Originally released in 1981 by Dramatis — the band formed by Chris Payne, Rrussell Bell, Denis Haines and Cedric Sharpley after Gary’s temporary retirement from touring — the track featured Gary on lead vocals and became their biggest chart hit, reaching number 33 in the UK.

I talk about how I rediscovered the song during a recent trip to Brussels (and a very successful record shop haul), why it meant so much to me as an 8-year-old discovering Gary through the Best Of cassette, and why this track still holds a special place in my top 10.

Musically, I break down what makes the song so distinctive — the haunting synth intro, Ced’s drums, Russell’s guitar, Chris Payne’s viola, and that brilliant early-80s synth-pop atmosphere. But lyrically, it’s even more interesting. As Rrussell Bell confirmed to me in a previous interview, the song wasn’t really a romantic love song at all — it was written about their time touring with Gary.

I look at how the lyrics take on new meaning in that context: the touring references, the emotional bond between bandmates, and the reassurance that “love needs no disguise” even after Gary stepped away.

Plus, I revisit the video shoot at Shepperton Studios, read out your brilliant fan memories (so many of you were in that video!), and reflect on why this song remains quietly emotional and underrated.

In this episode of Electric Friends: A Gary Numan Podcast, I do something a little different. Instead of speaking to band members or collaborators from Gary’s world, I sit down with one of his most passionate famous fans — Lee Murray from Let Loose.

Lee and I talk about his journey through music, from growing up glued to Top of the Pops to finding his own success in the 1990s as part of Let Loose, the band behind the huge hit ‘Crazy for You’. He opens up about the long road to success, being mislabelled as a boyband, record deals that fell apart, and the pressure that came with sudden fame — before finding a healthier, more joyful relationship with music in later years.

At the heart of the conversation is Gary Numan. Lee shares how seeing Gary on Top of the Pops changed everything for him — how Gary “looked how I felt”, and why that sense of otherness made such a powerful connection. We talk about first gigs, the Warriors tour, idol-to-friend moments, and the surreal experience of eventually supporting Gary on tour.

Lee also reflects honestly on mental health, regret, stepping away at the wrong time, and how Gary’s openness and kindness left a lasting impression on him. It’s a warm, thoughtful and often emotional conversation about fandom, creativity, resilience and why Gary inspires such deep loyalty across generations.

If you love Gary Numan, 90s pop history, or hearing artists speak candidly about fame and its realities, this episode is for you.

In this episode I dive into one of the most unexpected Gary Numan surprises of recent years — the release of Like a B-Film, a previously unheard Telekon-era demo that suddenly appeared via the 45th anniversary re-issue.

I explain how the track appeared almost out of nowhere. Very quickly, it became clear this was genuine: raw 1980 synth textures, unfinished edges, and Gary’s unmistakable vocal — a time capsule suddenly dropped into the present.

The episode looks closely at the lyric sheet shared by fans online, lines that shrink humanity into “little pictures,” reference “B-films” and deadened media culture, and land on stark declarations like we are broken, we are shattered, we are glass. I discuss how the imagery hints at emotional numbness, voyeurism and disconnection — themes that would later define tracks like I Dream of Wires and Remind Me to Smile.

We also hear Gary himself address the track at Hammersmith — admitting he doesn’t remember writing it, joking that it probably didn’t make the album “because it’s happy,” and marvelling at Beggars Banquet uncovering a demo he’d forgotten.

The episode includes reactions from fans comparing the sound to John Foxx, celebrating the synth tones, and debating whether it ever would have sat comfortably on Telekon — or whether saving it has made the surprise even sweeter.

I also preview other demos on the anniversary release, and reflect on why unheard material still excites Numan fans after four decades.

The episode reflects on John’s incredible life — from joining Tubeway Army as a teenager to performing on stage across the world, before embarking on a second remarkable career as a professional pilot and aerobatics display leader.

Through archive clips and personal memories, I celebrate John’s warmth, humour and creativity. We hear about Gary’s emotional statement following his Birmingham show, where he broke down during 'Please Push No More' after receiving the tragic news. Gary later described his brother as “someone I loved more than the world,” a sentiment shared by so many who knew him.

I revisit highlights from my interview with John, including stories of playing with Tubeway Army at the Roxy Club at just 12 years old, touring with Gary through the 80s, and the time Queen’s Roger Taylor borrowed his drum kit during the recording of Dance.

The episode also celebrates John’s later musical work as Donovan Silver, his album Alpha, and his return to live performance after nearly three decades.

The story behind Gary Numan’s first ever single ‘That’s Too Bad’ — from punk beginnings to sci-fi storytelling and the birth of Tubeway Army.

In this episode of Electric Friends: A Gary Numan Podcast, I take us right back to where it all began — 1978’s That’s Too Bad, the very first Tubeway Army single that launched the career of one of Britain’s most original and influential artists.

Before the synths, the fame and Are ‘Friends’ Electric?, Gary was a teenager playing in bands like Mean Street and The Lasers. It was during those early sessions that Tubeway Army was born — with Paul Gardiner on bass and Gary’s uncle Jess Lidyard on drums — and punk attitude collided with futuristic imagination.

I explore how That’s Too Bad captured that moment perfectly: a raw, nervy, paranoid slice of late-70s punk with flashes of the science-fiction world Numan would soon make his own. With lyrics about surveillance, alienation and fractured identity, the track already hinted at the themes that would define his later classics like Down in the Park and Metal.

Featuring Gary’s own reflections on signing with Beggars Banquet, working at WHSmith up to release day, and even his brief spell under the name Valerian, this episode digs into the single’s evolution — from its rough demo on The Plan to the sharper 1978 version.

There’s also listener memories from lifelong fans, from discovering the blue vinyl Tubeway Army album to hearing That’s Too Bad live decades later.

Plus, I share the latest Numan news — including the surprise discovery of a previously unheard Telekon track, Like a B Film.

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Raven has released six excellent tracks in recent months, including 'My Reflection' and 'Just a Number', having worked with Gary's producer Ade Fenton.

In this interview, Raven opens up about having a pop icon as her dad, following his footsteps into music, how music has helped with her mental health, her love of Nine Inch Nails, plans for her debut album and much more.

Ade has worked with Gary on all his albums since 2006's Jagged, and is currently working on Gary's latest album - with the reworks of Sacrifice, Exile and Pure coming soon.

In the podcast, Ade discusses:

• How Numan's music first inspired him to get into the industry
• How he first met Gary and the first tracks he worked on
• How he deals with criticisms from some Numan fans
• What fans can expect for upcoming new releases from Gary
• Working with Gary's daughter Raven on her first album
• His work on film soundtracks and whether Gary would ever do the same
• Much more!

What will be number one? I won't give it away here, but do you agree?

From its real-life inspirations and other theories to the album's sound as a whole, it's time to head back to 1981 and for one Gary's best ever LPs.

For this episode, we look back at Paul Gardiner's solo single 'Stormtrooper in Drag', co-written with Gary Numan and with Gary on lead vocals.

The underrated track about drug use and loneliness showcased the lost potential of the late Paul Gardiner, and gave Numan fans a look at what was to come on the Dance album, as well as some fresh music after his farewell concerts in 1981.

I look back at Paul's other tracks, Gary's reaction to his death aged just 25, the song's cover versions and lyrics meaning.

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In case you didn’t know - Rrussell is a prolific musician, composer and comedy writer. After graduating in Physics at London University, he joined Tubeway Army in 1979 - first appearing on record on 1980’s We Are Glass. He would then spend the next 10 years recording with Gary and touring the world in his band. He would then go on to form the band Dramatis alongside Chris Payne, Ced Sharpley and Denis Haines.

Also a seasoned session player, he is also an award winning jingle writer, worked as a musical director for BSB, and has worked on many film and TV projects. This includes acting, stand-up comedy and script-writing for people such as Craig Charles and Keith Allen. He released his first EP Like a Human in 2019.

Rrussell very kindly agreed to be on the show, and I hope you enjoy this special interview!

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Tom invites Rrussell Bell, a prolific musician and former member of Gary Numan's band, to share his experiences and insights from his extensive career. Rrussell reflects on his early days in the entertainment world, growing up in a family of performers, and how that shaped his artistic journey. He discusses his transition from an aspiring guitarist to joining Tubeway Army, highlighting the challenges and excitement of auditioning for Gary Numan. The conversation delves into memorable moments from their tours, including the immense popularity of Numan in the late '70s and the exhilarating atmosphere of live performances. Rrussell also touches on his diverse career beyond music, including writing jingles and comedy, and hints at upcoming projects with Dramatis, emphasizing his enduring passion for creating music.

Takeaways:

• Rrussell Bell discusses his early life growing up in a family of entertainers, including trapeze artists and comedians.
• He shares how he first became a fan of Gary Numan after seeing him perform on television during the 1970s.
• Bell highlights the unique experience of touring with Gary Numan, recalling the excitement and challenges of live performances.
• The recording process for albums with Numan involved a collaborative effort, allowing band members to contribute creatively.
• Bell reflects on the bittersweet feelings surrounding the end of Numan's career during the Wembley gigs, leading to the formation of Jamatis.
• His diverse career spans music, comedy writing, and jingles, showcasing his multifaceted talent in the entertainment industry.

For this episode of Electric Friends, I look back at one of Gary Numan's first ever projects - a TV advert jingle!

Gary recorded a short track called 'Don't Be a Dummy' for Lee Cooper jeans, which became very popular in 1979, just before he found fame with 'Are Friends Electric?'.

This episode delves into the making of the song, why Gary didn't record a full version, the cover single by John Du Cann, Gary's other advert attempts and more.

Clips used:

• Tubeway Army/Gary Numan - 'Don't be a Dummy'
• Tubeway Army - 'Something's in the House'
• John Du Cann - 'Don't be a Dummy'
• Gary Numan - '7 Up'
• Gary Numan - 'Cars (Premier Mix)'
• Lee Cooper advert (Dummies to the Left)

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Bill Sharpe is a classically trained pianist and jazz rock musician, who once worked alongside John Peel at the BBC and Trevor Horn in an early band. In 1980, he co-founded the band Shakatak, who scored many big hits around the world with their brand of post-disco jazz-funk.

In 1985, he teamed up with Gary Numan on what was meant to be a one-off single, but later turned into several songs, and a whole album - with 1989’s Automatic. He is a prolific songwriter and musician, who has collaborated with many other stars over the years, and is still performing with Shakatak today.

In the episode, Bill discusses:

• How he came to work with Gary Numan and their writing processes
• The unreleased demos he made with Gary after Automatic - could they ever be released?
• How Shakatak came about
• His friendship with John Peel

Clips used:

• Shakatak - Steppin'
• Shakatak - Easier Said than Done (TOTP)
• Sharpe & Numan - Change Your Mind
• Sharpe & Numan - New Thing from London Town
• Sharpe & Numan - No More Lies
• Shakatak - Nightbirds (TOTP)

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Tom interviews Bill Sharpe, a member of the iconic band Shakatak, delving into his illustrious career and his unique collaboration with Gary Numan. The discussion highlights how their partnership began almost by chance when Sharpe was working on a solo album and reached out to Numan, leading to the creation of the hit "Change Your Mind." Sharpe reflects on his classical training and early influences in music, detailing the evolution of Shakatak and their rise to fame with hits like "Easier Said Than Done." The conversation reveals the challenges faced in the music industry, including the ups and downs of record label support, and the lasting impact of their work together. Listeners gain insight into Sharpe's passion for music, the dynamics of collaboration, and the joy of performing live, demonstrating that the spirit of creativity remains vibrant even after decades in the industry.

Takeaways:

• Bill Sharp discusses his classical music background and journey into jazz and funk.
• The formation of Shakatak was influenced by diverse musical experiences and collaborations.
• Bill shares the serendipitous collaboration with Gary Numan that led to successful tracks.
• The creative process behind 'Change Your Mind' involved innovative studio techniques and remixing.
• Sharp reflects on the band's global success and their enduring appeal in the music industry.
• He expresses disappointment over the lack of promotion for the album they created together.

For this episode of Electric Friends, I look back at Gary Numan's 1985 album The Fury, and in particular its lead single 'Your Fascination'.

Including:

• How Gary continued his funk/industrial style from Berserker
• How radio continued to ignore him despite being a funky banger
• How he turned to co-producers and took on a new songwriting technique for the album
• Its music video co-starring his then-girlfriend
• Theories to what the song is about

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - Your Fascination
• Gary Numan - Miracles
• Gary Numan - Tricks
• Retrosound - PPG Wave Soundscapes II
• Gary Numan - Revolution (audiobook)

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For this episode, I look back at one of Gary Numan's best-known and best-loved songs, 'Metal', from 1979's The Pleasure Principle.

The track was the first song on the album with lyrics, and was inspired by the writings of Philip K Dick, about a machine with a desire to be human.

The perfect synthpop track was never a single, but it became one of Gary Numan's most-performed songs, and was later covered and sampled by a number of artists, most notably by Trent Reznor's Nine Inch Nails.

The episode looks at:

• What 'Metal' is all about
• Its somewhat forgotten music video
• Why it was never released as a single
• The various live versions
• When Gary performed it with Nine Inch Nails in 2009

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - Metal
• The Beach Boys - Do It Again
• Gary Numan - Metal (live, 1979)
• Gary Numan - Metal (live, 1986)
• Gary Numan - Metal (live, 2018)
• Gary Numan - Metal 98
• Gary Numan - Moral
• Gary Numan - Revolution (audiobook)
• Tubeway Army - The Crazies
• Tubeway Army - We Have a Technical
• Nine Inch Nails - Metal
• Nine Inch Nails - Metal (live, 2009)
• Planet Funk - Who Said
• Afrika Bambaataa - Metal
• Nouvelle Vague - Metal
• Poppy - Metal

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Donovan opens up about his close bond with older brother Gary, what it was like growing up with him and the first time he joined Tubeway Army on stage as a 12-year-old.

He also speaks about joining the band full-time as a teenager and their various tours, as well as working alongside Queen legend Roger Taylor on drums.

Donovan also gives a fascinating account of his impressive aviation career, as well as his return to music, including his most recent album Alpha.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)
• Tubeway Army live at the Roxy - Boys (1977)
• Gary Numan - Remind Me to Smile (live, 1983)
• Gary Numan - Crash
• John Webb - The Experiment of Love
• Donovan Silver - Alpha
• Tubeway Army - Me! I Disconnect from You

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For this episode, we travel way back to one of Gary Numan's first songs. 'My Shadow in Vain' was written before Tubeway Army even existed, and it went on to become one of his most performed songs ever.

This episode delves into the different versions of the song, from its punk origins to the 2002 hard rock version. We also hear from Gary as he explains how Tubeway Army came to be, and the meaning behind the song.

Clips used:

• Tubeway Army - My Shadow in Vain
• Tubeway Army - My Shadow in Vain (The Plan version)
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)
• Tubeway Army - My Shadow in Vain (live, 1977)
• Tubeway Army - Something's in the House
• Gary Numan - My Shadow in Vain (2002 version)
• Gary Numan - My Shadow in Vain (live, 1979)
• Gary Numan - My Shadow in Vain (live, 1984)

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Andy made a name for himself in the early 90s in the growing dance music scene, with his remixes and work with his group Amoeba Assassin, and for his work with Paul Oakenfold’s Perfecto label. He has gone on to produce or remix music by a wide range of artists such as The Human League, Tori Amos, New ORder, Tears for Fears, Moby, U2, John Foxx and many more.

He is also a prolific film and TV soundtrack composer, on projects such as Swordfish, Get Carter and Hunters, and he also composed and produced the iconic Big Brother theme in the UK.

He has also had a long association with Gary Numan, whom he counts as a good friend. He has collaborated and remixed Gary’s music many times, including appearances on the Hybrid, Jagged and Dead Son Rising albums. In particular, he remixed the brilliant version of A Prayer for the Unborn, which we hear at pretty much every Gary Numan gig today.

I caught up with Andy to talk about his career, how Gary’s music inspired him as a youth, and what his experiences of working with Gary have been, and what we can look forward to in the future.

Clips used:

• Tubeway Army - Are Friends Electric?
• Amoeba Assassin - Rollercoaster
• The Human League - Tell Me When
• Elementfour - Big Brother Theme
• Gary Numan - Listen to My Voice (Andy Gray remix)
• Gary Numan - A Prayer for the Unborn (Andy Gray remix)
• Gary Numan - Are Friends Electric (Andy Gray remix)
• Gary Numan - Ancients
• Andy Gray & Gary Numan - For You

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In 1997, Gary Numan followed his career-rebooting Sacrifice album with the critically-acclaimed Exile. It was the closest thing to a concept album that he had recorded, delving into a world where God and the Devil were the same.

In this episode, I look back at perhaps its most well-known song, 'Dark'. Including:

• An exclusive clip of my interview with Gary back in 2017, talking about whether he would ever make film soundtracks
• Its use in the 1998 film Dark City
• The epic storyline of Exile and how it compares to Sacrifice

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - Dark
• Gary Numan - Dark (Andy Gray rework)
• Gary Numan - Innocence Bleeding
• Dark City
• Gary Numan - Dead Heaven

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Chris joined Tubeway Army back in 1979 just before 'Are Friends Electric' was released, and stayed with Gary's band for the albums Replicas, The Pleasure Principle and Telekon, and continued performing with Gary's live band for the rest of the 1980s.

He also co-wrote Visage's 'Fade to Grey', and has been a prolific composer and conductor of classical, cinematic and medieval music over the past few decades.

In the interview, Chris speaks about first meeting and auditioning for Gary, his musical background, his time as part of Dramatis, reuniting with Gary and much more. He also answers YOUR questions!

Thank you to Chris for giving up your time for this interview, it was awesome speaking to you at such length.

Clips used:

• Tubeway Army - Are Friends Electric? (Old Grey Whistle Test)
• Gary Numan - Complex
• Gary Numan - We Are Glass
• Gary Numan - M.E. (live, 1980)
• Tubeway Army - Down in the Park
• Dramatis - Love Needs No Disguise
• Dramatis - Take Me Home
• Gary Numan - The Fury tour
• Gary Numan - Complex (live, 2009)
• Gary Numan - M.E. (live, 2022)
• Chris Payne - Declamation
• Zaine Griff & Chris Payne - Cars
• Chris Payne - Early Dance

In this episode, we look back at the Telekon album track 'Remind Me to Smile' from 1980. The electropop banger is still a live favourite, but it wasn't released a single. Or was it?

We take a look at how Gary's struggles with fame and fandom influenced the song, his strange experience with hardcore fans back then and more.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - 'Remind Me to Smile'
• Gary Numan - 'Remind Me to Smile' (live, 2004)

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Its second single 'I Can't Stop' was a bombastic radio friendly track that deserved more radio attention at the time, and it was the first vinyl single I bought 10+ years after its release.

This episode delves into the song's history, and the making of the Strange Charm album, including Radio 1's gaslighting of Gary, why the music video was "terrible" according to Gary, and more.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - 'I Can't Stop'
• Gary Numan - 'My Breathing'
• Radio 1 Chart Show, June 1986
• Gary Numan - 'Faces'
• Gary Numan - 'I Can't Stop (live, 1986)'
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)

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In 1980, Gary Numan released one of his greatest singles, the top 10 hit 'I Die: You Die'. At the time it was a non-album single, but was later included on the Telekon album, alongside We Are Glass.

The episode delves into:

• How the song was inspired by the press's hatred of him
• The various versions, mixes and covers
• How David Bowie got him thrown off the Kenny Everett Show

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - I Die You Die
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)
• Radio 1 interview, 1980
• Radio 1 Chart Show, 1980
• Gary Numan - I Die You Die (alternate mix)
• Gary Numan - I Die You Die (The Kenny Everett Show)
• Gary Numan - I Die You Die (live in Sydney)
• Gary Numan - Down in the Park (piano version)
• The Magnetic Fields - I Die You Die
• Coldplay - Clocks

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The episode delves into its inspirations, from '60s sci-fi books to 1984's biggest hit single, and Gary's own fantastical ideas.

It also looks at the album and tour's striking blue and white imagery, Gary's turn to sampling and its disappointing lack of airplay and chart success.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - Berserker
• Gary Numan - My Dying Machine
• Gary Numan - Berserker (live, 1984)
• Radio 1 Chart Show, November 1984

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This depression led to the writing of his next album, 2013's Splinter. One such track that tackled the themes of depression and life apathy, was the epic 'Here in the Black'.

This episode looks back on that song, including its inspiration, what Gary was going through at the time, live versions and more.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - 'Here in the Black'
• Gary Numan - 'Lost'
• Gary Numan - 'My Last Day'
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)
• Gary Numan - 'Here in the Black (live)' with the Skaparis Orchestra

This episode deals with issues of depression. If you are suffering from depression, you are not alone. Depression is a common and treatable condition that affects millions of people around the world. There are many ways to cope with depression, such as seeking professional help, talking to someone you trust, engaging in activities that make you happy, and practising self-care. Other places you can reach out for help include:

• [The Samaritans]: A UK-based charity that offers confidential emotional support to anyone in distress or suicidal. You can call them 24/7 at 116 123 or email them at jo@samaritans.org.
• [Mind]: A UK-based mental health charity that provides information and advice on various mental health issues, including depression. You can visit their website to find local services, helplines, and online support groups.
• [NHS]: The UK’s National Health Service that offers free and confidential health care and advice. You can visit their website to learn more about depression, its symptoms, causes, and treatments. You can also find self-help guides, online tools, and apps to help you cope with depression.
• [Beyond Blue]: An Australian organisation that aims to reduce the stigma and impact of depression and anxiety. You can visit their website to access online forums, webinars, podcasts, and personal stories. You can also call them 24/7 at 1300 22 4636 or chat with them online.
• [National Suicide Prevention Lifeline]: A US-based network of crisis centres that provides free and confidential support to anyone in suicidal crisis or emotional distress. You can call them 24/7 at 1-800-273-8255 or chat with them online.

In 1981, Gary Numan said goodbye to his fans with his epic Wembley shows, which was meant to be his retirement from live performance (thankfully, it wasn't).

The year before, he had recorded 'Please Push No More', a piano-synth ballad that dealt with his feelings about fame, fans and critics.

This episode tells the story of that song, and the emotional goodbye, and how he soon regretted his decision.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - Please Push No More
• Gary Numan - Telekon
• Gary Numan - Please Push No More (live, 1981)
• Gary Numan - Please Push No More (live, 2006)
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)

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Ahead of her UK tour, I spoke to Thereza about her amazing career, working with Trevor Horn, her upcoming projects, and of course... what it was like working with Gary Numan.

Thereza sang on Gary Numan's 1982 tracks 'Noise Noise' and 'Bridge? What Bridge?', later included on re-releases of the I, Assassin album.

Thereza reveals how she met Gary, and what it was like being in the studio with him at the height of both of their careers.

Clips used:

• Dollar - Mirror Mirror
• Dollar - Hand Held in Black and White
• Dollar - Love's Gotta Hold on Me
• Dollar - Oh L'amour
• Gary Numan - Noise Noise

However, its lead single wasn't released until nearly two years later. And it was a surprising success, sending Gary back into the charts.

This episode reflects on the Pure era and the lead single 'Rip', the most unlikely top 40 hit.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - Rip
• Gary Numan - Pure
• Gary Numan - Rip (Andy Gray remix)
• BBC Radio 1 Chart Show (2002)
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)

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I first saw Chris Fielding when he appeared as Gary on Stars in their Eyes back in 1998, and was amazed at how close he looked and sounded like him.

Fast forward to 2020, and Chris joined the lineup of the excellent Gary Numan tribute band Tubeway Days. Specialising in the 1979-81 era of Numan, the band and Chris sound exactly like the real thing and are a must-see for all Numan fans.

Chris talks about his love of Gary Numan growing up, how he got into impersonations and performing, what the Stars in their Eyes experience was like, meeting Gary, and what's coming up next for the band.

You will also hear snippets of Tubeway Days' excellent covers of Gary Numan songs, including 'Cars', 'Down in the Park', 'Remind me to Smile' and more.

A big thank you to Chris Fielding for his time and for a brilliant interview, and to Steve Guard for arranging.

This episode delves into the meaning behind the song, its sci-fi influence, the various remixes, live versions and covers, and more.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - 'Me! I Disconnect from You' (Replicas)
• Gary Numan - 'Praying to the Alines' (Replicas)
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)
• Gary Numan - 'Me! I Disconnect from You' (live, 1979)
• Gary Numan - 'Me! I Disconnect from You' (live, 1984)
• Gary Numan - 'Me! I Disconnect from You' (live, 2008)
• Gary Numan - 'Me! I Disconnect from You' (Hybrid)
• Gary Numan - 'Me! I Disconnect from You' (Peel Session)
• Grace Jones - 'Me! I Disconnect from You'

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In 1988, Gary Numan released his first album under the IRS Records label, and despite good reviews and an improvement on previous albums, Metal Rhythm didn't get him back in the charts.

Taking on a Robert Palmer-style hard rock meets electronic album, the LP featured the lead single 'New Anger', about his irritation over his critics at the time.

This episode delves into the making of the album, how it was made and how Gary feels about it now.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - New Anger
• Gary Numan - Devious
• Gary Numan - This is Emotion
• Gary Numan - Respect
• Gary Numan - Voix
• Gary Numan - I Don't Believe
• Gary Numan - Children
• Gary Numan - Creatures
• Gary Numan - Cold Metal Rhythm
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)

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For this episode, let's look back at what would prove to be Gary Numan's final ever top 10 single, from 1982's I, Assassin.

A song about an ex-girlfriend, and a track that has everything (funk, synthpop and jazz), it's one of Gary Numan's most intriguing singles.

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For this episode, we look back at the fantastic sci-fi themed Pleasure Principle track, M.E..

Based on a story from Gary Numan about the last machine on Earth, we look at its inspiration, covers, remixes and more.

Clips used:

• Thomas Newman - 2185 AD
• Gary Numan - M.E.
• Gary Numan - M.E. (Hybrid version)
• Wand - M.E.
• Metz - M.E.
• Earl Brutus - M.E.
• Nine Inch Nails - Metal
• Basement Jaxx - Where's Your Head At?
• Foxy - Party Boys
• Gary Numan - M.E. (live, 1980)
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)

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In this episode, we look back at the quirky yet hugely popular fan favourite track, Jo the Waiter, from Tubeway Army's self-titled debut album in 1978.

From the person who inspired the song to its various live versions, let's tackle the folk-style track ahead of Gary's acoustic tour later this year.

Clips used:

• Tubeway Army - Jo the Waiter
• Gary Numan - Jo the Waiter (live, 2004 - Shepherd's Bush)
• Gary Numan - Jo the Waiter (live, 2022 - Wembley Arena)
• Gary Numan - Jo the Waiter (live, 2019 - Aberdeen)
• The Orb - Jo the Waiter

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For this episode, we go back to 2011 and Gary Numan's album Dead Son Rising, for its lead single 'The Fall'.

Intended as an 'outtakes' album to fill the gap between Jagged and Splinter, it ended up being its own fully-fledged album thanks to the persistence of producer Ade Fenton.

This episode focuses on the lead single, including:

• How Nine Inch Nails and Trent Reznor inspired it
• How Gary got through apathy to finish the album
• Its original track from the Pure sessions
• Is it based on an apparent fallout with a former band member?
• The music video filmed in a creepy abandoned asylum

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - The Fall
• Gary Numan - For the Rest of My Life
• Nine Inch Nails - Metal
• Gary Numan - Look
• Gary Numan - The Fall (live at Brixton Academy)
• Gary Numan - The Fall (Officers remix)
• Gary Numan - The Fall (South Central Bad Trip remix)
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)
• Gary Numan speech at 1,000th gig

This episode looks back at the one and only single from Gary Numan's 1981 album Dance: 'She's Got Claws'.

We delve into how the song and album was inspired by a bitter end to a relationship that went rather scary for Gary, as well as a ghostly experience on the London Underground, and how it was influenced by the music of the band Japan (leading to the involvement of Mick Karn).

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - 'She's Got Claws'
• Gary Numan & Paul Gardiner - 'Stormtrooper in Drag'
• Japan - 'Gentlemen Take Polaroids'
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)
• Gary Numan - 'A Subway Called You'
• Gary Numan - 'Slowcar to China'
• 'Cat People' (trailer) / David Bowie - 'Cat People'
• Gary Numan - 'I Sing Rain'
• Gary Numan - 'Exhibition'
• Posh - 'She's Got Claws'
• Gary Numan - 'She's Got Claws (Biokraft remix)'

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For this episode, I remember Gary Numan's largely-forgotten album Outland from 1991, and its lead single 'Heart'.

The episode delves into the underrated love song from Gary, as well as the difficulties in making the album alongside Miles Copeland, how it was inspired by Janet Jackson and Jam & Lewis, and how it led into what was to come next.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - 'Heart'
• Gary Numan - 'Interval 1'
• Gary Numan - 'Confession'
• Gary Numan - 'From Russia Infected'
• Gary Numan - 'Tread Careful'
• Janet Jackson - 'Escapade'
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)

For this episode, I look back at the Telekon single 'This Wreckage' from 1980. In the episode, I delve into:

• Why Gary Numan regretted choosing it as a single
• The meaning behind some of its Japanese lyrics
• How it was sampled by a classic 2000s dance track
• Its beautiful B-side 'Photograph'
• What his fans think about the divisive single

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - 'This Wreckage'
• Gary Numan - 'Photograph'
• Basement Jaxx - 'Where's Your Head At?'
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)

The album was Sacrifice, and it was the moment that Gary started his long road to recovery.

Focusing mainly on the Lord of the Rings-inspired track 'Magic', this episode looks at the making of Sacrifice, what came before, and its enduring legacy.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - 'Magic'
• Gary Numan - 'Pray'
• Gary Numan - 'Deadliner'
• Gary Numan - 'Scar'
• Gary Numan - 'You Walk in My Soul'
• Gary Numan - 'Metal Beat'
• Gary Numan - 'Magic' (Dark Light, live)
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)
• Nine Inch Nails - 'Heresy'
• Howard Shore - 'The Breaking of the Fellowship/In Dreams'

Containing an excellent drum break by Cedric Sharpley and bass from Paul Gardiner, the synth-heavy 'Films' was a hugely influential song in the early days of hip-hop.

This episode looks at how the song was used in New York block parties, who has sampled it over the years and why it's still one of Gary's very best songs.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - 'Films'
• The Fatback Band - 'King Tim III'
• The Sugarhill Gang - 'Rapper's Delight'
• Visage - 'Fade to Grey'
• Gary Numan - 'Engineers'
• GZA - 'Life is a Movie'
• Prince Rakeem - 'Deadly Venoms'
• Esh the Monolith - 'Self Centred Youniverse'
• Royal Flush - 'Watch Out the Plant'
• Underdog - 'Films'
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)
• Gary Numan - 'Films' (live 1981)

Gary ponders what the Earth would say to mankind if it could talk, and how angry would it be. Gary took an idea from his daughter Echo's poem and turned it into a whole album, with great effect.

This episode looks at the making and meaning of the 2021 anthemic track.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - 'Intruder'
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)
• Gary Numan - Making Music campaign
• Gary Numan - 'Intruder' (demo)
• Gary Numan - 'Aeon'
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For the album track 'I Dream of Wires', Gary imagines a man who was once called 'The Sparkle', and is now the last electrician alive. It's a fascinating idea for a futuristic story, and is pure Gary Numan.

This episode looks at the writing and meaning of the song, its brilliant cover version by Robert Palmer and more.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - 'I Dream of Wires'
• Robert Palmer - 'I Dream of Wires'
• Gary Numan - 'I Dream of Wires' (live, 1981)
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)

The episode looks at the song's influences, lyrics, history, cover versions, remixes and more.

From Machmen to electronic car machines to beautiful piano versions, it's time to look back at one of Gary Numan's best ever songs.

Clips used:

• Tubeway Army - Down in the Park
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)
• Steeleye Span - Long Lankin
• Tubeway Army - Do You Need the Service?
• Gary Numan - Down in the Park (live, 1980)
• Gary Numan - Down in the Park (piano version)
• Gary Numan - Down in the Park (Curve remix)
• Gary Numan - Down in the Park (Sulpher remix)
• Marilyn Manson - Down in the Park
• Foo Fighters - Down in the Park
• Electric Six - I Invented the Night
• Gary Numan - Down in the Park (live at Brixton Academy)

From its scary inspiration, to its multitude of covers and remixes, we look back at one of the best ever synthpop songs that inspired countless artists, and turned many of us into instant Numanoids.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - 'Cars'
• Gary Numan - 'Asylum'
• Gary Numan - (R)Evolution (audiobook)
• Gary Numan - 'Cars (Premier Mix)'
• Gary Numan - 'Cars (93 Sprint)'
• Carling Premier advert, 1996
• Gary Numan - 'Cars (Hybrid remix)'
• Fear Factory - 'Cars'
• Barron Knights - 'We Know Who Done It'
• Kool G Rap & DJ Polo - 'Cars'
• Shampoo - 'Cars'
• Armand van Helden - 'Koochy'
• Chicane - 'Hiding All the Stars'
• Nine Inch Nails & Gary Numan - 'Cars'
• Bill Bailey - 'Cars'
• South Park
• Family Guy
• The Simpsons
• Two and a Half Men
• DieHard batteries commercial

The album continued the experimental nature of Dance, but with a twinge of funk that later influenced Prince among others, and featured the fretless bass work of the soon-to-be in-demand Pino Palladino.

This episode focuses on the album's main single, Music for Chameleons. Including its video that may have inspired Michael Jackson, and its infamous use in I'm Alan Partridge.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - Music for Chameleons (Beggars Banquet)
• BBC News
• Gary Numan - I, Assassin (Beggars Banquet)
• Paul Young - Wherever I Lay My Hat (That's My Home) (CBS)
• Gary Numan - Glitter and Ash (Beggars Banquet)
• Judy Collins - Send in the Clowns (Elektra)
• Michael Jackson - Smooth Criminal (Epic)
• Gary Numan - Noise Noise (Beggars Banquet)
• I'm Alan Partridge (BBC)
• This Time with Alan Partridge (BBC)

Recorded with his bandmates Paul Gardiner and Jess Lidyard, the album saw the band transition from punk to a new style of music, helped by Gary's discovery of a Minimoog and his interest in sci-fi novels.

Featured on this album was the largely-acoustic track 'Everyday I Die'. The short song had a rather naughty subject matter, but would go on to become a fan favourite for decades to come.

This episode delves into the making and meaning of the song, the various different versions, and why it is so loved by Numan and Numanoids to this day.

Clips used:

• 'Everyday I Die' (Beggars Banquet)
• 'Listen to the Sirens' (Beggars Banquet)
• 'Everyday I Die' (1980, Living Ornaments, Teletour) (Beggars Banquet)
• Dubstar - 'Everyday I Die' (Beggars Banquet)
• 'Everyday I Die' (2002 version) (Jagged Halo/Artful Records)
• 'Everyday I Die' (Andy Gray remix) (Jagged Halo)
• 'Everyday I Die' (2020 acoustic)

It was the first album to be produced with Ade Fenton, starting a fantastic partnership that continues to this day.

This episode focuses mainly on one of the most popular songs from the album: 'Halo'.

We learn about how Gary was nervous about following up the critical success of Pure, the introduction of a Nine Inch Nails star, and a particularly comical moment from my first meet and greet with Gary at the launch of the album.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - 'Halo' (Cooking Vinyl)
• Gary Numan - 'Scanner' (Cooking Vinyl)
• Gary Numan - 'Does God Bleed (demo)'
• Gary Numan - 'Halo' (live on KEXP)
• Gary Numan - (R)evolution: The Autobiography (audiobook) (Constable)

The album's title track was its lead single, and gave him another top 20 hit.

This episode delves into:

• How Gary was inspired by Mel Gibson's Mad Max 2 for the album's image
• Bringing in the sweet sax sounds from Blade Runner's soundtrack
• Gary butting heads with his first ever co-producer
• The introduction of female backing singers in Gary's music
• A silly chart rule that ruined Warriors' success
• Why Gary thought it was the start of his late '80s dip
• How it's not a sci-fi album, despite the imagery

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - Warriors (Beggars Banquet)
• Gary Numan - The Iceman Comes (Beggars Banquet)
• Vangelis - Blade Runner Love Theme (East West/Atlantic)
• Gary Numan - This Prison Moon (Beggars Banquet)
• Gary Numan - I Am Render (Beggars Banquet)
• Mad Max 2 trailer (Warner Bros)
• Gary Numan - My Car Slides (1) (Beggars Banquet)
• Gary Numan - Warriors (live, 2012)
• Matt Jessup - Warriors/Tracks

The video featured his daughter Persia Numan on backing vocals for the first time, with a stunning Egyptian sound and imagery, backed by one of his most memorable music videos in years.

The song helped Savage to become Gary's highest-charting albums in nearly 40 years. But what is the song about, how was it made and what iconic TV show did it feature in?

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - My Name is Ruin (BMG)
• Gary Numan - (R)evolution: The Autobiography (audiobook) (Constable)
• Gary Numan with the Skaparis Orchestra - My Name is Ruin (live) (BMG)
• South Park (Comedy Central/Paramount)

While not released as a single, it has become a favourite with fans over the years, and has an intriguing tale about a potential estranged mother and son in a surprising and unexpected reunion.

This episode delves into the making of the song, its meaning and its recent comeback at Numan shows.

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - Stories (Beggars Banquet)
• Gary Numan - (R)evolution: The Autobiography (audiobook) (Constable)
• Gary Numan - Stories (Living Ornaments '80) (Beggars Banquet)
• Gary Numan - Stories (Lockdown Sessions)

It's one of Gary's more poppy numbers, and has always been a solid live favourite. But what is the song about? And how did the BBC scupper its chances of being a bigger hit?

Clips used:

• Gary Numan - 'We Are Glass' (Telekon - Beggars Banquet)
• Gary Numan - (R)evolution: The Autobiography (audiobook) (Constable)
• Gary Numan - 'We Are Glass' (Live at Wembley 1981 - Beggars Banquet)
• EMF - 'We Are Glass' (Random - Beggars Banquet)
• Gary Numan - 'Trois Gymnopedies (first movement) - (Telekon - Beggars Banquet)
• Gary Numan - 'We Are Glass' (live, 2022 - YouTube, Filmed By Nigel George Limer)

It is one of Gary's most personal songs, written after a tragic family moment that is a moving track for many people who have gone through something similar.

Clips:

• Gary Numan - 'A Prayer for the Unborn' (Pure)
• Gary Numan - 'A Prayer for the Unborn' (Andy Gray Remix) (Exposure/Hybrid)
• Gary Numan - (R)evolution: The Autobiography (audiobook) (Constable)
• Chris Isaak - 'Wicked Game'
• Gary Numan live at Wembley (2022)
• Tubeway Days - 'Are Friends Electric'

The episode looks back at the song's origins, lyrical meaning, chart performance, cover versions, samples and beyond.

We also hear just how important the song has been for Gary's fans over the past 4+ decades, and hear extracts about the song from Gary's autobiography.

Stories include:

• How stumbling upon a Moog changed everything
• How it was the first number one about robot sex
• Who was 'S.U'.?
• Becoming a live anthem worthy of stadiums
• Paving the way for electronic artists forever

Clips:

• Tubeway Army - 'Are 'Friends' Electric?'
• Tubeway Army - 'Are 'Friends' Electric?' (Old Grey Whistle Test)
• Moog example (RetroSound)
• Gary Numan - 'Are Friends Electric?' (Live at Brixton Academy)
• Sugababes - 'Freak Like Me'
• An Pierle - 'Are Friends Electric?'
• Gary Numan - 'Are Friends Electric? (Andy Gray Mix)'
• Gary Numan - (R)evolution: The Autobiography (audiobook) (Constable)

This podcast is for all fellow Gary Numan fans out there, and for anyone who would love to delve more into his back catalogue. Each episode will look at a different Gary Numan song, looking at its creation, the meaning behind it, and more. It won’t be chronological or alphabetical, but rather will take on all eras of Gary’s discography in a non-linear journey. 

If you’re listening to this, then chances are, like me, you’re a massive fan of Gary Numan. Either that, or you’re a general fan and gatherer of music history, and were intrigued by a man who, in his early 20s in 1979, came out of seemingly nowhere to become an overnight popstar, and brought synths to the mainstream in a way no other artist had quite managed at that point.

Fast-forward over 40 years later, and Gary is still making music and touring to fans around the world. If anything, his career over the last couple of years has reached a height he hasn’t felt since the early ‘80s. He has had two albums reach number two in the UK charts, and in 2022 he’s returning to Wembley Arena for the first time since his short-lived touring retirement in 1981. Gary has never decided to sit back and just perform Greatest Hits tours without releasing new music - he has kept interesting and relevant, morphing his sound to fit his evolving tastes and styles, to great effect. In fact, I’d argue that his last four albums - Ded Son Rising, Splinter, Savage and Intruder - are easily his greatest since the holy trinity of ‘Replicas’, ‘The Pleasure Principle’ and ‘Telekon’. He’s actually improving with age. Not many artists in their 60s can say that.

There’s no other artist that sounds like Gary. His voice is so unique and hypnotic, and he has a fascinating sound to his records that feel so moving, atmospheric and catchy all at once. Yet, despite his decades of making music and critics finally giving him the credit he deserves, he still weirdly feels like a hidden gem. A secret that not many people seem to know or get. People might know ‘Cars’ or ‘Are Friends Electric’ at least, maybe. But once you ‘get’ Gary Numan, and become a fully-fledged fan, or Numanoid if you will, you’re there for life. Like supporting a football team. You’ll find it hard to find fans as dedicated and passionate as Gary’s.

I myself became a Gary Numan fan back in 1994, when I was aged 7 or 8. Up until this point I had only been interested in ‘children’s music’ and then onto hits from the ‘60s, thanks to my parents' collection of CDs at the time. That year was the first year I was aware of ‘current’ music and started watching Top of the Pops and listened to the chart show on Radio 1.

At one point on the BBC, there was this one-off Rock and Roll Years-style programme, but weirdly it was all about the environment over the years while shoehorning in the big hits of the era (side note: if anyone has any idea what this programme was, please let me know) - and then when it reached 1979, there suddenly appeared this pale robot-like guy singing ‘here in my car’. This clip only lasted the length of, well, it’s not exactly a chorus, but it only went on for about a minute or so. But in that minute, I was utterly fascinated by this man and the music he was making. It instantly became my favourite song, and I must have rewound that clip over a hundred times. And I’ve never looked back.

In the era before YouTube and the internet, it would genuinely take at least a year before I heard the full song. I would relish any moment that Gary popped up on Top of the Pops 2. He became this folk-like creature. Was he even real? Is he still around today? In time, I’d collect his albums at HMV or local markets and build up a little catalogue of his music. But he was still very much something of a myth.

I didn’t know it at the time, but I just happened to discover Gary in the same year that his life and career started going in the right direction. I had no idea that his career had nosedived at that point. He had become a bit of a joke figure, and he would later admit that his albums of the late 80s and early 90s weren’t up to standard. Though I’d still argue that every one of his albums would have their own gems, which we’ll look at on this podcast. 

In 1994, he released the album ‘Sacrifice’. Thanks to the support and focus from his future wife Gemma, he decided to drop all the gimmicks of his previous few albums, and started making music he actually wanted to without trying to search for that elusive hit single. Inspired by the likes of Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails, he went down the route of industrial, gothic and metal sounds, while keeping elements of his synthpop past, and over time has perfected it to create a truly unique and very-Gary style.

By complete fluke, I started following Gary during this new era, and have supported and followed him over nearly 30 years. It’s been such a journey of seeing him grow from easy punching bag to finally being considered a pioneer of music. Gone are the years of ridicule from the cruel press of the 80s, replaced by admiration by his peers and followers, including Trent Reznor, Dave Grohl, Mark Ronson and even Prince and Lady Gaga.

I first met Gary at an HMV signing event in 2005 for his album Jagged, if you can count that as meeting. I mumbled something incoherent while handing over my new vinyl record while my best mate Sam took a photo. In 2012, my first ever interview with a celebrity for my then-new job as a writer was with, none other than Gary Numan himself. I had to phone him at his Los Angeles home, in the evening for me, and I was a nervous wreck all day, pacing around my flat. Thankfully, he was a thoroughly lovely man who hopefully didn't notice how nervous I was and the fact that it was my first interview, and thus it was probably not a very good one.

Five years later, I interviewed him again, this time in person. I doubt he would remember me over the countless people who have interviewed him over the years, but it was a truly magical experience for me. I didn’t let on just how much of a fan I was, and that I wasn’t ‘just another music journalist’, but part of me wishes I did. I was treated to half an hour chatting to Gary about his life and music, ahead of his then-new album Savage. They say to never meet your heroes, but I’m very glad that to say that this didn't apply in Gary’s case. 

Despite everything he’s been through over the years, and all the ups and downs, he always comes across incredibly down-to-earth, in a way I just don’t see in other artists of any generation. If you watch his regular video updates on his Patreon, you’ll see just how sweet, funny, honest and self-effacing he is.

I hope you enjoy the podcast series, and if you’d like to get in touch, then please follow me on Twitter, @NumanPodcast, or head to numanpodcast.acast.com. You can subscribe to the podcast, wherever you prefer to get them. And if there are any particular songs you’d like me to cover, please let me know.

Clips used:

Intro:

• 'Cars'
• 'Down in the Park'
• 'Are 'Friends' Electric?'
• 'M.E.'
• 'I Die: You Die'
• 'Music for Chameleons'
• 'Pure'
• 'My Name is Ruin'
• 'A Question of Faith'

Other songs:

• 'We Are Glass'
• 'The Calling'
• 'Cars'
• 'Magic'
• 'Photograph'