They talk through real-life moments: learning how to communicate clearly, navigating boundaries, and discovering what each person actually needs.

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This episode of Early Access: Roots explores the evolving relationship between a mother and daughter through the lens of the Enneagram. Katie Whitlock sits down with Jennifer (Type Two) and her daughter Skyler (Type One) to unpack how personality, parenting, and personal growth intersect over time. They talk about family dynamics, anxiety, identity, and the challenges of loving someone well when their needs differ from your own instincts.

In this first Early Access family episode, Katie Whitlock sits down with a mother–daughter pair to explore how the Enneagram plays out inside real relationships.

Jen (Enneagram 3) and Olivia (Enneagram 1) bring both depth and honesty as they reflect on their shared history—shaped by achievement, responsibility, and a deep desire to “do things right.” From childhood dynamics and sibling comparisons to adult friendship and mutual respect, this conversation traces how their relationship has evolved across seasons of life.

Together, they unpack the unique strengths of a 3–1 pairing—drive, alignment, and shared vision—alongside the tensions: judgment, emotional restraint, and the pressure to perform.

In this episode of Early Access, Katie Whitlock talks with Blake Walker, an Enneagram Nine, about the quiet patterns that shape her life—from avoiding conflict to merging with others’ goals, to the slow realization that her own voice matters.

Blake reflects on marriage, motherhood, and building a life that at times felt more aligned with others than herself. Along the way, they explore the Nine’s relationship to energy, anger, and purpose—revealing both the strength and struggle of a type that longs for peace but often loses itself in the process.

We talk about several differences between 3 and 9, and spend a lot of time diving into what it means for a 9 to "wake up" and start chasing after their own life.

Luke has an incredible knack for explaining difficult concepts, so this is a good one to listen to if you want to understand the 9s in your life.

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Emma shares how she first found the Enneagram through podcasts, what it was like to recognize herself as a Six, and how that discovery helped make sense of patterns she had carried for years. Together, Katie and Emma explore the inner world of Sixes: the search for safety, the struggle to trust themselves, the experience of rumination, and the deep need to find what feels “just right.”

They also talk about Emma’s relationship with her boyfriend, an Enneagram Three, the differences between Six and Three achievement, and how the Enneagram helps illuminate the push and pull of connection. Along the way, Emma reflects on growing up between cultures, including her childhood in Saudi Arabia, and shares how an early medical emergency became one of the defining moments in her relationship to preparedness and control.

There are a few seconds of audio issues around the 47 minute mark (we had some technical problems during recording), but hopefully you all can still understand!

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Kristen works in the arts world at a museum—fundraising, grant writing, and building programs—and brings that same creative, community-minded energy into the way she understands personality, trust, and belonging.

Together, they explore what “security” actually means for Sixes when it isn’t just about money or logistics, but about being emotionally grounded—knowing where you stand with people, having clarity, and feeling steady inside your own skin.

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Imogen shares how she found the Enneagram through a friend, why she identifies as a Five without tests, and how “avarice” shows up as a fierce protection of time, energy, space, and purpose.

Together they explore the Five’s impulse to offer information as a form of connection, the tension between deep internal emotion and discomfort with outward emotional exchange, and the relief that comes when the Enneagram gives a framework for accepting difference.

We talk about the different ways that 4s can show up in the world, including the effect of wings and family dynamics.

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With care and honesty, Jeremy shares the long arc of his journey, including the trauma of surviving a violent attack that took the life of his closest friend, and the slow, difficult work of carrying grief without letting it hollow him out.

Warning: this episode includes graphic discussion of violence and domestic abuse and is not appropriate for children or sensitive listeners.

From there, the episode pivots into healing: what it means for Fours to realize they’re already “glorious,” to stop chasing constant extraordinariness, and to learn how the ordinary can still hold real beauty. The conversation also gets timely, exploring how social media and algorithm-driven platforms raise the threshold for what feels meaningful—flattening art, attention, and even identity into “what will perform.” Jeremy offers a grounded, artist’s critique of the attention economy, and Jeff closes by teeing up a part two—because they only scratched the surface of Jeremy’s story.

We talk about what it feels like to present only your best self, slowing down, and the benefits of joining enneagram spaces.

In this Early Access episode, Katie Whitlock sits down with Meg—32, a Type Three, newly certified as an Enneagram teacher through the Narrative Enneagram, and also a practicing therapist who integrates the Enneagram into her counseling work.

Meg and Katie explore what it actually takes to become certified in the Narrative tradition (typing interviews, guided questions, hosting panels, and learning through lived stories rather than “textbook types”), along with the posture behind it: typing as an offering, not a verdict. From there the conversation turns personal and very Three-specific—how Meg’s “threeness” formed in evangelical spaces where vulnerability and spiritual performance carried social reward, how stage leadership (worship leading) sharpened her instincts, and how the real work isn’t talking about feelings—it’s staying in the body long enough to feel them.

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We discuss anxiety (and why it doesn’t always apply to all reactive types), trusting yourself, and what it means to experience true intuition.

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We talk about being the eldest daughter/cousin, feeling responsible for others and their choices, and meeting our problems with action. We also get into the different ways that we deal with grief.

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In this Early Access episode, Katie introduces the next chapter of the series: additional interviews with each Enneagram number, beginning with a rich Type One conversation featuring Natasha. Natasha shares her journey into the Enneagram, her experience of body-centered intuition, and how Ones navigate anger, resentment, and the urge to fix entire systems rather than small parts. Together, Katie and Natasha explore the deep emotional life of Ones, the difference between thinking and feeling, and why growing in self-awareness is both liberating and humbling.

Joleen shares how she first met the Enneagram through a flimsy one-paragraph description of Sixes, why it didn’t stick at first, and how returning to the Enneagram years later (after a deep love affair with Myers-Briggs) completely changed the way she saw herself.

She and Katie unpack why the Enneagram goes deeper than Myers-Briggs—naming why we do what we do—and what it means that your number doesn’t change, even as you grow.

Together they tease apart the frequent mistype between Sixes, Threes, and Eights, looking at stance, energy, and especially what happens under stress: Six “six-ing out,” Three-ish sabotage, and how integrity, community, and fear show up differently in each type. Joleen opens up about the Six “committee,” the terror of being wrong, the longing for secure community, and how motherhood helped her finally trust her own judgment.

They close by reframing Sixes not as “the anxious ones,” but as people whose consideration of others is a superpower.

Sara unpacks the difference between physical retreat (car, corner, time-out) and an emotional shutdown that feels like a cloud rolling over the mind. She explains why Fives can be read as “cold,” how she “thinks her feelings,” and the quiet cost of borrowing energy in crisis (the post-help crash and “overdraft fees”).

They dig into doing-repression, limited access to the Feeling center, the embarrassment of visible excitement, boundaries around who gets her bandwidth, and how naming facts can be a bridge back to emotions.

Timothy speaks openly about chasing music dreams, choosing others’ projects over his own, rebuilding marriage, and learning to trust therapy without letting a test define him.

Together they unpack shame for 2-3-4s, an Idealist's frustration with reality, and the difference between being understood and being accepted.

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There is some scratchy audio in the first five minutes of this podcast, but I promise that it quickly gets fixed!

Up next, 2s! 

Rebecca Dollard, founder of The Motherhood Mentor, is a somatic healing practitioner that helps high-achieving women and mothers who “have it all together” but feel disconnected inside. Through somatic healing, nervous-system-based coaching, and enneagram she guides them to expand their capacity, soften their edges, and lead with power and presence.

Links: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-motherhood-mentor/id1735994095

P.S. for anyone who may have noticed, we've skipped 1s. We will release the episode on 1s later on in this series, we promise!

Katie sits down with Veronica, a 32-year-old Enneagram One and R&D scientist in Chicago, to trace how Ones learn to trust their gut, make room for gray, and respond to what’s needed. Veronica shares her path into the Enneagram, the “responsive stance” in a family with no assertive types, and why Ones often look “negative” when they’re actually reaching for what could be better.

They compare One and Six problem-solving, One and Three achievement, and talk anger as “what happens when things don’t go your way”—and what to do with it. Veronica names how therapy helped her drop performative goodness, navigate work mistakes without collapse, and show up for people over perfection.

In this week’s episode, Katie talks to Rev. Andrew Bowles (he/him), a Certified Narrative Enneagram Teacher, professional member of the International Enneagram Association, ordained minister, and experienced healthcare chaplain. We talk about why 5s and 9s look so similar, what it really feels like to feel like your presence doesn’t matter, and we also get into the worldview of each type (which means that there’s a nugget of gold to be found in this episode for every number!)

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We talk about the difference between anger and rage, how your childhood environment sticks with you, and get into some differences between 6 and 8.

In this discussion on Early Access, host Katie Whitlock sits down with her close friend Michael —an Ironman-in-training, soon-to-be husband, and a reluctant but curious student of the Enneagram.

Together they explore what it’s like to be “typed” when you’re not sure of your number, walking through hallmark traits of Enneagram Sevens and how they show up in Michael’s life.

From balancing a jam-packed calendar with his craving for freedom, to reframing hard emotions, to navigating relationships with his fiancée and family, Michael offers a candid look at the gifts and struggles of living in the “positive half” of life.

If you’ve ever wondered what it feels like to test-drive an Enneagram type in real time—or to see how the framework lands with someone who resists being put in a box—this honest, funny, and insightful conversation is for you.

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