In this episode, we continue our discussion about sex and sexual morality working from first principles. We still have viewer questions to answer from last time, and we are sure to have some more to answer during the show.

ABOUT DIALOG

💬DIALOG comes from two words Dia (διά) means through, across, between. Logos (λόγος) means word, speech, reason, account, discourse.The compound dialogos means a conversation or exchange of words passing through or between parties. Earliest attested uses in Greek refer to the conversational sections of philosophical and dramatic works, as opposed to monologue or narrative.

In a world of sensationalism and hot takes, the project of DIALOG is to seek the Aristotelian mean. What is reasonable, what makes the most sense, what is best? To create a new golden age, we have to decide what we want and where we want to go—or at least decide on the best general direction. This is not weak compromise or safe centrism. The mean we are seeking is the difficult, active balance between excess and deficiency that produces excellence, strength, and enduring order. This is the hard middle path that serious men have always sought when they intend to build rather than merely complain or entertain.

✍️Jack Donovan is a gonzo anthropologist who lives in Arizona. He is the author of The Way of Men, Becoming a Barbarian, A More Complete Beast, and Fire in the Dark. For nearly twenty years he has written and spoken on masculinity, philosophy, and the conditions that allow strong men to thrive. His work moves past trends and moral fashion to the permanent things.

✍️CB Robertson is a blue-collar philosopher who works as an electrician. He is a husband and the father of five children and lives in Eastern Washington. He is the author of The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism, In Defense of Hatred, and Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity. For many years he has produced YouTube commentaries under the name Caffeine and Philosophy.

🔥Both men are Solar Idealists, founding members of The Order of Fire’s First Men, and contributors to PH2T3R: A Journal for Solar Culture. In DIALOG they bring their different experiences and shared commitments to questions that matter. They do not chase controversy or agreement. They seek what actually works for men who mean to create something that lasts.

🔥To learn more about Solar Idealism and The Order of Fire, visit https://orderoffire.com/

Or follow our YouTube channel: /@orderoffire

Jack Donovan’s books

📖The Way of Men https://amzn.to/4aITiG7

📖Becoming a Barbarian https://amzn.to/4bZL0KQ

📖A More Complete Beast https://amzn.to/4bBLKpD

📖Fire in the Dark https://amzn.to/3VhdV7H

CB Robertson’s Books

📖The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism https://amzn.to/4cCZL9O

📖Letter to Anwei: An Explanation of Human Identity and Transgenerational Ethics https://amzn.to/4tCAzpM

📖Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity https://amzn.to/4dbNxoA

📖In Defense of Hatred https://amzn.to/4ukloBP

CONNECT

Jack Donovan

⚡SUBSTACK: https://mrjackdonovan.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM: @starttheworld

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE: https://jack-donovan.com/

CB Robertson

⚡SUBSTACK: https://cbrobertson.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM @caffeineandphilosophy

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE:https://caffeineandphilosophy.com/

The title for this show was inspired by a comment on Substack, where a pagan user said he got invited to a Christian chat and the discussion immediately devolved into confessions about struggles with pornography. A viewer of our show on Mishima asked us to elaborate on the place of homosexuality in a good society and how it would be handled differently.

It’s pretty obvious that the sexual revolution worked out about as well as the Russian revolution.

Where do we go from here?

ABOUT DIALOG

💬DIALOG comes from two words Dia (διά) means through, across, between. Logos (λόγος) means word, speech, reason, account, discourse.The compound dialogos means a conversation or exchange of words passing through or between parties. Earliest attested uses in Greek refer to the conversational sections of philosophical and dramatic works, as opposed to monologue or narrative.

In a world of sensationalism and hot takes, the project of DIALOG is to seek the Aristotelian mean. What is reasonable, what makes the most sense, what is best? To create a new golden age, we have to decide what we want and where we want to go—or at least decide on the best general direction. This is not weak compromise or safe centrism. The mean we are seeking is the difficult, active balance between excess and deficiency that produces excellence, strength, and enduring order. This is the hard middle path that serious men have always sought when they intend to build rather than merely complain or entertain.

✍️Jack Donovan is a gonzo anthropologist who lives in Arizona. He is the author of The Way of Men, Becoming a Barbarian, A More Complete Beast, and Fire in the Dark. For nearly twenty years he has written and spoken on masculinity, philosophy, and the conditions that allow strong men to thrive. His work moves past trends and moral fashion to the permanent things.

✍️CB Robertson is a blue-collar philosopher who works as an electrician. He is a husband and the father of five children and lives in Eastern Washington. He is the author of The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism, In Defense of Hatred, and Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity. For many years he has produced YouTube commentaries under the name Caffeine and Philosophy.

🔥Both men are Solar Idealists, founding members of The Order of Fire’s First Men, and contributors to PH2T3R: A Journal for Solar Culture. In DIALOG they bring their different experiences and shared commitments to questions that matter. They do not chase controversy or agreement. They seek what actually works for men who mean to create something that lasts.

🔥To learn more about Solar Idealism and The Order of Fire, visit https://orderoffire.com/

Or follow our YouTube channel: /@orderoffire

Jack Donovan’s books

📖The Way of Men https://amzn.to/4aITiG7

📖Becoming a Barbarian https://amzn.to/4bZL0KQ

📖A More Complete Beast https://amzn.to/4bBLKpD

📖Fire in the Dark https://amzn.to/3VhdV7H

CB Robertson’s Books

📖The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism https://amzn.to/4cCZL9O

📖Letter to Anwei: An Explanation of Human Identity and Transgenerational Ethics https://amzn.to/4tCAzpM

📖Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity https://amzn.to/4dbNxoA

📖In Defense of Hatred https://amzn.to/4ukloBP

CONNECT

Jack Donovan

⚡SUBSTACK: https://mrjackdonovan.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM: @starttheworld

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE: https://jack-donovan.com/

CB Robertson

⚡SUBSTACK: https://cbrobertson.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM @caffeineandphilosophy

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE:https://caffeineandphilosophy.com/

ABOUT DIALOG

💬DIALOG comes from two words Dia (διά) means through, across, between. Logos (λόγος) means word, speech, reason, account, discourse.The compound dialogos means a conversation or exchange of words passing through or between parties. Earliest attested uses in Greek refer to the conversational sections of philosophical and dramatic works, as opposed to monologue or narrative.

In a world of sensationalism and hot takes, the project of DIALOG is to seek the Aristotelian mean. What is reasonable, what makes the most sense, what is best? To create a new golden age, we have to decide what we want and where we want to go—or at least decide on the best general direction. This is not weak compromise or safe centrism. The mean we are seeking is the difficult, active balance between excess and deficiency that produces excellence, strength, and enduring order. This is the hard middle path that serious men have always sought when they intend to build rather than merely complain or entertain.

✍️Jack Donovan is a gonzo anthropologist who lives in Arizona. He is the author of The Way of Men, Becoming a Barbarian, A More Complete Beast, and Fire in the Dark. For nearly twenty years he has written and spoken on masculinity, philosophy, and the conditions that allow strong men to thrive. His work moves past trends and moral fashion to the permanent things.

✍️CB Robertson is a blue-collar philosopher who works as an electrician. He is a husband and the father of five children and lives in Eastern Washington. He is the author of The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism, In Defense of Hatred, and Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity. For many years he has produced YouTube commentaries under the name Caffeine and Philosophy.

🔥Both men are Solar Idealists, founding members of The Order of Fire’s First Men, and contributors to PH2T3R: A Journal for Solar Culture. In DIALOG they bring their different experiences and shared commitments to questions that matter. They do not chase controversy or agreement. They seek what actually works for men who mean to create something that lasts.

🔥To learn more about Solar Idealism and The Order of Fire, visit https://orderoffire.com/

Or follow our YouTube channel: /@orderoffire

Jack Donovan’s books

📖The Way of Men https://amzn.to/4aITiG7

📖Becoming a Barbarian https://amzn.to/4bZL0KQ

📖A More Complete Beast https://amzn.to/4bBLKpD

📖Fire in the Dark https://amzn.to/3VhdV7H

CB Robertson’s Books

📖The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism https://amzn.to/4cCZL9O

📖Letter to Anwei: An Explanation of Human Identity and Transgenerational Ethics https://amzn.to/4tCAzpM

📖Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity https://amzn.to/4dbNxoA

📖In Defense of Hatred https://amzn.to/4ukloBP

CONNECT

Jack Donovan

⚡SUBSTACK: https://mrjackdonovan.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM: @starttheworld

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE: https://jack-donovan.com/

CB Robertson

⚡SUBSTACK: https://cbrobertson.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM @caffeineandphilosophy

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE:https://caffeineandphilosophy.com/

In a world of sensationalism and hot takes, the project of DIALOG is to seek the Aristotelian mean. What is reasonable, what makes the most sense, what is best? To create a new golden age, we have to decide what we want and where we want to go—or at least decide on the best general direction. This is not weak compromise or safe centrism. The mean we are seeking is the difficult, active balance between excess and deficiency that produces excellence, strength, and enduring order. This is the hard middle path that serious men have always sought when they intend to build rather than merely complain or entertain.

✍️Jack Donovan is a gonzo anthropologist who lives in Arizona. He is the author of The Way of Men, Becoming a Barbarian, A More Complete Beast, and Fire in the Dark. For nearly twenty years he has written and spoken on masculinity, philosophy, and the conditions that allow strong men to thrive. His work moves past trends and moral fashion to the permanent things.

✍️CB Robertson is a blue-collar philosopher who works as an electrician. He is a husband and the father of five children and lives in Eastern Washington. He is the author of The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism, In Defense of Hatred, and Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity. For many years he has produced YouTube commentaries under the name Caffeine and Philosophy.

🔥Both men are Solar Idealists, founding members of The Order of Fire’s First Men, and contributors to PH2T3R: A Journal for Solar Culture. In DIALOG they bring their different experiences and shared commitments to questions that matter. They do not chase controversy or agreement. They seek what actually works for men who mean to create something that lasts.

🔥To learn more about Solar Idealism and The Order of Fire, visit https://orderoffire.com/

Or follow our YouTube channel: /@orderoffire

Jack Donovan’s books

📖The Way of Men https://amzn.to/4aITiG7

📖Becoming a Barbarian https://amzn.to/4bZL0KQ

📖A More Complete Beast https://amzn.to/4bBLKpD

📖Fire in the Dark https://amzn.to/3VhdV7H

CB Robertson’s Books

📖The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism https://amzn.to/4cCZL9O

📖Letter to Anwei: An Explanation of Human Identity and Transgenerational Ethics https://amzn.to/4tCAzpM

📖Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity https://amzn.to/4dbNxoA

📖In Defense of Hatred https://amzn.to/4ukloBP

CONNECT

Jack Donovan

⚡SUBSTACK: https://mrjackdonovan.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM: @starttheworld

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE: https://jack-donovan.com/

CB Robertson

⚡SUBSTACK: https://cbrobertson.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM @caffeineandphilosophy

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE:https://caffeineandphilosophy.com/

In a world of sensationalism and hot takes, the project of DIALOG is to seek the Aristotelian mean. What is reasonable, what makes the most sense, what is best? To create a new golden age, we have to decide what we want and where we want to go—or at least decide on the best general direction. This is not weak compromise or safe centrism. The mean we are seeking is the difficult, active balance between excess and deficiency that produces excellence, strength, and enduring order. This is the hard middle path that serious men have always sought when they intend to build rather than merely complain or entertain.

✍️Jack Donovan is a gonzo anthropologist who lives in Arizona. He is the author of The Way of Men, Becoming a Barbarian, A More Complete Beast, and Fire in the Dark. For nearly twenty years he has written and spoken on masculinity, philosophy, and the conditions that allow strong men to thrive. His work moves past trends and moral fashion to the permanent things.

✍️CB Robertson is a blue-collar philosopher who works as an electrician. He is a husband and the father of five children and lives in Eastern Washington. He is the author of The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism, In Defense of Hatred, and Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity. For many years he has produced YouTube commentaries under the name Caffeine and Philosophy.

🔥Both men are Solar Idealists, founding members of The Order of Fire’s First Men, and contributors to PH2T3R: A Journal for Solar Culture. In DIALOG they bring their different experiences and shared commitments to questions that matter. They do not chase controversy or agreement. They seek what actually works for men who mean to create something that lasts.

🔥To learn more about Solar Idealism and The Order of Fire, visit https://orderoffire.com/

Or follow our YouTube channel: /@orderoffire

Jack Donovan’s books

📖The Way of Men https://amzn.to/4aITiG7

📖Becoming a Barbarian https://amzn.to/4bZL0KQ

📖A More Complete Beast https://amzn.to/4bBLKpD

📖Fire in the Dark https://amzn.to/3VhdV7H

CB Robertson’s Books

📖The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism https://amzn.to/4cCZL9O

📖Letter to Anwei: An Explanation of Human Identity and Transgenerational Ethics https://amzn.to/4tCAzpM

📖Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity https://amzn.to/4dbNxoA

📖In Defense of Hatred https://amzn.to/4ukloBP

CONNECT

Jack Donovan

⚡SUBSTACK: https://mrjackdonovan.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM: @starttheworld

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE: https://jack-donovan.com/

CB Robertson

⚡SUBSTACK: https://cbrobertson.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM @caffeineandphilosophy

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE:https://caffeineandphilosophy.com/

In a world of sensationalism and hot takes, the project of DIALOG is to seek the Aristotelian mean. What is reasonable, what makes the most sense, what is best? To create a new golden age, we have to decide what we want and where we want to go—or at least decide on the best general direction. This is not weak compromise or safe centrism. The mean we are seeking is the difficult, active balance between excess and deficiency that produces excellence, strength, and enduring order. This is the hard middle path that serious men have always sought when they intend to build rather than merely complain or entertain.

✍️Jack Donovan is a gonzo anthropologist who lives in Arizona. He is the author of The Way of Men, Becoming a Barbarian, A More Complete Beast, and Fire in the Dark. For nearly twenty years he has written and spoken on masculinity, philosophy, and the conditions that allow strong men to thrive. His work moves past trends and moral fashion to the permanent things.

✍️CB Robertson is a blue-collar philosopher who works as an electrician. He is a husband and the father of five children and lives in Eastern Washington. He is the author of The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism, In Defense of Hatred, and Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity. For many years he has produced YouTube commentaries under the name Caffeine and Philosophy.

🔥Both men are Solar Idealists, founding members of The Order of Fire’s First Men, and contributors to PH2T3R: A Journal for Solar Culture. In DIALOG they bring their different experiences and shared commitments to questions that matter. They do not chase controversy or agreement. They seek what actually works for men who mean to create something that lasts.

🔥To learn more about Solar Idealism and The Order of Fire, visit https://orderoffire.com/

Or follow our YouTube channel: /@orderoffire

Jack Donovan’s books

📖The Way of Men https://amzn.to/4aITiG7

📖Becoming a Barbarian https://amzn.to/4bZL0KQ

📖A More Complete Beast https://amzn.to/4bBLKpD

📖Fire in the Dark https://amzn.to/3VhdV7H

CB Robertson’s Books

📖The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism https://amzn.to/4cCZL9O

📖Letter to Anwei: An Explanation of Human Identity and Transgenerational Ethics https://amzn.to/4tCAzpM

📖Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity https://amzn.to/4dbNxoA

📖In Defense of Hatred https://amzn.to/4ukloBP

CONNECT

Jack Donovan

⚡SUBSTACK: https://mrjackdonovan.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM: @starttheworld

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE: https://jack-donovan.com/

CB Robertson

⚡SUBSTACK: https://cbrobertson.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM @caffeineandphilosophy

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE:https://caffeineandphilosophy.com/

In a world of sensationalism and hot takes, the project of DIALOG is to seek the Aristotelian mean. What is reasonable, what makes the most sense, what is best? To create a new golden age, we have to decide what we want and where we want to go—or at least decide on the best general direction. This is not weak compromise or safe centrism. The mean we are seeking is the difficult, active balance between excess and deficiency that produces excellence, strength, and enduring order. This is the hard middle path that serious men have always sought when they intend to build rather than merely complain or entertain.

✍️Jack Donovan is a gonzo anthropologist who lives in Arizona. He is the author of The Way of Men, Becoming a Barbarian, A More Complete Beast, and Fire in the Dark. For nearly twenty years he has written and spoken on masculinity, philosophy, and the conditions that allow strong men to thrive. His work moves past trends and moral fashion to the permanent things.

✍️CB Robertson is a blue-collar philosopher who works as an electrician. He is a husband and the father of five children and lives in Eastern Washington. He is the author of The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism, In Defense of Hatred, and Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity. For many years he has produced YouTube commentaries under the name Caffeine and Philosophy.

🔥Both men are Solar Idealists, founding members of The Order of Fire’s First Men, and contributors to PH2T3R: A Journal for Solar Culture. In DIALOG they bring their different experiences and shared commitments to questions that matter. They do not chase controversy or agreement. They seek what actually works for men who mean to create something that lasts.

🔥To learn more about Solar Idealism and The Order of Fire, visit https://orderoffire.com/

Or follow our YouTube channel: /@orderoffire

Jack Donovan’s books

📖The Way of Men https://amzn.to/4aITiG7

📖Becoming a Barbarian https://amzn.to/4bZL0KQ

📖A More Complete Beast https://amzn.to/4bBLKpD

📖Fire in the Dark https://amzn.to/3VhdV7H

CB Robertson’s Books

📖The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism https://amzn.to/4cCZL9O

📖Letter to Anwei: An Explanation of Human Identity and Transgenerational Ethics https://amzn.to/4tCAzpM

📖Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity https://amzn.to/4dbNxoA

📖In Defense of Hatred https://amzn.to/4ukloBP

CONNECT

Jack Donovan

⚡SUBSTACK: https://mrjackdonovan.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM: @starttheworld

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE: https://jack-donovan.com/

CB Robertson

⚡SUBSTACK: https://cbrobertson.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM @caffeineandphilosophy

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE:https://caffeineandphilosophy.com/

In a world of sensationalism and hot takes, the project of DIALOG is to seek the Aristotelian mean. What is reasonable, what makes the most sense, what is best? To create a new golden age, we have to decide what we want and where we want to go—or at least decide on the best general direction. This is not weak compromise or safe centrism. The mean we are seeking is the difficult, active balance between excess and deficiency that produces excellence, strength, and enduring order. This is the hard middle path that serious men have always sought when they intend to build rather than merely complain or entertain.

✍️Jack Donovan is a gonzo anthropologist who lives in Arizona. He is the author of The Way of Men, Becoming a Barbarian, A More Complete Beast, and Fire in the Dark. For nearly twenty years he has written and spoken on masculinity, philosophy, and the conditions that allow strong men to thrive. His work moves past trends and moral fashion to the permanent things.

✍️CB Robertson is a blue-collar philosopher who works as an electrician. He is a husband and the father of five children and lives in Eastern Washington. He is the author of The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism, In Defense of Hatred, and Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity. For many years he has produced YouTube commentaries under the name Caffeine and Philosophy.

🔥Both men are Solar Idealists, founding members of The Order of Fire’s First Men, and contributors to PH2T3R: A Journal for Solar Culture. In DIALOG they bring their different experiences and shared commitments to questions that matter. They do not chase controversy or agreement. They seek what actually works for men who mean to create something that lasts.

🔥To learn more about Solar Idealism and The Order of Fire, visit https://orderoffire.com/

Or follow our YouTube channel: /@orderoffire

Jack Donovan’s books

📖The Way of Men https://amzn.to/4aITiG7

📖Becoming a Barbarian https://amzn.to/4bZL0KQ

📖A More Complete Beast https://amzn.to/4bBLKpD

📖Fire in the Dark https://amzn.to/3VhdV7H

CB Robertson’s Books

📖The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism https://amzn.to/4cCZL9O

📖Letter to Anwei: An Explanation of Human Identity and Transgenerational Ethics https://amzn.to/4tCAzpM

📖Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity https://amzn.to/4dbNxoA

📖In Defense of Hatred https://amzn.to/4ukloBP

CONNECT

Jack Donovan

⚡SUBSTACK: https://mrjackdonovan.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM: @starttheworld

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE: https://jack-donovan.com/

CB Robertson

⚡SUBSTACK: https://cbrobertson.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM @caffeineandphilosophy

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE:https://caffeineandphilosophy.com/

💬DIALOG comes from two words Dia (διά) means through, across, between. Logos (λόγος) means word, speech, reason, account, discourse.The compound dialogos means a conversation or exchange of words passing through or between parties. Earliest attested uses in Greek refer to the conversational sections of philosophical and dramatic works, as opposed to monologue or narrative.

In a world of sensationalism and hot takes, the project of DIALOG is to seek the Aristotelian mean. What is reasonable, what makes the most sense, what is best? To create a new golden age, we have to decide what we want and where we want to go—or at least decide on the best general direction. This is not weak compromise or safe centrism. The mean we are seeking is the difficult, active balance between excess and deficiency that produces excellence, strength, and enduring order. This is the hard middle path that serious men have always sought when they intend to build rather than merely complain or entertain.

✍️Jack Donovan is a gonzo anthropologist who lives in Arizona. He is the author of The Way of Men, Becoming a Barbarian, A More Complete Beast, and Fire in the Dark. For nearly twenty years he has written and spoken on masculinity, philosophy, and the conditions that allow strong men to thrive. His work moves past trends and moral fashion to the permanent things.

✍️CB Robertson is a blue-collar philosopher who works as an electrician. He is a husband and the father of five children and lives in Eastern Washington. He is the author of The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism, In Defense of Hatred, and Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity. For many years he has produced YouTube commentaries under the name Caffeine and Philosophy.

🔥Both men are Solar Idealists, founding members of The Order of Fire’s First Men, and contributors to PH2T3R: A Journal for Solar Culture. In DIALOG they bring their different experiences and shared commitments to questions that matter. They do not chase controversy or agreement. They seek what actually works for men who mean to create something that lasts.

🔥To learn more about Solar Idealism and The Order of Fire, visit https://orderoffire.com/

Or follow our YouTube channel: /@orderoffire

JACK DONOVAN’S BOOKS

📖The Way of Men https://amzn.to/4aITiG7

📖Becoming a Barbarian https://amzn.to/4bZL0KQ

📖A More Complete Beast https://amzn.to/4bBLKpD

📖Fire in the Dark https://amzn.to/3VhdV7H

Buy CB Robertson’s Books

📖The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism https://amzn.to/4cCZL9O

📖Letter to Anwei: An Explanation of Human Identity and Transgenerational Ethics https://amzn.to/4tCAzpM

📖Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity https://amzn.to/4dbNxoA

📖In Defense of Hatred https://amzn.to/4ukloBP

CONNECT

Jack Donovan

⚡SUBSTACK: https://mrjackdonovan.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM: @starttheworld

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE: https://jack-donovan.com/

CB Robertson

⚡SUBSTACK: https://cbrobertson.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM @caffeineandphilosophy

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE:https://caffeineandphilosophy.com/

💬DIALOG comes from two words Dia (διά) means through, across, between. Logos (λόγος) means word, speech, reason, account, discourse.The compound dialogos means a conversation or exchange of words passing through or between parties. Earliest attested uses in Greek refer to the conversational sections of philosophical and dramatic works, as opposed to monologue or narrative.

In a world of sensationalism and hot takes, the project of DIALOG is to seek the Aristotelian mean. What is reasonable, what makes the most sense, what is best? To create a new golden age, we have to decide what we want and where we want to go—or at least decide on the best general direction. This is not weak compromise or safe centrism. The mean we are seeking is the difficult, active balance between excess and deficiency that produces excellence, strength, and enduring order. This is the hard middle path that serious men have always sought when they intend to build rather than merely complain or entertain.

✍️Jack Donovan is a gonzo anthropologist who lives in Arizona. He is the author of The Way of Men, Becoming a Barbarian, A More Complete Beast, and Fire in the Dark. For nearly twenty years he has written and spoken on masculinity, philosophy, and the conditions that allow strong men to thrive. His work moves past trends and moral fashion to the permanent things.

✍️CB Robertson is a blue-collar philosopher who works as an electrician. He is a husband and the father of five children and lives in Eastern Washington. He is the author of The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism, In Defense of Hatred, and Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity. For many years he has produced YouTube commentaries under the name Caffeine and Philosophy.

🔥Both men are Solar Idealists, founding members of The Order of Fire’s First Men, and contributors to PH2T3R: A Journal for Solar Culture. In DIALOG they bring their different experiences and shared commitments to questions that matter. They do not chase controversy or agreement. They seek what actually works for men who mean to create something that lasts.

🔥To learn more about Solar Idealism and The Order of Fire, visit https://orderoffire.com/

Or follow our YouTube channel: /@orderoffire

JACK DONOVAN’S BOOKS

📖The Way of Men https://amzn.to/4aITiG7

📖Becoming a Barbarian https://amzn.to/4bZL0KQ

📖A More Complete Beast https://amzn.to/4bBLKpD

📖Fire in the Dark https://amzn.to/3VhdV7H

Buy CB Robertson’s Books

📖The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism https://amzn.to/4cCZL9O

📖Letter to Anwei: An Explanation of Human Identity and Transgenerational Ethics https://amzn.to/4tCAzpM

📖Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity https://amzn.to/4dbNxoA

📖In Defense of Hatred https://amzn.to/4ukloBP

CONNECT

Jack Donovan

⚡SUBSTACK: https://mrjackdonovan.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM: @starttheworld

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE: https://jack-donovan.com/

CB Robertson

⚡SUBSTACK: https://cbrobertson.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM @caffeineandphilosophy

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE:https://caffeineandphilosophy.com/

💬DIALOG comes from two words Dia (διά) means through, across, between. Logos (λόγος) means word, speech, reason, account, discourse.The compound dialogos means a conversation or exchange of words passing through or between parties. Earliest attested uses in Greek refer to the conversational sections of philosophical and dramatic works, as opposed to monologue or narrative.

In a world of sensationalism and hot takes, the project of DIALOG is to seek the Aristotelian mean. What is reasonable, what makes the most sense, what is best? To create a new golden age, we have to decide what we want and where we want to go—or at least decide on the best general direction. This is not weak compromise or safe centrism. The mean we are seeking is the difficult, active balance between excess and deficiency that produces excellence, strength, and enduring order. This is the hard middle path that serious men have always sought when they intend to build rather than merely complain or entertain.

✍️Jack Donovan is a gonzo anthropologist who lives in Arizona. He is the author of The Way of Men, Becoming a Barbarian, A More Complete Beast, and Fire in the Dark. For nearly twenty years he has written and spoken on masculinity, philosophy, and the conditions that allow strong men to thrive. His work moves past trends and moral fashion to the permanent things.

✍️CB Robertson is a blue-collar philosopher who works as an electrician. He is a husband and the father of five children and lives in Eastern Washington. He is the author of The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism, In Defense of Hatred, and Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity. For many years he has produced YouTube commentaries under the name Caffeine and Philosophy.

🔥Both men are Solar Idealists, founding members of The Order of Fire’s First Men, and contributors to PH2T3R: A Journal for Solar Culture. In DIALOG they bring their different experiences and shared commitments to questions that matter. They do not chase controversy or agreement. They seek what actually works for men who mean to create something that lasts.

🔥To learn more about Solar Idealism and The Order of Fire, visit https://orderoffire.com/

Or follow our YouTube channel: /@orderoffire

JACK DONOVAN’S BOOKS

📖The Way of Men https://amzn.to/4aITiG7

📖Becoming a Barbarian https://amzn.to/4bZL0KQ

📖A More Complete Beast https://amzn.to/4bBLKpD

📖Fire in the Dark https://amzn.to/3VhdV7H

Buy CB Robertson’s Books

📖The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism https://amzn.to/4cCZL9O

📖Letter to Anwei: An Explanation of Human Identity and Transgenerational Ethics https://amzn.to/4tCAzpM

📖Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity https://amzn.to/4dbNxoA

📖In Defense of Hatred https://amzn.to/4ukloBP

CONNECT

Jack Donovan

⚡SUBSTACK: https://mrjackdonovan.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM: @starttheworld

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE: https://jack-donovan.com/

CB Robertson

⚡SUBSTACK: https://cbrobertson.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM @caffeineandphilosophy

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE:https://caffeineandphilosophy.com/

In a world of sensationalism and hot takes, the project of DIALOG is to seek the Aristotelian mean. What is reasonable, what makes the most sense, what is best? To create a new golden age, we have to decide what we want and where we want to go—or at least decide on the best general direction. This is not weak compromise or safe centrism. The mean we are seeking is the difficult, active balance between excess and deficiency that produces excellence, strength, and enduring order. This is the hard middle path that serious men have always sought when they intend to build rather than merely complain or entertain.

✍️Jack Donovan is a gonzo anthropologist who lives in Arizona. He is the author of The Way of Men, Becoming a Barbarian, A More Complete Beast, and Fire in the Dark. For nearly twenty years he has written and spoken on masculinity, philosophy, and the conditions that allow strong men to thrive. His work moves past trends and moral fashion to the permanent things.

✍️CB Robertson is a blue-collar philosopher who works as an electrician. He is a husband and the father of five children and lives in Eastern Washington. He is the author of The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism, In Defense of Hatred, and Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity. For many years he has produced YouTube commentaries under the name Caffeine and Philosophy.

🔥Both men are Solar Idealists, founding members of The Order of Fire’s First Men, and contributors to PH2T3R: A Journal for Solar Culture. In DIALOG they bring their different experiences and shared commitments to questions that matter. They do not chase controversy or agreement. They seek what actually works for men who mean to create something that lasts.

🔥To learn more about Solar Idealism and The Order of Fire, visit https://orderoffire.com/

Or follow our YouTube channel: /@orderoffire

JACK DONOVAN’S BOOKS

📖The Way of Men https://amzn.to/4aITiG7

📖Becoming a Barbarian https://amzn.to/4bZL0KQ

📖A More Complete Beast https://amzn.to/4bBLKpD

📖Fire in the Dark https://amzn.to/3VhdV7H

Buy CB Robertson’s Books

📖The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism https://amzn.to/4cCZL9O

📖Letter to Anwei: An Explanation of Human Identity and Transgenerational Ethics https://amzn.to/4tCAzpM

📖Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity https://amzn.to/4dbNxoA

📖In Defense of Hatred https://amzn.to/4ukloBP

CONNECT

Jack Donovan

⚡SUBSTACK: https://mrjackdonovan.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM: @starttheworld

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE: https://jack-donovan.com/

CB Robertson

⚡SUBSTACK: https://cbrobertson.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM @caffeineandphilosophy

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE:https://caffeineandphilosophy.com/

💬DIALOG comes from two words Dia (διά) means through, across, between. Logos (λόγος) means word, speech, reason, account, discourse.The compound dialogos means a conversation or exchange of words passing through or between parties. Earliest attested uses in Greek refer to the conversational sections of philosophical and dramatic works, as opposed to monologue or narrative.

In a world of sensationalism and hot takes, the project of DIALOG is to seek the Aristotelian mean. What is reasonable, what makes the most sense, what is best? To create a new golden age, we have to decide what we want and where we want to go—or at least decide on the best general direction. This is not weak compromise or safe centrism. The mean we are seeking is the difficult, active balance between excess and deficiency that produces excellence, strength, and enduring order. This is the hard middle path that serious men have always sought when they intend to build rather than merely complain or entertain.

✍️Jack Donovan is a gonzo anthropologist who lives in Arizona. He is the author of The Way of Men, Becoming a Barbarian, A More Complete Beast, and Fire in the Dark. For nearly twenty years he has written and spoken on masculinity, philosophy, and the conditions that allow strong men to thrive. His work moves past trends and moral fashion to the permanent things.

✍️CB Robertson is a blue-collar philosopher who works as an electrician. He is a husband and the father of five children and lives in Eastern Washington. He is the author of The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism, In Defense of Hatred, and Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity. For many years he has produced YouTube commentaries under the name Caffeine and Philosophy.

🔥Both men are Solar Idealists, founding members of The Order of Fire’s First Men, and contributors to PH2T3R: A Journal for Solar Culture. In DIALOG they bring their different experiences and shared commitments to questions that matter. They do not chase controversy or agreement. They seek what actually works for men who mean to create something that lasts.

🔥To learn more about Solar Idealism and The Order of Fire, visit https://orderoffire.com/

Or follow our YouTube channel: /@orderoffire

JACK DONOVAN’S BOOKS

📖The Way of Men https://amzn.to/4aITiG7

📖Becoming a Barbarian https://amzn.to/4bZL0KQ

📖A More Complete Beast https://amzn.to/4bBLKpD

📖Fire in the Dark https://amzn.to/3VhdV7H

Buy CB Robertson’s Books

📖The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism https://amzn.to/4cCZL9O

📖Letter to Anwei: An Explanation of Human Identity and Transgenerational Ethics https://amzn.to/4tCAzpM

📖Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity https://amzn.to/4dbNxoA

📖In Defense of Hatred https://amzn.to/4ukloBP

CONNECT

Jack Donovan

⚡SUBSTACK: https://mrjackdonovan.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM: @starttheworld

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE: https://jack-donovan.com/

CB Robertson

⚡SUBSTACK: https://cbrobertson.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM @caffeineandphilosophy

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE:https://caffeineandphilosophy.com/

💬DIALOG comes from two words Dia (διά) means through, across, between. Logos (λόγος) means word, speech, reason, account, discourse.The compound dialogos means a conversation or exchange of words passing through or between parties. Earliest attested uses in Greek refer to the conversational sections of philosophical and dramatic works, as opposed to monologue or narrative.

In a world of sensationalism and hot takes, the project of DIALOG is to seek the Aristotelian mean. What is reasonable, what makes the most sense, what is best? To create a new golden age, we have to decide what we want and where we want to go—or at least decide on the best general direction. This is not weak compromise or safe centrism. The mean we are seeking is the difficult, active balance between excess and deficiency that produces excellence, strength, and enduring order. This is the hard middle path that serious men have always sought when they intend to build rather than merely complain or entertain.

✍️Jack Donovan is a gonzo anthropologist who lives in Arizona. He is the author of The Way of Men, Becoming a Barbarian, A More Complete Beast, and Fire in the Dark. For nearly twenty years he has written and spoken on masculinity, philosophy, and the conditions that allow strong men to thrive. His work moves past trends and moral fashion to the permanent things.

✍️CB Robertson is a blue-collar philosopher who works as an electrician. He is a husband and the father of five children and lives in Eastern Washington. He is the author of The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism, In Defense of Hatred, and Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity. For many years he has produced YouTube commentaries under the name Caffeine and Philosophy.

🔥Both men are Solar Idealists, founding members of The Order of Fire’s First Men, and contributors to PH2T3R: A Journal for Solar Culture. In DIALOG they bring their different experiences and shared commitments to questions that matter. They do not chase controversy or agreement. They seek what actually works for men who mean to create something that lasts.

🔥To learn more about Solar Idealism and The Order of Fire, visit https://orderoffire.com/

Or follow our YouTube channel: /@orderoffire

JACK DONOVAN’S BOOKS

📖The Way of Men https://amzn.to/4aITiG7

📖Becoming a Barbarian https://amzn.to/4bZL0KQ

📖A More Complete Beast https://amzn.to/4bBLKpD

📖Fire in the Dark https://amzn.to/3VhdV7H

Buy CB Robertson’s Books

📖The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism https://amzn.to/4cCZL9O

📖Letter to Anwei: An Explanation of Human Identity and Transgenerational Ethics https://amzn.to/4tCAzpM

📖Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity https://amzn.to/4dbNxoA

📖In Defense of Hatred https://amzn.to/4ukloBP

CONNECT

Jack Donovan

⚡SUBSTACK: https://mrjackdonovan.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM: @starttheworld

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE: https://jack-donovan.com/

CB Robertson

⚡SUBSTACK: https://cbrobertson.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM @caffeineandphilosophy

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE:https://caffeineandphilosophy.com/

In a world of sensationalism and hot takes, the project of DIALOG is to seek the Aristotelian mean. What is reasonable, what makes the most sense, what is best? To create a new golden age, we have to decide what we want and where we want to go—or at least decide on the best general direction. This is not weak compromise or safe centrism. The mean we are seeking is the difficult, active balance between excess and deficiency that produces excellence, strength, and enduring order. This is the hard middle path that serious men have always sought when they intend to build rather than merely complain or entertain.

✍️Jack Donovan is a gonzo anthropologist who lives in Arizona. He is the author of The Way of Men, Becoming a Barbarian, A More Complete Beast, and Fire in the Dark. For nearly twenty years he has written and spoken on masculinity, philosophy, and the conditions that allow strong men to thrive. His work moves past trends and moral fashion to the permanent things.

✍️CB Robertson is a blue-collar philosopher who works as an electrician. He is a husband and the father of five children and lives in Eastern Washington. He is the author of The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism, In Defense of Hatred, and Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity. For many years he has produced YouTube commentaries under the name Caffeine and Philosophy.

🔥Both men are Solar Idealists, founding members of The Order of Fire’s First Men, and contributors to PH2T3R: A Journal for Solar Culture. In DIALOG they bring their different experiences and shared commitments to questions that matter. They do not chase controversy or agreement. They seek what actually works for men who mean to create something that lasts.

🔥To learn more about Solar Idealism and The Order of Fire, visit https://orderoffire.com/

Or follow our YouTube channel: /@orderoffire

JACK DONOVAN’S BOOKS

📖The Way of Men https://amzn.to/4aITiG7

📖Becoming a Barbarian https://amzn.to/4bZL0KQ

📖A More Complete Beast https://amzn.to/4bBLKpD

📖Fire in the Dark https://amzn.to/3VhdV7H

Buy CB Robertson’s Books

📖The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism https://amzn.to/4cCZL9O

📖Letter to Anwei: An Explanation of Human Identity and Transgenerational Ethics https://amzn.to/4tCAzpM

📖Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity https://amzn.to/4dbNxoA

📖In Defense of Hatred https://amzn.to/4ukloBP

CONNECT

Jack Donovan

⚡SUBSTACK: https://mrjackdonovan.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM: @starttheworld

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE: https://jack-donovan.com/

CB Robertson

⚡SUBSTACK: https://cbrobertson.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM @caffeineandphilosophy

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE:https://caffeineandphilosophy.com/

In a world of sensationalism and hot takes, the project of DIALOG is to seek the Aristotelian mean. What is reasonable, what makes the most sense, what is best? To create a new golden age, we have to decide what we want and where we want to go—or at least decide on the best general direction. This is not weak compromise or safe centrism. The mean we are seeking is the difficult, active balance between excess and deficiency that produces excellence, strength, and enduring order. This is the hard middle path that serious men have always sought when they intend to build rather than merely complain or entertain.

✍️Jack Donovan is a gonzo anthropologist who lives in Arizona. He is the author of The Way of Men, Becoming a Barbarian, A More Complete Beast, and Fire in the Dark. For nearly twenty years he has written and spoken on masculinity, philosophy, and the conditions that allow strong men to thrive. His work moves past trends and moral fashion to the permanent things.

✍️CB Robertson is a blue-collar philosopher who works as an electrician. He is a husband and the father of five children and lives in Eastern Washington. He is the author of The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism, In Defense of Hatred, and Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity. For many years he has produced YouTube commentaries under the name Caffeine and Philosophy.

🔥Both men are Solar Idealists, founding members of The Order of Fire’s First Men, and contributors to PH2T3R: A Journal for Solar Culture. In DIALOG they bring their different experiences and shared commitments to questions that matter. They do not chase controversy or agreement. They seek what actually works for men who mean to create something that lasts.

🔥To learn more about Solar Idealism and The Order of Fire, visit https://orderoffire.com/

Or follow our YouTube channel: /@orderoffire

JACK DONOVAN’S BOOKS

📖The Way of Men https://amzn.to/4aITiG7

📖Becoming a Barbarian https://amzn.to/4bZL0KQ

📖A More Complete Beast https://amzn.to/4bBLKpD

📖Fire in the Dark https://amzn.to/3VhdV7H

Buy CB Robertson’s Books

📖The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism https://amzn.to/4cCZL9O

📖Letter to Anwei: An Explanation of Human Identity and Transgenerational Ethics https://amzn.to/4tCAzpM

📖Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity https://amzn.to/4dbNxoA

📖In Defense of Hatred https://amzn.to/4ukloBP

CONNECT

Jack Donovan

⚡SUBSTACK: https://mrjackdonovan.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM: @starttheworld

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE: https://jack-donovan.com/

CB Robertson

⚡SUBSTACK: https://cbrobertson.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM @caffeineandphilosophy

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE:https://caffeineandphilosophy.com/

In a world of sensationalism and hot takes, the project of DIALOG is to seek the Aristotelian mean. What is reasonable, what makes the most sense, what is best? To create a new golden age, we have to decide what we want and where we want to go—or at least decide on the best general direction. This is not weak compromise or safe centrism. The mean we are seeking is the difficult, active balance between excess and deficiency that produces excellence, strength, and enduring order. This is the hard middle path that serious men have always sought when they intend to build rather than merely complain or entertain.

✍️Jack Donovan is a gonzo anthropologist who lives in Arizona. He is the author of The Way of Men, Becoming a Barbarian, A More Complete Beast, and Fire in the Dark. For nearly twenty years he has written and spoken on masculinity, philosophy, and the conditions that allow strong men to thrive. His work moves past trends and moral fashion to the permanent things.

✍️CB Robertson is a blue-collar philosopher who works as an electrician. He is a husband and the father of five children and lives in Eastern Washington. He is the author of The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism, In Defense of Hatred, and Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity. For many years he has produced YouTube commentaries under the name Caffeine and Philosophy.

🔥Both men are Solar Idealists, founding members of The Order of Fire’s First Men, and contributors to PH2T3R: A Journal for Solar Culture. In DIALOG they bring their different experiences and shared commitments to questions that matter. They do not chase controversy or agreement. They seek what actually works for men who mean to create something that lasts.

🔥To learn more about Solar Idealism and The Order of Fire, visit https://orderoffire.com/

Or follow our YouTube channel: /@orderoffire

JACK DONOVAN’S BOOKS

📖The Way of Men https://amzn.to/4aITiG7

📖Becoming a Barbarian https://amzn.to/4bZL0KQ

📖A More Complete Beast https://amzn.to/4bBLKpD

📖Fire in the Dark https://amzn.to/3VhdV7H

Buy CB Robertson’s Books

📖The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism https://amzn.to/4cCZL9O

📖Letter to Anwei: An Explanation of Human Identity and Transgenerational Ethics https://amzn.to/4tCAzpM

📖Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity https://amzn.to/4dbNxoA

📖In Defense of Hatred https://amzn.to/4ukloBP

CONNECT

Jack Donovan

⚡SUBSTACK: https://mrjackdonovan.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM: @starttheworld

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE: https://jack-donovan.com/

CB Robertson

⚡SUBSTACK: https://cbrobertson.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM @caffeineandphilosophy

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE:https://caffeineandphilosophy.com/

In a world of sensationalism and hot takes, the project of DIALOG is to seek the Aristotelian mean. What is reasonable, what makes the most sense, what is best? To create a new golden age, we have to decide what we want and where we want to go—or at least decide on the best general direction. This is not weak compromise or safe centrism. The mean we are seeking is the difficult, active balance between excess and deficiency that produces excellence, strength, and enduring order. This is the hard middle path that serious men have always sought when they intend to build rather than merely complain or entertain.

✍️Jack Donovan is a gonzo anthropologist who lives in Arizona. He is the author of The Way of Men, Becoming a Barbarian, A More Complete Beast, and Fire in the Dark. For nearly twenty years he has written and spoken on masculinity, philosophy, and the conditions that allow strong men to thrive. His work moves past trends and moral fashion to the permanent things.

✍️CB Robertson is a blue-collar philosopher who works as an electrician. He is a husband and the father of five children and lives in Eastern Washington. He is the author of The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism, In Defense of Hatred, and Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity. For many years he has produced YouTube commentaries under the name Caffeine and Philosophy.

🔥Both men are Solar Idealists, founding members of The Order of Fire’s First Men, and contributors to PH2T3R: A Journal for Solar Culture. In DIALOG they bring their different experiences and shared commitments to questions that matter. They do not chase controversy or agreement. They seek what actually works for men who mean to create something that lasts.

🔥To learn more about Solar Idealism and The Order of Fire, visit https://orderoffire.com/

Or follow our YouTube channel: /@orderoffire

JACK DONOVAN’S BOOKS

📖The Way of Men https://amzn.to/4aITiG7

📖Becoming a Barbarian https://amzn.to/4bZL0KQ

📖A More Complete Beast https://amzn.to/4bBLKpD

📖Fire in the Dark https://amzn.to/3VhdV7H

Buy CB Robertson’s Books

📖The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism https://amzn.to/4cCZL9O

📖Letter to Anwei: An Explanation of Human Identity and Transgenerational Ethics https://amzn.to/4tCAzpM

📖Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity https://amzn.to/4dbNxoA

📖In Defense of Hatred https://amzn.to/4ukloBP

CONNECT

Jack Donovan

⚡SUBSTACK: https://mrjackdonovan.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM: @starttheworld

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE: https://jack-donovan.com/

CB Robertson

⚡SUBSTACK: https://cbrobertson.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM @caffeineandphilosophy

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE:https://caffeineandphilosophy.com/

In a world of sensationalism and hot takes, the project of DIALOG is to seek the Aristotelian mean. What is reasonable, what makes the most sense, what is best? To create a new golden age, we have to decide what we want and where we want to go—or at least decide on the best general direction. This is not weak compromise or safe centrism. The mean we are seeking is the difficult, active balance between excess and deficiency that produces excellence, strength, and enduring order. This is the hard middle path that serious men have always sought when they intend to build rather than merely complain or entertain.

✍️Jack Donovan is a gonzo anthropologist who lives in Arizona. He is the author of The Way of Men, Becoming a Barbarian, A More Complete Beast, and Fire in the Dark. For nearly twenty years he has written and spoken on masculinity, philosophy, and the conditions that allow strong men to thrive. His work moves past trends and moral fashion to the permanent things.

✍️CB Robertson is a blue-collar philosopher who works as an electrician. He is a husband and the father of five children and lives in Eastern Washington. He is the author of The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism, In Defense of Hatred, and Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity. For many years he has produced YouTube commentaries under the name Caffeine and Philosophy.

🔥Both men are Solar Idealists, founding members of The Order of Fire’s First Men, and contributors to PH2T3R: A Journal for Solar Culture. In DIALOG they bring their different experiences and shared commitments to questions that matter. They do not chase controversy or agreement. They seek what actually works for men who mean to create something that lasts.

🔥To learn more about Solar Idealism and The Order of Fire, visit https://orderoffire.com/

Or follow our YouTube channel: /@orderoffire

JACK DONOVAN’S BOOKS

📖The Way of Men https://amzn.to/4aITiG7

📖Becoming a Barbarian https://amzn.to/4bZL0KQ

📖A More Complete Beast https://amzn.to/4bBLKpD

📖Fire in the Dark https://amzn.to/3VhdV7H

Buy CB Robertson’s Books

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💬DIALOG comes from two words Dia (διά) means through, across, between. Logos (λόγος) means word, speech, reason, account, discourse.The compound dialogos means a conversation or exchange of words passing through or between parties. Earliest attested uses in Greek refer to the conversational sections of philosophical and dramatic works, as opposed to monologue or narrative.

In a world of sensationalism and hot takes, the project of DIALOG is to seek the Aristotelian mean. What is reasonable, what makes the most sense, what is best? To create a new golden age, we have to decide what we want and where we want to go—or at least decide on the best general direction. This is not weak compromise or safe centrism. The mean we are seeking is the difficult, active balance between excess and deficiency that produces excellence, strength, and enduring order. This is the hard middle path that serious men have always sought when they intend to build rather than merely complain or entertain.

✍️Jack Donovan is a gonzo anthropologist who lives in Arizona. He is the author of The Way of Men, Becoming a Barbarian, A More Complete Beast, and Fire in the Dark. For nearly twenty years he has written and spoken on masculinity, philosophy, and the conditions that allow strong men to thrive. His work moves past trends and moral fashion to the permanent things.

✍️CB Robertson is a blue-collar philosopher who works as an electrician. He is a husband and the father of five children and lives in Eastern Washington. He is the author of The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism, In Defense of Hatred, and Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity. For many years he has produced YouTube commentaries under the name Caffeine and Philosophy.

🔥Both men are Solar Idealists, founding members of The Order of Fire’s First Men, and contributors to PH2T3R: A Journal for Solar Culture. In DIALOG they bring their different experiences and shared commitments to questions that matter. They do not chase controversy or agreement. They seek what actually works for men who mean to create something that lasts.

🔥To learn more about Solar Idealism and The Order of Fire, visit https://orderoffire.com/

Or follow our YouTube channel: /@orderoffire

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📖Becoming a Barbarian https://amzn.to/4bZL0KQ

📖A More Complete Beast https://amzn.to/4bBLKpD

📖Fire in the Dark https://amzn.to/3VhdV7H

Buy CB Robertson’s Books

📖The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism https://amzn.to/4cCZL9O

📖Letter to Anwei: An Explanation of Human Identity and Transgenerational Ethics https://amzn.to/4tCAzpM

📖Holy Nihilism: The Moral and Spiritual Case Against Christianity https://amzn.to/4dbNxoA

📖In Defense of Hatred https://amzn.to/4ukloBP

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Jack Donovan

⚡SUBSTACK: https://mrjackdonovan.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM: @starttheworld

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE: https://jack-donovan.com/

CB Robertson

⚡SUBSTACK: https://cbrobertson.substack.com/

⚡INSTAGRAM @caffeineandphilosophy

⚡OFFICIAL WEBSITE:https://caffeineandphilosophy.com/