Robin Canfield shares why he films with iPhones, how he teaches documentary in twenty countries, and the communication skill he says every documentary filmmaker overlooks.

Robin joins us from Saigon, Vietnam, during a four-week documentary program with international students. He shares why he switched from Canon cameras to phones, how his crews rebuild story structure at 1 AM using sticky notes on a wall, what happened the day a government minder followed him into a Hoi An coffee shop, and why he thinks communication is the skill every documentary filmmaker overlooks.

In this episode, you'll learn:

— Why documentary subjects freeze in front of professional cameras but open up around Phones

— How Robin and his students have produced more than 200 short documentaries in 20+ countries

— The paper-cut editing method Robin uses when the timeline on the computer isn’t telling the story

— Why communication may matter more than any gear you buy

— How to film ethically in countries where you're a guest, and what to do when the government is watching

— Why Robin screens every film locally before leaving, so the people in the story can see it first

— How Actuality Abroad started with a coffee cooperative story in Guatemala

— How a journalism background becomes a foundation for documentary filmmaking

— Why filmmakers can’t wait for someone to fund their work anymore

— What Robin means when he says "everyone is a storyteller, and everyone could be a better one"

Timestamps:

0:00 Introduction

1:11 Robin in Saigon — the Documentary Outreach program

2:52 Growing up with a camera — Dad’s darkroom

5:35 Journalism at Oregon State

7:31 Founding Actuality Abroad — the Guatemala test run

11:34 Writing Purpose Driven Documentaries

15:49 Why Robin switched from Canon cameras to iPhones

16:32 Why subjects freeze for cameras and relax around phones

17:04 Filmmaking is a craft you learn by doing

21:21 Everyone is a storyteller

24:42 Documentary filmmaking is problem solving

25:54 International production and visa logistics

29:32 The government watcher in a Vietnam coffee shop

34:50 The paper-cut editing method

39:13 Rights, Creative Commons, and protecting films

42:43 The Edinburgh tavern — being American abroad

45:06 Learning to crowdfund and ask for what you need

48:42 DocuView Deja Vu: The Pez Outlaw

DocuView Deja Vu Pick:

Robin Canfield: The Pez Outlaw (Netflix, 2022)

This episode is supported by Virgil Films Entertainment.

About the Guest:

Robin Canfield is the co-founder and Director of Global Operations at Actuality Abroad, a media-centered study abroad program that has produced more than 200 short documentaries in 20+ countries. He trains his crews on iPhones with Tilta rigs, not traditional cinema cameras. He is the author of Purpose Driven Documentaries: A Field Guide to Creating Impact (Focal Press), a textbook for students and storytellers making social impact documentaries. He grew up around his father’s darkroom, studied journalism at Oregon State University, and has been a photographer and filmmaker most of his life. Based in Orlando, Florida.

Some of Robin's Recent Works:

“Los Maestros del Mañana” - Los Maestros del Mañana - July/August 2025, San Miguel de Allende, Mexico - Documentary Outreach (4 week program)

“Welcome to La Perseverancia” - Welcome to La Perseverancia - May 2025, Bogota, Colombia - Field Study (custom program with 10 adult former-foster-care-youth from Chicago)

“What Feeds Us” - What Feeds Us - January/February 2025, Bangkok, Thailand - Documentary Outreach (4 week program)

“Anything is Possible” - Anything is Possible - July/August 2024, Tangier, Morocco - Documentary Outreach (4 week program)

“Seeds for the Future” - Seeds for the Future - July, 2024, Uaxactún, Guatemala - Storytelling Expedition (2 week program in the Maya jungle in Guatemala)

About Actuality Abroad:

Actuality Abroad is a media-centered study abroad program that pairs filmmaking students with NGOs and social enterprises around the world. Since its founding, the program has produced over 200 short documentaries in more than 20 countries, including Guatemala, Colombia, Thailand, Indonesia, Mexico, Ecuador, and Vietnam. Students work in small crews, follow a full pre-production and editing curriculum, and screen their finished films locally before leaving each country.

***Interested in going on a trip with Actuality Abroad to Guatamala this July? Visit the Actuality Abroad website and hit the "Apply Now" button.***

Resources Mentioned:

— Purpose Driven Documentaries: A Field Guide to Creating Impact by Robin Canfield (Focal Press)

— The Pez Outlaw (Netflix, 2022)

— The Cove (2009)

— Poverty Inc. (2014)

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In this Deep Dive on Episode 275, Christian connects that experience to her conversation with Erik and Christopher Ewers, the brothers behind the PBS documentary Henry David Thoreau. Chris Ewers argues that every technological revolution has felt like the end of the world — the Industrial Revolution, digital cameras, and now AI. Each time the tool became indispensable. Then Christian pulls in Thoreau himself — the man who railed against the railroad and then rode the train 70 times. He used the tool deliberately.

In this episode, you’ll hear:

• The full story of the suspicious voice-over job offer and the ten questions that ended it.
• Why Christian’s VO business is declining while her filmmaking and podcasting are thriving.
• Chris Ewers’s case for why AI is the digital camera revolution all over again.
• Thoreau’s “cost of a thing” quote and why it hits differently in the age of AI.
• The contradiction of Thoreau and the train — and what “live deliberately” actually means now.
• Jeff Goldblum at the mic and George Clooney saying “tell me if I suck” — what AI will never replace.

Timestamps:

0:00 What George Clooney Told the Directors

0:18 Show open

0:28 The Ethan Caldwell story

2:33 Where I stand with AI

3:49 The Ewers Brothers and the revolution that always comes

5:09 Clip: Chris Ewers on AI and the digital camera revolution

7:15 Thoreau, technology, and the train he swore he’d never ride

9:25 What “live deliberately” actually means

9:44 What Ethan Caldwell’s silence reveals

10:45 Goldblum, Clooney, and what machines can’t replicate

11:59 Closing

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About the Guests (from DF Episode 275):

Erik Ewers: Director, Editor. Ken Burns’s senior editor for 33+ years. Multiple Emmy winner. Based in New Hampshire.

Christopher Loren Ewers: Director, DP. 20+ years behind the camera. Based in the NYC metro area.

About Henry David Thoreau (PBS):

A three-part, three-hour documentary. Executive produced by Ken Burns and Don Henley. Narrated by George Clooney. Voices by Jeff Goldblum (Thoreau), Ted Danson (Emerson), Meryl Streep, and Tate Donovan. Available now on PBS and PBS Documentaries on Amazon.

Resources:

Henry David Thoreau (PBS, 2026) | Walden by Henry David Thoreau (1854)

Hear Part 1: Episode 274, “I Didn’t Know Myself: Erik & Chris Ewers on Ken Burns, PBS & Thoreau”

Hear Part 2: Episode 275, "Erik & Chris Ewers on PBS Funding, AI & Directing Goldblum, Clooney & Streep"

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Christian Taylor: @meetchristiantaylor I linkedin.com/in/meetchristiantaylor

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Erik and Christopher Ewers get real about PBS funding, AI’s impact on filmmaking, and how they landed George Clooney, Jeff Goldblum, Ted Danson, Tate Donovan and Meryl Streep for their new PBS documentary Henry David Thoreau.

In Part 2 of this conversation, the Ewers Brothers open up about the financial realities of documentary funding, even with Ken Burns and Don Henley attached, why Chris sees AI as the next revolution instead of the apocalypse, how broadcast is giving way to streaming, and the stories behind casting some of Hollywood’s biggest voices. This is Part 2 of a two-part conversation.

In Part 2, you’ll learn:

— Why having Ken Burns and Don Henley as executive producers doesn’t make funding easy and who actually made the Thoreau film possible

— Chris’s case for why AI is the digital camera revolution all over again, not the death of filmmaking

— The best professional advice Chris ever received and why it will never change

— How Chris kept his mouth shut on a commercial set with Jeff Goldblum and how that silence led to Goldblum voicing Thoreau

— The story of how Don Henley quietly recruited George Clooney as narrator and Clooney’s reaction when asked how long he’d known Henley

— Ken Burns’s advice on directing Meryl Streep: “You don’t.”

— How streaming is changing episode length and why “the director’s cut” isn't what it used to be.

— Erik’s approach to pre-planning edit cuts for PBS broadcast time slots without sacrificing the story

— Why Ken Burns treats his mentorship like tough love — and why Erik is grateful for it

— One thing filmmakers need to know about getting a documentary on PBS

Timestamps:

0:00 Introduction

1:21 Unpacking the Thoreauvian mindset

2:46 Thoreau’s prescience on consumerism

3:50 Erik on Thoreau’s “cost of life” quote and the iPhone

4:40 Thoreau and the birth of the Industrial Revolution

6:03 Christian’s advice: think from the end back

6:50 Chris on the state of the industry — Industrial Revolution to AI

10:20 Christian: as a voice actor, AI is a challenge

10:53 The best professional advice Chris ever received

11:36 Christian on the struggle to fund the next film

12:54 Money is always the biggest hurdle

13:15 How the Ewers Brothers fund PBS docs without federal money

14:49 Ken Burns’s two binders of rejection letters

15:07 The Movies That Made Us — encouragement for indie filmmakers

16:26 The reality: it’s hard for everybody

17:52 Erik on Ken Burns’s legacy projects and the privilege of the brand

20:58 Erik on earning the gift — Ken’s tough love mentorship

22:00 Broadcast vs. streaming — why episode length is changing

23:52 Erik’s editing strategy for PBS time slots

25:37 Celebrity voice talent — how they landed Jeff Goldblum

27:43 Don Henley’s connections — Ted Danson and Meryl Streep

29:09 The George Clooney reveal — “If Don Henley calls, you say yes”

30:43 What it’s like to direct celebrity voice talent

30:55 Jeff Goldblum in the booth — pure instinct

31:26 Ken Burns’s advice on directing Meryl Streep

31:52 George Clooney: “Tell me if I suck”

32:42 DocuVue Deja Vu — Erik’s picks and Chris’s all-time favorite

DocuView DejaVu Picks:

Erik Ewers: Crumb (1994), Hearts of Darkness: A Filmmaker’s Apocalypse (1991), Jiro Dreams of Sushi (2011), The Thin Blue Line (1988)

Christopher Loren Ewers: Man on Wire (2008)

Christian Taylor: Buy Now: The Shopping Conspiracy (Netflix, 2024)

This episode is supported by Virgil Films Entertainment.

About the Guests:

Erik Ewers — Director, Editor. Ken Burns’s senior editor for 33+ years. Multiple Emmy winner. ACE Eddie Award winner (The Roosevelts, 2015). Based in New Hampshire.

Christopher Loren Ewers — Director, DP. 20+ years behind the camera. Commercial clients include Apple, Coca-Cola, Tiffany & Co., Stella Artois, Volvo, Peter Millar. Based in the NYC metro area.

About Henry David Thoreau (PBS):

A three-part, three-hour documentary — the first full-length documentary biography of Thoreau. Executive produced by Ken Burns and Don Henley. Narrated by George Clooney. Voices by Jeff Goldblum (Thoreau), Ted Danson (Ralph Waldo Emerson), Meryl Streep (Lidian Emerson, Margaret Fuller, Mary Merrick Brooks, Maria Thoreau), and Tate Donovan (William Ellery Channing). Available now on PBS and PBS Documentaries on Amazon.

Resources Mentioned:

— Henry David Thoreau (PBS, 2026)

— Buy Now: The Shopping Conspiracy (Netflix, 2024)

— The Movies That Made Us (Netflix)

— Walden; or, Life in the Woods by Henry David Thoreau (1854)

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Henry David Thoreau wrote that most people lead lives of “quiet desperation.” But what did he actually mean - and what does it look like inside a successful career?

That’s the question Christian Taylor explores in this episode of Documentary First: The Deep Dive, after her conversation with Erik and Christopher Ewers—two brothers who just directed a three-part, three-hour PBS documentary on Thoreau. The film is narrated by George Clooney, with Jeff Goldblum voicing Thoreau, Ted Danson as Emerson, and Meryl Streep voicing several women in Thoreau’s life. It’s executive produced by Ken Burns and Don Henley.

What struck Christian wasn’t the star-studded cast or the prestige credentials. It was a quiet confession from Erik - Ken Burns’s senior editor for 33 years - who admitted that despite decades of career confidence, he didn’t really know himself. He described himself as “lost and wayward.” And it was his own documentary about youth mental illness that finally woke him up.

That led Christian back to Thoreau’s famous line and to a realization: Thoreau wasn’t describing unhappy people. He was describing people who don’t even know they’re suffering. People whose competence has become the hiding place.

What You’ll Learn:

• Why competence can mask a total lack of self-knowledge - for decades
• What Thoreau actually meant by “quiet desperation” (it’s not what most people think)
• How Erik Ewers’s own documentary became the mirror that showed him himself
• The connection between Thoreau’s grief, Christian’s grief, and the impulse to strip life down to what’s real
• A practical challenge for filmmakers and creators: rest is where the seeing happens

The Core Idea:

Your craft can take you everywhere - except inward. The stories we tell have the power to tell us something back, but only if we’re paying attention. This episode explores what happens when the noise finally stops and we’re left standing on honest ground.

Featured Guests:

Erik Ewers – Director, Editor. Ken Burns’s senior editor for 33+ years. Multiple Emmy winner. ACE Eddie Award winner (The Roosevelts, 2015). Based in New Hampshire. Has worked on nearly every Burns film since The Civil War (1990). Co-director of Henry David Thoreau (PBS, 2026), Hiding in Plain Sight (2012) and The Mayo Clinic (2018)

Christopher Loren Ewers – Director, DP. 20+ years behind the camera. World-class cinematographer. Has been shooting for Burns and Florentine Films since The Vietnam War. Commercial clients include Apple, Coca-Cola, Stella Artois, Volvo and Peter Millar. Based in the NYC metro area.

Christopher Ewers Commercial Work

About Henry David Thoreau (PBS):

A three-part, three-hour documentary – the first full-length documentary biography of Thoreau. Executive produced by Ken Burns and Don Henley. Narrated by George Clooney. Voices by Jeff Goldblum (Thoreau), Ted Danson (Ralph Waldo Emerson), Meryl Streep, and Tate Donovan. Henry David Thoreau premied on PBS on March 30 and 31, 2026. Available now on PBS and wherever you stream PBS content.

Henry David Thoreau Series Trailer

Part 2 of the interview with Erik and Chris Ewers drops April 9 - covering PBS funding realities, AI and the industry, and how they landed Jeff Goldblum, George Clooney, Tate Donovan and Meryl Streep.

Resources Mentioned:

• Henry David Thoreau (PBS, 2026) - available on PBS and PBS Documentaries on Amazon
• Hiding in Plain Sight: Youth Mental Illness (PBS, 2022)
• Walden; or, Life in the Woods by Henry David Thoreau (1854)

About The Deep Dive:

This companion podcast airs on alternate weeks from the main Documentary First podcast. Every other week, Christian takes one idea from a recent conversation and explores it more deeply - examining what it means, why it matters, and what to do about it.

Hear the full interview:

Listen to Episode 274 of Documentary First for Christian’s complete conversation with Erik and Christopher Ewers about the Thoreau documentary, working with Ken Burns, and the brother dynamic behind the filmmaking.

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What does it take to build a filmmaking career inside Ken Burns's world — and what happens when the hardest part isn't the craft, but learning who you are?

Erik and Christopher Ewers are brothers who co-direct for PBS under the Ken Burns banner. Erik has been Burns's senior editor for 33+ years. Chris is a DP who's shot for Apple, Coca-Cola, and Tiffany & Co. Their latest project: Henry David Thoreau, a three-part PBS documentary series executive produced by Ken Burns and Don Henley, narrated by George Clooney, with Jeff Goldblum voicing Thoreau, Ted Danson as Ralph Waldo Emerson, and Meryl Streep. Henry David Thoreau premieres on PBS March 30. This is Part 1 of a two-part conversation.

In Part 1, you'll learn:

— How Erik ended up working for Ken Burns through a real estate deal involving window treatments and carpets

— How a 22-minute visitors center film became the doorway to a three-hour PBS series

— What it's really like to co-direct a documentary with your brother (even Ken Burns couldn't do it with his)

— How Chris balances high-end commercial work with documentary filmmaking to sustain a creative career

— The challenge of filming Walden Pond with only two usable photographs of Thoreau

— Why knowing yourself is the most important skill a filmmaker can develop — and Erik's deeply personal story about discovering that through his own film

Part 2 drops April 9 — covering PBS funding realities, AI and the industry, and how they landed Jeff Goldblum, George Clooney, and Meryl Streep.

This episode is supported by Virgil Films Entertainment.

About the Guests:

Erik Ewers — Director, Editor. Ken Burns's senior editor for 33+ years. Multiple Emmy winner. ACE Eddie Award winner (The Roosevelts, 2015). Based in New Hampshire.

Christopher Loren Ewers — Director, DP. 20+ years behind the camera. Commercial clients include Apple, Coca-Cola, Tiffany & Co., Stella Artois, Volvo. Based in the NYC metro area.

About Henry David Thoreau (PBS):

A three-part, three-hour documentary — the first full-length documentary biography of Thoreau. Executive produced by Ken Burns and Don Henley. Narrated by George Clooney. Voices by Jeff Goldblum (Thoreau), Ted Danson (Ralph Waldo Emerson), Meryl Streep, and Tate Donovan. Henry David Thoreau premieres on PBS March 30. Available on PBS and wherever you stream PBS content.

Christopher Ewers Commerical Work

Henry David Throeau Series Trailer

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Eighty years earlier and four thousand miles away, a D-Day veteran stood on Utah Beach watching children play in the water where his friends had died—and said something just as unexpected: “That’s why we came.”

In this episode of Documentary First: The Deep Dive, Christian Taylor connects these two moments to a discovery C.S. Lewis made in his grief journal A Grief Observed—and asks what it all means for the stories we tell as filmmakers. The answer surprised her. It might surprise you too.

What You’ll Learn:

• What 20+ D-Day veterans told filmmaker Jake Schroeder when he asked if it was disrespectful to play on the beaches where men died
• The C.S. Lewis line that connects grief, praise, and joy—and why filmmakers need to hear it
• How Bridgerton Season 4, Episode 7 modeled a radically different response to loss
• G.K. Chesterton’s 1908 concept that reframes everything: why joy might be bigger than the pain
• Christian’s challenge to filmmakers: What if we gave our audiences permission to dance?

The Core Insight:

C.S. Lewis noticed that his grief wasn’t bringing him closer to his wife—it was cutting him off from her. Only in moments of least sorrow did she come rushing back, vivid and whole. He realized there are different modes of loving someone you’ve lost: grief focuses on the absence, but praise focuses on the fullness. And when love takes the form of praise, joy shows up inside it without being forced.

That’s what Francesca Bridgerton discovered at John’s celebration of life. It’s what Anthony Malin was doing when he watched children splash on Utah Beach and wept. Same love. Different mode.

Plus:

• Christian’s personal story of losing her mom and finding A Grief Observed
• Why the most powerful story we can tell might not be about the suffering—but about the moment after
• How The Girl Who Wore Freedom approaches joy in the soil soaked with blood

Featured Guest:

Jake Schroeder—Founder of the D-Day Leadership Academy, former professional musician and youth sports director. Jake brings high school students to Normandy to learn leadership through the stories of D-Day, and has spent years taking veterans back to the beaches where they fought.

References Mentioned:

• Bridgerton Season 4, Episode 7: “The Beyond” (Netflix)
• C.S. Lewis — A Grief Observed
• G.K. Chesterton — Orthodoxy (1908)
• Jake Schroeder / D-Day Leadership Academy
• The Girl Who Wore Freedom (Christian Taylor’s film)
• Anthony Malin — D-Day veteran, LST driver, Utah Beach

About The Deep Dive:

This companion podcast airs on alternate weeks from the main Documentary First podcast. Every other week, Christian takes one powerful idea from a recent conversation and explores it more deeply—examining what it means, why it matters, and what to do about it.

Hear the full interview:

Listen to Episode 273 of Documentary First for Christian’s complete conversation with Jake Schroeder about D-Day, leadership, and what veterans can teach us about purpose.

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Jake Schroeder—former frontman of OP Gone Bad, national anthem singer for the Colorado Avalanche, and executive director of the Denver Police Activities League—now runs the D-Day Leadership Academy, bringing inner-city youth to Normandy, France to learn leadership through the stories of World War II.

After concussions, insurance costs, and political shifts dismantled his youth sports programs serving 4,000 kids a year, Jake pivoted. Inspired by the WWII veterans he’d been bringing back to Omaha Beach and Utah Beach since 2011, he transformed his nonprofit into a Normandy-based leadership program built on five pillars drawn from D-Day: leading from the front, total commitment to mission, chaos, preparation, and empathy. In this conversation, he and host Christian Taylor—director of the award-winning documentary The Girl Who Wore Freedom—explore what success really means when the money isn’t there but the mission keeps growing.

What You’ll Learn:

• What does the D-Day Leadership Academy teach kids in Normandy?
• How do you pivot a nonprofit when your core programs collapse?
• What did WWII veterans say about people recreating on Normandy’s beaches?
• How do you define success when your documentary or nonprofit isn’t financially profitable?
• What are John Elway’s three rules for running a successful charity event?
• How does Stoic philosophy help when you’re facing failure in filmmaking or leadership?
• What documentary films should you watch? Elway to Marino, Miracle: The Boys of ’80, Cold War on Ice

Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction

03:07 How Christian and Jake met in Normandy, France

04:56 The Girl Who Wore Freedom documentary connection

06:19 Following up on failure: Epic Bill and redefining success

09:00 OP Gone Bad band years: when the road is worth it

12:16 Stoicism and choosing your response to hardship

15:06 Virginia Beach at night: perspective and insignificance

17:16 Documentary filmmaking relationships that last a lifetime

18:36 Denver Police Activities League: origin and mission

22:00 Starting inner-city hockey with the Colorado Avalanche

23:56 Youth sports crisis: specialization, concussions, and insurance

27:12 The pivot: shutting down programs and reimagining the mission

28:04 How the Normandy leadership program began (2015)

30:16 What the D-Day Leadership Academy program looks like today

33:31 Five pillars of D-Day leadership: empathy, chaos, preparation

36:04 Expanding to adult leadership retreats in Normandy

42:45 Normandy tours: culinary, yoga, couples, and classical concerts

45:13 The Girl Who Wore Freedom guided tour and charity auction

47:55 What WWII veterans said about children playing on Utah Beach

49:49 Message to documentary filmmakers: your film matters

51:53 John Elway’s elevator advice on charity events

55:58 DocuVue Déjà Vu: Elway to Marino, Miracle: The Boys of ’80, Cold War on Ice

About Jake Schroeder:

Jake Schroeder is a fourth-generation Colorado native, former frontman of the funk-rock band OP Gone Bad, and sang the national anthem for the Colorado Avalanche (NHL) over 1,000 times across 25 years. He began volunteering with the Denver Police Activities League in 1999, became executive director in 2014, and transformed the organization into the D-Day Leadership Academy—a nonprofit that brings inner-city youth, police officers, and combat veterans to Sainte-Mère-Église, Normandy, France to learn leadership through the stories of D-Day, Omaha Beach, Utah Beach, and the 82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions. He lives in Golden, Colorado with his partner Brooke Ferguson, principal flutist of the Colorado Symphony. Website: Home | D-Day Leadership Academy

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That’s the question Christian Taylor explores in this episode of Documentary First: The Deep Dive, sparked by her conversation with filmmaker Quinnolyn Benson-Yates about the documentary Epic Bill. Bill Bradley lost his video rental empire to Netflix, went bankrupt, went through a divorce—and then rebuilt himself through extreme endurance athletics. His mantra? “Courage is a muscle.” And “Show up and suffer.”

In this deeply personal episode, Christian connects Bill’s story to her own struggles as a filmmaker, podcast host, and business owner—and to the ancient wisdom of the Stoics, Scripture, and some of history’s greatest examples of failure-turned-triumph.

What You’ll Learn:

• Why “courage is a muscle” is backed by actual science
• The mental tennis lesson that changed Christian’s relationship with failure
• What Thomas Edison and Michael Jordan understood about reframing failure
• How the 1980 “Miracle on Ice” wouldn’t have happened without a crushing 10-3 defeat
• What the Stoics and James 1:2-4 agree on about trials and perseverance
• Christian’s honest confession about feeling like a failure—and choosing to keep going

Key Quotes:

• “I didn’t fail. I found out 2,000 ways how not to make a light bulb.” — Thomas Edison
• “I’ve failed over and over and over in my life. And that’s why I succeed.” — Michael Jordan
• “The impediment to action advances action. What stands in the way becomes the way.” — Marcus Aurelius
• “Valuing the courage to try again is a radical concept.” — Quinnolyn Benson-Yates

Featured Documentary: Epic Bill, directed by Quinnolyn Benson-Yates. Now streaming on Amazon and Apple TV. PBS nationwide distribution.

Resources Mentioned: Vic Braden’s Mental Tennis • The Obstacle Is the Way by Ryan Holiday • Miracle: The Boys of ’80 (Netflix) • James 1:2-4, Romans 8:28

About The Deep Dive: This companion podcast airs on alternate weeks from the main Documentary First podcast. Every other week, Christian takes one powerful idea from a recent conversation and explores it more deeply—examining what it means, why it matters, and what to do about it.

Hear the full interview: Listen to Episode 272 of Documentary First for Christian’s complete conversation with Quinnolyn Benson-Yates about Epic Bill, seven years of documentary filmmaking, and the PBS distribution journey.

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Epic Bill follows an endurance athlete who lost everything when his video rental empire collapsed (thanks, Netflix). Bill’s mantra—“show up and suffer”—became Quinn’s filmmaking philosophy as she navigated polar vortexes, battery failures in -50° weather, and the brutal realities of distribution. In this episode, she shares how she cut a 93-minute film down to 56 minutes for PBS, why credibility matters more than connections, and the uncomfortable truth about what distribution actually solves.

DocuView Déjà Vu:

Free Solo, 2018, 100 mins, Watch on on Disney + Package / Hulu, IMDB Link: Free Solo (2018) ⭐ 8.1 | Documentary, Adventure, Sport

Meru, 2015, 90 mins, Watch on Prime Video, IMDB Link: Meru (2015) ⭐ 7.7 | Documentary, Sport

Crip Camp: A Disability Revolution, 2020, 106 mins, Watch on Netflix, IMDB Link: Crip Camp (2020) ⭐ 7.7 | Documentary, History

What You’ll Learn:

• Why “fail early, fail often” should include “fail sustainably”
• How archival footage transformed a short film into a feature
• The PBS application process (NETA) and what it requires
• What intermediaries like Bitmax do for Apple TV/Amazon distribution
• Why distribution doesn’t make your career—you do

About Quinnolyn Benson-Yates

Quinnolyn Benson-Yates is an award-winning filmmaker with an MFA from USC School of Cinematic Arts. Her feature documentary Epic Bill gained nationwide PBS distribution with promotions on CNN and SiriusXM, and is now available on Amazon and Apple TV. She’s a two-time winner of Santa Barbara International Film Festival’s 10-10-10 competition, and her short film Miss River screened at Palm Springs LGBTQ Film Festival. Her most recent short, a Western comedy called Man, premiered at Austin Film Festival. She’s currently developing her first narrative feature about a middle school girl starting a punk band with her dad—inspired by her own childhood as an eight-year-old punk rock singer.

Website: QBY | Film: Epic Bill - The Film | Instagram: @‌quinnolyn

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00:00 Introduction

04:27 Quinn’s journey: punk rocker to USC film grad

06:44 Current projects: narrative feature development

08:02 Epic Bill origin: short film becomes seven-year feature

10:08 Why documentaries take so long

13:22 Bill’s philosophy: “Show up and suffer”

17:35 Applying endurance athlete lessons to filmmaking

21:59 Filming in extreme conditions as a new filmmaker

25:26 Fail early, fail often—fail sustainably

27:01 Hardest scenes: -50° battery failures and emotional breakthroughs

30:44 Bill’s financial story: millionaire to bankruptcy

33:57 What beliefs needed to die for Bill to succeed

38:52 Leslie Murphy: the stakes character (Free Solo comparison)

43:36 The PBS path: NETA application and cutting from 93 to 56 minutes

46:33 Bitmax and Apple TV/Amazon distribution

51:02 Deliverables that surprised her

54:13 CNN and SiriusXM promotion: cold emails and pitch packets

56:45 Industry Stress Test: Plan A, B, C when nobody’s buying

1:00:04 Uncomfortable truth: distribution doesn’t make your career

1:01:01 Practical tool: scene-by-scene film study method

1:03:49 DocuView Déjà Vu: Free Solo, Meru, Crip Camp

That’s the question Christian Taylor explores in this episode of Documentary First: The Deep Dive, after her conversation with Joe Amodei—filmmaker, 40-year industry veteran, and owner of Virgil Films Entertainment (Supersize Me, Restrepo, Forks Over Knives). What struck her wasn’t just what Joe said about Cat Fest 2026—it was the warmth and trust in their conversation. In her experience, that kind of rapport between filmmaker and distributor is genuinely rare.

So she did some digging. What she found was both infuriating and clarifying: there’s no Better Business Bureau for film distribution. No government agency protecting filmmakers. No licensing board. The system that exists is word of mouth, peer networks, and a few dedicated nonprofits trying to shine a light in the darkness.

What You’ll Learn: - The 5 essential steps for vetting a film distributor before signing - Red flags that should make you walk away from any distribution deal - Why The Film Collaborative’s Distributor ReportCard is the closest thing to “Yelp for distributors” - What filmmakers really say about predatory distributors (anonymous quotes) - Christian’s own distribution horror story—and how she got her film back

The Framework for Finding the Good Guys: 1. Talk to other filmmakers (not the distributor’s references) 2. Check The Film Collaborative’s Distributor ReportCard 3. Watch for red flags (15-year contracts, Netflix promises, no expense caps) 4. Get an entertainment attorney who specializes in distribution 5. Know the system is broken—community is the safety net

Plus: A powerful story from Minnesota about pizza shops and doughnut shops becoming the safety net when no infrastructure exists—and what it teaches us about looking out for each other.

Featured Guest: Joe Amodei—Owner of Virgil Films Entertainment, with 40+ years in distribution. His company has distributed Supersize Me, Restrepo, and Forks Over Knives. According to The Film Collaborative, Virgil Films is “one of the more positively reviewed distributors.”

Resources Mentioned: - The Film Collaborative Distributor ReportCard: The Film Collaborative - IMDb Pro for contacting filmmakers directly - Alex Ferrari / Indie Film Hustle: Indie Film Hustle® - Thrive & Survive in the Film Industry (podcasts, courses, and filmmaker protection resources) - Entertainment attorney Anne Easton: My Lawyer Friend Podcast

About The Deep Dive: This companion podcast airs on alternate weeks from the main Documentary First podcast. Every other week, Christian takes one powerful idea from a recent conversation and explores it more deeply—examining what it means, why it matters, and what to do about it.

Hear the full interview: Listen to Episode 271 of Documentary First for Christian’s complete conversation with Joe Amodei about theatrical distribution, VOD strategies, and why Cat Fest might be the future of cinema. https://open.spotify.com/episode/1xmIiD3Kvostpr3piuxi67?si=26185251dffe471c

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Joe has distributed films from the VHS era through streaming. In this episode, he breaks down which documentary genres actually sell (true crime, health/wellness, and ones that make us feel good—not adventure docs anymore), why 90% of his acquisitions come through referrals, and what separates films that make money from films that don’t. Plus: the 2025 Oscar nominations and Joe’s surprise announcement!

DocuView Déjà Vu:

Train Dreams, 2025, 102 mins, Watch on Netflix, IMDB Link: Train Dreams (2025) ⭐ 7.5 | Drama

The Alabama Solution, 2025, 117 mins, Watch on Disney+/Hulu, HBO Max, IMDB Link: The Alabama Solution (2025) ⭐ 7.8 | Documentary

What You’ll Learn:

• The maximum budget for an indie doc that can actually recoup ($250K—tops)

• Which genres sell: true crime → health/wellness → inspirational

Why adventure/mountain climbing docs have stopped working

The 90-minute cat video compilation that sold out a 252-seat theater

• TVOD vs AVOD: when to release on Tubi vs. keeping it on paid platforms

• What successful filmmakers do differently (hint: audience building before release)

• Why traditional film marketing—print ads, TV spots, newspaper reviews—is dead

Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction

03:03 Joe praises Documentary First’s growth (Ken Burns, Billy Joel doc)

04:55 Announcing Documentary First: The Deep Dive

06:50 Joe’s career: VHS through streaming, Turner, Polygram, USA Home Entertainment

08:02 Why podcasts have become essential for film discovery

15:41 The budget question: $250K maximum for indie docs

17:06 Documentary genres ranked: what sells, what doesn’t

21:40 The cat video phenomenon: 90 minutes, sold-out theater

25:23 2025 Oscar nominations discussion

31:58 What successful filmmakers do differently

41:20 Common mistakes: no homework, no identified audience, overspending

50:48 Distribution pathway: transactional → SVOD → AVOD explained

1:00:29 Joe’s surprise announcement

About Joe Amodei: Founder of Virgil Films, one of the leading independent distributors in the US. 40+ year career spanning Turner Broadcasting, Polygram, and USA Home Entertainment (Traffic, Being John Malkovich). Distributor of The Girl Who Wore Freedom. Website: Home (New)

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That insight from Emmy-winning editor Charles Olivier—who’s cut The Jinx, The Redeem Team, and George Clooney’s Surviving Ohio State—stopped Christian Taylor cold. It cuts right to the heart of documentary filmmaking: your audience will forget most of your film. The question is whether you’ve given them something worth remembering.

In this episode of Documentary First: The Deep Dive, Christian explores the neuroscience behind “sticky” storytelling—why emotional moments lodge in memory while everything else fades—and shares how she accidentally discovered this principle while making The Girl Who Wore Freedom.

What You’ll Explore:

• The Memory Paradox: Why viewers forget 90% of your film—and why that’s okay
• Brain Synchronization: How emotional moments literally sync your audience’s neural patterns
• The Gist vs. Detail Trade-Off: What neuroscience says about what sticks and what fades
• Human Connection Over Subject Matter: Why Charles focuses on relationships, not topics

The Framework for Memorable Storytelling:

1. Ask: What do I want people to remember six months from now?
2. Find: The human moments—not the dramatic footage
3. Build: Your entire film around those moments

Featured Filmmaker: Charles Olivier—Emmy-winning editor whose credits include The Jinx (HBO), The Redeem Team (Netflix), and Surviving Ohio State (HBO/George Clooney). His insight about what audiences remember sparked this entire exploration.

About The Deep Dive: This companion podcast airs on alternate weeks from the main Documentary First podcast. Every other week, Christian takes one powerful idea from a recent conversation and explores it more deeply—examining what it means, why it matters, and what to do about it.

Hear the full interview: Listen to Episode 270 of Documentary First for Christian’s complete conversation with Charles Olivier about editing, working with George Clooney, and structuring documentaries like symphonies. https://open.spotify.com/episode/3yEp5LhuBAlCZACwKpyamR?si=7cdcc3936bbe4256

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This is the first-ever episode of Documentary First: The Deep Dive—a new companion series where Christian Taylor takes one insight from recent podcast conversations, explores it deeply, and connects it to the universal experience of creative work.

In this episode, Christian unpacks why "mountaintop moments"—the ones you've worked years to reach—often feel completely different than you expect. Drawing from her own journey filming at Brecourt Manor in Normandy (the most famous house on D-Day), Christian explores the psychology behind why doubt doesn't disappear when dreams come true, and how the discipline of presence keeps us from missing the very moments we worked so hard to achieve.

What You'll Explore:

· • The Imposter Gap: Why calling yourself an "actor" or "filmmaker" for the first time feels like a lie

· • Hedonic Adaptation: The psychological reason our brains move to the "next worry" before a breakthrough even sinks in

· • Presence vs. Panic: How to stay grounded when you're terrified the "file won't play" during your big debut

· • The Mountaintop Rule: Why valleys aren't failures—they're just part of the terrain

Three Practical Steps to Stay Present:

1. Breathe: Let the exact moment sink in; it will never come again
2. Gratitude: Think of the people who helped you get to this field or tomb
3. Perspective: Learn to ride the highs with joy and the lows with steadiness

Featured Filmmaker: Jeffrey Roth—documentary filmmaker whose work includes being embedded with archaeological teams uncovering ancient Egyptian tombs. His insight about realizing "no, this is real" sparked this entire exploration.

About The Deep Dive: This new mini-podcast airs opposite weeks from the main Documentary First podcast. Every other week, Christian takes one powerful idea from a recent conversation and explores it more deeply—examining what it means, why it matters, and what to do about it.

Hear the full interview with Jeffrey Roth: Listen to his complete Documentary First episode for the backstory behind this moment and his incredible filmmaking journey.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/0fyVxSooH2HViLHVhAln3i?si=f6fe555b10d24a70

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Charles has cut some of the biggest docs of the last decade—The Jinx, Magic and Bird, The Redeem Team. Surviving Ohio State, produced by Clooney and directed by Oscar winner Eva Orner, exposes decades of abuse in college athletics. In this episode, Charles breaks down how he pitched a new vision to the production team, why he structures documentaries like symphonies instead of three-act narratives, and his advice for editors finding their voice.

What You'll Learn:

• How documentary editors get hired (the "fresh eyes" audition)
• The editor as "midwife" to the director's vision
• Structuring docs like music—themes, movements, dynamics
• Editing trauma narratives without losing emotional resonance
• Finding your film's "grain" (why the lead isn't always who you expect)
• What it's actually like working with George Clooney

Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction

03:00 What is Surviving Ohio State?

09:00 How Charles got hired

12:00 The editor as "midwife"

14:00 Career path: film school to HBO

17:00 Why relationships matter more than subject matter

19:00 The message of the film

24:00 Layers of betrayal: institutions vs. individuals

28:00 Structuring documentary like a symphony

34:00 Finding the emotional center

37:00 Trusting yourself as an editor

41:00 Collaboration: when to push back

44:00 Working with George Clooney

49:00 Advice for emerging editors

52:00 DocuView Déjà Vu: FYRE (Netflix)

About Charles Olivier:

Emmy and Peabody Award-winning editor. Credits: Surviving Ohio State (HBO), The Jinx, The Redeem Team (Netflix), Magic and Bird. Based in France.

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Links:

Trailer- The Man with the Hat - Official Trailer

The Man with the Hat

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Tiktok: @themanwiththehatmovie

Socials:

instagram.com/themanwiththehatmovie

tiktok.com/@themanwiththehatmovie

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61585782550439

zahifilm.com

Dr. Zahi Hawass

“41”, 2021, 98 mins, Watch on HBO MAX, IMDB Link: 41 (2012) ⭐ 6.6 | Documentary, Biography

President in Waiting, 2020, 77 mins, Watch on Fawsome or Pluto TV or Roku Channel or Tube or Prime Video, IMDB Link: President in Waiting (2020) ⭐ 7.8 | Documentary, History

DocuView Déjà Vu:

“The Kid Stays In The Picture”, 2002, 93 mins, Watch on Amazon Prime, IMDB Link: The Kid Stays in the Picture (2002) ⭐ 7.3 | Documentary, Biography

Time Codes

• 00:00:00 — Introduction: Jeffrey Roth’s filmmaking philosophy
• 00:03:00 — Filming in Egypt: How Jeffrey connected with Dr. Zahi Hawass
• 00:09:00 — The fixer system: Permits, crew, and equipment in Egypt
• 00:15:00 — Self-funded filmmaking: Creative freedom vs. financial challenges
• 00:21:00 — Character-driven documentary: Why no narration or talking heads
• 00:27:00 — Shooting in tombs: One-hour windows and no scouting
• 00:33:00 — The role of fixers: Language barriers and local crew
• 00:39:00 — Unplanned magic: Discovering five mummies and the family photo moment
• 00:45:00 — Filming during October 7th: 140 miles from Gaza
• 00:51:00 — Making 41: How a screening led to three years with President George H.W. Bush
• 00:57:00 — The Presidential Medal of Freedom: One camera, no audio, and a personal moment
• 01:03:00 — Collaboration in filmmaking: Working with DPs and editors
• 01:09:00 — The business of independent documentary distribution
• 01:17:00 — DocuView Déjà Vu: Jeffrey’s documentary recommendation (The Kid Stays in the Picture)

Sponsor: Virgil Films http://www.virgilfilms.com/

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The conversation dives into the realities of filming in a remote island location—limited resources, environmental challenges, and the unexpected surprises that come with working far off the grid. Peter shares the thought process behind crafting his documentary: how he chose his subjects, the equipment he relied on, and why capturing a holistic portrait of the island mattered deeply to him.

Ultimately, this episode celebrates the art of discovery—of place, of story, and of self. It’s a thoughtful look at the creative process behind documentary filmmaking and the passion that drives filmmakers to preserve cultural heritage and amplify unheard stories.

Links:

The ShipwreckSurvey: Home - The Shipwreck Survey

Prom Night In Mississippi: Prom Night in Mississippi (2009) ⭐ 7.2 | Documentary

Cotopaxi: Cotopaxi - Gear For Good | Free shipping on orders $99+

Ikelite: Ikelite

PK Production Services: Peter Kelly | Storyteller // Adventurer // Speaker

Socials: instagram.com/PCKELLY1369

https://www.instagram.com/salt_n_silence/

DocuView Déjà Vu

Virunga, 2014, 100 mins, Watch on Netflix, IMDB Link: Virunga (2014) ⭐ 8.1 | Documentary, War

Time Codes

00:00 — Introduction: The Art of Documentary Filmmaking

01:30 — Growing Up in Mississippi: The Roots of Peter’s Storytelling

11:04 — Discovering Salt Cay: The Heartbeat of the Documentary

15:34 — Creative Decision-Making: From Writing to Filming

20:13 — Filming on a Remote Island: Gear, Environment & Resourcefulness

27:19 — Maritime Archaeology: Uncovering Hidden History

28:45 — Surprises, Setbacks & Learning Opportunities on Location

33:02 — DocuView Déjà Vu: Documentary Recommendations

Sponsor: Virgil Films http://www.virgilfilms.com/

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The conversation centers on Govenar’s powerful film Quiet Voices in a Noisy World, which examines the struggle for change in Jasper, Texas, and the long shadow of racial violence on a community searching for truth, healing, and forward movement.

Govenaris the president of Documentary Arts, a nonprofit media production company. He and Christian explore what it means to document communities with integrity—earning trust, listening deeply, and building narratives that uplifts the voices of others.

Links:

Documentary Arts: Documentary Arts, Inc. > Home

Cigarette Blues: Cigarette Blues (Short 1985) ⭐ 6.8 | Short, Documentary

Stoney Knows How: Stoney Knows How (Short 1981) ⭐ 7.8 | Documentary, Short

Truth In Photography: TRUTH IN PHOTOGRAPHY

Quiet Voices in A Noisy World: Quiet Voices in a Noisy World (2025) | Documentary , Quiet Voices in a Noisy World

DocuView Déjà Vu

“Night & Fog, 1956, 32 mins, French Short, Watch on HBO MAX, IMDB Link: Night and Fog (Short 1956) ⭐ 8.6 | Documentary, Short, History

Time Codes

00:00 — Meet Alan Govenar + why his work matters

02:49 — How Alan found documentary storytelling

05:26 — The evolution of documentary arts (film, photo, writing, music)

08:08 — Mentorship, networking, and learning the craft

10:48 — Distribution realities filmmakers don’t talk about enough

13:23 — Documentary arts as community impact

16:14 — Preserving African-American history in Texas

19:01 — Community, photography, and who gets seen

21:42 — Juneteenth, local history, and cultural memory

24:30 — Personal reflections on race and community

27:04 — Storytelling as cultural dialogue

30:11 — Upcoming projects + what’s next

34:03 — Jasper and the legacy of racial violence

40:13 — The art of documentary storytelling (craft + ethics)

41:51 — Hope and resilience as a creative engine

45:38 — The power of music in documentaries

51:06 — Community connection and cultural preservation

57:33 — DocuView Déjà Vu Recommendation

Sponsor: Virgil Films http://www.virgilfilms.com/

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Together, Christian and Susan dig into what makes a documentary last: deep research, emotional access, trust with subjects, and interviews that go beyond “good questions” to uncover the soul of a story. Lacy also reflects on being a woman leading at the highest levels of the industry, the power of mentorship, and how shifting economics—from the DVD era to today’s streaming landscape—have changed development, financing, and distribution.

If you care about documentary storytelling, PBS history, HBO documentaries, or how to direct intimate, character-driven films that preserve legacy and culture, this conversation is essential listening.

No DocuView Déjà Vu

Links:

American Masters: American Masters (TV Series 1985– ) ⭐ 8.2 | Documentary, Biography, History

Pentimento Productions: HOME

Spielberg: Spielberg (TV Movie 2017) ⭐ 7.7 | Documentary, Biography

Billy Joel: And So It Goes: Billy Joel: And So It Goes (TV Mini Series 2025) ⭐ 8.6 | Documentary, Biography, Music

Episode 256 | HBO Max "Billy Joel And So It Goes" Interview with Executive Producer, Steve Cohen - Part 1: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1v6X33Wu3IPCczl0uL4SvN?si=cc53ba405c254126

Episode 264 | Billy Joel: Telling the Story Behind the Musician (with Jessica Levin): https://open.spotify.com/episode/5GRU4wDlnYa9cmXBAo3eKz?si=1d721c5270ed4a37

Time Codes

00:00 — Welcome + Susan Lacy Intro

05:38 — Journalism roots and learning the value of truth

08:55 — Breaking into PBS (Channel 13) and the art of public television

12:06 — Launching a cultural institution: American Masters in 1986

22:08 — HBO era + Directing Debut

32:16 — Billy Joel: And So It Goes Documentary

43:00 — Interview + Story Tips

57:12 — Final thoughts, American history

Sponsor: Virgil Films http://www.virgilfilms.com/

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Nick shares how his early narrative feature Valley of Saints got into Sundance off a “cold” submission, and how he’s since used programs like Gotham Week, Film Independent’s labs, and Tribeca’s Creators Market to build meaningful relationships with programmers and industry partners. He breaks down his rough-cut screening process (including Google forms and phone-watching “tells”) and explains why being radically open to feedback is one of the most powerful tools a filmmaker has.

Christian and Nick also dive into Minted: The Rise and Fall of the NFT, exploring why that film became Netflix’s “definitive” NFT documentary—and what that reveals about marketplace demands, cultural buzz, and why some critically acclaimed films (Not Going Quietly) still don’t land on major streamers.

The conversation then turns to Nick’s latest four-part docuseries, The Price of Milk, which premiered at Tribeca. Christian shares her strong personal reaction to the series, especially its portrayal of small family dairy farmers and the government “checkoff” program that was supposed to support them. Nick unpacks the hidden story behind the “Got Milk?” campaign, how money flows from farmers to industry groups, and why transparency, policy, and political engagement matter more than simply switching what’s in your grocery cart.

Finally, Nick reveals how Oatly helped fund The Price of Milk while still allowing full editorial independence—and offers practical advice for filmmakers on working with brands, nonprofits, and mission-aligned partners to get ambitious projects made and seen. He closes with a DocuView Déjà Vu recommendation: Secret Mall Apartment, a doc that not only tells a wild story but also models what’s possible with clever, independent distribution outside traditional gatekeepers.

Links:

Minted - on Netflix & Prime Video, IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt27548035/?ref_=fn_all_ttl_1

Valley of Saints - on Prime Video, IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2088967/?ref_=fn_all_ttl_3

Catapult Film Find: Catapult Film Fund

Gotham Week: Gotham Week

TriBeca X: Tribeca X

Peoples TV: People's Television

DocuView Déjà Vu

Secret Mall Apartment, 2024, 91 mins, Watch on Prime Video, IMDB Link: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt21221386/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_8_nm_0_in_0_q_secret%2520mal

Time Codes

00:00 Introduction to Documentary Filmmaking

03:31 Navigating Film Festivals

09:50 The Importance of Feedback in Filmmaking

16:04 Getting Projects on Netflix

21:58 Understanding Market Demands in Documentary Filmmaking

27:47 Exploring 'The Price of Milk'

34:13 The Role of Government in Dairy Industry

42:05 Funding Documentaries: A New Approach

47:13 Collaborating with Brands for Storytelling

54:06 Conclusion and Recommendations

Sponsor: Virgil Films http://www.virgilfilms.com/

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Together, they explore the craft of music documentary filmmaking: how to build trust during intimate interviews, how to follow emotional truth rather than timeline, and how music itself can become the spine of a narrative. Jessica opens up about the collaborative process behind shaping the film’s nonlinear structure, as well as the responsibility that comes with telling a story about someone the world already feels like they know.

Whether you are a filmmaker, a musician, or someone whose life has ever been held by a song — this conversation is creative, heartfelt, and filled with insights about storytelling, memory, and what it means to truly listen.

Links:

American Masters: American Masters (TV Series 1985– ) - Reference view - IMDb

Billy Joel: And So It Goes: Billy Joel: And So It Goes (TV Mini Series 2025) - Reference view - IMDb

Inventing David Geffen: "American Masters" Inventing David Geffen (TV Episode 2012) - Reference view - IMDb

Joni Mitchell: A Women of Heart and Mind: "American Masters" Joni Mitchell: A Woman of Heart and Mind (TV Episode 2003) - Reference view - IMDb

The Janes: The Janes (2022) - Reference view - IMDb

DocuView Déjà Vu

The Andy Warhol Diaries, 2022, Limited Series with 6 episodes, watch on Netflix, IMDB Link: The Andy Warhol Diaries (TV Mini Series 2022) - Reference view - IMDb

Time Codes

00:00 — Opening Reflections

02:54 — Early Relationships and Artistic Roots

05:31 — Balancing Myth and Humanity

08:19 — Creating Space for Vulnerability in Interviews

11:06 — Collaboration as Creative Strength

13:50 — Following Emotional Truth, Not Just Timeline

16:38 — How Personal Relationships Shape Art

19:15 — Challenges of Documenting a Cultural Icon

22:03 — Crafting a Nonlinear Story Structure

24:55 — The Reality of Producing a Major Music Documentary

27:42 — Audience Reaction and Cultural Memory

30:14 — Tracking Billy Joel’s Musical Influences

33:02 — What Makes His Music Resonant

36:46 — Lyrics as Self-Understanding

40:06 — Love, Loss, and the Songs Between

42:49 — Building Trust On and Off Camera

47:34 — Leadership in Storytelling

51:26 — Scoring the Emotional Arc

56:01 — Why Structure Matters

58:59 — Personal Growth Through Filmmaking

1:02:01 — Final Thoughts & Recommendations

Sponsor: Virgil Films http://www.virgilfilms.com/

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UnScarred explores how survivors of trauma and illness—those living with scars from breast cancer, self-harm, and other life-altering experiences—reclaim their bodies and identities through the art of tattooing. Elise and Stacie share powerful personal stories of healing and transformation, and share what it takes to fund and finish an independent documentary in today’s filmmaking landscape.

Together, they unpack the real-world lessons behind UnScarred’s ongoing Kickstarter campaign. Stacie Rae also shares her journey from mastectomy to artistry—and how she’s now offering a personal tattoo session perk as part of one of the Kickstarter rewards to help bring this story to life.

This episode is not only an inspiring look at art, trauma, and recovery—it’s a practical, candid conversation every documentary filmmaker should hear.

Links:

Kickstarter:

UNSCARRED - Documentary Film

D-Word: The D-Word: the worldwide community of documentary professionals

Bri Castellini : Bri Castellini

Stacie-Rae: Home | Stacie-Rae | Calgary, AB

No DocuView Déjà Vu

Timecodes:

00:00 — Welcome & Introduction to UnScarred

05:15 — The Origins of the Film: Inspiration During the Pandemic

10:27 — The Power of Tattoos in Healing and Identity

17:42 — Introducing Stacie Rae Weir: Artist, Survivor, and Healer

24:52 — From Mastectomy to Masterpiece: Stacie Rae’s Journey

29:51 — Tattoos as Therapy: The Collaboration Between Artist and Survivor

33:10 — The Art of Crowdfunding: Lessons for Independent Filmmakers

35:04 — Behind the Scenes of UnScarred’s Kickstarter Campaign

39:26 — The Pros and Cons of Crowdfunding for Filmmakers

44:48 — Building Community Support for Independent Films

46:33 — Transformation Through Art & What’s Next for UnScarred

Sponsor: Virgil Films http://www.virgilfilms.com/

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The conversation dives into Parks’ multifaceted talent, his artistic integrity, and the lessons learned from a career defined by both triumph and adversity. Together, we explore how passion fuels storytelling, the power of documentaries to preserve legacies, and the importance of resilience in the face of obstacles.

This episode is not just about one film—it’s about what it takes to make art that matters.

Links:

Josh Roush Narrative Film - IMDB Link: Wrong Reasons (2022) - Reference view - IMDb

DocuView Déjà Vu Recommendation:

Burden of Dreams by Werner Herzog, 1982, 95 mins, Watch on Amazon Prime, IMDB Link: Burden of Dreams (1982) - Reference view - IMDb

Timecodes:

00:00 Final Thoughts and Future Endeavors

09:25 Navigating Challenges in Filmmaking

10:20 The Influence of Michael Parks

11:31 Building a Unique Relationship

13:47 The Value of Listening to Elders

14:26 Uncovering Stories from the Past

16:40 The Genesis of a Documentary Idea

18:02 Family Dynamics in Storytelling

18:54 The Kevin Smith Connection

20:58 The Role of Fair Use in Documentary Filmmaking

25:46 The Use of Music and Soundtrack

28:02 Budgeting and Financial Realities of Filmmaking

29:29 Personal Reflections on Filmmaking

34:45 Lessons from Michael Parks' Life

41:02 Legacy and Impact of Michael

42:12 Documentary Recommendations and Insights

43:33 Teaser Video

44:18 Documentary First promo

Sponsor: Virgil Films http://www.virgilfilms.com/

Support us by buying merch or watching our films: https://documentaryfirst.com/

Together, they explore how veterans continue to impact younger generations, the role of gratitude in storytelling, and how filmmaking shapes not just the audience but the filmmakers themselves. From moments of humor and surprise to deeply emotional encounters with history, this episode captures the resilience, growth, and transformative power of telling true stories.

Sponsor: Virgil Films http://www.virgilfilms.com/

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He explains the mystery of WWII “invasion money,” shares how he first met Christian Taylor—sparking the journey that became The Girl Who Wore Freedom—and reads an unforgettable letter of gratitude written by French citizen Elizabeth Gosso for the 50th anniversary of Metz’s liberation.

This conversation captures Ceo’s humor, candor, and resilience, while reminding us why keeping these stories alive matters.

👉 Part 1 of this unforgettable conversation with Ceo is available on streaming platforms.

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Timecodes:

00:00 – Reflections on forgiveness and fellow soldiers

03:00 – Returning to Metz and finding Steele’s grave

06:00 – Receiving the Purple Heart after being wounded

10:00 – Transport, hospitals, and survival memories

15:00 – WWII “invasion money” explained

19:00 – How Christian and Ceo first met & The Girl Who Wore Freedom

34:00 – Ceo reads Elizabeth Gosso’s powerful French gratitude letter

42:00 – Passing on memory to the next generation

50:00 – Reflections on peace, Israel, and supporting allies

Rob begins by asking Ceo about Saving Private Ryan: what he thought of its accuracy, whether it stirred memories, and how Hollywood compares to the realities of war. From there, Ceo opens up about his experiences in Normandy in 1944, his injury at Metz, and the reasons many veterans choose not to share their stories.

For one of the first times, Ceo speaks candidly about what it was like landing at Omaha Beach 100 days after D-Day, the sign that moved him to tears, and the symbolic “pump handle dance” he’s performed across the world. His reflections are raw, sometimes emotional, and always full of wisdom.

This episode also captures something unique: guests in the room listening in—reminding us that these conversations are not just about history, but about keeping memory alive for future generations.

👉 Tune in for Part 1 of this unforgettable conversation, and stay tuned for Part 2 where Ceo continues sharing stories of bravery, loss, and survival.

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From detailed behind-the-scenes tales to touching insights on military brotherhood and trauma bonding, this episode brings it all.

We explore how Corey's experiences on set—like working with dummies, blood bags, and Tom Hanks—compare to the real horrors of war. Plus, Christian shares her reflections on the connection between veterans’ war experiences and the power of storytelling in her documentary The Girl Who Wore Freedom.

As the conversation shifts to film scores, we jump into Maestro Mondays to share our top 5 John Williams movie scores, dissecting what makes his compositions iconic and unforgettable.

Key Takeaways:

•Corey shares how he worked with Tom Hanks on Saving Private Ryan, revealing behind-the-scenes moments that most viewers don’t know, such as the use of dummies and blood bags in the intense D-Day sequence.

•Christian and Corey dive into the concept of trauma bonding, drawing parallels between military camaraderie and the deep connections shared by actors on set.

•A fascinating discussion on the therapeutic impact of storytelling, both for veterans and filmmakers, and how film scores can evoke deep emotions tied to historical moments.

•In the Maestro Mondays segment, we break down our top 5 John Williams scores, exploring the enduring power of his music to transport audiences into the heart of a story.

Additional Information:

•The Girl Who Wore Freedom is available for viewing in the U.S. on platforms like Amazon, Apple TV, and Vudu. Check out the trailer and learn more at thegirlwhoworefreedom.com.

•Be sure to listen to Part 3 of this conversation as we continue our analysis of Saving Private Ryan and dive deeper into more movie magic and historical stories.

DocuView Déjà Vu:

1. The Kid Stays In The Picture, 2002, 93 mins, Watch on Amazon Prime, IMDB Link:The Kid Stays in the Picture (2002) ⭐ 7.3 | Documentary, Biography
2. Sinatra: All or Nothing at All, 2015, TV Mini Series, Watch on Netflix, IMDS Link: Sinatra: All or Nothing at All (TV Mini Series 2015) ⭐ 8.0 | Documentary, Biography, Music
3. David Foster: Off the Record, 2019, 106 mins, IMDB Link: David Foster: Off the Record (2019) ⭐ 7.0 | Documentary
4. Leonard Bernstein Reaching for the Note, 1998, 117 mins, IMDB Link: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0199708/

Chapters:

00:00 The Art of Storytelling Through Music

01:39 Steve Cohen: A Journey Through Lighting and Music

14:49 Expanding Horizons: From Lighting to Documentary Filmmaking

20:45 The Journey of Connection

22:51 The Essence of Struggle and Growth

26:00 Respecting the Audience

28:47 The Collaborative Spirit of Filmmaking

32:41 Reflections on Life and Relationships

34:53 The Legacy of Billy Joel

38:51 The Power of Documentary Storytelling

44:32 DocuView Déjà Vu Segment

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Steve Cohen, the executive producer, shares his journey from lighting stages to producing emotional documentaries, emphasizing the collaborative effort that brings these stories to life.

Steve reflects on:

1. Meeting Billy Joel in 1974 and forging a lifelong creative partnership
2. The soul of Billy Joel’s songwriting: honesty, heartbreak, and healing
3. How Susan Lacy’s empathetic direction helped uncover hidden emotional truths
4. What it means to tell someone else's story with care, depth, and dignity
5. The healing power of revisiting past relationships through art

For listeners who’ve ever found themselves in a song—or wanted to understand the quiet brilliance behind a musical legend—this episode is a masterclass in the art of documentary storytelling and a heartfelt tribute to legacy, resilience, and human connection.

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Chapters:

00:00 Introduction and Emotional Connection

04:04 The Journey Begins: Meeting Billy Joel

08:03 The Documentary: A Deep Dive into Billy Joel's Life

11:57 The Collaborative Process of Filmmaking

15:52 The Role of Relationships in Billy Joel's Music

20:03 Reflections on Billy Joel's Legacy and Impact

30:45 The Emotional Connection of Music

36:00 Creating Comfort in Documentary Filmmaking

39:41 The Art of Storytelling Through Music

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Watch the hit show "Little Siberia" on Netflix!

Discover Panu Aaltio's work: https://www.panuaaltio.com/

Key Takeaways:

1. Panu Aaltio’s musical journey began with the cello at age six and evolved into a passion for film scoring.
2. Film scoring started as a hobby for Panu before it became his professional career.
3. Panu’s education in music technology and film scoring helped shape his approach to composing.
4. The emotional impact of music in film is crucial, and understanding the narrative is key to crafting effective scores.
5. Collaboration with directors is essential in understanding their vision and creating a score that complements the film.
6. Panu shares the importance of experimentation in music composition to create unique soundscapes.
7. Documentaries have played a significant role in Panu’s career, offering insight into the unique scoring techniques needed for this genre.
8. Music can act as a character in a film, adding depth and enhancing storytelling.
9. Panu reflects on his experiences with Netflix and shares advice for aspiring composers looking to make their mark in the film industry.

Sound Bites:

1. "I started playing the cello at six."
2. "I got really, really into film music."
3. "Music carries the emotion of the scene."
4. "You cannot micromanage everything."
5. "What do you want to achieve?"
6. "You need to be very careful with the music."

Chapters:

00:00 Introduction to Film Scoring

05:35 Panu's Musical Journey

12:16 From Hobby to Profession

20:13 Navigating Directorial Styles

25:30 The Language of Music in Film

26:24 Understanding Emotional Impact through Score

28:48 Creating Unique Soundscapes for Film

30:41 The Role of Music as a Character

32:13 Experimentation in Composition

35:34 The Importance of Early Composition

41:12 Navigating the Netflix Experience

42:26 The Significance of Documentaries in Career

43:09 DocuView Déjà Vu

44:18 Advice for Aspiring Composers

45:17 Influential Scores and Future Projects

In Part 1, Corey shares his story of landing a part in Saving Private Ryan, working with Hollywood legends, and experiencing the chaotic D-Day scenes firsthand. Christian also opens up about her documentary filmmaking journey, especially with The Girl Who Wore Freedom, and how her conversations with veterans have shaped her understanding of gratitude, storytelling, and the healing power of sharing war stories. The episode takes some fun tangents as they explore the impact of WWII films on veterans and their families and dive deep into the culture of storytelling as a tool for healing.

Timestamps:

1. 00:35 - Christian introduces the episode w/ special co-host, Rob of MovieRob Minute.
2. 04:00 - Rob introduces the episode and welcomes Christian Taylor and Corey Johnson.
3. 05:12 - Corey Johnson’s surprising role in Saving Private Ryan is revealed.
4. 07:20 - A fun backstory on how Rob connected with Christian and Corey through Hollywood veterans and mutual friends.
5. 13:02 - Discussion about how military veterans sometimes find it hard to share their stories, including insights from Christian’s work on The Girl Who Wore Freedom.
6. 20:08 - Corey shares his views on WWII and the importance of telling veterans’ stories.
7. 26:04 - How Saving Private Ryan impacted veterans and helped them open up about their war experiences.
8. 29:02 - Corey talks about how he got his role in Saving Private Ryan and the luck involved in landing the part.
9. 39:41 - Behind-the-scenes of Saving Private Ryan filming, including the gritty realism of the D-Day scenes.
10. 44:56 - The filmmaking genius of Steven Spielberg and how his directorial decisions made the film stand out.
11. 47:50 - A final reflection on the lasting impact of WWII films like Saving Private Ryan and The Girl Who Wore Freedom on veterans and audiences.

Key Takeaways:

1. Corey Johnson shares the story of how a small part in Saving Private Ryan became a milestone in his career, thanks to sheer luck, perseverance, and talent.
2. The importance of WWII films in shaping cultural perceptions of war and heroism, and how they help veterans open up about their experiences.
3. Christian Taylor discusses how her documentary The Girl Who Wore Freedom offers a unique perspective on D-Day from the French civilian's point of view.
4. How Steven Spielberg's filmmaking techniques captured the chaos and intensity of war, making Saving Private Ryan an unforgettable experience for both actors and audiences.

Additional Information:

1. You can learn more about Christian Taylor's documentary The Girl Who Wore Freedom at thegirlwhoworefreedom.com.
2. Part 2 of this conversation will dive deeper into Corey Johnson's filming experiences and his perspective on working with Hollywood legends.

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He opens up about the unsung elements of filmmaking—trust, collaboration, and vulnerability—that make or break a performance. Aspiring actors and directors will walk away with actionable advice on how to thrive in the competitive world of film, with tips on navigating the business side of acting, adapting to new mediums, and mastering the art of collaboration.

Tune in as Corey and host Christian Taylor dive deep into the nuances of acting, the power of vulnerability, and the essential role directors play in shaping unforgettable performances. Whether you’re a theater lover or a film buff, this conversation is packed with valuable lessons for anyone passionate about storytelling, the craft of acting, and the film industry’s fast-paced world.

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Corey Johnson:

1. Strangest Things Series, 2 Seasons 2021-2022, Watch on MAX and Prime IMDB Link: Strangest Things (TV Series 2021–2022) ⭐ 7.0 | Documentary
2. Tiananmen Square, 2019 - This documentary was done by Corey’s father and is no longer available.

00:00 Introduction and Early Career

02:52 Lessons from Working with Anthony Hopkins

05:56 The Changing Landscape of Acting

09:00 The Nature of Trust in Acting

12:03 Advice for Aspiring Actors and Directors

14:56 The Differences Between Theater and Film

17:58 The Importance of Collaboration in Directing

20:58 Experiences with Renowned Actors

24:03 Reflections on Genius in the Arts

30:20 The Mystery of Film Production

31:52 The Business of Acting

33:44 The Craft of Acting

36:44 Learning Through Experience

40:36 The Role of Self-Critique

43:40 Acting as Reacting

48:11 Vulnerability in Performance

49:59 DocuView Déjà Vu Segment

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In this lively interview, Corey reflects on his path from the stages of Catholic University to the sets of Hollywood. He shares behind-the-scenes stories from his supporting roles in major movies and discusses how he became the voice behind numerous documentaries, highlighting the power of storytelling in film and narration. Corey gives an inside look at his recent role in the docudrama September 5 – a gripping recount of the 1972 Munich Olympics hostage crisis – and explains what it was like to bring such a pivotal historical event to life through a storyteller’s lens.

Corey also opens up about his personal influences, including insights about his father’s legacy in journalism and how it instilled in him a deep appreciation for truth and narrative. He speaks about the unpredictable nature of creative careers, sharing hard-earned wisdom on resilience, adaptability, and passion for aspiring actors and artists. From navigating the highs and lows of show business to continually honing his craft, Corey’s stories offer both inspiration and practical advice for anyone pursuing a career in the arts.

But it’s not all about acting and film – we also get to hear about Corey’s hobbies and future projects. In a fun twist, he chats about his love of golf and how this off-screen passion is leading him to start a podcast of his own about the sport. It’s a reminder that a creative life can have many chapters, and that exploring personal interests can open up new avenues in storytelling.

Tune in for a conversational and engaging interview that delves into acting, documentary filmmaking, narration, and the creative process. Whether you’re an aspiring actor, a documentary fan, or just someone who loves a good behind-the-scenes Hollywood story, Corey Johnson’s journey – from college theater to Hollywood and beyond – will leave you inspired and eager to follow your own creative passions.

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Christian's Recommendation:

1. Septemeber 5, 2024, 95 minutes, watch on MGM Channel, Paramount + or Prime, IMDB Link:
2. September 5 (2024) - IMDb

Corey’s Recommendation:

1. Strangest Things Series, 2021-2022, 2 Seasons, Watch on MAX or Prime, IMDB Link:
2. Strangest Things (TV Series 2021–2022) - IMDb

Timecodes

00:00 Introduction to Documentary Filmmaking

02:00 Corey Johnson's Acting Journey

05:40 Behind the Scenes of September 5

08:35 Recollections of College Theater

11:30 The Evolution of Catholic University's Theater Program

16:01 The Influence of Family in Documentary Filmmaking

21:55 The Legacy of CJ's Father in Journalism

23:17 The Legacy of Local Journalism

24:52 The Journey to Acting

30:30 Discovering the Actor Within

35:26 Navigating the Early Career

43:00 DocuView Déjà Vu Segment

47:00 The Passion for Golf and Podcasting

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We tackle tough questions around celebrity privacy and image rights — how much control can an actor really have over their image and personal information once a story goes public? We also examine how the Me Too movement has changed the film industry, and what it takes to create a truly safe workplace environment in filmmaking today.

Anne breaks down the concept of retaliation in plain language, exploring whether smear campaigns like the one Lively alleges can be considered illegal retaliation under entertainment law. She highlights what legal protections exist for those who speak up against misconduct, and where gaps still need to be filled. From the role of intimacy coordinators on set to new laws designed to protect whistleblowers, we cover it all in a clear, down-to-earth way.

Beyond this case, Anne’s perspective — shaped by years of advising both major studios and independent filmmakers — adds nuance to every insight. She even shares a peek at her own upcoming creative nonfiction book project, revealing her passion for storytelling beyond the courtroom. It’s a candid, eye-opening discussion that’s equal parts Hollywood drama and practical advice on building safer, more respectful film sets. Tune in to learn how Hollywood is changing and what it means for anyone who wants a safer, more equitable filmmaking world.

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Timecodes

00:00 Introduction to the Blake Lively Case

03:12 Understanding the Legal Context

06:04 The Background of the Case

09:10 Claims of Sexual Harassment

12:04 Retaliation and Public Perception

14:52 Legal Implications for Filmmakers

17:59 Creating a Safe Set Environment

21:04 Navigating Power Dynamics on Set

23:55 Preventative Measures in Filmmaking

26:50 The Aftermath and Public Image Rights

32:39 Legal Standards for Public Figures

34:12 Image Rights and Public Figures

36:32 The Importance of Image Rights

40:42 Lessons from Blake Lively's Case

42:27 Current Status of Legal Proceedings

45:26 The Importance of Behavior in Legal Matters

46:13 Understanding Your Rights in Media

48:08 Anne's New Documentary Project

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In this candid, high-octane conversation, Greg dives into the gritty realities of stunt work—the epic risks, hilarious mishaps, and relentless hustle that shape a career in film. He reveals how networking, preparation, and a dash of bold risk-taking have propelled him from theater stages to the big screen. Whether you’re dreaming of your own Hollywood breakthrough or just curious about what really goes on behind the camera, this interview packs plenty of inspiration, practical advice, and jaw-dropping tales from the stunt world.

Tune in for a deep dive into the adrenaline-fueled world of stunts where every fall is a step toward success!

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Mountain Queen: The Summits of Lhakpa Sherpa, 2023, 95 mins, Watch on Netflix, IMDB Link:

Mountain Queen: The Summits of Lhakpa Sherpa (2023) ⭐ 7.6 | Documentary

Timecodes

00:00 Introduction to Documentary Filmmaking and Guest Introduction

02:59 The Life of a Stuntman: Behind the Scenes

06:05 The Journey to Acting: From Law School to Hollywood

09:02 Theater and Acting: Building a Foundation

12:02 The Struggles of an Actor: Finding a Footing in LA

15:06 Networking and Community in the Film Industry

17:59 The Breakthrough: Becoming a Stunt Performer

20:51 Transitioning from Stunts to Acting

23:55 The Hustle: Balancing Jobs and Passion

27:09 Preparing for the Role: Doubling for Ben Stiller

27:43 The Journey Begins: From Awareness to Opportunity

30:09 Seizing the Moment: The Importance of Preparation

32:52 The Humbling Experience of Stunt Work

35:44 The Duality of Stunt Work: Gift and Challenge

39:09 Behind the Scenes: The Reality of Stunt Work

42:34 Directing: Bringing Vision to Life

46:55 Documentary Insights: Learning from Experience

48:25 DocuView Déjà Vu

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From navigating contracts and rights management to understanding the importance of forming an LLC, Anne shares why filmmakers should consider legal professionals as early partners in their projects. Anne also explains key legal concepts like indemnity and how they protect filmmakers, while discussing the emotional side of working with lawyers.

With a focus on practical tips for indie filmmakers, Anne and Christian highlight how good legal groundwork can smooth the entire production process, ensuring that your creative vision stays protected. Plus, they share some must-see documentaries that perfectly capture the intersection of law and storytelling.

She is currently working on a creative non-fiction, coming-of-age book about a young woman from California moving to Saudi Arabia in the early 1980s.

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1. JOAN DIDION: The Center Will Not Hold, 2017, 94mins, Watch on Netflix, IMDB Link:
2. Joan Didion: The Center Will Not Hold (2017) - IMDb
3. Katherine Hepburn, 2019, 94 mins, Watch on Netflix, IMDB Link:
4. Katharine Hepburn (2019) - IMDb
5. The Jinx: The Life and Deaths of Robert Durst, 2024, Watch on HBO MAX, Series (2 seasons, 12 episodes), IMDB Link:
6. The Jinx: The Life and Deaths of Robert Durst (TV Series 2015–2024) - IMDb

Timecodes

00:00 Introduction to Documentary First

07:02 Understanding Entertainment Law

20:22 The Importance of Legal Agreements

28:06 Budgeting for Legal Services

34:19 Understanding Indemnity and Its Implications

45:12 Finding the Right Legal Representation

51:20 Documentary Recommendations and Insights

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Join host Christian Taylor and visionary documentary filmmaker Eric Gardner as they unpack the making of Confessions of a CEO: My Life in an Out of Balance World—the riveting true story of Tom Gegax. In this heartfelt conversation, Eric shares his personal journey from his early days in reality TV and film school to navigating the ethical and creative challenges of modern documentary filmmaking.

Eric opens up about the difficulties of tackling controversial topics and the lengths he goes to maintain factual integrity. He offers candid insights into innovative techniques like AI-enhanced voiceovers and the delicate art of reenactments that bring his stories to life. With a nod to the groundbreaking impact of films like Super Size Me, he also reveals how his experiences—both triumphant and challenging—have shaped his unique perspective on storytelling.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone passionate about documentaries, film production, or simply eager to discover how raw, honest storytelling can change the way we see the world. Whether you’re an aspiring filmmaker or a dedicated fan of transformative cinema, prepare to be inspired by a conversation that blends creative passion with real-world insights and a genuine love for the art of filmmaking.

Go to confessionsofaceomovie.com for more information including how to watch the documentary.

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Eric Gardner:

Three Identical Strangers, 2018, 96 mins, Watch on Tubi or Amazon/Prime, IMDB Link: Three Identical Strangers (2018) - IMDb

Timecodes

00:00 Introduction to Documentary Filmmaking 03:28 Eric Gardner's Background and Film Overview 05:45 Navigating Controversial Subjects in Documentary 10:11 The Role of Distributors in Documentary Success 18:43 Gardner's Career First Steps 26:00 Editing Battle Stories 33:00 "Confessions of a CEO" 41:00 Challenges To Find Entertainment 44:50 Reenactment Critiques 56:47 Docuview Déjà Vu Segment

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The conversation delves into Liz Carpenter’s lasting impact, the personal and professional journeys of the filmmakers, and the challenges they faced bringing this story to life. Abby and Christy share insights into the intricacies of documentary filmmaking, including the complexities of budgeting, the importance of securing archival rights, and the often-overlooked role of an archival producer. They also discuss how music licensing can be one of the most challenging aspects of post-production.

Beyond the technical aspects, the discussion highlights the power of storytelling in shaping historical narratives and inspiring future generations. The episode concludes with documentary recommendations that offer valuable perspectives on women’s history and social change.

NOW available for free to watch anywhere on PBS! In the spirit of this release being the month of March and Women's History Month, a number of public television stations will be broadcasting Shaking It Up: The Life and Times of Liz Carpenter. In-person screenings will also be held in Texas and Tennessee. Go to https://lizcarpenterfilm.com/ to find local listings and events.

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Abby Ginzberg:

A Double Life, 2023, 84 mins, Watch on Amazon, Google Play and YouTube Movies, IMDB Link: A Double Life (2023) - IMDb

Timecodes

00:00 Introduction to the Documentary and Its Context 02:06 The Journey of Christy Carpenter 03:38 Abby Ginzberg's Documentary Experience 05:30 Liz Carpenter: A Trailblazer in Journalism 09:43 Liz Carpenter's Impact on Women's Rights 10:13 The Structure of the Documentary 12:09 Access and Interviews: Elevating the Story 14:44 Relationships in the Johnson White House 16:34 Balancing Personal and Political Narratives 19:47 The Feminist Legacy of Liz Carpenter 25:44 Distribution and Airing of the Documentary 30:00 Docuview Déjà Vu Segment

They discuss the importance of storytelling, the challenges of fundraising, and the impact of Liz's life on their own careers. In this conversation, Ginzberg and Carpenter discuss the intricacies of documentary filmmaking, focusing on budgeting, the importance of archival rights, and the challenges of music licensing. They share insights on the critical roles of archival producers and the extensive research required to gather materials.

NOW available for free to watch anywhere on PBS! In the spirit of this release being the month of March and Women's History Month, a number of public television stations will be broadcasting Shaking It Up: The Life and Times of Liz Carpenter. In-person screenings will also be held in Texas and Tennessee. Go to https://lizcarpenterfilm.com/ to find local listings and events.

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1. Speaking Truth to Power, 2020/2021, 82 mins, Watch on Prime, IMDB Link: Truth to Power (2020) - IMDb
2. American Experience: The Vote PT#1 & PT#2 , 2020, 120 mins each, watch on PBS, Paramount +, Prime/Amazon, IMDB Links: PT#1 "American Experience" The Vote, Part 1 (TV Episode 2020) - IMDb , PT#2 "American Experience" The Vote, Part 2 (TV Episode 2020) - IMDb
3. Porcelain War, 2024, 87 mins, Yet to be released for public viewing, IMDB Link: Porcelain War (2024) - IMDb

Timecodes

00:00 Introduction to Documentary Filmmaking and Liz Carpenter 03:10 The Life and Legacy of Liz Carpenter 06:04 Abby Ginsberg's Journey into Documentary Filmmaking 09:10 The Importance of Storytelling in Documentaries 11:59 Collaboration Between Abby and Christy 15:00 Christy Carpenter's Background and Career 17:58 The Process of Creating the Documentary 21:11 Fundraising and Support for the Film 28:12 Funding and Budgeting for Documentaries 30:31 The Cost of Archival Rights 32:46 The Role of Archival Producers 36:27 Navigating Music Rights and Licensing 39:24 Archival Sources and Research 40:29 Crafting the Narrative: Storytelling in Documentaries 41:56 Docuview Déjà Vu Segment

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They explore the critical role of archival producers, the complexities of rights and clearances, and the evolving landscape of documentary filmmaking in response to current events. Teddy also discusses the devastating impact of the Palisades Fire on LA’s film industry, the broader challenges of the pandemic and strikes, and why documentaries are on the rise. Plus, he introduces 3PSync and Arcworks—two groundbreaking AI-driven tools designed to revolutionize archival management and streamline the filmmaking process.

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Netflix vs. The World, 2019, 104 mins, Watch on Netflix and various streamers including Prime, IMDB Link: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8407418/reference/

Kiss The Future, 2023, 103 mins, Watch on Paramount +, IMDB Link: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt17022868/reference/

Movie: Bank of Dave, 2023, 107 mins, Watch on Netflix or Prime, IMDB Link: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14308636/reference/

Timecodes

00:00 Introduction to Documentary Filmmaking

02:19 Teddy Cannon's Background and Experience

08:38 The Journey from Politics to Filmmaking

10:55 The Evolution of Teddy's Career in Media

15:31 The Role of Archival Producers in Documentaries

23:48 Challenges in Archival Rights and Clearances

25:40 The Impact of the Palisades Fire

29:57 The State of the Film Industry Post-Fire

34:57 Navigating Industry Changes and Challenges

41:07 The Role of AI in Documentary Production

45:50 Introducing Arcworks: A New Solution for Archival Management 52:04 Docu-View DejaVu Segment

Together, they explore the significance of Fannie Lou Hamer’s legacy, the challenges of tackling difficult histories, and the bravery required to address controversial topics. Robin reflects on how storytelling can be a tool for healing, resistance, and change—especially in today’s turbulent socio-political climate. Whether you’re a filmmaker, history enthusiast, or just love compelling stories, this episode is packed with inspiration, insight, and motivation to tell stories that truly matter.

Robin's Recommended books:

“Memoir of a Race Traitor” by Mab Segrest. Link: Memoir of a Race Traitor | The New Press

“This Little Light of Mine: the Life of Fannie Lou Hamer” by Kay Mills. Link: https://library.si.edu/donate/adopt-a-book/little-light-mine

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Robin:

"Odessa’s Reign", 2021, Short Film, 22 mins, Watch trailer on  Around Robin Production Company IMDB Link: Odessa's Reign (2021) - IMDb

“13th” , 2016, 100mins, Watch on Netflix, IMDB Link: 13th (2016) - IMDb

Timecodes:

⏳ 01:00 – Introduction to Documentary Filmmaking & Current Events

🎥 03:58 – Meet Robin Hamilton: A Filmmaker’s Journey

📖 06:48 – The Impact of Fannie Lou Hamer’s Story

📰 10:10 – From Journalism to Documentary: A Bold Leap

🎬 13:00 – The Evolution of a Filmmaker’s Style

🛤 15:58 – Tackling Difficult Histories Through Film

🗣 19:03 – The Power of Storytelling in Today’s World

🔎 21:15 – Historical Rhetoric & Its Modern Echoes

💡 23:11 – The Bravery Needed in Storytelling & Journalism

🚧 25:26 – Facing Resistance & Pushing Forward

✊ 27:22 – Drawing Inspiration from Civil Rights Leaders

🔥 29:49 – Why Controversial Stories Must Be Told

⚖️ 31:31 – Understanding the Lasting Impacts of Historical Injustices

💬 33:28 – Conversations That Lead to Healing & Change

👁 35:38 – Acknowledging Personal Bias & Responsibility

🎞 38:04 – DocuView Déjà Vu & Closing Thoughts

Listeners will gain insights into the unparalleled challenges of filming on Everest, from navigating deadly icefalls to keeping gear functional in subzero conditions. Alex discusses the creative and technical feats behind producing a 2D film and an immersive VR experience, all while spotlighting the vibrant culture of Nepal and the Sherpa people. He also delves into the decade-long preparation for the climb, the massive editing process, and his strategic approach to budgeting and distribution. This conversation is packed with lessons for filmmakers and adventurers alike.

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01:00 Introduction to Alex Harz and His Journey 07:44 Transitioning from Film to Mountaineering 13:32 Finding a Greater Purpose 19:22 Challenges of Filming on Everest 26:29 The Technical Aspects of Filming 34:20 Budgeting the Everest Expedition 40:20 DOCU-VIEW DEJAVU SEGMENT

Highlights include the D-Day commemoration, expanding audience engagement through social media, and signing a new distribution deal to bring their film into schools. Through teamwork, persistence, and creative problem-solving, the team achieved new milestones while staying true to their storytelling mission.

Takeaways

• 2024 was an incredible year for the team.

• Balancing compelling stories with smart business strategies is essential.

• Knowing your audience drives both engagement and monetization.

• Social media experiments revealed what resonates most.

• Strategic outreach made theatrical releases possible.

• Merchandise and events connect audiences to the film’s message.

• Collaboration and self-education helped overcome challenges.

• Community-building efforts created lasting impact.

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00:00 Introduction 02:19 Reflecting on a Successful Year 11:13 Innovative Strategies for Theatrical Release 20:13 Outreach and Engagement Strategies 24:49 D-Day Commemoration and Veteran Experiences 29:07 Building Community Through Content 33:18 Merchandising and Event Engagement 36:54 Reflections on a Year of Achievements

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Logistics of pricing for screenings, the role of merchandising, and the long-term commitment required to see a documentary through is also discussed.

Takeaways

• Event screenings are crucial for audience engagement and fundraising.

• Building relationships with viewers enhances the documentary experience.

• Merchandising can significantly improve audience interaction.

• Independent filmmakers face unique financial challenges.

• Pricing for screenings should reflect the audience's ability to pay.

• Creating a unique experience at screenings is essential.

• Patience is key in the documentary filmmaking process.

• Understanding your audience is vital for success.

• Every event is an opportunity to share stories and build connections.

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00:00 Introduction to Documentary First 02:53 The Journey of 'The Girl Who Wore Freedom' 11:08 Challenges and Strategies in Documentary Filmmaking 18:14 The Importance of Screenings and Audience Engagement 25:22 Merchandising as a New Revenue Stream 30:47 Expanding the Documentary Brand 31:12 Archival Footage and Storytelling 32:36 The Battlefield Cross: A Symbol of Sacrifice 35:27 Creating Meaningful Merchandise 39:15 Understanding Audience Preferences 41:04 Investing in Documentary Filmmaking 43:55 The Importance of Event Work 49:55 Finding Your Audience 52:13 Patience in Building a Brand 53:25 DocuView Déjà Vu

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JAKE: Documentary: Secrets & Spies: A Nuclear Game, 2024, Watch on HBO MAX, 4 Episode Series, IMDB Link: Secrets & Spies: A Nuclear Game (TV Series 2024– ) ⭐ 7.3 | Documentary

Narrative: The Iron Claw, 2023, 132 mins, Watch on MAX or Prime, IMDB Link: The Iron Claw (2023) ⭐ 7.6 | Biography, Drama, Sport

Christian: Documentary: Mr McMahon, 2024, 6 Episode Series on Netflix, IMDB Link: Mr. McMahon (TV Series 2024) ⭐ 7.7 | Documentary, Biography, Crime

Narrative: A Family Affair, 2024, 111 mins, Watch on Netflix, IMDB Link: A Family Affair (2024) ⭐ 5.3 | Comedy, Drama, Romance

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From the importance of curiosity and expert insights to the immersive experience of researching in Italy, Sarah and David share a fascinating look at what it takes to honor Leonardo’s legacy. They also dive into the role of voice, music, and visuals in creating an engaging documentary and share exclusive details about accessing and interpreting da Vinci’s masterpieces.

Takeaways

• Curiosity as a Driving Force: Leonardo’s endless curiosity inspired both the filmmakers and their storytelling approach.

• Unique Challenges: Limited visual material called for creative methods to portray Leonardo’s genius.

• Innovative Techniques: The filmmakers used unique storytelling techniques to convey Leonardo's many talents.

• Expert Perspectives: A diverse cast of experts enriches the film’s exploration of Leonardo’s impact.

• Immersive Research: Living in Italy allowed the filmmakers to deeply connect with Leonardo’s world.

• Voice & Music: Carefully chosen voiceovers and a powerful score bring emotional depth to Leonardo’s story.

• Access to Originals: Viewing Leonardo’s original works was pivotal to the film’s authenticity.

• Inspiration for Viewers: The documentary celebrates Leonardo’s legacy, inspiring audiences to appreciate his contributions to art and science.

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SARAH: When we Were Kings, 1996, 88mins, Watch on MAX, IMDB Link: When We Were Kings (1996) ⭐ 7.9 | Documentary, Sport

DAVID: How to Survive a Plague, 2012, 110 mins, Watch on AMC+ Channels (Prime), IMDB Link: How to Survive a Plague (2012) ⭐ 7.6 | Documentary, History, News

Timecodes:

00:00 Introduction to the Filmmakers 07:39 Exploring Leonardo da Vinci's Mind 17:01 Challenges and Innovations in Filmmaking 26:55 The Role of Experts and Perspectives 37:24 Living in Italy: Immersion in Leonardo's World 46:06 The Power of Voice and Music in Storytelling 52:52 Accessing Leonardo's Works and Legacy 56:14 DocuView Déjà Vu

From the importance of storytelling and the challenges of balancing creativity with business, to the dynamics of trust, family, and fame, this conversation dives deep into the art and heart of filmmaking. Matt discusses the importance of timing in the music and film industry, lessons learned in navigating contracts and distribution, and the unique support system that has guided Walker and his family. Join us for an inspiring look at the power of family, resilience, and passion in pursuing creative dreams.

Links: Trailer for Walker Hayes documentary: https://vimeo.com/996694150/364f20c291?share=copy

Matt’s DocuView Déjà Vu:

Still: A Michael J Fox Movie, 2023, 95 mins, Watch on Apple TV+, IMDB Link: Still: A Michael J. Fox Movie (2023) – IMDb

Timecodes:

00:00 Introduction to Documentary Filmmaking 02:53 Matt Beurois: A French Filmmaker’s Journey 06:03 The Importance of Education and Self-Learning in Filmmaking 09:02 Navigating the Film Industry: Business and Creativity 12:09 The Unique Story of ‘Fancy Like’ and Walker Hayes 17:59 Behind the Scenes: Creating the Documentary 24:01 The Hayes Family: Love, Struggle, and Success 29:30 Crafting the Narrative: The Editing Process 34:05 Family Dynamics on Tour: Balancing Fame and Family 37:27 The Business of Music: Understanding the Industry 46:41 Challenges in Filmmaking: Contracts and Legalities 52:37 DocuView Déjà Vu Recommendations 54:18 What’s coming next for Matt

Evan offers a behind-the-scenes look at Chimp Crazy, discussing the creative and technical challenges of editing a real-time documentary. He emphasizes the importance of finding a compelling story arc, balancing multiple perspectives, and allowing the audience to interpret the narrative independently. He also shares his unique workflow, which involves producing, writing, and editing simultaneously—an approach that fosters flexibility and creativity.

Throughout the episode, Evan provides valuable insights and practical advice for aspiring editors. He highlights essential skills like negotiation, teamwork, and self-advocacy, offering listeners an inside view of the collaborative and often intense world of documentary editing.

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• Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills, 1996, 150 mins, Watch on Amazon / Prime, IMDB Link: Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills (1996) ⭐ 8.2 | Documentary, Crime

• Diamond Hands: Legends of WallStreetBets, 2022, 89 mins, Watch on Peacock, IMDB Link: Diamond Hands: The Legend of WallStreetBets (2022) ⭐ 4.7 | Documentary

Takeaways

• Hard work and enthusiasm are key for advancing in documentary filmmaking.

• Building relationships with experienced editors and filmmakers is invaluable for growth.

• Film school offers resources but isn’t necessary for success in the industry.

• Starting in entry-level roles, like logger or assistant editor, can lead to an editing career.

• High-profile projects and recognition, like Emmy nominations, can open new doors.

• Creating a series involves tailoring the format, episode length, and story to the footage available.

• Presenting multiple perspectives lets the audience form their own opinions.

• Filming, writing, and editing at the same time allows for creative, flexible storytelling.

• Creative problem-solving makes scenes more engaging and visually dynamic.

• Negotiation skills and self-advocacy are crucial for an editor's success.

• Building positive relationships and being kind to others is essential in the editing world.

Timecodes:

00:00 Introduction and Housekeeping 03:21 Evan Wise's Journey in Documentary Filmmaking 07:52 The Importance of Hard Work and Building Relationships 14:30 The Role of Loggers and Assistant Editors 18:14 Turning Points in Evan Wise's Career 21:40 Creating 'Chimp Crazy' 25:16 Discovering the Story 28:26 Filming, Writing, and Editing Simultaneously 31:35 Revealing Unseen Processes 37:32 Editors as Writers 40:05 The Importance of Being Nice 45:50 DocuView Dèjà Vu

They discuss themes of trust, perseverance, and the importance of community. Christian’s son shares his passion for the military and his desire to serve as a warfighter. They also touch on the challenges and rewards of running a business together.

Overall, the conversation highlights the lessons learned and the growth that comes from facing difficult circumstances. Support us on Patreon and get Documentary First exclusive content like this episode for $5+ a month. Patreon.com/DocumentaryFirst

Takeaways

• Trust in God's provision and have faith in His plan, even in difficult times.

• Challenges and setbacks can lead to unexpected opportunities and growth.

• Building a strong community and culture is essential for personal and professional development.

• Having a mentor or someone with experience can provide valuable guidance and support.

• Passion and dedication are key to pursuing a fulfilling career or vocation.

They explore the surprising factors that influenced ticket sales, including screening schedules, ticket pricing, and the often overlooked role of theater advertising—or lack thereof. The team shares their experiences with the logistical hurdles of distributing physical drives and the critical importance of targeted outreach to specific audiences.

Reflecting on their journey, the hosts candidly discuss the missteps and lessons learned, underscoring the necessity of strategic planning, research, and building strong partnerships in independent film distribution. This episode is a must-listen for anyone navigating the complex world of documentary filmmaking and theatrical releases.

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The discussion sheds light on how the dominance of streaming platforms and studios has shifted the landscape, making it increasingly difficult for independent filmmakers to gain visibility through traditional film festivals.

The conversation explores the significance of IMDb in shaping a film’s release strategy and public perception. Christian and Tim emphasize the importance of meticulously managing your IMDb page, from the release date to cast listings, to enhance your film’s appeal. They also highlight the critical role of eye-catching key art in capturing attention.

The hosts delve into how streaming platforms utilize algorithms to curate content tailored to user preferences, changing the way audiences discover films. They also discuss the growing prominence of ad-supported video on demand (AVOD) services like Tubi and Pluto TV, which provide filmmakers with new avenues to reach diverse audiences.

Joe Amodei reflects on his personal connection with Morgan Spurlock, sharing how the success of Spurlock’s documentary Super Size Me profoundly impacted Virgil Films and the documentary industry. He pays tribute to their enduring friendship, underscoring the value of supporting one another in both personal and professional endeavors.

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IMDB LINK: Morgan Spurlock | Producer, Writer, Director

Super Size Me, 2004, 100mins, Watch on Peacock, Pluto, Prime, Roku, Tubi and Plex, IMDB LINK: Super Size Me (2004) ⭐ 7.2 | Documentary

Enter Tim. He understands the streaming world yet adheres to the age-old method of cultivating relationships between filmmakers and distributors—a key ingredient to success. By listening to this podcast, one will gain understanding about: what it is like to attend a Hollywood pitch meeting, how a movie is delivered, and why it is important to find a champion for your film. Stay tuned to Documentary First to hear Part 2 later this month!

Links:

https://www.forksoverknives.com/

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Tim Maggiani: "Just. One. Mile.", 2023, 1hr 36min, Watch on Tubi and Prime, IMDB Link: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt28619147/

Joe Amodei: “7 Yards: The Chris Norton Story”, 2021, 93 mins, Watch on Tubi and Prime, IMDB Link: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12439210/

By incorporating a unique blend of vlog-style storytelling, expert interviews, and emotional family testimonies, To Dye For shines a light on a critical issue often overlooked.

In this episode, Brandon and Whitney open up about their personal journey, sharing the urgency that drove them to bring this story to life. They discuss the challenges of wearing multiple hats—handling animation, music composition, and casting—while navigating the financial, marketing, and strategy side of independent filmmaking.

Through the process of making this film they learned how to have focus groups and how to rely on God during tough times. We encourage our listeners to see the movie when it releases!

Links:

http://www.todyeforthedocumentary.com/

https://www.youtube.com/@YesTheory

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Whitney: “Not So Pretty”, 2022, 4 Episode Documentaty Series, Watch on MAX, IMDB LINK: Not So Pretty (TV Mini Series 2022) ⭐ 6.9 | Documentary

Christian: 1. “Brandy Hellville & the Cult fo Fast Fashion”, 2024, 91mins, Watch on MAX, IMDB LINK: Brandy Hellville & the Cult of Fast Fashion (2024) ⭐ 6.2 | Documentary

Brandon: 1. “Backstreet Boys: Show ‘Em What You’re Made Of”, 2015, 101 mins, Watch on various streaming platforms such a Prime, Tubi, Roku, Peacock, IMDB LINK: Backstreet Boys: Show 'Em What You're Made Of (2015) ⭐ 7.5 | Documentary

2. “OUTATIME: Saving the DeLoren Time Machine”, 2016, 64 mins, Watch on Amazon, IMDB LINK: OUTATIME: Saving the DeLorean Time Machine (2016) ⭐ 7.4 | Documentary

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The conversation dives into the unsettling world of the Twin Flames Universe, an online relationship community whose promises of true love masks a controlling environment. Through deep research and with empathy, they unearthed these survivors’ stories.

The filmmakers discuss the vital role of editors in shaping a narrative, their support for editors deserving writing credits, and the collaborative effort required to piece together different story arcs. They share unexpected moments that shifted the direction of the series and reflect on how documentaries can influence real-world change, including how shows can affect law enforcement through social pressure.

Inbal and Cecilia also talk about the qualities they admire in each other, their commitment to ethical filmmaking, and offer valuable advice for aspiring filmmakers. They emphasize the importance of mastering skills like sound recording and editing, and the value of learning firsthand from filmmakers you respect.

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Inbal:

Fire of Love, 2022, 98 mins, Watch on Hulu & Prime, IMDB LINK: Fire of Love (2022) ⭐ 7.6 | Documentary, Biography

Cecilia:

Harlan County U.S.A., 1976, 103 mins, Watch on MAX or Amazon, IMDB LINK: Harlan County U.S.A. (1976) ⭐ 8.2 | Documentary

In this week's episode of Documentary First, host Christian Taylor is joined by summer intern Peyton Rabb to recount their unforgettable journey to Normandy for the 80th Anniversary of the D-Day landings. The Documentary First Productions team had the profound honor of accompanying 101-year-old WWII veteran Ceo Bauer to the commemorative ceremonies—his first experience in Normandy attending the D-Day commemorations.

This deeply moving experience touched not only Ceo and the team but also the people of Normandy and the active-duty military members who took part in the events. Christian and Peyton reflect on the emotional impact of their documentary, "The Girl Who Wore Freedom", which centers around Ceo Bauer’s story and resonates deeply with audiences on both sides of the Atlantic. The episode delves into the French perspective on war and freedom, the significance of the D-Day commemorations, and the team's interactions with notable figures like Air Force captain (CPT), Christian Maude.

Listeners will be transported to key moments of the trip, from visiting the historic church at Angoville-au-Plain, with its blood-stained pews, to witnessing a reenactment at Utah Beach. Peyton also shares her personal growth from this experience, including the profound effect of receiving Ceo's book. The episode wraps up with thoughtful reflections on the importance of taking risks, the power of storytelling, and the value of intergenerational friendships forged through shared history. Don't miss this powerful conversation that honors the past while inspiring future connections.

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Timecodes:

00:00 Introduction and Background 03:03 The 80th Anniversary of Normandy 07:28 The Impact of The Girl Who Wore Freedom 11:10 The French Perspective on War and Freedom 15:25 Exploring the Schedule and Events of the Trip 27:25 Inspiring Support from Captain Christian Maude 29:19 A Special Visit to Angoville Church 36:23 Solemn and Impactful Reenactment at Utah Beach 40:23 The Priceless Moment of Receiving Ceo's Book 47:29 The Incredible Involvement of the U.S. Army 52:07 Personal Growth and Transformation 54:03 The Value of Intergenerational Friendships & Conclusion

Skerry shares how he started as a diver and developed a passion for underwater photography and filmmaking. He also talks about his transition from photography to becoming a producer for ocean documentaries.

We are happy to share this conversation with a producer who won an Emmy for creating Disney+ "Secret of the Whales".

Links:

Brianskerry.com Instagram.com/brianskerry https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/series/sea-change-the-gulf-of-maine/

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Brian:

Billy & Molly: An Otter Love Story, 2024, 77 mins, Watch on Hulu, IMDB Link:  Billy & Molly: An Otter Love Story (2024) - IMDb

Stevie Van Zandt: Disciple, 2024, 147mins, Watch on HBO Max, IMDB Link:  Stevie Van Zandt: Disciple (2024) - IMDb

Timecodes:

00:00 Introduction and Background of Brian Skerry 02:22 Brian Skerry's Journey in Filmmaking 08:53 Transitioning into Producing and Directing 19:09 The Importance of Planning and Portfolio Building 26:52 Combining Visual Storytelling and Logistics 35:06 Addressing Climate Change in Documentaries 37:49 The Meaning of the Ocean Being a Carbon Sink 41:21 The Decline of the Gulf of Maine 48:29 The Power of Storytelling in Environmental Conservation 59:43 Research and Exploration in Filmmaking 01:06:34 Where to Watch Sea Change 01:07:30 DocuView Dèjà Vu

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00:00 Introduction and Setting the Stage 01:31 How Todd Anderson Got Involved 25:27 Crafting Effective Outreach Emails 29:14 Tracking and Follow-Up 36:08 Reaching Out to Local Communities 38:51 Challenges in Securing Theater Commitments 48:23 Conclusion

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We were fortunate to have her on the podcast to share about her start in the entertainment industry as a commercial editor and later directing the successful documentary, "Cyber-Seniors" https://cyberseniorsdocumentary.com/. We get into her most recent project, a revealing medical journey that features turning poop into medicine. 

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Saffron:

“Babies” 2010, 79 mins, Watch on Amazon/Prime, IMDB LINK: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1020938/

Christian:

“Cat Daddies” 2022, 89 mins, Watch on Plex, Tubi, Prime, IMDB LINK: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10968602/

“Unsung Hero” 2024, 113 mins, Narrative based on a true story, Currently in Theatres, IMDB LINK: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt23638614/

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00:00 Introduction

07:16 Choosing to Being Her Own Subject 

20:16 Bridging the Generational Gap Through Technology in "Cyber-Seniors"

23:00 My Mom is the Producer!

25:08 Why You Need to Love the Subject Matter You Are Directing

28:10 "Designer Shit"

31:15 Fecal Transplant Treatment Perspectives in the Medical Community

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Join us as Christian and Josh chat about how Josh got into filmmaking, transitioning from photography to moving pictures. From his time in Vietnam, devouring National Geographic, to landing jobs with the UN and MTV, Josh's journey is fascinating.

We explore Haygood's extensive resume, showcasing his ability to tackle any job in the industry. His versatility and problem-solving skills earned him the nickname "The Fixer" during his years at MTV. He shares some of his experiences about being called to "fix" a project.

Haygood worked on a recent documentary project that involved an innovative boating propeller, https://maelstrompropellers.com/

In a segment called "Answer Me This," Christian throws Haygood a few questions about life and media arts.

By the end of the episode, we invite Josh to be a "friend of the show" as we are excited to have him back to delve into more areas of filmmaking.

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JOSH: “Won’t You Be My Neighbor”, 2018, 95 mins, Watch on Netflix or Prime, IMDB LINK:

Won't You Be My Neighbor? (2018) ⭐ 8.3 | Documentary, Biography, History

Josh Haygood's production company link:

https://www.banditofilms.com/

Timecodes:

• (00:00) - Introduction
• (12:17) How does somebody get to be in your position?
• (15:23) Development expertise in a thing become really, really good at least one thing.
• (17:28) The propeller company, the “Maelstrom Propellers” project.
• (21:46) “What do you want to do with that documentary?”
• (24:44) "What is one thing a person starting out could do to further their career?"
• (25:49) Josh names a person that really influenced his life. And why they made a difference to him.
• (27:39) “Three things that you tell your people when you want to set the tone on any production”
• (33:23) "What do you do when you're really struggling? When you don't have a project to work on or when the project you're working on isn't going well?"
• (43:51) "You absolutely seem to love your work and this lifestyle. And I just want to know. Why? This is a crazy job. It's crazy. What is it? Why do you love it so much?"
• (49:00) DocuView Dèjà Vu Segment - “Won't You Be My Neighbor”

The conversation explores the reasoning behind having a limited theatrical release for our documentary film. They also touch on the costs associated with distribution and the timing strategy of theatrical releases. The episode concludes with a recommendation for the documentary film "The Greatest Night in Pop", which chronicles the making of the song "We Are the World." https://www.imdb.com/title/tt30796448/

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Timecodes

00:00 Introduction and Company Update 01:27 Theatrical Release Announcement 08:00 The Importance of Knowing Your Audience 13:27 Customizing Outreach Efforts for Community Engagement 25:29 The Financial Aspects of a Theatrical Release 29:45 Persistence in Securing Theatres 33:41 Tailoring Screenings to the Venue 34:07 Flexibility and Options for Theaters 36:18 Considering the Costs of Distribution 46:09 Timing is Key for Theatrical Releases 52:19 DocuView Dèjà Vu: "The Greatest Night in Pop"

Takeaways

• The documentary film "Minted" explores the world of NFTs and the artists who have embraced this new technology.
• Director Nick Bruckman gained access to the artists and followed their journey as they navigated the rise and fall of the NFT market.
• The film highlights the challenges and opportunities of the digital art world and the impact of NFTs on artists' lives and careers. Bruckman reflects on the importance of documentary filmmaking and the power of storytelling to create meaningful connections.
• Documentary filmmaking involves challenges such as telling a macro story and releasing control when working with local crews. Selecting main characters can be a difficult process, and managing expectations and dealing with participants who may not be prominently featured in the film is important.
• Fear and doubt are common during the creative process, but it's important to retain a sense of freedom and exploration. Financial stability in documentary filmmaking can be achieved through various avenues, such as commercial work or adjacent jobs in the industry.
• NFTs present an interesting tool for artists to explore, but marketing and getting work in front of collectors is still crucial.

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00:00 Introduction and Welcome 12:48 Exciting News and Distribution Deal for "Minted" 29:34 The Story of Karina and NFTs in Cuba 37:15 Dealing with Fear and Doubt in the Creative Process 52:48 Exploring NFTs as a Tool for Artists

The discussion explores the significance of embracing failure and highlights Tom’s natural flair as a host within the documentary. Juan outlines his organic filmmaking approach and the narrative development throughout "Mad Props." As the episode draws to a close, Tom shares his enthusiasm about realizing his childhood dreams through documentary.

The conversation spans a variety of topics related to the film’s production, including budgeting, travel logistics, and scheduling. The guests discuss the challenges and strategies of navigating the film festival circuit. They emphasize the positive impact of maintaining a good attitude on set and its influence on the project. Juan reflects on his journey in the film industry, underscoring the importance of perseverance and dedication. Upcoming projects and Juan’s evolving roles in filmmaking are also discussed.

Juan then talks about his favorite documentaries and the inherent unpredictability of documentary filmmaking. He stresses the importance of continuous learning and explains the concept of fair use for incorporating movie clips into documentaries. Insights into acquiring film clips and adapting to the dynamic nature of the film industry are shared. Juan highlights the critical roles of persistence and the filmmaker’s involvement in distribution. Lastly, Juan speaks to the generosity and philanthropy of Tom Biolchini, the focus of his documentary, rounding off a thoroughly engaging episode.

Takeaways

Documentary filmmakers must remain committed to continual learning and adapting to emerging technologies and evolving industry trends. Understanding fair use is paramount for integrating movie clips into documentaries; collaborating with clearance attorneys can provide essential guidance through complex legal landscapes. Persistence and resilience are crucial traits for filmmakers, given the industry's constant flux and the often demanding path to success. Active participation in the film's distribution process is essential, requiring filmmakers to invest significant effort in promoting their work. Moreover, the generosity and philanthropy of individuals like Tom not only enrich the filmmaking community but also leave a lasting impact on the broader world.

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Juan Pablo Reinoso:

1. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son about His Father, 2008, 95 mins, Watch on Prime or Tubi, IMDB: Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father (2008) - IMDb
2. 20 Days in Mariupol, 2023, 95 mins, Watch on Prime, IMDB: 20 Days in Mariupol (2023) - IMDb
3. Capturing the Friedmans, 2003, 107mins, Watch on Max or buy from Amazon, IMDB: Capturing the Friedmans (2003) ⭐ 7.6 | Documentary, Biography, Crime

Takeaways

• Networking and asking questions are essential for aspiring filmmakers to gain knowledge and opportunities. • Putting in the hours of practice and learning from experienced mentors can help filmmakers improve their craft. • Volunteering and helping others in the industry can lead to valuable connections and opportunities. • Filmmakers have the power to tell stories that promote social justice and shed light on marginalized communities. • Continuous education and staying informed about social issues are crucial for documentary filmmakers.

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Alex:

1. Searching for Sugar Man, 2012, PG-13, 96mins, Watch on Prime, IMDB Link: Searching for Sugar Man (2012) - IMDb
2. The Last Repair Shop, 2023, 39 mins, PG, Watch on Hulu, IMDB Link: The Last Repair Shop (2023) - IMDb

Christian:

1. The Trial of Adolf Eichmann, 1997, 90mins, Watch on Netflix, IMDB Link: The Trial of Adolf Eichmann (TV Movie 1997) - IMDb

Timecodes

00:00 Introduction 00:27 Introduction of Guest and Film 03:08 Guest's Background and Journey into Filmmaking 08:28 Transition to Editing and Working on '13th' 14:14 Transition to Producing and "Ifine: Beauty" 20:49 Passion for Social Justice and Racial Justice 24:07 Origin of "Ifine: Beauty" and Topic of Skin Bleaching 30:54 Life Cycle of the Film and Festival Circuit 35:22 Availability of the Film and Social Media 38:48 Reception of the Film in Sierra Leone 42:52 Tips for New Filmmakers 47:35 Importance of Education and Social Justice Filmmaking 48:26 Closing Remarks and Call to Action

Takeaways:

• Movies and storytelling have always inspired Joe Brewster, leading him to pursue a career in filmmaking.

• Storytelling is deeply rooted in Black culture and the South, as Brewster learned from his father's preaching.

• Brewster believes that telling stories and creating films is a more significant way to make an impact than practicing medicine.

• Representation of Black characters and their experiences in film and television is important to Brewster, as it was lacking during his childhood.

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Michèle:

“I Called Him Morgan”, 2017, 92mins, Watch on Amazon Prime, IMDB Link:

I Called Him Morgan (2016) - IMDb

Joe:

1. Making Do The Right Thing, 1989, 60mins, IMDB Link: Making Do the Right Thing (TV Movie 1989) - IMDb
2. Slaying Goliath, 2008, 70mins, IMDB Link: Slaying Goliath (2008) - IMDb

Timecodes:

00:00 Introduction and Background 01:00 Founding Rada Studios 08:45 Award Nominations and Recognition 15:10 The Cinematic Beauty of "Going to Mars" 23:18 Challenges of Making the Film 28:26 Revealing Nikki Giovanni's Story 31:06 Favorite Documentaries: "I Called Him Morgan" and "Slaying Goliath" 39:45 Conclusion

Takeaways:

• Building and maintaining relationships is crucial in the film industry.

• Networking and nurturing genuine connections can lead to opportunities and collaborations.

• Breaking into the film industry requires determination, perseverance, and a willingness to take on various roles and projects.

• Editing documentary and narrative films have different challenges and skill sets.

• Documentaries often require creating a story from scratch, while narratives involve working with scripts and existing footage.

• Living and working in Hollywood can provide unique opportunities and challenges.

• Having a supportive community and network is essential for success.

• Choosing the right editing software depends on the project and industry standards.

• Avid Media Composer is widely used in the industry, but other software like Premiere and DaVinci Resolve also have their merits.

• Early experiences with editing can shape an editor's understanding and appreciation for the craft.

• Involving editors from the beginning of a project can lead to a more cohesive and effective final product.

• Fresh eyes in the editing process can provide valuable perspectives and insights.

DocuView Déjà Vu:

Three Identical Strangers, 2018, 96mins,  Watch on Hulu or Prime, IMDB LINK: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7664504/reference/

The Other Side of Home, 2016 - Short Documentary, 40mins, IMDB LINK: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5664922/reference/ Watch on Kanopy: https://www.kanopy.com/en

Time codes:

00:00 Introduction and Patreon Shoutouts

01:32 Introduction of Guest, Yvette Amirian

03:47 Yvette's Journey from Documentary to Narrative Editing

09:15 Differences Between Editing Documentary and Narrative Films

13:18 Balancing Work and Family Life

15:10 Tips for Breaking into the Film Industry

19:36 The Importance of Building and Maintaining Relationships

22:13 The Value of Collaboration and Kindness in the Industry

27:16 Challenges and Progress for Women in the Editing Industry

30:44 Living and Working in Hollywood

39:49 Choosing the Right Editing Software

41:52 Evolution of Editing Software and Yvette's Experience

42:20 Introduction to Editing and Early Experiences

45:04 Discussion of the Film 'It Takes a Village'

50:05 The Importance of Involving Editors from the Beginning

52:21 Documentary Recommendations: 'Three Identical Strangers' and 'The Other Side of Home'

55:56 Conclusion and Appreciation

Takeaways

• The film distribution industry is undergoing significant changes, including the consolidation of companies and the rise of streaming services. • Filmmakers need to collaborate with distributors and be actively involved in the marketing and distribution process. • Understanding distribution expenses is crucial for filmmakers, as these costs are deducted from the film's proceeds. • Filmmakers should stay informed by reading trade publications and staying up to date with industry trends. • The film business can be both rewarding and challenging, and it requires a love for the industry and perseverance.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background 01:48 Virgil Films and Entertainment 06:26 Changes in the Film Industry 08:20 Consolidation of Companies 09:18 Netflix's Strategic Moves 10:26 Opportunities for Independent Filmmakers 12:19 Distribution Expenses 15:02 Collaboration between Filmmakers and Distributors 16:35 The Process of Distributing a Film 21:19 Understanding Distribution Expenses 23:07 Marketing and Advertising Challenges 25:04 Distribution Anecdote 27:15 The Joy and Heartache of the Film Business 28:40 The Importance of Reading Trade Publications 30:20 Favorite Movies and Oscar Predictions 33:02 Recognition in the Entertainment Industry 33:51 Closing Remarks

DocuView Déjà Vu:

Laela:

1. Morena(s) 2022. 70 mins, IMDB Link: Morena(s) (2022) - IMDb
2. Senna 2010, 106mins, Watch on Amazon, IMDB Link: Senna (2010) - IMDb

Chad:

1. Keys to the City: Chronicles of a NY Locksmith, 2023, 32 mins, Link: Keys to the City: Chronicles of a New York Locksmith

Christian:

1. Sour Grapes, 2016, 85mins, Watch on multiple streamers (Freevee, Tubi, Plex, Pluto, Roku, Prime) IMDB Link: Sour Grapes (2016) - IMDb
2. Bottle Shock, 2008, Narrative, 110mins, Watch on multiple streamers (Freevee, Tubi, Plex, Pluto, Roku, Prime) , IMDB Link: Bottle Shock (2008) - IMDb

Takeaways

Trust and collaboration are key in the DP-director relationship. Prime lenses can create a more cinematic look by narrowing the depth of field. Advancing in the film industry often requires taking risks and making sacrifices. Building a client base is crucial for cinematographers.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Patreon Support 01:38 Introducing Layla Kilbourn and Her Work 03:35 Debut of Girl State at Sundance 06:35 Working with a Larger Budget 09:10 Working with Directors as a Cinematographer 12:05 The Importance of Trust in the DP-Director Relationship 14:35 The Role of Prime Lenses in Cinematography 16:37 Layla Kilbourn's Background and Journey in Filmmaking 33:03 Transitioning from Assistant Camera to Cinematographer 38:10 The Challenges of Advancing in the Film Industry 39:50 The Challenges of Building a Stable Career 41:40 Dealing with Discouragement and Persistence 43:18 The Impact of Strikes and COVID-19 on Filmmaking 44:47 The Changing Landscape of Filmmaking 45:38 Advice for Filmmakers with Limited Resources 51:51 The Importance of Collaboration in Filmmaking 54:01 Laela's Experience Filming Underground in New York 59:56 Recommended Documentaries

Takeaways

The role of distributors is to acquire and sell the rights to films, including digital platforms, TV channels, DVD, theatrical release, and international markets. While there are aggregators and self-distribution options available, working with a reputable distributor can provide valuable expertise, connections, and resources. Filmmakers should carefully vet distributors and consider their track record, reputation, and transparency before entering into distribution agreements.

Docu-View Déjà Vu recommendation:

Joe: "George Stevens: A Filmmaker's Journey" - 1984, 110 mins, Watch on MAX or rent/buy from Amazon, IMDB Link: 

This film provides insights into the life and work of filmmaker George Stevens, including his experiences filming during World War II.

BOOK: “My Place In The Sun” by George Stevens Jr

Timecodes

00:00 Introduction and Company Update 02:14 Joe Amodei's Background and Virgil Films Entertainment 04:26 The Evolution of Film Distribution 09:00 The Changing Landscape of Film Distribution 12:34 Reaching Out to Distributors and Types of Films Distributed 14:24 The Rise of Aggregators and Self-Distribution 23:35 The Challenges of Finding a Trustworthy Distributor 31:02 Documentary Recommendation: "George Stevens: A Filmmaker's Journey"

Support us on Patreon

Takeaways:

• Starting a personal movie review website or blog is a great way for aspiring film critics to practice their writing and review the films they want.
• Writing about and watching as many movies as possible is important for developing one's own taste and staying informed about the film industry.
• Technology has greatly influenced film criticism, with platforms like TikTok and podcasting providing new avenues for people to share their opinions on movies.
• Film reviewers should strive for objectivity and avoid potential conflicts of interest, such as being paid to promote a movie they are reviewing.

DocuView DéjàVu:

Josh Sharpe: Best Worst Thing That Could Have Ever Happened, 2016, 95 mins, Watch (Rent/Buy) on Prime or Apple TV, IMDB Link: 

Jason: Greta Gerwig & James Cameron from Variety - Directors on Directors Series, 42:21 mins, YouTube, Link: 

Christian: A fiction film, “Leave The World Behind”, 2023, 138 mins, Genres: Psychological Thriller, Drama, Mystery, Watch on Netflix, IMDB Link: 

The Movie Proposal Podcast link: 

Timecodes

00:00 Introduction and Recap 01:10 Year in Review and Patreon Support 05:25 Update on "The Girl Who Wore Freedom" 08:08 Update on "Heroes of Carentan" 10:32 Introduction of Guest Josh Sharpe 11:18 Josh Sharpe's Background in Entertainment Reporting 14:21 Tips for Conducting Interviews 19:05 Importance of Reviews for Filmmakers 27:18 Different Types of Interviews 38:39 The Process of Film Reviewing 43:14 Starting a Movie Review Website 45:17 Evolution of Film Criticism with Technology 53:16 Future Goals in Film Criticism 57:28 DocuView DéjàVu: "Best Worst Thing That Ever Could Have Happened" 01:00:14 DocuView DéjàVu: "Variety's Directors on Directors with Greta Gerwig and James Cameron" 01:03:30 DocuView DéjàVu: "Leave the World Behind" 01:05:26 Film Review: "Wonka"

Takeaways

Emotional intelligence is the ability to recognize, understand, and manage our own emotions as well as the emotions of others. The components of emotional intelligence include self-awareness, self-regulation, motivation, empathy, and social skills. Developing emotional intelligence involves practicing self-reflection, mindfulness, and active listening. Emotional intelligence is crucial in the workplace for effective communication, collaboration, and conflict resolution. Emotionally intelligent leaders are able to inspire and motivate their team members, and they create a positive work environment. Emotional intelligence plays a significant role in building and maintaining healthy relationships.

DocuView DéjàVu

Mark: Minding the Gap, 2018, 93mins, watch on Hulu or Amazon, IMDB Link: 

Christian: Harry & Megan, Documentary Series - 6 Episodes, watch on Netflix, IMDB Link: 

Timecodes

00:00 Introduction and Welcome 01:36 Background of Filmmakers 03:05 Challenges of Funding 04:12 Production Decisions 06:36 Crowdfunding Campaign 08:56 Lessons Learned from Crowdfunding 10:41 Challenges of Filming 12:51 Lessons Learned from Production 15:12 Storytelling Techniques 19:59 Incorporating Personal Moments 22:13 Integration of Music in the Film 23:52 Archival Footage and Photos 30:30 Recommendation: "Minding the Gap" 37:54 Recommendation: "Harry and Meghan" 42:21 Where to Watch "Dear Sirs" 01:30 Definition and Importance of Emotional Intelligence 07:45 Components of Emotional Intelligence 14:20 Developing Emotional Intelligence 21:10 Emotional Intelligence in the Workplace 29:40 Emotional Intelligence and Leadership 36:55 Emotional Intelligence in Relationships 43:26 Conclusion

In Episode #212, we're diving deep into family secrets, WWII revelations, and the magic of storytelling. This isn't just a podcast; it's a personal invitation to join us on an emotional rollercoaster of discovery and the power of sharing untold stories.

From a mysterious knife in a grandfather's bed to leaving LA for Wyoming, every moment is a leap of faith. Tune in to hear about their immersive storytelling process, the challenges of connecting with veteran communities, and the unexpected treasures found in the grandfather's house. This conversation is just the beginning; Part 2 awaits with more revelations, emotions, and insights into the making of this incredible documentary. Don't miss out—press play and become part of the "Dear Sirs" journey!

Buckle up, hit play, and let's embark on this incredible journey together! 🚀

#DocumentaryFirst #DearSirs #BehindTheScenesMagic

DocuView DéjàVu

Carrie: Boy’s State, 2020, 109mins, Watch on Apple TV+, IMDB:

Boys State (2020) - IMDb

Mark & Christian to share their next episode.

DF212 Summary

• Introduction and a message of thanks to listeners for their support. 0:00
• Introducing Mark & Carrie Pedri and their recent project, their BIOs and film awards for “Dear Sirs”. 3:58
• Finding your audience and engagement, and veteran stories. 7:32
• Building a bridge to connecting the civilian community to the military community. How did this story start? 13:10
• A man's life and WWII experiences through personal belongings. 20:37
• Storytelling techniques to who was the crew and their personal experiences in doing all the things to capture the story. 25:19
• Documenting WWII experiences and survivor's guilt. 31:10
• WWII veteran's experiences and the importance of archival research and finding the right people to help. 39:12
• Hills to climb: Personal and Filmmaking Hills, Editing and Feedback - Critical yet Gentleness and sensitivity is required 48:35
• Documentary filmmaking similarities to Ken Burns and the use of music that leads the story telling. 53:44
• DocuView DéjàVu 55:57

The discussion spans the breadth and depth of "Not Going Quietly," offering insights into Nick's profound connection with Ady Barkan and his family, as well as the transformative impact of bringing this powerful feature to life. As the conversation unfolds, Nick also gives a sneak peek into another upcoming project, "Minted," a documentary delving into the fascinating world of NFTs.

Beyond the creative process, the episode ventures into the pragmatic realms of budgeting and distribution, shedding light on the challenges and triumphs of filmmaking. Nick shares invaluable advice for aspiring filmmakers, emphasizing the importance of carving out a niche and identifying a marketable skill within the industry to provide income stability.

Brimming with wisdom and practical insights, this episode is a must-listen for anyone passionate about the art of documentary filmmaking. Plus, for our Patreon supporters, there's an exclusive extra with Nick where he shares what it’s like to work with Bradly Whitford and The Duplass Brothers! As the episode concludes, the anticipation lingers for future conversations with Nick Bruckman, promising even more captivating discussions on the horizon.

Timecodes

• Documentary filmmaking with Nick Brockman. 0:00
• The impact of Ady Barkan and “Not Going Quietly” 3:23
• Healthcare activism and personal stories. 8:57
• Empathy and connection through documentary filmmaking with Ady. 13:46
• Personal experiences with healthcare challenges. 18:07
• How did this story come to Nick and how it evolved from a short YouTube promo to a Feature. 24:03
• Budget and distribution thoughts. 30:24
• “Minted” - All about NFTs and their impact on society. 35:21
• Nick’s brief story of getting into filmmaking and advice to filmmakers. 40:44

*No Docuview DéjàVu this week.

Nick Bruckman's websites:

https://nickny.com/

https://peoples.tv/

What began as Gail's casual filming of her new puppy's antics took an unexpected turn when the pup faced paralysis. This documentary captures the tireless efforts to help the puppies heal, with a diverse team of camera operators capturing every moment. Gail's meticulous editing, guided by screenwriting principles, resulted in a 76-minute emotional rollercoaster that has left audiences laughing and in tears.

This project was a labor of love, with volunteers pouring their time and resources into rescuing dogs in need. Remarkably, the production costs stayed under $15,000, thanks to the dedication of everyone involved.

The film sheds light on the vital role of raw food company Darwin's, whose sponsorship was born out of a positive impact on one of the featured dogs. Their collaboration is a testament to the potential positive change that can come from these stories.

Gail shares valuable lessons for aspiring filmmakers, stressing the importance of dedication, consistency, and never deleting footage or audio. She also highlights the significance of media training and the stark contrast it made in her PR efforts.

With recent release on streaming platforms, Gail looks forward to future screenings, including a dream showing at the Museum of the Dog in NYC. She and Christian discuss the distribution process, expressing gratitude for the support from Documentary First and underlining the crucial role of a strong distributor relationship in successful film promotion.

In the end, "Puppy Love" stands as a powerful testament to the lengths individuals will go to save an animal, showcasing the enduring power of perseverance, sacrifice, and the bond between humans and animals. Gail's insights into production challenges, collaborative efforts, and future plans for the film offer a captivating glimpse into the world behind this heartwarming documentary.

In "Puppy Love" the dogs are put on a raw diet to help with their recovery. It was so successful that they continue eating raw today. Some dogs eat home made raw food and others eat food from Darwin's Natural Pet Products. https://www.darwinspet.com

‌DocuView Déjà Vu:

Gail: The Pigeon Tunnel, 2023, 92 mins, Watch on Apple TV+, IMDB Link:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt28486633/?ref_=ext_shr

The Deepest Breath, 2023, 108 mins, Watch on Netflix, IMDB Link;

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt24132732/?ref_=ext_shr

Timecodes:

Filmmaking journey and first feature film. 0:00

Documentary filmmaking and puppy paralysis. 1:46

Filmmaking and storytelling techniques. 7:45

A heartwarming dog rescue story. 12:29

Film distribution and festival run. 17:03

Tips and challenges. 21:31

Sponsorship, budget, and dog health in a documentary. 27:02

Filmmaking costs and distribution. 31:13

Filmmaking and editing & DocuView Déjà Vu. 36:17

Media training. 40:09

Ken's distinctive approach to documentary filmmaking involves eschewing rigid timelines, allowing stories to organically evolve. His mission is to craft narratives of depth and richness, achieved through meticulous research. This ethos means that he and his team are in a perpetual state of pre-production, research, and filming until each project reaches its fullest potential.

The conversation pivots towards a statement Ken makes, likening their approach to recording music prior to editing, wherein the music itself dictates the pace and rhythm, rather than being an added layer. Christian seizes this moment to dissect this invaluable nugget of wisdom, highlighting its transformative impact on Ken's filmmaking process.

Ken provides illuminating examples of projects where this technique has been applied, emphasizing the primacy of musical integrity. For Christian, this revelation resonates deeply, affirming the choices made while creating "The Girl Who Wore Freedom," a project inspired by Ken's storytelling prowess. Their discussion evolves from music to the integration of sound effects, breathing life into static images.

Ken imparts a powerful philosophy: "there's no copyright on technique. There's no copyright on the stuff that we use, there's no copyright even on style," underscoring the open, collaborative nature of the creative process.

Yet, even with this rich discussion, we've merely scratched the surface of Ken Burns' intricate filmmaking methodology. In our segment, DocuView Déjà Vu, Ken offers some film recommendations, with Christian guiding him to two standout selections—one from the past and one from the present.

In this episode, we also introduce one of Ken’s latest endeavors, "Unum," a unique tool any filmmaker can use as a research tool for their own works or for the public to learn more about historical stories his company has worked to unveil and place into context. Unum can be explored further on his webpage at: Ken Burns UNUM

DocuView Déjà Vu Recommendations:

Ken: (OLD) The Night Mail, 1936, 25mins, Short Documentary, IMDB Link:

Night Mail (1936) - IMDb

(NEW) Hollow Tree by Kira Ackerman - Link:

Hollow Tree — Hollow Tree (2022) - IMDb

Christian: The Roosevelts: An Intimate History, IMDB Link:

The Roosevelts: An Intimate History (TV Mini Series 2014) ⭐ 8.8 | Documentary, Biography, History

Jason: The American Buffalo, Link:

Watch The American Buffalo | A New Documentary from Ken Burns | PBS

Timecodes:

• Filmmaking team and collaboration. 0:00
• Filmmaking techniques, scoring and music integration. 4:41
• Sound Design & Narration to tell historical stories. 11:44
• DocuView Déjà Vu Segment and then some. 19:16

Our conversation with Ken traverses his illustrious journey, commencing with his ability to channel early setbacks into the driving force behind his enduring success. As a producer, Ken's knack for tackling multifaceted challenges is nothing short of extraordinary, guided by a unique perspective that sets him apart in the industry. Above all, we uncover the power of tenacity, of consistently placing one foot in front of the other.

Delving into the roots of Ken's storytelling prowess, we learn of the profound influence his first family experiences had on him, igniting a passion that would define his career. Ken's remarkable talent lies in his ability to weave expansive narratives into profoundly personal experiences. He also shares a poignant moment with his father-in-law, who posed the thought-provoking question: "Who are you trying to wake up?"

Ken's fascination with the resurrection of history through storytelling comes to the forefront, demonstrating his mastery in infusing emotion to enrapture audiences. With generosity, he provides vivid examples of this craft, drawing from a wellspring of experiences that run deep. This vulnerability, Ken eloquently describes as a form of "emotional archaeology."

A privileged glimpse into Ken's latest endeavor awaits, set to grace screens on October 16 & 17 - "The American Buffalo." He graciously unveils the journey, the meticulous creative process, and the profound emotional investment behind this expansive series. Through his work, Ken not only urges us to connect with the human story but also implores us to unearth our best selves and take meaningful action.

With so much more to uncover in this enlightening conversation, we'll take a momentary pause. Join us in our next episode as we continue our exploration of the wisdom and insights of this extraordinary filmmaker.

While this episode won't feature our DocuView Déjà Vu segment, rest assured, it will make a triumphant return in our next installment.

‌Timecodes:

(00:27) - Ken’s (shortened:) BIO

(04:17) - Producers are problem solvers

(07:07) - How Ken’s origin story influences his work.

(11:40) Resurrecting the past in story telling and using emotion to engage the audience.

(16:32) Vulnerability in storytelling is emotional archeology.

(18:14) - “The American Buffalo” Story

(33:22) - Closing remarks - Stay tuned for the next episode.

#TheAmericanBuffaloPBS https://kenburns.com/films/the-american-buffalo/

Andrew shares invaluable insights on two fundamental PR principles that every filmmaker should embrace. First and foremost, the importance of kicking off your promotional efforts early, right from the pre-production phase. And secondly, the power of documenting your creative journey. Throughout the episode, Andrew takes us through what these principles look like in action, and the incredible benefits they bring to any project.

Christian also lends her own experiences and successes with these principles, shedding light on how she’s integrated them into her own endeavors. But that’s not all! Christian opens up about her initial challenges with her first publicist, and probes Andrew on the crucial factors to consider when seeking the perfect fit.

Andrew offers invaluable advice on how the landscape of PR is evolving and emphasizes the need for adaptability and realistic expectations. And as always, he reminds us that networking remains paramount in finding that ideal PR partner.

But wait there’s more! Fresh from the bustling scene of the Toronto International Film Festival (TIFF), Andrew shares his recent experiences and the exciting trends he observed. To cap it off, Christian puts Andrew on the spot, asking him to unveil his Top 5 Film Festivals that every filmmaker should have on their radar, whether they’ve submitted a film or not. So, grab your notebooks, folks, because today’s episode is packed with actionable strategies and insider tips to elevate your film’s promotional game. Let’s get started!

‌Timecodes:

• Part 2 – Conversation with Andrew Cohen. 0:00
• How can filmmakers up their game? 3:48
• How to get the best from hiring the right publicist or PR company? 7:58
• Film festivals and networking. 15:36
• DocuView Déjà Vu Segment. 23:01
• Last Thoughts from Andrew 27:31

DocuView Déjà Vu Recommendations:

Andrew: Gimme Shelter, 1970, GP, 91 mins, Prime, IMBD Link:

Gimme Shelter (1970) ⭐ 7.8 | Documentary, Music, Thriller

Josh: Full Swing, 2023 – Series, Netflix, IMDB Link:

Full Swing (TV Series 2023– ) ⭐ 8.0 | Documentary, Sport

Christian: Spy OPS, 2023 – Series, Netflix, IMDB Link:

Spy Ops (TV Series 2023– ) ⭐ 6.2 | Documentary

Andrew Cohen Socials:

Email: info@impact24pr.com

Website: Impact24 Public Relations

Instagram: @‌ansecoh

Twitter: @‌ascohenpr

Discover how Andrew and Christian's paths converged when "Impact 24 PR" extended a helping hand to Documentary First during their electrifying "Emmy" run. Christian's excitement knows no bounds, thanks to the stellar filmmakers that "Impact 24 PR" has introduced to our audience.

For filmmakers, navigating the realm of publicists and PR can feel like a mystifying maze. That's precisely why Andrew's insights are invaluable. Beyond his PR wizardry, Andrew is a seasoned animator, adding another layer to his creative repertoire.

In this episode, Andrew unveils his deep-seated passion for storytelling and filmmaking, revealing how it seamlessly melded with his role as a PR specialist. He spills the beans on his strategies for propelling films into the Emmy spotlight.

We wrap things up with a cliffhanger! What are the common missteps filmmakers make in their PR journey, whether they're teaming up with a publicist or going solo? The answer lies in our next episode, so be sure to tune in!

‌Timecodes:

• Introduction to Andrew Seth Cohen and his story 00.00
• Emmy campaign strategies for filmmakers. 9:33
• Filmmaking, awards, budget and PR strategies. 14:01
• DocuView Déjà Vu Segment. 19:05

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DocuView Déjà Vu Recommendation links:

Andrew: The Two Escobars, 2010, 104mins, ESPN 30 for 30 or Disney+, IMDB Link: The Two Escobars (2010) ⭐ 8.1 | Documentary, Biography, Sport

Josh: Quarterback, 2023, Series, Netflix, IMDB Link: Quarterback (TV Series 2023– ) ⭐ 8.1 | Documentary, Sport

Christian: “Ganz normale Manner - Der vergessene Holocaust” (Ordinary Men), 2022, 58mins, Netflix, IMDB Link: Ganz normale Männer - Der 'vergessene Holocaust' (TV Movie 2022) ⭐ 7.0 | Documentary, History, War

The intoxicating harmonies of triumph and the seductive allure of composition and orchestration beckoned Nicolas to the sprawling landscapes of LA. Here, he delved deeper into his passion for film scoring, skillfully merging it with cutting-edge technology.

Discover the riveting tale of how Nicolás Humberto Repetto sculpted the original score for a new feature documentary, “A Run for More,” which made it’s debut on Apple Music, May 3, 2023, followed by a widespread digital release. This cinematic masterpiece, directed by Pulitzer Prize-winner, Ray Whitehouse, unravels the compelling narrative of Frankie Gonzales-Wolfe—a transgender luminary vying for a seat in the San Antonio city council.

Join Christian and Jason as they dive into Nicolas’ creative process and unravel the pivotal dynamic between Director and Composer. Hear the invaluable lessons gleaned from the crucible of experience, exploring the art of scoring on a budget and the exhilaration of orchestrating with a full-fledged symphony.

Peek behind the curtains of the human psyche, discovering the interplay of emotions and music, and delve into the subtle “psychology” that underpins collaborative artistry.

As tradition dictates, we conclude this week’s “composition” with DocuView Déjà Vu, coupled with a succinct company update.

Timecodes:

• Introduction to Nicolás Repetto. 0:00 

• **How did you become interested in music?** 2:47 

• Films Nicolas has worked on and what work he is most proud of. 7:20 

• How “A Run for More” came to be and Nicolas’ process in working on the score 12:39 

• Defining some music terminology. 18:52 

• **The Composer / Director Relationship and the importance of chemistry.** 24:03 

• Words of advice and lessons learned. 33:55 

• What Nicolas is most proud of in “A Run for More”? 39:44 

• DocuView Déjà Vu 40:50 

Related Links:

"A Run For More" Documentary: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt20562778/

Hollywood scores and soundtracks. What do they sound like by Every Frame a Painting: https://youtu.be/IEfQ_9DIItI

No Film School website: https://nofilmschool.com/

No Film School article: https://nofilmschool.com/composer-collaboration

DocuView Déjà Vu:

Nicolas: The Sound of Identity, 2020, 90 mins, Freevee/The Roku Channel/Prime, IMDB Link: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10156584/

Rock Hudson: All That Heaven Allowed, 2023, 104mins, Max / Prime, IMDB Link: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13514636

Christian: Bombshell: The Hedy Lamarr Story, 2017, 88mins, Netflix / Prime, IMDB Link: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6752848/

Venture into the world of "SOUTHERN STORYTELLERS," a mesmerizing three-part miniseries that escorts you into the heart of the American South. Craig Renaud, known for his prowess in bringing compelling stories to life, introduces us to some of the region's most influential creators. Through his lens, we get to journey alongside these remarkable individuals and explore the very essence of the places they call home.

But this isn't just any project for Craig – it's a poignant departure from his norm. For the first time, he's embarking on a creative endeavor without his brother and longtime collaborator, Brent. The bond between these two was unbreakable, forged through countless shared experiences. As Craig delves into their gripping journey, he recounts their early days of covering global conflicts and reveals the heart-wrenching truth about Brent, the first American journalist tragically lost in the turmoil of Ukraine in 2022.

The conversation delves even deeper into Craig's creative process, unveiling the intricate threads that weave his documentaries into compelling narratives. Tune in as he shares the intimate details of how "SOUTHERN STORYTELLERS" emerged from his own healing journey – a project that became more than just a film, but a means to cope with loss.

But that's not all – hear exclusive insights into Craig's upcoming projects, including a touching tribute to his brother Brent. Amidst the anecdotes and industry wisdom, Craig reminds us that mistakes are an inevitable part of the creative process and offers a powerful dose of encouragement for those who might be on the brink of giving up.

Of course, no episode of Documentary First is complete without our DocuView Déjà Vu segment, offering a fresh perspective on past gems. Plus, Christian provides a company update and a sneak peek into what's on the horizon – a future episode featuring Craig, where he unravels the challenges faced by independent filmmakers striving to carve a niche and make their mark. Learn firsthand the art of collaborating with PBS, especially when it comes to showcasing the magic of documentary films.

Don't miss this chance to embark on an emotional rollercoaster, as Craig Renaud's story resonates deeply and reminds us of the power of storytelling, healing, and the unbreakable bonds that shape our lives. Tune in now!

Timecodes:

1. Introduction to Craig Renaud. 0:00
2. Working with his brother Brent Renaud & John Alpert. 1:47
3. How to make peace with the loss. 8:43
4. The process of doing a documentary without Brent. 12:19
5. Getting to know them as people. 20:37
6. Sticking to the story and not the story. 28:55
7. Finding archival footage for the film. 33:31
8. Getting comfortable with making mistakes. 40:17
9. DocuView Déjà Vu 42:44

Craig: Summer of Soul, 2021, PG-13, Hulu / Prime Video, 118mins, IMDB Link: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11422728/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Christian: Mercury 13, 2018, 78 mins, Netflix, IMDB Link: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8139850/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_7_nm_1_q_mercury%252013

Jason: “Master Cinematographer Conrad Hall, ASC talk cinematography” , 124mins, Youtube Link: Master Cinematographer CONRAD HALL ASC Talks Cinematography

1. Christian’s Company update. 47:42

Find more information about Brent and his work and mentoring, including his foundation and mentorship, below on the websites.

http://BrentRenaudFoundation.org

link: HOME | Renaud B Redesign

Listen to Kara and Anže discuss their inspiring symphony (no pun intended) of passion for music and film composition. Prepare to be get a little jealous as they recount the incredible privilege of being under the tutelage of Hans Zimmer. But brace yourselves for more than just a walk past memory lane; They experimented with musical instruments never invented before on their latest masterpiece, Pre-Historic Planet II.

But wait, there's a plot twist! The second half of the episode takes an unexpected turn with Christian's overdue update. Picture this: a double screening extravaganza in the vibrant setting of Ormond Beach, Florida, coupled with a serendipitous encounter with new friend, Michelle.

Then, get ready to time-travel as Christian recounts her captivating journey to Fort Campbell, KY. She unearthed treasures hidden deep within the WWII archives at the Pratt Museum that will breathe life into the "Heroes of Carentan" project. Feel the surge of excitement as Christian and Zach Callaghan craft this narrative masterpiece over the upcoming weeks.

Tune in now to experience the crescendo of creativity, mentorship, musical marvels, unexpected encounters, and the forging of epic historical tales.

Timecodes:

• Introduction of our guests. 0:00
  • Prehistoric Planet is available on Apple TV.
  • Some of the credits are incredible, including BBC's "The Universe, and the Planets" and IMAX feature "The Great Bear Rainforest" (co-composed with Hans Zimmer), and the opening title music for "Frozen Planet II."
  • Kara Talve has worked on Prehistoric Planet alongside Hans Zimmer and is principal composer on "The Simpsons."
  
  
• Kara and Anže’s background. 4:15
• Creative process for prehistoric music. 12:50
  • The creative process for the Prehistoric Planet series and how it was different from the rest of the series.
  • The idea of making instruments out of fossil materials.
  • The last instrument built for season two is the "Tricera-tone," built out of a metal triceratops fossil replica with a double bass neck.
  
  
• Nominated for an Emmy. 16:59
  • Kara talks about being nominated for an Emmy and how she was shocked and honored to be nominated by her peers.
  • Kara recommends "The Staircase" on Netflix which is about the murder trial of Michael Peterson in the mid 2000s.
  • Anze recommends "Ancient Apocalypse" on Netflix which is a docu-series about the theory of civilizations during the Ice Age.
  
  
• Advice. 20:55
  • Anze’s advice on how to make a career in Los Angeles, and why passion is the most important thing to note in any field.
  • Kara's last parting word of advice: Be personable.
  
  
• Documentary First company update. 24:55
  • Company update, “The Girl Who Wore Freedom” screening in Ormond Beach, Florida at a museum.
  
  
• Fort Campbell, Kentucky. 30:19
  • Christian went to Fort Campbell, Kentucky to do more research at the Pratt museum and met her new hero, Pat Seeling, who is the historian at the Pratt Museum.
  • A motherload of information useful for Doc First's next project , including a book from one of the heroes of the movie.
  • DocuView Déjà Vu Recommendation from Christian is “The Changing Hollywood Landscape” podcast.
  
  
• Key takeaways from the strike. 35:35
  • Companies like Disney, Amazon and Apple are not in the business of entertainment. They are in the business of advertising and selling things, solely focusing on continuing to make money.
  • Matt Damon and Ben Affleck's new production company, Equity Filmmaking, is trying to see if there is a new model.
  • The movie Oppenheimer is a must-see in theatres.
  
  

DocuView Déjà Vu Recommendations

Kara Talve: The Staircase 2004, Netflix, IMDB Link:

The Staircase (TV Mini Series 2004–2018) ⭐ 7.8 | Documentary, Crime, Drama

Anze Rozman: Ancient Apocalypse, 2002, Netflix, IMDB Link:

Ancient Apocalypse (TV Series 2022– ) ⭐ 7.3 | Documentary, History, Sci-Fi

Christian: A podcast on Fresh Air at NPR, with Terry Gross and Lucas Shaw of Bloomberg called “The Changing Hollywood Landscape”

The Changing Hollywood Landscape : Fresh Air

Listen to how Neil & Nate filmed the series on a budget, with a small crew of a maximum of 5 people. Hear some of their favorite experiences while grinding and pushing their team to the limit. Seeing elephants from a helicopter and people on dog sleds hunting Polar Bears are just two of the experiences that have marked their lives while making Human Footprint.

Music is key to setting the tone and emotion to visuals. We learn about their connection with PBS helping out with some of the licensing of the music used as well as how their “Hip-Hop” composer Andy Young came to be a part of the project.

To close, Neil & Nate gave their pearls of wisdom and pieces of advice to filmmakers. Along with Christian’s best reminder of not getting discouraged, don’t give up - DO NOT QUIT!!!

PBS Link: https://www.pbs.org/show/human-footprint/

• Intro to Documentary First. 0:00
  • Welcome back to Documentary First, continuing the conversation with Nate & Neil from Human Footprint.
  • What was the budget and how was it used, travel and music?
  
  
• Traveling for the show. 1:20
  • A lot of travel for 120 days of filming.
  • Shooting in 44 different cities, 80 beds, sets, states, Arctic Sea Ice.
  • Shooting 4 different acts for 4 different episodes
  • Allot of pre-production and research in preparation for all the travel.
  • Starbucks budget larger than the actual food budget……
  • Team of 5 people max. Pushing everyone to their limits.
  • Shooting dogs, rats, starlings, cities and cities.
  
  
• How they economized their travel costs. 5:47
  • Listen to people and give them what they need.
  • Learned to economize in various ways.
  • Neil’s unique experience and favorite place
  • The evolution of tusklessness and elephants.
  • Flying over the park in a helicopter.
  
  
• Nate’s most unique experience. 10:05
  • Episode about how dogs have shaped culture.
  • Unique experience in the Arctic with a young Inuit sled dog hunter.
  • Arctic adventure. The sun doesn't set in the summer - losing track of time, skeleton crew, a wild experience even trying to get there.
  
  
• Hunting polar bears on the sea ice. 12:44
  • Polar bear hunting on the sea ice.
  • The cinematography of the first episode.
  • Three highly trained, highly skilled shooters on the project.
  • A lot of collaboration and sponsorship from Canon with lenses to help bring cinema-level quality. Taking the visuals very seriously.
  
  
• Intuitive filmmaking and music budget. 17:32
  • Biology and natural history as a fact factor.
  • Having veteran natural history shooters on the project.
  • Music budget and getting the rights.
  • Wanting a 90’s HipHop aesthetic - fresh and vibrant
  • Using popular tracks and licensing them where possible.
  • PBS has a special arrangement for music - “A compulsory license” - Nate & Neil explain.
  • Distribution from PBS to elsewhere changes everything
  • How much of the music is composed?
  • How Adrian Young got involved in the project.
  • How the music came together.
  
  
• Creating a modern look and style. 24:41
  • Creating a modern, modern feel for the series.
  • Allowed each editor to show what they think it should look like.
  • How Andy Laub became lead editor. Has an extensive back ground including music editing.
  • How the editing style was developed for the show. A group brainstorming session to help guide this.
  • A combination of the action sports, the traditional Natural History science world, mixed with modern social media type style
  • Biggest challenge for Neil.
  
  
• Knowing what’s enough in the episodes. 29:04
  • Hardest thing for a series like this.
  • Physical and emotional grind of filming.
  • Striking a balance between documentary and information and not be “preachy'.
  • DocuView Déjà Vu recommendations.
  • 4 Recommendations one of which was “My Octopus Teacher” - recommended previously (See the other 3 recommendations listed below).
  
  
• Advice for filmmakers. 34:12
  • Neil & Nate's best piece of advice for new filmmakers.
  
  

DocuView Déjà Vu

Nate: 100 Foot Wave, Series 2021, HBOMax, IMDB Link: 100 Foot Wave (TV Series 2021– ) ⭐ 8.1 | Documentary, Sport

My Octopus Teacher, 2020, 85 mins, Netflix, IMDB Link: My Octopus Teacher (2020) ⭐ 8.1 | Documentary

Chimp Empire, S2023, Series, Netfilx, IMDB Link: Chimp Empire (TV Mini Series 2023) ⭐ 8.3 | Documentary

Jago: Alife Underwater, 2015, 48 mins, Watch on Amazon or Curiosity, IMDB Link: Jago: A Life Underwater (2015) ⭐ 7.4 | Documentary

In this Part 1 episode, Christian and Jason chat with the creators and directors of “Human Footprint”, Neil Losin & Nathan Dappen. They tell us their journey of making “terrible” videos, a partnership with fellow geek scientist Shane Campbell-Staton and the serendipitous connection to PBS that allowed them to share their vision: cultivating a love for science, looking after the Earth and observing mankind’s impact on the environment and culture.

This is an amazing journey into filmmaking from an unconventional starting point. The perseverance, grind and fun along the way, including making connections with the right people at the right time, result in a great story about getting funding from unconventional sources.

Timecodes:

• Introduction to our guests. 0:00
• How the series came to be. 2:51
• The hopeful impact and awareness of story on the viewer. 7:01
• How they met and started collaborating. 10:54
• Living on two different coasts and have never lived int he same place and possibly see each other more than their partners. 17:39
• How long did it take to get the show greenlit? 21:42
• How did they get to the pitch point? 28:18
• The importance of getting a grant. 32:25
• How did you did the grants help to get you started? 36:39
• How did you pitch the idea to PBS? 41:30
• What was the budget for the series? 46:02
• The difference between producing and directing. 52:10
• DocuView Déjà Vu 55:13
• Documentary First Update 1:05:21

DocuView Déjà Vu:

• NEIL: “Particle Fever”, 2013, 99 mins, Watch on “Curiosity Stream” with a subscription, IMDB Link: Particle Fever (2013) ⭐ 7.4 | Documentary
• JASON: Check out “Human Footprint”, 2023, PBS, Series, IMDB Link: Human Footprint (TV Series 2023– ) ⭐ 6.8 | Documentary

Join Christian and Jason as they dive deep into the past four years of our thought-provoking and inspiring podcast. Together, they remind us of the indispensable quality that every filmmaker must possess: tenacity. Prepare to be encouraged and motivated as they unveil the secrets to success in the ever-evolving world of cinema.

For a filmmaker, perseverance is the key that unlocks the gateway to the stars. These stars can take many forms, both figurative and literal, representing the pinnacle of our aspirations.

Just like steadfast guides, the stars watch over us, ever-present and within our grasp. They serve as a constant reminder that even though our goals may seem distant, they remain visible and within reach. With every courageous step we take towards our cinematic vision, we are bound to encounter challenges along the way. But fear not! These very adversities become the stepping stones that lead us towards the dazzling radiance of the stars we were destined to reach.

Get ready to be inspired as we continue to share the remarkable odyssey of filmmaking. We have an abundance of new, talented filmmakers waiting in the wings, eager to join us and delve into their unique processes and awe-inspiring experiences. It's a rollercoaster ride you won't want to miss!

And that's not all! Brace yourselves, because DocuView Déjà Vu is making a triumphant return! Get ready to rediscover your love for documentary films and relive those unforgettable cinematic moments.

So buckle up, dear listeners, as we embark on another thrilling chapter filled with passion, creativity, and the relentless pursuit of our cinematic dreams. Welcome to a podcast that will ignite your imagination and leave you craving more. Let's make magic happen together!

Summary

• Intro to Documentary First. 0:00

  • Welcome back to Documentary First and inside look at a documentary filmmaker journey.

  • Episode 200.

  • How the podcast was born.

  
  

• Being an improviser as a filmmaker. 6:01

  • Finding volunteers and flying people across the world.

  • Being an improviser, solving problems.

  • Journey from not finished movie to completed movie.

  • Heroes of Carentan.

  
  

• How the film industry has changed. 10:59

  • How the world has changed since pre-Covid.

  • The challenges for independent filmmakers.

  • The art of turning adversity into advantage.

  • The difference between a filmmaker and everyone else.

  • The best piece of advice Jason has ever gotten.

  • Do the next thing first.

  
  

• How did Jason become a voice actor? 17:28

  • Pursuing voice acting and animation.

  • How the pandemic changed the animation industry.

  • How Covid-19 has lowered the standards of what is acceptable.

  • Tiktok vs Instagram.

  
  

• The problem with Social Media and content. 21:26

  • How people consume Tiktok and Instagram reels.

  • How film is designed to make you feel.

  • Making a deal with the devil.

  • Why independent filmmakers need to market their films.

  • The marketing strategy for "God's Not Dead".

  
  

• Encounter with General JP McGee. 28:21

  • How Christian met General JP McGee, commanding general of the 101st Airborne Division.

  • Partnership with the 101st Airborne Division

  • Powerful interviews with the 101st Airborne Division.

  • The synergy of past and present coming through the interviews

  • The cost of combat.

  
  

• Do not give up on your film. 34:11

  • Heart comes through in everything at Doc First.

  • Word of encouragement, don't quit.

  • DocuView Déjà Vu Segment

  • Book: The Obstacle is the Way

  • Coming soon to the podcast - New filmmakers in the wings!

  
  

DocuView Déjà Vu:

Jason - Still: A Michael J Fox Movie, 2023, Rated R, 95 mins on Apple+, IMDB Link: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt19853258/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_8_nm_0_q_still

Christian - The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck, Rated R, 2023, 97 mins, Rent or buy on Prime Video or inflight in United Airlines, IMDB Link: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12380422/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_7_tt_8_nm_0_q_the%2520sublte

“A Man Called Otto” - 2022, 126 mins, PG13, in flight on United Airlines, IMDB Link:https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7405458/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_8_nm_0_q_a%2520man%2520called

At the 2023 Film Festival in Cannes, Joe had 33 meetings where he pitched his films and listened to other pitches. He takes us through this experience and shares the lessons he’s learned, highlighting what he would do differently next time (01:06).

The landscape of the film industry is changing, with the merging of premium cable channels and streaming platforms leading to a shift in distribution strategies. Filmmakers and distributors are now focusing more on transactional and A-VOD sites, like Tubi, Pluto, Amazon, and iTunes. This change opens up opportunities for a wider range of genres and films from different countries to gain acceptance (02:15).

Joe reflects on the transformation he's witnessed in the market, for one, he now feels more comfortable approaching booths from other countries, a stark contrast to the hesitations he’s had in the past (05:11).

Christian raises an important question about who the target consumers are for movies considering the lack of information shared by streamers. Joe shares his observations, revealing that streamers like Netflix are increasingly focused on international growth rather than solely on the United States. This shift presents both advantages and limitations for filmmakers who are seeking opportunities overseas (05:53).

Joe has been in the movie biz for 20 years and he shares how he deals with beginning filmmakers and those with more extensive backgrounds differently. He emphasizes the importance of building relationships and having honest conversations regarding the future of the industry (07:18).

The conversation takes a reflective turn as Christian asks Joe whether filmmakers should continue to make films. Joe's replies by stating the resilience of the film industry and emphasizes the importance of creating quality content (10:05).

Exploring popular genres, Joe and Christian discuss current trends. From horror to true crime, teen romantic dramas, comedies, family films, and even faith-based movies, each genre presents unique opportunities (13:18).

The discussion then shifts to documentaries, a genre that poses challenges in terms of profitability. Christian and Joe engage in a lively debate about the difficulties faced by documentary filmmakers in making money (17:04).

Towards the end, Christian and Joe remind us of their unwavering passion for filmmaking. They share heartfelt stories about the power of film to make a difference in people's lives and society as a whole (20:55).

Wrapping up the episode, Christian expresses gratitude for distributors like Joe Amodei and his team for prioritizing genuine relationships and care for filmmakers over purely chasing financial gain (26:40).

We extend our sincere thanks to Joe, Jason, and Christian for their valuable contributions to this enlightening episode. And a special thank you to all our listeners for joining us on this incredible journey of storytelling. Remember, everyone has a story to tell, and you can be the one to tell it!

Please note that there is no DocuView Déjà Vu segment in this episode.

00:50 - Joe describes himself as “a film geek.” He explains why he prides himself in being referred to as not a “suit.”

03:34 - Joe’s involvement with Oscar Best Picture, “Gosford Park.”

07:27 - An inside look at Cannes.

09:29 - What it was like promoting a documentary called “The Third Wave” (IMDB: The Third Wave (2007) - IMDb).

11:59 - Christian reviews her experience going to Sundance Film Festival

13:03 - Joe shares the difference between the 2 festivals, such as no Q&A’s at Cannes.

15:21 - How to get into Cannes Film Festival, both practical and impractical ways

18:23 - Joe makes it clear that he goes to “Cannes every year not to attend the film festival. But to attend the film market.”

23:09 - Joe explains the role of a distributor at film festivals.

25:45 - Christian asks what an independent filmmaker should do to maximize the film festivals, they unpack some very blunt, straight-forward steps.

29:47 - Joe makes the following profound statement “if you're looking to sell your movie, looking to raise money, make revenue to pay back investors, then these film festivals aren't going to do anything for you. BUT being at a film MARKET, walking around and trying to sell your film, to countries all over the world, and being a part of the industry, is where you need to be to be a part of the film industry”

32:48 - Joe reiterates his encouragement to young filmmakers and producers that help is available.

34:36- Joe warns NOT to be clueless about the industry you are in. You have to read the trades. You have to subscribe to Variety, Deadline, The Hollywood Reporter, and Indie Wire, even if it costs you $200 a year. It is well worth it. You have to stay up with the trades. If you don't, you're going to get lost. It's really an ongoing education. Things are changing in the business almost every day.

Part 2 of this 2-part series will be released later this month.

NOTE - NO DocuView DejaVu this episode

Nathans Company “This Is Sound Design” website: This is Sound Design

00:12 - Right out the gate Christian, Jason and Nathan discuss AI vs. good live sound recordings. We discuss that “the tools are only as good as the material you're feeding it.” There is no way around in achieving greatness unless you are investing in quality material.

03:30 - The AI discussion leads to asking about location sound and its challenges. Location sound is very different from sound design and final mix. Hear how Nathan unpacks these differences in reference to his movie “Citizen Sleuth”.

04:29 - Nathan shares how he used spectral tools to identify sounds in his documentary; yet due to use of camera audio and limited crew, there were still challenges in parsing them out. Even big budget films face audio challenges, which further highlights the nature of the industry.

07:42 - Nathan discusses how narrative and documentary filmmaking informs each other. In both narrative and documentary films, the use of Foley is essential to capturing the complete soundscape. Even with high-quality sound recording, certain details like footsteps or subtle moments may be missed. Therefore, techniques like Foley are crucial in both types of films to enhance the overall experience.

09:36 - Christian points out there is a difference between Foley and sound effects.

12:28 - History of Jack Foley & Foley experiences

16:32 - The legalities and clearance for the music

18:16 - Foley and music for the HBO Documentary called “United Skates”.

22:52 - Christian explains some terms, such as what are “stems”?

24:07 - Christian asks on behalf of new filmmakers who are still working in lower budget independent films. Do they have any ability to hire Nathan and his team at all? She asks him to give some sort of budget spectrum that they work on for all kinds of different films? And what does the look like in terms of rates.

Nathan gives an overview of what his team can provide. They have an ultra low budget rate sheet, where it kind of breaks down three budget options in great detail where you can see all the different parts of the process.

27:08 - Nathan’s company “This Is Sound Design” recently released “Joyland”.

IMDB: Joyland (2022) - IMDb

If you're in LA or want to come to LA and need help for a movie, they would be more than happy to have you visit for a tour.

31:04 - DocuView Déjà Vu

Jason: “Citizen Sleuth” (2023), 23 mins, IMDB: Citizen Sleuth (2023) - IMDb

Currently in the film festival run, check out the Instagram for film festival details. Keep an eye on Nathan's website for an announcement as to when its going to be released to see for the public. https://www.instagram.com/citizensleuthmovie/

Christian: “King of Kings: Chasing Edward Jones” (2022), 99 mins, IMDB: King of Kings: Chasing Edward Jones (2022) - IMDb

This movie too, is in its festival run; so it can't be watched, save for at film festivals.

Nathan: “United Skates” (2018), 89 mins, IMDB (Available on HBO Max): United Skates (2018) - IMDb

Nathan Ruyle - IMDb

Nathans Company “This Is Sound Design” website:

This is Sound Design

At 01:53, Nathan sums up the unique sound design in "Citizen Sleuth" and how it was used to create an experiential feeling for the audience. Without relying on reenactments, Nathan used sound to immerse the audience in the experience of the crime, making them feel as though they were right there at the scene.

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Christian shares at 05:17 how she realized the importance of communicating emotions to the composer and sound department to ensure that the audience is moved through the story by the driving forces of sound and music. Nathan's approach to sound design is from a creative perspective, and he sees it as an opportunity to problem-solve and use his imagination.

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At 08:13, Nathan explains how his work encompasses all facets of post-production sound and how he and his team designed the sound to match the look and feel of the story. Christian asks Nathan to sum up the sound of the film and Nathan gives a captivating answer that will leave you intrigued.

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At 14:29, Christian picks out two examples from the film to discuss how Nathan and his team handled the sound in those moments. Nathan also explains mediated voices and mediated technology.

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At 15:42 and how it adds character and feeling to the story. Jason was curious about how Nathan made the dialogue consistent, even when recorded in different locations, and Nathan explains his technique in detail at 23:35.

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As this episode went a little long, Christian, Jason, and Nathan decided to split it into two parts. Be sure to tune in to part two to hear more about AI-specific tools and other interesting sound design topics. And don't forget to catch the next episode, where DocuView Déjà Vu takes center stage!

But first, let's talk about D. Mitry's fascinating backstory. Born in the Soviet Union, D. Mitry didn't launch his filmmaking dream until 2015, but since then, his work has made waves across the globe. He's the mastermind behind “My True Fairytale”, a feature film that pays tribute to his daughter Alyssa after her tragic passing. This deeply personal project was acquired for worldwide distribution by Gravitas Ventures and had its world premiere at Cinequest in March 2021.

Now D. Mitry has a new film on the horizon: “Hedgehog”. This short film explores the conflict between Ukrainian and Russian forces through the eyes of a young girl and a wounded soldier. D. Mitry discusses the challenges of telling a powerful story with minimal words and allowing images and stillness to speak for themselves. He emphasizes the importance of building a strong "movie family" of passionate collaborators who share a love for the project.

And what about those top three tools for filmmakers? D. Mitry's first tool is "Economy of Writing," which means using every element of your story to its fullest potential to avoid overwriting. This is especially important for indie filmmakers who must be resourceful and conscientious about their budget. His second tool describes "movie family" as a group of collaborators who share a love for the project and thus can weather any challenges that come their way. Finally, D. Mitry stresses the importance of choosing a story that speaks to one on a personal level and has the power to make an impact in the world.

So buckle up, folks, and get ready for a thrilling ride through the world of narrative filmmaking with D. Mitry on Documentary First!

Social Media Links for The Hedgehog Film

Website: https://www.thehedgehogfilm.com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehedgehogfilm/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheHedgehogFilm

** DocuView Déjà Vu:

Dmitry: “Reggie's Forest” & “The Girl Who Wore Freedom”

Reggie’s Forest IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14014074/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

The Girl Who Wore Freedom: https://thegirlwhoworefreedom.com/

Jason: The Prestige TV Podcast - Episodes discussing Season 4 of “Barry” on HBO - Discussions with the director and actor.

Link: https://open.spotify.com/episode/7ggiKF2wHHPcbyRAYbJO4o?si=94f568975f2d4571

Christian: "Eyewitness: D-Day", 2019, 44 mins

IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10885884/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Quick Company Update:

On May 19, 2023, the Doc First team will be attending the 80th Anniversary Ball for the 101st Airborne Division at the Opryland Hotel in Nashville, TN which is open to anyone in the community (Tickets for “Community Invitees” are $105). The next day, May 20th, there will be a screening of "The Girl Who Wore Freedom" at the 101st Airborne home in Fort Campbell, Kentucky (Follow our socials for more details). Christian will be attending both events and then heading to Normandy for D-Day with World War II veterans on a Delta charter flight. Thanks to a wonderful partner at the 101st ABD (Air Assault), we are collaborating with the division on Instagram, as they share our micro-docs to raise awareness and build our audience. We encourage you to follow our journey on Instagram (@documentaryfirst), Facebook (Documentary First), Twitter (@doc_first), and TikTok (@documentaryfirst).

00:00 - 02:52 - Introduction

02:52 - D. Mitry’s Bio

03:34 - The Hedgehog Film Synopsis

04:34 - Christian & Jason share their experience of viewing Hedgehog.

13:30 - Toolkit item number 3 - Story (Part 1)

14:25 - Toolkit item number 1 - Economic Writing

24:21 - Toolkit time number 2 - A Movie Family

34:35 - Toolkit time number 3 - Story (part 2)

36:32 - Jason asks about D. Mitry’s vision and what actually made it to the screen

39:05 - Christian shares what she thinks is D. Mitry’s best tool.

39:50 - The film festival run for The Hedgehog Film

42:21 - Praise and thanks for family, cast & crew - it takes “a movie family”

45:37 - DocuView Déjà Vu

51:32 - A quick update

Discover the Top 5 things every filmmaker needs to know to succeed in this dynamic industry. From mastering the distribution business by staying updated with trade publications, to immersing yourself in diverse movies from all eras to learn from the masters, Joe's advice is practical and eye-opening.

Understand how film marketing in the digital era has changed as traditional print media is no longer dominant. Learn how to effectively promote your film using social media and other modern strategies to get the word out and attract audiences.

Joe explains that as a filmmaker, you're not just an artist, you're also a businessperson. Setting clear objectives for your film, whether to gain exposure, make money, or reach a wide audience will enhance your workflow.

If you're a filmmaker looking to thrive in today's ever-evolving landscape, this episode is a must-listen. Gain valuable insights from Joe Amodei's wealth of experience and elevate your understanding of the multifaceted world of filmmaking. Get ready to be inspired, educated, and motivated to take your film career to new heights.

Time Codes

0:00 - Jason introduces Joe

1:08 - Transformation of the film industry over the years

2:07 - How Joe has seen the film industry change over the last 20 years.

8:22 - Renting movies vs owning movies

9:18 - Christian shares a VHS story

13:20 - How did Netflix react to the streaming revolution?

19:20 - Knowing the business of business

25:18 - Advertising your film to your audience

28:48 - The 4 Top Trades to read

29:41 - Christian parallels the film industry with the acting industry - understand your market

30:41 - Top 5 Things: 1. Learn the distribution business as best you can, get every trade and read them. (Listen to the episode to hear which ones!)

33:18 - 2. Watch movies, all kinds, all the time from all ages, learn the masters.

35:35 - 3. Educate yourself on film marketing, and how in a no print world, you can get the word out about your film, learn social media.

37:25 - Christian shares a real life scenario

42:14 - 4. Determine your objective with your film. Have people see it? Make money? Exposure? Determine your objective before you even start, and make a plan to achieve it.

44:57 - 5. When you make a film you're opening a business. You must understand the basic principles of business in order to achieve your goals.

50:19 - DocuView Déjà Vu

Joe: Fire of Love, 2022, 98 mins, IMDB: Fire of Love (2022) - IMDb

Christian: Sr., 2022, 89 mins, IMDB: Sr. (2022) - IMDb

With Jason’s extensive background in animation, Christian questions Jason about how animation works and they discuss the history, as well as the pros and cons of using animation in documentary storytelling.

Referencing this article, Christian and Jason unpack how the animation revival mentioned is still relevant in today’s filmmaking. Additionally, they dive into the various aspects of animation and motion graphics within storytelling and film making with these various examples:

The Sinking of the “Lusitania”

“Ryan” a short by Chris Landreth (2004)

They also discuss costs of animation referencing these films:

“A Head Shorter” by Sasha Bortnik

“An Inconvenient Time" - The Story of Ruth Ravina

“Chicago 10“ by Brett Morgen

DocuView Déjà Vu:

Jason: “Ryan” a short by Chris Landreth (2004) IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0414469/?ref_=fn_al_tt_12

Christian: "MH370: The Plane that Disappeared", Series, 2023, IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt26739535/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Timecodes:

02:20 - Jason Rugg’s Bio

04:19 - Motion Graphics vs Animation

06:00 - Motion Capture vs Live Animation

10:20 - Math & Animation

12:55 - The rebirth/resurgence of animation in documentary film making with examples

23:00 - The cost of animation, examples and styles such as “parallaxing”

30:57 - Striking the right balance between animation and story asking questions like do you have an art director or an illustrator?

40:06 - Advice from Jason about where to start with animation if you are interested in using this medium in your storytelling, including finding the right style of animation to compliment your story

45:43 - DocuView Déjà Vu

47:46 - Update & Wrap up

Plus, with the 2023 Oscars fresh on our minds, we delve into the winners, losers and what we think this year's Oscars might mean for the future of filmmaking. Is the Academy still relevant? And how does a film get nominated? Join us for this fascinating conversation, and don't forget to check out our bonus segment on the future of the film industry, exclusively available to our Patreon supporters.

DocuView Déjà Vu Segment

Jason: "Glitch: The Rise & Fall of HQ Trivia", 2023, HBO Max https://www.imdb.com/title/tt26618018/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_5

Zach: "All The Beauty and The Bloodshed", 2022, 122 mins, Prime Video https://www.imdb.com/title/tt21374850/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_2

Christian: "Chicken People", 2016, 83 mins https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4819510/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Conversation Time Codes:

00:30 - Zach Callaghan Bio

01:37 - Zach gives a writing update on the Taking Carentan Project

02:26 - Flo Plana came to town and gives some great suggestions to deepen the story lines of “Taking Carentan”

04:37 - Jason poses an idea for an episode - "What makes a good sizzle?"

05:58 - Topic adjustments including "Reflections on life and filming" - How life impacts or happens in the process of making a film.

10:47 - Creativity & Emotions - thoughts by Zach & Jason

13:47 - Where do creative story ideas come from?

15:48 - Christian shares about her experience a the "Patrick Live On Film Festival & Fundraiser" in the Chicago area. In particular, one short film "Fraser Syndrome and Me" had a profound impact and she was able to meet the film maker. Along with a new realization about the power of documentary films.

26:18 - Raffles, Raffles, Raffles - Christian wins 3 and 2 of those were film packages that will help with the May filming in Fort Campbell for "Taking Carentan"

27:07 - The morning after the Oscars show. The team recaps the Oscars and wonders whether this year is an indication of a changing industry

39:06 Jason Rugg was reminded of this video during the Oscars recap: Maggie Rogers - folk / Alaska (Pharrell's feedback)

41:30 - Does the Academy really matter?

48:20 - How film festivals tie into the Academy Awards and the money required to get a nomination to the Oscars.

55:02 - DocuView Déjà Vu Segment

59:45 - A quick Film update from Christian

Chad Gilchrist, grip and lighting guru extraordinaire, and Director of Photography for “Taking Carentan”, joins the podcast today to talk about the Top 5 skills every cinematographer needs to develop in order to be successful.

Before we get into the episode, I wanted to let you know we’re starting something really new. We have extra bonus content exclusively for our Patreon supporters. And this week, it’s going to be an extended interview with Chad talking about his work on Steven Spielberg’s favorite show of the year, “The Bear”. You don’t want to miss this!

Chad comes to the team with an amazing wealth of knowledge and skills from a variety of projects with some pretty impressive films.

This episode’s focus is on The Top 5 Skills every aspiring cinematographer needs to develop and why those skills are important.

> Tip No.1: Develop a strong network. Build friendships and relationships. There is a ripple effect in networking. A key to networking is not seeing what one can get out of it for him or herself. The question rather is: Am I genuinely curious about other people?

There really is a butterfly effect. You don’t know where and when the fruits will blossom from the seeds that you planted years ago, but it is always important to keep planting seeds.

> Tip No.2: Learn the techniques, technical skills, and then remember that it’s about how you use them.

“Creativity with what you have is filmmaking…Make it great with what you have” – Jason Rugg

> Tip No.3: Go do the thing!

> Tip No.4: Learn great communication. It matters how you manage people, it matters how you communicate, learning how to work with others is critical to success.

> Tip No.5: Be flexible and adaptable. Filmmaking is never the thing that you pictured it being – ever.

Chad and Jason expound on technology and resources useful to them from experience. They give a couple of situations when networking was a good thing for them to do.

The team shares some resources available for listeners:

Roger Deakin's Cinematography Books: https://www.rogerdeakins.com/ 

Dale Carnegie’s book, "How to Win Friends and Influence People": https://www.dalecarnegie.com/en/resources/how-to-win-friends-and-influence-people-chapter-1

ASC: https://theasc.com/

Brent Forrester's Online Classes: https://www.brentforrester.com/

DocuView Déjà Vu

Chad: Navalny, 2022, 1hr 39mins, HBO Max IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt17041964/

Jason: YouTube videos – 2 parts called “Halo four is worse than you remember” Part 1 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjZMRcpbK2E Part 2 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2XcD7BV95E

Christian: World War II in Color, 2009, Series, 13 Episodes (51 mins each): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2069688/

05:37 – Tip 1 “Networking/ Connections/Community” 15:37 – Tip 2 “Technical Skills” 22:45 – Tip 3 ” Go do the thing – build your portfolio” 27:00 – Tip 4 “Communication – learning how to work with others” 29:09 – Tip 5 “Being flexible and adaptable” 34:19 – Resources for listeners 40:14 – DocuView Déjà Vu 45:23 – New DVD now available for purchase.

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