<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><?xml-stylesheet href="https://feeds.captivate.fm/style.xsl" type="text/xsl"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0" xmlns:googleplay="http://www.google.com/schemas/play-podcasts/1.0" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" xmlns:podcast="https://podcastindex.org/namespace/1.0"><channel><atom:link href="https://feeds.captivate.fm/beyond-billables/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><title><![CDATA[Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners]]></title><podcast:guid>d24f10b3-cd66-5f3a-8e54-31adfecd1fae</podcast:guid><lastBuildDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 10:00:32 +0000</lastBuildDate><generator>Captivate.fm</generator><language><![CDATA[en]]></language><copyright><![CDATA[Copyright 2026 Stephen Rodney]]></copyright><managingEditor>Stephen Rodney</managingEditor><itunes:summary><![CDATA[The legal sector thrives on talent, but how do you ensure partner success, both generally and in relation to how new hires integrate and succeed? 

Hosted by Stephen Rodney, founder of IntoGreat Coaching, which provides tailor made integration programmes for laterals and, previously a veteran of partner legal recruitment. Beyond Billables is the essential podcast for law firm leaders and in house GCs. 

Stephen draws on both his recent coaching experience  and his previous recruitment life as a co-founder of a leading recruitment boutique (including being responsible for one of the UK's largest-ever team moves), to look at the essential elements necessary to produce both successful partners and also  other senior lawyers and to look at the critical challenge of effective senior lawyer integration. 

Join Stephen as he speaks with successful partners, other industry experts and legal innovators. Follow Beyond Billables to ensure you absorb the lessons told by the successful partners interviewed!]]></itunes:summary><image><url>https://artwork.captivate.fm/3dd77b3f-014a-42f5-9a06-e0e38726d91f/Intogreat-Coaching-Cover-Art-1.png</url><title>Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners</title><link><![CDATA[https://beyond-billables.captivate.fm]]></link></image><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/3dd77b3f-014a-42f5-9a06-e0e38726d91f/Intogreat-Coaching-Cover-Art-1.png"/><itunes:owner><itunes:name>Stephen Rodney</itunes:name></itunes:owner><itunes:author>Stephen Rodney</itunes:author><description>The legal sector thrives on talent, but how do you ensure partner success, both generally and in relation to how new hires integrate and succeed? 

Hosted by Stephen Rodney, founder of IntoGreat Coaching, which provides tailor made integration programmes for laterals and, previously a veteran of partner legal recruitment. Beyond Billables is the essential podcast for law firm leaders and in house GCs. 

Stephen draws on both his recent coaching experience  and his previous recruitment life as a co-founder of a leading recruitment boutique (including being responsible for one of the UK&apos;s largest-ever team moves), to look at the essential elements necessary to produce both successful partners and also  other senior lawyers and to look at the critical challenge of effective senior lawyer integration. 

Join Stephen as he speaks with successful partners, other industry experts and legal innovators. Follow Beyond Billables to ensure you absorb the lessons told by the successful partners interviewed!</description><link>https://beyond-billables.captivate.fm</link><atom:link href="https://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com" rel="hub"/><itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners]]></itunes:subtitle><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:type>episodic</itunes:type><itunes:category text="Business"></itunes:category><itunes:category text="Education"><itunes:category text="Courses"/></itunes:category><itunes:category text="TV &amp; Film"></itunes:category><podcast:locked>no</podcast:locked><podcast:medium>podcast</podcast:medium><item><title>Why Great Lawyers Still Lose Clients Without Commercial Thinking and Human Trust with Tom Cassels</title><itunes:title>Why Great Lawyers Still Lose Clients Without Commercial Thinking and Human Trust with Tom Cassels</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Beyond Billables, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> speaks with <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-cassels-8a0a538/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Tom Cassels</a></u>, Senior Partner at <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/linklaters/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Linklaters</a></u>, about how top litigators build and sustain successful careers. The conversation explores Tom’s unconventional path into law, the evolution of complex litigation, and how the profession is changing with funding models and AI. The episode also focuses on the human side of legal practice, including client relationships, leadership, and building strong teams.</p><p></p><p>Tom Cassels is a Senior Litigation partner at Linklaters, specialising in high stakes disputes, public law, and competition litigation. He began his career at Baker McKenzie, where he developed broad litigation experience before specialising through major cases such as the Camelot judicial review. Over time, he became known for handling complex, high profile matters and has worked with global clients across industries, including sports and international disputes.</p><p></p><h2><strong>Expect to Learn</strong></h2><ul><li>How strong client relationships shape successful legal outcomes</li><li>Why commercial thinking matters more than pure legal arguments</li><li>How litigation funding and class actions are changing the legal market</li><li>What makes a successful law firm partner beyond technical skills</li><li>How AI may increase the value of human judgement in law</li></ul><br/><p></p><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps</strong></p><ul><li>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li>[01:03] – Welcome to Beyond Billables &amp; Introduction of Tom Cassels</li><li>[05:14] – Running cases unsupervised, then moving to Australia</li><li>[09:40] – What makes a successful litigation partner</li><li>[15:19] – Young lawyers afraid to pick up the phone</li><li>[21:51] – AI and house‑buying analogy – trust in human judgment</li><li>[27:51] – Law firms getting better at management over time</li><li>[31:08] – Making sponsoring partners responsible for integration</li><li>[36:40] – War story: Lewis Hamilton’s Belgian GP appeal (2007)</li><li>[42:32] – Advice to younger self: less time in the bar</li><li>[48:37] – Three non‑negotiable behaviours: respect, honesty, enjoyment</li><li>[49:31] – Closing thanks and episode wrap‑up</li></ul><br/><p></p><p><strong>Connect with Tom Cassels:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-cassels-8a0a538/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-cassels-8a0a538/</a></u></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/linklaters/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/linklaters/</a></u></li><li>Company’s Website: <u><a href="https://www.linklaters.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linklaters.com/</a></u></li></ul><br/><p></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ul><br/><p></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ul><br/><p></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong></p><ul><li>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li>YouTube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></u></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Beyond Billables, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> speaks with <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-cassels-8a0a538/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Tom Cassels</a></u>, Senior Partner at <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/linklaters/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Linklaters</a></u>, about how top litigators build and sustain successful careers. The conversation explores Tom’s unconventional path into law, the evolution of complex litigation, and how the profession is changing with funding models and AI. The episode also focuses on the human side of legal practice, including client relationships, leadership, and building strong teams.</p><p></p><p>Tom Cassels is a Senior Litigation partner at Linklaters, specialising in high stakes disputes, public law, and competition litigation. He began his career at Baker McKenzie, where he developed broad litigation experience before specialising through major cases such as the Camelot judicial review. Over time, he became known for handling complex, high profile matters and has worked with global clients across industries, including sports and international disputes.</p><p></p><h2><strong>Expect to Learn</strong></h2><ul><li>How strong client relationships shape successful legal outcomes</li><li>Why commercial thinking matters more than pure legal arguments</li><li>How litigation funding and class actions are changing the legal market</li><li>What makes a successful law firm partner beyond technical skills</li><li>How AI may increase the value of human judgement in law</li></ul><br/><p></p><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps</strong></p><ul><li>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li>[01:03] – Welcome to Beyond Billables &amp; Introduction of Tom Cassels</li><li>[05:14] – Running cases unsupervised, then moving to Australia</li><li>[09:40] – What makes a successful litigation partner</li><li>[15:19] – Young lawyers afraid to pick up the phone</li><li>[21:51] – AI and house‑buying analogy – trust in human judgment</li><li>[27:51] – Law firms getting better at management over time</li><li>[31:08] – Making sponsoring partners responsible for integration</li><li>[36:40] – War story: Lewis Hamilton’s Belgian GP appeal (2007)</li><li>[42:32] – Advice to younger self: less time in the bar</li><li>[48:37] – Three non‑negotiable behaviours: respect, honesty, enjoyment</li><li>[49:31] – Closing thanks and episode wrap‑up</li></ul><br/><p></p><p><strong>Connect with Tom Cassels:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-cassels-8a0a538/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-cassels-8a0a538/</a></u></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/linklaters/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/linklaters/</a></u></li><li>Company’s Website: <u><a href="https://www.linklaters.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linklaters.com/</a></u></li></ul><br/><p></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ul><br/><p></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ul><br/><p></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong></p><ul><li>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li>YouTube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></u></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://beyond-billables.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">b3cdf30b-8c05-4c2d-b8dd-2e846817dd47</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/be2de02e-7adb-4d4e-beb6-3f24914a7678/RSS-Beyond-Billables.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 11:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/b3cdf30b-8c05-4c2d-b8dd-2e846817dd47.mp3" length="72111951" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>49:41</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>How Being a Law Firm Partner Is Harder Than Ever Beyond Billing and Skills with Paul Thwaite</title><itunes:title>How Being a Law Firm Partner Is Harder Than Ever Beyond Billing and Skills with Paul Thwaite</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> sits down with <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-thwaite-b25b3135/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Paul Thwaite</a></u>, Senior Partner at <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/stephenson-harwood-llp/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephenson Harwood LLP</a></u>. The conversation explores Paul’s journey from a non-academic background into law, his long career at a single firm, and his transition into leadership. They discuss what makes a successful law firm partner today, how the role has changed over time, and the growing complexity of legal practice. The episode also covers leadership challenges, lateral hiring success, firm culture, and the future impact of AI and private equity on the legal industry.</p><p></p><p>Paul Thwaite is the Senior Partner of Stephenson Harwood LLP, an international law firm with offices across Europe, the Middle East, and Asia. He joined the firm in 1992, became a partner in 2002, and built his career as a construction disputes lawyer. Over time, he moved into leadership roles, including co-leading the litigation group before being elected Senior Partner. Paul combines active legal practice with firm leadership and brings deep insight into law firm management, culture, and long-term career development.</p><p></p><h3><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></h3><ul><li>How the role of a law firm partner has evolved and become more complex</li><li>Why culture and personality are key to lateral hiring success</li><li>The difference between being a partner, a manager, and a firm leader</li><li>How law firms measure partner performance beyond just billing</li><li>The impact of AI and changing client expectations on legal work</li></ul><br/><p></p><h3><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></h3><ul><li>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li>[01:08] – Welcome to Beyond Billables &amp; Introduction of Paul Thwaite</li><li>[05:16] – Never left the firm; became partner in 2002</li><li>[11:18] – What makes a successful partner beyond billing</li><li>[17:57] – Transition from client partner to group leader – different skill set</li><li>[23:36] – Transition to senior partner (non‑executive role)</li><li>[31:17] – Metrics: FCI (financial contribution) and wider contribution</li><li>[38:30] – Best moments: winning pitches, seeing juniors become partners</li><li>[46:33] – Advice to younger self: take more time off, protect mental health</li><li>[51:30] – Private equity: independence and culture are paramount</li><li>[56:37] – Golden rule: enjoy it – otherwise do something else</li><li>[57:12] – Closing thanks and episode wrap‑up</li></ul><br/><p></p><p><strong>Connect with Paul Thwaite:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-thwaite-b25b3135/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-thwaite-b25b3135/</a></u></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/stephenson-harwood-llp/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/stephenson-harwood-llp/</a></u></li><li>Company’s Website: <u><a href="https://www.stephensonharwood.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.stephensonharwood.com/</a></u></li></ul><br/><p></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ul><br/><p></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ul><br/><p></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong></p><ul><li>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></u></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> sits down with <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-thwaite-b25b3135/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Paul Thwaite</a></u>, Senior Partner at <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/stephenson-harwood-llp/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephenson Harwood LLP</a></u>. The conversation explores Paul’s journey from a non-academic background into law, his long career at a single firm, and his transition into leadership. They discuss what makes a successful law firm partner today, how the role has changed over time, and the growing complexity of legal practice. The episode also covers leadership challenges, lateral hiring success, firm culture, and the future impact of AI and private equity on the legal industry.</p><p></p><p>Paul Thwaite is the Senior Partner of Stephenson Harwood LLP, an international law firm with offices across Europe, the Middle East, and Asia. He joined the firm in 1992, became a partner in 2002, and built his career as a construction disputes lawyer. Over time, he moved into leadership roles, including co-leading the litigation group before being elected Senior Partner. Paul combines active legal practice with firm leadership and brings deep insight into law firm management, culture, and long-term career development.</p><p></p><h3><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></h3><ul><li>How the role of a law firm partner has evolved and become more complex</li><li>Why culture and personality are key to lateral hiring success</li><li>The difference between being a partner, a manager, and a firm leader</li><li>How law firms measure partner performance beyond just billing</li><li>The impact of AI and changing client expectations on legal work</li></ul><br/><p></p><h3><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></h3><ul><li>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li>[01:08] – Welcome to Beyond Billables &amp; Introduction of Paul Thwaite</li><li>[05:16] – Never left the firm; became partner in 2002</li><li>[11:18] – What makes a successful partner beyond billing</li><li>[17:57] – Transition from client partner to group leader – different skill set</li><li>[23:36] – Transition to senior partner (non‑executive role)</li><li>[31:17] – Metrics: FCI (financial contribution) and wider contribution</li><li>[38:30] – Best moments: winning pitches, seeing juniors become partners</li><li>[46:33] – Advice to younger self: take more time off, protect mental health</li><li>[51:30] – Private equity: independence and culture are paramount</li><li>[56:37] – Golden rule: enjoy it – otherwise do something else</li><li>[57:12] – Closing thanks and episode wrap‑up</li></ul><br/><p></p><p><strong>Connect with Paul Thwaite:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-thwaite-b25b3135/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-thwaite-b25b3135/</a></u></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/stephenson-harwood-llp/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/stephenson-harwood-llp/</a></u></li><li>Company’s Website: <u><a href="https://www.stephensonharwood.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.stephensonharwood.com/</a></u></li></ul><br/><p></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ul><br/><p></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ul><br/><p></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong></p><ul><li>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></u></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://beyond-billables.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">f5584fae-06ab-49e4-904e-fe4847c944e9</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/3ba5ad6e-3477-4a0d-ad54-41d7674b64e7/RSS-Beyond-Billables.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2026 11:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/f5584fae-06ab-49e4-904e-fe4847c944e9.mp3" length="83615892" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>57:42</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>He Left Broken Law Firms to Build a 600-Lawyer, Freedom-Based Practice with Darryl Cooke</title><itunes:title>He Left Broken Law Firms to Build a 600-Lawyer, Freedom-Based Practice with Darryl Cooke</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> interviews <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/darryljcooke/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Darryl Cooke</a></u>, Founder and Executive Chair of <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/gunnercooke-llp/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">gunnercooke</a></u>, a next-generation law firm that has grown to 16 offices across the US, Austria, Germany, Scotland, and England. Darryl shares his unconventional journey into law and how frustration with traditional law firm leadership pushed him to build a more flexible, entrepreneurial model that empowers lawyers to run their own practices while still collaborating within a shared firm structure.</p><p>Darryl Cooke also discusses gunnercooke’s rapid growth to more than 600 professionals worldwide and how the firm blends autonomy with collaboration. He shares his views on leadership development, coaching, and the growing impact of AI on legal services, reflecting on how the profession can evolve while staying focused on client relationships and meaningful work.</p><p></p><p><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></p><ul><li>The inspiration behind starting gunnercooke and how it differs from traditional law firms.</li><li>Why creating a positive and empowering work culture is crucial to success in a law firm.</li><li>How AI is shaping the future of the legal profession, and the challenges it brings.</li><li>The importance of building relationships as a key to being a successful partner.</li><li>The value of coaching for lawyers and how it contributes to their long-term success.</li></ul><br/><p></p><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></p><ul><li>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li>[01:15] – Welcome &amp; Introduction to Beyond Billables with Darryl Cooke</li><li>[09:44] – From Industry to Private Practice: Discovering Business and Private Equity</li><li>[13:03] – The Frustration That Built gunnercooke: Why Law Firms Are Badly Run</li><li>[18:48] – A Father's Final Push: The Trigger to Start Something New</li><li>[20:20] – Designing the Model: Freedom, Control, and the One Thing That's Different</li><li>[28:56] – Lateral Hiring at gunnercooke: The VTO and Coaching Before Day One</li><li>[33:47] – The Data on Coaching: Twice as Successful</li><li>[37:05] – Innovation as a Value: Why Law Firms Are Afraid of Change</li><li>[40:14] – AI at gunnercooke: Pricing, the "Co-Effect," and Developing Junior Lawyers</li><li>[48:54] – Giving Back: The Bookshops and the Fight Against Social Isolation</li><li>[52:21] – Advice to His Younger Self: Fail Quicker and Stay Positive</li><li>[54:10] – One Golden Rule: Build Relationships</li><li>[55:16] – Closing Remarks</li></ul><br/><p></p><p><strong>Connect with Darryl Cooke:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/darryljcooke/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/darryljcooke/</a></u></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/gunnercooke-llp/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/gunnercooke-llp/</a></u></li><li>Company’s Website: <u><a href="https://gunnercooke.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://gunnercooke.com/</a></u></li></ul><br/><p></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ul><br/><p></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ul><br/><p></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong></p><ul><li>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></u></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> interviews <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/darryljcooke/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Darryl Cooke</a></u>, Founder and Executive Chair of <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/gunnercooke-llp/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">gunnercooke</a></u>, a next-generation law firm that has grown to 16 offices across the US, Austria, Germany, Scotland, and England. Darryl shares his unconventional journey into law and how frustration with traditional law firm leadership pushed him to build a more flexible, entrepreneurial model that empowers lawyers to run their own practices while still collaborating within a shared firm structure.</p><p>Darryl Cooke also discusses gunnercooke’s rapid growth to more than 600 professionals worldwide and how the firm blends autonomy with collaboration. He shares his views on leadership development, coaching, and the growing impact of AI on legal services, reflecting on how the profession can evolve while staying focused on client relationships and meaningful work.</p><p></p><p><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></p><ul><li>The inspiration behind starting gunnercooke and how it differs from traditional law firms.</li><li>Why creating a positive and empowering work culture is crucial to success in a law firm.</li><li>How AI is shaping the future of the legal profession, and the challenges it brings.</li><li>The importance of building relationships as a key to being a successful partner.</li><li>The value of coaching for lawyers and how it contributes to their long-term success.</li></ul><br/><p></p><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></p><ul><li>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li>[01:15] – Welcome &amp; Introduction to Beyond Billables with Darryl Cooke</li><li>[09:44] – From Industry to Private Practice: Discovering Business and Private Equity</li><li>[13:03] – The Frustration That Built gunnercooke: Why Law Firms Are Badly Run</li><li>[18:48] – A Father's Final Push: The Trigger to Start Something New</li><li>[20:20] – Designing the Model: Freedom, Control, and the One Thing That's Different</li><li>[28:56] – Lateral Hiring at gunnercooke: The VTO and Coaching Before Day One</li><li>[33:47] – The Data on Coaching: Twice as Successful</li><li>[37:05] – Innovation as a Value: Why Law Firms Are Afraid of Change</li><li>[40:14] – AI at gunnercooke: Pricing, the "Co-Effect," and Developing Junior Lawyers</li><li>[48:54] – Giving Back: The Bookshops and the Fight Against Social Isolation</li><li>[52:21] – Advice to His Younger Self: Fail Quicker and Stay Positive</li><li>[54:10] – One Golden Rule: Build Relationships</li><li>[55:16] – Closing Remarks</li></ul><br/><p></p><p><strong>Connect with Darryl Cooke:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/darryljcooke/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/darryljcooke/</a></u></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/gunnercooke-llp/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/gunnercooke-llp/</a></u></li><li>Company’s Website: <u><a href="https://gunnercooke.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://gunnercooke.com/</a></u></li></ul><br/><p></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ul><br/><p></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ul><br/><p></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong></p><ul><li>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></u></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://beyond-billables.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">a03f5724-05a7-47a4-8d4d-4aa5bb65a583</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/4531c906-cff4-40f6-bb19-3b7e69836bab/RSS-Beyond-Billables-2.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2026 11:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/a03f5724-05a7-47a4-8d4d-4aa5bb65a583.mp3" length="80135832" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>55:27</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>US Law Firm Growth for Senior Lawyers to Lead the London Private Equity Market with Mike Francies</title><itunes:title>US Law Firm Growth for Senior Lawyers to Lead the London Private Equity Market with Mike Francies</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners</em>, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> speaks with <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mike-francies-7bb6b64/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mike Francies</a></u> about a remarkable legal career built across some of the world’s leading firms. From serving as Managing Partner at Weil, Gotshal &amp; Manges LLP for over two decades, to now being a Partner at <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/sullivanandcromwell/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sullivan &amp; Cromwell LLP</a></u>, Mike reflects on leadership, private equity growth, and the evolution of global law firms. The conversation explores what it takes to build a top tier practice, lead through change, and stay relevant across different phases of a long career.</p><p>Mike has worked on some of the largest private equity transactions in Europe, mentored generations of lawyers, and served in senior leadership roles. He is also Chair of the Board of Trustees at <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/power2org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Power2</a></u>, reflecting his strong commitment to social mobility and mentoring beyond the legal profession.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Expect to Learn</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How private equity law evolved from a niche practice to a dominant force in the legal market</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why judgement and client relationships matter more than technical brilliance alone</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>What makes lateral hires succeed or fail in major law firms</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The realities of leading a London office of a global US firm</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How AI is reshaping private equity law and the future of associate development</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><h2>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps</h2><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:38] – Welcome &amp; Introduction to Beyond Billables with Mike Francies</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[04:37] – The Leap to Weil: Building a US Firm's London PE Practice</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[12:37] – The Lateral Myth: Origination vs. Firm Clients</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[18:09] – What Makes a Successful Partner? Hard Work, Judgement, and Playing Nice</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[24:37] – Light-Touch Leadership: Managing Without a Capital</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[30:05] – Measuring Success: The Holistic View Beyond Billables</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[35:18] – AI in Private Equity: Efficiency, Clients, and the Future of Judgement</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[43:11] – Highs and Lows: The FT Front Page Story</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[49:46] – Advice to His Younger Self: Be Less Intense</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[52:44] – One Golden Rule: Treat People as You Want to Be Treated</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[53:33] – Closing Remarks</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Mike Francies:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mike-francies-7bb6b64/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/mike-francies-7bb6b64/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Sullivan &amp; Cromwell LLP LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/sullivanandcromwell/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/sullivanandcromwell/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Sullivan &amp; Cromwell LLP Website: <u><a href="https://www.sullcrom.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.sullcrom.com/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Power2 LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/power2org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/power2org/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Power2 Website: <u><a href="https://www.power2.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.power2.org/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong> </p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></u></li></ol><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners</em>, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> speaks with <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mike-francies-7bb6b64/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mike Francies</a></u> about a remarkable legal career built across some of the world’s leading firms. From serving as Managing Partner at Weil, Gotshal &amp; Manges LLP for over two decades, to now being a Partner at <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/sullivanandcromwell/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sullivan &amp; Cromwell LLP</a></u>, Mike reflects on leadership, private equity growth, and the evolution of global law firms. The conversation explores what it takes to build a top tier practice, lead through change, and stay relevant across different phases of a long career.</p><p>Mike has worked on some of the largest private equity transactions in Europe, mentored generations of lawyers, and served in senior leadership roles. He is also Chair of the Board of Trustees at <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/power2org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Power2</a></u>, reflecting his strong commitment to social mobility and mentoring beyond the legal profession.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Expect to Learn</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How private equity law evolved from a niche practice to a dominant force in the legal market</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why judgement and client relationships matter more than technical brilliance alone</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>What makes lateral hires succeed or fail in major law firms</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The realities of leading a London office of a global US firm</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How AI is reshaping private equity law and the future of associate development</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><h2>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps</h2><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:38] – Welcome &amp; Introduction to Beyond Billables with Mike Francies</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[04:37] – The Leap to Weil: Building a US Firm's London PE Practice</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[12:37] – The Lateral Myth: Origination vs. Firm Clients</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[18:09] – What Makes a Successful Partner? Hard Work, Judgement, and Playing Nice</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[24:37] – Light-Touch Leadership: Managing Without a Capital</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[30:05] – Measuring Success: The Holistic View Beyond Billables</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[35:18] – AI in Private Equity: Efficiency, Clients, and the Future of Judgement</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[43:11] – Highs and Lows: The FT Front Page Story</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[49:46] – Advice to His Younger Self: Be Less Intense</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[52:44] – One Golden Rule: Treat People as You Want to Be Treated</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[53:33] – Closing Remarks</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Mike Francies:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mike-francies-7bb6b64/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/mike-francies-7bb6b64/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Sullivan &amp; Cromwell LLP LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/sullivanandcromwell/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/sullivanandcromwell/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Sullivan &amp; Cromwell LLP Website: <u><a href="https://www.sullcrom.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.sullcrom.com/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Power2 LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/power2org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/power2org/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Power2 Website: <u><a href="https://www.power2.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.power2.org/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong> </p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></u></li></ol><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://beyond-billables.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">79928939-cd66-4b24-876d-3993e1b4c7ea</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/9ca1e4cb-7057-40c7-9148-f9e2d1f0f993/RSS-Beyond-Billables-2.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2026 10:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/79928939-cd66-4b24-876d-3993e1b4c7ea.mp3" length="78006722" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>53:54</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>What Makes Law Firm Partners Fail for Legal Executives to Master Ownership with Richard Medd</title><itunes:title>What Makes Law Firm Partners Fail for Legal Executives to Master Ownership with Richard Medd</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Beyond Billables</em>, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> speaks with <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-medd-managing-partner/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Richard Medd</a></u>, Managing Partner at <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/brownej/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Browne Jacobson LLP</a></u>, a leading UK law firm. Richard shares his journey from a corporate lawyer to managing partner, highlighting the firm’s growth and transformation over the years. He discusses leadership, the importance of ownership, and how to foster a one-firm culture as the firm expands. The conversation also covers the challenges and opportunities of recruiting laterals and the role of AI and external investments in shaping the future of law firms.</p><p>Richard Medd has been with Browne Jacobson LLP for his entire career, starting as a trainee and working his way up to managing partner. Under his leadership, the firm has expanded to seven offices across the UK and Ireland, reflecting its national and international growth. Richard shares valuable insights into what makes a successful partner, how leadership differs from management, and how the firm's commitment to values and ownership drives its success.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How ownership and accountability shape successful law firm partners.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The significance of aligning individual success with the firm's overall strategy.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Insights into integrating laterals and maintaining a unified company culture.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The impact of AI and external investment on the future of law firms.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why leadership and management skills are crucial for law firm success.</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:56] – Welcome &amp; Introduction to Beyond Billables with Richard Medd</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[03:54] – 26 Years at Browne Jacobson LLP: From Trainee to Managing Partner</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[09:34] – One Firm Approach: Partnership Over Individualism</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[14:54] – Transitioning to Leadership: From Corporate Partner to Managing Partner</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[18:25] – Starting as Managing Partner During COVID: A Crisis Forged in Fire</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[22:09] – Lateral Hiring: Art Over Science, Values, and Human Fit</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[30:46] – Best Moments: Client Emotions, People, and the Annual Tour</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[37:33] – Advice to His Younger Self: Listen More, Talk Less, and Don't Wait to Be Ready</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[43:49] – The Future: AI, Private Equity, and Forcing Strategic Conversations</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[52:00] – One Golden Rule: Own It Together</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[52:38] – Closing Remarks</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Richard Medd:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-medd-managing-partner/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-medd-managing-partner/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/brownej/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/brownej/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website: <u><a href="https://www.brownejacobson.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.brownejacobson.com/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong> </p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></u></li></ol><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Beyond Billables</em>, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> speaks with <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-medd-managing-partner/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Richard Medd</a></u>, Managing Partner at <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/brownej/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Browne Jacobson LLP</a></u>, a leading UK law firm. Richard shares his journey from a corporate lawyer to managing partner, highlighting the firm’s growth and transformation over the years. He discusses leadership, the importance of ownership, and how to foster a one-firm culture as the firm expands. The conversation also covers the challenges and opportunities of recruiting laterals and the role of AI and external investments in shaping the future of law firms.</p><p>Richard Medd has been with Browne Jacobson LLP for his entire career, starting as a trainee and working his way up to managing partner. Under his leadership, the firm has expanded to seven offices across the UK and Ireland, reflecting its national and international growth. Richard shares valuable insights into what makes a successful partner, how leadership differs from management, and how the firm's commitment to values and ownership drives its success.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How ownership and accountability shape successful law firm partners.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The significance of aligning individual success with the firm's overall strategy.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Insights into integrating laterals and maintaining a unified company culture.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The impact of AI and external investment on the future of law firms.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why leadership and management skills are crucial for law firm success.</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:56] – Welcome &amp; Introduction to Beyond Billables with Richard Medd</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[03:54] – 26 Years at Browne Jacobson LLP: From Trainee to Managing Partner</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[09:34] – One Firm Approach: Partnership Over Individualism</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[14:54] – Transitioning to Leadership: From Corporate Partner to Managing Partner</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[18:25] – Starting as Managing Partner During COVID: A Crisis Forged in Fire</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[22:09] – Lateral Hiring: Art Over Science, Values, and Human Fit</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[30:46] – Best Moments: Client Emotions, People, and the Annual Tour</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[37:33] – Advice to His Younger Self: Listen More, Talk Less, and Don't Wait to Be Ready</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[43:49] – The Future: AI, Private Equity, and Forcing Strategic Conversations</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[52:00] – One Golden Rule: Own It Together</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[52:38] – Closing Remarks</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Richard Medd:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-medd-managing-partner/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-medd-managing-partner/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/brownej/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/brownej/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website: <u><a href="https://www.brownejacobson.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.brownejacobson.com/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong> </p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></u></li></ol><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://beyond-billables.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">9c254904-2640-4d86-b4c8-b1defcd5fd19</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/b0ee5b4a-5a02-4c08-bb9a-da3b1d182b3d/RSS-Beyond-Billables-1.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2026 11:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/9c254904-2640-4d86-b4c8-b1defcd5fd19.mp3" length="76375135" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>52:49</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Becoming a Great Law Firm Partner for Lawyers to Succeed with Emotional Intelligence, Kirsten Hewson</title><itunes:title>Becoming a Great Law Firm Partner for Lawyers to Succeed with Emotional Intelligence, Kirsten Hewson</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners</em>, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> sits down with <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kirsten-hewson-84872514/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kirsten Hewson</a></u>, Chair of <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/shoosmiths/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Shoosmiths</a></u>, the UK-founded full-service law firm with a growing international reach. Kirsten shares her journey from training at a local authority to becoming a planning specialist, partner, divisional leader, and now Chair of the firm.</p><p>Kirsten began her career in local government before moving into private practice, joining Shoosmiths as an associate around seven years qualified. Over time, she led the planning team, ran the real estate division, served on the elected partnership council, and was ultimately elected Chair. She is passionate about the built environment, long-term thinking, and helping partners and people across the firm grow and succeed.</p><h3><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></h3><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why technical excellence alone is not enough to become a successful law firm partner.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The difference between management and leadership in a modern partnership.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How transparency, communication, and resilience shape a strong firm culture.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Shoosmiths approach to AI, innovation, and preparing lawyers for the future.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>What makes lateral hires succeed, and how to measure return on investment.</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><h3><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></h3><p>[00:00] – Teaser</p><p>[01:12] – Welcome &amp; Introduction to Beyond Billables with Kirsten Hewson</p><p>[11:53] – What Makes a Successful Partner? Technical Skill Plus Emotional Intelligence</p><p>[15:54] – Transparency and Resilience: Leading Through Tough Markets</p><p>[20:38] – Private Equity: Informed, Not an Early Adopter</p><p>[31:22] – Lateral Hiring: The Concierge, the 100-Day Plan, and Measuring ROI</p><p>[40:41] – Integration: Who Owns It and How to Make It Seamless</p><p>[49:20] – Regrets: Believing in Herself Sooner and Keeping in Touch</p><p>[54:28] – One Golden Rule: Embrace Change with Positivity</p><p>[55:08] – Closing Remarks</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Kirsten Hewson:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kirsten-hewson-84872514/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/kirsten-hewson-84872514/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/shoosmiths/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/shoosmiths/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website: <u><a href="https://www.shoosmiths.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.shoosmiths.com/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></u></li></ol><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners</em>, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> sits down with <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kirsten-hewson-84872514/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kirsten Hewson</a></u>, Chair of <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/shoosmiths/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Shoosmiths</a></u>, the UK-founded full-service law firm with a growing international reach. Kirsten shares her journey from training at a local authority to becoming a planning specialist, partner, divisional leader, and now Chair of the firm.</p><p>Kirsten began her career in local government before moving into private practice, joining Shoosmiths as an associate around seven years qualified. Over time, she led the planning team, ran the real estate division, served on the elected partnership council, and was ultimately elected Chair. She is passionate about the built environment, long-term thinking, and helping partners and people across the firm grow and succeed.</p><h3><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></h3><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why technical excellence alone is not enough to become a successful law firm partner.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The difference between management and leadership in a modern partnership.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How transparency, communication, and resilience shape a strong firm culture.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Shoosmiths approach to AI, innovation, and preparing lawyers for the future.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>What makes lateral hires succeed, and how to measure return on investment.</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><h3><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></h3><p>[00:00] – Teaser</p><p>[01:12] – Welcome &amp; Introduction to Beyond Billables with Kirsten Hewson</p><p>[11:53] – What Makes a Successful Partner? Technical Skill Plus Emotional Intelligence</p><p>[15:54] – Transparency and Resilience: Leading Through Tough Markets</p><p>[20:38] – Private Equity: Informed, Not an Early Adopter</p><p>[31:22] – Lateral Hiring: The Concierge, the 100-Day Plan, and Measuring ROI</p><p>[40:41] – Integration: Who Owns It and How to Make It Seamless</p><p>[49:20] – Regrets: Believing in Herself Sooner and Keeping in Touch</p><p>[54:28] – One Golden Rule: Embrace Change with Positivity</p><p>[55:08] – Closing Remarks</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Kirsten Hewson:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kirsten-hewson-84872514/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/kirsten-hewson-84872514/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/shoosmiths/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/shoosmiths/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website: <u><a href="https://www.shoosmiths.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.shoosmiths.com/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></u></li></ol><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://beyond-billables.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">80d31720-7afe-4427-91a1-d5394f55352d</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/43a473f0-9f11-44e7-a4d4-8017dc8070f2/RSS-Beyond-Billables-1.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2026 10:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/80d31720-7afe-4427-91a1-d5394f55352d.mp3" length="80530585" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>55:15</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>The Best Law Firm Partners Succeed in the Age of AI and PE Pressure with Aster Crawshaw</title><itunes:title>The Best Law Firm Partners Succeed in the Age of AI and PE Pressure with Aster Crawshaw</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners</em>, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> speaks with <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/aster-crawshaw-92520024/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Aster Crawshaw</a></u>, Senior Partner of <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/addleshaw-goddard/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Addleshaw Goddard</a></u>. Aster shares his journey from studying history at university to leading a major international law firm with 21 offices across 16 jurisdictions. He reflects on his early career in private practice and in-house at EY, his path into partnership, and the experience of standing in a contested senior partner election.</p><p>He specialises in advising professional services firms on mergers, structuring and strategic transactions. Having worked both in private practice and in-house at EY Global, he brings a unique perspective on client relationships, governance, and law firm leadership. He was elected Senior Partner following a contested election process and now focuses on governance, culture, and deepening client relationships across the firm.</p><h3><br></h3><h3><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></h3><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The three foundations of a successful partner: technical excellence, strong advisory skills, and leadership within the firm.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why understanding a client’s business and audience is just as important as knowing the law.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>What really drives successful lateral integration and why collaboration matters more than the original business case.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How AI and legal technology may reshape the relationship between in-house teams and external counsel.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The strategic considerations behind private equity investment in law firms and why capital alone is not a strategy.</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:00:00] – Teaser</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:01:06] – Welcome &amp; Introduction to Beyond Billables with Aster Crawshaw</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:05:25] – The Path to Senior Partner: A Contested Election and a Fork in the Road</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:15:41] – What Makes a Successful Partner? Technical Excellence, Advisory Skills, and Leadership</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:23:03] – Transitioning to Leadership: From Project Management to People and Influence</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:27:33] – Lateral Hiring: Measuring Success Beyond the Business Case</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:32:46] – A Cautionary Tale: The Risk of Arriving with Too Much Work</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:36:50] – The Future of Law Firms: AI, In-House Relationships, and Changing Demand</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:42:43] – Funding the Future: Can Firms Afford the Tech Revolution Without PE?</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:47:34] – Private Equity: Strategy First, Funding Second</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:52:27] – Mentors Who Shaped His Career</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:56:47] – Best Moments: Partnership and the Pannone Deal</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[01:01:44] – One Golden Rule: Rely on the People Around You</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Aster Crawshaw:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/aster-crawshaw-92520024/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/aster-crawshaw-92520024/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/addleshaw-goddard/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/addleshaw-goddard/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website: <u><a href="https://www.addleshawgoddard.com/en/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.addleshawgoddard.com/en/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong> </p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>YouTube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></u></li></ol><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners</em>, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> speaks with <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/aster-crawshaw-92520024/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Aster Crawshaw</a></u>, Senior Partner of <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/addleshaw-goddard/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Addleshaw Goddard</a></u>. Aster shares his journey from studying history at university to leading a major international law firm with 21 offices across 16 jurisdictions. He reflects on his early career in private practice and in-house at EY, his path into partnership, and the experience of standing in a contested senior partner election.</p><p>He specialises in advising professional services firms on mergers, structuring and strategic transactions. Having worked both in private practice and in-house at EY Global, he brings a unique perspective on client relationships, governance, and law firm leadership. He was elected Senior Partner following a contested election process and now focuses on governance, culture, and deepening client relationships across the firm.</p><h3><br></h3><h3><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></h3><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The three foundations of a successful partner: technical excellence, strong advisory skills, and leadership within the firm.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why understanding a client’s business and audience is just as important as knowing the law.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>What really drives successful lateral integration and why collaboration matters more than the original business case.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How AI and legal technology may reshape the relationship between in-house teams and external counsel.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The strategic considerations behind private equity investment in law firms and why capital alone is not a strategy.</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:00:00] – Teaser</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:01:06] – Welcome &amp; Introduction to Beyond Billables with Aster Crawshaw</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:05:25] – The Path to Senior Partner: A Contested Election and a Fork in the Road</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:15:41] – What Makes a Successful Partner? Technical Excellence, Advisory Skills, and Leadership</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:23:03] – Transitioning to Leadership: From Project Management to People and Influence</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:27:33] – Lateral Hiring: Measuring Success Beyond the Business Case</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:32:46] – A Cautionary Tale: The Risk of Arriving with Too Much Work</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:36:50] – The Future of Law Firms: AI, In-House Relationships, and Changing Demand</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:42:43] – Funding the Future: Can Firms Afford the Tech Revolution Without PE?</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:47:34] – Private Equity: Strategy First, Funding Second</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:52:27] – Mentors Who Shaped His Career</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:56:47] – Best Moments: Partnership and the Pannone Deal</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[01:01:44] – One Golden Rule: Rely on the People Around You</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Aster Crawshaw:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/aster-crawshaw-92520024/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/aster-crawshaw-92520024/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/addleshaw-goddard/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/addleshaw-goddard/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website: <u><a href="https://www.addleshawgoddard.com/en/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.addleshawgoddard.com/en/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong> </p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>YouTube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></u></li></ol><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://beyond-billables.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">497fd455-651a-4213-ae86-4fbd8af71893</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/67bb65b0-7c8e-418c-8756-a248042b3017/RSS-Beyond-Billables-6.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2026 10:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/497fd455-651a-4213-ae86-4fbd8af71893.mp3" length="91027795" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:02:55</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>What Makes a Great GC for Legal Leaders to Succeed Through Authentic Leadership with Dr Sandie Okoro</title><itunes:title>What Makes a Great GC for Legal Leaders to Succeed Through Authentic Leadership with Dr Sandie Okoro</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners</em>, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> speaks to <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-sandie-okoro-obe-9683884/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Dr. Sandie Okoro OBE</a></u>, Chancellor of the <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/school/university-of-birmingham/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">University of Birmingham</a></u> and previously Group General Counsel of Standard Chartered and also Senior Vice President and General Counsel of the World Bank. Dr. Sandie shares her inspiring journey from law student to a leading figure in international finance and her commitment to diversity, inclusion, and mentoring. They discuss leadership, career progression, and the importance of authenticity in becoming a successful leader.</p><p>Dr. Sandie Okoro has had an exceptional career as a lawyer and leader in both the private and public sectors. With a passion for mentoring, Dr. Sandie also became the first female Chancellor of the University of Birmingham. Her work has made a significant impact in championing diversity and inclusion, particularly in the global finance and legal sectors. In this episode, she shares her career insights and how leadership is about more than just technical expertise.</p><p><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The key qualities of successful leadership: authenticity, vulnerability, kindness, and vision for the future.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How Dr. Sandie Okoro’s journey to the World Bank and Standard Chartered reshaped her understanding of leadership and legal roles.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Her advice on integrating into new roles and organisations, focusing on listening, understanding culture, and managing relationships.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Dr. Sandie Okoro's impact on diversity, equity, and inclusion, from championing women’s rights to advocating for anti-racism initiatives at the World Bank.</li></ol><br/><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[01:16] – Welcome &amp; Introduction to Beyond Billables with Dr. Sandie Okoro OBE</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[06:15] – Leaving Standard Chartered: Health, Reflection, and the Call from Birmingham</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[14:14] – What Makes a Successful GC? Leadership Over Technical Skills</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[19:58] – Leading Through COVID: Crisis, Speed, and Who Runs Toward the Fire</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[22:57] – Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion: A Lifelong Commitment</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[28:51] – The Gap Between Rhetoric and Reality: Listening to Staff of Colour</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[33:38] – Defining Great Leadership: Lessons from Mark Smith and Jim Kim</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[38:19] – Mentors Who Shaped Her: Mark Roig, Ken Olisa, and Aiming for the Impossible</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[42:45] – The Future of Leadership: AI, Human Skills, and the Art of Diplomacy</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[50:45] – Lateral Integration: The Critical First Weeks and Listening vs. Judging</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[58:04] – The Golden Rule: 90% of What We Worry About Never Happens</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[59:28] – Closing Remarks</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Dr. Sandie Okoro OBE:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-sandie-okoro-obe-9683884/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-sandie-okoro-obe-9683884/</a> </u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Tiktok: <u><a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@dr.sandieokoro" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.tiktok.com/@dr.sandieokoro</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>University LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/school/university-of-birmingham/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/school/university-of-birmingham/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>University Website: <u><a href="https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></u></li></ol><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners</em>, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> speaks to <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-sandie-okoro-obe-9683884/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Dr. Sandie Okoro OBE</a></u>, Chancellor of the <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/school/university-of-birmingham/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">University of Birmingham</a></u> and previously Group General Counsel of Standard Chartered and also Senior Vice President and General Counsel of the World Bank. Dr. Sandie shares her inspiring journey from law student to a leading figure in international finance and her commitment to diversity, inclusion, and mentoring. They discuss leadership, career progression, and the importance of authenticity in becoming a successful leader.</p><p>Dr. Sandie Okoro has had an exceptional career as a lawyer and leader in both the private and public sectors. With a passion for mentoring, Dr. Sandie also became the first female Chancellor of the University of Birmingham. Her work has made a significant impact in championing diversity and inclusion, particularly in the global finance and legal sectors. In this episode, she shares her career insights and how leadership is about more than just technical expertise.</p><p><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The key qualities of successful leadership: authenticity, vulnerability, kindness, and vision for the future.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How Dr. Sandie Okoro’s journey to the World Bank and Standard Chartered reshaped her understanding of leadership and legal roles.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Her advice on integrating into new roles and organisations, focusing on listening, understanding culture, and managing relationships.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Dr. Sandie Okoro's impact on diversity, equity, and inclusion, from championing women’s rights to advocating for anti-racism initiatives at the World Bank.</li></ol><br/><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[01:16] – Welcome &amp; Introduction to Beyond Billables with Dr. Sandie Okoro OBE</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[06:15] – Leaving Standard Chartered: Health, Reflection, and the Call from Birmingham</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[14:14] – What Makes a Successful GC? Leadership Over Technical Skills</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[19:58] – Leading Through COVID: Crisis, Speed, and Who Runs Toward the Fire</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[22:57] – Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion: A Lifelong Commitment</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[28:51] – The Gap Between Rhetoric and Reality: Listening to Staff of Colour</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[33:38] – Defining Great Leadership: Lessons from Mark Smith and Jim Kim</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[38:19] – Mentors Who Shaped Her: Mark Roig, Ken Olisa, and Aiming for the Impossible</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[42:45] – The Future of Leadership: AI, Human Skills, and the Art of Diplomacy</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[50:45] – Lateral Integration: The Critical First Weeks and Listening vs. Judging</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[58:04] – The Golden Rule: 90% of What We Worry About Never Happens</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[59:28] – Closing Remarks</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Dr. Sandie Okoro OBE:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-sandie-okoro-obe-9683884/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-sandie-okoro-obe-9683884/</a> </u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Tiktok: <u><a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@dr.sandieokoro" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.tiktok.com/@dr.sandieokoro</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>University LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/school/university-of-birmingham/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/school/university-of-birmingham/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>University Website: <u><a href="https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></u></li></ol><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://beyond-billables.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">62e13d10-8eb4-4a12-b8ee-9126cf1348f1</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/4b368451-ae8c-47a1-a13c-c22a9eb3b0a7/RSS-Beyond-Billables-4.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2026 10:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/62e13d10-8eb4-4a12-b8ee-9126cf1348f1.mp3" length="85960879" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>59:42</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>How General Counsels Can Build Resilient Legal Teams and Navigate Crises with Emma Slatter</title><itunes:title>How General Counsels Can Build Resilient Legal Teams and Navigate Crises with Emma Slatter</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners</em>, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> sits down with <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-slatter-b6694715/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Emma Slatter</a></u>, Chief Officer - Legal, Regulatory and Compliance at <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/visa/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Visa</a></u>. Emma shares her journey from private practice at Slaughter and May to a 20 year career at Deutsche Bank, and then to Visa, where she joined just weeks before a major payments outage.</p><p>Emma Slatter began her legal career at Slaughter and May before moving in-house to Morgan Grenfell, which was later absorbed into Deutsche Bank. Over two decades at Deutsche, she held a range of senior roles, including leading global markets legal in London during the financial crisis. After a brief sabbatical, she joined Visa, where she now oversees legal, regulatory and compliance functions in a fast evolving payments landscape.</p><p><br></p><h3><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></h3><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How to lead calmly and effectively through crisis, regulatory investigations, and intense public scrutiny.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why building and promoting a strong team is central to being a successful General Counsel.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The importance of resilience, humility, and empowering junior talent in an AI driven future.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How the relationship between GCs and law firms is changing, including the impact of AI and new billing models.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Emma’s perspective on litigation funding, generational change, and the future of in-house legal leadership.</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><h3><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></h3><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[01:05] – Welcome &amp; Introduction to Beyond Billables with Emma Slatter</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[03:34] – Training at Slaughter and May: The Generalist Foundation</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[05:04] – 20 Years at Deutsche Bank: Navigating Growth, Crisis, and Leadership</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[10:34] – Joining Visa: From "Quiet and Dull" to an Outage in Three Weeks</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[14:37] – What Makes a Successful GC? Building Teams, Humility, and Empowering Juniors</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[20:46] – The Toughest Times: Investigations, Regulators, and Internal Scrutiny at Deutsche</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[27:53] – Law Firm Partners vs. GCs: Core Skills Are the Same</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[33:46] – Integration Journeys: Adapting to In-House Life and Visa's Collaborative Culture</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[44:31] – The Future: AI, Generational Change, and the Evolving Law Firm Model</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[48:38] – AI, Billing, and Open Conversations with Law Firms</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[53:44] – Regrets? None – From Financial Crisis to Carrying the Olympic Torch</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[56:04] – Closing Remarks</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Emma Slatter:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-slatter-b6694715/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-slatter-b6694715/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/visa/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/visa/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website: <u><a href="https://www.visa.com/en-us/business" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.visa.com/en-us/business</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong> </p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></u></li></ol><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners</em>, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> sits down with <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-slatter-b6694715/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Emma Slatter</a></u>, Chief Officer - Legal, Regulatory and Compliance at <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/visa/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Visa</a></u>. Emma shares her journey from private practice at Slaughter and May to a 20 year career at Deutsche Bank, and then to Visa, where she joined just weeks before a major payments outage.</p><p>Emma Slatter began her legal career at Slaughter and May before moving in-house to Morgan Grenfell, which was later absorbed into Deutsche Bank. Over two decades at Deutsche, she held a range of senior roles, including leading global markets legal in London during the financial crisis. After a brief sabbatical, she joined Visa, where she now oversees legal, regulatory and compliance functions in a fast evolving payments landscape.</p><p><br></p><h3><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></h3><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How to lead calmly and effectively through crisis, regulatory investigations, and intense public scrutiny.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why building and promoting a strong team is central to being a successful General Counsel.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The importance of resilience, humility, and empowering junior talent in an AI driven future.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How the relationship between GCs and law firms is changing, including the impact of AI and new billing models.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Emma’s perspective on litigation funding, generational change, and the future of in-house legal leadership.</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><h3><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></h3><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[01:05] – Welcome &amp; Introduction to Beyond Billables with Emma Slatter</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[03:34] – Training at Slaughter and May: The Generalist Foundation</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[05:04] – 20 Years at Deutsche Bank: Navigating Growth, Crisis, and Leadership</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[10:34] – Joining Visa: From "Quiet and Dull" to an Outage in Three Weeks</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[14:37] – What Makes a Successful GC? Building Teams, Humility, and Empowering Juniors</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[20:46] – The Toughest Times: Investigations, Regulators, and Internal Scrutiny at Deutsche</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[27:53] – Law Firm Partners vs. GCs: Core Skills Are the Same</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[33:46] – Integration Journeys: Adapting to In-House Life and Visa's Collaborative Culture</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[44:31] – The Future: AI, Generational Change, and the Evolving Law Firm Model</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[48:38] – AI, Billing, and Open Conversations with Law Firms</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[53:44] – Regrets? None – From Financial Crisis to Carrying the Olympic Torch</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[56:04] – Closing Remarks</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Emma Slatter:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-slatter-b6694715/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-slatter-b6694715/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/visa/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/visa/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website: <u><a href="https://www.visa.com/en-us/business" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.visa.com/en-us/business</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong> </p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></u></li></ol><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://beyond-billables.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">c3ed0a99-0750-4b3e-a251-c7a823cbbddd</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/565fb9a1-1f50-4f4d-a97d-3f14e9e388ec/RSS-Beyond-Billables-1.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2026 10:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/c3ed0a99-0750-4b3e-a251-c7a823cbbddd.mp3" length="54376121" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>56:39</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>The Nonlinear Career Journey for Female Lawyers to Make Partner on Their Own Terms with Vicky Wick</title><itunes:title>The Nonlinear Career Journey for Female Lawyers to Make Partner on Their Own Terms with Vicky Wick</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners</em>, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> speaks with <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/vicky-wickremeratne-8903b33a4/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vicky Wickremeratne</a></u>, senior employment partner at <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/simmons-&amp;-simmons/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Simmons &amp; Simmons</a></u>. The conversation explores what it really takes to build a successful legal career across private practice and in-house roles. Vicky shares her non linear career journey, the skills that matter most for partners, and how relationship building, adaptability, and self awareness shape long term success in the law.</p><p>Vicky Wick built a broad career across private practice and senior in-house roles, including working in London and Hong Kong. Her experience spans major law firms and global financial institutions, giving her a deep understanding of leadership, client relationships, and career development within the legal profession.</p><h2><strong>Expect to Learn</strong></h2><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why relationship building is central to success as a law firm partner</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The key differences between in-house and private practice legal work</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How lateral partners can integrate successfully into new firms</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The impact of working parenthood on career decisions and progression</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why feedback, mentorship, and self awareness matter in leadership roles</li></ol><br/><h2><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps</strong></h2><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:59] – Welcome &amp; Introduction to Beyond Billables with Vicky Wickremeratne</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[04:27] – Core Skills of a Successful Partner: Relationships and Communication</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[07:25] – Connecting with People: Lessons from Bartending and Waitressing</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[10:06] – In-House vs. Private Practice: Delivering Pithy, Commercial Advice</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[13:00] – The Fascination of Employment Law: People and Strategy</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[18:40] – Moving Jobs While Pregnant or on Maternity Leave</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[20:58] – Non-Linear Careers and the Value of Lateral Moves</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[25:30] – Integration Plans and the Importance of Early Stakeholder Meetings</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[28:18] – Mentors and Role Models: Karen Ish, Goldman Sachs Leaders, and Feedback Culture</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[32:43] – The Surprise of Partnership: Leadership Shadow and Shifting Tents</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[38:12] – Hybrid Working: Balancing Flexibility with the Apprenticeship Model</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[40:28] – Networking as Friendship: Staying in Touch Through Life and Bruce Springsteen</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[43:50] – One Golden Rule: Build Relationships and Stay in Touch</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[44:06] – Closing Remarks</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Vicky Wickremeratne:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/vicky-wickremeratne-8903b33a4/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/vicky-wickremeratne-8903b33a4/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/simmons-&amp;-simmons/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/simmons-&amp;-simmons/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website: <u><a href="https://www.simmons-simmons.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.simmons-simmons.com/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></u></li></ol><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners</em>, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> speaks with <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/vicky-wickremeratne-8903b33a4/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vicky Wickremeratne</a></u>, senior employment partner at <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/simmons-&amp;-simmons/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Simmons &amp; Simmons</a></u>. The conversation explores what it really takes to build a successful legal career across private practice and in-house roles. Vicky shares her non linear career journey, the skills that matter most for partners, and how relationship building, adaptability, and self awareness shape long term success in the law.</p><p>Vicky Wick built a broad career across private practice and senior in-house roles, including working in London and Hong Kong. Her experience spans major law firms and global financial institutions, giving her a deep understanding of leadership, client relationships, and career development within the legal profession.</p><h2><strong>Expect to Learn</strong></h2><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why relationship building is central to success as a law firm partner</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The key differences between in-house and private practice legal work</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How lateral partners can integrate successfully into new firms</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The impact of working parenthood on career decisions and progression</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why feedback, mentorship, and self awareness matter in leadership roles</li></ol><br/><h2><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps</strong></h2><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:59] – Welcome &amp; Introduction to Beyond Billables with Vicky Wickremeratne</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[04:27] – Core Skills of a Successful Partner: Relationships and Communication</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[07:25] – Connecting with People: Lessons from Bartending and Waitressing</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[10:06] – In-House vs. Private Practice: Delivering Pithy, Commercial Advice</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[13:00] – The Fascination of Employment Law: People and Strategy</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[18:40] – Moving Jobs While Pregnant or on Maternity Leave</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[20:58] – Non-Linear Careers and the Value of Lateral Moves</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[25:30] – Integration Plans and the Importance of Early Stakeholder Meetings</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[28:18] – Mentors and Role Models: Karen Ish, Goldman Sachs Leaders, and Feedback Culture</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[32:43] – The Surprise of Partnership: Leadership Shadow and Shifting Tents</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[38:12] – Hybrid Working: Balancing Flexibility with the Apprenticeship Model</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[40:28] – Networking as Friendship: Staying in Touch Through Life and Bruce Springsteen</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[43:50] – One Golden Rule: Build Relationships and Stay in Touch</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[44:06] – Closing Remarks</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Vicky Wickremeratne:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/vicky-wickremeratne-8903b33a4/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/vicky-wickremeratne-8903b33a4/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/simmons-&amp;-simmons/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/simmons-&amp;-simmons/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website: <u><a href="https://www.simmons-simmons.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.simmons-simmons.com/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></u></li></ol><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://beyond-billables.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">a933205a-3922-4d15-bf84-69a30f366051</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/dfb5a8f8-7beb-4aaf-96ed-999d895ba730/RSS-Beyond-Billables-5.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2026 10:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/a933205a-3922-4d15-bf84-69a30f366051.mp3" length="63830567" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>44:20</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Law Firm Metrics for Partners to Lead Profitably and Build Stronger Teams with Jeanette Burgess</title><itunes:title>Law Firm Metrics for Partners to Lead Profitably and Build Stronger Teams with Jeanette Burgess</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> sits down with <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeanette-burgess-6424749/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jeanette Burgess</a></u>, Managing Partner at <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/walker-morris/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Walker Morris</a></u>, one of the UK’s leading independent law firms. Jeanette shares her career journey from aspiring police officer to leading a top firm, offering candid insights into her time in-house, her return to private practice, and her transition into law firm leadership. She discusses the real challenges of partnership, the impact of AI on the legal sector, and the importance of resilience, curiosity, and communication in sustaining a legal career.</p><p>Jeanette Burgess has nearly three decades of legal experience. She began in private practice before spending time in-house at Provident Group, and later built Walker Morris’s regulatory team from the ground up. Elected to the board in 2015 and appointed Managing Partner in 2024, she brings deep insight into leadership, regulatory law, and evolving law firm dynamics.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How Jeanette’s in-house experience shaped her success in private practice and firm leadership</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The overlooked skills needed for successful law firm partnership beyond legal expertise</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>What makes lateral hires succeed or fail and how culture plays a bigger role than you might think</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why AI is both a challenge and an opportunity for the legal profession</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Jeanette’s top lessons from managing partner life, including resilience, client service, and staying curious</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:47] – Introduction to the Podcast and Guest Jeanette Burgess</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[01:39] – Jeanette’s Early Career: From Police Aspirations to Law</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[03:49] – Moving In-House and Return to Private Practice at Walker Morris</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[08:14] – Walker Morris’s “Forge” Programme for Future Partners</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[11:46] – In-House vs. Private Practice: Different Skills and Environments</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[14:09] – The Challenges and Loneliness of Being an In-House Lawyer</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[20:52] – Decision-Making, Patience, and the Value of Sleep</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[24:16] – Lateral Hiring: Why Some Succeed and Others Fail</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[27:25] – Integrating Laterals and Learning from Their Experience</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[30:11] – The Critical Early Months for Lateral Integration</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[35:40] – The Impact of AI on Learning, Work, and Firm Structure</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[40:16] – Private Equity in Law: Curiosity and Skepticism</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[45:46] – Highs and Lows: Best and Worst Moments as a Partner</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[51:10] – Mentors Who Shaped Her Career</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[54:40] – One Golden Rule for Being a Successful Partner</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[55:54] – Closing Remarks</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Jeanette Burgess:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeanette-burgess-6424749/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeanette-burgess-6424749/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/walker-morris/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/walker-morris/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website: <u><a href="https://www.walkermorris.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.walkermorris.co.uk/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong> </p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></u></li></ol><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> sits down with <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeanette-burgess-6424749/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jeanette Burgess</a></u>, Managing Partner at <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/walker-morris/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Walker Morris</a></u>, one of the UK’s leading independent law firms. Jeanette shares her career journey from aspiring police officer to leading a top firm, offering candid insights into her time in-house, her return to private practice, and her transition into law firm leadership. She discusses the real challenges of partnership, the impact of AI on the legal sector, and the importance of resilience, curiosity, and communication in sustaining a legal career.</p><p>Jeanette Burgess has nearly three decades of legal experience. She began in private practice before spending time in-house at Provident Group, and later built Walker Morris’s regulatory team from the ground up. Elected to the board in 2015 and appointed Managing Partner in 2024, she brings deep insight into leadership, regulatory law, and evolving law firm dynamics.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How Jeanette’s in-house experience shaped her success in private practice and firm leadership</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The overlooked skills needed for successful law firm partnership beyond legal expertise</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>What makes lateral hires succeed or fail and how culture plays a bigger role than you might think</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why AI is both a challenge and an opportunity for the legal profession</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Jeanette’s top lessons from managing partner life, including resilience, client service, and staying curious</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:47] – Introduction to the Podcast and Guest Jeanette Burgess</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[01:39] – Jeanette’s Early Career: From Police Aspirations to Law</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[03:49] – Moving In-House and Return to Private Practice at Walker Morris</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[08:14] – Walker Morris’s “Forge” Programme for Future Partners</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[11:46] – In-House vs. Private Practice: Different Skills and Environments</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[14:09] – The Challenges and Loneliness of Being an In-House Lawyer</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[20:52] – Decision-Making, Patience, and the Value of Sleep</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[24:16] – Lateral Hiring: Why Some Succeed and Others Fail</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[27:25] – Integrating Laterals and Learning from Their Experience</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[30:11] – The Critical Early Months for Lateral Integration</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[35:40] – The Impact of AI on Learning, Work, and Firm Structure</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[40:16] – Private Equity in Law: Curiosity and Skepticism</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[45:46] – Highs and Lows: Best and Worst Moments as a Partner</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[51:10] – Mentors Who Shaped Her Career</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[54:40] – One Golden Rule for Being a Successful Partner</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[55:54] – Closing Remarks</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Jeanette Burgess:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeanette-burgess-6424749/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeanette-burgess-6424749/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/walker-morris/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/walker-morris/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website: <u><a href="https://www.walkermorris.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.walkermorris.co.uk/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong> </p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></u></li></ol><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://beyond-billables.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">d6181852-9f88-4ffd-b58f-d0dbc7dcfeeb</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/abc620a3-f079-46d1-8461-d2b88db91324/RSS-Beyond-Billables-3.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2026 10:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/d6181852-9f88-4ffd-b58f-d0dbc7dcfeeb.mp3" length="53216703" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>55:26</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>KC Success Traits for Aspiring Barristers to Thrive in High-Stakes Cases with Jeff Chapman KC</title><itunes:title>KC Success Traits for Aspiring Barristers to Thrive in High-Stakes Cases with Jeff Chapman KC</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this special episode of <em>Beyond Billables</em>, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> steps outside the usual realm of law firm partners to sit down with a senior King’s Counsel, <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-chapman-kc-29360828/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jeff Chapman KC</a></u>. With decades of experience at the top of the commercial bar, Jeff brings a wealth of insight into what it takes to succeed as a KC in today’s complex legal landscape. The conversation explores Jeff’s professional journey, the evolution of the barristers' profession, and the role of leadership, preparation, and purpose in delivering legal excellence.</p><p>Jeff Chapman KC is a leading commercial barrister at Fountain Court Chambers, one of London's elite sets. He began his career after studying at Sussex University and Cambridge, and worked at the Law Commission on the Computer Misuse Act before being called to the Bar in 1989. With over 35 years of experience, Jeff has acted in major fraud, dishonesty, and commercial litigation cases, and is known for his sharp advocacy, legal intellect, and practical approach to complex disputes.</p><p><br></p><h3><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></h3><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>What makes a successful KC and how preparation remains the cornerstone of legal excellence.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why teamwork and communication matter even in a traditionally solo profession like the Bar.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Behind-the-scenes insights into high-profile cases, including the Mike Ashley trial and Olympic showjumping disputes.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How the commercial bar is evolving with more diversity and changing client expectations.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Jeff’s thoughts on AI, cybersecurity, and the future challenges for young barristers.</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><h3><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></h3><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:44] – Welcome to Beyond Billables &amp; Introduction of KC Jeff Chapman</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[04:25] – Diversity at the Bar: Oxbridge Perceptions and Changing Demographics</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[08:57] – The Evolution of Team Dynamics in Modern Bar Practice</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[10:46] – The Reality of Case Preparation and Imposter Syndrome</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[12:45] – Transitioning to Silk: How Practice Changes After Taking Silk</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[15:34] – Memorable Instructing Firms: A Bad Experience and a Good One</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[18:03] – Representing an Irish Showjumper at the 2012 Olympics</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[20:54] – The Mike Ashley Case: Cross-Examination in the Horse &amp; Groom Pub</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[24:55] – The Group Seven Litigation: A Magnificent Fraud Case</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[28:27] – Jan Marsalek, Wirecard, and Unusual Client Stories</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[31:58] – The Economics of the Bar vs. Law Firms</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[34:30] – Adapting to Law Firm Life: A Barrister’s Challenge</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[37:42] – Mentors Who Shaped His Career: Brian Davenport and Anthony Boswood</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[39:38] – The Feast-or-Famine Nature of Barristers’ Work</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[42:02] – Reflections on a Fulfilling Career at the Bar</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[45:32] – The Limitations of AI in Legal Practice</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[47:44] – Why AI Can’t Replace Barristers’ Storytelling Role</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[49:18] – Three Non-Negotiable Rules for Legal Teams</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[50:55] – One Golden Rule for Being a Successful KC</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[52:38] – The Importance of Realistic Advice and Risk Management</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[53:38] – Closing Remarks and Thanks</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Jeff Chapman KC:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-chapman-kc-29360828/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-chapman-kc-29360828/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/fountain-court-chambers/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/fountain-court-chambers/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website: <u><a href="https://fountaincourt.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://fountaincourt.uk/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong> </p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></u></li></ol><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this special episode of <em>Beyond Billables</em>, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> steps outside the usual realm of law firm partners to sit down with a senior King’s Counsel, <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-chapman-kc-29360828/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jeff Chapman KC</a></u>. With decades of experience at the top of the commercial bar, Jeff brings a wealth of insight into what it takes to succeed as a KC in today’s complex legal landscape. The conversation explores Jeff’s professional journey, the evolution of the barristers' profession, and the role of leadership, preparation, and purpose in delivering legal excellence.</p><p>Jeff Chapman KC is a leading commercial barrister at Fountain Court Chambers, one of London's elite sets. He began his career after studying at Sussex University and Cambridge, and worked at the Law Commission on the Computer Misuse Act before being called to the Bar in 1989. With over 35 years of experience, Jeff has acted in major fraud, dishonesty, and commercial litigation cases, and is known for his sharp advocacy, legal intellect, and practical approach to complex disputes.</p><p><br></p><h3><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></h3><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>What makes a successful KC and how preparation remains the cornerstone of legal excellence.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why teamwork and communication matter even in a traditionally solo profession like the Bar.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Behind-the-scenes insights into high-profile cases, including the Mike Ashley trial and Olympic showjumping disputes.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How the commercial bar is evolving with more diversity and changing client expectations.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Jeff’s thoughts on AI, cybersecurity, and the future challenges for young barristers.</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><h3><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></h3><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:44] – Welcome to Beyond Billables &amp; Introduction of KC Jeff Chapman</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[04:25] – Diversity at the Bar: Oxbridge Perceptions and Changing Demographics</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[08:57] – The Evolution of Team Dynamics in Modern Bar Practice</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[10:46] – The Reality of Case Preparation and Imposter Syndrome</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[12:45] – Transitioning to Silk: How Practice Changes After Taking Silk</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[15:34] – Memorable Instructing Firms: A Bad Experience and a Good One</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[18:03] – Representing an Irish Showjumper at the 2012 Olympics</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[20:54] – The Mike Ashley Case: Cross-Examination in the Horse &amp; Groom Pub</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[24:55] – The Group Seven Litigation: A Magnificent Fraud Case</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[28:27] – Jan Marsalek, Wirecard, and Unusual Client Stories</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[31:58] – The Economics of the Bar vs. Law Firms</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[34:30] – Adapting to Law Firm Life: A Barrister’s Challenge</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[37:42] – Mentors Who Shaped His Career: Brian Davenport and Anthony Boswood</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[39:38] – The Feast-or-Famine Nature of Barristers’ Work</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[42:02] – Reflections on a Fulfilling Career at the Bar</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[45:32] – The Limitations of AI in Legal Practice</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[47:44] – Why AI Can’t Replace Barristers’ Storytelling Role</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[49:18] – Three Non-Negotiable Rules for Legal Teams</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[50:55] – One Golden Rule for Being a Successful KC</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[52:38] – The Importance of Realistic Advice and Risk Management</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[53:38] – Closing Remarks and Thanks</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Jeff Chapman KC:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-chapman-kc-29360828/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-chapman-kc-29360828/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/fountain-court-chambers/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/fountain-court-chambers/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website: <u><a href="https://fountaincourt.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://fountaincourt.uk/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong> </p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></u></li></ol><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://beyond-billables.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">638ef029-8dc5-4904-9a80-d886250037db</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/bdd4d6aa-aca9-4ba4-91b0-aaa418537077/RSS-Beyond-Billables-Jeff-Chapman-KC.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2026 10:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/638ef029-8dc5-4904-9a80-d886250037db.mp3" length="78134175" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>54:16</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>How Senior Lawyers Navigate Lateral Moves Without Losing Clients or Momentum with Joanne Owen</title><itunes:title>How Senior Lawyers Navigate Lateral Moves Without Losing Clients or Momentum with Joanne Owen</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Beyond Billables</em>, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> interviews <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/joanne-owen-544a351b/?originalSubdomain=uk" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joanne Owen</a></u>, Global Co-Head of the Real Estate Sector at <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/dla-piper/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">DLA Piper</a></u>. Joanne shares his career journey, leadership insights, and what it takes to be a successful law firm partner. With over 20 years of experience in law, Joanne talks about his transition from DLA to Proskauer and back, and the lessons he's learned along the way.</p><p>Joanne's experience spans multiple continents and legal environments, including both UK and US law firms. He offers a candid view on the challenges and rewards of lateral moves, the importance of resilience, and the evolving role of AI in legal practice. He also discusses how authenticity and hard work shape his approach to leadership.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The impact of lateral moves on a legal career and the importance of thoughtful integration.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why being authentic and resilient are key traits of successful law firm partners.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How the legal landscape is evolving with geopolitical complexities and the rise of AI.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The importance of collaboration and trust in leadership roles.</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:00] – Teaser </li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:42] – Welcome to Beyond Billables and Introduction of Guest Joe Owens</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[02:55] – University and Training Contract Beginnings</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[05:48] – Decision to Leave DLA and Join Proskauer</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[07:58] – Building a Platform at Proskauer Amid Brexit</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[09:52] – Return to DLA Piper: Conversations and Motivation</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[11:11] – Client Influence and the Decision to Rejoin</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[13:05] – Reintegration and Client Work Upon Returning</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[17:13] – Traits of a Successful Partner: Resilience and Authenticity</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[19:35] – Differences Between UK and US Law Firm Cultures</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[22:14] – The Role of Likability and Client Rapport</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[25:59] – Lateral Hire Success and Integration Challenges</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[29:18] – Why Laterals Succeed or Fail: Key Factors</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[32:41] – The Importance of Thoughtful Lateral Integration</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[34:08] – Changes Upon Returning to DLA Piper</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[39:26] – Reflections on Regrets and Learning from Experience</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[42:03] – Personal Growth and Embracing Discomfort</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[44:11] – Mentors and the Evolution of Mentoring in Law</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[46:25] – Isolation in Senior Leadership and Peer Support</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[48:32] – Future Challenges: Geopolitics, Complexity, and AI</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[52:49] – Three Non-Negotiable Behaviors for Success</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[53:59] – Closing Remarks and Thanks</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Joanne Owen:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/joanne-owen-544a351b/?originalSubdomain=uk" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/joanne-owen-544a351b/?originalSubdomain=uk</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/dla-piper/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/dla-piper/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website: <u><a href="https://www.dlapiper.com/en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.dlapiper.com/en</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong> </p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></u></li></ol><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Beyond Billables</em>, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> interviews <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/joanne-owen-544a351b/?originalSubdomain=uk" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joanne Owen</a></u>, Global Co-Head of the Real Estate Sector at <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/dla-piper/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">DLA Piper</a></u>. Joanne shares his career journey, leadership insights, and what it takes to be a successful law firm partner. With over 20 years of experience in law, Joanne talks about his transition from DLA to Proskauer and back, and the lessons he's learned along the way.</p><p>Joanne's experience spans multiple continents and legal environments, including both UK and US law firms. He offers a candid view on the challenges and rewards of lateral moves, the importance of resilience, and the evolving role of AI in legal practice. He also discusses how authenticity and hard work shape his approach to leadership.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The impact of lateral moves on a legal career and the importance of thoughtful integration.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why being authentic and resilient are key traits of successful law firm partners.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How the legal landscape is evolving with geopolitical complexities and the rise of AI.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The importance of collaboration and trust in leadership roles.</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:00] – Teaser </li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:42] – Welcome to Beyond Billables and Introduction of Guest Joe Owens</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[02:55] – University and Training Contract Beginnings</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[05:48] – Decision to Leave DLA and Join Proskauer</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[07:58] – Building a Platform at Proskauer Amid Brexit</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[09:52] – Return to DLA Piper: Conversations and Motivation</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[11:11] – Client Influence and the Decision to Rejoin</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[13:05] – Reintegration and Client Work Upon Returning</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[17:13] – Traits of a Successful Partner: Resilience and Authenticity</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[19:35] – Differences Between UK and US Law Firm Cultures</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[22:14] – The Role of Likability and Client Rapport</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[25:59] – Lateral Hire Success and Integration Challenges</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[29:18] – Why Laterals Succeed or Fail: Key Factors</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[32:41] – The Importance of Thoughtful Lateral Integration</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[34:08] – Changes Upon Returning to DLA Piper</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[39:26] – Reflections on Regrets and Learning from Experience</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[42:03] – Personal Growth and Embracing Discomfort</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[44:11] – Mentors and the Evolution of Mentoring in Law</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[46:25] – Isolation in Senior Leadership and Peer Support</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[48:32] – Future Challenges: Geopolitics, Complexity, and AI</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[52:49] – Three Non-Negotiable Behaviors for Success</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[53:59] – Closing Remarks and Thanks</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Joanne Owen:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/joanne-owen-544a351b/?originalSubdomain=uk" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/joanne-owen-544a351b/?originalSubdomain=uk</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/dla-piper/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/dla-piper/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website: <u><a href="https://www.dlapiper.com/en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.dlapiper.com/en</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong> </p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></u></li></ol><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://beyond-billables.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">b1b4f861-8996-43a8-82c7-b1bf4fcd473c</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/94123d22-b645-4589-acbd-a80d8a215420/RSS-Beyond-Billables-1.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2026 10:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/b1b4f861-8996-43a8-82c7-b1bf4fcd473c.mp3" length="78605633" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>54:35</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>The Failed Integrations for Law Firm Leaders to Fix Lateral Hiring with Stéphane Lemarchand</title><itunes:title>The Failed Integrations for Law Firm Leaders to Fix Lateral Hiring with Stéphane Lemarchand</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Beyond Billables</em>, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> sits down with <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stlemarchand/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stéphane Lemarchand</a></u>, Partner at <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/dla-piper/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">DLA Piper</a></u> in Paris, to explore what it truly means to build a successful and sustainable legal career at the top of the profession. With over 25 years of experience in IT and digital transformation law, Stéphane shares his journey from a curious law student to a globally respected partner and leader. This conversation dives into the evolving legal landscape, the importance of building teams, and how true leadership goes beyond individual billing to influence, integrity, and impact.</p><p>Stéphane Lemarchand is a Senior Partner at DLA Piper in Paris with more than two decades of experience advising multinational and domestic clients on complex digital transformation projects, IT disputes, and strategic technology transactions. A founding member of Bird &amp; Bird’s Paris office, Stéphane later joined DLA Piper, where he served as Global Co-Chair of the IP and Technology group and as a member of the Executive Committee. His deep understanding of the tech sector and his strategic leadership have positioned him as a key figure in shaping the firm’s international growth and culture.</p><h3><strong>Expect to Learn</strong></h3><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How Stéphane transitioned from law student to partner without a legal background in his family.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why building and empowering a team is central to long-term partner success.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The key differences between managing and leading within international law firms.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Insights into how US and UK law firm models differ and what that means for lawyers in Europe.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How consulting services, AI, and client expectations are reshaping the future of the legal industry.</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><h3><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps</strong></h3><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:00] - Teaser</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:46] – Welcome &amp; Introduction to Beyond Billables</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[01:53] – Stéphane’s Journey to Law &amp; Early Passion for IP/Tech Law</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[04:14] – Career Path: From Bird &amp; Bird to Founding DLA Piper’s Paris Office</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[05:55] – Defining a Successful Partner: Beyond Billing to Recognition &amp; Team Building</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[08:24] – The Essential Role of Team Building vs. “Lone Wolf” Partners</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[10:15] – Navigating US vs. UK Law Firm Cultures as a French Lawyer</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[15:46] – Leadership Skills vs. Partner Skills: Strategy, Consensus &amp; Resilience</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[18:48] – Law Firm Leadership: Financial Success vs. Strategic Vision</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[21:20] – US Law Firm Dominance &amp; The Future of Global Law Firms</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[25:25] – Lateral Hiring: Why So Many Laterals Underperform</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[26:22] – Key Factors in Lateral Success: Strategic Need, Team Moves &amp; Integration</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[31:10] – The Risk of Partners Moving Alone &amp; The Importance of Team Integration</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[33:26] – Joining a New Firm as Becoming a “Different Partner”</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[35:59] – The Misplaced Emphasis on Portable Client Books</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[38:07] – Reflections: The Privilege &amp; Weight of Partnership</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[40:13] – Career Regrets? Trust, Mistakes &amp; Moving Forward</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[45:06] – Future Factors: Client Expectations, Multidisciplinary Services &amp; AI</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[47:52] – The Evolving Role of Lawyers: From Law to Consulting &amp; Regulation</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[50:45] – Agile Working: A Matter of Trust &amp; Responsibility</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[51:34] – Non-Negotiable Behaviors: Quality, Transparency &amp; Collaboration</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[52:26] – One Golden Rule: Have Fun &amp; Stay Humble</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[52:53] – Closing Remarks &amp; Thanks</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stéphane Lemarchand:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stlemarchand/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stlemarchand/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/dla-piper/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/dla-piper/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website: <u><a href="https://www.dlapiper.com/en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.dlapiper.com/en</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></u></li></ol><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Beyond Billables</em>, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> sits down with <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stlemarchand/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stéphane Lemarchand</a></u>, Partner at <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/dla-piper/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">DLA Piper</a></u> in Paris, to explore what it truly means to build a successful and sustainable legal career at the top of the profession. With over 25 years of experience in IT and digital transformation law, Stéphane shares his journey from a curious law student to a globally respected partner and leader. This conversation dives into the evolving legal landscape, the importance of building teams, and how true leadership goes beyond individual billing to influence, integrity, and impact.</p><p>Stéphane Lemarchand is a Senior Partner at DLA Piper in Paris with more than two decades of experience advising multinational and domestic clients on complex digital transformation projects, IT disputes, and strategic technology transactions. A founding member of Bird &amp; Bird’s Paris office, Stéphane later joined DLA Piper, where he served as Global Co-Chair of the IP and Technology group and as a member of the Executive Committee. His deep understanding of the tech sector and his strategic leadership have positioned him as a key figure in shaping the firm’s international growth and culture.</p><h3><strong>Expect to Learn</strong></h3><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How Stéphane transitioned from law student to partner without a legal background in his family.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Why building and empowering a team is central to long-term partner success.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The key differences between managing and leading within international law firms.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Insights into how US and UK law firm models differ and what that means for lawyers in Europe.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How consulting services, AI, and client expectations are reshaping the future of the legal industry.</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><h3><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps</strong></h3><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:00] - Teaser</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[00:46] – Welcome &amp; Introduction to Beyond Billables</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[01:53] – Stéphane’s Journey to Law &amp; Early Passion for IP/Tech Law</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[04:14] – Career Path: From Bird &amp; Bird to Founding DLA Piper’s Paris Office</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[05:55] – Defining a Successful Partner: Beyond Billing to Recognition &amp; Team Building</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[08:24] – The Essential Role of Team Building vs. “Lone Wolf” Partners</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[10:15] – Navigating US vs. UK Law Firm Cultures as a French Lawyer</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[15:46] – Leadership Skills vs. Partner Skills: Strategy, Consensus &amp; Resilience</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[18:48] – Law Firm Leadership: Financial Success vs. Strategic Vision</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[21:20] – US Law Firm Dominance &amp; The Future of Global Law Firms</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[25:25] – Lateral Hiring: Why So Many Laterals Underperform</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[26:22] – Key Factors in Lateral Success: Strategic Need, Team Moves &amp; Integration</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[31:10] – The Risk of Partners Moving Alone &amp; The Importance of Team Integration</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[33:26] – Joining a New Firm as Becoming a “Different Partner”</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[35:59] – The Misplaced Emphasis on Portable Client Books</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[38:07] – Reflections: The Privilege &amp; Weight of Partnership</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[40:13] – Career Regrets? Trust, Mistakes &amp; Moving Forward</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[45:06] – Future Factors: Client Expectations, Multidisciplinary Services &amp; AI</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[47:52] – The Evolving Role of Lawyers: From Law to Consulting &amp; Regulation</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[50:45] – Agile Working: A Matter of Trust &amp; Responsibility</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[51:34] – Non-Negotiable Behaviors: Quality, Transparency &amp; Collaboration</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[52:26] – One Golden Rule: Have Fun &amp; Stay Humble</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>[52:53] – Closing Remarks &amp; Thanks</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stéphane Lemarchand:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stlemarchand/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stlemarchand/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/dla-piper/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/dla-piper/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website: <u><a href="https://www.dlapiper.com/en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.dlapiper.com/en</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></u></li></ol><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://beyond-billables.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">e97a5f0b-3127-48bf-b692-89b51a56aa43</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/bec28aa6-bc64-43c9-acdd-08f407a95b5e/RSS-Beyond-Billables.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2026 10:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/e97a5f0b-3127-48bf-b692-89b51a56aa43.mp3" length="77906971" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>53:27</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>What Makes Law Firm Partners Truly Successful in 2025 for Legal Leaders with Julian Stait</title><itunes:title>What Makes Law Firm Partners Truly Successful in 2025 for Legal Leaders with Julian Stait</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners</em>, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> speaks with <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/julian-stait-7041b516/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Julian Stait</a></u>, co-managing Partner and Head of the London Litigation &amp; Arbitration team at <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/milbankllp/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Milbank</a></u>. Julian shares his remarkable career journey, from his early days as a litigator to leading one of Europe’s top dispute resolution teams. With over 30 years of experience, Julian discusses the skills and attributes required to succeed as a partner, the evolution of law firm management, and the role of empathy and integrity in leadership.</p><p>Julian reflects on his transition from a litigator to a partner and his journey through multiple firms, providing valuable insights into what makes a successful partner in today’s competitive legal landscape. He also touches on the importance of technology, AI, and team dynamics in shaping the future of law firms.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Key skills for success as a top law firm partner, including client handling, leadership, and integrity.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The differences between UK and US law firms and how management structures are evolving.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The impact of AI and technology on the legal industry, particularly in dispute resolution.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How empathy and vulnerability can shape effective leadership and team collaboration.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Insights into integrating laterals successfully and why cultural fit matters.</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></p><p>[00:00] – Introduction to the episode and guest, Julian Stait</p><p>[02:26] – Julian’s journey from a classical music background to law</p><p>[04:30] – Transitioning into litigation and becoming a partner at DLA Piper</p><p>[08:56] – The key attributes for becoming a successful partner</p><p>[10:03] – Leadership and managing large teams in law firms</p><p>[15:02] – Strategic negotiation and seeing the big picture in litigation</p><p>[17:07] – Comparing success between UK and US law firms</p><p>[23:29] – Management challenges and the importance of listening and empathy</p><p>[30:31] – Balancing practice with management roles</p><p>[36:45] – Key reasons for successful integration of lateral hires</p><p>[45:21] – Mentorship and key advice received during Julian’s career</p><p>[52:01] – The role of AI and technology in shaping future law firm success</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Julian Stait:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/julian-stait-7041b516/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/julian-stait-7041b516/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/milbankllp/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/milbankllp/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website: <u><a href="https://www.milbank.com/en/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.milbank.com/en/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a> </u></li></ol><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Beyond Billables: Lessons from Top Law Firm Partners</em>, host <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a></u> speaks with <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/julian-stait-7041b516/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Julian Stait</a></u>, co-managing Partner and Head of the London Litigation &amp; Arbitration team at <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/milbankllp/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Milbank</a></u>. Julian shares his remarkable career journey, from his early days as a litigator to leading one of Europe’s top dispute resolution teams. With over 30 years of experience, Julian discusses the skills and attributes required to succeed as a partner, the evolution of law firm management, and the role of empathy and integrity in leadership.</p><p>Julian reflects on his transition from a litigator to a partner and his journey through multiple firms, providing valuable insights into what makes a successful partner in today’s competitive legal landscape. He also touches on the importance of technology, AI, and team dynamics in shaping the future of law firms.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Key skills for success as a top law firm partner, including client handling, leadership, and integrity.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The differences between UK and US law firms and how management structures are evolving.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>The impact of AI and technology on the legal industry, particularly in dispute resolution.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>How empathy and vulnerability can shape effective leadership and team collaboration.</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Insights into integrating laterals successfully and why cultural fit matters.</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></p><p>[00:00] – Introduction to the episode and guest, Julian Stait</p><p>[02:26] – Julian’s journey from a classical music background to law</p><p>[04:30] – Transitioning into litigation and becoming a partner at DLA Piper</p><p>[08:56] – The key attributes for becoming a successful partner</p><p>[10:03] – Leadership and managing large teams in law firms</p><p>[15:02] – Strategic negotiation and seeing the big picture in litigation</p><p>[17:07] – Comparing success between UK and US law firms</p><p>[23:29] – Management challenges and the importance of listening and empathy</p><p>[30:31] – Balancing practice with management roles</p><p>[36:45] – Key reasons for successful integration of lateral hires</p><p>[45:21] – Mentorship and key advice received during Julian’s career</p><p>[52:01] – The role of AI and technology in shaping future law firm success</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Julian Stait:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/julian-stait-7041b516/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/julian-stait-7041b516/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/milbankllp/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/milbankllp/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website: <u><a href="https://www.milbank.com/en/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.milbank.com/en/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Company’s LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Website: <u><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>LinkedIn: <u><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></u></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></u></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><u><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a> </u></li></ol><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://beyond-billables.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">a96baa7d-9e2e-4b79-8be0-8a90a143c0f4</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/95bc5b2e-3b55-4887-9c2a-925a167dada2/RSS-BB-Julian-Stait-1.png"/><pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2026 20:27:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/a96baa7d-9e2e-4b79-8be0-8a90a143c0f4.mp3" length="54038410" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>56:17</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>The Law Firm Culture Is Causing Lateral Hire Failure and Leadership Crises with Clare Murray</title><itunes:title>The Law Firm Culture Is Causing Lateral Hire Failure and Leadership Crises with Clare Murray</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Beyond Billables</em>, host <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>Stephen Rodney</u></a> sits down with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/clare-murray-cm-murrayllp/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>Clare Murray</u></a>, Managing Partner at <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/cm-murray-llp/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>CM Murray LLP</u></a>, to explore what it really takes to build a successful legal practice. From founding her firm after a life-changing health event to leading with vision and heart, Clare shares candid insights into the inner workings of partnership culture, law firm leadership, and the evolving legal landscape. This conversation is a deep dive into how collaboration, accountability, and strategic thinking define success in modern legal practice.</p><p>Clare Murray is the founding partner of CM Murray LLP, a UK-based specialist law firm focused on partnership, employment law, and professional regulation. With over 20 years of leadership, Clare has built a top-ranked practice known for handling complex partnership disputes and advising senior executives and law firms. She is recognised as an Eminent Practitioner and is in the Hall of Fame in major legal directories. Clare also speaks regularly on leadership and law firm strategy, often leading discussions on partner integration, PE investment, and future-proofing law firms.</p><p><br></p><h3><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></h3><ol><li>What truly defines a successful law firm partner beyond billable hours.</li><li>How Clare turned personal adversity into the foundation of a top-tier law firm.</li><li>Why partnership culture and collaboration matter more than ever in legal practice.</li><li>How private equity and AI are reshaping the future of law firms.</li><li>The keys to effective partner integration and the analogy of grafting vines in firm culture.</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><h3><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></h3><ol><li>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li>[00:59] – Welcome to Beyond Billables &amp; Introduction of Clare Murray</li><li>[03:19] – Early Influences: Family Background &amp; Path to Law</li><li>[08:02] – Defining a Successful Partner: Collaboration, Accountability &amp; Resilience</li><li>[12:51] – Remuneration Systems &amp; Their Impact on Firm Culture and Collaboration</li><li>[15:25] – Lateral Hire Integration: Challenges, Optimism &amp; Realistic Expectations</li><li>[19:13] – Rethinking Lateral Hiring: Emphasis on Potential vs. Portable Client Book</li><li>[21:52] – Coaching Laterals: The "Rocket Science" of Basic Practice-Building</li><li>[25:26] – Building a Practice: Internal Networks, Trust &amp; Client Relationships</li><li>[27:00] – The Transition from Jobbing Partner to Leader/Manager</li><li>[30:04] – Leadership Tenure: Term Limits, Trust &amp; Delivering the Vision</li><li>[34:30] – Strategic Growth of CM Murray LLP: Client-Led Expansion &amp; Adjacent Services</li><li>[38:13] – Transformative Experience: The Goldman Sachs 10,000 Small Businesses Program</li><li>[40:00] – Leadership Lesson: The Strength in Seeking External Help</li><li>[43:41] – Critical Success Factors for Laterals: Early Internal Opportunities &amp; Culture</li><li>[46:30] – Looking Ahead: Future Factors Affecting Law Firm Partner Success</li><li>[47:14] – Private Equity in Law Firms: Curiosity, Due Diligence &amp; Strategic Fit</li><li>[50:17] – The Ripple Effect: Industry Education &amp; PE Realities for Partners</li><li>[52:33] – The Impact of AI: From Super-Specialist Referrals to Strategic Implementation</li><li>[55:41] – Clare’s Final Points: Upcoming Events on Leadership &amp; The Glass Cliff</li><li>[56:08] – Closing Remarks &amp; Thanks</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Clare Murray:</strong></p><ol><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/clare-murray-cm-murrayllp/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/in/clare-murray-cm-murrayllp/</u></a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/cm-murray-llp/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/company/cm-murray-llp/</u></a></li><li>Company’s Website: <a href="https://cm-murray.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>https://cm-murray.com/</u></a></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ol><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</u></a></li><li>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</u></a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</u></a></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ol><li>Website: <a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</u></a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</u></a></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong> </p><ol><li>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> <u>https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</u></a></li><li>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> <u>https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</u></a></li><li>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> <u>https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</u></a></li></ol><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Beyond Billables</em>, host <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>Stephen Rodney</u></a> sits down with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/clare-murray-cm-murrayllp/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>Clare Murray</u></a>, Managing Partner at <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/cm-murray-llp/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>CM Murray LLP</u></a>, to explore what it really takes to build a successful legal practice. From founding her firm after a life-changing health event to leading with vision and heart, Clare shares candid insights into the inner workings of partnership culture, law firm leadership, and the evolving legal landscape. This conversation is a deep dive into how collaboration, accountability, and strategic thinking define success in modern legal practice.</p><p>Clare Murray is the founding partner of CM Murray LLP, a UK-based specialist law firm focused on partnership, employment law, and professional regulation. With over 20 years of leadership, Clare has built a top-ranked practice known for handling complex partnership disputes and advising senior executives and law firms. She is recognised as an Eminent Practitioner and is in the Hall of Fame in major legal directories. Clare also speaks regularly on leadership and law firm strategy, often leading discussions on partner integration, PE investment, and future-proofing law firms.</p><p><br></p><h3><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></h3><ol><li>What truly defines a successful law firm partner beyond billable hours.</li><li>How Clare turned personal adversity into the foundation of a top-tier law firm.</li><li>Why partnership culture and collaboration matter more than ever in legal practice.</li><li>How private equity and AI are reshaping the future of law firms.</li><li>The keys to effective partner integration and the analogy of grafting vines in firm culture.</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><h3><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></h3><ol><li>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li>[00:59] – Welcome to Beyond Billables &amp; Introduction of Clare Murray</li><li>[03:19] – Early Influences: Family Background &amp; Path to Law</li><li>[08:02] – Defining a Successful Partner: Collaboration, Accountability &amp; Resilience</li><li>[12:51] – Remuneration Systems &amp; Their Impact on Firm Culture and Collaboration</li><li>[15:25] – Lateral Hire Integration: Challenges, Optimism &amp; Realistic Expectations</li><li>[19:13] – Rethinking Lateral Hiring: Emphasis on Potential vs. Portable Client Book</li><li>[21:52] – Coaching Laterals: The "Rocket Science" of Basic Practice-Building</li><li>[25:26] – Building a Practice: Internal Networks, Trust &amp; Client Relationships</li><li>[27:00] – The Transition from Jobbing Partner to Leader/Manager</li><li>[30:04] – Leadership Tenure: Term Limits, Trust &amp; Delivering the Vision</li><li>[34:30] – Strategic Growth of CM Murray LLP: Client-Led Expansion &amp; Adjacent Services</li><li>[38:13] – Transformative Experience: The Goldman Sachs 10,000 Small Businesses Program</li><li>[40:00] – Leadership Lesson: The Strength in Seeking External Help</li><li>[43:41] – Critical Success Factors for Laterals: Early Internal Opportunities &amp; Culture</li><li>[46:30] – Looking Ahead: Future Factors Affecting Law Firm Partner Success</li><li>[47:14] – Private Equity in Law Firms: Curiosity, Due Diligence &amp; Strategic Fit</li><li>[50:17] – The Ripple Effect: Industry Education &amp; PE Realities for Partners</li><li>[52:33] – The Impact of AI: From Super-Specialist Referrals to Strategic Implementation</li><li>[55:41] – Clare’s Final Points: Upcoming Events on Leadership &amp; The Glass Cliff</li><li>[56:08] – Closing Remarks &amp; Thanks</li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Clare Murray:</strong></p><ol><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/clare-murray-cm-murrayllp/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/in/clare-murray-cm-murrayllp/</u></a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/cm-murray-llp/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/company/cm-murray-llp/</u></a></li><li>Company’s Website: <a href="https://cm-murray.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>https://cm-murray.com/</u></a></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ol><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</u></a></li><li>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</u></a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</u></a></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ol><li>Website: <a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</u></a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</u></a></li></ol><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong> </p><ol><li>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> <u>https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</u></a></li><li>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> <u>https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</u></a></li><li>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> <u>https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</u></a></li></ol><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://beyond-billables.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">a76ef0db-439c-44c8-8deb-ea33c81a59ea</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/5c52cfad-27db-416c-996e-a175746fde4c/RSS-Beyond-Billables.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2026 10:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/a76ef0db-439c-44c8-8deb-ea33c81a59ea.mp3" length="54819158" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>57:06</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>How Law Firm Partners Succeed by Leading with Culture and Collaboration with David Stewart</title><itunes:title>How Law Firm Partners Succeed by Leading with Culture and Collaboration with David Stewart</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Beyond Billables</em>, host <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a> speaks with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-stewart-7bb2a43/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">David Stewart</a>, Managing Director at <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/coriats/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Coriats Trust Company Limited</a>. From his early legal roots in London to his transformative leadership at Olswang and current work with high-net-worth clients in the Turks and Caicos, David reflects on the dynamics of partnership, leadership, and building a successful career in law. This conversation offers a candid and insightful look at the evolution of law firm culture, the challenges of leadership, and the changing expectations for legal professionals today.</p><p>David Stewart is a seasoned lawyer and former CEO of Olswang, where he led the firm through years of growth and change. Today, he is a partner at Griffiths and Partners (now Dentons) and managing director of Coates Trust Company in the Turks and Caicos. David's career spans decades of practice in litigation and trust management, with a strong focus on collaboration, business development, and supporting high-net-worth families globally.</p><h3>Expect to Learn</h3><ul><li>Why collaboration is at the heart of successful law firm partnerships</li><li>How David transitioned from managing litigation teams to leading entire firms</li><li>What makes a successful lateral hire and why so many fail</li><li>The importance of emotional intelligence and self-awareness in law firm leadership</li><li>How legal careers are evolving in the face of AI and shifting partner expectations</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><h3>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps</h3><ul><li>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li>[00:53] – Welcome &amp; Introduction to Beyond Billables &amp; Guest David Stewart</li><li>[02:06] – David’s Journey to Becoming a Lawyer &amp; Early Career</li><li>[05:06] – The Core Attributes of a Successful Law Firm Partner</li><li>[09:54] – Moving from SJ Berwin to Olswang: Seeking Collaboration</li><li>[11:05] – Culture &amp; Legacy of SJ Berwin Under Stanley Berwin</li><li>[14:31] – Integration Experiences When Moving Law Firms</li><li>[16:54] – Reinvention at Griffiths &amp; Partners in the Turks and Caicos</li><li>[19:25] – Transitioning from Partner to Law Firm Leadership</li><li>[21:31] – Qualities of Successful Law Firm Leaders</li><li>[24:39] – Reflections on Olswang’s Merger with CMS</li><li>[26:10] – Attributes of Success in US vs. UK Law Firms</li><li>[29:53] – Why Lateral Hires Succeed or Fail</li><li>[33:18] – The Insecurity of Law Firm Partners &amp; Importance of Internal Integration</li><li>[35:53] – Early Challenges at Olswang &amp; Building a Litigation Team</li><li>[37:56] – Mentors Who Shaped David’s Career</li><li>[42:33] – David’s Approach to Mentoring Younger Lawyers</li><li>[44:09] – Best &amp; Worst Moments as a Partner</li><li>[48:13] – The Challenges of Leading Olswang &amp; Lessons Learned</li><li>[49:44] – Reflections on What Could Have Been Done Differently</li><li>[51:55] – The Future of Law Firms &amp; the Impact of AI</li><li>[54:49] – David’s Non-Negotiable Behaviours for Success</li><li>[55:37] – One Golden Rule for Being a Successful Partner</li><li>[56:53] – Closing Remarks &amp; Thanks</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with David Stewart:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-stewart-7bb2a43/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-stewart-7bb2a43/</a></li><li>Company’s Website: <a href="https://www.coriats.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.coriats.com/</a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/coriats/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/coriats/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></li><li>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong>&nbsp;</p><ul><li>Spotify: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></li><li>Apple: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></li><li>Youtube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Beyond Billables</em>, host <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a> speaks with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-stewart-7bb2a43/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">David Stewart</a>, Managing Director at <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/coriats/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Coriats Trust Company Limited</a>. From his early legal roots in London to his transformative leadership at Olswang and current work with high-net-worth clients in the Turks and Caicos, David reflects on the dynamics of partnership, leadership, and building a successful career in law. This conversation offers a candid and insightful look at the evolution of law firm culture, the challenges of leadership, and the changing expectations for legal professionals today.</p><p>David Stewart is a seasoned lawyer and former CEO of Olswang, where he led the firm through years of growth and change. Today, he is a partner at Griffiths and Partners (now Dentons) and managing director of Coates Trust Company in the Turks and Caicos. David's career spans decades of practice in litigation and trust management, with a strong focus on collaboration, business development, and supporting high-net-worth families globally.</p><h3>Expect to Learn</h3><ul><li>Why collaboration is at the heart of successful law firm partnerships</li><li>How David transitioned from managing litigation teams to leading entire firms</li><li>What makes a successful lateral hire and why so many fail</li><li>The importance of emotional intelligence and self-awareness in law firm leadership</li><li>How legal careers are evolving in the face of AI and shifting partner expectations</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><h3>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps</h3><ul><li>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li>[00:53] – Welcome &amp; Introduction to Beyond Billables &amp; Guest David Stewart</li><li>[02:06] – David’s Journey to Becoming a Lawyer &amp; Early Career</li><li>[05:06] – The Core Attributes of a Successful Law Firm Partner</li><li>[09:54] – Moving from SJ Berwin to Olswang: Seeking Collaboration</li><li>[11:05] – Culture &amp; Legacy of SJ Berwin Under Stanley Berwin</li><li>[14:31] – Integration Experiences When Moving Law Firms</li><li>[16:54] – Reinvention at Griffiths &amp; Partners in the Turks and Caicos</li><li>[19:25] – Transitioning from Partner to Law Firm Leadership</li><li>[21:31] – Qualities of Successful Law Firm Leaders</li><li>[24:39] – Reflections on Olswang’s Merger with CMS</li><li>[26:10] – Attributes of Success in US vs. UK Law Firms</li><li>[29:53] – Why Lateral Hires Succeed or Fail</li><li>[33:18] – The Insecurity of Law Firm Partners &amp; Importance of Internal Integration</li><li>[35:53] – Early Challenges at Olswang &amp; Building a Litigation Team</li><li>[37:56] – Mentors Who Shaped David’s Career</li><li>[42:33] – David’s Approach to Mentoring Younger Lawyers</li><li>[44:09] – Best &amp; Worst Moments as a Partner</li><li>[48:13] – The Challenges of Leading Olswang &amp; Lessons Learned</li><li>[49:44] – Reflections on What Could Have Been Done Differently</li><li>[51:55] – The Future of Law Firms &amp; the Impact of AI</li><li>[54:49] – David’s Non-Negotiable Behaviours for Success</li><li>[55:37] – One Golden Rule for Being a Successful Partner</li><li>[56:53] – Closing Remarks &amp; Thanks</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with David Stewart:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-stewart-7bb2a43/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-stewart-7bb2a43/</a></li><li>Company’s Website: <a href="https://www.coriats.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.coriats.com/</a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/coriats/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/coriats/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></li><li>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong>&nbsp;</p><ul><li>Spotify: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></li><li>Apple: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></li><li>Youtube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://beyond-billables.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">e551da3f-0174-4106-a49b-3e72464f1607</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/bc341477-c9fa-4501-a4c2-15a89040e830/RSS-BB-DAVID-STEWART.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2025 10:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/e551da3f-0174-4106-a49b-3e72464f1607.mp3" length="55023958" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>57:19</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Law Firm Merger Leadership for Managing Partners to Unite Culture &amp; Drive Change with Philip Rodney</title><itunes:title>Law Firm Merger Leadership for Managing Partners to Unite Culture &amp; Drive Change with Philip Rodney</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Beyond Billables, Stephen Rodney speaks with Philip Rodney, former Chair of Burnes &amp; Co, about his 40-year legal career and leadership journey. From his early days as a litigator to leading the transformation of a mid-market firm into a Scottish powerhouse, Philip shares his insights on what it takes to succeed in law and leadership. He reflects on the importance of integrity, adaptability, and collaboration, while offering valuable advice for both aspiring lawyers and current leaders.</p><p>Philip retired from law in 2018 after leading Burnes through a successful merger, and now advises businesses in various sectors. He also shares his post-law journey, including writing columns for <em>The Times</em> and serving on various boards.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Expect to Learn</strong></p><ul><li>The key attributes for being a successful partner in today’s legal market</li><li>Why adaptability and collaboration are vital for career growth</li><li>Insights on handling firm mergers and integrations</li><li>Lessons on leadership from mentoring and real-life experience</li><li>Advice for transitioning out of law and finding new career paths</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps</strong></p><ul><li>[00:00] - Teaser</li><li>[01:16] – Welcome &amp; Introduction to Philip Rodney</li><li>[06:01] – The Core Attributes of a Successful Law Firm Partner</li><li>[08:57] – Leadership in a Small Firm vs. a Large Firm</li><li>[10:20] – An "Accidental Leader": The Path to Becoming Chair</li><li>[13:56] – Engineering a Transformational Merger with Paull &amp; Williamson</li><li>[16:21] – Handling Merger Integration and "Chocolate Gate"</li><li>[18:16] – Fostering Integration in a Multi-Office Firm</li><li>[20:46] – The Importance of Humility in a Merger</li><li>[23:22] – The Role of Formal Integration Plans for Laterals</li><li>[28:51] – Best and Worst Moments: The Leadership Journey &amp; Recurring Nightmares</li><li>[31:19] – Regrets: Balancing a Demanding Career with Family Life</li><li>[35:11] – Key Mentors and Their Lasting Advice</li><li>[37:53] – The Best Piece of Advice: A Good Leader is Right 7 Times Out of 10</li><li>[41:07] – The Decision to Retire and Go "Cold Turkey"</li><li>[43:26] – Life After Law: Journalism, Boards, and a New Career</li><li>[49:27] – The Pros and Cons of Agile Working</li><li>[51:30] – Three Non-Negotiable Behaviours for Hiring</li><li>[52:50] – The One Golden Rule for a Successful Partner</li><li>[53:37] – Closing Remarks</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></li><li>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong>&nbsp;</p><ul><li>Spotify: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></li><li>Apple: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></li><li>Youtube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Beyond Billables, Stephen Rodney speaks with Philip Rodney, former Chair of Burnes &amp; Co, about his 40-year legal career and leadership journey. From his early days as a litigator to leading the transformation of a mid-market firm into a Scottish powerhouse, Philip shares his insights on what it takes to succeed in law and leadership. He reflects on the importance of integrity, adaptability, and collaboration, while offering valuable advice for both aspiring lawyers and current leaders.</p><p>Philip retired from law in 2018 after leading Burnes through a successful merger, and now advises businesses in various sectors. He also shares his post-law journey, including writing columns for <em>The Times</em> and serving on various boards.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Expect to Learn</strong></p><ul><li>The key attributes for being a successful partner in today’s legal market</li><li>Why adaptability and collaboration are vital for career growth</li><li>Insights on handling firm mergers and integrations</li><li>Lessons on leadership from mentoring and real-life experience</li><li>Advice for transitioning out of law and finding new career paths</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps</strong></p><ul><li>[00:00] - Teaser</li><li>[01:16] – Welcome &amp; Introduction to Philip Rodney</li><li>[06:01] – The Core Attributes of a Successful Law Firm Partner</li><li>[08:57] – Leadership in a Small Firm vs. a Large Firm</li><li>[10:20] – An "Accidental Leader": The Path to Becoming Chair</li><li>[13:56] – Engineering a Transformational Merger with Paull &amp; Williamson</li><li>[16:21] – Handling Merger Integration and "Chocolate Gate"</li><li>[18:16] – Fostering Integration in a Multi-Office Firm</li><li>[20:46] – The Importance of Humility in a Merger</li><li>[23:22] – The Role of Formal Integration Plans for Laterals</li><li>[28:51] – Best and Worst Moments: The Leadership Journey &amp; Recurring Nightmares</li><li>[31:19] – Regrets: Balancing a Demanding Career with Family Life</li><li>[35:11] – Key Mentors and Their Lasting Advice</li><li>[37:53] – The Best Piece of Advice: A Good Leader is Right 7 Times Out of 10</li><li>[41:07] – The Decision to Retire and Go "Cold Turkey"</li><li>[43:26] – Life After Law: Journalism, Boards, and a New Career</li><li>[49:27] – The Pros and Cons of Agile Working</li><li>[51:30] – Three Non-Negotiable Behaviours for Hiring</li><li>[52:50] – The One Golden Rule for a Successful Partner</li><li>[53:37] – Closing Remarks</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></li><li>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong>&nbsp;</p><ul><li>Spotify: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></li><li>Apple: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></li><li>Youtube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://beyond-billables.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">2370ad4e-af43-4718-8193-6c603270e8c4</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/b68367fd-f03e-4a4f-90f1-37a281821213/RSS-Beyond-Billables-PHILIP-RODNEY.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2025 10:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/2370ad4e-af43-4718-8193-6c603270e8c4.mp3" length="51903475" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>54:04</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>How Law Firm Partners Succeed by Leading Teams, Balancing Family &amp; Growing Strategy with Sarah Lee</title><itunes:title>How Law Firm Partners Succeed by Leading Teams, Balancing Family &amp; Growing Strategy with Sarah Lee</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Beyond Billables</em>, host <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a> speaks with <a href="https://SarahLee" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sarah Lee</a>, former Head of Disputes and Investigations at <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/slaughter-and-may/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Slaughter and May</a>, about her journey through the legal profession and what it takes to become a successful partner. Drawing from over two decades at one of the UK’s top firms, Sarah reflects on the evolving nature of leadership, diversity, and culture in law. From career pivots to life after partnership, she shares lessons that go beyond the billables.</p><p>Sarah Lee spent 21 years as a partner at Slaughter and May, where she led the Disputes and Investigations Group and served on the firm’s Partnership Board. A trailblazer in diversity, she was also the firm’s first partner responsible for inclusion and held influential roles in legal recruitment and judicial appointments. Now retired from practice, she holds multiple non-executive and advisory positions across the public and non-profit sectors.</p><p><strong>Expect to Learn</strong></p><ul><li>How career detours can lead to lasting success in law</li><li>What makes a successful law firm partner in today’s landscape</li><li>The real impact of leadership roles on personal growth</li><li>Why adaptability and openness are critical to legal careers</li><li>How to plan and transition smoothly into life beyond law</li></ul><br/><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps</strong></p><ul><li>[00:00] - Teaser</li><li>[00:54] - Introduction: Welcoming Sarah Lee</li><li>[02:10] - Sarah's Unconventional Journey to Law</li><li>[05:41] - Defining a Successful Partner's Attributes</li><li>[10:33] - The Transition and Reality of Being a Partner</li><li>[16:30] - The Juggling Act of Management and Client Work</li><li>[18:25] - Identifying Future Talent and the Importance of Resilience</li><li>[21:36] - Firm Culture, Meritocracy, and Evolution on Diversity</li><li>[26:25] - Stepping into Leadership: Becoming Head of Department</li><li>[30:34] - The Success of Lateral Associates and Cultural Adaptation</li><li>[37:55] - Best and Worst Moments of Partnership</li><li>[41:47] - Reflections: What to Do Differently and Key Mentors</li><li>[47:37] - Off-Ramping: Using External Roles to Transition</li><li>[51:30] - Advice for Planning a Life Beyond Partnership</li><li>[54:40] - One Golden Rule for a Successful Partner</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Sarah Lee:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-lee-a0a2a21b7/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-lee-a0a2a21b7/&nbsp;</a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/rare-technology-linkedin/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/rare-technology-linkedin/</a></li><li>2nd Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/smart-works-charity/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/smart-works-charity/</a></li><li>3rd Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/slaughter-and-may/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/slaughter-and-may/</a></li><li>4th Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/islington-giving/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/islington-giving/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></li><li>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong>&nbsp;</p><ul><li>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></li><li>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></li><li>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Beyond Billables</em>, host <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a> speaks with <a href="https://SarahLee" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sarah Lee</a>, former Head of Disputes and Investigations at <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/slaughter-and-may/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Slaughter and May</a>, about her journey through the legal profession and what it takes to become a successful partner. Drawing from over two decades at one of the UK’s top firms, Sarah reflects on the evolving nature of leadership, diversity, and culture in law. From career pivots to life after partnership, she shares lessons that go beyond the billables.</p><p>Sarah Lee spent 21 years as a partner at Slaughter and May, where she led the Disputes and Investigations Group and served on the firm’s Partnership Board. A trailblazer in diversity, she was also the firm’s first partner responsible for inclusion and held influential roles in legal recruitment and judicial appointments. Now retired from practice, she holds multiple non-executive and advisory positions across the public and non-profit sectors.</p><p><strong>Expect to Learn</strong></p><ul><li>How career detours can lead to lasting success in law</li><li>What makes a successful law firm partner in today’s landscape</li><li>The real impact of leadership roles on personal growth</li><li>Why adaptability and openness are critical to legal careers</li><li>How to plan and transition smoothly into life beyond law</li></ul><br/><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps</strong></p><ul><li>[00:00] - Teaser</li><li>[00:54] - Introduction: Welcoming Sarah Lee</li><li>[02:10] - Sarah's Unconventional Journey to Law</li><li>[05:41] - Defining a Successful Partner's Attributes</li><li>[10:33] - The Transition and Reality of Being a Partner</li><li>[16:30] - The Juggling Act of Management and Client Work</li><li>[18:25] - Identifying Future Talent and the Importance of Resilience</li><li>[21:36] - Firm Culture, Meritocracy, and Evolution on Diversity</li><li>[26:25] - Stepping into Leadership: Becoming Head of Department</li><li>[30:34] - The Success of Lateral Associates and Cultural Adaptation</li><li>[37:55] - Best and Worst Moments of Partnership</li><li>[41:47] - Reflections: What to Do Differently and Key Mentors</li><li>[47:37] - Off-Ramping: Using External Roles to Transition</li><li>[51:30] - Advice for Planning a Life Beyond Partnership</li><li>[54:40] - One Golden Rule for a Successful Partner</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Sarah Lee:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-lee-a0a2a21b7/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-lee-a0a2a21b7/&nbsp;</a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/rare-technology-linkedin/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/rare-technology-linkedin/</a></li><li>2nd Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/smart-works-charity/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/smart-works-charity/</a></li><li>3rd Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/slaughter-and-may/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/slaughter-and-may/</a></li><li>4th Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/islington-giving/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/islington-giving/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></li><li>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong>&nbsp;</p><ul><li>Spotify:<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></li><li>Apple:<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></li><li>Youtube:<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://beyond-billables.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">56bd0916-1c18-41c3-acfa-f17ce5bfe621</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/ee2d17d0-25b4-4680-b8fa-6a023da39b42/RSS-Beyond-Billables-Sarah-Lee.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2025 10:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/56bd0916-1c18-41c3-acfa-f17ce5bfe621.mp3" length="83950286" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>58:18</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>How Law Firm Partners Really Succeed by Leading Teams and Owning Responsibility with Sarah Rees</title><itunes:title>How Law Firm Partners Really Succeed by Leading Teams and Owning Responsibility with Sarah Rees</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, host <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a> sits down with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-rees-5ba93211/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sarah Rees</a>, a leading partner in the commercial litigation team at <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/blake-morgan-llp/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Blake Morgan</a>, who shares her journey from trainee to partner. She reflects on key leadership lessons, navigating the challenges of work-life balance, and the future of law firms in an evolving legal world. With decades of experience, Sarah offers invaluable insights into managing teams, integrating laterals, and what makes a successful law firm partner.</p><p>Sarah Rees is a respected partner at Blake Morgan, a prominent national law firm, where she leads the commercial litigation team in London. With a career spanning over three decades, Sarah has played a pivotal role in the growth and success of her team, earning recognition as a leading partner in her field. She is also an elected member of Blake Morgan’s Strategy Board, where she contributes to the firm’s direction and development. Known for her practical approach to leadership and deep commitment to mentoring future legal talent, Sarah continues to shape the next generation of lawyers while actively promoting a balanced, inclusive work culture.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></p><ul><li>The critical skills of successful law firm partners beyond just billables</li><li>The importance of teamwork in litigation and leadership</li><li>The impact of agile working on work-life balance</li><li>How AI and evolving business models are shaping the future of law firms</li><li>Mentoring the next generation of successful partners</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></p><ul><li>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li>[01:26] – Welcome to Beyond Billables &amp; Introduction of Sarah Rees</li><li>[04:41] – The Three T’s: Tenacious, Tough, Team Player</li><li>[06:56] – Why Litigation Can Be More Forgiving for Working Parents</li><li>[10:44] – Partnership: The Beginning of Responsibility, Not the End Goal</li><li>[12:32] – The Transition from 'Jobbing Partner' to Law Firm Leader</li><li>[16:27] – The Board Election Process: Manifestos and Campaigning</li><li>[18:23] – Best and Worst Moments as a Partner</li><li>[19:52] – The Transformational Impact of Agile Working</li><li>[21:49] – The Pitfalls of Mandating Office Attendance</li><li>[22:56] – Sarah's Experience with Lateral Integration via Mergers</li><li>[27:39] – The Realities of Internal Integration for New Hires</li><li>[30:35] – Making Friends with Clients: A Litigator's Strategy</li><li>[32:11] – How Strong Client Relationships Build a Competitive Advantage</li><li>[36:26] – Future Factors for Success: Agile Working, AI, and Firm Consolidation</li><li>[39:26] – The Rise of Boutiques and New Law Firms like Keystone</li><li>[41:39] – Three Non-Negotiable Behaviours for Team Success</li><li>[42:53] – One Golden Rule for a Successful Partner: Just Keep Going</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Sarah Rees:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-rees-5ba93211/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-rees-5ba93211/</a></li><li>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><a href="https://www.blakemorgan.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.blakemorgan.co.uk/</a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/blake-morgan-llp/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/blake-morgan-llp/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></li><li>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong>&nbsp;</p><ul><li>Spotify: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></li><li>Apple: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></li><li>Youtube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, host <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a> sits down with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-rees-5ba93211/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sarah Rees</a>, a leading partner in the commercial litigation team at <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/blake-morgan-llp/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Blake Morgan</a>, who shares her journey from trainee to partner. She reflects on key leadership lessons, navigating the challenges of work-life balance, and the future of law firms in an evolving legal world. With decades of experience, Sarah offers invaluable insights into managing teams, integrating laterals, and what makes a successful law firm partner.</p><p>Sarah Rees is a respected partner at Blake Morgan, a prominent national law firm, where she leads the commercial litigation team in London. With a career spanning over three decades, Sarah has played a pivotal role in the growth and success of her team, earning recognition as a leading partner in her field. She is also an elected member of Blake Morgan’s Strategy Board, where she contributes to the firm’s direction and development. Known for her practical approach to leadership and deep commitment to mentoring future legal talent, Sarah continues to shape the next generation of lawyers while actively promoting a balanced, inclusive work culture.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></p><ul><li>The critical skills of successful law firm partners beyond just billables</li><li>The importance of teamwork in litigation and leadership</li><li>The impact of agile working on work-life balance</li><li>How AI and evolving business models are shaping the future of law firms</li><li>Mentoring the next generation of successful partners</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></p><ul><li>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li>[01:26] – Welcome to Beyond Billables &amp; Introduction of Sarah Rees</li><li>[04:41] – The Three T’s: Tenacious, Tough, Team Player</li><li>[06:56] – Why Litigation Can Be More Forgiving for Working Parents</li><li>[10:44] – Partnership: The Beginning of Responsibility, Not the End Goal</li><li>[12:32] – The Transition from 'Jobbing Partner' to Law Firm Leader</li><li>[16:27] – The Board Election Process: Manifestos and Campaigning</li><li>[18:23] – Best and Worst Moments as a Partner</li><li>[19:52] – The Transformational Impact of Agile Working</li><li>[21:49] – The Pitfalls of Mandating Office Attendance</li><li>[22:56] – Sarah's Experience with Lateral Integration via Mergers</li><li>[27:39] – The Realities of Internal Integration for New Hires</li><li>[30:35] – Making Friends with Clients: A Litigator's Strategy</li><li>[32:11] – How Strong Client Relationships Build a Competitive Advantage</li><li>[36:26] – Future Factors for Success: Agile Working, AI, and Firm Consolidation</li><li>[39:26] – The Rise of Boutiques and New Law Firms like Keystone</li><li>[41:39] – Three Non-Negotiable Behaviours for Team Success</li><li>[42:53] – One Golden Rule for a Successful Partner: Just Keep Going</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Sarah Rees:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-rees-5ba93211/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-rees-5ba93211/</a></li><li>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><a href="https://www.blakemorgan.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.blakemorgan.co.uk/</a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/blake-morgan-llp/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/blake-morgan-llp/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></li><li>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong>&nbsp;</p><ul><li>Spotify: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></li><li>Apple: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></li><li>Youtube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://beyond-billables.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">e4429423-226f-4ccb-aadf-abc26c3c40b9</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/c7dbbc52-eb2c-4d8b-9c60-5b8d753d39a3/RSS-Beyond-Billables-Sarah-Rees.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2025 10:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/e4429423-226f-4ccb-aadf-abc26c3c40b9.mp3" length="63531019" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>42:33</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>How Senior Lawyers Succeed in Big Law by Mastering Integration and Politics with John Balsdon</title><itunes:title>How Senior Lawyers Succeed in Big Law by Mastering Integration and Politics with John Balsdon</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, host <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a> sits down with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnbalsdon/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">John Balsdon</a>, a former senior partner at Latham &amp; Watkins and a seasoned leader in the energy and infrastructure project finance sector. John discusses his dynamic legal career, from his early days as a partner to his decision to retire and pursue a passion for photography. He shares invaluable insights into what it takes to be a successful law firm partner, leadership qualities, and the importance of emotional intelligence (EQ) in building strong professional relationships.</p><p>John also reflects on the significant moments that shaped his career, including his experience managing global projects, dealing with client relationships, and navigating the ever-evolving legal landscape. He gives an inside look at his journey from Moscow to London and his transition from practice to retirement.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></p><ul><li>Key attributes that contribute to success as a law firm partner</li><li>The role of EQ in leadership and client relations</li><li>Lessons learned from high-stakes moments in law practice</li><li>Insights into navigating lateral moves and transitioning between law firms</li><li>John's thoughts on the future of law, AI integration, and agile working</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></p><ul><li>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li>[01:11] – Introduction to John Balsdon and His Legal Career</li><li>[02:52] – The Accidental Lawyer: John's Unconventional Start</li><li>[04:19] – The Sink-or-Swim Opportunity in Moscow</li><li>[06:21] – The Three Key Attributes of a Successful Partner</li><li>[09:43] – Learning the Importance of Cross-Selling in Moscow</li><li>[11:42] – How to Inspire Teams and Take Responsibility</li><li>[13:53] – The Brutal Art of Client Prioritization</li><li>[15:39] – Why Moscow Was Essential for His Career Survival</li><li>[18:47] – The Difficulties of Returning to London and Integrating</li><li>[22:24] – Pivoting a Practice to Fit a New Firm's Culture</li><li>[26:31] – Adapting to the High-Stakes Platform at Latham &amp; Watkins</li><li>[29:01] – A Lesson in Pivoting from the 1998 Russian Default</li><li>[32:31] – Why Lateral Hires Fail: Ego vs. Curiosity</li><li>[36:47] – How Origination Credit Really Works at a US Firm</li><li>[40:41] – Best and Worst Moments: Growing Talent vs. Being Thrown Under the Bus</li><li>[44:04] – Reflections and Regrets: Work-Life Balance and Early Ego</li><li>[48:37] – The Future of Law: The Impact of AI and Agile Working</li><li>[53:07] – Planning the Off-Ramp: From Law Partner to Photographer</li><li>[58:24] – Three Non-Negotiable Behaviors for a Successful Team</li><li>[58:40] – The Golden Rule for Success: Be Authentic</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with John Balsdon:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnbalsdon/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnbalsdon/</a></li><li>Company’s Website: <a href="https://alwayslooktwice.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://alwayslooktwice.com/</a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/always-look-twice/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/always-look-twice/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></li><li>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong>&nbsp;</p><ul><li>Spotify: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></li><li>Apple: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></li><li>Youtube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, host <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a> sits down with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnbalsdon/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">John Balsdon</a>, a former senior partner at Latham &amp; Watkins and a seasoned leader in the energy and infrastructure project finance sector. John discusses his dynamic legal career, from his early days as a partner to his decision to retire and pursue a passion for photography. He shares invaluable insights into what it takes to be a successful law firm partner, leadership qualities, and the importance of emotional intelligence (EQ) in building strong professional relationships.</p><p>John also reflects on the significant moments that shaped his career, including his experience managing global projects, dealing with client relationships, and navigating the ever-evolving legal landscape. He gives an inside look at his journey from Moscow to London and his transition from practice to retirement.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></p><ul><li>Key attributes that contribute to success as a law firm partner</li><li>The role of EQ in leadership and client relations</li><li>Lessons learned from high-stakes moments in law practice</li><li>Insights into navigating lateral moves and transitioning between law firms</li><li>John's thoughts on the future of law, AI integration, and agile working</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></p><ul><li>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li>[01:11] – Introduction to John Balsdon and His Legal Career</li><li>[02:52] – The Accidental Lawyer: John's Unconventional Start</li><li>[04:19] – The Sink-or-Swim Opportunity in Moscow</li><li>[06:21] – The Three Key Attributes of a Successful Partner</li><li>[09:43] – Learning the Importance of Cross-Selling in Moscow</li><li>[11:42] – How to Inspire Teams and Take Responsibility</li><li>[13:53] – The Brutal Art of Client Prioritization</li><li>[15:39] – Why Moscow Was Essential for His Career Survival</li><li>[18:47] – The Difficulties of Returning to London and Integrating</li><li>[22:24] – Pivoting a Practice to Fit a New Firm's Culture</li><li>[26:31] – Adapting to the High-Stakes Platform at Latham &amp; Watkins</li><li>[29:01] – A Lesson in Pivoting from the 1998 Russian Default</li><li>[32:31] – Why Lateral Hires Fail: Ego vs. Curiosity</li><li>[36:47] – How Origination Credit Really Works at a US Firm</li><li>[40:41] – Best and Worst Moments: Growing Talent vs. Being Thrown Under the Bus</li><li>[44:04] – Reflections and Regrets: Work-Life Balance and Early Ego</li><li>[48:37] – The Future of Law: The Impact of AI and Agile Working</li><li>[53:07] – Planning the Off-Ramp: From Law Partner to Photographer</li><li>[58:24] – Three Non-Negotiable Behaviors for a Successful Team</li><li>[58:40] – The Golden Rule for Success: Be Authentic</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with John Balsdon:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnbalsdon/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnbalsdon/</a></li><li>Company’s Website: <a href="https://alwayslooktwice.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://alwayslooktwice.com/</a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/always-look-twice/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/always-look-twice/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></li><li>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Listening Links:</strong>&nbsp;</p><ul><li>Spotify: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/5itRkdqnE9iUG7XuVXfur9?si=cd8ec898274442d9&amp;nd=1&amp;dlsi=6ff13118ea1a44b4</a></li><li>Apple: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-billables-lessons-from-top-law-firm-partners/id1847593311</a></li><li>Youtube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@StephenRodney-i8l</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://beyond-billables.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">77949d54-fd65-4020-9e28-ea760bd2f4ea</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/dd1ca596-49aa-43e4-bf77-2851b181e512/RSS-Beyond-Billables-John-Balsdon.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2025 10:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/77949d54-fd65-4020-9e28-ea760bd2f4ea.mp3" length="57013862" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>59:23</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>The Lateral Moves in the Law for Partners to Avoid Career Failure &amp; Build Success with Simon Bushell</title><itunes:title>The Lateral Moves in the Law for Partners to Avoid Career Failure &amp; Build Success with Simon Bushell</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Beyond Billables</em>, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a> is joined by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonbushellseladore/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Simon Bushell</a>, the Founding Partner at <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/seladore-legal/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Seladore Legal</a>, a conflict-free litigation boutique. Simon shares his journey through top UK and US law firms before founding his own firm. With over 30 years of experience in commercial litigation and fraud cases, Simon discusses the key attributes of successful law firm partners, the challenges of integrating into different firm cultures, and the unique skills required for litigators and transactional lawyers. This episode offers a wealth of insights for anyone in the legal field, especially those looking to understand the transition to partnership and leadership.</p><p><strong>Expect to Learn</strong>:</p><ul><li>What it takes to become a successful partner and remain one</li><li>How drive, ambition, and firm culture shape a partner's career</li><li>The importance of client relationships and understanding firm dynamics</li><li>Why transitioning to a boutique litigation firm requires different skills</li><li>How to build a successful legal team and avoid common integration pitfalls</li><li>The role of emotional intelligence and psychology in successful litigation</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps</strong>:</p><ul><li><strong>[00:00]</strong> - Introduction to Simon’s Career</li><li><strong>[02:59]</strong> - What Defines a Successful Partner</li><li><strong>[04:47]</strong> - The Role of Drive and Background</li><li><strong>[06:42]</strong> - Differences in Firm Cultures</li><li><strong>[09:37]</strong> - Integration Challenges in New Firms</li><li><strong>[12:33]</strong> - Attributes for Litigators vs. Transactional Lawyers</li><li><strong>[16:45]</strong> - Building Celador Legal</li><li><strong>[21:28]</strong> - Best and Worst Moments as a Partner</li><li><strong>[23:54]</strong> - Mentorship, Negotiation &amp; Team Building</li><li><strong>[31:04]</strong> - Lateral Moves and Misalignments</li><li><strong>[41:22]</strong> - The Future with AI and Confidentiality Risks</li><li><strong>[46:42]</strong> - Final Golden Rule</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Simon Bushell:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonbushellseladore/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonbushellseladore/</a></li><li>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><a href="https://seladorelegal.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://seladorelegal.com/</a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/seladore-legal/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/seladore-legal/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></li><li>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Beyond Billables</em>, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a> is joined by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonbushellseladore/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Simon Bushell</a>, the Founding Partner at <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/seladore-legal/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Seladore Legal</a>, a conflict-free litigation boutique. Simon shares his journey through top UK and US law firms before founding his own firm. With over 30 years of experience in commercial litigation and fraud cases, Simon discusses the key attributes of successful law firm partners, the challenges of integrating into different firm cultures, and the unique skills required for litigators and transactional lawyers. This episode offers a wealth of insights for anyone in the legal field, especially those looking to understand the transition to partnership and leadership.</p><p><strong>Expect to Learn</strong>:</p><ul><li>What it takes to become a successful partner and remain one</li><li>How drive, ambition, and firm culture shape a partner's career</li><li>The importance of client relationships and understanding firm dynamics</li><li>Why transitioning to a boutique litigation firm requires different skills</li><li>How to build a successful legal team and avoid common integration pitfalls</li><li>The role of emotional intelligence and psychology in successful litigation</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps</strong>:</p><ul><li><strong>[00:00]</strong> - Introduction to Simon’s Career</li><li><strong>[02:59]</strong> - What Defines a Successful Partner</li><li><strong>[04:47]</strong> - The Role of Drive and Background</li><li><strong>[06:42]</strong> - Differences in Firm Cultures</li><li><strong>[09:37]</strong> - Integration Challenges in New Firms</li><li><strong>[12:33]</strong> - Attributes for Litigators vs. Transactional Lawyers</li><li><strong>[16:45]</strong> - Building Celador Legal</li><li><strong>[21:28]</strong> - Best and Worst Moments as a Partner</li><li><strong>[23:54]</strong> - Mentorship, Negotiation &amp; Team Building</li><li><strong>[31:04]</strong> - Lateral Moves and Misalignments</li><li><strong>[41:22]</strong> - The Future with AI and Confidentiality Risks</li><li><strong>[46:42]</strong> - Final Golden Rule</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Simon Bushell:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonbushellseladore/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonbushellseladore/</a></li><li>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><a href="https://seladorelegal.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://seladorelegal.com/</a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/seladore-legal/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/seladore-legal/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></li><li>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://beyond-billables.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">2fb5e520-6520-438d-9e41-803a2cd17e20</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/5cedfea7-1ab9-41cd-a7d5-297b5ded51ee/RSS-Beyond-Billables.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2025 10:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/2fb5e520-6520-438d-9e41-803a2cd17e20.mp3" length="83420821" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>55:10</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>The Law Firm Success Formula for Senior Lawyers to Lead with Culture over Star Power - Karen Seward</title><itunes:title>The Law Firm Success Formula for Senior Lawyers to Lead with Culture over Star Power - Karen Seward</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, host <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a> sits down with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sewardkaren/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Karen Seward</a>, Director at Seward Advisory Limited, who has held influential leadership positions throughout her legal career. Karen offers a candid and insightful reflection on what it takes to succeed<strong> </strong>in Big Law from succeeding as a partner to navigating leadership and cultural integration. With firsthand experience leading offices, shaping global strategies, and mentoring future leaders, Karen shares critical lessons on values, resilience, and reinvention in the evolving legal landscape.</p><p><strong>Karen Seward</strong> recently retired from A&amp;O Shearman after over 20 years of service, including roles as Global Head of Litigation, Co-Chair Americas, and Executive Committee member. Known for her culture-first leadership, Karen led the firm’s expansion on the U.S. West Coast and played a key role in the merger with Shearman &amp; Sterling. Now a qualified coach and founder of Seward Advisory, she continues to advise leaders and sits on nonprofit boards focused on the arts and education.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></p><ul><li>The essential traits of successful law firm partners beyond just billing</li><li>How emotional intelligence and pragmatism define modern legal leadership</li><li>Why integration is key for lateral partners and what often goes wrong</li><li>Insights into cultural transformation in global law firms</li><li>What the future of legal work looks like—from hybrid challenges to Gen Z expectations</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></p><ul><li>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li>[01:12] – Welcome to Beyond Billables Podcast</li><li>[02:58] – Karen's Journey from a Shipyard Town to Law Firm Partner</li><li>[07:05] – Key Attributes for a Partner: Client Focus and Courage</li><li>[10:10] – The Leader's Shadow: From Eclipse to Partial Shade</li><li>[13:24] – The Challenge of Lateral Hire Integration and "Reading the Air"</li><li>[19:01] – Building US Offices and Uniting Global Cultures</li><li>[24:44] – The Transition from Practitioner to Law Firm Leader</li><li>[28:14] – Running for Managing Partner and Self-Reflection on Failure</li><li>[35:33] – High-Profile Case: Chasing Stolen Trading Algorithms</li><li>[46:01] – Future Factors for Firm Success: Complexity and Stakeholder Demands</li><li>[49:39] – Life After Law: Coaching, Boards, and Designing a New Career</li><li>[52:02] – One Golden Rule for Being a Successful Partner: Courage</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Karen Seward:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sewardkaren/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/sewardkaren/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></li><li>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, host <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephen Rodney</a> sits down with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sewardkaren/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Karen Seward</a>, Director at Seward Advisory Limited, who has held influential leadership positions throughout her legal career. Karen offers a candid and insightful reflection on what it takes to succeed<strong> </strong>in Big Law from succeeding as a partner to navigating leadership and cultural integration. With firsthand experience leading offices, shaping global strategies, and mentoring future leaders, Karen shares critical lessons on values, resilience, and reinvention in the evolving legal landscape.</p><p><strong>Karen Seward</strong> recently retired from A&amp;O Shearman after over 20 years of service, including roles as Global Head of Litigation, Co-Chair Americas, and Executive Committee member. Known for her culture-first leadership, Karen led the firm’s expansion on the U.S. West Coast and played a key role in the merger with Shearman &amp; Sterling. Now a qualified coach and founder of Seward Advisory, she continues to advise leaders and sits on nonprofit boards focused on the arts and education.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></p><ul><li>The essential traits of successful law firm partners beyond just billing</li><li>How emotional intelligence and pragmatism define modern legal leadership</li><li>Why integration is key for lateral partners and what often goes wrong</li><li>Insights into cultural transformation in global law firms</li><li>What the future of legal work looks like—from hybrid challenges to Gen Z expectations</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></p><ul><li>[00:00] – Teaser</li><li>[01:12] – Welcome to Beyond Billables Podcast</li><li>[02:58] – Karen's Journey from a Shipyard Town to Law Firm Partner</li><li>[07:05] – Key Attributes for a Partner: Client Focus and Courage</li><li>[10:10] – The Leader's Shadow: From Eclipse to Partial Shade</li><li>[13:24] – The Challenge of Lateral Hire Integration and "Reading the Air"</li><li>[19:01] – Building US Offices and Uniting Global Cultures</li><li>[24:44] – The Transition from Practitioner to Law Firm Leader</li><li>[28:14] – Running for Managing Partner and Self-Reflection on Failure</li><li>[35:33] – High-Profile Case: Chasing Stolen Trading Algorithms</li><li>[46:01] – Future Factors for Firm Success: Complexity and Stakeholder Demands</li><li>[49:39] – Life After Law: Coaching, Boards, and Designing a New Career</li><li>[52:02] – One Golden Rule for Being a Successful Partner: Courage</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Karen Seward:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sewardkaren/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/sewardkaren/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></li><li>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://beyond-billables.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">70be3e89-3938-4703-ac7f-ecc2eaedbc34</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23c6dac6-38cf-4381-9bd7-0e6f013f657c/RSS-Beyond-Billables-Karen-Seward.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2025 10:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/70be3e89-3938-4703-ac7f-ecc2eaedbc34.mp3" length="78880487" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>53:21</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>How Law Partners Succeed Beyond Billables by Mastering EQ and Leadership with Simon Levine</title><itunes:title>How Law Partners Succeed Beyond Billables by Mastering EQ and Leadership with Simon Levine</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this debut episode of <em>Beyond Billables</em>, host <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Stephen Rodney</strong></a> is joined by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonlevine/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Simon Levine</strong></a>, Strategic Innovation Partner and Global co-CEO and Managing<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/4422/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a>Partner at <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/dla-piper/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>DLA Piper</strong></a>. With over 30 years of experience in the legal industry, Simon discusses his journey from making partner to leading one of the largest global law firms. He shares valuable insights on leadership, the qualities needed to be a successful partner, and how law firm culture impacts both personal and professional growth. Simon also reflects on his experiences with lateral moves and the evolving role of technology in the legal industry.</p><p>Simon’s journey into law began with a passion for history and a love for the dramatic side of legal careers. His drive and ambition took him through top law firms, ultimately leading him to become Managing Partner and Global CEO of DLA Piper. Specializing in commercial litigation, intellectual property, and media law, Simon has worked with high-profile clients in entertainment and tech.</p><p><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></p><ul><li>The core attributes required to be a successful law firm partner</li><li>The role of emotional intelligence and authenticity in leadership</li><li>Key insights into integrating into new law firm environments</li><li>How resilience and adaptability are crucial in today’s legal landscape</li><li>The future of law firms, including AI integration and new business models</li></ul><br/><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></p><ul><li>[00:00] - Opening Thoughts on the Changing Legal Landscape</li><li>[00:25] - Introduction of Simon Levine and Career Overview</li><li>[03:01] - Simon’s Path to Becoming a Law Firm Partner</li><li>[06:01] - What Makes a Successful Partner Beyond Billing</li><li>[08:21] - Learning Leadership and Building Relationships</li><li>[12:24] - Simon’s First Leadership Role and Career Progression</li><li>[14:41] - Transitioning from Partner to Leader: Key Attributes</li><li>[17:31] - Emotional Intelligence and Authenticity in Leadership</li><li>[24:07] - Simon’s Best and Worst Moments as a Partner</li><li>[32:30] - Lateral Moves and the Importance of Integration</li><li>[39:16] - Why Some Lateral Hires Succeed or Fail</li><li>[46:05] - Leadership Lessons and the Importance of Legacy</li><li>[49:16] - Future Skills for Partners in a Changing Legal Sector</li><li>[53:00] - Non-Negotiable Behaviours and Simon’s Golden Rule</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Simon Levine:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonlevine/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonlevine/</a></li><li>Company’s Website: <a href="https://www.shoosmiths.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.shoosmiths.com/</a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/shoosmiths/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/shoosmiths/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></li><li>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this debut episode of <em>Beyond Billables</em>, host <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Stephen Rodney</strong></a> is joined by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonlevine/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Simon Levine</strong></a>, Strategic Innovation Partner and Global co-CEO and Managing<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/4422/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a>Partner at <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/dla-piper/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>DLA Piper</strong></a>. With over 30 years of experience in the legal industry, Simon discusses his journey from making partner to leading one of the largest global law firms. He shares valuable insights on leadership, the qualities needed to be a successful partner, and how law firm culture impacts both personal and professional growth. Simon also reflects on his experiences with lateral moves and the evolving role of technology in the legal industry.</p><p>Simon’s journey into law began with a passion for history and a love for the dramatic side of legal careers. His drive and ambition took him through top law firms, ultimately leading him to become Managing Partner and Global CEO of DLA Piper. Specializing in commercial litigation, intellectual property, and media law, Simon has worked with high-profile clients in entertainment and tech.</p><p><strong>Expect to Learn:</strong></p><ul><li>The core attributes required to be a successful law firm partner</li><li>The role of emotional intelligence and authenticity in leadership</li><li>Key insights into integrating into new law firm environments</li><li>How resilience and adaptability are crucial in today’s legal landscape</li><li>The future of law firms, including AI integration and new business models</li></ul><br/><p><strong>Episode Breakdown with Timestamps:</strong></p><ul><li>[00:00] - Opening Thoughts on the Changing Legal Landscape</li><li>[00:25] - Introduction of Simon Levine and Career Overview</li><li>[03:01] - Simon’s Path to Becoming a Law Firm Partner</li><li>[06:01] - What Makes a Successful Partner Beyond Billing</li><li>[08:21] - Learning Leadership and Building Relationships</li><li>[12:24] - Simon’s First Leadership Role and Career Progression</li><li>[14:41] - Transitioning from Partner to Leader: Key Attributes</li><li>[17:31] - Emotional Intelligence and Authenticity in Leadership</li><li>[24:07] - Simon’s Best and Worst Moments as a Partner</li><li>[32:30] - Lateral Moves and the Importance of Integration</li><li>[39:16] - Why Some Lateral Hires Succeed or Fail</li><li>[46:05] - Leadership Lessons and the Importance of Legacy</li><li>[49:16] - Future Skills for Partners in a Changing Legal Sector</li><li>[53:00] - Non-Negotiable Behaviours and Simon’s Golden Rule</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Simon Levine:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonlevine/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonlevine/</a></li><li>Company’s Website: <a href="https://www.shoosmiths.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.shoosmiths.com/</a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/shoosmiths/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/shoosmiths/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Stephen Rodney:</strong></p><ul><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmrodney/</a></li><li>Company’s Website:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/booxkeepingfranchise/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>Company’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with IntoGreat Coaching:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.intogreatcoaching.co.uk/</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intogreat-coaching/</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://beyond-billables.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">f746eb85-1b2f-4e2a-b15b-b83f8dca4b6e</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/51b054e4-ea78-4976-94fe-5039b5458ff8/RSS-Beyond-Billables-V1-1.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2025 10:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/f746eb85-1b2f-4e2a-b15b-b83f8dca4b6e.mp3" length="80059781" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>54:31</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>New Episode Coming Soon!</title><itunes:title>New Episode Coming Soon!</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to Beyond Billables, the essential podcast for law firm leaders where host Stephen Rodney, founder of Intogreat Coaching, tackles the critical challenge: The Integration Gap.</p><p>Why do new senior lawyer hires often fail to reach their full potential, even after a successful recruitment process?</p><p>Stephen and his guests will provide the tangible strategies needed to bridge that gap. Learn how to move beyond basic onboarding and ensure your most expensive talent becomes a long-term, profitable success.</p><p>Subscribe now so you don't miss any episode of Beyond Billables. Coming soon to your favourite podcast platforms.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to Beyond Billables, the essential podcast for law firm leaders where host Stephen Rodney, founder of Intogreat Coaching, tackles the critical challenge: The Integration Gap.</p><p>Why do new senior lawyer hires often fail to reach their full potential, even after a successful recruitment process?</p><p>Stephen and his guests will provide the tangible strategies needed to bridge that gap. Learn how to move beyond basic onboarding and ensure your most expensive talent becomes a long-term, profitable success.</p><p>Subscribe now so you don't miss any episode of Beyond Billables. Coming soon to your favourite podcast platforms.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://beyond-billables.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">14bde275-1d3c-4880-b59d-4fa84b584917</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/3dd77b3f-014a-42f5-9a06-e0e38726d91f/Intogreat-Coaching-Cover-Art-1.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2025 05:21:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/14bde275-1d3c-4880-b59d-4fa84b584917.mp3" length="642448" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>00:40</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item></channel></rss>