<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><?xml-stylesheet href="https://feeds.captivate.fm/style.xsl" type="text/xsl"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0" xmlns:googleplay="http://www.google.com/schemas/play-podcasts/1.0" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" xmlns:podcast="https://podcastindex.org/namespace/1.0"><channel><atom:link href="https://feeds.captivate.fm/contrary-to-popular-opinion/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><title><![CDATA[Contrary to Popular Opinion]]></title><podcast:guid>33bf5cf4-9921-5f3a-83d0-f97bc78cb4f8</podcast:guid><lastBuildDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2026 22:19:53 +0000</lastBuildDate><generator>Captivate.fm</generator><language><![CDATA[en]]></language><copyright><![CDATA[Copyright 2026 Vuja Dé Digital]]></copyright><managingEditor>Vuja Dé Digital</managingEditor><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Created by Vuja Dé Digital, Contrary to Popular Opinion brings you provocative topics and novel perspectives around leadership, business, and marketing. The podcast delves into the latest industry topics featuring insights from marketing experts and industry leaders, along with Vuja Dé Digital’s co-founders. Subscribe and tune in weekly to stay in the know about everything important across business, advertising, and performance marketing!]]></itunes:summary><image><url>https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg</url><title>Contrary to Popular Opinion</title><link><![CDATA[https://vujadedigital.com/]]></link></image><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><itunes:owner><itunes:name>Vuja Dé Digital</itunes:name></itunes:owner><itunes:author>Vuja Dé Digital</itunes:author><description>Created by Vuja Dé Digital, Contrary to Popular Opinion brings you provocative topics and novel perspectives around leadership, business, and marketing. The podcast delves into the latest industry topics featuring insights from marketing experts and industry leaders, along with Vuja Dé Digital’s co-founders. Subscribe and tune in weekly to stay in the know about everything important across business, advertising, and performance marketing!</description><link>https://vujadedigital.com/</link><atom:link href="https://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com" rel="hub"/><itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Created by Vuja Dé Digital]]></itunes:subtitle><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:type>episodic</itunes:type><itunes:category text="Business"></itunes:category><itunes:category text="Business"><itunes:category text="Marketing"/></itunes:category><itunes:category text="Business"><itunes:category text="Entrepreneurship"/></itunes:category><podcast:locked>no</podcast:locked><podcast:medium>podcast</podcast:medium><item><title>The Right Questions About Agentic Media Buying No One Is Asking</title><itunes:title>The Right Questions About Agentic Media Buying No One Is Asking</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Todd and Kelly debate a widely discussed case study claiming an “agentic media buy” bypassed the DSP to reduce supply-chain costs and shift more budget into working media. </p><p>They address what DSPs actually contribute, why headlines about “cheaper and faster” can be misleading, and how cost savings often reappear elsewhere in the ecosystem. </p><p>The conversation moves from the mechanics of media buying to the human realities of capacity, burnout, and talent costs. They ultimately frame agentic workflows as an evolution that may remove entry-level tasks while increasing the premium on senior talent, strategy, and decision-making.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>(00:00:00) Opening and why “agentic media buying” is getting hype</li><li>(00:02:30) The case study claim: bypassing the DSP and reallocating fees to working media</li><li>(00:05:20) What a DSP actually does and why it's not “inherently bad”</li><li>(00:08:10) Why “savings” rarely stay savings: value shifts and someone monetizes it</li><li>(00:11:40) Agency economics: fee pressure, utilization, and the race to the bottom</li><li>(00:16:00) The human constraint: focus, burnout, and “AI brain fry”</li><li>(00:20:10) What agentic systems may automate (setup, trafficking) vs. what stays human (judgment)</li><li>(00:24:40) The risk of paying less and getting worse, and why “better outcomes” should be the goal</li><li>(00:31:50) Where this goes next: evolution, talent getting more expensive, and the entry-level gap</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a></li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd and Kelly debate a widely discussed case study claiming an “agentic media buy” bypassed the DSP to reduce supply-chain costs and shift more budget into working media. </p><p>They address what DSPs actually contribute, why headlines about “cheaper and faster” can be misleading, and how cost savings often reappear elsewhere in the ecosystem. </p><p>The conversation moves from the mechanics of media buying to the human realities of capacity, burnout, and talent costs. They ultimately frame agentic workflows as an evolution that may remove entry-level tasks while increasing the premium on senior talent, strategy, and decision-making.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>(00:00:00) Opening and why “agentic media buying” is getting hype</li><li>(00:02:30) The case study claim: bypassing the DSP and reallocating fees to working media</li><li>(00:05:20) What a DSP actually does and why it's not “inherently bad”</li><li>(00:08:10) Why “savings” rarely stay savings: value shifts and someone monetizes it</li><li>(00:11:40) Agency economics: fee pressure, utilization, and the race to the bottom</li><li>(00:16:00) The human constraint: focus, burnout, and “AI brain fry”</li><li>(00:20:10) What agentic systems may automate (setup, trafficking) vs. what stays human (judgment)</li><li>(00:24:40) The risk of paying less and getting worse, and why “better outcomes” should be the goal</li><li>(00:31:50) Where this goes next: evolution, talent getting more expensive, and the entry-level gap</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a></li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/the-right-questions-about-agentic-media-buying-no-one-is-asking-]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">de2a204c-8986-4ab1-a01b-a75f9c9a5635</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2026 09:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/de2a204c-8986-4ab1-a01b-a75f9c9a5635.mp3" length="52202173" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>36:15</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>69</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>69</podcast:episode><podcast:alternateEnclosure type="video/youtube" title="The Right Questions About Agentic Media Buying No One Is Asking"><podcast:source uri="https://youtu.be/_wcpYylyj2U"/></podcast:alternateEnclosure></item><item><title>Cookies Aren&apos;t Dead. They Just Evolved.</title><itunes:title>Cookies Aren&apos;t Dead. They Just Evolved.</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Todd and Kelly break down the practical difference between zero-party data (what people willingly tell you) and first-party data (what you observe from owned interactions), and why the industry’s privacy shift has not eliminated tracking so much as it has made measurement more fragmented and harder to interpret.</p><p>They debate whether cookies will ever truly go away, why consumer behavior tends to default to convenience (even when privacy is a concern), and how “sleeping giants” with money and incentives will keep finding new ways to build audiences.</p><p>From there, they explore where synthetic personas fit in today: not as a magic replacement for real data, but as a way to pressure-test messaging, creative, and experiences before spending heavily.</p><p>Finally, they zoom out on the bigger measurement challenge: when direct attribution gets noisy, the next frontier is faster, more accessible pattern recognition and media mix-style modeling powered by AI, which can help marketers ask better questions, explore more hypotheses, and make more confident decisions across long, multi-touch journeys.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>(00:00:00) Cold open: why data gets collected “one way or another”</li><li>(00:01:10) Intro banter, then diving into zero-party vs first-party data</li><li>(00:02:00) What is zero-party data, and where does it come from?</li><li>(00:05:10) Why it matters most for long decision journeys (healthcare, high-consideration)</li><li>(00:07:15) The real marketing challenge: multi-stage investment and ROI math</li><li>(00:09:00) Tracking, privacy, and why “accept all” is still the default behavior</li><li>(00:14:20) Synthetic personas: where it helps today (creative and message testing)</li><li>(00:20:40) Is targeting better or worse than 5–10 years ago?</li><li>(00:23:20) Why AI changes analytics: faster hypothesis testing and pattern discovery</li><li>(00:34:40) The risk: AI can scale bad assumptions as fast as good ones</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a></li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd and Kelly break down the practical difference between zero-party data (what people willingly tell you) and first-party data (what you observe from owned interactions), and why the industry’s privacy shift has not eliminated tracking so much as it has made measurement more fragmented and harder to interpret.</p><p>They debate whether cookies will ever truly go away, why consumer behavior tends to default to convenience (even when privacy is a concern), and how “sleeping giants” with money and incentives will keep finding new ways to build audiences.</p><p>From there, they explore where synthetic personas fit in today: not as a magic replacement for real data, but as a way to pressure-test messaging, creative, and experiences before spending heavily.</p><p>Finally, they zoom out on the bigger measurement challenge: when direct attribution gets noisy, the next frontier is faster, more accessible pattern recognition and media mix-style modeling powered by AI, which can help marketers ask better questions, explore more hypotheses, and make more confident decisions across long, multi-touch journeys.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>(00:00:00) Cold open: why data gets collected “one way or another”</li><li>(00:01:10) Intro banter, then diving into zero-party vs first-party data</li><li>(00:02:00) What is zero-party data, and where does it come from?</li><li>(00:05:10) Why it matters most for long decision journeys (healthcare, high-consideration)</li><li>(00:07:15) The real marketing challenge: multi-stage investment and ROI math</li><li>(00:09:00) Tracking, privacy, and why “accept all” is still the default behavior</li><li>(00:14:20) Synthetic personas: where it helps today (creative and message testing)</li><li>(00:20:40) Is targeting better or worse than 5–10 years ago?</li><li>(00:23:20) Why AI changes analytics: faster hypothesis testing and pattern discovery</li><li>(00:34:40) The risk: AI can scale bad assumptions as fast as good ones</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a></li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/cookies-arent-dead-they-just-evolved]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">61fbd51b-e15b-458a-9d1a-6daec939f3ab</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2026 09:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/61fbd51b-e15b-458a-9d1a-6daec939f3ab.mp3" length="59332350" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>41:12</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>68</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>68</podcast:episode><podcast:alternateEnclosure type="video/youtube" title="Cookies Aren&apos;t Dead = They Just Evolved"><podcast:source uri="https://youtu.be/QYg7k9Sytm4"/></podcast:alternateEnclosure></item><item><title>Your Creator Strategy vs Your Influencer Strategy  (They&apos;re Not the Same)</title><itunes:title>Your Creator Strategy vs Your Influencer Strategy  (They&apos;re Not the Same)</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Todd and Kelly discuss the often confusing world of influencer and creator marketing, revealing why most brands still get it wrong.</p><p>They break down the critical difference between creators (who produce content for your marketing engine) and influencers (who use their audience to drive direct sales), and explain how understanding this distinction can save you thousands of dollars in wasted marketing spend.</p><p>Through real-world examples—from a sailing influencer's Friskies sponsorship to the fragmented consumer journey that kills conversions—they expose the broken systems plaguing the industry and share their vision for fixing it with their upcoming platform, Social Fair.</p><p>Whether you're a brand struggling to see ROI from influencer partnerships or wondering why your creator campaigns aren't converting, this episode provides the framework you need to finally make influencer marketing work for your business.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:00:00) - Introduction: Why Most Influencer Campaigns Fail</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:01:47) - The Critical Difference Between Creators and Influencers</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:05:42) - Real-World Example: Sailing with Phoenix and the Friskies Deal</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:09:14) - Brand Marketing vs. Performance Marketing in the Creator Economy</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:13:48) - The Authenticity Problem: When Creators Compromise for Paychecks</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:17:23) - Creator Strategy: Building Content for Your Marketing Engine</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:19:37) - Influencer Strategy: Leveraging Their Audience for Direct ROI</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:23:41) - The Fragmented Consumer Journey That Kills Conversions</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:26:34) - Why Influencer Compensation Should Be Tied to Outcomes</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:29:47) - Introducing Social Fair: Democratizing the Creator Economy</li></ol><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a></li></ol><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd and Kelly discuss the often confusing world of influencer and creator marketing, revealing why most brands still get it wrong.</p><p>They break down the critical difference between creators (who produce content for your marketing engine) and influencers (who use their audience to drive direct sales), and explain how understanding this distinction can save you thousands of dollars in wasted marketing spend.</p><p>Through real-world examples—from a sailing influencer's Friskies sponsorship to the fragmented consumer journey that kills conversions—they expose the broken systems plaguing the industry and share their vision for fixing it with their upcoming platform, Social Fair.</p><p>Whether you're a brand struggling to see ROI from influencer partnerships or wondering why your creator campaigns aren't converting, this episode provides the framework you need to finally make influencer marketing work for your business.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:00:00) - Introduction: Why Most Influencer Campaigns Fail</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:01:47) - The Critical Difference Between Creators and Influencers</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:05:42) - Real-World Example: Sailing with Phoenix and the Friskies Deal</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:09:14) - Brand Marketing vs. Performance Marketing in the Creator Economy</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:13:48) - The Authenticity Problem: When Creators Compromise for Paychecks</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:17:23) - Creator Strategy: Building Content for Your Marketing Engine</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:19:37) - Influencer Strategy: Leveraging Their Audience for Direct ROI</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:23:41) - The Fragmented Consumer Journey That Kills Conversions</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:26:34) - Why Influencer Compensation Should Be Tied to Outcomes</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:29:47) - Introducing Social Fair: Democratizing the Creator Economy</li></ol><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a></li></ol><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/your-creator-strategy-vs-your-influencer-strategy-theyre-not-the-same]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">b78be8b6-650c-4fdd-97b4-989a1cf27f04</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2026 09:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/b78be8b6-650c-4fdd-97b4-989a1cf27f04.mp3" length="47799824" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>33:12</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>67</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>67</podcast:episode><podcast:alternateEnclosure type="video/youtube" title="Your Creator Strategy vs Your Influencer Strategy (They&apos;re Not the Same)"><podcast:source uri="https://youtu.be/8naoDmkBgIU"/></podcast:alternateEnclosure></item><item><title>Is Your Ad Budget  Too Small For Your Agency?  (Here’s How You Know)</title><itunes:title>Is Your Ad Budget  Too Small For Your Agency?  (Here’s How You Know)</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Todd and Kelly talk about advertising and media budgets and why mid-market brands often struggle to get real attention from large agencies. </p><p>Smaller accounts are frequently handed to junior teams, while senior talent focuses on nine-figure budgets that can afford mistakes. With $100 million, errors can be absorbed. With $15 million, every dollar matters.</p><p>They also address the hype around AI. Tools can’t fix a weak plan. They simply make a good strategy better or a bad one worse.</p><p>If you manage a seven or eight-figure ad budget and aren’t seeing the results you were promised, this episode explains why. You’ll hear how agency economics really work, why some fee models fail mid-sized brands, and what to look for in a partner who treats your budget like it’s their own.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:00:00) - Retreat Revelations: Why We're Rethinking Everything About Mid-Market Advertising</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:01:43) - The Underserved $5-25M Ad Budget Market</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:06:00) - Why Small Budgets Can't Paper Over Mistakes</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:09:00) - The Middle Market Dead Zone Challenge</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:12:04) - AI Tools Won't Save Bad Strategy</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:15:00) - The Dilution Effect: Big vs. Mid-Size Budgets</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:18:00) - Room for Error: $100M vs. $15M Realities</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:21:00) - Why Marketers Choose Big Agencies (And Shouldn't)</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:28:00) - The Math That Doesn't Work: Fee Structures Exposed</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:31:00) - Finding the Right-Sized Agency Partner</li></ol><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a></li></ol><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Todd and Kelly talk about advertising and media budgets and why mid-market brands often struggle to get real attention from large agencies. </p><p>Smaller accounts are frequently handed to junior teams, while senior talent focuses on nine-figure budgets that can afford mistakes. With $100 million, errors can be absorbed. With $15 million, every dollar matters.</p><p>They also address the hype around AI. Tools can’t fix a weak plan. They simply make a good strategy better or a bad one worse.</p><p>If you manage a seven or eight-figure ad budget and aren’t seeing the results you were promised, this episode explains why. You’ll hear how agency economics really work, why some fee models fail mid-sized brands, and what to look for in a partner who treats your budget like it’s their own.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:00:00) - Retreat Revelations: Why We're Rethinking Everything About Mid-Market Advertising</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:01:43) - The Underserved $5-25M Ad Budget Market</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:06:00) - Why Small Budgets Can't Paper Over Mistakes</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:09:00) - The Middle Market Dead Zone Challenge</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:12:04) - AI Tools Won't Save Bad Strategy</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:15:00) - The Dilution Effect: Big vs. Mid-Size Budgets</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:18:00) - Room for Error: $100M vs. $15M Realities</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:21:00) - Why Marketers Choose Big Agencies (And Shouldn't)</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:28:00) - The Math That Doesn't Work: Fee Structures Exposed</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:31:00) - Finding the Right-Sized Agency Partner</li></ol><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a></li></ol><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/is-your-ad-budget-too-small-for-your-agency-heres-how-you-know]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">a103a0dd-a938-4163-9cac-1f867218caf6</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2026 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/a103a0dd-a938-4163-9cac-1f867218caf6.mp3" length="66487372" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>34:38</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>66</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>66</podcast:episode><podcast:alternateEnclosure type="video/youtube" title="Your Ad Budget Is Too Small (For Big Agencies)"><podcast:source uri="https://youtu.be/9Q1k3IUVQTE"/></podcast:alternateEnclosure></item><item><title>The New  Purchase Journey:  From Mass Media to Social Media Feeds</title><itunes:title>The New  Purchase Journey:  From Mass Media to Social Media Feeds</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Todd and Kelly address the evolution of brand authenticity and marketing. They debate whether traditional brand building—where companies like Volvo owned "safety" and BMW owned "performance"—is dying in favor of personality-driven influencer marketing.</p><p>The conversation explores how legacy brands built equity through mass media versus how modern startups leverage influencers and social commerce to break through.</p><p>They discuss the shift from tactile retail discovery to algorithm-driven feeds, the role of content formats like TikTok in reshaping consumer behavior, and why brand value now often depends more on celebrity endorsement than product quality alone.</p><p>The episode also touches on their own social commerce platform venture and how the purchase journey has fundamentally changed from considered brand loyalty to impulse algorithmic buying.</p><p>Whether you're a brand marketer, entrepreneur, or just interested in consumer behavior, this episode challenges conventional thinking about what makes brands successful today.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:00:00) - Opening: The Rise of Influencer-Driven Marketing</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:01:00) - Brand Authenticity: Is It Dying in the Digital Age?</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:03:00) - Legacy Brands vs. Modern Startups: Different Paths to Trust</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:06:00) - The Evolution from Retail Discovery to Algorithm-Driven Feeds</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:09:00) - What Makes Brands Authentic? Defining the Promise</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:12:00) - Personality-Driven Marketing: Why Influencers Matter Now</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:15:00) - Tesla, Elon Musk, and the Shift Away from Traditional Brand Building</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:17:00) - Social Commerce: How Consumers Discover and Buy Today</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:20:00) - From Mass Media to Instagram Feeds: The New Purchase Journey</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:23:00) - The TV Commercial vs. The Influencer Post: What's Really Different?</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:26:00) - Starting a Brand Today: Why You Need Influencers First</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:30:00) - Impulse Buying and the Algorithm: When Brand Loyalty Doesn't Matter</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:32:00) - The Price Ceiling: When Consumers Still Need Brand Consideration</li></ol><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a></li></ol><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd and Kelly address the evolution of brand authenticity and marketing. They debate whether traditional brand building—where companies like Volvo owned "safety" and BMW owned "performance"—is dying in favor of personality-driven influencer marketing.</p><p>The conversation explores how legacy brands built equity through mass media versus how modern startups leverage influencers and social commerce to break through.</p><p>They discuss the shift from tactile retail discovery to algorithm-driven feeds, the role of content formats like TikTok in reshaping consumer behavior, and why brand value now often depends more on celebrity endorsement than product quality alone.</p><p>The episode also touches on their own social commerce platform venture and how the purchase journey has fundamentally changed from considered brand loyalty to impulse algorithmic buying.</p><p>Whether you're a brand marketer, entrepreneur, or just interested in consumer behavior, this episode challenges conventional thinking about what makes brands successful today.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:00:00) - Opening: The Rise of Influencer-Driven Marketing</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:01:00) - Brand Authenticity: Is It Dying in the Digital Age?</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:03:00) - Legacy Brands vs. Modern Startups: Different Paths to Trust</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:06:00) - The Evolution from Retail Discovery to Algorithm-Driven Feeds</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:09:00) - What Makes Brands Authentic? Defining the Promise</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:12:00) - Personality-Driven Marketing: Why Influencers Matter Now</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:15:00) - Tesla, Elon Musk, and the Shift Away from Traditional Brand Building</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:17:00) - Social Commerce: How Consumers Discover and Buy Today</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:20:00) - From Mass Media to Instagram Feeds: The New Purchase Journey</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:23:00) - The TV Commercial vs. The Influencer Post: What's Really Different?</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:26:00) - Starting a Brand Today: Why You Need Influencers First</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:30:00) - Impulse Buying and the Algorithm: When Brand Loyalty Doesn't Matter</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:32:00) - The Price Ceiling: When Consumers Still Need Brand Consideration</li></ol><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a></li></ol><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/the-new-purchase-journey-from-mass-media-to-social-media-feeds]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">9d0f83ee-0289-400b-9386-2d36f29a791a</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2026 09:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/9d0f83ee-0289-400b-9386-2d36f29a791a.mp3" length="33713538" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>35:07</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>65</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>65</podcast:episode><podcast:alternateEnclosure type="video/youtube" title="The New Purchase Journey: Why Starting a Brand Without Influencers Can Be a Risk"><podcast:source uri="https://youtu.be/j-6lTtr98qY"/></podcast:alternateEnclosure></item><item><title>Inside the Seismic Shift from SEO to Answer Engine Optimization</title><itunes:title>Inside the Seismic Shift from SEO to Answer Engine Optimization</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Todd and Kelly sit down with Sami Akkawi, founder of Petra Labs, to explore the seismic shift from traditional SEO to Answer Engine Optimization (AEO).</p><p>Sami, who made the leap from Morgan Stanley investment banking to AI-driven marketing, reveals why brands must fundamentally rethink their digital strategy as AI models like ChatGPT become the new gatekeepers of consumer trust.</p><p>The conversation dives deep into the tension between optimization and manipulation, exploring whether AI search truly delivers on its promise of truth-seeking or simply creates new opportunities for those with the deepest pockets.</p><p>From Reddit's hidden algorithms to the death of programmatic content, this episode challenges marketing executives and brand managers to confront the truths about authenticity, scalability, and the future of consumer engagement.</p><p>Sami shares compelling data on why AI traffic converts 7-15 times better than traditional sources, how smaller brands can compete against giants like Amazon, and why the SEO playbook of the last 20 years might be more relevant—and more obsolete—than anyone expected.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:00:00) - The Trust Revolution in AI Search</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:01:00) - From Wall Street to AI: How a Morgan Stanley Banker Became an Answer Engine Expert</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:02:48) - From SEO to AEO: Defining Answer Engine Optimization</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:04:00) - Why AI Traffic Converts 7-15x Better Than Traditional Search</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:06:58) - The Fine Line Between Optimization and Manipulation</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:11:43) - How AI Models Assign Authority Differently Than Google</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:15:00) - Personalization at Scale: The Future of AI-Driven Recommendations</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:18:20) - Can Small Brands Compete Against Giants in AI Search?</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:22:43) - User Generated Content: Reddit, TikTok, and the 8-Month Rule</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:30:00) - Healthcare vs CPG: Industry-Specific AEO Strategies</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:35:42) - The Danger of Short-Term Hacks and Long-Term Consequences</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:41:18) - Content is Still King: Why Authentic Storytelling Matters More Than Ever</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:45:30) - The $399/Month Easy Button Myth: Why Real Work Still Wins</li></ol><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Petra Labs <a href="https://www.petralabs.ai/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Website</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Sami Akkawi on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sami-akkawi-815b84130/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a></li></ol><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd and Kelly sit down with Sami Akkawi, founder of Petra Labs, to explore the seismic shift from traditional SEO to Answer Engine Optimization (AEO).</p><p>Sami, who made the leap from Morgan Stanley investment banking to AI-driven marketing, reveals why brands must fundamentally rethink their digital strategy as AI models like ChatGPT become the new gatekeepers of consumer trust.</p><p>The conversation dives deep into the tension between optimization and manipulation, exploring whether AI search truly delivers on its promise of truth-seeking or simply creates new opportunities for those with the deepest pockets.</p><p>From Reddit's hidden algorithms to the death of programmatic content, this episode challenges marketing executives and brand managers to confront the truths about authenticity, scalability, and the future of consumer engagement.</p><p>Sami shares compelling data on why AI traffic converts 7-15 times better than traditional sources, how smaller brands can compete against giants like Amazon, and why the SEO playbook of the last 20 years might be more relevant—and more obsolete—than anyone expected.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:00:00) - The Trust Revolution in AI Search</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:01:00) - From Wall Street to AI: How a Morgan Stanley Banker Became an Answer Engine Expert</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:02:48) - From SEO to AEO: Defining Answer Engine Optimization</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:04:00) - Why AI Traffic Converts 7-15x Better Than Traditional Search</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:06:58) - The Fine Line Between Optimization and Manipulation</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:11:43) - How AI Models Assign Authority Differently Than Google</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:15:00) - Personalization at Scale: The Future of AI-Driven Recommendations</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:18:20) - Can Small Brands Compete Against Giants in AI Search?</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:22:43) - User Generated Content: Reddit, TikTok, and the 8-Month Rule</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:30:00) - Healthcare vs CPG: Industry-Specific AEO Strategies</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:35:42) - The Danger of Short-Term Hacks and Long-Term Consequences</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:41:18) - Content is Still King: Why Authentic Storytelling Matters More Than Ever</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:45:30) - The $399/Month Easy Button Myth: Why Real Work Still Wins</li></ol><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Petra Labs <a href="https://www.petralabs.ai/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Website</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Sami Akkawi on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sami-akkawi-815b84130/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a></li></ol><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/inside-the-seismic-shift-from-seo-to-answer-engine-optimization]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">e1cdd9c6-c04c-47af-bda4-b5b15cbdfa1c</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2026 09:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/e1cdd9c6-c04c-47af-bda4-b5b15cbdfa1c.mp3" length="39269885" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>40:54</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>64</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>64</podcast:episode><podcast:alternateEnclosure type="video/youtube" title="Is Your SEO Strategy Already Obsolete? Answer Engine Optimization Explained"><podcast:source uri="https://youtu.be/ilnc9-HG47Q"/></podcast:alternateEnclosure></item><item><title>Bold 2026 Marketing Predictions: Why 2026 Won&apos;t Be What Marketers Expect</title><itunes:title>Bold 2026 Marketing Predictions: Why 2026 Won&apos;t Be What Marketers Expect</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Todd and Kelly kick off 2026 with bold predictions about the state of AI in marketing and advertising. They discuss why many brands will discover they're nowhere near ready to utilize AI effectively, predicting that the year will expose the gap between AI hype and reality.</p><p>The duo explore how AI-driven media buying could lead to wasted budgets and poor targeting, why creative fatigue will replace audience fatigue as a major challenge, and how generative AI creative is already facing backlash.</p><p>They emphasize that great marketing in 2026 will require more problem-solving and strategic thinking than ever before, as AI tools alone won't deliver the transformational results many expect.</p><p>Kelly shares insights from spending over 1,000 hours working with AI systems, revealing the extensive foundational work required for successful implementation. This episode is essential listening for marketing executives, agency professionals, and anyone navigating the AI revolution in advertising.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:00:00) - Introduction and New Year Greetings</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:01:00) - 2026 Predictions: Is This the Year of AI?</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:03:00) - Prediction #1: Brands Aren't Ready for AI Implementation</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:08:00) - The Hidden Cost: 1,000+ Hours of AI Learning</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:11:00) - Prediction #2: AI Will Make Marketing Worse Before Better</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:18:00) - The Opportunity Cost of "Good Enough" Marketing</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:20:00) - Wasted Ad Spend: AI Media Buying Gone Wrong</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:22:00) - Prediction #3: Creative Fatigue Replaces Audience Fatigue</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:28:00) - Great Marketing Requires Problem Solving, Not Just Platforms</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:33:00) - Looking Ahead: 2027 Will Be Different</li></ol><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a></li></ol><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd and Kelly kick off 2026 with bold predictions about the state of AI in marketing and advertising. They discuss why many brands will discover they're nowhere near ready to utilize AI effectively, predicting that the year will expose the gap between AI hype and reality.</p><p>The duo explore how AI-driven media buying could lead to wasted budgets and poor targeting, why creative fatigue will replace audience fatigue as a major challenge, and how generative AI creative is already facing backlash.</p><p>They emphasize that great marketing in 2026 will require more problem-solving and strategic thinking than ever before, as AI tools alone won't deliver the transformational results many expect.</p><p>Kelly shares insights from spending over 1,000 hours working with AI systems, revealing the extensive foundational work required for successful implementation. This episode is essential listening for marketing executives, agency professionals, and anyone navigating the AI revolution in advertising.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:00:00) - Introduction and New Year Greetings</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:01:00) - 2026 Predictions: Is This the Year of AI?</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:03:00) - Prediction #1: Brands Aren't Ready for AI Implementation</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:08:00) - The Hidden Cost: 1,000+ Hours of AI Learning</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:11:00) - Prediction #2: AI Will Make Marketing Worse Before Better</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:18:00) - The Opportunity Cost of "Good Enough" Marketing</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:20:00) - Wasted Ad Spend: AI Media Buying Gone Wrong</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:22:00) - Prediction #3: Creative Fatigue Replaces Audience Fatigue</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:28:00) - Great Marketing Requires Problem Solving, Not Just Platforms</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:33:00) - Looking Ahead: 2027 Will Be Different</li></ol><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a></li></ol><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/bold-2026-marketing-predictions-why-2026-wont-be-what-marketers-expect]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">2be6f28c-b52c-4213-990a-863e57e666f8</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2026 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/2be6f28c-b52c-4213-990a-863e57e666f8.mp3" length="33955958" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>35:22</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>63</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>63</podcast:episode><podcast:alternateEnclosure type="video/youtube" title="Bold 2026 Marketing Predictions: Why 2026 Won&apos;t Be What Marketers Expect"><podcast:source uri="https://youtu.be/zoDjy8oSKrw"/></podcast:alternateEnclosure></item><item><title>Why Your Marketing Dashboard Is Lying to You (And how AI Can Fix It)</title><itunes:title>Why Your Marketing Dashboard Is Lying to You (And how AI Can Fix It)</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Todd and Kelly sit down with Jill and Jeff from Fuse.is to explore the evolution of marketing analytics in the age of AI.</p><p>The conversation challenges conventional wisdom about dashboards, data warehouses, and the future of business intelligence. Jeff and Jill reveal why "good enough" data accuracy is no longer acceptable and how their platform eliminates the fragile ETL pipelines that plague traditional analytics tools.</p><p>They discuss the critical difference between static dashboards and live data environments, the importance of semantic intelligence layers in preventing AI hallucinations, and why simplicity—not complexity—wins in the long term.</p><p>The discussion also tackles data privacy concerns, Google's new ads advisor, and the controversial question of whether dashboards are obsolete or essential.</p><p>For marketing executives and data-driven professionals tired of broken dashboards and inaccurate insights, this episode offers a contrarian perspective on how AI should truly amplify marketing intelligence.</p><p>Chapters</p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:00:00) - The Challenge of Data Interpretation for Junior Marketers</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:01:00) - Are Dashboards Dead? The Evolution of Marketing Analytics</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:04:00) - The Fragile ETL Pipeline Problem</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:08:00) - Dashboards as Conduits for Exploration, Not Just Display</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:11:00) - The Balance Between Simplicity and Complexity in Data</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:15:00) - ETLs vs. AI: Comparing Human Error and Hallucinations</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:19:00) - Fuse's Semantic Intelligence Layer: Preventing AI Hallucinations</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:22:00) - Data Privacy, Compliance, and the Mixpanel Breach</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:25:00) - Why Google's Ads Advisor Isn't Enough</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:27:00) - Contrarian Lessons from Building an AI Startup</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:30:00) - Rapid Fire: Dashboards, Attribution, and What Wins Long-Term</li></ol><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span><a href="https://www.fuse.is/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Website</a> Fuse.is</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Jeff Cherkassky on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jcherkassky/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Jill Randell on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jillrandell/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a></li></ol><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd and Kelly sit down with Jill and Jeff from Fuse.is to explore the evolution of marketing analytics in the age of AI.</p><p>The conversation challenges conventional wisdom about dashboards, data warehouses, and the future of business intelligence. Jeff and Jill reveal why "good enough" data accuracy is no longer acceptable and how their platform eliminates the fragile ETL pipelines that plague traditional analytics tools.</p><p>They discuss the critical difference between static dashboards and live data environments, the importance of semantic intelligence layers in preventing AI hallucinations, and why simplicity—not complexity—wins in the long term.</p><p>The discussion also tackles data privacy concerns, Google's new ads advisor, and the controversial question of whether dashboards are obsolete or essential.</p><p>For marketing executives and data-driven professionals tired of broken dashboards and inaccurate insights, this episode offers a contrarian perspective on how AI should truly amplify marketing intelligence.</p><p>Chapters</p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:00:00) - The Challenge of Data Interpretation for Junior Marketers</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:01:00) - Are Dashboards Dead? The Evolution of Marketing Analytics</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:04:00) - The Fragile ETL Pipeline Problem</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:08:00) - Dashboards as Conduits for Exploration, Not Just Display</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:11:00) - The Balance Between Simplicity and Complexity in Data</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:15:00) - ETLs vs. AI: Comparing Human Error and Hallucinations</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:19:00) - Fuse's Semantic Intelligence Layer: Preventing AI Hallucinations</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:22:00) - Data Privacy, Compliance, and the Mixpanel Breach</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:25:00) - Why Google's Ads Advisor Isn't Enough</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:27:00) - Contrarian Lessons from Building an AI Startup</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>(00:30:00) - Rapid Fire: Dashboards, Attribution, and What Wins Long-Term</li></ol><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span><a href="https://www.fuse.is/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Website</a> Fuse.is</li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Jeff Cherkassky on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jcherkassky/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Jill Randell on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jillrandell/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a></li></ol><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/happy-monday]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">23a59c35-8fa2-4be6-a5c7-3153d92168de</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2026 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/23a59c35-8fa2-4be6-a5c7-3153d92168de.mp3" length="37956416" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>39:32</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>62</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>62</podcast:episode><podcast:chapters url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/chapter-69fd6767-5a98-4167-9625-3da1a8e4139e.json" type="application/json+chapters"/><podcast:alternateEnclosure type="video/youtube" title="Why Dashboards Lie to Marketers (And What Actually Works)"><podcast:source uri="https://youtu.be/lUkQn2SafgA"/></podcast:alternateEnclosure></item><item><title>The Truth About Marketing Analytics Costing You Millions</title><itunes:title>The Truth About Marketing Analytics Costing You Millions</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Todd and Kelly tackle the realities of marketing and performance measurement with marketing analyst and expert Jeff Sutelman, from Funnel.io. </p><p>They discuss why the dream of perfect user journey tracking is dead, how platforms like Meta grade their own homework, and why ROAS isn't the holy grail most marketers think it is. </p><p>Jeff shares why small brands stay small when they optimize only for last-click conversions, the critical importance of data quality and governance, and how to balance performance marketing with brand building. </p><p>The conversation covers everything from the challenges of attribution in a privacy-first world to why passing quality signals back to ad platforms can be the difference between a $50 CAC and a $10 CAC. </p><p>Whether you're an agency trying to prove ROI or a brand struggling to scale past organic growth, this episode delivers hard truths and actionable insights about the current state of marketing analytics.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>(00:00:00) - Why Your Marketing Data Might Be Lying to You</li><li>(00:01:00) - Meet Jeff Sutelman: The Marketing Data Truth-Teller</li><li>(00:03:00) - What is Funnel.io and Why Marketing Data Matters</li><li>(00:04:00) - The Death of Perfect User Journey Tracking</li><li>(00:08:00) - Why ROAS Isn't the Holy Grail of Measurement</li><li>(00:11:00) - The Last-Click Attribution Trap and Brand Building</li><li>(00:13:00) - Balancing Finance Expectations with Marketing Reality</li><li>(00:14:00) - Brand Is Making a Comeback</li><li>(00:18:00) - Data Quality: The Difference Between $50 and $10 CAC</li><li>(00:23:00) - Data Security, Compliance, and GDPR Challenges</li><li>(00:26:00) - Data Analysts vs Data Scientists: The Translator Role</li><li>(00:28:00) - Proving Upper Funnel Impact with Lower Funnel Metrics</li><li>(00:31:00) - Hot Seat: Most Overrated and Underrated Metrics</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Jeff Sutelman on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-sutelman/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd and Kelly tackle the realities of marketing and performance measurement with marketing analyst and expert Jeff Sutelman, from Funnel.io. </p><p>They discuss why the dream of perfect user journey tracking is dead, how platforms like Meta grade their own homework, and why ROAS isn't the holy grail most marketers think it is. </p><p>Jeff shares why small brands stay small when they optimize only for last-click conversions, the critical importance of data quality and governance, and how to balance performance marketing with brand building. </p><p>The conversation covers everything from the challenges of attribution in a privacy-first world to why passing quality signals back to ad platforms can be the difference between a $50 CAC and a $10 CAC. </p><p>Whether you're an agency trying to prove ROI or a brand struggling to scale past organic growth, this episode delivers hard truths and actionable insights about the current state of marketing analytics.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>(00:00:00) - Why Your Marketing Data Might Be Lying to You</li><li>(00:01:00) - Meet Jeff Sutelman: The Marketing Data Truth-Teller</li><li>(00:03:00) - What is Funnel.io and Why Marketing Data Matters</li><li>(00:04:00) - The Death of Perfect User Journey Tracking</li><li>(00:08:00) - Why ROAS Isn't the Holy Grail of Measurement</li><li>(00:11:00) - The Last-Click Attribution Trap and Brand Building</li><li>(00:13:00) - Balancing Finance Expectations with Marketing Reality</li><li>(00:14:00) - Brand Is Making a Comeback</li><li>(00:18:00) - Data Quality: The Difference Between $50 and $10 CAC</li><li>(00:23:00) - Data Security, Compliance, and GDPR Challenges</li><li>(00:26:00) - Data Analysts vs Data Scientists: The Translator Role</li><li>(00:28:00) - Proving Upper Funnel Impact with Lower Funnel Metrics</li><li>(00:31:00) - Hot Seat: Most Overrated and Underrated Metrics</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Jeff Sutelman on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-sutelman/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/happy-monday]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">6542668a-69f7-4d45-b417-cefcd2190ba3</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2025 09:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/6542668a-69f7-4d45-b417-cefcd2190ba3.mp3" length="32119037" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>33:27</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>61</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>61</podcast:episode><podcast:alternateEnclosure type="video/youtube" title="The Truth About Marketing Analytics Costing You Millions"><podcast:source uri="https://youtu.be/U1RBm3pVAPU"/></podcast:alternateEnclosure></item><item><title>Why Human Touch in Marketing Beats AI Every Time</title><itunes:title>Why Human Touch in Marketing Beats AI Every Time</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Is AI democratizing creative work or just making everything look the same? Rebecca Rothstein, founder of The Shorts and Madison Avenue veteran, joins Kelly and Todd for a no-holds-barred conversation about AI's impact on creativity. </p><p>Rebecca argues that while AI can be a useful tool, it can't replace human taste, emotion, and cultural intuition. From Stanley Cup's brand transformation to the looming junior talent crisis, this episode challenges the assumption that "good enough" is acceptable in creative work. </p><p>If you're wondering whether you're a prompt engineer or an artist, this conversation will give you clarity on where human creativity matters most in an AI-saturated world.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>(00:00:00) - Why This Episode Will Change How You Think About AI and Creativity</li><li>(00:01:00) - Meet Rebecca Rothstein: From Madison Avenue's Trenches to Building The Shorts</li><li>(00:03:00) - The Real Cost of "Always On" Culture: Late Nights, Big Wins, and What We Lost</li><li>(00:06:00) - The Battle Lines Are Drawn: Can Machines Ever Replace Human Creativity?</li><li>(00:08:00) - What AI Gets Wrong About Emotion (And Why That Matters for Your Brand)</li><li>(00:13:00) - The Taste Test: Why Your Creative Instinct Is Your Competitive Advantage</li><li>(00:16:00) - Brand DNA vs. Cultural Moment: How to Know When to Evolve (and When to Stand Firm)</li><li>(00:19:00) - Stanley Cup's Masterclass: How a 110-Year-Old Brand Became Gen Z's Obsession</li><li>(00:21:00) - Are You a Prompt Engineer or an Artist? The Identity Crisis Facing Creative Directors</li><li>(00:26:00) - The Homogenization Trap: Why All AI-Generated Content Starts to Look the Same</li><li>(00:28:00) - "Good Enough" Is Killing Your Brand: Why Great Is the Only Standard That Matters</li><li>(00:32:00) - The Junior Talent Crisis: What Happens When AI Eliminates Entry-Level Experience?</li><li>(00:36:00) - Hiring in 2025: Why Personality and Problem-Solving Beat Perfect Portfolios</li><li>(00:40:00) - Hot Seat: Rebecca's Unfiltered Takes on Nike, Creativity, and the Future of Marketing</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Hello Shorts <a href="https://www.hello-shorts.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Website</a></li><li>IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/helloshortsmkt/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@helloshortsmkt</a></li><li>Rebecca Levy Rothstein on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebecca-levy-rothstein/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>The Shorts on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/hello-shorts/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is AI democratizing creative work or just making everything look the same? Rebecca Rothstein, founder of The Shorts and Madison Avenue veteran, joins Kelly and Todd for a no-holds-barred conversation about AI's impact on creativity. </p><p>Rebecca argues that while AI can be a useful tool, it can't replace human taste, emotion, and cultural intuition. From Stanley Cup's brand transformation to the looming junior talent crisis, this episode challenges the assumption that "good enough" is acceptable in creative work. </p><p>If you're wondering whether you're a prompt engineer or an artist, this conversation will give you clarity on where human creativity matters most in an AI-saturated world.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>(00:00:00) - Why This Episode Will Change How You Think About AI and Creativity</li><li>(00:01:00) - Meet Rebecca Rothstein: From Madison Avenue's Trenches to Building The Shorts</li><li>(00:03:00) - The Real Cost of "Always On" Culture: Late Nights, Big Wins, and What We Lost</li><li>(00:06:00) - The Battle Lines Are Drawn: Can Machines Ever Replace Human Creativity?</li><li>(00:08:00) - What AI Gets Wrong About Emotion (And Why That Matters for Your Brand)</li><li>(00:13:00) - The Taste Test: Why Your Creative Instinct Is Your Competitive Advantage</li><li>(00:16:00) - Brand DNA vs. Cultural Moment: How to Know When to Evolve (and When to Stand Firm)</li><li>(00:19:00) - Stanley Cup's Masterclass: How a 110-Year-Old Brand Became Gen Z's Obsession</li><li>(00:21:00) - Are You a Prompt Engineer or an Artist? The Identity Crisis Facing Creative Directors</li><li>(00:26:00) - The Homogenization Trap: Why All AI-Generated Content Starts to Look the Same</li><li>(00:28:00) - "Good Enough" Is Killing Your Brand: Why Great Is the Only Standard That Matters</li><li>(00:32:00) - The Junior Talent Crisis: What Happens When AI Eliminates Entry-Level Experience?</li><li>(00:36:00) - Hiring in 2025: Why Personality and Problem-Solving Beat Perfect Portfolios</li><li>(00:40:00) - Hot Seat: Rebecca's Unfiltered Takes on Nike, Creativity, and the Future of Marketing</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Hello Shorts <a href="https://www.hello-shorts.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Website</a></li><li>IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/helloshortsmkt/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@helloshortsmkt</a></li><li>Rebecca Levy Rothstein on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebecca-levy-rothstein/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>The Shorts on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/hello-shorts/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/rebecca-rothstein]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">d27b48f6-cef6-4eba-9bd4-abd4e4253787</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2025 09:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/d27b48f6-cef6-4eba-9bd4-abd4e4253787.mp3" length="67945248" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>47:11</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>60</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>60</podcast:episode><podcast:alternateEnclosure type="video/youtube" title="Why Human Touch in Marketing Beats AI Every Time"><podcast:source uri="https://youtu.be/9i_XgpG4L4o"/></podcast:alternateEnclosure></item><item><title>Pixels vs People: The Virtual Influencer Marketing Debate</title><itunes:title>Pixels vs People: The Virtual Influencer Marketing Debate</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this thought-provoking episode, Todd and Kelly dig into the complex world of virtual influencers and AI-generated content creators. </p><p>They debate whether virtual influencers represent the future of advertising or an existential threat to human creativity and authenticity. </p><p>The conversation explores the efficiency and cost benefits of virtual creators versus the irreplaceable value of real human endorsements, examining questions of transparency, cultural responsibility, and consumer trust. </p><p>From rock climbing gear to fashion campaigns, they analyze whether audiences can truly connect with AI-generated personas or if authenticity will always demand a human touch. </p><p>The discussion spans generational perspectives, ethical considerations, and the slippery slope of what happens when pixels replace people in the influencer economy. </p><p>Todd and Kelly also explore parallels with animated characters like Bart Simpson and Mickey Mouse, questioning whether virtual influencers are really that different from the entertainment we've already embraced. </p><p>Ultimately, they conclude that virtual influencers are a creative medium with potential, but success depends entirely on transparency, effective execution, and a thorough understanding of your audience.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>(00:00:00) - Halloween Candy Wars &amp; Why We're All Wrong About Something</li><li>(00:01:15) - The Rise of Virtual Influencers: When AI Becomes Your Brand Ambassador</li><li>(00:02:45) - The Math That Changes Everything: $50K Real Influencer vs. $1K Virtual Creator</li><li>(00:05:30) - Can Pixels Build Trust? The Authenticity Paradox of AI Influencers</li><li>(00:09:20) - The Rock Climbing Test: Would You Buy Gear From a Fake Expert?</li><li>(00:13:45) - The Deception Dilemma: Why Transparency Makes or Breaks Virtual Influencers</li><li>(00:17:10) - Entertainment vs. Endorsement: When Does a Virtual Character Cross the Line?</li><li>(00:21:30) - The Brand Responsibility Question: What Do We Owe Our Audiences?</li><li>(00:26:15) - Gen Z vs. Boomers: Why Age Determines Your AI Influencer Tolerance</li><li>(00:30:40) - Digital Resurrection: The Chris Farley Question and the Future of AI Celebrities</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this thought-provoking episode, Todd and Kelly dig into the complex world of virtual influencers and AI-generated content creators. </p><p>They debate whether virtual influencers represent the future of advertising or an existential threat to human creativity and authenticity. </p><p>The conversation explores the efficiency and cost benefits of virtual creators versus the irreplaceable value of real human endorsements, examining questions of transparency, cultural responsibility, and consumer trust. </p><p>From rock climbing gear to fashion campaigns, they analyze whether audiences can truly connect with AI-generated personas or if authenticity will always demand a human touch. </p><p>The discussion spans generational perspectives, ethical considerations, and the slippery slope of what happens when pixels replace people in the influencer economy. </p><p>Todd and Kelly also explore parallels with animated characters like Bart Simpson and Mickey Mouse, questioning whether virtual influencers are really that different from the entertainment we've already embraced. </p><p>Ultimately, they conclude that virtual influencers are a creative medium with potential, but success depends entirely on transparency, effective execution, and a thorough understanding of your audience.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>(00:00:00) - Halloween Candy Wars &amp; Why We're All Wrong About Something</li><li>(00:01:15) - The Rise of Virtual Influencers: When AI Becomes Your Brand Ambassador</li><li>(00:02:45) - The Math That Changes Everything: $50K Real Influencer vs. $1K Virtual Creator</li><li>(00:05:30) - Can Pixels Build Trust? The Authenticity Paradox of AI Influencers</li><li>(00:09:20) - The Rock Climbing Test: Would You Buy Gear From a Fake Expert?</li><li>(00:13:45) - The Deception Dilemma: Why Transparency Makes or Breaks Virtual Influencers</li><li>(00:17:10) - Entertainment vs. Endorsement: When Does a Virtual Character Cross the Line?</li><li>(00:21:30) - The Brand Responsibility Question: What Do We Owe Our Audiences?</li><li>(00:26:15) - Gen Z vs. Boomers: Why Age Determines Your AI Influencer Tolerance</li><li>(00:30:40) - Digital Resurrection: The Chris Farley Question and the Future of AI Celebrities</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/happy-sunday-i-hope-you-are-well-you-are-a-light-have-a-good-week]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">2d18967d-fe90-46d0-b5d3-a63d65928e25</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2025 09:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/2d18967d-fe90-46d0-b5d3-a63d65928e25.mp3" length="86479933" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>36:02</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>59</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>59</podcast:episode></item><item><title>The Real Cost of AI for Advertising &amp; Marketing Agencies</title><itunes:title>The Real Cost of AI for Advertising &amp; Marketing Agencies</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Matt, Todd, and Kelly address the realities of AI adoption in advertising and marketing agencies. </p><p>Sparked by Deloitte's recent lawsuit related to delivering AI-generated work with hallucinations, the trio explores what clients should actually expect when agencies use AI tools. </p><p>Contrary to popular belief, AI isn't making their work faster or cheaper - it's requiring massive investments in time, learning, and experimentation. </p><p>They discuss the difference between using AI to "cheat" versus using it to upgrade deliverables, explore the emerging world of synthetic focus groups and personas, and debate whether AI should serve the master of efficiency or enhancement. </p><p>The conversation reveals a critical tension: while clients expect AI to reduce costs, the real value lies in agencies investing hundreds of hours to master these tools and deliver exponentially better outcomes. </p><p>They also address the concerning trend of AI replacing entry-level positions, potentially creating a future workforce crisis where no one gains the experience necessary to advance in their career progression.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>(00:00:00) - The Deloitte AI Lawsuit: What Went Wrong</li><li>(00:03:00) - AI Isn't Making Work Faster—It's Making It Better</li><li>(00:06:00) - Using AI to Upgrade Deliverables, Not Replace Expertise</li><li>(00:09:00) - The Cost Problem: Who Pays for AI Innovation?</li><li>(00:12:00) - AI as Enhancement Tool: The Logo Iteration Analogy</li><li>(00:16:00) - Synthetic Focus Groups: The Future of Market Research?</li><li>(00:20:00) - AI and the Entry-Level Employee Crisis</li><li>(00:25:00) - Using AI for CRO and Creative Testing</li><li>(00:29:00) - The Rick Rubin Principle: Confidence in Taste</li><li>(00:32:00) - The Reality Check: 1000+ Hours Invested in Learning AI</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Matt Crincoli on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattcrincoli/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, Todd, and Kelly address the realities of AI adoption in advertising and marketing agencies. </p><p>Sparked by Deloitte's recent lawsuit related to delivering AI-generated work with hallucinations, the trio explores what clients should actually expect when agencies use AI tools. </p><p>Contrary to popular belief, AI isn't making their work faster or cheaper - it's requiring massive investments in time, learning, and experimentation. </p><p>They discuss the difference between using AI to "cheat" versus using it to upgrade deliverables, explore the emerging world of synthetic focus groups and personas, and debate whether AI should serve the master of efficiency or enhancement. </p><p>The conversation reveals a critical tension: while clients expect AI to reduce costs, the real value lies in agencies investing hundreds of hours to master these tools and deliver exponentially better outcomes. </p><p>They also address the concerning trend of AI replacing entry-level positions, potentially creating a future workforce crisis where no one gains the experience necessary to advance in their career progression.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>(00:00:00) - The Deloitte AI Lawsuit: What Went Wrong</li><li>(00:03:00) - AI Isn't Making Work Faster—It's Making It Better</li><li>(00:06:00) - Using AI to Upgrade Deliverables, Not Replace Expertise</li><li>(00:09:00) - The Cost Problem: Who Pays for AI Innovation?</li><li>(00:12:00) - AI as Enhancement Tool: The Logo Iteration Analogy</li><li>(00:16:00) - Synthetic Focus Groups: The Future of Market Research?</li><li>(00:20:00) - AI and the Entry-Level Employee Crisis</li><li>(00:25:00) - Using AI for CRO and Creative Testing</li><li>(00:29:00) - The Rick Rubin Principle: Confidence in Taste</li><li>(00:32:00) - The Reality Check: 1000+ Hours Invested in Learning AI</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Matt Crincoli on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattcrincoli/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/cpo-matt-happy-monday-lurae-hope-you-are-doing-well]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">b5acc2b1-6f67-4adb-9229-45f294767025</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2025 10:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/b5acc2b1-6f67-4adb-9229-45f294767025.mp3" length="51517551" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>35:47</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>58</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>58</podcast:episode></item><item><title>The ROAS Trap: How Chasing Attribution Impacts Your Marketing</title><itunes:title>The ROAS Trap: How Chasing Attribution Impacts Your Marketing</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Todd and Kelly address some of the controversial debates shaping marketing today. </p><p>They tackle the age-old question: Does brand actually sell, or is it just a signal? As they explore the friction between brand-building and performance marketing, they challenge assumptions around consumer behavior, full-funnel marketing, and the relentless pursuit of ROAS. </p><p>The conversation takes an interesting turn as they examine how AI and rapid prototyping are transforming creativity in advertising. </p><p>Is the soul of creativity being stripped away by data-driven algorithms? Or is this evolution simply changing the role of creative professionals from players to coaches? </p><p>Todd and Kelly also discuss the fragmentation of consumer attention, the myth of overnight success, and why full-funnel marketing might be more important now than ever before. </p><p>They wrap up with a surprising discussion about AI actresses and what the future may hold for entertainment and marketing alike.</p><p>Chapters:</p><p>- 00:00:00 - Introduction and Setting the Stage</p><p>- 00:01:00 - Does Brand Really Sell? The Great Debate Begins</p><p>- 00:04:00 - Needs vs. Wants: When Brand Actually Matters</p><p>- 00:09:00 - The Plumbing Analogy: Brand Awareness in Action</p><p>- 00:12:00 - Is Full Funnel Marketing Still Relevant?</p><p>- 00:15:00 - The Danger of Getting Lucky vs. Building Sustainably</p><p>- 00:17:00 - Has the Pursuit of ROAS Killed Advertising's Soul?</p><p>- 00:21:00 - The Marathon Runner vs. Last Click Attribution</p><p>- 00:23:00 - Strategic Ebb and Flow: The Modern Approach to Brand Building</p><p>- 00:25:00 - Rapid Prototyping and the Death of Traditional Creative</p><p>- 00:29:00 - AI's Impact on Creative: From Athlete to Coach</p><p>- 00:33:00 - The Future of AI in Advertising and Media Buying</p><p>- 00:34:00 - AI Actresses and the Future of Entertainment</p><p><strong>Links and Resources:</strong></p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Todd and Kelly address some of the controversial debates shaping marketing today. </p><p>They tackle the age-old question: Does brand actually sell, or is it just a signal? As they explore the friction between brand-building and performance marketing, they challenge assumptions around consumer behavior, full-funnel marketing, and the relentless pursuit of ROAS. </p><p>The conversation takes an interesting turn as they examine how AI and rapid prototyping are transforming creativity in advertising. </p><p>Is the soul of creativity being stripped away by data-driven algorithms? Or is this evolution simply changing the role of creative professionals from players to coaches? </p><p>Todd and Kelly also discuss the fragmentation of consumer attention, the myth of overnight success, and why full-funnel marketing might be more important now than ever before. </p><p>They wrap up with a surprising discussion about AI actresses and what the future may hold for entertainment and marketing alike.</p><p>Chapters:</p><p>- 00:00:00 - Introduction and Setting the Stage</p><p>- 00:01:00 - Does Brand Really Sell? The Great Debate Begins</p><p>- 00:04:00 - Needs vs. Wants: When Brand Actually Matters</p><p>- 00:09:00 - The Plumbing Analogy: Brand Awareness in Action</p><p>- 00:12:00 - Is Full Funnel Marketing Still Relevant?</p><p>- 00:15:00 - The Danger of Getting Lucky vs. Building Sustainably</p><p>- 00:17:00 - Has the Pursuit of ROAS Killed Advertising's Soul?</p><p>- 00:21:00 - The Marathon Runner vs. Last Click Attribution</p><p>- 00:23:00 - Strategic Ebb and Flow: The Modern Approach to Brand Building</p><p>- 00:25:00 - Rapid Prototyping and the Death of Traditional Creative</p><p>- 00:29:00 - AI's Impact on Creative: From Athlete to Coach</p><p>- 00:33:00 - The Future of AI in Advertising and Media Buying</p><p>- 00:34:00 - AI Actresses and the Future of Entertainment</p><p><strong>Links and Resources:</strong></p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/cpo-57]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">bfa242c6-4159-4a4d-beee-40369f0341f4</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2025 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/bfa242c6-4159-4a4d-beee-40369f0341f4.mp3" length="79374627" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>33:04</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>57</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>57</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Why Holiday Shopping Now Starts in September: Marketing vs. Psychology</title><itunes:title>Why Holiday Shopping Now Starts in September: Marketing vs. Psychology</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Holiday shopping in September isn't consumer demand - it's retailer conditioning. In this episode, hosts Todd Juneay and Kelly McGuire are joined by e-commerce strategist Matt Crincoli to examine:</p><ul><li>how "holiday creep" trained shoppers to wait for discounts</li><li>why the Big Five shopping days are losing power</li><li>how mobile commerce collapsed the purchase journey into impulse-driven seconds.</li></ul><br/><p>They explore the discount trap eroding brand value, the unsustainable returns culture Gen Alpha is rejecting, why most AI gift tools miss the mark, and what it takes to build authentic brand connections when promotional noise becomes overwhelming.</p><p>As consumer psychology shifts faster than retail strategy, this conversation reveals what's breaking beneath the surface, and what comes next for brands willing to compete on value instead of volume.</p><p><strong>Key Topics:</strong></p><ul><li>Holiday creep as behavioral conditioning</li><li>Mobile commerce's impact on purchase psychology</li><li>The discount death spiral and brand value erosion</li><li>Returns culture's economic and environmental costs</li><li>AI gift recommendations and what makes them work</li><li>Strategic alternatives to constant promotion</li></ul><br/><p>Perfect for retail leaders, e-commerce teams, brand strategists, and anyone wondering why holiday shopping starts earlier and earlier.</p><h2>Chapters</h2><p>- 00:00:00 – 2025 holiday landscape</p><p>- 00:01:30 – Holiday creep and consumer training</p><p>- 00:04:10 – Novelty dilution in holiday shopping</p><p>- 00:05:20 – Big Five days versus early strategies</p><p>- 00:07:00 – End-caps create retail demand</p><p>- 00:10:00 – Psychology trumps price in shopping</p><p>- 00:12:10 – Discount wars harm brand value</p><p>- 00:14:20 – Mobile/social streamlines purchase path</p><p>- 00:16:30 – Shop Pay moves POS to phones</p><p>- 00:19:00 – Returns culture hurts sustainability</p><p>- 00:22:00 – Gen Alpha pushes back</p><p>- 00:27:30 – AI gift help needs good prompts</p><p>- 00:31:00 – Brand strategy for authentic connection</p><p><strong>Links and Resources:</strong></p><ul><li>Matt Crincoli on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattcrincoli/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holiday shopping in September isn't consumer demand - it's retailer conditioning. In this episode, hosts Todd Juneay and Kelly McGuire are joined by e-commerce strategist Matt Crincoli to examine:</p><ul><li>how "holiday creep" trained shoppers to wait for discounts</li><li>why the Big Five shopping days are losing power</li><li>how mobile commerce collapsed the purchase journey into impulse-driven seconds.</li></ul><br/><p>They explore the discount trap eroding brand value, the unsustainable returns culture Gen Alpha is rejecting, why most AI gift tools miss the mark, and what it takes to build authentic brand connections when promotional noise becomes overwhelming.</p><p>As consumer psychology shifts faster than retail strategy, this conversation reveals what's breaking beneath the surface, and what comes next for brands willing to compete on value instead of volume.</p><p><strong>Key Topics:</strong></p><ul><li>Holiday creep as behavioral conditioning</li><li>Mobile commerce's impact on purchase psychology</li><li>The discount death spiral and brand value erosion</li><li>Returns culture's economic and environmental costs</li><li>AI gift recommendations and what makes them work</li><li>Strategic alternatives to constant promotion</li></ul><br/><p>Perfect for retail leaders, e-commerce teams, brand strategists, and anyone wondering why holiday shopping starts earlier and earlier.</p><h2>Chapters</h2><p>- 00:00:00 – 2025 holiday landscape</p><p>- 00:01:30 – Holiday creep and consumer training</p><p>- 00:04:10 – Novelty dilution in holiday shopping</p><p>- 00:05:20 – Big Five days versus early strategies</p><p>- 00:07:00 – End-caps create retail demand</p><p>- 00:10:00 – Psychology trumps price in shopping</p><p>- 00:12:10 – Discount wars harm brand value</p><p>- 00:14:20 – Mobile/social streamlines purchase path</p><p>- 00:16:30 – Shop Pay moves POS to phones</p><p>- 00:19:00 – Returns culture hurts sustainability</p><p>- 00:22:00 – Gen Alpha pushes back</p><p>- 00:27:30 – AI gift help needs good prompts</p><p>- 00:31:00 – Brand strategy for authentic connection</p><p><strong>Links and Resources:</strong></p><ul><li>Matt Crincoli on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattcrincoli/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/cpo-56-matt-crincoli-]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">9fee7c98-7103-4b6e-b288-4a819cf5507b</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2025 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/9fee7c98-7103-4b6e-b288-4a819cf5507b.mp3" length="40852520" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>34:03</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>56</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>56</podcast:episode><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/028f4386-cf75-4078-a010-6d72a358f1ca/transcript.json" type="application/json"/><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/028f4386-cf75-4078-a010-6d72a358f1ca/transcript.srt" type="application/srt" rel="captions"/><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/028f4386-cf75-4078-a010-6d72a358f1ca/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>Social vs. Amazon: Who Wins the Next Wave of E-Commerce?</title><itunes:title>Social vs. Amazon: Who Wins the Next Wave of E-Commerce?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Todd Juneau and Kelly McGuire explore why 79% of shoppers abandon their carts due to delivery options, how Gen Z's social shopping is challenging Amazon's dominance, and whether brands can ever match the authenticity of influencers.</p><p>This episode reveals what's driving consumer behavior and where marketers should focus e-Commerce efforts in 2025.</p><p class="ql-align-justify">Perfect for brand managers and anyone trying to understand how people really shop online.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Welcome to Contrary to Popular Opinion</li><li>00:01:21 - DHL e-commerce trends report</li><li>00:01:55 - Weekly online shopping and mobile usage</li><li>00:02:17 - Why 79% of shoppers abandon carts over delivery options</li><li>00:02:57 - The psychology of impulse buying and "wants vs. needs"</li><li>00:05:08 - Questioning if shipping options now override product price</li><li>00:06:40 - How Amazon trained consumers to expect fast, free shipping</li><li>00:08:39 - The psychological preference for "free shipping" built into the price</li><li>00:10:10 - Generational shopping differences and the rise of Gen Z</li><li>00:11:13 - Is Amazon's dominance threatened by social shopping platforms?</li><li>00:12:00 - The role of social media in product discovery</li><li>00:14:10 - Amazon's predictive shipping algorithm</li><li>00:15:39 - Can brands be as influential as creators on social media?</li><li>00:16:59 - The argument for creator-driven commerce based on authenticity</li><li>00:19:02 - The challenge of creator credibility when paid by brands</li><li>00:24:40 - Why social commerce is the most opportunistic area right now</li><li>00:25:47 - How AI could "break and change everything"</li><li>00:26:23 - The importance of proactively controlling your brand's destiny</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd Juneau and Kelly McGuire explore why 79% of shoppers abandon their carts due to delivery options, how Gen Z's social shopping is challenging Amazon's dominance, and whether brands can ever match the authenticity of influencers.</p><p>This episode reveals what's driving consumer behavior and where marketers should focus e-Commerce efforts in 2025.</p><p class="ql-align-justify">Perfect for brand managers and anyone trying to understand how people really shop online.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Welcome to Contrary to Popular Opinion</li><li>00:01:21 - DHL e-commerce trends report</li><li>00:01:55 - Weekly online shopping and mobile usage</li><li>00:02:17 - Why 79% of shoppers abandon carts over delivery options</li><li>00:02:57 - The psychology of impulse buying and "wants vs. needs"</li><li>00:05:08 - Questioning if shipping options now override product price</li><li>00:06:40 - How Amazon trained consumers to expect fast, free shipping</li><li>00:08:39 - The psychological preference for "free shipping" built into the price</li><li>00:10:10 - Generational shopping differences and the rise of Gen Z</li><li>00:11:13 - Is Amazon's dominance threatened by social shopping platforms?</li><li>00:12:00 - The role of social media in product discovery</li><li>00:14:10 - Amazon's predictive shipping algorithm</li><li>00:15:39 - Can brands be as influential as creators on social media?</li><li>00:16:59 - The argument for creator-driven commerce based on authenticity</li><li>00:19:02 - The challenge of creator credibility when paid by brands</li><li>00:24:40 - Why social commerce is the most opportunistic area right now</li><li>00:25:47 - How AI could "break and change everything"</li><li>00:26:23 - The importance of proactively controlling your brand's destiny</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/ep-55]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">c7253c03-9ebc-4be7-b273-6beedb3566fd</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2025 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/c7253c03-9ebc-4be7-b273-6beedb3566fd.mp3" length="27006570" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>28:08</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>55</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>55</podcast:episode></item><item><title>The Case for Media Mix Modeling: Correlation Beats Guesswork</title><itunes:title>The Case for Media Mix Modeling: Correlation Beats Guesswork</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Contrary to Popular Opinion, hosts Todd and Kelly break down Media Mix Modeling (MMM) in simple terms.</p><p>They explain how this sophisticated correlation analysis gives marketers a bird's-eye view of performance across all channels, moving beyond the tunnel vision of looking at each platform in isolation.</p><p><strong>Key topics covered:</strong></p><ul><li><strong>What MMM actually is</strong>&nbsp;and why it's more than just fancy analytics</li><li><strong>When brands should make the investment</strong>&nbsp;(there's a financial threshold)</li><li><strong>The data requirements</strong>&nbsp;that make or break MMM success</li><li><strong>Why so few companies use it</strong>&nbsp;despite its game-changing potential</li><li><strong>Real barriers to adoption</strong>: cost, complexity, and corporate accountability</li></ul><br/><p>Todd and Kelly reveal how AI tools are making correlation modeling more accessible, share practical rules of thumb for budget thresholds, and walk through exactly what data you need to get started. </p><p>They also address why mid-market brands struggle with adoption and how MMM can finally give marketers the statistical ammunition they need to justify bigger budgets to skeptical CFOs.</p><p><strong>Bottom line:</strong>&nbsp;This episode shows how MMM transforms gut-feeling marketing decisions into data-driven strategies that can pinpoint your true point of diminishing returns and forecast actual ROI.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Welcome to Contrary to Popular Opinion</li><li>00:00:48 - Hosts introduce the topic: Media Mix Modeling (MMM)</li><li>00:01:33 - Defining Media Mix Modeling as correlation analysis</li><li>00:02:33 - First Topic: Busting myths about MMM</li><li>00:03:02 - The critical role of accurate and consistent data in MMM</li><li>00:05:57 - Determining when a brand should invest in MMM</li><li>00:07:12 - How AI tools have made correlation modeling more accessible</li><li>00:08:24 - A financial rule of thumb for investing in a full MMM tool</li><li>00:10:20 - When to get serious about multi-channel MMM investment</li><li>00:13:37 - Why so few mid-market brands are using sophisticated modeling</li><li>00:15:07 - Barriers to MMM adoption: cost, time, expertise, and accountability</li><li>00:17:53 - The specific data requirements needed to implement MMM</li><li>00:20:53 - How marketing decisions are typically made without MMM</li><li>00:21:58 - Real-world example of MMM application and its outputs</li><li>00:23:02 - Key outcome: Building confidence for increased media investment</li><li>00:24:51 - How MMM informs seasonality and channel budget allocation</li><li>00:27:18 - Final thoughts on why marketers can't afford to ignore MMM</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Contrary to Popular Opinion, hosts Todd and Kelly break down Media Mix Modeling (MMM) in simple terms.</p><p>They explain how this sophisticated correlation analysis gives marketers a bird's-eye view of performance across all channels, moving beyond the tunnel vision of looking at each platform in isolation.</p><p><strong>Key topics covered:</strong></p><ul><li><strong>What MMM actually is</strong>&nbsp;and why it's more than just fancy analytics</li><li><strong>When brands should make the investment</strong>&nbsp;(there's a financial threshold)</li><li><strong>The data requirements</strong>&nbsp;that make or break MMM success</li><li><strong>Why so few companies use it</strong>&nbsp;despite its game-changing potential</li><li><strong>Real barriers to adoption</strong>: cost, complexity, and corporate accountability</li></ul><br/><p>Todd and Kelly reveal how AI tools are making correlation modeling more accessible, share practical rules of thumb for budget thresholds, and walk through exactly what data you need to get started. </p><p>They also address why mid-market brands struggle with adoption and how MMM can finally give marketers the statistical ammunition they need to justify bigger budgets to skeptical CFOs.</p><p><strong>Bottom line:</strong>&nbsp;This episode shows how MMM transforms gut-feeling marketing decisions into data-driven strategies that can pinpoint your true point of diminishing returns and forecast actual ROI.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Welcome to Contrary to Popular Opinion</li><li>00:00:48 - Hosts introduce the topic: Media Mix Modeling (MMM)</li><li>00:01:33 - Defining Media Mix Modeling as correlation analysis</li><li>00:02:33 - First Topic: Busting myths about MMM</li><li>00:03:02 - The critical role of accurate and consistent data in MMM</li><li>00:05:57 - Determining when a brand should invest in MMM</li><li>00:07:12 - How AI tools have made correlation modeling more accessible</li><li>00:08:24 - A financial rule of thumb for investing in a full MMM tool</li><li>00:10:20 - When to get serious about multi-channel MMM investment</li><li>00:13:37 - Why so few mid-market brands are using sophisticated modeling</li><li>00:15:07 - Barriers to MMM adoption: cost, time, expertise, and accountability</li><li>00:17:53 - The specific data requirements needed to implement MMM</li><li>00:20:53 - How marketing decisions are typically made without MMM</li><li>00:21:58 - Real-world example of MMM application and its outputs</li><li>00:23:02 - Key outcome: Building confidence for increased media investment</li><li>00:24:51 - How MMM informs seasonality and channel budget allocation</li><li>00:27:18 - Final thoughts on why marketers can't afford to ignore MMM</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/mmm-episode]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">6d5fc41d-161f-4fdf-89ff-9a642eacb687</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2025 10:45:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/6d5fc41d-161f-4fdf-89ff-9a642eacb687.mp3" length="68942366" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>28:44</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>54</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>54</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Sydney Sweeney &amp; American Eagle: The Double-Edged Sword of Celebrity Branding</title><itunes:title>Sydney Sweeney &amp; American Eagle: The Double-Edged Sword of Celebrity Branding</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Todd and Kelly explore the cultural firestorm around&nbsp;<strong>Sydney Sweeney's American Eagle campaign. </strong>They explore the dynamics around the campaign and what it reveals about today's advertising environment. </p><p>They debate whether Sweeney is a&nbsp;<em>good brand ambassador</em>&nbsp;or an example of the&nbsp;<em>double-edged sword</em>&nbsp;of celebrity endorsements. They analyze how&nbsp;<strong>sex appeal, polarization, and politics</strong>&nbsp;shape consumer perception. The question of whether brands should chase short-term virality or focus on long-term brand equity, is also a part of the discussion. </p><p>From the blurred lines between&nbsp;<em>jeans and "genetic genes"</em>&nbsp;to the unpredictability of social media backlash, they investigate how advertising must both&nbsp;<em>break through the noise</em>&nbsp;and stay true to brand values. </p><p>Ultimately, Todd calls the campaign a deliberate lightning rod, while Kelly frames it as an&nbsp;<em>ongoing story</em>&nbsp;that demonstrates how in today's polarizing environment, every bold move comes with both risks and rewards.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li class="ql-align-justify"><strong>00:00:00 - Welcome to the Contrary to Popular Opinion Podcast</strong></li><li class="ql-align-justify"><strong>00:01:59 - Celebrity Branding and the Role of Brand Ambassadors</strong></li><li class="ql-align-justify"><strong>00:03:00 - The New Reality of Risk and Polarization in Advertising</strong></li><li class="ql-align-justify"><strong>00:06:50 - Separating Performer from Persona in Brand Campaigns</strong></li><li class="ql-align-justify"><strong>00:08:58 - Political Fallout, Stock Impact, and Brand Risk</strong></li><li class="ql-align-justify"><strong>00:10:48 - Navigating Neutrality and the Challenge of Corporate Values</strong></li><li class="ql-align-justify"><strong>00:14:20 - The Need to Break Through and Capture Attention</strong></li><li class="ql-align-justify"><strong>00:16:15 - Sex Appeal as a Modern Advertising Strategy</strong></li><li class="ql-align-justify"><strong>00:16:59 - Tapping into Human Emotion and Universal Motivators</strong></li><li class="ql-align-justify"><strong>00:19:48 - Handling Social Media Outrage and Backlash</strong></li><li class="ql-align-justify"><strong>00:23:25 - Branding Misstep or Strategic Lightning Rod</strong></li><li class="ql-align-justify"><strong>00:24:03 - An “Unfinished Book” and the Uncertain Outcome Ahead</strong></li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Todd and Kelly explore the cultural firestorm around&nbsp;<strong>Sydney Sweeney's American Eagle campaign. </strong>They explore the dynamics around the campaign and what it reveals about today's advertising environment. </p><p>They debate whether Sweeney is a&nbsp;<em>good brand ambassador</em>&nbsp;or an example of the&nbsp;<em>double-edged sword</em>&nbsp;of celebrity endorsements. They analyze how&nbsp;<strong>sex appeal, polarization, and politics</strong>&nbsp;shape consumer perception. The question of whether brands should chase short-term virality or focus on long-term brand equity, is also a part of the discussion. </p><p>From the blurred lines between&nbsp;<em>jeans and "genetic genes"</em>&nbsp;to the unpredictability of social media backlash, they investigate how advertising must both&nbsp;<em>break through the noise</em>&nbsp;and stay true to brand values. </p><p>Ultimately, Todd calls the campaign a deliberate lightning rod, while Kelly frames it as an&nbsp;<em>ongoing story</em>&nbsp;that demonstrates how in today's polarizing environment, every bold move comes with both risks and rewards.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li class="ql-align-justify"><strong>00:00:00 - Welcome to the Contrary to Popular Opinion Podcast</strong></li><li class="ql-align-justify"><strong>00:01:59 - Celebrity Branding and the Role of Brand Ambassadors</strong></li><li class="ql-align-justify"><strong>00:03:00 - The New Reality of Risk and Polarization in Advertising</strong></li><li class="ql-align-justify"><strong>00:06:50 - Separating Performer from Persona in Brand Campaigns</strong></li><li class="ql-align-justify"><strong>00:08:58 - Political Fallout, Stock Impact, and Brand Risk</strong></li><li class="ql-align-justify"><strong>00:10:48 - Navigating Neutrality and the Challenge of Corporate Values</strong></li><li class="ql-align-justify"><strong>00:14:20 - The Need to Break Through and Capture Attention</strong></li><li class="ql-align-justify"><strong>00:16:15 - Sex Appeal as a Modern Advertising Strategy</strong></li><li class="ql-align-justify"><strong>00:16:59 - Tapping into Human Emotion and Universal Motivators</strong></li><li class="ql-align-justify"><strong>00:19:48 - Handling Social Media Outrage and Backlash</strong></li><li class="ql-align-justify"><strong>00:23:25 - Branding Misstep or Strategic Lightning Rod</strong></li><li class="ql-align-justify"><strong>00:24:03 - An “Unfinished Book” and the Uncertain Outcome Ahead</strong></li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/sydney-sweeneys-episode]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">7a32a63b-5112-4522-8595-5380957a46ca</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2025 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/7a32a63b-5112-4522-8595-5380957a46ca.mp3" length="64404374" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>26:50</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>53</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>53</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Small Fish, Big Pond: The Truth About Agency Priority</title><itunes:title>Small Fish, Big Pond: The Truth About Agency Priority</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>this week's episode, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau?miniProfileUrn=urn%3Ali%3Afs_miniProfile%3AACoAAABntdoB0fakrYBF2_se2GXuwuk_8AlGA9s" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Todd Juneau</a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellytmaguire?miniProfileUrn=urn%3Ali%3Afs_miniProfile%3AACoAAABd_QkB3Nvl6fZo_Hne1i9WibjXCt5EAyQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kelly Maguire</a> reflect on a recent <em>Ad Age</em> article on the rise of independent media agencies — and explore the strengths and nuances of indie agencies versus HoldCo agencies.</p><p>They address one of the real differentiators: client priority. From “small fish in a big pond” dynamics to the willingness of indie agencies to do what it takes to achieve results for their clients. They explore how agency size, processes, and people shape results.</p><p>It’s a candid look at the indie vs. HoldCo debate, loaded with on-the-ground insights for marketing leaders working their way through today’s agency world.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Kicking Off with Candid Industry Insights</li><li>00:00:45 - Todd &amp; Kelly Take the Mic</li><li>00:01:01 - Why Indie Media Agencies Are Winning Big</li><li>00:02:02 - Speed vs. Agility: The Real Edge in Advertising</li><li>00:03:17 - How Client Priority Can Make or Break Your Results</li><li>00:09:35 - Big Agency Scale: Strength or Stumbling Block?</li><li>00:22:00 - Chasing Cost Savings at the Expense of Quality</li><li>00:30:38 - Finding Your Fit: Choosing the Right Agency Partner</li><li>00:38:49 - Wrapping Up with Unfiltered Takeaways</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this week's episode, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau?miniProfileUrn=urn%3Ali%3Afs_miniProfile%3AACoAAABntdoB0fakrYBF2_se2GXuwuk_8AlGA9s" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Todd Juneau</a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellytmaguire?miniProfileUrn=urn%3Ali%3Afs_miniProfile%3AACoAAABd_QkB3Nvl6fZo_Hne1i9WibjXCt5EAyQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kelly Maguire</a> reflect on a recent <em>Ad Age</em> article on the rise of independent media agencies — and explore the strengths and nuances of indie agencies versus HoldCo agencies.</p><p>They address one of the real differentiators: client priority. From “small fish in a big pond” dynamics to the willingness of indie agencies to do what it takes to achieve results for their clients. They explore how agency size, processes, and people shape results.</p><p>It’s a candid look at the indie vs. HoldCo debate, loaded with on-the-ground insights for marketing leaders working their way through today’s agency world.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Kicking Off with Candid Industry Insights</li><li>00:00:45 - Todd &amp; Kelly Take the Mic</li><li>00:01:01 - Why Indie Media Agencies Are Winning Big</li><li>00:02:02 - Speed vs. Agility: The Real Edge in Advertising</li><li>00:03:17 - How Client Priority Can Make or Break Your Results</li><li>00:09:35 - Big Agency Scale: Strength or Stumbling Block?</li><li>00:22:00 - Chasing Cost Savings at the Expense of Quality</li><li>00:30:38 - Finding Your Fit: Choosing the Right Agency Partner</li><li>00:38:49 - Wrapping Up with Unfiltered Takeaways</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/inside-the-indie-agency-playbook-for-faster-results]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">3395e0af-c3bd-4adf-9b3b-8b483ee9fa3d</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2025 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/3395e0af-c3bd-4adf-9b3b-8b483ee9fa3d.mp3" length="95238365" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>39:41</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>52</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>52</podcast:episode></item><item><title>You&apos;re Not Buying Media, You&apos;re Buying Outcomes</title><itunes:title>You&apos;re Not Buying Media, You&apos;re Buying Outcomes</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p><strong>You're Not Buying Media, You're Buying Outcomes</strong></p><p>Media buying is evolving faster than ever, and smart marketers are rethinking what they're actually purchasing when they invest in advertising.</p><p>In this thought-provoking episode, Todd and Kelly explore a fundamental shift happening across the industry: the rise of principal media buying, where agencies and platforms pre-purchase inventory and resell it to brands. </p><p>This approach has expanded significantly across digital channels, from Meta to programmatic display, fundamentally changing how media gets bought and sold.</p><p>But here's the strategic question every marketer needs to answer: Are you optimizing for cheap media or profitable outcomes?</p><p><strong>What Todd and Kelly explore:</strong></p><ul><li>How principal buying models work across digital and emerging channels</li><li>Why "buying power" isn't always the competitive advantage it appears to be</li><li>The evolution of inventory pre-buying in modern media planning</li><li>Smart questions to ask when evaluating any media partnership</li><li>How to align agency incentives with business outcomes, regardless of buying model</li></ul><br/><p>The reality is that different buying approaches (whether programmatic, direct, or principal models) each come with distinct advantages and trade-offs. The most successful marketers understand these dynamics and choose partners who can navigate them transparently.</p><p><strong>The strategic insight:</strong>&nbsp;The goal of any media investment should be turning spend into measurable business growth. The key is ensuring your partners are optimizing for your success, not just media efficiency.</p><p>With insights like <em>“you’re not buying media, you’re buying outcomes,”</em> this episode is a wake-up call for CMOs chasing efficiency at the cost of impact and outcomes.</p><p><em>Ready to elevate your media strategy beyond just buying cheap impressions? This conversation will shift how you think about partnership, transparency, and what really drives results.</em></p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Setting the Stage: Real Talk Between Founders</li><li>00:00:55 - The Topic No One’s Naming (But Everyone’s Doing)</li><li>00:01:09 - When Media Buying Stopped Making Sense</li><li>00:02:31 - Pre-Buying, Markups, and Agency Incentives</li><li>00:08:06 - Trust, Transparency, and What Clients Deserve</li><li>00:10:04 - Why Most Media Plans Miss the Point</li><li>00:15:59 - If I Were CMO… Here’s What I’d Ask</li><li>00:26:24 - One Dollar Should Give You More Than a Dollar Back</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>You're Not Buying Media, You're Buying Outcomes</strong></p><p>Media buying is evolving faster than ever, and smart marketers are rethinking what they're actually purchasing when they invest in advertising.</p><p>In this thought-provoking episode, Todd and Kelly explore a fundamental shift happening across the industry: the rise of principal media buying, where agencies and platforms pre-purchase inventory and resell it to brands. </p><p>This approach has expanded significantly across digital channels, from Meta to programmatic display, fundamentally changing how media gets bought and sold.</p><p>But here's the strategic question every marketer needs to answer: Are you optimizing for cheap media or profitable outcomes?</p><p><strong>What Todd and Kelly explore:</strong></p><ul><li>How principal buying models work across digital and emerging channels</li><li>Why "buying power" isn't always the competitive advantage it appears to be</li><li>The evolution of inventory pre-buying in modern media planning</li><li>Smart questions to ask when evaluating any media partnership</li><li>How to align agency incentives with business outcomes, regardless of buying model</li></ul><br/><p>The reality is that different buying approaches (whether programmatic, direct, or principal models) each come with distinct advantages and trade-offs. The most successful marketers understand these dynamics and choose partners who can navigate them transparently.</p><p><strong>The strategic insight:</strong>&nbsp;The goal of any media investment should be turning spend into measurable business growth. The key is ensuring your partners are optimizing for your success, not just media efficiency.</p><p>With insights like <em>“you’re not buying media, you’re buying outcomes,”</em> this episode is a wake-up call for CMOs chasing efficiency at the cost of impact and outcomes.</p><p><em>Ready to elevate your media strategy beyond just buying cheap impressions? This conversation will shift how you think about partnership, transparency, and what really drives results.</em></p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Setting the Stage: Real Talk Between Founders</li><li>00:00:55 - The Topic No One’s Naming (But Everyone’s Doing)</li><li>00:01:09 - When Media Buying Stopped Making Sense</li><li>00:02:31 - Pre-Buying, Markups, and Agency Incentives</li><li>00:08:06 - Trust, Transparency, and What Clients Deserve</li><li>00:10:04 - Why Most Media Plans Miss the Point</li><li>00:15:59 - If I Were CMO… Here’s What I’d Ask</li><li>00:26:24 - One Dollar Should Give You More Than a Dollar Back</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/trust-but-verify-when-your-agencys-interests-arent-yours]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">9fdef662-7d36-45ed-8bd9-25a1af866e63</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2025 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/9fdef662-7d36-45ed-8bd9-25a1af866e63.mp3" length="69315492" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>28:53</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>51</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>51</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Beyond Performance: The Real ROI in 2025</title><itunes:title>Beyond Performance: The Real ROI in 2025</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau?miniProfileUrn=urn%3Ali%3Afs_miniProfile%3AACoAAABntdoB0fakrYBF2_se2GXuwuk_8AlGA9s" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Todd Juneau</a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellytmaguire?miniProfileUrn=urn%3Ali%3Afs_miniProfile%3AACoAAABd_QkB3Nvl6fZo_Hne1i9WibjXCt5EAyQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kelly Maguire</a> share why the most successful brands think like orchard owners. They nurture long-term brand value while still harvesting performance wins today.</p><p>It's not about choosing sides in the brand vs. performance debate; it's about understanding that they're two sides of the same coin.</p><h3>What You'll Discover in This Episode:</h3><p>Brand Loyalty vs. Algorithm Loyalty&nbsp;→ Why customers who love your brand convert at 3x the rate of those who just clicked your ad</p><p>The Storytelling-to-Sales Pipeline&nbsp;→ How authentic connection can turn casual browsers into lifetime customers</p><p>The Creator Economy Truth Bomb&nbsp;→ Why influencers are secretly your most powerful brand amplifiers (when used correctly)</p><p>The 2025 ROI Framework&nbsp;→ How to marry brand depth with performance dollars for maximum impact</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Kicking Off: Why a Holistic Marketing Mindset Wins</li><li>00:00:57 - Your Guides: Todd &amp; Kelly Unfiltered</li><li>00:01:18 - Cannes Chaos: What Marketers Should Really Take Away</li><li>00:03:08 - Brand Power: Still the Ultimate Marketing Edge</li><li>00:05:35 - Clash or Combo? Performance vs. Brand Building</li><li>00:09:18 - Storytelling That Sells: Turning Clicks Into Loyalty</li><li>00:26:03 - Creators &amp; Influencers: The Hidden Brand Amplifiers</li><li>00:34:35 - Wrapping Up: Marrying Brand Depth With Performance Dollars</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau?miniProfileUrn=urn%3Ali%3Afs_miniProfile%3AACoAAABntdoB0fakrYBF2_se2GXuwuk_8AlGA9s" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Todd Juneau</a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellytmaguire?miniProfileUrn=urn%3Ali%3Afs_miniProfile%3AACoAAABd_QkB3Nvl6fZo_Hne1i9WibjXCt5EAyQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kelly Maguire</a> share why the most successful brands think like orchard owners. They nurture long-term brand value while still harvesting performance wins today.</p><p>It's not about choosing sides in the brand vs. performance debate; it's about understanding that they're two sides of the same coin.</p><h3>What You'll Discover in This Episode:</h3><p>Brand Loyalty vs. Algorithm Loyalty&nbsp;→ Why customers who love your brand convert at 3x the rate of those who just clicked your ad</p><p>The Storytelling-to-Sales Pipeline&nbsp;→ How authentic connection can turn casual browsers into lifetime customers</p><p>The Creator Economy Truth Bomb&nbsp;→ Why influencers are secretly your most powerful brand amplifiers (when used correctly)</p><p>The 2025 ROI Framework&nbsp;→ How to marry brand depth with performance dollars for maximum impact</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Kicking Off: Why a Holistic Marketing Mindset Wins</li><li>00:00:57 - Your Guides: Todd &amp; Kelly Unfiltered</li><li>00:01:18 - Cannes Chaos: What Marketers Should Really Take Away</li><li>00:03:08 - Brand Power: Still the Ultimate Marketing Edge</li><li>00:05:35 - Clash or Combo? Performance vs. Brand Building</li><li>00:09:18 - Storytelling That Sells: Turning Clicks Into Loyalty</li><li>00:26:03 - Creators &amp; Influencers: The Hidden Brand Amplifiers</li><li>00:34:35 - Wrapping Up: Marrying Brand Depth With Performance Dollars</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/beyond-performance-the-real-roi-in-2025]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">d2ce7572-c523-4343-a08c-3f01eb930d98</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2025 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/d2ce7572-c523-4343-a08c-3f01eb930d98.mp3" length="91251034" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>38:01</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>50</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>50</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Beyond the Award: Building Culture That Actually Drives Performance</title><itunes:title>Beyond the Award: Building Culture That Actually Drives Performance</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>What does it <em>really</em> take to build an award-winning agency culture in an industry obsessed with clicks and fees?</p><p>In this episode, Todd and Kelly talk about why being named an Inc. 500 Best Workplaces 2025 Honoree actually matters, and why it’s more than a vanity metric.</p><p>They discuss the invisible ROI of trust, empathy, and collaboration. They explore how low turnover, emotional intelligence, and thoughtful hiring translate into smarter media strategies and lasting client value.</p><p>From confronting the paradox of scaling intimacy to battling rising costs in a race-to-the-bottom industry, this candid conversation challenges traditional agency models and offers a fresh look at what truly drives performance.</p><p>If you’ve ever wondered how to retain A-level talent, differentiate beyond platforms, or build a workplace where people don’t just stay, but thrive - this one's for you.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Kicking Things Off: The Power of Real Collaboration</li><li>00:00:59 - Meet Your Hosts: Kelly and Todd in the Spotlight</li><li>00:01:08 - Big Win Alert: Inc. Best Places to Work Celebration</li><li>00:02:11 - What a Genuine Work Culture Really Looks Like</li><li>00:03:14 - Growing Pains: How the Workplace Has Evolved</li><li>00:07:53 - Trust, Tight Teams, and the Magic of Collaboration</li><li>00:14:35 - How to Spot, Hire, and Keep A-Players on Your Team</li><li>00:16:59 - Scaling Smart: Balancing Headcount with Overhead</li><li>00:24:44 - Parting Thoughts: Gratitude, Growth, and Looking Ahead</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does it <em>really</em> take to build an award-winning agency culture in an industry obsessed with clicks and fees?</p><p>In this episode, Todd and Kelly talk about why being named an Inc. 500 Best Workplaces 2025 Honoree actually matters, and why it’s more than a vanity metric.</p><p>They discuss the invisible ROI of trust, empathy, and collaboration. They explore how low turnover, emotional intelligence, and thoughtful hiring translate into smarter media strategies and lasting client value.</p><p>From confronting the paradox of scaling intimacy to battling rising costs in a race-to-the-bottom industry, this candid conversation challenges traditional agency models and offers a fresh look at what truly drives performance.</p><p>If you’ve ever wondered how to retain A-level talent, differentiate beyond platforms, or build a workplace where people don’t just stay, but thrive - this one's for you.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Kicking Things Off: The Power of Real Collaboration</li><li>00:00:59 - Meet Your Hosts: Kelly and Todd in the Spotlight</li><li>00:01:08 - Big Win Alert: Inc. Best Places to Work Celebration</li><li>00:02:11 - What a Genuine Work Culture Really Looks Like</li><li>00:03:14 - Growing Pains: How the Workplace Has Evolved</li><li>00:07:53 - Trust, Tight Teams, and the Magic of Collaboration</li><li>00:14:35 - How to Spot, Hire, and Keep A-Players on Your Team</li><li>00:16:59 - Scaling Smart: Balancing Headcount with Overhead</li><li>00:24:44 - Parting Thoughts: Gratitude, Growth, and Looking Ahead</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/why-great-culture-is-harder-than-great-creative]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">f847c809-38a5-4b0c-80d3-bea05f307960</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2025 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/f847c809-38a5-4b0c-80d3-bea05f307960.mp3" length="74003949" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>30:50</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>49</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>49</podcast:episode></item><item><title>AI and Marketing : Separating Hype from Real Utility</title><itunes:title>AI and Marketing : Separating Hype from Real Utility</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Todd and Kelly tackle one of the hottest debates in marketing: how real is AI’s impact, and where does the human touch still matter? </p><p>They discuss the buzz around “Agentic AI,” the emergence of synthetic personas for focus group replacement, and why creativity and analytics still demand human nuance. </p><p>With sharp insights and a bit of friction, they challenge the value of custom-built AI tools, debate whether proprietary agency tech really delivers unique results, and explore the evolving agency-client relationship in the era of AI. </p><p>If you’re a marketer trying to make sense of the AI hype, this episode delivers the clarity and controversy you need.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Can AI Really Do Our Jobs? Opening Thoughts from Todd and Kelly</li><li>00:01:17 - Behind the Scenes at an AI-Heavy Agency Conference</li><li>00:02:33 - The Great AI Debate: Tool or Talent Replacement?</li><li>00:04:30 - Human-Driven AI: Why Autonomy Isn’t Here Yet</li><li>00:08:15 - "Build vs. Buy" Showdown: What Are Agencies Really Selling?</li><li>00:12:47 - Synthetic Personas: The End of Focus Groups as We Know Them?</li><li>00:14:10 - Training AI with First-Party Data: Superhuman or Super Risky?</li><li>00:15:26 - Are Agencies Building Tools—or Just Branding Over APIs?</li><li>00:16:45 - Paint-by-Numbers AI: Creative Shortcut or Strategic Compromise?</li><li>00:18:02 - Is Proprietary Just a Sales Pitch? What Clients <em>Really</em> Buy Into</li><li>00:19:33 - Slick UI, Same Engine: When Packaging Beats Performance</li><li>00:21:00 - Why the Best Agencies Still Bet on People Over Platforms</li><li>00:22:38 - Can You Automate Strategy? The Fatal Flaw in "Build Mentality"</li><li>00:24:14 - The Real Agency Differentiator: Talent, Not Tools</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd and Kelly tackle one of the hottest debates in marketing: how real is AI’s impact, and where does the human touch still matter? </p><p>They discuss the buzz around “Agentic AI,” the emergence of synthetic personas for focus group replacement, and why creativity and analytics still demand human nuance. </p><p>With sharp insights and a bit of friction, they challenge the value of custom-built AI tools, debate whether proprietary agency tech really delivers unique results, and explore the evolving agency-client relationship in the era of AI. </p><p>If you’re a marketer trying to make sense of the AI hype, this episode delivers the clarity and controversy you need.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Can AI Really Do Our Jobs? Opening Thoughts from Todd and Kelly</li><li>00:01:17 - Behind the Scenes at an AI-Heavy Agency Conference</li><li>00:02:33 - The Great AI Debate: Tool or Talent Replacement?</li><li>00:04:30 - Human-Driven AI: Why Autonomy Isn’t Here Yet</li><li>00:08:15 - "Build vs. Buy" Showdown: What Are Agencies Really Selling?</li><li>00:12:47 - Synthetic Personas: The End of Focus Groups as We Know Them?</li><li>00:14:10 - Training AI with First-Party Data: Superhuman or Super Risky?</li><li>00:15:26 - Are Agencies Building Tools—or Just Branding Over APIs?</li><li>00:16:45 - Paint-by-Numbers AI: Creative Shortcut or Strategic Compromise?</li><li>00:18:02 - Is Proprietary Just a Sales Pitch? What Clients <em>Really</em> Buy Into</li><li>00:19:33 - Slick UI, Same Engine: When Packaging Beats Performance</li><li>00:21:00 - Why the Best Agencies Still Bet on People Over Platforms</li><li>00:22:38 - Can You Automate Strategy? The Fatal Flaw in "Build Mentality"</li><li>00:24:14 - The Real Agency Differentiator: Talent, Not Tools</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/needs-title-todd-and-kelly]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">0c66bd38-49b2-41e5-a5d7-ffcd93d13080</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2025 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/0c66bd38-49b2-41e5-a5d7-ffcd93d13080.mp3" length="80457239" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>33:31</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>48</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>48</podcast:episode></item><item><title>AI, CRO &amp; the New Rules of Consumer Engagement with Matt Crincoli</title><itunes:title>AI, CRO &amp; the New Rules of Consumer Engagement with Matt Crincoli</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Todd and Kelly sit down with strategic digital leader Matt Crincoli, to discuss the real meaning of conversion rate optimization (CRO) in today’s marketing mix. </p><p>Together, they dismantle previous tactics, like changing button colors to influence engagement and conversions, and dive into what really makes a difference today: </p><ul><li>strategic personalization</li><li>journey mapping</li><li>and AI-powered agility.</li></ul><br/><p>Matt shares why a strong CRO process not only improves media ROI but also creates resilient digital infrastructures that can pivot fast in a volatile market. </p><p>From AI-generated landing pages to the rise of agentic AI, this is a no-fluff masterclass for marketers who want more than surface-level tactics.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 – Rethinking the Role of Creative Teams: From Tweaks to Transformations</li><li>00:01:03 – Powerhouse Perspectives: Meet Todd, Kelly &amp; CRO Pro Matt Crincoli</li><li>00:01:29 – CRO, Reimagined: It’s More Than Just Conversions</li><li>00:03:01 – Landing Pages That Actually Work (And Why Most Don’t)</li><li>00:03:49 – From Friction to Flow: Designing for Real User Behavior</li><li>00:06:25 – How AI is Turbocharging CRO (and Killing Old Excuses)</li><li>00:09:01 – Why Creative Consistency Beats Flashy Design Every Time</li><li>00:20:53 – Process Makes Perfect: Building CRO Strategies That Flex and Scale</li><li>00:32:45 – AI, AGI, and the CRO Future That’s Already Here</li><li>00:34:51 – Final Thoughts: Why Smart Marketers Still Matter in an AI World</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd and Kelly sit down with strategic digital leader Matt Crincoli, to discuss the real meaning of conversion rate optimization (CRO) in today’s marketing mix. </p><p>Together, they dismantle previous tactics, like changing button colors to influence engagement and conversions, and dive into what really makes a difference today: </p><ul><li>strategic personalization</li><li>journey mapping</li><li>and AI-powered agility.</li></ul><br/><p>Matt shares why a strong CRO process not only improves media ROI but also creates resilient digital infrastructures that can pivot fast in a volatile market. </p><p>From AI-generated landing pages to the rise of agentic AI, this is a no-fluff masterclass for marketers who want more than surface-level tactics.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 – Rethinking the Role of Creative Teams: From Tweaks to Transformations</li><li>00:01:03 – Powerhouse Perspectives: Meet Todd, Kelly &amp; CRO Pro Matt Crincoli</li><li>00:01:29 – CRO, Reimagined: It’s More Than Just Conversions</li><li>00:03:01 – Landing Pages That Actually Work (And Why Most Don’t)</li><li>00:03:49 – From Friction to Flow: Designing for Real User Behavior</li><li>00:06:25 – How AI is Turbocharging CRO (and Killing Old Excuses)</li><li>00:09:01 – Why Creative Consistency Beats Flashy Design Every Time</li><li>00:20:53 – Process Makes Perfect: Building CRO Strategies That Flex and Scale</li><li>00:32:45 – AI, AGI, and the CRO Future That’s Already Here</li><li>00:34:51 – Final Thoughts: Why Smart Marketers Still Matter in an AI World</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/ai-cro-the-new-rules-of-consumer-engagement-with-matt-crincoli]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">aca54459-3c09-459e-92b5-d7c9e4cc64bd</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2025 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/aca54459-3c09-459e-92b5-d7c9e4cc64bd.mp3" length="84939851" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>35:23</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>47</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>47</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Tariffs, Tactics, and Tough Calls: Marketing Strategy in Uncertain Times</title><itunes:title>Tariffs, Tactics, and Tough Calls: Marketing Strategy in Uncertain Times</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Todd and Kelly dissect the marketing decisions brands must make during economic turbulence, specifically in the face of new tariffs and rising costs. </p><p>They explore whether brands should pull back on media spend or double down to capture market share. </p><p>Using insights from past crises like COVID-19, they emphasize why smart, analytical marketing and not emotional knee-jerk responses is crucial right now. </p><p>From reevaluating media buying strategies to adjusting communications without eroding consumer trust, Todd and Kelly outline how brand managers and marketers can pivot intelligently.</p><p>They discuss how to protect long-term brand equity, and unlock hidden opportunities even in a tightening economy.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Kicking Off: How Economic Cycles Shape Smart Marketers</li><li>00:00:48 - Tariffs Are Here: What It Means for Brands and Buyers</li><li>00:01:32 - Fight or Flight: Marketing Moves During Market Mayhem</li><li>00:03:08 - Cracking the Code: Consumer Behavior and Media Price Shifts</li><li>00:06:55 - Tactical Pivots: Winning Marketing Plays in Tough Times</li><li>00:10:18 - Price Hikes? How to Protect Your Brand and Keep Customers</li><li>00:15:00 - Planting Seeds Now: Crafting a Future-Proof Marketing Strategy</li><li>00:28:59 - Wrapping Up: Staying Sharp, Bold, and Ready for the Upswing</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd and Kelly dissect the marketing decisions brands must make during economic turbulence, specifically in the face of new tariffs and rising costs. </p><p>They explore whether brands should pull back on media spend or double down to capture market share. </p><p>Using insights from past crises like COVID-19, they emphasize why smart, analytical marketing and not emotional knee-jerk responses is crucial right now. </p><p>From reevaluating media buying strategies to adjusting communications without eroding consumer trust, Todd and Kelly outline how brand managers and marketers can pivot intelligently.</p><p>They discuss how to protect long-term brand equity, and unlock hidden opportunities even in a tightening economy.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Kicking Off: How Economic Cycles Shape Smart Marketers</li><li>00:00:48 - Tariffs Are Here: What It Means for Brands and Buyers</li><li>00:01:32 - Fight or Flight: Marketing Moves During Market Mayhem</li><li>00:03:08 - Cracking the Code: Consumer Behavior and Media Price Shifts</li><li>00:06:55 - Tactical Pivots: Winning Marketing Plays in Tough Times</li><li>00:10:18 - Price Hikes? How to Protect Your Brand and Keep Customers</li><li>00:15:00 - Planting Seeds Now: Crafting a Future-Proof Marketing Strategy</li><li>00:28:59 - Wrapping Up: Staying Sharp, Bold, and Ready for the Upswing</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/tariffs-tactics-and-tough-calls-marketing-strategy-in-uncertain-times]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">fe2b8423-14a7-40d8-8029-25643a393dd7</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2025 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/30e006f0-abcc-4555-b379-421f7fe7214e/Todd-and-Kelly-0429-Final.mp3" length="89046300" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>37:06</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>46</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>46</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Seismic Shifts: How Advertising, Agencies, and Value Are Being Rewritten</title><itunes:title>Seismic Shifts: How Advertising, Agencies, and Value Are Being Rewritten</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this sharp, thought-provoking rewind episode, we dive into some of the common fundamental disconnects in today’s agency-client relationships. </p><p>From dissecting the semantics of "fee" vs "compensation" to exposing how media transparency is often an illusion. We explore and challenge industry norms with data-backed insights and candid commentary. </p><p>You'll hear hard truths about agency utilization models, the real costs behind "cheap" campaigns, and how AI is poised to disrupt the future of advertising and how work is done. </p><p>Whether you're a brand exec navigating budget pressure or an agency leader rethinking value delivery, this episode offers crucial takeaways around trust, strategy, and staying competitive in our tech-driven marketing world.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Rewind Begins: ROI, Transparency &amp; AI—No B.S. Breakdown </li><li>00:00:47 - <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/2auiWx4qHWnNyiCWNDhRIo?si=wk8ldzI5S2OUCLX97C3vIA" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Navigating Transparency in Media Buying</a></li><li>00:17:35 - <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/0JYvEWr7mnjr8cnN6xJFwc?si=AxBDM7tITkyJSSkW_MzocA" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Could AI Replace Media Agencies?</a></li><li>00:27:28 - <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/2XMiXOjX6zjt1X31LaSwHC?si=C2NvM8kzQOOjkZsKTm2-vw" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">How Emerging Brands Are Leveraging Marketing Mix Modeling with Beatrice Ellington</a></li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this sharp, thought-provoking rewind episode, we dive into some of the common fundamental disconnects in today’s agency-client relationships. </p><p>From dissecting the semantics of "fee" vs "compensation" to exposing how media transparency is often an illusion. We explore and challenge industry norms with data-backed insights and candid commentary. </p><p>You'll hear hard truths about agency utilization models, the real costs behind "cheap" campaigns, and how AI is poised to disrupt the future of advertising and how work is done. </p><p>Whether you're a brand exec navigating budget pressure or an agency leader rethinking value delivery, this episode offers crucial takeaways around trust, strategy, and staying competitive in our tech-driven marketing world.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Rewind Begins: ROI, Transparency &amp; AI—No B.S. Breakdown </li><li>00:00:47 - <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/2auiWx4qHWnNyiCWNDhRIo?si=wk8ldzI5S2OUCLX97C3vIA" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Navigating Transparency in Media Buying</a></li><li>00:17:35 - <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/0JYvEWr7mnjr8cnN6xJFwc?si=AxBDM7tITkyJSSkW_MzocA" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Could AI Replace Media Agencies?</a></li><li>00:27:28 - <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/2XMiXOjX6zjt1X31LaSwHC?si=C2NvM8kzQOOjkZsKTm2-vw" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">How Emerging Brands Are Leveraging Marketing Mix Modeling with Beatrice Ellington</a></li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/agency-models-broken-promises-the-value-equation-a-rewind]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">8a55e451-b341-4265-8136-3609141b0554</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2025 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/83db7eee-b4ba-4c80-aca9-9e568074539c/CPO-0423-Rewind-Episode.mp3" length="86868732" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>36:12</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>45</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>45</podcast:episode></item><item><title>The $50B Shift: Why Retail Media Networks are Marketing’s Next Frontier</title><itunes:title>The $50B Shift: Why Retail Media Networks are Marketing’s Next Frontier</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In our latest episode, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau?miniProfileUrn=urn%3Ali%3Afs_miniProfile%3AACoAAABntdoB0fakrYBF2_se2GXuwuk_8AlGA9s" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Todd Juneau</a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellytmaguire?miniProfileUrn=urn%3Ali%3Afs_miniProfile%3AACoAAABd_QkB3Nvl6fZo_Hne1i9WibjXCt5EAyQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kelly Maguire</a> dive into the complex world of retail media networks with strategic marketing leader and expert <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattcrincoli?miniProfileUrn=urn%3Ali%3Afs_miniProfile%3AACoAAA2RqugBbJr6gmwVPePpp6s4g4YLdygj0m4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Matt Crincoli</a>.</p><p>Drawing on his experience at Amazon, Walmart, Huckberry, Charlotte's Web and more, Matt explains what retail media networks really are.</p><p>He addresses why Amazon’s ad console is essential learning ground, and how marketers can avoid the trap of overhyped tools.</p><p>Matt addresses everything from leveraging data across platforms like Instacart and Chewy to understanding incrementality, and the illusion of silver-bullet solutions.</p><p>This is a no-fluff conversation for anyone looking to navigate the retail media network advertising landscape with clarity and solid strategy.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Why Amazon Runs the Retail Media World</li><li>00:00:38 - Let’s Challenge the Marketing Status Quo</li><li>00:01:04 - Retail Media Networks: Buzzword or Breakthrough?</li><li>00:02:36 - What the Heck Is a Retail Media Network Anyway?</li><li>00:04:46 - Who’s Who in the Retail Media Power Game</li><li>00:04:58 - Picking Platforms Without Losing Your Mind (or Budget)</li><li>00:13:58 - Untangling the Retail Media Web: Tools, Traps &amp; Truths</li><li>00:24:00 - Can You Actually Measure Retail Media Success?</li><li>00:25:45 - Big Takeaways &amp; Mic-Drop Moments</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Matt on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattcrincoli/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In our latest episode, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau?miniProfileUrn=urn%3Ali%3Afs_miniProfile%3AACoAAABntdoB0fakrYBF2_se2GXuwuk_8AlGA9s" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Todd Juneau</a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellytmaguire?miniProfileUrn=urn%3Ali%3Afs_miniProfile%3AACoAAABd_QkB3Nvl6fZo_Hne1i9WibjXCt5EAyQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Kelly Maguire</a> dive into the complex world of retail media networks with strategic marketing leader and expert <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattcrincoli?miniProfileUrn=urn%3Ali%3Afs_miniProfile%3AACoAAA2RqugBbJr6gmwVPePpp6s4g4YLdygj0m4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Matt Crincoli</a>.</p><p>Drawing on his experience at Amazon, Walmart, Huckberry, Charlotte's Web and more, Matt explains what retail media networks really are.</p><p>He addresses why Amazon’s ad console is essential learning ground, and how marketers can avoid the trap of overhyped tools.</p><p>Matt addresses everything from leveraging data across platforms like Instacart and Chewy to understanding incrementality, and the illusion of silver-bullet solutions.</p><p>This is a no-fluff conversation for anyone looking to navigate the retail media network advertising landscape with clarity and solid strategy.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Why Amazon Runs the Retail Media World</li><li>00:00:38 - Let’s Challenge the Marketing Status Quo</li><li>00:01:04 - Retail Media Networks: Buzzword or Breakthrough?</li><li>00:02:36 - What the Heck Is a Retail Media Network Anyway?</li><li>00:04:46 - Who’s Who in the Retail Media Power Game</li><li>00:04:58 - Picking Platforms Without Losing Your Mind (or Budget)</li><li>00:13:58 - Untangling the Retail Media Web: Tools, Traps &amp; Truths</li><li>00:24:00 - Can You Actually Measure Retail Media Success?</li><li>00:25:45 - Big Takeaways &amp; Mic-Drop Moments</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Matt on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattcrincoli/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/the-50b-shift-why-retail-media-is-marketings-next-frontier]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">c06ba5ba-071f-4b5b-92d5-844da33f31f9</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2025 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/b6842e0f-7966-4538-9854-5db846a474fa/CPO-Matt-Final-v2.mp3" length="71754283" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>29:54</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>44</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>44</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Agency Credibility: Built Through Great Work, Industry Awards - or both?</title><itunes:title>Agency Credibility: Built Through Great Work, Industry Awards - or both?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Todd and Kelly dive deep into the often-glamorized world of advertising awards. </p><p>As seasoned agency leaders and multi-award winners, they explore the true value of these accolades - beyond the entry fees, shiny trophies, and ego boosts. Is it worth the time and money? Do clients even care? </p><p>Drawing from their own experiences - including recent award wins - they weigh the tangible and intangible returns, uncover the hidden embellishments in case studies, and ask whether awards actually reflect performance or just marketing muscle. </p><p>If you're navigating agency credibility, media strategy, or the perception vs. reality gap in advertising, this episode will speak directly to your analytical, results-driven mind.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Kicking Off with a Hard Truth: Case Studies Aren’t Always Real</li><li>00:01:19 - Welcome to Award Season: Hype or Headache?</li><li>00:02:01 - What It Really Takes to Enter Industry Awards</li><li>00:03:17 - Do Clients Even Care About Your Trophies?</li><li>00:04:31 - The Ego Boost is Real—But Is It Worth It?</li><li>00:05:25 - Behind the Curtain: Politics, Perception &amp; Pitfalls</li><li>00:13:23 - Submitting for Awards? Here’s the Unfiltered Reality</li><li>00:22:36 - Wrapping It Up: Are Awards a Must or a Marketing Mirage?</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Todd and Kelly dive deep into the often-glamorized world of advertising awards. </p><p>As seasoned agency leaders and multi-award winners, they explore the true value of these accolades - beyond the entry fees, shiny trophies, and ego boosts. Is it worth the time and money? Do clients even care? </p><p>Drawing from their own experiences - including recent award wins - they weigh the tangible and intangible returns, uncover the hidden embellishments in case studies, and ask whether awards actually reflect performance or just marketing muscle. </p><p>If you're navigating agency credibility, media strategy, or the perception vs. reality gap in advertising, this episode will speak directly to your analytical, results-driven mind.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Kicking Off with a Hard Truth: Case Studies Aren’t Always Real</li><li>00:01:19 - Welcome to Award Season: Hype or Headache?</li><li>00:02:01 - What It Really Takes to Enter Industry Awards</li><li>00:03:17 - Do Clients Even Care About Your Trophies?</li><li>00:04:31 - The Ego Boost is Real—But Is It Worth It?</li><li>00:05:25 - Behind the Curtain: Politics, Perception &amp; Pitfalls</li><li>00:13:23 - Submitting for Awards? Here’s the Unfiltered Reality</li><li>00:22:36 - Wrapping It Up: Are Awards a Must or a Marketing Mirage?</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/client-results-vs-shiny-statues-what-actually-wins-business]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">6fc9db04-02de-44fe-854f-9ca496c6ced4</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2025 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/f0c16365-1164-424c-9f95-ae37e7b3cf82/CPO-Ep-43-Final-Audio.mp3" length="69189059" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>28:50</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>43</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>43</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Performance &amp; Brand Marketing: Building Brands Beyond the Click</title><itunes:title>Performance &amp; Brand Marketing: Building Brands Beyond the Click</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Todd Juneau and Kelly Maguire dive into one of marketing’s most pressing and ongoing debates: performance vs. brand marketing. They break down why relying on short-term wins alone is a risky game.</p><p>They explore the “orchard vs. fruit” analogy to illustrate the danger of ignoring long-term brand building.</p><p>They share insights on how media fragmentation disrupts consistency, and offer a compelling case for strategic, holistic marketing planning. They offer ways to put data in perspective—without becoming enslaved to it.</p><p>This is a must-listen for any brand or agency leader questioning where their next marketing dollar should really go.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Orchard vs. Fruit: A Juicy Metaphor for Modern Marketing</li><li>00:00:17 - Kicking Off Contrary to Popular Opinion: Bold Takes Begin</li><li>00:00:47 - Brand vs. Performance: Can You Really Have Both?</li><li>00:01:22 - Brand Voice Matters: Why Consistency is Your Secret Weapon</li><li>00:05:08 - Losing Control: The Chaos of Brand in a Fragmented Media World</li><li>00:10:27 - Data Overload: Are We Using It or Drowning in It?</li><li>00:12:11 - From Click to Customer: The Real Path Isn’t Linear</li><li>00:14:31 - Marketing as Craft: When Art Meets Attribution</li><li>00:23:34 - Brand Loyalty in Action: Why Marriott Got the Win</li><li>00:26:46 - Final Word: Don’t Just Sell—Build Something That Lasts</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Todd Juneau and Kelly Maguire dive into one of marketing’s most pressing and ongoing debates: performance vs. brand marketing. They break down why relying on short-term wins alone is a risky game.</p><p>They explore the “orchard vs. fruit” analogy to illustrate the danger of ignoring long-term brand building.</p><p>They share insights on how media fragmentation disrupts consistency, and offer a compelling case for strategic, holistic marketing planning. They offer ways to put data in perspective—without becoming enslaved to it.</p><p>This is a must-listen for any brand or agency leader questioning where their next marketing dollar should really go.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Orchard vs. Fruit: A Juicy Metaphor for Modern Marketing</li><li>00:00:17 - Kicking Off Contrary to Popular Opinion: Bold Takes Begin</li><li>00:00:47 - Brand vs. Performance: Can You Really Have Both?</li><li>00:01:22 - Brand Voice Matters: Why Consistency is Your Secret Weapon</li><li>00:05:08 - Losing Control: The Chaos of Brand in a Fragmented Media World</li><li>00:10:27 - Data Overload: Are We Using It or Drowning in It?</li><li>00:12:11 - From Click to Customer: The Real Path Isn’t Linear</li><li>00:14:31 - Marketing as Craft: When Art Meets Attribution</li><li>00:23:34 - Brand Loyalty in Action: Why Marriott Got the Win</li><li>00:26:46 - Final Word: Don’t Just Sell—Build Something That Lasts</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/beyond-the-click-building-brands-that-last]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">04d49c8d-8a81-4939-bb93-94d474ef9538</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2025 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/195348f8-df48-4789-9c5b-930c2e389569/CPO-Todd-and-Kelly-0401.mp3" length="26532147" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>27:38</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>42</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>42</podcast:episode></item><item><title>The Creator Economy&apos;s Missing Link: Real Talk on Social Commerce</title><itunes:title>The Creator Economy&apos;s Missing Link: Real Talk on Social Commerce</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Social commerce is everywhere—but few are doing it right. In this episode, hosts Todd and Kelly are joined by Bijan Malaklou, a marketing executive with deep expertise in creator partnerships and commerce. </p><p>Together, they discuss the <em>real</em> meaning of social commerce, why traditional influencer marketing often falls short, and what must change for brands to achieve measurable results. </p><p>From TikTok Shop's behavioral influence to the monetization struggles of mid-tier creators, this conversation cuts through the noise. </p><p>If you’re tired of flashy influencer campaigns that don’t convert and curious about more authentic, scalable solutions—this one’s for you.</p><p>Chapter</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - From Wheaties to TikTok: A Brief History of Influence</li><li>00:00:56 - Meet Bijan Malaklou: The String-Puller of Social</li><li>00:01:52 - Why Your Influencer Budget Isn’t Converting</li><li>00:03:18 - Social Commerce, Demystified</li><li>00:06:14 - How Creator-Brand Dynamics Are Being Rewritten</li><li>00:08:44 - What’s Broken in Social Commerce (And What’s Next)</li><li>00:11:58 - Real Talk: Making Influencer Collabs Actually Work</li><li>00:25:29 - Paying Creators Right: The Future of Monetization</li><li>00:29:36 - Final Drops of Wisdom + Todd’s Birthday Roast</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Bijan Malaklou on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/bijanmalaklou/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Social commerce is everywhere—but few are doing it right. In this episode, hosts Todd and Kelly are joined by Bijan Malaklou, a marketing executive with deep expertise in creator partnerships and commerce. </p><p>Together, they discuss the <em>real</em> meaning of social commerce, why traditional influencer marketing often falls short, and what must change for brands to achieve measurable results. </p><p>From TikTok Shop's behavioral influence to the monetization struggles of mid-tier creators, this conversation cuts through the noise. </p><p>If you’re tired of flashy influencer campaigns that don’t convert and curious about more authentic, scalable solutions—this one’s for you.</p><p>Chapter</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - From Wheaties to TikTok: A Brief History of Influence</li><li>00:00:56 - Meet Bijan Malaklou: The String-Puller of Social</li><li>00:01:52 - Why Your Influencer Budget Isn’t Converting</li><li>00:03:18 - Social Commerce, Demystified</li><li>00:06:14 - How Creator-Brand Dynamics Are Being Rewritten</li><li>00:08:44 - What’s Broken in Social Commerce (And What’s Next)</li><li>00:11:58 - Real Talk: Making Influencer Collabs Actually Work</li><li>00:25:29 - Paying Creators Right: The Future of Monetization</li><li>00:29:36 - Final Drops of Wisdom + Todd’s Birthday Roast</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Bijan Malaklou on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/bijanmalaklou/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/bijan]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">a1769353-20d0-40dd-a16b-0e0a3dbef034</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2025 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/fad96e73-55c3-423f-a8b1-371df8ef6463/Bijan-Social-Commerce-Final-v2.mp3" length="84273206" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>35:07</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>41</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>41</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Beyond Smoke &amp; Mirrors to Performance Marketing that Achieves Business Outcomes</title><itunes:title>Beyond Smoke &amp; Mirrors to Performance Marketing that Achieves Business Outcomes</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this rewind episode, we cut through the noise surrounding marketing analytics, media mix modeling, and agency selection. </p><p>With marketing budgets tighter than ever, it's critical to understand what’s truly worth the investment and what’s just smoke and mirrors. We discuss how small and mid-sized brands can make smart, data-driven decisions without spending a fortune on high-end analytics tools. </p><p>Plus, we dive into the common pitfalls marketers face when selecting an agency and how to distinguish between real value and empty promises. </p><p>If you're tired of buzzwords and want actionable insights on optimizing your marketing spend, this episode is for you.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Cutting Through the Hype: What Performance Marketing Really Means</li><li>00:00:43 - <a href="https://player.captivate.fm/episode/8383997a-cbed-4ebc-b5e0-6e6f8516a0f5/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Achieving Big Results on Tight Budgets</a></li><li>00:11:56 - <a href="https://player.captivate.fm/episode/84ad6da7-3f29-48d9-b314-ec3839048b72/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Proving ROI in the Age of Media Fragmentation</a></li><li>00:19:02 - <a href="https://player.captivate.fm/episode/0e4e0e7a-3383-4f27-9cc2-4a25c3534058/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Beyond CPMs: Why Business Outcomes Surpass Traditional Metrics</a></li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this rewind episode, we cut through the noise surrounding marketing analytics, media mix modeling, and agency selection. </p><p>With marketing budgets tighter than ever, it's critical to understand what’s truly worth the investment and what’s just smoke and mirrors. We discuss how small and mid-sized brands can make smart, data-driven decisions without spending a fortune on high-end analytics tools. </p><p>Plus, we dive into the common pitfalls marketers face when selecting an agency and how to distinguish between real value and empty promises. </p><p>If you're tired of buzzwords and want actionable insights on optimizing your marketing spend, this episode is for you.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Cutting Through the Hype: What Performance Marketing Really Means</li><li>00:00:43 - <a href="https://player.captivate.fm/episode/8383997a-cbed-4ebc-b5e0-6e6f8516a0f5/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Achieving Big Results on Tight Budgets</a></li><li>00:11:56 - <a href="https://player.captivate.fm/episode/84ad6da7-3f29-48d9-b314-ec3839048b72/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Proving ROI in the Age of Media Fragmentation</a></li><li>00:19:02 - <a href="https://player.captivate.fm/episode/0e4e0e7a-3383-4f27-9cc2-4a25c3534058/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Beyond CPMs: Why Business Outcomes Surpass Traditional Metrics</a></li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/looking-back-to-move-forward-smarter-media-strategies]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">76ac242f-646f-4d7d-80b9-41d4f153b800</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2025 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/a27f6073-02c4-4c29-98c3-9acf7da79c1a/CPO-Rewind-Final.mp3" length="76602610" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>31:55</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>40</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>40</podcast:episode></item><item><title>The Marketplace Dilemma: Maximizing Profits Without Losing Brand Control</title><itunes:title>The Marketplace Dilemma: Maximizing Profits Without Losing Brand Control</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Retail media is one of the hottest trends in e-commerce.</p><p>In this episode, we sit down with Matt Crincoli, a seasoned e-commerce expert with experience at Amazon and Walmart, to break down the marketplace landscape.&nbsp;</p><p>Matt shares his insights on when and how brands should enter platforms like Amazon, Walmart Marketplace, and TikTok Shop—without losing profitability or control.&nbsp;</p><p>He also cuts through the industry’s jargon, explains why marketplaces aren’t as different from DTC as you might think, and reveals the biggest mistakes brands make when expanding into retail media.&nbsp;</p><p>If you’re looking for a data-driven, no-nonsense guide to navigating digital marketplaces, this episode is for you.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - The Rise of Retail Media and Why Marketplaces Matter</li><li>00:00:59 - Meet Matt Crincoli: From Amazon and Walmart to DTC Strategy Expert</li><li>00:02:59 - What is a Marketplace? Understanding Amazon, Walmart, and TikTok Shop</li><li>00:04:20 - How D2C Has Evolved and Why Marketplaces Are More Important Than Ever</li><li>00:07:31 - The Right Time to Enter Marketplaces Without Losing Control</li><li>00:09:27 - Avoiding Costly Mistakes in Marketplace Strategy</li><li>00:21:09 - How Influencers and Retail Media Are Changing E-commerce</li><li>00:24:41 - The Future of Retail Media and What’s Next for Brands</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Matt Crincoli on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattcrincoli/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Retail media is one of the hottest trends in e-commerce.</p><p>In this episode, we sit down with Matt Crincoli, a seasoned e-commerce expert with experience at Amazon and Walmart, to break down the marketplace landscape.&nbsp;</p><p>Matt shares his insights on when and how brands should enter platforms like Amazon, Walmart Marketplace, and TikTok Shop—without losing profitability or control.&nbsp;</p><p>He also cuts through the industry’s jargon, explains why marketplaces aren’t as different from DTC as you might think, and reveals the biggest mistakes brands make when expanding into retail media.&nbsp;</p><p>If you’re looking for a data-driven, no-nonsense guide to navigating digital marketplaces, this episode is for you.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - The Rise of Retail Media and Why Marketplaces Matter</li><li>00:00:59 - Meet Matt Crincoli: From Amazon and Walmart to DTC Strategy Expert</li><li>00:02:59 - What is a Marketplace? Understanding Amazon, Walmart, and TikTok Shop</li><li>00:04:20 - How D2C Has Evolved and Why Marketplaces Are More Important Than Ever</li><li>00:07:31 - The Right Time to Enter Marketplaces Without Losing Control</li><li>00:09:27 - Avoiding Costly Mistakes in Marketplace Strategy</li><li>00:21:09 - How Influencers and Retail Media Are Changing E-commerce</li><li>00:24:41 - The Future of Retail Media and What’s Next for Brands</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Matt Crincoli on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattcrincoli/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/the-marketplace-dilemma-maximizing-profits-without-losing-brand-control]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">51430aef-22c3-4a04-8a96-adcaf72ba984</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2025 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/87815414-458d-4d2f-af82-0606fea185a4/CPO-Matt-Crincoli.mp3" length="63688716" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>26:32</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>39</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>39</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Ad Blocking, Cookies, Free Internet, and the Future of Online Advertising</title><itunes:title>Ad Blocking, Cookies, Free Internet, and the Future of Online Advertising</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Thirty years after the launch of the first banner ad, digital advertising has evolved dramatically—yet some misconceptions persist.&nbsp;</p><p>Todd and Kelly dive into the history, challenges, and future of digital advertising, questioning whether click-through rates ever should have been the dominant metric.&nbsp;</p><p>They explore how programmatic advertising continues to thrive despite consumer complaints, the role of branding in digital ads, and why privacy concerns and cookie deprecation might actually bring advertising full circle.&nbsp;</p><p>What's the truth around measuring digital advertising effectiveness? Has it become less effective over time, or have we just been measuring it the wrong way?&nbsp;</p><p>Tune in for a nuanced discussion on what really drives effective advertising in today’s market.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - The Hidden Price of Free Content: How Ads Power the Internet</li><li>00:00:57 - Valentine’s Day &amp; Vintage Advertising: A Fun Throwback</li><li>00:01:31 - 30 Years of Banner Ads: From 40% CTR to Obsolescence?</li><li>00:03:31 - The Click-Through Rate Myth: Are We Measuring Ads All Wrong?</li><li>00:08:31 - Do People Really Hate Ads? The Surprising Truth</li><li>00:13:31 - The Privacy War: Cookies, Ad Targeting &amp; What Comes Next</li><li>00:15:37 - The Privacy War: Cookies, Ad Targeting &amp; What Comes Next</li><li>00:17:45 - Can Digital Ads Survive Without Data Tracking?</li><li>00:20:12 - Why the Internet Can’t Function Without Advertising</li><li>00:22:38 - The Trade-Off: Better Ads or Paid Content?</li><li>00:25:14 - The Future of Personalization in a Privacy-First World</li><li>00:27:59 - Why AI &amp; Contextual Targeting Are the Next Big Thing</li><li>00:30:35 - Final Takeaways: The Future of Digital Advertising</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thirty years after the launch of the first banner ad, digital advertising has evolved dramatically—yet some misconceptions persist.&nbsp;</p><p>Todd and Kelly dive into the history, challenges, and future of digital advertising, questioning whether click-through rates ever should have been the dominant metric.&nbsp;</p><p>They explore how programmatic advertising continues to thrive despite consumer complaints, the role of branding in digital ads, and why privacy concerns and cookie deprecation might actually bring advertising full circle.&nbsp;</p><p>What's the truth around measuring digital advertising effectiveness? Has it become less effective over time, or have we just been measuring it the wrong way?&nbsp;</p><p>Tune in for a nuanced discussion on what really drives effective advertising in today’s market.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - The Hidden Price of Free Content: How Ads Power the Internet</li><li>00:00:57 - Valentine’s Day &amp; Vintage Advertising: A Fun Throwback</li><li>00:01:31 - 30 Years of Banner Ads: From 40% CTR to Obsolescence?</li><li>00:03:31 - The Click-Through Rate Myth: Are We Measuring Ads All Wrong?</li><li>00:08:31 - Do People Really Hate Ads? The Surprising Truth</li><li>00:13:31 - The Privacy War: Cookies, Ad Targeting &amp; What Comes Next</li><li>00:15:37 - The Privacy War: Cookies, Ad Targeting &amp; What Comes Next</li><li>00:17:45 - Can Digital Ads Survive Without Data Tracking?</li><li>00:20:12 - Why the Internet Can’t Function Without Advertising</li><li>00:22:38 - The Trade-Off: Better Ads or Paid Content?</li><li>00:25:14 - The Future of Personalization in a Privacy-First World</li><li>00:27:59 - Why AI &amp; Contextual Targeting Are the Next Big Thing</li><li>00:30:35 - Final Takeaways: The Future of Digital Advertising</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/ad-blocking-cookies-and-the-future-of-online-advertising]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">5bb766ec-fc7d-447d-8193-d6b4a187532b</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 25 Feb 2025 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ea25eda1-dce2-4602-bf95-10fa040a7bed/CPO-Todd-and-Kelly-02-25.mp3" length="82170871" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>34:14</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>38</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>38</podcast:episode></item><item><title>What Super Bowl Ads Really Teach Us About Marketing</title><itunes:title>What Super Bowl Ads Really Teach Us About Marketing</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Super Bowl ads are more than just million-dollar entertainment – they’re a glimpse into the ongoing battle and balance between brand and performance marketing.&nbsp;</p><p>In this episode, Todd and Kelly break down why brand awareness is a fundamental necessity for every brand.&nbsp;</p><p>They explore the shift away from short-term transactional marketing, discuss the role of media in shaping long-term customer relationships, and dive into the 95/5 rule – a fundamental principle that changes how businesses should allocate their marketing budgets.&nbsp;</p><p>If you’ve ever debated whether Super Bowl ads are worth the investment or wondered how to balance branding with direct response, this episode is packed with insights that will reshape how you look at marketing strategies going forward.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Kicking Off: Super Bowl, Ads &amp; Brand Talk</li><li>00:01:11 - Why Brand Building is More Important Than Ever</li><li>00:02:52 - Super Bowl Ads: Smart Investment or Just Hype?</li><li>00:03:53 - Lessons from Preston Rutherford on Branding</li><li>00:04:50 - Performance vs. Brand Marketing: Striking the Right Balance</li><li>00:05:17 - How Marketing Shapes Consumer Behavior</li><li>00:11:48 - The 95/5 Rule: Why Most Buyers Aren’t Ready Yet</li><li>00:21:46 - Proving ROI: How to Measure Brand Awareness</li><li>00:29:19 - Are Super Bowl Ads Worth the Millions?</li><li>00:32:27 - Key Takeaways &amp; The Future of Brand Marketing</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Super Bowl ads are more than just million-dollar entertainment – they’re a glimpse into the ongoing battle and balance between brand and performance marketing.&nbsp;</p><p>In this episode, Todd and Kelly break down why brand awareness is a fundamental necessity for every brand.&nbsp;</p><p>They explore the shift away from short-term transactional marketing, discuss the role of media in shaping long-term customer relationships, and dive into the 95/5 rule – a fundamental principle that changes how businesses should allocate their marketing budgets.&nbsp;</p><p>If you’ve ever debated whether Super Bowl ads are worth the investment or wondered how to balance branding with direct response, this episode is packed with insights that will reshape how you look at marketing strategies going forward.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Kicking Off: Super Bowl, Ads &amp; Brand Talk</li><li>00:01:11 - Why Brand Building is More Important Than Ever</li><li>00:02:52 - Super Bowl Ads: Smart Investment or Just Hype?</li><li>00:03:53 - Lessons from Preston Rutherford on Branding</li><li>00:04:50 - Performance vs. Brand Marketing: Striking the Right Balance</li><li>00:05:17 - How Marketing Shapes Consumer Behavior</li><li>00:11:48 - The 95/5 Rule: Why Most Buyers Aren’t Ready Yet</li><li>00:21:46 - Proving ROI: How to Measure Brand Awareness</li><li>00:29:19 - Are Super Bowl Ads Worth the Millions?</li><li>00:32:27 - Key Takeaways &amp; The Future of Brand Marketing</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/super-bowl-commercials-do-they-really-work]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">c039a726-9c5c-400e-a96a-892b5b033816</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 18 Feb 2025 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/a982d773-9533-4046-ba6d-7d56b9e38fdc/CPO-Todd-and-Kelly-02-18-Final.mp3" length="82789451" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>34:30</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>37</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>37</podcast:episode></item><item><title>The Realities of Agency Selection and Vertical Specialization</title><itunes:title>The Realities of Agency Selection and Vertical Specialization</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Hiring a marketing agency should be about what they will do, not just what they have done. </p><p>In this episode, Todd and Kelly challenge the widespread belief that industry specialization is necessary for agencies to deliver great results. </p><p>They discuss why curiosity, passion, and problem-solving should outweigh pre-existing case studies and rinse-and-repeat tactics. </p><p>If you're frustrated by traditional agency selection processes or questioning the value of past industry experience, this conversation will make you rethink how you hire marketing partners.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Why Being a Big Fish in a Small Pond Matters</li><li>00:01:02 - Meet Kelly &amp; Todd: Challenging the Agency Status Quo</li><li>00:01:10 - The Great Debate: Does Industry Specialization Really Matter?</li><li>00:04:16 - Why Personality Beats Capability in Agency Selection</li><li>00:05:08 - Rethinking Media Buying: Strategy Over Experience</li><li>00:08:23 - The Agency-Client Struggle: Why the Traditional Model Fails</li><li>00:13:45 - Fresh Thinking vs. Case Studies: What Actually Drives Results?</li><li>00:19:45 - Should a Custom-Tailored Agency Cost More?</li><li>00:23:04 - Smarter Ways to Evaluate Your Next Marketing Partner</li><li>00:28:06 - Final Thoughts: The Future of Hiring Better Agencies</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hiring a marketing agency should be about what they will do, not just what they have done. </p><p>In this episode, Todd and Kelly challenge the widespread belief that industry specialization is necessary for agencies to deliver great results. </p><p>They discuss why curiosity, passion, and problem-solving should outweigh pre-existing case studies and rinse-and-repeat tactics. </p><p>If you're frustrated by traditional agency selection processes or questioning the value of past industry experience, this conversation will make you rethink how you hire marketing partners.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Why Being a Big Fish in a Small Pond Matters</li><li>00:01:02 - Meet Kelly &amp; Todd: Challenging the Agency Status Quo</li><li>00:01:10 - The Great Debate: Does Industry Specialization Really Matter?</li><li>00:04:16 - Why Personality Beats Capability in Agency Selection</li><li>00:05:08 - Rethinking Media Buying: Strategy Over Experience</li><li>00:08:23 - The Agency-Client Struggle: Why the Traditional Model Fails</li><li>00:13:45 - Fresh Thinking vs. Case Studies: What Actually Drives Results?</li><li>00:19:45 - Should a Custom-Tailored Agency Cost More?</li><li>00:23:04 - Smarter Ways to Evaluate Your Next Marketing Partner</li><li>00:28:06 - Final Thoughts: The Future of Hiring Better Agencies</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/working-on-shownotes]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">1a521aa4-5028-475d-a4bf-fe37828f0e0f</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2025 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/481d9e7f-6173-43b6-afed-ec3ed1e33f53/CPO-Todd-and-Kelly-0211.mp3" length="80158398" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>33:24</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>36</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>36</podcast:episode></item><item><title>AI and Creative, UGC, and the Evolution of Brand Storytelling</title><itunes:title>AI and Creative, UGC, and the Evolution of Brand Storytelling</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Creative strategist Bijan Malaklou, joins Kelly Maguire and Todd Juneau to explore the evolving relationship between creative and media. </p><p>As AI reshapes content creation and targeting, brands must rethink their approach to storytelling, user-generated content (UGC), and performance-driven campaigns. </p><p>Bijan shares insights on how brands can bridge the gap between media strategy and creative execution, why AI should complement—not replace—human creativity, and how creator-led marketing is redefining consumer engagement. </p><p>Whether you're working with big-budget productions or scrappy, cost-effective content, this conversation reveals how intentionality, collaboration, and data-driven decision-making are key to modern marketing success.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - How AI is reshaping creative and lowering the barrier to entry</li><li>00:01:17 - Introducing Bijan Malaklou and his expertise in creative and media</li><li>00:02:59 - Why media and creative must work together for better performance</li><li>00:04:47 - Crafting creative strategies for both big-budget and scrappy brands</li><li>00:07:10 - The role of influencers, UGC, and third-party validation in marketing</li><li>00:12:31 - Using data to drive creative decisions and maximize impact</li><li>00:20:09 - AI’s role in personalization and the future of brand storytelling</li><li>00:26:10 - The importance of a holistic investment in creative and media</li><li>00:29:17 - Final thoughts on creative strategy, AI, and media collaboration</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Bijan Malaklou on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/bijanmalaklou/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Creative strategist Bijan Malaklou, joins Kelly Maguire and Todd Juneau to explore the evolving relationship between creative and media. </p><p>As AI reshapes content creation and targeting, brands must rethink their approach to storytelling, user-generated content (UGC), and performance-driven campaigns. </p><p>Bijan shares insights on how brands can bridge the gap between media strategy and creative execution, why AI should complement—not replace—human creativity, and how creator-led marketing is redefining consumer engagement. </p><p>Whether you're working with big-budget productions or scrappy, cost-effective content, this conversation reveals how intentionality, collaboration, and data-driven decision-making are key to modern marketing success.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - How AI is reshaping creative and lowering the barrier to entry</li><li>00:01:17 - Introducing Bijan Malaklou and his expertise in creative and media</li><li>00:02:59 - Why media and creative must work together for better performance</li><li>00:04:47 - Crafting creative strategies for both big-budget and scrappy brands</li><li>00:07:10 - The role of influencers, UGC, and third-party validation in marketing</li><li>00:12:31 - Using data to drive creative decisions and maximize impact</li><li>00:20:09 - AI’s role in personalization and the future of brand storytelling</li><li>00:26:10 - The importance of a holistic investment in creative and media</li><li>00:29:17 - Final thoughts on creative strategy, AI, and media collaboration</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Bijan Malaklou on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/bijanmalaklou/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/working-on-shownotes]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">f88d1731-b8e1-4c10-82d8-4cb1eaea4ee8</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2025 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/47529929-c517-44c1-9f39-82853bcb26d8/CPO-Creative-with-Bijan-Final.mp3" length="75652798" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>31:31</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>35</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>35</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Market Shifts, Layoffs, and Attracting Top Talent</title><itunes:title>Market Shifts, Layoffs, and Attracting Top Talent</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Kelly and Todd dissect the pivotal role of talent in shaping agency success, offering a look inside the nuances of agency dynamics.&nbsp;</p><p>From winning business and navigating the volatile job market to understanding the often overlooked value of top-tier talent, they tackle the industry's most pressing challenges.&nbsp;</p><p>The conversation discusses how agencies can justify their fees, create operational structures that empower teams, and navigate the ripple effects of large agency layoffs on both talent and clients.&nbsp;</p><p>With insightful questions and relatable analogies, they explore what sets exceptional agencies apart and how to stand out in an increasingly competitive marketplace.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Introduction: Unlocking the Power of Talent in Agencies</li><li>00:00:54 - Meet the Hosts: Behind the Scenes with Kelly and Todd</li><li>00:01:27 - Talent Value Decoded: What Sets the Best Agencies Apart</li><li>00:03:29 - Cracking the Code: Tackling Agency Complexities Head-On</li><li>00:07:03 - The Value Question: Justifying Fees and Proving Impact</li><li>00:11:55 - The Secret Sauce Revealed: Building a Standout Agency</li><li>00:15:35 - Market Shifts, Layoffs, and the Battle for Top Talent</li><li>00:22:58 - Final Thoughts: Strategic Moves to Stay Ahead</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Kelly and Todd dissect the pivotal role of talent in shaping agency success, offering a look inside the nuances of agency dynamics.&nbsp;</p><p>From winning business and navigating the volatile job market to understanding the often overlooked value of top-tier talent, they tackle the industry's most pressing challenges.&nbsp;</p><p>The conversation discusses how agencies can justify their fees, create operational structures that empower teams, and navigate the ripple effects of large agency layoffs on both talent and clients.&nbsp;</p><p>With insightful questions and relatable analogies, they explore what sets exceptional agencies apart and how to stand out in an increasingly competitive marketplace.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Introduction: Unlocking the Power of Talent in Agencies</li><li>00:00:54 - Meet the Hosts: Behind the Scenes with Kelly and Todd</li><li>00:01:27 - Talent Value Decoded: What Sets the Best Agencies Apart</li><li>00:03:29 - Cracking the Code: Tackling Agency Complexities Head-On</li><li>00:07:03 - The Value Question: Justifying Fees and Proving Impact</li><li>00:11:55 - The Secret Sauce Revealed: Building a Standout Agency</li><li>00:15:35 - Market Shifts, Layoffs, and the Battle for Top Talent</li><li>00:22:58 - Final Thoughts: Strategic Moves to Stay Ahead</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/why-passion-and-process-matter-in-agency-success]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">9028370c-f754-4221-a23f-381c1c3ba6b6</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2025 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/7f32273c-7e36-44f3-9353-7601a68dacd3/Todd-and-Kelly-0128-Final.mp3" length="74855541" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>31:11</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>34</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>34</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Proving ROI in the Age of Media Fragmentation</title><itunes:title>Proving ROI in the Age of Media Fragmentation</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Todd and Kelly dive deep into the intricacies of correlation models and media mix modeling. These tools are key to marketers connecting their investments to drive and ensure tangible business outcomes. </p><p>They explore how data-driven strategies can cut through the noise of fragmented media landscapes, ensuring every marketing dollar is spent with precision. </p><p>From the importance of historical data to the challenges posed by team turnover and data privacy, they provide actionable insights for future-proofing marketing strategies. </p><p>Discover how to use these advanced tools not just to validate success but to shape smarter, more impactful decisions and ultimately business outcomes.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Introduction: Elevating Marketing Strategies with Correlation Models</li><li>00:01:10 - Defining Correlation Models: Tools for Data-Driven Marketing Decisions</li><li>00:01:47 - Tackling Data Privacy and Tracking Limitations in Modern Marketing</li><li>00:02:16 - Developing Models That Link Marketing Investments to Business Outcomes</li><li>00:04:32 - Managing Complexity: Understanding Today’s Multi-Step Consumer Journeys</li><li>00:08:13 - Correlation vs. Causation: Making Confident Strategic Decisions</li><li>00:09:14 - Leveraging Historical Data to Drive Marketing Efficiency</li><li>00:11:23 - Using Insights from Correlation Models to Optimize Campaigns</li><li>00:19:38 - Building the Business Case for Investing in Advanced Marketing Tools</li><li>00:26:35 - Creating Stability in Teams and Strategies for Long-Term Success</li><li>00:28:03 - Final Recommendations: Future-Proofing Marketing with Data-Driven Insights</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a></li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Todd and Kelly dive deep into the intricacies of correlation models and media mix modeling. These tools are key to marketers connecting their investments to drive and ensure tangible business outcomes. </p><p>They explore how data-driven strategies can cut through the noise of fragmented media landscapes, ensuring every marketing dollar is spent with precision. </p><p>From the importance of historical data to the challenges posed by team turnover and data privacy, they provide actionable insights for future-proofing marketing strategies. </p><p>Discover how to use these advanced tools not just to validate success but to shape smarter, more impactful decisions and ultimately business outcomes.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Introduction: Elevating Marketing Strategies with Correlation Models</li><li>00:01:10 - Defining Correlation Models: Tools for Data-Driven Marketing Decisions</li><li>00:01:47 - Tackling Data Privacy and Tracking Limitations in Modern Marketing</li><li>00:02:16 - Developing Models That Link Marketing Investments to Business Outcomes</li><li>00:04:32 - Managing Complexity: Understanding Today’s Multi-Step Consumer Journeys</li><li>00:08:13 - Correlation vs. Causation: Making Confident Strategic Decisions</li><li>00:09:14 - Leveraging Historical Data to Drive Marketing Efficiency</li><li>00:11:23 - Using Insights from Correlation Models to Optimize Campaigns</li><li>00:19:38 - Building the Business Case for Investing in Advanced Marketing Tools</li><li>00:26:35 - Creating Stability in Teams and Strategies for Long-Term Success</li><li>00:28:03 - Final Recommendations: Future-Proofing Marketing with Data-Driven Insights</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a></li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/navigating-marketing-roi-in-a-privacy-first-world]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">84ad6da7-3f29-48d9-b314-ec3839048b72</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2025 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/12c012af-51b6-4ae0-8d0e-fc9bcd7c9354/Todd-and-Kelly-01-21-Final.mp3" length="75085418" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>31:17</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>33</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>33</podcast:episode></item><item><title>TikTok’s Fate: Implications for Advertisers and Creators</title><itunes:title>TikTok’s Fate: Implications for Advertisers and Creators</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Kelly and Todd dive into the uncertain future of TikTok amidst looming regulatory threats and geopolitical tensions. </p><p>They break down TikTok’s unique rise to dominance, driven by an almost-too-good algorithm and billions in investment. </p><p>The conversation explores what makes TikTok such an effective advertising platform, the challenges of potential bans, and the ripple effects for marketers and creators. </p><p>Kelly and Todd offer actionable insights on how businesses can prepare, diversify their strategies, and stay nimble in a constantly shifting digital advertising landscape. </p><p>Whether TikTok stays, goes, or evolves, one thing is clear: marketers must stay ready.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 – Unlocking TikTok's Algorithm: The Power Behind the Platform</li><li>00:00:51 – A Fresh Start: New Year, Big Questions, and Hot Topics</li><li>00:01:08 – TikTok's Future at Risk: Legal Battles and Security Showdowns</li><li>00:04:26 – From Vine to Viral: How TikTok Became an Unstoppable Force</li><li>00:07:14 – Billions in Play: Inside TikTok's Advertising Goldmine</li><li>00:08:52 – What If TikTok Goes Away? Exploring the Ripple Effect</li><li>00:15:21 – Between Speculation and Strategy: What’s Really at Stake?</li><li>00:20:10 – Preparing for the Unknown: Smarter Advertising Strategies</li><li>00:28:01 – Final Thoughts: What Comes Next for TikTok and Marketers</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a></li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Kelly and Todd dive into the uncertain future of TikTok amidst looming regulatory threats and geopolitical tensions. </p><p>They break down TikTok’s unique rise to dominance, driven by an almost-too-good algorithm and billions in investment. </p><p>The conversation explores what makes TikTok such an effective advertising platform, the challenges of potential bans, and the ripple effects for marketers and creators. </p><p>Kelly and Todd offer actionable insights on how businesses can prepare, diversify their strategies, and stay nimble in a constantly shifting digital advertising landscape. </p><p>Whether TikTok stays, goes, or evolves, one thing is clear: marketers must stay ready.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 – Unlocking TikTok's Algorithm: The Power Behind the Platform</li><li>00:00:51 – A Fresh Start: New Year, Big Questions, and Hot Topics</li><li>00:01:08 – TikTok's Future at Risk: Legal Battles and Security Showdowns</li><li>00:04:26 – From Vine to Viral: How TikTok Became an Unstoppable Force</li><li>00:07:14 – Billions in Play: Inside TikTok's Advertising Goldmine</li><li>00:08:52 – What If TikTok Goes Away? Exploring the Ripple Effect</li><li>00:15:21 – Between Speculation and Strategy: What’s Really at Stake?</li><li>00:20:10 – Preparing for the Unknown: Smarter Advertising Strategies</li><li>00:28:01 – Final Thoughts: What Comes Next for TikTok and Marketers</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a></li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/risk-reward-and-regulation-tiktoks-uncertain-path-forward]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">d86ed59a-f9fa-4505-a5bb-4ac65e2ae868</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 07 Jan 2025 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/1f6fb6a6-1e48-4b12-8a4b-fa128899b8e2/CPO-TikTok-New-Year.mp3" length="76477222" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>31:52</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>32</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>32</podcast:episode></item><item><title>The Heart of Leadership: Gratitude for 2024 and Vision for 2025</title><itunes:title>The Heart of Leadership: Gratitude for 2024 and Vision for 2025</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Kelly and Todd reflect on an impactful 2024, exploring the central theme of gratitude in leadership, team dynamics, and client relationships. </p><p>They discuss the evolution of their team, the power of trust in business partnerships, and the importance of staying true to core values even during uncertain times. </p><p>The duo shares candid insights on how gratitude has been a driving force behind their company's growth, resilience, and success. </p><p>With an eye on 2025, they highlight opportunities for continued innovation, expansion, and meaningful relationships. </p><p>Tune in for an authentic conversation about leadership, optimism, and the lessons learned from a transformative year​.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 – Kicking Off with Gratitude: Reflections on a Transformative Year</li><li>00:01:04 – Celebrating Milestones: A Look Back at an Incredible Journey</li><li>00:01:48 – Leading with Gratitude: The Heart of Our Success in 2024</li><li>00:04:17 – Empowered Teams: How Growth and Trust Drove Our Year</li><li>00:07:00 – From Coordinators to Leaders: The Team's Inspiring Evolution</li><li>00:09:45 – The Power of Values: How Core Principles Shape Our Culture</li><li>00:11:34 – Authentic Connections: Building Client Relationships That Last</li><li>00:14:20 – Taking Big Leaps: Trusting the Process in Business Partnerships</li><li>00:16:55 – Hiring for the Future: Finding Talent That Aligns with Our Vision</li><li>00:18:30 – Staying Different: Why Standing Out Matters in Our Industry</li><li>00:20:21 – Eyes on 2025: Innovation, Expansion, and Big Dreams Ahead</li><li>00:22:40 – Collaboration Beyond Clients: Exploring Strategic Partnerships</li><li>00:24:10 – Tech and AI: The Future of Business Innovation in 2025</li><li>00:25:15 – A Decade in the Making: Exciting Projects Finally Coming to Life</li><li>00:26:08 – Parting Thoughts: Gratitude, Optimism, and a Bright Future</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a></li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Kelly and Todd reflect on an impactful 2024, exploring the central theme of gratitude in leadership, team dynamics, and client relationships. </p><p>They discuss the evolution of their team, the power of trust in business partnerships, and the importance of staying true to core values even during uncertain times. </p><p>The duo shares candid insights on how gratitude has been a driving force behind their company's growth, resilience, and success. </p><p>With an eye on 2025, they highlight opportunities for continued innovation, expansion, and meaningful relationships. </p><p>Tune in for an authentic conversation about leadership, optimism, and the lessons learned from a transformative year​.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 – Kicking Off with Gratitude: Reflections on a Transformative Year</li><li>00:01:04 – Celebrating Milestones: A Look Back at an Incredible Journey</li><li>00:01:48 – Leading with Gratitude: The Heart of Our Success in 2024</li><li>00:04:17 – Empowered Teams: How Growth and Trust Drove Our Year</li><li>00:07:00 – From Coordinators to Leaders: The Team's Inspiring Evolution</li><li>00:09:45 – The Power of Values: How Core Principles Shape Our Culture</li><li>00:11:34 – Authentic Connections: Building Client Relationships That Last</li><li>00:14:20 – Taking Big Leaps: Trusting the Process in Business Partnerships</li><li>00:16:55 – Hiring for the Future: Finding Talent That Aligns with Our Vision</li><li>00:18:30 – Staying Different: Why Standing Out Matters in Our Industry</li><li>00:20:21 – Eyes on 2025: Innovation, Expansion, and Big Dreams Ahead</li><li>00:22:40 – Collaboration Beyond Clients: Exploring Strategic Partnerships</li><li>00:24:10 – Tech and AI: The Future of Business Innovation in 2025</li><li>00:25:15 – A Decade in the Making: Exciting Projects Finally Coming to Life</li><li>00:26:08 – Parting Thoughts: Gratitude, Optimism, and a Bright Future</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a></li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/year-end]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">40650c66-bcbe-438b-ae42-7b1457cc3c97</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 31 Dec 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/2c465aa8-f3c2-49e1-ac97-c641b976267f/CPO-Year-End-Final.mp3" length="66795198" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>27:50</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>31</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>31</podcast:episode></item><item><title>The Truth About Agency / Client Relationships</title><itunes:title>The Truth About Agency / Client Relationships</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>This episode unpacks the dynamics of agency-client relationships and how to ensure you're a priority and not an afterthought.</p><p>Todd and Kelly dive into industry reports, dissecting themes like agency transparency, the rising costs of expertise, and the ongoing debate over performance-based compensation. </p><p>Through candid insights, they challenge commoditization mindsets, emphasizing the value of premium partnerships that prioritize strategy and results. </p><p>Whether you're navigating agency collaboration or seeking smarter investments, this episode offers a thought-provoking guide to redefining expectations and maximizing outcomes.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Introduction: Why Agency Prioritization Matters</li><li>00:00:55 - Industry Insights: Breaking Down the DigiDay Article and Forrester Wave Report</li><li>00:02:32 - Key Themes: Highlights from the MediaSense Report on Accountability and Compensation</li><li>00:03:11 - Data Challenges: Addressing Measurement and Outcome Disconnects</li><li>00:03:31 - Commoditization Myths: Why Media Services Shouldn’t Be Treated as Commodities</li><li>00:04:11 - Strategic Growth: Making Agencies True Business Drivers</li><li>00:04:42 - Positive Trends: Industry Shifts Toward Value Recognition</li><li>00:06:05 - Accountability vs. Transparency: Striking the Right Balance</li><li>00:06:31 - Risk and Reward: Evaluating Agency Compensation Models</li><li>00:07:23 - Transparency Demands: How Clients Can Foster Stronger Agency Relationships</li><li>00:08:21 - Building Partnerships: The True Value of Collaborative Agency Relationships</li><li>00:15:36 - Financial Risk Models: When Agencies Should Take on More Risk</li><li>00:31:53 - Future Trends: Collaboration vs. Transactional Approaches in Agency Relationships</li><li>00:39:27 - Final Takeaways: Practical Insights for Optimizing Agency Partnerships</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This episode unpacks the dynamics of agency-client relationships and how to ensure you're a priority and not an afterthought.</p><p>Todd and Kelly dive into industry reports, dissecting themes like agency transparency, the rising costs of expertise, and the ongoing debate over performance-based compensation. </p><p>Through candid insights, they challenge commoditization mindsets, emphasizing the value of premium partnerships that prioritize strategy and results. </p><p>Whether you're navigating agency collaboration or seeking smarter investments, this episode offers a thought-provoking guide to redefining expectations and maximizing outcomes.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Introduction: Why Agency Prioritization Matters</li><li>00:00:55 - Industry Insights: Breaking Down the DigiDay Article and Forrester Wave Report</li><li>00:02:32 - Key Themes: Highlights from the MediaSense Report on Accountability and Compensation</li><li>00:03:11 - Data Challenges: Addressing Measurement and Outcome Disconnects</li><li>00:03:31 - Commoditization Myths: Why Media Services Shouldn’t Be Treated as Commodities</li><li>00:04:11 - Strategic Growth: Making Agencies True Business Drivers</li><li>00:04:42 - Positive Trends: Industry Shifts Toward Value Recognition</li><li>00:06:05 - Accountability vs. Transparency: Striking the Right Balance</li><li>00:06:31 - Risk and Reward: Evaluating Agency Compensation Models</li><li>00:07:23 - Transparency Demands: How Clients Can Foster Stronger Agency Relationships</li><li>00:08:21 - Building Partnerships: The True Value of Collaborative Agency Relationships</li><li>00:15:36 - Financial Risk Models: When Agencies Should Take on More Risk</li><li>00:31:53 - Future Trends: Collaboration vs. Transactional Approaches in Agency Relationships</li><li>00:39:27 - Final Takeaways: Practical Insights for Optimizing Agency Partnerships</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/todd-and-kelly]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">bb91044d-9d3f-4042-af62-6cc8433bbdd5</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 17 Dec 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/11886333-a355-45ef-bb21-0e8366517a39/CPO-Todd-and-Kelly-12-17-Final.mp3" length="104638267" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>43:36</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>30</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>30</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Trust, Truth &amp; Treatment: A Marketing Maven&apos;s Take on Healthcare Marketing&apos;s Future</title><itunes:title>Trust, Truth &amp; Treatment: A Marketing Maven&apos;s Take on Healthcare Marketing&apos;s Future</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Lisa Overman shares her extensive experience in marketing across diverse industries, focusing on her role in urgent and healthcare marketing. </p><p>She discusses the evolving role of urgent care as a bridge between primary and emergency room care, the growing trust in virtual care, and the impact of consumer expectations shaped by a convenience-driven society. </p><p>Lisa dives into the challenges of educating patients, building brand awareness, and addressing misconceptions in healthcare marketing while highlighting innovative strategies for driving consumer engagement.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Why Urgent Care is Becoming the New Primary Care</li><li>00:01:23 - Meet Lisa Overman: Marketing Expert with a Unique Perspective</li><li>00:02:16 - From Sandwiches to Healthcare: Lisa’s Career Journey</li><li>00:05:05 - How Consumer Behavior is Shaping Healthcare Trends</li><li>00:06:35 - Urgent Care’s Role in Filling Healthcare Gaps</li><li>00:08:12 - Virtual Care is Here to Stay: What It Means for Patients</li><li>00:16:26 - Unique Challenges of Marketing in the Healthcare Industry</li><li>00:24:52 - Breaking Down Stigma: Real-Life Urgent Care Stories</li><li>00:25:48 - Debunking Myths About Urgent Care Costs and Quality</li><li>00:27:39 - How Marketing Educates and Empowers Patients</li><li>00:29:05 - Evaluating the Impact of Marketing in Healthcare</li><li>00:30:43 - Building Trust Through Brand Recognition</li><li>00:33:36 - Why Marketing Must Be Holistic and Consistent</li><li>00:35:20 - Proving the ROI of Marketing in Healthcare</li><li>00:39:33 - Creating a Seamless Marketing Ecosystem for Patients</li><li>00:46:16 - Wrapping Up: Insights on Marketing and Healthcare Innovation</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Lisa Overman on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisa-overman-mba-69a6747/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Exer Urgent Care <a href="https://exerurgentcare.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Home</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://VujaDéDigital" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital&nbsp;</a></li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Lisa Overman shares her extensive experience in marketing across diverse industries, focusing on her role in urgent and healthcare marketing. </p><p>She discusses the evolving role of urgent care as a bridge between primary and emergency room care, the growing trust in virtual care, and the impact of consumer expectations shaped by a convenience-driven society. </p><p>Lisa dives into the challenges of educating patients, building brand awareness, and addressing misconceptions in healthcare marketing while highlighting innovative strategies for driving consumer engagement.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Why Urgent Care is Becoming the New Primary Care</li><li>00:01:23 - Meet Lisa Overman: Marketing Expert with a Unique Perspective</li><li>00:02:16 - From Sandwiches to Healthcare: Lisa’s Career Journey</li><li>00:05:05 - How Consumer Behavior is Shaping Healthcare Trends</li><li>00:06:35 - Urgent Care’s Role in Filling Healthcare Gaps</li><li>00:08:12 - Virtual Care is Here to Stay: What It Means for Patients</li><li>00:16:26 - Unique Challenges of Marketing in the Healthcare Industry</li><li>00:24:52 - Breaking Down Stigma: Real-Life Urgent Care Stories</li><li>00:25:48 - Debunking Myths About Urgent Care Costs and Quality</li><li>00:27:39 - How Marketing Educates and Empowers Patients</li><li>00:29:05 - Evaluating the Impact of Marketing in Healthcare</li><li>00:30:43 - Building Trust Through Brand Recognition</li><li>00:33:36 - Why Marketing Must Be Holistic and Consistent</li><li>00:35:20 - Proving the ROI of Marketing in Healthcare</li><li>00:39:33 - Creating a Seamless Marketing Ecosystem for Patients</li><li>00:46:16 - Wrapping Up: Insights on Marketing and Healthcare Innovation</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Lisa Overman on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisa-overman-mba-69a6747/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Exer Urgent Care <a href="https://exerurgentcare.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Home</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://VujaDéDigital" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital&nbsp;</a></li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/educating-the-market-marketing-that-moves-the-needle]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">efc57b01-dbf9-4705-92b1-c9c563e73e02</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/6f927ee9-76f8-4beb-a623-050d245e0bd2/CPO-Lisa-Overman-FInal.mp3" length="122864422" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>51:12</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>29</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>29</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Could AI Replace Media Agencies?</title><itunes:title>Could AI Replace Media Agencies?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Todd and Kelly dive deep into the transformative potential of AI in media and marketing. They address the provocative question: Could AI make media agencies obsolete within the next five years? </p><p>They explore the evolving roles of creativity, data privacy, and human nuance in marketing amidst AI advancements. The discussion reveals the challenges of maintaining differentiation in a highly automated world and outlines how agencies can adapt to stay relevant and innovative.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Opening Discussion: Data Privacy in a Competitive Landscape</li><li>00:01:11 - AI Disruption: Will Media Agencies Survive the Next Five Years?</li><li>00:02:13 - The Role of AI in Media Planning and Buying</li><li>00:04:47 - Barriers to Full AI Adoption in Marketing</li><li>00:06:24 - Standing Out: Creativity in an AI-Driven Marketplace</li><li>00:10:10 - The Human Edge: Nuance, Behavior, and Adaptation</li><li>00:14:57 - Media Agencies in 2029: A New Organizational Blueprint</li><li>00:26:21 - The Next Frontier: Marketing to AI Recommendation Engines</li><li>00:29:25 - Wrapping Up: Staying Relevant in a Rapidly Changing Industry</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Todd and Kelly dive deep into the transformative potential of AI in media and marketing. They address the provocative question: Could AI make media agencies obsolete within the next five years? </p><p>They explore the evolving roles of creativity, data privacy, and human nuance in marketing amidst AI advancements. The discussion reveals the challenges of maintaining differentiation in a highly automated world and outlines how agencies can adapt to stay relevant and innovative.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Opening Discussion: Data Privacy in a Competitive Landscape</li><li>00:01:11 - AI Disruption: Will Media Agencies Survive the Next Five Years?</li><li>00:02:13 - The Role of AI in Media Planning and Buying</li><li>00:04:47 - Barriers to Full AI Adoption in Marketing</li><li>00:06:24 - Standing Out: Creativity in an AI-Driven Marketplace</li><li>00:10:10 - The Human Edge: Nuance, Behavior, and Adaptation</li><li>00:14:57 - Media Agencies in 2029: A New Organizational Blueprint</li><li>00:26:21 - The Next Frontier: Marketing to AI Recommendation Engines</li><li>00:29:25 - Wrapping Up: Staying Relevant in a Rapidly Changing Industry</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/todd-and-kelly]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">c51088bb-32a9-4fd9-83c3-2fa10bbe1568</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 03 Dec 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/36c53e67-082f-444f-940c-35ab6cc943b0/CPO-Todd-and-Kelly-FInal.mp3" length="83563720" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>34:49</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>28</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>28</podcast:episode></item><item><title>The Outcome of a Human Centered Approach to Hiring</title><itunes:title>The Outcome of a Human Centered Approach to Hiring</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Kelly and Todd share how Vuja Dé Digital is redefining the hiring process. redefining the hiring process. By being themselves and focusing on candidates’ personalities, motivations, and intrinsic qualities that extend beyond their resumes; they connect in a more authentic and meaningful way.</p><p>They explore the challenges of conducting meaningful virtual interviews and navigating the shifting job market in a post-COVID world. Highlighting their human-centered and non-traditional interview style, they discuss asking thoughtful, in-depth questions to uncover alignment with company culture. </p><p>The episode emphasizes the power of fostering a workplace where employees feel valued, empowered, and invested, showcasing how these principles drive both hiring practices and daily operations.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Introduction: How Adaptability Shapes Modern Hiring</li><li>00:00:56 - Meet Kelly and Todd: Leaders Redefining Recruitment</li><li>00:01:03 - Hiring Post-COVID: Navigating New Challenges</li><li>00:01:45 - What Candidates Reveal: Key Takeaways from Recent Interviews</li><li>00:04:04 - Reinventing the Interview: Moving Beyond Resumes</li><li>00:07:41 - Hiring for the Human Factor: The Power of Personality and Motivation</li><li>00:09:14 - Candidate Feedback: What Sets Vuja Dé Digital Apart</li><li>00:11:05 - Workplace Culture Matters: Building Teams That Thrive</li><li>00:14:23 - Empowering Employees: Unlocking Potential and Fostering Growth</li><li>00:26:27 - Closing Thoughts: A Vision for the Future of Hiring</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Kelly and Todd share how Vuja Dé Digital is redefining the hiring process. redefining the hiring process. By being themselves and focusing on candidates’ personalities, motivations, and intrinsic qualities that extend beyond their resumes; they connect in a more authentic and meaningful way.</p><p>They explore the challenges of conducting meaningful virtual interviews and navigating the shifting job market in a post-COVID world. Highlighting their human-centered and non-traditional interview style, they discuss asking thoughtful, in-depth questions to uncover alignment with company culture. </p><p>The episode emphasizes the power of fostering a workplace where employees feel valued, empowered, and invested, showcasing how these principles drive both hiring practices and daily operations.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Introduction: How Adaptability Shapes Modern Hiring</li><li>00:00:56 - Meet Kelly and Todd: Leaders Redefining Recruitment</li><li>00:01:03 - Hiring Post-COVID: Navigating New Challenges</li><li>00:01:45 - What Candidates Reveal: Key Takeaways from Recent Interviews</li><li>00:04:04 - Reinventing the Interview: Moving Beyond Resumes</li><li>00:07:41 - Hiring for the Human Factor: The Power of Personality and Motivation</li><li>00:09:14 - Candidate Feedback: What Sets Vuja Dé Digital Apart</li><li>00:11:05 - Workplace Culture Matters: Building Teams That Thrive</li><li>00:14:23 - Empowering Employees: Unlocking Potential and Fostering Growth</li><li>00:26:27 - Closing Thoughts: A Vision for the Future of Hiring</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/building-a-team-that-goes-beyond-the-job-description]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">7551d98d-a9e7-46de-b170-be8c4d9b2f75</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/9bcebdac-6510-4c83-b85c-2bf8d6717c1c/CPO-Todd-and-Kelly-Final.mp3" length="70384422" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>29:20</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>27</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>27</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Building Brands Consumers Love</title><itunes:title>Building Brands Consumers Love</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this special look-back episode, Todd and Kelly revisit some of the most valuable insights shared by past guests—industry leaders who’ve tackled the challenges of building strong brands in competitive markets. </p><p>Reflecting on these conversations, Todd and Kelly explore key strategies for leveraging social proof, fostering community, and navigating the complexities of platforms like Amazon. </p><p>With insights on balancing brand growth with profitability, creating purpose-driven connections, and choosing between agency and in-house marketing, this highlight episode distills actionable wisdom for brand builders wanting to up level their marketing strategies and approach.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Introduction: Highlights from Top Brand-Building Conversations</li><li>00:00:44 - <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/social-proof-brand-loyalty-and-scaling-a-non/id1743279046?i=1000669808671" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Social Proof, Brand Loyalty, and Scaling a Non-Alcoholic Beverage with E-Commerce</a></li><li>00:11:22 - <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-the-pitch-real-talk-on-agency-selection-with/id1743279046?i=1000656256479" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Beyond the Pitch: Real Talk on Agency Selection with Liz Allen</a></li><li>00:22:50 - <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/when-creativity-meets-execution-with-oobli-head-of/id1743279046?i=1000657788240" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">When Creativity Meets Execution with Oobli Head of Direct to Consumer, Traci Warren</a></li><li>00:39:19 - <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/insights-into-the-evolving-cmo-role-with-juhi-pikale/id1743279046?i=1000665992305" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Insights Into the Evolving CMO Role with Juhi Pikale</a></li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this special look-back episode, Todd and Kelly revisit some of the most valuable insights shared by past guests—industry leaders who’ve tackled the challenges of building strong brands in competitive markets. </p><p>Reflecting on these conversations, Todd and Kelly explore key strategies for leveraging social proof, fostering community, and navigating the complexities of platforms like Amazon. </p><p>With insights on balancing brand growth with profitability, creating purpose-driven connections, and choosing between agency and in-house marketing, this highlight episode distills actionable wisdom for brand builders wanting to up level their marketing strategies and approach.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Introduction: Highlights from Top Brand-Building Conversations</li><li>00:00:44 - <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/social-proof-brand-loyalty-and-scaling-a-non/id1743279046?i=1000669808671" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Social Proof, Brand Loyalty, and Scaling a Non-Alcoholic Beverage with E-Commerce</a></li><li>00:11:22 - <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-the-pitch-real-talk-on-agency-selection-with/id1743279046?i=1000656256479" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Beyond the Pitch: Real Talk on Agency Selection with Liz Allen</a></li><li>00:22:50 - <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/when-creativity-meets-execution-with-oobli-head-of/id1743279046?i=1000657788240" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">When Creativity Meets Execution with Oobli Head of Direct to Consumer, Traci Warren</a></li><li>00:39:19 - <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/insights-into-the-evolving-cmo-role-with-juhi-pikale/id1743279046?i=1000665992305" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Insights Into the Evolving CMO Role with Juhi Pikale</a></li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/marketing-highlights-building-brands-consumers-love]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">ed050357-0338-41f1-92d4-4d228a6b2f56</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/2dbd3051-bf31-4d5d-8636-93826560f0f1/CPO-Ep-26-Rewind-Final.mp3" length="101292504" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>42:12</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>26</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>26</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Beyond CPMs:  Why Business Outcomes Surpass Traditional Metrics</title><itunes:title>Beyond CPMs:  Why Business Outcomes Surpass Traditional Metrics</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Todd and Kelly discuss the evolving landscape of media buying and "performance media." </p><p>They address the critical need for agencies and brands to shift from focusing solely on traditional metrics like CPM, to more meaningful metrics and strategies that drive real measurable business outcomes. </p><p>They delve into the art and science of media strategy, stressing the importance of aligning media investments with a brand’s broader business goals. </p><p>By valuing collaboration over transactions, Todd and Kelly argue for a model where media drives real growth, with agency relationships built on trust, shared objectives, and a commitment to long-term success.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Introduction: Building Strong Brand-Agency Partnerships</li><li>00:01:04 - Industry Insight: Highlights from Digiday's Media Buying Summit</li><li>00:01:37 - Redefining Media Performance for Business Impact</li><li>00:02:29 - Integrating Media with Business Goals</li><li>00:03:25 - Media Strategy as a Growth Engine, Not a Service</li><li>00:04:34 - Making the Most of Every Media Investment</li><li>00:06:11 - Finding Balance: The Art and Science of Media Strategy</li><li>00:10:41 - Aligning Procurement with Marketing for Success</li><li>00:12:34 - Trust and Partnership as Cornerstones of Success</li><li>00:20:01 - Why Weekly Check-Ins Outperform Quarterly Reviews</li><li>00:23:30 - Conclusion: The Path Forward for Media and Agency Relationships</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Todd and Kelly discuss the evolving landscape of media buying and "performance media." </p><p>They address the critical need for agencies and brands to shift from focusing solely on traditional metrics like CPM, to more meaningful metrics and strategies that drive real measurable business outcomes. </p><p>They delve into the art and science of media strategy, stressing the importance of aligning media investments with a brand’s broader business goals. </p><p>By valuing collaboration over transactions, Todd and Kelly argue for a model where media drives real growth, with agency relationships built on trust, shared objectives, and a commitment to long-term success.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Introduction: Building Strong Brand-Agency Partnerships</li><li>00:01:04 - Industry Insight: Highlights from Digiday's Media Buying Summit</li><li>00:01:37 - Redefining Media Performance for Business Impact</li><li>00:02:29 - Integrating Media with Business Goals</li><li>00:03:25 - Media Strategy as a Growth Engine, Not a Service</li><li>00:04:34 - Making the Most of Every Media Investment</li><li>00:06:11 - Finding Balance: The Art and Science of Media Strategy</li><li>00:10:41 - Aligning Procurement with Marketing for Success</li><li>00:12:34 - Trust and Partnership as Cornerstones of Success</li><li>00:20:01 - Why Weekly Check-Ins Outperform Quarterly Reviews</li><li>00:23:30 - Conclusion: The Path Forward for Media and Agency Relationships</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/cpo-ep-25]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">0e4e0e7a-3383-4f27-9cc2-4a25c3534058</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 05 Nov 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ebcec13b-f38d-493e-9afb-964ad021a6cd/CPO-Ep-25-Todd-and-Kelly-Final.mp3" length="67717843" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>28:13</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>25</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>25</podcast:episode></item><item><title>The Truth About AdTech</title><itunes:title>The Truth About AdTech</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Todd and Kelly dive into the complexities of AdTech, peeling back the layers of hype and exploring the reality of its applications in digital advertising. </p><p>They dissect the promises versus the pitfalls of AdTech, from AI-powered tools to data recovery in a privacy-first landscape. </p><p>With a candid look at what works, what doesn’t, and why passion and curiosity are essential for successful AdTech implementation, Todd and Kelly share insights into leveraging technology to get meaningful results. </p><p>They reveal that while AdTech can enhance campaigns, it often requires more input — not less— combined with an unwavering commitment to quality.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Setting the Stage: Exploring AdTech’s Evolution</li><li>00:01:50 - Perception vs. Reality: Breaking Down AdTech’s Hype</li><li>00:04:20 - Common Pitfalls: Where AdTech Often Falls Short</li><li>00:06:52 - Efficiency at a Cost: The Reality of AdTech Workloads</li><li>00:08:48 - The Champion’s Role: Why Passion Drives AdTech Success</li><li>00:14:27 - Limitations in Practice: AdTech’s Benefits and Shortcomings</li><li>00:19:39 - Shaping Strategy: AI’s Expanding Role in AdTech</li><li>00:20:55 - AI at Work: Practical Applications in Digital Strategy</li><li>00:21:28 - Data Exploration with AI: Finding Hidden Insights</li><li>00:24:08 - Future of Jobs: Will AdTech Replace the Human Touch?</li><li>00:27:00 - Creative Applications: Pushing AdTech’s Boundaries</li><li>00:29:35 - Challenges and Growth: Seizing Opportunities in AdTech</li><li>00:31:07 - Industry Anecdotes: The Role of Ads in Daily Life</li><li>00:33:03 - Political Ads and Targeting: Insights into Data Use</li><li>00:34:32 - Looking Ahead: Final Reflections on AdTech’s Future</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd and Kelly dive into the complexities of AdTech, peeling back the layers of hype and exploring the reality of its applications in digital advertising. </p><p>They dissect the promises versus the pitfalls of AdTech, from AI-powered tools to data recovery in a privacy-first landscape. </p><p>With a candid look at what works, what doesn’t, and why passion and curiosity are essential for successful AdTech implementation, Todd and Kelly share insights into leveraging technology to get meaningful results. </p><p>They reveal that while AdTech can enhance campaigns, it often requires more input — not less— combined with an unwavering commitment to quality.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Setting the Stage: Exploring AdTech’s Evolution</li><li>00:01:50 - Perception vs. Reality: Breaking Down AdTech’s Hype</li><li>00:04:20 - Common Pitfalls: Where AdTech Often Falls Short</li><li>00:06:52 - Efficiency at a Cost: The Reality of AdTech Workloads</li><li>00:08:48 - The Champion’s Role: Why Passion Drives AdTech Success</li><li>00:14:27 - Limitations in Practice: AdTech’s Benefits and Shortcomings</li><li>00:19:39 - Shaping Strategy: AI’s Expanding Role in AdTech</li><li>00:20:55 - AI at Work: Practical Applications in Digital Strategy</li><li>00:21:28 - Data Exploration with AI: Finding Hidden Insights</li><li>00:24:08 - Future of Jobs: Will AdTech Replace the Human Touch?</li><li>00:27:00 - Creative Applications: Pushing AdTech’s Boundaries</li><li>00:29:35 - Challenges and Growth: Seizing Opportunities in AdTech</li><li>00:31:07 - Industry Anecdotes: The Role of Ads in Daily Life</li><li>00:33:03 - Political Ads and Targeting: Insights into Data Use</li><li>00:34:32 - Looking Ahead: Final Reflections on AdTech’s Future</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/the-right-and-wrong-ways-to-use-ad-tech-tools]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">47ec043d-dc93-47e0-8238-49de6b06dc99</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/1e5b76ca-f1b9-4d48-8749-a73f541ab81a/Todd-and-Kelly-1029-Final.mp3" length="84951345" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>35:24</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>24</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>24</podcast:episode></item><item><title>AI in Advertising and Marketing: Hype or Reality?</title><itunes:title>AI in Advertising and Marketing: Hype or Reality?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this rewind episode, Todd and Kelly revisit some of the most compelling discussions around the role of AI in marketing. </p><p>They explore whether AI is genuinely transforming the industry or if it’s overhyped, addressing its ability to streamline tasks, analyze complex data, and enhance decision-making. </p><p>They critically examine how AI can impact media planning and discuss the balance between automation and human creativity. This episode offers a fresh look at the future of marketing, raising important questions about AI’s potential and its real-world applications.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Kicking Off the AI Debate: Is It Revolutionizing Marketing or Just Hype?</li><li>00:00:53 - <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/2bJHrnk6luOEvFUgZBnGhT?si=nUuUHcC2TEGYESG9fqOKlg" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AI + Marketing: Hype or Reality?</a></li><li>00:13:08 - <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/58CxGsBS7v8SIxuSNY1wDd" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Elevating Client Deliverables and Value with AI</a></li><li>00:26:04 - <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/6EGZcOzFB3vX022AQulhYy?si=OV_OxTT4QCCaCojRMhwdqA" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">What CMOs &amp; Brands Need to Know About AI in Marketing</a></li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this rewind episode, Todd and Kelly revisit some of the most compelling discussions around the role of AI in marketing. </p><p>They explore whether AI is genuinely transforming the industry or if it’s overhyped, addressing its ability to streamline tasks, analyze complex data, and enhance decision-making. </p><p>They critically examine how AI can impact media planning and discuss the balance between automation and human creativity. This episode offers a fresh look at the future of marketing, raising important questions about AI’s potential and its real-world applications.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Kicking Off the AI Debate: Is It Revolutionizing Marketing or Just Hype?</li><li>00:00:53 - <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/2bJHrnk6luOEvFUgZBnGhT?si=nUuUHcC2TEGYESG9fqOKlg" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AI + Marketing: Hype or Reality?</a></li><li>00:13:08 - <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/58CxGsBS7v8SIxuSNY1wDd" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Elevating Client Deliverables and Value with AI</a></li><li>00:26:04 - <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/6EGZcOzFB3vX022AQulhYy?si=OV_OxTT4QCCaCojRMhwdqA" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">What CMOs &amp; Brands Need to Know About AI in Marketing</a></li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/cpo-ep-23-ai-rewind]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">13c2fcac-8ba4-4774-a244-35bf0ce1edba</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 22 Oct 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/61d07183-ee7b-4dd8-8934-9d2e1ed97c1e/CPO-Ep-23-AI-Rewind-Final.mp3" length="86095508" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>35:52</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>23</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>23</podcast:episode></item><item><title>How Emerging Brands Are Leveraging Marketing Mix Modeling with Beatrice Ellington</title><itunes:title>How Emerging Brands Are Leveraging Marketing Mix Modeling with Beatrice Ellington</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this week's episode, we dive into the transformative power of AI-driven marketing insights with Beatrice Ellington of Keen Decision Systems. </p><p>Discover how advanced marketing / media mix modeling is helping businesses make smarter, data-driven decisions. </p><p>Beatrice shares how emerging brands and agencies alike are optimizing marketing budgets, driving long-term brand equity, and uncovering growth opportunities that might otherwise go unnoticed. </p><p>We explore the integration of AI, predictive analytics, and Bayesian regression models in forecasting marketing efforts and tying spend directly to business outcomes. </p><p>A must-listen for those looking to improve marketing performance without increasing costs.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Introduction: How Marketing Impacts Revenue</li><li>00:01:02 - Meet the Hosts and Beatrice Ellington from Keen Decision Systems</li><li>00:02:43 - What is Marketing Mix Modeling (MMM) and Why It Matters</li><li>00:04:51 - The AI Behind Keen's Platform: Transforming Marketing Decisions</li><li>00:06:22 - Case Studies: How Brands Are Optimizing Their Marketing Budgets</li><li>00:11:01 - Key Challenges in Marketing and Unlocking Data-Driven Insights</li><li>00:12:39 - Why Investing in Marketing is Crucial for Long-Term Growth</li><li>00:19:23 - How Agencies and Industries Are Leveraging MMM for Success</li><li>00:20:12 - The Evolution of MMM: From Large Brands to Emerging Companies</li><li>00:21:47 - The Value of Integrating Keen's AI Platform into an Agency's Tech Stack</li><li>00:23:15 - Data-Driven Decision Making: Optimizing Media Investments</li><li>00:25:03 - Case Studies: Brands Uncovering Missed Marketing Opportunities</li><li>00:27:31 - Final Thoughts: Maximizing Marketing Performance with AI</li><li>00:28:11 - Closing Remarks and Beatrice’s Last Ad Seen</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li><a href="https://keends.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Keen Decision Systems</a></li><li>Beatrice Ellington on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/beatricebronner" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this week's episode, we dive into the transformative power of AI-driven marketing insights with Beatrice Ellington of Keen Decision Systems. </p><p>Discover how advanced marketing / media mix modeling is helping businesses make smarter, data-driven decisions. </p><p>Beatrice shares how emerging brands and agencies alike are optimizing marketing budgets, driving long-term brand equity, and uncovering growth opportunities that might otherwise go unnoticed. </p><p>We explore the integration of AI, predictive analytics, and Bayesian regression models in forecasting marketing efforts and tying spend directly to business outcomes. </p><p>A must-listen for those looking to improve marketing performance without increasing costs.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Introduction: How Marketing Impacts Revenue</li><li>00:01:02 - Meet the Hosts and Beatrice Ellington from Keen Decision Systems</li><li>00:02:43 - What is Marketing Mix Modeling (MMM) and Why It Matters</li><li>00:04:51 - The AI Behind Keen's Platform: Transforming Marketing Decisions</li><li>00:06:22 - Case Studies: How Brands Are Optimizing Their Marketing Budgets</li><li>00:11:01 - Key Challenges in Marketing and Unlocking Data-Driven Insights</li><li>00:12:39 - Why Investing in Marketing is Crucial for Long-Term Growth</li><li>00:19:23 - How Agencies and Industries Are Leveraging MMM for Success</li><li>00:20:12 - The Evolution of MMM: From Large Brands to Emerging Companies</li><li>00:21:47 - The Value of Integrating Keen's AI Platform into an Agency's Tech Stack</li><li>00:23:15 - Data-Driven Decision Making: Optimizing Media Investments</li><li>00:25:03 - Case Studies: Brands Uncovering Missed Marketing Opportunities</li><li>00:27:31 - Final Thoughts: Maximizing Marketing Performance with AI</li><li>00:28:11 - Closing Remarks and Beatrice’s Last Ad Seen</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li><a href="https://keends.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Keen Decision Systems</a></li><li>Beatrice Ellington on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/beatricebronner" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/ep-22]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">a5bf6874-45a8-4c11-a4f6-bd17985aa9c0</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/153578ad-7e1d-4a4b-adf4-3720496ac61b/Ep-22-FInal.mp3" length="71779361" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>29:54</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>22</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>22</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Real Talk on Agency Client Relationships Rewind</title><itunes:title>Real Talk on Agency Client Relationships Rewind</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we explore the tough decisions that marketing leaders face when choosing agency partners and balancing media strategies with performance expectations. </p><p>We dive into the intricacies of building strong client-agency relationships, navigating the cost-value equation, and determining whether to keep marketing functions in-house or with external agencies. </p><p>Packed with insights and practical examples, this episode highlights the importance of transparency, accountability, and strategic alignment in driving long-term marketing success.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Get ready for a marketing deep dive that challenges the status quo!</li><li>00:01:13 - <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/0C3zF6q3jOmuHFSKxnpL2N?si=IrLm7LeRQ5uTIB8nz6R4XQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Beyond the Pitch: Real Talk on Agency Selection with Liz Allen</a></li><li>00:13:05 - <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/2XkkBGcXUm4RfmotRSKFZQ?si=mKDo61GgRkOur7fkiy3Qsw" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Truth in Advertising: Auditing Your Agency’s Work</a></li><li>00:24:39 - <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/3i7wY8Pk8RrfiqQ3tQUOhz?si=Dvi6PkxAQzOqcdtuR90SlQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">In-House vs Agency: A CMO's Dilemma</a></li><li>00:39:52 - <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/1cJIV6Q2E1MGwIlyBJyeFo?si=GwCizdN5SvSTTenxyvbnyw" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Insights Into the Evolving CMO Role with Juhi Pikale</a></li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we explore the tough decisions that marketing leaders face when choosing agency partners and balancing media strategies with performance expectations. </p><p>We dive into the intricacies of building strong client-agency relationships, navigating the cost-value equation, and determining whether to keep marketing functions in-house or with external agencies. </p><p>Packed with insights and practical examples, this episode highlights the importance of transparency, accountability, and strategic alignment in driving long-term marketing success.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Get ready for a marketing deep dive that challenges the status quo!</li><li>00:01:13 - <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/0C3zF6q3jOmuHFSKxnpL2N?si=IrLm7LeRQ5uTIB8nz6R4XQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Beyond the Pitch: Real Talk on Agency Selection with Liz Allen</a></li><li>00:13:05 - <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/2XkkBGcXUm4RfmotRSKFZQ?si=mKDo61GgRkOur7fkiy3Qsw" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Truth in Advertising: Auditing Your Agency’s Work</a></li><li>00:24:39 - <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/3i7wY8Pk8RrfiqQ3tQUOhz?si=Dvi6PkxAQzOqcdtuR90SlQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">In-House vs Agency: A CMO's Dilemma</a></li><li>00:39:52 - <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/1cJIV6Q2E1MGwIlyBJyeFo?si=GwCizdN5SvSTTenxyvbnyw" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Insights Into the Evolving CMO Role with Juhi Pikale</a></li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/rewind]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">cff97aa0-2883-4b31-a2d2-dd666d1be8eb</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 01 Oct 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/dc92a22e-e2a8-4512-b115-b94e08932114/CPO-Ep-21-Highlights-Final.mp3" length="122659622" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>51:06</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>21</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>21</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Navigating Multi-Million Dollar Ad Budgets with Multiple Agencies</title><itunes:title>Navigating Multi-Million Dollar Ad Budgets with Multiple Agencies</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Todd and Kelly sit down with Karen Kelly, former head of marketing for UPS, where she spent over 22 years managing multi-million-dollar marketing efforts. </p><p>Karen shares her insights on building lasting, collaborative relationships with agencies, stressing the importance of clear communication and proactive engagement to drive business results. </p><p>She delves into the challenges of navigating agency turnover and the necessity of working with partners who truly invest in your brand's success. </p><p>The conversation also touches on how to balance agency fees with value, while keeping strategies innovative and aligned with long-term business goals, all without falling into complacency.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Setting the Stage: Introducing Karen Kelly and the Power of Long-Term Marketing Leadership</li><li>00:01:10 - Karen Kelly’s Leadership in Franchise and Consumer Marketing</li><li>00:02:34 - Strengthening Agency-Client Relationships for Better Outcomes</li><li>00:05:02 - Overcoming Challenges in Managing Large-Scale Agency Partnerships</li><li>00:07:01 - The Value of Long-Term Agency Relationships in Driving Results</li><li>00:10:15 - Finding the Right Balance Between Agency Fees and Value</li><li>00:19:22 - Ensuring Transparent Communication to Maximize Agency Effectiveness</li><li>00:27:10 - Key Advice for Executives Managing Complex Marketing Teams</li><li>00:29:25 - Final Thoughts for Marketing Leaders</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Karen Kelly on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/karen-kelly-8587744902/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Todd and Kelly sit down with Karen Kelly, former head of marketing for UPS, where she spent over 22 years managing multi-million-dollar marketing efforts. </p><p>Karen shares her insights on building lasting, collaborative relationships with agencies, stressing the importance of clear communication and proactive engagement to drive business results. </p><p>She delves into the challenges of navigating agency turnover and the necessity of working with partners who truly invest in your brand's success. </p><p>The conversation also touches on how to balance agency fees with value, while keeping strategies innovative and aligned with long-term business goals, all without falling into complacency.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Setting the Stage: Introducing Karen Kelly and the Power of Long-Term Marketing Leadership</li><li>00:01:10 - Karen Kelly’s Leadership in Franchise and Consumer Marketing</li><li>00:02:34 - Strengthening Agency-Client Relationships for Better Outcomes</li><li>00:05:02 - Overcoming Challenges in Managing Large-Scale Agency Partnerships</li><li>00:07:01 - The Value of Long-Term Agency Relationships in Driving Results</li><li>00:10:15 - Finding the Right Balance Between Agency Fees and Value</li><li>00:19:22 - Ensuring Transparent Communication to Maximize Agency Effectiveness</li><li>00:27:10 - Key Advice for Executives Managing Complex Marketing Teams</li><li>00:29:25 - Final Thoughts for Marketing Leaders</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Karen Kelly on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/karen-kelly-8587744902/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/keys-to-maintaining-agency-relationships-and-avoiding-complacency-with-karen-kelly]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">29320fdd-c51e-4162-bf6e-27b44d0a352f</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/baf7e683-82f2-496a-91ce-c4bfe947a8da/Karen-Kelly-Final.mp3" length="72553630" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>30:14</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>20</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>20</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Social Proof, Brand Loyalty, and Scaling a Non-Alcoholic Beverage with E-Commerce</title><itunes:title>Social Proof, Brand Loyalty, and Scaling a Non-Alcoholic Beverage with E-Commerce</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Stu Haack, head of direct-to-consumer e-commerce at HOP WTR, shares the challenges and opportunities of building a brand that succeeds in both the e-commerce and retail markets. </p><p>From managing the balance between DTC growth and mass retail distribution to creating social proof and brand loyalty in the competitive non-alcoholic beverage space, Stu offers actionable insights drawn from his extensive experience at top CPG companies. </p><p>Listeners will learn how to approach marketing, community building, and product differentiation to thrive in an ever-changing consumer landscape.</p><p>Chapters</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Social Proof: Why It’s the Backbone of Brand Loyalty</li><li>00:01:31 - Stu Haack’s Career Path: Creative to Data Geek</li><li>00:01:56 - The E-Commerce Challenge: Competing with Retail Giants</li><li>00:04:48 - HOPWTR’s Journey: From DTC Beginnings to Walmart Shelves</li><li>00:06:04 - Balancing E-Commerce and Retail Sales: How HOPWTR Is Adapting</li><li>00:10:00 - Building a Community Around HOPWTR: Lessons from Dr. Squatch</li><li>00:13:15 - Using Community to Drive Social Proof and Sales</li><li>00:15:45 - The Challenge of Building Social Proof in the E-Commerce Space</li><li>00:17:23 - Amazon’s Role in DTC Success: Opportunity or Pitfall?</li><li>00:25:48 - Paid Media Realities: Is Your Ad Budget Really Working?</li><li>00:31:18 - Final Takeaways: What’s Next for HOPWTR’s Growth?</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Stu Haack on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stuhaack/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://www.hawaiianhostgroup.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hawaiian Host Group</a></li><li><a href="https://hopwtr.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">HOP WTR</a> </li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stu Haack, head of direct-to-consumer e-commerce at HOP WTR, shares the challenges and opportunities of building a brand that succeeds in both the e-commerce and retail markets. </p><p>From managing the balance between DTC growth and mass retail distribution to creating social proof and brand loyalty in the competitive non-alcoholic beverage space, Stu offers actionable insights drawn from his extensive experience at top CPG companies. </p><p>Listeners will learn how to approach marketing, community building, and product differentiation to thrive in an ever-changing consumer landscape.</p><p>Chapters</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Social Proof: Why It’s the Backbone of Brand Loyalty</li><li>00:01:31 - Stu Haack’s Career Path: Creative to Data Geek</li><li>00:01:56 - The E-Commerce Challenge: Competing with Retail Giants</li><li>00:04:48 - HOPWTR’s Journey: From DTC Beginnings to Walmart Shelves</li><li>00:06:04 - Balancing E-Commerce and Retail Sales: How HOPWTR Is Adapting</li><li>00:10:00 - Building a Community Around HOPWTR: Lessons from Dr. Squatch</li><li>00:13:15 - Using Community to Drive Social Proof and Sales</li><li>00:15:45 - The Challenge of Building Social Proof in the E-Commerce Space</li><li>00:17:23 - Amazon’s Role in DTC Success: Opportunity or Pitfall?</li><li>00:25:48 - Paid Media Realities: Is Your Ad Budget Really Working?</li><li>00:31:18 - Final Takeaways: What’s Next for HOPWTR’s Growth?</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Stu Haack on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/stuhaack/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://www.hawaiianhostgroup.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Hawaiian Host Group</a></li><li><a href="https://hopwtr.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">HOP WTR</a> </li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/with-stu-haack]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">28324fd5-dd3b-4365-82ba-7a9699a36f0a</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 17 Sep 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/272b21af-6001-4793-96af-f4da7f291b32/Stu-Haack-0917-Final.mp3" length="82527181" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>34:23</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>19</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>19</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Rethinking the Pitch Process: A Smarter, Better Way to Find the Right Agency Partner</title><itunes:title>Rethinking the Pitch Process: A Smarter, Better Way to Find the Right Agency Partner</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this week's episode, Kelly and Todd explore the agency pitch process, addressing why the current RFP approach often falls short for decision-makers like CMOs and brand managers. </p><p>They emphasize the importance of selecting agencies based on long-term strategic thinking rather than surface-level presentations or buzzwords like “proprietary tools or processes.” </p><p>The conversation highlights how brands can benefit from focusing on agency alignment with their business goals and finding partners who prioritize genuine collaboration over bells and whistles. </p><p>By adopting a more interview-style evaluation, brands can make better informed selections, and forge stronger, more productive relationships with their agencies.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Introduction: The Problem with Traditional Agency Pitches</li><li>00:01:05 - Meet the Hosts: Kelly and Todd’s Experience</li><li>00:02:03 - The Agency-Brand Relationship Dynamics</li><li>00:03:11 - Challenges with the RFP Process</li><li>00:06:00 - Reliance on Capabilities and the Inherent Disconnect</li><li>00:08:15 - A Better Approach to Selecting Agencies</li><li>00:12:26 - Evaluating Agencies: Moving Beyond Capabilities Decks</li><li>00:13:00 - Aligning Expectations and Budget with Agencies</li><li>00:17:00 - Challenges of Evaluating Agencies in 90-Minute Pitches</li><li>00:18:00 - Long-Term Commitment vs. Short-Term Decisions</li><li>00:24:00 - Evaluating References and Case Studies</li><li>00:25:02 - Final Thoughts </li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this week's episode, Kelly and Todd explore the agency pitch process, addressing why the current RFP approach often falls short for decision-makers like CMOs and brand managers. </p><p>They emphasize the importance of selecting agencies based on long-term strategic thinking rather than surface-level presentations or buzzwords like “proprietary tools or processes.” </p><p>The conversation highlights how brands can benefit from focusing on agency alignment with their business goals and finding partners who prioritize genuine collaboration over bells and whistles. </p><p>By adopting a more interview-style evaluation, brands can make better informed selections, and forge stronger, more productive relationships with their agencies.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Introduction: The Problem with Traditional Agency Pitches</li><li>00:01:05 - Meet the Hosts: Kelly and Todd’s Experience</li><li>00:02:03 - The Agency-Brand Relationship Dynamics</li><li>00:03:11 - Challenges with the RFP Process</li><li>00:06:00 - Reliance on Capabilities and the Inherent Disconnect</li><li>00:08:15 - A Better Approach to Selecting Agencies</li><li>00:12:26 - Evaluating Agencies: Moving Beyond Capabilities Decks</li><li>00:13:00 - Aligning Expectations and Budget with Agencies</li><li>00:17:00 - Challenges of Evaluating Agencies in 90-Minute Pitches</li><li>00:18:00 - Long-Term Commitment vs. Short-Term Decisions</li><li>00:24:00 - Evaluating References and Case Studies</li><li>00:25:02 - Final Thoughts </li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/how-to-ask-the-right-questions-when-choosing-an-agency]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">05abda27-1557-4842-9aa0-88a63fa5179f</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 10 Sep 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ab87dd78-df01-4d49-978a-765e4b811509/CPO-Ep-18-0910-Final.mp3" length="64506871" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>26:53</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>18</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>18</podcast:episode></item><item><title>What CMOs &amp; Brands Need to Know About AI in Marketing with David Berkowitz, Founder AI Marketers Guild</title><itunes:title>What CMOs &amp; Brands Need to Know About AI in Marketing with David Berkowitz, Founder AI Marketers Guild</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this week's episode, David Berkowitz, founder of the AI Marketers Guild, dives into the complexities of AI’s role in marketing from research to creative and beyond. </p><p>He shares his journey from agency life to building a community that empowers marketers to leverage AI effectively. </p><p>David explores the balance between innovation and practicality, offering real-world examples of AI-driven success while addressing common challenges and misconceptions. </p><p>This conversation provides valuable insights into how AI can be both a tool for efficiency and a catalyst for creativity, making it a must-listen for professionals navigating the evolving AI marketing landscape.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Welcoming David Berkowitz to Contrary to Popular Opinion!</li><li>00:00:54 - From Agency Life to AI Marketers Guild</li><li>00:02:49 - Inside the AI Marketers Guild: Purpose and Vision</li><li>00:05:29 - Mastering AI in the Marketing World</li><li>00:09:29 - How AI is Transforming Workflows</li><li>00:14:40 - AI: A Tool for Enhancing Creative Processes</li><li>00:16:20 - AI as a Co-Pilot: Enhancing Research and Analysis</li><li>00:18:10 - The Role of AI in Creating "Keep the Lights On" Content</li><li>00:21:57 - What CMOs Need to Know About AI</li><li>00:25:19 - The Future of AI in Marketing: Final Insights</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>David on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/dberkowitz/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="https://aimarketersguild.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AI Marketers Guild</a></li><li><a href="https://foaf.pro/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FOAF </a>CXO Network</li><li><a href="https://serialmarketer.net/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Serial Marketer</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this week's episode, David Berkowitz, founder of the AI Marketers Guild, dives into the complexities of AI’s role in marketing from research to creative and beyond. </p><p>He shares his journey from agency life to building a community that empowers marketers to leverage AI effectively. </p><p>David explores the balance between innovation and practicality, offering real-world examples of AI-driven success while addressing common challenges and misconceptions. </p><p>This conversation provides valuable insights into how AI can be both a tool for efficiency and a catalyst for creativity, making it a must-listen for professionals navigating the evolving AI marketing landscape.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Welcoming David Berkowitz to Contrary to Popular Opinion!</li><li>00:00:54 - From Agency Life to AI Marketers Guild</li><li>00:02:49 - Inside the AI Marketers Guild: Purpose and Vision</li><li>00:05:29 - Mastering AI in the Marketing World</li><li>00:09:29 - How AI is Transforming Workflows</li><li>00:14:40 - AI: A Tool for Enhancing Creative Processes</li><li>00:16:20 - AI as a Co-Pilot: Enhancing Research and Analysis</li><li>00:18:10 - The Role of AI in Creating "Keep the Lights On" Content</li><li>00:21:57 - What CMOs Need to Know About AI</li><li>00:25:19 - The Future of AI in Marketing: Final Insights</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>David on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/dberkowitz/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="https://aimarketersguild.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AI Marketers Guild</a></li><li><a href="https://foaf.pro/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">FOAF </a>CXO Network</li><li><a href="https://serialmarketer.net/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Serial Marketer</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/with-david-berkowitz]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">cfdd3e2c-05aa-45b9-935a-6c86a48dda7f</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 03 Sep 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/07085b14-8b41-4ca8-97d7-4a265acaf788/David-Berkowitz-Final.mp3" length="77447932" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>32:16</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>17</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>17</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Elevating Client Deliverables and Value with AI</title><itunes:title>Elevating Client Deliverables and Value with AI</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we dive into the transformative potential of AI within the marketing and ad agency space. </p><p>Jill Randell, with her extensive experience at Google, Twitter, and now as co-founder of a stealth AI startup, shares her insights on how agencies can harness AI to not only improve efficiency but also enhance the value they deliver to clients. </p><p>We explore the challenges and opportunities of AI adoption, the critical role of innovation, and the importance of storytelling with data. </p><p>Whether you're a small agency looking to stay agile or a larger firm navigating complex workflows, this episode provides valuable perspectives on the future of agency work and the role of AI.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - The Role of Innovation in Modern Agencies</li><li>00:01:07 - Jill Randell’s Expertise in AI and Marketing</li><li>00:02:03 - From Google to AI Startups</li><li>00:03:11 - AI’s Transformative Impact on Agency Workflows</li><li>00:04:41 - Navigating Challenges and Leveraging Opportunities with AI Tools</li><li>00:08:28 - Balancing Efficiency and Quality: Key Considerations in AI Adoption</li><li>00:12:05 - Why Innovation Should be a Priority for Agencies</li><li>00:18:25 - Inside the Vision: The New AI Product Revolutionizing Agency Operations</li><li>00:25:25 - Entrepreneurial Insights: The Future of AI in the Marketing Industry</li><li>00:30:44 - Closing Remarks: Final Thoughts on AI’s Role in Agencies</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Jill Randell on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jillrandell/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>AI Startup <a href="https://www.deckfusion.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">DeckFusion</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we dive into the transformative potential of AI within the marketing and ad agency space. </p><p>Jill Randell, with her extensive experience at Google, Twitter, and now as co-founder of a stealth AI startup, shares her insights on how agencies can harness AI to not only improve efficiency but also enhance the value they deliver to clients. </p><p>We explore the challenges and opportunities of AI adoption, the critical role of innovation, and the importance of storytelling with data. </p><p>Whether you're a small agency looking to stay agile or a larger firm navigating complex workflows, this episode provides valuable perspectives on the future of agency work and the role of AI.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - The Role of Innovation in Modern Agencies</li><li>00:01:07 - Jill Randell’s Expertise in AI and Marketing</li><li>00:02:03 - From Google to AI Startups</li><li>00:03:11 - AI’s Transformative Impact on Agency Workflows</li><li>00:04:41 - Navigating Challenges and Leveraging Opportunities with AI Tools</li><li>00:08:28 - Balancing Efficiency and Quality: Key Considerations in AI Adoption</li><li>00:12:05 - Why Innovation Should be a Priority for Agencies</li><li>00:18:25 - Inside the Vision: The New AI Product Revolutionizing Agency Operations</li><li>00:25:25 - Entrepreneurial Insights: The Future of AI in the Marketing Industry</li><li>00:30:44 - Closing Remarks: Final Thoughts on AI’s Role in Agencies</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Jill Randell on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jillrandell/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>AI Startup <a href="https://www.deckfusion.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">DeckFusion</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/cpo-ep-16]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">27220f1e-7fb0-4df2-9886-76d91d6a8fcf</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/5f0416c9-9b51-4437-914f-3837c7f67fd9/CPO-Ep-16-Final.mp3" length="77721696" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>32:23</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>16</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>16</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Insights Into the Evolving CMO Role with Juhi Pikale</title><itunes:title>Insights Into the Evolving CMO Role with Juhi Pikale</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Juhi Pikale, a seasoned marketing expert, dives into the intricacies of performance marketing and agency relationships.&nbsp;</p><p>With a background in managing nearly a billion dollars across high-profile brands like Fabletics, Juhi shares her profound insights on optimizing marketing budgets, the significance of agency selection, and the evolving dynamics between brands and marketing agencies.&nbsp;</p><p>Her practical advice on proactive solutions and the strategic alignment of passion with performance offers listeners valuable strategies for navigating the complex digital marketing landscape.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Welcome Juhi Pikale</li><li>00:01:45 - Juhi Pikale's Professional Journey: Insights from managing billion-dollar budgets</li><li>00:03:57 - Deep Dive into Performance Marketing</li><li>00:06:48 - Selecting the Right Marketing Agency</li><li>00:12:50 - Evaluating Cost vs. Quality in Marketing</li><li>00:15:22 - Criteria for Choosing the Right Agency</li><li>00:18:07 - Importance of Team Introductions in the Pitch Process</li><li>00:20:34 - The Role of Brand in Performance Marketing</li><li>00:23:01 - Integrating Brand Strategy and Performance Marketing</li><li>00:27:15 - Comparison: In-House Teams vs. External Agencies</li><li>00:31:14 - Marketing to Gen Z</li><li>00:32:43 - Advancements in AI and Their Impact on Marketing</li><li>00:36:49 - Key takeaways and final thoughts on future marketing trends</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Juhi Pikale on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/juhi-p-91b35449/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juhi Pikale, a seasoned marketing expert, dives into the intricacies of performance marketing and agency relationships.&nbsp;</p><p>With a background in managing nearly a billion dollars across high-profile brands like Fabletics, Juhi shares her profound insights on optimizing marketing budgets, the significance of agency selection, and the evolving dynamics between brands and marketing agencies.&nbsp;</p><p>Her practical advice on proactive solutions and the strategic alignment of passion with performance offers listeners valuable strategies for navigating the complex digital marketing landscape.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Welcome Juhi Pikale</li><li>00:01:45 - Juhi Pikale's Professional Journey: Insights from managing billion-dollar budgets</li><li>00:03:57 - Deep Dive into Performance Marketing</li><li>00:06:48 - Selecting the Right Marketing Agency</li><li>00:12:50 - Evaluating Cost vs. Quality in Marketing</li><li>00:15:22 - Criteria for Choosing the Right Agency</li><li>00:18:07 - Importance of Team Introductions in the Pitch Process</li><li>00:20:34 - The Role of Brand in Performance Marketing</li><li>00:23:01 - Integrating Brand Strategy and Performance Marketing</li><li>00:27:15 - Comparison: In-House Teams vs. External Agencies</li><li>00:31:14 - Marketing to Gen Z</li><li>00:32:43 - Advancements in AI and Their Impact on Marketing</li><li>00:36:49 - Key takeaways and final thoughts on future marketing trends</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Juhi Pikale on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/juhi-p-91b35449/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/cpo-ep-15]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">3008445c-20bb-4a4c-9bd8-430f3a28b82c</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 20 Aug 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/f24c9253-6f81-426a-b691-caeeab5126dc/CPO-Ep-15-Final.mp3" length="91983508" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>38:20</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>15</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>15</podcast:episode></item><item><title>The Dynamics of Cultural Relevancy in Marketing</title><itunes:title>The Dynamics of Cultural Relevancy in Marketing</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Todd and Kelly explore cultural relevancy in relation to marketing, advertising, and branding. </p><p>How do you balance consumer perception with cause marketing like sustainability for example, while ensuring you stay true to your brand and brand promise? </p><p>Enjoy the discussion as they explore the risks and rewards of being seen as culturally relevant.</p><p>From the Olympics to navigating marketing and advertising challenges in an election year. Enjoy this week's episode!</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Introduction: Brand Responsibilities in a Digital World</li><li>00:01:09 - Understanding Cultural Relevance in Marketing</li><li>00:03:18 - Exploring the Spectrum of Cultural Impact</li><li>00:04:00 - Weighing the Risks and Rewards of Cultural Relevance</li><li>00:05:11 - Case Study: Olympics and Brand Alignment</li><li>00:07:03 - The Importance of Authenticity in Cultural Engagement</li><li>00:09:40 - Strategies for Navigating Cultural Relevance in Marketing</li><li>00:13:42 - Cause Marketing: Balancing Consumer Perception</li><li>00:24:41 - Final Thoughts: Personal Brand Advocacy</li><li>00:25:53 - Tackling Election Year Advertising Challenges</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellytmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Todd and Kelly explore cultural relevancy in relation to marketing, advertising, and branding. </p><p>How do you balance consumer perception with cause marketing like sustainability for example, while ensuring you stay true to your brand and brand promise? </p><p>Enjoy the discussion as they explore the risks and rewards of being seen as culturally relevant.</p><p>From the Olympics to navigating marketing and advertising challenges in an election year. Enjoy this week's episode!</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Introduction: Brand Responsibilities in a Digital World</li><li>00:01:09 - Understanding Cultural Relevance in Marketing</li><li>00:03:18 - Exploring the Spectrum of Cultural Impact</li><li>00:04:00 - Weighing the Risks and Rewards of Cultural Relevance</li><li>00:05:11 - Case Study: Olympics and Brand Alignment</li><li>00:07:03 - The Importance of Authenticity in Cultural Engagement</li><li>00:09:40 - Strategies for Navigating Cultural Relevance in Marketing</li><li>00:13:42 - Cause Marketing: Balancing Consumer Perception</li><li>00:24:41 - Final Thoughts: Personal Brand Advocacy</li><li>00:25:53 - Tackling Election Year Advertising Challenges</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellytmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/driving-growth-with-ai-and-data-driven-decisions]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">f0bd9d20-1a3a-464e-a8de-278312adc094</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c8719060-8799-4c82-b0fa-dafb1eb9a8a3/CPO-Ep-14-Final.mp3" length="84573092" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>35:14</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>14</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>14</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Navigating Transparency in Media Buying</title><itunes:title>Navigating Transparency in Media Buying</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Kelly Maguire and Todd Juneau, co-founders of Vuja Dé Digital; dive deep into the complexities of agency compensation models. They discuss hidden costs and practices that are sometimes used without the marketer's awareness, within the media buying industry. </p><p>They discuss the importance of fair compensation, transparency, and how to ensure you're getting the value you pay for in advertising. </p><p>The episode sheds light on the pitfalls of low agency fees, the necessity of aligning incentives, and the impact of hidden ad taxes. </p><p>This engaging discussion offers actionable insights for marketers to navigate the intricate landscape of media buying effectively.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Introduction: The Hidden Costs of Learning in Business</li><li>00:01:08 - Welcome: Diving into Hidden Costs in Media Buying</li><li>00:02:22 - Unpacking Agency Fees: Are You Getting What You Pay For?</li><li>00:04:21 - The Dark Side of Low Fees: What You Need to Know</li><li>00:06:41 - Agency Compensation Models: Secrets Revealed</li><li>00:08:39 - Client-Agency Relationships: Dynamics and Realities</li><li>00:11:47 - Transparency and Trust: Keys to Successful Media Buying</li><li>00:14:00 - Why Low Fees are Challenging for Small Agencies</li><li>00:17:00 - Breaking Down the Real Cost of Low Fees</li><li>00:19:01 - Expert Tips for Marketers: Navigating the Media Buying Maze</li><li>00:22:00 - The Importance of Challenging Your Agency's Strategies</li><li>00:25:00 - Building Strong Agency-Client Relationships</li><li>00:27:00 - Prioritizing Clients and the Impact on Service Quality</li><li>00:28:19 - Conclusion: Final Thoughts on Fair Compensation and Transparency</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Kelly Maguire and Todd Juneau, co-founders of Vuja Dé Digital; dive deep into the complexities of agency compensation models. They discuss hidden costs and practices that are sometimes used without the marketer's awareness, within the media buying industry. </p><p>They discuss the importance of fair compensation, transparency, and how to ensure you're getting the value you pay for in advertising. </p><p>The episode sheds light on the pitfalls of low agency fees, the necessity of aligning incentives, and the impact of hidden ad taxes. </p><p>This engaging discussion offers actionable insights for marketers to navigate the intricate landscape of media buying effectively.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Introduction: The Hidden Costs of Learning in Business</li><li>00:01:08 - Welcome: Diving into Hidden Costs in Media Buying</li><li>00:02:22 - Unpacking Agency Fees: Are You Getting What You Pay For?</li><li>00:04:21 - The Dark Side of Low Fees: What You Need to Know</li><li>00:06:41 - Agency Compensation Models: Secrets Revealed</li><li>00:08:39 - Client-Agency Relationships: Dynamics and Realities</li><li>00:11:47 - Transparency and Trust: Keys to Successful Media Buying</li><li>00:14:00 - Why Low Fees are Challenging for Small Agencies</li><li>00:17:00 - Breaking Down the Real Cost of Low Fees</li><li>00:19:01 - Expert Tips for Marketers: Navigating the Media Buying Maze</li><li>00:22:00 - The Importance of Challenging Your Agency's Strategies</li><li>00:25:00 - Building Strong Agency-Client Relationships</li><li>00:27:00 - Prioritizing Clients and the Impact on Service Quality</li><li>00:28:19 - Conclusion: Final Thoughts on Fair Compensation and Transparency</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/why-your-ad-budget-might-be-wasted-and-how-to-fix-it]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">aed3566b-2919-409c-bbbe-40fde811906b</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/5029a109-0820-4ccf-814b-97fd09acad15/CPO-Ep-13-Final.mp3" length="78644341" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>32:46</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>13</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>13</podcast:episode></item><item><title>In-House vs Agency: A CMO&apos;s Dilemma</title><itunes:title>In-House vs Agency: A CMO&apos;s Dilemma</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this week's episode, Todd Juneau and Kelly Maguire, co-founders of Vuja Dé Digital, dive into a compelling discussion about the evolving relationship between CMOs, marketing teams and agencies. </p><p>Sparked by a thought-provoking industry article from a current CMO, they explore the pros and cons of moving marketing efforts in-house versus using the right external agency. </p><p>They dissect the pros and cons, touching on issues like turnover, cost efficiency, and access to senior talent. </p><p>The conversation also highlights the importance of fresh ideas and the constant need for innovation in both creative and media strategies. </p><p>Whether you're considering building an in-house team or evaluating your agency's performance, this episode offers critical insights into making informed decisions.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Introduction to In-House vs. Agency Debate</li><li>00:01:21 - CMO's Perspective on Agencies</li><li>00:02:06 - Evaluating In-House vs. Agency: Pros and Cons</li><li>00:04:30 - Agency and Client Turnover Challenges</li><li>00:07:00 - Access to Cutting-Edge Technology and Tools</li><li>00:08:58 - Assessing In-House Team Size and Competency</li><li>00:13:20 - CMO's Frustration with Onboarding and Strategy</li><li>00:15:45 - Balancing Research and Common Sense</li><li>00:21:22 - Creative Ideas vs. Media Execution</li><li>00:23:16 - Keeping Media Fresh and Engaging</li><li>00:31:10 - Teaser for Next Episode: The Pitch Process</li><li>00:32:32 - Final Thoughts and Sign-Off</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this week's episode, Todd Juneau and Kelly Maguire, co-founders of Vuja Dé Digital, dive into a compelling discussion about the evolving relationship between CMOs, marketing teams and agencies. </p><p>Sparked by a thought-provoking industry article from a current CMO, they explore the pros and cons of moving marketing efforts in-house versus using the right external agency. </p><p>They dissect the pros and cons, touching on issues like turnover, cost efficiency, and access to senior talent. </p><p>The conversation also highlights the importance of fresh ideas and the constant need for innovation in both creative and media strategies. </p><p>Whether you're considering building an in-house team or evaluating your agency's performance, this episode offers critical insights into making informed decisions.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Introduction to In-House vs. Agency Debate</li><li>00:01:21 - CMO's Perspective on Agencies</li><li>00:02:06 - Evaluating In-House vs. Agency: Pros and Cons</li><li>00:04:30 - Agency and Client Turnover Challenges</li><li>00:07:00 - Access to Cutting-Edge Technology and Tools</li><li>00:08:58 - Assessing In-House Team Size and Competency</li><li>00:13:20 - CMO's Frustration with Onboarding and Strategy</li><li>00:15:45 - Balancing Research and Common Sense</li><li>00:21:22 - Creative Ideas vs. Media Execution</li><li>00:23:16 - Keeping Media Fresh and Engaging</li><li>00:31:10 - Teaser for Next Episode: The Pitch Process</li><li>00:32:32 - Final Thoughts and Sign-Off</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/in-house-teams-pros-cons-and-realities]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">2ae6be00-0889-41e7-96ed-8b9de8c12f52</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 30 Jul 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ebbd93f4-4cf8-494e-8d6b-5492e957d95e/CPO-Ep-12-Final.mp3" length="80074806" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>33:22</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>12</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>12</podcast:episode></item><item><title>The 3-Second Challenge: Winning Hearts and Minds in Advertising</title><itunes:title>The 3-Second Challenge: Winning Hearts and Minds in Advertising</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Todd and Kelly dive into the intricate steps involved in capturing consumer attention with strategic media planning and buying. </p><p>They explore the nuanced differences between being a partner versus a service provider. They emphasize the importance of critical thinking and strategic planning to capture consumer attention. </p><p>They discuss how one of the primary goals of media is to secure a few seconds of the right consumer’s attention in a crowded digital landscape. </p><p>They also address how effective media strategies require a deep understanding of consumer behavior, creative messaging, and continuous adaptation. </p><p>This episode provides valuable insights into tactics and strategies to optimize media investments for maximum return.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Introduction: Partner vs. Service Provider</li><li>00:01:47 - Capturing Consumer Attention in Media</li><li>00:03:08 - Overcoming Challenges in Media Planning and Buying</li><li>00:06:34 - Why Critical Thinking is Essential in Media Planning and Buying</li><li>00:09:02 - Integrating Brand Strategy with Media Strategy</li><li>00:13:45 The Value of Critical Thinking in Media Buying</li><li>00:16:30 Evaluating the Effectiveness of Media Campaigns</li><li>00:18:15 Addressing the Disconnect Between Brands and Media Agencies</li><li>00:19:58 - Budgeting and Media Fees: What You Need to Know</li><li>00:22:20 - Measuring Media Effectiveness for Optimal Results</li><li>00:30:47 - Wrap-Up and Key Takeaways</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Todd and Kelly dive into the intricate steps involved in capturing consumer attention with strategic media planning and buying. </p><p>They explore the nuanced differences between being a partner versus a service provider. They emphasize the importance of critical thinking and strategic planning to capture consumer attention. </p><p>They discuss how one of the primary goals of media is to secure a few seconds of the right consumer’s attention in a crowded digital landscape. </p><p>They also address how effective media strategies require a deep understanding of consumer behavior, creative messaging, and continuous adaptation. </p><p>This episode provides valuable insights into tactics and strategies to optimize media investments for maximum return.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Introduction: Partner vs. Service Provider</li><li>00:01:47 - Capturing Consumer Attention in Media</li><li>00:03:08 - Overcoming Challenges in Media Planning and Buying</li><li>00:06:34 - Why Critical Thinking is Essential in Media Planning and Buying</li><li>00:09:02 - Integrating Brand Strategy with Media Strategy</li><li>00:13:45 The Value of Critical Thinking in Media Buying</li><li>00:16:30 Evaluating the Effectiveness of Media Campaigns</li><li>00:18:15 Addressing the Disconnect Between Brands and Media Agencies</li><li>00:19:58 - Budgeting and Media Fees: What You Need to Know</li><li>00:22:20 - Measuring Media Effectiveness for Optimal Results</li><li>00:30:47 - Wrap-Up and Key Takeaways</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/the-power-of-3-5-seconds-capturing-attention-in-a-fragmented-world]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">79207b99-1121-4fe8-a435-d456a4938f83</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/eb91619e-8b07-4825-9e69-70d85ec72a58/CPO-Ep-11-Final.mp3" length="82474937" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>34:22</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>11</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>11</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Achieving Big Results on Tight Budgets</title><itunes:title>Achieving Big Results on Tight Budgets</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Todd and Kelly discuss the complex world of achieving marketing results with limited budgets. They discuss the challenges and solutions for brands with big ambitions but constrained budgets.</p><p>Todd and Kelly provide guidance on how to maximize impact without breaking the bank. They explain the importance of setting realistic expectations, leveraging unique opportunities, and maintaining strong agency partnerships. </p><p>Tune in to hear their tips on how to avoid common pitfalls and make the most of data and analytics combined with smart marketing strategies, to achieve results even with tight budgets.</p><p>Chapters</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - The True Value of Ads: What Are They Really Worth?</li><li>00:01:15 - Big Dreams, Small Funds: The Budget Dilemma</li><li>00:02:46 - Challenges and Strategies for Challenger Brands</li><li>00:07:03 - Balancing Risk and Reward in Marketing: A Delicate Dance</li><li>00:11:45 - Marketing on a Shoestring Budget: Realistic Expectations and Strategies</li><li>00:16:29 - Avoiding Common Pitfalls: Insider Tips</li><li>00:20:22 - Maximizing Data and Analytics on a Limited Budget</li><li>00:24:08 - How to Choose the Right Agency Partner</li><li>00:27:12 - Leveraging Unique Opportunities: How to Make the Most of What You Have</li><li>00:31:35 - Success Stories and Final Thoughts: Real-World Examples</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> Spotify</a>,<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> Apple Podcasts</a> and<a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Todd and Kelly discuss the complex world of achieving marketing results with limited budgets. They discuss the challenges and solutions for brands with big ambitions but constrained budgets.</p><p>Todd and Kelly provide guidance on how to maximize impact without breaking the bank. They explain the importance of setting realistic expectations, leveraging unique opportunities, and maintaining strong agency partnerships. </p><p>Tune in to hear their tips on how to avoid common pitfalls and make the most of data and analytics combined with smart marketing strategies, to achieve results even with tight budgets.</p><p>Chapters</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - The True Value of Ads: What Are They Really Worth?</li><li>00:01:15 - Big Dreams, Small Funds: The Budget Dilemma</li><li>00:02:46 - Challenges and Strategies for Challenger Brands</li><li>00:07:03 - Balancing Risk and Reward in Marketing: A Delicate Dance</li><li>00:11:45 - Marketing on a Shoestring Budget: Realistic Expectations and Strategies</li><li>00:16:29 - Avoiding Common Pitfalls: Insider Tips</li><li>00:20:22 - Maximizing Data and Analytics on a Limited Budget</li><li>00:24:08 - How to Choose the Right Agency Partner</li><li>00:27:12 - Leveraging Unique Opportunities: How to Make the Most of What You Have</li><li>00:31:35 - Success Stories and Final Thoughts: Real-World Examples</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> Spotify</a>,<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> Apple Podcasts</a> and<a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/cpo-ep-9]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">8383997a-cbed-4ebc-b5e0-6e6f8516a0f5</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 16 Jul 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ae07f366-28c0-48e7-82c7-2af32cc06672/CPO-Ep-9-FInal.mp3" length="84633696" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>35:16</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>10</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>10</podcast:episode></item><item><title>The Reality of Brand Building: Strategies for Sustainable Growth</title><itunes:title>The Reality of Brand Building: Strategies for Sustainable Growth</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Kelly and Todd discuss the balance between short-term sales and long-term brand building. They address the challenges many businesses face in prioritizing immediate revenue over establishing a strong, lasting brand presence. </p><p>Kelly and Todd talk about the pitfalls of relying solely on quick sales tactics and the importance of developing a solid brand foundation. Their conversation also explores the evolving landscape of digital marketing, the impact of social media, and the need for strategic planning in an increasingly competitive market. </p><p>Tune in to understand how to strike the right balance and build a brand that stands the test of time!</p><p>Chapters</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Introduction: Brand Awareness vs. Sales</li><li>00:01:06 - Meet the Minds: Kelly and Todd</li><li>00:01:16 - Debate: Short-Term Sales vs. Long-Term Branding</li><li>00:02:08 - Social Media's Influence on Brands</li><li>00:03:29 - The Apple Orchard Marketing Analogy</li><li>00:04:49 - Decoding Consumer Behavior</li><li>00:06:07 - Crafting a Sustainable Marketing Plan</li><li>00:07:04 - Trust and Brand Equity: A Deep Dive</li><li>00:13:11 - Precision Marketing: Segmentation and Targeting</li><li>00:15:19 - Sales Strategies: Top-Down vs. Bottom-Up</li><li>00:16:44 - Brand Campaigns: Metrics that Matter</li><li>00:19:24 - Media's Role and Its Limitations in Sales</li><li>00:22:36 - Wrap-Up: Key Takeaways and Insights</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Kelly and Todd discuss the balance between short-term sales and long-term brand building. They address the challenges many businesses face in prioritizing immediate revenue over establishing a strong, lasting brand presence. </p><p>Kelly and Todd talk about the pitfalls of relying solely on quick sales tactics and the importance of developing a solid brand foundation. Their conversation also explores the evolving landscape of digital marketing, the impact of social media, and the need for strategic planning in an increasingly competitive market. </p><p>Tune in to understand how to strike the right balance and build a brand that stands the test of time!</p><p>Chapters</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Introduction: Brand Awareness vs. Sales</li><li>00:01:06 - Meet the Minds: Kelly and Todd</li><li>00:01:16 - Debate: Short-Term Sales vs. Long-Term Branding</li><li>00:02:08 - Social Media's Influence on Brands</li><li>00:03:29 - The Apple Orchard Marketing Analogy</li><li>00:04:49 - Decoding Consumer Behavior</li><li>00:06:07 - Crafting a Sustainable Marketing Plan</li><li>00:07:04 - Trust and Brand Equity: A Deep Dive</li><li>00:13:11 - Precision Marketing: Segmentation and Targeting</li><li>00:15:19 - Sales Strategies: Top-Down vs. Bottom-Up</li><li>00:16:44 - Brand Campaigns: Metrics that Matter</li><li>00:19:24 - Media's Role and Its Limitations in Sales</li><li>00:22:36 - Wrap-Up: Key Takeaways and Insights</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/why-your-brand-isnt-nike-the-harsh-reality-of-brand-building]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">e2a00d5f-403e-4ec3-a681-7af0f96dfcff</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 09 Jul 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/1dfc2f71-d7bf-405f-8254-1fc6939c6438/CPO-Ep-8-Final-0709-v2.mp3" length="56107981" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>23:23</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>9</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>9</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Truth in Advertising: Auditing Your Agency’s Work</title><itunes:title>Truth in Advertising: Auditing Your Agency’s Work</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Kelly Maguire and Todd Juneau, co-founders of Vuja Dé Digital, dive into the complex world of agency-client dynamics. In this episode, they put particular focus on what really happens behind the scenes with marketing campaigns. </p><p>They discuss the often glossed-over reality of campaign performance auditing, the pitfalls of agency complacency, and the essential questions CMOs need to ask to figure out whether their agency genuinely delivers value or merely excels in self-promotion. </p><p>With an insightful look into forensic auditing and the nuanced challenges of ensuring agency accountability, this discussion is a must-listen for anyone vested in securing genuine results and navigating the intricacies of agency-client partnerships effectively.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Meet Your Hosts: The Catalysts Behind Today's Debate</li><li>00:01:10 - Evaluating Agency Effectiveness and The Role of Audits</li><li>00:02:25 - Deep Dive: Audit Discoveries and Marketing Truths</li><li>00:03:46 - The Customer’s Journey: Humanizing Marketing Data</li><li>00:05:42 - Media vs. Reality: When Reports Don't Reflect Results</li><li>00:07:16 - Essential Queries Every CMO Should Pose</li><li>00:09:42 - Decoding Metrics: Unraveling the Mysteries Behind Agency Figures</li><li>00:12:14 - Reality Check: Aligning Agency Promises with Client Expectations</li><li>00:14:30 - Agency Integrity: Strategies for Assessing True Value</li><li>00:17:07 - Navigating the Agency Selection Process: What to Look For</li><li>00:20:15 - Agency Insights: Ensuring Alignment with Brand Goals</li><li>00:23:12 - Wrapping Up: Key Takeaways</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelly Maguire and Todd Juneau, co-founders of Vuja Dé Digital, dive into the complex world of agency-client dynamics. In this episode, they put particular focus on what really happens behind the scenes with marketing campaigns. </p><p>They discuss the often glossed-over reality of campaign performance auditing, the pitfalls of agency complacency, and the essential questions CMOs need to ask to figure out whether their agency genuinely delivers value or merely excels in self-promotion. </p><p>With an insightful look into forensic auditing and the nuanced challenges of ensuring agency accountability, this discussion is a must-listen for anyone vested in securing genuine results and navigating the intricacies of agency-client partnerships effectively.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Meet Your Hosts: The Catalysts Behind Today's Debate</li><li>00:01:10 - Evaluating Agency Effectiveness and The Role of Audits</li><li>00:02:25 - Deep Dive: Audit Discoveries and Marketing Truths</li><li>00:03:46 - The Customer’s Journey: Humanizing Marketing Data</li><li>00:05:42 - Media vs. Reality: When Reports Don't Reflect Results</li><li>00:07:16 - Essential Queries Every CMO Should Pose</li><li>00:09:42 - Decoding Metrics: Unraveling the Mysteries Behind Agency Figures</li><li>00:12:14 - Reality Check: Aligning Agency Promises with Client Expectations</li><li>00:14:30 - Agency Integrity: Strategies for Assessing True Value</li><li>00:17:07 - Navigating the Agency Selection Process: What to Look For</li><li>00:20:15 - Agency Insights: Ensuring Alignment with Brand Goals</li><li>00:23:12 - Wrapping Up: Key Takeaways</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/truth-in-advertising-how-to-tell-if-your-agency-delivers]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">1cc3835f-ce02-4dd6-b0af-58dd9148100c</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/a1057663-e403-48ec-bbb3-7c532384b340/Ep-8-Todd-and-Kelly-Final.mp3" length="49566711" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>25:49</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>8</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>8</podcast:episode></item><item><title>First Party Data: The New Goldmine</title><itunes:title>First Party Data: The New Goldmine</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Kelly and Todd explore the significant shift in digital advertising as third-party cookie tracking faces extinction. </p><p>They discuss how this change impacts data privacy and the strategies brands need to adopt to stay ahead. The conversation goes into the misconceptions about the end of cookies and how more sophisticated tracking methods are emerging. </p><p>They also talk about the rise of AI and first-party data sharing as critical tools for future advertising efforts. Join Kelly and Todd as they share their opinions on this evolving cookie landscape and what it means for marketers and consumers alike.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Introduction: The Internet's Free, But at What Cost?</li><li>00:01:00 - Meet Your Hosts: Kelly and Todd Dive In</li><li>00:03:00 - The Great Cookie Phase-Out: What It Means</li><li>00:05:00 - Privacy Illusion: The Cookie’s Impact</li><li>00:08:00 - Your Digital Footprint: Beyond Cookies</li><li>00:10:00 - Ad Blockers: Are They Effective?</li><li>00:11:00 - Lazy Clicks: Why We Accept Cookies Anyway</li><li>00:13:00 - First-Party Data: The New Goldmine</li><li>00:15:00 - The Shift in Media Buying: What’s Next?</li><li>00:19:00 - Creative Targeting: Making Every Dollar Count</li><li>00:21:00 - Memorable Ads: What Stands Out and Why</li><li>00:22:00 - Wrapping Up: Key Takeaways for Marketers</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelly and Todd explore the significant shift in digital advertising as third-party cookie tracking faces extinction. </p><p>They discuss how this change impacts data privacy and the strategies brands need to adopt to stay ahead. The conversation goes into the misconceptions about the end of cookies and how more sophisticated tracking methods are emerging. </p><p>They also talk about the rise of AI and first-party data sharing as critical tools for future advertising efforts. Join Kelly and Todd as they share their opinions on this evolving cookie landscape and what it means for marketers and consumers alike.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Introduction: The Internet's Free, But at What Cost?</li><li>00:01:00 - Meet Your Hosts: Kelly and Todd Dive In</li><li>00:03:00 - The Great Cookie Phase-Out: What It Means</li><li>00:05:00 - Privacy Illusion: The Cookie’s Impact</li><li>00:08:00 - Your Digital Footprint: Beyond Cookies</li><li>00:10:00 - Ad Blockers: Are They Effective?</li><li>00:11:00 - Lazy Clicks: Why We Accept Cookies Anyway</li><li>00:13:00 - First-Party Data: The New Goldmine</li><li>00:15:00 - The Shift in Media Buying: What’s Next?</li><li>00:19:00 - Creative Targeting: Making Every Dollar Count</li><li>00:21:00 - Memorable Ads: What Stands Out and Why</li><li>00:22:00 - Wrapping Up: Key Takeaways for Marketers</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/why-the-end-of-cookies-wont-save-your-privacy]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">07cb64e0-712e-4baa-a332-e568b6714114</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/1bc6b6f2-5692-4c1d-915d-96265680b72b/CPO-Ep-7-Cookies-Final.mp3" length="55476863" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>23:07</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>7</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>7</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Our Path to: Inc. Best Workplaces for 2024</title><itunes:title>Our Path to: Inc. Best Workplaces for 2024</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Kelly Maguire and Todd Juneau share their journey co-founding Vuja Dé Digital, and celebrate their recent recognition on the Inc. Best Workplaces list for 2024. </p><p>Kelly and Todd talk about the importance of trust within a company, how it shapes relationships among employees, and impacts overall management practices. </p><p>They reflect on their 15-year partnership, the evolution of their business philosophies, and the changes in workplace culture influenced by generational differences and external factors like COVID-19. </p><p>Kelly and Todd discuss the traditional corporate values often displayed as mere words on a wall and how genuine trust and respect for employee autonomy have become central to their company's ethos. </p><p>They also tackle the concept of work-life balance, discussing the shift from rigid office hours to more flexible, outcome-focused work arrangements. </p><p>Tune in to hear ways to create a supportive work environment that genuinely values employee well-being and nurtures a culture of mutual trust.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Meet the Visionaries: Kelly Maguire and Todd Juneau of Vuja Dé Digital</li><li>00:01:36 - A Toast to Excellence: Inc. 500 Achievement</li><li>00:02:40 - Crafting Core Values: The Heartbeat of Our Culture</li><li>00:04:27 - Trust: The Keystone of Our Enterprise</li><li>00:06:00 - Shattering Old Norms: Embracing New Work Cultures</li><li>00:09:00 - Trust Redefined: From Boardrooms to Zoom Rooms</li><li>00:11:00 - Outcomes Over Hours: A New Approach to Productivity</li><li>00:13:00 - Challenging the 9-to-5: New Norms of Productivity</li><li>00:16:00 - Beyond Office Walls: Embracing Work Anywhere</li><li>00:18:00 - Striving for Sanity in the Startup Hustle</li><li>00:20:34 - Celebrating Our Stars: Employee Recognition Deep Dive</li><li>00:21:16 - Fostering Autonomy and Trust in Our Team</li><li>00:23:43 - Redefining Flexibility with Unlimited PTO</li><li>00:25:08 - Commitment to Excellence: Delivering Stellar Work</li><li>00:27:48 - Beyond the Numbers: Valuing the Human Connection</li><li>00:33:43 - Envisioning the Future of Workplace Culture</li><li>00:38:25 - Reflections and Thanks: The Journey Ahead</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelly Maguire and Todd Juneau share their journey co-founding Vuja Dé Digital, and celebrate their recent recognition on the Inc. Best Workplaces list for 2024. </p><p>Kelly and Todd talk about the importance of trust within a company, how it shapes relationships among employees, and impacts overall management practices. </p><p>They reflect on their 15-year partnership, the evolution of their business philosophies, and the changes in workplace culture influenced by generational differences and external factors like COVID-19. </p><p>Kelly and Todd discuss the traditional corporate values often displayed as mere words on a wall and how genuine trust and respect for employee autonomy have become central to their company's ethos. </p><p>They also tackle the concept of work-life balance, discussing the shift from rigid office hours to more flexible, outcome-focused work arrangements. </p><p>Tune in to hear ways to create a supportive work environment that genuinely values employee well-being and nurtures a culture of mutual trust.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Meet the Visionaries: Kelly Maguire and Todd Juneau of Vuja Dé Digital</li><li>00:01:36 - A Toast to Excellence: Inc. 500 Achievement</li><li>00:02:40 - Crafting Core Values: The Heartbeat of Our Culture</li><li>00:04:27 - Trust: The Keystone of Our Enterprise</li><li>00:06:00 - Shattering Old Norms: Embracing New Work Cultures</li><li>00:09:00 - Trust Redefined: From Boardrooms to Zoom Rooms</li><li>00:11:00 - Outcomes Over Hours: A New Approach to Productivity</li><li>00:13:00 - Challenging the 9-to-5: New Norms of Productivity</li><li>00:16:00 - Beyond Office Walls: Embracing Work Anywhere</li><li>00:18:00 - Striving for Sanity in the Startup Hustle</li><li>00:20:34 - Celebrating Our Stars: Employee Recognition Deep Dive</li><li>00:21:16 - Fostering Autonomy and Trust in Our Team</li><li>00:23:43 - Redefining Flexibility with Unlimited PTO</li><li>00:25:08 - Commitment to Excellence: Delivering Stellar Work</li><li>00:27:48 - Beyond the Numbers: Valuing the Human Connection</li><li>00:33:43 - Envisioning the Future of Workplace Culture</li><li>00:38:25 - Reflections and Thanks: The Journey Ahead</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/our-path-to-the-2024-inc-500-best-workplaces]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">bd44381b-4f25-42c2-94e1-24e60c12d62a</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2024 04:15:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/bfeecef7-0ae7-4773-ab1e-e1a83da629f9/Ep-6-Final.mp3" length="97259198" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>40:31</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>6</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>6</podcast:episode></item><item><title>AI + Marketing: Hype or Reality?</title><itunes:title>AI + Marketing: Hype or Reality?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this week's episode, Todd and Kelly have a debate about the actual impact of AI tools on digital marketing and agency efficiency. </p><p>They challenge the belief that AI can streamline processes and reduce costs, telling us about a more complex reality. </p><p>While AI can improve data analysis and creative options, it often increases workload and demands additional training and expanded expertise. </p><p>Todd and Kelly explore whether AI is a true innovation or an overhyped tool in the digital media landscape. Tune in to find out the nuanced truths behind AI's role in today's marketing world.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Kicking Off: AI's Place in Digital Marketing</li><li>00:01:12 - The Great AI Efficiency Debate: Is it Really Saving Time?</li><li>00:03:42 - Media Planning with AI: Hype vs. Reality</li><li>00:05:24 - Data Overload: How AI is Changing Data Analysis</li><li>00:07:19 - Rethinking Media Strategies with AI Insights</li><li>00:09:00 - AI in Media: Complementary or Essential?</li><li>00:11:45 - Overcoming AI Implementation Challenges</li><li>00:14:20 - Case Study: AI in Action for Media Planning</li><li>00:16:23 - Business Intelligence Revolution: AI Tools in Action</li><li>00:22:35 - Wrap-Up: Our Take on AI's Future in Marketing</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this week's episode, Todd and Kelly have a debate about the actual impact of AI tools on digital marketing and agency efficiency. </p><p>They challenge the belief that AI can streamline processes and reduce costs, telling us about a more complex reality. </p><p>While AI can improve data analysis and creative options, it often increases workload and demands additional training and expanded expertise. </p><p>Todd and Kelly explore whether AI is a true innovation or an overhyped tool in the digital media landscape. Tune in to find out the nuanced truths behind AI's role in today's marketing world.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Kicking Off: AI's Place in Digital Marketing</li><li>00:01:12 - The Great AI Efficiency Debate: Is it Really Saving Time?</li><li>00:03:42 - Media Planning with AI: Hype vs. Reality</li><li>00:05:24 - Data Overload: How AI is Changing Data Analysis</li><li>00:07:19 - Rethinking Media Strategies with AI Insights</li><li>00:09:00 - AI in Media: Complementary or Essential?</li><li>00:11:45 - Overcoming AI Implementation Challenges</li><li>00:14:20 - Case Study: AI in Action for Media Planning</li><li>00:16:23 - Business Intelligence Revolution: AI Tools in Action</li><li>00:22:35 - Wrap-Up: Our Take on AI's Future in Marketing</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/efficiency-or-illusion-the-true-impact-of-ai-on-workload]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">8ccab4f5-9f57-4913-b1ea-77709ea60d0e</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/202723e5-4ab4-467b-879f-eb1601f0e2b7/CPO-Ep-5-Final.mp3" length="62124504" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>25:53</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>5</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>5</podcast:episode></item><item><title>When Creativity Meets Execution with Oobli Head of Direct to Consumer, Traci Warren</title><itunes:title>When Creativity Meets Execution with Oobli Head of Direct to Consumer, Traci Warren</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Traci Warren, Head of Direct to Consumer at Oobli, discusses the company's approach to introducing sweet proteins in consumer food products, aiming to significantly alter consumer diets. </p><p>Traci shares insights from her extensive background in marketing at leading tech, retail and fashion companies and how these experiences have shaped her strategies in a fast-paced startup environment. </p><p>She addresses the importance of trust between client and agency partner. Traci, along with Todd and Kelly of Vuja Dé Digital, share a unique partnership blueprint that has been financially beneficial to the startup phase of the product launch, and their longer term partnership.</p><p>She talks about the challenges and creative tactics essential for driving successful direct-to-consumer marketing in today’s competitive landscape. Tune in to learn about the strategic approach and collaborations that are paving the way for a healthier, more sustainable future in the food industry.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - The Art of Collaboration: Agency and Client Dynamics</li><li>00:01:49 - Traci Warren: A Marketing Maestro’s Journey</li><li>00:02:34 - Oobli Unveiled: Sweetening the Deal with Science</li><li>00:04:29 - Startup Savvy: Crafting Cutting-Edge Marketing</li><li>00:06:33 - Synergy in Session: The Client-Agency Symbiosis</li><li>00:11:31 - Marketing Reimagined: The Influencer Impact</li><li>00:15:31 - The Trust Factor: Cultivating Effective Communication</li><li>00:17:00 - Innovative Tech Meets Savvy Marketing</li><li>00:18:45 - Strategic Sparks: When Creativity Meets Execution</li><li>00:22:15 - The Personal Touch: Relationship Dynamics in Marketing</li><li>00:25:11 - Beyond Business: A Unique Partnership Blueprint</li><li>00:30:31 - Wrapping Up: Insights and Inspirations</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Traci on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/traci-warren-2b1b503/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://oobli.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Oobli</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Traci Warren, Head of Direct to Consumer at Oobli, discusses the company's approach to introducing sweet proteins in consumer food products, aiming to significantly alter consumer diets. </p><p>Traci shares insights from her extensive background in marketing at leading tech, retail and fashion companies and how these experiences have shaped her strategies in a fast-paced startup environment. </p><p>She addresses the importance of trust between client and agency partner. Traci, along with Todd and Kelly of Vuja Dé Digital, share a unique partnership blueprint that has been financially beneficial to the startup phase of the product launch, and their longer term partnership.</p><p>She talks about the challenges and creative tactics essential for driving successful direct-to-consumer marketing in today’s competitive landscape. Tune in to learn about the strategic approach and collaborations that are paving the way for a healthier, more sustainable future in the food industry.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - The Art of Collaboration: Agency and Client Dynamics</li><li>00:01:49 - Traci Warren: A Marketing Maestro’s Journey</li><li>00:02:34 - Oobli Unveiled: Sweetening the Deal with Science</li><li>00:04:29 - Startup Savvy: Crafting Cutting-Edge Marketing</li><li>00:06:33 - Synergy in Session: The Client-Agency Symbiosis</li><li>00:11:31 - Marketing Reimagined: The Influencer Impact</li><li>00:15:31 - The Trust Factor: Cultivating Effective Communication</li><li>00:17:00 - Innovative Tech Meets Savvy Marketing</li><li>00:18:45 - Strategic Sparks: When Creativity Meets Execution</li><li>00:22:15 - The Personal Touch: Relationship Dynamics in Marketing</li><li>00:25:11 - Beyond Business: A Unique Partnership Blueprint</li><li>00:30:31 - Wrapping Up: Insights and Inspirations</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Traci on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/traci-warren-2b1b503/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://oobli.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Oobli</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/how-traci-warren-is-reshaping-the-food-industry-with-science]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">6f259dbd-ecda-4e93-9619-4939678be796</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/44d151fd-77c0-4cc9-9862-9c1bfe74e333/Traci-Warren-Oobli-Final.mp3" length="75883720" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>31:37</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>4</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>4</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Getting Personal(ads): Balancing Data Privacy and User Experience in Advertising</title><itunes:title>Getting Personal(ads): Balancing Data Privacy and User Experience in Advertising</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Todd and Kelly explore the world of digital advertising, discussing the delicate balance between personalization and privacy. They address the complex dynamics of how ads shape our online experiences, arguing that well-crafted personalized ads can greatly enhance our digital lives rather than intrude on them. </p><p>As they dissect the evolving landscape of digital marketing, especially in the face of increasing data privacy regulations and the phasing out of cookies, Kelly and Todd shed light on the essential role of advertising in keeping the internet free and rich with content. </p><p>This episode is a must-listen if you’re intrigued by the future of digital marketing and its impact on both consumers and businesses. Tune in to gain a fresh perspective on why effective advertising matters more than ever.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - The Ethical Basis of Advertising: Solving Real Consumer Needs</li><li>00:01:00 - Meet Kelly Maguire &amp; Todd Juneau: Pioneers at Vuja De Digital</li><li>00:01:43 - Deep Dive into Ad Personalization: Benefits vs. Privacy Concerns</li><li>00:05:17 - Unpacking Data Privacy: Ad Blockers and the Free Internet</li><li>00:15:46 - The Future Outlook: Navigating Advertising in a Post-Cookie World</li><li>00:26:09 - Wrap-Up: The Sustainable Future of Ethical Advertising</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd and Kelly explore the world of digital advertising, discussing the delicate balance between personalization and privacy. They address the complex dynamics of how ads shape our online experiences, arguing that well-crafted personalized ads can greatly enhance our digital lives rather than intrude on them. </p><p>As they dissect the evolving landscape of digital marketing, especially in the face of increasing data privacy regulations and the phasing out of cookies, Kelly and Todd shed light on the essential role of advertising in keeping the internet free and rich with content. </p><p>This episode is a must-listen if you’re intrigued by the future of digital marketing and its impact on both consumers and businesses. Tune in to gain a fresh perspective on why effective advertising matters more than ever.</p><p>Chapters:</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - The Ethical Basis of Advertising: Solving Real Consumer Needs</li><li>00:01:00 - Meet Kelly Maguire &amp; Todd Juneau: Pioneers at Vuja De Digital</li><li>00:01:43 - Deep Dive into Ad Personalization: Benefits vs. Privacy Concerns</li><li>00:05:17 - Unpacking Data Privacy: Ad Blockers and the Free Internet</li><li>00:15:46 - The Future Outlook: Navigating Advertising in a Post-Cookie World</li><li>00:26:09 - Wrap-Up: The Sustainable Future of Ethical Advertising</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/ads-that-matter-making-advertising-beneficial-for-consumers]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">b3d76368-9c8e-47a3-8738-abce680b3f64</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/896885f9-4028-4b54-b509-9eae2eaa65ff/CPO-Ep-3-Final.mp3" length="51373131" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>26:45</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>3</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>3</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Beyond the Pitch: Real Talk on Agency Selection with Liz Allen</title><itunes:title>Beyond the Pitch: Real Talk on Agency Selection with Liz Allen</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Liz Allen, a seasoned marketing expert with a remarkable background in transforming major brands, shares her comprehensive approach to fostering successful client-agency relationships. </p><p>Liz highlights the significance of trust, transparency, and mutual respect, as she discusses the intricacies of selecting the right agency, the importance of shared values, and the art of collaboration that drives meaningful results. </p><p>Drawing from her rich experience and notable tenure as a chief marketing officer for iconic brands, Liz offers invaluable advice on navigating the often complex dynamics between clients and agencies. </p><p>Her philosophy of partnership over transaction not only underscores the potential for achieving exceptional outcomes but also redefines the standard for engaging with marketing agencies. </p><p>Through this enlightening conversation and practical advice, you’ll gain a deeper understanding of how to cultivate relationships that not only meet but exceed marketing objectives, ensuring a competitive edge in the dynamic business landscape.</p><p><strong>TIMESTAMPS</strong></p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Meet Your Guides: The Voices Behind the Mics</li><li>00:01:18 - The Story of Liz Allen: A Journey Through Brand Transformation</li><li>00:02:13 - The Foundation of Success: Trust, Transparency, and Mutual Respect in Partnerships</li><li>00:06:29 - Insights from the Frontlines: Achieving Marketing Success in Healthcare</li><li>00:09:13 - The Strategic Advantage of Flexibility and Experimentation</li><li>00:11:07 - Leveraging Creative and Media Strategies for Brand Growth</li><li>00:14:29 - What Makes a Client-Agency Relationship Thrive?</li><li>00:17:32 - Navigating Budgets and Expectations for Long-Term Success</li><li>00:21:45 - Key Considerations for Aligning with Your Ideal Marketing Partner</li><li>00:25:16 - Reflections on Leadership and Vision in Marketing Success</li><li>00:28:48 - Celebrating the Fruits of a Well-Chosen Partnership</li></ul><br/><p><strong>Links and Resources:</strong></p><ul><li>Liz on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lizallenmarketing/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="https://exerurgentcare.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Exer Urgent Care</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liz Allen, a seasoned marketing expert with a remarkable background in transforming major brands, shares her comprehensive approach to fostering successful client-agency relationships. </p><p>Liz highlights the significance of trust, transparency, and mutual respect, as she discusses the intricacies of selecting the right agency, the importance of shared values, and the art of collaboration that drives meaningful results. </p><p>Drawing from her rich experience and notable tenure as a chief marketing officer for iconic brands, Liz offers invaluable advice on navigating the often complex dynamics between clients and agencies. </p><p>Her philosophy of partnership over transaction not only underscores the potential for achieving exceptional outcomes but also redefines the standard for engaging with marketing agencies. </p><p>Through this enlightening conversation and practical advice, you’ll gain a deeper understanding of how to cultivate relationships that not only meet but exceed marketing objectives, ensuring a competitive edge in the dynamic business landscape.</p><p><strong>TIMESTAMPS</strong></p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Meet Your Guides: The Voices Behind the Mics</li><li>00:01:18 - The Story of Liz Allen: A Journey Through Brand Transformation</li><li>00:02:13 - The Foundation of Success: Trust, Transparency, and Mutual Respect in Partnerships</li><li>00:06:29 - Insights from the Frontlines: Achieving Marketing Success in Healthcare</li><li>00:09:13 - The Strategic Advantage of Flexibility and Experimentation</li><li>00:11:07 - Leveraging Creative and Media Strategies for Brand Growth</li><li>00:14:29 - What Makes a Client-Agency Relationship Thrive?</li><li>00:17:32 - Navigating Budgets and Expectations for Long-Term Success</li><li>00:21:45 - Key Considerations for Aligning with Your Ideal Marketing Partner</li><li>00:25:16 - Reflections on Leadership and Vision in Marketing Success</li><li>00:28:48 - Celebrating the Fruits of a Well-Chosen Partnership</li></ul><br/><p><strong>Links and Resources:</strong></p><ul><li>Liz on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lizallenmarketing/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="https://exerurgentcare.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Exer Urgent Care</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to <em>Contrary to Popular Opinion</em>? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/liz-allen]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">f44986bb-c05d-4383-890b-11eb8cab1687</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/cd380618-b95a-472c-9e0e-8a4fb47de56f/Liz-Allen-FInal.mp3" length="61301333" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>31:56</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>2</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>2</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Challenging the Status Quo: Vuja Dé Digital&apos;s Vision</title><itunes:title>Challenging the Status Quo: Vuja Dé Digital&apos;s Vision</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this inaugural episode of "Contrary to Popular Opinion," co-founders Todd Juneau and Kelly Maguire of Vuja Dé Digital embark on a mission to challenge conventional digital marketing wisdom.</p><p>Through a rich discussion, they dissect the evolution of programmatic technology, its impact on media buying, and the pivotal role of AI in shaping the industry's future.</p><p>They boldly critique the traditional agency model, advocating for a client-first approach that prioritizes innovative strategies over mere efficiency.</p><p>With Vuja Dé Digital’s philosophy of delivering unexpected outcomes in familiar territories, this episode will open your mind to a new perspective on achieving business success through digital media.</p><p>It's not just a discussion; it's a revelation that beckons listeners to envision the boundless possibilities of digital marketing done differently.</p><p>TIMESTAMPS</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Kickoff: Welcome to "Contrary to Popular Opinion"</li><li>00:01:00 - Introducing the Visionaries: Todd Juneau &amp; Kelly Maguire of Vuja Dé Digital</li><li>00:03:00 - Revolutionizing the Game: The Impact of Programmatic Technology</li><li>00:06:32 - Crafting a Unique Media Buying House: A Journey Beyond the Conventional</li><li>00:08:00 - Rethinking Agency Dynamics: A Bold Challenge to Tradition</li><li>00:12:15 - Putting Clients First: A Radical Shift Towards Innovative Strategies</li><li>00:16:47 - The Fusion of Performance &amp; Relationships: Key to Modern Marketing Success 00:19:05 - Beyond Efficiency: Embracing Creativity and Innovation in Marketing</li><li>00:22:30 - AI's Role in Shaping Tomorrow: Opportunities and Ethical Considerations</li><li>00:25:10 - Vuja Dé Digital’s Philosophy in Action: Case Studies and Success Stories</li><li>00:27:50 - Wrapping Up: A Glimpse into the Future of Digital Marketing Innovations</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a></li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Contrary to Popular Opinion? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this inaugural episode of "Contrary to Popular Opinion," co-founders Todd Juneau and Kelly Maguire of Vuja Dé Digital embark on a mission to challenge conventional digital marketing wisdom.</p><p>Through a rich discussion, they dissect the evolution of programmatic technology, its impact on media buying, and the pivotal role of AI in shaping the industry's future.</p><p>They boldly critique the traditional agency model, advocating for a client-first approach that prioritizes innovative strategies over mere efficiency.</p><p>With Vuja Dé Digital’s philosophy of delivering unexpected outcomes in familiar territories, this episode will open your mind to a new perspective on achieving business success through digital media.</p><p>It's not just a discussion; it's a revelation that beckons listeners to envision the boundless possibilities of digital marketing done differently.</p><p>TIMESTAMPS</p><ul><li>00:00:00 - Kickoff: Welcome to "Contrary to Popular Opinion"</li><li>00:01:00 - Introducing the Visionaries: Todd Juneau &amp; Kelly Maguire of Vuja Dé Digital</li><li>00:03:00 - Revolutionizing the Game: The Impact of Programmatic Technology</li><li>00:06:32 - Crafting a Unique Media Buying House: A Journey Beyond the Conventional</li><li>00:08:00 - Rethinking Agency Dynamics: A Bold Challenge to Tradition</li><li>00:12:15 - Putting Clients First: A Radical Shift Towards Innovative Strategies</li><li>00:16:47 - The Fusion of Performance &amp; Relationships: Key to Modern Marketing Success 00:19:05 - Beyond Efficiency: Embracing Creativity and Innovation in Marketing</li><li>00:22:30 - AI's Role in Shaping Tomorrow: Opportunities and Ethical Considerations</li><li>00:25:10 - Vuja Dé Digital’s Philosophy in Action: Case Studies and Success Stories</li><li>00:27:50 - Wrapping Up: A Glimpse into the Future of Digital Marketing Innovations</li></ul><br/><p>Links and Resources:</p><ul><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja De Digital</a></li></ul><br/><p>Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Contrary to Popular Opinion? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7zfdNmA8zehTU9RCjeYSzI" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a>, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/contrary-to-popular-opinion/id1743279046" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzxu33-b3R9QV3M1HJJvITQ" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a> to leave us a review!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/intro-episode]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">a017415b-ae99-4dbb-a655-d4f2f408e147</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/f0eb788d-6235-44ca-bf03-490ab001c648/CPO-Intro-Episode-Final.mp3" length="58781875" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>30:37</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>1</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>1</podcast:episode></item><item><title>Welcome to Contrary to Popular Opinion</title><itunes:title>Welcome to Contrary to Popular Opinion</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to Contrary to Popular Opinion, where every episode is a deep dive into leadership, business, and marketing. Join co-founders Todd Juneau and Kelly Maguire of Vuja De Digital as they explore provocative topics with fresh insights. </p><p>Listen in as they discuss everything from the importance of strong relationships in marketing to the real value of the internet and the myths of digital ads. </p><p>Todd and Kelly challenge conventional wisdom and set the stage for eye-opening conversations that aim to grow your professional and personal life. Tune in and start seeing things differently with us.</p><p>Get in touch with us!</p><ul><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to Contrary to Popular Opinion, where every episode is a deep dive into leadership, business, and marketing. Join co-founders Todd Juneau and Kelly Maguire of Vuja De Digital as they explore provocative topics with fresh insights. </p><p>Listen in as they discuss everything from the importance of strong relationships in marketing to the real value of the internet and the myths of digital ads. </p><p>Todd and Kelly challenge conventional wisdom and set the stage for eye-opening conversations that aim to grow your professional and personal life. Tune in and start seeing things differently with us.</p><p>Get in touch with us!</p><ul><li>Todd Juneau on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/toddjuneau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Kelly Maguire on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmaguire/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://vujadedigital.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Vuja Dé Digital</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://contrary-to-popular-opinion.captivate.fm/episode/welcome-to-contrary-to-popular-opinion]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">7fb5786e-b52e-437a-8959-5d7878aa1a2d</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/23e3f994-963a-4d7a-9972-4b030d87bb2c/mddeS5vRQRcfkRzit1tFzUc9.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 22 Apr 2024 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/00292ac1-e947-45ae-aa24-78e827762420/CPO-Trailer-v1.mp3" length="5232945" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>02:44</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>trailer</itunes:episodeType></item></channel></rss>