Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

TikTok: @mariosikora

Maria Jose Munita:

IG: @mjmunita

Podcasts:

Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/

The Narrative Tradition

Terry Saracino:

Christopher Copeland:

Narrative Podcasts:

The Enneagram Institute

Gayle Scott:

Michael Naylor:

Mental Health Toolkit: Tools to Bolster Your Mood & Mental Health

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans

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Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership Community

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks

Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @_creekmore
Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

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Growth & Farewell: The Map, The Work, and the Way Forward (Part 2)

Liminal Podcasts — Thu, 03 Jul 2025 09:00:00 -0400

In Part 2, we unpack our thoughts on what the Enneagram teachers shared in our last episode. You'll hear us compare and contrast the models, and share what resonated with us, as well as what we'd like to see evolve, and we explore how we plan to synthesize all we've learned and carry it forward. We are so very grateful to our six teachers for their gift of time and knowledge, and their incredible generosity.

Awareness to Action

Enneagram on Demand - Certification Program

Mario Sikora:

TikTok: @mariosikora

Maria Jose Munita:

IG: @mjmunita

Podcasts:

Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/

The Narrative Tradition

Terry Saracino:

Christopher Copeland:

Narrative Podcasts:

The Enneagram Institute

Gayle Scott:

Michael Naylor:

—

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans

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Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership Community

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks

Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @_creekmore
Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

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Growth & Farewell: The Map, The Work, and the Way Forward (Part 1)

Liminal Podcasts — Thu, 03 Jul 2025 08:45:00 -0400

As we begin wrapping up season 5, we're answering the question, "What now?" We've looked at all seven types through the lens of three influential models, but how do we actually apply it? As we say our goodbyes, we ask our six teachers how their models contribute to growth and transformation, as well as their hopes for the future evolution of the Enneagram.

Enneagram on Demand - Certification Program

Mario Sikora:

TikTok: @mariosikora

Maria Jose Munita:

IG: @mjmunita

Podcasts:

Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/

The Narrative Tradition

Terry Saracino:

Christopher Copeland:

Narrative Podcasts:

The Enneagram Institute

Gayle Scott:

Michael Naylor:

Do It For The Gram Podcast

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans

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Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership Community

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks

Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @_creekmore
Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

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Type 7: The Pursuit of Freedom, Possibility, and Joy

Liminal Podcasts — Thu, 19 Jun 2025 08:30:00 -0400

The focal point of this podcast episode revolves around the exploration of Type Seven within the Enneagram framework, characterized by their intrinsic desire for excitement and aversion to emotional pain. We delve into the complexities of the Seven's experience, emphasizing the multifaceted nature of their personality, which is often misunderstood as superficiality. Through thoughtful discourse, we unravel the dichotomy of their vibrant exterior contrasted with the profound emotional depth they possess, often hidden beneath a facade of joy. By sharing personal anecdotes and insights, we aim to illuminate the rich inner world of Sevens, fostering a greater understanding of their motivations and challenges. The dialogue further encourages listeners to reflect on their own interactions and perceptions of this dynamic type, inviting a deeper appreciation for the nuanced layers that define the Seven's journey.

Human Interview: Milton Stewart

kaizencareers.com

The Enneagram Institute

Type 7

The Narrative Enneagram

Type 7

Awareness to Action

Type 7

Awareness to Action

Enneagram on Demand - Certification Program

Mario Sikora:

TikTok: @mariosikora

Maria Jose Munita:

IG: @mjmunita

Podcasts:

Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/

The Narrative Tradition

Terry Saracino:

Christopher Copeland:

Narrative Podcasts:

The Enneagram Institute

Gayle Scott:

Michael Naylor:

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans

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Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership Community

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks

Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @_creekmore
Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

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Type 6: The Search for Security, Certainty, and Courage

Liminal Podcasts — Tue, 03 Jun 2025 08:30:00 -0400

The salient focus of our discourse today revolves around the exploration of Type 6 within the Enneagram framework, characterized predominantly by a quest for security and an instinctive response to perceived threats. Throughout this episode, I engage with nine distinguished speakers, each contributing unique insights into the complexities that define this personality type. We delve into the dual expressions of Type 6, namely the phobic and counterphobic tendencies, highlighting how both seek safety albeit through divergent methodologies. The conversation further touches upon the intrinsic relationship between fear and courage, elucidating how these emotions coexist and inform the behaviors of Type 6 individuals. As we navigate these profound themes, our aim is to foster a comprehensive understanding of Type 6, encouraging listeners to reflect on how these dynamics may manifest in their own lives and in their interactions with others.

Human Interview: Ben Campbell

Website

Instagram

Awareness to Action

Type 6

The Enneagram Institute

Type 6

The Narrative Enneagram

Type 6

Enneagram on Demand - Certification Program

Mario Sikora:

TikTok: @mariosikora

Maria Jose Munita:

IG: @mjmunita

Podcasts:

Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/

The Narrative Tradition

Terry Saracino:

Christopher Copeland:

Narrative Podcasts:

The Enneagram Institute

Gayle Scott:

Michael Naylor:

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans

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Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership Community

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks

Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @_creekmore
Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

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Type 5: The Quest for Knowledge, Understanding, and Self-Sufficiency

Liminal Podcasts — Wed, 21 May 2025 08:30:00 -0400

The focal point of today's discourse revolves around the Enneagram Type Five, characterized by their profound inclination towards detachment and observation as a means of navigating an overwhelmingly stimulating world. We delve into the complexities inherent in the Five’s experience, particularly emphasizing their heightened sensitivity, which often compels them to create emotional distance from their surroundings. Throughout our dialogue, various participants elucidate the nuances of the Five's emotional landscape, shedding light on the intricate interplay between intellect and feeling that defines their existence. Additionally, we reflect upon the common misconceptions surrounding Fives, particularly the notion that they are devoid of emotion, highlighting instead their rich internal life and the necessity for connection. As we progress, we invite listeners to consider how understanding Type Five can foster deeper empathy and insight into their own experiences and those of others.

HUMAN INTERVIEW: Melissa Kircher

The Enneagram Institute

Type 5

Awareness to Action

Type 5

The Narrative Enneagram

Type 5

Awareness to Action

Enneagram on Demand - Certification Program

Mario Sikora:

TikTok: @mariosikora

Maria Jose Munita:

IG: @mjmunita

Podcasts:

Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/

The Narrative Tradition

Terry Saracino:

Christopher Copeland:

Narrative Podcasts:

The Enneagram Institute

Gayle Scott:

Michael Naylor:

—

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans

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Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership Community

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks

Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @_creekmore
Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

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A Preview of IEA Enneagram Experience 2025

Liminal Podcasts — Wed, 14 May 2025 03:30:00 -0400

In this special collaborative episode with Do It for The Gram, the International Enneagram Association Podcast and Fathoms, Milton Stewart is joined by Seth “Creek” Creekmore, Lindsey Marks and Lee Fields as they preview the upcoming IEA Enneagram Experience 2025 - Global Conference and Celebration. All four hosts will be in attendance, so they share what they are looking forward to at this summer’s annual event while also reflecting on this year’s theme — 30 years honoring Enneagram pioneers and future frontiers.

The Fathoms team will continue to host the IEA podcast with the traditional long form interviews with legendary figures as well as collect personal stories from attendees to deeply humanize this work. In their current Season Five, Fathoms has been focusing on the history of the Enneagram from the perspective of different schools and models to get a fuller picture of how they’ve come into this tool, providing an important and better framework and grounding before the conference.

Milton's Links and Handles:

Join KCEP Program: kaizen-enneagram-community.mn.co

The B.I.G. Enneagram Retreat: bigenneagramretreat.simvoly.com/application

Milton's Website: KaizenCareers.com

Upcoming Events: kaizencareers.com/upcoming-events

IEA Links:

IEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.com

IEA Podcast: international-enneagram.captivate.fm

Connect with Creek:

Instagram: @_creekmore

Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B

Connect with Lindsey:

IG: @lindseyfaithdm

Connect with Lee:

Web: enneagrammatic.com

IG: @enneagrammatic

Enneagram on Demand - Certification Program

Mario Sikora:

TikTok: @mariosikora

Maria Jose Munita:

IG: @mjmunita

Podcasts:

Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/

The Narrative Tradition

Terry Saracino:

Christopher Copeland:

Narrative Podcasts:

The Enneagram Institute

Gayle Scott:

Michael Naylor:

Out of the Box & Into the Wild: An Enneagram Journey Through the Triads of Nature

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans

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Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership Community

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks

Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @_creekmore
Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

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Type 4: The Longing for Depth, Authenticity, and Uniqueness

Liminal Podcasts — Thu, 08 May 2025 08:30:00 -0400

The focal point of this podcast episode revolves around the exploration of Enneagram Type Four, often perceived as the individualistic or romantic type, characterized by a profound longing for identity and uniqueness. Our discussion delves into the complexities of the emotional landscape of Fours, emphasizing their capacity for creativity and introspection, as well as the challenges they face with feelings of inadequacy and longing for connection. Throughout the episode, we engage in a rigorous examination of how Fours navigate their emotional depths and the societal perceptions that often label them as overly sensitive or melancholic. The insights offered by our guests illuminate the paradoxes inherent in the Four's journey—balancing the pursuit for meaning with the acceptance of the mundane aspects of life. Ultimately, we aim to foster a deeper understanding of Type Fours, inviting listeners to appreciate the rich and nuanced experiences that define this unique personality type.

Human Interview: Stephanie Spencer

WEBSITE

stephaniejspencer.com

BOOKS

Beyond Your Number

Awareness to Action

Type 4

The Enneagram Institute

Type 4

The Narrative Enneagram

Type 4

Jerry Seinfeld on writers block

Awareness to Action

Enneagram on Demand - Certification Program

Mario Sikora:

TikTok: @mariosikora

Maria Jose Munita:

IG: @mjmunita

Podcasts:

Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/

The Narrative Tradition

Terry Saracino:

Christopher Copeland:

Narrative Podcasts:

The Enneagram Institute

Gayle Scott:

Michael Naylor:

The Enneagram Workshop Podcast

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans

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Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership Community

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks

Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @_creekmore
Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

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Type 3: The Pursuit of Success, Identity, and Value

Liminal Podcasts — Thu, 24 Apr 2025 08:30:00 -0400

This podcast episode delves into the complexities of the Enneagram Type 3, also known as "The Achiever." We explore the dichotomy of striving for excellence while grappling with the inherent anxieties of performance and recognition. A special guest, Vanessa Fernandez, shares her personal journey in understanding her threeness, articulating the challenges of balancing ambition with authenticity. Throughout the discussion, we highlight the often-overlooked emotional depth and relational dynamics of Type 3 individuals, emphasizing that their drive for success is not merely superficial but deeply intertwined with their sense of self-worth. As we navigate these themes, we encourage listeners to reflect on their own experiences and perceptions surrounding achievement and recognition.

HUMAN INTERVIEW: Vanessa Fernandez

WEBSITE

Enneagramworkshop.com

PODCAST

The Enneagram Institute

Type 3

The Narrative Enneagram

Type 3

Awareness to Action

Type 3

Enneagram on Demand - Certification Program

Mario Sikora:

TikTok: @mariosikora

Maria Jose Munita:

IG: @mjmunita

Podcasts:

Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/

The Narrative Tradition

Terry Saracino:

Christopher Copeland:

Narrative Podcasts:

The Enneagram Institute

Gayle Scott:

Michael Naylor:

Letting Go, Finding You: Uncover Your Truest Self through the Enneagram and Contemplation

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans

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Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership Community

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks

Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @_creekmore
Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

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Type 2: The Heartfelt Drive to Give, Support, and Connect

Liminal Podcasts — Thu, 10 Apr 2025 08:30:00 -0400

The primary focus of this podcast episode revolves around the exploration of Enneagram Type 2, often referred to as "the Helper." We delve into the intricacies of this type, examining the motivations that drive individuals characterized by this type to seek connection and affirmation through their relationships with others. In particular, we scrutinize the potential for mistyping, as Type 2s may exhibit traits that overlap with other Enneagram types, such as Sevens and Nines, leading to confusion in self-identification. The conversation further highlights the emotional nuances and inherent challenges faced by Type 2s, including the struggle with boundaries and the tendency to prioritize others' needs over their own. Throughout our discourse, we aim to provide listeners with a deeper understanding of the complexities of Type 2, offering insights that may facilitate personal growth and interpersonal dynamics.

Human Interview: Hunter Mobley

Forty Days on Being a Two

The Narrative Enneagram - Type 2

The Enneagram Institute - Type 2

Awareness to Action - Type 2

Awareness to Action

Enneagram on Demand - Certification Program

Mario Sikora:

TikTok: @mariosikora

Maria Jose Munita:

IG: @mjmunita

Podcasts:

Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/

The Narrative Tradition

Terry Saracino:

Christopher Copeland:

Narrative Podcasts:

The Enneagram Institute

Gayle Scott:

Michael Naylor:

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans

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Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership Community

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks

Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @_creekmore
Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

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Type 1: The Pursuit of Goodness, Integrity, and Order

Liminal Podcasts — Thu, 27 Mar 2025 08:30:00 -0400

The focal point of this podcast episode is a thorough exploration of Type One in the Enneagram, often referred to as the "Reformer" or "Perfectionist." This discussion encompasses the characteristics of Type One, such as their principled nature, commitment to integrity, and the relentless pursuit of improvement. Throughout the dialogue, we delve into the intricate dynamics of the inner critic that Ones frequently experience, highlighting how this internal voice shapes their actions and interactions. Additionally, we examine the manifestations of their striving for perfection, noting the balance between their desire to reform and the acceptance of imperfection in themselves and others. As we engage with various speakers, we endeavor to provide a comprehensive understanding of the One's journey, emphasizing their inherent warmth and altruism beneath the surface of their idealistic aspirations.

Human Interview: Micky ScottBey Jones - Website

Awareness to Action

Enneagram on Demand - Certification Program

Mario Sikora:

TikTok: @mariosikora

Maria Jose Munita:

IG: @mjmunita

Podcasts:

Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/

The Narrative Tradition

Terry Saracino:

Christopher Copeland:

Narrative Podcasts:

The Enneagram Institute

Gayle Scott:

Michael Naylor:

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans

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Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership Community

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks

Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @_creekmore
Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

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Lindsey's Not A Two

Liminal Podcasts — Mon, 17 Mar 2025 16:50:00 -0400

Lee Fields joins as Lindsey discusses the realization that she was mistyped as a Type Two. This conversation highlights that identifying an Enneagram type is a lot harder than people think, so mistyping can happen. Initially thinking she was a Type Two, Lindsey shares why she thought she fit into this type and how learning that she's in fact a different type has helped her grow as a person.

Lee Fields - Enneagrammatic

Awareness to Action

Enneagram on Demand - Certification Program

Mario Sikora:

TikTok: @mariosikora

Maria Jose Munita:

IG: @mjmunita

Podcasts:

Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/

The Narrative Tradition

Terry Saracino:

Christopher Copeland:

Narrative Podcasts:

The Enneagram Institute

Gayle Scott:

Michael Naylor:

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans

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Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership Community

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks

Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @_creekmore
Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

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Type 9: The Significance of Peace, Presence, and Harmony

Liminal Podcasts — Thu, 13 Mar 2025 08:30:00 -0400

In our discourse on Enneagram Type Nine, we collectively unpack the layers of the Peacemaker's identity, guided by the insights of my fellow speakers. We begin by defining pivotal terms such as 'type', 'strategy', and 'pattern', which serve as foundational concepts for our exploration. The conversation transitions into examining how Nines often embody a facade of peace while grappling with underlying anxieties and fears. This dichotomy is crucial, as it reveals the struggle for authenticity that many Nines face. Each speaker contributes unique perspectives on the Nine's journey of self-discovery, articulating the balance between maintaining external harmony and asserting personal significance. We also reflect on how Nines may inadvertently suppress their own needs to avoid conflict, ultimately leading to feelings of frustration and invisibility. This episode provides a compelling narrative that underscores the importance of self-acceptance and the courage it takes for Nines to assert their voices within a world that often overlooks them.

Caryn Berley

Awareness to Action

Enneagram on Demand - Certification Program

Mario Sikora:

TikTok: @mariosikora

Maria Jose Munita:

IG: @mjmunita

Podcasts:

Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/

The Narrative Tradition

Terry Saracino:

Christopher Copeland:

Narrative Podcasts:

The Enneagram Institute

Gayle Scott:

Michael Naylor:

Restorative Grief by Mandy Capehart

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans

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Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership Community

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks

Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @_creekmore
Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

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Type 8: Power to Control, Connect and Protect

Liminal Podcasts — Thu, 27 Feb 2025 07:30:00 -0400

This episode delves into the intricate dimensions of the Enneagram Type 8, characterized by its assertive and dynamic nature. We engage in a profound discussion with Mandy Capehart, who shares her personal insights and experiences, illuminating the complexities of navigating grief and power in relation to this type. Mandy, alongside the three esteemed educators from various Enneagram schools, enriches our understanding by articulating how Type 8 individuals embody strength, yet are often misperceived as solely aggressive. Our conversation traverses the nuanced interplay of empathy and directness, revealing how Type 8s can wield their inherent power not merely through control, but through fostering connection and support for others. This episode ultimately serves as an exploration of the transformative potential within Type 8, encouraging listeners to reflect upon their own relationships with power and vulnerability.

mandycapehart.com

TYPE 8

The Narrative Enneagram - type 8

The Enneagram Institute - type8

Awareness to Action - type 8

CENTERS

The Narrative Enneagram - centers

The Enneagram Institute - centers

Awareness To Action - why we don't teach them

WINGS

The Enneagram Institute - wings

The Narrative Enneagram - wings

Awareness to Action - what did you do with the wings?

LINES

Awareness to Action - neglected & support strategies

The Narrative Enneagram - stress & security

The Enneagram Institute - growth & stress

Awareness to Action

Enneagram on Demand - Certification Program

Mario Sikora:

TikTok: @mariosikora

Maria Jose Munita:

IG: @mjmunita

Podcasts:

Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/

The Narrative Tradition

Terry Saracino:

Christopher Copeland:

Narrative Podcasts:

The Enneagram Institute

Gayle Scott:

Michael Naylor:

IEA Pod: Exploring the Instincts & Subtypes pt 1

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans

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Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership Community

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks

Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @_creekmore
Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

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Instincts, Instinctual Biases and Subtypes: A Primer

Liminal Podcasts — Thu, 13 Feb 2025 08:30:00 -0400

The core focus of this episode revolves around the intricate dynamics of the instincts, or instinctual biases within the Enneagram framework, specifically addressing the distinctions between the various schools of thought on this subject. We examine the varying perspectives offered by our esteemed teachers, highlighting how these biases or drives can influence behavior and interpersonal relations, while also considering their implications for personal development. As we engage in this multifaceted conversation, we invite listeners to reflect on their own experiences and observations regarding these instinctual drives, as they are essential in shaping our interactions and self-perceptions. Ultimately, we aim to illuminate the complexities and provide clarity on how the instincts can be harnessed for greater self-awareness and growth.

Resources:

The Narrative Tradition - https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/programs/instincts-subtypes-3/

The Enneagram Institute - https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/how-the-enneagram-system-works/#h-the-three-instincts

Awareness to Action - https://awarenesstoaction.com/our-instinctual-biases-three-patterns-of-attention-and-values-and-how-they-shape-the-way-we-work/

IEA Pod: Exploring the Instincts & Subtypes pt 2

IEA Pod: Exploring the Instincts & Subtypes pt 3

Cognitive Bias Resources - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias

Logical Fallacies - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

Science Books

“Behave” by Robert Sapolsky

“Social Chemistry” by Marissa King

7 ½ Lessons About the Brain” by Lisa Feldman Barrett

“The Selfish Gene” by Richard Dawkins

“Basic Instinct: The Genesis of Behavior” by Mark S. Blumberg

“A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century” by Heather Heying and Bret Weinstein

Don't Forget a Huge List of Resources Recommended by Fathoms and Our Teachers!

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Found HERE

Awareness to Action

Enneagram on Demand - Certification Program

Mario Sikora:

TikTok: @mariosikora

Maria Jose Munita:

IG: @mjmunita

Podcasts:

Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/

The Narrative Tradition

Terry Saracino:

Christopher Copeland:

Narrative Podcasts:

The Enneagram Institute

Gayle Scott:

Michael Naylor:

The origin of the Enneagram - Claudio Naranjo speaks - June 2010

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans

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Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership Community

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks

Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
Follow Creek: @_creekmore
Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

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The History of the Enneagram: Model, Myth or Method for Change?

Liminal Podcasts — Thu, 30 Jan 2025 05:00:00 -0400

This podcast episode delves into the rich and complex history of the Enneagram, highlighting its origins and the various schools of thought that have shaped its understanding today. The conversation explores how the Enneagram serves as both a tool for personal growth and a map for navigating human experiences, emphasizing the importance of historical context in shaping contemporary interpretations. Key figures such as Oscar Ichazo, Claudio Naranjo, and the founders of the Riso Hudson Institute are discussed, illustrating their contributions to the Enneagram's development as a personality model. The hosts and guests reflect on the significance of integrating historical narratives with personal experiences, urging listeners to recognize the fluidity and evolving nature of this ancient wisdom. With insights from various experts, this episode encourages a deeper understanding of how historical perspectives inform present practices in the Enneagram community and our daily lives.

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Resources

Podcast Episodes:

Milo Rossi & Flint Dibble - Bridges Podcast (The Importance of Accurate History)
The Art of the Unknown - Hidden Brain (History is super complex)
The Enneagram in the Narrative Tradition - “Spotlights on Helen Palmer”
Where Did the Enneagram Come From Pt 1 - Mario Sikora
Where Did the Enneagram Come From Pt 2 - Mario Sikora
The Dawn of the Enneagram with Russ Hudson - Totem Podcast

Articles:

Letter to the Transpersonal Community - by Claudio Naranjo

Hidden in Plain Sight - Helen Palmer

Mythmaking and the Evolution of the Enneagram of Personality, Part 1 - Mario Sikora

"Nature and Nurture: Acquiring an Enneagram Type,” - Dr. David Daniels

“The Narrative Tradition” - Helen Palmer

The “Levels of Development” - Don Richard Riso

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Awareness to Action

Enneagram on Demand - Certification Program

Mario Sikora:

TikTok: @mariosikora

Maria Jose Munita:

IG: @mjmunita

Podcasts:

The Narrative Tradition

Terry Saracino:

Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/

Christopher Copeland:

Narrative Podcasts:

The Enneagram Institute

Gayle Scott:

Michael Naylor:

Check out his new EP here!

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks

Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts

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Introduction | The Evolution of the Enneagram

Liminal Podcasts — Wed, 15 Jan 2025 06:30:00 -0400

Season five of the podcast marks an exciting new chapter as the hosts dive deep into the Enneagram, exploring its nuances through the lens of three primary schools of thought: the Riso Hudson School, the Narrative Enneagram, and the Awareness to Action approach. This season aims to clarify the often-confusing landscape of Enneagram teachings, offering listeners a resource that distinguishes between various interpretations and encourages critical thinking. The hosts, including Creek, Lindsey, and Abram, share personal insights and updates about their lives, emphasizing the importance of curiosity and openness in understanding the complexities of human behavior. Listeners can expect longer, biweekly episodes filled with engaging conversations and opportunities for interaction. With a focus on creating a clear and accessible framework, this season promises to enrich both newcomers and seasoned enthusiasts alike in their Enneagram journey.

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Trailer | Season 5: The Evolution of the Enneagram

Liminal Podcasts — Thu, 09 Jan 2025 06:00:00 -0400

Join us January 16th for our biggest season yet! In true Fathoms form, we'll be diving into EVERYTHING Enneagram! This will be the first and only stop for everyone trying to get a taste of all things Enneagram, from the history, types, and the most important growth! You'll get to hear from legendary teachers, from different schools, your fellow nerds of all walks of life and of course, plenty of cackling and practical content from your hosts, Abram, Lindsey and Creek! Check below for links to stay connected and support so the content can reach as many people as possible!

Thanks to Christian McClain for his use of his incredible song “Older”

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How To Say Goodbye with Drew Moser

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast — Thu, 05 Dec 2024 06:30:00 -0400

Drew's departure from the Fathoms podcast marks a significant transition for everyone involved, as they reflect on the challenges and growth that come with saying goodbye. Throughout the conversation, Drew shares his journey of reinventing himself after losing his job and the emotional complexities that accompany such a change. The team discusses the importance of acknowledging loss and the value of maintaining connections, even when circumstances evolve. They explore how transitions can lead to personal growth and a deeper understanding of one's identity beyond professional roles. As they reminisce about their shared experiences, the group emphasizes gratitude for the influence and camaraderie they’ve built over the years, affirming that while goodbyes can be painful, they also pave the way for new beginnings.

One of Drew's Favorite Episodes: Conversation | Grief, Hope, & Kindness with Leslie Hershberger

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Bonus | Leslie Flood Hershberger on Shadow Work and Personal Transformation

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast — Thu, 07 Nov 2024 05:30:00 -0400

Leslie Flood Hershberger joins the Fathoms podcast to discuss the Enneagram and its profound implications on personal development, particularly in the context of navigating the second half of life. The conversation begins with Leslie reflecting on her own journey with the Enneagram, a tool she originally approached to better understand those around her—her family, students, and colleagues. As she delved deeper into the Enneagram, Leslie discovered that the true work lies not merely in categorizing personalities but in fostering a genuine presence and awareness of oneself. This shift from a superficial understanding of the Enneagram to a more intimate exploration of personal growth marks a significant evolution in her practice.

Throughout the episode, Leslie emphasizes the importance of acknowledging the complexities of life transitions, particularly as one ages. She discusses how the second half of life often invites individuals to confront their shadows—the parts of themselves they have repressed or neglected. This process is not just about facing discomfort but also about embracing regrets and recognizing their role as teachers. Leslie draws on her extensive experience, highlighting that the journey is unique for everyone; some may begin their second half of life work in their 30s, while others may not engage with it until much later. The deep emotional and spiritual insights shared by Leslie provide listeners with a framework for understanding their own experiences of growth, loss, and transformation.

The episode culminates in a rich discussion about the three centers of intelligence: the head, heart, and body. Leslie proposes a re-evaluation of how these centers are perceived in relation to the Enneagram, suggesting that the body center, often overlooked, is crucial for understanding our instinctual responses. She argues that true emotional connection can only occur when we ground ourselves in our physical sensations and feelings. This perspective not only deepens the understanding of the Enneagram but also serves as a call to action for listeners to integrate these centers into their personal development practices, highlighting the importance of somatic awareness as a gateway to authenticity and presence.

Takeaways:

Leslie Flood Hershberger emphasizes that the Enneagram serves as a tool for self-discovery and personal growth throughout various life stages.
The conversation highlights the importance of integrating emotional awareness into the practice of the Enneagram, especially as one ages.
Understanding the distinction between emotional experiences and somatic feelings can enhance personal transformation work.
In the second half of life, individuals are often asked to let go of attachments that no longer serve them, leading to deeper self-awareness.
Leslie shares insights on how grief and loss profoundly shape one's journey into the second half of life.
The podcast underscores that shadow work can be a powerful portal for personal growth and healing, revealing hidden aspects of ourselves.

Links referenced in this episode:

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Bonus | Being More than Your Type with Sandra C. Smith

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast — Thu, 03 Oct 2024 05:00:00 -0400

In this episode, we talk to Sandra C. Smith, an Enneagram teacher, about her new book, The Enneagram Map to Your Deeper Self: Living Beyond Your Type.

[2:44] Getting to know Sandra through summer-themed questions

[8:26] Sandra’s personal journey with the Enneagram

[12:19] Sandra’s teachers, their influences on her and how they show up in her book

[17:16] Defining type and why is understanding that you’re more than and not just your type is important for your growth

[25:37] How Sandra’s strengths show up as she wrote her book

[29:19] The dualities of the types

[41:39] This yearning to open ourselves to more of what we are

[47:21] Prompt for each type to help them reframe and move beyond their own limited perspective

[52:24] Why we should buy Sandra’s book and where they can buy it

Follow Sandra’s work: Alchemy Works // @sandrasmithalchemyworks // Heart of the Enneagram Podcast // “The Enneagram Map to Your Deeper Self: Living Beyond Your Type”

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Serious Work for Unserious Humans.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

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Finale | Revisiting Ego & Essence with Russ Hudson & Mario Sikora (Part 2)

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast — Thu, 31 Aug 2023 04:00:00 -0400

Here’s Part 2 of our Season Finale: Revisiting Ego & Essence. To end our season, we have a deep and meaningful conversation with enneagram legends Russ Hudson and Mario Sikora on these often used, often misunderstood concepts.

Lee Fields joins the Fathoms crew for this conversation, which always makes us better.

[2:00] How can we move forward with these terms despite the issues?

[13:05] Ego & Essence as bypassing

[19:05] It’s about the process, not a destination

[24:00] Individuality, Mutuality, & Unity in relation to ego and essence

[31:35] Russ’ and Mario’s closing remarks for people using the enneagram

[35:40] The Fathoms Cohosts provide their initial reactions to the conversation

[45:05] How we’ll use the terms “ego” & “essence” moving forward

[60:00] Abram shares a story

[1:01:00] Linz hands out podcast awards to the guys

[1:05:30] Why we do this podcast

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

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Finale | Revisiting Ego & Essence with Russ Hudson & Mario Sikora (Part 1)

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast — Thu, 24 Aug 2023 03:30:00 -0400

It’s here! Part 1 of our season finale: Revisiting Ego & Essence. To end our season, we have a deep and meaningful conversation with enneagram legends Russ Hudson and Mario Sikora on these often used, often misunderstood concepts.

Lee Fields joins the Fathoms crew for this conversation, which always makes us better.

[1:00] A quick recap of this season

[5:30] We talk about (and cringe a bit) our Season 1 episode on Ego & Essence

[12:30] Lindsey’s thoughts about the first episode as a listener

[14:15] Our thoughts behind ending the season with the topic of Ego & Essence

[18:50] Some tips listening to this conversation with Russ & Mario

[23:00] Our conversation with Russ & Mario begins

[25:15] What’s the conversation we need to have today about ego & essence?

[27:45] Having beginner’s mind with ego & essence?

[28:50] Russ & Mario’s first meeting…and first impressions!

[30:45] Their common fascination with zombies

[32:50] What Russ and Mario admire about each other’s enneagram work

[35:45] Russ and Mario’s definition of “ego” and “essence”

[45:00] Examples of how they’ve changed their minds on ego and essence

[55:30] How Mario interprets Russ’ view of ego and essence

[1:00:00] Russ on “essence”

[1:08:00] Mario’s problems with the term “essence”

[1:11:45] Why are still using these words in these ways?

[1:18:45] Lindsey pushes back a bit

Stay tuned for Part 2 of our conversation with Russ & Mario next week!

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks, Drew Moser

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Conversation | Trauma Series Debrief

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast — Thu, 17 Aug 2023 00:45:00 -0400

Today we debrief our three-episode series on trauma. If you haven’t listened to those interviews with Sharon K. Ball, Dr. B, and Miles Adcox, be sure to check them out! We also talk about our next episode, where we revisit the concepts of ego and essence. In that episode we’re joined by enneagram legends Mario Sikora and Russ Hudson!

[2:00] Reflecting on our conversation with Sharon K. Ball, including her 3 m’s: movement, meaningful connections, mindfulness

[5:20] Reflecting on our conversation with Dr. B, including “resilience is not random.”

[14:00] Reflecting on our conversation with Miles Adcox, including his thoughts on projection between therapist and client

[19:40] Setting up our next episode, revisiting Ego and Essence. What we still think, how we’ve changed our views, etc.

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

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Interview | Trauma: Approaching Pain as a Process with Miles Adcox

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast — Thu, 10 Aug 2023 01:30:00 -0400

Today we finish our series of conversations on trauma and personhood with Miles Adcox. He is the Chairman and Owner of Onsite, an internationally-known emotional wellness lifestyle brand that delivers life-changing personal growth workshops, digital mental health master classes, emotionally smart leadership retreats, and residential emotional wellness and trauma treatment. Miles’ work at Onsite has been featured on 20/20, Good Morning America, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Dr. Phil Show, The Doctors, People, Billboard, Marie Claire, and NOW FATHOMS | AN ENNEAGRAM PODCAST!

[1:45] Lightning round questions to get to know Miles

[7:50] What is mental health and emotional wellness?

[10:00] How does Miles approach his work amid the rise of pop psychology?

[17:00] Miles’ cautions regarding the pitfalls of self-help/personal development

[21:00] On “crescendo culture” and the success of Onsite

[27:15] Miles’ talks about Internal Family Systems theory

[30:05] Some practical advice: The 20/10/5 list

[33:30] On clean and dirty pain

[42:10] What should be in our “trauma kit”?

[48:30] Miles’ own experience as a father

[56:15] A current challenge Miles is facing

[58:30] What Miles has to say to mental health professionals and other helpers

Follow Miles at www.milesadcox.com // www.experienceonsite.com

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Interview | Trauma: Victimhood and True Resilience with Dr. Kristin Beasley

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast — Thu, 03 Aug 2023 08:00:00 -0400

We continue our series on trauma and personhood with another conversation with Dr. Kristin Beasley. Dr. B is a clinical psychologist who specializes in trauma and early childhood development. Dr. B helps us clarify terms such as “victim” and “victimhood.” She provides practical insight on how to more compassionately work with those who have experienced trauma and is a wealth of wisdom on cultivating resilience.

[1:00] What is victimhood?

[3:40] The difference between states and. traits

[9:20] Resilience is not random

[10:00] A more compassionate response

[14:50] On true Victim/victimhood and the limits of the terms

[23:40] For those who struggle to acknowledge their victimhood

[33:00] Dr. B’s problem with the “hood” in “victimhood”

[37:30] Resilience starts in the front end of life

[38:30] If Dr. B were president…

[42:15] Developing resilience and respecting those who struggle

[55:45] What we can do to cultivate resilience (in ourselves and in those we help)

Follow Dr B’s work: https://www.drbconnections.com/ [trauma-informed care and resilience training!]

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks, Drew Moser

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Interview | Trauma: Trauma Before Type with Sharon K. Ball

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast — Thu, 27 Jul 2023 05:30:00 -0400

In this first episode on trauma, we interview Sharon K. Ball. Licensed therapist and enneagram professional who specializes in trauma and the enneagram. Sharon is the author of Reclaiming You: Using the Enneagram to Move from Trauma to Resilience.

[1:10] Abram asks Sharon for her “top strength in her Myers-briggs finder” (?)

[2:00] Clarifying some terms: trauma and resilience

[4:15] The 4 Types of Trauma: Chronic, Insidious, Acute, & Complex

[9:30] Big T vs. little t trauma

[12:00] How important is it to label one’s type of trauma?

[16:10] The difference between a stressful experience and a traumatic one

[22:30] On being trauma informed…and not reducing people to a type

[27:40] Finding specific practices for our type

[29:45] The triad of resilience/trauma resolution

[33:00] The difference between an enneagram type as a coping strategy vs. a trauma response.

[36:20] How knowing your type can engage your trauma work

[39:05] How can we honor each other and arrive at a greater sense of unity?

Follow Sharon’s work: @sharonkball // www.ninepaths.com

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks, Drew Moser

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Reflection | Ideology: Developing Courage & Curiosity

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast — Thu, 20 Jul 2023 08:30:00 -0400

In this episode, we reflect upon our recent conversation with singer/songwriter Andy Squyres. If you haven't listened to that episode, go check it out and then come back and reflect with us. We look forward to our next topic, trauma and personhood.

Andy’s Instagram post that inspired our conversation: https://www.instagram.com/p/CgUkgrYOn6M/

Follow Andy’s work at https://andysquyres.com/ and listen to his music!

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks, Drew Moser

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Interview | Ideology: Testing the Paradigms that Shape Us

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast — Thu, 13 Jul 2023 02:00:00 -0400

In this episode, we’re joined by singer/songwriter Andy Squyres (or “song doula” to Linz). Andy is a brilliant creative and a deep thinker who challenges our assumptions about the enneagram and the broader self help world. Andy is familiar with the enneagram but by no means a practitioner. He’s the perfect guest to share much needed perspective about this work we care about so much. His observations and critiques are important for all who use the enneagram. Stick around to the end of this episode, where Andy reads an Instagram post he wrote that inspired our conversation.

[2:00] Creek sets up the conversation on challenging our labels and identities with compassion & Andy’s role as a critic

[5:45] Universal ache and faith deconstruction

[10:15] On the tension of pursuing redemption and when to draw boundaries

[18:00] Andy’s critiques and observations of the self help community

[24:15] On the perils of the enneagram’s popularity

[27:30] Our inability to hold multiple possibilities at the same time

[30:00] On the benefits of being on the outskirts of the enneagram world.

[32:00] On the tension of personal growth and learning to appreciate what simply is

[39:50] Subversion vs. aggression in challenging assumptions

[51:00] On being authentic

Andy’s Instagram post that inspired this conversation: https://www.instagram.com/p/CgUkgrYOn6M/

Follow Andy’s work at https://andysquyres.com/ and listen to his music!

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

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Reflections | Aging: Holding Close and Letting Go

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast — Thu, 06 Jul 2023 05:00:00 -0400

Wrapping up our mini-series on aging and personhood, the Fathoms hosts reflect upon our episodes with the wonderful and wise Clare Loughrige. They also look ahead to our upcoming conversation with poet/musician Andy Squyres, who has some major and important critiques of the enneagram.

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

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Interview | Aging: A Meditation on Grief & Letting Go with Clare Loughrige

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast — Thu, 29 Jun 2023 04:30:00 -0400

In this episode, we have the second of our 2 part conversation with enneagram author and teacher Clare Loughrige. Lindsey talks with Clare about the aging process and how it impacts the dynamics of personhood, especially the “Third Act” of life. Stick around to the end of this one, as Clare provides a specific encouragement for each type and a profound meditation on our futures.

[0:40] The most productive years of our lives…it’s later than you think

[6:05] On fear about growing older

[16:40] Your enneagram type’s various expressions in different seasons of life

[22:00] The wisdom and power of wrinkles to free people

[25:00] The biases against aging

[29:30] An encouragement for each enneagram type in the third act of life

[37:30] Clare leads us through a meditation for our futures . . . our third acts.

Follow Claire’s work: scottandclareloughrige.org. And buy her books!

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

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Interview | Aging: The Gift of the Third Act with Clare Loughrige

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast — Tue, 27 Jun 2023 09:15:00 -0400

In this episode, we have the first of an incredible 2 part conversation with enneagram author and teacher Clare Loughrige. We talk to Clare about the aging process and how it impacts the dynamics of personhood, especially the “Third Act” of life. Have a listen and be on the lookout for part 2 of this series later this week.

[1:40] How Western culture exalts youthfulness, and what to make of this in light of the enneagram’s popularity.

[4:30] The reduction of the enneagram to listicles and the vast wisdom the enneagram truly provides

[6:45] The challenge and the possibility of introducing the enneagram too early.

[7:50] The transition from mentee to mentor

[10:00] The key questions of life’s Third Act

[12:50] Clare’s crash and burn moment

[17:45] The fragility and wisdom that comes with being nearer to death

[24:10] Discussing the “Third Acters” potential for growth and transformation

[29:15] On FLOW in the Third Act of life

Follow Claire’s work: scottandclareloughrige.org. And buy her books!

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

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Reflections | Chronic Illness: Embracing Limitation

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast — Thu, 22 Jun 2023 04:15:00 -0400

In this episode, the Fathoms hosts reflect upon our previous two episodes focused on chronic illness. If you haven’t listened to our conversations with Brook Gurrad and K.J. Ramsey, stop what you’re doing right now and have a listen. The hosts also ask for your help on an upcoming episode, and introduce our next topic we’re exploring in this season.

[1:05] Our insights gained and reflections on chronic illness and personhood.

[8:00] Implications for chronic illness and our enneagram type/style, and a healthier approach to growth/development/improvement

[15:00] Can people change?

[16:00] PLEASE HELP US WITH OUR UPCOMING EPISODE ON EGO AND ESSENCE

[19:00] Introducing our next topic: Aging and Personhood.

[24:00] Aging vs. maturing

[25:30] Cultural messaging for women and men regarding body image

DM us with any thoughts, ideas, or questions for our upcoming ego and essence episode.

OR, leaves us a recording on SpeakPipe: www.speakpipe.com/fathomspodcast

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

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Bonus | 100 Episodes & an Announcement

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast — Thu, 15 Jun 2023 04:00:00 -0400

In this episode, the Fathoms co-hosts, are joined by Lee Fields and Milton Stewart to celebrate Fathoms’ 100th episode and to announce and exciting new partnership with the IEA as temporary hosts of the International Enneagram Association Podcast for this year’s global conference. Listen as they all share what this year’s theme, “Unite & Ignite,” mean to them within the Enneagram community and what they are most looking forward to at the conference.

“I love the Enneagram because it’s a tool for liberation.” - Milton [02:41]

“In relation to what we’ve been building for the past three years of Fathoms, how wide and complex it is to be human, and how the Enneagram is such a beautiful tool to help us navigate that, and I’m looking forward to adding more complexity and seeing how the Enneagram stands up” -Creek [14:16]

“Why is there this factioning, why is there this othering between the new guard and the old guard? What’s up? And it seems like it could be fixed with two lines of dialogue. What needs to happen? And I don’t believe that I’m the secret sauce that’s going to fix all of that, but I believe that naming it and doing something about it and striving to have connections between people is going to be the thing that’s going to do it.” -Lee [19:31]

“Especially in the Enneagram space, we spend so much time looking at ourselves and I feel like this is an opportunity to really look each other in the eye and to see one another more clearly.” -Lindsey [23:34]

“When I think of these United & Ignite, it makes sense to me that we have to come together to experience the fire.” -Abram [30:22]

“I think some of the most meaningful conversations I’ve ever had have been around a campfire and I think that’s a good way to approach a conference like this. It’s kinda like a global campfire of Enneanerds and Enneagram professionals.” -Drew [31:52]

TIMESTAMPS

[00:00] Intro

[01:05] This week’s hosts

[04:59] Icebreakers

[12:13] Most excited at the IEA conference

[21:08] What unite and ignite means

[33:38] Rapid fire questions

Connect with us:

IEA2023.com

Milton Stewart:

IG: @kaizencareers

Web: KaizenCareers.com

Web: Kaizen Enneagram Academy

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Seth "Creek" Creekmore:

IG: @_creekmore

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Seth Abram:

IG: @integratedenneagram

Drew Moser:

IG: @typetrailenneagram

Lindsey Marks:

IG: @lindseyfaithdm