<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><?xml-stylesheet href="https://feeds.captivate.fm/style.xsl" type="text/xsl"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0" xmlns:googleplay="http://www.google.com/schemas/play-podcasts/1.0" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" xmlns:podcast="https://podcastindex.org/namespace/1.0"><channel><atom:link href="https://feeds.captivate.fm/careful-thinking/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><title><![CDATA[Careful Thinking]]></title><podcast:guid>1ddf512b-7910-5cc5-b8fd-00d992a07734</podcast:guid><lastBuildDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2026 08:04:16 +0000</lastBuildDate><generator>Captivate.fm</generator><language><![CDATA[en]]></language><copyright><![CDATA[Copyright 2026 Martin Robb]]></copyright><managingEditor>Martin Robb</managingEditor><itunes:summary><![CDATA[At some point in our lives, we will all have the experience of caring for another person - or of being cared for ourselves. But what exactly is ‘care’, and what do we mean by ‘good’ care?  How do our beliefs, identities, and the social, cultural and political contexts in which we live, shape our experience of caring or being cared for? And how can ideas, theories, and the findings from research, help us to think more care-fully – and to care more thoughtfully?

Careful Thinking explores these and similar questions, inspired by a belief that thinking critically about care can both deepen our understanding and improve the everyday practice of care. In each episode of the podcast, you'll hear an in-depth conversation with a researcher, writer or practitioner at the cutting edge of current thinking about care.  

If you would like to give us your feedback, or suggest a guest or a topic for a future episode, you can get in touch at carefulthinkingpodcast@gmail.com.  And you can leave comments on episodes and join in the discussion at https://carefulthinking.substack.com.
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Careful Thinking explores these and similar questions, inspired by a belief that thinking critically about care can both deepen our understanding and improve the everyday practice of care. In each episode of the podcast, you&apos;ll hear an in-depth conversation with a researcher, writer or practitioner at the cutting edge of current thinking about care.  

If you would like to give us your feedback, or suggest a guest or a topic for a future episode, you can get in touch at carefulthinkingpodcast@gmail.com.  And you can leave comments on episodes and join in the discussion at https://carefulthinking.substack.com.
</description><link>https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/</link><atom:link href="https://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com" rel="hub"/><itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Exploring ideas about care]]></itunes:subtitle><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:type>episodic</itunes:type><itunes:category text="Society &amp; Culture"></itunes:category><itunes:category text="Education"></itunes:category><itunes:category text="Science"><itunes:category text="Social Sciences"/></itunes:category><podcast:locked>no</podcast:locked><podcast:medium>podcast</podcast:medium><item><title>Fatherhood, faith, and phenomenology - with Zechariah Mickel</title><itunes:title>Fatherhood, faith, and phenomenology - with Zechariah Mickel</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>What insights can phenomenological philosophy offer into the experience of fatherhood? How does a father experience the mystery of his child's soul, and how should he respond to his child's vulnerability and suffering? And how useful is the language of sacrifice in describing the burden of paternal responsibility?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://www.zechariahmickel.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Zechariah Mickel.</a> Zechariah is an independent scholar working at the intersection of continental philosophy and theology. He holds an MA in philosophy from the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Center_for_Advanced_Studies" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Global Center for Advanced Studies </a>and has worked in schools as a therapeutic skills trainer and as a marketing manager and associate editor at <a href="https://wipfandstock.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Wipf and Stock Publishers</a>, where he continues to host <em><a href="https://wipfandstock.com/blog-podcast/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Theology Mill</a></em><a href="https://wipfandstock.com/blog-podcast/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><em><a href="https://wipfandstock.com/blog-podcast/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podcast.</a></em> Based in Oregon in the United States, Zechariah is a husband and a father to two young children, and he is also employed as an apprentice plumber.</p><p>Zechariah has published articles in <em>Commonweal </em>magazine and in the <em>Global Center for Advanced Studies Review</em>. He’s the author of the book <em><a href="https://wipfandstock.com/9798385219070/the-unthinkable-sacrifice/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Unthinkable Sacrifice: An Essay on Fatherhood</a></em>, published by Cascade in 2025, which provides an account of the experience of early fatherhood using the tools of phenomenological philosophy. He is also the co-editor of the forthcoming book <em>The Eucharist and Continental Philosophy</em>, to be published by Fordham University Press.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Zechariah's background and early influences (02:30)</p><p>Zechariah's journey from evangelicalism to Catholicism (05:16)</p><p>The experience of becoming and being a father (08:05)</p><p>Working as a plumber alongside writing and publishing (09:58)</p><p>Zechariah's work for Wipf and Stock and as host of <em>The Theology Mill Podcast</em> (13:52)</p><p>Highlights of Zechariah's experience as a podcast host (16:33)</p><p>The 'theological turn' in French phenomenology and the influence of Steven DeLay on Zechariah's writing (18:00)</p><p>The thinking behind <em>The Unthinkable Sacrifice</em> (20:10)</p><p>Is the book philosophy or theology? (24:01)</p><p>The philosophers who have influenced Zechariah's thinking (28:28)</p><p>The father's experience of his child's soul and the insights of Levinas and Marion (33:50)</p><p>The vulnerability of the child and Romano's notion of 'the event' (37:40)</p><p>Fatherhood in the context of late modernity (41:40)</p><p>The burden of paternal responsibility (47:22)</p><p>Fatherhood and sacrifice (52:38)</p><p>Responding to criticisms of the book (56:35)</p><p>Zechariah's forthcoming edited volume on the Eucharist and his plans for further research and writing (01:05:05)</p><p><strong>Some of the writers and thinkers mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Merton" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Thomas Merton</a></p><p><a href="https://stevendelay.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Steven DeLay</a></p><p><a href="https://philpeople.org/profiles/emmanuel-falque" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Emmanuel Falque</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Hauerwas" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stanley Hauerwas</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_T._Cavanaugh" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">William T. Cavanaugh</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Bulgakov" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sergei Bulgakov</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Levinas" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Emmanuel Levinas</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Luc_Marion" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jean-Luc Marion</a></p><p><a href="https://philpeople.org/profiles/claude-romano" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Claude Romano</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Yves_Lacoste" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jean-Yves Lacoste</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Louis_Chr%C3%A9tien" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jean-Louis Chrétien </a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Marcel" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Gabriel Marcel</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byung-Chul_Han" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Byung-Chul Han</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Henry" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Michel Henry</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Francis" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pope Francis</a></p><p><strong>Some of the publications discussed in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.routledge.com/Phenomenology-in-France-A-Philosophical-and-Theological-Introduction/DeLay/p/book/9781138244979" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Steven DeLay's</a><em><a href="https://www.routledge.com/Phenomenology-in-France-A-Philosophical-and-Theological-Introduction/DeLay/p/book/9781138244979" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> Phenomenology in France: A Philosophical and Theological Introduction</a></em></p><p><a href="https://fairerdisputations.org/facing-fatherhood/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Terence Sweeney's review of </a><em><a href="https://fairerdisputations.org/facing-fatherhood/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Unthinkable Sacrifice </a></em></p><p><a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/fatherhood-and-philosophy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Martin's Substack review of Zechariah's book</a></p><p><strong>Films mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sacrifice_(1986_film)" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Sacrifice</a></em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sacrifice_(1986_film)" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> (dir. Andrei Tarkovsky)</a></p><p><em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Out" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Get Out</a></em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Out" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> (dir. Jordan Peele)</a></p><p><strong>Other links</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foursquare_Church" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Foursquare Church</a></p><p>You can download a transcript of this episode by following <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/fatherhood-faith-and-phenomenology" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link </a>to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What insights can phenomenological philosophy offer into the experience of fatherhood? How does a father experience the mystery of his child's soul, and how should he respond to his child's vulnerability and suffering? And how useful is the language of sacrifice in describing the burden of paternal responsibility?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://www.zechariahmickel.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Zechariah Mickel.</a> Zechariah is an independent scholar working at the intersection of continental philosophy and theology. He holds an MA in philosophy from the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Center_for_Advanced_Studies" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Global Center for Advanced Studies </a>and has worked in schools as a therapeutic skills trainer and as a marketing manager and associate editor at <a href="https://wipfandstock.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Wipf and Stock Publishers</a>, where he continues to host <em><a href="https://wipfandstock.com/blog-podcast/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Theology Mill</a></em><a href="https://wipfandstock.com/blog-podcast/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a><em><a href="https://wipfandstock.com/blog-podcast/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podcast.</a></em> Based in Oregon in the United States, Zechariah is a husband and a father to two young children, and he is also employed as an apprentice plumber.</p><p>Zechariah has published articles in <em>Commonweal </em>magazine and in the <em>Global Center for Advanced Studies Review</em>. He’s the author of the book <em><a href="https://wipfandstock.com/9798385219070/the-unthinkable-sacrifice/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Unthinkable Sacrifice: An Essay on Fatherhood</a></em>, published by Cascade in 2025, which provides an account of the experience of early fatherhood using the tools of phenomenological philosophy. He is also the co-editor of the forthcoming book <em>The Eucharist and Continental Philosophy</em>, to be published by Fordham University Press.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Zechariah's background and early influences (02:30)</p><p>Zechariah's journey from evangelicalism to Catholicism (05:16)</p><p>The experience of becoming and being a father (08:05)</p><p>Working as a plumber alongside writing and publishing (09:58)</p><p>Zechariah's work for Wipf and Stock and as host of <em>The Theology Mill Podcast</em> (13:52)</p><p>Highlights of Zechariah's experience as a podcast host (16:33)</p><p>The 'theological turn' in French phenomenology and the influence of Steven DeLay on Zechariah's writing (18:00)</p><p>The thinking behind <em>The Unthinkable Sacrifice</em> (20:10)</p><p>Is the book philosophy or theology? (24:01)</p><p>The philosophers who have influenced Zechariah's thinking (28:28)</p><p>The father's experience of his child's soul and the insights of Levinas and Marion (33:50)</p><p>The vulnerability of the child and Romano's notion of 'the event' (37:40)</p><p>Fatherhood in the context of late modernity (41:40)</p><p>The burden of paternal responsibility (47:22)</p><p>Fatherhood and sacrifice (52:38)</p><p>Responding to criticisms of the book (56:35)</p><p>Zechariah's forthcoming edited volume on the Eucharist and his plans for further research and writing (01:05:05)</p><p><strong>Some of the writers and thinkers mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Merton" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Thomas Merton</a></p><p><a href="https://stevendelay.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Steven DeLay</a></p><p><a href="https://philpeople.org/profiles/emmanuel-falque" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Emmanuel Falque</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Hauerwas" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stanley Hauerwas</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_T._Cavanaugh" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">William T. Cavanaugh</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Bulgakov" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sergei Bulgakov</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Levinas" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Emmanuel Levinas</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Luc_Marion" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jean-Luc Marion</a></p><p><a href="https://philpeople.org/profiles/claude-romano" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Claude Romano</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Yves_Lacoste" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jean-Yves Lacoste</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Louis_Chr%C3%A9tien" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jean-Louis Chrétien </a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Marcel" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Gabriel Marcel</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byung-Chul_Han" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Byung-Chul Han</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Henry" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Michel Henry</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Francis" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pope Francis</a></p><p><strong>Some of the publications discussed in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.routledge.com/Phenomenology-in-France-A-Philosophical-and-Theological-Introduction/DeLay/p/book/9781138244979" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Steven DeLay's</a><em><a href="https://www.routledge.com/Phenomenology-in-France-A-Philosophical-and-Theological-Introduction/DeLay/p/book/9781138244979" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> Phenomenology in France: A Philosophical and Theological Introduction</a></em></p><p><a href="https://fairerdisputations.org/facing-fatherhood/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Terence Sweeney's review of </a><em><a href="https://fairerdisputations.org/facing-fatherhood/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Unthinkable Sacrifice </a></em></p><p><a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/fatherhood-and-philosophy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Martin's Substack review of Zechariah's book</a></p><p><strong>Films mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sacrifice_(1986_film)" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Sacrifice</a></em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sacrifice_(1986_film)" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> (dir. Andrei Tarkovsky)</a></p><p><em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Out" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Get Out</a></em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Out" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> (dir. Jordan Peele)</a></p><p><strong>Other links</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foursquare_Church" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Foursquare Church</a></p><p>You can download a transcript of this episode by following <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/fatherhood-faith-and-phenomenology" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link </a>to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/fatherhood-faith-and-phenomenology-with-zechariah-mickel]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">7b404850-33ff-4980-83fe-52bc799b3ce3</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/128375da-3dba-47c1-a91b-224055338d0d/Untitled-design-18.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2026 09:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/7b404850-33ff-4980-83fe-52bc799b3ce3.mp3" length="67747150" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:10:34</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>28</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>28</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season></item><item><title>Death, dying, and the ethics of care - with Iris Parra Jounou</title><itunes:title>Death, dying, and the ethics of care - with Iris Parra Jounou</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>What can care ethics contribute to a better understanding of death, dying, and end-of-life care? What would a relational approach to assisted dying look like? And how should care be incorporated into public policy by local and national governments?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, in conversation with <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Iris-Parra-Jounou" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Iris Parra Jounou</a>. Iris is a researcher in care ethics and political philosophy, specialising in end-of-life care. She is an assistant professor in philosophy at the <a href="https://www.uab.cat/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Autonomous University of Barcelona,</a> in Catalonia, Spain, where she was awarded a PhD in 2025 for her thesis entitled ‘Dying in the <em>Relaissance</em>: End-of-Life Practices in a Caring Democracy’. Iris previously studied for bachelor’s degrees in both nursing and humanities, and for a Masters degree in contemporary thought and classical tradition. She is also a published poet and a musician.</p><p>Iris has published a number of journal articles and book chapters on end-of-life care and assisted dying, and she also has the distinction of having translated key works by the leading American care ethicist <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a> into Catalan. She a contributed a chapter on ‘a care ethics and aesthetics approach to stillbirth and late termination of pregnancy for foetal anomalies’ in the recently-published edited collection <em><a href="https://www.routledge.com/Care-Aesthetics-and-the-Arts/Maguire-Rosier-Polonyi-Thompson/p/book/9781032870922" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Care Aesthetics and the Arts</a>. </em>Iris has edited a new volume on <em><a href="https://www.peeters-leuven.be/detail.php?search_key=9789042956087&amp;series_number_str=18&amp;lang=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Care Ethics and Public Health</a></em><a href="https://www.peeters-leuven.be/detail.php?search_key=9789042956087&amp;series_number_str=18&amp;lang=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">,</a> which has been published, in the Peeters Ethics of Care series, since we recorded the episode.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Iris' personal and professional journey to studying the philosophy of care (02:35)</p><p>Witnessing death and developing an interest in end-of-life care (06:24)</p><p>Iris' introduction to feminist care ethics (10:55)</p><p>How Iris came to interview Joan Tronto and translate her books into Catalan (16:22)</p><p>A brief cultural history of death and dying (19:57)</p><p>Towards 'an expressive-collaborative model of mortality' using care ethics (24:42)</p><p>'Dying in the <em>relaissance</em>' (27:46)</p><p>A relational approach to assisted dying (30:30)</p><p>The ethical conflicts of implementing medical assistance in dying (34:34)</p><p>Towards a patient-centred definition of unbearable suffering (39:05)</p><p>Iris' forthcoming co-edited book on care ethics and public health (44:10)</p><p>Towards a public ethics of care (47:30)</p><p>Reflecting on stillbirth, care ethics and care aesthetics through the medium of a literary memoir (50:35)</p><p>Iris' involvement in poetry and music (57:40)</p><p>Iris' plans for further research and writing on care (01:01:14)</p><p><strong>Some of the writers and thinkers mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nel_Noddings" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nell Noddings</a></p><p><a href="Virginia Held" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Virginia Held</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Gilligan" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Carol Gilligan</a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Helen-Kohlen" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Helen Kohlen</a></p><p><a href="https://ethicsofcare.org/personal-memories-of-frans-vosman-1952-2020/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Frans Vosman</a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Olena-Hankivsky" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Olena Hankivsky</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Butler" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Judith Butler</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Urban_Walker" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Margaret Urban Walker</a></p><p><a href="https://profiles.open.ac.uk/erica-borgstrom" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Erica Borgstrom</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/care-at-the-end-of-life-with-erica-borgstrom" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 9</a>)</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Levitas" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ruth Levitas</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Abensour" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Miguel Abensour</a></p><p><a href="https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=aJ2f6VgAAAAJ&amp;hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sean Riley</a></p><p><a href="https://scholar.google.es/citations?user=eB5ke2cAAAAJ&amp;hl=es" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">David Rodríguez-Arias</a></p><p><a href="https://philpeople.org/profiles/txetxu-ausin" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Txetxu Ausín</a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Claudia-Gamondi" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Claudia Gamondi</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Starobinets" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Anna Starobinets</a></p><p><strong>Links to Iris' some of academic writings in English</strong></p><p>'<a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/16094069231202196" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">End-of-Life Narratives of Patients who Request Medical Assistance in Dying: A Qualitative Study Protocol</a>'</p><p><a href="https://www.erudit.org/en/journals/bioethics/2023-v6-n3-4-bioethics08947/1108007ar/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Causes for Conscientious Objection in Medical Aid in Dying: A Scoping Review'</a></p><p>'<a href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1057/s41296-024-00680-6" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Care ethics in theory and practice: Joan C. Tronto in conversation with Iris Parra Jounou</a>'</p><p><a href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s12910-024-01069-1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'For, against, and beyond: healthcare professionals’ positions on Medical Assistance in Dying in Spain'</a></p><p><a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15265161.2025.2525772" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'“Suffering Is a Hostage of Healthcare Professionals’ Authority”: Shifting to a Patient-Centered Definition'</a></p><p>'<a href="https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/oa-edit/10.4324/9781003530886-9/look-iris-parra-jounou?context=ubx&amp;refId=19d094e4-0d9d-4ea2-83b8-15fb1ec745b7" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Look at Him: A care ethics and aesthetics approach to stillbirth and late termination of pregnancy for foetal abnormalities</a>'</p><p><strong>Iris' translations of works by Joan Tronto</strong></p><p><em><a href="https://www.raigverdeditorial.cat/cataleg/qui-sen-cuida/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Qui se'n cuida? </a></em></p><p><em><a href="https://www.raigverdeditorial.cat/cataleg/democracia-i-cura/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Democràcia i cura </a></em></p><p><strong>Poetry by Iris</strong></p><p><em><a href="https://tienda.rileditores.es/producto/oriana-iris-parra-jounou" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Oriana</a></em></p><p><em><a href="https://expeditiorepositorio.utadeo.edu.co/entities/publication/6071f244-7fd7-4d53-b8e5-748d50b8098d" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Al filo </a></em><a href="https://expeditiorepositorio.utadeo.edu.co/entities/publication/6071f244-7fd7-4d53-b8e5-748d50b8098d" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(audiopoem)</a></p><p><strong>Iris' research projects</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.inedyto.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">INEDyTO</a></p><p><a href="https://portalrecerca.uab.cat/es/projects/politica-y-etica-de-la-salud-publica/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">POyETICAS</a></p><p>You can download a transcript of the episode by following <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/death-dying-and-the-ethics-of-care" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What can care ethics contribute to a better understanding of death, dying, and end-of-life care? What would a relational approach to assisted dying look like? And how should care be incorporated into public policy by local and national governments?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, in conversation with <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Iris-Parra-Jounou" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Iris Parra Jounou</a>. Iris is a researcher in care ethics and political philosophy, specialising in end-of-life care. She is an assistant professor in philosophy at the <a href="https://www.uab.cat/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Autonomous University of Barcelona,</a> in Catalonia, Spain, where she was awarded a PhD in 2025 for her thesis entitled ‘Dying in the <em>Relaissance</em>: End-of-Life Practices in a Caring Democracy’. Iris previously studied for bachelor’s degrees in both nursing and humanities, and for a Masters degree in contemporary thought and classical tradition. She is also a published poet and a musician.</p><p>Iris has published a number of journal articles and book chapters on end-of-life care and assisted dying, and she also has the distinction of having translated key works by the leading American care ethicist <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a> into Catalan. She a contributed a chapter on ‘a care ethics and aesthetics approach to stillbirth and late termination of pregnancy for foetal anomalies’ in the recently-published edited collection <em><a href="https://www.routledge.com/Care-Aesthetics-and-the-Arts/Maguire-Rosier-Polonyi-Thompson/p/book/9781032870922" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Care Aesthetics and the Arts</a>. </em>Iris has edited a new volume on <em><a href="https://www.peeters-leuven.be/detail.php?search_key=9789042956087&amp;series_number_str=18&amp;lang=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Care Ethics and Public Health</a></em><a href="https://www.peeters-leuven.be/detail.php?search_key=9789042956087&amp;series_number_str=18&amp;lang=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">,</a> which has been published, in the Peeters Ethics of Care series, since we recorded the episode.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Iris' personal and professional journey to studying the philosophy of care (02:35)</p><p>Witnessing death and developing an interest in end-of-life care (06:24)</p><p>Iris' introduction to feminist care ethics (10:55)</p><p>How Iris came to interview Joan Tronto and translate her books into Catalan (16:22)</p><p>A brief cultural history of death and dying (19:57)</p><p>Towards 'an expressive-collaborative model of mortality' using care ethics (24:42)</p><p>'Dying in the <em>relaissance</em>' (27:46)</p><p>A relational approach to assisted dying (30:30)</p><p>The ethical conflicts of implementing medical assistance in dying (34:34)</p><p>Towards a patient-centred definition of unbearable suffering (39:05)</p><p>Iris' forthcoming co-edited book on care ethics and public health (44:10)</p><p>Towards a public ethics of care (47:30)</p><p>Reflecting on stillbirth, care ethics and care aesthetics through the medium of a literary memoir (50:35)</p><p>Iris' involvement in poetry and music (57:40)</p><p>Iris' plans for further research and writing on care (01:01:14)</p><p><strong>Some of the writers and thinkers mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nel_Noddings" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nell Noddings</a></p><p><a href="Virginia Held" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Virginia Held</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Gilligan" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Carol Gilligan</a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Helen-Kohlen" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Helen Kohlen</a></p><p><a href="https://ethicsofcare.org/personal-memories-of-frans-vosman-1952-2020/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Frans Vosman</a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Olena-Hankivsky" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Olena Hankivsky</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Butler" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Judith Butler</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Urban_Walker" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Margaret Urban Walker</a></p><p><a href="https://profiles.open.ac.uk/erica-borgstrom" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Erica Borgstrom</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/care-at-the-end-of-life-with-erica-borgstrom" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 9</a>)</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Levitas" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ruth Levitas</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Abensour" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Miguel Abensour</a></p><p><a href="https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=aJ2f6VgAAAAJ&amp;hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sean Riley</a></p><p><a href="https://scholar.google.es/citations?user=eB5ke2cAAAAJ&amp;hl=es" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">David Rodríguez-Arias</a></p><p><a href="https://philpeople.org/profiles/txetxu-ausin" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Txetxu Ausín</a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Claudia-Gamondi" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Claudia Gamondi</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Starobinets" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Anna Starobinets</a></p><p><strong>Links to Iris' some of academic writings in English</strong></p><p>'<a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/16094069231202196" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">End-of-Life Narratives of Patients who Request Medical Assistance in Dying: A Qualitative Study Protocol</a>'</p><p><a href="https://www.erudit.org/en/journals/bioethics/2023-v6-n3-4-bioethics08947/1108007ar/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Causes for Conscientious Objection in Medical Aid in Dying: A Scoping Review'</a></p><p>'<a href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1057/s41296-024-00680-6" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Care ethics in theory and practice: Joan C. Tronto in conversation with Iris Parra Jounou</a>'</p><p><a href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s12910-024-01069-1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'For, against, and beyond: healthcare professionals’ positions on Medical Assistance in Dying in Spain'</a></p><p><a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15265161.2025.2525772" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'“Suffering Is a Hostage of Healthcare Professionals’ Authority”: Shifting to a Patient-Centered Definition'</a></p><p>'<a href="https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/oa-edit/10.4324/9781003530886-9/look-iris-parra-jounou?context=ubx&amp;refId=19d094e4-0d9d-4ea2-83b8-15fb1ec745b7" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Look at Him: A care ethics and aesthetics approach to stillbirth and late termination of pregnancy for foetal abnormalities</a>'</p><p><strong>Iris' translations of works by Joan Tronto</strong></p><p><em><a href="https://www.raigverdeditorial.cat/cataleg/qui-sen-cuida/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Qui se'n cuida? </a></em></p><p><em><a href="https://www.raigverdeditorial.cat/cataleg/democracia-i-cura/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Democràcia i cura </a></em></p><p><strong>Poetry by Iris</strong></p><p><em><a href="https://tienda.rileditores.es/producto/oriana-iris-parra-jounou" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Oriana</a></em></p><p><em><a href="https://expeditiorepositorio.utadeo.edu.co/entities/publication/6071f244-7fd7-4d53-b8e5-748d50b8098d" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Al filo </a></em><a href="https://expeditiorepositorio.utadeo.edu.co/entities/publication/6071f244-7fd7-4d53-b8e5-748d50b8098d" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">(audiopoem)</a></p><p><strong>Iris' research projects</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.inedyto.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">INEDyTO</a></p><p><a href="https://portalrecerca.uab.cat/es/projects/politica-y-etica-de-la-salud-publica/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">POyETICAS</a></p><p>You can download a transcript of the episode by following <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/death-dying-and-the-ethics-of-care" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/death-dying-and-the-ethics-of-care-with-iris-parra-jounou]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">c35faa20-f280-42c5-818f-a1f04bbfbd73</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/fbd96f53-7ab2-46bd-bcad-828a12484a38/Untitled-design-17.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2026 07:25:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/c35faa20-f280-42c5-818f-a1f04bbfbd73.mp3" length="62514328" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:05:07</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>27</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>27</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season></item><item><title>A Catholic feminist perspective on care - with Erika Bachiochi</title><itunes:title>A Catholic feminist perspective on care - with Erika Bachiochi</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>What can the ideas of an eighteenth-century feminist thinker contribute to contemporary debates around gender and care? How should law and social policy support caregivers and create a better balance between care, work and family life? Is Catholic feminism a contradiction in terms - and if not, what's distinctive about the perspective that it offers on care?</p><p>These are some of the questions we discuss in this episode, with <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erika_Bachiochi" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Erika Bachiochi.</a> Erika is an American legal scholar who works at the intersection of constitutional law, political theory, women’s history, and Catholic social teaching. She is a Fellow at the <a href="https://eppc.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ethics and Public Policy Center </a>- and Professor of Practice and Director of the <a href="https://scetl.asu.edu/mercy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mercy Otis Warren Initiative </a>at the School of Economic Thought and Leadership at Arizona State University, where she also serves as Editor-in-Chief of the online journal, <a href="https://fairerdisputations.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Fairer Disputations</em></a>. A 2018 visiting scholar at Harvard Law School, Erika is a Senior Fellow at the <a href="https://www.abigailadamsinstitute.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Abigail Adams Institute</a> in Cambridge, Massachusetts, where she founded the <a href="https://www.abigailadamsinstitute.org/aai-wollstonecraft-project" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Wollstonecraft Project</a>.</p><p>Erika received a B.A. from&nbsp;Middlebury College&nbsp;in 1996, an M.A. in theology as a Bradley Fellow from the Institute for the Study of Politics and Religion at&nbsp;Boston College&nbsp;in 1999, and a J.D. from&nbsp;Boston University School of Law&nbsp;in 2002. The mother of seven children, Erika was a co-founder of <a href="https://www.stbca.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">St. Benedict’s</a>, a Catholic classical school in Massachusetts where she served as President of the Board from 2013-2015.  She has published numerous articles in legal and political journals and in publications such as <em>The New York Times</em>, <em>The Wall Street Journal</em> and <em>The Atlantic</em>. </p><p>Erika's book, <a href="https://undpress.nd.edu/9780268200824/the-rights-of-women/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Rights of Women: Reclaiming a Lost Vision</em></a>, which offers a revisionist history of the early women’s rights movement, including a radical reassessment of the work of Mary Wollstonecraft, was published in 2021.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Erika's journey to becoming a legal scholar (03:02)</p><p>Erika's philosophical, political and spiritual journey (08:33)</p><p>The rationale for Erika's book <em>The Rights of Women </em>and its focus on Mary Wollstonecraft (17:28) </p><p>The balance between rights and duties and the emphasis on virtues in Wollstonecraft's thinking (25:56)</p><p>The lost legacy of first-wave feminism (37:30)</p><p>Mary Ann Glendon's work on care, families, and social policy (43:35)</p><p>Erika's critique of feminist care ethics, and her understanding of the distinctive role of fathers in care (49:38)</p><p>The role of the state in supporting caregiving within families (59:34)</p><p>A distinctive Catholic feminist position on care (01:03:37)</p><p>Erika's plans for a sequel to <em>The Rights of Women </em>(01:07:33)</p><p><strong>Some of the writers, thinkers and activists mentioned in the episode:</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Aristotle</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicero" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Cicero</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Locke" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">John Locke</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Wollstonecraft" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mary Wollstonecraft</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Godwin" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">William Godwin</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Priestley" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joseph Priestley</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Price" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Richard Price</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abigail_Adams" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Abigail Adams</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucretia_Mott" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Lucrecia Mott</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Addams" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jane Addams</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_B._Anthony" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Susan B. Anthony</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Moore_Grimk%C3%A9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sarah Moore Grimké</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Friedan" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Betty Friedan</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Bader_Ginsburg" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ruth Bader Ginsburg</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Ann_Glendon" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mary Ann Glendon</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Franklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR)</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Kittay" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eva Feder Kittay</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Day" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Dorothy Day</a></p><p><a href="https://www.assumption.edu/people-and-departments/directory/rachel-m-coleman" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Rachel Coleman </a></p><p><a href="https://fairerdisputations.org/kate-phelan/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kate Phelan</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abigail_Favale" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Abigail Favale</a></p><p><a href="https://leahlibresco.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Leah Libresco Sargeant</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holly_Lawford-Smith" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Holly Lawford-Smith</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Bernie Sanders</a></p><p><strong>Articles by Erika Bachiochi cited in the episode</strong></p><p>'<a href="https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1873485" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Embodied equality: debunking equal protection arguments for abortion rights</a>' (2011)</p><p>'<a href="https://firstthings.com/embodied-caregiving/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Embodied caregiving</a>' (2016)</p><p>'<a href="https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4632976" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Dobbs, Equality and the Contested Meanings of Women's Rights</a>' (2023)</p><p><strong>Other publications mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p>'<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Sentiments" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Declaration of Sentiments</a>'<em> </em>(1848)</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulieris_dignitatem" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Mulieris dignitatem</em> </a> (1988)</p><p><a href="https://www.simonandschuster.co.uk/books/Rights-Talk/Mary-Ann-Glendon/9781439108680" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mary Ann Glendon, <em>Rights Talk: The Impoverishment of Political Discourse</em></a><em> </em>(1991)</p><p><a href="https://www.routledge.com/Loves-Labor-Essays-on-Women-Equality-and-Dependency/Kittay/p/book/9781138089921" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eva Feder Kittay, <em>Love's Labor: Essays on Women, Equality, and Dependency</em></a> (1999)</p><p><a href="https://fairerdisputations.org/radfem-catholic-dialogue/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Catholic and Radical Feminism: a dialogue' (<em>Fairer Disputations</em>)</a> (2024)</p><p><a href="https://undpress.nd.edu/9780268210335/the-dignity-of-dependence/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Leah Libresco Sargeant, <em>The Dignity of Dependence: A Feminist Manifesto</em></a> (2025)</p><p><strong>Useful links</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_social_teaching" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Catholic Social Teaching</a></p><p><a href="https://catholicworker.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Catholic Worker Movement</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">New Deal</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communitarianism" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Communitarianism</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democrats_(United_States)" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">New Democrats</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Conference_on_Women,_1995" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">World Conference on Women</a> (Beijing, 1995) - and see <a href="https://fairerdisputations.org/beijing-conference/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mary Ann Glendon's account</a></p><p>You can download a transcript of the episode by following <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/a-catholic-feminist-perspective-on" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What can the ideas of an eighteenth-century feminist thinker contribute to contemporary debates around gender and care? How should law and social policy support caregivers and create a better balance between care, work and family life? Is Catholic feminism a contradiction in terms - and if not, what's distinctive about the perspective that it offers on care?</p><p>These are some of the questions we discuss in this episode, with <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erika_Bachiochi" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Erika Bachiochi.</a> Erika is an American legal scholar who works at the intersection of constitutional law, political theory, women’s history, and Catholic social teaching. She is a Fellow at the <a href="https://eppc.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ethics and Public Policy Center </a>- and Professor of Practice and Director of the <a href="https://scetl.asu.edu/mercy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mercy Otis Warren Initiative </a>at the School of Economic Thought and Leadership at Arizona State University, where she also serves as Editor-in-Chief of the online journal, <a href="https://fairerdisputations.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Fairer Disputations</em></a>. A 2018 visiting scholar at Harvard Law School, Erika is a Senior Fellow at the <a href="https://www.abigailadamsinstitute.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Abigail Adams Institute</a> in Cambridge, Massachusetts, where she founded the <a href="https://www.abigailadamsinstitute.org/aai-wollstonecraft-project" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Wollstonecraft Project</a>.</p><p>Erika received a B.A. from&nbsp;Middlebury College&nbsp;in 1996, an M.A. in theology as a Bradley Fellow from the Institute for the Study of Politics and Religion at&nbsp;Boston College&nbsp;in 1999, and a J.D. from&nbsp;Boston University School of Law&nbsp;in 2002. The mother of seven children, Erika was a co-founder of <a href="https://www.stbca.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">St. Benedict’s</a>, a Catholic classical school in Massachusetts where she served as President of the Board from 2013-2015.  She has published numerous articles in legal and political journals and in publications such as <em>The New York Times</em>, <em>The Wall Street Journal</em> and <em>The Atlantic</em>. </p><p>Erika's book, <a href="https://undpress.nd.edu/9780268200824/the-rights-of-women/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Rights of Women: Reclaiming a Lost Vision</em></a>, which offers a revisionist history of the early women’s rights movement, including a radical reassessment of the work of Mary Wollstonecraft, was published in 2021.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Erika's journey to becoming a legal scholar (03:02)</p><p>Erika's philosophical, political and spiritual journey (08:33)</p><p>The rationale for Erika's book <em>The Rights of Women </em>and its focus on Mary Wollstonecraft (17:28) </p><p>The balance between rights and duties and the emphasis on virtues in Wollstonecraft's thinking (25:56)</p><p>The lost legacy of first-wave feminism (37:30)</p><p>Mary Ann Glendon's work on care, families, and social policy (43:35)</p><p>Erika's critique of feminist care ethics, and her understanding of the distinctive role of fathers in care (49:38)</p><p>The role of the state in supporting caregiving within families (59:34)</p><p>A distinctive Catholic feminist position on care (01:03:37)</p><p>Erika's plans for a sequel to <em>The Rights of Women </em>(01:07:33)</p><p><strong>Some of the writers, thinkers and activists mentioned in the episode:</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Aristotle</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicero" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Cicero</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Locke" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">John Locke</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Wollstonecraft" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mary Wollstonecraft</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Godwin" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">William Godwin</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Priestley" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joseph Priestley</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Price" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Richard Price</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abigail_Adams" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Abigail Adams</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucretia_Mott" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Lucrecia Mott</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Addams" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jane Addams</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_B._Anthony" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Susan B. Anthony</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Moore_Grimk%C3%A9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sarah Moore Grimké</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Friedan" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Betty Friedan</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Bader_Ginsburg" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ruth Bader Ginsburg</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Ann_Glendon" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mary Ann Glendon</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Franklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR)</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Kittay" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eva Feder Kittay</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Day" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Dorothy Day</a></p><p><a href="https://www.assumption.edu/people-and-departments/directory/rachel-m-coleman" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Rachel Coleman </a></p><p><a href="https://fairerdisputations.org/kate-phelan/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kate Phelan</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abigail_Favale" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Abigail Favale</a></p><p><a href="https://leahlibresco.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Leah Libresco Sargeant</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holly_Lawford-Smith" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Holly Lawford-Smith</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Bernie Sanders</a></p><p><strong>Articles by Erika Bachiochi cited in the episode</strong></p><p>'<a href="https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1873485" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Embodied equality: debunking equal protection arguments for abortion rights</a>' (2011)</p><p>'<a href="https://firstthings.com/embodied-caregiving/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Embodied caregiving</a>' (2016)</p><p>'<a href="https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4632976" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Dobbs, Equality and the Contested Meanings of Women's Rights</a>' (2023)</p><p><strong>Other publications mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p>'<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Sentiments" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Declaration of Sentiments</a>'<em> </em>(1848)</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulieris_dignitatem" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Mulieris dignitatem</em> </a> (1988)</p><p><a href="https://www.simonandschuster.co.uk/books/Rights-Talk/Mary-Ann-Glendon/9781439108680" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mary Ann Glendon, <em>Rights Talk: The Impoverishment of Political Discourse</em></a><em> </em>(1991)</p><p><a href="https://www.routledge.com/Loves-Labor-Essays-on-Women-Equality-and-Dependency/Kittay/p/book/9781138089921" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eva Feder Kittay, <em>Love's Labor: Essays on Women, Equality, and Dependency</em></a> (1999)</p><p><a href="https://fairerdisputations.org/radfem-catholic-dialogue/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Catholic and Radical Feminism: a dialogue' (<em>Fairer Disputations</em>)</a> (2024)</p><p><a href="https://undpress.nd.edu/9780268210335/the-dignity-of-dependence/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Leah Libresco Sargeant, <em>The Dignity of Dependence: A Feminist Manifesto</em></a> (2025)</p><p><strong>Useful links</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_social_teaching" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Catholic Social Teaching</a></p><p><a href="https://catholicworker.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Catholic Worker Movement</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">New Deal</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communitarianism" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Communitarianism</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democrats_(United_States)" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">New Democrats</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Conference_on_Women,_1995" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">World Conference on Women</a> (Beijing, 1995) - and see <a href="https://fairerdisputations.org/beijing-conference/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mary Ann Glendon's account</a></p><p>You can download a transcript of the episode by following <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/a-catholic-feminist-perspective-on" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/a-catholic-feminist-perspective-on-care-with-erika-bachiochi]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">4850c910-d9b8-43a0-b770-15f5a196e2ad</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/e19458fc-b1f9-4bfa-89e4-4404a9246b57/Untitled-design-16.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2025 09:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/4850c910-d9b8-43a0-b770-15f5a196e2ad.mp3" length="67411969" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:10:13</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>26</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>26</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season></item><item><title>Protest, performance, and care - with Alisha Ibkar</title><itunes:title>Protest, performance, and care - with Alisha Ibkar</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>What can a protest movement organised by Muslim grandmothers in India teach us about the role of care in political action? In what sense should we understand care as performance and everyday caring activities as artful practices? And how might interpersonal care nurture a wider caring imagination and foster a politics of care?</p><p>These are some of the questions we discuss in this episode, with <a href="https://research.manchester.ac.uk/en/persons/alisha-ibkar/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Alisha Ibkar</a>. Originally from Kaliachak in West Bengal, India, Alisha has a Bachelor’s degree in English Literature from Aligarh Muslim University in Uttar Pradesh, and a Master of Arts degree, also in English Literature, from Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi. She was a Commonwealth Scholar at the University of Warwick, where she completed a Master’s degree in applied theatre, with her dissertation focusing on the study of ethics and the aesthetics of care in the context of political activism. Alisha is currently a School of Arts, Languages and Cultures doctoral fellow in Theatre and Performance at the Martin Harris Centre for Music and Drama in the University of Manchester. Since 2016 she has also held the post of Assistant Professor of English Literature and Language at Aligarh Muslim University. In Manchester, Alisha is associated with <a href="https://www.thecarelab.org.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Care Lab</a>, which is partnered with the AHRC-funded <a href="https://research.manchester.ac.uk/en/projects/care-aesthetics-research-exploration-project/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Care Aesthetics Research Exploration (CARE) Project</a>, led by <a href="https://research.manchester.ac.uk/en/persons/james.thompson" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Professor James Thompson</a>, who was my guest in <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/care-aesthetics-with-james-thompson" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 11 </a>of the podcast.</p><p>Alisha’s academic research places the burgeoning critical theorisations around the ethics and aesthetics of care in dialogue with socio-political protest movements, a context within which the relevance of caretaking is yet to be studied. Her research engages with women-led social movements in India to examine the extent to which care played a principal role, with her understanding of care emerging from Muslim women’s cultural and domestic practices of care. Through her work, Alisha seeks a decolonial reorientation, not only within care theory and scholarship, but also within political performance.</p><p>Alisha has published articles about her research in <a href="https://thesociologicalreview.org/magazine/august-2023/strikes-and-care/protest-and-serve/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Sociological Review</em> </a>and in <a href="https://muse.jhu.edu/article/950295" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Theatre Journal</em></a>, and she has contributed a chapter entitled ‘On the art of <em>Khidmat</em>; political afterlives of Muslim women's everyday practices of care’ to a forthcoming collection on <a href="https://CareAestheticsandtheArts" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Care Aesthetics and the Arts</em></a>, edited by Kate Maguire-Rosier, Réka Polonyi andJames Thompson.,</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Alisha's early life in West Bengal and how it shaped her thinking about care and community (03:26)</p><p>The importance of education in Alisha's upbringing and her choice of English Literature as a focus for her studies (07:43)</p><p>The roots of Alisha's interest in theatre and performance (11:53)</p><p>Alisha's critical engagement with feminist writers on care (14:11)</p><p>The protest against the Citizenship Amendment Act in India (18:15)</p><p>The Shaheen Bagh protest and Alisha's relationship to it (21:52)</p><p>The ethos of care underlying the protest (25:10)</p><p>The practical care structures at Shaheen Bagh (30:42)</p><p>Care as performance (33:35)</p><p>The role of repetition and perpetuation in the performance of care (36:25)</p><p>Everyday caring activities as artful practices (41:21)</p><p>Storytelling as an ethical and aesthetic practice (46:21)</p><p>Interpersonal care nurturing a wider caring imagination (51:34)</p><p>The implications of Shaheen Bagh for thinking about protest as a form of care (57:18)</p><p>Shaheen Bagh as 'a template for a caring state' (01:01:30)</p><p>Alisha's involvement in The Care Lab and the CARE project in Manchester (01:05:40)</p><p><strong>Some of the writers, thinkers and practitioners mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lila_Abu-Lughod" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Lila Abu-Lughod</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saba_Mahmood" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Saba Mahmood</a></p><p><a href="https://profiles.ucr.edu/app/home/profile/sherineh" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sherine Hafez</a></p><p><a href="https://www.mhamington.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Hamington</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/revolutionary-care-with-maurice-hamington" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 6</a>)</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Gilligan" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Carol Gilligan</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Held" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Virginia Held</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nel_Noddings" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nel Noddings</a></p><p><a href="https://www.uh.edu/hobby/about/faculty/daniel-engster/index.php" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Daniel Engster</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Lynch_(academic)" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kathleen Lynch</a></p><p><a href="https://profiles.faculty.utah.edu/u0586842" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ella Myers</a></p><p><a href="https://www.bettanyhughes.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Bettany Hughes</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amina_Wadud" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Amina Wadud</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amira_Mittermaier" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Amira Mittermaier</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heba_Raouf_Ezzat" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Heba Raouf Ezzat</a></p><p><a href="https://erm.yale.edu/people/hi-ilei-hobart" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hi'ilei Hobart</a></p><p><a href="https://coehs.unm.edu/faculty-staff/profiles/sosa-provencio-mia.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mia Sosa-Provencio</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/a-revolucionista-ethic-of-care-with-mia-sosa-provencio" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 19</a>)</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharankumar_Limbale" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sharankumar Limbale</a></p><p><a href="https://www.ccmw.com/2020-women-who-inspire-award-winners/2020/9/21/vvllz0zwznmgfym0u9npm2vjfc8h2t" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sarah Munawar</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/a-muslim-feminist-ethic-of-care-with-sarah-munawar" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 13</a>)</p><p><a href="https://www.rekapolonyi.net/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Réla Polonyi</a></p><p><a href="https://mrkategoestothetheatre.wordpress.com/about/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kate Maguire-Rosier</a></p><p><a href="https://www.jennyharrisdrama.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jenny Harris</a></p><p><a href="https://www.eliseimraypapineau.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Elisa Imray Papineau</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._L._Austin" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">J.L.Austin</a></p><p><a href="https://www.maynoothuniversity.ie/people/daryl-martin#Biography" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Daryl Martin</a></p><p><strong>Other links</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jatra_(theatre)" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jatra</a> (Bengali folk theatre)</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaheen_Bagh_protest" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Shaheen Bagh protest</a></p><p>'<a href="https://ff.hrw.org/film/land-my-dreams/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Land of My Dreams</a>' (film by <a href="https://www.nausheenkhanfilms.com/land-of-my-dreams" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nausheen Khan</a>)</p><p><a href="https://www.versobooks.com/en-gb/blogs/authors/collective-the-care" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Care Collective</a></p><p>You can download a transcript of the episode by following <a href="https://thislink" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What can a protest movement organised by Muslim grandmothers in India teach us about the role of care in political action? In what sense should we understand care as performance and everyday caring activities as artful practices? And how might interpersonal care nurture a wider caring imagination and foster a politics of care?</p><p>These are some of the questions we discuss in this episode, with <a href="https://research.manchester.ac.uk/en/persons/alisha-ibkar/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Alisha Ibkar</a>. Originally from Kaliachak in West Bengal, India, Alisha has a Bachelor’s degree in English Literature from Aligarh Muslim University in Uttar Pradesh, and a Master of Arts degree, also in English Literature, from Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi. She was a Commonwealth Scholar at the University of Warwick, where she completed a Master’s degree in applied theatre, with her dissertation focusing on the study of ethics and the aesthetics of care in the context of political activism. Alisha is currently a School of Arts, Languages and Cultures doctoral fellow in Theatre and Performance at the Martin Harris Centre for Music and Drama in the University of Manchester. Since 2016 she has also held the post of Assistant Professor of English Literature and Language at Aligarh Muslim University. In Manchester, Alisha is associated with <a href="https://www.thecarelab.org.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Care Lab</a>, which is partnered with the AHRC-funded <a href="https://research.manchester.ac.uk/en/projects/care-aesthetics-research-exploration-project/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Care Aesthetics Research Exploration (CARE) Project</a>, led by <a href="https://research.manchester.ac.uk/en/persons/james.thompson" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Professor James Thompson</a>, who was my guest in <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/care-aesthetics-with-james-thompson" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 11 </a>of the podcast.</p><p>Alisha’s academic research places the burgeoning critical theorisations around the ethics and aesthetics of care in dialogue with socio-political protest movements, a context within which the relevance of caretaking is yet to be studied. Her research engages with women-led social movements in India to examine the extent to which care played a principal role, with her understanding of care emerging from Muslim women’s cultural and domestic practices of care. Through her work, Alisha seeks a decolonial reorientation, not only within care theory and scholarship, but also within political performance.</p><p>Alisha has published articles about her research in <a href="https://thesociologicalreview.org/magazine/august-2023/strikes-and-care/protest-and-serve/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Sociological Review</em> </a>and in <a href="https://muse.jhu.edu/article/950295" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Theatre Journal</em></a>, and she has contributed a chapter entitled ‘On the art of <em>Khidmat</em>; political afterlives of Muslim women's everyday practices of care’ to a forthcoming collection on <a href="https://CareAestheticsandtheArts" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Care Aesthetics and the Arts</em></a>, edited by Kate Maguire-Rosier, Réka Polonyi andJames Thompson.,</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Alisha's early life in West Bengal and how it shaped her thinking about care and community (03:26)</p><p>The importance of education in Alisha's upbringing and her choice of English Literature as a focus for her studies (07:43)</p><p>The roots of Alisha's interest in theatre and performance (11:53)</p><p>Alisha's critical engagement with feminist writers on care (14:11)</p><p>The protest against the Citizenship Amendment Act in India (18:15)</p><p>The Shaheen Bagh protest and Alisha's relationship to it (21:52)</p><p>The ethos of care underlying the protest (25:10)</p><p>The practical care structures at Shaheen Bagh (30:42)</p><p>Care as performance (33:35)</p><p>The role of repetition and perpetuation in the performance of care (36:25)</p><p>Everyday caring activities as artful practices (41:21)</p><p>Storytelling as an ethical and aesthetic practice (46:21)</p><p>Interpersonal care nurturing a wider caring imagination (51:34)</p><p>The implications of Shaheen Bagh for thinking about protest as a form of care (57:18)</p><p>Shaheen Bagh as 'a template for a caring state' (01:01:30)</p><p>Alisha's involvement in The Care Lab and the CARE project in Manchester (01:05:40)</p><p><strong>Some of the writers, thinkers and practitioners mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lila_Abu-Lughod" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Lila Abu-Lughod</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saba_Mahmood" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Saba Mahmood</a></p><p><a href="https://profiles.ucr.edu/app/home/profile/sherineh" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sherine Hafez</a></p><p><a href="https://www.mhamington.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Hamington</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/revolutionary-care-with-maurice-hamington" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 6</a>)</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Gilligan" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Carol Gilligan</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Held" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Virginia Held</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nel_Noddings" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nel Noddings</a></p><p><a href="https://www.uh.edu/hobby/about/faculty/daniel-engster/index.php" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Daniel Engster</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Lynch_(academic)" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kathleen Lynch</a></p><p><a href="https://profiles.faculty.utah.edu/u0586842" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ella Myers</a></p><p><a href="https://www.bettanyhughes.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Bettany Hughes</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amina_Wadud" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Amina Wadud</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amira_Mittermaier" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Amira Mittermaier</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heba_Raouf_Ezzat" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Heba Raouf Ezzat</a></p><p><a href="https://erm.yale.edu/people/hi-ilei-hobart" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hi'ilei Hobart</a></p><p><a href="https://coehs.unm.edu/faculty-staff/profiles/sosa-provencio-mia.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mia Sosa-Provencio</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/a-revolucionista-ethic-of-care-with-mia-sosa-provencio" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 19</a>)</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharankumar_Limbale" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sharankumar Limbale</a></p><p><a href="https://www.ccmw.com/2020-women-who-inspire-award-winners/2020/9/21/vvllz0zwznmgfym0u9npm2vjfc8h2t" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sarah Munawar</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/a-muslim-feminist-ethic-of-care-with-sarah-munawar" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 13</a>)</p><p><a href="https://www.rekapolonyi.net/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Réla Polonyi</a></p><p><a href="https://mrkategoestothetheatre.wordpress.com/about/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kate Maguire-Rosier</a></p><p><a href="https://www.jennyharrisdrama.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jenny Harris</a></p><p><a href="https://www.eliseimraypapineau.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Elisa Imray Papineau</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._L._Austin" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">J.L.Austin</a></p><p><a href="https://www.maynoothuniversity.ie/people/daryl-martin#Biography" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Daryl Martin</a></p><p><strong>Other links</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jatra_(theatre)" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jatra</a> (Bengali folk theatre)</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaheen_Bagh_protest" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Shaheen Bagh protest</a></p><p>'<a href="https://ff.hrw.org/film/land-my-dreams/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Land of My Dreams</a>' (film by <a href="https://www.nausheenkhanfilms.com/land-of-my-dreams" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nausheen Khan</a>)</p><p><a href="https://www.versobooks.com/en-gb/blogs/authors/collective-the-care" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Care Collective</a></p><p>You can download a transcript of the episode by following <a href="https://thislink" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/protest-performance-and-care-with-alisha-ibkar]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">72d13da7-5210-427e-9c5b-b1adcd26d670</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0f82f1e7-b3ab-48ac-8eb9-91e3701f490d/Untitled-design-15.png"/><pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2025 09:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/72d13da7-5210-427e-9c5b-b1adcd26d670.mp3" length="66713594" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:09:30</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>25</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>25</podcast:episode></item><item><title>The ethics of dementia care - with Vince Mitchell</title><itunes:title>The ethics of dementia care - with Vince Mitchell</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>What ethical challenges are presented by caring for people with dementia? How should we understand - and respect - the personhood of those experiencing cognitive decline? And what can virtue ethics and care ethics contribute to the development of an alternative ethical model for dementia care?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, in conversation with <a href="https://profiles.open.ac.uk/v-mitchell" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vince Mitchell</a>. Vince is a Lecturer in Health and Social Care, specialising in mental health, at <a href="https://www.open.ac.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Open University</a> (UK). He is a qualified mental health nurse with experience of nursing people in a wide variety of clinical settings. Having graduated with a Bachelor of Science in Health Care Practice and a Master of Arts in Applied Ethics from the University of York, Vince undertook doctoral research at the University of Surrey, where he was awarded a PhD in 2016 for his thesis examining ethical frameworks for dementia care. Since then, he has published a number of articles and book chapters on the ethics of mental health nursing and on ethical practice in dementia care.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Vince's journey into nursing (02:15)</p><p>Working as a mental health nurse (04:50)</p><p>Bridging the worlds of philosophy and care practice (07:00)</p><p>The challenges that dementia presents for care providers (10:40)</p><p>The inadequacy of existing ethical models (13:15)</p><p>Some of the key ethical issues in dementia care (15:35)</p><p>Personhood and autonomy (19:08)</p><p>The personal identity challenge to advance directives (23:50)</p><p>Thomas Kitwood's model of person-centred care (30:10)</p><p>Julian Hughes' Situated Embodied Agent approach (34:13)</p><p>Personal dignity and human flourishing (36:19)</p><p>Introducing virtue ethics (39:55)</p><p>Vulnerability, interdependence and trust (43:05)</p><p>Care ethics, justice and the socio-political context of dementia care (47:55)</p><p>An alternative ethical model for dementia care (51:10)</p><p>Implementing the model in practice (55:35)</p><p>Vince's plans for future work in care ethics (58:50)</p><p><strong>A selection of Vince's publications</strong></p><p>'<a href="https://oro.open.ac.uk/100122/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ethics and mental health nursing</a>' (2017)</p><p>'<a href="https://journals.rcni.com/nursing-older-people/cpd/ethical-practice-in-dementia-care-nop.2019.e1073/abs" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ethical practice in dementia care</a>' (2019)</p><p><strong>Some of the writers and thinkers mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Dresser" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Rebecca Dresser</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Dworkin" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ronald Dworkin</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Parfit" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Derek Parfit</a></p><p><a href="https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/obituary-professor-thomas-kitwood-1045269.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Thomas Kitwood</a></p><p><a href="https://research-information.bris.ac.uk/en/persons/julian-c-hughes" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Julian Hughes</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Merleau-Ponty" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Merleau-Ponty</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Buber" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Martin Buber</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Nussbaum" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Martha Nussbaum</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Levinas" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Emmanel Levinas</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Aristotle</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Kant" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Immanuel Kant</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._E._M._Anscombe" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Elizabeth Anscombe</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippa_Foot" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Philippa Foot</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alasdair_MacIntyre" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Alasdair MacIntyre</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalind_Hursthouse" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Rosalind Hursthouse</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Kittay" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eva Kittay</a></p><p><a href="https://research.manchester.ac.uk/en/persons/james.thompson" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">James Thompson</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onora_O%27Neill" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Onora O'Neill</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Gilligan" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Carol Gilligan</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Held" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Virginia Held</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Slote" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Michael Slote</a></p><p>You can download a transcript of the episode by following <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/the-ethics-of-dementia-care-with" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What ethical challenges are presented by caring for people with dementia? How should we understand - and respect - the personhood of those experiencing cognitive decline? And what can virtue ethics and care ethics contribute to the development of an alternative ethical model for dementia care?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, in conversation with <a href="https://profiles.open.ac.uk/v-mitchell" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vince Mitchell</a>. Vince is a Lecturer in Health and Social Care, specialising in mental health, at <a href="https://www.open.ac.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Open University</a> (UK). He is a qualified mental health nurse with experience of nursing people in a wide variety of clinical settings. Having graduated with a Bachelor of Science in Health Care Practice and a Master of Arts in Applied Ethics from the University of York, Vince undertook doctoral research at the University of Surrey, where he was awarded a PhD in 2016 for his thesis examining ethical frameworks for dementia care. Since then, he has published a number of articles and book chapters on the ethics of mental health nursing and on ethical practice in dementia care.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Vince's journey into nursing (02:15)</p><p>Working as a mental health nurse (04:50)</p><p>Bridging the worlds of philosophy and care practice (07:00)</p><p>The challenges that dementia presents for care providers (10:40)</p><p>The inadequacy of existing ethical models (13:15)</p><p>Some of the key ethical issues in dementia care (15:35)</p><p>Personhood and autonomy (19:08)</p><p>The personal identity challenge to advance directives (23:50)</p><p>Thomas Kitwood's model of person-centred care (30:10)</p><p>Julian Hughes' Situated Embodied Agent approach (34:13)</p><p>Personal dignity and human flourishing (36:19)</p><p>Introducing virtue ethics (39:55)</p><p>Vulnerability, interdependence and trust (43:05)</p><p>Care ethics, justice and the socio-political context of dementia care (47:55)</p><p>An alternative ethical model for dementia care (51:10)</p><p>Implementing the model in practice (55:35)</p><p>Vince's plans for future work in care ethics (58:50)</p><p><strong>A selection of Vince's publications</strong></p><p>'<a href="https://oro.open.ac.uk/100122/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ethics and mental health nursing</a>' (2017)</p><p>'<a href="https://journals.rcni.com/nursing-older-people/cpd/ethical-practice-in-dementia-care-nop.2019.e1073/abs" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ethical practice in dementia care</a>' (2019)</p><p><strong>Some of the writers and thinkers mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Dresser" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Rebecca Dresser</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Dworkin" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ronald Dworkin</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Parfit" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Derek Parfit</a></p><p><a href="https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/obituary-professor-thomas-kitwood-1045269.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Thomas Kitwood</a></p><p><a href="https://research-information.bris.ac.uk/en/persons/julian-c-hughes" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Julian Hughes</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Merleau-Ponty" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Merleau-Ponty</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Buber" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Martin Buber</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Nussbaum" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Martha Nussbaum</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Levinas" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Emmanel Levinas</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Aristotle</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Kant" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Immanuel Kant</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._E._M._Anscombe" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Elizabeth Anscombe</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippa_Foot" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Philippa Foot</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alasdair_MacIntyre" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Alasdair MacIntyre</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalind_Hursthouse" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Rosalind Hursthouse</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Kittay" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eva Kittay</a></p><p><a href="https://research.manchester.ac.uk/en/persons/james.thompson" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">James Thompson</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onora_O%27Neill" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Onora O'Neill</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Gilligan" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Carol Gilligan</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Held" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Virginia Held</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Slote" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Michael Slote</a></p><p>You can download a transcript of the episode by following <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/the-ethics-of-dementia-care-with" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/the-ethics-of-dementia-care-with-vince-mitchell]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">f7cfadc0-93e8-4b86-a9c6-114b23ca96bc</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/d15a7cb2-0813-4ac1-9f89-460886d11b32/Untitled-design-14.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2025 09:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/f7cfadc0-93e8-4b86-a9c6-114b23ca96bc.mp3" length="59951814" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:02:27</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>24</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>24</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Communities of care - with Lorraine Krall McCrary</title><itunes:title>Communities of care - with Lorraine Krall McCrary</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>How can we ensure that people with intellectual disabilities participate fully in political life? What lessons can we learn from communities of care in which disabled and non-disabled people live together? And what should be the relationship between local communities of care and wider social and political structures?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://wabash.academia.edu/LorraineKrallMcCrary" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Lorraine Krall McCrary</a>. Lorraine is an Associate Professor of Political Science at <a href="https://www.wabash.edu/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Wabash College</a>, a liberal arts school in Indiana, and a research associate at <a href="https://www.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">St Edmund's College, Cambridge</a>. She has a doctorate in political theory from Georgetown University and previously taught at Washington University in St. Louis and at Villanova University. Lorraine's search brings together disability studies and feminist care ethics, and she also writes about topics in politics and literature, as well as the relationship between the family and politics. Lorraine is currently in the final stages of writing a book based on her most recent research, with the working title C<em>are Communities: Politics in a Different Voice.</em></p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Lorraine's work as a political theorist and the roots of her interest in disability issues (02:35)</p><p>Hannah Arendt's theory of 'natality' (05:00)</p><p>Natality and the politics of birth at Auschwitz (07:36)</p><p>Bearing witness in dark times (10:45)</p><p>Lorraine's use of literary sources in her work on disability (12:40)</p><p>Jane Addams and the politics of human interconnectedness (16:05)</p><p>Lorraine's research with communities of care at L'Arche, Camphill, and Geel (21:13)</p><p>Towards a relational understanding of reason (28:58)</p><p>The idea of community in the political thought of Alexis de Tocqueville (33:00)</p><p>Jean Vanier and revelations of abuse at L'Arche (36:12)</p><p>Abuse as 'relational tyranny' (39:12)</p><p>The notion of subsidiarity in feminist care ethics and Catholic Social Teaching (44:08)</p><p>The role of the state in relation to communities of care (49:00)</p><p>Relational caring at a community level as cultivating a wider sense of social solidarity (52:57)</p><p>Future directions for Lorraine's research (56:20)</p><p><strong>A selection of Lorraine's publications</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.liverpooluniversitypress.co.uk/doi/10.3828/jlcds.2017.23" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Geel's Family Care Tradition: Care, Communities, and the Social Inclusion of Persons with Disability'</a> (2017)</p><p><a href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/josp.12195" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Re-Envisioning Independence and Community: Critiques from the Independent Living Movement and L'Arche'</a> (2017)</p><p><a href="https://www.pdcnet.org/arendtstudies/content/arendtstudies_2018_0002_0075_0098" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Natality and Disability: From Augustine to Arendt and Back' </a>(2018)</p><p><a href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/politics-and-gender/article/abs/from-hullhouse-to-herland-engaged-and-extended-care-in-jane-addams-and-charlotte-perkins-gilman/C71ECC6A2D4C2F76A5CE8D7DE5129DB4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'From Hull-House to Herland: Engaged and Extended Care in Jane Addams and Charlotte Perkins Gilman'</a> (2018)</p><p><a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/21565503.2020.1864653" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'The Politics of Community: Care and Agency in People with Intellectual Disabilities at L'Arche' </a>(2020)</p><p><a href="https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/713667" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'"A Crooked Cross": Disability and Community in Flannery O'Connor'</a> (2021)</p><p>'<a href="https://read.dukeupress.edu/nps/article/44/3/409/398465/Bearing-Witness-to-Natality-The-Politics-of-Birth" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Bearing Witness to Natality: The Politics of Birth at Auschwitz' </a>(2022)</p><p><a href="https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-031-61565-8_13" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Disability and Subsidiarity: Toward Social and Political Inclusion' </a>(with Parker Gamble, 2024)</p><p><strong>Other publications discussed in the episode</strong></p><p>Joan Tronto, <a href="https://CaringDemocracy:Markets,Equality,andJustice" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Caring Democracy: Markets, Equality, and Justice</em></a></p><p>Maurice Hamington, <a href="https://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/?id=c029288" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Embodied Care: Jane Addams, Maurice Merleau-Ponty, and Feminist Care Ethics</em></a></p><p>Alexis de Tocqueville, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_in_America" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Democracy in America</em></a> and <a href="https://undpress.nd.edu/9780268109059/memoirs-on-pauperism-and-other-writings/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Memoir on Pauperism</em></a></p><p>Paul Elie, <a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374529215/thelifeyousavemaybeyourown/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Life You Save May Be Your Own: an American Pilgrimage</em></a></p><p><strong>Some of the thinkers, writers and activists mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannah_Arendt" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hannah Arendt</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexis_de_Tocqueville" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Alexis de Tocqueville</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Augustine</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hobbes" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Thomas Hobbes</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Locke" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">John Locke</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Leo_XIII" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pope Leo XIII</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stuart_Mill" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">John Stuart Mill</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Addams" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jane Addams</a></p><p><a href="https://AliceHamilton" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Alice Hamilton</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flannery_O%27Connor" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Flannery O'Connor</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a></p><p><a href="https://uh.edu/hobby/about/faculty/daniel-engster/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Daniel Engster</a></p><p><a href="https://www.mhamington.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Hamington</a></p><p><a href="https://experts.exeter.ac.uk/26804-sarah-drews-lucas/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sarah Lucas</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Steiner" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Rudolf Steiner</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Vanier" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jean Vanier</a></p><p><strong>Other relevant links</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.larche.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">L'Arche</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camphill_Movement" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Camphill</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geel" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Geel</a></p><p><a href="https://CatholicSocialTeaching" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Catholic Social Teaching</a></p><p>For a transcript of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/communities-of-care-with-lorraine" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack newsletter.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can we ensure that people with intellectual disabilities participate fully in political life? What lessons can we learn from communities of care in which disabled and non-disabled people live together? And what should be the relationship between local communities of care and wider social and political structures?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://wabash.academia.edu/LorraineKrallMcCrary" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Lorraine Krall McCrary</a>. Lorraine is an Associate Professor of Political Science at <a href="https://www.wabash.edu/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Wabash College</a>, a liberal arts school in Indiana, and a research associate at <a href="https://www.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">St Edmund's College, Cambridge</a>. She has a doctorate in political theory from Georgetown University and previously taught at Washington University in St. Louis and at Villanova University. Lorraine's search brings together disability studies and feminist care ethics, and she also writes about topics in politics and literature, as well as the relationship between the family and politics. Lorraine is currently in the final stages of writing a book based on her most recent research, with the working title C<em>are Communities: Politics in a Different Voice.</em></p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Lorraine's work as a political theorist and the roots of her interest in disability issues (02:35)</p><p>Hannah Arendt's theory of 'natality' (05:00)</p><p>Natality and the politics of birth at Auschwitz (07:36)</p><p>Bearing witness in dark times (10:45)</p><p>Lorraine's use of literary sources in her work on disability (12:40)</p><p>Jane Addams and the politics of human interconnectedness (16:05)</p><p>Lorraine's research with communities of care at L'Arche, Camphill, and Geel (21:13)</p><p>Towards a relational understanding of reason (28:58)</p><p>The idea of community in the political thought of Alexis de Tocqueville (33:00)</p><p>Jean Vanier and revelations of abuse at L'Arche (36:12)</p><p>Abuse as 'relational tyranny' (39:12)</p><p>The notion of subsidiarity in feminist care ethics and Catholic Social Teaching (44:08)</p><p>The role of the state in relation to communities of care (49:00)</p><p>Relational caring at a community level as cultivating a wider sense of social solidarity (52:57)</p><p>Future directions for Lorraine's research (56:20)</p><p><strong>A selection of Lorraine's publications</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.liverpooluniversitypress.co.uk/doi/10.3828/jlcds.2017.23" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Geel's Family Care Tradition: Care, Communities, and the Social Inclusion of Persons with Disability'</a> (2017)</p><p><a href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/josp.12195" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Re-Envisioning Independence and Community: Critiques from the Independent Living Movement and L'Arche'</a> (2017)</p><p><a href="https://www.pdcnet.org/arendtstudies/content/arendtstudies_2018_0002_0075_0098" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Natality and Disability: From Augustine to Arendt and Back' </a>(2018)</p><p><a href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/politics-and-gender/article/abs/from-hullhouse-to-herland-engaged-and-extended-care-in-jane-addams-and-charlotte-perkins-gilman/C71ECC6A2D4C2F76A5CE8D7DE5129DB4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'From Hull-House to Herland: Engaged and Extended Care in Jane Addams and Charlotte Perkins Gilman'</a> (2018)</p><p><a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/21565503.2020.1864653" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'The Politics of Community: Care and Agency in People with Intellectual Disabilities at L'Arche' </a>(2020)</p><p><a href="https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/713667" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'"A Crooked Cross": Disability and Community in Flannery O'Connor'</a> (2021)</p><p>'<a href="https://read.dukeupress.edu/nps/article/44/3/409/398465/Bearing-Witness-to-Natality-The-Politics-of-Birth" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Bearing Witness to Natality: The Politics of Birth at Auschwitz' </a>(2022)</p><p><a href="https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-031-61565-8_13" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Disability and Subsidiarity: Toward Social and Political Inclusion' </a>(with Parker Gamble, 2024)</p><p><strong>Other publications discussed in the episode</strong></p><p>Joan Tronto, <a href="https://CaringDemocracy:Markets,Equality,andJustice" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Caring Democracy: Markets, Equality, and Justice</em></a></p><p>Maurice Hamington, <a href="https://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/?id=c029288" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Embodied Care: Jane Addams, Maurice Merleau-Ponty, and Feminist Care Ethics</em></a></p><p>Alexis de Tocqueville, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_in_America" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Democracy in America</em></a> and <a href="https://undpress.nd.edu/9780268109059/memoirs-on-pauperism-and-other-writings/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Memoir on Pauperism</em></a></p><p>Paul Elie, <a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374529215/thelifeyousavemaybeyourown/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Life You Save May Be Your Own: an American Pilgrimage</em></a></p><p><strong>Some of the thinkers, writers and activists mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannah_Arendt" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hannah Arendt</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexis_de_Tocqueville" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Alexis de Tocqueville</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Augustine</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hobbes" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Thomas Hobbes</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Locke" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">John Locke</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Leo_XIII" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pope Leo XIII</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stuart_Mill" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">John Stuart Mill</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Addams" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jane Addams</a></p><p><a href="https://AliceHamilton" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Alice Hamilton</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flannery_O%27Connor" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Flannery O'Connor</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a></p><p><a href="https://uh.edu/hobby/about/faculty/daniel-engster/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Daniel Engster</a></p><p><a href="https://www.mhamington.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Hamington</a></p><p><a href="https://experts.exeter.ac.uk/26804-sarah-drews-lucas/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sarah Lucas</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Steiner" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Rudolf Steiner</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Vanier" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jean Vanier</a></p><p><strong>Other relevant links</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.larche.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">L'Arche</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camphill_Movement" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Camphill</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geel" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Geel</a></p><p><a href="https://CatholicSocialTeaching" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Catholic Social Teaching</a></p><p>For a transcript of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/communities-of-care-with-lorraine" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack newsletter.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/communities-of-care-with-lorraine-krall-mccrary]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">a2eeb143-dc62-443a-92e0-b98afcd43adf</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/27ffd8f6-d377-4ea6-acff-c99811bec007/PkEF66AJMgpSyUB8decK3Y0g.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2025 08:30:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/a2eeb143-dc62-443a-92e0-b98afcd43adf.mp3" length="56008832" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>58:20</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>23</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>23</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Revelations of divine care - with Melody Escobar</title><itunes:title>Revelations of divine care - with Melody Escobar</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>What can we learn about care from the experiences of mothers of children with disabilities? How can the writings of a medieval Christian mystic deepen our understanding of maternal love and care? Can the religious emphasis on kenosis, or self-giving love, be reconciled with a feminist perspective on care? And to what extent does the practice of intimate caregiving lead to a wider concern with equity and social justice?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://bcdd.soe.baylor.edu/person/melody-escobar" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Melody Escobar</a>. Melody is a postdoctoral research associate at <a href="https://www.baylor.edu/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Baylor University</a>, a private Christian University in Waco, Texas, where she is a research scholar for the <a href="https://bcdd.soe.baylor.edu/faith" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Baylor Collaborative on Faith and Disability</a>, in the <a href="https://bcdd.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Center for Developmental Disabilities</a>, and where she lectures on religion and disability, eco-justice, and mysticism.&nbsp;</p><p>Before completing her doctorate in Christian spirituality at Oblate School of Theology in San Antonio, Melody had a career in corporate communications spanning 18 years. She has served as a Catholic lay minister for more than 10 years in various capacities and she has also worked as a chaplain resident.  Melody’s research and publications in Christian spirituality and practical theology focus on families who experience disability, innovative models of ministry, and curricula advancing inclusion and belonging in academic and spiritual life.</p><p>Melody is the author of the book <a href="https://www.baylorpress.com/9781481320559/revelations-of-divine-care/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Revelations of Divine Care: Disability, Spirituality, and Mutual Flourishing,</em></a> which was published in 2024 by Baylor University Press, as part of their Studies in Religion, Theology, and Disability series.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:   </strong></p><p>Melody's personal, spiritual and academic journey<strong> </strong>(03:55)  <strong>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   </strong></p><p>Melody's experience as the mother of a child with a disability (06:00)</p><p>Equine-assisted therapy for children with disabilities (08:02)</p><p>The influence of the writings of Julian of Norwich on Melody's thinking (10:25)</p><p>The horse ring as a sacred space of community and belonging (13:55)</p><p>The importance of hospitality (17:01)</p><p>Melody's research with mothers of children with disabilities (19:10)</p><p>The importance of giving voice to mothers' experiences (25:12)</p><p>The key themes emerging from Melody's research (27:00)</p><p>Faith, spirituality, and care (29:20)</p><p>The contested role of kenotic, or self-giving love, in care (32:25)</p><p>The need for structural and policy reform to support mothers' caregiving (35:23)</p><p>The vision of maternal love in Julian of Norwich's writings (37:25)</p><p>Widening the circle of loving care (40:37)</p><p>The lessons of Melody's research for churches and faith communities (43:35)</p><p>Developments in disability theology (47:44)</p><p>Melody's forthcoming book 'Belonging Under The Bridge' (50:07)</p><p><strong>Some of the writers and thinkers mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_of_Norwich" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Julian of Norwich</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Sheldrake" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Philip Sheldrake</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Day" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Dorothy Day</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Nouwen" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Henri Nouwen</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_van_Manen" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Max van Manen</a></p><p><a href="https://www.devanstahl.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Devan Stahl</a></p><p><strong>Links</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equine-assisted_therapy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Equine-assisted therapy</a></p><p><a href="https://catholicworker.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Catholic Worker Movement</a></p><p><a href="https://churchunderthebridge.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Church Under the Bridge</a></p><p>For a transcript of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/revelations-of-divine-care-with-melody" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What can we learn about care from the experiences of mothers of children with disabilities? How can the writings of a medieval Christian mystic deepen our understanding of maternal love and care? Can the religious emphasis on kenosis, or self-giving love, be reconciled with a feminist perspective on care? And to what extent does the practice of intimate caregiving lead to a wider concern with equity and social justice?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://bcdd.soe.baylor.edu/person/melody-escobar" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Melody Escobar</a>. Melody is a postdoctoral research associate at <a href="https://www.baylor.edu/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Baylor University</a>, a private Christian University in Waco, Texas, where she is a research scholar for the <a href="https://bcdd.soe.baylor.edu/faith" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Baylor Collaborative on Faith and Disability</a>, in the <a href="https://bcdd.soe.baylor.edu/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Center for Developmental Disabilities</a>, and where she lectures on religion and disability, eco-justice, and mysticism.&nbsp;</p><p>Before completing her doctorate in Christian spirituality at Oblate School of Theology in San Antonio, Melody had a career in corporate communications spanning 18 years. She has served as a Catholic lay minister for more than 10 years in various capacities and she has also worked as a chaplain resident.  Melody’s research and publications in Christian spirituality and practical theology focus on families who experience disability, innovative models of ministry, and curricula advancing inclusion and belonging in academic and spiritual life.</p><p>Melody is the author of the book <a href="https://www.baylorpress.com/9781481320559/revelations-of-divine-care/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Revelations of Divine Care: Disability, Spirituality, and Mutual Flourishing,</em></a> which was published in 2024 by Baylor University Press, as part of their Studies in Religion, Theology, and Disability series.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:   </strong></p><p>Melody's personal, spiritual and academic journey<strong> </strong>(03:55)  <strong>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   </strong></p><p>Melody's experience as the mother of a child with a disability (06:00)</p><p>Equine-assisted therapy for children with disabilities (08:02)</p><p>The influence of the writings of Julian of Norwich on Melody's thinking (10:25)</p><p>The horse ring as a sacred space of community and belonging (13:55)</p><p>The importance of hospitality (17:01)</p><p>Melody's research with mothers of children with disabilities (19:10)</p><p>The importance of giving voice to mothers' experiences (25:12)</p><p>The key themes emerging from Melody's research (27:00)</p><p>Faith, spirituality, and care (29:20)</p><p>The contested role of kenotic, or self-giving love, in care (32:25)</p><p>The need for structural and policy reform to support mothers' caregiving (35:23)</p><p>The vision of maternal love in Julian of Norwich's writings (37:25)</p><p>Widening the circle of loving care (40:37)</p><p>The lessons of Melody's research for churches and faith communities (43:35)</p><p>Developments in disability theology (47:44)</p><p>Melody's forthcoming book 'Belonging Under The Bridge' (50:07)</p><p><strong>Some of the writers and thinkers mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_of_Norwich" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Julian of Norwich</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Sheldrake" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Philip Sheldrake</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Day" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Dorothy Day</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Nouwen" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Henri Nouwen</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_van_Manen" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Max van Manen</a></p><p><a href="https://www.devanstahl.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Devan Stahl</a></p><p><strong>Links</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equine-assisted_therapy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Equine-assisted therapy</a></p><p><a href="https://catholicworker.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Catholic Worker Movement</a></p><p><a href="https://churchunderthebridge.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Church Under the Bridge</a></p><p>For a transcript of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/revelations-of-divine-care-with-melody" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/revelations-of-divine-care-with-melody-escobar]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">d68f9ccd-69b4-4034-9d3c-c01eb770eedf</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/2a7c5445-3e51-4bad-bfdb-8d20a1a4984d/Egm1MGs2wiOZmoK4jX-SBL6M.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2025 09:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/d68f9ccd-69b4-4034-9d3c-c01eb770eedf.mp3" length="50595968" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>52:42</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>22</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>22</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Careful Thinking - Trailer</title><itunes:title>Careful Thinking - Trailer</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Careful Thinking explores ideas about care and features conversations with researchers, writers and practitioners at the cutting edge of current thinking about care. It was launched in November 2023 and can be found wherever you get your podcasts.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Careful Thinking explores ideas about care and features conversations with researchers, writers and practitioners at the cutting edge of current thinking about care. It was launched in November 2023 and can be found wherever you get your podcasts.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/trailer]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">0c123996-1a21-44e9-94e7-4d10c64aa0da</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/708ec664-2f3e-4802-8c3f-87f51301a9eb/L-k0askGMF3H1NOP47xxcZly.png"/><pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2025 10:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/1a3c0297-8421-4e66-a7da-4b2a6b73beb1/Careful-Thinking-Trailer-2025.mp3" length="1259648" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:19</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>trailer</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>Creating, knowing, and caring - with Merel Visse</title><itunes:title>Creating, knowing, and caring - with Merel Visse</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>How are the practice of art and the practice of care connected? In what ways might intellectual inquiry be a caring practice? And what part do wonder, poetry and 'unknowing' play in research - and in care?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://www.merelvisse.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Merel Visse</a>. Merel is a scholar, artist, editor and educator. She holds a faculty position in the <a href="https://drew.edu/academic/caspersen-school-of-graduate-studies/our-faculty-inspiring-leaders/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Caspersen School of Graduate Studies at Drew University</a> in New Jersey in the United States, where she chairs a master’s and doctoral degree program. Merel is also affiliated with the <a href="https://www.uvh.nl/university-of-humanistic-studies/contact/search-employees/merel-visse" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">University of Humanistic Studies in the Netherlands, Care Ethics Chair</a>. She serves on several editorial boards in the U.S.A. and was an artist in residence at the New York School of Visual Arts, and in 2018 at the NARS Foundation in Brooklyn. In the Netherlands, Merel co-founded the <a href="https://www.hku.nl/en/research-and-innovation/projects-research-and-innovation/meaningful-artistic-research" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Meaningful Artistic Research Program</a>, a collaboration between the University of Humanistic Studies and HKU University of the Arts, and with Elena Cologni at Anglia Ruskin University in the UK, she co-leads the <a href="https://art-and-care.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Art and Care Platform Series.</a></p><p>Merel is the <a href="https://uvh.academia.edu/merelvisse" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">author</a> of numerous journal articles and book chapters on art, care ethics, and research methodology. She’s the Visual Art Section Editor at the <em>International Journal of Education and the Arts</em>, for which she and Elena Cologni recently co-edited a special issue on <a href="https://www.ijea.org/v25si1/index.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">‘Art for the Sake of Care’</a>. In April, she will start serving as the co-editor of <a href="https://www.press.uillinois.edu/journals/?id=var" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Visual Arts Research </em></a>(VAR), a publication from the University of Illinois Press. In 2018, Merel co-edited the book <a href="https://www.infoagepub.com/products/Evaluation-for-a-Caring-Society" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Evaluation for a Caring Society</em>,</a> and in 2021 she co-authored the book <a href="https://www.infoagepub.com/products/A-Paradigm-of-Care" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>A</em> <em>Paradigm of Care</em></a> with Bob Stake. Merel and Bob recently submitted their manuscript for a mini-book on <a href="https://www.routledge.com/Researching-Care-with-Case-Studies/Stake-Visse/p/book/9781032987118" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Researching Care with Case Studies</em></a> to Routledge. Merel is currently focusing on the manuscript for <em>Precarious Knowing</em>, a project that recently expanded to include members of the 'Enduring' research group, and is set to be published by Springer.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>The roots of Merel's interest and involvement in art and care (03:48)</p><p>The 'Precarious Knowing' project (11:32)</p><p>Merel's practice as an artist (11:50)</p><p>The Meaningful Artistic Research Program (16:03) </p><p>The Art and Care Platform Series (18:59)</p><p>Special issue on 'Art for the Sake of Care' (20:45)</p><p>Relational autoethnography as a commitment to care (26:35)</p><p>Evaluation as a caring practice (30:23)</p><p>The role of wonder, 'unknowing' and the poetic in research and care (33: 52)</p><p>An 'aesthetic-apophatic' approach to qualitative inquiry (46:05) </p><p>The hospital bed as a landscape for materialised care (51:03)</p><p>Merel's forthcoming book on 'Precarious Knowing' (53:54)</p><p>Merel's collaboration with Bob Stake on 'A Paradigm of Care' and the forthcoming book 'Researching Care with Case Studies' (57:12)</p><p><strong>A selection of Merel's journal articles</strong></p><p>'<a href="https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1108/qrj-04-2016-0021/full/html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Autoethnography as a praxis of care - the promises and pitfalls of autoethnography as a commitment to care</a>' (with Alistair Niemeijer)</p><p>'<a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1609406920958975" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apophatic Inquiry: Living the Questions Themselves</a>' (with Finn Thorbjørn&nbsp;Hansen and Carlo Leget)</p><p>'<a href="https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Fqup0000281" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sometimes, Indirect is More Direct. An Aesthetic-Apophatic Phenomenological Approach to Self-Reflexivity in Qualitative Inquiry</a>'</p><p>'<a href="https://www.ijea.org/v25si1/v25si1.0/v25si1.0.pdf" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Art for the Sake of Care: Editorial Introduction</a>' (with Elena Cologni)</p><p><strong>Other publications referred to in the episode</strong></p><p>François&nbsp;Jullien, <a href="https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9781890951115/detour-and-access?srsltid=AfmBOopacDGBLbk1OYUSCq-2PRaTFJtNIN6QuyrqZYyPi2-KD4YHoBS5" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Detour and Access: Strategies of Meaning in China and Greece</em></a></p><p>François&nbsp;Jullien, <a href="https://www.seagullbooks.org/the-silent-transformations/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Silent Transformations</em></a></p><p>Finn Thorbjørn Hansen, Solveig Botnen Eide, and Carlo Leget (eds.) <a href="https://rowman.com/ISBN/9781666911213/Wonder-Silence-and-Human-Flourishing-Toward-a-Rehumanization-of-Health-Education-and-Welfare" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Wonder, Silence and Human Flourishing: Toward a Rehumanization of Health, Education, and Welfare</em></a></p><p>Matilda Carter (ed.)<a href="https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/bloomsbury-handbook-of-care-ethics-9781350428379/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Bloomsbury Handbook of Care Ethics</em></a></p><p><strong>Some of the writers, scholars and thinkers mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Georg_Gadamer" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hans-Georg Gadamer</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a></p><p><a href="https://www.mhamington.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Hamington</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/revolutionary-care-with-maurice-hamington" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 6</a>)</p><p><a href="https://ingevannistelrooij.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inge van Nistelrooij </a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/self-sacrifice-maternity-and-feminist-care-ethics-with-inge-van-nistelrooij" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 17</a>)</p><p><a href="https://www.uvh.nl/university-of-humanistic-studies/contact/search-employees/carlo-leget" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Carlo Leget </a>(see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/spiritual-care-with-carlo-leget" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 8</a>)</p><p><a href="https://vbn.aau.dk/en/persons/finnth" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Finn Thorbjørn Hansen</a></p><p><a href="https://www.uvh.nl/university-of-humanistic-studies/contact/search-employees/louis-van-den-hengel" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Louis van den Hengel</a></p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jake-smit-694436a8/?originalSubdomain=nl" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jake Smit</a></p><p><a href="https://www.newschool.edu/nssr/faculty/jamieson-webster/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jamieson Webster</a></p><p><a href="https://www.hku.nl/en/research/professorships/performative-creative-processes/nirav-christophe" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nirav Christophe</a></p><p><a href="https://www.hku.nl/onderzoek-en-innovatie/projecten-onderzoek-en-innovatie/the-aesthetics-of-touch" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Marloeke van der Vlugt</a></p><p><a href="https://www.hku.nl/onderzoek-en-innovatie/projecten-onderzoek-en-innovatie/designing-with-uncertainty" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Simona Kicurovska</a></p><p><a href="https://www.uvh.nl/university-of-humanistic-studies/contact/search-employees?person=dnsfdfoBsHowOfbPorO" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Andries Hiskes</a></p><p><a href="https://elenacologni.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Elena Cologni</a></p><p><a href="https://christineleroyplume.wordpress.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Christine Leroy </a>(see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/dance-empathy-and-care-with-christine-leroy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 7</a>)</p><p><a href="https://research.manchester.ac.uk/en/persons/james.thompson" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">James Thompson</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/care-aesthetics-with-james-thompson" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 11</a>)</p><p><a href="https://music.illinois.edu/people/profiles/liora-bresler/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Liora Bresler</a></p><p><a href="https://www.uvh.nl/contact/vind-een-medewerker/alistair-niemeijer" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Alistair Niemeijer</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_K._Denzin" rel="noopener noreferrer"...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How are the practice of art and the practice of care connected? In what ways might intellectual inquiry be a caring practice? And what part do wonder, poetry and 'unknowing' play in research - and in care?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://www.merelvisse.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Merel Visse</a>. Merel is a scholar, artist, editor and educator. She holds a faculty position in the <a href="https://drew.edu/academic/caspersen-school-of-graduate-studies/our-faculty-inspiring-leaders/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Caspersen School of Graduate Studies at Drew University</a> in New Jersey in the United States, where she chairs a master’s and doctoral degree program. Merel is also affiliated with the <a href="https://www.uvh.nl/university-of-humanistic-studies/contact/search-employees/merel-visse" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">University of Humanistic Studies in the Netherlands, Care Ethics Chair</a>. She serves on several editorial boards in the U.S.A. and was an artist in residence at the New York School of Visual Arts, and in 2018 at the NARS Foundation in Brooklyn. In the Netherlands, Merel co-founded the <a href="https://www.hku.nl/en/research-and-innovation/projects-research-and-innovation/meaningful-artistic-research" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Meaningful Artistic Research Program</a>, a collaboration between the University of Humanistic Studies and HKU University of the Arts, and with Elena Cologni at Anglia Ruskin University in the UK, she co-leads the <a href="https://art-and-care.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Art and Care Platform Series.</a></p><p>Merel is the <a href="https://uvh.academia.edu/merelvisse" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">author</a> of numerous journal articles and book chapters on art, care ethics, and research methodology. She’s the Visual Art Section Editor at the <em>International Journal of Education and the Arts</em>, for which she and Elena Cologni recently co-edited a special issue on <a href="https://www.ijea.org/v25si1/index.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">‘Art for the Sake of Care’</a>. In April, she will start serving as the co-editor of <a href="https://www.press.uillinois.edu/journals/?id=var" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Visual Arts Research </em></a>(VAR), a publication from the University of Illinois Press. In 2018, Merel co-edited the book <a href="https://www.infoagepub.com/products/Evaluation-for-a-Caring-Society" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Evaluation for a Caring Society</em>,</a> and in 2021 she co-authored the book <a href="https://www.infoagepub.com/products/A-Paradigm-of-Care" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>A</em> <em>Paradigm of Care</em></a> with Bob Stake. Merel and Bob recently submitted their manuscript for a mini-book on <a href="https://www.routledge.com/Researching-Care-with-Case-Studies/Stake-Visse/p/book/9781032987118" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Researching Care with Case Studies</em></a> to Routledge. Merel is currently focusing on the manuscript for <em>Precarious Knowing</em>, a project that recently expanded to include members of the 'Enduring' research group, and is set to be published by Springer.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>The roots of Merel's interest and involvement in art and care (03:48)</p><p>The 'Precarious Knowing' project (11:32)</p><p>Merel's practice as an artist (11:50)</p><p>The Meaningful Artistic Research Program (16:03) </p><p>The Art and Care Platform Series (18:59)</p><p>Special issue on 'Art for the Sake of Care' (20:45)</p><p>Relational autoethnography as a commitment to care (26:35)</p><p>Evaluation as a caring practice (30:23)</p><p>The role of wonder, 'unknowing' and the poetic in research and care (33: 52)</p><p>An 'aesthetic-apophatic' approach to qualitative inquiry (46:05) </p><p>The hospital bed as a landscape for materialised care (51:03)</p><p>Merel's forthcoming book on 'Precarious Knowing' (53:54)</p><p>Merel's collaboration with Bob Stake on 'A Paradigm of Care' and the forthcoming book 'Researching Care with Case Studies' (57:12)</p><p><strong>A selection of Merel's journal articles</strong></p><p>'<a href="https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1108/qrj-04-2016-0021/full/html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Autoethnography as a praxis of care - the promises and pitfalls of autoethnography as a commitment to care</a>' (with Alistair Niemeijer)</p><p>'<a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1609406920958975" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apophatic Inquiry: Living the Questions Themselves</a>' (with Finn Thorbjørn&nbsp;Hansen and Carlo Leget)</p><p>'<a href="https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Fqup0000281" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sometimes, Indirect is More Direct. An Aesthetic-Apophatic Phenomenological Approach to Self-Reflexivity in Qualitative Inquiry</a>'</p><p>'<a href="https://www.ijea.org/v25si1/v25si1.0/v25si1.0.pdf" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Art for the Sake of Care: Editorial Introduction</a>' (with Elena Cologni)</p><p><strong>Other publications referred to in the episode</strong></p><p>François&nbsp;Jullien, <a href="https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9781890951115/detour-and-access?srsltid=AfmBOopacDGBLbk1OYUSCq-2PRaTFJtNIN6QuyrqZYyPi2-KD4YHoBS5" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Detour and Access: Strategies of Meaning in China and Greece</em></a></p><p>François&nbsp;Jullien, <a href="https://www.seagullbooks.org/the-silent-transformations/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Silent Transformations</em></a></p><p>Finn Thorbjørn Hansen, Solveig Botnen Eide, and Carlo Leget (eds.) <a href="https://rowman.com/ISBN/9781666911213/Wonder-Silence-and-Human-Flourishing-Toward-a-Rehumanization-of-Health-Education-and-Welfare" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Wonder, Silence and Human Flourishing: Toward a Rehumanization of Health, Education, and Welfare</em></a></p><p>Matilda Carter (ed.)<a href="https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/bloomsbury-handbook-of-care-ethics-9781350428379/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Bloomsbury Handbook of Care Ethics</em></a></p><p><strong>Some of the writers, scholars and thinkers mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Georg_Gadamer" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hans-Georg Gadamer</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a></p><p><a href="https://www.mhamington.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Hamington</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/revolutionary-care-with-maurice-hamington" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 6</a>)</p><p><a href="https://ingevannistelrooij.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inge van Nistelrooij </a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/self-sacrifice-maternity-and-feminist-care-ethics-with-inge-van-nistelrooij" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 17</a>)</p><p><a href="https://www.uvh.nl/university-of-humanistic-studies/contact/search-employees/carlo-leget" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Carlo Leget </a>(see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/spiritual-care-with-carlo-leget" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 8</a>)</p><p><a href="https://vbn.aau.dk/en/persons/finnth" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Finn Thorbjørn Hansen</a></p><p><a href="https://www.uvh.nl/university-of-humanistic-studies/contact/search-employees/louis-van-den-hengel" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Louis van den Hengel</a></p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jake-smit-694436a8/?originalSubdomain=nl" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jake Smit</a></p><p><a href="https://www.newschool.edu/nssr/faculty/jamieson-webster/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jamieson Webster</a></p><p><a href="https://www.hku.nl/en/research/professorships/performative-creative-processes/nirav-christophe" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nirav Christophe</a></p><p><a href="https://www.hku.nl/onderzoek-en-innovatie/projecten-onderzoek-en-innovatie/the-aesthetics-of-touch" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Marloeke van der Vlugt</a></p><p><a href="https://www.hku.nl/onderzoek-en-innovatie/projecten-onderzoek-en-innovatie/designing-with-uncertainty" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Simona Kicurovska</a></p><p><a href="https://www.uvh.nl/university-of-humanistic-studies/contact/search-employees?person=dnsfdfoBsHowOfbPorO" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Andries Hiskes</a></p><p><a href="https://elenacologni.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Elena Cologni</a></p><p><a href="https://christineleroyplume.wordpress.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Christine Leroy </a>(see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/dance-empathy-and-care-with-christine-leroy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 7</a>)</p><p><a href="https://research.manchester.ac.uk/en/persons/james.thompson" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">James Thompson</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/care-aesthetics-with-james-thompson" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 11</a>)</p><p><a href="https://music.illinois.edu/people/profiles/liora-bresler/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Liora Bresler</a></p><p><a href="https://www.uvh.nl/contact/vind-een-medewerker/alistair-niemeijer" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Alistair Niemeijer</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_K._Denzin" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Norman K. Denzin</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Stake" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Robert E. Stake</a></p><p><a href="https://education.illinois.edu/profile/thomas-schwandt" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Thomas Schwandt</a></p><p><a href="https://www.universiteitleiden.nl/en/staffmembers/tineke-abma#tab-1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Tineke Abma</a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Hanneke-Meide" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hanneke van der Meide</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Jullien" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">François Jullien</a></p><p><a href="https://donaldwijsenbek.nl/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Donald Wijsenbek</a></p><p><a href="https://ethicsofcare.org/personal-memories-of-frans-vosman-1952-2020/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Frans Vosman</a></p><p><a href="https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/cross_fac/cim/people/maria-puig-de-la-bellacasa/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maria Puig de la Bellacasa</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandra_Laugier" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sandra Laugier</a></p><p><a href="https://www.leydenacademy.nl/truus-teunissen-2/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Truus Teunissen</a></p><p><a href="https://jacquelinekool.nl/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jacqueline Kool</a></p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-lindhout-5356a712/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Paul Lindhout</a></p><p><strong>Links</strong></p><p><a href="https://icqi.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">International Congress of Qualitative Inquiry (ICQI)</a></p><p><a href="https://care-ethics.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Care Ethics Research Consortium</a></p><p>For a transcript of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/creating-knowing-and-caring-with" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/creating-knowing-and-caring-with-merel-visse]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">75aab277-93c0-4180-9d67-1cb6ae37e01a</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/3799a44a-b255-4545-8993-04d852a46bf5/BcGsMhwTw2sT42-rprjne9w4.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2025 08:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/844be424-fecf-4a52-a87c-d59af0f5a86d/Careful-Thinking-Merel-Visse.mp3" length="59951232" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:02:27</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>21</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>21</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Caring presence - with Andries Baart and Guus Timmerman</title><itunes:title>Caring presence - with Andries Baart and Guus Timmerman</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>What does it mean to 'practise presence' in caring for others? How did the theory of presence develop from research on everyday care practice? And what are the professional, organisational and political implications of presence theory and relational caring?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://nwu.academia.edu/AndriesBaart" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Andries Baart </a>and <a href="https://tilburguniversity.academia.edu/GuusTimmerman" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Guus Timmerman. </a></p><p><strong>Andries</strong> is Extraordinary Professor in the field of ageing and generational dynamics at North-West University in South Africa. He is also a former visiting professor at the Department of Psychiatry of the University Medical Centre Utrecht, and Professor Emeritus of the University of Humanistic Studies, Tilburg University, and Catholic Theological University Utrecht – all in the Netherlands. Andries has been one of the leading figures in the development of care ethics in the Netherland and in 2004, with others, he founded <a href="https://www.presentie.nl/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Stichting Presentie</em></a> - the <a href="https://www.presentie.nl/international-page-for-presence-foundation/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Presence Foundation</a>.</p><p><strong>Guus</strong> has worked as a care ethicist and qualitative researcher at the Presence Foundation since 2014 and has published widely on relational caring and presence in healthcare and social work, and on the methodology of qualitative research. Guus has undertaken research on the care and practical wisdom of general practitioners at the sick- and death-beds of their patients; the life-world of people in Rotterdam who use the bed-bath-bread provision for irregular migrants and rejected asylum seekers; and what it is like to be a person with advanced dementia. His current research is on narrative accountability in care for older persons: giving insight to relevant interlocutors through stories.</p><p>Andries and Guus have collaborated on a new book, <a href="https://policy.bristoluniversitypress.co.uk/relational-caring-and-presence-theory-in-health-care-and-social-work" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Relational Caring and Presence Theory in Health Care and Social Work: a Care-Ethical Perspective</em></a>, which was published in December last year by Policy Press, and which forms the main focus of our conversation in this episode.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Andries' personal and professional journey to his work in care ethics (03:45)</p><p>Guus' personal and professional journey (09:15)</p><p>The life, work and influence of Frans Vosman (14:20)</p><p>The aims of Andries' and Guus' new book ﻿(19:55)</p><p>The key elements of relational caring and presence theory (23:35) </p><p>The origins of presence theory in Andries' study of outreach pastoral care (27:11)</p><p>The religious inspiration and secular relevance of presence theory, and the importance of 'exposure' in practising presence (31:18)</p><p>The theoretical roots of presence theory (34:53)</p><p>Comparing the presence approach with Joan Tronto's five-phase caring process (43:34)</p><p>The distinctiveness of the presence approach to care practice (50:07)</p><p>The relationship between presence theory and care ethics (46:55)</p><p>The organisational implications of practising presence and relational caring (52:55)</p><p>The implications of presence theory for thinking about professionalism (55:40)</p><p>How realistic is practising presence in the context of everyday care practice? (59:30)</p><p>The political implications of presence theory (01:03:30)</p><p>The work of the Presence Foundation (01:07:05) </p><p>Andries' and Guus' current work and future plans (01:09:15)</p><p><strong>Writers, theorists and activists mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://ethicsofcare.org/personal-memories-of-frans-vosman-1952-2020/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Frans Vosman</a></p><p><a href="https://www.uvh.nl/university-of-humanistic-studies/contact/search-employees/carlo-leget" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Carlo Leget</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/spiritual-care-with-carlo-leget" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 8</a>)</p><p><a href="https://ingevannistelrooij.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inge van Nistelrooij</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/self-sacrifice-maternity-and-feminist-care-ethics-with-inge-van-nistelrooij" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 17</a>)</p><p><a href="https://www.thomasinstituut.org/nws.php?nws_id=55" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Theo Beemer</a></p><p><a href="https://henkmanschot.nl/homepage/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Henk Manschot</a></p><p><a href="https://marianverkerk.nl/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Marian Verkerk</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Gilligan" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Carol Gilligan</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a></p><p><a href="https://philpapers.org/rec/FISNAI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Berenice Fisher</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nel_Noddings" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nell Noddings</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Ruddick" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sara Ruddick</a></p><p><a href="https://graduategenderstudies.nl/in-memoriam-selma-sevenhuijsen-1948-2024/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Selma Sevenhuijsen</a></p><p><a href="https://www.zorgethiek.nu/tag/annelies-van-heijst/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Annelies van Heijst</a></p><p><a href="https://www.mhamington.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Hamington</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Held" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Virginia Held</a></p><p><a href="https://uh.edu/hobby/about/faculty/daniel-engster/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Daniel Engster </a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Sophie-Bourgault-2084573050" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sophie Bourgault</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Slote" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Michael Slote</a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Marian-Barnes-2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Marian Barnes</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_de_Foucauld" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Charles de Foucauld</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_Delbr%C3%AAl" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Madeleine Delbrêl&nbsp;</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Day" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Dorothy Day</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%BCrgen_Habermas" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jürgen Habermas&nbsp;</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axel_Honneth" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Axel Honneth</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Levinas" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Emmanuel Levinas</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Buber" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Martin Buber</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Rosenzweig" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Franz Rosenzweig</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Derrida" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jacques Derrida</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Georg_Gadamer" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hans-George Gadamer</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Wittgenstein" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ludwig Wittgenstein</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_de_Certeau" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Michel de Certeau</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Lefebvre" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Henri Lefebvre</a></p><p><a href="https://www.fb03.uni-frankfurt.de/125241069/Thomas_Biebricher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Thomas Biebricher</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabell_Lorey" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Isabell Lorey</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharon_D._Welch" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sharon Welch</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandra_Harding" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sandra Harding</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alastair_Macintyre" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Alastair MacIntyre</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taylor_(philosopher)" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Charles Taylor</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ric%C5%93ur" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Paul Ricoeur</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Marcel" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Gabriel Marcel</a></p><p><strong>Other links</strong></p><p><a href="https://ThePresenceFoundation(StichtingPresentie)" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Presence Foundation (<em>Stichting Presentie</em>)</a></p><p><a href="https://www.commentary.org/articles/norman-birnbaum-2/the-worker-priests-translated-by-john-petrie/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Worker-Priest movement</a></p><p><a href="https://catholicworker.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Catholic Worker movement</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School"...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does it mean to 'practise presence' in caring for others? How did the theory of presence develop from research on everyday care practice? And what are the professional, organisational and political implications of presence theory and relational caring?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://nwu.academia.edu/AndriesBaart" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Andries Baart </a>and <a href="https://tilburguniversity.academia.edu/GuusTimmerman" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Guus Timmerman. </a></p><p><strong>Andries</strong> is Extraordinary Professor in the field of ageing and generational dynamics at North-West University in South Africa. He is also a former visiting professor at the Department of Psychiatry of the University Medical Centre Utrecht, and Professor Emeritus of the University of Humanistic Studies, Tilburg University, and Catholic Theological University Utrecht – all in the Netherlands. Andries has been one of the leading figures in the development of care ethics in the Netherland and in 2004, with others, he founded <a href="https://www.presentie.nl/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Stichting Presentie</em></a> - the <a href="https://www.presentie.nl/international-page-for-presence-foundation/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Presence Foundation</a>.</p><p><strong>Guus</strong> has worked as a care ethicist and qualitative researcher at the Presence Foundation since 2014 and has published widely on relational caring and presence in healthcare and social work, and on the methodology of qualitative research. Guus has undertaken research on the care and practical wisdom of general practitioners at the sick- and death-beds of their patients; the life-world of people in Rotterdam who use the bed-bath-bread provision for irregular migrants and rejected asylum seekers; and what it is like to be a person with advanced dementia. His current research is on narrative accountability in care for older persons: giving insight to relevant interlocutors through stories.</p><p>Andries and Guus have collaborated on a new book, <a href="https://policy.bristoluniversitypress.co.uk/relational-caring-and-presence-theory-in-health-care-and-social-work" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Relational Caring and Presence Theory in Health Care and Social Work: a Care-Ethical Perspective</em></a>, which was published in December last year by Policy Press, and which forms the main focus of our conversation in this episode.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Andries' personal and professional journey to his work in care ethics (03:45)</p><p>Guus' personal and professional journey (09:15)</p><p>The life, work and influence of Frans Vosman (14:20)</p><p>The aims of Andries' and Guus' new book ﻿(19:55)</p><p>The key elements of relational caring and presence theory (23:35) </p><p>The origins of presence theory in Andries' study of outreach pastoral care (27:11)</p><p>The religious inspiration and secular relevance of presence theory, and the importance of 'exposure' in practising presence (31:18)</p><p>The theoretical roots of presence theory (34:53)</p><p>Comparing the presence approach with Joan Tronto's five-phase caring process (43:34)</p><p>The distinctiveness of the presence approach to care practice (50:07)</p><p>The relationship between presence theory and care ethics (46:55)</p><p>The organisational implications of practising presence and relational caring (52:55)</p><p>The implications of presence theory for thinking about professionalism (55:40)</p><p>How realistic is practising presence in the context of everyday care practice? (59:30)</p><p>The political implications of presence theory (01:03:30)</p><p>The work of the Presence Foundation (01:07:05) </p><p>Andries' and Guus' current work and future plans (01:09:15)</p><p><strong>Writers, theorists and activists mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://ethicsofcare.org/personal-memories-of-frans-vosman-1952-2020/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Frans Vosman</a></p><p><a href="https://www.uvh.nl/university-of-humanistic-studies/contact/search-employees/carlo-leget" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Carlo Leget</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/spiritual-care-with-carlo-leget" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 8</a>)</p><p><a href="https://ingevannistelrooij.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inge van Nistelrooij</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/self-sacrifice-maternity-and-feminist-care-ethics-with-inge-van-nistelrooij" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 17</a>)</p><p><a href="https://www.thomasinstituut.org/nws.php?nws_id=55" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Theo Beemer</a></p><p><a href="https://henkmanschot.nl/homepage/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Henk Manschot</a></p><p><a href="https://marianverkerk.nl/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Marian Verkerk</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Gilligan" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Carol Gilligan</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a></p><p><a href="https://philpapers.org/rec/FISNAI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Berenice Fisher</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nel_Noddings" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nell Noddings</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Ruddick" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sara Ruddick</a></p><p><a href="https://graduategenderstudies.nl/in-memoriam-selma-sevenhuijsen-1948-2024/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Selma Sevenhuijsen</a></p><p><a href="https://www.zorgethiek.nu/tag/annelies-van-heijst/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Annelies van Heijst</a></p><p><a href="https://www.mhamington.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Hamington</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Held" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Virginia Held</a></p><p><a href="https://uh.edu/hobby/about/faculty/daniel-engster/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Daniel Engster </a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Sophie-Bourgault-2084573050" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sophie Bourgault</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Slote" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Michael Slote</a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Marian-Barnes-2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Marian Barnes</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_de_Foucauld" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Charles de Foucauld</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_Delbr%C3%AAl" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Madeleine Delbrêl&nbsp;</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Day" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Dorothy Day</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%BCrgen_Habermas" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jürgen Habermas&nbsp;</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axel_Honneth" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Axel Honneth</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Levinas" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Emmanuel Levinas</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Buber" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Martin Buber</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Rosenzweig" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Franz Rosenzweig</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Derrida" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jacques Derrida</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans-Georg_Gadamer" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hans-George Gadamer</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Wittgenstein" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ludwig Wittgenstein</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_de_Certeau" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Michel de Certeau</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Lefebvre" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Henri Lefebvre</a></p><p><a href="https://www.fb03.uni-frankfurt.de/125241069/Thomas_Biebricher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Thomas Biebricher</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabell_Lorey" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Isabell Lorey</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharon_D._Welch" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sharon Welch</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandra_Harding" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sandra Harding</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alastair_Macintyre" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Alastair MacIntyre</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taylor_(philosopher)" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Charles Taylor</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ric%C5%93ur" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Paul Ricoeur</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Marcel" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Gabriel Marcel</a></p><p><strong>Other links</strong></p><p><a href="https://ThePresenceFoundation(StichtingPresentie)" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Presence Foundation (<em>Stichting Presentie</em>)</a></p><p><a href="https://www.commentary.org/articles/norman-birnbaum-2/the-worker-priests-translated-by-john-petrie/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Worker-Priest movement</a></p><p><a href="https://catholicworker.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Catholic Worker movement</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Frankfurt School</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discourse_analysis" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Discourse analysis</a></p><p><a href="https://www.peeters-leuven.be/search_results.php?series=%22ETHICS+OF+CARE%22&amp;lang=en&amp;exact=true" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Peeters 'Ethics of Care' series</a></p><p><a href="https://global.oup.com/academic/product/part-time-for-all-9780190642754?cc=gb&amp;lang=en&amp;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Part-Time for All: A Care Manifesto</em> by Jennifer Nedelsky and Tom Malleson</a></p><p>For a transcript of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/caring-presence-with-andries-baart" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/caring-presence-with-andries-baart-and-guus-timmerman]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">9be14e0c-4882-4a6e-b74f-4d497054087a</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/d3438396-8936-4ea3-96bf-1f166f2c6d2c/7WSqABGMrfR93a-EwJTeKDJ_.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2025 09:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c9dd2d39-277b-4572-9807-76dfd54c27f8/Careful-Thinking-Andries-and-Guus.mp3" length="72564864" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:15:35</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>20</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>20</podcast:episode></item><item><title>A &apos;revolucionista&apos; ethic of care - with Mia Sosa-Provencio</title><itunes:title>A &apos;revolucionista&apos; ethic of care - with Mia Sosa-Provencio</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>How has the legacy of conquest and colonisation shaped the educational experiences of students and teachers in New Mexico? What can educators do to enable students to bring their embodied knowledge and intergenerational wisdom into educational spaces? And in what ways are (Nuevo) Mexicana educators developing a 'revolucionista' ethic of care?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://coehs.unm.edu/faculty-staff/profiles/sosa-provencio-mia.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mia Sosa-Provencio</a>. Mia is an Associate Professor of Secondary Education in the Department of Teacher Education, Educational Leadership, and Policy, at the University of New Mexico. She taught Language Arts for seven years at Rio Grande High School in the South Valley of Albuquerque, before studying for a PhD in Curriculum and Instruction, with an emphasis on Critical Pedagogies, at New Mexico State University.</p><p>Mia has <a href="https://independent.academia.edu/MiaSosaProvencio" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">published</a> widely in the field of critical education studies, with a number of recent articles seeking to develop a Mexicana/Mestiza Critical Feminist Ethic of Care, drawing on her research, which uses <em>Testimonio</em> methodology, with educators living and working along the U.S.-Mexico border.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Mia's cultural roots and the social, political and historical context of New Mexico (02:32)</p><p>Mia's personal experience of the US education system as a child (07:55)</p><p>The impact of Mia's experience as a high school teacher in Albuquerque (13:05)</p><p>Mia's current work preparing teachers to practice education as social justice (15:42)</p><p>The ways in which care is excluded from educational spaces (19:48)</p><p>Mia's ethnographic research with Mexicana/Mestiza educators using <em>Testimonio </em>methodology (20:55)</p><p>Learning from Rosa's and Diana's narratives about ways of embodying a <em>revolucionista</em> ethic of care (26:15)</p><p>Towards a critical feminist ethic of care (34:12)</p><p>Developing an 'in the flesh' ethic of care: the importance of body and land (39:11)</p><p>The role of humour and play in creating a social justice <em>revolución</em> (49:17)</p><p>Mia's ongoing work and her hopes for its impact on policy and practice (01:01:04)</p><p><strong>A selection of Mia's publications</strong></p><p><a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.3102/0002831218814168" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'A <em>Revolucionista</em> Ethic of Care: Four Mexicana Educators' Subterraneous Social Justice Revolución<strong> </strong>of Fighting and Feeding'</a></p><p><a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15348431.2015.1134537" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Seeking a <em>Mexicana/Mestiza</em> Critical Feminist Ethic of Care: Diana's <em>Revolución</em> of Body and Being'</a></p><p>'<a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13613324.2016.1150833" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Seeking a <em>Mexicana/Mestiza</em> Ethic of Care: Rosa's <em>Revolución</em> of carrying alongside'</a></p><p><a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15595692.2017.1393798" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>'Curriculum of the Mestiza/o Body</em>: Living and Learning Through a Corporal Landscape of Resistance and (Re)generation'</a></p><p><a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10665684.2021.1995534" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>'Tu eres mi otro yo/</em>You Are My Other Me: An&nbsp;<em>In-The-Flesh</em>&nbsp;Ethic of Care Centering Body and Emotionality as Speaking Subjects Fostering Dignity, Interconnection, and Racialized Healing'</a></p><p>'Seeking a Culturally Relevant Ethic of Care for Mexican/Mexican American Youth: A Revolucionista Ethic of Care and its Wily, Tactical Mechanism of Humor' (forthcoming)</p><p><strong>Scholars, writers and activists mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_Anzald%C3%BAa" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Gloria Anzaldúa</a></p><p><a href="https://umwa.memphis.edu/fcv/viewprofile.php?uuid=becross" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Beverly E Cross</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanessa_Siddle_Walker" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vanessa Siddle Walker</a></p><p><a href="https://soe.lmu.edu/about/leadership/dolores-delgado-bernal/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Dolores Delgado Bernal</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aida_Hurtado" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Aida Hurtado</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chela_Sandoval" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Chela Sandoval</a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Lourdes_Soto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Lourdes Diaz Soto</a></p><p><a href="https://www.mhamington.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Hamington</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/revolutionary-care-with-maurice-hamington" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 6</a>)</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nel_Noddings" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nell Noddings</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Lugones" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maria Lugones</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherr%C3%ADe_Moraga" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Cherríe Moraga</a></p><p><a href="https://sarahmunawar.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sarah Munawar</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/a-muslim-feminist-ethic-of-care-with-sarah-munawar" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 13</a>)</p><p><strong>Other links</strong></p><p><a href="https://read.dukeupress.edu/books/book/2245/Telling-to-LiveLatina-Feminist-Testimonios" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Latina Feminist Group</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pensamiento_Serpentino" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Pensamiento Serpentino</em></a> ('In Lak'ech' - poem)</p><p>For a transcript of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/a-revolucionista-ethic-of-care-with" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How has the legacy of conquest and colonisation shaped the educational experiences of students and teachers in New Mexico? What can educators do to enable students to bring their embodied knowledge and intergenerational wisdom into educational spaces? And in what ways are (Nuevo) Mexicana educators developing a 'revolucionista' ethic of care?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://coehs.unm.edu/faculty-staff/profiles/sosa-provencio-mia.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mia Sosa-Provencio</a>. Mia is an Associate Professor of Secondary Education in the Department of Teacher Education, Educational Leadership, and Policy, at the University of New Mexico. She taught Language Arts for seven years at Rio Grande High School in the South Valley of Albuquerque, before studying for a PhD in Curriculum and Instruction, with an emphasis on Critical Pedagogies, at New Mexico State University.</p><p>Mia has <a href="https://independent.academia.edu/MiaSosaProvencio" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">published</a> widely in the field of critical education studies, with a number of recent articles seeking to develop a Mexicana/Mestiza Critical Feminist Ethic of Care, drawing on her research, which uses <em>Testimonio</em> methodology, with educators living and working along the U.S.-Mexico border.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Mia's cultural roots and the social, political and historical context of New Mexico (02:32)</p><p>Mia's personal experience of the US education system as a child (07:55)</p><p>The impact of Mia's experience as a high school teacher in Albuquerque (13:05)</p><p>Mia's current work preparing teachers to practice education as social justice (15:42)</p><p>The ways in which care is excluded from educational spaces (19:48)</p><p>Mia's ethnographic research with Mexicana/Mestiza educators using <em>Testimonio </em>methodology (20:55)</p><p>Learning from Rosa's and Diana's narratives about ways of embodying a <em>revolucionista</em> ethic of care (26:15)</p><p>Towards a critical feminist ethic of care (34:12)</p><p>Developing an 'in the flesh' ethic of care: the importance of body and land (39:11)</p><p>The role of humour and play in creating a social justice <em>revolución</em> (49:17)</p><p>Mia's ongoing work and her hopes for its impact on policy and practice (01:01:04)</p><p><strong>A selection of Mia's publications</strong></p><p><a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.3102/0002831218814168" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'A <em>Revolucionista</em> Ethic of Care: Four Mexicana Educators' Subterraneous Social Justice Revolución<strong> </strong>of Fighting and Feeding'</a></p><p><a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15348431.2015.1134537" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Seeking a <em>Mexicana/Mestiza</em> Critical Feminist Ethic of Care: Diana's <em>Revolución</em> of Body and Being'</a></p><p>'<a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13613324.2016.1150833" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Seeking a <em>Mexicana/Mestiza</em> Ethic of Care: Rosa's <em>Revolución</em> of carrying alongside'</a></p><p><a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15595692.2017.1393798" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>'Curriculum of the Mestiza/o Body</em>: Living and Learning Through a Corporal Landscape of Resistance and (Re)generation'</a></p><p><a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10665684.2021.1995534" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>'Tu eres mi otro yo/</em>You Are My Other Me: An&nbsp;<em>In-The-Flesh</em>&nbsp;Ethic of Care Centering Body and Emotionality as Speaking Subjects Fostering Dignity, Interconnection, and Racialized Healing'</a></p><p>'Seeking a Culturally Relevant Ethic of Care for Mexican/Mexican American Youth: A Revolucionista Ethic of Care and its Wily, Tactical Mechanism of Humor' (forthcoming)</p><p><strong>Scholars, writers and activists mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_Anzald%C3%BAa" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Gloria Anzaldúa</a></p><p><a href="https://umwa.memphis.edu/fcv/viewprofile.php?uuid=becross" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Beverly E Cross</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanessa_Siddle_Walker" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vanessa Siddle Walker</a></p><p><a href="https://soe.lmu.edu/about/leadership/dolores-delgado-bernal/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Dolores Delgado Bernal</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aida_Hurtado" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Aida Hurtado</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chela_Sandoval" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Chela Sandoval</a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Lourdes_Soto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Lourdes Diaz Soto</a></p><p><a href="https://www.mhamington.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Hamington</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/revolutionary-care-with-maurice-hamington" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 6</a>)</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nel_Noddings" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nell Noddings</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Lugones" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maria Lugones</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherr%C3%ADe_Moraga" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Cherríe Moraga</a></p><p><a href="https://sarahmunawar.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sarah Munawar</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/a-muslim-feminist-ethic-of-care-with-sarah-munawar" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 13</a>)</p><p><strong>Other links</strong></p><p><a href="https://read.dukeupress.edu/books/book/2245/Telling-to-LiveLatina-Feminist-Testimonios" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Latina Feminist Group</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pensamiento_Serpentino" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Pensamiento Serpentino</em></a> ('In Lak'ech' - poem)</p><p>For a transcript of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/a-revolucionista-ethic-of-care-with" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/a-revolucionista-ethic-of-care-with-mia-sosa-provencio]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">c89109e0-721f-42e0-83c4-48b9a34eafe3</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/41b5e6ac-45a4-4536-8388-60c44ba8b9a7/P6oWs58ymEjRZ96klkbOLfty.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2025 08:20:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/93c6a2f3-7108-4ddc-b3fe-15c410e7a36c/Careful-Thinking-Mia-Sosa-Provencio.mp3" length="63842432" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:06:30</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>19</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>19</podcast:episode></item><item><title>A care ethical perspective on surrogacy - with Priya Sharma</title><itunes:title>A care ethical perspective on surrogacy - with Priya Sharma</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>What has been the impact of recent attempts to regulate surrogacy in India? How do surrogate mothers view their participation in the process? Can feminist care ethics, and specifically an understanding of care as labour, contribute to a better understanding of surrogacy? And what are the strengths and weaknesses of the radical feminist case against surrogacy?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode with <a href="https://www.criticalmidwiferystudies.com/lecturers/priya-sharma" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Priya Sharma</a>. Priya recently took up a position as an Assistant Professor in the Humanities and Social Science at <a href="https://www.tapmi.edu.in/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">T A Pai Management Institute</a>, on the Bengalaru Campus of Manipal Academy of Higher Education, in India. She has an academic background in anthropology, sociology and philosophy, and practical experience of working with a variety of social justice movements. Priya’s doctoral research at the <a href="https://www.iitb.ac.in/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Indian Institute of Technology </a>in Mumbai, where she was until recently a postdoctoral fellow, developed a care ethical perspective on surrogacy regulation in India. </p><p>Building on her doctoral work, Priya has published an article, with her supervisor Amrita Banerjee, on ‘<a href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/hypatia/article/abs/animating-the-affectcarelabor-link-in-the-wake-of-the-surrogacy-regulation-bill-care-ethics-and-policymaking-on-indian-surrogacy/480D958750B31E70BFD95FAA061F7AA1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Animating the Affect–Care–Labor Link in the Wake of “The Surrogacy (Regulation) Bill”: Care Ethics and Policymaking on Indian Surrogacy</a>’ in the journal <em>Hypatia, </em>and she has contributed a chapter entitled ‘Whose Ethos?: A Case of Indian Surrogacy law and its Moral Bedrock’ to the forthcoming <a href="https://www.routledge.com/The-Routledge-Companion-to-Gender-and-Reproduction/KatzRothman-Newnham-vanderWaal-Sillo/p/book/9781032515083" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Routledge Companion to Gender and Reproduction</em></a><em>. </em>Priya is also currently co-editing a volume on <em>Technology, Mothering, and Care Ethics</em> in the Peeters <a href="https://www.peeters-leuven.be/search_results.php?series=%22ETHICS+OF+CARE%22&amp;lang=en&amp;exact=true" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ethics of Care </a>series, and is a guest editor for a journal special issue on <a href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/page/journal/1523536x/homepage/call-for-papers/critical-midwifery-studies" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Critical Midwifery Studies</a>.</p><p><em>Please note that the sound quality of this episode is less than ideal in places, due to a poor internet connection, so listeners may wish to refer to the transcript (link below) to aid understanding.</em></p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Priya's academic background and the origins of her interest in reproductive care (02:54)</p><p>Understanding surrogacy in the Indian context (09:50)</p><p>The regulation of surrogacy in India (17:16)</p><p>Priya's ethnographic research with surrogate women (22:32)</p><p>The influence of feminist care ethics on Priya's work on reproductive care (33:29)</p><p>The radical feminist critique of surrogacy and Priya's response (46:00)</p><p>Priya's work with Birth Futures and the Critical Midwifery Studies Collective (56:20)</p><p>Priya's plans for further research on surrogacy and reproductive care (01:05:09)</p><p><strong>Some of the writers, researchers, professionals and activists mentioned in the episode:</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.hss.iitb.ac.in/people/faculty/amrita-banerjee" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Amrita Banerjee</a></p><p><a href="https://www.hss.iitb.ac.in/people/faculty/kushal-deb" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kushal Deb</a></p><p><a href="https://www.hughes.cam.ac.uk/about/our-people/seniors-members/dr-ira-chadha-sridhar/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ira Chadha-Sridhar</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/care-ethics-philosophy-and-the-law-with-ira-chadha-sridhar" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 15</a>)</p><p><a href="https://gcuniversity.ac.in/personnel/professor-maitrayee-chaudhuri/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maitrayee Chaudhuri</a></p><p><a href="https://www.mhamington.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Hamington</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/revolutionary-care-with-maurice-hamington" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 6</a>)</p><p><a href="https://www.ivf-surrogate.com/DrNayanaPatel" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nayana Patel</a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Kanchana-Mahadevan" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kanchana Mahadevan</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Ruddick" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sarah Ruddick</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nel_Noddings" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nell Noddings</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Kittay" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eva Kittay</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amrita_Pande" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Amrita Pande</a></p><p><a href="https://liberalarts.utexas.edu/ams/faculty/rudrappa" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sharmila Rudrappa</a></p><p><a href="https://www.luc.edu/philosophy/profiles/jenniferparksphd.shtml" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jennifer Parks</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Lewis_(author)" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sophie Lewis</a></p><p><a href="https://ingevannistelrooij.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inge van Nistelrooij</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/self-sacrifice-maternity-and-feminist-care-ethics-with-inge-van-nistelrooij" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 17</a>)</p><p><a href="https://rodantevanderwaal.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Rodante van der Waal</a></p><p><a href="https://www.tiss.edu/view/9/employee/asha-achuthan/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Asha Achuthan</a></p><p><a href="https://www.criticalmidwiferystudies.com/lecturers/susana-ku-carbonell" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Susana Ku Carbonell</a></p><p><a href="https://udelar.academia.edu/RominaGallardo" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Romina Gallardo</a></p><p><a href="https://www.toekomstecoloog.nl/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Marjolein Pijnappels</a></p><p><a href="https://amrithawarrier.wixsite.com/vanillapunk/about" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Amritha Warrier</a></p><p><strong>Publications mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p>Joan Tronto, <a href="https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9781003070672/moral-boundaries-joan-tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Moral Boundaries </em></a>and <a href="https://muse.jhu.edu/book/22813" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Caring Democracy</em></a></p><p>Sarah Ruddick, <a href="https://www.beacon.org/Maternal-Thinking-P204.aspx" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Maternal Thinking</em></a></p><p>Rodante van der Waal, <a href="https://www.aup.nl/en/book/9789048562398/birth-justice" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Birth Justice: From Obstetric Violence to Abolitionist Care</em></a></p><p><strong>Links</strong></p><p><a href="https://samawomenshealth.in/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sama - Resource Group for Women and Health</a></p><p><a href="https://cbc-network.org/stop-surrogacy-now/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stop Surrogacy Now</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalit_feminism" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Dalit feminism</a></p><p><a href="https://www.birth-futures.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Birth Futures</a></p><p><a href="https://www.criticalmidwiferystudies.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Critical Midwifery Studies Collective</a></p><p>For a transcript of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/a-care-ethical-perspective-on-surrogacy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link </a>to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What has been the impact of recent attempts to regulate surrogacy in India? How do surrogate mothers view their participation in the process? Can feminist care ethics, and specifically an understanding of care as labour, contribute to a better understanding of surrogacy? And what are the strengths and weaknesses of the radical feminist case against surrogacy?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode with <a href="https://www.criticalmidwiferystudies.com/lecturers/priya-sharma" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Priya Sharma</a>. Priya recently took up a position as an Assistant Professor in the Humanities and Social Science at <a href="https://www.tapmi.edu.in/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">T A Pai Management Institute</a>, on the Bengalaru Campus of Manipal Academy of Higher Education, in India. She has an academic background in anthropology, sociology and philosophy, and practical experience of working with a variety of social justice movements. Priya’s doctoral research at the <a href="https://www.iitb.ac.in/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Indian Institute of Technology </a>in Mumbai, where she was until recently a postdoctoral fellow, developed a care ethical perspective on surrogacy regulation in India. </p><p>Building on her doctoral work, Priya has published an article, with her supervisor Amrita Banerjee, on ‘<a href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/hypatia/article/abs/animating-the-affectcarelabor-link-in-the-wake-of-the-surrogacy-regulation-bill-care-ethics-and-policymaking-on-indian-surrogacy/480D958750B31E70BFD95FAA061F7AA1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Animating the Affect–Care–Labor Link in the Wake of “The Surrogacy (Regulation) Bill”: Care Ethics and Policymaking on Indian Surrogacy</a>’ in the journal <em>Hypatia, </em>and she has contributed a chapter entitled ‘Whose Ethos?: A Case of Indian Surrogacy law and its Moral Bedrock’ to the forthcoming <a href="https://www.routledge.com/The-Routledge-Companion-to-Gender-and-Reproduction/KatzRothman-Newnham-vanderWaal-Sillo/p/book/9781032515083" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Routledge Companion to Gender and Reproduction</em></a><em>. </em>Priya is also currently co-editing a volume on <em>Technology, Mothering, and Care Ethics</em> in the Peeters <a href="https://www.peeters-leuven.be/search_results.php?series=%22ETHICS+OF+CARE%22&amp;lang=en&amp;exact=true" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ethics of Care </a>series, and is a guest editor for a journal special issue on <a href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/page/journal/1523536x/homepage/call-for-papers/critical-midwifery-studies" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Critical Midwifery Studies</a>.</p><p><em>Please note that the sound quality of this episode is less than ideal in places, due to a poor internet connection, so listeners may wish to refer to the transcript (link below) to aid understanding.</em></p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Priya's academic background and the origins of her interest in reproductive care (02:54)</p><p>Understanding surrogacy in the Indian context (09:50)</p><p>The regulation of surrogacy in India (17:16)</p><p>Priya's ethnographic research with surrogate women (22:32)</p><p>The influence of feminist care ethics on Priya's work on reproductive care (33:29)</p><p>The radical feminist critique of surrogacy and Priya's response (46:00)</p><p>Priya's work with Birth Futures and the Critical Midwifery Studies Collective (56:20)</p><p>Priya's plans for further research on surrogacy and reproductive care (01:05:09)</p><p><strong>Some of the writers, researchers, professionals and activists mentioned in the episode:</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.hss.iitb.ac.in/people/faculty/amrita-banerjee" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Amrita Banerjee</a></p><p><a href="https://www.hss.iitb.ac.in/people/faculty/kushal-deb" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kushal Deb</a></p><p><a href="https://www.hughes.cam.ac.uk/about/our-people/seniors-members/dr-ira-chadha-sridhar/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ira Chadha-Sridhar</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/care-ethics-philosophy-and-the-law-with-ira-chadha-sridhar" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 15</a>)</p><p><a href="https://gcuniversity.ac.in/personnel/professor-maitrayee-chaudhuri/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maitrayee Chaudhuri</a></p><p><a href="https://www.mhamington.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Hamington</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/revolutionary-care-with-maurice-hamington" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 6</a>)</p><p><a href="https://www.ivf-surrogate.com/DrNayanaPatel" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nayana Patel</a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Kanchana-Mahadevan" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kanchana Mahadevan</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Ruddick" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sarah Ruddick</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nel_Noddings" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nell Noddings</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Kittay" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eva Kittay</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amrita_Pande" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Amrita Pande</a></p><p><a href="https://liberalarts.utexas.edu/ams/faculty/rudrappa" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sharmila Rudrappa</a></p><p><a href="https://www.luc.edu/philosophy/profiles/jenniferparksphd.shtml" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jennifer Parks</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Lewis_(author)" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sophie Lewis</a></p><p><a href="https://ingevannistelrooij.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inge van Nistelrooij</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/self-sacrifice-maternity-and-feminist-care-ethics-with-inge-van-nistelrooij" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 17</a>)</p><p><a href="https://rodantevanderwaal.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Rodante van der Waal</a></p><p><a href="https://www.tiss.edu/view/9/employee/asha-achuthan/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Asha Achuthan</a></p><p><a href="https://www.criticalmidwiferystudies.com/lecturers/susana-ku-carbonell" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Susana Ku Carbonell</a></p><p><a href="https://udelar.academia.edu/RominaGallardo" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Romina Gallardo</a></p><p><a href="https://www.toekomstecoloog.nl/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Marjolein Pijnappels</a></p><p><a href="https://amrithawarrier.wixsite.com/vanillapunk/about" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Amritha Warrier</a></p><p><strong>Publications mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p>Joan Tronto, <a href="https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9781003070672/moral-boundaries-joan-tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Moral Boundaries </em></a>and <a href="https://muse.jhu.edu/book/22813" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Caring Democracy</em></a></p><p>Sarah Ruddick, <a href="https://www.beacon.org/Maternal-Thinking-P204.aspx" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Maternal Thinking</em></a></p><p>Rodante van der Waal, <a href="https://www.aup.nl/en/book/9789048562398/birth-justice" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Birth Justice: From Obstetric Violence to Abolitionist Care</em></a></p><p><strong>Links</strong></p><p><a href="https://samawomenshealth.in/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sama - Resource Group for Women and Health</a></p><p><a href="https://cbc-network.org/stop-surrogacy-now/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stop Surrogacy Now</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalit_feminism" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Dalit feminism</a></p><p><a href="https://www.birth-futures.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Birth Futures</a></p><p><a href="https://www.criticalmidwiferystudies.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Critical Midwifery Studies Collective</a></p><p>For a transcript of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/a-care-ethical-perspective-on-surrogacy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link </a>to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/a-care-ethical-perspective-on-surrogacy]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">ff89ff53-a98d-4b0e-b2a5-6798e87b4479</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/5f2c42bf-f6ac-4c8e-9226-9d395f5fbe0f/awy-Q8q7C4jjReYrRkhP1_Dm.png"/><pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2025 08:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c5956a9c-0c80-49c8-8b9e-101fe52aec53/Careful-Thinking-Priya-Sharma.mp3" length="67170432" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:09:58</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>18</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>18</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Care, sacrifice, and reproductive justice - with Inge van Nistelrooij</title><itunes:title>Care, sacrifice, and reproductive justice - with Inge van Nistelrooij</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Is self-sacrifice a vital component of care for others, or does a feminist ethic of care make it problematic? Is caring something that we choose to do, or a responsibility that is given to us? And how can care ethics provide a framework for promoting reproductive justice?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://ingevannistelrooij.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inge van Nistelrooij</a>. Inge is a care ethicist, based in the Netherlands. She currently works as a self-employed ethicist with care organisations, as a consultant for professional care practices, as an ethics educator for professional teams, and as a facilitator of ethical reflection and ethical case deliberation. She is also a part-time Associate Professor of Care Ethics at the <a href="https://www.uvh.nl/university-of-humanistic-studies/home" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">University of Humanistic Studies</a> in Utrecht. Inge studied for a doctorate in Theology at the University of Tilburg with Annelies von Heijst, and her prize-winning thesis was published in book form in 1996 as <em>Martha and Mary Revisited: Care as Ethical Perspective</em>. Inge then spent a number of years working for religious organisations and as an ethics trainer, and also as an ethics policy advisor in care organisations, publishing in 2008 <em>The Basic Book of Care Ethics</em>, a book for care workers in nursing, social work, spiritual care and medical professions, a revised version of which came out  in 2022. Inge went on to study for a PhD at the University of Humanistic Studies, with Frans Vosman, and her thesis was published in book form in 2014 as <a href="https://www.peeters-leuven.be/detail.php?search_key=9789042930926&amp;series_number_str=4&amp;lang=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Sacrifice: A Care Ethical Reappraisal of Sacrifice and Self-Sacrifice</em></a><a href="https://Sacrifice:ACareEthicalReappraisalofSacrificeandSelf-Sacrifice." rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">.</a> Since then, Inge has published widely in the field of care ethics, on subjects such as empathy and relationality, with a recent focus on pregnancy and childbirth. She was one of the co-editors of the 2022 collection <a href="https://www.peeters-leuven.be/detail.php?search_key=9789042946545&amp;series_number_str=13&amp;lang=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Care Ethics, Religion and Spiritual Traditions</em></a>, and she is co editor of the book <em>Recommitting to Reproduction: Shifting Care Ethics Towards Reproductive Justice</em>, which will be published next year. Inge's Dutch-language monograph <em>Baarzaam:</em> <em>Basisboek Zorgethiek voor zwangerschap, geboortezorg en ouderschap </em>(‘Basic book - Care ethics for pregnancy, maternity care and parenthood’)<em> </em>is also planned for 2025.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Inge's journey from theology to care ethics (03:16)</p><p>The influence of Annelies van Heijst (07:33)</p><p>Inge's work with care organisations (12:07)</p><p>Inge's doctoral research on sacrifice and self-sacrifice in care (16:18)</p><p>Literary representations of self-sacrifice (21:20)</p><p>The influence of feminist theology on Inge's thinking (29:00)</p><p>Jean-Luc Marion on givenness and responsibility (34:05)</p><p>Paul Ricoeur on identity as narrative (40:10)</p><p>Obstetric violence and reproductive care (42:17)</p><p>Maternity and feminist care ethics (48:17)</p><p>Inge's forthcoming publications on care ethics and reproductive justice (52:20)</p><p><strong>A selection of Inge's recent publications</strong></p><p><a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/09697330211051000" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Reimagining relationality for reproductive care: understanding obstetric violence as "separation"'</a></p><p>'<a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/10778012231205591" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Undercommons of Childbirth and Their Abolitionist Ethic of Care. A Study into Obstetric Violence Among Mothers, Midwives (in Training), and Doulas</a>'</p><p>'<a href="https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0297968" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Shroud Waving Self Determination, A Qualitative Analysis of the Moral and Epistemic Dimensions of Obstetric Violence in the Netherlands</a>'</p><p><strong>Other publications discussed in the episode</strong></p><p>Leo Tolstoy, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_Ivan_Ilyich" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Death of Ivan Ilyich</em></a></p><p>Charlotte Brontë, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Eyre" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Jane Eyre</em></a></p><p>J.M. Coetzee, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Disgrace</em></a></p><p><strong>Some of the thinkers, writers and researchers mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.zorgethiek.nu/tag/annelies-van-heijst/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Annelies van Heijst</a></p><p><a href="https://ethicsofcare.org/personal-memories-of-frans-vosman-1952-2020/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Frans Vosman</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Levinas" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Emmanuel Levinas</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharina_Halkes" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Catharina Halkes</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Luc_Marion" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jean-Luc Marion</a></p><p><a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Housset" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Emmanuel Housset</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axel_Honneth" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Axel Honneth</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ric%C5%93ur" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Paul Ricoeur</a></p><p><a href="https://www.merelvisse.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Merel Visse</a></p><p><a href="https://uniweb.uottawa.ca/view/profile/members/1010?lang=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sophie Bourgault</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Duden" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Barbara Duden</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_O%27Reilly" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Andrea O'Reilly</a></p><p><a href="https://rodantevanderwaal.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Rodante van der Waal</a></p><p><a href="https://researchinformation.amsterdamumc.org/en/persons/marit-van-der-pijl" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Marit van der Pijl</a></p><p><a href="https://www.uvh.nl/university-of-humanistic-studies/contact/search-employees/femmianne-bredewold" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Femmianne Bredewold</a></p><p><strong>Links</strong></p><p><a href="https://care-ethics.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Care Ethics Research Consortium</a></p><p>For a transcript of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/care-sacrifice-and-reproductive-justice" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack.<a href="https://care-ethics.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>﻿</strong></a></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is self-sacrifice a vital component of care for others, or does a feminist ethic of care make it problematic? Is caring something that we choose to do, or a responsibility that is given to us? And how can care ethics provide a framework for promoting reproductive justice?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://ingevannistelrooij.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inge van Nistelrooij</a>. Inge is a care ethicist, based in the Netherlands. She currently works as a self-employed ethicist with care organisations, as a consultant for professional care practices, as an ethics educator for professional teams, and as a facilitator of ethical reflection and ethical case deliberation. She is also a part-time Associate Professor of Care Ethics at the <a href="https://www.uvh.nl/university-of-humanistic-studies/home" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">University of Humanistic Studies</a> in Utrecht. Inge studied for a doctorate in Theology at the University of Tilburg with Annelies von Heijst, and her prize-winning thesis was published in book form in 1996 as <em>Martha and Mary Revisited: Care as Ethical Perspective</em>. Inge then spent a number of years working for religious organisations and as an ethics trainer, and also as an ethics policy advisor in care organisations, publishing in 2008 <em>The Basic Book of Care Ethics</em>, a book for care workers in nursing, social work, spiritual care and medical professions, a revised version of which came out  in 2022. Inge went on to study for a PhD at the University of Humanistic Studies, with Frans Vosman, and her thesis was published in book form in 2014 as <a href="https://www.peeters-leuven.be/detail.php?search_key=9789042930926&amp;series_number_str=4&amp;lang=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Sacrifice: A Care Ethical Reappraisal of Sacrifice and Self-Sacrifice</em></a><a href="https://Sacrifice:ACareEthicalReappraisalofSacrificeandSelf-Sacrifice." rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">.</a> Since then, Inge has published widely in the field of care ethics, on subjects such as empathy and relationality, with a recent focus on pregnancy and childbirth. She was one of the co-editors of the 2022 collection <a href="https://www.peeters-leuven.be/detail.php?search_key=9789042946545&amp;series_number_str=13&amp;lang=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Care Ethics, Religion and Spiritual Traditions</em></a>, and she is co editor of the book <em>Recommitting to Reproduction: Shifting Care Ethics Towards Reproductive Justice</em>, which will be published next year. Inge's Dutch-language monograph <em>Baarzaam:</em> <em>Basisboek Zorgethiek voor zwangerschap, geboortezorg en ouderschap </em>(‘Basic book - Care ethics for pregnancy, maternity care and parenthood’)<em> </em>is also planned for 2025.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Inge's journey from theology to care ethics (03:16)</p><p>The influence of Annelies van Heijst (07:33)</p><p>Inge's work with care organisations (12:07)</p><p>Inge's doctoral research on sacrifice and self-sacrifice in care (16:18)</p><p>Literary representations of self-sacrifice (21:20)</p><p>The influence of feminist theology on Inge's thinking (29:00)</p><p>Jean-Luc Marion on givenness and responsibility (34:05)</p><p>Paul Ricoeur on identity as narrative (40:10)</p><p>Obstetric violence and reproductive care (42:17)</p><p>Maternity and feminist care ethics (48:17)</p><p>Inge's forthcoming publications on care ethics and reproductive justice (52:20)</p><p><strong>A selection of Inge's recent publications</strong></p><p><a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/09697330211051000" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Reimagining relationality for reproductive care: understanding obstetric violence as "separation"'</a></p><p>'<a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/10778012231205591" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Undercommons of Childbirth and Their Abolitionist Ethic of Care. A Study into Obstetric Violence Among Mothers, Midwives (in Training), and Doulas</a>'</p><p>'<a href="https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0297968" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Shroud Waving Self Determination, A Qualitative Analysis of the Moral and Epistemic Dimensions of Obstetric Violence in the Netherlands</a>'</p><p><strong>Other publications discussed in the episode</strong></p><p>Leo Tolstoy, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_Ivan_Ilyich" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Death of Ivan Ilyich</em></a></p><p>Charlotte Brontë, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Eyre" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Jane Eyre</em></a></p><p>J.M. Coetzee, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Disgrace</em></a></p><p><strong>Some of the thinkers, writers and researchers mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.zorgethiek.nu/tag/annelies-van-heijst/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Annelies van Heijst</a></p><p><a href="https://ethicsofcare.org/personal-memories-of-frans-vosman-1952-2020/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Frans Vosman</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Levinas" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Emmanuel Levinas</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharina_Halkes" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Catharina Halkes</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Luc_Marion" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jean-Luc Marion</a></p><p><a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Housset" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Emmanuel Housset</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axel_Honneth" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Axel Honneth</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ric%C5%93ur" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Paul Ricoeur</a></p><p><a href="https://www.merelvisse.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Merel Visse</a></p><p><a href="https://uniweb.uottawa.ca/view/profile/members/1010?lang=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sophie Bourgault</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Duden" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Barbara Duden</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_O%27Reilly" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Andrea O'Reilly</a></p><p><a href="https://rodantevanderwaal.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Rodante van der Waal</a></p><p><a href="https://researchinformation.amsterdamumc.org/en/persons/marit-van-der-pijl" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Marit van der Pijl</a></p><p><a href="https://www.uvh.nl/university-of-humanistic-studies/contact/search-employees/femmianne-bredewold" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Femmianne Bredewold</a></p><p><strong>Links</strong></p><p><a href="https://care-ethics.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Care Ethics Research Consortium</a></p><p>For a transcript of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/care-sacrifice-and-reproductive-justice" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack.<a href="https://care-ethics.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>﻿</strong></a></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/self-sacrifice-maternity-and-feminist-care-ethics-with-inge-van-nistelrooij]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">028f9c61-d834-4ff0-8ad4-e972fefe8e74</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/fdb9b593-1358-4f56-a2c9-b87a8df0caaf/CUMnFdOr8XF7hSZBixm7qR7p.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 02 Dec 2024 09:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/fc6a409e-9c06-40a4-ab0a-297ac9aa817c/Careful-Thinking-Inge-van-Nistelrooij-final-version.mp3" length="59144320" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:01:36</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>17</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>17</podcast:episode></item><item><title>The transformative power of care - with Elissa Strauss</title><itunes:title>The transformative power of care - with Elissa Strauss</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>What are the physical, psychological and spiritual benefits of caring for others? How does caregiving benefit society, and what could society do to value care more? In what ways does care change men, and how can we encourage men to participate more in caregiving? And how are care and spirituality connected?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://www.simonandschuster.com/authors/Elissa-Strauss/178221681" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Elissa Strauss</a>. Elissa is a journalist, essayist, and opinion writer, based in Oakland, California, who has been writing about the culture and politics of care for fifteen years. Her work has appeared in publications such as <em>The New York Times </em>and <em>The Atlantic, </em>and she has been a contributing writer for CNN and <em>Slate</em>, where her articles have focussed on feminism and motherhood. In addition to her work as a writer, Elissa is also an artistic director of <a href="https://labalab.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LABA: A Laboratory for Jewish Culture</a>.</p><p>Elissa's book, <a href="https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/When-You-Care/Elissa-Strauss/9781982169275" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>When You Care: The Unexpected Magic of Caring for Others</em></a>, was published earlier this year to widespread acclaim. Reviewers have described the book as 'brilliantly argued and timely', 'urgent and necessary', and 'destined to be a modern classic'. </p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>How Elissa got started as a writer (02:10)</p><p>Why Elissa wrote <em>When You Care </em>(03:18)</p><p>The main message of the book (07:50)</p><p>Discovering meaning and purpose through caregiving (09:38)</p><p>The social, political and economic value of care (13:48)</p><p>The ambivalent image of motherhood and caregiving in feminist literature (20:55)</p><p>Breaking down the 'glass doors' : building a feminism of care (25:58)</p><p>The forgotten history of care feminism and its lessons for today(29:20)</p><p>Men and care (33:36)</p><p>The physical and psychological benefits of caregiving (40:43)</p><p>Elissa's discovery of feminist care ethics (46:14)</p><p>Care and spirituality (50:55)</p><p>The need for political and cultural change to support caregiving (58:00)</p><p>Elissa's plans for future research and writing (01:01:30)</p><p><strong>Elissa's recent articles</strong></p><p>'<a href="https://www.kveller.com/i-hated-the-story-of-abraham-and-isaac-until-i-became-a-mother/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">I hated the story of Abraham and Isaac - until I became a mother</a>', <em>Kveller</em></p><p>'<a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2024/10/parents-care-ethics-philosophy/680263/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The branch of philosophy all parents should know</a>', <em>The Atlantic</em></p><p><strong>Other publications discussed in the episode</strong></p><p>Rachel Cusk, <a href="https://www.faber.co.uk/product/9780571350933-a-lifes-work/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>A Life's Work</em></a></p><p>Nell Noddings,<em> </em><a href="https://www.ucpress.edu/books/caring/paper" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Caring</em></a></p><p><strong>Some of the writers, thinkers and activists mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Kittay" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eva Feder Kittay</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Gilligan" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Carol Gilligan</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheryl_Sandberg" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sheryl Sandberg</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnnie_Tillmon" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Johnnie Tillmon</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rawls" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">John Rawls</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllis_Deane" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Phyllis Deane</a></p><p><strong>Other links</strong></p><p>'<a href="https://elissa.substack.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Made with Care</a>' (Elissa's Substack newsletter)</p><p>'<a href="https://wels.open.ac.uk/sites/wels.open.ac.uk/files/files/YMMW_report_02-17_email.pdf" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Young men, masculinity and wellbeing</a>' (Martin's research with Promundo)</p><p><a href="https://www.equimundo.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Equimundo: Center for Masculinities and Social Jusitice</a> (formerly Promundo)</p><p><a href="https://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/265772/jewish/Eshet-Chayil.htm" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Eshet Chayil</em> </a>(traditional Jewish poem/song)</p><p>For a transcript of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/the-transformative-power-of-care" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link </a>to the Careful Thinking Substack</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are the physical, psychological and spiritual benefits of caring for others? How does caregiving benefit society, and what could society do to value care more? In what ways does care change men, and how can we encourage men to participate more in caregiving? And how are care and spirituality connected?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://www.simonandschuster.com/authors/Elissa-Strauss/178221681" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Elissa Strauss</a>. Elissa is a journalist, essayist, and opinion writer, based in Oakland, California, who has been writing about the culture and politics of care for fifteen years. Her work has appeared in publications such as <em>The New York Times </em>and <em>The Atlantic, </em>and she has been a contributing writer for CNN and <em>Slate</em>, where her articles have focussed on feminism and motherhood. In addition to her work as a writer, Elissa is also an artistic director of <a href="https://labalab.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LABA: A Laboratory for Jewish Culture</a>.</p><p>Elissa's book, <a href="https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/When-You-Care/Elissa-Strauss/9781982169275" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>When You Care: The Unexpected Magic of Caring for Others</em></a>, was published earlier this year to widespread acclaim. Reviewers have described the book as 'brilliantly argued and timely', 'urgent and necessary', and 'destined to be a modern classic'. </p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>How Elissa got started as a writer (02:10)</p><p>Why Elissa wrote <em>When You Care </em>(03:18)</p><p>The main message of the book (07:50)</p><p>Discovering meaning and purpose through caregiving (09:38)</p><p>The social, political and economic value of care (13:48)</p><p>The ambivalent image of motherhood and caregiving in feminist literature (20:55)</p><p>Breaking down the 'glass doors' : building a feminism of care (25:58)</p><p>The forgotten history of care feminism and its lessons for today(29:20)</p><p>Men and care (33:36)</p><p>The physical and psychological benefits of caregiving (40:43)</p><p>Elissa's discovery of feminist care ethics (46:14)</p><p>Care and spirituality (50:55)</p><p>The need for political and cultural change to support caregiving (58:00)</p><p>Elissa's plans for future research and writing (01:01:30)</p><p><strong>Elissa's recent articles</strong></p><p>'<a href="https://www.kveller.com/i-hated-the-story-of-abraham-and-isaac-until-i-became-a-mother/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">I hated the story of Abraham and Isaac - until I became a mother</a>', <em>Kveller</em></p><p>'<a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2024/10/parents-care-ethics-philosophy/680263/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The branch of philosophy all parents should know</a>', <em>The Atlantic</em></p><p><strong>Other publications discussed in the episode</strong></p><p>Rachel Cusk, <a href="https://www.faber.co.uk/product/9780571350933-a-lifes-work/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>A Life's Work</em></a></p><p>Nell Noddings,<em> </em><a href="https://www.ucpress.edu/books/caring/paper" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Caring</em></a></p><p><strong>Some of the writers, thinkers and activists mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Kittay" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eva Feder Kittay</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Gilligan" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Carol Gilligan</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheryl_Sandberg" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sheryl Sandberg</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnnie_Tillmon" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Johnnie Tillmon</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rawls" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">John Rawls</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllis_Deane" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Phyllis Deane</a></p><p><strong>Other links</strong></p><p>'<a href="https://elissa.substack.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Made with Care</a>' (Elissa's Substack newsletter)</p><p>'<a href="https://wels.open.ac.uk/sites/wels.open.ac.uk/files/files/YMMW_report_02-17_email.pdf" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Young men, masculinity and wellbeing</a>' (Martin's research with Promundo)</p><p><a href="https://www.equimundo.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Equimundo: Center for Masculinities and Social Jusitice</a> (formerly Promundo)</p><p><a href="https://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/265772/jewish/Eshet-Chayil.htm" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Eshet Chayil</em> </a>(traditional Jewish poem/song)</p><p>For a transcript of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/the-transformative-power-of-care" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link </a>to the Careful Thinking Substack</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/care-with-elissa-strauss]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">7d3adda3-58b9-43fd-b277-807afd444aca</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/f2518c0d-03ea-4401-a296-1714438a97bb/EpKboIjY1OjIJUghhIJYEDF7.png"/><pubDate>Fri, 01 Nov 2024 07:30:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ad459d30-29c2-4dd4-9714-9c52084f8ea7/Careful-Thinking-with-Elissa-Strauss.mp3" length="61988992" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:04:34</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>16</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>16</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Care ethics, philosophy, and the law - with Ira Chadha-Sridhar</title><itunes:title>Care ethics, philosophy, and the law - with Ira Chadha-Sridhar</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>How are our duties to care, and to obey the law, connected? What can care ethics contribute to an understanding of important questions in medical and family law? What does it mean to describe care as a 'thick ethical concept'? And what are the factors that make caring actions 'good'?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://www.hughes.cam.ac.uk/about/our-people/seniors-members/dr-ira-chadha-sridhar/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ira Chadha-Sridhar</a>.  Ira is the Hatton-WYNG Junior Research Fellow in Law, Medicine and Life Sciences at Hughes Hall in the University of Cambridge. She has a BA.LLB (Honours) from the West Bengal National University of Juridical Sciences in Kolkata, and an LLM from Cambridge University, where she was recently awarded a PhD for her thesis entitled ‘A Care Ethical Theory of Political Obligation'.</p><p>Ira’s research interests lie at the intersections of law and philosophy. She’s particularly interested in the ethics of care and its relationship with questions about the law: both within jurisprudence, and within areas of legal doctrine, such as medical law and family law. Ira’s current research project focusses on care ethics and its intersection with doctrinal questions in medical law.&nbsp;</p><p>Ira’s publications include a number of articles written while she was still a student in India, for example on <a href="https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/soclerev13&amp;div=6&amp;id=&amp;page=" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">the ethics of care in maternity laws</a>, and <a href="https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/nujslr9&amp;div=8&amp;id=&amp;page=" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">critical feminist reflections on the laws around shared parenting</a>. In 2021 she published an article on ‘<a href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/canadian-journal-of-law-and-jurisprudence/article/value-of-vagueness-a-feminist-analysis/1A9BDCF53BA30CF8DAFD6E67D6806D52" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Value of Vagueness: A Feminist Analysis</a>’ in <em>The Canadian Journal of Law and Jurisprudence</em>, while 2023 saw the publication of her article on ‘<a href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11158-023-09580-9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Care as a Thick Ethical Concept</a>’ in <em>Res Publica</em>. Ira is currently working on a monograph, in which she plans to develop a conceptual account of care, encompassing a descriptive theory of caring actions and a care-evaluation framework. This framework aims to make substantial contributions to ongoing discussions in doctrinal medical law and public health policy.</p><p><strong>We explore the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>The origins of Ira's interest in the law (02:58)</p><p>Feminism as an early influence on Ira's thinking (04:54)</p><p>Ira's introduction to care ethics (06:08)</p><p>An overview of Ira's doctoral research (08:40)</p><p>Care ethics and political obligation (10:45)</p><p>Is care ethics a feminist ethic? (12:52)</p><p>The contribution of a new generation of thinkers to care ethics (15:25)</p><p>The relationship between care ethics and legal and political philosophy (17:23)</p><p>Care ethics, particularism and moral principles (19:25)</p><p>Care as a thick ethical concept (23:40)</p><p>Care ethics and analytic philosophy (27:33)</p><p>Care and 'good' care (30:46)</p><p>Positive, negative and neutral caring actions (32:57)</p><p>The factors that make caring actions 'good' (36:43)</p><p>Ira's current research on medical law and care ethics (39:26)</p><p><strong>Some of the writers and thinkers mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.hss.iitb.ac.in/people/faculty/amrita-banerjee" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Amrita Banerjee</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Held" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Virginia Held</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a></p><p><a href="https://uh.edu/hobby/about/faculty/daniel-engster/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Daniel Engster</a></p><p><a href="https://nd-au.academia.edu/StevenSteyl" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Steven Steyl</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/the-virtue-of-care-with-steven-steyl" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 10</a>)</p><p><a href="https://stephaniecollins.xyz/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephanie Collins</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Williams" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Bernard Williams</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippa_Foot" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Philippa Foot</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iris_Murdoch" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Iris Murdoch</a></p><p><a href="https://www.law.ox.ac.uk/people/jonathan-herring" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jonathan Herring</a></p><p><strong>Some of the publications discussed in the episode</strong></p><p>Carol Gilligan, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_a_Different_Voice" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>In a Different Voice: Psychological Theory and Women's Development</em></a></p><p>Cynthia A. Stark, '<a href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1527-2001.2010.01135.x" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Abstraction and Justification in Moral Theory</a>'</p><p>Steven Steyl, '<a href="https://academic.oup.com/pq/article-abstract/71/3/502/5910403?redirectedFrom=PDF" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">A Care Ethical Theory of Right Action</a>'</p><p>Stephanie Collins, <a href="https://stephaniecollins.xyz/the-core-of-care-ethics-2/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Core of Care Ethics</em></a></p><p>For a transcript of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/care-ethics-philosophy-and-the-law" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link </a>to the Careful Thinking Substack</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How are our duties to care, and to obey the law, connected? What can care ethics contribute to an understanding of important questions in medical and family law? What does it mean to describe care as a 'thick ethical concept'? And what are the factors that make caring actions 'good'?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://www.hughes.cam.ac.uk/about/our-people/seniors-members/dr-ira-chadha-sridhar/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ira Chadha-Sridhar</a>.  Ira is the Hatton-WYNG Junior Research Fellow in Law, Medicine and Life Sciences at Hughes Hall in the University of Cambridge. She has a BA.LLB (Honours) from the West Bengal National University of Juridical Sciences in Kolkata, and an LLM from Cambridge University, where she was recently awarded a PhD for her thesis entitled ‘A Care Ethical Theory of Political Obligation'.</p><p>Ira’s research interests lie at the intersections of law and philosophy. She’s particularly interested in the ethics of care and its relationship with questions about the law: both within jurisprudence, and within areas of legal doctrine, such as medical law and family law. Ira’s current research project focusses on care ethics and its intersection with doctrinal questions in medical law.&nbsp;</p><p>Ira’s publications include a number of articles written while she was still a student in India, for example on <a href="https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/soclerev13&amp;div=6&amp;id=&amp;page=" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">the ethics of care in maternity laws</a>, and <a href="https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/nujslr9&amp;div=8&amp;id=&amp;page=" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">critical feminist reflections on the laws around shared parenting</a>. In 2021 she published an article on ‘<a href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/canadian-journal-of-law-and-jurisprudence/article/value-of-vagueness-a-feminist-analysis/1A9BDCF53BA30CF8DAFD6E67D6806D52" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Value of Vagueness: A Feminist Analysis</a>’ in <em>The Canadian Journal of Law and Jurisprudence</em>, while 2023 saw the publication of her article on ‘<a href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11158-023-09580-9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Care as a Thick Ethical Concept</a>’ in <em>Res Publica</em>. Ira is currently working on a monograph, in which she plans to develop a conceptual account of care, encompassing a descriptive theory of caring actions and a care-evaluation framework. This framework aims to make substantial contributions to ongoing discussions in doctrinal medical law and public health policy.</p><p><strong>We explore the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>The origins of Ira's interest in the law (02:58)</p><p>Feminism as an early influence on Ira's thinking (04:54)</p><p>Ira's introduction to care ethics (06:08)</p><p>An overview of Ira's doctoral research (08:40)</p><p>Care ethics and political obligation (10:45)</p><p>Is care ethics a feminist ethic? (12:52)</p><p>The contribution of a new generation of thinkers to care ethics (15:25)</p><p>The relationship between care ethics and legal and political philosophy (17:23)</p><p>Care ethics, particularism and moral principles (19:25)</p><p>Care as a thick ethical concept (23:40)</p><p>Care ethics and analytic philosophy (27:33)</p><p>Care and 'good' care (30:46)</p><p>Positive, negative and neutral caring actions (32:57)</p><p>The factors that make caring actions 'good' (36:43)</p><p>Ira's current research on medical law and care ethics (39:26)</p><p><strong>Some of the writers and thinkers mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.hss.iitb.ac.in/people/faculty/amrita-banerjee" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Amrita Banerjee</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Held" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Virginia Held</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a></p><p><a href="https://uh.edu/hobby/about/faculty/daniel-engster/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Daniel Engster</a></p><p><a href="https://nd-au.academia.edu/StevenSteyl" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Steven Steyl</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/the-virtue-of-care-with-steven-steyl" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 10</a>)</p><p><a href="https://stephaniecollins.xyz/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stephanie Collins</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Williams" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Bernard Williams</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippa_Foot" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Philippa Foot</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iris_Murdoch" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Iris Murdoch</a></p><p><a href="https://www.law.ox.ac.uk/people/jonathan-herring" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jonathan Herring</a></p><p><strong>Some of the publications discussed in the episode</strong></p><p>Carol Gilligan, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_a_Different_Voice" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>In a Different Voice: Psychological Theory and Women's Development</em></a></p><p>Cynthia A. Stark, '<a href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1527-2001.2010.01135.x" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Abstraction and Justification in Moral Theory</a>'</p><p>Steven Steyl, '<a href="https://academic.oup.com/pq/article-abstract/71/3/502/5910403?redirectedFrom=PDF" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">A Care Ethical Theory of Right Action</a>'</p><p>Stephanie Collins, <a href="https://stephaniecollins.xyz/the-core-of-care-ethics-2/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Core of Care Ethics</em></a></p><p>For a transcript of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/care-ethics-philosophy-and-the-law" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link </a>to the Careful Thinking Substack</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/care-ethics-philosophy-and-the-law-with-ira-chadha-sridhar]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">981d6a4b-4d00-4215-806f-21797709a26d</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/22df4e53-f4b6-4055-89ad-297c6c786c0f/6O_rK2HjngAu5zUt76LSxBuu.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 15 Oct 2024 09:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d123ccbe-0629-440a-a06e-daa59ca20e96/Careful-Thinking-with-Ira-Chadha-Sridhar.mp3" length="41863296" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>43:36</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>15</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>15</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Empathy, emotions and the ethics of love - with Susi Ferrarello</title><itunes:title>Empathy, emotions and the ethics of love - with Susi Ferrarello</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>What role do emotions play in individual and societal wellbeing? How can we ensure that we are emotionally present in caregiving and in our professional lives? What is the difference between true and 'empty' empathy? And what can phenomenology, and philosophical ideas generally, contribute to the development of an ethic of love, or an ethic of care?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://csueastbay.academia.edu/SusiFerrarello" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Susi Ferrarello</a>. Susi is an associate professor at California State University, East Bay. She has a Bachelor’s degree in Philosophy from La Sapienza University in Rome, an MA in Human Rights and Political Science from the University of Bologna, and a PhD in Philosophy from the Sorbonne in Paris. Susi has held professorships at La Sapienza, the Florence University of the Arts, Lucerne University, and Loyola University in Chicago, and she has lectured widely in Europe and the United States.</p><p>Susi’s areas of interest include phenomenology, moral psychology, practical ethics, the philosophical foundations of psychological praxis, and ancient philosophy. Susi is also a <a href="https://www.practicalintentionality.com/home.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">philosophical counsellor</a>, with more than ten years’ experience of consulting in Italy, Switzerland and the United States.</p><p>Susi's many books include <a href="https://ThePhenomenologyofSex,LoveandIntimacy,publishedin2019;HumanEmotionsandtheOriginsofBioethics" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Phenomenology of Sex, Love and Intimacy</em>, published in 2019; <em>Human Emotions and the Origins of Bioethics</em></a><a href="https://www.routledge.com/Human-Emotions-and-the-Origins-of-Bioethics/Ferrarello/p/book/9780367427313" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a>and <a href="https://www.routledge.com/The-Role-of-Bioethics-in-Emotional-Problems-A-Phenomenological-Analysis-of-Intentions/Ferrarello/p/book/9780367674618" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Role of Bioethics in Emotional Problems</em></a>, both from 2021; and <a href="https://www.routledge.com/The-Ethics-of-Love-Emotional-Dilemmas-for-a-Relational-Life/Ferrarello/p/book/9781032118185" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Ethics of Love: Emotional Dilemmas for a Relational Life</em>,</a> which came out in 2023.&nbsp;She has also edited or co-edited a number of books, including <a href="https://rowman.com/ISBN/9781538154113/Empathy-and-Ethics" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Empathy and Ethics</em></a><em> </em>in 2022, and <a href="https://www.routledge.com/The-Routledge-Handbook-of-Phenomenology-of-Mindfulness/Ferrarello-Hadjioannou/p/book/9781032396316" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The</em> <em>Routledge Handbook of Phenomenology of Mindfulness</em></a> in 2023. <a href="https://www.routledge.com/The-Phenomenology-of-Pregnancy-and-Early-Motherhood-Ethical-Social-and-Psychological-Perspectives/Ferrarello/p/book/9781032791968" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Phenomenology of Pregnancy and Early Motherhood: Ethical, Social, and Psychological Perspectives</em></a> will be published in December 2024. Susi writes a regular blog, ‘<a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/lying-the-philosophers-couch" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Lying On The Philosopher’s Couch</a>’, in <em>Psychology Today</em> magazine, and she is the host of the ‘<a href="https://jiaqiliu3.wixsite.com/philgetspersonal" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Philosophy Gets Personal</a>’ podcast. She recently launched <a href="https://nobumpnocare.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">No Bump, No Care?</a>, an online pregnancy and motherhood support project.</p><p><strong>We explore the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Susi's academic journey and formation (03:09)</p><p>Susi's work as a philosophical counsellor (07:40)</p><p>Emotions and bioethics (11:12)</p><p>Emotions in professional life (17:58)</p><p>Encouraging empathy in caregiving: the example of care for women who have experienced miscarriage (24:04)</p><p>The gender bias in pain management (31:44)</p><p>Intercorporeality and interaffectivity (36:10)</p><p>Bioethics and everyday emotional problems (42:66)</p><p>Ancient myths as resources for understanding contemporary relational dilemmas (46:40)</p><p>Susi's reflections on personal emotional experience in her writing (50:50)</p><p>Love, care and self-care (52:50)</p><p>A phenomenological ethic of love (56:22)</p><p>From kindness to tenderness (01:01:03)</p><p>Susi's current work on pregnancy and perinatal loss (01:05:17)</p><p><strong>Links</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@susiferrarello4164" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Susi's Youtube channel</a></p><p><a href="https://www.practicalintentionality.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Susi's counselling practice</a></p><p><strong>Some of the thinkers and writers mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Aristotle</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Husserl" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Edmund Husserl</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Heidegger" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Martin Heidegger</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Rensselaer_Potter" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Van Rensselaer Potter</a></p><p><a href="https://www.loumarinoff.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Lou Marinoff</a></p><p><a href="https://faculty.rpi.edu/tomie-hahn" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Tomie Hahn</a></p><p><a href="https://independent.academia.edu/MiglioN" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nicole Miglio</a></p><p>For a transcript of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/empathy-emotions-and-the-ethics-of" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What role do emotions play in individual and societal wellbeing? How can we ensure that we are emotionally present in caregiving and in our professional lives? What is the difference between true and 'empty' empathy? And what can phenomenology, and philosophical ideas generally, contribute to the development of an ethic of love, or an ethic of care?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://csueastbay.academia.edu/SusiFerrarello" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Susi Ferrarello</a>. Susi is an associate professor at California State University, East Bay. She has a Bachelor’s degree in Philosophy from La Sapienza University in Rome, an MA in Human Rights and Political Science from the University of Bologna, and a PhD in Philosophy from the Sorbonne in Paris. Susi has held professorships at La Sapienza, the Florence University of the Arts, Lucerne University, and Loyola University in Chicago, and she has lectured widely in Europe and the United States.</p><p>Susi’s areas of interest include phenomenology, moral psychology, practical ethics, the philosophical foundations of psychological praxis, and ancient philosophy. Susi is also a <a href="https://www.practicalintentionality.com/home.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">philosophical counsellor</a>, with more than ten years’ experience of consulting in Italy, Switzerland and the United States.</p><p>Susi's many books include <a href="https://ThePhenomenologyofSex,LoveandIntimacy,publishedin2019;HumanEmotionsandtheOriginsofBioethics" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Phenomenology of Sex, Love and Intimacy</em>, published in 2019; <em>Human Emotions and the Origins of Bioethics</em></a><a href="https://www.routledge.com/Human-Emotions-and-the-Origins-of-Bioethics/Ferrarello/p/book/9780367427313" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> </a>and <a href="https://www.routledge.com/The-Role-of-Bioethics-in-Emotional-Problems-A-Phenomenological-Analysis-of-Intentions/Ferrarello/p/book/9780367674618" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Role of Bioethics in Emotional Problems</em></a>, both from 2021; and <a href="https://www.routledge.com/The-Ethics-of-Love-Emotional-Dilemmas-for-a-Relational-Life/Ferrarello/p/book/9781032118185" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Ethics of Love: Emotional Dilemmas for a Relational Life</em>,</a> which came out in 2023.&nbsp;She has also edited or co-edited a number of books, including <a href="https://rowman.com/ISBN/9781538154113/Empathy-and-Ethics" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Empathy and Ethics</em></a><em> </em>in 2022, and <a href="https://www.routledge.com/The-Routledge-Handbook-of-Phenomenology-of-Mindfulness/Ferrarello-Hadjioannou/p/book/9781032396316" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The</em> <em>Routledge Handbook of Phenomenology of Mindfulness</em></a> in 2023. <a href="https://www.routledge.com/The-Phenomenology-of-Pregnancy-and-Early-Motherhood-Ethical-Social-and-Psychological-Perspectives/Ferrarello/p/book/9781032791968" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Phenomenology of Pregnancy and Early Motherhood: Ethical, Social, and Psychological Perspectives</em></a> will be published in December 2024. Susi writes a regular blog, ‘<a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/lying-the-philosophers-couch" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Lying On The Philosopher’s Couch</a>’, in <em>Psychology Today</em> magazine, and she is the host of the ‘<a href="https://jiaqiliu3.wixsite.com/philgetspersonal" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Philosophy Gets Personal</a>’ podcast. She recently launched <a href="https://nobumpnocare.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">No Bump, No Care?</a>, an online pregnancy and motherhood support project.</p><p><strong>We explore the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Susi's academic journey and formation (03:09)</p><p>Susi's work as a philosophical counsellor (07:40)</p><p>Emotions and bioethics (11:12)</p><p>Emotions in professional life (17:58)</p><p>Encouraging empathy in caregiving: the example of care for women who have experienced miscarriage (24:04)</p><p>The gender bias in pain management (31:44)</p><p>Intercorporeality and interaffectivity (36:10)</p><p>Bioethics and everyday emotional problems (42:66)</p><p>Ancient myths as resources for understanding contemporary relational dilemmas (46:40)</p><p>Susi's reflections on personal emotional experience in her writing (50:50)</p><p>Love, care and self-care (52:50)</p><p>A phenomenological ethic of love (56:22)</p><p>From kindness to tenderness (01:01:03)</p><p>Susi's current work on pregnancy and perinatal loss (01:05:17)</p><p><strong>Links</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@susiferrarello4164" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Susi's Youtube channel</a></p><p><a href="https://www.practicalintentionality.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Susi's counselling practice</a></p><p><strong>Some of the thinkers and writers mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Aristotle</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Husserl" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Edmund Husserl</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Heidegger" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Martin Heidegger</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Rensselaer_Potter" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Van Rensselaer Potter</a></p><p><a href="https://www.loumarinoff.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Lou Marinoff</a></p><p><a href="https://faculty.rpi.edu/tomie-hahn" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Tomie Hahn</a></p><p><a href="https://independent.academia.edu/MiglioN" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nicole Miglio</a></p><p>For a transcript of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/empathy-emotions-and-the-ethics-of" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/empathy-emotions-and-the-ethics-of-love-with-susi-ferrarello]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">ccd1f442-69e2-428a-bb04-f48cca78c6d0</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/90a9b669-0a0c-4d97-89bd-3c6637d8f242/dctT6Pwix5POeP-d6ZS_oXbD.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 17 Sep 2024 09:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/14de7cd7-f559-4653-9b63-db05e79052b6/Careful-Thinking-Susi-Ferrarello.mp3" length="68724864" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:11:35</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>14</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>14</podcast:episode></item><item><title>A Muslim feminist ethic of care - with Sarah Munawar</title><itunes:title>A Muslim feminist ethic of care - with Sarah Munawar</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In what ways do medical racism and ableism shape Muslim families' experiences of healthcare services? How can Islamic spirituality and Qur'anic stories provide resources to support caregivers and receivers of care? Does care ethics need to be decolonised? And what are the implications of a Muslim feminist ethic of care for thinking about illness, disability and reproductive care?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://sarahmunawar.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sarah Munawar</a>. Sarah is a political science instructor at Columbia College in Vancouver, Canada, and she was recently a visiting professor at the Elizabeth Rockwell Center on Ethics and Leadership at the Hobby School of Public Affairs at the University of Houston. Sarah earned her PhD in political science at the University of British Columbia in 2019 with a thesis entitled, ‘<a href="https://open.library.ubc.ca/soa/cIRcle/collections/ubctheses/24/items/1.0387144" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">In Hajar’s footsteps: a de-colonial and Islamic theory of care</a>’, which will also form the basis of a forthcoming book.</p><p>Sarah describes herself as a neurodiverse Muslim, mother, and political theorist, her research articulating a vision of health equity, disability justice and care ethics that is intersectional, Islamic and de-colonial, while also centring the epistemic authority of disabled Muslims as knowers of Islam, Muslim practices of care, and care-based modes of knowing Islam. &nbsp;</p><p>Sarah’s publications include the book chapter ‘In the Belly of the Whale: Theorizing Disability through a De-Colonial and Islamic Ethic of Care’, which was published in 2022, in the collection <a href="https://www.peeters-leuven.be/detail.php?id=8505" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Care Ethics, Religion, and Spiritual Traditions</em></a>; the journal article ‘<a href="https://muse.jhu.edu/article/882873" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Breathwork of Ar-Rahman: An Islamic Ethic of Reproductive Care</a>’, also from 2022; and the book chapter ‘”Be and it is!”: Muslim Cosmologies of Care, Desire, and the Reproduction of Life’, which will appear later this year.</p><p><strong>We explore the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Sarah's family's experience of caring and advocating for her father during his illness (02:50)</p><p>Experiencing medical ableism and racism (08:37)</p><p>Critiquing some religious responses to illness and disability (13:58)</p><p>Qur'anic stories providing a moral vocabulary for care (19:04)</p><p>Muslim and critical disability approaches to assisted dying (23:45)</p><p>Ableist and racist constructions of caregivers (26:52)</p><p>The influence of Eva Kittay on Sarah's thinking and the need to decolonise care ethics (30:22)</p><p>The concept of relational selfhood in Muslim, feminist and indigenous thinking (33:40)</p><p>'The breathwork of Ar-Rahman' as a source of mercy and care (37:39)</p><p>Sarah's development of an Islamic, intersectional ethic of reproductive care, and its roots in her experience of giving birth during the Covid-19 pandemic (39:35)</p><p>The stories of Hajar and Maryam as resources for understanding Muslim mothers' experiences (44:44)</p><p>Towards a political and ecological Islamic ethic of care and the importance of place in thinking about care (46:55)</p><p>Future directions for Sarah's research and writing (51:30)</p><p><strong>Some of the writers and thinkers mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Wilhelm_Friedrich_Hegel" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Georg Hegel</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friedrich Nietzsche</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannah_Arendt" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hannah Arendt</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rawls" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">John Rawls</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Kittay" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eva Kittay</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a></p><p>For a transcript of the episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/a-muslim-feminist-ethic-of-care-with" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In what ways do medical racism and ableism shape Muslim families' experiences of healthcare services? How can Islamic spirituality and Qur'anic stories provide resources to support caregivers and receivers of care? Does care ethics need to be decolonised? And what are the implications of a Muslim feminist ethic of care for thinking about illness, disability and reproductive care?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://sarahmunawar.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sarah Munawar</a>. Sarah is a political science instructor at Columbia College in Vancouver, Canada, and she was recently a visiting professor at the Elizabeth Rockwell Center on Ethics and Leadership at the Hobby School of Public Affairs at the University of Houston. Sarah earned her PhD in political science at the University of British Columbia in 2019 with a thesis entitled, ‘<a href="https://open.library.ubc.ca/soa/cIRcle/collections/ubctheses/24/items/1.0387144" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">In Hajar’s footsteps: a de-colonial and Islamic theory of care</a>’, which will also form the basis of a forthcoming book.</p><p>Sarah describes herself as a neurodiverse Muslim, mother, and political theorist, her research articulating a vision of health equity, disability justice and care ethics that is intersectional, Islamic and de-colonial, while also centring the epistemic authority of disabled Muslims as knowers of Islam, Muslim practices of care, and care-based modes of knowing Islam. &nbsp;</p><p>Sarah’s publications include the book chapter ‘In the Belly of the Whale: Theorizing Disability through a De-Colonial and Islamic Ethic of Care’, which was published in 2022, in the collection <a href="https://www.peeters-leuven.be/detail.php?id=8505" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Care Ethics, Religion, and Spiritual Traditions</em></a>; the journal article ‘<a href="https://muse.jhu.edu/article/882873" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Breathwork of Ar-Rahman: An Islamic Ethic of Reproductive Care</a>’, also from 2022; and the book chapter ‘”Be and it is!”: Muslim Cosmologies of Care, Desire, and the Reproduction of Life’, which will appear later this year.</p><p><strong>We explore the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Sarah's family's experience of caring and advocating for her father during his illness (02:50)</p><p>Experiencing medical ableism and racism (08:37)</p><p>Critiquing some religious responses to illness and disability (13:58)</p><p>Qur'anic stories providing a moral vocabulary for care (19:04)</p><p>Muslim and critical disability approaches to assisted dying (23:45)</p><p>Ableist and racist constructions of caregivers (26:52)</p><p>The influence of Eva Kittay on Sarah's thinking and the need to decolonise care ethics (30:22)</p><p>The concept of relational selfhood in Muslim, feminist and indigenous thinking (33:40)</p><p>'The breathwork of Ar-Rahman' as a source of mercy and care (37:39)</p><p>Sarah's development of an Islamic, intersectional ethic of reproductive care, and its roots in her experience of giving birth during the Covid-19 pandemic (39:35)</p><p>The stories of Hajar and Maryam as resources for understanding Muslim mothers' experiences (44:44)</p><p>Towards a political and ecological Islamic ethic of care and the importance of place in thinking about care (46:55)</p><p>Future directions for Sarah's research and writing (51:30)</p><p><strong>Some of the writers and thinkers mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Wilhelm_Friedrich_Hegel" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Georg Hegel</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Friedrich Nietzsche</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannah_Arendt" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hannah Arendt</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rawls" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">John Rawls</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Kittay" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eva Kittay</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a></p><p>For a transcript of the episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/a-muslim-feminist-ethic-of-care-with" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/a-muslim-feminist-ethic-of-care-with-sarah-munawar]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">ec9826b0-edb8-4d7a-a460-52232bc79ef8</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/e1d13387-3583-44c1-b4b4-426f700b935d/g6G34SeV30crEW8yvYm7e1MF.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 20 Aug 2024 09:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/54f0f0f0-da5e-4b3e-a185-0100a51797c4/Careful-Thinking-Sarah-Munawar.mp3" length="53653632" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>55:53</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>13</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>13</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Fatherhood, care and disability - with Aaron Jackson</title><itunes:title>Fatherhood, care and disability - with Aaron Jackson</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>How do parents of children with disabilities create meaningful lives? In what ways do past experiences shape fathers' caregiving in the present? And how is men's care for their disabled children influenced by social norms of masculinity?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://latrobe.academia.edu/AaronJackson" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Aaron Jackson</a>. Aaron is an anthropologist whose research focuses primarily on best practices for supporting people with intellectual disabilities, with an emphasis on active support and supported decision-making. He was recently appointed as Course Coordinator and Head Lecturer of the Masters in Disability Practice at La Trobe University in Melbourne, Australia. Aaron’s academic interests include social worlds of disability and disability care, world-building, identity and memory, gender and masculinities, philosophy of self and other, disability politics of inclusion, emotional experience, and the phenomenology of bereavement. </p><p>Aaron’s doctoral research, which explored the practical and emotional realities of intensive caregiving for fathers of children with profound physical and intellectual disabilities, formed the basis of his book <a href="https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520379855/worlds-of-care" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Worlds of Care: The Emotional Lives of Fathers Caring for Children with Disabilities</em></a>, which was published in 2021.</p><p><strong>We explore the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Aaron's personal and academic journey to researching fatherhood, care and disability (02:34)</p><p>Aaron's ethnographic research with fathers of children with disabilities in the United States (06:52)</p><p>The combination of narrative, creative and academic styles of writing in 'Worlds of Care' (09:55)</p><p>Aaron's inclusion of his personal experience of caregiving in his research and writing  (13:26)</p><p>The influence of key theorists on Aaron's thinking (18:04)</p><p>How parenting a child with a disability disrupts personal life narratives (20:55)</p><p>The focus on emotions in Aaron's research (24:25)</p><p>The role of memory and past experiences on caregiving in the present (28:33)</p><p>Fathers reframing their identities as a result of parenting a child with a disability (32:10)</p><p>Men, masculinities and care (35:33) </p><p>The influences on men's caregiving (38:15)</p><p>Embodied caregiving as a form of moral education (41:46)</p><p>Parents' mutual support as 'moral cosmopolitan communities' (44:20)</p><p>Aaron's experience of serious illness and becoming a receiver of care (47:53)</p><p>Paternalistic relationships in medical practice (50:10)</p><p>Improving care for people with disabilities and support for their families (53:19)</p><p>Aaron's plans for future research (56:45)</p><p><strong>Some of Aaron's other publications</strong></p><p><a href="https://somatosphere.com/2016/the-social-framing-of-diagnoses-and-empathetic-listening.html/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'The social framing of diagnoses and empathetic listening'</a></p><p><a href="https://www.sapiens.org/biology/chronic-lyme-disease-treatment/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'When Doctors Don't Listen'</a></p><p><a href="https://sites.otago.ac.nz/Sites/article/view/407" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Embodied Spaces, Cosmopolitanism and Corporeal Diversity'</a></p><p><a href="https://muse.jhu.edu/article/884279" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Attuned Fathering and the Moral Dimensions of Caregiving'</a></p><p><a href="https://anthrosource.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/etho.12406" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Between us: Facilitated decision-making in the relational experience of profound intellectual disability'</a></p><p><a href="https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-981-99-6143-6_3" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Building Strong Foundations: Listening to and Learning from People with Intellectual Disabilities and Their Families'</a></p><p><strong>Other publications mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p>Maurice Hamington, <a href="https://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/?id=c029288" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Embodied Care: Jane Addams, Maurice Merleau-Ponty, and Feminist Ethics</em></a></p><p>Oliver Sacks<em>, </em><a href="https://www.oliversacks.com/oliver-sacks-books/awakenings/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Awakenings</em></a></p><p>Alison Davies, <a href="https://oro.open.ac.uk/42697/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>'Its a problem with the brain': A discursive analysis of parents' constructions of ADHD</em></a></p><p>Alison Davies, Jonathan Rix and Martin Robb ‘<a href="https://dsq-sds.org/index.php/dsq/article/view/8744" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fathers’ relationships with their disabled children: a literature review</a>’</p><p>Martin Robb, <a href="https://www.routledge.com/Men-Masculinities-and-the-Care-of-Children-Images-Ideas-and-Identities/Robb/p/book/9781032083629" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Men, Masculinities and the Care of Children: Images, Ideas and Identities</em></a></p><p><strong>Some of the thinkers and writers discussed in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Bourdieu" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pierre Bourdieu</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Merleau-Ponty" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Merleau-Ponty</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Heidegger" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Martin Heidegger</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Kittay" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eva Kittay</a></p><p><a href="https://www.saranahmed.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sara Ahmed</a></p><p>For a transcript of the episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/fatherhood-care-and-disability-with" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do parents of children with disabilities create meaningful lives? In what ways do past experiences shape fathers' caregiving in the present? And how is men's care for their disabled children influenced by social norms of masculinity?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://latrobe.academia.edu/AaronJackson" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Aaron Jackson</a>. Aaron is an anthropologist whose research focuses primarily on best practices for supporting people with intellectual disabilities, with an emphasis on active support and supported decision-making. He was recently appointed as Course Coordinator and Head Lecturer of the Masters in Disability Practice at La Trobe University in Melbourne, Australia. Aaron’s academic interests include social worlds of disability and disability care, world-building, identity and memory, gender and masculinities, philosophy of self and other, disability politics of inclusion, emotional experience, and the phenomenology of bereavement. </p><p>Aaron’s doctoral research, which explored the practical and emotional realities of intensive caregiving for fathers of children with profound physical and intellectual disabilities, formed the basis of his book <a href="https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520379855/worlds-of-care" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Worlds of Care: The Emotional Lives of Fathers Caring for Children with Disabilities</em></a>, which was published in 2021.</p><p><strong>We explore the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Aaron's personal and academic journey to researching fatherhood, care and disability (02:34)</p><p>Aaron's ethnographic research with fathers of children with disabilities in the United States (06:52)</p><p>The combination of narrative, creative and academic styles of writing in 'Worlds of Care' (09:55)</p><p>Aaron's inclusion of his personal experience of caregiving in his research and writing  (13:26)</p><p>The influence of key theorists on Aaron's thinking (18:04)</p><p>How parenting a child with a disability disrupts personal life narratives (20:55)</p><p>The focus on emotions in Aaron's research (24:25)</p><p>The role of memory and past experiences on caregiving in the present (28:33)</p><p>Fathers reframing their identities as a result of parenting a child with a disability (32:10)</p><p>Men, masculinities and care (35:33) </p><p>The influences on men's caregiving (38:15)</p><p>Embodied caregiving as a form of moral education (41:46)</p><p>Parents' mutual support as 'moral cosmopolitan communities' (44:20)</p><p>Aaron's experience of serious illness and becoming a receiver of care (47:53)</p><p>Paternalistic relationships in medical practice (50:10)</p><p>Improving care for people with disabilities and support for their families (53:19)</p><p>Aaron's plans for future research (56:45)</p><p><strong>Some of Aaron's other publications</strong></p><p><a href="https://somatosphere.com/2016/the-social-framing-of-diagnoses-and-empathetic-listening.html/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'The social framing of diagnoses and empathetic listening'</a></p><p><a href="https://www.sapiens.org/biology/chronic-lyme-disease-treatment/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'When Doctors Don't Listen'</a></p><p><a href="https://sites.otago.ac.nz/Sites/article/view/407" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Embodied Spaces, Cosmopolitanism and Corporeal Diversity'</a></p><p><a href="https://muse.jhu.edu/article/884279" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Attuned Fathering and the Moral Dimensions of Caregiving'</a></p><p><a href="https://anthrosource.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/etho.12406" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Between us: Facilitated decision-making in the relational experience of profound intellectual disability'</a></p><p><a href="https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-981-99-6143-6_3" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Building Strong Foundations: Listening to and Learning from People with Intellectual Disabilities and Their Families'</a></p><p><strong>Other publications mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p>Maurice Hamington, <a href="https://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/?id=c029288" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Embodied Care: Jane Addams, Maurice Merleau-Ponty, and Feminist Ethics</em></a></p><p>Oliver Sacks<em>, </em><a href="https://www.oliversacks.com/oliver-sacks-books/awakenings/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Awakenings</em></a></p><p>Alison Davies, <a href="https://oro.open.ac.uk/42697/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>'Its a problem with the brain': A discursive analysis of parents' constructions of ADHD</em></a></p><p>Alison Davies, Jonathan Rix and Martin Robb ‘<a href="https://dsq-sds.org/index.php/dsq/article/view/8744" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Fathers’ relationships with their disabled children: a literature review</a>’</p><p>Martin Robb, <a href="https://www.routledge.com/Men-Masculinities-and-the-Care-of-Children-Images-Ideas-and-Identities/Robb/p/book/9781032083629" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Men, Masculinities and the Care of Children: Images, Ideas and Identities</em></a></p><p><strong>Some of the thinkers and writers discussed in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Bourdieu" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Pierre Bourdieu</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Merleau-Ponty" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Merleau-Ponty</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Heidegger" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Martin Heidegger</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Kittay" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eva Kittay</a></p><p><a href="https://www.saranahmed.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sara Ahmed</a></p><p>For a transcript of the episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/fatherhood-care-and-disability-with" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/fatherhood-care-and-disability]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">8e41a23f-32f0-45ae-9dd3-abb6da92ad66</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/10f8f510-4def-4dd6-9997-182554912b2b/Z8sJ5HCXn2xlSr5keG64EcSf.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 22 Jul 2024 09:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/e8f65678-05e8-4d4e-82d1-249008b5a1c2/Aaron-Jackson-split-episode-trial-1.mp3" length="56647808" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>59:00</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>12</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>12</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Care aesthetics - with James Thompson</title><itunes:title>Care aesthetics - with James Thompson</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>What does it mean to describe care as 'beautiful'? Is caring an art, and if so, what would 'artful' care (and careful art) look like? And how might an aesthetics of care transform how we think, not only about interpersonal care, but also about broader social relationships?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode of the podcast, with <a href="https://research.manchester.ac.uk/en/persons/james.thompson" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">James Thompson</a>. James is a theatre practitioner, academic and researcher, and is currently Professor of Applied and Social Theatre at the University of Manchester. James’ professional practice has included ten years developing arts programmes in prisons and over fifteen years documenting and supporting arts projects in sites of armed conflict and humanitarian disaster. He helped to set up the <a href="https://www.tipp.org.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TiPP Centre</a>, which develops participatory arts projects in prison contexts, and also <a href="https://www.inplaceofwar.net/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">In Place of War</a>, a global organisation that uses artistic creativity in places impacted by conflict. </p><p>James’ books include <a href="https://link.springer.com/book/10.1057/9780230242425" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Performance Affects: Applied Theatre and the End of Effect </em></a>and <a href="https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/distributed/P/bo8364297.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Performance in Place of War</em></a>, both published in 2009, and <em>H</em><a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/Humanitarian-Performance-Tragedies-Spectacles-Enactments/dp/0857421093" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>umanitarian Performance: from Disaster Tragedies to Spectacles of War,</em></a> from 2014. He also co-edited the collection <a href="https://manchesteruniversitypress.co.uk/9781526146809/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Performing Care: New Perspectives on Socially Engaged Performance</em></a><em>,</em> which was published in 2020. James’ most recent book is <a href="https://www.routledge.com/Care-Aesthetics-For-artful-care-and-careful-art/Thompson/p/book/9781032196169" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Care Aesthetics: For Artful Care and Careful Art,</em></a> which came out in 2023. He currently leads a cross-disciplinary team of theatre and nursing academics and practitioners working on the <a href="https://research.manchester.ac.uk/en/projects/care-aesthetics-research-exploration-project" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Care Aesthetics Research Exploration project</a>, funded by the Arts and Humanities Research Council, which explores what happens when we consider care a craft of artful practice.</p><p><strong>We explore the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>James' work in prisons and the activities of the TiPP Centre (03:00)</p><p>James' experience in conflict zones and the work of 'In Place of War' (05:38)</p><p>The personal roots of James' interest in care aesthetics (08: 04)</p><p>The genesis of 'Care Aesthetics' during the COVID-19 pandemic (11:00)</p><p>'Clapping for carers' as an aesthetic experience (12:33)</p><p>Towards an alternative aesthetics (14:38)</p><p>Relational aesthetics (18:23)</p><p>'In between' aesthetics (21:00)</p><p>Self care and care for the other (22:52)</p><p>The influence of feminist care ethics (25:00)</p><p>Connecting intimate care with care for the wider community (27:52)</p><p>Care as performance (31:14)</p><p>Art, play and care (34:43)</p><p>An aesthetic critique of care (37:13)</p><p>Towards a dramaturgy of care (40:42)</p><p>Everyday care aesthetics (43:51)</p><p>Slow art and slow care (45:50)</p><p>A care aesthetics manifesto (47:30)</p><p>The Care Aesthetics Research Exploration Project (49:35)</p><p>The Care Lab and the future of care aesthetics (52:47)</p><p><strong>Some of the writers, thinkers, researchers and practitioners mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Morris" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">William Morris</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ruskin" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">John Ruskin</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Buber" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Martin Buber</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Levinas" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Emmanuel Levinas</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luce_Irigaray" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Luce Irigaray</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nel_Noddings" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nell Noddings</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Kittay" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eva Kittay</a></p><p><a href="https://www.mhamington.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Hamington</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/revolutionary-care-with-maurice-hamington" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 6</a>)</p><p><a href="https://christineleroyplume.wordpress.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Christine Leroy</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/dance-empathy-and-care-with-christine-leroy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 7</a>)</p><p><a href="https://cas-cz.academia.edu/PetrUrban" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Petr Urban</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/care-ethics-phenomenology-and-play-with-petr-urban" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 4</a>)</p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Marian-Barnes-2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Marian Barnes</a></p><p><a href="https://www.ul.ie/research/dr-hilary-moss" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hilary Moss</a></p><p><a href="https://www.clairecunningham.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Claire Cunningham</a></p><p><a href="https://nickyhatton.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nicola Hatton</a></p><p><a href="https://research.manchester.ac.uk/en/persons/john.keady" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">John Keady</a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jacqueline-Kindell" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jackie Kindell</a></p><p><a href="https://www.bbk.ac.uk/our-staff/profile/8008840/kerry-harman" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kerry Harman</a></p><p><a href="https://www.jennyharrisdrama.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jenny Harris</a></p><p><a href="https://research.manchester.ac.uk/en/persons/kate.maguire-rosier" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kate Maguire-Rosier</a></p><p><a href="https://www.rekapolonyi.net/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Reka Polonyi</a></p><p><strong>Other links</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.tipp.org.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The TiPP Centre</a></p><p><a href="https://www.inplaceofwar.net/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">In Place of War</a></p><p><a href="https://www.thecarelab.org.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Care Lab</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clap_for_Our_Carers" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Clap for Our Carers</a></p><p>For a transcript of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/care-aesthetics-with-james-thompson" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does it mean to describe care as 'beautiful'? Is caring an art, and if so, what would 'artful' care (and careful art) look like? And how might an aesthetics of care transform how we think, not only about interpersonal care, but also about broader social relationships?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode of the podcast, with <a href="https://research.manchester.ac.uk/en/persons/james.thompson" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">James Thompson</a>. James is a theatre practitioner, academic and researcher, and is currently Professor of Applied and Social Theatre at the University of Manchester. James’ professional practice has included ten years developing arts programmes in prisons and over fifteen years documenting and supporting arts projects in sites of armed conflict and humanitarian disaster. He helped to set up the <a href="https://www.tipp.org.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TiPP Centre</a>, which develops participatory arts projects in prison contexts, and also <a href="https://www.inplaceofwar.net/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">In Place of War</a>, a global organisation that uses artistic creativity in places impacted by conflict. </p><p>James’ books include <a href="https://link.springer.com/book/10.1057/9780230242425" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Performance Affects: Applied Theatre and the End of Effect </em></a>and <a href="https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/distributed/P/bo8364297.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Performance in Place of War</em></a>, both published in 2009, and <em>H</em><a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/Humanitarian-Performance-Tragedies-Spectacles-Enactments/dp/0857421093" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>umanitarian Performance: from Disaster Tragedies to Spectacles of War,</em></a> from 2014. He also co-edited the collection <a href="https://manchesteruniversitypress.co.uk/9781526146809/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Performing Care: New Perspectives on Socially Engaged Performance</em></a><em>,</em> which was published in 2020. James’ most recent book is <a href="https://www.routledge.com/Care-Aesthetics-For-artful-care-and-careful-art/Thompson/p/book/9781032196169" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Care Aesthetics: For Artful Care and Careful Art,</em></a> which came out in 2023. He currently leads a cross-disciplinary team of theatre and nursing academics and practitioners working on the <a href="https://research.manchester.ac.uk/en/projects/care-aesthetics-research-exploration-project" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Care Aesthetics Research Exploration project</a>, funded by the Arts and Humanities Research Council, which explores what happens when we consider care a craft of artful practice.</p><p><strong>We explore the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>James' work in prisons and the activities of the TiPP Centre (03:00)</p><p>James' experience in conflict zones and the work of 'In Place of War' (05:38)</p><p>The personal roots of James' interest in care aesthetics (08: 04)</p><p>The genesis of 'Care Aesthetics' during the COVID-19 pandemic (11:00)</p><p>'Clapping for carers' as an aesthetic experience (12:33)</p><p>Towards an alternative aesthetics (14:38)</p><p>Relational aesthetics (18:23)</p><p>'In between' aesthetics (21:00)</p><p>Self care and care for the other (22:52)</p><p>The influence of feminist care ethics (25:00)</p><p>Connecting intimate care with care for the wider community (27:52)</p><p>Care as performance (31:14)</p><p>Art, play and care (34:43)</p><p>An aesthetic critique of care (37:13)</p><p>Towards a dramaturgy of care (40:42)</p><p>Everyday care aesthetics (43:51)</p><p>Slow art and slow care (45:50)</p><p>A care aesthetics manifesto (47:30)</p><p>The Care Aesthetics Research Exploration Project (49:35)</p><p>The Care Lab and the future of care aesthetics (52:47)</p><p><strong>Some of the writers, thinkers, researchers and practitioners mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Morris" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">William Morris</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ruskin" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">John Ruskin</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Buber" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Martin Buber</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Levinas" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Emmanuel Levinas</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luce_Irigaray" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Luce Irigaray</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nel_Noddings" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nell Noddings</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Kittay" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eva Kittay</a></p><p><a href="https://www.mhamington.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Hamington</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/revolutionary-care-with-maurice-hamington" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 6</a>)</p><p><a href="https://christineleroyplume.wordpress.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Christine Leroy</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/dance-empathy-and-care-with-christine-leroy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 7</a>)</p><p><a href="https://cas-cz.academia.edu/PetrUrban" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Petr Urban</a> (see <a href="https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/care-ethics-phenomenology-and-play-with-petr-urban" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 4</a>)</p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Marian-Barnes-2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Marian Barnes</a></p><p><a href="https://www.ul.ie/research/dr-hilary-moss" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hilary Moss</a></p><p><a href="https://www.clairecunningham.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Claire Cunningham</a></p><p><a href="https://nickyhatton.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nicola Hatton</a></p><p><a href="https://research.manchester.ac.uk/en/persons/john.keady" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">John Keady</a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jacqueline-Kindell" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jackie Kindell</a></p><p><a href="https://www.bbk.ac.uk/our-staff/profile/8008840/kerry-harman" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kerry Harman</a></p><p><a href="https://www.jennyharrisdrama.co.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jenny Harris</a></p><p><a href="https://research.manchester.ac.uk/en/persons/kate.maguire-rosier" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kate Maguire-Rosier</a></p><p><a href="https://www.rekapolonyi.net/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Reka Polonyi</a></p><p><strong>Other links</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.tipp.org.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The TiPP Centre</a></p><p><a href="https://www.inplaceofwar.net/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">In Place of War</a></p><p><a href="https://www.thecarelab.org.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Care Lab</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clap_for_Our_Carers" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Clap for Our Carers</a></p><p>For a transcript of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/care-aesthetics-with-james-thompson" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/care-aesthetics-with-james-thompson]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">33eb7ea4-e4af-45f6-a7bf-665610df71a7</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/11a4cdbf-dd7c-4034-b0a8-abd55be5f363/g8xBe8v2pOeWItcvgFHFqbXv.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2024 09:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/1b9c78e1-d991-4fcb-b6b8-fc6940890ac7/Careful-Thinking-James-Thompson.mp3" length="53067904" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>55:17</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>11</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>11</podcast:episode></item><item><title>The virtue of care - with Steven Steyl</title><itunes:title>The virtue of care - with Steven Steyl</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Is care a virtue? And what is the relationship between care ethics and virtue ethics? Is there a need to 'queer' care ethics? And what does an ethic of care have to say about the needs of marginalised groups like migrants and those with invisible disabilities?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://nd-au.academia.edu/StevenSteyl" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Steven Steyl</a>. Steven studied law, philosophy and politics at the University of Auckland in New Zealand, where he also completed an M.A. in politics and international relations. He then studied for a PhD, at the University of Notre Dame Australia, where his thesis was entitled ‘Towards an Aristotelian Theory of Care: A Comparison of Neo-Aristotelian Virtue Ethics with Feminist Ethics of Care, and the Fundaments of a Virtue Ethical Theory of Care.’ Steven has been a visiting researcher at Oxford, at the University of Minnesota and at Arizona State University, and he currently teaches at UNDA’s Sydney campus where he will shortly be taking up a new post coordinating the national bioethics curriculum. Steven is also in the process of completing postgraduate legal training with the New Zealand Law Society and from July he'll have a licence to practice law. He has published a number of journal articles  in the field of care ethics, exploring the nature of caring actions, the relationship between care ethics and virtue ethics, and queer care ethics. With Daniel Engster, Steven is co-editing a forthcoming collection on care and moral theory.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>The origins of Steven's interest in care theory (02:55)</p><p>Care and the virtues (05:43)</p><p>Care ethics and analytic philosophy (19:46) </p><p>Caring actions (23:14)</p><p>Queering care ethics (30:18)</p><p>Conversion therapy and the ethics of care (37:42)</p><p>Care theory and invisible disabilities (41:27)</p><p>Care ethics and migration (45:57)</p><p>Steven's plans for the future - philosophy or the law? (48:17)</p><p><strong>Links to some of Steven's publications</strong></p><p><a href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/hypa.12481" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'The Virtue of Care' </a>(2019)</p><p><a href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/hypatia/article/abs/caring-actions/FA098162AE1E4C31F7CA24643A8DAC33" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Caring Actions' </a>(2019)</p><p><a href="https://academic.oup.com/pq/article/71/3/502/5910403" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'A Care Ethical Theory of Right Action' </a>(2020)</p><p>'Theologically Motivated Conversion Therapy and Care Epistemology' in <a href="https://www.peeters-leuven.be/detail.php?search_key=9789042946545&amp;series_number_str=13&amp;lang=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Care Ethics, Religion and Spiritual Traditions</em></a></p><p><strong>Other publications discussed in the episode</strong></p><p>Clare Mac Cumhaill and Rachael Wiseman, <a href="https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/440498/metaphysical-animals-by-wiseman-clare-mac-cumhaill-and-rachael/9781529112184" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Metaphysical Animals: How Four Women Brought Philosophy Back to Life</em></a></p><p>Carol Gilligan<em>, </em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_a_Different_Voice" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>In a Different Voice: Psychological Theory and Women's Development</em></a></p><p>Lynne Huffer, <a href="https://cup.columbia.edu/book/are-the-lips-a-grave/9780231164160" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Are the Lips a Grave? A Queer Feminist on the Ethics of Sex</em></a></p><p><strong>Some of the writers and thinkers mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Aristotle</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalind_Hursthouse" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Rosalind Hursthouse</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Slote" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Michael Slote</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Held" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Virginia Held</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Kittay" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eva Kittay</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nel_Noddings" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nell Noddings</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a></p><p><a href="https://philpeople.org/profiles/howard-curzer" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Howard Curzer</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippa_Foot" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Philippa Foot</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alasdair_MacIntyre" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Alasdair McIntyre</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._E._M._Anscombe" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Elizabeth Anscombe</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Wittgenstein" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ludwig Wittgenstein</a></p><p><a href="https://www.mhamington.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Hamington</a></p><p><a href="https://wgss.la.psu.edu/people/hjm30/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hil Malatino</a></p><p>For a transcript of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/the-virtue-of-care-with-steven-steyl" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is care a virtue? And what is the relationship between care ethics and virtue ethics? Is there a need to 'queer' care ethics? And what does an ethic of care have to say about the needs of marginalised groups like migrants and those with invisible disabilities?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://nd-au.academia.edu/StevenSteyl" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Steven Steyl</a>. Steven studied law, philosophy and politics at the University of Auckland in New Zealand, where he also completed an M.A. in politics and international relations. He then studied for a PhD, at the University of Notre Dame Australia, where his thesis was entitled ‘Towards an Aristotelian Theory of Care: A Comparison of Neo-Aristotelian Virtue Ethics with Feminist Ethics of Care, and the Fundaments of a Virtue Ethical Theory of Care.’ Steven has been a visiting researcher at Oxford, at the University of Minnesota and at Arizona State University, and he currently teaches at UNDA’s Sydney campus where he will shortly be taking up a new post coordinating the national bioethics curriculum. Steven is also in the process of completing postgraduate legal training with the New Zealand Law Society and from July he'll have a licence to practice law. He has published a number of journal articles  in the field of care ethics, exploring the nature of caring actions, the relationship between care ethics and virtue ethics, and queer care ethics. With Daniel Engster, Steven is co-editing a forthcoming collection on care and moral theory.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>The origins of Steven's interest in care theory (02:55)</p><p>Care and the virtues (05:43)</p><p>Care ethics and analytic philosophy (19:46) </p><p>Caring actions (23:14)</p><p>Queering care ethics (30:18)</p><p>Conversion therapy and the ethics of care (37:42)</p><p>Care theory and invisible disabilities (41:27)</p><p>Care ethics and migration (45:57)</p><p>Steven's plans for the future - philosophy or the law? (48:17)</p><p><strong>Links to some of Steven's publications</strong></p><p><a href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/hypa.12481" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'The Virtue of Care' </a>(2019)</p><p><a href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/hypatia/article/abs/caring-actions/FA098162AE1E4C31F7CA24643A8DAC33" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Caring Actions' </a>(2019)</p><p><a href="https://academic.oup.com/pq/article/71/3/502/5910403" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'A Care Ethical Theory of Right Action' </a>(2020)</p><p>'Theologically Motivated Conversion Therapy and Care Epistemology' in <a href="https://www.peeters-leuven.be/detail.php?search_key=9789042946545&amp;series_number_str=13&amp;lang=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Care Ethics, Religion and Spiritual Traditions</em></a></p><p><strong>Other publications discussed in the episode</strong></p><p>Clare Mac Cumhaill and Rachael Wiseman, <a href="https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/440498/metaphysical-animals-by-wiseman-clare-mac-cumhaill-and-rachael/9781529112184" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Metaphysical Animals: How Four Women Brought Philosophy Back to Life</em></a></p><p>Carol Gilligan<em>, </em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_a_Different_Voice" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>In a Different Voice: Psychological Theory and Women's Development</em></a></p><p>Lynne Huffer, <a href="https://cup.columbia.edu/book/are-the-lips-a-grave/9780231164160" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Are the Lips a Grave? A Queer Feminist on the Ethics of Sex</em></a></p><p><strong>Some of the writers and thinkers mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Aristotle</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalind_Hursthouse" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Rosalind Hursthouse</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Slote" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Michael Slote</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Held" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Virginia Held</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Kittay" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eva Kittay</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nel_Noddings" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nell Noddings</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a></p><p><a href="https://philpeople.org/profiles/howard-curzer" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Howard Curzer</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippa_Foot" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Philippa Foot</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alasdair_MacIntyre" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Alasdair McIntyre</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._E._M._Anscombe" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Elizabeth Anscombe</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Wittgenstein" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ludwig Wittgenstein</a></p><p><a href="https://www.mhamington.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Hamington</a></p><p><a href="https://wgss.la.psu.edu/people/hjm30/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hil Malatino</a></p><p>For a transcript of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/the-virtue-of-care-with-steven-steyl" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/the-virtue-of-care-with-steven-steyl]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">a2f9229c-de10-4f5c-9760-b3973514012a</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/679beb37-47dd-4c0d-9909-fb7c90ff40dc/FjSfZ2urnCSlWA4s2n17Hk0x.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2024 10:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/34a903e6-90d9-497d-8f31-dbf52503c3b9/Careful-Thinking-Steven-Steyl.mp3" length="49016960" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>51:03</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>10</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>10</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Care at the end of life - with Erica Borgstrom</title><itunes:title>Care at the end of life - with Erica Borgstrom</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In what sense are death and dying relational experiences? Why is 'choice' a problematic concept in end of life care? And when might a decision not to intervene be viewed as a form of care? </p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://www.open.ac.uk/people/esb79" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Erica Borgstrom</a>.  Erica is a Professor of Medical Anthropology&nbsp;at The Open University, where she leads&nbsp;<a href="https://wels.open.ac.uk/research/open-thanatology" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Open Thanatology</em></a>, the university’s interdisciplinary research group for the study of death, dying, loss and grief across the life course. Erica is editor of the international, interdisciplinary journal <a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/journals/cmrt20" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Mortality</em></a> and one of the editors overseeing the book series <a href="https://bristoluniversitypress.co.uk/death-and-culture" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Death and Culture</em> </a>for Bristol University Press<em>. </em>Her doctoral research at the University of Cambridge ethnographically examined English end-of-life care - from policy, to practice, to everyday experiences, focusing on choice and advance care planning. With Simon Cohn and Annelieke Driessen, Erica worked on the <a href="https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/research/centres-projects-groups/forms-of-care" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Forms of Care</em> </a>project, which critically&nbsp;examined non-intervention in end of life care. With a range of collaborators across projects, Erica has also explored how palliative and end of life care are provided in various contexts, including in acute hospital settings, hospices, and through <em>doula</em> provision. Recently, one of Erica’s main research projects has been focused on understanding how people interpret and use the <a href="https://www.england.nhs.uk/publication/ambitions-for-palliative-and-end-of-life-care-a-national-framework-for-local-action-2021-2026/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ambitions Framework for Palliative and End of Life Care,</a> a project funded by NHS England and Marie Curie. Erica is the author or co-author of many articles and book chapters. She has co-edited two collections on research methodology, <a href="https://www.routledge.com/Researching-Death-Dying-and-Bereavement/Borgstrom-Ellis-Woodthorpe/p/book/9780367891060" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Researching Death, Dying and Bereavement&nbsp;</em></a>and<em>&nbsp;</em><a href="https://www.routledge.com/Unpacking-Sensitive-Research-Epistemological-and-Methodological-Implications/Borgstrom-Mallon-Murphy/p/book/9781032172217" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Unpacking Sensitive Research: Epistemological and Methodological Implications</em></a>. With Sharon Mallon, she co-edited the collection <a href="https://www.open.edu/openlearn/narratives-of-covid" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Narratives of COVID: Loss, Dying, Death and Grief during COVID-19</em></a>.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>The origins of Erica's academic interest in end of life care (03:02)</p><p>Erica's international background and its influence on her thinking about palliative care (04:35)</p><p>Erica's doctoral research on choice in end of life care (08:38)</p><p>Family practices and relationships at the end of life (13:25)</p><p>Critiquing the 'compassionate care' discourse (16:55)</p><p>Ethnographically analysing the Liverpool Care Pathway (20:46)</p><p>'Non-intervention' as a form of care (27:15)</p><p>The patient as human versus the patient as person (29:33)</p><p>Intimacy and proximity in the context of a global pandemic (34:03)</p><p>Loss, dying, death and grief during COVID-19 (37:15)</p><p>Research and education on death and dying at The Open University (42:12)</p><p>Erica's plans for future research (46:11)</p><p><strong>Links to some of Erica's publications</strong></p><p>'<a href="https://www.repository.cam.ac.uk/items/3c1f8faf-2ad4-49e1-80c8-6c6612a68fbe" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Planning for death? An ethnographic study of choice and English end-of-life care'</a> (PhD thesis)</p><p><a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0038038519841828" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'"We don't want to go and be idle ducks": family practices at the end of life'</a></p><p><a href="https://'Choiceandcompassionattheendoflife:AcriticalanalysisofrecentEnglishpolicydiscourse'" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Choice and compassion at the end of life: A critical analysis of recent English policy discourse'</a></p><p><a href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1467-9566.13529" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Standardising care of the dying: An ethnographic analysis of the Liverpool Care Pathway in England and the Netherlands'</a></p><p><a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/01622439231155647" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Human and person when life is fragile: new relationships and inherent ambivalences in the care of dying patients'</a></p><p><a href="https://www.berghahnjournals.com/view/journals/aia/28/1/aia280103.xml" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Ways of "being with": Caring for dying patients at the height of the Covid-19 pandemic'</a></p><p><strong> Open University links</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.open.edu/openlearn/health-sports-psychology/open-thanatology" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Open Thanatology Hub</a> at <a href="https://www.open.edu/openlearn/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">OpenLearn</a></p><p><a href="https://www.open.ac.uk/courses/modules/k220" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>K220 Death, Dying and Bereavement</em></a></p><p><strong>Some of the researchers and writers mentioned in the episode:</strong></p><p><a href="https://pure.hud.ac.uk/en/persons/julie-ellis" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Julie Ellis</a></p><p><a href="https://katewoodthorpe.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kate Woodthorpe</a></p><p><a href="https://researchportal.bath.ac.uk/en/persons/tony-walter" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Tony Walter</a></p><p><a href="https://www.universiteitleiden.nl/en/staffmembers/natashe-lemos-dekker#tab-1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Natashe Lemos Dekker</a></p><p><a href="https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/aboutus/people/cohn.simon" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Simon Cohn</a></p><p><a href="https://www.anneliekedriessen.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Annelieke Driessen</a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Sharon-Mallon-2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sharon Mallon</a></p><p>For a transcript of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/care-at-the-end-of-life-with-erica" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In what sense are death and dying relational experiences? Why is 'choice' a problematic concept in end of life care? And when might a decision not to intervene be viewed as a form of care? </p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://www.open.ac.uk/people/esb79" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Erica Borgstrom</a>.  Erica is a Professor of Medical Anthropology&nbsp;at The Open University, where she leads&nbsp;<a href="https://wels.open.ac.uk/research/open-thanatology" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Open Thanatology</em></a>, the university’s interdisciplinary research group for the study of death, dying, loss and grief across the life course. Erica is editor of the international, interdisciplinary journal <a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/journals/cmrt20" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Mortality</em></a> and one of the editors overseeing the book series <a href="https://bristoluniversitypress.co.uk/death-and-culture" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Death and Culture</em> </a>for Bristol University Press<em>. </em>Her doctoral research at the University of Cambridge ethnographically examined English end-of-life care - from policy, to practice, to everyday experiences, focusing on choice and advance care planning. With Simon Cohn and Annelieke Driessen, Erica worked on the <a href="https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/research/centres-projects-groups/forms-of-care" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Forms of Care</em> </a>project, which critically&nbsp;examined non-intervention in end of life care. With a range of collaborators across projects, Erica has also explored how palliative and end of life care are provided in various contexts, including in acute hospital settings, hospices, and through <em>doula</em> provision. Recently, one of Erica’s main research projects has been focused on understanding how people interpret and use the <a href="https://www.england.nhs.uk/publication/ambitions-for-palliative-and-end-of-life-care-a-national-framework-for-local-action-2021-2026/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ambitions Framework for Palliative and End of Life Care,</a> a project funded by NHS England and Marie Curie. Erica is the author or co-author of many articles and book chapters. She has co-edited two collections on research methodology, <a href="https://www.routledge.com/Researching-Death-Dying-and-Bereavement/Borgstrom-Ellis-Woodthorpe/p/book/9780367891060" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Researching Death, Dying and Bereavement&nbsp;</em></a>and<em>&nbsp;</em><a href="https://www.routledge.com/Unpacking-Sensitive-Research-Epistemological-and-Methodological-Implications/Borgstrom-Mallon-Murphy/p/book/9781032172217" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Unpacking Sensitive Research: Epistemological and Methodological Implications</em></a>. With Sharon Mallon, she co-edited the collection <a href="https://www.open.edu/openlearn/narratives-of-covid" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Narratives of COVID: Loss, Dying, Death and Grief during COVID-19</em></a>.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>The origins of Erica's academic interest in end of life care (03:02)</p><p>Erica's international background and its influence on her thinking about palliative care (04:35)</p><p>Erica's doctoral research on choice in end of life care (08:38)</p><p>Family practices and relationships at the end of life (13:25)</p><p>Critiquing the 'compassionate care' discourse (16:55)</p><p>Ethnographically analysing the Liverpool Care Pathway (20:46)</p><p>'Non-intervention' as a form of care (27:15)</p><p>The patient as human versus the patient as person (29:33)</p><p>Intimacy and proximity in the context of a global pandemic (34:03)</p><p>Loss, dying, death and grief during COVID-19 (37:15)</p><p>Research and education on death and dying at The Open University (42:12)</p><p>Erica's plans for future research (46:11)</p><p><strong>Links to some of Erica's publications</strong></p><p>'<a href="https://www.repository.cam.ac.uk/items/3c1f8faf-2ad4-49e1-80c8-6c6612a68fbe" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Planning for death? An ethnographic study of choice and English end-of-life care'</a> (PhD thesis)</p><p><a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0038038519841828" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'"We don't want to go and be idle ducks": family practices at the end of life'</a></p><p><a href="https://'Choiceandcompassionattheendoflife:AcriticalanalysisofrecentEnglishpolicydiscourse'" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Choice and compassion at the end of life: A critical analysis of recent English policy discourse'</a></p><p><a href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1467-9566.13529" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Standardising care of the dying: An ethnographic analysis of the Liverpool Care Pathway in England and the Netherlands'</a></p><p><a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/01622439231155647" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Human and person when life is fragile: new relationships and inherent ambivalences in the care of dying patients'</a></p><p><a href="https://www.berghahnjournals.com/view/journals/aia/28/1/aia280103.xml" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Ways of "being with": Caring for dying patients at the height of the Covid-19 pandemic'</a></p><p><strong> Open University links</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.open.edu/openlearn/health-sports-psychology/open-thanatology" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Open Thanatology Hub</a> at <a href="https://www.open.edu/openlearn/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">OpenLearn</a></p><p><a href="https://www.open.ac.uk/courses/modules/k220" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>K220 Death, Dying and Bereavement</em></a></p><p><strong>Some of the researchers and writers mentioned in the episode:</strong></p><p><a href="https://pure.hud.ac.uk/en/persons/julie-ellis" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Julie Ellis</a></p><p><a href="https://katewoodthorpe.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kate Woodthorpe</a></p><p><a href="https://researchportal.bath.ac.uk/en/persons/tony-walter" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Tony Walter</a></p><p><a href="https://www.universiteitleiden.nl/en/staffmembers/natashe-lemos-dekker#tab-1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Natashe Lemos Dekker</a></p><p><a href="https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/aboutus/people/cohn.simon" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Simon Cohn</a></p><p><a href="https://www.anneliekedriessen.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Annelieke Driessen</a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Sharon-Mallon-2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sharon Mallon</a></p><p>For a transcript of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/care-at-the-end-of-life-with-erica" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/care-at-the-end-of-life-with-erica-borgstrom]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">b8554e7f-6b23-47b0-a280-b4a2b7d6747c</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/5fe3cb19-a9c9-48bb-863b-c82e7c70ce93/RHbgSdgdBOGwDno3ms8MTWnM.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2024 09:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/00a9e65d-8993-4a5e-8ce3-3b27003c9c97/Careful-Thinking-Erica-Borgstrom.mp3" length="46411904" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>48:21</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>9</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>9</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Spiritual care - with Carlo Leget</title><itunes:title>Spiritual care - with Carlo Leget</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>How can religious traditions regarding death and dying be adapted for a modern secular culture? What can the concept of 'inner space' contribute to understanding and improving care for the dying and support for the bereaved? And what role do moments of wonder play in the practice of care?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://www.uvh.nl/university-of-humanistic-studies/contact/search-employees/carlo-leget" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Carlo Leget</strong></a>. Carlo is Professor of Care Ethics at the University of Humanistic Studies in Utrecht in the Netherlands and the co-founder, with <a href="https://pure.au.dk/portal/en/persons/m.guldin%40ph.au.dk" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mai-Britt Guldin</a>, of the <a href="https://sorgogeksistens.dk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Center for Grief and Existential Values</a>, which is based in Aarhus, Denmark. Originally trained as a theologian, Carlo has worked in the fields of moral theology, medical ethics, care ethics and spirituality. His publications in English include <em>Living with God: Thomas Aquinas on the Relation between Life on Earth and ‘Life' after Death</em>, published in 1997, the influential book <em>Art of Living, Art of Dying: Spiritual Care for a Good Death</em>, from 2017, and, with Finn Thorbjørn Hansen and Solveig Botnen Eide, the edited collection <em>Wonder, Silence, and Human Flourishing: Toward a Rehumanization</em> <em>of Health, Education, and Welfare</em>, which was published in 2023. <em>Grief and Existential Awareness: an Integrative Approach</em>, co-written with Mai-Britt Guldin, will be published later this year.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Carlo's journey from theology to care ethics (02:45)</p><p>The philosophers and writers who have influenced Carlo's thinking (06:58)</p><p>The Masters programme in Care Ethics at the University of Humanistic Studies in Utrecht (08:15)</p><p>'Art of Living, Art of Dying' (13:23)</p><p>The concept of 'inner space' (17:02)</p><p>The art of dying model in practice (22:24)</p><p>The relevance of the model in a secular and multicultural society (26:19)</p><p>A care-ethical approach to euthanasia and assisted dying (30:15)</p><p>The Center for Grief and Existential Values (36:32)</p><p>An integrative process model of grief and loss (41:57)</p><p>'Wonder, Silence and Human Flourishing' (46:49)</p><p>The concept of resonance (49:38)</p><p>'Wonder Labs' and their relevance for care practice (54:42)</p><p>Carlo's plans for future research and writing (57:04)</p><p><strong>Links to some of Carlo's publications</strong></p><p>'<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Aquinas-Relation-between-Instituut-Utrecht/dp/9068319663" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Living with God: Thomas Aquinas on the Relation between Life on Earth and "Life" after Death'</a></p><p>'<a href="https://uk.jkp.com/products/art-of-living-art-of-dying" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Art of Living, Art of Dying: Spiritual Care for a Good Death</a>'</p><p>'<a href="https://rowman.com/ISBN/9781666911206/Wonder-Silence-and-Human-Flourishing-Toward-a-Rehumanization-of-Health-Education-and-Welfare" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Wonder, Silence, and Human Flourishing: Toward a Rehumanization of Health, Education, and Welfare'</a></p><p><a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/07481187.2023.2272960" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'The integrated process model of loss and grief – an interprofessional understanding’</a></p><p><strong>Other publications mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_and_Method" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hans-Georg Gadamer, 'Truth and Method'</a></p><p><a href="https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9781003070672/moral-boundaries-joan-tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto, 'Moral Boundaries'</a></p><p><strong>Some of the writers and thinkers discussed in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Aquinas" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Thomas Aquinas</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Augustine of Hippo</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%B8ren_Kierkegaard" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Søren<strong> </strong>Kierkegaard</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Wolfgang_von_Goethe" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Johann Wolfgang von Goethe</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Urban_Walker" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Margaret Urban Walker</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ric%C5%93ur" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Paul Ricoeur</a></p><p><a href="https://www.zorgethiek.nu/annelies-van-heijst-hoogleraar-zorgethiek-en-caritas/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Annelies van Heijst</a></p><p><a href="https://ethicsofcare.org/personal-memories-of-frans-vosman-1952-2020/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Frans Vosman</a></p><p><a href="https://vbn.aau.dk/en/persons/123561" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Finn Thorbjørn Hansen</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartmut_Rosa" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hartmut Rosa</a></p><p><a href="https://maryfrancesoconnor.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mary-Frances O'Connor</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irvin_D._Yalom" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Irvin Yalom</a></p><p>For a transcript of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/spiritual-care-with-carlo-leget" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can religious traditions regarding death and dying be adapted for a modern secular culture? What can the concept of 'inner space' contribute to understanding and improving care for the dying and support for the bereaved? And what role do moments of wonder play in the practice of care?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://www.uvh.nl/university-of-humanistic-studies/contact/search-employees/carlo-leget" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Carlo Leget</strong></a>. Carlo is Professor of Care Ethics at the University of Humanistic Studies in Utrecht in the Netherlands and the co-founder, with <a href="https://pure.au.dk/portal/en/persons/m.guldin%40ph.au.dk" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mai-Britt Guldin</a>, of the <a href="https://sorgogeksistens.dk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Center for Grief and Existential Values</a>, which is based in Aarhus, Denmark. Originally trained as a theologian, Carlo has worked in the fields of moral theology, medical ethics, care ethics and spirituality. His publications in English include <em>Living with God: Thomas Aquinas on the Relation between Life on Earth and ‘Life' after Death</em>, published in 1997, the influential book <em>Art of Living, Art of Dying: Spiritual Care for a Good Death</em>, from 2017, and, with Finn Thorbjørn Hansen and Solveig Botnen Eide, the edited collection <em>Wonder, Silence, and Human Flourishing: Toward a Rehumanization</em> <em>of Health, Education, and Welfare</em>, which was published in 2023. <em>Grief and Existential Awareness: an Integrative Approach</em>, co-written with Mai-Britt Guldin, will be published later this year.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Carlo's journey from theology to care ethics (02:45)</p><p>The philosophers and writers who have influenced Carlo's thinking (06:58)</p><p>The Masters programme in Care Ethics at the University of Humanistic Studies in Utrecht (08:15)</p><p>'Art of Living, Art of Dying' (13:23)</p><p>The concept of 'inner space' (17:02)</p><p>The art of dying model in practice (22:24)</p><p>The relevance of the model in a secular and multicultural society (26:19)</p><p>A care-ethical approach to euthanasia and assisted dying (30:15)</p><p>The Center for Grief and Existential Values (36:32)</p><p>An integrative process model of grief and loss (41:57)</p><p>'Wonder, Silence and Human Flourishing' (46:49)</p><p>The concept of resonance (49:38)</p><p>'Wonder Labs' and their relevance for care practice (54:42)</p><p>Carlo's plans for future research and writing (57:04)</p><p><strong>Links to some of Carlo's publications</strong></p><p>'<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Aquinas-Relation-between-Instituut-Utrecht/dp/9068319663" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Living with God: Thomas Aquinas on the Relation between Life on Earth and "Life" after Death'</a></p><p>'<a href="https://uk.jkp.com/products/art-of-living-art-of-dying" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Art of Living, Art of Dying: Spiritual Care for a Good Death</a>'</p><p>'<a href="https://rowman.com/ISBN/9781666911206/Wonder-Silence-and-Human-Flourishing-Toward-a-Rehumanization-of-Health-Education-and-Welfare" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Wonder, Silence, and Human Flourishing: Toward a Rehumanization of Health, Education, and Welfare'</a></p><p><a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/07481187.2023.2272960" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'The integrated process model of loss and grief – an interprofessional understanding’</a></p><p><strong>Other publications mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_and_Method" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hans-Georg Gadamer, 'Truth and Method'</a></p><p><a href="https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9781003070672/moral-boundaries-joan-tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto, 'Moral Boundaries'</a></p><p><strong>Some of the writers and thinkers discussed in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Aquinas" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Thomas Aquinas</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Augustine of Hippo</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%B8ren_Kierkegaard" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Søren<strong> </strong>Kierkegaard</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Wolfgang_von_Goethe" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Johann Wolfgang von Goethe</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Urban_Walker" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Margaret Urban Walker</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ric%C5%93ur" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Paul Ricoeur</a></p><p><a href="https://www.zorgethiek.nu/annelies-van-heijst-hoogleraar-zorgethiek-en-caritas/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Annelies van Heijst</a></p><p><a href="https://ethicsofcare.org/personal-memories-of-frans-vosman-1952-2020/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Frans Vosman</a></p><p><a href="https://vbn.aau.dk/en/persons/123561" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Finn Thorbjørn Hansen</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartmut_Rosa" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hartmut Rosa</a></p><p><a href="https://maryfrancesoconnor.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mary-Frances O'Connor</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irvin_D._Yalom" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Irvin Yalom</a></p><p>For a transcript of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/spiritual-care-with-carlo-leget" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/spiritual-care-with-carlo-leget]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">2ac74669-d499-48c6-a48c-2a51638a31ab</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/71f20683-7247-4da8-ba3b-99c848ae38dc/9cVeBkEV3XMwllnyp_SaNk6w.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2024 08:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/dfa26027-a203-4b3a-83f1-0033ae3a2846/Careful-Thinking-Carlo-Leget.mp3" length="57192576" 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What does it mean to say that empathy is anchored in the body? And what are the implications for the practice of care and for care ethics?</p><p>These are some of the questions we discuss in this episode, with <a href="https://christineleroyplume.wordpress.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Christine Leroy</a>. Christine is a researcher at the University of Paris 1 Panthéon-Sorbonne, working at the intersection of philosophy, dance, and care ethics. She also directs a dance theatre company and leads contact dance improvisation workshops in clinical settings. Christine is the author of <em>Phénoménologie de la danse: De la chair à l'éthique, </em>published in 2021, which develops original and intriguing connections between the experience of dance and the practice of care. She is also the author of <em>La phénoménologie,</em> published in 2018,<em> </em>a useful introduction to some key phenomenological thinkers, and of <em>Le corps</em>, from 2022. With Chiara Palermo, Christine edited the collection <em>Pesanteur et portance: Une éthique de la gravité,</em> also published in 2022.<strong> </strong>Although most of Christine’s writings have yet to be translated from French, she is the author of a forthcoming article in English, ‘Performance and bodily anchoring of care: dance’s power to care’, which will be published later this year.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Christine's training in dance and philosophy (03:03)</p><p>The influence of Maurice Merleau-Ponty and other phenomenological thinkers on Christine's work (05:40)</p><p><em>Phénoménologie de la danse </em>(09:10)</p><p>Dance as an ethical activity and the bodily anchoring of care (11:26)</p><p>'Kinaesthetic empathy' (15:15)</p><p>Kinaesthetic empathy in the dance works of Angelin Preljocaj (21:40)</p><p>The influence of Donald Winnicott on Christine's thinking (24:01)</p><p>Dance, care and self-care (27:18)</p><p>Dance, empathy and disability (28:27)</p><p>The concept of <em>portance</em> (33:50)</p><p>Translating 'care' (37:25)</p><p>Christine's work with 'Clown Up' (41:05)</p><p>Working with dance in clinical settings (46:05)</p><p>Plans for future research (48:45)</p><p><strong>Links to a selection of Christine's publications</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.editions-hermann.fr/livre/phenomenologie-de-la-danse-christine-leroy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Phénoménologie de la danse: De la chair à l'éthique</em></a></p><p><a href="https://www.editions-ellipses.fr/accueil/6479-la-phenomenologie-9782340024465.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>La phénoménologie</em></a></p><p><a href="https://www.atlande.eu/philosophie/929-le-corps-9782350308487.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Le corps</em></a></p><p><a href="https://www.editions-hermann.fr/livre/pesanteur-et-portance-christine-leroy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Pesanteur et portance: Une éthique de la gravité</em></a></p><p><strong>Other publications, artworks and organisations mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.biolinguagem.com/ling_cog_cult/merleauponty_1964_eyeandmind.pdf" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Merleau-Ponty, 'Eye and Mind'</a></p><p><a href="https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300222685/empathy/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Susan Lanzoni, <em>Empathy: A History</em></a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emile,_or_On_Education" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jean-Jacques Rousseau, <em>Émile, ou De l’éducation</em></a></p><p><a href="https://ultimavez.com/productions/blush" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Wim Vandekeybus<em>, Blush</em></a></p><p><a href="https://preljocaj.org/en/creation/le-parc/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Angelin Preljocaj, <em>Le Parc </em></a></p><p><a href="https://preljocaj.org/en/creation/gravity/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Angelin Preljocaj<em>, Gravity</em></a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cost_of_Living_(2004_film)" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Lloyd Newson/DV8,<em> The Cost of Living</em></a></p><p><a href="https://www.clownup.fr/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Clown Up'</a></p><p><strong>Some of the writers, thinkers and artists discussed in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Merleau-Ponty" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Merleau-Ponty</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaud_Barbaras" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Renaud Barbaras</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Pato%C4%8Dka" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jan Patočka&nbsp;</a></p><p><a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_de_Saint_Aubert" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Emmanuel de Saint Aubert</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloys_Fischer" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Aloys Fischer</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Lipps" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Theodor Lipps</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_B._Titchener" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Edward B. Titchener</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edith_Stein" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Edith Stein</a></p><p><a href="https://www.mhamington.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Hamington</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wim_Vandekeybus" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Wim Vanderkeybus</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vittorio_Gallese" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vittorio Gallese</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Winnicott" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Donald Winnicott</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Toole" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">David Toole</a></p><p><a href="https://magalisaby.wixsite.com/magali-le-naour-saby" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Magali Saby</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandra_Laugier" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sandra Laugier</a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Patricia-Paperman" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Patricia Paperman</a></p><p><a href="https://fr.linkedin.com/in/cecile-de-verneuil-747bb812" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Cecile De Verneuil</a></p><p>For a transcript of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/dance-empathy-and-care-with-christine" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link </a>to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the connection between dance and care, and in what sense can dance be described as an ethical activity? What does it mean to say that empathy is anchored in the body? And what are the implications for the practice of care and for care ethics?</p><p>These are some of the questions we discuss in this episode, with <a href="https://christineleroyplume.wordpress.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Christine Leroy</a>. Christine is a researcher at the University of Paris 1 Panthéon-Sorbonne, working at the intersection of philosophy, dance, and care ethics. She also directs a dance theatre company and leads contact dance improvisation workshops in clinical settings. Christine is the author of <em>Phénoménologie de la danse: De la chair à l'éthique, </em>published in 2021, which develops original and intriguing connections between the experience of dance and the practice of care. She is also the author of <em>La phénoménologie,</em> published in 2018,<em> </em>a useful introduction to some key phenomenological thinkers, and of <em>Le corps</em>, from 2022. With Chiara Palermo, Christine edited the collection <em>Pesanteur et portance: Une éthique de la gravité,</em> also published in 2022.<strong> </strong>Although most of Christine’s writings have yet to be translated from French, she is the author of a forthcoming article in English, ‘Performance and bodily anchoring of care: dance’s power to care’, which will be published later this year.</p><p><strong>We discuss the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Christine's training in dance and philosophy (03:03)</p><p>The influence of Maurice Merleau-Ponty and other phenomenological thinkers on Christine's work (05:40)</p><p><em>Phénoménologie de la danse </em>(09:10)</p><p>Dance as an ethical activity and the bodily anchoring of care (11:26)</p><p>'Kinaesthetic empathy' (15:15)</p><p>Kinaesthetic empathy in the dance works of Angelin Preljocaj (21:40)</p><p>The influence of Donald Winnicott on Christine's thinking (24:01)</p><p>Dance, care and self-care (27:18)</p><p>Dance, empathy and disability (28:27)</p><p>The concept of <em>portance</em> (33:50)</p><p>Translating 'care' (37:25)</p><p>Christine's work with 'Clown Up' (41:05)</p><p>Working with dance in clinical settings (46:05)</p><p>Plans for future research (48:45)</p><p><strong>Links to a selection of Christine's publications</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.editions-hermann.fr/livre/phenomenologie-de-la-danse-christine-leroy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Phénoménologie de la danse: De la chair à l'éthique</em></a></p><p><a href="https://www.editions-ellipses.fr/accueil/6479-la-phenomenologie-9782340024465.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>La phénoménologie</em></a></p><p><a href="https://www.atlande.eu/philosophie/929-le-corps-9782350308487.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Le corps</em></a></p><p><a href="https://www.editions-hermann.fr/livre/pesanteur-et-portance-christine-leroy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Pesanteur et portance: Une éthique de la gravité</em></a></p><p><strong>Other publications, artworks and organisations mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.biolinguagem.com/ling_cog_cult/merleauponty_1964_eyeandmind.pdf" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Merleau-Ponty, 'Eye and Mind'</a></p><p><a href="https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300222685/empathy/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Susan Lanzoni, <em>Empathy: A History</em></a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emile,_or_On_Education" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jean-Jacques Rousseau, <em>Émile, ou De l’éducation</em></a></p><p><a href="https://ultimavez.com/productions/blush" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Wim Vandekeybus<em>, Blush</em></a></p><p><a href="https://preljocaj.org/en/creation/le-parc/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Angelin Preljocaj, <em>Le Parc </em></a></p><p><a href="https://preljocaj.org/en/creation/gravity/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Angelin Preljocaj<em>, Gravity</em></a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cost_of_Living_(2004_film)" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Lloyd Newson/DV8,<em> The Cost of Living</em></a></p><p><a href="https://www.clownup.fr/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'Clown Up'</a></p><p><strong>Some of the writers, thinkers and artists discussed in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Merleau-Ponty" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Merleau-Ponty</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaud_Barbaras" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Renaud Barbaras</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Pato%C4%8Dka" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jan Patočka&nbsp;</a></p><p><a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_de_Saint_Aubert" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Emmanuel de Saint Aubert</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloys_Fischer" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Aloys Fischer</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Lipps" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Theodor Lipps</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_B._Titchener" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Edward B. Titchener</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edith_Stein" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Edith Stein</a></p><p><a href="https://www.mhamington.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Hamington</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wim_Vandekeybus" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Wim Vanderkeybus</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vittorio_Gallese" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vittorio Gallese</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Winnicott" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Donald Winnicott</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Toole" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">David Toole</a></p><p><a href="https://magalisaby.wixsite.com/magali-le-naour-saby" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Magali Saby</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandra_Laugier" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sandra Laugier</a></p><p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Patricia-Paperman" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Patricia Paperman</a></p><p><a href="https://fr.linkedin.com/in/cecile-de-verneuil-747bb812" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Cecile De Verneuil</a></p><p>For a transcript of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/dance-empathy-and-care-with-christine" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link </a>to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/dance-empathy-and-care-with-christine-leroy]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">affc4b4a-51a2-488e-8771-1e55cacd239a</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/c6cac0eb-8b53-4fe7-87ea-1ab3d023727c/RzoffNZnn-SeMaP5tdhCmC-_.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2024 08:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/e2876ad9-4190-448e-bcae-618abcb48e24/Careful-Thinking-Christine-Leroy.mp3" length="49866880" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>51:57</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>7</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>7</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Revolutionary care - with Maurice Hamington</title><itunes:title>Revolutionary care - with Maurice Hamington</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>What roles do the body and the imagination play in care? What is the relationship between care ethics and political activism? And how might a commitment to care be personally and socially transformative?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode with <a href="https://www.mhamington.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Hamington,</a> one of the world's leading authorities on care ethics and care theory. Maurice is Professor of Philosophy, and Affiliate Faculty in Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies, at Portland State University in Oregon in the United States. He is the author or editor of 16 books, including the ground-breaking <em>Embodied Care: Jane Addams, Maurice Merleau-Ponty and Feminist Care Ethics </em>(2004), <em>Care Ethics and Political Theo</em>ry, co-edited with Daniel Engster (2015), and <em>Care Ethics and Poetry, </em>co-written with Ce Rosenow (2019). Maurice’s most recent book, <em>Revolutionary Care: Commitment and Ethos</em>, was published in March 2024.</p><p><strong>We cover the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Maurice's journey to care ethics (02:45)</p><p>Maurice's encounter with feminism (06:07)</p><p>Care, embodiment and the philosophy of Maurice Merleau-Ponty (08:25)</p><p>Care as 'habit' and the development of caring masculinities (11:30)</p><p>Jane Addams and social habits of care (18:18)</p><p>Care, imagination and poetry (23:13)</p><p>Care ethics and politics (29:12)</p><p>Care ethics and religion (32:52)</p><p>'Revolutionary Care' (37:29)</p><p>The transformative potential of care (44:35)</p><p>Non-western traditions and practices of care (49:43)</p><p>Creating a caring economy (52:53)</p><p>Care, animals and posthumanism (56:38)</p><p>The 'care movement' and progressive politics (59:35)</p><p>Maurice's current work and forthcoming publications (01:04:18)</p><p><strong>Links to a selection of Maurice's publications</strong></p><p><a href="https://iupress.org/9780253214812/revealing-male-bodies/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Revealing Male Bodies</em></a></p><p><a href="https://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/?id=c029288" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Embodied Care: Jane Addams, Maurice Merleau-Ponty and Feminist Care Ethics</em></a></p><p><a href="https://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/?id=c029288" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Care Ethics and Political Theory</em></a></p><p><a href="https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-030-17978-6" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Care Ethics and Poetry</em></a></p><p><a href="https://www.peeters-leuven.be/detail.php?search_key=9789042946545&amp;series_number_str=13&amp;lang=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Care Ethics, Religion, and Spiritual Traditions</em></a></p><p><a href="https://www.routledge.com/Revolutionary-Care-Commitment-and-Ethos/Hamington/p/book/9781032437316?_ga=257900778.1710374400" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Revolutionary Care: Commitment and Ethos</em></a></p><p><strong>Some of the writers and thinkers mentioned in this episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Gilligan" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Carol Gilligan</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nel_Noddings" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nell Noddings</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_hooks" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bell hooks</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Tuana" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nancy Tuana</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Johnson_(philosopher)" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mark Johnson</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Merleau-Ponty" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Merleau-Ponty</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Addams" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jane Addams</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a></p><p><a href="https://philpeople.org/profiles/seisuke-hayakawa" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Seisuke Hayakawa</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Slote" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Michael Slote</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Foucault" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Michel Foucault</a></p><p><a href="https://uh.edu/hobby/about/faculty/daniel-engster/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Daniel Engster</a></p><p><a href="https://nd-au.academia.edu/StevenSteyl" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Steven Steyl</a></p><p>For a <strong>transcript</strong> of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/revolutionary-care-with-maurice-hamington" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>this link</strong></a> to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What roles do the body and the imagination play in care? What is the relationship between care ethics and political activism? And how might a commitment to care be personally and socially transformative?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode with <a href="https://www.mhamington.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Hamington,</a> one of the world's leading authorities on care ethics and care theory. Maurice is Professor of Philosophy, and Affiliate Faculty in Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies, at Portland State University in Oregon in the United States. He is the author or editor of 16 books, including the ground-breaking <em>Embodied Care: Jane Addams, Maurice Merleau-Ponty and Feminist Care Ethics </em>(2004), <em>Care Ethics and Political Theo</em>ry, co-edited with Daniel Engster (2015), and <em>Care Ethics and Poetry, </em>co-written with Ce Rosenow (2019). Maurice’s most recent book, <em>Revolutionary Care: Commitment and Ethos</em>, was published in March 2024.</p><p><strong>We cover the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Maurice's journey to care ethics (02:45)</p><p>Maurice's encounter with feminism (06:07)</p><p>Care, embodiment and the philosophy of Maurice Merleau-Ponty (08:25)</p><p>Care as 'habit' and the development of caring masculinities (11:30)</p><p>Jane Addams and social habits of care (18:18)</p><p>Care, imagination and poetry (23:13)</p><p>Care ethics and politics (29:12)</p><p>Care ethics and religion (32:52)</p><p>'Revolutionary Care' (37:29)</p><p>The transformative potential of care (44:35)</p><p>Non-western traditions and practices of care (49:43)</p><p>Creating a caring economy (52:53)</p><p>Care, animals and posthumanism (56:38)</p><p>The 'care movement' and progressive politics (59:35)</p><p>Maurice's current work and forthcoming publications (01:04:18)</p><p><strong>Links to a selection of Maurice's publications</strong></p><p><a href="https://iupress.org/9780253214812/revealing-male-bodies/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Revealing Male Bodies</em></a></p><p><a href="https://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/?id=c029288" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Embodied Care: Jane Addams, Maurice Merleau-Ponty and Feminist Care Ethics</em></a></p><p><a href="https://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/?id=c029288" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Care Ethics and Political Theory</em></a></p><p><a href="https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-030-17978-6" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Care Ethics and Poetry</em></a></p><p><a href="https://www.peeters-leuven.be/detail.php?search_key=9789042946545&amp;series_number_str=13&amp;lang=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Care Ethics, Religion, and Spiritual Traditions</em></a></p><p><a href="https://www.routledge.com/Revolutionary-Care-Commitment-and-Ethos/Hamington/p/book/9781032437316?_ga=257900778.1710374400" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Revolutionary Care: Commitment and Ethos</em></a></p><p><strong>Some of the writers and thinkers mentioned in this episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Gilligan" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Carol Gilligan</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nel_Noddings" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nell Noddings</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_hooks" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bell hooks</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Tuana" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nancy Tuana</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Johnson_(philosopher)" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mark Johnson</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Merleau-Ponty" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Merleau-Ponty</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Addams" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jane Addams</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a></p><p><a href="https://philpeople.org/profiles/seisuke-hayakawa" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Seisuke Hayakawa</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Slote" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Michael Slote</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Foucault" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Michel Foucault</a></p><p><a href="https://uh.edu/hobby/about/faculty/daniel-engster/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Daniel Engster</a></p><p><a href="https://nd-au.academia.edu/StevenSteyl" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Steven Steyl</a></p><p>For a <strong>transcript</strong> of this episode, follow <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/p/revolutionary-care-with-maurice-hamington" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>this link</strong></a> to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/revolutionary-care-with-maurice-hamington]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">4a7452fa-6040-4f8e-804d-752fd3375a74</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/1c06db9e-434b-42eb-b305-39512b41ad52/KeR7aZ_wbITh-FnkK1Ze5MX2.png"/><pubDate>Sun, 07 Apr 2024 09:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/07999930-0558-40f4-89a2-d5031cadb23a/Careful-Thinking-Maurice-Hamington-2.mp3" length="64974976" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:07:41</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>6</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>6</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Feminism, faith and healthcare ethics - with Ruth Groenhout</title><itunes:title>Feminism, faith and healthcare ethics - with Ruth Groenhout</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>What are some of the connections - and tensions - between feminism, religious faith and healthcare ethics? In what ways does a feminist ethic of care offer an alternative to the dominant tradition in Western philosophy? And what can care ethics contribute to some of the difficult debates in contemporary healthcare, for example around new reproductive technologies and assisted dying? </p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://pages.charlotte.edu/rberndgr/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ruth Groenhout</a>, a Distinguished Professor of Health Ethics in the Department of Philosophy at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte. Ruth's research in healthcare ethics has focussed on issues of gender, health systems and organisations, and health policy. She has published widely on care ethics, bioethics, feminism and faith, and her many books include <em>Connected Lives: Human Nature and an Ethics of Care </em>(2004), <em>Bioethics: a Reformed Look at Life and Death Choice </em>(2009) and <em>Care Ethics and Social Structures in Medicine </em>(2019).</p><p><strong>We cover the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>The origins of Ruth's interest in healthcare ethics (02:14)</p><p>Feminism and faith as key influences on Ruth's thinking about care (05:20)</p><p><em>Connected Lives </em>(06:20)</p><p>Care ethics as an alternative philosophical perspective on what makes us human (07:30)</p><p>Feminist care ethicists who have shaped Ruth's thinking (09:49)</p><p>St. Augustine, Emmanuel Levinas and care theory (12:35)</p><p>Human flourishing as an ethical ideal for care (21:55)</p><p>Contemporary dilemmas in health care (25:25)</p><p>The limitations of evidence-based practice (31:15)</p><p>The ethics of healthcare economics (33:15)</p><p>End-of-life care (35:45)</p><p>Patient power (39:30)</p><p>Forgiveness and care (42:33)</p><p>Ruth's current work and forthcoming publications (46:15)</p><p><strong>Links to a selection of Ruth's publications</strong></p><p><a href="https://iupress.org/9780253215611/philosophy-feminism-and-faith/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Philosophy, Feminism and Faith</em></a></p><p><a href="https://rowman.com/ISBN/9780742514966/Connected-Lives-Human-Nature-and-an-Ethics-of-Care" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Connected Lives: Human Nature and an Ethics of Care</em></a></p><p><a href="https://www.faithaliveresources.org/Products/150660/bioethics.aspx" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Bioethics: a Reformed Look at Life and Death Choices</em></a></p><p><a href="https://www.routledge.com/Care-Ethics-and-Social-Structures-in-Medicine/Groenhout/p/book/9781032094410" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Care Ethics and Social Structures in Medicine</em></a></p><p>'Care Ethics and Forgiveness: Lessons and Errors from the Christian Tradition' in <a href="https://www.peeters-leuven.be/pdf/9789042946552.pdf" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Care Ethics, Religion and Spiritual Traditions</em></a></p><p>(links to Ruth's forthcoming publications will be added soon)</p><p><strong>Some of the writers and thinkers mentioned in this episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nel_Noddings" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nell Noddings</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Kittay" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eva Feder Kittay</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Held" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Virginia Held</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Ruddick" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sara Ruddick</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Buber" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Martin Buber</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">St. Augustine</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Levinas" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Emmanuel Levinas</a></p><p>You can download a transcript of this episode by following <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/publish/post/142882387" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are some of the connections - and tensions - between feminism, religious faith and healthcare ethics? In what ways does a feminist ethic of care offer an alternative to the dominant tradition in Western philosophy? And what can care ethics contribute to some of the difficult debates in contemporary healthcare, for example around new reproductive technologies and assisted dying? </p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://pages.charlotte.edu/rberndgr/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ruth Groenhout</a>, a Distinguished Professor of Health Ethics in the Department of Philosophy at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte. Ruth's research in healthcare ethics has focussed on issues of gender, health systems and organisations, and health policy. She has published widely on care ethics, bioethics, feminism and faith, and her many books include <em>Connected Lives: Human Nature and an Ethics of Care </em>(2004), <em>Bioethics: a Reformed Look at Life and Death Choice </em>(2009) and <em>Care Ethics and Social Structures in Medicine </em>(2019).</p><p><strong>We cover the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>The origins of Ruth's interest in healthcare ethics (02:14)</p><p>Feminism and faith as key influences on Ruth's thinking about care (05:20)</p><p><em>Connected Lives </em>(06:20)</p><p>Care ethics as an alternative philosophical perspective on what makes us human (07:30)</p><p>Feminist care ethicists who have shaped Ruth's thinking (09:49)</p><p>St. Augustine, Emmanuel Levinas and care theory (12:35)</p><p>Human flourishing as an ethical ideal for care (21:55)</p><p>Contemporary dilemmas in health care (25:25)</p><p>The limitations of evidence-based practice (31:15)</p><p>The ethics of healthcare economics (33:15)</p><p>End-of-life care (35:45)</p><p>Patient power (39:30)</p><p>Forgiveness and care (42:33)</p><p>Ruth's current work and forthcoming publications (46:15)</p><p><strong>Links to a selection of Ruth's publications</strong></p><p><a href="https://iupress.org/9780253215611/philosophy-feminism-and-faith/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Philosophy, Feminism and Faith</em></a></p><p><a href="https://rowman.com/ISBN/9780742514966/Connected-Lives-Human-Nature-and-an-Ethics-of-Care" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Connected Lives: Human Nature and an Ethics of Care</em></a></p><p><a href="https://www.faithaliveresources.org/Products/150660/bioethics.aspx" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Bioethics: a Reformed Look at Life and Death Choices</em></a></p><p><a href="https://www.routledge.com/Care-Ethics-and-Social-Structures-in-Medicine/Groenhout/p/book/9781032094410" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Care Ethics and Social Structures in Medicine</em></a></p><p>'Care Ethics and Forgiveness: Lessons and Errors from the Christian Tradition' in <a href="https://www.peeters-leuven.be/pdf/9789042946552.pdf" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Care Ethics, Religion and Spiritual Traditions</em></a></p><p>(links to Ruth's forthcoming publications will be added soon)</p><p><strong>Some of the writers and thinkers mentioned in this episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nel_Noddings" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Nell Noddings</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Kittay" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eva Feder Kittay</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Held" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Virginia Held</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Ruddick" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sara Ruddick</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Buber" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Martin Buber</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">St. Augustine</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Levinas" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Emmanuel Levinas</a></p><p>You can download a transcript of this episode by following <a href="https://carefulthinking.substack.com/publish/post/142882387" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">this link</a> to the Careful Thinking Substack.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/feminism-faith-and-healthcare-ethics-with-ruth-groenhout]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">449ebd6a-02ce-46d4-bc9c-e76bea10e3bd</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/b4f22c66-32f7-4fca-b4db-731a7681739f/vPSjJxlR_m-5AKboG7GeoJ2d.png"/><pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2024 00:30:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/176f3889-80cf-468a-8091-0ca26a9fac38/Careful-Thinking-Ruth-Groenhout.mp3" length="49483242" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>51:33</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>5</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>5</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Care ethics, phenomenology, politics and play - with Petr Urban</title><itunes:title>Care ethics, phenomenology, politics and play - with Petr Urban</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>What is ‘care ethics’ and what are some of the current themes and debates in the ethics of care? How are care, art, play – and democracy - connected? And what can the work of phenomenological thinkers, such as Edith Stein, contribute to an understanding of care?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://cas-cz.academia.edu/PetrUrban" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Petr Urban</a>, a senior researcher at the <a href="https://www.flu.cas.cz/en/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Institute of Philosophy</a> of the Czech Academy of Sciences in Prague and project coordinator of the <a href="https://cetep.eu/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Center for Environmental and Technology Ethics - Prague</a>. Petr has published books and journal articles on a wide range of topics. His work on care has included explorations of the political dimensions of care, the connections between care ethics and theories of play, and the relevance of the philosophical ideas of Edith Stein for feminist care ethics. He is the co-editor with Lizzie Ward of <a href="https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-030-41437-5" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Care Ethics, Democratic Citizenship and the State</em></a>, which was published by Palgrave Macmillan in 2020. His most recent book, co-written with Dan Swain, is <a href="https://rowman.com/ISBN/9781538176627/Social-Cohesion-Contested" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Social Cohesion Contested</em></a>, which was published by Rowman and Littlefield in January this year. </p><p><strong>We cover the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Petr's current work (02:50)</p><p>The origins of Petr's interest in care ethics (04:40)</p><p>Defining 'care ethics' (10:15)</p><p>Writers on care ethics who have influenced Petr's thinking (17:55)</p><p>Care ethics and 'enactivism' (20:50)</p><p>Care ethics and play (27:15)</p><p>Play, art and democracy (35:50)</p><p>Care and institutions (39:20)</p><p>Edith Stein and care ethics (45:50)</p><p>Petr's forthcoming publications (58:44)</p><p><strong>A selection of Petr’s publications</strong></p><p>'Care Ethics and Public Administration', in <em>The Bloomsbury Handbook of Care Ethics</em>, edited by Matilda Carter (forthcoming, 2024)</p><p>‘<a href="https://www.mdpi.com/2409-9287/7/3/60" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Care Ethics and the Feminist Personalism of Edith Stein</a>’ (2022)</p><p><a href="https://www.routledge.com/Play-and-Democracy-Philosophical-Perspectives/Koubova-Urban-Russell-MacLean/p/book/9780367641306" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Play and Democracy: Philosophical Perspectives</em></a> (with Alice Koubová and others, 2022)</p><p>‘<a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/17496535.2015.1022356" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Enacting Care</a>’ (2015)</p><p><strong>Other publications mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p>Maurice Hamington, <a href="https://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/?id=c029288" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Embodied Care: Jane Addams, Maurice Merleau-Ponty, and Feminist Ethics</em></a><em> </em>(2004)</p><p>Virginia Held, <a href="https://TheEthicsofCare:Personal,Political,Global" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Ethics of Care</em>: <em>Personal, Political, Global</em></a><em> </em>(2006)</p><p>Joan Tronto, <a href="https://nyupress.org/9780814782781/caring-democracy/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Caring Democracy: Markets, Equality and Justice</em></a><em> </em>(2013)</p><p>Carol Gilligan, <a href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674970960" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>In a Different Voice: Psychological Theory and Women’s Development</em></a> (1982)</p><p>Sara Ruddick, ‘<a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/3177749?origin=crossref" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maternal Thinking’</a> (1980)</p><p>Daniel Engster, <a href="https://global.oup.com/academic/product/justice-care-and-the-welfare-state-9780198719564?cc=gb&amp;lang=en&amp;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Justice, Care and the Welfare State</em></a> (2015)</p><p>Sophie Bourgault, ‘<a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1350506816643730" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Prolegomena to a caring bureaucracy</a>’ (2016)</p><p>Geoffrey Dierckxsens (ed.) ‘<a href="https://link.springer.com/journal/11245/volumes-and-issues/41-2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ethical Dimensions of Enactive Cognition—Perspectives on Enactivism, Bioethics and Applied Ethics</a>’ (Special Issue of <em>Topoi: An International Review of Philosophy</em>, 2022)<strong>&nbsp;</strong></p><p>Wendy Hollway, <a href="https://www.routledge.com/The-Capacity-to-Care-Gender-and-Ethical-Subjectivity/Hollway/p/book/9780415399685" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Capacity to Care: Gender and Ethical Subjectivity</em></a><em> </em>(2006)</p><p>Martha Nussbaum, ‘<a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/25091097" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Winnicott on the Surprises of the Self</a>’ (2006)</p><p>Nel Noddings, <a href="https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520275706/caring" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Caring: A Relational Approach to Ethics and Moral Education</em></a> (2013)</p><p>Sara Heinämaa, <a href="https://rowman.com/ISBN/9780847697854/Toward-a-Phenomenology-of-Sexual-Difference-Husserl-Merleau-Ponty-Beauvoir" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Towards a Phenomenology of Sexual Difference: Husserl, Merleau-Ponty, Beauvoir</em></a> (2003)</p><p>Inge van Nistelrooij and others (eds.) <a href="https://www.peeters-leuven.be/detail.php?search_key=9789042946545&amp;series_number_str=13&amp;lang=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Care Ethics, Religion and Spiritual Traditions </em></a>&nbsp;(2022)</p><p><strong>Some of the writers and thinkers discussed in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Husserl" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Edmund Husserl</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edith_Stein" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Edith Stein</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Merleau-Ponty" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Merleau-Ponty</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Winnicott" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Donald Winnicott</a></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is ‘care ethics’ and what are some of the current themes and debates in the ethics of care? How are care, art, play – and democracy - connected? And what can the work of phenomenological thinkers, such as Edith Stein, contribute to an understanding of care?</p><p>These are some of the questions we explore in this episode, with <a href="https://cas-cz.academia.edu/PetrUrban" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Petr Urban</a>, a senior researcher at the <a href="https://www.flu.cas.cz/en/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Institute of Philosophy</a> of the Czech Academy of Sciences in Prague and project coordinator of the <a href="https://cetep.eu/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Center for Environmental and Technology Ethics - Prague</a>. Petr has published books and journal articles on a wide range of topics. His work on care has included explorations of the political dimensions of care, the connections between care ethics and theories of play, and the relevance of the philosophical ideas of Edith Stein for feminist care ethics. He is the co-editor with Lizzie Ward of <a href="https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-030-41437-5" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Care Ethics, Democratic Citizenship and the State</em></a>, which was published by Palgrave Macmillan in 2020. His most recent book, co-written with Dan Swain, is <a href="https://rowman.com/ISBN/9781538176627/Social-Cohesion-Contested" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Social Cohesion Contested</em></a>, which was published by Rowman and Littlefield in January this year. </p><p><strong>We cover the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Petr's current work (02:50)</p><p>The origins of Petr's interest in care ethics (04:40)</p><p>Defining 'care ethics' (10:15)</p><p>Writers on care ethics who have influenced Petr's thinking (17:55)</p><p>Care ethics and 'enactivism' (20:50)</p><p>Care ethics and play (27:15)</p><p>Play, art and democracy (35:50)</p><p>Care and institutions (39:20)</p><p>Edith Stein and care ethics (45:50)</p><p>Petr's forthcoming publications (58:44)</p><p><strong>A selection of Petr’s publications</strong></p><p>'Care Ethics and Public Administration', in <em>The Bloomsbury Handbook of Care Ethics</em>, edited by Matilda Carter (forthcoming, 2024)</p><p>‘<a href="https://www.mdpi.com/2409-9287/7/3/60" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Care Ethics and the Feminist Personalism of Edith Stein</a>’ (2022)</p><p><a href="https://www.routledge.com/Play-and-Democracy-Philosophical-Perspectives/Koubova-Urban-Russell-MacLean/p/book/9780367641306" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Play and Democracy: Philosophical Perspectives</em></a> (with Alice Koubová and others, 2022)</p><p>‘<a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/17496535.2015.1022356" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Enacting Care</a>’ (2015)</p><p><strong>Other publications mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p>Maurice Hamington, <a href="https://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/?id=c029288" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Embodied Care: Jane Addams, Maurice Merleau-Ponty, and Feminist Ethics</em></a><em> </em>(2004)</p><p>Virginia Held, <a href="https://TheEthicsofCare:Personal,Political,Global" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Ethics of Care</em>: <em>Personal, Political, Global</em></a><em> </em>(2006)</p><p>Joan Tronto, <a href="https://nyupress.org/9780814782781/caring-democracy/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Caring Democracy: Markets, Equality and Justice</em></a><em> </em>(2013)</p><p>Carol Gilligan, <a href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674970960" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>In a Different Voice: Psychological Theory and Women’s Development</em></a> (1982)</p><p>Sara Ruddick, ‘<a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/3177749?origin=crossref" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maternal Thinking’</a> (1980)</p><p>Daniel Engster, <a href="https://global.oup.com/academic/product/justice-care-and-the-welfare-state-9780198719564?cc=gb&amp;lang=en&amp;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Justice, Care and the Welfare State</em></a> (2015)</p><p>Sophie Bourgault, ‘<a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1350506816643730" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Prolegomena to a caring bureaucracy</a>’ (2016)</p><p>Geoffrey Dierckxsens (ed.) ‘<a href="https://link.springer.com/journal/11245/volumes-and-issues/41-2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ethical Dimensions of Enactive Cognition—Perspectives on Enactivism, Bioethics and Applied Ethics</a>’ (Special Issue of <em>Topoi: An International Review of Philosophy</em>, 2022)<strong>&nbsp;</strong></p><p>Wendy Hollway, <a href="https://www.routledge.com/The-Capacity-to-Care-Gender-and-Ethical-Subjectivity/Hollway/p/book/9780415399685" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Capacity to Care: Gender and Ethical Subjectivity</em></a><em> </em>(2006)</p><p>Martha Nussbaum, ‘<a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/25091097" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Winnicott on the Surprises of the Self</a>’ (2006)</p><p>Nel Noddings, <a href="https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520275706/caring" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Caring: A Relational Approach to Ethics and Moral Education</em></a> (2013)</p><p>Sara Heinämaa, <a href="https://rowman.com/ISBN/9780847697854/Toward-a-Phenomenology-of-Sexual-Difference-Husserl-Merleau-Ponty-Beauvoir" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Towards a Phenomenology of Sexual Difference: Husserl, Merleau-Ponty, Beauvoir</em></a> (2003)</p><p>Inge van Nistelrooij and others (eds.) <a href="https://www.peeters-leuven.be/detail.php?search_key=9789042946545&amp;series_number_str=13&amp;lang=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Care Ethics, Religion and Spiritual Traditions </em></a>&nbsp;(2022)</p><p><strong>Some of the writers and thinkers discussed in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Husserl" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Edmund Husserl</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edith_Stein" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Edith Stein</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Merleau-Ponty" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maurice Merleau-Ponty</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Winnicott" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Donald Winnicott</a></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/care-ethics-phenomenology-and-play-with-petr-urban]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">4eabd0d3-f559-4673-9245-fcdef15bf7c4</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/31c59da0-f138-49ff-8f7d-aa78ca5f40c4/sNjhJJ2GUGxR8B1-aZ7sWDP8.png"/><pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2024 09:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/41ca4a62-cf0a-494d-9928-aa83f04168a7/Careful-Thinking-Petr-Urban-2.mp3" length="61913216" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:04:29</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>4</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>4</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Care and cosmopolitanism - with Nigel Rapport</title><itunes:title>Care and cosmopolitanism - with Nigel Rapport</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>How can we care for others while respecting their individuality? What is meant by a cosmopolitan ethos and how might it motivate care? And can institutions really 'care'? These are some of the questions we explore in this episode with <strong>Nigel Rapport</strong>, Emeritus Professor of Social Anthropology at St Andrews University in Scotland, founding director of the Centre for Cosmopolitan Studies, and the author of <em>Cosmopolitan Love and Individuality: Ethical Engagement beyond Culture</em> (Rowman and Littlefield).</p><p><strong>We cover the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>The trajectory of Nigel’s career as an anthropologist and the origins of his interest in theories of care (02:40)</p><p>The importance of creative writers and artists for Nigel’s anthropological writing (07:55)</p><p>The influence of the philosopher Emmanuel Levinas on Nigel’s thinking (11:40)</p><p>Nigel's ethnographic fieldwork with porters in a Scottish hospital (22:50)</p><p>The notion of the ‘personal preserve’ and the circumstances in which care might require inaction rather than action (30:05)</p><p>'Cosmopolitan politesse’ and its potential for transforming personal relationships and public policy (35:35)</p><p>How 'categorical thinking' and identity politics distort human individuality (41:00)</p><p>A response to criticism that a cosmopolitan ethos might be insufficient to motivate care (47:00)</p><p>The caring institution (55:00)</p><p>A personal coda on Jewish identity and Nigel’s forthcoming book on Israel and Zionism (01:00:13)</p><p><a href="https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/social-anthropology/people/njr2/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Link to Nigel’s academic profile</strong></a></p><p><a href="https://ccs.wp.st-andrews.ac.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>The University of St Andrews Centre for Cosmopolitan Studies</strong></a></p><p><strong>A selection of Nigel’s publications</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.plutobooks.com/9781783715282/the-trouble-with-community/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Trouble with Community: Anthropological Reflections on Movement, Identity and Collectivity</em></a> (with Vered Amit) (2002)</p><p><a href="https://cap-press.com/books/isbn/9781594605321/Of-Orderlies-and-Men" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Of Orderlies and Men: Hospital Porters Achieving Wellness at Work</em></a>&nbsp;(2008)</p><p><a href="https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/680433" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">‘Anthropology through Levinas: knowing the uniqueness of ego and the mystery of otherness’</a>, <em>Current Anthropology</em> (2015)</p><p><a href="https://rowman.com/ISBN/9781498589031/Cosmopolitan-Love-and-Individuality-Ethical-Engagement-beyond-Culture" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Cosmopolitan Love and Individuality: Ethical Engagement beyond Culture</em> </a>(2018)</p><p><a href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/taja.12290" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">‘The action and inaction of care: care and the personal preserve’</a>, <em>The Australian Journal of Anthropology</em> (2018)</p><p>‘The life-project of personal wellbeing: modern healthcare and the individuality of health’, in Rapport, F. and Braithwaite, J. (eds.) <a href="https://www.routledge.com/Transforming-Healthcare-with-Qualitative-Research/Rapport-Braithwaite/p/book/9780367557751" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Transforming Healthcare with Qualitative Research</em></a> (2021)</p><p><a href="https://www.berghahnbooks.com/title/RapportI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>'I am Here, Abraham said': Emmanuel Levinas and Anthropological Science</em></a><em> </em>(forthcoming, April 2024)</p><p><strong>Other publications mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p>Andrew Dobson, '<a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1467-9248.2006.00571.x" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Thick cosmopolitanism</a>', <em>Political Studies</em> (2006)</p><p>Wendy Hollway, <a href="https://www.routledge.com/The-Capacity-to-Care-Gender-and-Ethical-Subjectivity/Hollway/p/book/9780415399685" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Capacity to Care: Gender and Ethical Subjectivity</em></a> (2007)</p><p>Alan Dershowitz, <a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/Case-Israel-Alan-Dershowitz/dp/0471679526" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Case for Israel</em> </a>(2004)</p><p><strong>Some of the writers and thinkers discussed in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iris_Murdoch" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Iris Murdoch</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Levinas" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Emmanuel Levinas</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simone_Weil" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Simone Weil</a></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can we care for others while respecting their individuality? What is meant by a cosmopolitan ethos and how might it motivate care? And can institutions really 'care'? These are some of the questions we explore in this episode with <strong>Nigel Rapport</strong>, Emeritus Professor of Social Anthropology at St Andrews University in Scotland, founding director of the Centre for Cosmopolitan Studies, and the author of <em>Cosmopolitan Love and Individuality: Ethical Engagement beyond Culture</em> (Rowman and Littlefield).</p><p><strong>We cover the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>The trajectory of Nigel’s career as an anthropologist and the origins of his interest in theories of care (02:40)</p><p>The importance of creative writers and artists for Nigel’s anthropological writing (07:55)</p><p>The influence of the philosopher Emmanuel Levinas on Nigel’s thinking (11:40)</p><p>Nigel's ethnographic fieldwork with porters in a Scottish hospital (22:50)</p><p>The notion of the ‘personal preserve’ and the circumstances in which care might require inaction rather than action (30:05)</p><p>'Cosmopolitan politesse’ and its potential for transforming personal relationships and public policy (35:35)</p><p>How 'categorical thinking' and identity politics distort human individuality (41:00)</p><p>A response to criticism that a cosmopolitan ethos might be insufficient to motivate care (47:00)</p><p>The caring institution (55:00)</p><p>A personal coda on Jewish identity and Nigel’s forthcoming book on Israel and Zionism (01:00:13)</p><p><a href="https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/social-anthropology/people/njr2/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Link to Nigel’s academic profile</strong></a></p><p><a href="https://ccs.wp.st-andrews.ac.uk/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>The University of St Andrews Centre for Cosmopolitan Studies</strong></a></p><p><strong>A selection of Nigel’s publications</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.plutobooks.com/9781783715282/the-trouble-with-community/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Trouble with Community: Anthropological Reflections on Movement, Identity and Collectivity</em></a> (with Vered Amit) (2002)</p><p><a href="https://cap-press.com/books/isbn/9781594605321/Of-Orderlies-and-Men" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Of Orderlies and Men: Hospital Porters Achieving Wellness at Work</em></a>&nbsp;(2008)</p><p><a href="https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/680433" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">‘Anthropology through Levinas: knowing the uniqueness of ego and the mystery of otherness’</a>, <em>Current Anthropology</em> (2015)</p><p><a href="https://rowman.com/ISBN/9781498589031/Cosmopolitan-Love-and-Individuality-Ethical-Engagement-beyond-Culture" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Cosmopolitan Love and Individuality: Ethical Engagement beyond Culture</em> </a>(2018)</p><p><a href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/taja.12290" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">‘The action and inaction of care: care and the personal preserve’</a>, <em>The Australian Journal of Anthropology</em> (2018)</p><p>‘The life-project of personal wellbeing: modern healthcare and the individuality of health’, in Rapport, F. and Braithwaite, J. (eds.) <a href="https://www.routledge.com/Transforming-Healthcare-with-Qualitative-Research/Rapport-Braithwaite/p/book/9780367557751" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Transforming Healthcare with Qualitative Research</em></a> (2021)</p><p><a href="https://www.berghahnbooks.com/title/RapportI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>'I am Here, Abraham said': Emmanuel Levinas and Anthropological Science</em></a><em> </em>(forthcoming, April 2024)</p><p><strong>Other publications mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p>Andrew Dobson, '<a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1467-9248.2006.00571.x" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Thick cosmopolitanism</a>', <em>Political Studies</em> (2006)</p><p>Wendy Hollway, <a href="https://www.routledge.com/The-Capacity-to-Care-Gender-and-Ethical-Subjectivity/Hollway/p/book/9780415399685" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Capacity to Care: Gender and Ethical Subjectivity</em></a> (2007)</p><p>Alan Dershowitz, <a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/Case-Israel-Alan-Dershowitz/dp/0471679526" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Case for Israel</em> </a>(2004)</p><p><strong>Some of the writers and thinkers discussed in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iris_Murdoch" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Iris Murdoch</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Levinas" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Emmanuel Levinas</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Tronto" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Joan Tronto</a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simone_Weil" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Simone Weil</a></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/cosmopolitan-care-with-nigel-rapport]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">5445e9d0-22d1-4f8a-b626-5c4e8b489cbe</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/870df779-b87c-4f90-b4a9-4a4d98fe4d7b/Z8d4CTh4u-1-_Apnei4HKwL6.png"/><pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2024 09:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/6576eea6-ee5e-4a9d-b398-cf5b9d6fd2b1/Careful-Thinking-Nigel-Rapport-1.mp3" length="67407840" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:10:13</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>3</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>3</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Care, conscience and hospitality - with Xavier Symons</title><itunes:title>Care, conscience and hospitality - with Xavier Symons</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>How can a personalist perspective contribute to a better understanding of the experience of people living with dementia? What does it mean to offer  hospitality to those in need of care? And why is it important to respect the conscience, and the right to conscientious objection, of healthcare practitioners? These are some of the questions we explore in this episode with <strong>Xavier Symons</strong>, a postdoctoral fellow at the Human Flourishing Program in the Institute for Quantitative Social Science at Harvard University, and the author of <em>Why Conscience Matters: A Defence of Conscientious Objection in Healthcare</em> (Routledge).</p><p><strong>We cover the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Xavier's current work at Harvard (02:12)</p><p>Xavier's earlier academic work (05:38)</p><p>Personal and family influences on Xavier's academic journey (11:25)</p><p>A personalist perspective on dementia care (15:00)</p><p>'Reciprocating care' (22:40)</p><p>Recovering the notion of hospitality in care work (26:35)</p><p>Hospitality and <em>disponibilité</em> (30:10)</p><p>Hospitality and spiritual care (35:00)</p><p>Why conscience matters in healthcare (37:30)</p><p>The virtuous practitioner (40:55)</p><p>Conscientious objection and end of life care (42:00)</p><p>Other personal and philosophical influences on Xavier's thinking (49:05)</p><p><strong>Links</strong></p><p><a href="https://xaviersymons.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Xavier's website</a></p><p><a href="https://hfh.fas.harvard.edu/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Human Flourishing Program at Harvard</a></p><p><a href="https://www.acu.edu.au/about-acu/institutes-academies-and-centres/plunkett-centre-for-ethics" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Plunkett Centre for Ethics</a></p><p><a href="https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/personalism/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Personalism </a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_social_teaching" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Catholic social teaching</a></p><p><strong>Xavier's publications</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.routledge.com/Why-Conscience-Matters-A-Defence-of-Conscientious-Objection-in-Healthcare/Symons/p/book/9781032162256" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Why Conscience Matters: A Defence of Conscientious Objection in Healthcare</em></a> (2022)</p><p>'<a href="https://churchlifejournal.nd.edu/articles/love-to-the-very-end-a-theology-of-dementia/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Love to the Very End: A Theology of Dementia</a>' (2021)</p><p><a href="https://churchlifejournal.nd.edu/articles/the-hostility-of-illness-and-the-therapeutic-importance-of-hospitality/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'The Hostility of Illness and the Therapeutic Importance of Hospitality'</a> (2023)</p><p><strong>Other publications mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_and_Responsibility" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Karol Wojtyla (John Paul II), <em>Love and Responsibility</em></a></p><p><a href="https://rowman.com/ISBN/9780585455037/The-Subject-of-Care-Feminist-Perspectives-on-Dependency#:~:text=Edited%20by%20Eva%20Feder%20Kittay,Feder&amp;text=In%20The%20Subject%20of%20Care,our%20very%20conceptions%20of%20self." rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eva Feder Kittay and Ellen K Feder,&nbsp;<em>The Subject of Care: Feminist Perspectives on Dependency</em></a></p><p><a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23295638/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Gerd S Sellevold <em>et al</em>., 'Quality care for persons experiencing dementia: the significance of relational ethics'</a></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gabriel-Marcel-Reader/dp/158731326X" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Brendan Sweetman (ed.) <em>A Gabriel Marcel Reader</em></a></p><p><a href="https://undpress.nd.edu/9780268035044/after-virtue/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Alasdair MacIntyre, <em>After Virtue</em></a></p><p><a href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674987722" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">O. Carter Snead, <em>What It Means to Be Human: The Case for the Body in Public Bioethics</em></a></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can a personalist perspective contribute to a better understanding of the experience of people living with dementia? What does it mean to offer  hospitality to those in need of care? And why is it important to respect the conscience, and the right to conscientious objection, of healthcare practitioners? These are some of the questions we explore in this episode with <strong>Xavier Symons</strong>, a postdoctoral fellow at the Human Flourishing Program in the Institute for Quantitative Social Science at Harvard University, and the author of <em>Why Conscience Matters: A Defence of Conscientious Objection in Healthcare</em> (Routledge).</p><p><strong>We cover the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Xavier's current work at Harvard (02:12)</p><p>Xavier's earlier academic work (05:38)</p><p>Personal and family influences on Xavier's academic journey (11:25)</p><p>A personalist perspective on dementia care (15:00)</p><p>'Reciprocating care' (22:40)</p><p>Recovering the notion of hospitality in care work (26:35)</p><p>Hospitality and <em>disponibilité</em> (30:10)</p><p>Hospitality and spiritual care (35:00)</p><p>Why conscience matters in healthcare (37:30)</p><p>The virtuous practitioner (40:55)</p><p>Conscientious objection and end of life care (42:00)</p><p>Other personal and philosophical influences on Xavier's thinking (49:05)</p><p><strong>Links</strong></p><p><a href="https://xaviersymons.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Xavier's website</a></p><p><a href="https://hfh.fas.harvard.edu/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Human Flourishing Program at Harvard</a></p><p><a href="https://www.acu.edu.au/about-acu/institutes-academies-and-centres/plunkett-centre-for-ethics" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Plunkett Centre for Ethics</a></p><p><a href="https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/personalism/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Personalism </a></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_social_teaching" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Catholic social teaching</a></p><p><strong>Xavier's publications</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.routledge.com/Why-Conscience-Matters-A-Defence-of-Conscientious-Objection-in-Healthcare/Symons/p/book/9781032162256" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Why Conscience Matters: A Defence of Conscientious Objection in Healthcare</em></a> (2022)</p><p>'<a href="https://churchlifejournal.nd.edu/articles/love-to-the-very-end-a-theology-of-dementia/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Love to the Very End: A Theology of Dementia</a>' (2021)</p><p><a href="https://churchlifejournal.nd.edu/articles/the-hostility-of-illness-and-the-therapeutic-importance-of-hospitality/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">'The Hostility of Illness and the Therapeutic Importance of Hospitality'</a> (2023)</p><p><strong>Other publications mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_and_Responsibility" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Karol Wojtyla (John Paul II), <em>Love and Responsibility</em></a></p><p><a href="https://rowman.com/ISBN/9780585455037/The-Subject-of-Care-Feminist-Perspectives-on-Dependency#:~:text=Edited%20by%20Eva%20Feder%20Kittay,Feder&amp;text=In%20The%20Subject%20of%20Care,our%20very%20conceptions%20of%20self." rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Eva Feder Kittay and Ellen K Feder,&nbsp;<em>The Subject of Care: Feminist Perspectives on Dependency</em></a></p><p><a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23295638/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Gerd S Sellevold <em>et al</em>., 'Quality care for persons experiencing dementia: the significance of relational ethics'</a></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gabriel-Marcel-Reader/dp/158731326X" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Brendan Sweetman (ed.) <em>A Gabriel Marcel Reader</em></a></p><p><a href="https://undpress.nd.edu/9780268035044/after-virtue/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Alasdair MacIntyre, <em>After Virtue</em></a></p><p><a href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674987722" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">O. Carter Snead, <em>What It Means to Be Human: The Case for the Body in Public Bioethics</em></a></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/care-conscience-and-hospitality-with-xavier-symons]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">19522868-7d62-4ab1-884c-d0bca51cc082</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/4c4816f1-9fe8-4d90-8eca-c10feae22e8f/u55aTIKVrvEvi9ParLySC4Az.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2023 09:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/b92d938a-cb1c-4827-bc60-d2c5655ec476/Careful-Thinking-Xavier-Symons.mp3" length="50398991" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>52:30</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>2</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>2</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Relational care - with Mary Larkin and Manik Deepak-Gopinath</title><itunes:title>Relational care - with Mary Larkin and Manik Deepak-Gopinath</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>What is 'relational care' and how can it improve the day-to-day experience of carers and those they care for? What are its implications for relationships between staff and service users in care settings? And how does the concept of relational care enable us to re-imagine the role of place and space in the experience of care? These are some of the questions we explore in this episode with <strong>Mary Larkin</strong> and <strong>Manik Deepak-Gopinath </strong>who recently completed a research project on the value and practice of relational care with older people.</p><p>Mary is Professor of Care, Carers and Caring at The Open University in the UK, where her research has focused on carers and caring and adult social care. She is the co-author, most recently of <a href="https://books.emeraldinsight.com/page/detail/family-carers-and-caring/?k=9781800433496" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Family Carers and Caring</em></a>, published in 2023 by Emerald. Manik is a Lecturer in Ageing, also at The Open University, and is a critical gerontologist with interests in the intersection of ageing, place and wellbeing, and in the intimate and family ties of older adults. </p><p><strong>We cover the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Mary's background and research interests (02:35)</p><p>Manik's background and research interests (06:00)</p><p>Defining relational care (08:40)</p><p>The research project (12:45)</p><p>The relational care toolkit (19:20)</p><p>The role of place and space in relational care (21:40)</p><p>Relationships in relational care (27:15)</p><p>Spreading the word about relational care (32:40)</p><p>Relevance of relational care to other care contexts (36:35)</p><p>What's next for Mary? (38:35)</p><p>What's next for Manik? (39:30)</p><p>Mary's and Manik's key ideas and influences (41:12)</p><p><strong>Links</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.open.ac.uk/people/mml5" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mary's Open University profile</a></p><p><a href="https://www.open.ac.uk/people/mdg272" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Manik's Open University profile</a></p><p><a href="https://oro.open.ac.uk/88675/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Link to the research report </a></p><p>The Open University’s <a href="https://www.open.edu/openlearn/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Open Learn</a> platform</p><p><a href="https://wels.open.ac.uk/research-project/caren/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CAREN (Carer Research and Knowledge Exchange Network)</a></p><p><a href="https://www.routledge.com/Making-Relational-Care-Work-for-Older-People-Exploring-Innovation-and-Best/Kartupelis/p/book/9780367408541" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Book on relational care</a> by Jenny Kartupelis, consultant on the research project</p><p><a href="https://www.politybooks.com/bookdetail?book_slug=care-and-capitalism--9781509543830" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Care and Capitalism</em></a>, book by Kathleen Lynch recommended by Manik</p><p>Wikipedia page for <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doreen_Massey_(geographer)" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Doreen Massey</a>, a key influence for Manik</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is 'relational care' and how can it improve the day-to-day experience of carers and those they care for? What are its implications for relationships between staff and service users in care settings? And how does the concept of relational care enable us to re-imagine the role of place and space in the experience of care? These are some of the questions we explore in this episode with <strong>Mary Larkin</strong> and <strong>Manik Deepak-Gopinath </strong>who recently completed a research project on the value and practice of relational care with older people.</p><p>Mary is Professor of Care, Carers and Caring at The Open University in the UK, where her research has focused on carers and caring and adult social care. She is the co-author, most recently of <a href="https://books.emeraldinsight.com/page/detail/family-carers-and-caring/?k=9781800433496" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Family Carers and Caring</em></a>, published in 2023 by Emerald. Manik is a Lecturer in Ageing, also at The Open University, and is a critical gerontologist with interests in the intersection of ageing, place and wellbeing, and in the intimate and family ties of older adults. </p><p><strong>We cover the following topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Mary's background and research interests (02:35)</p><p>Manik's background and research interests (06:00)</p><p>Defining relational care (08:40)</p><p>The research project (12:45)</p><p>The relational care toolkit (19:20)</p><p>The role of place and space in relational care (21:40)</p><p>Relationships in relational care (27:15)</p><p>Spreading the word about relational care (32:40)</p><p>Relevance of relational care to other care contexts (36:35)</p><p>What's next for Mary? (38:35)</p><p>What's next for Manik? (39:30)</p><p>Mary's and Manik's key ideas and influences (41:12)</p><p><strong>Links</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.open.ac.uk/people/mml5" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Mary's Open University profile</a></p><p><a href="https://www.open.ac.uk/people/mdg272" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Manik's Open University profile</a></p><p><a href="https://oro.open.ac.uk/88675/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Link to the research report </a></p><p>The Open University’s <a href="https://www.open.edu/openlearn/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Open Learn</a> platform</p><p><a href="https://wels.open.ac.uk/research-project/caren/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">CAREN (Carer Research and Knowledge Exchange Network)</a></p><p><a href="https://www.routledge.com/Making-Relational-Care-Work-for-Older-People-Exploring-Innovation-and-Best/Kartupelis/p/book/9780367408541" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Book on relational care</a> by Jenny Kartupelis, consultant on the research project</p><p><a href="https://www.politybooks.com/bookdetail?book_slug=care-and-capitalism--9781509543830" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Care and Capitalism</em></a>, book by Kathleen Lynch recommended by Manik</p><p>Wikipedia page for <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doreen_Massey_(geographer)" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Doreen Massey</a>, a key influence for Manik</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://careful-thinking.captivate.fm/episode/relational-care-with-mary-larkin-and-manik-deepak-gopinath]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">c7fe4e17-7114-453a-8b79-3463c6f2a985</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/d59fd539-575f-4477-96e8-38bc3c916ccf/H5wGf24NSKjhKzIs6xVhQheE.png"/><pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2023 09:00:00 +0100</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ea3aea89-ee82-43ac-8cee-042fe0d9695f/Careful-Thinking-Relational-Care-3.mp3" length="43272320" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>45:04</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>1</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>1</podcast:episode></item></channel></rss>