Pivot Podcast

A Crowd Is Not a Community

Thu, 16 Apr 2026 05:00:00 -0400

What does real church community cultivation require? The Rev. Dr. Eun Strawser, physician, author, and pastor of Ma Ke Alo'o, a network of multiplying missional communities in Honolulu, Hawaii, has spent years working out a practical answer to that question. After planting her first church and growing it to 450 people, she realized a crowd had gathered but a community hadn't really formed. Her second church plant took a radically different approach, starting with 15 people, a discipleship core, and weekly community dinners before ever launching a Sunday service.

In this conversation with Dwight Zscheile and Alicia Granholm, Eun makes the case that discipleship is the missing link in most churches' understanding of community. She shares what it looks like to form people for neighborhood presence rather than church volunteerism, how to make locally rooted invitations that actually move people, and why the vision of the early church in Acts 2 is less about miraculous growth and more about a countercultural way of life together. If your church is serious about church community building that goes beyond filling seats, this episode is a place to start.

Recruiting, Equipping, and Empowering Church Leaders with Clara King and Dwight Zscheile

Starting a Fresh Expression of Church with Michael Beck, Dwight Zscheile, and Dee Stoke

The Two Things That Have Always Renewed the Church

Thu, 09 Apr 2026 04:00:00 -0400

Why is Christian community so hard to cultivate in contemporary culture? In this episode of Pivot Podcast, host Dwight Zscheile continues his conversation with Dr. Jennifer Wojciechowski, a professor of church history at Luther Seminary, tracing the deep cultural roots of our present challenge. From the Enlightenment's reimagining of the human person as an autonomous individual to the seismic cultural shifts of the 1960s and 70s, Jennie and Dwight examine how Western culture arrived at a place where shared frameworks for truth and the common good have largely dissolved, and how both mainline and evangelical churches have accommodated themselves to that story in ways that have undermined their witness.

But the conversation doesn't stop at diagnosis. Jennie draws on two thousand years of church history to identify what has actually produced renewal: communities defined by credible Christian living and the clear proclamation of the gospel. From the mendicant movements of the High Middle Ages to the witness of St. Francis, the pattern holds. In a culture that measures human value by productivity and self-optimization, the message of grace turns out to be genuinely strange and genuinely needed. This episode offers church leaders both an honest reckoning with the forces shaping their congregations and a historically grounded reason for hope.

The Easter Word That Doesn't Expire feat. Jennifer Vija Pietz

Thu, 02 Apr 2026 05:00:00 -0400

"Your labor is not in vain." It's one of Paul's most direct declarations in 1 Corinthians 15, and Dr. Jennifer Pietz, Assistant Professor of New Testament at Luther Seminary, believes it has everything to do with how church leaders carry their work today. In this Easter reflection, Jenny addresses three common misconceptions about resurrection that quietly hollow out hope in ministry, and grounds each one in what Paul actually argues in 1 Corinthians 15.

Resurrection isn't only about Jesus. It isn't only a future promise. And it isn't an escape from the world. It's the present foundation of Christian vocation, and the reason your labor in the Lord is never wasted. If you're a church leader who is tired, discouraged, or simply hungry for a word that goes deeper than Easter Sunday optimism, this reflection is for you.

Mary Magdalene, La Malinche, and the Ethics of Interpretation by Jennifer Vija Pietz (Lexington Books/Fortress Academic, 2022)

The Roots of the Crisis of Community in the West

Thu, 26 Mar 2026 05:00:00 -0400

Cultivating Christian community can feel really hard today, but the reasons run deeper than most church leaders realize. In part one of this two-part conversation, Luther Seminary professor Dwight Zscheile sits down with church historian Dr. Jennifer Wojciechowski to trace the roots of today's loneliness epidemic and discipleship crisis from the Renaissance through the Enlightenment and into our present moment. Along the way, they explore how thinkers like Locke, Rousseau, Mill, and Nietzsche quietly reshaped the West's story about what it means to be human, and how that story is now shaping the people sitting in your pews.

This conversation won't offer a quick fix for church community building, but it will give you something more valuable: clarity about the cultural forces you're actually working against, and a renewed sense of why the church's vision of human life together is more countercultural and more needed than ever. Part two will pick up with the 20th century and explore what all of this means for faithful church leadership today.

When Fear Became Normal, the Church Got Real

Thu, 19 Mar 2026 04:00:00 -0400

What does Christian community look like when a city is in crisis? In this first episode of Season 6 of the Pivot Podcast, Faith+Lead scholars Dwight Zscheile and Alicia Granholm go inside the last eight months in the Twin Cities, a period marked by targeted violence, a school shooting, and a large-scale federal immigration enforcement operation that left communities shaken and afraid. The church showed up quietly and persistently across every theological tradition, delivering food, organizing legal assistance, moving worship into living rooms, and rallying around members who were detained and flown out of state without warning.

This episode explores what crisis reveals about the difference between Christian community and mere membership, and why genuine belonging looks nothing like a program. It also launches a season-long conversation about why cultivating Christian community is so hard right now and what a faithful response might look like. If you've ever wondered whether the church still has something irreplaceable to offer a fractured world, this episode is your answer.

Most Americans Still Believe in God. So Why Aren't They in Your Church?

Thu, 12 Mar 2026 04:00:00 -0400

What does Ryan Burge's research on religious nones reveal about the Americans sitting just outside your church doors? In part two of this two-part conversation, Dwight and Alicia continue their discussion with Dr. Ryan Burge, data scientist and author of The Vanishing Church, diving into what the data actually shows about faith, formation, and the roughly seven out of ten Americans who are neither fully in nor fully out of religious life. The picture is more nuanced, and more hopeful, than most church leaders expect.

Ryan walks through what the numbers say about the much-discussed religious revival, why theological formation has always been harder than pastors assume, and what it would actually take to reach a generation starting with zero religious background. He also makes a compelling case for what churches uniquely provide that nothing else in American life can: genuine contact across difference, the kind that makes it hard to hate the person next to you. If your congregation is wondering who's really out there and how to reach them, this conversation is a grounded and honest place to start.

When Did Politics Become More Powerful Than Faith?

Thu, 05 Mar 2026 04:00:00 -0400

What happens when political identity becomes stronger than faith identity? Dr. Ryan Burge is a data scientist, professor, and pastor who watched his own 150-year-old congregation close its doors in 2024. In part one of this two-part conversation, Ryan brings the data to bear on one of the most urgent questions facing church leaders today: how faith and political identity have become so entangled in American life that millions of people now choose — or abandon — their church based on politics rather than theology.

Ryan walks Dwight and Alicia through what the numbers actually show about church decline, the rise of never-attending evangelicals, the disappearance of politically diverse congregations, and why churches that once held Republicans and Democrats side by side may be the most important institution vanishing from American life. If your congregation feels more politically sorted than it used to, this episode offers both an honest diagnosis and a vision for what the church can still be on the other side of polarization.

Setting the Table: When Dinner Church Filled Rooms with the Unchurched

Thu, 26 Feb 2026 04:00:00 -0400

Dr. Verlon Fosner's Seattle congregation was declining 14% every year despite doing everything right—improved worship, new programs, upgraded tech. So Verlon stopped trying to fix the decline and started asking a different question: Where is God already at work among people who will never walk through our church doors? His answer transformed his understanding of missional church. In 2008, his team opened their first dinner church in a struggling neighborhood with just tables, food, and Jesus stories. The room immediately filled with never-been-churched people who'd never wanted anything to do with traditional church.

In this conversation, Verlon shares how dinner church creates a fundamentally different entry point for faith by recovering the ancient practice of gathering around Jesus' table. He explains why inviting someone to dinner is different than inviting them to Sunday worship, how the first apostles focused on Jesus stories rather than systematic theology, and what happens when tables replace classrooms as the primary environment for discipleship. If your church is declining and you're exhausted from trying to fix it, this conversation offers a different way forward for missional church in a post-Christian context.

What If Lent Wasn't About Giving Up, But Showing Up?

Tue, 17 Feb 2026 04:00:00 -0400

Church leaders often approach Lent with a familiar script: add a devotional practice, give something up, host a midweek service. But what if this season called us to something deeper? In this special Pivot Podcast Lenten reflection, the Rev. Dr. F. Willis Johnson invites us into four transformative Lenten practices for church leaders that meet our exhaustion head-on. He offers: 1. sacred honesty about what hurts; 2. holy slowness as resistance to constant rushing; 3. embodied compassion in places where people are hurting; and 4. courageous imagining that refuses to let harshness shape our vision. Willis doesn't turn away from the brokenness around us—he teaches us to stick with it instead.

From ashes to service, from truth to tenderness, from fear to faithful love—this is the Lenten trajectory Willis traces through the season. He reminds us that Ash Wednesday is not an ending but a true beginning, that the ashes on our skin clarify rather than humiliate, and that we don't walk this journey alone. Whether you're navigating congregational exhaustion, naming systemic injustice, or reclaiming power that looks like service rather than control, these Lenten practices for church leaders offer both challenge and hope for the season ahead.

The Problem With Trying to Make God Show Up

Thu, 12 Feb 2026 05:00:00 -0400

Many church leaders feel crushing church growth pressure—the constant anxiety that if you don't reverse decline or manage outcomes perfectly, you've failed. But what if that pressure is actually destroying the very connections you're trying to create? Dr. Andy Root and Rev. Kara Root discovered this truth on a 63-mile pilgrimage through Scotland with their teenagers. As they learned to let go of control in parenting, they began to see how the same dynamic plays out in pastoral leadership. When consultants use decline statistics to scare congregations into action, when the main issue becomes lack of growth instead of the Word of God, something shifts: pastors become managers and God becomes subtle.

In this episode, Andy (Luther Seminary professor) and Kara (pastor at Lake Nokomis Presbyterian Church in Minneapolis) talk about what it means to create space for God without trying to manufacture the moment. They discuss "semi-controlled experiences" in worship and prayer, where you can create conditions but can't guarantee the encounter. They share what it means to be dialogue partners instead of managers with your congregation. And they reflect on what a 300-year gap in church leadership at the ancient monastery of Lindisfarne taught them about who really holds the story. If you're exhausted from church growth pressure and the weight of trying to control everything, this conversation offers a different way forward.

What If You Stopped Doing Everything? A Q&A on Lay-Led Ministry

Thu, 05 Feb 2026 05:00:00 -0400

Many church leaders love the idea of lay ministry in theory, but struggle to understand what it actually looks like in practice. In this special Q&A episode, Dwight Zscheile and Alicia Granholm answer your questions about the shift from clergy-led to lay-led ministry, sharing concrete examples from small congregations to megachurches that are making this work.

You'll hear concrete examples from small congregations to megachurches that are making this work, learn how to renegotiate expectations with your congregation, discover what clergy are actually called to do when they stop doing everything themselves, and understand why this shift isn't about working yourself out of a job—it's about recovering the biblical pattern of the whole body of Christ engaged in ministry together.

The Church Planters Hiding in Your Congregation

Thu, 29 Jan 2026 05:00:00 -0400

What if the church planters God is calling are already in your congregation? John McGinley, executive director of Myriad in the UK, shares how they're equipping everyday disciples to start new worshiping communities in gyms, schools, neighborhoods, and workplaces. Since 2022, over 100 teams and 400+ people have launched contextual churches led by non-ordained believers. John explains how to recognize potential church planters, why a two-and-a-half-year community journey sustains these fragile new communities, and how ordained leaders can shift from delivering ministry to equipping it.

In this conversation, you'll hear stories of a former bodybuilder who turned his gym into a church where over 20 people have come to faith, and a mom who created worship for families with special needs children. John shares practical wisdom on validating callings you might be missing, building small communities around meals and relationships rather than programs, and contextualizing the gospel for the people already in your networks. Discover how the role of ordained leadership is shifting from professional ministry delivery to equipping and overseeing grassroots church planters who are reaching people traditional models can't.

Why Stay Protestant?

Thu, 22 Jan 2026 05:00:00 -0400

What does Protestant identity in Christ mean for today's church leaders? In this conversation, theologian Beth Felker Jones explores why Protestant faith still matters in a moment when many are converting to Catholicism, embracing Orthodoxy, or deconstructing entirely. Beth unpacks the unique gifts of Protestant tradition: scripture as our primary authority, communal interpretation led by the Spirit, and the freedom to contextualize the gospel for new times and places. She challenges the myth of a "one pure church" before Protestantism and offers a compelling case for reclaiming Protestant heritage without fragmenting the broader body of Christ.

Beth also addresses church hurt with refreshing honesty, exploring how Protestant identity in Christ allows space for both brokenness and hope. From the art of retelling the gospel for new contexts to why justification by grace still speaks to our self-justifying culture, this conversation helps leaders think more deeply about what they've inherited and what they want to pass on. Whether you're navigating questions about tradition and authority or helping people explore their faith identity, Beth offers wisdom for embracing Protestant faith as a gift rather than just a default.

What Happens When Familiarity Wears Off the Edge

Thu, 15 Jan 2026 05:00:00 -0400

Discover how to read the financial parables of Jesus Christ with fresh eyes in this conversation with Dr. Keith Bodner, author of "Exploring the Financial Parables of Jesus." Keith shares how a moment of panic in the pulpit led him to rediscover the confrontational power of Jesus' economic stories—parables about treasure in fields, workers in vineyards, servants with talents, and rich men who know their neighbor's name but never open the gate. These stories reveal what Keith calls the economy of grace, where God's generosity turns our assumptions about wealth, fairness, and resources upside down.

The financial parables of Jesus Christ haven't lost their power—familiarity has just worn off their edge. Keith helps church leaders understand why context matters when interpreting these stories, how a deficient view of God shapes the way we respond to what we've been given, and why the older brother in the prodigal son parable might be about us rather than the Pharisees. Whether you're preparing to preach on the parable of the talents, teaching a Bible study on Lazarus at the gate, or helping your congregation think differently about stewardship, this conversation offers practical insights for letting these ancient texts confront and transform us again.

Two Pastors, One Vision, and a Merger That Changed Everything

Thu, 08 Jan 2026 05:00:00 -0400

In November 2020, amid a pandemic and national racial reckoning, two congregations in Des Moines made a bold decision to merge. Hope Des Moines, a primarily white Lutheran church, and Elim Christian Fellowship, a historically Black church, became Hope+Elim. This wasn't about saving declining attendance or finding quick institutional fixes. It was about two pastors who had built a friendship over years of sharing pulpits and dreaming together, and who believed God was calling them to witness to church unity in their city.

Pastor Brian Brown joins the conversation to share what building church unity actually looks like in real time. From blending worship styles to tackling hard conversations about race with grace, from hosting community meals to creating ministry partnerships that serve their neighborhood, Hope+Elim is learning that proximity doesn't equal community. Real church unity requires vulnerability, resilience, and the willingness to create something new together. If you're wondering where to start in building bridges across racial and cultural divides, Brian's wisdom offers both practical guidance and hope for the journey.

Pastoral Care for Pastors: What That Stable Teaches Us

Thu, 18 Dec 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Pastoral care for pastors takes center stage in this special Christmas reflection as Steve Thomason offers church leaders a rare gift during the busiest season of the year: permission to let go of perfect. If you've been working nonstop since September with rally days, sermons, hospital visits, and board meetings, you know the weight that builds as Christmas approaches. The pressure to make everything spectacular for people who'll only attend once all year can feel overwhelming. But Steve invites leaders to remember what really happened that first Christmas night—not spectacle or perfection, but the raw, ordinary mess of childbirth in a stable where God chose to enter the world.

Drawing from the Gospel of John and Paul's letter to the Philippians, Steve reminds us that Jesus didn't own a home or get worked up about buildings and budgets. He had a simple call: proclaim God's kingdom and invite people to love God and neighbor. This reflection offers weary church leaders a blessing of simplicity, inviting them back to that stable scene where a young couple, displaced strangers finding shelter among animals, brought God into the world through the same painful process we all experience. It was normal, messy, and beautiful—and pastoral care for pastors means remembering that you are too.

What Does AI Mean for the Church? A Conversation with Dr. Paul Hoffman

Thu, 11 Dec 2025 05:00:00 -0400

AI and church leadership are colliding in ways that demand theological clarity. Dr. Paul Hoffman, author of AI Shepherds and Electric Sheep, joins hosts Terri Elton and Dwight Zscheile to offer a framework for discernment: How might artificial intelligence help or hinder human flourishing? And what does human flourishing mean when we're created in the image of God? Paul brings both pastoral experience and academic rigor to questions many church leaders are facing: Should AI write sermons? How do we shepherd people forming relationships with chatbots? What embodied practices can help our congregations stay grounded in an increasingly digital world?

Rather than embracing technological solutions or rejecting them entirely, Paul invites church leaders into curiosity and theological reflection. He explores which ministry tasks AI can genuinely assist with and which require irreplaceable human presence. From the incarnation of Jesus to the gathered worship of Christian community, Paul helps us see what technology can never touch and why embodiment matters more than ever. Whether your congregation is already experimenting with AI or you're just beginning these conversations, this episode offers practical wisdom for shepherding your people through this cultural shift.

The Pain You Don't Name, You Transmit to Others

Thu, 04 Dec 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Ministry burnout prevention isn't just about better time management or clearer boundaries. In this episode, Wes Granberg-Michaelson shares what he learned from five decades of church leadership and 50 years of personal journals: the leaders who sustain faithful ministry for the long haul are the ones who tend their inner lives. Wes explains why "only the pain you name is available for transformation" and why the pain you don't name gets transmitted to others. He talks about building a "holding space" that takes care of your soul when no board or congregation will do it for you, why prayer is fundamentally about attention in an attention economy, and why strategic plans can't do what spiritual grounding does. For church leaders feeling exhausted or discouraged, Wes offers both honest diagnosis and genuine hope.

Wes also addresses what's really happening with spiritual interest in America beyond the decline statistics, why the deepest failure of mainline Christianity has been the failure of Christian formation, and what pastors can learn from Dietrich Bonhoeffer about forming communities in challenging times. Drawing on his experience from the U.S. Senate to denominational leadership to global ecumenical work, Wes challenges the addiction to planning and control that infiltrates the church and invites leaders to pay attention to where God is already at work. This conversation offers wisdom about integrating your inward and outward journeys for sustainable, faithful leadership.

What Blessing Actually Means (And Why It Matters This Thanksgiving)

Tue, 25 Nov 2025 05:00:00 -0400

In this special Thanksgiving episode, Luther Seminary professor Dr. Lois Malcolm offers a seven-minute blessing that reclaims what gratitude and thanksgiving actually mean in Scripture. Instead of linking blessing with wealth, health, and success, Lois explores the deeper biblical meaning: that blessings invoke and impart God's very presence with us. She traces blessing from Abraham through Moses, David, and Jesus, showing how God's people are called to be a blessing to others even when we fail, even in the face of injustice.

Lois concludes with a personal blessing adapted from Ephesians 3 for every church leader listening. Whether you're worn down from ministry demands or simply need to hear that God's steadfast love and mercy remain with you in life's complexity, this blessing is for you. As Psalm 103 reminds us, God gives our souls "the animating center of our lives, something artificial intelligence cannot rob or create." This Thanksgiving, receive a blessing grounded not in your circumstances but in the God who accomplishes abundantly more than we can ask or imagine.

Church Planting Without a Template: The Starter's Way

Thu, 20 Nov 2025 05:00:00 -0400

When established churches struggle to connect with their communities, leaders typically reach for one of two solutions: work harder at the inherited model, or import a successful church plant template. But Dr. Dwight Zscheile and Rev. Ed Olsworth-Peter are inviting us to consider a different approach—one that develops church plant leadership skills through deep listening to the Spirit and to the neighborhood rather than implementing blueprints or programs. In this episode, they discuss their new book, The Starter's Way, which draws on stories from both the UK's Fresh Expression Movement and communities across the United States to explore the spiritual foundations and practices that make for faithful, sustainable leadership of new Christian communities.

Dwight and Ed share compelling examples of contextual ministry, from a Wisconsin community that created "Play, Pray, and Popsicles" for families with neurodivergent children to forest churches in the UK where people encounter God in creation. They explore the 15 pioneer principles that shape church plant leadership skills, organized around spiritual foundations (Jesus-centered, prayerful, called, bicultural, and responsive), inward qualities (discerning, self-giving, playful, hospitable, and resilient), and outward practices (noticing, adapting, experimenting, co-creating, and persisting). This conversation offers hope for leaders who want to join what God is already doing in their neighborhoods rather than trying to fix inherited structures or replicate someone else's success story.

Why Young Adults Aren't Necessarily Leaving Faith (And What They're Actually Looking For)

Thu, 13 Nov 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Many church leaders notice fewer young adults in the pews and wonder what strategy to try next. But Kristina Frugé, who leads the Riverside Innovation Hub at Augsburg University, has spent years actually listening to young adults. She's discovered something encouraging: they are open to connections to spiritual communities. They're hungry for authentic relationships, meaningful engagement with their real lives, and churches that practice what they preach. The gap isn't about coffee bars or contemporary worship. It's about whether churches lead with genuine curiosity or anxiety about decline. Young adults can tell the difference.

In this episode, Kristina shares insights from her work with hundreds of young adults and from the new book "Hungry for Hope: Letters to the Church from Young Adults." She explains why young adults want to be known rather than known about, how "courageous curiosity" creates space for genuine connection, and why grief might be an important place to start. The good news? Churches already have what they need—relationships, practices, stories, and people who know how to love their neighbors. The question is whether we're willing to listen for where God is already at work in the lives of faith and young adults in our communities.

When Mental Health Ministry Becomes Everyone's Work

Thu, 06 Nov 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Our congregations are filled with people wrestling with anxiety, depression, and struggles they don't always name out loud. Many church leaders feel the weight of wanting to help people through their mental health challenges, but what does a shared approach to pastoral care look like in a church setting? And how can leaders companion people through these struggles without burning out? In this episode, Dr. Cody Sanders—Associate Professor of Congregational and Community Care Leadership at Luther Seminary and author of Spiritual Care First Aid—shares how churches can become communities of healing and hope. He offers practical examples of collaborative approaches to care, from worship planning to equipping lay caregivers, that honor both the humanity of those who are struggling and the limitations of those who care.

You'll discover why companioning beats fixing every time, how to create trauma-informed care practices without clinical training, and practical ways to combat loneliness in your congregation. Cody shares stories of churches doing this well—from pastors passing out donuts at the high school to congregations equipping lay care teams that become self-sustaining. Whether you're a pastor feeling overwhelmed by caregiving responsibilities or a lay leader wanting to support your community better, this conversation offers a sustainable path forward that invites your entire church to share in the ministry of care.

A Regional Church System Cultivates Faithful Innovation

Thu, 23 Oct 2025 05:00:00 -0400

What does it take to become a missional church in today's changing landscape? Bishop Scott Johnson and Deacon Timothy Siburg of the Nebraska Synod ELCA are helping 217 congregations discover the answer—and it starts with listening rather than fixing. In this episode, they share how churches across Nebraska are shifting from asking "How do we get people back?" to "What is God already doing in our community?" Through their Vitality Initiative and Mission Field Nebraska, they're creating permission-giving cultures where congregations experiment boldly, learn from unexpected partners, and discover that faithfulness means joining what God is doing in the present.

Scott and Timothy offer practical wisdom for any church leader navigating change, whether in rural or urban contexts. You'll learn how to move from church-centered to God-centered questions, why giving permission is more powerful than providing programs, and how cross-cultural partnerships can transform traditional congregations into vibrant missional churches. They don't sugarcoat the challenges ahead—drawing on Romans 8's image of labor pains, they acknowledge the hard work required. But they also remind us that we're not alone in this work, and that the primary leader of the church is God, not us. If you're feeling overwhelmed by the pressure to innovate while managing traditional ministry demands, this conversation offers hope and a clearer path forward.

The Gap Between Sunday Sermons and Monday Struggles

Thu, 16 Oct 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Integrating faith and work is one of the biggest gaps in church ministry today. Most Christians spend the majority of their waking hours at work, navigating ethical dilemmas, difficult relationships, and daily decisions that test their faith. Yet what gets talked about in church on Sunday rarely connects with what people are wrestling with Monday through Saturday. Many business leaders feel like church either puts them on a pedestal as "job creators" or critiques them for participating in capitalism—and neither approach helps them figure out how to follow Jesus in the workplace.

In this episode, Dr. Michael Binder—a Luther Seminary professor and co-owner of a five-generation HVAC business—shares what he's learned from living in both worlds. Michael helps us imagine what it would look like for churches to create space where people can talk about their real work struggles, what preaching sounds like when it equips people for the six days they're not in church, and why helping members integrate faith and work into their daily callings might be some of the most important ministry we do. If your members spend most of their lives outside the church building, this conversation will challenge you to think differently about faith and work integration.

The Sacred Listening Revolution in Youth Ministry

Thu, 09 Oct 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Gen Z and Gen Alpha have grown up in a world where institutional trust has deeply eroded—and that changes everything about youth ministry. In this episode, sociologist Dr. Josh Packard explains why the ministry strategies that worked for previous generations are falling flat with today's young people. It's not that Gen Z and Gen Alpha hate the church or are rebelling against it. Most simply grew up without any connection to religious institutions at all. Josh shares why the shift from high-trust to low-trust culture means churches must lead with relationships rather than programs, buildings, or pastoral credentials.

Josh, author of "Faithful Futures: Sacred Tools for Engaging Younger Generations," introduces the concept of "sacred listening"—a three-part framework that helps youth workers build authentic connections at scale. You'll learn practical tools for managing dozens or even hundreds of relationships, why teenagers' "thin faith" expressions aren't the real concern, what COVID did to young people's social development, and why the critical years between 18-30 determine whether youthful faith deepens or disappears. This conversation offers hope and practical guidance for anyone working with Gen Z and Gen Alpha.

What Happens When Church Leaders Stop Trying to Be Perfect

Thu, 02 Oct 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Are you exhausted from trying to be the perfect church leader who has all the answers? Nicole Massie Martin, COO of Christianity Today and author of "Nailing It: Why Successful Leadership Demands Suffering and Surrender," introduces us to cruciform leadership—a revolutionary approach that places the cross at the center of how we lead. Drawing from her journey from corporate consultant to ministry executive, Nicole reveals how most leadership models ignore the very heart of Christian faith and why pastors are burning out trying to lead like the world instead of following Jesus.

In this powerful conversation, Nicole shows us what it means to replace perfectionism with perfect union with Christ, how to let God set the pace instead of competing with other churches, and why authentic vulnerability is what congregations are actually hungry for. Through cruciform leadership, church leaders can move from trying to be their congregation's savior to pointing people toward the real Savior, discovering the abundant life that comes through embracing the way of the cross rather than chasing worldly success.

Why You Were Never Meant to Lead Alone

Thu, 25 Sep 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Many church leaders today feel trapped in unsustainable patterns of solo ministry, carrying everything from sermon prep to pastoral care to vision casting on their own shoulders. Dr. Eun Strawser, a physician, author, and church planter in Hawaii, discovered that these church leadership best practices aren't actually biblical at all. In this episode, she shares how moving from exhausted solo leadership to shared community leadership transformed her ministry from one community to 12 missional communities serving over 650 people, all while maintaining her medical practice and raising three children.

Eun reveals the "four H's" of biblical leadership (humility, honor, hospitality, and hope) that create better leaders than secular markers of control, crowd, and contribution. Through compelling stories from her Hawaii context, including leaders like Kelsey who serves 500 seniors and Melissa whose community provides school supplies for 1,000 families, listeners will discover practical church leadership best practices for identifying, developing, and empowering leaders throughout their congregations. Whether you're feeling isolated in ministry or looking to multiply your impact, this conversation offers a roadmap for sustainable, Kingdom-focused leadership that actually works.

Why Smaller Churches Have a Secret Advantage Right Now

Thu, 18 Sep 2025 05:00:00 -0400

The 90% of American congregations with fewer than 200 weekly attendees are gifted communities of faith. They are strategically positioned ministries with unique small church advantages for this time. In this episode, Brandon O'Brien, author of the newly revised "The Strategically Small Church" and director of global thought leadership for Redeemer City to City, challenges the narrative that bigger automatically means better in church ministry. Drawing from nearly two decades of serving pastors worldwide, Brandon reveals how small churches possess distinct small church advantages including radical particularity, authentic community, and the agility to contextualize ministry for specific populations that larger congregations simply cannot replicate.

Brandon shares practical insights about leveraging small church advantages through asset-based thinking, focusing on worship, formation, and mission as a minimally viable ecclesiology, and embracing authenticity as a powerful evangelistic tool in our current cultural moment. Whether you're pastoring a rural congregation of 15 or an urban church of 150, this conversation will help you notice your assets and strategic strengths for ministry and mission in this time. God loves congregations of all sizes. Smaller membership congregations are strategic powerhouses positioned for meaningful mission and ministry in your particular community. Discover why the future of faithful church leadership may well depend on understanding and maximizing these essential small church advantages.

Why 70% of Church Change Efforts Fail (And How to Beat Those Odds)

Thu, 11 Sep 2025 05:00:00 -0400

In part two of our conversation with Dr. Kara Powell, Dr. Jake Mulder, and Ray Chang from Fuller Seminary, we dive deep into the practical aspects of transforming church organizational culture. Harvard Business Review reports that 70% of change efforts fail, but these researchers have discovered why some churches successfully navigate transformation while others struggle. The key lies not in solo leadership or quick fixes, but in building diverse transformation teams that can effectively guide change through four essential zones: here, there, who, and how. Our guests share compelling stories of churches that shifted from spectator-based ministry to empowering communities of co-creators, demonstrating how effective church organizational culture change happens when the right people stay at the table long enough to discern God's direction together.

Whether you're a pastor carrying the weight of change alone or a church leader seeking practical strategies for engaging your congregation in transformation, this episode offers hope and concrete tools for developing a future-focused approach. Learn why starting with "who" is more important than starting with "why," discover practical exercises for imagining your church's future through Scripture and community discernment, and explore how Jesus modeled the most effective change leadership principles. From building transformation teams with the right mix of authority and responsibility to creating church organizational culture that naturally develops disciples who live out their faith in daily life, this conversation provides a roadmap for sustainable church transformation rooted in theological conviction and practical wisdom.

Why Your Church's Best Days Are Ahead (Even If Attendance Is Down)

Thu, 04 Sep 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Is your church organizational culture stuck in patterns that no longer serve younger generations? After working with over 1,000 congregations through their Growing Young Cohort, researchers Dr. Kara Powell, Dr. Jake Mulder, and Raymond Chang discovered that thriving churches aren't distinguished by their programs or budgets, but by their willingness to transform their church organizational culture around three key checkpoints: relationally discipling young people, modeling kingdom diversity, and tangibly loving neighbors. These aren't flashy new strategies but research-backed, kingdom-oriented practices that create the kind of church organizational culture where faith naturally forms across generations.

In this hopeful conversation, the co-authors of "Future Focused Church" share why they believe "the best days of your church are ahead" and reveal how small wins can reshape entire congregations. Learn why "culture eats strategy for breakfast," discover the four essential skills for leading change (here, there, who, how), and hear practical stories of churches that moved from programs to people, creating meaningful community in our post-pandemic world. Whether you're struggling with declining attendance or wondering how to engage diverse communities authentically, this episode offers both theological grounding and practical hope for transforming your church organizational culture.

Why Authentic Christian Leadership Has Nothing to Do With Perfect Methods

Thu, 28 Aug 2025 05:00:00 -0400

What does authentic Christian leadership actually look like in today's cultural moment? Jason Jensen, Vice President of Spiritual Foundations for InterVarsity Christian Fellowship USA, discovered the answer through 29 years of ministry at UC Berkeley—one of the most challenging campus environments in the country. After his proven Bible study techniques fell flat in a cross-cultural context, Jason learned that authentic Christian leadership flows from character formation, not charisma or methodological mastery. His supervisor's simple question—"What do you experience in my leadership?"—launched a transformation that would reshape his entire understanding of spiritual authority.

Drawing from the Gospel of Luke, Jason reveals why the most influential leaders in God's story are often the unexpected ones, and why aiming for "healthy and holy" beats "smart and fast" every time. He shares how authentic Christian leadership develops through integrity, community discernment, and learning to follow God's movement rather than trying to fix institutional problems. Whether you're a pastor, ministry leader, or volunteer stepping into leadership roles, this conversation will challenge you to rethink what true spiritual authority looks like and discover how to lead as "secondary supporting cast" in God's ongoing story.

The Lost Art That Formed Deep Disciples for 300 Years (And Why Churches Are Rediscovering It)

Thu, 21 Aug 2025 05:00:00 -0400

What if the struggle many churches face with forming deep, lasting disciples is an invitation to rediscover catechesis, the ancient practice that transformed the early church? For three centuries, when Christianity was just one option among many in a pluralist culture, the church developed a patient, comprehensive approach to catechesis that formed people in the basic building blocks of thinking, praying, and living as Christians. Dr. Alex Fogleman, author of "Making Disciples: Catechesis in History, Theology, and Practice," explores how this ancient wisdom can revolutionize modern discipleship formation.

In this conversation, Alex reveals how catechesis addresses today's cultural fragmentation through what he calls a "pedagogy of enchantment"—formation that goes beyond mere information to create genuine encounters with the living God. Discover why effective catechesis takes time, how to practice "counter-catechesis" against competing cultural creeds, and practical steps for implementing this transformative approach in your church context. Whether you're wrestling with surface-level Christian education or seeking deeper formation practices, this episode offers ancient solutions for contemporary discipleship challenges.

The Question that Left Stewardship Leaders Speechless

Thu, 14 Aug 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Most churches have fallen into the trap of only discussing money during budget season or stewardship campaigns, focusing solely on what people give rather than how they live. But what if there's a way to go beyond the tithe and help people navigate their entire financial lives through the lens of faith? Grace Pomroy, Director of the Stewardship Leaders Program at Luther Seminary, discovered this gap when she asked a room of stewardship leaders a simple question that left them speechless: "What's one way you've managed money faithfully that didn't involve giving it away?"

In this episode, Grace shares insights from her Faith and Money Learning Lab about how congregations can move beyond the tithe toward holistic financial discipleship. She reveals practical approaches for creating safe spaces where people can explore what it means to spend, save, and earn money faithfully, including spiritual practices that start with God's love rather than shame. Whether you're a pastor, lay leader, or someone wrestling with how faith intersects with your financial decisions, this conversation offers hope for engaging money conversations that transform lives rather than just fund budgets.

What If Your Church's Problems Aren't Meant to Be Fixed?

Wed, 06 Aug 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Church leadership challenges seem to multiply daily in today's uncertain ministry landscape. Declining attendance, budget shortfalls, aging facilities, and disengaged members can create an endless stream of problems that feel urgent to fix. But what if all the energy spent on fixing is actually getting in the way of what God wants to do? In this special Q&A episode, Pivot Podcast hosts Terri Elton, Dwight Zscheile, and Alicia Granholm address some pressing church leadership challenges facing pastors and ministry leaders today, offering a radically different approach rooted in biblical wisdom.

Rather than providing quick fixes or new programs, the hosts explore how to shift from a fixing mindset to one of listening and discernment. They discuss why encounters with the living God matter more than perfect programming, how to distinguish between institutional decline and the necessary dying that leads to resurrection, and practical ways to move toward collaborative ministry models. Whether you're wrestling with questions about preaching authority, lay leadership development, or simply feeling overwhelmed by church leadership challenges, this conversation offers hope and wisdom for navigating faithful ministry in changing times.

What if Your "Empty" Church Building is Actually Your Greatest Ministry Asset?

Thu, 31 Jul 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Many congregations today find themselves wrestling with inherited buildings that no longer fit their present reality—spaces that are underutilized, expensive to maintain, and disconnected from their neighbors. But what if reimagining church spaces could transform these perceived burdens into powerful assets for community flourishing? Tim Anderson and Tabitha Montgomery, co-executive directors of Flourish Placemaking Collective, have spent years helping churches discover exactly that possibility.

In this conversation with host Dwight Zscheile, Tim and Tabitha share their journey from community organizers searching for programming space to consultants helping churches practice what they call "placemaking"—centering the broader community rather than just congregational needs when thinking about church facilities. They discuss the practical steps churches can take when reimagining church spaces, from honest self-assessment to developing a "theology of space," and share inspiring examples like their own Center for Belonging, where a unused church basement became home to seven thriving nonprofit partners. Whether your congregation has 15 members or 150, this episode offers hope and practical wisdom for stewarding church property in ways that serve both faithful mission and neighborhood flourishing.

Why We're "The Ancients Again" (And What That Means for Your Church)

Thu, 24 Jul 2025 05:00:00 -0400

How do you maintain Christian identity in a culture where Christianity is "merely one option among many"? Church historian Dr. Stephen Presley argues that today's believers face challenges remarkably similar to those of the early church—and can learn much from how ancient Christians navigated their complex cultural moment. Rather than withdrawing from society or seeking political dominance, early believers practiced what Stephen calls "cultural sanctification"—being fully present in pagan spaces while maintaining distinctly Christian identity through quiet evangelism, deep formation, and faithful citizenship.

In this conversation, Stephen shares how early Christians like Polycarp could respect civil authority while refusing to compromise their faith, why conversion involved both catechesis and liturgical formation, and what quiet evangelism looked like in practice. He offers practical guidance for local church leaders who want to engage their communities faithfully without retreating from the world or compromising their Christian identity. Stephen is Associate Professor of Church History at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary and author of "Cultural Sanctification: Engaging the World Like the Early Church."

What to Do When You Don't Know What to Do (with Dr. Angela Gorrell)

Thu, 17 Jul 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Religious decision making can feel overwhelming when you're caught between equally important values or facing an uncertain future. In this episode, Dr. Angela Williams-Gorrell shares her practical framework for faithful discernment that emerged from her own difficult choices, including leaving a tenured academic position and navigating divorce. As both a practical theologian and someone who has walked through complex decisions, Angela offers a process that honors both human wisdom and divine guidance, moving beyond quick fixes to help listeners engage in meaningful religious decision making.

Angela's approach to religious decision making includes five key phases: recognizing the "stirring" that signals change, actively surrendering to God's guidance, working constructively with emotions, sifting through competing values and convictions, and finding "sated joy" in faithful choices. Throughout the conversation, she emphasizes that emotions are "incredibly helpful teachers" in the discernment process and challenges the false binary between rational and emotional decision-making. Whether you're a pastor facing ministry challenges, a leader navigating organizational change, or someone at a personal crossroads, this episode provides both theological depth and practical tools for making decisions that align with your faith and values.

Why This Church Traded Their Biggest Event for a Coffee Shop (And What Happened Next)

Tue, 08 Jul 2025 11:09:00 -0400

What if the solution to declining church participation isn't better programs, but joining neighbors where they already are? Pastor Shannon Kiser, Senior Director of Fresh Expressions North America, shares how her congregation at Riverside Presbyterian transformed from hosting 2,000 kids once a year at their "Slop Fest" mud Olympics to creating ongoing relationships through fresh expressions of church. Their bold move - selling donated land and opening a seven-day-a-week coffee shop with indoor playground - turned their half of an office building into the community's favorite gathering place for families.

Shannon reveals the "who before what" principle driving fresh expressions across denominations, from dinner churches to workplace ministries. She offers practical first steps any inherited church can take to connect authentically with neighbors, including how to see your community with "the eyes of Jesus" and why one church's simple question to their local high school - "Who's the most underserved group here?" - changed everything. Perfect for church leaders feeling stuck between maintaining existing programs and wondering what God might be calling them toward in an era of rapid cultural change.

How Fresh Expressions Saved This Pastor's Ministry (And Her Sanity)

Wed, 02 Jul 2025 10:30:00 -0400

Many church leaders find themselves exhausted by traditional programming that no longer connects with their changing neighborhoods. In this episode, discover how fresh expressions can move you beyond fixing declining programs to creating vibrant new forms of faith community. Host Dwight Zscheile speaks with Shannon Kiser, Senior Director of Fresh Expressions North America, about her transformation from VBS burnout to pioneering fresh expressions that bring diverse families together through shared activities like soccer and art.

Shannon shares the "loving first journey" - a listening-first approach to developing fresh expressions that begins with discerning where God is already at work in your community rather than planning in committee rooms. Learn how to identify and release pioneers, supporters, and permission givers for fresh expressions in your congregation, and discover why fresh expressions actually energize inherited churches rather than competing with them. Whether you're struggling with volunteer recruitment, seeking to connect with your neighborhood's diversity, or wondering how to move from membership-focused to discipleship-centered ministry, this conversation offers practical insights into fresh expressions that create space for authentic community engagement and spiritual formation.

Has Religion Become Obsolete? with Christian Smith (Part 2)

Thu, 26 Jun 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Has Religion Become Obsolete in American Culture?

In this second part of our conversation with sociologist Dr. Christian Smith, we explore his groundbreaking research on why traditional religion has lost its cultural relevance for post-Boomer generations. Dr. Smith unpacks what he calls the "Millennial Zeitgeist" - a complex cultural worldview shaped by digital technology, individualism, and anti-institutional sentiment that has fundamentally changed how younger Americans approach faith, truth, and spiritual meaning.

Rather than offering quick fixes for declining church attendance, Dr. Smith challenges religious leaders to understand the deeper cultural forces at play and engage in profound soul-searching about authentic Christian identity. He reveals how the re-enchantment movement is drawing people to mysticism and alternative spiritualities - resources that churches once provided but abandoned in pursuit of secular respectability. This conversation offers essential insights for church leaders wrestling with whether religion has become obsolete and how faith communities can respond faithfully to massive cultural transformation.

RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:

"Why Religion Went Obsolete: The Demise of Traditional Faith in America" by Dr. Christian Smith

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Has Religion Become Obsolete? A Conversation with Christian Smith

Wed, 18 Jun 2025 05:00:00 -0400

What's Really Behind America's Religious Decline?

*Rebroadcast on Oct. 30, 2025 - Top episode*

If you're watching church attendance declining at your congregation and wondering what you're doing wrong, this conversation will transform how you understand the challenges facing American religion. Dr. Christian Smith, sociologist at the University of Notre Dame and author of "Why Religion Went Obsolete," reveals that the struggles you're experiencing aren't primarily about your leadership, programs, or preaching. Instead, we're dealing with "perfect storm" conditions—massive cultural, technological, and social forces that have been building for decades, creating what Smith calls a "cultural mismatch" between traditional religion and today's zeitgeist.

Smith's research identifies specific factors since 1991 that have reshaped the religious landscape, from the deinstitutionalization of the American family to the rise of anti-institutional sentiment and popular postmodernism. Rather than trying to fix church attendance declining through traditional methods, church leaders need to understand these macro-level forces and redirect their energy toward discerning where God is already at work. This liberating perspective helps leaders move beyond self-blame to focus on faithful response to genuinely unprecedented cultural conditions. Join hosts Dwight Zscheile and Terri Elton as they explore why traditional religion has become "obsolete" in American culture and what this means for the future of faith communities.

RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:

"Why Religion Went Obsolete: The Demise of Traditional Faith in America" by Dr. Christian Smith

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Reframing Evangelism: Following Jesus into Sorrow with Andy Root Part 2

Thu, 12 Jun 2025 05:00:00 -0400

The New Evangelism Message That's Changing Everything.

What if reframing evangelism isn't about getting more people in church, but about learning to meet Jesus in the midst of sorrow? In part two of our conversation with Luther Seminary professor Andy Root we explore a radically different approach to sharing faith that moves beyond happiness-hunting strategies to embrace God's presence in brokenness.

Andy Root, author of "Evangelism in an Age of Despair," challenges churches to stop chasing evangelism success like gamblers at a table and instead learn what it means to journey with people into their deepest sorrows.

Drawing insights from Blaise Pascal's spiritual journey, this conversation reveals how reframing evangelism around sorrow and loss can actually lead to more authentic faith sharing.

ABOUT ANDY ROOT:

Andrew Root, PhD (Princeton Theological Seminary) is the Carrie Olson Baalson Professor of Youth and Family Ministry at Luther Seminary. He is most recently the author of Evangelism in an Age of Despair and the six volume Ministry in a Secular Age series.

RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:

Book: Evangelism in an Age of Despair: Hope Beyond the Failed Promise of Happiness" by Andy Root
Pivot Podcast episode: Reframing Evangelism: Following Jesus into Sorrow with Andy Root (Part 1)

Reframing Evangelism: Following Jesus into Sorrow with Andy Root (Part 1)

Thu, 05 Jun 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Many church leaders feel caught between uncomfortable extremes when it comes to how to evangelize - either instrumental strategies that feel manipulative or avoiding evangelism altogether out of fear it will drive people away. In this episode, Luther Seminary professor Andy Root offers a third way through his new book "Evangelism in an Age of Despair." Andy shows how to evangelize through what he calls "a theology of consolation" - recognizing that the caring relationships churches naturally build actually constitute authentic evangelism when grounded in the conviction that Jesus Christ is present in our shared sorrows.

Rather than learning new programs or strategies, Andy helps church leaders recognize the evangelism they're already doing. When congregations sit with people going through cancer treatment, help neighbors clean out a deceased parent's home, or simply take walks with those who are grieving, they're practicing presence-based evangelism. This conversation will transform how you think about how to evangelize by moving from strategy-based approaches to authentic ministry that flows naturally from Christian care and consolation.

ABOUT ANDY ROOT:

RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:

Book: Evangelism in an Age of Despair (Andy Root, 2025):
Book: The Promise of Despair (Andy Root, 2010)
Book: The Gospel of Wellness (Rina Raphael, 2022)
Book: The Ethics of Authenticity (Charles Taylor, 2018)
Book: Cosmopolis (Stephen Toulmin, 1992)

Being Church During Community Crisis

Thu, 29 May 2025 05:00:00 -0400

When devastating wildfires swept through Pasadena in early 2025, La Fuente Ministries faced a test of what it means to be church in community crisis. Pastor Marcos Canales and Nina Lau Branson join us to share how their bilingual, intergenerational congregation discovered that being church in community crisis isn't about having perfect emergency plans—it's about cultivating spiritual practices and community connections that help people encounter God even in the midst of catastrophe. From grief stations during the pandemic to emotional vocabulary work and neighborhood-based "casitas" groups, their intentional approach to formation created a foundation that served them well when members lost homes and their entire community faced displacement and trauma.

This conversation reveals what authentic church in community crisis looks like beyond typical disaster response protocols. Marcos and Nina demonstrate how embracing the full spectrum of human emotions, creating liturgies that externalize trauma, and fostering distributed leadership can transform crisis from something that destroys community into a pathway for deeper discipleship. Whether your congregation is currently navigating challenges or you want to understand how to be church in community crisis when difficulties arise, their witness offers hope and concrete tools for any church leader committed to shepherding with authenticity and care.

One Vine, Many Branches: Why Your Church Needs Multiple Models to Thrive

Thu, 22 May 2025 05:00:00 -0400

In this thought-provoking episode of the Pivot Podcast, we dive deep into the concept of "one church multiple models" with returning guest Dwight Zscheile. Dwight unpacks the idea of a "mixed ecology" - where traditional congregations and new forms of ministry can flourish together as one church with multiple expressions. He explains how cultural shifts are making traditional church structures increasingly obsolete for younger generations, while presenting practical ways to develop multiple models that don't add to leaders' already full plates.

Explore how clergy can shift from "performing" ministry to equipping others, discover practical first steps toward nurturing both inherited and new expressions of church, and learn the biblical foundations for diverse ministry models using the vine and branches metaphor. Whether you're struggling with declining attendance, volunteer burnout, or connecting with your changing community, embracing one church multiple models offers a hopeful path forward that honors tradition while embracing creative new approaches. Dwight's insights from his forthcoming book, co-authored with Blair Pogue, provide a timely roadmap for church leaders navigating today's challenging ministry landscape.

What Do Jazz and Biblical Preaching Have in Common? Finding Your Improvisational Voice

Thu, 15 May 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Biblical improvisation offers a compelling framework for preaching in today's complex cultural landscape. In this thought-provoking episode of the Pivot Podcast, Dr. Mark Glanville, Director of the Center for Missional Leadership and professional jazz pianist, shares how preachers can be like jazz musicians—deeply rooted in tradition while creating something fresh and contextual with each sermon.

Drawing from his new book "Preaching in a New Key," Mark explores how the post-Christian shift impacts biblical proclamation and offers practical strategies for preachers navigating this transition. Discover how to move from positional authority to invitational posture, cultivate genuine curiosity with scripture, and form communities that reflect Christ's love in their neighborhoods.

From Harbor to Breakwater: How This Church Turned $150K into $6 Million in Community Impact

Thu, 08 May 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Is your church struggling to meaningfully engage with your community? In this transformative episode of the Pivot Podcast, host Dwight Zscheile interviews Pastor Ed Doerner about his innovative approach to church leadership community engagement. Discover how Messiah Lutheran Church in Midland, Michigan transformed from being $5.2 million in debt to creating a sustainable community ministry model that provides $6.2 million worth of services annually through their "Beyond the Breakwater" approach.

Pastor Ed shares practical insights on developing sustainable ministries that preserve dignity, reach the often-overlooked ALICE population (Asset Limited, Income Constrained, Employed), and create organic opportunities for faith conversations. Learn about their car repair facility, grocery store, healthcare clinic, and appliance refurbishment ministries—all designed to engage church leaders in community transformation while empowering lay leadership.

What Today's College Students Are Really Seeking in Spiritual Communities

Thu, 01 May 2025 05:00:00 -0400

In this compelling Pivot Podcast episode, we explore effective Gen Z spiritual formation through the lens of campus ministry. Eric Huseth, Executive Director of Emmaus Campus Ministry at the University of Montana, shares how his team creates authentic spaces for students to explore faith on their own terms. Eric describes today's college students as assembling a "spiritual jigsaw puzzle" influenced by diverse traditions and profound cultural experiences.

Discover practical insights on sustainable ministry models, ecumenical partnerships, and how to communicate faith authentically to a generation with what Eric calls "the biggest BS meter imaginable." Whether you're in campus ministry or leading a traditional congregation, this conversation offers valuable perspectives on forming disciples among younger generations.

The Radical Relief of Grace: Where Churches Find Freedom Beyond Achievement

Thu, 24 Apr 2025 05:00:00 -0400

In a culture driven by performance and achievement, ministry leaders often feel immense pressure to fix declining institutions and busy congregations with more programs. David Zahl, founder of Mockingbird Ministries and author of "The Big Relief," joins hosts Dwight Zscheile and Terri Elton to explore how grace-centered ministry offers an alternative that both relieves pressure and creates more vibrant communities. David shares how his church has experienced unexpected growth by focusing on grace, giving permission for low engagement, and letting ministry initiatives emerge from the congregation rather than clergy.

This conversation unpacks David's concept of "low anthropology"—a realistic view of human limitations that opens the door to greater compassion—and explores how churches can offer genuine relief in a worn-out world. Whether you're facing ministry burnout or seeking to create a community where people feel truly seen and welcomed, this episode provides both theological depth and practical wisdom for shifting from fixing to listening and from performing to receiving grace.

Setting the Sails to God's Spirit: A Father and Son's Journey in Church Leadership

Tue, 15 Apr 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Mike and Danny Housholder from Lutheran Church of Hope in Iowa share their journey in multi-site church ministry spanning several communities across Iowa. At the heart of their approach is a commitment to "set the sails of this church to the wind of God's Spirit" rather than simply doing church for God. They explain how their guiding principle—"Jesus is life, the rest is details"—provides both foundation and flexibility across diverse contexts.

This conversation explores their distinctive approach to discipleship that emphasizes belonging before achieving, their practical methods for identifying and developing leaders, and how they maintain a consistent vision while allowing each campus to develop its own personality. Church leaders will find valuable insights for navigating change while remaining centered on mission.

Holy Week: Slowing Down the Journey

Thu, 10 Apr 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Holy Week marks the most pivotal moments in the Christian faith, but how often do we rush to get to Easter morning? In this thoughtful 7-minute reflection, Terri invites listeners to slow down and experience the complete journey.

Drawing from personal experiences of bringing her young children to Good Friday services, Terri illustrates how encountering the darkness and solemnity of Christ's death creates a deeper appreciation for Easter's resurrection joy. She explores how each moment of Holy Week—from Palm Sunday's "Hosannas" to the confusion of the Last Supper to the waiting of Holy Saturday—enriches our faith journey.

Terri reminds us that Jesus brought a countercultural message of unconditional love to a world focused on who's in and who's out—a message that continues to challenge and transform us today. This brief but meaningful episode offers listeners permission to sit with difficult questions and emotions, knowing that Easter's promise awaits.

Perfect for personal reflection or sharing with your congregation as Holy Week approaches.

Stop Fixing Everything: Rediscover Your Church's Purpose

Thu, 03 Apr 2025 05:00:00 -0400

In this quarterly Q&A episode, our hosts tackle one of the most common struggles church leaders face: knowing what to focus on when everything seems important.

Listen as they explore why many churches describe themselves by their programs rather than their theological identity, and how this leads to burnout and confusion. You'll discover practical exercises to help your congregation reconnect with its unique story and calling.

Key insights include recognizing the warning signs of identity confusion, using your church's history to uncover God's ongoing work, and embracing the freedom that comes from focused calling rather than trying to solve every problem.

You Don't Have to Do Youth Ministry Alone: The Freedom of Church Collaboration

Thu, 27 Mar 2025 01:00:00 -0400

In this episode of the Pivot Podcast, hosts Katie Langston and Dwight Zscheile explore how collaborative youth ministry is revolutionizing the way churches engage with young people in Boise, Idaho. Pastors Bob Lewis and Mariah Mills share their journey of creating a confirmation co-op across four congregations, demonstrating how church partnerships can create vibrant faith experiences while sharing resources and responsibilities. Learn why "letting go of the expectation to do it all on your own" might be the most faithful approach to youth ministry today.

This conversation unpacks the practical aspects of collaborative youth ministry—from dividing responsibilities and planning retreats to embracing diversity and building authentic community across congregational lines. Whether you're struggling to maintain youth programs with limited resources or simply looking to enrich your current ministry, Bob and Mariah offer both encouragement and concrete next steps for creating collaborative ministry models that truly serve today's young people.

Tending the Garden of Faith: Christian Mysticism for a Disenchanted Age

Thu, 20 Mar 2025 05:30:00 -0400

Dr. Jennifer Wojciechowski joins the Pivot Podcast to explore how Christian mysticism offers profound wisdom for today's spiritual seekers. In her new book "Tending the Garden," Jennie examines how mystical traditions can help modern believers cultivate deeper relationships with God through practices like Lectio Divina, the Jesus Prayer, and the Ignatian Examen. The conversation reveals how Christian mysticism reorients us toward relationship with God rather than religious tasks, providing a compelling alternative for those seeking authentic spiritual experiences.

Together, they discuss the balance between mystical experiences and church structures, with Jennie noting that "Christian mysticism benefits from institutional oversight" while encouraging churches to "embrace that God isn't always going to act in the ways we want." Listeners will discover how reading the mystics themselves can provide surprising encouragement, as these spiritual giants struggled with many of the same challenges we face today while maintaining a transformative connection with God.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Tending the Garden: A History of Christian Mysticism by Jennifer Hornyak Wojciechowski https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/tending-the-garden-jennifer-hornyak-wojciechowski/1146105935

Planting in Jesus’s Way: Leading as Apprentices

Thu, 13 Mar 2025 01:00:00 -0400

In this episode of the Pivot Podcast, the Rev. Dr. Christian Selvaratnam shares how he caught the church planting vision and has spent 25 years developing innovative models for training church planters and traditional pastors alike.

As Dean of Church Planting at St. Hild Theological College in England, Christian explains the power of the medieval apprenticeship approach to leadership development. Learn how "leading from the middle" can activate more people in ministry and create a "mixed ecology" of both new and revitalized churches. Whether you're contemplating starting something new or breathing fresh life into an established congregation, this conversation offers practical wisdom for the journey.

Learn more about Christian and his work at https://sthild.org/christian-selvaratnam.

Check out "How the Inherited and Innovative Church Work Together" with Jorge Acevedo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs2rt4_czHk to continue your journey with the Pivot Podcast.

“God Is Running the Universe, Not Me”: A Lenten Reality Check

Thu, 06 Mar 2025 01:00:00 -0400

What is the true meaning of the Lenten season for today's church leaders? In this reflective episode, the Rev. Blair Pogue explores how traditional Lenten practices can help ministry leaders navigate extreme polarization, institutional suspicion, and personal burnout. Discover how remembering your baptismal identity and spending time in Jesus' loving presence can transform your leadership approach from anxious fixing to faithful discernment.

The Lenten season meaning goes beyond giving things up—it's about returning to the core of our faith. Through beautiful reflections on the R.S. Thomas poem "The Bright Field" and the story of Moses at the burning bush, this episode invites leaders to turn aside to discover the "pearl of great price" that awaits in God's presence. Learn practical spiritual practices that will help you become "a watered garden, a repair of the breach, a restorer of streets to live in" during this sacred season.

How Coffee and Laundry Transformed a Congregation

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 01:00:00 -0400

Many churches struggle with creating meaningful church community service initiatives that authentically connect with neighbors. In this episode, Nancy Dyson from St. John's Episcopal Church in St. Cloud, Minnesota shares how a simple cup of coffee led to "Laundry Love" - a thriving ministry serving 80-100 people monthly at a local laundromat. Nancy reveals how showing up consistently, listening deeply, and allowing ministry to emerge organically transformed both her congregation and their community relationships.

Discover a refreshing approach to church community service that prioritizes presence over programs and relationships over results. Nancy offers practical wisdom for congregations wanting to move beyond their walls: start with no agenda, embrace the "beautifully messy" nature of neighborhood engagement, and remain open to how the Holy Spirit might surprise you. Whether your church is large or small, rural or urban, this conversation offers inspiration and practical steps for connecting with neighbors in meaningful ways.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Laundry Love: https://laundrylove.org/

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Is Your Church Too Tame? Embracing the Wild Spirit

Thu, 20 Feb 2025 07:00:00 -0400

What if our instinct to manage and control church life is actually holding us back from authentic community building? In this episode of the Pivot Podcast, Steve Aisthorpe, author of "Rewilding the Church," shares how the ecological concept of rewilding offers fresh insights for church renewal. Drawing from his research on changing patterns of Christian community and his years of experience in ministry, Steve explains how letting go of over-management and embracing spiritual discernment can transform congregational life.

Through practical examples and compelling metaphors, Steve demonstrates how church community building can emerge organically when we focus less on fixing problems and more on discerning God's activity. He offers guidance for leaders wanting to shift from institutional problem-solving to spiritual listening, shares stories of churches embracing this approach, and discusses his current work establishing a retreat center on an ancient Celtic Christian site in Scotland. This conversation provides both inspiration and practical steps for leaders ready to embrace a more natural, Spirit-led approach to church development.

Resources Mentioned:

“Rewilding the Church” by Steve Aisthorpe
“The Invisible Church” by Steve Aisthorpe
“Images of Church in the New Testament” by Paul Minear
Kilmalieu Retreat Center

The $0 Ministry Experiment that Reached Hundreds of New People

Thu, 13 Feb 2025 07:00:00 -0400

Is your church struggling to connect with neighbors beyond your walls? In this episode, Rev. Canon Dave Male, Co-Director of Vision and Strategy for the Church of England, shares how churches can move from program-driven outreach to relationship-based ministry. Through his extensive work with fresh expressions of church, Dave reveals why some of the most effective new forms of ministry are also the simplest – often starting with nothing more than a meal and conversation. Learn how one burned-out church planter discovered a simpler, more sustainable approach that grew to 30 groups in three years.

Dave offers practical insights on empowering lay leaders, balancing traditional and innovative approaches, and starting new gatherings that cost virtually nothing. He shares specific examples of churches successfully reaching their neighbors through simple, reproducible methods, and provides two key questions every church can use to discern their next steps. Plus, discover why the future of neighborhood ministry might look more like a dinner table than a church program.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

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Wait, Who’s Actually Growing Churches in the West?

Wed, 05 Feb 2025 17:43:00 -0400

What if everything you think you know about how to evangelize is about to change? In this provocative episode, Dr. Harvey Kwiyani, a Malawian missiologist and director of the Center for Global Witness and Human Migration, shares how African Christians are successfully reaching secular Western societies in ways that traditional Western churches haven't. Drawing from his experience across Africa, Europe, and North America, Dr. Kwiyani reveals why young people in the UK now associate Christianity more with African and Asian believers than with traditional Western churches, and how African approaches to prayer and spiritual transformation are bringing new life to Western Christianity.

From his childhood village where David Livingstone established the first British mission station in Central Africa, to his current work helping release the missional potential of African Christians in the West, Dr. Kwiyani offers fresh insights into what evangelism can look like in a post-colonial world. He challenges us to move beyond outdated patterns of mission while sharing inspiring stories of how African churches are growing rapidly in the midst of secular society. For clergy uncomfortable with evangelism's colonial past but sensing there must be a better way forward, this conversation offers hope and practical wisdom for the future of the church.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

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Is Your Preaching Actually Reaching People?

Wed, 29 Jan 2025 14:56:00 -0400

Most preachers spend hours on sermon preparation - studying scripture, crafting illustrations, and polishing delivery. But research shows there's a crucial step that's often missing: creating intentional spaces to hear what our congregations are actually receiving from our preaching. In this episode, Dr. Dee Stokes and Rev. Dr. Adam White share insights from their groundbreaking "And How Will They Hear?" initiative at Luther Seminary, revealing how systematic listening transforms both preaching and congregational engagement.

Through their work with diverse cohorts of preachers, they've discovered that the most compelling sermons aren't necessarily the most polished - they're the ones where preachers have learned to listen deeply to both God and their congregations. Learn practical tools for gathering meaningful feedback, understand why vulnerability matters more than ever in preaching, and discover how shifting from evaluation to understanding can deepen your sermon's impact. Plus, hear why reimagining God's agency in preaching might be the key to unlocking more powerful proclamation.

Resources Mentioned:

“Sermon-Proof” blog post by Walter Brueggemann: https://churchanew.org/brueggemann/sermon-proof

Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/K06Vk2ykOMM.

Beyond Church-Centric Ministry: Anchor Church's mission to make a great city

Thu, 23 Jan 2025 11:00:00 -0400

What does it truly mean to be a missional church in post-Christian America? Bryan Halferty, lead pastor of Anchor Church in Tacoma, Washington, discovered that it starts with a fundamental shift - from trying to fix problems to listening for where God is already at work. Through his unlikely combination of skateboarding and church planting, Bryan shares how embracing "failing forward" opened new paths for mission in one of America's most secular regions. From their innovative approach of being both "harbor" and "base" to their commitment to integrate justice and mercy into every ministry area, Anchor Church offers fresh insights for church leaders seeking to join God's mission in their communities.

In this episode, Bryan unpacks how Anchor grew from a single church plant to three distinct congregations in six years, each contextualized to its neighborhood while maintaining unity in mission. He explains why they recently paused church planting to deepen their missional impact, and shares practical strategies for weaving justice and mercy into church DNA. Whether you're planting a church, revitalizing a congregation, or seeking fresh vision for ministry, this conversation offers both encouragement and practical wisdom for moving from "fixing mode" to Spirit-led mission.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Anchor Church: https://anchortacoma.org/central
Bryan’s website: https://www.bryanhalferty.com/
Bryan's book, Terrible Beauty.
Video: What learning looks like (clean): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QSocgE3yFY

MLK's Beloved Community: Your Church's Guide Through Divided Times

Thu, 16 Jan 2025 11:00:00 -0400

As we approach both Martin Luther King Jr. Day and Inauguration Day 2025, many church leaders are wrestling with how to offer hope while addressing the deep divisions in our communities. In this timely conversation, Rev. Dr. F. Willis Johnson, Senior Pastor of Christ United Methodist Church and author of "Holding Up Your Corner," returns to the Pivot Podcast to explore how Dr. King's vision of beloved community can shape our path forward through these challenging times.

Drawing on both pastoral experience and scholarly insight, Dr. Johnson offers practical wisdom for maintaining prophetic witness while avoiding partisan entanglement, creating brave spaces for difficult conversations, and connecting personal spiritual formation with social transformation. Rather than seeking quick fixes, he challenges church leaders to ground their justice work in deep spiritual practices and to reclaim the radical hospitality modeled in their own faith traditions. This episode provides essential guidance for leaders seeking to foster healing and courage in an anxious time.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Watch the video version on YouTube at https://youtu.be/9v2Oan-Xids.

What If Sermon Prep Could Transform Your Spiritual Life?

Thu, 09 Jan 2025 11:00:00 -0400

Struggling with how to write a sermon that connects with your congregation while maintaining your own spiritual well-being? Rev. Dr. Lisa Cressman, founder of Backstory Preaching, reveals a transformative approach that moves beyond traditional sermon preparation methods. From her middle-of-the-night divine inspiration that launched Backstory Preaching to serving preachers worldwide, Lisa shares how combining spiritual direction with preaching craft can revolutionize your sermon writing process.

Learn practical steps for how to write a sermon that flows from your own spiritual formation, bringing authenticity and depth to your preaching. Lisa explains why "preaching is your life; your life is preaching" and offers insights for creating sermons that resonate with real-life experiences. Whether you're an experienced preacher or just learning how to write your first sermon, this conversation provides fresh perspectives on crafting messages that transform both preacher and congregation.

Learn more about Lisa and her work at backstorypreaching.com

Watch this episode on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJruG-5Dj5Y

Ministry Education in Crisis? Why Seminary Leaders Are Actually Hopeful

Thu, 02 Jan 2025 11:00:00 -0400

The landscape of ministry education is undergoing dramatic change. Traditional seminary enrollment is declining, fewer churches can afford full-time pastors, and leaders are questioning how to adapt. But in this insightful conversation with Luther Seminary President the Rev. Dr. Robin Steinke, we discover how these challenges are opening up exciting new possibilities for forming Christian leaders. From reaching 8 million people through digital platforms to reimagining formation through communities of practice, Dr. Steinke shares how theological education is evolving to meet the needs of today's church.

Using vivid metaphors like "water skiing and scuba diving," Dr. Steinke explores how ministry education can serve both those who need an introduction to faith and those diving deep into theological study. She challenges us to move beyond quick fixes to listen deeply for where God is leading, while sharing concrete examples of how Luther Seminary is embracing both traditional and innovative approaches to forming leaders for Christian communities. This conversation offers hope and practical insights for anyone interested in the future of ministry education and leadership formation.

Resources Mentioned:

A History of Luther Seminary: 1869 to 2019 by Mark Granquist (Fortress Press, 2019)
https://faithlead.org/
https://www.workingpreacher.org/
https://enterthebible.org/
https://www.luthersem.edu/godpause/

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Advent Hope: A Gift We Receive with Rolf Jacobson

Thu, 19 Dec 2024 11:00:00 -0400

"Oh, that you would tear open the heavens and come down!"

This cry from Isaiah 64 expresses humanity's deep longing for hope. In this special Advent reflection, Professor Rolf Jacobson of Luther Seminary takes us on an unexpected journey from an 18th-century Hasidic tale to the prophet Isaiah's fierce prayer, revealing how true hope comes not from our own efforts, but from God's faithful promises.

Through engaging storytelling and biblical insight, Rolf shows us that hope isn't about what we deserve or create within ourselves—it's about recognizing God's Spirit already at work in our neighborhoods, bringing about God's preferred future. His message offers a fresh perspective on Advent hope that speaks directly to our current moment.

Watch this episode on YouTube at https://youtu.be/Vo5BNwFUqJc.

When Church Change Feels Hard: Your Questions Answered

Thu, 12 Dec 2024 11:00:00 -0400

"I lost five council members when I tried to make changes."

This candid admission from a church leader captures the real challenges of leading congregations today. In this special Q&A episode, hosts Alicia Granholm, Dwight Zscheile, and Terri Elton tackle your most pressing questions about church leadership and change.

Drawing from questions submitted by listeners in the field, our hosts explore how to build motivation for change, ways to discern God's will as a community, practical approaches to neighborhood ministry for commuter churches, and strategies for building trust while leading through lament. Whether you're facing council resistance or seeking to guide your congregation into God's future, this episode offers both practical wisdom and spiritual encouragement for the journey. Featuring insights on the "five whys" exercise, storytelling practices for building trust, and scripture-based approaches to discernment from Acts 16.

Resources Mentioned:

“Grounded in God: Listening Hearts Discernment for Group Deliberations” Morehouse Publishing, 1996) by Suzanne G. Farnham et al.
“Pursuing God’s Will Together” by Ruth Haley Barton, D.D.
Acts 16 passage on discernment

Episode 106: Beer Church and Beyond Creating Spiritual Community in Breweries, Parks, and Public Spaces with promo

Thu, 05 Dec 2024 11:00:00 -0400

What does church look like when it moves from traditional sanctuaries to breweries, hiking trails, and pizza shops? In this episode, Bryan Willkom, founder of Jesus Fit, shares how Beer Church and other innovative gatherings are creating authentic spiritual community in everyday spaces. From monthly Beer Church gatherings where diverse groups share stories around brewery tables, to Trail Church walks that combine movement with meditation, Bryan is pioneering fresh expressions of church that meet people exactly where they are.

Beer Church isn't just about the location—it's about reimagining how we build spiritual community. Bryan shares why public spaces create natural opportunities for spiritual conversation, how to create judgment-free zones for faith exploration, and practical ways to practice Jesus' habits of hospitality and table fellowship in modern contexts. Whether you're looking to start alternative forms of church or simply want to better understand how to reach those who feel disconnected from traditional religious spaces, this conversation offers valuable insights into the future of spiritual community.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

"The Five Dysfunctions of a Team" (Jossey-Bass, 2022) by Patrick Lencioni
"Liturgy of the Ordinary" (InterVarsity Press, 2022) by Tish Harrison Warren
Gallup poll on religion and wellbeing (2022)
The official Jesus Fit website.

Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/ZWPKmXU7Pr.

Episode 105: Reclaiming Advent - Simple Church Activities for Sacred Presence

Tue, 26 Nov 2024 11:00:00 -0400

Tired of endless church Advent activities that leave everyone exhausted? In this episode, the Rev. Dr. Steve Thomason shares a revolutionary approach to the Advent season—one that subtracts rather than adds. As both an artist and theologian, Steve offers practical wisdom for church leaders seeking to create meaningful spiritual experiences without overwhelming their congregations. Learn how simple practices like communal meals, guided meditation, and contemplative art can transform your church's approach to Advent.

Rather than adding more programming, discover how your congregation can embrace the counter-cultural gift of stillness and sacred presence. From historic traditions of the northern church to modern applications in busy congregations, this episode provides concrete tools for reimagining church Advent activities. Plus, don't miss details about a free 4-day Advent Challenge that combines art and contemplation to help your congregation slow down and listen for God's whisper.

Episode 104: Can the West Be Converted?

Thu, 21 Nov 2024 11:00:00 -0400

American pastors want things fast, large, and famous... but the kingdom of God comes slowly, in small and mostly unrecognized ways." In this paradigm-shifting conversation, Dr. Michael W. Goheen challenges our deeply held assumptions about church growth and success. Through the story of a remarkable turnaround in a dying congregation, Goheen demonstrates what happens when a church stops chasing quick fixes and begins to question its cultural captivity to growth metrics.

Join hosts Dwight Zscheile and Terri Elton as they explore with Goheen how Western cultural idolatries shape our approach to church leadership, what we can learn from Lesslie Newbigin's missionary insights, and how ordinary church practices can be reoriented toward authentic renewal. Whether you're leading a growing congregation or struggling with decline, this episode will help you discern the difference between cultural definitions of success and genuine participation in God's mission.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

"Foolishness to the Greeks" by Lesslie Newbigin
"The Gospel in a Pluralist Society" by Lesslie Newbigin
"The Church and Its Vocation" by Michael Goheen
"Becoming a Missionary Church" by Michael Goheen
"The Imperfect Pastor" by Zack Eswine
Dr. Goheen's website with free resources https://missionworldview.com/

Episode 103: Church Community Building: How a Café Created a Church

Thu, 14 Nov 2024 11:00:00 -0400

How do you build authentic church community from scratch? In this inspiring episode of the Pivot Podcast, pioneer lay minister Fiona Mayne shares her remarkable journey from financial advisor to church planter, demonstrating how simple, organic steps can create a thriving Christian community. Fiona reveals practical strategies for church community building that anyone can implement—starting with nothing more than a willingness to listen and engage. From hosting community barbecues to creating welcoming café-style gatherings, her approach shows how authentic relationships and community ownership can lead to sustainable church growth.

Discover actionable insights for church community building, including how to create natural entry points for non-church people, ways to empower community members in shaping church culture, and strategies for developing inclusive, intergenerational ministry. Fiona's story challenges traditional church planting models, showing how letting go of control and truly listening to community needs can lead to vibrant, growing faith communities. Whether you're starting from scratch or looking to revitalize existing ministry, this episode offers practical wisdom for building church community that genuinely connects with today's world.

Resources Mentioned:

The Heart of a Holligan: The Story of David Jeal by Paul Alkazraji
The Chosen series
Church Mission Society Pioneer training

Watch the video version on YouTube at https://youtu.be/4NlZB4pSY1I.

Episode 102: Political Theology Reimagined: Dr. Joel Lawrence on “Sabbath Politics” in a Polarized World

Thu, 07 Nov 2024 11:00:00 -0400

In this thought-provoking episode of the Pivot Podcast, Dr. Joel Lawrence, president of the Center for Pastor Theologians, offers a fresh perspective on political theology and how churches can navigate our politically polarized landscape. Introducing the concept of "Sabbath politics," Dr. Lawrence challenges us to reimagine the church's role in society, shifting from a posture of control to one of trust in God's rule.

Drawing insights from his study of Dietrich Bonhoeffer and the early chapters of Genesis, Dr. Lawrence provides practical guidance for church leaders seeking to apply political theology in fostering unity and faithful discipleship in divisive times. This episode is essential listening for anyone grappling with the intersection of faith, politics, and ecclesial identity in today's world.

Resources Mentioned:

Center for Pastor Theologians
Dietrich Bonhoeffer's works, particularly "Discipleship" and "Life Together"
James Davison Hunter's book "Democracy and Solidarity"

Episode 101: Reformation Day Wisdom for the 21st Century Church

Thu, 31 Oct 2024 10:00:00 -0400

This Reformation Day, join hosts Dwight Zscheile and Terri Elton for a transformative conversation with the Rev. Dr. Mark Tranvik, professor of Reformation history and theology at Luther Seminary. Explore how Martin Luther's revolutionary insights from the Protestant Reformation can breathe new life into 21st-century ministry and address the challenges facing today's church.

Dr. Tranvik unpacks key Reformation concepts like grace, vocation, and Christian freedom, revealing their surprising relevance for contemporary issues such as leadership burnout, rigid church structures, and the shift towards lay-led ministry. Discover how reclaiming Luther's emphasis on the "priesthood of all believers" can empower your congregation to live out their faith in fresh, meaningful ways this Reformation Day and beyond.

YouTube Video URL: https://youtu.be/QoOw2TX09mo.

Episode 100: Church Planting Reimagined: Nick Warnes on Discernment, Adaptability, and Inclusive Leadership

Thu, 24 Oct 2024 10:00:00 -0400

In this episode of the Pivot Podcast, we dive deep into the world of church planting with Nick Warnes, founder and executive director of Cyclical Incorporated. Nick shares his expertise on developing leaders for new Christian communities, challenging traditional notions of what it means to start a church. From discernment processes to financial sustainability, from adapting to diverse contexts to embracing a truly missional approach, this conversation is packed with practical wisdom for anyone interested in the future of the church.

Whether you're considering planting a church, supporting church planters, or simply curious about innovative approaches to ministry, Nick's insights will inspire you to think differently about how we can participate in God's ongoing work in the world. Join us for a thought-provoking discussion that reimagines church planting for the 21st century.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/w74h69LNOpA.

Episode 99: The Future of Church Planting: Innovating for God's Mission with Len Tang

Thu, 17 Oct 2024 10:00:00 -0400

Dive into the evolving world of church planting with expert Len Tang in this transformative episode of the Pivot Podcast. Len, director of the Fuller Church Planting Initiative, unpacks the latest trends and strategies in church planting that are reshaping how we approach ministry in the 21st century.

Discover why church planting is more crucial than ever and how it serves as the R&D wing of the church. Len shares insights on:

Diverse models of church planting for different contexts
The rise of co-vocational ministry and its impact on church planting
Innovative funding strategies for sustainable church plants
How established churches can support and learn from new plants
The importance of leading with mission in denominational church planting efforts

Whether you're a seasoned pastor, a potential church planter, or a lay leader passionate about church growth, this episode offers fresh perspectives and practical wisdom for advancing God's mission in today's rapidly changing world.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Fuller Church Planting Initiative: https://www.fuller.edu/church-planting/
Planter Match website: https://plantermatch.org/
Book: "Closing Costs: Reimagining Church Real Estate for Missional Purposes" by Dominic Dutra https://www.amazon.com/Closing-Costs-Reimagining-Missional-Purposes/dp/1666711683
Exponential Conference: https://exponential.org/
City to City church planting network: https://redeemercitytocity.com/

Episode 98: Reimagining Contemplative Practices for Modern Life: From Wall Street to Renewal

Thu, 10 Oct 2024 10:00:00 -0400

In this enlightening episode of the Pivot Podcast, Westina Matthews, a spiritual director with a background in Wall Street, challenges our understanding of contemplative practices. Hosts Dwight Shiley and Alicia Granholm explore Westina's unique journey and her innovative approach to integrating contemplative living into our fast-paced world.

Westina offers a fresh perspective on contemplative practices, expanding beyond traditional methods to include diverse activities that foster spiritual connection. She provides practical advice for incorporating these practices into daily life, addressing collective grief, and nurturing hope in challenging times. This episode is essential listening for anyone seeking to deepen their spiritual journey and create more resilient, faith-filled communities through the power of contemplative practices.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

"Soul Food: Nourishing Essays on Contemplative Living and Leadership" by Dr. Westina Matthews (ed.)
"This Band of Sisterhood: Black Women Bishops on Race, Faith, and the Church" by Dr. Westina Matthews
"Dancing from the Inside Out: Grace-Filled Reflections on Growing Older" by Dr. Westina Matthews

YouTube Video URL: https://youtu.be/TxoptR85htk.

Episode 97: Innovative Church Fundraising Ideas: Transforming Spaces into Sustainable Income

Thu, 03 Oct 2024 10:00:00 -0400

Explore innovative church fundraising ideas in this inspiring episode of the Pivot Podcast. Hosts Dwight Zscheile and Terri Elton sit down with Grace Pomroy, director of the Stewardship Leaders Program at Luther Seminary and author of "Funding Forward," and Pastor Christina Ennin from First Presbyterian Church in Gulf Shores, Alabama. Discover how churches can transform underutilized assets into sustainable income sources while deepening community connections.

Grace and Christina share practical insights on aligning church finances with mission, fostering community partnerships, and navigating the challenges of implementing new fundraising strategies. From business centers to ecumenical collaborations, learn how churches are pivoting towards financial sustainability that serves both their congregations and their broader communities. Whether you're struggling with church finances or looking to diversify your income streams, this episode offers creative solutions and inspiring examples for churches of all sizes.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Episode 96: Missional Leadership Reimagined: JR Woodward’s Four Spaces of Belonging

Thu, 26 Sep 2024 10:00:00 -0400

Discover a revolutionary approach to church leadership with Dr. JR Woodward in this eye-opening episode of the Pivot Podcast. Author of "The Scandal of Leadership," Woodward unpacks the crisis of discipleship facing the church today and offers practical solutions for creating a culture of authentic spiritual growth.

Learn about the four spaces of belonging, understand the hidden powers influencing church leadership, and gain insights on how to lead your congregation into a more faithful future. Whether you're a seasoned pastor or a new church planter, this episode will challenge and inspire you to reimagine leadership in the way of Jesus.

Don't miss this opportunity to transform your approach to ministry and discipleship. Like, subscribe, and share to join the conversation on pivoting towards a more vibrant and missional church.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

J.R. Woodward website
"The Scandal of Leadership" by J.R. Woodward
The V3 Church Planting Movement
"The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill" podcast on Christianity Today

Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/iVPBCZ63ixs

Episode 95: Fresh Expressions of Church and the Mixed Ecology

Thu, 19 Sep 2024 10:00:00 -0400

In this groundbreaking episode of the Pivot podcast, we turn the tables on our regular host, the Rev. Dr. Dwight Zscheile, to explore the revolutionary concept of Fresh Expressions of Church. Dwight, co-author of the forthcoming book "Embracing the Mixed Ecology," offers an exclusive preview of his research on innovative approaches to ministry in our rapidly changing world.

Discover how Fresh Expressions are breathing new life into the church landscape as part of a broader "mixed ecology" of ministry. From coffee shop gatherings to digital communities, learn how these innovative forms of church are reaching people that traditional models often miss. Dwight shares inspiring examples, practical insights, and a hopeful vision for the future of the church that embraces both tradition and innovation.

Whether you're leading a traditional congregation, exploring new forms of ministry, or simply curious about where the church is heading, this episode is packed with valuable insights you won't want to miss. Join us for a conversation that could reshape your understanding of what it means to be and do church in the 21st century.

Discover how Fresh Expressions of Church are transforming the landscape of ministry in this eye-opening episode of the Pivot podcast. Rev. Dr. Dwight Zscheile, co-author of the upcoming book "Embracing the Mixed Ecology," shares groundbreaking insights on innovative approaches to church in our rapidly changing world. Learn about the "mixed ecology" model and how Fresh Expressions are reaching people traditional churches often miss. Whether you're a church leader, ministry innovator, or simply curious about the future of faith communities, this episode offers valuable insights and inspiration for navigating the changing face of church in the 21st century.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Episode 94: Fresh Expressions of Church: Exploring Churros, Chocolate, and Christ

Thu, 12 Sep 2024 10:00:00 -0400

Fresh Expressions are revolutionizing how we think about and do church in the 21st century. In this compelling episode of the Pivot Podcast, hosts Rev. Drs. Dwight Zscheile and Terri Elton welcome the Rev. Dr. Eliseo Mejia, a pioneering voice in the Fresh Expressions movement and director of Expressiones Divinas for Fresh Expressions North America.

Eliseo unpacks the concept of Fresh Expressions, sharing inspiring examples like "Churros y Chocolate" gatherings and dinner churches that are reaching people where they are. Discover how these innovative approaches are creating culturally-relevant, intergenerational faith communities that thrive outside traditional church walls. Whether you're new to Fresh Expressions or looking to deepen your understanding, this episode offers practical insights and a hope-filled vision for implementing Fresh Expressions in your own context. Join us as we explore the future of the Church through the lens of Fresh Expressions.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Fresh Expressions North America: https://freshexpressionsus.org/
Expressiones Divinas: https://freshexpressionsus.org/expressiones-divinas/
Feed My Starving Children: https://www.fmsc.org/
Faith+Lead Fresh Expressions course https://faithlead.org/course-lp/starting-a-fresh-expression-of-church/

Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/dLFa-xbfiLQ

Episode 93: Beyond Church Growth Strategies: Is Innovation a Helpful Category for the Church? Part 2

Thu, 05 Sep 2024 10:00:00 -0400

In this compelling follow-up episode, the Pivot Podcast dives deeper into the heart of church leadership and innovation. Dr. Andy Root, Dr. Michael Binder, and Dr. Dwight Zscheile challenge prevailing notions about church growth and effectiveness, proposing a radical shift in approach. Could the key to revitalizing ministry be found in doing less, waiting on God, and embracing uncertainty?

Explore why slowing down might be the most innovative step a church can take, how to redefine growth beyond numbers, and what it means to cultivate the courage to ask difficult questions about God's activity. This conversation offers hope and practical wisdom for leaders feeling burnt out or discouraged, inviting them to rediscover the heart of authentic, Christ-centered ministry in a rapidly changing world.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

"The Congregation in a Secular Age," by Andrew Root | https://www.andrewroot.org/the-congregation-in-a-secular-age/
Find more about Andrew Root's book, "The Church after Innovation" | https://www.andrewroot.org/the-church-after-innovation/
"Leading Faithful Innovation" by Michael Binder, Dwight Zscheile, and Tessa Pinkstaff | https://www.fortresspress.com/store/product/9781506488769/Leading-Faithful-Innovation
"Four Key Pivots the Church Must Make" | https://faithlead.org/about/framework/four-key-pivots/
"The Rise and Fall of American Growth," by Robert J. Gordon | https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691175805/the-rise-and-fall-of-american-growth
Download: Free sample chapter of Leading Faithful Innovation | https://faithlead.org/topics/faithful-innovation/

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Episode 92: Innovation: Hype or Hope (1 of 2)

Thu, 29 Aug 2024 10:00:00 -0400

Are conventional church growth strategies falling short in today's changing religious landscape? In this episode (first in a two-part discussion), we dive deep into the concept of "innovation" in church contexts, exploring whether it's a helpful framework for ministry or a potential distraction from our core mission.

Dr. Andrew Root offers a critical perspective on adopting business-world trends, while the Rev Dr. Michael Binder and the Rev. Dr. Dwight Zscheile present a case for "faithful innovation." Their spirited conversation reveals both cautions and possibilities for churches seeking to thrive beyond traditional growth metrics.

Discover insights on:

The limitations of conventional church growth strategies
Balancing faithfulness with adaptation in changing times
Practices for deep listening and discernment in congregations
Measuring ministry effectiveness beyond numbers
Embracing uncertainty while remaining grounded in gospel truths

Whether you're rethinking your church's approach to growth or seeking fresh perspectives on faithful ministry, this episode offers valuable insights for navigating the complexities of church leadership in the 21st century.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Book: "The Church After Innovation" by Andrew Root
Book: "Leading Faithful Innovation" by Michael Binder, Dwight Zscheile, and Tessa Pinkstaff
Download: Spiritual Life Listening Tool
Download: Free sample chapter of Leading Faithful Innovation

Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/8rKGLGi9jC0

Episode 91: Fruit of Evangelism

Thu, 22 Aug 2024 11:00:00 -0400

In episode 91 of the Pivot podcast, hosts Dr. Terri Elton and Dr. Dwight Zscheile talk with the Rev. Canon Dave Male, a pioneering leader in innovative ministry across the UK. They explore the vital task of forming disciples in today's rapidly changing culture and how we can bear faithful witness to the gospel. Dave shares his journey in establishing Fresh Expressions of church within the Church of England, discussing the challenges and opportunities of working within traditional church structures. He highlights the importance of embracing a mixed ecology of church, where both traditional and emerging forms of Christian community coexist and flourish. The conversation also delves into the need to create a culture of innovation and experimentation within local churches, with a focus on evangelism and discipleship as central to the mission of the church.

Watch this episode on YouTube at https://youtu.be/odg0C8QAaoY

Episode 90: Faith and Justice: Lessons from Ferguson with Rev. F. Willis Johnson

Thu, 15 Aug 2024 10:00:00 -0400

In this compelling episode of the Pivot Podcast, hosts Dwight Zscheile and Terri Elton welcome the Rev. F. Willis Johnson, who shares his experiences leading a church in Ferguson, Missouri during times of racial unrest. Willis offers a practical guide on how churches can actively engage in justice work, emphasizing the importance of self-reflection, local relevance, and concrete action. Listeners will discover how to "hold up their corner" in community transformation and why new expressions of faith are crucial in addressing today's social challenges.

Willis challenges church leaders to move beyond their comfort zones, embracing curiosity and openness in engaging with diverse communities. He provides insights on reimagining church for the 21st century, where faith and justice are inextricably linked. This episode is essential listening for church leaders, social justice advocates, and anyone seeking to understand how faith communities can effectively contribute to creating a more just and equitable society. Tune in for a conversation that will inspire you to put your faith into action in meaningful, community-centered ways.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Holding Up Your Corner: talking about Race in Your Community by author F. Willis Johnson

Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/08M6DKzDWXk

Episode 89: Faith and Politics: How to Lead with Wisdom

Thu, 08 Aug 2024 10:00:00 -0400

In this timely episode of the Pivot Podcast, hosts Dr. Alicia Granholm and the Rev. Dr. Dwight Zscheile tackle the challenging intersection of faith and politics with the Rev. Dr. Anthony Bateza, a Luther scholar and expert in Christian ethics. As the United States faces a divisive election season, Anthony offers a grounding historical perspective and practical wisdom for church leaders navigating these turbulent waters.

Explore how churches can foster meaningful political dialogue without falling into partisan traps. Discover the concept of affective polarization and its impact on congregations. Learn how to use Scripture creatively in addressing current issues and avoid common ethical pitfalls in political engagement. Anthony's insights, rooted in Luther's political theology, provide a roadmap for faithful civic participation that balances conviction with compassion.

Whether you're a pastor, lay leader, or engaged congregant, this episode offers valuable guidance on living out your faith in the public square. Join us for a conversation that will challenge and inspire you to approach politics with both biblical wisdom and neighborly love.

SHOW NOTES:

Rev. Dr. Anthony Bateza's Faith+Lead Academy course, Positions: Thinking Theologically About Politics
The Alban Institute at Duke Divinity School
Anthony Bateza’s page: https://www.stolaf.edu/profile/bateza
Luther’s “The Freedom of a Christian”

Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/gIy0-ftac8o

Episode 88: Preventing Pastoral Burnout: Insights and Strategies from Rev. Nicole Bullock

Thu, 01 Aug 2024 11:00:00 -0400

Pastoral burnout is a silent epidemic in church leadership. In this crucial episode of the Pivot Podcast, we sit down with Rev. Nicole Bullock, a church planter, ministry innovator, and program director of Faith+Lead’s Seeds Fellowship. Nicole courageously shares her personal struggles with burnout and offers practical wisdom for sustainable ministry.

This episode tackles real challenges facing today's pastors, from setting boundaries without guilt to redefining success in leadership. Nicole discusses balancing family life with pastoral responsibilities, creating supportive church communities, and transitioning to more sustainable ministry models. Whether you're currently experiencing burnout or want to prevent it, this conversation provides essential strategies for maintaining your passion and effectiveness in ministry.

Show Notes:

Faith+Lead Seeds Fellowship
Nicole’s website: https://nicoledbullock.com/

Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/V-dJ_r3wcIY

Episode 87: Unleashing Lay Leadership: Vicki Elfers’ Lay Leadership Success Story

Thu, 25 Jul 2024 10:00:00 -0400

In this compelling episode of the Pivot Podcast, we dive into the emerging importance of lay leadership in today's church. Our guest, Faith+Lead’s School for Lay Ministry alum Vicki Elfers, shares her inspiring journey from behind-the-scenes church secretary to dynamic lay minister, now preaching, leading Bible studies, and even conducting funerals.

Hosts Rev. Dr. Dwight Zscheile and Dr. Alicia Granholm explore how Vicki's story exemplifies a crucial pivot in church leadership—from clergy-led to lay-led, clergy-supported ministry. They discuss practical ways to identify and nurture lay leaders, the impact of leadership training programs, and how embracing lay leadership can breathe new life into congregations.

Whether you're a church leader seeking to empower your congregation or a lay person sensing a call to deeper involvement, this episode offers valuable insights on unleashing the potential of lay leadership for a vibrant, sustainable church future.

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Episode 86: The Practical Discipleship Revolution: Mark Scandrette and the “Jesus Dojo”

Thu, 18 Jul 2024 11:00:00 -0400

In this transformative episode of the Pivot Podcast, internationally recognized spiritual formation expert Mark Scandrette shares his journey of reimagining practical discipleship for the 21st century. Mark introduces the concept of the "Jesus Dojo," a revolutionary approach to hands-on, experiential faith formation. He shares powerful examples of practical experiments in following Jesus, including a radical approach to simplicity and generosity.

Hosts Dr. Alicia Granholm and Rev. Dr. Dwight Zscheile explore with Mark how church leaders can shift from information-based teaching to practical, action-oriented discipleship. Discover how creating vulnerable, experiential spiritual communities can lead to profound personal and collective transformation. Whether you're a church leader looking to revitalize your congregation's spiritual life or an individual seeking a more authentic faith journey, this episode offers inspiring insights and practical steps for pivoting towards a more vibrant, Jesus-centered spirituality through practical discipleship.

Show notes:

Mark Scandrette's book: "The Ninefold Path of Jesus: Hidden Wisdom of the Beatitudes"
Mark's previous book: "Practicing the Way of Jesus"
Reimagine - Mark's Center for Integral Christian practice
Nine Beats Collective - a project exploring the Beatitudes that Mark is involved with

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Episode 85: Is Your Church Ready for Lay-Led Ministry?

Thu, 11 Jul 2024 06:00:00 -0400

In this thought-provoking episode of Pivot, hosts Rev. Dr. Terri Elton, Rev. Dr. Dwight Zscheile, and Dr. Alicia Granholm dive into the shifting landscape of church leadership. They explore the growing trend towards lay-led, clergy-supported ministry models and what this means for both clergy and congregations. Drawing on real-life examples and listener questions, the conversation covers topics such as empowering lay leaders, redefining clergy roles, fostering ecumenical cooperation, and navigating resistance to change.

Listeners will gain valuable insights into how churches can adapt to post-Christendom realities, cultivate collaborative leadership, and reimagine structures for more effective ministry. Whether you're a clergy member, lay leader, or simply interested in the future of the church, this episode offers practical wisdom and inspiration for navigating these changing times with hope and creativity. Join us as we explore what it means to be the church in the 21st century and how we can all play a part in God's ongoing work in the world.

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Episode 84: Building Beloved Community in Challenging Times with Rev. Canon Stephanie Spellers

Tue, 02 Jul 2024 06:00:00 -0400

In this enlightening episode of the Pivot podcast, hosts the Rev. Dr. Terri Elton and the Rev. Dr. Dwight Zscheile explore the concept of beloved community with the Rev. Stephanie Spellers, Canon to the Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church for Evangelism, Reconciliation, and Creation Care. Stephanie shares powerful insights on how churches can foster authentic, loving communities in the face of today's challenges.

Drawing from her own spiritual journey and extensive ministry experience, Stephanie offers fresh perspectives on building beloved community through Jesus-centered discipleship, reimagined evangelism, and integration of reconciliation and creation care. Listeners will gain practical strategies for nurturing small groups, engaging their wider communities, and cultivating spiritual practices that transform lives. This conversation provides inspiration and equipping for church leaders seeking to create vibrant, inclusive communities of faith that embody God's love in our rapidly changing world.

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Episode 83: Discipling the Disillusioned: Christian Authenticity with Yolanda Solomon

Thu, 27 Jun 2024 06:00:00 -0400

Explore the power of Christian authenticity in discipleship with Yolanda Solomon, author of "Discipleship as Holy Collaboration," in this compelling Pivot podcast episode. Yolanda shares her journey from skeptic to passionate disciple-maker, offering insights for church leaders seeking to foster genuine faith in a world craving sincerity.

Discover practical strategies for cultivating authentic Christian living, from reframing discipleship as an invitation to divine delight to creating transparent spiritual communities. Whether you're a pastor battling burnout or a ministry leader striving for genuine impact, you'll find valuable approaches for reimagining discipleship as a collaborative, authentic adventure in faith.

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Episode 82: Biblical Justice: Bridging the Gap Between Scripture and the Streets

Thu, 20 Jun 2024 12:48:00 -0400

In this compelling Pivot podcast episode, pastor, church planter, scholar, and justice advocate Inés Velasquez-McBryde joins hosts Dr. Alicia Granholm and Rev. Dr. Terri Elton to dive deep into the biblical roots of justice. Through eye-opening stories and practical insights, Inés illuminates what biblical justice looks like, from the prophetic voices of the Old Testament to Jesus' own embodiment of God's heart for the marginalized.

Whether you're planting a new church, innovating in your current context, or simply seeking to go deeper in your understanding of biblical justice, this episode offers invaluable wisdom on studying the history of your community, partnering with local leaders, and joining the work God is already doing in your neighborhood. Learn how you can embody biblical justice in your life and leadership, and be empowered to take practical steps towards shalom in your own context.

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Episode 81: Changing Church Culture Through Spiritual Practices

Thu, 13 Jun 2024 06:00:00 -0400

How can church leaders introduce change and new spiritual practices in resistant congregations? In this episode of the Pivot Podcast, Dr. Jinna Jin shares stories, strategies, and encouragement for overwhelmed pastors.

As an experienced church consultant and professor, Jinna discusses why commitment to spiritual practices is essential for discerning God's leading in a rapidly changing culture. She shares how practices like dwelling in the Word slowly transformed leaders in one church, and why the most resistant people are often leaders themselves.

Jinna also explains how pursuing change raises crucial questions of congregational identity and vision. What can churches hold onto, and what might they need to let go of to engage a new generation or neighbors? In the midst of the uncertainty of change, she urges leaders to model God's unchanging peace and tend to their own mental, spiritual and relational health. Her biggest piece of advice for overwhelmed leaders? Find a supportive learning community to journey with.

Full of stories and practical wisdom, this conversation will encourage and equip pastors and lay leaders to faithfully navigate change for the sake of the church's participation in God's mission.

Resources mentioned in this episode: Dwelling in the Word PDF

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Episode 80: The Future is Lay-Led: How Lay Ministry Training is Transforming Churches

Thu, 06 Jun 2024 10:00:00 -0400

In this episode of the Pivot podcast, the Rev. Clara King, an Anglican priest and researcher who has worked extensively with small, rural churches in the Anglican Church of Canada, shares her wisdom and hope for a church that equips and empowers laypeople to step into their God-given callings. Starting with her experience working with congregations on the margins, Clara makes the case that the "edges" of the church are actually the center of innovation and renewal, modeling the shifts that all churches will need to make in the coming years.

Through vivid stories of ordinary laypeople becoming extraordinary leaders, Clara paints a picture of what vibrant, collaborative ministry can look like when clergy and congregations work together to "own their stuff" and embrace a more Spirit-led, adaptive way of being church. Whether you're a clergy leader looking for fresh ways to empower your congregation or a layperson discerning your own call to ministry, this conversation will stretch your imagination and ground you in the hope that God is already at work, inviting us to join in something new.

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Episode 79: Bonhoeffer’s Secret to Faithful Discipleship with Tripp Fuller

Thu, 30 May 2024 13:36:00 -0400

How can the life and theology of Dietrich Bonhoeffer, a German pastor and theologian who resisted the Nazi regime, inspire and challenge church leaders today?

In this episode of the Pivot Podcast, Dwight Zscheile and Katie Langston talk with Tripp Fuller about Bonhoeffer's enduring legacy and its relevance for the church in a polarized and rapidly changing cultural context. They discuss how Bonhoeffer's experiences engaging with different cultures shaped his understanding of the gospel, his emphasis on discipleship and prophetic witness, and the vital role of deep relationships in sustaining faithful Christian community. Tune in for insights on how Bonhoeffer's wisdom can equip church leaders to navigate the challenges of discipleship and leadership today.

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Episode 78: Church Leadership Q&A: Insights and Strategies for Pastoring Today

Thu, 23 May 2024 15:23:00 -0400

All your questions answered in this Q&A session about making space for reflection, leading people who are in conflict during an election year, and the essence of Biblical discipleship.

Questions that listeners asked include:

* Q1: “I always have such good intentions for making the most of the summer to take time to not just be busy doing the ministry, but to be intentional about spending time praying and thinking about my ministry. But then I get super busy. Any suggestions for how I could actually build in some rhythms for taking a wider view of my ministry this summer and follow through with it?”

* Q2: “During 2020 my congregation almost fell apart because of political polarization and it feels like things are going to get really bad again this year. How can I keep my church whole during this election season?”

* Q3: “I hear you all talking a lot about discipleship. I don’t want to burden my people with more stuff when they’re already exhausted.”

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Burned our and Overwhelmed? Why this is more normal than you think: https://youtu.be/F_NuWL_xQg0

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Episode 77: The Displacement of Enchantment

Thu, 16 May 2024 14:50:00 -0400

People are still spiritually curious, passionate, and committed today even while many are leaving traditional churches. Watch this pivot podcast episode with Dr. Dwight Zscheile and Dr. Andy Root to dive deep into the intersection of Christian faith and our secular age.

In today’s pivot podcast episode, we are taking a deeper dive into the transformation or displacement of sacred impulses and rituals onto secular sources during this secular age. Listen to this whole episode to hear what insights Jean Jacques Rousseau, Lesslie Newbigin, and Dietrich Bonhoeffer can provide about how people are engaging in spiritual transformation apart from traditional sacred rituals and spiritual practices. People still want a mystical experience and to be part of a sacred journey. Discover your role as a spiritual leader in a secular age.

On-Demand Course Faith, Lies, and Spies: Bonhoeffer’s Life and You https://faithlead.org/course-lp/faith-lies-spies-bonhoeffers-life-and-you/

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Episode 76: Coaching Training for Church Leaders

Thu, 09 May 2024 13:59:00 -0400

More pastors are taking coaching courses and loving the impact on their congregation. Watch this pivot podcast episode to learn what coaching is, how it’s different from other models of leadership training and why it can be so impactful for church leaders.

In today’s pivot podcast episode, we are interviewing Faith+Lead’s Director of Coaching, Dawn Alitz. Here’s what we mean by coaching: the practice of listening, helping people name their core challenges, discovering solutions to those challenges, and implementing specific practices and action steps to move forward. Jesus often led by asking good questions. Coaching is one form of leading by asking questions. What would it look like if more of your faith leadership took on this approach? How might leaders in the church benefit from coaching? Coaching classes, leadership coaching, and training church leaders all benefit churches and leaders today. Join us as we explore new models for loving and leading our communities.

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Episode 75: How to have Spiritual Conversations with Your Neighbors: Let’s Talk about the Difference Jesus Makes

Thu, 02 May 2024 14:36:00 -0400

Wondering how to have good conversations about your Christian faith with neighbors and friends who aren’t Christian? Many of us can think of examples of how not to do this. But how can we do it lovingly, faithfully, and respectfully? Church leaders often ask us, “how can I help people in my congregation have good spiritual conversations with their neighbors?."

Watch this Pivot podcast interview to learn from an artist and evangelist working in New York City among secular artists as well as a church planter in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. If you want to learn how to talk about Jesus with your neighbors who are spiritual but not religious, tune into this episode and discover how to share the difference Jesus makes in your life.

Show notes:

Guest Mike Wu mentions listening to people's longings and losses as a way of finding hope. Check out this Faith+Lead article by Dawn Alitz for a free download to lead this practice in your community.

https://faithlead.org/blog/finding-hope-by-listening-to-longings-and-losses/

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Episode 74: Fresh Expressions: How to Start New Christian Communities

Thu, 25 Apr 2024 13:54:00 -0400

Looking for new ways to share the Gospel with your neighbors? Watch this pivot podcast episode to learn about simple ways the Spirit of God is raising up, calling and sending leaders–especially lay leaders–to cultivate new forms of Christian community that meet people where they are in daily life.

In today’s episode, we’re going to cross the pond to the UK to learn from hopeful seeds of new life that are emerging within a context where there is a long Christendom legacy but only 8% of the current population is actively engaged with church of any kind. Be encouraged with hope-filled stories of emerging communities of faith reaching people in local neighborhoods and helping people discover the difference that Jesus makes. If you want to learn where Christian communities are being started by lay leaders, watch this entire episode about fresh expressions of church being started in the UK.

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Episode 73: Even Divisive Congregations Can Change

Thu, 18 Apr 2024 21:20:00 -0400

Not sure how to experience unity in Christ when there is so much division? Watch this pivot podcast interview and learn how to experience unity in the church even when it feels impossible.

Experiencing deep disagreements, differences, or divides in your church? There are ancient spiritual practices church leaders and pastors can engage in to help their churches experience more unity in Christ today. In John 17, Jesus prays for unity; unity in the church matters to God. Watch this Pivot podcast interview to learn how to focus on following Jesus together in the midst of differences and division in your church.

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Episode 72: How to Invite Others to Engage in Spiritual Practices

Thu, 11 Apr 2024 14:58:00 -0400

Not sure how to help people grow spiritually? Watch this interview with Steve Thomason, seminary professor and pastor, and learn how to invite busy people into the journey of spiritual growth.

Having trouble getting others who are overwhelmed by life to engage in spiritual practices? There are simple and concrete steps to take to create a clear vision for discipleship and spiritual growth in your church. Watch this Pivot podcast episode to learn how to engage in spiritual practices as a church leader in everyday life. Getting stuck on how to engage spiritual practices when you are busy or overwhelmed? Learn how to follow Jesus and apply the Scriptures to your everyday life.

Faith+Lead Academy courses with Steve Thomason:

The Gospel of Matthew: Life in the Way of God

Overflow: An Introduction to Growing in Faith

The Book of Acts: The Ever-Expanding Church

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Episode 71: Renewing a Congregation’s Identity

Fri, 05 Apr 2024 01:36:00 -0400

In this episode of the Pivot podcast, guest Pastor Liz Eide, who currently serves the Lutheran Church of Peace in Maplewood, Minnesota, joins host Dwight Zscheile.

Together, they explore the Lutheran Church of Peace's journey in renewing its identity and expanding its capacity to name God's presence and activity after the congregation faced a near-death experience.

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Episode 70: Easter Is Coming: Resurrection Hope for Church Leaders

Thu, 28 Mar 2024 02:31:00 -0400

Jesus’ resurrection changes everything. Facing uncertainty? Feeling ashamed? Disappointed with how things are going? You are not alone. Jesus’ disciples felt the same way until they witnessed the resurrection; with it, their hope was restored.

Everything Jesus said about himself is true. In this episode, listen to a word of encouragement from Pastor Nicole Bullock and be unafraid, for we have a Savior we can trust to keep his word. Death has not won; fear will not overwhelm us.

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Looking for Easter inspiration? Watch "Easter Is Coming" from Working Preacher at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c2inXKD6PI and share it with your faith community. This 2010 video is Working Preacher's most-watched YouTube video of all time!

Episode 69: Exploring Pastoral Leadership Models: Mega Church

Thu, 21 Mar 2024 15:20:00 -0400

Need new ways of engaging your digital church community? In this video, we’ll look at how to help people online connect more deeply with others, how to engage teams in ministry, and how to become a community-based church that impacts the local neighborhood.

If you are a mega church or part time clergy and want to empower your lay leaders and lay pastors, then you’ll want to watch this entire video to learn from Hope Church Iowa pastor Mark Brandt who pastors a multisite church and equips and empowers volunteer teams at their church campuses. Mark has been doing digital ministry for 10 years. Learn a new way to help your digital church community connect online and how to support lay leaders in your multisite church today.

Learn more about the Lutheran Church of Hope West Des Moines: https://wdm.lutheranchurchofhope.org/

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Episode 68: Exploring Pastoral Leadership Models: Collaborative Leadership

Thu, 14 Mar 2024 17:20:00 -0400

Do you find yourself wanting more people in your congregation to feel ownership of your church? Or do you want to be freed up more throughout your week to help people make spiritual meaning of their everyday life? In this episode, we will dive into how you can create a more sustainable and communal way forward for you and your faith community.

Do you wonder how to engage collaborative leadership instead of leading solo? A lot of clergy we talk to know that leading a church by themselves is unsustainable. Here’s a case study of a congregation that has experimented creatively with empowering small communities of members to love their neighbors in the name of Jesus. Today’s guest is pastor Stephanie Williams O’Brien of Mill City Church in Northeast Minneapolis. She also teaches at Bethel Seminary and is the co-host of Lead Stories podcast with Jo Saxton. You’ll want to watch this episode to learn how to equip your church to live and love in the way of Jesus.

Find Stephanie Williams O'Brien's book, "Stay Curious" here: https://www.broadleafbooks.com/store/product/9781506449562/Stay-Curious

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Episode 67: Exploring Pastoral Leadership Models: Rural Church

Thu, 07 Mar 2024 15:53:00 -0400

Leading a rural church in America today? In this video, we’ll look at the challenges and opportunities of discovering faithful, effective, collaborative, and sustainable models of leadership for rural churches.

How to rediscover hope and creativity amidst change and loss in Rural America? If you lead a rural church and want to be effective as rural life changes across America, then you’ll want to watch the entire video to learn from Bishop Bill Tesch of South Dakota who has been a church planter, mission developer, and Air Force Chaplain. Discover church future trends across rural churches in America today and rediscover your hope and energy as a church leader.

Related Episodes:

How to Empower Lay Leaders in Your Church

https://youtu.be/AShZDthq6j8

How Rural Churches can Become More Involved in Environmental Issues

https://youtu.be/i0852bRIbME

Leadership Multiplication for Today’s Church

https://youtu.be/R9G-qnDd2dQh

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Episode 66: Exploring Pastoral Leadership Models: Part-Time is Plenty

Thu, 29 Feb 2024 13:49:00 -0400

Ever wondered what effective church ministry looks like with just half or quarter-time clergy? This is the reality for many churches today, and that trend is only increasing. Today’s guest is a bivocational pastor and author who discovered that shifting from full to part time clergy leadership actually led to healthy churches in numerous congregations. Join us to hear more about effective part time ministry, discipleship, bivocational ministry, and trusting the holy spirit’s activity today.

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Episode 65: Exploring Pastoral Leadership Models: Micro Church

Thu, 22 Feb 2024 14:49:00 -0400

Looking to engage your neighbors in a new way? Exhausted and overwhelmed leading your church alone? In this episode, we’ll look at a new ministry model and how micro churches might be perfect for you and your church.

Are you wondering how to engage collaborative leadership instead of leading solo? A lot of clergy we talk to know that leading a church by themselves is unsustainable but they aren’t sure what it might look like to lead differently. Here’s a case study of a thriving congregation that relies almost exclusively on lay leaders who are supported by clergy. If you aren’t sure you want to join the micro church movement, then you’ll want to watch this episode to learn how clergy can equip bivocational ministry leaders to start new ministries.

Burned out and Overwhelmed? Why this is more normal than you think: https://youtu.be/F_NuWL_xQg0

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Episode 64: Pivot Podcast Q&A Response Session

Thu, 15 Feb 2024 22:55:00 -0400

All your questions answered in this Q&A session about exhaustion and burnout, what to do when your congregation is tired and lacking energy, pastoral identity, and preaching and leading when people are in conflict and it is an election year.

Questions that listeners asked include:

* Q1: “I’m burned out and exhausted; is it time to call it quits?”

* Q2: “Help: my congregation is tired and lacking energy, what can we do to fix it?”

* Q3: “If I'm not preaching and teaching and doing everything, then who am I as a pastor? If I’m not at the center of things I don’t feel like I’m doing my job.”

*Q4: “What do I do when people in my congregation are at odds with one another, and with me? This is an election year when American society seems more divided than ever. How do I lead in this environment?”

Video Mentioned:

Burned out and Overwhelmed? Why this is more normal than you think: https://youtu.be/F_NuWL_xQg0

Episode 63: Lent: The Gift of Journeying in the Wilderness for Church Leaders

Thu, 08 Feb 2024 14:07:00 -0400

In a wilderness season? Uncertain? In a waiting season with God? Isolated? You’re in good company as Jesus also lived through a wilderness season in Luke 4. In this episode, join Terri Elton as we explore the spiritual formation that comes with times of uncertainty and reflection. What might be God’s promises for us and for our communities even in times of wilderness seasons?

Episode 62: Funding Forward: New Business Models for Ministry

Thu, 01 Feb 2024 15:11:00 -0400

Wondering how to navigate the path toward a financially secure future for your church? Join us for the Pivot podcast as your hosts, Terri Elton and Dr. Dwight Zscheile, dive deep into the topic with the insightful Grace Pomroy—accomplished author, dedicated educator, and the Director of Luther Seminary's Stewardship Leaders program. If your church is seeking a more sustainable financial roadmap, you're in the right place. Together, we'll unpack strategies, explore innovative approaches, and shed light on the keys to long-term financial stability for your faith community. So, whether you're a clergy member, a stewardship leader, or just curious about the financial well-being of your church, buckle up for an enlightening journey!

FREE E-BOOK: Funding Forward Research Project by Grace Pomroy: https://faithlead.org/ebooks/funding-forward-research-project/

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Episode 61: Fostering Faith in Everyday Life

Thu, 25 Jan 2024 16:01:00 -0400

Are your church programs making the impact you're hoping for? If you answered yes, no, or not sure, this is the place to start. In this episode of Pivot podcast, hosts Alicia Granholm and Dwight Zscheile dig into why focusing on membership doesn't necessarily mean that people are becoming disciples of Jesus.

Guests Tania Haber and Jason Van Hunnik, two pastors who have discovered a way forward for their church, describe a mindset shift that orients church activities in a different direction. Net result? Individuals contribute to fostering faith that impacts everyday lives without the overwhelm of programs.

Episode show notes: https://faithlead.org/show/pivot-podcast/

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Episode 60: How to Start a New Ministry

Thu, 18 Jan 2024 16:47:00 -0400

Do you have an idea for a new ministry but aren’t sure exactly where to start or how to get it off the ground? If so, listen on!

In this episode of the Pivot Podcast, hosts Alicia Granholm and Dwight Zscheile tackle the pitfalls to avoid when starting a new ministry, the most common hangups people have when starting a new ministry, and get advice for starting a new ministry with guest, Michael Binder.

SHOW NOTES:

How to Start a New Ministry Course with Michael Binder https://faithlead.org/course-lp/how-to-start-a-new-ministry/

For transcripts, downloadable resources, and more, visit the podcast homepage at https://faithlead.org/show/pivot-podcast/

Key Words: Pivot Podcast, Alicia Granholm, Dwight Zscheile, leadership, church structures, scripture in community, agency, action, new ministry, pivot in posture, Michael Binder, Luther Seminary, Faith+Lead

Episode 59: Empowering Lay Leaders

Thu, 11 Jan 2024 16:03:00 -0400

Start here when you can't find a full-time pastor for your church.

In this episode of the Pivot Podcast, hosts Alicia Granholm and Dwight Zscheile tackle the challenge of clergy shortage in churches with guest Marianne Ell, facilitator for the School for Lay Ministry with Faith+Lead.

SHOW NOTES:

Find out more about the School for Lay Ministry at https://faithlead.org/learning-community/school-for-lay-ministry-learning-community/

For transcripts, downloadable resources, and more, visit the podcast homepage at https://faithlead.org/show/pivot-podcast/

Episode 58: How to Help Your Church Change through Design Thinking

Thu, 04 Jan 2024 23:20:00 -0400

We know things need to change in our church, but where do we start?

In this episode of the Pivot Podcast, host Dwight Zscheile addresses the common struggle church leaders face in navigating change with guest Dr. Ramon Pastrano, a specialist in transformational leadership. Together they explore the challenges of making changes in churches, highlighting pitfalls and proposing a better approach, emphasizing the significance of the design thinking process.

SHOW NOTES:

Faith+Lead Academy Course with Dr. Ramon Pastrano around Human Centered Design: https://faithlead.org/course-lp/spirit-led-solutions-through-human-centered-design/.

Episode 57: What to do when you find yourself saying: “I wasn’t trained for this”

Tue, 02 Jan 2024 22:39:00 -0400

"It is precisely in moments of disruption, change, and uncertainty that God acts in scripture." - Host, Dwight Zscheile

In this episode of the Pivot podcast, co-hosts Terri Elton and Dwight Zscheile are joined by guest, Mark Lau Branson.

Mark Lau Branson is the Homer L. Goddard Senior Professor of the Ministry of the Laity and has taught at Fuller Theological Seminary since 2000. As a senior professor, his work focuses on PhD students.

Leaders, if you're tired of navigating rigid church structures, this conversation empowers you to explore alternative questions and delve into scripture and community stories. Embrace disruption and uncertainty, as these moments align with God's actions in scripture. Mark's books offer guidance for leaders seeking a more hopeful future.

In our next episode, we continue to explore the key pivots the church needs to make today.

Content Upgrade: Chapter Exercise [Pivot in Posture] with Mark Lau Branson can be found on this episode's page on our website.

Episode 56: What does the birth of Jesus mean to you?

Tue, 19 Dec 2023 17:35:00 -0400

Greetings from the Pivot Podcast family! This Christmas, we rejoice in the profound significance of Jesus' birth, a beacon of hope, joy, and love for the coming year.

Today we hear from host, Dwight Zscheile along with guests, Rev. TT Daniel, Jennifer Wojciechowski, Godson Dauda, September Penn, Paul Kisingu, Akinpelu Lawal, Eun Strawser, Ramon Pastrano, and Jon Anderson.

Amid festive cheer, let's unwrap the theological depth of the Nativity—the divine message in a humble manger. May the radiance of Christ's love illuminate your path.

Stay tuned as we explore the sacred wonders of this season on the Pivot Podcast.

You're in the right place if you're a pastor, lay leader, or simply curious about how faith communities adapt in changing times. Let's embark on this journey together!

Episode 55: The Harvest is Plentiful but the Laborers Are Few

Thu, 14 Dec 2023 15:49:00 -0400

“The harvest is plentiful but the laborers are few.” Luke 10:2

In this episode of the Pivot podcast, co-hosts Terri Elton and Dwight Zscheile are joined by guest, Dr. Samuel Deressa.

Deressa began teaching part-time at Concordia University of St. Paul, MN in 2016 and joined the faculty full-time in 2018. Previously, he was a member of the Faculty of Theology (Gudina Tumsa Chair for Justice), 2008-2011, at the Mekane Yesus Seminary, Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. Deressa teaches courses on Global Christianity, Scripture and its Interpretation, Christian Vocation, and Christianity and the Media.

Stay tuned for more episodes unraveling the complexities of the current state of the church.

You're in the right place if you're a pastor, lay leader, or simply curious about how faith communities adapt in changing times. Let's embark on this journey together!

Episode 54: How to Listen to Your Neighbors' Spiritual Stories

Thu, 07 Dec 2023 15:46:00 -0400

Listening is the first step in discovering how we can better love our neighbors and God.

In this episode of the Pivot podcast, co-hosts Dee Stokes and Dwight Zscheile are joined by two lay ministry leaders from All Saints Episcopal in Atlanta, Ross Nicholas and Allen King.

Join us as we explore the essential shift that churches must embrace today—a move away from the predominant focus on repairing established institutional structures. Instead, let's pivot towards a stance characterized by curiosity, discernment, and a willingness to experiment, all rooted in the art of active listening.

Stay tuned for more episodes unraveling the complexities of this cultural shift.

You're in the right place if you're a pastor, lay leader, or simply curious about how faith communities adapt in changing times. Let's embark on this journey together!

SHOW NOTES:

Access the Spiritual Listening Assessment at https://faithlead.org/ebooks/spiritual-life-listening-tool/.

Episode 53: Word of Encouragement for Church Leaders

Thu, 30 Nov 2023 15:17:00 -0400

Let us at the Pivot podcast encourage YOU in this time leading up to Christmas!

This week, host Dee Stokes is here to share a gentle reminder amidst the Christmas chaos: Jesus came expressly for you and your congregation, illuminating the darkness. In the busyness, find a sacred pause to recharge, for you are instrumental in guiding others. As exhaustion looms, extend the invitation to encounter Jesus anew this season. Reflect on your personal connection with Him and navigate through your seasonal challenges. Embrace the light and share it, making this Christmas a profound spiritual journey for all.

SHOW NOTES:

Downloadable ebook "Spiritual Life Listening Tool" at https://faithlead.org/ebooks/spiritual-life-listening-tool/

Episode 52: Centering Discipleship

Tue, 21 Nov 2023 22:00:00 -0400

How the church can faithfully navigate a changing world?

In this episode of the Pivot podcast, co-hosts Dee Stokes and Dwight Zscheile are joined by special guest Eun Strawser.

E. K. Strawser (DO, Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine) is the co-vocational lead pastor of Ma Ke Alo o (which means "presence" in Hawaiian), non-denominational missional communities multiplying in Honolulu, Hawaii; a community physician at Ke Ola Pono; and an executive leader at the V3 Movement, the church planting arm of the Baptist General Association of Virginia. Prior to transitioning to Hawaii, she served as adjunct professor of medicine at the Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine and of African Studies at her alma mater, the University of Pennsylvania (where she and her husband served with InterVarsity Christian Fellowship), after finishing her Fulbright Scholarship at the University of Dar es Salaam. She and Steve have three seriously amazing children.

Tune in as we look into the pivot from focusing on making and sustaining members of voluntary association institutions to making disciples of Jesus.

Stay tuned for more episodes unraveling the complexities of this cultural shift.

You're in the right place if you're a pastor, lay leader, or simply curious about how faith communities adapt in changing times. Let's embark on this journey together!

Episode 51: Q&A Response Session #1

Thu, 16 Nov 2023 16:00:00 -0400

In this episode of the Pivot podcast, co-hosts Dee Stokes and Dwight Zscheile answer YOUR frequently asked questions about challenges faith communities are facing.

Questions that listeners asked include:

Q1: "Our congregation shrank in numbers the past three years. How do we balance reimagining our model when buildings and grounds maintenance uses a lot of time, energy and money? How do we shift the culture within the church? And what if laypeople often want clergy to be involved in everything?"
Q2: "I'm having a really hard time finding volunteers to support the church's existing ministries. Why is it so hard to recruit and retain volunteers?"
Q3: "Why won't the members or congregants invite others to church?"

You're in the right place if you're a pastor, lay leader, or simply curious about how faith communities adapt in changing times. Let's embark on this journey together!

Episode 50: Burned Out and Overwhelmed?

Thu, 09 Nov 2023 12:00:00 -0400

In this episode of the Pivot podcast, co-hosts Dee Stokes and Dwight Zscheile are joined by special guest Jorge Acevedo.

In August of 2023, Pastor Jorge retired as the Lead Pastor of Grace Church, a multi-site congregation in Southwest Florida. Pastor Jorge is a graduate of Asbury College, Asbury Theological Seminary, and most recently, he graduated with a Doctor of Ministry degree from United Theological Seminary. His doctoral project was entitled “Congregational Vitality: The Church’s Journey from Heroic Solo Leadership to Generative Team Leadership.”

Tune in as we dive into why exhaustion and overwhelm are so common among church leaders today with a few practical next steps that you can take to find a more sustainable way forward for you and your faith community.

Stay tuned for more episodes unraveling the complexities of this cultural shift.

You're in the right place if you're a pastor, lay leader, or simply curious about how faith communities adapt in changing times. Let's embark on this journey together!

Episode 49: Learning to Ask 'God Questions': Transforming an Inherited Church

Tue, 31 Oct 2023 16:32:00 -0400

Welcome to the Pivot Podcast, brought to you by Luther Seminary's Faith+Lead! Join Dr. Dee Stokes and Dr. Dwight Zscheile as they explore the ever-changing Church landscape.

In this episode, they are joined by special guest Rev. Dr. Blair Pogue. Blair is the canon for vitality and innovation in the Episcopal Church in Minnesota, working across the state to cultivate discipleship and missional engagement for the 94 Episcopal faith communities in Minnesota.

Tune in as we gain a deeper understanding of why it’s easier for people to talk about the church than about God, how to help people discover and rediscover God’s activity in their lives, and how to shift from asking church questions to asking God questions.

Stay tuned for more episodes unraveling the complexities of this cultural shift.

You're in the right place if you're a pastor, lay leader, or simply curious about how faith communities adapt in changing times. Let's embark on this journey together!

Episode 48: Meeting Neighbors Where They Are

Tue, 24 Oct 2023 17:59:00 -0400

Welcome to the Pivot Podcast, brought to you by Luther Seminary's Faith+Lead!

Join Dr. Dee Stokes and Dr. Dwight Zscheile as they explore the ever-changing Church landscape. In this episode, they are joined by special guest Pastor Carl Johnson, a passionate church planter, innovative ministry entrepreneur, and seasoned trainer from St. Paul, Minnesota. Carl, the visionary founder of Storehouse Grocers, is on a mission to address both the spiritual and practical needs of his community.

Tune in as we dive into the dynamic world of church structures. Discover why the traditional one-size-fits-all approach is no longer effective and explore the benefits of a mixed ecology model for your community.

Stay tuned for more episodes unraveling the complexities of this cultural shift.

You're in the right place if you're a pastor, lay leader, or simply curious about how faith communities adapt in changing times. Let's embark on this journey together!

Episode 47: Why Are So Many Churches Struggling Today?

Wed, 18 Oct 2023 19:53:00 -0400

Welcome to the Pivot Podcast from Luther Seminary’s Faith+Lead!

Join Dr. Dee Stokes and Dr. Dwight Zscheile on a journey to explore the changing landscape of the Church. In today's episode, the co-hosts talk with guest Ted A. Smith, author of "The End of Theological Education," to gain a deeper understanding of the history of the voluntary association model of the church in the U.S., the cultural shifts taking place, what this means for congregational life and ministry moving forward, and where church leaders can find hope today.

Stay tuned for future episodes as we continue to unravel the complexities of this cultural shift.

If you're a pastor, lay leader, or simply curious about how faith communities adapt in changing times, you're in the right place. Let's embark on this journey together!

Episode 46: Four Key Pivots for Today's Church

Thu, 12 Oct 2023 11:00:00 -0400

No, You're Not Imagining Things; The Times Have Changed for the Church.

Welcome to season 5 of the Pivot Podcast from Luther Seminary’s Faith+Lead!

Join Dr. Dee Stokes and Dr. Dwight Zscheile on a journey to explore the changing landscape of the Church. In today's episode, we delve into a significant cultural shift and unveil four essential pivots that can help your faith community navigate these changing times.

Discover the shifts in the Age of Association and the rise of the Age of Authenticity. We'll share real-life examples, pitfalls to avoid, and practical insights on how to adapt:

1️⃣ Pivot in Posture: From Fixing to Listening, Discerning, and Experimenting.

2️⃣ Pivot in Focus: From Membership to Discipleship.

3️⃣ Pivot in Structure: From One Shape Fits All to a Mixed Ecology.

4️⃣ Pivot in Leadership: From Clergy-Led/Lay-Supported to Lay-Led/Clergy-Supported Ministry.

Our free resource, available in the show notes, offers deeper insights into these cultural shifts and how to navigate them faithfully.

Stay tuned for future episodes as we continue to unravel the complexities of this cultural shift. Next week, we'll dig even deeper with an interview featuring Ted Smith, exploring the nuances of this transformative journey. Don't miss it!

If you're a pastor, lay leader, or simply curious about how faith communities adapt in changing times, you're in the right place. Let's embark on this journey together!

Episode 45: Cultivating Leaders for the Mixed Ecology

Tue, 23 May 2023 05:00:00 -0400

It's time to Pivot! In episode twelve of season four, hosts Terri Elton, Dee Stokes, and Dwight Zscheile reflect on the past season in this finale.

Episode 44: How to Cultivate the Mixed Ecology in a Regional Church System with Calla Gilson

Mon, 15 May 2023 13:00:00 -0400

It's time to Pivot! In episode eleven of season four, co-hosts Terri Elton and Dee Stokes welcome this weeks special guest, Calla Gilson.

Show Notes:

"On the Way" document: https://nwos-elca.church/on-the-way/

More on that can we found here: https://nwos-elca.church/on-the-way/

https://nwos-elca.church/2021/10/27/innovator-learning-academy/

Episode 43: How to Get Started in the Mixed Ecology in a Local Church with Roz Picardo

Tue, 09 May 2023 12:00:00 -0400

It's time to Pivot! In episode ten of season four, co-hosts Terri Elton and Dee Stokes welcome this weeks special guest, Dr. Rosario Picardo.

Special Guest: Dr. Rosario Picardo.

SHOW NOTES:

Connect with Dr. Roz via email (roz@wearemosaic.org) or visit his website, rosariopicardo.com.

Suggested resource: Dynamite Prayer: A 28 Day Prayer Experiment

Episode 42: Rural Fresh Expression with Kerri Meyer

Tue, 02 May 2023 14:00:00 -0400

It's time to Pivot! In episode nine of season four, co-hosts Terri Elton and Dwight Zscheile welcome this weeks special guest, Rev. Kerri Meyer.

Looking for new ways to connect with your community and integrate farming, faith, and environmental stewardship into your church?

Our latest guest on the Pivot Podcast, Kerri Meyer, shares how her community is engaging in innovative ministry on a farm that is both theologically grounded and practically impactful.

One of the examples Kerri shares is a unique gathering called "Pie and Prayer." Every Wednesday night out in the barnyard as the sun sets, followed by evening prayer in the silo, is how her community gathers and fellowships.

But Pie and Prayer is more than just a weekly gathering; it's an expression of hospitality and community engagement that has been life-giving for many people, including locals who attend on Wednesday nights and travelers who make a stop on their road trips for Saturday morning gathering.

Tune in to the full episode of the Pivot Podcast to discover how Kerri and her ministry are forging a new path to sustainable community and spiritual growth through relationships with the land and neighbors.

Special Guest: Rev. Kerri Meyer.

Episode 41: The Role of Church Planting in the Mixed Ecology with Wole Agbaje

Tue, 25 Apr 2023 09:00:00 -0400

It's time to Pivot! In episode eight of season four, co-hosts Terri Elton and Dwight Zscheile welcome this weeks special guest, pastor Wole Agbaje.

Have you ever felt a calling so strong that you couldn't deny it?

Wole did when he was called to plant a church in London's financial district at a young age. Despite the challenges he faced, he persevered and saw remarkable success.

If you're feeling a nudge towards a new adventure or calling, take heart from Pastor Wole's story. Listen for God's voice, trust in His guidance, and be open to unexpected twists and turns. Who knows where He might take you?

Special Guest: Wole Agbaje.

Episode 40: Introducing Dinner Church with JD Larson

Tue, 18 Apr 2023 05:00:00 -0400

It's time to Pivot! In episode seven of season four, our hosts Dr. Dee stokes and Dwight Zscheile welcome this weeks special guest, Church Planter and Co-Lead Pastor of North City Church, JD Larson.

In todays episode, we explore a few questions around JD and his work.

How do dinner church gatherings work? What happens?

What theological commitments underlie dinner church?

What are you learning? What are some challenges and opportunities you’re facing?

Special Guest: JD Larson.

Episode 39: How the Inherited and Innovative Church Work Together with Jorge Acevedo

Tue, 11 Apr 2023 12:00:00 -0400

It's time to Pivot! In episode six of season four, our hosts Terri Elton and Dwight Zscheile welcome this weeks special guest, author and pastor, Jorge Acevedo.

In todays episode, we explore a few questions around Jorge and his work.

How do inherited/traditional and Fresh Expressions work together?

Why do you care about Fresh Expressions and mixed ecology?

What are some things you want to share with pastors/judicatory executives and other leaders in inherited church about authorizing and supporting Fresh Expressions and cultivating a mixed ecology?

Jorge Acevedo is the Lead Pastor at Grace Church, a multi-site, United Methodist congregation in Southwest Florida with three campuses (Cape Coral, Fort Myers Shores, Fort Myers Central). Grace Church is recognized as having one of the largest and most effective recovery ministries in America.

Jorge co-authored Sent: Giving the Gift of Hope at Christmas. He also authored Vital: Churches Changing Communities and the World and co-authored The Heart of Youth Ministry. He has also written for the United Methodist Publishing House, Circuit Rider magazine, Good News magazine and Our Faith Today.

Episode 38: Practicing Fresh Expressions with Jonny Baker

Tue, 04 Apr 2023 20:00:00 -0400

Special Guest: Jonny Baker

Episode 37: The Mixed Ecology in Christian History with Jennie Wojciechowksi

Wed, 29 Mar 2023 16:00:00 -0400

Special Guest: Jennie Wojciechowksi.

Episode 36: The Mixed Ecology in the US with Michael Beck

Tue, 21 Mar 2023 12:00:00 -0400

Special Guest: Michael Beck.

Episode 35: Where Did Fresh Expressions Come From? Learning from the UK with Michael Moynagh

Tue, 14 Mar 2023 18:30:00 -0400

Special Guest: Michael Moynagh.

Episode 34: Introducing the Mixed Ecology and Why It Matters

Tue, 07 Mar 2023 15:00:00 -0400

Season 4 of the Pivot podcast provides lessons and stories from church leaders who are igniting imagination, creating collaborations, launching experiments, and dreaming of new possibilities for God’s church. It focuses on two questions: How might we use the uncertainty and disruption of this time to reimagine church, ministry, and leadership? And how might the Christian faith be a resource for making spiritual sense of current realities and leaning into the future that is emerging?

Episode 33: What difference does Faithful Innovation make?

Tue, 05 Apr 2022 15:00:00 -0400

Links:

Purchase the Leaders Companion

Episode 32: Iterating and Integrating Faithful Innovation

Wed, 30 Mar 2022 13:00:00 -0400

Special Guest: Dee Stokes.

Episode 30: Telling Stories

Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:00:00 -0400

Special Guest: Alexus Rhone.

Episode 31: Reflecting on Learning

Tue, 15 Mar 2022 13:00:00 -0400

Special Guest: Brandy Gerjets.

Episode 29: Experimenting

Wed, 09 Mar 2022 22:00:00 -0400

Links:

Word & World

Episode 28: The Art of Not Knowing

Mon, 21 Feb 2022 17:00:00 -0400

Special Guest: Ines McBryde.

Episode 27: Discerning the Challenge

Mon, 21 Feb 2022 17:00:00 -0400

Special Guest: Michael Binder.

Episode 26: Listening

Tue, 08 Feb 2022 14:00:00 -0400

Links:

Listening to Longings and Losses

Episode 25: Why Innovate in the Church?

Tue, 01 Feb 2022 14:00:00 -0400

Links:

Dwelling in the Word

Episode 24: Why is Faithful Innovation a Faith Practice

Tue, 25 Jan 2022 14:00:00 -0400

Links:

Chapters Exercise

Episode 23: What is Faithful Innovation?

Tue, 18 Jan 2022 14:00:00 -0400

Blog: https://faithlead.luthersem.edu/from-the-age-of-association-to-authenticity

Links:

Episode 22: Themes and Personal Reflections

Fri, 30 Apr 2021 19:00:00 -0400

Themes and Personal Reflections

Episode 21: Mustard Seed and Hope that Moves Mountains

Thu, 22 Apr 2021 13:00:00 -0400

Mustard Seed and Hope that Moves Mountains

Episode 20: Slow and Patient

Mon, 19 Apr 2021 18:00:00 -0400

Slow and Patient

Episode 19: Setting the Table

Tue, 06 Apr 2021 16:00:00 -0400

Setting the Table

Episode 18: Why Not?: Hope and Light

Mon, 29 Mar 2021 20:00:00 -0400

Hope and Light

Episode 17: Sharing the Weight

Thu, 11 Mar 2021 00:00:00 -0400

The open-ended nature of the pandemic has made some of the pivots necessary for ministry more challenging.Pastor Christa Compton joins Terri and Louise for a conversation.

Episode 16: Living Faith

Sat, 06 Mar 2021 14:00:00 -0400

Mission development and faith during the pandemic are the topic of today's episode. Pastor Maryanne Kehlenbach of Living Faith Church joins Terri and Louise for this conversation.

Episode 15: Lessons from a Military Chaplain

Mon, 22 Feb 2021 20:00:00 -0400

What can help us prepare for the challenging seasons we are in? Pastor Aaron Fuller, a Navy reserve chaplain and parish pastor, joins Terri and Louise for a conversation around discipleship practices.

Join the conversation with the hosts by joining this free community space in the Faith+Lead Learning Lab

Episode 14: Leading in Liminal Space

Mon, 15 Feb 2021 19:00:00 -0400

Tending the mission and vision of a congregation is still important during a pandemic. How do we do that? Pastor Mike Carlson, of St. Andrew's Lutheran Church, joins Louise and Terri to explore this and more in today's episode.

Join the conversation with the hosts by joining this free community space in the Faith+Lead Learning Lab

Episode 13: Embracing What's New

Mon, 08 Feb 2021 18:00:00 -0400

Welcome to season 2. Join Terri Elton from Luther Seminary and Louise Johnson from LEAD as they discuss where we find ourselves now. We continue to live in a liminal space, but even amidst the uncertainty, new possibilities and connections are happening.

Join the conversation with the hosts by joining this free community space in the Faith+Lead Learning Lab

Episode 12: Reflections and Learning

Tue, 01 Sep 2020 20:30:00 -0400

As church leaders, the pandemic has been and is causing us to rethink so much. Reflect with us on these changes, specifically around community, capacity, and competency.

Episode 11: Promising Innovation

Tue, 25 Aug 2020 09:00:00 -0400

Christian innovation is different than secular innovation, but what makes it unique?

Episode 10: Creating Conditions

Tue, 18 Aug 2020 16:00:00 -0400

Like the times our GPS isn't able to reroute us, the things we were doing before are no longer working. Where is the church going now? For more, listen to this conversation about creating conditions.

Episode 9: Permanent Whitewater

Tue, 04 Aug 2020 19:00:00 -0400

Leading right now is like navigating through relentless whitewater rapids. If you are questioning everything right now, you are not alone.

Today's episode features this resource: Unlocking Leadership Mindtraps: How to Thrive in Complexity by Jennifer Garvey Berger.

Episode 8: Our New Home

Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:00:00 -0400

It's time to begin to build sustainable patterns for this time we are living in.

Episode 7: Exhausted in the Wilderness

Tue, 21 Jul 2020 09:00:00 -0400

Pastors and church leaders are experiencing fatigue and exhaustion. Join us for a conversation on the realities facing pastors now.

Resources

Journeying in the Wilderness

The Sabbath

Episode 6: Love Your Neighbor Part 2

Thu, 16 Jul 2020 20:15:00 -0400

A continuing conversation about loving our neighbors in online community.

Episode 5: Love Your Neighbor Part 1

Tue, 30 Jun 2020 14:00:00 -0400

Who is your neighbor on Zoom? When community includes online spaces, we are called to love our neighbors in both familiar and new ways.

Episode 4: Community

Tue, 16 Jun 2020 18:00:00 -0400

Episode Resource

Beyond the Screen by Andrew Zirschky

https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Screen-Ministry-Connected-Generation/dp/1501810073#ace-g3379618840

Episode 3: Lament

Tue, 09 Jun 2020 17:00:00 -0400

Lament is a language that changes how we communicate with God. Lament powerfully expresses complex feelings and situations.

Episode 2a: Loss and George Floyd

Fri, 05 Jun 2020 21:00:00 -0400

Links:

Episode 2: Loss

Tue, 02 Jun 2020 17:00:00 -0400

The basic contours of what it means to do ministry are gone. Our congregations miss much of community life. How do we engage the various layers of loss.

Episode 1: Pivot

Wed, 27 May 2020 19:00:00 -0400

What does it mean to pivot? How can Christian leaders help their congregations and organizations respond to times of chaos and crisis–faithfully and effectively?