<![CDATA[It Just Got Real]]>f822ed06-fe29-5ac4-8ff9-9ce77442f667Thu, 30 May 2024 16:53:22 +0000Captivate.fmHannah Donovan and Cheraé Robinsonhttps://artwork.captivate.fm/f7f4fc0c-b8fa-47e8-aaec-87049249bec8/Uco2MsHxLUx35SytruVUshPE.jpgIt Just Got RealHannah Donovan and Cheraé RobinsonHannah Donovan and Cheraé RobinsonHi! We’re Han & Cheraé, two friends constantly swapping stories on the journey of our careers. As we looked for inspiration, guidance, and community we realized we weren’t reflected anywhere, so we started sharing. Each episode starts with a moment where sh*t got real. We unpack it, ask the questions you rarely do in public, and share our hot takes on what’s happening in the world. We uncover the gems so you can take them into your own lives and work. Subscribe and join the fam!https://www.itjustgotreal.lifetrueepisodicnopodcastFrom Funder to FounderFrom Funder to FounderWhat does it mean to design your life? In this episode, Denisha Kuhlor, founder and CEO of Stan, shares her journey of embracing uncertainty, taking risks, and redefining her path. Through introspection and experimentation, she discovers the importance of pausing to reflect on one's true desires and the confidence that comes from learning through triumphs and setbacks.

Denisha's story of leaving the comfy world of venture capital and startup banking to start her own company rooted in her wildest dreams is a testament to the power of intentionality and adaptability. Get ready to be inspired and challenged to redesign your own life on your own terms.

]]>What does it mean to design your life? In this episode, Denisha Kuhlor, founder and CEO of Stan, shares her journey of embracing uncertainty, taking risks, and redefining her path. Through introspection and experimentation, she discovers the importance of pausing to reflect on one's true desires and the confidence that comes from learning through triumphs and setbacks.

Denisha's story of leaving the comfy world of venture capital and startup banking to start her own company rooted in her wildest dreams is a testament to the power of intentionality and adaptability. Get ready to be inspired and challenged to redesign your own life on your own terms.

]]>dd7e468d-ccd8-4c12-a24a-2c211c864464Thu, 30 May 2024 03:00:00 -070059:20truefull222Hannah Donovan and Cheraé RobinsonEverything EverywhereEverything EverywhereShyvonne lands in Bali, and things immediately get Very Real. With various challenges and unexpected situations, Shyvonne shares how she chose to embrace the moment and make the most of it: shifting from what was going wrong to embracing the abundance of life and living each day to the fullest. We talk trusting ourselves, what it means to take a calculated risk, and ultimately – transformative experiences. We also get into the practical and how Shyvonne Does It All by treating her life like a lesson plan – including the importance of rest. We also touch on 'Cowboy Carter' (because of course!) and Beyoncé’s celebration of Black country music culture.

]]>Shyvonne lands in Bali, and things immediately get Very Real. With various challenges and unexpected situations, Shyvonne shares how she chose to embrace the moment and make the most of it: shifting from what was going wrong to embracing the abundance of life and living each day to the fullest. We talk trusting ourselves, what it means to take a calculated risk, and ultimately – transformative experiences. We also get into the practical and how Shyvonne Does It All by treating her life like a lesson plan – including the importance of rest. We also touch on 'Cowboy Carter' (because of course!) and Beyoncé’s celebration of Black country music culture.

]]>a0e961a5-7e5f-4521-9d3c-efa9d9ba2eb5Mon, 06 May 2024 03:00:00 -070049:19truefull222Hannah Donovan and Cheraé RobinsonMake What You WantMake What You WantOn this episode, Snigdha Sur, founder of The Juggernaut, discusses the decision to raise prices and the challenges faced in a tough funding environment. As a community-driven platform focused on people largely underrepresented in the media space, this was a challenging balancing act. How do you focus on representation while leaving space for critique? How do you invite criticism of yourself while dealing with trolls and negativity? How do you make a business sustainable while trying to make sure it’s accessible and representative of people who feel deeply connected to the mission? We dive into all of this and more - including a slightly shady encounter with Priyanka Chopra Jonas on this episode.

]]>On this episode, Snigdha Sur, founder of The Juggernaut, discusses the decision to raise prices and the challenges faced in a tough funding environment. As a community-driven platform focused on people largely underrepresented in the media space, this was a challenging balancing act. How do you focus on representation while leaving space for critique? How do you invite criticism of yourself while dealing with trolls and negativity? How do you make a business sustainable while trying to make sure it’s accessible and representative of people who feel deeply connected to the mission? We dive into all of this and more - including a slightly shady encounter with Priyanka Chopra Jonas on this episode.

]]>dc17730d-df1f-4f7b-84f2-b6e9cefa06e2Thu, 18 Apr 2024 03:00:00 -070056:07truefull222Hannah Donovan and Cheraé RobinsonShifting Your PostureShifting Your PostureIn this episode, Cheraé shares a vulnerable moment at a team dinner that could’ve went entirely left. The tension between her current role in venture capital and her previous work building her startup were at a fever pitch and spilled over in a way she did not anticipate. After being gathered by a couple of her closest friends and confidantes, her perspective shifts dramatically and some incredible things start to happen. Han and Cheraé discuss the stories we tell ourselves in work and how they can be similar to the stories we tell ourselves in relationships and family. They also explore the importance of observation and how it contributes to the creative process. The record scratch takes us to SXSW and the famous Atlanta strip club Magic City. This episode is all about the power you have over your own narrative, releasing stories and expectations, and anchoring in yourself on the journey.

]]>In this episode, Cheraé shares a vulnerable moment at a team dinner that could’ve went entirely left. The tension between her current role in venture capital and her previous work building her startup were at a fever pitch and spilled over in a way she did not anticipate. After being gathered by a couple of her closest friends and confidantes, her perspective shifts dramatically and some incredible things start to happen. Han and Cheraé discuss the stories we tell ourselves in work and how they can be similar to the stories we tell ourselves in relationships and family. They also explore the importance of observation and how it contributes to the creative process. The record scratch takes us to SXSW and the famous Atlanta strip club Magic City. This episode is all about the power you have over your own narrative, releasing stories and expectations, and anchoring in yourself on the journey.

]]>d57b2790-85ca-49c9-9fd0-68025827e3cfThu, 04 Apr 2024 04:00:00 -070040:22truefull222Hannah Donovan and Cheraé RobinsonCreating AnswersCreating AnswersIn this episode, Mallory Contois, Head of Community at Mercury and Founder of The Old Girls Club, shares her journey of navigating the challenges and pressures of being a woman in tech, from raising a $25 million Series A round for a gaming startup to grappling with the immense responsibility and isolation that came with her role as COO. The conversation delves into the themes of vulnerability, resilience, and the creation of a supportive community that empowers women to voice their struggles and triumphs.

We discuss the sometimes problematic dynamics of mentorship, the significance of creating spaces for honest dialogue, and how a LinkedIn rage post can be the start of something big. The episode is a testament to the strength found in vulnerability and the power of connecting with others who share similar experiences.

Subscribe to "It Just Got Real" on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and wherever you listen to your podcasts. Stay tuned for more episodes that dive deep into the real stories behind the successes and challenges of those making an impact in the tech world.

]]>In this episode, Mallory Contois, Head of Community at Mercury and Founder of The Old Girls Club, shares her journey of navigating the challenges and pressures of being a woman in tech, from raising a $25 million Series A round for a gaming startup to grappling with the immense responsibility and isolation that came with her role as COO. The conversation delves into the themes of vulnerability, resilience, and the creation of a supportive community that empowers women to voice their struggles and triumphs.

We discuss the sometimes problematic dynamics of mentorship, the significance of creating spaces for honest dialogue, and how a LinkedIn rage post can be the start of something big. The episode is a testament to the strength found in vulnerability and the power of connecting with others who share similar experiences.

Subscribe to "It Just Got Real" on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and wherever you listen to your podcasts. Stay tuned for more episodes that dive deep into the real stories behind the successes and challenges of those making an impact in the tech world.

]]>ab755b83-1a33-4006-99d0-f312d929f533Thu, 14 Mar 2024 03:00:00 -070054:27truefull222Hannah Donovan and Cheraé RobinsonMastering the PivotMastering the PivotFrom sleeping in gym clothes to the profound impact of spiritual journey’s, this episode with Sugar Living CEO Fatima Choice, is a testament to the resilience required to succeed in the startup world. Her transition from Jetpack to Sugar, a community-enhancing tech platform, illustrates the importance of community and connection in both business and personal growth. This episode not only explores the highs and lows of startup life but also delves into the broader implications of our current societal and political climate, emphasizing the significance of community, mental health, and the delicate balance of pursuing entrepreneurial dreams while maintaining personal well-being.

]]>From sleeping in gym clothes to the profound impact of spiritual journey’s, this episode with Sugar Living CEO Fatima Choice, is a testament to the resilience required to succeed in the startup world. Her transition from Jetpack to Sugar, a community-enhancing tech platform, illustrates the importance of community and connection in both business and personal growth. This episode not only explores the highs and lows of startup life but also delves into the broader implications of our current societal and political climate, emphasizing the significance of community, mental health, and the delicate balance of pursuing entrepreneurial dreams while maintaining personal well-being.

]]>22fb2fbe-1cb6-44e7-8f9a-aa0ceef6346bTue, 05 Mar 2024 03:00:00 -070049:03truefull222Hannah Donovan and Cheraé RobinsonAgainst All OddsAgainst All OddsIn this conversation, Cat Middleton, General Partner at The Venture Collective, shares a vulnerable moment when she questions her place in venture capital. She discusses her motivation to make a difference and create a more inclusive environment. While charing her unlikely journey to VC, she addresses imposter syndrome, the fear of failure and success, and how she sees the value of authentic connections and humanizing interactions as one of the major keys to the game.

From how she assess early-stage founders to AI to healthcare and working moms, we cover a lot of ground and show why unexpected paths are necessary for change.

]]>In this conversation, Cat Middleton, General Partner at The Venture Collective, shares a vulnerable moment when she questions her place in venture capital. She discusses her motivation to make a difference and create a more inclusive environment. While charing her unlikely journey to VC, she addresses imposter syndrome, the fear of failure and success, and how she sees the value of authentic connections and humanizing interactions as one of the major keys to the game.

From how she assess early-stage founders to AI to healthcare and working moms, we cover a lot of ground and show why unexpected paths are necessary for change.

]]>ad35aed6-e33e-4740-9c6d-a40fe163f875Thu, 15 Feb 2024 09:45:00 -070001:01:20truefull222Hannah Donovan and Cheraé RobinsonThe Three Year InsightThe Three Year InsightLet’s talk navigating career transitions! Han shares her post-acquisition story from where we left off in the last season when her company was acquired. We cover fitting into boxes (or not), taking advice (or not), and going from being a generalist to a specialist in a career transition. We also talk about the importance of approaching learning with a growth mindset and “time boxing”. With plenty of practical takeaways for anyone navigating a job shift right now, we’re keeping it real with a throwback episode with just the two of us where we even end up talking Air Jordans.

]]>Let’s talk navigating career transitions! Han shares her post-acquisition story from where we left off in the last season when her company was acquired. We cover fitting into boxes (or not), taking advice (or not), and going from being a generalist to a specialist in a career transition. We also talk about the importance of approaching learning with a growth mindset and “time boxing”. With plenty of practical takeaways for anyone navigating a job shift right now, we’re keeping it real with a throwback episode with just the two of us where we even end up talking Air Jordans.

]]>e8e4aed8-0046-4860-9349-f9cc86b10a40Thu, 01 Feb 2024 09:45:00 -070046:42truefull222Hannah Donovan and Cheraé RobinsonShift HappensShift HappensWhether intentional or not, shifts are a constant. JZ is a master of the career pivot, and is here to tell us all about it, how she’s (impressively) navigated them to here current role as COO at Charm. But this is It Just Got Real, and so of course, we’re gonna get into it :) We also talk regretful decisions, missed opportunities, the complex experience of being a minority that is often labeled “successful, “unknown” unknowns, affirmative action, and the need for true allyship.

]]>Whether intentional or not, shifts are a constant. JZ is a master of the career pivot, and is here to tell us all about it, how she’s (impressively) navigated them to here current role as COO at Charm. But this is It Just Got Real, and so of course, we’re gonna get into it :) We also talk regretful decisions, missed opportunities, the complex experience of being a minority that is often labeled “successful, “unknown” unknowns, affirmative action, and the need for true allyship.

]]>c1ddfc0a-f519-4563-92fd-4389cb2ffbd2Thu, 18 Jan 2024 09:30:00 -070055:03truefull222Hannah Donovan and Cheraé Robinson1,000 Lives1,000 Lives9 lives isn’t even the beginning of what Karina has lived in her impressive career. From the military to banking to tech to coaching and so much more, throughout it all Karina Cares About The Humans. In this show we get into what it really means to be a “leader”? And how do you unleash potential in others as a manager? Karina brings the goods, smashing up our traditional (aka patriarchal) notions of leadership and teaches us how to be a “multiplier”. In true coach form, by the end of this episode Karina is not-so-sneakily coaching all of us, and we’re in complete awe.

]]>9 lives isn’t even the beginning of what Karina has lived in her impressive career. From the military to banking to tech to coaching and so much more, throughout it all Karina Cares About The Humans. In this show we get into what it really means to be a “leader”? And how do you unleash potential in others as a manager? Karina brings the goods, smashing up our traditional (aka patriarchal) notions of leadership and teaches us how to be a “multiplier”. In true coach form, by the end of this episode Karina is not-so-sneakily coaching all of us, and we’re in complete awe.

]]>d930e7b0-6234-4a34-bb0c-a65a9c5e8b62Thu, 11 Jan 2024 03:00:00 -070057:38truefull222Hannah Donovan and Cheraé RobinsonMirth and The MagicianMirth and The MagicianIf you identify as: “A ______ and an Artist” – or want to, this show is for you. In this (hilarious) episode we talk to Danielle, someone who isn’t only a tech founder in the Silicon Valley, but also a prolific and extremely funny artist. Highly aware of the unique (and sometimes bizarre) culture of the Bay Area, she’s consistently pranking it with art-scepades. Next time you hear about where to buy a sweater for your chilly drone or a toothbrush sharing startup, you’ll know the woman behind it. She takes us through her Moment infiltrating a major conference at the Moscone Center in San Francisco to the birth of her beautiful tarot startup Moonlight.

]]>If you identify as: “A ______ and an Artist” – or want to, this show is for you. In this (hilarious) episode we talk to Danielle, someone who isn’t only a tech founder in the Silicon Valley, but also a prolific and extremely funny artist. Highly aware of the unique (and sometimes bizarre) culture of the Bay Area, she’s consistently pranking it with art-scepades. Next time you hear about where to buy a sweater for your chilly drone or a toothbrush sharing startup, you’ll know the woman behind it. She takes us through her Moment infiltrating a major conference at the Moscone Center in San Francisco to the birth of her beautiful tarot startup Moonlight.

]]>61246094-2fd2-4e85-9760-68faa38b08c7Thu, 04 Jan 2024 09:45:00 -070035:47truefull222Hannah Donovan and Cheraé RobinsonJoy as an Act of ResistanceJoy as an Act of ResistanceWith Manushka Magloire. Whether you’re a community builder or appreciate being in community, Manushka's story is one you don’t want to miss. Amidst a loss-of-identity moment, the former Global Director of Social Impact and Community for AFROPUNK takes us through her journey of self-discovery and growth to leaning into her superpowers as a soul-led convened an architect founding The Lay Out and working with For Freedoms. From actual practical tips on soft skills and “network building” (not the BS we usually hear) to finding and creating belonging and purpose within community, Manushka leads with with heart and soul. Tune in over the holidays to hear this special story about gathering and embracing “why not?”

]]>With Manushka Magloire. Whether you’re a community builder or appreciate being in community, Manushka's story is one you don’t want to miss. Amidst a loss-of-identity moment, the former Global Director of Social Impact and Community for AFROPUNK takes us through her journey of self-discovery and growth to leaning into her superpowers as a soul-led convened an architect founding The Lay Out and working with For Freedoms. From actual practical tips on soft skills and “network building” (not the BS we usually hear) to finding and creating belonging and purpose within community, Manushka leads with with heart and soul. Tune in over the holidays to hear this special story about gathering and embracing “why not?”

]]>9f499e3d-06ff-4c95-98cc-29d230e684c1Thu, 21 Dec 2023 03:00:00 -070054:24falsefull222Hannah Donovan and Cheraé RobinsonAI and the Future We (Don’t) Believe InAI and the Future We (Don’t) Believe InWith Geneviève Patterson. In this episode, we bring on our first (!) guest, Dr. Geneviève Patterson, Han’s co-founder at Trash. Geneviève is an accomplished scientist specializing in computer vision and artificial intelligence. We talk to her about her current (surprising) project and what it’s been like to be on the forefront of inventing a technology that is now hitting every consumer and enterprise in a major way. From the impressive power of AI, the rush towards commercialization fueled by investors, and Genevieve’s urgent concerns - we go deep unpacking who’s most at risk and what we need to be cognizant of despite calls to ignore it. Fun fact, you’ll even learn the story of the person who invented the T in “GPT”. A conversation full of twists and turns that nobody was expecting (and one where our video died, so only audio this time, folks) this is a take you want to hear.

]]>With Geneviève Patterson. In this episode, we bring on our first (!) guest, Dr. Geneviève Patterson, Han’s co-founder at Trash. Geneviève is an accomplished scientist specializing in computer vision and artificial intelligence. We talk to her about her current (surprising) project and what it’s been like to be on the forefront of inventing a technology that is now hitting every consumer and enterprise in a major way. From the impressive power of AI, the rush towards commercialization fueled by investors, and Genevieve’s urgent concerns - we go deep unpacking who’s most at risk and what we need to be cognizant of despite calls to ignore it. Fun fact, you’ll even learn the story of the person who invented the T in “GPT”. A conversation full of twists and turns that nobody was expecting (and one where our video died, so only audio this time, folks) this is a take you want to hear.

]]>2f24a774-0842-4cd5-a4c9-2db62bfc15ecThu, 14 Dec 2023 00:00:00 -070041:01falsefull222Hannah Donovan and Cheraé RobinsonDeciding to End It AllDeciding to End It AllWe're back for season 2! In today's new episode, Cheraé talks about continuing to be a founder, even when you're no longer running a company. She describes the winding road for Tastemakers Africa, how the pandemic impacted the business, and navigating changes in her identity since then.

Learn about how to support the Fearless Fund.

]]>We're back for season 2! In today's new episode, Cheraé talks about continuing to be a founder, even when you're no longer running a company. She describes the winding road for Tastemakers Africa, how the pandemic impacted the business, and navigating changes in her identity since then.

Learn about how to support the Fearless Fund.

]]>d8e6be4f-3e86-4bde-a8e3-b6f7f09a6c6eThu, 07 Dec 2023 10:00:00 -070047:23falsefull222Hannah Donovan and Cheraé Robinson"It Just Got Real" Returns!"It Just Got Real" Returns!"It Just Got Real" returns next Thursday! Join us for Season 2 of It Just Got Real, a podcast for creative women in business who are carving out their own path in work and life. Join us every Thursday for the realness!

Coming soon, wherever you listen to podcasts and now on YouTube.

]]>"It Just Got Real" returns next Thursday! Join us for Season 2 of It Just Got Real, a podcast for creative women in business who are carving out their own path in work and life. Join us every Thursday for the realness!

Coming soon, wherever you listen to podcasts and now on YouTube.

]]>2df5fb32-280a-43f5-93c3-4988f1ceddcfThu, 30 Nov 2023 08:45:00 -070001:24falsefull222Hannah Donovan and Cheraé RobinsonEpisode 30: Trash is TreasureEpisode 30: Trash is TreasureThe realest moment of the season goes down in the finale - Han announces she's sold her company TRASH to VSCO. The two unpack the ins and outs of getting acquired in the rona before going into a run-down of some of the biggest record scratches and culture moments of an insane 2020.

]]>The realest moment of the season goes down in the finale - Han announces she's sold her company TRASH to VSCO. The two unpack the ins and outs of getting acquired in the rona before going into a run-down of some of the biggest record scratches and culture moments of an insane 2020.

]]>1ee05845-b85a-4886-8df0-162bc617a000Thu, 10 Dec 2020 03:00:00 -070044:55falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 29: Do What Gets The People GoingEpisode 29: Do What Gets The People GoingCherae realizes she's been so busy with making things sound right that she's stopped following her instincts. Han jumps in and they unpack everything from transparency, to the creative process, to just putting shit out there. In culture we discover Colors on YouTube and new music and we even make our way to discussing Mike Tyson now on Triller (bbm confused face).

]]>Cherae realizes she's been so busy with making things sound right that she's stopped following her instincts. Han jumps in and they unpack everything from transparency, to the creative process, to just putting shit out there. In culture we discover Colors on YouTube and new music and we even make our way to discussing Mike Tyson now on Triller (bbm confused face).

]]>6488dd53-1bc8-41c2-9bba-e5a616ba41d9Thu, 03 Dec 2020 12:15:00 -070034:28falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 28: Swapping Out Your OSEpisode 28: Swapping Out Your OSCherae realizes she needs more than a "work/life balance break" and unpacks what it's like to reprogram the way you get things done. Han chimes in with some thoughts on her own shifts before getting real about the state of COVID-19 in Los Angeles and what's really going on with pandemic Thanksgiving gatherings. The two close it out with Cherae stepping into the new millenium and actually using Spotify to share new music from Amaraee and Odunsi the Engine. 

]]>Cherae realizes she needs more than a "work/life balance break" and unpacks what it's like to reprogram the way you get things done. Han chimes in with some thoughts on her own shifts before getting real about the state of COVID-19 in Los Angeles and what's really going on with pandemic Thanksgiving gatherings. The two close it out with Cherae stepping into the new millenium and actually using Spotify to share new music from Amaraee and Odunsi the Engine. 

]]>ecadfeef-7ca9-48f1-95cf-2eb4adc9ca69Fri, 27 Nov 2020 03:00:00 -070031:12falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 27: You Don't Have to Like ItEpisode 27: You Don't Have to Like ItHan gets asked a question that makes her confront the realities of building, and the not so glamorous parts of getting the job done. Cheraé chimes in with some thoughts on where our need for "veneer" comes from and the two of them have some record scratch moments from everyday life. In culture Han drops two new tracks (by other people, she has not taken up being a rapper) before wrapping up the show with some takeaways that should help you in your life as an entrepreneur.

]]>Han gets asked a question that makes her confront the realities of building, and the not so glamorous parts of getting the job done. Cheraé chimes in with some thoughts on where our need for "veneer" comes from and the two of them have some record scratch moments from everyday life. In culture Han drops two new tracks (by other people, she has not taken up being a rapper) before wrapping up the show with some takeaways that should help you in your life as an entrepreneur.

]]>aa323d46-1b67-4810-a143-6c4eabfc73cfThu, 19 Nov 2020 03:00:00 -070030:46falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 26: Mama I Made ItEpisode 26: Mama I Made ItWith election results in - Han and Cherae dive into what this all means and are generally elated about the outcomes. In the real moment, Cherae chats moving into a new apartment in Brooklyn, what that means for her state of mind as a founder, and the tradeoffs female founders make unnecessarily in their journeys. In culture Soulection shows up again as does YG's FDT hit rising to the top of the charts.

]]>With election results in - Han and Cherae dive into what this all means and are generally elated about the outcomes. In the real moment, Cherae chats moving into a new apartment in Brooklyn, what that means for her state of mind as a founder, and the tradeoffs female founders make unnecessarily in their journeys. In culture Soulection shows up again as does YG's FDT hit rising to the top of the charts.

]]>8fa1ab71-5918-478d-8110-25d5009c1d5dThu, 12 Nov 2020 03:00:00 -070035:58falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 25: In LimboEpisode 25: In LimboCherae and Han jump into the thing everyone is laser focused on: the US election. Recorded as the results were in the air, the two discuss what this means for America and for themselves. Han also gets pretty personal with her moment - you'll have to tune in to see how.


]]>Cherae and Han jump into the thing everyone is laser focused on: the US election. Recorded as the results were in the air, the two discuss what this means for America and for themselves. Han also gets pretty personal with her moment - you'll have to tune in to see how.


]]>cf6ae451-bedc-40c1-a131-facefb066f86Tue, 10 Nov 2020 03:00:00 -070024:57falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 24: Creative Blocks Aren't A ThingEpisode 24: Creative Blocks Aren't A ThingIn another live episode from Mexico, Cheraé shares the moment where Han, over the most delicious of Portuguese dinners, blew up the idea of "creative blocks" and got to the nuts and bolts of how creative output (when it's what you do for a living) actually works. The record scratch dives into things white women are doing in 2020, including becoming a new breed of political activist in the burbs (a win, if albeit late) and ascending to the Supreme Court just days before an election (why aren't we revolting again?). In culture, we go on a little bit of a road trip as Cheraé and Han share the scoop of their galavanting day in these Mexican streets.

]]>In another live episode from Mexico, Cheraé shares the moment where Han, over the most delicious of Portuguese dinners, blew up the idea of "creative blocks" and got to the nuts and bolts of how creative output (when it's what you do for a living) actually works. The record scratch dives into things white women are doing in 2020, including becoming a new breed of political activist in the burbs (a win, if albeit late) and ascending to the Supreme Court just days before an election (why aren't we revolting again?). In culture, we go on a little bit of a road trip as Cheraé and Han share the scoop of their galavanting day in these Mexican streets.

]]>a9951caf-35ec-4df7-9102-164292a60b31Thu, 29 Oct 2020 03:00:00 -070036:58falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 23: Viva MexicoEpisode 23: Viva MexicoHan and Cheraé take the pod to Mexico and deal with the realness of travel during COVID-19 and what makes something "essential essential". Han chats through the emotions and logistics of the entire decision and Cheraé's record scratch reveals that leaving the US doesn't always mean leaving its problematic ways. In culture or what could be called the Big Phat Culture Moment Han and Cherae run the gamut from new music vibes to film to the Pattern app's new UI (or lack thereof). All in all this is the how do we manage in this entirely unmanageable moment in the world episode.

]]>Han and Cheraé take the pod to Mexico and deal with the realness of travel during COVID-19 and what makes something "essential essential". Han chats through the emotions and logistics of the entire decision and Cheraé's record scratch reveals that leaving the US doesn't always mean leaving its problematic ways. In culture or what could be called the Big Phat Culture Moment Han and Cherae run the gamut from new music vibes to film to the Pattern app's new UI (or lack thereof). All in all this is the how do we manage in this entirely unmanageable moment in the world episode.

]]>2845a849-a351-4cbb-80d2-d48a7da6dbbbThu, 22 Oct 2020 03:00:00 -070038:59falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 22: Give It Time To BakeEpisode 22: Give It Time To BakeCheraé's week gets real when she has to hit pause and give herself time to get to leader level vision. Han chimes in with some lessons and cautions around the murky middle of being in the thick of a founder journey at the least celebrated stage. They both share tips for breaking through before jumping into the Record Scratch moment, which per normal includes commentary on Trump and other shenanigans. Rounding out the show we celebrate the Lakers and something in 2020 that actually went right.


]]>Cheraé's week gets real when she has to hit pause and give herself time to get to leader level vision. Han chimes in with some lessons and cautions around the murky middle of being in the thick of a founder journey at the least celebrated stage. They both share tips for breaking through before jumping into the Record Scratch moment, which per normal includes commentary on Trump and other shenanigans. Rounding out the show we celebrate the Lakers and something in 2020 that actually went right.


]]>5c825cb5-d686-4923-84e1-5300a489a808Thu, 15 Oct 2020 03:00:00 -070039:08falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 21: Many Guns, Many DrawersEpisode 21: Many Guns, Many DrawersHan's moment is a bit of a founder's groundhog's day and tackles the idea of focus. Probably the single most repeated advice given to founders, Cheraé and Han tackle whether focus is really the key to the game. You'll have to listen in to see where they land. On the record scratch they chat Trump's COVID-19 diagnosis and Roblox's IPO (which Cheraé is kicking herself for not investing in). In culture they talk the new beauty trend heating up election season and Sango's latest drop.

]]>Han's moment is a bit of a founder's groundhog's day and tackles the idea of focus. Probably the single most repeated advice given to founders, Cheraé and Han tackle whether focus is really the key to the game. You'll have to listen in to see where they land. On the record scratch they chat Trump's COVID-19 diagnosis and Roblox's IPO (which Cheraé is kicking herself for not investing in). In culture they talk the new beauty trend heating up election season and Sango's latest drop.

]]>31f62ae7-4360-4c7f-91aa-5e833f25c74aThu, 08 Oct 2020 03:00:00 -070035:53falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 20: Fire is Better than FailingEpisode 20: Fire is Better than FailingCheraé shares one of the hardest parts of being a founder and some pro tips for how to make the pill easier (in the long run). Han chimes in with some tried and true methods and some tangible ways to build better. The record scratch centers on the Breonna Taylor ruling, pulling in some lessons from Germany on dealing with America's ongoing race problem. And, finally Cheraé and Han are joined by a surprise special guest to discuss The Social Dilemma (hint: it's our producer, Sam Fragoso).

]]>Cheraé shares one of the hardest parts of being a founder and some pro tips for how to make the pill easier (in the long run). Han chimes in with some tried and true methods and some tangible ways to build better. The record scratch centers on the Breonna Taylor ruling, pulling in some lessons from Germany on dealing with America's ongoing race problem. And, finally Cheraé and Han are joined by a surprise special guest to discuss The Social Dilemma (hint: it's our producer, Sam Fragoso).

]]>e24a1a9c-72ee-472a-b230-a2307d8e8febThu, 01 Oct 2020 03:00:00 -070053:46falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 19: The Long GameEpisode 19: The Long GameHan reveals a huge product accomplishment that was years in the making and shares the mindset and practice required to have the conviction to tackle the hard things that don't come easily. The record scratch is the one we all felt - the passing of RBG and the subsequent foolery that has commenced in America. In culture Han and Cheraé talk TikTok – with a hot take on the drama surrounding all short form video apps, art on the bank of the LA river, and feeling 17 again (perhaps all at once).

]]>Han reveals a huge product accomplishment that was years in the making and shares the mindset and practice required to have the conviction to tackle the hard things that don't come easily. The record scratch is the one we all felt - the passing of RBG and the subsequent foolery that has commenced in America. In culture Han and Cheraé talk TikTok – with a hot take on the drama surrounding all short form video apps, art on the bank of the LA river, and feeling 17 again (perhaps all at once).

]]>cf52318e-288a-4692-b2bf-ebedb011b65cThu, 24 Sep 2020 03:00:00 -070033:30falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 18: Tunnel VisionEpisode 18: Tunnel VisionCheraé shares the tension between founder ambitions vs. practical life choices. Han chimes in and shares that "Plan B" is not a thing. The two then talk about vision, conviction, and what that all really means - especially for founders trying to adult, have impact, and/or leave a legacy beyond their companies (if this is a thing). The record scratch unfortunately brings us back to Trump once again while in culture the two share their love for "I May Destroy You" and Patti Labelle's pies (kind of).

]]>Cheraé shares the tension between founder ambitions vs. practical life choices. Han chimes in and shares that "Plan B" is not a thing. The two then talk about vision, conviction, and what that all really means - especially for founders trying to adult, have impact, and/or leave a legacy beyond their companies (if this is a thing). The record scratch unfortunately brings us back to Trump once again while in culture the two share their love for "I May Destroy You" and Patti Labelle's pies (kind of).

]]>a96225e1-0c3a-4649-8c7c-df792144b55bThu, 17 Sep 2020 03:00:00 -070042:12falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 17: Don't Smash the EggEpisode 17: Don't Smash the EggHan's life gets real when she learns just how intense getting a rescue dog can be. She re-evaluates this move, which is proving to be an exercise in patience. That's a muscle we should all be flexing during COVID-19, as we inch towards the sort of "normalcy" that existed before.

You can't avoid including one Donald Trump moment during the record scratch, but there is also a bit of suspense in Cherae's bike brush with mortality.

Finally, in culture, Nigerian artist Tiwa Savage makes her debut on Jimmy Kimmel. We also chat Usher's new Vegas Residency (and how he should probably do a Verzuz' Battle with Chris Brown).

Drop us a line at @gotrealpod on social!

]]>Han's life gets real when she learns just how intense getting a rescue dog can be. She re-evaluates this move, which is proving to be an exercise in patience. That's a muscle we should all be flexing during COVID-19, as we inch towards the sort of "normalcy" that existed before.

You can't avoid including one Donald Trump moment during the record scratch, but there is also a bit of suspense in Cherae's bike brush with mortality.

Finally, in culture, Nigerian artist Tiwa Savage makes her debut on Jimmy Kimmel. We also chat Usher's new Vegas Residency (and how he should probably do a Verzuz' Battle with Chris Brown).

Drop us a line at @gotrealpod on social!

]]>f807b45b-fc8a-41e5-8af2-057e78ddbf23Thu, 10 Sep 2020 03:00:00 -070031:04falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 16: DiscretionEpisode 16: DiscretionCheraé reflects on the passing of Chadwick Boseman and his choice to keep his battle with cancer private. Han chimes in and they both reflect on whether sharing your struggle is always the right (or necessary) way forward. Jacob Blake and the NBA strike make this week's record scratch (in what feels like an ongoing one for the US), and Han closes us out with a catchy reggae tune from the Bank of Jamaica lol.

]]>Cheraé reflects on the passing of Chadwick Boseman and his choice to keep his battle with cancer private. Han chimes in and they both reflect on whether sharing your struggle is always the right (or necessary) way forward. Jacob Blake and the NBA strike make this week's record scratch (in what feels like an ongoing one for the US), and Han closes us out with a catchy reggae tune from the Bank of Jamaica lol.

]]>614b3f41-f8ac-4386-bd83-3628723457fcWed, 02 Sep 2020 06:00:00 -070035:54falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 15: You Are the OpportunityEpisode 15: You Are the OpportunityHan shares an update on what has been a pretty intense fundraising season with a critical mindset shift that's unlocking her superpowers. We also dive into Kamala Harris securing the VP nomination, and what it means for women, badassery, and the US moving forward.

]]>Han shares an update on what has been a pretty intense fundraising season with a critical mindset shift that's unlocking her superpowers. We also dive into Kamala Harris securing the VP nomination, and what it means for women, badassery, and the US moving forward.

]]>24a945c3-22a1-4026-a338-ecdc87bfd101Thu, 27 Aug 2020 06:00:00 -070034:16falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 14: Just Face ItEpisode 14: Just Face ItCherae shares an intense moment in her personal life that required a flight and some serious big girl panties. She also meets a fine fellow and realizes the rona pounds must go. Han discovers new music, including some very raunchy hip-hop, and dabbles into her own motivational Spotify lists. Cherae and Han discuss being transient, closing out the show with some thoughts that'll help you face any moment.

]]>Cherae shares an intense moment in her personal life that required a flight and some serious big girl panties. She also meets a fine fellow and realizes the rona pounds must go. Han discovers new music, including some very raunchy hip-hop, and dabbles into her own motivational Spotify lists. Cherae and Han discuss being transient, closing out the show with some thoughts that'll help you face any moment.

]]>403e2768-725c-42b4-9c21-bd99f0cb6bbaThu, 20 Aug 2020 05:00:00 -070035:46falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 13: We Are What We SayEpisode 13: We Are What We SayHan shares an epiphany moment related to that constant drum of stress any "slightly" ambitious person always feels. While chatting through all the ways stating "I'm stressed out" is not productive, Cheraé and Han both share the sentiment that WAP is actually the reliever of these things. Digging deeper into the culture moment, Han talks radio while Cheraé chats non appropriative culture dabbling. Finally, there's a record scratch that comes with a happy ending.

]]>Han shares an epiphany moment related to that constant drum of stress any "slightly" ambitious person always feels. While chatting through all the ways stating "I'm stressed out" is not productive, Cheraé and Han both share the sentiment that WAP is actually the reliever of these things. Digging deeper into the culture moment, Han talks radio while Cheraé chats non appropriative culture dabbling. Finally, there's a record scratch that comes with a happy ending.

]]>10d5242b-6afa-48c8-98c8-cbd5b0b9d4c2Thu, 13 Aug 2020 03:00:00 -070041:14falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 12: Intuition Is Not A Bad WordEpisode 12: Intuition Is Not A Bad WordCheraé has a BLACK IS KING moment when she does an impromptu popup for her member community seemingly throwing caution to the wind in an effort to deliver for her audience. Han chimes in with some advice for founder balancing intuitive understanding and a data/process driven approach to building a consumer company. We discuss the ridiculous chatterboxes coming for Queen Megan Thee Stallion (and the ongoing assault on black women's ability to be soft) and close out with some nods to Beyonce's latest masterpiece and Roy Ayers served wine flight style.

]]>Cheraé has a BLACK IS KING moment when she does an impromptu popup for her member community seemingly throwing caution to the wind in an effort to deliver for her audience. Han chimes in with some advice for founder balancing intuitive understanding and a data/process driven approach to building a consumer company. We discuss the ridiculous chatterboxes coming for Queen Megan Thee Stallion (and the ongoing assault on black women's ability to be soft) and close out with some nods to Beyonce's latest masterpiece and Roy Ayers served wine flight style.

]]>86459f4f-5999-41bb-9b87-f163ede69e6cThu, 06 Aug 2020 02:00:00 -070035:39falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 11: Don't Hoard Your WorkEpisode 11: Don't Hoard Your WorkHan, a recovering perfectionist, makes a new portfolio website. This is usually an extremely painful task of selecting and sharing the right work. Today is a different story. She shares her tips and tricks on this week's episode. Plus, why your company comms matter, from racist chicken wings to COVID tests.

]]>Han, a recovering perfectionist, makes a new portfolio website. This is usually an extremely painful task of selecting and sharing the right work. Today is a different story. She shares her tips and tricks on this week's episode. Plus, why your company comms matter, from racist chicken wings to COVID tests.

]]>03773b13-9d59-4fab-8cb2-bb1d1953406fThu, 30 Jul 2020 03:00:00 -070033:35falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 10: Step Up Your A GameEpisode 10: Step Up Your A GameCheraé gets real about being pushed as a founder and needing to broaden her circle of confidants to get the learnings she needs to take things to the next level. Han shares the realities of getting to done and they both find themselves looking for a really good guide to dating post the rona.

]]>Cheraé gets real about being pushed as a founder and needing to broaden her circle of confidants to get the learnings she needs to take things to the next level. Han shares the realities of getting to done and they both find themselves looking for a really good guide to dating post the rona.

]]>db4db33a-ab8a-4ff0-91d7-8da9b900833eThu, 16 Jul 2020 03:00:00 -070034:10falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 9: Learning How to LaunchEpisode 9: Learning How to LaunchHan has an "aha" moment and realizes she was doing "launch" all wrong after seeing what success looks like. Boat Flags become the new "hot campaign swag" in the most unfortunate way, Instagram's algorithm is the flipping worst, and Cherae is a latecomer to Drag Race.

]]>Han has an "aha" moment and realizes she was doing "launch" all wrong after seeing what success looks like. Boat Flags become the new "hot campaign swag" in the most unfortunate way, Instagram's algorithm is the flipping worst, and Cherae is a latecomer to Drag Race.

]]>1b565d69-2203-49af-ad48-3186e9891490Thu, 09 Jul 2020 03:30:00 -070035:43falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 8: Into the FireEpisode 8: Into the FireCherae talks about getting called out for not being vocal about a major issue in her community, unpacking how trauma and the past can stifle your voice, and what to do about it. Han shares her own experiences with moving past this and also a pretty epic internet moment this week with the Eye Mouth Eye stunt from Twitter. The show closes out with some tips on productivity, a shout out to the See in Black project, and a nod to the new Arca album.

]]>Cherae talks about getting called out for not being vocal about a major issue in her community, unpacking how trauma and the past can stifle your voice, and what to do about it. Han shares her own experiences with moving past this and also a pretty epic internet moment this week with the Eye Mouth Eye stunt from Twitter. The show closes out with some tips on productivity, a shout out to the See in Black project, and a nod to the new Arca album.

]]>f08e050d-cc10-4c9a-878a-75aee732a906Thu, 02 Jul 2020 04:00:00 -070035:45falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 7: The Breaking PointEpisode 7: The Breaking PointHan has had enough of the rona and shares how balancing it all alone is next to impossible. Cherae shares a seemingly never ending list of record scratch moments and Sherman's Showcase and Teyana Taylor's new album enter the cultural lexicon of the pod #addsomekente.

]]>Han has had enough of the rona and shares how balancing it all alone is next to impossible. Cherae shares a seemingly never ending list of record scratch moments and Sherman's Showcase and Teyana Taylor's new album enter the cultural lexicon of the pod #addsomekente.

]]>061c13be-ebb4-4310-87e7-d16cd4a4f27fThu, 25 Jun 2020 03:00:00 -070039:23falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 6: You Can't Starve Your Way To SuccessEpisode 6: You Can't Starve Your Way To SuccessCherae deals with the realities of COVID-19's longer term impact on her company, Han shares insights from the Snap Partner Summit and getting sassy with a journalist on Twitter, and we continue to dig into the world waking up to racial injustice (including how Karen's keep getting it wrong).

]]>Cherae deals with the realities of COVID-19's longer term impact on her company, Han shares insights from the Snap Partner Summit and getting sassy with a journalist on Twitter, and we continue to dig into the world waking up to racial injustice (including how Karen's keep getting it wrong).

]]>73fa1811-fbae-40c7-a8f6-2edee184ac25Thu, 18 Jun 2020 11:00:00 -070034:56falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 5: “Solidarity Swipes”Episode 5: “Solidarity Swipes”In the aftermath of George Floyd’s death - the question of what to do and who should do it is on the minds of every person who is even half aware of what’s going on. Han unpacks what this has meant for Trash, what to do when you get it “wrong”, and Cheraé shares some unexpected places where activism is showing up - hint: it’s in dating apps.

]]>In the aftermath of George Floyd’s death - the question of what to do and who should do it is on the minds of every person who is even half aware of what’s going on. Han unpacks what this has meant for Trash, what to do when you get it “wrong”, and Cheraé shares some unexpected places where activism is showing up - hint: it’s in dating apps.

]]>f676f322-3245-4940-b514-950f62ddfbd2Thu, 11 Jun 2020 05:00:00 -070040:05falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 4: “We're Still in the Less than Human Bucket”Episode 4: “We're Still in the Less than Human Bucket”You know what this is about. Stay safe, stay strong.

]]>You know what this is about. Stay safe, stay strong.

]]>a0140f1b-8077-4ae4-ac88-b123670f8d04Thu, 04 Jun 2020 04:00:00 -070043:39falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 3: Making Work, WorkEpisode 3: Making Work, WorkThis week: we discuss the ways to cope with work in a pandemic and how to make a plan with our uncertain future. Plus- we try to make sense of bleach-drinkers, southern states reopening, and more!

]]>This week: we discuss the ways to cope with work in a pandemic and how to make a plan with our uncertain future. Plus- we try to make sense of bleach-drinkers, southern states reopening, and more!

]]>141e2443-2118-4b4b-8357-4f2f53ae10a6Thu, 28 May 2020 04:00:00 -070035:01falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 2: From the HeartEpisode 2: From the HeartWelcome back! This week Han and Cheraé talk about writing pitch decks from the heart, finding your company's true purpose, funny email greetings, and how to use this unusual moment to create, virus and all.

]]>Welcome back! This week Han and Cheraé talk about writing pitch decks from the heart, finding your company's true purpose, funny email greetings, and how to use this unusual moment to create, virus and all.

]]>99d239f5-5834-44f7-834f-bf3d3ba6151fThu, 21 May 2020 03:30:00 -070035:55falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonEpisode 1: The Pilot!Episode 1: The Pilot!The first episode of It Just Got Real is about as real as it could possibly get. Cheraé shares what it means to be a travel company in the middle of a pandemic. Then, we talk about being true to your purpose, even when everything around you feels precarious. Also what's up in pop culture? The Weeknd album that's what. Spoiler: we may or may not have varying opinions on that record. Welcome to our show!

]]>The first episode of It Just Got Real is about as real as it could possibly get. Cheraé shares what it means to be a travel company in the middle of a pandemic. Then, we talk about being true to your purpose, even when everything around you feels precarious. Also what's up in pop culture? The Weeknd album that's what. Spoiler: we may or may not have varying opinions on that record. Welcome to our show!

]]>f4c8a24f-036f-4d29-ae77-59e011d29ed6Thu, 14 May 2020 04:00:00 -070035:52falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae RobinsonIntroducing “It Just Got Real”Introducing “It Just Got Real”It Just Got Real is a weekly podcast hosted by two multi-hyphenate founders from different worlds, Hannah Donovan (Trash) and Cheraé Robinson (Tastemakers Africa). Each week features a break through "got real" moment and unpacks the lessons, struggles and wins of choosing the unbeaten path. It Just Got Real is literally happening in real time. If you want to start something new; already have; or just wanna do this thing called life differently, hit subscribe hang out with Han & Cheraé! New episodes every Thursday.

]]>It Just Got Real is a weekly podcast hosted by two multi-hyphenate founders from different worlds, Hannah Donovan (Trash) and Cheraé Robinson (Tastemakers Africa). Each week features a break through "got real" moment and unpacks the lessons, struggles and wins of choosing the unbeaten path. It Just Got Real is literally happening in real time. If you want to start something new; already have; or just wanna do this thing called life differently, hit subscribe hang out with Han & Cheraé! New episodes every Thursday.

]]>dcab10fb-56c5-4a9a-bd5b-502ffc1c8417Thu, 07 May 2020 06:00:00 -070002:07falsefull111Hannah Donovan and Cherae Robinson