Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl

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Dr. Rick Hanson & Forrest Hanson | Deepening Connections in Our Family Systems

Tue, 07 Apr 2026 00:00:00 -0700

This week, Thomas sits down for a touching conversation on navigating the complex dynamics of parent-child relationships with father-and-son duo, Rick and Forrest Hanson.

In this intimate interview, Rick, a renowned psychologist and author, and Forrest, author and host of the “Being Well” podcast, share their unique and personal perspectives on healthy power dynamics, children’s autonomy, identity development, the inevitability of parental mistakes, and what’s needed for repair and forgiveness.

Thomas brings his own experiences as a parent forward in a dialogue that offers a loving and healthy vision of fatherhood and masculinity. They also discuss family relationships from a bigger-picture perspective, and explore how individual family dynamics reflect broader societal wounds and forge paths for collective healing and generational pattern breaking.

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✨Rick Hanson, Ph.D. is a psychologist, Senior Fellow at UC Berkeley’s Greater Good Science Center, and New York Times bestselling author of seven books, including Hardwiring Happiness and Buddha’s Brain, with over a million copies sold. A leading expert on positive neuroplasticity, he founded the Global Compassion Coalition and co-hosts the Being Well podcast, with 25+ million downloads. Rick has taught at meditation centers worldwide and spoken at institutions like NASA, Google, and Harvard. His work blends neuroscience, psychology, and contemplative practice to foster resilience and well-being.

Connect with Rick here 👉 https://www.RickHanson.com

✨ Forrest Hanson is an author, podcaster, and content creator focused on helping people understand themselves better and become the person they want to be. He's the co-author of the bestselling book Resilient: How to Grow an Unshakable Core of Calm, Strength, and Happiness and host of Being Well, which regularly ranks among the top mental health podcasts.

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Dr. MaryCatherine McDonald | The Bravery of Curiosity in Trauma Healing

Tue, 31 Mar 2026 00:00:00 -0700

This week, Thomas sits down with trauma researcher, life coach, and author Dr. MaryCatherine McDonald, for a conversation on the importance of curiosity in trauma healing, the difficult necessity of turning towards pain, and how to “compost” our wounds into fertile soil for inner growth.

They discuss how to shift away from the isolation that trauma creates and lean into connection, empathy, and shared responsibility as part of the healing process. They frame our conscious inquiry into our suffering as a sort of real-world alchemy that transforms the stagnant energy of the past into an integrated future.

Ultimately, a special kind of courage is required to investigate trauma with openness and curiosity, and we hope this dialogue inspires some of that courage in anyone watching or listening.

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✨MaryCatherine McDonald, PhD, is a research professor and life coach who specializes in the psychology of trauma, stress, and resilience. She has been researching, lecturing, and publishing on the neuroscience, psychology, and lived experience of trauma and stress for over a decade. She is passionate about destigmatizing trauma, stress, and mental health issues and reframing our understanding of trauma.

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The Spiritual Practice of Setting Boundaries

Tue, 24 Mar 2026 00:00:00 -0700

This week, Thomas shares a teaching that explores boundary setting as a deep spiritual practice that allows us to embody our authentic inner experience. When we define and share our boundaries, we’re not creating walls to shut others out; we’re engaging in a fluid dance that acknowledges our pain, creates safety, and actually helps us become less rigid and defensive.

Thomas discusses why it’s so difficult for some of us to establish boundaries, and shares conscious, relational tools to help us stay present with pain, move from isolation to interdependence, and learn to treat life’s challenges as a path to spiritual maturity.

He also explores the importance of specificity as we learn to better attune to ourselves and others, and how that impacts our individual, ancestral, and collective healing.

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Meditating Into the Heart with Susanne Ahlendorf and Martin Bruders

Tue, 17 Mar 2026 00:00:00 -0700

This week, Thomas sits down with meditation instructors Susanne Ahlendorf and Martin Bruders for a deep exploration of heart-centered meditation, moving beyond the physical heart to uncover its emotional, energetic, and spiritual layers.

Discover why your emotional defenses, aka the "guardians of the heart", are an intelligent part of your healing journey, and how vulnerability leads to deeper connection and a more embodied meditation practice.

We also explore a path toward entering the “cave of the heart,” which may sound like traveling to a distant and ethereal place, but is actually an awakening to the reality of your authentic self.

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Susanne and Martin are teaching a new meditation course this April that will provide a powerful, in-depth exploration of these topics. It's called:

❤️ The Heart of Meditation: Exploring the Depths of Your Practice

In this 4-week online course, you'll explore the emotional layers of the heart and learn meditation practices to help you consistently access a peaceful and resourced inner space.

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✨ Susanne Ahlendorf is a non-medical practitioner for psychotherapy, a group leader for meditation and Inner Science practice, who accompanies people on their personal and spiritual development path. For her, meditation is a way of unfolding love in life.

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✨ Martin Bruders is a qualified social worker, mediator, and coach. He worked for over 28 years as a comedian and presenter at over 2000 corporate events in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland. His inner exploration journey is as much about his meditation practice as it is about his daily life. He loves to permeate life deeper and deeper, always in search of intimacy with the divine; sometimes succeeding, sometimes failing.

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Amy Elizabeth Fox | A Trauma-Informed Paradigm for Leadership, Coaching, and Consulting

Tue, 10 Mar 2026 00:00:00 -0700

This week, Thomas sits down with the CEO of Mobius Executive Leadership, Amy Elizabeth Fox, for a conversation about bringing trauma-informed wisdom and embodied presence into leadership, organizations, coaching, and consulting work.

They discuss how traditional coaching and leadership development are inadequate for increasingly chaotic times, where unresolved personal and collective trauma create unhealthy environments that lack resilience.

Thomas and Amy offer tools and practices for down-regulating stress, creating psychological safety, and fostering a workplace rooted in deep connection and belonging—where creativity drives progress instead of fear.

They also discuss Amy’s new book co-authored with Nicholas Janni, Leading in Chaos, which you can learn about in more detail below.

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Amy Elizabeth Fox and Nicholas Janni, dear friends and students of Thomas, are publishing Leading in Chaos, arguing that what’s required in today's world is not better tools or frameworks, but “next practice” — a trauma-informed approach to leadership as an embodied, developmental practice.

Pre-order the book and read the sample chapter here 👉 https://leadinginchaosbook.com/

✨ Amy Elizabeth Fox is the Co-founder and the Chief Executive Officer of Mobius Executive Leadership, a global transformational leadership firm. For more than twenty years, she has advised senior leaders and organizations on leadership development, culture change, and organizational transformation. Amy regularly leads intensive multi-day leadership programs for senior executives and public sector leaders and is widely recognized for her work integrating trauma-informed development and psycho-spiritual principles into leadership education.

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Bayo Akomolafe, PhD | Mapping New Realities

Tue, 03 Mar 2026 00:00:00 -0700

This week, Thomas sits down with celebrated speaker, posthumanist thinker, poet, teacher, and author, Bayo Akomolafe, for a philosophical and spiritual exploration into how we understand reality and the radical perception shifts and awakenings that are necessary for true social transformation to become possible.

In his uniquely poetic way, Bayo interrogates traditional solutions to social and ecological problems that only uphold harmful norms, and offers that real change is brought about through what he calls “cracks”—disruptions to systems and modes of thinking that inspire new ideas instead of trying to bring about change via the ineffective paths that are already built into our failing social structures.

He and Thomas discuss the discomfort that comes with ushering in new realities, and how important it is that we lean in to this uncomfortable uncertainty, embrace radical compassion, and rethink our relationship to the more-than-human world.

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✨ Bayo Akomolafe is a widely celebrated international speaker, posthumanist thinker, poet, teacher, public intellectual, essayist, and author of books including These Wilds Beyond our Fences: Letters to My Daughter on Humanity’s Search for Home and We Will Tell our Own Story: The Lions of Africa Speak. Bayo is the founder of The Emergence Network and host of the online post-activist course, ‘We Will Dance with Mountains’. He currently lectures at Pacifica Graduate Institute, California, and the University of Vermont, Burlington, Vermont.

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Cheryl Strayed | Writing the Story of Your Healing

Tue, 24 Feb 2026 00:00:00 -0700

This week, Thomas sits down with speaker and renowned author of “Wild,” Cheryl Strayed, for a conversation on the profound healing power of writing and creating, the catharsis of truth-telling, and the importance of physical embodiment in trauma recovery.

Cheryl shares how grief and trauma left her feeling isolated, and describes her difficult but meaningful journey to healing through community connection. By writing about her life and daring to share her deepest wounds, she found that she was not alone in her struggles, and in fact, none of us ever truly are.

She and Thomas discuss how authentic connection can inspire collective compassion and healing, and how art and storytelling have the ability to transform culture by illuminating universal truths.

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✨ Cheryl Strayed is the author of the #1 New York Times bestseller Wild: From Lost to Found on the Pacific Crest Trail, which was adapted into an Oscar-nominated film. Her other books include Tiny Beautiful Things, Torch, and Brave Enough. Her work has appeared in The Best American Essays, The New York Times, and Vogue, among others. Also a podcast host and playwright, Strayed lives in Portland, Oregon.

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An Ethical Path to Awakening and Healing with Matthew Green

Tue, 17 Feb 2026 00:00:00 -0700

This week, Thomas sits down with one of our favorite frequent guests; journalist and co-host of the “What is Collective Healing?” podcast, Matthew Green, to explore the profound synergy between spiritual awakening, ethical living, and trauma healing, and how these pursuits converge on the journey of life.

They discuss how the "social mirror" of community helps us integrate spiritual insights, why it’s so important to meet pain with love, and why moral development requires us to get to the root causes of social issues instead of coming at problems from the top down.

It’s a fascinating conversation if you’re interested in what it looks like to integrate our personal and collective shadows, and what paths are available for us to move toward collective awakening and healing.

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✨ Matthew Green is a journalist and co-host of the “What Is Collective Healing?” podcast. He worked as a correspondent for the Financial Times and Reuters, and is the author of Aftershock, a book documenting the trauma healing journeys of British veterans. He serves as global investigations editor at DeSmog and is a graduate of Thomas Hubl’s Timeless Wisdom Training. He’s the creator of the Resonant World newsletter and the co-founder of the Resonant Man initiative.

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Pico Iyer | The Alchemy of Stillness

Tue, 10 Feb 2026 00:00:00 -0700

This week, Thomas sits down with acclaimed essayist, author, and speaker Pico Iyer to discuss travel and writing as meditative practices, the spiritual power of stillness and quiet, and how creative work generates a sense of agency in a chaotic world.

Pico shares incredible anecdotes from his international travels, many monastic retreats, decades of journeys with the Dalai Lama, and intimate time spent with beloved musician and Buddhist Leonard Cohen.

It’s an uplifting conversation on how to pull inspiration from impermanence and see personal challenges as opportunities for transformation and liberation.

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✨ Pico Iyer is the author of 17 books of fiction and nonfiction, translated into 23 languages, on subjects ranging from globalism and mysticism to the Dalai Lama. He is a longtime essayist for Time, The New York Times, and over 250 publications worldwide. Born in Oxford to Indian parents, he was educated at Eton, Oxford, and Harvard, and has lived in Japan since 1987.

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Intimacy With Your Inner World

Tue, 03 Feb 2026 00:00:00 -0700

This week, Thomas shares a teaching on how to become intimate with your authentic inner self, what causes us to distance ourselves from presence and self-acceptance, and why it’s actually counterproductive to strive towards an “ideal” or “perfect” self.

Tune in for a spiritual perspective on understanding your triggers, embracing discomfort, and transforming stagnation into opportunity for new choices. It’s an important teaching for anyone working to get themselves unstuck from past patterns and limiting beliefs.

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👉 https://jackkornfield.com/all-in-this-together-stories-and-teachings-for-loving-each-other-and-our-world/

Jack Kornfield | Stories of Transformation

Tue, 27 Jan 2026 00:00:00 -0700

This week, Thomas sits down with beloved spiritual teacher and author Jack Kornfield to explore the important and often undervalued spiritual role of the elder, the transformative power of storytelling, and why we should approach our own suffering with love instead of fear.

Jack shares some beautiful, poignant stories from his new book, All in This Together, that illustrate how small acts of compassion have a profound ripple effect on our shared consciousness, and how important it is to radically honor each individual’s inherent freedom and dignity… even when we feel we have little in common.

He and Thomas weave together their understanding of trauma healing, meditation, and social transformation to share a hopeful roadmap to collective healing as we undergo a critical, but difficult, period of transition and unrest.

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✨ Jack Kornfield is a trained Buddhist monk with a Ph.D. in clinical psychology and is a founding teacher of the Insight Meditation Society in Massachusetts and Spirit Rock Meditation Center in California. He is one of the key teachers to introduce mindfulness practice to the West, has taught internationally since 1974, and is the author of 16 books, which have sold 2 million copies.

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john a. powell | Othering and Belonging

Tue, 20 Jan 2026 00:00:00 -0700

This week, Thomas sits down with law professor and Director of the Othering and Belonging Institute, john a. powell, for a deep examination of humans’ tendency to become divided, and how the narratives we construct around fearing other groups are actually a symptom of our fundamental drive for connection.

They explore how our capacity for connection and community, driven by culture and storytelling, can produce divisiveness, and how we can use these same capacities to increase our empathy for suffering, deepen our embodiment, and overcome the fear, anxiety, and disconnect that result from collective trauma.

This is a deep dive into the social and cultural drivers of disconnection, and an inspiring look at how we can tap into our spiritual and ancestral resources to bridge the divides that keep us stuck repeating the harmful patterns of the past.

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✨ john a. powell is Director of the Othering and Belonging Institute and Professor of Law, African American, and Ethnic Studies at UC Berkeley. He has led institutes focused on race and poverty at Ohio State and the University of Minnesota, and formerly served as National Legal Director of the ACLU. A co-founder of the Poverty & Race Research Action Council, he is known for developing frameworks of “targeted universalism” and “othering and belonging” to effect equity-based interventions.

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Becoming Mature Global Citizens with Matthew Green

Tue, 13 Jan 2026 00:00:00 -0700

This week, Thomas is joined once again by journalist and co-host of the “What is Collective Healing?” podcast, Matthew Green, for a conversation exploring the idea of “global acupuncture.”

So what is global acupuncture?

It’s an approach to collective global healing that leverages our power as connected, social beings to skillfully address the roots of collective trauma at the most critical pressure points in our cultures and societies.

Thomas and Matthew discuss how humanity can transition from "adolescence" into mature citizenship by taking ownership of our shared history and integrating the "frozen" past stored within our collective nervous system. They share their hopes that, using these tools, we can turn a world of crisis into a place of global flourishing.

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The Art of Transparent Communication [From the Archive]

Tue, 06 Jan 2026 00:00:00 -0700

This week, we revisit an early episode where Thomas explores the concept of Transparent Communication, a practice that creates an open and grounded relational space where constructive and creative communication can occur. He explains that this form of communication combines the interconnected data streams of cognitive, emotional, and physical information that are always present in any conversation.

When we become attuned to these transmissions from others' nervous systems, and are consciously creating coherent transmissions from our own, we can establish a deep connection that's rich in intimacy and free from reactivity.

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Whether you’re new to Thomas’ work or are undergoing advanced studies with him, we hope you’ll join us.

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Accessing Deeper States of Meditation with Susanne Ahlendorf & Martin Bruders

Tue, 30 Dec 2025 00:00:00 -0700

This week, Thomas is joined once again by his dear friends, longtime students, and meditation instructors Susanne Ahlendorf and Martin Bruders, for a conversation that unpacks both elemental and complex elements of the practice of meditation.

They break down the most essential spiritual components of meditation and how we can apply them to our own practice, at any experience level. Thomas shares insight on how to cultivate the “beginner’s mind” and harness our attention by releasing unhelpful expectations of what a “good” practice should be.

They also discuss the crucial role of the body in meditation, and how we can learn to embrace life’s deepest and most difficult questions as our path to revelation.

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Explore more teachings and meditations from Martin and Susanne via their co-founded organization, Make Space for Grace, here:

https://www.makespaceforgrace.de

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Ross Gay | The Poetry of Joy and Connection

Tue, 23 Dec 2025 00:00:00 -0700

This week, Thomas sits down with acclaimed poet and author Ross Gay for a conversation on the intrinsic link between joy and sorrow, and the importance of finding delight in a world where doing so feels increasingly difficult.

Ross’ work is focused on finding joy through human connection, from kinship and ancestry to the profound and powerful connection we feel when we help each other carry our sorrows. In this way, sorrow serves as an unexpected source of delight, a fundamental element of life that illuminates the precarity of joy, and thus its potency.

Ross was also kind enough to share readings of some of his delightful poetry.

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✨ Ross Gay is the author of four books of poetry: Against Which; Bringing the Shovel Down; Be Holding, winner of the PEN American Literary Jean Stein Award; and Catalog of Unabashed Gratitude, winner of the 2015 National Book Critics Circle Award and the 2016 Kingsley Tufts Poetry Award. He has released three collections of essays—The Book of Delights was released in 2019 and was a New York Times bestseller; Inciting Joy was released in 2022, and his newest collection, The Book of (More) Delights was released in September of 2023.

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👉 https://www.rossgay.net

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Kyle Dietrich | The Sacredness of Service

Tue, 16 Dec 2025 00:00:00 -0700

This week, Thomas sits down with Kyle Dietrich, a trauma-informed leadership coach and the founder of Grounded Idealist, for a hopeful conversation about how personal and global crises can spark radical transformation, and how we can build a supportive healing architecture for service workers, healers, parents, and anyone committed to bettering our world.

They explore the crucial link between inner work and social change, the need for trauma-informed support for people who’ve dedicated their lives to helping others, and what resources are essential for all of us to achieve conscious relational systems and sustainable healing.

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✨ Kyle Dietrich is a social entrepreneur, international development leader, and trauma-informed leadership coach with 25+ years implementing peacebuilding, humanitarian assistance, and learning & development programs. He recently led a team in USAID's Bureau for Humanitarian Assistance and has worked with the Peace Corps, Equal Access, Mercy Corps, and UN Peacekeeping. He’s the founder and executive director of Grounded Idealist, a grassroots organization on a mission to catalyze the future of service and social change work.

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👉 https://www.groundedidealist.co

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Dr. Richard Schwartz | Expanding the Map of Healing

Tue, 09 Dec 2025 00:00:00 -0700

This week, Thomas is joined once again by the founder of Internal Family Systems, Dr. Richard Schwartz, for a deep exploration of how we can integrate collective trauma work into our daily lives, relationships, and communities.

Combining wisdom from psychology and spiritual traditions, they discuss fresh insights on creating a holistic healing framework for modern times that expands our traditional understanding of therapy and healing by addressing deeply ingrained ancestral and collective wounds.

They also explore the power of accessing the core Self to help us release individual and inherited burdens, and how this process of unburdening can accelerate our collective evolution and influence the greater health of humanity.

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✨ Richard C. Schwartz, PhD, is the creator of Internal Family Systems, a highly effective, evidence-based therapeutic model that de-pathologizes the multipart personality. He is the founder of the IFS Institute and is on the faculty of Harvard Medical School. He is the author of several books, including No Bad Parts and You Are the One You’ve Been Waiting For.

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Listener Q&A With Thomas & Matthew Green

Tue, 02 Dec 2025 00:00:00 -0700

This week, Thomas sits down with journalist and co-host of the “What is Collective Healing?” podcast, Matthew Green, for a special episode to answer questions from our community of listeners.

They discuss how we can recognize when we’re carrying unresolved trauma from the past, how we can support our children’s healing while honoring ancestral trauma, and what questions we need to ask ourselves as we embark on our own healing journeys.

They also explore why we should approach our trauma responses with compassion instead of judgment, how to become aware of patterns in our behavior and develop new ones, and the importance of collective healing within supportive ecosystems as we work to overcome isolation and repair our most important relationships.

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Dr. MaryCatherine McDonald | Transforming Fear Into Curiosity

Tue, 25 Nov 2025 00:00:00 -0700

How can joy and curiosity help us navigate the most difficult times in our lives?

This week, Thomas is joined once again by Dr. MaryCatherine McDonald, a trauma researcher, life coach, and author, to explore how curiosity and imagination are some of our most important and most trainable tools when we’re facing relational conflicts, traumatic experiences, grief and loss, and anxiety inducing news cycles.

It might seem counterintuitive, but these resources give us much needed perspective, help us foster deeper, more genuine connections, and bring awareness to inner patterns that aren’t serving us.

Thomas and Dr. McDonald also discuss the deeply relational nature of trauma, the need for collective awareness and witnessing to bring about healing, breaking cycles, and the complex nature of evil.

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✨ MaryCatherine McDonald, PhD, is a research professor and life coach who specializes in the psychology of trauma, stress, and resilience. She has been researching, lecturing, and publishing on the neuroscience, psychology, and lived experience of trauma and stress for over a decade. She is passionate about destigmatizing trauma, stress, and mental health issues and reframing our understanding of trauma.

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👉 https://alchemycoaching.life

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Bonus: The Mysticism of Light

Thu, 20 Nov 2025 00:00:00 -0700

Feeling disconnected or stuck? In this short teaching from Thomas, you’ll learn how to tap into an embodied awareness of your inner light and channel the higher consciousness of your soul to unlock creativity, innovation, and direction for your future.

This deep session offers guidance on refining your inner world to listen for the subtle stream of future insights, bringing needed updates and making you more open to previously unseen potential paths.

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Dr. Richard Schwartz | Healing Collective Ancestral Burdens

Tue, 18 Nov 2025 00:00:00 -0700

This week, Thomas sits down with Dr. Richard Schwartz, the founder of Internal Family Systems, for an in-depth discussion on the power of healing in groups, intergenerational and ancestral trauma healing, and the relationship between therapy and spirituality—all topics that are featured in their forthcoming book; Releasing Our Burdens: A Guide to Healing Individual, Ancestral, and Collective Trauma.

Thomas and Dr. Schwartz dive deep into the phenomena of ancestral and collective "legacy burdens", which are traumas from our shared past that unconsciously drive our current behavior and societal conflicts. They share therapeutic and spiritual strategies for addressing these inherited wounds, and discuss the urgent need for what Thomas calls a “collective healing architecture” to mend social fragmentation and revitalize our democratic systems.

They also share insights on the importance of our interconnection with the natural world and the need for safe spaces to access “Self Energy,” where the profound impacts of individual parts work can amplify collective healing.

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✨ Richard C. Schwartz, PhD, is the creator of Internal Family Systems, a highly effective, evidence-based therapeutic model that de-pathologizes the multipart personality. He is the founder of the IFS Institute and is on the faculty of Harvard Medical School. He is the author of several books, including No Bad Parts and You Are the One You’ve Been Waiting For.

Connect with Dr. Schwartz here:

👉 https://ifs-institute.com

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

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** DISCLAIMER: This episode includes mention of psychedelic-assisted therapy. If you wish to learn more about or pursue this type of treatment, please first consult with a trained and licensed professional.

Jack Kornfield | Finding Your Self on the Spiritual Path

Tue, 11 Nov 2025 00:00:00 -0700

This week, Thomas sits down with writer, trained Buddhist monk, and meditation teacher, Jack Kornfield, for a conversation about the twists and turns on the spiritual path and the quest for a defined identity. Drawing on hard-won expertise, they dissect spiritual bypassing, embrace the necessity of disillusionment, and share rituals and practices to help you reclaim the sacred.

Both teachers have extensive experience with trauma, pioneering our understanding of how trauma healing and spiritual practice intersect. Jack argues that in fact, we cannot seek enlightenment without confronting our personal wounds, understanding the difference between trauma and suffering, and acknowledging our interconnection.

He and Thomas explore the need for communal spiritual practices, the wisdom inherent in ancient traditions, and the importance of remembering that our essential nature is love itself.

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✨ Jack Kornfield is trained as a Buddhist monk, has taught meditation internationally since 1974, and is one of the key teachers to introduce Buddhist mindfulness practice to the West. After graduating from Dartmouth College in Asian Studies in 1967, he joined the Peace Corps and worked on tropical medicine teams in the Mekong River valley. Jack co-founded the Insight Meditation Society with Sharon Salzberg and Joseph Goldstein and the Spirit Rock Center in Woodacre, California. Jack has taught in centers and universities worldwide, led International Buddhist Teacher meetings, and worked with many of the great teachers of our time. He holds a Ph.D. in clinical psychology and is a father, husband, and activist. His books have been translated into 20 languages and sold more than a million copies.

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Iya Affo | Ancestral Healing and Indigenous Wisdom

Tue, 04 Nov 2025 00:00:00 -0700

Trauma may be passed down through generations, but so are healing, benevolence, and spiritual guidance.

This week, Thomas sits down with Iya Affo, an international speaker and the founder of Heal Historical Trauma, to discuss ancestral trauma and wisdom, Indigenous healing traditions, and collective resilience.

Iya shares her personal journey of healing and connecting with her cultural identity, sharing how community practices and communal rituals are essential for individual and collective healing.

She and Thomas explore how historical and ancestral trauma infiltrate modern life, and share hopeful wisdom on our ability to heal those wounds and transmit healing and regulation into the future. They discuss the tension and harmony between Western practices and Indigenous medicine, the difference between becoming an “elder” and simply growing older, and how genuine wellness and spiritual growth require acknowledging our fundamental interconnectedness.

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✨ Iya Affo is an international lecturer and historical trauma specialist. She serves as a member of Arizona State University’s Disparities in the Justice System Advisory Board and authored the trauma-informed curriculum for educators in Arizona and Native American schools. She’s an adjunct faculty member at the Trauma Institute International and founder of Heal Historical Trauma Culture & Wellness Academy.

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Bonus: The Turning Point of Now

Thu, 30 Oct 2025 00:00:00 -0700

Thomas shares a short teaching on how we can work together to navigate global crises, identify areas of unaddressed collective trauma, and transform outdated social structures with more emergent, creative, compassionate movements.

In order for humanity to move into the next stage of development, we must address the frozen wounds of our past in order to stop repeating the same mistakes. Thomas explores ways to overcome our current state of fragmentation to prevent destructive crises before they occur and shift from rigidity to flow, from polarization to relationality.

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Freedom, Wholeness, and Healing Through Integration

Tue, 28 Oct 2025 00:00:00 -0700

This week, Thomas shares a teaching on trauma healing, ego integration, and embodied trust. Through the lens of traditional spiritual practices and the Tao Te Ching, he explores how trauma disconnects us from inner coherence, and why it’s important to understand and accept the intelligence of our defense patterns instead of simply trying to get rid of them.

He also shares a unique perspective on trust, relationality, and worthiness, and challenges the idea of completely “dissolving the ego” and achieving an ideal self, offering a more holistic approach that highlights the necessary function of the ego and the need for all of our parts to be acknowledged and integrated.

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Serene Thin Elk | Connecting to Our Spiritual Ancestral Lineage

Tue, 21 Oct 2025 00:00:00 -0700

Can connecting with our ancestors help us see the sacredness in moments of deep crisis and grief?

This week, Thomas sits down with Serene Thin Elk, a Lakota/ Dakota mental health and addiction therapist and speaker, for a vulnerable and moving conversation on ancestral healing, intergenerational trauma, grief, and collective wisdom.

Serene shares her journey, driven by a need to understand her own and her community's suffering, including the intergenerational effects of historical trauma on Indigenous peoples. Through grief and loss, she discovered the importance of an integrative, holistic approach to healing, combining Western therapeutic techniques with traditional Indigenous ceremonies and spiritual practices to reconnect with ancestral wisdom and manage dysregulated nervous systems.

She and Thomas discuss the importance of processing personal grief before addressing collective trauma, and explore frameworks for honoring loss and maintaining relationships even after death.

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✨ Serene Thin Elk is a Lakota/Dakota clinical addiction and mental health therapist, mother of four children, and member of the Ihanktonwan and Sicangu Oyate in South Dakota. She is the Community Programs Director with South Dakota Urban Indian Health and seeks to integrate culture and spirituality into community healing models. She is passionate about intergenerational healing and educating others on how historical traumas translate to the present-day experiences of Native people.

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👉 https://boardingschoolhealing.org

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Soren Gordhamer | Spiritually-Informed Technology

Tue, 14 Oct 2025 00:00:00 -0700

Will human wisdom ever be able to match the progress of technology?

This week, Thomas is joined by Soren Gordhamer, the founder of Wisdom 2.0, for a deep dive into spiritual consciousness, technology, and how we can hold on to what’s most essential in life as we face the complex challenges of the digital age.

As humans experience unprecedented levels of global connection, we’re also facing a crisis of loneliness, fragmentation, and polarization. Soren suspects that our “inner technologies of the heart” (wisdom, compassion, and self-awareness) aren’t keeping pace with algorithms, devices, and AI. He and Thomas discuss how regulating our nervous systems and tending to our spiritual practices can help offset the negative effects of technological overload.

But individual evolution isn’t enough. This conversation explores the critical need for tech creators to infuse their work with ethical values and a collective reigning in of greed and unfettered capitalism to prevent a dysregulated society from misusing super-intelligent technologies.

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✨ Soren Gordhamer is founder and host of Wisdom 2.0, a partner at Wisdom Ventures, and author of the new book THE ESSENTIAL: Discovering What Really Matters in an Age of Distraction. For nearly two decades, Soren has been a pioneering force in bridging modern technology with ancient wisdom, demonstrating how we can live mindfully and compassionately in today’s fast-paced world.

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Becoming an Ally of Life

Tue, 07 Oct 2025 00:00:00 -0700

Are you truly existing in the world, or are you trying to escape it?

This week, Thomas shares an exploration into personal and societal evolution. It all begins with creating an inner spaciousness from which we can engage with the world with embodied presence, even when it’s difficult and uncomfortable.

This teaching invites you to see challenges as gateways for transformation where innovation can emerge. Thomas shares how this principle applies on a small scale in our personal lives and on a larger scale as our societies undergo a detox process to digest the wounds of the past.

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Bonus Preview: john a. powell at the Collective Trauma Summit 2025

Thu, 02 Oct 2025 00:00:00 -0700

“Our history is not a history of divide. Our history is a history of coming together in greater and greater numbers.” - john a. powell

In this special bonus episode, Thomas sits down with john a. powell, law professor and Director of the Othering and Belonging Institute, to investigate the root causes and social function of “othering.”

Humans are wired for connection, and according to john, othering is actually an unfortunate byproduct of our desire to belong and survive within a specific group.

He and Thomas explore how storytelling has shaped the trajectory of human evolution, and how we can embrace our inherent interconnectedness to write more inclusive and peaceful stories for our shared future.

If you’d like to hear the full conversation between john and Thomas, it’s one of over 30 talks included in the upcoming Collective Trauma Summit 2025. Click on the link below to register for this free online event.

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✨ Join Thomas, john a. powell, and over 40 expert leaders in trauma-healing, embodiment, somatics, and social change for 7 days of embodied practices, guided reflection, and powerful interviews at the Collective Trauma Summit 2025.

This free, online event will help you deepen your understanding of trauma, learn practices for deeper presence, regulation, and compassion, and connect with a supportive global community.

The Summit begins on October 12.

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✨ john a. powell is Director of the Othering and Belonging Institute and Professor of Law, African American, and Ethnic Studies at UC Berkeley. He has led institutes focused on race and poverty at Ohio State and the University of Minnesota, and formerly served as National Legal Director of the ACLU. A co-founder of the Poverty & Race Research Action Council, he is known for developing frameworks of “targeted universalism” and “othering and belonging” to effect equity-based interventions.

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👉 https://belonging.berkeley.edu

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Pádraig Ó Tuama | Healing Spiritual Trauma

Tue, 30 Sep 2025 00:00:00 -0700

Can creative expression help us return to ourselves after we’ve experienced spiritual trauma?

This week, Thomas sits down with Pádraig Ó Tuama, a distinguished Irish Poet, theologian, and host of the podcast Poetry Unbound, for a profound exploration of spiritual trauma. Pádraig shares about the specific heartbreak of being betrayed by a spiritual community, drawing from his own intense experiences as a young gay man whose sexuality was demonized by his church.

Pádraig and Thomas discuss the intertwining of religious identity with politics and colonial history, particularly in Ireland, and share practical, philosophical, spiritual, and artistic approaches to healing from this type of trauma. At the heart of this conversation is the regenerative power of creativity and how art, poetry, and other forms of self-expression are essential to reestablishing a healthy relationship to your identity and your personal faith after trauma.

Pádraig also reads his poem “The Exorcism” from his “Seven Deadly Sonnets” collection.

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✨ Join Thomas, Pádraig, and over 40 expert leaders in trauma-healing, embodiment, somatics, and social change for 7 days of embodied practices, guided reflection, and powerful interviews at the Collective Trauma Summit 2025.

This free, online event will help you deepen your understanding of trauma, learn practices for deeper presence, regulation, and compassion, and connect with a supportive global community.

The Summit begins on October 12.

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✨ Pádraig Ó Tuama is a poet with interests in conflict, language, and religion. He presents Poetry Unbound from On Being Studios and has published two anthologies. In early 2025, Copper Canyon Press published Kitchen Hymns, his fourth poetry collection. A freelance artist, one of Ó Tuama’s projects is poet in residence with the Cooperation and Conflict Resolution Center at Columbia University. He splits his time between Belfast and New York City.

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Rae Riedel | Harnessing the Power of Your Breath

Tue, 23 Sep 2025 00:00:00 -0700

Can you change your consciousness by changing the way that you breathe?

This week, Thomas is joined by Rae Riedel, the co-founder, primary educator, and facilitator trainer of Integrative Breath. She’s also a senior student of Thomas’, having trained with him for over 13 years. Their conversation deeply explores the transformative power of breath work, bridging ancient mystical traditions with cutting-edge science.

Breath is both a core element of spiritual practice and a physical process that directs the functioning of our nervous systems. It impacts how our brain stores memories, especially traumatic ones, and therefore plays a huge role in trauma healing and nervous system regulation.

Rae and Thomas discuss how breath is also a portal into your unconscious mind and the depth of your spirit. Tune in to learn how to breathe in a way that supports somatic healing, connection with life, and a renewed feeling of vitality.

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✨ Rae Riedel is Co-founder and primary educator and trainer for Integrative Breath. She weaves 35 years of professional experience and personal exploration in the worlds of alternative medicine, mind-body/consciousness, and natural healing into her teaching and somatic therapy practice.

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👉 https://integrative-breath.com/

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Embracing the Unknown on the Spiritual Path

Tue, 16 Sep 2025 00:00:00 -0700

The beauty of the spiritual path lies in not having a fixed destination.

This week, Thomas Hübl shares a teaching that opens us to a different mode of knowing—one that is emergent, direct, and arises from surrendering to its flow rather than attempting to control it.

Tune in for a radical redefinition of the spiritual journey and learn how to embrace your unique agency in co-creating reality, refine your inner listening, and deepen your understanding of key mystical principles.

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Esther Perel & Jack Saul | Relational Healing to Transform Trauma

Tue, 09 Sep 2025 00:00:00 -0700

This week, we’re revisiting Thomas’ conversation with Esther Perel, a renowned psychotherapist, NYT bestselling author, and host of the podcast “Where Should We Begin?” They’re also joined by her husband, Jack Saul, an artist, author, and psychologist. It’s a deep discussion on working with trauma survivors, the healing power of creativity, and addressing the impacts of intergenerational trauma in therapy.

Esther defines the “erotic” as a feeling of aliveness and vibrancy that transcends the context of romance. She shares how embracing this fundamental part of our humanity helps us survive traumatic circumstances and release the constriction and expectation of harm that often accompanies trauma.

This is a powerful conversation that highlights how individual healing is deeply intertwined with collective healing, moving our understanding of therapeutic experiences beyond the isolated office into a shared space of transformation. It’s one of our favorite conversations that we aired in the early days of Point of Relation, and we’re excited to share it with you.

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✨ Psychotherapist and New York Times bestselling author Esther Perel is recognized as one of today’s most insightful and original voices on modern relationships. Fluent in nine languages, she helms a therapy practice in New York City and serves as an organizational consultant for Fortune 500 companies around the world. Her celebrated TED Talks have garnered more than 40 million views, and her bestselling books, Mating in Captivity and The State of Affairs, are global phenomena translated into more than 30 languages. Esther is also the host of the hit podcast “Where Should We Begin?” which is available on Apple Podcasts.

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👉 https://www.estherperel.com

✨ Jack Saul Ph.D., is the founding director of the International Trauma Studies Program (ITSP), a research and training institute based in New York City. He has served on the faculties of New York University School of Medicine, Department of Psychiatry, the New School for Social Research, Clinical Psychology Program, and Columbia University, Mailman School of Public Health. As a psychologist and family therapist, he has created a number of programs both in NYC and abroad for populations that have endured disaster, war, torture, and political violence. He’s the author of Collective Trauma, Collective Healing, and has helmed a public arts and conversation project entitled "Moral Injuries of War".

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👉 https://www.jacksaul.org

✨ Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

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Unifying Science and Spirituality

Tue, 02 Sep 2025 00:00:00 -0700

Can we create more richness and harmony in our lives by synthesizing scientific and spiritual ways of knowing?

This week, Thomas shares his thoughts on this question and explains how bridging this divide into a unified understanding of reality might be the key to unlocking the full spectrum of human experience and intelligence.

Tune in to explore how trauma creates a false sense of separation between these two worlds, and learn how practicing presence and attuning with the wholeness of the information field can create greater intimacy with life and open us to profound revelations and paradigm-shifting innovations.

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Bonus Preview: Pico Iyer at the 2025 Collective Trauma Summit

Thu, 28 Aug 2025 00:00:00 -0700

Today, we’re sharing an excerpt from Thomas’ conversation with acclaimed travel writer, author, and speaker Pico Iyer at the upcoming Collective Trauma Summit.

Pico’s extensive travels and journeys into the realms of Buddhism and meditation have deeply inspired and informed his creative process. They also brought him into close contact with another artist and meditation practitioner, the legendary musician Leonard Cohen.

In this snippet from his Summit talk, Pico shares his experience witnessing Cohen's dedicated Zen practice and how Cohen later brought this sacred, surrendered quality from his meditation practice into his concert performances, transforming them into communal, sacred experiences. Within this experience, there are profound lessons about accepting impermanence and surrendering to something beyond your individual self.

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✨ Pico Iyer is the author of 17 books of fiction and nonfiction, translated into 23 languages, on subjects ranging from globalism and mysticism to the Dalai Lama. He is a longtime essayist for Time, The New York Times, and over 250 publications worldwide. Born in Oxford to Indian parents, he was educated at Eton, Oxford, and Harvard, and has lived in Japan since 1987.

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Susanne Ahlendorf and Martin Bruders | Trauma-Informed Meditation

Tue, 26 Aug 2025 00:00:00 -0700

A deep meditation practice doesn’t help you bypass your problems; it helps you move through them with presence and embodied awareness.

This week, Thomas is joined by his dear friends, longtime students, and meditation instructors Susanne Ahlendorf and Martin Bruders, for a deep dive into the healing power of meditation and how to integrate your meditation practice into every moment of your life.

Learn to transform your practice into a way of living and find deeper intimacy with your life’s journey, your spirit, and yourself. Explore the importance of trauma-informed approaches and community support in meditation, and find out how this important element of a spiritual practice can lead to larger-scale social progress and collective healing.

And if you want to go even deeper on this topic and gain more wisdom and insights to carry into your meditation practice, join Martin and Susanne this September for their 4-week live online course: Deepening Meditation: Stillness, Heart, and Relationality.

Whether you’re a longtime practitioner or a first-time meditator, this course will teach you how to access a meditative state no matter what life brings you and open yourself to deeper connections and inner wisdom.

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Francis Weller | Embracing the Wisdom of Grief

Tue, 19 Aug 2025 00:00:00 -0700

How does crossing the threshold of grief open the gateway to other potent emotions?

In part two of their conversation on grief, healing, and social transformation, Thomas and Francis Weller discuss what it means to become an apprentice to grief, how communal healing leads to individual and social maturity, and why it’s so important to lean into our interconnectedness when times are tough.

Explore what’s lacking in Western cultures’ approach to processing grief and what might change if we create collective spaces, led by seasoned elders, to connect through our shared sorrows.

Can we reclaim our humanity and remember how to live in harmony with the world? Francis believes that we can, but we must have the courage to look inward, sit in the heat of our own grief, and not turn away.

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✨ Francis Weller, MFT, is a psychotherapist, author, and soul activist. He is a master of synthesizing diverse streams of thought from psychology, anthropology, mythology, alchemy, Indigenous cultures, and poetic traditions. His books, including The Wild Edge of Sorrow, have introduced the healing work of ritual to thousands of people. Francis founded and directs WisdomBridge, an organization that offers educational programs that seek to integrate the wisdom from Indigenous cultures with the insights and knowledge gathered from Western poetic, psychological, and spiritual traditions. For more than forty years, Francis has worked as a psychotherapist and developed a style he calls soul-centered psychotherapy.

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Bonus Preview: Cheryl Strayed at the Collective Trauma Summit

Thu, 14 Aug 2025 00:00:00 -0700

Bestselling author Cheryl Strayed believes that writing your truth can set you free.

Today we’re sharing an excerpt from her conversation with Thomas at the upcoming Collective Trauma Summit. In it, she shares about a profound healing act that helped her process deep grief and trauma…writing. More specifically, the way that writing demands raw honesty and vulnerability, revealing our deepest truths about our human experiences.

It’s also an incredibly effective way to combat the isolation and loneliness that often accompany grief or trauma. In Cheryl’s case, sharing her truth in her book, Wild, inspired people to reach out to her with their own stories of loss and pain, creating unexpected, deeply authentic connections. And it’s through these connections that we can build much-needed shared spaces for healing individual and collective trauma.

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✨ Cheryl Strayed is the author of the #1 New York Times bestseller Wild: From Lost to Found on the Pacific Crest Trail, which was adapted into an Oscar-nominated film. Her other books include Tiny Beautiful Things, Torch, and Brave Enough. Her work has appeared in The Best American Essays, The New York Times, and Vogue, among others. Also a podcast host and playwright, Strayed lives in Portland, Oregon.

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Francis Weller | Grief Rituals and Soul Hygiene

Tue, 12 Aug 2025 00:00:00 -0700

What if opening yourself to grief could actually help you feel more alive?

This week, Thomas sits down with psychotherapist, writer, and soul activist Francis Weller for a powerful conversation about befriending grief, embracing healing rituals in collective spaces, and the power of the past to transform the future.

It’s so common for people in pain to turn away from it, to avoid their grief and sorrow, or to think that they can muscle through in isolation. But in the deep wisdom that Francis shares here, the opposite is true. Our personal grief, as well as the trauma inherited from our ancestors, yearns for a social container where it can be safely and openly witnessed, processed, and integrated.

The beauty in this is what comes from this relationship to grief, and that’s access to a vast wellspring of inspiration, intuition, and renewed vitality. Francis and Thomas dive deep into how we can open ourselves to these processes and how they can transmute collective sorrow into profound societal transformation.

The second half of Thomas and Francis' conversation will air next week.

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✨ Francis Weller, MFT, is a psychotherapist, author, and soul activist. He is a master of synthesizing diverse streams of thought from psychology, anthropology, mythology, alchemy, Indigenous cultures, and poetic traditions. His books, including The Wild Edge of Sorrow, have introduced the healing work of ritual to thousands of people. Francis founded and directs WisdomBridge, an organization that offers educational programs that seek to integrate the wisdom from Indigenous cultures with the insights and knowledge gathered from Western poetic, psychological, and spiritual traditions. For more than forty years, Francis has worked as a psychotherapist and developed a style he calls soul-centered psychotherapy.

Connect with Francis here:

👉 www.francisweller.net

Order Francis' book, In the Absence of the Ordinary, here:

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Dr. Terry Real | Daring to Embrace Intimacy in a Fractured World

Tue, 05 Aug 2025 00:00:00 -0700

Have you ever pulled away from someone you love—not because you didn’t care, but because closeness felt too painful?

This week, Thomas is joined by renowned couples therapy expert Dr. Terry Real for a conversation on how trauma affects our relationships with ourselves, our intimate partners, and the world at large—and how we can heal those wounds.

Intimacy isn’t just something you share with other people; it’s also an authentic connection with yourself. Thomas and Terry explore how our relationships are impacted by trauma from the past, why we become triggered in the present, and what it takes to establish trust, safety, and understanding.

These are essential lessons for anyone who wants to shift from conflict to connection, both in your personal life and in the way that you impact the world around you.

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✨ Dr. Terry Real has been a practicing family therapist for more than thirty years, and his work has been featured on many major news outlets, TV shows, and in numerous academic publications. His most recent book Us: Getting Past You & Me to Build a More Loving Relationship, is a New York Times Bestseller. Terry founded the Relational Life Institute (RLI), which is dedicated to teaching the general public how to live relational lives and to teaching mental health professionals the practice of Relational Life Therapy.

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Bonus Replay: Andrea Gibson | Befriending Mortality

Thu, 31 Jul 2025 00:00:00 -0700

To honor the life of beloved poet and beautiful human being Andrea Gibson, we're sharing their episode of the podcast again.

Andrea's work, energy, vulnerability, and exceptional passion for life were inspiring for all of us on the Point of Relation team, and we were so sad to hear of their recent passing.

In this conversation with Thomas, Andrea speaks from the heart about courageously embracing death and grief, the spiritually transformative power of facing your mortality, the absolute necessity of creative self-expression, and how to face the unknown with curiosity, wonder, and awe.

And if you're not familiar with Andrea's work, we highly recommend you track down their books of poetry at your local bookstore, or visit: https://andreagibson.com

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Amandine Roche | Inner Peace for Collective Healing

Tue, 29 Jul 2025 00:00:00 -0700

Can healing yourself really help heal the world?

This week, Thomas sits down with Amandine Roche, a human rights and women’s empowerment expert with more than 20 years of experience with the United Nations and European Union. Amandine’s extensive work in conflict zones worldwide was driven by a deep, personal quest for healing from childhood trauma.

But the work itself took a toll on her mental and physical health, leading her on a journey of healing that uncovered an essential core truth that she now works to spread: we must have inner peace if we want to work for outer peace.

Amandine shares beautifully honest details from her own personal struggles and offers a unique perspective on embracing femininity in human rights work and all forms of leadership. She and Thomas explore the need for collective spaces and new skills to digest world events and prevent the repetition of painful social and political patterns.

It’s an empowering conversation that highlights the absolute necessity of self-alignment and inner healing in humanitarian work and any type of effort toward peace and harmony in a world in crisis.

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👉 https://youtu.be/TiD4qCktYCY

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Learn the practices to heal past wounds and more deeply connect with yourself, your partner, and the world at large.

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✨ Amandine Roche is a Human Rights and women’s empowerment expert with 20 years of experience in conflict contexts across Asia, Africa, Europe, and South America. She’s worked with the United Nations Department of Peacekeeping, the European Commission, and other organizations.

She’s an author, photographer, explorer, public speaker, social entrepreneur, and yoga and meditation teacher. Amandine is also a healer and a Search Inside Yourself teacher.

She’s the founder of the Amanuddin Foundation in Afghanistan and the Inner Peacekeeping Program for humanitarians on the front line. She is now creating the Inner Peace Corps organization to bring the tools of inner peace to refugee camps.

Learn more about and connect with Amandine here:

👉 https://www.amandineroche.com

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Bonus: Aligning Your Words and Your Energy

Thu, 24 Jul 2025 00:00:00 -0700

Do your words always match your inner truth?

In this short teaching, Thomas Hübl shares simple but effective practices to help you tune in to your own energy with presence and clarity so that you can express yourself with genuine intention. This type of energetic alignment is a powerful way to connect with your creative potential and express yourself with full embodiment.

It’s also a way to transform the communication in your relationships, and discover truths about yourself that previously remained hidden in your unconscious mind. We hope you’ll tune in to help unlock your authentic voice and create more coherence in your life.

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Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

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The Great Detox

Tue, 22 Jul 2025 17:22:00 -0700

What happens when we see our individual struggles reflected in humanity’s collective crises? How does our individual healing create collective healing?

This week, Thomas shares why we need to unearth the trauma that’s deeply entrenched in our societies and cultures so that it can be processed, integrated, and transformed into growth. We may be familiar with this process in our own healing journey—now it’s time to do the work as a collective.

Thomas explores a technique that he calls “systemic sensing,” a way of feeling through archaeological and ancestral layers to bring regulation to the collective nervous system as we reckon with global challenges.

This episode is an invitation to be a part of a global detox—a difficult but essential process that can generate post-traumatic learning, development, and even flourishing.

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Dr. Judith Lewis Herman | Understanding Complex PTSD

Tue, 15 Jul 2025 07:00:00 -0700

“For complex PTSD, you have to establish a relationship. And only after trust has been established can you do the trauma-focused work.”

This week, Thomas sits down with Dr. Judith Lewis Herman, an author and senior lecturer in psychiatry and Harvard Medical School, to explore her groundbreaking work on the psychology and social and cultural aspects of Complex PTSD, or CPTSD. Unlike the better-known diagnosis of PTSD, CPTSD arises from prolonged, repeated trauma that erodes one’s sense of self and ability to trust.

So, how should we approach healing and therapy for this uniquely challenging diagnosis?

Dr. Herman believes there is hope, and it comes from the healing power of relationships…a tough pill to swallow for those whose trauma arose from abusive or coercively controlling relationships. But therein lies the key to healing—a therapeutic bond where the patient’s experience is validated, their safety is paramount, and trust is carefully built up through mutuality.

But it’s not just therapy where healing can occur. Thomas and Dr. Herman discuss the importance of acknowledgment for people who’ve experienced ongoing trauma and how lifting shame from victims and survivors and transferring it to the perpetrators is an essential shift with powerful healing potential. They also explore social movements, like the women's and civil rights movements, that can lead to helpful reforms and the development of new support systems for trauma survivors.

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✨ Judith Lewis Herman, M.D., is a Senior Lecturer in Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and was Director of Training at the Victims of Violence Program at Cambridge Hospital. She is the author of multiple award-winning books, including Truth and Repair: How Trauma Survivors Envision Justice. She has received numerous awards, including a Guggenheim Fellowship and the Lifetime Achievement Award from the International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies. In 2007, she was named Distinguished Life Fellow of the American Psychiatric Association.

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Karma and the Movement of the Soul

Tue, 08 Jul 2025 07:00:00 -0700

Are you tired of life feeling heavy, stuck in repetitive patterns dictated by the past?

This week, Thomas explores the revolutionary idea that life is a fluid, rewritable process. Discover how awakening to the Kundalini stream connects you to the ever-present flow of creation, allowing you to redefine existence by its pure presence, not a chain of cause and effect.

This journey is a continuous path of refining your present experience and embracing movement as the very essence of life, transforming daily challenges into powerful opportunities for deeper insight and presence.

Learn spiritual practices and integration tools to help you grapple with the heaviness of the world’s karma, realign with divine creation, and experience profound abundance and freedom.

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Marco Lambertini | Reconnecting With Nature…Before it’s Too Late

Tue, 01 Jul 2025 07:00:00 -0700

“Nature positive is people positive. Without harmony with nature, there won't be a bright future for people.”

This week, Thomas Hübl sits down with Marco Lambertini, the Convener of the Nature Positive Initiative, to explore humanity's deep, inherent connection to nature, what’s at stake if climate destruction continues to accelerate, and what we can do to stop it.

Marco’s Nature Positive movement is working on actionable measures to reverse nature loss by 2030, bringing more forests, fish, and healthy ecosystems back to our planet. Despite the massive challenges we’re facing, he believes that we have the understanding, technology, and means to achieve this goal, but we can’t do it without both personal and systemic transformation.

The future of our planet’s ecosystem is intrinsically linked to our own well-being, economy, and future. This discussion is a powerful call to action, reminding us that this generation holds the historic opportunity to put humanity on a completely different, more harmonious course.

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✨ Marco Lambertini is the Convener of the Nature Positive Initiative. His experience and career range from ecological field research to high-level advocacy and international policy, nature reserve management, integrated conservation and development projects, environmental education, NGO development, communications, and campaigning in many countries all over the world.

Connect with Marco here:

👉 https://www.naturepositive.org

Learn about the Nature Positive Initiative's project to align state of nature metrics here: 👉 https://www.naturepositive.org/metrics And you can read the first ever Nature Positive book 👉 https://www.naturepositive.org/book

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Elise Loehnen | Finding Connection in Crisis and Conflict

Tue, 24 Jun 2025 07:00:00 -0700

Can we approach discomfort and tension as opportunities for growth? Can humanity mature beyond divisive conflict?

This week, Thomas is joined by much loved returning guest, NYT bestselling author, and the host of the podcast, Pulling the Thread, Elise Loehnen, to hash out the concerning fragmentation that feels inescapable right now and explore what we can do to combat it.

As we face past and current collective traumas, massive information overload, and current events that overwhelm our nervous systems, it’s not hard to see how we got here.

Thomas and Elise offer hopeful frameworks for navigating these challenges and bolstering our ability to hold tension, engage in mature disagreement, and ultimately, re-humanize each other through deeper understanding and self-regulation.

This goes beyond surface-level “wellness” to incorporate psychological, spiritual, and practical approaches that we can adopt to build a stronger foundation for our individual and collective futures. It’s an inspiring conversation that we hope you’ll tune in for.

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✨ Elise Loehnen is a New York Times bestselling author and the host of the podcast, Pulling the Thread, where she interviews cultural luminaries about the big questions of today. She’s the author of the New York Times bestselling On Our Best Behavior: The Seven Deadly Sins and the Price Women Pay to be Good. She has also co-written 12 books. She was the chief content officer of goop, where she co-hosted The goop Podcast and The goop Lab on Netflix, and led the brand’s content strategy and programming. She was previously the editorial projects director of Conde Nast Traveler and the editor at large and deputy editor of Lucky Magazine, where she served as the on-air spokesperson.

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BONUS: The Mysticism of Space

Thu, 19 Jun 2025 07:00:00 -0700

Thomas explores the foundational spiritual building blocks of life, with a particular focus on the concept of space. More than just a void that we occupy physically, space is a key element of life that we co-create. And we need space—for reflection, digestion, integration, and nervous system regulation.

Get a bigger picture perspective on your spiritual journey and learn essential tools for connecting to your inner wisdom, resilience, compassion, and intelligence.

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Dr. Stephen Porges | Safety, Connection, and Polyvagal Theory

Tue, 17 Jun 2025 07:00:00 -0700

What is Polyvagal Theory and how does it explain the science of feelings?

This week, Thomas sits down with Dr. Stephen Porges, a professor, author, and the originator of Polyvagal Theory.

Dr. Porges’ theory offers radical yet practical methods for calming our physical (or “biobehavioral”) states so that our mind can follow suit. Traditionally, the opposite approach has been the norm, but research increasingly indicates that the body should lead the charge.

In this conversation, it’s made clear that safety, connection, and co-regulation are essential for this type of nervous system regulation. Thomas and Dr. Porges explore what’s needed to create an environment that supports healing, and how Polyvagal Theory enhances our ability to handle crises and heal trauma, anxiety, and physical ailments linked to nervous system dysregulation.

Dr. Porges also shares a cutting-edge acoustic technique for trauma healing that could lead to a real paradigm shift in psychology and therapy.

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✨ Stephen W. Porges, Ph.D. is a Distinguished University Scientist at Indiana University where he is the founding director of the Traumatic Stress Research Consortium in the Kinsey Institute, and recipient of a National Institute of Mental Health Research Scientist Development Award. He is the originator of the Polyvagal Theory, and the creator of a music-based intervention, the Safe and Sound Protocol™.

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Embodying the Light of the Soul

Tue, 10 Jun 2025 07:00:00 -0700

“The person doesn't have a soul, the soul has a person.”

This week, Thomas goes deep in a spiritual teaching that explores the essence of the soul—an energy field that enfolds our consciousness and our life and is fundamentally connected to the collective and the planet.

Through embodied spiritual practice, we can become spacious enough to let in divine light, ground it in the physical world, and open ourselves to subtle capacities and deeper sensing. Using these practices, we also become more resilient to challenges, and can face uncertainty with creative energy instead of anxiety.

Thomas also shares how embodied presence is essential to healing and helps to repair the fragmentation that trauma creates.

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Dr. Roger Walsh | Attuning to Our Inner Wisdom

Tue, 03 Jun 2025 07:00:00 -0700

Can humanity’s ethical and spiritual maturity catch up to our technological progress? Or will this gap in development lead to catastrophe?

To explore our collective path forward, Thomas sits down with Dr. Roger Walsh, a Professor of Psychiatry, Philosophy, and Anthropology, and the host of the Deep Transformation podcast. Their conversation mines the depths of our inner worlds, finding hope in the idea that kindness, generosity, and altruism are more inherent and natural to humans than selfishness, separateness, and over-consumption.

Our civilization is at risk, but man-made crises can be unmade by deep collective learning, cultivating inner awareness, embracing ethical living, and integrating historical trauma. Thomas and Dr. Walsh draw insights from global wisdom traditions and share contemplative practices and practical steps that we can take to help humanity “level-up” our maturity and spiritual consciousness.

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✨ Dr. Roger Walsh is a professor of psychiatry at the University of California, a meditation student and researcher, a Tibetan Buddhist Lama, author of books such as Essential Spirituality: The Seven Central Practices, and cohost of the podcast Deep Transformation: Self-Society-Spirit, which is ranked in the top 2% of the world's podcasts.

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Kosha Joubert | Global Social Witnessing

Tue, 27 May 2025 07:00:00 -0700

What if there was a practice that helped us collectively witness and digest world events without becoming overwhelmed, indifferent, or numb? What if this practice could lead to new levels of collective healing?

Thomas sits down with Kosha Joubert to discuss this revolutionary practice, called Global Social Witnessing. Kosha is the CEO of the Pocket Project, a non-profit organization co-founded by Thomas that’s dedicated to growing a culture of trauma-informed care.

Global Social Witnessing addresses our current lack of societal rituals for processing traumatic world events. It offers a way to move beyond individual overwhelm to collectively face challenges with greater presence, compassion, and agency for positive change. It joins people across borders and cultures to co-regulate and bring an embodied awareness to our collective nervous system. And you can do it from the comfort of your own home!

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✨Kosha Anja Joubert serves as CEO of the Pocket Project, dedicated to growing a culture of trauma-informed care. Kosha has worked extensively in the fields of systems regeneration, intercultural collaboration, and trauma-informed leadership. She grew up in South Africa under Apartheid and has been dedicated to transformational edgework ever since. She has authored several books and received the Dadi Janki Award (2017) for engaging spirituality in life and work and the One World Award (2020) for building the Global Ecovillage Network to a worldwide movement reaching out to over 6000 communities on all continents.

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BONUS: Connecting to the Heart

Thu, 22 May 2025 07:00:00 -0700

In this teaching, Thomas Hubl focuses on the heart as not just a physical organ but a central hub for emotional maturity, spiritual development, mind-body integration, and connection to universal intelligence.

He offers a guided contemplative practice to lead you into the depth of your heart space so that you can listen deeper to your own truths, integrate mind and body, become a deeper listener for others, and better regulate your nervous system.

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Lama Rod Owens | Collective Liberation and Spiritual Healing

Tue, 20 May 2025 07:00:00 -0700

Can we metabolize our pain to create an entry point into liberation? How can spirituality support us in this process?

This week, Thomas sits down with Buddhist minister, author, and activist Lama Rod Owens to share visions for collective liberation, the importance of reconnecting with Indigenous worldviews, sacred ecology, and unseen worlds, and strategies to overcome hopelessness and despair as we work to dismantle harmful systems.

They explore the intersection of individual and collective trauma, the connection between spiritual awakening and social justice, and the importance of meeting suffering and discomfort with kindness and presence instead of bypassing it for short-term relief.

It’s a wide-ranging and inspiring conversation that bridges the mystical and the practical, and we hope you’ll tune in.

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✨ Lama Rod Owens is a Black Buddhist Southern Queen and international influencer with a Master of Divinity degree in Buddhist Studies from Harvard Divinity School. He has over 11 years teaching experience, and is an author of books like Love and Rage: The Path of Liberation through Anger and Radical Dharma: Talking Race, Love and Liberation, which he co-authored. His teachings focus on freedom and radical self-care. Known for his engaging and inclusive approach, he has been featured by various national and international media outlets.

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Dr. MaryCatherine McDonald | Finding Joy After Pain

Tue, 13 May 2025 07:00:00 -0700

Trauma makes it difficult to feel joy, but you CAN experience it again, even if you’re in the early stages of your healing journey.

This week, Thomas sits down with trauma researcher, life coach, and the author of Unbroken and The Joy Reset, Dr. MaryCatherine McDonald, to redefine joy, examine how trauma steals it from us, and explore how we can learn to let it into our lives again.

Dr. McDonald has identified six “thieves of joy”—coping mechanisms that helped us to survive trauma and hardship, but now make it difficult to relax, let go, and feel the full spectrum of emotions. She shares strategies to release guilt, shame, and hypervigilance and allow good things to happen without bracing for the worst.

Dr. McDonald’s newest book, The Joy Reset: Six Ways Trauma Steals Happiness and How to Win it Back, is out now wherever books are sold.

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✨ MaryCatherine McDonald, PhD, is a research professor and life coach who specializes in the psychology of trauma, stress, and resilience. She has been researching, lecturing, and publishing on the neuroscience, psychology, and lived experience of trauma and stress for over a decade. She is passionate about destigmatizing trauma, stress, and mental health issues and reframing our understanding of trauma.

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Resilient Presence

Tue, 06 May 2025 07:00:00 -0700

Thomas explores a holistic, interdependent approach to well-being to help us navigate uncertainty, manage stress, and become a source of stability for ourselves and those around us.

In times of global uncertainty, it’s essential that we come together—to pause, reflect, and reconnect. Thomas shares insights and practices to support us in cultivating the inner resilience needed to meet life’s challenges with greater presence, clarity, and care.

Now more than ever, we need resilience to remain grounded in stressful moments. Thomas explores how we can strengthen our ability to heal, adapt, and support others, creating a ripple effect that is felt by our friends, loved ones, and ultimately, the whole collective.

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Dr. Terry Real | Healing Intergenerational Trauma Through Our Relationships

Tue, 29 Apr 2025 07:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by Terry Real, an acclaimed family therapist, bestselling author, and the founder of The Relational Life Institute. Terry shares insights from his years of work with couples and families struggling to repair their relationships, and how practicing what he calls “Relational Mindfulness” is a game-changer for anyone whose past traumas are negatively impacting their current connections.

As Terry explains, the work of relationships is not day-by-day; it’s moment-to-moment. And in each challenging moment, we have a choice: give in to our knee-jerk reactions and maladaptive trauma responses, or take a step back so that a more mature part of ourselves can emerge.

When we choose presence, collaboration, and interdependence over reactivity, conflict, and toxic individualism, we don’t just heal ourselves and our relationships—we stop the flow of intergenerational trauma in its tracks, and this dynamic shift becomes a part of our legacy.

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Dr. Terry Real has been a practicing family therapist for more than thirty years, and his work has been featured on many major news outlets, TV shows, and in numerous academic publications. His most recent book Us: Getting Past You & Me to Build a More Loving Relationship, is a New York Times Bestseller. Terry founded the Relational Life Institute (RLI), which is dedicated to teaching the general public how to live relational lives and to teaching mental health professionals the practice of Relational Life Therapy.

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Debbie Levin | Green Media and Personal Environmentalism

Tue, 22 Apr 2025 07:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by Debbie Levin, CEO of the Environmental Media Association, to discuss the role of media in shaping sustainability consciousness and how to effectively communicate about environmental issues.

Debbie shares the importance of being gracious and non-judgmental when sharing knowledge on how to live a healthy, clean, and sustainable life. She explains how her organization has successfully leveraged celebrities’ platforms to spread awareness on crucial environmental issues and how the “Emma Green Seal” has influenced TV and movie productions to operate more sustainably.

She and Thomas also explore the impact of the LA fires on both the entertainment industry and the larger climate change dialogue. This conversation covers a range of pressing environmental issues, but ultimately concludes on a note of hopefulness–that we all want our families and loved ones to be safe and healthy, and we can make a difference by starting from that common ground.

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Debbie Levin is the CEO of the Environmental Media Association (EMA), where she has spent over two decades leveraging the power of entertainment to drive environmental change. Under her leadership, EMA has launched initiatives like the EMA Green Seal for sustainable productions and EMA IMPACT, establishing the organization as a leading voice in sustainability within the entertainment industry.

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BONUS: Humanity's Healing Orchestra

Thu, 17 Apr 2025 07:00:00 -0700

Thomas explores the qualities of leadership and collaboration that are needed to heal collective trauma. He shares how each of us plays a unique role—like musicians in an orchestra—contributing our distinct talents to a larger symphony of healing and transformation. Thomas addresses the impact of fear-based systems rooted in hierarchical power and advocates for shifting toward creative, relational models of leadership.

He stresses the importance of self-reflection, community, and attuning to the self-healing mechanism of life as pathways to building a collective healing movement.

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Bayo Akomolafe, PhD | Bold Frontiers of Spiritual Healing

Tue, 15 Apr 2025 07:00:00 -0700

Thomas Hübl sits down with celebrated speaker, posthumanist thinker, poet, teacher, and author Bayo Akomolafe to explore the leading edges of spiritual thinking and human identity. Bayo is a deeply experimental thinker, informed by the African cosmologies of the Yoruba and Igbo traditions. He leads an exploration into a new paradigm of healing that de-centers the individual to focus on the village, on the communal.

He and Thomas discuss how modernity, especially in Western cultures, creates a false dichotomy between spirituality and science, pathologizes behavior that should instead be integrated, and offers a reductive, motionless view of the self. Bayo offers a different perspective, one in which the self or the psyche is always moving in an interconnected dance with our lineages, with evolution, and with the mysteries of the material realm.

Bayo also explores how modern spiritual models contribute to systems of oppression, stressing the importance of spaciousness, non-conformity, and relationality in spiritual thinking and practice.

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Bayo Akomolafe is a widely celebrated international speaker, posthumanist thinker, poet, teacher, public intellectual, essayist, and author of books including These Wilds Beyond our Fences: Letters to My Daughter on Humanity’s Search for Home and We Will Tell our Own Story: The Lions of Africa Speak. Bayo is the founder of The Emergence Network and host of the online post-activist course, ‘We Will Dance with Mountains’. He currently lectures at Pacifica Graduate Institute, California, and the University of Vermont, Burlington, Vermont.

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Regulate to Resonate

Tue, 08 Apr 2025 07:00:00 -0700

Thomas explores the relationship between inner space and outer space, examining the ecosystemic impacts of nervous system regulation, presence, and maturity.

He shares how contemplative practices, such as meditation, help develop the parts of our brain that promote regulation, the importance of developing a daily practice, and the maturity in knowing when to slow down and take a step back from stressful situations, news, and social media.

Tune in to learn how our individual regulation and presence can “go viral”—creating a detoxifying effect that can help end harmful systemic patterns and promote healing on the individual, ancestral, and collective levels.

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Diane Musho Hamilton | Waking Up & Growing Up

Tue, 01 Apr 2025 07:00:00 -0700

Thomas and Zen teacher, mediator, and author Diane Musho Hamilton explore two key spiritual concepts—waking up and growing up— and why they’re so crucial in our rapidly changing world. Diane shares personal stories of loss, challenge, and resilience, and how contemplative practice and emotional development became essential tools for navigating adversity.

They discuss spiritual practice, recognizing interconnectedness, and conflict resolution as necessary pathways for individual and collective growth. They also touch on the impact of technology, the importance of community, the role of ritual, and how healing personal trauma can scale up to have a larger social impact.

Diane offers deep insights into consciousness and integration, the benefits and limits of meditation, and the vulnerability of spiritual communities when they lack tools to navigate conflict and manipulation.

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Diane Musho Hamilton is an award-winning mediator, author, and teacher of Zen meditation. Her next book is Waking Up and Growing Up: Spiritual Cross-Training for an Evolving World.

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Bonus Meditation: Mapping the Mind

Thu, 27 Mar 2025 07:00:00 -0700

In this guided meditation, Thomas invites you to explore the current state of your mind. Explore your attachment to your thoughts and welcome a greater sense of presence and curiosity.

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Loretta J. Ross | Cultivating Collective Liberation

Tue, 25 Mar 2025 07:00:00 -0700

Thomas and award-winning reproductive justice and human rights leader Loretta J. Ross explore how we can address inequality, oppression, and hate in an atmosphere of political division and fast-paced technological progress.

Loretta shares experiences that helped her form more effective strategies to solve social problems collectively and build inclusive movements that fight oppression with love, hope, and community instead of hate, anger, and vengeance.

She and Thomas discuss the concept of “Calling In” – an accountability process that focuses on respect, engagement, and equal partnership, and how this is more effective than the adversarial “calling out” that we’re used to. Loretta explains how this practice can help social justice movements embrace diversity of thought and stop destructive in-fighting.

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Loretta J. Ross is a renowned activist, scholar, and pioneer of the 1970’s movement to end violence against women that laid the groundwork for the #MeToo movement. She founded the first U.S. center for creative human rights education and has deprogrammed hate group members, inspiring her upcoming book, Calling In the Calling Out Culture. She was inducted into the National Women's Hall of Fame in 2023.

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The Spiritual Flow of Healing

Tue, 18 Mar 2025 07:00:00 -0700

Thomas dives deep into the relationship between spirituality and healing, exploring how maturing our relationship with the divine provides incredible resources on our journey of self-discovery and ethical development.

This teaching expands on the core spiritual principle of grace, its relationship to forgiveness, and the importance of owning your choices and transgressions as you expand your consciousness and connection to spirit.

Thomas explores how to regain connection to our spiritual essence after pain and trauma disrupt it. When crises put us out of synch, those broken parts allow light to come in, and new opportunities to emerge…if we’re open to them. Life wants to heal, and a strong spiritual practice can activate healing that ripples out into the collective.

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Dr. Lisa Miller | The Science of Spiritual Awakening

Tue, 11 Mar 2025 07:00:00 -0700

Thomas and Dr. Lisa Miller, a clinical psychologist, professor, and NYT bestselling author, explore humans’ innate capacity for spirituality. Dr. Lisa explains how neuroscience and cutting-edge research help us understand our hard-wired drive for spiritual awareness and what these discoveries mean for the way we approach our spiritual journeys…and our entire lives.

According to Dr. Miller, we’re all receptive to transcendent relationships, we are all emanations of the same source, and there is hard science to back this up. She and Thomas discuss how connection with others can deepen our spiritual experiences and how important it is to align with life’s natural rhythms.

They also explore how trauma can be a pathway to spiritual growth and awakening, and Dr. Miller offers a guided practice for experiencing transcendence and awakening to our spiritual awareness.

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Lisa Miller, Ph.D., is a clinical researcher, professor, speaker, and the New York Times bestselling author of The Spiritual Child and The Awakened Brain. She’s the founder and director of the Spirituality Mind Body Institute, the first Ivy League graduate program and research institute in spirituality and psychology, and editor of the Oxford University Press Handbook of Psychology and Spirituality.

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Mathieu Lefevre | The Power of Connection to Bridge Divides

Tue, 04 Mar 2025 08:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by Mathieu Lefevre, co-founder of More In Common, to explore the growing polarization in society and the surprising ways in which we are actually more united than we think.

Mathieu discusses his extensive research on social divisions in the U.S. and Europe, revealing how social media and news media create a distorted mirror of reality that exaggerates our differences. He explains the concept of perception gaps, where people overestimate how extreme their opponents’ views are, and offers insights on how to bridge these divides.

Thomas and Mathieu examine the critical role of listening, intergroup contact, and shared spaces in fostering social cohesion. As climate change and other global challenges put increasing pressure on our collective resilience, we need new forms of collaboration and understanding so that we can move beyond toxic division and build a healthier, more connected society.

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Mathieu Lefevre is the Co-Founder and CEO of More in Common, a non-profit working to understand the forces driving us apart, find common ground, and bring people together to tackle shared challenges. He was previously a Co-Founder of Make.org, one of the largest civic tech companies in Europe, and led a think tank on the future of global cities. Mathieu also served as a Political Officer in the United Nations’ Department of Peacekeeping Operations.

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Navigating the Waters of Complexity

Tue, 25 Feb 2025 08:00:00 -0700

How can we stop repeating patterns from the past? Thomas Hübl explores what it will take for individuals and societies to respond maturely to the current atmosphere of collective stress and not give in to polarizing and fragmenting forces.

In our lives and in our histories, we see repeating patterns and often react in unhealthy ways. To address these collective issues, we need to look inside—check in with ourselves when we’re triggered, and develop a more fluid and integrated perspective.

Thomas shares how integrating our wounds, practicing embodiment, and developing a more mature inner world can lead to greater clarity, compassion, and capacity to handle stress. Our inner experience has an ecosystemic effect, so we must create spaces, practices, and rituals—a healing architecture to process our past. Only then can we move fluidly into the future and become the wise elders that the world so needs.

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Bonus: The River of Time

Thu, 20 Feb 2025 08:00:00 -0700

Thomas explores three dimensions of time that shape our spiritual practice, and our healing journeys: the flowing 'river of time,' the frozen pockets of trauma that disrupt its movement, and the profound stillness of timelessness.

Through deep introspection and integration, uncover how to transform stuck patterns into a liberated flow, embracing the wisdom of both modern psychology and ancient traditions.

This bonus podcast episode is dropping on the two-year anniversary of Point of Relation! Stay tuned at the end of the episode for a special greeting from our podcast team (and their pets). And thank you so much for being a part of our community.

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Zander Grashow | Adapative Leadership for the Future

Tue, 18 Feb 2025 08:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by author, artist, and founder and CEO of Adaptive Leadership, Zander Grashow, for a conversation on the type of leadership that’s needed as humanity faces an unprecedented acceleration of social and technological change.

In order for us to meet this moment, we need to dismantle broken and corrupted systems, develop new social and relational skills, and collectively re-imagine the future that we want to work towards. This requires us to stay engaged despite the difficulty, and find our passion instead of leaning into despair.

Zander offers his take on the most important elements of leading our societies into that better future—learning to feel into our bodies and our emotions, identifying what we must let go of, understanding the structures of power, creating safe spaces to digest events, and building more resilient social fabrics in community.

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A recognized authority on Adaptive Leadership and change, Zander Grashow has been a confidential advisor to presidents, activists and change agents in their most critical moments of transition. Zander is a renowned facilitator, speaker and advisor to leaders around the world, with a broad reach into the activist, global business, philanthropic, entrepreneurial and creative communities. He believes every person should have the ability to evolve their life and work.

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Tiokasin Ghosthorse | The Intuition of Earth

Tue, 11 Feb 2025 08:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by educator, musician, activist, and creator of First Voices Radio, Tiokasin Ghosthorse. Tiokasin is a member of the Cheyenne River Lakota Nation of South Dakota, and shares deep wisdom from the Lakota worldview, language, and traditions.

He and Thomas explore ways for us to redefine our relationship with Mother Earth, moving away from a mindset of separation and domination towards one of interconnectedness, mutual becoming, and intuition. Tiokasin shares how we can be more in tune with Earth’s natural rhythm to become more present in the now and more connected to the future.

The Indigenous way of being involves an openness to seeing and feeling our ancestors—not just our human ancestors, but also the earth itself. Tiokasin stresses the need for us to de-center humans in order to reconnect with nature, and demonstrates how understanding the living Lakota language can affect a cultural mindset shift in that direction.

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Tiokasin Ghosthorse is an educator, musician, and international speaker on peace. He is a member of the Cheyenne River Lakota Nation of South Dakota and has a long history with Indigenous activism and advocacy. Tiokasin is the Founder, Host, and Executive Producer of First Voices Radio. In 2016, he received a Nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize and is the recipient of numerous other awards and honors for the arts, music, and community work. Tiokasin is a master musician of the Lakota cedar flute(s) where stories and cultural knowledge are conveyed through music.

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The Spiritual Ethics of Trauma Healing

Tue, 04 Feb 2025 08:00:00 -0700

Thomas Hübl explores what it means to get in touch with our deepest humanity, live our spirituality with respect to the freedom of all humans, and move through the world with embodied awareness.

We are all composed of a divine light—an unbroken stream of data that began with our oldest ancestors. But we have also inherited trauma from those who came before us, and from the events of our own lives. Healing and integrating these traumas has an ecosystemic impact, it ripples out to those around us and opens us to the spiritual dimension.

But healing isn’t just about transcending our pain, it requires integration, and more importantly—humility. It requires us to own our transgressions and include their lessons in our spiritual practice. Thomas shares how this inclusivity generates wisdom and opens us to greater generosity, deeper insights, and more warmth and love in our lives.

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Elise Loehnen | Mystical Explorations of Good and Evil

Tue, 28 Jan 2025 08:00:00 -0700

Thomas Hübl and NYT bestselling author and the host of the podcast, Pulling the Thread, Elise Loehnen, explore the nature of shadow, evil, and collective trauma from a mystical and spiritual perspective.

They discuss the impact of unprocessed pain and ancestral wounds, the obstacles we face as we work to integrate our individual and collective shadows, and the challenges (and benefits) of staying present in a world shaped by both light and darkness.

Elise poses profound questions about the moral qualities of evil, while Thomas offers insights into the interconnectedness of the human experience and what it means to take responsibility—both for your own actions, and for harms perpetrated by others that you have unwittingly benefitted from.

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Elise Loehnen is a New York Times bestselling author and the host of the podcast, Pulling the Thread, where she interviews cultural luminaries about the big questions of today. She’s the author of the New York Times bestselling On Our Best Behavior: The Seven Deadly Sins and the Price Women Pay to be Good. She has also co-written 12 books, including five New York Times Best Sellers. Previously, she was the chief content officer of goop. While there, Elise co-hosted The goop Podcast and The goop Lab on Netflix, and led the brand’s content strategy and programming. For the podcast, she interviewed 100’s of thought leaders, doctors, and experts.

Prior to goop, she was the editorial projects director of Conde Nast Traveler. Before Traveler, she was the editor at large and deputy editor of Lucky Magazine, where she also served as the on-air spokesperson, appearing regularly on shows like Today, E!, Good Morning America, and The Early Show. She has a B.A. from Yale and majored in English and Fine Arts. These days, she serves on two boards (Jeni’s Splendid Ice Creams and Skinfix), advises a beauty bio-tech start-up (Arcaea), and spends her time writing, reading, and fundraising for causes and politicians focused on environmental action, social justice, women and children’s health, and a more equitable world.

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In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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Bonus: Emptying the Mind

Thu, 23 Jan 2025 08:00:00 -0700

Thomas reads a short passage from the Tao Te Ching and shares spiritual practices and conceptual tools to help you let go of unhelpful ideas you’re clinging to and create spaciousness in your mind and body.

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Dr. Shefali | Embracing Conscious Parenting

Tue, 21 Jan 2025 08:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by Dr. Shefali, a clinical psychologist, bestselling author, and host of the Parenting & You podcast. Dr. Shefali is an expert on “Conscious Parenting,” an approach to raising children that focuses on the need for parents to identify and heal from their own traumas—especially childhood traumas—so that they don’t pass on harmful patterns and behaviors to their kids.

She and Thomas discuss the importance of creating emotional safety in parent-child relationships (and all relationships) in order to create an environment where a child, friend, or partner can be their authentic self. They also cover how to identify triggers and how being in touch with your physical body allows you to be more in touch with your emotions.

Dr. Shefali stresses that sometimes growth requires a level of discomfort, and a relinquishing of control, but doing the hard work of becoming more present and self-aware is the best thing you can do for your children.

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Dr. Shefali is a New York Times bestselling author of books on conscious living and mindful living. She is the founder of the amazing Conscious Parenting and Life Coaching Institute, where she trains coaches to use her method and to help others. Dr. Shefali has her own podcast called Parenting & You With Dr. Shefali, which is available everywhere podcasts are heard.

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Tamala Floyd | Healing Our Parts and Our Selves

Tue, 14 Jan 2025 08:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by Tamala Floyd, a psychotherapist, IFS lead trainer, speaker, and the author of “Listening When Parts Speak: A Practical Guide to Healing with Internal Family Systems Therapy and Ancestor Wisdom.”

They discuss the relationship between the “Self” and the multiple “parts” of the self in Internal Family Systems work, and how understanding and integrating our protective parts helps us heal past traumas and establish a stronger relationship with our innate, inner selves.

Tamala shares wisdom on ancestral healing, explaining how intergenerational trauma work supports IFS work, and helps us to free ourselves from patterns and behaviors that don’t serve us. She and Thomas also explore the concept of “legacy burdens”—wounds and harms that we’ve inherited from our ancestors or our culture that impact our lives—and how we can learn to release them.

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Tamala Floyd is a psychotherapist, author, IFS lead trainer, consultant, and retreat leader with over 25 years of experience. Her latest book, "Listening When Parts Speak: A Practical Guide to Healing with Internal Family Systems Therapy and Ancestor Wisdom," focuses on healing personal and generational trauma.

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Michael Meade | Rites of Passage

Tue, 07 Jan 2025 08:00:00 -0700

Thomas Hübl is joined by renowned storyteller, author, and scholar of mythology, Michael Meade. They discuss transformation as an essential element of life, and how embracing radical transformation—both personally and as a collective—allows us to get in touch with our deeper selves.

Michael draws on his knowledge of ancient rites of passage, mythology, and initiation rituals to help define the liminal space humanity finds itself in right now. As we stand on a cultural and environmental threshold, we have a choice: either let go of our egos and open our wounds to be cleansed and healed, or resist change and remain disconnected from life, death, and nature itself.

He and Thomas also explore what it means to be an elder across different cultures, how seemingly apocalyptic turmoil is really a lifting of the veil, and the divine value of stepping into the unknown.

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Michael Meade D.H.L., is a renowned storyteller, author, and scholar of mythology, anthropology, and psychology. He combines hypnotic storytelling, street-savvy perceptiveness, and spellbinding interpretations of ancient myths with a deep knowledge of cross-cultural rituals. He is the creator of the Living Myth Podcast, and the founder of Mosaic Multicultural Foundation, a nonprofit that encourages greater understanding between diverse peoples.

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Cultivating Space

Tue, 31 Dec 2024 08:00:00 -0700

Thomas Hübl dives deep into how we can learn to be more grounded in stressful moments, and grow our resilience, agency, and ability to respond to challenges. He shares insights and practices to activate curiosity, exploring how we can expand our individual healing into the community.

We're living in a very complex time - a global poly-crisis situation where the topics reverberating in the world might feel overwhelming, isolating, triggering, distancing, even creating indifference.

Thomas focuses on learning to recognize overwhelm and create space within ourselves, in our environment, and in our relationships so that integration and healing can occur.

Where would you like more space in your life, to create the possibility of a different outcome, a new future? Tune in for fresh insights on cultivating space and nurturing wisdom, resilience, and loving-kindness in an increasingly complex world.

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The Healing Art of Integration

Tue, 24 Dec 2024 08:00:00 -0700

Thomas Hübl shares practices and perspectives to help us navigate the challenges that may arise as many of us gather with our families and communities for the holidays.

In situations where differing opinions and issues from childhood can often lead to tension, reactivity, and conflict, it sometimes feels impossible to stay grounded, present, and spacious enough to handle these moments.

With practice, we can learn to recognize our emotions, know how they feel in our bodies, and gain a better understanding of our inner experience so that we can integrate what arises. Then, we can transform difficult moments into opportunities for growth and connection. Or, we can see more clearly when the healthy decision is to walk away.

Thomas explores how we can train ourselves to be more regulated so that we can approach relational challenges with curiosity instead of judgment, and create space to host discomfort and disagreement with fluidity, maturity, and love.

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Michelle Cassandra Johnson | The Honeybees’ Wisdom: Lessons on Care and Adaptation

Tue, 17 Dec 2024 08:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by author, activist, spiritual teacher, racial equity consultant and trainer, and intuitive healer, Michelle Cassandra Johnson. They discuss a new paradigm of collective care and healing inspired by the natural wisdom of honeybees. Michelle, an amateur beekeeper, shares what she’s learned about interconnectedness, adaptation, attunement, and longevity from these incredible creatures.

She and Thomas also explore how we can find the medicine that lives within us and learn to recognize and harness our inner resources for healing.

We live in chaotic times, within harmful systems, and suffer from constant distractions that dysregulate our nervous systems. Thomas and Michelle share how leaning into community, fostering safe healing spaces, and practicing rituals and ceremonies can help us connect with the great and beautiful mystery of life and turn a feeling of lack into a sense of enoughness.

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Michelle Cassandra Johnson is an author, activist, spiritual practitioner, racial equity consultant, and intuitive healer whose work is grounded in an understanding that we can and must heal individually and collectively. She has authored several books, including Skill in Action and Finding Refuge, and has spoken extensively about racial equity, justice, and our connection with nature.

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Bonus: Conscious Enjoyment Practice

Thu, 12 Dec 2024 08:00:00 -0700

In this special bonus episode, Thomas shares a powerful presencing practice focused on conscious enjoyment. In our day-to-day lives, how often are we taking the time to stop and really focus on an embodied experience of enjoyment?

Thomas shares why this is an important part of a well-rounded spiritual practice, and how this can help us release stress-based thought patterns and reinvigorate our lives.

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The Evolving Map for Trauma Healing

Tue, 10 Dec 2024 08:00:00 -0700

Thomas shares insights, tools, and practices to help you stay present, responsive, and connected during times of change and uncertainty.

More than ever, we are impacted by world events contributing to a state of polycrisis, where multiple traumatic events happen simultaneously. Thomas explores how we can support ourselves and others at a time when many are feeling chronic anxiety and overwhelm, while also addressing deeper layers of trauma.

Each of us is part of the overall health of the collective nervous system. And as we each undergo our own healing and inner work, we influence the larger collective field. Tune in to learn how to expand your collective understanding to support more effective and multidimensional healing.

#traumahealing #collectivehealing #ancestralhealing

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Dr. Mariel Buqué | Breaking the Generational Trauma Cycle

Tue, 03 Dec 2024 08:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by renowned trauma psychologist, bestselling author, and CEO of Break the Cycle, Dr. Mariel Buqué. They dive deep into intergenerational trauma, exploring how it’s handed down through family lines and how we can effectively heal it.

Dr. Buqué’s extensive work with trauma healing has shown the importance of healing in connection with others, especially when the traumas we’ve suffered were traumas that happened in relationship. As humans, we are interconnected, interdependent beings, and it’s healthy and natural for us to rely on each other. But trauma can make that difficult.

Thomas and Dr. Buqué share holistic and professional methods for sustainable healing, stressing the importance of combining individual efforts with community support. Tune in to learn how we can break the cycles that we were unwillingly born into, and move from despair to profound hope and healing.

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Dr. Mariel Buqué is a psychologist, a world-renowned intergenerational trauma expert, and the author of the bestselling book Break the Cycle: A Guide to Healing Intergenerational Trauma. Her mission is to help reduce the recurrence of Intergenerational ACEs (Adverse Childhood Experiences) within communities of color. Her consultation and therapy practice, the Break the Cycle Trauma Center, addresses the needs of underserved communities via a holistic system of care focused on equity and prevention.

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Embodying Hope

Tue, 26 Nov 2024 08:00:00 -0700

Thomas offers insights on how we can generate and maintain hope, exploring hope as a skill and a practice rather than just a belief. He defines hope as the presence of agency—something that we can actively influence and co-create with each other.

Many who have suffered trauma find it difficult to maintain presence and tend to view this as a negative thing. But Thomas offers a different perspective. He explains that being pulled “out of the moment” is an intelligent function that helps us survive traumatic events.

Instead of fighting our feelings and pathologizing our lack of presence, we can actually achieve more groundedness and connection by integrating our wounds, allowing ourselves to feel our feelings, and observing our tendencies with compassion and creativity rather than judgment.

In an interconnected world, we each contribute to a brighter future by doing our inner work and sharing the wisdom that comes from it.

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Dr. Robert Waldinger | The Surprising Truth About Happiness

Tue, 19 Nov 2024 16:29:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by Dr. Robert Waldinger, a psychiatry professor and the director of the Harvard Study of Adult Development, to explore the secrets to human happiness and thriving. They discuss the profound insights gained from the longest-running study on human happiness, revealing how relationships, stress regulation, and having a strong sense of purpose shape our health and longevity.

Dr. Waldinger shares the factors in our lives that we can adjust to have greater agency over our happiness, and the role of wealth and privilege in wellbeing. The conversation also explores the transformative power of meditation, specifically in the Zen Buddhist tradition, offering wisdom on impermanence and interconnectedness.

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Robert Waldinger is Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and directs the Harvard Study of Adult Development, one of the longest-running studies of adult life ever done. He directs a teaching program in psychotherapy at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, and he writes about what science can teach us about healthy human development. He is also a Zen master (roshi) and teaches meditation both in the US and internationally.

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BONUS: Being Rooted in an Ancestral Context

Thu, 14 Nov 2024 08:00:00 -0700

In this special bonus episode, Thomas examines the role of our ancestors in our lives and how lessons from the past can help us heal and evolve as humans.

Our ancestors have left us with many gifts, but have also burdened us with unintegrated trauma. By learning how to connect to our roots and integrate those fragmented pieces of the past, we can bring light, creativity, innovation, and resilience into our legacies. And by doing this work in combination with personal and collective healing, we can build a better world for future generations.

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Margaret Wheatley | Becoming a Warrior for the Human Spirit

Tue, 12 Nov 2024 08:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by Margaret Wheatley, a writer, teacher, speaker, and organizational consultant whose work focuses on summoning and training leaders who can step up to guide us in building new systems based on shared values, instead of trying to reform the destructive and corrupted systems that currently threaten life on this planet.

Thomas and Margaret start from the ground up, exploring how collectives and cultures emerge and how they operate, incorporating wisdom from science and biology. They focus on how different cultures define, experience, and approach trauma, and what we can learn from them.

Drawing on her work in diverse international communities, Margaret believes that the human spirit can transcend its individual experience. Using support from community and lessons from spirituality, we can shake off the loneliness of trauma, unite to reclaim our spirits, and use whatever power and influence we possess for the good of all humans.

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Margaret Wheatley, Ed.D. began her career as a Peace Corps volunteer in post-war Korea. In many different roles—speaker, teacher, organizational consultant, advisor, and formal leader—her work has deepened into an unshakable conviction that leaders must learn how to invoke people's inherent generosity, creativity, and need for community. She is co-founder and president of The Berkana Institute and the author of thirteen books.

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How Healthy Relationships Create Collective Healing

Tue, 05 Nov 2024 08:00:00 -0700

Welcome to the 100th episode of Point of Relation! We’re so excited to share this milestone with you and we’re incredibly grateful to all of our listeners for their continued support.

In this episode, Thomas Hübl explores the concept of relational presence, an essential component of healing personal and collective trauma and nurturing healthy and fulfilling relationships in our lives.

Thomas shares the fundamentals of presence, why it’s such an important element of the way we communicate, and how we can learn to co-regulate and resonate with the people in our lives.

By learning and practicing these skills, we’re building our capacity to form safe, coherent spaces that serve as the primary tool for trauma integration. When we train to see our own filters and unconscious areas, we can create an environment that supports collective healing.

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Roger Walsh | Making a Difference in Times of Crisis

Tue, 29 Oct 2024 07:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by Professor of Psychiatry, Philosophy, and Anthropology, and host of the Deep Transformation Podcast, Roger Walsh. They dive deep into how each of us can leverage our unique skills and capacities to help solve the many crises humanity is facing. It can be overwhelming to view complex, interconnected problems like climate change, war, and political unrest, and feel like you’re powerless to make a difference.

Thomas and Roger assert that we must be willing to face our fears, be present with our emotional responses, and understand the psychological and spiritual roots of these problems to affect meaningful collective change.

Roger stresses that there are no simple, single solutions for individuals or the collective. But at the core of our distress is a deep compassion for humanity, and tapping into that compassion is a powerful activator for collective healing.

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Roger Walsh MD, Ph.D. is a professor of psychiatry, philosophy, and anthropology at the University of California, whose research focuses on topics such as meditation, psychological wellbeing, wisdom, and the psychological roots of our global crises. His books include Essential Spirituality: The Seven Central Practices, and The World of Shamanism. He is a student and researcher of contemplative practices, an authorized lama in Tibetan Buddhism, and cohosts the podcast Deep Transformation: Self-Society-Spirit, with listeners in over 170 countries.

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Ancestral Healing

Tue, 22 Oct 2024 07:00:00 -0700

Thomas discusses the importance of ancestral healing and explores how to develop a felt sense of connection with our ancestors. Connection is essential to healing, and connecting with both the wisdom and the unintegrated traumas of our ancestors helps us to be more present and grounded in our own lives, and accelerates our personal and collective healing.

Our ancestors have handed us a wealth of resources, and also a whole lot of unfinished business. Thomas explores how we can connect to the sacred spark of life that we’ve inherited, and feel into frozen areas of wounding and trauma so that we can heal them before they’re passed on to our descendants.

He explains how developing an ancestral awareness not only helps us to integrate the trauma that our ancestors could not, but also connects us more deeply with Mother Earth, allows us to be better stewards of our biosphere, and creates a healthier world for future generations to inhabit.

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Elise Loehnen | Owning Our Collective Shadow

Tue, 15 Oct 2024 07:00:00 -0700

Thomas Hübl and New York Times bestselling author Elise Loehnen discuss the often misunderstood realms of shadow work and collective trauma. They explore how facing our inner darkness can lead to profound personal and societal transformation, and share practical insights on integrating the messy, painful parts of ourselves for spiritual growth and global healing. Without awareness, whatever is being suppressed in the deep layers of our collective shadow will be passed on to future generations. But by implementing new rituals and architectures of healing, we can transform stagnant energy into aliveness, creativity, ethical upgrades, and stronger collaboration across cultural divides.

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Elise Loehnen is a New York Times bestselling author and the host of the podcast, Pulling the Thread, where she interviews cultural luminaries about the big questions of today. She’s the author of the New York Times bestselling On Our Best Behavior: The Seven Deadly Sins and the Price Women Pay to be Good. She has also co-written 12 books. She was the chief content officer of goop, where she co-hosted The goop Podcast and The goop Lab on Netflix, and led the brand’s content strategy and programming. She was previously the editorial projects director of Conde Nast Traveler and the editor at large and deputy editor of Lucky Magazine, where she served as the on-air spokesperson.

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Bonus: Guided Awareness Meditation

Thu, 10 Oct 2024 07:00:00 -0700

Thomas guides a meditation to help you drop into your body, embrace the sensations and emotions that arise, and use your awareness to help regulate your nervous system, open your heart space, and start to feel more grounded.

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Healing Through Compassionate Awareness

Tue, 08 Oct 2024 07:00:00 -0700

Thomas Hübl explores the intricate relationship between trauma, healing, and spirituality. He explains that trauma is not defined by the events we experience but by our inner responses to overwhelming situations, often leading to emotional, mental, and even societal stagnation.

He discusses how we can reintegrate the frozen parts of ourselves to support growth, creativity, and deeper connections, and how healing trauma opens us to deeper love and relational awareness.

With consistent spiritual practice, connection to community, and unwavering compassion for ourselves and others, we can face difficult challenges in our lives and overcome the illusion of separation to address critical global issues.

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Ayọ Tometi | Collective Healing Through Activism

Tue, 01 Oct 2024 07:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by human rights leader and co-founder of #BlackLivesMatter, Ayọ Tometi, to discuss the powerful connection between activism and healing. Ayọ shares her journey to becoming an activist and her perspective on collective healing, focusing on the power of storytelling and the importance of acknowledging our collective pain.

She and Thomas explore how creating spaces for deep listening and shared experiences can transform communities, and practical ways to contribute to social change while fostering personal and collective well-being. Ayọ stresses the importance of feeling in order to heal, and shares strategies for maintaining levity and compassion while working in social justice or other emotionally overwhelming fields.

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Ayọ Tometi is an award-winning human rights champion, social entrepreneur, and a co-creator of #BlackLivesMatter, the movement nominated for a 2021 Nobel Peace Prize. In 2021 she became the first woman recipient of the International Peace Honors Award. She is widely respected for her track record and has been hailed as a new civil rights leader by those in the grassroots and major media outlets. Ayọ is a trusted advisor to several organizations and initiatives in the public and private sectors. An ardent futurist, Ayọ has committed her life to joyfully and rigorously engaging people in both imagining and forging a better world together.

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Helena Norberg-Hodge | Local Action for Systemic Healing

Tue, 24 Sep 2024 07:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by Helena Norberg-Hodge, a bestselling author, filmmaker, and pioneer of the new economy movement. They discuss the fundamental importance of reconnecting with nature, local food systems, and community as antidotes to the damaging impacts of globalization.

She shares her experiences working with Indigenous cultures and explores how localization not only heals people and places but also addresses major issues like climate change, food security, and social fragmentation. Together, they explore the intersection of systemic trauma, environmental sustainability, and the path toward a more interconnected and resilient future.

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Helena Norberg-Hodge is a linguist, author, filmmaker, and pioneer of the new economy movement. She’s the founder and director of Local Futures, and the convenor of World Localization Day and the Planet Local Summit. She is the founder of the International Alliance for Localisation and a co-founder of the International Forum on Globalization and the Global Ecovillage Network. Based on decades of experience in indigenous cultures, Helena has been promoting a big-picture understanding of the foundations of human, as well as ecological wellbeing.

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Attunement: Connecting to the Flow of Life

Tue, 17 Sep 2024 07:00:00 -0700

In this solo episode, Thomas unravels the mysteries of attunement. Discover how this practice goes far beyond conventional emotional intelligence and continues into deeper connections and spiritual growth. Uncover the keys to transparent communication, trauma healing, and accessing subtle spiritual information for personal and collective transformation.

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Realigning With Divine Law

Thu, 12 Sep 2024 07:00:00 -0700

In this special bonus episode, Thomas reads Verse 25 from the Tao Te Ching, offers his analysis, and shares how we can come back to living a life that is more informed by inner balance in a world that is often out of balance.

This episode is dedicated to a cherished member of our team, the late Digo Delgado. His adventurous spirit, kindness, and laugh touched everyone who had the privilege of knowing him. We dedicate this episode in loving memory to Digo, with gratitude for all of his contributions and the time we shared.

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Roshi Joan Halifax | Compassion as the Key to Resilience

Tue, 10 Sep 2024 07:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by Buddhist teacher, Founder and head teacher of Upaya Zen Center, social activist, and author, Roshi Joan Halifax. They discuss Roshi Joan’s pioneering work in end-of-life care, and how spirituality can inform and inspire more compassionate activism.

Roshi Joan shares her insights on how decades of practice have equipped her to navigate suffering with resilience, how compassion benefits both the giver and receiver, and the importance of embracing moral challenges with grace. She and Thomas also explore the importance of community, mindfulness, and meditation in healing trauma, and how this can lead to beautiful post-traumatic growth.

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Roshi Joan Halifax, Ph.D. is a Buddhist teacher, Founder and Head Teacher of Upaya Zen Center in Santa Fe, New Mexico, a social activist, and author, and in her early years an anthropologist. She is a pioneer in the field of end-of-life care and has lectured on death and dying at many academic institutions and medical centers around the world. She has received many awards and honors for her work as a social and environmental activist and in the end-of-life care field. For decades, she has worked with dying people and their families and taught healthcare professionals and family caregivers the psycho-social, ethical, and spiritual aspects of care for the dying.

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Dr. Diane Poole Heller | Healing Attachment Wounds

Tue, 03 Sep 2024 07:06:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by internationally recognized speaker, author, and expert in the field of attachment theory and trauma resolution, Dr. Diane Poole Heller. They discuss Diane’s work in attachment theory, exploring how our early experiences with our caregivers affect our attachment styles, and what we can do to move into secure attachment in our relationships.

Dr. Heller views trauma as a broken connection—with ourselves, our lives, the earth, or other people—and explains how therapists and healers can co-regulate and attune with their clients’ nervous systems to create a safe environment for transforming trauma. Dr. Heller believes that we can interface with the energy of trauma in a way that doesn’t cause overwhelm, and opens us to maturation, spiritual experiences, and changes in consciousness.

She and Thomas also discuss how working collectively in a group amplifies healing, and how all therapists and healers are ultimately agents of grace.

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Diane Poole Heller, PhD is an internationally recognized speaker, author, and expert in the field of attachment theory and trauma resolution. Her signature approach—DARe (Dynamic Attachment Repatterning experience)—provides therapists and individuals with relevant skills and practical exercises that facilitate healing from attachment and trauma wounds. Diane’s training programs, books, lectures, and work as a therapist have helped countless people in their healing journey toward experiencing greater intimacy, wholeness, and more fulfilling relationships.

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The Essence of Life

Tue, 27 Aug 2024 07:00:00 -0700

Thomas shares deep insights into how we can embody the soul's wisdom and increase our capacity to be present and form a deeper alliance with life. He shares tools and practices for becoming more grounded and spacious in our daily lives, and in challenging situations, and how that gives us the courage, curiosity, and strength to turn difficulties into growth, expansion, and wisdom.

He also offers embodiment practices to help us connect our physical and emotional data streams, creating a more coherent awareness of our internal processes, and increasing our natural intuition and capacity for change.

As Thomas explains, we are all part of an interconnected world, but trauma tends to create a sense of separation. Reconnecting to the essence of life helps us develop a deeper sense of ourselves so that we can achieve greater regulation and resilience.

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Julia Kim | Holistic Economic Healing

Tue, 20 Aug 2024 07:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by global wellbeing and wellbeing economics expert, program facilitator, and researcher, Julia Kim. They discuss how Bhutan's holistic approach to economics, deeply rooted in spiritual and cultural values, prioritizes individual and collective happiness and wellbeing over profit and expansion of capital.

Julia explains the concept of Gross National Happiness (GNH) in Bhutan, contrasting it with the more conventional measure of Gross Domestic Product (GDP), and how this system is more regenerative than extractive, less driven by overconsumption, and leads to better outcomes for people and the environment.

At a time of personal and collective trauma, burnout, and loss of hope, strengthening our capacity for inner wellbeing and authentic leadership is critical for enabling and inspiring wider organizational and systemic transformations.

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Julia Kim is an explorer of the terrain connecting inner transformation and systems change. She draws on her past career as a physician and public health researcher in Africa and Asia, Senior Policy Advisor at the United Nations (UNDP and UNICEF), and Program Director at the Gross National Happiness (GNH) Centre Bhutan. She integrates global experience in the fields of leadership development, contemplative practice, program facilitation, research, and policy in the fields of wellbeing, wellbeing economics, global health, and sustainable development. Julia is an associate of the Presencing Institute, and an Executive Committee member of the Club of Rome. She holds degrees from Cornell University, the University of Manitoba, Tufts University, and the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.

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Ruth King | The Medicine of Dharma

Tue, 13 Aug 2024 08:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by celebrated author, educator, and meditation teacher, Ruth King. They explore the profound responsibilities and perspectives that come with eldership and the importance of presence in guiding others. Ruth shares her wisdom on racial healing, the power of community, and the role of artistry as cultural medicine.

She and Thomas explore the healing potential of mindful communication and the value of embracing impermanence to alleviate suffering. Ruth also shares reflections on integrating Buddhist Dharma teachings into social contexts and how words can heal when used with conscious intention.

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V | Wound as a Portal Into a New World

Tue, 06 Aug 2024 09:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by playwright, author, performer, activist, and creator of “The Vagina Monologues,” V (formerly Eve Ensler.) They discuss the profound impact of trauma and the power of healing through collective and community-based approaches.

V shares her personal journey from a tumultuous childhood to becoming a global advocate for women's rights, emphasizing the transformative power of love, art, performance, and community in overcoming trauma and reckoning with the harms of patriarchy.

They explore the revolutionary work of the City of Joy in Congo, and how its unique, supportive environment fosters healing and helps elevate women into community leaders. V's experiences in war zones and with victims of violence highlight the pervasive and normalized violence against women, influencing her life's mission to address this global issue.

This conversation includes the topic of sexual abuse. While it is not the primary topic, and it is addressed with care and sensitivity, we wanted to offer this content warning for listeners who may not want to engage with this subject.

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V (formerly Eve Ensler) is the Tony award-winning playwright and author of the theatrical phenomenon, The Vagina Monologues. She is the author of books including The Apology and In the Body of the World, as well as The New York Times best-seller I am an Emotional Creature. She helped create the play That Kindness: Nurses in Their Own Words presented by BAM. She's the founder of V-Day, a global activist movement that has raised over 120 million dollars to end violence against all women (cisgender and transgender,) those who hold fluid identities, nonbinary people, girls, and the planet—and the founder of One Billion Rising, the largest global mass action to end gender-based violence in over 200 countries, as well as a co-founder of City of Joy. She writes regularly for The Guardian.

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Abigail E. Disney | Moral Injury and the Complex Legacy of Disney

Tue, 30 Jul 2024 09:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by filmmaker, philanthropist, and activist Abigail Disney. They discuss how Abigail’s activism has been informed by the darker aspects of the Disney company and family legacy, and how that legacy is reflective of larger problems in American society.

They also dive deep into the idea of moral injury, which arises when individuals are forced to act against their ethical values, leading to deep psychological and emotional wounds. She and Thomas explore how moral injury can result from systemic failures and the personal struggles of those in conflict zones. Abigail critiques the tendency to flatten historical figures into one-dimensional heroes or villains, arguing for a more nuanced understanding of their actions and legacies.

She and Thomas agree on the need for collective healing processes to address the toxic impacts of hyper-individualism and the collective trauma of global conflicts. Abigail stresses the importance of remaining open to uncertainty, and advocates for humility and flexibility in addressing complex societal issues, suggesting that this approach is essential for building a more understanding and peaceful society.

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Abigail E. Disney is a philanthropist and social activist who has worked with organizations supporting peacebuilding, gender justice, and systemic cultural change. She is an Emmy award-winning documentary filmmaker and Chair and Co-Founder of Level Forward, an ecosystem of storytellers, entrepreneurs, and social change-makers dedicated to balancing artistic vision, social impact, and stakeholder return. She created the nonprofit Peace is Loud, which uses storytelling to advance social movements, and the Daphne Foundation, which supports organizations working for a more equitable, fair, and peaceful New York City.

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Bonus Meditation: Levels of Light

Thu, 25 Jul 2024 09:00:00 -0700

In this guided meditation, Thomas invites you to expand your awareness and tune in to the subtle light of your soul.

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The Power of Collective Healing

Tue, 23 Jul 2024 09:00:00 -0700

Thomas dives deep into the foundational principles of collective healing, exploring the challenges of individual healing and the profound benefits of healing from trauma within a safe and supportive group.

He shares how the intimacy and closeness of group healing spaces enable participants to be more open and present, which facilitates a coherent and resonant experience for all involved. In these settings, the healing of the individual is amplified by the attention and emotional feedback of the group, and vice versa. Thomas also explores how this concept can be scaled up, and how what he calls “collective witnessing” could be the key to integrating and healing the wounds of the past so that our societies can imagine and create a better world for the future together.

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Elise Loehnen | Balancing Empathy, Anger, and Responsibility in Polarizing Times

Tue, 16 Jul 2024 09:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined once again by New York Times bestselling author and the host of the podcast, Pulling the Thread, Elise Loehnen. They discuss the important work of reconnecting to our bodies, learning to fully embody our emotions—including anger—and what it takes to create safe spaces for difficult emotions to emerge and become integrated.

Elise shares personal insights about grounding and releasing anger, and the powerful healing potential of setting honest boundaries.

She and Thomas explore how increasing our inner resourcing and individual capacity for discomfort can help us detoxify wounds inherited from previous generations, bring us closer to nature, and collectively reduce polarization in society.

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Elise Loehnen is a New York Times bestselling author and the host of the podcast, Pulling the Thread, where she interviews cultural luminaries about the big questions of today. She’s the author of the New York Times bestselling On Our Best Behavior: The Seven Deadly Sins and the Price Women Pay to be Good. She has also co-written 12 books. She was the chief content officer of goop, where she co-hosted The goop Podcast and The goop Lab on Netflix, and led the brand’s content strategy and programming. She was previously the editorial projects director of Conde Nast Traveler and the editor at large and deputy editor of Lucky Magazine, where she served as the on-air spokesperson.

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Christiana Figueres | Climate Change as a Journey to the Heart

Tue, 09 Jul 2024 09:00:00 -0700

On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by Christiana Figueres, an internationally recognized leader on global climate change. They discuss her extensive work in helping to create global regulatory frameworks around climate change, and how we can apply the power of our agency as a collective to work towards regeneration instead of creating more destruction.

Christiana and Thomas observe how our individual healing processes mirror the social transformation humanity must undergo to address the climate crisis. They explore how we can fertilize the ground of possibility and see climate change not as an inevitable disaster, but as a portal for change and an opportunity to heal global injustices.

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Christiana Figueres is an internationally recognized leader on global climate change. She was Executive Secretary of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change from 2010 to 2016. She directed numerous successful Conferences of the Parties, culminating in the historical Paris Agreement of 2015. She is the co-founder of Global Optimism, co-host of the podcast “Outrage & Optimism” and is the co-author of the recently published book, The Future We Choose: Surviving the Climate Crisis.

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Bonus: The 3-Sync Meditation

Thu, 04 Jul 2024 09:00:00 -0700

In this special bonus episode, Thomas guides us through the 3-Sync Meditation Practice, a foundational meditation in Thomas’ teachings. “3-Sync” refers to the synchronization of our physical, emotional, and mental experiences. It’s a simple practice to help generate presence and digest whatever arises. You can return to this practice again and again when you are experiencing overwhelm, or just need a moment for space and integration in your day.

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Mystical Teachings From Wisdom Traditions

Tue, 02 Jul 2024 09:00:00 -0700

Thomas discusses three foundational concepts of mystical teachings: Awareness, Movement, and Ethics.

He explores how mindfulness synchronizes our awareness with our perception, how Taoism and other wisdom traditions help us integrate the past so we can be more present in the flow of life, and how internal regulation and spaciousness make us less dependent on external rules and validation.

Thomas emphasizes how these powerful spiritual tools can help us to deepen, evolve, and unify our experience of life.

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Sharon Salzberg | Caring for Those Who Care for Others

Tue, 25 Jun 2024 09:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by meditation pioneer, world-renowned teacher, and New York Times bestselling author, Sharon Salzberg.

They discuss how meditation brings us deeply in touch with how connected we all are, and helps us embrace our authentic selves. Sharon has worked extensively bringing tools of yoga, meditation, and community building to those in caring and healing professions. She stresses the importance of balance and explains how meditation and mindfulness practices can help us be present with suffering as well as joy—without causing ourselves undo harm or dissociating from our problems.

She and Thomas explore the Buddhist emphasis on love, connection, and community, and how understanding and caring for ourselves is our greatest tool in caring for others and the world.

Key points from this episode include:

Learning from meditation to sit with painful feelings and approach them with compassion
Helping people get back in touch with their tools of resilience
The importance of community building in trauma healing
How our spiritual practice can help us meet the challenges of the world instead of bypassing them
Integrating inner work and outer expression
The traumatized compulsion to serve others and how we can be more introspective to understand our motivations and intentions

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Sharon Salzberg is a meditation pioneer, world-renowned teacher, and New York Times bestselling author. She is among the first to bring mindfulness & loving-kindness meditation to mainstream American culture. A co-founder of The Insight Meditation Society in Barre, MA, Sharon is the author of thirteen books, including the New York Times bestseller, Real Happiness, now in its second edition, and her seminal work, Lovingkindess. She hosts the popular podcast, The Metta Hour.

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Venerable Dr. Yifa | Buddhism and the Search for Universal Truths

Tue, 18 Jun 2024 09:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by Taiwanese Buddhist nun, scholar, writer, and Founder of the Woodenfish Foundation, Venerable Dr. Yifa, PhD.

They discuss the relationship between science and religion, focusing on how modern scientific advances can be viewed from a Buddhist lens, and the philosophical and ethical questions posed by new technology.

Dr. Yifa shares how she chose the path of becoming a Buddhist nun, and how the discipline she learned in that process has helped her in her academic studies and life.

She and Thomas explore how both religion and science offer avenues to pursue fundamental truths and discuss how Buddhist and Taoist teachings can help us become mindful, helpful people who contribute positively to the collective karma of humanity.

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Venerable Dr. Yifa, PhD is a Taiwanese Buddhist nun, scholar, and writer. Ordained in 1979, She holds a law degree from the Taiwan National University, a Master's in Comparative Philosophy from the University of Hawaii and a doctorate in religious studies from Yale University. She has been the Dean at Fo Guang Shan Buddhist seminary and served as a department head and Dean of the University of the West in Los Angeles. Her main area of research is Buddhist monasticism and she is the author and co-author of multiple books, including The Origins of Buddhist Monastic Codes. In 2002, she established the Woodenfish Project to conduct the “Humanistic Buddhist Monastic Life Program” for college students to experience life in monasteries, as well as “Buddhism in China—Buddhist Seminars in Sacred Sites” for scholars and graduate students.

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Michael Beckwith | Embracing Growth and Possibility

Tue, 11 Jun 2024 09:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by the Founder and CEO of the Agape International Spiritual Center and the author of Life Visioning, Michael Beckwith.

They discuss how believing in possibility and maintaining hope are essential to growth, transformation, and our ability to live an authentic and fulfilling life.

Michael shares his insights into how our minds have been hijacked by news, media, and circumstances beyond our control, and shares practices and strategies for gaining sovereignty over our awareness.

He and Thomas explore how we can ask ourselves more empowering questions instead of succumbing to disempowerment and hopelessness. Michael stresses that believing in the potential of humanity and focusing on community can help us experience greater healing and positive change in our lives.

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Michael Bernard Beckwith is the Founder and CEO of Agape International Spiritual Center and author. A sought-after evolutionary leader, speaker, and meditation teacher, tens of thousands join Michael online for services every Sunday at Agapelive.com. His podcast, Take Back Your Mind, is available wherever you get your podcasts.

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Cultivating Wisdom

Tue, 04 Jun 2024 09:00:00 -0700

On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas dives deep into the foundational concept of wisdom - exploring what it takes to cultivate wisdom within ourselves, and how the individual effects of wisdom are deeply intertwined with the whole of humanity.

Thomas believes that wisdom arises when we grow and mature through difficult circumstances, integrating what we learn from these experiences and allowing ourselves to expand. Practicing presence can be challenging for many of us, but the more we integrate the past, the easier it gets.

Presence, as Thomas explains, is a beautiful gift that transcends time. And learning how to live in presence and connection with the whole of existence, the good and the bad, is how we develop wisdom.

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Koshin Paley Ellison | Finding Refuge, Care, and Healing in Meditation

Tue, 28 May 2024 09:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by Koshin Paley Ellison - an author, Zen teacher, Jungian psychotherapist, and co-founder of the New York Zen Center for Contemplative Care. They discuss the deep benefits of Buddhist meditation practice, and how it can enhance the benefits of traditional therapy - allowing us to go to greater depths in our healing work by teaching us how to be present with pain.

Koshin has applied these teachings through his own healing journey and in his groundbreaking program for healthcare workers that developed during the pandemic. He and Thomas explore how the relevance of the Four Noble Truths of Buddhism, honing in on truth #3: that we, as human beings, can actually change.

Koshin believes that by shifting from a model of self-care and self-orientation to an understanding of care that is service-oriented and inclusive of all people, we can learn to see our reality from new perspectives and find joy through more meaningful connections.

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Koshin Paley Ellison is an author, Zen teacher, Jungian psychotherapist, and co-founder of an educational non-profit called the New York Zen Center for Contemplative Care. His books, grounded in Buddhist wisdom and practice, have gained national attention. Through its educational programs, retreats, and Soto Zen Buddhist practices, the New York Zen Center touches thousands of lives every year.

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Peter A. Levine, PhD | Healing Through Connection

Tue, 21 May 2024 09:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by the founder of the Ergos Institute of Somatic Education and the developer of Somatic Experiencing, Peter A. Levine, Ph.D. They discuss how trauma affects our physical bodies, and how the bottom-up approach of Somatic Experiencing helps to heal trauma by addressing the body first.

Peter shares fascinating anecdotes from his own personal and professional history and explains how trauma is transmitted through generations, along with important information about survival and spirituality.

He and Thomas focus on connection as a crucial, if not THE most crucial element of trauma healing, and how grieving and witnessing pain together can bridge massive cultural divides.

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Peter A Levine, Ph.D., is the developer of Somatic Experiencing®, a naturalistic and neurobiological approach to healing trauma. He holds doctorates in both Biophysics and Psychology. He is the Founder and President of the Ergos Institute for Somatic Education and the Founder and Advisor for Somatic Experiencing International. He is the author of several best-selling books on trauma, including Waking the Tiger, Healing Trauma. He has received Lifetime Achievement awards from Psychotherapy Networker and from the US Association for Body-Oriented Psychotherapy.

Peter's book, An Autobiography of Trauma: A Healing Journey is available at: Ergos Institute, Barnes & Noble, Amazon, Amazon UK, Inner Traditions, Books A Million, and Bookshop.org

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Meditation: Mapping the Emotional System

Thu, 16 May 2024 09:00:00 -0700

Thomas guides you through a meditation to connect you to your physical body, and then expand out to include your emotional system, exploring your emotional landscape.

Which emotions are you comfortable with? Which would you rather avoid? You’re encouraged to approach this meditation with openness and curiosity.

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What Do We Mean by Trauma?

Tue, 14 May 2024 09:00:00 -0700

Thomas shares his understanding of the nature of trauma and what is most essential for us to heal as individuals and as a collective.

He explains that trauma is not something that should be stigmatized, but is actually an intelligent evolutionary response that has helped humans to survive overwhelming and painful experiences. But when these events are not fully felt, processed, and integrated, they become frozen in our subconscious, making us reactive to triggers, and causing us to become either hyperactivated, or dissociated and numb.

Thomas explores how we can learn to instead be responsive to these moments, absorbing crucial learning from our reactions, giving us the space and awareness to be present, related, and open to inspiration for constructive solutions and positive change.

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Andrea Gibson | Befriending Mortality

Tue, 07 May 2024 09:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by Andrea Gibson, one of the most celebrated and influential spoken word poets of our time. They discuss how Andrea’s cancer diagnosis resulted in a profound spiritual transformation stemming from a liberating feeling of acceptance. Andrea also explains how this shift radically changed their writing and performances.

Andrea shares stories and poetry that illuminate their unique perspective on death and grief, imploring us to face the unknown with curiosity and courage, and stop fighting against the circumstances of life. They and Thomas explore how welcoming feelings of grief and embracing mortality can enable us to truly cherish our lives and relationships, and imagine a world filled with wonder and awe.

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Andrea Gibson is one of the most celebrated and influential spoken word poets of our time. Best known for their live performances, Gibson has changed the landscape of what it means to attend a “poetry show.” Gibson’s poems center around LGBTQ issues, spirituality, feminism, mental health, and social justice. The winner of the first Women’s World Poetry Slam, Gibson is the author of seven award-winning books and seven full-length albums. Their live shows have become loving and supportive ecosystems for audiences to feel seen, heard, and held through Gibson’s art.

✨ We were deeply saddened to learn of Andrea Gibson’s passing in July 2025. You can connect with Andrea's work here: https://andreagibson.org

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Francis Weller | Grieving in Community

Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by Francis Weller, MFT - a psychotherapist, soul activist, and author of the bestselling, The Wild Edge of Sorrow. They discuss the need to return to a communal, ritual model of witnessing and processing grief.

Francis explains that grief requires two things: containment, and release, and he shares how a structured grief ritual creates a supportive space where grief can be honored, held, and digested. Francis calls this the “village mind” - a communal field that invites us to let go of our individualistic notions about healing. In this context, we can be reminded of our interconnectedness, opened to transmissions from our ancestors, and more receptive to intuition and creativity.

Francis invites us to see our collective crises as an initiation and grief as a reminder of the depth of our love. By understanding generational trauma, and slowing down to engage in communal practices, we can face these dark times with the courage and creativity needed to step into a radically new world.

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Francis Weller is a psychotherapist, writer, and soul activist. He is the author of the bestselling, The Wild Edge of Sorrow: Rituals of Renewal and the Sacred Work of Grief; The Threshold Between Loss and Revelation, (with Rashani Réa) and In the Absence of the Ordinary: Essays in a Time of Uncertainty. For forty-one years Francis has worked as a psychotherapist and developed a style he calls soul-centered psychotherapy. His writings have appeared in anthologies and journals exploring the confluence between psyche, nature, and culture.

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Bonus Meditation: Connecting to Inspiration

Tue, 23 Apr 2024 09:00:00 -0700

In this special bonus episode, Thomas leads us on a guided meditation to help ground us into our bodies and tune in with potentiality. He explores the mystical understanding of inspiration and how spiritual practice can help us to be more open and sense the potential of the future.

This meditation is intended to help us integrate the learnings from the previous three episodes in our four-part series on Technology, Innovation, and Consciousness.

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Innovation, Technology, and Trauma

Tue, 23 Apr 2024 09:00:00 -0700

Thomas examines the relationship between technological innovation, creativity, and trauma healing. He explores how trauma hinders our ability to evolve, update, and grow, and how advances in technology have outpaced the ethical maturity of our collective consciousness.

He emphasizes the need for our societies to integrate collective and ancestral trauma so that we can stop repeating cycles of harm and learn to use our technology wisely.

Thomas stresses that this is possible and that creativity and art can help us to “speak the unspeakable” and harvest essential learning from the frozen wounds of the past.

This episode is part three of a four-part series on Technology, Innovation, and Consciousness.

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Dr. Angel Acosta | AI: The Meeting of Consciousness and Technology, Part 2

Tue, 16 Apr 2024 09:00:00 -0700

Thomas Hübl is joined by contemplative social scientist, consultant, and educator in leadership, social justice, and mindfulness, Dr. Angel Acosta. They discuss the rise of Artificial Intelligence (AI) technology and its implications for our collective evolution as a species. In developing this technology, humans have unintentionally imbued it with our own biases and traumas.

Thomas and Angel reflect on what’s needed for our individual and collective nervous systems to adapt to so much overwhelming information, and how we can incorporate wisdom from mystical and spiritual traditions to guide us through this new frontier.

Can we examine how AI is mirroring humanity in order to achieve new levels of spiritual, emotional, and psychosocial evolution? Can we learn to use these imperfect tools to propel us forward in our interconnected evolution instead of perpetuating separation and polarization?

This episode is part two of a four-part series on Technology, Innovation, and Consciousness.

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Dr. Angel Acosta is the principal consultant at Acosta Consulting. His work is focused on bridging the fields of leadership, social justice, and mindfulness. He has a doctorate degree in curriculum and teaching from Teachers College, Columbia University. Over the last couple of years, he has co-designed the Contemplating 400 Years of Inequality Experience – a contemplative journey to understand structural inequality. He's a proud member of the 400 Years of Inequality Project, based at the New School in New York.

Learn more here: 👉 https://www.drangelacosta.com/

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Randima Fernando | Building Humane Technology

Tue, 09 Apr 2024 10:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by Co-Founder of the Center for Humane Technology, Randima Fernando. They discuss how technology hijacks our dopamine response and reinforces trauma symptoms. Randima explains the downstream consequences of the “attention economy,” including social media’s addictiveness and its negative impacts on our psychology.

He and Thomas explore how better technology education, along with mindfulness practices, can offset these negative effects and help us bring our dopamine systems back into balance. Randima emphasizes how important it is, for both children and adults, to understand our own moral motivations so that we can become less susceptible to manipulation from technology and media.

This episode is part one of a four-part series on Technology, Innovation, and Consciousness.

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Randima Fernando is a Co-Founder of the Center for Humane Technology, which has helped over 100 million people understand the harms of extractive technology through the documentary film “The Social Dilemma,” the podcast Your Undivided Attention, and many other projects. Randima served for seven years as founding Executive Director at Mindful Schools, a nonprofit that has taught mindfulness to kids and educators worldwide. He is the author of three #1-ranked books on 3D graphics over seven years at NVIDIA. He also serves on the board of Spirit Rock Meditation Center.

Learn more here: 👉 https://randima.com/

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Elise Loehnen | Confronting Our Cultural Shadows

Tue, 02 Apr 2024 10:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by the author of the New York Times bestseller, On Our Best Behavior, and the host of the podcast “Pulling the Thread”, Elise Loehnen. They discuss what she calls the ‘cultural shadow’ of women - the ideas and behaviors that women have been socialized and conditioned to reject - and how women can embrace their complicated totality instead of repressing their authentic selves.

Elise’s recent book examines women’s social conditioning through the lens of the “seven deadly sins”. She and Thomas explore the trap of “goodness” for women and how the standards imposed on them lead to harmful repression, inequality, and resentment.

Elise stresses that people of all genders are harmed by unfair standards that are propagated through social power structures, and posits that we can free ourselves from these constricting gender roles by reframing our thinking and integrating our shadows instead of projecting them onto others.

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Elise Loehnen is a New York Times bestselling author and the host of the podcast, Pulling the Thread, where she interviews cultural luminaries about the big questions of today. She’s the author of the New York Times bestselling On Our Best Behavior: The Seven Deadly Sins and the Price Women Pay to be Good. She has also co-written 12 books, including five New York Times Best Sellers. Previously, she was the chief content officer of goop. While there, Elise co-hosted The goop Podcast and The goop Lab on Netflix, and led the brand’s content strategy and programming. She was previously the editorial projects director of Conde Nast Traveler, and before that, the editor at large and deputy editor of Lucky Magazine, where she also served as the on-air spokesperson.

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Dr. Joy DeGruy | Dissolving the Barriers to Connection

Tue, 26 Mar 2024 11:00:00 -0700

On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by internationally renowned researcher, educator, and author Dr. Joy DeGruy. They discuss how fear and ignorance impact our ability to recognize our fundamental oneness, and what’s needed for American society to come together to heal our collective wounds. Dr. DeGruy has spent a lengthy career in what she calls “heart work” - bringing people together to share their stories and generate a level of intimacy, empathy, and understanding that can only be gained through first-hand experience.

She and Thomas explore how trauma has been normalized for marginalized groups and the need for those with privilege to examine their biases, particularly anti-black racism, and use their power to advocate for what’s right. They discuss our collective tendency to try to avoid feelings and upsetting information, and how we must do the opposite and lean into these difficult learnings and conversations in order to stop repeating the harms that sow division.

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Dr. Joy DeGruy is an internationally renowned researcher and educator. For over two decades, she served as an Assistant Professor at Portland State University’s School of Social Work and now serves as President and Chief Executive Officer of Joy DeGruy Publications Inc. Her research focuses on the intersection of racism, trauma, violence, and American chattel slavery. She conducts workshops and trainings in the areas of intergenerational/ historical trauma, mental health, social justice, improvement strategies, and evidence-based model development. Dr. DeGruy has published numerous refereed journal articles and authored her seminal book entitled Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome: America’s Legacy of Enduring Injury & Healing.

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Embodying Our Soul’s Capacity

Tue, 19 Mar 2024 11:00:00 -0700

Thomas explores the idea of spiritual insight and how having a consistent, disciplined, contemplative practice can increase the depth of meditation and allow genuine insights to emerge. As we travel through life, we can learn to see the movement that is inherent in everything and use our soul’s energy to realize our potential and discover where we are called to belong.

Thomas considers this idea of “finding your way” and how we can be open to our planet’s knowledge and evolution and use that information creatively to illuminate our own path forward. But that’s not the only key piece - we must also practice attunement within our personal relationships and absorb lessons from our ancestors so that we can move into the future without re-creating the past.

This episode was recorded as part of the 2018 Celebrate Life Festival.

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Dr. Sará King and Dr. Dan Siegel | The Neuroscience of Belonging

Tue, 12 Mar 2024 11:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by neuroscientist, education philosopher, and social entrepreneur Dr. Sará King, and clinical professor of psychiatry, co-director of the Mindful Awareness Research Center at UCLA, and Executive Director of the Mindsight Institute Dr. Dan Siegel.

They discuss the concept of Intrapersonal Neurobiology - an interdisciplinary approach to understanding how our minds create our experiences, with an emphasis on the benefits of what Dr. Siegel refers to as “self-expanding emotions” - empathy, compassion, gratitude, and awe.

They dive deep into the idea of the collective nervous system, how we can learn to experience it, and how that can help us shift from defining the self as a solo entity to understanding humanity as fundamentally interconnected. In doing this, Dr. King and Dr. Siegel posit that we can create a stronger sense of belonging, increase our sustainability, and assist in the evolution of the planet instead of its destruction.

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Dr. Sará King is a neuroscientist, political and learning scientist, education philosopher, social-entrepreneur, public speaker, and yoga and meditation instructor. She is a post-doctoral fellow in Neurology at Oregon Health Science University, a Garrison Institute Fellow, and Society for Neuroscience Associate, and a member of Google’s well-being think tank “Vitality Lab.” She is also the founder of MindHeart Consulting, a scientific consulting firm.

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Dr. Dan Siegel is a clinical professor of psychiatry at the UCLA School of Medicine and the founding co-director of the Mindful Awareness Research Center at UCLA. He is also the Executive Director of the Mindsight Institute which teaches insight, empathy, and integration in individuals, families, and communities. He is the author of many books, including five New York Times bestsellers. Dr. Siegel also serves as the Founding Editor for the Norton Professional Series on Interpersonal Neurobiology.

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Sebene Selassie | Cultivating Interconnectedness Through Meditation

Tue, 05 Mar 2024 13:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by writer, speaker, and meditation teacher Sebene Selassie. She provides guidance and wisdom for meditation instructors and beginners alike. She and Thomas discuss ways to create a consistent, coherent, and long-term practice, even when meditation feels difficult or overwhelming due to trauma.

Sebene explains key elements, such as mindfulness and compassion, that can help us build a strong foundation and observe what arises during meditation with kindness and understanding. She and Thomas also explore how meditation can benefit activism and participation in society, and the importance of practicing in relation and community, especially for those of us dealing with trauma.

Sebene opens up about her own healing journey, and how her meditation practice has helped her accept difficult realities and learn to be present with pain. She shares how her practice has illuminated our interconnectedness, and how we can all use our basic senses to experience this connection and shape our experience of reality.

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Sebene Selassie is a writer, teacher, and speaker who explores themes of belonging, resilience, and transformation through contemplative, creative, and nature-based practices. She is trained as a meditation teacher, an integral coach, a practitioner of Indigenous Focusing Oriented Therapy for Complex Trauma (IFOT), and is a licensed hiking guide in New York State. Sebene is also a devoted student of mystic traditions. She has taught classes, workshops, and retreats since 2010. Her first book, You Belong: A Call for Connection, is published by HarperOne.

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Frederic Laloux | Trauma-Informed Organizations

Tue, 27 Feb 2024 12:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by celebrated business thinker, social entrepreneur, Founder of "The Week", and author of Reinventing Organizations, Frederic Laloux. They discuss how hierarchy relies on certain people having power over others, and how this concept is antithetical to our true human nature, despite being deeply ingrained in society.

They explore Frederic’s work to help organizations shift to a “self-managing” model, and what it takes to get people on board. Frederic has learned that by bringing people together to surface their deepest assumptions about their way of operating, and examining what that implies about humanity, they can organically come to accept a non-hierarchical structure.

He and Thomas discuss how our economic and educational systems reify a worldview of scarcity and distrust, and how we would all benefit from a more communal society. They also dive deep into Frederic’s work on climate change, and how his organization “The Week” is creating spaces to process the harsh reality of environmental disaster so that we can discover new avenues to combat it without feeling alienated and alone.

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Frederic Laloux is a celebrated business thinker and social entrepreneur. His seminal book Reinventing Organizations has sold more than 1,000,000 copies in 20+ languages. It is widely considered to have opened up a new field of inquiry and practice into a more purposeful, soulful, and productive management paradigm. His thinking has inspired countless leaders from start-ups to large corporations, from nonprofits to faith movements, and from government agencies to founders of some of the largest climate movements. His current focus is on The Week, a powerful new approach to inspire mass mobilization to confront the climate and environmental breakdown.

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Becoming and Belonging

Tue, 20 Feb 2024 12:00:00 -0700

Thomas discusses two forces that drive us as human beings: the will to become, and the will to belong. He explores how our formative parental relationships can either encourage or subdue our drive to become our authentic selves and how our early strategies to compensate for scarcity can influence our path as adults.

Thomas emphasizes the relationship between becoming and creativity and notes the harm caused by inhibiting a child’s freedom to be themselves. Ultimately, we all seek nourishing relationships imbued with supportive energy. And although trauma tends to reduce our spiritual energy, we can learn to reconnect to the source and get back to a place of abundance.

This episode was recorded as part of the 2018 Celebrate Life Festival.

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Alanis Morissette | Journey of Empowerment

Tue, 13 Feb 2024 12:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by wholeness advocate, thought leader, and legendary Grammy Award-winning singer-songwriter, Alanis Morissette.

They discuss how to adhere to your values while passionately pursuing your life’s purpose, and how to re-connect to your authentic self after experiencing trauma. Alanis shares the somatic practices that helped her to overcome dissociation and experience embodiment again, and the pivotal role that art and music played in her journey.

She and Thomas also explore how difficult it can be to thrive in a competitive, male-dominated industry as a highly sensitive person, and how becoming a parent contributed to her personal development and ultimately helped her heal her own trauma.

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Alanis Morissette is a widely influential singer-songwriter with 14 Canadian Juno Awards, 7 Grammys, and over 75 million albums sold. She’s known for her debut “JAGGED LITTLE PILL,” and has released nine more acclaimed albums. Beyond music and acting, she’s committed to spiritual and psychological well-being, supporting causes like recovery and female empowerment. In 2016, she launched a podcast where she shares her insights. Her multifaceted career highlights her impact across multiple platforms and subjects.

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Bob Delaney & Harry Dunn | Transforming Trauma into Action

Tue, 06 Feb 2024 12:00:00 -0700

On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by author, political candidate, and former US Capitol Police Officer Harry Dunn, and author, consultant, and advocate for post-trauma awareness, Bob Delaney. They discuss the trauma faced by public servants, including those in law enforcement, and what can be done to foster healing and end cultural stigmas around therapy and mental health challenges.

Harry opens up about how he’s channeling his anger from a traumatic experience into positive action for change. He explains how his willingness to be open about his struggles has been instrumental in his healing and is now an inspiration for others.

All three agree that vulnerability comes from a place of strength, not weakness, and they explore how we can create safe, judgment-free environments where those who have experienced trauma can feel comfortable opening up and receiving help.

Point of Relation podcast does not support or oppose candidates for public office or political parties. Guest appearances do not imply endorsement by the host or producers.

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Harry Dunn joined the United States Capitol Police in 2008, and since 2011 has served with the rank of Private First Class. He has been on duty for presidential inaugurations, joint sessions of Congress, State of the Union addresses as well as hundreds of peaceful protests and demonstrations. As a Crisis Intervention Officer on the USCP Crisis Negotiation Team, he is trained to respond to hostage or barricade situations and assisting individuals who may be experiencing a mental crisis. He speaks candidly about the trauma he experienced as well as the larger sociopolitical and historical significance of the events he witnessed. A prominent and essential voice, Officer Dunn shares his first-hand experience with audiences that include government groups, law enforcement, mental health professionals, colleges and universities, and community organizations.

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Bob Delaney is an author and an advocate for post-trauma awareness. He has worked with the military, law enforcement, firefighters, first responders, healthcare workers, and many others by providing post-trauma awareness and education. His contributions to PTSD awareness and support to military officials and their families have been recognized with honors and proclamations from many, including President Barack Obama and senior-ranking military leaders. He consults globally on leadership, resiliency, trauma, and self-care.

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In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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Integrating the Past to Rewrite the Future

Tue, 30 Jan 2024 12:00:00 -0700

Thomas Hübl explores what motivates people to walk the spiritual path, and how it can be difficult to discern our true calling when our personal and societal environments are fragmented. He explains how being present with and processing our experiences allows us to fulfill our spiritual karma, heal inherited wounds, and close narrative circles that originated in the past.

Thomas defines karma as an unconscious energy that presents us with a choice: allow this energy to be passed on un-processed, or consciously process this energy so that we can light the way towards a more creative, authentic, and evolved future.

This episode was recorded during the 2018 Celebrate Life Festival.

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Rev. angel Kyodo williams | Racial Healing and the Yearning to Be Seen

Mon, 22 Jan 2024 12:00:00 -0700

On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by author, spiritual teacher, outspoken activist, and the founder of the Center for Transformative Change - Reverend angel Kyodo williams. They discuss the healing power of being seen as your true self, and how this creates the conditions for collective healing.

Rev. angel explores how systems of power and oppression have created divisions in our society and undermined our sense of belonging, especially for Black people and other marginalized groups.But in creating safe spaces that are resilient enough to allow our true selves and feelings to arise, we find relationality through our suffering, and begin to heal these culturally ingrained divisions.

And while this work is neither comfortable nor easy, our increasing willingness to sit with discomfort illustrates our innate desire for liberation and connectedness.

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Rev. angel Kyodo williams is a maverick spiritual teacher, master trainer, outspoken activist and social visionary. She is a leading voice for Transformative Change, practicing at the intersection of personal change and social transformation. For over 15 years, she has deeply invested her time and energy in putting into practice her unwavering belief that the key to transforming society is transforming our inner lives. She has developed comprehensive systems for illuminating both practical personal change and the profoundly liberating potential of mindfulness, yoga, and somatic practices coupled with wisdom teachings.

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Bob Delaney | Moral Injury and Restoration

Tue, 16 Jan 2024 12:00:00 -0700

On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by author, consultant, and advocate for post-trauma awareness, Bob Delaney. They discuss the profound impact of Bob’s time doing undercover work to infiltrate mafia crime families. He experienced intense shame and guilt from deceiving the people he was investigating, despite believing that the work was necessary.

He and Thomas discuss how Bob overcame the isolation and trauma of repressing these emotions, and how society can better serve the first responders who endure so much trauma in their lines of work.

Bob emphasizes the importance of having outlets to express emotions rather than repressing them and the need to improve attunement and relational capacities between these workers and the people they’re serving.

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In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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Post-Traumatic Learning and Sensitivity | A Q&A Episode

Tue, 09 Jan 2024 12:00:00 -0700

Thomas answers questions submitted by listeners. He explores how post-traumatic learning and growth can occur both individually and collectively. Collective healing is a powerful force that can help our societies evolve by surfacing past wounds that need to be addressed, giving us the opportunity to restore our social ethics, and helping to prevent similar traumatic events from occurring in the future.

He also discusses what causes a person to be “highly sensitive,” and how approaches to nervous system regulation and emotional grounding should be tailored to fit the needs of people with this type of refined perception.

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Zainab Salbi | Self-Kindness in Humanitarian and Climate Work

Tue, 02 Jan 2024 12:00:00 -0700

On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by humanitarian, writer, and social entrepreneur Zainab Salbi. They discuss the difficult nature of working in the humanitarian space to address the many injustices that people, particularly women, face worldwide. Zainab explains how being open and vulnerable about her own traumatic experiences gave her the compassion and inspiration needed to tell women’s stories and work to end oppression, systemic violence, and climate change.

In a line of work that is so emotionally taxing, she’s learned firsthand how crucial it is to resource yourself with the same kindness you show to others and care for your own emotional well-being. As she puts it, “You can’t give out of an empty well.”

Trigger Warning: This episode includes discussion of sexual assault and violence against women. If you anticipate this topic to be too triggering for you to hear about and effectively process on your own, we recommend you choose not to listen.

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Zainab Salbi is a humanitarian, a writer and a social entrepreneur who has dedicated her life to women’s rights and freedom. She is the co-founder of Daughters for Earth and Women for Women International, a humanitarian organization dedicated to women survivors of wars. She is the author of several books, including Freedom Is an Inside Job; Owning our Darkness and Our Light to Change Ourselves and the World. She is also the Executive Editor and Host of several shows including Through Her Eyes with Yahoo News, and The Zainab Salbi Project with Huffington Post. She is a Young Global Leader with the World Economic Forum and serves on the Boards of Vital Voices, International Refugee Assistance Program (IRAP), and Synergos International.

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David Whyte | The Vulnerable Choice of Breaking our Hearts Open

Tue, 26 Dec 2023 12:00:00 -0700

On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by poet, author, speaker, and leadership consultant, David Whyte. They discuss the deep benefits of learning to hold both happiness and difficulty at the same time. David shares some of his poetry and the personal experiences that helped him to directly observe the interconnectedness of all living beings.

He and Thomas explore our individual and collective reluctance to be vulnerable, present, and open to change, and how embracing those aspects of life can open us to true maturation and healing. As David explains, there is beauty to be found even in pain and grief, and making space for these challenging emotions also opens us to the most joyous ones.

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David Whyte is the author of eleven books of poetry and four books of prose. He holds a degree in Marine Zoology, has worked as a naturalist guide in the Galapagos Islands, and has led anthropological and natural history expeditions in the Andes, Amazon, and the Himalayas. He works with many European, American, and international companies in the field of organizational development. He is the recipient of two honorary degrees: from Neumann College in Pennsylvania and Royal Roads University in Victoria, British Columbia.

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MaryCatherine McDonald | The Intelligence of the Trauma Response

Tue, 19 Dec 2023 12:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by PhD trauma researcher, life coach, and the author of "Unbroken", MaryCatherine McDonald.

They discuss Dr. McDonald’s work to redefine our understanding of trauma and eliminate the stigma surrounding it. Using scientific research, and through the lens of her own experiences with trauma and grief, Dr. McDonald has developed a definition of trauma that describes it as “an unbearable emotional experience that lacks a relational home.”

She and Thomas explore how symptoms of trauma are adaptive rather than pathological, and how feeling ashamed of them inhibits our ability to heal. Dr. McDonald explains that healing is “an evolution and a becoming, not a destination that we arrive at,” and offers insight into how relational attunement and group trauma work can support us on this non-linear path.

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Becoming Mindful Global Citizens: A Q&A Episode

Tue, 12 Dec 2023 11:00:00 -0700

Thomas answers questions from Point of Relation listeners about activism, presencing, and staying grounded and open to joy amidst global suffering and uncertainty. He explores the mutually resourcing relationship between contemplative, internal practices, and collective actions that aim to affect social and political change.

He also offers tools and practices to help us maintain emotional and spiritual regulation while being deeply affected by current events.

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Lama Tsomo | Bonus: Meditation on the Suffering of Being Misunderstood

Thu, 07 Dec 2023 12:00:00 -0700

In this short bonus episode, Tibetan Buddhist teacher, author, and co-founder of the Namchak Foundation, Lama Tsomo shares a Tonglen Meditation practice. In Tibetan, Tonglen means “sending and receiving.” Lama Tsomo guides us through a compassion practice focused on the pain of being misunderstood. She invites us to first send compassion to ourselves, then to someone we know, and finally to all of humanity.

In this 10-minute meditation, the empathetic part of our brain is activated, dissolving the barrier between “us” and “them" and inspiring connection to ourselves, our loved ones, and the world.

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Lama Tsomo is an American lama, author, and co-founder of the Namchak Retreat Ranch, specializing in Tibetan Buddhist wisdom and meditation. Born into a Jewish household, she became a lama in Tibetan Buddhism and is fluent in Tibetan. She is passionate about educating young people and supporting positive social change. She holds an M.A. in Counseling Psychology and has authored two books about Tibetan Buddhist practices.

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Lama Tsomo | Spiritual Practices for the Real World

Tue, 05 Dec 2023 11:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by Tibetan Buddhist teacher, author, and co-founder of the Namchak Foundation, Lama Tsomo. They discuss Tibetan Buddhist teachings and practices that illuminate our fundamental interconnectedness and enable us to approach our relationships and our reality with greater compassion and empathy. Lama Tsomo explains how Compassion Meditation can help loosen the grip of the ego, and make us less reactive in conflict.

They also explore the different levels of depth in meditation practice, the deep, healing value of group practices, and how we can experience spiritual one-ness and unification without bypassing the hardships of our physical reality. As Lama Tsomo puts it, “The antidote to violence is empathy.”

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Zenju Earthlyn Manuel | Paths to Healing: Contemplation, Mysticism, and Ritual

Tue, 28 Nov 2023 11:00:00 -0700

On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas is joined by author, poet, ordained Zen Buddhist priest, teacher, and artist, Zenju Earthlyn Manuel. They discuss the gateways in Zenju’s life that put her on her spiritual path. Zenju beautifully describes the joyful curiosity of spiritual inquiry, and the power of ritual and ceremony to create sacred spaces where collective pain and trauma can be expressed, witnessed, and healed.

She explores the rhythmic quality of ritual and meditative practices, and how they can help us access a deep silence from which creativity and presence naturally emerge. She and Thomas also explore the accessibility of meditation, the benefits of ancestral healing, and the spiritual qualities of social justice work.

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Zenju Earthlyn Marselean Manuel - author, visual artist, poet, drummer, and ordained Zen Buddhist priest, was born in Los Angeles, California to parents who migrated from Creole Louisiana. Zenju Earthlyn's spiritual writing is steeped in ancient memories of her ancestors and therefore explores the deep inner spiritual journey of our human existence. Her publications are rich with insights into birth and death, transformation, transcendence, and the exploration of other worlds. In essence, she offers the riches of her internal discoveries that can be difficult to put into words. Her work has been endorsed by venerable teachers such as Thich Nhat Hanh, Charles Johnson, and Iyanla Vazant. She holds both a master's and a doctorate degree.

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Stephen Gyllenhaal | Navigating Uncertainty with Empathy

Tue, 21 Nov 2023 11:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by filmmaker and founder of the Identity Development Institute, Stephen Gyllenhaal. They discuss the pain of living during these uncertain and tumultuous times, and how having the courage to face our collective trauma can help us navigate this unprecedented era. In an interconnected world, things like violence, war, and mental illness are undeniable. And sometimes the institutions that are meant to address these problems fall short.

Stephen and Thomas explore the importance of surfacing our collective wounds, and resonating with them so that those who are suffering can maintain healing connections instead of feeling isolated and alone.

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In 2017, after 50 years in the psychological sector, Stephen founded The Identity Development Institute helping people heal from the impact of trauma from conception through pre-verbal development. He’s also been an award-winning Hollywood director, primarily focusing on psychological issues, and in recent years has turned his attention to documentaries that explore social structures and early human development.

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Creating Safe Spaces At Work: A Q&A Episode

Tue, 14 Nov 2023 11:00:00 -0700

In part two of this special Q&A series, Thomas answers more of the thoughtful questions submitted by listeners during his recent live event with Dr. Gabor Maté. This Q&A centers on topics explored in Thomas’ recently released book - Attuned.

In this episode, Thomas discusses the impact of individual healing and attunement on larger social systems, and what is needed to create more grounded, attuned, and trauma-informed workplaces.

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Joana Breidenbach | Disinformation Through the Lens of Trauma

Tue, 07 Nov 2023 11:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by cultural anthropologist, social entrepreneur, and author, Joana Breidenbach. They discuss the ecosystem of disinformation that is fragmenting society and the systemic factors that contribute to it.

Joana explains the role that technology plays in how we obtain and interpret information, exploring the motives of those who spread disinformation, and the historical trends that have made it increasingly difficult for people to understand unfamiliar perspectives. She and Thomas also examine how individual and collective trauma can make us more susceptible to disinformation, and how greater self-reflection, embodiment, and humility can make us more resilient to it.

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Joana Breidenbach is a cultural anthropologist, social entrepreneur, and author. She is co-founder of betterplace.org, Germany’s largest donation platform. In 2010, she founded the betterplace lab, a think tank researching the use of digital technologies for the common good. She has been studying with Thomas Hübl for over a decade and explores the importance of inner work for entrepreneurship and social innovation.

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Pádraig Ó Tuama | Creating Healing Spaces

Tue, 31 Oct 2023 10:00:00 -0700

Thomas is interviewed by distinguished Irish poet, theologian and mediator, and the host of the Poetry Unbound podcast, Pádraig Ó Tuama. They discuss the relationship between spirituality, religion, and trauma, and the importance of incorporating art - including writing, poetry, and visual art - into social healing rituals. Pádraig emphasizes that “Art speaks to our being in a different way than rational words.”

Their conversation also focuses on the need for structured spaces in society where people can eschew dogmatic thinking and digest fear and pain together in order to feel more grounded and gain valuable new perspectives.

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Pádraig Ó Tuama is the host of On Being’s Poetry Unbound — a podcast that has gained over 10 million downloads since its start in 2020 — and also the author of Poetry Unbound; 50 Poems to Open Your Life. Profiled by The New Yorker, and published in Poetry Ireland, the Harvard Review, The Kenyon Review, and many others, he brings interests in conflict, language, religion, and power to his work. His most recent collection is Feed the Beast (Broken Sleep Books, 2022).

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Rabbi Dr. Tirzah Firestone: Metabolizing Intergenerational Trauma

Tue, 24 Oct 2023 10:00:00 -0700

On this episode of Point of Relation, Thomas Hübl is joined by author, Jungian psychotherapist, and renowned Jewish scholar, Rabbi Dr. Tirzah Firestone. They discuss the centuries of trauma that have yet to be metabolized in our collective unconscious, and what we can do, both individually and collectively, to integrate and heal from this painful shared history.

She and Thomas explore how trauma lives in our nervous systems, and is transmitted across generations via epigenetics. They agree that we can start to meaningfully recover from these wounds by borrowing, with permission, the nutrition provided by wisdom traditions around the world.

Rabbi Firestone also shares an energy-raising exercise for sparking beautiful renewal.

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Rabbi Tirzah Firestone, PhD, is an author, Jungian psychotherapist, leader in the international Jewish Renewal Movement, and a renowned Jewish scholar and teacher. Widely known for her groundbreaking work on Kabbalah, depth psychology, intergenerational trauma healing, and the re-integration of the feminine wisdom tradition within Judaism, Rabbi Tirzah lectures and teaches internationally about spiritual and ancient wisdom practices that are honed to assist us at this critical time in world history. She is the author of the award-winning book, Wounds into Wisdom: Healing Intergenerational Jewish Trauma.

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Healing Across Divides: A Q&A Episode with Thomas Hübl

Tue, 17 Oct 2023 10:00:00 -0700

In this special Q&A episode, Thomas answers some insightful questions submitted by listeners during his recent live event with Dr. Gabor Maté, which focused on topics explored in Thomas’ recently released book - Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World.

The questions covered by Thomas explore how to practice attunement in an environment of harsh political polarization, why it’s difficult - but possible - to feel attuned to collective issues even when there is discord in your family or personal relationships, and that the numbness many of us feel in response to trauma is not a barrier to attunement but a valid experience that we would all benefit from attuning to.

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Dr. Angel Acosta - AI: The Meeting of Consciousness and Technology, Part 1

Tue, 10 Oct 2023 10:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by contemplative social scientist, consultant, and educator in leadership, social justice, and mindfulness, Dr. Angel Acosta. They discuss Artificial Intelligence, or AI, and the radical shifts it is generating in our lives, our work, and our collective consciousness.

While AI holds incredible potential for the evolution of humanity, its creation and implementation also raise a number of serious ethical concerns.

Thomas and Dr. Acosta explore how this cutting-edge technology mirrors both the best and worst aspects of human society and how our approach to it can either create further discrimination and trauma or help us to better understand ourselves and collectively heal.

Key points discussed in this episode include:

✨How addressing the biases inherent in AI technology can create a leap forward in collective consciousness

✨The fear that occurs when new inventions arise, and how integrating trauma enables us to assess the situation with more clarity

✨The need to heal deep wounds in our collective unconscious so that they are not propagated by AI

✨How the widespread use of AI represents a major evolutionary moment for our species

✨Exploring what it would look like to develop AI for the specific purpose of healing trauma

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Dr. Angel Acosta is a contemplative social scientist, consultant, and educator in leadership, social justice, and mindfulness who earned his Ed.D. in Curriculum and Teaching from Teachers College at Columbia University. He is the convener of the Healing Centered Education Summit, Chair of the Acosta Institute, and Director of the Garrison Institute's Fellowship Program.

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Jack Kornfield - Healing Trauma Through Collective Meditation

Tue, 03 Oct 2023 10:00:00 -0700

Thomas Hübl is joined by writer, trained Buddhist monk, and meditation teacher, Jack Kornfield. They discuss how Buddhist meditation and mindfulness practices, in combination with more traditional forms of therapy, can help to heal individual and collective trauma.

Jack explores how his own traumatic experiences led him to Buddhism. Early in his spiritual journey, he spent extensive time in highly traumatized environments. There, he learned the importance of creating safe, ritual containers where people can come together to share and process their trauma.

He believes that mindful, loving awareness is a skill that anyone can learn, and it’s an essential practice for anyone seeking to heal their own trauma or be a compassionate witness to the trauma of others.

Ultimately, Jack believes that love is our most powerful tool to address the world’s most dire problems.

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Christina Bethell - Relational Systems of Health Care

Tue, 26 Sep 2023 10:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by internationally recognized change agent and Professor at Johns Hopkins University, Christina Bethell. They discuss her research and work to transform children’s healthcare systems and promote relational well-being for families and communities.

Christina has created what she calls the Positive Childhood Experiences Scale, a measurement of beneficial relational experiences that can help to offset the effects of Adverse Childhood Experiences, or ACEs. She and Thomas explore how medical health providers, therapists, and families can improve their relational attunement and build lasting connections that build pathways to healing.

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Understanding and Healing from Collective Trauma

Tue, 19 Sep 2023 10:00:00 -0700

Thomas Hübl shares his perspective on the fundamentals of collective trauma. He describes it as an ecosystem that we all inhabit, and all affect. He explores what societies can do to foster growth and healing while enduring repeated traumatic events, both large-scale and personal. According to Thomas, therein lies the key - healing on both the individual and collective levels.

He discusses what makes an effective community healing space, and how such spaces allow us to integrate our traumatic past, giving us the tools to address our current systemic problems and build societies that are more just and resilient.

Key Points:

00:00 Introduction

00:58 The existence of collective trauma

04:33 How collective trauma remains frozen

08:51 The need for activism and healing spaces

10:04 Causes and effects of unrecognized trauma

13:41 How to cultivate healing from collective trauma

17:14 Why shared safe spaces are crucial for transformation

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Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds.

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Otto Scharmer and Antoinette Klatzky - Creating Social Systems with a Soul

Tue, 12 Sep 2023 10:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by Senior Lecturer in the MIT Management Sloan School, and the Founding Chair of the Presencing Institute, Otto Scharmer, and facilitator, systems change leader, intrapreneur, and strategist, Antoinette Klatzky. They discuss what Otto calls the “architectures of connection”-- the social systems and structures that can either be extractive and perpetuate violence and trauma, or be open and regenerative and enable healing.

Thomas, Antionette, and Otto also explore how they’ve taken differing paths to the same conclusion; that all societies need collective healing spaces where intense emotions and experiences can be witnessed and creative inspiration for the future can emerge.

Key Points:

00:00 Introduction

01:54 Healing as staying heart-connected

04:24 The lack of societal architectures for healing spaces

10:02 Cultivating our inner soil for regeneration

15:42 Social systems and the root of structural violence

21:55 Awareness of the social field

26:15 The presence of the circle being and how it works

35:10 The impact of acknowledging pain and trauma

39:37 The enabling conditions for healing

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Joy Harjo - The Power of Collective Healing

Tue, 05 Sep 2023 10:00:00 -0700

Thomas speaks with internationally renowned performer, writer of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation, and 23rd Poet Laureate of the United States, Joy Harjo. They discuss the power of poetry to open our awareness, allow access to greater knowledge, and connect with other humans throughout history. Joy shares what drew her to poetry, and how her work is deeply rooted in her ancestral lineage.

She and Thomas explore how to attune to the living ancestral field that we inhabit, and how to reckon with historical trauma through storytelling rituals and ceremonies. Joy also reads an excerpt from her 2021 memoir, Poet Warrior: A Call for Love and Justice, and shares two poems, This Morning I Pray for My Enemies, and For Calling the Spirit Back from Wandering the Earth in Its Human Feet.

Key Points:

00:00 Introduction

01:47 Finding poetry and one’s divine mission

07:27 Reading snippets from Joy’s books

19:27 The significance of listening

21:38 Poetry as a doorway to the unknown

25:02 Conflict and humanity in storytelling

31:02 Creating fluidity and healing with words

37:59 Channeling your inner knowing

46:29 History never rests

51:41 How poetry and visual art amplify the abstract

57:40 Final thoughts

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Joy Harjo, the 23rd Poet Laureate of the United States, is a member of the Muscogee Nation. Harjo began writing poetry as a member of the University of New Mexico’s Native student organization, the Kiva Club, in response to Native empowerment movements.

Harjo is the author of ten books of award-winning poetry, three children’s books, and several screenplays and collections of prose interviews. Harjo performs with her saxophone and flutes, solo and with her band, the Arrow Dynamics Band, and previously with Joy Harjo and Poetic Justice. In addition to serving as a three-term U.S. Poet Laureate, Harjo is a chancellor of the Academy of American Poets and is a founding board member and Chair of the Native Arts and Cultures Foundation. She has recently been inducted into the American Academy of Arts and Letters, the American Philosophical Society, the National Native American Hall of Fame, and the National Woman’s Hall of Fame. She lives in Tulsa, Oklahoma where she is the inaugural Artist-in-Residence of the Bob Dylan Center.

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Mallika Dutt - Interconnectedness and Sacred Activism

Tue, 29 Aug 2023 10:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by Mallika Dutt, a longtime advocate for equity and well-being for people and the planet, and the founder of the non-profit organizations INTER-CONNECTED, Breakthrough, and Sakhi. They discuss the pivotal moments in Mallika’s life that brought the concepts of sacredness, interdependence, and interconnectedness into her activism.

Mallika shares her commitment to the collective liberation of all beings on this planet, and how anchoring ourselves to that commitment can move us out of old paradigms and enable us to create new, restorative patterns in our relationships and in the larger world.

She and Thomas explore Mallika’s personal path to understanding our fundamental oneness, and methods we can all use to find greater self-acceptance, mediate conflict, address harm, and heal trauma in a restorative and grounded way.

Key Points:

00:00 Introduction

05:47 Putting the sacred in activism

13:46 Breaking the triangle of disempowerment

19:43 Collective liberation and how to get there

22:01 Interconnectedness as an awareness of our role in the world

26:18 Navigating conflict with presencing

29:49 The ability to hold complexity in safe spaces

33:05 The power of rituals

40:07 Daily practices for interconnectedness

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The Art of Attunement

Tue, 22 Aug 2023 11:00:00 -0700

Thomas Hübl further expands on Attunement– a relational mindfulness practice that allows our nervous systems to feel one another and transmit many layers of information. He explains that each of us contains a rich inner world that we must get to know in order to attune with others. When we create inner calm, we also create a safe space where we can be fully present with people in their authentic entirety. These attuned environments can lead to entire ecosystems of Attunement where deep emotional connections are fostered over time.

Thomas also explores how Attunement grants us greater social agency, or the ability to effectively transmit our inner gifts to the outer world. This quality is essential to activism and change-making as it deepens our care for the world and enables us to take action.

Key Points:

00:00 Introduction

03:21 What is attunement?

06:38 Creating safety and social impact

08:35 Creating ecosystems of attunement

10:24 Precision is love 12:31 Enriching life and cultivating presence

14:45 Attunement breeds citizens with a purpose

16:54 Appreciating quietness to encourage growth

18:10 Balancing one’s needs with the world's needs

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Stephen Gyllenhaal | Healing Trauma Through Resonance and Storytelling

Tue, 15 Aug 2023 11:00:00 -0700

According to filmmaker and founder of the Identity Development Institute, Stephen Gyllenhaal, “The best instrument in the world is another human being.” In this episode, he and Thomas discuss the importance of resonance to trauma healing. Similar to attunement, resonance involves communication between nervous systems wherein our bodies transmit our pain to others within a safe and open environment.

This is also the basis for the Intention Method (IoPT) sessions that changed Stephen’s life and inspired him to start training others in this unique methodology. He explains that early traumas make positive change and evolution difficult, and how being present in connection with others has allowed him to experience profound healing.

He and Thomas also discuss how the art of cinema is a form of resonance, and the themes of galactic resonance that are explored in his upcoming documentary, The Universe Sings.

Key Points:

00:45 Movies as an expression of trauma

06:54 Trauma travels generations

11:24 Healing requires digging at the core

18:45 The human being as an attuned resonator

24:52 Resonance is presence

28:36 Film and TV representations of trauma

37:18 How media creates spaces for conversation

41:46 The way to trauma healing

Stephen Gyllenhaal is a film director, poet, and Founding Director of the Identity Development Institute, which aims to grow a community of practitioners, researchers, and educators that integrate trauma in facilitating healthy identities. He is well-known for directing movies, such as “Film Spies” and “Waterland”, and several episodes of hit TV shows, “Numb3rs”, “The Mentalist” and “Twin Peaks.”

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Krista Tippett - The Transformative Power of Language

Tue, 08 Aug 2023 10:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by Peabody Award-winning broadcaster, New York Times bestselling author, and the host of On Being, Krista Tippett.

They discuss the virtues of hospitality, humility, and creativity in spirituality, and in creating spaces where deep subjects and emotions can safely emerge. Krista explains how her upbringing and work as a journalist have shown her the need for human civilization to outgrow our binary ways of thinking and have the courage to hold contradictions and complexities.

She and Thomas explore how humanity can mature and spiritually evolve, starting from within ourselves and our bodies, and expanding into an understanding of the shared traumas of our past. They discuss the continuing legacy of racial trauma that began with slavery, and how the progress of civil rights is being impeded by our collective unwillingness to fundamentally change our way of life.

Krista maintains, despite the horrors of history, that “hope is not wishful thinking,” but a necessary trait of those who inspire us to transform for the better.

Key Points:

00:00 Introduction

02:16 The power of language in trauma healing

06:20 Creating spaces conducive to safety

14:44 How healing trauma creates presence

21:10 Finding tools to integrate stored trauma

26:29 Lessons from Germany and Holocaust Survivors

36:42 An aspirational sign of societal maturity

44:08 Solidarity through action

48:49 The need for a spiritual anchor for healing

Krista Tippett is a Peabody Award-winning broadcaster, a National Humanities Medalist, and a New York Times bestselling author. She attended Brown University and became a journalist and diplomat in Cold War Berlin. After studying theology at Yale Divinity School in the early 1990s, she saw a black hole where intelligent public conversation about the religious, spiritual, and moral aspects of human life might be. She launched Speaking of Faith — later On Being — as a weekly national public radio show in 2003. What launched on two radio stations grew to over 400 across the U.S. and has received the highest honors in broadcasting, the Internet, and podcasting.

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Rhonda V. Magee - Soulful Mindfulness and Healing Racial Trauma

Tue, 01 Aug 2023 10:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by Rhonda V. Magee, a leading mindfulness teacher, practice innovator, author, and Professor of Law at the University of San Francisco.

They discuss how mindfulness has evolved from its roots in traditional Buddhism to an increasingly popular modern practice. Rhonda stresses the need for us to look at the deeper traditional teachings of mindfulness in their original contexts so that their depth and core essence aren’t lost.

She and Thomas also explore what Rhonda calls “Soulful Mindfulness,” which delves into musical and cultural practices originating in the Black American experience that has helped Black people survive from the era of slavery into the racism and oppression of the modern era. Rhonda explains how our attachment to individuality can lead to oppression, but our capacity for loving acceptance and compassion can lead to social transformation.

Key Points:

00:00 Introduction

00:52 Rhonda's history with mindfulness

06:23 Positive benefits of mindfulness practice

11:01 Soulful mindfulness

20:26 The roots of soul in Black American history

29:20 How trauma affects healthy attachment

34:26 The ethics of trauma healing

40:26 What's needed in healing spaces

48:31 Being a lifelong learner and staying curious

54:37 The power of our oceans

Rhonda V. Magee is an internationally-recognized teacher, guide, and mentor, focused on integrating mindfulness into higher education, law, and social change work. A prolific author, she draws on law and legal history to weave storytelling, poetry, analysis, and practices into inspiration for changing how we think, act, and live better together in a rapidly changing world.

For 20+ years, Professor Magee has studied mindfulness, its underlying origins in Buddhism, and its potential benefits and applications in the world. She has been exploring the integration of mindfulness into teaching and learning, and social engagement, including in support of personal and collective healing, activism, and leadership. She has written extensively on how mindfulness and other contemplative practices support engagement in the world in the face of the multiple interlocking challenges of our times, including climate distress, migration, political polarization, migration, war, and their effects on us all.

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Creating Inner and Outer Coherence

Tue, 25 Jul 2023 10:00:00 -0700

Thomas Hübl explores the concepts of Inner and Outer Coherence and the role they play in relationships and communication. He describes inner coherence as the capacity to understand our own inner experience, resonate with others, and feel whole. It’s a function of our nervous system that combines external sensory information with our internal thoughts and emotions.

He explains that inner coherence leads to outer coherence- it creates a space for us to be present, empathetic, and share openly with others. But when we become triggered or defensive, the bridges between us collapse, making it hard to feel other people, and leaving us stuck re-enacting or projecting our wounds from the past.

According to Thomas, by understanding and regulating our inner worlds, we can work together to manifest a better future.

Key Points:

00:24 Inner Coherence creates Outer Coherence

02:24 Relational intelligence and transparent communication

04:47 The importance of developing inner awareness

07:46 Coherence transforms our presencing ability

09:25 How trauma hinders resonance and what to do about it

12:27 Why coherence is needed for social impact

14:32 Attunement breeds resilience and growth

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Collective Healing Through Attunement

Tue, 18 Jul 2023 11:00:00 -0700

Thomas shares practices, theories, and more from his new book "Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma―and Our World". Order now at attunedbook.com to receive a guided meditation, book excerpt, and help alert booksellers to the strong interest in the book to ensure that it's stocked widely and accessible for people to find.

Amy Elizabeth Fox of Mobius Executive Leadership was kind enough to conduct this interview with Thomas.

According to Thomas, “Resonance is the universal language of life,” and the resonance that occurs between our nervous systems is what allows us to connect with each others’ experiences. He and Amy explore attunement practices that we can use in our daily lives in order to practice transparent communication and create safe environments where undigested trauma can begin to be processed and healed.

They discuss the systemic and intergenerational nature of trauma, and how the deep benefits of practicing relational attunement ripple out into the larger world and are felt by future generations.

Key Points:

00:00 Introduction

00:52 Thomas’ inspiration for the book

03:23 Transparent communication and attunement

07:20 How trauma interrupts attunement

11:07 Relating as a remedy for trauma

14:38 The process of digesting trauma

20:07 How the lack of attunement affects the world

24:56 What is relational mysticism?

29:35 Individual, ancestral, and collective outlook in trauma healing

37:14 Practical tips for attunement

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Prentis Hemphill | The Story Being Told Through our Collective Body

Tue, 11 Jul 2023 11:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by writer, embodiment facilitator, political organizer, therapist, and the founder and director of The Embodiment Institute, Prentis Hemphill. They discuss the evolution of embodiment and somatics, and how our bodies are the sites at which transformation occurs in trauma work.

Prentis discusses their work in social and political movements to address individual and collective trauma, and to tap into the resilience and creativity needed to envision solutions to the catastrophes and crises that we face.

They explore the need to acknowledge our interconnectedness in healing spaces, and the potential of somatics and embodiment to help us understand ourselves, integrate the traumatic events we’ve experienced, and re-awaken parts of ourselves that may have gone dormant.

Key Points:

00:00 Introduction

01:41 What shaped Prentis' career

07:14 Internalizing vs Awake

12:11 Staying connected to the source

13:47 How generational pain surfaces in present relationships

19:55 Our bodies remember traumatic stories

26:25 Disrupting the wellness industry

29:50 The distortion of trauma

32:16 Being open to change and healing

39:00 The need for collective rituals

45:05 Fostering intimacy for deeper healing

49:58 Prentis’ hope for the world

Prentis Hemphill (They/Them) is unearthing the connections between healing, community accountability, and our most inspired visions for social transformation. They are a therapist, somatics teacher and facilitator, political organizer, writer, and the founder of The Embodiment Institute. For over 10 years, they have been working with individuals and organizations during their most challenging moments of change; navigating leadership transitions, conflict, and realigning practice with values. They hold an M.A. in Clinical Psychology and have worked in low-cost mental health clinics offering therapeutic services to marginalized people. In 2016, they were awarded the Buddhist Peace Fellowship Soma Award for community work inspired by Buddhist thought. Their work has been featured in the New York Times, Huffington Post, and Shondaland. They are a contributor to The Politics of Trauma by Staci K. Haines, as well as You are Your Best Thing edited by Brené Brown and Tarana Burke, and Holding Change by Adrienne Maree Brown.

Links:

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Increasing Collective Intelligence Through Effective Leadership with Bob Anderson

Tue, 04 Jul 2023 12:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by author, leadership expert, and the founder of Leadership Circle, Bob Anderson.

They discuss what it takes to be an effective leader in our current era of change and upheaval. Through research and extensive experience, Bob has concluded that the most salient characteristic of an effective leader is their emphasis on relationship, and that this is a universal theme across all cultures.

He explains how an effective leader can develop a group whose collective intelligence is greater than any one individual’s intelligence, and that this is where the emergent future lies.

Thomas and Bob also explore how to be open to new insights and inspirations in order to take your work to an innovative edge, and the “core tension” between purpose and safety.

Key Points:

02:29 What makes a successful leader?

08:17 How to create collective leadership

11:04 The emerging future of leadership

15:22 Breaking the reactive pattern

19:37 Self-authorship makes better leaders

33:54 Are you living your true purpose?

37:09 Treading the edge of irrelevance

40:09 Being open to inspiration

Bob Anderson is the Founder, Chairman, and Chief Development Officer of the Leadership Circle. He dedicated his career to exploring the intersections between leadership and personal mastery, and between competence and consciousness. He has completed his second co-authored book "Scaling Leadership: Building Organizational Capability and Capacity to Create Outcomes that Matter Most." "Scaling Leadership" is an essential guide that offers senior leaders the information needed to develop conscious leadership at scale with their organization.

Links:

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Leadership Circle Website: https://leadershipcircle.com/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@tlcasiapacific

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The Connection Between Trauma and Tension and How to Release It

Tue, 27 Jun 2023 10:00:00 -0700

Thomas Hübl explores how tension is a physical manifestation of undigested trauma, and how we can begin to release tension by becoming more in tune with our emotions. Trauma responses can cause us to feel angry, overwhelmed, numb, and disconnected from the present moment. Thomas explains the importance of recognizing these signs of dysregulation without judgment.

Moments of stress can guide us toward the emotions that we need to address and digest, serving as opportunities for us to better understand our inner worlds. He also provides tools to help regulate the nervous system and find presence during difficult moments and walks us through the 3-Sync Meditation technique.

Key Points:

00:17 Stress can be reactive or numbing

02:26 Physical tension is undigested trauma

04:44 Using the breath to self-regulate

06:05 Learning to be in the present moment

08:29 Trauma responses serve a purpose

12:12 Self-awareness reduces stress

13:12 The 3-Sync Meditation technique

16:21 Mindfulness encourages fluidity and ease

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Dr. Ruby Gibson - Healing Historical Trauma

Tue, 20 Jun 2023 10:00:00 -0700

Dr. Ruby Gibson; author, cultural healer and advocate, and the developer of Somatic Archaeology© joins Thomas for a second conversation. They dive deep into Ruby’s life’s work offering healing to Native Americans. They discuss methods of healing that address the historical and ongoing traumatization of Native American communities, and how she weaves traditional spiritual protocols into newer methodologies.

Ruby explains that Indigenous people view life as a wheel in which everything is interconnected and that individual healing is inextricably linked to communal healing. She stresses the importance of healing in groups in order to foster a sense of belonging, something that Native people struggle with after enduring genocide and discrimination.

She and Thomas explore the role that Mother Earth plays in the healing process, and how praying over scarred and embattled places can be spiritually restorative.

Key Points:

05:36 Maturing into the awakening journey

12:32 Navigating healing during ongoing trauma

17:33 Wellness is abundant and readily available

24:25 One-on-one vs. collective healing

30:47 A healthy way of dealing with shame

34:18 How to do an inner check-in

41:10 Dr. Gibson’s recovery center plans

47:03 Online resources to stay connected

For 35+ years, Dr. Ruby Gibson has been dedicated to the craft and science of Historical Trauma reconciliation, cultural healing, and wellness among Native and Indigenous Peoples all around Turtle Island, and abroad in Europe and Australia. She developed two intergenerational trauma recovery models – Somatic Archaeology© and Generational Brainspotting™. Dr. Gibson is the author of, My Body, My Earth, The Practice of Somatic Archaeology. As the Executive Director of Freedom Lodge non-profit, Dr. Gibson’s renowned training, the Historical Trauma Master Class©, has assisted hundreds of Indigenous people to recovery from the generational suffering of ethnocide.

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Website: https://rubygibson.com/

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Bessel van der Kolk, MD - The Cumulative Effects of Trauma

Tue, 13 Jun 2023 10:00:00 -0700

Thomas interviews world-renowned trauma expert and the author of “The Body Keeps the Score,” Dr. Bessel van der Kolk. They discuss different approaches to healing trauma on individual and societal levels. Dr. Van der Kolk emphasizes the need for physical and relational safety in order to process trauma, and the difficulty of healing in environments that tend towards disembodiment.

He explains that trauma causes us to become numb, withdrawn, and full of shame, and that we experience these sensations physically.

But through collective and creative experiences, practicing self-compassion, and deepening our relationship with our physical bodies and the sensations we feel, we can reconnect to ourselves, re-discover our spirituality, and define our own identities.

Key Points:

02:55 The importance of trauma awareness

06:21 Relational safety forms healthy societies

10:04 An interesting insight into generational trauma

15:10 How safety affects academic performance

18:15 Reigniting physical sensations for healing

23:32 What goes on in healing workshops

29:07 The cycle of trauma and how to break it

38:04 Experiencing healing in the collective

40:24 Being connected makes us Earth-conscious

42:55 MDMA-assisted trauma work

47:57 Spirituality as a healing resource

50:20 Do this daily grounding practice

Bessel van der Kolk, MD is a psychiatrist, author, researcher, and educator based in Boston, United States. Since the 1970s, his research has been in the area of post-traumatic stress. He is the author of The New York Times best-seller, The Body Keeps the Score. Van der Kolk formerly served as president of the International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies and is a former co-director of the National Child Traumatic Stress Network. He is a professor of psychiatry at Boston University School of Medicine and president of the Trauma Research Foundation in Brookline, Massachusetts.

Website: https://www.besselvanderkolk.com/

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Amy Elizabeth Fox - Trauma-Informed Leadership

Tue, 06 Jun 2023 10:00:00 -0700

Thomas interviews the CEO of Mobius Executive Leadership, Amy Elizabeth Fox.

They discuss the vital importance of integrating the profound wisdom found in trauma healing into the practice of leadership development. Amy describes the enormous influence that traumatic symptoms have on the way that companies operate, and how their cultures are formed.

In her work with organizations in both the private and public sectors, she encourages workers and leaders to view internal problems as opportunities for transformation.

By understanding and being open about their own lives and experiences, Mobius practitioners create a safe space for employees to explore their authentic selves, and relate to their coworkers with empathy and vulnerability. Amy explains that being in relation in this way provides the essential emotional intelligence tools needed to operate as high-performing teams.

Key Points:

04:24 Relationality is the root of repair 07:12 Why companies need deep healing work 10:14 How can leaders be agents of transformation? 13:26 Speak to your employees’ highest possibility 15:52 Transformation starts with the self 18:13 Friction as opportunities for growth 22:06 Are you on your self-authorship journey?

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Amy Elizabeth Fox is a senior leadership strategist with experience consulting to senior leadership on issues related to human capital, organizational health, and leadership development. She is the Chief Executive Officer of Mobius Executive Leadership, a premier leadership development firm with offices in Boston and Switzerland. Over the past decade and a half, she has spoken at numerous national industry gatherings and led workshops for corporate executives across the country. Amy is also a psychotherapist and an executive coach.

Connect with Amy:

Website: https://www.mobiusleadership.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/amy.e.fox.94/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amyelizabethfox/

Twitter: @Amy_Mobius

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Instagram: @mobiusexecutiveleadership

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Dr. Ruby Gibson - Ancestral Trauma and the Future of Native Wellness

Tue, 30 May 2023 10:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by author, cultural healer and advocate, and the developer of Somatic Archaeology© Dr. Ruby Gibson. They dive deep into her work on ancestral healing, which she refers to as ‘historical trauma recovery.’ Ruby leads an organization called The Freedom Lodge whose mission is to provide education and healing for Native American communities.

Combining the sacred medicine of the Lakota traditions with modern approaches to psychology, she has developed integrated processes to learn and heal from both past and ongoing trauma. She and Thomas discuss the dire need for better resources for Natives who’ve suffered under oppressive systems, and the healing power of building a spiritual connection to our earth, our histories, our communities, and ourselves.

Key Points:

01:05 What is historical trauma recovery?

05:44 The drive to heal humanity

10:40 An eye-opening, spiritual dream

16:12 Being ready is a feeling

21:50 The five steps to somatic archeology

30:36 Applying somatic archeology in the community

34:54 Unity promotes survival

38:11 Spirituality encourages societal healing

42:48 Transformation in ongoing trauma

47:46 Cultivating a healthy dynamic for change

52:00 The need for larger-scale rituals for trauma recovery

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Dr. Ruby Gibson has spent the past 40 years dedicated to the craft and science of Historical Trauma reconciliation, cultural healing, and generational well-being among Native and Indigenous Peoples. Dr. Gibson founded Freedom Lodge, a 501(c)3 nonprofit organization, in Rapid City, SD to serve our relatives and communities. Dr. Gibson developed the transgenerational trauma recovery model Somatic Archaeology©. and is the author of My Body, My Earth, The Practice of Somatic Archaeology, and My Body, My Breath, A Tool for Transformation, which are available in English, Romanian, and Spanish. Dr. Gibson developed and teaches a Historical Trauma Master Class, and builds leadership skills in Native Wellness amongst the graduates. She also teaches a Somatic Archaeology© Master Class for non—Native students. Using our Body and Mother Earth as benevolent sources of biological, emotional, and ancestral memory, Dr. Ruby’s techniques are being evaluated and researched among her students with amazing effectiveness.

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Website: https://rubygibson.com/

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Restoring the Future Through Embodied Trauma Integration

Tue, 23 May 2023 10:00:00 -0700

Thomas Hübl explores how trauma changes our experience of time, and how integration and acceptance can help us create a better future. When traumatic events occur in the present moment, we become overwhelmed, and our experience of "presence" is split, pushing the trauma into the subconscious realm.

He explains that our compartmentalized trauma is like a data package that becomes stuck in the past, interrupting the flow of time like a rock in a river. As we go through life, we experience tension, numbness, and absence-- repetitive difficulties influenced by the trauma embedded in our past. Thomas provides insight into how we can embrace and integrate our pain and our defense mechanisms, and how that is a more healing and effective way to create change than trying to get rid of them.

Key Points:

01:05 The notion of presence and integrated history 05:13 How trauma is compartmentalized

08:52 Fragmented data becomes repetitive patterns 11:38 Projecting the future 18:42 Onboard the past for a better future 21:11 Cultivate a fertile land for inner change

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sujatha baliga - Restorative Justice: From the Paradigm of Punishment to Ecosystems of Healing

Tue, 16 May 2023 10:00:00 -0700

Thomas is joined by restorative justice facilitator and public speaker sujatha baliga. They discuss Restorative Justice - a term coined by Howard Zehr that represents a paradigm shift in the way we think about harm and wrongdoing. It calls us to eschew the extreme and ineffective punitiveness of the criminal justice system in favor of community-based processes that align with our interdependent nature.

Sujatha explains how her methods were inspired by three groups - the Mennonites, the Navajo tribe, and the Buddhist Nalanda tradition. She reveals that her work is not only more effective in addressing the root causes of crime, and reducing repeated incidents of harm, but is also planting seeds for a radically more just future.

Key Points:

01:48 Sujatha’s journey to her advocacy

08:18 Restorative justice vs. the current justice system

11:40 What it means to be well-resourced

16:52 Restorative justice is sustainable

19:57 The factors to facilitate a restorative process

25:56 The responsibility of the oppressed

34:12 Transformation starts within us

37:40 How can communities contribute?

44:25 Addressing collective issues with restorative justice

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sujatha baliga’s work is characterized by an equal dedication to people who’ve experienced and caused harm and violence. A former victim advocate and public defender, sujatha is a frequent guest lecturer at universities and conferences about her decades of restorative justice work. She also speaks publicly and inside prisons about her own experiences as a survivor of child sexual abuse and her path to forgiveness. Her personal and research interests include the forgiveness of seemingly unforgivable acts, survivor-led movements, restorative justice’s potential impact on racial disparities in our legal systems, and Buddhist approaches to conflict transformation. She’s a member of the Gyuto Foundation in Richmond, CA, where she leads meditation on Monday nights. She was named a 2019 MacArthur Fellow.

Website: https://www.sujathabaliga.com/

Twitter & Instagram: @sujathabaliga

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sujatha-baliga-9813184/

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William Ury - Russia, Ukraine, & the Vicious Cycle of Humiliation & Trauma

Tue, 09 May 2023 10:00:00 -0700

Please note that this episode was recorded during the first months of the war in Ukraine, and William and Thomas' commentary is relevant to that time. Since then, circumstances may have changed.

Humiliation is reflected in most major historical events, especially in wars.

Throughout the centuries, humans continue to be stuck in the same pattern of humiliation. And it has become even more significant in the present.

With COVID-19 bringing a sense of interconnectedness and the whole world tuning in to the Russian-Ukrainian conflict, author and anthropologist William Ury dissects the root cause of this cycle. He explains that empathy is our most powerful tool in negotiation, as it enables us to understand our "opponents" and communicate with them effectively.

*Please note that this episode was recorded during the first months of the war in Ukraine, and William and Thomas' commentary is relevant to that time. Since then, circumstances may have changed.*

Key points include:

✔️ How doing our inner work helps us to act more effectively toward the betterment of the collective ✔️ Using strategic empathy to better understand an “opponent” and find a constructive way out of conflict ✔️ How both COVID-19 and the war in Ukraine galvanized the world and made us aware of our interconnectedness ✔️ Fear and crises tune our collective instrument, and we can use them as an opportunity for positive transformation ✔️ Being a “possible-ist” - someone who can see both negative and positive possibilities and potentials, and can act accordingly to move situations in a positive direction

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William Ury is one of the world’s leading experts on negotiation and mediation. As the co-founder of the Program on Negotiation, he is a driving force behind many new negotiation theories and practices. Ury is the co-author with Roger Fisher and Bruce Patton of Getting to Yes, a 15-million-copy bestseller translated into more than 35 languages, and the author of several other books including the award-winning Getting to Yes with Yourself.

Over the last four decades, Ury has served as a negotiation advisor and mediator in conflicts ranging from the Cold War to ethnic and civil wars in the Middle East, Chechnya, Yugoslavia, and most recently in Colombia, where he serves as a senior advisor to President Juan Manuel Santos. In addition to teaching negotiation and mediation to tens of thousands of executives, Ury is the founder of the Abraham Path Initiative, which seeks to bring people together across cultures by opening a long-distance walking route in the Middle East that retraces the footsteps of Abraham and his family. In recognition of his work, he has received the Cloke-Millen Peacemaker Award, the Whitney North Seymour Award from the American Arbitration Association, and the Distinguished Service Medal from the Russian Parliament.

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Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds

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Ancestral Healing: The Gifts and Wounds of our Ancestors

Tue, 02 May 2023 12:00:00 -0700

In this episode, Thomas explores the concept of Ancestral Healing - a way of attuning with our ancestors and integrating the information they’ve passed down through our family histories. We inherit wisdom and resilience from our ancestors, as well as trauma and pain. Thomas explains the need to incorporate all of these aspects into ourselves so that we can draw strength from our ancestral data flow when we need it, and learn from their wounds and transgressions in order to release ourselves and our families from patterns that no longer serve us.

Key Points:

00:24 Decentralizing the focus of hyper-individualism

04:52 Our bodies carry ancestral data

08:20 Trauma is generationally transmitted

11:55 Exploring the difficult parts of the past

14:38 Liquefying the past is personal development

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Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds

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Bayo Akomolafe - Redefining Crisis: Creating Change Through Shapeshifting

Tue, 25 Apr 2023 12:00:00 -0700

Thomas and celebrated international speaker, post-humanist thinker, and author Bayo Akomolafe delve into the pitfalls of modernity and modern psychology, and the need for new ways of navigating hidden and invisible thresholds. Bayo discusses his work tracing stories, folklore, and archetypes and how they invite us to do something akin to activism - a sensorial politics that he refers to as “post-activism.” They discuss the need for fresh modes of responding to crises that can invite us to develop new intelligences.

Key Points:

01:00 Parenting & disruptions of time and space

10:36 New Institute Fellowship

15:00 Bayo’s upcoming book

18:46 What is post-activism?

24:52 The response to the crisis is part of the crisis

31:14 Psychology is the policeman of capitalism

39:17 A new perspective on politics

47:33 Losing our way in order to create change

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Bayo Akomolafe (Ph.D.), rooted with the Yoruba people in a more-than-human world, is the father to Alethea and Kyah, the grateful life-partner to Ije, son and brother. A widely celebrated international speaker, posthumanist thinker, poet, teacher, public intellectual, essayist, and author of two books, These Wilds Beyond our Fences: Letters to My Daughter on Humanity’s Search for Home (North Atlantic Books) and We Will Tell our Own Story: The Lions of Africa Speak. Bayo Akomolafe is the Founder of The Emergence Network and host of the online post-activist course, ‘We Will Dance with Mountains’.

He currently lectures at Pacifica Graduate Institute, California, and the University of Vermont, Burlington, Vermont. He sits on the Board of many organizations including Science and Non-Duality (US) and Local Futures (Australia). In July 2022, Dr. Akomolafe was appointed the inaugural Global Senior Fellow of the University of California’s (Berkeley) Othering and Belonging Institute. He has also been appointed Senior Fellow for The New Institute in Hamburg, Germany.

Website: bayoakomolafe.net

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Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds

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Deeyah Khan - Befriending the ‘Other’: Seeing Beyond Extremism

Tue, 18 Apr 2023 12:00:00 -0700

Thomas talks with award-winning documentary filmmaker Deeyah Khan about her experience of interviewing extremists. Rather than dismissing them as unreachable fanatics, Deeyah has decided to engage them directly as human beings, with respect for our common humanity. She and Thomas reflect on how to remain hopeful and empathetic amidst the social divisiveness of our time.

Multi-award-winning filmmaker Deeyah Khan has directed documentaries such as “Banaz: A Love Story (2012)” and “White Right: Meeting The Enemy (2017)”, which have shed light on the heartbreaking reality of discrimination and violence while telling people’s compelling stories through a loving lens.

Dehumanizing others causes us to lose our humanity. Do you have the courage to open your mind and remain hopeful for change?

Key Points:

2:57 Deeyah’s purpose in filmmaking

12:56 Why the focus on dark, brutal topics?

17:57 When the unexpected becomes a lifesaver

21:51 Authenticity is healing

24:59 Dehumanizing others means dehumanizing yourself

29:20 On making “White Right”

38:51 Change is always possible

43:43 Extremism lures the broken

49:50 Learn to sit with the darkness

52:55 Love conquers all

59:46 One simple step creates the biggest impact

1:03:09 Dealing with a polarized world

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Deeyah Khan is a Norwegian multi-awarded documentary film director and human rights activist. Her debut film, Banaz: A Love Story (2012) won an Emmy and a Peabody. She is the founder and CEO of Fuuse, a leading documentary film and digital media company for broadcasters and live events. She is also the founder and editor-in-chief of Sister-Hood Magazine, spotlighting the diverse voices of women of Muslim heritage. She became the UNESCO Goodwill Ambassador for Artistic Freedom and Creativity in 2016.

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The Art of Transparent Communication

Tue, 11 Apr 2023 12:00:00 -0700

Thomas Hübl explores the concept of Transparent Communication - a practice that creates an open and grounded relational space where constructive and creative communication can occur. He explains that this form of communication combines the interconnected data streams of cognitive, emotional, and physical information that are always present in any conversation.

Key Points:

✔️ Relating is an intimate process

✔️ Trauma fragments effective communication

✔️ Transparent communication is contemplative

✔️ Refine your response to external factors

✔️ Transparent communication trains our self-awareness

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Deb Dana & Dr. Stephen Porges - The Polyvagal Theory, Welcome vs. Warning, & Regulating the Self

Tue, 04 Apr 2023 12:00:00 -0700

Thomas Hübl is joined by seasoned author and clinician Deb Dana and the founder of the Polyvagal Theory (PVT) Dr. Stephen Porges for a lively discussion about the essence of PVT, the importance of human connection to the mind and body, and their methods of self-regulation for trauma survivors.

What You Will Discover:

✔️ The Polyvagal Theory is about human connection.

Dr. Stephen Porges goes deep into the Polyvagal Theory and its core essence, describing how human socialization can prevent modern stress-related disorders. He explains how modern society demands that people constantly exist in a threatened state, causing them to lose connection to their bodily cues and reducing their ability to regulate with others. “Social interaction isn’t just psychological behavior; it’s also neurophysiological.”

✔️ Stress and trauma cause dissociation.

Learning how to safely come back into our bodies after dissociation is a slow process, as shared by Deb Dana. Trauma survivors have acclimated to removing themselves from the present situation because of repeated painful events. Deb Dana teaches her clients to recognize their bodies’ ways of determining threat and safety.

✔️ Have a micro-moment of regulation.

How do people who have experienced traumatic and dangerous situations throughout their lives return to a state of self-regulation? Deb Dana helps clients navigate through their map of disconnection. The earlier we recognize the 'warning' signs of dysregulation, the less mental and physical energy we'll need in order to return to a more regulated baseline.

✔️ Honor your body’s ability to regulate itself.

Dr. Stephen Porges points out that our bodies have their own ways of signaling to us that there’s something wrong. It's important to pay attention to our bodies and acknowledge what they're trying to teach us.

✔️ Our patterns of protection are shaped throughout our life.

Due to trauma and constant exposure to painful situations, we have developed patterns of protection that we immediately employ when we sense even the slightest dangers. Getting stuck in this constant cycle of shielding oneself inhibits one from enjoying life.

✔️ Recognize your body’s signs of a warning and a welcome.

Dr. Stephen Porges and Deb Dana share ideas about how to remain in a state of regulation and how to differentiate a 'warning' from a 'welcome' sign. People have been programmed to mobilize, complete tasks, and maximize productivity in the modern world - without considering their mental and physiological state. This constant inhibition of bodily cues disconnects us from our physical form.

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Deb Dana, LCSW is an author, clinician, and consultant specializing in using the lens of polyvagal theory to understand and resolve the impact of trauma and create ways of working that honor the role of the autonomic nervous system. She developed The Rhythm of Regulation Clinical Training Series, and lectures internationally on ways polyvagal theory informs work with trauma survivors. She partners with Sounds True through the audio program, Befriending Your Nervous System: Looking Through the Lens of Polyvagal Theory, and her forthcoming book, titled Anchored: How to Befriend Your Nervous System Using Polyvagal Theory.

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Dr. Stephen Porges is a distinguished university scientist at Indiana University, where he is the founding director of the Traumatic Stress Research Consortium. He is a Professor of Psychiatry at the University of North Carolina and Professor Emeritus at both the University of Illinois at Chicago and the University of Maryland. He is the originator of the Polyvagal Theory, a theory that emphasizes the importance of the physiological state in the expression of behavioral, mental, and health problems related to traumatic experiences.

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Esther Perel & Jack Saul - Breaking Intergenerational Trauma

Tue, 28 Mar 2023 12:00:00 -0700

Intergenerational trauma is a huge part of Esther Perels and Jack Saul’s personal histories and work. In today’s podcast, Thomas, Esther, and Jack dig deep into their stories of working with trauma survivors and discuss how creativity, eroticism, and creating new narratives can affect trauma healing, intimate relationships, and the impacts of intergenerational trauma.

What You Will Discover:

✔️ Freedom in confinement comes from our imagination.

What makes people stay alive? Wherever a person may be, they can use their imagination to take their soul elsewhere. This ability connects us to freedom, even in oppressive environments.

✔️ Employ compassionate listening.

Jack Saul shares his experience of helping children recover through theatrical improvisation. He explains that children need this opportunity to convey their stories to the public, acknowledging the events that happened in these children’s lives.

✔️ Creativity is an active engagement with the unknown.

Psychotherapist Esther Perel is the child of Holocaust survivors. She believes her parents worked hard to maintain a sense of aliveness - to establish a place of safety from which they could engage in joy, pleasure, and playfulness.

✔️ How you were loved can impact how you make love.

Trauma constricts us from allowing intimate contact. It causes an involuntary recoil, and the mind no longer learns how to trust. Esther Perel explains her work as loosening up a person on every level - from body language to verbal communication. It’s her mission to teach trauma survivors to grant themselves permission to enjoy the emotional and physical satisfaction of their sexual relationships.

✔️ New experiences change the meaning of the past.

Survivors may shudder at a slight touch, as they have associated the feeling with a traumatic event. To progress in the healing process, they must experience pleasurable contact to erase the negative mental connection.

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Psychotherapist and New York Times bestselling author, Esther Perel is recognized as one of today’s most insightful and original voices on modern relationships. Fluent in nine languages, she helms a therapy practice in New York City and serves as an organizational consultant for Fortune 500 companies around the world. Her celebrated TED talks have garnered more than 20 million views and her international bestseller Mating in Captivity: Unlocking Erotic Intelligence became a global phenomenon translated into 25 languages. Her newest book is the New York Times bestseller The State of Affairs: Rethinking Infidelity (HarperCollins).

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Jack Saul is a licensed psychologist, practicing in Manhattan, New York. I trained at the Judge Baker Guidance Center, Harvard Medical School, the Cambridge Family Institute, and the Minuchin Center for the Family. He is a member of the American Family Therapy Academy and the Founding Director of the International Trauma Studies Program. He offers psychotherapy to individuals, couples, and families, and utilizes a family systems orientation emphasizing a narrative, dialogic, and resilience-based approach. His expertise is in working with individuals with relationship challenges, anxiety, depression, PTSD, trauma and traumatic loss, complicated grief, life and work stress, childhood fears and behavioral and academic difficulties, parenting, intimacy, desire, and sex in couples.

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Cultural Integration & Restoring the Fabric of Life

Tue, 21 Mar 2023 12:00:00 -0700

Thomas Hübl discusses the integration of East and West Germany to demonstrate society’s need for cultural learning spaces - places where people with different cultures and histories of trauma can gather to learn and exchange cultural data. He focuses on how trauma and fragmentation are perpetuated when these digestion spaces don’t exist, and how an integrated culture is better equipped to take on new challenges, like climate change.

Key Points:

03:02 Culture integration requires work

04:12 Learning is data exchange

07:37 Integration should be a collective ability

10:03 Why countries must invest in cultural integration

14:41 Creating collective spaces for sustainability

16:08 Cultural learning makes us wiser

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William Ury - Embracing Our Interconnected Humanity as an Antidote to War

Tue, 14 Mar 2023 13:00:00 -0700

Humiliation is reflected in most major historical events, especially in wars.

Throughout the centuries, humans continue to be stuck in the same pattern of humiliation. And it has become even more significant in the present.

Author and negotiation expert William Ury joins Thomas for their second conversation in a three-part series. They discuss how historical traumas contribute to current conflicts, including the ongoing war in Ukraine. William emphasizes the need for compassion, empathy, and inclusion in our individual and collective approaches to bringing about peace and positive change in the world.

Tune in to learn more 🎬 watch the full episode of Point of Relation — Embracing Our Interconnected Humanity as an Antidote to War with William Ury

What You Will Discover:

✔️ The secret to peace is us. William Ury breaks down the importance of doing inner work, achieving more awareness and consciousness in the midst of conflict, and creating space for resolution and alternatives.

✔️ In the present times of conflict, we need respect. We are all interdependent. By putting ourselves in other people’s shoes and showing positive intent, society can shift and create cycles of mutual respect and safety.

✔️ Force arises from humiliation, but genuine power emerges from humility. What causes humans to replicate the same patterns in history are our buried feelings of humiliation. The only way to break it is to respond in a skillful manner - showing up and remaining humble.

✔️ Be a possibilist. Seeing only one side of the coin will never fully heal us from humiliation. The best way is to seek out potential - recognize both positive and negative possibilities so you can act accordingly and move the situation forward.

✔️ The balcony perspective allows a deeper connection to the situation. Zooming out gives us the space to ask the right questions. “What’s going on here? Where are we getting stuck? How do we fix this?” Slowly, as we practice empathy, we can heal and rewrite the play in a more constructive direction.

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Over the last four decades, Ury has served as a negotiation advisor and mediator in conflicts ranging from the Cold War to ethnic and civil wars in the Middle East, Chechnya, Yugoslavia, and most recently in Colombia. In addition to teaching negotiation and mediation to tens of thousands of executives, Ury is the founder of the Abraham Path Initiative, which seeks to bring people together across cultures by opening a long-distance walking route in the Middle East that retraces the footsteps of Abraham and his family. In recognition of his work, he has received the Cloke-Millen Peacemaker Award, the Whitney North Seymour Award from the American Arbitration Association, and the Distinguished Service Medal from the Russian Parliament.

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Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds

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Dr. Gabor Maté - The Undeniable Link of Illness & Wellbeing to Our Collective Ecosystem

Tue, 07 Mar 2023 13:00:00 -0700

Exploring the causes of sickness, author and renowned physician Dr. Gabor Maté explores how the trauma ingrained in modern society manifests as illness and pulls us away from our authentic selves, and how we can lessen our attachment to “normalcy” in order to foster both individual and collective healing and create a more equitable and awakened future.

Tune in to Point of Relation — The Undeniable Link of Illness & Wellbeing to Our Collective Ecosystem with Dr. Gabor Maté.

Key Points To Discover:

✔️ In the revolutionary book "The Myth of Normal: Trauma, Illness and Healing in a Toxic Culture," Dr. Gabor Maté argues that our culture has become so disconnected from the real needs of people that what we assume to be "normal" is, in fact, neither healthy nor natural.

Dr. Maté distinctly articulates that "normal" is a myth. He presents that every individual's response to conditions, such as addictions, depression, and physical illnesses, are, in fact, normal responses to the abnormal social and environmental conditions they face. Therefore, the conditions that are the source of the abnormality need to be addressed instead of the individual.

✔️ We are co-creators of our reality.

Connection is a necessity for human life that, when unfulfilled, brings about suffering. In the modern world, where we push and strive for the attainment of the individual, we must remember that we can only exist within the collective experience.

✔️ Do you feel that true healing is impossible for you?

Dr. Maté shares that in his journey, he too believed that no matter how hard he tried, he was incapable of completely healing his pains. But he believes that healing is possible for all of us. In his words, “In order to accomplish that healing, we have to really come face to face with the depth and extent of the trauma in our world, not to despair over it, but precisely so that we can gain agency.”

✔️ The illness of an individual is the manifestation of a collective phenomenon.

When an individual becomes ill, the Lakota tradition teaches that the community extends gratefulness and that sickness manifests to uncover shared dysfunction. This gives way to the belief that "Your healing is our healing."

Dr. Maté emphasizes the traditional wisdom that works with interdependent medicine is just as applicable to our modern world as it was in ancient times. Yet, sadly, medical practice often fails to acknowledge the science that confirms this.

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Dr. Gabor Maté is an internationally renowned speaker highly sought after for his expertise on addiction, trauma, childhood development, and the relationship between stress and illness. He is a bestselling author of four books published in over thirty languages. His book on addiction received the Hubert Evans Prize for literary non-fiction.

For his groundbreaking medical work and writing, he has been awarded the Order of Canada, his country's highest civilian distinction, and the Civic Merit Award from his hometown, Vancouver. His books include In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts: Close Encounters With Addiction; When the Body Says No; The Cost of Hidden Stress; Scattered Minds: The Origins and Healing of Attention Deficit Disorder; and (with Dr. Gordon Neufeld) Hold on to Your Kids: Why Parents Need to Matter More Than Peers.

His recent book, The Myth of Normal: Trauma, Illness & Healing in a Toxic Culture, was released on September 13, 2022. His second next book, Hello Again: A Fresh Start for Parents and Their Adult Children, is expected in 2023. Gabor is also a co-developer of a therapeutic approach, Compassionate Inquiry, now studied by hundreds of therapists, physicians, counselors, and others internationally.

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The Detox Phase of Democracies

Tue, 28 Feb 2023 13:00:00 -0700

As the world transitions away from domination hierarchies and into democracies, our human systems naturally let go of inner wounds and feel safer.

However, disruptors still arise. Gender inequality and racism are stressors in our society. The tension over these issues can make our current democracy appear chaotic.

But these systemic issues must surface and be addressed in order to ignite our individual and collective healing, and allow humanity to achieve a higher level of coherence.

Key Points:

04:38 Why detoxification is necessary

07:59 The need for safe spaces

11:18 Trauma and achieving coherence

17:03 The power of collective intelligence

18:30 The call for state-funded collective spaces

20:01 Keeping the flow alive

21:56 The Pocket Project

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William Ury - Practicing Spaciousness and Empathy for Conflict Mediation

Tue, 21 Feb 2023 11:00:00 -0700

"The single biggest block to getting a yes in any kind of conflict is yourself,” says author and expert negotiator William Ury.

In this episode, William Ury shares his expertise in demonstrating spaciousness and empathy in conflict-laden situations, mediation as an intrapersonal exercise, and dissecting trauma in an unsettled society.

▶️ Practicing Spaciousness and Empathy for Conflict Mediation with William Ury

Key Points to Discover:

✔️ Practice the palm pinching technique. Standing in the middle of conflict can be terrifying. Step back and find perspective within by pinching your palm. “It gives you momentary pain, but it’ll keep you alert,” William Ury retells.

✔️Befriend your emotions. Trauma brings about emotions we perceive as negative – such as anger, resentment, jealousy, hatred, and fear.

William Ury says, “Befriend these emotions. Welcome them. Don’t judge them. Host them. Don’t suppress them.” Every emotion contains a message. If we’re open and paying attention, we can better understand it.

✔️ Conflicts have three sides. The third side is called the whole – the larger community to which the two parties belong. “It’s not a conflict between individual A and individual B. It’s a collective,” he explains. This unseen side holds a huge responsibility to mediate and gather the two parties to reach a resolution.

✔️ Empathy requires putting yourself in your own shoes. It’s hard to put yourself in others’ shoes when you have preconceived ideas about them.

Be in a place of clarity and gather as much information as you can about the conflicts you witness. This is where real and deep empathy begins.

✔️ The absent parts of ourselves are filled with the past. When we aren’t fully integrated with the painful experiences of others, it blocks us from developing genuine empathy, and we might instead find that we’re filled with fear, physical tension, and numbness. Healing from intergenerational trauma requires us to feel the fears of our ancestors – merging them into our present flow. This allows us to cultivate greater empathy for the people in our lives.

✔️ Mediation means seeing a way forward. Finding the way forward in conflict calls for inner spaciousness. As a mediator, William Ury recommends taking a step back and viewing the situation from what he calls “going to the balcony” - a removed position from which we can be more present, empathetic, and objective. Take off the blinders of your own biases and see the larger picture.

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Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions with the discoveries of science. The focus of his work is collective trauma and global healing.

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Deran Young and Dr. Richard Schwartz - Unpacking Legacy Burdens through Collective Spaces

Tue, 21 Feb 2023 11:00:00 -0700

What are legacy burdens?

These are ingrained parts of us that involve extreme beliefs and emotions coming from traumatic experiences inherited from family or other people.

This is mostly experienced by people in marginalized groups. And unpacking them takes courage, acknowledgment, and a safe space to open up.

Listen as Dr. Richard Schwartz and Deran Young share their expertise and experiences in navigating through intergenerational trauma and un-learning past beliefs.

▶️Unpacking Legacy Burdens through Collective Spaces with Deran Young & Dr. Richard Schwartz

Key Points To Discover:

✔️ Your trauma isn’t your identity. When your pained inner child starts to hijack your emotions, it’s important to separate it and allow your higher self to take over. “That one part of us doesn’t have to dominate our life,” Deran Young says.

✔️Foster a culture of healing in shared spaces. While some are far in their journey of inner work, others still need an extra boost. What are the rules in the communal space? How do we respect each other? How do we honor our differences and similarities? It’s important for all to feel a sense of comfort and belonging when it’s time to unpack trauma.

✔️ Identify your “exiles”. These vulnerable parts greatly impacted by trauma are called “exiles” – our spaces for creativity and desire that were hurt and are pushed away. This makes us feel like we’ve moved on. But in reality, these “exiles” still have an underground influence over our decisions and overall worldview.

✔️ The best healing happens in collective spaces. It’s normal to feel alone when grappling with deep trauma. This is why Deran Young recommends looking for groups where you can share your experience and feel a sense of community. This is where people can start to acknowledge their trauma and speak more compassionately to themselves.

✔️ Everyone deserves access to healing. Economically marginalized places may not have access to the tools needed to treat inner wounds. Forms of psychedelic-assisted therapy – trauma healing using natural resources from the land – have existed for generations. Each person in the world has the right to utilize it for their improvement.

✔️Bring your exiled parts back home and reconnect. Dr. Richard Schwartz emphasizes that we shouldn’t disconnect these traumatized parts of ourselves, but rather recognize and acknowledge their presence for healing to take place.

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Dr. Richard Schwartz began his career as a systemic family therapist and an academic. Grounded in systems thinking, Dr. Schwartz developed Internal Family Systems (IFS) in response to clients’ descriptions of various parts within themselves. He focused on the relationships among these parts and noticed that there were systemic patterns to the way they were organized across clients. He also found that when the clients’ parts felt safe and were allowed to relax, the clients would spontaneously experience the qualities of confidence, openness, and compassion that Dr. Schwartz came to call the Self. He found that when in that state of Self, clients would know how to heal their parts.

A featured speaker for national professional organizations, Dr. Schwartz has published many books and over fifty articles about IFS.

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Deran Young, LCSW, MPA, has served in the US Air Force for over sixteen years. She is a world traveler and has visited over thirty-two countries and provided counseling services in three different nations in Europe and Africa. Her clinical training and experiences have primarily focused on trauma, PTSD, depression, anxiety, child abuse, and domestic violence.

Deran is the founder and CEO of Black Therapists Rock (BTR), an organization committed to improving the social and psychological well-being of vulnerable communities, while also providing vital support to mental health professionals who serve these communities. Deran is passionate about spreading information on mental health challenges that impact our communities. Recently, she was featured in the Huffington Post as one of the “10 Black Female Therapists You Should Know.” Learn more at www.blacktherapistsrock.com

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Welcome to Point of Relation

Tue, 21 Feb 2023 11:00:00 -0700

Are you brave enough to go beyond the threshold of conventional understanding? Would you be willing to go deeper into the unseen territory of humanity? Or do you just have burning questions about the meaning of life events?

You’re in the right place. The Point of Relation is where you need to be to reach your contemplative perspective and uncover the layers of human existence.

Tune in to learn more 🎬 watch the full episode of Point of Relation — Welcome to Point of Relation

What You Will Discover:

✔️ Life is a constant process of finding out, like data streaming. It involves downloading information and processing it at the same time. Tapping into this ability leads us to the sweet spot of maturity. We start to relate every moment in our daily lives to our intelligence and compassion.

✔️ Be inspired by special guests. This is your chance to hop into this meaningful space. Here, we get intimate with speakers of various expertise to dissect our common struggles and pressing life issues and discover answers to our existential curiosities.

✔️ Answer life’s toughest questions. In difficult situations, distancing ourselves becomes our first move because we lack the skills to navigate through them. Let go of the fear of uncertainty. It’s time to walk closer to the drumbeat of life and discover the reality of our own becoming.

✔️ We have the power to impact and co-design our world. Life has never been a walk in the park. Find out your true identity and shape amazing moments as you contribute to the nourishment of others. Be at the edge where life is most exciting.

✔️ The point of relation is the alchemy of inspiration. Let’s create a space where we can work to address the current challenges of our world and the big wounds of our shared past. Ignite conversations where sparks fly, and enter into a field of resonance with others.

✔️ Cultivate the process of inquiry. With contemplative and creative inquiry, we can deeply feel and think precisely with discernment and clarity. Learning isn’t simply reading about a subject. It also involves connecting ourselves to the knowledge that we’re absorbing.

An Invitation from Thomas Huebl

Mon, 20 Feb 2023 13:00:00 -0700

We are incredibly excited to launch our new podcast – 𝐏𝐎𝐈𝐍𝐓 𝐎𝐅 𝐑𝐄𝐋𝐀𝐓𝐈𝐎𝐍. In these episodes, Global Healing Facilitator Thomas Huebl aims to explore the ancient and contemporary topics melding in the zeitgeist of our time and find the sweet spot of our relational experience.

✴ Here is a space we behold and can bravely explore the boundaries of that which we already know.

✴ Here is where we can learn more about how our lives intersect with the future and observe the convergence of the conscious and unconscious realms.

✴ Here is where we enter an expanded territory coming into a place of freshness, innovation, and inspiration.

By doing this together, through the episodes of this podcast, we can find a greater understanding of life and take away learning that we may not have even known we wanted or needed. Ultimately, Thomas aims to leave us each feeling uplifted, energized, connected, and creative.

🎙️ https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/

#Transformation #Abundance #Scarcity

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