Many men today aren't lacking ambition. They're lacking guidance.

In this episode of We Take the Stairs, Ben shares his deeply personal journey through military service, devastating loss, depression, and ultimately discovering purpose through faith. After losing his sister to suicide and carrying the weight of guilt for years, Ben opens up about how those experiences shaped his understanding of masculinity, leadership, relationships, and identity.

Together, we explore why so many young men feel lost, the importance of finding healthy mentors, what biblical leadership actually looks like, and how intentional communication can transform marriage. Ben also shares practical wisdom on overcoming a savior complex, building emotional resilience, setting healthy boundaries, and trusting God through life's hardest seasons.

Whether you're searching for purpose, navigating grief, strengthening your marriage, or simply trying to become a better man, this conversation offers honest insight, biblical truth, and practical encouragement for the journey.

Guest

Ben is a former military medic, entrepreneur, and devoted husband who is passionate about helping men discover their identity, purpose, and calling through biblical truth. Drawing from his own experiences with grief, depression, family trauma, and personal growth, Ben shares practical wisdom on healthy masculinity, leadership, communication, and building Christ-centered relationships.

Chapters

00:00 – Ben's Story of Loss and Hope

02:34 – Can Women Truly Reach Men?

06:10 – Marriage, Emotions, and Healthy Communication

11:46 – The Biggest Challenge Facing Men Today

14:22 – Looking for Mentors in the Wrong Places

18:23 – Losing His Sister to Suicide

22:46 – Finding Community Through Church

24:25 – The Lies Men Believe About Themselves

26:05 – Why He Didn't Want to Get Married

31:23 – Healing From Family Wounds

39:44 – The Savior Complex Many Men Carry

42:38 – Building Emotional Trust in Marriage

47:52 – What Healthy Communication Looks Like

54:24 – Learning Marriage From Healthy Leadership

56:40 – What It Means to Lead as a Husband

01:01:10 – Love vs. Manipulation

01:10:00 – Honest Conversations About Attraction and Lust

01:16:02 – Leading Through Intentionality

01:17:35 – Why Bad Experiences Become Your Greatest Strength

01:20:50 – Why Ben Finally Shared His Story

Key Topics Covered

The Identity Crisis Facing Men – Why so many young men struggle to find healthy role models and what true biblical masculinity looks like.

Healing Through Hardship – How grief, depression, and family trauma became the foundation for deeper purpose instead of lifelong pain.

The Savior Complex – Why many men feel responsible for carrying everyone's burdens and how to break free from unhealthy responsibility.

Healthy Marriage and Leadership – Practical lessons on communication, emotional intelligence, servant leadership, and building trust in marriage.

Boundaries and Emotional Maturity – Why loving people doesn't mean sacrificing yourself and how healthy boundaries create stronger relationships.

Faith Through Suffering – How God uses life's hardest moments to shape character, deepen faith, and prepare us to help others.

Finding Purpose in Your Pain – Why your greatest struggles may become your greatest opportunity to encourage someone else.

Leading With Intentionality – How small, consistent acts of love, honesty, and service build lasting relationships and stronger families.

Most men aren't struggling because they lack talent, ambition, or opportunity. They're struggling because they're living without wisdom. According to Mark, that missing foundation quietly fuels broken relationships, addiction, poor decisions, and lives filled with regret.In this episode of We Take the Stairs, Mark shares how decades of addiction, pain, and personal transformation led him to discover that wisdom is life's greatest pursuit.

Drawing from Scripture, coaching experience, and his own redemption story, he explains why success without wisdom eventually falls apart, and why lasting change begins by surrendering to God's design.Together, we explore why men chase temporary solutions instead of lasting fulfillment, how identity shapes purpose, why forgiveness is essential for freedom, and what practical daily habits help build a life rooted in truth.

Mark also opens up about overcoming addiction, rebuilding after failure, and finding hope through faith. Whether you're searching for purpose, navigating hardship, or simply wanting to become a wiser husband, father, leader, or friend, this conversation offers timeless biblical principles and practical guidance for living with greater clarity, courage, and intention.

Guest

Mark is a biblical life coach, high performance coach, speaker, and mentor who helps entrepreneurs, athletes, and men discover purpose through biblical wisdom. Having overcome decades of addiction and personal hardship, he combines Scripture, practical coaching, and lived experience to help others build lives rooted in truth, freedom, and lasting transformation.

Website: https://marcfeinberg.com/

Chapters

00:00 — The Biggest Problem Facing Men Today

00:55 — Why Wisdom Is More Valuable Than Success

04:28 — How Culture Pulls Men Away from Truth

08:52 — Coaching Men Through Purpose and Identity

13:02 — Why Smart People Still Make Foolish Decisions

17:41 — God's Purpose for Every Man

22:19 — Growing Up Without Strong Male Leadership

26:38 — The Prodigal Son and Returning Home

31:07 — Finding God's Hand in Every Season

35:22 — Breaking Free from Addiction

39:31 — Understanding Christianity Beyond Religion

43:55 — Using the Bible as a Practical Guide for Life

48:11 — Winning the Daily Battle Against Lies

51:58 — Building Daily Habits That Transform Your Life

56:12 — Forgiveness, Freedom, and Moving Forward

Key Topics Covered

Wisdom as the Foundation – Why wisdom, not intelligence or success, determines the quality of a man's decisions, relationships, and future.

Identity Before Purpose – How understanding who you are creates clarity, confidence, and direction in every season of life.

The Hidden Cost of Addiction – Why addictions often mask deeper emotional and spiritual wounds, and what true healing requires.

Learning Through Pain – How hardship, failure, and brokenness can become the greatest catalysts for personal growth and spiritual maturity.

The Power of Forgiveness – Why letting go of resentment brings freedom, healing, and healthier relationships.

Biblical Wisdom for Everyday Life – How Scripture provides practical guidance for leadership, marriage, parenting, work, and daily decision making.

Daily Habits That Create Lasting Change – The simple disciplines that help men grow in faith, develop wisdom, and remain grounded through life's challenges.

Hope Through Redemption – Mark's personal journey from addiction to transformation reminds us that no past mistake is too great for God's grace, and that every man has the opportunity to begin again.

Most men aren't burned out, checked out, or broken — they're purposeless. And according to Lance, a licensed therapist, pastor, and addiction counselor who has sat across from thousands of men in crisis, that one missing thing is the root of nearly every problem men are facing today.

What makes this episode unlike anything We Take the Stairs has recorded is the lens Lance brings. He speaks as a clinician, a pastor, a divorced man who rebuilt, and someone who has mapped the male crisis from every angle — neuroscience, scripture, and lived experience. He connects the dots between why men disengage in marriage, why addiction spikes at retirement, why the brain literally wires itself toward purpose, and why a man without meaning will find something — anything — to fill that void. The science and the scripture point to the same answer. This episode is that answer.

Guest

Lance — Licensed therapist, pastor, addiction counselor, and clinical professional based in South Florida. Lance runs a private practice, works in addiction recovery, and brings a rare combination of neuroscience, faith, and lived experience to every conversation about men.

Chapters

• 00:00 — The One Question: Meaning and Purpose
• 01:31 — Why Men Check Out After Work — And What's Really Going On
• 04:09 — Protect, Pray, Provide — Why That's No Longer Enough
• 11:43 — The Neuroscience of Purpose: Grid Cells, Flow States & Your Hot Spot
• 13:49 — Who Moved My Cheese: How Meaning Shifts Through Life Stages
• 16:20 — The Empty Nester, the Retiree & Why Addiction Spikes at 65
• 18:00 — Why the Church Is Actually Built for Every Stage of Life
• 20:18 — The Role of Mentors & Why God Puts the Right People on Your Path
• 25:06 — The Manosphere, Broken Systems & God's Design for Men
• 32:02 — The Neuroscience of Social Media & Why We're More Disconnected Than Ever
• 44:25 — Lance's Personal Story: Seminary, Loss & Finding Purpose Through Crisis
• 55:28 — What Is a Crisis? Real Stories of Men Who Lost Everything
• 01:03:47 — How to Navigate Crisis: Get to a Church, Find Community, Ask for Help
• 01:11:39 — Three Practical Steps to Rewire Your Brain Toward Real Connection
• 01:15:51 — The REACH Method: A Clinical & Biblical Framework for Forgiveness
• 01:30:00 — We Takes: Crisis Isn't the End — It's the Catalyst

Key Topics Covered

• Meaning and Purpose as the Root Problem — Lance doesn't start with behavior. He starts with the existential question every man is quietly asking: Why am I here? Do I matter? Is what I'm doing enough? Every other crisis — disconnection, addiction, disengagement in marriage — is downstream of this one unanswered question.
• Why Men Check Out After Work — A man who comes home and unplugs isn't being passive out of laziness. He's been reduced to a role — protect, pray, provide — and he's fulfilled it. Nobody told him that wasn't enough. Lance unpacks why this creates a silent, growing disconnect in marriages and what both spouses can actually do about it.
• The Neuroscience of Purpose — One of the most unique moments in We Take the Stairs history. Lance breaks down what happens in the brain when a man finds his purpose — grid cells, place cells, the entorhinal cortex, and the state of flow. Your brain is literally wired to detect when you're on course. Purpose isn't mystical. It's neurological.
• Who Moved My Cheese — Meaning Shifts Across Life Stages — Lance references Dr. Spencer Johnson's framework to map how what gives a man meaning changes at every stage: his 20s, his 30s, the empty nest, retirement. Men who don't know their meaning is shifting often collapse — or numb themselves — without knowing why.
• Why Addiction Spikes in Retirement — One of the most surprising and sobering moments of the episode. Lance shares that one of the top reasons men develop addiction later in life is having nothing left to do. Bills paid. Kids gone. No purpose. And suddenly a drink at the country club becomes a daily ritual of slowly disappearing.
• The Church as a Lifelong Framework — Lance and Rachael land on something that rarely gets said clearly: the church, when it functions as designed, is the only institution that meets men at every stage of life — from formation in youth to mentorship in old age. The design is right. The execution is what varies.
• Community Dating — Lance advocates for dating in community — group dates, letting trusted people weigh in, watching how a potential spouse interacts with people who matter to you. The best marriages he's seen were built on more than two people deciding in isolation.
• Crisis as a Catalyst — The closing of the episode reframes everything. A crisis — a lost job, a broken marriage, a failed season — isn't the end of who you are. For men who know their identity, it becomes the very thing that pushes them further into their purpose.

Scriptures & Concepts Referenced

• Erikson's Eight Stages of Identity Formation
• Romans 8:28 — All things work together for good
• The neuroscience of flow states and purpose alignment
• Who Moved My Cheese — Dr. Spencer Johnson

Key Quotes

"Meaning and purpose — that's at the core of what men are facing. Everything else is a manifestation." — Lance

"You may be tired, but you will not ever feel empty. When you're doing what you're supposed to do, it feeds you." — Lance

"Finding your purpose is like finding your hot spot. When you're there, you know it — neurologically and intuitively." — Lance

"Our role has been reduced to protect, pray and provide. And if I've done that, why are you trying to talk to me after a 16-hour day?" — Lance

"What are you creating that's bigger than what you two can do individually? That's what keeps people together." — Lance

"Men are so much more than what we provide monetarily. We matter emotionally. We matter relationally." — Lance

"Crisis doesn't have to be the fall of who you are. It can be the very thing that brings you further into your purpose." — Jackson

Practical Takeaways

• Name what your current "cheese" is — what gives you meaning right now at this stage of life
• Build something in your marriage that's bigger than any argument the two of you could have
• Date in community — let trusted people weigh in before you commit

About This Series

Each episode, one man. One question. The answers are already revealing a pattern. If you're a man with something to say — we want to hear it.

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For Joshua — former Marine, 14-year firefighter, and founder of Journey to Jericho — the answer came without hesitation: identity crisis. Not knowing who we are when God calls us sons. Living like orphans instead of children who are fully adopted, fully gifted, fully loved.

This episode, recorded with Joshua joining from his hot rod shop in Columbia, Tennessee, is one of the most spiritually rich and tactically practical conversations We Take the Stairs has had.

Joshua doesn't just talk theology. He runs a literal shop where fatherless young men learn to weld, grind, and turn wrenches — while quietly, patiently, being shown what an authentic man actually looks like. His own story, marked by a broken home and one Vietnam veteran named Ray who changed everything in six Saturdays, grounds everything he teaches.

Guest

Joshua — Founder of Journey to Jericho, a mentorship ministry based in Columbia, Tennessee, that uses a hot rod shop to build relationships with fatherless young men.

A former Marine and 14-year firefighter, Joshua left a stable career and moved his family across the country in obedience to what he believed God was calling him to do.

Chapters

00:00 — The One Question: Identity Crisis

03:30 — The Three P's: Power, Productivity, Prosperity

09:00 — Journey to Jericho: The Hot Rod Shop With a Deeper Mission

16:00 — Ray: The Man Who Changed Everything in Six Saturdays

23:00 — Hitting Rock Bottom at 30 — and the Prayer That Changed His Life

33:00 — Friend, Mirror, Minister: How Real Mentorship Works

39:00 — The Lamb and the Lion: Redefining What a Husband Is For

46:00 — Testimony: A Family Restored Through One Small Act of Showing Up

58:00 — The Traps Keeping Men Stuck — Power, Comfort & Noise

01:06:00 — Leaving Comfort: The Move to Tennessee & the Church That Pushed Back

Key Topics Covered

Identity Crisis — Joshua's answer cuts to the foundation: men were never meant to live as orphans, figuring it out alone, when they've actually been adopted as sons.

Everything else — power, productivity, prosperity — is built on this one cornerstone.

The Three P's — Power, productivity, prosperity. Joshua names the worldly substitutes men chase instead of sonship, and why even the richest men he's met are often the most miserable.

Ray: The First Real Man — Joshua's foundational story. A Vietnam Marine who watched him and his brother for six Saturdays, taught him to weld, and modeled something Joshua had never seen — honoring his wife as his prize. That moment became the question Joshua chased for the next twenty years.

The 30th Birthday Breaking Point — After years of performing discipline without a changed heart, Joshua hit bottom and cried out to God to either kill him or change him. That surrender — not effort — was the beginning of real transformation.

Friend, Mirror, Minister — Joshua's framework for mentoring young men: build trust as a friend, reflect Christ's light as a mirror, then minister from that place of earned trust. Skip a step and the whole thing breaks down.

The Lamb and the Lion — One of the most theologically rich moments of the episode. The Jews wanted a warrior king. They got a sacrificial lamb. Joshua applies this directly to husbands: leadership through sacrifice, not domination.

A Family Restored — Joshua shares the story of a mother and two adult children, each carrying wounds from church hurt, slowly restored through nine months of simply showing up — no agenda, no lectures, just consistent presence.

Comfort as the Enemy — When Joshua left a stable 14-year firefighting career to move his family to a town he'd never visited, the harshest pushback came from fellow believers. Joshua's takeaway: comfort had become their idol, and his obedience exposed it.

Books Referenced

📖 Wild at Heart — John Eldredge — "I want to be rather than to appear."

Key Quotes

"If I am his son, I no longer have to live as an orphan. I no longer have to figure it out on my own." — Joshua

"It's not what they do, but it's who they are." — Joshua

"Identity found in anything other than Christ is absolutely futile." — Joshua

"Comfort is one of our worst enemies. Enjoy it while you got it. Do not let it become your god." — Joshua

"A generation will grow great when old men are willing to plant trees they will never sit under." — Joshua

"A son cannot give what he has not received." — Joshua

Practical Takeaways

Ask God ten thousand questions instead of relying on your own wisdom.Invite one young man for a cup of coffee — that's a touch point, not a small thing.

Take the tactical pause. Stop, ask the Father who he says you are, and let him answer.

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After their son received a rare diagnosis, they faced uncertainty, fear, and challenges no parent wants to endure. But this conversation is less about the diagnosis and more about the resilience, faith, and strength they developed through it.

In this episode of We Take The Stairs, Rachel and Jackson sit down with James and Madison to discuss raising boys in today's culture, navigating adversity as a family, and the lessons that helped them grow stronger through life's hardest seasons.

This is a conversation about resilience, responsibility, and becoming the kind of person who stays steady when life gets difficult. Because strength is built through adversity.

FULL SUMMARY

What does it take to become unshakable?

In this episode of We Take The Stairs, Rachel and Jackson sit down with James and Madison to discuss resilience, faith, marriage, family, and the challenges facing men today.

They explore why many young men struggle with purpose and responsibility, why challenge and accountability are essential for growth, and what it takes to raise strong children in today's culture.

The conversation becomes deeply personal as they share their son's diagnosis with MED13L Syndrome, a rare genetic condition affecting development, speech, and cognition. More importantly, they reflect on how adversity strengthened their faith, revealed hidden strengths, and shaped them as individuals, parents, and partners.

Together, they discuss leadership in the home, the importance of partnership, and how responsibility, gratitude, and perseverance build stronger people, marriages, and families.

This episode is a powerful reminder that strength is built through adversity, and that life's hardest seasons often become the greatest opportunities for growth.

KEY TAKEAWAYS

• Resilience is built through hardship, responsibility, and action.

• Strong men are developed through challenge, purpose, and accountability.

• Many young men struggle due to a lack of direction and meaningful responsibility.

• Physical activity, discipline, mentorship, and competition help build confident men.

• Strong marriages require communication, teamwork, and commitment through adversity.

• True presence requires attention, leadership, and engagement.

• Adversity reveals character, strength, and opportunities for growth.

• Faith provides stability when circumstances are uncertain.

• Personal responsibility drives growth and transformation.

• Joy comes from gratitude, perspective, and purpose, not circumstances.

• Strong families face hardship together rather than avoid it.

EPISODE CHAPTERS

0:00 — Intro & Meet James and Madison

0:42 — The Crisis Facing Men Today

1:55 — Why Boys Are Struggling

4:13 — The Purpose Gap

6:15 — Building Resilience

8:45 — Why Men Check Out

9:40 — Presence at Home

11:13 — The Life-Changing Diagnosis

12:13 — Communication in Crisis

14:13 — Parenting, Marriage & Resilience

17:49 — True Partnership

18:42 — Masculinity, Femininity & Security

22:05 — Marriage, Identity & Leadership

25:21 — Understanding MED13L Syndrome

28:57 — Fighting for Their Son

32:31 — Lessons in Marriage

35:15 — Preparing for Adversity

37:35 — Responsibility & Growth

38:56 — How Men Grow Stronger

41:05 — Accountability & Grace

43:28 — Friends Who Challenge You

45:18 — Confidence vs. Arrogance

47:35 — Authentic Relationships

50:11 — Lessons From Hardship

52:00 — Happiness vs. Joy

54:21 — Advice for Struggling Families

58:29 — Final Reflections & We Takes

GUEST INFO

James & Madison

James and Madison are business owners, parents, and advocates for intentional family living. They share their experience navigating marriage, entrepreneurship, raising two boys, and supporting their oldest son following a rare MED13L Syndrome diagnosis.

Their story highlights resilience, faith, responsibility, communication, and the power of facing life's challenges together. Through adversity, they discovered deeper purpose, stronger partnership, and a renewed commitment to leading their family with courage and conviction.

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FULL SUMMARY:

This episode is different. Jackson brings his father David — a 37-year corporate veteran who retired as VP and General Manager of Valvoline's US lubricant business — onto the show for a rare father-son conversation about what the world is getting wrong about men.

The core question: Is self-reliance a virtue or a trap? David's answer is both — and the line between the two is something most men never find until something breaks.

They cover the cultural lies men are fed about success, independence, and worth. David shares candidly about losing his father at 35, chasing the next thing only to feel empty, and what he would tell every young man today. But the conversation takes an unexpected turn when Jackson opens up about a season of deep isolation as a teenager — and a moment he nearly didn't make it through.

A conversation for every man who was raised to do it alone — and every father who didn't know his son was drowning.

Key Takeaways

• Self-reliance is a virtue until it becomes a wall. The same strength that gets you through hard things eventually cuts you off from the people who could help you.
• Every decision is made out of love or fear. Once you know which one is driving you, everything changes.
• Meekness is not weakness. It is power under control — a man who chooses not to assert dominance is more powerful than one who has to prove himself constantly.
• Boys don't learn how to be men by being told. They catch it by watching. Fatherless homes aren't just painful — they're a missing education no classroom can replace.
• The dopamine isn't in the achievement — it's in the pursuit. Men who hit the number feel empty. The target was never the point.
• Talking about someone to others instead of directly to them leaves wounds that last decades. Praise that travels through other people never fully lands.
• Showing up and paying attention is the job. It's not complicated. But it requires presence — and most men are physically there while mentally somewhere else.

Episode Chapters

For YouTube chapter markers and podcast timestamps.

• 0:00 — Intro & Who Is David?
• 0:35 — The Core Question: Self-Reliance — Virtue or Trap?
• 3:50 — Meekness Is Not Weakness: What the Beatitudes Actually Say
• 7:15 — Love vs. Fear: The Two Motivations Behind Every Decision
• 10:37 — Why the Messaging to Men Is Broken
• 13:31 — Women Are Better at Community — And What That Costs Men
• 17:35 — The Lies Men Believe That Lead to Self-Reliance
• 19:25 — The Work Harder Lie: Why Hustle Culture Is a Fallacy
• 21:46 — Society Keeps Showing Men the Wrong Picture of Success
• 25:38 — Happiness vs. Joy: Chasing One Leaves You Empty
• 30:41 — David Chased Jobs and Cars Too — Here's What He Found
• 32:23 — Jackson Asks: You Have the Nice Car. How Do I Not Want Shortcuts?
• 35:50 — The Amazon Prime Problem: This Generation Expects Everything Now
• 38:34 — Porn, Broken Communication & Replacing People With Things
• 40:15 — When the Wheels Come Off: The Thread Every Generation Shares
• 43:00 — David's Breaking Point: Losing His Father at 35
• 46:07 — Is There an Event That Shakes You Into Realizing Your Priorities Are Wrong?
• 47:30 — David's Career: 37 Years, VP at Valvoline, B P&L
• 49:09 — The Dad Who Praised Him to Others but Never Directly to Him
• 51:24 — I've Fired People for Thinking They Didn't Need Anyone
• 56:27 — The Greatest Joy: Working Yourself Out of a Job
• 1:09:19 — You Didn't Teach Me to Sell. You Taught Me to Treat People.
• 1:17:52 — Everybody Is Replaceable: The Truth About Being Too Valuable to Promote
• 1:21:53 — He Learned His Father's Salary on His Deathbed — and Was Shattered
• 1:26:04 — The Dopamine Reset: Why the Journey Is the Point
• 1:33:29 — Jackson Opens Up: Self-Reliance at 13 Looked Like Nobody Cares
• 1:36:30 — The Two People Who Cared Most — He Couldn't Let In
• 1:37:04 — The Moment Jackson Nearly Didn't Make It
• 1:38:26 — What's the Magic Sauce for Parents? Show Up and Pay Attention.
• 1:40:10 — David's Response: I Could Not Be More Proud of You

Guest Info

Name: David Young

Relationship to Host: Jackson's father

Background: 37-year corporate veteran, retired VP and General Manager of Valvoline's US lubricant business. Led a team of 270 people overseeing B+ in annual revenue. Known for collaborative leadership and developing people — he deliberately worked himself out of his final role by building his team up to not need him. Now involved in a nonprofit helping estranged fathers reconnect with their children through the legal system, and guest lectures at universities on what corporate life actually looks like before young people enter it.

Key Details From the Episode:

• Lost his father to cancer around age 35 — his most significant personal breaking point
• Grew up in a home where money was never discussed; learned his father's salary on his deathbed
• Struggled his entire career to receive praise; his retirement party made him want the room to empty
• Did not know until this episode that Jackson had come close to taking his own life as a teenager

Scriptures Referenced

• Matthew 5:5 — Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth
• 1 Corinthians 16:13 — Be on your guard; stand firm in the faith; be courageous; be strong

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FULL SUMMARY:

What is the main problem men are facing today? For Kyle, the answer cuts deeper than surface-level symptoms. It's not just the passivity. Not just the fear. It's an identity crisis — and it's been engineered.

Kyle opens up about a decade-long battle with depression that started at 14, years of rejection in work and relationships, and the moments he nearly didn't make it through. He talks honestly about how the enemy uses passivity, fear, and false belief systems to keep men living like peasants when they were made to lead like royalty.

This conversation goes to the root — exploring why men can appear successful on the outside (money, followers, status) while still being completely unmoored from their actual purpose. Kyle shares the specific tools he's used to fight back: sticky notes on his bathroom mirror, iron-sharpening-iron community, speaking truth out loud over himself, and the moment a stranger at a church camp changed everything with nine words.

Rachael and Jackson press in with honest, challenging questions about what it was like to be a young man drowning in silence — and what would have actually helped. The result is one of the most raw and practical conversations we've had on the show.

Key Takeaways

• Passivity and fear are symptoms. Identity is the root. Until men know who they are in Christ, everything else is a Band-Aid.
• Satan's oldest trick is convincing a prince he's a peasant. The lie isn't loud — it's the slow accumulation of rejection, failure, and silence.
• Men don't need someone to tell them they're fearfully and wonderfully made. They need someone who does something they respect, who then earns the right to say it.
• Speaking truth out loud over yourself — not just knowing it mentally — is the mechanism that actually shifts belief.
• White-knuckling through depression isn't healing. It's managed pain. Real healing happens when you open up to the right people.
• Your worth is not your income. This is a lie fed to men by the world and, often, reinforced by women. Kyle and Rachael name this directly.
• Boys who grew up with social media starting at 12 are fighting a war previous generations didn't face. The tools they need are different.
• Being a coworker with Christ means both trusting God to provide and showing up to do the work. The tension between those two is where most men get lost.

Episode Chapters

For YouTube chapter markers and podcast timestamps.

• 0:00 — Intro & Welcome: Who Is Kyle?
• 0:46 — The Core Question: What Is the Biggest Problem Men Are Facing?
• 1:00 — The Three-Part Answer: Passivity, Fear & Identity
• 2:20 — The Ancient Kingdom Story: Why Identity Is Everything
• 5:00 — A False Identity Looks Like Success (The Distraction)
• 6:53 — When Did Kyle First Notice Identity Was a Problem?
• 7:48 — Kyle's Personal Testimony: Depression Starting at 14
• 13:38 — What Betrayal Actually Did to Him (The Question No One Had Asked)
• 17:00 — Rachael's Perspective: Testosterone, Teen Boys & What We're Losing
• 19:22 — The Closest Kyle Came to Not Making It
• 22:21 — How to Actually Reach a Young Man (The Subaru Moment)
• 23:39 — What Kyle Ran To Instead: Drugs, Alcohol, Women, Porn
• 24:50 — The Church Camp That Changed Everything
• 36:02 — The Sticky Notes on the Mirror
• 38:53 — This Is Not Just Kyle: Why Young Men Are Paralyzed
• 39:56 — CDC Data on Male Suicide and Depression
• 41:22 — Iron Sharpens Iron: The Community That Unlocked the Healing
• 42:57 — The Enemy's Tool: Shame That Keeps Men Silent
• 47:52 — When You Open Up and Get Rejected: What to Do Next
• 52:30 — Social Media Told Kyle He Wasn't Enough Starting at 12
• 54:49 — Identity Is the Answer to Every Problem We Just Named
• 57:46 — Your Words Are Life or Death: The Rudder of the Ship
• 59:00 — Kyle's Truth: God and I Are Coworkers
• 1:04:07 — Rachael's Honest Word to Men About Worth and Income
• 1:07:30 — The Balance Between God as Provider and Man as Provider
• 1:10:01 — The We Takes: What Everyone Is Walking Away With
• 1:12:13 — It Is Only by the Grace of God That I Am Still Here
• 1:14:51 — A Prophecy Spoken Over Kyle and What He Thinks It Means
• 1:16:09 — Rachael's We Take: Every One of You Is Worth It

Guest Info

Name: Kyle

Background: Filmmaker, entrepreneur, and community builder based in South Florida. Kyle is a deeply faith-rooted young man who has walked through depression, near-suicide, relational betrayal, and a long journey of learning to root his identity in Christ rather than performance, approval, or relationships. He is engaged and preparing for marriage.

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We ask one question to every man who sits down with us: What is the biggest problem men are facing today?

For Chris — young adults pastor, filmmaker, and man of faith — the answer was precise: Commitment paralysis. Too many options. Not enough formation. And a generation of men who were shaped by culture, media, and social media into believing that the next option is always better than the one in front of them — in relationships, in work, and in life.

What follows is one of the most practically honest and spiritually grounded conversations We Take the Stairs has had. Chris doesn't just name the problem. He lived it — from a porn addiction he wasn't aware was affecting him, to a subconscious belief that staying young and keeping options open was the smart play. He talks through what it costs men, what's causing it, and the only foundation that actually produces the commitment men were designed to walk in.

Guest Chris Kish — Young adults pastor at Family Church, filmmaker, and man of faith based in South Florida. Chris works daily with men and women ages 22–39 navigating the exact issues discussed in this episode — and is three months away from marrying his fiancée Christy.

Chapters

• 00:00 — The One Question: Commitment Paralysis
• 02:00 — Too Many Options, Not Enough Formation
• 06:00 — The Subconscious Shaping: Music, TV & Staying Young Forever
• 10:00 — Porn, Paralysis & the Connection Nobody Names
• 17:00 — The Chair Story: Discipline Only Where You Care
• 28:00 — Dating Apps & the Sea of Options Killing Commitment
• 39:00 — The Funeral and the Coronation: How to Actually Change
• 50:00 — Church Hurt, Attribution & the Character of God
• 01:03:00 — The Fatherless Generation: Why Satan Is Ramping Up
• 01:13:00 — Rapid Fire & We Takes

Key Topics Covered

• Commitment Paralysis — Chris's core answer: men today face too many options and not enough helpful formation. The result is a generation stuck in indecision — unable to choose a job, a city, a relationship, or a future. Not because they're lazy, but because they were shaped this way without knowing it.
• The Subconscious Shaping of a Generation — From Friends to Jay-Z to homecoming playlists, the message men absorbed growing up was clear: stay young, keep your options open, and the guy with the most freedom wins. No one said it directly. But it played on repeat until it became the default.
• Porn, Options & the Connection Nobody Names — One of the most candid moments of the episode. Rachael connects the dots between commitment paralysis and pornography addiction — if men are given every external pressure imaginable and then handed one easy, no-consequence outlet, the math isn't hard. Chris opens up about his own past with porn addiction and how he wasn't even aware it was affecting him.
• Discipline Only Where You Care — Chris tells the story of a college job setting up chapel chairs. He was fast and excellent at things he cared about — and visibly checked out on everything else. His friend called it out: you look lazy and apathetic when you don't care. Chris makes the case that men are all-in when they're passionate — but culture has broken the pipeline between discipline and desire.
• Dating Apps & the Infinite Sea — Hinge, Tinder, Instagram DMs, Facebook Dating. Chris breaks down precisely how swiping left and right trained men's brains to make snap judgments in two seconds — and how that habit bleeds into every real relationship when it's time to actually commit. You end up constructing a perfect person in your mind from the best parts of everyone you've seen — and no one real will ever match that.
• The Coronation and the Funeral — The most spiritually direct moment of the episode. Chris's answer for men who want to break the cycle — believer or not: every morning you need a coronation and a funeral. You crown Christ as king and you die to yourself. That's the only foundation that produces real commitment, because it removes you from the center.
• Church Hurt & the Character of God — A compassionate and direct response to men who've been burned by religious institutions and blamed God for it. Chris names it clearly: that's attributing human characteristics to God. God's character hasn't changed. His kindness is still leading you to repentance — even now.
• The Fatherless Generation — Chris frames the epidemic of absent fathers not as a sociological trend but as a spiritual battle. Satan knows every day that passes gets one day closer to Jesus coming back. So he's ramping up the attack on God's design for family, marriage, and fatherhood. The answer isn't a program. It's the gospel.

Scriptures Referenced

• Matthew 6:33 — Seek first the kingdom of God
• Romans 7 — The things I don't want to do, I do
• 1 Corinthians 16:13 — Be watchful, stand firm, act like men, be strong
• 2 Corinthians 5:17-21 — Ministry of reconciliation, ambassador for Christ

Books Referenced 📖 The Bait of Satan — John Bevere Jackson references this during the episode — offense as the biggest thing standing between a man and God, and how it compounds commitment problems.

Key Quotes

"The biggest problem men face today is commitment paralysis — too many options and not enough helpful formation." — Chris

"I was not aware the options were affecting me. That's the scariest part." — Chris

"Every day when you wake up, you need a coronation and a funeral — crown Christ as king and die to yourself." — Chris

"The biggest lie men believe is that they have to figure everything out on their own. You are not alone." — Chris

"If I make this decision and it's the wrong one — God's not surprised. He's sovereign. You just take the next right step." — Chris

"If men are given every pressure imaginable and then handed one easy, no-consequence outlet — how can we expect them not to be attracted to it?" — Rachael

"Be watchful. Stand firm in the faith. Act like men. Be strong. Let all that you do be done in love." — 1 Corinthians 16:13

Practical Takeaways

• Start each morning with a coronation and a funeral — crown Christ, die to yourself
• Audit your inputs — if you're scrolling options daily, your brain is being trained to never commit
• Find one person who can sit with you and ask the right questions — you were not made to figure this out alone

For Sebastian — life coach, entrepreneur, husband, and new father — the answer was sharp and immediate: Men are afraid of conflict. Not conflict in the explosive sense. Conflict in the daily sense. The conversation they won't have. The boundary they won't set. The truth they won't say out loud. And in avoiding it, men create a slow-burning disaster in their marriages, their work, their identity, and their homes.

What follows is one of the most wide-ranging and practically honest conversations We Take the Stairs has ever had. Sebastian has lived every side of this — the six-figure income, the burnout, the infidelity, the spiritual emptiness, the performance-based life that looked perfect from the outside and was hollow at the core. He doesn't preach. He diagnoses. And then he offers a way through.

Guest Sebastian — Life coach, entrepreneur, and new father based in South Florida. Born in Colombia and raised in a high-achieving immigrant household, Sebastian spent his twenties chasing success through self-will, manifesting, and performance — until it all collapsed and Jesus showed up. He now works daily with families navigating broken relationships, helping them see what avoiding hard conversations costs them — and how to start having them.

Chapters

• 00:00 — Welcome & The One Question: Men Are Afraid of Conflict
• 01:30 — Why Men Can't Emotionally Regulate — and What It Costs Them
• 05:00 — The Most Successful Men Are Often the Most Masked
• 08:00 — Social Media, Young Men & the False Definition of Manhood
• 14:00 — The Golden Handcuffs: Sebastian's Story Begins
• 22:00 — When You're Your Own God: Manifesting, Burnout & Infidelity
• 29:00 — Front Load Discomfort or Pay Later — But You Will Pay
• 38:00 — Communication Breakdown: How Avoiding Conflict Kills Marriages
• 46:00 — What the World Is Selling Men — and Why It Always Comes Up Empty
• 57:00 — When Jesus Walked In: From Performance to Relationship

Key Topics Covered

• Men Are Afraid of Conflict — Sebastian's core answer: men have never been properly taught to emotionally regulate, so they avoid any friction that might create discomfort. But avoiding conflict doesn't make it go away — it builds pressure until it explodes in all the wrong places.
• The Most Successful Men Are the Most Masked — A sharp observation from Sebastian: the men most prone to emotional armor are the highest achievers. They're hiding something beneath the drive, and their relentless pursuit of more is often a way to never look inward.
• Front Load Discomfort or Pay Later — One of the most practical frameworks in the episode. You will experience discomfort either way. Choose it now — the hard conversation, the honest moment, the difficult work on your heart — and it's manageable. Delay it, and it compounds into something far heavier.
• Sebastian's Story: The Life That Had Everything — VP title at 25. Six-figure income. Beautiful car. South Florida lifestyle. And completely burnt out, unfulfilled, and hiding behind performance. Sebastian traces how chasing the life he thought he wanted left a vacuum that nothing could fill — and what eventually filled it.
• When You're Your Own God — Sebastian spent years in the manifesting world — visualizing, aligning vibrations, trying to control outcomes. It worked, to a point. But it also meant he had to control everything, including the people around him. The conflict avoidance wasn't just a communication problem. It was a theology problem.
• Communication Is the Solution Most Men Won't Try — The dishes analogy lands hard: a man silently tallying every dish he washed, never saying a word, and then exploding after weeks of resentment. Sebastian breaks down why men don't communicate, why avoiding conflict creates the exact conflict they fear, and what actually starts to change things.
• The False Picture of Manhood — From Andrew Tate to Instagram fitness influencers to rented Ferraris on Miami Beach, the world is selling boys a definition of manhood that is entirely performance-based and entirely hollow. Sebastian names it plainly — and redirects to what manhood actually requires.

Key Quotes

"There is no space for a man to experience conflict. And because of that, it only creates more in the long run." — Sebastian

"The man that's most prone to the mask is typically the most successful — because in their desire to achieve, they're hiding something." — Sebastian

"Front load discomfort by choice, and you'll experience comfort sooner than you think. Front load comfort, and the discomfort comes later — at a level outside your control." — Sebastian

"It's not the thing. It's the man you have to become to get the thing. That's what lasts." — Sebastian

"I was chasing success and I created a vacuum in my relationship. Something came in to fill the space I had left." — Sebastian

"Until men are okay, women will not be okay." — Rachael

Practical Takeaways

• Have the conversation you've been avoiding — the longer you wait, the heavier the cost
• Ask yourself: who am I when no one else is around? What brings me alive?
• Curate your social media intentionally — if it takes your peace, it's not serving you
• Focus on the character you're building, not the life you're trying to acquire

SEO Keywords

• Christian podcast for men
• men and conflict avoidance
• male identity crisis faith
• men's mental health and communication
• biblical manhood podcast

For Joe — fitness trainer, founder of the Dead Ego Club, and a man who once had his entire identity built on a music career and other people's applause — the answer was immediate: Identity. Men have become human doers instead of human beings. They hide behind their job title, their income, their performance — and in doing so, they slowly lose themselves entirely.

What unfolds in this episode is one of the most raw, honest, and deeply personal conversations We Take the Stairs has ever had. Joe doesn't just name the problem. He lived it. From a homeless musician chasing stages and validation, to a man who stood in front of his mirror one morning and felt something physically break off his body — Joe's story is proof that the stripping process, as painful as it is, is exactly how God reveals who you actually are.

Guest Joe — Fitness trainer, founder of the Dead Ego Club, and recently married man of faith based in South Florida. Joe built a brand around one simple but radical idea: less of me. His mission is helping men strip away false identities and discover who they actually are beneath the performance.

Chapters

• 00:00 — Welcome & The One Question: Joe's Answer Is Identity
• 01:30 — Human Doers vs. Human Beings: Why Men Hide Behind Their Work
• 05:00 — The Billionaire Problem: Why We Label People by Net Worth
• 08:00 — Dead Ego Club: The Music Career That Inspired the Brand
• 14:00 — Other People's Applause Was My Drug
• 18:00 — What Actually Helps: The Stripping Process & Jesus
• 24:00 — Performance-Based Love: What Society Has Always Told Men
• 29:00 — Ecclesiastes & Rest: Chasing the Wind vs. Joy in Your Labor
• 37:00 — Rest Is Faith — And Not Resting Is Operating in Fear
• 45:00 — Abandonment: The Root Beneath the Identity Crisis
• 53:00 — The Mirror Moment: Speaking Identity Over Himself
• 01:05:00 — Rapid Fire & We Takes

Key Topics Covered

• Human Doers vs. Human Beings — Joe names the core of the male identity crisis: men have traded being for doing. They define themselves by their job title, income, and output — and the world reinforces this at every turn. The first question anyone asks is what do you do, not who are you.
• The Dead Ego Club — Born from the wreckage of a music career built entirely on performance and external validation, Joe's brand carries one message: less of me. He explains how chasing stages, applause, and celebrity left him surrounded by people but completely alone — and how that collapse became the beginning of something real.
• The Stripping Process — You don't find yourself by becoming more. You find yourself by stripping away what you're not. Joe references Michelangelo's famous quote about David — I just took away everything that wasn't David — and applies it directly to identity.
• Performance-Based Love & What Society Tells Men — Rachael makes a sharp observation: from the beginning of time, men have been conditioned to earn love through performance. Win the war, make the money, get the promotion. If you don't perform, who are you? Joe and Jackson unpack why this cycle is so hard to break — and what it costs men in relationships.
• Ecclesiastes & Rest — Joe opens his Bible to Ecclesiastes before the episode and finds something that speaks directly to the issue: King Solomon had everything — wealth, wisdom, pleasure — and called it all chasing the wind. The takeaway isn't stop working. It's have joy in your labor. And rest is faith. If you can't rest, you're not trusting God. You're operating in fear.
• Abandonment as the Root — One of the most vulnerable moments of the episode. Joe's mother left when he was in kindergarten due to drug addiction. That early wound — the fear of abandonment — followed him into every relationship for years, showing up as anxiety, people-pleasing, and performing for love. The root wasn't the relationships. It was the little boy still crying at the door.
• The Mirror Moment — After hitting rock bottom in a toxic relationship cycle, Joe woke up one morning, closed his Bible, looked in the mirror, and started speaking his identity out loud. Something physically broke off. He describes it as deliverance — and it was the first moment he truly began to know who he was.
• Affirmations and Identity — Joe has read the same set of affirmations every single day for two years. At first it feels like lying to yourself. Eventually your mind starts to believe it as truth. Repetition creates revelation.

Scriptures Referenced

• Ecclesiastes — All is vanity; chasing the wind; have joy in your labor
• Psalm 46:10 — Be still and know that I am God
• Proverbs 3:6 — He will make your path straight
• Ephesians 3:20 — More than we can ask or imagine

Books Referenced 📖 How to Win Friends and Influence People — Dale Carnegie Referenced by Joe: take genuine interest in other people before talking about yourself.

Key Quotes

"Men have become human doers rather than human beings — hiding behind what they do because they're afraid to actually be seen." — Joe

"You don't find yourself by becoming more. You find yourself by becoming less of what you're not." — Joe

"Other people's applause became my drug. I was using the audience to feel better about myself." — Joe

"Rest is faith. If you can't rest, you can't say you're operating in faith." — Joe

"I am who he says I am. And that's it." — Joe

"Understanding men is the key to the survival of the human race." — Rachael

"My love is not performative anymore. It's not I need you. It's I love you." — Joe

Practical Takeaways

• Start speaking your identity out loud — even when it feels like lying. Repetition creates revelation.
• Ask yourself: are there things I'm still working through from my relationship with my parents?
• Practice rest as an act of faith — not scrolling, not grinding, just being still and letting go.

About This Series Each episode, one man. One question. The answers are already revealing a pattern. If you're a man with something to say — we want to hear it.

Primary Keywords

• Christian podcast for men
• male identity crisis faith
• men and performance based love
• biblical identity for men
• men's mental health and purpose

We ask one question to every man who sits across from us: What is the main problem men are facing in society based on your experience and perspective?For Parker — inventor, pirate, author, and man who once stood at the edge of ending his life — the answer was immediate:

Apathy.

And the antidote isn't motivation, discipline, or a better morning routine. It's curiosity. A fire in a man's heart that refuses to stop asking, seeking, and pushing toward something worth finding.What unfolds is one of the most imaginative, honest, and unexpectedly moving conversations We Take the Stairs has ever had. Parker doesn't preach.

He tells stories. From an Amazon jungle treasure hunt that lights up every man in the room, to a boy who couldn't read being asked by God to write a book, to a pirate ship built on the back of a truck driving across America — Parker's life is proof that when a man stops trying to captain his own ship and lets the Good Captain take over, the adventure that follows is beyond anything he could have planned.

Guest

Parker — Inventor, dyslexic author of Pirate Parables, and creator of a nationwide treasure hunt spreading across all 50 states. Based in Nashville, Parker is on a mission to build pirate crews of people seeking spiritual wealth — one coin, one parable, and one wild adventure at a time. Follow along at Pirate Parables on YouTube.

Chapters

00:00 — Welcome & Parker Introduces Himself

02:00 — The Amazon Treasure Hunt That Says Everything

07:45 — Parker's Story: Dyslexia, Depression & the Deal He Made With God

16:00 — Men Were Never Meant to Carry It All Alone

26:00 — The Slash and Burn Field: When God Clears the Way

37:00 — The Moonlight Parable: How to Find Someone With Light

44:00 — The Spearfishing Parable: What Fasting Actually Does

53:30 — God Strips Everything — Then Builds a Movement

01:00:30 — Pirate Parables: The Book, the Coins & the Nationwide Treasure Hunt

01:12:00 — We Takes: Don't Soften. Don't Hide. We Need Your Warrior Spirit.

Key Topics Covered

Apathy Is the Crisis — Parker names apathy as the root problem men face — not addiction, not fatherlessness, not performance pressure. Those are symptoms. A

pathy is the disease. And its opposite isn't effort. It's curiosity.

Curiosity as the Cure — Curiosity isn't just wondering. It's refusing to complain and instead asking: What do you want me to know about this, God? It leads to empathy, wisdom, and eventually the treasure that was always waiting.

Parker's Story — Growing up with undiagnosed dyslexia, labeled lazy and stupid, Parker found himself suicidal at the end of college. He made a deal with God: If you're real, show up. If not, I'm done. God showed up. The adventure of a lifetime began.The Moonlight Parable — We are like the moon — made to light up the dark, but only by reflecting the sun.

A person in pain is a moon with no light, surrounded by other dark moons. The answer: find someone who has light and get curious about how they got it.

The Spearfishing Parable — Island people put wooden spears through fire not to destroy them, but to make the tips stronger than rock. Parker connects this to fasting and prayer — the purifying fire that sharpens a man's spirit for the mission ahead.

God Strips Everything — And Builds Something Better — Parker moves to West Palm Beach with no job, no car, no girlfriend, no design career. God takes it all. Then starts filling his life with hundreds of people, worship nights, Frisbee tournaments, and baptisms in the ocean. The stripping was the point.

Books & Resources Referenced📖

Pirate Parables — Parker's 100 illustrated parables wrapped in a pirate narrative and Parker's personal testimony. Find coins hidden across the country — follow clues at Pirate Parables on YouTube.

Key Quotes

"Apathy breeds failure in every area of life — spiritually, work-wise, relationally."

— Parker

"Curiosity breeds a heart of empathy. And empathy, for everything I know, is wisdom."

— Parker

"The coin isn't the treasure. The book isn't even the treasure. Knowing the father — that's the wealth."

— Parker

"The biggest lie to husbands is that they are the sole provider. That's a lie from Satan." — Parker

"Don't become soft. We need your warrior spirit. Temper it. Let it be chiseled. But don't hide it."

— Rachael

Practical Takeaways

When you're stuck, stop complaining and get curious — ask God what he wants you to knowFind someone who has light and be bold enough to ask them how they got itFast and pray when you need clarity — create a distraction-free space for God to speak

Primary Keywords

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We ask one question to every man who sits across from us: What is the main problem men are facing in society based on your experience and perspective?

For Gio — A man of faith and someone who has walked through the fire of identity confusion, addiction, broken homes, and performance-based living — the answer came immediately: Men don't understand their value and their identity.

What follows is one of the most honest, emotionally rich conversations We Take the Stairs has ever had. Gio doesn't lecture. He testifies. From a 13-year-old boy with drugs in his pocket to a man who has learned — slowly, painfully, and by grace — what it means to walk in identity and purpose, his story is one every man needs to hear. And behind every story he tells, there's a truth the culture is actively trying to bury.

Guest Gio — Gio has spent years serving in ministry, studying identity and value through the lens of scripture, and helping men understand that the world's scale is broken — and there's only one measure that actually matters.

Chapters

• 00:00 — Welcome & The One Question
• 01:30 — Gio's Answer: Men Don't Know Their Value or Identity
• 05:00 — Performance-Based Love — What the World Taught Men
• 07:00 — The Strong Truck Analogy: Provider, Protector, and Redlining
• 10:35 — You Act Like Who You Think You Are
• 13:20 — Gio's Story: Broken Home, Christian School & the First Battle
• 20:05 — The Worship Album That Changed Everything
• 29:30 — Safe Places, Grace & Why Men in Ministry Fall
• 40:30 — Financial Success Is Not the Same as Leaving a Legacy
• 50:30 — It's Not Guys vs. Girls. It's Broken vs. Healed.

Key Topics Covered

• Men Don't Know Their Value or Identity — Gio's immediate answer to the one question cuts to the heart of everything: men are measuring themselves on a broken scale, and it's why they keep running hard and going nowhere.
• Performance-Based Love — From boyhood to the battlefield, the world has told men that their worth is determined by their output. Provide. Protect. Man up. Don't cry. Gio dismantles this lie directly — and shows where it leads.
• You Act Like Who You Think You Are — One of the most powerful moments of the episode. If you think you're worthless, you'll do worthless things. But flip the scale — show a man his value — and everything changes.
• Gio's Personal Story — From a broken home to a Christian school, from a bag of drugs in his pocket at 13 to a Hillsong worship album playing on repeat while his parents fought, Gio's journey is raw, real, and full of God's fingerprints.
• Safe Places and Grace — Why do men in ministry fall into affairs and addictions? Because they don't have a safe place to go when they miss the mark. Gio calls for communities built on grace, not performance.
• Separation Before Elevation — God removes what's hurting you before he elevates you. The narrow road feels small at first — because he's clearing the path.
• Financial Success vs. Legacy — You can be a billionaire no one has ever heard of, or a poor person who changed millions of lives. Legacy isn't about money. It's about love.
• It's Not Guys vs. Girls — It's Broken vs. Healed — Gio reframes the entire culture war between men and women: stop pointing fingers and start asking whether you're healed or still broken.

Scriptures Referenced

• Ephesians 3:20 — More than you can ask or imagine
• Matthew 7:13-14 — Enter through the narrow gate
• John 8 — The woman caught in adultery; kindness leads to repentance
• Romans 2:4 — His kindness leads to repentance

Key Quotes

"Men are trying to find their identity on a scale that is broken." — Gio

"You act like who you think you are." — Gio

"Separation comes before elevation." — Gio

"The devil doesn't want you to know how powerful you are." — Gio

"It's not guys against girls. It's broken versus healed." — Gio

"Men are not machines." — Rachael

Practical Takeaways

• Talk to God like a friend — ask him to show you your value in your own words, no performance required
• Build community where men can miss the mark and still be loved
• Stop settling in relationships until God has shown you your own worth

About This Series:

Each episode, one man. One question. The answers are already revealing a pattern. If you're a man with something to say — we want to hear it.

We're asking one question to as many men as we can: What is the main problem men are facing in society based on your experience?

Season three opens with a conversation that's been building since the very first episode. Rachael, mom of two teenage boys and host of We Take the Stairs, sits down with Jackson and guest Kenny — a man of faith, combat sports enthusiast, and someone who has made it his mission to do life with other men — to ask the question she's been circling for years: Why are men walking away? And what do we do about it?

What unfolds is one of the most honest, wide-ranging conversations this show has ever had. Fatherlessness. Passivity. Identity confusion. The school system failing boys. The church failing men. Gangs as counterfeit brotherhood. And what it actually looks like to channel masculine energy toward something good. This isn't theory. These are men who've lived it.

Guest Kenny — Man of faith, jiu-jitsu practitioner, and community builder based in South Florida. Kenny leads beach workouts that bring men together to do hard things, pursue Christ, and find the brotherhood that culture has failed to provide them.

Key Topics Covered

• Why Men Keep Quitting — Kenny traces the roots of male passivity back to boyhood: participation trophies, lack of grit, absent fathers, and a generation of boys who were never told they have what it takes to finish what they started.
• Fatherlessness and the Question Every Boy Asks — When a father leaves, the wound isn't just practical. It's identity. Was I not enough? Was it my fault? Kenny speaks to how only one relationship can truly heal that — and it's not with an earthly father.
• Identity Crisis in Modern Men — From social media to Hollywood's lone wolf myth, men are being told their value comes from what they do, how much they earn, or how many women they attract. Kenny dismantles that lie: your identity comes from who God says you are, not your performance.
• The Bullying Conversation Nobody Wants to Have — A raw and honest discussion about what boys actually need when they're being bullied — and why a mother's instinct, however loving, can't give a son what a father's voice can. You don't want the bully to be afraid of the teacher. You want the bully to be afraid of the boy.
• Gangs, Military, and the Counterfeit Brotherhood — Every man craves belonging, mission, and brotherhood. Kenny explains why gangs and harmful groups fill that void when nothing better is offered — and what a genuine alternative looks like.
• The Church Isn't Built for Men — Kenny and Jackson name something most people won't say out loud: most American churches are set up for women. Comfortable chairs, cappuccinos, and feelings check-ins aren't going to get men through the door — or keep them there.
• Meekness Is Not Weakness — One of the most powerful moments of the episode. Kenny breaks down the Greek military origin of the word meek — a wild horse trained to be a war horse, power under authority — and reframes what the Sermon on the Mount is actually calling men to be.
• What a Men's Group Actually Looks Like — Beach workouts. Weighted vest carries. Hikes. Prayer. A word from scripture. And then — after men have done something hard together — the real conversations happen. Kenny and Jackson describe what community built for men actually requires.
• Boys in the Education System — Rachael brings her experience as a school parent: boys are being told to sit down, shut up, and conform. Testosterone surges, physical energy, and competitive instincts are being diagnosed and medicated instead of channeled. The system isn't built for them.

Scriptures Referenced

• Jeremiah 1 — Called by name, set apart before birth, given identity and purpose
• Matthew 5:5 — "Blessed are the meek" — meekness as power under authority, not weakness
• Genesis 2:18 — It is not good for man to be alone
• Isaiah 60/61 — Called to set the captives free
• Philippians — Paul's correction with love, received with grace

Books Referenced Wild at Heart — John Eldredge Kenny's go-to on masculine identity, the heart of a boy, and what men are truly made for. The bullying scene with Eldredge and his son is referenced directly.

The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe — C.S. Lewis "Safe? Who said anything about safe? But he is good." The beaver's response to Susan becomes a lens for understanding God's call on men's lives.

Key Quotes

"Masculinity bestows masculinity. You can't get it from a woman. You can't get it from your mom." — Kenny

"The enemy always offers a counterfeit to God's design. Gangs are a counterfeit of what the family of God should look like." — Kenny

"A fire out of control destroys. A fire too weak leaves people cold and starving. But a fire under control provides warmth, light, and food." — Kenny

"Women connect face to face. Men connect side by side — doing something together." — Jackson

"Don't tell me everything. Just — let's go." — Jackson

Practical Takeaways

• Find men to do hard things with — not just coffee, but something that requires showing up
• If you're a father, show your son, don't just tell him — children follow example, not words
• Channel a boy's energy toward something good before someone else channels it toward something destructive
• Start with five minutes of prayer in the morning before the phone comes out
• If you're building a men's group, make it require something — comfort creates complacency

About This Series

Each episode, one man. One question. The answers are already revealing a pattern. If you're a man with something to say — we want to hear it.

We're asking one question to as many men as we can: What is the main problem men are facing in society based on your experience?

In our first episode, hosts Jackson and Rachael sit down with Jeremy — South Florida filmmaker, entrepreneur, and man of faith — and his answer cuts straight to the bone: pride, procrastination, and lust. What follows is one of the most honest conversations you'll hear a man have on camera. This isn't a shame spiral. It's a roadmap.

Guest Jeremy — Filmmaker and owner of a production company serving luxury resorts and hotels, documentary storyteller, and founder of the nonprofit Rock Jar, inspired by the Israelites' practice of building stone altars to remember God's faithfulness. Currently engaged and living in South Florida. (@Seasidemedia on instagram )

Key Topics Covered

• Lust & Pornography Addiction — Jeremy opens up about how pride fed his struggle with lust and objectifying women, and how God transformed his perspective — learning to see women as the Father's daughters rather than objects for his own gratification.
• The Damage Porn Does in Relationships — Rachael shares her firsthand experience being in a relationship with someone deep in pornography addiction, describing the invisible but devastating toll it takes on a woman's sense of worth, attractiveness, and visibility. "You know when they look right through you. You're wallpaper."
• Women's Accountability in Modesty — A candid, balanced discussion about cultural norms around clothing, the tension between freedom and conviction, and the encouragement for women to seek the Holy Spirit's guidance rather than respond to external pressure.
• Why Discipline Alone Fails — Drawing from Colossians 2:20–23, Jackson challenges the idea that accountability systems and self-imposed rules can defeat deep-rooted sin. Willpower has an expiration date. The real answer is surrender, not strain.
• Passivity & Procrastination in Men — Jeremy reframes procrastination as passivity — a failure to show up, follow through, and lead. The parable of the talents and Proverbs' image of the ant are both referenced. Men were made to move.
• The Power of Male Community — All three speakers agree: isolation is a tool of the enemy. Men need other men — a pack, a mentor, a group with shared purpose. Not to confess failure in discouraging cycles, but to pursue Christ together with eyes forward.
• Morning Prayer as a Starting Point — A practical, low-barrier encouragement: five minutes in the morning, phone down, no music. Just "Hey God, I'm here. What do you want?" That's enough to begin.
• Biblical Submission Reframed — Jeremy closes with a clarification on the husband-as-head-of-household passage: both spouses submit toward each other and toward Christ — mutual, inward, love-driven. Not one person lording over another.

Scriptures Referenced

• 1 Corinthians 6 — Sexual sin as sin against your own body
• Colossians 2:20–23 — Disciplines have no power against the indulgence of flesh
• Matthew 6:33 — "Seek first the kingdom of God…"
• Proverbs 18:1 — He who isolates himself seeks his own desire
• Song of Solomon — The bridegroom and bride as a picture of Christ and the church
• The Parable of the Talents — Risk, passivity, and multiplying what you're given
• Psalm 46:10 — "Be still and know"

Book Recommended Abiding in Christ — Andrew Murray A 31-day devotional on living in moment-by-moment communion with Christ. Jeremy credits it as transformational for both his walk and his freedom from addiction. Take as many days per entry as you need. That's the point.

Key Quotes "What you set your eyes on — that is where you're going to go." — Jeremy

"Your disciplines can get you by, but you're still wrestling with the original sin." — Jackson

"I love this more than you, Lord. He's not going to be upset when you say that." — Jeremy

"Men need men. No one person can be everything." — Rachael

Practical Takeaways

• Remove yourself from situations where you've fallen before — change the environment
• Be honest with God about loving the sin, not just performing repentance
• Find a group pursuing Christ together, not just managing failure
• Start with five minutes of quiet in the morning before the phone comes out
• Get a mentor — someone older who has walked it

About This Series

Each episode, one man. One question. The answers are already revealing a pattern. If you're a man with something to say — we want to hear it.

What do you feel in the moment someone shoots you? For Pablo, it wasn't fear or rage — it was love and understanding. In this raw, unfiltered episode of Let's Break Bread, Rachel and Jackson sit down with Pablo, a young man whose life was shattered — and rebuilt — in ways he never could have planned.
Paralyzed from the chest down at 22 after being shot by someone he was trying to help, Pablo shares a journey that spans rebellion, estrangement, the cannabis industry, Colombia, psychosis, and an unexpected encounter with the Holy Spirit that changed everything.
Told through the lens of the Prodigal Son, this is a story about identity, purpose, forgiveness, grace — and why God sometimes doesn't meet you halfway. He comes all the way to you.

Timestamps

00:00 — Welcome & the Prodigal Son framework
02:04 — Pablo's story: Colombia, rebellion, and coming home
03:48 — Meeting a friend in need and the cannabis industry
05:30 — When helping someone becomes dangerous
07:00 — Shot nine times. Paralyzed from the chest down.
07:55 — What Pablo felt in that moment (you won't expect this)
09:46 — The phone call to his mom and what it meant
12:16 — Sleep deprivation, psychosis, and understanding the shooter
13:27 — Pablo's spiritual awakening four months ago
15:30 — Grace: from Windows 98 to AI
17:07 — Tony Robbins, a hospital bed, and the word "grace"
18:48 — Jackson explains the Baptism of the Holy Spirit
20:51 — The hospital, the fire department, and "Mom, this is big"
23:02 — Ephesians 3:16–19: the scripture that came at 3:30am
24:13 — Your gift of discernment: how to steward it
26:20 — Advice for mothers of prodigal sons
29:30 — What Pablo would say to young men today
31:42 — Fear vs. love: which is the better motivator for obedience?
34:11 — The small pebbles are harder than the boulders
37:09 — Identities Pablo had to release: money, status, body
41:21 — Jim Carrey, Solomon, and the void only God can fill
50:34 — What would you tell someone heading away from God?
51:42 — What's next for Pablo?
56:10 — Jeremiah 1 & a prophetic declaration over Pablo's life
59:05 — The Chosen, Little James, and Pablo's wheelchair as a superpower
01:03:30 — Mat carriers: who's lowering you through the roof?
01:05:09 — We Takes & closing words

Key Quotes

"The only thing I felt when he shot me was love and understanding. I knew it wasn't him." — Pablo

"Fear of God is not hell-avoidance. It's understanding that the worst possible thing is to be separated from Him." — Jackson

"Most of the prisons we live in exist in our own minds." — Rachel

"Fear nothing else but God. As long as that's at the center, you'll be okay." — Pablo

"Your hands, your work, your voice, your story — that is your worship." — Jackson

"Through suffering, we come to terms with the truth of who we truly are." — Rachel

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If this episode moved you, share it with someone who's walking away from God, someone rebuilding their identity, or a mom who hasn't stopped praying for her son.

The breakdown of communication between men and women.

Why is it that when things get hard…
men tend to go quiet —
and women feel like they have to get louder just to be heard?

This episode unpacks the emotional and psychological patterns behind that disconnect, revealing how both men and women are often reacting to the same core need:

to feel understood, respected, and safe.

Together, the group explores:

Why men shut down instead of opening up
Why women escalate when they don’t feel heard
The difference between feeling respected vs feeling loved
How small communication habits create major relationship gaps
Why men often try to “fix” problems instead of listening
How women can feel unseen even when men are trying
The role of tone, timing, and emotional awareness in conversations

Through real stories and honest reflection, this episode highlights a powerful truth:

Most relationship conflict isn’t about the issue — it’s about how we communicate through it.
And if we don’t learn to understand each other’s language…
we slowly start to lose each other.

Episode Chapters

00:00 – Welcome & Episode Setup
02:00 – The Core Problem: Communication Breakdown
05:00 – Why Men Go Quiet
09:00 – Why Women Get Louder
13:00 – Feeling Heard vs Feeling Respected
17:00 – The “Fix It” vs “Feel It” Dynamic
22:00 – How Miscommunication Builds Resentment
27:00 – Emotional Triggers in Relationships
32:00 – Real-Life Examples of Communication Fails
38:00 – Tone, Timing & Delivery Matter
43:00 – Learning Each Other’s Communication Style
49:00 – Creating Emotional Safety
54:00 – Final We Takes: How to Do It Better

Key Takeaways

Men often shut down when they feel disrespected or overwhelmed
Women often escalate when they feel unheard or unsupported
Most arguments aren’t about the topic — they’re about delivery and emotion
Understanding your partner’s communication style is essential
Healthy communication requires intentional effort from both sides

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Why are more men returning to the church — while many women are stepping away?

Starting with a controversial passage from 1 Timothy 2:11–15, the conversation explores how scripture is often misunderstood, taken out of context, and used in ways that push people — especially women — away from faith.

But this episode goes deeper than theology.

It unpacks the real tension between modern culture and biblical design, including:

The struggle modern women feel with words like submission
Why men feel valued primarily for money and success
How society has reshaped masculinity — and often labeled it “toxic”
The difference between leadership and provision
Why communication between men and women is breaking down
How respect, listening, and emotional safety shape relationships

Jackson shares powerful insight into how men think and communicate — including why men often shut down instead of speaking up, and how something as simple as feeling heard changes everything.

The episode ultimately reframes leadership:
It’s not about control. It’s about service.
And asks a deeper question:
What if the solution isn’t choosing sides — but learning how to understand each other again?

Episode Chapters

00:00 – Welcome & Episode Setup
02:00 – The Scripture That Sparks the Conversation
05:00 – Why “Submission” Feels Difficult Today
08:00 – Feminism, Culture & Too Many Choices
11:00 – Context Matters: Understanding the Bible Correctly
15:00 – Identity in Christ vs Cultural Identity
19:00 – Women Carrying Multiple Roles Today
23:00 – Why Men Feel Valued Only for Money
27:00 – Communication Breakdown Between Men & Women
31:00 – Why Men Shut Down Emotionally
35:00 – Respect vs Love: What Men Actually Need
40:00 – Real-Life Example: Men Want to Solve Problems
45:00 – When Communication Goes Wrong (Relatable Story)
49:00 – Leadership vs Provision Explained
53:00 – Servant Leadership in Marriage
57:00 – Final We Takes: Respect, Grace & Growth

Key Takeaways

Men and women are not competing — they’re designed to complement
Leadership is service, not control
Men often shut down because they don’t feel heard or respected
Women often feel overwhelmed because they’re carrying too much
Communication — not assumption — is the bridge

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The conversation begins with a challenging scripture from 1 Timothy 2:11–15, which instructs women to learn quietly and not assume authority over men. For many modern women, this verse can feel difficult or even offensive — but when understood in historical and biblical context, it opens a deeper discussion about leadership, submission, and the roles of men and women in faith and family.

Together, the group explores:

• Why traditional biblical roles feel difficult in modern culture
• The difference between leadership and financial provision
• How media and society often frame masculinity as toxic
• Why many men feel valued only for money or success
• How communication breakdowns damage relationships
• Why respect and listening are essential for both men and women
• The importance of context when interpreting scripture

Jackson shares insights about leadership through service and humility, while Rachael reflects on how society’s messaging toward men may be contributing to the breakdown of relationships and family structures.

The conversation ultimately asks a powerful question:

What happens when men and women stop competing and start understanding each other again?

Through faith, honest dialogue, and humility, the group reflects on how both men and women can step more fully into their roles while honoring one another.

Episode Chapters

00:00 – Welcome & Today’s Topic: Men Returning to Church
 02:00 – The Controversial Scripture: 1 Timothy 2:11–15
 05:00 – Why “Submission” Is Difficult for Modern Women
 07:30 – Feminism, Choice & Cultural Messaging
 10:00 – Context Matters: Understanding Paul’s Letter to Timothy
 13:00 – Biblical Modesty and Respect
 16:00 – Identity in Christ vs Cultural Identity
 20:00 – Women Leading by Necessity in Modern Homes
 23:00 – Society’s Expectations for Men and Money
 27:00 – Communication Breakdowns Between Men and Women
 31:00 – Why Men Shut Down Emotionally
 35:00 – Respect, Listening & Emotional Safety
 40:00 – A Real Story About Men Wanting to Solve Problems
 45:00 – How Men Show Love Through Fixing Problems
 48:00 – Leadership vs Financial Provision
 52:00 – Dave Ramsey Example: Servant Leadership in Marriage
 55:00 – The Importance of Conversations in Relationships
 58:00 – Final We Takes: Leadership, Respect & Faith

Key Topics Discussed

• Men returning to church
• Women leaving church and modern faith struggles
• Biblical roles of men and women
• Submission and leadership in relationships
• Masculinity and societal expectations
• Communication between men and women
• Leadership through service
• Christian marriage and partnership
• Identity in Christ

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In this episode of We Take the Stairs, we unpack one of the most controversial relationship topics of this generation: body count, modesty, shame, and double standards — and how Jesus reframes all of it.

Special guest Jackson shares his powerful transformation story — from sleeping around and cultural normalization to repentance, purity, and preparing for covenant marriage.

This episode dives into:

• Body count and the shame conversation
• Double standards between men and women
• Modesty, control, and self-respect
• Trauma from father wounds
• Identity and heart posture
• Saving sex for marriage vs cultural normalization
• What makes someone feel safe in a relationship
• How to respond instead of react when triggered
• Choosing your partner daily
• Submission to Christ over ego

Jackson shares his transformation story — from promiscuity and manipulation to repentance, heart change, and preparing for covenant marriage. Rachel opens up about father wounds and disillusionment from broken relationships. Brianna and Dusty offer raw perspective on safety, control, independence, and generational patterns.

The question at the center of this episode:

How do we love one another the way Jesus loved us — especially when our trauma is triggered?

This is not a conversation about perfection.
It’s a conversation about heart posture.

Episode Chapters

00:00 – Welcome to Season 2 & Special Guest Jackson
 03:00 – Why Relationships Are Subjective but Love Is Not
 06:00 – A 14-Year-Old’s Perspective on Dating
 10:00 – Modesty, Boundaries & Deal Breakers
 14:00 – The “Talking Phase” & Modern Dating Confusion
 18:00 – Men, Self-Respect & Cultural Messaging
 23:00 – Jackson’s Story: Promiscuity, Shame & Transformation
 30:00 – Body Count, Double Standards & Judgment
 36:00 – Saving Sex for Marriage: Rule or Heart Posture?
 42:00 – From Shame to Freedom Through Christ
 49:00 – Control vs Protection in Relationships
 55:00 – Emotional Safety & Masculinity
 01:01:00 – What Women Actually Need in Relationships
 01:10:00 – Submission to Jesus & Daily Commitment
 01:16:00 – Quick to Hear, Slow to Speak (James 1:19)
 01:20:00 – Preview: Women, Church & Traditional Roles

Key Topics Discussed

• Christian dating and purity
• Body count double standards
• Trauma responses in relationships
• Father wounds and identity
• Emotional safety and vulnerability
• Masculinity and emotional leadership
• Control vs protection
• Submission to Christ in marriage
• Choosing your partner daily
• Healing shame through Jesus

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We start somewhere deeper.

After a chaotic week of moving (and rescuing an injured kitten in the middle of traffic), Rachel shares an unexpected realization: communication doesn’t begin with your partner — it begins with how you speak to yourself.

From internal negative self-talk to relationship triggers, from motherhood and marriage strain to the power of prayer and reframing your words — this episode dives into the real roots of communication breakdown.

If we tear ourselves down internally, how can we build others up externally?

This conversation explores:

• The impact of negative self-talk on relationships
• How childhood wounds shape adult communication styles
• Why men often retreat into silence
• The tension that can arise in marriage after children
• Love languages, safety, and emotional maturity
• Why prayer softens hearts and strengthens partnership

Rooted in Proverbs 18:21 — “Death and life are in the power of the tongue” — this episode challenges us to speak life over ourselves, our partners, and our homes.

Episode Chapters

00:00 – Season 2, Episode 2: Women & Communication
 02:00 – The Kitten Story and Stress Under Pressure
 05:00 – The Realization: Communication Starts With Self-Talk
 06:30 – Negative Internal Monologue and Society’s Breakdown
 08:00 – Reframing Thoughts Instead of Criticizing Yourself
 09:30 – Death and Life Are in the Tongue (Proverbs 18:21)
 11:00 – Setting Boundaries and Speaking Kindly
 13:30 – Childhood Wounds and People-Pleasing
 17:00 – Men’s Silence vs Women’s Interpretation
 20:00 – Communication Styles: Passive, Aggressive, Assertive, Collaborative
 24:00 – The “Crazy Cycle” in Relationships
 28:00 – Marriage, Safety, and Commitment
 32:00 – What Happens When Kids Enter the Marriage
 36:00 – Feeling Alone Inside Partnership
 38:30 – Setting the Tone at Home
 41:00 – Love Languages and Emotional Needs
 45:00 – The Power of Prayer in Relationships
 50:00 – Grace for Yourself and Your Partner
 53:00 – We Takes and Solutions

Key Topics Discussed

• Women and communication
• Negative self-talk and emotional triggers
• Marriage after children
• Love languages in relationships
• Men’s communication through silence
• Collaborative vs aggressive communication
• Prayer in marriage
• Emotional safety and vulnerability
• Christian perspective on relationships

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After wrapping Season 1 and exploring deeper conversations through Let’s Break Bread, Rachel returns with a new focus: revisiting last season’s themes — but this time through a female perspective.

In this premiere episode, Rachel is joined by co-hosts Dusty Ramirez and Brianna Garcia for an honest conversation about what it means to be a modern woman balancing relationships, work, motherhood, marriage, and the invisible mental load that so often goes unnoticed.

Together, they explore the cultural “girl boss” expectation, the pressure to do it all, and the reality that women often carry more than they show. The episode also dives into the communication breakdown between men and women — not as a gender war, but as an invitation to bridge the gap with empathy, rituals, reassurance, and healthier messaging.

This episode is rooted in Romans 12:18:
 “Do your best to live at peace with everyone.”

A conversation about roles, validation, emotional safety, and learning how to encourage one another instead of training, withholding, or shutting down.

Episode Chapters

00:00 – Welcome Back: Season 2 Begins
 02:00 – Introducing Dusty Ramirez and Breonna Garcia
 04:30 – Why This Season Shifts to a Female Perspective
 06:00 – The “Girl Boss” Label and Women in Corporate Life
 08:30 – Can Women Really Do It All?
 10:00 – The Mental Load and the Need for Reassurance
 11:30 – Where Men and Women Miscommunicate
 13:00 – Creating Safe Space for Hard Conversations
 15:00 – “Do You Want Me to Listen or Fix It?”
 17:00 – Men’s Emotions and the Double Standard
 20:00 – Timing, Tone, and Emotional Overwhelm
 23:00 – Hyper-Independence and Doing Everything Alone
 25:00 – Traditional Roles, Modern Pressure, and Choice
 30:00 – Motherhood as the CEO of the Home
 34:30 – Why Women Struggle to Ask for Help
 37:30 – Encouraging Men Instead of “Training” Them
 41:00 – Small Acts That Matter: Trash, Groceries, Support
 44:00 – Setting Rituals: Tea, Candles, Phones Down
 49:00 – We Takes: Final Reflections and Solutions
 54:00 – Preview: Women and Communication Next Week

Key Topics Discussed

• The mental load women carry in marriage and motherhood
• Corporate life and female leadership
• Validation vs reassurance in relationships
• Hyper-independence and burnout
• Men as problem-solvers vs women as emotional processors
• Creating rituals for healthier communication
• Encouraging men instead of withholding affection
• Building peace and mutual understanding at home

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We are more connected than ever, yet we’ve never felt more alone. We’ve traded community for confirmation bias, creating a “table for one” that leaves no room for difference.

In this special “Side Quest” episode recorded in New York City, Rachel and Junior sit down with Trey and Haley—two new friends from different corners of the world—to discuss the breakdown of modern communication.

This organic conversation tackles:

• Why we shut down when we don’t “see ourselves” in the conversation

• The cultural shift from “Yes We Can” (The We) to the era of “All About Me”

• How algorithms and confirmation bias are fueling isolation

• The lingering impact of the pandemic on our ability to be vulnerable

• Why fear is the seed of hate, and shame is the root of separation

• The difference between fighting against an enemy and fighting for a community

If you feel exhausted by polarization or lonely despite being online, this episode offers a hopeful path toward real connection.

Timestamps / Chapters

00:00 – Welcome to NYC: A Special Side Quest
02:15 – Meet the Guests: Trey & Haley
05:40 – The Communication Breakdown: Why We Shut Down
09:00 – The Shift from “We” to “Me”
11:30 – Algorithms, Confirmation Bias, and the “Table for One”
16:15 – The COVID Effect: Why We Are Still Running Scared
24:00 – Fear is the Seed, Shame is the Root
28:00 – How to Have Conversations with People You Disagree With
38:30 – Fighting For Something vs. Fighting Against an Enemy 
43:00 – The Crippling Effect of Shame on Community 
51:00 – Gender Dynamics: Why Men and Women Aren’t Hearing Each Other 
58:00 – The Pendulum Swing of Power and Oppression 
64:00 – “We Takes”: Final Thoughts on Trust and Intention

What You’ll Learn in This Episode

• How to expand your “frame” to invite others to the table

• Why discomfort is necessary for growth and connection

• How to identify when you are seeking confirmation rather than truth

• The importance of face-to-face conversation in the age of AI

• How to move past fear to rebuild trust in your community

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In this powerful episode of We Take the Stairs: Let’s Break Bread, we speak with an anonymous guest whose life in security keeps him unseen — but whose approach to fatherhood is anything but absent.

From raising a daughter largely on his own, to enforcing boundaries, creating emotional safety, and pushing back against influencer culture, this conversation dives deep into what children truly need: structure, honesty, tools, and accountability.

This episode challenges cultural narratives around masculinity, parenting, and freedom — and offers a grounded perspective on how parents, especially fathers, can lead without controlling and love without enabling.

Timestamps / Chapters

00:00 – Welcome to Let’s Break Bread
02:00 – Why This Guest Remains Anonymous
04:00 – Single Fatherhood and Stepping Up
06:30 – Absence of Fathers in Modern Society
09:00 – Learning Leadership Without a Model
11:00 – Military Discipline and Parenting
14:00 – Giving Kids Tools to Succeed
16:00 – Nuclear Family vs. Reality
18:30 – Odds of Success Without Parental Structure
21:00 – Teen Boundaries and Tough Love
23:30 – Safety, Awareness, and Discipline
26:00 – Teaching Structure Through Scheduling
29:00 – Supporting vs. Enabling
31:30 – Communication and Emotional Trust
34:00 – Why Parents Can’t Be Best Friends
36:30 – Honesty, Boundaries, and Truth
39:00 – COVID Kids and Social Damage
41:30 – Phones, Technology, and Connection
44:00 – Influencer Culture and False Authority
46:30 – Masculinity and Accountability
49:00 – Listening as Leadership
52:00 – Control, God, and Identity
57:00 – Living Small to Win Big
01:02:00 – Closing Thoughts on Parenting and Society

What You’ll Learn in This Episode

How fathers can lead with strength and empathy
Why discipline creates safety, not fear
The danger of influencer-driven identity
How technology impacts emotional development
Why accountability is essential for growth
How to communicate honestly with your children

Keywords 

fatherhood podcast, single dad raising daughter, parenting discipline, masculinity and leadership, parenting in digital age, father absence crisis, communication breakdown, raising confident children, We Take the Stairs

Joined by two respected mentors and longtime husbands, Tony Robinson and Dr. Gordon Johnson, this conversation explores marriage as covenant, not convenience. We unpack what makes relationships last, why marriage isn’t “simple,” and how faith, structure, mentorship, and humility shape healthy unions over decades.

Through personal testimony, biblical reflection, and honest dialogue, this episode confronts cultural confusion around marriage, masculinity, perfection, and self-centered living. We discuss why many relationships fail before they start, how unhealed trauma affects partnership, and why true commitment requires asking not what do I want, but what am I bringing to the table?

This is a conversation for men discerning marriage, women seeking balance, parents raising sons, and anyone longing for relationships built on faith, sacrifice, and mutual growth.

Episode Chapters

00:00 – Introduction to Let’s Break Bread and the In-Between Season
03:30 – Why This Conversation on Marriage Matters
05:30 – Introducing Tony Robinson and Dr. Gordon Johnson
08:30 – Respect, Leadership, and Honoring One’s Wife
12:00 – No Marriage Is Perfect, But Commitment Is
15:00 – Growing Together vs. Growing Apart
18:30 – Marriage as Covenant, Not Convenience
22:00 – Choosing Marriage for the Right “Why”
26:00 – Trauma, Communication, and Emotional Maturity
30:00 – Faith, Structure, and Christ as the Center of the Home
34:30 – What Are You Bringing to the Table?
38:30 – The Breakdown of Marriage in Modern Culture
42:00 – Confusion, Information Overload, and Loss of Moral Center
46:00 – The Collective Good vs. Radical Individualism
49:30 – Sin, Accountability, and Picking Up the Trash
53:00 – Perfection, Repentance, and Changed Behavior
56:30 – Closing Reflections on Marriage, Faith, and Hope

Key Topics Discussed

• Marriage as a biblical covenant
• Faith-based leadership in the home
• Masculinity and emotional maturity
• Longevity in marriage
• Trauma, healing, and self-awareness
• Why relationships fail before they begin
• Christ-centered relationships
• Community, responsibility, and the collective good

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This conversation dives into the biblical role of fathers, the difference between masculinity and toxic masculinity, and why men are increasingly feeling unneeded in the home. We also discuss how spiritual fathers and mentors can step in where biological fathers are absent, and how healing begins when we understand God as Father.

This episode is for men seeking clarity, parents raising sons, leaders discipling young men, and anyone wrestling with the question: What does healthy masculinity actually look like?

Episode Chapters

00:00 – Why We Started We Take the Stairs
02:00 – Introducing Let’s Break Bread
04:30 – The Fatherless Crisis in Today’s Society
07:50 – Biblical Roles of Fathers in the Home
11:30 – Why Masculinity Is Misunderstood
15:30 – A Mother’s Perspective on Father Absence
18:45 – When Fathers Are Emotionally Present but Spiritually Absent
22:40 – Strength, Discipline, and Love in Fatherhood
26:50 – How Father Wounds Shape Adult Men
31:00 – Masculinity vs. Toxic Masculinity
35:10 – Why Men Feel Unneeded in Modern Culture
38:30 – The Role of Mentors When Fathers Are Absent
42:00 – Love as Discipline, Not Permissiveness
45:20 – Healing Through God as Father
49:00 – What Each Guest Took From the Conversation
53:30 – Final Reflections and Closing Prayer

Key Topics Discussed

• The fatherhood crisis in modern society
• Biblical masculinity vs. cultural masculinity
• Father wounds and emotional development in men
• The importance of men in the home
• Christian fatherhood and leadership
• Spiritual fathers, mentors, and discipleship
• Healing identity through God as Father

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The group discusses the impact of the pandemic, rising isolation, and the overload of confusing messages in media. They talk about why many men are craving clear moral direction, accountability, and spaces where they can be honest without performing. The conversation touches on past church hurt, shifting gender roles, and how modern church communities are becoming more Christ centered and less personality driven.

Throughout the episode, the hosts highlight leadership, fellowship, fatherhood, mentorship, and emotional honesty. There are personal testimonies about depression, addiction, surrender, and how faith has brought healing and clarity. They also reflect on Gen Z men searching for identity and meaning in a noisy world.

The episode closes with a shared reminder that church is not a building. Church is wherever two or three gather with the Word at the center.

Scripture references
 Hebrews 10:24 to 25
 1 Thessalonians 5:11

Hosts
 Rachael, Liz, Junior, Z

Website
 wetakethestairs.com

The group talks about the impact of the pandemic, the rise of isolation, the flood of confusing messages in media, and how many men are craving clear moral direction and a place where they can breathe and be honest. They reflect on past church hurt, shifting gender roles, cultural changes, and how accountability has made modern church spaces more open, humble, and focused on Christ rather than personality or performance.

The episode highlights structure, leadership, fellowship, fatherhood, mentorship, emotional honesty, and the hunger men have for real truth in a world full of noise.
 There are personal testimonies about depression, addiction, surrender, and how finding faith brought healing.
 There are reflections on Gen Z men searching for identity and meaning.
 And there is a shared understanding that church is not a building. Church is wherever two or three gather with the living Word at the center.

Scripture references
 Hebrews 1024 to 25
 One Thessalonians 511

Hosts
 Rachael, Liz, Junior, Z

Website
 wetakethestairs.com

Rachael, Liz, Junior, and guest Meg start with the real question that sparked this discussion. When a woman dresses in a certain way and her boyfriend asks her not to, is he trying to protect her or trying to control her? The group explores intention, perception, insecurity, image, and how past experiences shape the way both men and women respond to these conversations.

The discussion goes deeper into identity, ego, cultural expectations, and biblical context. The hosts talk about modesty, accountability, communication, and how both men and women contribute to misunderstandings around lust, protection, and autonomy. They highlight why tone matters, why delivery matters, and why relationships fall apart when people cannot communicate without feeling attacked.

With honesty and transparency, the group unpacks how to have these conversations in a healthy way. Ask questions. Understand your own bias. Lead with grace instead of pride. Take responsibility for your own heart before trying to correct someone else. And be willing to accept when someone is not aligned with you rather than trying to control them.

This is a challenging but important conversation, reminding listeners that real leadership, real love, and real protection come from humility and communication, not control.

Hosts Rachael, Liz, Junior, Z
Guest Meg Worth
Website wetakethestairs.com

They share personal stories of comparison, insecurity, and healing, reflecting on how faith and authenticity play a role in reclaiming self-worth. The group discusses the difference between healthy discipline and obsession, the impact of social media filters, and how unrealistic ideals can shape mental health.

This episode is a reminder that true beauty comes from authenticity and spiritual strength, not perfection. Through honest discussion and biblical reflection, the hosts challenge listeners to love themselves as God created them, to seek balance, and to choose vulnerability over vanity.

Scripture reference
 Ephesians 2:10 — “For we are God’s masterpiece. He has created us anew in Christ Jesus, so we can do the good things he planned for us long ago.”

Hosts
 Rachael, Liz, Junior, Z

Website
 wetakethestairs.com

Ryan shares his journey of being diagnosed with prostate cancer just eight weeks before recording this episode and how humor, faith, and honesty have helped him stay strong through the process. The group discusses how pride, fear, and cultural expectations often stop men from seeking help, and how vulnerability is actually a form of strength.

They reflect on how society and media shape our ideas of masculinity, the impact of silence on mental health, and how faith can bring peace in the middle of fear. Together, they remind listeners that real courage starts with communication and that healing begins when we stop walking alone.

Scripture reference
 1 Corinthians 6:19 – “Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God?”
 Galatians 6:2 – “Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.”

Hosts
 Rachael, Liz, Junior, Z

Guests
 Ryan Mackenzie Raymond and John

Website
 wetakethestairs.com

The conversation looks at how incarceration disproportionately affects men, especially Black and Latino men, and the ripple effects across generations. From the broken prison system to the power of simple communication, the group explores how faith, love, and empathy can start to heal what systems have damaged.

Liz shares her experience performing poetry inside prisons and how small moments of human connection bring hope to people who feel forgotten. Junior opens up about his father’s incarceration and the peace that comes from brief check ins and answered calls. Together, the hosts remind listeners that grace and mercy are not earned. They are freely given.

Scripture reference
 Hebrews 13:3. “Continue to remember those in prison as if you were together with them in prison, and those who are mistreated as if you yourselves were suffering.”

Hosts
 Rachael, Liz, Junior, Z

Website
 wetakethestairs.com

The conversation begins lightheartedly as Rachael, Liz, Junior, and Z reflect on their favorite childhood shows like The Cosby Show, Family Matters, and The Fresh Prince of Bel Air. What starts as nostalgia quickly turns into a deeper discussion about fatherhood, masculinity, and how media has shifted from celebrating strong family figures to often portraying men as disconnected or foolish.

The group examines what these portrayals mean for young men today, how they affect self image and family dynamics, and what balance might look like between strength and vulnerability. They discuss the importance of healthy communication, accountability, and faith, reminding listeners that while culture may change, God's word remains steady.

Each host closes with a heartfelt We Take reflection on fatherhood, faith, and the power of conversation.

Scripture 1 Corinthians 1613 Be on alert. Stand firm in the faith. Be men of courage. Be strong.

Hosts Rachael, Liz, Junior, and Z
 Website wetakethestairs.com

The conversation uncovers why communication between men and women can feel so different and how societal expectations often discourage men from speaking openly. The group discusses biblical truth, the power of listening, and how silence can both protect and isolate. From fatherhood to friendship, the episode highlights the importance of empathy, vulnerability, and learning to speak with love and purpose.

They remind listeners that growth starts at home and that healing begins when we put down our defenses and learn to listen with grace.

Scripture: James 1:19 – “Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to become angry.”

Hosts Rachael, Junior, and Z
 Special Guest: Cole Spicer of Echo Studios
 Website wetakethestairs.com

From outdated expectations of masculinity to the lack of male role models in classrooms, they explore how boys are taught to do rather than be, and how this conditioning shapes their confidence, emotions, and sense of worth. The group discusses everything from early childhood education to cultural stereotypes, pay gaps, and the need for more male presence and mentorship in schools.

It’s a deep, honest conversation about how we can better support our sons, students, and young men — not by lowering expectations, but by understanding how they learn best and creating environments where they can grow into strong, compassionate leaders.

Scripture: Proverbs 22:6 — “Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old, he will not depart from it.”

Hosts Rachael, Liz, Junior, and Z
 Website wetakethestairs.com

In this conversation they open up about their different journeys, faith backgrounds, and the shared mission that brought them together, choosing connection over division one step at a time. The group talks about why honest dialogue matters, how vulnerability builds strength, and what listeners can expect in the season ahead.

This episode sets the foundation for what We Take the Stairs is all about, real conversations rooted in faith, empathy, and growth.

Hosts Rachael, Liz, Junior, and Z
 Website wetakethestairs.com

They talk about the pressure men face to perform strength instead of expressing emotion, the labels that get attached too easily, and the deeper need for empathy and understanding in a world built on quick reactions. From fasting from social media to reflecting on how algorithms influence our thoughts, this conversation challenges all of us to slow down and listen.

The group reminds us that faith, accountability, and connection still matter in a digital age — and that taking the stairs means choosing growth over comfort, one step at a time.

Hosts: Rachael, Liz, Junior, and Z
 Website: wetakethestairs.com