Are "Digital Twins" the future of medicine, or just another marketing buzzword? In the final part of this deep-dive series, Stuart Miller and Maria Sukhareva (author of The AI Realist) break down the technical reality of world models and why true autonomous agents are farther away than you think.

Stuart introduces his 4-Level Maturity Model for AI in healthcare, challenging the industry to move past "dumb dashboards" toward Star Trek-level diagnostics. Meanwhile, Maria explains why China's open-weight models and efficient architectures are currently outpacing the West.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• The "World Model" Myth: Why models like Sora 2 don't actually understand physics—they just predict video sequences.
• Stuart’s 4-Level Maturity Model: How to distinguish between simple data dashboards and a true Level 4 Medical Digital Twin.
• The Human Complexity Problem: Why genetics and real-time biological changes make modeling a human body exponentially harder than modeling an engine.
• Agentic AI vs. Reality: Why most "autonomous agents" today are just a system prompt connected to a SharePoint folder.
• China's AI Advantage: The impact of Huawei chips, open-weight research, and the "Hive Mind" philosophy.
• Practical Advice for Business Leaders: Why you should spend three days building your own agent before buying or selling an AI "employee".

Episode Timestamps:

• 0:00 – What is a true World Model?
• 1:38 – Why Sora and video models struggle with real-world physics
• 4:04 – Stuart's 4-Level Maturity Model for Digital Twins
• 6:20 – The Complexity of Human Genetics: Why DNA isn't fixed
• 9:34 – The Marketing Hype: Digital Twins vs. "Digital Randos"
• 10:14 – Agentic AI: Reality Check on Automation Levels
• 12:00 – The Ethics of Autonomous Agents in Clinical Care
• 14:25 – Practical Tips for Sales, Marketing, and Decision Makers
• 16:50 – Continual Learning: The next big step for Transformers
• 18:13 – Why China is leading in efficient AI research
• 21:17 – Conclusion: Staying Optimistic but Skeptical

Connect with the AI Realists

• Read Stuart Miller on Substack (Haverin): https://haverin.substack.com
• Subscribe to Maria Sukhareva (The AI Realist): https://airealist.substack.com
• Follow Maria Sukhareva on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/msukhareva/
• Follow Stuart Miller on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stuart-miller-haverin/

Is the AI hype cycle finally crashing? In this episode of the Haverin About podcast, Stuart Miller sits down with AI expert and "Realist" author Maria Sukhareva to peel back the curtain on what’s actually happening in the world of Large Language Models (LLMs).

From the perceived "flop" of GPT-5 to the rise of "Vibe Coding," we explore why many AI agents over-promise and under-deliver. If you are a business leader wondering where the Return on Investment (ROI) is for AI, or a developer trying to navigate the "snake eating its own tail" in generated code, this deep dive is for you.

In This Episode, We Discuss:

• The GPT-5 Turning Point: Why Maria believes GPT-5 was an incremental improvement at best and what it means for the "visionary" experts.
• The ROI Gap: Why 25,000 "AI agents" at McKinsey might not be as impactful as they sound.
• Vibe Coding & Productivity: How AI-assisted coding is the only "transformative" use case right now—and the risk of "boring" code and "purple websites".
• Claude vs. ChatGPT: Why Stuart switched to Claude for long-form writing while keeping ChatGPT for research.
• Digital Twins in Healthcare: Moving from engineering models to the "House" diagnostician concept for patient care.
• The Small Model Debate: Why Maria is a "small model skeptic" but sees hope in Chinese innovations like Minimax.

Timestamps:

0:00 – Introduction: The AI Hype Cycle vs. Reality

0:35 – Did GPT-5 Flop? The Shift to AI Skepticism

2:34 – Where is the ROI? Chatbots vs. Useful Agents

4:11 – The "Tulip Investment" Market of the 18th Century

6:19 – What is Vibe Coding?

8:53 – The Snake Eating Its Tail: Model Collapse in Code

11:27 – Why is the Internet Turning Purple?

13:12 – The 5-Model Website Building Experiment

16:18 – Why ChatGPT Leads to "Writing Hell"

18:12 – The Trouble with Prompt Engineering & Attention

20:15 – AI in Healthcare: Interrogating Medical Records

28:20 – The Future of Digital Twins & Master Diagnosticians

34:21 – Large vs. Small Language Models: The Generalization Problem

39:01 – Local AI: Running Minimax on your Desk

Connect with Us:

• Read Stuart Miller on Substack (Haverin): https://haverin.substack.com
• Subscribe to Maria Sukhareva (The AI Realist): https://airealist.substack.com
• Follow Maria Sukhareva on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/msukhareva/
• Follow Stuart Miller on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stuart-miller-haverin/

Keywords: GPT-5, AI Agents, Vibe Coding, AI ROI, LLM Comparison, Claude vs ChatGPT, Digital Twins Healthcare, Maria Sukhareva, Stuart Miller, AI Assisted Coding, Mixture of Experts, Small Language Models.

Is the current AI explosion just another hype cycle, or is there a deep technical foundation we’re missing? In Part 1 of this Haverin About special, Stuart Miller introduces Maria Sukhareva, the voice behind the popular AI Realist Substack.

Maria doesn't just talk about AI—she has lived its evolution. From her early days studying linguistics in the Arctic Circle to building the first NLP departments at BMW and Siemens, Maria provides a "realist" perspective that cuts through the marketing fluff. If you want to understand how translating the Bible led to the creation of Large Language Models (LLMs), or why having 16 GPUs under your desk was once a "luxury," this episode is a must-watch.

Key Insights in This Episode:

• Linguistics vs. Hype: Why Maria’s background in translation and math makes her a skeptic of "overnight" AI experts.
• The Evolution of Attention: How we moved from N-grams and LSTMs to the "Attention is All You Need" transformer era.
• The BMW "Dark Corner": The hilarious story of how the NLP team was hidden inside the Blockchain department just to get access to GPUs.
• The Cloud Cost Crisis: Why training AI models today costs thousands on the cloud compared to the "free" electricity of the past.
• 10,000 Monkeys & Shakespeare: A technical but accessible breakdown of how LLMs use predictive loops to generate output.

Timestamps:

• 0:00 – Meet Maria Sukhareva: The AI Realist.
• 0:54 – Growing up in the Arctic: -40°C and 52 days of vacation.
• 2:08 – NLP vs. Neuro-Linguistic Programming: Clearing the confusion.
• 4:10 – The Bible Corpus: How ancient texts founded modern Machine Translation.
• 5:48 – Hidden in Blockchain: The early NLP days at BMW.
• 8:36 – The GPU "License to Print Money": Nvidia and the cost of the Cloud.
• 10:19 – From the "Dark Corner" to the Generative AI Spotlight at Siemens.
• 13:34 – The Rise of "Instant" AI Experts vs. Technical Reality.
• 15:07 – Predictive Loops: Are LLMs just 10,000 monkeys on typewriters?.
• 17:06 – How to cut through the Marketing Fluff.

Connect with the Guests:

• Subscribe to Maria Sukhareva on Substack (The AI Realist):
• Follow Maria on LinkedIn:
• Follow Stuart Miller on LinkedIn: Keywords: AI Realist, Maria Sukhareva, Stuart Miller, Computational Linguistics, Natural Language Processing, BMW AI, Siemens AI, LLM History, Machine Translation, AI Hype Cycle, Transformer Models, VidIQ SEO.

We cover the "sales math" needed to reverse-engineer your new quota, how to conduct deep-dive account research before you make a call, and the essential "Sales Kickoff (SKO) Survival Guide" to ensure you network effectively without becoming the topic of conversation the next morning.

Whether you are an Account Executive or a Sales Leader, this practical guide will help you build the systems and processes to crush your number this year.

In this episode, we discuss:

1. The Professional Reset: How to analyze your CRM data to find last year's wins and losses.
2. Path to Quota: Using the 3:1 pipeline ratio to calculate exactly what you need to close.
3. Account Intelligence: Why you need to read the bulletin boards and track LinkedIn activity.
4. SKO Rules: How to network with legal teams and why "nothing good happens after midnight."
5. Managing Up: Aligning your sales plan with your manager's P&L pressures.

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With more than 20 years of experience building go-to-market teams across health tech, Brian brings a refreshingly honest perspective on recruiting, hiring, and career survival. From the myth of the “Rolodex hire” to why LinkedIn’s Easy Apply has actually made job searching harder, this conversation pulls back the curtain on how hiring decisions truly get made.

Together, they explore:

1. Why applying to hundreds of jobs often leads nowhere
2. How applicant tracking systems quietly screen out great candidates
3. The behavioral traits hiring managers say they want vs. what they actually hire for
4. Why “always be recruiting” applies to candidates, not just recruiters
5. Common mistakes companies make when hiring sales leaders
6. The difference between “nice-to-have” and “must-have” health tech solutions
7. How to stand out in an overcrowded, noisy job market

This episode is a must-listen for anyone in healthcare technology — especially sales, leadership, and go-to-market professionals — seeking a realistic, practical roadmap to navigate their career in 2026 and beyond.

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00:00 Introduction to Healthcare Technology Recruiting

01:54 Brian Whitehill's Journey in Healthcare Recruiting

03:05 Challenges in Recruiting Top Talent

07:00 Navigating the Job Market: Tips for Job Seekers

12:22 The Importance of Behavioral Qualities in Hiring

18:03 Hiring Sales Leaders: Common Mistakes and Insights

23:23 The Importance of Psychological Assessment in Hiring

25:35 Navigating Leadership Transitions in Growing Companies

28:08 Understanding the Founder’s Curse and Scaling Challenges

31:03 The Reality of Job Security in Sales

34:44 The Value of Networking and Always Being Prepared

36:37 Debunking the Rolodex Myth in Sales

39:44 The Shift from Nice-to-Have to Must-Have Solutions

42:00 Preparing for 2026: Key Considerations for Job Seekers

50:57 Three Golden Rules for Candidates in the Job Market

In this episode of Haverin About, Bethany and Stuart unpack the real-world tools, resources, and habits that successful healthcare sales professionals rely on today. From trusted industry news sources like HISTalk and Becker’s, to research platforms like KLAS and Black Book, to AI transcription tools and old-school notebooks — this episode blends practical advice with hard-earned experience.

You’ll hear candid takes on:

• Where to get accurate Health IT news and insight
• Why LinkedIn has become 80% AI slop (and where the value still is)
• Prospecting tools like Definitive Healthcare and RocketReach — and the etiquette mistakes to avoid
• Using AI tools like PLAUD for meeting notes and conference leads
• How to stay organized as a modern seller (OneNote, Notion, visual thinking)
• Why human connection is still the most powerful sales advantage

This episode is ideal for Health IT sales professionals, BDRs, AEs, founders, and healthcare tech leaders looking to sell smarter in a noisy, AI-heavy world.

Episode Timestamps

00:00 – Tools vs people in sales

04:10 – Best Health IT news & industry resources

10:20 – Substack, opinion writing & AI content overload

17:10 – LinkedIn: what’s worth your time

24:30 – Prospecting & contact intelligence tools

34:00 – Research platforms that influence buying decisions

37:40 – AI note-taking, meetings & conference workflows

54:20 – Why your peer network matters more than any tool

We explore Andrew’s viral system diagram, inspired by Ernst Haeckel’s biological illustrations, and examine how taxes, premiums, Medicare, Medicaid, employers, payers, and providers all interlock in ways that directly shape how hard it is to sell into healthcare.

What you’ll learn:

• Why CFOs are saying “great idea… but we have no money”
• How macroeconomic pressures impact your deals, timelines & value proposition
• Why payer sales cycles are 12–18 months before implementation even begins
• Why $4.9T in spending still results in a $22K hospital janitor
• How aging demographics and the “silver tsunami” will reshape the market
• Why empathy + context are your biggest commercial differentiators
• What startups consistently misunderstand about selling to payers & providers

If you’re a founder, seller, operator, or executive in healthcare technology, this episode is one of the most important macro-level explainers you’ll hear all year.

Links from the episode:

• Andrew Tsang’s Substack
• Stuart’s Substack (including The Knights Who Say No! + The Pauper CFO)
• Andrew’s “Abominable Creature” system diagram
• Haverin About Merch Store

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If you work in healthcare IT, sales, consulting, or any role that sends you on the road, this conversation will feel very familiar.

We break down essential travel routines, airport preferences (ATL forever), Delta status realities, long-haul flight survival, SKO etiquette, and the travel tech we consider absolute must-haves.

We also share favorite road-warrior hacks, personal stories from early careers, a surprisingly HR-compliant workplace romance tip, and why the rule “Nothing good happens after midnight” is still undefeated.

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Whether you're a seasoned traveler or preparing for your first work trip, you'll leave with new ideas, a few laughs, and maybe a checklist for your next flight.

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00:00 – Welcome & Why Bethany Is Reporting from London

02:00 – Airport Hot Takes & Why ATL Reigns Supreme

06:00 – Stuart’s UK Driving Era & Sales-Life Stories

12:30 – Airline Status, Loyalty Programs & Upgrade Myths

18:00 – Business Travel Tech Essentials & Packing Must-Haves

27:30 – Road Warrior Systems: Chargers, Toiletries & Organization

36:00 – The HR-Approved “Unethical Life Pro Tip”

42:00 – SKO Culture, Conference Etiquette & Midnight Warnings

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🎙️ About the Show

Haverin About is a weekly father–daughter podcast exploring healthcare IT, digital health, business strategy, sales careers, leadership lessons, and the realities of working in modern tech-driven organizations — mixed with humor, personal stories, and the occasional rant.

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Stuart shares three products that caught his attention:

• Temperature-sensing diabetic socks designed to reduce amputations

• Entia’s Liberty home CBC device enabling oncology patients to monitor blood counts without constant hospital visits

• PLAUD’s clinician-friendly portable ambient transcription tools, reshaping workflow for doctors outside exam rooms

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Beyond the tech, we also explore the value of big multi-day events vs. niche specialty conferences, the economics of booths, why startups struggle for visibility, and how clinicians and small clinics can adopt technology without enterprise budgets.

If you work in health tech, digital health, clinical workflows, or simply want to know what’s actually worth paying attention to at HLTH, you’ll find a lot here.

00:00 — Welcome to Part 2 & framing the discussion

00:48 — Why solving a real problem matters (benefits vs. features)

01:20 — Innovation #1: Temperature-sensing diabetic socks

04:40 — The future of wearables & clinical data flow

06:30 — Innovation #2: Entia Liberty home CBC analyzer

10:50 — Chemotherapy, home monitoring & equity questions

12:54 — Innovation #3: Ambient scribing everywhere (big & small players)

14:40 — PLAUD’s rise & why clinicians secretly love it

20:10 — Small tech solving big problems vs. enterprise vendors

23:20 — Big vs. niche conferences: which actually deliver value?

28:30 — Booth ROI, startup economics & brand awareness reality

32:40 — Lead scanning horror stories & capturing meaningful conversations

39:20 — Should conferences use ambient capture? A future idea

41:55 — Wrapping up: JOMO, event culture & what comes next

43:10 — Closing & “Keep Haverin!”

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Stuart shares his HLTH experience after attending industry conferences for over 35 years, while Bethany adds her take from last year’s event. Together, they dig into:

• Why HLTH exists and how it compares to HIMSS and ViVE
• The rise of “AI-everything” and the lack of substance behind many claims
• Celebrity speakers like Rob Lowe and Mark Cuban are delivering wildly conflicting messages
• What attendees really get from these events (and what they don’t)
• Vendor goals: brand awareness, lead generation, partnerships, investment
• The reality of secret-suite meetings, investor tribes, and on-floor chaos
• The good, the bad, and the unexpectedly funny moments (lime-green umbrellas included)
• This is Part 1 of a two-episode conversation. Part 2 continues the breakdown of HLTH and the future of health conferences.

00:00 — Intro & why we’re talking HLTH

02:00 — First impressions of HLTH 2025

06:00 — HLTH vs. HIMSS & ViVE

11:00 — Rob Lowe, Mark Cuban & conflicting messages

17:00 — What conferences really deliver

27:00 — AI hype, tribes & trends

38:00 — Wrap-up & Part 2 preview

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Chris shares practical lessons from years of experience helping organizations strike a balance between motivation, fairness, and financial discipline in their compensation strategies. From startup simplicity to enterprise-scale complexity, this episode explores what works, what fails, and why.

🕒 Episode Breakdown

00:00 – Introduction to Sales Compensation Dynamics

06:58 – Understanding the Role of Sales Compensation Professionals

09:40 – The Complexity of Compensation Plans

12:06 – The Importance of Pay Transparency

14:48 – Navigating Compensation Structures in Organizations

17:14 – The Impact of Company Culture on Sales Performance

17:51 – Advice for Sales Leaders on Compensation Planning

29:27 – Understanding Sales Compensation Structures

31:46 – The Role of Ramps and Quotas in Sales

38:05 – Navigating Mid-Year Changes and SPIFs

46:29 – Compensation Strategies for Startups

52:13 – Future Trends in Sales Compensation

56:11 – Understanding Compensation Plans

57:46 – Paths to Success in Sales

01:00:11 – Matching Personalities to Sales Roles

01:01:19 – The Politics of Sales Compensation

💡 What You’ll Learn

• The art and science of designing effective sales comp plans
• When “equality” can actually kill motivation
• The love–hate relationship with SPIFs and short-term incentives
• Why your comp plan is your real “instruction manual” for success
• How sales leaders can advocate for smarter plan design
• Practical strategies for startups building their first comp models
• What’s next in 2026: AI, consumption-based models, and new incentive trends

Whether you’re a CRO, a sales manager, or an individual contributor reading your new comp plan with curiosity (or dread), this episode helps you decode what really drives sales performance.

🎙️ Guest: Chris Goff

Hosts: Stuart & Bethany

Podcast: Haverin About

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You can learn more about Chris on LinkedIn and on his website salescompguy.com

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Peter shares his personal journey with IPF and telomere research, while Stuart connects the dots between family genetics, resilience, and living beyond a transplant. Expect a mix of deep science, humanity, and humor from two veterans of both medicine and life’s harder lessons.

Keywords: Lung Transplant, Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis, IPF, Telomeres, Epigenetics, Inflammation, Peter D’Adamo, Genetics, Organ Donation, Decellularization, Regenerative Medicine, Medical Storytelling, Resilience

What begins as a podcast friendship between two transplant survivors unfolds into one of the most thoughtful and illuminating conversations about science, philosophy, and survival.

Diagnosed with idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis (IPF) — the same disease that took his father’s life — Peter’s journey led him through the harrowing process of lung failure, hospitalization, and eventual single-lung transplant at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston.

In this remarkable story, Peter shares:

🫁 His shock at diagnosis and connection to his late father’s fibrosis

🔬 Why science and faith both have roles in healing

🏥 The brutal reality of IPF’s “staircase” decline

❤️ Receiving a lung from a 24-year-old donor from Tennessee — and what that means to him

💊 The strange mix of gratitude, impatience, and rediscovered humility after surgery

💬 How his background in medicine shapes his view of patient care and medical wisdom

🧠 Why he believes medicine is “a dialogue, not a dictatorship”

🙏 The philosophy that’s guided him — stoicism, humor, and quiet acceptance

From reflections on mortality and science fiction-like future transplant tech, to a witty discussion of life with one “good lung and one cranky one,” Peter brings intellect, humanity, and humor to a story that could only be told by him.

🔗 Follow Dr. Peter D’Adamo on Substack: https://pdadamo.substack.com/

Purchase "Eat Right 4 Your Type" on Amazon

💚 Register as an organ donor: https://organdonor.GOV

🎧 Listen on: Spotify | Apple Podcasts | Captivate.fm | Google Podcasts

Dean’s story begins with a routine hip surgery that unexpectedly uncovered interstitial lung disease (ILD), which later led to the discovery of short telomere syndrome — a rare genetic condition shared with his identical twin brother. Within a few years, both brothers would face life-threatening organ failure and receive transplants at leading U.S. medical centers.

In this powerful and thoughtful conversation, Dean shares:

🫁 The shock of diagnosis and rapid decline in lung function

🏥 The grueling pre-hab and evaluation process at Duke University Hospital

❤️ The challenges and miracles of receiving both a liver and lung transplant — at age 65

💊 Living with lifelong medications, chemo, and complications like PTLD

👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 The vital role of his wife, Sandy, and family as his “care team”

🌄 How gratitude, kindness, and perspective have reshaped his life after transplant

Dean’s mantra: “You give up one big problem for a bunch of small ones — and it’s worth every one.”

Whether you’re a patient, a family caregiver, a medical professional, or just someone seeking hope in the face of adversity, this episode reminds us all to be grateful for science, family, and second chances.

In this deeply personal and uplifting conversation, Jenny recounts:

🌬️ Her life before transplant and the emotional decision to move across states for surgery

💔 The fear and hope leading up to “the call” that changed everything

💪 The recovery journey — from ventilator tubes to walking freely for the first time

🙏 Her gratitude toward her donor and how that gift shaped her spiritual journey

💖 How she founded her own lung transplant foundation and podcast to support others

🌅 The unforgettable moment she climbed back up that Galveston hill — breathing freely again

This story isn’t just about surviving. It’s about living with purpose, gratitude, and love after being given a second chance.

If you’ve ever wondered what life after organ transplant is really like — or if you need inspiration to register as an organ donor — this episode will move you deeply.

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🔗 Listen to Jenny’s Podcast → https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pre-to-post-transplant/id1486712428

💚 Learn more about Jenny's Foundation → https://www.pretoposttx.com

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00:00 – Introduction – Meet Jenny and her story of cystic fibrosis

01:40 – Early life and CF diagnosis

03:00 – When health began to decline & lupus diagnosis

06:00 – Deciding to move for a lung transplant

07:40 – The Galveston fireworks moment: “I’m ready for my transplant”

10:30 – Getting the call – The unexpected timing

13:00 – Facing surgery day fears and waking up after transplant

16:00 – Recovery: walking, chest tubes, and small victories

18:30 – Life after surgery & gratitude for the donor

20:30 – Writing to her donor’s family

22:00 – Meeting other transplant stories through her podcast

24:00 – Spiritual reflections and growing closer to faith

27:00 – Why me? Finding purpose after survival

29:30 – The power of compassion and resilience

32:00 – Stuart & Jenny reflect on community and awareness

35:30 – Jenny’s new chapter: foundation, school, and podcast break

36:45 – One word to describe the journey: “Beautiful”

37:30 – Jenny’s message to future organ donors

39:50 – Closing thoughts: Living with purpose and gratitude

Released during the Lung Transplant Foundation’s National Lung Transplant Awareness Week and National Lung Transplant Awareness Day (October 9, 2025), we share what organ donation makes possible—and how families and teams can lead with grace when life hits hard.

You’ll hear about:

• The call that changed everything—and the mindset pivot from despair to plan

• The “close plan” for recovery (walk, walk, walk) and the legendary sock test

• Bethany’s perspective: balancing family, sales leadership, and grief

• Grace at work: how teammates and managers can actually help

• A message from the donor’s mother—and honoring the gift

• Practical ways to protect the immunocompromised in your life

Timestamps:

00:00 Welcome & Awareness Week/Day

01:30 Gratitude to Vanderbilt & donor families

06:35 Diagnosis → rapid decline → ICU

15:03 “We can’t save your lungs.” (mindset pivot)

20:48 A match is found & surgery day

24:30 Recovery begins: walk, walk, walk

28:52 The “close plan” & the sock test

32:05 Bethany’s side: family, work, coping

35:00 Grace at work: leadership lessons

38:00 Donor letter - connecting with grief

42:00 How to help + CTAs

44:30 Outro

Listen if you want to: hear a real-world transplant journey, learn how to support loved ones (and colleagues) through crisis, and understand why registering as an organ donor truly changes families on both sides.

Support the show:

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Resources & Links Mentioned:

Lung Transplant Foundation:

🔗https://lungtransplantfoundation.org/

US —Register as an organ donor:

🔗 https://www.organdonor.gov/

UK — NHS Organ Donor Register: 🔗https://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/register-your-decision/

Vanderbilt University Medical Center — Lung Transplant Program: 🔗https://www.vanderbilthealth.com/program/lung-transplant

Haverin Substack

Breathing Forward: A timeline of resilience:

🔗https://haverin.substack.com/p/breathing-forward-a-timeline-of-resilience?r=2vmx1l

Where are we with Lung Transplants in 2025?:

🔗https://haverin.substack.com/p/where-we-are-with-lung-transplants?r=2vmx1l

Tacro, Tacro, Tacro! (Explaining our antirejection drugs):

🔗https://haverin.substack.com/p/tacro-tacro-tacro?r=2vmx1l

Jenny McFarland’s transplant podcast (Stuart’s guest episode): 🔗https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/if-youre-going-through-hell-just-keep-going-with/id1486712428?i=1000639375812

In this episode of Haverin About, Stuart and Bethany dive into the art (and science) of negotiation. With real stories, practical strategies, and a dash of humor, they explore how to:

• Break down 100-page contracts into what really matters
• Use simple tools like index cards to prep for big conversations
• Handle shifting corporate priorities and procurement roadblocks
• Avoid leadership missteps (and land yourself in the “burn book”)
• Trade creative terms beyond just money (references, case studies, conferences)
• Master the hardest negotiation skill of all: silence
• Remember timeless wisdom: “What’s for you will no go by you”
• Whether you’re in sales, leadership, or just want to sharpen your everyday negotiation skills, this episode has something for you.

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In this episode of Haverin About, Stuart and Bethany cut through the fear, uncertainty, and doubt (FUD) around AI in healthcare. T

They share perspectives from both the vendor and healthcare system sides, blending serious insights with humor and stories.

You’ll hear about:

• Why hospitals don’t have one buyer, but an army of “Knights Who Say No”
• The ROI vs. TCO dilemma — hidden costs that kill the promise
• Governance platforms and “unsexy plumbing” as the real opportunity in 2025
• Data, compliance, and trust: the risks that can’t be ignored

Articles Mentioned:

• Joshua Liu's original LinkedIn article that inspired "The Knights who Say No!": - Great article by Joshua Liu on LinkedIn that inspired Stuart's "Knights who say No!" article
• "The Knights who say No!" Substack article: - Stuart's article on the complex network of approval flows inside hospitals and health systems

Timestamps:

00:00 Some gentle havering about The Pitt and “Maybe I should have low-key become a doctor?

05:15 The AI Hype acceleration in Healthcare

11:55 Navigating Hospital Buyers' skepticism

21:13 The Seller's Lens in AI Adoption

23:00 ‘The Knights who say No!’  Navigating Healthcare Technology Sales Challenges

29:52 The Role of Educating to Sell AI Solutions

35:04 External and internal Healthcare AI Regulation and compliance

40:12 The Importance of Governance in AI Implementation

45:33 Closing Thoughts and next week's promo

Listen if you want to: understand how hospital leaders think about AI adoption, where vendors trip up, and what the next 12 months really hold.

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Summary

Welcome to the very first episode of Haverin About! In this launch episode, father–daughter duo Stuart Miller and Bethany Miller Urroz share why they’ve decided to take their years of private conversations about healthcare, business, and technology public. You’ll get to know the hosts, their backgrounds, and what the word “Haverin” really means (hint: structured nonsense with a Scottish twist).

Together, Stuart and Bethany outline the podcast’s format, the themes they’ll cover, and why you’ll want to subscribe for the blend of sharp insights, candid stories, and humor that defines their unique style.

What You’ll Hear in This Episode

• Why we started Haverin About
• The story behind the name (and our Scottish roots)
• Who we are: our careers in healthcare IT, consulting, and sales leadership
• The four themes that guide our Substack and now the podcast:
• The Next Generation
• The Briefing Room
• Blethering
• Vision to Action
• A preview of our first full episode: Cutting Through the AI FUD in Healthcare

🔗 Resources & Links

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Connect with us:

• Stuart Miller on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/stuart-miller-haverin
• Bethany Miller Urroz on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/bethanymillerurroz
• 📩 Business inquiries → haverinabout@gmail.com