Together they discuss why belonging is the missing piece in DEI, how microaggressions can become harassment, why calling people in is more effective than calling them out, and how discernment helps us respond instead of react. They also explore culture, identity, music, movies, and Angela's journey to becoming a sociology professor.

• Why belonging is essential for diversity and inclusion to succeed • The difference between microaggressions and harassment • How discernment helps improve communication and reduce conflict • Why asking "What are you?" can be harmful, and better ways to ask about someone's background • The value of calling people in rather than calling them out • How to return conflict without carrying it with you • Why culture is shaped by lived experience, not just ancestry

Belonging matters. Diversity and inclusion create opportunities, but belonging is what makes people feel accepted.

Discernment is powerful. The pause between being triggered and responding allows for thoughtful communication.

Curiosity builds connection. Honest conversations are more effective than assumptions when navigating differences.

• Angela's experience growing up biracial • The impact of "othering" on identity and belonging • What DEI really means and why belonging completes the picture • Microaggressions versus harassment • The role of discernment in difficult conversations • Better ways to ask questions about identity • Angela's upcoming book, What Do You Mean By That? • The "hot potato" approach to conflict resolution • Music, movies, and personal favorites

00:00 Intro & about the show 02:30 Introducing Dr. Angela Cleo Smith 05:00 Why conversations about race still matter 06:30 Growing up biracial as the youngest of 13 siblings 11:00 Finding belonging across communities 15:30 Building relationships across differences 19:00 Why "I don't see color" misses the point 21:30 After DEI: Redesigning Belonging Through Communication 28:00 Understanding DEI 33:00 Why belonging matters 36:00 Understanding "othering" 41:00 Culture and identity 46:00 Microaggressions and harassment 51:00 Calling people in vs. calling them out 55:00 Angela's career journey 1:04:00 Music favorites 1:10:00 Movies and TV 1:13:00 Final advice on discernment and critical listening 1:17:00 Where to find Angela online

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Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, Everyday Conversations on Race.

Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

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Previous Episodes

• Are White Men Smarter Than Everybody Else? Playing Offense in the Fight for Racial Justice in America (his latest)

Key concepts discussed:

• SWAMP — Straight White American Male Preference: a framework to reframe the equality debate and expose overrepresentation of white men (29% of the population, yet dominant in every power structure)

• SWAMP Audits — a practical tool anyone can use to assess their organization, city, or institution

• Virtual Precinct Captains — building a personal list of 20 people, keeping them informed, and making sure they vote

• The demographic transformation of America: from 88% white in the 1960s to 41% people of color today

• Why mobilizing the existing diverse majority is more effective than chasing white swing voters

TIMESTAMPS

Time

Topic

0:00

Introduction & show overview

1:08

Guest intro: Steve Phillips — author, political leader, founder of Democracy in Color

2:43

Do we still need to talk about race? Steve says: now more than ever

3:41

The 2015 escalator speech and the politics of White racial anxiety

5:00

Post-George Floyd commitments abandoned — where we are now

6:10

Steve's background: growing up as a child of the civil rights movement in Cleveland

7:10

First Black family on Dartmoor Road; seeing MLK as a toddler

8:35

Simma's personal story: the March on Washington and her junior high school protest

9:08

What's happening with young people today — reasons for hope

10:07

Zohran Mamdani's NYC mayoral campaign as a generational movement

12:03

Young conservatives and Charlie Kirk: the danger of silence on the left

13:00

MLK's quote on the silence of good people

15:13

Simma's personal connection to Steve's books and finding hope

16:36

Brown Is the New White — Obama's election and demographic transformation

19:33

How We Win the Civil War — the Confederates never stopped fighting

21:38

Are White Men Smarter Than Everybody Else? — the book's origin and SWAMP framework

22:20

White men are only 29% of the population — yet dominate every power structure

25:15

The "meritocracy" myth exposed — preferences have always existed for white men

26:35

The Emily & Greg / Lakeisha & Jamal resume study (University of Chicago)

27:58

The Chosen — how elite college admissions were rigged for preferred whites in the 1920s

29:40

Hope and strategy: the majority already exists — why Democrats keep losing anyway

33:11

If all Texans had voted in 2020, Biden would have won Texas

34:42

2024: Democrats spent $1B on TV ads instead of community organizing

37:00

Voter apathy, Nick Cannon, and why people say "there's no point voting"

40:40

Zohran Mamdani's free childcare platform and delivering for voters

42:00

Local organizing wins: Kansas City Tenants Union gets 6,000 votes and passes a bill of rights

43:13

A crusade for democracy: the call for a million precinct captains

46:25

The demographic revolution: U.S. is now 41% people of color (was 12% in the mid-'60s)

48:16

Progressive white allies — a historic tradition and a crucial part of the coalition

50:37

"Fear of a Black Planet Syndrome" and what individuals can do right now

51:57

SWAMP audits — a tool anyone can use to go on offense

54:16

DEI vs. racial justice: Simma clarifies the distinction

55:07

Practical steps: virtual precinct captains and SWAMP audits

56:16

Book recommendation: Practical Radicals by Deepak Bhargava & Stephanie Luce

57:23

Show recommendation: Andor (Disney+) — fighting back against authoritarianism

58:31

Where to find Steve: democracyincolor.com

58:57

Closing thoughts: keep talking about race, build the multiracial democracy

Dion takes us behind the headline-making DM that changed her career — an anonymous video of an elderly Asian man being brutally beaten in San Francisco — and reveals what it took to bring stories like his to light when her own newsroom resisted.

From the murder of Vincent Chin to COVID-era scapegoating, she traces the deep historical roots of anti-Asian racism in America. She explains why the silence after the peak of BLM and Stop AAPI Hate is not just disappointing — it's dangerous.

Topics in This Episode:

• Why anti-Asian hate is "as old as the Gold Rush" — and why we're erasing that history
• The cultural shame that keeps Asian American victims from speaking out
• The death threats and hit pieces Dion faced for reporting the truth
• How DEI rollbacks are affecting communities right now
• What Black-Asian solidarity actually looks like on the ground
• The role food, music, and pop culture play in bridging racial divides
• Dion's new book Amplify: My Fight for Asian America (foreword by Olivia Munn)

You'll hear:

• The anonymous 12-second DM that changed everything — a video of an elderly Asian man being attacked while collecting cans in San Francisco's Bayview neighborhood
• Why Asian American victims often don't come forward: cultural conditioning, family shame, distrust of media, and generational silence

• Anti-Asian hate isn't new — from the Gold Rush to Vincent Chin to Yik Oi Huang and Vishal Ratanapakdee
• How COVID gave people permission to blame Asians — and how "kung flu" and "China virus" language fueled violenc
• The backlash Dion faced: a Washington Post hit piece orchestrated by a former DA's team, death threats from people who denied anti-Asian hate was real
• Why the Asian American community isn't monolithic — income inequality, cultural differences, and the "model minority" myth
• The connection between Black and Asian communities — shared history, manufactured division, and what solidarity actually looks like on the ground
• Grassroots response: patrol groups, the Blue Angels in Oakland, and the role of everyday people showing up for each other
• Simma's own history with the original Rainbow Coalition — The Young Patriots, the Black Panthers, the Young Lords, and Asian groups working together in the late '60s and '70s
• The immigrant parent dynamic: silence as survival, pride as a long time coming, and what it meant when Dion's father finally expressed pride after her 20/20 appearance
• What Dion wants for the next generation: be loud, find your community, take care of your mental health, and don't be afraid to take up space
• TV recommendation: Warrior — the series about the rise of the Tongs and how Chinese workers were treated in California
• The ask: get Amplify on the New York Times bestseller list — and why it matters beyond sales

Key Learnings:

• Silence is not safety. When institutions stop talking about race, hate doesn't disappear — it goes underground and grows. The rollback of DEI programs and race coverage in newsrooms makes communities more vulnerable, not more comfortable.
• Anti-Asian hate has deep American roots. This isn't a COVID story. It goes back to the Gold Rush, the Chinese Exclusion Act, and the murder of Vincent Chin. Understanding that history is the first step to not repeating it.
• Cultural conditioning keeps people quiet. Many Asian Americans are raised to not cause a fuss, not draw attention, not inconvenience others. That silence protects no one — it protects the people doing harm.
• Division between communities is often manufactured. The tension between Black and Asian communities didn't come from nowhere. It was seeded deliberately, and it dissolves quickly when people actually get to know each other.
• You don't have to share someone's experience to show up for them. The people who moved Dion most weren't Asian — they were people from every background who said "I didn't know, and now I do."

Timestamps:

• 1:08 – Who is Dion Lim and why she's fighting for Asian America
• 2:51 – "It feels like crickets" — DEI rollbacks and the dangerous silence
• 4:05 – The 12-second video that changed Dion's career forever
• 5:50 – Anti-Asian hate didn't start with COVID — it goes back to the Gold Rush
• 8:43 – From fluff pieces to death threats: how Dion's journalism transformed
• 10:15 – The shameful cultural silence keeping Asian victims from speaking out
• In this powerful episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, host Simma the Inclusionist sits down with Emmy award-winning journalist and author Dion Lim to confront a question too many are avoiding: "Why has the conversation about anti-Asian hate gone silent"?

  Dion takes us behind the headline-making DM that changed her career — an anonymous video of an elderly Asian man being brutally beaten in San Francisco — and reveals what it took to bring stories like his to light when her own newsroom resisted.

  From the murder of Vincent Chin to COVID-era scapegoating, she traces the deep historical roots of anti-Asian racism in America. She explains why the silence after the peak of BLM and Stop AAPI Hate is not just disappointing — it's dangerous.

  Topics in This Episode:

  • Why anti-Asian hate is "as old as the Gold Rush" — and why we're erasing that history
  • The cultural shame that keeps Asian American victims from speaking out
  • The death threats and hit pieces Dion faced for reporting the truth
  • How DEI rollbacks are affecting communities right now
  • What Black-Asian solidarity actually looks like on the ground
  • The role food, music, and pop culture play in bridging racial divides
  • Dion's new book Amplify: My Fight for Asian America (foreword by Olivia Munn)
  
  

  You'll hear:

  • The anonymous 12-second DM that changed everything — a video of an elderly Asian man being attacked while collecting cans in San Francisco's Bayview neighborhood
  • Why Asian American victims often don't come forward: cultural conditioning, family shame, distrust of media, and generational silence
  
  
  • Anti-Asian hate isn't new — from the Gold Rush to Vincent Chin to Yik Oi Huang and Vishal Ratanapakdee
  • How COVID gave people permission to blame Asians — and how "kung flu" and "China virus" language fueled violenc
  • The backlash Dion faced: a Washington Post hit piece orchestrated by a former DA's team, death threats from people who denied anti-Asian hate was real
  • Why the Asian American community isn't monolithic — income inequality, cultural differences, and the "model minority" myth
  • The connection between Black and Asian communities — shared history, manufactured division, and what solidarity actually looks like on the ground
  • Grassroots response: patrol groups, the Blue Angels in Oakland, and the role of everyday people showing up for each other
  • Simma's own history with the original Rainbow Coalition — The Young Patriots, the Black Panthers, the Young Lords, and Asian groups working together in the late '60s and '70s
  • The immigrant parent dynamic: silence as survival, pride as a long time coming, and what it meant when Dion's father finally expressed pride after her 20/20 appearance
  • What Dion wants for the next generation: be loud, find your community, take care of your mental health, and don't be afraid to take up space
  • TV recommendation: Warrior — the series about the rise of the Tongs and how Chinese workers were treated in California
  • The ask: get Amplify on the New York Times bestseller list — and why it matters beyond sales
  
  

  Key Learnings:

  • Silence is not safety. When institutions stop talking about race, hate doesn't disappear — it goes underground and grows. The rollback of DEI programs and race coverage in newsrooms makes communities more vulnerable, not more comfortable.
  • Anti-Asian hate has deep American roots. This isn't a COVID story. It goes back to the Gold Rush, the Chinese Exclusion Act, and the murder of Vincent Chin. Understanding that history is the first step to not repeating it.
  • Cultural conditioning keeps people quiet. Many Asian Americans are raised to not cause a fuss, not draw attention, not inconvenience others. That silence protects no one — it protects the people doing harm.
  • Division between communities is often manufactured. The tension between Black and Asian communities didn't come from nowhere. It was seeded deliberately, and it dissolves quickly when people actually get to know each other.
  • You don't have to share someone's experience to show up for them. The people who moved Dion most weren't Asian — they were people from every background who said "I didn't know, and now I do."
  
  

  Timestamps:

  • 1:08 – Who is Dion Lim and why she's fighting for Asian America
  • 2:51 – "It feels like crickets" — DEI rollbacks and the dangerous silence
  • 4:05 – The 12-second video that changed Dion's career forever
  • 5:50 – Anti-Asian hate didn't start with COVID — it goes back to the Gold Rush
  • 8:43 – From fluff pieces to death threats: how Dion's journalism transformed
  • 10:15 – The shameful cultural silence keeping Asian victims from speaking out
  • 13:58 – The Washington Post hit piece, orchestrated by a DA's team
  • 16:15 – Why people deny anti-Asian hate even exists
  • 21:25 – "It was okay to blame Asians for COVID" — how a pandemic became a weapon
  • 24:14 – Dion's own mother told her to stop reporting. Here's why.
  • 27:42 – Are newsrooms giving up on covering race?
  • 31:00 – The "model minority" myth that erases Asian poverty
  • 39:22 – What real Black-Asian solidarity actually looks like
  • 46:01 – The history America buried: forced labor, exclusion laws & the show Warrior
  • 51:01 – Dion's call to action + her book Amplify
  
  

  Guest Bio:

  Dion is a beloved Emmy Award-winning journalist, two-time author, and international keynote speaker. For over 20 years, she has transformed complex, high-stakes issues into clear, compelling stories that resonate with millions. A trusted expert in media presence, Dion now helps executives and changemakers communicate with the same clarity, confidence, and impact. Her work amplifying underrepresented voices has built bridges across diverse communities and sparked lasting change.

  Connect with Dion Lim:

  • Website: dionlim.com
  • Instagram & Facebook: @dionlimtv
  • LinkedIn: Dion Lim
  
  

  Get the book: Amplify: My Fight for Asian America — available now!

  If this episode moved you, share it with someone who needs to hear it. Subscribe, leave a review, and help us get these conversations heard across the globe.

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  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, Everyday Conversations on Race.

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

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  Previous Episodes

  Frank Carbajal on Latino Leadership: From Migrant Farmworker Son to Silicon Valley Voice Dr. Gina Paige on African Ancestry: How DNA Reconnects Black Americans to Their African Roots From Black Panther to Corporate America: Elmer Dixon on Race, Revolution, and Why DEI Is Not Dead Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>37fd566f-e941-4c3d-a300-4ab075c608cfMon, 08 Jun 2026 06:00:00 -070049:47falsefull11481481Frank Carbajal on Latino Leadership: From Migrant Farmworker Son to Silicon Valley Voice Frank Carbajal grew up the son of Mexican migrant farmworkers in California's Imperial Valley, where summer temperatures hit 115 degrees and his mother worked the fields through her third trimester. Today he's the founder and president of Es Tiempo LLC, a co-author of three books on Latino leadership, founder of the Silicon Valley Latino Leadership Summit at Stanford University, and a former keynote speaker in Ken Blanchard's network.

  In this conversation with Simma, Frank talks about what it actually means to be Latino in America today — and why that word doesn't fit everyone who could claim it. He breaks down the Bracero Program that brought his parents to the U.S., the "101 Infrastructure Divide" that shows how Latino hands built Silicon Valley while Latino representation in tech sits in the single digits, and why his mother told him being bilingual is a superpower.

  This is a conversation about immigration, identity, family, and what it takes to move from picking fruit in the fields to standing in front of executive boardrooms — without ever forgetting where you came from.

  What You'll Learn

  • What the Bracero Program was, and how it shaped Mexican American families in California for generations
  • Why "Latino" is not one identity — and how to talk to people about their background without making assumptions
  • The real numbers behind Latino representation in education, the corporate boardroom, and venture capital
  • How to start a conversation across race and culture without getting yourself into trouble
  • Why being bilingual is a competitive advantage, not something to hide
  • What "the 101 Infrastructure Divide" means and why it matters for anyone working in or with the tech industry
  • How to spot the difference between performative diversity and actual connection
  
  

  Key Takeaways

  • Latinos are not a monolith. There are 20 Latin American countries, multiple generations of Latino Americans, and people who identify as Latino, Latina, Chicano, Mexican American, American, or simply as a leader — and all of those answers are valid.
  • The hands that built Silicon Valley are not the hands sitting in its boardrooms. Latino representation in tech leadership and venture capital is still in the low single digits despite Latinos making up over 40% of California's population.
  • Conversations across race work when you start with what's in front of you — food, art, family, a shared interest — not with politics or assumptions.
  • Bilingualism is a superpower. So is resilience. Frank's parents had third- and fourth-grade educations and built a life for their children through nothing but hard work.
  • Leadership, not identity politics, is the through-line that travels across borders, languages, and generations.
  
  

  Timestamps

  [00:00] — Simma's opening: why this podcast exists for anyone who wants to talk across race but is afraid of saying the wrong thing

  [02:30] — Meet Frank Carbajal: Es Tiempo LLC, Silicon Valley Latino Leadership Summit, two published books, and the award he's most proud of (hint: it's not the corporate one)

  [05:00] — What legacy means in a Latino family

  [07:00] — The elephant in the room: why race conversations are crucial conversations, and what "healthy conversation" actually looks like

  [09:00] — The numbers don't lie: 65 million Latinos in the U.S., but only 1–2% of PhDs, 1.5% of CEOs and board members, and less than 2% of venture capital

  [11:00] — What is the Latino community, really? Why "Latino" doesn't fit everyone — and why some people say "Just call me a leader"

  [14:00] — The Bracero Program explained: Frank's parents, migrant farmworkers, and the pathway that shaped a generation of Mexican American families

  [17:00] — Born on Juneteenth in 115-degree heat: Frank's mother worked the fields through her third trimester and almost died giving birth to him

  [19:00] — The 101 Infrastructure Divide: how Latino hands built Silicon Valley's buildings by hand — including NVIDIA's $4.9 trillion headquarters — while Latino representation in tech stays in the single digits

  [22:00] — When Simma brought a Spanish-speaking facilitator to a workshop, and her class hated him. Why language alone is not connection.

  [25:00] — Frank's mother's wisdom on sangrón: how she could spot arrogance instantly, and why she'd rather work with a humble white person who spoke Spanish than an arrogant Latino with a sense of entitlement

  [28:00] — Bilingual is a superpower: Frank's parents told him to never be embarrassed, and why he tells his own daughters the same thing

  [30:00] — "Wow, you speak without an accent" — the microaggression Latino professionals know too well, and how Frank handles it

  [32:00] — Afro-Latinos, Caribbean Latinos, Mexican Americans, Chicanos, Latinos of European descent: why the Latino community is not a monolith, and the language families use to describe all the shades within it

  [35:00] — Frank's Brazilian soccer coach who was Afro-Latino, spoke three languages, and taught a 10-year-old Frank what unity actually looks like on a team

  [37:00] — How to have a conversation across difference without stepping on a landmine: Frank's mentor's advice about reading the room — start with the Frida Kahlo painting on the wall, not politics

  [40:00] — Simma and Frank agree: food and stories are how you build a bridge. Why curiosity beats tiptoeing every time.

  Frank Carbajal grew up the son of Mexican migrant farmworkers in California's Imperial Valley, where summer temperatures hit 115 degrees and his mother worked the fields through her third trimester. Today he's the founder and president of Es Tiempo LLC, a co-author of three books on Latino leadership, founder of the Silicon Valley Latino Leadership Summit at Stanford University, and a former keynote speaker in Ken Blanchard's network.

  In this conversation with Simma, Frank talks about what it actually means to be Latino in America today — and why that word doesn't fit everyone who could claim it. He breaks down the Bracero Program that brought his parents to the U.S., the "101 Infrastructure Divide" that shows how Latino hands built Silicon Valley while Latino representation in tech sits in the single digits, and why his mother told him being bilingual is a superpower.

  This is a conversation about immigration, identity, family, and what it takes to move from picking fruit in the fields to standing in front of executive boardrooms — without ever forgetting where you came from.

  What You'll Learn

  • What the Bracero Program was, and how it shaped Mexican American families in California for generations
  • Why "Latino" is not one identity — and how to talk to people about their background without making assumptions
  • The real numbers behind Latino representation in education, the corporate boardroom, and venture capital
  • How to start a conversation across race and culture without getting yourself into trouble
  • Why being bilingual is a competitive advantage, not something to hide
  • What "the 101 Infrastructure Divide" means and why it matters for anyone working in or with the tech industry
  • How to spot the difference between performative diversity and actual connection
  
  

  Key Takeaways

  • Latinos are not a monolith. There are 20 Latin American countries, multiple generations of Latino Americans, and people who identify as Latino, Latina, Chicano, Mexican American, American, or simply as a leader — and all of those answers are valid.
  • The hands that built Silicon Valley are not the hands sitting in its boardrooms. Latino representation in tech leadership and venture capital is still in the low single digits despite Latinos making up over 40% of California's population.
  • Conversations across race work when you start with what's in front of you — food, art, family, a shared interest — not with politics or assumptions.
  • Bilingualism is a superpower. So is resilience. Frank's parents had third- and fourth-grade educations and built a life for their children through nothing but hard work.
  • Leadership, not identity politics, is the through-line that travels across borders, languages, and generations.
  
  

  Timestamps

  [00:00] — Simma's opening: why this podcast exists for anyone who wants to talk across race but is afraid of saying the wrong thing

  [02:30] — Meet Frank Carbajal: Es Tiempo LLC, Silicon Valley Latino Leadership Summit, two published books, and the award he's most proud of (hint: it's not the corporate one)

  [05:00] — What legacy means in a Latino family

  [07:00] — The elephant in the room: why race conversations are crucial conversations, and what "healthy conversation" actually looks like

  [09:00] — The numbers don't lie: 65 million Latinos in the U.S., but only 1–2% of PhDs, 1.5% of CEOs and board members, and less than 2% of venture capital

  [11:00] — What is the Latino community, really? Why "Latino" doesn't fit everyone — and why some people say "Just call me a leader"

  [14:00] — The Bracero Program explained: Frank's parents, migrant farmworkers, and the pathway that shaped a generation of Mexican American families

  [17:00] — Born on Juneteenth in 115-degree heat: Frank's mother worked the fields through her third trimester and almost died giving birth to him

  [19:00] — The 101 Infrastructure Divide: how Latino hands built Silicon Valley's buildings by hand — including NVIDIA's $4.9 trillion headquarters — while Latino representation in tech stays in the single digits

  [22:00] — When Simma brought a Spanish-speaking facilitator to a workshop, and her class hated him. Why language alone is not connection.

  [25:00] — Frank's mother's wisdom on sangrón: how she could spot arrogance instantly, and why she'd rather work with a humble white person who spoke Spanish than an arrogant Latino with a sense of entitlement

  [28:00] — Bilingual is a superpower: Frank's parents told him to never be embarrassed, and why he tells his own daughters the same thing

  [30:00] — "Wow, you speak without an accent" — the microaggression Latino professionals know too well, and how Frank handles it

  [32:00] — Afro-Latinos, Caribbean Latinos, Mexican Americans, Chicanos, Latinos of European descent: why the Latino community is not a monolith, and the language families use to describe all the shades within it

  [35:00] — Frank's Brazilian soccer coach who was Afro-Latino, spoke three languages, and taught a 10-year-old Frank what unity actually looks like on a team

  [37:00] — How to have a conversation across difference without stepping on a landmine: Frank's mentor's advice about reading the room — start with the Frida Kahlo painting on the wall, not politics

  [40:00] — Simma and Frank agree: food and stories are how you build a bridge. Why curiosity beats tiptoeing every time.

  Guest Bio

  Frank Carbajal is the founder and president of Es Tiempo LLC, a leadership development and keynote speaking firm. He is the founder of the Silicon Valley Latino Leadership Summit, held at Stanford University, which brings top Latino thought leaders together from across the country.

  He is co-author of Building the Latino Future: Success Stories for the Next Generation (with a foreword by management guru Ken Blanchard) and co-author of El Futuro Latino, published in 14 Latin American countries. He was part of Ken Blanchard's keynote speaker network and works with CEOs, executives, managers, and small business owners on leadership development.

  Frank received the 2013 Father of the Year Award from Building Peaceful Families and the 2013 Portraits of Success Award from the Hispanic Development Corporation. He serves on the advocacy committee for the Silicon Valley Education Foundation. He is the son of Mexican immigrants, the husband of a Salvadoran American wife, and the father of three daughters.

  Connect with Frank Carbajal

  • Email: frank@estiempo.com
  • LinkedIn: Search Frank Carbajal (C-A-R-B-A-J-A-L)
  • Company: Es Tiempo LLC
  
  

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  All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, Everyday Conversations on Race.

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

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  Previous Episodes

  Dr. Gina Paige on African Ancestry: How DNA Reconnects Black Americans to Their African Roots From Black Panther to Corporate America: Elmer Dixon on Race, Revolution, and Why DEI Is Not Dead Why We Can't Stop Talking About Race: A Conversation with Carole Copeland Thomas Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>77f6db58-0a1f-4688-a2b6-c502b0f8095fWed, 20 May 2026 09:56:00 -070042:56falsefull11471471Dr. Gina Paige on African Ancestry: How DNA Reconnects Black Americans to Their African Roots For most Black Americans, the family tree stops at a wall built by slavery. Dr. Gina Paige co-founded African Ancestry to tear down that wall. In this episode, she explains how her company uses DNA to trace Black people back to specific African countries and ethnic groups — not vague regions, not percentages, but actual present-day nations and peoples.

  Gina walks Simma through the science in plain language, explains why African Ancestry gets results other DNA companies can't, and talks about what happens inside people when they finally know where they come from. She also addresses the fears many Black Americans carry about genetic testing — Henrietta Lacks, Tuskegee, and who owns your DNA after you mail it in.

  This conversation is about identity, agency, and reclaiming what slavery tried to erase.

  Timestamps

  02:15 — Meet Dr. Gina Paige The co-founder who started her first business at age 8 — before the internet.

  04:30 — What African Ancestry actually does Tracing Black people back to specific African countries and ethnic groups before the transatlantic slave trade.

  06:45 — From Colgate-Palmolive to Howard University How a corporate marketer partnered with a genetic researcher to build something that had never existed before.

  09:20 — Why genealogy fails Black Americans Black people weren't counted as human beings in US records until the 1870 census. DNA is the only way back.

  11:30 — The science, made simple "If your mother's yellow and your father's blue, what color are you?" How mitochondrial DNA holds the key.

  14:15 — Why everyone gets "Nigeria" from other DNA tests African Ancestry has 33,000+ samples from 35 African countries. The closest competitor has 6,000 — half of them Nigerian.

  17:00 — How African Ancestry is different Other companies look at the mixing. African Ancestry looks at the lines that never mixed.

  19:40 — Charlamagne Tha God and Ebro's roots revealed Mende people in Sierra Leone. Masa people in Cameroon. Specific. Named. Real.

  21:30 — What happens when people get their results "We don't come from people who were enslaved. We come from doctors, healers, astronomers, philosophers, kings and queens."

  24:45 — Why erasing Black history is a losing game Gina on power, pride, and what oppressors don't want you to know.

  27:20 — Your DNA, protected African Ancestry is the only company that cannot sell or share your genetic data. The lab is contractually required to destroy your DNA after testing.

  29:50 — The 23andMe bankruptcy and what happens to your DNA Why insurance companies and pharmaceutical firms should never have access to your genetic information without your knowledge.

  32:10 — Henrietta Lacks, Tuskegee, and the case for participating anyway Gina's honest answer to Black friends who refuse genetic testing out of fear.

  36:00 — One test, one whole family Why Simma's sister taking the test means Simma already has her answer — and so do 25 of her cousins.

  39:15 — Citizenship, name changes, and going home The 12 people who gained Sierra Leonean citizenship. The artists, authors, and families whose lives changed after one result.

  42:30 — What to look for in any at-home DNA test Gina's three rules before you spit in a tube or swab your cheek.

  Guest Bio

  Dr. Gina Paige is co-founder and President of African Ancestry, Inc. In 2003, she pioneered a new way to trace African lineages through genetics. She has revealed the African roots of Oprah Winfrey, John Legend, Chadwick Boseman, Spike Lee, Condoleezza Rice, and the King family. A Washington, DC native and lifelong entrepreneur, Gina launched her first business at age eight and spent her early career running brands at Colgate-Palmolive and Sara Lee before building African Ancestry into the world's largest collection of indigenous African lineage samples.

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  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, Everyday Conversations on Race.

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

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  From Black Panther to Corporate America: Elmer Dixon on Race, Revolution, and Why DEI Is Not Dead Why We Can't Stop Talking About Race: A Conversation with Carole Copeland Thomas What Happens When a White Neighbor Writes a Black Woman's Story? Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]> For most Black Americans, the family tree stops at a wall built by slavery. Dr. Gina Paige co-founded African Ancestry to tear down that wall. In this episode, she explains how her company uses DNA to trace Black people back to specific African countries and ethnic groups — not vague regions, not percentages, but actual present-day nations and peoples.

  Gina walks Simma through the science in plain language, explains why African Ancestry gets results other DNA companies can't, and talks about what happens inside people when they finally know where they come from. She also addresses the fears many Black Americans carry about genetic testing — Henrietta Lacks, Tuskegee, and who owns your DNA after you mail it in.

  This conversation is about identity, agency, and reclaiming what slavery tried to erase.

  Timestamps

  02:15 — Meet Dr. Gina Paige The co-founder who started her first business at age 8 — before the internet.

  04:30 — What African Ancestry actually does Tracing Black people back to specific African countries and ethnic groups before the transatlantic slave trade.

  06:45 — From Colgate-Palmolive to Howard University How a corporate marketer partnered with a genetic researcher to build something that had never existed before.

  09:20 — Why genealogy fails Black Americans Black people weren't counted as human beings in US records until the 1870 census. DNA is the only way back.

  11:30 — The science, made simple "If your mother's yellow and your father's blue, what color are you?" How mitochondrial DNA holds the key.

  14:15 — Why everyone gets "Nigeria" from other DNA tests African Ancestry has 33,000+ samples from 35 African countries. The closest competitor has 6,000 — half of them Nigerian.

  17:00 — How African Ancestry is different Other companies look at the mixing. African Ancestry looks at the lines that never mixed.

  19:40 — Charlamagne Tha God and Ebro's roots revealed Mende people in Sierra Leone. Masa people in Cameroon. Specific. Named. Real.

  21:30 — What happens when people get their results "We don't come from people who were enslaved. We come from doctors, healers, astronomers, philosophers, kings and queens."

  24:45 — Why erasing Black history is a losing game Gina on power, pride, and what oppressors don't want you to know.

  27:20 — Your DNA, protected African Ancestry is the only company that cannot sell or share your genetic data. The lab is contractually required to destroy your DNA after testing.

  29:50 — The 23andMe bankruptcy and what happens to your DNA Why insurance companies and pharmaceutical firms should never have access to your genetic information without your knowledge.

  32:10 — Henrietta Lacks, Tuskegee, and the case for participating anyway Gina's honest answer to Black friends who refuse genetic testing out of fear.

  36:00 — One test, one whole family Why Simma's sister taking the test means Simma already has her answer — and so do 25 of her cousins.

  39:15 — Citizenship, name changes, and going home The 12 people who gained Sierra Leonean citizenship. The artists, authors, and families whose lives changed after one result.

  42:30 — What to look for in any at-home DNA test Gina's three rules before you spit in a tube or swab your cheek.

  Guest Bio

  Dr. Gina Paige is co-founder and President of African Ancestry, Inc. In 2003, she pioneered a new way to trace African lineages through genetics. She has revealed the African roots of Oprah Winfrey, John Legend, Chadwick Boseman, Spike Lee, Condoleezza Rice, and the King family. A Washington, DC native and lifelong entrepreneur, Gina launched her first business at age eight and spent her early career running brands at Colgate-Palmolive and Sara Lee before building African Ancestry into the world's largest collection of indigenous African lineage samples.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, Everyday Conversations on Race.

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

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  From Black Panther to Corporate America: Elmer Dixon on Race, Revolution, and Why DEI Is Not Dead Why We Can't Stop Talking About Race: A Conversation with Carole Copeland Thomas What Happens When a White Neighbor Writes a Black Woman's Story? Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>e52ab8f5-1afd-4f8c-9864-455f1082622cFri, 24 Apr 2026 15:45:00 -070054:10falsefull11461461From Black Panther to Corporate America: Elmer Dixon on Race, Revolution, and Why DEI Is Not DeadSimma Lieberman and Elmer Dixon go back over 50 years — she was in the Young Patriots, he was co-founding the first Black Panther Party chapter outside California. In this conversation, they cut through the lies, revisionist history, and current attacks on DEI to talk about what the Black Panther Party actually stood for, why erasing Black history will never work, and what it takes to stay courageous when the political winds turn ugly.

  Elmer shares what it was like to transition from revolutionary to corporate diversity consultant, corrects the record on the myths about the Panthers, and gives three direct pieces of advice for anyone trying to stay grounded right now.

  What You'll Hear

  • Why Elmer and Simma were part of the original Rainbow Coalition — and who actually coined that phrase (hint: it wasn't Jesse Jackson)

  • The two biggest lies still being told about the Black Panther Party — and the truth behind them

  • What it felt like to leave the movement and step into "Babylon" with four kids to feed

  • A Black student who compared the Panthers to the KKK — and what that tells us about deliberate historical distortion

  • How the Netherlands teaches Black Panther history in school while the U.S. tries to erase it

  • The Seattle Black Panther Legacy Center opening this June in Pioneer Square

  • Why DEI is not affirmative action, and what "DEI hire" really reveals about the people saying it

  • Elmer's three things everyone needs right now: self-education, self-love, and courage

  Timestamps [01:30] Introducing Elmer Dixon — 52 years of knowing each other, Black Panthers and Young Patriots

  [03:00] Elmer's full bio — Seattle BPP, city cabinet, Executive Diversity Services, global work

  [06:30] Is it still important to talk about race? Elmer answers directly

  [08:00] From revolutionary to corporate America — the transition, the trauma, and the four kids

  [11:00] The early days: co-founding the Seattle chapter, Bobby Hutton's funeral, J. Edgar Hoover's threat designation

  [15:00] Bobby Seale for Mayor, political prisoner, shifting eras inside the party

  [18:00] Simma's question: What do you say to people spreading lies about the Black Panther Party?

  [20:00] Correcting the record — Japanese BPP member Mike Tagawa, mixed-race members, Huey Newton's own words on racism

  [23:00] The Rainbow Coalition — who really coined the phrase, and which organizations were part of it

  [25:00] The two lies: "They were racist" and "They were violent" — and what the party actually stood for

  [29:00] The art school student who compared the Panthers to the KKK — and how deliberate distortion works

  [32:00] Speaking in France, and why Dutch schoolchildren learn the real Black Panther history

  [36:00] The attempt to erase Black history — why it won't work, and who's holding the torch

  [39:00] The Seattle Black Panther Legacy Center — Pioneer Square demo site opening June 2025, permanent site search

  [43:00] Young people picking up the torch — the Black Panther Park mural, the historic family home as landmark

  [46:00] DEI is not affirmative action — what "DEI hire" really means, and why companies are wrong to be scared

  [50:00] Paper tigers — how the Panthers faced Nixon and Hoover, and what that means for today

  [53:00] Elmer's three pieces of advice: self-educate, love yourself first, be courageous

  Guest Links

  • Elmer Dixon website: elmerdixon.com

  • Book: Die Standing: From Black Panther Revolutionary to Global Diversity Consultant (Two Sisters Writing and Publishing, 2023)

  • Elmer's TEDx Talk: Stories from the Revolution's Front Lines

  Connect with Simma

  • Website & episodes: raceconvo.com

  • Email: simma@simmalieberman.com

  • Donate to support the show: raceconvo.com

  Guest Bio

  Elmer Dixon has spent his life fighting for justice, equality, and belonging—values rooted in who he is and the experiences that shaped him. At 17, inspired by the Black Liberation Movement of the 1960s, he co-founded the Seattle Chapter of the Black Panther Party with his older brother, Aaron. It was the first chapter outside of California, and together they built a movement that provided essential services to Black and Brown communities in their city.

  Connect with Simma Lieberman

  Need a speaker, facilitator, or dialogue leader who helps people talk with each other—not past each other?

  Contact Simma: simma@simmalieberman.com

  Learn more and support the show: RaceConvo.com

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  Share the Conversation

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  Why We Can't Stop Talking About Race: A Conversation with Carole Copeland Thomas What Happens When a White Neighbor Writes a Black Woman's Story? Do We Still Need to Talk About Race?]]>Simma Lieberman and Elmer Dixon go back over 50 years — she was in the Young Patriots, he was co-founding the first Black Panther Party chapter outside California. In this conversation, they cut through the lies, revisionist history, and current attacks on DEI to talk about what the Black Panther Party actually stood for, why erasing Black history will never work, and what it takes to stay courageous when the political winds turn ugly.

  Elmer shares what it was like to transition from revolutionary to corporate diversity consultant, corrects the record on the myths about the Panthers, and gives three direct pieces of advice for anyone trying to stay grounded right now.

  What You'll Hear

  • Why Elmer and Simma were part of the original Rainbow Coalition — and who actually coined that phrase (hint: it wasn't Jesse Jackson)

  • The two biggest lies still being told about the Black Panther Party — and the truth behind them

  • What it felt like to leave the movement and step into "Babylon" with four kids to feed

  • A Black student who compared the Panthers to the KKK — and what that tells us about deliberate historical distortion

  • How the Netherlands teaches Black Panther history in school while the U.S. tries to erase it

  • The Seattle Black Panther Legacy Center opening this June in Pioneer Square

  • Why DEI is not affirmative action, and what "DEI hire" really reveals about the people saying it

  • Elmer's three things everyone needs right now: self-education, self-love, and courage

  Timestamps [01:30] Introducing Elmer Dixon — 52 years of knowing each other, Black Panthers and Young Patriots

  [03:00] Elmer's full bio — Seattle BPP, city cabinet, Executive Diversity Services, global work

  [06:30] Is it still important to talk about race? Elmer answers directly

  [08:00] From revolutionary to corporate America — the transition, the trauma, and the four kids

  [11:00] The early days: co-founding the Seattle chapter, Bobby Hutton's funeral, J. Edgar Hoover's threat designation

  [15:00] Bobby Seale for Mayor, political prisoner, shifting eras inside the party

  [18:00] Simma's question: What do you say to people spreading lies about the Black Panther Party?

  [20:00] Correcting the record — Japanese BPP member Mike Tagawa, mixed-race members, Huey Newton's own words on racism

  [23:00] The Rainbow Coalition — who really coined the phrase, and which organizations were part of it

  [25:00] The two lies: "They were racist" and "They were violent" — and what the party actually stood for

  [29:00] The art school student who compared the Panthers to the KKK — and how deliberate distortion works

  [32:00] Speaking in France, and why Dutch schoolchildren learn the real Black Panther history

  [36:00] The attempt to erase Black history — why it won't work, and who's holding the torch

  [39:00] The Seattle Black Panther Legacy Center — Pioneer Square demo site opening June 2025, permanent site search

  [43:00] Young people picking up the torch — the Black Panther Park mural, the historic family home as landmark

  [46:00] DEI is not affirmative action — what "DEI hire" really means, and why companies are wrong to be scared

  [50:00] Paper tigers — how the Panthers faced Nixon and Hoover, and what that means for today

  [53:00] Elmer's three pieces of advice: self-educate, love yourself first, be courageous

  Guest Links

  • Elmer Dixon website: elmerdixon.com

  • Book: Die Standing: From Black Panther Revolutionary to Global Diversity Consultant (Two Sisters Writing and Publishing, 2023)

  • Elmer's TEDx Talk: Stories from the Revolution's Front Lines

  Connect with Simma

  • Website & episodes: raceconvo.com

  • Email: simma@simmalieberman.com

  • Donate to support the show: raceconvo.com

  Guest Bio

  Elmer Dixon has spent his life fighting for justice, equality, and belonging—values rooted in who he is and the experiences that shaped him. At 17, inspired by the Black Liberation Movement of the 1960s, he co-founded the Seattle Chapter of the Black Panther Party with his older brother, Aaron. It was the first chapter outside of California, and together they built a movement that provided essential services to Black and Brown communities in their city.

  Connect with Simma Lieberman

  Need a speaker, facilitator, or dialogue leader who helps people talk with each other—not past each other?

  Contact Simma: simma@simmalieberman.com

  Learn more and support the show: RaceConvo.com

  Instagram Facebook Twitter LinkedIn Tiktok Website

  Share the Conversation

  If this episode made you think, please share it with a friend or colleague.

  Real conversations across differences start when someone decides to listen.

  Please help these necessary conversations continue- Make a one-time, or monthly tax-deductible donation of $5.00 https://fundraising.fracturedatlas.org/everyday-conversations-on-race-for-everyday-people

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  Why We Can't Stop Talking About Race: A Conversation with Carole Copeland Thomas What Happens When a White Neighbor Writes a Black Woman's Story? Do We Still Need to Talk About Race?]]>78ec2794-36fa-4bb2-9585-fc284d5cf5caSun, 05 Apr 2026 05:34:00 -070043:29falsefull11451451Why We Can't Stop Talking About Race: A Conversation with Carole Copeland ThomasCarole Copeland Thomas has been black all her life — and she's spent decades making sure that means something in every room she walks into. Born in a Black hospital in Detroit during segregation, raised in a middle-class family where college was expected and Black excellence was the air she breathed.

  Carole became a Certified Speaking Professional (CSP) who helps organizations turn complex challenges into real action.

  In this conversation, Carole and Simma go deep — on race, history, identity, the current political moment, and what all of us need to do right now.

  They talk about why race is still the conversation we can't skip, what the BAFTA incident with John Davidson tells us about how racist language gets embedded in the brain, and why erasing HBCUs, Black Greek organizations, and Black history doesn't just harm Black people — it harms everyone.

  They also get into the overlooked history of Black-Jewish solidarity in the civil rights movement, the economic consequences of Project 2025, and what resistance actually looks like in 2026 — from Delta Sigma Theta's Capitol Hill days to the Costco parking lot.

  This is a conversation for people who want to understand where we are, how we got here, and what to do next.

  3 Key Takeaways From This Episode

  1- Know your history — all of it. You can't understand where we are without knowing how race was legally constructed in this country, why HBCUs and Black Greek organizations exist, and why the Black-Jewish alliance in the civil rights movement matters. Ignorance isn't neutral — it leaves you open to misinformation.

  2- A reason is not an excuse. Whether it's the BAFTA incident, racially charged policies, or everyday bias — understanding why something happened doesn't make it okay. Hold both truths: context matters, and so does impact.

  3- Resistance is not optional — and it's not one thing. Vote in the 2026 primaries. Show up for your neighbors across difference. Support organizations like the ACLU and NAACP. Use your voice at work, in your community, and at the polls. What Simma and Carole do every day — having these conversations — is also resistance.

  TIMESTAMPS

  0:00 — Introduction & welcome 2:15 — Introducing Carole Copeland Thomas: CSP speaker, leadership expert, Boston-based 5:00 — Carole congratulates Simma for keeping the podcast name9:00 — DEI under attack: Time Magazine, equity vs. equality, and why the concepts aren't going anywhere13:30 — "We're OGs in this field" — what diversity originally meant before it became a buzzword15:30 — Why are we still talking about race? Race as a social construct rooted in the 1700s18:00 — The Constitution, Article 1, Section 2: when race became law 20:00 — The BAFTA incident: John Davidson, Tourette's, the N-word, and Michael Jordan on stage 25:00 — How does a word get imprinted in the brain? Why that question matters 28:30 — Carole's personal story: growing up Black and middle class in Detroit32:00 — Born in a Black hospital — segregation in Michigan in the 1950s 35:00 — Black excellence, Black businesses, and a community that thrived inside restrictions38:00 — HBCUs: Carole went to Emory (a PWI); why Black colleges matter and always will 42:00 — Black Greek organizations — Delta Sigma Theta, the Divine Nine, and lifelong public service 46:00 — Black history IS American history — you can't erase one without erasing the other 49:00 — The Black-Jewish relationship: deep history, civil rights, shared struggle53:00 — Julius Rosenwald, Rabbi Heschel, and the Jewish funding of the civil rights movement 57:00 — Stephen Miller and the contradiction of Jewish white nationalism 1:01:00 — The N-word: its history, its use within the Black community, and why context doesn't make it okay for outsiders 1:05:00 — Nazi Germany, Project 2025, DOGE, and the parallels people need to wake up to 1:10:00 — Erasing immigrants, cutting Black scholarships, defunding trades: who's going to do the work?1:14:00 — What we must do: vote in the 2026 primaries, resist, and educate 1:17:00 — Costco stands firm on inclusion — and the people showed up 1:20:00 — White allies who gave their lives: Viola Liuzzo, Goodman and Schwerner, John Brown 1:23:00 — Carole's closing message: neighbors across difference, the world she wants to live in 1:26:00 — How to reach Carole; Simma's closing and call to action

  About the Guests

  Carole Copeland Thomas has been impacting the world in a significant way for over thirty-six years. Captivating audiences around the world since starting her business in 1987, Carole creates community as an internationally-recognized keynote speaker, thought leader, and cultural collaborator. She has spoken in nearly every state in the US and nine other countries, including England, Canada, Kenya, India, Guyana, Japan, El Salvador, South Africa, and Australia.

  Carole presented her signature message on "Facing Fear" at the TEDx Waltham event in Waltham, Massachusetts. The speech is available to view on the TEDx Channel on YouTube. In addition to her other business client activities, Carole served for 18 months as the Interim Vice President and Chief Diversity Officer at Curry College in Milton, Massachusetts.

  RESOURCES MENTIONED

  ● USUK Race Summit — Michael Curry's keynote available at usukrace.com

  ● Carole Copeland Thomas — carolcopelandthomas.com

  ● ACLU — aclu.org

  ● NAACP — naacp.org

  ● Delta Sigma Theta Sorority — Delta Days at the Nation's Capitol (annual legislative advocacy event)

  ● The US Constitution — Read and memorize the First Amendment

  ● BAFTA 2025 incident — John Davidson, Tourette's syndrome, and the N-word on stage

  ● Project 2025 — referenced throughout as the policy blueprint behind current administration actions

  ● Julius Rosenwald — co-founder of Sears, funded education for Black students across the South

  ● Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel — Jewish civil rights leader who marched alongside Dr. King

  ● Viola Liuzzo — white Detroit mother killed during the Selma-to-Montgomery marches, 1965

  ● Andrew Goodman & Michael Schwerner — civil rights workers murdered in Mississippi, 1964

  ● James Baldwin — writer and intellectual; his work on Black-Jewish history referenced

  Connect with Simma Lieberman

  Need a speaker, facilitator, or dialogue leader who helps people talk with each other—not past each other?

  Contact Simma: simma@simmalieberman.com

  Learn more and support the show: RaceConvo.com

  Instagram Facebook Twitter LinkedIn Tiktok Website

  Share the Conversation

  If this episode made you think, please share it with a friend or colleague.

  Real conversations across differences start when someone decides to listen.

  Please help these necessary conversations continue- Make a one-time, or monthly tax-deductible donation of $5.00 https://fundraising.fracturedatlas.org/everyday-conversations-on-race-for-everyday-people

  All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.

  Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating

  Previous...]]>Carole Copeland Thomas has been black all her life — and she's spent decades making sure that means something in every room she walks into. Born in a Black hospital in Detroit during segregation, raised in a middle-class family where college was expected and Black excellence was the air she breathed.

  Carole became a Certified Speaking Professional (CSP) who helps organizations turn complex challenges into real action.

  In this conversation, Carole and Simma go deep — on race, history, identity, the current political moment, and what all of us need to do right now.

  They talk about why race is still the conversation we can't skip, what the BAFTA incident with John Davidson tells us about how racist language gets embedded in the brain, and why erasing HBCUs, Black Greek organizations, and Black history doesn't just harm Black people — it harms everyone.

  They also get into the overlooked history of Black-Jewish solidarity in the civil rights movement, the economic consequences of Project 2025, and what resistance actually looks like in 2026 — from Delta Sigma Theta's Capitol Hill days to the Costco parking lot.

  This is a conversation for people who want to understand where we are, how we got here, and what to do next.

  3 Key Takeaways From This Episode

  1- Know your history — all of it. You can't understand where we are without knowing how race was legally constructed in this country, why HBCUs and Black Greek organizations exist, and why the Black-Jewish alliance in the civil rights movement matters. Ignorance isn't neutral — it leaves you open to misinformation.

  2- A reason is not an excuse. Whether it's the BAFTA incident, racially charged policies, or everyday bias — understanding why something happened doesn't make it okay. Hold both truths: context matters, and so does impact.

  3- Resistance is not optional — and it's not one thing. Vote in the 2026 primaries. Show up for your neighbors across difference. Support organizations like the ACLU and NAACP. Use your voice at work, in your community, and at the polls. What Simma and Carole do every day — having these conversations — is also resistance.

  TIMESTAMPS

  0:00 — Introduction & welcome 2:15 — Introducing Carole Copeland Thomas: CSP speaker, leadership expert, Boston-based 5:00 — Carole congratulates Simma for keeping the podcast name9:00 — DEI under attack: Time Magazine, equity vs. equality, and why the concepts aren't going anywhere13:30 — "We're OGs in this field" — what diversity originally meant before it became a buzzword15:30 — Why are we still talking about race? Race as a social construct rooted in the 1700s18:00 — The Constitution, Article 1, Section 2: when race became law 20:00 — The BAFTA incident: John Davidson, Tourette's, the N-word, and Michael Jordan on stage 25:00 — How does a word get imprinted in the brain? Why that question matters 28:30 — Carole's personal story: growing up Black and middle class in Detroit32:00 — Born in a Black hospital — segregation in Michigan in the 1950s 35:00 — Black excellence, Black businesses, and a community that thrived inside restrictions38:00 — HBCUs: Carole went to Emory (a PWI); why Black colleges matter and always will 42:00 — Black Greek organizations — Delta Sigma Theta, the Divine Nine, and lifelong public service 46:00 — Black history IS American history — you can't erase one without erasing the other 49:00 — The Black-Jewish relationship: deep history, civil rights, shared struggle53:00 — Julius Rosenwald, Rabbi Heschel, and the Jewish funding of the civil rights movement 57:00 — Stephen Miller and the contradiction of Jewish white nationalism 1:01:00 — The N-word: its history, its use within the Black community, and why context doesn't make it okay for outsiders 1:05:00 — Nazi Germany, Project 2025, DOGE, and the parallels people need to wake up to 1:10:00 — Erasing immigrants, cutting Black scholarships, defunding trades: who's going to do the work?1:14:00 — What we must do: vote in the 2026 primaries, resist, and educate 1:17:00 — Costco stands firm on inclusion — and the people showed up 1:20:00 — White allies who gave their lives: Viola Liuzzo, Goodman and Schwerner, John Brown 1:23:00 — Carole's closing message: neighbors across difference, the world she wants to live in 1:26:00 — How to reach Carole; Simma's closing and call to action

  About the Guests

  Carole Copeland Thomas has been impacting the world in a significant way for over thirty-six years. Captivating audiences around the world since starting her business in 1987, Carole creates community as an internationally-recognized keynote speaker, thought leader, and cultural collaborator. She has spoken in nearly every state in the US and nine other countries, including England, Canada, Kenya, India, Guyana, Japan, El Salvador, South Africa, and Australia.

  Carole presented her signature message on "Facing Fear" at the TEDx Waltham event in Waltham, Massachusetts. The speech is available to view on the TEDx Channel on YouTube. In addition to her other business client activities, Carole served for 18 months as the Interim Vice President and Chief Diversity Officer at Curry College in Milton, Massachusetts.

  RESOURCES MENTIONED

  ● USUK Race Summit — Michael Curry's keynote available at usukrace.com

  ● Carole Copeland Thomas — carolcopelandthomas.com

  ● ACLU — aclu.org

  ● NAACP — naacp.org

  ● Delta Sigma Theta Sorority — Delta Days at the Nation's Capitol (annual legislative advocacy event)

  ● The US Constitution — Read and memorize the First Amendment

  ● BAFTA 2025 incident — John Davidson, Tourette's syndrome, and the N-word on stage

  ● Project 2025 — referenced throughout as the policy blueprint behind current administration actions

  ● Julius Rosenwald — co-founder of Sears, funded education for Black students across the South

  ● Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel — Jewish civil rights leader who marched alongside Dr. King

  ● Viola Liuzzo — white Detroit mother killed during the Selma-to-Montgomery marches, 1965

  ● Andrew Goodman & Michael Schwerner — civil rights workers murdered in Mississippi, 1964

  ● James Baldwin — writer and intellectual; his work on Black-Jewish history referenced

  Connect with Simma Lieberman

  Need a speaker, facilitator, or dialogue leader who helps people talk with each other—not past each other?

  Contact Simma: simma@simmalieberman.com

  Learn more and support the show: RaceConvo.com

  Instagram Facebook Twitter LinkedIn Tiktok Website

  Share the Conversation

  If this episode made you think, please share it with a friend or colleague.

  Real conversations across differences start when someone decides to listen.

  Please help these necessary conversations continue- Make a one-time, or monthly tax-deductible donation of $5.00 https://fundraising.fracturedatlas.org/everyday-conversations-on-race-for-everyday-people

  All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.

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  What Happens When a White Neighbor Writes a Black Woman's Story? Do We Still Need to Talk About Race? Can Women of Color and White Women Be Friends?]]>83bc4ed0-be53-4faf-a745-554a3d694460Sat, 28 Mar 2026 04:55:00 -070055:44falsefull11441441What Happens When a White Neighbor Writes a Black Woman's Story? What happens when two neighbors—one Black, one white—move beyond small talk and start sharing their real stories?

  In this episode, Simma talks with Sandra Eggleston and Bill Byrne, whose unlikely friendship led to the book MLK to Brother Ray: A Woman's Adventure of Social Transformation, Political Revolution, and Personal Affirmation.

  Sandra spent four decades as a United Airlines flight attendant during a time when the U.S. was being reshaped by the Civil Rights Movement and the Women's Movement. Along the way she met cultural icons, witnessed historic events, and navigated racism and sexism in ways many younger Americans have never heard about firsthand.

  Bill, her white neighbor in Virginia, started hearing Sandra's stories around neighborhood gatherings. The more he listened, the more he realized these weren't just personal memories—they were living history. What began as curiosity turned into a book and a friendship that changed how he sees the world.

  Their conversation with Simma explores how stories build understanding, why personal relationships matter in conversations about race, and how history still shapes our lives today.

  PS- I did not want this conversation to end, and neither will you.

  Key Moments

  00:00 – Simma introduces the show and the guests 03:00 – How Sandra and Bill became neighbors and friends 05:30 – Why Bill decided to write a book about Sandra 09:00 – Sandra's connection to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. 13:30 – Growing up during segregation and the Civil Rights era 17:30 – Sandra's early experience as a Black flight attendant in the South 24:00 – How writing the book changed Bill's understanding of race and history 29:30 – Why personal stories matter more than statistics 34:30 – What meaningful cross-race friendships can teach us 40:30 – Books, music, and stories that help people understand each other 47:00 – Final reflections on relationships, history, and change

  About the Guests

  Biography of book's subject: Sandra Eggleston MLK to Brother Ray, A woman's adventure of social transformation, political revolution and personal affirmation, tells the story of Sandra Eggleston. "Sandee" came of age during a time of revolution. Regardless of the challenge, she found her way forward, often guiding those close to her along the way. Daughter. Sister. Friend. Godmother. Colleague. A platoon sergeant on the front lines of both the civil rights and women's liberation movements.

  Her journey took her to international jazz festivals, Caribbean beaches, and across the country in an MGB convertible. Sandee met political power brokers, sports superstars and music legends. She survived plane crashes, murder trials, and cancer, experiencing the full spectrum of life's joys and sorrows, from weddings and Christenings to divorce. Sandee's life experiences combined with the author's research into their historical context challenge the reader to move beyond a superficial debate of today's controversies. Stories from her home and workplace bring an intimate and compelling perspective to the social and political upheaval of the 1960s and 70s. The struggles and the victories. The heartbreaks, and the healing power of family, friendship, and faith.

  About the Author: Bill Byrne MLK to Brother Ray is the author's third and most recent writing project. Previous books include the science fiction thriller Total Immersion and the memoir, How Long Does It Take to Catch a Fish? Four lifelong friends find themselves trapped in a high-tech, virtual reality adventure of life and death in Total Immersion. How Long Does It Take to Catch a Fish is a collection of stories about fathers and sons and sons and fathers. It explores how dads and their male offspring can be understood as two sides of the same coin, - unique yet intertwined, shaping one another across generations. The author is a career switcher from technology marketing to education. He resides with his wife (also a teacher!) in Northern Virginia. They travel often to visit their children's growing families in Brooklyn and Florida. When not writing, he enjoys running and playing the fiddle.

  More information can be found at MLKtoBrotherRay.com

  Book Mentioned

  MLK to Brother Ray: A Woman's Adventure of Social Transformation, Political Revolution, and Personal Affirmation by Bill Byrne

  Available on Amazon

  More information: MLKtoBrotherRay.com

  Why This Conversation Matters

  Many people today know the Civil Rights Movement only through textbooks and headlines. Sandra lived it. Bill discovered it through listening.

  Their friendship shows what can happen when people take the time to hear each other's stories—something Simma has been encouraging through her work and this podcast for years.

  Connect with Simma Lieberman

  Need a speaker, facilitator, or dialogue leader who helps people talk with each other—not past each other?

  Contact Simma: simma@simmalieberman.com

  Learn more and support the show: RaceConvo.com

  Instagram Facebook Twitter LinkedIn Tiktok Website

  Share the Conversation

  If this episode made you think, please share it with a friend or colleague.

  Real conversations across differences start when someone decides to listen.

  Please help these necessary conversations continue- Make a one-time, or monthly tax-deductible donation of $5.00 https://fundraising.fracturedatlas.org/everyday-conversations-on-race-for-everyday-people

  All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.

  Loved this episode? What happens when two neighbors—one Black, one white—move beyond small talk and start sharing their real stories?

  In this episode, Simma talks with Sandra Eggleston and Bill Byrne, whose unlikely friendship led to the book MLK to Brother Ray: A Woman's Adventure of Social Transformation, Political Revolution, and Personal Affirmation.

  Sandra spent four decades as a United Airlines flight attendant during a time when the U.S. was being reshaped by the Civil Rights Movement and the Women's Movement. Along the way she met cultural icons, witnessed historic events, and navigated racism and sexism in ways many younger Americans have never heard about firsthand.

  Bill, her white neighbor in Virginia, started hearing Sandra's stories around neighborhood gatherings. The more he listened, the more he realized these weren't just personal memories—they were living history. What began as curiosity turned into a book and a friendship that changed how he sees the world.

  Their conversation with Simma explores how stories build understanding, why personal relationships matter in conversations about race, and how history still shapes our lives today.

  PS- I did not want this conversation to end, and neither will you.

  Key Moments

  00:00 – Simma introduces the show and the guests 03:00 – How Sandra and Bill became neighbors and friends 05:30 – Why Bill decided to write a book about Sandra 09:00 – Sandra's connection to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. 13:30 – Growing up during segregation and the Civil Rights era 17:30 – Sandra's early experience as a Black flight attendant in the South 24:00 – How writing the book changed Bill's understanding of race and history 29:30 – Why personal stories matter more than statistics 34:30 – What meaningful cross-race friendships can teach us 40:30 – Books, music, and stories that help people understand each other 47:00 – Final reflections on relationships, history, and change

  About the Guests

  Biography of book's subject: Sandra Eggleston MLK to Brother Ray, A woman's adventure of social transformation, political revolution and personal affirmation, tells the story of Sandra Eggleston. "Sandee" came of age during a time of revolution. Regardless of the challenge, she found her way forward, often guiding those close to her along the way. Daughter. Sister. Friend. Godmother. Colleague. A platoon sergeant on the front lines of both the civil rights and women's liberation movements.

  Her journey took her to international jazz festivals, Caribbean beaches, and across the country in an MGB convertible. Sandee met political power brokers, sports superstars and music legends. She survived plane crashes, murder trials, and cancer, experiencing the full spectrum of life's joys and sorrows, from weddings and Christenings to divorce. Sandee's life experiences combined with the author's research into their historical context challenge the reader to move beyond a superficial debate of today's controversies. Stories from her home and workplace bring an intimate and compelling perspective to the social and political upheaval of the 1960s and 70s. The struggles and the victories. The heartbreaks, and the healing power of family, friendship, and faith.

  About the Author: Bill Byrne MLK to Brother Ray is the author's third and most recent writing project. Previous books include the science fiction thriller Total Immersion and the memoir, How Long Does It Take to Catch a Fish? Four lifelong friends find themselves trapped in a high-tech, virtual reality adventure of life and death in Total Immersion. How Long Does It Take to Catch a Fish is a collection of stories about fathers and sons and sons and fathers. It explores how dads and their male offspring can be understood as two sides of the same coin, - unique yet intertwined, shaping one another across generations. The author is a career switcher from technology marketing to education. He resides with his wife (also a teacher!) in Northern Virginia. They travel often to visit their children's growing families in Brooklyn and Florida. When not writing, he enjoys running and playing the fiddle.

  More information can be found at MLKtoBrotherRay.com

  Book Mentioned

  MLK to Brother Ray: A Woman's Adventure of Social Transformation, Political Revolution, and Personal Affirmation by Bill Byrne

  Available on Amazon

  More information: MLKtoBrotherRay.com

  Why This Conversation Matters

  Many people today know the Civil Rights Movement only through textbooks and headlines. Sandra lived it. Bill discovered it through listening.

  Their friendship shows what can happen when people take the time to hear each other's stories—something Simma has been encouraging through her work and this podcast for years.

  Connect with Simma Lieberman

  Need a speaker, facilitator, or dialogue leader who helps people talk with each other—not past each other?

  Contact Simma: simma@simmalieberman.com

  Learn more and support the show: RaceConvo.com

  Instagram Facebook Twitter LinkedIn Tiktok Website

  Share the Conversation

  If this episode made you think, please share it with a friend or colleague.

  Real conversations across differences start when someone decides to listen.

  Please help these necessary conversations continue- Make a one-time, or monthly tax-deductible donation of $5.00 https://fundraising.fracturedatlas.org/everyday-conversations-on-race-for-everyday-people

  All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.

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  Do We Still Need to Talk About Race? Can Women of Color and White Women Be Friends? What Was DEI Actually Meant to Do—and Why Did It Go Off Track?]]>2f125a02-f557-4d23-ae7f-f44b39252bb4Sun, 08 Mar 2026 10:25:00 -070047:25falsefull11431431Do We Still Need to Talk About Race?In this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, host Simma Lieberman welcomes Verna Williams, CEO of Equal Justice Works, former law professor, and former dean, for a powerful conversation about race, justice, and access to legal representation in America.

  Verna explains why race remains a necessary topic—not to assign personal blame, but to understand how systems shaped by slavery and segregation continue to influence opportunity and social hierarchy today.

  She reflects on growing up in the Washington, DC and Maryland area, attending both predominantly white and predominantly Black schools. Those experiences sharpened her awareness of being "different" and highlighted how segregated many of our lives still are. Even today, she encounters moments when someone tells her she is the first Black person they've had a meaningful conversation with—evidence of how separation persists.

  As CEO of Equal Justice Works—the nation's largest postgraduate public-interest legal fellowship program—Verna works to address a staggering reality: 92% of low-income people's civil legal needs go unmet. She explains how civil legal problems such as eviction, wage garnishment, loss of benefits, and family instability create economic insecurity and can even lead to involvement in the criminal legal system. Unlike criminal cases, there is no guaranteed right to counsel in high-stakes civil matters, leaving millions to navigate life-altering situations alone.

  Verna describes how Equal Justice Works partners with law firms, corporations, and foundations to fund fellowships that send lawyers into underserved communities. She highlights the organization's Disaster Resilience Program, created after Hurricane Katrina, which helps communities navigate FEMA claims, insurance issues, document replacement, and preparedness planning.

  She also shares her personal journey—from broadcast journalism to law—motivated by fairness and shaped by the civil rights and women's rights movements. Her career has included work on voting rights, women's rights, veterans' benefits, and debt collection reform. She also argued—and won—a 5–4 U.S. Supreme Court case establishing that schools must address known student-on-student sexual harassment under Title IX.

  The conversation explores immigration representation, reports of ICE detentions at court hearings, and practical ways non-lawyers can help—through translation, court accompaniment, and local volunteer efforts. Verna encourages listeners to stay informed through reputable sources, vote, and engage locally in school boards and city councils.

  She also shares personal reflections on music and film—and clarifies her role as Michelle Obama's oral historian during the early White House years, after the two were law school classmates.

  This episode connects race, law, and economic justice—and offers clear examples of how everyday engagement can strengthen democracy.

  Time Stamps 00:00 Welcome to Race Convo: Why These Conversations Matter 00:58 Meet Verna Williams + The Big Question: Do We Still Need to Talk About Race? 02:16 Race as a Social Hierarchy: How History Still Shapes Today 03:54 Growing Up Integrated: Verna's Schools, Identity, and Feeling 'Different' 05:15 Segregation in Real Life: 'First Black Person I've Talked To' + Why the Podcast Exists 08:04 What Equal Justice Works Does: Closing the Civil Legal Help Gap 09:52 Why Verna Chose Justice Work: Early Racism, Fairness, and Civil Rights Roots 12:29 Civil vs. Criminal: The Hidden Crisis of No Right to Counsel 17:50 How Equal Justice Works Operates: Fellowships, Funding, and Disaster Resilience 21:00 Verna's Career Path + Arguing a Landmark Title IX Case at the Supreme Court 25:42 Keeping Progress Moving Forward: Training the Next Generation of Public Interest Leaders 26:30 Making Public Interest Careers Possible: Loan Forgiveness & Funding Support 27:31 Why This Work Matters: Building Leaders Through Equal Justice Works 28:46 Training for Empathy: Community-Led Lawyering & Fellow Learning Networks 30:16 Immigrant Justice on the Front Lines: Asylum, ICE at Court & Finding Hope 32:28 How Non-Lawyers Can Help: Volunteering, Translating & Getting Involved 34:11 Where to Plug In: EJW, Legal Services Corp & Other Advocacy Orgs 37:11 Staying Hopeful: History, Collective Action & Cross-Political Coalitions 43:51 Michelle Obama Connection: Serving as Her Oral Historian 45:26 Rapid-Fire Fun: Playlists, Oscar Movies & What to Watch Next 47:43 Final Call to Action: Get Informed, Vote Local & Show Up

  Guest Bio

  Verna L. Williams (she/her) is the CEO of Equal Justice Works. In her role as CEO, Verna has continued to advance the mission of Equal Justice Works to create opportunities for leaders to transform their passion for equal justice into a lifelong commitment to public service.

  Verna brings with her an extensive background of experience teaching and practicing law, as well as researching civil and women's rights. Verna previously served as the dean of the University of Cincinnati College of Law, where she was a professor prior to becoming dean, and taught courses on family law, gender discrimination, and constitutional law. Additionally, she founded and co-directed the Judge Nathaniel Jones Center for Race, Gender, and Social Justice at the University of Cincinnati.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, Everyday Conversations on Race.

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

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  Can Women of Color and White Women Be Friends? What Was DEI Actually Meant to Do—and Why Did It Go Off Track? Curiosity, Not Cancellation: Real Talk with Dr. Julie Pham Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>In this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, host Simma Lieberman welcomes Verna Williams, CEO of Equal Justice Works, former law professor, and former dean, for a powerful conversation about race, justice, and access to legal representation in America.

  Verna explains why race remains a necessary topic—not to assign personal blame, but to understand how systems shaped by slavery and segregation continue to influence opportunity and social hierarchy today.

  She reflects on growing up in the Washington, DC and Maryland area, attending both predominantly white and predominantly Black schools. Those experiences sharpened her awareness of being "different" and highlighted how segregated many of our lives still are. Even today, she encounters moments when someone tells her she is the first Black person they've had a meaningful conversation with—evidence of how separation persists.

  As CEO of Equal Justice Works—the nation's largest postgraduate public-interest legal fellowship program—Verna works to address a staggering reality: 92% of low-income people's civil legal needs go unmet. She explains how civil legal problems such as eviction, wage garnishment, loss of benefits, and family instability create economic insecurity and can even lead to involvement in the criminal legal system. Unlike criminal cases, there is no guaranteed right to counsel in high-stakes civil matters, leaving millions to navigate life-altering situations alone.

  Verna describes how Equal Justice Works partners with law firms, corporations, and foundations to fund fellowships that send lawyers into underserved communities. She highlights the organization's Disaster Resilience Program, created after Hurricane Katrina, which helps communities navigate FEMA claims, insurance issues, document replacement, and preparedness planning.

  She also shares her personal journey—from broadcast journalism to law—motivated by fairness and shaped by the civil rights and women's rights movements. Her career has included work on voting rights, women's rights, veterans' benefits, and debt collection reform. She also argued—and won—a 5–4 U.S. Supreme Court case establishing that schools must address known student-on-student sexual harassment under Title IX.

  The conversation explores immigration representation, reports of ICE detentions at court hearings, and practical ways non-lawyers can help—through translation, court accompaniment, and local volunteer efforts. Verna encourages listeners to stay informed through reputable sources, vote, and engage locally in school boards and city councils.

  She also shares personal reflections on music and film—and clarifies her role as Michelle Obama's oral historian during the early White House years, after the two were law school classmates.

  This episode connects race, law, and economic justice—and offers clear examples of how everyday engagement can strengthen democracy.

  Time Stamps 00:00 Welcome to Race Convo: Why These Conversations Matter 00:58 Meet Verna Williams + The Big Question: Do We Still Need to Talk About Race? 02:16 Race as a Social Hierarchy: How History Still Shapes Today 03:54 Growing Up Integrated: Verna's Schools, Identity, and Feeling 'Different' 05:15 Segregation in Real Life: 'First Black Person I've Talked To' + Why the Podcast Exists 08:04 What Equal Justice Works Does: Closing the Civil Legal Help Gap 09:52 Why Verna Chose Justice Work: Early Racism, Fairness, and Civil Rights Roots 12:29 Civil vs. Criminal: The Hidden Crisis of No Right to Counsel 17:50 How Equal Justice Works Operates: Fellowships, Funding, and Disaster Resilience 21:00 Verna's Career Path + Arguing a Landmark Title IX Case at the Supreme Court 25:42 Keeping Progress Moving Forward: Training the Next Generation of Public Interest Leaders 26:30 Making Public Interest Careers Possible: Loan Forgiveness & Funding Support 27:31 Why This Work Matters: Building Leaders Through Equal Justice Works 28:46 Training for Empathy: Community-Led Lawyering & Fellow Learning Networks 30:16 Immigrant Justice on the Front Lines: Asylum, ICE at Court & Finding Hope 32:28 How Non-Lawyers Can Help: Volunteering, Translating & Getting Involved 34:11 Where to Plug In: EJW, Legal Services Corp & Other Advocacy Orgs 37:11 Staying Hopeful: History, Collective Action & Cross-Political Coalitions 43:51 Michelle Obama Connection: Serving as Her Oral Historian 45:26 Rapid-Fire Fun: Playlists, Oscar Movies & What to Watch Next 47:43 Final Call to Action: Get Informed, Vote Local & Show Up

  Guest Bio

  Verna L. Williams (she/her) is the CEO of Equal Justice Works. In her role as CEO, Verna has continued to advance the mission of Equal Justice Works to create opportunities for leaders to transform their passion for equal justice into a lifelong commitment to public service.

  Verna brings with her an extensive background of experience teaching and practicing law, as well as researching civil and women's rights. Verna previously served as the dean of the University of Cincinnati College of Law, where she was a professor prior to becoming dean, and taught courses on family law, gender discrimination, and constitutional law. Additionally, she founded and co-directed the Judge Nathaniel Jones Center for Race, Gender, and Social Justice at the University of Cincinnati.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, Everyday Conversations on Race.

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

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  Can Women of Color and White Women Be Friends? What Was DEI Actually Meant to Do—and Why Did It Go Off Track? Curiosity, Not Cancellation: Real Talk with Dr. Julie Pham Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>aa545d41-acc7-4653-9f16-ae47d280b4f6Thu, 19 Feb 2026 16:47:00 -070050:15falsefull11421421Can Women of Color and White Women Be Friends? From Fear to Friendship: The 30-Year Journey of an Interracial Women's Circle

  What does it really take for women across race, identity, and experience to move from awkward conversations to real friendship?

  In this episode, I talk with two people I deeply respect—Julie O'Mara and Dr. Sid Reel—about a women's circle I'm part of that's been meeting for nearly 30 years. What started as a conference breakout session turned into something far more rare: a space where white women and women of color stayed in relationship through grief, anger, mistakes, growth, and joy.

  We talk about confidentiality and why it matters. About staying at the table when things get uncomfortable. About what happens when people don't feel alone anymore. And about the difference between talking about race and actually knowing people whose lives are shaped by it.

  This isn't theory. It's lived experience. And it's a reminder that real connection doesn't come from slogans or training slides—it comes from time, trust, and being willing to keep showing up.

  We share raw, transformative experiences that took us from initial fear and distrust to deep, meaningful friendships. The episode explores the group's origins, the critical role of confidentiality, and the hard truths they've confronted about race, privilege, and solidarity. You'll learn the challenges and rewards of having tough conversations about race and how these led to profound support and solidarity during life's toughest moments.

  Timestamps & Key Segments:

  00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview

  01:10 Meet the Guests: Julie O'Mara and Dr. Sid Real

  04:45 The Women's Circle: Origins and Purpose

  12:38 Confidentiality and Trust Building

  20:02 Personal Stories and Experiences

  27:54 Challenges and Learnings in DEI

  35:50 Standing Up and Women's Circle Support

  36:57 Building Comfort and Social Connections

  38:26 Shared Experiences and Mutual Support

  41:33 Assumptions and Learning Moments

  54:00 Starting and Sustaining a Circle

  01:01:12 Final Thoughts and Contact Information

  Guest Bio:Julie O'Mara is coauthor of the free Global Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Benchmarks (GDEIB): Standards for Organizations Around the world along with Alan Richter, PhD, and Nene Molefi. It is available in English, French and Spanish and it and several free User Tools and other resources may be downloaded for free at www.GlobalDEIBenchmarks.org

  Dr. Sidalia (Sid) Reel recently retired as Director of Staff Diversity Initiatives in Berkeley's Equity & Inclusion Division. Charged with implementing programs and policies to foster an inclusive and welcoming work environment, she co-founded the Next Opportunity at Work Conference; managed the campus-wide Multicultural Education Program; and consulted with departments and teams on equity and inclusion topics. She is a recipient of both an individual and a team Chancellor's Outstanding Staff Award for these efforts. Prior to UC Berkeley, she spent over 20 years leading corporate global diversity and inclusion organizations. A Berkeley native, she earned an EdD at USC, an EdM at Harvard, and a BA in Sociology at Scripps.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, Everyday Conversations on Race.

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

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  What Was DEI Actually Meant to Do—and Why Did It Go Off Track? Curiosity, Not Cancellation: Real Talk with Dr. Julie Pham Voices of Triumph: Stories of African Women Immigrants in America Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]> From Fear to Friendship: The 30-Year Journey of an Interracial Women's Circle

  What does it really take for women across race, identity, and experience to move from awkward conversations to real friendship?

  In this episode, I talk with two people I deeply respect—Julie O'Mara and Dr. Sid Reel—about a women's circle I'm part of that's been meeting for nearly 30 years. What started as a conference breakout session turned into something far more rare: a space where white women and women of color stayed in relationship through grief, anger, mistakes, growth, and joy.

  We talk about confidentiality and why it matters. About staying at the table when things get uncomfortable. About what happens when people don't feel alone anymore. And about the difference between talking about race and actually knowing people whose lives are shaped by it.

  This isn't theory. It's lived experience. And it's a reminder that real connection doesn't come from slogans or training slides—it comes from time, trust, and being willing to keep showing up.

  We share raw, transformative experiences that took us from initial fear and distrust to deep, meaningful friendships. The episode explores the group's origins, the critical role of confidentiality, and the hard truths they've confronted about race, privilege, and solidarity. You'll learn the challenges and rewards of having tough conversations about race and how these led to profound support and solidarity during life's toughest moments.

  Timestamps & Key Segments:

  00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview

  01:10 Meet the Guests: Julie O'Mara and Dr. Sid Real

  04:45 The Women's Circle: Origins and Purpose

  12:38 Confidentiality and Trust Building

  20:02 Personal Stories and Experiences

  27:54 Challenges and Learnings in DEI

  35:50 Standing Up and Women's Circle Support

  36:57 Building Comfort and Social Connections

  38:26 Shared Experiences and Mutual Support

  41:33 Assumptions and Learning Moments

  54:00 Starting and Sustaining a Circle

  01:01:12 Final Thoughts and Contact Information

  Guest Bio:Julie O'Mara is coauthor of the free Global Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Benchmarks (GDEIB): Standards for Organizations Around the world along with Alan Richter, PhD, and Nene Molefi. It is available in English, French and Spanish and it and several free User Tools and other resources may be downloaded for free at www.GlobalDEIBenchmarks.org

  Dr. Sidalia (Sid) Reel recently retired as Director of Staff Diversity Initiatives in Berkeley's Equity & Inclusion Division. Charged with implementing programs and policies to foster an inclusive and welcoming work environment, she co-founded the Next Opportunity at Work Conference; managed the campus-wide Multicultural Education Program; and consulted with departments and teams on equity and inclusion topics. She is a recipient of both an individual and a team Chancellor's Outstanding Staff Award for these efforts. Prior to UC Berkeley, she spent over 20 years leading corporate global diversity and inclusion organizations. A Berkeley native, she earned an EdD at USC, an EdM at Harvard, and a BA in Sociology at Scripps.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, Everyday Conversations on Race.

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

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  Previous Episodes

  What Was DEI Actually Meant to Do—and Why Did It Go Off Track? Curiosity, Not Cancellation: Real Talk with Dr. Julie Pham Voices of Triumph: Stories of African Women Immigrants in America Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>cb532bf3-616f-48de-b0d5-d7c92824d746Thu, 29 Jan 2026 16:48:00 -070053:42falsefull11411411What Was DEI Actually Meant to Do—and Why Did It Go Off Track?A Conversation with Joe Santana; a DEI original

  Would you agree that most conversations about DEI today sound loud, polarized, and disconnected from the work itself?

  In this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, I talk with Joe Santana—advisor, author, and long-time DEI consultant—about where Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion actually came from and how it was originally practiced inside organizations.

  What really is DEI, (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion)?

  Joe and I have both spent decades doing this work. We've watched DEI evolve, get renamed, repackaged, misunderstood, and in some cases quietly dismantled. What often gets lost is that DEI didn't start as a political position. It started as a business conversation—about how organizations function, how people are evaluated, and how talent is either used or ignored.

  What is the business case for DEI? Why are people still talking about diversity, equity, and inclusion?

  The early thinking behind DEI and why it mattered to organizational performance How good intentions gave way to vague language and inconsistent practice What happens when leaders avoid difference instead of learning how to work with it Why "treating everyone the same" sounds fair but rarely works How Employee and Business Resource Groups can either matter—or miss the point entirely

  This is a grounded conversation between two practitioners reflecting on what we've learned, what we got wrong, and what still holds value—especially for leaders trying to make sense of the current moment.

  You'll learn more about the challenges, and strategic importance of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) in organizations. From the historical context provided by pioneers like Roosevelt Thomas to practical advice on optimizing business outcomes, Joe shares a wealth of knowledge on how DEI can drive both social good and financial success in companies. The episode also covers the vital role of Employee Resource Groups (ERGs) and what organizations can do to leverage them effectively. You'll gain valuable insights on turning DEI initiatives into strategic business tools.

  If you're looking for clarity instead of slogans, and experience instead of soundbites, you'll find it in this episode.

  Guest Bio

  Joseph (Joe) Santana is a business strategy coach and futurist specializing in developing CDOs, ERG/BRG leaders, and Executive Sponsors who drive measurable business impact. He is an author, keynote speaker, and member of the Forbes Business Council and the Fast Company Executive Board and a frequent contributor to articles in both organizations' magazines. His insights and ideas have been shared globally in interviews with media outlets such as ABC, PIX, Fox, Ticker News, and The Black List, a streaming business interview show. His two most recent books, "The New DEI and ERG Frontier" and "SuperCharge Your ERGs," are available on Amazon, offering invaluable guidance to those ready to embark on the journey toward 21st-century business-impacting success. As CEO of Joseph Santana, LLC, an Inc Verified company, he leads multiple brands focused on equipping CDOs and ERG/BRG Chairs in national and global enterprises with the skills and strategies needed to enhance organizational performance. Below is a graphic depiction of the brands owned by Joseph Santana, LLC.

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  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, Everyday Conversations on Race.

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

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  Previous Episodes

  Curiosity, Not Cancellation: Real Talk with Dr. Julie Pham Voices of Triumph: Stories of African Women Immigrants in America Black Health Matters: Community, Data, and the Journey to Wellness with Kwame Terra Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>A Conversation with Joe Santana; a DEI original

  Would you agree that most conversations about DEI today sound loud, polarized, and disconnected from the work itself?

  In this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, I talk with Joe Santana—advisor, author, and long-time DEI consultant—about where Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion actually came from and how it was originally practiced inside organizations.

  What really is DEI, (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion)?

  Joe and I have both spent decades doing this work. We've watched DEI evolve, get renamed, repackaged, misunderstood, and in some cases quietly dismantled. What often gets lost is that DEI didn't start as a political position. It started as a business conversation—about how organizations function, how people are evaluated, and how talent is either used or ignored.

  What is the business case for DEI? Why are people still talking about diversity, equity, and inclusion?

  The early thinking behind DEI and why it mattered to organizational performance How good intentions gave way to vague language and inconsistent practice What happens when leaders avoid difference instead of learning how to work with it Why "treating everyone the same" sounds fair but rarely works How Employee and Business Resource Groups can either matter—or miss the point entirely

  This is a grounded conversation between two practitioners reflecting on what we've learned, what we got wrong, and what still holds value—especially for leaders trying to make sense of the current moment.

  You'll learn more about the challenges, and strategic importance of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) in organizations. From the historical context provided by pioneers like Roosevelt Thomas to practical advice on optimizing business outcomes, Joe shares a wealth of knowledge on how DEI can drive both social good and financial success in companies. The episode also covers the vital role of Employee Resource Groups (ERGs) and what organizations can do to leverage them effectively. You'll gain valuable insights on turning DEI initiatives into strategic business tools.

  If you're looking for clarity instead of slogans, and experience instead of soundbites, you'll find it in this episode.

  Guest Bio

  Joseph (Joe) Santana is a business strategy coach and futurist specializing in developing CDOs, ERG/BRG leaders, and Executive Sponsors who drive measurable business impact. He is an author, keynote speaker, and member of the Forbes Business Council and the Fast Company Executive Board and a frequent contributor to articles in both organizations' magazines. His insights and ideas have been shared globally in interviews with media outlets such as ABC, PIX, Fox, Ticker News, and The Black List, a streaming business interview show. His two most recent books, "The New DEI and ERG Frontier" and "SuperCharge Your ERGs," are available on Amazon, offering invaluable guidance to those ready to embark on the journey toward 21st-century business-impacting success. As CEO of Joseph Santana, LLC, an Inc Verified company, he leads multiple brands focused on equipping CDOs and ERG/BRG Chairs in national and global enterprises with the skills and strategies needed to enhance organizational performance. Below is a graphic depiction of the brands owned by Joseph Santana, LLC.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, Everyday Conversations on Race.

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

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  Previous Episodes

  Curiosity, Not Cancellation: Real Talk with Dr. Julie Pham Voices of Triumph: Stories of African Women Immigrants in America Black Health Matters: Community, Data, and the Journey to Wellness with Kwame Terra Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>8c0aabb8-311a-4189-bec4-244ad71df1afWed, 14 Jan 2026 13:53:00 -070001:13:24falsefull11401401Curiosity, Not Cancellation: Real Talk with Dr. Julie PhamWhat happens when curiosity replaces fear? In this powerful and honest conversation, Simma Lieberman and Dr. Julie Pham, author of "7 Forms of Respect: A Guide to Transforming Your Communication and Relationships at Work", explore how curiosity helps us talk about race, identity, and respect without shame or defensiveness. They remind us that inclusion begins with wonder—and that respect isn't fixed, it's alive.

  Simma and Dr. Julie Pham dive into the idea of curiosity as a practice—a mindset we can bring to every interaction. They discuss how we each hold multiple identities, why respect feels different to everyone, and how the "rubber band rule" teaches self-awareness and boundaries. Together, they model how curiosity—not cancellation—creates space for growth, empathy, and laughter.

  Dr. Pham shares her journey from running her family's Vietnamese newspaper in Seattle to becoming an expert on curiosity-based inclusion. Simma reflects on her experiences as a Bronx-raised Jewish woman building bridges across race and culture. Their exchange reminds listeners that real connection begins when we listen to understand, not to judge.

  [00:10:00 — The Practice of Curiosity] Julie describes curiosity as a practice, not a trait, requiring awareness and humility. They discuss how fear of being wrong blocks learning and how curiosity turns awkward moments into opportunities for respect.

  [00:15:00 — Respect as Relationship, Not Rule] They unpack how "respect" looks different across people and cultures. Julie introduces her framework from Seven Forms of Respect and shares how she helps organizations talk openly about what respect means to them.

  [00:20:00 — Cultural Assumptions and Adaptation] Simma and Julie discuss regional and cultural communication styles—New York directness vs. West Coast politeness—and how adapting behavior is a form of respect, not inauthenticity.

  [00:25:00 — Curiosity vs. Cancel Culture] Simma raises the issue of "you should know" attitudes in DEI work. Julie explains why she rejects cancel culture and instead promotes dialogue and forgiveness as pathways to inclusion.

  [00:30:00 — The Rubber Band Rule] Julie explains her Rubber Band Rule: we all stretch for others, but when we over-stretch, we snap. Respect, she says, is relative, contextual, and dynamic—it shifts with relationships, workplaces, and personal growth.

  [00:35:00 — Learning from Difference] Simma shares stories from her life and work about learning from cross-cultural friendships and experiences in holistic health. Both reflect on how curiosity helped them challenge stereotypes and assumptions.

  [00:40:00 — Evolving Through Curiosity] They discuss how curiosity helps us evolve—our identities, habits, and relationships are always changing. Julie highlights that curiosity is lifelong learning, not a one-time skill.

  [00:45:00 — From Outrage to Understanding] Julie and Simma emphasize moving beyond outrage to curiosity. They share stories about being misjudged and how asking questions transforms conflict into connection.

  [00:48:00 — Closing Reflections: Self-Respect and Connection] Julie closes with her final message: respect isn't fixed; it changes with context. Simma thanks her for the powerful conversation, reiterates the importance of curiosity, and invites listeners to stay engaged.

  Guest Bio

  Dr. Julie Pham is the founder of CuriosityBased, a leadership development organization that helps people build trust and collaboration through curiosity. She is the author of Seven Forms of Respect and a TEDx speaker whose work challenges how we define and show respect in our daily lives. Find her at CuriosityBased.com or on LinkedIn (@JuliePhamPhD).

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, Everyday Conversations on Race.

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

  Instagram Facebook YouTube Twitter LinkedIn Tiktok Website

  Previous Episodes

  Voices of Triumph: Stories of African Women Immigrants in America Black Health Matters: Community, Data, and the Journey to Wellness with Kwame Terra What Might Be: Friendship, Race, and Transforming Power Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>What happens when curiosity replaces fear? In this powerful and honest conversation, Simma Lieberman and Dr. Julie Pham, author of "7 Forms of Respect: A Guide to Transforming Your Communication and Relationships at Work", explore how curiosity helps us talk about race, identity, and respect without shame or defensiveness. They remind us that inclusion begins with wonder—and that respect isn't fixed, it's alive.

  Simma and Dr. Julie Pham dive into the idea of curiosity as a practice—a mindset we can bring to every interaction. They discuss how we each hold multiple identities, why respect feels different to everyone, and how the "rubber band rule" teaches self-awareness and boundaries. Together, they model how curiosity—not cancellation—creates space for growth, empathy, and laughter.

  Dr. Pham shares her journey from running her family's Vietnamese newspaper in Seattle to becoming an expert on curiosity-based inclusion. Simma reflects on her experiences as a Bronx-raised Jewish woman building bridges across race and culture. Their exchange reminds listeners that real connection begins when we listen to understand, not to judge.

  [00:10:00 — The Practice of Curiosity] Julie describes curiosity as a practice, not a trait, requiring awareness and humility. They discuss how fear of being wrong blocks learning and how curiosity turns awkward moments into opportunities for respect.

  [00:15:00 — Respect as Relationship, Not Rule] They unpack how "respect" looks different across people and cultures. Julie introduces her framework from Seven Forms of Respect and shares how she helps organizations talk openly about what respect means to them.

  [00:20:00 — Cultural Assumptions and Adaptation] Simma and Julie discuss regional and cultural communication styles—New York directness vs. West Coast politeness—and how adapting behavior is a form of respect, not inauthenticity.

  [00:25:00 — Curiosity vs. Cancel Culture] Simma raises the issue of "you should know" attitudes in DEI work. Julie explains why she rejects cancel culture and instead promotes dialogue and forgiveness as pathways to inclusion.

  [00:30:00 — The Rubber Band Rule] Julie explains her Rubber Band Rule: we all stretch for others, but when we over-stretch, we snap. Respect, she says, is relative, contextual, and dynamic—it shifts with relationships, workplaces, and personal growth.

  [00:35:00 — Learning from Difference] Simma shares stories from her life and work about learning from cross-cultural friendships and experiences in holistic health. Both reflect on how curiosity helped them challenge stereotypes and assumptions.

  [00:40:00 — Evolving Through Curiosity] They discuss how curiosity helps us evolve—our identities, habits, and relationships are always changing. Julie highlights that curiosity is lifelong learning, not a one-time skill.

  [00:45:00 — From Outrage to Understanding] Julie and Simma emphasize moving beyond outrage to curiosity. They share stories about being misjudged and how asking questions transforms conflict into connection.

  [00:48:00 — Closing Reflections: Self-Respect and Connection] Julie closes with her final message: respect isn't fixed; it changes with context. Simma thanks her for the powerful conversation, reiterates the importance of curiosity, and invites listeners to stay engaged.

  Guest Bio

  Dr. Julie Pham is the founder of CuriosityBased, a leadership development organization that helps people build trust and collaboration through curiosity. She is the author of Seven Forms of Respect and a TEDx speaker whose work challenges how we define and show respect in our daily lives. Find her at CuriosityBased.com or on LinkedIn (@JuliePhamPhD).

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, Everyday Conversations on Race.

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

  Instagram Facebook YouTube Twitter LinkedIn Tiktok Website

  Previous Episodes

  Voices of Triumph: Stories of African Women Immigrants in America Black Health Matters: Community, Data, and the Journey to Wellness with Kwame Terra What Might Be: Friendship, Race, and Transforming Power Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>e1d92691-2acf-41d6-b874-03a055c526ccSun, 19 Oct 2025 13:29:00 -070050:44falsefull11391391Voices of Triumph: Stories of African Women Immigrants in America Join Simma, the Inclusionist, as she hosts an illuminating conversation with Dr. Nneka and Dr. Angela, two Nigerian-born, U.S.-based doctors and authors. They discuss their empowering book, 'Voices of Triumph: Stories of African Women Immigrants in America,' which chronicles challenges and triumphs faced by African women immigrants. Delve into personal anecdotes of overcoming adversity, the significance of community, cultural impact, and the importance of recognizing self-worth. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in bridging cultural divides and celebrating resilience.

  00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview

  01:09 Meet the Guests: Nigerian Doctors and Authors

  02:08 The Journey of Writing 'Voices of Triumph'

  03:10 Challenges and Triumphs of Immigrant Women

  07:03 Navigating Workplace Politics and Racism

  20:41 Microaggressions and Imposter Syndrome

  26:35 Embracing Identity and Overcoming Adversity

  28:52 The Power of Community

  32:03 Embracing Technology and Overcoming Fear

  37:33 Cultural Impact and Responsibilities

  47:05 Balancing Cultural Expectations and Self-Care

  50:39 Empowerment and Resilience

  53:17 Final Thoughts and Contact Information

  Guest Bio:Dr. Angela Ikeme holds a Doctor of Nursing Practice degree from the University of San Francisco in Executive Leadership, a Master's in Nursing Education Degree from Grand Canyon University, and a Bachelor of Nursing Science degree from the University of Phoenix. She is a Nurse Executive Board Certified. She holds a California Registered Nurse Licence, has spent over 30 years in clinical and administrative nursing, and is a professor at the University of San Francisco, California. She has spent most of her career advocating for high-quality education for nurses and ensuring that nurses provide evidence-based, high-quality, and safe patient care. She is a compassionate, passionate, transformational leader, an advocate for equity and social justice, a mentor, and an entrepreneur. Dr. Angela is an enthusiastic and authentic leader with a strong passion for respect for others. She is committed to building community through partnership and collaboration, hence her love and commitment to providing high-quality nursing education to students at Merit College of Nursing Sciences Orlu, Imo State, Nigeria, where she is a co-founder and the Executive Provost of the school. Dr. Nneka Chukwu holds a Doctoral Degree in Nursing with an emphasis in Healthcare Systems Leadership, a Master's degree in Business Administration, a certification as an Advanced Nurse Executive, and a certification as a Legal Nurse Consultant. She has over 20 years of experience in the healthcare industry, including Maternal Child Health, Critical Care, Leadership, Academia, and Quality/Risk Management. Dr. Nneka is currently the Director of Women and Children's Services and an Adjunct Faculty in the University of San Francisco Graduate Nursing Program. She is a published author, a mentor, a motivational speaker at the local and international level, and a seasoned leader who is well-versed in developing programs, leading projects, and team building.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, Everyday Conversations on Race.

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

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  Black Health Matters: Community, Data, and the Journey to Wellness with Kwame Terra What Might Be: Friendship, Race, and Transforming Power Global DEI: Apartheid to Equity Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]> Join Simma, the Inclusionist, as she hosts an illuminating conversation with Dr. Nneka and Dr. Angela, two Nigerian-born, U.S.-based doctors and authors. They discuss their empowering book, 'Voices of Triumph: Stories of African Women Immigrants in America,' which chronicles challenges and triumphs faced by African women immigrants. Delve into personal anecdotes of overcoming adversity, the significance of community, cultural impact, and the importance of recognizing self-worth. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in bridging cultural divides and celebrating resilience.

  00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview

  01:09 Meet the Guests: Nigerian Doctors and Authors

  02:08 The Journey of Writing 'Voices of Triumph'

  03:10 Challenges and Triumphs of Immigrant Women

  07:03 Navigating Workplace Politics and Racism

  20:41 Microaggressions and Imposter Syndrome

  26:35 Embracing Identity and Overcoming Adversity

  28:52 The Power of Community

  32:03 Embracing Technology and Overcoming Fear

  37:33 Cultural Impact and Responsibilities

  47:05 Balancing Cultural Expectations and Self-Care

  50:39 Empowerment and Resilience

  53:17 Final Thoughts and Contact Information

  Guest Bio:Dr. Angela Ikeme holds a Doctor of Nursing Practice degree from the University of San Francisco in Executive Leadership, a Master's in Nursing Education Degree from Grand Canyon University, and a Bachelor of Nursing Science degree from the University of Phoenix. She is a Nurse Executive Board Certified. She holds a California Registered Nurse Licence, has spent over 30 years in clinical and administrative nursing, and is a professor at the University of San Francisco, California. She has spent most of her career advocating for high-quality education for nurses and ensuring that nurses provide evidence-based, high-quality, and safe patient care. She is a compassionate, passionate, transformational leader, an advocate for equity and social justice, a mentor, and an entrepreneur. Dr. Angela is an enthusiastic and authentic leader with a strong passion for respect for others. She is committed to building community through partnership and collaboration, hence her love and commitment to providing high-quality nursing education to students at Merit College of Nursing Sciences Orlu, Imo State, Nigeria, where she is a co-founder and the Executive Provost of the school. Dr. Nneka Chukwu holds a Doctoral Degree in Nursing with an emphasis in Healthcare Systems Leadership, a Master's degree in Business Administration, a certification as an Advanced Nurse Executive, and a certification as a Legal Nurse Consultant. She has over 20 years of experience in the healthcare industry, including Maternal Child Health, Critical Care, Leadership, Academia, and Quality/Risk Management. Dr. Nneka is currently the Director of Women and Children's Services and an Adjunct Faculty in the University of San Francisco Graduate Nursing Program. She is a published author, a mentor, a motivational speaker at the local and international level, and a seasoned leader who is well-versed in developing programs, leading projects, and team building.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, Everyday Conversations on Race.

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

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  Previous Episodes

  Black Health Matters: Community, Data, and the Journey to Wellness with Kwame Terra What Might Be: Friendship, Race, and Transforming Power Global DEI: Apartheid to Equity Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>079329ba-1518-4ac7-a6d5-1347e40c9470Wed, 24 Sep 2025 08:17:00 -070054:17falsefull11381381Black Health Matters: Community, Data, and the Journey to Wellness with Kwame Terra How do we close the health gap in Black communities? In this episode, Simma Lieberman ("The Inclusionist") talks with bEHR Health founder Kwame Terra about the urgent need for health equity, the power of community, and the real stories behind the statistics. From breaking world records to building a movement, this conversation will challenge, inspire, and empower you.

  Timestamps & Key Segments:00:00 – Introduction: Why Black Health Matters 02:15 – Meet Kwame Terra: From Runner to Health Equity Leader 07:30 – The Shocking Truth About Health Disparities 15:00 – bEHR Health: Using Data and Community to Drive Change 22:45 – Real Stories: Walking Clubs, World Records, and Transformation 31:10 – Food, Motivation, and Changing Habits 38:00 – The Power of Community Support 45:20 – How You Can Get Involved and Make a Difference 50:00 – Closing Thoughts: Hope, Action, and the Future of Black Health

  Why Listen?

  ● Learn what's really behind the life expectancy gap—and what you can do about it.

  ● Hear how bEHR Health is helping people walk off medication and reclaim their lives.

  ● Get practical tips for building healthy habits and finding support.

  ● Be part of a movement that's changing the narrative on Black health.

  Guest Bio:Kwame Terra is the founder and CEO of bEHR Health, a platform dedicated to closing the health gap in Black communities through technology, education, and collective action. A former collegiate runner and passionate advocate for health equity, Kwame is on a mission to help everyone live longer, healthier lives.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, Everyday Conversations on Race.

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

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  Global DEI: Apartheid to Equity Navigating Race, Mental Health and Well-being in Corporate America How Racist Competency Checks Prevent Merit-Based Hiring Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]> How do we close the health gap in Black communities? In this episode, Simma Lieberman ("The Inclusionist") talks with bEHR Health founder Kwame Terra about the urgent need for health equity, the power of community, and the real stories behind the statistics. From breaking world records to building a movement, this conversation will challenge, inspire, and empower you.

  Timestamps & Key Segments:00:00 – Introduction: Why Black Health Matters 02:15 – Meet Kwame Terra: From Runner to Health Equity Leader 07:30 – The Shocking Truth About Health Disparities 15:00 – bEHR Health: Using Data and Community to Drive Change 22:45 – Real Stories: Walking Clubs, World Records, and Transformation 31:10 – Food, Motivation, and Changing Habits 38:00 – The Power of Community Support 45:20 – How You Can Get Involved and Make a Difference 50:00 – Closing Thoughts: Hope, Action, and the Future of Black Health

  Why Listen?

  ● Learn what's really behind the life expectancy gap—and what you can do about it.

  ● Hear how bEHR Health is helping people walk off medication and reclaim their lives.

  ● Get practical tips for building healthy habits and finding support.

  ● Be part of a movement that's changing the narrative on Black health.

  Guest Bio:Kwame Terra is the founder and CEO of bEHR Health, a platform dedicated to closing the health gap in Black communities through technology, education, and collective action. A former collegiate runner and passionate advocate for health equity, Kwame is on a mission to help everyone live longer, healthier lives.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, Everyday Conversations on Race.

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

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  Previous Episodes

  Global DEI: Apartheid to Equity Navigating Race, Mental Health and Well-being in Corporate America How Racist Competency Checks Prevent Merit-Based Hiring Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>dc0cb444-360c-48b0-a6e1-cc4d039aa239Tue, 19 Aug 2025 11:33:00 -070058:42falsefull11371371What Might Be: Friendship, Race, and Transforming PowerHow Two Legal Changemakers Are Redefining Leadership, Collaboration, and Racial Justice in a Divided World

  In this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, Simma Lieberman is joined by Professor Susan Sturm of Columbia Law School, and community change agent Richard Gray of the Center for Collaborative Education. These longtime collaborators talk candidly about their friendship across race, the evolution of their leadership work, and how confronting racism means more than just talking about it.

  They explore how white people can genuinely show up in racial justice work, the difference between performative allyship and real connection, and the need for inclusive institutional change—especially when that change is under attack. Together, they break down the core themes from Susan's book What Might Be: Confronting Racism to Transform Our Institutions.

  You'll hear stories of personal transformation, resistance against performative politics, and lessons in building multiracial and multigenerational coalitions. Whether you're an advocate, educator, or someone struggling with how to take meaningful action, this conversation is for you.

  Timestamps: 1:10 – Why these conversations matter now more than ever 3:45 – Meet Professor Susan Sturm and Richard Gray 8:10 – How Susan and Richard met and started collaborating 14:30 – Real friendship across race: beyond credentials 20:10 – Susan on being a white person who "meant well" but needed to unlearn 26:45 – Richard on redefining what it means to be a lawyer for social justice 33:00 – "Hanging out while white" — how not to be awkward or performative 36:20 – What What Might Be really means, and how to act in paradox 43:00 – Institutions, white comfort, and what transformation should look like 52:00 – Micro-spaces of justice: how change happens when the law falls short 59:40 – What each of us can do now (no matter who we are)

  Guest Information:

  Susan Sturm is the George M. Jaffin Professor of Law & Social Responsibility at Columbia Law School and the Founding Director of the Center for Institutional and Social Change. Her new book, What Might Be: Confronting Racism to Transform Our Institutions, explores the paradoxes built into anti-racism work and how to turn them into drivers of learning and change. It provides strategies for staying engaged in this work amidst the challenging conditions we now face.

  Richard Gray serves as director of AISR's Community Organizing & Engagement team. His work includes providing strategic support on community organizing and engagement to community and school reform organizations in cities across the country.

  He also directs AISR's Center for Education Organizing, which helps expand the power of education organizing through building strategic alliances among organizations and with strategic partners such as teachers' unions, reform support organizations, civil rights organizations, and research and policy institutes.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, Everyday Conversations on Race.

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

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  Previous Episodes

  Global DEI: Apartheid to Equity Navigating Race, Mental Health and Well-being in Corporate America How Racist Competency Checks Prevent Merit-Based Hiring Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>How Two Legal Changemakers Are Redefining Leadership, Collaboration, and Racial Justice in a Divided World

  In this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, Simma Lieberman is joined by Professor Susan Sturm of Columbia Law School, and community change agent Richard Gray of the Center for Collaborative Education. These longtime collaborators talk candidly about their friendship across race, the evolution of their leadership work, and how confronting racism means more than just talking about it.

  They explore how white people can genuinely show up in racial justice work, the difference between performative allyship and real connection, and the need for inclusive institutional change—especially when that change is under attack. Together, they break down the core themes from Susan's book What Might Be: Confronting Racism to Transform Our Institutions.

  You'll hear stories of personal transformation, resistance against performative politics, and lessons in building multiracial and multigenerational coalitions. Whether you're an advocate, educator, or someone struggling with how to take meaningful action, this conversation is for you.

  Timestamps: 1:10 – Why these conversations matter now more than ever 3:45 – Meet Professor Susan Sturm and Richard Gray 8:10 – How Susan and Richard met and started collaborating 14:30 – Real friendship across race: beyond credentials 20:10 – Susan on being a white person who "meant well" but needed to unlearn 26:45 – Richard on redefining what it means to be a lawyer for social justice 33:00 – "Hanging out while white" — how not to be awkward or performative 36:20 – What What Might Be really means, and how to act in paradox 43:00 – Institutions, white comfort, and what transformation should look like 52:00 – Micro-spaces of justice: how change happens when the law falls short 59:40 – What each of us can do now (no matter who we are)

  Guest Information:

  Susan Sturm is the George M. Jaffin Professor of Law & Social Responsibility at Columbia Law School and the Founding Director of the Center for Institutional and Social Change. Her new book, What Might Be: Confronting Racism to Transform Our Institutions, explores the paradoxes built into anti-racism work and how to turn them into drivers of learning and change. It provides strategies for staying engaged in this work amidst the challenging conditions we now face.

  Richard Gray serves as director of AISR's Community Organizing & Engagement team. His work includes providing strategic support on community organizing and engagement to community and school reform organizations in cities across the country.

  He also directs AISR's Center for Education Organizing, which helps expand the power of education organizing through building strategic alliances among organizations and with strategic partners such as teachers' unions, reform support organizations, civil rights organizations, and research and policy institutes.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, Everyday Conversations on Race.

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

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  Global DEI: Apartheid to Equity Navigating Race, Mental Health and Well-being in Corporate America How Racist Competency Checks Prevent Merit-Based Hiring Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>2204c636-891f-4f37-9d22-4d778374f411Sat, 21 Jun 2025 16:48:00 -070001:07:25falsefull11361361Global DEI: Apartheid to Equity In this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, is joined by two incredible global Diversity, Equity and Inclusion experts: Michaël Stuber, the European DEI Engineer, and Nene Molefi, founder of Mandate Molefi HR Consultants in South Africa. While the focus of this episode is on the global Diversity, Equity and Inclusion landscape, it's also a deeply personal conversation about their journeys, the challenges they've faced, and how their backgrounds have shaped their approach to diversity, equity, and inclusion.

  As we explore how Diversity, Equity and Inclusion initiatives differ across countries, Michaël and Nene share their unique personal experiences—from Michaël's upbringing in a family where cultural diversity was the norm, to Nene's harrowing memories of growing up in the midst of apartheid in South Africa. These personal stories are woven into the conversation, bringing a human element to the Diversity, Equity and Inclusion discussion that goes beyond theories and strategies.

  Detailed Time Stamps:

  • [00:00] Introduction to Simma and the guests
  • [04:30] Michael Stuber shares how his diverse upbringing shaped his perspective on DEI
  • [07:00] Nene talks about growing up during apartheid in South Africa and the 1976 uprisings
  • [12:00] The impact of apartheid on Nene's personal and professional journey
  • [16:00] Michaël's early experiences with Diversity, Equity and Inclusion work and the importance of a European context
  • [21:45] The role of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in shaping Michaël's understanding of DEI
  • [26:30] Nene discusses her experience in developing South Africa's Employment Equity Act and its legacy
  • [32:15] Challenges and growth in Diversity, Equity and Inclusion work across South Africa and Europe
  • [37:00] Michaël reflects on the global DEI landscape and adapting U.S.-based DEI concepts for Europe
  • [42:00] The importance of systemic change in Diversity, Equity and Inclusion: addressing structures, not just attitudes
  • [47:15] Current challenges in DEI: nationalistic movements and the regression of progress
  • [52:30] The personal impact of the global political climate on DEI work
  • [57:00] Nene and Michaël discuss the shifting attitudes towards Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion, and the need for integrity and truth-telling
  • [01:02:30] Closing remarks: The importance of global perspectives in DEI and continuing the conversation
  
  

  This isn't just about Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion; it's about understanding the deep-rooted histories that influence how we work, relate, and view one another today. Michaël and Nene's personal stories and shared wisdom will help you see Diversity, Equity and Inclusion not just as a corporate or political issue, but a human one.

  Key Takeaways:

  1. Diversity, Equity and Inclusion is about more than just policies—it's about understanding personal and cultural histories that shape our worldviews.
  2. Real change in DEI requires confronting deep-rooted systems of oppression, as demonstrated by Nene's experience in apartheid and Michaël's work in Europe.
  3. Effective DEI strategies must be rooted in listening, respect, and understanding of the complex histories that shape people's lives.
  
  

  Guest Information:

  Michael Stuber is The European D&I Engineer – a brand based on his evidence-based yet activist-driven and strategically organized approach DEI. In the late 1990s, he initiated the first EMEA-based DE&I research to build a European perspective. As an advisor to US multinationals, he helped adapt American D&I strategies to EMEA realities. His Propelling Performance Principle makes inclusiveness a consistent business contribution, while his models of unconscious biases or inclusive leadership create traction across industries.

  Stuber has since worked on four continents, authored five books, and hosts one of the world's largest D&I KnowledgeBlogs, the diversitymine.eu, with some 2,000 articles. He co-created Germany's first National anti-racism program, helped locate survivors for the HVAP, and supported major US firms in redesigning Racial Equity or Management Training for EMEA. His approach bridges research, strategy and transformation to embed DE&I in business, leadership and culture.

  Nene Molefi is a globally recognized consultant, keynote speaker, coach and author with over 25 years of experience shaping leadership, organizational transformation, and diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) across industries. Born and raised in Soweto, Johannesburg, she has built an esteemed career advocating for values-driven leadership, high-performing teams, and systemic change in organizations worldwide.

  As the Founder and CEO of Mandate Molefi HR Consultants, Nene has advised multinational corporations, governments, and nonprofit organizations. Her expertise spans Whole System Culture Change, Executive Leadership Development, DEI Strategy and High-Stakes Facilitation—guiding courageous, results-driven conversations that tackle complex organizational and societal challenges. She has led and steered intricate, long-term cultural transformation and leadership initiatives, working with multi-disciplinary and specialist teams.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, Everyday Conversations on Race.

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

  Instagram Facebook YouTube Twitter LinkedIn Tiktok Website

  Previous Episodes

  Navigating Race, Mental Health and Well-being in Corporate America How Racist Competency Checks Prevent Merit-Based Hiring Can Descendants of the Enslaved Reconcile with the...]]> In this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, is joined by two incredible global Diversity, Equity and Inclusion experts: Michaël Stuber, the European DEI Engineer, and Nene Molefi, founder of Mandate Molefi HR Consultants in South Africa. While the focus of this episode is on the global Diversity, Equity and Inclusion landscape, it's also a deeply personal conversation about their journeys, the challenges they've faced, and how their backgrounds have shaped their approach to diversity, equity, and inclusion.

  As we explore how Diversity, Equity and Inclusion initiatives differ across countries, Michaël and Nene share their unique personal experiences—from Michaël's upbringing in a family where cultural diversity was the norm, to Nene's harrowing memories of growing up in the midst of apartheid in South Africa. These personal stories are woven into the conversation, bringing a human element to the Diversity, Equity and Inclusion discussion that goes beyond theories and strategies.

  Detailed Time Stamps:

  • [00:00] Introduction to Simma and the guests
  • [04:30] Michael Stuber shares how his diverse upbringing shaped his perspective on DEI
  • [07:00] Nene talks about growing up during apartheid in South Africa and the 1976 uprisings
  • [12:00] The impact of apartheid on Nene's personal and professional journey
  • [16:00] Michaël's early experiences with Diversity, Equity and Inclusion work and the importance of a European context
  • [21:45] The role of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in shaping Michaël's understanding of DEI
  • [26:30] Nene discusses her experience in developing South Africa's Employment Equity Act and its legacy
  • [32:15] Challenges and growth in Diversity, Equity and Inclusion work across South Africa and Europe
  • [37:00] Michaël reflects on the global DEI landscape and adapting U.S.-based DEI concepts for Europe
  • [42:00] The importance of systemic change in Diversity, Equity and Inclusion: addressing structures, not just attitudes
  • [47:15] Current challenges in DEI: nationalistic movements and the regression of progress
  • [52:30] The personal impact of the global political climate on DEI work
  • [57:00] Nene and Michaël discuss the shifting attitudes towards Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion, and the need for integrity and truth-telling
  • [01:02:30] Closing remarks: The importance of global perspectives in DEI and continuing the conversation
  
  

  This isn't just about Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion; it's about understanding the deep-rooted histories that influence how we work, relate, and view one another today. Michaël and Nene's personal stories and shared wisdom will help you see Diversity, Equity and Inclusion not just as a corporate or political issue, but a human one.

  Key Takeaways:

  1. Diversity, Equity and Inclusion is about more than just policies—it's about understanding personal and cultural histories that shape our worldviews.
  2. Real change in DEI requires confronting deep-rooted systems of oppression, as demonstrated by Nene's experience in apartheid and Michaël's work in Europe.
  3. Effective DEI strategies must be rooted in listening, respect, and understanding of the complex histories that shape people's lives.
  
  

  Guest Information:

  Michael Stuber is The European D&I Engineer – a brand based on his evidence-based yet activist-driven and strategically organized approach DEI. In the late 1990s, he initiated the first EMEA-based DE&I research to build a European perspective. As an advisor to US multinationals, he helped adapt American D&I strategies to EMEA realities. His Propelling Performance Principle makes inclusiveness a consistent business contribution, while his models of unconscious biases or inclusive leadership create traction across industries.

  Stuber has since worked on four continents, authored five books, and hosts one of the world's largest D&I KnowledgeBlogs, the diversitymine.eu, with some 2,000 articles. He co-created Germany's first National anti-racism program, helped locate survivors for the HVAP, and supported major US firms in redesigning Racial Equity or Management Training for EMEA. His approach bridges research, strategy and transformation to embed DE&I in business, leadership and culture.

  Nene Molefi is a globally recognized consultant, keynote speaker, coach and author with over 25 years of experience shaping leadership, organizational transformation, and diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) across industries. Born and raised in Soweto, Johannesburg, she has built an esteemed career advocating for values-driven leadership, high-performing teams, and systemic change in organizations worldwide.

  As the Founder and CEO of Mandate Molefi HR Consultants, Nene has advised multinational corporations, governments, and nonprofit organizations. Her expertise spans Whole System Culture Change, Executive Leadership Development, DEI Strategy and High-Stakes Facilitation—guiding courageous, results-driven conversations that tackle complex organizational and societal challenges. She has led and steered intricate, long-term cultural transformation and leadership initiatives, working with multi-disciplinary and specialist teams.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, Everyday Conversations on Race.

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

  Instagram Facebook YouTube Twitter LinkedIn Tiktok Website

  Previous Episodes

  Navigating Race, Mental Health and Well-being in Corporate America How Racist Competency Checks Prevent Merit-Based Hiring Can Descendants of the Enslaved Reconcile with the Enslavers? Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>2a7abe1f-d992-436f-a7e3-3ca3f689ed55Fri, 23 May 2025 03:20:00 -070001:20:34falsefull11351351Navigating Race, Mental Health and Well-being in Corporate America How can Black professionals address the mental, physical and emotional toll of success in corporate America? Join Simma Lieberman, the Inclusionist, in this insightful episode of Everyday Conversations on Race with guests Shaniqua McClendon and Justin Grant. Shaniqua, VP of Politics at Crooked Media, and Justin, an executive at JP Morgan Chase, share their personal stories and experiences about the significance of discussing race in society and corporate environments. They also delve into the intricacies of mental, physical and emotional health, especially for Black individuals in corporate America. Listen in to hear their personal stories and how they had to learn and practice self-care strategies for their mental, physical and emotional health.

  How can developing and being part of a supportive community help maintain healthy blood pressure, prevent heart attacks and build a strong immune system?

  How does meditation, deep breathing, walking and other exercise reduce stress, and anxiety and support success?

  Discover practical advice, inspirational stories, and engaging discussions that highlight the importance of community, self-care, and systemic change.

  The techniques, practices and actions they share as Black people in corporate America should be used by anyone who cares about their own mental, physical and emotional well-being in our society today.

  Don't miss this thought-provoking conversation and learn how to navigate these critical issues effectively.

  Get 45% off the Magic Mind bundle or 20% off a one-time purchase with Simma's exclusive link: magicmind.com/SimmaL20

  (Support mental health services for the homeless and low-income communities.)

  00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview

  00:41 Meet the Guests: Shaniqua McClendon and Justin Grant

  02:15 The Importance of Discussing Race

  02:33 Historical Context and Systemic Issues

  07:36 Personal Stories: Shaniqua McClendon

  11:45 Personal Stories: Justin Grant

  15:48 Mental Health and Corporate America

  29:15 The Importance of Mental Health Support

  30:55 Stigma Around Therapy in the Black Community

  32:43 Ethno Therapy and Cultural Considerations

  35:15 Navigating Corporate America as a Black Professional

  41:42 Strategies for Self-Care and Community Building

  52:22 Final Thoughts and Parting Advice

  Guests Bio:

  Justin Grant is an accomplished writer, marketer, community development and corporate communications leader with more than a decade of experience leading high-profile campaigns in the asset management and financial services industries. He serves as a mentor to numerous students and young professionals of varying backgrounds, both in the United States and Brazil, and sits on the Board of Trustees at Long Island University, where he has taught journalism. Grant is the author of the new book, "Company Men: A Wellness Guide for Black Men in Corporate America" (Wordeee, Feb. 12, 2025).

  Links for Justin --

  Website LinkedIn Goodreads Amazon Bookshop

  Shaniqua McClendon is the Vice President of Politics for Crooked Media (home to the popular podcast, Pod Save America), a political strategist and sought-after speaker and commentator on media, politics, voting, and race. At Crooked Media, she leads their political strategy and civic engagement program (Vote Save America), and also created their successful 2020 volunteer engagement and fundraising program

  Links for Shaniqua -- Website Twitter Instagram LinkedIn

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, Everyday Conversations on Race.

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

  Instagram Facebook YouTube Twitter LinkedIn Tiktok Website

  Previous Episodes

  How Racist Competency Checks Prevent Merit-Based Hiring Can Descendants of the Enslaved Reconcile with the Enslavers? Can Individuals Really End Racism? Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]> How can Black professionals address the mental, physical and emotional toll of success in corporate America? Join Simma Lieberman, the Inclusionist, in this insightful episode of Everyday Conversations on Race with guests Shaniqua McClendon and Justin Grant. Shaniqua, VP of Politics at Crooked Media, and Justin, an executive at JP Morgan Chase, share their personal stories and experiences about the significance of discussing race in society and corporate environments. They also delve into the intricacies of mental, physical and emotional health, especially for Black individuals in corporate America. Listen in to hear their personal stories and how they had to learn and practice self-care strategies for their mental, physical and emotional health.

  How can developing and being part of a supportive community help maintain healthy blood pressure, prevent heart attacks and build a strong immune system?

  How does meditation, deep breathing, walking and other exercise reduce stress, and anxiety and support success?

  Discover practical advice, inspirational stories, and engaging discussions that highlight the importance of community, self-care, and systemic change.

  The techniques, practices and actions they share as Black people in corporate America should be used by anyone who cares about their own mental, physical and emotional well-being in our society today.

  Don't miss this thought-provoking conversation and learn how to navigate these critical issues effectively.

  Get 45% off the Magic Mind bundle or 20% off a one-time purchase with Simma's exclusive link: magicmind.com/SimmaL20

  (Support mental health services for the homeless and low-income communities.)

  00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview

  00:41 Meet the Guests: Shaniqua McClendon and Justin Grant

  02:15 The Importance of Discussing Race

  02:33 Historical Context and Systemic Issues

  07:36 Personal Stories: Shaniqua McClendon

  11:45 Personal Stories: Justin Grant

  15:48 Mental Health and Corporate America

  29:15 The Importance of Mental Health Support

  30:55 Stigma Around Therapy in the Black Community

  32:43 Ethno Therapy and Cultural Considerations

  35:15 Navigating Corporate America as a Black Professional

  41:42 Strategies for Self-Care and Community Building

  52:22 Final Thoughts and Parting Advice

  Guests Bio:

  Justin Grant is an accomplished writer, marketer, community development and corporate communications leader with more than a decade of experience leading high-profile campaigns in the asset management and financial services industries. He serves as a mentor to numerous students and young professionals of varying backgrounds, both in the United States and Brazil, and sits on the Board of Trustees at Long Island University, where he has taught journalism. Grant is the author of the new book, "Company Men: A Wellness Guide for Black Men in Corporate America" (Wordeee, Feb. 12, 2025).

  Links for Justin --

  Website LinkedIn Goodreads Amazon Bookshop

  Shaniqua McClendon is the Vice President of Politics for Crooked Media (home to the popular podcast, Pod Save America), a political strategist and sought-after speaker and commentator on media, politics, voting, and race. At Crooked Media, she leads their political strategy and civic engagement program (Vote Save America), and also created their successful 2020 volunteer engagement and fundraising program

  Links for Shaniqua -- Website Twitter Instagram LinkedIn

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, Everyday Conversations on Race.

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

  Instagram Facebook YouTube Twitter LinkedIn Tiktok Website

  Previous Episodes

  How Racist Competency Checks Prevent Merit-Based Hiring Can Descendants of the Enslaved Reconcile with the Enslavers? Can Individuals Really End Racism? Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>5c0a6ecd-1912-4393-97f2-5694c1dc8f66Sun, 30 Mar 2025 14:08:00 -070058:46falsefull11341341How Racist Competency Checks Prevent Merit-Based Hiring Have you ever felt challenged or questioned because of your race? In this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, Simma Lieberman welcomes Shari Dunn, author of Qualified: How Competency Checking and Race Collide at Work.

  Explore how race affects perceptions of competence and the real-world impacts of systemic racism in the workplace. You'll understand how racist competency checks can impede merit-based hiring. With personal anecdotes and historical insights, Shari Dunn sheds light on how people of color, especially Black women, face unfair scrutiny and bias in their professional lives. Discover why it's crucial to talk about race, debunk myths of a colorblind society, and take actionable steps toward creating inclusive work cultures. Tune in for a heartfelt and informative cross-race discussion and hear what we can do to unite and bring people together across differences. Learn more about this important topic and share this episode to help grow the conversation.

  00:00 Introduction to the Podcast

  00:53 Meet Shari Dunn: Author of 'Qualified'

  02:05 Shari Dunn's Varied Career Background

  03:19 The Concept of Competency Checking

  03:58 The Importance of Discussing Race

  04:26 Historical Context and Colorblindness

  06:51 Merit-Based Society: Fact or Fiction?

  08:39 Personal Experiences and Systemic Barriers

  19:40 The Toll of Racism on Health

  22:20 Examples of Competency Checking

  29:03 The Cost of White Supremacy

  30:29 The Exercise: Labels and Leadership

  32:13 The Great Man Theory of Leadership

  33:56 Imposter Syndrome and Workplace Dynamics

  35:13 The Danger of Misplaced Leadership

  38:13 White Supremacy's Impact on White People

  39:52 Stories of Competency Checking

  47:31 The Concept of Whiteness and Blackness

  50:51 Actions to Combat Competency Checking

  54:14 Conclusion and Contact Information

  Get 45% off the Magic Mind bundle or 20% off a one-time purchase with Simma's exclusive link: magicmind.com/SimmaL20

  (Support mental health services for the homeless and low-income communities.)

  Guests Bio:

  Shari Dunn is a polymath, an accomplished journalist, and a former attorney, news anchor, CEO, and university professor.

  She is an American Leadership Forum Fellow and has been awarded the prestigious Executive of the Year Award in 2018, the 2019 Women of Influence Award (Portland Business Journal), the Associated Press Award for Best Spot News, and the Wisconsin Broadcasting Association Award for Best Morning News Show. Her work has been cited in the Wall Street Journal and quoted in TIME and Fast Company among others. Shari is also a sought-after speaker. She holds a BA in philosophy from Marquette University and a JD from Northwestern Pritzker School of Law.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, Everyday Conversations on Race.

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

  Instagram Facebook YouTube Twitter LinkedIn Tiktok Website

  Previous Episodes

  Can Descendants of the Enslaved Reconcile with the Enslavers? Can Individuals Really End Racism? How Can Art Eliminate Racism? Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]> Have you ever felt challenged or questioned because of your race? In this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, Simma Lieberman welcomes Shari Dunn, author of Qualified: How Competency Checking and Race Collide at Work.

  Explore how race affects perceptions of competence and the real-world impacts of systemic racism in the workplace. You'll understand how racist competency checks can impede merit-based hiring. With personal anecdotes and historical insights, Shari Dunn sheds light on how people of color, especially Black women, face unfair scrutiny and bias in their professional lives. Discover why it's crucial to talk about race, debunk myths of a colorblind society, and take actionable steps toward creating inclusive work cultures. Tune in for a heartfelt and informative cross-race discussion and hear what we can do to unite and bring people together across differences. Learn more about this important topic and share this episode to help grow the conversation.

  00:00 Introduction to the Podcast

  00:53 Meet Shari Dunn: Author of 'Qualified'

  02:05 Shari Dunn's Varied Career Background

  03:19 The Concept of Competency Checking

  03:58 The Importance of Discussing Race

  04:26 Historical Context and Colorblindness

  06:51 Merit-Based Society: Fact or Fiction?

  08:39 Personal Experiences and Systemic Barriers

  19:40 The Toll of Racism on Health

  22:20 Examples of Competency Checking

  29:03 The Cost of White Supremacy

  30:29 The Exercise: Labels and Leadership

  32:13 The Great Man Theory of Leadership

  33:56 Imposter Syndrome and Workplace Dynamics

  35:13 The Danger of Misplaced Leadership

  38:13 White Supremacy's Impact on White People

  39:52 Stories of Competency Checking

  47:31 The Concept of Whiteness and Blackness

  50:51 Actions to Combat Competency Checking

  54:14 Conclusion and Contact Information

  Get 45% off the Magic Mind bundle or 20% off a one-time purchase with Simma's exclusive link: magicmind.com/SimmaL20

  (Support mental health services for the homeless and low-income communities.)

  Guests Bio:

  Shari Dunn is a polymath, an accomplished journalist, and a former attorney, news anchor, CEO, and university professor.

  She is an American Leadership Forum Fellow and has been awarded the prestigious Executive of the Year Award in 2018, the 2019 Women of Influence Award (Portland Business Journal), the Associated Press Award for Best Spot News, and the Wisconsin Broadcasting Association Award for Best Morning News Show. Her work has been cited in the Wall Street Journal and quoted in TIME and Fast Company among others. Shari is also a sought-after speaker. She holds a BA in philosophy from Marquette University and a JD from Northwestern Pritzker School of Law.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, Everyday Conversations on Race.

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

  Instagram Facebook YouTube Twitter LinkedIn Tiktok Website

  Previous Episodes

  Can Descendants of the Enslaved Reconcile with the Enslavers? Can Individuals Really End Racism? How Can Art Eliminate Racism? Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>7ec922ff-815f-472a-9a8a-3344b1a536a7Sun, 09 Mar 2025 05:37:00 -070057:12falsefull11331331Can Descendants of the Enslaved Reconcile with the Enslavers? Magic Mind Bundle: Get 45% off the Magic Mind bundle with Simma's exclusive link: https://magicmind.com/SimmaLJAN (Support mental health services for the homeless and low-income communities)

  Are you ready to explore the challenging topics of race and reconciliation? In this episode of 'Everyday Conversations on Race,' hosted by Simma Lieberman, we dive deep into the initiatives of the Descendants Truth and Reconciliation Foundation. Guests Monique Trusclair Maddox and Fr. Tim Kesicki, SJ, share their compelling stories and the foundation's mission to address the historical injustices of Jesuit-owned enslavement at Georgetown University. Discover how the foundation's work—ranging from educational scholarships to elder care and racial healing programs—aims to reduce racial tensions and promote a more just and equitable future. Tune in for an enlightening conversation on historical accountability and the ongoing journey towards racial equity.

  01:00 Introducing Today's Guests 03:13 Monique's Story: Discovering Her Ancestry 07:04 Father Tim's Perspective and Historical Context 18:11 Addressing Racial Tensions and Self-Care 20:36 The Work of the Descendants Truth and Reconciliation Foundation 28:43 The Importance of Truth and Reconciliation 29:01 Building Relationships and Generational Knowledge 29:29 The Foundation's Pillars and Initiatives 31:31 Historical Context of the 1838 Sale 33:42 Addressing Specific Needs and Equity 35:26 Truth, Racial Healing, and Transformation 38:14 Personal Reflections and Proximity 45:18 The Role of the Church in Addressing Racism 46:44 Formation of the Descendants Association 52:15 Conclusion and Further Resources

  Guests Bio:

  Father Timothy P. Kesicki, S.J., is the President of the Jesuit Conference of Canada and the United States. Headquartered in Washington, D.C., the Jesuit Conference promotes common goals and oversees international projects for the Society of Jesus. As Conference President, Fr. Kesicki works with the Jesuit Provincials of the United States and Canada in implementing programs, represents the Conference internationally and serves as the religious superior of the Boston College School of Theology and Ministry and the Jesuit School of Theology of Santa Clara University in Berkeley, California. He serves on the boards of Jesuit Refugee Service/USA and America Magazine.

  Monique Trusclair Maddox is the CEO of the Descendants Truth & Reconciliation Foundation as well as chair of the board of directors. She is a fifth- and sixth-generation granddaughter of Isaac Hawkins and a fourth-generation granddaughter of Nace Butler, two of the 272 men, women, and children who were enslaved by the Maryland Jesuits and eventually sold in 1838 in an effort to save Georgetown University from financial ruin.

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  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

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  Can Individuals Really End Racism? How Can Art Eliminate Racism? Growing Up Biracial in a White World: Desiree Chang's Journey of Identity and Race Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]> Magic Mind Bundle: Get 45% off the Magic Mind bundle with Simma's exclusive link: https://magicmind.com/SimmaLJAN (Support mental health services for the homeless and low-income communities)

  Are you ready to explore the challenging topics of race and reconciliation? In this episode of 'Everyday Conversations on Race,' hosted by Simma Lieberman, we dive deep into the initiatives of the Descendants Truth and Reconciliation Foundation. Guests Monique Trusclair Maddox and Fr. Tim Kesicki, SJ, share their compelling stories and the foundation's mission to address the historical injustices of Jesuit-owned enslavement at Georgetown University. Discover how the foundation's work—ranging from educational scholarships to elder care and racial healing programs—aims to reduce racial tensions and promote a more just and equitable future. Tune in for an enlightening conversation on historical accountability and the ongoing journey towards racial equity.

  01:00 Introducing Today's Guests 03:13 Monique's Story: Discovering Her Ancestry 07:04 Father Tim's Perspective and Historical Context 18:11 Addressing Racial Tensions and Self-Care 20:36 The Work of the Descendants Truth and Reconciliation Foundation 28:43 The Importance of Truth and Reconciliation 29:01 Building Relationships and Generational Knowledge 29:29 The Foundation's Pillars and Initiatives 31:31 Historical Context of the 1838 Sale 33:42 Addressing Specific Needs and Equity 35:26 Truth, Racial Healing, and Transformation 38:14 Personal Reflections and Proximity 45:18 The Role of the Church in Addressing Racism 46:44 Formation of the Descendants Association 52:15 Conclusion and Further Resources

  Guests Bio:

  Father Timothy P. Kesicki, S.J., is the President of the Jesuit Conference of Canada and the United States. Headquartered in Washington, D.C., the Jesuit Conference promotes common goals and oversees international projects for the Society of Jesus. As Conference President, Fr. Kesicki works with the Jesuit Provincials of the United States and Canada in implementing programs, represents the Conference internationally and serves as the religious superior of the Boston College School of Theology and Ministry and the Jesuit School of Theology of Santa Clara University in Berkeley, California. He serves on the boards of Jesuit Refugee Service/USA and America Magazine.

  Monique Trusclair Maddox is the CEO of the Descendants Truth & Reconciliation Foundation as well as chair of the board of directors. She is a fifth- and sixth-generation granddaughter of Isaac Hawkins and a fourth-generation granddaughter of Nace Butler, two of the 272 men, women, and children who were enslaved by the Maryland Jesuits and eventually sold in 1838 in an effort to save Georgetown University from financial ruin.

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  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

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  Can Individuals Really End Racism? How Can Art Eliminate Racism? Growing Up Biracial in a White World: Desiree Chang's Journey of Identity and Race Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>9447cad8-1761-46bd-a3c7-04f2949b94b0Thu, 30 Jan 2025 11:51:00 -070054:08falsefull11321321Can Individuals Really End Racism?Summary: In this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, Simma Lieberman is joined by Dr. Joe-Joe McManus and Juan Lopez, two individuals who share their experiences and insights into anti-racism and building true, meaningful interracial relationships. The conversation focuses on the importance of talking about race, the difference between being "non-racist" and "anti-racist," and how everyone can take small actions to fight racism. The episode highlights the need for intentional relationships across cultures and races, the significance of sharing personal stories, and the long-term process of working together to advance freedom and dismantle racism. What can you do today to actively challenge racism in your own life? Keep listening to discover how small, intentional actions can make a difference.

  Show Notes: [00:00] Introduction Simma introduces her guests, Dr. Jojo McManus, an anti-racist educator and diversity and inclusion practitioner, and Juan Lopez, a consultant focused on leadership, organizational development, and DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion). The trio shares their personal connections and the powerful community they're part of, which focuses on building interracial, multicultural, and interfaith communities.

  [04:30] Why It's Important to Talk About Race Simma asks Jojo and Juan if it's still important to talk about race in a world that sometimes claims we are "post-racial." Jojo and Juan explain how racism is alive and resurging and why ongoing conversations about race and racism are crucial.

  [08:15] The Founding of Diversity 2000 (D2K) Juan shares how he co-founded the Diversity 2000 (D2K) community in 1993, a group designed to bring diversity professionals together to collaborate rather than compete. This community has grown into a 32-year-long initiative supporting DEI professionals globally.

  [14:00] The Importance of Real Interactions The discussion turns to the value of truly interacting with people who are different from us, not just having "diverse friends." Jojo and Simma emphasize that building anti-racist habits involves more than just proximity—it requires intentional relationships and actions.

  [20:30] Jojo's Book: A Brother's Insight Jojo discusses his book, A Brother's Insight: Guidance on Defeating Racism and Advancing Freedom. He shares how the book was inspired by the death of his brother and the powerful lessons he's learned about racism, systemic oppression, and the importance of being actively anti-racist.

  [26:00] Small Actions Against Racism Jojo and Juan discuss small, intentional actions that can make a difference in fighting racism—like inviting someone different to join your group or calling out racism when you see it. Simma highlights how these actions can become part of your daily life when anti-racism is treated as a core value.

  [31:00] The Complexity of Racism and Mental Health The conversation touches on how racism impacts mental health, including how internalized racism can affect communities. Jojo talks about how his brother's death, which was influenced by racism, deeply shaped his work in anti-racism.

  [36:00] The Importance of Self-Care in the Fight Against Racism Simma and her guests discuss the importance of self-care to prevent burnout, especially when doing the long, hard work of anti-racism. Simma shares how she uses Magic Mind, an elixir designed to reduce stress, improve cognition, and support mental health.

  [39:00] Taking Action and Creating Change Jojo emphasizes that everyone's voice has the power to make a difference in the fight against racism. Whether it's through lending your talent or raising your voice, each person can contribute to making the world more just.

  [42:30] Closing Remarks and Call to Action The episode wraps up with Simma encouraging listeners to continue the conversation and engage in meaningful action against racism. She reminds everyone of the importance of real relationships and community in this ongoing journey.

  Resources: ● Magic Mind Bundle: Get 45% off the Magic Mind bundle with Simma's exclusive link: magicmind.com/SimmaLJAN (Support mental health services for the homeless and low-income communities). ● Book: A Brother's Insight: Guidance on Defeating Racism and Advancing Freedom by Dr. Jojo McManus is available online and in local bookstores. ________________________________________ The episode provides actionable ways to learn from, interact with, and support people from different races, ethnicities, and cultures. Listeners are encouraged to move beyond passive support and take small, meaningful steps to stand against racism in their everyday lives.

  Guests Bio:

  Dr. Joe-Joe McManus serves as an Executive Advisor on antiracism and inclusive excellence. He consults, writes, and speaks widely on topics at the intersections of antiracism, diversity and inclusion, and leadership development. His new book, A Brother's Insight, offers guidance on living an impactful antiracist life.

  Over the past three decades, Dr. Joe-Joe's work has been largely behind the scenes, focused on developing programs and policy, and advising leaders on promoting systemic change toward inclusive excellence. McManus has held faculty, staff, and executive roles in higher education, including Chief Diversity Officer. He has served at an HBCU, an international university, an Ivy League institution, and at the university system level. He has also lectured, served on panels, presented, and consulted across the U.S. and internationally for more than three decades.

  Mr. Juan Lopez co-founded Amistad Associates in 1982 in Oakland, California, with Ms. Giselle Sanchez and a small group of human resource professionals who were working with non-profits, educational institutions and government. In 1987, Mr. Lopez became the CEO of Amistad Associates. In 1988, Amistad Associates relocated to Sebastopol, California.

  Juan was the primary consultant for Johnson and Johnson's Global Multicultural Leadership Program for eight years. In this role he was responsible for designing organizational leadership competencies, using 360's for professional development, mentoring and developing career strategies for fast track advancement. He worked closely with executive management to evaluate and track progress. His program was recognized nationally and was benchmarked as a best in the field model. Mr. Lopez was a member of the Global Diversity and Inclusion Governance Council with PepsiCo for 5 years and his role was to focus on strategic insight on diversity management, organizational change, leadership development and innovation.

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  All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

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  Previous Episodes

  How Can Art Eliminate Racism? Growing Up Biracial in a White World: Desiree Chang's Journey of Identity and Race Will Music Transcend Racial Divides? Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>Summary: In this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, Simma Lieberman is joined by Dr. Joe-Joe McManus and Juan Lopez, two individuals who share their experiences and insights into anti-racism and building true, meaningful interracial relationships. The conversation focuses on the importance of talking about race, the difference between being "non-racist" and "anti-racist," and how everyone can take small actions to fight racism. The episode highlights the need for intentional relationships across cultures and races, the significance of sharing personal stories, and the long-term process of working together to advance freedom and dismantle racism. What can you do today to actively challenge racism in your own life? Keep listening to discover how small, intentional actions can make a difference.

  Show Notes: [00:00] Introduction Simma introduces her guests, Dr. Jojo McManus, an anti-racist educator and diversity and inclusion practitioner, and Juan Lopez, a consultant focused on leadership, organizational development, and DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion). The trio shares their personal connections and the powerful community they're part of, which focuses on building interracial, multicultural, and interfaith communities.

  [04:30] Why It's Important to Talk About Race Simma asks Jojo and Juan if it's still important to talk about race in a world that sometimes claims we are "post-racial." Jojo and Juan explain how racism is alive and resurging and why ongoing conversations about race and racism are crucial.

  [08:15] The Founding of Diversity 2000 (D2K) Juan shares how he co-founded the Diversity 2000 (D2K) community in 1993, a group designed to bring diversity professionals together to collaborate rather than compete. This community has grown into a 32-year-long initiative supporting DEI professionals globally.

  [14:00] The Importance of Real Interactions The discussion turns to the value of truly interacting with people who are different from us, not just having "diverse friends." Jojo and Simma emphasize that building anti-racist habits involves more than just proximity—it requires intentional relationships and actions.

  [20:30] Jojo's Book: A Brother's Insight Jojo discusses his book, A Brother's Insight: Guidance on Defeating Racism and Advancing Freedom. He shares how the book was inspired by the death of his brother and the powerful lessons he's learned about racism, systemic oppression, and the importance of being actively anti-racist.

  [26:00] Small Actions Against Racism Jojo and Juan discuss small, intentional actions that can make a difference in fighting racism—like inviting someone different to join your group or calling out racism when you see it. Simma highlights how these actions can become part of your daily life when anti-racism is treated as a core value.

  [31:00] The Complexity of Racism and Mental Health The conversation touches on how racism impacts mental health, including how internalized racism can affect communities. Jojo talks about how his brother's death, which was influenced by racism, deeply shaped his work in anti-racism.

  [36:00] The Importance of Self-Care in the Fight Against Racism Simma and her guests discuss the importance of self-care to prevent burnout, especially when doing the long, hard work of anti-racism. Simma shares how she uses Magic Mind, an elixir designed to reduce stress, improve cognition, and support mental health.

  [39:00] Taking Action and Creating Change Jojo emphasizes that everyone's voice has the power to make a difference in the fight against racism. Whether it's through lending your talent or raising your voice, each person can contribute to making the world more just.

  [42:30] Closing Remarks and Call to Action The episode wraps up with Simma encouraging listeners to continue the conversation and engage in meaningful action against racism. She reminds everyone of the importance of real relationships and community in this ongoing journey.

  Resources: ● Magic Mind Bundle: Get 45% off the Magic Mind bundle with Simma's exclusive link: magicmind.com/SimmaLJAN (Support mental health services for the homeless and low-income communities). ● Book: A Brother's Insight: Guidance on Defeating Racism and Advancing Freedom by Dr. Jojo McManus is available online and in local bookstores. ________________________________________ The episode provides actionable ways to learn from, interact with, and support people from different races, ethnicities, and cultures. Listeners are encouraged to move beyond passive support and take small, meaningful steps to stand against racism in their everyday lives.

  Guests Bio:

  Dr. Joe-Joe McManus serves as an Executive Advisor on antiracism and inclusive excellence. He consults, writes, and speaks widely on topics at the intersections of antiracism, diversity and inclusion, and leadership development. His new book, A Brother's Insight, offers guidance on living an impactful antiracist life.

  Over the past three decades, Dr. Joe-Joe's work has been largely behind the scenes, focused on developing programs and policy, and advising leaders on promoting systemic change toward inclusive excellence. McManus has held faculty, staff, and executive roles in higher education, including Chief Diversity Officer. He has served at an HBCU, an international university, an Ivy League institution, and at the university system level. He has also lectured, served on panels, presented, and consulted across the U.S. and internationally for more than three decades.

  Mr. Juan Lopez co-founded Amistad Associates in 1982 in Oakland, California, with Ms. Giselle Sanchez and a small group of human resource professionals who were working with non-profits, educational institutions and government. In 1987, Mr. Lopez became the CEO of Amistad Associates. In 1988, Amistad Associates relocated to Sebastopol, California.

  Juan was the primary consultant for Johnson and Johnson's Global Multicultural Leadership Program for eight years. In this role he was responsible for designing organizational leadership competencies, using 360's for professional development, mentoring and developing career strategies for fast track advancement. He worked closely with executive management to evaluate and track progress. His program was recognized nationally and was benchmarked as a best in the field model. Mr. Lopez was a member of the Global Diversity and Inclusion Governance Council with PepsiCo for 5 years and his role was to focus on strategic insight on diversity management, organizational change, leadership development and innovation.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

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  Previous Episodes

  How Can Art Eliminate Racism? Growing Up Biracial in a White World: Desiree Chang's Journey of Identity and Race Will Music Transcend Racial Divides? Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>ba925c80-e4b3-40c5-8fc9-b0ce0f69d246Sun, 19 Jan 2025 12:51:00 -070046:36falsefullHow do Indigenous Native American and Kenyan cultures connect?

  In this exciting episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, host Simma Lieberman brings together Karen Waukazoo, a Rosebud Sioux tribe member and advocate for American Indians, and Jennifer Ngure, a Kenyan-born wellness coach, to discuss the profound ways culture connects and heals communities. Karen and Jennifer share their personal journeys of overcoming addiction, mental health challenges, and cultural shocks. They reveal surprising commonalities between Native American and Kenyan cultures, emphasizing the importance of community, traditional healing practices, and the role of cultural festivals. Tune in to learn how these two diverse backgrounds converge in their mission to foster resilience and well-being.

  00:00 Introduction and Guest Introductions

  01:37 Karen Waukazu's Journey and Cultural Advocacy

  08:05 Jennifer Ngure's Story and Wellness Advocacy

  15:00 Cultural Healing and Community Importance

  18:48 Challenges and Similarities in Cultural Practices

  26:33 Youth Leadership and Cultural Revival

  28:40 Connecting Cultures and Shared Experiences

  31:02 Understanding the Mission District

  32:12 Exploring Carnival and Its Origins

  33:38 The Importance of Cultural Awareness

  34:50 Personal Experiences with Cultural Differences

  40:54 Challenges and Support in Immigrant Communities

  44:46 Addressing Mental Health and Substance Abuse

  47:42 The Issue of Missing Persons

  51:54 Final Thoughts and Recommendations

  Guests Bio:

  Karen Waukazoo (Lakota) is the Interim Project Director of the CRDP Project at Friendship House. Influenced by her parents' dedication to the Native American Health Center and the Friendship House Association of American Indians programs and the local community, she chose to follow in their footsteps by serving the Bay Area's American Indian population in her own way. Knowledgeable of both sides of treatment and recovery, Karen has worked in many capacities at the Friendship House program – from a youth volunteer, to the Director of the Oakland Lodge Program, Intake Coordinator to her current position. In her over 15 years of service, she has made it her goal to advocate for quality treatment services for American Indian men, women and children affected by substance abuse and alcoholism. Respect and compassion, as well as knowledge all remaining at the forefront.

  Jennifer is a seasoned wellness coach, registered nurse, and advocate for culturally informed self-care, with over 18 years of experience in the healthcare field. As the founder of Nimo Wellness LLC based in Boston, she dedicates her work to empowering middle-aged women in the African diaspora as they navigate pivotal life transitions. Born and raised in Kenya, Jennifer brings a unique blend of medical expertise and cultural heritage to her practice, helping women manage stress, build resilience, and reconnect with their true selves. Her signature programs, including the RenewHER Essence Wellness Retreat, dynamic workshops, and the forthcoming Mid-Life Transitions Coaching Program, are designed to create inclusive, nurturing spaces where women feel seen, heard, and supported. Jennifer's holistic, evidence-based approach celebrates the richness of cultural identity and community, promoting emotional, mental, and social well-being.

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  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

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  Breaking Bias with Anu Gupta How Can Art Eliminate Racism? Growing Up Biracial in a White World: Desiree Chang's Journey of Identity and Race Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>

  In this exciting episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, host Simma Lieberman brings together Karen Waukazoo, a Rosebud Sioux tribe member and advocate for American Indians, and Jennifer Ngure, a Kenyan-born wellness coach, to discuss the profound ways culture connects and heals communities. Karen and Jennifer share their personal journeys of overcoming addiction, mental health challenges, and cultural shocks. They reveal surprising commonalities between Native American and Kenyan cultures, emphasizing the importance of community, traditional healing practices, and the role of cultural festivals. Tune in to learn how these two diverse backgrounds converge in their mission to foster resilience and well-being.

  00:00 Introduction and Guest Introductions

  01:37 Karen Waukazu's Journey and Cultural Advocacy

  08:05 Jennifer Ngure's Story and Wellness Advocacy

  15:00 Cultural Healing and Community Importance

  18:48 Challenges and Similarities in Cultural Practices

  26:33 Youth Leadership and Cultural Revival

  28:40 Connecting Cultures and Shared Experiences

  31:02 Understanding the Mission District

  32:12 Exploring Carnival and Its Origins

  33:38 The Importance of Cultural Awareness

  34:50 Personal Experiences with Cultural Differences

  40:54 Challenges and Support in Immigrant Communities

  44:46 Addressing Mental Health and Substance Abuse

  47:42 The Issue of Missing Persons

  51:54 Final Thoughts and Recommendations

  Guests Bio:

  Karen Waukazoo (Lakota) is the Interim Project Director of the CRDP Project at Friendship House. Influenced by her parents' dedication to the Native American Health Center and the Friendship House Association of American Indians programs and the local community, she chose to follow in their footsteps by serving the Bay Area's American Indian population in her own way. Knowledgeable of both sides of treatment and recovery, Karen has worked in many capacities at the Friendship House program – from a youth volunteer, to the Director of the Oakland Lodge Program, Intake Coordinator to her current position. In her over 15 years of service, she has made it her goal to advocate for quality treatment services for American Indian men, women and children affected by substance abuse and alcoholism. Respect and compassion, as well as knowledge all remaining at the forefront.

  Jennifer is a seasoned wellness coach, registered nurse, and advocate for culturally informed self-care, with over 18 years of experience in the healthcare field. As the founder of Nimo Wellness LLC based in Boston, she dedicates her work to empowering middle-aged women in the African diaspora as they navigate pivotal life transitions. Born and raised in Kenya, Jennifer brings a unique blend of medical expertise and cultural heritage to her practice, helping women manage stress, build resilience, and reconnect with their true selves. Her signature programs, including the RenewHER Essence Wellness Retreat, dynamic workshops, and the forthcoming Mid-Life Transitions Coaching Program, are designed to create inclusive, nurturing spaces where women feel seen, heard, and supported. Jennifer's holistic, evidence-based approach celebrates the richness of cultural identity and community, promoting emotional, mental, and social well-being.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

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  Breaking Bias with Anu Gupta How Can Art Eliminate Racism? Growing Up Biracial in a White World: Desiree Chang's Journey of Identity and Race Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>d2ff7a95-f0a2-4d28-8d0b-67f8aaf7d787Mon, 18 Nov 2024 13:47:00 -070058:27falsefull11301301Breaking Bias with Anu GuptaIn this conversation on race, Anu Gupta talks about race, bias, and solutions.

  Anu Gupta thinks we are all biased, and that we all need to be "Breaking Bias," every day. In this episode, he shares his story of how other people's bias almost caused him to take his life.

  Anu Gupta is a renowned meditation teacher, human rights lawyer, scientist, and author of the book "Breaking Bias.'" The discussion centers around the profound impact of biases, including Anu's personal experiences with racial 'othering' and post-9/11 Islamophobia, which led to his severe mental health struggles.

  He introduces the PRISM framework (Perspective-taking, Prosocial behavior, Individuation, Stereotype replacement, and Mindfulness) as a set of tools for fostering systemic change and understanding.

  Anu's initiative, Be More With Anu, and his call to action for greater awareness and inclusive practices highlight the steps people can take to break through their biases. Our society is experiencing a mental health crisis where too many people are "othered" because of skin color, and other differences and feel like they don't belong. By "Breaking Bias," we can increase empathy, connection, and reduce fear of differences. Listen to this episode or watch it on YouTube, but don't miss this conversation on race.

  00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview

  01:06 Guest Introduction: Anu Gupta

  02:18 The Importance of Discussing Race

  04:39 Anu Gupta's Personal Journey

  10:57 Understanding Bias and Its Impact

  27:35 The Prism Toolkit for Reducing Bias

  33:49 Understanding Systemic Racial Issues in Policing

  34:58 The Historical Roots of Racial Bias

  36:53 Kamala Harris and the Intersection of Bias

  40:39 Introducing PRISM: A Toolkit for Bias Reduction

  43:57 Personal Stories of Overcoming Bias

  46:37 Engaging in Conversations About Bias

  54:47 Final Thoughts and Resources

  Guests Bio:

  Anu Gupta is an educator, lawyer, scientist, and the founder and CEO of BE MORE with Anu, an education technology benefit corporation that trains professionals across corporate, nonprofit, and government sectors to advance DEIB and wellness by breaking bias. His work has reached 300+ organizations training more than 80,000 professionals impacting over 30 million lives. As a gay immigrant of color, he came to the work of breaking bias after almost ending his life due to lifelong experiences with racism, homophobia, and Islamophobia. The realization that bias can be unlearned helped lead him out of that dark point and inspired a lifelong mission to build a global movement for social healing based on principles of mindfulness and compassion. A peer-reviewed author, he has written and spoken extensively, including on the TED stage, the Oprah Conversation, Fast Company, Newsweek, and Vogue Business.

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  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

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  How Can Art Eliminate Racism? Growing Up Biracial in a White World: Desiree Chang's Journey of Identity and Race Will Music Transcend Racial Divides? Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>In this conversation on race, Anu Gupta talks about race, bias, and solutions.

  Anu Gupta thinks we are all biased, and that we all need to be "Breaking Bias," every day. In this episode, he shares his story of how other people's bias almost caused him to take his life.

  Anu Gupta is a renowned meditation teacher, human rights lawyer, scientist, and author of the book "Breaking Bias.'" The discussion centers around the profound impact of biases, including Anu's personal experiences with racial 'othering' and post-9/11 Islamophobia, which led to his severe mental health struggles.

  He introduces the PRISM framework (Perspective-taking, Prosocial behavior, Individuation, Stereotype replacement, and Mindfulness) as a set of tools for fostering systemic change and understanding.

  Anu's initiative, Be More With Anu, and his call to action for greater awareness and inclusive practices highlight the steps people can take to break through their biases. Our society is experiencing a mental health crisis where too many people are "othered" because of skin color, and other differences and feel like they don't belong. By "Breaking Bias," we can increase empathy, connection, and reduce fear of differences. Listen to this episode or watch it on YouTube, but don't miss this conversation on race.

  00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview

  01:06 Guest Introduction: Anu Gupta

  02:18 The Importance of Discussing Race

  04:39 Anu Gupta's Personal Journey

  10:57 Understanding Bias and Its Impact

  27:35 The Prism Toolkit for Reducing Bias

  33:49 Understanding Systemic Racial Issues in Policing

  34:58 The Historical Roots of Racial Bias

  36:53 Kamala Harris and the Intersection of Bias

  40:39 Introducing PRISM: A Toolkit for Bias Reduction

  43:57 Personal Stories of Overcoming Bias

  46:37 Engaging in Conversations About Bias

  54:47 Final Thoughts and Resources

  Guests Bio:

  Anu Gupta is an educator, lawyer, scientist, and the founder and CEO of BE MORE with Anu, an education technology benefit corporation that trains professionals across corporate, nonprofit, and government sectors to advance DEIB and wellness by breaking bias. His work has reached 300+ organizations training more than 80,000 professionals impacting over 30 million lives. As a gay immigrant of color, he came to the work of breaking bias after almost ending his life due to lifelong experiences with racism, homophobia, and Islamophobia. The realization that bias can be unlearned helped lead him out of that dark point and inspired a lifelong mission to build a global movement for social healing based on principles of mindfulness and compassion. A peer-reviewed author, he has written and spoken extensively, including on the TED stage, the Oprah Conversation, Fast Company, Newsweek, and Vogue Business.

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  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

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  How Can Art Eliminate Racism? Growing Up Biracial in a White World: Desiree Chang's Journey of Identity and Race Will Music Transcend Racial Divides? Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>f6a02fe6-dd5f-40a1-8eab-057fa7367f5bThu, 17 Oct 2024 06:34:00 -070001:01:41falsefull11291291How Can Art Eliminate Racism?How can art bring people together in a world divided by race and culture? In this episode of "Everyday Conversations on Race," we explore how creativity can break down walls and build genuine relationships across cultures.

  Meet two artists who use their craft to challenge boundaries and connect communities. Carlos "Kookie" Gonzalez, a Chicano artist and former gang member, shares his journey from the streets of San Francisco to becoming a renowned muralist. Carlos reveals how he turned his life around through art and now brings people together through community murals that tell the stories of struggle, pride, and resilience. Discover how he engages young people to see art as a path to a better future, rather than a life on the streets.

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  Laurie Marshall, an artist and educator, joins Carlos to discuss her "Singing Tree" project, which has united over 24,000 people from 52 countries in creating murals that envision a world of peace and understanding. Laurie describes how this collaborative process invites people to create something bigger than themselves and reimagine what's possible when diverse voices come together.

  Together, Carlos and Laurie explain how art can do more than just decorate walls—it can change minds, shift perspectives, and unite people who might never have met otherwise. They share actionable ideas on how anyone, regardless of background or skill level, can use art to spark conversations, dismantle stereotypes, and create new stories that connect us all.

  Tune in to hear powerful stories of transformation and learn how you can use art to bridge divides and build a more connected world.

  Guests Bio:

  Laurie Marshall For 3Laurie Marshall,5 years, Author, Innovator and Artist Laurie Marshall has empowered youth and adults through creative collaboration. She practices Peace Building through Art, inspired by Nature. A visionary educator, she has served mostly low-income children, families and their schools as an Arts Integration and Project Based Learning specialist. Her mission is to nurture creativity, a love of learning, and a collaborative spirit. She is the founder of Unity Through Creativity Foundation and the Singing Tree Project.

  Carlos "Kookie" Gonzalez was born in the San Francisco Mission District in 1959. He has been drawing and painting since childhood, and is a muralist, activist, visual artist, retired probation officer, and musician. As a young man, he was required to perform community service that involved working with muralists, and he quickly fell in love with the craft. Gonzalez attended San Francisco State University (SFSU) from 1983 to 1991, where he was a member of La Raza Student Organization. With La Raza, Gonzalez protested for multiple causes including solidarity in El Salvador and fighting for migrant farmworkers. He continues to work on private commissions and a mural project for affordable housing in the Mission District. Gonzalez's work reflects the street life, activism, music, and struggles of life as a Chicano/Latino in the Mission District.

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  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

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  ]]>How can art bring people together in a world divided by race and culture? In this episode of "Everyday Conversations on Race," we explore how creativity can break down walls and build genuine relationships across cultures.

  Meet two artists who use their craft to challenge boundaries and connect communities. Carlos "Kookie" Gonzalez, a Chicano artist and former gang member, shares his journey from the streets of San Francisco to becoming a renowned muralist. Carlos reveals how he turned his life around through art and now brings people together through community murals that tell the stories of struggle, pride, and resilience. Discover how he engages young people to see art as a path to a better future, rather than a life on the streets.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  Laurie Marshall, an artist and educator, joins Carlos to discuss her "Singing Tree" project, which has united over 24,000 people from 52 countries in creating murals that envision a world of peace and understanding. Laurie describes how this collaborative process invites people to create something bigger than themselves and reimagine what's possible when diverse voices come together.

  Together, Carlos and Laurie explain how art can do more than just decorate walls—it can change minds, shift perspectives, and unite people who might never have met otherwise. They share actionable ideas on how anyone, regardless of background or skill level, can use art to spark conversations, dismantle stereotypes, and create new stories that connect us all.

  Tune in to hear powerful stories of transformation and learn how you can use art to bridge divides and build a more connected world.

  Guests Bio:

  Laurie Marshall For 3Laurie Marshall,5 years, Author, Innovator and Artist Laurie Marshall has empowered youth and adults through creative collaboration. She practices Peace Building through Art, inspired by Nature. A visionary educator, she has served mostly low-income children, families and their schools as an Arts Integration and Project Based Learning specialist. Her mission is to nurture creativity, a love of learning, and a collaborative spirit. She is the founder of Unity Through Creativity Foundation and the Singing Tree Project.

  Carlos "Kookie" Gonzalez was born in the San Francisco Mission District in 1959. He has been drawing and painting since childhood, and is a muralist, activist, visual artist, retired probation officer, and musician. As a young man, he was required to perform community service that involved working with muralists, and he quickly fell in love with the craft. Gonzalez attended San Francisco State University (SFSU) from 1983 to 1991, where he was a member of La Raza Student Organization. With La Raza, Gonzalez protested for multiple causes including solidarity in El Salvador and fighting for migrant farmworkers. He continues to work on private commissions and a mural project for affordable housing in the Mission District. Gonzalez's work reflects the street life, activism, music, and struggles of life as a Chicano/Latino in the Mission District.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

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  Growing Up Biracial in a White World: Desiree Chang's Journey of Identity and Race Will Music Transcend Racial Divides? Racial Disparities in Colorectal Cancer Diagnosis and Death Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating
  ]]>f0e221d0-7a08-4dda-a888-c0b151ad9d1aFri, 06 Sep 2024 07:46:00 -070001:00:01falsefull11281281Growing Up Biracial in a White World: Desiree Chang's Journey of Identity and RaceImagine how you would feel if you were a biracial child raised by your white mother and knew nothing about your Black father or his culture. People treated you differently from your white cousins and the white kids at school, but you didn't know why.

  In this Everyday Conversation on Race episode Desiree Chang, the Director of Education and Outreach for the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission, joins me. Desiree shares her unique journey growing up in a mostly white community in Amish country, Pennsylvania, and later moving to a diverse high school in Delaware. She opens up about the challenges of finding her identity, feeling like an outlier in her family and community, and discovering her Black heritage in her mid-30s.

  Desiree talks about her career path, from working in probation and parole supervision, and drug and alcohol counseling, to her current role in civil rights advocacy. Hear her story. and why she believes it's essential to talk openly about race, and how avoiding these conversations can hurt children and keep ignorance alive.

  She shares personal stories about the emotional toll of constantly switching between cultural norms, the trauma of navigating a white-dominated world, and the necessity of preparing Black children for the realities they may face. Desiree also offers practical advice for white listeners on how to educate themselves about race and support efforts toward equity and inclusion.

  Key themes in our conversation include the importance of cultural humility, the impact of microaggressions, the need for genuine allyship, and how education can foster understanding and change. Desiree's honest reflections encourage listeners to think about their own experiences and biases, making this episode meaningful for anyone interested in social justice and personal growth.

  Tune in to hear Desiree Chang's powerful story and gain a deeper understanding of the complexities of race, identity, and advocacy today. This episode will leave you reflecting on your role in creating a more inclusive and equitable world.

  Desireé Chang bio

  Desireé Chang serves as the Director of Education & Outreach for the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission. Desireé has been with the PHRC for over four years. Prior to becoming the Director of Education & Outreach, she worked as a Civil Rights Mediator with the PHRC Mediation Division. During her tenure at the PHRC, Desireé has received the Director of Excellence Award (2020), PHRC Social Justice Team Award (2021) and the Employee of the Year, Central Office (2023). Most recently, she was recognized as one of the 2024 PA City & State Above & Beyond honorees. She is a graduate of the Martin Luther King, Jr. Leadership Institute (2021) and the Commonwealth Leadership Institute (2023). Desireé has been recognized for her participation on several committees and community social justice collaborative efforts.

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  Simma Lieberman The Inclusionist, helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

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  Racial Disparities in Colorectal Cancer Diagnosis and Death Navigating the End of Racial Disparities in Healthcare Culture Connects Us Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>Imagine how you would feel if you were a biracial child raised by your white mother and knew nothing about your Black father or his culture. People treated you differently from your white cousins and the white kids at school, but you didn't know why.

  In this Everyday Conversation on Race episode Desiree Chang, the Director of Education and Outreach for the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission, joins me. Desiree shares her unique journey growing up in a mostly white community in Amish country, Pennsylvania, and later moving to a diverse high school in Delaware. She opens up about the challenges of finding her identity, feeling like an outlier in her family and community, and discovering her Black heritage in her mid-30s.

  Desiree talks about her career path, from working in probation and parole supervision, and drug and alcohol counseling, to her current role in civil rights advocacy. Hear her story. and why she believes it's essential to talk openly about race, and how avoiding these conversations can hurt children and keep ignorance alive.

  She shares personal stories about the emotional toll of constantly switching between cultural norms, the trauma of navigating a white-dominated world, and the necessity of preparing Black children for the realities they may face. Desiree also offers practical advice for white listeners on how to educate themselves about race and support efforts toward equity and inclusion.

  Key themes in our conversation include the importance of cultural humility, the impact of microaggressions, the need for genuine allyship, and how education can foster understanding and change. Desiree's honest reflections encourage listeners to think about their own experiences and biases, making this episode meaningful for anyone interested in social justice and personal growth.

  Tune in to hear Desiree Chang's powerful story and gain a deeper understanding of the complexities of race, identity, and advocacy today. This episode will leave you reflecting on your role in creating a more inclusive and equitable world.

  Desireé Chang bio

  Desireé Chang serves as the Director of Education & Outreach for the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission. Desireé has been with the PHRC for over four years. Prior to becoming the Director of Education & Outreach, she worked as a Civil Rights Mediator with the PHRC Mediation Division. During her tenure at the PHRC, Desireé has received the Director of Excellence Award (2020), PHRC Social Justice Team Award (2021) and the Employee of the Year, Central Office (2023). Most recently, she was recognized as one of the 2024 PA City & State Above & Beyond honorees. She is a graduate of the Martin Luther King, Jr. Leadership Institute (2021) and the Commonwealth Leadership Institute (2023). Desireé has been recognized for her participation on several committees and community social justice collaborative efforts.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  Simma Lieberman The Inclusionist, helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

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  Racial Disparities in Colorectal Cancer Diagnosis and Death Navigating the End of Racial Disparities in Healthcare Culture Connects Us Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>2c2c8fd9-f712-48a6-8671-6587e44a815fFri, 16 Aug 2024 04:44:00 -070001:05:30falsefull11271271Will Music Transcend Racial Divides?Join Simma the Inclusionist in this episode of "Everyday Conversations on Race" as she discusses how culture connects us. The episode features special guests Kaati Gaffney and Ashel Seasunz Eldridge, who have extensive musical backgrounds. Discover how music shapes their perspectives on race and inclusion. Tune in for insightful conversations and engaging discussions on the power of culture to bring people together.

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  Key Moments:

  [00:00:47] Music as a Cultural Connector. [00:05:01] Cultural unity and division. [00:09:13] Growing up in diverse communities. [00:17:01] Why talk about race? [00:21:13] The power of music. [00:25:00] Cultural Appropriation vs. Homage. [00:29:20] Race and blood connections. [00:34:08] Cultures Clashing. [00:38:47] Cultural Identity and Heritage. [00:41:39] Using culture for peace. [00:46:41] Culture and birthing connection. [00:49:56] Love overcoming fear. [00:54:12] Breaking barriers through music. [00:56:46] Authentic music preferences.

  Culture can be a powerful tool for connecting people across different backgrounds and fostering understanding and empathy. In the podcast episode, Simma, Kaati, and Ashel provide examples of how sharing cultures can significantly role bring people together.

  Kaati shared her experiences in the music industry, promoting reggae and blues music across the world. Music festivals serve as diverse communities where people from various backgrounds come together to enjoy music. Both guests share personal examples of how music can be a universal language that can transcend race, and connect individuals on a deeper level. They both say that music, as a cultural expression, can bridge gaps and create shared experiences among people from different cultural backgrounds.

  Ashel told us a compelling story about using culture to connect and address conflicts. He described a musical event organized by a Jewish friend pre-October 7, to be held post-October 7, which was to include Hebrew songs. "My friend expressed anger and frustration about the situation in Israel and Palestine. Instead of dismissing his feelings, our community created a safe space for open dialogue and understanding. By incorporating Hebrew songs alongside Palestinian prayers at an event, we demonstrated how cultural elements can be used to facilitate conversations, build bridges, and promote reconciliation."

  Kaati mentioned her involvement in the birthing community, with different cultural practices and beliefs. "The birthing process serves as a space where cultural traditions and values are honored, showcasing how cultural diversity can be celebrated and respected in various aspects of life."

  This episode of "Everyday Conversations on Race," highlights how culture serves as a common ground for people to connect, share experiences, and foster empathy and understanding. By embracing cultural differences and engaging in meaningful conversations, individuals can use culture as a powerful tool to bridge divides and promote unity among diverse communities.

  Guests Bio: Ashel Seasunz Eldridge, Chicago born, living in Oakland by way of NY. He has West African/Blackfoot ancestry. Ashel has been working internationally with various shamanic practices since 2005. His ceremonial leadership includes Dagara divinitory and ancestral healing, Japanese spiritual purification, and Galactic Language Activation/Soul Cleansing via Tian Gong. He is Co-founder/Co-Director of Esphera, (umbrella for Essential Food and Medicine (EFAM), Solestial Church, and Earth Amplified, creating liberation through restoring ecosystems, regenerating communities, re-telling our stories, and remembering our divinity. The work spans from recovery support from addiction with the Oakland unhoused to indigenous international hip-hop to Elemental Activism: Rites of Repair (Tantra, Transformative Justice, Quantum Physics, and Divination)

  Kaati Gaffney

  Music Marketer since 1994 specializing in Blues and Reggae genresWe offer content on several platforms for fans— but also help festival promoters, bands and musicians reach those fans but also others in the industry.

  Each Thursday, we also publish the e-publications jam-packed with latest CD and single releases, featured videos, industry news, contests, Roots Radio Airplay Charts, tour dates, and upcoming festivals!

  Over the years, our company has morphed into a full-service, marketing and publicity company and we boast the largest reggae and blues databases in the world and several media platforms including a top-ranking website and social media pages with a half a million fans.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

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  Racial Disparities in Colorectal Cancer Diagnosis and Death Navigating the End of Racial Disparities in Healthcare Culture Connects Us Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>Join Simma the Inclusionist in this episode of "Everyday Conversations on Race" as she discusses how culture connects us. The episode features special guests Kaati Gaffney and Ashel Seasunz Eldridge, who have extensive musical backgrounds. Discover how music shapes their perspectives on race and inclusion. Tune in for insightful conversations and engaging discussions on the power of culture to bring people together.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  Key Moments:

  [00:00:47] Music as a Cultural Connector. [00:05:01] Cultural unity and division. [00:09:13] Growing up in diverse communities. [00:17:01] Why talk about race? [00:21:13] The power of music. [00:25:00] Cultural Appropriation vs. Homage. [00:29:20] Race and blood connections. [00:34:08] Cultures Clashing. [00:38:47] Cultural Identity and Heritage. [00:41:39] Using culture for peace. [00:46:41] Culture and birthing connection. [00:49:56] Love overcoming fear. [00:54:12] Breaking barriers through music. [00:56:46] Authentic music preferences.

  Culture can be a powerful tool for connecting people across different backgrounds and fostering understanding and empathy. In the podcast episode, Simma, Kaati, and Ashel provide examples of how sharing cultures can significantly role bring people together.

  Kaati shared her experiences in the music industry, promoting reggae and blues music across the world. Music festivals serve as diverse communities where people from various backgrounds come together to enjoy music. Both guests share personal examples of how music can be a universal language that can transcend race, and connect individuals on a deeper level. They both say that music, as a cultural expression, can bridge gaps and create shared experiences among people from different cultural backgrounds.

  Ashel told us a compelling story about using culture to connect and address conflicts. He described a musical event organized by a Jewish friend pre-October 7, to be held post-October 7, which was to include Hebrew songs. "My friend expressed anger and frustration about the situation in Israel and Palestine. Instead of dismissing his feelings, our community created a safe space for open dialogue and understanding. By incorporating Hebrew songs alongside Palestinian prayers at an event, we demonstrated how cultural elements can be used to facilitate conversations, build bridges, and promote reconciliation."

  Kaati mentioned her involvement in the birthing community, with different cultural practices and beliefs. "The birthing process serves as a space where cultural traditions and values are honored, showcasing how cultural diversity can be celebrated and respected in various aspects of life."

  This episode of "Everyday Conversations on Race," highlights how culture serves as a common ground for people to connect, share experiences, and foster empathy and understanding. By embracing cultural differences and engaging in meaningful conversations, individuals can use culture as a powerful tool to bridge divides and promote unity among diverse communities.

  Guests Bio: Ashel Seasunz Eldridge, Chicago born, living in Oakland by way of NY. He has West African/Blackfoot ancestry. Ashel has been working internationally with various shamanic practices since 2005. His ceremonial leadership includes Dagara divinitory and ancestral healing, Japanese spiritual purification, and Galactic Language Activation/Soul Cleansing via Tian Gong. He is Co-founder/Co-Director of Esphera, (umbrella for Essential Food and Medicine (EFAM), Solestial Church, and Earth Amplified, creating liberation through restoring ecosystems, regenerating communities, re-telling our stories, and remembering our divinity. The work spans from recovery support from addiction with the Oakland unhoused to indigenous international hip-hop to Elemental Activism: Rites of Repair (Tantra, Transformative Justice, Quantum Physics, and Divination)

  Kaati Gaffney

  Music Marketer since 1994 specializing in Blues and Reggae genresWe offer content on several platforms for fans— but also help festival promoters, bands and musicians reach those fans but also others in the industry.

  Each Thursday, we also publish the e-publications jam-packed with latest CD and single releases, featured videos, industry news, contests, Roots Radio Airplay Charts, tour dates, and upcoming festivals!

  Over the years, our company has morphed into a full-service, marketing and publicity company and we boast the largest reggae and blues databases in the world and several media platforms including a top-ranking website and social media pages with a half a million fans.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

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  Racial Disparities in Colorectal Cancer Diagnosis and Death Navigating the End of Racial Disparities in Healthcare Culture Connects Us Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>bbfd7f8f-d198-4059-900f-952fa4083c6bSun, 30 Jun 2024 10:01:00 -070059:34falsefull11261261Racial Disparities in Colorectal Cancer Diagnosis and DeathWhy is there an increase in young people dying from Colorectal Cancer? Why are young people dying at a greater rate than anyone else? Are people under 50 too young to get colorectal cancer?

  In this episode of "Everyday Conversations on Race," Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, is joined by Lisa Hall, Senior Director of Prevention and Screening at the Colorectal Cancer Alliance, and Michael Sapienza, CEO of the Colorectal Cancer Alliance. They tell us why so many people are being diagnosed too late, and why more non-white people are dying compared to white people. Michael shares his personal story of his mother's death and the impact it had on him when he was young.

  Lisa talks about health disparities and how important her work with the Colorectal Cancer Alliance is to her as a Black woman. Listen to learn more about this critical health disparity affecting people of color and. the racial disparities in screening, diagnosis and deaths from colorectal cancer. At the end of this episode you'll know what you can do for yourself, how you can help your community and how you can support your friends who may be at risk, no matter who they are.

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  Key Moments: [00:01:08] Racial disparity in colorectal cancer. [00:06:43] Early detection in minority populations. [00:10:37] Expanding colorectal cancer screening age. [00:15:19] Understanding average risk for screenings. [00:18:35] Screening disparities and awareness. [00:21:19] Advocating for your health. [00:27:13] Importance of early screening. [00:29:52] Resources for colorectal cancer.

  Guests Bio

  Michael Sapienza, Chief Executive Officer of the Colorectal Cancer Alliance, lost his mother to the disease in May 2009. He turned his profound grief into action, inspiring and challenging the colorectal cancer community, family, friends, and professional associates to follow his lead and dedicate themselves to ending colorectal cancer within our lifetime—now the mission of the Colorectal Cancer Alliance. Michael served as President and Founder of The Chris4Life Colon Cancer Foundation from 2010-2015. He was an integral member of the team that led the effort to merge the Chris4Life Colon Cancer Foundation and the Colon Cancer Alliance, creating the nation's largest colon cancer specific nonprofit. In 2017, the Colon Cancer Alliance changed its name to Colorectal Cancer Alliance, embracing the entire colorectal cancer community.

  Lisa Hall is a healthcare leader with extensive, proven expertise in strategic client management and development. During her career, she has applied her proven experience in cultivating and managing successful, complex relationships to drive forward both the client and organizations business agendas; She has done so while demonstrating results for influencing business outcomes achieving solid, consistent, market share and profit gains. Lisa's business approach exemplifies her skills in consultative selling and building relationships with clients and prospects that ensures long-term, client solutions and business growth.

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  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her for your next DEIB event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

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  Navigating the End of Racial Disparities in Healthcare Culture Connects Us Black Modern Elder Academy: Creating a Space for Authenticity and Diverse Experiences Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>Why is there an increase in young people dying from Colorectal Cancer? Why are young people dying at a greater rate than anyone else? Are people under 50 too young to get colorectal cancer?

  In this episode of "Everyday Conversations on Race," Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, is joined by Lisa Hall, Senior Director of Prevention and Screening at the Colorectal Cancer Alliance, and Michael Sapienza, CEO of the Colorectal Cancer Alliance. They tell us why so many people are being diagnosed too late, and why more non-white people are dying compared to white people. Michael shares his personal story of his mother's death and the impact it had on him when he was young.

  Lisa talks about health disparities and how important her work with the Colorectal Cancer Alliance is to her as a Black woman. Listen to learn more about this critical health disparity affecting people of color and. the racial disparities in screening, diagnosis and deaths from colorectal cancer. At the end of this episode you'll know what you can do for yourself, how you can help your community and how you can support your friends who may be at risk, no matter who they are.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  Key Moments: [00:01:08] Racial disparity in colorectal cancer. [00:06:43] Early detection in minority populations. [00:10:37] Expanding colorectal cancer screening age. [00:15:19] Understanding average risk for screenings. [00:18:35] Screening disparities and awareness. [00:21:19] Advocating for your health. [00:27:13] Importance of early screening. [00:29:52] Resources for colorectal cancer.

  Guests Bio

  Michael Sapienza, Chief Executive Officer of the Colorectal Cancer Alliance, lost his mother to the disease in May 2009. He turned his profound grief into action, inspiring and challenging the colorectal cancer community, family, friends, and professional associates to follow his lead and dedicate themselves to ending colorectal cancer within our lifetime—now the mission of the Colorectal Cancer Alliance. Michael served as President and Founder of The Chris4Life Colon Cancer Foundation from 2010-2015. He was an integral member of the team that led the effort to merge the Chris4Life Colon Cancer Foundation and the Colon Cancer Alliance, creating the nation's largest colon cancer specific nonprofit. In 2017, the Colon Cancer Alliance changed its name to Colorectal Cancer Alliance, embracing the entire colorectal cancer community.

  Lisa Hall is a healthcare leader with extensive, proven expertise in strategic client management and development. During her career, she has applied her proven experience in cultivating and managing successful, complex relationships to drive forward both the client and organizations business agendas; She has done so while demonstrating results for influencing business outcomes achieving solid, consistent, market share and profit gains. Lisa's business approach exemplifies her skills in consultative selling and building relationships with clients and prospects that ensures long-term, client solutions and business growth.

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  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her for your next DEIB event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

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  Navigating the End of Racial Disparities in Healthcare Culture Connects Us Black Modern Elder Academy: Creating a Space for Authenticity and Diverse Experiences Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>6f5e632c-925a-4856-9058-db335368cbf7Sat, 08 Jun 2024 06:07:00 -070031:44falsefull11251251Navigating the End of Racial Disparities in Healthcare

  African-American Women are twice as likely as the national average to have Alzheimer's disease! Why??

  Find out on "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People, with my guest Asoniti Foster founder of Puzzled 2020, a company focused on mental wellness and Alzheimer's awareness. Asoniti discusses the urgency of addressing Alzheimer's in the Black community, highlighting the alarming statistic that African-American women are twice as likely to have Alzheimer's than the national average. We go deep into the intersection of race and Alzheimer's, to create awareness and the proactive measures that can be taken within marginalized communities.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  Key Moments:

  [00:03:51] Mental health in Black community.

  [00:07:07] Alzheimer's risk factors and the problem of awareness.

  [00:08:10] Alzheimer's disease and the lack of awareness in general and specifically in the African-American community.

  [00:13:51] Alzheimer's in the Black community and racial disparities in treatment and diagnosis

  [00:18:18] Exercise benefits for brain health and why it's so important for Black women.

  [00:22:38] Gratitude as a brain exercise.

  [00:25:59] Scrolling addiction and relationship to Alzheimer's

  [00:29:17] Alzheimer's epidemic and Black women.

  [00:34:33] Alzheimer's unexpected behaviors that most people don't know

  [00:36:41] Puzzled documentary on Alzheimer's.

  [00:41:07] Be your own advocate, and bring someone with you

  [00:46:51] Emotional Intelligence, books, and brain cells

  [00:48:02] Living longer in Blue Zones, and what we all can do to keep our brains and bodies healthier.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  About Asoniti Foster website: www.puzzled2020.com email: info@puzzled2020.com Facebook: @puzzled2020 Instagram: @puzzled2020

  Born and raised in the city by the Bay, San Francisco, ASONITI FOSTER is a content creator /writer/producer and licensed caregiver. After graduating from San Francisco State University, majoring in Mass Communications with an emphasis in broadcast media and writing for television, Asoniti relocated to Los Angeles and held several positions in the entertainment industry. Success was indeed the reward, as she quickly moved up the ladder to eventually write a couple of episodes on Will and Jada Pinkett Smiths' hit sitcom, "All of Us". She also worked on a number of other sitcoms, including, One on One", starring Flex Alexander and Kyla Pratt, "Second Time Around" starring Nicole Ari Parker and Boris Kojo, and "Just Jordan" a Nickelodeon show. After the writer's strike, Asoniti began independently developing and filming various projects.

  While honing her skills in creating, developing, and producing, a new passion blossomed in her life, care for Alzheimer's patients. When both her grandmothers passed from the condition, she educated herself about it and planned to be proactive to an ignored class of patients. What she discovered was surprising and saw an opportunity to share her found information. With very little, to no material about why African American women are twice as likely to have the disease she knew it would be fitting to develop a documentary about it. So, she did, and it is titled, "Puzzled".

  PUZZLED is an Alzheimer's awareness documentary that will focus on why women are more like to have AD and why African American women are twice as likely to have it than the national average. And this would only be accomplished working alongside her daughter. As a producer on the documentary, SONI FOSTER-JACKSON is a pre-teen, sassy, smart, socializer, currently enjoying school and extracurricular activities: art, skateboarding, dance, and music – playing the French horn. Although her career goal is to become a veterinarian, she is multi-talented in production and post-production with an eye for creative edits and attractive content. Her voice plays a vital role in the project providing Alzheimer's awareness from a youthful point of view.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her for your next DEIB event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

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  Culture Connects Us Black Modern Elder Academy: Creating a Space for Authenticity and Diverse Experiences Unpacking Identity, Race, and Representation in Crime Fiction Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>

  African-American Women are twice as likely as the national average to have Alzheimer's disease! Why??

  Find out on "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People, with my guest Asoniti Foster founder of Puzzled 2020, a company focused on mental wellness and Alzheimer's awareness. Asoniti discusses the urgency of addressing Alzheimer's in the Black community, highlighting the alarming statistic that African-American women are twice as likely to have Alzheimer's than the national average. We go deep into the intersection of race and Alzheimer's, to create awareness and the proactive measures that can be taken within marginalized communities.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  Key Moments:

  [00:03:51] Mental health in Black community.

  [00:07:07] Alzheimer's risk factors and the problem of awareness.

  [00:08:10] Alzheimer's disease and the lack of awareness in general and specifically in the African-American community.

  [00:13:51] Alzheimer's in the Black community and racial disparities in treatment and diagnosis

  [00:18:18] Exercise benefits for brain health and why it's so important for Black women.

  [00:22:38] Gratitude as a brain exercise.

  [00:25:59] Scrolling addiction and relationship to Alzheimer's

  [00:29:17] Alzheimer's epidemic and Black women.

  [00:34:33] Alzheimer's unexpected behaviors that most people don't know

  [00:36:41] Puzzled documentary on Alzheimer's.

  [00:41:07] Be your own advocate, and bring someone with you

  [00:46:51] Emotional Intelligence, books, and brain cells

  [00:48:02] Living longer in Blue Zones, and what we all can do to keep our brains and bodies healthier.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  About Asoniti Foster website: www.puzzled2020.com email: info@puzzled2020.com Facebook: @puzzled2020 Instagram: @puzzled2020

  Born and raised in the city by the Bay, San Francisco, ASONITI FOSTER is a content creator /writer/producer and licensed caregiver. After graduating from San Francisco State University, majoring in Mass Communications with an emphasis in broadcast media and writing for television, Asoniti relocated to Los Angeles and held several positions in the entertainment industry. Success was indeed the reward, as she quickly moved up the ladder to eventually write a couple of episodes on Will and Jada Pinkett Smiths' hit sitcom, "All of Us". She also worked on a number of other sitcoms, including, One on One", starring Flex Alexander and Kyla Pratt, "Second Time Around" starring Nicole Ari Parker and Boris Kojo, and "Just Jordan" a Nickelodeon show. After the writer's strike, Asoniti began independently developing and filming various projects.

  While honing her skills in creating, developing, and producing, a new passion blossomed in her life, care for Alzheimer's patients. When both her grandmothers passed from the condition, she educated herself about it and planned to be proactive to an ignored class of patients. What she discovered was surprising and saw an opportunity to share her found information. With very little, to no material about why African American women are twice as likely to have the disease she knew it would be fitting to develop a documentary about it. So, she did, and it is titled, "Puzzled".

  PUZZLED is an Alzheimer's awareness documentary that will focus on why women are more like to have AD and why African American women are twice as likely to have it than the national average. And this would only be accomplished working alongside her daughter. As a producer on the documentary, SONI FOSTER-JACKSON is a pre-teen, sassy, smart, socializer, currently enjoying school and extracurricular activities: art, skateboarding, dance, and music – playing the French horn. Although her career goal is to become a veterinarian, she is multi-talented in production and post-production with an eye for creative edits and attractive content. Her voice plays a vital role in the project providing Alzheimer's awareness from a youthful point of view.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her for your next DEIB event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

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  Culture Connects Us Black Modern Elder Academy: Creating a Space for Authenticity and Diverse Experiences Unpacking Identity, Race, and Representation in Crime Fiction Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>1f325ae0-8e7b-4b86-afdb-e2902ff18962Thu, 23 May 2024 08:01:00 -070051:11falsefull11241241Culture Connects UsTitle: Culture Connects Us: Identity and Transformation

  Do our cultures connect us or drive us apart? Why are our cultures even important?

  Join Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, in this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People, to hear how culture can connect us, with guests Jalila Bell, Kwame Gaylon Logan, and Kayla Marin. They explore the importance of using culture to bring people together and share personal experiences. Galen, the founder of Village Connect, shares insights as a father and grandfather of 10. Tune in for an engaging conversation on race, culture, and building inclusive communities.

  Shownotes:

  Have you ever wondered how culture can either unite us or divide us? The creators of the film "Culture Connects Us", believe that knowing and sharing our cultures can bring us together.

  If you think you know what culture is, you need to check out this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People, and listen to these stories.

  These three filmmakers of "Culture Connects Us.".explore the film "Culture Connects Us" and share their personal journeys and the profound impact of cultural identities. Listen to Kwame Gaylon Logan, Jalila Bell and Kayla Marin talk about how our names hold deep significance and often shape our sense of self. Galen's experience in Ghana for a naming ceremony transformed his understanding of his cultural roots, while Jalila's Palestinian name reflects beauty and illumination. Kayla's attachment to her last name, Marin, highlights the importance of family history and identity.

  Culture goes beyond mere traditions; it embodies the essence of who we are. Understanding and embracing our cultural backgrounds can lead to greater self-awareness and connection with others. As Galen mentioned, love serves as a unifying force that transcends cultural differences. By celebrating our diverse cultures and sharing our stories, we can break down barriers and foster empathy and unity in society.

  Join us as we delve into the world of culture beyond what is visible, beyond what is assumed and how culture can be used to divide or connect us all.

  In this engaging podcast episode, Simma Lieberman, the inclusionist, hosts a conversation with guests Jalila Bell, Kwame Gaylon Logan, Jr., and Kaylah Marin. The discussion revolves around the theme of culture connecting us, exploring the significance of cultural identity and the power of storytelling in bridging differences.

  The guests share personal stories about their names and cultural backgrounds, highlighting the importance of embracing one's heritage and identity. From naming ceremonies in Ghana to the complexities of cultural integration in America, each guest brings a unique perspective to the conversation.

  Discover how names hold deep significance and reflect individual journeys towards self-discovery and acceptance. Join the conversation on race, culture, and the transformative power of storytelling in this thought-provoking episode.

  Don't miss out on the insightful reflections and inspiring narratives shared by the guests as they delve into the essence of culture and connection. Tune in to gain a deeper understanding of the diverse experiences that shape our identities and relationships.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  Guests Bio

  Jalila Bell is a dynamic multi-hyphenate whose talents span a diverse array of disciplines. From her accomplished career in law to her passions for dance, production, film, choreography, visual arts, and yoga, Jalila embodies the spirit of relentless exploration and creative expression. Honing her skills at institutions like the San Francisco's Ruth Asawa School of the Arts and the prestigious American Dance Festival, Jalila has cultivated a rich tapestry of experiences. She holds dual degrees from Mills College and a J.D. from Golden Gate University Law School, reflecting her commitment to both artistic and academic pursuits. As a dancer, Jalila has graced renowned stages with Nyane Khosi Dance NYC, Delucia Benson Dance, and the Vissi Dance Theater, among others. Driven by her passion and fueled by resilience, Jalila infuses every endeavor with creativity and dedication. Through her artistry and expertise, she seeks to ignite curiosity and inspire others to explore the boundless possibilities of self-expression.

  A native of San Francisco deeply engaged in social activism, Kaylah has dedicated her career to serving various causes through her work with notable organizations such as the Dolores Huerta Foundation, Base Building For Power, Village Connect, Artist for Literacy, Women of Color Resource Center, Black College Expo, Furthermore, her musical contributions to Ron Dellum's Memorial highlight her ongoing commitment to social justice and activism. In an effort to spotlight Indigenous cultures and land rights, Kaylah collaborated with the Garifuna International Indigenous Film Festival, an endeavor that earned her the title of Ambassador of Music in both 2017 and 2018.

  Kwame Osagyefo (Gaylon Logan, Jr.) Kwame is a thought leader, founder and CEO of Village-Connect Inc., an award-winning San Francisco Bay Area community-based organization. A comprehensive integrated system of care that employs transformative coaching as a core approach which paves the way for individuals, families, and communities to heal, grow and achieve social, economic, emotional, and political sustainability. For more than 25 years Kwame served the community as an organizational development consultant, workshop and seminar facilitator, Master CBTC coach, and local/national/international motivational speaker delivering profound perspectives on fatherhood, motivating youth and families towards success.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her for your next DEIB event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

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  Black Modern Elder Academy: Creating a Space for Authenticity and Diverse Experiences Unpacking Identity, Race, and Representation in Crime Fiction A Black Executive Perspective on Race in Corporate America Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>Title: Culture Connects Us: Identity and Transformation

  Do our cultures connect us or drive us apart? Why are our cultures even important?

  Join Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, in this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People, to hear how culture can connect us, with guests Jalila Bell, Kwame Gaylon Logan, and Kayla Marin. They explore the importance of using culture to bring people together and share personal experiences. Galen, the founder of Village Connect, shares insights as a father and grandfather of 10. Tune in for an engaging conversation on race, culture, and building inclusive communities.

  Shownotes:

  Have you ever wondered how culture can either unite us or divide us? The creators of the film "Culture Connects Us", believe that knowing and sharing our cultures can bring us together.

  If you think you know what culture is, you need to check out this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People, and listen to these stories.

  These three filmmakers of "Culture Connects Us.".explore the film "Culture Connects Us" and share their personal journeys and the profound impact of cultural identities. Listen to Kwame Gaylon Logan, Jalila Bell and Kayla Marin talk about how our names hold deep significance and often shape our sense of self. Galen's experience in Ghana for a naming ceremony transformed his understanding of his cultural roots, while Jalila's Palestinian name reflects beauty and illumination. Kayla's attachment to her last name, Marin, highlights the importance of family history and identity.

  Culture goes beyond mere traditions; it embodies the essence of who we are. Understanding and embracing our cultural backgrounds can lead to greater self-awareness and connection with others. As Galen mentioned, love serves as a unifying force that transcends cultural differences. By celebrating our diverse cultures and sharing our stories, we can break down barriers and foster empathy and unity in society.

  Join us as we delve into the world of culture beyond what is visible, beyond what is assumed and how culture can be used to divide or connect us all.

  In this engaging podcast episode, Simma Lieberman, the inclusionist, hosts a conversation with guests Jalila Bell, Kwame Gaylon Logan, Jr., and Kaylah Marin. The discussion revolves around the theme of culture connecting us, exploring the significance of cultural identity and the power of storytelling in bridging differences.

  The guests share personal stories about their names and cultural backgrounds, highlighting the importance of embracing one's heritage and identity. From naming ceremonies in Ghana to the complexities of cultural integration in America, each guest brings a unique perspective to the conversation.

  Discover how names hold deep significance and reflect individual journeys towards self-discovery and acceptance. Join the conversation on race, culture, and the transformative power of storytelling in this thought-provoking episode.

  Don't miss out on the insightful reflections and inspiring narratives shared by the guests as they delve into the essence of culture and connection. Tune in to gain a deeper understanding of the diverse experiences that shape our identities and relationships.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  Guests Bio

  Jalila Bell is a dynamic multi-hyphenate whose talents span a diverse array of disciplines. From her accomplished career in law to her passions for dance, production, film, choreography, visual arts, and yoga, Jalila embodies the spirit of relentless exploration and creative expression. Honing her skills at institutions like the San Francisco's Ruth Asawa School of the Arts and the prestigious American Dance Festival, Jalila has cultivated a rich tapestry of experiences. She holds dual degrees from Mills College and a J.D. from Golden Gate University Law School, reflecting her commitment to both artistic and academic pursuits. As a dancer, Jalila has graced renowned stages with Nyane Khosi Dance NYC, Delucia Benson Dance, and the Vissi Dance Theater, among others. Driven by her passion and fueled by resilience, Jalila infuses every endeavor with creativity and dedication. Through her artistry and expertise, she seeks to ignite curiosity and inspire others to explore the boundless possibilities of self-expression.

  A native of San Francisco deeply engaged in social activism, Kaylah has dedicated her career to serving various causes through her work with notable organizations such as the Dolores Huerta Foundation, Base Building For Power, Village Connect, Artist for Literacy, Women of Color Resource Center, Black College Expo, Furthermore, her musical contributions to Ron Dellum's Memorial highlight her ongoing commitment to social justice and activism. In an effort to spotlight Indigenous cultures and land rights, Kaylah collaborated with the Garifuna International Indigenous Film Festival, an endeavor that earned her the title of Ambassador of Music in both 2017 and 2018.

  Kwame Osagyefo (Gaylon Logan, Jr.) Kwame is a thought leader, founder and CEO of Village-Connect Inc., an award-winning San Francisco Bay Area community-based organization. A comprehensive integrated system of care that employs transformative coaching as a core approach which paves the way for individuals, families, and communities to heal, grow and achieve social, economic, emotional, and political sustainability. For more than 25 years Kwame served the community as an organizational development consultant, workshop and seminar facilitator, Master CBTC coach, and local/national/international motivational speaker delivering profound perspectives on fatherhood, motivating youth and families towards success.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her for your next DEIB event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

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  Black Modern Elder Academy: Creating a Space for Authenticity and Diverse Experiences Unpacking Identity, Race, and Representation in Crime Fiction A Black Executive Perspective on Race in Corporate America Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>51a929e3-030b-4ba4-9502-a12d5005722bThu, 09 May 2024 13:26:00 -070001:08:58falsefull11231231Black Modern Elder Academy: Creating a Space for Authenticity and Diverse ExperiencesThe Modern Elder Academy, is a space for healing, self-reflection, and personal transformation for the "Modern Elder." It helps people redefine what it means to be a modern elder and make choices about the next phase of their lives. So, if this need is true for everyone, why is there a need for a week just for Black people? In this conversation on race, my guests and the founder, Chip Conley answer this question. My guests are Wanda Whitaker, Dr. Diane Johnson and Cassius Johnson.

  Hear about the significance of listening to intuition and paying attention to physical sensations in personal growth and decision-making. Wanda, Diane and Cassius talk about the wisdom found in the head, heart, and body, beyond mere intellect, and share experiences where following intuition led to profound transformations.

  Click here to DONATE and support these conversations on race.

  Dr. Diane Johnson stresses the importance of recognizing intuitive wisdom manifested through physical sensations, guiding individuals through significant moments and decisions. Personal stories shared by guests underscore the transformative power of listening to intuition and physical cues, leading to healing, self-discovery, and profound insights.

  Wanda Whitaker emphasizes the healing potential of spaces like the Modern Elder Academy, where individuals can share stories, engage in rituals, and connect deeply with others. The episode underscores the value of honoring intuition and physical sensations as guides for personal growth and decision-making, leading to transformative experiences and insights.

  Cassius Johnson shares his personal experiences, what brought him to the Modern Elder Academy and why he wants more Black people to attend the Black Modern Elder Academy Week.

  Time Stamps

  [00:01:16] The Modern Elder Academy- a new way to be an elder

  [00:06:29] The need for a Black Modern Elder Academy.

  [00:14:07] Modern Elder Academy for Black Folks.

  [00:20:29] Black Modern Elder Academy Origins.

  [00:26:41] Diversity and scholarship impact.

  [00:29:00] Ancestral connection through transformational experiences.

  [00:32:46] Creating Courageous Spaces.

  [00:37:13] Feeling safe in Black spaces.

  [00:44:13] Re-commitment to purpose.

  [00:47:09] Healing and transformation.

  [00:52:41] Celebrating identity and diversity.

  [00:54:23] Trusting intuition for safety.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  Dr. Diane J. Johnson has almost 30 years experience in the business, public and social sectors in a multitude of roles. They include change management consultant, trainer and executive coach, program director, evaluator and researcher, fundraiser, communications/pr lead, and organizational culture specialist. Extraordinarily skilled, purpose-driven, highly intuitive and analytical, Dr. Johnson, Ph.D. is CEO and Founder of Mmapeu Organizational Consulting. Mmapeu is a South African name that means "woman who carries ideas." Mmapeu Organizational Consulting, a national consulting firm has trained, consulted and worked with more than 12,500 mission-driven individuals, businesses and organizations.

  Wanda is CEO of Anchored In Spirit, a California based business, helping individuals and groups to transform, transcend and transmute through the arts and sciences. As an author, certified hypnotherapist, visionary artist and Spiritual teacher, educating and advocating for the betterment of society.

  Cassius Johnson is co-founder of Perceptist, a social impact consulting firm that supports non- and for-profit social impact leaders on strategy, innovative operational systems, and change management. Cassius is a purpose-driven strategic leader who finds great joy and meaning in developing strategies that advance solutions that improve life outcomes for the most vulnerable people and communities in our society. He has developed his diverse skills through a career that includes leadership roles in government, philanthropy, and nonprofit and for-profit national organizations focused on increasing impact in education and transition to the workforce.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her for your next DEIB event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

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  Previous Episodes

  Unpacking Identity, Race, and Representation in Crime Fiction A Black Executive Perspective on Race in Corporate America Cancel Culture Unmasking the Dangers of Instant Judgment and Outrage Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>The Modern Elder Academy, is a space for healing, self-reflection, and personal transformation for the "Modern Elder." It helps people redefine what it means to be a modern elder and make choices about the next phase of their lives. So, if this need is true for everyone, why is there a need for a week just for Black people? In this conversation on race, my guests and the founder, Chip Conley answer this question. My guests are Wanda Whitaker, Dr. Diane Johnson and Cassius Johnson.

  Hear about the significance of listening to intuition and paying attention to physical sensations in personal growth and decision-making. Wanda, Diane and Cassius talk about the wisdom found in the head, heart, and body, beyond mere intellect, and share experiences where following intuition led to profound transformations.

  Click here to DONATE and support these conversations on race.

  Dr. Diane Johnson stresses the importance of recognizing intuitive wisdom manifested through physical sensations, guiding individuals through significant moments and decisions. Personal stories shared by guests underscore the transformative power of listening to intuition and physical cues, leading to healing, self-discovery, and profound insights.

  Wanda Whitaker emphasizes the healing potential of spaces like the Modern Elder Academy, where individuals can share stories, engage in rituals, and connect deeply with others. The episode underscores the value of honoring intuition and physical sensations as guides for personal growth and decision-making, leading to transformative experiences and insights.

  Cassius Johnson shares his personal experiences, what brought him to the Modern Elder Academy and why he wants more Black people to attend the Black Modern Elder Academy Week.

  Time Stamps

  [00:01:16] The Modern Elder Academy- a new way to be an elder

  [00:06:29] The need for a Black Modern Elder Academy.

  [00:14:07] Modern Elder Academy for Black Folks.

  [00:20:29] Black Modern Elder Academy Origins.

  [00:26:41] Diversity and scholarship impact.

  [00:29:00] Ancestral connection through transformational experiences.

  [00:32:46] Creating Courageous Spaces.

  [00:37:13] Feeling safe in Black spaces.

  [00:44:13] Re-commitment to purpose.

  [00:47:09] Healing and transformation.

  [00:52:41] Celebrating identity and diversity.

  [00:54:23] Trusting intuition for safety.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  Dr. Diane J. Johnson has almost 30 years experience in the business, public and social sectors in a multitude of roles. They include change management consultant, trainer and executive coach, program director, evaluator and researcher, fundraiser, communications/pr lead, and organizational culture specialist. Extraordinarily skilled, purpose-driven, highly intuitive and analytical, Dr. Johnson, Ph.D. is CEO and Founder of Mmapeu Organizational Consulting. Mmapeu is a South African name that means "woman who carries ideas." Mmapeu Organizational Consulting, a national consulting firm has trained, consulted and worked with more than 12,500 mission-driven individuals, businesses and organizations.

  Wanda is CEO of Anchored In Spirit, a California based business, helping individuals and groups to transform, transcend and transmute through the arts and sciences. As an author, certified hypnotherapist, visionary artist and Spiritual teacher, educating and advocating for the betterment of society.

  Cassius Johnson is co-founder of Perceptist, a social impact consulting firm that supports non- and for-profit social impact leaders on strategy, innovative operational systems, and change management. Cassius is a purpose-driven strategic leader who finds great joy and meaning in developing strategies that advance solutions that improve life outcomes for the most vulnerable people and communities in our society. He has developed his diverse skills through a career that includes leadership roles in government, philanthropy, and nonprofit and for-profit national organizations focused on increasing impact in education and transition to the workforce.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her for your next DEIB event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

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  Unpacking Identity, Race, and Representation in Crime Fiction A Black Executive Perspective on Race in Corporate America Cancel Culture Unmasking the Dangers of Instant Judgment and Outrage Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>707a0cf5-a375-45c7-a231-be2983926fedMon, 15 Apr 2024 13:47:00 -070057:19falsefull11221221From Guilt to Empowerment: From Guilt to Empowerment: Your Role in Dismantling RacismYour Role in Dismantling Racism

  Are you ready for a conversation on race, power, and Harvard in this Conversation on Race. Why are Black women leaders at Harvard and other institutions being targeted? Simma The Inclusionist, and Deborah Ashton dive deep into the controversial world of diversity, equity, and inclusion at Harvard, shedding light on the power struggles and systemic racism that still plague our society. Find out what is real, and what is witch-hunting in this scandalous attack on Black female leaders.

  Discover the shocking truth behind the attacks on DEI initiatives at Harvard, orchestrated by fear-driven individuals like Christopher Rufo. Uncover the hidden agendas and deliberate efforts to dismantle progress in racial equality, as revealed by Deborah Ashton, co-chair of the DEI committee of Harvard Black Alumni.

  Hear Deborah Ashton's story of living in the projects of Chicago, while attending Harvard, and being told to prove she belonged at academic events.

  Explore the dark underbelly of systemic racism, where power and privilege dictate who belongs and who doesn't. From the struggles of Black women at Harvard to the global impact of racial stereotypes, this episode will challenge your perceptions and ignite a fire for change. Join the conversation as Simma and Deborah unravel the complexities of race, power, and fear at one of the world's most prestigious institutions.

  Tune in now to Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People, for an electrifying discussion that will challenge your beliefs and inspire you to take action. Let's break down barriers, shatter stereotypes, and pave the way for a more inclusive and equitable future. Listen now and be part of the change!

  Time Stamps:

  [00:03:22] The importance of discussing race.

  [00:06:43] Overcoming adversity and education.

  [00:09:03] Understanding poverty in the US.

  [00:14:48] Assumptions based on appearance.

  [00:19:21] Perpetuation of welfare stereotypes.

  [00:23:55] Harvard and racism at play.

  [00:27:24] DEI and hiring practices.

  [00:32:02] Systemic racism against Chinese people.

  [00:36:05] White entitlement in education.

  [00:41:40] The power of propaganda.

  [00:44:21] Diversity and inclusion impact on sales.

  [00:47:48] White power movement for change.

  [00:53:27] Race conversation advice.

  [00:59:02] Impactful theater experiences.

  [01:03:41] Personal experiences on race.

  Dr. Deborah Ashton is a licensed psychologist, has 30+ years of cross-industry experience. Dr. Ashton is a diversity, equity and inclusion strategist. She received her doctorate from Harvard University and studied with Dr. Chester 'Chet' Pierce, who coined the term "microaggression". She headed diversity and inclusion for Medtronic, Darden Restaurants, Harley-Davidson, Novant Health and Argonne National Laboratory. She is the former Chief of Test Development and Validation for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Dr. Ashton specializes in organizational psychology and developing an inclusive workplace. She provides guidance and coaching on how to mitigate unconscious bias in the workplace and in talent management. She has published in the Harvard Business Review, Diversity MBA, Diversity Executive, etc. Her Harvard Business Review articles are Does Race or Gender Matter More to Your Paycheck? and What HR Can Do to Fix the Gender Pay Gap. She chaired the peer review board for the Diversity Business Review, a diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) journal written by DEI practitioners for DEI practitioners, Human Resources and line management. In addition, Dr. Ashton serves as the Chief Psychologist & Learning Officer for Diversity Learning Solutions, part of A P & L Group Brand, along with Diversity MBA.

  Email: drdashton@planetperspective.com LinkedIn

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her for your next DEIB event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

  Instagram

  Facebook

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  Twitter

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  Website

  Previous Episodes

  Unpacking Identity, Race, and Representation in Crime Fiction A Black Executive Perspective on Race in Corporate America Cancel Culture Unmasking the Dangers of Instant Judgment and Outrage Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>

  Are you ready for a conversation on race, power, and Harvard in this Conversation on Race. Why are Black women leaders at Harvard and other institutions being targeted? Simma The Inclusionist, and Deborah Ashton dive deep into the controversial world of diversity, equity, and inclusion at Harvard, shedding light on the power struggles and systemic racism that still plague our society. Find out what is real, and what is witch-hunting in this scandalous attack on Black female leaders.

  Discover the shocking truth behind the attacks on DEI initiatives at Harvard, orchestrated by fear-driven individuals like Christopher Rufo. Uncover the hidden agendas and deliberate efforts to dismantle progress in racial equality, as revealed by Deborah Ashton, co-chair of the DEI committee of Harvard Black Alumni.

  Hear Deborah Ashton's story of living in the projects of Chicago, while attending Harvard, and being told to prove she belonged at academic events.

  Explore the dark underbelly of systemic racism, where power and privilege dictate who belongs and who doesn't. From the struggles of Black women at Harvard to the global impact of racial stereotypes, this episode will challenge your perceptions and ignite a fire for change. Join the conversation as Simma and Deborah unravel the complexities of race, power, and fear at one of the world's most prestigious institutions.

  Tune in now to Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People, for an electrifying discussion that will challenge your beliefs and inspire you to take action. Let's break down barriers, shatter stereotypes, and pave the way for a more inclusive and equitable future. Listen now and be part of the change!

  Time Stamps:

  [00:03:22] The importance of discussing race.

  [00:06:43] Overcoming adversity and education.

  [00:09:03] Understanding poverty in the US.

  [00:14:48] Assumptions based on appearance.

  [00:19:21] Perpetuation of welfare stereotypes.

  [00:23:55] Harvard and racism at play.

  [00:27:24] DEI and hiring practices.

  [00:32:02] Systemic racism against Chinese people.

  [00:36:05] White entitlement in education.

  [00:41:40] The power of propaganda.

  [00:44:21] Diversity and inclusion impact on sales.

  [00:47:48] White power movement for change.

  [00:53:27] Race conversation advice.

  [00:59:02] Impactful theater experiences.

  [01:03:41] Personal experiences on race.

  Dr. Deborah Ashton is a licensed psychologist, has 30+ years of cross-industry experience. Dr. Ashton is a diversity, equity and inclusion strategist. She received her doctorate from Harvard University and studied with Dr. Chester 'Chet' Pierce, who coined the term "microaggression". She headed diversity and inclusion for Medtronic, Darden Restaurants, Harley-Davidson, Novant Health and Argonne National Laboratory. She is the former Chief of Test Development and Validation for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Dr. Ashton specializes in organizational psychology and developing an inclusive workplace. She provides guidance and coaching on how to mitigate unconscious bias in the workplace and in talent management. She has published in the Harvard Business Review, Diversity MBA, Diversity Executive, etc. Her Harvard Business Review articles are Does Race or Gender Matter More to Your Paycheck? and What HR Can Do to Fix the Gender Pay Gap. She chaired the peer review board for the Diversity Business Review, a diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) journal written by DEI practitioners for DEI practitioners, Human Resources and line management. In addition, Dr. Ashton serves as the Chief Psychologist & Learning Officer for Diversity Learning Solutions, part of A P & L Group Brand, along with Diversity MBA.

  Email: drdashton@planetperspective.com LinkedIn

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her for your next DEIB event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

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  Facebook

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  Previous Episodes

  Unpacking Identity, Race, and Representation in Crime Fiction A Black Executive Perspective on Race in Corporate America Cancel Culture Unmasking the Dangers of Instant Judgment and Outrage Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>51b0d0fc-5d5b-41eb-bd01-45394cddf223Tue, 02 Apr 2024 09:28:00 -070001:05:21falsefull11211211Unpacking Identity, Race, and Representation in Crime Fiction In this episode, Simma Lieberman The Inclusionist, interviews Ed Aymar, an award-winning author known for his multicultural crime thrillers. Ed, originally from Panama, shares insights into his background, military upbringing, and how he got into writing. The conversation explores the intersection of race, culture, and storytelling in the context of crime fiction. They discuss Ed Aymar's acclaimed works, such as No Home for Killers and When She Left," highlighting his unique perspective as a multicultural crime thriller writer. Tune in for a thought-provoking discussion on inclusivity and diverse perspectives in literature.

  The increase in multicultural crime thrillers from authors outside the US and also Black, Latino, Asian and Native American in the US continue to make the genre more diverse and exciting.

  Join Simma Lieberman and author Ed Aymar, a Panamanian author of crime thrillers in a captivating conversation about multicultural crime thrillers and the importance of diversity in literature.

  Key Points: • Ed Aymar, an award-winning author of crime thrillers, shares insights into his writing journey and the impact of multiculturalism in crime thrillers. Ed's most recent book, "When She Left," is a must-read for any lover of crime fiction, and especially if you love learning about different cultures. •The discussion in this between Ed Aymar and Simma Lieberman The Inclusionist delves into the representation of diverse characters in literature and the evolving landscape of publishing. • Explore the significance of identity, allyship, and speaking up in today's society through the lens of literature and storytelling. Questions to Consider: • How does literature, play a role in shaping our understanding of diversity and culture? • What impact do diverse characters in books have on readers' perspectives and empathy? • How can we support and amplify voices from underrepresented communities in the literary world?

  Takeaways:

  • Discover the power of multicultural crime thrillers in fostering inclusivity and representation. • Gain insights into the challenges and triumphs of writers of color in the publishing industry. • Explore the evolving dynamics of identity, allyship, and advocacy in literature and beyond.

  Action steps to take in the conversation on race: • Listen to the episode to delve deeper into the conversation on multicultural crime thrillers and diversity in literature. •Share the podcast with friends and family to spark meaningful discussions on race, identity, and representation. • Consider supporting diverse authors and amplifying marginalized voices in the literary world.

  Don't miss out on this engaging episode that sheds light on the importance of multicultural storytelling and the impact of diverse voices in literature. Tune in to gain valuable insights and perspectives on race, identity, and allyship in the world of crime thrillers.

  Key Moments

  00:02:05 - Ed Aymar's Background and Writing Journey 00:03:02 - Multiculturalism in Crime Thrillers 00:04:27 - Accountability in Cultural Representation 00:05:47 - Misidentification and Sensitivity Reading 00:06:10 - The Importance of Belonging and Support Groups 00:07:43 - The Impact of Stereotypes and Publishing Challenges 00:10:27 - Diversity Panels at Writing Conferences and Tokenizing 00:11:09 - Historical Context of Multicultural Crime Writing 00:17:09 - The Debate on Updating Older Books with Racist Content 00:20:27 - The Current State of Diversity and Identity in Literature 00:21:03 - The Controversy Over White Authors Writing Diverse Characters 00:30:05 - The Shift in Publishing Towards Diverse Voices 00:31:10 - The Importance of Diversity in Storytelling

  00:36:06 - The Authenticity of Cultural Representation in Fiction 00:37:38 - The Responsibility of Allies in Promoting Diversity 00:38:07 - Closing Remarks and Call to Action

  Guest bio:

  Multiple Anthony Award–nominated E.A. AYMAR'S thriller No Home for Killers was published to praise from the New York Times, Kirkus Reviews, and South Florida Sun Sentinel and was an instant bestseller. His thriller They're Gone received rave reviews in Publishers Weekly and Kirkus (starred) and was named one of the Best Books Of 2020 by the South Florida Sun Sentinel. He is a former member of the national board of International Thriller Writers and is an active member of Crime Writers of Color and Sisters in Crime. He runs the DC Noir at the Bar series, was born in Panama, and now lives and writes in―and generally about―the DC/MD/VA triangle.

  Aymar also runs a popular and well-regarded newsletter called Crime Fiction Works featuring upcoming top crime fiction novels, interviews, and monthly prizes for subscribers. For more information:

  https://eaymar.substack.com/

  https://www.instagram.com/eaaymar/

  https://www.facebook.com/EAymarWriter

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her for your next DEIB event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

  Instagram

  Facebook

  YouTube

  Twitter

  LinkedIn

  In this episode, Simma Lieberman The Inclusionist, interviews Ed Aymar, an award-winning author known for his multicultural crime thrillers. Ed, originally from Panama, shares insights into his background, military upbringing, and how he got into writing. The conversation explores the intersection of race, culture, and storytelling in the context of crime fiction. They discuss Ed Aymar's acclaimed works, such as No Home for Killers and When She Left," highlighting his unique perspective as a multicultural crime thriller writer. Tune in for a thought-provoking discussion on inclusivity and diverse perspectives in literature.

  The increase in multicultural crime thrillers from authors outside the US and also Black, Latino, Asian and Native American in the US continue to make the genre more diverse and exciting.

  Join Simma Lieberman and author Ed Aymar, a Panamanian author of crime thrillers in a captivating conversation about multicultural crime thrillers and the importance of diversity in literature.

  Key Points: • Ed Aymar, an award-winning author of crime thrillers, shares insights into his writing journey and the impact of multiculturalism in crime thrillers. Ed's most recent book, "When She Left," is a must-read for any lover of crime fiction, and especially if you love learning about different cultures. •The discussion in this between Ed Aymar and Simma Lieberman The Inclusionist delves into the representation of diverse characters in literature and the evolving landscape of publishing. • Explore the significance of identity, allyship, and speaking up in today's society through the lens of literature and storytelling. Questions to Consider: • How does literature, play a role in shaping our understanding of diversity and culture? • What impact do diverse characters in books have on readers' perspectives and empathy? • How can we support and amplify voices from underrepresented communities in the literary world?

  Takeaways:

  • Discover the power of multicultural crime thrillers in fostering inclusivity and representation. • Gain insights into the challenges and triumphs of writers of color in the publishing industry. • Explore the evolving dynamics of identity, allyship, and advocacy in literature and beyond.

  Action steps to take in the conversation on race: • Listen to the episode to delve deeper into the conversation on multicultural crime thrillers and diversity in literature. •Share the podcast with friends and family to spark meaningful discussions on race, identity, and representation. • Consider supporting diverse authors and amplifying marginalized voices in the literary world.

  Don't miss out on this engaging episode that sheds light on the importance of multicultural storytelling and the impact of diverse voices in literature. Tune in to gain valuable insights and perspectives on race, identity, and allyship in the world of crime thrillers.

  Key Moments

  00:02:05 - Ed Aymar's Background and Writing Journey 00:03:02 - Multiculturalism in Crime Thrillers 00:04:27 - Accountability in Cultural Representation 00:05:47 - Misidentification and Sensitivity Reading 00:06:10 - The Importance of Belonging and Support Groups 00:07:43 - The Impact of Stereotypes and Publishing Challenges 00:10:27 - Diversity Panels at Writing Conferences and Tokenizing 00:11:09 - Historical Context of Multicultural Crime Writing 00:17:09 - The Debate on Updating Older Books with Racist Content 00:20:27 - The Current State of Diversity and Identity in Literature 00:21:03 - The Controversy Over White Authors Writing Diverse Characters 00:30:05 - The Shift in Publishing Towards Diverse Voices 00:31:10 - The Importance of Diversity in Storytelling

  00:36:06 - The Authenticity of Cultural Representation in Fiction 00:37:38 - The Responsibility of Allies in Promoting Diversity 00:38:07 - Closing Remarks and Call to Action

  Guest bio:

  Multiple Anthony Award–nominated E.A. AYMAR'S thriller No Home for Killers was published to praise from the New York Times, Kirkus Reviews, and South Florida Sun Sentinel and was an instant bestseller. His thriller They're Gone received rave reviews in Publishers Weekly and Kirkus (starred) and was named one of the Best Books Of 2020 by the South Florida Sun Sentinel. He is a former member of the national board of International Thriller Writers and is an active member of Crime Writers of Color and Sisters in Crime. He runs the DC Noir at the Bar series, was born in Panama, and now lives and writes in―and generally about―the DC/MD/VA triangle.

  Aymar also runs a popular and well-regarded newsletter called Crime Fiction Works featuring upcoming top crime fiction novels, interviews, and monthly prizes for subscribers. For more information:

  https://eaymar.substack.com/

  https://www.instagram.com/eaaymar/

  https://www.facebook.com/EAymarWriter

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her for your next DEIB event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

  Instagram

  Facebook

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  Previous Episodes

  A Black Executive Perspective on Race in Corporate America Cancel Culture Unmasking the Dangers of Instant Judgment and Outrage From Conflict to Compassion: Jewish, Muslim, and Christian Leaders Share Their Perspectives on the Israel-Gaza Crisis Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>22fe1d9a-be88-41c4-a80d-931ed7794363Tue, 12 Mar 2024 09:50:00 -070039:51falsefull11201201A Black Executive Perspective on Race in Corporate AmericaIn this episode of "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People," Simma sits down with Tony Franklin, also known as Tony Tidbit, the Vice President of Advertising, Sales, and Client Partnerships at DirecTV. Tony shares his personal experiences as a Black executive in corporate America and discusses the importance of open and honest conversations about race.

  Simma and Tony discuss the challenges faced by people of color in corporate America, including the pressure to assimilate and the fear of being labeled as "too aggressive." Tony shares a personal story about trying to fit in by dressing and speaking like his white colleagues, only to realize that being himself was the key to his success.

  They also delve into the issues surrounding diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) in the workplace. Tony highlights the resistance some organizations have towards implementing DEI initiatives, often due to unfounded fears of losing something. He emphasizes the need for companies to diversify their ranks and create a safe environment for all employees to thrive.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  The conversation touches on the importance of building emotional connections and breaking down barriers between people of different races. Tony shares his own experience of starting an open conversation on race at work, where employees could share their perspectives and learn from one another. He emphasizes the power of active listening and creating a safe space for dialogue.

  Throughout the episode, Tony and Simma stress the need for individuals to take action and speak up about racial issues. They encourage listeners to step out of their comfort zones, engage in conversations about race, and challenge their own unconscious biases. By doing so, they believe that real change can happen in both corporate America and society as a whole.

  Check out another great podcast on race hosted by my friend and colleague "Tony Franklin aka Tony Tidbit," A Black Executive Perspective

  To listen to more episodes of "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People," visit www.raceconvo.com. And don't forget to share the show with others who are interested in having open and honest conversations about race.

  Takeaways from this episode:

  · Be yourself and embrace your unique talents and personality in the workplace.

  · Managers play a crucial role in creating an inclusive environment and empowering their employees.

  · Diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives are essential for the success of organizations.

  · Building emotional connections and engaging in open conversations about race can break down barriers and foster understanding.

  · Individuals should take action by speaking up, challenging unconscious biases, and actively listening to others.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  Tony Franklin (Tony Tidbit) Bio

  Tony currently serves as Vice President of Advertising Sales and Client Partnerships at DIRECTV, where he brings a wealth of experience to the role, boasting over 27 years in the media industry.

  Motivated by the events surrounding George Floyd, Tony initiated a workplace series titled "An Open Conversation on Race" This initiative provides a safe environment for open and honest discussions, aiming to raise awareness and educate individuals on various aspects of race, particularly within the context of Corporate America.

  Tony is the founder and host (Tony Tidbit) of "A Black Executive Perspective Podcast." A podcast that sheds light on intersectionality, systemic racism, and other challenging issues shrouding the experiences of Black professionals in America's corporate environment. Beyond his professional endeavors, Tony channels his passion for motivation into Tony's Tidbits, a daily inspirational email reaching thousands of recipients nationwide.

  Outside of work, Tony prioritizes quality time with his family. He is happily married to his wife Gayle and is the proud father of three beautiful daughters: Samada, Mikaela, and Madison.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her for your next DEIB event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

  Instagram

  Facebook

  YouTube

  Twitter

  LinkedIn

  Tiktok

  Website

  Previous Episodes

  Cancel Culture Unmasking the Dangers of Instant Judgment and Outrage From Conflict to Compassion: Jewish, Muslim, and Christian Leaders Share Their Perspectives on the Israel-Gaza Crisis Unmasking the Toxicity of Racism: A Raw Conversation with The Contraband Wagon Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>In this episode of "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People," Simma sits down with Tony Franklin, also known as Tony Tidbit, the Vice President of Advertising, Sales, and Client Partnerships at DirecTV. Tony shares his personal experiences as a Black executive in corporate America and discusses the importance of open and honest conversations about race.

  Simma and Tony discuss the challenges faced by people of color in corporate America, including the pressure to assimilate and the fear of being labeled as "too aggressive." Tony shares a personal story about trying to fit in by dressing and speaking like his white colleagues, only to realize that being himself was the key to his success.

  They also delve into the issues surrounding diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) in the workplace. Tony highlights the resistance some organizations have towards implementing DEI initiatives, often due to unfounded fears of losing something. He emphasizes the need for companies to diversify their ranks and create a safe environment for all employees to thrive.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  The conversation touches on the importance of building emotional connections and breaking down barriers between people of different races. Tony shares his own experience of starting an open conversation on race at work, where employees could share their perspectives and learn from one another. He emphasizes the power of active listening and creating a safe space for dialogue.

  Throughout the episode, Tony and Simma stress the need for individuals to take action and speak up about racial issues. They encourage listeners to step out of their comfort zones, engage in conversations about race, and challenge their own unconscious biases. By doing so, they believe that real change can happen in both corporate America and society as a whole.

  Check out another great podcast on race hosted by my friend and colleague "Tony Franklin aka Tony Tidbit," A Black Executive Perspective

  To listen to more episodes of "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People," visit www.raceconvo.com. And don't forget to share the show with others who are interested in having open and honest conversations about race.

  Takeaways from this episode:

  · Be yourself and embrace your unique talents and personality in the workplace.

  · Managers play a crucial role in creating an inclusive environment and empowering their employees.

  · Diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives are essential for the success of organizations.

  · Building emotional connections and engaging in open conversations about race can break down barriers and foster understanding.

  · Individuals should take action by speaking up, challenging unconscious biases, and actively listening to others.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  Tony Franklin (Tony Tidbit) Bio

  Tony currently serves as Vice President of Advertising Sales and Client Partnerships at DIRECTV, where he brings a wealth of experience to the role, boasting over 27 years in the media industry.

  Motivated by the events surrounding George Floyd, Tony initiated a workplace series titled "An Open Conversation on Race" This initiative provides a safe environment for open and honest discussions, aiming to raise awareness and educate individuals on various aspects of race, particularly within the context of Corporate America.

  Tony is the founder and host (Tony Tidbit) of "A Black Executive Perspective Podcast." A podcast that sheds light on intersectionality, systemic racism, and other challenging issues shrouding the experiences of Black professionals in America's corporate environment. Beyond his professional endeavors, Tony channels his passion for motivation into Tony's Tidbits, a daily inspirational email reaching thousands of recipients nationwide.

  Outside of work, Tony prioritizes quality time with his family. He is happily married to his wife Gayle and is the proud father of three beautiful daughters: Samada, Mikaela, and Madison.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her for your next DEIB event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

  Instagram

  Facebook

  YouTube

  Twitter

  LinkedIn

  Tiktok

  Website

  Previous Episodes

  Cancel Culture Unmasking the Dangers of Instant Judgment and Outrage From Conflict to Compassion: Jewish, Muslim, and Christian Leaders Share Their Perspectives on the Israel-Gaza Crisis Unmasking the Toxicity of Racism: A Raw Conversation with The Contraband Wagon Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>fac909f2-d7cd-4fa2-885b-749c317e3784Wed, 07 Feb 2024 13:27:00 -070001:11:21falsefull11191191Cancel Culture Unmasking the Dangers of Instant Judgment and Outrage In this thought-provoking podcast episode, Simma, the Inclusionist, engages in a candid conversation with Patricia Mushim Ikeda, a Japanese-American Buddhist and mindfulness teacher, and Joel Davis Brown, an African-American man who is an author, an organizational development consultant and spoken word artist. Together, they delve into the controversial topic of cancel culture, exploring its impact on society and the importance of fostering dialogue across racial and ideological divides.

  The episode begins by addressing the viral nature of outrage and disgust on social media, which fuels cancel culture. The guests emphasize the need for critical thinking skills and the ability to engage in respectful discourse, rather than resorting to attacking and silencing others. They highlight the importance of recognizing nuance, understanding power dynamics, and promoting empathy in conversations about race and other sensitive topics.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  The conversation also touches on the complexities of cancel culture, including the challenges of determining what is offensive and who gets to decide. The Joel and Mushim share personal anecdotes and examples, highlighting the potential for growth and change when people are open to dialogue and willing to learn from one another. They emphasize the value of embracing diversity, practicing grace, and creating spaces for genuine connection.

  Overall, this episode encourages listeners to challenge the polarizing nature of cancel culture and instead foster a conversational culture that promotes understanding, empathy, and personal growth. It serves as a reminder that by engaging in meaningful dialogue, we can break down barriers, challenge assumptions, and build bridges across differences.

  Key Points:

  ● What is cancel culture? Cancel culture is the act of attacking and ostracizing individuals for their beliefs, actions, or statements, often on social media platforms.

  ● It is characterized by a lack of dialogue, understanding, and empathy, as people quickly dismiss and "cancel" others without giving them a chance to learn, grow, or change.

  ● Cancel culture relies on outrage and disgust, hijacking our brain chemistry and preventing critical thinking and open-mindedness.

  ● Joel Davis Brown and Mushim Ikeda emphasize the need for critical thinking skills, empathy, and open dialogue to combat cancel culture and promote inclusivity.

  ● There is a difference between unintentional errors, mistakes and lack of knowledge, and people who consciously espouse hate in their language, actions, and writing.

  ● Mushim, Joel, and Simma see and have experienced the potential for growth and change in individuals.

  ● Cancel culture can hinder progress toward a more inclusive society by shutting down conversations and alienating individuals who may have the potential to become allies or advocates.

  ● There needs to be allowance for grace, resilience, and empowerment in navigating difficult conversations and promoting understanding across different perspectives.

  ● Simma Lieberman, Joel Davis Brown, and Mushim Ikeda share their own personal stories of saying the "wrong thing," because they didn't have the right information.

  ● They caution against the dangers of focusing on mistakes in specific terminology, instead of addressing the broader issues of systemic inequality and discrimination.

  ● Canceling someone who has made an unintentional error, rather than engaging with that person, asking what they meant, and sharing the impact is lazy. It's an indication of a certain kind of privilege.

  ● Cancel culture can hinder the development of genuine connections and hinder the opportunity for personal growth and learning.

  ● Ultimately we want people to embrace inclusion, compassion, and empathy. That can't happen in an atmosphere of fear, scorn, and "lifelong punishment."

  Takeaway:

  Cancel culture poses a threat to inclusive conversations and understanding. Instead of immediately dismissing and canceling individuals, it is crucial to facilitate open dialogue, empathy, and critical thinking.

  Episode Resources:

  ● WWW.RaceConvo.com - Website to download more episodes of Everyday Conversations on Race and support the show.

  ● The Souls of Queer Folk - Book by Joel Davis Brown.

  ● Adrienne Marie Brown - Author and thought leader on social justice issues.

  ● Chimananda Ngozi Adichie - Nigerian author known for her work on identity and culture.

  ● Disability Pride Movement - Movement promoting pride and acceptance for individuals with disabilities.

  Support the Show:

  In this thought-provoking podcast episode, Simma, the Inclusionist, engages in a candid conversation with Patricia Mushim Ikeda, a Japanese-American Buddhist and mindfulness teacher, and Joel Davis Brown, an African-American man who is an author, an organizational development consultant and spoken word artist. Together, they delve into the controversial topic of cancel culture, exploring its impact on society and the importance of fostering dialogue across racial and ideological divides.

  The episode begins by addressing the viral nature of outrage and disgust on social media, which fuels cancel culture. The guests emphasize the need for critical thinking skills and the ability to engage in respectful discourse, rather than resorting to attacking and silencing others. They highlight the importance of recognizing nuance, understanding power dynamics, and promoting empathy in conversations about race and other sensitive topics.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  The conversation also touches on the complexities of cancel culture, including the challenges of determining what is offensive and who gets to decide. The Joel and Mushim share personal anecdotes and examples, highlighting the potential for growth and change when people are open to dialogue and willing to learn from one another. They emphasize the value of embracing diversity, practicing grace, and creating spaces for genuine connection.

  Overall, this episode encourages listeners to challenge the polarizing nature of cancel culture and instead foster a conversational culture that promotes understanding, empathy, and personal growth. It serves as a reminder that by engaging in meaningful dialogue, we can break down barriers, challenge assumptions, and build bridges across differences.

  Key Points:

  ● What is cancel culture? Cancel culture is the act of attacking and ostracizing individuals for their beliefs, actions, or statements, often on social media platforms.

  ● It is characterized by a lack of dialogue, understanding, and empathy, as people quickly dismiss and "cancel" others without giving them a chance to learn, grow, or change.

  ● Cancel culture relies on outrage and disgust, hijacking our brain chemistry and preventing critical thinking and open-mindedness.

  ● Joel Davis Brown and Mushim Ikeda emphasize the need for critical thinking skills, empathy, and open dialogue to combat cancel culture and promote inclusivity.

  ● There is a difference between unintentional errors, mistakes and lack of knowledge, and people who consciously espouse hate in their language, actions, and writing.

  ● Mushim, Joel, and Simma see and have experienced the potential for growth and change in individuals.

  ● Cancel culture can hinder progress toward a more inclusive society by shutting down conversations and alienating individuals who may have the potential to become allies or advocates.

  ● There needs to be allowance for grace, resilience, and empowerment in navigating difficult conversations and promoting understanding across different perspectives.

  ● Simma Lieberman, Joel Davis Brown, and Mushim Ikeda share their own personal stories of saying the "wrong thing," because they didn't have the right information.

  ● They caution against the dangers of focusing on mistakes in specific terminology, instead of addressing the broader issues of systemic inequality and discrimination.

  ● Canceling someone who has made an unintentional error, rather than engaging with that person, asking what they meant, and sharing the impact is lazy. It's an indication of a certain kind of privilege.

  ● Cancel culture can hinder the development of genuine connections and hinder the opportunity for personal growth and learning.

  ● Ultimately we want people to embrace inclusion, compassion, and empathy. That can't happen in an atmosphere of fear, scorn, and "lifelong punishment."

  Takeaway:

  Cancel culture poses a threat to inclusive conversations and understanding. Instead of immediately dismissing and canceling individuals, it is crucial to facilitate open dialogue, empathy, and critical thinking.

  Episode Resources:

  ● WWW.RaceConvo.com - Website to download more episodes of Everyday Conversations on Race and support the show.

  ● The Souls of Queer Folk - Book by Joel Davis Brown.

  ● Adrienne Marie Brown - Author and thought leader on social justice issues.

  ● Chimananda Ngozi Adichie - Nigerian author known for her work on identity and culture.

  ● Disability Pride Movement - Movement promoting pride and acceptance for individuals with disabilities.

  Support the Show:

  If you enjoyed this episode and want to support the show, visit www.RaceConvo.com to make a tax-deductible donation. Your support will help continue the important conversations on race and inclusion.

  Click here to DONATE and support our podcast

  Connect with the Guests:

  ● Patricia Mushim Ikeda - Third-generation Japanese-American Buddhist and mindfulness teacher. Connect with her on LinkedIn.

  ● Joel Davis Brown - African-American born and raised in the mid-west of the USA. Organizational development consultant and awareness agent. Connect with him on LinkedIn.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her for your next DEIB event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

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  Previous Episodes

  Unmasking the Toxicity of Racism: A Raw Conversation with The Contraband Wagon Confronting the Lack of Diversity in Nonprofit Leadership "From Apartheid to Forgiveness" a Conversation on Race Race, Sentencing, and the Criminal Justice System: A Shocking Inside Perspective A Conversation on Race with Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>1a9386c5-2c4a-40c1-81ec-0c92268160e5Wed, 17 Jan 2024 05:24:00 -070001:05:43falsefull11181181From Conflict to Compassion: Jewish, Muslim, and Christian Leaders Share Their Perspectives on the Israel-Gaza Crisis In this powerful podcast episode, Simma Lieberman interviews three faith leaders from the Faith Trio - Pastor Ben Daniel, Ali Sheikhaslani, and Rabbi David Cooper. Each of these leaders brings a unique perspective and experience to the conversation, making it even more impactful.

  The Faith Trio is a group that aims to foster understanding and empathy among different faith communities. They recognize the increase in Islamophobia and antisemitism in today's world and believe that now, more than ever, it is crucial to come together and combat these prejudices.

  Throughout the episode, the faith leaders share their personal experiences and perspectives on the Israel-Gaza war and other conflicts. They emphasize the importance of compassion and empathy during these challenging times. Rabbi David Cooper highlights the need to know each other on a personal level, stating, "When you know the other, all of a sudden, you're not dealing with some abstract collectivity, you're actually dealing with real human beings."

  Rabbi David talks about his Palestinian and Israeli friends that he has had for years and is concerned for their safety.

  Ali Sheikhaslani discusses the dehumanization that occurs during conflicts and the impact it has on both sides. He emphasizes the importance of recognizing the humanity of all individuals involved and treating them with dignity and respect. Ali also mentions the need for equal rights and understanding, stating, "Unless dignity is given to Palestinians... any foreign solution... will not bring peace." Seeing so many Jewish people speak out in support of a ceasefire is inspiring to Ali and others.

  Pastor Ben Daniel shares his experiences with right-wing Christians who believe in supporting Israel no matter what. He acknowledges the dangers of Christian Zionism and the underlying anti-Semitism that can be present in this ideology. He emphasizes the importance of making peace and letting go of revenge, stating, "You can't fight your way to peace. You have to make peace."

  The speakers also discuss the need for individuals to genuinely feel and understand the pain of both sides involved in a conflict. They argue that it is not enough to simply pay lip service to the suffering of one side. Instead, individuals must truly feel and comprehend the pain to strategically act in a way that supports both sides. This understanding is seen as crucial in bridging the gap of identity and working towards a more inclusive society.

  The faith leaders also provide solutions and action steps for listeners to promote empathy and understanding. They encourage education about different faiths and cultures, engaging in meaningful conversations with people from different backgrounds, and actively challenging stereotypes and prejudices.

  Overall, this episode highlights the importance of compassion and empathy during times of conflict. It sheds light on the experiences and perspectives of these faith leaders and their commitment to promoting understanding and peace. It serves as a reminder that by knowing and empathizing with one another, we can work towards a more inclusive and compassionate world.

  If you want to see a peaceful, lasting solution it's essential to understand the pain of both Israelis and Palestinians.

  Guests Bio

  Ben Daniel has served as pastor and head of staff at Montclair Presbyterian Church since March of 2014.

  Born in Palo Alto and raised in Mendocino, Ben earned his Bachelor of Arts degree with a major in Religious Studies at Westmont College with an emphasis in urban ministry. He received his Master of Divinity degree from Princeton Theological Seminary and was ordained in 1993. Before moving to Oakland, he he served as Pastor/Head of Staff at Foothill Presbyterian Church in San Jose for sixteen years. Prior to that, he spent four years as Pastor of the Community Presbyterian Church in Gonzales, CA.

  David J. Cooper is a co-founder of Kehilla Community Synagogue and is rabbi emeritus there. He is a long-time progressive activist and community organizer. He has studied and taught on many aspects of Judaism and is also a liturgist.

  Ali Sheikholeslami is one of the founders of the Islamic Cultural Center of Northern California (ICCNC), Oakland, CA, and he is currently a member of its Board of Directors. He has been active in the Oakland Faith Trio for many years.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her for your next DEIB event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

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  Facebook

  YouTube

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  Previous Episodes

  Unmasking the Toxicity of Racism: A Raw Conversation with The Contraband Wagon Confronting the Lack of Diversity in Nonprofit Leadership "From Apartheid to Forgiveness" a Conversation on Race Race, Sentencing, and the Criminal Justice System: A Shocking Inside Perspective A Conversation on Race with Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]> In this powerful podcast episode, Simma Lieberman interviews three faith leaders from the Faith Trio - Pastor Ben Daniel, Ali Sheikhaslani, and Rabbi David Cooper. Each of these leaders brings a unique perspective and experience to the conversation, making it even more impactful.

  The Faith Trio is a group that aims to foster understanding and empathy among different faith communities. They recognize the increase in Islamophobia and antisemitism in today's world and believe that now, more than ever, it is crucial to come together and combat these prejudices.

  Throughout the episode, the faith leaders share their personal experiences and perspectives on the Israel-Gaza war and other conflicts. They emphasize the importance of compassion and empathy during these challenging times. Rabbi David Cooper highlights the need to know each other on a personal level, stating, "When you know the other, all of a sudden, you're not dealing with some abstract collectivity, you're actually dealing with real human beings."

  Rabbi David talks about his Palestinian and Israeli friends that he has had for years and is concerned for their safety.

  Ali Sheikhaslani discusses the dehumanization that occurs during conflicts and the impact it has on both sides. He emphasizes the importance of recognizing the humanity of all individuals involved and treating them with dignity and respect. Ali also mentions the need for equal rights and understanding, stating, "Unless dignity is given to Palestinians... any foreign solution... will not bring peace." Seeing so many Jewish people speak out in support of a ceasefire is inspiring to Ali and others.

  Pastor Ben Daniel shares his experiences with right-wing Christians who believe in supporting Israel no matter what. He acknowledges the dangers of Christian Zionism and the underlying anti-Semitism that can be present in this ideology. He emphasizes the importance of making peace and letting go of revenge, stating, "You can't fight your way to peace. You have to make peace."

  The speakers also discuss the need for individuals to genuinely feel and understand the pain of both sides involved in a conflict. They argue that it is not enough to simply pay lip service to the suffering of one side. Instead, individuals must truly feel and comprehend the pain to strategically act in a way that supports both sides. This understanding is seen as crucial in bridging the gap of identity and working towards a more inclusive society.

  The faith leaders also provide solutions and action steps for listeners to promote empathy and understanding. They encourage education about different faiths and cultures, engaging in meaningful conversations with people from different backgrounds, and actively challenging stereotypes and prejudices.

  Overall, this episode highlights the importance of compassion and empathy during times of conflict. It sheds light on the experiences and perspectives of these faith leaders and their commitment to promoting understanding and peace. It serves as a reminder that by knowing and empathizing with one another, we can work towards a more inclusive and compassionate world.

  If you want to see a peaceful, lasting solution it's essential to understand the pain of both Israelis and Palestinians.

  Guests Bio

  Ben Daniel has served as pastor and head of staff at Montclair Presbyterian Church since March of 2014.

  Born in Palo Alto and raised in Mendocino, Ben earned his Bachelor of Arts degree with a major in Religious Studies at Westmont College with an emphasis in urban ministry. He received his Master of Divinity degree from Princeton Theological Seminary and was ordained in 1993. Before moving to Oakland, he he served as Pastor/Head of Staff at Foothill Presbyterian Church in San Jose for sixteen years. Prior to that, he spent four years as Pastor of the Community Presbyterian Church in Gonzales, CA.

  David J. Cooper is a co-founder of Kehilla Community Synagogue and is rabbi emeritus there. He is a long-time progressive activist and community organizer. He has studied and taught on many aspects of Judaism and is also a liturgist.

  Ali Sheikholeslami is one of the founders of the Islamic Cultural Center of Northern California (ICCNC), Oakland, CA, and he is currently a member of its Board of Directors. He has been active in the Oakland Faith Trio for many years.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her for your next DEIB event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

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  Facebook

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  Previous Episodes

  Unmasking the Toxicity of Racism: A Raw Conversation with The Contraband Wagon Confronting the Lack of Diversity in Nonprofit Leadership "From Apartheid to Forgiveness" a Conversation on Race Race, Sentencing, and the Criminal Justice System: A Shocking Inside Perspective A Conversation on Race with Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>9032e1cd-26cd-4b8c-b3f3-f9b09082f39fWed, 20 Dec 2023 17:44:15 -070001:04:28falsefull11171171Unmasking the Toxicity of Racism: A Raw Conversation with The Contraband WagonIn this episode of "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People," Simma Lieberman welcomes her guest Will Upland (also known as Contraband). He is the creator of the show on Twitch, The Contraband Wagon. Listen to this enlightening, personal and often humorous discussion of race, racism and disruptive conversations.

  Will (aka Contraband) recounts times in his young life when he encountered people who tried to discourage his success, and were angry that he, the only young Black man in his class stood above everyone else for his talents and brilliance.

  After feeling frustrated with the discussions on race in mainstream media Will decided to start his own show. Simma and Will (aka Contraband) discuss their shared mission of disrupting the way people talk about race and how to bring people together across racial lines.

  Will shares a powerful story from his childhood that made him conscious of stereotypes and internalized racism.

  At the age of six, he had a conversation with another Black boy who believed that acting "Black" meant being disrespectful, getting bad grades, and being part of a gang. This experience opened his eyes to the impact of racial stereotypes and the struggles that come with them. Listen to this episode to find out what happened when he ran into that same "kid" 25 years later.

  Both Simma and Will emphasize the importance of self-esteem and a strong sense of identity in navigating experiences of racism. You'll hear examples from "The Contraband Wagon," about other Black people with different perspectives on race. You'll also hear stories of how several white people became conscious of race and racism after being in denial.

  Throughout the episode, Simma and Will highlight the need for open and honest conversations about race. They discuss the role of education and awareness in reducing the toxicity of our racial environment. They also emphasize the importance of empathy and understanding, using examples from their personal lives that encourage listeners to approach conversations about race with an open heart and an open mind.

  To take action and engage in conversations about race, Simma The Inclusionist and Contraband suggest the following: Educate yourself: Take the time to learn about the history of racism, systemic oppression, and the experiences of marginalized communities. Read books, listen to podcasts, and engage with diverse perspectives.

  Engage in dialogue: Seek out opportunities to have conversations about race with people from different backgrounds. Listen actively, ask questions, and be open to learning from others' experiences.

  Challenge your own biases: Reflect on your own beliefs and biases. Be willing to confront and unlearn any prejudices you may hold. Engage in self-reflection and actively work towards being anti-racist.

  Join Simma The Inclusionist and Will Upland ( aka Contraband) on their mission to change the conversation on race and create a more inclusive and understanding society. Tune in to The Contraband Wagon on Twitch and engage in their monthly private racism discussion group and book club. Remember, every conversation counts in the fight against racism.

  Guest Bio

  Will Upland, also known as Contraband, is a community college professor and the creator of The Contraband Wagon, where he is changing the conversation on race. After years of frustration watching the conversations on race in media without seeing the kind of dialogue he finds valuable, Contraband decided to create his own platform. He has had over 100 live 2-hour conversations on race and continues to have them regularly on his Twitch channel. He also hosts a monthly private racism discussion group, a book club, and live events that inspire discussion on the subject of race. Contraband hopes to increase knowledge on and awareness of race to reduce the toxicity of our racial environment

  Contact Info: Twitch YouTube MeetUp Twitter Instagram

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her for your next DEIB event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

  Instagram

  Facebook

  YouTube

  Twitter

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  Website

  Previous Episodes

  Confronting the Lack of Diversity in Nonprofit Leadership "From Apartheid to Forgiveness" a Conversation on Race Race, Sentencing, and the Criminal Justice System: A Shocking Inside Perspective A Conversation on Race with Sean Wilson, Organizing Director of Dream.Org Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>In this episode of "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People," Simma Lieberman welcomes her guest Will Upland (also known as Contraband). He is the creator of the show on Twitch, The Contraband Wagon. Listen to this enlightening, personal and often humorous discussion of race, racism and disruptive conversations.

  Will (aka Contraband) recounts times in his young life when he encountered people who tried to discourage his success, and were angry that he, the only young Black man in his class stood above everyone else for his talents and brilliance.

  After feeling frustrated with the discussions on race in mainstream media Will decided to start his own show. Simma and Will (aka Contraband) discuss their shared mission of disrupting the way people talk about race and how to bring people together across racial lines.

  Will shares a powerful story from his childhood that made him conscious of stereotypes and internalized racism.

  At the age of six, he had a conversation with another Black boy who believed that acting "Black" meant being disrespectful, getting bad grades, and being part of a gang. This experience opened his eyes to the impact of racial stereotypes and the struggles that come with them. Listen to this episode to find out what happened when he ran into that same "kid" 25 years later.

  Both Simma and Will emphasize the importance of self-esteem and a strong sense of identity in navigating experiences of racism. You'll hear examples from "The Contraband Wagon," about other Black people with different perspectives on race. You'll also hear stories of how several white people became conscious of race and racism after being in denial.

  Throughout the episode, Simma and Will highlight the need for open and honest conversations about race. They discuss the role of education and awareness in reducing the toxicity of our racial environment. They also emphasize the importance of empathy and understanding, using examples from their personal lives that encourage listeners to approach conversations about race with an open heart and an open mind.

  To take action and engage in conversations about race, Simma The Inclusionist and Contraband suggest the following: Educate yourself: Take the time to learn about the history of racism, systemic oppression, and the experiences of marginalized communities. Read books, listen to podcasts, and engage with diverse perspectives.

  Engage in dialogue: Seek out opportunities to have conversations about race with people from different backgrounds. Listen actively, ask questions, and be open to learning from others' experiences.

  Challenge your own biases: Reflect on your own beliefs and biases. Be willing to confront and unlearn any prejudices you may hold. Engage in self-reflection and actively work towards being anti-racist.

  Join Simma The Inclusionist and Will Upland ( aka Contraband) on their mission to change the conversation on race and create a more inclusive and understanding society. Tune in to The Contraband Wagon on Twitch and engage in their monthly private racism discussion group and book club. Remember, every conversation counts in the fight against racism.

  Guest Bio

  Will Upland, also known as Contraband, is a community college professor and the creator of The Contraband Wagon, where he is changing the conversation on race. After years of frustration watching the conversations on race in media without seeing the kind of dialogue he finds valuable, Contraband decided to create his own platform. He has had over 100 live 2-hour conversations on race and continues to have them regularly on his Twitch channel. He also hosts a monthly private racism discussion group, a book club, and live events that inspire discussion on the subject of race. Contraband hopes to increase knowledge on and awareness of race to reduce the toxicity of our racial environment

  Contact Info: Twitch YouTube MeetUp Twitter Instagram

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com to get more information, book her for your next DEIB event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

  Instagram

  Facebook

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  Twitter

  LinkedIn

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  Website

  Previous Episodes

  Confronting the Lack of Diversity in Nonprofit Leadership "From Apartheid to Forgiveness" a Conversation on Race Race, Sentencing, and the Criminal Justice System: A Shocking Inside Perspective A Conversation on Race with Sean Wilson, Organizing Director of Dream.Org Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating]]>f23f7801-64da-407d-853a-c7482f143edfSun, 10 Dec 2023 13:23:08 -070001:12:32falsefull11161161Confronting the Lack of Diversity in Nonprofit Leadership

  In this conversation on race, Simma The Inclusionist talks with Kristen Sharpe, CEO of Non-profit Makeover, and Deedee De La Cruz, Director of Demand Generation for GiveSmart.

  Why is there a lack of diversity in leadership roles within nonprofit organizations? Our two guests shed light on the reason that less than 20% of executive positions are held by people of color nonprofits.

  Kristen Sharpe and Deedee De La Cruz, acknowledge the historical overrepresentation of white individuals in nonprofit leadership positions. There is an urgent need for greater diversity in these roles, particularly considering that many nonprofits serve people of color and low-income communities. The lack of diversity in leadership can lead to a lack of representation, support, and mentorship for CEOs of color. The episode raises the question of how nonprofits can prioritize diversity within leadership roles and suggests that providing people of color with a seat at the table, opportunities to serve, and a platform for their voices and ideas can help address this issue.

  Both Kristen and Deedee share their personal journeys as women of color and how they achieved their high level of success in the non-profit world when neither of them came from business backgrounds. They also share how race and their economic backgrounds influenced the decisions they made to reach their goals.

  Both women tell stories of how they dealt with "Imposter Syndrome," and offer solutions for other women, specifically women of color who may be experiencing the same.

  They emphasize the importance of adopting a mindset that recognizes an abundance of wealth and opportunity. Kristen Sharpe challenges the prevailing belief in the nonprofit world that resources are scarce and insufficient to support multiple causes and organizations. Using the analogy of restaurants, she highlights the existence of numerous different establishments in every community, catering to different interests and preferences. Similarly, she argues that individuals can support multiple causes and organizations, just as they can donate to both the St. Jude's Foundation and organizations that support children in foster care.

  Kristen and Deedee both aim to empower nonprofit leaders of color to raise money on autopilot using technology and social media. By sharing opportunities and fostering conversations within the community, they both believe that everyone can contribute to philanthropic efforts and collectively make a difference. She challenges the notion that access to resources and opportunities is limited, emphasizing that there is ample room for collaboration and support across various causes and organizations.

  Deedee and Kristen both discuss the importance of leveraging technology, specifically GiveSmart, to bridge the gap and revolutionize nonprofit operations. She emphasizes that nonprofits unfamiliar with technology may be missing out on valuable opportunities. By partnering with GiveSmart, nonprofits can learn how to effectively utilize technology and maximize its potential.

  Kristen utilized technology, including GiveSmart, to raise over a quarter million dollars during the pandemic. She emphasizes that this achievement was accomplished without traditional methods such as ads, events, mailers, or galas. This success demonstrates the power of technology in enabling nonprofits to raise funds on autopilot.

  Time Stamps

  [00:02:27] Why talking about race is important. [00:04:24] Nonprofit leadership diversity. [00:09:32] Lack of diversity in nonprofits. [00:13:29] Generational self-confidence. [00:16:34] Community building and peer-to-peer fundraising. [00:21:30] Personal background and scholarship impact. [00:24:48] Community Brands and GiveSmart. [00:30:13] Nonprofit and technology partnership. [00:32:39] Bridging the gap in philanthropy. [00:36:19] Nonprofit diversity in leadership. [00:40:01] Lack of diversity in philanthropy. [00:44:11] Education as a privilege. [00:49:32] Non-traditional routes to success. [00:54:46] What's on your playlist? [00:57:54] Overcoming imposter syndrome. [01:00:20] Donate button and tax deductible donation.

  Guest Bio

  Kristen Faith Sharpe is a powerhouse entrepreneur, an American Red Cross humanitarian Award Winner, philanthropist, and renowned domestic violence expert. For more than a decade, millions have been inspired by her strength, resilience, and groundbreaking initiatives to create social change online. This California native is the founder and visionary of multiple reputable brands and nonprofits that include Break the Silence Against Domestic Violence, The Nonprofit Makeover, and Boss Babe Networking.

  Deedee De La Cruz is the Senior Manager of Demand Generation at GiveSmart, the leading provider of cloud-based software to donor-driven organizations like nonprofits, charities, schools and foundations. Instagram: @givesmart_us

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

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  Previous Episodes

  "From Apartheid to Forgiveness" a Conversation on Race Race, Sentencing, and the Criminal Justice System: A Shocking Inside Perspective A Conversation on Race with Sean Wilson, Organizing Director of Dream.Org Everyday Conversation on Race with Rosalyn Taylor O'Neale (DEI OG for 47 years)

  Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating

  ]]>

  In this conversation on race, Simma The Inclusionist talks with Kristen Sharpe, CEO of Non-profit Makeover, and Deedee De La Cruz, Director of Demand Generation for GiveSmart.

  Why is there a lack of diversity in leadership roles within nonprofit organizations? Our two guests shed light on the reason that less than 20% of executive positions are held by people of color nonprofits.

  Kristen Sharpe and Deedee De La Cruz, acknowledge the historical overrepresentation of white individuals in nonprofit leadership positions. There is an urgent need for greater diversity in these roles, particularly considering that many nonprofits serve people of color and low-income communities. The lack of diversity in leadership can lead to a lack of representation, support, and mentorship for CEOs of color. The episode raises the question of how nonprofits can prioritize diversity within leadership roles and suggests that providing people of color with a seat at the table, opportunities to serve, and a platform for their voices and ideas can help address this issue.

  Both Kristen and Deedee share their personal journeys as women of color and how they achieved their high level of success in the non-profit world when neither of them came from business backgrounds. They also share how race and their economic backgrounds influenced the decisions they made to reach their goals.

  Both women tell stories of how they dealt with "Imposter Syndrome," and offer solutions for other women, specifically women of color who may be experiencing the same.

  They emphasize the importance of adopting a mindset that recognizes an abundance of wealth and opportunity. Kristen Sharpe challenges the prevailing belief in the nonprofit world that resources are scarce and insufficient to support multiple causes and organizations. Using the analogy of restaurants, she highlights the existence of numerous different establishments in every community, catering to different interests and preferences. Similarly, she argues that individuals can support multiple causes and organizations, just as they can donate to both the St. Jude's Foundation and organizations that support children in foster care.

  Kristen and Deedee both aim to empower nonprofit leaders of color to raise money on autopilot using technology and social media. By sharing opportunities and fostering conversations within the community, they both believe that everyone can contribute to philanthropic efforts and collectively make a difference. She challenges the notion that access to resources and opportunities is limited, emphasizing that there is ample room for collaboration and support across various causes and organizations.

  Deedee and Kristen both discuss the importance of leveraging technology, specifically GiveSmart, to bridge the gap and revolutionize nonprofit operations. She emphasizes that nonprofits unfamiliar with technology may be missing out on valuable opportunities. By partnering with GiveSmart, nonprofits can learn how to effectively utilize technology and maximize its potential.

  Kristen utilized technology, including GiveSmart, to raise over a quarter million dollars during the pandemic. She emphasizes that this achievement was accomplished without traditional methods such as ads, events, mailers, or galas. This success demonstrates the power of technology in enabling nonprofits to raise funds on autopilot.

  Time Stamps

  [00:02:27] Why talking about race is important. [00:04:24] Nonprofit leadership diversity. [00:09:32] Lack of diversity in nonprofits. [00:13:29] Generational self-confidence. [00:16:34] Community building and peer-to-peer fundraising. [00:21:30] Personal background and scholarship impact. [00:24:48] Community Brands and GiveSmart. [00:30:13] Nonprofit and technology partnership. [00:32:39] Bridging the gap in philanthropy. [00:36:19] Nonprofit diversity in leadership. [00:40:01] Lack of diversity in philanthropy. [00:44:11] Education as a privilege. [00:49:32] Non-traditional routes to success. [00:54:46] What's on your playlist? [00:57:54] Overcoming imposter syndrome. [01:00:20] Donate button and tax deductible donation.

  Guest Bio

  Kristen Faith Sharpe is a powerhouse entrepreneur, an American Red Cross humanitarian Award Winner, philanthropist, and renowned domestic violence expert. For more than a decade, millions have been inspired by her strength, resilience, and groundbreaking initiatives to create social change online. This California native is the founder and visionary of multiple reputable brands and nonprofits that include Break the Silence Against Domestic Violence, The Nonprofit Makeover, and Boss Babe Networking.

  Deedee De La Cruz is the Senior Manager of Demand Generation at GiveSmart, the leading provider of cloud-based software to donor-driven organizations like nonprofits, charities, schools and foundations. Instagram: @givesmart_us

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

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  Previous Episodes

  "From Apartheid to Forgiveness" a Conversation on Race Race, Sentencing, and the Criminal Justice System: A Shocking Inside Perspective A Conversation on Race with Sean Wilson, Organizing Director of Dream.Org Everyday Conversation on Race with Rosalyn Taylor O'Neale (DEI OG for 47 years)

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  ]]>a8f42fc3-afc0-4680-9694-c65e5aa5c3fcThu, 16 Nov 2023 14:19:00 -070001:00:05falsefull11151151"From Apartheid to Forgiveness" a Conversation on Race If you were a Black man imprisoned and tortured for fighting against the brutality of apartheid in South Africa, could you forgive your oppressors? Siya Twani did just that. This is a don't miss episode. We all need to hear his story. It is especially relevant today with the slaughter of over 1,000 Israelis and the continued bombing and killing of over 1,000 Palestinians in Gaza.

  In this episode, Simma, the Inclusionist, welcomes guest Siya Twani, who grew up under South African apartheid and became a freedom fighter with Nelson Mandela. Siya shares his experiences of imprisonment and torture, which ultimately led him to speak on reconciliation, forgiveness, and mental toughness. The conversation explores the importance of discussing race within the context of apartheid and the impact of racial trauma on Black children. Tune in to gain insights from Siya's powerful story and his perspective on race.

  Siya's story is a testament to the resilience of the human spirit and the power of forgiveness. He emphasizes the importance of addressing racial trauma and healing the wounds caused by racism. Siya challenges the notion that talking about race is unnecessary, reminding us that those who experience racism daily are tired of living with it.

  The conversation delves into the history of apartheid in South Africa, shedding light on the extreme racial discrimination and inhumane treatment endured by black, Asian, and colored people. Siya highlights the stark contrast between the privileged lives of white South Africans and the poverty and oppression faced by the majority.

  Siya's involvement in the liberation movement and his time in prison shaped his mission to promote reconciliation and empower others to move from victimhood to empowerment. He shares his personal process of forgiveness, acknowledging that it was not easy but necessary for his own healing and liberation. Siya believes that forgiveness is a powerful tool for personal growth and transformation.

  The episode also explores the concept of reconciliation and the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in South Africa. Siya acknowledges that while it was a step towards healing, it did not fully address the systemic injustices and inequalities that persist in the country.

  Siya's work as an international speaker focuses on promoting justice, equality, and difficult conversations. He encourages education, engagement, and building healthy human connections across racial and cultural lines. Siya's message is one of hope and the belief that change is possible when we confront our biases, challenge the status quo, and work towards a more inclusive and equitable world.

  Don't miss this thought-provoking episode with Siya Twani, a true freedom fighter and advocate for reconciliation. His story will inspire and challenge you to examine your own beliefs and take action towards a more just and inclusive society.

  This episode should make us stop and ask ourselves, "what kind of world do we want to live in?" Are we willing to act from love, and kindness or do we want to live in hate, revenge, `and continuous death?

  Visit www.siyatwani.com to learn more about Siya and his work.

  Guest Bio

  Siya Twani is a South African Global Citizen with a passion to add value to people. A Passionate Educator, Mr Motivator and Inspirational Speaker.

  Siya Twani grew up in Cape Town in the 60s and 70s and experienced first-hand the pain of racism and discrimination. He was committed to the struggle and spent time in prison aged 17 for this commitment.

  He now lives in England and visits schools/ colleges/Universities and companies as a Motivational and Inspirational speaker to talk about his own experiences and lead workshops on a variety of themes

  "Siya, You are truly a wonderful person who inspired us all and brought us all closer to a better understanding of humanity. You have such a remarkable and powerful story to share with the world which is not one of anger nor bitterness but one of love and a desire to bring people together… you have touched all of our lives." Teacher (Tendring Primary)

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

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  Facebook

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  Previous Episodes

  Race, Sentencing, and the Criminal Justice System: A Shocking Inside Perspective A Conversation on Race with Sean Wilson, Organizing Director of Dream.Org Everyday Conversation on Race with Rosalyn Taylor O'Neale (DEI OG for 47 years) Breaking the Chains: Fighting Caste Oppression with Thenmozhi Soundararajan

  Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating

  ]]> If you were a Black man imprisoned and tortured for fighting against the brutality of apartheid in South Africa, could you forgive your oppressors? Siya Twani did just that. This is a don't miss episode. We all need to hear his story. It is especially relevant today with the slaughter of over 1,000 Israelis and the continued bombing and killing of over 1,000 Palestinians in Gaza.

  In this episode, Simma, the Inclusionist, welcomes guest Siya Twani, who grew up under South African apartheid and became a freedom fighter with Nelson Mandela. Siya shares his experiences of imprisonment and torture, which ultimately led him to speak on reconciliation, forgiveness, and mental toughness. The conversation explores the importance of discussing race within the context of apartheid and the impact of racial trauma on Black children. Tune in to gain insights from Siya's powerful story and his perspective on race.

  Siya's story is a testament to the resilience of the human spirit and the power of forgiveness. He emphasizes the importance of addressing racial trauma and healing the wounds caused by racism. Siya challenges the notion that talking about race is unnecessary, reminding us that those who experience racism daily are tired of living with it.

  The conversation delves into the history of apartheid in South Africa, shedding light on the extreme racial discrimination and inhumane treatment endured by black, Asian, and colored people. Siya highlights the stark contrast between the privileged lives of white South Africans and the poverty and oppression faced by the majority.

  Siya's involvement in the liberation movement and his time in prison shaped his mission to promote reconciliation and empower others to move from victimhood to empowerment. He shares his personal process of forgiveness, acknowledging that it was not easy but necessary for his own healing and liberation. Siya believes that forgiveness is a powerful tool for personal growth and transformation.

  The episode also explores the concept of reconciliation and the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in South Africa. Siya acknowledges that while it was a step towards healing, it did not fully address the systemic injustices and inequalities that persist in the country.

  Siya's work as an international speaker focuses on promoting justice, equality, and difficult conversations. He encourages education, engagement, and building healthy human connections across racial and cultural lines. Siya's message is one of hope and the belief that change is possible when we confront our biases, challenge the status quo, and work towards a more inclusive and equitable world.

  Don't miss this thought-provoking episode with Siya Twani, a true freedom fighter and advocate for reconciliation. His story will inspire and challenge you to examine your own beliefs and take action towards a more just and inclusive society.

  This episode should make us stop and ask ourselves, "what kind of world do we want to live in?" Are we willing to act from love, and kindness or do we want to live in hate, revenge, `and continuous death?

  Visit www.siyatwani.com to learn more about Siya and his work.

  Guest Bio

  Siya Twani is a South African Global Citizen with a passion to add value to people. A Passionate Educator, Mr Motivator and Inspirational Speaker.

  Siya Twani grew up in Cape Town in the 60s and 70s and experienced first-hand the pain of racism and discrimination. He was committed to the struggle and spent time in prison aged 17 for this commitment.

  He now lives in England and visits schools/ colleges/Universities and companies as a Motivational and Inspirational speaker to talk about his own experiences and lead workshops on a variety of themes

  "Siya, You are truly a wonderful person who inspired us all and brought us all closer to a better understanding of humanity. You have such a remarkable and powerful story to share with the world which is not one of anger nor bitterness but one of love and a desire to bring people together… you have touched all of our lives." Teacher (Tendring Primary)

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

  Instagram

  Facebook

  YouTube

  Twitter

  LinkedIn

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  Website

  Previous Episodes

  Race, Sentencing, and the Criminal Justice System: A Shocking Inside Perspective A Conversation on Race with Sean Wilson, Organizing Director of Dream.Org Everyday Conversation on Race with Rosalyn Taylor O'Neale (DEI OG for 47 years) Breaking the Chains: Fighting Caste Oppression with Thenmozhi Soundararajan

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  ]]>e7333839-908e-4a69-a827-59a3a3766374Fri, 20 Oct 2023 14:56:43 -070051:29falsefull11141141Race, Sentencing, and the Criminal Justice System: A Shocking Inside Perspective A Conversation on Race with Sean Wilson, Organizing Director of Dream.OrgIn this episode, Simma The Inclusionist, is joined by Sean Wilson, the organizing director of Dream.org's Justice Team. With 17 years of lived experience and direct involvement with the criminal legal system, Sean brings insight into a system that he believes is broken and in need of reform. They discuss the importance of talking about race, especially in a society where some are trying to criminalize almost everything. Tune in to gain a deeper understanding of the role of race in America's history.

  Time Stamps

  [00:02:13] Sweeping race conversations under the rug [00:06:03] Internal transformation in prison [00:09:22] Racial disparities in sentencing [00:14:17] Disparities in drug sentencing [00:19:22] Sentencing and racial identity [00:27:35] Systemic racism and incarceration [00:29:14] Challenging the criminal legal system [00:35:27] Systemic racism in criminal justice [00:43:12] Black codes in the criminal legal system [00:45:10] Racism in the criminal justice system [00:49:00] Country music and rap fusion [00:53:42] Show notes available for download

  Simma interviews Sean Wilson, the organizing director of Dream.org's Justice Team, who shares his deeply personal experience with the criminal justice system and the impact of systemic racism. Sean, who was born and raised in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, opens up about his troubled youth, including getting involved in criminal activities such as selling drugs and committing armed robbery.

  At the age of 17, Sean was arrested and sentenced to 50 years in prison for his crimes. He reflects on the harshness of his sentence, questioning how a judge could sentence a young boy to the same amount of time he had lived on this earth. Sean highlights the racial disparities within the criminal justice system, emphasizing that Black and Brown individuals are often given much harsher sentences compared to their white counterparts for similar offenses.

  He discusses the historical roots of systemic racism in the criminal justice system, tracing back to the 13th Amendment and the implementation of Black codes, which restricted the freedom of African Americans and perpetuated a form of slavery through convict leasing. Sean emphasizes that these discriminatory practices continue to target Black and Brown people, leading to disproportionate rates of incarceration.

  Sean also addresses the issue of racial bias in sentencing, where black individuals are more likely to receive longer sentences compared to white individuals for the same offenses. He highlights the need for judges and prosecutors to view individuals before them as human beings deserving of grace, understanding, and the opportunity for redemption.

  As the organizing director of Dream.org's Justice Team, Sean is dedicated to closing prison doors and opening doors of opportunity. The organization works in three issue areas: climate justice, tech equity for Black and Brown people, and criminal justice reform. Sean's role involves training and building up leaders to advocate for transformational legislation that will reduce mass incarceration.

  In terms of recommended resources, Sean suggests reading "The New Jim Crow" by Michelle Alexander, which provides a comprehensive analysis of the racial disparities within the criminal justice system. He also recommends "Better Not Bitter" by Yusuf Salaam, one of the Central Park Five, who shares his personal journey of transformation and resilience after being wrongfully convicted.

  For those interested in gaining a deeper understanding of the criminal justice system, Sean suggests watching the HBO documentary "Growing Up Milwaukee," which follows the lives of young individuals assigned mentors, including Sean, who share their stories to deter them from a life of crime. He also recommends the documentary "13th," which explores the history and impact of mass incarceration in America.

  To connect with Sean and learn more about Dream.org's work, you can reach out to him via email at seanwilson@dream.org or follow him on social media platforms such as LinkedIn (Sean Wilson) and Facebook. You can also visit the Dream.org website and follow the organization on Instagram and Facebook for updates and information on their initiatives.

  This episode sheds light on Sean Wilson's personal experience with race and the criminal justice system and highlights the urgent need for systemic change to address racial disparities and promote justice and equality for all.

  Key Takeaways:

  1. Systemic racism is deeply rooted in the criminal justice system, leading to racial disparities in sentencing and treatment.

  2. Black individuals are often subjected to harsher sentences and less leniency compared to their white counterparts for similar offenses.

  3. The criminal justice system perpetuates harm and fails to provide opportunities for redemption and rehabilitation.

  4. Advocacy and reform efforts are crucial to address the systemic racism within the criminal justice system.

  5. Open and honest conversations about race are necessary to bring about meaningful change and find common ground for solutions.

  
  

  To learn more about Sean Wilson and his work, visit the Dream.org website and follow him on social media platforms such as LinkedIn and Facebook. Additional resources mentioned include the book "The New Jim Crow" by Michelle Alexander and the documentaries "Growing Up Milwaukee" and "13th."

  Guest Bio

  Sean is the Organizing Director at Dream Corps. As someone with 17 years of lived experience and direct involvement with the criminal legal system, Sean brings an advantage and insight into a system he believes to be broken and in need of reform. Before joining the Dream Corps JUSTICE team, Sean was the ACLU of Wisconsin's Smart Justice Campaign Manager, where he managed the campaign to reform probation and parole. In addition, he also serves as a commissioner on the Governor's Juvenile Justice Commission (GJJC), a State Advisory Group (SAG) that advises the DOJ on its juvenile justice programs and funding decisions and serves as an independent forum to discuss juvenile justice policy issues.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

  Instagram

  Facebook

  YouTube

  Twitter

  LinkedIn

  Tiktok

  Website

  Previous Episodes

  Everyday Conversation on Race with Rosalyn Taylor O'Neale (DEI OG for 47 years) Breaking the Chains: Fighting Caste Oppression with Thenmozhi Soundararajan Breaking Barriers: John Blake on Racial Reconciliation

  Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating

  ]]>In this episode, Simma The Inclusionist, is joined by Sean Wilson, the organizing director of Dream.org's Justice Team. With 17 years of lived experience and direct involvement with the criminal legal system, Sean brings insight into a system that he believes is broken and in need of reform. They discuss the importance of talking about race, especially in a society where some are trying to criminalize almost everything. Tune in to gain a deeper understanding of the role of race in America's history.

  Time Stamps

  [00:02:13] Sweeping race conversations under the rug [00:06:03] Internal transformation in prison [00:09:22] Racial disparities in sentencing [00:14:17] Disparities in drug sentencing [00:19:22] Sentencing and racial identity [00:27:35] Systemic racism and incarceration [00:29:14] Challenging the criminal legal system [00:35:27] Systemic racism in criminal justice [00:43:12] Black codes in the criminal legal system [00:45:10] Racism in the criminal justice system [00:49:00] Country music and rap fusion [00:53:42] Show notes available for download

  Simma interviews Sean Wilson, the organizing director of Dream.org's Justice Team, who shares his deeply personal experience with the criminal justice system and the impact of systemic racism. Sean, who was born and raised in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, opens up about his troubled youth, including getting involved in criminal activities such as selling drugs and committing armed robbery.

  At the age of 17, Sean was arrested and sentenced to 50 years in prison for his crimes. He reflects on the harshness of his sentence, questioning how a judge could sentence a young boy to the same amount of time he had lived on this earth. Sean highlights the racial disparities within the criminal justice system, emphasizing that Black and Brown individuals are often given much harsher sentences compared to their white counterparts for similar offenses.

  He discusses the historical roots of systemic racism in the criminal justice system, tracing back to the 13th Amendment and the implementation of Black codes, which restricted the freedom of African Americans and perpetuated a form of slavery through convict leasing. Sean emphasizes that these discriminatory practices continue to target Black and Brown people, leading to disproportionate rates of incarceration.

  Sean also addresses the issue of racial bias in sentencing, where black individuals are more likely to receive longer sentences compared to white individuals for the same offenses. He highlights the need for judges and prosecutors to view individuals before them as human beings deserving of grace, understanding, and the opportunity for redemption.

  As the organizing director of Dream.org's Justice Team, Sean is dedicated to closing prison doors and opening doors of opportunity. The organization works in three issue areas: climate justice, tech equity for Black and Brown people, and criminal justice reform. Sean's role involves training and building up leaders to advocate for transformational legislation that will reduce mass incarceration.

  In terms of recommended resources, Sean suggests reading "The New Jim Crow" by Michelle Alexander, which provides a comprehensive analysis of the racial disparities within the criminal justice system. He also recommends "Better Not Bitter" by Yusuf Salaam, one of the Central Park Five, who shares his personal journey of transformation and resilience after being wrongfully convicted.

  For those interested in gaining a deeper understanding of the criminal justice system, Sean suggests watching the HBO documentary "Growing Up Milwaukee," which follows the lives of young individuals assigned mentors, including Sean, who share their stories to deter them from a life of crime. He also recommends the documentary "13th," which explores the history and impact of mass incarceration in America.

  To connect with Sean and learn more about Dream.org's work, you can reach out to him via email at seanwilson@dream.org or follow him on social media platforms such as LinkedIn (Sean Wilson) and Facebook. You can also visit the Dream.org website and follow the organization on Instagram and Facebook for updates and information on their initiatives.

  This episode sheds light on Sean Wilson's personal experience with race and the criminal justice system and highlights the urgent need for systemic change to address racial disparities and promote justice and equality for all.

  Key Takeaways:

  1. Systemic racism is deeply rooted in the criminal justice system, leading to racial disparities in sentencing and treatment.

  2. Black individuals are often subjected to harsher sentences and less leniency compared to their white counterparts for similar offenses.

  3. The criminal justice system perpetuates harm and fails to provide opportunities for redemption and rehabilitation.

  4. Advocacy and reform efforts are crucial to address the systemic racism within the criminal justice system.

  5. Open and honest conversations about race are necessary to bring about meaningful change and find common ground for solutions.

  
  

  To learn more about Sean Wilson and his work, visit the Dream.org website and follow him on social media platforms such as LinkedIn and Facebook. Additional resources mentioned include the book "The New Jim Crow" by Michelle Alexander and the documentaries "Growing Up Milwaukee" and "13th."

  Guest Bio

  Sean is the Organizing Director at Dream Corps. As someone with 17 years of lived experience and direct involvement with the criminal legal system, Sean brings an advantage and insight into a system he believes to be broken and in need of reform. Before joining the Dream Corps JUSTICE team, Sean was the ACLU of Wisconsin's Smart Justice Campaign Manager, where he managed the campaign to reform probation and parole. In addition, he also serves as a commissioner on the Governor's Juvenile Justice Commission (GJJC), a State Advisory Group (SAG) that advises the DOJ on its juvenile justice programs and funding decisions and serves as an independent forum to discuss juvenile justice policy issues.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

  Instagram

  Facebook

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  Previous Episodes

  Everyday Conversation on Race with Rosalyn Taylor O'Neale (DEI OG for 47 years) Breaking the Chains: Fighting Caste Oppression with Thenmozhi Soundararajan Breaking Barriers: John Blake on Racial Reconciliation

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  ]]>d230c622-b82c-4623-aef3-253cf6f9a284Mon, 25 Sep 2023 10:45:43 -070053:57falsefull11131131Everyday Conversation on Race with Rosalyn Taylor O'Neale (DEI OG for 47 years)In this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, I interview Rosalyn Taylor O'Neill, a highly regarded diversity and inclusion thought leader. Rosalyn shares her experiences as the former Chief Diversity Officer at Campbell's Soup Company and Executive VP of Diversity Initiatives for MTV Network. She has received numerous accolades and awards for her work, including being named one of the top 100 most influential Blacks in corporate America and one of the top executives in diversity, and one of most influential LGBTQ people that year. With 47 years of experience, and never backing down, no matter who challenged her, Rosalyn has a lot to say and share. You want to hear this conversation on race.

  In this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, Diversity, Equity and Inclusion pioneer Rosalyn Taylor O'Neale emphasizes the importance of learning how to discuss race and navigate through discomfort in order to address racial disparities in every area.

  Rosalyn acknowledges that talking about race can be uncomfortable and may cause anxiety, as people may fear making mistakes or offending others, but they are necessary in order to learn and grow.

  One example is the significance of discussing race with healthcare professionals. Rosalyn explains that if a doctor is not comfortable talking about race, it can create issues for patients, particularly those from racial minority groups. She mentions that rashes may appear differently on the skin of different races. Therefore, it is crucial for doctors to be aware of these differences and for patients to be able to communicate their specific needs and concerns related to race.

  Rosalyn highlights the importance of discussing race in society as a whole if we want to survive. She says that in her town, seeing a Black person is still a rarity, indicating the lack of racial diversity. This lack of exposure and understanding can perpetuate stereotypes and biases. By engaging in conversations about race, individuals can challenge these stereotypes and learn from one another's experiences.

  She emphasizes that it is not enough to simply listen and sympathize with someone's experiences. You must take action and support them in practical ways if you are anti-racist. Merely expressing sympathy or feeling bad for someone does not bring about any real change or alleviate their situation.

  Rosalyn shares personal examples. She often felt left out in her mostly all white school, and when she was having a hard time solving a problem, no one would offer to help. However, they always helped each other and acted like they didn't see her.

  If you want to be an ally in action and not just words, then ask someone directly what they need and take steps to fulfill those needs.

  Simma, mentioned a friend who noticed an older Asian woman in their building who rarely went out due to fear of attacks during the pandemic. Instead of just expressing concern, the friend offered to accompany her to the grocery store, providing practical support and reassurance.

  There is power in collective action. Walking together with someone can make them feel safer and more empowered. By offering to accompany someone who feels unsafe, we can show solidarity and create a stronger sense of support. It is not enough to simply acknowledge someone's experiences; we must actively work to mitigate the situation and make them feel supported.

  Time stamps:

  [00:02:41] Fearlessness and Belonging.

  [00:04:25] Diversity in organizations.

  [00:10:52] Learning about different cultures.

  [00:15:08] Learning through discomfort.

  [00:16:31] Loudness and race awareness.

  [00:22:18] Overcoming stereotypes and assumptions.

  [00:25:06] Being black in America.

  [00:29:58] Asian hate and race discussion.

  [00:34:07] Blacks and Jews misunderstanding.

  [00:37:32] Asking questions and seeking understanding.

  [00:41:25] Slavery and acquired skills.

  [00:46:23] Living in a diverse world.

  [00:49:08] Empathy and creating understanding.

  [00:54:46] Empathy and taking action.

  [00:57:55] What are you listening to these days?

  [01:02:22] TV shows and cultural diversity.

  [01:04:36] Ways to relax and distress.

  Guest Bio

  Rosalyn Taylor O'Neale is a highly regarded diversity and inclusion thought leader, celebrated for her transformative impact on organizations worldwide. With extensive experience, including her roles as Vice President and Chief Diversity Officer at Campbell Soup Company, and Executive Vice President of Diversity Initiatives for MTV Network, Rosalyn has facilitated courageous conversations on biases, race, culture, gender, sexual orientation, privilege, and gender identity. Her work has earned her numerous accolades, such as being named one of the Top 100 Most Influential Blacks in Corporate America, Top Executives in Diversity, 100 Top Executives in America, and 100 Most Influential LGBT People of the Year.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

  Instagram

  Facebook

  YouTube

  Twitter

  LinkedIn

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  Website

  Previous Episodes

  Breaking the Chains: Fighting Caste Oppression with Thenmozhi Soundararajan Breaking Barriers: John Blake on Racial...]]>In this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, I interview Rosalyn Taylor O'Neill, a highly regarded diversity and inclusion thought leader. Rosalyn shares her experiences as the former Chief Diversity Officer at Campbell's Soup Company and Executive VP of Diversity Initiatives for MTV Network. She has received numerous accolades and awards for her work, including being named one of the top 100 most influential Blacks in corporate America and one of the top executives in diversity, and one of most influential LGBTQ people that year. With 47 years of experience, and never backing down, no matter who challenged her, Rosalyn has a lot to say and share. You want to hear this conversation on race.

  In this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, Diversity, Equity and Inclusion pioneer Rosalyn Taylor O'Neale emphasizes the importance of learning how to discuss race and navigate through discomfort in order to address racial disparities in every area.

  Rosalyn acknowledges that talking about race can be uncomfortable and may cause anxiety, as people may fear making mistakes or offending others, but they are necessary in order to learn and grow.

  One example is the significance of discussing race with healthcare professionals. Rosalyn explains that if a doctor is not comfortable talking about race, it can create issues for patients, particularly those from racial minority groups. She mentions that rashes may appear differently on the skin of different races. Therefore, it is crucial for doctors to be aware of these differences and for patients to be able to communicate their specific needs and concerns related to race.

  Rosalyn highlights the importance of discussing race in society as a whole if we want to survive. She says that in her town, seeing a Black person is still a rarity, indicating the lack of racial diversity. This lack of exposure and understanding can perpetuate stereotypes and biases. By engaging in conversations about race, individuals can challenge these stereotypes and learn from one another's experiences.

  She emphasizes that it is not enough to simply listen and sympathize with someone's experiences. You must take action and support them in practical ways if you are anti-racist. Merely expressing sympathy or feeling bad for someone does not bring about any real change or alleviate their situation.

  Rosalyn shares personal examples. She often felt left out in her mostly all white school, and when she was having a hard time solving a problem, no one would offer to help. However, they always helped each other and acted like they didn't see her.

  If you want to be an ally in action and not just words, then ask someone directly what they need and take steps to fulfill those needs.

  Simma, mentioned a friend who noticed an older Asian woman in their building who rarely went out due to fear of attacks during the pandemic. Instead of just expressing concern, the friend offered to accompany her to the grocery store, providing practical support and reassurance.

  There is power in collective action. Walking together with someone can make them feel safer and more empowered. By offering to accompany someone who feels unsafe, we can show solidarity and create a stronger sense of support. It is not enough to simply acknowledge someone's experiences; we must actively work to mitigate the situation and make them feel supported.

  Time stamps:

  [00:02:41] Fearlessness and Belonging.

  [00:04:25] Diversity in organizations.

  [00:10:52] Learning about different cultures.

  [00:15:08] Learning through discomfort.

  [00:16:31] Loudness and race awareness.

  [00:22:18] Overcoming stereotypes and assumptions.

  [00:25:06] Being black in America.

  [00:29:58] Asian hate and race discussion.

  [00:34:07] Blacks and Jews misunderstanding.

  [00:37:32] Asking questions and seeking understanding.

  [00:41:25] Slavery and acquired skills.

  [00:46:23] Living in a diverse world.

  [00:49:08] Empathy and creating understanding.

  [00:54:46] Empathy and taking action.

  [00:57:55] What are you listening to these days?

  [01:02:22] TV shows and cultural diversity.

  [01:04:36] Ways to relax and distress.

  Guest Bio

  Rosalyn Taylor O'Neale is a highly regarded diversity and inclusion thought leader, celebrated for her transformative impact on organizations worldwide. With extensive experience, including her roles as Vice President and Chief Diversity Officer at Campbell Soup Company, and Executive Vice President of Diversity Initiatives for MTV Network, Rosalyn has facilitated courageous conversations on biases, race, culture, gender, sexual orientation, privilege, and gender identity. Her work has earned her numerous accolades, such as being named one of the Top 100 Most Influential Blacks in Corporate America, Top Executives in Diversity, 100 Top Executives in America, and 100 Most Influential LGBT People of the Year.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

  Instagram

  Facebook

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  Previous Episodes

  Breaking the Chains: Fighting Caste Oppression with Thenmozhi Soundararajan Breaking Barriers: John Blake on Racial Reconciliation Why We Must Bridge Divides: A Conversation on Inclusive Leadership with Sally Helgesen & Mercedes Martin

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  ]]>2cc2a5e8-6678-4888-866f-5334fc595a0dThu, 14 Sep 2023 07:26:06 -070001:04:42falsefull11121121Race, Peace and Poverty; A Conversation on Race with Chad LassiterIn this conversation on Race, Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, and Chad Lassiter, the executive director of the Pennsylvania Human Relations Council, engage in a deep personal conversation about self-reflection and awareness of privileges, stereotypes, and behaviors. Chad shares his own daily process to engage in self-reflection on race, and his role in bringing people to the common table to challenge stereotypes that perpetuate inequality and discrimination.

  With school boards and politicians, not only eliminating African-American history and any discussion of racial discrimination under the guise of making white children feel uncomfortable, we need to find ways to flip the script and empower all children, including white children, to be agents of change. While acknowledging concerns about discomfort, Chad Lassiter says that we can help children see that they have the power to contribute to a more just and equal society. By engaging in these conversations, children can recognize each other's humanity and understand their role in promoting peace and justice.

  The key moments in this episode are:

  [02:26] Conversations around racism and division.

  [06:37] First experience with racism.

  [09:12] Police brutality and activism.

  [12:06] Generational trauma and racial identity.

  [17:04] Dismantling systemic and structural racism.

  [21:11] Building solidarity through activism.

  [26:49] Wealth and taking care of the poor.

  [28:00] Employment discrimination based on appearance.

  [33:19] The importance of conversation.

  [36:13] The trigger for white rage.

  [40:03] Talking about race in schools.

  [45:55] The Woman King and toxic masculinity.

  [48:37] Social change agents and justice warriors.

  Chad references the work of Paul Kivel, who emphasizes the necessity of difficult conversations about racism to uproot it.

  This episode of Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People needs to be heard by anyone who wants to empower people of all ages to eliminate racism and other forms of inequality.

  With so much foolishness about not even mentioning cultural/racial differences and pretending everyone is the same while erasing non-white people, it's essential that we share and talk about our identities, and culture. This is how we can find common ground and learn and grow together. Chad says these conversations will help us all find a balance between preserving individuality and being open to connecting with people from diverse backgrounds. No one is just one identity, and it would be very boring to pretend otherwise.

  We talk about Chad's experience of growing up in an all-black community and how his perspective initially remained narrow due to his limited exposure. However, from interacting with individuals from different cultures and backgrounds, his viewpoint expanded, and he discovered shared experiences. This highlights the idea that engaging with diverse perspectives broadens understanding and fosters connections.

  Simma and Chad talk about the concept of cultural pride reinforcement, particularly within the context of the Black Lives Matter movement. Cultural pride does not entail valuing one culture over another but rather celebrating and affirming the importance of one's own culture while also respecting and acknowledging the significance of other cultures. This supports the notion that maintaining one's identity and culture does not necessitate rejecting or disregarding others.

  Listen in as we touch on the significance of having conversations about race, racism, and other issues that some may see as divisive.

  While recognizing the importance of addressing these topics, we also need to incorporate discussions around peace, justice, truth, love, and kindness. That's how a more inclusive and compassionate society can be created. Without that, we'll be even more divided racially and in every other way

  Overall, the episode underscores the importance of maintaining one's identity and culture while also seeking common ground with others. It highlights the value of expanding perspectives, celebrating cultural pride, and engaging in conversations that foster understanding, peace, and justice.

  Guest Bio

  Chad Dion Lassiter is a national expert in the field of American Race Relations. Mr. Lassiter has worked on race, peace, and poverty-related issues in the United States of America, Africa, Canada, Haiti, Israel, and Norway, and is called upon frequently by media outlets to provide commentary on race relations and potential solutions. He is the current executive director of the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission, where he has legislatively delegated authority to investigate complaints filed alleging unlawful discrimination in the areas of employment, housing and commercial property, education and/or public accommodations. During his capacity in this position, he has developed and launched a 'No Hate in Our State Townhall' to address the surge of White nationalism in Pennsylvania, a 'Social Justice Lecture Series' providing an outlet for the communities in the state to discuss imperative issues and serves as a Racial Reduction Response team for those communities impacted by hatred. He oversees a staff of 84 with three regional offices that comprise the 67 counties in Pennsylvania and manages an annual budget of $12 million. He has also developed programs under his appointment, such as a 'Global Social Justice Initiative', 'Black and Jewish Beloved Community Dialogue', and the 'College Race Dialogue Initiative.'

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

  Instagram

  Facebook

  YouTube

  Twitter

  LinkedIn

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  Website

  Previous Episodes

  Breaking the Chains: Fighting Caste Oppression with Thenmozhi Soundararajan Breaking Barriers: John Blake on Racial Reconciliation Why We Must Bridge Divides: A Conversation on Inclusive Leadership with Sally Helgesen & Mercedes Martin

  Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating

  ]]>In this conversation on Race, Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, and Chad Lassiter, the executive director of the Pennsylvania Human Relations Council, engage in a deep personal conversation about self-reflection and awareness of privileges, stereotypes, and behaviors. Chad shares his own daily process to engage in self-reflection on race, and his role in bringing people to the common table to challenge stereotypes that perpetuate inequality and discrimination.

  With school boards and politicians, not only eliminating African-American history and any discussion of racial discrimination under the guise of making white children feel uncomfortable, we need to find ways to flip the script and empower all children, including white children, to be agents of change. While acknowledging concerns about discomfort, Chad Lassiter says that we can help children see that they have the power to contribute to a more just and equal society. By engaging in these conversations, children can recognize each other's humanity and understand their role in promoting peace and justice.

  The key moments in this episode are:

  [02:26] Conversations around racism and division.

  [06:37] First experience with racism.

  [09:12] Police brutality and activism.

  [12:06] Generational trauma and racial identity.

  [17:04] Dismantling systemic and structural racism.

  [21:11] Building solidarity through activism.

  [26:49] Wealth and taking care of the poor.

  [28:00] Employment discrimination based on appearance.

  [33:19] The importance of conversation.

  [36:13] The trigger for white rage.

  [40:03] Talking about race in schools.

  [45:55] The Woman King and toxic masculinity.

  [48:37] Social change agents and justice warriors.

  Chad references the work of Paul Kivel, who emphasizes the necessity of difficult conversations about racism to uproot it.

  This episode of Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People needs to be heard by anyone who wants to empower people of all ages to eliminate racism and other forms of inequality.

  With so much foolishness about not even mentioning cultural/racial differences and pretending everyone is the same while erasing non-white people, it's essential that we share and talk about our identities, and culture. This is how we can find common ground and learn and grow together. Chad says these conversations will help us all find a balance between preserving individuality and being open to connecting with people from diverse backgrounds. No one is just one identity, and it would be very boring to pretend otherwise.

  We talk about Chad's experience of growing up in an all-black community and how his perspective initially remained narrow due to his limited exposure. However, from interacting with individuals from different cultures and backgrounds, his viewpoint expanded, and he discovered shared experiences. This highlights the idea that engaging with diverse perspectives broadens understanding and fosters connections.

  Simma and Chad talk about the concept of cultural pride reinforcement, particularly within the context of the Black Lives Matter movement. Cultural pride does not entail valuing one culture over another but rather celebrating and affirming the importance of one's own culture while also respecting and acknowledging the significance of other cultures. This supports the notion that maintaining one's identity and culture does not necessitate rejecting or disregarding others.

  Listen in as we touch on the significance of having conversations about race, racism, and other issues that some may see as divisive.

  While recognizing the importance of addressing these topics, we also need to incorporate discussions around peace, justice, truth, love, and kindness. That's how a more inclusive and compassionate society can be created. Without that, we'll be even more divided racially and in every other way

  Overall, the episode underscores the importance of maintaining one's identity and culture while also seeking common ground with others. It highlights the value of expanding perspectives, celebrating cultural pride, and engaging in conversations that foster understanding, peace, and justice.

  Guest Bio

  Chad Dion Lassiter is a national expert in the field of American Race Relations. Mr. Lassiter has worked on race, peace, and poverty-related issues in the United States of America, Africa, Canada, Haiti, Israel, and Norway, and is called upon frequently by media outlets to provide commentary on race relations and potential solutions. He is the current executive director of the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission, where he has legislatively delegated authority to investigate complaints filed alleging unlawful discrimination in the areas of employment, housing and commercial property, education and/or public accommodations. During his capacity in this position, he has developed and launched a 'No Hate in Our State Townhall' to address the surge of White nationalism in Pennsylvania, a 'Social Justice Lecture Series' providing an outlet for the communities in the state to discuss imperative issues and serves as a Racial Reduction Response team for those communities impacted by hatred. He oversees a staff of 84 with three regional offices that comprise the 67 counties in Pennsylvania and manages an annual budget of $12 million. He has also developed programs under his appointment, such as a 'Global Social Justice Initiative', 'Black and Jewish Beloved Community Dialogue', and the 'College Race Dialogue Initiative.'

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

  Instagram

  Facebook

  YouTube

  Twitter

  LinkedIn

  Tiktok

  Website

  Previous Episodes

  Breaking the Chains: Fighting Caste Oppression with Thenmozhi Soundararajan Breaking Barriers: John Blake on Racial Reconciliation Why We Must Bridge Divides: A Conversation on Inclusive Leadership with Sally Helgesen & Mercedes Martin

  Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating

  ]]>788779ac-d276-4aea-844d-be213a87eeefFri, 18 Aug 2023 10:16:04 -070049:02falsefull111111Jewish, Black, and Native American: Dr. Lonny Avi Brooks In this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, host Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, invites Dr. Lonny Avi Brooks, a professor of communication and Afrofuturism, to discuss his unique background as a Jewish, Black, and Native American individual. Avi and Simma explore the intersectionality of race and religion considering recent conversations on anti-Semitism and racism. The conversation also delves into the concept of Afrofuturism and its significance. Tune in to gain insights and engage in an Everyday Conversation on Race.

  Dr. Lonny Avi Brooks emphasizes the importance of acknowledging and respecting the rich cultures and dignities of others for personal growth and self-understanding. When you disregard or suppress someone else's culture, you limit your own potential for a fulfilling life. He shares what it means to him to be Black, Jewish, and Native American in his everyday life and the impact it has had on his relationships, and the actions he has taken to eliminate racism, antisemitism, and all forms of hate. He recounts his earliest memories of going to synagogue with his brother and how he integrates and loves who he is today. Lonny Avi Brooks is busy traveling and speaking on Afrofuturism, is active in synagogue and Jewish life, as well as involved in Native American communities.

  Key Points in this episode:

  • Recognizing and appreciating diverse cultures, allows individuals to gain a deeper understanding of themselves and the world around them.

  • How systemic oppression, crime, and homelessness are all results of a lack of understanding and respect for differences and denial of opportunities and inequality. By disrespecting and trivializing other cultures, people who subscribe covertly or overtly to white supremacist culture not only harm others but also hinder their own growth and understanding of the world.

  • Experience of being Black and Jewish in a mostly white Jewish synagogue

  • Dismantling the myth that all Jewish people are white and looking at the depth, complexities, and similarities amongst Jewish people across the world.

  • How Afrofuturism serves to preserve and expand Black culture. Guerrilla tactics are used to showcase the existence, power, and potential of Black people. By appreciating and valuing the culture and history of others, individuals, both Black and non-Black, can contribute to a more inclusive and equitable society.

  • Why acknowledging and respecting the rich cultures and dignities of others is not only essential for personal growth and self-understanding but also for creating a more just and harmonious society.

  • The way that Afrofuturism and other futurisms empower individuals and communities by fostering self-esteem, creativity, and innovation.

  • Why it's essential that all individuals know their own history and cultural background to have a sense of identity and motivation that will guide their success. Afrofuturism, along with Indigenous Futurism, queer futurism, Jewish Futurism, and Arab Futurism, provides diverse visions of the future that inspire and empower young people.

  • When people know where they come from. their history and the contributions of "their peoples," it encourages them to be more self-confident and creative.

  • Why Afrofuturism plays an important role in reclaiming lost cultural heritage erased by colonialism. By leveraging the past and projecting it into the future, Afrofuturism allows individuals and communities to preserve their cultural heritage while envisioning new possibilities. This process is particularly important in the face of attempts to erase the history of Black people.

  • The crisis in the US with some state governments and school boards, eliminating African American history from their curriculum. They are "rewriting American history," even claiming that there was "personal benefit from slavery for enslaved people."

  • Futurism movements offer diverse visions of the future that represent marginalized communities and encourage individuals to make a difference for themselves and their own groups.

  • Why it is essential that people engage in conversations about race and antisemitism, and other "isms" to break down barriers and promote understanding between people of different racial backgrounds.

  • Why Octavia Butler, Afrofuturism, Black Panthers. Greenwood, Tulsa, "The Watchman" are all important.

  • Simma Lieberman acknowledges that many individuals may feel hesitant or afraid to have these conversations due to the fear of saying the wrong thing, feeling attacked, or being ignored or trivialized. However, this podcast, Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People, aims to create a safe space for these conversations, encouraging listeners to overcome their fears and engage in dialogue.

  To learn more:

  • Attend conferences and events that focus on race, such as Afrofuturism or Afrocomiccon. By participating in these gatherings, individuals can engage in conversations about race, learn from experts in the field, and broaden their understanding of different racial experiences.

  • Read histories of African Americans, Africa, Judaism, racism, antisemitism, and indigenous history.

  • Learn about intersectionality across race, culture, and other differences.

  Timestamps

  [00:01:05] Afrofuturism and identity/ Jewish, Black, and Native American

  [00:04:55] Multicultural identity and cultural questioning.

  In this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, host Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist, invites Dr. Lonny Avi Brooks, a professor of communication and Afrofuturism, to discuss his unique background as a Jewish, Black, and Native American individual. Avi and Simma explore the intersectionality of race and religion considering recent conversations on anti-Semitism and racism. The conversation also delves into the concept of Afrofuturism and its significance. Tune in to gain insights and engage in an Everyday Conversation on Race.

  Dr. Lonny Avi Brooks emphasizes the importance of acknowledging and respecting the rich cultures and dignities of others for personal growth and self-understanding. When you disregard or suppress someone else's culture, you limit your own potential for a fulfilling life. He shares what it means to him to be Black, Jewish, and Native American in his everyday life and the impact it has had on his relationships, and the actions he has taken to eliminate racism, antisemitism, and all forms of hate. He recounts his earliest memories of going to synagogue with his brother and how he integrates and loves who he is today. Lonny Avi Brooks is busy traveling and speaking on Afrofuturism, is active in synagogue and Jewish life, as well as involved in Native American communities.

  Key Points in this episode:

  • Recognizing and appreciating diverse cultures, allows individuals to gain a deeper understanding of themselves and the world around them.

  • How systemic oppression, crime, and homelessness are all results of a lack of understanding and respect for differences and denial of opportunities and inequality. By disrespecting and trivializing other cultures, people who subscribe covertly or overtly to white supremacist culture not only harm others but also hinder their own growth and understanding of the world.

  • Experience of being Black and Jewish in a mostly white Jewish synagogue

  • Dismantling the myth that all Jewish people are white and looking at the depth, complexities, and similarities amongst Jewish people across the world.

  • How Afrofuturism serves to preserve and expand Black culture. Guerrilla tactics are used to showcase the existence, power, and potential of Black people. By appreciating and valuing the culture and history of others, individuals, both Black and non-Black, can contribute to a more inclusive and equitable society.

  • Why acknowledging and respecting the rich cultures and dignities of others is not only essential for personal growth and self-understanding but also for creating a more just and harmonious society.

  • The way that Afrofuturism and other futurisms empower individuals and communities by fostering self-esteem, creativity, and innovation.

  • Why it's essential that all individuals know their own history and cultural background to have a sense of identity and motivation that will guide their success. Afrofuturism, along with Indigenous Futurism, queer futurism, Jewish Futurism, and Arab Futurism, provides diverse visions of the future that inspire and empower young people.

  • When people know where they come from. their history and the contributions of "their peoples," it encourages them to be more self-confident and creative.

  • Why Afrofuturism plays an important role in reclaiming lost cultural heritage erased by colonialism. By leveraging the past and projecting it into the future, Afrofuturism allows individuals and communities to preserve their cultural heritage while envisioning new possibilities. This process is particularly important in the face of attempts to erase the history of Black people.

  • The crisis in the US with some state governments and school boards, eliminating African American history from their curriculum. They are "rewriting American history," even claiming that there was "personal benefit from slavery for enslaved people."

  • Futurism movements offer diverse visions of the future that represent marginalized communities and encourage individuals to make a difference for themselves and their own groups.

  • Why it is essential that people engage in conversations about race and antisemitism, and other "isms" to break down barriers and promote understanding between people of different racial backgrounds.

  • Why Octavia Butler, Afrofuturism, Black Panthers. Greenwood, Tulsa, "The Watchman" are all important.

  • Simma Lieberman acknowledges that many individuals may feel hesitant or afraid to have these conversations due to the fear of saying the wrong thing, feeling attacked, or being ignored or trivialized. However, this podcast, Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People, aims to create a safe space for these conversations, encouraging listeners to overcome their fears and engage in dialogue.

  To learn more:

  • Attend conferences and events that focus on race, such as Afrofuturism or Afrocomiccon. By participating in these gatherings, individuals can engage in conversations about race, learn from experts in the field, and broaden their understanding of different racial experiences.

  • Read histories of African Americans, Africa, Judaism, racism, antisemitism, and indigenous history.

  • Learn about intersectionality across race, culture, and other differences.

  Timestamps

  [00:01:05] Afrofuturism and identity/ Jewish, Black, and Native American

  [00:04:55] Multicultural identity and cultural questioning.

  [00:09:38] Mishap at the synagogue with Avi Brooks and his brother

  [00:15:06] Hebrew school and re-envisioning inclusivity.

  [00:19:16] Systemic white supremacy and culture.

  [00:24:33] Ethnic inner-ethnic war/the realities of antisemitism and racism

  [00:27:10] Cultural Vibranium and Afrofuturism.

  [00:32:06] The Black Speculative Arts Movement.

  [00:38:41] Afrofuturism and new creativity.

  [00:41:02] African music and artists.

  [00:46:31] Attending Afrofuturism and Comic Cons.

  [00:49:24] Inclusion in conversation with Dr. Lonnie Avi Brooks.

  Guest Bio

  Dr. Lonny Avi Brooks is Professor in Communication, Cal State University, East Bay. Co-executive producer, The Afrofuturist Podcast; co-organizer, Black Speculative Arts Movement; co-founder with Ahmed Best of the AfroRithm Futures Group; co-designer of the game Afro-Rithms From The Future. Co-founder, the Community Futures School, Museum of Children's Arts (MOCHA). Research Affiliate@Institute For The Future & Long Now Foundation Fellow and visiting professor@ the Stanford d.school. Author, "From Algorithms to AfroRithms in Afrofuturism" in Black Experience in Design: Identity, Expression & Reflection.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People." Simma is the creator of the program, "Inclusive Leadership from the Inside Out."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with Simma:

  Instagram

  Facebook

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  Previous Episodes

  Breaking the Chains: Fighting Caste Oppression with Thenmozhi Soundararajan Breaking Barriers: John Blake on Racial Reconciliation Why We Must Bridge Divides: A Conversation on Inclusive Leadership with Sally Helgesen & Mercedes Martin

  Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating

  ]]>27f68f59-7134-4e30-a2d0-f62a0ff3f85dMon, 07 Aug 2023 06:01:03 -070050:07falsefull11101101Breaking the Chains: Fighting Caste Oppression with Thenmozhi Soundararajan From grassroots movements to political advocacy, explore the powerful journey of Dalit activists working towards dismantling caste oppression.

  In this episode, you will be able to:

  ● Shatter the silence surrounding caste discrimination in US-based South Asian communities.

  ● Delve into the world of Dalit rights activism to understand the struggle against centuries-old caste subjugation.

  ● Grasp why legislation against caste discrimination in California could be a game changer.

  ● Realize the paramount importance of caste equity competency in breaking down workplace barriers.

  ● Get attuned to how somatics can mend the psychological wounds inflicted by caste discrimination over generations.

  My special guest is Thenmozhi Soundararajan

  Joining the conversation is Thenmozhi Soundararajan, a Dalit rights activist born in the heart of East Los Angeles, bringing a fresh perspective to igniting change for Indian Americans and marginalized communities. Raised in the harsh reality of structural casteism, she uses her lived experiences as the foundation of her fight against this persistent issue. Additionally, she is admired for her talents as a transmedia storyteller, songwriter, writer, hip-hop musician, technologist, and author of The Trauma of Caste: A Dalit Feminist Meditation on Survivorship, Healing, and Abolition. Her story and experiences form an intricate tapestry of struggle, resilience, and commitment, making her an invaluable guest on the topic of Dalit rights and caste discrimination.

  The key moments in this episode are:

  00:00:02 - Introduction 00:01:19 - Guest Introduction 00:03:40 - What is Caste? 00:07:19 - Caste Discrimination in the US00:09:19 - Personal Experience and Hiding Identity 00:16:46 - Addressing Misconceptions about Trafficking 00:17:20 - Structural Caste and Sexual Exploitation 00:18:19 - The Need for Civil Rights Organizations 00:19:35 - Discrimination and the Fight for Caste Equity 00:24:35 - Caste as a Protected Category 00:32:28 - The Impact of Caste Oppression 00:34:09 - Changing Hearts and Minds 00:35:11 - Discrimination within South Asian Communities 00:37:54 - Groundbreaking Conversations and Unity 00:39:10 - Responding to Denial of Caste

  The resources mentioned in this episode are:

  ● Go to the website www.RaceConvo.com to listen to more episodes of the show and engage in conversations about race.

  ● Please share the show with at least one or two other people who may be interested in having conversations about race.

  ● If you enjoy the show, please leave a review to help support it. Don't forget to give it five stars if you think it's a five-star show.

  ● If you'd like to help support the show, you can make a tax-deductible donation by clicking on the donate button on the website.

  ● To understand more about caste and Dalit rights, visit Equality Labs, an organization fighting for caste equity and civil rights. Learn about their work and support their cause.

  ● Support the coalition led by Equality Labs and Senator Ayesha Wahab to make California the first state to ban caste discrimination. Stay updated on their progress and join their efforts.

  Guest Bio

  Thenmozhi Soundararajan is a Dalit rights activist based in the United States. She is a transmedia storyteller, songwriter, hip-hop musician and technologist. She founded Equality Labs, which "is an Ambedkarite South Asian power-building organization that uses community research, political base-building, culture-shifting art, and digital security to end the oppression of caste apartheid, Islamophobia, white supremacy, and religious intolerance." Her work and writings against caste oppression in the United States have been featured in The New York Times and The Washington Post.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

  Instagram

  Facebook

  YouTube

  Twitter

  LinkedIn

  Tiktok

  Website

  Previous Episodes

  Breaking Barriers: John Blake on Racial Reconciliation Why We Must Bridge Divides: A Conversation on Inclusive Leadership with Sally Helgesen & Mercedes Martin Rising Above Racism: Dr. Randal Pinkett's Journey to DEI Expertise

  Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating

  ]]> From grassroots movements to political advocacy, explore the powerful journey of Dalit activists working towards dismantling caste oppression.

  In this episode, you will be able to:

  ● Shatter the silence surrounding caste discrimination in US-based South Asian communities.

  ● Delve into the world of Dalit rights activism to understand the struggle against centuries-old caste subjugation.

  ● Grasp why legislation against caste discrimination in California could be a game changer.

  ● Realize the paramount importance of caste equity competency in breaking down workplace barriers.

  ● Get attuned to how somatics can mend the psychological wounds inflicted by caste discrimination over generations.

  My special guest is Thenmozhi Soundararajan

  Joining the conversation is Thenmozhi Soundararajan, a Dalit rights activist born in the heart of East Los Angeles, bringing a fresh perspective to igniting change for Indian Americans and marginalized communities. Raised in the harsh reality of structural casteism, she uses her lived experiences as the foundation of her fight against this persistent issue. Additionally, she is admired for her talents as a transmedia storyteller, songwriter, writer, hip-hop musician, technologist, and author of The Trauma of Caste: A Dalit Feminist Meditation on Survivorship, Healing, and Abolition. Her story and experiences form an intricate tapestry of struggle, resilience, and commitment, making her an invaluable guest on the topic of Dalit rights and caste discrimination.

  The key moments in this episode are:

  00:00:02 - Introduction 00:01:19 - Guest Introduction 00:03:40 - What is Caste? 00:07:19 - Caste Discrimination in the US00:09:19 - Personal Experience and Hiding Identity 00:16:46 - Addressing Misconceptions about Trafficking 00:17:20 - Structural Caste and Sexual Exploitation 00:18:19 - The Need for Civil Rights Organizations 00:19:35 - Discrimination and the Fight for Caste Equity 00:24:35 - Caste as a Protected Category 00:32:28 - The Impact of Caste Oppression 00:34:09 - Changing Hearts and Minds 00:35:11 - Discrimination within South Asian Communities 00:37:54 - Groundbreaking Conversations and Unity 00:39:10 - Responding to Denial of Caste

  The resources mentioned in this episode are:

  ● Go to the website www.RaceConvo.com to listen to more episodes of the show and engage in conversations about race.

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  ● To understand more about caste and Dalit rights, visit Equality Labs, an organization fighting for caste equity and civil rights. Learn about their work and support their cause.

  ● Support the coalition led by Equality Labs and Senator Ayesha Wahab to make California the first state to ban caste discrimination. Stay updated on their progress and join their efforts.

  Guest Bio

  Thenmozhi Soundararajan is a Dalit rights activist based in the United States. She is a transmedia storyteller, songwriter, hip-hop musician and technologist. She founded Equality Labs, which "is an Ambedkarite South Asian power-building organization that uses community research, political base-building, culture-shifting art, and digital security to end the oppression of caste apartheid, Islamophobia, white supremacy, and religious intolerance." Her work and writings against caste oppression in the United States have been featured in The New York Times and The Washington Post.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

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  Previous Episodes

  Breaking Barriers: John Blake on Racial Reconciliation Why We Must Bridge Divides: A Conversation on Inclusive Leadership with Sally Helgesen & Mercedes Martin Rising Above Racism: Dr. Randal Pinkett's Journey to DEI Expertise

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  ]]>3b88ea30-47f7-489b-95eb-2b7b0197acc1Mon, 17 Jul 2023 18:22:00 -070046:54falsefull11081081Breaking Barriers: John Blake on Racial ReconciliationIn this conversation on race, Simma talks with John Blake, a well-known author, and journalist with CNN. He reports on race, religion, and politics. His most recent book is, More Than I Imagined: What a Black Man Discovered About the White Mother He Never Knew

  John Blake's story begins with a familiar narrative of a biracial child struggling to find their place in a racially divided America. But just when you think you know where the story is headed, a surprising twist throws everything into question. What happens when John meets his estranged white family members as an adult? Will he reject them as he did with his white heritage? Or will he embrace them, leading to a transformative journey of empathy and forgiveness? Join us as we explore John's journey of racial reconciliation and the power of relationships in bridging seemingly impossible divides.

  Why Race Is Important

  Race is a central theme not only in the personal lives of many individuals but also in the larger context of American society. Understanding the importance of race requires recognizing that it shapes people's experiences, opportunities, and challenges in significant ways. By talking about race and valuing the various perspectives and experiences that come from different racial backgrounds, people can grow in empathy, cultivate meaningful relationships, and foster a more equitable and just society. In the conversation between Simma Lieberman and John Blake, John shares that his own experiences growing up as a biracial child with a white mother and black father has had a profound impact on his life, shaping both his personal struggles and his professional pursuits as a journalist reporting on race relations in America. He emphasizes that race is a key element in understanding and addressing social issues and that acknowledging and embracing diversity can ultimately bring people together and create a better society.

  In this episode, you will be able to:

  • Realize the potential of building bridges across racial divides for a more inclusive society.
  • Grasp the impact of compassion and pardoning in breaking the shackles of prejudiced thinking.
  • Appreciate how knowledge can be a catalyst for change in combating racism.
  • Understand the intricacies of racial outlooks and the space for growth and transformation.
  • Appreciate the value of purposeful diversity and interaction in minimizing bias.
  
  

  The resources and solutions mentioned in this episode are:

  • Purchase John Blake's book More Than I Imagined: What a Black Man Discovered About the White Mother He Never Knew
  • Read John Blake's articles on CNN about race, religion, and politics
  • Participate in Simma Lieberman's facilitated dialogues to bring people together across race
  • Practice empathy and forgiveness towards individuals who may hold racist attitudes or beliefs
  • Read books by authors like Ibram X. Kendi and Jon Blake to educate yourself on race and racism
  • Take action towards creating a successful multiracial, multireligious democracy by working towards racial justice and equality in your community.
  
  

  The key moments in this episode are

  00:00:02 - Introduction

  00:01:53 - Why Race Is Important

  00:03:54 - Discovering His Mother's Race

  00:05:49 - Meeting His Mentally Ill Mother

  00:11:02 - Lessons About Empathy and Forgiveness

  00:15:52 - The Importance of Relationships in Combating Racism

  00:17:47 - The Need for Intentional Diversity

  00:19:19 - Telling Optimistic Stories

  00:21:57 - The Continual Conversion Process

  00:26:45 - Creating Opportunities for Meaningful Contact

  00:30:28 - Importance of Diversity in Communities

  00:34:52 - The Capacity for Change in Racism

  00:37:57 - Cancel Culture and the Importance of Listening

  00:41:01 - Personal Music and Book Recommendations

  00:42:08 - Recommended Readings and Eric Liu's Work

  Guest Bio

  John Blake is an award-winning journalist at CNN.com, the online site for CNN and an author. He has been honored by the Associated Press, the Society of Professional Journalists, the American Academy of Religion, the National Association of Black Journalists, the Religion Communicators Council and with the GLAAD Media Award. He was most recently the winner of the 2019 Sigma Delta Chi awards for Excellence in Journalism for his online columns on race and politics. His 2020 essay, "There's One Epidemic We May Never Find a Cure For: Fear of Black Men in Public Spaces," was recently selected by Bustle Digital Group as one of the 11 best essays on racism and police violence. The other authors on that list included Ta-Nehisi Coates, Ibram X. Kendi, and Roxane Gay. Blake's book, "Children of the Movement," was a finalist for the 2005 NAACP Image Awards in the Outstanding Literary Work Non-Fiction category and a finalist for the Gustavus Myers Outstanding Book Awards. He has spoken at high schools, colleges, symposiums, and in documentaries about topics such as race, religion, and politics. Blake is a native of Baltimore, Maryland, and a graduate of Howard University.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

  Instagram

  Facebook

  YouTube

  Twitter

  LinkedIn

  Tiktok

  Website

  Previous Episodes

  Why We Must Bridge Divides: A Conversation on Inclusive Leadership with Sally Helgesen & Mercedes Martin Rising Above Racism: Dr. Randal Pinkett's Journey to DEI Expertise Cops Against Systemic Racism: Ed Cronin & Mike Alexander's Journey [Part 2]

  Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating

  ]]>In this conversation on race, Simma talks with John Blake, a well-known author, and journalist with CNN. He reports on race, religion, and politics. His most recent book is, More Than I Imagined: What a Black Man Discovered About the White Mother He Never Knew

  John Blake's story begins with a familiar narrative of a biracial child struggling to find their place in a racially divided America. But just when you think you know where the story is headed, a surprising twist throws everything into question. What happens when John meets his estranged white family members as an adult? Will he reject them as he did with his white heritage? Or will he embrace them, leading to a transformative journey of empathy and forgiveness? Join us as we explore John's journey of racial reconciliation and the power of relationships in bridging seemingly impossible divides.

  Why Race Is Important

  Race is a central theme not only in the personal lives of many individuals but also in the larger context of American society. Understanding the importance of race requires recognizing that it shapes people's experiences, opportunities, and challenges in significant ways. By talking about race and valuing the various perspectives and experiences that come from different racial backgrounds, people can grow in empathy, cultivate meaningful relationships, and foster a more equitable and just society. In the conversation between Simma Lieberman and John Blake, John shares that his own experiences growing up as a biracial child with a white mother and black father has had a profound impact on his life, shaping both his personal struggles and his professional pursuits as a journalist reporting on race relations in America. He emphasizes that race is a key element in understanding and addressing social issues and that acknowledging and embracing diversity can ultimately bring people together and create a better society.

  In this episode, you will be able to:

  • Realize the potential of building bridges across racial divides for a more inclusive society.
  • Grasp the impact of compassion and pardoning in breaking the shackles of prejudiced thinking.
  • Appreciate how knowledge can be a catalyst for change in combating racism.
  • Understand the intricacies of racial outlooks and the space for growth and transformation.
  • Appreciate the value of purposeful diversity and interaction in minimizing bias.
  
  

  The resources and solutions mentioned in this episode are:

  • Purchase John Blake's book More Than I Imagined: What a Black Man Discovered About the White Mother He Never Knew
  • Read John Blake's articles on CNN about race, religion, and politics
  • Participate in Simma Lieberman's facilitated dialogues to bring people together across race
  • Practice empathy and forgiveness towards individuals who may hold racist attitudes or beliefs
  • Read books by authors like Ibram X. Kendi and Jon Blake to educate yourself on race and racism
  • Take action towards creating a successful multiracial, multireligious democracy by working towards racial justice and equality in your community.
  
  

  The key moments in this episode are

  00:00:02 - Introduction

  00:01:53 - Why Race Is Important

  00:03:54 - Discovering His Mother's Race

  00:05:49 - Meeting His Mentally Ill Mother

  00:11:02 - Lessons About Empathy and Forgiveness

  00:15:52 - The Importance of Relationships in Combating Racism

  00:17:47 - The Need for Intentional Diversity

  00:19:19 - Telling Optimistic Stories

  00:21:57 - The Continual Conversion Process

  00:26:45 - Creating Opportunities for Meaningful Contact

  00:30:28 - Importance of Diversity in Communities

  00:34:52 - The Capacity for Change in Racism

  00:37:57 - Cancel Culture and the Importance of Listening

  00:41:01 - Personal Music and Book Recommendations

  00:42:08 - Recommended Readings and Eric Liu's Work

  Guest Bio

  John Blake is an award-winning journalist at CNN.com, the online site for CNN and an author. He has been honored by the Associated Press, the Society of Professional Journalists, the American Academy of Religion, the National Association of Black Journalists, the Religion Communicators Council and with the GLAAD Media Award. He was most recently the winner of the 2019 Sigma Delta Chi awards for Excellence in Journalism for his online columns on race and politics. His 2020 essay, "There's One Epidemic We May Never Find a Cure For: Fear of Black Men in Public Spaces," was recently selected by Bustle Digital Group as one of the 11 best essays on racism and police violence. The other authors on that list included Ta-Nehisi Coates, Ibram X. Kendi, and Roxane Gay. Blake's book, "Children of the Movement," was a finalist for the 2005 NAACP Image Awards in the Outstanding Literary Work Non-Fiction category and a finalist for the Gustavus Myers Outstanding Book Awards. He has spoken at high schools, colleges, symposiums, and in documentaries about topics such as race, religion, and politics. Blake is a native of Baltimore, Maryland, and a graduate of Howard University.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me:

  Instagram

  Facebook

  YouTube

  Twitter

  LinkedIn

  Tiktok

  Website

  Previous Episodes

  Why We Must Bridge Divides: A Conversation on Inclusive Leadership with Sally Helgesen & Mercedes Martin Rising Above Racism: Dr. Randal Pinkett's Journey to DEI Expertise Cops Against Systemic Racism: Ed Cronin & Mike Alexander's Journey [Part 2]

  Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating

  ]]>d54a706a-50eb-42cc-a82f-d16218d8d7bbSat, 01 Jul 2023 08:01:00 -070045:20falsefull11071071Why We Must Bridge Divides: A Conversation on Inclusive Leadership with Sally Helgesen & Mercedes MartinJoin Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People, the podcast that brings real talk and real change to the forefront.

  In a society where race, culture, and identity are often sources of division, bridging the conversation on race and equity is imperative. By fostering open and honest dialogues, organizations can create safe spaces for employees to share their experiences and perspectives, ultimately leading to a more inclusive and equitable workplace.

  Simma Lieberman, Sally Helgesen, and Mercedes Martin explored the importance of bridging the conversation on race and equity during their discussion. They acknowledged the challenges of fostering these dialogues and shared their experiences in navigating the complexities of identity, race, and belonging.

  Sally reflected on her close relationships with African Americans throughout her life and the impact of their struggles on shaping her understanding of race and equity.

  Mercedes, an Afro-Latina woman from Cuba, spoke about her purpose in helping organizations tackle diversity and inclusion by shifting mindsets and embracing collaboration.

  In this episode, you will be able to:

  ● Discover the significance of uniting as a team to create an all-embracing workplace environment.

  •Embrace the benefits of acknowledging various personal histories and experiences.

  • Acquire tools for seeking common ground and defusing challenging situations to resolve conflicts and misunderstandings

  ● Explore the expansion of diversity beyond gender, focusing on race and values.

  ● Recognize the importance of appreciating different backgrounds and experiences.

  ● Understand the role of individual change in sustaining diversity and inclusion among leaders.

  ● Learn how to identify commonalities and navigate through difficult situations to overcome division and polarization.

  During the episode, Sally Helgesen and Mercedes Martin shared their personal experiences and emphasized the importance of fostering a sense of belonging within the workplace. They discussed the power of embracing people's diverse backgrounds, experiences, and perspectives in order to build stronger connections and more effective workforces. Simma Lieberman highlighted the need to support one another and rise together in the pursuit of inclusion and equity, sharing insights from both Sally's and Mercedes's experiences in the field.

  Sally, Mercedes and Simma discuss the urgency of sustainable change and emphasize that in order to sustain change, it is necessary to start from within. They talk about the importance of transforming oneself along with the organization and how change management needs to involve everyone in the organization. They also talk about the fear of leadership in addressing diversity and inclusion, especially pertaining to race, and how it needs to start with a clear why and work with the leadership in understanding the need for change.

  The key moments in this episode are:

  00:01:13 - Introduction of Sally Helgesen

  00:02:26 - Introduction of Mercedes Martin

  00:06:49 - Sally Helgesen's motivation for writing "Rising Together"

  00:09:53 - Introduction of Mercedes Martin's background and cultural identity

  00:19:07 - Creating a Culture of Inclusion

  00:22:23 - The Importance of Inclusive Leadership

  00:24:10 - Bridging the Conversation on Race and Equity

  00:27:20 - Multiple Identities and Belonging

  00:35:33 - The Importance of Self-reflection

  00:37:24 - Importance of Authentic Leadership for Inclusion

  00:39:05 - Characteristics of Inclusive Leadership

  00:42:43 - Sustainable Change: Individual and Systemic Change

  00:48:00 - Inhabiting the Middle Amidst Polarization

  Guest Bio

  Sally Helgesen is a renowned expert on women's leadership and an internationally bestselling author, speaker, and leadership coach. Honored in Forbes as the world's premier expert on women's leadership, she has been inducted into the Thinkers 50 Hall of Fame, which recognizes influential leaders in the field of leadership worldwide. Ranked number three among the world's thought leaders by Global Gurus, Sally has recently released her book, Rising Together, which offers practical ways to build more inclusive relationships, teams, and workplaces.

  Mercedes Martin is a native Spanish-speaking international executive coach and consultant from Cuba with a wealth of experience in global leadership, diversity, and sustainability development. Working with Fortune 50 companies such as PepsiCo, Proctor and Gamble, Shell Oil, and Kellogg's, Mercedes has helped senior leaders, women, and people of color rise in their careers. As the founder of Mercedes Martin and Company, she continues to focus on supporting leadership in rewiring their mindset and embracing conversations on diversity, equity, and belonging.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me: Instagram Facebook YouTube Twitter LinkedIn TiktokWebsite

  Previous Episodes

  Rising Above Racism: Dr. Randal Pinkett's Journey to DEI Expertise Cops Against Systemic Racism: Ed Cronin & Mike Alexander's Journey [Part 2] Cops Against Systemic Racism: Ed Cronin & Mike Alexander's Journey [Part 1]

  Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating

  ]]>Join Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People, the podcast that brings real talk and real change to the forefront.

  In a society where race, culture, and identity are often sources of division, bridging the conversation on race and equity is imperative. By fostering open and honest dialogues, organizations can create safe spaces for employees to share their experiences and perspectives, ultimately leading to a more inclusive and equitable workplace.

  Simma Lieberman, Sally Helgesen, and Mercedes Martin explored the importance of bridging the conversation on race and equity during their discussion. They acknowledged the challenges of fostering these dialogues and shared their experiences in navigating the complexities of identity, race, and belonging.

  Sally reflected on her close relationships with African Americans throughout her life and the impact of their struggles on shaping her understanding of race and equity.

  Mercedes, an Afro-Latina woman from Cuba, spoke about her purpose in helping organizations tackle diversity and inclusion by shifting mindsets and embracing collaboration.

  In this episode, you will be able to:

  ● Discover the significance of uniting as a team to create an all-embracing workplace environment.

  •Embrace the benefits of acknowledging various personal histories and experiences.

  • Acquire tools for seeking common ground and defusing challenging situations to resolve conflicts and misunderstandings

  ● Explore the expansion of diversity beyond gender, focusing on race and values.

  ● Recognize the importance of appreciating different backgrounds and experiences.

  ● Understand the role of individual change in sustaining diversity and inclusion among leaders.

  ● Learn how to identify commonalities and navigate through difficult situations to overcome division and polarization.

  During the episode, Sally Helgesen and Mercedes Martin shared their personal experiences and emphasized the importance of fostering a sense of belonging within the workplace. They discussed the power of embracing people's diverse backgrounds, experiences, and perspectives in order to build stronger connections and more effective workforces. Simma Lieberman highlighted the need to support one another and rise together in the pursuit of inclusion and equity, sharing insights from both Sally's and Mercedes's experiences in the field.

  Sally, Mercedes and Simma discuss the urgency of sustainable change and emphasize that in order to sustain change, it is necessary to start from within. They talk about the importance of transforming oneself along with the organization and how change management needs to involve everyone in the organization. They also talk about the fear of leadership in addressing diversity and inclusion, especially pertaining to race, and how it needs to start with a clear why and work with the leadership in understanding the need for change.

  The key moments in this episode are:

  00:01:13 - Introduction of Sally Helgesen

  00:02:26 - Introduction of Mercedes Martin

  00:06:49 - Sally Helgesen's motivation for writing "Rising Together"

  00:09:53 - Introduction of Mercedes Martin's background and cultural identity

  00:19:07 - Creating a Culture of Inclusion

  00:22:23 - The Importance of Inclusive Leadership

  00:24:10 - Bridging the Conversation on Race and Equity

  00:27:20 - Multiple Identities and Belonging

  00:35:33 - The Importance of Self-reflection

  00:37:24 - Importance of Authentic Leadership for Inclusion

  00:39:05 - Characteristics of Inclusive Leadership

  00:42:43 - Sustainable Change: Individual and Systemic Change

  00:48:00 - Inhabiting the Middle Amidst Polarization

  Guest Bio

  Sally Helgesen is a renowned expert on women's leadership and an internationally bestselling author, speaker, and leadership coach. Honored in Forbes as the world's premier expert on women's leadership, she has been inducted into the Thinkers 50 Hall of Fame, which recognizes influential leaders in the field of leadership worldwide. Ranked number three among the world's thought leaders by Global Gurus, Sally has recently released her book, Rising Together, which offers practical ways to build more inclusive relationships, teams, and workplaces.

  Mercedes Martin is a native Spanish-speaking international executive coach and consultant from Cuba with a wealth of experience in global leadership, diversity, and sustainability development. Working with Fortune 50 companies such as PepsiCo, Proctor and Gamble, Shell Oil, and Kellogg's, Mercedes has helped senior leaders, women, and people of color rise in their careers. As the founder of Mercedes Martin and Company, she continues to focus on supporting leadership in rewiring their mindset and embracing conversations on diversity, equity, and belonging.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me: Instagram Facebook YouTube Twitter LinkedIn TiktokWebsite

  Previous Episodes

  Rising Above Racism: Dr. Randal Pinkett's Journey to DEI Expertise Cops Against Systemic Racism: Ed Cronin & Mike Alexander's Journey [Part 2] Cops Against Systemic Racism: Ed Cronin & Mike Alexander's Journey [Part 1]

  Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating

  ]]>c4d9ee93-45dd-427d-9aea-8f246f04b678Fri, 16 Jun 2023 08:02:49 -070054:12falsefull11061061Rising Above Racism: Dr. Randal Pinkett's Journey to DEI ExpertiseFrom being called the N-word as a child to becoming a successful entrepreneur and leader in the pursuit of racial equality and justice, Randal Pinkett's very personal story is a testament to courage and resilience. Yet, despite his success, Randal still faces an unexpected challenge: convincing organizations to embrace the power of race to drive meaningful change.

  After 30 years in business, Randal Pinkett, a trained computer scientist and DEI expert, faced an ironic twist of fate when an acquisitions editor at his publisher challenges him to confront his own deeply held beliefs and write a book on Data Driven DEI, forcing him to embark on a journey to change the people, and ultimately the organizations, around him.

  Are you frustrated with trying to improve DEI in your organization, only to be met with stagnant results? Discover how to break through the status quo by leveraging data-driven solutions, targeted universalism strategies, meaningful conversations about race, and effective leadership to cultivate real change.

  Key Takeaways:

  • Dr. Randal Pinkett's personal journey as a young Black man impacted by racism that led him to become a leader in Diversity, Equity and Inclusion.
  
  

  • Harness data-driven tools to effectively measure diversity, equity, and inclusion.

  • What it means to apply targeted universalism strategies to fight systemic racism and promote equality.

  • Navigate challenging racial conversations for constructive and positive outcomes.

  • Comprehend the critical role of leadership in cultivating inclusive work environments.

  • Investigate the effects of social media echo chambers on society and individuals.

  
  

  00:02 - Introduction, Simma Lieberman introduces the podcast and the guest, Dr. Randall Pinkett, who is an entrepreneur, innovator, and DEI expert. She also talks about the purpose of the podcast, which is to have comfortable conversations about race between people of different races. 02:47 - About Randall Pinkett and Data Driven DEI, Randall Pinkett talks about his background, growing up as a Black person in a predominantly White neighborhood, and his experience of racism at a young age. He also discusses his book, Data Driven DEI which focuses on personal and organizational assessments to promote diversity, equity, and inclusion. 08:10 - People Change, Randall Pinkett emphasizes that organizations don't change, people do. He explains that for any organization to transform, individuals must undertake a personal journey of self-reflection and growth. He also talks about the importance of targeting his book towards everyday people, who want to foster more diverse relationships and inclusive behaviors. 09:10 - Randall Pinkett's Entrepreneurial Journey, How his entrepreneurial journey, began at the age of 21 when he started a Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion training company with three other Black men. He talks about his desire to make a difference in the world and how he centered his company on addressing societal issues as an outgrowth of his lived experiences. 14:30 - Making a Difference in the World, College years in the 1990s, a time when hip hop was coming of age, and there were growing conversations around black consciousness and black economic empowerment. He and his business partners wanted to make a difference in the world and they used their entrepreneurial spirit to address societal issues. 16:26 - The Importance of Giving Back, How growing up in a religious household and being a man of faith has taught him to use his talents and gifts to benefit others. Randal Pinkett believes that success is what you do for yourself, while greatness is what you do for others. 18:20 - The Importance of Addressing Racism in DEI, Pinkett highlights that race is a key identifier when looking at differences in how people experience the world. He stresses the need to assess ourselves for racial biases and preferences and to address them head-on, as they are often the most challenging and polarizing factors in DEI conversations. 24:39 - Taking a Nuanced Approach to Inclusion, Pinkett discusses the importance of breaking down data by different demographic identifiers when assessing inclusion in organizations. He stresses that averages can obscure the experiences of subgroups and that it's critical to identify and address the needs of those who are not being included. 29:36 - The Importance of Seeking Diverse Perspectives, seeking out diverse perspectives when working on DEI initiatives. Being a narrow expert in one dimension can create blind spots and prevent the development of effective solutions. To achieve true diversity, equity, and inclusion, we must be willing to step out of our comfort zones and seek growth through diverse perspectives. 31:13 - Overcoming Divisiveness in DEI, Pinkett acknowledges that the current political climate has seen an unfortunate mischaracterization of DEI as a divisive movement. He stresses that DEI is actually a countercultural movement that seeks to promote equity and inclusion for all, and that we must work to overcome divisive rhetoric and bridge divides in order to achieve progress. 31:53 - The Importance of Speaking Up, Randal Pinkett emphasizes that it is important to speak up when someone says something wrong or offensive. He believes that people have a responsibility to help others see their mistakes and learn from them. He also discusses the idea of targeted universalism and how it can help achieve diversity, equity, and inclusion goals. 36:11 - Overcoming Personal Biases, Randal Pinkett talks about his greatest challenge in the DEI space, which was being an American from the Northeast. He shares how studying at Oxford and being exposed to different cultures helped him overcome his biases and gain a fuller appreciation for diversity. 39:12 - Dispelling Myths about Racial Equality, Randal Pinkett discusses the myth that remaining silent is better than speaking out about issues of race and racism. He also talks about the myth that individuals are the problem when it comes to racism, rather than the systems and institutions that allow racism to persist. 43:26 - The Four Dimensions of Racism, Randal Pinkett explains the four dimensions of racism: personal, interpersonal, institutional, and systemic. He emphasizes the importance of addressing institutional and systemic racism in addition to personal and interpersonal racism to develop comprehensive solutions. 45:57 - The Myth of Colorblindness, Randal Pinkett challenges the myth that being colorblind is the gold standard for seeing other people. He explains that denying someone's race, gender, or disability status can lead to treating them unfairly and that individuation, seeing people as individuals, is a better approach. 47:41 - Music Playlist, 49:28 - Relevant Films and Documentaries, 51:48 - Randall Pinkett's Books, 54:08 - Building Bridges, Pinkett urges people to get out of their communities of the like-minded and build bridges to connect with people of different backgrounds and ideologies to save democracy. He emphasizes that bridge-building is crucial for connecting neighborhoods, communities, and people who would otherwise be disconnected.

  Guests Bio

  Dr. Randal Pinkett has established himself as an entrepreneur, speaker, author and scholar, and as a leading voice for his generation in business and technology. He is the founder, chairman, and CEO of his fifth venture, BCT Partners, a multimillion-dollar research, consulting, training, technology, and analytics firm headquartered in Newark, New Jersey.

  He is also the first Black person to win "The Apprentice" in 2005.

  In addition, he has appeared numerous times on networks such as MSNBC, CNN, and Fox Business News as an expert on topics ranging from business and politics to diversity and inclusion to technology and innovation.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me: Instagram Facebook YouTube Twitter LinkedIn Website

  Previous Episodes

  Cops Against Systemic Racism: Ed Cronin & Mike Alexander's Journey [Part 2] Cops Against Systemic Racism: Ed Cronin & Mike Alexander's Journey [Part 1] Dr. Joel A Davis Brown: Challenging Norms &...]]>From being called the N-word as a child to becoming a successful entrepreneur and leader in the pursuit of racial equality and justice, Randal Pinkett's very personal story is a testament to courage and resilience. Yet, despite his success, Randal still faces an unexpected challenge: convincing organizations to embrace the power of race to drive meaningful change.

  After 30 years in business, Randal Pinkett, a trained computer scientist and DEI expert, faced an ironic twist of fate when an acquisitions editor at his publisher challenges him to confront his own deeply held beliefs and write a book on Data Driven DEI, forcing him to embark on a journey to change the people, and ultimately the organizations, around him.

  Are you frustrated with trying to improve DEI in your organization, only to be met with stagnant results? Discover how to break through the status quo by leveraging data-driven solutions, targeted universalism strategies, meaningful conversations about race, and effective leadership to cultivate real change.

  Key Takeaways:

  • Dr. Randal Pinkett's personal journey as a young Black man impacted by racism that led him to become a leader in Diversity, Equity and Inclusion.
  
  

  • Harness data-driven tools to effectively measure diversity, equity, and inclusion.

  • What it means to apply targeted universalism strategies to fight systemic racism and promote equality.

  • Navigate challenging racial conversations for constructive and positive outcomes.

  • Comprehend the critical role of leadership in cultivating inclusive work environments.

  • Investigate the effects of social media echo chambers on society and individuals.

  
  

  00:02 - Introduction, Simma Lieberman introduces the podcast and the guest, Dr. Randall Pinkett, who is an entrepreneur, innovator, and DEI expert. She also talks about the purpose of the podcast, which is to have comfortable conversations about race between people of different races. 02:47 - About Randall Pinkett and Data Driven DEI, Randall Pinkett talks about his background, growing up as a Black person in a predominantly White neighborhood, and his experience of racism at a young age. He also discusses his book, Data Driven DEI which focuses on personal and organizational assessments to promote diversity, equity, and inclusion. 08:10 - People Change, Randall Pinkett emphasizes that organizations don't change, people do. He explains that for any organization to transform, individuals must undertake a personal journey of self-reflection and growth. He also talks about the importance of targeting his book towards everyday people, who want to foster more diverse relationships and inclusive behaviors. 09:10 - Randall Pinkett's Entrepreneurial Journey, How his entrepreneurial journey, began at the age of 21 when he started a Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion training company with three other Black men. He talks about his desire to make a difference in the world and how he centered his company on addressing societal issues as an outgrowth of his lived experiences. 14:30 - Making a Difference in the World, College years in the 1990s, a time when hip hop was coming of age, and there were growing conversations around black consciousness and black economic empowerment. He and his business partners wanted to make a difference in the world and they used their entrepreneurial spirit to address societal issues. 16:26 - The Importance of Giving Back, How growing up in a religious household and being a man of faith has taught him to use his talents and gifts to benefit others. Randal Pinkett believes that success is what you do for yourself, while greatness is what you do for others. 18:20 - The Importance of Addressing Racism in DEI, Pinkett highlights that race is a key identifier when looking at differences in how people experience the world. He stresses the need to assess ourselves for racial biases and preferences and to address them head-on, as they are often the most challenging and polarizing factors in DEI conversations. 24:39 - Taking a Nuanced Approach to Inclusion, Pinkett discusses the importance of breaking down data by different demographic identifiers when assessing inclusion in organizations. He stresses that averages can obscure the experiences of subgroups and that it's critical to identify and address the needs of those who are not being included. 29:36 - The Importance of Seeking Diverse Perspectives, seeking out diverse perspectives when working on DEI initiatives. Being a narrow expert in one dimension can create blind spots and prevent the development of effective solutions. To achieve true diversity, equity, and inclusion, we must be willing to step out of our comfort zones and seek growth through diverse perspectives. 31:13 - Overcoming Divisiveness in DEI, Pinkett acknowledges that the current political climate has seen an unfortunate mischaracterization of DEI as a divisive movement. He stresses that DEI is actually a countercultural movement that seeks to promote equity and inclusion for all, and that we must work to overcome divisive rhetoric and bridge divides in order to achieve progress. 31:53 - The Importance of Speaking Up, Randal Pinkett emphasizes that it is important to speak up when someone says something wrong or offensive. He believes that people have a responsibility to help others see their mistakes and learn from them. He also discusses the idea of targeted universalism and how it can help achieve diversity, equity, and inclusion goals. 36:11 - Overcoming Personal Biases, Randal Pinkett talks about his greatest challenge in the DEI space, which was being an American from the Northeast. He shares how studying at Oxford and being exposed to different cultures helped him overcome his biases and gain a fuller appreciation for diversity. 39:12 - Dispelling Myths about Racial Equality, Randal Pinkett discusses the myth that remaining silent is better than speaking out about issues of race and racism. He also talks about the myth that individuals are the problem when it comes to racism, rather than the systems and institutions that allow racism to persist. 43:26 - The Four Dimensions of Racism, Randal Pinkett explains the four dimensions of racism: personal, interpersonal, institutional, and systemic. He emphasizes the importance of addressing institutional and systemic racism in addition to personal and interpersonal racism to develop comprehensive solutions. 45:57 - The Myth of Colorblindness, Randal Pinkett challenges the myth that being colorblind is the gold standard for seeing other people. He explains that denying someone's race, gender, or disability status can lead to treating them unfairly and that individuation, seeing people as individuals, is a better approach. 47:41 - Music Playlist, 49:28 - Relevant Films and Documentaries, 51:48 - Randall Pinkett's Books, 54:08 - Building Bridges, Pinkett urges people to get out of their communities of the like-minded and build bridges to connect with people of different backgrounds and ideologies to save democracy. He emphasizes that bridge-building is crucial for connecting neighborhoods, communities, and people who would otherwise be disconnected.

  Guests Bio

  Dr. Randal Pinkett has established himself as an entrepreneur, speaker, author and scholar, and as a leading voice for his generation in business and technology. He is the founder, chairman, and CEO of his fifth venture, BCT Partners, a multimillion-dollar research, consulting, training, technology, and analytics firm headquartered in Newark, New Jersey.

  He is also the first Black person to win "The Apprentice" in 2005.

  In addition, he has appeared numerous times on networks such as MSNBC, CNN, and Fox Business News as an expert on topics ranging from business and politics to diversity and inclusion to technology and innovation.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Connect with me: Instagram Facebook YouTube Twitter LinkedIn Website

  Previous Episodes

  Cops Against Systemic Racism: Ed Cronin & Mike Alexander's Journey [Part 2] Cops Against Systemic Racism: Ed Cronin & Mike Alexander's Journey [Part 1] Dr. Joel A Davis Brown: Challenging Norms & Exploring Queer Leadership in an Unpredictable World

  Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating

  ]]>764ccd61-ffba-4fb6-9a59-ac55f6fd320fFri, 26 May 2023 08:56:35 -070057:00falsefull11051051Cops Against Systemic Racism: Ed Cronin & Mike Alexander's Journey [Part 2]In part 2 of this conversation on race, former police chiefs Ed Cronin and Mike Alexander, continue to address the problem of systemic racism in law enforcement, how it has impacted them personally and offer solutions. This is a deeply honest and open conversation on race, racism and the criminal justice system from two former senior police officers.

  Systemic Racism in Law Enforcement and How to End It

  As a Black police officer in Texas, Mike Alexander faced not only bias, prejudice and racism from his White peers but also from some of the communities he served.

  Ed Cronin shares what it was like for him as a white police officer when he became aware of the systemic racism in the department and its impact on the communities he served. Hear his story of how he developed empathy and connection.

  By carrying out open and honest conversations about race and racism, it's possible to find approaches that can contribute to a more just and understanding future. In the episode, Ed Cronin discusses his initial assumptions that police officers would be compassionate and empathetic, only to learn about the corruption present in the force. He believes that his own experiences of trauma and violence resonate with the Black community's experience.

  Across the world, systemic racism exists in law enforcement and impacts the fair application of law and order. It's essential to recognize and address this persistent problem to create an equitable environment for people of all races and backgrounds. Acknowledging and being aware of systemic racism helps individuals understand and empathize with the experiences of those disproportionately affected by this phenomenon. In Part 2, of Cops Against Systemic Racism, Mike and Ed envision the changes that are possible in the police department to dismantle systemic racism and make a difference in low-income and non-white communities.

  After listening to this episode, you will be able to:

  · Understand the impact of systemic racism on law enforcement practices.

  · Discover the pivotal role of community-focused policing in building trust.

  · Learn the importance of empathy, de-escalation, and bias training in police work.

  · See the benefits of embracing diversity and inclusivity in police departments.

  · Explore how technology can advance transparency and work toward positive reform.

  • Gain new insights and envision how a police force can serve communities and dismantle systemic racism

  The key moments in this episode are:

  04:48 - The Police are Doing What Some of the Public Wants Them to Do, While Other Members of the Public are Harassed and Mistreated,

  08:19 - The Problem with Bias in Law Enforcement, 16:30 - Solutions to Address Systemic Racism in Law Enforcement, 19:30 - The Role of Psychological Safety, 43:00 - Showing Empathy and Lack of Empathy. Lessons in Power, Police and Community 46:28 - Neighborhood Architecture and Systemic Racism, 48:05 - Building Relationships Between Law Enforcement and Community

  Guests Bio

  Ed Cronin has worked in the law enforcement field for over 35 years. His career includes experience as a Police Chief in two cities in Massachusetts. He holds a graduate degree in Criminal Justice Management along with an advanced graduate degree in Organizational Development and Systems Thinking from Suffolk University. He is also a certified executive coach. (Institute of Professional Excellence in Coaching)

  Mike Alexander is a nationally recognized expert in training and leadership coaching, a specialty that began and flourished during his 38-year career in law enforcement and has defined the years following his retirement from service. Through the U.S. Department of Justice Community Policing Divisions, the thirty-six (36) Regional Community Policing Institute, the Multi-jurisdictional Counterdrug Task Force Training Center, the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, the Texas Municipal League, the International Law Enforcement Administration, and the Texas Police Chiefs Association, he has traveled the nation training officers and community members on ethics and integrity.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Previous Episodes

  Cops Against Systemic Racism: Ed Cronin & Mike Alexander's Journey [Part 1] Dr. Joel A Davis Brown: Challenging Norms & Exploring Queer Leadership in an Unpredictable World From Harlem to Harvard: How Dorien Nuñez Tackled the Racial Wealth Disparity]]>In part 2 of this conversation on race, former police chiefs Ed Cronin and Mike Alexander, continue to address the problem of systemic racism in law enforcement, how it has impacted them personally and offer solutions. This is a deeply honest and open conversation on race, racism and the criminal justice system from two former senior police officers.

  Systemic Racism in Law Enforcement and How to End It

  As a Black police officer in Texas, Mike Alexander faced not only bias, prejudice and racism from his White peers but also from some of the communities he served.

  Ed Cronin shares what it was like for him as a white police officer when he became aware of the systemic racism in the department and its impact on the communities he served. Hear his story of how he developed empathy and connection.

  By carrying out open and honest conversations about race and racism, it's possible to find approaches that can contribute to a more just and understanding future. In the episode, Ed Cronin discusses his initial assumptions that police officers would be compassionate and empathetic, only to learn about the corruption present in the force. He believes that his own experiences of trauma and violence resonate with the Black community's experience.

  Across the world, systemic racism exists in law enforcement and impacts the fair application of law and order. It's essential to recognize and address this persistent problem to create an equitable environment for people of all races and backgrounds. Acknowledging and being aware of systemic racism helps individuals understand and empathize with the experiences of those disproportionately affected by this phenomenon. In Part 2, of Cops Against Systemic Racism, Mike and Ed envision the changes that are possible in the police department to dismantle systemic racism and make a difference in low-income and non-white communities.

  After listening to this episode, you will be able to:

  · Understand the impact of systemic racism on law enforcement practices.

  · Discover the pivotal role of community-focused policing in building trust.

  · Learn the importance of empathy, de-escalation, and bias training in police work.

  · See the benefits of embracing diversity and inclusivity in police departments.

  · Explore how technology can advance transparency and work toward positive reform.

  • Gain new insights and envision how a police force can serve communities and dismantle systemic racism

  The key moments in this episode are:

  04:48 - The Police are Doing What Some of the Public Wants Them to Do, While Other Members of the Public are Harassed and Mistreated,

  08:19 - The Problem with Bias in Law Enforcement, 16:30 - Solutions to Address Systemic Racism in Law Enforcement, 19:30 - The Role of Psychological Safety, 43:00 - Showing Empathy and Lack of Empathy. Lessons in Power, Police and Community 46:28 - Neighborhood Architecture and Systemic Racism, 48:05 - Building Relationships Between Law Enforcement and Community

  Guests Bio

  Ed Cronin has worked in the law enforcement field for over 35 years. His career includes experience as a Police Chief in two cities in Massachusetts. He holds a graduate degree in Criminal Justice Management along with an advanced graduate degree in Organizational Development and Systems Thinking from Suffolk University. He is also a certified executive coach. (Institute of Professional Excellence in Coaching)

  Mike Alexander is a nationally recognized expert in training and leadership coaching, a specialty that began and flourished during his 38-year career in law enforcement and has defined the years following his retirement from service. Through the U.S. Department of Justice Community Policing Divisions, the thirty-six (36) Regional Community Policing Institute, the Multi-jurisdictional Counterdrug Task Force Training Center, the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, the Texas Municipal League, the International Law Enforcement Administration, and the Texas Police Chiefs Association, he has traveled the nation training officers and community members on ethics and integrity.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Previous Episodes

  Cops Against Systemic Racism: Ed Cronin & Mike Alexander's Journey [Part 1] Dr. Joel A Davis Brown: Challenging Norms & Exploring Queer Leadership in an Unpredictable World From Harlem to Harvard: How Dorien Nuñez Tackled the Racial Wealth Disparity]]>3c3331e6-3d3f-4e28-8f0a-9e7089540466Mon, 15 May 2023 17:00:00 -070049:18falsefull11041041Cops Against Systemic Racism: Ed Cronin & Mike Alexander's Journey [Part 1]

  You want to listen to this conversation on race with former police chiefs, Ed Cronin and Mike Alexander about the problem and of systemic racism in law enforcement and the solutions to end it.

  In this two part podcast episode, Ed Cronin and Mike Alexander, two police officers with vastly different backgrounds, strive to bridge the immense divide between the awareness of systemic racism in law enforcement, and the reality of it through honest conversations and courageous leadership.

  Systemic Racism in Law Enforcement and How to End It

  Mike Alexander shares his story of being a Black police officer and the struggles he faced with biases and prejudices from his White peers. Both guests agree about the presence of systemic racism within law enforcement, with Mike recognizing the operating system perpetuating this in the force.

  By carrying out open and honest conversations about race and racism, it's possible to find approaches that can contribute to a more just and understanding future. In the episode, Ed Cronin discusses his initial assumptions that police officers would be compassionate and empathetic, only to learn about the corruption present in the force. He believes that his own experiences of trauma and violence resonate with the Black community's experience.

  Across the world, systemic racism exists in law enforcement and impacts the fair application of law and order. It's essential to recognize and address this persistent problem to create an equitable environment for people of all races and backgrounds. Acknowledging and being aware of systemic racism helps individuals understand and empathize with the experiences of those disproportionately affected by this phenomenon.

  After listening to this episode, you will be able to:

  · Understand the impact of systemic racism on law enforcement practices.

  · Discover the pivotal role of community-focused policing in building trust.

  · Learn the importance of empathy, de-escalation, and bias training in police work.

  · See the benefits of embracing diversity and inclusivity in police departments.

  · Explore how technology can advance transparency and work toward positive reform.

  The key moments in this episode are:

  00:01:31 - Mike Alexander's background and experience as a Black police officer and then a police-chief in Texas

  00:08:01 - Ed Cronin's background and experience as a White police officer and police-chief in Massachusetts and how he developed an awareness of racism in the police-department

  00:11:44 - Different Forms of Leadership

  00:17:22 - Finding Empowerment and Overcoming Experiences

  00:18:03 - Becoming a Police Officer

  00:24:31 - Dealing with Racism as a Black Police Officer

  00:27:57 - Addressing Micro Issues to Mitigate Macro Issues

  00:30:41 - The Potential and Struggle of Law Enforcement

  00:34:54 - Overcoming Addiction and Learning About the Problem

  00:37:19 - Racism is Real and Needs to Be Addressed

  00:40:16 - One Hand Tied Behind the Back When Addressing Injustice, Racism and Bias in the Police Department

  00:43:31 - The System of Systemic Racism in Law Enforcement

  Guest Bio

  Ed Cronin has worked in the law enforcement field for over 35 years. His career includes experience as a Police Chief in two cities in Massachusetts. He holds a graduate degree in Criminal Justice Management along with an advanced graduate degree in Organizational Development and Systems Thinking from Suffolk University. He is also a certified executive coach. (Institute of Professional Excellence in Coaching)

  Mike Alexander is a nationally recognized expert in training and leadership coaching, a specialty that began and flourished during his 38-year career in law enforcement and has defined the years following his retirement from service. Through the U.S. Department of Justice Community Policing Divisions, the thirty-six (36) Regional Community Policing Institute, the Multi-jurisdictional Counterdrug Task Force Training Center, the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, the Texas Municipal League, the International Law Enforcement Administration, and the Texas Police Chiefs Association, he has traveled the nation training officers and community members on ethics and integrity.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Previous Episodes

  Joel A Davis Brown: Challenging Norms & Exploring Queer Leadership in an Unpredictable World

  From Harlem to Harvard: How Dorien Nunez Tackled the Racial Wealth Disparity Unraveling Racial History: Benjamin Jealous's Quest for Freedom]]>

  You want to listen to this conversation on race with former police chiefs, Ed Cronin and Mike Alexander about the problem and of systemic racism in law enforcement and the solutions to end it.

  In this two part podcast episode, Ed Cronin and Mike Alexander, two police officers with vastly different backgrounds, strive to bridge the immense divide between the awareness of systemic racism in law enforcement, and the reality of it through honest conversations and courageous leadership.

  Systemic Racism in Law Enforcement and How to End It

  Mike Alexander shares his story of being a Black police officer and the struggles he faced with biases and prejudices from his White peers. Both guests agree about the presence of systemic racism within law enforcement, with Mike recognizing the operating system perpetuating this in the force.

  By carrying out open and honest conversations about race and racism, it's possible to find approaches that can contribute to a more just and understanding future. In the episode, Ed Cronin discusses his initial assumptions that police officers would be compassionate and empathetic, only to learn about the corruption present in the force. He believes that his own experiences of trauma and violence resonate with the Black community's experience.

  Across the world, systemic racism exists in law enforcement and impacts the fair application of law and order. It's essential to recognize and address this persistent problem to create an equitable environment for people of all races and backgrounds. Acknowledging and being aware of systemic racism helps individuals understand and empathize with the experiences of those disproportionately affected by this phenomenon.

  After listening to this episode, you will be able to:

  · Understand the impact of systemic racism on law enforcement practices.

  · Discover the pivotal role of community-focused policing in building trust.

  · Learn the importance of empathy, de-escalation, and bias training in police work.

  · See the benefits of embracing diversity and inclusivity in police departments.

  · Explore how technology can advance transparency and work toward positive reform.

  The key moments in this episode are:

  00:01:31 - Mike Alexander's background and experience as a Black police officer and then a police-chief in Texas

  00:08:01 - Ed Cronin's background and experience as a White police officer and police-chief in Massachusetts and how he developed an awareness of racism in the police-department

  00:11:44 - Different Forms of Leadership

  00:17:22 - Finding Empowerment and Overcoming Experiences

  00:18:03 - Becoming a Police Officer

  00:24:31 - Dealing with Racism as a Black Police Officer

  00:27:57 - Addressing Micro Issues to Mitigate Macro Issues

  00:30:41 - The Potential and Struggle of Law Enforcement

  00:34:54 - Overcoming Addiction and Learning About the Problem

  00:37:19 - Racism is Real and Needs to Be Addressed

  00:40:16 - One Hand Tied Behind the Back When Addressing Injustice, Racism and Bias in the Police Department

  00:43:31 - The System of Systemic Racism in Law Enforcement

  Guest Bio

  Ed Cronin has worked in the law enforcement field for over 35 years. His career includes experience as a Police Chief in two cities in Massachusetts. He holds a graduate degree in Criminal Justice Management along with an advanced graduate degree in Organizational Development and Systems Thinking from Suffolk University. He is also a certified executive coach. (Institute of Professional Excellence in Coaching)

  Mike Alexander is a nationally recognized expert in training and leadership coaching, a specialty that began and flourished during his 38-year career in law enforcement and has defined the years following his retirement from service. Through the U.S. Department of Justice Community Policing Divisions, the thirty-six (36) Regional Community Policing Institute, the Multi-jurisdictional Counterdrug Task Force Training Center, the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, the Texas Municipal League, the International Law Enforcement Administration, and the Texas Police Chiefs Association, he has traveled the nation training officers and community members on ethics and integrity.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Previous Episodes

  Joel A Davis Brown: Challenging Norms & Exploring Queer Leadership in an Unpredictable World

  From Harlem to Harvard: How Dorien Nunez Tackled the Racial Wealth Disparity Unraveling Racial History: Benjamin Jealous's Quest for Freedom]]>dbee4ac2-71b5-4948-98ae-9eb1ad8b8b04Fri, 28 Apr 2023 12:56:03 -070047:17falsefull11071071Dr. Joel A Davis Brown: Challenging Norms & Exploring Queer Leadership in an Unpredictable WorldDr. Joel A. Davis Brown is an author, educator, and LGBTQ activist. He is the author of the book The Souls of Queer Folk, which explores the power of queer wisdom and its potential to transform leadership practices. Dr. Joel A Davis Brown set out to explore what it meant to be queer, but found that his research didn't satisfy him. With encouragement from friends, he wrote a book to explore the answer to this question. In The Souls of Queer Folk, he shares the wisdom of the queer community that has enabled queer people to survive and thrive in a hostile world. He argues that this wisdom can help us all to navigate our increasingly volatile society and elevate our leadership practice. He reminds us that queer people are strong and have been fighting for their rights for centuries, and that it is important to stay focused on those who need the most attention.

  In this episode, you will learn the following: 1. What is queer wisdom and why is it important? 2. What are LGBTQ leadership lessons and how can they elevate and transform leadership practice? 3. What is the inclusion paradox and how does it illustrate the current situation for marginalized communities? Chapter Summaries:

  [00:02:39] Joel Brown introduces his book called The Souls of Queer Folk. Joel talks about Queer Wisdom and its importance.

  [00:08:03] Inclusion paradox: The idea that seemingly, if you just look at television and pop culture and media, it could feel like we have a lot more rights than we do. That in and of itself, makes it hard for people to understand that we are actually dealing with very unprecedented, dangerous times. [00:17:59] The wisdom that our community has provided has helped people to avoid discrimination, recrimination and death. And the queer wisdom is informed by a number of different communities. What leadership comes down to is giving yourself permission to be yourself. [00:21:40] Simma asks:

  So what made you, Joel Brown, Black gay man who was successful, very successful, made you decide to write this book?

  Joe says, "If I may say so myself. I didn't seek to write a book. I think, you know me. I'm doing my thing."

  [00:25:49] When we think about culture, we have to recognize that there are three different layers of culture. There are common things and themes that separate the LGBTQ community or distinguish us from others. Are there differences based on the subgroups?

  I'm not trying to say that everybody's the same, but there are values, and the values would tie us together, and that's what helps us to build community. There's a qualitative difference in terms of how people socialize. The work, of course, there's more work to be done [00:33:32] In every culture, every group that's been oppressed, there's some parts of culture that are as a result of the oppression. But there's also some parts that are just like part of the culture. It's hard to separate a culture from a system because this is the system as we know it. [00:43:41] Leadership is not just about leading the organization, leading the workforce or leading the team. It's about leading yourself. The queer community has insight and wisdom that can help people to figure out how to reclaim their voice, to be resilient and to be adaptive.

  [00:49:03]

  Joel's playlist: "I'm listening to a lot of Afrobeats. Also listening to music from Belgium, particularly Brussels. A lot of the hot Hip Hop and R&B in Europe are coming from there."

  [00:56:17] Joel Anthony Davis Brown talks about his new book, "The Souls of Queer folk" How understanding LGBTQ culture can transform your leadership practice.

  Guest Bio Dr. Joel A. Davis Brown is the Chief Visionary Officer of Pneumos LLC, a management consulting company based in San Francisco, California, and Nairobi, Kenya, specializing in cultural intelligence, leadership development, organizational strategy and change management, and strategic storytelling. Joel is also the co-owner of the Global Inclusion Certification Program, a training and certification company that trains practitioners to support equity work and systems change on a global scale. for As a change agent, Joel works strategically with organizational leaders and professionals to cultivate innovative, creative, and adaptive environments where the cultural genius of everyone can be harnessed and leveraged successfully. In particular, Joel works with organizational clients to foster psychological safety, healing, belonging, and transformation. His work spans 5 continents. His mission is to facilitate liberation for every global citizen.

  Connect with me: Instagram Facebook YouTube Twitter LinkedIn Website

  Previous Episodes: From Harlem to Harvard: How Dorien Nuñez Tackled the Racial Wealth Disparity Unraveling Racial History: Benjamin Jealous's Quest for Freedom Navigating Racism and Inclusion with Greg Jenkins, Nirupa Netram, and Elinor Stutz

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  ]]>Dr. Joel A. Davis Brown is an author, educator, and LGBTQ activist. He is the author of the book The Souls of Queer Folk, which explores the power of queer wisdom and its potential to transform leadership practices. Dr. Joel A Davis Brown set out to explore what it meant to be queer, but found that his research didn't satisfy him. With encouragement from friends, he wrote a book to explore the answer to this question. In The Souls of Queer Folk, he shares the wisdom of the queer community that has enabled queer people to survive and thrive in a hostile world. He argues that this wisdom can help us all to navigate our increasingly volatile society and elevate our leadership practice. He reminds us that queer people are strong and have been fighting for their rights for centuries, and that it is important to stay focused on those who need the most attention.

  In this episode, you will learn the following: 1. What is queer wisdom and why is it important? 2. What are LGBTQ leadership lessons and how can they elevate and transform leadership practice? 3. What is the inclusion paradox and how does it illustrate the current situation for marginalized communities? Chapter Summaries:

  [00:02:39] Joel Brown introduces his book called The Souls of Queer Folk. Joel talks about Queer Wisdom and its importance.

  [00:08:03] Inclusion paradox: The idea that seemingly, if you just look at television and pop culture and media, it could feel like we have a lot more rights than we do. That in and of itself, makes it hard for people to understand that we are actually dealing with very unprecedented, dangerous times. [00:17:59] The wisdom that our community has provided has helped people to avoid discrimination, recrimination and death. And the queer wisdom is informed by a number of different communities. What leadership comes down to is giving yourself permission to be yourself. [00:21:40] Simma asks:

  So what made you, Joel Brown, Black gay man who was successful, very successful, made you decide to write this book?

  Joe says, "If I may say so myself. I didn't seek to write a book. I think, you know me. I'm doing my thing."

  [00:25:49] When we think about culture, we have to recognize that there are three different layers of culture. There are common things and themes that separate the LGBTQ community or distinguish us from others. Are there differences based on the subgroups?

  I'm not trying to say that everybody's the same, but there are values, and the values would tie us together, and that's what helps us to build community. There's a qualitative difference in terms of how people socialize. The work, of course, there's more work to be done [00:33:32] In every culture, every group that's been oppressed, there's some parts of culture that are as a result of the oppression. But there's also some parts that are just like part of the culture. It's hard to separate a culture from a system because this is the system as we know it. [00:43:41] Leadership is not just about leading the organization, leading the workforce or leading the team. It's about leading yourself. The queer community has insight and wisdom that can help people to figure out how to reclaim their voice, to be resilient and to be adaptive.

  [00:49:03]

  Joel's playlist: "I'm listening to a lot of Afrobeats. Also listening to music from Belgium, particularly Brussels. A lot of the hot Hip Hop and R&B in Europe are coming from there."

  [00:56:17] Joel Anthony Davis Brown talks about his new book, "The Souls of Queer folk" How understanding LGBTQ culture can transform your leadership practice.

  Guest Bio Dr. Joel A. Davis Brown is the Chief Visionary Officer of Pneumos LLC, a management consulting company based in San Francisco, California, and Nairobi, Kenya, specializing in cultural intelligence, leadership development, organizational strategy and change management, and strategic storytelling. Joel is also the co-owner of the Global Inclusion Certification Program, a training and certification company that trains practitioners to support equity work and systems change on a global scale. for As a change agent, Joel works strategically with organizational leaders and professionals to cultivate innovative, creative, and adaptive environments where the cultural genius of everyone can be harnessed and leveraged successfully. In particular, Joel works with organizational clients to foster psychological safety, healing, belonging, and transformation. His work spans 5 continents. His mission is to facilitate liberation for every global citizen.

  Connect with me: Instagram Facebook YouTube Twitter LinkedIn Website

  Previous Episodes: From Harlem to Harvard: How Dorien Nuñez Tackled the Racial Wealth Disparity Unraveling Racial History: Benjamin Jealous's Quest for Freedom Navigating Racism and Inclusion with Greg Jenkins, Nirupa Netram, and Elinor Stutz

  Related Episodes: Living While Black What is behind the cancel-culture movement? Race, Racism and Hope in 2021

  Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating

  ]]>5e3c8d4a-8d97-4eed-b470-ddedb9f0bc5aTue, 04 Apr 2023 05:48:45 -070001:00:00falsefull11031031From Harlem to Harvard: How Dorien Nuñez Tackled the Racial Wealth Disparity

  Dorien Nuñez is a New York City native, amateur astronomer, and former professional Sax player. He has celebrated 50 years on Wall Street, is a first generation college grad from Harvard, and is a proud alum of the New York City public school system. He is a co-founder of a group of Harvard Black and Latinx alumni serving on corporate boards, and is a Senior Fellow at Intentional Endowments Network.

  Dorien Nuñez's journey to understanding the racial wealth disparity began in his childhood, growing up in Brooklyn but attending an elite mostly White high school in the suburbs. He was inspired by the achievements of people like Benjamin Banneker, and had mentors like his schoolteachers, who helped him develop his talents. At a young age, he began to understand the importance of money and developed entrepreneurial skills. With the help of his mentors, he was accepted to prestigious boarding schools and eventually Harvard Business School. His experiences gave him the insight to understand the systemic issues in capitalism and banking, leading him to dedicate his career to helping others to invest and create wealth. With his commitment to mentorship, Dorien Nuñez is helping to close the racial wealth gap and empower people to create and achieve unlimited success.

  1. Exploring the economic disparities between white and black people in the US.

  2. Investigating the role of mentors and how they help individuals succeed.

  3. Decoding the secrets to becoming a millionaire by investing wisely.

  Chapter Summaries:

  [00:03:21]

  The wealth disparity between black and white people. What does it mean when we talk about generational wealth?

  [00:08:47]

  Dorien was born in Harlem and then moved to Brooklyn. Got a scholarship to go to an elite white boarding school, St. Paul's School in Concord, New Hampshire. His first mentors were his school teachers. Ended up going to Harvard Business School.

  [00:14:55]

  When he was nine years old, he saw an article about the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. His mentors saw something in him and nurtured it. This leads him to try to find and mentor high school students and college students.

  [00:17:32]

  As a child, he was entrepreneurial. "The hardest job to get on Wall Street is your first job." His advice to anybody out there is to learn about money. You can't get rich if you don't know about money.

  [00:23:53]

  Credit scores are important and people can raise their credit scores. All kinds of free services will help you repair your credit. More and more entities are providing capital to people with lower credit scores. Things are getting easier and better, but you still have to take responsibility and get your budget in order.

  [00:31:10]

  "Well, when I went away to boarding school, it was practically all mostly white boarding school. I was there to get a good education, to learn what I could, and to take it back home. That was my mission. At age 14, I knew what I was going to do."

  [00:31:40]

  "The House of Representatives kept Adam Clayton Powell from taking his seat. So if they wanted to, they could keep George Santos in his seat. And in California, they recalled Governor Davis." "We'll send any listeners to this show, who calls in or sends Simma an email a free report on "Ten Things You Could Do To Save Money and Invest and Three Things You Can Teach Your Children."

  [00:34:11]

  The term Redlining comes from when the banks or insurance company would draw a red line around the neighborhood. They would not loan money to people in Black neighborhoods or sell houses to Black people to move into white neighborhoods. Redlining is not as obvious as it has been in the past, but it still exists and it's an impediment. The only solution is to sue them when this happens. You got to make them pay economically.

  [00:36:40]

  Dorien's experience with race and racism. How they were treated differently and that being black is not that easy.

  [00:44:00]

  There are a lot of Black networks that people need to know about and be part of. If you're not part of those natural networks, then you have to find your own and build your own. That's part of wealth building

  [00:49:30]

  What is in Dorien Nuñez's favorite playlist, films, movies, shows, and books?

  Guest Bio

  Dorien Nuñez, Co-Founder and Director of Research, OMNIResearch Group. He is also the Co-founder of OMNI Wall St Advantage. Created the OMNI "WOKE" Investment Research based on his decades of expertise in ESG issues and emerging manager/minority business development programs. Has helped launch venture capital funds and loan programs for woman-owned and minority-owned businesses, raised funds for the Emerging Manager Trust which became FIS (now EXPONA), and continues to consult for new and emerging funds.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Previous Episodes

  Unraveling Racial History: Benjamin Jealous's Quest for Freedom Navigating Racism and Inclusion with Greg Jenkins, Nirupa Netram, and Elinor Stutz Black Fatigue with Mary Frances Winters

  Related Episodes

  Does Culture Fit Hiring Promote Racism?

  Race, Reconciliation, and Transformation

  Changing American Companies from the Top Down

  ]]>

  Dorien Nuñez is a New York City native, amateur astronomer, and former professional Sax player. He has celebrated 50 years on Wall Street, is a first generation college grad from Harvard, and is a proud alum of the New York City public school system. He is a co-founder of a group of Harvard Black and Latinx alumni serving on corporate boards, and is a Senior Fellow at Intentional Endowments Network.

  Dorien Nuñez's journey to understanding the racial wealth disparity began in his childhood, growing up in Brooklyn but attending an elite mostly White high school in the suburbs. He was inspired by the achievements of people like Benjamin Banneker, and had mentors like his schoolteachers, who helped him develop his talents. At a young age, he began to understand the importance of money and developed entrepreneurial skills. With the help of his mentors, he was accepted to prestigious boarding schools and eventually Harvard Business School. His experiences gave him the insight to understand the systemic issues in capitalism and banking, leading him to dedicate his career to helping others to invest and create wealth. With his commitment to mentorship, Dorien Nuñez is helping to close the racial wealth gap and empower people to create and achieve unlimited success.

  1. Exploring the economic disparities between white and black people in the US.

  2. Investigating the role of mentors and how they help individuals succeed.

  3. Decoding the secrets to becoming a millionaire by investing wisely.

  Chapter Summaries:

  [00:03:21]

  The wealth disparity between black and white people. What does it mean when we talk about generational wealth?

  [00:08:47]

  Dorien was born in Harlem and then moved to Brooklyn. Got a scholarship to go to an elite white boarding school, St. Paul's School in Concord, New Hampshire. His first mentors were his school teachers. Ended up going to Harvard Business School.

  [00:14:55]

  When he was nine years old, he saw an article about the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. His mentors saw something in him and nurtured it. This leads him to try to find and mentor high school students and college students.

  [00:17:32]

  As a child, he was entrepreneurial. "The hardest job to get on Wall Street is your first job." His advice to anybody out there is to learn about money. You can't get rich if you don't know about money.

  [00:23:53]

  Credit scores are important and people can raise their credit scores. All kinds of free services will help you repair your credit. More and more entities are providing capital to people with lower credit scores. Things are getting easier and better, but you still have to take responsibility and get your budget in order.

  [00:31:10]

  "Well, when I went away to boarding school, it was practically all mostly white boarding school. I was there to get a good education, to learn what I could, and to take it back home. That was my mission. At age 14, I knew what I was going to do."

  [00:31:40]

  "The House of Representatives kept Adam Clayton Powell from taking his seat. So if they wanted to, they could keep George Santos in his seat. And in California, they recalled Governor Davis." "We'll send any listeners to this show, who calls in or sends Simma an email a free report on "Ten Things You Could Do To Save Money and Invest and Three Things You Can Teach Your Children."

  [00:34:11]

  The term Redlining comes from when the banks or insurance company would draw a red line around the neighborhood. They would not loan money to people in Black neighborhoods or sell houses to Black people to move into white neighborhoods. Redlining is not as obvious as it has been in the past, but it still exists and it's an impediment. The only solution is to sue them when this happens. You got to make them pay economically.

  [00:36:40]

  Dorien's experience with race and racism. How they were treated differently and that being black is not that easy.

  [00:44:00]

  There are a lot of Black networks that people need to know about and be part of. If you're not part of those natural networks, then you have to find your own and build your own. That's part of wealth building

  [00:49:30]

  What is in Dorien Nuñez's favorite playlist, films, movies, shows, and books?

  Guest Bio

  Dorien Nuñez, Co-Founder and Director of Research, OMNIResearch Group. He is also the Co-founder of OMNI Wall St Advantage. Created the OMNI "WOKE" Investment Research based on his decades of expertise in ESG issues and emerging manager/minority business development programs. Has helped launch venture capital funds and loan programs for woman-owned and minority-owned businesses, raised funds for the Emerging Manager Trust which became FIS (now EXPONA), and continues to consult for new and emerging funds.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Previous Episodes

  Unraveling Racial History: Benjamin Jealous's Quest for Freedom Navigating Racism and Inclusion with Greg Jenkins, Nirupa Netram, and Elinor Stutz Black Fatigue with Mary Frances Winters

  Related Episodes

  Does Culture Fit Hiring Promote Racism?

  Race, Reconciliation, and Transformation

  Changing American Companies from the Top Down

  ]]>c4e222bd-3529-43ac-9f92-00893df16d14Fri, 17 Mar 2023 06:26:37 -070001:02:07falsefull11021021Unraveling Racial History: Benjamin Jealous's Quest for Freedom After a DNA test reveals he is a descendant of both Robert E. Lee and a former slave, Benjamin Jealous embarks on a Wild Ride to uncover the truth about the oldest open wound in America and the possibility of bridging the divide between black and white

  Benjamin Jealous is ouir guest on this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People. He is a former president of the NAACP, a civil rights activist, and an author. He is the author of the book, "Never Forget: Our People Were Always Free," which explores racism, the history of the United States, and the power of storytelling.

  In this episode, you will learn the following:

  1. How is racism still affecting our country today?

  2. What can we do to bridge the divide between different groups of people?

  3. How did the concept of race originate and how has it been used to divide us?

  Chapter Summaries:

  [00:25]

  The book is about the oldest open wound in this country, the wound of racism. Author wrote it as a series of speeches, or monologues to his computer. The book is a very conversational book, a book a lot of people find surprisingly funny.

  [09:38]

  Richard Yates Bland was the last white Bland to own my family. Robert Lee was the leader of the black Republicans in Virginia. What gives a slave man hubris to lead entire political parties?

  [18:23]

  The title comes from something that we believe was first said by our female Kunta Kente of our family if you will. Never forget, our people were always free. That's what all the women in Atlanta I've ever known of were rebellious. And that's what put the steel in their spine.

  [28:17]

  Dr. King was trying to bring poor white folks and poor black folks together to build a better America. The ultimate purpose of racism is to divide these two groups so they can't assert their right to get out of poverty. The media should show the real face of poverty, which is black and white and brown and Asian.

  Guest Bio

  Ben Jealous, is the youngest-ever person to have been elected as the national NAACP President; was just named the Sierra Club's Executive Director (the first person of color selected for the post), and is also a University of Pennsylvania, Professor of Practice. Timed for Black History Month, his new book just hit #1 in the African-American biographies category on Amazon. While researching the book, Jealous learned he is a cousin to slave owner Thomas Jefferson, confederate Robert E. Lee; AND a distant cousin of Dick Cheney! The book is dedicated to his grandmother who taught him to 'never forget our people were always free,' which he considers his personal mantra of inspiration—hoping that we all: White/Black, Democrat/Republican—can finally join together to snuff out race; which Jealous says was not what our country was built on in the first place.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  ]]> After a DNA test reveals he is a descendant of both Robert E. Lee and a former slave, Benjamin Jealous embarks on a Wild Ride to uncover the truth about the oldest open wound in America and the possibility of bridging the divide between black and white

  Benjamin Jealous is ouir guest on this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People. He is a former president of the NAACP, a civil rights activist, and an author. He is the author of the book, "Never Forget: Our People Were Always Free," which explores racism, the history of the United States, and the power of storytelling.

  In this episode, you will learn the following:

  1. How is racism still affecting our country today?

  2. What can we do to bridge the divide between different groups of people?

  3. How did the concept of race originate and how has it been used to divide us?

  Chapter Summaries:

  [00:25]

  The book is about the oldest open wound in this country, the wound of racism. Author wrote it as a series of speeches, or monologues to his computer. The book is a very conversational book, a book a lot of people find surprisingly funny.

  [09:38]

  Richard Yates Bland was the last white Bland to own my family. Robert Lee was the leader of the black Republicans in Virginia. What gives a slave man hubris to lead entire political parties?

  [18:23]

  The title comes from something that we believe was first said by our female Kunta Kente of our family if you will. Never forget, our people were always free. That's what all the women in Atlanta I've ever known of were rebellious. And that's what put the steel in their spine.

  [28:17]

  Dr. King was trying to bring poor white folks and poor black folks together to build a better America. The ultimate purpose of racism is to divide these two groups so they can't assert their right to get out of poverty. The media should show the real face of poverty, which is black and white and brown and Asian.

  Guest Bio

  Ben Jealous, is the youngest-ever person to have been elected as the national NAACP President; was just named the Sierra Club's Executive Director (the first person of color selected for the post), and is also a University of Pennsylvania, Professor of Practice. Timed for Black History Month, his new book just hit #1 in the African-American biographies category on Amazon. While researching the book, Jealous learned he is a cousin to slave owner Thomas Jefferson, confederate Robert E. Lee; AND a distant cousin of Dick Cheney! The book is dedicated to his grandmother who taught him to 'never forget our people were always free,' which he considers his personal mantra of inspiration—hoping that we all: White/Black, Democrat/Republican—can finally join together to snuff out race; which Jealous says was not what our country was built on in the first place.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  ]]>37d3fd62-1938-4e2d-abb8-35839562194bThu, 16 Feb 2023 12:17:34 -070034:22falsefull11011011Navigating Racism and Inclusion with Greg Jenkins, Nirupa Netram, and Elinor StutzWhen Greg Jenkins, Nirupa Netram, and Elinor Stutz, three colleagues and members of the Inclusion Allies Coalition, come together to discuss the importance of talking about race, they are confronted with their own diverse backgrounds, a goal to support those impacted by racism, and a central conflict between silence and open dialogue.

  "It is important for us to understand that race is a very Western idea, but in the context of those parts of the world where race is an understood terminology to understand the effects of race and racism is important for us to, in the case of the IAC, help us understand people that are suffering because of the negative impacts of racism." - Greg Jenkins

  Greg Jenkins is an older, white, straight male of Catholic upbringing who spent 28 years in the US Army and has been a diversity, equity, and inclusion consultant for the last 17 years. Nirupa Netram is an attorney and consultant of Indian descent and Hindu faith. Elinor Stutz is a Jewish woman, a best selling author, and the founder of Smooth Sale,

  Greg, Nirupa, and Elinor, along with Simma, are colleagues and members of the Inclusion Allies Coalition. Each of them has a different cultural background and provides their own perspective on the importance of talking about race and the value of the Inclusion Allies Coalition. Elinor shares the story of her family's experience and her own experience in corporate. They explain why it is important to have conversations about race, speak out against racism and stand together with people who are different. The Inclusion Allies Coalition provides a safe space for entry into conversations about diversity, equity, and inclusion, and a way to connect with people from all around the world.

  The Inclusion Allies Coalition brought together three colleagues and friends with a variety of cultural backgrounds. They discussed the importance of having conversations about race and the value of those conversations.

  In this episode, you will learn the answers to the following:

  1. How does being a member of the Inclusion Allies Coalition promote diversity, equity, and inclusion?
  2. What challenges have been experienced by those who have been negatively impacted by racism?
  3. How can people become more open to learning from those who are different?
  
  

  Key Topics:

  [00:45]

  Three members of the Inclusion Allies Coalition appear on this week's podcast. Each person will give you two minutes, two sentences about themselves. They will give their name, their cultural background.

  [03:09]

  "Why do you think it's important to talk about race today?"

  We can't have silence now because you're going to call on us. Why is it an important conversation? Well, these are discussions that are happening globally in response to so many issues.

  [04:48]

  Elinor Stutz was raised not to talk about being Jewish because her family were holocaust surivors. She says antisemitism is on the rise and so is racism. It's important for groups to stand together and to really speak out together.

  [09:02]

  The Inclusion Allies Coalition brings together people from all over the world. They are advocates for people that may be suffering, or negatively impacted by the topics that we're referring to here.

  Greg finds value in networking with other colleagues that are trying to do good things in their world.

  [11:09]

  Being an IAC member allows you to gain access to global practitioners who support and take action to build inclusion.

  Elinor shares what it means to her to meet so many people who diverse in so many ways.

  [19:24]

  When Elinor was growing up, her grammar was half English and half Yiddish. She felt weird all the time. People always told her she was weird.

  [22:23]

  Nirupa: "I was very lucky growing up. It wasn't until I moved to the US that I began to experience the negative aspects of race and racism." She says she would walk into stores and be ignored or looked at a certain way. Nirupa believes people are fundamentally good and capable of change.

  [27:07]

  Simma ask Nirupa, "Do you think younger generations are more accepting of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion, or it's still the same?"

  Nirupa "I would like to see the future in upcoming generations, that they are more inclusive. I again believe people are well intended and capable of change."

  [31:13]

  Nirupa: "Inclusion Allies Coalition is an important place in that we can have conversations that we don't have normally. For some folks, like maybe the ones that you're referring to in Charlottesville, that frightens them. We have to create spaces to have the conversations."

  [33:35]

  Simma: What would you like your friends to do to show support for you?

  Nirupa: I think just maybe us openly talking about it, and sharing ways that they can be an ally to me. I find talking through scenarios that negatively impact us really help.

  [36:41]

  Gregory: "We need to acknowledge what has happened so that it's not glossed over".

  Elinor: I hope that we will become more united and this crime wave based on race and antisemitism as well as toward other groups will end.

  [42:17]

  Greg: "For your listeners there's the 4D Tool. The four DS are delay, distract, delegate and direct. Research showed that oftentimes when people see something happening, they don't know what to do. We do have to stand up, which is why we have inclusion allies."

  [45:39]

  Simma: "Share either a movie. film or TV show, or a song that reflects what's going on today around race and differences or allyship. For each of you, I want to know, do you have any?

  Guests Bio

  Greg Jenkins is a dedicated and passionate leader, facilitator, coach, and mentor dedicated to helping people and teams achieve higher levels of performance. Greg completed a successful 28+ year US Army career that ranged from overseas duties in Germany, South Korea, and combat duty in Iraq to include several stateside assignments culminating in Washington D.C. While serving at the Pentagon, Greg teamed up with the Army's Diversity Task Force, and worked directly with the Secretary of the Army and Army Chief of Staff to help establish the Army's Diversity program, policies, and marketing.

  Now spanning over three decades from military service to professional corporate consulting, Greg has trained, facilitated, mentored, and coached countless military service members, corporate employees and executive leaders of various industries including the Federal Government, US military, finance, insurance, communications, logistics and retail services. Greg is a passionate veteran volunteer who enjoys actively mentoring and coaching business professionals, US military service members, veterans.

  Social Media Links

  LinkedIn

  Twitter

  Nirupa Netram is an Indian female immigrant attorney and certified diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) in the workplace professional with more than two decades of experience in multiple sectors, including the corporate, nonprofit, government, and legal sectors, in the areas of DEI, human resources, program management, strategic planning, operations, compliance, and more. Nirupa earned her bachelor's degree in business administration from Stetson University and her juris doctorate from Stetson University College of Law. She is the founder of Lotus Solutions LLC, a Florida-certified woman and minority-owned enterprise that helps local, national, and international organizations build and sustain DEI to ensure a fair and just workplace.

  Elinor Stutz, CEO of Smooth Sale, delivers inspirational keynotes at conferences and authored three books: The International Best-Selling book, "Nice Girls DO Get the Sale: Relationship Building That Gets Results", and her second best-selling book is "HIRED!" The third book, The Wish: A 360 Business Development Process to Fuel Sales provides a comprehensive plan for building a global audience.

  Kred ranks Stutz as a Top 1% influencer; CEO World Magazine named Stutz as one of "The brightest sales minds to follow on Twitter" and she was featured on the cover of the March 2015 Sales and Service Excellence e-Magazine. Stutz' blog is distributed among corporations and entrepreneurs alike. Both Bizhumm and NowISeeIt named the Smooth Sale Blog as one of the "Top 100 Most Innovative Sales Bloggers." Her sales seminar was filmed for Eduson.TV. Stutz consults and speaks worldwide.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Resources:

  IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Other episodes you'll enjoy:

  Black Fatigue with Mary Frances Winters

  Kamau Bell and Kate Schatz; Do the Anti-Racist Work

  How to End Racial Bias in Media with Karen Hunter and...]]>When Greg Jenkins, Nirupa Netram, and Elinor Stutz, three colleagues and members of the Inclusion Allies Coalition, come together to discuss the importance of talking about race, they are confronted with their own diverse backgrounds, a goal to support those impacted by racism, and a central conflict between silence and open dialogue.

  "It is important for us to understand that race is a very Western idea, but in the context of those parts of the world where race is an understood terminology to understand the effects of race and racism is important for us to, in the case of the IAC, help us understand people that are suffering because of the negative impacts of racism." - Greg Jenkins

  Greg Jenkins is an older, white, straight male of Catholic upbringing who spent 28 years in the US Army and has been a diversity, equity, and inclusion consultant for the last 17 years. Nirupa Netram is an attorney and consultant of Indian descent and Hindu faith. Elinor Stutz is a Jewish woman, a best selling author, and the founder of Smooth Sale,

  Greg, Nirupa, and Elinor, along with Simma, are colleagues and members of the Inclusion Allies Coalition. Each of them has a different cultural background and provides their own perspective on the importance of talking about race and the value of the Inclusion Allies Coalition. Elinor shares the story of her family's experience and her own experience in corporate. They explain why it is important to have conversations about race, speak out against racism and stand together with people who are different. The Inclusion Allies Coalition provides a safe space for entry into conversations about diversity, equity, and inclusion, and a way to connect with people from all around the world.

  The Inclusion Allies Coalition brought together three colleagues and friends with a variety of cultural backgrounds. They discussed the importance of having conversations about race and the value of those conversations.

  In this episode, you will learn the answers to the following:

  1. How does being a member of the Inclusion Allies Coalition promote diversity, equity, and inclusion?
  2. What challenges have been experienced by those who have been negatively impacted by racism?
  3. How can people become more open to learning from those who are different?
  
  

  Key Topics:

  [00:45]

  Three members of the Inclusion Allies Coalition appear on this week's podcast. Each person will give you two minutes, two sentences about themselves. They will give their name, their cultural background.

  [03:09]

  "Why do you think it's important to talk about race today?"

  We can't have silence now because you're going to call on us. Why is it an important conversation? Well, these are discussions that are happening globally in response to so many issues.

  [04:48]

  Elinor Stutz was raised not to talk about being Jewish because her family were holocaust surivors. She says antisemitism is on the rise and so is racism. It's important for groups to stand together and to really speak out together.

  [09:02]

  The Inclusion Allies Coalition brings together people from all over the world. They are advocates for people that may be suffering, or negatively impacted by the topics that we're referring to here.

  Greg finds value in networking with other colleagues that are trying to do good things in their world.

  [11:09]

  Being an IAC member allows you to gain access to global practitioners who support and take action to build inclusion.

  Elinor shares what it means to her to meet so many people who diverse in so many ways.

  [19:24]

  When Elinor was growing up, her grammar was half English and half Yiddish. She felt weird all the time. People always told her she was weird.

  [22:23]

  Nirupa: "I was very lucky growing up. It wasn't until I moved to the US that I began to experience the negative aspects of race and racism." She says she would walk into stores and be ignored or looked at a certain way. Nirupa believes people are fundamentally good and capable of change.

  [27:07]

  Simma ask Nirupa, "Do you think younger generations are more accepting of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion, or it's still the same?"

  Nirupa "I would like to see the future in upcoming generations, that they are more inclusive. I again believe people are well intended and capable of change."

  [31:13]

  Nirupa: "Inclusion Allies Coalition is an important place in that we can have conversations that we don't have normally. For some folks, like maybe the ones that you're referring to in Charlottesville, that frightens them. We have to create spaces to have the conversations."

  [33:35]

  Simma: What would you like your friends to do to show support for you?

  Nirupa: I think just maybe us openly talking about it, and sharing ways that they can be an ally to me. I find talking through scenarios that negatively impact us really help.

  [36:41]

  Gregory: "We need to acknowledge what has happened so that it's not glossed over".

  Elinor: I hope that we will become more united and this crime wave based on race and antisemitism as well as toward other groups will end.

  [42:17]

  Greg: "For your listeners there's the 4D Tool. The four DS are delay, distract, delegate and direct. Research showed that oftentimes when people see something happening, they don't know what to do. We do have to stand up, which is why we have inclusion allies."

  [45:39]

  Simma: "Share either a movie. film or TV show, or a song that reflects what's going on today around race and differences or allyship. For each of you, I want to know, do you have any?

  Guests Bio

  Greg Jenkins is a dedicated and passionate leader, facilitator, coach, and mentor dedicated to helping people and teams achieve higher levels of performance. Greg completed a successful 28+ year US Army career that ranged from overseas duties in Germany, South Korea, and combat duty in Iraq to include several stateside assignments culminating in Washington D.C. While serving at the Pentagon, Greg teamed up with the Army's Diversity Task Force, and worked directly with the Secretary of the Army and Army Chief of Staff to help establish the Army's Diversity program, policies, and marketing.

  Now spanning over three decades from military service to professional corporate consulting, Greg has trained, facilitated, mentored, and coached countless military service members, corporate employees and executive leaders of various industries including the Federal Government, US military, finance, insurance, communications, logistics and retail services. Greg is a passionate veteran volunteer who enjoys actively mentoring and coaching business professionals, US military service members, veterans.

  Social Media Links

  LinkedIn

  Twitter

  Nirupa Netram is an Indian female immigrant attorney and certified diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) in the workplace professional with more than two decades of experience in multiple sectors, including the corporate, nonprofit, government, and legal sectors, in the areas of DEI, human resources, program management, strategic planning, operations, compliance, and more. Nirupa earned her bachelor's degree in business administration from Stetson University and her juris doctorate from Stetson University College of Law. She is the founder of Lotus Solutions LLC, a Florida-certified woman and minority-owned enterprise that helps local, national, and international organizations build and sustain DEI to ensure a fair and just workplace.

  Elinor Stutz, CEO of Smooth Sale, delivers inspirational keynotes at conferences and authored three books: The International Best-Selling book, "Nice Girls DO Get the Sale: Relationship Building That Gets Results", and her second best-selling book is "HIRED!" The third book, The Wish: A 360 Business Development Process to Fuel Sales provides a comprehensive plan for building a global audience.

  Kred ranks Stutz as a Top 1% influencer; CEO World Magazine named Stutz as one of "The brightest sales minds to follow on Twitter" and she was featured on the cover of the March 2015 Sales and Service Excellence e-Magazine. Stutz' blog is distributed among corporations and entrepreneurs alike. Both Bizhumm and NowISeeIt named the Smooth Sale Blog as one of the "Top 100 Most Innovative Sales Bloggers." Her sales seminar was filmed for Eduson.TV. Stutz consults and speaks worldwide.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Resources:

  IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  Other episodes you'll enjoy:

  Black Fatigue with Mary Frances Winters

  Kamau Bell and Kate Schatz; Do the Anti-Racist Work

  How to End Racial Bias in Media with Karen Hunter and Daniel Stedman

  Connect with SIMMA:

  Instagram

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  Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating

  ]]>f3716834-092b-461b-a15f-28852750672fFri, 13 Jan 2023 09:12:24 -070050:40falsefull11001001Black Fatigue with Mary Frances WintersMary Frances Winters, one of the original thought leaders in the diversity field and cross-race conversations, joins me in this conversation on race.

  We talk about:

  • How the histories of Black and other people of color are being replaced in the USA
  • How we need to look at race and racism from a systemic point of view and not just look at individual actions
  • The state of the diversity conversation at work
  
  

  Key topics:

  [2:06] Why it's important to talk about race, and why people are reluctant to talk about it

  [4:54] Her new book, "Racial Justice at Work"

  [8:25] How we all swim in the water of white supremacy

  [10:25] The way history of people from non-dominant groups is being wiped out

  Example: Florida banning diversity training, and Don't say gay bills

  [14:53] When will teaching history of slavery be forbidden in public schools

  [16:51] The fear that this country is becoming too Black or Brown and will have too much political clout that drives white supremacy

  [21:15] The difficulty of discussing the topic of race at work

  [23:47] Self-loathing and internalized oppression

  [25:16] When Mary Frances was called the N-word at the age of five and the reaction from her parents

  [29:02] The real history and current state of diversity, (equity and inclusion) today

  [32:02] Why Mary Frances is not a fan of adding more letters to Diversity, Equity and Inclusion

  [34:17] How some people who are not qualified are being asked to be diversity leaders just because they belong to a dimension of diversity

  Why do some people take on the role without the requisite expertise?

  [40:35] What is generational wealth? What is informational wealth?

  [46:42] The biggest challenge Mary Frances has seen from white women

  Guest Bio

  Mary Frances Winters is President and CEO of The Winters Group, Inc., a 38-year-old diversity and inclusion consulting firm, and the author of six books, including her best seller, We Can't Talk about That at Work!: How to Talk about Race, Religion, Politics, and Other Polarizing Topics; and her two latest books, Inclusive Conversations: Fostering Equity, Empathy, and Belonging Across Differences and Black Fatigue: How Racism Erodes the Mind, Body, and Spirit.

  Learn More About The Winters Group on their website, here.

  Follow Mary-Frances on LinkedIn.

  Follow The Winters Group on Instagram, LinkedIn, Twitter, and Facebook.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  ]]>Mary Frances Winters, one of the original thought leaders in the diversity field and cross-race conversations, joins me in this conversation on race.

  We talk about:

  • How the histories of Black and other people of color are being replaced in the USA
  • How we need to look at race and racism from a systemic point of view and not just look at individual actions
  • The state of the diversity conversation at work
  
  

  Key topics:

  [2:06] Why it's important to talk about race, and why people are reluctant to talk about it

  [4:54] Her new book, "Racial Justice at Work"

  [8:25] How we all swim in the water of white supremacy

  [10:25] The way history of people from non-dominant groups is being wiped out

  Example: Florida banning diversity training, and Don't say gay bills

  [14:53] When will teaching history of slavery be forbidden in public schools

  [16:51] The fear that this country is becoming too Black or Brown and will have too much political clout that drives white supremacy

  [21:15] The difficulty of discussing the topic of race at work

  [23:47] Self-loathing and internalized oppression

  [25:16] When Mary Frances was called the N-word at the age of five and the reaction from her parents

  [29:02] The real history and current state of diversity, (equity and inclusion) today

  [32:02] Why Mary Frances is not a fan of adding more letters to Diversity, Equity and Inclusion

  [34:17] How some people who are not qualified are being asked to be diversity leaders just because they belong to a dimension of diversity

  Why do some people take on the role without the requisite expertise?

  [40:35] What is generational wealth? What is informational wealth?

  [46:42] The biggest challenge Mary Frances has seen from white women

  Guest Bio

  Mary Frances Winters is President and CEO of The Winters Group, Inc., a 38-year-old diversity and inclusion consulting firm, and the author of six books, including her best seller, We Can't Talk about That at Work!: How to Talk about Race, Religion, Politics, and Other Polarizing Topics; and her two latest books, Inclusive Conversations: Fostering Equity, Empathy, and Belonging Across Differences and Black Fatigue: How Racism Erodes the Mind, Body, and Spirit.

  Learn More About The Winters Group on their website, here.

  Follow Mary-Frances on LinkedIn.

  Follow The Winters Group on Instagram, LinkedIn, Twitter, and Facebook.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  ]]>0440005e-5c0a-474d-82f3-61dd164c769dTue, 15 Nov 2022 01:54:18 -070056:57falsefull199991Kamau Bell and Kate Schatz; Do the Anti-Racist WorkIn this Conversation on Race, Kamau Bell and Kate Schatz join me to talk about race, racism, and their new book they co-authored, "Do The Work, An Anti-Racist Workbook. Kate Schatz, author, activist, and public speaker.

  Kamau Bell is a well-known author, comedian, and political commentator on CNN.

  Kate Schatz, is a feminist author, activist, and public speaker.

  (Because of their schedules, I had to interview each one separately)

  Key topics with Kamau Bell

  What made Kamau Bell and Kate Schatz write "Do The Work, An Anti-Racist Workbook," together.

  What happens after people buy anti-racism books, they often do nothing.

  How white racists went after the success of Black people after slavery and tried to destroy them.

  Why Black people are justified in being afraid of being stopped by police at a traffic stop.

  Why when people say they don't have a racist bone, it means they are racist.

  A big list of small actions you can take.

  How you can help create a non-racist society.

  Educate kids to prepare for the world.

  Why you should buy "Do The Work, An Anti-Racist workbook.

  Key topics with Kate Schatz

  Her first experience with race, and speaking up against racism to a group of white parents at a high school meeting.

  How her friends supported her anti-racism.

  how she keeps talking about white supremacy when she is told to stop.

  Explaining white supremacy so other white people can understand it.

  Ways in which the USA was founded on white supremacist beliefs.

  What people can do to eliminate white supremacist beliefs?

  Anti-racist actions everyone can take.

  Guests Bio

  W. Kamau Bell is a stand-up comedian and the director and executive producer of the four-part Showtime documentary, We Need To Talk About Cosby, which premiered at Sundance. He also hosts and executive-produces the Emmy Award winning CNN docu-series United Shades of America with W. Kamau Bell. His new book, Do The Work: An Antiracist Activity Book, co-written with Kate Schatz, is forthcoming from Workman in July.

  http://www.wkamaubell.com/about

  Link to book

  https://www.workman.com/products/do-the-work/paperback

  https://www.amazon.com/Do-Work-Antiracist-Activity-Book/dp/1523514280

  KATE SCHATZ is an author, activist, public speaker, educator, consultant, and queer feminist mama who's been talking, writing, and teaching about race, gender, social justice, and equity for many years. She's the New York Times bestselling author of the "Rad Women" book series (including Rad American Women A-Z, Rad Women Worldwide, and Rad American History A-Z), which have sold over 300,000 copies and been translated into four languages. Her book of fiction, Rid of Me: A Story, was published in 2007 as part of the cult-favorite 33 ⅓ series. She is the co-author of Do the Work: An Anti-Racist Activity Book, with W. Kamau Bell, the comedian and Emmy-winning host of CNN's United Shades of America.

  www.KateSchatz.com

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  ]]>In this Conversation on Race, Kamau Bell and Kate Schatz join me to talk about race, racism, and their new book they co-authored, "Do The Work, An Anti-Racist Workbook. Kate Schatz, author, activist, and public speaker.

  Kamau Bell is a well-known author, comedian, and political commentator on CNN.

  Kate Schatz, is a feminist author, activist, and public speaker.

  (Because of their schedules, I had to interview each one separately)

  Key topics with Kamau Bell

  What made Kamau Bell and Kate Schatz write "Do The Work, An Anti-Racist Workbook," together.

  What happens after people buy anti-racism books, they often do nothing.

  How white racists went after the success of Black people after slavery and tried to destroy them.

  Why Black people are justified in being afraid of being stopped by police at a traffic stop.

  Why when people say they don't have a racist bone, it means they are racist.

  A big list of small actions you can take.

  How you can help create a non-racist society.

  Educate kids to prepare for the world.

  Why you should buy "Do The Work, An Anti-Racist workbook.

  Key topics with Kate Schatz

  Her first experience with race, and speaking up against racism to a group of white parents at a high school meeting.

  How her friends supported her anti-racism.

  how she keeps talking about white supremacy when she is told to stop.

  Explaining white supremacy so other white people can understand it.

  Ways in which the USA was founded on white supremacist beliefs.

  What people can do to eliminate white supremacist beliefs?

  Anti-racist actions everyone can take.

  Guests Bio

  W. Kamau Bell is a stand-up comedian and the director and executive producer of the four-part Showtime documentary, We Need To Talk About Cosby, which premiered at Sundance. He also hosts and executive-produces the Emmy Award winning CNN docu-series United Shades of America with W. Kamau Bell. His new book, Do The Work: An Antiracist Activity Book, co-written with Kate Schatz, is forthcoming from Workman in July.

  http://www.wkamaubell.com/about

  Link to book

  https://www.workman.com/products/do-the-work/paperback

  https://www.amazon.com/Do-Work-Antiracist-Activity-Book/dp/1523514280

  KATE SCHATZ is an author, activist, public speaker, educator, consultant, and queer feminist mama who's been talking, writing, and teaching about race, gender, social justice, and equity for many years. She's the New York Times bestselling author of the "Rad Women" book series (including Rad American Women A-Z, Rad Women Worldwide, and Rad American History A-Z), which have sold over 300,000 copies and been translated into four languages. Her book of fiction, Rid of Me: A Story, was published in 2007 as part of the cult-favorite 33 ⅓ series. She is the co-author of Do the Work: An Anti-Racist Activity Book, with W. Kamau Bell, the comedian and Emmy-winning host of CNN's United Shades of America.

  www.KateSchatz.com

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  ]]>414e7196-5169-4880-ac23-52343214f3d9Thu, 20 Oct 2022 10:53:11 -070026:59falsefull198981Conversation on Race with Marcus SawyerrMarcus Sawyerr, CEO of EQ Community joins me in this conversation on race. We talk about how he and EQ Community help Black and other People of Color who have been historically excluded from professional opportunities.

  He shares his experience as a Black man in the UK, and how he came to the US and founded EQ Community.

  Key Topics include:

  [4:16] Why it's important for Black people to have access to business opportunities, and ways to get those opportunities.

  [5:14] Why access to information is crucial, and how lack of access has resulted in exclusion for Black and other people of color.

  [12:07]- Why and how he founded EQ Community.

  How Marcus Sawyerr and EQ Community help People of Color get access to top jobs and opportunities instead of languishing in search firms

  [14:00] How people in EQ Community get and give support to each other to excel

  [15:39] Why and how Black and Brown people are underutilized even after they get hired

  [16:38] Is exclusion a Black and White thing, is it an organizational DNA thing? A race thing?

  [23:10] How Diversity and Inclusion is a superpower

  [27:01] The difference between being a black man in the UK vs being a Black man in the US.

  [30:22] How the system in the US is set up for People of Color not to win and how to change that.

  Guest Bio

  British-born CEO Marcus Sawyerr is founder of EQ Community, was an executive board member to Microsoft, former Head of Global Partnerships at The Adecco Group in Switzerland, and Senior Director at CareerBuilder.

  His latest tech platform is a unique online community that's cultivating and connecting multicultural professionals interested in tech— accelerating diverse and inclusive executive recruitment, globally.

  He can speak to timely topics, as:

  -Hiring Trends across Tech in DE&I Metaverse

  -How Web3 and decentralization will impact future of work

  -DEI program best practices for a winning team

  - Myth-busting the big lie about "lowering the bar" to attain inclusive hiring and diverse workforce

  - The power and impact of inclusion and equitable recruiting

  - The importance of developing nuanced and strategic approach to implementing diverse hiring panels

  - And how to structure, implement, measure, and sustain equitable and inclusive attraction and selection practices

  Lastly, Marcus is featured in publications: Insight, The EQ Report, American Express, Recruiter.com, LinkedIn, and Inside Big Data.

  Host Bio:

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People." Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  ]]>Marcus Sawyerr, CEO of EQ Community joins me in this conversation on race. We talk about how he and EQ Community help Black and other People of Color who have been historically excluded from professional opportunities.

  He shares his experience as a Black man in the UK, and how he came to the US and founded EQ Community.

  Key Topics include:

  [4:16] Why it's important for Black people to have access to business opportunities, and ways to get those opportunities.

  [5:14] Why access to information is crucial, and how lack of access has resulted in exclusion for Black and other people of color.

  [12:07]- Why and how he founded EQ Community.

  How Marcus Sawyerr and EQ Community help People of Color get access to top jobs and opportunities instead of languishing in search firms

  [14:00] How people in EQ Community get and give support to each other to excel

  [15:39] Why and how Black and Brown people are underutilized even after they get hired

  [16:38] Is exclusion a Black and White thing, is it an organizational DNA thing? A race thing?

  [23:10] How Diversity and Inclusion is a superpower

  [27:01] The difference between being a black man in the UK vs being a Black man in the US.

  [30:22] How the system in the US is set up for People of Color not to win and how to change that.

  Guest Bio

  British-born CEO Marcus Sawyerr is founder of EQ Community, was an executive board member to Microsoft, former Head of Global Partnerships at The Adecco Group in Switzerland, and Senior Director at CareerBuilder.

  His latest tech platform is a unique online community that's cultivating and connecting multicultural professionals interested in tech— accelerating diverse and inclusive executive recruitment, globally.

  He can speak to timely topics, as:

  -Hiring Trends across Tech in DE&I Metaverse

  -How Web3 and decentralization will impact future of work

  -DEI program best practices for a winning team

  - Myth-busting the big lie about "lowering the bar" to attain inclusive hiring and diverse workforce

  - The power and impact of inclusion and equitable recruiting

  - The importance of developing nuanced and strategic approach to implementing diverse hiring panels

  - And how to structure, implement, measure, and sustain equitable and inclusive attraction and selection practices

  Lastly, Marcus is featured in publications: Insight, The EQ Report, American Express, Recruiter.com, LinkedIn, and Inside Big Data.

  Host Bio:

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People." Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  ]]>12b876dc-fb4b-4923-8dac-74975da91e8fFri, 23 Sep 2022 10:31:37 -070054:27falsefull197971Is It Racist To Ask About Caste?Suhag Shukla joins me in this conversation on race to answer the question, "Is it racist to talk about race?" Suhag is the executive director of the Hindu American Foundation. She's also on the Homeland Security, faith-based security and communications Foundation. And she's a leading voice for civil and human rights and religious freedom.

  Key topics:

  [1.45] How she grew up straddling both a Hindu identity and an American identity and realizing that the core teachings of Hinduism and being an American fit together.

  [5:11] The so-called "founding fathers" who didn't consider Black and Native American people full human beings.

  [5:46] First experience with racism during the oil crisis in the 1970s and being "othered."

  [7:51] Is caste and/or asking about caste racist? The history of caste and Indian society as well as the British and Portuguese in India.

  [10:51] Social Identities, castes, and religious traditions

  [12:11] Commonalities in communities and castes in India

  How people in India identify today beyond caste, who has social capital based on class

  [15:11] Myths of caste and the fluidity of castes and engagement across different group

  The complexity of Indian society, and the assumptions that people outside of India make about people in India

  American society tries to simplify economic and social societies in India without any real understanding

  [25.48] US school textbooks teach about other cultures and countries like they are stuck in time, and not what's happening now

  People in the US don't understand Indian culture today and even asked Suhag if she has electricity in India if her parents arranged her marriage while she was in elementary school

  Being assigned a caste by a reporter in a recent interview based on her last name and how she confronted the reporter

  Preconceived notions about her. because of her Indian heritage and culture and asking racist questions

  [33:13] The recent survey by the Carnegie Endowment for peace, conducted one of the first-ever comprehensive surveys done of Indian Americans and Indian American attitudes

  shows that with each subsequent generation, there's less and less affinity towards identifying by caste. And when it comes to discrimination, close to 50% of the people responding out of 1000 people in the survey reported having faced discrimination in the year previously

  [39:55] Institutionalizing of caste at Brandeis, Harvard, CSU and other universities. Suhag's view of why it is racist to ask about caste and include it in a protected category- that it has never been an issue in education

  Guest Bio

  Suhag Shukla, Esq., Executive Director, is a co-founder of HAF. She holds a BA in Religion and JD from the University of Florida. Ms. Shukla has helped steer the Foundation to being recognized as a leading voice for civil rights, human rights, and religious freedom. She's been instrumental in the development of a broad range of educational materials and position papers and blogs for a variety of platforms. Ms. Shukla has served on the Boards of the Nirvana Center, Main Line Indian Association, and YWCA of Minneapolis. She was also a member of the Department of Homeland Security Faith-Based Security and Communications Subcommittee. Ms. Shukla is actively involved with Chinmaya Mission, serves on the board of the Bhutanese American Organization of Philadelphia, and is a thought partner for the Interfaith Center of Greater Philadelphia's Paths to Understanding Public Art Initiative. Shukla is a member of the board for the National Museum of American Religion and serves on religious advisory committees for the Council on Foreign Relations, the Humane Society of the United States, and the Department of Homeland Security's Subcommittee for the Prevention of Targeted Violence Against Faith-Based Communities and is a member of the First Amendment Center's Committee on Religious Liberty and the United Nations Women's Gender Equality and Religion platform. Shukla was named one of twelve "faith leaders to watch in 2017" by the Center for American Progress.

  Email: Info@HinduAmerican.org

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People." Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  ]]>Suhag Shukla joins me in this conversation on race to answer the question, "Is it racist to talk about race?" Suhag is the executive director of the Hindu American Foundation. She's also on the Homeland Security, faith-based security and communications Foundation. And she's a leading voice for civil and human rights and religious freedom.

  Key topics:

  [1.45] How she grew up straddling both a Hindu identity and an American identity and realizing that the core teachings of Hinduism and being an American fit together.

  [5:11] The so-called "founding fathers" who didn't consider Black and Native American people full human beings.

  [5:46] First experience with racism during the oil crisis in the 1970s and being "othered."

  [7:51] Is caste and/or asking about caste racist? The history of caste and Indian society as well as the British and Portuguese in India.

  [10:51] Social Identities, castes, and religious traditions

  [12:11] Commonalities in communities and castes in India

  How people in India identify today beyond caste, who has social capital based on class

  [15:11] Myths of caste and the fluidity of castes and engagement across different group

  The complexity of Indian society, and the assumptions that people outside of India make about people in India

  American society tries to simplify economic and social societies in India without any real understanding

  [25.48] US school textbooks teach about other cultures and countries like they are stuck in time, and not what's happening now

  People in the US don't understand Indian culture today and even asked Suhag if she has electricity in India if her parents arranged her marriage while she was in elementary school

  Being assigned a caste by a reporter in a recent interview based on her last name and how she confronted the reporter

  Preconceived notions about her. because of her Indian heritage and culture and asking racist questions

  [33:13] The recent survey by the Carnegie Endowment for peace, conducted one of the first-ever comprehensive surveys done of Indian Americans and Indian American attitudes

  shows that with each subsequent generation, there's less and less affinity towards identifying by caste. And when it comes to discrimination, close to 50% of the people responding out of 1000 people in the survey reported having faced discrimination in the year previously

  [39:55] Institutionalizing of caste at Brandeis, Harvard, CSU and other universities. Suhag's view of why it is racist to ask about caste and include it in a protected category- that it has never been an issue in education

  Guest Bio

  Suhag Shukla, Esq., Executive Director, is a co-founder of HAF. She holds a BA in Religion and JD from the University of Florida. Ms. Shukla has helped steer the Foundation to being recognized as a leading voice for civil rights, human rights, and religious freedom. She's been instrumental in the development of a broad range of educational materials and position papers and blogs for a variety of platforms. Ms. Shukla has served on the Boards of the Nirvana Center, Main Line Indian Association, and YWCA of Minneapolis. She was also a member of the Department of Homeland Security Faith-Based Security and Communications Subcommittee. Ms. Shukla is actively involved with Chinmaya Mission, serves on the board of the Bhutanese American Organization of Philadelphia, and is a thought partner for the Interfaith Center of Greater Philadelphia's Paths to Understanding Public Art Initiative. Shukla is a member of the board for the National Museum of American Religion and serves on religious advisory committees for the Council on Foreign Relations, the Humane Society of the United States, and the Department of Homeland Security's Subcommittee for the Prevention of Targeted Violence Against Faith-Based Communities and is a member of the First Amendment Center's Committee on Religious Liberty and the United Nations Women's Gender Equality and Religion platform. Shukla was named one of twelve "faith leaders to watch in 2017" by the Center for American Progress.

  Email: Info@HinduAmerican.org

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People." Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  ]]>85b965a9-bb32-437b-8f9d-162fc7b287e6Sat, 13 Aug 2022 04:34:18 -070055:48falsefull196961Racism and Segregation in the Music IndustryMichael Motta, is a former executive in the record business. He was instrumental in breaking open the careers of musicians like Snoop Dogg, Beastie Boys, Megadeath and Bonnie Raitt.

  After years in the business, he realized it was treacherous to his health and left after achieving major success. He also saw the systemic racism and inequality of music airtime, radio station resources. Listen to his story in this conversation on race.

  Today he is the regional manager of Mayweather Boxing and Fitness in Los Angeles, CA, USA.

  Michael considers himself a "a man for all nations." He is African, Sicilian, Cuban, and Jewish. Raised in the Bronx by four strong Black women, he learned to be a strong Black man.

  Key topics:

  [5:00] How he was bullied by different groups because of his skin color, not being white enough for the white kids and not dark enough for the Black kids.

  [7:12] Incredibly, Michael just two years ago that he is fifty-one percent Jewish. Hear how he found his Jewish father and a sister he didn't know he had. However before finding that out, he always had connections to Jewish people, and his son's mother is Jewish.

  [16:12] What made him finally decide to leave the music industry- Motta breaks down the systemic racism of the music industry and the segregation of the radio stations.

  [20:53] We talk some of our favorite genres of music along with artists we love

  [29:06]

  • White kids who listen to hip-hop but don't care about the politics, and still act racist towards people of color.They spend money on the music but don't understand history or the message. • Where to find conscious rap and hip-hop since it's not played on commercial radio or given airplay

  [34:50] • His experience in college at a mostly Jewish school

  [38:55] • What it's like being Black with light skin. How he wasn't accepted in different places and what he did to survive.

  [40:44] Race and racism and how it's about fear

  [41:37] Why he's bothered by gentrification and it's impact on non-white communities.

  [45:35] Solutions and suggestions to end racism and actions we can all take

  Guest BioA 20-year industry veteran, Michael hails from the Bronx and is of Black, Hispanic and Caucasian heritage. He earned a scholarship to Brandeis where he played varsity basketball and then went on to earn an MBA at Boston College. Mike is an accomplished martial artist, boxer and strength and conditioning coach – as well as an expert on nutrition counseling and healthy living -- all skills he attributes to his ability to combat stage four prostate cancer. Prior to his fitness career Mike was an accomplished record industry executive and was head of promotion and marketing for four record labels, executive vice president for several film companies and is an accomplished screen writer. He's the proud father of one son, Nick.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People." Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  ]]>Michael Motta, is a former executive in the record business. He was instrumental in breaking open the careers of musicians like Snoop Dogg, Beastie Boys, Megadeath and Bonnie Raitt.

  After years in the business, he realized it was treacherous to his health and left after achieving major success. He also saw the systemic racism and inequality of music airtime, radio station resources. Listen to his story in this conversation on race.

  Today he is the regional manager of Mayweather Boxing and Fitness in Los Angeles, CA, USA.

  Michael considers himself a "a man for all nations." He is African, Sicilian, Cuban, and Jewish. Raised in the Bronx by four strong Black women, he learned to be a strong Black man.

  Key topics:

  [5:00] How he was bullied by different groups because of his skin color, not being white enough for the white kids and not dark enough for the Black kids.

  [7:12] Incredibly, Michael just two years ago that he is fifty-one percent Jewish. Hear how he found his Jewish father and a sister he didn't know he had. However before finding that out, he always had connections to Jewish people, and his son's mother is Jewish.

  [16:12] What made him finally decide to leave the music industry- Motta breaks down the systemic racism of the music industry and the segregation of the radio stations.

  [20:53] We talk some of our favorite genres of music along with artists we love

  [29:06]

  • White kids who listen to hip-hop but don't care about the politics, and still act racist towards people of color.They spend money on the music but don't understand history or the message. • Where to find conscious rap and hip-hop since it's not played on commercial radio or given airplay

  [34:50] • His experience in college at a mostly Jewish school

  [38:55] • What it's like being Black with light skin. How he wasn't accepted in different places and what he did to survive.

  [40:44] Race and racism and how it's about fear

  [41:37] Why he's bothered by gentrification and it's impact on non-white communities.

  [45:35] Solutions and suggestions to end racism and actions we can all take

  Guest BioA 20-year industry veteran, Michael hails from the Bronx and is of Black, Hispanic and Caucasian heritage. He earned a scholarship to Brandeis where he played varsity basketball and then went on to earn an MBA at Boston College. Mike is an accomplished martial artist, boxer and strength and conditioning coach – as well as an expert on nutrition counseling and healthy living -- all skills he attributes to his ability to combat stage four prostate cancer. Prior to his fitness career Mike was an accomplished record industry executive and was head of promotion and marketing for four record labels, executive vice president for several film companies and is an accomplished screen writer. He's the proud father of one son, Nick.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People." Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  ]]>4f03bc5f-0ad2-4603-95a9-f441bf0b5663Fri, 22 Jul 2022 09:55:43 -070053:40falsefull195951Living Diversity Across Race and CultureMichael Dismuke and Lorenzo Jones from Eden Housing, join me in this conversation on race.

  Listen in for practical advice, and best practices for engaging in successful cross-race conversations as they share their experiences. Eden Housing is an organization that develops, manages, and maintains affordable housing throughout California.

  With a multi-racial and multi-cultural employee base, they have been able to ensure that their multi-racial, and multi-cultural residents feel included, respected and heard. When you have people living or working together from diverse backgrounds, unless people are able to interact with each other in meaningful ways, there can be tensions, bias and silos. Hear how Eden Housing is able to bring people together across race to thrive together.

  Discover why meaningful interactions, and sharing personal stories can stop racial and other kinds of bias. Learn why leaders need to start with themselves in the conversation about race, by reflecting on their own experiences, their own bias, and why they think and act the way they do. They need to live their values if they say they value diversity and racial equity. Racial equity doesn't happen by itself. It takes the whole organization to work together. In this conversation on race, Michael Dismuke and Lorenzo Jones offer concrete suggestions and solutions to talk about race, and how to live diversity, equity and inclusion.

  Key topics:

  [2:53] How Michael Dismuke and Lorenzo Jones credit their own interracial, multicultural backgrounds as contributors to their success as leaders at Eden Housing.

  [4:52] Creating comfortable environments to talk about race and have "curious conversations".

  [9:29] Having conversations across race and finding connections.

  [14:30] The importance of going beyond racial optics in organization. You have to live inclusion and diversity to be successful.

  [16:00] Creating a diversity council that is diverse.

  [20:33] Best practices for inclusion during holiday seasons.

  [26:33] How to make people from diverse religious faiths and observances feel included, while not favoring any one group.

  [31:49] Gamifying cross-race conversations, and sharing stories across race and culture.

  [39.31] Recognition, and showing respect for indigenous people and their history on the land.

  [45:28] The problem of mixing religion, politics and organizational policies.

  Guests Bio:

  LORENZO JONES

  SENIOR DIRECTOR OF DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION

  As Senior Director of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion, Lorenzo is responsible for crafting a comprehensive DEI strategy for the organization, defining goals, and providing a roadmap to ensure that Eden Housing embeds a commitment to racial, social, and economic justice in all its work. He facilitates and creates linkages among Eden's DEI Council, working groups and committees, and evaluates Eden's internal processes and practices with an equity lens.

  MICHAEL DISMUKE

  VICE PRESIDENT OF ORGANIZATIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND INTERNAL COMMUNICATIONS

  As Vice President of Organizational Development and Internal Communications, Michael is a key member of the Human Resources and Extended Leadership Teams (ELT) at Eden Housing. He is the communications advisor to the company's executive team and senior leaders across the company. He creates and executes strategies to ensure the company's human capital has the training and resources they need to support the growth of the organization.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People." Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  ]]>Michael Dismuke and Lorenzo Jones from Eden Housing, join me in this conversation on race.

  Listen in for practical advice, and best practices for engaging in successful cross-race conversations as they share their experiences. Eden Housing is an organization that develops, manages, and maintains affordable housing throughout California.

  With a multi-racial and multi-cultural employee base, they have been able to ensure that their multi-racial, and multi-cultural residents feel included, respected and heard. When you have people living or working together from diverse backgrounds, unless people are able to interact with each other in meaningful ways, there can be tensions, bias and silos. Hear how Eden Housing is able to bring people together across race to thrive together.

  Discover why meaningful interactions, and sharing personal stories can stop racial and other kinds of bias. Learn why leaders need to start with themselves in the conversation about race, by reflecting on their own experiences, their own bias, and why they think and act the way they do. They need to live their values if they say they value diversity and racial equity. Racial equity doesn't happen by itself. It takes the whole organization to work together. In this conversation on race, Michael Dismuke and Lorenzo Jones offer concrete suggestions and solutions to talk about race, and how to live diversity, equity and inclusion.

  Key topics:

  [2:53] How Michael Dismuke and Lorenzo Jones credit their own interracial, multicultural backgrounds as contributors to their success as leaders at Eden Housing.

  [4:52] Creating comfortable environments to talk about race and have "curious conversations".

  [9:29] Having conversations across race and finding connections.

  [14:30] The importance of going beyond racial optics in organization. You have to live inclusion and diversity to be successful.

  [16:00] Creating a diversity council that is diverse.

  [20:33] Best practices for inclusion during holiday seasons.

  [26:33] How to make people from diverse religious faiths and observances feel included, while not favoring any one group.

  [31:49] Gamifying cross-race conversations, and sharing stories across race and culture.

  [39.31] Recognition, and showing respect for indigenous people and their history on the land.

  [45:28] The problem of mixing religion, politics and organizational policies.

  Guests Bio:

  LORENZO JONES

  SENIOR DIRECTOR OF DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION

  As Senior Director of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion, Lorenzo is responsible for crafting a comprehensive DEI strategy for the organization, defining goals, and providing a roadmap to ensure that Eden Housing embeds a commitment to racial, social, and economic justice in all its work. He facilitates and creates linkages among Eden's DEI Council, working groups and committees, and evaluates Eden's internal processes and practices with an equity lens.

  MICHAEL DISMUKE

  VICE PRESIDENT OF ORGANIZATIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND INTERNAL COMMUNICATIONS

  As Vice President of Organizational Development and Internal Communications, Michael is a key member of the Human Resources and Extended Leadership Teams (ELT) at Eden Housing. He is the communications advisor to the company's executive team and senior leaders across the company. He creates and executes strategies to ensure the company's human capital has the training and resources they need to support the growth of the organization.

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People." Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  ]]>3f02435e-3f22-4b44-80ab-6d07c3dad361Tue, 14 Jun 2022 07:04:43 -070058:04falsefull194941A Journey Through Race, Identity and True belonging. How Michael Fosberg discovered his Black identityIn this conversation on race, I'm joined by Michael Fosberg. Michael is a writer, actor and activist on issues of race. He is also a Black man who didn't know he was Black until he was in his mid-thirties when his Armenian mother and white Swedish step-father got divorced. That's when he went on his journey to find his biological father. Until then, Michael thought he was white.

  Listen to this fascinating conversation and hear the story of Michael Fosberg.

  Key topics:

  [6:27] How he found his father and then found out his biological father was Black.

  [15:31] Growing up in a diverse area and thinking he was one of two white people on the basketball team.

  [17:13] Why Michael's mother didn't tell him he was Black.

  [20:27] His lifelong connection to Black people and African-American culture and sudden understanding of why he had that connection.

  [31:21] What it's like for him, knowing he is Black but growing up with white privilege and how his skin color still gives him that privilege.

  [41:35] Responding to people who say they are colorblind.

  [46:28] Michael Fosberg answers the question of what to do about racism.

  Guest Bio

  Chicago native Michael Fosberg has been working to create a national dialogue on race and identity since 2001 when he launched his one-man autobiographical play Incognito. The author-activist has used the unique presentation, along with engaging interactive training sessions and speeches, to embrace diversity in an effort to change corporate and organization cultures.

  He has been a frequent guest in the national media speaking as an expert on race and identity issues. His travels have taken him across the country facilitating meaningful conversations at educational institutions, corporations, government agencies and military bases. His highly praised memoir; Incognito: An American Odyssey of Race and Self Discovery was published in 2011 and his newest book, Nobody Wants to Talk About It: Race, Identity, and the Difficulty in Forging Meaningful Conversations addresses his efforts to provoke conversations about race over the past fifteen years.

  Contact info: info@incognitotheplay.com

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People." Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  ]]>In this conversation on race, I'm joined by Michael Fosberg. Michael is a writer, actor and activist on issues of race. He is also a Black man who didn't know he was Black until he was in his mid-thirties when his Armenian mother and white Swedish step-father got divorced. That's when he went on his journey to find his biological father. Until then, Michael thought he was white.

  Listen to this fascinating conversation and hear the story of Michael Fosberg.

  Key topics:

  [6:27] How he found his father and then found out his biological father was Black.

  [15:31] Growing up in a diverse area and thinking he was one of two white people on the basketball team.

  [17:13] Why Michael's mother didn't tell him he was Black.

  [20:27] His lifelong connection to Black people and African-American culture and sudden understanding of why he had that connection.

  [31:21] What it's like for him, knowing he is Black but growing up with white privilege and how his skin color still gives him that privilege.

  [41:35] Responding to people who say they are colorblind.

  [46:28] Michael Fosberg answers the question of what to do about racism.

  Guest Bio

  Chicago native Michael Fosberg has been working to create a national dialogue on race and identity since 2001 when he launched his one-man autobiographical play Incognito. The author-activist has used the unique presentation, along with engaging interactive training sessions and speeches, to embrace diversity in an effort to change corporate and organization cultures.

  He has been a frequent guest in the national media speaking as an expert on race and identity issues. His travels have taken him across the country facilitating meaningful conversations at educational institutions, corporations, government agencies and military bases. His highly praised memoir; Incognito: An American Odyssey of Race and Self Discovery was published in 2011 and his newest book, Nobody Wants to Talk About It: Race, Identity, and the Difficulty in Forging Meaningful Conversations addresses his efforts to provoke conversations about race over the past fifteen years.

  Contact info: info@incognitotheplay.com

  Host Bio

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People." Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  ]]>cafe4f20-f0f0-4af9-b171-b488902ec351Thu, 19 May 2022 09:59:32 -070055:40falsefull193931How Women of Color Heal Racial Trauma With Deepa PurushothamanDeepa Purushothaman joins me in this conversation on race to talk about the racism, isolation, and trauma many women of color experience in corporate America.

  What is it like for a woman of color to get promoted up to the executive suite and still have to deal with microaggressions, blatant racism, and trivialization? What is it like to be the only person of color in your school and to hear people say how much they hate you? What is it like as a woman of color to constantly have to prove your accomplishments while white people are never questioned?

  Hear the answers to these questions in this episode with Deepa Purushotaman as she shares her experiences and those of other women of color in the workforce.

  Key Topics:

  [2:30] Growing up as the only Indian-American in her school in an almost all-white town.

  [4:35] First experience with racism and speaking out at the age of eight

  [7:30] The trauma of racism and its effect on physical and mental health.

  [10:29] The importance of women of color getting together, sharing their experiences, and helping to heal each other.

  [13:14] Letting go of feeling responsible for your "whole group" or race.

  [16:22] Coming to terms with burnout from microaggressions, trying to fit in, and feeling alone. How Deepa began organizing dinners with other senior women of color across the country to heal together.

  [31:00] How to practice scenarios as an ally, and speak up as a woman of color. Know what to say and take care of yourself and be able to express pain. How not to feel responsible for other people's reactions.

  [41:27] Address systems and structures that have never included women of color.

  [44:51] How losing everything and having to go on public assistance was a turning point for Deepa Purushothaman and intensified her consciousness and empathy.

  [48:08] Issues of colorism and why some Asian women are uncomfortable talking to Black women about race.

  [51:52] While there are differences amongst women of color, there are also similarities that need to be addressed together.

  Deepa Purushothaman Bio

  Many women of color have scars from climbing the corporate ladder. Sixty percent of WOC feel their companies are not properly prepared to handle racist incidents in the workplace – it's time to eliminate those incidents by creating unbiased and accountable corporate cultures.

  As the first Indian woman to become a partner at Deloitte, Deepa Purushothaman experienced isolation and burnout firsthand. And then came the overt workplace harassment. Her new book, THE FIRST, THE FEW, THE ONLY: How Women of Color Can Redefine Power in Corporate America (March 1, 2022, Harper Business), lays the groundwork for how other women of color can redefine success on their own terms. It's the book she says she needed when launching her own career.

  Contact Info:https://www.deepapuru.comhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/deepapuru

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People." Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition) https://inclusioncoalition.info

  ]]>Deepa Purushothaman joins me in this conversation on race to talk about the racism, isolation, and trauma many women of color experience in corporate America.

  What is it like for a woman of color to get promoted up to the executive suite and still have to deal with microaggressions, blatant racism, and trivialization? What is it like to be the only person of color in your school and to hear people say how much they hate you? What is it like as a woman of color to constantly have to prove your accomplishments while white people are never questioned?

  Hear the answers to these questions in this episode with Deepa Purushotaman as she shares her experiences and those of other women of color in the workforce.

  Key Topics:

  [2:30] Growing up as the only Indian-American in her school in an almost all-white town.

  [4:35] First experience with racism and speaking out at the age of eight

  [7:30] The trauma of racism and its effect on physical and mental health.

  [10:29] The importance of women of color getting together, sharing their experiences, and helping to heal each other.

  [13:14] Letting go of feeling responsible for your "whole group" or race.

  [16:22] Coming to terms with burnout from microaggressions, trying to fit in, and feeling alone. How Deepa began organizing dinners with other senior women of color across the country to heal together.

  [31:00] How to practice scenarios as an ally, and speak up as a woman of color. Know what to say and take care of yourself and be able to express pain. How not to feel responsible for other people's reactions.

  [41:27] Address systems and structures that have never included women of color.

  [44:51] How losing everything and having to go on public assistance was a turning point for Deepa Purushothaman and intensified her consciousness and empathy.

  [48:08] Issues of colorism and why some Asian women are uncomfortable talking to Black women about race.

  [51:52] While there are differences amongst women of color, there are also similarities that need to be addressed together.

  Deepa Purushothaman Bio

  Many women of color have scars from climbing the corporate ladder. Sixty percent of WOC feel their companies are not properly prepared to handle racist incidents in the workplace – it's time to eliminate those incidents by creating unbiased and accountable corporate cultures.

  As the first Indian woman to become a partner at Deloitte, Deepa Purushothaman experienced isolation and burnout firsthand. And then came the overt workplace harassment. Her new book, THE FIRST, THE FEW, THE ONLY: How Women of Color Can Redefine Power in Corporate America (March 1, 2022, Harper Business), lays the groundwork for how other women of color can redefine success on their own terms. It's the book she says she needed when launching her own career.

  Contact Info:https://www.deepapuru.comhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/deepapuru

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People." Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition) https://inclusioncoalition.info

  ]]>6b7dedee-d47a-433a-833a-1bfc8f5d55a7Thu, 05 May 2022 04:42:57 -070001:01:48falsefull192921How to End Racial Bias in Media with Karen Hunter and Daniel StedmanKaren Hunter, journalist and host of the Karen Hunter Show on Sirius XM and Daniel Stedman, founder of the New Ed-Tech platform Pressto, join me in this conversation on race. They share how Black students in the US and the African diaspora, and other low income and young people of color are using Pressto to create their own newspapers and zines. This is one solution for young people to express their views and share real experiences with race, culture and diversity instead of consuming false information from biased media.

  You'll hear how Karen had to confront her white editor at the Daily News about racial bias in their coverage of police shootings and how she convinced him to change his perspective.

  Key topics:

  • Real news gathering has been replaced by algorithms and public opinion presented as fake facts. That includes how gaslighting, misinformation, and disinformation take the place of actual fact gathering, particularly in issues around race and racism.

  • How Pressto gives young people hope and inspiration to be seen and heard, like how Daniela Fraser took out her phone and documented the murder of George Floyd.

  • What does it mean to be white? Karen Hunter asks why people identify as white and foster the system of white supremacy. She talks about race as a social construct, and why she wants to dismantle the construct of race.

  • Hunter's experience as a Black journalist with the Daily News when Amadou Diallo was murdered by police in his vestibule and how her editor wanted to glorify the police without knowing what happened. After she asked her editor if that could happen in a rich white neighborhood, he allowed her to address the issues of racism. She talks about the murder of Eleanor Bumpurs, Sean Bell and others who were killed by police because they were Black

  • Why Pressto can help young people of color and other kids be future journalists who get the truth out and share their stories.

  • How Daniel Stedman created the EdTech software Pressto, because he was inspired to make learning fun for kids and spark them to be journalists of the future.

  • The importance of diversity of ideas and bringing Pressto to the African Diaspora including Jamaica and Canada.

  • Karen asks Daniel Stedman about what it means to be white, if he sees himself as white. Daniel talks about his strong identification about his Jewish culture and what it means to be white.

  • The fact that the Nazi Nuremberg laws crafted their strategy from the Jim Crow laws in the US.

  Listen to the episode with Karen Hunter and Daniel Stedman to hear about the future of journalism, dismantling systemic racism and other bias in the media and how white people can use and share the privilege they have to take actions against racism.

  Guest Bios

  Daniel Stedman is the CEO & Founder of Pressto, a tool that makes learning to write fun for kids and easy for teachers. Previously, Daniel was the Founder of Northside Media (acquired), the parent company to Northside Festival, Taste Talks, SummerScreen and Brooklyn Magazine. He has spoken at CES, Orange Institute and SXSW and has been featured in the NY Times, New York Magazine, New York Observer, Huffington Post, and more. Daniel is a published children's book author and award-winning film director.

  Karen Hunter is a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, professor, publisher and "change agent," according to Essence magazine, which named her one of the "Woke100" of 2018. She was also selected to the 2020 Ebony magazine's Power 100 List. As a writer, Karen has coauthored eight New York Times bestsellers. As CEO of Karen Hunter Publishing, an imprint of Simon & Schuster, she published more than 35 books, including No. 1 NYT bestseller True You by pop icon Janet Jackson, as well as bestsellers with Kris Jenner and E. Lynn Harris. Karen has been named one of the 100 Most Important Radio Talk Show Hosts in America by industry bible Talkers Magazine every year since 2015. A New Jersey native, a Drew University graduate, Karen has been a full-time professor and Distinguished Lecturer in the Film & Media Department at Hunter College in New York City since 2004. In 2020, during the pandemic, Karen launched Knarrative, which is home to the largest Africana Studies classroom in the world.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People." Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  ]]>Karen Hunter, journalist and host of the Karen Hunter Show on Sirius XM and Daniel Stedman, founder of the New Ed-Tech platform Pressto, join me in this conversation on race. They share how Black students in the US and the African diaspora, and other low income and young people of color are using Pressto to create their own newspapers and zines. This is one solution for young people to express their views and share real experiences with race, culture and diversity instead of consuming false information from biased media.

  You'll hear how Karen had to confront her white editor at the Daily News about racial bias in their coverage of police shootings and how she convinced him to change his perspective.

  Key topics:

  • Real news gathering has been replaced by algorithms and public opinion presented as fake facts. That includes how gaslighting, misinformation, and disinformation take the place of actual fact gathering, particularly in issues around race and racism.

  • How Pressto gives young people hope and inspiration to be seen and heard, like how Daniela Fraser took out her phone and documented the murder of George Floyd.

  • What does it mean to be white? Karen Hunter asks why people identify as white and foster the system of white supremacy. She talks about race as a social construct, and why she wants to dismantle the construct of race.

  • Hunter's experience as a Black journalist with the Daily News when Amadou Diallo was murdered by police in his vestibule and how her editor wanted to glorify the police without knowing what happened. After she asked her editor if that could happen in a rich white neighborhood, he allowed her to address the issues of racism. She talks about the murder of Eleanor Bumpurs, Sean Bell and others who were killed by police because they were Black

  • Why Pressto can help young people of color and other kids be future journalists who get the truth out and share their stories.

  • How Daniel Stedman created the EdTech software Pressto, because he was inspired to make learning fun for kids and spark them to be journalists of the future.

  • The importance of diversity of ideas and bringing Pressto to the African Diaspora including Jamaica and Canada.

  • Karen asks Daniel Stedman about what it means to be white, if he sees himself as white. Daniel talks about his strong identification about his Jewish culture and what it means to be white.

  • The fact that the Nazi Nuremberg laws crafted their strategy from the Jim Crow laws in the US.

  Listen to the episode with Karen Hunter and Daniel Stedman to hear about the future of journalism, dismantling systemic racism and other bias in the media and how white people can use and share the privilege they have to take actions against racism.

  Guest Bios

  Daniel Stedman is the CEO & Founder of Pressto, a tool that makes learning to write fun for kids and easy for teachers. Previously, Daniel was the Founder of Northside Media (acquired), the parent company to Northside Festival, Taste Talks, SummerScreen and Brooklyn Magazine. He has spoken at CES, Orange Institute and SXSW and has been featured in the NY Times, New York Magazine, New York Observer, Huffington Post, and more. Daniel is a published children's book author and award-winning film director.

  Karen Hunter is a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, professor, publisher and "change agent," according to Essence magazine, which named her one of the "Woke100" of 2018. She was also selected to the 2020 Ebony magazine's Power 100 List. As a writer, Karen has coauthored eight New York Times bestsellers. As CEO of Karen Hunter Publishing, an imprint of Simon & Schuster, she published more than 35 books, including No. 1 NYT bestseller True You by pop icon Janet Jackson, as well as bestsellers with Kris Jenner and E. Lynn Harris. Karen has been named one of the 100 Most Important Radio Talk Show Hosts in America by industry bible Talkers Magazine every year since 2015. A New Jersey native, a Drew University graduate, Karen has been a full-time professor and Distinguished Lecturer in the Film & Media Department at Hunter College in New York City since 2004. In 2020, during the pandemic, Karen launched Knarrative, which is home to the largest Africana Studies classroom in the world.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People." Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)

  ]]>1bea5a75-e1a9-4baa-a659-db23d6870762Thu, 28 Apr 2022 03:27:17 -070059:00falsefull191911Black Men, White FearIn this Conversation on Race, John Blake, senior writer, and producer at CNN talks about anti-racist white men who grew up in racist families. They were surrounded by racism in their environment and grew up in red states, yet they chose a different path. Listen in to hear some of the stories and find out the factors that influenced their thinking and actions.

  We also talk about the epidemic and potential cures for the fear that many white people have about Black men in public spaces.

  Key topics:

  [5:11] How Matt Hawn, a white teacher in Tennessee became an anti-racist and then was fired for talking about racism to his students. Why white Pastor Gibson "Nibs" Stroupe from Arkansas founded a multi-cultural church in Decatur, Georgia, where he was an outspoken anti-racist.

  [9:54] The gradual change from racist beliefs to anti-racism. How do some people get trapped by their own identity?

  [11:21] White people need other white people who are anti-racist and have made a difference

  [13:07] The transformational power of meeting people from a different race and building relationships

  [16:35] The power of ordinary people to create change

  [17:26] Why change often comes from pressure at the bottom

  [18:33] The Epidemic of white fear of Black people in public spaces

  [39:33] Internalizing stereotypes and internalized racism

  [40:58] How John Blake let go of hostility towards white people after meeting his white mother.

  [45:15] Creating spaces for people of different races and cultures to interact and change.

  Guest Bio John Blake is an award-winning journalist at CNN.com, the online site for CNN and an author. He has been honored by the Associated Press, the Society of Professional Journalists, the American Academy of Religion, the National Association of Black Journalists, the Religion Communicators Council and with the GLAAD Media Award. He was most recently the winner of the 2019 Sigma Delta Chi awards for Excellence in Journalism for his online columns on race and politics. His 2020 essay, "There's One Epidemic We May Never Find a Cure For: Fear of Black Men in Public Spaces," was recently selected by Bustle Digital Group as one of the 11 best essays on racism and police violence. The other authors on that list included Ta-Nehisi Coates, Ibram X. Kendi, and Roxane Gay. Blake's book, "Children of the Movement," was a finalist for the 2005 NAACP Image Awards in the Outstanding Literary Work Non-Fiction category and a finalist for the Gustavus Myers Outstanding Book Awards. He has spoken at high schools, colleges, symposiums and in documentaries about topics such as race, religion and politics. Blake is a native of Baltimore, Maryland, and a graduate of Howard University.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition) https://inclusioncoalition.info

  ]]>In this Conversation on Race, John Blake, senior writer, and producer at CNN talks about anti-racist white men who grew up in racist families. They were surrounded by racism in their environment and grew up in red states, yet they chose a different path. Listen in to hear some of the stories and find out the factors that influenced their thinking and actions.

  We also talk about the epidemic and potential cures for the fear that many white people have about Black men in public spaces.

  Key topics:

  [5:11] How Matt Hawn, a white teacher in Tennessee became an anti-racist and then was fired for talking about racism to his students. Why white Pastor Gibson "Nibs" Stroupe from Arkansas founded a multi-cultural church in Decatur, Georgia, where he was an outspoken anti-racist.

  [9:54] The gradual change from racist beliefs to anti-racism. How do some people get trapped by their own identity?

  [11:21] White people need other white people who are anti-racist and have made a difference

  [13:07] The transformational power of meeting people from a different race and building relationships

  [16:35] The power of ordinary people to create change

  [17:26] Why change often comes from pressure at the bottom

  [18:33] The Epidemic of white fear of Black people in public spaces

  [39:33] Internalizing stereotypes and internalized racism

  [40:58] How John Blake let go of hostility towards white people after meeting his white mother.

  [45:15] Creating spaces for people of different races and cultures to interact and change.

  Guest Bio John Blake is an award-winning journalist at CNN.com, the online site for CNN and an author. He has been honored by the Associated Press, the Society of Professional Journalists, the American Academy of Religion, the National Association of Black Journalists, the Religion Communicators Council and with the GLAAD Media Award. He was most recently the winner of the 2019 Sigma Delta Chi awards for Excellence in Journalism for his online columns on race and politics. His 2020 essay, "There's One Epidemic We May Never Find a Cure For: Fear of Black Men in Public Spaces," was recently selected by Bustle Digital Group as one of the 11 best essays on racism and police violence. The other authors on that list included Ta-Nehisi Coates, Ibram X. Kendi, and Roxane Gay. Blake's book, "Children of the Movement," was a finalist for the 2005 NAACP Image Awards in the Outstanding Literary Work Non-Fiction category and a finalist for the Gustavus Myers Outstanding Book Awards. He has spoken at high schools, colleges, symposiums and in documentaries about topics such as race, religion and politics. Blake is a native of Baltimore, Maryland, and a graduate of Howard University.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition) https://inclusioncoalition.info

  ]]>7d67655e-e4a6-471b-82af-f3d1d038de22Thu, 31 Mar 2022 16:40:24 -070049:20falsebonus190901Episode 89: The R.A.C.E ProjectIn this conversation on race, I'm joined by my colleagues from the Brain Trust of the Shift Network R.A.C.E Project.

  Rev. Doctor Aliah Majon, the Chief Inclusion Officer of the Shift Network enlisted Mike Alexander and me to join her in the R.A.C.E Project.

  Aliah shares her experience as a Black woman who grew up in Detroit, how race and racism impacted her growing up, how she dropped out of high school, and then how she went on to get a double Ph.D.

  Mike Alexander talks about his experience as a Black police officer who went on to become a police chief and shares stories of how he dealt with the racism he encountered.

  Kapiolani Laronal shares her experience as an indigenous woman from Hawaii and the racism she has encountered in predominantly white schools.

  Key topics:

  [7:12] The R.A.C.E project and our role in making the world a better place. Our focus is on what we can do to dismantle racism, and the role that mind, body, spirit plays in individual change.

  [11:08] Mike Alexander, former Police Chief and now acting Police Chief in Texas talks about the importance of creating psychological safety when talking about race and racism with people.

  [23:23] How Mike has learned to self-regulate when he is confronted by racism and specific issues in the police department.

  Racism on the part of police officers, and the impact it had on him.

  [38:07] The importance of working with young people to dismantle the systemic racism embedded in the US throughout history

  [48:31] The work that Aliah has done with police departments around diversity, inclusion, equity, and race.

  The importance of being curious and willing to learn and change.

  Guests Bio

  Rev. Dr. Aliah (she/her) is an evolutionary and racial healing champion who believes that we are meant to be engines of evolution. Her methodologies are informed by firsthand experience growing up in the inner city of Detroit and losing her only child to suicide, as well as three decades serving as a corporate trainer, facilitator, and educational consultant.

  Mike Alexander earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in Criminal Justice from St. Edwards University in Austin, Texas. He earned a master's degree in Organizational Leadership from Southwestern Assemblies of God University in Waxahachie, Texas. Mike has over 40 years in law enforcement which began as a Correctional Officer and Deputy Sheriff at the Travis County Sheriff's Office.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist help leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition) https://inclusioncoalition.info

  ]]>In this conversation on race, I'm joined by my colleagues from the Brain Trust of the Shift Network R.A.C.E Project.

  Rev. Doctor Aliah Majon, the Chief Inclusion Officer of the Shift Network enlisted Mike Alexander and me to join her in the R.A.C.E Project.

  Aliah shares her experience as a Black woman who grew up in Detroit, how race and racism impacted her growing up, how she dropped out of high school, and then how she went on to get a double Ph.D.

  Mike Alexander talks about his experience as a Black police officer who went on to become a police chief and shares stories of how he dealt with the racism he encountered.

  Kapiolani Laronal shares her experience as an indigenous woman from Hawaii and the racism she has encountered in predominantly white schools.

  Key topics:

  [7:12] The R.A.C.E project and our role in making the world a better place. Our focus is on what we can do to dismantle racism, and the role that mind, body, spirit plays in individual change.

  [11:08] Mike Alexander, former Police Chief and now acting Police Chief in Texas talks about the importance of creating psychological safety when talking about race and racism with people.

  [23:23] How Mike has learned to self-regulate when he is confronted by racism and specific issues in the police department.

  Racism on the part of police officers, and the impact it had on him.

  [38:07] The importance of working with young people to dismantle the systemic racism embedded in the US throughout history

  [48:31] The work that Aliah has done with police departments around diversity, inclusion, equity, and race.

  The importance of being curious and willing to learn and change.

  Guests Bio

  Rev. Dr. Aliah (she/her) is an evolutionary and racial healing champion who believes that we are meant to be engines of evolution. Her methodologies are informed by firsthand experience growing up in the inner city of Detroit and losing her only child to suicide, as well as three decades serving as a corporate trainer, facilitator, and educational consultant.

  Mike Alexander earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in Criminal Justice from St. Edwards University in Austin, Texas. He earned a master's degree in Organizational Leadership from Southwestern Assemblies of God University in Waxahachie, Texas. Mike has over 40 years in law enforcement which began as a Correctional Officer and Deputy Sheriff at the Travis County Sheriff's Office.

  Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist help leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker and facilitator and the host of the podcast, "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People."

  Contact Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information

  Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition) https://inclusioncoalition.info

  ]]>e544e084-7cd4-40c5-90c3-25fc9559f383Sun, 20 Mar 2022 16:16:02 -070001:02:09falsefull189891Episode 88: Racism, Conflict, and Asian-American LeadershipIn this conversation on race, I'm joined by Jerry Fu. Jerry is a conflict resolution coach who helps Asian American leaders advance in their career and life journey. He's also a pharmacist. Jerry started coaching in 2017 to help other Asian American professionals deal with the conflicts they encounter at work with their culture and within themselves.

  Key topics:

  [1:33] Jerry Fu's journey from being a pharmacist to becoming a coach for Asian-American leaders in conflict resolution.

  [8:35] How early in his career and life, Jerry was conflict-averse and had to become more assertive in every aspect of his life.

  [10:53] Why he thinks it's important to talk about race.

  [12:00] Jerry's comments and thoughts about the increase in attacks against Asian-Americans. He shares several times in his life when he was targeted for being Asian-American.

  [22:23] Anti-Chinese sentiment and the fact that Asians are being attacked in different ways and blamed for Covid in the US.

  [28:13] How he helps Asian-American leaders deal with conflict and his thoughts on the source of conflict aversion

  [31:08] Fighting the stereotype of Asians as the "model minority."

  [33:00] What non-Asians need to know about Asian people

  [34:03] The importance of recognizing that there is not just one Asian culture but there are different countries and cultures in Asia

  [35:56] Stereotypes amongst Asian people towards other Asian cultures

  Guest Bio

  Jerry is a conflict resolution coach who helps Asian-American leaders advance in their career and life journeys. Having taken on several pharmacy leadership roles, Jerry started coaching in 2017 to help other Asian-American professionals deal with the conflict they encounter at work, with their culture, and within themselves.

  Prior to starting his coaching business, Jerry served as a pharmacist and began facilitating leadership workshops in 2012. Today, Jerry offers a range of coaching services, which includes individual coaching, group workshops, and keynote presentations. He has appeared on over seventy podcasts and plans to appear in plenty more. To learn more, you can visit https://www.adaptingleaders.com.

  ]]>In this conversation on race, I'm joined by Jerry Fu. Jerry is a conflict resolution coach who helps Asian American leaders advance in their career and life journey. He's also a pharmacist. Jerry started coaching in 2017 to help other Asian American professionals deal with the conflicts they encounter at work with their culture and within themselves.

  Key topics:

  [1:33] Jerry Fu's journey from being a pharmacist to becoming a coach for Asian-American leaders in conflict resolution.

  [8:35] How early in his career and life, Jerry was conflict-averse and had to become more assertive in every aspect of his life.

  [10:53] Why he thinks it's important to talk about race.

  [12:00] Jerry's comments and thoughts about the increase in attacks against Asian-Americans. He shares several times in his life when he was targeted for being Asian-American.

  [22:23] Anti-Chinese sentiment and the fact that Asians are being attacked in different ways and blamed for Covid in the US.

  [28:13] How he helps Asian-American leaders deal with conflict and his thoughts on the source of conflict aversion

  [31:08] Fighting the stereotype of Asians as the "model minority."

  [33:00] What non-Asians need to know about Asian people

  [34:03] The importance of recognizing that there is not just one Asian culture but there are different countries and cultures in Asia

  [35:56] Stereotypes amongst Asian people towards other Asian cultures

  Guest Bio

  Jerry is a conflict resolution coach who helps Asian-American leaders advance in their career and life journeys. Having taken on several pharmacy leadership roles, Jerry started coaching in 2017 to help other Asian-American professionals deal with the conflict they encounter at work, with their culture, and within themselves.

  Prior to starting his coaching business, Jerry served as a pharmacist and began facilitating leadership workshops in 2012. Today, Jerry offers a range of coaching services, which includes individual coaching, group workshops, and keynote presentations. He has appeared on over seventy podcasts and plans to appear in plenty more. To learn more, you can visit https://www.adaptingleaders.com.

  ]]>2dec84a1-79ff-417d-bdf7-5cb5b3d02201Sat, 26 Feb 2022 11:28:51 -070049:07falsefull188881Episode 87: Amr Awadallah and Sara Speer Selber; a Muslim/Jewish conversation on raceIn this exciting and dramatic conversation on race, I'm joined by Amr Awadallah former VP of developer relations for Google Cloud, and Sara Speer Selber, CEO of Quest Essential. Amr, a Muslim who was born in Egypt, and Sara, a Jewish woman born in the US. We talk about the ability to change and the need to allow people to change instead of canceling them for what they thought or did in the past.

  Amr was fired from Google after he wrote a paper called "We Are One," about how he used to not like Jewish people because of what he had heard about Jewish people as he grew up. But after meeting and getting to know Jewish people and even finding out he had Jewish DNA he changed his thinking. Some other employees at Google accused him of antisemitism. We talk about social justice, the need for education, and the importance of eradicating racism, antisemitism, homophobia, Islamophobia, and other hate, it's hypocritical and dangerous to "cancel," fire, or ban people who have changed. If we can't admit to past mistakes without fear, it will be almost impossible to get other people to let go of racism, etc.

  Sara Speer Selber shares how she was raised to agree with everything Israel did and not like Muslims. After getting to know Muslim women and hearing about a group called Salaam Shalom which brought Muslim and Jewish women together, she began to change her thinking. She went on to help start a chapter of Salaam Shalom in Texas where she lives.

  Key topics:

  [4:42] Amr tells his story of what he used to think about Jewish people and what happened to make him change and get to know Jewish people.

  [9:07] What happened when Simma was part of a Jewish-Palestinian dialogue group and the support she got from Palestinians when her partner died. The Palestinians in the group attended the Jewish services.

  [10:39] The stories Amr heard about Jewish people that shaped his thinking growing up.

  [12:10] How Sara met Amr when they were both on a Clubhouse for two weeks where Palestinians and Israelis shared their stories. Sara heard Amr talk about what happened to him at Google and she reached out to him.

  [17:06] Amr was in a deep depression about being fired and when Sara reached out to him it lifted his spirits. He talks about how he was impacted by all the Jewish people who reached out to him.

  [34.02] Why we all need to work together against climate change which can kill us all. When we hate and refuse to interact it stops us from moving forward and we can all be destroyed.

  [37.27] How the Muslim community came together in Texas to support the Rabbi and worshippers in the synagogue when people were taken hostage.

  Guests Bio

  Sara Speer Selber, Founding Partner of QuestEssential, has more than 40 years of experience managing people and organizations for excellence and success. Her career with for profit and non-profit entities has been characterized by entrepreneurial innovation and has been recognized repeatedly by professional and community groups for her business achievements and many contributions to the welfare of others.

  Dr. Amr Awadallah is the CEO and cofounder of ZIR AI, a company that is revolutionizing how we seek knowledge across all languages of the world. He previously served as VP of Developer Relations for Google Cloud until July 2021. Prior to joining Google in Nov 2019, Amr co-founded Cloudera in 2008 and as Global CTO, he spent 11 years working closely with enterprises around the world on how to ingest and extract value from big data (he famously coined the terms "schema-on-read vs schema-on-write").

  ]]>In this exciting and dramatic conversation on race, I'm joined by Amr Awadallah former VP of developer relations for Google Cloud, and Sara Speer Selber, CEO of Quest Essential. Amr, a Muslim who was born in Egypt, and Sara, a Jewish woman born in the US. We talk about the ability to change and the need to allow people to change instead of canceling them for what they thought or did in the past.

  Amr was fired from Google after he wrote a paper called "We Are One," about how he used to not like Jewish people because of what he had heard about Jewish people as he grew up. But after meeting and getting to know Jewish people and even finding out he had Jewish DNA he changed his thinking. Some other employees at Google accused him of antisemitism. We talk about social justice, the need for education, and the importance of eradicating racism, antisemitism, homophobia, Islamophobia, and other hate, it's hypocritical and dangerous to "cancel," fire, or ban people who have changed. If we can't admit to past mistakes without fear, it will be almost impossible to get other people to let go of racism, etc.

  Sara Speer Selber shares how she was raised to agree with everything Israel did and not like Muslims. After getting to know Muslim women and hearing about a group called Salaam Shalom which brought Muslim and Jewish women together, she began to change her thinking. She went on to help start a chapter of Salaam Shalom in Texas where she lives.

  Key topics:

  [4:42] Amr tells his story of what he used to think about Jewish people and what happened to make him change and get to know Jewish people.

  [9:07] What happened when Simma was part of a Jewish-Palestinian dialogue group and the support she got from Palestinians when her partner died. The Palestinians in the group attended the Jewish services.

  [10:39] The stories Amr heard about Jewish people that shaped his thinking growing up.

  [12:10] How Sara met Amr when they were both on a Clubhouse for two weeks where Palestinians and Israelis shared their stories. Sara heard Amr talk about what happened to him at Google and she reached out to him.

  [17:06] Amr was in a deep depression about being fired and when Sara reached out to him it lifted his spirits. He talks about how he was impacted by all the Jewish people who reached out to him.

  [34.02] Why we all need to work together against climate change which can kill us all. When we hate and refuse to interact it stops us from moving forward and we can all be destroyed.

  [37.27] How the Muslim community came together in Texas to support the Rabbi and worshippers in the synagogue when people were taken hostage.

  Guests Bio

  Sara Speer Selber, Founding Partner of QuestEssential, has more than 40 years of experience managing people and organizations for excellence and success. Her career with for profit and non-profit entities has been characterized by entrepreneurial innovation and has been recognized repeatedly by professional and community groups for her business achievements and many contributions to the welfare of others.

  Dr. Amr Awadallah is the CEO and cofounder of ZIR AI, a company that is revolutionizing how we seek knowledge across all languages of the world. He previously served as VP of Developer Relations for Google Cloud until July 2021. Prior to joining Google in Nov 2019, Amr co-founded Cloudera in 2008 and as Global CTO, he spent 11 years working closely with enterprises around the world on how to ingest and extract value from big data (he famously coined the terms "schema-on-read vs schema-on-write").

  ]]>5e4252c6-3391-478a-a604-e2c17c033d14Sun, 13 Feb 2022 08:24:31 -070050:51falsefull187871Episode 86: Healing From Life-long Racial TraumaSumi Mukherjee was bullied and tormented all his young life for his skin color, ethnicity, and Indian name. Let's hear how his experiences compelled him to write about his life to help other people of color.

  Key Topics

  [4:25] His first experience with race and racism was in elementary school. Being raised in an all-white city in Plymouth, Minnesota.

  People knew about white and black people but nothing about people from India.

  How his family tried everything to fit in as part of America by celebrating Christmas, putting up a tree, etc. but he was accepted.

  His shock at not being treated as an equal but being bullied by racists in school.

  The trauma of racist attacks by white kids at school

  He says he was the diversity of the school.

  [10:31] Although he had provisional economic privilege because of his family background, it did not negate the color of his skin, nor the outpour of hate against him and his parents.

  [12:20] How he was bullied, made fun of, and attacked because of his name Sumi. They also made fun of his last name, Mukherjee.

  Having to explain his background to people who had no understanding of who he was.

  [16:50] The terror of being harassed at night by people constantly calling his house making fun of his name and being targeted by racists.

  The trauma of living through racism for all people of color.

  [20:14] The effect on his self-esteem and mental health.

  How he was traumatized, the impact on his mental health, and developing OCD.

  The trauma of racism impacts all people of color and is life-long. It needs to be recognized and discussed.

  Sumi has had to deal with low self-esteem, feeling isolated and afraid. He has gotten help with mental health issues and fears. Today he writes and talks to people about racism, bullying, and getting through racial trauma.

  [24:54] What parents need to know to help their kids who are being bullied due to race. The importance of taking it seriously and not telling kids to ignore it.

  What white parents need to do to help their kids be allies and support their friends of color who are being bullied or attacked.

  [39:02] Sumi shares his struggles with trying to win white people over to like him. It shouldn't be the responsibility of people of color to win people over.

  How do you motivate people to care?

  Sumi Bio

  Author and Speaker Sumi Mukherjee published his first book titled "A Life Interrupted – the story of my battle with bullying and obsessive compulsive disorder" in July 2011. His second book published in July 2014, is titled "Father Figure – my mission to prevent child sexual abuse". His third book titled "How to stand up to workplace bullying and take on an unjust employer" was published in Jan 2017. His fourth and the latest book titled "Minority Viewpoint – my experience, as a person of color, with the American Justice System" was published in Dec 2020.

  ]]>Sumi Mukherjee was bullied and tormented all his young life for his skin color, ethnicity, and Indian name. Let's hear how his experiences compelled him to write about his life to help other people of color.

  Key Topics

  [4:25] His first experience with race and racism was in elementary school. Being raised in an all-white city in Plymouth, Minnesota.

  People knew about white and black people but nothing about people from India.

  How his family tried everything to fit in as part of America by celebrating Christmas, putting up a tree, etc. but he was accepted.

  His shock at not being treated as an equal but being bullied by racists in school.

  The trauma of racist attacks by white kids at school

  He says he was the diversity of the school.

  [10:31] Although he had provisional economic privilege because of his family background, it did not negate the color of his skin, nor the outpour of hate against him and his parents.

  [12:20] How he was bullied, made fun of, and attacked because of his name Sumi. They also made fun of his last name, Mukherjee.

  Having to explain his background to people who had no understanding of who he was.

  [16:50] The terror of being harassed at night by people constantly calling his house making fun of his name and being targeted by racists.

  The trauma of living through racism for all people of color.

  [20:14] The effect on his self-esteem and mental health.

  How he was traumatized, the impact on his mental health, and developing OCD.

  The trauma of racism impacts all people of color and is life-long. It needs to be recognized and discussed.

  Sumi has had to deal with low self-esteem, feeling isolated and afraid. He has gotten help with mental health issues and fears. Today he writes and talks to people about racism, bullying, and getting through racial trauma.

  [24:54] What parents need to know to help their kids who are being bullied due to race. The importance of taking it seriously and not telling kids to ignore it.

  What white parents need to do to help their kids be allies and support their friends of color who are being bullied or attacked.

  [39:02] Sumi shares his struggles with trying to win white people over to like him. It shouldn't be the responsibility of people of color to win people over.

  How do you motivate people to care?

  Sumi Bio

  Author and Speaker Sumi Mukherjee published his first book titled "A Life Interrupted – the story of my battle with bullying and obsessive compulsive disorder" in July 2011. His second book published in July 2014, is titled "Father Figure – my mission to prevent child sexual abuse". His third book titled "How to stand up to workplace bullying and take on an unjust employer" was published in Jan 2017. His fourth and the latest book titled "Minority Viewpoint – my experience, as a person of color, with the American Justice System" was published in Dec 2020.

  ]]>1e0fc6f3-b333-4d57-b276-f8cd97807b16Fri, 28 Jan 2022 14:36:21 -070051:35falsefull186861Episode 85: Conversation on Race with Steve Pemberton; Knowing and Embracing Our RootsIn this conversation on race I'm joined by Steve Pemberton, Chief Human Resources Officer of Workhuman. Steve shares his story of growing up in foster homes with no idea of his background, his identity, or his birth family. Although he was the biological son of a Black father and a white mother, he didn't know if he was Black or white until he located his biological family.

  He is the author of two books, "A Chance in the World," that chronicles his life story and "The Lighthouse Effect, How Ordinary People Can Have an Extraordinary Impact on the World."

  Key topics in this episode of "Everyday Conversations on Race," with Steve Pemberton

  • How Steve Pemberton is mixed race, (Black and white) and but never knew who he was
  • How his life experience has been the driving factor in his work in Diversity, Equity and Inclusion and social justice
  • The reactions of some of Steve's family members to him and his racial background
  • How America has fallen short in terms of embracing all cultures, races and faith and not living up to its founding principles
  • After the Civil Rights movement ended illegal segregation, we as a country chose legal segregation
  • Misunderstanding of the definition of "Critical Race Theory,"
  • Policies directed at people of color like voter suppression and redlining and how some white people get offended when racist policies are discussed
  • Persecution of his West Indian ancestors and his Irish ancestors when they came to the US
  • The importance of being aware of all our multiple identities and those of other people
  • How those multiple identities can help people find commonality but too often people stay "above the waterline," and treat people based on biases and wrong assumptions
  • Understanding common humanity and our complexities can bring people together
  • Why more people aren't questioning polarization but insist on embracing it
  • How Pemberton's organization Workhuman helps people recognize each other and feel included
  • Why we need a real framework for overcoming racism and creating a country and world where everyone can live, work, and build together
  • The different forms of recognition that Workhuman promotes and how that recognition supports Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion
  • How lack of inclusive and recognition holds people back from contributing and doing their best work
  • How Workhuman's work in ensuring employee recognition makes a difference in levels of happiness for people of color, and other underrepresented people.
  • The tendency of Millennials and Gen Z to care about social justice in organizations and how they will leave jobs where they don't see any effort to support equity
  • The role of organizations in social change, and how Steve Pemberton sees the key role they play
  • When employees have to deal with issues like racism, attacks against Asians, lack of support for Black Lives Matter, etc. they can't do their best work.
  • People who consider themselves allies have to do more than say slogans but need to engage and show support
  • What happens when people of color see their white friends stay silent when they see racism, and why we need people to do more than empathize
  • Allies need to step up and stand next to people who are being targeted and speak out against offensive comments and actions
  • Anyone and everyone can make a difference to support humanity, dignity, and fairness
  • How diversity and inclusion are not the same, what organizations can do to ensure that they have both
  
  

  Listen in to hear more of Steve Pemberton, find out what's on his playlist, and the books and films he recommends.

  Steve Pemberton Bio

  Passionate about building human-centered workplaces that recognize the value and potential of each and every employee, Steve Pemberton has made embracing humanity in the workplace the core of his responsibility.

  As the Chief Human Resources Officer of Workhuman, Steve is committed to working with HR leaders and senior management to transform and lead more connected, human-centered workplaces that accelerate learning, engagement and productivity. Steve aims to make the work more human in everything he does by fostering a sense of purpose in the workplace and ensuring equity for all.

  Steve also champions human rights efforts to ensure equality and access for all, both at home and in the workplace. This passionate advocacy has earned him honorary doctorates as well as the U.S. Congress' Horizon Award for his personal contributions and for setting a positive example for younger generations. He is the esteemed author of "The Lighthouse Effect: How Ordinary People Can Have an Extraordinary Impact in the World" and the USA Today best-selling memoir "A Chance in the World," following him on his search for his family. Steve is a graduate of Boston College and is involved with UCAN Chicago, Boys Hope Girls Hope and The United States Business Leadership Network as a board member.

  ]]>In this conversation on race I'm joined by Steve Pemberton, Chief Human Resources Officer of Workhuman. Steve shares his story of growing up in foster homes with no idea of his background, his identity, or his birth family. Although he was the biological son of a Black father and a white mother, he didn't know if he was Black or white until he located his biological family.

  He is the author of two books, "A Chance in the World," that chronicles his life story and "The Lighthouse Effect, How Ordinary People Can Have an Extraordinary Impact on the World."

  Key topics in this episode of "Everyday Conversations on Race," with Steve Pemberton

  • How Steve Pemberton is mixed race, (Black and white) and but never knew who he was
  • How his life experience has been the driving factor in his work in Diversity, Equity and Inclusion and social justice
  • The reactions of some of Steve's family members to him and his racial background
  • How America has fallen short in terms of embracing all cultures, races and faith and not living up to its founding principles
  • After the Civil Rights movement ended illegal segregation, we as a country chose legal segregation
  • Misunderstanding of the definition of "Critical Race Theory,"
  • Policies directed at people of color like voter suppression and redlining and how some white people get offended when racist policies are discussed
  • Persecution of his West Indian ancestors and his Irish ancestors when they came to the US
  • The importance of being aware of all our multiple identities and those of other people
  • How those multiple identities can help people find commonality but too often people stay "above the waterline," and treat people based on biases and wrong assumptions
  • Understanding common humanity and our complexities can bring people together
  • Why more people aren't questioning polarization but insist on embracing it
  • How Pemberton's organization Workhuman helps people recognize each other and feel included
  • Why we need a real framework for overcoming racism and creating a country and world where everyone can live, work, and build together
  • The different forms of recognition that Workhuman promotes and how that recognition supports Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion
  • How lack of inclusive and recognition holds people back from contributing and doing their best work
  • How Workhuman's work in ensuring employee recognition makes a difference in levels of happiness for people of color, and other underrepresented people.
  • The tendency of Millennials and Gen Z to care about social justice in organizations and how they will leave jobs where they don't see any effort to support equity
  • The role of organizations in social change, and how Steve Pemberton sees the key role they play
  • When employees have to deal with issues like racism, attacks against Asians, lack of support for Black Lives Matter, etc. they can't do their best work.
  • People who consider themselves allies have to do more than say slogans but need to engage and show support
  • What happens when people of color see their white friends stay silent when they see racism, and why we need people to do more than empathize
  • Allies need to step up and stand next to people who are being targeted and speak out against offensive comments and actions
  • Anyone and everyone can make a difference to support humanity, dignity, and fairness
  • How diversity and inclusion are not the same, what organizations can do to ensure that they have both
  
  

  Listen in to hear more of Steve Pemberton, find out what's on his playlist, and the books and films he recommends.

  Steve Pemberton Bio

  Passionate about building human-centered workplaces that recognize the value and potential of each and every employee, Steve Pemberton has made embracing humanity in the workplace the core of his responsibility.

  As the Chief Human Resources Officer of Workhuman, Steve is committed to working with HR leaders and senior management to transform and lead more connected, human-centered workplaces that accelerate learning, engagement and productivity. Steve aims to make the work more human in everything he does by fostering a sense of purpose in the workplace and ensuring equity for all.

  Steve also champions human rights efforts to ensure equality and access for all, both at home and in the workplace. This passionate advocacy has earned him honorary doctorates as well as the U.S. Congress' Horizon Award for his personal contributions and for setting a positive example for younger generations. He is the esteemed author of "The Lighthouse Effect: How Ordinary People Can Have an Extraordinary Impact in the World" and the USA Today best-selling memoir "A Chance in the World," following him on his search for his family. Steve is a graduate of Boston College and is involved with UCAN Chicago, Boys Hope Girls Hope and The United States Business Leadership Network as a board member.

  ]]>6d631ef8-7b23-44d3-8763-46d656b1d00bWed, 17 Nov 2021 15:43:44 -070001:08:48falsefull185851Episode 84: Conversation on Race and Racism With Omar L HarrisOmar L. Harris, former General Manager of GSK and Allergan, joins me in this conversation on race. He has more than 20 years of experience as a global pharmaceutical executive. Omart is the founder and managing partner at Intent Consulting, a firm dedicated to improving employee experience and organizational performance. He is the author of "Leader Board: The DNA of High-Performance Teams", "The Servant Leader's Manifesto", and "Be a J.E.D.I. Leader, Not a Boss".

  Omar shares his journey to the top, the cost to him as a Black man in America, and how he came to speak out and no longer compromise his identity and his beliefs.

  Key topics:

  • Omar's first experience with racism was when he was voted Prom King of his high school in Louisiana. The principal told him that he was "allowed" to be the Prom King to "snitch" on the other Black students. Harris refused, stood up to the principal, and kept his title
  • What happened when Omar L Harris met Ku Klux Klansman David Duke while in high school
  • How he was the only Black product manager, the only Black Director of Marketing and the only Black General Manager outside of Africa, and the only Black General Manager of a global company in the world
  • The psychic toll of assimilation and having to whitewash himself without even realizing it
  • Why he now feels responsible for opening the doors for other Black people
  • How he refuses to compromise his values and will always speak out against racism and discrimination of any kind
  • Why people who are not Black don't understand the full gravity of racism and the dangers of working while Black
  • Why white people who call themselves allies must be willing to speak out and take a stand with friends, family, and colleagues even if parts of their lives unravel as a result
  • How white allies can be more prepared to take action if they practice and prepare for different situations
  • His books on leadership and how they are different than white leadership books. Why it's essential that every CEO needs to take action against racism, or they are not real leaders
  • Check out his playlist, the TV shows he recommends, and the books he reads
  
  

  Bio

  OMAR L HARRIS (Charlotte, NC, born in Pittsburgh, PA) is the founder of Intent Consulting and TYMPO.io (the world's first and best SaaS application for employee inclusion), a Former GM (GSK and Allergan), Business and Servant Leadership Thought-Leader, Speaker, Award-Winning Bestselling Author of 5 books, including "Be a J.E.D.I. Leader, Not a Boss: Leadership in the Era of Corporate Social Justice, Equity, Diversity, and Inclusion", June 25 2021, "The Servant Leader's Manifesto", 2020, and "Leader Board: The DNA of High Performance Teams", 2019). With 20+ years of global pharmaceutical executive experience building teams, Omar has worked on 4 continents (U.S., Middle East, Asia and Latin America) for Pfizer, Merck, Schering-Plough and more. As a Gallup Certified Strengths Coach, Motivational Speaker, Entrepreneur and Florida A&M University Alumni, Harris is passionate about leading teams, high-performance coaching, and inspiring the future leaders of today and tomorrow to adopt the servant leader mindset and stop toxic leadership behaviors.

  Omar is also the Co-Author of "From Authors to Entrepreneurs F.A.T.E.: The Personal Side of Indie Publishing" (2015) and Author of "One Blood" fiction book (2011, pen name, Qwantu Amaru – currently being developed into a television series). Harris was a featured speaker at the 2021 International Institute of Leadership Conference with his compelling topic: "The End of the Boss – 7 Rules for the Modern Leader", a keynote speaker at the Leadership Harrisburg Area Graduation event, a featured speaker at the 2021 Rising Leaders Summit, a featured speaker at the BB21 Rise Conference, and a featured coach at the 11th annual WBECS Summit. His work has been featured by CNN HLN Weekend Express, WPXI-TV NBC Pittsburgh, Black News Channel, The Jewish Journal, The Beating Alpha Podcast, The Living Corporate Podcast, Real Leaders, SHRM Blog, Thrive Global, CEO World Magazine, Human Capital Innovations (HCI) Podcast, VoiceAmerica Business, Culture Stew and many more. As fun facts, Omar speaks 5 languages, plays 7 instruments, and started his first company at the age of 7.

  https://www.omarlharris.com/

  ]]>Omar L. Harris, former General Manager of GSK and Allergan, joins me in this conversation on race. He has more than 20 years of experience as a global pharmaceutical executive. Omart is the founder and managing partner at Intent Consulting, a firm dedicated to improving employee experience and organizational performance. He is the author of "Leader Board: The DNA of High-Performance Teams", "The Servant Leader's Manifesto", and "Be a J.E.D.I. Leader, Not a Boss".

  Omar shares his journey to the top, the cost to him as a Black man in America, and how he came to speak out and no longer compromise his identity and his beliefs.

  Key topics:

  • Omar's first experience with racism was when he was voted Prom King of his high school in Louisiana. The principal told him that he was "allowed" to be the Prom King to "snitch" on the other Black students. Harris refused, stood up to the principal, and kept his title
  • What happened when Omar L Harris met Ku Klux Klansman David Duke while in high school
  • How he was the only Black product manager, the only Black Director of Marketing and the only Black General Manager outside of Africa, and the only Black General Manager of a global company in the world
  • The psychic toll of assimilation and having to whitewash himself without even realizing it
  • Why he now feels responsible for opening the doors for other Black people
  • How he refuses to compromise his values and will always speak out against racism and discrimination of any kind
  • Why people who are not Black don't understand the full gravity of racism and the dangers of working while Black
  • Why white people who call themselves allies must be willing to speak out and take a stand with friends, family, and colleagues even if parts of their lives unravel as a result
  • How white allies can be more prepared to take action if they practice and prepare for different situations
  • His books on leadership and how they are different than white leadership books. Why it's essential that every CEO needs to take action against racism, or they are not real leaders
  • Check out his playlist, the TV shows he recommends, and the books he reads
  
  

  Bio

  OMAR L HARRIS (Charlotte, NC, born in Pittsburgh, PA) is the founder of Intent Consulting and TYMPO.io (the world's first and best SaaS application for employee inclusion), a Former GM (GSK and Allergan), Business and Servant Leadership Thought-Leader, Speaker, Award-Winning Bestselling Author of 5 books, including "Be a J.E.D.I. Leader, Not a Boss: Leadership in the Era of Corporate Social Justice, Equity, Diversity, and Inclusion", June 25 2021, "The Servant Leader's Manifesto", 2020, and "Leader Board: The DNA of High Performance Teams", 2019). With 20+ years of global pharmaceutical executive experience building teams, Omar has worked on 4 continents (U.S., Middle East, Asia and Latin America) for Pfizer, Merck, Schering-Plough and more. As a Gallup Certified Strengths Coach, Motivational Speaker, Entrepreneur and Florida A&M University Alumni, Harris is passionate about leading teams, high-performance coaching, and inspiring the future leaders of today and tomorrow to adopt the servant leader mindset and stop toxic leadership behaviors.

  Omar is also the Co-Author of "From Authors to Entrepreneurs F.A.T.E.: The Personal Side of Indie Publishing" (2015) and Author of "One Blood" fiction book (2011, pen name, Qwantu Amaru – currently being developed into a television series). Harris was a featured speaker at the 2021 International Institute of Leadership Conference with his compelling topic: "The End of the Boss – 7 Rules for the Modern Leader", a keynote speaker at the Leadership Harrisburg Area Graduation event, a featured speaker at the 2021 Rising Leaders Summit, a featured speaker at the BB21 Rise Conference, and a featured coach at the 11th annual WBECS Summit. His work has been featured by CNN HLN Weekend Express, WPXI-TV NBC Pittsburgh, Black News Channel, The Jewish Journal, The Beating Alpha Podcast, The Living Corporate Podcast, Real Leaders, SHRM Blog, Thrive Global, CEO World Magazine, Human Capital Innovations (HCI) Podcast, VoiceAmerica Business, Culture Stew and many more. As fun facts, Omar speaks 5 languages, plays 7 instruments, and started his first company at the age of 7.

  https://www.omarlharris.com/

  ]]>cefe7273-78b3-4c3f-a69c-e5fd44a42333Thu, 14 Oct 2021 16:13:46 -070001:04:58falsefull184841Episode 83: Changing American Companies from the Top DownIn this conversation on race, journalist Tony Chapelle joins me to talk about getting more women and people of color on corporate boards. Tony Chapelle, has recently retired after 36 years, as a business news reporter and producer.

  In his career, he has interviewed CEOs and corporate executives, and moderated panel discussions with corporate board directors of Fortune 1000 companies. Tony, has been interviewed more than 60 times for his insights on African Americans in business by the Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, CNN, CNBC, Fox Business channel.

  As an African American and as a journalist, Tony has been involved with efforts to bring more people of color on corporate boards which have been overwhelmingly white.

  "African Americans, other racial minorities, and white people of goodwill have tried almost every tactic known to man to effect racial justice in this country. In the more than 100-year evolution of the fight for equal opportunity, one of the most intractable excuses that we hear in the workplace is that a particular corporation would love to hire more Black folks, "If only we could find those who are qualified." On its surface, this seems to be a plausible rationale for not having people of color in the corporate workforce. But highly-qualified Blacks, Latinos, and Asians are out there in great numbers including those who could sit on the boards of directors at companies where they could make the great decisions and changes that would alter corporations from the top down. "

  Key topics: • How corporate boards run corporations, and influence decisions made by organizations and governments that impact our everyday lives • How companies can decide whether they're going to be good citizens, whether they're going to be profiteers, or whether they're going to just do as little as possible to be viewed as doing the right thing • The isolation of being the only Black person on national news networks and having to deal with constant racism • Why Tony Chapelle founded a newsletter for Black people on wall street • Why it's critical to this country and the world to get more people of color, women, and LGBTQ people on corporate boards • How climate change activists have gotten people on corporate boards • How and why created a directory of people of color, women, and LGBTQ people who are highly qualified to sit on corporate boards • Disproving the fallacy that there are not enough qualified POC, women, and LGBTQ to sit on boards • Which corporate leaders are bringing people POC, women, and LGBTQ to their corporate boards

  Bio

  Tony Chapelle recently retired after 36 years as a business news reporter and producer. For the past 20 years, he has interviewed CEOs and corporate executives, and has moderated panel discussions with corporate board directors at Fortune 1,000 companies. Chapelle has been interviewed more than 60 times for his insights on African Americans in business by The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, CNN, CNBC, Fox Business Channel, and a host of other news agencies. He worked his entire career in New York as a staffer at the Financial Times publication Agenda, CNN, Thomson Financial, and Johnson Publishing. In addition, he freelanced and he and his wife published a newsletter called Securities Pro for blacks on Wall Street. He also was the national editor for Jesse Jackson's newsletter for his Wall Street Project, which aimed to get corporate America to collaborate with Black companies. Chapelle graduated from the Columbia University School of Journalism in 1984.

  ]]>In this conversation on race, journalist Tony Chapelle joins me to talk about getting more women and people of color on corporate boards. Tony Chapelle, has recently retired after 36 years, as a business news reporter and producer.

  In his career, he has interviewed CEOs and corporate executives, and moderated panel discussions with corporate board directors of Fortune 1000 companies. Tony, has been interviewed more than 60 times for his insights on African Americans in business by the Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, CNN, CNBC, Fox Business channel.

  As an African American and as a journalist, Tony has been involved with efforts to bring more people of color on corporate boards which have been overwhelmingly white.

  "African Americans, other racial minorities, and white people of goodwill have tried almost every tactic known to man to effect racial justice in this country. In the more than 100-year evolution of the fight for equal opportunity, one of the most intractable excuses that we hear in the workplace is that a particular corporation would love to hire more Black folks, "If only we could find those who are qualified." On its surface, this seems to be a plausible rationale for not having people of color in the corporate workforce. But highly-qualified Blacks, Latinos, and Asians are out there in great numbers including those who could sit on the boards of directors at companies where they could make the great decisions and changes that would alter corporations from the top down. "

  Key topics: • How corporate boards run corporations, and influence decisions made by organizations and governments that impact our everyday lives • How companies can decide whether they're going to be good citizens, whether they're going to be profiteers, or whether they're going to just do as little as possible to be viewed as doing the right thing • The isolation of being the only Black person on national news networks and having to deal with constant racism • Why Tony Chapelle founded a newsletter for Black people on wall street • Why it's critical to this country and the world to get more people of color, women, and LGBTQ people on corporate boards • How climate change activists have gotten people on corporate boards • How and why created a directory of people of color, women, and LGBTQ people who are highly qualified to sit on corporate boards • Disproving the fallacy that there are not enough qualified POC, women, and LGBTQ to sit on boards • Which corporate leaders are bringing people POC, women, and LGBTQ to their corporate boards

  Bio

  Tony Chapelle recently retired after 36 years as a business news reporter and producer. For the past 20 years, he has interviewed CEOs and corporate executives, and has moderated panel discussions with corporate board directors at Fortune 1,000 companies. Chapelle has been interviewed more than 60 times for his insights on African Americans in business by The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, CNN, CNBC, Fox Business Channel, and a host of other news agencies. He worked his entire career in New York as a staffer at the Financial Times publication Agenda, CNN, Thomson Financial, and Johnson Publishing. In addition, he freelanced and he and his wife published a newsletter called Securities Pro for blacks on Wall Street. He also was the national editor for Jesse Jackson's newsletter for his Wall Street Project, which aimed to get corporate America to collaborate with Black companies. Chapelle graduated from the Columbia University School of Journalism in 1984.

  ]]>d7a46eb0-7a98-418e-a80b-252617fdf034Sat, 25 Sep 2021 11:13:32 -070058:10falsefull183831A Conversation on Race With Jeff Le, Victim of anti- Asian hateIn this conversation on race, I'm joined by Jeff Le, to talk about anti-Asian hate. He has been featured in Political magazine, The New York Times USA Today, and the Washington Post.

  Jeff shares his personal experience with being a victim of anti-Asian hate and no one offering any help. "Last March we were completely overwhelmed with the lockdown with the COVID-19. But there was a second thing going on at the same time, not just from public health in pandemic issue, but also there was a real hate issue. January, February, when there was rhetoric about the Kung Flu- the China virus, there was some scapegoating."

  If you think about American history, and you look at Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders in the country, there's been a long-standing history of xenophobia and discrimination. Chinese Americans and Japanese Americans have been here since the 1850s.Building railroads going across the country to California, for example, Japanese Americans, really setting up shop in the Bay Area, for example, face significant discrimination. That is something that's been around for quite some time. And if you fast forward if you look at American history there have been instances where, whenever there are issues in the world that affect Asia and the United States, there has been a direct moment of disdain, disagreement, and unfortunately acts of hate and violence that have happened. I was traveling for my last work trip before the pandemic really laid in. And I was walking through an airport. I needed to get to San Francisco, and a woman came up to me, spit on my face. And she told me to go back where I came from."

  "And as a proud Californian I wanted to tell her yes, I'm excited to go back to California, very much miss Mexican food. Unfortunately, she meant it in a more literal way. She meant, you know, based on what you Look, I know you're not from here, go back to China. Essentially. I'm Vietnamese American. That's a separate issue. But I was scapegoated, specifically for the virus, spit on in front of people in a public place that was federally regulated. Being spit on is something that's really debasing ,demeaning, dehumanizing, but that's not the issue. The issue is, and this is the conversations I know you've been leading. It's about creating environments that allow for that to happen. And unfortunately, there were about a dozen people who saw what happened. And not a single one of them did anything."

  Key topics covered:

  • The history of discrimination against Asians in the US

  • The Chinese Exclusionary Act

  • The internment of Japanese-Americans during World War Two.

  • How his parents who are Vietnamese-Americans started a chicken farm in Georgia, build relationships with neighbors only to be accused of being responsible for COVID 19

  • The relationship between the US relationship with China, anti-Asian hate, and blame for COVID 19

  • Relationship between mental health and attacks against Asians

  • Role of white supremacy in anti-Asian hate and physical attacks against Asians

  • The fear that Asian Pacific Islanders are living with, particularly the elderly

  • The murder of Vincent Chin in Detroit

  • History of unity amongst People of Color

  • Asian support of Black Lives Matter

  • How he has been verbally harassed in his neighborhood

  • The importance of being an active ally and not a silent bystander

  If you like what you hear on this show, please go to RaceConvo.com and download more episodes. Please share the show with at least one or two other people. Help us get our message across about spreading love across the globe, and stopping hate. If you would like to bring me to your organization to facilitate a panel or conversation on race or consult with you on inclusive leadership, please contact me at Simmalieberman.com. You can hit me up on Twitter, @theinclusionist or Instagram @simma.lieberman, or find me on LinkedIn.

  Jeff Le Bio

  Jeff Le has had a career at the highest levels of public policy and politics at the state, federal and international levels. A recognized thought leader in political advocacy and representation, his analysis and opinion-writing has been featured in POLITICO Magazine, The New York Times, USA Today, The Washington Post, FOX News, The Hill, Washingtonian, Roll Call, Bustle, Forbes, and local and regional newspapers in 30 states. During the height of the #StopAsianHate movement, Jeff penned an opinion piece that received national attention in POLITICO Magazine called I Thought I Knew How to Succeed as an Asian in U.S. Politics. Boy, Was I Wrong. that highlighted his experiences in workplace discrimination in politics and racism throughout his life.

  Jeff is now an executive leader in technology where he is Vice President of Public Policy and External Affairs for Rhino, a fintech startup working to give renters everywhere greater financial freedom through affordable insurance options. Prior to joining Rhino, Jeff was U.S. State and Local Public Policy Lead for VMware, a digital technology and infrastructure company, and managed the company's gubernatorial, state, county, and local relationships across all 50 states and Canada. Jeff focused on emerging technology policy, including privacy, 5G, broadband, cyber, sustainability, workforce development, diversity and inclusion, education, and IT modernization.

  ]]>In this conversation on race, I'm joined by Jeff Le, to talk about anti-Asian hate. He has been featured in Political magazine, The New York Times USA Today, and the Washington Post.

  Jeff shares his personal experience with being a victim of anti-Asian hate and no one offering any help. "Last March we were completely overwhelmed with the lockdown with the COVID-19. But there was a second thing going on at the same time, not just from public health in pandemic issue, but also there was a real hate issue. January, February, when there was rhetoric about the Kung Flu- the China virus, there was some scapegoating."

  If you think about American history, and you look at Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders in the country, there's been a long-standing history of xenophobia and discrimination. Chinese Americans and Japanese Americans have been here since the 1850s.Building railroads going across the country to California, for example, Japanese Americans, really setting up shop in the Bay Area, for example, face significant discrimination. That is something that's been around for quite some time. And if you fast forward if you look at American history there have been instances where, whenever there are issues in the world that affect Asia and the United States, there has been a direct moment of disdain, disagreement, and unfortunately acts of hate and violence that have happened. I was traveling for my last work trip before the pandemic really laid in. And I was walking through an airport. I needed to get to San Francisco, and a woman came up to me, spit on my face. And she told me to go back where I came from."

  "And as a proud Californian I wanted to tell her yes, I'm excited to go back to California, very much miss Mexican food. Unfortunately, she meant it in a more literal way. She meant, you know, based on what you Look, I know you're not from here, go back to China. Essentially. I'm Vietnamese American. That's a separate issue. But I was scapegoated, specifically for the virus, spit on in front of people in a public place that was federally regulated. Being spit on is something that's really debasing ,demeaning, dehumanizing, but that's not the issue. The issue is, and this is the conversations I know you've been leading. It's about creating environments that allow for that to happen. And unfortunately, there were about a dozen people who saw what happened. And not a single one of them did anything."

  Key topics covered:

  • The history of discrimination against Asians in the US

  • The Chinese Exclusionary Act

  • The internment of Japanese-Americans during World War Two.

  • How his parents who are Vietnamese-Americans started a chicken farm in Georgia, build relationships with neighbors only to be accused of being responsible for COVID 19

  • The relationship between the US relationship with China, anti-Asian hate, and blame for COVID 19

  • Relationship between mental health and attacks against Asians

  • Role of white supremacy in anti-Asian hate and physical attacks against Asians

  • The fear that Asian Pacific Islanders are living with, particularly the elderly

  • The murder of Vincent Chin in Detroit

  • History of unity amongst People of Color

  • Asian support of Black Lives Matter

  • How he has been verbally harassed in his neighborhood

  • The importance of being an active ally and not a silent bystander

  If you like what you hear on this show, please go to RaceConvo.com and download more episodes. Please share the show with at least one or two other people. Help us get our message across about spreading love across the globe, and stopping hate. If you would like to bring me to your organization to facilitate a panel or conversation on race or consult with you on inclusive leadership, please contact me at Simmalieberman.com. You can hit me up on Twitter, @theinclusionist or Instagram @simma.lieberman, or find me on LinkedIn.

  Jeff Le Bio

  Jeff Le has had a career at the highest levels of public policy and politics at the state, federal and international levels. A recognized thought leader in political advocacy and representation, his analysis and opinion-writing has been featured in POLITICO Magazine, The New York Times, USA Today, The Washington Post, FOX News, The Hill, Washingtonian, Roll Call, Bustle, Forbes, and local and regional newspapers in 30 states. During the height of the #StopAsianHate movement, Jeff penned an opinion piece that received national attention in POLITICO Magazine called I Thought I Knew How to Succeed as an Asian in U.S. Politics. Boy, Was I Wrong. that highlighted his experiences in workplace discrimination in politics and racism throughout his life.

  Jeff is now an executive leader in technology where he is Vice President of Public Policy and External Affairs for Rhino, a fintech startup working to give renters everywhere greater financial freedom through affordable insurance options. Prior to joining Rhino, Jeff was U.S. State and Local Public Policy Lead for VMware, a digital technology and infrastructure company, and managed the company's gubernatorial, state, county, and local relationships across all 50 states and Canada. Jeff focused on emerging technology policy, including privacy, 5G, broadband, cyber, sustainability, workforce development, diversity and inclusion, education, and IT modernization.

  ]]>c016eeb3-1ce3-463e-a74a-3eb94af798daWed, 18 Aug 2021 12:26:54 -070057:43falsefull182821Episode 81: Conversation on Race with Anti-Racist Karens; White Supremacy, Critical Race Theory, and US HistoryIn this episode on "Every Day Conversations on Race for Everyday People, " I'm joined by Karen Fleshman and Commissioner Karen Clopton who are KINOS- Karen in Name Only.

  Karen Clopton shares her experience growing up Compton, in South Central Los Angeles when it was a middle-class Black neighborhood. She was adopted by her maternal grandparents. Her paternal grandmother was from Scotland.

  Her maternal grandfather and his family were raised in Arkansas and worked on the plantation, where his parents had been enslaved. When he was five, there was a white massacre of Black sharecroppers who were meeting to organize a union to sell their crops. Violence and lynchings of Black people caused her grandfather to flee Arkansas and be part of the Great Migration in 1939. They went to Los Angeles.

  Her paternal grandfather fled Tennessee in 1920 because his father was lynched for allegedly looking at a white woman.

  Karen Fleshman is the founder of Racy Conversations. Their mission is to inspire the anti-racist generation. She moved to the SF Bay Area in 2014 and was fixated on Ferguson and was really affected when the police officer Darren Wilson was not indicted for killing Mike Brown.

  During this conversation on race, we talk about the real history of the US, colonialism and slavery, as well as the white massacres of Black people in 1919, 1927 and 1954.

  We also discuss the racial purity laws from 1641 to 1967 with "Loving vs Virginia," when inter-racial marriage was illegal. Even though those laws were no longer in place, the mindset stayed the same, and was ingrained from generation to generation amongst White people who made those racist laws.

  Listen to this episode and hear the advice that Karen Fleshman and Commissioner Karen Clopton provide to fight racism and to have productive conversations on race.

  Guest Bio

  Karen Fleshman is the founder of Racy Conversations and is a racial equity trainer and government accountability activist striving to build and support a community of people committed to love, learning, accountability, and action on race in America. She is the author of the book White Women, We Need to Talk: Doing Our Part to End Racism

  Karen Clopton is an award-winning trailblazer. Karen Valentia Clopton brings deep knowledge, demonstrated operational expertise, and non-partisan insight into the political and regulatory arenas. She has served in top leadership, board, and executive roles in both governmental and non-governmental organizations across many regulated industries. General Counsel and Vice President of Access and Inclusion for Incendio International, Inc.

  ]]>In this episode on "Every Day Conversations on Race for Everyday People, " I'm joined by Karen Fleshman and Commissioner Karen Clopton who are KINOS- Karen in Name Only.

  Karen Clopton shares her experience growing up Compton, in South Central Los Angeles when it was a middle-class Black neighborhood. She was adopted by her maternal grandparents. Her paternal grandmother was from Scotland.

  Her maternal grandfather and his family were raised in Arkansas and worked on the plantation, where his parents had been enslaved. When he was five, there was a white massacre of Black sharecroppers who were meeting to organize a union to sell their crops. Violence and lynchings of Black people caused her grandfather to flee Arkansas and be part of the Great Migration in 1939. They went to Los Angeles.

  Her paternal grandfather fled Tennessee in 1920 because his father was lynched for allegedly looking at a white woman.

  Karen Fleshman is the founder of Racy Conversations. Their mission is to inspire the anti-racist generation. She moved to the SF Bay Area in 2014 and was fixated on Ferguson and was really affected when the police officer Darren Wilson was not indicted for killing Mike Brown.

  During this conversation on race, we talk about the real history of the US, colonialism and slavery, as well as the white massacres of Black people in 1919, 1927 and 1954.

  We also discuss the racial purity laws from 1641 to 1967 with "Loving vs Virginia," when inter-racial marriage was illegal. Even though those laws were no longer in place, the mindset stayed the same, and was ingrained from generation to generation amongst White people who made those racist laws.

  Listen to this episode and hear the advice that Karen Fleshman and Commissioner Karen Clopton provide to fight racism and to have productive conversations on race.

  Guest Bio

  Karen Fleshman is the founder of Racy Conversations and is a racial equity trainer and government accountability activist striving to build and support a community of people committed to love, learning, accountability, and action on race in America. She is the author of the book White Women, We Need to Talk: Doing Our Part to End Racism

  Karen Clopton is an award-winning trailblazer. Karen Valentia Clopton brings deep knowledge, demonstrated operational expertise, and non-partisan insight into the political and regulatory arenas. She has served in top leadership, board, and executive roles in both governmental and non-governmental organizations across many regulated industries. General Counsel and Vice President of Access and Inclusion for Incendio International, Inc.

  ]]>1976ea38-c5e5-41be-a833-f1fb6a1e8c6cTue, 27 Jul 2021 15:00:53 -070001:16:33falsefull181811Episode 80: Critical Race Theory in Education Racist, a Conversation on Race With Sonia LewisSonia Lewis joins me on this conversation on race to talk about race, racism, inequity and critical race theory in education. She is a consultant and speaker in diversity, race and education.

  Key topics:

  • Sonia's decision to not salute American Flag when she was seven
  • Sonia's experience growing up in Richmond, California with a father who was one of the founders of the Black police officer's association
  • Historical background of the US educational system and the perpetuation of systemic racism
  • Why it's essential to be able to talk about race in schools
  • What really is Critical Race Theory
  • How white supremacists are playing on the ignorance and fears of many white people and distorting the definition of critical race theory
  • The history of racism in the US includes racism against, Asians, Latinos, Native Americans and also antisemitism
  • Jim Crow laws that stopped Black people from voting, owning property, getting education and keeping segregation
  • Could some of the pushback against Critical Race Theory be due to shame that some people feel about how people of color have been treated? Or is it just hate?
  • Three ways people can help dismantle racism
  
  

  If you like this episode of "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People," please share it with two other people. Help us disrupt the way people talk about race in order to stop hate, eliminate fear of differences and spread love across the globe. Remember to subscribe to the show.

  Conversations across race are sometimes hard but always necessary for the health of our organizations. If you understand the importance of creating organizations where everyone feels included and people are creative across differences, contact us now. Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  We're here for you.

  Sonia Lewis Bio

  She has been described as fearless and unflinching; driven by the integrity of hard work; a dreamer and problem solver; and a bully to the bullies with power and influence. Sonia Lewis co-founded ASCRIBE Educational Consulting on February 13, 2009, while sitting in a booth at Stage Coach Restaurant in Sacramento, CA, while having birthday brunch with a friend. They wrote a mission and vision statement on napkins. Sonia channeled how supported she felt at age 7 when she daringly challenged liberty and justice for all. Core to her dream for ASCRIBE was to lean on equity and resources for the most marginalized in community. A former high school Social Studies teacher and Program Director, Sonia took a leap of faith into the world of entrepreneurship. She is a visionary and isn't willing to accept the norm, as the standard we are forced to accept.

  ]]>Sonia Lewis joins me on this conversation on race to talk about race, racism, inequity and critical race theory in education. She is a consultant and speaker in diversity, race and education.

  Key topics:

  • Sonia's decision to not salute American Flag when she was seven
  • Sonia's experience growing up in Richmond, California with a father who was one of the founders of the Black police officer's association
  • Historical background of the US educational system and the perpetuation of systemic racism
  • Why it's essential to be able to talk about race in schools
  • What really is Critical Race Theory
  • How white supremacists are playing on the ignorance and fears of many white people and distorting the definition of critical race theory
  • The history of racism in the US includes racism against, Asians, Latinos, Native Americans and also antisemitism
  • Jim Crow laws that stopped Black people from voting, owning property, getting education and keeping segregation
  • Could some of the pushback against Critical Race Theory be due to shame that some people feel about how people of color have been treated? Or is it just hate?
  • Three ways people can help dismantle racism
  
  

  If you like this episode of "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People," please share it with two other people. Help us disrupt the way people talk about race in order to stop hate, eliminate fear of differences and spread love across the globe. Remember to subscribe to the show.

  Conversations across race are sometimes hard but always necessary for the health of our organizations. If you understand the importance of creating organizations where everyone feels included and people are creative across differences, contact us now. Simma@SimmaLieberman.com

  We're here for you.

  Sonia Lewis Bio

  She has been described as fearless and unflinching; driven by the integrity of hard work; a dreamer and problem solver; and a bully to the bullies with power and influence. Sonia Lewis co-founded ASCRIBE Educational Consulting on February 13, 2009, while sitting in a booth at Stage Coach Restaurant in Sacramento, CA, while having birthday brunch with a friend. They wrote a mission and vision statement on napkins. Sonia channeled how supported she felt at age 7 when she daringly challenged liberty and justice for all. Core to her dream for ASCRIBE was to lean on equity and resources for the most marginalized in community. A former high school Social Studies teacher and Program Director, Sonia took a leap of faith into the world of entrepreneurship. She is a visionary and isn't willing to accept the norm, as the standard we are forced to accept.

  ]]>8e003494-f685-4e70-9f06-fac83f6ade14Mon, 12 Jul 2021 08:27:57 -070054:40falsefull180801Episode 79: Racism and Emotional Well-being in a Conversation on Race with Katara McCartyI'm joined in this conversation on race by Katara McCarty. Katara is an emotional well-being advocate for BIWOC (Black, Indigenous, Women of Color) She developed an app called Exhale for BIWOC to support their emotional well-being and manage their particular stress.

  Key Topics:

  • How Katara was born bi-racial (white mother and Black father) in 1972 and left by her mother in the hospital and then adopted and raised by a Black gay woman and her mother in 1972. Why she identifies as a Black woman instead of bi-racial.

  • How systemic racism has resulted in stress, trauma, and life-threatening illnesses for Black, Indigenous Women of Color.

  • Why Katara McCarty got involved in wellness after seeing that the wellness industry was primarily white.

  • How she came to understand that the needs of BIWOC are different than white women who have not had the same trauma.

  • How the killings of George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery, and Breonna Taylor and the resulting trauma to Black, Indigenous, People of Color, and Femmes caused her to develop her app to deal with their stress and anxiety that white people don't have.

  • How many coaching programs in organizations are geared towards white people with white coaches who are not conscious about racism and the issues that non-white people have to deal with to navigate the corporate environment?

  • What is in the app, meditations, breathwork techniques, coaching talks, and daily affirmations? They are in 45 countries.

  • The need for everyone to practice anti-racism. Systemic racism is pervasive. How white people must play a key role in dismantling racist systems that they benefit from. What that will mean.

  • Katara McCarty talks about the increase in her anxiety level, how the app helps her. The importance of people unpacking their own biases. She suggests people take the 20-day anti-racist challenge by Layla Saad.

  • Suggested resource Me and White Supremacy by Layla Saad.

  • Her Exhale app empowers Black, Indigenous, People of Color, and Femmes to do self-care and teaches them how to meditate, breathe and feel good.

  • Advice to people who want to talk about race:

  1- Do your own work.

  2- Know yourself.

  3- Don't ask Black people to be your teachers, or educate you.

  4- Unlearn, learn and relearn about racism.

  Tweetable Quotes:

  "We have to create practices in our lives, to help manage the stress, anxiety, and trauma brought on by systemic racism, anti-blackness, micro aggressions, because it is killing us, there are resources to help us get that trauma, that stress, and that anxiety out of our bodies." - Katara McCarty

  "Most of those people were white that were paying for my services. So went from 20 years of work. Working with people on the margins to now I'm a coach and I have an all-white clientele, which didn't resonate with my values and how I want to show up for my community." - Katara McCarty

  Bio:

  From out of the realities of abandonment by her biological mother, being bi-racial and growing up in a Black home, Katara McCarty realized early in life that the color of her skin mattered. After becoming a single mother at 19 and finding the courage to leave an abusive relationship, Katara became an entrepreneur holding leadership positions in both non- and for-profit organizations.

  Today, Katara is a sought-after coach, author, and podcast host dedicated to cultivating brave spaces where all Black, Indigenous, Women of Color (BIWOC) belong. As a Black woman, she is committed to amplifying the richness of BIWOC and their stories, while also advocating for and providing emotional well-being resources for BIWOC, through her app EXHALE.

  ]]>I'm joined in this conversation on race by Katara McCarty. Katara is an emotional well-being advocate for BIWOC (Black, Indigenous, Women of Color) She developed an app called Exhale for BIWOC to support their emotional well-being and manage their particular stress.

  Key Topics:

  • How Katara was born bi-racial (white mother and Black father) in 1972 and left by her mother in the hospital and then adopted and raised by a Black gay woman and her mother in 1972. Why she identifies as a Black woman instead of bi-racial.

  • How systemic racism has resulted in stress, trauma, and life-threatening illnesses for Black, Indigenous Women of Color.

  • Why Katara McCarty got involved in wellness after seeing that the wellness industry was primarily white.

  • How she came to understand that the needs of BIWOC are different than white women who have not had the same trauma.

  • How the killings of George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery, and Breonna Taylor and the resulting trauma to Black, Indigenous, People of Color, and Femmes caused her to develop her app to deal with their stress and anxiety that white people don't have.

  • How many coaching programs in organizations are geared towards white people with white coaches who are not conscious about racism and the issues that non-white people have to deal with to navigate the corporate environment?

  • What is in the app, meditations, breathwork techniques, coaching talks, and daily affirmations? They are in 45 countries.

  • The need for everyone to practice anti-racism. Systemic racism is pervasive. How white people must play a key role in dismantling racist systems that they benefit from. What that will mean.

  • Katara McCarty talks about the increase in her anxiety level, how the app helps her. The importance of people unpacking their own biases. She suggests people take the 20-day anti-racist challenge by Layla Saad.

  • Suggested resource Me and White Supremacy by Layla Saad.

  • Her Exhale app empowers Black, Indigenous, People of Color, and Femmes to do self-care and teaches them how to meditate, breathe and feel good.

  • Advice to people who want to talk about race:

  1- Do your own work.

  2- Know yourself.

  3- Don't ask Black people to be your teachers, or educate you.

  4- Unlearn, learn and relearn about racism.

  Tweetable Quotes:

  "We have to create practices in our lives, to help manage the stress, anxiety, and trauma brought on by systemic racism, anti-blackness, micro aggressions, because it is killing us, there are resources to help us get that trauma, that stress, and that anxiety out of our bodies." - Katara McCarty

  "Most of those people were white that were paying for my services. So went from 20 years of work. Working with people on the margins to now I'm a coach and I have an all-white clientele, which didn't resonate with my values and how I want to show up for my community." - Katara McCarty

  Bio:

  From out of the realities of abandonment by her biological mother, being bi-racial and growing up in a Black home, Katara McCarty realized early in life that the color of her skin mattered. After becoming a single mother at 19 and finding the courage to leave an abusive relationship, Katara became an entrepreneur holding leadership positions in both non- and for-profit organizations.

  Today, Katara is a sought-after coach, author, and podcast host dedicated to cultivating brave spaces where all Black, Indigenous, Women of Color (BIWOC) belong. As a Black woman, she is committed to amplifying the richness of BIWOC and their stories, while also advocating for and providing emotional well-being resources for BIWOC, through her app EXHALE.

  ]]>f8dc3cc9-6024-4db8-9110-1133b3c8587aFri, 25 Jun 2021 10:41:32 -070054:47falsefull179791Episode 78: Living While Black with Amy and Hardy NickersonIn this conversation on race, I'm joined by Amy and Hardy Nickerson. Amy is an author, creator, lecturer, educational consultant, and diversity/inclusion/antiracism advocate. Hardy Nickerson is a Former NFL All Pro linebacker (16-year career), NFL and college coach, and Amy's husband of 32 years. He's a football consultant and strategist, online coach, and now an MBA candidate.

  In this episode Amy and Hardy talk about their experiences with police, racism and stereotyping, and concern for their children as African-Americans in the US.

  Key topics:

  [2:12] The frightening experience of a Black family driving through Florida and being stopped and interrogated by police for no reason.

  [4:47] How young Black boys get labeled aggressive early on in elementary school, while nothing happens to young white boys who are doing the same things.

  [12:55] What white people say to Black people to discount their experiences with race and racist police while driving

  [14:13] What white people can do and what they should not do if they are in a car with a Black friend who gets stopped by the police.

  [18:24] No matter how much money you have, if you are a Black person you are not immune to racism or racist violence.

  [26:43] Athletes who are speaking out now.

  The importance of voter registration and the threat or Black voter suppression

  [28:14] Why it can be dangerous for Black people to call the police even when they are victims of crimes.

  [31:09] Reactions to the George Floyd verdict of guilty for Dereck Chauvin

  [42:20] What bystanders need to do to be active allies and save lives. The importance of standing up and taking an action

  [54:00] How white people can school themselves, understand racism and be anti-racist

  Bio and Contact Info

  Amy Nickerson is an author, speaker, educational consultant, and antiracism & social justice advocate. Her book How Do You See Us?, an Amazon bestselling new release, details her family's harrowing accounts of encounters with police and the racism they often experience. Using their stories, Amy unpacks the long reach of racism in America, exploring how and why tensions continue to escalate. She addresses audiences ranging from local schools to the FBI National Academy, guiding conversations about race and social justice.

  Married 31 years to husband Hardy, former NFL All-Pro linebacker and NFL/College coach, and having raised three student-athletes, Amy also possesses extensive knowledge and understanding of sports at the professional, college and high school levels. She is experienced in curriculum development and college instruction specializing in student-athletes' experiences and the impact of structural forces and systemic racism on their lives. Amy holds two degrees from UC Berkeley – BA (Afro-American Studies/Social Sciences) and MA (Education – Cultural Studies of Sport in Education), and is a Board member and chair of the Education Committee for the Freedom Football League (FFL), a newly formed professional football league.

  Contact info:

  Book: How Do You See Us? Our Lived Realities of Being Viewed As a Threat

  Email LinkedIn Facebook Instagram HowDoYouSeeUs.com AmyNickerson.net

  Hardy Nickerson

  Former NCAA Power 5 Defensive Coordinator and Former NFL Assistant Coach. Retired NFL Player, was 5x Pro Bowler, 4x NFL All-Pro, 1990's NFL All-Decade Team. Highly Skilled Football Coach, Team Leader and Change Agent. Bachelor of Arts (B.A.) from UC Berkeley.

  Instagram

  Twitter

  ]]>In this conversation on race, I'm joined by Amy and Hardy Nickerson. Amy is an author, creator, lecturer, educational consultant, and diversity/inclusion/antiracism advocate. Hardy Nickerson is a Former NFL All Pro linebacker (16-year career), NFL and college coach, and Amy's husband of 32 years. He's a football consultant and strategist, online coach, and now an MBA candidate.

  In this episode Amy and Hardy talk about their experiences with police, racism and stereotyping, and concern for their children as African-Americans in the US.

  Key topics:

  [2:12] The frightening experience of a Black family driving through Florida and being stopped and interrogated by police for no reason.

  [4:47] How young Black boys get labeled aggressive early on in elementary school, while nothing happens to young white boys who are doing the same things.

  [12:55] What white people say to Black people to discount their experiences with race and racist police while driving

  [14:13] What white people can do and what they should not do if they are in a car with a Black friend who gets stopped by the police.

  [18:24] No matter how much money you have, if you are a Black person you are not immune to racism or racist violence.

  [26:43] Athletes who are speaking out now.

  The importance of voter registration and the threat or Black voter suppression

  [28:14] Why it can be dangerous for Black people to call the police even when they are victims of crimes.

  [31:09] Reactions to the George Floyd verdict of guilty for Dereck Chauvin

  [42:20] What bystanders need to do to be active allies and save lives. The importance of standing up and taking an action

  [54:00] How white people can school themselves, understand racism and be anti-racist

  Bio and Contact Info

  Amy Nickerson is an author, speaker, educational consultant, and antiracism & social justice advocate. Her book How Do You See Us?, an Amazon bestselling new release, details her family's harrowing accounts of encounters with police and the racism they often experience. Using their stories, Amy unpacks the long reach of racism in America, exploring how and why tensions continue to escalate. She addresses audiences ranging from local schools to the FBI National Academy, guiding conversations about race and social justice.

  Married 31 years to husband Hardy, former NFL All-Pro linebacker and NFL/College coach, and having raised three student-athletes, Amy also possesses extensive knowledge and understanding of sports at the professional, college and high school levels. She is experienced in curriculum development and college instruction specializing in student-athletes' experiences and the impact of structural forces and systemic racism on their lives. Amy holds two degrees from UC Berkeley – BA (Afro-American Studies/Social Sciences) and MA (Education – Cultural Studies of Sport in Education), and is a Board member and chair of the Education Committee for the Freedom Football League (FFL), a newly formed professional football league.

  Contact info:

  Book: How Do You See Us? Our Lived Realities of Being Viewed As a Threat

  Email LinkedIn Facebook Instagram HowDoYouSeeUs.com AmyNickerson.net

  Hardy Nickerson

  Former NCAA Power 5 Defensive Coordinator and Former NFL Assistant Coach. Retired NFL Player, was 5x Pro Bowler, 4x NFL All-Pro, 1990's NFL All-Decade Team. Highly Skilled Football Coach, Team Leader and Change Agent. Bachelor of Arts (B.A.) from UC Berkeley.

  Instagram

  Twitter

  ]]>48c386d3-98bd-4556-b28f-80e8dc83c90fTue, 08 Jun 2021 15:35:40 -070001:01:11falsefull178781Episode 77: Can Gamification Fight Racism A Conversation on Race with 1HuddleOn this conversation on race, I'm joined by Sam Caucci, CEO and Nora Boussatta, sales leader from the organization 1Huddle. We talk about how 1Huddle a company that creates games to reinforce learning uses gamification to educate people about race and racism.

  Key Topics

  [3:00] Nora shares her experience growing up biracial, and Muslim-American in New Jersey. Her father was born in Morocco and she was raised in a Muslim-American home

  [4:26] Nora talks about her first experience with race and racism wanting to fit in at her mostly white college.

  [5:43] Sam shares growing up in a blue-collar home and becoming an entrepreneur.

  [7:25] Race is personally important to Sam because his wife is Black with a father from Jamaica. They have a daughter and he is concerned about how racism will impact her. He wants her to be safe and successful.

  [11:01] Sam and the other people at 1Huddle began to develop games to support issues of social justice, racism and Black History month. He shares how they came up with their ideas.

  The process of game creation which included putting Obama's book into a game, info from "Just Mercy" by Bryan Stevenson, "How to be an Anti-Racist" by Ibram Kendi and content from history.

  25:40 Sam talks about why companies have to address racism, and put money behind their words. He addresses his role as a white male co-founder in supporting diversity, equity and inclusion.

  32:46

  Nora shares having to push back against white male student making racist remarks to her.

  Studies that show people with white sounding names get more interviews than people with African-American sounding names who have the same if not better qualifications and more experience

  ]]>On this conversation on race, I'm joined by Sam Caucci, CEO and Nora Boussatta, sales leader from the organization 1Huddle. We talk about how 1Huddle a company that creates games to reinforce learning uses gamification to educate people about race and racism.

  Key Topics

  [3:00] Nora shares her experience growing up biracial, and Muslim-American in New Jersey. Her father was born in Morocco and she was raised in a Muslim-American home

  [4:26] Nora talks about her first experience with race and racism wanting to fit in at her mostly white college.

  [5:43] Sam shares growing up in a blue-collar home and becoming an entrepreneur.

  [7:25] Race is personally important to Sam because his wife is Black with a father from Jamaica. They have a daughter and he is concerned about how racism will impact her. He wants her to be safe and successful.

  [11:01] Sam and the other people at 1Huddle began to develop games to support issues of social justice, racism and Black History month. He shares how they came up with their ideas.

  The process of game creation which included putting Obama's book into a game, info from "Just Mercy" by Bryan Stevenson, "How to be an Anti-Racist" by Ibram Kendi and content from history.

  25:40 Sam talks about why companies have to address racism, and put money behind their words. He addresses his role as a white male co-founder in supporting diversity, equity and inclusion.

  32:46

  Nora shares having to push back against white male student making racist remarks to her.

  Studies that show people with white sounding names get more interviews than people with African-American sounding names who have the same if not better qualifications and more experience

  ]]>d60f30c2-b76c-4acf-aa33-f992ee820684Tue, 25 May 2021 13:28:53 -070057:11falsefull177771Conversation on Race and Jews of Color with Ilana KaufmanIn this Conversation on Race, Ilana Kaufman, executive director of the Jews of Color Initiative shares her experience and perspective as an African-American Jew.

  Her work has been featured in books on Black Power, Jewish politics, and moral resistance, and spiritual authority. She's been featured in "The New York Times" and has published articles in the "The Forward", "Jewish Philosophy", and the "Foundation Review".

  Key Topics:

  • The Jews of Color Initiative – was founded three years ago to create some infrastructure for Jews of Color inside the Jewish community. "We wanted to answer the questions how do we respond as Jews of Color, and how do we center Jews of color in all of our conversations?".
  • Results of research and survey to count Jews of Color in the US.
  • Focus on Jewish people who self-identify as Jews of Color
  • The impact of racism outside the Jewish community, and within the Jewish community from white Jewish people.
  • How you can be a white Jew and be racist even having been oppressed as a Jewish person
  • One oppression doesn't cancel out the other
  • The complex makeup of the Jewish community, and the diversity of Jewish people in the US and the world
  • Why everyone's liberation is tied together
  • How the US invented the concept of whiteness to enslave, and force people into labor who were Black and Brown, Indigenous, and Asian in this country
  • Different perspectives on race, racism, Israel, colonialism, amongst Jewish people based on age and direct relationship to the holocaust
  • How the trauma of the holocaust is passed down and its impact on safety and behavior for Jewish people
  • The increasing racial diversity of younger Jewish people
  • How the Black Power movement was the foundation for the movement to free Soviet Jews
  • Jews of Color have to deal with racism amongst white Jews and both racism and antisemitism outside the Jewish community.
  
  

  About Ilana Kaufman

  Ilana Kaufman is the Director of the Jews of Color Field Building Initiative, a national project housed at the Leichtag Foundation. The initiative, inspired by a team of racially diverse Jewish community leaders and motivated funders, informed by racial equity and justice, and anchored by the voices and experience of Jews of Color is focused on grant making, research and field building, and community education. As a guest on NPR's Code Switch, with pieces featured in eJewish Philanthropy and The Foundation Review, and an Eli Talk titled Who Counts, Race and the Jewish Future with 16,000 views, Ilana is passionate about all things at the intersection of Jewish Community/Racial Justice/Jews of Color/Education/Philanthropy. Prior to joining the Jews of Color Field Building Initiative Ilana was the Public Affairs and Civic Engagement Director, East Bay for the San Francisco, Bay Area Jewish Community Relations Council. Ilana, a Schusterman Fellow who is always searching Jewish Text for discussion of equity and justice received her B.A. in Sociology from California State University-Humboldt, and her M.A. in Educational Pedagogy from Mills College.

  Contact Info:

  Website Newsletter LinkedIn Facebook Twitter

  ]]>In this Conversation on Race, Ilana Kaufman, executive director of the Jews of Color Initiative shares her experience and perspective as an African-American Jew.

  Her work has been featured in books on Black Power, Jewish politics, and moral resistance, and spiritual authority. She's been featured in "The New York Times" and has published articles in the "The Forward", "Jewish Philosophy", and the "Foundation Review".

  Key Topics:

  • The Jews of Color Initiative – was founded three years ago to create some infrastructure for Jews of Color inside the Jewish community. "We wanted to answer the questions how do we respond as Jews of Color, and how do we center Jews of color in all of our conversations?".
  • Results of research and survey to count Jews of Color in the US.
  • Focus on Jewish people who self-identify as Jews of Color
  • The impact of racism outside the Jewish community, and within the Jewish community from white Jewish people.
  • How you can be a white Jew and be racist even having been oppressed as a Jewish person
  • One oppression doesn't cancel out the other
  • The complex makeup of the Jewish community, and the diversity of Jewish people in the US and the world
  • Why everyone's liberation is tied together
  • How the US invented the concept of whiteness to enslave, and force people into labor who were Black and Brown, Indigenous, and Asian in this country
  • Different perspectives on race, racism, Israel, colonialism, amongst Jewish people based on age and direct relationship to the holocaust
  • How the trauma of the holocaust is passed down and its impact on safety and behavior for Jewish people
  • The increasing racial diversity of younger Jewish people
  • How the Black Power movement was the foundation for the movement to free Soviet Jews
  • Jews of Color have to deal with racism amongst white Jews and both racism and antisemitism outside the Jewish community.
  
  

  About Ilana Kaufman

  Ilana Kaufman is the Director of the Jews of Color Field Building Initiative, a national project housed at the Leichtag Foundation. The initiative, inspired by a team of racially diverse Jewish community leaders and motivated funders, informed by racial equity and justice, and anchored by the voices and experience of Jews of Color is focused on grant making, research and field building, and community education. As a guest on NPR's Code Switch, with pieces featured in eJewish Philanthropy and The Foundation Review, and an Eli Talk titled Who Counts, Race and the Jewish Future with 16,000 views, Ilana is passionate about all things at the intersection of Jewish Community/Racial Justice/Jews of Color/Education/Philanthropy. Prior to joining the Jews of Color Field Building Initiative Ilana was the Public Affairs and Civic Engagement Director, East Bay for the San Francisco, Bay Area Jewish Community Relations Council. Ilana, a Schusterman Fellow who is always searching Jewish Text for discussion of equity and justice received her B.A. in Sociology from California State University-Humboldt, and her M.A. in Educational Pedagogy from Mills College.

  Contact Info:

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  ]]>0e8a70b5-706e-4d1b-870f-5670b7b47864Wed, 14 Apr 2021 13:32:18 -070053:12falsefull176761Episode 75: White Supremacists, the Military & the Capitol Riots subtitle; A Conversation with Greg JenkinsIn this Conversation on Race, I'm joined by Greg Jenkin, a white man who spent over 28 years in the military. We talk about white supremacy in the military, and the riots at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Greg, is a Diversity, Equity and Inclusion leader who continues to coach and mentor veterans who are transitioning out of the service.

  This show is a little different in that Greg and Simma are both white. Stephon Williams who is African- American had to cancel at the last minute. We decided to do this episode anyway because of the topic.

  Greg shares his perspective on the white riots/insurrection of Jan. 6, 2021, where there seemed to be a disproportionate amount of people who had been in the military.

  Key topics:

  • The numbers of people who had been in the military who participated in the white riot.
  • Although there were a few Jewish, Black and Latinx people at the riot, a great majority were there representing white supremacy.
  • Greg's reason for going into the military; not out of patriotism but because of the recession when he joined
  • How Greg found a deep patriotism once he was in the military
  • How some people come into the military who are already indoctrinated in white supremacy and other people let go of many of their biases as a result of being around people who are different
  • The military itself does not support white supremacy and impresses on people the importance of supporting freedom and the constitution for everybody
  • Consequences when someone in the military is discovered to be a white supremacist
  • The military also provides opportunities for people to engage and interact with people who are different
  • Greg talks about why he thinks it's difficult for white supremacists to get into the military
  • How Greg learned about racism and sexism and self-awareness from being in the military. It was a place of self-discovery and growth around diversity for him
  • The responsibility that military leaders have to educate, and create environments where people can learn about each other to serve everyone in the country
  • What makes a good leader in the military
  
  

  About Greg Jenkins

  Greg Jenkins is a dedicated and passionate consultant, practitioner and life-long learner of Diversity & Inclusion, Equal Opportunity and Leadership. He recently completed a successful US Army career that ranged from overseas duties in Germany, South Korea and combat duty in Iraq to include a number of stateside assignments culminating in Washington D.C. His performance in Military Equal Opportunity efforts resulted in developing a model program for other Army Equal Opportunity and human relations efforts. He served as the senior commander's liaison with state and local organizations, along with educational and community leaders resulting in improved civic relationships.

  Greg was hand-selected by the Director of the Army's Diversity Task Force to help establish the Army's Diversity program, policy and products. He was instrumental in the planning and execution the Army's Diversity marketing campaign achieving world-wide coverage for the Army's 1.4M Soldiers, Civilians, and their family members. He's an experienced instructor who has provided training, facilitation and oversight for thousands of personnel ensuring quality and relevant Military Equal Opportunity, Diversity and Leadership training and education for mid, senior and executive level managers and leaders.

  Most recently, he was appointed as; Chair or Board, Diversity Certification Institute, Global Diversity & Inclusion Foundation. He volunteers for the Missouri committee of Employer Support of the Guard and Reserve. He's a published author and graduate of Webster University, where recently attained my Master's degree in Human Resources Development. He enjoys helping people, spending time with my friends, family and staying physically fit while volunteering for organizations within my community.

  ]]>In this Conversation on Race, I'm joined by Greg Jenkin, a white man who spent over 28 years in the military. We talk about white supremacy in the military, and the riots at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Greg, is a Diversity, Equity and Inclusion leader who continues to coach and mentor veterans who are transitioning out of the service.

  This show is a little different in that Greg and Simma are both white. Stephon Williams who is African- American had to cancel at the last minute. We decided to do this episode anyway because of the topic.

  Greg shares his perspective on the white riots/insurrection of Jan. 6, 2021, where there seemed to be a disproportionate amount of people who had been in the military.

  Key topics:

  • The numbers of people who had been in the military who participated in the white riot.
  • Although there were a few Jewish, Black and Latinx people at the riot, a great majority were there representing white supremacy.
  • Greg's reason for going into the military; not out of patriotism but because of the recession when he joined
  • How Greg found a deep patriotism once he was in the military
  • How some people come into the military who are already indoctrinated in white supremacy and other people let go of many of their biases as a result of being around people who are different
  • The military itself does not support white supremacy and impresses on people the importance of supporting freedom and the constitution for everybody
  • Consequences when someone in the military is discovered to be a white supremacist
  • The military also provides opportunities for people to engage and interact with people who are different
  • Greg talks about why he thinks it's difficult for white supremacists to get into the military
  • How Greg learned about racism and sexism and self-awareness from being in the military. It was a place of self-discovery and growth around diversity for him
  • The responsibility that military leaders have to educate, and create environments where people can learn about each other to serve everyone in the country
  • What makes a good leader in the military
  
  

  About Greg Jenkins

  Greg Jenkins is a dedicated and passionate consultant, practitioner and life-long learner of Diversity & Inclusion, Equal Opportunity and Leadership. He recently completed a successful US Army career that ranged from overseas duties in Germany, South Korea and combat duty in Iraq to include a number of stateside assignments culminating in Washington D.C. His performance in Military Equal Opportunity efforts resulted in developing a model program for other Army Equal Opportunity and human relations efforts. He served as the senior commander's liaison with state and local organizations, along with educational and community leaders resulting in improved civic relationships.

  Greg was hand-selected by the Director of the Army's Diversity Task Force to help establish the Army's Diversity program, policy and products. He was instrumental in the planning and execution the Army's Diversity marketing campaign achieving world-wide coverage for the Army's 1.4M Soldiers, Civilians, and their family members. He's an experienced instructor who has provided training, facilitation and oversight for thousands of personnel ensuring quality and relevant Military Equal Opportunity, Diversity and Leadership training and education for mid, senior and executive level managers and leaders.

  Most recently, he was appointed as; Chair or Board, Diversity Certification Institute, Global Diversity & Inclusion Foundation. He volunteers for the Missouri committee of Employer Support of the Guard and Reserve. He's a published author and graduate of Webster University, where recently attained my Master's degree in Human Resources Development. He enjoys helping people, spending time with my friends, family and staying physically fit while volunteering for organizations within my community.

  ]]>065bc840-fd59-4de1-a43e-f5f43036c348Tue, 23 Mar 2021 08:07:06 -070041:03falsefull175751Episode 74: A Real Conversation on Black/Asian Unity with Lee Mun Wah and Dr. Joel Davis BrownIn this conversation on race, Lee Mun Wah, a Chinese-American man, and Dr. Joel Davis Brown, an African-American man, talk about racism against Black and Asian people.

  Key topics:

  • Stereotypes, and their root causes between African-Americans and Asians.
  • Lee Mun Wah recounts issues amongst men from different races and ethnicities when he produced the groundbreaking film on race, "Color of Fear".
  • Mun Wah shares the stereotypes he heard about Black people when he grew up.
  • Joel shares stereotypes he heard about Asians growing up from the people around him.
  • The problems with Asians being considered "model minority" by white people.
  • Joel and Mun Wah talk agree that communities of color are missing the opportunity to talk to each other.
  • How white supremacists create, perpetuate and benefit from conflict and misunderstandings between Asian and Black people.
  • Why it's important for Black and Asian people to not just focus on white people, but spend time becoming better allies against racism.
  • Early movements of third-world unity including Black people, Asians from different ethnicities, Native Americans, and LatinX people, as well as working in a coalition with progressive white people.
  • Racist, stereotypical messages immigrants get about other groups before they come to the US and how those messages cause stress, conflict, and racism.
  • The dangers of Black people being stereotyped as "model activists".
  • What African-Americans and Asians can do to create unity, learn from each other, and show support to end racism.
  
  

  Lee Mun Wah is an internationally renowned Chinese American documentary filmmaker, author, poet, Asian folk teller, educator, community therapist, and master diversity trainer. He is the Executive Director of StirFry Seminars & Consulting, a diversity training company that provides educational tools and workshops on cross-cultural communication and awareness, mindful facilitation, and conflict mediation techniques. His first documentary film, Stolen Ground, about the experience of Asian Americans, won honorable mention at the San Francisco International Film Festival. His most famous film about racism, The Color of Fear, won the Gold Medal for Best Social Studies Documentary and in 1995, Oprah Winfrey did a one-hour special on Lee Mun Wah's life and work that was seen by many. His latest film, If These Halls Could Talk, was just released. The film's focus is on college students and their experience with racism and other diversity issues in higher education. Thousands of people from government and social service agencies, corporations and educational institutions have taken Lee Mun Wah's workshops and partnered with Stirfry Seminars & Consulting on their diversity initiatives.

  Dr. Joel A. Davis Brown is the Chief Visionary Officer of Pneumos LLC, a management consulting and coaching company based in San Francisco, USA, specializing in cultural intelligence, leadership, change management, and strategic storytelling. As a change agent, Joel works strategically with organizational leaders to cultivate innovative, creative, and adaptive environments where the cultural genius of everyone can be harnessed and leveraged successfully. In particular, Joel works with organizational clients to foster psychological safety, healing, belonging, and transformation. His work spans five continents and his mission is to facilitate liberation for every global citizen.

  Best known for his critical analysis, creativity, humor, and an ability to build consensus, Joel has partnered with Fortune 500 Companies, non-profit organizations, and government agencies to help them achieve sustained growth and organizational breakthroughs. His clients have ranged from LinkedIn to the United Nations, and his "sweet spots" have included men's leadership, LGBT inclusion, interpersonal dialogue, and intercultural communication.

  Contact information: Facebook: www.facebook.com/Pneumos Twitter: @joelabrown7 Website: www.pneumos.com LinkedIn: www.linkedn.com/in/joelanthonybrown

  ]]>In this conversation on race, Lee Mun Wah, a Chinese-American man, and Dr. Joel Davis Brown, an African-American man, talk about racism against Black and Asian people.

  Key topics:

  • Stereotypes, and their root causes between African-Americans and Asians.
  • Lee Mun Wah recounts issues amongst men from different races and ethnicities when he produced the groundbreaking film on race, "Color of Fear".
  • Mun Wah shares the stereotypes he heard about Black people when he grew up.
  • Joel shares stereotypes he heard about Asians growing up from the people around him.
  • The problems with Asians being considered "model minority" by white people.
  • Joel and Mun Wah talk agree that communities of color are missing the opportunity to talk to each other.
  • How white supremacists create, perpetuate and benefit from conflict and misunderstandings between Asian and Black people.
  • Why it's important for Black and Asian people to not just focus on white people, but spend time becoming better allies against racism.
  • Early movements of third-world unity including Black people, Asians from different ethnicities, Native Americans, and LatinX people, as well as working in a coalition with progressive white people.
  • Racist, stereotypical messages immigrants get about other groups before they come to the US and how those messages cause stress, conflict, and racism.
  • The dangers of Black people being stereotyped as "model activists".
  • What African-Americans and Asians can do to create unity, learn from each other, and show support to end racism.
  
  

  Lee Mun Wah is an internationally renowned Chinese American documentary filmmaker, author, poet, Asian folk teller, educator, community therapist, and master diversity trainer. He is the Executive Director of StirFry Seminars & Consulting, a diversity training company that provides educational tools and workshops on cross-cultural communication and awareness, mindful facilitation, and conflict mediation techniques. His first documentary film, Stolen Ground, about the experience of Asian Americans, won honorable mention at the San Francisco International Film Festival. His most famous film about racism, The Color of Fear, won the Gold Medal for Best Social Studies Documentary and in 1995, Oprah Winfrey did a one-hour special on Lee Mun Wah's life and work that was seen by many. His latest film, If These Halls Could Talk, was just released. The film's focus is on college students and their experience with racism and other diversity issues in higher education. Thousands of people from government and social service agencies, corporations and educational institutions have taken Lee Mun Wah's workshops and partnered with Stirfry Seminars & Consulting on their diversity initiatives.

  Dr. Joel A. Davis Brown is the Chief Visionary Officer of Pneumos LLC, a management consulting and coaching company based in San Francisco, USA, specializing in cultural intelligence, leadership, change management, and strategic storytelling. As a change agent, Joel works strategically with organizational leaders to cultivate innovative, creative, and adaptive environments where the cultural genius of everyone can be harnessed and leveraged successfully. In particular, Joel works with organizational clients to foster psychological safety, healing, belonging, and transformation. His work spans five continents and his mission is to facilitate liberation for every global citizen.

  Best known for his critical analysis, creativity, humor, and an ability to build consensus, Joel has partnered with Fortune 500 Companies, non-profit organizations, and government agencies to help them achieve sustained growth and organizational breakthroughs. His clients have ranged from LinkedIn to the United Nations, and his "sweet spots" have included men's leadership, LGBT inclusion, interpersonal dialogue, and intercultural communication.

  Contact information: Facebook: www.facebook.com/Pneumos Twitter: @joelabrown7 Website: www.pneumos.com LinkedIn: www.linkedn.com/in/joelanthonybrown

  ]]>645067bf-679c-4177-9ac2-ec3db9cbfd1cFri, 05 Mar 2021 15:54:00 -070058:02falsefull174741Episode 73: From Drug Addiction to Revolutionary Fitness, a Black Women's JourneyIn this Conversation on Race, I'm joined by Pam Grimm, who talks about her experiences as a a Black woman in the fitness world. She's 62 years old, has been teaching fitness since she was in her 50's and says it's never too late to get in shape. In this episode, she shares why getting shape is so important for everyone, and especially women of color.

  Pam has been in recovery from drug addiction since 1993. In 2013, she decided to focus on fitness. And I'm telling you, this woman is fit. She is the author of two books, "#empowered: 90 Days of Enlightenment" which offers encouragement and spiritual inspiration, and #empowered: A Gratitude and Affirmations Journal

  She is a certified personal trainer with the International Sports Sciences Association, a certified Group X Instructor, and a certified lifestyle wellness coach.

  Key topics:

  • Her story of recovering from drug addiction
  • Her journey from drug addiction to fitness instructor
  • Women and fitness
  • How to get fit in the virtual world
  • Her motto "Don't let your head tell you what you can't do"
  • How to get your body to move
  • Her thoughts on being a Black woman in her 60's teaching fitness
  • Black women and body image
  • Why getting in shape is revolutionary for women, especially women of color
  • Health care disparities and medical myths about Black people
  • How self-care is a weapon against racist medical policies
  • How to get started now even during Covid
  
  

  About Pam Grimm

  Pam Grimm is a corporate fitness instructor and currently teaches classes for corporations and individuals. She is also a personal trainer and a health & wellness coach. Her training focuses on strength, flexibility and balance in order for her clients to become the best version of themselves.

  Contacts

  www.pamgfitness.com

  https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamela-grimm-39670a38

  https://www.instagram.com/pamg_fitness

  ]]>In this Conversation on Race, I'm joined by Pam Grimm, who talks about her experiences as a a Black woman in the fitness world. She's 62 years old, has been teaching fitness since she was in her 50's and says it's never too late to get in shape. In this episode, she shares why getting shape is so important for everyone, and especially women of color.

  Pam has been in recovery from drug addiction since 1993. In 2013, she decided to focus on fitness. And I'm telling you, this woman is fit. She is the author of two books, "#empowered: 90 Days of Enlightenment" which offers encouragement and spiritual inspiration, and #empowered: A Gratitude and Affirmations Journal

  She is a certified personal trainer with the International Sports Sciences Association, a certified Group X Instructor, and a certified lifestyle wellness coach.

  Key topics:

  • Her story of recovering from drug addiction
  • Her journey from drug addiction to fitness instructor
  • Women and fitness
  • How to get fit in the virtual world
  • Her motto "Don't let your head tell you what you can't do"
  • How to get your body to move
  • Her thoughts on being a Black woman in her 60's teaching fitness
  • Black women and body image
  • Why getting in shape is revolutionary for women, especially women of color
  • Health care disparities and medical myths about Black people
  • How self-care is a weapon against racist medical policies
  • How to get started now even during Covid
  
  

  About Pam Grimm

  Pam Grimm is a corporate fitness instructor and currently teaches classes for corporations and individuals. She is also a personal trainer and a health & wellness coach. Her training focuses on strength, flexibility and balance in order for her clients to become the best version of themselves.

  Contacts

  www.pamgfitness.com

  https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamela-grimm-39670a38

  https://www.instagram.com/pamg_fitness

  ]]>61bbea3c-e4e3-46f0-97a0-e238ea2ed1c2Wed, 17 Feb 2021 09:29:14 -070048:39falsefull173731Episode 72: Growing Up Bicultural; Deanna SinghIn this conversation on race Deanna Singh talks with me about growing up Asian-Indian, and African-American in Wisconsin.

  Key topics include:

  • Deanna's experience with parents from two different cultures
  • What it was like to be one of only two kids of color in an all-white school
  • The beauty and joy of talking about race
  • First experience with overt racism at the age of five from another five-year-old
  • Impact of last four years with Trump et al. on young people of color and her vision for the future
  • Founding a publishing company for books with children of color
  • Her life experience- the lynching of her Black great grandfather
  • Aftermath of 9/11 on her family and her Sikh father who wears a turban,
  • The attack on the Sikh Temple and effect on her friends and family
  • Why she believes in the triumph of love to fight racism and inequity
  
  

  About Deanna Singh

  Deanna Singh is a highly respected thought leader who travels the world motivating and educating audiences about living with joy and purpose. A gifted communicator, she is a champion to marginalized communities and an inspiration to all those who want to be agents of change in their work, lives, and society.

  Singh earned her Bachelor of Arts in Urban Studies from Fordham University, a Juris Doctorate from Georgetown University, a Master's in Business Administration from the University of Wisconsin, Madison, and certification in Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion from Cornell University. She has impacted the world as a speaker, a teacher, a principal, a leader of large foundations, a social entrepreneur, a businesswoman, an author, a publisher, and a mother.

  Contact Info:

  Website: www.deannasingh.com/about-deanna-singh

  Facebook: www.facebook.com/deanna.singh.10

  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/Deannasingh1

  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deannasingh

  ]]>In this conversation on race Deanna Singh talks with me about growing up Asian-Indian, and African-American in Wisconsin.

  Key topics include:

  • Deanna's experience with parents from two different cultures
  • What it was like to be one of only two kids of color in an all-white school
  • The beauty and joy of talking about race
  • First experience with overt racism at the age of five from another five-year-old
  • Impact of last four years with Trump et al. on young people of color and her vision for the future
  • Founding a publishing company for books with children of color
  • Her life experience- the lynching of her Black great grandfather
  • Aftermath of 9/11 on her family and her Sikh father who wears a turban,
  • The attack on the Sikh Temple and effect on her friends and family
  • Why she believes in the triumph of love to fight racism and inequity
  
  

  About Deanna Singh

  Deanna Singh is a highly respected thought leader who travels the world motivating and educating audiences about living with joy and purpose. A gifted communicator, she is a champion to marginalized communities and an inspiration to all those who want to be agents of change in their work, lives, and society.

  Singh earned her Bachelor of Arts in Urban Studies from Fordham University, a Juris Doctorate from Georgetown University, a Master's in Business Administration from the University of Wisconsin, Madison, and certification in Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion from Cornell University. She has impacted the world as a speaker, a teacher, a principal, a leader of large foundations, a social entrepreneur, a businesswoman, an author, a publisher, and a mother.

  Contact Info:

  Website: www.deannasingh.com/about-deanna-singh

  Facebook: www.facebook.com/deanna.singh.10

  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/Deannasingh1

  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deannasingh

  ]]>f0b147b5-a24d-4fa8-b8bf-caaac840332cTue, 02 Feb 2021 13:02:55 -070044:00falsefull172721Episode 71: LeRon Barton on white riots at the Capitol buildingLeRon Barton, author, speaker and social media influencer joins me in this conversation on race to talk about his perspective as a Black man in the US on the Capitol riots.

  Topics include:

  • White riot insanity at the Capitol
  • How white people's insurrection demonstrated the history and present state of racism in the US- it's still here
  • If the rioters had been Black most would be dead, but because they were almost all white they were allowed to take over the building, threaten lawmakers and physically attack cops and other people who tried to stop them
  • The attack on the Capitol is treason, sedition and fascist
  • Why participants need to be prosecuted to the extent of the law and not allowed to continue
  • How some people in congress, law enforcement and other government employees aided and abetted the rioters
  • Why some Black, Brown, Asian and Jewish people support the racist actions of Trump and the white racist insurrection
  • How individualism and the mindset of not caring about anyone else but oneself permeates the US culture and perpetuates the spread of COVID
  • The different experiences, opportunities and outlooks between ADOS (African Descendants of Slaves,) and Black people from Africa
  
  

  About LeRon Barton

  LeRon L. Barton is a writer from Kansas City, MO currently living in San Francisco, Ca. A graduate of Paseo Academy of Fine Arts, LeRon is the author of two books, "Straight Dope: A 360 degree look into American Drug Culture" and "All We Really Need Is Love: Stories of Dating, Relationships, Heartbreak, and Marriage." In addition to the books, LeRon is an essayist; whose topics cover racism, mass incarceration, politics, gender, and dating. These works have appeared in Salon, The Good Men Project, Elephant Journal, East Bay Times, and MoAD. LeRon has also given talks and speeches at TedX Wilson Park, University of San Francisco, Glide Methodist Church, been a guest of Al Jazeera's The Stream, Story Corp, Dr. Vibe's Do You Know What Time It Is podcast, and has participated in panel discussions on race and prison recidivism. In his spare time, LeRon mentors young men in San Francisco and loves to backpack around the world.

  www.leronbarton.com

  Facebook.com/LeRonLBarton Twitter.com/MainlineLeRon Instagram.com/leronlbarton

  ]]>LeRon Barton, author, speaker and social media influencer joins me in this conversation on race to talk about his perspective as a Black man in the US on the Capitol riots.

  Topics include:

  • White riot insanity at the Capitol
  • How white people's insurrection demonstrated the history and present state of racism in the US- it's still here
  • If the rioters had been Black most would be dead, but because they were almost all white they were allowed to take over the building, threaten lawmakers and physically attack cops and other people who tried to stop them
  • The attack on the Capitol is treason, sedition and fascist
  • Why participants need to be prosecuted to the extent of the law and not allowed to continue
  • How some people in congress, law enforcement and other government employees aided and abetted the rioters
  • Why some Black, Brown, Asian and Jewish people support the racist actions of Trump and the white racist insurrection
  • How individualism and the mindset of not caring about anyone else but oneself permeates the US culture and perpetuates the spread of COVID
  • The different experiences, opportunities and outlooks between ADOS (African Descendants of Slaves,) and Black people from Africa
  
  

  About LeRon Barton

  LeRon L. Barton is a writer from Kansas City, MO currently living in San Francisco, Ca. A graduate of Paseo Academy of Fine Arts, LeRon is the author of two books, "Straight Dope: A 360 degree look into American Drug Culture" and "All We Really Need Is Love: Stories of Dating, Relationships, Heartbreak, and Marriage." In addition to the books, LeRon is an essayist; whose topics cover racism, mass incarceration, politics, gender, and dating. These works have appeared in Salon, The Good Men Project, Elephant Journal, East Bay Times, and MoAD. LeRon has also given talks and speeches at TedX Wilson Park, University of San Francisco, Glide Methodist Church, been a guest of Al Jazeera's The Stream, Story Corp, Dr. Vibe's Do You Know What Time It Is podcast, and has participated in panel discussions on race and prison recidivism. In his spare time, LeRon mentors young men in San Francisco and loves to backpack around the world.

  www.leronbarton.com

  Facebook.com/LeRonLBarton Twitter.com/MainlineLeRon Instagram.com/leronlbarton

  ]]>39f6b83b-0f66-427d-a3e7-fddb3f92ac83Fri, 15 Jan 2021 07:08:42 -070055:32falsefull171711Episode 70: Race, Racism and Hope in 2021In this conversation on race, I'm joined by Joel A. Davis Brown to talk about why he has hope for the future as a Black man, why he's ready for the Covid vaccine, advice for Joe Biden and more.

  Key topics in this episode:

  • Why it's important for Black and other BIPOC people to have hopes for the future
  • How Biden can make a difference if the Democrats get control of the senate and the consequences to democracy if they do not
  • The real reasons that Black people have concerns about the vaccine for COVID 19 and what needs to be done to allay those fears.
  • Why Dr. Joel A. Davis Brown is glad for the vaccine.
  • How to respond to people who claim Joe Biden is a white supremacist
  • Why deciding not to vote is often a sign of privilege
  • What to say when someone says Kamala Harris doesn't like Black people.
  • The truth about the Black, LatinX and Jewish people who support Trump.
  • Advice, music playlist and reading recommendations.
  
  ]]>In this conversation on race, I'm joined by Joel A. Davis Brown to talk about why he has hope for the future as a Black man, why he's ready for the Covid vaccine, advice for Joe Biden and more.

  Key topics in this episode:

  • Why it's important for Black and other BIPOC people to have hopes for the future
  • How Biden can make a difference if the Democrats get control of the senate and the consequences to democracy if they do not
  • The real reasons that Black people have concerns about the vaccine for COVID 19 and what needs to be done to allay those fears.
  • Why Dr. Joel A. Davis Brown is glad for the vaccine.
  • How to respond to people who claim Joe Biden is a white supremacist
  • Why deciding not to vote is often a sign of privilege
  • What to say when someone says Kamala Harris doesn't like Black people.
  • The truth about the Black, LatinX and Jewish people who support Trump.
  • Advice, music playlist and reading recommendations.
  
  ]]>0a0b851d-5564-4db4-a573-e4ebf526c855Sun, 27 Dec 2020 08:06:24 -070058:46falsefull170701Episode 69: Conversation on race with Lee Mun Wah and Howard RossIn this conversation on race I'm joined by Diversity pioneers and original thought leaders Lee Mun Wah and Howard Ross to talk about the current state of diversity, racism and white supremacy in the US today

  Howard is known for his cutting edge work on implicit bias and Mun Wah made the ground breaking film on race, Color of Fear.

  Key Topics:

  • Origins and current state of the Trump executive order banning diversity and inclusion training in the government and companies that do business with the government.
  • Threats against Howard Ross and his family for his work in diversity, equity and inclusion.
  • The content of the letter suspending Mun Wah's training with the government calling diversity and inclusion unpatriotic, propaganda and unamerican.
  • Why diversity, equity, inclusion and conversations on race are more important now than ever in the current culture of the US and across the globe.
  • How Black people and others protesting in the name of social justice are being shot, threatened and attacked.
  • Overcoming resistance and fear of diversity, conversations on race and social justice.
  • Whose lives matter? Do white lives matter more than Black lives? Do heterosexual lives matter more than LGBTQ lives
  • The fact that the media doesn't mention the large numbers of Native American women who have disappeared, the lack of funds to help Native American communities and the high Covid death rate in that community.
  • How issues of racism against LatinX, Asian and other people of color are often neglected, trivialized and ignored.
  • Intercultural
  • Health care disparities that result in higher death rates for Black women during childbirth than white women.
  • Howard and Mun Wah share experiences engaging in dialogues with white supremacists.
  
  

  Guests Bio:

  Lee Mun Wah, M.A. Special Education, M.S. CounselingExecutive Director of StirFry Seminars & Consulting

  Lee Mun Wah is an internationally renowned Chinese American documentary filmmaker, author, poet, Asian folk teller, educator, community therapist, and master diversity trainer. He is the Executive Director of StirFry Seminars & Consulting, a diversity training company that provides educational tools and workshops on cross-cultural communication and awareness, mindful facilitation, and conflict mediation techniques. His first documentary film, Stolen Ground, about the experience of Asian Americans, won honorable mention at the San Francisco International Film Festival. His most famous film about racism, The Color of Fear, won the Gold Medal for Best Social Studies Documentary and in 1995, Oprah Winfrey did a one-hour special on Lee Mun Wah's life and work that was seen by many. His latest film, If These Halls Could Talk, was just released. The film's focus is on college students and their experience with racism and other diversity issues in higher education. Thousands of people from government and social service agencies, corporations and educational institutions have taken Lee Mun Wah's workshops and partnered with Stirfry Seminars & Consulting on their diversity initiatives.

  Howard Ross is a lifelong social justice advocate and is considered one of the world's seminal thought leaders on identifying and addressing unconscious bias. He is the author of ReInventing Diversity: Transforming Organizational Community to Strengthen People, Purpose and Performance, (published by Rowman and Littlefield in conjunction with SHRM in 2011), and the Washington Post best seller, Everyday Bias: Identifying and Navigating Unconscious Judgments in Our Daily Lives, (published by Rowman and Littlefield in 2014, Second Edition released in 2020). His latest book, Our Search for Belonging: How Our Need to Connect is Tearing Us Apart, released by Berrett-Koehler in May of 2018, won the 2019 Nautilus Book Award Gold Medal for Social Change and Social Justice.

  Howard has specialized in the synthesis of neuro-cognitive and social science research and direct application re: Diversity, Inclusion, Equity and Accessibility work. His client work has focused on the areas of corporate culture change, leadership development, and managing diversity, inclusion and belonging. Ross has successfully implemented large-scale organizational culture change efforts in the area of managing diversity and cultural integration in academic institutions, professional services corporations, Fortune 500 companies, and retail, health care, media, and governmental institutions in 47 of the United States and over 40 countries worldwide. In addition, Howard has delivered programs at Harvard University Medical School, Stanford University Medical School, Johns Hopkins University, the Wharton School of Business, Duke University and Washington University Medical School and over 20 other colleges and Universities, as well as for the Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC). Howard served as the 2007-2008 Johnnetta B. Cole Professor of Diversity Professor of Diversity at Bennett College for Women, the first time a white man had ever served in such a position at an HBCU.

  Howard's writings have been published by the Harvard Business Review, the Washington Post, the New York Times, Fast Company Magazine, Diversity Women Magazine, Forbes Magazine, Fortune Magazine and dozens of other publications. He appears regularly on National Public Radio. Howard has served on numerous not-for-profits boards, including the Diversity Advisory Board of the Human Rights Campaign, the board of directors of the Dignity and Respect Campaign, the board of the directors for the National Women's Mentoring Network, and the Board of Directors of the National Center on Race Amity. Howard has been the recipient of many awards, including the 2009 Operation Understanding Award for Community Service; the 2012 Winds of Change Award from the Forum on Workplace Diversity and Inclusion; the 2013 Diversity Peer Award from Diversity Women Magazine; the 2014 Catalyst Award from Uptown Professional Magazine; the 2014 Catalyst for Change Award from Wake Forest University; the 2015 Medal of Honor by the National Center for Race Amity; the 2015 Trendsetter in HR by SHRM Magazine; and the 2016 Leadership in Diversity Award by the World Human Resources Development Conference in Mumbai, India. He was also named an Honorary Medicine Man by the Eastern Cherokee Reservation in N.C. and given Medicine Holder designation by the Pawnee Nation. Howard has also been honored to serve as a "Contributing Expert" in both 2015 and 2020 to the Global Diversity and Inclusion Benchmarks by the Centre for Global Inclusion.

  Howard is also a former Rock 'n Roll Musician and has taught meditation and mindfulness for more than 20 years, including his role as co-founder and Lead Facilitator for the Inner Journey Seminars.

  In 1989, Howard founded Cook Ross Inc., one of the nation's leading Diversity and Inclusion consultancies. He sold the company in July 2018 and founded Udarta Consulting, LLC.

  Howard keynotes and speaks regularly at Conferences for SHRM, SHRM Diversity, the Forum for Workplace Inclusion, National Association of Corporate Directors , ATD, the World Diversity Forum, and dozens of others.

  He can be reached at howard@udarta.com.

  ]]>In this conversation on race I'm joined by Diversity pioneers and original thought leaders Lee Mun Wah and Howard Ross to talk about the current state of diversity, racism and white supremacy in the US today

  Howard is known for his cutting edge work on implicit bias and Mun Wah made the ground breaking film on race, Color of Fear.

  Key Topics:

  • Origins and current state of the Trump executive order banning diversity and inclusion training in the government and companies that do business with the government.
  • Threats against Howard Ross and his family for his work in diversity, equity and inclusion.
  • The content of the letter suspending Mun Wah's training with the government calling diversity and inclusion unpatriotic, propaganda and unamerican.
  • Why diversity, equity, inclusion and conversations on race are more important now than ever in the current culture of the US and across the globe.
  • How Black people and others protesting in the name of social justice are being shot, threatened and attacked.
  • Overcoming resistance and fear of diversity, conversations on race and social justice.
  • Whose lives matter? Do white lives matter more than Black lives? Do heterosexual lives matter more than LGBTQ lives
  • The fact that the media doesn't mention the large numbers of Native American women who have disappeared, the lack of funds to help Native American communities and the high Covid death rate in that community.
  • How issues of racism against LatinX, Asian and other people of color are often neglected, trivialized and ignored.
  • Intercultural
  • Health care disparities that result in higher death rates for Black women during childbirth than white women.
  • Howard and Mun Wah share experiences engaging in dialogues with white supremacists.
  
  

  Guests Bio:

  Lee Mun Wah, M.A. Special Education, M.S. CounselingExecutive Director of StirFry Seminars & Consulting

  Lee Mun Wah is an internationally renowned Chinese American documentary filmmaker, author, poet, Asian folk teller, educator, community therapist, and master diversity trainer. He is the Executive Director of StirFry Seminars & Consulting, a diversity training company that provides educational tools and workshops on cross-cultural communication and awareness, mindful facilitation, and conflict mediation techniques. His first documentary film, Stolen Ground, about the experience of Asian Americans, won honorable mention at the San Francisco International Film Festival. His most famous film about racism, The Color of Fear, won the Gold Medal for Best Social Studies Documentary and in 1995, Oprah Winfrey did a one-hour special on Lee Mun Wah's life and work that was seen by many. His latest film, If These Halls Could Talk, was just released. The film's focus is on college students and their experience with racism and other diversity issues in higher education. Thousands of people from government and social service agencies, corporations and educational institutions have taken Lee Mun Wah's workshops and partnered with Stirfry Seminars & Consulting on their diversity initiatives.

  Howard Ross is a lifelong social justice advocate and is considered one of the world's seminal thought leaders on identifying and addressing unconscious bias. He is the author of ReInventing Diversity: Transforming Organizational Community to Strengthen People, Purpose and Performance, (published by Rowman and Littlefield in conjunction with SHRM in 2011), and the Washington Post best seller, Everyday Bias: Identifying and Navigating Unconscious Judgments in Our Daily Lives, (published by Rowman and Littlefield in 2014, Second Edition released in 2020). His latest book, Our Search for Belonging: How Our Need to Connect is Tearing Us Apart, released by Berrett-Koehler in May of 2018, won the 2019 Nautilus Book Award Gold Medal for Social Change and Social Justice.

  Howard has specialized in the synthesis of neuro-cognitive and social science research and direct application re: Diversity, Inclusion, Equity and Accessibility work. His client work has focused on the areas of corporate culture change, leadership development, and managing diversity, inclusion and belonging. Ross has successfully implemented large-scale organizational culture change efforts in the area of managing diversity and cultural integration in academic institutions, professional services corporations, Fortune 500 companies, and retail, health care, media, and governmental institutions in 47 of the United States and over 40 countries worldwide. In addition, Howard has delivered programs at Harvard University Medical School, Stanford University Medical School, Johns Hopkins University, the Wharton School of Business, Duke University and Washington University Medical School and over 20 other colleges and Universities, as well as for the Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC). Howard served as the 2007-2008 Johnnetta B. Cole Professor of Diversity Professor of Diversity at Bennett College for Women, the first time a white man had ever served in such a position at an HBCU.

  Howard's writings have been published by the Harvard Business Review, the Washington Post, the New York Times, Fast Company Magazine, Diversity Women Magazine, Forbes Magazine, Fortune Magazine and dozens of other publications. He appears regularly on National Public Radio. Howard has served on numerous not-for-profits boards, including the Diversity Advisory Board of the Human Rights Campaign, the board of directors of the Dignity and Respect Campaign, the board of the directors for the National Women's Mentoring Network, and the Board of Directors of the National Center on Race Amity. Howard has been the recipient of many awards, including the 2009 Operation Understanding Award for Community Service; the 2012 Winds of Change Award from the Forum on Workplace Diversity and Inclusion; the 2013 Diversity Peer Award from Diversity Women Magazine; the 2014 Catalyst Award from Uptown Professional Magazine; the 2014 Catalyst for Change Award from Wake Forest University; the 2015 Medal of Honor by the National Center for Race Amity; the 2015 Trendsetter in HR by SHRM Magazine; and the 2016 Leadership in Diversity Award by the World Human Resources Development Conference in Mumbai, India. He was also named an Honorary Medicine Man by the Eastern Cherokee Reservation in N.C. and given Medicine Holder designation by the Pawnee Nation. Howard has also been honored to serve as a "Contributing Expert" in both 2015 and 2020 to the Global Diversity and Inclusion Benchmarks by the Centre for Global Inclusion.

  Howard is also a former Rock 'n Roll Musician and has taught meditation and mindfulness for more than 20 years, including his role as co-founder and Lead Facilitator for the Inner Journey Seminars.

  In 1989, Howard founded Cook Ross Inc., one of the nation's leading Diversity and Inclusion consultancies. He sold the company in July 2018 and founded Udarta Consulting, LLC.

  Howard keynotes and speaks regularly at Conferences for SHRM, SHRM Diversity, the Forum for Workplace Inclusion, National Association of Corporate Directors , ATD, the World Diversity Forum, and dozens of others.

  He can be reached at howard@udarta.com.

  ]]>15ae887c-54d8-46c2-9454-07340cec36afThu, 10 Dec 2020 04:01:42 -070001:05:21falsefull169691Episode 68: Black Skin/White FearAmy Nickerson joins me for this Conversation on Race to talk about how racism traumatizes Black families.

  Amy is an educational consultant who focuses on race and race relations. She is the author of the book, "HOW DO YOU SEE US?: Our Lived Realities of Being Viewed As a Threat.

  This book details and analyzes what she and her family have seen and experienced as it relates to issues of law enforcement. This is not Black vs. Blue. This isn't about sides – the black side or the blue side. This is not an attack on the overall institution of law enforcement. Nor is this a scathing rebuke of every white law enforcement officer. As Amy states in her book, "This is about my perspective, my innermost feelings about how I am viewed as a Black person in America, why I feel vulnerable around police officers, and how it got this way." Amy Nickerson recounts numerous encounters with police officers as well as ordinary white citizens insistent on policing black people.

  Amy shares her experience with race and racism as a Black woman, mother of three children including Hardy Nickerson Jr. a linebacker in the NFL and as the wife of former NFL player and now a coach, Hardy Nickerson.

  Key topics:

  • No matter who you are, or how much money you have, if you are Black in the US your position and money will not protect you from racism, discrimination and being targeted by law enforcement and white racists.
  • Her first experience with racism in elementary school.
  • White policing of Black people by white people.
  • All too frequent experiences of the Nickerson family being accused of stealing the cars they drive, or not belonging in their own neighborhood.
  • Why white people often resent Black people being successful, or living their own lives, and how they try to sabotage Black success.
  • Justified fear that Black women have every time their children leave the house.
  • Challenges of being Black on vacation, having to tell her son, he couldn't wear the clothes he liked because it could be dangerous.
  • How many white people view Black skin as a threat and justify racist actions.
  • Solutions to white policing of Black people everyday.
  
  
  ]]>Amy Nickerson joins me for this Conversation on Race to talk about how racism traumatizes Black families.

  Amy is an educational consultant who focuses on race and race relations. She is the author of the book, "HOW DO YOU SEE US?: Our Lived Realities of Being Viewed As a Threat.

  This book details and analyzes what she and her family have seen and experienced as it relates to issues of law enforcement. This is not Black vs. Blue. This isn't about sides – the black side or the blue side. This is not an attack on the overall institution of law enforcement. Nor is this a scathing rebuke of every white law enforcement officer. As Amy states in her book, "This is about my perspective, my innermost feelings about how I am viewed as a Black person in America, why I feel vulnerable around police officers, and how it got this way." Amy Nickerson recounts numerous encounters with police officers as well as ordinary white citizens insistent on policing black people.

  Amy shares her experience with race and racism as a Black woman, mother of three children including Hardy Nickerson Jr. a linebacker in the NFL and as the wife of former NFL player and now a coach, Hardy Nickerson.

  Key topics:

  • No matter who you are, or how much money you have, if you are Black in the US your position and money will not protect you from racism, discrimination and being targeted by law enforcement and white racists.
  • Her first experience with racism in elementary school.
  • White policing of Black people by white people.
  • All too frequent experiences of the Nickerson family being accused of stealing the cars they drive, or not belonging in their own neighborhood.
  • Why white people often resent Black people being successful, or living their own lives, and how they try to sabotage Black success.
  • Justified fear that Black women have every time their children leave the house.
  • Challenges of being Black on vacation, having to tell her son, he couldn't wear the clothes he liked because it could be dangerous.
  • How many white people view Black skin as a threat and justify racist actions.
  • Solutions to white policing of Black people everyday.
  
  
  ]]>7c2b835e-7944-4d4b-bae4-530807ca29eeWed, 18 Nov 2020 08:02:56 -070001:01:02falsefull167671Episode 67: How Racism is a Health HazardIn this conversation on race, I'm joined by Dr. Elwood Watson, a Professor of History and African American Studies at East Tennessee State University. His areas of specialty are in 20th Century Post World War II U.S. History, African American History, African American Studies, Gender Studies, Popular Culture, and ethnographic studies.

  Elwood is an author. His most recent book is "Keeping it Real," essays on race and racism, white supremacy, and contemporary issue in the Black community.

  ]]>In this conversation on race, I'm joined by Dr. Elwood Watson, a Professor of History and African American Studies at East Tennessee State University. His areas of specialty are in 20th Century Post World War II U.S. History, African American History, African American Studies, Gender Studies, Popular Culture, and ethnographic studies.

  Elwood is an author. His most recent book is "Keeping it Real," essays on race and racism, white supremacy, and contemporary issue in the Black community.

  ]]>2e183f5b-a8a2-4317-b672-dcbf943aee80Fri, 06 Nov 2020 07:39:26 -070001:10:14falsefull167671Episode 66: White Privilege Conference/Black LeadershipDr. Eddie Moore and Dr. Joe-Joe McManus join me on "Everyday Conversations on Race" to talk about white privilege, Black and other people of color working with white people, and racial justice.

  Dr. Moore founded the White Privilege Conference in 1999. Dr. McManus is a well-known award-winning educator and leader in the anti-racist, social justice movement in higher education for over twenty years.

  ]]>Dr. Eddie Moore and Dr. Joe-Joe McManus join me on "Everyday Conversations on Race" to talk about white privilege, Black and other people of color working with white people, and racial justice.

  Dr. Moore founded the White Privilege Conference in 1999. Dr. McManus is a well-known award-winning educator and leader in the anti-racist, social justice movement in higher education for over twenty years.

  ]]>15b47f61-9975-48f5-8b15-b9932ae14220Thu, 29 Oct 2020 06:52:21 -070001:07:31falsefull166661Episode 65 : The War In Portland OregonIn this conversation on race, I'm joined by Kathleen Saadat veteran civil rights activist in Portland, Oregon.

  Kathleen shares her observations on the demonstrations in Portland, the federal troop presence, tear gassing of demonstrators and controversies surrounding the Moms and the Dad with Leaf blowers.

  Key Topics:

  • The fact that there have been large numbers of Black people in Portland, Black clubs, and soul food restaurants in North and Northeast neighborhoods

  • Sundown laws in Oregon but there were still Black people living there

  • Protests in Portland, tear gas and attacks against protests

  • Moms marching and dads coming with leaf blowers to stop the tear gas

  • People who were committing violence were in the minority and mainly provocateurs

  • Most protestors were peaceful

  • The violence against Black people and minimization of the value of Black values

  • The problem that agent provocateurs are seen as representing protestors

  • How young people have been great at bringing people together for Black Lives Matter and social justice from different backgrounds and world views

  • Importance of having a vision

  • Why she hates cancel culture because people have been raised a certain way and we need to educate them

  • Black people are a small number of people in the US and need to build coalitions • Kathleen Saadat's vision for long-term change

  • How to address the need for people to understand history and how government is supposed to work

  • The need for a truth and reconciliation program in every state

  • How we can bring people into the equality community

  • Why self-righteousness is another form of violence

  • Why we need conversations instead of just canceling people

  • The danger of cancel culture

  • Why we have to allow people to change

  • Why the Ten Point Program of the Black Panther Party is still relevant

  Bio for Kathleen Saadat

  Kathleen Saadat has served Oregon's LGBTQ community as a mentor and confidant for nearly 40 years. In 1976, she and six others organized Portland's first gay rights march. Later, she worked with a team of city employees to craft the Portland's civil rights ordinance, which prohibited discrimination against gay and lesbian people and discrimination based on legal source of income. In 1992, she served on the steering committee for the campaign against Ballot Measure 9, which, had it passed, would have rendered GLBTQ people second class citizens.

  An activist and advocate for African American rights and the rights of other people of color, for women's rights, and for economic justice for all, Kathleen was a planner and participant in Portland's International Women's Day Celebration..

  Kathleen Saadat has received lifetime achievement awards from in recognition of her contributions to the efforts to "Keep Living the Dream" of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. She has been listed as one of "100 Who Lead in Oregon" by Oregon Business magazine.

  She is a former member of the Oregon State University's board of visitors for minority affairs.

  Contact info for Kathleen Saadat

  BanLon@msn.com

  ]]>In this conversation on race, I'm joined by Kathleen Saadat veteran civil rights activist in Portland, Oregon.

  Kathleen shares her observations on the demonstrations in Portland, the federal troop presence, tear gassing of demonstrators and controversies surrounding the Moms and the Dad with Leaf blowers.

  Key Topics:

  • The fact that there have been large numbers of Black people in Portland, Black clubs, and soul food restaurants in North and Northeast neighborhoods

  • Sundown laws in Oregon but there were still Black people living there

  • Protests in Portland, tear gas and attacks against protests

  • Moms marching and dads coming with leaf blowers to stop the tear gas

  • People who were committing violence were in the minority and mainly provocateurs

  • Most protestors were peaceful

  • The violence against Black people and minimization of the value of Black values

  • The problem that agent provocateurs are seen as representing protestors

  • How young people have been great at bringing people together for Black Lives Matter and social justice from different backgrounds and world views

  • Importance of having a vision

  • Why she hates cancel culture because people have been raised a certain way and we need to educate them

  • Black people are a small number of people in the US and need to build coalitions • Kathleen Saadat's vision for long-term change

  • How to address the need for people to understand history and how government is supposed to work

  • The need for a truth and reconciliation program in every state

  • How we can bring people into the equality community

  • Why self-righteousness is another form of violence

  • Why we need conversations instead of just canceling people

  • The danger of cancel culture

  • Why we have to allow people to change

  • Why the Ten Point Program of the Black Panther Party is still relevant

  Bio for Kathleen Saadat

  Kathleen Saadat has served Oregon's LGBTQ community as a mentor and confidant for nearly 40 years. In 1976, she and six others organized Portland's first gay rights march. Later, she worked with a team of city employees to craft the Portland's civil rights ordinance, which prohibited discrimination against gay and lesbian people and discrimination based on legal source of income. In 1992, she served on the steering committee for the campaign against Ballot Measure 9, which, had it passed, would have rendered GLBTQ people second class citizens.

  An activist and advocate for African American rights and the rights of other people of color, for women's rights, and for economic justice for all, Kathleen was a planner and participant in Portland's International Women's Day Celebration..

  Kathleen Saadat has received lifetime achievement awards from in recognition of her contributions to the efforts to "Keep Living the Dream" of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. She has been listed as one of "100 Who Lead in Oregon" by Oregon Business magazine.

  She is a former member of the Oregon State University's board of visitors for minority affairs.

  Contact info for Kathleen Saadat

  BanLon@msn.com

  ]]>39dc2661-6ece-48c4-8174-f3a55f44f1d6Mon, 19 Oct 2020 19:00:00 -070001:06:31falsefull165651AJ Cartas on Race and Social MediaIn this episode I'm joined by AJ Cartas, a social influencer and founder of "Our Damn Time."

  Our Damn Time is a political organization whose mission is to promote the well-being of people of color, women, and members of the LGBTQ+ community by providing resources to empower, educate, and mobilize to enact deep, structural change.

  ]]>In this episode I'm joined by AJ Cartas, a social influencer and founder of "Our Damn Time."

  Our Damn Time is a political organization whose mission is to promote the well-being of people of color, women, and members of the LGBTQ+ community by providing resources to empower, educate, and mobilize to enact deep, structural change.

  ]]>4c95444e-5ad8-44b6-8eb4-97ee83eb3476Mon, 05 Oct 2020 14:34:58 -070056:09falsefull164641Janet Hamada/Japanese/Jewish TraumaJanet Hamada

  Japanese and Jewish

  Executive Director- The Next Door Inc.

  Mid-Columbia Region

  Father and family in internment camp although 4th generation Japanese-American

  Mother's family is Jewish

  Didn't realize about issues of being bi-racial

  When she went to UK- everyone stared at her

  People would assume it was safe to say anti-semitic things because they didn't realize she was also Jewish

  Being from internment and hearing stories

  Also husband lost family in the holocaust

  Part of her identity- afraid that we are going in direction of Nazi Germany

  The Next Door- to help families of color and low income

  Saw family separation and doesn't want that to happen

  How has being Jewish impacted her

  Instilled with jewish identity

  Centuries of being persecuted

  Jewish people who are Trump supporters

  ]]>Janet Hamada

  Japanese and Jewish

  Executive Director- The Next Door Inc.

  Mid-Columbia Region

  Father and family in internment camp although 4th generation Japanese-American

  Mother's family is Jewish

  Didn't realize about issues of being bi-racial

  When she went to UK- everyone stared at her

  People would assume it was safe to say anti-semitic things because they didn't realize she was also Jewish

  Being from internment and hearing stories

  Also husband lost family in the holocaust

  Part of her identity- afraid that we are going in direction of Nazi Germany

  The Next Door- to help families of color and low income

  Saw family separation and doesn't want that to happen

  How has being Jewish impacted her

  Instilled with jewish identity

  Centuries of being persecuted

  Jewish people who are Trump supporters

  ]]>099d5cda-b43a-438b-96fb-42724a53ebbdMon, 14 Sep 2020 21:11:08 -070059:37falsefull163631Reflections on Race and Racism with a Black Ex-Police OfficerAnthony Sturkey, a Black ex-officer from the Long Beach Police Department joins me on this Conversation on race to offer a realistic perspective on what's happening today in the US regarding race, racism and law enforcement.
  ]]>Anthony Sturkey, a Black ex-officer from the Long Beach Police Department joins me on this Conversation on race to offer a realistic perspective on what's happening today in the US regarding race, racism and law enforcement.
  ]]>cb8382f1-8784-410e-9461-0dc93e087989Thu, 03 Sep 2020 21:22:24 -070051:53falsefull162621Get Black FloydBlack Floyd is the new album with Lorelei Social commentary, different influences, and the whole music evolution of Pink Floyd!
  ]]>Black Floyd is the new album with Lorelei Social commentary, different influences, and the whole music evolution of Pink Floyd!
  ]]>26045375-44c0-4d4a-8b7f-df86223a5067Wed, 12 Aug 2020 16:37:54 -070059:34falsefull11White people activistsIn this episode, LeRon shares his experience and talks about reasons why white folks want to come out and about their activism.
  ]]>In this episode, LeRon shares his experience and talks about reasons why white folks want to come out and about their activism.
  ]]>594531e9-aa84-41d5-a703-16acb73d0662Tue, 04 Aug 2020 21:55:41 -070055:43falsefull11Race, Reconciliation and TransformationMy guests on RaceConvo are Wanda Whitaker, Peter Rubin and Gaylon Logan from Village Connect. In episode called Race, Reconciliation and Transformation.
  ]]>My guests on RaceConvo are Wanda Whitaker, Peter Rubin and Gaylon Logan from Village Connect. In episode called Race, Reconciliation and Transformation.
  ]]>47c80802-e728-4c06-90a7-9f22ed391f31Tue, 21 Jul 2020 22:00:40 -070001:02:57falsefull11Black Trans Lives - Race ConvoKairo Jamal Evans joins me for Conversation on Race to talk about his experience as a 25-year-old Black Trans Man. Listen in to hear about his transition.
  ]]>Kairo Jamal Evans joins me for Conversation on Race to talk about his experience as a 25-year-old Black Trans Man. Listen in to hear about his transition.
  ]]>ea209aa9-551f-44f9-ba2a-22d1d85d8d7bMon, 06 Jul 2020 18:56:52 -070055:08falsefull11Living While BlackOn this Episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, I'm joined by my very close friend and colleague, Dr. Joel Brown. Joel is an international known organizational and leadership development consultant. He is a spoken word poet, and a thought leader in Diversity, Equity, Inclusion and Belonging. The president and founder of Pneumos, Joel is known as the cultivator.

  Key Topics:

  • Messages he received as a young Black man growing up in Milwaukee
  • Avoid the police who would shoot first and ask questions later
  • How to talk to the police if he ever go stopped so he wouldn't be shot or put in jail
  • Be grateful that to go to a school with white kids
  • Because of racism, he would have to work twice as hard as white people
  • These warnings and lessons have stayed with him all of these years
  • What it was like to have to have relatives in law enforcement and the difficulties they had to endure
  • How Joel learned about the racism and toxic masculinity of "blue culture" from his relatives in law enforcement
  • The many times and different cities he has been stopped by police just living or driving while black
  • The real problem with the phrase "all lives matter"
  • The fact that Black people are traumatized, hurting and exhausted but he is encouraged by the fact that so many white and other non-Black people of color are outraged, marching and speaking out
  • Why he thinks that the phrase "Defund the Police" should be changed to "Reallocate funds" and that it would be more effective in getting the same results
  • And what's up with Antifa
  
  

  Contact info for Joel Brown:

  Joel@Pneumos.com

  www.souletry.com

  www.Pneumos.com

  Twitter: JoelBrown7

  IG: JoelABrown

  ]]>On this Episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, I'm joined by my very close friend and colleague, Dr. Joel Brown. Joel is an international known organizational and leadership development consultant. He is a spoken word poet, and a thought leader in Diversity, Equity, Inclusion and Belonging. The president and founder of Pneumos, Joel is known as the cultivator.

  Key Topics:

  • Messages he received as a young Black man growing up in Milwaukee
  • Avoid the police who would shoot first and ask questions later
  • How to talk to the police if he ever go stopped so he wouldn't be shot or put in jail
  • Be grateful that to go to a school with white kids
  • Because of racism, he would have to work twice as hard as white people
  • These warnings and lessons have stayed with him all of these years
  • What it was like to have to have relatives in law enforcement and the difficulties they had to endure
  • How Joel learned about the racism and toxic masculinity of "blue culture" from his relatives in law enforcement
  • The many times and different cities he has been stopped by police just living or driving while black
  • The real problem with the phrase "all lives matter"
  • The fact that Black people are traumatized, hurting and exhausted but he is encouraged by the fact that so many white and other non-Black people of color are outraged, marching and speaking out
  • Why he thinks that the phrase "Defund the Police" should be changed to "Reallocate funds" and that it would be more effective in getting the same results
  • And what's up with Antifa
  
  

  Contact info for Joel Brown:

  Joel@Pneumos.com

  www.souletry.com

  www.Pneumos.com

  Twitter: JoelBrown7

  IG: JoelABrown

  ]]>0a5581ec-0c92-4d02-97e9-86646ea90f79Thu, 25 Jun 2020 21:01:53 -070054:19falsefull5757Police Bias and Black PanthersIn this Everyday Conversation on Race, I'm joined by white ex-police officer Charles Hayes, author of the book "Blue Bias," and Elmer Dixon founder and former leader of the Seattle Black Panthers. They share their personal histories, their work around race and their perspectives on fighting against racism in the wake of the murder of George Floyd and ensuing world-wide protests.

  In 1968, Elmer Dixon and his brother Aaron came to Oakland to hear Bobby Seale the chairman of the Black Panther Party speak. Right after, they decided to form a chapter of the Black Panther Party in Seattle. It was the first chapter outside of California, and lasted until 1982, making it the longest running Black Panther chapter. The medical clinic they started is still operating.

  Today, Elmer still works to eliminate racism, injustice and inequities in the US, as president of the Executive Diversity Services an organizational development consulting firm.

  Charles Hayes grew up in Oklahoma and Texas in the 1940s and 1950s. He joined the Marines at 17, and four years later became a police officer in Dallas. He says that that the area and the department were racist to the core.

  Charles burnt out after several years due to constant calls to break up situations of domestic violence. He didn't have the maturity to understand the deeper issues affecting people in these situations.

  After leaving the police department he began learning about life and reading in order to educate himself. His life changed when he read a "Letter from a Birmingham Jail," by Martin Luther King. That's when he decided to work on unraveling the racist education he got.

  As a consultant, Elmer had the opportunity to work with police. After leading successful programs for police in Chicago, he went on work with police in Washington, Ireland and other cities. As a member of the Black Panther Party, which was named the Number One threat to US Security by the FBI, working with the police was a major shift in perspective for him.

  Key topics in this episode:

  • The origin, and manifestations of police bias

  • The role of neuroscience, external stimuli and stressors in the development of unconscious bias amongst cops

  • How the police department attracts people with authoritarian personality

  • Deaths of unarmed Black and Brown people at the hands of police

  • The murders of George Floyd. Tamir Rice, Breonna Taylor, Ahmaud Arbery, along with the confluence of people sheltering in place, not working, struggling financially has put us at a tipping point in this country and the world

  • How some Black police officers internalize bias and brutalize people in the Black community

  • Solutions to end racist police practices

  • Lessons learned from the Black Panther Party for today's fight against racism, police brutality and injustice

  • Why a coherent vision and plan is necessary to sustain momentum and create systemic change, and what that might look like.

  Contact info for guests

  Email Charles Hayes Autpress@Alaska.net

  Email Elmer Dixon EDixon@ExecutiveDiversity.com

  ]]>In this Everyday Conversation on Race, I'm joined by white ex-police officer Charles Hayes, author of the book "Blue Bias," and Elmer Dixon founder and former leader of the Seattle Black Panthers. They share their personal histories, their work around race and their perspectives on fighting against racism in the wake of the murder of George Floyd and ensuing world-wide protests.

  In 1968, Elmer Dixon and his brother Aaron came to Oakland to hear Bobby Seale the chairman of the Black Panther Party speak. Right after, they decided to form a chapter of the Black Panther Party in Seattle. It was the first chapter outside of California, and lasted until 1982, making it the longest running Black Panther chapter. The medical clinic they started is still operating.

  Today, Elmer still works to eliminate racism, injustice and inequities in the US, as president of the Executive Diversity Services an organizational development consulting firm.

  Charles Hayes grew up in Oklahoma and Texas in the 1940s and 1950s. He joined the Marines at 17, and four years later became a police officer in Dallas. He says that that the area and the department were racist to the core.

  Charles burnt out after several years due to constant calls to break up situations of domestic violence. He didn't have the maturity to understand the deeper issues affecting people in these situations.

  After leaving the police department he began learning about life and reading in order to educate himself. His life changed when he read a "Letter from a Birmingham Jail," by Martin Luther King. That's when he decided to work on unraveling the racist education he got.

  As a consultant, Elmer had the opportunity to work with police. After leading successful programs for police in Chicago, he went on work with police in Washington, Ireland and other cities. As a member of the Black Panther Party, which was named the Number One threat to US Security by the FBI, working with the police was a major shift in perspective for him.

  Key topics in this episode:

  • The origin, and manifestations of police bias

  • The role of neuroscience, external stimuli and stressors in the development of unconscious bias amongst cops

  • How the police department attracts people with authoritarian personality

  • Deaths of unarmed Black and Brown people at the hands of police

  • The murders of George Floyd. Tamir Rice, Breonna Taylor, Ahmaud Arbery, along with the confluence of people sheltering in place, not working, struggling financially has put us at a tipping point in this country and the world

  • How some Black police officers internalize bias and brutalize people in the Black community

  • Solutions to end racist police practices

  • Lessons learned from the Black Panther Party for today's fight against racism, police brutality and injustice

  • Why a coherent vision and plan is necessary to sustain momentum and create systemic change, and what that might look like.

  Contact info for guests

  Email Charles Hayes Autpress@Alaska.net

  Email Elmer Dixon EDixon@ExecutiveDiversity.com

  ]]>9e56b103-9066-45a3-ba2d-cfcc82977b13Wed, 10 Jun 2020 18:31:57 -070058:46falsefull5656Karen ControversyThe term "Karen" to describe certain white women who exhibit extreme privileged entitled behavior began on social media and is quickly becoming part of today's lexicon. As my guests in this episode of "Everyday Conversations on Race" explain, the archetype of a "Karen" would be a white woman who goes to Starbucks, usually dressed a certain way and expects to be treated like the only customer. When the barista spells her name wrong, she demands to see the manager and must have a new cup.

  However, a group of white women complain that the term is "racist towards white women, ageist and classist. They are demanding the end of this term.

  In this Conversation on Race, I'm joined by two women named Karen, who share their perspective on calling certain white women "Karens" for their white privilege behavior.

  Karen Fleshman is a white woman, who founded the organization "Racy Conversations," an anti-racist group. She has written about the term and why she agrees with it. In this conversation on race, this Karen shares her background and how she came to be an active, outspoken anti-racist.

  Commissioner Karen Clopton is an African-American woman who grew up in South Central Los Angeles. It was segregated by race but had a mix of professionals and working-class people. She is a member of the SF Civil Rights Commission. She shares her experience as a young Black woman in a family that taught her early on about what it meant to be Black growing up in the USA.

  Key Topics:

  • Is it racist against white people, sexist against white women or ageist against white women to use the descriptor "Karen" to describe entitled behavior by certain white women.
  • How to talk about racism to white people
  • Why not talking about race and racism to children is racist
  • The way racism has been institutionalized since the founding of the US
  • How white people by default are beneficiaries of racism and have privilege as a result
  • Why white supremacists think they are shielded from COVID
  • Bringing the controversy to light of the "Karen" phenomena
  • What the term "Karen" means when it refers to actions of some white women
  • Why the two Karens don't take offense at the term and why they think it's justified
  • What "peak Karen" looks like
  • If you would like to see a "Karen" in action, look for the video of Amy Cooper, a white woman walking her unleashed dog in Central Park in an area that clearly stated dogs must be leashed because it was a habitat for birds. When an African-American man who was there to study birds asked her to leash her dog, she threatened him and called the police saying she was afraid for her life of an African-American man harassing her.
  
  

  Guest Bios:

  An award-winning trailblazer, Karen Valentia Clopton brings deep knowledge, demonstrated operational expertise, and non-partisan insight into the political and regulatory arenas. She has served in top leadership, board, and executive roles in both governmental and non-governmental organizations across many regulated industries. General Counsel and Vice President of Access and Inclusion for Incendio International, Inc. and a nationally recognized civil rights advocate, she also serves as a San Francisco Human Rights Commissioner.

  Karen Fleshman is the founder of Racy Conversations and is a racial equity trainer and government accountability activist striving to build and support a community of people committed to love, learning, accountability, and action on race in America. She is the author of the book White Women, We Need to Talk: Doing Our Part to End Racism

  ]]>The term "Karen" to describe certain white women who exhibit extreme privileged entitled behavior began on social media and is quickly becoming part of today's lexicon. As my guests in this episode of "Everyday Conversations on Race" explain, the archetype of a "Karen" would be a white woman who goes to Starbucks, usually dressed a certain way and expects to be treated like the only customer. When the barista spells her name wrong, she demands to see the manager and must have a new cup.

  However, a group of white women complain that the term is "racist towards white women, ageist and classist. They are demanding the end of this term.

  In this Conversation on Race, I'm joined by two women named Karen, who share their perspective on calling certain white women "Karens" for their white privilege behavior.

  Karen Fleshman is a white woman, who founded the organization "Racy Conversations," an anti-racist group. She has written about the term and why she agrees with it. In this conversation on race, this Karen shares her background and how she came to be an active, outspoken anti-racist.

  Commissioner Karen Clopton is an African-American woman who grew up in South Central Los Angeles. It was segregated by race but had a mix of professionals and working-class people. She is a member of the SF Civil Rights Commission. She shares her experience as a young Black woman in a family that taught her early on about what it meant to be Black growing up in the USA.

  Key Topics:

  • Is it racist against white people, sexist against white women or ageist against white women to use the descriptor "Karen" to describe entitled behavior by certain white women.
  • How to talk about racism to white people
  • Why not talking about race and racism to children is racist
  • The way racism has been institutionalized since the founding of the US
  • How white people by default are beneficiaries of racism and have privilege as a result
  • Why white supremacists think they are shielded from COVID
  • Bringing the controversy to light of the "Karen" phenomena
  • What the term "Karen" means when it refers to actions of some white women
  • Why the two Karens don't take offense at the term and why they think it's justified
  • What "peak Karen" looks like
  • If you would like to see a "Karen" in action, look for the video of Amy Cooper, a white woman walking her unleashed dog in Central Park in an area that clearly stated dogs must be leashed because it was a habitat for birds. When an African-American man who was there to study birds asked her to leash her dog, she threatened him and called the police saying she was afraid for her life of an African-American man harassing her.
  
  

  Guest Bios:

  An award-winning trailblazer, Karen Valentia Clopton brings deep knowledge, demonstrated operational expertise, and non-partisan insight into the political and regulatory arenas. She has served in top leadership, board, and executive roles in both governmental and non-governmental organizations across many regulated industries. General Counsel and Vice President of Access and Inclusion for Incendio International, Inc. and a nationally recognized civil rights advocate, she also serves as a San Francisco Human Rights Commissioner.

  Karen Fleshman is the founder of Racy Conversations and is a racial equity trainer and government accountability activist striving to build and support a community of people committed to love, learning, accountability, and action on race in America. She is the author of the book White Women, We Need to Talk: Doing Our Part to End Racism

  ]]>aadfc507-aa09-471d-be2f-8ea4bf0a68e6Mon, 01 Jun 2020 07:50:12 -070001:03:44falsefull5555The Racial Impacts of COVID-19Teri Yuan and Carole Copeland Thomas join me for this conversation on race to talk about race, racism and the COVID 19 pandemic. Teri talks about her experience as a Chinese-American and her perspective on the escalation of racist attacks against Asians who are being blamed by some for Covid-19. Carole shares her history, information and her perspective on the high death rate of African Americans

  Key Topics in this Episode

  • The lack of race consciousness of many Asian people
  • What it means to be white adjacent
  • What Asian-Americans can do to be more aware of race and the history of racism in the United States
  • How people from targeted groups can be allies and support each other against racist attack
  • Racial health disparities that result in the high infection and death rate of African-Americans
  • The lack of PPE for essential workers, many of whom are people of color
  • How gender issues have resulted in women bearing the brunt of the pandemic
  • How white supremacy fuels the escalation of racism and blame of specific groups
  
  

  Guest Bios:

  Teri Yuan is a survivor, a feminist business consultant, and founder of the Engendered Collective, a platform for survivors, practitioners, and allies to connect in community, learning, and advocacy through the radical inquiry of patriarchy. As part of the Collective's work, Teri manages the Kanduit QNA social service community and hosts the weekly podcast, en(gender)ed, which explores the systems, practices and policies that enable gender-based violence and oppression and offers solutions to end it. En(gender)ed uses gender as a lens to better understand power and oppression and its impact in the private realm, so as to better recognize and confront it in the public sphere. Teri believes that by developing a cultural literacy around power and abuse of power, we can reclaim how we define liberty in relationships and in civic life and solve many of our most urgent social (justice) challenges.

  Carole Copeland Thomas As an award-winning TEDx speaker, trainer, and global thought leader, since 1987, Carole Copeland Thomas moderates the discussions of critical issues affecting the marketplace, including global diversity, inclusion, and multiculturalism. She has her pulse on the issues affecting working professionals and regularly consults with industry leaders. She has spent 33 years of cultivating relationships and partnerships with local, national, and international clients and sponsors, including Walmart, Amtrak, and Emirates Airlines. Carole served as an adjunct faculty member at Bentley University for ten years. She has spoken in nearly every state in the US and seven other countries. Carole is the past president of The National Speakers Association-New England Chapter and served on the leadership team of Black NSA. She has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Black Enterprise, ABC Radio, and CBS News. Carole is a blogger and social media enthusiast using various technology platforms to enhance her business development activities.

  ]]>Teri Yuan and Carole Copeland Thomas join me for this conversation on race to talk about race, racism and the COVID 19 pandemic. Teri talks about her experience as a Chinese-American and her perspective on the escalation of racist attacks against Asians who are being blamed by some for Covid-19. Carole shares her history, information and her perspective on the high death rate of African Americans

  Key Topics in this Episode

  • The lack of race consciousness of many Asian people
  • What it means to be white adjacent
  • What Asian-Americans can do to be more aware of race and the history of racism in the United States
  • How people from targeted groups can be allies and support each other against racist attack
  • Racial health disparities that result in the high infection and death rate of African-Americans
  • The lack of PPE for essential workers, many of whom are people of color
  • How gender issues have resulted in women bearing the brunt of the pandemic
  • How white supremacy fuels the escalation of racism and blame of specific groups
  
  

  Guest Bios:

  Teri Yuan is a survivor, a feminist business consultant, and founder of the Engendered Collective, a platform for survivors, practitioners, and allies to connect in community, learning, and advocacy through the radical inquiry of patriarchy. As part of the Collective's work, Teri manages the Kanduit QNA social service community and hosts the weekly podcast, en(gender)ed, which explores the systems, practices and policies that enable gender-based violence and oppression and offers solutions to end it. En(gender)ed uses gender as a lens to better understand power and oppression and its impact in the private realm, so as to better recognize and confront it in the public sphere. Teri believes that by developing a cultural literacy around power and abuse of power, we can reclaim how we define liberty in relationships and in civic life and solve many of our most urgent social (justice) challenges.

  Carole Copeland Thomas As an award-winning TEDx speaker, trainer, and global thought leader, since 1987, Carole Copeland Thomas moderates the discussions of critical issues affecting the marketplace, including global diversity, inclusion, and multiculturalism. She has her pulse on the issues affecting working professionals and regularly consults with industry leaders. She has spent 33 years of cultivating relationships and partnerships with local, national, and international clients and sponsors, including Walmart, Amtrak, and Emirates Airlines. Carole served as an adjunct faculty member at Bentley University for ten years. She has spoken in nearly every state in the US and seven other countries. Carole is the past president of The National Speakers Association-New England Chapter and served on the leadership team of Black NSA. She has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Black Enterprise, ABC Radio, and CBS News. Carole is a blogger and social media enthusiast using various technology platforms to enhance her business development activities.

  ]]>5b331510-2006-41d9-9992-310c648b57faThu, 21 May 2020 02:23:55 -070057:26falsefull5454Racist Zoombombing; Just Pranks or White SupremacyRacist ZoomBombing has brought fear, disruption and even trauma to people who need the Zoom platform for community, connection and their work.

  Zoom has been a sanity saver for many of us during this Covid-19 pandemic. But there is an underside to the Zoom platform, one of racism, sexism and white supremacy. In this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People, Laura Cathcart Robbins joins me to talk about her experience with racist ZoomBombing. While attending a Zoom meeting for women who are recovering alcoholics, her meeting was taking over by white supremacists yelling racist slogans and exposing themselves. Everyone was angry and upset, but as the only Black woman in the meeting, this attack had a deeper impact. She thought this was a place where she could feel safe and share part of herself. Despite what some people say ZoomBombing is not a childish prank. It is an assault and constitutes terrorism.

  Laura Cathcart Robbins experienced ZoomBombing more than once while attending meetings that were meant to support her recovery from alcohol and the recovery or millions of other people from alcoholism, drug addiction and other issues. During the first incident the person had a picture of a lynching, started shouting KKK, slogans against Black and LGBT people. This happened again and again when she attended other 12 Step meetings.

  As a result, Zoom had to start requiring a password to get into a meeting. This is really difficult for new people looking for help to get clean and sober or recover from other issues. If they are just seeking help they have no access to the password unless they know someone.

  Topics covered in this episode:

  • Trying to get sober during a quarantine but not being able to get the password.
  • The challenge for a person of color, particularly a Black person to get sober, who attends a meeting where racists attack the platform. It's terrifying and could stop someone from coming back.
  • What it's like to be the only Black woman in certain places.
  • People claiming that racist Zoombombing is just a prank by young kids.
  • Racist Zoombombing is not a prank. It's an assault and not "kids being kids." It's terrorism.
  • Do not tell someone who has been victimized by these racist, sexist, antisemitic attacks to not take it personally or that they are overly sensitive.
  • This is racist terrorism and has left her and other people attending recovery 12 Step meetings scared and afraid to participate.
  • This is a time when people with alcohol, drug or any other kind of addiction issues needs these meetings.
  • Zoom has responded and added security which helps deal with the attacks but also is an obstacle to people trying to get sober and clean from drugs.
  • It's not up to someone who is not from a targeted group to tell people from any of those groups how to feel. It's extremely offensive.
  • If you care and say you are against racism, homophobia, antisemitism then you need to demonstrate it by speaking up when you see it happen. Don't expect that the person from the targeted group should be able to handle it or be the one to speak up.
  
  

  Bio of Laura Cathcart Robbins

  Laura Cathcart Robbins is a freelance writer, podcast host, and storyteller, living in Studio City, California with her son, Justin and her boyfriend, Scott Slaughter. She has been active for many years as a speaker and school trustee and is credited for creating The Buckley School's nationally recognized committee on Diversity, Equity and Inclusion. Her recent articles in the Huffington Post on the subjects of race, recovery, and divorce have garnered her worldwide acclaim. She is a 2018 LA Moth StorySlam winner and host of the popular podcast, The Only One In The Room, which is available on all podcast platforms. Laura currently sits on the advisory board for the San Diego Writer's Festival and is also a founding member of Moving Forewords, the first national memoirist collective of its kind.

  You can find her on Facebook @lauracathcartrobbins, on Instagram @official_cathcartrobbins and follow her on Twitter @LauraCRobbins.

  Laura Cathcart Robbins

  https://theonlyonepod.com

  ]]>Racist ZoomBombing has brought fear, disruption and even trauma to people who need the Zoom platform for community, connection and their work.

  Zoom has been a sanity saver for many of us during this Covid-19 pandemic. But there is an underside to the Zoom platform, one of racism, sexism and white supremacy. In this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People, Laura Cathcart Robbins joins me to talk about her experience with racist ZoomBombing. While attending a Zoom meeting for women who are recovering alcoholics, her meeting was taking over by white supremacists yelling racist slogans and exposing themselves. Everyone was angry and upset, but as the only Black woman in the meeting, this attack had a deeper impact. She thought this was a place where she could feel safe and share part of herself. Despite what some people say ZoomBombing is not a childish prank. It is an assault and constitutes terrorism.

  Laura Cathcart Robbins experienced ZoomBombing more than once while attending meetings that were meant to support her recovery from alcohol and the recovery or millions of other people from alcoholism, drug addiction and other issues. During the first incident the person had a picture of a lynching, started shouting KKK, slogans against Black and LGBT people. This happened again and again when she attended other 12 Step meetings.

  As a result, Zoom had to start requiring a password to get into a meeting. This is really difficult for new people looking for help to get clean and sober or recover from other issues. If they are just seeking help they have no access to the password unless they know someone.

  Topics covered in this episode:

  • Trying to get sober during a quarantine but not being able to get the password.
  • The challenge for a person of color, particularly a Black person to get sober, who attends a meeting where racists attack the platform. It's terrifying and could stop someone from coming back.
  • What it's like to be the only Black woman in certain places.
  • People claiming that racist Zoombombing is just a prank by young kids.
  • Racist Zoombombing is not a prank. It's an assault and not "kids being kids." It's terrorism.
  • Do not tell someone who has been victimized by these racist, sexist, antisemitic attacks to not take it personally or that they are overly sensitive.
  • This is racist terrorism and has left her and other people attending recovery 12 Step meetings scared and afraid to participate.
  • This is a time when people with alcohol, drug or any other kind of addiction issues needs these meetings.
  • Zoom has responded and added security which helps deal with the attacks but also is an obstacle to people trying to get sober and clean from drugs.
  • It's not up to someone who is not from a targeted group to tell people from any of those groups how to feel. It's extremely offensive.
  • If you care and say you are against racism, homophobia, antisemitism then you need to demonstrate it by speaking up when you see it happen. Don't expect that the person from the targeted group should be able to handle it or be the one to speak up.
  
  

  Bio of Laura Cathcart Robbins

  Laura Cathcart Robbins is a freelance writer, podcast host, and storyteller, living in Studio City, California with her son, Justin and her boyfriend, Scott Slaughter. She has been active for many years as a speaker and school trustee and is credited for creating The Buckley School's nationally recognized committee on Diversity, Equity and Inclusion. Her recent articles in the Huffington Post on the subjects of race, recovery, and divorce have garnered her worldwide acclaim. She is a 2018 LA Moth StorySlam winner and host of the popular podcast, The Only One In The Room, which is available on all podcast platforms. Laura currently sits on the advisory board for the San Diego Writer's Festival and is also a founding member of Moving Forewords, the first national memoirist collective of its kind.

  You can find her on Facebook @lauracathcartrobbins, on Instagram @official_cathcartrobbins and follow her on Twitter @LauraCRobbins.

  Laura Cathcart Robbins

  https://theonlyonepod.com

  ]]>c32902ce-a5b7-47e2-b0cf-ccb696b02f80Thu, 07 May 2020 23:12:07 -070053:38falsefull5353Racism Against Asians During Covid-19Michell Meow, well known radio and TV host on LGBTQ+ and other issues, joins me on Everyday Conversations on Race, to talk about this important topic of racism against Asians during Covid-19. Michelle shares her background as the daughter of Laotian immigrants in Stockton, California. She offers her perspective on the increase of physical and verbal attacks against Asians, as well as how to stop them.

  Key points from Michelle Meow:

  • In order to understand the recent racist attacks against Asian people we have to talk about race as a historical and systemic issue
  
  

  Her Background

  • We have to talk about race and racism on a systemic level and how it impacts all of us
  • Everyone has bias and those biases are more acute during crises. Michelle is always checking her own biases.
  • She grew up very poor in Stockton, California around mostly southeast Asians. The median income for families is $35,000. When her father died and her mother was left with five kids to raise, they moved into the projects and she became friends with more Black and Latino people.
  
  

  Views on the Covid-19 pandemic and racism

  • This pandemic is scary and people need to stay healthy
  • People are looking for other people to blame. The president has empowered people who are in extreme fear to blame Asian people for Coved- 19. As a result, elderly Asian people have gotten beaten up, yelled at, spit on and stabbed.
  • Asian people are scared about the virus and also scared about being targeted by racists and people who have bought into what Trump has been saying in the media. It's very painful for her to know that now Asian people have to be scared of getting beaten up by people who are also scared.
  • If people did their homework, they would understand more about Covid-19, how it all began, the fact that the US was warned about Covid-19 and did not prepare. Instead of taking responsibility many people in the US government who should have been preparing us are blaming China and Chinese people.
  • Scientists and doctors have talked about it for a long time and begged the world
  
  

  to pay attention

  • With all the messages and racist beliefs being spouted from the White House and allies, there are concerns amongst Asians about bias and getting the right care if they do get sick.
  • Even in other Asian countries there is discrimination and stereotyping of Chinese people. There have been incidents in Thailand of restaurants refusing to serve Chinese people.
  • There are also incidents of Chinese restaurants in China refusing to serve Black people
  
  

  What we need to do

  • We should focus on how to keep humans healthy
  • Understand racism and how racism is being used as a distraction to not look at government responsibility
  • Covid-19 is a global pandemic and will take a global solution
  • We are the wealthiest country with the most resources and are the most impacted. Most of us never thought this could happen in the US. Even that was racist, thinking it could happen in China or countries of people of color but not here.
  • We have to pay attention to who is dying and that it is mostly Black and Brown people who are losing their lives. They are the essential workers in the frontlines of the public.
  • Racism creates a barrier from people coming up with solutions.
  • There are more good people who don't want to give power to racists and haters.
  • There are African-American and Asian leaders who have been reaching out to work together and stop racist attacks against any group.
  
  

  What we can do as individuals

  • We can speak up and intervene if we see or hear racism against Asians
  • Offer to help shop for older Asian people who are afraid to get what they need
  • Educate ourselves about historical and structural racism. Educate other people and speak out against hate and fear of differences.
  
  

  Contact information

  www.MichelleMeow.com

  https://www.commonwealthclub.org/michelle-meow-show

  x

  ABOUT MICHELLE MEOW, Radio & TV talk show host - in her own words

  I've always dreamed big. As a little peculiar kid who grew up in Stockton, CA, I had an imagination that was too big for my little brain. I fantasized about a lot of things but as young as I can remember, I fantasized about being loved and accepted. The first time I tried to make friends with kids around my neighborhood, I was told to go "back to my country." Born here in California, I didn't know what they meant until the fights in the neighborhood became violent. The hatred you face from childhood to adulthood is dangerous and damaging. I hope one day we can change this for all of us. Why can't we learn to love and accept one another for our differences and our similarities? That is the journey or quest I am on and the reason behind the "Michelle Meow Show."

  ]]>Michell Meow, well known radio and TV host on LGBTQ+ and other issues, joins me on Everyday Conversations on Race, to talk about this important topic of racism against Asians during Covid-19. Michelle shares her background as the daughter of Laotian immigrants in Stockton, California. She offers her perspective on the increase of physical and verbal attacks against Asians, as well as how to stop them.

  Key points from Michelle Meow:

  • In order to understand the recent racist attacks against Asian people we have to talk about race as a historical and systemic issue
  
  

  Her Background

  • We have to talk about race and racism on a systemic level and how it impacts all of us
  • Everyone has bias and those biases are more acute during crises. Michelle is always checking her own biases.
  • She grew up very poor in Stockton, California around mostly southeast Asians. The median income for families is $35,000. When her father died and her mother was left with five kids to raise, they moved into the projects and she became friends with more Black and Latino people.
  
  

  Views on the Covid-19 pandemic and racism

  • This pandemic is scary and people need to stay healthy
  • People are looking for other people to blame. The president has empowered people who are in extreme fear to blame Asian people for Coved- 19. As a result, elderly Asian people have gotten beaten up, yelled at, spit on and stabbed.
  • Asian people are scared about the virus and also scared about being targeted by racists and people who have bought into what Trump has been saying in the media. It's very painful for her to know that now Asian people have to be scared of getting beaten up by people who are also scared.
  • If people did their homework, they would understand more about Covid-19, how it all began, the fact that the US was warned about Covid-19 and did not prepare. Instead of taking responsibility many people in the US government who should have been preparing us are blaming China and Chinese people.
  • Scientists and doctors have talked about it for a long time and begged the world
  
  

  to pay attention

  • With all the messages and racist beliefs being spouted from the White House and allies, there are concerns amongst Asians about bias and getting the right care if they do get sick.
  • Even in other Asian countries there is discrimination and stereotyping of Chinese people. There have been incidents in Thailand of restaurants refusing to serve Chinese people.
  • There are also incidents of Chinese restaurants in China refusing to serve Black people
  
  

  What we need to do

  • We should focus on how to keep humans healthy
  • Understand racism and how racism is being used as a distraction to not look at government responsibility
  • Covid-19 is a global pandemic and will take a global solution
  • We are the wealthiest country with the most resources and are the most impacted. Most of us never thought this could happen in the US. Even that was racist, thinking it could happen in China or countries of people of color but not here.
  • We have to pay attention to who is dying and that it is mostly Black and Brown people who are losing their lives. They are the essential workers in the frontlines of the public.
  • Racism creates a barrier from people coming up with solutions.
  • There are more good people who don't want to give power to racists and haters.
  • There are African-American and Asian leaders who have been reaching out to work together and stop racist attacks against any group.
  
  

  What we can do as individuals

  • We can speak up and intervene if we see or hear racism against Asians
  • Offer to help shop for older Asian people who are afraid to get what they need
  • Educate ourselves about historical and structural racism. Educate other people and speak out against hate and fear of differences.
  
  

  Contact information

  www.MichelleMeow.com

  https://www.commonwealthclub.org/michelle-meow-show

  x

  ABOUT MICHELLE MEOW, Radio & TV talk show host - in her own words

  I've always dreamed big. As a little peculiar kid who grew up in Stockton, CA, I had an imagination that was too big for my little brain. I fantasized about a lot of things but as young as I can remember, I fantasized about being loved and accepted. The first time I tried to make friends with kids around my neighborhood, I was told to go "back to my country." Born here in California, I didn't know what they meant until the fights in the neighborhood became violent. The hatred you face from childhood to adulthood is dangerous and damaging. I hope one day we can change this for all of us. Why can't we learn to love and accept one another for our differences and our similarities? That is the journey or quest I am on and the reason behind the "Michelle Meow Show."

  ]]>0f2ffd30-47b7-48d1-a85b-f47f5d8aa752Sun, 19 Apr 2020 06:42:02 -070057:08falsefull152521Conversation on Race and Racism in the Covid 19 Pandemic with Juan LopezConversations on Race and Racism in the Covid 19 Pandemic

  How do we continue to address racism in the midst of the Covid 19 pandemic while we practice physically distancing, shelter at home and become extreme hand-washers?

  Juan Lopez, Diversity, Equity and Inclusion thought leader, joins me to talk about racism in the time of COVID 19, and why conversations on race are so crucial right now.

  Listen to this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race to find creative ways to build community, connection and increase real communication in the virtual world of this global crisis,

  Juan was one of the first leaders in the movement to create organizations that support diversity, equity and inclusion. He shares his story about growing up a Chicano in California, as well as his past experience, present observations and future predictions for eliminating racism and division today.

  Key points from our discussion:

  • We are seeing an increase in racist attacks against Asians who are being scapegoated and blamed for the virus. These racist verbal and physical attacks are a result of some people feeling powerless and looking for a target, direct messages from the white house, extreme right-wing media and some government officials.
  • Those of us who are anti-racist, pro-unity and pro-love can take actions to stop people from harm and to help them be safe.
  • We can let people who are potential targets of racist attacks know that they can come to us if they are afraid. If possible, we will accompany them on essential errands or find ways to help them get groceries, gas and what they need for survival.
  • We can speak up on social media against racism and racist stereotypes, particularly against Asians.
  • If we hear people, we know make racist or hateful statements, we can't just excuse those comments but must intervene.
  • We can continue to create community, increase connection and effective communication across differences by calling people to check in, set up Zoom calls or use other remote platforms.
  • At this time, it's important to let people know they matter.
  • People who are targets of white supremacy need to know they are not alone and that we can be connected across those differences and go beyond just supporting those that look like us.
  
  

  On the playlist this week, is old school R&B with artists like the Eisley Brothers and I'm listening to "Wake Up Everybody," by Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes.

  As we get closer to the Jewish holiday of Passover, I'm listening to Jewish songs of resistance during the holocaust and thinking about how we all need each other right now. This is a scary time, but we can't let our fear turn to panic or exclusion. This is the time for love, inclusion and unity for those of those that want to eliminate fear of difference and bring people together.

  Bio for Juan Lopez

  Juan Lopez is the President of Amistad Associates, a consulting firm that provides Strategic Planning, Organizational Development, Team Building, Leadership, Customer Service, and Managing Diversity. In addition, Juan was a founder and principal with the Center for Reinventing Government.

  Juan has worked in the public and private sectors for the last 28 years. Since 1986, fifty percent of his work has focused on organizational development with local government and educational institutions.

  Under Juan's guidance, Amistad Associates has contributed to the organizational and leadership development of Port of Oakland, Port of Long Beach, Los Angeles Community Development Commission, Housing Authority of the City of Los Angeles, Sonoma State University, Contra Costa County, Napa County, Peralta Community College District, and several California Cities and non-profits.

  As a consultant with Sentient Systems, he provided training to cities and counties on changing organizational norms and taught the Continuing Education for Public Officials (CEPO) project, sponsored by the League of California Cities.

  Among Juan's clients are corporations, government, and non-profit organizations. He has provided leadership and diversity consulting services to AT&T, Bell Laboratories, NASA Johnston Space Center, Digital Equipment Corporation, Levi Straus and Co., Frito, Pepsi, Wells Fargo Banks, Avon Products International, Dupont, Fannie Mae, the U.S. Postal Service, public health centers, school districts, the Anti-Defamation League, Alameda Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, National Hispanic Corporate Council, University of California at Berkeley, and Sonoma State University.

  He is a member of the Diversity Collegium, professionals dedicated to advancing the field of Diversity through research and learning, and a co-founder of Diversity 2020

  ]]>Conversations on Race and Racism in the Covid 19 Pandemic

  How do we continue to address racism in the midst of the Covid 19 pandemic while we practice physically distancing, shelter at home and become extreme hand-washers?

  Juan Lopez, Diversity, Equity and Inclusion thought leader, joins me to talk about racism in the time of COVID 19, and why conversations on race are so crucial right now.

  Listen to this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race to find creative ways to build community, connection and increase real communication in the virtual world of this global crisis,

  Juan was one of the first leaders in the movement to create organizations that support diversity, equity and inclusion. He shares his story about growing up a Chicano in California, as well as his past experience, present observations and future predictions for eliminating racism and division today.

  Key points from our discussion:

  • We are seeing an increase in racist attacks against Asians who are being scapegoated and blamed for the virus. These racist verbal and physical attacks are a result of some people feeling powerless and looking for a target, direct messages from the white house, extreme right-wing media and some government officials.
  • Those of us who are anti-racist, pro-unity and pro-love can take actions to stop people from harm and to help them be safe.
  • We can let people who are potential targets of racist attacks know that they can come to us if they are afraid. If possible, we will accompany them on essential errands or find ways to help them get groceries, gas and what they need for survival.
  • We can speak up on social media against racism and racist stereotypes, particularly against Asians.
  • If we hear people, we know make racist or hateful statements, we can't just excuse those comments but must intervene.
  • We can continue to create community, increase connection and effective communication across differences by calling people to check in, set up Zoom calls or use other remote platforms.
  • At this time, it's important to let people know they matter.
  • People who are targets of white supremacy need to know they are not alone and that we can be connected across those differences and go beyond just supporting those that look like us.
  
  

  On the playlist this week, is old school R&B with artists like the Eisley Brothers and I'm listening to "Wake Up Everybody," by Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes.

  As we get closer to the Jewish holiday of Passover, I'm listening to Jewish songs of resistance during the holocaust and thinking about how we all need each other right now. This is a scary time, but we can't let our fear turn to panic or exclusion. This is the time for love, inclusion and unity for those of those that want to eliminate fear of difference and bring people together.

  Bio for Juan Lopez

  Juan Lopez is the President of Amistad Associates, a consulting firm that provides Strategic Planning, Organizational Development, Team Building, Leadership, Customer Service, and Managing Diversity. In addition, Juan was a founder and principal with the Center for Reinventing Government.

  Juan has worked in the public and private sectors for the last 28 years. Since 1986, fifty percent of his work has focused on organizational development with local government and educational institutions.

  Under Juan's guidance, Amistad Associates has contributed to the organizational and leadership development of Port of Oakland, Port of Long Beach, Los Angeles Community Development Commission, Housing Authority of the City of Los Angeles, Sonoma State University, Contra Costa County, Napa County, Peralta Community College District, and several California Cities and non-profits.

  As a consultant with Sentient Systems, he provided training to cities and counties on changing organizational norms and taught the Continuing Education for Public Officials (CEPO) project, sponsored by the League of California Cities.

  Among Juan's clients are corporations, government, and non-profit organizations. He has provided leadership and diversity consulting services to AT&T, Bell Laboratories, NASA Johnston Space Center, Digital Equipment Corporation, Levi Straus and Co., Frito, Pepsi, Wells Fargo Banks, Avon Products International, Dupont, Fannie Mae, the U.S. Postal Service, public health centers, school districts, the Anti-Defamation League, Alameda Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, National Hispanic Corporate Council, University of California at Berkeley, and Sonoma State University.

  He is a member of the Diversity Collegium, professionals dedicated to advancing the field of Diversity through research and learning, and a co-founder of Diversity 2020

  ]]>e7b86e8c-1430-4135-81fb-7e155594ab52Mon, 06 Apr 2020 00:54:46 -070038:42falsefull5151A Conversation on Race with Damona Hoffman; Black, Jewish, Biracial- star of Black LoveDamona Hoffman is a dating coach & media personality who starred in two A+E Networks' TV series: #BlackLove and A Question of Love. She's a contributor for The Washington Post, CNN Headline News (HLN), Match.com, BET.com, and more. Previously, Damona held creative executive & diversity positions at CBS, Paramount, and NBC Universal. Now, she hosts and produces two podcasts, I Make a Living (by FreshBooks) and Dates & Mates with Damona Hoffman.

  Damona talks with me about what it was like growing up Black and Jewish with an African-American mother and white Jewish father.

  Her first awareness and experience with direct racism and hate. was when she was 16 years old. "My friend took me to a party where I was the only Black person. A white guy holding a hockey stick kept pointing at people and asking them their name. When he pointed the stick at me she said, "N……, Bitch that what we call all of you."

  She felt threatened- scared, and shocked. When she jumped up and told her friend they had to go, the friend said she was over reacting.

  For Damona Hoffman, this was the moment for her that every person of experiences when they know that things will never be the same. And this is another reason why conversations on race are so crucial because too often, people who are not Black or not people of color do not understand how serious racism is.

  Key learning

  Those of us who are white need to understand that racism doesn't go away on its own. If you're in a situation where you hear a racist statement, see a racist action or witness a person of color being targeted, we have to speak up. We have to intervene. If we claim to be against racism or anti-racist we need to back up our words with action. If we don't we are colluding, and if we say nothing, we are colluding. Silence equals consent. Do not leave it up to the person of color to have to be a lone voice. In those cases you are either part of the solution you are the problem.

  It might be dangerous for a person of color to say something. Damona was lucky she got out but she wanted the friend to speak out and instead her friend made her feel more unsafe.

  Being Black, Jewish, and bi-racial helps her connect with people on many levels. There are also times when she gets excluded.

  Listen to the rest of the podcast to hear

  • When Damona feels included and when she thinks people look at her like she's an enemy
  • Issues of colorism in the Black community and how she worked through it
  • Thoughts on internalized racism and oppression
  • How she launched talent diversity programs at NBC and CBS
  • Experience and speaking out against microaggressions in Hollywood
  • Starring role In "Black Love" on A&E
  
  
  ]]>Damona Hoffman is a dating coach & media personality who starred in two A+E Networks' TV series: #BlackLove and A Question of Love. She's a contributor for The Washington Post, CNN Headline News (HLN), Match.com, BET.com, and more. Previously, Damona held creative executive & diversity positions at CBS, Paramount, and NBC Universal. Now, she hosts and produces two podcasts, I Make a Living (by FreshBooks) and Dates & Mates with Damona Hoffman.

  Damona talks with me about what it was like growing up Black and Jewish with an African-American mother and white Jewish father.

  Her first awareness and experience with direct racism and hate. was when she was 16 years old. "My friend took me to a party where I was the only Black person. A white guy holding a hockey stick kept pointing at people and asking them their name. When he pointed the stick at me she said, "N……, Bitch that what we call all of you."

  She felt threatened- scared, and shocked. When she jumped up and told her friend they had to go, the friend said she was over reacting.

  For Damona Hoffman, this was the moment for her that every person of experiences when they know that things will never be the same. And this is another reason why conversations on race are so crucial because too often, people who are not Black or not people of color do not understand how serious racism is.

  Key learning

  Those of us who are white need to understand that racism doesn't go away on its own. If you're in a situation where you hear a racist statement, see a racist action or witness a person of color being targeted, we have to speak up. We have to intervene. If we claim to be against racism or anti-racist we need to back up our words with action. If we don't we are colluding, and if we say nothing, we are colluding. Silence equals consent. Do not leave it up to the person of color to have to be a lone voice. In those cases you are either part of the solution you are the problem.

  It might be dangerous for a person of color to say something. Damona was lucky she got out but she wanted the friend to speak out and instead her friend made her feel more unsafe.

  Being Black, Jewish, and bi-racial helps her connect with people on many levels. There are also times when she gets excluded.

  Listen to the rest of the podcast to hear

  • When Damona feels included and when she thinks people look at her like she's an enemy
  • Issues of colorism in the Black community and how she worked through it
  • Thoughts on internalized racism and oppression
  • How she launched talent diversity programs at NBC and CBS
  • Experience and speaking out against microaggressions in Hollywood
  • Starring role In "Black Love" on A&E
  
  
  ]]>7664cd21-221b-4140-be61-c9f11d4d60f9Thu, 19 Mar 2020 23:40:28 -070051:52falsefull5050A Different Kind of Conversation on RaceIn this conversation on race, I talk with "Julian on the Radio" about his experiences and thoughts on race, diversity and being the child of Chinese immigrants. We talk Diversity, Equity and Inclusion and the need to continuously build a diverse community.

  He grew up in the Washington DC area amongst people from different cultures, races and ethnicities. His parents were originally from Shanghai and came to the US when they were young. Julian says that most people want to spend time with people who are most like them, but he has thrived by being around diversity of people from different races and cultures.

  Although he wasn't focused on race growing up there were times when he felt different from the other kids in high school. He wanted to be accepted but there times when he was left out, and felt "less than." There were times when he just wanted to "fit in," and asks "doesn't everyone." As we go deeper, he talks about the seemingly subtle racism he dealt with, and maybe he was even mad at his family for being from China. He's gotten more comfortable with himself, and no longer feels that way. Racism is all around us and Julian talks about how he lives his life.

  We continue to talk and the conversation on race gets more introspective.

  Julian barely graduated from high school and struggled through college, but then went on to have a successful career in radio.

  Key takeaways:

  •Traveling outside the US opens perspectives

  •Julian appreciates being raised in a multi-cultural environment and can't imagine only being around one culture.

  • No group is a monolith and we all have more than one culture

  • Julian on the Radio offers some advice for young people who are having a hard time accepting who they are, who may be different and feel excluded, and who hear negative messages about their groups

  • Befriend, pick people who will be your real friends

  • Look for people who will support you

  • Listen and absorb podcasts that talk about self-acceptance

  • Have good people around you

  We want to show that not everyone from the same culture is the same. We all have multiple identities, that make up our co-cultures. Diversity helps us understand the world around us.

  If you like the show and want to hear more conversations on race, go to www.raceconvo.com . And if you want help us grow, please share it with at least one other person.

  To join the race conversation and support Everyday Conversations on Race, go to www.patreon.com/raceconvo

  ]]>In this conversation on race, I talk with "Julian on the Radio" about his experiences and thoughts on race, diversity and being the child of Chinese immigrants. We talk Diversity, Equity and Inclusion and the need to continuously build a diverse community.

  He grew up in the Washington DC area amongst people from different cultures, races and ethnicities. His parents were originally from Shanghai and came to the US when they were young. Julian says that most people want to spend time with people who are most like them, but he has thrived by being around diversity of people from different races and cultures.

  Although he wasn't focused on race growing up there were times when he felt different from the other kids in high school. He wanted to be accepted but there times when he was left out, and felt "less than." There were times when he just wanted to "fit in," and asks "doesn't everyone." As we go deeper, he talks about the seemingly subtle racism he dealt with, and maybe he was even mad at his family for being from China. He's gotten more comfortable with himself, and no longer feels that way. Racism is all around us and Julian talks about how he lives his life.

  We continue to talk and the conversation on race gets more introspective.

  Julian barely graduated from high school and struggled through college, but then went on to have a successful career in radio.

  Key takeaways:

  •Traveling outside the US opens perspectives

  •Julian appreciates being raised in a multi-cultural environment and can't imagine only being around one culture.

  • No group is a monolith and we all have more than one culture

  • Julian on the Radio offers some advice for young people who are having a hard time accepting who they are, who may be different and feel excluded, and who hear negative messages about their groups

  • Befriend, pick people who will be your real friends

  • Look for people who will support you

  • Listen and absorb podcasts that talk about self-acceptance

  • Have good people around you

  We want to show that not everyone from the same culture is the same. We all have multiple identities, that make up our co-cultures. Diversity helps us understand the world around us.

  If you like the show and want to hear more conversations on race, go to www.raceconvo.com . And if you want help us grow, please share it with at least one other person.

  To join the race conversation and support Everyday Conversations on Race, go to www.patreon.com/raceconvo

  ]]>9fb1e3e8-e571-466a-a188-b6f1ca034714Sat, 07 Mar 2020 02:11:36 -070001:00:54falsefull149491How Success and Money Doesn't Stop Racism and DiscriminationIt would be hard to have a conversation on race and not address the contradiction that many successful Black people continue to face; having to deal with racism no matter how much money they have or how much they've accomplished.

  What would it feel like to be a Black man at the highest levels of corporate America, and still feel like you have to leave a large part of yourself at home. How much would racism impact your life during and after work as you rise to the top? How do you talk about race and racism with your family while still encouraging them to reach for their dreams?

  In this episode of "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People," I'm joined by David Casey, Executive Vice-President of one of the largest global pharmaceutical companies. In this very deep personal conversation, David shares how it feels to be a Black man in a position of power, influence and prestige in the executive suite while being seen as "just another Black man" in the street who can be stopped, and targeted because of his race.

  In our cross-race conversation on race, David Casey recounts his arrest at the age of eleven, handcuffed and thrown into the back of the police car for bringing a gun to school after he was bullied. The arresting officer was Black but as he was being taken down to the police station, a white officer pulls up next to him and says, "if I was there, I would have just shot you."

  Don't miss this opportunity to listen in and learn about race, racism and what it takes to get people to talk to each other.

  Key Topics Include:

  • How to talk about race, racism and ending racism at work
  • Lessons that young people of color in general and Black people in particular can learn about maintaining their integrity, bringing their whole selves to work today and feeling good about who they are
  • Lessons that white people who care about equality, equity and inclusion can learn by listening and hearing experiences about race, discrimination and working across race no matter how uncomfortable it might feel
  
  

  Resources in this show

  www.DavidCaseydiversity.com

  DavidCaseyDiversity@gmail.com

  David Casey bio:

  David Casey is Vice President, Workforce Strategies and Chief Diversity Officer for the national leader in retail pharmacy, pharmacy benefits management and retail health clinics. He has responsibility for developing and driving strategic diversity management, equal employment opportunity/affirmative action and workforce development strategies across a Fortune 7 company with over $153 billion in sales and about 240,000 employees throughout the United States, Washington D.C., Puerto Rico and Brazil with over 9600 retail stores in 49 states.

  He alsos serve as the president of a public charity designed to help company employees during unanticipated and unavoidable financial hardships and emergencies. This fund provides short-term, immediate financial relief to employees who've suffered significant hardship as a result of a natural disaster, military deployment, family death, medical emergency or other unforeseen designated events.

  In his previous role at a Fortune 33 company, he led the development and execution of corporate wide strategies to leverage the impact of diversity management and workplace culture for the nation's largest health benefits company with annual revenues of $61.1B with 42,000 associates and 36M members.

  ]]>It would be hard to have a conversation on race and not address the contradiction that many successful Black people continue to face; having to deal with racism no matter how much money they have or how much they've accomplished.

  What would it feel like to be a Black man at the highest levels of corporate America, and still feel like you have to leave a large part of yourself at home. How much would racism impact your life during and after work as you rise to the top? How do you talk about race and racism with your family while still encouraging them to reach for their dreams?

  In this episode of "Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People," I'm joined by David Casey, Executive Vice-President of one of the largest global pharmaceutical companies. In this very deep personal conversation, David shares how it feels to be a Black man in a position of power, influence and prestige in the executive suite while being seen as "just another Black man" in the street who can be stopped, and targeted because of his race.

  In our cross-race conversation on race, David Casey recounts his arrest at the age of eleven, handcuffed and thrown into the back of the police car for bringing a gun to school after he was bullied. The arresting officer was Black but as he was being taken down to the police station, a white officer pulls up next to him and says, "if I was there, I would have just shot you."

  Don't miss this opportunity to listen in and learn about race, racism and what it takes to get people to talk to each other.

  Key Topics Include:

  • How to talk about race, racism and ending racism at work
  • Lessons that young people of color in general and Black people in particular can learn about maintaining their integrity, bringing their whole selves to work today and feeling good about who they are
  • Lessons that white people who care about equality, equity and inclusion can learn by listening and hearing experiences about race, discrimination and working across race no matter how uncomfortable it might feel
  
  

  Resources in this show

  www.DavidCaseydiversity.com

  DavidCaseyDiversity@gmail.com

  David Casey bio:

  David Casey is Vice President, Workforce Strategies and Chief Diversity Officer for the national leader in retail pharmacy, pharmacy benefits management and retail health clinics. He has responsibility for developing and driving strategic diversity management, equal employment opportunity/affirmative action and workforce development strategies across a Fortune 7 company with over $153 billion in sales and about 240,000 employees throughout the United States, Washington D.C., Puerto Rico and Brazil with over 9600 retail stores in 49 states.

  He alsos serve as the president of a public charity designed to help company employees during unanticipated and unavoidable financial hardships and emergencies. This fund provides short-term, immediate financial relief to employees who've suffered significant hardship as a result of a natural disaster, military deployment, family death, medical emergency or other unforeseen designated events.

  In his previous role at a Fortune 33 company, he led the development and execution of corporate wide strategies to leverage the impact of diversity management and workplace culture for the nation's largest health benefits company with annual revenues of $61.1B with 42,000 associates and 36M members.

  ]]>e7828ddc-da7b-41f8-8de7-d54065d9d22aTue, 11 Feb 2020 23:17:46 -070057:14falsefull4848A Conversation on Race, Health Care and HIV from the US to Africa with Maurice GrahamMaurice joined on RaceConvo to talk about race, racism and health care. We talk about helping people recovery from addiction and live whole lives with HIV.
  ]]>Maurice joined on RaceConvo to talk about race, racism and health care. We talk about helping people recovery from addiction and live whole lives with HIV.
  ]]>dae546d7-3402-4965-b90d-61fa3e358537Thu, 23 Jan 2020 19:06:11 -070001:01:15falsefull4747Growing Up Brown in AustraliaBen Stokes joins me on "Everyday Conversations on Race," to talk about his experience being a person of color adopted by a white family in Australia. He didn't become aware of racism until his family moved from a small town to a larger city. That was when he would frequently encounter white people who would keep asking him where he was from and look at him in disbelief when the told them he was Australian. Despite having a strong Australian accent, he was often discounted as an Australian because of his brown skin.

  After coming to the US, with so many people of color, the questions still persisted from white Americans who couldn't believe that someone with brown skin could be from Australia.

  Ben has lived and worked in the US for over four years. You'll want to hear his story of how he was harassed by security agents as he re-entered the US from a trip abroad.

  His story is unique and not uncommon. Despite his experiences, Ben is the founder of the start-up SocialTable.

  SocialTable brings people together across differences over great food, great conversation and the desire to connect and build community.

  Biography

  Ben is the CEO and Founder of SocialTable. His personal, academic and professional journey to date is impressive and colourful – to say the least! View Ben's LinkedIn profile.

  Born in Sri Lanka, Ben spent his early years in a rural orphanage before he was adopted by Australian parents who raised him in Tasmania. Ben started his Uni years as a Med student, studying Medicine and then a Masters of Tropical Medicine and Public Health. Along the way, he recalls encountering great mentorship by the then CEO of St Vincent's Hospital. Funnily enough, Ben's mentorship with the St Vincent's Hospital CEO actually prompted his realisation that Med was not where he would be most happy. So Ben took some fairly drastic turns and completed a Law degree. The skilled communicator and leader's story of becoming a successful entrepreneur and philanthropist (having worked on the success of several med-tech products in the US market, as well his own enterprise SocialTable, along with his building projects for his very own orphanage in Sri Lanka) is too long for me to document here but it is full of insights, intelligence and authenticity.

  Ben can be contacted through email: ben@socialtable.co or through his LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bpstokes/

  ]]>Ben Stokes joins me on "Everyday Conversations on Race," to talk about his experience being a person of color adopted by a white family in Australia. He didn't become aware of racism until his family moved from a small town to a larger city. That was when he would frequently encounter white people who would keep asking him where he was from and look at him in disbelief when the told them he was Australian. Despite having a strong Australian accent, he was often discounted as an Australian because of his brown skin.

  After coming to the US, with so many people of color, the questions still persisted from white Americans who couldn't believe that someone with brown skin could be from Australia.

  Ben has lived and worked in the US for over four years. You'll want to hear his story of how he was harassed by security agents as he re-entered the US from a trip abroad.

  His story is unique and not uncommon. Despite his experiences, Ben is the founder of the start-up SocialTable.

  SocialTable brings people together across differences over great food, great conversation and the desire to connect and build community.

  Biography

  Ben is the CEO and Founder of SocialTable. His personal, academic and professional journey to date is impressive and colourful – to say the least! View Ben's LinkedIn profile.

  Born in Sri Lanka, Ben spent his early years in a rural orphanage before he was adopted by Australian parents who raised him in Tasmania. Ben started his Uni years as a Med student, studying Medicine and then a Masters of Tropical Medicine and Public Health. Along the way, he recalls encountering great mentorship by the then CEO of St Vincent's Hospital. Funnily enough, Ben's mentorship with the St Vincent's Hospital CEO actually prompted his realisation that Med was not where he would be most happy. So Ben took some fairly drastic turns and completed a Law degree. The skilled communicator and leader's story of becoming a successful entrepreneur and philanthropist (having worked on the success of several med-tech products in the US market, as well his own enterprise SocialTable, along with his building projects for his very own orphanage in Sri Lanka) is too long for me to document here but it is full of insights, intelligence and authenticity.

  Ben can be contacted through email: ben@socialtable.co or through his LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bpstokes/

  ]]>394223f5-b5d9-40e6-8d35-114223c34984Mon, 13 Jan 2020 00:24:45 -070053:56falsefull4646Mass Incarceration of Black and BrownMass Incarceration of Black and Brown men and women is a long-time problem that reflects historical and systemic racism in the criminal justice system. In this Conversation on Race, guests Shelly Hughes and Garrow Vincent share their experiences as African-Americans who spent time in the California prison system and what their lives are like today.
  ]]>Mass Incarceration of Black and Brown men and women is a long-time problem that reflects historical and systemic racism in the criminal justice system. In this Conversation on Race, guests Shelly Hughes and Garrow Vincent share their experiences as African-Americans who spent time in the California prison system and what their lives are like today.
  ]]>88f9a632-2c9f-4ed5-956d-c1973e223ba3Fri, 13 Dec 2019 20:04:36 -070001:07:43falsefull4545Real Conversation on Race and Mass IncarcerationMass Incarceration of Black and Brown men and women is a long-time problem that reflects historical and systemic racism in the criminal justice system. In this Conversation on Race, guests Shelly Hughes and Garrow Vincent share their experiences as African-Americans who spent time in the California prison system and what their lives are like today.

  You'll hear how mass incarceration was set up as a deliberate system right after slavery in order to continue white ownership of Black labor, and how that racist system continues to perpetuate. We go beyond books and theory and talk to individuals about their lives before, during and after incarceration.

  Topics in this conversation on race and the criminal justice system include:

  • How Black and Brown people are targeted for incarceration
  • Racial and economic inequities in sentencing
  • Racial segregation in women and men's prisons
  • How two former felons turned their lives around with the help of a larger community
  • From living the drug life to living clean, staying clean and making a difference in other people's lives
  • The personal side of systemic racism, mass incarceration and economic inequities
  
  

  Listen now to hear another enlightening, real conversation on race and the criminal justice system.

  ]]>Mass Incarceration of Black and Brown men and women is a long-time problem that reflects historical and systemic racism in the criminal justice system. In this Conversation on Race, guests Shelly Hughes and Garrow Vincent share their experiences as African-Americans who spent time in the California prison system and what their lives are like today.

  You'll hear how mass incarceration was set up as a deliberate system right after slavery in order to continue white ownership of Black labor, and how that racist system continues to perpetuate. We go beyond books and theory and talk to individuals about their lives before, during and after incarceration.

  Topics in this conversation on race and the criminal justice system include:

  • How Black and Brown people are targeted for incarceration
  • Racial and economic inequities in sentencing
  • Racial segregation in women and men's prisons
  • How two former felons turned their lives around with the help of a larger community
  • From living the drug life to living clean, staying clean and making a difference in other people's lives
  • The personal side of systemic racism, mass incarceration and economic inequities
  
  

  Listen now to hear another enlightening, real conversation on race and the criminal justice system.

  ]]>fc0adc99-5f5a-4866-9342-117ab7e083a8Tue, 10 Dec 2019 22:10:39 -070001:07:43falsefull146461Conversation on Race, Racism and Mental HealthGerald Chambers, Marriage and Family Therapist, and Dr. Ronnie Siddique, Psychologist, address issues of mental health in different communities of color and race-related trauma.

  Ronnie and Gerald talk about stigmas attached to getting treatment for mental health issues.

  There are trust issues of the mental health and medical profession because of historical racist treatment by mental health professions.

  Ronnie as a member of the South Asian community and Gerald from the African-American community say that too often they hear people say, "Suck it up. Deal with it yourself."

  Gerald says that in drug treatment research shows that the darker someone's skin the more severe the diagnosis and the less likely to get effective treatment.

  There has been a denial of racism as a factor in trauma and other mental health issues related to race and culture. Intake questionnaires need to include questions about race and cultural experiences.

  Therapists need to be trained in cultural intelligent therapy and be able to understand how racism impacts people from early ages physically, mentally and emotionally.

  While it's crucial for therapists and the whole mental health profession to understand historical issues of race, oppression and trauma, the need for help is real. At the same time every mental health issue of a person of color is not necessarily due to racism.

  Diversity and inclusion have to be part of the conversation and education of people in the mental health field.

  Listen to this episode to hear Dr. Ronnie Siddique and Gerald Chambers break down the challenges, issues and solutions to provide access to mental health treatment for low income and people of color.

  Bios:

  Gerald Chambers Gerald Chambers is a licensed marriage and family therapist who focuses on interpersonal conflict, domestic violence, substance abuse, and 12-Step recovery. He leads a 52-week domestic violence psycho-education group for court-mandated spousal batterers. and frequently speaks to lawyers, psychologists, social workers, as well as middle and elementary school children. Well known for his innovative strategies to reduce domestic violence, Gerald has been a guest speaker at the Boalt Hall School of Law, Golden Gate University, and various community-based organizations.

  Contact info: Gerald B. Chambers, LMFT

  510-761-6554

  www.geraldchambers.com

  View my blog

  Dr. Ronnie Siddique

  Dr. Siddique is a licensed clinical psychologist and neuropsychologist who works with clients of

  all ages representing a broad range of concerns, from ADHD and learning difficulties to depression and anxiety. She is the founders and owner of Embolden Psychology, her practice, with three locations in the Washington DC area. She specializes in community mental health and advocacy, clinical work and assessment, and writing and blogging about mental health.

  For the past 18 years, she has run a weekly community mental health clinic in the Washington, DC metropolitan area. She is a consultant for Doctors Without Borders, the Suhki Project, and the Pro Bono Counseling Project, in Washington, DC.

  In the summer of 2020, her book about anxiety and young people, Fight/Flight/Flow, will be released.

  Contact info: Ronnie Siddique, PhD Embolden Psychology Licensed Clinical Psychologist/Neuropsychologist Virginia, Maryland, Washington, DC

  https://embolden.world

  703-973-6534

  https://www.facebook.com/Emboldenpsych/

  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/embolden_psych/

  ]]>Gerald Chambers, Marriage and Family Therapist, and Dr. Ronnie Siddique, Psychologist, address issues of mental health in different communities of color and race-related trauma.

  Ronnie and Gerald talk about stigmas attached to getting treatment for mental health issues.

  There are trust issues of the mental health and medical profession because of historical racist treatment by mental health professions.

  Ronnie as a member of the South Asian community and Gerald from the African-American community say that too often they hear people say, "Suck it up. Deal with it yourself."

  Gerald says that in drug treatment research shows that the darker someone's skin the more severe the diagnosis and the less likely to get effective treatment.

  There has been a denial of racism as a factor in trauma and other mental health issues related to race and culture. Intake questionnaires need to include questions about race and cultural experiences.

  Therapists need to be trained in cultural intelligent therapy and be able to understand how racism impacts people from early ages physically, mentally and emotionally.

  While it's crucial for therapists and the whole mental health profession to understand historical issues of race, oppression and trauma, the need for help is real. At the same time every mental health issue of a person of color is not necessarily due to racism.

  Diversity and inclusion have to be part of the conversation and education of people in the mental health field.

  Listen to this episode to hear Dr. Ronnie Siddique and Gerald Chambers break down the challenges, issues and solutions to provide access to mental health treatment for low income and people of color.

  Bios:

  Gerald Chambers Gerald Chambers is a licensed marriage and family therapist who focuses on interpersonal conflict, domestic violence, substance abuse, and 12-Step recovery. He leads a 52-week domestic violence psycho-education group for court-mandated spousal batterers. and frequently speaks to lawyers, psychologists, social workers, as well as middle and elementary school children. Well known for his innovative strategies to reduce domestic violence, Gerald has been a guest speaker at the Boalt Hall School of Law, Golden Gate University, and various community-based organizations.

  Contact info: Gerald B. Chambers, LMFT

  510-761-6554

  www.geraldchambers.com

  View my blog

  Dr. Ronnie Siddique

  Dr. Siddique is a licensed clinical psychologist and neuropsychologist who works with clients of

  all ages representing a broad range of concerns, from ADHD and learning difficulties to depression and anxiety. She is the founders and owner of Embolden Psychology, her practice, with three locations in the Washington DC area. She specializes in community mental health and advocacy, clinical work and assessment, and writing and blogging about mental health.

  For the past 18 years, she has run a weekly community mental health clinic in the Washington, DC metropolitan area. She is a consultant for Doctors Without Borders, the Suhki Project, and the Pro Bono Counseling Project, in Washington, DC.

  In the summer of 2020, her book about anxiety and young people, Fight/Flight/Flow, will be released.

  Contact info: Ronnie Siddique, PhD Embolden Psychology Licensed Clinical Psychologist/Neuropsychologist Virginia, Maryland, Washington, DC

  https://embolden.world

  703-973-6534

  https://www.facebook.com/Emboldenpsych/

  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/embolden_psych/

  ]]>1470454f-f41c-483c-97f8-b954871f6e66Mon, 02 Dec 2019 02:18:18 -070055:00falsefull244442Don't Say This to Black PeopleIn this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, Selena Wilson and LeRon Barton talk with me about "backhanded compliments," or compulsions to describe, that are actually racist.

  To hear more, download this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People

  ]]>In this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, Selena Wilson and LeRon Barton talk with me about "backhanded compliments," or compulsions to describe, that are actually racist.

  To hear more, download this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People

  ]]>cdb8a240-62dd-4a5f-b202-4c89ff0a8ef9Tue, 19 Nov 2019 22:13:56 -070056:45falsefull143431An Afro-Latina Conversation on RaceWith social media buzzing about Gina Rodriguez, Cardi B, and what it means to be Black, African American and Latina this episode of Everyday Conversation on Race is timely.

  If you're interested in the topic, have an opinion or want to know more, you'll love this conversation on race with Cessie and Mercedes.

  Cessie Alfonso and Mercedes Martin join me to talk about cultural intersectionality and their own Afro-Latina identities. Spanning generations, geography and sexual orientation, they find that diversity, equity and inclusion are more relevant than ever today as more people identify become aware of their own intersections beyond race and ethnicity.

  Topics in this episode include:

  • What it means to be Afro-Latina in the United States and accept their own cultural intersectionality
  • Afro-Latina identity is complicated and often misunderstood
  • Experiences of feeling not being accepted by either culture because it's impossible to only "choose one" identity
  • Response to racism and rejection
  • Addressing the claims that someone can't be Black if they speak Spanish
  • Why they can't separate and only claim one culture since they are mixtures of all of their cultures
  • More Afro-Latinas, Afro-LatinX are speaking out about their experiences
  • Cessie's response when people question whether she is Black or Latina, and why she's speaking Spanish
  • How African slaves were brought to the Caribbean Islands even before slavery in the United States
  • The difference between race and ethnicity
  • Why conversations on race are important and how they are different today than in the 1950's and 1960's
  • Growing up in New York vs in the California suburbs as Afro-Latinas
  • The browning of America in US culture and how that will be reflected as more than Black and White but the multitude of identifications
  • How we create space for the multiplicity of backgrounds in our population now and in the future
  • Stereotypes and assumptions about Afro-Latina and Afro-LatinX
  • How to learn more and engage in conversations on race and ethnicity
  
  

  Bios:

  Mercedes Martin is a Cultural Accessory Designer, Entrepreneur, and Educator. She runs a successful African-Diaspora inspired brand called Tres Mercedes- designing embellished sunglasses, hats with African Fabrics, Ancestor candles, and statement piece earrings & rings. She self- identifies as a natural curl hair spiritual Black Woman, but if she gotta be more specific about ethnicity: Black and Afro-Cuban American. Born in California and raised in Oakland.

  Part of the Millennial generation she has had her own small business, Tres Mercedes since 2010.

  link: www.tresmercedes.com

  Instagram: @TresMercedes

  Cecilia "Cessie" Alfonso, MSW, ACSW, LCSW, is a nationally recognized expert in forensic social work, domestic violence and organizational development in the area of cultural competence and valuing diversity. She is the founder and president of Alfonso Consultants, Inc. For the past 20 years, Alfonso Consultants, Inc. has provided social work and psychosocial assessments to the clients of civil and criminal attorneys throughout the United States, as well as internationally. As a mitigation specialist, she and her associates have conducted over 700 mitigation investigations since she began providing services.

  Ms. Alfonso is a bilingual (Spanish speaking), bicultural (Afro-Puerto Rican-Cuban) social worker who has trained attorneys and professionals to appreciate and integrate into their practices and organizations the ethnic diversity and cultural aspects of their clients' lives. She is also a nationally recognized domestic violence/battered woman's expert who has appeared on national television and British Broadcasting Company (BBC) radio and is one of the few African Americans qualified as an expert in domestic violence in the State of New Jersey. She has conducted training in domestic violence to professionals in the criminal justice system.

  Ms. Alfonso has received the National Legal Aid and Defenders Association's (NLADA) Life in the Balance Achievement Award for her pioneering work as a forensic social worker/mitigation specialist. In 2008 she was recognized by Governor Jon S. Corzine of New Jersey as a leading mitigation specialist who significantly contributed to the ultimate abolition of the Death Penalty in the State of New Jersey.

  In 1987, Ms. Alfonso, along with her associate, Kathryn Bauer, wrote one of the first articles ever written that details how the social worker skill set can assist criminal attorneys in preparing and presenting the life history of their defendants facing the death penalty. Ms. Alfonso has been qualified as an expert social worker and has testified in the penalty phase of capital cases in states such as Florida, Maryland, Pennsylvania and Kentucky. Her expertise has contributed to criminal defense attorneys obtaining life sentences for their clients.

  Ms. Alfonso's ability to educate attorneys on how to engage and defend individuals who are different from themselves in terms of race, class, gender and/or sexual orientation has enabled attorneys to communicate to the jurors why they should give their clients life as opposed to death.

  Cecilia " Cessie" Alfonso has received the following awards:

  Recognition Award, First President of National Association of Sentencing Advocates and Mitigation Specialists (NASAMS), NASAMS 20th Anniversary Conference, March 2013

  Life in the Balance Achievement Award - National Legal Aid and Defenders Association, March 2008

  Recognition Award, presented by Governor Corzine of New Jersey - Leading mitigation specialist who significantly contributed to the ultimate abolition of the Death Penalty in the State of New Jersey, 2008

  Mim George Award - National Association of Sentencing Advocates (founding member 1995), 2005

  Outstanding Faculty Member in the Defender Institute Basic Trial Skills Program - New York State Defenders Association, June 2000

  Contact info: cessiealf@aol.com

  (518) 928-8199

  ]]>With social media buzzing about Gina Rodriguez, Cardi B, and what it means to be Black, African American and Latina this episode of Everyday Conversation on Race is timely.

  If you're interested in the topic, have an opinion or want to know more, you'll love this conversation on race with Cessie and Mercedes.

  Cessie Alfonso and Mercedes Martin join me to talk about cultural intersectionality and their own Afro-Latina identities. Spanning generations, geography and sexual orientation, they find that diversity, equity and inclusion are more relevant than ever today as more people identify become aware of their own intersections beyond race and ethnicity.

  Topics in this episode include:

  • What it means to be Afro-Latina in the United States and accept their own cultural intersectionality
  • Afro-Latina identity is complicated and often misunderstood
  • Experiences of feeling not being accepted by either culture because it's impossible to only "choose one" identity
  • Response to racism and rejection
  • Addressing the claims that someone can't be Black if they speak Spanish
  • Why they can't separate and only claim one culture since they are mixtures of all of their cultures
  • More Afro-Latinas, Afro-LatinX are speaking out about their experiences
  • Cessie's response when people question whether she is Black or Latina, and why she's speaking Spanish
  • How African slaves were brought to the Caribbean Islands even before slavery in the United States
  • The difference between race and ethnicity
  • Why conversations on race are important and how they are different today than in the 1950's and 1960's
  • Growing up in New York vs in the California suburbs as Afro-Latinas
  • The browning of America in US culture and how that will be reflected as more than Black and White but the multitude of identifications
  • How we create space for the multiplicity of backgrounds in our population now and in the future
  • Stereotypes and assumptions about Afro-Latina and Afro-LatinX
  • How to learn more and engage in conversations on race and ethnicity
  
  

  Bios:

  Mercedes Martin is a Cultural Accessory Designer, Entrepreneur, and Educator. She runs a successful African-Diaspora inspired brand called Tres Mercedes- designing embellished sunglasses, hats with African Fabrics, Ancestor candles, and statement piece earrings & rings. She self- identifies as a natural curl hair spiritual Black Woman, but if she gotta be more specific about ethnicity: Black and Afro-Cuban American. Born in California and raised in Oakland.

  Part of the Millennial generation she has had her own small business, Tres Mercedes since 2010.

  link: www.tresmercedes.com

  Instagram: @TresMercedes

  Cecilia "Cessie" Alfonso, MSW, ACSW, LCSW, is a nationally recognized expert in forensic social work, domestic violence and organizational development in the area of cultural competence and valuing diversity. She is the founder and president of Alfonso Consultants, Inc. For the past 20 years, Alfonso Consultants, Inc. has provided social work and psychosocial assessments to the clients of civil and criminal attorneys throughout the United States, as well as internationally. As a mitigation specialist, she and her associates have conducted over 700 mitigation investigations since she began providing services.

  Ms. Alfonso is a bilingual (Spanish speaking), bicultural (Afro-Puerto Rican-Cuban) social worker who has trained attorneys and professionals to appreciate and integrate into their practices and organizations the ethnic diversity and cultural aspects of their clients' lives. She is also a nationally recognized domestic violence/battered woman's expert who has appeared on national television and British Broadcasting Company (BBC) radio and is one of the few African Americans qualified as an expert in domestic violence in the State of New Jersey. She has conducted training in domestic violence to professionals in the criminal justice system.

  Ms. Alfonso has received the National Legal Aid and Defenders Association's (NLADA) Life in the Balance Achievement Award for her pioneering work as a forensic social worker/mitigation specialist. In 2008 she was recognized by Governor Jon S. Corzine of New Jersey as a leading mitigation specialist who significantly contributed to the ultimate abolition of the Death Penalty in the State of New Jersey.

  In 1987, Ms. Alfonso, along with her associate, Kathryn Bauer, wrote one of the first articles ever written that details how the social worker skill set can assist criminal attorneys in preparing and presenting the life history of their defendants facing the death penalty. Ms. Alfonso has been qualified as an expert social worker and has testified in the penalty phase of capital cases in states such as Florida, Maryland, Pennsylvania and Kentucky. Her expertise has contributed to criminal defense attorneys obtaining life sentences for their clients.

  Ms. Alfonso's ability to educate attorneys on how to engage and defend individuals who are different from themselves in terms of race, class, gender and/or sexual orientation has enabled attorneys to communicate to the jurors why they should give their clients life as opposed to death.

  Cecilia " Cessie" Alfonso has received the following awards:

  Recognition Award, First President of National Association of Sentencing Advocates and Mitigation Specialists (NASAMS), NASAMS 20th Anniversary Conference, March 2013

  Life in the Balance Achievement Award - National Legal Aid and Defenders Association, March 2008

  Recognition Award, presented by Governor Corzine of New Jersey - Leading mitigation specialist who significantly contributed to the ultimate abolition of the Death Penalty in the State of New Jersey, 2008

  Mim George Award - National Association of Sentencing Advocates (founding member 1995), 2005

  Outstanding Faculty Member in the Defender Institute Basic Trial Skills Program - New York State Defenders Association, June 2000

  Contact info: cessiealf@aol.com

  (518) 928-8199

  ]]>640bb11305e94885b62d02a97662e50bSun, 03 Nov 2019 18:33:04 -070043:35falsefull4242Does Culture Fit Hiring Promote Racism?This week on Everyday Conversations on Race, Simma is joined by Barbara Williams Hardy, former head of Global Diversity, Inclusion and Belonging for a large tech firm, and LeRon Barton a well respected journalist and speaker on the experiences of being a Black man in America. The main theme is Culture Fit Hiring and it's impact on diversity, equity and inclusion.

  They offer their perspectives and answer the questions:

  • Does hiring for "culture fit" promote racism and discrimination?
  • Is it only the responsibility of white people to promote diversity, equity and inclusion?
  • What is the role of Black people and other people of color in culture change and inclusion?
  
  

  Topics covered include:

  • Culture Fit hiring- friend or foe of diversity, equity and inclusion
  • How we're all capable or making wrong assumptions
  • Breaking up status-quo hiring and with inclusion
  • Where to find Black computer engineers
  • Asking the right questions to determine whether a statement has racist intent or meaning, and opportunities to educate
  • What recruiters and leaders need to do ensure inclusive hiring, making people feel welcome across difference and supporting their success
  • LeRon, Barb and Simma share songs that represent thoughts about race, racism and bringing people together
  
  

  Barb Williams Hardy and LeRon Barton

  Barbara Williams Hardy is a visionary, innovator, connector, catalyst for change and global citizen of the world. She is an award-winning thought leader with a global mindset and is known as a "Go To" leader who develops high-level relationship alliances that foster inclusion, belonging, collaboration and commitment to align diversity strategies with business objectives to accelerate employee engagement, experience, innovation and organizational success.

  Barb grows leaders. She is the former Global Head of Global Diversity, Inclusion and Belonging at NetApp, Leadership speaker and the creator of the Barb List, Principles for Achieving Success and Living an Amazing Life.

  Barb's mission is to unlock the untapped brilliance in all of us.

  -------

  LeRon L. Barton is a writer from Kansas City, Mo that currently resides in San Francisco, Ca. He has been writing poetry, screenplays, and short stories since he was way young. LeRon's essays have appeared in Salon, The Good Men Project, Eastbay Express, Those People, AlterNet, SF Bay view, Buzzfeed, Gorilla Convict, and Elephant Journal. His first book, "Straight Dope: A 360 degree look into American drug culture" was released in Feb 2013. LeRon's new book, "All We Really Need Is Love

  ]]>This week on Everyday Conversations on Race, Simma is joined by Barbara Williams Hardy, former head of Global Diversity, Inclusion and Belonging for a large tech firm, and LeRon Barton a well respected journalist and speaker on the experiences of being a Black man in America. The main theme is Culture Fit Hiring and it's impact on diversity, equity and inclusion.

  They offer their perspectives and answer the questions:

  • Does hiring for "culture fit" promote racism and discrimination?
  • Is it only the responsibility of white people to promote diversity, equity and inclusion?
  • What is the role of Black people and other people of color in culture change and inclusion?
  
  

  Topics covered include:

  • Culture Fit hiring- friend or foe of diversity, equity and inclusion
  • How we're all capable or making wrong assumptions
  • Breaking up status-quo hiring and with inclusion
  • Where to find Black computer engineers
  • Asking the right questions to determine whether a statement has racist intent or meaning, and opportunities to educate
  • What recruiters and leaders need to do ensure inclusive hiring, making people feel welcome across difference and supporting their success
  • LeRon, Barb and Simma share songs that represent thoughts about race, racism and bringing people together
  
  

  Barb Williams Hardy and LeRon Barton

  Barbara Williams Hardy is a visionary, innovator, connector, catalyst for change and global citizen of the world. She is an award-winning thought leader with a global mindset and is known as a "Go To" leader who develops high-level relationship alliances that foster inclusion, belonging, collaboration and commitment to align diversity strategies with business objectives to accelerate employee engagement, experience, innovation and organizational success.

  Barb grows leaders. She is the former Global Head of Global Diversity, Inclusion and Belonging at NetApp, Leadership speaker and the creator of the Barb List, Principles for Achieving Success and Living an Amazing Life.

  Barb's mission is to unlock the untapped brilliance in all of us.

  -------

  LeRon L. Barton is a writer from Kansas City, Mo that currently resides in San Francisco, Ca. He has been writing poetry, screenplays, and short stories since he was way young. LeRon's essays have appeared in Salon, The Good Men Project, Eastbay Express, Those People, AlterNet, SF Bay view, Buzzfeed, Gorilla Convict, and Elephant Journal. His first book, "Straight Dope: A 360 degree look into American drug culture" was released in Feb 2013. LeRon's new book, "All We Really Need Is Love

  ]]>e33d5d2dea17402d805513c9baffe500Fri, 18 Oct 2019 14:07:29 -070001:01:48falsefullHow Black and Brown Communities Are Destroyed By the System of Mass IncarcerationVincent Garrett joins Simma on Everyday Conversations on Race to talk about race, mass incarceration and creating a "prison to school pipeline."

  A former addict and incarcerated felon, Vince has been clean from drugs for over twenty years. He shares his experience of being released from prison, finding a mentor, getting his BA from UC Berkeley and being part of Underground Scholars, a program for the formerly incarcerated.

  We talk about race, racism and mass incarceration and the unequal way Black and Brown people and White people are sentenced for the same crimes.

  Vincent and his whole family were caught up in the crack epidemic in Oakland. He saw people around him being arrested and sent to prison for a few rocks of crack, while white people and upper income people in the Oakland Hills using powdered cocaine were ignored by law enforcement.

  He is now working towards a master's degree and is the program outreach and retention specialist for Restoring Our Communities (ROC), at Laney College.

  Vincent and ROC are working to advance the "Prison to School Pipeline," to ensure that formerly incarcerated people get what they need excel in college and in life.

  Additional topics are:

  • Racial disparities and inequality in our society today
  • Images of Black and other people of color in the media and how that contributes to mass incarceration
  • Internalizing racism from outside messages
  • Repairing the damage of mass incarceration and race
  
  ]]>Vincent Garrett joins Simma on Everyday Conversations on Race to talk about race, mass incarceration and creating a "prison to school pipeline."

  A former addict and incarcerated felon, Vince has been clean from drugs for over twenty years. He shares his experience of being released from prison, finding a mentor, getting his BA from UC Berkeley and being part of Underground Scholars, a program for the formerly incarcerated.

  We talk about race, racism and mass incarceration and the unequal way Black and Brown people and White people are sentenced for the same crimes.

  Vincent and his whole family were caught up in the crack epidemic in Oakland. He saw people around him being arrested and sent to prison for a few rocks of crack, while white people and upper income people in the Oakland Hills using powdered cocaine were ignored by law enforcement.

  He is now working towards a master's degree and is the program outreach and retention specialist for Restoring Our Communities (ROC), at Laney College.

  Vincent and ROC are working to advance the "Prison to School Pipeline," to ensure that formerly incarcerated people get what they need excel in college and in life.

  Additional topics are:

  • Racial disparities and inequality in our society today
  • Images of Black and other people of color in the media and how that contributes to mass incarceration
  • Internalizing racism from outside messages
  • Repairing the damage of mass incarceration and race
  
  ]]>9cc284b7703043a2b26fbe4cb3dee6f8Fri, 11 Oct 2019 13:43:47 -070001:04:21falsefull140401How a Young Mexican-American Man Navigated the Start-up WorldZachariah Moreno

  Co-Founder & CEO of SquadCast

  Zachariah Moreno is a technologist, author, and co-founder of SquadCast. He and his team are on a mission to amplify collaboration, seeking to empower creatives to engage in meaningful conversations without barriers.

  • Website
  • Facebook
  • Twitter
  • Instagram
  • LinkedIn
  
  ]]>Zachariah Moreno

  Co-Founder & CEO of SquadCast

  Zachariah Moreno is a technologist, author, and co-founder of SquadCast. He and his team are on a mission to amplify collaboration, seeking to empower creatives to engage in meaningful conversations without barriers.

  • Website
  • Facebook
  • Twitter
  • Instagram
  • LinkedIn
  
  ]]>1f00ff5651b345a4b5e000d1765f6e68Sat, 28 Sep 2019 13:56:29 -070001:02:20falsefull139391Not All Privilege is the SameAll privilege is not the same, nor does all privilege provide equitable access to luxury. There is the economic privilege that comes from having financial resources, wealth and position, and then there is the privilege that comes from being white in America. Racism can negate every other privilege when you're a person of color in the US. It doesn't matter how much money you have, what you own or how many employees work for you.

  Luis Martin, a brown-skinned Mexican American man and his Dominican husband have enjoyed a lifestyle of economic privilege that few can afford. Luis is a well-known artist in New York whose work has been displayed in galleries across the world.

  However, when you're a person of color, economic privilege has its limits to where you can go. When you're out in the world, you can still be targeted for your race and experience the inhumanity and hate of racism.

  When Luis and his husband bought first-class airline tickets on Delta airlines, they assumed they could access all the benefits that came with those first-class tickets. However, when they tried to enter the first-class lounge like every other first-class passenger, they were barred from entering, and told that people going to Mexico were not allowed.

  In this episode, Luis Martin shares his experiences as an artist, a brown skinned Mexican-American and the role that art and culture plays in building consciousness around conversations on race, racism, and justice and equality for everyone

  ---

  Luis Martin is an artist working in Brooklyn, New York. Raised in Los Angeles California, Martin moved to NYC as a teenager. He received a Bachelors in Fine Art from The Fashion Institute of Technology . He has shown nationally and internationally in solo shows and group shows in Europe and Latin America. As a Curator he founded and directed Parenthesis Art Space in Bushwick Brooklyn. Martin has worked with over 100 artists and curating shows that traveled to the Zhou B art center in Chicago and to Miami during Art Basel. Martin has collaborated with brands like Wix, Mont Gay Rum, and Braven, to create art centric programing. Martin has worked as an educator with museum in LA and NY like MOCA, LACMA, El Museo del Barrio and MoMA. In 2018 he was named a rising star of the Other Art Fair by Brooklyn Magazine.]]>All privilege is not the same, nor does all privilege provide equitable access to luxury. There is the economic privilege that comes from having financial resources, wealth and position, and then there is the privilege that comes from being white in America. Racism can negate every other privilege when you're a person of color in the US. It doesn't matter how much money you have, what you own or how many employees work for you.

  Luis Martin, a brown-skinned Mexican American man and his Dominican husband have enjoyed a lifestyle of economic privilege that few can afford. Luis is a well-known artist in New York whose work has been displayed in galleries across the world.

  However, when you're a person of color, economic privilege has its limits to where you can go. When you're out in the world, you can still be targeted for your race and experience the inhumanity and hate of racism.

  When Luis and his husband bought first-class airline tickets on Delta airlines, they assumed they could access all the benefits that came with those first-class tickets. However, when they tried to enter the first-class lounge like every other first-class passenger, they were barred from entering, and told that people going to Mexico were not allowed.

  In this episode, Luis Martin shares his experiences as an artist, a brown skinned Mexican-American and the role that art and culture plays in building consciousness around conversations on race, racism, and justice and equality for everyone

  ---

  Luis Martin is an artist working in Brooklyn, New York. Raised in Los Angeles California, Martin moved to NYC as a teenager. He received a Bachelors in Fine Art from The Fashion Institute of Technology . He has shown nationally and internationally in solo shows and group shows in Europe and Latin America. As a Curator he founded and directed Parenthesis Art Space in Bushwick Brooklyn. Martin has worked with over 100 artists and curating shows that traveled to the Zhou B art center in Chicago and to Miami during Art Basel. Martin has collaborated with brands like Wix, Mont Gay Rum, and Braven, to create art centric programing. Martin has worked as an educator with museum in LA and NY like MOCA, LACMA, El Museo del Barrio and MoMA. In 2018 he was named a rising star of the Other Art Fair by Brooklyn Magazine.]]>355462b1ea974cf8937b8beeae4aeb5dWed, 18 Sep 2019 02:37:46 -070055:38falsefull138381Being the only one in the room : Laura Cathcart Robbinshttps://theonlyonepod.com]]>https://theonlyonepod.com]]>8e01ecc11d43475685769cba2ae199ccWed, 04 Sep 2019 15:37:18 -070056:20falsefull137371Millennials: Racist. Color Blind or Woke?Are Millennials less racist than other generations?

  What do people from Africa have in common with African-Americans?

  What generation is most in denial about racism?

  What's it like to be the only Black person in your class?

  These questions and more are answered on Every Day Conversations on Race. My guests are Mary-Lou Milabu, a millennial black Christian woman, whose family is from Congo, and Sara Bierman a millennial white Jewish woman from California who is also a lesbian. Both women share their experience and views on race, racism and perspectives on white privilege.

  Mary-Lou shares what it was like to be one of the few Black people in her school and constantly being asked to be the spokesperson for African-Americans. While learning about Black history, a white teacher kept asking her about her family's history going back to slavery. When Mary-Lou said that was not her family's history since she was second generation Congolese the teacher kept insisting. She had to school the teacher.

  Sara shares what it was like for her growing up on a street where she was the only white kid and learning about racism towards people of color. She shares stories of talking to other white people about race and racism.

  This exciting conversation on race with two millennial women, one white and one black will open your eyes to stereotypes, white privilege and racism.

  ]]>Are Millennials less racist than other generations?

  What do people from Africa have in common with African-Americans?

  What generation is most in denial about racism?

  What's it like to be the only Black person in your class?

  These questions and more are answered on Every Day Conversations on Race. My guests are Mary-Lou Milabu, a millennial black Christian woman, whose family is from Congo, and Sara Bierman a millennial white Jewish woman from California who is also a lesbian. Both women share their experience and views on race, racism and perspectives on white privilege.

  Mary-Lou shares what it was like to be one of the few Black people in her school and constantly being asked to be the spokesperson for African-Americans. While learning about Black history, a white teacher kept asking her about her family's history going back to slavery. When Mary-Lou said that was not her family's history since she was second generation Congolese the teacher kept insisting. She had to school the teacher.

  Sara shares what it was like for her growing up on a street where she was the only white kid and learning about racism towards people of color. She shares stories of talking to other white people about race and racism.

  This exciting conversation on race with two millennial women, one white and one black will open your eyes to stereotypes, white privilege and racism.

  ]]>1724453fba0f4e0fba8530cf5bb25e32Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:27:15 -070047:21falsefullHow Living the Principles of Kwanzaa Fights RacismPhyliss Williams co-host of Living the Principles podcast joins Simma to talk about the importance of the principles of Kwanzaa, and how her time in the Marines impacts the good work she does today.

  Phyliss shares stories and experiences as an African American woman growing up in the south dealing with racism, and what it's like to see the racism today across the USA

  We talk about the importance of involving family and friends in the race conversation, and having an impact on them.

  Topics covered:

  • Why it's essential that people vote
  • Selfish reasons why people don't vote and not voting is a vote against equal rights
  • Tactics used today to repress voting particularly in Black neighborhoods
  • Parallels between the past and the present in preventing people from voting
  • During her time attending a Christian College, she experienced racist dog whistles from other students and racism goes against all the principles of Christianity
  • How the Trump administration continues to dehumanize Black people and other people of color, Jewish people, LGBT People and immigrants
  
  

  What we can do to have the conversation about race, eliminate hate and fear of differences and spread love

  • Be mindful of our energy, share resources and support each other
  • Remember that the holocaust happened because "nice" people said nothing
  • Speak out against gerrymandering which will impact the results of our voting
  • Speak up when people are told "go back to your country"
  • Listen to the stories of Black people and their experiences with racism, police brutality
  • Check assumptions and generalizations
  • Think about how different forms of privilege or automatic advantages impact us
  • Dismantle stereotypes
  
  ]]>Phyliss Williams co-host of Living the Principles podcast joins Simma to talk about the importance of the principles of Kwanzaa, and how her time in the Marines impacts the good work she does today.

  Phyliss shares stories and experiences as an African American woman growing up in the south dealing with racism, and what it's like to see the racism today across the USA

  We talk about the importance of involving family and friends in the race conversation, and having an impact on them.

  Topics covered:

  • Why it's essential that people vote
  • Selfish reasons why people don't vote and not voting is a vote against equal rights
  • Tactics used today to repress voting particularly in Black neighborhoods
  • Parallels between the past and the present in preventing people from voting
  • During her time attending a Christian College, she experienced racist dog whistles from other students and racism goes against all the principles of Christianity
  • How the Trump administration continues to dehumanize Black people and other people of color, Jewish people, LGBT People and immigrants
  
  

  What we can do to have the conversation about race, eliminate hate and fear of differences and spread love

  • Be mindful of our energy, share resources and support each other
  • Remember that the holocaust happened because "nice" people said nothing
  • Speak out against gerrymandering which will impact the results of our voting
  • Speak up when people are told "go back to your country"
  • Listen to the stories of Black people and their experiences with racism, police brutality
  • Check assumptions and generalizations
  • Think about how different forms of privilege or automatic advantages impact us
  • Dismantle stereotypes
  
  ]]>ef8c1f79156648979515281de8817831Thu, 25 Jul 2019 15:39:02 -070001:02:50falsefullWhy Talking to White People About Race is DrainingIn this conversation on race, LeRon talks to Simma about why it's often draining for him to talk to a lot of white people about race. Simma and LeRon agree that allies are important and that it's more effective for a white person to talk to another white person about race and racism in order to educate them, and raise their level of understanding.

  LeRon and Simma both believe that you have to go where people are at and not assume they know more than they do. However people need to be called on racist, homophobic, etc. statements. Being an ally and intervening can mean losing friends and even family members who want to hold on to hate. LeRon says he won't sit with certain family members who insist on making homophobic remarks.

  It's usually more effective for someone to hear about race issues, racism and bias from someone who is more like them in some way. That's true for LGBTQ and homophobia. A straight person will be less defensive and more open to listen to another straight person.

  Other topics are the challenges of talking about race and racism, race and d vegetarianism and whether Chicago pizza is better than New York pizza.

  ]]>In this conversation on race, LeRon talks to Simma about why it's often draining for him to talk to a lot of white people about race. Simma and LeRon agree that allies are important and that it's more effective for a white person to talk to another white person about race and racism in order to educate them, and raise their level of understanding.

  LeRon and Simma both believe that you have to go where people are at and not assume they know more than they do. However people need to be called on racist, homophobic, etc. statements. Being an ally and intervening can mean losing friends and even family members who want to hold on to hate. LeRon says he won't sit with certain family members who insist on making homophobic remarks.

  It's usually more effective for someone to hear about race issues, racism and bias from someone who is more like them in some way. That's true for LGBTQ and homophobia. A straight person will be less defensive and more open to listen to another straight person.

  Other topics are the challenges of talking about race and racism, race and d vegetarianism and whether Chicago pizza is better than New York pizza.

  ]]>33ab1b00a9714466ad239f268c8a1ab2Sat, 08 Jun 2019 16:03:31 -070055:53falsefull134341What is behind the cancel-culture movement?

  Joel Brown talks about the need to allow people to grow, and the problems that arise when they are not given a chance to change. Racism doesn't get eliminated by attacking people who want to stop racism but may say the wrong thing. That's different than someone who is a racist, supports racism and takes actions to perpetuate racism.

  Everyone is going to make mistakes. What is the point of having conversations if we can't do that? Joel says it's making him tired. While some of these issues are valid, they don't call for canceling people out. We need to be savvier.

  When do we allow benevolence to be a good thing? When the billionaire keynote speaker at Morehouse said he would pay off everyone's school loans, someone asked on social media "why didn't they do that for Spelman?"

  People are angry, not being heard, and want to be heard. Other people are cosigning because they don't want the other person to be in pain.

  There is a hypersensitivity to issues that have not been addressed. At the same time, there needs to be room for conversation.

  The USA has not dealt with its history of racism and slavery. We need to figure it out, or nothing will change. By calling out every single thing someone says, and putting so much energy in shutting people down, we end up not dealing with systemic racism.

  It's easier to deflect from our own issues by making someone else "the enemy" when they are on our side. If we want to eliminate racism, we need more dialogue, conversation and education.

  Conversations on race can only happen when people are open to listening, learning and talking.

  If we want change, we have to look at manifestations of racism. Ex. At a high school white kids had "thug day," and dressed up as their stereotype of Black rappers. The white woman who exposed it was getting death threats. More attention needs to be on those issues and why this is going on.

  Different issues need to have different consequences. We need to address how egregious is it? What were the intentions? How willing is the person to listen, learn and change?

  Joel also says that it's essential for people of color to learn about each other, that Black people need to learn about Asian people, Asian people need to learn about LatinX people, etc. Just because people consider themselves a person of color doesn't mean they understand or have any contact with people from other groups and may have biases about other groups.

  There is too much conversation and too many people saying that Democratic candidates for president are not "gay enough" "Black enough" or made a comment 20 years ago. If we want to defeat Trump, we will need to get behind whoever is running. Change and progress don't happen under repression. Racism, loss of rights, gender inequality only gets worse. Hate crimes go up.

  People can create change under a liberal government. It's up to the people to take power together. Even under Obama, changes like gay marriage happened as a result of people putting pressure.

  Increase in tribalism makes it easier for people to be co-opted, particularly white people who are alienated, many of whom are being targeted and recruited by white supremacists.

  Solutions

  Look at ourselves

  What part do we play, what do we need to change about ourselves?

  How do I heal myself?

  Hold politicians accountable, even those that look like us

  Everyone needs to vote- think of the most vulnerable

  Have the conversation

  Have more conversations on race, real conversations beyond social media

  We need to be in the same spaces and think about things differently

  See the "other side." We need to listen and hear the basis for other people's thinking

  People who are privileged have to look at what part they play and look at imbalance

  We all have privilege and power in some level and need to share

  Recognize when someone is making a good faith effort and be patient and educate

  This is different than someone who is an active racist?

  ]]>

  Joel Brown talks about the need to allow people to grow, and the problems that arise when they are not given a chance to change. Racism doesn't get eliminated by attacking people who want to stop racism but may say the wrong thing. That's different than someone who is a racist, supports racism and takes actions to perpetuate racism.

  Everyone is going to make mistakes. What is the point of having conversations if we can't do that? Joel says it's making him tired. While some of these issues are valid, they don't call for canceling people out. We need to be savvier.

  When do we allow benevolence to be a good thing? When the billionaire keynote speaker at Morehouse said he would pay off everyone's school loans, someone asked on social media "why didn't they do that for Spelman?"

  People are angry, not being heard, and want to be heard. Other people are cosigning because they don't want the other person to be in pain.

  There is a hypersensitivity to issues that have not been addressed. At the same time, there needs to be room for conversation.

  The USA has not dealt with its history of racism and slavery. We need to figure it out, or nothing will change. By calling out every single thing someone says, and putting so much energy in shutting people down, we end up not dealing with systemic racism.

  It's easier to deflect from our own issues by making someone else "the enemy" when they are on our side. If we want to eliminate racism, we need more dialogue, conversation and education.

  Conversations on race can only happen when people are open to listening, learning and talking.

  If we want change, we have to look at manifestations of racism. Ex. At a high school white kids had "thug day," and dressed up as their stereotype of Black rappers. The white woman who exposed it was getting death threats. More attention needs to be on those issues and why this is going on.

  Different issues need to have different consequences. We need to address how egregious is it? What were the intentions? How willing is the person to listen, learn and change?

  Joel also says that it's essential for people of color to learn about each other, that Black people need to learn about Asian people, Asian people need to learn about LatinX people, etc. Just because people consider themselves a person of color doesn't mean they understand or have any contact with people from other groups and may have biases about other groups.

  There is too much conversation and too many people saying that Democratic candidates for president are not "gay enough" "Black enough" or made a comment 20 years ago. If we want to defeat Trump, we will need to get behind whoever is running. Change and progress don't happen under repression. Racism, loss of rights, gender inequality only gets worse. Hate crimes go up.

  People can create change under a liberal government. It's up to the people to take power together. Even under Obama, changes like gay marriage happened as a result of people putting pressure.

  Increase in tribalism makes it easier for people to be co-opted, particularly white people who are alienated, many of whom are being targeted and recruited by white supremacists.

  Solutions

  Look at ourselves

  What part do we play, what do we need to change about ourselves?

  How do I heal myself?

  Hold politicians accountable, even those that look like us

  Everyone needs to vote- think of the most vulnerable

  Have the conversation

  Have more conversations on race, real conversations beyond social media

  We need to be in the same spaces and think about things differently

  See the "other side." We need to listen and hear the basis for other people's thinking

  People who are privileged have to look at what part they play and look at imbalance

  We all have privilege and power in some level and need to share

  Recognize when someone is making a good faith effort and be patient and educate

  This is different than someone who is an active racist?

  ]]>58c554fe578549e38b922fcbcc50dfccThu, 30 May 2019 14:16:32 -070055:12falsefull133331Former Black Panther discusses current political climateElmer Dixon was born in Chicago and moved to Seattle at age 7 when his father took a job at Boeing. Dixon grew up in Seattle's Central District, attending Garfield High School. While at Garfield High, Dixon helped organize the school's Black Student Union in 1968. That same year, with his older brother Aaron Dixon, he co-founded the Seattle Chapter of the Black Panther Party. He served the Chapter as its Field Marshall as well as the Breakfast Program Coordinator. When the Seattle Chapter closed its office and some of its core members moved to Oakland in 1972, Elmer, under parole and unable to move to Oakland, stayed in Seattle and reorganized the Chapter. He worked to sustain the Party's breakfast program and health clinic, maintaining the Panther organization until 1976 and some programs into the 1980s. Elmer Dixon now works as a diversity consultant.
  ]]>Elmer Dixon was born in Chicago and moved to Seattle at age 7 when his father took a job at Boeing. Dixon grew up in Seattle's Central District, attending Garfield High School. While at Garfield High, Dixon helped organize the school's Black Student Union in 1968. That same year, with his older brother Aaron Dixon, he co-founded the Seattle Chapter of the Black Panther Party. He served the Chapter as its Field Marshall as well as the Breakfast Program Coordinator. When the Seattle Chapter closed its office and some of its core members moved to Oakland in 1972, Elmer, under parole and unable to move to Oakland, stayed in Seattle and reorganized the Chapter. He worked to sustain the Party's breakfast program and health clinic, maintaining the Panther organization until 1976 and some programs into the 1980s. Elmer Dixon now works as a diversity consultant.
  ]]>2e18fa3ef7dc473c96ce6770cf7f697aThu, 16 May 2019 14:37:31 -070034:06falsefull132321Can a person of color exclude race and culture from their art?
  ]]>
  ]]>e1314d4845134dc68d80d39d53159f02Thu, 09 May 2019 21:04:59 -070051:37falsefull131311Cross-Race Friendships; Can They Work?Originally from Washington, DC, humanitarian, healer, artist and author/illustrator, Wanda K. Whitaker, believes that "the best relationship of all is the one you have with yourself." A certified hypnotherapist, visionary artist and Spiritual Life Coach, she currently spends her time working with individuals and groups on changing beliefs and bad habits that are not serving them, conducting workshops on self-awareness, personal growth and development, creating art that educates and advocates and helping to guide others to lead a more holistic lifestyle with spiritual practices.

  Her life spans years of community service beginning when she was in her early 20's in Washington, DC when she co-founded, Inner City Inner Beauty Productions to build self-esteem amongst at-risk youth to serving and volunteering with various nonprofit organizations. She was President of Whitaker & Associates, an events marketing and cause-related consultancy business she started in 1991 and Vice-President of the Board of Directors of Global Exchange, an international human rights organization. Today, she serves on the board of directors of the Create Peace Project.

  She believes her life purpose is to promote brotherhood and awaken people to their higher selves and greatest potential.

  ]]>Originally from Washington, DC, humanitarian, healer, artist and author/illustrator, Wanda K. Whitaker, believes that "the best relationship of all is the one you have with yourself." A certified hypnotherapist, visionary artist and Spiritual Life Coach, she currently spends her time working with individuals and groups on changing beliefs and bad habits that are not serving them, conducting workshops on self-awareness, personal growth and development, creating art that educates and advocates and helping to guide others to lead a more holistic lifestyle with spiritual practices.

  Her life spans years of community service beginning when she was in her early 20's in Washington, DC when she co-founded, Inner City Inner Beauty Productions to build self-esteem amongst at-risk youth to serving and volunteering with various nonprofit organizations. She was President of Whitaker & Associates, an events marketing and cause-related consultancy business she started in 1991 and Vice-President of the Board of Directors of Global Exchange, an international human rights organization. Today, she serves on the board of directors of the Create Peace Project.

  She believes her life purpose is to promote brotherhood and awaken people to their higher selves and greatest potential.

  ]]>55fc082d464048be9efdf1f60d088570Wed, 24 Apr 2019 19:52:17 -070041:11falsefull130301White City Welcomes People of ColorKaren Nelson shares journey as a young Black girl growing up in the segregated south to become the Chief Diversity Officer of Appleton, Wisconsin.

  She had to overcome the sabotage of her career success early on by a white boss who refused to listen to her ideas because she was a Black woman. Karen went on to become an activist for civil rights and met the white mayor of Appleton who is a strong believer in diversity, inclusion and eliminating racism.

  A predominantly white city, of only 13% people of color, Karen and the mayor have created an environment in Appleton where people across all differences, especially immigrants are welcomed and encouraged to succeed.

  This Every Day Conversation on Race demonstrates how just a few people can make a big difference in road to diversity, equity and inclusion in whole community.

  ]]>Karen Nelson shares journey as a young Black girl growing up in the segregated south to become the Chief Diversity Officer of Appleton, Wisconsin.

  She had to overcome the sabotage of her career success early on by a white boss who refused to listen to her ideas because she was a Black woman. Karen went on to become an activist for civil rights and met the white mayor of Appleton who is a strong believer in diversity, inclusion and eliminating racism.

  A predominantly white city, of only 13% people of color, Karen and the mayor have created an environment in Appleton where people across all differences, especially immigrants are welcomed and encouraged to succeed.

  This Every Day Conversation on Race demonstrates how just a few people can make a big difference in road to diversity, equity and inclusion in whole community.

  ]]>d2c3cdf7498a4c98b898e0f74b37e659Mon, 25 Mar 2019 07:00:00 -070001:04:10falsefull129291How To Be A White AllyDavid Campt, dialogue thought leader has created the White Ally Toolkit, for white people who want to end racism.

  His family was one of three Black families in his neighborhood in Detroit. He talks about class differences amongst Black people and how it impacted him.

  He says "instead of being shocked about racial divisions, we need to start changing that." Most white people he's spoken with have very little meaningful interactions with Black people.

  In this conversation on race, David calls me on my bias and asks about my awareness and transformation. Listen in if you want to know more.

  David offers tips on how to talk about race with people who are different. There are three dimensions to think about when having a conversation on race.

  1- Cultural Difference

  2- Unconscious bias and the science behind it

  3- Impact of history

  Some people think unconscious bias exists and history matters. Other people think bias doesn't exist and history matters.

  What are the ways we look at each other, and how do we deal with conscious bias too.

  We have to talk to people who don't agree with us, don't understand racism and don't see it as a problem. Only talking to people who agree with us on race and racism doesn't bring about the change. White people who are conscious have to get to know and talk to other white people who don't believe that way.

  Instead of seeing all white people who voted for Trump as a group, we need to each talk to one person and open their minds.

  ]]>David Campt, dialogue thought leader has created the White Ally Toolkit, for white people who want to end racism.

  His family was one of three Black families in his neighborhood in Detroit. He talks about class differences amongst Black people and how it impacted him.

  He says "instead of being shocked about racial divisions, we need to start changing that." Most white people he's spoken with have very little meaningful interactions with Black people.

  In this conversation on race, David calls me on my bias and asks about my awareness and transformation. Listen in if you want to know more.

  David offers tips on how to talk about race with people who are different. There are three dimensions to think about when having a conversation on race.

  1- Cultural Difference

  2- Unconscious bias and the science behind it

  3- Impact of history

  Some people think unconscious bias exists and history matters. Other people think bias doesn't exist and history matters.

  What are the ways we look at each other, and how do we deal with conscious bias too.

  We have to talk to people who don't agree with us, don't understand racism and don't see it as a problem. Only talking to people who agree with us on race and racism doesn't bring about the change. White people who are conscious have to get to know and talk to other white people who don't believe that way.

  Instead of seeing all white people who voted for Trump as a group, we need to each talk to one person and open their minds.

  ]]>9a5d200e80474a0f8267418d4adc0e2aThu, 21 Mar 2019 07:00:00 -070001:12:00falsefull128281How To Be A White AllyDavid Campt, dialogue thought leader has created the White Ally Toolkit, for white people who want to end racism.

  His family was one of three Black families in his neighborhood in Detroit. He talks about class differences amongst Black people and how it impacted him.

  He says "instead of being shocked about racial divisions, we need to start changing that." Most white people he's spoken with have very little meaningful interactions with Black people.

  In this conversation on race, David calls me on my bias and asks about my awareness and transformation. Listen in if you want to know more.

  David offers tips on how to talk about race with people who are different. There are three dimensions to think about when having a conversation on race.

  1- Cultural Difference

  2- Unconscious bias and the science behind it

  3- Impact of history

  Some people think unconscious bias exists and history matters. Other people think bias doesn't exist and history matters.

  What are the ways we look at each other, and how do we deal with conscious bias too.

  We have to talk to people who don't agree with us, don't understand racism and don't see it as a problem. Only talking to people who agree with us on race and racism doesn't bring about the change. White people who are conscious have to get to know and talk to other white people who don't believe that way.

  Instead of seeing all white people who voted for Trump as a group, we need to each talk to one person and open their minds.

  ]]>David Campt, dialogue thought leader has created the White Ally Toolkit, for white people who want to end racism.

  His family was one of three Black families in his neighborhood in Detroit. He talks about class differences amongst Black people and how it impacted him.

  He says "instead of being shocked about racial divisions, we need to start changing that." Most white people he's spoken with have very little meaningful interactions with Black people.

  In this conversation on race, David calls me on my bias and asks about my awareness and transformation. Listen in if you want to know more.

  David offers tips on how to talk about race with people who are different. There are three dimensions to think about when having a conversation on race.

  1- Cultural Difference

  2- Unconscious bias and the science behind it

  3- Impact of history

  Some people think unconscious bias exists and history matters. Other people think bias doesn't exist and history matters.

  What are the ways we look at each other, and how do we deal with conscious bias too.

  We have to talk to people who don't agree with us, don't understand racism and don't see it as a problem. Only talking to people who agree with us on race and racism doesn't bring about the change. White people who are conscious have to get to know and talk to other white people who don't believe that way.

  Instead of seeing all white people who voted for Trump as a group, we need to each talk to one person and open their minds.

  ]]>8bc6794c1adf4730ab98124228d46281Thu, 21 Mar 2019 07:00:00 -070001:12:00falsefull128281How To Be A White AllyDavid Campt, dialogue thought leader has created the White Ally Toolkit, for white people who want to end racism.

  His family was one of three Black families in his neighborhood in Detroit. He talks about class differences amongst Black people and how it impacted him.

  He says "instead of being shocked about racial divisions, we need to start changing that." Most white people he's spoken with have very little meaningful interactions with Black people.

  In this conversation on race, David calls me on my bias and asks about my awareness and transformation. Listen in if you want to know more.

  David offers tips on how to talk about race with people who are different. There are three dimensions to think about when having a conversation on race.

  1- Cultural Difference

  2- Unconscious bias and the science behind it

  3- Impact of history

  Some people think unconscious bias exists and history matters. Other people think bias doesn't exist and history matters.

  What are the ways we look at each other, and how do we deal with conscious bias too.

  We have to talk to people who don't agree with us, don't understand racism and don't see it as a problem. Only talking to people who agree with us on race and racism doesn't bring about the change. White people who are conscious have to get to know and talk to other white people who don't believe that way.

  Instead of seeing all white people who voted for Trump as a group, we need to each talk to one person and open their minds.

  ]]>David Campt, dialogue thought leader has created the White Ally Toolkit, for white people who want to end racism.

  His family was one of three Black families in his neighborhood in Detroit. He talks about class differences amongst Black people and how it impacted him.

  He says "instead of being shocked about racial divisions, we need to start changing that." Most white people he's spoken with have very little meaningful interactions with Black people.

  In this conversation on race, David calls me on my bias and asks about my awareness and transformation. Listen in if you want to know more.

  David offers tips on how to talk about race with people who are different. There are three dimensions to think about when having a conversation on race.

  1- Cultural Difference

  2- Unconscious bias and the science behind it

  3- Impact of history

  Some people think unconscious bias exists and history matters. Other people think bias doesn't exist and history matters.

  What are the ways we look at each other, and how do we deal with conscious bias too.

  We have to talk to people who don't agree with us, don't understand racism and don't see it as a problem. Only talking to people who agree with us on race and racism doesn't bring about the change. White people who are conscious have to get to know and talk to other white people who don't believe that way.

  Instead of seeing all white people who voted for Trump as a group, we need to each talk to one person and open their minds.

  ]]>90ec1188a7ed4e689a2a97bfa0100b4dThu, 21 Mar 2019 07:00:00 -070001:12:00falsefull128281Does Global Travel Reduce Racism?Will owning a passport make you less racist?

  Lisa Francesca Nand, journalist and travel podcaster shares her experiences traveling the world as a bi-racial women, and how that impacts her worldview, and her career. Lisa is one of the top sports reporters and travel podcasters in the UK, and in this conversation on race, talks about the impact her work has had on reducing bias.

  ]]>Will owning a passport make you less racist?

  Lisa Francesca Nand, journalist and travel podcaster shares her experiences traveling the world as a bi-racial women, and how that impacts her worldview, and her career. Lisa is one of the top sports reporters and travel podcasters in the UK, and in this conversation on race, talks about the impact her work has had on reducing bias.

  ]]>71c714c708444fe1baa4dcb9967e635fTue, 12 Mar 2019 18:55:37 -070001:01:03falsefull127271Why Having an Interracial Family Doesn't Make You Free of RacismDownload Episode

  In this fascinating conversation on race, John Blake, the CNN reporter who covers race, religion and politics shares his experiences and thoughts on race. You definitely want to hear this episode of "Every Day Conversations on Race."

  Race has always been an important issue to John Blake. He shares his experience as a biracial young man growing up in West Baltimore where the Freddy Gray riots occurred, and where The Wire was filmed.

  Regarding Governor Northam of Virginia, and the issue of Blackface, John refers to Lyndon Johnson and Abraham Lincoln who had racist histories, but later did great things for Black people., "Some of our best friends have been racist," he wrote in a recent article.

  "Thinking about Lincoln and Johnson," he states "made me ask whether we want someone who works for Black people who has made mistakes that we can talk to, or someone who is able to successfully hide their racism and do nothing."

  He said that social media will destroy people over one wrong statement and there's no redemption. "We fixate on other people but not how we all have issues of race. Even I do," he admits.

  We talk about the myth that if there all you need to get rid of racism, is more intermarriage and biracial children.

  Listen now if you want to know

  • why you can still be racist even if you have people of color in your family or a Black best friend
  • what's whitesplaining and how some white people try to tell Black people what racism
  • why John Blake was accused of mansplaining by his wife
  • how reporting on gang activity in Los Angeles affected his thinking on race and systems
  • what he thinks of Rachel Dolezal
  • why we need new ways and language of talking about racism
  • actions we can take to look at ourselves, further the conversation on race, and stop racism
  
  
  ]]>Download Episode

  In this fascinating conversation on race, John Blake, the CNN reporter who covers race, religion and politics shares his experiences and thoughts on race. You definitely want to hear this episode of "Every Day Conversations on Race."

  Race has always been an important issue to John Blake. He shares his experience as a biracial young man growing up in West Baltimore where the Freddy Gray riots occurred, and where The Wire was filmed.

  Regarding Governor Northam of Virginia, and the issue of Blackface, John refers to Lyndon Johnson and Abraham Lincoln who had racist histories, but later did great things for Black people., "Some of our best friends have been racist," he wrote in a recent article.

  "Thinking about Lincoln and Johnson," he states "made me ask whether we want someone who works for Black people who has made mistakes that we can talk to, or someone who is able to successfully hide their racism and do nothing."

  He said that social media will destroy people over one wrong statement and there's no redemption. "We fixate on other people but not how we all have issues of race. Even I do," he admits.

  We talk about the myth that if there all you need to get rid of racism, is more intermarriage and biracial children.

  Listen now if you want to know

  • why you can still be racist even if you have people of color in your family or a Black best friend
  • what's whitesplaining and how some white people try to tell Black people what racism
  • why John Blake was accused of mansplaining by his wife
  • how reporting on gang activity in Los Angeles affected his thinking on race and systems
  • what he thinks of Rachel Dolezal
  • why we need new ways and language of talking about racism
  • actions we can take to look at ourselves, further the conversation on race, and stop racism
  
  
  ]]>285756e0a0ae4b1ab84a060d3fd1842aThu, 07 Mar 2019 23:34:15 -070050:43falsefull126261Episode 25 : The Truth About Anti-Semitism at the Women's March - A Jewish Woman of Color and member of the Women's March Isteering committeeDownload Episode

  April Baskin, a Jewish woman of color joined me for an Every Day Conversation on Race to share her perspectives on Judaism, race, the women's march and social justice.

  Her African-American, Native-American and White Ashkenazie Jewish background made her the person she is today, a social activist who has been instrumental in bringing people together across differences. She has had many every day conversations on race, ethnicity, religion, and economic class.

  April has a very strong Jewish identity and has held several leadership positions in mainstream Jewish organizations.. Even though she was the VP of Audacious Hospitality at the Union for Reform Judaism, she has experienced racism within the Jewish community. The false myth that all Jews are white, has sometimes led white Jews to question her Judaism, telling her she is not Jewish enough or interrogating her by asking, "How are you Jewish." This is a question that white Jewish people are not asked, nor are they told they are not Jewish enough.

  There is another false belief amongst some more right wing white Jewish people that there is a "special issue" of Black antisemitism. There is some antisemitism and racism in every group particularly when people don't know each other. Instead of getting to know individuals in any group, some people take the "easy and lazy" way out and rely on the media, one negative experience or Facebook and Twitter rumors to generalize a group. It's a cognitive dissonance that when someone in a group we are part of (racial, cultural, etc.) we see them as on individual but when it's an individual from another group they represent everyone.

  We also discussed her thinking that some of the claims of anti-Semitism are coming from trolls and people who don't support equality and want to use Jewish people as scapegoats to separate us from Muslims and people of color who have also been targeted and attacked. Their strategy is to make Jewish people feel like they are being attacked by people on the progressive side and no longer align with them.

  This has been particularly problematic in the recent Women's March, of which April is on the steering committee. In our conversation on race, April spoke about the misconception that the whole leadership of the women's march was anti Semitic based on the relationship one of the leaders has with Minister Farrakhan who had consistently made anti-Semitic statements.

  April made the compared that by saying that if a Jewish person in a synagogue makes a racist statement that doesn't mean all Jewish people are responsible, and it would be wrong to assume that and condemn all Judaism.

  It's important for April and other Jewish women to be part of the women's march and educate people who may not know about Judaism and what is considered offensive no matter who they are. At the same time, it's important for white women involved in the Women's March to learn about racism. We need each other and the only way we can be successful and eliminate inequality is by education, experience and working together.

  This is why April feels that open, honest and sometimes difficult conversations on race are crucial to stop hate and fear of people who are different.

  ]]>Download Episode

  April Baskin, a Jewish woman of color joined me for an Every Day Conversation on Race to share her perspectives on Judaism, race, the women's march and social justice.

  Her African-American, Native-American and White Ashkenazie Jewish background made her the person she is today, a social activist who has been instrumental in bringing people together across differences. She has had many every day conversations on race, ethnicity, religion, and economic class.

  April has a very strong Jewish identity and has held several leadership positions in mainstream Jewish organizations.. Even though she was the VP of Audacious Hospitality at the Union for Reform Judaism, she has experienced racism within the Jewish community. The false myth that all Jews are white, has sometimes led white Jews to question her Judaism, telling her she is not Jewish enough or interrogating her by asking, "How are you Jewish." This is a question that white Jewish people are not asked, nor are they told they are not Jewish enough.

  There is another false belief amongst some more right wing white Jewish people that there is a "special issue" of Black antisemitism. There is some antisemitism and racism in every group particularly when people don't know each other. Instead of getting to know individuals in any group, some people take the "easy and lazy" way out and rely on the media, one negative experience or Facebook and Twitter rumors to generalize a group. It's a cognitive dissonance that when someone in a group we are part of (racial, cultural, etc.) we see them as on individual but when it's an individual from another group they represent everyone.

  We also discussed her thinking that some of the claims of anti-Semitism are coming from trolls and people who don't support equality and want to use Jewish people as scapegoats to separate us from Muslims and people of color who have also been targeted and attacked. Their strategy is to make Jewish people feel like they are being attacked by people on the progressive side and no longer align with them.

  This has been particularly problematic in the recent Women's March, of which April is on the steering committee. In our conversation on race, April spoke about the misconception that the whole leadership of the women's march was anti Semitic based on the relationship one of the leaders has with Minister Farrakhan who had consistently made anti-Semitic statements.

  April made the compared that by saying that if a Jewish person in a synagogue makes a racist statement that doesn't mean all Jewish people are responsible, and it would be wrong to assume that and condemn all Judaism.

  It's important for April and other Jewish women to be part of the women's march and educate people who may not know about Judaism and what is considered offensive no matter who they are. At the same time, it's important for white women involved in the Women's March to learn about racism. We need each other and the only way we can be successful and eliminate inequality is by education, experience and working together.

  This is why April feels that open, honest and sometimes difficult conversations on race are crucial to stop hate and fear of people who are different.

  ]]>efa140f2fd204b54a2ff179309327dd9Fri, 22 Feb 2019 01:01:16 -070057:39falsefull125251How the Conversation on Race Impacts DisabilityDownload Episode
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  ]]>e14a8e3ab46a47d0a790791e73c56b46Wed, 06 Feb 2019 23:25:37 -070001:00:03falsefull124241Topic Conversation on Race 2018 RecapDownload Episode

  Simma Lieberman and LeRon Barton in this episode made a summary of what has been said through 2018 about race and other topics.

  ]]>Download Episode

  Simma Lieberman and LeRon Barton in this episode made a summary of what has been said through 2018 about race and other topics.

  ]]>baa85566569246c8a69618f696606706Thu, 31 Jan 2019 22:26:07 -070001:01:06falsefull123231Latin X in the Conversation on RaceDownload Episode

  Conversations on Race and LatinX with Bernardo Ferdman and Placida Gallegos

  What is LatinX? Bernardo Ferdman, a Jewish Latino, born in Argentina and raised in Puerto Rico, and Placida Gallegos, a Chicana woman define LatinX, and talk about issues of race, skin color, and ethnicity in the Latin culture.

  They share issues of skin color, ethnicity and race in the Latino culture. Placida talks about her family and how being light skinned was valued more than her siblings who were darker, as well as how men had more power and value than women.

  Bernardo talk about his experiences as a white Latino who is also Jewish, and what binds LatinX people together.

  The Spanish language is gender based, and there are different endings of words based on gender. LatinX includes all genders, ethnicities and skin colors.

  Topics of interest:

  • LatinX- why, how and impact of the term
  • Questions about the term and pushback
  • Origin and meaning of the term Chicano
  • Colorism in the overall LatinX culture
  • Terms that used to be acceptable and is no longer
  • Conversations on race within the LatinX community and outside the LatinX community
  • Generation differences in the Latino community
  • History of Salsa and Caribbean music and new music blends
  • Intersections and complexities of Latin culture
  • Bad Bunny, Cardi B, and the popularity or Latino reggaeton, and trap music
  • Objectification of Latina women
  • The racial aspect of immigration issues today in the US
  • Patterns of racism in the immigration discussion
  • Impact of the media, dehumanization and villification of people from Mexico and countries who are fleeing violence and oppression
  
  

  [caption id="attachment_988" align="alignleft" width="150"] Bernardo[/caption]

  [caption id="attachment_989" align="alignleft" width="150"] Placida Gallegos[/caption]

  ]]>Download Episode

  Conversations on Race and LatinX with Bernardo Ferdman and Placida Gallegos

  What is LatinX? Bernardo Ferdman, a Jewish Latino, born in Argentina and raised in Puerto Rico, and Placida Gallegos, a Chicana woman define LatinX, and talk about issues of race, skin color, and ethnicity in the Latin culture.

  They share issues of skin color, ethnicity and race in the Latino culture. Placida talks about her family and how being light skinned was valued more than her siblings who were darker, as well as how men had more power and value than women.

  Bernardo talk about his experiences as a white Latino who is also Jewish, and what binds LatinX people together.

  The Spanish language is gender based, and there are different endings of words based on gender. LatinX includes all genders, ethnicities and skin colors.

  Topics of interest:

  • LatinX- why, how and impact of the term
  • Questions about the term and pushback
  • Origin and meaning of the term Chicano
  • Colorism in the overall LatinX culture
  • Terms that used to be acceptable and is no longer
  • Conversations on race within the LatinX community and outside the LatinX community
  • Generation differences in the Latino community
  • History of Salsa and Caribbean music and new music blends
  • Intersections and complexities of Latin culture
  • Bad Bunny, Cardi B, and the popularity or Latino reggaeton, and trap music
  • Objectification of Latina women
  • The racial aspect of immigration issues today in the US
  • Patterns of racism in the immigration discussion
  • Impact of the media, dehumanization and villification of people from Mexico and countries who are fleeing violence and oppression
  
  

  [caption id="attachment_988" align="alignleft" width="150"] Bernardo[/caption]

  [caption id="attachment_989" align="alignleft" width="150"] Placida Gallegos[/caption]

  ]]>afec05d2d1a6484f89f99aa60464f97fThu, 17 Jan 2019 23:44:48 -070001:00:03falsefull122221Healing from racial and economic traumaDownload Episode Key topics:

  Block Chain for Social Justice

  Resilient Wellness

  Black female entrepreneurship

  Racial and economic trauma

  Diversity, Equity and Inclusion in the Block Chain world

  Daisy Ozim who grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area and in Lagos, Nigeria, is the founder Resilient Wellness, a co operatively owned healthcare system that provides holistic medicine and health education to marginalized and underserved communities.

  She's also the director of Blockchain for Social Justice that uses Block Chain technology to uplift marginalized communities and eliminate poverty and close the wealth gap.

  Daisy says it important to talk about race because racism is one of the biggest issues that we're facing in society as a whole. It's also important for us to talk about race because we cannot heal or address racism and all of its manifestations if we don't have a conversation about it.

  Her organization Block Chain for social justice is a collaborative organization and that focuses in three key areas,

  • Block Chain developer training. Daisy helps people of color and people in lower income communities become block chain developers because they can make $250,000 to $400,000 a year
  
  
  • Education and access that results in creativity
  
  
  • Equity in the Block Chain community
  
  

  Block chain technology can be used for social justice and to help low income and people of color or it can be used to further nefarious goals that hurt people of color.

  She wants to ensure that people of color can generate wealth and protect themselves from economic trauma like the Black Wall Street Massacre in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

  Her public health work helps people physically, mentally and emotionally heal from racial trauma and internalized racism

  Guest: Daisy Ozim

  [caption id="attachment_965" align="alignleft" width="150"] Daisy Ozim[/caption]

  ]]>Download Episode Key topics:

  Block Chain for Social Justice

  Resilient Wellness

  Black female entrepreneurship

  Racial and economic trauma

  Diversity, Equity and Inclusion in the Block Chain world

  Daisy Ozim who grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area and in Lagos, Nigeria, is the founder Resilient Wellness, a co operatively owned healthcare system that provides holistic medicine and health education to marginalized and underserved communities.

  She's also the director of Blockchain for Social Justice that uses Block Chain technology to uplift marginalized communities and eliminate poverty and close the wealth gap.

  Daisy says it important to talk about race because racism is one of the biggest issues that we're facing in society as a whole. It's also important for us to talk about race because we cannot heal or address racism and all of its manifestations if we don't have a conversation about it.

  Her organization Block Chain for social justice is a collaborative organization and that focuses in three key areas,

  • Block Chain developer training. Daisy helps people of color and people in lower income communities become block chain developers because they can make $250,000 to $400,000 a year
  
  
  • Education and access that results in creativity
  
  
  • Equity in the Block Chain community
  
  

  Block chain technology can be used for social justice and to help low income and people of color or it can be used to further nefarious goals that hurt people of color.

  She wants to ensure that people of color can generate wealth and protect themselves from economic trauma like the Black Wall Street Massacre in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

  Her public health work helps people physically, mentally and emotionally heal from racial trauma and internalized racism

  Guest: Daisy Ozim

  [caption id="attachment_965" align="alignleft" width="150"] Daisy Ozim[/caption]

  ]]>e1a1838f6d2c47c3a623e960aa175e3aThu, 10 Jan 2019 21:45:01 -070050:32falsefull121211Political Correctness vs Cultural Competence, Expanding the Privilege ConvoDownload Episode

  Dr. Nika White

  Dr.Nika White a thought leader in Diversity, Equity and Inclusion talks with me about race in South Carolina and her earliest memories of racism as an African-American woman. This is a very powerful discussion with real solutions.

  Keypoints:

  In order to have a meaningful conversation on race, across race, we need to be focused on cultural competence as opposed to being "politically correct." The emphasis on "political correctness," hampers openness, listening to each other and can be a barrier to conversations on race and other differences.

  There more kinds of privilege that need to be acknowledged and recognized. When privilege is not recognized, it can lead to bias, assumptions and biased behavior. At different times, different privileges are more prominent and have a more profound impact on people's lives.

  The point of talking about privilege is not to create shame or guilt but to have greater clarity in the conversation on race and foster more inclusion. Privilege is about the cards we are dealt that give people an automatic advantage in certain situations. Once we recognize our areas of privilege we can use those privileges to ensure equity and inclusion for everyone.

  Diversity has a lot of layers beyond race; age, sexual orientation, socio-economics, etc. that need to be included in the conversation. For some people it's easier if we begin by talking about the other dimensions and then talk about race. Everyone must be included. If we don't address issues of privilege we will not be able to stop racism.

  White men can play a key role in change and creating opportunities for everyone else. There are great people of all backgrounds working in the diversity, equity and inclusion realm. It's not just people of color doing it.

  Nika shares a story of being in a meeting when a white man tried to shut her down. Another white man spoke up in support of her. Don't wait for people who are the targets of biased behavior to say something. Speak up right away. We all need to play a role in building equitable workplaces and communities.

  When people don't see a problem when there is bias, they are perpetuating the problem.

  [caption id="attachment_950" align="alignleft" width="150"] Dr. Nika White[/caption]

  ]]>Download Episode

  Dr. Nika White

  Dr.Nika White a thought leader in Diversity, Equity and Inclusion talks with me about race in South Carolina and her earliest memories of racism as an African-American woman. This is a very powerful discussion with real solutions.

  Keypoints:

  In order to have a meaningful conversation on race, across race, we need to be focused on cultural competence as opposed to being "politically correct." The emphasis on "political correctness," hampers openness, listening to each other and can be a barrier to conversations on race and other differences.

  There more kinds of privilege that need to be acknowledged and recognized. When privilege is not recognized, it can lead to bias, assumptions and biased behavior. At different times, different privileges are more prominent and have a more profound impact on people's lives.

  The point of talking about privilege is not to create shame or guilt but to have greater clarity in the conversation on race and foster more inclusion. Privilege is about the cards we are dealt that give people an automatic advantage in certain situations. Once we recognize our areas of privilege we can use those privileges to ensure equity and inclusion for everyone.

  Diversity has a lot of layers beyond race; age, sexual orientation, socio-economics, etc. that need to be included in the conversation. For some people it's easier if we begin by talking about the other dimensions and then talk about race. Everyone must be included. If we don't address issues of privilege we will not be able to stop racism.

  White men can play a key role in change and creating opportunities for everyone else. There are great people of all backgrounds working in the diversity, equity and inclusion realm. It's not just people of color doing it.

  Nika shares a story of being in a meeting when a white man tried to shut her down. Another white man spoke up in support of her. Don't wait for people who are the targets of biased behavior to say something. Speak up right away. We all need to play a role in building equitable workplaces and communities.

  When people don't see a problem when there is bias, they are perpetuating the problem.

  [caption id="attachment_950" align="alignleft" width="150"] Dr. Nika White[/caption]

  ]]>f5252e730d4f4c88aa33adf280fdd57eSun, 30 Dec 2018 22:51:47 -070054:14falsefull120201Are LGBTQ People of Color Viewed as Sexual objects?Download Episode

  My guests were in this episode are Paoi Eulalia and Alessandra Stevens from MXD Magazine.

  MXD Magazine is a publication that celebrates LGBTQ People of Color (POCs), non-conformists, and allies. Both Paoi and Alessandra are Filipino-American but represent different genders and generations.

  One of their objectives is to fight racism masked as sexual preference, among other façades. Too often LGBTQ people of color are either objectified as exotic sexual objects or are totally invisible. We discuss the different ways LGBTQ people are seen as sex objects and not as real people.

  MXD Magazine aims to celebrate and bring LGBTQ people of color deal with issues that concern them.

  It's still all too common that LGBTQ people are presented in the media as all white men. Not only are people of color in general missing from the conversation but also Transgender people who are most often targets of violence and discrimination are discounted.

  Within the LGB community there is still a lack of education, bias and transphobia. MXD Magazine is all-inclusive and features several people who are transgender. The magazine is still in its infant stages and most of the articles and features are male focused but by bringing in Alessandra and other women they hope to change that.

  We discuss how the right therapy and therapists can make a difference in people's lives for self-acceptance, internalized homophobia and transphobia. Both Alessandra and Paoi see the importance of increasing the amount of LGBTQ therapists who are people of color and eliminating the stigma that some people still have regarding therapy. They each share their own experiences as to how therapy has helped each of them become the healthy emotionally, mentally and spiritually.

  We agree that there needs to be more attention paid to intersectionality in the LGBTQ community in order to have the conversation on race and other differences. No one is just one identity, or just LGBTQ. People are from different cultures, generations, religions, races, etc. Those multiple identities can create commonalities and connections if we are willing to look at them. No conversation on race, gender identity, or sexual orientation can be meaningful without understanding intersectionality.

  Resources mentioned in this episode

  www.MXD.com

  Paoi Eulalia Publisher@MXDMagazine.com

  www.RaceConvo.com

  www.simmslieberman.com

  @theinclusionist

  Simma@sSimmaLieberman.com

  ]]>Download Episode

  My guests were in this episode are Paoi Eulalia and Alessandra Stevens from MXD Magazine.

  MXD Magazine is a publication that celebrates LGBTQ People of Color (POCs), non-conformists, and allies. Both Paoi and Alessandra are Filipino-American but represent different genders and generations.

  One of their objectives is to fight racism masked as sexual preference, among other façades. Too often LGBTQ people of color are either objectified as exotic sexual objects or are totally invisible. We discuss the different ways LGBTQ people are seen as sex objects and not as real people.

  MXD Magazine aims to celebrate and bring LGBTQ people of color deal with issues that concern them.

  It's still all too common that LGBTQ people are presented in the media as all white men. Not only are people of color in general missing from the conversation but also Transgender people who are most often targets of violence and discrimination are discounted.

  Within the LGB community there is still a lack of education, bias and transphobia. MXD Magazine is all-inclusive and features several people who are transgender. The magazine is still in its infant stages and most of the articles and features are male focused but by bringing in Alessandra and other women they hope to change that.

  We discuss how the right therapy and therapists can make a difference in people's lives for self-acceptance, internalized homophobia and transphobia. Both Alessandra and Paoi see the importance of increasing the amount of LGBTQ therapists who are people of color and eliminating the stigma that some people still have regarding therapy. They each share their own experiences as to how therapy has helped each of them become the healthy emotionally, mentally and spiritually.

  We agree that there needs to be more attention paid to intersectionality in the LGBTQ community in order to have the conversation on race and other differences. No one is just one identity, or just LGBTQ. People are from different cultures, generations, religions, races, etc. Those multiple identities can create commonalities and connections if we are willing to look at them. No conversation on race, gender identity, or sexual orientation can be meaningful without understanding intersectionality.

  Resources mentioned in this episode

  www.MXD.com

  Paoi Eulalia Publisher@MXDMagazine.com

  www.RaceConvo.com

  www.simmslieberman.com

  @theinclusionist

  Simma@sSimmaLieberman.com

  ]]>f0926c2dd76a4b94a098b17fb16f65ecSun, 23 Dec 2018 21:54:00 -070001:03:50falsefull119191Are Whole Cities Racist?LeRon Barton is a widely published author on race, mass incarceration and dating. He is 40 years old and African-American.

  Key topics on the show are:

  • The importance of white people having conversations on race with each other.
  • What white people and other people can do to be allies
  • When people not in the target group need to speak out against racist or inappropriate comments and when they need to not speak for people of color or members of a group being targeted
  • Why too many white people are afraid to have a conversation about race with people different than them
  • Times when Black people don't speak up because they don't want to be seen as the angry Black person , so they water their comments down
  • How Obama had to walk a fine line when showing emotions
  • Simma and LeRon disagree about Obama as a president
  • Why we need more cross-race conversations about race that discuss solutions and not just talk
  • LeRon and Simma disagree about South Carolina. LeRon thinks there is nothing good about South Carolina and Simma says that she spoke at a diversity conference in South Carolina and met great people. Also, South Carolina has had a lot of civil rights activism and you can't put down everyone in a whole state. Can a whole state be racist? Simma says no.
  • Solutions to racist monuments- should they be taken down, put in a museum or destroyed?
  • How to handle the dangers of being Black in America today, and in particular being a Black man. LeRon wrote an article- on "Staying Alive While Black."
  • Is stand your ground and open carry only for white people?
  
  

  Download Episode

  ]]>LeRon Barton is a widely published author on race, mass incarceration and dating. He is 40 years old and African-American.

  Key topics on the show are:

  • The importance of white people having conversations on race with each other.
  • What white people and other people can do to be allies
  • When people not in the target group need to speak out against racist or inappropriate comments and when they need to not speak for people of color or members of a group being targeted
  • Why too many white people are afraid to have a conversation about race with people different than them
  • Times when Black people don't speak up because they don't want to be seen as the angry Black person , so they water their comments down
  • How Obama had to walk a fine line when showing emotions
  • Simma and LeRon disagree about Obama as a president
  • Why we need more cross-race conversations about race that discuss solutions and not just talk
  • LeRon and Simma disagree about South Carolina. LeRon thinks there is nothing good about South Carolina and Simma says that she spoke at a diversity conference in South Carolina and met great people. Also, South Carolina has had a lot of civil rights activism and you can't put down everyone in a whole state. Can a whole state be racist? Simma says no.
  • Solutions to racist monuments- should they be taken down, put in a museum or destroyed?
  • How to handle the dangers of being Black in America today, and in particular being a Black man. LeRon wrote an article- on "Staying Alive While Black."
  • Is stand your ground and open carry only for white people?
  
  

  Download Episode

  ]]>4eabe85c0b8b46b5bc47be3ea62217b2Tue, 04 Dec 2018 22:18:06 -070001:00:48falsefull118181Everyday Conversations on Race with Precious Stroud - Black Women's ProjectDownload Episode

  Precious Stroud- founder or the Black Female Project.org

  Precious Stroud- Gen X Black Woman from Berkeley

  Importance of story telling in communications

  Important to talk about race because everything is racialized. She says race impacts everything in her life.

  Impacts how society was set up. If someone believes another person is inferior based on color of skin, they won't promote that person.

  Economics doesn't impact how long Black people live but it's the result of racism.

  She has been a friend with people from different races and backgrounds since she was in elementary school.

  Her first experience with racism that she remembers was people not wanting to sit next to her little sister at Marine World because of how dark her sister was.

  Jim Crow was not that long ago. Her great grandmother was first generation born free. Coping skills for being Black in the US were passed down and Precious has had to unlearn some of the fears for survival sake that she internalized.

  She is working on just being herself instead of having to feel like she needs to take care of "white women," so she will be accepted.

  Precious started the Black Female Project to help Black females tell the truth about their experiences in the workplace. She always felt pressure to navigate and code-switch at work, which took its toll on her stress level and health.

  She was hired at her last job for her talent and creativity, and then was told she wasn't

  "measuring up," and didn't meet "their standards." This is very common issue for Black women who are told they speak up too much, don't fit in, or not meeting expectations. In addition, she later found out she was paid less than a white man at the same level.

  It's also common for Black people in organizations to not get feedback about their work, or areas for improvement until they get fired. When they ask why they didn't get feedback before, their manager told them that they didn't want to be seen as racist.

  The Black Female project celebrates Black females in the workplace and to have them share their stories. Racism in the workplace contributes to autoimmune diseases and hair loss. Sharing their stories has been healing for all the women who participated. It is in-person, online and ongoing.

  It's important for Black females to speak up about racism and inequality.

  Prccious talks about the myth of the "angry Black woman," and how Black women are stereotyped that way any time they show emotion, disagree or speak up for themselves.

  Her project is continues to grow. They are also starting the Black Teacher's Project.

  Check out BlackFemaleProject.org

  ]]>Download Episode

  Precious Stroud- founder or the Black Female Project.org

  Precious Stroud- Gen X Black Woman from Berkeley

  Importance of story telling in communications

  Important to talk about race because everything is racialized. She says race impacts everything in her life.

  Impacts how society was set up. If someone believes another person is inferior based on color of skin, they won't promote that person.

  Economics doesn't impact how long Black people live but it's the result of racism.

  She has been a friend with people from different races and backgrounds since she was in elementary school.

  Her first experience with racism that she remembers was people not wanting to sit next to her little sister at Marine World because of how dark her sister was.

  Jim Crow was not that long ago. Her great grandmother was first generation born free. Coping skills for being Black in the US were passed down and Precious has had to unlearn some of the fears for survival sake that she internalized.

  She is working on just being herself instead of having to feel like she needs to take care of "white women," so she will be accepted.

  Precious started the Black Female Project to help Black females tell the truth about their experiences in the workplace. She always felt pressure to navigate and code-switch at work, which took its toll on her stress level and health.

  She was hired at her last job for her talent and creativity, and then was told she wasn't

  "measuring up," and didn't meet "their standards." This is very common issue for Black women who are told they speak up too much, don't fit in, or not meeting expectations. In addition, she later found out she was paid less than a white man at the same level.

  It's also common for Black people in organizations to not get feedback about their work, or areas for improvement until they get fired. When they ask why they didn't get feedback before, their manager told them that they didn't want to be seen as racist.

  The Black Female project celebrates Black females in the workplace and to have them share their stories. Racism in the workplace contributes to autoimmune diseases and hair loss. Sharing their stories has been healing for all the women who participated. It is in-person, online and ongoing.

  It's important for Black females to speak up about racism and inequality.

  Prccious talks about the myth of the "angry Black woman," and how Black women are stereotyped that way any time they show emotion, disagree or speak up for themselves.

  Her project is continues to grow. They are also starting the Black Teacher's Project.

  Check out BlackFemaleProject.org

  ]]>cf3b4ab4489b4bacafee5204b0b51ffaWed, 14 Nov 2018 17:02:44 -070001:10:16falsefull117171Episode 15: Everyday Conversations on Race with Jada ImaniJada Imani, an Oakland, CA-based MC, hip-hop artist, workshop facilitator, and founder of the Tatu Vision movement, is dedicated to helping co-create regenerative communities through her performing event production and hosting, healing practice, and coalition-building with communities of poets, Hip-Hop aficionados, entrepreneurs and Permaculture practitioners. She was born in Belleville, Illinois and spent half of her childhood in Illinois and Missouri.

  Jada believes we are all influenced by race, and she thinks of leveraging her unique position of being from a mixed-race background to bring Black and White together.

  Apart from sharing about Tatu vision activities, Jada shares her favorite cultural music mashups. Talking about Hip-hop culture, she points out the difference between a true hip-hop soul and gimmicky people. Disrespect to the hip-hop culture by such people brings a lot of disappointment to Jada.

  Since childhood, Jada has loved music and gets inspired from every genre. She shares about how she uses music and performing to bring people together across race and make everyone feel included.

  Talking about her experience of racism, her light skin attracts a lot of attention and has experienced painful comments from Black and White people.

  According to Jada, a lot of millennials are more sensitive and interested in growth and liberation. But there is still hatred and racism among some of the young generations, most probably the effect of acquiring this hatred from their previous generation. Many of the white supremacists are millennials.

  Jada says it most important to focus on your growth, peace, and love but also don't avoid the crucial matters like racism!! It needs to be solved.

  ]]>Jada Imani, an Oakland, CA-based MC, hip-hop artist, workshop facilitator, and founder of the Tatu Vision movement, is dedicated to helping co-create regenerative communities through her performing event production and hosting, healing practice, and coalition-building with communities of poets, Hip-Hop aficionados, entrepreneurs and Permaculture practitioners. She was born in Belleville, Illinois and spent half of her childhood in Illinois and Missouri.

  Jada believes we are all influenced by race, and she thinks of leveraging her unique position of being from a mixed-race background to bring Black and White together.

  Apart from sharing about Tatu vision activities, Jada shares her favorite cultural music mashups. Talking about Hip-hop culture, she points out the difference between a true hip-hop soul and gimmicky people. Disrespect to the hip-hop culture by such people brings a lot of disappointment to Jada.

  Since childhood, Jada has loved music and gets inspired from every genre. She shares about how she uses music and performing to bring people together across race and make everyone feel included.

  Talking about her experience of racism, her light skin attracts a lot of attention and has experienced painful comments from Black and White people.

  According to Jada, a lot of millennials are more sensitive and interested in growth and liberation. But there is still hatred and racism among some of the young generations, most probably the effect of acquiring this hatred from their previous generation. Many of the white supremacists are millennials.

  Jada says it most important to focus on your growth, peace, and love but also don't avoid the crucial matters like racism!! It needs to be solved.

  ]]>2ba238436e524014ab0321efd6335eeeFri, 09 Nov 2018 00:59:41 -070059:40falsefull115151Episode 16 : Everyday Conversations on Race with Howard Ross and Tracy Brown- Redemption, Race and BelongingDownload Episode

  Howard Ross and Tracy Brown- Experts on race, belonging, and all aspects of diversity and inclusion for over 25 years. Howard is a white Jewish man and a baby boomer and Tracy is an African-American woman and a baby boomer. Most people want to feel like they belong to something greater than themselves and being part of an environment where they can feel supported and connected. Tracy started cross-race dinners where people talk about race, make new connections and new friends. Tracy has facilitated dialogues about race and race relations in corporations where people were afraid to talk about race with each other. She saw people drop their fear of each other and collaborate more. Howard discusses the need for people who are in dominant groups to learn, understand and support people from non-dominant groups. There are ways to have the conversation and make a difference without shame, blame and attacking people. That doesn't make any positive changes.

  Why people are afraid to talk about race

  People of color are worried about repercussions in the work environment and in other environments if they speak up. White people are afraid of saying the "wrong thing." Tracy asks, "do you want to be a diversity cop or diversity coach?" While there are times someone might have to be a "diversity cop," but we you really want change and transformation you need be a "Diversity coach." Howard Ross,"In organizations my job in diversity and inclusion is to be a facilitator, and not an advocate." In his life outside of work, he is an advocate but if he's an advocate in the corporate environment, he won't be able to help facilitate change."

  At what point should someone be fired and at what point should they be educated?

  Howard supports free speech. He asks, "What is the intent? Do they just not know, it's a one time incident that is not systemic. However, there are the incidents that happen over and over and need to be stopped. There is a difference between what happened with Megyn Kelly and Juan Williams. The Juan Williams incident was an example of extreme political correctness. He should not have been fired. Tracy Brown," Zero tolerance is inappropriate. It takes away opportunity for change, learning and increased understanding.

  Key points:

  • Recognize and share your blind spots- like when you become aware of your own bias or other people point out a bias to you.
  • Know why this is important to you personally
  • Seek solutions instead of just complaining about problems
  • When you fire someone there is no way to hold them accountable for their behavior and they will take their behavior somewhere else. There is no one who will force them to behave differently."
  • White people don't think about race all of the time, but people of color are always having to deal with racism and bias at different levels.
  • No matter who we are, we can all say the wrong thing at different times.
  • Be aware of the impact your words and actions have on other people. It's really offensive when white people put their hands on Black people's hair.
  • As experts on diversity and inclusion, we have to be aware of how we "correct" or call attention to someone behavior that might be inappropriate
  • Allow people to change and redeem themselves when possible
  • Take time to listen and understand other people's lived experience who are different than you
  • Learn about privilege. Having privilege doesn't make you a bad person but you need to understand what they means. White people don't have to tell their kids to be careful when they're driving and what to do when they are stopped by cops
  • There are subtle ways that antisemitism shows up even when it's not overt
  • We have to learn and share the history of other ethnic and racial groups
  • The conversation on race has to go beyond Black and White.
  • Why it has mostly been black and white
  • Because it has been the most prevalent
  • No one is just one identity
  • We are all intersections, race, class, gender, sexual orientation, etc.
  • Too often there is a misconception that all people of color have the same dynamic when dealing with race
  • There is also a lack of understanding that not all Black people have the same experience
  • A black person from Africa from an upper-class background doesn't have the same trauma or history as someone who is African American and dealing with post traumatic slave syndrome
  • When you fire someone there is no way to hold them accountable for their behavior and they will take their behavior somewhere else. There is no one who will force them to behave differently."
  • White supremacy, racism, anti-Semitism has been normalized and spread by the political climate and people at the highest levels
  • Are we going to choose evil and hate, or are going to build a country of love and acceptance. We choose love, acceptance and responsibility and need everyone who feels the same way
  
  

  [caption id="attachment_899" align="alignleft" width="150"] Tracy Brown[/caption]

  [caption id="attachment_900" align="alignleft" width="150"] Howard Ross[/caption]

  ]]>Download Episode

  Howard Ross and Tracy Brown- Experts on race, belonging, and all aspects of diversity and inclusion for over 25 years. Howard is a white Jewish man and a baby boomer and Tracy is an African-American woman and a baby boomer. Most people want to feel like they belong to something greater than themselves and being part of an environment where they can feel supported and connected. Tracy started cross-race dinners where people talk about race, make new connections and new friends. Tracy has facilitated dialogues about race and race relations in corporations where people were afraid to talk about race with each other. She saw people drop their fear of each other and collaborate more. Howard discusses the need for people who are in dominant groups to learn, understand and support people from non-dominant groups. There are ways to have the conversation and make a difference without shame, blame and attacking people. That doesn't make any positive changes.

  Why people are afraid to talk about race

  People of color are worried about repercussions in the work environment and in other environments if they speak up. White people are afraid of saying the "wrong thing." Tracy asks, "do you want to be a diversity cop or diversity coach?" While there are times someone might have to be a "diversity cop," but we you really want change and transformation you need be a "Diversity coach." Howard Ross,"In organizations my job in diversity and inclusion is to be a facilitator, and not an advocate." In his life outside of work, he is an advocate but if he's an advocate in the corporate environment, he won't be able to help facilitate change."

  At what point should someone be fired and at what point should they be educated?

  Howard supports free speech. He asks, "What is the intent? Do they just not know, it's a one time incident that is not systemic. However, there are the incidents that happen over and over and need to be stopped. There is a difference between what happened with Megyn Kelly and Juan Williams. The Juan Williams incident was an example of extreme political correctness. He should not have been fired. Tracy Brown," Zero tolerance is inappropriate. It takes away opportunity for change, learning and increased understanding.

  Key points:

  • Recognize and share your blind spots- like when you become aware of your own bias or other people point out a bias to you.
  • Know why this is important to you personally
  • Seek solutions instead of just complaining about problems
  • When you fire someone there is no way to hold them accountable for their behavior and they will take their behavior somewhere else. There is no one who will force them to behave differently."
  • White people don't think about race all of the time, but people of color are always having to deal with racism and bias at different levels.
  • No matter who we are, we can all say the wrong thing at different times.
  • Be aware of the impact your words and actions have on other people. It's really offensive when white people put their hands on Black people's hair.
  • As experts on diversity and inclusion, we have to be aware of how we "correct" or call attention to someone behavior that might be inappropriate
  • Allow people to change and redeem themselves when possible
  • Take time to listen and understand other people's lived experience who are different than you
  • Learn about privilege. Having privilege doesn't make you a bad person but you need to understand what they means. White people don't have to tell their kids to be careful when they're driving and what to do when they are stopped by cops
  • There are subtle ways that antisemitism shows up even when it's not overt
  • We have to learn and share the history of other ethnic and racial groups
  • The conversation on race has to go beyond Black and White.
  • Why it has mostly been black and white
  • Because it has been the most prevalent
  • No one is just one identity
  • We are all intersections, race, class, gender, sexual orientation, etc.
  • Too often there is a misconception that all people of color have the same dynamic when dealing with race
  • There is also a lack of understanding that not all Black people have the same experience
  • A black person from Africa from an upper-class background doesn't have the same trauma or history as someone who is African American and dealing with post traumatic slave syndrome
  • When you fire someone there is no way to hold them accountable for their behavior and they will take their behavior somewhere else. There is no one who will force them to behave differently."
  • White supremacy, racism, anti-Semitism has been normalized and spread by the political climate and people at the highest levels
  • Are we going to choose evil and hate, or are going to build a country of love and acceptance. We choose love, acceptance and responsibility and need everyone who feels the same way
  
  

  [caption id="attachment_899" align="alignleft" width="150"] Tracy Brown[/caption]

  [caption id="attachment_900" align="alignleft" width="150"] Howard Ross[/caption]

  ]]>db29adc8a06a4ea5b174f21fdc6dbd78Fri, 09 Nov 2018 00:16:37 -070055:02falsefull116161Patrick Tindana and Simma, "The Inclusionist" in an everyday conversation on raceDownload Episode

  Patrick Tindana nd Simma, "The Inclusionist,"

  Patrick Tindana and Simma, "The Inclusionist" in an everyday conversation on race.

  Key topics:

  Hear the history and motivation behind Everyday Conversations on Race.

  What it was like to be the only white student at a Hispanic college, and why it's not the same as being the only person of color in an all-white school.

  Why it's more important for white people to take action to eliminate racism today than to spend time feeling guilty.

  The intersection, overlap and questions related to race, color, ethnicity and other differences. How skin color can determine health outcomes, access to services and treatment by others.

  Too often when people feel uncomfortable around people who are different, they ignore them and people of color become almost invisible.

  There are different ways to talk about race. Some people relate to intellectual, academic conversations like Robin DeAngelo, and other people connect more on emotional levels or specific examples like Beau from the 5th Column. Both ways can prompt listeners, particularly white people to take action.

  While racism in systemic and institutional, it's created and perpetuated by individual people. It will take individual people to change those systems and processes, and no one can do it alone.

  Patrick breaks down the differences in understanding and experiencing racism in the US between a Black person born in the US and Black people coming from Africa.

  He talks about the exhaustion of dealing with racism every day, and knowing that people of color are getting detained for selling water, harassed for speaking Spanish, or babysitting for white kids.

  Patrick and Simma share their diversity heroes who have stepped up and spoken out against racist actions, and diversity zeroes who have harassed people of color for speaking Spanish, called police on the Black man babysitting two white kids, or going entering his own apartment.

  [caption id="attachment_866" align="alignleft" width="150"] Patrick Tindana[/caption]

  ]]>Download Episode

  Patrick Tindana nd Simma, "The Inclusionist,"

  Patrick Tindana and Simma, "The Inclusionist" in an everyday conversation on race.

  Key topics:

  Hear the history and motivation behind Everyday Conversations on Race.

  What it was like to be the only white student at a Hispanic college, and why it's not the same as being the only person of color in an all-white school.

  Why it's more important for white people to take action to eliminate racism today than to spend time feeling guilty.

  The intersection, overlap and questions related to race, color, ethnicity and other differences. How skin color can determine health outcomes, access to services and treatment by others.

  Too often when people feel uncomfortable around people who are different, they ignore them and people of color become almost invisible.

  There are different ways to talk about race. Some people relate to intellectual, academic conversations like Robin DeAngelo, and other people connect more on emotional levels or specific examples like Beau from the 5th Column. Both ways can prompt listeners, particularly white people to take action.

  While racism in systemic and institutional, it's created and perpetuated by individual people. It will take individual people to change those systems and processes, and no one can do it alone.

  Patrick breaks down the differences in understanding and experiencing racism in the US between a Black person born in the US and Black people coming from Africa.

  He talks about the exhaustion of dealing with racism every day, and knowing that people of color are getting detained for selling water, harassed for speaking Spanish, or babysitting for white kids.

  Patrick and Simma share their diversity heroes who have stepped up and spoken out against racist actions, and diversity zeroes who have harassed people of color for speaking Spanish, called police on the Black man babysitting two white kids, or going entering his own apartment.

  [caption id="attachment_866" align="alignleft" width="150"] Patrick Tindana[/caption]

  ]]>ca1b9536ddbf4052b93262ce7670135aSat, 27 Oct 2018 15:52:14 -070054:01falsefull114141Episode 13 : African-Americans in the Executive Suite

  Everyday Conversations on Race with Charmaine McClarie and David Casey

  African-Americans in the Executive Suite

  Guests: Charmaine McClarie, senior executive coach and David Casey, Chief Diversity Officer of Fortune 30 pharmaceutical innovation company

  Charmaine McClarie and David Casey share their experience in meeting the challenge of racism and bias as African- American as well as provide sage advice to other African-Americans and everyone else who wants to reach the highest levels of success.

  Conversation topics include:

  • Why the history of slavery is not something African-American people need to "get over."
  
  

  How slavery and the history of slavery courses through the veins and DNA of people whose ancestors were slaves. The history and trauma of slavery and it's aftermath can never be ignored and must be addressed to move forward as a nation.

  • Why Charmaine McClarie says "Essential to one's success is the ability to own your own narrative and know your value. If you don't define yourself, other people will and their definition will be inadequate, Once you have your own narrative you define yourself and you can be yourself."
  
  

  Charmaine shares her experience feeling the power of going to Africa and seeing her original heritage.

  "People need to know their heritage and their identity."

  Being African-American and meeting the challenges of advancing to higher levels

  Both Charmaine and David spoke about not being comfortable in their own skin early on their career journeys. They were worried about how they would be seen because they both experienced usually being the only Black persons in the room. David said he wondered, "Will they think I represent all Black people, and what assumptions do they have?"

  Their advice today to African-American and other people of color who aspire to success is "Don't waste your time getting comfortable. Be comfortable now. Own your narrative and identity."

  Hear how both Charmaine McClarie and David Casey took charge of their careers, began speaking out and taking risks, and having conversations on race with people who don't look like them.

  Listen to this episode of "Everyday Conversations on Race," to learn how to advance through barriers, racial bias, and embrace your identity no matter who you are.

  Was case then and cast now and be the only one

  More power when you walk in the room and see other people who look like you.

  Who do you ask

  Ask people who look like you

  What do you need to know

  What is the barrier

  What are assumptons people might make- so people can make introducitons

  Knew early on and she needed to be ready to embrace her blackness or she was walking into room with a deficit

  What are the contributions that Black people have made

  Where did I get my narrative- my grandparents lived a good life and perservered

  Didn't have her first name on card so wouldn't make assumption

  What are you looking for- you're comfortable or not

  People underestimate based on assumptions- sure it happens-

  Before linkedin- "didn't realize you were Black or African American" I'd be a billionaire

  Taught you have to outperform your peers

  Back to "articulate"

  As person moving up, she says that people who are not Black are coindescending- they don't see her as who she is

  When that happens ask why HR instead of CFO

  What experiences do you want me to have?

  How will we partner together do

  Getting people to support you

  Get witnesses so people know what you're doing

  Who are your advocates

  If someone has a limited view of who you are, are you willing to see me differently?

  Who have been your advocates?

  What kind of support have you had?

  CDO of 2 Fortune 30 companies so he met the CEO

  Spoke that the organizations were serious about diversity

  Ability to meet with the CEO

  Spent time in interview process building trust

  Sponsors and champions

  Be as equal as middle management where everything tends to converge

  Often POC looking for mentors- but just 5% are people of color so good chance a mentor will not be a person of color.

  People make their own assumptions

  No one gets it right all the time

  We all make mistakes and we can learn

  Every time we take a risk, we can learn

  Why did you think that- teaching moment

  Your narrative is your power

  Who you are

  Website

  Mcclariegoup.com

  [caption id="attachment_856" align="alignleft" width="150"] David Casey[/caption]

  David has served as a Chief Diversity Officer for two Fortune 30 corporations, positioning them both as top companies in the country for strategic diversity management.

  Active in the community, David has served and/or currently serves in an advisory and board of director capacity for several national and local organizations, including the American Lung Association, the American Society on Aging, Disability:IN, Advisory the Greater Providence Chamber of Commerce, Skills for Rhode Island's Future, Year Up, the Urban League. He also serves on the advisory boards for the Human Capital Executive Research Board, the i4CP Chief Diversity Officer Board and the National Association of African Americans in HR.

  David has been published or cited in Forbes, the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, The Atlantic, Diversity Inc. Magazine, Drug Store News, Profiles in Diversity Journal, Diversity Global and Diversity Executive, and has appeared on the television series, American Profiles.

  David holds a Bachelor of Science degree in business administration from Indiana Wesleyan University and is a veteran of the United States Marine Corps,here he served for 8 years, including Operation Desert Storm.

  [caption id="attachment_857" align="alignnone" width="150"] Charmaine McClarie[/caption]

  Charmaine McClarie is a C-suite advisor, keynote speaker, executive coach and executive presence authority who helps leaders have their best year ever. She has worked with leaders in 27 industries across five continents. Her clients include top executives from Coca-Cola, Gilead Sciences, Humana, Johnson & Johnson, MasterCard, Starbucks and T-Mobile.

  For more than two decades, 98% of Charmaine's clients are promoted within 18 months. For CEOs, that might mean a promotion to corporate directorship. For other senior leaders, that might mean a promotion from SVP to EVP or even CEO.

  Charmaine works predominately with C-suite leaders and executives with demonstrated readiness to be in the C-suite, coaching them on leadership acumen, communications ability and executive presence.

  Charmaine and her work have been profiled in People, Forbes, Harvard Management Update, The London Times and The New York Times.

  She is on the faculty as a leadership and communications expert at the University of Missouri Kansas City Bloch School of Management, EMBA program, and is a visiting lecturer at the Smith College Executive Education program.

  Please Visit my Website | Connect on LinkedIn | Watch me on YouTube

  Click here to download a vCard for Contact vCard

  ]]>

  Everyday Conversations on Race with Charmaine McClarie and David Casey

  African-Americans in the Executive Suite

  Guests: Charmaine McClarie, senior executive coach and David Casey, Chief Diversity Officer of Fortune 30 pharmaceutical innovation company

  Charmaine McClarie and David Casey share their experience in meeting the challenge of racism and bias as African- American as well as provide sage advice to other African-Americans and everyone else who wants to reach the highest levels of success.

  Conversation topics include:

  • Why the history of slavery is not something African-American people need to "get over."
  
  

  How slavery and the history of slavery courses through the veins and DNA of people whose ancestors were slaves. The history and trauma of slavery and it's aftermath can never be ignored and must be addressed to move forward as a nation.

  • Why Charmaine McClarie says "Essential to one's success is the ability to own your own narrative and know your value. If you don't define yourself, other people will and their definition will be inadequate, Once you have your own narrative you define yourself and you can be yourself."
  
  

  Charmaine shares her experience feeling the power of going to Africa and seeing her original heritage.

  "People need to know their heritage and their identity."

  Being African-American and meeting the challenges of advancing to higher levels

  Both Charmaine and David spoke about not being comfortable in their own skin early on their career journeys. They were worried about how they would be seen because they both experienced usually being the only Black persons in the room. David said he wondered, "Will they think I represent all Black people, and what assumptions do they have?"

  Their advice today to African-American and other people of color who aspire to success is "Don't waste your time getting comfortable. Be comfortable now. Own your narrative and identity."

  Hear how both Charmaine McClarie and David Casey took charge of their careers, began speaking out and taking risks, and having conversations on race with people who don't look like them.

  Listen to this episode of "Everyday Conversations on Race," to learn how to advance through barriers, racial bias, and embrace your identity no matter who you are.

  Was case then and cast now and be the only one

  More power when you walk in the room and see other people who look like you.

  Who do you ask

  Ask people who look like you

  What do you need to know

  What is the barrier

  What are assumptons people might make- so people can make introducitons

  Knew early on and she needed to be ready to embrace her blackness or she was walking into room with a deficit

  What are the contributions that Black people have made

  Where did I get my narrative- my grandparents lived a good life and perservered

  Didn't have her first name on card so wouldn't make assumption

  What are you looking for- you're comfortable or not

  People underestimate based on assumptions- sure it happens-

  Before linkedin- "didn't realize you were Black or African American" I'd be a billionaire

  Taught you have to outperform your peers

  Back to "articulate"

  As person moving up, she says that people who are not Black are coindescending- they don't see her as who she is

  When that happens ask why HR instead of CFO

  What experiences do you want me to have?

  How will we partner together do

  Getting people to support you

  Get witnesses so people know what you're doing

  Who are your advocates

  If someone has a limited view of who you are, are you willing to see me differently?

  Who have been your advocates?

  What kind of support have you had?

  CDO of 2 Fortune 30 companies so he met the CEO

  Spoke that the organizations were serious about diversity

  Ability to meet with the CEO

  Spent time in interview process building trust

  Sponsors and champions

  Be as equal as middle management where everything tends to converge

  Often POC looking for mentors- but just 5% are people of color so good chance a mentor will not be a person of color.

  People make their own assumptions

  No one gets it right all the time

  We all make mistakes and we can learn

  Every time we take a risk, we can learn

  Why did you think that- teaching moment

  Your narrative is your power

  Who you are

  Website

  Mcclariegoup.com

  [caption id="attachment_856" align="alignleft" width="150"] David Casey[/caption]

  David has served as a Chief Diversity Officer for two Fortune 30 corporations, positioning them both as top companies in the country for strategic diversity management.

  Active in the community, David has served and/or currently serves in an advisory and board of director capacity for several national and local organizations, including the American Lung Association, the American Society on Aging, Disability:IN, Advisory the Greater Providence Chamber of Commerce, Skills for Rhode Island's Future, Year Up, the Urban League. He also serves on the advisory boards for the Human Capital Executive Research Board, the i4CP Chief Diversity Officer Board and the National Association of African Americans in HR.

  David has been published or cited in Forbes, the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, The Atlantic, Diversity Inc. Magazine, Drug Store News, Profiles in Diversity Journal, Diversity Global and Diversity Executive, and has appeared on the television series, American Profiles.

  David holds a Bachelor of Science degree in business administration from Indiana Wesleyan University and is a veteran of the United States Marine Corps,here he served for 8 years, including Operation Desert Storm.

  [caption id="attachment_857" align="alignnone" width="150"] Charmaine McClarie[/caption]

  Charmaine McClarie is a C-suite advisor, keynote speaker, executive coach and executive presence authority who helps leaders have their best year ever. She has worked with leaders in 27 industries across five continents. Her clients include top executives from Coca-Cola, Gilead Sciences, Humana, Johnson & Johnson, MasterCard, Starbucks and T-Mobile.

  For more than two decades, 98% of Charmaine's clients are promoted within 18 months. For CEOs, that might mean a promotion to corporate directorship. For other senior leaders, that might mean a promotion from SVP to EVP or even CEO.

  Charmaine works predominately with C-suite leaders and executives with demonstrated readiness to be in the C-suite, coaching them on leadership acumen, communications ability and executive presence.

  Charmaine and her work have been profiled in People, Forbes, Harvard Management Update, The London Times and The New York Times.

  She is on the faculty as a leadership and communications expert at the University of Missouri Kansas City Bloch School of Management, EMBA program, and is a visiting lecturer at the Smith College Executive Education program.

  Please Visit my Website | Connect on LinkedIn | Watch me on YouTube

  Click here to download a vCard for Contact vCard

  ]]>9761a75f346a456f965757e4374360d7Fri, 19 Oct 2018 21:25:03 -070049:22falsefull113131Episode 12 : Race, Immigration and the Cross-race ConvoDownload Episode

  Conversations on Race- Perspectives from a black Ghanaian and a white Hungarian

  Patrick Tindana and Peter Kovacs: a Ghanaian and a Hungarian share stories and perspectives on race as immigrants to the US

  A cross-race conversation about race with Patrick Tindana a black African from Ghana and Peter Kovacs, a white Hungarian

  Key topics:

  Why Patrick Tindana had to leave Ghana for being gay

  What it's like to be from a country where everyone "looks the same" and move to the US

  An African perspective on how experiencing race in the US

  How Patrick and Peter developed relationships with people of different races, and cultures in the US

  Why it's important to talk about race

  Recognizing and understanding the challenges of talking about race with people who are different and people who have been traumatized

  Which immigrants have more privilege and security in the US and which ones are most endangered

  Why lack of empathy for people from different cultures and race cause some people to dehumanize others

  Hope for the future and bringing people together

  Cultural intelligence and why it's essential to get along in today's world

  The role of sharing food and stories can play to bring people together and find surprising connections

  The role that culturally intelligent white people can play to disrupt racism and discrimination

  Using privilege to start conversations across race and other differences

  Intentionally seeking out and engaging with people who are different

  Recognizing trauma amongst different groups

  Tips for having cross-race conversations about race/the need to listen and validate experiences of others

  What white people do to speak up about racism

  ]]>Download Episode

  Conversations on Race- Perspectives from a black Ghanaian and a white Hungarian

  Patrick Tindana and Peter Kovacs: a Ghanaian and a Hungarian share stories and perspectives on race as immigrants to the US

  A cross-race conversation about race with Patrick Tindana a black African from Ghana and Peter Kovacs, a white Hungarian

  Key topics:

  Why Patrick Tindana had to leave Ghana for being gay

  What it's like to be from a country where everyone "looks the same" and move to the US

  An African perspective on how experiencing race in the US

  How Patrick and Peter developed relationships with people of different races, and cultures in the US

  Why it's important to talk about race

  Recognizing and understanding the challenges of talking about race with people who are different and people who have been traumatized

  Which immigrants have more privilege and security in the US and which ones are most endangered

  Why lack of empathy for people from different cultures and race cause some people to dehumanize others

  Hope for the future and bringing people together

  Cultural intelligence and why it's essential to get along in today's world

  The role of sharing food and stories can play to bring people together and find surprising connections

  The role that culturally intelligent white people can play to disrupt racism and discrimination

  Using privilege to start conversations across race and other differences

  Intentionally seeking out and engaging with people who are different

  Recognizing trauma amongst different groups

  Tips for having cross-race conversations about race/the need to listen and validate experiences of others

  What white people do to speak up about racism

  ]]>603b483ec9054b85bd4cbab701b73aa9Thu, 11 Oct 2018 21:39:20 -070049:06falsefull112121Episode 11 : Hassan Zee-Race and Equity from PakistanGuest is Hassan Zee and he talks about life and difficulties he felt in Pakistan and moving in another country. Main topics are Race and Equity.

  • How Hassan Zee handled racism when he came to the US

  • The need to stop generalizing all Asians. There is no one culture throughout Asia

  • How one person can make a difference in the race conversation.

  • Hear how an older White woman named Julie Halvorsen had a major impact on the life and career or Hassan Zee when he moved here from Pakistan

  • Why issues of gender, women's empowerment, and equity are important to Hassan Zee and people in Pakistan.

  • Why seeing people's humanity across race is crucial to collaborating and helping people be successful

  ]]>Guest is Hassan Zee and he talks about life and difficulties he felt in Pakistan and moving in another country. Main topics are Race and Equity.

  • How Hassan Zee handled racism when he came to the US

  • The need to stop generalizing all Asians. There is no one culture throughout Asia

  • How one person can make a difference in the race conversation.

  • Hear how an older White woman named Julie Halvorsen had a major impact on the life and career or Hassan Zee when he moved here from Pakistan

  • Why issues of gender, women's empowerment, and equity are important to Hassan Zee and people in Pakistan.

  • Why seeing people's humanity across race is crucial to collaborating and helping people be successful

  ]]>d47c26ca40774228bdf320b757c680adThu, 04 Oct 2018 22:17:01 -070055:10falsefull111111Episode 10 : Black, Jewish, Orthodox Rabbi-MaNishtanaJewish, Orthodox Rabbi and African-American, MaNishtana enters the race convo as a voice of young Jewish leaders who speak out on issues of race, racial justice and religion in the Jewish community and beyond. He shares his experiences, perspective and Jewish philosophy with us in all of these areas. MaNishtana is a speaker, blogger, screenwriter and author of two books. He is the author of "Thoughts From a Unicorn, 100% Black, 100% Jewish, 100% Safe Episode highlights with MaNishtana:
  • Racial stereotypes within US Judaism and the outside world
  • The intersection of race, religion and social justice
  • How racism, immigration, and climate change are all Jewish issues
  • Dealing with other people's bias, stereotypes and assumptions toward him as a Black Jewish man and an orthodox rabbi.
  • Making the world a better place for Jews of Color
  
  
  ]]>Jewish, Orthodox Rabbi and African-American, MaNishtana enters the race convo as a voice of young Jewish leaders who speak out on issues of race, racial justice and religion in the Jewish community and beyond. He shares his experiences, perspective and Jewish philosophy with us in all of these areas. MaNishtana is a speaker, blogger, screenwriter and author of two books. He is the author of "Thoughts From a Unicorn, 100% Black, 100% Jewish, 100% Safe Episode highlights with MaNishtana:
  • Racial stereotypes within US Judaism and the outside world
  • The intersection of race, religion and social justice
  • How racism, immigration, and climate change are all Jewish issues
  • Dealing with other people's bias, stereotypes and assumptions toward him as a Black Jewish man and an orthodox rabbi.
  • Making the world a better place for Jews of Color
  
  
  ]]>edf9a89432f54c67beaab0bb93ed3e62Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:35:27 -070032:06falsefull1010How To Be An Ally Across the Race ConvoIn Episode 9 Guest is LeRon Barton
  ]]>In Episode 9 Guest is LeRon Barton
  ]]>16b4b979fb174f50b04d07d284208b6eWed, 19 Sep 2018 22:43:41 -070048:25falsefull99Episode 8 : Collision of Race & Religion24ac48c6f36d4119bd7857e6e6e064d5Wed, 29 Aug 2018 22:33:11 -070048:52falsefull88Episode 7 : Race, Racism and 3 Emmys Producing OprahEveryday Conversations on Race for Everyday People Episode 7- Race, Racism and 3 Emmys Producing Oprah

  Race, racism and racial bias are still challenges that people of color have to contend with in the pursuit of success. Engaging in everyday conversations on race, with people different than you is one way to reduce racism and racial bias. It's widely accepted that a Black person in America has to be at least twice, and even three or four times as good as a white person with similar qualifications.

  Growing up in a lower-income Black neighborhood in North Carolina. my guest LeGrande Green heard his father tell him over and over, "A Black person in America has to be at least twice as good as a white person with the same qualifications to be successful." LeGrande used those words to propel him forward.

  He graduated Princeton on a full academic scholarship, received four Emmy Awards as supervising producer of the Oprah Winfrey Show, and the NAACP Image Award. Even at that level of success, he still had to confront racism, and racial bias as a Black man in America. In this podcast episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, LeGrande talks about his journey to the top, only to lose it all and find himself as a Black, gay man in America. Key points from Episode 7 Race, Racism and Producing Oprah

  • Issues of safety as a Black man in America
  • Intersectionality of race, sexual orientation (LGBTQ,) and age- "So to me aging is about wisdom and about acknowledging the past, present and how I want to live my life" (LeGrande Green)
  • The reality of race and being called paranoid for calling racism
  • Race is not a scientific reality, but it is a social construct and it's about color
  • No matter how successful you are as a person of color, you still have to confront racism and racial bias.
  • Internalized racism, self-esteem and eliminting self-doubt that is self-destructive
  • Racism, agism and invisibililty in the LGBTQ community
  • Speaking out against racial profiling
  • Why we need everday conversations on race to eliminate racism
  
  

  Thanks for listening Thanks for joining us on today's episode of Everyday Conversations on Race podcast! If you enjoyed today's episode, please head over to iTunes and leave us a rate and review to help us get our message about how to talk about race to more people. Remember to check out www.raceconvo.com and listen to other episodes.

  ]]>Everyday Conversations on Race for Everyday People Episode 7- Race, Racism and 3 Emmys Producing Oprah

  Race, racism and racial bias are still challenges that people of color have to contend with in the pursuit of success. Engaging in everyday conversations on race, with people different than you is one way to reduce racism and racial bias. It's widely accepted that a Black person in America has to be at least twice, and even three or four times as good as a white person with similar qualifications.

  Growing up in a lower-income Black neighborhood in North Carolina. my guest LeGrande Green heard his father tell him over and over, "A Black person in America has to be at least twice as good as a white person with the same qualifications to be successful." LeGrande used those words to propel him forward.

  He graduated Princeton on a full academic scholarship, received four Emmy Awards as supervising producer of the Oprah Winfrey Show, and the NAACP Image Award. Even at that level of success, he still had to confront racism, and racial bias as a Black man in America. In this podcast episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, LeGrande talks about his journey to the top, only to lose it all and find himself as a Black, gay man in America. Key points from Episode 7 Race, Racism and Producing Oprah

  • Issues of safety as a Black man in America
  • Intersectionality of race, sexual orientation (LGBTQ,) and age- "So to me aging is about wisdom and about acknowledging the past, present and how I want to live my life" (LeGrande Green)
  • The reality of race and being called paranoid for calling racism
  • Race is not a scientific reality, but it is a social construct and it's about color
  • No matter how successful you are as a person of color, you still have to confront racism and racial bias.
  • Internalized racism, self-esteem and eliminting self-doubt that is self-destructive
  • Racism, agism and invisibililty in the LGBTQ community
  • Speaking out against racial profiling
  • Why we need everday conversations on race to eliminate racism
  
  

  Thanks for listening Thanks for joining us on today's episode of Everyday Conversations on Race podcast! If you enjoyed today's episode, please head over to iTunes and leave us a rate and review to help us get our message about how to talk about race to more people. Remember to check out www.raceconvo.com and listen to other episodes.

  ]]>7c91243c7d55459c92894b099bfbcc40Wed, 22 Aug 2018 21:03:34 -070057:32falsefull1771Episode 6: Race, Mental Health, Domestic Violence, and the Criminal Justice SystemRace plays in important role in issues of mental health, domestic violence and treatment. Race and whether someone is a pearson of color or white, impacts who goes to jail, who gets help and who is ignored. Gerald Chambers, MFT at www.GeraldChambers.com shares his experience and insight about these issues and more on Everyday Conversations About Race for Everyday People. According to Gerald, research shows that the darker the skin tone, the more likely the conviction and the harsher the sentence. Want to hear more, download and listen.
  ]]>Race plays in important role in issues of mental health, domestic violence and treatment. Race and whether someone is a pearson of color or white, impacts who goes to jail, who gets help and who is ignored. Gerald Chambers, MFT at www.GeraldChambers.com shares his experience and insight about these issues and more on Everyday Conversations About Race for Everyday People. According to Gerald, research shows that the darker the skin tone, the more likely the conviction and the harsher the sentence. Want to hear more, download and listen.
  ]]>3cacf415e4464d4aad3440e07ddbe4b4Thu, 09 Aug 2018 11:01:38 -070054:40falsefull66Episode 5: Redemption After Racism, How to Talk About Race With LoveYou'll hear Priya Klocek, an Indian-American woman and Dante King, an African-American man, both diversity, equity and inclusion evangelists talk about when holding people accountable for past behaviors helps or hinders the race conversation.

  Can we allow for change, new perspectives and education? Can we correct people with love and help them grow? When is an apology an excuse to continue racist behavior? How do we have the race convo with love and disrupt racism?

  Listen to Talking About Race With Love and afterwards weigh in with your thoughts.

  ]]>You'll hear Priya Klocek, an Indian-American woman and Dante King, an African-American man, both diversity, equity and inclusion evangelists talk about when holding people accountable for past behaviors helps or hinders the race conversation.

  Can we allow for change, new perspectives and education? Can we correct people with love and help them grow? When is an apology an excuse to continue racist behavior? How do we have the race convo with love and disrupt racism?

  Listen to Talking About Race With Love and afterwards weigh in with your thoughts.

  ]]>314214dbcc9a4aaabc71a1c0d3f7faadFri, 03 Aug 2018 09:13:26 -070047:30falsefull55Episode 4: The Diversity Calling - Building Community One Story at a Time947514fa08ed4927b94dd8667f5d26b2Mon, 23 Jul 2018 12:17:58 -070053:48falsefull44