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<p class="Body">Two of the most beloved professional handlers in the United States. Based in Northern California, they have worked together for well over 30 years to present some of the top dogs in the country. Three times they have taken dogs to #1 all breeds in the nation, including the incomparable Mick, the Kerry Blue Terrier who won Best in Show at the Garden in 2003, Spirit the Giant Schnauzer, and Harry the Dandy Dinmont Terrier.</p>
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	<p>AKC Judge Virginia Lyne Takes Us to School!  Miss Lyne, with almost 50 years of judging, speaks directly to judges and exhibitors on fascination with dogs, critiques, hands on training, judges study groups, breed comparisons and joy.</p>
<p>Recorded Live at AKC Nationals in Orlando, Florida.</p>
<p>Hosted by Laura Reeves.</p>
<p><em><strong>Virginia Lyne</strong>, of Saanichton, B.C., Canada, grew up in many different countries, following her father who was involved in the oil business. She was born in Borneo and lived in Trinidad, Australia, Jamaica, Colombia and Texas.</em></p>
<p><em>After college and a year in Great Britain, she came home with a black and white <a href="http://www.dogchannel.com/english-cocker-spaniel-dogs-breed-profiles.aspx">English Cocker Spaniel</a> that became the foundation of Ranzfel English Cockers. Obedience attracted her initially, and she taught classes for many years. Breeding continued under the Ranzfel prefix with many champions and Best in Show winners being successful in both Canada and the US.</em></p>
<p><em>Ms. Lyne began judging in Canada in 1969 and got her AKC license two years later. She has been an AKC all-breed judge since 1979. Ms. Lyne has judged across North America and around the world.</em></p>
<p><em>Past president of the Canadian Dog Judges Association and a member of the Dog Judges Association of America, Lyne served on the executive boards of the English Cocker Spaniel Club of America and English Cocker Spaniel Club of Canada. Ms. Lyne has written extensively about English Cockers, and has been a moderator and presenter at judges’ education seminars on both sides of the border.</em></p>
<p><em>Ms. Lyne's life work was education. She retired in 1996 after 35 years in secondary school education, teaching English and working as a guidance counselor. Probably as a result of this background, she is committed to judges education and has been active in seminar presentations and judges training for many years.</em></p>
<p><em>We are thrilled the inimitable Ms. Lyne has joined us for a chat during the AKC National Championship. She shares her thoughts on judges education, the future for exhibitors and her fascination with all dogs, even those she about whom she remarks, “Darling, your mommy loves you.”</em></p>
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	<p>AKC Judge Virginia Lyne Takes Us to School!  Miss Lyne, with almost 50 years of judging, speaks directly to judges and exhibitors on fascination with dogs, critiques, hands on training, judges study groups, breed comparisons and joy.</p>
<p>Recorded Live at AKC Nationals in Orlando, Florida.</p>
<p>Hosted by Laura Reeves.</p>
<p><em><strong>Virginia Lyne</strong>, of Saanichton, B.C., Canada, grew up in many different countries, following her father who was involved in the oil business. She was born in Borneo and lived in Trinidad, Australia, Jamaica, Colombia and Texas.</em></p>
<p><em>After college and a year in Great Britain, she came home with a black and white <a href="http://www.dogchannel.com/english-cocker-spaniel-dogs-breed-profiles.aspx">English Cocker Spaniel</a> that became the foundation of Ranzfel English Cockers. Obedience attracted her initially, and she taught classes for many years. Breeding continued under the Ranzfel prefix with many champions and Best in Show winners being successful in both Canada and the US.</em></p>
<p><em>Ms. Lyne began judging in Canada in 1969 and got her AKC license two years later. She has been an AKC all-breed judge since 1979. Ms. Lyne has judged across North America and around the world.</em></p>
<p><em>Past president of the Canadian Dog Judges Association and a member of the Dog Judges Association of America, Lyne served on the executive boards of the English Cocker Spaniel Club of America and English Cocker Spaniel Club of Canada. Ms. Lyne has written extensively about English Cockers, and has been a moderator and presenter at judges’ education seminars on both sides of the border.</em></p>
<p><em>Ms. Lyne's life work was education. She retired in 1996 after 35 years in secondary school education, teaching English and working as a guidance counselor. Probably as a result of this background, she is committed to judges education and has been active in seminar presentations and judges training for many years.</em></p>
<p><em>We are thrilled the inimitable Ms. Lyne has joined us for a chat during the AKC National Championship. She shares her thoughts on judges education, the future for exhibitors and her fascination with all dogs, even those she about whom she remarks, “Darling, your mommy loves you.”</em></p>
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	AKC Judge Virginia Lyne Takes Us to School!  Miss Lyne, with almost 50 years of judging, speaks directly to judges and exhibitors on fascination with dogs, critiques, hands on training, judges study groups, breed comparisons and joy.&lt;br /&gt;
Recorded Live at AKC Nationals in Orlando, Florida.&lt;br /&gt;
Hosted by Laura Reeves.&lt;br /&gt;
Virginia Lyne, of Saanichton, B.C., Canada, grew up in many different countries, following her father who was involved in the oil business. She was born in Borneo and lived in Trinidad, Australia, Jamaica, Colombia and Texas.&lt;br /&gt;
After college and a year in Great Britain, she came home with a black and white &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dogchannel.com/english-cocker-spaniel-dogs-breed-profiles.aspx&quot;&gt;English Cocker Spaniel&lt;/a&gt; that became the foundation of Ranzfel English Cockers. Obedience attracted her initially, and she taught classes for many years. Breeding continued under the Ranzfel prefix with many champions and Best in Show winners being successful in both Canada and the US.&lt;br /&gt;
Ms. Lyne began judging in Canada in 1969 and got her AKC license two years later. She has been an AKC all-breed judge since 1979. Ms. Lyne has judged across North America and around the world.&lt;br /&gt;
Past president of the Canadian Dog Judges Association and a member of the Dog Judges Association of America, Lyne served on the executive boards of the English Cocker Spaniel Club of America and English Cocker Spaniel Club of Canada. Ms. Lyne has written extensively about English Cockers, and has been a moderator and presenter at judges’ education seminars on both sides of the border.&lt;br /&gt;
Ms. Lyne&apos;s life work was education. She retired in 1996 after 35 years in secondary school education, teaching English and working as a guidance counselor. Probably as a result of this background, she is committed to judges education and has been active in seminar presentations and judges training for many years.&lt;br /&gt;
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<em>Bill Shelton, a long time breeder of Pembroke Welsh Corgis, lecturer on Canine Anatomy, dog writer, is also an advocate of preservation breeders and the future of our breed's gene pools.</em>

<em><strong>Dr. Beckie Williams</strong> - Coventry Corgis - obtained her Doctor of Veterinary Medicine from Kansas State University in 1985. She practices in Yorba Linda, CA and has a special interest in reproduction - breeding, whelping and neonatal car.</em>

<em><strong>Coventry Corgis</strong> is renowned for generations of Championship Pembroke Welsh Corgis, and received the Winkie Award for Breeder of the Year in 2013.</em>

<em>Bill Shelton and Dr. "Beckie" also share a mutual interest in the restoration of their classic Craftsman homes in a National Historic District.</em>

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<em>Bill Shelton, a long time breeder of Pembroke Welsh Corgis, lecturer on Canine Anatomy, dog writer, is also an advocate of preservation breeders and the future of our breed's gene pools.</em>

<em><strong>Dr. Beckie Williams</strong> - Coventry Corgis - obtained her Doctor of Veterinary Medicine from Kansas State University in 1985. She practices in Yorba Linda, CA and has a special interest in reproduction - breeding, whelping and neonatal car.</em>

<em><strong>Coventry Corgis</strong> is renowned for generations of Championship Pembroke Welsh Corgis, and received the Winkie Award for Breeder of the Year in 2013.</em>

<em>Bill Shelton and Dr. "Beckie" also share a mutual interest in the restoration of their classic Craftsman homes in a National Historic District.</em>

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A protege of the renowned George Alston, Norma Smith provides owner handlers the opportunity to improve and become competitive through her two-day handling seminars. Professional Handler with 250 Best in Show wins, Norma has handled top dogs for both the rich and famous, and for the everyday owner.
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A protege of the renowned George Alston, Norma Smith provides owner handlers the opportunity to improve and become competitive through her two-day handling seminars. Professional Handler with 250 Best in Show wins, Norma has handled top dogs for both the rich and famous, and for the everyday owner.
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Pat Laurans has been an active and enthusiastic member of the dog show world since 1963. She began as an exhibitor, became an assistant handler and eventually was awarded an AKC All Breed Handler's license. Under the kennel name of Laurwyn she bred and owned German Wirehaired Pointers, including four National Specialty and three Best in Show winners, as well as many Top Producers.

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Pat's service to the dog community extends beyond the show ring and whelping box. She has been a Delegate to the American Kennel Club representing the GWPCA since 1980.

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Elected to the AKC Board of Directors in 1996, Pat served on the Board Events and Clubs Committee, Board Discipline Review Committee, Board and Staff Junior Showmanship Scholarship Review Committee and as Board Liaison to the Parent Club Committee. As a Board member she proposed the concept of a breeders education program and served as Chair of The Breeder's Education Committee that developed the program and produced the document that the AKC has sent out as a model to all Parent clubs. When she retired from the AKC Board in 2000 she was elected to the AKC Parent Club Committee and then elected by the committee to serve as its Chair. This committee represents all National (Parent) Breed clubs.

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She also is vice chairman of the <a href="http://www.takethelead.org">Take the Lead</a> foundation and a founder of the American Dog Show Judges Association. A longtime advocate of Junior Showmanship, Pat has been active in the AKC Junior Scholarship program since 1996.

An AKC licensed judge since 1982, Pat is approved to judge Best in Show, Sporting, Hound, Working and Herding Groups; most of the toy group and juniors . She has judged throughout the United States and in Australia, England (the GWP National and the Working Group show), Ireland, Japan, Puerto Rico and Venezuela. She has also judged numerous National Specialties and at the Westminster Kennel Club 11 times.

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Pat Laurans has been an active and enthusiastic member of the dog show world since 1963. She began as an exhibitor, became an assistant handler and eventually was awarded an AKC All Breed Handler's license. Under the kennel name of Laurwyn she bred and owned German Wirehaired Pointers, including four National Specialty and three Best in Show winners, as well as many Top Producers.

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Elected to the AKC Board of Directors in 1996, Pat served on the Board Events and Clubs Committee, Board Discipline Review Committee, Board and Staff Junior Showmanship Scholarship Review Committee and as Board Liaison to the Parent Club Committee. As a Board member she proposed the concept of a breeders education program and served as Chair of The Breeder's Education Committee that developed the program and produced the document that the AKC has sent out as a model to all Parent clubs. When she retired from the AKC Board in 2000 she was elected to the AKC Parent Club Committee and then elected by the committee to serve as its Chair. This committee represents all National (Parent) Breed clubs.

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She also is vice chairman of the <a href="http://www.takethelead.org">Take the Lead</a> foundation and a founder of the American Dog Show Judges Association. A longtime advocate of Junior Showmanship, Pat has been active in the AKC Junior Scholarship program since 1996.

An AKC licensed judge since 1982, Pat is approved to judge Best in Show, Sporting, Hound, Working and Herding Groups; most of the toy group and juniors . She has judged throughout the United States and in Australia, England (the GWP National and the Working Group show), Ireland, Japan, Puerto Rico and Venezuela. She has also judged numerous National Specialties and at the Westminster Kennel Club 11 times.

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Any serious or aspiring breeder should study the accomplishments of  Pat Trotter and her internationally famous Vin-Melca Norwegian Elkhounds.
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 	<li>10 breeder-owner-handled group firsts at Westminster</li>
 	<li>CH Vin-Melca's Vagabond in the AKC Museum of the Dog Hall of Fame</li>
 	<li>Gaines Research Center's Girl Show Dog Fancier of the Year award</li>
 	<li>14 Kennel Review Breeder of the Year and Owner-Handler of the Year awards</li>
 	<li>Quaker Oats (now Nature's Recipe) Hall of Fame</li>
 	<li>Fido Awards-Dog Woman of the Year (1991) and Dog Writer of the Year (1998)</li>
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Her book, "Born to Win" is a library must-have book to be studied.  Mrs. Trotter received the 1997 Maxwell Medallion from the Dog Writers Association of America for her AKC Gazette column.

Pat Trotter's life is dedicated to her dogs and is an example of life-long learning and passion for excellence.

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Any serious or aspiring breeder should study the accomplishments of  Pat Trotter and her internationally famous Vin-Melca Norwegian Elkhounds.
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 	<li>Top sire and dam in breed history</li>
 	<li>10 breeder-owner-handled group firsts at Westminster</li>
 	<li>CH Vin-Melca's Vagabond in the AKC Museum of the Dog Hall of Fame</li>
 	<li>Gaines Research Center's Girl Show Dog Fancier of the Year award</li>
 	<li>14 Kennel Review Breeder of the Year and Owner-Handler of the Year awards</li>
 	<li>Quaker Oats (now Nature's Recipe) Hall of Fame</li>
 	<li>Fido Awards-Dog Woman of the Year (1991) and Dog Writer of the Year (1998)</li>
 	<li>AKC Hound Group Breeder of the Year - 2004</li>
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Her book, "Born to Win" is a library must-have book to be studied.  Mrs. Trotter received the 1997 Maxwell Medallion from the Dog Writers Association of America for her AKC Gazette column.

Pat Trotter's life is dedicated to her dogs and is an example of life-long learning and passion for excellence.

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	Any serious or aspiring breeder should study the accomplishments of  Pat Trotter and her internationally famous Vin-Melca Norwegian Elkhounds.

* Top sire and dam in breed history
* 10 breeder-owner-handled group firsts at Westminster
* CH Vin-Melca&apos;s Vagabond in the AKC Museum of the Dog Hall of Fame
* Gaines Research Center&apos;s Girl Show Dog Fancier of the Year award
* 14 Kennel Review Breeder of the Year and Owner-Handler of the Year awards
* Quaker Oats (now Nature&apos;s Recipe) Hall of Fame
* Fido Awards-Dog Woman of the Year (1991) and Dog Writer of the Year (1998)
* AKC Hound Group Breeder of the Year - 2004

Her book, &quot;Born to Win&quot; is a library must-have book to be studied.  Mrs. Trotter received the 1997 Maxwell Medallion from the Dog Writers Association of America for her AKC Gazette column.
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2017 brings the 141st Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show.  WKC is older than AKC.  A win in Madison Square Garden event is the epitome, of the dream for exhibitors, handlers and owners.

Listen as three past winners speak of the moment the spotlight awarded them Best in Show on the green carpet.
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History and preservation of the longest and most renowned American dog show.  From the early days, through the wartime efforts, and to the televised spectacle it still is today.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Best in Show at Westminster Dog Show</h1>
2017 brings the 141st Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show.  WKC is older than AKC.  A win in Madison Square Garden event is the epitome, of the dream for exhibitors, handlers and owners.

Listen as three past winners speak of the moment the spotlight awarded them Best in Show on the green carpet.
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Great stories of the 1990 Westminster win against Pat Craige (Trotter) with her elkhound, and how the true education and focus on not just one, but many breeds influence Luc Boileau as a judge.  A little reminiscing on dog shows in the early days, and visiting the great kennels and breeders, and how intense and interested everyone was in learning.

A few tips for breeders and exhibitors... Mr. Boileau entertains us in his own unique way.

<em>Luc Boileau has the unique experience of breeding a multitude of breeds.  Starting in Whippets and Poodles in Canada, Mr. Boileau managed show dogs at Ed Jenner's Knolland Farm.  Successful professional handler, Mr. Boileau won Westminster in 1990 with the Pekingese Ch Wendessa Crown Prince.</em>

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Great stories of the 1990 Westminster win against Pat Craige (Trotter) with her elkhound, and how the true education and focus on not just one, but many breeds influence Luc Boileau as a judge.  A little reminiscing on dog shows in the early days, and visiting the great kennels and breeders, and how intense and interested everyone was in learning.

A few tips for breeders and exhibitors... Mr. Boileau entertains us in his own unique way.

<em>Luc Boileau has the unique experience of breeding a multitude of breeds.  Starting in Whippets and Poodles in Canada, Mr. Boileau managed show dogs at Ed Jenner's Knolland Farm.  Successful professional handler, Mr. Boileau won Westminster in 1990 with the Pekingese Ch Wendessa Crown Prince.</em>

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<h2>Mrs. Betty-Anne Stenmark</h2>
Mrs. Betty-Anne Stenmark wrote the book on Dandie Dinmont Terriers...literally.  Under the King's Mtn. kennel name, a long line of champions have been bred and an endangered breed preserved to this day.
<blockquote>We don't have a gene pool, we have a gene puddle.</blockquote>
Dandie Dinmont Terriers are a low-entry breed.  A situation that many of our breeds face today.  In Episode #31 of PureDogTalk.com, Mrs. Stenmark shares her wisdom and generous humor on the "Dandies".

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Mrs. Betty-Anne Stenmark wrote the book on Dandie Dinmont Terriers...literally.  Under the King's Mtn. kennel name, a long line of champions have been bred and an endangered breed preserved to this day.
<blockquote>We don't have a gene pool, we have a gene puddle.</blockquote>
Dandie Dinmont Terriers are a low-entry breed.  A situation that many of our breeds face today.  In Episode #31 of PureDogTalk.com, Mrs. Stenmark shares her wisdom and generous humor on the "Dandies".

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<h1>Was the "Voice of Westminster" Your First Mentor?</h1>
David Frei was "The Voice of Westminster". For 27 years, David opened our eyes to the traits, instincts, stories and wonder of purebred dogs.  From David we heard about border collies and herding, Belgian Malinois as police dogs, golden retrievers, fox terriers, bloodhounds, siberian huskies, and so many more.  Almost always, the reason behind the pom-poms on the poodle was clearly defined.

Listen to Episode #33, Feb 27 on puredogtalk where David joins Laura Reeves for a walk into his beginnings and career in dogs.  Homage is given to his many mentors, especially in Afghan Hounds.  David talks about Pat Craige Trotter and "Craige-Hounds", a name respectfully given for her dominance in Norwegian Elkhounds.

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<h1>Was the "Voice of Westminster" Your First Mentor?</h1>
David Frei was "The Voice of Westminster". For 27 years, David opened our eyes to the traits, instincts, stories and wonder of purebred dogs.  From David we heard about border collies and herding, Belgian Malinois as police dogs, golden retrievers, fox terriers, bloodhounds, siberian huskies, and so many more.  Almost always, the reason behind the pom-poms on the poodle was clearly defined.

Listen to Episode #33, Feb 27 on puredogtalk where David joins Laura Reeves for a walk into his beginnings and career in dogs.  Homage is given to his many mentors, especially in Afghan Hounds.  David talks about Pat Craige Trotter and "Craige-Hounds", a name respectfully given for her dominance in Norwegian Elkhounds.

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<h2>A Two Part Episode on PureDogTalk</h2>
Sussex Spaniel fan or not, the accomplishments of Pluis Davern is a must-listen to.  Many of us would like to see our dogs instincts at work - in the field, on the hunt, herding, or retrieving on land or water.  Pluis Davern has excelled, not only in spearheading the creation of spaniel hunt tests, but in focusing her field and obedience experience to direct Search and Rescue training and service.
<h1>Pluis Davern</h1>
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 	<li>One of two women who formed the National Disaster Search Dog Foundation. Trains teams for FEMA.</li>
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<h2>A Two Part Episode on PureDogTalk</h2>
Sussex Spaniel fan or not, the accomplishments of Pluis Davern is a must-listen to.  Many of us would like to see our dogs instincts at work - in the field, on the hunt, herding, or retrieving on land or water.  Pluis Davern has excelled, not only in spearheading the creation of spaniel hunt tests, but in focusing her field and obedience experience to direct Search and Rescue training and service.
<h1>Pluis Davern</h1>
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 	<li>2011 AKC Breeder of the Year - Sundowner Sussex Spaniel</li>
 	<li>First Sussex Spaniel, Vicar of Lexxfield CD was first Sussex Spaniel to win Best in Show in the U.S. and place in the group at Wesminster.</li>
 	<li>Helped create Spaniel Hunt Test</li>
 	<li>One of two women who formed the National Disaster Search Dog Foundation. Trains teams for FEMA.</li>
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<h1>Jody Davidson - Jody's Juniors</h1>
Once upon a time a Junior Handler herself, Jody Davidson is a professional dog trainer, member of Assoc of Professional Dog Trainers, and Canine Good Citizen Evaluator.  Located in Arizona, Jody leads a team of young dog show enthusiasts to become not only good handlers, but the life skills of responsibility, discipline, and compassion.

From chores to grooming, lessons on toenails, healthy poop, heatstroke, sportsmanship, and nutrition; Jody's Juniors learn how to care for and train dogs.

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Once upon a time a Junior Handler herself, Jody Davidson is a professional dog trainer, member of Assoc of Professional Dog Trainers, and Canine Good Citizen Evaluator.  Located in Arizona, Jody leads a team of young dog show enthusiasts to become not only good handlers, but the life skills of responsibility, discipline, and compassion.

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<h1>A Family Affair: How to Balance Family and Breeding</h1>
<h3><em>Recorded LIVE at Westminster Dog Show.</em></h3>
Doug and Michaelanne Johnson of Old English Sheepdog and Bouvier des Flandres fame raised 5 children while handling show dogs and running a Colorado Springs, CO boarding and training kennel.

Winners of the AKC Breeder of the Year and Herding award in 2006, credit goes to the family as a whole.  Son Colton Johnson is now a professional handler and the four girls help run the family kennel business with everyone having an input on the breeding decisions.

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Doug and Michaelanne Johnson of Old English Sheepdog and Bouvier des Flandres fame raised 5 children while handling show dogs and running a Colorado Springs, CO boarding and training kennel.

Winners of the AKC Breeder of the Year and Herding award in 2006, credit goes to the family as a whole.  Son Colton Johnson is now a professional handler and the four girls help run the family kennel business with everyone having an input on the breeding decisions.

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<h1>National Animal Interest Alliance</h1>
National Animal Interest Alliance and Patti Strand have been fighting for purebred dogs and animal ownership rights for 26 years.  Listen as Patti Strand gives an overview of the Animal Rights issues, the history, current public perception, and the propaganda war.

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Jason Lynn was a 7 year old Kentucky boy when he watched a televised replay of the great German Shepherd Dog Manhattan winning Best in Show at Westminster Kennel Club in New York City. Although his family did not own a show dog, he was captured by the vision and from that day forward it was his goal to achieve that dream.

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Jason owned, co-bred with Michael Gadsby, and handled two of the last four Best in Show winners at Crufts. Winning with the Standard Poodle Ricky, Ch/Am Ch Afterglow Maverick Sabre, in 2014 and just last month with Miami, Show Champion Afterglow Miami Ink, the American Cocker Spaniel.

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In today’s podcast Jason talks about his history in the sport since that impactful day watching the Garden while home sick from school. His mentors, his journey and what he feels helped bring about this level of success.

For all of us with dreams, this is a powerful opportunity to hear from someone who started at the very bottom and made it all the way to the top of the mountain.

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Jason Lynn was a 7 year old Kentucky boy when he watched a televised replay of the great German Shepherd Dog Manhattan winning Best in Show at Westminster Kennel Club in New York City. Although his family did not own a show dog, he was captured by the vision and from that day forward it was his goal to achieve that dream.

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Dedication, hard work and dash of good fortune have brought him, exactly 30 years later, to the realization of that long-cherished goal.

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Jason owned, co-bred with Michael Gadsby, and handled two of the last four Best in Show winners at Crufts. Winning with the Standard Poodle Ricky, Ch/Am Ch Afterglow Maverick Sabre, in 2014 and just last month with Miami, Show Champion Afterglow Miami Ink, the American Cocker Spaniel.

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In today’s podcast Jason talks about his history in the sport since that impactful day watching the Garden while home sick from school. His mentors, his journey and what he feels helped bring about this level of success.

For all of us with dreams, this is a powerful opportunity to hear from someone who started at the very bottom and made it all the way to the top of the mountain.

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<p>Mike Pitts, along with his wife Linda, are among the top tier handlers in the country, having run multiple top dogs over the years. Most recently, Linda piloted the Puli, Preston, to number one all breeds all systems in 2016.</p>
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<p>Back in the day, they studied under top handlers, including Linda’s time working for Houston and Toddie Clark, now well-known and respected AKC judges, and Mike’s apprenticeship with top Cocker handlers of the day.</p>
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<p>Mike and Linda live in Knoxville, Tenn. Mike’s recommendation for new and hopeful dog people (handlers or breeders) is to bring your passion, your determination to succeed and a willingness to embrace brutally hard work. And, most importantly, to ask for help. “We will help anyone who has a legitimate desire to learn,” he said.</p>
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<p>The operative phrase there is “desire to learn”… Mike expresses frustration with folks who don’t want to put in the effort to get ahead. “We had a kid, he was always on his phone…. With my dog on the table…” His expression spoke volumes about this lack of attention and focus on the number one priority… The dogs.</p>
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<p>“It isn’t about politics, it isn’t about who you know…. It’s about doing the work, putting in the time, paying your dues,” Mike says.</p>
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<p>Mike Pitts, along with his wife Linda, are among the top tier handlers in the country, having run multiple top dogs over the years. Most recently, Linda piloted the Puli, Preston, to number one all breeds all systems in 2016.</p>
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<p>But they also carried their knowledge forward to the next generation, mentoring other aspiring young dog people. One of those folks you heard from last week when we talked to Jason Lynn about his second win at Crufts in the last few years.</p>
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<p>Mike and Linda live in Knoxville, Tenn. Mike’s recommendation for new and hopeful dog people (handlers or breeders) is to bring your passion, your determination to succeed and a willingness to embrace brutally hard work. And, most importantly, to ask for help. “We will help anyone who has a legitimate desire to learn,” he said.</p>
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<p>The operative phrase there is “desire to learn”… Mike expresses frustration with folks who don’t want to put in the effort to get ahead. “We had a kid, he was always on his phone…. With my dog on the table…” His expression spoke volumes about this lack of attention and focus on the number one priority… The dogs.</p>
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<p>“It isn’t about politics, it isn’t about who you know…. It’s about doing the work, putting in the time, paying your dues,” Mike says.</p>
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Mike and Linda live in Knoxville, Tenn. Mike’s recommendation for new and hopeful dog people (handlers or breeders) is to bring your passion, your determination to succeed and a willingness to embrace brutally hard work. And, most importantly, to ask for help. “We will help anyone who has a legitimate desire to learn,” he said.&lt;br /&gt;
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The operative phrase there is “desire to learn”… Mike expresses frustration with folks who don’t want to put in the effort to get ahead. “We had a kid, he was always on his phone…. With my dog on the table…” His expression spoke volumes about this lack of attention and focus on the number one priority… The dogs.&lt;br /&gt;
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<h1>National Specialties and Mentor Opportunities: Eileen Hackett</h1>
Where but a National Specialty can you pull up a ringside chair, in the company of top breeders, and watch hundreds of dogs in your breed?

Where but a National Specialty can you see two or three generations of progeny from a stud or dam?

Where but a National Specialty are the mentors gathered that can tell you about dog's 3, 4, 5 generations of more back in your pedigree?
<h2>Win or Lose: Go to your National Specialty</h2>
Eileen Hackett, Professional Dog Handler and Breeder of English Setters talks about why Nationals and what you can learn by attending.

Enjoy Episode #54 of PureDogTalk!

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<h1>National Specialties and Mentor Opportunities: Eileen Hackett</h1>
Where but a National Specialty can you pull up a ringside chair, in the company of top breeders, and watch hundreds of dogs in your breed?

Where but a National Specialty can you see two or three generations of progeny from a stud or dam?

Where but a National Specialty are the mentors gathered that can tell you about dog's 3, 4, 5 generations of more back in your pedigree?
<h2>Win or Lose: Go to your National Specialty</h2>
Eileen Hackett, Professional Dog Handler and Breeder of English Setters talks about why Nationals and what you can learn by attending.

Enjoy Episode #54 of PureDogTalk!

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Public Needs</h1><h2>Michelle Santana - Foxfire Dobermans</h2><p>35 years in Dobermans, inherited the love of the breed from her mother, Michelle Santana is dedicated to the future of her favorite breed.</p><p>While Michelle tried a brief stint in Collies, she returned committed to her mother's breeding program, and describes Doberman as:</p><blockquote>Labor Intensive, Destructive, Strong... and intent on following you into the bathroom</blockquote><p>Michelle and her Foxfire Dobermans have been honored with the AKC Working Group Breeder of the Year Award and a Dogs in Review "Winkie" for Breeder of the Year.</p><h2>Mentor - Bill Shelton</h2><p>Bill Shelton is considered by Michelle to be a strong influence and mentor for her as an owner-handler, breeder, and exhibitor.&nbsp;She mirrored his handling style and listened as he spoke of purposefully bred dogs or breeding for the preservation of consistent and reliable traits, types, and temperaments.</p><h2>Doberman's Historical Tradition</h2><p>Dobermans are a silhouette with cropped ears, docked tail, strength, and angles that cause pause to an intruder.&nbsp;Historically a personal protection dog, the upright ear and short tail made it difficult for a perpetrator to grab or defend against the Doberman.</p><h2>Mentor a Junior, Mentor your Buyers, Mentor a Breeder</h2><h3>Juniors</h3><p>Juniors are the key to the sport and Michelle encourages experience Breeders to support them.&nbsp;Give them a GREAT DOG to compete with, teach them how to BREED, pay for a junior to compete in the bigger competitions.</p><h3>Buyers</h3><p>Be a Mentor to your puppy buyers.&nbsp;Let them know that you are available and the FIRST resource.&nbsp;Encourage them to compete in dog sports, have fun in barn hunt or even consider showing.</p><h3>Breeders of the Future</h3><p>Mentor a future breeder. Take it upon yourself to teach one or two people so the knowledge is passed down.&nbsp;Breeding is hard work.&nbsp;We need others willing to carry our breeds forward.</p><h2>John Q. Public Needs YOU!</h2><p>OMG!&nbsp;Yes.&nbsp;Mentors in the breeds need to be the educated voice in the public Facebook groups, so answers to questions don't come from the people who don't.</p><p>Teach the public.&nbsp;Be the VOICE that they hear.</p><h2>Shout Out to John Engstrom - You Asked!</h2><p>Listener John Engstrom wrote and asked for a Michelle Santana interview - and Pure Dog Talk listened!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Be the Expert That John Q. 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<h1>African Basenji Project Stories with Damara Bolte</h1>
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Enjoy the stories of a woman professional handler in the 1950's, early days of Basenji's in America, 33 years of working at National Institutes of Health's "Mouse House" and more...

Damara Bolte's sculptures can be found in the AKC Dog Museum, as commissioned works and awards.
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<h2>Bloodhound Mantrailing vs. AKC Tracking</h2>
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Did you know that bloodhounds do more than find lost people or track criminals?  They also are used as an evidence tool in court and investigation.  An item is presented to the bloodhound, and the dog then "picks from a line-up" the person whose scent matches the item.
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#1 Bloodhound status belongs to Susan Hamil's Quiet Creek Bloodhound line.  However, Susan's dedication to the Canine Health Foundation and its Tick and Disease prevention program demonstrates how excelled breeders and dog people give back to their sport. Listen as Susan Hamil discusses many of the challenges and accomplishments of the Canine Health Foundation and her role as an AKC Delegate.

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Did you know that bloodhounds do more than find lost people or track criminals?  They also are used as an evidence tool in court and investigation.  An item is presented to the bloodhound, and the dog then "picks from a line-up" the person whose scent matches the item.
<h2>Susan Hamil - Quiet Creek Bloodhounds</h2>
#1 Bloodhound status belongs to Susan Hamil's Quiet Creek Bloodhound line.  However, Susan's dedication to the Canine Health Foundation and its Tick and Disease prevention program demonstrates how excelled breeders and dog people give back to their sport. Listen as Susan Hamil discusses many of the challenges and accomplishments of the Canine Health Foundation and her role as an AKC Delegate.

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Dreaming of owning or showing the top dog, the #1 All-Breed dog in the America?  Laura King tells the fun and frustration, and the magic
<h2>Laura King</h2>
Laura King grew up in a show dog family with Belgian Sheepdogs and Schipperke.  Today, she co-breeds English Cockers, Foxhounds and Springer Spaniels.

With Robin Novak, Laura King has been in contention for #1 All-Breed several times and tells you from her experiences just what magic it takes to be #1.
<h2>Manage Frustration and Timing</h2>
The more you win, the more rumblings are spoken that might set questions in the minds of the judges.  Perhaps you win with lovely compliments under a judge, but the same judge awards another the next time out.  There is no sure thing and just when you think you "figured it out", the certainty of a win changes.  Timing is everything.  It takes planning and practice and pure luck to get it right every time.  Scoring a "perfect 10" is not accidental, but the discipline of training the perfect 10 day in and day out.
<h2>Hours and Hours on the Road</h2>
Top Dog show schedule is grueling.  You must have the right dog,  with the right temperament,  who can give 1000% week after week.  As handler and caretaker, you must know what the dog needs and how it's affected.
<h2>Financial Support</h2>
To campaign a top dog is a costly endeavor.  Most important is to have clients that are cheerleaders, so on those difficult days, they are supportive of you and the dog.
<h2>Support System at Home</h2>
Most handlers have a string of dogs, or their own dogs and business to take care of at home.  Support system of home care, training, and showing of young dogs, breeding and whelping, and someone just to pay the bills and handle emergencies is critical.
<h2>Sport Appreciation</h2>
The "sport" or "fancy" has to appreciate and respect the dog and the handler.  No dog rises to the top without others believing and recognizing the breed quality and being a cheerleader.

After all, there are many great dogs just sitting in backyards at #20 in breed rankings.  There is more to #1 than just a great dog.
<h2>Laura and her Talent for Special Needs Dogs</h2>
One key to Laura King's success is her innate ability to feel and read a dog, and her intuitive comprehension of how to serve the special needs of a particular dog.  Knowing whether a dog is difficult or just needs to decompress can look very similar in behavior, but how the handler should react are very different.  The muscle tone, ears, eyes, and tail tell much of the dog's needs.
<h2>Dogs Come First</h2>
Dogs come first.  No matter what our dreams or agenda is... dogs come first.

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<h2>On the Road to #1 All-Breed with Laura King</h2>
Dreaming of owning or showing the top dog, the #1 All-Breed dog in the America?  Laura King tells the fun and frustration, and the magic
<h2>Laura King</h2>
Laura King grew up in a show dog family with Belgian Sheepdogs and Schipperke.  Today, she co-breeds English Cockers, Foxhounds and Springer Spaniels.

With Robin Novak, Laura King has been in contention for #1 All-Breed several times and tells you from her experiences just what magic it takes to be #1.
<h2>Manage Frustration and Timing</h2>
The more you win, the more rumblings are spoken that might set questions in the minds of the judges.  Perhaps you win with lovely compliments under a judge, but the same judge awards another the next time out.  There is no sure thing and just when you think you "figured it out", the certainty of a win changes.  Timing is everything.  It takes planning and practice and pure luck to get it right every time.  Scoring a "perfect 10" is not accidental, but the discipline of training the perfect 10 day in and day out.
<h2>Hours and Hours on the Road</h2>
Top Dog show schedule is grueling.  You must have the right dog,  with the right temperament,  who can give 1000% week after week.  As handler and caretaker, you must know what the dog needs and how it's affected.
<h2>Financial Support</h2>
To campaign a top dog is a costly endeavor.  Most important is to have clients that are cheerleaders, so on those difficult days, they are supportive of you and the dog.
<h2>Support System at Home</h2>
Most handlers have a string of dogs, or their own dogs and business to take care of at home.  Support system of home care, training, and showing of young dogs, breeding and whelping, and someone just to pay the bills and handle emergencies is critical.
<h2>Sport Appreciation</h2>
The "sport" or "fancy" has to appreciate and respect the dog and the handler.  No dog rises to the top without others believing and recognizing the breed quality and being a cheerleader.

After all, there are many great dogs just sitting in backyards at #20 in breed rankings.  There is more to #1 than just a great dog.
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<h2>Dogs Come First</h2>
Dogs come first.  No matter what our dreams or agenda is... dogs come first.

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<h1>Steve Gladstone - AKC Board of Directors and Cardigan Welsh Corgis</h1>
<h3>AKC Judges Biography</h3>
<blockquote>Steven D. Gladstone, of Mount Pocono, Pennsylvania, sits on the AKC Board of Directors. He has bred and shown Cardigan Welsh Corgis under the Aragorn prefix since 1974, earning more than 100 AKC titles in nearly every aspect of the sport in which a Cardigan can compete. One of their most cherished memories was winning BOB at the 1984 AKC Centennial Show in Philadelphia under the noted Cardigan fancier Dr. Ed McGough. The Gladstones have also owned Norwegian Elkhounds, German Shepherd Dogs, and Australian Shepherds.

Mr. Gladstone began judging match shows in the late 1970s and was first approved to judge Cardigans in 1988. He now judges the Herding and Working groups and five hound breeds. Judging trips have included assignments in New Zealand, England, Canada, and most recently, Saint Petersburg, Russia. He also judged the AKC/Eukanuba National Championship show in 2003 and 2005.

Mr. Gladstone has been AKC Delegate from the Reno Kennel Club since 1999. Mr. and Mrs. Gladstone are members of the Cardigan Welsh Corgi Club of America, and each has served on the club’s board of directors over the years. They are also longtime members of the Pocono Mountain Kennel Club and the Penn Ridge Kennel Club, both in Pennsylvania.

Before serving as a Delegate, Mr. Gladstone represented members of the fancy for 15 years as their attorney. Those representations concerned most every possible problem that can arise in the sport, from disciplinary matters to judges’ applications to registrations, club relations, and studbook discrepancies. Through his experience in this field, Mr. Gladstone is "proud to have helped reshape the AKC Discipline Bylaws," which he feels gives the fanciers "a truly fair and equitable disciplinary system."</blockquote>
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<h1>Steve Gladstone - AKC Board of Directors and Cardigan Welsh Corgis</h1>
<h3>AKC Judges Biography</h3>
<blockquote>Steven D. Gladstone, of Mount Pocono, Pennsylvania, sits on the AKC Board of Directors. He has bred and shown Cardigan Welsh Corgis under the Aragorn prefix since 1974, earning more than 100 AKC titles in nearly every aspect of the sport in which a Cardigan can compete. One of their most cherished memories was winning BOB at the 1984 AKC Centennial Show in Philadelphia under the noted Cardigan fancier Dr. Ed McGough. The Gladstones have also owned Norwegian Elkhounds, German Shepherd Dogs, and Australian Shepherds.

Mr. Gladstone began judging match shows in the late 1970s and was first approved to judge Cardigans in 1988. He now judges the Herding and Working groups and five hound breeds. Judging trips have included assignments in New Zealand, England, Canada, and most recently, Saint Petersburg, Russia. He also judged the AKC/Eukanuba National Championship show in 2003 and 2005.

Mr. Gladstone has been AKC Delegate from the Reno Kennel Club since 1999. Mr. and Mrs. Gladstone are members of the Cardigan Welsh Corgi Club of America, and each has served on the club’s board of directors over the years. They are also longtime members of the Pocono Mountain Kennel Club and the Penn Ridge Kennel Club, both in Pennsylvania.

Before serving as a Delegate, Mr. Gladstone represented members of the fancy for 15 years as their attorney. Those representations concerned most every possible problem that can arise in the sport, from disciplinary matters to judges’ applications to registrations, club relations, and studbook discrepancies. Through his experience in this field, Mr. Gladstone is "proud to have helped reshape the AKC Discipline Bylaws," which he feels gives the fanciers "a truly fair and equitable disciplinary system."</blockquote>
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<h1>Eugene Blake - International Judge</h1>
<span style="font-size: 14px">Eugene Blake is always dapper in appearance, impeccable in style, and a smile full of life and joy.  </span>

He is a lovely judge to show under, a man of extensive dog knowledge, and a willing mentor for new exhibitors in the show ring.

In this interview, Eugene shares his history, fascination and love of dogs.  Don't miss the in-depth Sighthound Review article written by Bo Bengtson.

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<h2>Professional Handler to AKC and International Judge</h2>
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<blockquote>I started working with dogs in 1954 as a dog bather at a French Poodle Shop in Houston, Texas. I attended my first dog show in 1955 and then decided I wanted to show dogs.

I became an All-Breed licensed handler in 1968.  I showed dogs professionally for some 33 years, then, I retired, and became a judge. During that time, I bred Poodles, Cocker Spaniels, Italian Greyhounds, Maltese, Yorkshire Terriers, Salukis, and Afghan Hounds. I never bred more than 4 litters of any of one breed. As a handler I helped many of my clients with their breeding programs, including choosing studs, and picking puppies.

I started judging in 1990, with the Hound Group. Since that time I have added the Sporting Group, Toy Group, and Non-Sporting Group. I judge 4 Groups: Best in Show, Junior Showmanship, and Miscellaneous. I have judged in Australia, Canada, Finland, Indonesia, Japan, New Zealand, Sweden, Taiwan, and Thailand. As of now, I judge between 60 and 70 shows a year. <em>AKC Biography</em></blockquote>
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<span style="font-size: 14px">Eugene Blake is always dapper in appearance, impeccable in style, and a smile full of life and joy.  </span>

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<h2>Professional Handler to AKC and International Judge</h2>
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<blockquote>I started working with dogs in 1954 as a dog bather at a French Poodle Shop in Houston, Texas. I attended my first dog show in 1955 and then decided I wanted to show dogs.

I became an All-Breed licensed handler in 1968.  I showed dogs professionally for some 33 years, then, I retired, and became a judge. During that time, I bred Poodles, Cocker Spaniels, Italian Greyhounds, Maltese, Yorkshire Terriers, Salukis, and Afghan Hounds. I never bred more than 4 litters of any of one breed. As a handler I helped many of my clients with their breeding programs, including choosing studs, and picking puppies.

I started judging in 1990, with the Hound Group. Since that time I have added the Sporting Group, Toy Group, and Non-Sporting Group. I judge 4 Groups: Best in Show, Junior Showmanship, and Miscellaneous. I have judged in Australia, Canada, Finland, Indonesia, Japan, New Zealand, Sweden, Taiwan, and Thailand. As of now, I judge between 60 and 70 shows a year. <em>AKC Biography</em></blockquote>
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From Pomeranians to prestigious judge at Westminster and National Events, Mr. Bivin contributes to the sport through the Take the Lead Foundation.  Listen to episode 75 as he shares his history and dedication with Laura Reeves.
<blockquote>Edd E. Bivin, of Fort Worth, Texas, acquired his first purebred dog, a Pomeranian bitch, at age 12. This introduced him to the sport of dogs and became the foundation of a breeding program that led to his breeding and exhibiting top-winning Poms. Additionally, he says, "My wife Irene and I enjoyed the breeding and exhibiting of Doberman Pinschers and Dachshunds during her lifetime."

Mr. Bivin first judged toy dogs at match shows at the age of 15. He was approved to judge Pomeranians at U.S. championship point shows in 1961 and is today approved for all sporting, working, terrier, toy, and non-sporting breeds, and several herding breeds. "It has been my privilege to judge many all-breed and specialty shows in the United States and abroad," he says, "among those being many of the internationally famous ones–Best in Show at Westminster, 1999.  A great joy has been the judging of many national specialty shows of various breeds in the groups for which I am approved."

Mr. Bivin is chairman of Take the Lead, a charitable organization for people in the sport. "It is a way for me and others to give back to a sport from which we have taken so much."  He served for 32 years as an administrator at Texas Christian University, with 18 of those years spent as Vice Chancellor for Administrative Services.</blockquote>
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<blockquote>Edd E. Bivin, of Fort Worth, Texas, acquired his first purebred dog, a Pomeranian bitch, at age 12. This introduced him to the sport of dogs and became the foundation of a breeding program that led to his breeding and exhibiting top-winning Poms. Additionally, he says, "My wife Irene and I enjoyed the breeding and exhibiting of Doberman Pinschers and Dachshunds during her lifetime."

Mr. Bivin first judged toy dogs at match shows at the age of 15. He was approved to judge Pomeranians at U.S. championship point shows in 1961 and is today approved for all sporting, working, terrier, toy, and non-sporting breeds, and several herding breeds. "It has been my privilege to judge many all-breed and specialty shows in the United States and abroad," he says, "among those being many of the internationally famous ones–Best in Show at Westminster, 1999.  A great joy has been the judging of many national specialty shows of various breeds in the groups for which I am approved."

Mr. Bivin is chairman of Take the Lead, a charitable organization for people in the sport. "It is a way for me and others to give back to a sport from which we have taken so much."  He served for 32 years as an administrator at Texas Christian University, with 18 of those years spent as Vice Chancellor for Administrative Services.</blockquote>
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<p class="Body"><span class="Hyperlink0"><a href="http://www.sighthoundreview.com">http://www.sighthoundreview.com</a></span></p>
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<h2>One Breed, One World</h2>
Doug Johnson started at a young and impressionable age of 15, and attributes his "no bias" mentality to his youth.

Pursuit in quality is the top priority in working in small gene pools and shrinking gene pools are a factor that even popular breeds are facing.  Pursuit in quality means that there is "no bias" towards or against the kennel or "camp" that the dog is associated with.

Doug Johnson breeds by physical trait, dogs that look alike or resemble each other regardless of the pedigree.
<blockquote>We use science as a tool, but breeding is an art</blockquote>
Genetic testing is a must-use tool, especially when breeding internationally.
<h2>Search the Globe</h2>
Search the globe and exchange dogs internationally.  Consider building bridges by exchanging dogs with top international breeders for a second or third generation "puppy back".

We can't be be island breeders anymore.
<h2>Resist Fashion</h2>
Resist the "Americanization of Show Dogs" fashion trend.  Dogs are bred to standards and should look and be the same everywhere.  The English Springer Spaniel in the U.S. for example, has lost proper croup for a "showier" presentation in the ring.
<h2>Test and Tell</h2>
Yes, Test AND TELL!!!  It's not about you.  Small gene pools cannot survive without the sharing of test results, good and bad.  As genetic testing improves, the necessity for greater understanding, education, communication and reliance on other breeders is needed.  The perfect dog without a specific recessive gene may be in Australia, or Germany or even Russia.

Look at the success of the African Basenji Project featured in <a href="https://puredogtalk.com/african-basenji-project-damara-bolte/">Pure Dog Talk #67</a>.
<h2>Drop the Ego</h2>
Don't believe the press.  You're top winning dog may not be the best example of your breed.  You may have had better dogs in the past, and this is just the best one at this time.

Want success for other people.  Keep every door open and commit to lifelong learning.

Elevate who you are and be honest about your animals.
<h2>Be Grateful</h2>
Above all, be grateful.  Be grateful for others and grateful for our dogs and what they give us all.

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<h2>One Breed, One World</h2>
Doug Johnson started at a young and impressionable age of 15, and attributes his "no bias" mentality to his youth.

Pursuit in quality is the top priority in working in small gene pools and shrinking gene pools are a factor that even popular breeds are facing.  Pursuit in quality means that there is "no bias" towards or against the kennel or "camp" that the dog is associated with.

Doug Johnson breeds by physical trait, dogs that look alike or resemble each other regardless of the pedigree.
<blockquote>We use science as a tool, but breeding is an art</blockquote>
Genetic testing is a must-use tool, especially when breeding internationally.
<h2>Search the Globe</h2>
Search the globe and exchange dogs internationally.  Consider building bridges by exchanging dogs with top international breeders for a second or third generation "puppy back".

We can't be be island breeders anymore.
<h2>Resist Fashion</h2>
Resist the "Americanization of Show Dogs" fashion trend.  Dogs are bred to standards and should look and be the same everywhere.  The English Springer Spaniel in the U.S. for example, has lost proper croup for a "showier" presentation in the ring.
<h2>Test and Tell</h2>
Yes, Test AND TELL!!!  It's not about you.  Small gene pools cannot survive without the sharing of test results, good and bad.  As genetic testing improves, the necessity for greater understanding, education, communication and reliance on other breeders is needed.  The perfect dog without a specific recessive gene may be in Australia, or Germany or even Russia.

Look at the success of the African Basenji Project featured in <a href="https://puredogtalk.com/african-basenji-project-damara-bolte/">Pure Dog Talk #67</a>.
<h2>Drop the Ego</h2>
Don't believe the press.  You're top winning dog may not be the best example of your breed.  You may have had better dogs in the past, and this is just the best one at this time.

Want success for other people.  Keep every door open and commit to lifelong learning.

Elevate who you are and be honest about your animals.
<h2>Be Grateful</h2>
Above all, be grateful.  Be grateful for others and grateful for our dogs and what they give us all.

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<h2>Ch Kahootz Chase Manhattan</h2>
Many know and remember Mike as the handler of 13 inch Beagle "Ben" - Ch Kahootz Chase Manhattan, but there is much more to Mike and Karen.

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<h2>Original Handler Licensing System</h2>
Once upon a time, you had to be licensed for each breed that you handled.  AKC reps inspected your kennel,  your set-up at the shows and your license had to be renewed each year.  Mike and Karen tell the stories of how the original handler system worked.
<h2>Field Judge and Beagles on the Scent</h2>
Mike is full of surprises, so if you want to know about Beagles, scents, and field work, here you go.

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This episode of Pure Dog Talk is quite enjoyable, and Laura's introduction gives a bit of insight and respect to two people who deserve it.
<h2>Did You Know?</h2>
<ul>
 	<li>Mike raised homing pigeons</li>
 	<li>One of the first all breed handlers in the licensing system</li>
 	<li>Married to Karen for 33 Years - Kudos to Karen and Mike!</li>
 	<li>WAS THE YOUNGEST LICENSED FIELD JUDGE IN U.S.</li>
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<h2>Ch Kahootz Chase Manhattan</h2>
Many know and remember Mike as the handler of 13 inch Beagle "Ben" - Ch Kahootz Chase Manhattan, but there is much more to Mike and Karen.

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www.tesorosbeagles.com
<h2>Original Handler Licensing System</h2>
Once upon a time, you had to be licensed for each breed that you handled.  AKC reps inspected your kennel,  your set-up at the shows and your license had to be renewed each year.  Mike and Karen tell the stories of how the original handler system worked.
<h2>Field Judge and Beagles on the Scent</h2>
Mike is full of surprises, so if you want to know about Beagles, scents, and field work, here you go.

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<h1>Wendy Paquette - Shih Tzu, Toy Breeds and Breeding</h1>
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Wendy Paquette faced challenges with her choice of Shih Tzu as a breed.  Before the internet, with no other breeders in northern Canada, Wendy imported her first two dogs from England.

All Breed Judge and former Professional Handler, Wendy handled many of the toy breeds with multiple Best-in-Show success.
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<h2>Smart Solution to Toy Breeding Education</h2>
Wendy had a smart solution to acquire a toy breed "Breeding" education, despite Canadian isolation.

She leased bitches from her top clients and whelped different toy breed litters!  Firsthand she gained breed insight from day 1 in the whelping box.
<h2>Nigel Aubrey Jones</h2>
Nigel Aubrey Jones, great Pekingese breeder and author, was an influential mentor for Wendy.

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<h2>Tips and Thoughts on Toys and Drop Coated Breeds</h2>
<h3>Health and Maintenance</h3>
Tend to be maintenance and care intensive for health and coat.  Since they are small, owners tend to have larger numbers.  The drop coats make it more difficult to notice health issues.
<h3>Lack of Exercise</h3>
Need more exercise than just an ex-pen.  Despite the small size, they need to run outdoors, in fresh air, where they can stretch and tone muscle.  Proper coat has strong hair, but some show dogs might need the sides tied up.
<h3>Temperament</h3>
Toys are companions and temperament is a must.
<h2>Wendy's Thoughts</h2>
Learn the past of your breed.  Know who the breeders were or are, and their contributions.  Just because they don't have a top dog out today, doesn't mean the decades of knowledge and experience are any less.

Wendy has been involved in purebred dogs since 1971. She began her career breeding Shih Tzu, and along the way has owned and bred Samoyeds, Afghans, Salukis, Whippets, Brussels Griffon, Maltese, Pekingese, Lakeland Terriers and Wire Fox Terriers. She specializes in Shih Tzu and Lakeland Terriers as her main breeds and has produced over 250 Canadian Champions, 80 American Champions, 16 different Best In Show winners and 10 National Specialty winners. Wendy is a co-owner of Wenrick Kennels Incorporated. The Wenrick Shih Tzu breeding program is world-renowned.
<blockquote>Wendy is also a retired professional dog handler. A profession she enjoyed for 15 years. During this time she finished over 500 champions in 80 different breeds and won 150+ All Breed Best in Shows with 16 different breeds. She also owned and piloted a Pekingese "Bingo", Am Can Ch Rodari's Aces High to the number 2 All Breeds in Canada in 1994.

She has been honored with lifetime memberships in the Canadian Kennel Club, the Sudbury &amp; District Kennel Club and the Canadian Shih Tzu Club. She was also awarded an Honorary Membership in the Canadian Professional Handlers Association.

Wendy is a Canadian Kennel Club (CKC) Licensed All Breed Judge, a founding member of the Canadian Dog Judges Association (CDJA) and a member of the American Dog Judges Association (ADSJA). In addition to Canada and the USA, she has judged in Australia, New Zealand, Bermuda, Brazil, Colombia, Chile, Peru, Japan, Mexico, Taiwan, South Africa, Denmark, Italy, Finland, Norway, Sweden and Ireland. <a href="http://www.wenrick.ca">www.wenrick.ca</a></blockquote>
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<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/image1.jpg"></a>

Wendy Paquette faced challenges with her choice of Shih Tzu as a breed.  Before the internet, with no other breeders in northern Canada, Wendy imported her first two dogs from England.

All Breed Judge and former Professional Handler, Wendy handled many of the toy breeds with multiple Best-in-Show success.
<h2></h2>
<h2>Smart Solution to Toy Breeding Education</h2>
Wendy had a smart solution to acquire a toy breed "Breeding" education, despite Canadian isolation.

She leased bitches from her top clients and whelped different toy breed litters!  Firsthand she gained breed insight from day 1 in the whelping box.
<h2>Nigel Aubrey Jones</h2>
Nigel Aubrey Jones, great Pekingese breeder and author, was an influential mentor for Wendy.

&nbsp;
<h2>Tips and Thoughts on Toys and Drop Coated Breeds</h2>
<h3>Health and Maintenance</h3>
Tend to be maintenance and care intensive for health and coat.  Since they are small, owners tend to have larger numbers.  The drop coats make it more difficult to notice health issues.
<h3>Lack of Exercise</h3>
Need more exercise than just an ex-pen.  Despite the small size, they need to run outdoors, in fresh air, where they can stretch and tone muscle.  Proper coat has strong hair, but some show dogs might need the sides tied up.
<h3>Temperament</h3>
Toys are companions and temperament is a must.
<h2>Wendy's Thoughts</h2>
Learn the past of your breed.  Know who the breeders were or are, and their contributions.  Just because they don't have a top dog out today, doesn't mean the decades of knowledge and experience are any less.

Wendy has been involved in purebred dogs since 1971. She began her career breeding Shih Tzu, and along the way has owned and bred Samoyeds, Afghans, Salukis, Whippets, Brussels Griffon, Maltese, Pekingese, Lakeland Terriers and Wire Fox Terriers. She specializes in Shih Tzu and Lakeland Terriers as her main breeds and has produced over 250 Canadian Champions, 80 American Champions, 16 different Best In Show winners and 10 National Specialty winners. Wendy is a co-owner of Wenrick Kennels Incorporated. The Wenrick Shih Tzu breeding program is world-renowned.
<blockquote>Wendy is also a retired professional dog handler. A profession she enjoyed for 15 years. During this time she finished over 500 champions in 80 different breeds and won 150+ All Breed Best in Shows with 16 different breeds. She also owned and piloted a Pekingese "Bingo", Am Can Ch Rodari's Aces High to the number 2 All Breeds in Canada in 1994.

She has been honored with lifetime memberships in the Canadian Kennel Club, the Sudbury &amp; District Kennel Club and the Canadian Shih Tzu Club. She was also awarded an Honorary Membership in the Canadian Professional Handlers Association.

Wendy is a Canadian Kennel Club (CKC) Licensed All Breed Judge, a founding member of the Canadian Dog Judges Association (CDJA) and a member of the American Dog Judges Association (ADSJA). In addition to Canada and the USA, she has judged in Australia, New Zealand, Bermuda, Brazil, Colombia, Chile, Peru, Japan, Mexico, Taiwan, South Africa, Denmark, Italy, Finland, Norway, Sweden and Ireland. <a href="http://www.wenrick.ca">www.wenrick.ca</a></blockquote>
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<h2>Cindy Vogels: Soft Coated Wheaten Terriers, Westminster BIS Judge, Take the Lead and AKC Canine Health Foundation Treasurer</h2>
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 	<li>Cindy Vogels and her mother, Jackie Gottlieb, have bred over 100 Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier Champions.</li>
 	<li>Selected to judge Best in Show at Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show in 2012</li>
 	<li>Board Member of Take the Lead</li>
 	<li>Founding Member and Treasurer of AKC Canine Health Foundation</li>
 	<li>Past President of the Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier Club of America and helped breed from Miscellaneous to AKC Recognition</li>
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<h2>Are You Impressed Yet?</h2>
Listen as Cindy Vogels tells of her journey with her beloved Soft Coated Wheaten Terriers and a special win with one of her veterans.

Listen to the beginnings of Take The Lead started during the time of the AIDS epidemic and the strides to ensure privacy.

Listen to how $40,ooo,000 has been granted in AKC Canine Health Foundation research and how your breed club can participate.

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<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Harry-MCKC-1994.jpg"></a>
<blockquote>Mrs. Cindy Vogels

Cindy Vogels, of Greenwood Village, Colorado, has bred more than 100 champion Soft Coated Wheaten Terriers, and champion Norfolk, Kerry Blue, and Welsh terriers, and Brittanys. These include Best in Show, specialty Best in Show, and group winners, and top producers, including the top terrier dam of all time.

Mrs. Vogels judges all terriers, all sporting breeds, Junior Showmanship, and Best in Show. Career judging highlights include Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier and Norfolk Terrier national specialties, and the Westminster Kennel Club Show.

Mrs. Vogels is a past president of the Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier Club of America and now serves as the club's AKC delegate. She is secretary and show chair for the Evergreen Colorado Kennel Club.

One of America's leading writers on canine subjects, Mrs. Vogels is a winner of the Dog Writers Association of America's Maxwell Medallion for her akc gazette "Better Breeding" column. She sits on the boards of the AKC Canine Health Foundation and Take the Lead, and feels that "both these organizations are fundamental to the well-being of the sport."

Mrs. Vogels raises and shows champion Morgan horses. AKC</blockquote>
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<h2>Cindy Vogels: Soft Coated Wheaten Terriers, Westminster BIS Judge, Take the Lead and AKC Canine Health Foundation Treasurer</h2>
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 	<li>Cindy Vogels and her mother, Jackie Gottlieb, have bred over 100 Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier Champions.</li>
 	<li>Selected to judge Best in Show at Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show in 2012</li>
 	<li>Board Member of Take the Lead</li>
 	<li>Founding Member and Treasurer of AKC Canine Health Foundation</li>
 	<li>Past President of the Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier Club of America and helped breed from Miscellaneous to AKC Recognition</li>
</ul><br/>
<h2>Are You Impressed Yet?</h2>
Listen as Cindy Vogels tells of her journey with her beloved Soft Coated Wheaten Terriers and a special win with one of her veterans.

Listen to the beginnings of Take The Lead started during the time of the AIDS epidemic and the strides to ensure privacy.

Listen to how $40,ooo,000 has been granted in AKC Canine Health Foundation research and how your breed club can participate.

&nbsp;

<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Harry-MCKC-1994.jpg"></a>
<blockquote>Mrs. Cindy Vogels

Cindy Vogels, of Greenwood Village, Colorado, has bred more than 100 champion Soft Coated Wheaten Terriers, and champion Norfolk, Kerry Blue, and Welsh terriers, and Brittanys. These include Best in Show, specialty Best in Show, and group winners, and top producers, including the top terrier dam of all time.

Mrs. Vogels judges all terriers, all sporting breeds, Junior Showmanship, and Best in Show. Career judging highlights include Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier and Norfolk Terrier national specialties, and the Westminster Kennel Club Show.

Mrs. Vogels is a past president of the Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier Club of America and now serves as the club's AKC delegate. She is secretary and show chair for the Evergreen Colorado Kennel Club.

One of America's leading writers on canine subjects, Mrs. Vogels is a winner of the Dog Writers Association of America's Maxwell Medallion for her akc gazette "Better Breeding" column. She sits on the boards of the AKC Canine Health Foundation and Take the Lead, and feels that "both these organizations are fundamental to the well-being of the sport."

Mrs. Vogels raises and shows champion Morgan horses. AKC</blockquote>
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<h1>Cindy Vogels: Soft Coated Wheaten Terriers and Mother Daughter Bonds</h1>
Cindy Vogels, Part 2, continues with a discussion with Laura Reeves and the mother-daughter dog show bonds.
<h2>Mother Daughter</h2>
Cindy and her mother, Jackie Gottlieb, traveled, showed, bred and whelped dogs together.  Jackie only stopped showing the Soft Coated Wheaten Terriers at the young age of 89.

Nothing strengthens the bond like heading down I-70 for the Montgomery show, only to discover the hours long drive was in the WRONG DIRECTION.

Laura Reeves' bred Clumber Spaniels with her mother, and the whelping box time and passionate pedigree discussions left lasting memories.
<h2>Soft Coated Wheaten Terriers</h2>
Cindy and Jackies kennel prefix is Andover and Ch. Andover Song and Dance Man won group at the garden and still has unbroken records.

The Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier breeders are a good group of people,, who in 20 years brought the breed forward both to the public and to the breed standard.

One of 3 Irish barn dog breeds on the farm, with the Irish and Kerry Blue Terriers.  The Soft Coated is a terrier, tough enough that they had to take a badgers down.

Kidney Disease in the Terriers

Recently, kidney disease with a late onset has decimated the breed. While a test has recently been developed, there is still no DNA or genetic marker(s) for prevention.

Breeders are struggling to import and fight for the Soft Coated Wheaten Terriers diversity against the disease.

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<h1>Cindy Vogels: Soft Coated Wheaten Terriers and Mother Daughter Bonds</h1>
Cindy Vogels, Part 2, continues with a discussion with Laura Reeves and the mother-daughter dog show bonds.
<h2>Mother Daughter</h2>
Cindy and her mother, Jackie Gottlieb, traveled, showed, bred and whelped dogs together.  Jackie only stopped showing the Soft Coated Wheaten Terriers at the young age of 89.

Nothing strengthens the bond like heading down I-70 for the Montgomery show, only to discover the hours long drive was in the WRONG DIRECTION.

Laura Reeves' bred Clumber Spaniels with her mother, and the whelping box time and passionate pedigree discussions left lasting memories.
<h2>Soft Coated Wheaten Terriers</h2>
Cindy and Jackies kennel prefix is Andover and Ch. Andover Song and Dance Man won group at the garden and still has unbroken records.

The Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier breeders are a good group of people,, who in 20 years brought the breed forward both to the public and to the breed standard.

One of 3 Irish barn dog breeds on the farm, with the Irish and Kerry Blue Terriers.  The Soft Coated is a terrier, tough enough that they had to take a badgers down.

Kidney Disease in the Terriers

Recently, kidney disease with a late onset has decimated the breed. While a test has recently been developed, there is still no DNA or genetic marker(s) for prevention.

Breeders are struggling to import and fight for the Soft Coated Wheaten Terriers diversity against the disease.

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<h1>Saint Bernards of Lasqueti Island - Stoan Saint Bernards with <strong>Joan Zielinski
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Joan Zielinski, AKC Judge and Breeder of Merit, and Breeder of <a href="http://stoans.blogspot.com">Stoans Saint Bernards</a>, speaks with Laura Reeves about raising Saint Bernards.
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<h2>Saint Bernards from the Stoan Perspective by Stan Zielinski</h2>
Available through <a href="http://www.alpinepub.com/saint-bernards-from-the-stoan-perspective.html">Alpine Publications</a>, Stan Zielinski discusses Saint Bernard puppies, faults, temperament, movement, size, conformation, and just about every aspect of Saint structure.
<h2>Saint Bernards of Lasqueti Island</h2>
The Saint Bernards of Lasqueti Island, British Columbia, bred by Tikki Smith, are mentioned by Joan Zielinski, in her podcast, as she describes the famous Saint Bernards of Sanctuary Woods bred by the legendary Bea Knight. So we caught up with Tikki Smith and professional handler, Marty Glover, to talk about what makes these dogs unique.
<h3><strong>Pure Dog Talk:</strong></h3>
Provide some background of your introduction to the breed, why you chose Saint Bernards and what brought you to where you are today.
<h3>Saint Bernards Lasqueti Island - Tikki Smith:</h3>
I got my first St Bernard when I was 16 years old. I had no previous purebred dog experience. I just wanted a large dog and was interested in a Newfoundland or a St Bernard.

There happened to be a St Bernard breeder not to far from me so I went and visited the kennel and fell in love with the breed. I had never seen a Saint in the fur till then. I waited for over a year for a puppy and after no puppies because available I was offered a young female that was "show quality" and the breeder's said I could have her if I would co-own her, and raise and share a litter with them.

At that point I would have probably agreed to anything! She had a litter of 10 puppies and I kept two. Then 6 months later the breeders invited me and my two puppies along to the 1997 National Specialty Show held in Colorado. I went and was introduced to showing and the purebred world. I have never looked back since!!
<h3>PDT:</h3>
Give us an idea of the set up and daily life of your dogs.
<h3>Tikki:</h3>
Now, 20 years since my first litter of Saint puppies, I have my very own kennel to be proud of.

I generally keep around 35 Saints. I have 5 acres of rough terrain fenced for them to run and play in. They also have a 60ft x 20ft kennel building beside our house. The kennel has 7, 20ft x 8ft  fully covered runs each with indoor/outdoor area and self-water dishes. The Saints generally only use the kennel area for sleeping in or if I am out.

Their daily routine starts in the morning when I let everyone out and clean their runs. If anyone is in season they are of course left in the kennel but otherwise males and females and puppies 4+ month old run together while I am home. If I go out I will kennel up three quarters of them for safety while I am out. Then when I get home I let them out again.

At night I bring in 6 Saints per kennel in no particular order and they all eat together. I lock them in for the night to minimize nocturnal barking and also to keep them out of the rain at night especially in the winter months.

I have a separate puppy house and large fenced area for raising puppies up to 4 months of age after which point they join the group. The Saints have full view of our home and comings and goings of the family, yard and driveway. They are a part of the family and I often take them for walks in their huge fences in area. They love to follow me wherever I go!
<h3>PDT:</h3>
Your breeding, whelping and rearing protocols are both ancient and revolutionary in today’s world. Can you describe the process, methods, goals and results?
<h3>Tikki:</h3>
A bit about rearing. Because of my rural location, with a 1 hour ferry crossing only available 5 days a week with a limited number of crossing  (2 or 3 a day when weather is permitting), I have had to (with the help of my vet) learn how to take care of most emergency situations the best I can.

This also means I do not take great measures to get my bitches pregnant. If they can't conceive naturally then she just doesn't have puppies. Also getting a c-section is difficult with our location so if a bitch needs a c-section then I do not breed that bitch again. I never schedule a c-section for singletons which have a high risk for being stillborns. It's hard loosing puppies, but I remind myself that too much intervention can eventually lead to a breed who needs help in what should be a natural process.

Once the puppies are born I do everything I can to save all the puppies. Most important  for newborns is to keep them warm and dry and well fed and make sure Mum doesn't accidentally sit on them. Since my Saints are raised in a group environment, they often come in season at the same time which leads to litters being born around the same time. When this happens my bitches share each others’ litters.

I sleep right beside my new moms and litters and let them do as much of the natural mothering instincts as possible. I offer supplemental feedings and rotate puppies if it's a large litter but I always work closely with each mother so she can raise her litter successfully.

I breed litters for myself which means I am breeding to keep a puppy or two from each litter to continue on in the next generation. My goal is to improve on each generation and as long as I see progress, I feel it was a success.
<h3>PDT:</h3>
Specifically can you talk about the relationship between the free ranging pack environment in which the dogs live and their structural health and longevity?
<h3>Tikki:</h3>
My Saints seem to benefit greatly from their natural environment and seem to be able to adjust quickly to new situations and environmental changes like going to a dog show. My Saints are raised with plenty of outdoor time in a very stimulating group environment which gives them a well rounded calm attitude. I spend lots of time   with them and take the lead roll so they all look up to me and respect their human for guidance and understanding. This seems to provide a strong  foundation for future bonding with other people or families. If I ever place one of my adult I am always amazed how quickly they  adjust to a completely different home environment with relative ease.

I have always raised my Saints in the same environment so it's hard form me to know exactly how they would development in a different environment. I have however seen very different expected outcomes from puppies I have bred but not raised. Sometimes the difference is so shocking it's unbelievable!

This has led me to believe that environment plays a HUGE roll in their ability to reach their full potential, physically and emotionally. For example here I never see cow-hocked puppies, ever! I do see it though in puppies I have bred but not raised especially if those  puppy's are raised as couch potatoes living inside with non or hardly any  outdoor time.

If puppies are fed puppy food this also seems to add to the issue. I always feed my puppies adult food from day one. I strongly believe Saint Bernard puppies should spend as much time as possible outside on good solid footing with plenty of exercise for the first year of their life to see them reach their full potential.
<h3>PDT:</h3>
Your thoughts on line breeding vs outcrossing?
<h3>Tikki:</h3>
I have never bred to a complete outcross. If I am going to work with an outcross, I prefer the dog to at most to be a half or better a quarter outcross himself. I prefer to stick with the bloodlines I am familiar with and believe line breeding is the only way to build a bloodline that can reproduce itself consistently. My goal for each litter is to improve on each generation. My goal for my breeding program is to create a strong foundation of healthy, sound, good moving dogs with excellent temperaments in a bloodline not just in one individual dog. I wanted to create a strong foundation behind my dogs, not just the next big winner. Basically I wanted a great dog with a pedigree!!! This meant I had to spend 4 or 5 generation just building up a strong pedigree and avoiding out crossing here or there or breeding to the next big winner in hopes of just getting one outstanding puppy.
<h3>PDT:</h3>
Marty, as a handler, what unique attributes (temperament, physical soundness, etc) do the Lasquite dogs bring you vs dogs bred/whelped/raised in a more “traditional” modern environment.
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<h1>Saint Bernards of Lasqueti Island - Stoan Saint Bernards with <strong>Joan Zielinski
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Joan Zielinski, AKC Judge and Breeder of Merit, and Breeder of <a href="http://stoans.blogspot.com">Stoans Saint Bernards</a>, speaks with Laura Reeves about raising Saint Bernards.
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<h2>Saint Bernards from the Stoan Perspective by Stan Zielinski</h2>
Available through <a href="http://www.alpinepub.com/saint-bernards-from-the-stoan-perspective.html">Alpine Publications</a>, Stan Zielinski discusses Saint Bernard puppies, faults, temperament, movement, size, conformation, and just about every aspect of Saint structure.
<h2>Saint Bernards of Lasqueti Island</h2>
The Saint Bernards of Lasqueti Island, British Columbia, bred by Tikki Smith, are mentioned by Joan Zielinski, in her podcast, as she describes the famous Saint Bernards of Sanctuary Woods bred by the legendary Bea Knight. So we caught up with Tikki Smith and professional handler, Marty Glover, to talk about what makes these dogs unique.
<h3><strong>Pure Dog Talk:</strong></h3>
Provide some background of your introduction to the breed, why you chose Saint Bernards and what brought you to where you are today.
<h3>Saint Bernards Lasqueti Island - Tikki Smith:</h3>
I got my first St Bernard when I was 16 years old. I had no previous purebred dog experience. I just wanted a large dog and was interested in a Newfoundland or a St Bernard.

There happened to be a St Bernard breeder not to far from me so I went and visited the kennel and fell in love with the breed. I had never seen a Saint in the fur till then. I waited for over a year for a puppy and after no puppies because available I was offered a young female that was "show quality" and the breeder's said I could have her if I would co-own her, and raise and share a litter with them.

At that point I would have probably agreed to anything! She had a litter of 10 puppies and I kept two. Then 6 months later the breeders invited me and my two puppies along to the 1997 National Specialty Show held in Colorado. I went and was introduced to showing and the purebred world. I have never looked back since!!
<h3>PDT:</h3>
Give us an idea of the set up and daily life of your dogs.
<h3>Tikki:</h3>
Now, 20 years since my first litter of Saint puppies, I have my very own kennel to be proud of.

I generally keep around 35 Saints. I have 5 acres of rough terrain fenced for them to run and play in. They also have a 60ft x 20ft kennel building beside our house. The kennel has 7, 20ft x 8ft  fully covered runs each with indoor/outdoor area and self-water dishes. The Saints generally only use the kennel area for sleeping in or if I am out.

Their daily routine starts in the morning when I let everyone out and clean their runs. If anyone is in season they are of course left in the kennel but otherwise males and females and puppies 4+ month old run together while I am home. If I go out I will kennel up three quarters of them for safety while I am out. Then when I get home I let them out again.

At night I bring in 6 Saints per kennel in no particular order and they all eat together. I lock them in for the night to minimize nocturnal barking and also to keep them out of the rain at night especially in the winter months.

I have a separate puppy house and large fenced area for raising puppies up to 4 months of age after which point they join the group. The Saints have full view of our home and comings and goings of the family, yard and driveway. They are a part of the family and I often take them for walks in their huge fences in area. They love to follow me wherever I go!
<h3>PDT:</h3>
Your breeding, whelping and rearing protocols are both ancient and revolutionary in today’s world. Can you describe the process, methods, goals and results?
<h3>Tikki:</h3>
A bit about rearing. Because of my rural location, with a 1 hour ferry crossing only available 5 days a week with a limited number of crossing  (2 or 3 a day when weather is permitting), I have had to (with the help of my vet) learn how to take care of most emergency situations the best I can.

This also means I do not take great measures to get my bitches pregnant. If they can't conceive naturally then she just doesn't have puppies. Also getting a c-section is difficult with our location so if a bitch needs a c-section then I do not breed that bitch again. I never schedule a c-section for singletons which have a high risk for being stillborns. It's hard loosing puppies, but I remind myself that too much intervention can eventually lead to a breed who needs help in what should be a natural process.

Once the puppies are born I do everything I can to save all the puppies. Most important  for newborns is to keep them warm and dry and well fed and make sure Mum doesn't accidentally sit on them. Since my Saints are raised in a group environment, they often come in season at the same time which leads to litters being born around the same time. When this happens my bitches share each others’ litters.

I sleep right beside my new moms and litters and let them do as much of the natural mothering instincts as possible. I offer supplemental feedings and rotate puppies if it's a large litter but I always work closely with each mother so she can raise her litter successfully.

I breed litters for myself which means I am breeding to keep a puppy or two from each litter to continue on in the next generation. My goal is to improve on each generation and as long as I see progress, I feel it was a success.
<h3>PDT:</h3>
Specifically can you talk about the relationship between the free ranging pack environment in which the dogs live and their structural health and longevity?
<h3>Tikki:</h3>
My Saints seem to benefit greatly from their natural environment and seem to be able to adjust quickly to new situations and environmental changes like going to a dog show. My Saints are raised with plenty of outdoor time in a very stimulating group environment which gives them a well rounded calm attitude. I spend lots of time   with them and take the lead roll so they all look up to me and respect their human for guidance and understanding. This seems to provide a strong  foundation for future bonding with other people or families. If I ever place one of my adult I am always amazed how quickly they  adjust to a completely different home environment with relative ease.

I have always raised my Saints in the same environment so it's hard form me to know exactly how they would development in a different environment. I have however seen very different expected outcomes from puppies I have bred but not raised. Sometimes the difference is so shocking it's unbelievable!

This has led me to believe that environment plays a HUGE roll in their ability to reach their full potential, physically and emotionally. For example here I never see cow-hocked puppies, ever! I do see it though in puppies I have bred but not raised especially if those  puppy's are raised as couch potatoes living inside with non or hardly any  outdoor time.

If puppies are fed puppy food this also seems to add to the issue. I always feed my puppies adult food from day one. I strongly believe Saint Bernard puppies should spend as much time as possible outside on good solid footing with plenty of exercise for the first year of their life to see them reach their full potential.
<h3>PDT:</h3>
Your thoughts on line breeding vs outcrossing?
<h3>Tikki:</h3>
I have never bred to a complete outcross. If I am going to work with an outcross, I prefer the dog to at most to be a half or better a quarter outcross himself. I prefer to stick with the bloodlines I am familiar with and believe line breeding is the only way to build a bloodline that can reproduce itself consistently. My goal for each litter is to improve on each generation. My goal for my breeding program is to create a strong foundation of healthy, sound, good moving dogs with excellent temperaments in a bloodline not just in one individual dog. I wanted to create a strong foundation behind my dogs, not just the next big winner. Basically I wanted a great dog with a pedigree!!! This meant I had to spend 4 or 5 generation just building up a strong pedigree and avoiding out crossing here or there or breeding to the next big winner in hopes of just getting one outstanding puppy.
<h3>PDT:</h3>
Marty, as a handler, what unique attributes (temperament, physical soundness, etc) do the Lasquite dogs bring you vs dogs bred/whelped/raised in a more “traditional” modern environment.
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<h3>Marty Glover - Professional Handler:</h3>
Tikki and I usually bring older dogs, 2-5 years old, off the island and show. The outside environment that the island provides gives the saints every thing they need to grow up sound and correct in muscle and conditioning. A Saint Bernard should be athletic and well built. The terrain on the island provides that. I've never seen a hocky or out of condition Saint on the island. As a saint puppy grows, the island life of woods, massive rocks and romping through forests are key in developing a big, sturdy working dog. This enables them, as adults, to perform the functions of their breed.
<h3>PDT:</h3>
Can you compare the Lasquite dogs in development to those of the legendary Bea Knight of Sanctuary Woods fame?
<h3>Marty:</h3>
Sanctuary woods was before my time in this wonderful breed. I have gone through countless pictures and even some videos of the kennel. Big kennels don't really exist today. Lasquite and Sanctuary Woods are very similar in the fact of surroundings and breeding from your gene pool. You can look at any Sanctuary Woods pictures and Lasquite and you defiantly recognize "the look.” I often call it free range lol. I think it's best the dogs all live in harmony and get along. After all, that's the true temperament of what a Saint Bernard should be .
<h3>PDT:</h3>
What recommendations would you offer other breeders of giant breeds who aren’t blessed with the unique environment provided by Lasquite Island. Not all of us have an island preserve at our disposal! lol What lessons can we apply in other settings?
<h3>Marty:</h3>
I strongly urge anyone with Saint puppies, that the outdoor environment is best. Raising a big working dog like a Saint in the house, on slick floors is the worst thing you can do.

I'm a firm believer all puppies and young adults are outside. Also, we need to let our puppies be part of the gang and hang with adults and other puppies. When raised with a group they discover their pecking order and where they fit.

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<h2>Gretchen Schultz aka the "Queen of Slobber"</h2>
For a woman of such tremendously strong opinion and personality, it is remarkably difficult to find much public information about Gretchen Schultz.

I hope you guys enjoy hearing from one of my great idols and, at least distantly, mentors.

I always was slightly terrified of Gretchen even from across the Expo Center in Portland, but she was my original “stalking” victim! I watched *everything* she did. Short of growing a “rat tail,” as they were called in the day, I wanted to be JUST like Gretchen when I “grew up.”
<h2>2nd Generation - Daughter of Professional Handlers</h2>
The daughter of very famous professional handler parents, Gretchen’s father, Walt Shellenbarger, went on to judge.  He scared the bejeezus out of me the few times I was in his ring!  Her mother, Jo, handled the famous Traveler, Ch. Gretchenhof Columbia River to Best in Show at Westminster Kennel Club in 1974.

Jo also showed Clumber Spaniels for the one and only Bets Young of Cypress Woods kennels.  My parents were very involved in the early 1980s with convincing the powers that be in the Clumber Spaniel Club of America (primarily Bets) that field work should be included in the national events. I have very vivid memories of Jo, toward the end of her career, convincing my 15 year old brother to dance with her at a social event in Bets’ home.
<h2>Gretchen and German Shorthaired Pointers</h2>
Gretchen grew up with 50 German Shorthaired Pointers, but started her junior showmanship career with an English Cocker Spaniel, because the German Shorthairs were too big for her.  She credits her mother with teaching her about breeding dogs and her dedication to her parents’ memories is obvious.

Despite an attempt to break away from the allure of the dog show world, traveling the world and some wild adventures, Gretchen couldn’t stay gone for long. Her passion for the sport runs deep and wide.
<h2>How did Gretchen get the nickname Queen of Slobber?</h2>
Married for many years to Bruce Schultz, they were a powerful handling team. Gretchen became known as the “queen of slobber” for her most consistent clientele… Bloodhounds and Mastiffs. Gretchen handled the Bloodhound bitch, Ch. Ridge Runner Unforgettable, to the record as the top-winning Bloodhound of all time. Just before Westminster 2001, Gretchen had knee surgery, so Bruce showed ‘Fanny’ to her big Group First win.
<h2>Fundraiser for American Cancer Society's Relay for Life</h2>
As a multiple cancer survivor, literally given months to live more than once, Gretchen has become a major fundraiser in the American Cancer Society’s Relay for Life. She remarried in 2013. She and her husband Phil Lawrence are avid golfers.

Gretchen is, if nothing else, forthright in her opinion… She expresses frustration with the judges’ approval process at the AKC and describes the “old days” and a system by which judges “sank or swam” based on their ability to draw an entry and their popularity with clubs and exhibitors. She currently judges 13 breeds along with junior showmanship.
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<h2>Gretchen Schultz PHA Hall of Fame Inductee</h2>
<blockquote>The PHA is pleased to announce establishment of the Hall of Fame intending to recognize current and past members whose individual effort over the years have made immeasurable contributions to the Association, the dog handling profession, and the sport of showing purebred dogs.

Their unselfish work, guidance, and leadership have permitted the PHA to evolve into a strong, vibrant, and honorable organization that proudly represents the interest of professional dog handlers.  Without their lifelong involvement and dedication the Association, nor the fancy, would be the showcase it is today for the exhibiting of purebred dogs.</blockquote>
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<h2>Gretchen Schultz aka the "Queen of Slobber"</h2>
For a woman of such tremendously strong opinion and personality, it is remarkably difficult to find much public information about Gretchen Schultz.

I hope you guys enjoy hearing from one of my great idols and, at least distantly, mentors.

I always was slightly terrified of Gretchen even from across the Expo Center in Portland, but she was my original “stalking” victim! I watched *everything* she did. Short of growing a “rat tail,” as they were called in the day, I wanted to be JUST like Gretchen when I “grew up.”
<h2>2nd Generation - Daughter of Professional Handlers</h2>
The daughter of very famous professional handler parents, Gretchen’s father, Walt Shellenbarger, went on to judge.  He scared the bejeezus out of me the few times I was in his ring!  Her mother, Jo, handled the famous Traveler, Ch. Gretchenhof Columbia River to Best in Show at Westminster Kennel Club in 1974.

Jo also showed Clumber Spaniels for the one and only Bets Young of Cypress Woods kennels.  My parents were very involved in the early 1980s with convincing the powers that be in the Clumber Spaniel Club of America (primarily Bets) that field work should be included in the national events. I have very vivid memories of Jo, toward the end of her career, convincing my 15 year old brother to dance with her at a social event in Bets’ home.
<h2>Gretchen and German Shorthaired Pointers</h2>
Gretchen grew up with 50 German Shorthaired Pointers, but started her junior showmanship career with an English Cocker Spaniel, because the German Shorthairs were too big for her.  She credits her mother with teaching her about breeding dogs and her dedication to her parents’ memories is obvious.

Despite an attempt to break away from the allure of the dog show world, traveling the world and some wild adventures, Gretchen couldn’t stay gone for long. Her passion for the sport runs deep and wide.
<h2>How did Gretchen get the nickname Queen of Slobber?</h2>
Married for many years to Bruce Schultz, they were a powerful handling team. Gretchen became known as the “queen of slobber” for her most consistent clientele… Bloodhounds and Mastiffs. Gretchen handled the Bloodhound bitch, Ch. Ridge Runner Unforgettable, to the record as the top-winning Bloodhound of all time. Just before Westminster 2001, Gretchen had knee surgery, so Bruce showed ‘Fanny’ to her big Group First win.
<h2>Fundraiser for American Cancer Society's Relay for Life</h2>
As a multiple cancer survivor, literally given months to live more than once, Gretchen has become a major fundraiser in the American Cancer Society’s Relay for Life. She remarried in 2013. She and her husband Phil Lawrence are avid golfers.

Gretchen is, if nothing else, forthright in her opinion… She expresses frustration with the judges’ approval process at the AKC and describes the “old days” and a system by which judges “sank or swam” based on their ability to draw an entry and their popularity with clubs and exhibitors. She currently judges 13 breeds along with junior showmanship.
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<h2>Gretchen Schultz PHA Hall of Fame Inductee</h2>
<blockquote>The PHA is pleased to announce establishment of the Hall of Fame intending to recognize current and past members whose individual effort over the years have made immeasurable contributions to the Association, the dog handling profession, and the sport of showing purebred dogs.

Their unselfish work, guidance, and leadership have permitted the PHA to evolve into a strong, vibrant, and honorable organization that proudly represents the interest of professional dog handlers.  Without their lifelong involvement and dedication the Association, nor the fancy, would be the showcase it is today for the exhibiting of purebred dogs.</blockquote>
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<h2>AKC Judge Desi Murphy - 3rd Generation in Dogs</h2>
Desi Murphy was born into the sport of dogs.  His grandfather managed kennels in Scotland, his father managed a whippet and greyhound kennel in the U.S.

While surrounded in his youth with 125 sighthounds, Desi's found a love of terriers, bully breeds and Chows.
<blockquote>Bullies are different...</blockquote>
Desi, now a legend in the sport, is licensed to judge the sporting, terrier, and toy groups.
<h2>Santa Barbara Breeder Showcase</h2>
<strong>Desi Murphy</strong>  is co-chair for Breeder Showcase at Santa Barbara Kennel Club, and event in it's ninth year.

Now an in-demand event, the Breeder Showcase is extremely competitive.  Dogs are often brought out of retirement for the competition or young dogs held out just for their debut.

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A perk for the exhibitors is dinner and wine at the event.
<h2>Desmond Murphy - The AKC Judge</h2>
Laura Reeves asks Desi what he first looks for in the breed ring.
<blockquote>Evaluate breeding stock...What was the dog bred to do?</blockquote>
For example, the three setters work in different terrains, so their structure must meet their function.  In bicycles, you have a mountain bike, road bike and beach cruiser - each are built to work in different terrains.

Some breeds are getting carried away, and showiest is not always the best.  Basset Hounds in Mexico, for example, are getting too big.  Remember, if a Basset Hound meets a fence on the trail, the hunter has to pick him up and place him on the other side of the fence.  You can't lift an 80 lb basset.
<blockquote>Condition is second...</blockquote>
Dogs need to be fit and in good health and condition.
<blockquote>Movement is a test of structure</blockquote>
The structure standing should be seen and confirmed in a dog moving.
<h2>Advice to Exhibitors</h2>
Have the best dog.  Often exhibitors ask what they can do to win with a dog... have the best dog.  Ask other breeders and professionals to evaluate your dog against the breed standard.  Know your standard.
<h2>Future of the Dog Sport?</h2>
As an international judge, Desi see younger exhibitors, and younger breeders in other countries than the U.S.
<blockquote>Russia is strong in most breeds, and Korea and China are close behind</blockquote>
Some handlers started showing at eight years of age, and have bred multiple litters by the time they are 21.  We need youth willing to be breeders.
<h2>AKC Biography of Desmond Murphy</h2>
<blockquote><strong>Desmond Murphy,</strong> of Monroe, New York, is a third-generation dog man¿his grandfather, father, and two uncles all having been handlers. Born in Scotland, he was reared among Greyhounds, Whippets, and terriers at his family's Mardormere Kennels in upstate New York.

He began handling in 1958, working under his uncle John Murphy, a distinguished handler and judge. Mr. Murphy, known as Desi, points to his handling of seven different Best in Show Chow Chows as his proudest achievement.

Mr. Murphy has been an AKC judge since 1976 and is approved to judge 93 breeds. He last judged at the AKC/Eukanuba National Championship in 2003.

Mr. Murphy is a member of the Tuxedo Park Kennel Club, the Santa Barbara Kennel Club, and the Saw Mill River Kennel Club, and is treasurer of the Non-Sporting Group Club of the Garden State. He considers "learning the value of preserving breed type" to be the most valuable lesson he has learned in dogs.</blockquote>
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<h1>Allison Foley's Tip of the Week:</h1>
<h2>How to Use Bath Products Properly</h2>
Shampoos and Conditioners need to be used properly to achieve results.  The best scissors, training and handling can't compensate for poor cleanliness or coat condition.

Listen to <a href="https://puredogtalk.com/how-to-properly-bathe-dry-dog-laura-reeves/">Episode # 107 How To Properly Bathe Your Dog</a> for more on how to bathe properly.
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 	<li>Use your shampoo according to the directions. It's formulated for a reason so measure it out!</li>
 	<li>Leave the product on the dog long enough to work. 5 minutes for shampoo and 7-10 minutes for color or deep conditioner.</li>
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<h2>Allison's Conditioner Trick</h2>
Conditioners don't mix well with water.  Use a cheap immersion blender to mix thoroughly and smooth out all the globs.

<strong>More tips and courses are available at <a href="http://leadingedge-dog-show-academy.teachable.com/?affcode=125696_roowu4ey">Leading Edge Dog Show Academy</a>.</strong>

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<h2>AKC Judge Desi Murphy - 3rd Generation in Dogs</h2>
Desi Murphy was born into the sport of dogs.  His grandfather managed kennels in Scotland, his father managed a whippet and greyhound kennel in the U.S.

While surrounded in his youth with 125 sighthounds, Desi's found a love of terriers, bully breeds and Chows.
<blockquote>Bullies are different...</blockquote>
Desi, now a legend in the sport, is licensed to judge the sporting, terrier, and toy groups.
<h2>Santa Barbara Breeder Showcase</h2>
<strong>Desi Murphy</strong>  is co-chair for Breeder Showcase at Santa Barbara Kennel Club, and event in it's ninth year.

Now an in-demand event, the Breeder Showcase is extremely competitive.  Dogs are often brought out of retirement for the competition or young dogs held out just for their debut.

&nbsp;

A perk for the exhibitors is dinner and wine at the event.
<h2>Desmond Murphy - The AKC Judge</h2>
Laura Reeves asks Desi what he first looks for in the breed ring.
<blockquote>Evaluate breeding stock...What was the dog bred to do?</blockquote>
For example, the three setters work in different terrains, so their structure must meet their function.  In bicycles, you have a mountain bike, road bike and beach cruiser - each are built to work in different terrains.

Some breeds are getting carried away, and showiest is not always the best.  Basset Hounds in Mexico, for example, are getting too big.  Remember, if a Basset Hound meets a fence on the trail, the hunter has to pick him up and place him on the other side of the fence.  You can't lift an 80 lb basset.
<blockquote>Condition is second...</blockquote>
Dogs need to be fit and in good health and condition.
<blockquote>Movement is a test of structure</blockquote>
The structure standing should be seen and confirmed in a dog moving.
<h2>Advice to Exhibitors</h2>
Have the best dog.  Often exhibitors ask what they can do to win with a dog... have the best dog.  Ask other breeders and professionals to evaluate your dog against the breed standard.  Know your standard.
<h2>Future of the Dog Sport?</h2>
As an international judge, Desi see younger exhibitors, and younger breeders in other countries than the U.S.
<blockquote>Russia is strong in most breeds, and Korea and China are close behind</blockquote>
Some handlers started showing at eight years of age, and have bred multiple litters by the time they are 21.  We need youth willing to be breeders.
<h2>AKC Biography of Desmond Murphy</h2>
<blockquote><strong>Desmond Murphy,</strong> of Monroe, New York, is a third-generation dog man¿his grandfather, father, and two uncles all having been handlers. Born in Scotland, he was reared among Greyhounds, Whippets, and terriers at his family's Mardormere Kennels in upstate New York.

He began handling in 1958, working under his uncle John Murphy, a distinguished handler and judge. Mr. Murphy, known as Desi, points to his handling of seven different Best in Show Chow Chows as his proudest achievement.

Mr. Murphy has been an AKC judge since 1976 and is approved to judge 93 breeds. He last judged at the AKC/Eukanuba National Championship in 2003.

Mr. Murphy is a member of the Tuxedo Park Kennel Club, the Santa Barbara Kennel Club, and the Saw Mill River Kennel Club, and is treasurer of the Non-Sporting Group Club of the Garden State. He considers "learning the value of preserving breed type" to be the most valuable lesson he has learned in dogs.</blockquote>
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<h1>Allison Foley's Tip of the Week:</h1>
<h2>How to Use Bath Products Properly</h2>
Shampoos and Conditioners need to be used properly to achieve results.  The best scissors, training and handling can't compensate for poor cleanliness or coat condition.

Listen to <a href="https://puredogtalk.com/how-to-properly-bathe-dry-dog-laura-reeves/">Episode # 107 How To Properly Bathe Your Dog</a> for more on how to bathe properly.
<ol>
 	<li>Use your shampoo according to the directions. It's formulated for a reason so measure it out!</li>
 	<li>Leave the product on the dog long enough to work. 5 minutes for shampoo and 7-10 minutes for color or deep conditioner.</li>
</ol><br/>
<h2>Allison's Conditioner Trick</h2>
Conditioners don't mix well with water.  Use a cheap immersion blender to mix thoroughly and smooth out all the globs.

<strong>More tips and courses are available at <a href="http://leadingedge-dog-show-academy.teachable.com/?affcode=125696_roowu4ey">Leading Edge Dog Show Academy</a>.</strong>

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<h2>Jim Reynolds: Legendary Dog Man and Gentle Giant</h2>
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Jim Reynolds judged his first assignment the year before I was born. Over the last 50 years, he estimates he’s had his hands on 40,000 dogs, give or take, all around the globe. That is a whole lot of knowledge wrapped up in one package. A tall man with a booming voice, Reynolds has a gentle hand with the dogs. He is, in a word, a legend.

Reynolds harks back to the days of livestock showmanship. Indeed, his first win that landed him on the front page of the newspaper, at just 10 years of age, was with a sheep. He allows as how he was hooked from that point forward.
<h2>Jim Reynolds Roots</h2>
Every year of his childhood, Reynolds’ Christmas request was simple “something alive.” His father accommodated his desire when the Canadian native was 14 years old with a Boston Terrier. A few years later, in college, Reynolds acquired his first Scottish Terrier. Many years as a breeder, owner, handler, self taught in trimming this challenging breed, gave Reynolds a tremendous background in the sport.
<h2>Top Breeder Mentors</h2>
He credits some amazing mentors in his youth. Among them, Betty Hyslop, of Cairndania Cairn Terrier fame, and Scottish Terrier breeder and all-breeds judge Adelaide Riggs. Although Riggs passed away in 1999, for perspective and continuity, Riggs’ daughter, Ellen Charles, is the owner of one of this year’s top dogs all-breeds, the Puli, GCH Cordmaker Mister Blue Sky.
<h2>AKC Judge</h2>
Among his favorite judging assignments are BIS at Montgomery County Kennel Club, the haven of terrier lovers everywhere, and BIS at Westminster Kennel Club. He describes his 2006 winner, the Colored Bull Terrier, Rufus, Ch. Rocky Top's Sundance Kid, as having “star quality.”
<blockquote>The great ones,” Reynolds said, “have that presence, like actors… That dog (Rufus) was so turned on that night, at the peak of condition and performance, he told me ‘You have to pick me.’ That’s what he communicated to me.</blockquote>
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<blockquote>The great dogs have great type, they have a style to them, a desire to be there,” Reynolds added. “A desire to be seen, to interact with me as a judge. I’m a fool for a dog that will interact with me. You see, for those two and a half minutes, that’s MY dog. I love that.”</blockquote>
<h2>Love of Dogs</h2>
It is clearly obvious, in even a brief conversation, that Reynolds does, indeed, love dogs. In addition to his years with Scotties, he has a long time love affair with Irish Wolfhounds, who grace his home. Not as show dogs or breeding dogs, but simply as companions.
<h2>Words of Wisdom from Jim Reynolds</h2>
Jim Reynold's great lament is that too many people in too many breeds are not doing their research, studying the history of the breed to know how the genotype is affecting the phenotype of the dogs they see today. His precise and intelligent review of the Scottish Terrier breed in North America, tracing the two most recent Westminster Kennel Club BIS winning bitches back, based on style, to two prepotent sires imported from England in the 1930s and ‘40s is an entire university series in a five minute monologue. Listen to our talk on the podcast for this incredible history lesson on type and style.

Reynolds attributes the many legendary dog show judges, handlers and breeders who hail from the terrier breeds to the abundance of variety within the group, the sheer dedication required to successfully compete with a broken coated terrier and, to a degree, the sharp, competitive spirit of the people who, in some ways, come to resemble their dogs.
<blockquote>Toplines are a huge piece of it,” Reynolds said. You have a Bedlington, a Dandie, a Scottie and an Airedale in the group ring… Now what? You’d better know what you’re looking at. Terrier people are notoriously unforgiving.”</blockquote>
<h2>Encouragement to Owner Handlers</h2>
He also strongly encouraged owner handlers, even in the famously professionally dominated terrier group. Do the work, he said, put in the time. Present the dog more effectively and make sure there isn’t a bad moment.
<blockquote>Owner handlers stand a really good chance if they just do the job,” Reynolds said. “I always wanted to do it all myself. I got no enjoyment from those wins (when I had to hire a handler).”</blockquote>
Today’s mentors, Reynolds noted, need to remember to give young people opportunities with an exceptional dog.
<blockquote>You have got to be able to be successful to want to keep doing something,” he concluded.</blockquote>
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<h2>Biography of Jim Reynolds</h2>
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<td width="468"><strong>James G. Reynolds</strong>, of Nepean, Ontario, has been involved in the sport of dogs since 1956. As a teenager, he was a breeder-exhibitor of Boston Terriers but soon moved to Scottish Terriers. His Renaldo Kennel housed five Canadian Best in Show winners and produced more than thirty Canadian champions and fifteen AKC champions. He has also shown Cairn Terriers and English Cocker Spaniels, and his housedogs have included Irish Wolfhounds, a Great Dane, and an Irish Setter.

A dog show judge since 1967, Mr. Reynolds is approved for all breeds by the AKC and the Canadian Kennel Club. He has officiated at many of the biggest and most prestigious dog shows on five continents.

On the American show circuit, Mr. Reynolds has worked several Westminster assignments and is one of the few judges to twice preside over the Best in Show ring at Montgomery County. He has judged at several of America’s largest venues, including Santa Barbara, Louisville, Chicago, Detroit, Old Dominion, Houston, and the AKC/Eukanuba National Championship. In 2004, Mr. Reynolds was Best in Show judge at Ladies’ Kennel Association (England) show.

Mr. Reynolds is a retired superintendent of schools in a system of some 49,000 students. His wife, Marcia, is a retired secondary-school principal. They have three grown children.</td>
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<h2>Jim Reynolds: Legendary Dog Man and Gentle Giant</h2>
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Jim Reynolds judged his first assignment the year before I was born. Over the last 50 years, he estimates he’s had his hands on 40,000 dogs, give or take, all around the globe. That is a whole lot of knowledge wrapped up in one package. A tall man with a booming voice, Reynolds has a gentle hand with the dogs. He is, in a word, a legend.

Reynolds harks back to the days of livestock showmanship. Indeed, his first win that landed him on the front page of the newspaper, at just 10 years of age, was with a sheep. He allows as how he was hooked from that point forward.
<h2>Jim Reynolds Roots</h2>
Every year of his childhood, Reynolds’ Christmas request was simple “something alive.” His father accommodated his desire when the Canadian native was 14 years old with a Boston Terrier. A few years later, in college, Reynolds acquired his first Scottish Terrier. Many years as a breeder, owner, handler, self taught in trimming this challenging breed, gave Reynolds a tremendous background in the sport.
<h2>Top Breeder Mentors</h2>
He credits some amazing mentors in his youth. Among them, Betty Hyslop, of Cairndania Cairn Terrier fame, and Scottish Terrier breeder and all-breeds judge Adelaide Riggs. Although Riggs passed away in 1999, for perspective and continuity, Riggs’ daughter, Ellen Charles, is the owner of one of this year’s top dogs all-breeds, the Puli, GCH Cordmaker Mister Blue Sky.
<h2>AKC Judge</h2>
Among his favorite judging assignments are BIS at Montgomery County Kennel Club, the haven of terrier lovers everywhere, and BIS at Westminster Kennel Club. He describes his 2006 winner, the Colored Bull Terrier, Rufus, Ch. Rocky Top's Sundance Kid, as having “star quality.”
<blockquote>The great ones,” Reynolds said, “have that presence, like actors… That dog (Rufus) was so turned on that night, at the peak of condition and performance, he told me ‘You have to pick me.’ That’s what he communicated to me.</blockquote>
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<blockquote>The great dogs have great type, they have a style to them, a desire to be there,” Reynolds added. “A desire to be seen, to interact with me as a judge. I’m a fool for a dog that will interact with me. You see, for those two and a half minutes, that’s MY dog. I love that.”</blockquote>
<h2>Love of Dogs</h2>
It is clearly obvious, in even a brief conversation, that Reynolds does, indeed, love dogs. In addition to his years with Scotties, he has a long time love affair with Irish Wolfhounds, who grace his home. Not as show dogs or breeding dogs, but simply as companions.
<h2>Words of Wisdom from Jim Reynolds</h2>
Jim Reynold's great lament is that too many people in too many breeds are not doing their research, studying the history of the breed to know how the genotype is affecting the phenotype of the dogs they see today. His precise and intelligent review of the Scottish Terrier breed in North America, tracing the two most recent Westminster Kennel Club BIS winning bitches back, based on style, to two prepotent sires imported from England in the 1930s and ‘40s is an entire university series in a five minute monologue. Listen to our talk on the podcast for this incredible history lesson on type and style.

Reynolds attributes the many legendary dog show judges, handlers and breeders who hail from the terrier breeds to the abundance of variety within the group, the sheer dedication required to successfully compete with a broken coated terrier and, to a degree, the sharp, competitive spirit of the people who, in some ways, come to resemble their dogs.
<blockquote>Toplines are a huge piece of it,” Reynolds said. You have a Bedlington, a Dandie, a Scottie and an Airedale in the group ring… Now what? You’d better know what you’re looking at. Terrier people are notoriously unforgiving.”</blockquote>
<h2>Encouragement to Owner Handlers</h2>
He also strongly encouraged owner handlers, even in the famously professionally dominated terrier group. Do the work, he said, put in the time. Present the dog more effectively and make sure there isn’t a bad moment.
<blockquote>Owner handlers stand a really good chance if they just do the job,” Reynolds said. “I always wanted to do it all myself. I got no enjoyment from those wins (when I had to hire a handler).”</blockquote>
Today’s mentors, Reynolds noted, need to remember to give young people opportunities with an exceptional dog.
<blockquote>You have got to be able to be successful to want to keep doing something,” he concluded.</blockquote>
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<h2>Biography of Jim Reynolds</h2>
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<td width="468"><strong>James G. Reynolds</strong>, of Nepean, Ontario, has been involved in the sport of dogs since 1956. As a teenager, he was a breeder-exhibitor of Boston Terriers but soon moved to Scottish Terriers. His Renaldo Kennel housed five Canadian Best in Show winners and produced more than thirty Canadian champions and fifteen AKC champions. He has also shown Cairn Terriers and English Cocker Spaniels, and his housedogs have included Irish Wolfhounds, a Great Dane, and an Irish Setter.

A dog show judge since 1967, Mr. Reynolds is approved for all breeds by the AKC and the Canadian Kennel Club. He has officiated at many of the biggest and most prestigious dog shows on five continents.

On the American show circuit, Mr. Reynolds has worked several Westminster assignments and is one of the few judges to twice preside over the Best in Show ring at Montgomery County. He has judged at several of America’s largest venues, including Santa Barbara, Louisville, Chicago, Detroit, Old Dominion, Houston, and the AKC/Eukanuba National Championship. In 2004, Mr. Reynolds was Best in Show judge at Ladies’ Kennel Association (England) show.

Mr. Reynolds is a retired superintendent of schools in a system of some 49,000 students. His wife, Marcia, is a retired secondary-school principal. They have three grown children.</td>
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<h1 class="Body">Sue Huebner and Cordmaker Pulik</h1>
<p class="Body">Sue Huebner is the legendary breeder of <span class="Hyperlink0"><a href="https://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/member.asp?name=CORDMAKER">Cordmaker</a></span> Pulik, including <span class="Hyperlink0"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/Preston-The-Puli-Cordmaker-Mister-Blue-Sky-1493794480908365/">Preston</a></span>, the winner of the <span class="Hyperlink0"><a href="http://www.akc.org/press-center/press-releases/puli-preston-wins-best-in-show-akc-national-championship-by-royal-canin/">2016 AKC National Championship</a></span>.</p>
<p class="Body">In 1978, <strong>Sue Huebner</strong> and her husband were looking for a family dog. They researched carefully and chose the Puli, acquiring their first dog from a litter near their home in Melbourne, Australia. Little did the Huebners know that they had never seen a fully coated Puli until after they acquired their new puppy.</p>
<p class="Body">Huebner laughs about that now, noting all of the ways people have to research their new dog these days.</p>

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<p class="Body">“There is no excuse for ignorance (today),” Huebner observed. “Accessing information, pictures, videos of dogs working is easy. I’m still growing in understanding the breed standard 40 years later. I love the research."</p>
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<p class="Body">The surprise of a corded dog coated to the ground notwithstanding, the Huebners stuck with the breed, attending obedience classes and competition. Her first conformation competition was sparked when an acquaintance told her that first dog would not be “good enough” to show.</p>
<p class="Body">“He wasn’t a great show dog,” Huebner said. “But he finished his championship. He was a good learning dog for me.”</p>
<p class="Body">Shortly thereafter, she bought two more Pulik, keeping the better of the two after “running them on” in order to make a decision after they had matured. That dog “didn’t have what I consider a good temperament. Because he was difficult, I had to learn. I didn’t breed from him. It’s why temperament became paramount for me,” Huebner said.</p>

<h2 class="Body">Temperament is Job #1</h2>
<p class="Body">She strongly believes a dog’s temperament is the result of both nature and nurture.</p>
<p class="Body">“As a breeder you need to keep certain key things in your mind. It may not be the most beautiful dog you have. But if you have a very clear goal, temperament must always come first. Then as time goes on, I believe, you are now genetically breeding temperament.”</p>
<p class="Body">Huebner also encourages new breeders to understand that family homes are a critical part of a breeding program. “Not because they are necessarily going to breed those animals. You need companion homes. If you produce five puppies in a litter and only one suits the goal you set at the time, there are four others there (who need homes).”</p>
<p class="Body">Preservation breeding is a primary focus for Huebner. She calls it a “focus we desperately need to have.”</p>
<p class="Body">But she describes a “tension” between preserving the “historically correct temperament” which in some breeds is going to be very different than the societal pressure to have dogs which are all “like Golden Retrievers.”</p>
<p class="Body">“Does preservation breeding include temperament when temperament seriously impacted on the purpose of a breed. Or do we have to take account of the fact that our dogs go into family homes (that may not be suited to that temperament),” Huebner asked rhetorically.</p>
<p class="Body">Huebner’s advice for breeders whose breed’s historically correct temperament may or may not fit into today’s society?</p>

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<p class="Body">“I do think the first step is awareness (of the breed’s correct temperament),” Huebner said. “Understand it. Experience it. We have a strategy in place, particularly with dogs going into companion homes. The amount of time we spend educating them before they get the dog is significant. We try to help them understand they’ve bought his temperament, because that’s what you have to live with. And we have life long involvement with our companion families.”</p>
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<p class="Body">Successful assessment and selection of puppies, in terms of which dogs go to which homes, Huebner suggested, should be a clear process of really watching them as they develop.</p>
<p class="Body">“I want you to sit and I want you to watch,” Huebner said. “I want you to do what we ask judges to do. Develop an eye. So that when you’re looking at those puppies and your eye keeps going to one puppy,” one understands it is a combination of temperament and structure that makes the picture.</p>
<p class="Body">“All of those puppies are perfect for something,” Huebner noted. “It’s only the purpose that makes them imperfect. Our purpose is to breed a dog with the genetics we want to produce a beautiful dog that will enhance or further the breed. Every one of those little puppies is perfect for something.”</p>

<h2>Developing an "Eye"</h2>
<p class="Body">Creating an identifiable family of dogs goes back to developing an eye, Hubner observed.</p>
<p class="Body">“You need to research and intimately understand the breed,” she said. “It’s not just the simplistic understanding of a breed standard.”</p>
<p class="Body">Getting started with her breeding program after owning a couple “starter” dogs, Huebner said, “I basically looked at dogs that I loved. I did a lot of research and came up with specific kennels in various countries. I was lucky enough to get to visit them. The most influential kennel behind Cordmaker is Wallbanger. I loved the breeding program behind the dogs. I wanted a pedigree that looked like this for my first outcross.”</p>

<h2>Breeding Programs and Dog Shows</h2>
<p class="Body">Dog shows, Huebner noted, will test a breeding program, but one can’t depend on that exclusively. New folks, she added, will rely on the results of the dog show because it’s the only information they have.</p>

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<p class="Body">“The danger (of dog shows) is, it’s not about the winning dog,” Huebner said. “That’s not the way the breeding program works. It’s not about that you’ve done well. In the end, the champion part doesn’t matter. The number one all breed doesn’t matter. It’s the capacity of having dogs that can carry the gene pool through and continue to produce the type that you have in your mind’s eye that’s come from research and understanding the breed.</p>
<p class="Body">“If you want to be called a preservation breeder, you have to earn the title. The title will be about how you breed.”</p>
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<h2>Breeding Basics Part 1 and Pedigrees Part 2</h2>
<p class="Body">Listen to Sue and Laura talk breeding basics today and tune in on Monday when they continue the discussion of building great pedigrees.</p>

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<h1 class="Body">Sue Huebner and Cordmaker Pulik</h1>
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<p class="Body">In 1978, <strong>Sue Huebner</strong> and her husband were looking for a family dog. They researched carefully and chose the Puli, acquiring their first dog from a litter near their home in Melbourne, Australia. Little did the Huebners know that they had never seen a fully coated Puli until after they acquired their new puppy.</p>
<p class="Body">Huebner laughs about that now, noting all of the ways people have to research their new dog these days.</p>

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<p class="Body">“There is no excuse for ignorance (today),” Huebner observed. “Accessing information, pictures, videos of dogs working is easy. I’m still growing in understanding the breed standard 40 years later. I love the research."</p>
</blockquote>
<p class="Body">The surprise of a corded dog coated to the ground notwithstanding, the Huebners stuck with the breed, attending obedience classes and competition. Her first conformation competition was sparked when an acquaintance told her that first dog would not be “good enough” to show.</p>
<p class="Body">“He wasn’t a great show dog,” Huebner said. “But he finished his championship. He was a good learning dog for me.”</p>
<p class="Body">Shortly thereafter, she bought two more Pulik, keeping the better of the two after “running them on” in order to make a decision after they had matured. That dog “didn’t have what I consider a good temperament. Because he was difficult, I had to learn. I didn’t breed from him. It’s why temperament became paramount for me,” Huebner said.</p>

<h2 class="Body">Temperament is Job #1</h2>
<p class="Body">She strongly believes a dog’s temperament is the result of both nature and nurture.</p>
<p class="Body">“As a breeder you need to keep certain key things in your mind. It may not be the most beautiful dog you have. But if you have a very clear goal, temperament must always come first. Then as time goes on, I believe, you are now genetically breeding temperament.”</p>
<p class="Body">Huebner also encourages new breeders to understand that family homes are a critical part of a breeding program. “Not because they are necessarily going to breed those animals. You need companion homes. If you produce five puppies in a litter and only one suits the goal you set at the time, there are four others there (who need homes).”</p>
<p class="Body">Preservation breeding is a primary focus for Huebner. She calls it a “focus we desperately need to have.”</p>
<p class="Body">But she describes a “tension” between preserving the “historically correct temperament” which in some breeds is going to be very different than the societal pressure to have dogs which are all “like Golden Retrievers.”</p>
<p class="Body">“Does preservation breeding include temperament when temperament seriously impacted on the purpose of a breed. Or do we have to take account of the fact that our dogs go into family homes (that may not be suited to that temperament),” Huebner asked rhetorically.</p>
<p class="Body">Huebner’s advice for breeders whose breed’s historically correct temperament may or may not fit into today’s society?</p>

<blockquote>
<p class="Body">“I do think the first step is awareness (of the breed’s correct temperament),” Huebner said. “Understand it. Experience it. We have a strategy in place, particularly with dogs going into companion homes. The amount of time we spend educating them before they get the dog is significant. We try to help them understand they’ve bought his temperament, because that’s what you have to live with. And we have life long involvement with our companion families.”</p>
</blockquote>
<p class="Body">Successful assessment and selection of puppies, in terms of which dogs go to which homes, Huebner suggested, should be a clear process of really watching them as they develop.</p>
<p class="Body">“I want you to sit and I want you to watch,” Huebner said. “I want you to do what we ask judges to do. Develop an eye. So that when you’re looking at those puppies and your eye keeps going to one puppy,” one understands it is a combination of temperament and structure that makes the picture.</p>
<p class="Body">“All of those puppies are perfect for something,” Huebner noted. “It’s only the purpose that makes them imperfect. Our purpose is to breed a dog with the genetics we want to produce a beautiful dog that will enhance or further the breed. Every one of those little puppies is perfect for something.”</p>

<h2>Developing an "Eye"</h2>
<p class="Body">Creating an identifiable family of dogs goes back to developing an eye, Hubner observed.</p>
<p class="Body">“You need to research and intimately understand the breed,” she said. “It’s not just the simplistic understanding of a breed standard.”</p>
<p class="Body">Getting started with her breeding program after owning a couple “starter” dogs, Huebner said, “I basically looked at dogs that I loved. I did a lot of research and came up with specific kennels in various countries. I was lucky enough to get to visit them. The most influential kennel behind Cordmaker is Wallbanger. I loved the breeding program behind the dogs. I wanted a pedigree that looked like this for my first outcross.”</p>

<h2>Breeding Programs and Dog Shows</h2>
<p class="Body">Dog shows, Huebner noted, will test a breeding program, but one can’t depend on that exclusively. New folks, she added, will rely on the results of the dog show because it’s the only information they have.</p>

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<p class="Body">“The danger (of dog shows) is, it’s not about the winning dog,” Huebner said. “That’s not the way the breeding program works. It’s not about that you’ve done well. In the end, the champion part doesn’t matter. The number one all breed doesn’t matter. It’s the capacity of having dogs that can carry the gene pool through and continue to produce the type that you have in your mind’s eye that’s come from research and understanding the breed.</p>
<p class="Body">“If you want to be called a preservation breeder, you have to earn the title. The title will be about how you breed.”</p>
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<h2>Breeding Basics Part 1 and Pedigrees Part 2</h2>
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</div>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/148-sue-huebner-on-breeding-basicscordmaker-pulikpure-dog-talk-2]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=3803</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:23:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/6daf0ea9-79e9-4513-8eab-f0890b425014/sue-huebner-pulik-part-1.mp3" length="24035098" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>25:02</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>149 – Pedigrees Produce Top Winners|Sue Huebner</title><itunes:title>149 – Pedigrees Produce Top Winners|Sue Huebner</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[&nbsp;
<h1>Pedigrees That Built Cordmaker Pulik</h1>
<strong>Sue Huebner</strong> of Cordmaker Pulik, shares how she built the pedigrees that consistently produce top winners, including Preston.
<blockquote>“Breeding dogs is as much about luck and trust and interacting with other people as it is about the dogs in front of you,” Huebner said.</blockquote>
<strong>Huebner</strong> describes a 40 year process that started with wanting a dog to show. This journey was not without bumps in the road and a lot of learning along the way.

In 1988, she leased a bitch on the recommendation of her mentor in Australia.

“(Moppet) was primarily UK bred, with a slight Swedish outcross on one side,” Huebner said. “She was a beautiful make and shape. I can see Moppet in almost every bitch we breed.”

Shortly after Huebner’s first breeding, a sister of Moppet’s was bred to the same sire and produced a blind puppy.

“At that time, I think I had too much knowledge and too little understanding,” Huebner said. She was worried about potential health consequences with her foundation bitch, so consulted with a veterinarian who evaluated the puppy as not having a genetic disorder, but the only way to really prove it was to do a “close mating.”

Huebner decided to heed this advice and bred a son from her first litter back to the dam as a rough test of the genetics. “We had no blind puppies,” Huebner said. “And so I understood inbreeding very early in my career.”

“I never really had the same barrier to inbreeding that others do (as a result),” Huebner said. “It can be a useful tool in certain situations.”

“At this stage, all I’m selecting is for my show dog,” Huebner said. She decided she needed to go see more dogs, so she attended the U.S. National to look at dogs from Ann Bowley’s Wallbanger kennel.

Her research led her to “draw up the pedigree I’d like. If I had my choice of dog, this is what I’d like its pedigree to look like,” Huebner said.

She proceeded to contact breeders asking if they had a dog with a pedigree similar to the one she created.

Bokar Artful Dodger, bred by Carolyn Nusbickel, was the dog Huebner selected. “(Today) he is the dominant sire in our kennel,” Huebner said.
<blockquote>“This dog clicked with the English lines I had,” Huebner said. “It was a full outcross, but it clicked.”</blockquote>
<h2>Breeding is Art, Science and Luck</h2>
Breeding is a little art, a little science and a little luck, Huebner notes she’s seen Dodger bred to other lines where it didn’t nick.

At this point, Huebner decided she didn’t want to waste time, “I wanted to get what I wanted quickly.” So she bred Dodger to two half sisters.

“One of the difficulties preservation breeders face, where close breedings are not condoned, where we’ve applied almost a human incestuousness measure against what we do with dogs,” Huebner noted. “It makes those close matings difficult. To accelerate quality has become more difficult.”

Huebner then bred Dodger back to one of his daughters.

“I was cementing what I want,” Huebner said. “(These breedings) are telling me genetically what I can get. I’ve always believed if you have constant outcross matings, you may prevent seeing the problems, but the problems are still there.”
<h2>Cordmaker Mississippi Mud</h2>
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<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Cordmaker-Mississippi-Mud.jpg"></a>
<p id="caption-attachment-3804" class="wp-caption-text">Cordmaker Mississippi Mud ‘AMISH’</p>

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One of Huebner’s most successful dogs was Cordmaker Mississippi Mud, “Amish,” a Dodger son. Amish was bred to an outcross bitch with predominately English lines, allowing Huebner to begin the development of two separate lines, one American and one English, allowing her to cross one to the other.

Listeners might remember a discussion on this topic with AKC judge and renowned Corgi breeder Bill Shelton. For folks who missed it, listen <a href="https://puredogtalk.com/16-bill-shelton-create-family-dogs/">here</a>.

“I had a simple objective,” Huebner said. “In every litter I wanted a higher percentage of dogs I believed were of true quality. … I focused in on a particular dog, a type, a way of evaluating what I wanted.”
<h2>Top Winning is not Top Producing</h2>
Huebner noted that relying on the dog show exclusively to evaluate your breeding stock means  “you’re standing on moving sand.”

“When people start breeding they think ‘if I go to the dog that’s won the most then I must be guaranteed that that dog is going to work for me.’ I don’t think you have that guarantee at all. All you have is a dog that’s won a lot,” Huebner said.

“People ask me what is the secret of your success…. it depends how you measure success. I still think I have a long way to go in the breeding program. Until I have five puppies in the litter and they all get 8 of 10 then I might say aha.”
<h2 style="text-align: center"><strong>CORDMAKER PULIS THAT TRACE SOME OF THE BREEDING PROGRAM</strong></h2>
<strong>AMISH</strong>  a son of Bokar Artful Dodger (my first import semen from the USA).  Sire of Cordmaker Field of dreams ‘Conrad’ ranked # 3 All Breeds in the USA.

<strong>PHILBY</strong>  also a son of Bokar Artful Dodger mated to a UK line produced Denzel.

<strong>DENZEL</strong> sired by Philby mated to a UK bitch who carried some of the top Puli lines in the UK.

<strong>CHARLOTTE</strong>  a daughter of Bokar Artful Dodger out of a UK imported bitch. Litter sister to Camila and Ziggy. Dam of Preston and Paddy.

<strong>CAMILLA</strong> a litter sister of Charlotte and Ziggy.

<strong>ZIGGY</strong>  a brother to Charlotte and Camilla. Sire of our latest litter of puppies out of Cordmaker Mellow Yellow ‘Saffi’ (full sister to Preston and Paddy).

<strong>PRESTON</strong>   a son of Charlotte and full brother to Paddy and Saffi  (pedigree attached). Denzel is his grandsire.

<strong>BUDDY</strong> imported from the UK to cement the UK lines we had introduced in the Charlotte, Camilla, Ziggy litter.  Mated to a Denzel daughter, he produced our current young show team being exhibited in Australia, New Zealand and the USA (pedigree attached).

<img src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/CordmakerPedigree.jpg" alt="Preston's Pedigree" width="1080" height="1156" />]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[&nbsp;
<h1>Pedigrees That Built Cordmaker Pulik</h1>
<strong>Sue Huebner</strong> of Cordmaker Pulik, shares how she built the pedigrees that consistently produce top winners, including Preston.
<blockquote>“Breeding dogs is as much about luck and trust and interacting with other people as it is about the dogs in front of you,” Huebner said.</blockquote>
<strong>Huebner</strong> describes a 40 year process that started with wanting a dog to show. This journey was not without bumps in the road and a lot of learning along the way.

In 1988, she leased a bitch on the recommendation of her mentor in Australia.

“(Moppet) was primarily UK bred, with a slight Swedish outcross on one side,” Huebner said. “She was a beautiful make and shape. I can see Moppet in almost every bitch we breed.”

Shortly after Huebner’s first breeding, a sister of Moppet’s was bred to the same sire and produced a blind puppy.

“At that time, I think I had too much knowledge and too little understanding,” Huebner said. She was worried about potential health consequences with her foundation bitch, so consulted with a veterinarian who evaluated the puppy as not having a genetic disorder, but the only way to really prove it was to do a “close mating.”

Huebner decided to heed this advice and bred a son from her first litter back to the dam as a rough test of the genetics. “We had no blind puppies,” Huebner said. “And so I understood inbreeding very early in my career.”

“I never really had the same barrier to inbreeding that others do (as a result),” Huebner said. “It can be a useful tool in certain situations.”

“At this stage, all I’m selecting is for my show dog,” Huebner said. She decided she needed to go see more dogs, so she attended the U.S. National to look at dogs from Ann Bowley’s Wallbanger kennel.

Her research led her to “draw up the pedigree I’d like. If I had my choice of dog, this is what I’d like its pedigree to look like,” Huebner said.

She proceeded to contact breeders asking if they had a dog with a pedigree similar to the one she created.

Bokar Artful Dodger, bred by Carolyn Nusbickel, was the dog Huebner selected. “(Today) he is the dominant sire in our kennel,” Huebner said.
<blockquote>“This dog clicked with the English lines I had,” Huebner said. “It was a full outcross, but it clicked.”</blockquote>
<h2>Breeding is Art, Science and Luck</h2>
Breeding is a little art, a little science and a little luck, Huebner notes she’s seen Dodger bred to other lines where it didn’t nick.

At this point, Huebner decided she didn’t want to waste time, “I wanted to get what I wanted quickly.” So she bred Dodger to two half sisters.

“One of the difficulties preservation breeders face, where close breedings are not condoned, where we’ve applied almost a human incestuousness measure against what we do with dogs,” Huebner noted. “It makes those close matings difficult. To accelerate quality has become more difficult.”

Huebner then bred Dodger back to one of his daughters.

“I was cementing what I want,” Huebner said. “(These breedings) are telling me genetically what I can get. I’ve always believed if you have constant outcross matings, you may prevent seeing the problems, but the problems are still there.”
<h2>Cordmaker Mississippi Mud</h2>
<div id="attachment_3804" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 1034px">

<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Cordmaker-Mississippi-Mud.jpg"></a>
<p id="caption-attachment-3804" class="wp-caption-text">Cordmaker Mississippi Mud ‘AMISH’</p>

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One of Huebner’s most successful dogs was Cordmaker Mississippi Mud, “Amish,” a Dodger son. Amish was bred to an outcross bitch with predominately English lines, allowing Huebner to begin the development of two separate lines, one American and one English, allowing her to cross one to the other.

Listeners might remember a discussion on this topic with AKC judge and renowned Corgi breeder Bill Shelton. For folks who missed it, listen <a href="https://puredogtalk.com/16-bill-shelton-create-family-dogs/">here</a>.

“I had a simple objective,” Huebner said. “In every litter I wanted a higher percentage of dogs I believed were of true quality. … I focused in on a particular dog, a type, a way of evaluating what I wanted.”
<h2>Top Winning is not Top Producing</h2>
Huebner noted that relying on the dog show exclusively to evaluate your breeding stock means  “you’re standing on moving sand.”

“When people start breeding they think ‘if I go to the dog that’s won the most then I must be guaranteed that that dog is going to work for me.’ I don’t think you have that guarantee at all. All you have is a dog that’s won a lot,” Huebner said.

“People ask me what is the secret of your success…. it depends how you measure success. I still think I have a long way to go in the breeding program. Until I have five puppies in the litter and they all get 8 of 10 then I might say aha.”
<h2 style="text-align: center"><strong>CORDMAKER PULIS THAT TRACE SOME OF THE BREEDING PROGRAM</strong></h2>
<strong>AMISH</strong>  a son of Bokar Artful Dodger (my first import semen from the USA).  Sire of Cordmaker Field of dreams ‘Conrad’ ranked # 3 All Breeds in the USA.

<strong>PHILBY</strong>  also a son of Bokar Artful Dodger mated to a UK line produced Denzel.

<strong>DENZEL</strong> sired by Philby mated to a UK bitch who carried some of the top Puli lines in the UK.

<strong>CHARLOTTE</strong>  a daughter of Bokar Artful Dodger out of a UK imported bitch. Litter sister to Camila and Ziggy. Dam of Preston and Paddy.

<strong>CAMILLA</strong> a litter sister of Charlotte and Ziggy.

<strong>ZIGGY</strong>  a brother to Charlotte and Camilla. Sire of our latest litter of puppies out of Cordmaker Mellow Yellow ‘Saffi’ (full sister to Preston and Paddy).

<strong>PRESTON</strong>   a son of Charlotte and full brother to Paddy and Saffi  (pedigree attached). Denzel is his grandsire.

<strong>BUDDY</strong> imported from the UK to cement the UK lines we had introduced in the Charlotte, Camilla, Ziggy litter.  Mated to a Denzel daughter, he produced our current young show team being exhibited in Australia, New Zealand and the USA (pedigree attached).

<img src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/CordmakerPedigree.jpg" alt="Preston's Pedigree" width="1080" height="1156" />]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/149-pedigrees-produce-top-winnerssue-huebnerpure-dog-talk-2]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=3821</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2018 19:04:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/155ee8a5-1224-4b47-b963-02b37743039b/sue-huebner-pulik-part-2.mp3" length="25054919" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>26:06</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>156 – David Helming – At The Helm of Westminster</title><itunes:title>156 – David Helming – At The Helm of Westminster</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>HELMING THE GARDEN – WESTMINSTER KENNEL CLUB</h1>
Westminster Kennel Club’s newest show chair, <strong>David Helming</strong>, has certainly experienced this prestigious events from all ends of the spectrum. Helming took over as show chair for Tom Bradley last year. But he has judged his breed, Newfoundlands, there and, he and his wife, Peggy, bred and owned Josh, the 2004 BIS winner, shown by Michelle (Ostermiller) Scott.



The Helmings whelped their first litter of Newfoundlands 50 years ago. Their <a href="http://www.pouchcovenewfs.com/">Pouchcove</a> dogs are iconic in the breed, earning AKC Breeder of the Year accolades in 2005.
<blockquote>“I’m very excited for this year,” Helming said. “I got an email from Tom Bradley the year we moved to the piers asking if I’d be the grounds chair.” From that point, Helming transitioned to several years as assistant show chair to Bradley before taking the wheel last year.

“This is a show of many people,” Helming noted. “We have tremendous staff working on it. It’s a true production.”</blockquote>
<h2>ENTRIES AT WESTMINSTER KENNEL CLUB</h2>
Helming noted that this year’s 3200 total entry include 201 of the 202 possible breeds and varieties, 95 junior handlers and a conformation entry that reached its limits for the first time in several years.
<blockquote>“This is the second year televising with Fox,” Helming added. “This is a great group to work with. These are experienced sports people. This year we’ll have new coverages, better camera shots and interviews.”</blockquote>
Westminster Week will air on three parts of the network: Agility Finals, recorded Saturday night, will air on the main Fox channel Sunday afternoon. NatGeoWild will offer *live* coverage of breed judging at the Piers from 1 to 4 p.m. Eastern. And FS1 will return with live showing of the groups and best in show at Madison Square Garden on Monday and Tuesday evenings.
<h2>LIVE AT THE PIERS</h2>
“We’ve expanded this quite a bit over last year,” Helming said. “It’s exciting for exhibitors and adds a twist that at some point exhibitors and judges at the Piers might be on live television. It’s great coverage for our sport and the event.”
<h2>DOG SHOW 101</h2>
Another program Helming touts is <strong>Dog Show 101</strong>, designed to educate the public and spectators about what they are seeing in the ring. The program, debuted last year to rave reviews. It features judges such as Jim Reynolds, Bradley, Dottie Collier and David Haddock talking to groups of spectators to explain ring procedures, judging criteria and more. Exhibitors receive educational materials along with their personal guidance from some of the sports luminaries.

Helming added that the junior showmanship participants are going to be put to work helping with the Dog Show 101 programs and even the live filming at MSG.
<blockquote>“Cliff Steele (best junior showmanship judge) is going to have a lot of fun and very tough choices,” Helming said.</blockquote>
Listen to Helming talk about the memories of the Garden, the mystique, the essence of what it means to “get out there on that green carpet, get your dog set up and start looking around. The excitement is incredible.”

<em>“It’s hard to find someone who doesn’t have a story”</em>
<h2>TODAY ON PURE DOG TALK – WESTMINSTER</h2>
Join David and Laura as they talk about the intense, exclusive experience that is “The Garden.”]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>HELMING THE GARDEN – WESTMINSTER KENNEL CLUB</h1>
Westminster Kennel Club’s newest show chair, <strong>David Helming</strong>, has certainly experienced this prestigious events from all ends of the spectrum. Helming took over as show chair for Tom Bradley last year. But he has judged his breed, Newfoundlands, there and, he and his wife, Peggy, bred and owned Josh, the 2004 BIS winner, shown by Michelle (Ostermiller) Scott.



The Helmings whelped their first litter of Newfoundlands 50 years ago. Their <a href="http://www.pouchcovenewfs.com/">Pouchcove</a> dogs are iconic in the breed, earning AKC Breeder of the Year accolades in 2005.
<blockquote>“I’m very excited for this year,” Helming said. “I got an email from Tom Bradley the year we moved to the piers asking if I’d be the grounds chair.” From that point, Helming transitioned to several years as assistant show chair to Bradley before taking the wheel last year.

“This is a show of many people,” Helming noted. “We have tremendous staff working on it. It’s a true production.”</blockquote>
<h2>ENTRIES AT WESTMINSTER KENNEL CLUB</h2>
Helming noted that this year’s 3200 total entry include 201 of the 202 possible breeds and varieties, 95 junior handlers and a conformation entry that reached its limits for the first time in several years.
<blockquote>“This is the second year televising with Fox,” Helming added. “This is a great group to work with. These are experienced sports people. This year we’ll have new coverages, better camera shots and interviews.”</blockquote>
Westminster Week will air on three parts of the network: Agility Finals, recorded Saturday night, will air on the main Fox channel Sunday afternoon. NatGeoWild will offer *live* coverage of breed judging at the Piers from 1 to 4 p.m. Eastern. And FS1 will return with live showing of the groups and best in show at Madison Square Garden on Monday and Tuesday evenings.
<h2>LIVE AT THE PIERS</h2>
“We’ve expanded this quite a bit over last year,” Helming said. “It’s exciting for exhibitors and adds a twist that at some point exhibitors and judges at the Piers might be on live television. It’s great coverage for our sport and the event.”
<h2>DOG SHOW 101</h2>
Another program Helming touts is <strong>Dog Show 101</strong>, designed to educate the public and spectators about what they are seeing in the ring. The program, debuted last year to rave reviews. It features judges such as Jim Reynolds, Bradley, Dottie Collier and David Haddock talking to groups of spectators to explain ring procedures, judging criteria and more. Exhibitors receive educational materials along with their personal guidance from some of the sports luminaries.

Helming added that the junior showmanship participants are going to be put to work helping with the Dog Show 101 programs and even the live filming at MSG.
<blockquote>“Cliff Steele (best junior showmanship judge) is going to have a lot of fun and very tough choices,” Helming said.</blockquote>
Listen to Helming talk about the memories of the Garden, the mystique, the essence of what it means to “get out there on that green carpet, get your dog set up and start looking around. The excitement is incredible.”

<em>“It’s hard to find someone who doesn’t have a story”</em>
<h2>TODAY ON PURE DOG TALK – WESTMINSTER</h2>
Join David and Laura as they talk about the intense, exclusive experience that is “The Garden.”]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/david-helming-at-the-helm-of-westminster]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=3879</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2018 17:42:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/3c4d117f-c53a-4cef-a97f-88b476c366ea/david-helming-interview.mp3" length="18253468" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>19:01</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>157 – Sioux Forsyth: On Legends Robert and Jane Forsyth</title><itunes:title>157 – Sioux Forsyth: On Legends Robert and Jane Forsyth</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<div class=" et_pb_row et_pb_row_0">
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<h1>SIOUX FORSYTH: ON ROBERT AND JANE FORSYTH – WESTMINSTER LEGENDS</h1>
<strong>Sioux Forsyth</strong> is the modern day “keeper of the flame” in the memory of her parents, the late, great, Robert and Jane Forsyth. The only husband and wife team to this day to both win Best in Show at Westminster Kennel Club, the Forsyth’s were formidable handlers in the Golden Era of large kennels owned and operated by wealthy benefactors. In the 1980s, they both retired and turned to judging, eventually each acquiring the coveted “all-breed” status.
<blockquote>“I was lucky,” Sioux said. “The things I learned on a daily basis that I took for granted, I probably shouldn’t have. Because not everyone had those opportunities. I saw amazingly good dogs that people today never got to see. And I saw them on a daily basis.”</blockquote>
<h2>SIOUX FORSYTH’S “LEONARD” THE WHIPPET</h2>
Her favorite, though, of all of those famous and fabulous dogs was a Whippet her father imported from England, Charmoll Clansman. A dog who hated the show ring, but sired the famous Ch. Sporting Field Clansman, who was a two-time group winner at the Garden.
<blockquote>“Leonard hated everyone in the kennel including my mother,” Sioux said. “He hated to show. He was one of the few who lived in the house. They gave him to me because I was the only one he liked. Mom forgot him in the house twice. It was that unusual to have a dog live in the house. They were kennel dogs. When they retired, they went home to be a pet. Until then they needed to know their job, and their job was to be show dog.”</blockquote>
<h2>12 BEST IN SHOWS IN THE TRUCK</h2>
Sioux related a story about her parents, who were assisted by George Alston at that time, and George Ward, the famous terrier man, taking a dog show trip to Texas “uninvited,” as they say. “They had 12 Best in Show dogs on the truck. They left after 10 shows with one group win,” Sioux marveled. “They laughed about it. But, really, today, how many handlers have 12 best in show dogs on the truck? Most of us are lucky to have one or even a group winner.”

“It was very different for me than for my parents (as a handler),” Sioux noted. “Part of that was personality. Part of that was also the era. When you hired my parents, you hired them because they were professionals and the best at what they did. When I started showing dogs, I would have people hire me and tell me where I needed to go show their dog. Trust me, no one ever told mother where to show their dog. Very few people told my mother anything, never mind how to do her job. To me it’s a lack of respect. That when you hire a professional that’s exactly what you’re doing. Just like hiring your personal doctor or the person who cleans your house. You hire a person, it’s because they’re good at what they do. When you hire a handler you should be hiring them because you respect them and you believe they will do the best job for you and your dog. And that seems to be lost.”
<h2>JANE FORSYTH “SUFFERED NO FOOLS”</h2>
Those of us who didn’t encounter Mr. and Mrs. Forsyth until later in their careers were under a misconception that “Janey’s” unwillingness to suffer fools came with an advanced age, Sioux laughed outright.
<blockquote>“Don’t ask unless you want the truth,” Sioux said. “My mother was brutally honest. An amazing dog person. Someone that, she’d judge a class and I’d ask her why did you put that one up. She’d say something like ‘did you see those feet? Those were the best feet in the class. You can’t build a great big house on a faulty foundation.’ That was one thing, she always looked at some things that we may pass over. I cannot tell you how many people come to me with hilarious stories of my mother…. how many of them have to do with toenails… I have got to tell you the best Janey story… my mother was judging standard poodles in the midwest. She called out to this handler by name, ‘you know you probably have the best one here, but I can’t stand those dead baby hands’…. What are dead baby hands? Flat feet…”</blockquote>
<h2>QUALITY OF SHOW DOGS TODAY</h2>
Sioux talked about the quality of dogs in her parents day and today, noting that, in her opinion, the loss of the large breeding kennels has led to an overall decline in depth of quality in breeds.

“First of all, when my parents were showing dogs, especially in the ‘50s and ‘60s, …. they both worked for these huge kennels before they went out on their own. They’d have 50 head of greyhounds, 100 head of whippets. We don’t have that any more. That’s one big reason we have lost a lot of depth of quality. We don’t have huge breeders anymore. We don’t have kennels of 100-200 dogs anymore that are just breeding kennels.

“These kennels were owned by very wealthy people. Mrs. Dodge for example. We always had 45-50 Smooth Fox Terriers for Mrs. Ferrell of Ferrell shipping lines. They would hire someone like my parents to run their breeding program and their kennel. (The handlers) would take these people’s dogs to the show and show them. Instead of having to go out on your own and have 10-20 clients to pay bills, you’d work with one kennel to gain experience breeding, whelping, raising and taking them to dog shows. It was these people’s golf or their tennis. That was their identity. When Peter Green first came to this country, he worked for individuals with very large kennels. That’s how a lot of our professional handlers earned enough money to go out on their own and show dogs for multiple clients. We’re losing quality and depth of quality because we don’t have those kennels anymore.”
<h2>BOB AND JANE WINNING AT THE GARDEN</h2>
The two most famous of the dogs her parents showed, Sioux added were the ones they each won with at the Garden.

“Dad won in 1964 with the Whippet Ch. Fleetfoot of Pennyworth. Mom won with the Boxer bitch Susie in 1970 (Ch. Arriba’s Prima Donna),” Sioux said. “I sat with mom for a lot of hours before she passed. I asked her what was the best boxer you ever showed. She said it would have to be barrage (Ch Barrage of Quality Hill).

“We carried 10-15 boxers to every show. There were two in every class. They would switch off which one they showed every day.”
<h2>PART TWO ON THURSDAY ON PURE DOG TALK</h2>
Enjoy these amazing memories and more during Laura’s interview with Sioux today.

Join us for part two of the interview when Sioux talks about showing dogs in proper condition, her mom’s lifetime friendship with Anne Rogers Clark and, spoiler alert, her thoughts on the future “legends” of the sport.

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<h2>TOENAIL TRIMMING AND CARE</h2>
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Laura: Pure dog talk is the voice of purebred dogs. We talked to the legends of the sport and give you the tips and tools to create an awesome life with your purebred dog. As strong supporters of the American Kennel Club, we talk about everything from confirmation to preservation, breeding from competitive obedience to field work, from agility to therapy, dogs, and all the fun in between. Your passion is our purpose. Tremendous thanks to our sponsor, royal canin. Every day more top breeders are choosing Royal Canin. Join the winning team.
Laura: Okay, crew, before we get into today's show, I am super excited to tell you about something new here at Pure Dog Talk. We know breeders are the lifeblood of our sport. We celebrate and honor our master breeders, so we're bringing you Breeders Voice. Breeders Voice sits down with top breeders, sharing their secrets, how they got where they are, the joys, and maybe even the heartbreaks. If you haven't had a chance, click the don't miss an episode button so you'll get these in depth articles delivered free along with your podcast. Sign up on our facebook page, or at puredogtalk.com.
Laura: Welcome to Pure Dog Talk. I'm your host, Laura Reeves, and I have a very, very special guest today that I know I'm super excited to talk too and I think you guys will be quite excited to hear what she has to say. Sioux Forsyth Green is the daughter of two of America's legendary dog show judges. I guess I would say Jane and Forsyth. So Sioux, welcome so much. I appreciate your time.
New Speaker: Well, thank you for having me.
Laura: So give us the 411. I mean you had a pretty, I would think, amazing childhood,
New Speaker: A lot of people think that!
New Speaker: And it was in a lot of ways -- to be able to grow up with two unbelievable dog people -- I was very lucky. Now that I've gone through handling and now I'm judging... the things that I learned on a daily basis that I took for granted, I probably should not have, because a lot of people didn't have those opportunities.
Laura: They didn't Sioux... and that's fine. I'm so excited to have you talk to our listeners because I think that the opportunities you have, I personally am jealous of.
New Speaker: Well, I grew up around some amazingly good dogs that many people today never got to see, and I saw them on a daily basis. My parents tell of a story that before they were married, they went to Texas uninvited.
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<h1>SIOUX FORSYTH: ON ROBERT AND JANE FORSYTH – WESTMINSTER LEGENDS</h1>
<strong>Sioux Forsyth</strong> is the modern day “keeper of the flame” in the memory of her parents, the late, great, Robert and Jane Forsyth. The only husband and wife team to this day to both win Best in Show at Westminster Kennel Club, the Forsyth’s were formidable handlers in the Golden Era of large kennels owned and operated by wealthy benefactors. In the 1980s, they both retired and turned to judging, eventually each acquiring the coveted “all-breed” status.
<blockquote>“I was lucky,” Sioux said. “The things I learned on a daily basis that I took for granted, I probably shouldn’t have. Because not everyone had those opportunities. I saw amazingly good dogs that people today never got to see. And I saw them on a daily basis.”</blockquote>
<h2>SIOUX FORSYTH’S “LEONARD” THE WHIPPET</h2>
Her favorite, though, of all of those famous and fabulous dogs was a Whippet her father imported from England, Charmoll Clansman. A dog who hated the show ring, but sired the famous Ch. Sporting Field Clansman, who was a two-time group winner at the Garden.
<blockquote>“Leonard hated everyone in the kennel including my mother,” Sioux said. “He hated to show. He was one of the few who lived in the house. They gave him to me because I was the only one he liked. Mom forgot him in the house twice. It was that unusual to have a dog live in the house. They were kennel dogs. When they retired, they went home to be a pet. Until then they needed to know their job, and their job was to be show dog.”</blockquote>
<h2>12 BEST IN SHOWS IN THE TRUCK</h2>
Sioux related a story about her parents, who were assisted by George Alston at that time, and George Ward, the famous terrier man, taking a dog show trip to Texas “uninvited,” as they say. “They had 12 Best in Show dogs on the truck. They left after 10 shows with one group win,” Sioux marveled. “They laughed about it. But, really, today, how many handlers have 12 best in show dogs on the truck? Most of us are lucky to have one or even a group winner.”

“It was very different for me than for my parents (as a handler),” Sioux noted. “Part of that was personality. Part of that was also the era. When you hired my parents, you hired them because they were professionals and the best at what they did. When I started showing dogs, I would have people hire me and tell me where I needed to go show their dog. Trust me, no one ever told mother where to show their dog. Very few people told my mother anything, never mind how to do her job. To me it’s a lack of respect. That when you hire a professional that’s exactly what you’re doing. Just like hiring your personal doctor or the person who cleans your house. You hire a person, it’s because they’re good at what they do. When you hire a handler you should be hiring them because you respect them and you believe they will do the best job for you and your dog. And that seems to be lost.”
<h2>JANE FORSYTH “SUFFERED NO FOOLS”</h2>
Those of us who didn’t encounter Mr. and Mrs. Forsyth until later in their careers were under a misconception that “Janey’s” unwillingness to suffer fools came with an advanced age, Sioux laughed outright.
<blockquote>“Don’t ask unless you want the truth,” Sioux said. “My mother was brutally honest. An amazing dog person. Someone that, she’d judge a class and I’d ask her why did you put that one up. She’d say something like ‘did you see those feet? Those were the best feet in the class. You can’t build a great big house on a faulty foundation.’ That was one thing, she always looked at some things that we may pass over. I cannot tell you how many people come to me with hilarious stories of my mother…. how many of them have to do with toenails… I have got to tell you the best Janey story… my mother was judging standard poodles in the midwest. She called out to this handler by name, ‘you know you probably have the best one here, but I can’t stand those dead baby hands’…. What are dead baby hands? Flat feet…”</blockquote>
<h2>QUALITY OF SHOW DOGS TODAY</h2>
Sioux talked about the quality of dogs in her parents day and today, noting that, in her opinion, the loss of the large breeding kennels has led to an overall decline in depth of quality in breeds.

“First of all, when my parents were showing dogs, especially in the ‘50s and ‘60s, …. they both worked for these huge kennels before they went out on their own. They’d have 50 head of greyhounds, 100 head of whippets. We don’t have that any more. That’s one big reason we have lost a lot of depth of quality. We don’t have huge breeders anymore. We don’t have kennels of 100-200 dogs anymore that are just breeding kennels.

“These kennels were owned by very wealthy people. Mrs. Dodge for example. We always had 45-50 Smooth Fox Terriers for Mrs. Ferrell of Ferrell shipping lines. They would hire someone like my parents to run their breeding program and their kennel. (The handlers) would take these people’s dogs to the show and show them. Instead of having to go out on your own and have 10-20 clients to pay bills, you’d work with one kennel to gain experience breeding, whelping, raising and taking them to dog shows. It was these people’s golf or their tennis. That was their identity. When Peter Green first came to this country, he worked for individuals with very large kennels. That’s how a lot of our professional handlers earned enough money to go out on their own and show dogs for multiple clients. We’re losing quality and depth of quality because we don’t have those kennels anymore.”
<h2>BOB AND JANE WINNING AT THE GARDEN</h2>
The two most famous of the dogs her parents showed, Sioux added were the ones they each won with at the Garden.

“Dad won in 1964 with the Whippet Ch. Fleetfoot of Pennyworth. Mom won with the Boxer bitch Susie in 1970 (Ch. Arriba’s Prima Donna),” Sioux said. “I sat with mom for a lot of hours before she passed. I asked her what was the best boxer you ever showed. She said it would have to be barrage (Ch Barrage of Quality Hill).

“We carried 10-15 boxers to every show. There were two in every class. They would switch off which one they showed every day.”
<h2>PART TWO ON THURSDAY ON PURE DOG TALK</h2>
Enjoy these amazing memories and more during Laura’s interview with Sioux today.

Join us for part two of the interview when Sioux talks about showing dogs in proper condition, her mom’s lifetime friendship with Anne Rogers Clark and, spoiler alert, her thoughts on the future “legends” of the sport.

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<h2>TOENAIL TRIMMING AND CARE</h2>
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Laura: Pure dog talk is the voice of purebred dogs. We talked to the legends of the sport and give you the tips and tools to create an awesome life with your purebred dog. As strong supporters of the American Kennel Club, we talk about everything from confirmation to preservation, breeding from competitive obedience to field work, from agility to therapy, dogs, and all the fun in between. Your passion is our purpose. Tremendous thanks to our sponsor, royal canin. Every day more top breeders are choosing Royal Canin. Join the winning team.
Laura: Okay, crew, before we get into today's show, I am super excited to tell you about something new here at Pure Dog Talk. We know breeders are the lifeblood of our sport. We celebrate and honor our master breeders, so we're bringing you Breeders Voice. Breeders Voice sits down with top breeders, sharing their secrets, how they got where they are, the joys, and maybe even the heartbreaks. If you haven't had a chance, click the don't miss an episode button so you'll get these in depth articles delivered free along with your podcast. Sign up on our facebook page, or at puredogtalk.com.
Laura: Welcome to Pure Dog Talk. I'm your host, Laura Reeves, and I have a very, very special guest today that I know I'm super excited to talk too and I think you guys will be quite excited to hear what she has to say. Sioux Forsyth Green is the daughter of two of America's legendary dog show judges. I guess I would say Jane and Forsyth. So Sioux, welcome so much. I appreciate your time.
New Speaker: Well, thank you for having me.
Laura: So give us the 411. I mean you had a pretty, I would think, amazing childhood,
New Speaker: A lot of people think that!
New Speaker: And it was in a lot of ways -- to be able to grow up with two unbelievable dog people -- I was very lucky. Now that I've gone through handling and now I'm judging... the things that I learned on a daily basis that I took for granted, I probably should not have, because a lot of people didn't have those opportunities.
Laura: They didn't Sioux... and that's fine. I'm so excited to have you talk to our listeners because I think that the opportunities you have, I personally am jealous of.
New Speaker: Well, I grew up around some amazingly good dogs that many people today never got to see, and I saw them on a daily basis. My parents tell of a story that before they were married, they went to Texas uninvited.
Laura: Oh Lord.
New Speaker: It was them, and George Ward, and this was when George Alston was working for my mother. They had 12 best in show dogs in the truck and they left 10 shows with one group win.
Laura: Oh Lord! and I think why I say Oh Lord, and maybe I think it still exists today, but I think it's eased some. I've heard these stories about coming to Texas -- as they say -- uninvited. And we talk about the independent republic of Texas.
New Speaker: Oh. And they laughed about it. But the important thing to me is how many handlers have 12 best in show dogs in their truck? You know, a lot of times we're lucky if we have one or even a group winner.
Laura: Exactly. So your parents showed some of the top dogs in the country, like you say, 12 best in show dogs in the truck. Think of those dogs. Who is your favorite?
New Speaker: I'm a little biased because a Whippet that my father had imported from England from the Charmoll Kennel, his name was Charmoll Clansmen. He sired Sporting Fields Clansman, who was a two time group winner at The Garden... and his father was a bit of a better Whippet; however, Laird did not appreciate dog shows.
New Speaker: As only a Whippet can.
New Speaker: Yes. He was definitely a purebred and he hated everybody in the kennel, including my mother, because they either stuffed him or did his nails. He was one of the few dogs that my parents showed that lived in our house, because if he didn't, he wouldn't have given even my father at the time of day. And when this dog was retired, they gave him to me because I was the only one that he liked, so he spends the rest of his days on my bed. And I can remember two times that my mother forgot him in the house and we had to go home and get him after we had left for the dog show. But that's how unusual it was for us to keep a dog at our house. They were kennel dogs, they were show dogs, and when they retired they went home to become someone's pet and until then they needed to know what their job was... and their job was to be a show dog, which is very different than the way we look at it today.
New Speaker: Absolutely. I was just thinking, wow. Yeah. Back in the day. So you, you handled some before you started judging. How different is it now for you, or was it for you, as a handler than it was for your folks?
New Speaker: Oh, it was very different and part of that was personality. Part of that was also the era. When you hired my parents, you hired them because they were professionals and they were the best at what they did. Well, when I started showing dogs, and even after I had started, I had been showing dogs for 20 years. I would have people hire me and then tell me where I needed to go show their dog. Trust me...no one ever told mother where to go show their dogs!
New Speaker: The image just....
New Speaker: Very few people told my mother anything, but they really didn't tell her how to do her job. And to me, it's almost a lack of respect that when you hire a professional that's exactly what we're doing, just like hiring your personal doctor or the person that comes to clean your house, you're hiring that person because they're good at what they do. Right? And when you're hiring a handler, you should be hiring them because you respect them and you believe that they will do the best job for you and your dog. And it seems to be law.
Laura: Yes. I think there has been a number of those sorts of things that have gone by the wayside for lack of a better term. So I have to tell you, I enjoyed your parents very much. The times that I got to show to them, I didn't know them well. You talk about your, your mother. Nobody told her what to do. I can remember her telling me what drink she would like at the Wirehair Pointer National. I better get it just right. I was like, oh my God, I got her a proper white wine spritzer. And that was what I got.
New Speaker: There you go. She was a big Campari drinker and when she passed whe had six cases of Campari. Have you ever tried it?
Laura: No. No. Compari is not one of my favorites.
New Speaker: Compari is italian glue. It's made from pomegranates, so it's bitter and it's a very thick, syrupy liquor and then she mixed it with grapefruit juice.
Laura: Yeah, exactly. Let's talk a little bit more about, I think too many people in the sport today, perhaps only remember your mom, particularly towards the end of her career, by which point she was not willing to suffer fools gladly. How is that?
New Speaker: A lot of people think that came with age. Not really!
Laura: Well, there you go.
New Speaker: And I get told this a lot... that don't ask unless you want the truth. And..my mother was brutally honest.
Laura: Yes, yes she was,
New Speaker: But she was an amazing, amazing dog person. She would judge a class and I would ask her, why did you put that one up? And she would say something like...did you see those feet, those were the best feet in that class, and without good feet, how can you build upon a poor platform. What's the word I'm looking for. You can't build a great big house on faulty foundations and that was one thing she always looked at some things that we may pass over.
Laura: The beauty in the details.
New Speaker: Yeah. I cannot tell you how many people come to me and many, many people have hilarious stories of my mother. She really was a very funny lady... and how many of them have to do with toenails.
Laura: I just saw something about that. I was, I was stalking you, you know, so I could get a little enough information to feel comfortable and there was somebody had posted about their Short Hair and... Look I did it's toenails and it won.
New Speaker: Yeah. And she would make these statements... it was hilarious. Especially right after she passed, people would call me or text me or facebook me or whatever, and there was a Poodle handler that said I have got to tell you the best Janie's story that I have. And My mother was judging Standard Poodles in the midwest and she called out to the handler... which, God forbid we call a handler by name now.
Laura: Yes.
New Speaker: Oh, the ring of a judge. And she said, you know, you probably have the best one in here, but I can't stand those dead baby hands. And I died laughing
Laura: and then.
New Speaker: The comments started... because this was posted on facebook publicly.
Laura: Yes.
New Speaker: The comments started... Well, what are "dead baby hands". And in my mother's era dead baby hands were flat feet and she would tell you... that's what they look like.
Laura: Yes... from people of your mother's era, that was frequently commented. And the first time I heard it, the same thing. I'm like, oh dude, Jesus, what is she talking about?
New Speaker: Yes. Yeah. So for those of you that don't know what dead baby hands are, they are flat feet
Laura: Flat feet are not attractive. So go back and think about some of the super top winners that your folks showed and because you have such a great scope of time in the sport, talk about the overall quality of the dogs that were being shown at the time that your parents handled and some of our top dogs today. Can you make those kind of comparisons?
New Speaker: First of all, when my parents were showing dogs, especially in the fifties and sixties and then on into the seventies and the retired in 1981, they both worked for these huge kennels before they went off on their own. My father worked for Mardemere which is a Whippet and Greyhound kennel. They kept at all times 50 head of Greyhound and a hundred head of Whippet... ALL the time. We don't have that anymore and that's why I believed for many reasons, but one big reason that we have really lost a lot of quality and depth of quality in a lot of these breeds is we don't have those huge breeders anymore. We don't have kennels of 100, 200 dogs that are just a breeding kennel.
Laura: Right? And if we have them they are puppy mills and they're bad. So help people understand how that just the sheer numbers enabled these breeders to create dogs with that depth of quality that you're talking about.
New Speaker: Well, first of all, they were owned by very wealthy people. "Dodge"...we always had 45 to 50 Smooth Fox Terriers for Mrs. Ferrol of Ferrol Shipping Lines. So we're talking quite wealthy people and they would hire someone like my mother or my father to run their breeding program and their kennels. So of course they would then have other people under them. It keeps the kennel up, but then they would take these people's dogs to the dog show and show them. So then you're cultivating your private handlers. So instead of having to go out on your own and have 10 to 20 clients, able to pay your bills, you can work one kennel and gain experience breeding, whelping, raising dogs, and then taking them to the dog show every weekend. That's what these people did. It was their golf or their tennis or whatever someone may do for their relaxation and enjoyment, have these huge kennel of dogs. And that was their identity.
Laura: Right?
New Speaker: I know when Peter Green first came to this country, he worked for some individuals that had these very large kennels and that's how a lot of our professional handlers then, how they earned enough money to go out on their own and become independent professional handlers and show dogs for several different clients, instead of the one that they worked for. It's not only the quality, but it's the depth of quality that we're losing because we don't have these kennels anymore.
Laura: They were able to do more breedings, keep more dogs, evaluate more dogs, run on more dogs. They didn't have to fight with co-owners and all of the kinds of things that we have to deal with in the sport today because society has changed so drastically.
New Speaker: Yeah. And a whole other discussion will be the animal rights people who have done a whole lot of no good for this business, but you asked me probably the two top winning dogs that my...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/sioux-forsyth]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=3883</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2018 17:28:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/8eefe3a7-5cbb-4792-a50b-89f7211c89d6/sioux-forsyth-green-interview-part-1-1.mp3" length="23953190" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>24:57</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>158 – Sioux Forsyth on Judging Dogs and Anne Rogers Clark</title><itunes:title>158 – Sioux Forsyth on Judging Dogs and Anne Rogers Clark</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<div class="et_pb_text et_pb_module et_pb_bg_layout_light et_pb_text_align_left et_pb_text_0">
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<h1>SIOUX FORSYTH, PART 2 – JUDGING AND ANNE ROGERS CLARK</h1>
<p class="Body">Sioux Forsyth, daughter of dog show royalty, handled dogs professionally herself and is now judging, following in the footsteps of her parents, Robert and Jane Forsyth. This is part two of our conversation with her.</p>
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<p class="Body">“I started with six breeds,” Sioux said. “It’s not cheap to become a judge. My mother loved judging, she lived for it. Father said ‘you gotta be kidding me.’</p>
<p class="Body">“I wanted a little experience in different groups. To see if I like it. Turns out, I love judging. The people in my ring, they come in the ring, and we laugh at ourselves and each other. A lot of people take this or themselves entirely too seriously. It’s just a dog show. There’ll be another one tomorrow. If it’s not enjoyable and you’re not having fun, what’s the point? Take the dog seriously. Work your hardest, present the dogs at their best. But it’s not the end of the day if you lose. You’ll get somebody else’s opinion.”</p>
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<p class="Body">While it took Sioux two and a half years to get a group, her memory is that her parents both acquired their all-breed status within about 10 years of their retirement. But it wasn’t without a small battle.</p>
<p class="Body">“We had a tiff with the AKC when (my parents) retired,” Sioux laughed. “(They) refused to move away from the kennel. The only dogs boarded there were pets, but AKC refused to give them a license for a year. Eventually, they each got a group. Mom got sporting, dad got working. Each got separate groups until they couldn’t anymore, then they started doubling up.”</p>

<h2>ADVICE FROM SIOUX FORSYTH</h2>
<p class="Body">Sioux’s best advice for folks who are just starting out in purebred dogs is to “talk to as many people in the breed you’re interested in as possible.”</p>
<p class="Body">“Do your homework,” Sioux noted. “Find out who’s been successful. Follow them. Talk to them, ask them questions. If you don’t understand something, ask it again. A lot of people that are in this for a year are suddenly experts. It really doesn’t work that way. To me, I always say, find somebody you admire that you want to resemble, to present yourself like, and watch them.</p>
<p class="Body">“I love to help new people. To mentor people. I was judging last year at a Boxer specialty and I asked a young lady to come talk to me because I wanted to know who was helping her, who had been guiding her. The young lady said no one. Two years this young lady had been showing her dog and no one tried to help her. I got ahold of a couple people and told them ‘I’m assigning you this young lady. She’s very interested and nobody is helping her.’ It is amazing she was still plugging away.”</p>

<h2>THE NEXT JANE AND ANNIE?</h2>
<p class="Body">Reflecting on the rising interest in performance events, Sioux noted that her mother, Jane, got started in dogs when she was 16 years old and took her Airedale to an obedience class. It was there Jane met her lifetime best friend, Anne Rogers Clark.</p>
<p class="Body">And who are the next Janey and Annie? Sioux observed that purebred dogs have some very talented women rising through the ranks.</p>
<p class="Body">“Katie Shepherd Bernardin, Angie Lloyd, Laura King, Laurie Jordan…. I don’t think it’s all about winning,” Sioux said. “It has a lot to do with the person you are. The way you help and teach and share your knowledge. If we don’t share our knowledge it’s going to be lost. I don’t understand not wanting to share knowledge. It helps everybody. It helps you to give it away. It helps others that look up to you.”</p>
<p class="Body">“One thing my father always taught me,” Sioux reminisced, “is that you’re no better than anyone else, you’re just you. You may be different, but you’re not any better.”</p>

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Laura: Pure dog talk is the voice of purebred dogs. We talked to the legends of the sport and give you the tips and tools to create an awesome life with your purebred dog. As strong supporters of the American Kennel Club, we talk about everything from confirmation to preservation, breeding from competitive obedience to field work, from agility to therapy, dogs, and all the fun in between. Your passion is our purpose. Tremendous thanks to our sponsor, Royal Canin. Every day more top breeders are choosing Royal Canin. Join the winning team.
Laura: Okay, crew, before we get into today's show, I am super excited to tell you about something new here at Pure Dog Talk. We know breeders are the lifeblood of our sport. We celebrate and honor our master breeders, so we're bringing you Breeders Voice. Breeders Voice sits down with top breeders, sharing their secrets, how they got where they are, the joys, and maybe even the heartbreaks. If you haven't had a chance, click the don't miss an episode button so you'll get these in depth articles delivered free along with your podcast. Sign up on our facebook page, or at puredogtalk.com.
Dog: Bark, Bark!
Laura: Welcome to pure dog talk. I'm your host, Laura Reeves. I am so honored to be joined again by Sioux Forsyth in part two of this conversation that we had. Sioux is talking with us today about the knowledge that she acquired as the child of one of the profoundly legendary couples of purebred dogs, Jane and Robert Forsyth. From showing dogs in proper condition, to the transition from handling to judging, and spoiler alert, she gives us her thoughts on some of our future legends.
Dog: Bark, Bark!
Sioux: So you were raised by the best in the sport and you know what top condition looks like. You understand the importance of this and I would love to have you pass on that wisdom about what proper condition is and isn't. I can remember having an Akita client many years ago whose dog had gotten a hotspot smack in the middle of the top of his head between his ears. They were quite insistent that I should show this dog to Michelle BIllings of all people. And I said "nahhh...no".
New Speaker: Yeah, probably not a great idea. First of all, and I don't understand this form of thinking that... oh, we can't let our Great Danes because they'll hurt themselves. Well, what were they bred to do? They were bred to run after and take down wild boar. Laying on the couch is not the best thing for any animal or human in my opinion. So our dogs, were always out in the paddock all day long. There were certain dogs that we'd road work - those that didn't really condition themselves. And we would always mix two Smooth Fox Terriers with each one of our Boxer bitches, because Boxer bitches are bone lazy and Smooth Fox Terriers are not at all.
Laura: No, not lazy.
Sioux: They would be just annoying enough to keep a boxer bitch real. So if they didn't self exercise, yes, we roadworked them, which meant using a bicycle and having them run next to a bicycle. Sometimes we used a car where somebody drove the car and then there was somebody sitting on the tailgate of the old station wagon as we went down the road, and later on in years we had the dog with dog type of thing. That was first and foremost.. that dogs had muscle and were kept in good weight. In my opinion, there was one breed in particular... we never showed a Boxer that had his ribs showing and now you see it every time you walk in the ring.
Laura: So...what are you judging now? What did you come in? What are you working toward on your own personal judging career?
Sioux: Well, I started with six breeds because, you know, it's not cheap to become a judge. And I wasn't sure... I could go one way or the other. My mother loved judging and lived for it. My father said, you gotta be kidding me!
Laura: He was the one with a sense of humor when I saw them. He was always laughing and made me laugh. Every time I saw him,
Sioux: My father had the best sense of humor to the very end, very dry. He was hilarious. And if you didn't know him, I think that's when people would be a little afraid of him, because he would come out with some remark and then just have this little tiny grin in the corner of his mouth and you would know he was kidding. Because if the grin wasn't there...you better run!
Sioux: So I started with six breeds, I started with pointers, which are the breed. I bred with my dad for 40 some odd years, and which I showed a ton of, especially for Ben and Barbara Zhan (Barben). Then I did Boxers, Great Danes and Newfoundlands -- all of which I showed a lot of. I really enjoyed those breeds. And then I also went for Cavalier King Charles and Junior Showmanship. So I could get some experience in different groups and see if I liked to judge and I do, I LOVE judging. With the people that come in my ring and we can laugh at ourselves and laugh at each other and have fun, which to me, a lot of people take this entirely too seriously or take themselves entirely too seriously. And it's just a dog show. There's gonna be another one tomorrow.
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<p class="Body">Sioux Forsyth, daughter of dog show royalty, handled dogs professionally herself and is now judging, following in the footsteps of her parents, Robert and Jane Forsyth. This is part two of our conversation with her.</p>
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<p class="Body">“I started with six breeds,” Sioux said. “It’s not cheap to become a judge. My mother loved judging, she lived for it. Father said ‘you gotta be kidding me.’</p>
<p class="Body">“I wanted a little experience in different groups. To see if I like it. Turns out, I love judging. The people in my ring, they come in the ring, and we laugh at ourselves and each other. A lot of people take this or themselves entirely too seriously. It’s just a dog show. There’ll be another one tomorrow. If it’s not enjoyable and you’re not having fun, what’s the point? Take the dog seriously. Work your hardest, present the dogs at their best. But it’s not the end of the day if you lose. You’ll get somebody else’s opinion.”</p>
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<p class="Body">While it took Sioux two and a half years to get a group, her memory is that her parents both acquired their all-breed status within about 10 years of their retirement. But it wasn’t without a small battle.</p>
<p class="Body">“We had a tiff with the AKC when (my parents) retired,” Sioux laughed. “(They) refused to move away from the kennel. The only dogs boarded there were pets, but AKC refused to give them a license for a year. Eventually, they each got a group. Mom got sporting, dad got working. Each got separate groups until they couldn’t anymore, then they started doubling up.”</p>

<h2>ADVICE FROM SIOUX FORSYTH</h2>
<p class="Body">Sioux’s best advice for folks who are just starting out in purebred dogs is to “talk to as many people in the breed you’re interested in as possible.”</p>
<p class="Body">“Do your homework,” Sioux noted. “Find out who’s been successful. Follow them. Talk to them, ask them questions. If you don’t understand something, ask it again. A lot of people that are in this for a year are suddenly experts. It really doesn’t work that way. To me, I always say, find somebody you admire that you want to resemble, to present yourself like, and watch them.</p>
<p class="Body">“I love to help new people. To mentor people. I was judging last year at a Boxer specialty and I asked a young lady to come talk to me because I wanted to know who was helping her, who had been guiding her. The young lady said no one. Two years this young lady had been showing her dog and no one tried to help her. I got ahold of a couple people and told them ‘I’m assigning you this young lady. She’s very interested and nobody is helping her.’ It is amazing she was still plugging away.”</p>

<h2>THE NEXT JANE AND ANNIE?</h2>
<p class="Body">Reflecting on the rising interest in performance events, Sioux noted that her mother, Jane, got started in dogs when she was 16 years old and took her Airedale to an obedience class. It was there Jane met her lifetime best friend, Anne Rogers Clark.</p>
<p class="Body">And who are the next Janey and Annie? Sioux observed that purebred dogs have some very talented women rising through the ranks.</p>
<p class="Body">“Katie Shepherd Bernardin, Angie Lloyd, Laura King, Laurie Jordan…. I don’t think it’s all about winning,” Sioux said. “It has a lot to do with the person you are. The way you help and teach and share your knowledge. If we don’t share our knowledge it’s going to be lost. I don’t understand not wanting to share knowledge. It helps everybody. It helps you to give it away. It helps others that look up to you.”</p>
<p class="Body">“One thing my father always taught me,” Sioux reminisced, “is that you’re no better than anyone else, you’re just you. You may be different, but you’re not any better.”</p>

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Laura: Pure dog talk is the voice of purebred dogs. We talked to the legends of the sport and give you the tips and tools to create an awesome life with your purebred dog. As strong supporters of the American Kennel Club, we talk about everything from confirmation to preservation, breeding from competitive obedience to field work, from agility to therapy, dogs, and all the fun in between. Your passion is our purpose. Tremendous thanks to our sponsor, Royal Canin. Every day more top breeders are choosing Royal Canin. Join the winning team.
Laura: Okay, crew, before we get into today's show, I am super excited to tell you about something new here at Pure Dog Talk. We know breeders are the lifeblood of our sport. We celebrate and honor our master breeders, so we're bringing you Breeders Voice. Breeders Voice sits down with top breeders, sharing their secrets, how they got where they are, the joys, and maybe even the heartbreaks. If you haven't had a chance, click the don't miss an episode button so you'll get these in depth articles delivered free along with your podcast. Sign up on our facebook page, or at puredogtalk.com.
Dog: Bark, Bark!
Laura: Welcome to pure dog talk. I'm your host, Laura Reeves. I am so honored to be joined again by Sioux Forsyth in part two of this conversation that we had. Sioux is talking with us today about the knowledge that she acquired as the child of one of the profoundly legendary couples of purebred dogs, Jane and Robert Forsyth. From showing dogs in proper condition, to the transition from handling to judging, and spoiler alert, she gives us her thoughts on some of our future legends.
Dog: Bark, Bark!
Sioux: So you were raised by the best in the sport and you know what top condition looks like. You understand the importance of this and I would love to have you pass on that wisdom about what proper condition is and isn't. I can remember having an Akita client many years ago whose dog had gotten a hotspot smack in the middle of the top of his head between his ears. They were quite insistent that I should show this dog to Michelle BIllings of all people. And I said "nahhh...no".
New Speaker: Yeah, probably not a great idea. First of all, and I don't understand this form of thinking that... oh, we can't let our Great Danes because they'll hurt themselves. Well, what were they bred to do? They were bred to run after and take down wild boar. Laying on the couch is not the best thing for any animal or human in my opinion. So our dogs, were always out in the paddock all day long. There were certain dogs that we'd road work - those that didn't really condition themselves. And we would always mix two Smooth Fox Terriers with each one of our Boxer bitches, because Boxer bitches are bone lazy and Smooth Fox Terriers are not at all.
Laura: No, not lazy.
Sioux: They would be just annoying enough to keep a boxer bitch real. So if they didn't self exercise, yes, we roadworked them, which meant using a bicycle and having them run next to a bicycle. Sometimes we used a car where somebody drove the car and then there was somebody sitting on the tailgate of the old station wagon as we went down the road, and later on in years we had the dog with dog type of thing. That was first and foremost.. that dogs had muscle and were kept in good weight. In my opinion, there was one breed in particular... we never showed a Boxer that had his ribs showing and now you see it every time you walk in the ring.
Laura: So...what are you judging now? What did you come in? What are you working toward on your own personal judging career?
Sioux: Well, I started with six breeds because, you know, it's not cheap to become a judge. And I wasn't sure... I could go one way or the other. My mother loved judging and lived for it. My father said, you gotta be kidding me!
Laura: He was the one with a sense of humor when I saw them. He was always laughing and made me laugh. Every time I saw him,
Sioux: My father had the best sense of humor to the very end, very dry. He was hilarious. And if you didn't know him, I think that's when people would be a little afraid of him, because he would come out with some remark and then just have this little tiny grin in the corner of his mouth and you would know he was kidding. Because if the grin wasn't there...you better run!
Sioux: So I started with six breeds, I started with pointers, which are the breed. I bred with my dad for 40 some odd years, and which I showed a ton of, especially for Ben and Barbara Zhan (Barben). Then I did Boxers, Great Danes and Newfoundlands -- all of which I showed a lot of. I really enjoyed those breeds. And then I also went for Cavalier King Charles and Junior Showmanship. So I could get some experience in different groups and see if I liked to judge and I do, I LOVE judging. With the people that come in my ring and we can laugh at ourselves and laugh at each other and have fun, which to me, a lot of people take this entirely too seriously or take themselves entirely too seriously. And it's just a dog show. There's gonna be another one tomorrow.
Laura: Exactly. We're not solving world peace here people.
Sioux: Exactly. And if it's not enjoyable and you're not having fun, what's the point? That's what this should be. It should be fun. Now... do you take your dog seriously? Do you work your hardest and present them at their very best? Absolutely. But it's not the end of the day if you lose, there's another one tomorrow and you'll get somebody else's opinion. So I love to judge and I'm working towards getting the working group first, and the sporting group will be second. It's not as easy as some would like to say because it's probably gonna take me about two and a half years to get one group.
Laura: Wow. It's definitely a difference from when your folks retired and started judging to today. Just the judge's approval process is radically different.
Sioux: Yes. Well we had a little tiff with the American Kennel Club when they first retired, because my parents refused to move away from the Kennel, even though the only dogs that were boarded at the Kennel were pets, none of them were show dogs. The AKC refused to give them a license for the first year of their retirement. But when they did give them a license, they each got a group. My mother got the sporting group, my father got the working group and they each got separate groups until they couldn't get separate groups anymore. And then they started doubling up. And I honestly don't remember how long it took either one of them to become all-arounders. My mother was the first one and that's mainly because they almost had to force my father to apply for the toy group. He said it was because those little old ladies scared him, which just goes to my father's personality.
Laura: Yes.
Sioux: It was interesting. I came across my father's letter from the American Kennel Club for all or part of the Non-Sporting Group -- and it seems to be the only letter of acceptance from the AKC. And this letter was in June 12, 1991. And they had retired 10 years previous to that.
Laura: Definitely the times they are a changing. But what would you say? Again, as someone with such depth and background, what's your best advice? What's your best advice for new People? People that are just getting started. People that don't have this history. What can we give them to bring that history forward?
Sioux: Talk to as many people in the breed that you are interested in as possible. Do your homework. Figure out who's been successful. Follow them. Talk to them. Ask them questions. If you don't understand something, ask it again. We have a lot of people that are in this for a year and suddenly they are experts, it really doesn't work that way. I just had a discussion about something in a standard that is unclear to some. Some people feel that it is a hound trait in a sporting breed, and I said, you know what, I need to talk to a geneticist, because I don't know. And if there's something wrong with continuing to learn and it happens to be a question about pointers, and it's been argued back and forth by all these people. So instead of not knowing. Go ask a genetic expert that can give you the absolute answer... and go from there and see what happens. So to me, always find somebody that you admire, that you want to with resemble or you want to present yourself like and WATCH THEM. I mean it makes me laugh. I've had a long time friend say to me... "Do you have any idea how long I watched you show dogs when you were a kid"? And I was like, uh, no.
Laura: Right, Right?
Sioux: But she became a great handler. She's now judging as well. It was just very flattering to me because I don't think of myself that way. I love to help new people, mentor people. I was judging last year and I did a Boxer specialty and Junior Handling, and this young lady walks in my ring, and she looked at me, and she was terrified. She had shown to me in Junior Showmanship and then again in the Specialty. I asked her during the regular breed judging... I said, would you please come talk to me after I'm done judging? So she and her grandmother came to me and the grandmother acted a little afraid, like there was something wrong when I asked her to talk. And I said..." Well, I asked her to come talk to me because I'd like to know who's helping you, who is guiding you along this journey in purebred dogs"?
Sioux: And the young lady looked at me and she said... no one. I said... "Okay, and how long have you been doing this"? And I'm thinking ...a couple months???. Two years this young lady had been showing her dog and no one tried to help her. I got a hold of the club president and another young lady that had used to show in Junior Showmanship that had gone on to working for him, whereas now she just shows dogs whenever, she did not make a career out of it. She has another career and I said, "The two of you, I'm assigning you this young lady because she's very interested in doing this and no one's helped her and it's amazing to me because she would still be plugging away at it when nobody's shown any interest".
Laura: But I think Sioux that is just so important and as people who have been in the sport for our lives, that's our job. And we should ALL be doing that. And if you're queen for the day, how are you growing our base? How are you advancing the sport?
Sioux: Exactly. My parents started a kennel club here in Pinehurst, Moore County Kennel Club of North Carolina. We have a Kennel Club meeting tonight. My husband is the president. I'm the secretary. We're trying to give back and get people involved. We have agility as well, which seems to have grown its own following and it's huge. We have two weekends of agility shows a year that are each four day weekends and it is to capacity every time we have a show.
Laura: So I mean that's kind of an interesting observation. Again, coming from your background really entirely in conformation, the rise of some of the, not non-competitive, but the performance events, right? Agility, scent work, all of that sort of thing. How do you see that? Do you see that helping save us? What do you make of that?
Sioux: Well, it's hard to say that it is helping save us because you don't have to have a pure bred dog to do the performance events. So I will give you a little background information that you may not know. That's how my mother got into dogs. She got an Airedale and started in obedience when she was 16.
Laura: That is awesome. And I have said this before, the number of really amazing dog people that get started because they got a dog and took it to obedience. I just think that's awesome.
Sioux: She showed the this Airedale in obedience and that's when she met Annie Clark.
Laura: Okay.
Sioux: Her best friend from the time they were 16 years old
Laura: When I was a kid, I didn't grow up on the east coast. I didn't have your bounty.
New Speaker: I grew up out here on the west coast and when I was a kid, there was "the troika" out here, that's what we called Annie, Janie and Mike. Right? Michelle Billings Ann Rogers Clark and Jane Forsyth -- that was the troika these were the three. These were our idols, these were our gods as little girls growing up in dogs.
Sioux: Oh yeah.
Laura: Because of their knowledge, because of their wisdom, because of their power...realistically. But I look at that, and I think ...you tell me? Who's coming up? Who's our next troika, if you will.
New Speaker: Oh God really? I don't know. We have some really talented ladies out there. Katie Shepherd Bernardin. Angie Lloyd. Laura King. Lori Jordan. And I don't think that it's all about winning. I think it has a lot to do with the person you are, the way you help others and teach others, share your knowledge. Because if we don't share our knowledge, it's going to be lost. And I really don't understand not wanting to share knowledge. I think it helps everybody. I think it helps you to give it away. It helps your self esteem. It helps others that they look up to you -- when they are like... WOW, she talked to me for five minutes. You know, what really baffles me because I just think I'm kind of a regular person and I really hope I never change that. That was the one thing my father always taught me...your no better than anybody else, you're just you, you might be different, but that doesn't make you any better. And to me that was one of the best life lessons I could learn.
Laura: That is awesome. Well, so I could literally sit here and talk to you all day. I thank you from the bottom of my heart and I think that the dog fancy thanks you as well... at least our listeners do.
Sioux: Thank you for having me. I was flattered when you asked me and I don't know if you would be interested, but I do have some recordings.
Laura: Yes.
Sioux: I have a pet connections talk from 2010.
Laura: Oh my gosh. Yes.
Sioux: Then I have Rick Rutledge.
Laura: Yes, yes. Somebody had mentioned some of the stuff that he had done. I just have never run across it. If you would be willing to ship that to me, we would love to include that on our website and offer it as an archive location for people to come in and listen to it. Thank you so much, Sioux, for joining us. I really, really appreciate your time.
Sioux: Well, thank you for having me.
Laura: Okay. Crew. We're all continually striving expert level,
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<h1 class="Body">DANA CLINE – 2018 JUDGE OF THE YEAR</h1>
<p class="Body">AKC judge and Great Dane breeder, <strong>Dana Cline,</strong> was voted by the purebred dog fancy as Judge of the Year in the Dog News/Purina awards announced Feb. 10, 2018.</p>

<h2>CLINE’S PASSION AS A CHILD</h2>
<p class="Body">Cline fell in love with his breed as a child “when the Great Dane was taller than I was.”</p>
<p class="Body">As a young boy, gardening and fishing were his past times and he wasn’t sure dogs were something he wanted in his life. Then his step dad took him to see a litter of Great Danes.</p>

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<p class="Body">“These two incredible creatures came trotting out of this back yard,” Cline said. “My life changed in that moment.</p>
<p class="Body">“We brought home a puppy. It wasn’t necessarily a show dog but I pretended like he was. I did 4-H with him. We practiced and I got better dogs. I was probably 11 or 12 years old. I’ve loved them ever since.</p>
<p class="Body">“4-H was so important as a young boy. (It) gave me the confidence to think I could go out and do something with this dog.”</p>
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<p class="Body">Cline credits Ray Cataldi of Rojon Great Danes with having the most influence on him as a boy. Edd Bivin, Michelle Billings and Frank Sabella form the powerful trifecta that encouraged, mentored and supported Cline’s dreams of “having fabulous Great Danes.”</p>
<p class="Body">His passion for the beauty of his breed and the purebred dog world drove him early on to success handling Great Danes and eventually all-breeds for about 20 years.</p>

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<h2 class="Body">TYPE IS ESSENTIAL</h2>
<p class="Body">Cline feels that one of the most important lessons from his mentors is that “type is essential.”</p>
<p class="Body">“(In Great Danes) a dog has to be beautiful. It has to stimulate your senses. Otherwise I don’t find value in them,” Cline opined. “I feel that the artistic expression and technical merit is where you begin to judge. A Great Dane, without a proper head, will never achieve greatness.</p>
<p class="Body">Movement is only a tie breaker. I absolutely want them to be beautiful in motion, but it doesn’t define them. The Great Dane must fill your senses and must stimulate you in its beauty. Its purpose is absolutely in its beauty. That’s just what I’m committed to.”</p>
<p class="Body">He also acknowledges that this same standard applies differently in different breeds.</p>
<p class="Body">“(For example) the Brittany is different. The standard describes a medium sized dog and fancy is not encouraged. Each breed needs to be judged on its standard,” Cline said.</p>

<h2 class="Body">JUDGING “HALLMARKS OF THE BREED”</h2>
<p class="Body">Judging dogs, for Cline, extends this understanding of looking for the “hallmarks of the breed.”</p>
<p class="Body">“A judge has to open themselves to accept the limitations and expectations of the breed specific things,” Cline said. “(I use examples of) the Doberman and Great Dane. (Some) judges have expectations of a Great Dane that aren’t realistic. They don’t always stop square and perfect. A Doberman is watchful and aware of its surroundings. You should expect that from them. (You have to be) willing to accept that performances are not all the same based upon the nature of the breed. I can’t expect a Tibetan Mastiff to stand there and use his ears for a piece of liver. It’s not what the breed does. You cannot add showmanship as bonus (to a dog in the ring) unless they have the other elements to go with it.</p>
<p class="Body">“I tolerate misbehavior. They’re dogs. If the dog gives an adequate performance for you to judge it, for me, it still can be the winner. One of the lesson Mrs. Billings always taught me was to ‘make the best dog win, within reason.’”</p>

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<h2 class="Body">DANA CLINE ON OWNER HANDLERS</h2>
<p class="Body">On the question of level playing fields and the OH vs PH debate, Cline is very emphatic.</p>

<blockquote>
<p class="Body">“There’s a clear path for (owner handlers) to be successful,” Cline said. “You have to want it enough. Hang in there. Keep the bar high. I came up through the ranks, not a real wealthy young man who had to spend every dime he had to be successful. I’m one of those stories that those folks should look at and say he did it. It can be done. I’m living proof.</p>
<p class="Body">“You don’t achieve high levels of success in anything without determined effort. I truly believe that it’s possible for anybody. It may not happen as often for one as another. But that does not exclude a person that works really hard and does it right. Especially in our sport. Everything is possible.</p>
<p class="Body">“There aren’t many sports that allow a 12 year old child to compete directly with a 35 year old professional in the sport. That alone is an opportunity to hobnob with those people all day long. There’s not a better opportunity if you are willing to learn. There are always people to learn from. You have to be willing to take advantage of it. That doesn’t mean go home after you lose your class of two dogs. Politics plays a very small part.</p>
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<p class="Body">“I think the owner handler should reach for the top. Never think they can’t get there. Every person that walks in the door at 8 a.m. should be able to dream that they could be a Best In Show winner today. If anything interferes with that dream, there is something wrong with the dog show. My dream was always to go Best In Show, but I’m ok if I win my class.”</p>
<p class="Body">“The sport has certainly changed,” Cline noted. “There are those of us that lived in a time when the sport was greatness. Big kennels, big breeders, the opportunities were just endless. We have to try and share that with people. It’s not the same as living it, but something to bring forward.”</p>
<p class="Body">“It’s how important it is to you and much you’re willing to give, how much you’re willing to put into it. I can’t think of anything else that would drive anyone to do this crazy sport. Just a whole lot of passion.”</p>
<p class="Body">“That (passion) is what drove me from the very minute I stepped out of the car and saw those dogs (as a kid).”</p>
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<h1 class="Body">DANA CLINE – 2018 JUDGE OF THE YEAR</h1>
<p class="Body">AKC judge and Great Dane breeder, <strong>Dana Cline,</strong> was voted by the purebred dog fancy as Judge of the Year in the Dog News/Purina awards announced Feb. 10, 2018.</p>

<h2>CLINE’S PASSION AS A CHILD</h2>
<p class="Body">Cline fell in love with his breed as a child “when the Great Dane was taller than I was.”</p>
<p class="Body">As a young boy, gardening and fishing were his past times and he wasn’t sure dogs were something he wanted in his life. Then his step dad took him to see a litter of Great Danes.</p>

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<p class="Body">“These two incredible creatures came trotting out of this back yard,” Cline said. “My life changed in that moment.</p>
<p class="Body">“We brought home a puppy. It wasn’t necessarily a show dog but I pretended like he was. I did 4-H with him. We practiced and I got better dogs. I was probably 11 or 12 years old. I’ve loved them ever since.</p>
<p class="Body">“4-H was so important as a young boy. (It) gave me the confidence to think I could go out and do something with this dog.”</p>
</blockquote>
<p class="Body">Cline credits Ray Cataldi of Rojon Great Danes with having the most influence on him as a boy. Edd Bivin, Michelle Billings and Frank Sabella form the powerful trifecta that encouraged, mentored and supported Cline’s dreams of “having fabulous Great Danes.”</p>
<p class="Body">His passion for the beauty of his breed and the purebred dog world drove him early on to success handling Great Danes and eventually all-breeds for about 20 years.</p>

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<h2 class="Body">TYPE IS ESSENTIAL</h2>
<p class="Body">Cline feels that one of the most important lessons from his mentors is that “type is essential.”</p>
<p class="Body">“(In Great Danes) a dog has to be beautiful. It has to stimulate your senses. Otherwise I don’t find value in them,” Cline opined. “I feel that the artistic expression and technical merit is where you begin to judge. A Great Dane, without a proper head, will never achieve greatness.</p>
<p class="Body">Movement is only a tie breaker. I absolutely want them to be beautiful in motion, but it doesn’t define them. The Great Dane must fill your senses and must stimulate you in its beauty. Its purpose is absolutely in its beauty. That’s just what I’m committed to.”</p>
<p class="Body">He also acknowledges that this same standard applies differently in different breeds.</p>
<p class="Body">“(For example) the Brittany is different. The standard describes a medium sized dog and fancy is not encouraged. Each breed needs to be judged on its standard,” Cline said.</p>

<h2 class="Body">JUDGING “HALLMARKS OF THE BREED”</h2>
<p class="Body">Judging dogs, for Cline, extends this understanding of looking for the “hallmarks of the breed.”</p>
<p class="Body">“A judge has to open themselves to accept the limitations and expectations of the breed specific things,” Cline said. “(I use examples of) the Doberman and Great Dane. (Some) judges have expectations of a Great Dane that aren’t realistic. They don’t always stop square and perfect. A Doberman is watchful and aware of its surroundings. You should expect that from them. (You have to be) willing to accept that performances are not all the same based upon the nature of the breed. I can’t expect a Tibetan Mastiff to stand there and use his ears for a piece of liver. It’s not what the breed does. You cannot add showmanship as bonus (to a dog in the ring) unless they have the other elements to go with it.</p>
<p class="Body">“I tolerate misbehavior. They’re dogs. If the dog gives an adequate performance for you to judge it, for me, it still can be the winner. One of the lesson Mrs. Billings always taught me was to ‘make the best dog win, within reason.’”</p>

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<h2 class="Body">DANA CLINE ON OWNER HANDLERS</h2>
<p class="Body">On the question of level playing fields and the OH vs PH debate, Cline is very emphatic.</p>

<blockquote>
<p class="Body">“There’s a clear path for (owner handlers) to be successful,” Cline said. “You have to want it enough. Hang in there. Keep the bar high. I came up through the ranks, not a real wealthy young man who had to spend every dime he had to be successful. I’m one of those stories that those folks should look at and say he did it. It can be done. I’m living proof.</p>
<p class="Body">“You don’t achieve high levels of success in anything without determined effort. I truly believe that it’s possible for anybody. It may not happen as often for one as another. But that does not exclude a person that works really hard and does it right. Especially in our sport. Everything is possible.</p>
<p class="Body">“There aren’t many sports that allow a 12 year old child to compete directly with a 35 year old professional in the sport. That alone is an opportunity to hobnob with those people all day long. There’s not a better opportunity if you are willing to learn. There are always people to learn from. You have to be willing to take advantage of it. That doesn’t mean go home after you lose your class of two dogs. Politics plays a very small part.</p>
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<p class="Body">“I think the owner handler should reach for the top. Never think they can’t get there. Every person that walks in the door at 8 a.m. should be able to dream that they could be a Best In Show winner today. If anything interferes with that dream, there is something wrong with the dog show. My dream was always to go Best In Show, but I’m ok if I win my class.”</p>
<p class="Body">“The sport has certainly changed,” Cline noted. “There are those of us that lived in a time when the sport was greatness. Big kennels, big breeders, the opportunities were just endless. We have to try and share that with people. It’s not the same as living it, but something to bring forward.”</p>
<p class="Body">“It’s how important it is to you and much you’re willing to give, how much you’re willing to put into it. I can’t think of anything else that would drive anyone to do this crazy sport. Just a whole lot of passion.”</p>
<p class="Body">“That (passion) is what drove me from the very minute I stepped out of the car and saw those dogs (as a kid).”</p>
<p class="Body"><span class="Hyperlink0"><a href="http://www.rojongreatdanes.com/danelinks.com/archive/featureinterview/cline/cline.htm">http://www.rojongreatdanes.com/danelinks.com/archive/featureinterview/cline/cline.htm</a></span></p>

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<h1>PEGGY BEISEL-MCILWAINE – JUDGING DOGS AS BREEDING STOCK</h1>
<strong>Peggy Beisel-McIlwaine</strong> was recently nominated for the third time as judge of the year by the ShowDog of the Year Committee.  A judge of four groups, Beisel-McIlwaine is well respected within the fancy for her over-arching mission to judge dogs as breeding stock. She’s judged the Garden, Montgomery and Great Western, as well as internationally. Her gentle hands on the dogs, discerning eye for a “good one” and her pleasant demeanor with exhibitors have made her a favorite.

Her first love, an Old English Sheepdog acquired after high school, eventually led Beisel-McIlwaine to work dog shows on weekends for Connie Gerstner (Miller). “I went to UWGreenBay. Eventually, I was going to classes less and less and dog shows more and more,” Beisel-McIlwaine said.

In the spring of 1977, at a local Wisconsin show, she encountered legendary dog man and Terrier handler George Ward. He was looking for full time help and Beisel-McIlwaine wanted to learn. “I never intending to be a professional handler, but I wanted to learn more about dogs and breedings. I fully intended to breed Old English Sheepdogs,” Beisel-McIlwaine said. She was impressed by the cleanliness and quality of his kennel and fell in love with Wire Fox Terriers. And, she says, she’s never looked back.
<blockquote>“It was great,” Beisel-McIlwaine said. “(Ward) had a special bond with the dogs. He said I was a great student because I didn’t have any bad habits to unlearn.

“I stayed until May 1980. George was not an easy person to work for. But I’m glad I learned terriers from him because I didn’t learn any short cuts. I don’t like to see terriers run in the ring. They’re not bred to be raced around the ring. To see proper movement, you need to see them at the right speed. I’m old school.</blockquote>
<h2>WHAT GEORGE WARD TAUGHT PEGGY:</h2>
<em>“George taught me three things when I first started working for him:</em>

* never keep your hands in your pocket, it makes you look like you’re not serious

* never chew gum in the ring

* talk to the dogs in the ring, don’t let them think they’re in there alone…. I like to see kids in Juniors talking to dogs in the ring
<h2>DOGS COME FIRST</h2>
“The kennels were clean. The dogs came first. We’d go to a show and if it was too hot, we went home. His clients understood that. Grooming and care of the dogs were number one.

He and Dick Cooper were good friends, so we were always set up together. I’d just sit there and soak up all the stories.

“I remember going to shows, playing cards and it was so much fun. I think we’re a little too stiff some times these days. You’ve gotta have a little fun. Maybe because of the PC attitude, we’ve taken some of the fun out of it.”
<h2>CAIRN TERRIERS AND SANDY MCILWAINE – FOXAIR KENNELS</h2>
When Beisel-McIlwaine left Ward’s employ, she married Cairn Terrier fancier Sandy McIlwaine. Together their Foxairn dogs have “finished a multitude of Cairns” and 15 homebred Wires. Foxairn has twice produced the number-one Cairn in the country, one of whom was a two-time national-specialty winner. Peggy was handling professionally and Sandy managed the kennel and the kids. “He was the original Mr. Mom,” she noted.

As her children grew up, Beisel-McIlwaine wanted to spend more time with them and less time on the road. So, she quit handling and started judging. “Family comes first. We had a couple slim years. But I was fortunate and I got the whole terrier group.”

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For our listeners who heard <a href="https://puredogtalk.com/dana-cline-2018-judge-of-the-year/">Dana Cline’s interview</a>, Beisel-McIlwaine’s comments on what makes a great dog will begin to sound familiar.
<blockquote>“You have to have the type,” Beisel-McIlwaine said. “Annie Clark said from the best type you pick the best movement. What makes a dog great is the showmanship. Now, I don’t want a bloodhound showing like a fox terrier. I want a bloodhound to be a bloodhound. Showmanship and character has to go along with the breed. But, for me, to be great the dogs also have to be able to produce. I think what we’re doing is judging breeding stock. We’ve had lots of top winning dogs, but when they also produce other top quality specimens, that’s when I call them great.”</blockquote>
<h2>FIVE ELEMENTS OF TYPE</h2>
Beisel-McIlwaine strongly recommends Ric Beauchamp’s book “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Solving-Mysteries-Breed-Type-Kennel/dp/1593786638">Solving the Mysteries of Breed Type</a>” and understanding the five elements of type.

“Type is spelled out in the standard,” Beisel-McIlwaine. “There is only one correct type, but there are elements of style. If you took every Best in Show winning Wire Fox Terrier from the last 20 years and put them in the ring, you’d see big differences… Spot On, Dominator, Lonesome Dove, Special Edition… They are all so different.”
<h2>SPARRING IN JUDGING TERRIERS</h2>
One of the lost arts of judging terriers, Beisel-McIlwaine contends, is sparring the dogs in the ring.
<blockquote>“(Sparring) is so important to do,” Beisel-McIlwaine said. “Especially when you have a nice group of terriers. It is NOT fighting, and not all breeds do it. It is showing the confidence. One of my favorite lines (from Wire Fox Terrier standard) is ‘on the tip toe of expectation.’ We want that fire. It’s trash talk, (the dog is saying) ‘I own this ring, I’m allowing you in this ring, but not for long’…</blockquote>
“Irish and Kerries are real tough…. they can set off real quick…. Cairns and Westies were bred to work together…but they won’t back down… Scotties want to do it all themselves.

“In (other countries) they won’t do it. It’s so frustrating. Instead of teaching people why we spar or dock or crop, we back down. We’re just saying, ’OK, it’s bad, we won’t do it anymore… you win.’ The Animal Rights people are taking control. There is nothing more beautiful than seeing two or three terriers standing their ground looking at each other, probably saying a few curse words and then walking away…

Beisel-McIlwaine worked with other judges at the Terrier Club of Michigan to create a “sparring seminar” that is available for purchase <a href="http://www.terrierclubofmi.org/dvd-articles--additional-links.html">here</a>. A discount is offered for judges who’d like to learn more about how to properly and safely spar dogs in their rings.
<h2>BEISEL-MCILWAINE’S ADVICE TO OWNER HANDLERS</h2>
Finally, Beisel-McIlwaine gives encouragement and a caution to owner handlers.

“Nowadays (with all the shows) I don’t know when handlers have time to get dogs properly trimmed,” Beisel-McIlwain said. “Owner Handler dogs are often in better condition. I think Owner Handlers can do it.

“But I get offended when people say they can’t. That judges only put up Professional Handlers. I’m sure there are those that don’t have confidence and they put up Professional Handlers. But I don’t think it’s fair to say Owner Handlers can’t compete. I know they get discouraged. The Owner Handled series is popular, but it’s sad they even had to do it.

“(Unfortunately) people aren’t coming up and asking for help. (People) are in it for five years and get out because they know everything. Most people are more than willing to help people out. But you have to be brave enough to ask. We do want the sport to succeed. I’m a huge proponent of bench shows. I think it’s sad to see them dying out. We’d sit and listen to people. Go over dogs. They’d show you how to examine the dogs, what to look for. Today, half of the people don’t stay past 6-9 puppy dog if they don’t win.”

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<h1>PEGGY BEISEL-MCILWAINE – JUDGING DOGS AS BREEDING STOCK</h1>
<strong>Peggy Beisel-McIlwaine</strong> was recently nominated for the third time as judge of the year by the ShowDog of the Year Committee.  A judge of four groups, Beisel-McIlwaine is well respected within the fancy for her over-arching mission to judge dogs as breeding stock. She’s judged the Garden, Montgomery and Great Western, as well as internationally. Her gentle hands on the dogs, discerning eye for a “good one” and her pleasant demeanor with exhibitors have made her a favorite.

Her first love, an Old English Sheepdog acquired after high school, eventually led Beisel-McIlwaine to work dog shows on weekends for Connie Gerstner (Miller). “I went to UWGreenBay. Eventually, I was going to classes less and less and dog shows more and more,” Beisel-McIlwaine said.

In the spring of 1977, at a local Wisconsin show, she encountered legendary dog man and Terrier handler George Ward. He was looking for full time help and Beisel-McIlwaine wanted to learn. “I never intending to be a professional handler, but I wanted to learn more about dogs and breedings. I fully intended to breed Old English Sheepdogs,” Beisel-McIlwaine said. She was impressed by the cleanliness and quality of his kennel and fell in love with Wire Fox Terriers. And, she says, she’s never looked back.
<blockquote>“It was great,” Beisel-McIlwaine said. “(Ward) had a special bond with the dogs. He said I was a great student because I didn’t have any bad habits to unlearn.

“I stayed until May 1980. George was not an easy person to work for. But I’m glad I learned terriers from him because I didn’t learn any short cuts. I don’t like to see terriers run in the ring. They’re not bred to be raced around the ring. To see proper movement, you need to see them at the right speed. I’m old school.</blockquote>
<h2>WHAT GEORGE WARD TAUGHT PEGGY:</h2>
<em>“George taught me three things when I first started working for him:</em>

* never keep your hands in your pocket, it makes you look like you’re not serious

* never chew gum in the ring

* talk to the dogs in the ring, don’t let them think they’re in there alone…. I like to see kids in Juniors talking to dogs in the ring
<h2>DOGS COME FIRST</h2>
“The kennels were clean. The dogs came first. We’d go to a show and if it was too hot, we went home. His clients understood that. Grooming and care of the dogs were number one.

He and Dick Cooper were good friends, so we were always set up together. I’d just sit there and soak up all the stories.

“I remember going to shows, playing cards and it was so much fun. I think we’re a little too stiff some times these days. You’ve gotta have a little fun. Maybe because of the PC attitude, we’ve taken some of the fun out of it.”
<h2>CAIRN TERRIERS AND SANDY MCILWAINE – FOXAIR KENNELS</h2>
When Beisel-McIlwaine left Ward’s employ, she married Cairn Terrier fancier Sandy McIlwaine. Together their Foxairn dogs have “finished a multitude of Cairns” and 15 homebred Wires. Foxairn has twice produced the number-one Cairn in the country, one of whom was a two-time national-specialty winner. Peggy was handling professionally and Sandy managed the kennel and the kids. “He was the original Mr. Mom,” she noted.

As her children grew up, Beisel-McIlwaine wanted to spend more time with them and less time on the road. So, she quit handling and started judging. “Family comes first. We had a couple slim years. But I was fortunate and I got the whole terrier group.”

&nbsp;

For our listeners who heard <a href="https://puredogtalk.com/dana-cline-2018-judge-of-the-year/">Dana Cline’s interview</a>, Beisel-McIlwaine’s comments on what makes a great dog will begin to sound familiar.
<blockquote>“You have to have the type,” Beisel-McIlwaine said. “Annie Clark said from the best type you pick the best movement. What makes a dog great is the showmanship. Now, I don’t want a bloodhound showing like a fox terrier. I want a bloodhound to be a bloodhound. Showmanship and character has to go along with the breed. But, for me, to be great the dogs also have to be able to produce. I think what we’re doing is judging breeding stock. We’ve had lots of top winning dogs, but when they also produce other top quality specimens, that’s when I call them great.”</blockquote>
<h2>FIVE ELEMENTS OF TYPE</h2>
Beisel-McIlwaine strongly recommends Ric Beauchamp’s book “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Solving-Mysteries-Breed-Type-Kennel/dp/1593786638">Solving the Mysteries of Breed Type</a>” and understanding the five elements of type.

“Type is spelled out in the standard,” Beisel-McIlwaine. “There is only one correct type, but there are elements of style. If you took every Best in Show winning Wire Fox Terrier from the last 20 years and put them in the ring, you’d see big differences… Spot On, Dominator, Lonesome Dove, Special Edition… They are all so different.”
<h2>SPARRING IN JUDGING TERRIERS</h2>
One of the lost arts of judging terriers, Beisel-McIlwaine contends, is sparring the dogs in the ring.
<blockquote>“(Sparring) is so important to do,” Beisel-McIlwaine said. “Especially when you have a nice group of terriers. It is NOT fighting, and not all breeds do it. It is showing the confidence. One of my favorite lines (from Wire Fox Terrier standard) is ‘on the tip toe of expectation.’ We want that fire. It’s trash talk, (the dog is saying) ‘I own this ring, I’m allowing you in this ring, but not for long’…</blockquote>
“Irish and Kerries are real tough…. they can set off real quick…. Cairns and Westies were bred to work together…but they won’t back down… Scotties want to do it all themselves.

“In (other countries) they won’t do it. It’s so frustrating. Instead of teaching people why we spar or dock or crop, we back down. We’re just saying, ’OK, it’s bad, we won’t do it anymore… you win.’ The Animal Rights people are taking control. There is nothing more beautiful than seeing two or three terriers standing their ground looking at each other, probably saying a few curse words and then walking away…

Beisel-McIlwaine worked with other judges at the Terrier Club of Michigan to create a “sparring seminar” that is available for purchase <a href="http://www.terrierclubofmi.org/dvd-articles--additional-links.html">here</a>. A discount is offered for judges who’d like to learn more about how to properly and safely spar dogs in their rings.
<h2>BEISEL-MCILWAINE’S ADVICE TO OWNER HANDLERS</h2>
Finally, Beisel-McIlwaine gives encouragement and a caution to owner handlers.

“Nowadays (with all the shows) I don’t know when handlers have time to get dogs properly trimmed,” Beisel-McIlwain said. “Owner Handler dogs are often in better condition. I think Owner Handlers can do it.

“But I get offended when people say they can’t. That judges only put up Professional Handlers. I’m sure there are those that don’t have confidence and they put up Professional Handlers. But I don’t think it’s fair to say Owner Handlers can’t compete. I know they get discouraged. The Owner Handled series is popular, but it’s sad they even had to do it.

“(Unfortunately) people aren’t coming up and asking for help. (People) are in it for five years and get out because they know everything. Most people are more than willing to help people out. But you have to be brave enough to ask. We do want the sport to succeed. I’m a huge proponent of bench shows. I think it’s sad to see them dying out. We’d sit and listen to people. Go over dogs. They’d show you how to examine the dogs, what to look for. Today, half of the people don’t stay past 6-9 puppy dog if they don’t win.”

</div>
</div>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/peggy-beisel-mcilwaine]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=3895</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2018 16:29:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/09c7a834-d0de-4aac-a60b-a61aa486a864/peggy-beiselmcilwaine-interview.mp3" length="29397105" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>30:37</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>168 – Breeder Education Advocate Claudia Orlandi Shares Knowledge</title><itunes:title>168 – Breeder Education Advocate Claudia Orlandi Shares Knowledge</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>CLAUDIA ORLANDI ON EDUCATION AND DOG BREEDING</h1>
<div class="mceTemp"><strong><a href="https://topsfieldbassets.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>Claudia</em> <em>Orlandi</em></a><em>,</em></strong> Topsfield Basset Hounds, was the 2009 Breeder of the Year, but her contributions to purebred dogs are far greater than an award. She has spent years dedicated to developing, publishing and presenting live education resources for breeders. Her <a href="https://shop.akc.org/products/abcs-of-dog-breeding-what-every-breeder-should-know" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><span class="s1"><em>ABC’s of Dog Breeding</em></span></a> and <a href="https://shop.akc.org/products/practical-canine-anatomy-movement-for-judges-and-breeders" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><span class="s1"><em>Practical Canine Anatomy</em></span></a> books are tremendous resources for all breeders, exhibitors and judges. So much so, that AKC has incorporated them into their<em> <a href="http://caninechronicle.com/current-articles/famed-dog-author-shares-books-with-new-akc-breeder-education-effort/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><span class="s1">AKC Canine College</span></a></em> education program.</div>
<div id="attachment_5196" class="wp-caption alignleft"></div>
<h2>AN EARLY “EYE FOR A DOG”</h2>
<p class="p1"><span class="s2">Orlandi grew up with miniature and standard Poodles, but her first show dog was a Saint Bernard from Betty Roberts. When her family visited the breeder to pick a puppy, somehow the divider between the “show” dogs and the “pet” dogs had fallen down. With an “eye for a dog” at even an early age, the puppy her family chose led Orlandi into a life of dog shows. Eventually, shown by Bob Forsyth, that Saint Bernard became a Best in Show Winner.</span></p>

<blockquote>
<p class="p1"><span class="s2">“…structure and performance or, form following function, are the key characteristics of breed type and are what distinguish one breed from another.”</span></p>
</blockquote>
<p class="p3"><span class="s2">Horses and dogs were a passion she shared with her first husband, Dom. They acquired their first Basset Hound from a pack in Vermont. There they learned the functional aspect of their hound by following the pack on rabbit hunts. Orlandi now lives part-time in Spain, where she had just returned from a month of hunting with her hounds when we spoke for this interview.</span></p>

<blockquote>
<p class="p3"><span class="s2">“… I have to say that having had the experience of hunting with Emma (her first Basset) was a great starting point for really understanding the basset hound breed,” Orlandi said. “…structure and performance or, form following function, are the key characteristics of breed type and are what distinguish one breed from another.”</span></p>
</blockquote>
<p class="p3"><span class="s2">Orlandi attributes much of her knowledge of anatomy and animal husbandry to the 4-H program. In her shout out to the horse 4-H program she noted, “We had to pass difficult written and hands on tests on equine anatomy and movement, in addition to giving presentations and learning animal husbandry. All of this knowledge relating to horses, I was easily able to apply to breeding and showing dogs.”</span></p>
<p class="p3"><span class="s2">But as she progressed in her breeding program, she came to understand that other breeders didn’t have the same good fortune.</span></p>
<p class="p3"><span class="s2">“If we to learn about photography we can go to photography school,” Orlandi said. “If you want to become better cooks, we can take cooking classes. But at that time, we really didn’t have anything comparable if we wanted to learn to become better breeders.”</span></p>
<p class="p3"><span class="s2">Knowledge is power, Orlandi noted, in everything that we do. So, she began to develop her education programs and books, including the fabulous Basset Hound University program she created and has shared with other Parent Clubs. She insists that breeders can be successful with some basic information to help them move forward.</span></p>
<p class="p3"><span class="s2">Some of her best recommendations?</span></p>

<ul>
 	<li class="p3"><span class="s2">…the concept of preservation breeding is an extremely important topic that deserves our ongoing support and attention.</span></li>
 	<li class="p3"><span class="s2">…one of the biggest myths is the belief that because breeding revolves around chance and randomness applying genetic principles won’t make a difference. Nothing could be farther from the truth. In reality, it’s very unlikely that a breeder can consistently produce healthy, quality dogs in which every generation the dogs are better than they were in the previous generations, without understanding how traits are passed from one generation to the next.</span></li>
 	<li class="p3"><span class="s2">…don’t purchase a bitch younger than 12 to 18 months. If you get a bitch much younger than this, they have not been able to do enough health tests and body structure might still be developing.</span></li>
 	<li class="p3"><span class="s2">…I think it’s really difficult, in a way, to find a good person to work with in a breeding program or to find a mentor. Because in a way it’s kind of like a marriage. I think you have to be psychologically compatible and you have to have a lot of the same goals and the same beliefs in common.</span></li>
 	<li class="p3"><span class="s2">… a few decades ago if people were honest about health problems they are absolutely shunned, many times, by their peers. Talking about health was considered taboo. Nowadays, we understand much more about controlling canine genetic disease and we know that if we’re honest about the health problems, about who the affected dogs are in our pedigrees we can control health problems in our breeding program very, very easily. But it all revolves around being honest.</span></li>
</ul><br/>
<p class="p3"><span class="s2">Please enjoy my visit with this legendary advocate for breeder education in purebred dogs.</span></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>CLAUDIA ORLANDI ON EDUCATION AND DOG BREEDING</h1>
<div class="mceTemp"><strong><a href="https://topsfieldbassets.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>Claudia</em> <em>Orlandi</em></a><em>,</em></strong> Topsfield Basset Hounds, was the 2009 Breeder of the Year, but her contributions to purebred dogs are far greater than an award. She has spent years dedicated to developing, publishing and presenting live education resources for breeders. Her <a href="https://shop.akc.org/products/abcs-of-dog-breeding-what-every-breeder-should-know" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><span class="s1"><em>ABC’s of Dog Breeding</em></span></a> and <a href="https://shop.akc.org/products/practical-canine-anatomy-movement-for-judges-and-breeders" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><span class="s1"><em>Practical Canine Anatomy</em></span></a> books are tremendous resources for all breeders, exhibitors and judges. So much so, that AKC has incorporated them into their<em> <a href="http://caninechronicle.com/current-articles/famed-dog-author-shares-books-with-new-akc-breeder-education-effort/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><span class="s1">AKC Canine College</span></a></em> education program.</div>
<div id="attachment_5196" class="wp-caption alignleft"></div>
<h2>AN EARLY “EYE FOR A DOG”</h2>
<p class="p1"><span class="s2">Orlandi grew up with miniature and standard Poodles, but her first show dog was a Saint Bernard from Betty Roberts. When her family visited the breeder to pick a puppy, somehow the divider between the “show” dogs and the “pet” dogs had fallen down. With an “eye for a dog” at even an early age, the puppy her family chose led Orlandi into a life of dog shows. Eventually, shown by Bob Forsyth, that Saint Bernard became a Best in Show Winner.</span></p>

<blockquote>
<p class="p1"><span class="s2">“…structure and performance or, form following function, are the key characteristics of breed type and are what distinguish one breed from another.”</span></p>
</blockquote>
<p class="p3"><span class="s2">Horses and dogs were a passion she shared with her first husband, Dom. They acquired their first Basset Hound from a pack in Vermont. There they learned the functional aspect of their hound by following the pack on rabbit hunts. Orlandi now lives part-time in Spain, where she had just returned from a month of hunting with her hounds when we spoke for this interview.</span></p>

<blockquote>
<p class="p3"><span class="s2">“… I have to say that having had the experience of hunting with Emma (her first Basset) was a great starting point for really understanding the basset hound breed,” Orlandi said. “…structure and performance or, form following function, are the key characteristics of breed type and are what distinguish one breed from another.”</span></p>
</blockquote>
<p class="p3"><span class="s2">Orlandi attributes much of her knowledge of anatomy and animal husbandry to the 4-H program. In her shout out to the horse 4-H program she noted, “We had to pass difficult written and hands on tests on equine anatomy and movement, in addition to giving presentations and learning animal husbandry. All of this knowledge relating to horses, I was easily able to apply to breeding and showing dogs.”</span></p>
<p class="p3"><span class="s2">But as she progressed in her breeding program, she came to understand that other breeders didn’t have the same good fortune.</span></p>
<p class="p3"><span class="s2">“If we to learn about photography we can go to photography school,” Orlandi said. “If you want to become better cooks, we can take cooking classes. But at that time, we really didn’t have anything comparable if we wanted to learn to become better breeders.”</span></p>
<p class="p3"><span class="s2">Knowledge is power, Orlandi noted, in everything that we do. So, she began to develop her education programs and books, including the fabulous Basset Hound University program she created and has shared with other Parent Clubs. She insists that breeders can be successful with some basic information to help them move forward.</span></p>
<p class="p3"><span class="s2">Some of her best recommendations?</span></p>

<ul>
 	<li class="p3"><span class="s2">…the concept of preservation breeding is an extremely important topic that deserves our ongoing support and attention.</span></li>
 	<li class="p3"><span class="s2">…one of the biggest myths is the belief that because breeding revolves around chance and randomness applying genetic principles won’t make a difference. Nothing could be farther from the truth. In reality, it’s very unlikely that a breeder can consistently produce healthy, quality dogs in which every generation the dogs are better than they were in the previous generations, without understanding how traits are passed from one generation to the next.</span></li>
 	<li class="p3"><span class="s2">…don’t purchase a bitch younger than 12 to 18 months. If you get a bitch much younger than this, they have not been able to do enough health tests and body structure might still be developing.</span></li>
 	<li class="p3"><span class="s2">…I think it’s really difficult, in a way, to find a good person to work with in a breeding program or to find a mentor. Because in a way it’s kind of like a marriage. I think you have to be psychologically compatible and you have to have a lot of the same goals and the same beliefs in common.</span></li>
 	<li class="p3"><span class="s2">… a few decades ago if people were honest about health problems they are absolutely shunned, many times, by their peers. Talking about health was considered taboo. Nowadays, we understand much more about controlling canine genetic disease and we know that if we’re honest about the health problems, about who the affected dogs are in our pedigrees we can control health problems in our breeding program very, very easily. But it all revolves around being honest.</span></li>
</ul><br/>
<p class="p3"><span class="s2">Please enjoy my visit with this legendary advocate for breeder education in purebred dogs.</span></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/168-breeder-education-advocate-claudia-orlandi-shares-knowledge]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=3926</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2018 16:12:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c2655cd9-9aa2-4192-8822-eea089a1407f/claudia-orlandi-interview.mp3" length="25023991" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>26:04</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>170 – Ann Yuhasz, Four Generation Family of Dog Breeders</title><itunes:title>170 – Ann Yuhasz, Four Generation Family of Dog Breeders</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>ANN YUHASZ, FOUR GENERATION FAMILY OF DOG BREEDERS</h1>
We talk a lot about pedigrees in dogs, but AKC Judge Ann Yuhasz and her family have been involved in dogs, specifically English Setters, since the 1960s. Yuhasz noted that starting with her mother, to herself, to her daughter, to now her granddaughter, purebred dogs are an inextricable part of their “family DNA.”
<h2>SPECIAL RELATIONSHIPS</h2>
Yuhasz shares memories of her mother, Nancy Frey, and her daughter, Rebecca, and the special relationships the purebred dog world has brought her
<div id="attachment_5235" class="wp-caption alignleft">
<p class="wp-caption-text"><em>“</em>It was unbelievably valuable,” Yuhasz said. “(Mother and I) had such a very special relationship. I understood what she was doing. She understood what I was doing and it was remarkable…. she was my best friend. She really was. And there’s a big hole when your best friend has gone. And still to this day I sometimes think she’s sitting on my shoulder laughing at me for whatever I’m doing.”</p>

</div>
She also discusses the challenges and rewards of judging the sporting group, a numerically large, diverse group of dogs used for every type of bird hunting.

“…the sporting group is basically pointers, setters, retrievers and spaniels. … those four are very different, yet very much alike. They all hunt. They all should hunt. They all should be made so they can hunt. And if you can keep that in mind when you judge them then you should be okay.”

While English Setters were her family’s lifetime passion, Yuhasz spent a number of years working with Flat Coated Retrievers. They aren’t black Golden Retrievers, although they are considered the progenitor breed of the Golden Retriever.
<blockquote>“…the Flat Coat is essentially a pickup dog,” Yuhasz said. “He sat there all day while they shot and then he went out with his buddies and cleaned the field. That’s what he did. And he’s a very, very sweet creature. They are very touchy-feely, they want to be with you, they make lousy kennel dogs but they are very unique. Their head property is so different and so hard to find correctly.”
<h2>PASSION FOR BREEDING AND JUDGING</h2>
Yuhasz brings passion and excitement to her love of dogs, of breeding, of judging.</blockquote>
“That’s how I feel about some of these dogs,” Yuhasz added. “I can’t wait to get my hands on them, you know? I mean, Good Heavens. So that’s what judging’s all about – getting your hands on wonderful dogs and admiring what somebody has done.

“If you can get a litter with one good specimen – my goodness that’s terrific! If you can get a bunch of good specimens, how fabulous is that? How lucky you are! The genes just fell just the right way. You got the things you were looking for, and I think as breeders you’ve got to have a pattern … you’ve got to know where to go how to go and you have to be hard on yourself. You’ve gotta say, ‘Mmm, that isn’t it.’”
<blockquote>I hope you enjoy my talk with Ann and that her passion can inspire you as much as it did me!</blockquote>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>ANN YUHASZ, FOUR GENERATION FAMILY OF DOG BREEDERS</h1>
We talk a lot about pedigrees in dogs, but AKC Judge Ann Yuhasz and her family have been involved in dogs, specifically English Setters, since the 1960s. Yuhasz noted that starting with her mother, to herself, to her daughter, to now her granddaughter, purebred dogs are an inextricable part of their “family DNA.”
<h2>SPECIAL RELATIONSHIPS</h2>
Yuhasz shares memories of her mother, Nancy Frey, and her daughter, Rebecca, and the special relationships the purebred dog world has brought her
<div id="attachment_5235" class="wp-caption alignleft">
<p class="wp-caption-text"><em>“</em>It was unbelievably valuable,” Yuhasz said. “(Mother and I) had such a very special relationship. I understood what she was doing. She understood what I was doing and it was remarkable…. she was my best friend. She really was. And there’s a big hole when your best friend has gone. And still to this day I sometimes think she’s sitting on my shoulder laughing at me for whatever I’m doing.”</p>

</div>
She also discusses the challenges and rewards of judging the sporting group, a numerically large, diverse group of dogs used for every type of bird hunting.

“…the sporting group is basically pointers, setters, retrievers and spaniels. … those four are very different, yet very much alike. They all hunt. They all should hunt. They all should be made so they can hunt. And if you can keep that in mind when you judge them then you should be okay.”

While English Setters were her family’s lifetime passion, Yuhasz spent a number of years working with Flat Coated Retrievers. They aren’t black Golden Retrievers, although they are considered the progenitor breed of the Golden Retriever.
<blockquote>“…the Flat Coat is essentially a pickup dog,” Yuhasz said. “He sat there all day while they shot and then he went out with his buddies and cleaned the field. That’s what he did. And he’s a very, very sweet creature. They are very touchy-feely, they want to be with you, they make lousy kennel dogs but they are very unique. Their head property is so different and so hard to find correctly.”
<h2>PASSION FOR BREEDING AND JUDGING</h2>
Yuhasz brings passion and excitement to her love of dogs, of breeding, of judging.</blockquote>
“That’s how I feel about some of these dogs,” Yuhasz added. “I can’t wait to get my hands on them, you know? I mean, Good Heavens. So that’s what judging’s all about – getting your hands on wonderful dogs and admiring what somebody has done.

“If you can get a litter with one good specimen – my goodness that’s terrific! If you can get a bunch of good specimens, how fabulous is that? How lucky you are! The genes just fell just the right way. You got the things you were looking for, and I think as breeders you’ve got to have a pattern … you’ve got to know where to go how to go and you have to be hard on yourself. You’ve gotta say, ‘Mmm, that isn’t it.’”
<blockquote>I hope you enjoy my talk with Ann and that her passion can inspire you as much as it did me!</blockquote>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/170-ann-yuhasz-four-generation-family-of-dog-breeders-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=3933</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2018 14:37:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d6050e66-5f55-4dee-a7fe-405dfb025a17/ann-yuhasz-interview.mp3" length="28062131" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>29:14</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>173 – Dreamland Chow Chows “Show Ring is Mirror of the Whelping Box”</title><itunes:title>173 – Dreamland Chow Chows “Show Ring is Mirror of the Whelping Box”</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Chow Chow Breeder/Handler Shares His Story</h1>
Michael &amp; Linda <strong>Brantley</strong> were AKC’s Non-Sporting Breeders of The Year in 2013 for their <a href="http://dreamlandkennel.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Dreamland</a> Chow Chows. Michael is a professional handler, member of the Professional Handlers Association, and has shown top ranked, multiple Best in Show winners in numerous breeds.
<h2>Breeding is the Art</h2>
“Still, the breeding is very important to me,” Brantley said, “probably more so than the handling. The handling is more the game, but the breeding is the art.”

While Michael says he’s never actually counted, Dreamland Chow Chows have produced more than 200 champions in last 40-plus years.

Brantley’s folks started in Pekingese and were breeding and showing them when he was born. His family acquired their first Chow Chow when Michael was in grade school and never looked back.

The first time Brantley was paid to show a dog, he was thrilled to realize he could “support his habit” with handling.

<em>“</em>I’ve been handling full-time for 40 something years,” Brantley said. “So that ended up (going) from a hobby to a career.”

To this day, handling and breeding, for Brantley, work hand in glove.
<blockquote><em>“</em> I think the handling of the other breeds has really helped me understand my breed better,” Brantley said. “It helped me understand structure and function tremendously. More than if I had just stuck with my breed and not sat around and watched these other dogs show or learn the standards of them before I showed the dogs. So, it’s been a double edged thing there where it’s taught me a lot.”</blockquote>
But the hobby, the breeding piece, remains the most compelling for Brantley.
<h5>“The show ring is just a mirror of the whelping box,” Brantley observed.</h5>
<blockquote><em>“… </em>maybe 20-25 percent of the dogs that we breed will end up in the show ring,” he added. “Maybe. So, the rest of those dogs are going to go as companions to people. And in a breed that is very strong willed, very independent like Chow’s are, like our Tibetan Mastiffs are as well<em>, i</em>t’s extremely important to have that proper temperament to where they end up as being great pets for somebody.

<em>“</em>They think for themselves. They’re happy you’re there, but they would rather go out by themselves. So, you’ve got to learn how to deal with that and it’s not something you learn overnight and it’s something that you’ve got to figure out.”</blockquote>
I hope you enjoy this great Talk with a man who brings a wealth of knowledge and wisdom.

And don’t forget to stick around for <strong>Allison Foley</strong>’s Tip of the Week on how to manage the male dog’s performance when bitches in season are in the ring.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Chow Chow Breeder/Handler Shares His Story</h1>
Michael &amp; Linda <strong>Brantley</strong> were AKC’s Non-Sporting Breeders of The Year in 2013 for their <a href="http://dreamlandkennel.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Dreamland</a> Chow Chows. Michael is a professional handler, member of the Professional Handlers Association, and has shown top ranked, multiple Best in Show winners in numerous breeds.
<h2>Breeding is the Art</h2>
“Still, the breeding is very important to me,” Brantley said, “probably more so than the handling. The handling is more the game, but the breeding is the art.”

While Michael says he’s never actually counted, Dreamland Chow Chows have produced more than 200 champions in last 40-plus years.

Brantley’s folks started in Pekingese and were breeding and showing them when he was born. His family acquired their first Chow Chow when Michael was in grade school and never looked back.

The first time Brantley was paid to show a dog, he was thrilled to realize he could “support his habit” with handling.

<em>“</em>I’ve been handling full-time for 40 something years,” Brantley said. “So that ended up (going) from a hobby to a career.”

To this day, handling and breeding, for Brantley, work hand in glove.
<blockquote><em>“</em> I think the handling of the other breeds has really helped me understand my breed better,” Brantley said. “It helped me understand structure and function tremendously. More than if I had just stuck with my breed and not sat around and watched these other dogs show or learn the standards of them before I showed the dogs. So, it’s been a double edged thing there where it’s taught me a lot.”</blockquote>
But the hobby, the breeding piece, remains the most compelling for Brantley.
<h5>“The show ring is just a mirror of the whelping box,” Brantley observed.</h5>
<blockquote><em>“… </em>maybe 20-25 percent of the dogs that we breed will end up in the show ring,” he added. “Maybe. So, the rest of those dogs are going to go as companions to people. And in a breed that is very strong willed, very independent like Chow’s are, like our Tibetan Mastiffs are as well<em>, i</em>t’s extremely important to have that proper temperament to where they end up as being great pets for somebody.

<em>“</em>They think for themselves. They’re happy you’re there, but they would rather go out by themselves. So, you’ve got to learn how to deal with that and it’s not something you learn overnight and it’s something that you’ve got to figure out.”</blockquote>
I hope you enjoy this great Talk with a man who brings a wealth of knowledge and wisdom.

And don’t forget to stick around for <strong>Allison Foley</strong>’s Tip of the Week on how to manage the male dog’s performance when bitches in season are in the ring.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/dreamland-chow-chows-show-ring-is-mirror-of-the-whelping-box]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=3943</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2018 13:45:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/cd64ea9e-b792-4dbd-9199-7ff7b0df0195/michael-brantley-interview.mp3" length="29504932" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>30:44</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>174 – 65-Year Love Affair Started with a Brittany</title><itunes:title>174 – 65-Year Love Affair Started with a Brittany</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>65-Year Love Affair Started with a Brittany</h1>
When <strong>Loraine Boutwell</strong> and her husband, Victor, acquired their first Brittany in 1953 they paid $35. The puppy traveled by train from Oklahoma to Topeka, Kansas in what Loraine describes as something like a wooden orange crate

Victor Boutwell, who passed away in 2003, owned a Brittany as his hunting dog when the couple began dating. Eventually they attended field trials and Loraine says she loved watching the dogs work. She fell in love with one of the field trial champions and decided they needed one of his puppies. According to Loraine, Victor said it was her idea, so she had to pay for it!

&nbsp;
<h2>Beautiful Field Trial Brittany Goes to the Dog Show</h2>
The Boutwells were smitten with their new puppy and decided she was so beautiful they had to take her to a dog show. Thus

began their long history with the <a href="http://www.heartofamericakc.org/history.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Heart of America</a> Kennel Club and love affair with dog shows.

From breeding a champion in every group to handling all-breeds, from active all-breed club involvement to judging six groups, Loraine has been long involved in every aspect of the sport.

She said sound, correct movement remains her top priority in any of the breeds she judges.
<blockquote><em>“… </em>when a dog comes in, I don’t want to see them stacked first,” Boutwell said. “… I’d rather see them moving. And I have them come in one at a time. And I spend quite a bit of time, I usually watch them go almost all the way around… And then I think this is a quality class or I’m going to have to work at this. I have a clue from just going around what kind of quality I have. And then I’ll think, well I have about five dogs there that are just wonderful. And one I’m going to have to move several times because the owner is new. And we can spot it right away. Because you want to evaluate that dog, even though the person may be not a wonderful handler, but you want to be able to evaluate that dog as best you can.”</blockquote>
Boutwell still retains the love for performance work that was sparked in a young woman’s heart so many years ago.
<h6>“I just love to see the dogs work doing what they were bred to do. That, to me, is icing on the cake if they can do that,” Boutwell said. “If they win their championship that’s perfect but they’ve got to be able to do what they were bred to do.”</h6>
Loraine and Victor Boutwell celebrated their 50<sup>th</sup> wedding anniversary the year before Victor passed away. Purebred dogs were their lives, Loraine said.
<blockquote><em>“</em>I’ve been judging for 38 years,” Boutwell said. “And they’ve been wonderful and if I had had any idea that I would still be judging now, at my age I would say ‘oh no no. Couldn’t do it.’ Well I am. And I’m loving it. I had to cut back, but I still want to do it. I still want to be able to judge.”</blockquote>
I hope you enjoy this delightful conversation with one of our sport’s most enduring and charming participants. I know I did!]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>65-Year Love Affair Started with a Brittany</h1>
When <strong>Loraine Boutwell</strong> and her husband, Victor, acquired their first Brittany in 1953 they paid $35. The puppy traveled by train from Oklahoma to Topeka, Kansas in what Loraine describes as something like a wooden orange crate

Victor Boutwell, who passed away in 2003, owned a Brittany as his hunting dog when the couple began dating. Eventually they attended field trials and Loraine says she loved watching the dogs work. She fell in love with one of the field trial champions and decided they needed one of his puppies. According to Loraine, Victor said it was her idea, so she had to pay for it!

&nbsp;
<h2>Beautiful Field Trial Brittany Goes to the Dog Show</h2>
The Boutwells were smitten with their new puppy and decided she was so beautiful they had to take her to a dog show. Thus

began their long history with the <a href="http://www.heartofamericakc.org/history.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Heart of America</a> Kennel Club and love affair with dog shows.

From breeding a champion in every group to handling all-breeds, from active all-breed club involvement to judging six groups, Loraine has been long involved in every aspect of the sport.

She said sound, correct movement remains her top priority in any of the breeds she judges.
<blockquote><em>“… </em>when a dog comes in, I don’t want to see them stacked first,” Boutwell said. “… I’d rather see them moving. And I have them come in one at a time. And I spend quite a bit of time, I usually watch them go almost all the way around… And then I think this is a quality class or I’m going to have to work at this. I have a clue from just going around what kind of quality I have. And then I’ll think, well I have about five dogs there that are just wonderful. And one I’m going to have to move several times because the owner is new. And we can spot it right away. Because you want to evaluate that dog, even though the person may be not a wonderful handler, but you want to be able to evaluate that dog as best you can.”</blockquote>
Boutwell still retains the love for performance work that was sparked in a young woman’s heart so many years ago.
<h6>“I just love to see the dogs work doing what they were bred to do. That, to me, is icing on the cake if they can do that,” Boutwell said. “If they win their championship that’s perfect but they’ve got to be able to do what they were bred to do.”</h6>
Loraine and Victor Boutwell celebrated their 50<sup>th</sup> wedding anniversary the year before Victor passed away. Purebred dogs were their lives, Loraine said.
<blockquote><em>“</em>I’ve been judging for 38 years,” Boutwell said. “And they’ve been wonderful and if I had had any idea that I would still be judging now, at my age I would say ‘oh no no. Couldn’t do it.’ Well I am. And I’m loving it. I had to cut back, but I still want to do it. I still want to be able to judge.”</blockquote>
I hope you enjoy this delightful conversation with one of our sport’s most enduring and charming participants. I know I did!]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/65-year-love-affair-started-with-a-brittany-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=3946</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2018 14:52:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ab053468-ac11-44e1-9209-31a04e09d271/loraine-boutwell-interview.mp3" length="20942202" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>21:49</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>178 — Bergit Coady Kabel: “Groomed to Perfection”</title><itunes:title>178 — Bergit Coady Kabel: “Groomed to Perfection”</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>A Legend in the Terrier Ring</h1>
<div id="attachment_5368" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px">


<p id="caption-attachment-5368" class="wp-caption-text">Bergit Coady Kabel with a West Highland White Terrier in years gone by.</p>

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The 2012 Winkie Award for Best Professional Handler, said it best: “A legend in the Terrier ring, <strong>Bergit Coady Kabel</strong>’s dogs are always groomed to perfection and flawlessly presented. Always polite and professional, she is totally dedicated to her dogs.”
<h2>Hard Work and Dedication</h2>
Bergit was someone I admired from afar for my entire handling career. I didn’t get to see her often, as our paths rarely crossed in the particular shows we attended. Every time I saw her, I was impressed by her immaculate charges and her unfailing smile.

I talk with a lot of folks for the podcast who have achieved the highest levels of success in purebred dogs. And I consistently hear the same themes. Hard work. Dedication. And an unquenchable thirst for knowledge. Bergit is a leading voice in the chorus.
<h2>Responsibility Gave Joy</h2>
Bergit tells the story in today’s podcast about being 13 years old and excited beyond words to have been taught by her earliest mentor how “to clean teeth, bathe dogs, express anal glands, and clean ears. … and the happiest kid you could have found.”

Let that sink in for a minute. Here is a kid who was *thrilled* to do anal glands because “Finally I knew a few things to do with dogs.”

Many successful handlers apprenticed for Bergit over the years. “A few assistants that wanted to do this by the clock, needless to say, did not work out,” she noted.

After a recent illness, Bergit is recovered and ready to take on judging with that same focus and intensity.
<h2>Focusing on Judging</h2>
<blockquote>“After 50 successful years of handling, I feel I can try to give back a little to a sport that has given me so much,” Bergit said. “I know judging will present different challenges and I will educate myself every step of the way. Will I like it better than handling? Never. I loved every minute of my handling career.</blockquote>
“…my son Ryan said to me. He is fully aware of my love for handling. He said, ‘You know, you are very lucky that you can go into judging. There’s a whole big world and big dog family. So you can see your friends again.’ He does mortgages and he said, ‘When I’m done there is no mortgage family waiting for me.’”

Bergit’s concrete advice on reaching the pinnacle of perfection in trimming dogs is invaluable. And we start a new feature on the show “All Time Favorites Best in Show Lineup.” Listen now to hear which dogs she would have in that ring and who would win!
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Laura: Welcome to pure dog talk, I'm your host, Laura Reeves, and I am joined by a member of our sport who I have long had mad respect for and I think she just brings such incredible knowledge to the game of purebred dogs. So I would like to welcome Bergit Coady Kabel to our conversation because I think you guys are going to really, really enjoy this one. So thank you. Bergit. How are you today?

Bergit: Really good, thank you. Very good. Excellent.

Laura: So we have a thing here on pure dog talk that we ask our guests to give us the 411, right? The who, what, when, where, why, how, how did you get started? How did you get involved in dogs? You've been at this for a lifetime now, right?

Bergit: Yes, definitely. Yes. I will have to tell you how it all started. When I was five years old, my family moved from southern Germany to downtown Hamburg. Soon after that, my earliest recollection is this, and a bit old neighbor girl was able to walk a wire Fox terrier for friends. One day she let me hold the leash. I was so thrilled and could not wait to tell my mom. You would have thought I won a box of toys. I have always been crazy about dogs. Maybe got the gene from my grandmother. She loved animals. A few blocks away from where we lived in Hamburg was a grooming shop owned and operated by Mr and Mrs Buchhaltz, who were excellent dog people and also show people. They owned a Mini and a Toy Poodle, an Irish Terrier and a Scottish Terrier. For a long time I was forever trying to figure out how I could get to know them. Remember I was only a young kid then, and the dog world was not like it is today. My break came when the Buchhaltz's daughter, who was in the same class as my younger brother, came into the classroom and asked for her parents. They were looking for a babysitter for the two year old sister. Bingo. I was it.

Bergit: I babysat... and every minute, after my job was done, I was spending time with the dogs. I was a dog walker at first and I kept telling the Buchhaltz to please teach me grooming. I was fascinated by what all the employees could create. So after awhile Mr Buchhaltz decided he had to do something with me since I was always around. The first things he taught me was -- this is no kidding -- to clean teeth. bathe dogs, express anal glands and clean ears.

Laura: And you were how old Bergit?

Bergit: I was 13 at the time. And the happiest kid you could have found. Finally I knew a few things to do with dogs. At that point they also started to take me to some dog shows, you know, later on in life, much later on in life. I kept thinking back to this and I was thinking maybe Mr Buchhaltz thought, you know, if I let her do all of these things...we'll get rid of her! But it didn't happen. By the time I left school, I agreed to a three year apprenticeship with the Buchhaltz. My parents were devastated. My mother's dream was for me to be a super secretary like she was, but sitting still has never been easy for me. So at this point, the Buchhaltz did not really need a fourth girl.. the three they had were excellent. So they asked if I would like to go to England to work in a well known Scottish Terrier Kennel "Riander" for Mrs Elizabeth Meyer. They took me with them to Crufts and we were introduced and I looked at all the Scotties like many people would do and said, how do you know which one is which one? So this was the basic beginning to my fabulous life into dogs. I spent two years in the UK and then one year at the Buchhaltz grooming shop. They agreed to the second year if I agreed to no time or days off for that. year. That was fine. I didn't care.

Bergit: So basically my most important mentors besides the Buchhaltz was Mrs Meyer of Riander fame. To this day, I refer to something I was taught by her daily and we don't even own our kennel anymore. There are two most important elements that I live by. Mrs Meyer said, number one, you have to be able to take care of yourself first before you can take care of someone else or something else. Second, when taking care of dogs, you yourself have to know what goes into a dog and what comes out of a dog, so you have to look at each one every day. From her I learned how to put down a Scottish terrier, and once a month she insisted to drive me to a well known Westie breeder who taught me how to trim Westies I would spend all day at her place. Now comes the question of how did you come to the United States? Well, spending two years at the Riander Kennel in England, I met many American Scottish Terrier breeders that came to visit the Kennel. One day, Betty Malinka of Sandoone Scottish Terriers, visited and asked if I would like to come for one year to work for her in Gary, Indiana. I agreed. End of history. This year, March 12, was my 50th anniversary of arriving at Chicago O'hare.
Laura: That is pretty amazing. Bergit. I'm sorry. That kind of made me a little choked up for a minute.
Bergit: Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing. Working for Betty was fun. She took me to a lot of shows and also I met a lot of people and that's how I met Clay Cody.

Laura: Yes.

Bergit: We started with our limited experience but taught ourselves a lot by watching top handlers at the time. Yes, we were fortunate to have some great dog people apprentice under us... and we are still very proud of them. Again, trimming you can teach, conditioning as well, but you have to have a certain feeling for dogs. If you had assistants that wanted to do this by the clock, needless to say, that did not work out.

Laura: No,

Bergit: We always started from scratch. If a dog needed a new coat, it was stripped down... in 10 to 12 weeks later you started to show it. It takes that long on any strip breed to get the coat into show length.

Laura: Yeah.

Bergit: In the meantime, you will take care of furnishings and everything else on the dog, exercise and fresh air are of great importance... and having had a super kennel with 58 runs in southern California for 40 years was more than ideal. We also had a set of runs where you could get a profile view of the dog from the dog kitchen, and that was enlightening and very useful. All of the above we brought to the attention of all of our assistants. Your question about habits to condition and groom a dog, is difficult to answer. A dog has to feel you like him. That's the start of everything. Then you start by putting him on the table every day, often just for a little while because once a dog is stripped, you have four to six weeks before you do what we call a defuzz, which is the same as a cleanup, but furnishings need to be washed every two to three days and blow dried.

Bergit: The dog gets used to your hands and where you put them. Be consistent in making the same movements. Always be peaceful. Don't do any of this if you need to rush. By the time you need to put a final show trim on the dog, he should be able to stand on the table perfectly relaxed and display confidence. Anyone with love for dogs can do this --...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>A Legend in the Terrier Ring</h1>
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<p id="caption-attachment-5368" class="wp-caption-text">Bergit Coady Kabel with a West Highland White Terrier in years gone by.</p>

</div>
The 2012 Winkie Award for Best Professional Handler, said it best: “A legend in the Terrier ring, <strong>Bergit Coady Kabel</strong>’s dogs are always groomed to perfection and flawlessly presented. Always polite and professional, she is totally dedicated to her dogs.”
<h2>Hard Work and Dedication</h2>
Bergit was someone I admired from afar for my entire handling career. I didn’t get to see her often, as our paths rarely crossed in the particular shows we attended. Every time I saw her, I was impressed by her immaculate charges and her unfailing smile.

I talk with a lot of folks for the podcast who have achieved the highest levels of success in purebred dogs. And I consistently hear the same themes. Hard work. Dedication. And an unquenchable thirst for knowledge. Bergit is a leading voice in the chorus.
<h2>Responsibility Gave Joy</h2>
Bergit tells the story in today’s podcast about being 13 years old and excited beyond words to have been taught by her earliest mentor how “to clean teeth, bathe dogs, express anal glands, and clean ears. … and the happiest kid you could have found.”

Let that sink in for a minute. Here is a kid who was *thrilled* to do anal glands because “Finally I knew a few things to do with dogs.”

Many successful handlers apprenticed for Bergit over the years. “A few assistants that wanted to do this by the clock, needless to say, did not work out,” she noted.

After a recent illness, Bergit is recovered and ready to take on judging with that same focus and intensity.
<h2>Focusing on Judging</h2>
<blockquote>“After 50 successful years of handling, I feel I can try to give back a little to a sport that has given me so much,” Bergit said. “I know judging will present different challenges and I will educate myself every step of the way. Will I like it better than handling? Never. I loved every minute of my handling career.</blockquote>
“…my son Ryan said to me. He is fully aware of my love for handling. He said, ‘You know, you are very lucky that you can go into judging. There’s a whole big world and big dog family. So you can see your friends again.’ He does mortgages and he said, ‘When I’m done there is no mortgage family waiting for me.’”

Bergit’s concrete advice on reaching the pinnacle of perfection in trimming dogs is invaluable. And we start a new feature on the show “All Time Favorites Best in Show Lineup.” Listen now to hear which dogs she would have in that ring and who would win!
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Laura: Welcome to pure dog talk, I'm your host, Laura Reeves, and I am joined by a member of our sport who I have long had mad respect for and I think she just brings such incredible knowledge to the game of purebred dogs. So I would like to welcome Bergit Coady Kabel to our conversation because I think you guys are going to really, really enjoy this one. So thank you. Bergit. How are you today?

Bergit: Really good, thank you. Very good. Excellent.

Laura: So we have a thing here on pure dog talk that we ask our guests to give us the 411, right? The who, what, when, where, why, how, how did you get started? How did you get involved in dogs? You've been at this for a lifetime now, right?

Bergit: Yes, definitely. Yes. I will have to tell you how it all started. When I was five years old, my family moved from southern Germany to downtown Hamburg. Soon after that, my earliest recollection is this, and a bit old neighbor girl was able to walk a wire Fox terrier for friends. One day she let me hold the leash. I was so thrilled and could not wait to tell my mom. You would have thought I won a box of toys. I have always been crazy about dogs. Maybe got the gene from my grandmother. She loved animals. A few blocks away from where we lived in Hamburg was a grooming shop owned and operated by Mr and Mrs Buchhaltz, who were excellent dog people and also show people. They owned a Mini and a Toy Poodle, an Irish Terrier and a Scottish Terrier. For a long time I was forever trying to figure out how I could get to know them. Remember I was only a young kid then, and the dog world was not like it is today. My break came when the Buchhaltz's daughter, who was in the same class as my younger brother, came into the classroom and asked for her parents. They were looking for a babysitter for the two year old sister. Bingo. I was it.

Bergit: I babysat... and every minute, after my job was done, I was spending time with the dogs. I was a dog walker at first and I kept telling the Buchhaltz to please teach me grooming. I was fascinated by what all the employees could create. So after awhile Mr Buchhaltz decided he had to do something with me since I was always around. The first things he taught me was -- this is no kidding -- to clean teeth. bathe dogs, express anal glands and clean ears.

Laura: And you were how old Bergit?

Bergit: I was 13 at the time. And the happiest kid you could have found. Finally I knew a few things to do with dogs. At that point they also started to take me to some dog shows, you know, later on in life, much later on in life. I kept thinking back to this and I was thinking maybe Mr Buchhaltz thought, you know, if I let her do all of these things...we'll get rid of her! But it didn't happen. By the time I left school, I agreed to a three year apprenticeship with the Buchhaltz. My parents were devastated. My mother's dream was for me to be a super secretary like she was, but sitting still has never been easy for me. So at this point, the Buchhaltz did not really need a fourth girl.. the three they had were excellent. So they asked if I would like to go to England to work in a well known Scottish Terrier Kennel "Riander" for Mrs Elizabeth Meyer. They took me with them to Crufts and we were introduced and I looked at all the Scotties like many people would do and said, how do you know which one is which one? So this was the basic beginning to my fabulous life into dogs. I spent two years in the UK and then one year at the Buchhaltz grooming shop. They agreed to the second year if I agreed to no time or days off for that. year. That was fine. I didn't care.

Bergit: So basically my most important mentors besides the Buchhaltz was Mrs Meyer of Riander fame. To this day, I refer to something I was taught by her daily and we don't even own our kennel anymore. There are two most important elements that I live by. Mrs Meyer said, number one, you have to be able to take care of yourself first before you can take care of someone else or something else. Second, when taking care of dogs, you yourself have to know what goes into a dog and what comes out of a dog, so you have to look at each one every day. From her I learned how to put down a Scottish terrier, and once a month she insisted to drive me to a well known Westie breeder who taught me how to trim Westies I would spend all day at her place. Now comes the question of how did you come to the United States? Well, spending two years at the Riander Kennel in England, I met many American Scottish Terrier breeders that came to visit the Kennel. One day, Betty Malinka of Sandoone Scottish Terriers, visited and asked if I would like to come for one year to work for her in Gary, Indiana. I agreed. End of history. This year, March 12, was my 50th anniversary of arriving at Chicago O'hare.
Laura: That is pretty amazing. Bergit. I'm sorry. That kind of made me a little choked up for a minute.
Bergit: Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing. Working for Betty was fun. She took me to a lot of shows and also I met a lot of people and that's how I met Clay Cody.

Laura: Yes.

Bergit: We started with our limited experience but taught ourselves a lot by watching top handlers at the time. Yes, we were fortunate to have some great dog people apprentice under us... and we are still very proud of them. Again, trimming you can teach, conditioning as well, but you have to have a certain feeling for dogs. If you had assistants that wanted to do this by the clock, needless to say, that did not work out.

Laura: No,

Bergit: We always started from scratch. If a dog needed a new coat, it was stripped down... in 10 to 12 weeks later you started to show it. It takes that long on any strip breed to get the coat into show length.

Laura: Yeah.

Bergit: In the meantime, you will take care of furnishings and everything else on the dog, exercise and fresh air are of great importance... and having had a super kennel with 58 runs in southern California for 40 years was more than ideal. We also had a set of runs where you could get a profile view of the dog from the dog kitchen, and that was enlightening and very useful. All of the above we brought to the attention of all of our assistants. Your question about habits to condition and groom a dog, is difficult to answer. A dog has to feel you like him. That's the start of everything. Then you start by putting him on the table every day, often just for a little while because once a dog is stripped, you have four to six weeks before you do what we call a defuzz, which is the same as a cleanup, but furnishings need to be washed every two to three days and blow dried.

Bergit: The dog gets used to your hands and where you put them. Be consistent in making the same movements. Always be peaceful. Don't do any of this if you need to rush. By the time you need to put a final show trim on the dog, he should be able to stand on the table perfectly relaxed and display confidence. Anyone with love for dogs can do this -- Owner-Handlers or Handlers. The secret ingredient, as you call it, to a perfectly trimmed dog, is looking at it as many times as it takes on the ground, after you finished trimming it in front of a mirror, of course on the table. Then on the ground, someone has to walk the dog for you so that you can see him in profile as well as up and down. Whatever you need to correct... then you correct it, but you can never take a dog off the table even though it looks perfect and think that that's how it's going to look. Because once the dog shakes or moves differently, you can have a completely different picture.

Bergit: So this is of course more work and a lot of people's excuse is they don't have somebody that can walk the dog, BUT you can always, if you get to the dog show early, find somebody that would do it for you, and even if they don't walk it correctly or perfectly like you would, you can still see certain things. The other thing that a lot of people don't do is to take a dog for a regular walk. I don't mean at a dog show. I mean just down the street to look and hear and see strange things. Always talk to your dog and pet him in between. You will bond nicely. You have to have good work ethics, a lot of self discipline and most of all a passion for this whole dog show scene in order to make it work.

Laura: I would agree with that.

Bergit: After all. Then you asked me about judging.

Laura: YES. This is a new journey that you're taking on, right? Just getting started, yes?

Bergit: Right, after 50 successful years of handling, I feel I can try to give back a little to a sport that has given me so much. I know judging will present different challenges and I will educate myself every step of the way. Will I like it better than handling? Never. I loved every minute of my handling career. To end this interview, I would love to tell you what my son Ryan said to me. He is fully aware of my love for handling. He said, you know, you are very lucky that you can go into judging. There is a whole big world and big dog family. Most of all, you know each other. So you can see your friends again. He does mortgages and he said when I'm done, there is no mortgage family waiting for me.

Laura: I love that. It's totally the truth, Bergit.

Bergit: It's totally the truth.

Laura: You know, I just got done interviewing Lorraine Boutwell for example, and she talks a lot about this and a lot of the people I talk to about this, they started in dogs either as breeders or as breeders and then handlers or what have you... and continued judging and I think so much of it is because this is your family. Right?

Bergit: Right. Right. And I mean, you have no idea. I mean when I got sick, I mean I still have all the cards and all the stuff and I mean it was incredible. You know, I was just truly overjoyed and now everybody that sees me at a dog you know, goes crazy and is happy for me

Laura: like I did.

Bergit: You know, I've always tried to help everybody. Because people tend to dislike you when you win a lot, but you know, that's never affected me. You know, I've always given credit to where credit is due and you know, I think people remember that. You know.

Bergit: I think so too. So two more things. Your best advice... especially for the people that are getting started. We have lots of people who listen to this podcast who are less than five years, for example, with purebred dogs. What is your best advice for these folks when they're getting started? Showing their dog, grooming their dog, whatever it is.

Bergit: Definitely to get the best rapport going with your dog. That means you take the dog for a walk just as a pet. You pet it, you talk to it. You make sure it learns to stand on the table perfectly still so that you can groom it. Whatever dog it is... in order to groom it you can't be fighting with it. That you can't be every time making excuses, for it or all these things. But if a dog knows that you want this from him, you give him so much. To my mind, the dog can also give something back to you and they'll figure it out. I mean it doesn't matter what we dealt with many different bleed, you know, so you have to be patient and then when you need help you try and get helpful my hand low or if you watch somebody at a dog show that you think could give you ideas, you approach that person at the end of the day or when there's a break, obviously not while they're showing a dog, you know, most people will help you and that's how you really keep going. And if you run into somebody that won't help you, don't be discouraged and go to the next person that you think could do it for you.

Laura: Yeah, and I think that that's so true. And one of the things that has kept me going, I mean every time I handle a new breed... I go ask someone. That's just a thing I do and I think that if you just are willing to ask, people are always willing to help, somebody will help you.

Bergit: Yeah. I mean look at it. A few years ago somebody offered us a Komondor. I had finished two Wheatens for them in 1987. They said to me, do you want to show a Komondor? And I said yes. I said, I don't know much about them, most people don't, but I said Bill McFadden knows and I've seen him show one. And I said I will talk to him and I will get all the information and I will do everything he tells me. So I got it finished. And of course you have to be friends with people in this breed because there's so few of them that you have to know when there will be a major, you know. And we got it done. But it was really interesting, you know, I mean it was great to do it differently like that.

Laura: I did a Briard, I mean completely outside my comfort zone. And it was great fun, I really enjoyed it because you get that chance, right, to learn something new.

Bergit: Yeah. Yeah. And the same with the Black Russian. I got a Black Russian finished... also with the help. This is when the kind of first started, you know, also with the help of key people and you know, I've never forgotten the people that have helped me, you know, and they get a Christmas card every year. I mean I'm a great Christmas card writer. I'm sorry. I like to do that. You have to do these things, you know.

Laura: Yes, absolutely. Okay, so then listeners, you guys are gonna love this. We're going to add this as a new feature for all of the interviews that we do with some of our great legends of the sport and Bergit gets to be our test case. So Bergit? Now you have 50 years in the sport in the United States. So I'm asking you in your mind, and this is a game we play as handlers, right? Like, I've always done this. So, in your mind, the greatest best in show lineup of all time... of dogs that you have personally seen. Ready, Go!

Bergit: I would say for the Hound Group - Pepsi, the Afghan Hound. For the herding group... Manhattan, the German shepherd. Non-Sporting would definitely be London, Standard Poodle, black Standard Poodle. Terrier... Coco the Norfolk.

Laura: Wow. That says a lot coming from you. Wow!

Bergit: Yup. Yup. Working... and that would probably win my best in show right there, Matisse, the Portuguese water dog.

Laura: Okay...Wow.

Bergit: Toy...John Oultan's Papillon, Kirby,

Laura: Beautiful.

Bergit: Sporting... the Black Cocker of Michael Pitts -- Beckham.

Laura: Those are some beautiful, beautiful choices and I think since I saw this in somebody else's social media and I said, it tells so much about what you value as a judge, as a handler or what have you, what you see in that best in show lineup. I just think it is a wonderful, wonderful thing. Plus it makes us think about cool little dogs. Awesome. Alright, well Bergit, thank you so much for your time. It was wonderful to see you at the dog show a few weeks ago. I am thrilled to see you back and I wish you the very, very best in your judging career. You will be outstanding.

Bergit: Thank you so much. I appreciate that. Thank you. Take care. Okay..bye-bye.

</div>
</div>
</div>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/bergit-coady-kabel-groomed-to-perfection-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=3958</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2018 16:48:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/4f91c69c-10f0-4ebc-b242-4fd85b5f03c9/bergit-coady-kabel-interview.mp3" length="18226724" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>18:59</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>184 – Merriam: Guts and Governance, the Bull Terrier, Breeders</title><itunes:title>184 – Merriam: Guts and Governance, the Bull Terrier, Breeders</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>“Guts and Governance” of purebred dogs, the Bull Terrier, and Breeders</h1>
<strong>Hon. David Merriam</strong> was given a White Bull Terrier in 1953. “Gigi” was the gift that keeps on giving, starting a 65-year love affair with the breed and purebred dogs.

When Merriam was given Gigi, he had some Collies. “They were not very good collies, conformation-wise,” he said. “Then I was given this bull terrier and she won quite a bit,” he added, in regard to why he’d chosen the Bull Terrier breed. “And winning is better than losing. They grow on you. You become very chauvinistic about them.”
<h2>Judging Similarities in Court or in the Ring</h2>
Merriam was a trial court judge in Southern California for 20 years and president of the Golden State Bull Terrier Club while still in law school.
<blockquote>“There’s a similarity in judging law cases and dog shows,” said Merriam, who presided over Best in Show at Westminster Kennel Club in 2015. “Each has a standard. AKC has a standard for each breed. In the courts the standard is known as the law. In the courts you receive evidence… testimony or physical evidence. In a dog show the evidence is the dogs in front of you. What you see and feel and the application of the standard to those animals.”</blockquote>
<h2>History and Judging of Bull Terriers</h2>
The essence of the Bull Terrier is the head, Merriam noted. “It’s an egg-shaped head. It’s only commonly been found in the last 20 years or so. Heads have improved enormously. Alva Rosenberg said, ‘Close your eyes, put your hand on the head. It should feel like a velvet egg.’”

The breed was developed as the *white* bull terrier, Merriam said. “Those devoted to the White Bull Terrier thought the Colored dogs were mongrels,” he added. “It wasn’t until the late 1930s that the Colored Bull Terrier was imported to the US from England. There were huge fights within the bull terrier club and the American Kennel Club about recognition of the variety. “Colored (bull terrier) development was slow. It wasn’t until the ‘70s that the quality began to be developed,” he observed.

“It’s been a successful marriage,” Merriam said of the two varieties. He remarked on some problems associated with white bull terriers, including deafness and skin problems. Research by the BAER hearing test program showed that “(In) white to white (breedings), one-third of the litter would have some hearing deficiency. White to colored that went down to 6 percent.”

BTCA presented the information to breeders, who then found value in the Colored variety and began using them in breeding programs. “If you give competent breeders the tools and the information, they’ll help correct the situation,” Merriam said.
<h2>Guts and Governance</h2>
As a long-time AKC delegate and past Chairman of the Board of Directors, Merriam noted that the “guts” of the sport is at the level of the next dog show and the next breeding.
<blockquote>“The governance of it, whether in the delegate body or the Board of Directors, is of lesser interest to all the people here at the dog show,” Merriam said. “How many exhibitors or breeders read the minutes of the board meetings? They only become aware of those when a new regulation comes down.”</blockquote>
Calling himself a “traditionalist,” Merriam challenged some of the ideas and directions of the American Kennel Club.

“If I were king, I would divide the kennel club,” Merriam stated. “I would have the traditional part of conformation and field trials in one group and then I would have all of the other (companion events) in another group. … Each of the two organizations would have to support themselves.”

“The most important thing,” Merriam said in summary, “is that each breed has a coterie of outstanding breeders. They are what moves the breed ahead. Nothing that AKC does change that.”

We hope you enjoy this thought-provoking, challenging, and fascinating conversation with one of the legends of our sport.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>“Guts and Governance” of purebred dogs, the Bull Terrier, and Breeders</h1>
<strong>Hon. David Merriam</strong> was given a White Bull Terrier in 1953. “Gigi” was the gift that keeps on giving, starting a 65-year love affair with the breed and purebred dogs.

When Merriam was given Gigi, he had some Collies. “They were not very good collies, conformation-wise,” he said. “Then I was given this bull terrier and she won quite a bit,” he added, in regard to why he’d chosen the Bull Terrier breed. “And winning is better than losing. They grow on you. You become very chauvinistic about them.”
<h2>Judging Similarities in Court or in the Ring</h2>
Merriam was a trial court judge in Southern California for 20 years and president of the Golden State Bull Terrier Club while still in law school.
<blockquote>“There’s a similarity in judging law cases and dog shows,” said Merriam, who presided over Best in Show at Westminster Kennel Club in 2015. “Each has a standard. AKC has a standard for each breed. In the courts the standard is known as the law. In the courts you receive evidence… testimony or physical evidence. In a dog show the evidence is the dogs in front of you. What you see and feel and the application of the standard to those animals.”</blockquote>
<h2>History and Judging of Bull Terriers</h2>
The essence of the Bull Terrier is the head, Merriam noted. “It’s an egg-shaped head. It’s only commonly been found in the last 20 years or so. Heads have improved enormously. Alva Rosenberg said, ‘Close your eyes, put your hand on the head. It should feel like a velvet egg.’”

The breed was developed as the *white* bull terrier, Merriam said. “Those devoted to the White Bull Terrier thought the Colored dogs were mongrels,” he added. “It wasn’t until the late 1930s that the Colored Bull Terrier was imported to the US from England. There were huge fights within the bull terrier club and the American Kennel Club about recognition of the variety. “Colored (bull terrier) development was slow. It wasn’t until the ‘70s that the quality began to be developed,” he observed.

“It’s been a successful marriage,” Merriam said of the two varieties. He remarked on some problems associated with white bull terriers, including deafness and skin problems. Research by the BAER hearing test program showed that “(In) white to white (breedings), one-third of the litter would have some hearing deficiency. White to colored that went down to 6 percent.”

BTCA presented the information to breeders, who then found value in the Colored variety and began using them in breeding programs. “If you give competent breeders the tools and the information, they’ll help correct the situation,” Merriam said.
<h2>Guts and Governance</h2>
As a long-time AKC delegate and past Chairman of the Board of Directors, Merriam noted that the “guts” of the sport is at the level of the next dog show and the next breeding.
<blockquote>“The governance of it, whether in the delegate body or the Board of Directors, is of lesser interest to all the people here at the dog show,” Merriam said. “How many exhibitors or breeders read the minutes of the board meetings? They only become aware of those when a new regulation comes down.”</blockquote>
Calling himself a “traditionalist,” Merriam challenged some of the ideas and directions of the American Kennel Club.

“If I were king, I would divide the kennel club,” Merriam stated. “I would have the traditional part of conformation and field trials in one group and then I would have all of the other (companion events) in another group. … Each of the two organizations would have to support themselves.”

“The most important thing,” Merriam said in summary, “is that each breed has a coterie of outstanding breeders. They are what moves the breed ahead. Nothing that AKC does change that.”

We hope you enjoy this thought-provoking, challenging, and fascinating conversation with one of the legends of our sport.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/merriam-guts-and-governance-the-bull-terrier-breeders-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=5634</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2018 16:12:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/cdf87d49-2d23-4fdc-91a7-978f5467d200/david-merriam-interview.mp3" length="54838406" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>22:51</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>186 — Canalizo: Ghosts of the Past and Breeding for the Future</title><itunes:title>186 — Canalizo: Ghosts of the Past and Breeding for the Future</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Ghosts of the Past and Breeding for the Future</h1>
Legendary breeder, handler, and dog man, <strong>Michael Canalizo</strong> is most associated with the Afghan Hounds of Grandeur. He handled the iconic Afghan bitch, Ch. Tryst of Grandeur, to the pinnacle of all-time top-winning hound. He spoke with PureDogTalk about breeding, handling, history, and the wave of the future.
<h2>“You’ll See the World”</h2>
His mother is Lee Canalizo, also now an AKC judge. When Michael was young, his self-described middle-class family wanted a companion dog. They sought out Sunny Shay, who had just won Best in Show at Westminster Kennel Club with Ch. Shirkhan of Grandeur in 1957.

When Michael’s father asked which puppy Shay recommended they buy, her response was, “Honey, take the show dog, you’ll see the world.” And, Canalizo said, they have.

They first attended match shows with their dog, which Canalizo noted, were significantly different events in that era.

“Match shows were huge in the ‘60s,” Canalizo said. “They’d have 1,000 dogs on a weekend.”
<h2>“Kid Vicious”</h2>
The very focused and determined young Canalizo was given the nickname “Kid Vicious,” not because he was mean, he noted, but due to his intense concentration. “I was this little guy in a suit and tie.” His handling career started early, winning his first regular group with a class bitch when he was about 13 years old.

The Canalizos maintained a life-long relationship with Shay, becoming close friends. When she formed a business partnership with successful real estate developer Roger Rechler, Michael was hired to show the Grandeur Afghans.

This flourishing partnership was haunted by the devastation. On the 20<sup>th</sup> anniversary of Shirkhan’s WKC win, while Shay and friends attended a gala party at Rechler’s home, her kennel was burned down. Many dogs died in the arson fire, started, according to Canalizo, by neighbors who objected to the kennel in what had become a residential area.

Fortunately, many of the best of the Grandeur hounds were at the Rechler home to be showcased during the party. Shay eventually died in the ring, showing Ch. Boy Blu of Grandeur. Lee Canalizo was with Shay at the show that day. In those pre-cel phone days, Canalizo of course had no idea what had happened. He said he came home from a match judging assignment to the phone ringing off the hook.

“She brought me 40 years in the dog sport in the five years I was with her,” Canalizo said. “Sunny didn’t do anything by the book. She was haphazard. When Shirkhan died, at 17, she went scrambling to breed to his sons.”

After Shay died, Rechler closed the kennel to public stud. Shay was proud to have developed what she called, “A pure strain within the breed.” Canalizo noted that Shay’s first litter, born in 1941, went back to the breed’s first imports to this country.
<h2>Breeding Better Dogs</h2>
The Grandeur breeding program followed closely the “thoroughbred” formula described by Lloyd Brackett in a series of articles published in book form by Dog World Magazine in 1961. In this principle, Canalizo said, you breed a bitch to a male whose sire is the same as the mother’s sire.

Canalizo strongly advocates this line breeding theory, but he adds that breeders today have significant advantages.
<blockquote>“Frozen semen,” Canalizo said. “We’re in position to rewrite the probability of how to breed dogs. In those days we inbred because we couldn’t breed to a dog 20 years after it was viable. You bred to what was alive, viable and accessible. You had a very short shelf life. I’m not so sure we aren’t on the cusp of creating a new way to breed dogs.”</blockquote>
<h2>Ghosts and Magic</h2>
Canalizo’s “Dream BIS Lineup” came with fabulous, intimate stories about each of the dogs he selected — from eye contact across the Morris &amp; Essex ring with Mick, the Kerry Blue Terrier, to a flash of sun on a gloomy day that spotlit his own dog in a Best In Show lineup of all black dogs near Sunny Shay’s final resting place.

Listen to Canalizo’s descriptions of these amazing dogs of the past, and which one wins Best in Show in his mind. And why! For more insight and conversation with Canalizo, read this excellent interview with Bo Bengston.

<a href="http://sighthoundreview.com/images/SR_10Wi_Michael_Canalizo_interview_9_.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://sighthoundreview.com/images/SR_10Wi_Michael_Canalizo_interview_9_.pdf</a>

For additional information about “Brackett’s Formula”, read this detailed article from Carmen Battaglia.

<a href="http://breedingbetterdogs.com/article/brackets-formula" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://breedingbetterdogs.com/article/brackets-formula</a>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Ghosts of the Past and Breeding for the Future</h1>
Legendary breeder, handler, and dog man, <strong>Michael Canalizo</strong> is most associated with the Afghan Hounds of Grandeur. He handled the iconic Afghan bitch, Ch. Tryst of Grandeur, to the pinnacle of all-time top-winning hound. He spoke with PureDogTalk about breeding, handling, history, and the wave of the future.
<h2>“You’ll See the World”</h2>
His mother is Lee Canalizo, also now an AKC judge. When Michael was young, his self-described middle-class family wanted a companion dog. They sought out Sunny Shay, who had just won Best in Show at Westminster Kennel Club with Ch. Shirkhan of Grandeur in 1957.

When Michael’s father asked which puppy Shay recommended they buy, her response was, “Honey, take the show dog, you’ll see the world.” And, Canalizo said, they have.

They first attended match shows with their dog, which Canalizo noted, were significantly different events in that era.

“Match shows were huge in the ‘60s,” Canalizo said. “They’d have 1,000 dogs on a weekend.”
<h2>“Kid Vicious”</h2>
The very focused and determined young Canalizo was given the nickname “Kid Vicious,” not because he was mean, he noted, but due to his intense concentration. “I was this little guy in a suit and tie.” His handling career started early, winning his first regular group with a class bitch when he was about 13 years old.

The Canalizos maintained a life-long relationship with Shay, becoming close friends. When she formed a business partnership with successful real estate developer Roger Rechler, Michael was hired to show the Grandeur Afghans.

This flourishing partnership was haunted by the devastation. On the 20<sup>th</sup> anniversary of Shirkhan’s WKC win, while Shay and friends attended a gala party at Rechler’s home, her kennel was burned down. Many dogs died in the arson fire, started, according to Canalizo, by neighbors who objected to the kennel in what had become a residential area.

Fortunately, many of the best of the Grandeur hounds were at the Rechler home to be showcased during the party. Shay eventually died in the ring, showing Ch. Boy Blu of Grandeur. Lee Canalizo was with Shay at the show that day. In those pre-cel phone days, Canalizo of course had no idea what had happened. He said he came home from a match judging assignment to the phone ringing off the hook.

“She brought me 40 years in the dog sport in the five years I was with her,” Canalizo said. “Sunny didn’t do anything by the book. She was haphazard. When Shirkhan died, at 17, she went scrambling to breed to his sons.”

After Shay died, Rechler closed the kennel to public stud. Shay was proud to have developed what she called, “A pure strain within the breed.” Canalizo noted that Shay’s first litter, born in 1941, went back to the breed’s first imports to this country.
<h2>Breeding Better Dogs</h2>
The Grandeur breeding program followed closely the “thoroughbred” formula described by Lloyd Brackett in a series of articles published in book form by Dog World Magazine in 1961. In this principle, Canalizo said, you breed a bitch to a male whose sire is the same as the mother’s sire.

Canalizo strongly advocates this line breeding theory, but he adds that breeders today have significant advantages.
<blockquote>“Frozen semen,” Canalizo said. “We’re in position to rewrite the probability of how to breed dogs. In those days we inbred because we couldn’t breed to a dog 20 years after it was viable. You bred to what was alive, viable and accessible. You had a very short shelf life. I’m not so sure we aren’t on the cusp of creating a new way to breed dogs.”</blockquote>
<h2>Ghosts and Magic</h2>
Canalizo’s “Dream BIS Lineup” came with fabulous, intimate stories about each of the dogs he selected — from eye contact across the Morris &amp; Essex ring with Mick, the Kerry Blue Terrier, to a flash of sun on a gloomy day that spotlit his own dog in a Best In Show lineup of all black dogs near Sunny Shay’s final resting place.

Listen to Canalizo’s descriptions of these amazing dogs of the past, and which one wins Best in Show in his mind. And why! For more insight and conversation with Canalizo, read this excellent interview with Bo Bengston.

<a href="http://sighthoundreview.com/images/SR_10Wi_Michael_Canalizo_interview_9_.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://sighthoundreview.com/images/SR_10Wi_Michael_Canalizo_interview_9_.pdf</a>

For additional information about “Brackett’s Formula”, read this detailed article from Carmen Battaglia.

<a href="http://breedingbetterdogs.com/article/brackets-formula" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://breedingbetterdogs.com/article/brackets-formula</a>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/canalizo-ghosts-of-the-past-and-breeding-for-the-future-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=5643</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2018 17:26:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/3234daea-5423-4f9d-9931-d9adbcfd41df/michael-canalizo-interview.mp3" length="32202441" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>33:33</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>188 – Bruce Schultz’s Secret – Be Happy for the Other Guy</title><itunes:title>188 – Bruce Schultz’s Secret – Be Happy for the Other Guy</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Bruce Schultz’s Secret to Success and Longevity – Be Happy for the Other Guy</h1>
<strong>Bruce Schultz</strong> is a living legend in the world of professional handlers. Still actively showing dogs, Schultz said the secret to his longevity is being happy for the winner.
<blockquote>“You’ve gotta be happy for the other person,” Schultz said. “I think that’s why I’ve lasted so long. I know there’s good dogs out there besides my dogs. I’m happy for the people who win, like they should be happy for me.”</blockquote>
<h2>Dreams of a Young Man</h2>
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<p id="caption-attachment-5489" class="wp-caption-text">Professional handler Bruce Schultz with Gordon Setter. Photo credit Sharon Carvalho.</p>

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As a kid, Schultz loved hunting. His first really good hunting dog was a German Shorthaired Pointer he bought for $50 from the breeder after it was returned by the original owner. “He was so dedicated and so smart. I shot many a pheasant over that dog.”

But his dream was to own an Irish Setter. He bought his first from a breeder in Phoenix. “We found a litter in the newspaper,” Schultz said. In those days, advertising dogs in the local newspaper was standard practice. The breeder was an obedience competitor, so Schultz worked his new puppy in obedience, earning a CD on him at nine months old.

As he traveled to shows in Arizona and Southern California for obedience competition, Schultz watched the conformation classes also.
<h2>Conformation Looks Easy!</h2>
“My first impression of conformation was ‘These guys don’t have to do anything but run around the ring, pose their dogs and somebody points at them,’” Schultz said. “‘Obedience we have to work at it. We have a judge that scores you and if you make a mistake you’re outta there!’”

He eventually bought a couple Irish Setter bitches and began showing them in conformation. Over time, people started asking him to show their dogs. This was at the time handlers had to be licensed by the American Kennel Club in order to charge a handling fee. “I got really hooked on it, started showing more dogs and here I am.”
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<p id="caption-attachment-5486" class="wp-caption-text">Bruce Schultz with Bloodhound owned by Susan Hamil. Photo credit Sharon Carvalho</p>

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Schultz became a licensed professional handler in the late ‘70s, right before AKC ended the practice.
<h2>Record Setting Career</h2>
“I’ve been very, very lucky with the dogs I’ve shown,” Schultz said. Amongst his records is piloting the top-winning GSP in the history of the breed. Brittania, BIS/BISS/NSC Can Ch DC NMK’s Brittania V. Sibelstein HOF won 50 BIS and 150 Group 1 awards in two years in the 1980s. His next top special, the English setter bitch, Ch Goodtime’s Silk Teddy, had the same record and won three national specialties, also in just over two years.

The ideal “specials” campaign, Schultz said, is usually 2 ½ years.

“It depends on the dog. There are dogs that love it. Every dog is totally different,” Schultz said. “You not only have to think of the owners, you want to do it, the dog wanting to do it. Those two dogs could have gone further but I figured ‘hey, I did enough with ‘em in the time period.’”

Running for number one, Schultz said, is time-consuming and mentally and physically draining. Keeping the dog mentally capable of doing it is the biggest challenge.
<h2>Friends AND Competitors</h2>
But the importance of maintaining friendships and friendly competition, even at the highest stakes level, is one of Schultz’ critical observations. He reminisces about his Border Collie going second in the group at Westminster Kennel Club behind his friend Jimmy Moses’ German Shepherd Dogs for years.

“Never beat him at the Garden,” Schultz laughed. “I beat him one time in the group. I still remember the show! It was Snake River, Idaho. But we’ve remained friends over the years. Business is business.”

Chris Terrell, breeder, owner, handler of the WKC BIS winning Afghan Hound Pepsi, Ch. Kabik’s The Challenger (https://www.nytimes.com/1983/02/16/sports/afghan-westminster-best-in-show.html), was another of Schultz’ friends. Terrell, an amateur owner handler, and Schultz frequently socialized after competing head to head in the best in show ring.

“Pepsi is one of my favorite dogs of all time,” Schultz said. “Chris and I traveled together. Whoever won, won.”

Schultz noted that he has concerns with a lot of the newer handlers because they “expect to win every show, no matter what they bring in the ring. They think everything has to be fixed for them. Why don’t you just show the dogs. We used to have fish fries, steak fries, people mingled.”
<h2>Learn From the Past</h2>
Looking to the past, Schultz observed, is imperative to learning for newer exhibitors.
<blockquote>“They have got to look into the past. Who did what, what were the great dogs,” Schultz noted. “They don’t study pedigrees, they just go out and breed. They don’t have clue of who the grandparents are. Grandparents are a huge influence on the get.

“…Good breeders of the past studied pedigrees. They knew the backgrounds of the dogs. They studied their breeds. The good dogs in different breeds, those breeders are still on top of their pedigrees.”</blockquote>
Listen to the podcast to hear Schultz’ <strong>Tips for Winning When the Chips are Down</strong> and his fascinating <strong>Dream Best in Show Lineup</strong>! This list of dogs from the ‘50s through present day is delicious. Sneak peak, can you name this dog?

Learn about one of Schultz’ long-time clients, Susan Hamil, and her Bloodhounds in PureDogTalk episode 64: https://puredogtalk.com/64-bloodhound-mantrailing-and-canine-health-foundation-tick-program-with-susan-hamil-2/

&nbsp;]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Bruce Schultz’s Secret to Success and Longevity – Be Happy for the Other Guy</h1>
<strong>Bruce Schultz</strong> is a living legend in the world of professional handlers. Still actively showing dogs, Schultz said the secret to his longevity is being happy for the winner.
<blockquote>“You’ve gotta be happy for the other person,” Schultz said. “I think that’s why I’ve lasted so long. I know there’s good dogs out there besides my dogs. I’m happy for the people who win, like they should be happy for me.”</blockquote>
<h2>Dreams of a Young Man</h2>
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<p id="caption-attachment-5489" class="wp-caption-text">Professional handler Bruce Schultz with Gordon Setter. Photo credit Sharon Carvalho.</p>

</div>
As a kid, Schultz loved hunting. His first really good hunting dog was a German Shorthaired Pointer he bought for $50 from the breeder after it was returned by the original owner. “He was so dedicated and so smart. I shot many a pheasant over that dog.”

But his dream was to own an Irish Setter. He bought his first from a breeder in Phoenix. “We found a litter in the newspaper,” Schultz said. In those days, advertising dogs in the local newspaper was standard practice. The breeder was an obedience competitor, so Schultz worked his new puppy in obedience, earning a CD on him at nine months old.

As he traveled to shows in Arizona and Southern California for obedience competition, Schultz watched the conformation classes also.
<h2>Conformation Looks Easy!</h2>
“My first impression of conformation was ‘These guys don’t have to do anything but run around the ring, pose their dogs and somebody points at them,’” Schultz said. “‘Obedience we have to work at it. We have a judge that scores you and if you make a mistake you’re outta there!’”

He eventually bought a couple Irish Setter bitches and began showing them in conformation. Over time, people started asking him to show their dogs. This was at the time handlers had to be licensed by the American Kennel Club in order to charge a handling fee. “I got really hooked on it, started showing more dogs and here I am.”
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<img class="size-medium wp-image-5486" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/13415457_10208489486291490_6334540752434659338_o-298x300.jpg" alt="bloodhound" width="298" height="300" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5486" />
<p id="caption-attachment-5486" class="wp-caption-text">Bruce Schultz with Bloodhound owned by Susan Hamil. Photo credit Sharon Carvalho</p>

</div>
Schultz became a licensed professional handler in the late ‘70s, right before AKC ended the practice.
<h2>Record Setting Career</h2>
“I’ve been very, very lucky with the dogs I’ve shown,” Schultz said. Amongst his records is piloting the top-winning GSP in the history of the breed. Brittania, BIS/BISS/NSC Can Ch DC NMK’s Brittania V. Sibelstein HOF won 50 BIS and 150 Group 1 awards in two years in the 1980s. His next top special, the English setter bitch, Ch Goodtime’s Silk Teddy, had the same record and won three national specialties, also in just over two years.

The ideal “specials” campaign, Schultz said, is usually 2 ½ years.

“It depends on the dog. There are dogs that love it. Every dog is totally different,” Schultz said. “You not only have to think of the owners, you want to do it, the dog wanting to do it. Those two dogs could have gone further but I figured ‘hey, I did enough with ‘em in the time period.’”

Running for number one, Schultz said, is time-consuming and mentally and physically draining. Keeping the dog mentally capable of doing it is the biggest challenge.
<h2>Friends AND Competitors</h2>
But the importance of maintaining friendships and friendly competition, even at the highest stakes level, is one of Schultz’ critical observations. He reminisces about his Border Collie going second in the group at Westminster Kennel Club behind his friend Jimmy Moses’ German Shepherd Dogs for years.

“Never beat him at the Garden,” Schultz laughed. “I beat him one time in the group. I still remember the show! It was Snake River, Idaho. But we’ve remained friends over the years. Business is business.”

Chris Terrell, breeder, owner, handler of the WKC BIS winning Afghan Hound Pepsi, Ch. Kabik’s The Challenger (https://www.nytimes.com/1983/02/16/sports/afghan-westminster-best-in-show.html), was another of Schultz’ friends. Terrell, an amateur owner handler, and Schultz frequently socialized after competing head to head in the best in show ring.

“Pepsi is one of my favorite dogs of all time,” Schultz said. “Chris and I traveled together. Whoever won, won.”

Schultz noted that he has concerns with a lot of the newer handlers because they “expect to win every show, no matter what they bring in the ring. They think everything has to be fixed for them. Why don’t you just show the dogs. We used to have fish fries, steak fries, people mingled.”
<h2>Learn From the Past</h2>
Looking to the past, Schultz observed, is imperative to learning for newer exhibitors.
<blockquote>“They have got to look into the past. Who did what, what were the great dogs,” Schultz noted. “They don’t study pedigrees, they just go out and breed. They don’t have clue of who the grandparents are. Grandparents are a huge influence on the get.

“…Good breeders of the past studied pedigrees. They knew the backgrounds of the dogs. They studied their breeds. The good dogs in different breeds, those breeders are still on top of their pedigrees.”</blockquote>
Listen to the podcast to hear Schultz’ <strong>Tips for Winning When the Chips are Down</strong> and his fascinating <strong>Dream Best in Show Lineup</strong>! This list of dogs from the ‘50s through present day is delicious. Sneak peak, can you name this dog?

Learn about one of Schultz’ long-time clients, Susan Hamil, and her Bloodhounds in PureDogTalk episode 64: https://puredogtalk.com/64-bloodhound-mantrailing-and-canine-health-foundation-tick-program-with-susan-hamil-2/

&nbsp;]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/bruce-schultzs-secret-be-happy-for-the-other-guy-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=5650</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2018 16:32:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/b7449c2e-403b-423f-a08a-11d744e94ff3/bruce-schultz-interview.mp3" length="17960897" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>18:43</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>192 – AKC President Dennis Sprung on Public Outreach</title><itunes:title>192 – AKC President Dennis Sprung on Public Outreach</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>AKC President Dennis Sprung on Public Outreach</h1>
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<p id="caption-attachment-5537" class="wp-caption-text">AKC President &amp; CEO Dennis Sprung joins the presentation of BIS at the 2017 AKCNC in Orland, Fla.</p>

</div>
President and Chief Operating Officer of the American Kennel Club since 2003, <strong>Dennis Sprung</strong> has ardently pursued projects designed to share the message of the human-canine bond.

Starting in dogs with the Afghan Hounds of Grandeur in the late 1960s, Sprung was mentored by the legendary Sunny Shay. Shay laid the foundation for his education in dogs, Sprung said. At a time when the famous Long Island kennel housed over 100 dogs, he routinely interacted with everything from puppies to veterans.
<h2>Inspiring Dreams for Everyone</h2>
“She was one of a kind,” Sprung said. “A true character in the sport. Sunny was unique, in many ways, but particularly in that she was a Breeder Owner Handler. Shirkhan’s first BIS in 1957 was at Westminster Kennel Club.” (For more history and stories about Sunny Shay and the Grandeur Afghans, listen to Michael Canalizo at <a href="https://puredogtalk.com/canalizo-ghosts-of-the-past-and-breeding-for-the-future-pure-dog-talk/">https://puredogtalk.com/canalizo-ghosts-of-the-past-and-breeding-for-the-future-pure-dog-talk/</a>)
<h2>Sharing the Human-Canine Bond</h2>
Shortly after Sprung started working for AKC as an Executive Field Rep in 1989, he proposed to the Board of Directors the program that became the AKC Humane Fund. His vision was to create an additional vehicle to serve as outreach to the public, sharing the message of the human-canine bond. The AKC Humane Fund has now grown to include grant making for parent club breed rescue, scholarships, funding for domestic violence shelters that allow pets and assistance in cases of natural disaster. (<a href="https://www.akchumanefund.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.akchumanefund.org/</a>)
<h2>Art as Outreach</h2>
Sprung is involved with the AKC Museum of Dog as a member of original planning committee and former board member. He is actively working with AKC staff to help the museum move back to NYC from its location near St. Louis, Missouri for the last 31 years. “The museum is one of the finest collections of sporting art in the world. It pays respect to our breeds and our traditions in the sport. With a location one block from Grand Central terminal, where they have 22 million visitors annually, the opportunity to grow purebred dogs is endless.” (<a href="https://www.akc.org/museum-of-the-dog/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.akc.org/museum-of-the-dog/</a>)
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<img class="size-medium wp-image-5535" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/AKC-Legislative-2017-Spring-AR3I6233-highres-300x200.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="200" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5535" />
<p id="caption-attachment-5535" class="wp-caption-text">Sprung joins a presentation for working K9s.</p>

</div>
On the night following the 9/11 attacks, Sprung had a brain storm.
<blockquote>“AKC was able to donate a portable x-ray machine and a large quantity of supplies,” Sprung said. “These were delivered by me to Ground Zero, on that very corner with smoke still rising… I’ll never forget that.”</blockquote>
He resolved to create a public art exhibition and fundraising opportunity. From this was born DOGNY. Honoring the search &amp; rescue dog and handler teams, 112 dog statues were placed around New York City. In all, more than $3.5 million was raised for Search &amp; Rescue groups nationwide. (<a href="https://www.akc.org/dogny/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.akc.org/dogny/</a>)

“I have to tell you. Credit goes to our entire fancy,” Sprung said. “Springfield Kennel Club was the first donor. Corporate America came through and worked with us, but our fancy was with us every step of the way.”

Building from that concept, AKC Reunite was developed, spearheaded by Delegate Pat Laurans.

“The AKC family is providing what’s needed to save dogs throughout the country,” Sprung said. The fundraising effort has placed 67 trailers across the nation. (<a href="http://www.akcreunite.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.akcreunite.org/</a>)
<blockquote>“I think one of the most important things we can do is to not only look inward, but also look outward,” Sprung said. “We need to focus on our core constituency, on our mission of registration and events. But we also have to communicate with the public. We have to educate them. Be consistent in our messaging. Be transparent and continue to do the right thing. …There’s many societal changes that are affecting all of us. We’ve lost a lot of sites (for dog shows). This is no longer rural America. We have to address the fact that there are a number of territories that no longer offer point shows. We have to continue to work together.”</blockquote>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>AKC President Dennis Sprung on Public Outreach</h1>
<div id="attachment_5537" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px">


<p id="caption-attachment-5537" class="wp-caption-text">AKC President &amp; CEO Dennis Sprung joins the presentation of BIS at the 2017 AKCNC in Orland, Fla.</p>

</div>
President and Chief Operating Officer of the American Kennel Club since 2003, <strong>Dennis Sprung</strong> has ardently pursued projects designed to share the message of the human-canine bond.

Starting in dogs with the Afghan Hounds of Grandeur in the late 1960s, Sprung was mentored by the legendary Sunny Shay. Shay laid the foundation for his education in dogs, Sprung said. At a time when the famous Long Island kennel housed over 100 dogs, he routinely interacted with everything from puppies to veterans.
<h2>Inspiring Dreams for Everyone</h2>
“She was one of a kind,” Sprung said. “A true character in the sport. Sunny was unique, in many ways, but particularly in that she was a Breeder Owner Handler. Shirkhan’s first BIS in 1957 was at Westminster Kennel Club.” (For more history and stories about Sunny Shay and the Grandeur Afghans, listen to Michael Canalizo at <a href="https://puredogtalk.com/canalizo-ghosts-of-the-past-and-breeding-for-the-future-pure-dog-talk/">https://puredogtalk.com/canalizo-ghosts-of-the-past-and-breeding-for-the-future-pure-dog-talk/</a>)
<h2>Sharing the Human-Canine Bond</h2>
Shortly after Sprung started working for AKC as an Executive Field Rep in 1989, he proposed to the Board of Directors the program that became the AKC Humane Fund. His vision was to create an additional vehicle to serve as outreach to the public, sharing the message of the human-canine bond. The AKC Humane Fund has now grown to include grant making for parent club breed rescue, scholarships, funding for domestic violence shelters that allow pets and assistance in cases of natural disaster. (<a href="https://www.akchumanefund.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.akchumanefund.org/</a>)
<h2>Art as Outreach</h2>
Sprung is involved with the AKC Museum of Dog as a member of original planning committee and former board member. He is actively working with AKC staff to help the museum move back to NYC from its location near St. Louis, Missouri for the last 31 years. “The museum is one of the finest collections of sporting art in the world. It pays respect to our breeds and our traditions in the sport. With a location one block from Grand Central terminal, where they have 22 million visitors annually, the opportunity to grow purebred dogs is endless.” (<a href="https://www.akc.org/museum-of-the-dog/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.akc.org/museum-of-the-dog/</a>)
<div id="attachment_5535" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px">

<img class="size-medium wp-image-5535" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/AKC-Legislative-2017-Spring-AR3I6233-highres-300x200.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="200" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5535" />
<p id="caption-attachment-5535" class="wp-caption-text">Sprung joins a presentation for working K9s.</p>

</div>
On the night following the 9/11 attacks, Sprung had a brain storm.
<blockquote>“AKC was able to donate a portable x-ray machine and a large quantity of supplies,” Sprung said. “These were delivered by me to Ground Zero, on that very corner with smoke still rising… I’ll never forget that.”</blockquote>
He resolved to create a public art exhibition and fundraising opportunity. From this was born DOGNY. Honoring the search &amp; rescue dog and handler teams, 112 dog statues were placed around New York City. In all, more than $3.5 million was raised for Search &amp; Rescue groups nationwide. (<a href="https://www.akc.org/dogny/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.akc.org/dogny/</a>)

“I have to tell you. Credit goes to our entire fancy,” Sprung said. “Springfield Kennel Club was the first donor. Corporate America came through and worked with us, but our fancy was with us every step of the way.”

Building from that concept, AKC Reunite was developed, spearheaded by Delegate Pat Laurans.

“The AKC family is providing what’s needed to save dogs throughout the country,” Sprung said. The fundraising effort has placed 67 trailers across the nation. (<a href="http://www.akcreunite.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.akcreunite.org/</a>)
<blockquote>“I think one of the most important things we can do is to not only look inward, but also look outward,” Sprung said. “We need to focus on our core constituency, on our mission of registration and events. But we also have to communicate with the public. We have to educate them. Be consistent in our messaging. Be transparent and continue to do the right thing. …There’s many societal changes that are affecting all of us. We’ve lost a lot of sites (for dog shows). This is no longer rural America. We have to address the fact that there are a number of territories that no longer offer point shows. We have to continue to work together.”</blockquote>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/akc-president-dennis-sprung-on-public-outreach-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=5682</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2018 15:52:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/763a46f1-b068-4222-928f-5c274ed15c52/dennis-sprung-interview.mp3" length="19752270" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>20:34</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>194 — Andrew Brace “Totally Obsessed with Dogs”</title><itunes:title>194 — Andrew Brace “Totally Obsessed with Dogs”</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>“Totally Obsessed with Dogs” and Finding Quality</h1>
Born to a long tradition of dogmen from Wales, Andrew Brace acquired his first Boxer in 1963 and began judging in the UK while still a young man. A strong voice in the international purebred dog community today, Brace is a long-time breeder, Best in Show judge and author.
<div id="attachment_5728" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 210px">

<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Brace-full-pix.jpg"></a>
<p id="caption-attachment-5728" class="wp-caption-text">Andrew Brace about to judge the European Semi-Final of the Eukanuba World Challenge at the Split Summer Night Shows in Croatia</p>

</div>
“I was totally obsessed with dogs ever since I can remember,” Brace said.

As a child he was immersed in the purebred dog scene, stewarding, traveling, reading dog books and joining dog clubs. One of his favorite early memories, after learning his beloved Bruce the Boxer was monorchid and couldn’t be shown, is being given the job of “Honorary Veterinary Steward” — holding the towel for the veterinarian who was checking dogs in for the ring.
<h2>Match shows create community</h2>
The UK today, Brace said, has 27 all-breeds championship shows, with only five have championship points available for every recognized breed. Many more matches and open shows, where championship points are not awarded, are available. Brace noted that these shows offer a “social exercise” for the exhibitors where they can enjoy a day out and meet up with their friends.
<h2>Mentors offer a step up</h2>
<div id="attachment_5730" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px">

<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Nigel-and-AHB.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-5730" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Nigel-and-AHB-300x213.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="213" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5730" /></a>
<p id="caption-attachment-5730" class="wp-caption-text">Andrew Brace with his “idol and mentor”,
Nigel Aubrey Jones, pictured at the dinner
that followed one the Kennel Review
Tournaments of Champions, held at the
Pontchartrain Hotel in Detroit.</p>

</div>
“If people are honest,” Brace said, “they all will admit they had help, from their elders and betters. People who gave them a step up. I’m very conscious to try and help young people I see who have a spart, as other people helped me.”

Brace counts fellow Welshman and famed Pekingese breeder Nigel Aubrey Jones as the guiding influence in his life.
<blockquote>“Nigel was a genius. He was my idol and my mentor,” Brace said. “I learned so much from him. He was my biggest critic and greatest supporter. He and Bill Taylor were remarkable gentlemen. Their quest for perfection in breeding Pekingese changed the breed worldwide. To be honest there isn’t a day goes by I don’t miss Nigel.”</blockquote>
<h2>An eye for a dog</h2>
<div id="attachment_5729" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px">

<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/BraceSantaBarbara.jpg"><img class="wp-image-5729 size-medium" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/BraceSantaBarbara-300x169.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="169" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5729" /></a>
<p id="caption-attachment-5729" class="wp-caption-text">Andrew Brace judging Best in Breeders Sweepstakes at Santa Barbara Kennel Club.</p>

</div>
Things were not very scientific in becoming a judge, Brace noted. “It was very much about being identified as having an eye for a dog and then refining it through careful study and experience,” Brace said.

The UK had many large kennels in those days, Brace added. “I would ask breeders if I could visit to learn about breed. People were always welcoming and keen to share their knowledge, being ruthlessly honest about (the dogs’) faults and virtues.”
<h2>“Quality is the difference between pottery and porcelain”</h2>
<blockquote>“Nigel drummed in to me the need to have quality in the dogs we reward,” Brace said. “You won’t find the word quality in any breed standard, but it is the one vital ingredient that we all need in our top winning dogs.”</blockquote>
Brace’s judging advice:
<ul>
 	<li>Always look at the overall picture when assessing a dog, rather than dissecting and evaluating individual details.</li>
 	<li>The secret is to find virtues.</li>
 	<li>Always stand back from a lineup of dogs and study silhouettes.</li>
</ul><br/>
Join us next week when Mr. Brace shares his knowledge on successful dog breeding.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>“Totally Obsessed with Dogs” and Finding Quality</h1>
Born to a long tradition of dogmen from Wales, Andrew Brace acquired his first Boxer in 1963 and began judging in the UK while still a young man. A strong voice in the international purebred dog community today, Brace is a long-time breeder, Best in Show judge and author.
<div id="attachment_5728" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 210px">

<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Brace-full-pix.jpg"></a>
<p id="caption-attachment-5728" class="wp-caption-text">Andrew Brace about to judge the European Semi-Final of the Eukanuba World Challenge at the Split Summer Night Shows in Croatia</p>

</div>
“I was totally obsessed with dogs ever since I can remember,” Brace said.

As a child he was immersed in the purebred dog scene, stewarding, traveling, reading dog books and joining dog clubs. One of his favorite early memories, after learning his beloved Bruce the Boxer was monorchid and couldn’t be shown, is being given the job of “Honorary Veterinary Steward” — holding the towel for the veterinarian who was checking dogs in for the ring.
<h2>Match shows create community</h2>
The UK today, Brace said, has 27 all-breeds championship shows, with only five have championship points available for every recognized breed. Many more matches and open shows, where championship points are not awarded, are available. Brace noted that these shows offer a “social exercise” for the exhibitors where they can enjoy a day out and meet up with their friends.
<h2>Mentors offer a step up</h2>
<div id="attachment_5730" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px">

<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Nigel-and-AHB.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-5730" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Nigel-and-AHB-300x213.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="213" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5730" /></a>
<p id="caption-attachment-5730" class="wp-caption-text">Andrew Brace with his “idol and mentor”,
Nigel Aubrey Jones, pictured at the dinner
that followed one the Kennel Review
Tournaments of Champions, held at the
Pontchartrain Hotel in Detroit.</p>

</div>
“If people are honest,” Brace said, “they all will admit they had help, from their elders and betters. People who gave them a step up. I’m very conscious to try and help young people I see who have a spart, as other people helped me.”

Brace counts fellow Welshman and famed Pekingese breeder Nigel Aubrey Jones as the guiding influence in his life.
<blockquote>“Nigel was a genius. He was my idol and my mentor,” Brace said. “I learned so much from him. He was my biggest critic and greatest supporter. He and Bill Taylor were remarkable gentlemen. Their quest for perfection in breeding Pekingese changed the breed worldwide. To be honest there isn’t a day goes by I don’t miss Nigel.”</blockquote>
<h2>An eye for a dog</h2>
<div id="attachment_5729" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px">

<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/BraceSantaBarbara.jpg"><img class="wp-image-5729 size-medium" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/BraceSantaBarbara-300x169.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="169" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5729" /></a>
<p id="caption-attachment-5729" class="wp-caption-text">Andrew Brace judging Best in Breeders Sweepstakes at Santa Barbara Kennel Club.</p>

</div>
Things were not very scientific in becoming a judge, Brace noted. “It was very much about being identified as having an eye for a dog and then refining it through careful study and experience,” Brace said.

The UK had many large kennels in those days, Brace added. “I would ask breeders if I could visit to learn about breed. People were always welcoming and keen to share their knowledge, being ruthlessly honest about (the dogs’) faults and virtues.”
<h2>“Quality is the difference between pottery and porcelain”</h2>
<blockquote>“Nigel drummed in to me the need to have quality in the dogs we reward,” Brace said. “You won’t find the word quality in any breed standard, but it is the one vital ingredient that we all need in our top winning dogs.”</blockquote>
Brace’s judging advice:
<ul>
 	<li>Always look at the overall picture when assessing a dog, rather than dissecting and evaluating individual details.</li>
 	<li>The secret is to find virtues.</li>
 	<li>Always stand back from a lineup of dogs and study silhouettes.</li>
</ul><br/>
Join us next week when Mr. Brace shares his knowledge on successful dog breeding.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/andrew-brace-totally-obsessed-with-dogs-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=5725</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2018 15:28:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/24caa378-4d9c-4d24-bd5a-30ef24686b95/andrew-brace-interview-part1-.mp3" length="20404710" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>21:15</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>195 – “Brace Yourself” for a Peek at the Masters</title><itunes:title>195 – “Brace Yourself” for a Peek at the Masters</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Behind the Scenes Peek at the Masters</h1>
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<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/panel.jpg"></a>
<p id="caption-attachment-5743" class="wp-caption-text">Brace (center) moderating a panel with Michael Canalizo, Mary Dukes, Peter Green and a young handler from Europe.</p>

</div>
In the second installment of my interview with international dogman <strong>Andrew Brace</strong>, he shares his personal memories of masters in the sport. His observations and interactions with Anne Rogers Clark, Pat Trotter, Jason Lynn, Frank Sabella, Michael Canalizo, Mary Dukes and more are legend unto themselves.

Brace wrote for top dog magazines from an early age. He had a weekly column in the UK’s <em>Dog World</em> for more than 30 years and later a column in DogNews. He was co-author with Clark of the <strong>International Encyclopedia of Dogs</strong>, authored several books on his own, hosted television programs and has interviewed world-renowned legends in the sport.
<div id="attachment_5744" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px">

<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/cruiserARC.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-5744" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/cruiserARC-240x300.jpg" alt="cruiserARC" width="240" height="300" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5744" /></a>
<p id="caption-attachment-5744" class="wp-caption-text">Anne Rogers Clark with one of her many, many “finds”…. 6 month old Cruiser, who would become BIS/BISS DC/AFC JetSet’s RagTop Day at Scotia, JH, CD… handled by Laura Reeves. Bred by Jane (Reeves) Bonaccorso. Owned by Tom &amp; Jodi Quesnell.</p>

</div>
<h2>Memories of legends</h2>
He offers a particularly intimate portrait of his work with Mrs. Clark, interviewing her and writing the Enclyopedia.
<blockquote>“She was extremely frank about all her doubts and fears,” Brace said. “She explained that it was her husband Jim who really created the image everyone got to see. Jim built her up to be a much more self-confident woman who stood tall and proud and eventually got to the stage that everyone wanted to be Annie’s gang. Annie was without doubt the most complex person I’ve ever met. A total one-off.”</blockquote>
In his many media gigs, Brace interviewed top members of the sport, including Mrs. Trotter.

“Pat is such a charismatic lady with infinite knowledge,” Brace said. “One of those people who can just articulate her thoughts so perfectly. Pearls of wisdom just drop from her lips one after the other.”
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<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/IMG_6015.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-5742" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/IMG_6015-293x300.jpg" alt="" width="293" height="300" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5742" /></a>
<p id="caption-attachment-5742" class="wp-caption-text">Brace leading the Master Class with Jason Lynn and Frank Sabella</p>

</div>
He also moderated a series of Master Classes, including one with Mr. Lynn and Mr. Sabella.

“Jason was always kind of the quiet guy in the background,” Brace noted. “I was totally amazed. People were just spellbound.”
<blockquote>“When I was a teenager, my friends had posters of pop stars or footballers on their bedroom walls,” Brace recalled. “I, of course, had the famous photo of Frank (Sabella) in a tight white vest on Malibu Beach with Command Performance the white standard poodle in midair. At that time, little did I think I would ever meet this legend, much less become one of his closest friends.”</blockquote>
<div id="attachment_5747" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px">

<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/IMG_6013.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-5747" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/IMG_6013-300x219.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="219" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5747" /></a>
<p id="caption-attachment-5747" class="wp-caption-text">Brace with his early idol and later friend, Frank Sabella.</p>

</div>
Currently on a hiatus from judging while taking care of his aging mother, Brace said he misses the chance to “find” a great dog, often as a youngster. He partially makes up for it with the occasional litter evaluation.

“I just adore looking at puppies. I like to see them at 8 weeks as they tend to be in proportion. I want to see them just stroll around yard. In this way, you can see overall shape, how the puppy carries itself, where it puts its feet down. You can see how it interacts with its littermates. So really those qualities we look for in a show dog are there from the start. Every once a while you see something strutting around the yard that just has that extra something, you think yeah…. And then you watch it blossom. That is the future.”

Join us Thursday for our final installment in this wonderful series. I’ve included links to a few of Brace’s books below. You can also check out the YouTube video teaser for the DVD of the Master Class series with Jason Lynn and Frank Sabella. And don’t forget to listen to my interview with Jason here on PureDogTalk if you haven’t already!

Be sure to listen to the end of the show for <strong>Allison Foley’s</strong> Tip of the Week from the Leading Edge Dog Show Academy about “making your own brand with your trimming."]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Behind the Scenes Peek at the Masters</h1>
<div id="attachment_5743" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px">

<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/panel.jpg"></a>
<p id="caption-attachment-5743" class="wp-caption-text">Brace (center) moderating a panel with Michael Canalizo, Mary Dukes, Peter Green and a young handler from Europe.</p>

</div>
In the second installment of my interview with international dogman <strong>Andrew Brace</strong>, he shares his personal memories of masters in the sport. His observations and interactions with Anne Rogers Clark, Pat Trotter, Jason Lynn, Frank Sabella, Michael Canalizo, Mary Dukes and more are legend unto themselves.

Brace wrote for top dog magazines from an early age. He had a weekly column in the UK’s <em>Dog World</em> for more than 30 years and later a column in DogNews. He was co-author with Clark of the <strong>International Encyclopedia of Dogs</strong>, authored several books on his own, hosted television programs and has interviewed world-renowned legends in the sport.
<div id="attachment_5744" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px">

<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/cruiserARC.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-5744" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/cruiserARC-240x300.jpg" alt="cruiserARC" width="240" height="300" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5744" /></a>
<p id="caption-attachment-5744" class="wp-caption-text">Anne Rogers Clark with one of her many, many “finds”…. 6 month old Cruiser, who would become BIS/BISS DC/AFC JetSet’s RagTop Day at Scotia, JH, CD… handled by Laura Reeves. Bred by Jane (Reeves) Bonaccorso. Owned by Tom &amp; Jodi Quesnell.</p>

</div>
<h2>Memories of legends</h2>
He offers a particularly intimate portrait of his work with Mrs. Clark, interviewing her and writing the Enclyopedia.
<blockquote>“She was extremely frank about all her doubts and fears,” Brace said. “She explained that it was her husband Jim who really created the image everyone got to see. Jim built her up to be a much more self-confident woman who stood tall and proud and eventually got to the stage that everyone wanted to be Annie’s gang. Annie was without doubt the most complex person I’ve ever met. A total one-off.”</blockquote>
In his many media gigs, Brace interviewed top members of the sport, including Mrs. Trotter.

“Pat is such a charismatic lady with infinite knowledge,” Brace said. “One of those people who can just articulate her thoughts so perfectly. Pearls of wisdom just drop from her lips one after the other.”
<div id="attachment_5742" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 303px">

<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/IMG_6015.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-5742" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/IMG_6015-293x300.jpg" alt="" width="293" height="300" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5742" /></a>
<p id="caption-attachment-5742" class="wp-caption-text">Brace leading the Master Class with Jason Lynn and Frank Sabella</p>

</div>
He also moderated a series of Master Classes, including one with Mr. Lynn and Mr. Sabella.

“Jason was always kind of the quiet guy in the background,” Brace noted. “I was totally amazed. People were just spellbound.”
<blockquote>“When I was a teenager, my friends had posters of pop stars or footballers on their bedroom walls,” Brace recalled. “I, of course, had the famous photo of Frank (Sabella) in a tight white vest on Malibu Beach with Command Performance the white standard poodle in midair. At that time, little did I think I would ever meet this legend, much less become one of his closest friends.”</blockquote>
<div id="attachment_5747" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px">

<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/IMG_6013.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-5747" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/IMG_6013-300x219.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="219" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5747" /></a>
<p id="caption-attachment-5747" class="wp-caption-text">Brace with his early idol and later friend, Frank Sabella.</p>

</div>
Currently on a hiatus from judging while taking care of his aging mother, Brace said he misses the chance to “find” a great dog, often as a youngster. He partially makes up for it with the occasional litter evaluation.

“I just adore looking at puppies. I like to see them at 8 weeks as they tend to be in proportion. I want to see them just stroll around yard. In this way, you can see overall shape, how the puppy carries itself, where it puts its feet down. You can see how it interacts with its littermates. So really those qualities we look for in a show dog are there from the start. Every once a while you see something strutting around the yard that just has that extra something, you think yeah…. And then you watch it blossom. That is the future.”

Join us Thursday for our final installment in this wonderful series. I’ve included links to a few of Brace’s books below. You can also check out the YouTube video teaser for the DVD of the Master Class series with Jason Lynn and Frank Sabella. And don’t forget to listen to my interview with Jason here on PureDogTalk if you haven’t already!

Be sure to listen to the end of the show for <strong>Allison Foley’s</strong> Tip of the Week from the Leading Edge Dog Show Academy about “making your own brand with your trimming."]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/brace-yourself-for-a-peek-at-the-masters-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=5740</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2018 15:52:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/a18a784a-a3d3-48c4-b536-c15a6206a3ed/andrew-brace-interview-part-3-1.mp3" length="23866667" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>24:52</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>196 – “Bracing” Talk: Pedigrees, Critiques and Skill</title><itunes:title>196 – “Bracing” Talk: Pedigrees, Critiques and Skill</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Andrew Brace on Pedigrees, Critiques and Skillful Handlers</h1>
In the third and final installment of my interview with international dogman <strong>Andrew Brace</strong>, he shared his knowledge on reading pedigrees, writing judge’s critiques and the definition of expert presentation in a wide-ranging and brutally honest discussion.

Our conversation also touched on the influence of animal rights extremism on the UK’s “high profile breeds” vet checks. Brace additionally noted the correlation between health issues in our breeds and the increasing tendency for breeders to “take Mother Nature’s job from her.”
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<p id="caption-attachment-5757" class="wp-caption-text">Andrew Brace last showed a dog at Crufts 2000 when he retired having handled his BIS winning Beagle, UK Ch Dialynne Tolliver of Tragband.</p>

</div>
<h2>Breed the best to the best to get the best</h2>
“Dedicated breeders are constantly aiming to improve their stock,” Brace said. “Those breeders who think breeding a winner is simply a matter of mating a winning bitch to a winning dog fail to realize the value and implications of the pedigree and do not understand what a valuable breeding tool this is.
<blockquote>“You need to be able to read a pedigree. This is where the truly great breeders score. The pedigree supplies valuable information –  provided the reader has researched the dogs who appear in it. (Master) breeders study a pedigree of at least five generations. If they don’t know all the dogs in it personally, they’ll research them by seeking out photographs or simply asking older breeders who are still around exactly where these dogs scored and failed.</blockquote>
“In this way they build up a comprehensive picture of their dog’s ancestry. They will, over a period of time, be able to assess what faults and virtues lie behind their breeding stock. And, perhaps more importantly, establish which dogs were responsible for producing them,” Brace said.

“Correct is not produced by mating two extremes,” Brace added. “A potential parent who lacks in one area should be mated to a dog that excels in that failing. A dog that’s slightly straight behind will not produce perfect rear angulation by mating it to a dog that is hopelessly over angulated. Its chosen mate should have correct angulation.”
<h2>“Winning” dog is not always the same as “best” dog</h2>
“We have focused on show dogs,” Brace said. “In many breeds, this has meant that dogs that are perhaps a little exaggerated in one way or another have taken the eye of the judge over the dogs who are maybe more correctly balanced or constructed because they have a little sense of drama about them.
<blockquote>“It is our responsibility as judges to reward the correct dog over those dogs that have probably won a ton of best in shows by virtue of the fact that they fly around the ring with their long necks, gay tails and dripping in hair.”</blockquote>
<h2>Useful written critiques</h2>
<blockquote>“When writing critiques, I think it’s essential to detail the dog’s outstanding virtues but also mention any obvious shortcomings, which can always be done tactfully,” Brace said. “For example, ‘Head like a bucket’ and ‘prefer a cleaner backskull’ – they mean the same thing, but one is more palatable. It isn’t necessary to describe the dog from head to tail but, concentrate major pluses and minuses.”</blockquote>
Listen to renowned judge <em><strong><a href="https://puredogtalk.com/13-legendary-akc-judge-virgina-ginny-lyne-2/">Ginny Lyne</a> </strong></em>on this topic.
<h2>Merge into the background</h2>
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<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/BIS.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-5758" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/BIS-300x275.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="275" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5758" /></a>
<p id="caption-attachment-5758" class="wp-caption-text">Andrew Brace judging the American Pointer Club 2007 National Specialty. BOB Ch Cookieland Seasyde Hollyberry, handled by Michael Scott.</p>

</div>
“It is little wonder that some of your most successful handlers go on to become outstanding judges,” Brace noted. “The thought process is exactly the same. Handling is the art of emphasizing a dog’s virtues whilst disguising its faults. Judging is all about recognizing the virtues yet getting the faults into perspective.

“Some countries, unfortunately, have produced some so-called professional handlers who have clearly watched a lot of American videos, bought some flashy jackets and race around the ring with dogs of indeterminate quality. They often carry too many dogs to do justice to and its obvious they aren’t kept in the best of conditions. These are the guys that are just doing it to make a buck. They aren’t handlers as I understand the word.
<blockquote>“The best handlers are those who are so skillfully unobtrusive that they just seem to merge into the background. These experts have the ability to project the dog to the judge at first sight,” Brace added.</blockquote>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Andrew Brace on Pedigrees, Critiques and Skillful Handlers</h1>
In the third and final installment of my interview with international dogman <strong>Andrew Brace</strong>, he shared his knowledge on reading pedigrees, writing judge’s critiques and the definition of expert presentation in a wide-ranging and brutally honest discussion.

Our conversation also touched on the influence of animal rights extremism on the UK’s “high profile breeds” vet checks. Brace additionally noted the correlation between health issues in our breeds and the increasing tendency for breeders to “take Mother Nature’s job from her.”
<div id="attachment_5757" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 212px">

<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Andrew-H-Brace-Ch-Dialynne-Tolliver-of-Tragband.jpg"></a>
<p id="caption-attachment-5757" class="wp-caption-text">Andrew Brace last showed a dog at Crufts 2000 when he retired having handled his BIS winning Beagle, UK Ch Dialynne Tolliver of Tragband.</p>

</div>
<h2>Breed the best to the best to get the best</h2>
“Dedicated breeders are constantly aiming to improve their stock,” Brace said. “Those breeders who think breeding a winner is simply a matter of mating a winning bitch to a winning dog fail to realize the value and implications of the pedigree and do not understand what a valuable breeding tool this is.
<blockquote>“You need to be able to read a pedigree. This is where the truly great breeders score. The pedigree supplies valuable information –  provided the reader has researched the dogs who appear in it. (Master) breeders study a pedigree of at least five generations. If they don’t know all the dogs in it personally, they’ll research them by seeking out photographs or simply asking older breeders who are still around exactly where these dogs scored and failed.</blockquote>
“In this way they build up a comprehensive picture of their dog’s ancestry. They will, over a period of time, be able to assess what faults and virtues lie behind their breeding stock. And, perhaps more importantly, establish which dogs were responsible for producing them,” Brace said.

“Correct is not produced by mating two extremes,” Brace added. “A potential parent who lacks in one area should be mated to a dog that excels in that failing. A dog that’s slightly straight behind will not produce perfect rear angulation by mating it to a dog that is hopelessly over angulated. Its chosen mate should have correct angulation.”
<h2>“Winning” dog is not always the same as “best” dog</h2>
“We have focused on show dogs,” Brace said. “In many breeds, this has meant that dogs that are perhaps a little exaggerated in one way or another have taken the eye of the judge over the dogs who are maybe more correctly balanced or constructed because they have a little sense of drama about them.
<blockquote>“It is our responsibility as judges to reward the correct dog over those dogs that have probably won a ton of best in shows by virtue of the fact that they fly around the ring with their long necks, gay tails and dripping in hair.”</blockquote>
<h2>Useful written critiques</h2>
<blockquote>“When writing critiques, I think it’s essential to detail the dog’s outstanding virtues but also mention any obvious shortcomings, which can always be done tactfully,” Brace said. “For example, ‘Head like a bucket’ and ‘prefer a cleaner backskull’ – they mean the same thing, but one is more palatable. It isn’t necessary to describe the dog from head to tail but, concentrate major pluses and minuses.”</blockquote>
Listen to renowned judge <em><strong><a href="https://puredogtalk.com/13-legendary-akc-judge-virgina-ginny-lyne-2/">Ginny Lyne</a> </strong></em>on this topic.
<h2>Merge into the background</h2>
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<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/BIS.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-5758" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/BIS-300x275.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="275" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5758" /></a>
<p id="caption-attachment-5758" class="wp-caption-text">Andrew Brace judging the American Pointer Club 2007 National Specialty. BOB Ch Cookieland Seasyde Hollyberry, handled by Michael Scott.</p>

</div>
“It is little wonder that some of your most successful handlers go on to become outstanding judges,” Brace noted. “The thought process is exactly the same. Handling is the art of emphasizing a dog’s virtues whilst disguising its faults. Judging is all about recognizing the virtues yet getting the faults into perspective.

“Some countries, unfortunately, have produced some so-called professional handlers who have clearly watched a lot of American videos, bought some flashy jackets and race around the ring with dogs of indeterminate quality. They often carry too many dogs to do justice to and its obvious they aren’t kept in the best of conditions. These are the guys that are just doing it to make a buck. They aren’t handlers as I understand the word.
<blockquote>“The best handlers are those who are so skillfully unobtrusive that they just seem to merge into the background. These experts have the ability to project the dog to the judge at first sight,” Brace added.</blockquote>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/bracing-talk-pedigrees-critiques-and-skill-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=5755</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2018 16:31:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/a1f9bb13-4a19-4478-9563-a92ed9e0ff1b/andrew-brace-interview-part-2-.mp3" length="29420090" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>30:39</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>210 – Bob &amp; Polly Smith: Foxhounds and Dog Shows</title><itunes:title>210 – Bob &amp; Polly Smith: Foxhounds and Dog Shows</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Foxhounds, Fox Hunting and Dog Shows</h1>
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<p id="caption-attachment-5924" class="wp-caption-text">Dr. Robert Smith judging at Westminster Kennel Club.</p>

</div>
Two of the most revered and well-known all-breed judges in the American Kennel Club system, Dr. Bob and Polly Smith share their journey starting as breeder-owner-handlers in American Foxhounds.

Polly was started by a Chow Chow breeder who tutored her for school. She showed her first dog at the National Capitol Kennel Club when she was 4 years old and won a blue ribbon. She was hooked from that moment. Bob had dogs all his life, eventually adopting a War Dog his brother brought back after WWII.
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<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/DJ-Grp-1-w-Polly-Smith.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-3304" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/DJ-Grp-1-w-Polly-Smith-300x240.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="240" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-3304" /></a>
<p id="caption-attachment-3304" class="wp-caption-text">Polly Smith</p>

</div>
<h2>“High Church”</h2>
“A great mistake is made,” Polly said, “because of low entries at AKC shows, that American Foxhounds are considered a rare breed. There are thousands of Foxhounds out there. The pack hounds associated with horses and riding to the hounds are considered the ‘High Church’ of foxhounds. Many dogs also participate in Night Hunting and Field trials.”

Many different “strains” make up the American Foxhound breed. Bob and Polly shared in depth historical information on these various lines of dogs. Listen to the podcast or check out their <strong><em><u><a href="https://www.amazon.com/American-Foxhound-Complete-Reliable-Handbook/dp/0793807735" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">book</a></u></em></strong> on the subject.
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<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/IMG_2001-e1535818986771.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-6010" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/IMG_2001-e1535818986771-225x300.jpg" alt="" width="225" height="300" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-6010" /></a>
<p id="caption-attachment-6010" class="wp-caption-text">Dr. Robert Smith, with their first Best In Show Dog</p>

</div>
<h2>Song of the hounds</h2>
“Fox hunting, it’s something… more like a religion than hobby or sport,” Polly observed, noting that she rode to the hounds regularly while she was in college.

She strongly recommends the fictional “Sister Jane” book series by <strong><em><u><a href="/www.ritamaebrownbooks.com/series/sister-jane" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Rita Mae Brown</a></u></em></strong> for an upclose understanding of the sport.

Talking about training Foxhounds for the chase, starting them as puppies with an older bitch, foxes who understand scent even better than the dogs, Polly shared her tremendous enthusiasm for the sport. The dogs are judged on speed, drive and finding the fox. They are often run in huge enclosures to ensure the safety of all participants.

“The intent of foxhunting is not to kill (the fox),” Bob said. “It’s the fun of the chase.” Polly added that the foxes even get in to the game, knowing when the dogs are put away and they can come out for marshmallows and treats.

“Hounds sing,” Polly said. “It’s beautiful music. You can tell when a hound strikes. We’re the dummies when it comes to scenting conditions. The foxes know best, then hounds, then us.

“We tried to keep hunting instinct in our dogs. I think we’ve gone away from that in AKC.”
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<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/IMG_2004.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-6011" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/IMG_2004-229x300.jpg" alt="" width="229" height="300" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-6011" /></a>
<p id="caption-attachment-6011" class="wp-caption-text">Polly Smith with their foundation bitch, dam of two multi-BIS winners.</p>

</div>
<h2>A different era in dog shows</h2>
Bob added that dog shows, particularly, are in rough place.

“The state of the sport is iffy,” Bob said. “You don’t have the passion, sportsmanship is not as strong. It’s more of a business than it used to be.”

Polly added that professional handlers of their time, people like George Ward, Dick Cooper and Bobby Fisher, were able to show any breed and were supportive of owner handlers.

“We don’t have as much of that,” Polly said. “They taught us a lot. They didn’t give up an inch in the group ring but they were very helpful in bringing you along.” Bob added that he and Polly always set up with handlers when they were showing dogs, watching, learning and helping them.

Polly said many people today don’t take the long view of a breeding program and instead dog shows are “a race to see how fast you can finish” a dog.

“We have to change with the times, I guess,” Polly said. “But some of us kick and scream going down. The history should not be lost.”
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Laura: Pure Dog Talk is the voice of purebred dogs. We talked to the legends of the sport and give you the tips and tools to create an awesome life with your purebred dog, from showing to preservation breeding, from competitive obedience to field work, from agility to therapy dogs, and all the fun in between. Your passion is our purpose.
Laura: Welcome to pure dog talk. I'm your host, Laura Reeves, and I have today two very, very special guests, Dr Bob and Polly Smith, two all-breed judges in our system and people long steeped in history in this sport. And I'm so excited and particularly because I understand, I just heard this Dr. Bob, you're going to retire at the end of this year..
Bob: I'm not retiring, I'm not accepting assignments except those shows that I particularly want to do... after this year.
Polly: I'm not retiring.
Laura: But... we're not going to see you as often. And so this was a wonderful opportunities, so thank you. So tell us, tell our listeners the 411. I know some of it, I'm sure I know not even half of it. So how did you get started in dogs? Why did you get got started in dogs?
Polly: Many years ago -- my grandparents raised me -- and my grandmother sent me next door to be tutored. And the lady that tutored me had Chow Chows and showed them. And so I would study in the morning and then we would play dog show in the afternoon and that's how she got me to study. And then the first show I showed at was National Capital when I was 4 years old. And I won't tell you the year
Laura: It was just yesterday!
Polly: Ha ha...And I won a blue ribbon. That road -- Columbia Pike -- had a number of top breeders -- Bill Tuten who bred bulldogs (Rootin' Tutin Bulldogs) lived on it and the Noppenbergers who raised Collies lived on it.
Laura: And what state and city?
Polly: This was in Ellicott City, Maryland. And that's how I actually got started in dogs. And after we got married, um, got interested.
Laura: He's your responsibility, is that what you're saying?
Polly: Yes.
Bob: Well, I had had had dogs all my life, one type or another from mixed breeds to purebreds. I was fifth of six children and my oldest brother came back from World War II and brought a German shepherd that had been a war dog, actually the messenger dog, and he became my companion, basically. That was my start in dogs, but I didn't get interested in dog shows until after Polly and I were married.
Laura: And did you start with the Foxhounds right away? How did we come to Foxhounds?
Polly: Bob went back to graduate school down in Columbia, South Carolina. And he was working at the hospital at night, so he got me a German Shepherd. And the lady that ran the Columbia Kennel Club in South Carolina was Lucy Bostick, a well known Cocker Breeder, and she got us into the Columbia Kennel Club with this German Shepherd that Bob bought me. Unfortunately it won at a match the whole working group that Frank MacArthur was judging. He was a handler from them.
Bob: He later became a judge.
Laura: Yes. The name again, familiar,
Polly: And of course we thought we had the top dog in the world, which turned out NOT to be the top dog by any means.
Bob: Not even the top dog . ??? (I don't know but probably hilarious
Polly: Later on, when when Bob went to graduate school at Vanderbilt for his PhD, we met Chuck Trotter and his first wife, Becky, who showed Afghan Hounds. And Becky also showed a Foxhound for Dr. Fred Vaught and we ended up getting an American Foxhound from Dr. Vaught and that was the beginning of our winning and our success. We got out of German Shepherds.
Bob: At that time we had moved from South Carolina -- actually from Vanderbilt -- up to Michigan. I was teaching there and a member of the Kalamazoo Kennel Club was attending a match that we were at with the Foxhound and I didn't win the Hound group. I guess I went second in the Hound group and he said that's the end of the German shepherds and it was.
Polly: It was Tony Stamm of Anstamm Scotties. And we got in the Kalamazoo Kennel Club.
Laura: And how long were you guys in Michigan for?
Bob and Polly: Seven years. Seven years. And then we went to Mississippi and then we cam back to Virginia.
Laura: That's where I think of you is Virginia
Bob: But we were in Mississippi for about 20 years.
Polly: And then we moved to...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Foxhounds, Fox Hunting and Dog Shows</h1>
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Two of the most revered and well-known all-breed judges in the American Kennel Club system, Dr. Bob and Polly Smith share their journey starting as breeder-owner-handlers in American Foxhounds.

Polly was started by a Chow Chow breeder who tutored her for school. She showed her first dog at the National Capitol Kennel Club when she was 4 years old and won a blue ribbon. She was hooked from that moment. Bob had dogs all his life, eventually adopting a War Dog his brother brought back after WWII.
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<h2>“High Church”</h2>
“A great mistake is made,” Polly said, “because of low entries at AKC shows, that American Foxhounds are considered a rare breed. There are thousands of Foxhounds out there. The pack hounds associated with horses and riding to the hounds are considered the ‘High Church’ of foxhounds. Many dogs also participate in Night Hunting and Field trials.”

Many different “strains” make up the American Foxhound breed. Bob and Polly shared in depth historical information on these various lines of dogs. Listen to the podcast or check out their <strong><em><u><a href="https://www.amazon.com/American-Foxhound-Complete-Reliable-Handbook/dp/0793807735" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">book</a></u></em></strong> on the subject.
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<h2>Song of the hounds</h2>
“Fox hunting, it’s something… more like a religion than hobby or sport,” Polly observed, noting that she rode to the hounds regularly while she was in college.

She strongly recommends the fictional “Sister Jane” book series by <strong><em><u><a href="/www.ritamaebrownbooks.com/series/sister-jane" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Rita Mae Brown</a></u></em></strong> for an upclose understanding of the sport.

Talking about training Foxhounds for the chase, starting them as puppies with an older bitch, foxes who understand scent even better than the dogs, Polly shared her tremendous enthusiasm for the sport. The dogs are judged on speed, drive and finding the fox. They are often run in huge enclosures to ensure the safety of all participants.

“The intent of foxhunting is not to kill (the fox),” Bob said. “It’s the fun of the chase.” Polly added that the foxes even get in to the game, knowing when the dogs are put away and they can come out for marshmallows and treats.

“Hounds sing,” Polly said. “It’s beautiful music. You can tell when a hound strikes. We’re the dummies when it comes to scenting conditions. The foxes know best, then hounds, then us.

“We tried to keep hunting instinct in our dogs. I think we’ve gone away from that in AKC.”
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<h2>A different era in dog shows</h2>
Bob added that dog shows, particularly, are in rough place.

“The state of the sport is iffy,” Bob said. “You don’t have the passion, sportsmanship is not as strong. It’s more of a business than it used to be.”

Polly added that professional handlers of their time, people like George Ward, Dick Cooper and Bobby Fisher, were able to show any breed and were supportive of owner handlers.

“We don’t have as much of that,” Polly said. “They taught us a lot. They didn’t give up an inch in the group ring but they were very helpful in bringing you along.” Bob added that he and Polly always set up with handlers when they were showing dogs, watching, learning and helping them.

Polly said many people today don’t take the long view of a breeding program and instead dog shows are “a race to see how fast you can finish” a dog.

“We have to change with the times, I guess,” Polly said. “But some of us kick and scream going down. The history should not be lost.”
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Laura: Pure Dog Talk is the voice of purebred dogs. We talked to the legends of the sport and give you the tips and tools to create an awesome life with your purebred dog, from showing to preservation breeding, from competitive obedience to field work, from agility to therapy dogs, and all the fun in between. Your passion is our purpose.
Laura: Welcome to pure dog talk. I'm your host, Laura Reeves, and I have today two very, very special guests, Dr Bob and Polly Smith, two all-breed judges in our system and people long steeped in history in this sport. And I'm so excited and particularly because I understand, I just heard this Dr. Bob, you're going to retire at the end of this year..
Bob: I'm not retiring, I'm not accepting assignments except those shows that I particularly want to do... after this year.
Polly: I'm not retiring.
Laura: But... we're not going to see you as often. And so this was a wonderful opportunities, so thank you. So tell us, tell our listeners the 411. I know some of it, I'm sure I know not even half of it. So how did you get started in dogs? Why did you get got started in dogs?
Polly: Many years ago -- my grandparents raised me -- and my grandmother sent me next door to be tutored. And the lady that tutored me had Chow Chows and showed them. And so I would study in the morning and then we would play dog show in the afternoon and that's how she got me to study. And then the first show I showed at was National Capital when I was 4 years old. And I won't tell you the year
Laura: It was just yesterday!
Polly: Ha ha...And I won a blue ribbon. That road -- Columbia Pike -- had a number of top breeders -- Bill Tuten who bred bulldogs (Rootin' Tutin Bulldogs) lived on it and the Noppenbergers who raised Collies lived on it.
Laura: And what state and city?
Polly: This was in Ellicott City, Maryland. And that's how I actually got started in dogs. And after we got married, um, got interested.
Laura: He's your responsibility, is that what you're saying?
Polly: Yes.
Bob: Well, I had had had dogs all my life, one type or another from mixed breeds to purebreds. I was fifth of six children and my oldest brother came back from World War II and brought a German shepherd that had been a war dog, actually the messenger dog, and he became my companion, basically. That was my start in dogs, but I didn't get interested in dog shows until after Polly and I were married.
Laura: And did you start with the Foxhounds right away? How did we come to Foxhounds?
Polly: Bob went back to graduate school down in Columbia, South Carolina. And he was working at the hospital at night, so he got me a German Shepherd. And the lady that ran the Columbia Kennel Club in South Carolina was Lucy Bostick, a well known Cocker Breeder, and she got us into the Columbia Kennel Club with this German Shepherd that Bob bought me. Unfortunately it won at a match the whole working group that Frank MacArthur was judging. He was a handler from them.
Bob: He later became a judge.
Laura: Yes. The name again, familiar,
Polly: And of course we thought we had the top dog in the world, which turned out NOT to be the top dog by any means.
Bob: Not even the top dog . ??? (I don't know but probably hilarious
Polly: Later on, when when Bob went to graduate school at Vanderbilt for his PhD, we met Chuck Trotter and his first wife, Becky, who showed Afghan Hounds. And Becky also showed a Foxhound for Dr. Fred Vaught and we ended up getting an American Foxhound from Dr. Vaught and that was the beginning of our winning and our success. We got out of German Shepherds.
Bob: At that time we had moved from South Carolina -- actually from Vanderbilt -- up to Michigan. I was teaching there and a member of the Kalamazoo Kennel Club was attending a match that we were at with the Foxhound and I didn't win the Hound group. I guess I went second in the Hound group and he said that's the end of the German shepherds and it was.
Polly: It was Tony Stamm of Anstamm Scotties. And we got in the Kalamazoo Kennel Club.
Laura: And how long were you guys in Michigan for?
Bob and Polly: Seven years. Seven years. And then we went to Mississippi and then we cam back to Virginia.
Laura: That's where I think of you is Virginia
Bob: But we were in Mississippi for about 20 years.
Polly: And then we moved to Virginia and we've been there ever since. Bob is a native of Virginia and I'm a native, of course, of Maryland; so we were very happy to get home.
Laura: Yes, yes. That would definitely be more comfortable than Michigan. If you're from the southeast then Michigan would be terrifying. Oh my goodness. And so talk to me about American Foxhounds and then maybe we can do a little bit of compare and contrast because we've added so many new Hound breeds that fall into this group that even I am confused sometimes.
Polly: Well the great mistake that's made among people in AKC is because of the low entry and the low number of dogs registered with the American Kennel Club, they think of American foxhounds as being a rare breed, They are anything but a rare breed. There are thousands of American Foxhounds out there. And really we have two types -- we have the pack hound which you associate with the horses, and riding, and fox hunting, like the English style and really that is what we always called the "High Church of Fox Hunting" -- and then you also have those people, primarily in the southeast and some of the Midwest,
Bob: They go as far west as Texas and as far north as Pennsylvania - and even New York, I guess.
Polly: They hunt at night
Laura: So they do the night hunting that we think of more traditionally with Coonhounds or something.
Polly: Well, not the same way.
Bob: Yes, but it is night hunting, yes.
Polly: And they do more of the field trial. Almost any huntsman, the ones that have packs, have only ever been to field trials that were run with pack hounds. And they know the voice of every hound they have and if they don't they're not very good at it. And they all have a distinct voice to them.
Laura: Well you think. I mean I can tell which one of my dogs is barking, so it makes perfect sense to me.
Bob: Sure -- same principle.
Polly: But with the pack hounds, most of the hunts will want an even pack -- either in color or size. They're primarily right now, I'm not sure, i don't think we have any totally English packs anymore -- of just English Foxhounds.
Polly: We have the Crossbred Hound -- which has a standard for that breed.
Laura: Is that the English American foxhound?
Polly: No, no. It's the Crossbred, but it's a cross between English and American. Don't feel bad. And then you have the American Foxhound, the English Foxhound, the Crossbred, and then we have the Penn-Marydel Hound, which I think of as... IT is an American treasure. Now. AKC.
Laura: Nothing. I know nothing about this. Tell me about that.
Polly: You can show Penn-Marydel Hounds in an AKC show as an American Foxhound, but with the Masters and in their shows, they are shown as a separate breed. I have done their National and they are a beautiful dog.
Laura: So tell me the difference...
Polly: Sightly different head, the head type The head, body... just a different all over hound.
Bob: Because it is a different breed, a different breed. But there are several strains of American Foxhound. Today, in this day and age, it's primarily two breeds or strains -- the Trig and the Walker. Those are the two predominant strains, but over the years there have been a number of others - Trigs and Julys and Goodmans and...
Polly: Mostly what you will see at an AKC show is a Walker. We bred a combination of Trig and Walker. And you also have the July Hound, which is a wonderful breed and you have the Goodmans.
Laura: And these are all separate breeds that come into AKC and show as American Foxhounds.
Bob: They are strains of American Foxhounds -- yes.
Polly: Now the Trigs still hold their own National, separate from the International Foxhounds,
Bob: Which is probably predominantly Walker Hounds.
Polly: And Walkers are the fastest hounds. They will win most of your field trials and they predominantly win your bench shows.
Laura: So you guys have gone and ridden,yes?
Polly: Actually, when I went to college I took my horse down to Mary Washington. I had ridden and hunted as a child in Maryland. And then I took my mare down to Mary Washington and hunted while I was in college.
Laura: Awesome. So this is gonna sound weird, but tell me about that. Just the joy of it. I do horseback field trials with pointing dogs, so I want you to share with our listeners how amazing that is.
Polly: It's more like a religion than a hobby or a sport because people that foxhunt are adamant about it... whatever type they do. You have different people that hunt in the packs. You have some that hunt because they like to ride, and they want to be out and they want to be cantering across the field. You have the others who hunt because they liked the work that the hounds do. stocks And anyone who is interested in learning about it should read Rita Mae Brown's books -- well she's written different series, but she has a series of Sister Jane who is the master of her own pack and outside Charlottesville.
Laura: And is this a true story?
Polly: No.
Bob: No. Actually Rita Mae is the master of her own pack.
Laura: Oh my gosh.
Polly: And actually she came over to our shows last January. We have the American Foxhound National and she came over and presented the trophies. And I mean, you could tell how into the hounds she was because she was up at ringside watching from the sweepstakes that Edd Biven was judging on through all the classes. She was watching to see how they did it...
Polly: And were they doing it intently and I thought...don't go in and tell them they're doing it wrong.
Laura: Yeah, no, you could see it on her face. Right?
Bob: Don't screw it up.
Polly: It's a wonderful breed. It brings together two, At the Foxhound National years ago, not so much now because we have run out of places to hunt open as I'm sure you find with your dog.
Laura: Yeah
Polly: But but we would have the bench show on Sunday and it was divided. We never show puppies to get their championships.
Laura: Interesting
Polly: Well they can't be entered in the hunt so therefore they can't be.
Laura: So how old do they have to be to be in the hunt?
Polly: A year old. Well, most of them, they come back after their puppy in a year and then they are entered the next season in as they'll go cubbing and they learn.
Laura: Cubbing? I love that.
Polly: And so at the national you have Derby Dog, Derby Bitch, All Aged Dog and All Age Bitch. So the Derby Dogs run in their own field trial and they can't be over two years old -- they have to be between a year and two years. The All Age can be two years and up. It doesn't matter how old they are. And if you want to hold your bench winnings, your confirmation winnings, then you must be cast in the field.
Laura: I love that.
Polly: Now you can be scratched,
Bob: You can even hope that you are scratched.
Polly: And most of them that are show dogs hope that they are scratched.
Laura: Oh my goodness. And that is a rule of your National Club?
Polly: Of the international Foxhounds, not the AKC,
Laura: You hunt them three days. They cast them 15 minutes after sunrise, and then they're blown off about noon, and then you pick them all up. It's not as hard to pick 'em up anymore because we have tracking collars. It makes life so much easier. It makes life much easier when tracking collars. So the Derbys are on for three days and then they All Ages run for three days.
Laura: Amazing. And so you run them like in the morning for three days straight?
Polly: Right, and you go to a different casting ground each day.
Bob: And they have judges, most of them were on horseback right? Nowadays it's a 4 wheeler.
Laura: Oh, do they use the a 4 wheeler?
Polly: Well a 4 wheeler really breaks up the hunt - horseback or mule is much better.
Laura: I agree. As we're starting to see that in field trials too.
Bob and Polly: They are judged on several things too -- speed, drive, finding the fox.
Polly: You know, and a lot of times when you're training and we train a lot in puppy pens, now we have fox pens, which the animal rights people don't like, but they're wonderful. The foxes are given rabies shots, they're fed, their dens... everything.
Laura: And so, okay, this is going to be forever. I'm so loving this. Tell me about how you train a foxhound with a fox.
Polly: Well, it's instinct -- you don't start puppies young because if they're really good, they're going to run, and they're going to run themselves out. But how we did it years ago, and we've hunted in the open. We had big tracks of forest in Mississippi and a very good friend of ours who was a fox hunter, trained a lot of our hounds and we went with them. And you'd normally you'd have an old bitch rather than a dog. It's almost always an old bitch who's really good at finding the fox.
Bob: It doesn't have to be a bitch, it could be a dog, but they are mostly bitches.
Polly: And once she hits, you'll put her out, when she hits and you'll have two or three dogs and whether you'll throw a couple puppies out. You never want to throw a lot of puppies together out because their little minds...
Laura: Yeah they pack up and they're gone.
Polly: Yeah, and this is how you do it. And then you'll bring 'em in. Well, normally in the hunt packs they'll have two different packs, either a bitch pack and a dog pack or two mixed packs. So like if you hunt two days a week, you'll hunt Tuesdays and Thursdays or Wednesdays and Saturdays, or whatever. You never hunt the same pack twice in a week.
Laura: So you don't want to run them out.
Polly: No, you don't want to run 'em out. And now with the fox pens you can take your dogs up, and you'll normally cast 'em around 8:00 or 9:00 when it's getting dark and they'll run and you can listen to them and they'll learn. And the strange thing is that the foxes also learn, so they know when you...
Laura: It's a game isn't it?
Bob: It is a game
Polly: It really is a game. And in the pens the foxes when they hear you calling the dogs in and they know they're all up, then...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/bob-polly-smith-foxhounds-and-dog-shows-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=5920</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2018 18:59:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/9addce6d-6c26-4387-86c6-572b86bbf93f/bob-polly-smith-interview.mp3" length="42653084" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>44:26</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>214 – Dancing with Dogs: Jere Marder, Lambluv OES</title><itunes:title>214 – Dancing with Dogs: Jere Marder, Lambluv OES</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1 class="BodyA">Her Dance Partner is Her Dog</h1>
<p class="BodyA">Jere Marder was a high school teacher when her husband brought her an OES puppy as a Christmas present. Her world-renowned <a href="http://www.lambluv.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em><strong>Lambluv</strong></em></a> Old English Sheepdogs are the result of a gift that has kept on giving for more than 40 years. She managed a successful breeding and show program for much of that time from a condo near Chicago.</p>
<p class="BodyA">But before that, she choreographed school musicals and taught at her own dance studio in the city. Lambluv dogs have reached #1 in both the Working group and since it was split in the Herding group. The first few were shown by a local professional handler, Jack Funk, but since then, Jere has taken over the leash and her top specials are exclusively breeder-owner handled.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1 class="BodyA">Her Dance Partner is Her Dog</h1>
<p class="BodyA">Jere Marder was a high school teacher when her husband brought her an OES puppy as a Christmas present. Her world-renowned <a href="http://www.lambluv.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em><strong>Lambluv</strong></em></a> Old English Sheepdogs are the result of a gift that has kept on giving for more than 40 years. She managed a successful breeding and show program for much of that time from a condo near Chicago.</p>
<p class="BodyA">But before that, she choreographed school musicals and taught at her own dance studio in the city. Lambluv dogs have reached #1 in both the Working group and since it was split in the Herding group. The first few were shown by a local professional handler, Jack Funk, but since then, Jere has taken over the leash and her top specials are exclusively breeder-owner handled.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/dancing-with-dogs-jere-marder-lambluv-oes-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=6003</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2018 13:10:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/a2813773-0bca-44c8-825c-5b0c66329c85/jere-marder-interview.mp3" length="29076928" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>30:17</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>218 – Legendary Dog Man Peter Green Brings History to Life</title><itunes:title>218 – Legendary Dog Man Peter Green Brings History to Life</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Peter Green riffs on great dogs, great rivalries and great memories</h1>
Join a wonderful conversation between legendary dog man <strong>Peter Green</strong> and his former apprentice <strong>Robert Paust</strong>, now an AKC judge in his own right. The two old friends reminisce about great dogs of the past, great wins, great friendships and great rivalries.

Green’s Welshman brogue has blurred but not faded from his voice in the 50-plus years he’s been working with dogs in the U.S. Starting in dogs showing Welsh Terriers with his uncle, Green began his career in the States in 1963. As was common at the time, he worked as a private handler for a prominent kennel to learn the business.
<h2>WKC BIS with the Lakeland</h2>
His professional handling career kicked in to high gear after he won Best in Show at Westminster Kennel Club with the great Lakeland Terrier, Ch. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stingray_of_Derryabah&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1">Stingray of Derryabah</a>, in 1968. In a career that spanned 40 years as one of the pre-eminent professional handlers in the country, Green piloted dogs to the big ribbon at the Garden four times. He is slated to judge BIS on the green carpet this coming February.

Green was very definite on his favorite dog of all time. In all the dogs, in all the years, the Wire Fox Terrier, Ch. Sunnybrook Spot On was his choice without hesitation.
<h2>Spot On vs Dominator and other great battles</h2>
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<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/IMG_1769.jpg"></a>
<p id="caption-attachment-6049" class="wp-caption-text">Peter Green, left, with Spot on and George Ward, right, with Dominator in one of the most-watched rivalries of the era.</p>

</div>
Listening to Green flashback to the tremendous <strong><em><u><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1978/02/26/archives/fatherson-terrier-combination-excels-arrived-from-england-in-1972.html">competition</a></u></em></strong> with his friend and rival George Ward, showing Spot On’s son, Ch Aryee’s Dominator, is a rush. Even as he’s reminiscing, Green is teaching without even thinking about it. He talks about how he showcased his dog’s movement in this high-stakes competition.

Dog show drama was alive and well, even in the “good old days,” according to Green. Good natured rivalries, and even those that weren’t so pleasant, behind the scenes stories, flaring tempers and redemption all flow from his memories.

Enjoy this priceless window into history.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Peter Green riffs on great dogs, great rivalries and great memories</h1>
Join a wonderful conversation between legendary dog man <strong>Peter Green</strong> and his former apprentice <strong>Robert Paust</strong>, now an AKC judge in his own right. The two old friends reminisce about great dogs of the past, great wins, great friendships and great rivalries.

Green’s Welshman brogue has blurred but not faded from his voice in the 50-plus years he’s been working with dogs in the U.S. Starting in dogs showing Welsh Terriers with his uncle, Green began his career in the States in 1963. As was common at the time, he worked as a private handler for a prominent kennel to learn the business.
<h2>WKC BIS with the Lakeland</h2>
His professional handling career kicked in to high gear after he won Best in Show at Westminster Kennel Club with the great Lakeland Terrier, Ch. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stingray_of_Derryabah&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1">Stingray of Derryabah</a>, in 1968. In a career that spanned 40 years as one of the pre-eminent professional handlers in the country, Green piloted dogs to the big ribbon at the Garden four times. He is slated to judge BIS on the green carpet this coming February.

Green was very definite on his favorite dog of all time. In all the dogs, in all the years, the Wire Fox Terrier, Ch. Sunnybrook Spot On was his choice without hesitation.
<h2>Spot On vs Dominator and other great battles</h2>
<div id="attachment_6049" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px">

<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/IMG_1769.jpg"></a>
<p id="caption-attachment-6049" class="wp-caption-text">Peter Green, left, with Spot on and George Ward, right, with Dominator in one of the most-watched rivalries of the era.</p>

</div>
Listening to Green flashback to the tremendous <strong><em><u><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1978/02/26/archives/fatherson-terrier-combination-excels-arrived-from-england-in-1972.html">competition</a></u></em></strong> with his friend and rival George Ward, showing Spot On’s son, Ch Aryee’s Dominator, is a rush. Even as he’s reminiscing, Green is teaching without even thinking about it. He talks about how he showcased his dog’s movement in this high-stakes competition.

Dog show drama was alive and well, even in the “good old days,” according to Green. Good natured rivalries, and even those that weren’t so pleasant, behind the scenes stories, flaring tempers and redemption all flow from his memories.

Enjoy this priceless window into history.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/legendary-dog-man-peter-green-brings-history-to-life-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=6047</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2018 14:46:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/627a2c03-1913-4a22-8023-a96a2c4a0b64/peter-green-interview.mp3" length="19765215" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>20:35</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>222 — Lydia Hutchinson on Cairn Terriers and 54 Years Judging</title><itunes:title>222 — Lydia Hutchinson on Cairn Terriers and 54 Years Judging</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Loving life and living for Cairn Terriers</h1>
I visited with Lydia Hutchinson, renowned AKC judge and breeder, owner, handler of Wolfpit Cairn Terriers, at Westminster Kennel Club earlier this year. After a day of stewarding, this enthusiastic septuagenarian was bubbling with enthusiasm about pedigrees, breeding and the sport of conformation dog shows.

<em><strong>Watch the <a href="https://puredogtalk.com/blog/love-legends-lydia-coleman-hutchinson/">video</a>.</strong></em>

&nbsp;
<h2>A lifetime in dogs</h2>
“I wasn’t quite born in to (dogs),” Hutchinson said, “But my parents got their first Cairn Terrier two months before I was born.”

Following a familiar path, Hutchinson and her family eventually wound up at a dog show. The year was 1949 when she attended her first dog show “when I was 9 years old.”

In the intervening 70 years, Wolfpit Cairns have produced 270 champions, Hutchinson said, almost exclusively homebred and largely owner handled.
<h2>Breeding, handling, judging</h2>
Hutchinson is still actively breeding and showing her Cairns.  She said showing and judging dogs at the same time maintains her sensitivity to exhibitors, keeps her up to date and “keeps you young.”

Cairn Terriers are a breed noted for their adaptability, alertness and independence, Hutchinson said. She calls Cairn grooming for the show ring, “achieved naturalness.”

As she developed the family’s Wolfpit line of Cairns, Hutchinson said she utilized principles of line breeding learned from early Poodle mentor. She imported bitches from Europe looking to improve coats and fronts, but building on her program’s established sire line.
<blockquote>“I still hand-write pedigrees,” Hutchinson said. “I know it’s old-fashioned, but it helps solidify the pedigree in my mind.”</blockquote>
Hutchinson started judging in 1964 “when I was 7 months pregnant with our second child. She judges terrier, toy, herding, poodles, schnauzers. She noted that she wants to “have a relationship with a particular breed to want to judge them.”
<blockquote>“There is not a dog show I go to that I don’t learn something,” Hutchinson said. “Using your eyes, asking questions of knowledgeable people, you’ll learn.”</blockquote>
There’s something about the sport of dogs that’s very energizing, Hutchinson observed.

“I love life, I love my dogs. I’ve been married to my husband for 57 years. I’m not tired at all! I’m looking forward to tomorrow.”]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Loving life and living for Cairn Terriers</h1>
I visited with Lydia Hutchinson, renowned AKC judge and breeder, owner, handler of Wolfpit Cairn Terriers, at Westminster Kennel Club earlier this year. After a day of stewarding, this enthusiastic septuagenarian was bubbling with enthusiasm about pedigrees, breeding and the sport of conformation dog shows.

<em><strong>Watch the <a href="https://puredogtalk.com/blog/love-legends-lydia-coleman-hutchinson/">video</a>.</strong></em>

&nbsp;
<h2>A lifetime in dogs</h2>
“I wasn’t quite born in to (dogs),” Hutchinson said, “But my parents got their first Cairn Terrier two months before I was born.”

Following a familiar path, Hutchinson and her family eventually wound up at a dog show. The year was 1949 when she attended her first dog show “when I was 9 years old.”

In the intervening 70 years, Wolfpit Cairns have produced 270 champions, Hutchinson said, almost exclusively homebred and largely owner handled.
<h2>Breeding, handling, judging</h2>
Hutchinson is still actively breeding and showing her Cairns.  She said showing and judging dogs at the same time maintains her sensitivity to exhibitors, keeps her up to date and “keeps you young.”

Cairn Terriers are a breed noted for their adaptability, alertness and independence, Hutchinson said. She calls Cairn grooming for the show ring, “achieved naturalness.”

As she developed the family’s Wolfpit line of Cairns, Hutchinson said she utilized principles of line breeding learned from early Poodle mentor. She imported bitches from Europe looking to improve coats and fronts, but building on her program’s established sire line.
<blockquote>“I still hand-write pedigrees,” Hutchinson said. “I know it’s old-fashioned, but it helps solidify the pedigree in my mind.”</blockquote>
Hutchinson started judging in 1964 “when I was 7 months pregnant with our second child. She judges terrier, toy, herding, poodles, schnauzers. She noted that she wants to “have a relationship with a particular breed to want to judge them.”
<blockquote>“There is not a dog show I go to that I don’t learn something,” Hutchinson said. “Using your eyes, asking questions of knowledgeable people, you’ll learn.”</blockquote>
There’s something about the sport of dogs that’s very energizing, Hutchinson observed.

“I love life, I love my dogs. I’ve been married to my husband for 57 years. I’m not tired at all! I’m looking forward to tomorrow.”]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/lydia-hutchinson-on-cairn-terriers-and-54-years-judging-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=6069</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2018 10:30:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/943828e7-ccbc-44cb-a7c6-ee5af6132b85/love-the-legends-lydia-coleman-hutchinson-akc-judge.mp3" length="25979051" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>27:04</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>249 — Elliott Weiss, AKCNC BIS judge, on “Pleasing his Eye”</title><itunes:title>249 — Elliott Weiss, AKCNC BIS judge, on “Pleasing his Eye”</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Elliott Weiss is Looking for the Dog that Makes the Picture</h1>
<div id="attachment_6338" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px">


<p id="caption-attachment-6338" class="wp-caption-text">Elliott Weiss, BIS judge for the 2018 AKCNC.</p>

</div>
In 1956, <strong>Elliott Weiss</strong> attended his very first dog show, Westminster Kennel Club, as part of an art class project.

Weiss spent 24 years as a top professional handler from 1969 through 1993. Among his big accomplishments, he handled the Irish Setter, Ch. Meadowlark’s Anticipation, to a Sporting Group win at Westminster in 1984. He started judging in 1994 and has judged all over the world. A native New Yorker, he now lives in Eagle, Idaho. His initial breed was Cocker Spaniels.
<h2>Make the Picture</h2>
“I want to please my eye,” Weiss said. “The first thing I’m looking for is a picture. I have a picture in my mind of every breed I judge.”

Weiss also noted that too many people bait the dog in such a way that their hands are in the way of the judge seeing the dog’s expression.
<h2>Amateur vs Professional</h2>
The Owner Handler-Professional Handler battle is nothing new, Weiss observed, it has been a big thing forever. “If you look back, there are always top winning owner handlers. The cream always comes to the top,” he said. “I think of Walter Goodman, <a href="https://puredogtalk.com/25-patricia-trotter-legendary-breeder-author-and-akc-judge-vin-melcas-norwegian-elkhounds-2/"><em><strong>Pat Craige (Trotter)</strong></em></a>… Sunny Shay.”
<h2>Mentor the Future</h2>
<blockquote>“I think we don’t do enough for junior handlers,” Weiss said. “We need to teach them conformation, have them join clubs, offer Junior workshops. I think we should start thinking how we can increase the sport in 5-10 years, not tomorrow.”</blockquote>
<h2>That ONE Dog</h2>
After 60 plus years in the sport, the dog who stands out, to this day, in Weiss’ mind is George Alston’s English Foxhound, Winslow (Ch Mr Stewar’s Cheshire Winslow, hound group winner in 1984). “I watched this dog walk into the ring and I froze. I put down my brush and just looked at him. Everything flowed into the next piece.”

Watch Weiss judge Best in Show at the nation’s largest dog show on national television. AKC National Championship presented by Royal Canin will be broadcast New Year’s Day, at 6 p.m. ET/PT on Animal Planet.

Learn more:

<a href="https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/news/meet-the-best-in-show-judge-for-the-2018-akc-national-championship/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/news/meet-the-best-in-show-judge-for-the-2018-akc-national-championship/</a>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Elliott Weiss is Looking for the Dog that Makes the Picture</h1>
<div id="attachment_6338" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px">


<p id="caption-attachment-6338" class="wp-caption-text">Elliott Weiss, BIS judge for the 2018 AKCNC.</p>

</div>
In 1956, <strong>Elliott Weiss</strong> attended his very first dog show, Westminster Kennel Club, as part of an art class project.

Weiss spent 24 years as a top professional handler from 1969 through 1993. Among his big accomplishments, he handled the Irish Setter, Ch. Meadowlark’s Anticipation, to a Sporting Group win at Westminster in 1984. He started judging in 1994 and has judged all over the world. A native New Yorker, he now lives in Eagle, Idaho. His initial breed was Cocker Spaniels.
<h2>Make the Picture</h2>
“I want to please my eye,” Weiss said. “The first thing I’m looking for is a picture. I have a picture in my mind of every breed I judge.”

Weiss also noted that too many people bait the dog in such a way that their hands are in the way of the judge seeing the dog’s expression.
<h2>Amateur vs Professional</h2>
The Owner Handler-Professional Handler battle is nothing new, Weiss observed, it has been a big thing forever. “If you look back, there are always top winning owner handlers. The cream always comes to the top,” he said. “I think of Walter Goodman, <a href="https://puredogtalk.com/25-patricia-trotter-legendary-breeder-author-and-akc-judge-vin-melcas-norwegian-elkhounds-2/"><em><strong>Pat Craige (Trotter)</strong></em></a>… Sunny Shay.”
<h2>Mentor the Future</h2>
<blockquote>“I think we don’t do enough for junior handlers,” Weiss said. “We need to teach them conformation, have them join clubs, offer Junior workshops. I think we should start thinking how we can increase the sport in 5-10 years, not tomorrow.”</blockquote>
<h2>That ONE Dog</h2>
After 60 plus years in the sport, the dog who stands out, to this day, in Weiss’ mind is George Alston’s English Foxhound, Winslow (Ch Mr Stewar’s Cheshire Winslow, hound group winner in 1984). “I watched this dog walk into the ring and I froze. I put down my brush and just looked at him. Everything flowed into the next piece.”

Watch Weiss judge Best in Show at the nation’s largest dog show on national television. AKC National Championship presented by Royal Canin will be broadcast New Year’s Day, at 6 p.m. ET/PT on Animal Planet.

Learn more:

<a href="https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/news/meet-the-best-in-show-judge-for-the-2018-akc-national-championship/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/news/meet-the-best-in-show-judge-for-the-2018-akc-national-championship/</a>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/elliott-weiss-akcnc-bis-judge-on-pleasing-his-eye-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=6335</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2018 16:57:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/f271672a-16d7-442a-845b-71baa9131412/elliot-weiss.mp3" length="14934434" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>15:33</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>252 — Jackie and Terry Stacy on the Affenpinscher, Breeding &amp; Mentoring</title><itunes:title>252 — Jackie and Terry Stacy on the Affenpinscher, Breeding &amp; Mentoring</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Jackie and Terry Stacy on the Affenpinscher, Breeding and Mentoring</h1>
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<p id="caption-attachment-6349" class="wp-caption-text">Terry Stacy, master breeder and master of many roles in purebred dogs.</p>

</div>
<strong>Jackie and Terry Stacy</strong>, of Tamarin Affenpinscher fame, bring a lifetime of experience to the sport.

Terry started as a teenager and finished his first Cocker Spaniel in 1955. His career spans the breadth and depth of roles available to purebred dog enthusiasts. From professional handler to superintendent; from AKC vice president, to the head of breeder services for the Mars Corporation, to well-known judge, Terry has literally done it all.
<div id="attachment_6350" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px">

<img class="size-medium wp-image-6350" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Screen-Shot-2019-01-10-at-9.04.22-AM-300x284.png" alt="Jackie &amp; Lucy" width="300" height="284" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-6350" />
<p id="caption-attachment-6350" class="wp-caption-text">Jackie Stacy winning the national specialty with Ch. Yarrow’s Lucy in the Sky, the top winning bitch in breed history</p>

</div>
Today, Jackie is an all-breeds judge. Twenty years ago, she successfully showed their original Affenpinscher, acquired from Beth Sweigart, to multiple Best in Show awards and a national specialty win.
<h2>Monkey Dogs</h2>
Often called the monkey dogs for their inquisitive and mischievous expression, Affenpinschers hail from Germany and are believed to date back to the 1600s, Terry said. The Stacys praised the foresight of a breed standard which allows the dogs to be cropped and docked, or shown “natural.” Their very successful foundation bitch, they said, helped lead the transition to more dogs being shown uncropped/docked.

The “shaggy but neat” outline of the Affenpinscher is a challenge to create and maintain, Jackie said. The coat doesn’t grow quickly and it’s easy to get carried away with pulling coat and be left with not enough furnishings.
<h2>Breeding for the Future</h2>
Breeding within a family of dogs, the Stacys said, while using judicious “phenotype” outcrosses to create the dog or bitch they want to have carry the program forward has been their secret to success.

Health testing, they noted, is imperative, as is maintaining proper temperament. Jackie’s sister is the president of the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals and Terry sits on the Board of Directors, so this is a front and center issue for both of them.
<h2>Stay Involved</h2>
As active, popular judges, Jackie said that she argues in favor of them “staying involved” in the sport with breeding and exhibiting dogs.
<blockquote>“It keeps you grounded,” Jackie said. “I think it makes us better judges because we know firsthand what it takes to get a dog on the ground and in the ring.”</blockquote>
Mentoring new and dedicated owners is a prospect the Stacys enjoy, as well as offering private mentoring to aspiring judges.

Listen to the podcast to hear more from a couple with decades invested in the sport.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Jackie and Terry Stacy on the Affenpinscher, Breeding and Mentoring</h1>
<div id="attachment_6349" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px">


<p id="caption-attachment-6349" class="wp-caption-text">Terry Stacy, master breeder and master of many roles in purebred dogs.</p>

</div>
<strong>Jackie and Terry Stacy</strong>, of Tamarin Affenpinscher fame, bring a lifetime of experience to the sport.

Terry started as a teenager and finished his first Cocker Spaniel in 1955. His career spans the breadth and depth of roles available to purebred dog enthusiasts. From professional handler to superintendent; from AKC vice president, to the head of breeder services for the Mars Corporation, to well-known judge, Terry has literally done it all.
<div id="attachment_6350" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px">

<img class="size-medium wp-image-6350" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Screen-Shot-2019-01-10-at-9.04.22-AM-300x284.png" alt="Jackie &amp; Lucy" width="300" height="284" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-6350" />
<p id="caption-attachment-6350" class="wp-caption-text">Jackie Stacy winning the national specialty with Ch. Yarrow’s Lucy in the Sky, the top winning bitch in breed history</p>

</div>
Today, Jackie is an all-breeds judge. Twenty years ago, she successfully showed their original Affenpinscher, acquired from Beth Sweigart, to multiple Best in Show awards and a national specialty win.
<h2>Monkey Dogs</h2>
Often called the monkey dogs for their inquisitive and mischievous expression, Affenpinschers hail from Germany and are believed to date back to the 1600s, Terry said. The Stacys praised the foresight of a breed standard which allows the dogs to be cropped and docked, or shown “natural.” Their very successful foundation bitch, they said, helped lead the transition to more dogs being shown uncropped/docked.

The “shaggy but neat” outline of the Affenpinscher is a challenge to create and maintain, Jackie said. The coat doesn’t grow quickly and it’s easy to get carried away with pulling coat and be left with not enough furnishings.
<h2>Breeding for the Future</h2>
Breeding within a family of dogs, the Stacys said, while using judicious “phenotype” outcrosses to create the dog or bitch they want to have carry the program forward has been their secret to success.

Health testing, they noted, is imperative, as is maintaining proper temperament. Jackie’s sister is the president of the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals and Terry sits on the Board of Directors, so this is a front and center issue for both of them.
<h2>Stay Involved</h2>
As active, popular judges, Jackie said that she argues in favor of them “staying involved” in the sport with breeding and exhibiting dogs.
<blockquote>“It keeps you grounded,” Jackie said. “I think it makes us better judges because we know firsthand what it takes to get a dog on the ground and in the ring.”</blockquote>
Mentoring new and dedicated owners is a prospect the Stacys enjoy, as well as offering private mentoring to aspiring judges.

Listen to the podcast to hear more from a couple with decades invested in the sport.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/jackie-and-terry-stacy-on-the-affenpinscher-breeding-mentoring-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=6347</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2019 22:45:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/189ad074-ddf5-4664-8319-5f0f59d13de3/jackie-and-terry-stacy.mp3" length="35094287" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>36:33</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>256 — Jason Hoke: Just Judge the Dogs &amp; Be Nice to People</title><itunes:title>256 — Jason Hoke: Just Judge the Dogs &amp; Be Nice to People</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Jason Hoke: “Just Judge the Dogs &amp; Be Nice to People”</h1>
Second generation dog breeder <strong>Jason Hoke</strong> grew up with German Shepherd Dogs. His family acquired Great Danes in the mid ‘80s and he now owns Whippets.
<blockquote>“I think when I judge dogs, I’m very much a purist,” Hoke said. “I think handlers revert back to being even harder and more like a breeder judge. Because we were handlers, we know the value of showmanship, but also realize flash and dash doesn’t make a good dog.</blockquote>
<div id="attachment_6374" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px">


<p id="caption-attachment-6374" class="wp-caption-text">Jason Hoke judging at Westminster Kennel Club</p>

</div>
“Just judge the dogs,” Hoke said. “That’s the best thing we can do.”
<h2>Breeder judges and handler judges</h2>
“As handlers, we have the opportunity to put our hands on so many more breeds,” Hoke said. “To be a successful handler, you have to learn what a good dog is in every breed you show. But at the core, we’re still breeders. We care about the breeds.

“I don’t care if it moves on the table, stands like a statue, comes back and does the pose heard round the world, if it’s not a good dog, just being a good show dog doesn’t make it a good dog,” Hoke said.
<h2>Pet peeves</h2>
“Running like a maniac around the ring is ridiculous,” Hoke said. “It defeats the purpose. It takes away from the dog’s silhouette and ruins every part of the outline. Showing a dog like a generic dog is incorrect.”
<h2>Encourage new people</h2>
“We have to be accessible, open to talking to new people,” Hoke said. “Encourage new people. Be members of clubs to volunteer. We have to teach people what our breeds are all about.”

BIO, from <em><strong>Petcha</strong></em>:

“Jason M. Hoke, a resident of Madison, Wis., began his longstanding involvement in the sport of purebred dogs in the late 1970s exhibiting <a href="http://www.dogchannel.com/german-shepherd-dogs-breed-profiles.aspx">German Shepherd</a> Dogs in Junior Showmanship. In 1984, he and his parents purchased two Great Danes, which became their passion. They bred <a href="http://www.dogchannel.com/great-dane-dogs-breed-profiles.aspx">Great Danes</a> under the Jamara prefix, producing numerous champions and one of the top Great Danes in the breed’s history.

Mr. Hoke continued his involvement by apprenticing as a young adult with noted professional handlers such as Leroy Stage and Wood Wornall. He then went on to become a successful professional handler, winning Best in Shows from many groups, and presented dogs to the highest rankings in their respective breeds.”

Quote of the Day, From <em><strong>Great Dane Review</strong></em>:

<strong>What advice would you give owner handlers just getting started in the ring?</strong>
<blockquote>Since I started as an owner handler I think the biggest suggestion is first to study the breed. Learn the Trends and Lines. Then while you are in the ring and outside, observe all the dogs. Be objective and try to see where your dog falls in the mix. Be fair when thinking about your own dog. Know it’s strong points and it’s weaknesses as well. Always try to accentuate the positive of your dog. Listen to others for tips as well. Most people will try to give you constructive advice. Mentors in the breed are invaluable from a breeding and a handling standpoint. Practice handing and go to handling classes. I used to go to classes 2 times a week for years. It’s a great training tool for your dog as well as yourself.</blockquote>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Jason Hoke: “Just Judge the Dogs &amp; Be Nice to People”</h1>
Second generation dog breeder <strong>Jason Hoke</strong> grew up with German Shepherd Dogs. His family acquired Great Danes in the mid ‘80s and he now owns Whippets.
<blockquote>“I think when I judge dogs, I’m very much a purist,” Hoke said. “I think handlers revert back to being even harder and more like a breeder judge. Because we were handlers, we know the value of showmanship, but also realize flash and dash doesn’t make a good dog.</blockquote>
<div id="attachment_6374" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px">


<p id="caption-attachment-6374" class="wp-caption-text">Jason Hoke judging at Westminster Kennel Club</p>

</div>
“Just judge the dogs,” Hoke said. “That’s the best thing we can do.”
<h2>Breeder judges and handler judges</h2>
“As handlers, we have the opportunity to put our hands on so many more breeds,” Hoke said. “To be a successful handler, you have to learn what a good dog is in every breed you show. But at the core, we’re still breeders. We care about the breeds.

“I don’t care if it moves on the table, stands like a statue, comes back and does the pose heard round the world, if it’s not a good dog, just being a good show dog doesn’t make it a good dog,” Hoke said.
<h2>Pet peeves</h2>
“Running like a maniac around the ring is ridiculous,” Hoke said. “It defeats the purpose. It takes away from the dog’s silhouette and ruins every part of the outline. Showing a dog like a generic dog is incorrect.”
<h2>Encourage new people</h2>
“We have to be accessible, open to talking to new people,” Hoke said. “Encourage new people. Be members of clubs to volunteer. We have to teach people what our breeds are all about.”

BIO, from <em><strong>Petcha</strong></em>:

“Jason M. Hoke, a resident of Madison, Wis., began his longstanding involvement in the sport of purebred dogs in the late 1970s exhibiting <a href="http://www.dogchannel.com/german-shepherd-dogs-breed-profiles.aspx">German Shepherd</a> Dogs in Junior Showmanship. In 1984, he and his parents purchased two Great Danes, which became their passion. They bred <a href="http://www.dogchannel.com/great-dane-dogs-breed-profiles.aspx">Great Danes</a> under the Jamara prefix, producing numerous champions and one of the top Great Danes in the breed’s history.

Mr. Hoke continued his involvement by apprenticing as a young adult with noted professional handlers such as Leroy Stage and Wood Wornall. He then went on to become a successful professional handler, winning Best in Shows from many groups, and presented dogs to the highest rankings in their respective breeds.”

Quote of the Day, From <em><strong>Great Dane Review</strong></em>:

<strong>What advice would you give owner handlers just getting started in the ring?</strong>
<blockquote>Since I started as an owner handler I think the biggest suggestion is first to study the breed. Learn the Trends and Lines. Then while you are in the ring and outside, observe all the dogs. Be objective and try to see where your dog falls in the mix. Be fair when thinking about your own dog. Know it’s strong points and it’s weaknesses as well. Always try to accentuate the positive of your dog. Listen to others for tips as well. Most people will try to give you constructive advice. Mentors in the breed are invaluable from a breeding and a handling standpoint. Practice handing and go to handling classes. I used to go to classes 2 times a week for years. It’s a great training tool for your dog as well as yourself.</blockquote>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/jason-hoke-just-judge-the-dogs-be-nice-to-people-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=6372</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2019 18:12:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/7b8511fd-d4ae-4024-9bed-d8073ac006d9/jason-hoke.mp3" length="24488143" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>25:30</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>258 — Mari-Beth O’Neill: AKC’s Own Guardian of the Galaxy</title><itunes:title>258 — Mari-Beth O’Neill: AKC’s Own Guardian of the Galaxy</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Mari-Beth O’Neill: “Guardian of the Galaxy”</h1>
American Kennel Club Vice President of Sport Services, <strong>Mari-Beth O’Neill</strong>, is the walking, talking institutional memory of the organization. One of the longest serving current staff members, O’Neill is also a second-generation AKC employee. Her father was Executive Vice President of the organization and show chair of the AKC Centennial Show.

“I attended dog shows in utero,” O’Neill said. “My parents had Dobermans, but the rule was I had to have a dog I could pick up and carry out of a situation. That led to Manchester terriers.”

O’Neill owned and showed the top winning<strong><em> <a href="http://www.canadamt.com/uploads/1/2/8/7/12877891/0809_manchester_dir.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Toy Manchester Terrier</a> </em></strong>of the time period, winning the toy group brace at the Garden in 1968 and the toy group in 1969 with Ch. Renreh Lorelei of Charmara.<img class="size-medium wp-image-6389 alignright" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Screen-Shot-2019-01-31-at-10.50.49-AM-227x300.png" alt="" width="227" height="300" />
<h2>No Gypsy Caravan</h2>
Her parents insisted she couldn’t “just be a gypsy,” so she went to college and worked as a classroom teacher, along with working as an assistant for then-handler (Theresa) Terry Hundt.
<h3>“It was held over my head when I was growing up, if I didn’t maintain my grades, I didn’t play,” O’Neill said. That upbringing is what shapes the requirements of today’s Junior Showmanship contestants at AKC National Championship presented by Royal Canin.</h3>
In December, 160 juniors, the largest entry at the show, competed for Best Junior. All of them had won first place in an open class at least five times and maintained a 3.0 GPA during the year. The winner of the competition, <em><strong><a href="https://puredogtalk.com/claire-ctibor-junior-versatility-award/">Claire Ctibor</a></strong></em>, was interviewed on PureDogTalk last year.
<h2>Chipping Away at the Iceberg</h2>
Juniors have always been a passion for O’Neill. As she moved through the ranks and roles at AKC, she eventually wound up in a position to make a difference. In 1995 she helped establish the national junior organization for AKC. Since then she has continued to work to support the youth and future of the sport.

“Judging juniors is the hardest thing you will ever judge,” O’Neill said. “It’s a subjective sport. And it’s hard for new people to understand how subjective it is.”

An expanded coordination with 4H clubs, Junior showcase events, Junior scholarship programs and more are all the direct result of O’Neill’s passion for the program.

“I have this ice pick and there’s this big iceberg out there… I just keep chipping away at it…”
<blockquote>“We need to wake up and smell the coffee,” O’Neill said. “This ain’t my father’s AKC anymore. We have a lot more events, a whole different society to address. In many cases people love dogs but they’ve never been around them.”</blockquote>
“The greatest joy for me is meeting these young people, seeing how wonderful they are. What great careers they are pursuing, how they are maintaining their passion and involvement with dogs.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Mari-Beth O’Neill: “Guardian of the Galaxy”</h1>
American Kennel Club Vice President of Sport Services, <strong>Mari-Beth O’Neill</strong>, is the walking, talking institutional memory of the organization. One of the longest serving current staff members, O’Neill is also a second-generation AKC employee. Her father was Executive Vice President of the organization and show chair of the AKC Centennial Show.

“I attended dog shows in utero,” O’Neill said. “My parents had Dobermans, but the rule was I had to have a dog I could pick up and carry out of a situation. That led to Manchester terriers.”

O’Neill owned and showed the top winning<strong><em> <a href="http://www.canadamt.com/uploads/1/2/8/7/12877891/0809_manchester_dir.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Toy Manchester Terrier</a> </em></strong>of the time period, winning the toy group brace at the Garden in 1968 and the toy group in 1969 with Ch. Renreh Lorelei of Charmara.<img class="size-medium wp-image-6389 alignright" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Screen-Shot-2019-01-31-at-10.50.49-AM-227x300.png" alt="" width="227" height="300" />
<h2>No Gypsy Caravan</h2>
Her parents insisted she couldn’t “just be a gypsy,” so she went to college and worked as a classroom teacher, along with working as an assistant for then-handler (Theresa) Terry Hundt.
<h3>“It was held over my head when I was growing up, if I didn’t maintain my grades, I didn’t play,” O’Neill said. That upbringing is what shapes the requirements of today’s Junior Showmanship contestants at AKC National Championship presented by Royal Canin.</h3>
In December, 160 juniors, the largest entry at the show, competed for Best Junior. All of them had won first place in an open class at least five times and maintained a 3.0 GPA during the year. The winner of the competition, <em><strong><a href="https://puredogtalk.com/claire-ctibor-junior-versatility-award/">Claire Ctibor</a></strong></em>, was interviewed on PureDogTalk last year.
<h2>Chipping Away at the Iceberg</h2>
Juniors have always been a passion for O’Neill. As she moved through the ranks and roles at AKC, she eventually wound up in a position to make a difference. In 1995 she helped establish the national junior organization for AKC. Since then she has continued to work to support the youth and future of the sport.

“Judging juniors is the hardest thing you will ever judge,” O’Neill said. “It’s a subjective sport. And it’s hard for new people to understand how subjective it is.”

An expanded coordination with 4H clubs, Junior showcase events, Junior scholarship programs and more are all the direct result of O’Neill’s passion for the program.

“I have this ice pick and there’s this big iceberg out there… I just keep chipping away at it…”
<blockquote>“We need to wake up and smell the coffee,” O’Neill said. “This ain’t my father’s AKC anymore. We have a lot more events, a whole different society to address. In many cases people love dogs but they’ve never been around them.”</blockquote>
“The greatest joy for me is meeting these young people, seeing how wonderful they are. What great careers they are pursuing, how they are maintaining their passion and involvement with dogs.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/mari-beth-oneill-akcs-own-guardian-of-the-galaxy-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=6385</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2019 19:40:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/2ec7ca05-02c1-4744-92a8-8178117fdc51/mari-beth.mp3" length="32400945" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>33:45</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>262 — Will Alexander on Grooming, Handling and Heroes</title><itunes:title>262 — Will Alexander on Grooming, Handling and Heroes</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Will Alexander on Grooming, Handling and Heroes</h1>
<div id="attachment_6415" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px">


<p id="caption-attachment-6415" class="wp-caption-text">Will Alexander winning BOB in Gordon Setters at Westminster Kennel Club this week.</p>

</div>
Canadian dog handling legend, <strong>Will Alexander</strong>, shares his memories, his handling tips and grooming tools that have brought him significant success in the last 25 years.

“My heroes were people like George Alston,” Alexander said. “He basically taught me to trim Irish Setters over the phone.”

“I always wanted to be a handler, but before embarking on a handling career I worked for Garry MacDonald in Canada, and for Bobby Stebbins in the States,” Alexander said.
<h2>Carving the picture</h2>
<div id="attachment_6416" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px">

<img class="size-medium wp-image-6416" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/willirish-300x234.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="234" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-6416" />
<p id="caption-attachment-6416" class="wp-caption-text">Will Alexander grew up with Irish Setters and learned from George Alston, over the phone, how to trim them.</p>

</div>
Grooming is not a recipe, Alexander noted. Every dog is different. Famous for his meticulous grooming of setters particularly, Alexander describes a process to “build a shell around the dog” when trimming the back coat. He works with a stripping knife, his fingers, a grooming stone and, the most important piece, a bristle brush to bring up the oils in the coat.
<h2>Attention to detail</h2>
“I hate it when I hear “Oh, they won because they are so and so… well, they didn’t just grow up and they were so and so… they had to work hard to become so and so,” Alexander said. “It’s hard work. For every 15 minutes of fame there are 23 hrs 45 minutes working on your dog. It’s not age, it’s mileage.”
<h2>Tips of the trade</h2>
<ul>
 	<li>Think in slow motion. In real time you’re doing exactly the right speed.</li>
</ul><br/>
“When Miss P won the group at the Garden, George Alston called and yelled at me that I had gone too fast on the down and back.  It was terrifying!”
<ul>
 	<li>Attention to detail.</li>
</ul><br/>
“I like to sit and watch the ring, pretend I’m in there already, making my mistakes in my head so I don’t make them in the ring.”
<ul>
 	<li>“Old fashioned” isn’t bad</li>
</ul><br/>
“I have a mind’s eye picture of the dogs. So much of type is in how they move, how they carry themselves,” Alexander said. “We need to be preserving the breeds not ‘improving’ them.”
<h2>Dream Best in Show Lineup</h2>
<ul>
 	<li>English Springer Spaniel Ch. Salilyn’s Condor</li>
 	<li>Borzoi Ch. Kishniga’s Desert Song</li>
 	<li>Doberman Pinscher Ch. Brunswig’s Cryptonite</li>
 	<li>Wire Fox Terrer ch galsul excellence</li>
 	<li>Pekingese Ch. Wendessa Crown Prince</li>
 	<li>Standard Poodle Ch. Rimskittle Ruffian</li>
 	<li>German Shepherd Dog Ch Altana’s Mystique</li>
</ul><br/>
BIS to Robert the Springer

For more information, videos, the book and more, visit <a href="http://www.doghandlingtips.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.doghandlingtips.com/</a>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Will Alexander on Grooming, Handling and Heroes</h1>
<div id="attachment_6415" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px">


<p id="caption-attachment-6415" class="wp-caption-text">Will Alexander winning BOB in Gordon Setters at Westminster Kennel Club this week.</p>

</div>
Canadian dog handling legend, <strong>Will Alexander</strong>, shares his memories, his handling tips and grooming tools that have brought him significant success in the last 25 years.

“My heroes were people like George Alston,” Alexander said. “He basically taught me to trim Irish Setters over the phone.”

“I always wanted to be a handler, but before embarking on a handling career I worked for Garry MacDonald in Canada, and for Bobby Stebbins in the States,” Alexander said.
<h2>Carving the picture</h2>
<div id="attachment_6416" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px">

<img class="size-medium wp-image-6416" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/willirish-300x234.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="234" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-6416" />
<p id="caption-attachment-6416" class="wp-caption-text">Will Alexander grew up with Irish Setters and learned from George Alston, over the phone, how to trim them.</p>

</div>
Grooming is not a recipe, Alexander noted. Every dog is different. Famous for his meticulous grooming of setters particularly, Alexander describes a process to “build a shell around the dog” when trimming the back coat. He works with a stripping knife, his fingers, a grooming stone and, the most important piece, a bristle brush to bring up the oils in the coat.
<h2>Attention to detail</h2>
“I hate it when I hear “Oh, they won because they are so and so… well, they didn’t just grow up and they were so and so… they had to work hard to become so and so,” Alexander said. “It’s hard work. For every 15 minutes of fame there are 23 hrs 45 minutes working on your dog. It’s not age, it’s mileage.”
<h2>Tips of the trade</h2>
<ul>
 	<li>Think in slow motion. In real time you’re doing exactly the right speed.</li>
</ul><br/>
“When Miss P won the group at the Garden, George Alston called and yelled at me that I had gone too fast on the down and back.  It was terrifying!”
<ul>
 	<li>Attention to detail.</li>
</ul><br/>
“I like to sit and watch the ring, pretend I’m in there already, making my mistakes in my head so I don’t make them in the ring.”
<ul>
 	<li>“Old fashioned” isn’t bad</li>
</ul><br/>
“I have a mind’s eye picture of the dogs. So much of type is in how they move, how they carry themselves,” Alexander said. “We need to be preserving the breeds not ‘improving’ them.”
<h2>Dream Best in Show Lineup</h2>
<ul>
 	<li>English Springer Spaniel Ch. Salilyn’s Condor</li>
 	<li>Borzoi Ch. Kishniga’s Desert Song</li>
 	<li>Doberman Pinscher Ch. Brunswig’s Cryptonite</li>
 	<li>Wire Fox Terrer ch galsul excellence</li>
 	<li>Pekingese Ch. Wendessa Crown Prince</li>
 	<li>Standard Poodle Ch. Rimskittle Ruffian</li>
 	<li>German Shepherd Dog Ch Altana’s Mystique</li>
</ul><br/>
BIS to Robert the Springer

For more information, videos, the book and more, visit <a href="http://www.doghandlingtips.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.doghandlingtips.com/</a>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/will-alexander-on-grooming-handling-and-heroes-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=6412</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2019 19:34:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/3f8e0244-a56d-4e0e-901a-2b300afc7379/will-alexander.mp3" length="22955073" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>23:55</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>264 — Carlos Puig: All About Dachshunds and Getting in a Dog’s Head</title><itunes:title>264 — Carlos Puig: All About Dachshunds and Getting in a Dog’s Head</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Carlos Puig: All About Dachshunds and Getting in a Dog’s Head</h1>
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<p id="caption-attachment-6428" class="wp-caption-text">Handler Carlos Puig and Longhaired Dachshund, Burns, Hound group winner at the 2019 Westminster Kennel Club.</p>

</div>
Anyone who watched the joy with which the Longhaired Dachshund, Burns, showed at Westminster Kennel Club last week, or loves Dachshunds in general, will appreciate this talk with handler <strong>Carlos Puig</strong>.

A Dachshund fancier, breeder and handler for 45 years, Puig brings out the pure spirit in each of his charges. How and why this “jazz pianist” of dog handlers does this is an amazing story. His encyclopedic knowledge of the Dachshund breed is equally impressive.

“(Dachshunds) are almost like an accordion,” Puig said. “They are very flexible because they had to be able to get in the badger den, maneuver underground and then back out.”
<h2>Dual Champion Does it All</h2>
In fact Burns, GCHP DC WALMAR-SOLO’S OMG SL JE, is believed to be the first dual champion of any breed to win a group at Westminster Kennel Club. Puig is proud that Burns has been successful in both <a href="http://www.dachshundclubofamerica.org/field-trials/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em><strong>field trials</strong></em></a> and <a href="https://www.akc.org/sports/earthdog/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em><strong>earth dog</strong></em></a> events, proving that great show dogs can still do the work for which they were bred.

While Standard and Miniature Dachshunds have the same breed standard, Puig notes there are distinct differences between the varieties of coats and sizes. Smooths are the guard dogs, Longs are the snugglers and Wires will make you laugh, he said. And while Standards were bred for hunting badger, Minis are more about speed and were bred specifically for hunting rabbits and flushing deer.
<blockquote>“Back in the day (as the breed was developed in the 1800s) the best wires were standard longhairs bred to Dandie Dinmonts,” Puig said. “Which is why you still see lighter color hair on the heads of some Wire Dachshunds.”</blockquote>
<h2>Dog Handler as “Jazz Pianist”</h2>
Puig began his journey as a shy 11-year-old, house sitting for a neighbor who owned and showed Great Danes and later Dachshunds. He helped socialize puppies and groomed dogs for the owners while they were at shows because his parents were very protective and wouldn’t let him travel out of state.
<blockquote>“I learned to communicate with dogs before I learned to communicate with people,” Puig said. “I am grateful to the dogs…. they literally saved my life. I feed off the dog’s personality. You gotta get in their heads. I hate the robot dogs. There are never two dogs that are exactly alike. If you can’t pick up on that, you’ll get nowhere. I’m fortunate I started with Dachshunds, because I had to convince them they were doing what they wanted to do, not what I was making them do.”</blockquote>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Carlos Puig: All About Dachshunds and Getting in a Dog’s Head</h1>
<div id="attachment_6428" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 179px">


<p id="caption-attachment-6428" class="wp-caption-text">Handler Carlos Puig and Longhaired Dachshund, Burns, Hound group winner at the 2019 Westminster Kennel Club.</p>

</div>
Anyone who watched the joy with which the Longhaired Dachshund, Burns, showed at Westminster Kennel Club last week, or loves Dachshunds in general, will appreciate this talk with handler <strong>Carlos Puig</strong>.

A Dachshund fancier, breeder and handler for 45 years, Puig brings out the pure spirit in each of his charges. How and why this “jazz pianist” of dog handlers does this is an amazing story. His encyclopedic knowledge of the Dachshund breed is equally impressive.

“(Dachshunds) are almost like an accordion,” Puig said. “They are very flexible because they had to be able to get in the badger den, maneuver underground and then back out.”
<h2>Dual Champion Does it All</h2>
In fact Burns, GCHP DC WALMAR-SOLO’S OMG SL JE, is believed to be the first dual champion of any breed to win a group at Westminster Kennel Club. Puig is proud that Burns has been successful in both <a href="http://www.dachshundclubofamerica.org/field-trials/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em><strong>field trials</strong></em></a> and <a href="https://www.akc.org/sports/earthdog/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em><strong>earth dog</strong></em></a> events, proving that great show dogs can still do the work for which they were bred.

While Standard and Miniature Dachshunds have the same breed standard, Puig notes there are distinct differences between the varieties of coats and sizes. Smooths are the guard dogs, Longs are the snugglers and Wires will make you laugh, he said. And while Standards were bred for hunting badger, Minis are more about speed and were bred specifically for hunting rabbits and flushing deer.
<blockquote>“Back in the day (as the breed was developed in the 1800s) the best wires were standard longhairs bred to Dandie Dinmonts,” Puig said. “Which is why you still see lighter color hair on the heads of some Wire Dachshunds.”</blockquote>
<h2>Dog Handler as “Jazz Pianist”</h2>
Puig began his journey as a shy 11-year-old, house sitting for a neighbor who owned and showed Great Danes and later Dachshunds. He helped socialize puppies and groomed dogs for the owners while they were at shows because his parents were very protective and wouldn’t let him travel out of state.
<blockquote>“I learned to communicate with dogs before I learned to communicate with people,” Puig said. “I am grateful to the dogs…. they literally saved my life. I feed off the dog’s personality. You gotta get in their heads. I hate the robot dogs. There are never two dogs that are exactly alike. If you can’t pick up on that, you’ll get nowhere. I’m fortunate I started with Dachshunds, because I had to convince them they were doing what they wanted to do, not what I was making them do.”</blockquote>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/carlos-puig-all-about-dachshunds-and-getting-in-a-dogs-head-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=6427</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2019 18:45:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/44c94898-ff99-4e53-b859-12868cc97f1e/carlos-puig-interview.mp3" length="22336918" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>23:16</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>270 – David Fitzpatrick on Pekingese, the Palace Dogs of Peking</title><itunes:title>270 – David Fitzpatrick on Pekingese, the Palace Dogs of Peking</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>David Fitzpatrick on Pekingese, the Palace Dogs of Peking</h1>
<a href="http://www.pequest.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em><strong>David Fitzpatrick</strong></em></a>, 2012 Westminster Kennel Club BIS winner with the Pekingese, Malachy, was obsessed with dogs as a child. Although his parents wouldn’t let him own a dog, he found ways to be involved  with them by walking and housesitting dogs in the neighborhood.
<div id="attachment_6466" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 268px">


<p id="caption-attachment-6466" class="wp-caption-text">David Fitzpatrick receiving the Westminster Kennel Club BIS ribbon from judge Cindy Vogels.</p>

</div>
His passion took off around 1970 when he wrote a letter to a local handler to see if she needed help. Before he knew it, he was being picked up after school, earning $5/day helping her with Pekingese and other toy breeds.

“It could have been pretty much any breed,” Fitzpatrick said. “I fell into the lap of the Pekingese and loved them from the start. It was fate really.”
<blockquote>“Speak to anyone who is remotely involved with the Pekingese breed and the mention of David Fitzpatrick’s name will result in a degree of awe and reverence, for this American gentleman is acknowledged as being as fine a handler and presenter of a Pekingese as has ever been seen,” says noted British author Andrew Brace.</blockquote>
<h2>What is it about Pekingese?</h2>
The dogs of royalty in China, the first Pekingese specialty show was held in the US around 1908, Fitzpatrick said. “The breed attracted the pillars of society. They were the status symbol dog of the day and were the most popular toy breed into the ‘60s.”

“It is a detail oriented breed,” Fitzpatrick noted, “with their pear shaped body, rectangular head, features spread out and not crowded, heavy bone, crooked legs, level back and high tail set.”

Pekingese should have an intelligent expression, one that is almost arrogant and disdainful.
<blockquote>“Their true temperament is snooty,” Fitzpatrick said. “They were developed as palace dogs in China. They were royalty and had their own servants. They are generally waiting for you to do for them. It’s not a breed that really wants to please their humans.”</blockquote>
<h2>Pekes as pets</h2>
Fitzpatrick said the breed is great to live with. “They blend into the household,” he noted. “They get their loves and then go entertain themselves. They’re not constantly clawing at you like some dogs. They’re more independent.”

Pekingese have a great deal of personality, Fitzpatrick added. While they are at a show they are performing, showing their regal and aristocratic nature. At home, they’re like any other dogs, they chase squirrels and his dogs even dug out a nest of baby bunnies.
<h2>Breed specific presentation</h2>
“It’s up to us to show our dogs in a proper manner, not succumb to this crazy show biz of dogs chasing bait around the ring… an aristocratic breed really should not be begging for food, should they?”]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>David Fitzpatrick on Pekingese, the Palace Dogs of Peking</h1>
<a href="http://www.pequest.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em><strong>David Fitzpatrick</strong></em></a>, 2012 Westminster Kennel Club BIS winner with the Pekingese, Malachy, was obsessed with dogs as a child. Although his parents wouldn’t let him own a dog, he found ways to be involved  with them by walking and housesitting dogs in the neighborhood.
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<p id="caption-attachment-6466" class="wp-caption-text">David Fitzpatrick receiving the Westminster Kennel Club BIS ribbon from judge Cindy Vogels.</p>

</div>
His passion took off around 1970 when he wrote a letter to a local handler to see if she needed help. Before he knew it, he was being picked up after school, earning $5/day helping her with Pekingese and other toy breeds.

“It could have been pretty much any breed,” Fitzpatrick said. “I fell into the lap of the Pekingese and loved them from the start. It was fate really.”
<blockquote>“Speak to anyone who is remotely involved with the Pekingese breed and the mention of David Fitzpatrick’s name will result in a degree of awe and reverence, for this American gentleman is acknowledged as being as fine a handler and presenter of a Pekingese as has ever been seen,” says noted British author Andrew Brace.</blockquote>
<h2>What is it about Pekingese?</h2>
The dogs of royalty in China, the first Pekingese specialty show was held in the US around 1908, Fitzpatrick said. “The breed attracted the pillars of society. They were the status symbol dog of the day and were the most popular toy breed into the ‘60s.”

“It is a detail oriented breed,” Fitzpatrick noted, “with their pear shaped body, rectangular head, features spread out and not crowded, heavy bone, crooked legs, level back and high tail set.”

Pekingese should have an intelligent expression, one that is almost arrogant and disdainful.
<blockquote>“Their true temperament is snooty,” Fitzpatrick said. “They were developed as palace dogs in China. They were royalty and had their own servants. They are generally waiting for you to do for them. It’s not a breed that really wants to please their humans.”</blockquote>
<h2>Pekes as pets</h2>
Fitzpatrick said the breed is great to live with. “They blend into the household,” he noted. “They get their loves and then go entertain themselves. They’re not constantly clawing at you like some dogs. They’re more independent.”

Pekingese have a great deal of personality, Fitzpatrick added. While they are at a show they are performing, showing their regal and aristocratic nature. At home, they’re like any other dogs, they chase squirrels and his dogs even dug out a nest of baby bunnies.
<h2>Breed specific presentation</h2>
“It’s up to us to show our dogs in a proper manner, not succumb to this crazy show biz of dogs chasing bait around the ring… an aristocratic breed really should not be begging for food, should they?”]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/david-fitzpatrick-on-pekingese-the-palace-dogs-of-peking-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=6463</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2019 17:35:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/7737ca96-7cce-4e98-964c-6a7d8879c2d9/david-fitzpatrick.mp3" length="22720601" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>23:40</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>271 — Jeff Pepper on PBGV and the Importance of Performance</title><itunes:title>271 — Jeff Pepper on PBGV and the Importance of Performance</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Jeff Pepper on PBGV and Understanding Standards Through Performance</h1>
<div id="attachment_6486" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 242px">


<p id="caption-attachment-6486" class="wp-caption-text">Jeff Pepper judging the hound group at Westminster Kennel Club in 2018.</p>

</div>
<strong>Jeff Pepper</strong>, AKC judge, breeder and <a href="https://puredogtalk.com/take-the-lead-charity-supports-dog-fancier-family-pure-dog-talk/"><em><strong>Take the Lead</strong></em></a> Treasurer, joined host <strong>Laura Reeves</strong> at the AKC National Championship presented by Royal Canin. Listen in for this absolutely fascinating conversation on the history and type differences of PBGV (petit basset griffon vendéen) and GBGV (grand basset griffon vendéen) and much more.

Pepper started his purebred dog journey with a pet Golden Retriever in 1968. After breeding Goldens for many years, he became involved in PBGV in 1984, importing one of the earliest dogs into the country.
<h2>“You have to watch them work”</h2>
A strong advocate for the functionality of breeds under judgement, Pepper said, “You can’t understand any breed if you haven’t seen them performing their job.” He even went so far as to attend a duck tolling test
<div id="attachment_6489" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px">

<img class="wp-image-6489 size-medium" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/54358278_406745806785605_1450822012510404608_n-300x192.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="192" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-6489" />
<p id="caption-attachment-6489" class="wp-caption-text">Ch Pepperhill East Point Airily, BOB at the 1984 Golden National and a multiple BIS winner. She was owned by Dan Flavin and Helene Geary.</p>

</div>
for the Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retrievers to understand the nuances of the breed.
<h2>Grooming to meet the standard</h2>
Following suit with the functionality, Pepper is also a stickler for a more natural look in the ring, particularly on those sporting and hound breeds whose standards call for minimal grooming. He advocates presentation based on performance requirements.
<blockquote>“When you over-neaten these dogs, you take away basic characteristics of the breeds,” Pepper said.</blockquote>
<div id="attachment_6490" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px">

<img class="wp-image-6490 size-medium" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/54436684_320568258656957_4140508155933097984_n-1-300x228.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="228" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-6490" />
<p id="caption-attachment-6490" class="wp-caption-text">A PBGV Pepper whelped in the late ’90s.</p>

</div>
Needless to say, this doesn’t mean to show him a dirty dog, but “if you wash the dog two hours before you show, it makes a soft coat,” Pepper reminded. Specifically, the PBGV and GBGV coats are 2-3 inches long, “like a goat.”
<blockquote>And while he doesn’t recommend not grooming at all, he advised exhibitors to understand they are not supposed to pull all of the coat off the PBGV or the GBGV. “They are not scissored. Don’t pull too much out, it doesn’t come back quickly. The hole will be there a while. Trim in front of a mirror. The dogs should be neat but not overly neat. A little unevenness. A little rustic,” Pepper said.</blockquote>
<h2>History of the rough coated French Hounds</h2>
Pepper’s in-depth observations on the character, type and history of the breeds is must-listen content. It isn’t just a size difference, Pepper noted. “Everything is longer on the GBGV – legs, ears, tail, body – but the differences in head planes, skull structure and more are critical.”
<div id="attachment_6487" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 310px">

<img class="wp-image-6487 size-medium" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/53916297_402709137181744_1802278658061107200_n-300x200.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="200" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-6487" />
<p id="caption-attachment-6487" class="wp-caption-text">An avid amateur photographer, Pepper travels to Africa regularly.</p>

</div>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Jeff Pepper on PBGV and Understanding Standards Through Performance</h1>
<div id="attachment_6486" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 242px">


<p id="caption-attachment-6486" class="wp-caption-text">Jeff Pepper judging the hound group at Westminster Kennel Club in 2018.</p>

</div>
<strong>Jeff Pepper</strong>, AKC judge, breeder and <a href="https://puredogtalk.com/take-the-lead-charity-supports-dog-fancier-family-pure-dog-talk/"><em><strong>Take the Lead</strong></em></a> Treasurer, joined host <strong>Laura Reeves</strong> at the AKC National Championship presented by Royal Canin. Listen in for this absolutely fascinating conversation on the history and type differences of PBGV (petit basset griffon vendéen) and GBGV (grand basset griffon vendéen) and much more.

Pepper started his purebred dog journey with a pet Golden Retriever in 1968. After breeding Goldens for many years, he became involved in PBGV in 1984, importing one of the earliest dogs into the country.
<h2>“You have to watch them work”</h2>
A strong advocate for the functionality of breeds under judgement, Pepper said, “You can’t understand any breed if you haven’t seen them performing their job.” He even went so far as to attend a duck tolling test
<div id="attachment_6489" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px">

<img class="wp-image-6489 size-medium" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/54358278_406745806785605_1450822012510404608_n-300x192.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="192" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-6489" />
<p id="caption-attachment-6489" class="wp-caption-text">Ch Pepperhill East Point Airily, BOB at the 1984 Golden National and a multiple BIS winner. She was owned by Dan Flavin and Helene Geary.</p>

</div>
for the Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retrievers to understand the nuances of the breed.
<h2>Grooming to meet the standard</h2>
Following suit with the functionality, Pepper is also a stickler for a more natural look in the ring, particularly on those sporting and hound breeds whose standards call for minimal grooming. He advocates presentation based on performance requirements.
<blockquote>“When you over-neaten these dogs, you take away basic characteristics of the breeds,” Pepper said.</blockquote>
<div id="attachment_6490" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px">

<img class="wp-image-6490 size-medium" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/54436684_320568258656957_4140508155933097984_n-1-300x228.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="228" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-6490" />
<p id="caption-attachment-6490" class="wp-caption-text">A PBGV Pepper whelped in the late ’90s.</p>

</div>
Needless to say, this doesn’t mean to show him a dirty dog, but “if you wash the dog two hours before you show, it makes a soft coat,” Pepper reminded. Specifically, the PBGV and GBGV coats are 2-3 inches long, “like a goat.”
<blockquote>And while he doesn’t recommend not grooming at all, he advised exhibitors to understand they are not supposed to pull all of the coat off the PBGV or the GBGV. “They are not scissored. Don’t pull too much out, it doesn’t come back quickly. The hole will be there a while. Trim in front of a mirror. The dogs should be neat but not overly neat. A little unevenness. A little rustic,” Pepper said.</blockquote>
<h2>History of the rough coated French Hounds</h2>
Pepper’s in-depth observations on the character, type and history of the breeds is must-listen content. It isn’t just a size difference, Pepper noted. “Everything is longer on the GBGV – legs, ears, tail, body – but the differences in head planes, skull structure and more are critical.”
<div id="attachment_6487" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 310px">

<img class="wp-image-6487 size-medium" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/53916297_402709137181744_1802278658061107200_n-300x200.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="200" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-6487" />
<p id="caption-attachment-6487" class="wp-caption-text">An avid amateur photographer, Pepper travels to Africa regularly.</p>

</div>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/jeff-pepper-on-pbgv-and-the-importance-of-performance-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=6480</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2019 04:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/77b72eaa-b045-4137-a7d3-afd56a877940/jeff-pepper.mp3" length="25588213" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>26:39</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>272 – Pam Bruce: Memories and the Essence of Style in Purebred Dogs</title><itunes:title>272 – Pam Bruce: Memories and the Essence of Style in Purebred Dogs</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Pam Bruce: Memories and the Essence of Style in Purebred Dogs</h1>
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<p id="caption-attachment-6497" class="wp-caption-text">Pam Bruce and Michael Canalizo get groovy at Woofstock.</p>

</div>
<strong>Pam Bruce</strong>, fourth generation Canadian dog fancier, joins host <strong>Laura Reeves</strong> in part one of a wide-ranging very personal interview on history, people, judging, breeding and the essence of “style” in purebred dogs.

The quintessential dog person, Bruce shares stories and humor and insight reminiscing about the legends of the sport – Michelle Billings, Jane Forsyth, Anne Rogers Clark, Michael Canalizo, Ginny Lyne, Dick Meen and many more.

Bruce finished her first dog, a Maltese, at four years old. Her family owned Maltese and later Lhasas. Perhaps best known for her association with Canalizo and the<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/canalizo-ghosts-of-the-past-and-breeding-for-the-future-pure-dog-talk/"><em><strong> Grandeur Afghans</strong></em></a>, Bruce breeds Airedales today.
<div id="attachment_6499" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px">

<img class="wp-image-6499 size-medium" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/15823690_1243349919075001_7212169664080913918_n-300x241.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="241" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-6499" />
<p id="caption-attachment-6499" class="wp-caption-text">Bruce and Canalizo in competition with Ch. Tryst of Grandeur and Ch. Yours Truly of Grandeur.</p>

</div>
<h2>Allowed to Brush</h2>
In a lifetime of “doing hair,” both brushing and hand stripping, she finds that the two coat types develop balance. “You brush away and pull towards, so the actions balance each other out.”

Steeped in the tradition of learning from the ground up, Bruce talks about the tasks that she was “allowed” to do as a young girl. Generational standing gave her no “out” on the grunt work. Being trusted with tasks like cleaning pens and brushing dogs was an “earned” privilege.

Being the first person at the dog show was a badge of honor, Bruce noted. Describing her work day as an assistant with one particular handler, she would have all toy dogs bathed before 8 am, dry them in order of their ring time and then work through the bath and blowout of the poodles, Afghan and Lhasa.
<div id="attachment_6500" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px">

<img class="wp-image-6500 size-medium" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/21034219_1491059224304068_4163933869553441053_n-300x275.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="275" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-6500" />
<p id="caption-attachment-6500" class="wp-caption-text">Pam Bruce showing Ch. Yours Truly of Grandeur to Best in Show.</p>

</div>
Bruce describes the origin of her understanding of focus, being meticulous, and taking care of the dogs first.
<blockquote>“One thing I learned,” Bruce said. “I don’t remember a bad word being said about anyone or their dogs. Everybody has a talent and something to bring to the table. You should never ever speak of anyone poorly because together we make up what is this passion for all of us, which is this sport.”</blockquote>
<h2>Teamwork to keep breeding dogs</h2>
As one of the few remaining active connections to the days of big kennels, Bruce continues to emphasize dog shows as an evaluation of breeding stock.

“Those big working kennels had numbers,” Bruce said, “but that afforded us the ability to learn the quality (of the dogs).”
<div id="attachment_6498" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 243px">

<img class="size-medium wp-image-6498" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/40074907_2040691345982497_2308575364328194048_o-233x300.jpg" alt="" width="233" height="300" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-6498" />
<p id="caption-attachment-6498" class="wp-caption-text">Pam Bruce with her homebred Airedale.</p>

</div>
Lacking those facilities in today’s society, Bruce said teamwork picks up the slack. Sharing in a network of other Airedale breeders, “I can go back to the people working with me and get what I need.”
<blockquote>“Breeding is about the artform, the intrinsic qualities of the breeds,” Bruce said. “The best indicator of what you’re going to get is what you’ve had. Quality begets quality. You need to have foresight. I’m always breeding three generations ahead.”</blockquote>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Pam Bruce: Memories and the Essence of Style in Purebred Dogs</h1>
<div id="attachment_6497" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px">


<p id="caption-attachment-6497" class="wp-caption-text">Pam Bruce and Michael Canalizo get groovy at Woofstock.</p>

</div>
<strong>Pam Bruce</strong>, fourth generation Canadian dog fancier, joins host <strong>Laura Reeves</strong> in part one of a wide-ranging very personal interview on history, people, judging, breeding and the essence of “style” in purebred dogs.

The quintessential dog person, Bruce shares stories and humor and insight reminiscing about the legends of the sport – Michelle Billings, Jane Forsyth, Anne Rogers Clark, Michael Canalizo, Ginny Lyne, Dick Meen and many more.

Bruce finished her first dog, a Maltese, at four years old. Her family owned Maltese and later Lhasas. Perhaps best known for her association with Canalizo and the<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/canalizo-ghosts-of-the-past-and-breeding-for-the-future-pure-dog-talk/"><em><strong> Grandeur Afghans</strong></em></a>, Bruce breeds Airedales today.
<div id="attachment_6499" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px">

<img class="wp-image-6499 size-medium" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/15823690_1243349919075001_7212169664080913918_n-300x241.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="241" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-6499" />
<p id="caption-attachment-6499" class="wp-caption-text">Bruce and Canalizo in competition with Ch. Tryst of Grandeur and Ch. Yours Truly of Grandeur.</p>

</div>
<h2>Allowed to Brush</h2>
In a lifetime of “doing hair,” both brushing and hand stripping, she finds that the two coat types develop balance. “You brush away and pull towards, so the actions balance each other out.”

Steeped in the tradition of learning from the ground up, Bruce talks about the tasks that she was “allowed” to do as a young girl. Generational standing gave her no “out” on the grunt work. Being trusted with tasks like cleaning pens and brushing dogs was an “earned” privilege.

Being the first person at the dog show was a badge of honor, Bruce noted. Describing her work day as an assistant with one particular handler, she would have all toy dogs bathed before 8 am, dry them in order of their ring time and then work through the bath and blowout of the poodles, Afghan and Lhasa.
<div id="attachment_6500" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px">

<img class="wp-image-6500 size-medium" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/21034219_1491059224304068_4163933869553441053_n-300x275.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="275" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-6500" />
<p id="caption-attachment-6500" class="wp-caption-text">Pam Bruce showing Ch. Yours Truly of Grandeur to Best in Show.</p>

</div>
Bruce describes the origin of her understanding of focus, being meticulous, and taking care of the dogs first.
<blockquote>“One thing I learned,” Bruce said. “I don’t remember a bad word being said about anyone or their dogs. Everybody has a talent and something to bring to the table. You should never ever speak of anyone poorly because together we make up what is this passion for all of us, which is this sport.”</blockquote>
<h2>Teamwork to keep breeding dogs</h2>
As one of the few remaining active connections to the days of big kennels, Bruce continues to emphasize dog shows as an evaluation of breeding stock.

“Those big working kennels had numbers,” Bruce said, “but that afforded us the ability to learn the quality (of the dogs).”
<div id="attachment_6498" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 243px">

<img class="size-medium wp-image-6498" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/40074907_2040691345982497_2308575364328194048_o-233x300.jpg" alt="" width="233" height="300" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-6498" />
<p id="caption-attachment-6498" class="wp-caption-text">Pam Bruce with her homebred Airedale.</p>

</div>
Lacking those facilities in today’s society, Bruce said teamwork picks up the slack. Sharing in a network of other Airedale breeders, “I can go back to the people working with me and get what I need.”
<blockquote>“Breeding is about the artform, the intrinsic qualities of the breeds,” Bruce said. “The best indicator of what you’re going to get is what you’ve had. Quality begets quality. You need to have foresight. I’m always breeding three generations ahead.”</blockquote>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/pam-bruce-memories-and-the-essence-of-style-in-purebred-dogs-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=6495</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2019 18:12:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/25034d71-be77-4373-9d86-c97daaf9bc58/pam-brucepart-1.mp3" length="36063110" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>37:34</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>274 — Pam Bruce: Crime Scene Investigator and Dog Show Judge</title><itunes:title>274 — Pam Bruce: Crime Scene Investigator and Dog Show Judge</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Pam Bruce: Crime Scene Investigator and Dog Show Judge</h1>
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<p id="caption-attachment-6496" class="wp-caption-text">Pamela Bruce, Canadian and AKC judge.</p>

</div>
Canadian and AKC judge <strong>Pam Bruce</strong> recounts her background working as a police investigator for the elite Special Victims Unit in Toronto in part two of her interview with host <strong>Laura Reeves</strong>. Bruce, a cancer survivor herself, (10 years ago in April she was given three weeks to live) reminds us that dog shows are not curing cancer or solving world peace.
<h2>Dog people are fascinating</h2>
Bruce was a real-life Mariska Hargitay in Toronto. Her professional life and dog life frequently intertwined in cases in which <strong><em><u><a href="http://ebooks.dnmagazine.us/volume_03/issue_49/mobile/index.html#p=114" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Dr. Richard Meen</a></u></em></strong> (CKC/AKC judge and long-time breeder) was called as an expert witness in cases dealing with young offenders in which she was the lead investigator.
<blockquote>“When I first came on (police work), there was a horse and a woman assigned to every platoon,” Bruce said. “Women were assigned to strip searches, sex assault and child abuse cases. They gave us the janitor’s closet to change in.”</blockquote>
Bruce spent only a year in uniform. Fascinated by sex offenders and dangerous offenders, she went back to school and specialized in DNA.

In another dog show and professional crossover, Bruce finds her “resting bitch face,” while useful in interviewing dangerous offenders, comes across as stern in the show ring.

“I learned it in interviews,” Bruce said “because you’re going in with dangerous offenders – all male – who know they can take you on physically, but are really interested in taking you on mentally.”
<h2>Do the research</h2>
“I am frequently shocked by the fact that exhibitors don’t know who they’re showing to. They don’t do their research to find out what the judge’s background in dogs is,” Bruce said.

“I have never once enabled anyone to speak badly to me about any dog,” Bruce noted. “And I’ve never denied a dog based on who’s on the leash – it doesn’t work that way.”

Listen to part one of the <em><strong><a href="https://puredogtalk.com/pam-bruce-memories-and-the-essence-of-style-in-purebred-dogs-pure-dog-talk/">interview</a></strong></em> from last week.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Pam Bruce: Crime Scene Investigator and Dog Show Judge</h1>
<div id="attachment_6496" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 246px">


<p id="caption-attachment-6496" class="wp-caption-text">Pamela Bruce, Canadian and AKC judge.</p>

</div>
Canadian and AKC judge <strong>Pam Bruce</strong> recounts her background working as a police investigator for the elite Special Victims Unit in Toronto in part two of her interview with host <strong>Laura Reeves</strong>. Bruce, a cancer survivor herself, (10 years ago in April she was given three weeks to live) reminds us that dog shows are not curing cancer or solving world peace.
<h2>Dog people are fascinating</h2>
Bruce was a real-life Mariska Hargitay in Toronto. Her professional life and dog life frequently intertwined in cases in which <strong><em><u><a href="http://ebooks.dnmagazine.us/volume_03/issue_49/mobile/index.html#p=114" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Dr. Richard Meen</a></u></em></strong> (CKC/AKC judge and long-time breeder) was called as an expert witness in cases dealing with young offenders in which she was the lead investigator.
<blockquote>“When I first came on (police work), there was a horse and a woman assigned to every platoon,” Bruce said. “Women were assigned to strip searches, sex assault and child abuse cases. They gave us the janitor’s closet to change in.”</blockquote>
Bruce spent only a year in uniform. Fascinated by sex offenders and dangerous offenders, she went back to school and specialized in DNA.

In another dog show and professional crossover, Bruce finds her “resting bitch face,” while useful in interviewing dangerous offenders, comes across as stern in the show ring.

“I learned it in interviews,” Bruce said “because you’re going in with dangerous offenders – all male – who know they can take you on physically, but are really interested in taking you on mentally.”
<h2>Do the research</h2>
“I am frequently shocked by the fact that exhibitors don’t know who they’re showing to. They don’t do their research to find out what the judge’s background in dogs is,” Bruce said.

“I have never once enabled anyone to speak badly to me about any dog,” Bruce noted. “And I’ve never denied a dog based on who’s on the leash – it doesn’t work that way.”

Listen to part one of the <em><strong><a href="https://puredogtalk.com/pam-bruce-memories-and-the-essence-of-style-in-purebred-dogs-pure-dog-talk/">interview</a></strong></em> from last week.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/pam-bruce-crime-scene-investigator-and-dog-show-judge-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=6512</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2019 16:55:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/cca3856c-49cf-4505-b99a-f4f7728556d4/pam-brucepart-2.mp3" length="25578187" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>26:39</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>279 – Brian Cordova on Poodles, PCA and the Definition of “Poodly”</title><itunes:title>279 – Brian Cordova on Poodles, PCA and the Definition of “Poodly”</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Brian Cordova on Poodles, PCA and the Definition of “Poodly”</h1>
Miniature Poodle breeder <strong>Brian Cordova</strong> visits with host <strong>Laura Reeves</strong> about all things “poodly,” PCA (hint, Christmas in April!) and meeting “god.”

Poodle Club of America, currently hosted at Purina Farms in Missouri, in the early days was an outdoor event on the East Coast, for many years in Maryland. Cordova said the decorations at Purina Farms will make it seem like the dogs are being shown at a park, but with the convenience of being indoors.

Poodles, while attracting luminaries of purebred dogs, can be controversial, Cordova said, because of the trim. The continental clip, which served a function for the breed when retrieving waterfowl, is just window dressing he added.

“Ignore the trim and look at the legs and bones and what you’d judge on any other dog,” Cordova said. “The dog has to be sound. The rest of it is just fancy. When you say ‘poodly,’ people know what that means. It’s carriage and distinction.”
<div id="attachment_6539" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px">


<p id="caption-attachment-6539" class="wp-caption-text">Cordova shows Cha Cha, Ch. Bragabout Dancing Mistress to RWB under “god” Anne Rogers Clark, at PCA. “Cha Cha was a group winner from the classes and was RWB here at PCA in a Gigantic entry of toy bitches. She was defeated by a Delorch bitch from Am. Bred who then won BOV handled by Diane Artigues,” Cordova said.</p>

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Cordova remembers his singular visit to the home of Anne Rogers Clark, while he was an apprentice for legendary handler Tim Brazier. The team was showing Clark’s Poodles at the time. There, on “god’s” refrigerator, was a picture of Cordova with Mrs. Clark’s dog.

“It was spine tingling,” Cordova said.

Much of the excitement in Poodles today surrounds the Standard variety, but Cordova said miniatures used to be the popular variety.

“There would be hundreds of (miniatures) entered everywhere,” Cordova said. “But PRA blindness decimated the variety. They really took a tough turn.” Fortunately, he said miniatures had largely separate gene pools for black/brown and white colors. Breeders were able to cross the color gene pools to help clear the problems and build back. When testing for PRA became available, Cordova said that made a huge difference for the variety.

Cordova shared PCA memories going back 30 years of dogs and people. He vividly describes a memory of standing on a field dripping in sweat, watching miniatures, while the judge ran two outstanding bitches of the day against each other.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Brian Cordova on Poodles, PCA and the Definition of “Poodly”</h1>
Miniature Poodle breeder <strong>Brian Cordova</strong> visits with host <strong>Laura Reeves</strong> about all things “poodly,” PCA (hint, Christmas in April!) and meeting “god.”

Poodle Club of America, currently hosted at Purina Farms in Missouri, in the early days was an outdoor event on the East Coast, for many years in Maryland. Cordova said the decorations at Purina Farms will make it seem like the dogs are being shown at a park, but with the convenience of being indoors.

Poodles, while attracting luminaries of purebred dogs, can be controversial, Cordova said, because of the trim. The continental clip, which served a function for the breed when retrieving waterfowl, is just window dressing he added.

“Ignore the trim and look at the legs and bones and what you’d judge on any other dog,” Cordova said. “The dog has to be sound. The rest of it is just fancy. When you say ‘poodly,’ people know what that means. It’s carriage and distinction.”
<div id="attachment_6539" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px">


<p id="caption-attachment-6539" class="wp-caption-text">Cordova shows Cha Cha, Ch. Bragabout Dancing Mistress to RWB under “god” Anne Rogers Clark, at PCA. “Cha Cha was a group winner from the classes and was RWB here at PCA in a Gigantic entry of toy bitches. She was defeated by a Delorch bitch from Am. Bred who then won BOV handled by Diane Artigues,” Cordova said.</p>

</div>
Cordova remembers his singular visit to the home of Anne Rogers Clark, while he was an apprentice for legendary handler Tim Brazier. The team was showing Clark’s Poodles at the time. There, on “god’s” refrigerator, was a picture of Cordova with Mrs. Clark’s dog.

“It was spine tingling,” Cordova said.

Much of the excitement in Poodles today surrounds the Standard variety, but Cordova said miniatures used to be the popular variety.

“There would be hundreds of (miniatures) entered everywhere,” Cordova said. “But PRA blindness decimated the variety. They really took a tough turn.” Fortunately, he said miniatures had largely separate gene pools for black/brown and white colors. Breeders were able to cross the color gene pools to help clear the problems and build back. When testing for PRA became available, Cordova said that made a huge difference for the variety.

Cordova shared PCA memories going back 30 years of dogs and people. He vividly describes a memory of standing on a field dripping in sweat, watching miniatures, while the judge ran two outstanding bitches of the day against each other.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/brian-cordova-on-poodles-pca-and-the-definition-of-poodly-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=6538</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 15 Apr 2019 15:08:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/a3d09f3f-8715-42cf-9bb1-a6615bbca233/brian-cordova.mp3" length="22400440" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>23:20</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>280 — Richard Lopaschuk on Form and Function, Education and Judging</title><itunes:title>280 — Richard Lopaschuk on Form and Function, Education and Judging</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Richard Lopaschuk on Form and Function, Education and Judging</h1>
Richard Lopaschuk, an all-breeds judge from Canada, said his priority in the ring is form and function.

“All these breeds have a specific function,” Lopaschuk said. “If the form doesn’t match what they’re supposed to do, that’s how I assess what I have in the ring.”
<div id="attachment_6550" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px">


<p id="caption-attachment-6550" class="wp-caption-text">Richard and Nancy Lopaschuk, 54 years married and involved in purebred dogs.</p>

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Lopaschuk and his wife Nancy started in dogs 54 years ago with a German Shepherd Dog they showed in obedience. Like many other breeders, they competed in their first fun match, won a ribbon and were hooked for life. They bred GSD for 25 years, later moving in to Miniature Schnauzers, Cairn Terriers and most recently Papillons.

The Lopaschuk family stayed deeply involved in breeding, showing, judging, founding kennel clubs and competing in performance events with their dogs. Health testing, Lopaschuk said, was always a priority for their dogs in breeding programs. One of their first Papillons participated in initial testing to develop a marker for PRA in the breed.
<h2></h2>
<h2>Don’t be a drive-by dog enthusiast</h2>
“If you want to get in to show dog scene,” Lopaschuk said, “sit around the ring from 8 a.m. til best in show. Observe as many breeds as you possibly can. Watch the breed you like for several days. Get a perspective. Decide whether you’re going to be compatible with that breed.”

The difficulty with people today, Lopaschuk noted, is that when the breed is finished, they go home. They have no idea of perspective regarding other dogs in the ring.

“Novice handlers often have excellent dogs,” Lopaschuk said. “I don’t care how it’s handled. I sometimes see younger dogs that need to be trained. But I won’t *not* put up just because of the training, if the conformation is better.”
<h2>Education is the key</h2>
Lopaschuk  said long time breeders and clubs need to educate anybody that’s interested in owning a dog, make sure they buy the right dog, and know what they have to do to develop a great pet.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Richard Lopaschuk on Form and Function, Education and Judging</h1>
Richard Lopaschuk, an all-breeds judge from Canada, said his priority in the ring is form and function.

“All these breeds have a specific function,” Lopaschuk said. “If the form doesn’t match what they’re supposed to do, that’s how I assess what I have in the ring.”
<div id="attachment_6550" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px">


<p id="caption-attachment-6550" class="wp-caption-text">Richard and Nancy Lopaschuk, 54 years married and involved in purebred dogs.</p>

</div>
Lopaschuk and his wife Nancy started in dogs 54 years ago with a German Shepherd Dog they showed in obedience. Like many other breeders, they competed in their first fun match, won a ribbon and were hooked for life. They bred GSD for 25 years, later moving in to Miniature Schnauzers, Cairn Terriers and most recently Papillons.

The Lopaschuk family stayed deeply involved in breeding, showing, judging, founding kennel clubs and competing in performance events with their dogs. Health testing, Lopaschuk said, was always a priority for their dogs in breeding programs. One of their first Papillons participated in initial testing to develop a marker for PRA in the breed.
<h2></h2>
<h2>Don’t be a drive-by dog enthusiast</h2>
“If you want to get in to show dog scene,” Lopaschuk said, “sit around the ring from 8 a.m. til best in show. Observe as many breeds as you possibly can. Watch the breed you like for several days. Get a perspective. Decide whether you’re going to be compatible with that breed.”

The difficulty with people today, Lopaschuk noted, is that when the breed is finished, they go home. They have no idea of perspective regarding other dogs in the ring.

“Novice handlers often have excellent dogs,” Lopaschuk said. “I don’t care how it’s handled. I sometimes see younger dogs that need to be trained. But I won’t *not* put up just because of the training, if the conformation is better.”
<h2>Education is the key</h2>
Lopaschuk  said long time breeders and clubs need to educate anybody that’s interested in owning a dog, make sure they buy the right dog, and know what they have to do to develop a great pet.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/richard-lopaschuk-on-form-and-function-education-and-judging-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=6546</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2019 16:55:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/3c2393de-49d7-4ec9-81e3-baa163b549cc/dick-lopaschuk.mp3" length="22040578" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>22:58</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>282 — John Reeve-Newson: Be Kind and Show Good Manners</title><itunes:title>282 — John Reeve-Newson: Be Kind and Show Good Manners</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>John Reeve-Newson: Be Kind and Show Good Manners</h1>
John Reeve-Newson graduated from the Ontario Veterinary College in 1964 and soon after that returned to Toronto to establish The Animal Clinics One and Two, where he is still in active practice. He was also the founder of the Veterinary Emergency and Referral Clinic Partnership of Toronto, the first veterinary emergency clinic established in Canada.

In 2006, Reeve-Newson founded the Companion Animal Wellness Foundation, a registered charity that provides funding assistance for the treatment of the critically ill or injured pets of those financially disadvantaged. In 2014, he was made a Companion of the Order of Caring Canadians by the Governor-General.
<div id="attachment_6561" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 236px">


<p id="caption-attachment-6561" class="wp-caption-text">Richard Meen and  Am. Can. Ch Kishniga The Tempest, “Sebastian”</p>

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With Dr. Richard Meen, they established Kishniga Kennels in 1971. In 1977 Ch. Kishniga’s Desert Song, a Borzoi, bred by Reeve-Newson and Meen, and shown by Meen, was Canada’s top dog all breeds. The following year “Moustache,” as he was called, was exhibited in the USA and was number two hound in the USA. He is still the record holder for the breed with forty-seven all breed BIS in Canada and the USA to his credit. His brother “Dalgarth” was the youngest of his breed to win a BIS, which he did at nine months of age.

As a judge, Reeve-Newson remembers how he was treated as a newcomer and endeavors always to be polite and respectful of all exhibitors and dogs.

“Even if a dog isn’t good, (the dogs) don’t know it,” Reeve-Newson said. “They deserve as much of your attention as a great dog. They deserve to be treated with manners and politeness.”

Reeve-Newson will be judging at the World Dog Show in China next week. While the show venue has received criticism, Reeve-Newson believes in leading by example.

“You’re not going to change anything unless you go and show them a good example,” Reeve-Newson said. “Staying home yapping your mouth off isn’t going to do any good.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>John Reeve-Newson: Be Kind and Show Good Manners</h1>
John Reeve-Newson graduated from the Ontario Veterinary College in 1964 and soon after that returned to Toronto to establish The Animal Clinics One and Two, where he is still in active practice. He was also the founder of the Veterinary Emergency and Referral Clinic Partnership of Toronto, the first veterinary emergency clinic established in Canada.

In 2006, Reeve-Newson founded the Companion Animal Wellness Foundation, a registered charity that provides funding assistance for the treatment of the critically ill or injured pets of those financially disadvantaged. In 2014, he was made a Companion of the Order of Caring Canadians by the Governor-General.
<div id="attachment_6561" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 236px">


<p id="caption-attachment-6561" class="wp-caption-text">Richard Meen and  Am. Can. Ch Kishniga The Tempest, “Sebastian”</p>

</div>
With Dr. Richard Meen, they established Kishniga Kennels in 1971. In 1977 Ch. Kishniga’s Desert Song, a Borzoi, bred by Reeve-Newson and Meen, and shown by Meen, was Canada’s top dog all breeds. The following year “Moustache,” as he was called, was exhibited in the USA and was number two hound in the USA. He is still the record holder for the breed with forty-seven all breed BIS in Canada and the USA to his credit. His brother “Dalgarth” was the youngest of his breed to win a BIS, which he did at nine months of age.

As a judge, Reeve-Newson remembers how he was treated as a newcomer and endeavors always to be polite and respectful of all exhibitors and dogs.

“Even if a dog isn’t good, (the dogs) don’t know it,” Reeve-Newson said. “They deserve as much of your attention as a great dog. They deserve to be treated with manners and politeness.”

Reeve-Newson will be judging at the World Dog Show in China next week. While the show venue has received criticism, Reeve-Newson believes in leading by example.

“You’re not going to change anything unless you go and show them a good example,” Reeve-Newson said. “Staying home yapping your mouth off isn’t going to do any good.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/john-reeve-newson-be-kind-and-show-good-manners-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=6557</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2019 11:10:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/eb9aca1e-7124-4d01-a10f-4bc93340d78f/john-reeve-newsom.mp3" length="16862485" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>17:34</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>305 — Anne Katona on judging, retirement, owner handlers</title><itunes:title>305 — Anne Katona on judging, retirement, owner handlers</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Anne Katona on judging, retirement, owner handlers</h1>
Long time judge Anne Katona shares her insights about judging, announces her planned retirement in January 2021 and offers encouragement for owner handlers.

Famous for her greetings in the ring, where she reminds every exhibitor that “wiggles are allowed,” the perennially cheerful Katona noted that she’s “never known a wiggle to hurt bone structure. Why do they have to be little robots?”
<blockquote>“I want everybody who walks out of my ring to say, I didn’t win, but it’s ok, I had a good time” Katona said.
<h2>Tips for Owner Handlers</h2>
</blockquote>
Katona’s history as a breeder and owner-handler of Kerry Blue Terriers leaves her with an affinity for new folks and owner handlers. Her tips for them:
<ul>
 	<li>New people in the ring: Stand up straight, take a deep breath, and realize every person in this ring has been in your place.</li>
 	<li>In the group – take care of your dog, play with your dog, have fun, don’t just stand there with the dog on the end of the lead and hand on your hip</li>
 	<li>Take a couple seconds, go to corner of ring and then go around after the down and back. You’re cheating yourselves out of 30-50 feet of the dog being seen. And judges need to see how do the dogs take off and how they get their feet under them.</li>
 	<li>Owner handlers can be competitive if they take the time to train the dog.</li>
 	<li>Most important thing an owner handler can own, other than their dog, is a mirror… buy a full length mirror, put it on the wall horizontally at the level of your dog’s height, watch the dog in a free stack.</li>
 	<li>People with table breeds, work with them, let them walk forward, don’t just pick them up and plop them down. Not judging dogs on the table, just examining.</li>
 	<li>Don’t suffocate your dogs by stacking and leaning over them. Hand stack, stand back, don’t bend over the dog.</li>
 	<li>Do you want the truth? A lot of people don’t want to hear the truth because their ego is attached to that dog.</li>
</ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Anne Katona on judging, retirement, owner handlers</h1>
Long time judge Anne Katona shares her insights about judging, announces her planned retirement in January 2021 and offers encouragement for owner handlers.

Famous for her greetings in the ring, where she reminds every exhibitor that “wiggles are allowed,” the perennially cheerful Katona noted that she’s “never known a wiggle to hurt bone structure. Why do they have to be little robots?”
<blockquote>“I want everybody who walks out of my ring to say, I didn’t win, but it’s ok, I had a good time” Katona said.
<h2>Tips for Owner Handlers</h2>
</blockquote>
Katona’s history as a breeder and owner-handler of Kerry Blue Terriers leaves her with an affinity for new folks and owner handlers. Her tips for them:
<ul>
 	<li>New people in the ring: Stand up straight, take a deep breath, and realize every person in this ring has been in your place.</li>
 	<li>In the group – take care of your dog, play with your dog, have fun, don’t just stand there with the dog on the end of the lead and hand on your hip</li>
 	<li>Take a couple seconds, go to corner of ring and then go around after the down and back. You’re cheating yourselves out of 30-50 feet of the dog being seen. And judges need to see how do the dogs take off and how they get their feet under them.</li>
 	<li>Owner handlers can be competitive if they take the time to train the dog.</li>
 	<li>Most important thing an owner handler can own, other than their dog, is a mirror… buy a full length mirror, put it on the wall horizontally at the level of your dog’s height, watch the dog in a free stack.</li>
 	<li>People with table breeds, work with them, let them walk forward, don’t just pick them up and plop them down. Not judging dogs on the table, just examining.</li>
 	<li>Don’t suffocate your dogs by stacking and leaning over them. Hand stack, stand back, don’t bend over the dog.</li>
 	<li>Do you want the truth? A lot of people don’t want to hear the truth because their ego is attached to that dog.</li>
</ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/anne-katona-on-judging-retirement-owner-handlers-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=6697</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2019 16:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/bf0dc2cd-4ff3-4cb1-8cf9-f81362606c3e/anne-katona.mp3" length="38703785" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>40:19</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>312 — Susan Giles on the Lhasa Apso, Grooming and Breeding</title><itunes:title>312 — Susan Giles on the Lhasa Apso, Grooming and Breeding</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Susan Giles on the Lhasa Apso, Grooming Secrets, and Breeding</h1>
<strong><em><u><a href="https://www.westminsterkennelclub.org/road-to-westminster/susan-giles" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Susan Giles</a></u></em></strong>, Lhasa Apso breeder for 45 years, shares her grooming and breeding secrets, as well as the history of this ancient breed.

The Lhasa Apso is thought to have been the alert dogs in Tibetan monasteries, where they would bark to alert their larger brethren, the Tibetan Mastiff.

“These dogs are extremely intelligent,” Giles said. “They’ll make you think they don’t know anything. They are aloof with strangers. An independent breed, they’re not sitting on you or demanding.”
<h2>Hair, not fur</h2>
Apsos have hair, not fur, Giles noted, so owners don’t have hair shedding or dander. Dogs kept in coats require maintenance, but she says brushing the coat is calming.

“The important part is to stay on top of it,” Giles said. “They need to be brushed a couple of times a week and, bathed each week. The texture and hardness of the coat depend on how much brushing you’ll do. Clean coats are easy. Dirty coats mat.”

The Lhasa Apso temperament, although aloof, can be sweet, Giles observed.

“It’s all a matter of breeding,” Giles said. “A sharp temperament will take over in a pet home with growling and biting, if it’s sweet, it takes over by being cute.”

A proper Lhasa Apso expression is like “looking into the eyes of a very old soul,” Giles said.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Susan Giles on the Lhasa Apso, Grooming Secrets, and Breeding</h1>
<strong><em><u><a href="https://www.westminsterkennelclub.org/road-to-westminster/susan-giles" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Susan Giles</a></u></em></strong>, Lhasa Apso breeder for 45 years, shares her grooming and breeding secrets, as well as the history of this ancient breed.

The Lhasa Apso is thought to have been the alert dogs in Tibetan monasteries, where they would bark to alert their larger brethren, the Tibetan Mastiff.

“These dogs are extremely intelligent,” Giles said. “They’ll make you think they don’t know anything. They are aloof with strangers. An independent breed, they’re not sitting on you or demanding.”
<h2>Hair, not fur</h2>
Apsos have hair, not fur, Giles noted, so owners don’t have hair shedding or dander. Dogs kept in coats require maintenance, but she says brushing the coat is calming.

“The important part is to stay on top of it,” Giles said. “They need to be brushed a couple of times a week and, bathed each week. The texture and hardness of the coat depend on how much brushing you’ll do. Clean coats are easy. Dirty coats mat.”

The Lhasa Apso temperament, although aloof, can be sweet, Giles observed.

“It’s all a matter of breeding,” Giles said. “A sharp temperament will take over in a pet home with growling and biting, if it’s sweet, it takes over by being cute.”

A proper Lhasa Apso expression is like “looking into the eyes of a very old soul,” Giles said.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/312-susan-giles-on-the-lhasa-apso-grooming-and-breeding-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=6776</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2019 05:48:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/8b551fbe-491b-47d7-ac29-e916cbb95c10/susan-giles.mp3" length="27303948" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>28:26</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>330 – Breeding Rules from John Buddie, Tartanside Collies</title><itunes:title>330 – Breeding Rules from John Buddie, Tartanside Collies</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Breeding Rules from John Buddie, Tartanside Collies</h1>
John Buddie has spent a lifetime with Collies. His Tartanside family of dogs is world-famous and widely respected. His <a href="https://www.mcemn.com/buddie.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em><span style="text-decoration: underline"><strong>Breeding Rules</strong></span></em></a> are a distillation of more than 50 years of experience and success. This is part one of a two-part series.

Buddie’s original breed mentor gave him much of the knowledge he continues to share today.

“This was mentorship in the days of letter writing, plus weekends spent doing kennel chores, brushing dogs, really hands on work,” Buddie said. “When I asked a question, she would ask me a question to make me think.”

Spoon-feeding someone an answer doesn’t have the same impact as helping someone come to their own conclusion, Buddie observed.

Buddie’s “rules” are guidelines that are applicable across breeds and generations.
<h4>*Leave the sport/breed no worse than you found it</h4>
Show respect for the lines and breeders who came before by preserving that quality.
<h4>*The number of champions finished/ribbons earned is not the measure of a breeder</h4>
“There have been many important contributing breeders who changed the face of a breed who bred on a small scale,” Buddie said. “For every record achieved there will always be someone who can break that record.”
<h4>*Learn to read a pedigree</h4>
Research, look to breeders of the past, learn what they accomplished and how.
<h4>*Look to the grandparents</h4>
Most top producing dogs are just carrying the pedigree forward. Top sires, often the strength comes from dam side.

“I’ve had great success using the Maternal grandsire effect, in other words breed a quality bitch to her maternal grandsire,” Buddie said.
<h4>*You can never outrun a problem</h4>
“It’s a lot easier to rid yourself of problems with testing now. But you have to admit the problem and deal with it. It can mean scrapping a couple generations of breedings to clear it out. But you have to protect your breeding program as a whole.”
<h4>*Learn to see quality in other people’s dogs</h4>
“We make evaluations of dogs when we’re competitors… when you’re judging you realize you weren’t as open-minded as you thought you were.”
<h4>*Attend national to see dogs that you wouldn’t see any other time</h4>
Join us next week for the continuation of this fabulous conversation.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Breeding Rules from John Buddie, Tartanside Collies</h1>
John Buddie has spent a lifetime with Collies. His Tartanside family of dogs is world-famous and widely respected. His <a href="https://www.mcemn.com/buddie.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em><span style="text-decoration: underline"><strong>Breeding Rules</strong></span></em></a> are a distillation of more than 50 years of experience and success. This is part one of a two-part series.

Buddie’s original breed mentor gave him much of the knowledge he continues to share today.

“This was mentorship in the days of letter writing, plus weekends spent doing kennel chores, brushing dogs, really hands on work,” Buddie said. “When I asked a question, she would ask me a question to make me think.”

Spoon-feeding someone an answer doesn’t have the same impact as helping someone come to their own conclusion, Buddie observed.

Buddie’s “rules” are guidelines that are applicable across breeds and generations.
<h4>*Leave the sport/breed no worse than you found it</h4>
Show respect for the lines and breeders who came before by preserving that quality.
<h4>*The number of champions finished/ribbons earned is not the measure of a breeder</h4>
“There have been many important contributing breeders who changed the face of a breed who bred on a small scale,” Buddie said. “For every record achieved there will always be someone who can break that record.”
<h4>*Learn to read a pedigree</h4>
Research, look to breeders of the past, learn what they accomplished and how.
<h4>*Look to the grandparents</h4>
Most top producing dogs are just carrying the pedigree forward. Top sires, often the strength comes from dam side.

“I’ve had great success using the Maternal grandsire effect, in other words breed a quality bitch to her maternal grandsire,” Buddie said.
<h4>*You can never outrun a problem</h4>
“It’s a lot easier to rid yourself of problems with testing now. But you have to admit the problem and deal with it. It can mean scrapping a couple generations of breedings to clear it out. But you have to protect your breeding program as a whole.”
<h4>*Learn to see quality in other people’s dogs</h4>
“We make evaluations of dogs when we’re competitors… when you’re judging you realize you weren’t as open-minded as you thought you were.”
<h4>*Attend national to see dogs that you wouldn’t see any other time</h4>
Join us next week for the continuation of this fabulous conversation.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/breeding-rules-from-john-buddie-tartanside-collies-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=6868</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 10 Oct 2019 13:48:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/8a9bf856-3fdf-47c1-bd6f-bf506898f5e0/john-buddie-part-1.mp3" length="24467684" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>25:29</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>331 – John Buddie part 2: Respect, Reverence and Romance</title><itunes:title>331 – John Buddie part 2: Respect, Reverence and Romance</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>John Buddie part 2: Respect, Reverence and Romance</h1>
Master Breeder, John Buddie, Tartanside Collies, talks about the three “Rs”: <strong>Respect</strong> of the individuals who went before, <strong>reverence</strong> of finding and holding these people in high regard, and the <strong>romance</strong> of the history and studying the lore of the breed.
<blockquote>“If it’s all statistics and numbers and cut and dried, I think you burn out,” Buddie said.</blockquote>
In the second half of our interview, Buddie talks about maintaining virtues, the importance of selection and having heroes.

“You can lose the existing quality in a line by not maintaining emphasis on virtues, especially when you are trying to achieve improvement in an outcross,” Buddie said. “Don’t put so much emphasis on that new added characteristic that you lose sight of what you’ve worked so hard on to date”
<h2>Outcrosses</h2>
“You don’t always get the results you were aiming for until the generation after what you’ve done. The key is what you do with the outcrossed generation that makes or breaks you.”
<h2>Selection, selection, selection</h2>
<ul>
 	<li>Take time to really observe and evaluate puppies at various ages.</li>
 	<li>Don’t get rid of a puppy too early or too late.</li>
 	<li>Good, but not good enough. Is it the best of the best or the best of what you have?</li>
 	<li>Make a list of virtues of sire/dam… Identify what you most want to keep a puppy for from the litter.</li>
 	<li>Watch puppies in a pen. Too many folks want to just pick up and look at profile.</li>
 	<li>I take my time when evaluating puppies. People rush to judgement.</li>
 	<li>Photos give you a static picture and can be inaccurate based on how legs are placed.</li>
 	<li>More important to see in a natural position.</li>
</ul><br/>
Back in the day, the optimum time to finish a dog was three years old, Buddie noted.
<blockquote>“I’m afraid too many people are just getting the points, not really appreciating the dog show itself, the evaluation process, who you showed to and what a difference it made.

“Be stimulated by being inspired. Just make sure you’re inspired by the right person who really believes in the sanctity of the breed and the sport,” Buddie said.</blockquote>
Listen to Part 1 of our conversation <span style="text-decoration: underline"><em><strong><a href="https://puredogtalk.com/breeding-rules-from-john-buddie-tartanside-collies-pure-dog-talk/">here</a>.</strong></em></span>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>John Buddie part 2: Respect, Reverence and Romance</h1>
Master Breeder, John Buddie, Tartanside Collies, talks about the three “Rs”: <strong>Respect</strong> of the individuals who went before, <strong>reverence</strong> of finding and holding these people in high regard, and the <strong>romance</strong> of the history and studying the lore of the breed.
<blockquote>“If it’s all statistics and numbers and cut and dried, I think you burn out,” Buddie said.</blockquote>
In the second half of our interview, Buddie talks about maintaining virtues, the importance of selection and having heroes.

“You can lose the existing quality in a line by not maintaining emphasis on virtues, especially when you are trying to achieve improvement in an outcross,” Buddie said. “Don’t put so much emphasis on that new added characteristic that you lose sight of what you’ve worked so hard on to date”
<h2>Outcrosses</h2>
“You don’t always get the results you were aiming for until the generation after what you’ve done. The key is what you do with the outcrossed generation that makes or breaks you.”
<h2>Selection, selection, selection</h2>
<ul>
 	<li>Take time to really observe and evaluate puppies at various ages.</li>
 	<li>Don’t get rid of a puppy too early or too late.</li>
 	<li>Good, but not good enough. Is it the best of the best or the best of what you have?</li>
 	<li>Make a list of virtues of sire/dam… Identify what you most want to keep a puppy for from the litter.</li>
 	<li>Watch puppies in a pen. Too many folks want to just pick up and look at profile.</li>
 	<li>I take my time when evaluating puppies. People rush to judgement.</li>
 	<li>Photos give you a static picture and can be inaccurate based on how legs are placed.</li>
 	<li>More important to see in a natural position.</li>
</ul><br/>
Back in the day, the optimum time to finish a dog was three years old, Buddie noted.
<blockquote>“I’m afraid too many people are just getting the points, not really appreciating the dog show itself, the evaluation process, who you showed to and what a difference it made.

“Be stimulated by being inspired. Just make sure you’re inspired by the right person who really believes in the sanctity of the breed and the sport,” Buddie said.</blockquote>
Listen to Part 1 of our conversation <span style="text-decoration: underline"><em><strong><a href="https://puredogtalk.com/breeding-rules-from-john-buddie-tartanside-collies-pure-dog-talk/">here</a>.</strong></em></span>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/john-buddie-part-2-respect-reverence-and-romance-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=6875</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 14 Oct 2019 15:57:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/16948e94-78c4-44c0-b261-f3706cd844a4/john-buddie-part-2.mp3" length="21633503" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>22:32</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>334 – Golden Retriever Breed Education with Michael Faulkner</title><itunes:title>334 – Golden Retriever Breed Education with Michael Faulkner</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Golden Retriever Breed Education with Michael Faulkner</h1>
In honor of the Golden Retriever National Specialty, currently under way in Southern California, Host Laura Reeves visits with legendary judge and breeder <strong>Michael Faulkner</strong>. Actively involved with Goldens since 1969, Faulkner is deeply passionate about his breed.
<h2>Primarily a hunting dog</h2>
“This is the GOLDEN Retriever,” Faulkner said. “They have a coat of lustrous gold, they are a water dog, their form and function is to retrieve.

“The standard says ‘primarily a hunting dog,’ moderate, to be shown in good, hard working condition,” Faulkner said
<h2>“Yellow Wavy Coated Retrievers”</h2>
The double coat protects and wraps the body, Faulkner said. Early historians talk about the development in Scotland of “<strong><em><u><a href="https://www.grca.org/about-the-breed/breed-history/origin-of-the-yellow-retriever/">yellow, wavy coated retrievers</a>.</u></em></strong>”

“Quite often when you’re judging my breed you’re going to see a coat that wraps the body and it may have a slight wave. That’s perfect. We love it when you can see the natural wrap and frame. The coat should never be curly, but wave is perfectly acceptable,” Faulkner said.
<h2>Moderation in all things</h2>
Faulkner compares the correct Golden Retriever to a cow: “Moderate, legs underneath them, big rib cage, short loin, level back, thick thigh, tail straight off the back. It’s not a complicated breed.”

A well-known stickler and “old guard” in the breed, Faulkner insists that Goldens were never meant to be “fluffy” and that they “should not look like a baby Newfy.”

Proportions are the biggest thing next to grooming, Faulkner said. The <strong><em><u><a href="https://images.akc.org/pdf/breeds/standards/GoldenRetriever.pdf">breed standard</a></u></em></strong> calls for the body to be [12:11], just off square. They should never be long and low.
<h2>Gentleman’s gun dog</h2>
“The dogs are not supposed to roll, or lumber (when they move),” Faulkner said. “They are supposed to converge to the center line of travel. People forget that they are supposed to be primarily a hunting dog.

“They were kept by the nobility. Bred to go out with the hunter, work close to their side, bring the bird back, shake dry and lie next to fire.”

The cold water and rocky terrain of the breed’s native Scotland made endurance essential, Faulkner noted. Any exaggeration would hinder the working dog’s efficiency.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Golden Retriever Breed Education with Michael Faulkner</h1>
In honor of the Golden Retriever National Specialty, currently under way in Southern California, Host Laura Reeves visits with legendary judge and breeder <strong>Michael Faulkner</strong>. Actively involved with Goldens since 1969, Faulkner is deeply passionate about his breed.
<h2>Primarily a hunting dog</h2>
“This is the GOLDEN Retriever,” Faulkner said. “They have a coat of lustrous gold, they are a water dog, their form and function is to retrieve.

“The standard says ‘primarily a hunting dog,’ moderate, to be shown in good, hard working condition,” Faulkner said
<h2>“Yellow Wavy Coated Retrievers”</h2>
The double coat protects and wraps the body, Faulkner said. Early historians talk about the development in Scotland of “<strong><em><u><a href="https://www.grca.org/about-the-breed/breed-history/origin-of-the-yellow-retriever/">yellow, wavy coated retrievers</a>.</u></em></strong>”

“Quite often when you’re judging my breed you’re going to see a coat that wraps the body and it may have a slight wave. That’s perfect. We love it when you can see the natural wrap and frame. The coat should never be curly, but wave is perfectly acceptable,” Faulkner said.
<h2>Moderation in all things</h2>
Faulkner compares the correct Golden Retriever to a cow: “Moderate, legs underneath them, big rib cage, short loin, level back, thick thigh, tail straight off the back. It’s not a complicated breed.”

A well-known stickler and “old guard” in the breed, Faulkner insists that Goldens were never meant to be “fluffy” and that they “should not look like a baby Newfy.”

Proportions are the biggest thing next to grooming, Faulkner said. The <strong><em><u><a href="https://images.akc.org/pdf/breeds/standards/GoldenRetriever.pdf">breed standard</a></u></em></strong> calls for the body to be [12:11], just off square. They should never be long and low.
<h2>Gentleman’s gun dog</h2>
“The dogs are not supposed to roll, or lumber (when they move),” Faulkner said. “They are supposed to converge to the center line of travel. People forget that they are supposed to be primarily a hunting dog.

“They were kept by the nobility. Bred to go out with the hunter, work close to their side, bring the bird back, shake dry and lie next to fire.”

The cold water and rocky terrain of the breed’s native Scotland made endurance essential, Faulkner noted. Any exaggeration would hinder the working dog’s efficiency.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/golden-retriever-breed-education-with-michael-faulkner-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=6904</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 24 Oct 2019 16:43:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/01c4dd65-cea8-44f7-93cc-6934449695d3/mike-faulkner.mp3" length="25459496" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>26:31</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>335 – Jaraluv Scottish Deerhounds: 7 Secrets to Success</title><itunes:title>335 – Jaraluv Scottish Deerhounds: 7 Secrets to Success</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Jaraluv Scottish Deerhounds: 7 Secrets to Success</h1>
Ray and Jana Brinlee, Jaraluv Scottish Deerhounds, have a truly notable record. Breeding on a very limited basis since the early 1980s, they have produced a total of 94 dogs. Of which, 75 are champions of record and 11 are Best in Show Winners. A 12 percent ratio of BIS winners to puppies produced is remarkable in any breed, never mind an aloof, tousled sighthound.

The Brinlees are world-renowned for producing a very identifiable style of Deerhound. They were selected as AKC Hound Breeder of the year in 2016. In this part one of a two part interview, Ray and Jana share what developed very organically through their time in the breed, which they have distilled into seven “secrets to success” for any breeder.
<h2>Secrets to Success</h2>
<ol>
 	<li>Imprint</li>
 	<li>Experience, mentors</li>
 	<li>Foundation stock</li>
 	<li>Dedication and commitment</li>
 	<li>Breeding plan</li>
 	<li>Presentation</li>
 	<li>Sharpen the Saw</li>
</ol><br/>
<strong>Imprint</strong> the image of perfection in your breed in your mind’s eye. Be SURE that the vision you breed to is accurate to the standard!

Gain <strong>experience</strong> and seek <strong>mentors</strong> who will guide you, both in the breed and in other breeds. These folks can give you direction and encouragement.

Start with the best <strong>foundation stock</strong> you can get your hands on. Whatever your goals are, start with best and do the research to find complementary breedings.

Breeding dogs successfully requires <strong>dedication</strong> and <strong>commitment</strong> of time, money and effort. As Jana notes, nobody is getting rich doing this.

Every breeder needs a <strong>breeding plan</strong>. This is a point of distinction that is worth noting. Plan ahead. KNOW what you want to do and how you want to do it. Admittedly plans can change, but start with a plan and work the plan for the best chance of success. Outcross? Linebreeding? What’s your plan?

<strong>Presentation</strong> is a major key to success. If you’re breeding show dogs, they need to be in condition, in proper weight and trim and they need to be immaculately presented whether that is by an amateur or a professional, don’t ask judges to “find the diamond in the rough.”

<strong>Sharpen the Saw</strong> is a great “Rayism”… Ray describes this as a wrap up, as a continuing striving for success. Of knowing history – “you can’t mow the lawn in the dark because you can’t see where you’ve been.”

Join us for Part 2 on Thursday of this valuable series.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Jaraluv Scottish Deerhounds: 7 Secrets to Success</h1>
Ray and Jana Brinlee, Jaraluv Scottish Deerhounds, have a truly notable record. Breeding on a very limited basis since the early 1980s, they have produced a total of 94 dogs. Of which, 75 are champions of record and 11 are Best in Show Winners. A 12 percent ratio of BIS winners to puppies produced is remarkable in any breed, never mind an aloof, tousled sighthound.

The Brinlees are world-renowned for producing a very identifiable style of Deerhound. They were selected as AKC Hound Breeder of the year in 2016. In this part one of a two part interview, Ray and Jana share what developed very organically through their time in the breed, which they have distilled into seven “secrets to success” for any breeder.
<h2>Secrets to Success</h2>
<ol>
 	<li>Imprint</li>
 	<li>Experience, mentors</li>
 	<li>Foundation stock</li>
 	<li>Dedication and commitment</li>
 	<li>Breeding plan</li>
 	<li>Presentation</li>
 	<li>Sharpen the Saw</li>
</ol><br/>
<strong>Imprint</strong> the image of perfection in your breed in your mind’s eye. Be SURE that the vision you breed to is accurate to the standard!

Gain <strong>experience</strong> and seek <strong>mentors</strong> who will guide you, both in the breed and in other breeds. These folks can give you direction and encouragement.

Start with the best <strong>foundation stock</strong> you can get your hands on. Whatever your goals are, start with best and do the research to find complementary breedings.

Breeding dogs successfully requires <strong>dedication</strong> and <strong>commitment</strong> of time, money and effort. As Jana notes, nobody is getting rich doing this.

Every breeder needs a <strong>breeding plan</strong>. This is a point of distinction that is worth noting. Plan ahead. KNOW what you want to do and how you want to do it. Admittedly plans can change, but start with a plan and work the plan for the best chance of success. Outcross? Linebreeding? What’s your plan?

<strong>Presentation</strong> is a major key to success. If you’re breeding show dogs, they need to be in condition, in proper weight and trim and they need to be immaculately presented whether that is by an amateur or a professional, don’t ask judges to “find the diamond in the rough.”

<strong>Sharpen the Saw</strong> is a great “Rayism”… Ray describes this as a wrap up, as a continuing striving for success. Of knowing history – “you can’t mow the lawn in the dark because you can’t see where you’ve been.”

Join us for Part 2 on Thursday of this valuable series.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/jaraluv-scottish-deerhounds-7-secrets-to-success-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=6907</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 28 Oct 2019 15:09:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/fcc2af47-fdfc-4545-b396-50a282c13a4c/brinlee-part-1.mp3" length="26823716" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>27:56</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>336 – 20th Century Secrets in a 21st Century Format, Jaraluv</title><itunes:title>336 – 20th Century Secrets in a 21st Century Format, Jaraluv</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>20<sup>th</sup> Century Secrets in a 21<sup>st</sup> Century Format, Jaraluv</h1>
<div id="attachment_6913" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px">


<p id="caption-attachment-6913" class="wp-caption-text">MBIS Ch. Jaraluv Ouija – Faith’s daughter who holds the BIS record for Deerhounds in the US with 21 All Breed BIS. Pictured here at 8 years at the SDCA national specialty.</p>

</div>
Part two of the powerful interview with Ray and Jana Brinlee of Jaraluv Scottish Deerhounds applies their breeding secrets to today’s society. The small number operation modeled by the Brinlees is far more applicable to today’s world than the huge kennels maintained in the heyday of the sport.

“We need breeders to mentor new people,” Ray said. “There might be 20 good breeders and 80 people who breed dogs. There’s a difference.”

Ray’s solution to the “more exhibitors, fewer breeders” matrix that is at the center of dog show’s perceived decline is – it’s part of mentorship
<blockquote>“Breeders need to encourage pet people to show dogs,” Ray said. “We need breeders to tell folks, ‘that’s a heck of a dog I sold you, let’s try this, let’s go to this show, don’t waste those genes.”</blockquote>
The subjective nature of dog shows often is a driving force for exhibitors who turn to companion events, but the Brinlees see a different perspective.
<blockquote>“The difference is, as a breeder, you are doing it for the love of the breed,” Jana said. “You are trying to maintain the breed in the best way you can. All these other events are nice, they are fun, but they are not about preserving or maintaining your breed.”</blockquote>
<h2>Form IS Function</h2>
“We have to be concerned about the function of our dogs,” Ray noted “but many of our breeds are not allowed to do their historical jobs.” The Deerhound, for example, hunted in mountainous terrain. The flat track racing style of lure coursing doesn’t accurately test the breed’s function, Jana observed.

On the other hand, Ray contends that the classic “Deerhound movement…. Easy, active, true… if they do that, they will get around eight hours with the Hunt Masters hunting deer.”
<blockquote>Breed standards were written to describe the dogs that were best at their job. “We have to rely on that written word and be careful when you read it. That scares me about the generic show dog judging … the race to get more breeds makes me uncomfortable,” Jana said.</blockquote>
“It is important to us breeders that judges are a custodian for our breeds,” Ray added.

Listen to part one of the interview <a href="https://puredogtalk.com/jaraluv-scottish-deerhounds-7-secrets-to-success-pure-dog-talk/"><em><span style="text-decoration: underline"><strong>here</strong></span></em></a>.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>20<sup>th</sup> Century Secrets in a 21<sup>st</sup> Century Format, Jaraluv</h1>
<div id="attachment_6913" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 310px">


<p id="caption-attachment-6913" class="wp-caption-text">MBIS Ch. Jaraluv Ouija – Faith’s daughter who holds the BIS record for Deerhounds in the US with 21 All Breed BIS. Pictured here at 8 years at the SDCA national specialty.</p>

</div>
Part two of the powerful interview with Ray and Jana Brinlee of Jaraluv Scottish Deerhounds applies their breeding secrets to today’s society. The small number operation modeled by the Brinlees is far more applicable to today’s world than the huge kennels maintained in the heyday of the sport.

“We need breeders to mentor new people,” Ray said. “There might be 20 good breeders and 80 people who breed dogs. There’s a difference.”

Ray’s solution to the “more exhibitors, fewer breeders” matrix that is at the center of dog show’s perceived decline is – it’s part of mentorship
<blockquote>“Breeders need to encourage pet people to show dogs,” Ray said. “We need breeders to tell folks, ‘that’s a heck of a dog I sold you, let’s try this, let’s go to this show, don’t waste those genes.”</blockquote>
The subjective nature of dog shows often is a driving force for exhibitors who turn to companion events, but the Brinlees see a different perspective.
<blockquote>“The difference is, as a breeder, you are doing it for the love of the breed,” Jana said. “You are trying to maintain the breed in the best way you can. All these other events are nice, they are fun, but they are not about preserving or maintaining your breed.”</blockquote>
<h2>Form IS Function</h2>
“We have to be concerned about the function of our dogs,” Ray noted “but many of our breeds are not allowed to do their historical jobs.” The Deerhound, for example, hunted in mountainous terrain. The flat track racing style of lure coursing doesn’t accurately test the breed’s function, Jana observed.

On the other hand, Ray contends that the classic “Deerhound movement…. Easy, active, true… if they do that, they will get around eight hours with the Hunt Masters hunting deer.”
<blockquote>Breed standards were written to describe the dogs that were best at their job. “We have to rely on that written word and be careful when you read it. That scares me about the generic show dog judging … the race to get more breeds makes me uncomfortable,” Jana said.</blockquote>
“It is important to us breeders that judges are a custodian for our breeds,” Ray added.

Listen to part one of the interview <a href="https://puredogtalk.com/jaraluv-scottish-deerhounds-7-secrets-to-success-pure-dog-talk/"><em><span style="text-decoration: underline"><strong>here</strong></span></em></a>.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/20th-century-secrets-in-a-21st-century-format-jaraluv-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://puredogtalk.com/?p=6911</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 31 Oct 2019 19:45:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/33159ac7-245c-4739-82ef-15b658e53f55/brinlee-part-2.mp3" length="24211053" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>25:13</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>352 – Scott Sommer: Work Hard and Never Stop Trying</title><itunes:title>352 – Scott Sommer: Work Hard and Never Stop Trying</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Scott Sommer: Work Hard and Never Stop Trying</h1>
Scott Sommer, one of only a handful of people to show multiple dogs to Best in Show at Westminster Kennel Club, offers his best advice for success.

Both JR, the Bichon Frise and Stump, the Sussex Spaniel were surprise, dark horse winners at the Garden in their respective years. JR won under Dorothy MacDonald, defeating Mick, the incomparable Kerry Blue Terrier, handled by <strong><em><u><a href="https://puredogtalk.com/podcast/26-winners-of-westminster-dog-show-bill-mcfadden-valerie-nunes-atkinson-andy-linton-2/">Bill McFadden</a></u></em></strong>, in a match up of Titans in the dog world. Stump was the oldest dog to win the coveted award. He came out of retirement to celebrate surviving a nearly tragic illness, winning under Sari Tietjen, the roar of the Madison Square Garden crowd ringing in Sommer’s ears.

Sommer’s family bred smooth fox terriers. In fact, his mother sold legendary dog man Bobby Fisher his first show dog. Sommer showed his first dog at five years old and was hooked.

He later apprenticed for Bob and Jane Forsyth. On his 16<sup>th</sup> birthday, Sommer moved to Houston and went to work for Michael Kemp.
<h2>Best advice</h2>
His best advice? “Work hard and never stop trying. This is not something you can learn overnight. Work for it and you will get rewarded.”

“I think the initial steps are taking care of the dogs, cleaning them, feeding them, from there go forward,” Sommer said.
<h2>Top dogs</h2>
JR was the Number One ranked dog in country in 2001. But Sommer said he’d never shown the dog to MacDonald before that Best in Show lineup.

“How she decided between JR &amp; Mick I’ll never know,” Sommer said. “I fully expected the Kerry to win. When she said ‘Bichon,’ I just ran…

“JR was a great show dog. He just never let down. It could be hot, cold, wet, it didn’t matter. He was so dependable. When you show a dog at that level that is so important,” Sommer added.

Both JR and Stump lived out their lives with Sommer. They were inseparable best friends and died a week apart.
<h2>Run!</h2>
Sommer’s best recommendations for the Garden include making sure large breed dogs have boots so the salt on the streets doesn’t hurt their feet.

“Go in with all the confidence in the world, hope and pray, and do the best job you can,” Sommer said. “If (the judge) points at you, RUN!]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Scott Sommer: Work Hard and Never Stop Trying</h1>
Scott Sommer, one of only a handful of people to show multiple dogs to Best in Show at Westminster Kennel Club, offers his best advice for success.

Both JR, the Bichon Frise and Stump, the Sussex Spaniel were surprise, dark horse winners at the Garden in their respective years. JR won under Dorothy MacDonald, defeating Mick, the incomparable Kerry Blue Terrier, handled by <strong><em><u><a href="https://puredogtalk.com/podcast/26-winners-of-westminster-dog-show-bill-mcfadden-valerie-nunes-atkinson-andy-linton-2/">Bill McFadden</a></u></em></strong>, in a match up of Titans in the dog world. Stump was the oldest dog to win the coveted award. He came out of retirement to celebrate surviving a nearly tragic illness, winning under Sari Tietjen, the roar of the Madison Square Garden crowd ringing in Sommer’s ears.

Sommer’s family bred smooth fox terriers. In fact, his mother sold legendary dog man Bobby Fisher his first show dog. Sommer showed his first dog at five years old and was hooked.

He later apprenticed for Bob and Jane Forsyth. On his 16<sup>th</sup> birthday, Sommer moved to Houston and went to work for Michael Kemp.
<h2>Best advice</h2>
His best advice? “Work hard and never stop trying. This is not something you can learn overnight. Work for it and you will get rewarded.”

“I think the initial steps are taking care of the dogs, cleaning them, feeding them, from there go forward,” Sommer said.
<h2>Top dogs</h2>
JR was the Number One ranked dog in country in 2001. But Sommer said he’d never shown the dog to MacDonald before that Best in Show lineup.

“How she decided between JR &amp; Mick I’ll never know,” Sommer said. “I fully expected the Kerry to win. When she said ‘Bichon,’ I just ran…

“JR was a great show dog. He just never let down. It could be hot, cold, wet, it didn’t matter. He was so dependable. When you show a dog at that level that is so important,” Sommer added.

Both JR and Stump lived out their lives with Sommer. They were inseparable best friends and died a week apart.
<h2>Run!</h2>
Sommer’s best recommendations for the Garden include making sure large breed dogs have boots so the salt on the streets doesn’t hurt their feet.

“Go in with all the confidence in the world, hope and pray, and do the best job you can,” Sommer said. “If (the judge) points at you, RUN!]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/352-scott-sommer-work-hard-and-never-stop-trying-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">441aafa9-d6cf-45b4-946c-5c4365220484</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 26 Dec 2019 12:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/00f66d4b-967e-4db8-b6d6-7ab0baa3a991/scott-sommer-part-1.mp3" length="19393243" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>20:12</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>353 – Scott Sommer 2: Money in Dog Shows and Setting Goals</title><itunes:title>353 – Scott Sommer 2: Money in Dog Shows and Setting Goals</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Scott Sommer part 2: Money in Dog Shows and Setting Goals</h1>
<strong>Scott Sommer</strong>, one of only a handful of people to show multiple dogs to Best in Show at Westminster Kennel Club, joins host <strong>Laura Reeves</strong> in part two of this conversation for a deep dive on a tricky topic -- money. How to get it, how to spend it and how much it matters.

Sommer also shares his view of the difference between a “good” dog and a “great” dog. For him, it’s all about the dog’s “heart.” He describes the iconic Bichon Frise, JR, Ch. Special Times Just Right, as having a “heart of a lion.”
<blockquote>“Sometimes the dog with heart will beat a dog that is *technically* better simply because it will always perform, no matter the conditions,” Sommer said.</blockquote>
The back story on how Sommer acquired JR for his client, Cecelia Ruggles, and worked with JR's owners, Eleanor McDonald and Flavio Werneck, is absolutely a testament to the power of determination.

“Flavio wanted me to have the dog,” Sommer said. “I called Cel every day for a month. Finally, I told her, ‘I don’t care who shows that other dog, it will beat this other dog we have every time,’” Sommer recalls. Next thing he knew, he was meeting Eleanor at the Houston airport with JR in a Sherpa bag and “shouting with joy.”

Campaigning a show dog, at any level, requires a plan, Sommer said. Whether your goal is to achieve number one status in your breed or number one all-breeds in the country, the steps are the same.
<h2>Have a goal</h2>
Every dog is different. A dog with breed type, soundness and heart is that once in a lifetime goal for all of us. Learn to be critical of your dog and know its strengths and weaknesses. Plan accordingly.

Create and stick to a sensible plan for the dog’s career. Know your budget, know your time and know your limits.

Take a listen to our previous <strong><em><u><a href="https://puredogtalk.com/podcast/24-number-1-what-right-dog-right-timing-wrong-plan-2/">episode</a> </u></em></strong>where we take a deeper dive into how to make these decisions.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Scott Sommer part 2: Money in Dog Shows and Setting Goals</h1>
<strong>Scott Sommer</strong>, one of only a handful of people to show multiple dogs to Best in Show at Westminster Kennel Club, joins host <strong>Laura Reeves</strong> in part two of this conversation for a deep dive on a tricky topic -- money. How to get it, how to spend it and how much it matters.

Sommer also shares his view of the difference between a “good” dog and a “great” dog. For him, it’s all about the dog’s “heart.” He describes the iconic Bichon Frise, JR, Ch. Special Times Just Right, as having a “heart of a lion.”
<blockquote>“Sometimes the dog with heart will beat a dog that is *technically* better simply because it will always perform, no matter the conditions,” Sommer said.</blockquote>
The back story on how Sommer acquired JR for his client, Cecelia Ruggles, and worked with JR's owners, Eleanor McDonald and Flavio Werneck, is absolutely a testament to the power of determination.

“Flavio wanted me to have the dog,” Sommer said. “I called Cel every day for a month. Finally, I told her, ‘I don’t care who shows that other dog, it will beat this other dog we have every time,’” Sommer recalls. Next thing he knew, he was meeting Eleanor at the Houston airport with JR in a Sherpa bag and “shouting with joy.”

Campaigning a show dog, at any level, requires a plan, Sommer said. Whether your goal is to achieve number one status in your breed or number one all-breeds in the country, the steps are the same.
<h2>Have a goal</h2>
Every dog is different. A dog with breed type, soundness and heart is that once in a lifetime goal for all of us. Learn to be critical of your dog and know its strengths and weaknesses. Plan accordingly.

Create and stick to a sensible plan for the dog’s career. Know your budget, know your time and know your limits.

Take a listen to our previous <strong><em><u><a href="https://puredogtalk.com/podcast/24-number-1-what-right-dog-right-timing-wrong-plan-2/">episode</a> </u></em></strong>where we take a deeper dive into how to make these decisions.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/353-scott-sommer-2-money-in-dog-shows-and-setting-goals-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">704f2095-96f7-4f6e-9940-393aa471a763</guid><itunes:image href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/523752_111796015643691_1839745516_n-1.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 30 Dec 2019 09:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/fc644407-cda0-4d24-80b9-f923be34d3d8/scott-sommer-part-2.mp3" length="26760192" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>27:52</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>355 – Scott Sommer on Owner/Professional Handlers Relationship</title><itunes:title>355 – Scott Sommer on Owner/Professional Handlers Relationship</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Scott Sommer on the Owner/Professional Handlers Relationship</h1>
<strong>Scott Sommer</strong>, handler of two different Westminster Kennel Club Best in Show winners is back for the third and final installment of his conversation with host <strong>Laura Reeves</strong>.

Today we’re talking about owner handlers and professional handlers. Plus, Sommer talks about the most difficult trimming techniques he learned and offers invaluable tips from an experienced veteran about working with scissored coats and other tricks of the trade.
<h2>Handlers compete with the best to improve</h2>
Discussing the Owner Handled competition, Sommer reflects on the past when direct competition between amateur and professional handlers forced owners to “Step up and compete with handlers, which made them better.”
<blockquote>“Owner Handled allows them to compete against one another. I’m not opposed, but I think it separates the whole dog show world,” Sommer observed. “It takes away from people’s ability to learn. You have to compete with the better (competitor) to make your dog better. It makes a difference.</blockquote>
“The Owner Handlers have to compete with people who can make a dog look like it isn’t. It’s a hard thing to do. I worked for Michael Kemp for 16 years. Even now, I struggle with some things. It takes a long time to learn.”
<h2>Still learning after all this time</h2>
Sommer said that even after 40 years, his biggest struggle is trimming a dog’s off-side front leg.
<blockquote>“It’s horrible,” Sommer said. “The hardest thing in the world for me to get right was the neck in to shoulder. The best thing you can do is never touch the head and neck until a day after they are bathed. You can trim the body. But if you trim (the head/neck of a Bichon Frise) right after you dry, there’ll be no hair left. It needs at least a day.”</blockquote>
Sommer noted that climate, humidity, and even water quality makes a tremendous difference in coat texture. He advised bathing a Bichon two to three days ahead of the show in order to have enough spring in their coat.

“When I was in dry areas, I’d just spray water and pat the hair down,” Sommer said. “Kaz (Hosaka, legendary poodle handler and protégé of Anne Rogers Clark) taught me that.

“There’s so much to tell people. (Learning all of this) doesn’t just happen overnight.”]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Scott Sommer on the Owner/Professional Handlers Relationship</h1>
<strong>Scott Sommer</strong>, handler of two different Westminster Kennel Club Best in Show winners is back for the third and final installment of his conversation with host <strong>Laura Reeves</strong>.

Today we’re talking about owner handlers and professional handlers. Plus, Sommer talks about the most difficult trimming techniques he learned and offers invaluable tips from an experienced veteran about working with scissored coats and other tricks of the trade.
<h2>Handlers compete with the best to improve</h2>
Discussing the Owner Handled competition, Sommer reflects on the past when direct competition between amateur and professional handlers forced owners to “Step up and compete with handlers, which made them better.”
<blockquote>“Owner Handled allows them to compete against one another. I’m not opposed, but I think it separates the whole dog show world,” Sommer observed. “It takes away from people’s ability to learn. You have to compete with the better (competitor) to make your dog better. It makes a difference.</blockquote>
“The Owner Handlers have to compete with people who can make a dog look like it isn’t. It’s a hard thing to do. I worked for Michael Kemp for 16 years. Even now, I struggle with some things. It takes a long time to learn.”
<h2>Still learning after all this time</h2>
Sommer said that even after 40 years, his biggest struggle is trimming a dog’s off-side front leg.
<blockquote>“It’s horrible,” Sommer said. “The hardest thing in the world for me to get right was the neck in to shoulder. The best thing you can do is never touch the head and neck until a day after they are bathed. You can trim the body. But if you trim (the head/neck of a Bichon Frise) right after you dry, there’ll be no hair left. It needs at least a day.”</blockquote>
Sommer noted that climate, humidity, and even water quality makes a tremendous difference in coat texture. He advised bathing a Bichon two to three days ahead of the show in order to have enough spring in their coat.

“When I was in dry areas, I’d just spray water and pat the hair down,” Sommer said. “Kaz (Hosaka, legendary poodle handler and protégé of Anne Rogers Clark) taught me that.

“There’s so much to tell people. (Learning all of this) doesn’t just happen overnight.”]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/355-scott-sommer-on-ownerprofessional-handler-relationship-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">9cc92572-5ba3-4883-b737-582eec632a0d</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 06 Jan 2020 09:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/66cf365c-0b32-425f-b8ff-aa9590db6dc4/scott-sommer-part-3.mp3" length="24297159" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>25:19</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>358 – Dale &amp; Jane Martenson: Touche Japanese Chin</title><itunes:title>358 – Dale &amp; Jane Martenson: Touche Japanese Chin</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Dale &amp; Jane Martenson: Touche Japanese Chin</h1>
Master Breeders <strong>Dale and Jane Martenson</strong> of Touche Japanese Chin, have produced more than 500 champions in a very difficult breed. Dale shares invaluable, detailed advice for success.

Purposely bred dogs allow us to pick the dog that best fits our lives, Martenson said. He and Jane started with Cocker Spaniels in the ‘80s when the breed was deeply competitive.

“Cockers helped us learn how to lose. We showed dogs for two years before we earned a point,” Martenson said. “You learn a lot on those drives home.”

In the original dog show, there was winning and losing, Martenson said. You got good or got out.

“There was a degree of respect and those were the people (handlers) we wanted to learn from,” Martenson said.
<blockquote>“You can raise dogs successfully on a profitable basis with integrity. This is an achievable goal. You don’t have to be a martyr. Use the tools we have today,” Martenson said.</blockquote>
<h2>Advice from Touche</h2>
On a breeding program: Have a good core line of bitches, keep the line sound and clean. Can maintain a small but effective program based on your bitches.

On owner-handlers: When you know your dogs and can compete with your dogs, you know the areas you want to improve.

On breeding decisions: Have A and B lists of faults – what you can live with and what you can’t

On importing: Don’t ever believe your own advertising

On outcrossing: Don’t discount the value of the things you know for the comfort of the things you don’t know

On money in breeding: If you don’t make money with your dogs then you aren’t doing it very well. Should be a self-funding hobby. Should be able to get out of it, what you put into it.

On retiring breeding dogs: You cannot be a great breeder and be a hoarder too.
<blockquote>“One thing I love about our sport is anybody can come in and compete at any level. You don’t have to be of a high finance. It can be your own dog you raised if you do the equal work. You also have the advantage of knowing your animal more intimately,” Martenson said.</blockquote>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Dale &amp; Jane Martenson: Touche Japanese Chin</h1>
Master Breeders <strong>Dale and Jane Martenson</strong> of Touche Japanese Chin, have produced more than 500 champions in a very difficult breed. Dale shares invaluable, detailed advice for success.

Purposely bred dogs allow us to pick the dog that best fits our lives, Martenson said. He and Jane started with Cocker Spaniels in the ‘80s when the breed was deeply competitive.

“Cockers helped us learn how to lose. We showed dogs for two years before we earned a point,” Martenson said. “You learn a lot on those drives home.”

In the original dog show, there was winning and losing, Martenson said. You got good or got out.

“There was a degree of respect and those were the people (handlers) we wanted to learn from,” Martenson said.
<blockquote>“You can raise dogs successfully on a profitable basis with integrity. This is an achievable goal. You don’t have to be a martyr. Use the tools we have today,” Martenson said.</blockquote>
<h2>Advice from Touche</h2>
On a breeding program: Have a good core line of bitches, keep the line sound and clean. Can maintain a small but effective program based on your bitches.

On owner-handlers: When you know your dogs and can compete with your dogs, you know the areas you want to improve.

On breeding decisions: Have A and B lists of faults – what you can live with and what you can’t

On importing: Don’t ever believe your own advertising

On outcrossing: Don’t discount the value of the things you know for the comfort of the things you don’t know

On money in breeding: If you don’t make money with your dogs then you aren’t doing it very well. Should be a self-funding hobby. Should be able to get out of it, what you put into it.

On retiring breeding dogs: You cannot be a great breeder and be a hoarder too.
<blockquote>“One thing I love about our sport is anybody can come in and compete at any level. You don’t have to be of a high finance. It can be your own dog you raised if you do the equal work. You also have the advantage of knowing your animal more intimately,” Martenson said.</blockquote>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/358-dale-jane-martenson-touche-japanese-chin-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">1e1ca5d9-ec1c-47b7-a7af-40ee90025228</guid><itunes:image href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/33862952_1971375716206365_749592395833671680_n-1.jpg"/><pubDate>Thu, 16 Jan 2020 09:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/4681a141-e4c0-4db2-9e67-f7f1c2fe16ad/dale-martenson.mp3" length="39267197" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>40:54</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>362 — Joseph Vergnetti: the Art and Science of Dog Breeding</title><itunes:title>362 — Joseph Vergnetti: the Art and Science of Dog Breeding</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Joseph Vergnetti: the Art and Science of Dog Breeding</h1>
<blockquote>
<h3 style="text-align: center">"Breeding is Like a Recipe, You Need All the Ingredients On Hand"</h3>
</blockquote>
[caption id="attachment_7695" align="alignleft" width="225"] Host Laura Reeves and Joseph Vergnetti in Puyallup, Washington.[/caption]

So says Joseph Vergnetti, master breeder at Dassin Poodles. Vergnetti talks about the presentation, line-breeding and outcrosses, and the differences in the varieties.

In partnership with Ellen Charles, Vergnetti has been voted Breeder of the Year twice by his peers and was selected Non-Sporting breeder of the year by the American Kennel Club. They have produced more than 300 champions across all varieties of poodles.
<h2>Starting Young</h2>
<img class="size-medium wp-image-7693 alignright" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/29694756_343732662783642_3598555593816934850_n-300x297.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="297" />Starting with a toy poodle that he learned to trim by himself at 10 years old, Vergnetti has successfully bred Boxers, Great Danes and American Foxhounds as well. He apprenticed with professional handlers in his teens, including Ted Young Jr, then went to work for Wendell Sammet, Ale Kai poodles.

“Wendell was hardest worker in the world. Everything was very precise,” Vergnetti said.

It was during this late ‘60s, early ‘70s time frame, that the trimming and presentation style of poodles changed dramatically, Vergnetti said, with the “spray up” becoming more and more important.
<blockquote>“Today it is a little over-done,” Vergnetti said. “They are almost a caricature, way over the top. Hairspray and excessive presentation has taken over. In a way, I think poodles are a victim of their own beauty. There is a normal dog (construction) under all the hair. That’s very important.”</blockquote>
<h2>Differences in varieties</h2>
Miniature poodles are Vergnetti’s favorite, he said, adding that “Miniatures are smart. They’re the perfect size. They know what they like and what they don’t.” He noted that miniatures often have more work ethic than standards. They were originally truffle dogs and circus dogs. “They don’t take much (grief) from anybody.”
<h2>Breeding planning</h2>
When breeding dogs, you need to have all ingredients, like a recipe, Vergnetti opined. The Dassin program generally maintains seven or eight stud dogs and an average of 10 bitches… “It’s important to have the dogs you want in front of you,” he said.

The Dassin Farms facility features a four-story-tall barn for a kennel building, Vergnetti said, with 50-60 runs and 72 windows all around.

“We can see the dogs all day, every single day. We take hair off the puppies to see the bodies. You can see temperament. We evaluate them every day on their own,” Vergnetti said, which he adds is how they make decisions about which dogs to keep.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Joseph Vergnetti: the Art and Science of Dog Breeding</h1>
<blockquote>
<h3 style="text-align: center">"Breeding is Like a Recipe, You Need All the Ingredients On Hand"</h3>
</blockquote>
[caption id="attachment_7695" align="alignleft" width="225"] Host Laura Reeves and Joseph Vergnetti in Puyallup, Washington.[/caption]

So says Joseph Vergnetti, master breeder at Dassin Poodles. Vergnetti talks about the presentation, line-breeding and outcrosses, and the differences in the varieties.

In partnership with Ellen Charles, Vergnetti has been voted Breeder of the Year twice by his peers and was selected Non-Sporting breeder of the year by the American Kennel Club. They have produced more than 300 champions across all varieties of poodles.
<h2>Starting Young</h2>
<img class="size-medium wp-image-7693 alignright" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/29694756_343732662783642_3598555593816934850_n-300x297.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="297" />Starting with a toy poodle that he learned to trim by himself at 10 years old, Vergnetti has successfully bred Boxers, Great Danes and American Foxhounds as well. He apprenticed with professional handlers in his teens, including Ted Young Jr, then went to work for Wendell Sammet, Ale Kai poodles.

“Wendell was hardest worker in the world. Everything was very precise,” Vergnetti said.

It was during this late ‘60s, early ‘70s time frame, that the trimming and presentation style of poodles changed dramatically, Vergnetti said, with the “spray up” becoming more and more important.
<blockquote>“Today it is a little over-done,” Vergnetti said. “They are almost a caricature, way over the top. Hairspray and excessive presentation has taken over. In a way, I think poodles are a victim of their own beauty. There is a normal dog (construction) under all the hair. That’s very important.”</blockquote>
<h2>Differences in varieties</h2>
Miniature poodles are Vergnetti’s favorite, he said, adding that “Miniatures are smart. They’re the perfect size. They know what they like and what they don’t.” He noted that miniatures often have more work ethic than standards. They were originally truffle dogs and circus dogs. “They don’t take much (grief) from anybody.”
<h2>Breeding planning</h2>
When breeding dogs, you need to have all ingredients, like a recipe, Vergnetti opined. The Dassin program generally maintains seven or eight stud dogs and an average of 10 bitches… “It’s important to have the dogs you want in front of you,” he said.

The Dassin Farms facility features a four-story-tall barn for a kennel building, Vergnetti said, with 50-60 runs and 72 windows all around.

“We can see the dogs all day, every single day. We take hair off the puppies to see the bodies. You can see temperament. We evaluate them every day on their own,” Vergnetti said, which he adds is how they make decisions about which dogs to keep.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/362joseph-vergnetti-the-art-and-science-of-dog-breeding-pure-dog-talk]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">ef4ae6a1-a0e8-4f4f-a6b9-85945ce5ec51</guid><itunes:image href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/17972099_1638599052836522_474744163840734620_o-1.jpg"/><pubDate>Thu, 30 Jan 2020 09:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/12b835fd-3b06-4c80-9ae6-c0f8fa9897f9/joe-vergnetti.mp3" length="34181469" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>35:36</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>408 – Janina Laurin Reflects on a Lifetime in Dogs, the Belgian Breeds</title><itunes:title>408 – Janina Laurin Reflects on a Lifetime in Dogs, the Belgian Breeds</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p><br></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><br></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/408-janina-laurin-reflects-on-a-lifetime-in-dogs-the-belgian-breeds]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">eb8178c9-aed7-4f0e-af04-7ad05050dbb3</guid><itunes:image href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/10903916_10152744733064652_2450711228075041875_o-1.jpg"/><pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2020 09:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d88bccce-dbfb-4dfd-92db-303716b1368d/janina.mp3" length="33073871" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>34:27</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>410 – Jim Moses and Deborah Stern on German Shepherd Dogs</title><itunes:title>410 – Jim Moses and Deborah Stern on German Shepherd Dogs</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p><br></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><br></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/410-jim-moses-and-deborah-stern-on-german-shepherd-dogs]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">10efd7f6-ef97-484c-b8f1-0aac7a894f27</guid><itunes:image href="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/IMG_3746-1.jpg"/><pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2020 09:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/3d77952c-789d-49cb-9621-bbae8528b941/german-shepard-panel-part-1.mp3" length="23647657" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>24:38</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>412 – German Shepherd Dogs: Myth Busting and Truth Telling</title><itunes:title>412 – German Shepherd Dogs: Myth Busting and Truth Telling</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p><br></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><br></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/412-german-shepherd-dogs-myth-busting-and-truth-telling]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">5cfcd0f7-570b-41fb-bfe8-6b013e023cdc</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2020 09:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/533e3c29-79ec-4c28-8bca-1406584631d4/german-shepard-panel-part-2.mp3" length="36212764" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>37:43</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>437 – Richard Reynolds on Foxhounds and Favors</title><itunes:title>437 – Richard Reynolds on Foxhounds and Favors</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Richard Reynolds on Foxhounds and Favors</h1>
[caption id="attachment_8383" align="alignleft" width="300"] "Westminster 1977. BoV under Peter Knoop was 13" Ch. Englandale's Crestwood Star. I sold her as a pet, but her owner believed that she could do anything and pushed me to show her. She not only finished her title, and won the variety at "the World Series of Dogdom", she also had several obedience titles."[/caption]

Richard Reynolds is joining us today. This is the first part of a two-part episode. We're going to talk about rat hunting and foxhounds and all kinds of fabulous historical stuff, because he is a brain trust of all things history in purebred dogs.

Reynolds said his involvement in purebred dogs “started from a National Geographic magazine. I was a young lad in his early teens and I came upon a National Geographic magazine that had an article Westminster, the World Series of Dogs” circa 1949.

“All of my colleagues had Playboy magazine hidden under their mattresses and I had National Geographic,” Reynolds said, “not for the same purpose of course.”

Reynolds said he acquired his first Beagle “for the princely sum of $35 from a gentleman who hunted them and, as they say, the rest was history.

[caption id="attachment_8387" align="alignright" width="300"]<img class="wp-image-8387 size-medium" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/71012110_10211661744299627_3497217828468031488_o-300x238.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="238" /> "The hound was Mr. Stewart's Cheshire Federal, a gift to me from Nancy Penn Smith Hannum, MFH. There weren't any other AKC English Foxhounds around, so we finished him the hard way...by winning groups. I believe he was the second AKC Ch. English Foxhound."[/caption]

“The first Beagle fell somewhat short of being a show dog, but the next one was a show dog. It cost a great deal more than $35, although I'm not sure it was worth much more. That kind of got me started with the dog showing thing.”

Reynolds' focus has always been on preserving breed type through concentration on performance ability. He was a Master of Foxhounds with the only dual registry recognized hunting pack. His Old English hounds won a group at Westminster, many Bests in Show, many Large Pack classes at hound shows and the occasional Grand Championship.

[caption id="attachment_8384" align="alignleft" width="300"]<img class="wp-image-8384 size-medium" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/13909392_10204931320243232_3449516448466078489_o-300x206.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="206" /> "These were my hounds in the Five Couple class at the Virginia Hound Show some years ago," Renolds noted on social media.[/caption]

Most important, Reynolds noted, each hound hunted a regular three day a week schedule.

Comparing the English and American Foxhounds, Reynolds notes, “The old English Foxhound is heavier, larger. Level top line. Picture, if you will, a bulldozer on feet. The American foxhound is lighter, leggier, has a slight rise over the loin to give it speed. It's of course descended from the English Foxhound, but it's not exactly the same.

[caption id="attachment_8386" align="alignright" width="300"]<img class="wp-image-8386 size-medium" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/26756484_10208083777172685_8770113295062197242_o-300x209.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="209" /> "When one is a visitor, hunting with another recognized pack, it is courteous to wear a black coat rather than scarlet with your home hunt colors. This was on such an occasion with my ex-three day eventer, Eastwick."[/caption]

"They both have their purposes and, like all of the hounds and terriers, that purpose is directly related to the country, the land where the dog hunts and works. American foxhounds are suited to the wide open spaces in the United States and the English are suited to the Gorse hedges and stone walls and whatever of England. We found them very useful in Pennsylvania where I'm at because we have a wonderful agricultural phenomenon known as the multiflora rose.”

[caption id="attachment_8385" align="alignleft" width="300"]<img class="size-medium wp-image-8385" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/12484730_10203773760424960_4959599046274722101_o-300x237.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="237" /> Ch. Mr. Stewart's Cheshire Winslow. In 1983 Winslow was number one amongst all hound breeds and in 1984 won the hound group at Westminster.[/caption]

Reynolds’ most famous dog was Ch. Mr Stewart's Cheshire Winslow.

“He hunted pretty good and he was a reasonably good stud dog,” Reynolds quipped, “but he was a really good show dog. He was the top of all hound breeds in 1983, won the Quaker oats award for the top winning hound, and then he kind of walked out of Westminster in 1984 with the hound group. So having done that, we figured that we were duty bound to get him back to the hunt field the following morning. So he won the group at Westminster on Tuesday night, and hunted Fox from horseback on Wednesday morning.”

Reynold’s wry, self-deprecating humor is a treasure to the dog community. Enjoy this episode and join us next week for our conversation on terriers.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Richard Reynolds on Foxhounds and Favors</h1>
[caption id="attachment_8383" align="alignleft" width="300"] "Westminster 1977. BoV under Peter Knoop was 13" Ch. Englandale's Crestwood Star. I sold her as a pet, but her owner believed that she could do anything and pushed me to show her. She not only finished her title, and won the variety at "the World Series of Dogdom", she also had several obedience titles."[/caption]

Richard Reynolds is joining us today. This is the first part of a two-part episode. We're going to talk about rat hunting and foxhounds and all kinds of fabulous historical stuff, because he is a brain trust of all things history in purebred dogs.

Reynolds said his involvement in purebred dogs “started from a National Geographic magazine. I was a young lad in his early teens and I came upon a National Geographic magazine that had an article Westminster, the World Series of Dogs” circa 1949.

“All of my colleagues had Playboy magazine hidden under their mattresses and I had National Geographic,” Reynolds said, “not for the same purpose of course.”

Reynolds said he acquired his first Beagle “for the princely sum of $35 from a gentleman who hunted them and, as they say, the rest was history.

[caption id="attachment_8387" align="alignright" width="300"]<img class="wp-image-8387 size-medium" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/71012110_10211661744299627_3497217828468031488_o-300x238.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="238" /> "The hound was Mr. Stewart's Cheshire Federal, a gift to me from Nancy Penn Smith Hannum, MFH. There weren't any other AKC English Foxhounds around, so we finished him the hard way...by winning groups. I believe he was the second AKC Ch. English Foxhound."[/caption]

“The first Beagle fell somewhat short of being a show dog, but the next one was a show dog. It cost a great deal more than $35, although I'm not sure it was worth much more. That kind of got me started with the dog showing thing.”

Reynolds' focus has always been on preserving breed type through concentration on performance ability. He was a Master of Foxhounds with the only dual registry recognized hunting pack. His Old English hounds won a group at Westminster, many Bests in Show, many Large Pack classes at hound shows and the occasional Grand Championship.

[caption id="attachment_8384" align="alignleft" width="300"]<img class="wp-image-8384 size-medium" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/13909392_10204931320243232_3449516448466078489_o-300x206.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="206" /> "These were my hounds in the Five Couple class at the Virginia Hound Show some years ago," Renolds noted on social media.[/caption]

Most important, Reynolds noted, each hound hunted a regular three day a week schedule.

Comparing the English and American Foxhounds, Reynolds notes, “The old English Foxhound is heavier, larger. Level top line. Picture, if you will, a bulldozer on feet. The American foxhound is lighter, leggier, has a slight rise over the loin to give it speed. It's of course descended from the English Foxhound, but it's not exactly the same.

[caption id="attachment_8386" align="alignright" width="300"]<img class="wp-image-8386 size-medium" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/26756484_10208083777172685_8770113295062197242_o-300x209.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="209" /> "When one is a visitor, hunting with another recognized pack, it is courteous to wear a black coat rather than scarlet with your home hunt colors. This was on such an occasion with my ex-three day eventer, Eastwick."[/caption]

"They both have their purposes and, like all of the hounds and terriers, that purpose is directly related to the country, the land where the dog hunts and works. American foxhounds are suited to the wide open spaces in the United States and the English are suited to the Gorse hedges and stone walls and whatever of England. We found them very useful in Pennsylvania where I'm at because we have a wonderful agricultural phenomenon known as the multiflora rose.”

[caption id="attachment_8385" align="alignleft" width="300"]<img class="size-medium wp-image-8385" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/12484730_10203773760424960_4959599046274722101_o-300x237.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="237" /> Ch. Mr. Stewart's Cheshire Winslow. In 1983 Winslow was number one amongst all hound breeds and in 1984 won the hound group at Westminster.[/caption]

Reynolds’ most famous dog was Ch. Mr Stewart's Cheshire Winslow.

“He hunted pretty good and he was a reasonably good stud dog,” Reynolds quipped, “but he was a really good show dog. He was the top of all hound breeds in 1983, won the Quaker oats award for the top winning hound, and then he kind of walked out of Westminster in 1984 with the hound group. So having done that, we figured that we were duty bound to get him back to the hunt field the following morning. So he won the group at Westminster on Tuesday night, and hunted Fox from horseback on Wednesday morning.”

Reynold’s wry, self-deprecating humor is a treasure to the dog community. Enjoy this episode and join us next week for our conversation on terriers.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/437-richard-reynolds-on-foxhounds-and-favors]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">5c3c5c4d-5027-4d35-9d7d-56d3529cff4e</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2020 09:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/0044228c-0ee7-488a-9149-e1e1af503d58/richard-reynolds-part-1.mp3" length="23883801" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>24:53</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>438 – Richard Reynolds – Rat Hunter of Manhattan</title><itunes:title>438 – Richard Reynolds – Rat Hunter of Manhattan</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Richard Reynolds – Rat Hunter of Manhattan</h1><p>Richard Reynolds joins me for part two of our conversation. This time we’re talking rat hunting with Terriers in New York City.</p><p>[caption id="attachment_8391" align="alignleft" width="224"] Richard Reynolds with a Jagd Terrier, shown in FSS at Open Shows.[/caption]</p><p>“Quite fairly there was never a transition (from hounds to terriers),” Reynolds said. “I was always interested in hunting the terriers. We don't have as many Fox in the United States as they do in England … and you had to work a little harder. Bringing up the terriers and putting the terriers to ground was always a part of our Fox hunt.</p><p>“When I left the pack, I wanted a purebred terrier that I could show. Somebody slipped me into a low mileage used Norfolk terrier and that suited me pretty good. But I didn't know whether it could hunt or not. A few years later and a little experience and a few Norfolks later, we proved they were damn good hunters. In fact, the best terrier that I've ever had to this day remains one particular Norfolk.”</p><p>Reynolds’ rise to fame as the Rat Hunter of Manhattan started at a dog show in Liberty Park at the base of the Statue of Liberty. Rats had overrun one of the handlers’ setups and he turned his Norfolk loose to do its job. The park superintendent happened to see this feat. The rest, as they say, is history.</p><p>[caption id="attachment_8390" align="alignright" width="240"]<img src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/21743554_10207429518376624_5152109160253927660_o-240x300.jpg" height="300" width="240"> Jagd Terrier with Reynolds and one less rat on the streets of Manhattan.[/caption]</p><p>“If I tell you that my dog is a good rat catcher, you won't care,” Reynolds opined. “If a rat is headed to run up your pant leg and my dog stops it, you'll have a lot of respect for that fuzzy little critter down there. So that's exactly the way we're trying to make our point.</p><p>“We’re all about an idea. That idea is preserving breed type through maintaining the actual function of the dog. You can simulate all these things but you can't replicate the actual deed of hunting or ratting or whatever. It's different. It's about the dogs but don't tell anybody because we get an awful lot of good press on the fact that we're killing rats.</p><p>“We can't show purebred dogs to the media. They don't care. Dead rats are a big seller. We have media with us (nearly) every night that we go out. We've had a lot of media. But that's our little way of selling purebred dogs to the public.</p><p>“We're doing it for the sake of the dogs. There's no money here. All sport is ruined as soon as you monetize it. So we don't charge to hunt. Our members occasionally cough up $5 each time they hunt, but more often than not they forget to pay it and we forget to collect it. So it's kind of a thing for the dogs, by the dogs and of the dogs. A good night is when the dogs work well together. A bad night is when we don't get anything.”</p><p>Reynolds has been instrumental in setting up a training ground in southern New Jersey. The primary purpose of which is running AKC earthdog tests.</p><p>“We use it as a basic training ground for terriers and dachshunds,” Reynolds noted. “It's not the same thing (as street hunting). Once they get through the earth dog program there's a lot of on the job training but it's a starting point. The sport of AKC earthdog or den trials or Jack Russell terrier Association go to ground is kind of diminished in recent years. We use it for training Street dogs but really what we're trying to do is rejuvenate this sport in and of itself of earth dogs and den trials.”</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Richard Reynolds – Rat Hunter of Manhattan</h1><p>Richard Reynolds joins me for part two of our conversation. This time we’re talking rat hunting with Terriers in New York City.</p><p>[caption id="attachment_8391" align="alignleft" width="224"] Richard Reynolds with a Jagd Terrier, shown in FSS at Open Shows.[/caption]</p><p>“Quite fairly there was never a transition (from hounds to terriers),” Reynolds said. “I was always interested in hunting the terriers. We don't have as many Fox in the United States as they do in England … and you had to work a little harder. Bringing up the terriers and putting the terriers to ground was always a part of our Fox hunt.</p><p>“When I left the pack, I wanted a purebred terrier that I could show. Somebody slipped me into a low mileage used Norfolk terrier and that suited me pretty good. But I didn't know whether it could hunt or not. A few years later and a little experience and a few Norfolks later, we proved they were damn good hunters. In fact, the best terrier that I've ever had to this day remains one particular Norfolk.”</p><p>Reynolds’ rise to fame as the Rat Hunter of Manhattan started at a dog show in Liberty Park at the base of the Statue of Liberty. Rats had overrun one of the handlers’ setups and he turned his Norfolk loose to do its job. The park superintendent happened to see this feat. The rest, as they say, is history.</p><p>[caption id="attachment_8390" align="alignright" width="240"]<img src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/21743554_10207429518376624_5152109160253927660_o-240x300.jpg" height="300" width="240"> Jagd Terrier with Reynolds and one less rat on the streets of Manhattan.[/caption]</p><p>“If I tell you that my dog is a good rat catcher, you won't care,” Reynolds opined. “If a rat is headed to run up your pant leg and my dog stops it, you'll have a lot of respect for that fuzzy little critter down there. So that's exactly the way we're trying to make our point.</p><p>“We’re all about an idea. That idea is preserving breed type through maintaining the actual function of the dog. You can simulate all these things but you can't replicate the actual deed of hunting or ratting or whatever. It's different. It's about the dogs but don't tell anybody because we get an awful lot of good press on the fact that we're killing rats.</p><p>“We can't show purebred dogs to the media. They don't care. Dead rats are a big seller. We have media with us (nearly) every night that we go out. We've had a lot of media. But that's our little way of selling purebred dogs to the public.</p><p>“We're doing it for the sake of the dogs. There's no money here. All sport is ruined as soon as you monetize it. So we don't charge to hunt. Our members occasionally cough up $5 each time they hunt, but more often than not they forget to pay it and we forget to collect it. So it's kind of a thing for the dogs, by the dogs and of the dogs. A good night is when the dogs work well together. A bad night is when we don't get anything.”</p><p>Reynolds has been instrumental in setting up a training ground in southern New Jersey. The primary purpose of which is running AKC earthdog tests.</p><p>“We use it as a basic training ground for terriers and dachshunds,” Reynolds noted. “It's not the same thing (as street hunting). Once they get through the earth dog program there's a lot of on the job training but it's a starting point. The sport of AKC earthdog or den trials or Jack Russell terrier Association go to ground is kind of diminished in recent years. We use it for training Street dogs but really what we're trying to do is rejuvenate this sport in and of itself of earth dogs and den trials.”</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/438-richard-reynolds-rat-hunter-of-manhattan]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">db43b4eb-76c6-488b-875d-141e47150a7e</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2020 09:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/e4ff3bce-f2ca-47a3-bea3-c55151943252/richard-reynolds-part-2.mp3" length="24644904" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>25:40</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>474 – Dreaming of Dual Dogs: Rush Hill Golden Retrievers</title><itunes:title>474 – Dreaming of Dual Dogs: Rush Hill Golden Retrievers</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p><br></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><br></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/474-dreaming-of-dual-dogs-rush-hill-golden-retrievers]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">9099a129-2230-4792-a6ce-4513d4e02809</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/570a9383-4bfa-483b-bbbc-f4f06ab407d0/tonya-and-dual-dogs.mp3" length="28339721" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>29:31</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>472 — Linda Riedel: International Dog Shows and 50 Years of Dogs</title><itunes:title>472 -- Linda Riedel: International Dog Shows and 50 Years of Dogs</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Linda Riedel: International Dog Shows and the Secrets of 180 Champions</h1><p><strong>Linda Riedel</strong>, AKC judge and breeder of Ramblewood English Springer Spaniels, joins host Laura Reeves for a free-wheeling conversation about IABCA dog shows and her journey to 180 champions.</p><p>A few excerpts follow below.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><h2>On International dog shows</h2><p>I really like that it in this Covid time, (<a href="https://www.iabca.com/" target="_blank"><strong><em><u>IABCA</u></em></strong></a>) shows have been great for people to get their dogs out, which they haven't been able to do. We used to have all-breed matches that were huge. I can remember in California they’d get up to 2,000 dogs in a match. That's where you’d train your dog. Well that doesn't happen anymore, so these International shows are very good for the beginning person, for people who need to get their dogs trained and out and exposed to all kinds of people and other dogs. So, it works out well.</p><p>I mean there were people that were at matches all the time. It was like a professional match circuit. We don't have those anymore and it's a great loss. And that's where I see something like this sort of filling in.</p><p>In terms of getting your dog in the ring, getting yourself in the ring, if you're just learning how to show your dog, you have so many chances. You could be in the ring 6 or 8 times in one day.</p><p>(Exhibitors) find out we (judges) are humans, just like them, and can carry on a conversation. They get a lot more relaxed and enjoy their day and enjoy their dogs.</p><p>(Writing and receiving critiques of the dogs) helps people breed better dogs and educate better judging.</p><p>It's a two way street, both for the exhibitor and the judge. You know too many exhibitors are too terrified with all the time (constraints) and everything else, they say to the judge ‘why did I not win today’ and the judge pops out and says ‘well I like the other dog better.’ That is not a reason.</p><h2>411...</h2><p>Reidel started in dogs working for the famous <a href="http://www.thedogplace.org/BREEDS/Akita/Harrell-Liz-InMemory.asp" target="_blank"><strong><em><u>Akita Tani</u></em></strong></a> kennel winding up as a teenaged advisor to the stars helping train Akitas purchased by Hollywood’s glitterati.</p><h2>On 50 years of breeding</h2><ul><li>Never kept more than 8 dogs at a time.</li><li>Nobody’s more critical of my dogs than I am. I'm not taken in by their cuteness.</li><li>Line breed heavily to set type.</li><li>Retirement homes -- Time for them to find a couch they can sit for the rest of their lives.</li><li>Breeder of the most titled dog in the history of the breed and the top performance dog of the year.</li></ul><br/><blockquote>Hear ALL of this fabulous conversation by clicking the "play" arrow on the podcast bar above.</blockquote>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Linda Riedel: International Dog Shows and the Secrets of 180 Champions</h1><p><strong>Linda Riedel</strong>, AKC judge and breeder of Ramblewood English Springer Spaniels, joins host Laura Reeves for a free-wheeling conversation about IABCA dog shows and her journey to 180 champions.</p><p>A few excerpts follow below.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><h2>On International dog shows</h2><p>I really like that it in this Covid time, (<a href="https://www.iabca.com/" target="_blank"><strong><em><u>IABCA</u></em></strong></a>) shows have been great for people to get their dogs out, which they haven't been able to do. We used to have all-breed matches that were huge. I can remember in California they’d get up to 2,000 dogs in a match. That's where you’d train your dog. Well that doesn't happen anymore, so these International shows are very good for the beginning person, for people who need to get their dogs trained and out and exposed to all kinds of people and other dogs. So, it works out well.</p><p>I mean there were people that were at matches all the time. It was like a professional match circuit. We don't have those anymore and it's a great loss. And that's where I see something like this sort of filling in.</p><p>In terms of getting your dog in the ring, getting yourself in the ring, if you're just learning how to show your dog, you have so many chances. You could be in the ring 6 or 8 times in one day.</p><p>(Exhibitors) find out we (judges) are humans, just like them, and can carry on a conversation. They get a lot more relaxed and enjoy their day and enjoy their dogs.</p><p>(Writing and receiving critiques of the dogs) helps people breed better dogs and educate better judging.</p><p>It's a two way street, both for the exhibitor and the judge. You know too many exhibitors are too terrified with all the time (constraints) and everything else, they say to the judge ‘why did I not win today’ and the judge pops out and says ‘well I like the other dog better.’ That is not a reason.</p><h2>411...</h2><p>Reidel started in dogs working for the famous <a href="http://www.thedogplace.org/BREEDS/Akita/Harrell-Liz-InMemory.asp" target="_blank"><strong><em><u>Akita Tani</u></em></strong></a> kennel winding up as a teenaged advisor to the stars helping train Akitas purchased by Hollywood’s glitterati.</p><h2>On 50 years of breeding</h2><ul><li>Never kept more than 8 dogs at a time.</li><li>Nobody’s more critical of my dogs than I am. I'm not taken in by their cuteness.</li><li>Line breed heavily to set type.</li><li>Retirement homes -- Time for them to find a couch they can sit for the rest of their lives.</li><li>Breeder of the most titled dog in the history of the breed and the top performance dog of the year.</li></ul><br/><blockquote>Hear ALL of this fabulous conversation by clicking the "play" arrow on the podcast bar above.</blockquote>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/472-linda-riedel-international-dog-shows-and-50-years-of-dogs]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">2dc14a4a-699f-458f-89d4-0fb46975eb61</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2021 09:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/6146e0d3-5e83-4f93-ab55-945fa0189846/linda-ridell.mp3" length="31276302" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>32:35</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>477 — Bryan Martin: “Basset Boy,” the Early Years</title><itunes:title>477 -- Bryan Martin: “Bassett Boy,&quot; the Early Years</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Bryan Martin: “Basset Boy," the Early Years</h1><p>Bryan Martin, retired professional handler, former AKC executive field representative and new judge of the hound group joins host Laura Reeves for part one of a wide ranging, fascinating conversation.</p><p>World famous for his work with Basset Hounds, Martin shares his early history growing up in the sport with his family and early mentors.</p><p>“I was six years old in 1960 when we went to a fun match for the Fort Dearborn Basset Hound club,” Martin said. His mother had saved up her grocery money to purchase a Basset Hound bitch who was bred to a local stud dog. They brought the puppies to the match and didn’t win anything. A club member after watching the family, approached his father with an offer he couldn’t resist.</p><p>[caption id="attachment_8558" align="alignright" width="300"]<img src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/541977_102858103186879_841759783_n-300x218.jpg" height="218" width="300"> "My Three Sons" taken at the 2006 BHCA Nationals. The ONLY time the top three, all-time Best in Show winning Basset Hounds competed at the same show! L-R Ch Deerhill's Great Gatsby, 52 all-breed bests, Ch Topsfield Bumper Cars, 45 all-breed bests and Ch Topsfield Beethoven, 34 all-breed bests, 131 in total! -- Bryan Martin[/caption]</p><p>“She said, ‘You know, your puppies, they're not good. If you like to do this, I suggest you just sell the whole lot and come out to my kennel and I'll take care of you.’ So, we did. We went out to this kennel and she said, ‘I think this is a good bitch for you. This will be a good foundation bitch for you and I'll give you a buddy for her and the kids can work on that one.’</p><p>“We bred a litter about every year and so I got to show all the class dogs. My brother, Peter, was the Prince and he always got the specials dogs. He didn't mess with the class dogs. But that was to my advantage, because I got to learn that you never show two dogs the same way. Like people, they all have a different personality and they all respond differently to what you do and so you work on adjustments.</p><p>“The living room (in our house) was big enough that we could move all the furniture to the side and put the couch in the middle and we had a dog show ring. We would practice dog shows. My father would either sit in the corner or on the couch in the middle. We put a mirror on the floor against the couch and we'd learn to set up our dogs in front of the mirror, to see what the judge was seeing. So if you had to poke him in the top line or to hold the tail different or whatever you could see it and that was my learning on how to show the breed."</p><p>From secretary for horse shows just out of college to marrying Nancy, through showing record-breaking dogs for<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/captivate-podcast/168-breeder-education-advocate-claudia-orlandi-shares-knowledge/" target="_blank"> Claudia Orlandi</a>, Martin’s journey through the sport of dogs and his nuggets of knowledge are priceless.</p><p>Listen to part one here and join us next week for part two.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Bryan Martin: “Basset Boy," the Early Years</h1><p>Bryan Martin, retired professional handler, former AKC executive field representative and new judge of the hound group joins host Laura Reeves for part one of a wide ranging, fascinating conversation.</p><p>World famous for his work with Basset Hounds, Martin shares his early history growing up in the sport with his family and early mentors.</p><p>“I was six years old in 1960 when we went to a fun match for the Fort Dearborn Basset Hound club,” Martin said. His mother had saved up her grocery money to purchase a Basset Hound bitch who was bred to a local stud dog. They brought the puppies to the match and didn’t win anything. A club member after watching the family, approached his father with an offer he couldn’t resist.</p><p>[caption id="attachment_8558" align="alignright" width="300"]<img src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/541977_102858103186879_841759783_n-300x218.jpg" height="218" width="300"> "My Three Sons" taken at the 2006 BHCA Nationals. The ONLY time the top three, all-time Best in Show winning Basset Hounds competed at the same show! L-R Ch Deerhill's Great Gatsby, 52 all-breed bests, Ch Topsfield Bumper Cars, 45 all-breed bests and Ch Topsfield Beethoven, 34 all-breed bests, 131 in total! -- Bryan Martin[/caption]</p><p>“She said, ‘You know, your puppies, they're not good. If you like to do this, I suggest you just sell the whole lot and come out to my kennel and I'll take care of you.’ So, we did. We went out to this kennel and she said, ‘I think this is a good bitch for you. This will be a good foundation bitch for you and I'll give you a buddy for her and the kids can work on that one.’</p><p>“We bred a litter about every year and so I got to show all the class dogs. My brother, Peter, was the Prince and he always got the specials dogs. He didn't mess with the class dogs. But that was to my advantage, because I got to learn that you never show two dogs the same way. Like people, they all have a different personality and they all respond differently to what you do and so you work on adjustments.</p><p>“The living room (in our house) was big enough that we could move all the furniture to the side and put the couch in the middle and we had a dog show ring. We would practice dog shows. My father would either sit in the corner or on the couch in the middle. We put a mirror on the floor against the couch and we'd learn to set up our dogs in front of the mirror, to see what the judge was seeing. So if you had to poke him in the top line or to hold the tail different or whatever you could see it and that was my learning on how to show the breed."</p><p>From secretary for horse shows just out of college to marrying Nancy, through showing record-breaking dogs for<a href="https://puredogtalk.com/captivate-podcast/168-breeder-education-advocate-claudia-orlandi-shares-knowledge/" target="_blank"> Claudia Orlandi</a>, Martin’s journey through the sport of dogs and his nuggets of knowledge are priceless.</p><p>Listen to part one here and join us next week for part two.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/477-bryan-martin-basset-boy-the-early-years]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">19b76286-34d9-4074-b76a-26c2ba031c52</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2021 09:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/cd1b83ac-715e-4bcc-ac8e-8e13e6ff816b/bryan-part-1.mp3" length="33532864" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>34:56</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>478 — Bryan Martin: Read Your Standard and Dream BIS Line up</title><itunes:title>478 -- Bryan Martin: Read Your Standard and Dream BIS Line up</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Bryan Martin: Read Your Standard and Dream BIS Line up</h1><p>Bryan Martin, retired professional handler, former AKC executive field representative and newly minted Hound group judge joins host Laura Reeves for part two of his amazing stories and advice for exhibitors.</p><p>“My family would have dinner (and) during dessert, the book of standards came on the table. We had weekly discussions. ‘OK let's talk about heads tonight.’ We'd go round the table and everyone would say something and ‘OK who do you think has a good head? Who do you think has a bad head? Do you have a picture? Go get a picture.’ One night we’d talk about shoulders and why the shoulder needs to be a wrap-around, why the shoulder needs to be well laid back, why the shoulder blade and the upper arm have to be the same length, to make it a proper working hound, how the back end has to match the front end… How the pieces fit. It's form and function, which has stuck with me forever, and that's my basis is form and function judging.</p><p>“It's amazing how many people in AKC, UKC … have no understanding how to read a standard. How to interpret a standard and how to go to somebody and talk to somebody about the standard. The how’s why’s and wherefores of studying standards. At the International show where we had to write a critique, we had to know the standards. What I ended up doing was showing people what the standard says about their dog. And they say ‘oh, I didn't know that’ and it's a whole educational program that is missed.”</p><p>In the “Dream Best In Show Lineup” game, Martin’s choices were:</p><blockquote>Sporting – English Springer Spaniel, Ch Salilyn's Aristocrat</blockquote><blockquote>Hound – Afghan Hound, Ch Triumph Of Grandeur</blockquote><blockquote>Working – Doberman Pinscher, Ch. Brunswig's Cryptonite</blockquote><blockquote>Terrier – Scottish Terrier, Ch. Braeburn's Close Encounter</blockquote><blockquote>Toy – Japanese Chin, GCh. Pem We-Syng Lucky MI</blockquote><blockquote>Non-Sporting – Dalmatian, Ch. Spotlight’s Spectacular</blockquote><blockquote>Herding – German Shepherd Dog, GCh. Altana's Mystique</blockquote><p>Finally, Best in Show in this mythical lineup??</p><p>Shannon, the Scottish Terrier, shown by George Ward.</p><p>Listen above to hear all of this and more.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Bryan Martin: Read Your Standard and Dream BIS Line up</h1><p>Bryan Martin, retired professional handler, former AKC executive field representative and newly minted Hound group judge joins host Laura Reeves for part two of his amazing stories and advice for exhibitors.</p><p>“My family would have dinner (and) during dessert, the book of standards came on the table. We had weekly discussions. ‘OK let's talk about heads tonight.’ We'd go round the table and everyone would say something and ‘OK who do you think has a good head? Who do you think has a bad head? Do you have a picture? Go get a picture.’ One night we’d talk about shoulders and why the shoulder needs to be a wrap-around, why the shoulder needs to be well laid back, why the shoulder blade and the upper arm have to be the same length, to make it a proper working hound, how the back end has to match the front end… How the pieces fit. It's form and function, which has stuck with me forever, and that's my basis is form and function judging.</p><p>“It's amazing how many people in AKC, UKC … have no understanding how to read a standard. How to interpret a standard and how to go to somebody and talk to somebody about the standard. The how’s why’s and wherefores of studying standards. At the International show where we had to write a critique, we had to know the standards. What I ended up doing was showing people what the standard says about their dog. And they say ‘oh, I didn't know that’ and it's a whole educational program that is missed.”</p><p>In the “Dream Best In Show Lineup” game, Martin’s choices were:</p><blockquote>Sporting – English Springer Spaniel, Ch Salilyn's Aristocrat</blockquote><blockquote>Hound – Afghan Hound, Ch Triumph Of Grandeur</blockquote><blockquote>Working – Doberman Pinscher, Ch. Brunswig's Cryptonite</blockquote><blockquote>Terrier – Scottish Terrier, Ch. Braeburn's Close Encounter</blockquote><blockquote>Toy – Japanese Chin, GCh. Pem We-Syng Lucky MI</blockquote><blockquote>Non-Sporting – Dalmatian, Ch. Spotlight’s Spectacular</blockquote><blockquote>Herding – German Shepherd Dog, GCh. Altana's Mystique</blockquote><p>Finally, Best in Show in this mythical lineup??</p><p>Shannon, the Scottish Terrier, shown by George Ward.</p><p>Listen above to hear all of this and more.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/478-bryan-martin-read-your-standard-and-dream-bis-line-up]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">762cde9b-b752-4504-b877-dae38265c7b5</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2021 09:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/a5226e40-0ebe-4383-8149-d009810b6dfa/bryan-part-2.mp3" length="25290709" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>26:21</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>486 -- Wayne Cavanaugh: the “Total Dog” Man</title><itunes:title>486 -- Wayne Cavanaugh: the “Total Dog” Man</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p><br></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><br></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/486-wayne-cavanaugh-the-total-dog-man]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">ad626ef6-20b6-4acc-a1d3-626880f3cc3e</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2021 09:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/2b9c0fad-009b-4fa9-943a-ce1cb7d060b5/wayne-part-1.mp3" length="26208965" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>27:18</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>487 -- Cavanaugh on Collaboration, Change and Carrots</title><itunes:title>487 -- Cavanaugh on Collaboration, Change and Carrots</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p><br></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><br></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/487-cavanaugh-on-collaboration-change-and-carrots]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">054097a4-f249-4e99-8464-9944b67065b2</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2021 09:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/76350a66-894a-4744-a2e1-1b6d4f581b7b/wayne-part-2.mp3" length="28464691" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>29:39</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>489 – Lorraine Bisso on the Irish Setter: “most beautiful of all dogs”</title><itunes:title>489 – Lorraine Bisso on the Irish Setter: “most beautiful of all dogs”</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Lorraine Bisso on the Irish Setter: “most beautiful of all dogs”</h1><p>AKC judge and Irish Setter breeder Lorraine Bisso shares her passion for the breed with host Laura Reeves.</p><p>“The standard tells you that it's termed by artists, the most beautiful of all dogs,” Bisso said. “I tell people when I do judge’s education, when the dog walks in the ring, if your heart doesn't skip a beat by the beautiful color, the symmetry, the silhouette, before you even get to know the dog, then something is missing. In this beautiful, drop-dead gorgeous dog beats a soul not to be matched. He would give his life for you. He also cheats at cards.”</p><p>Bisso has been involved with Irish Setters for more than 50 years and brings us a little myth busting.</p><p>“They are smart,” Bisso said. “That's something that's very misunderstood in this breed. They earned a reputation at one point for not being smart… they are very&nbsp;creative and often the problem is that they are one step ahead of their owners.</p><p>"Irish setters do not like to do things over and over and over again. They will go from point A to point B quite willingly several times. Then they will decide to take the scenic route. When they get to point B, they're really mystified as to why you are upset. They got there, they just took the scenic route. It's a charming part of the breed.</p><p>“The standard describes a hunting dog. When you judge them, you should keep in mind that singular point. They are the most beautiful of all dogs and they are bred to hunt. Everything in the standard relates to those twin elements of type, shall we say. They have to be beautiful, but they also must be the active gundog that the standard talks about. That's the reason for the feet, the tail set, the proportions. the bite, the head, the eye. Everything in that standard is about a working gun dog and as you judge the breed, you should keep that in mind.</p><p>“Irish Setters are a single coated breed. Their coat is designed to have things come out if you brush them. Again, our standard calls for a “pleasing fringe of hair.” It does not call for a foot of hair, it calls for pleasing fringe. While we all love the beautiful show coats, don't get me wrong on this, I’m a sucker for the full on press, all you really need is the pleasing fringe. So again I tell judges, do not walk past a dog because you don’t think that he has quote enough hair. If it's good hair and it's the right quality and it's the right color then you're good to go.”</p><p>Tune in next week for more from Lorraine Bisso and hear all about the history and excitement at this year’s Morris and Essex dog show.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Lorraine Bisso on the Irish Setter: “most beautiful of all dogs”</h1><p>AKC judge and Irish Setter breeder Lorraine Bisso shares her passion for the breed with host Laura Reeves.</p><p>“The standard tells you that it's termed by artists, the most beautiful of all dogs,” Bisso said. “I tell people when I do judge’s education, when the dog walks in the ring, if your heart doesn't skip a beat by the beautiful color, the symmetry, the silhouette, before you even get to know the dog, then something is missing. In this beautiful, drop-dead gorgeous dog beats a soul not to be matched. He would give his life for you. He also cheats at cards.”</p><p>Bisso has been involved with Irish Setters for more than 50 years and brings us a little myth busting.</p><p>“They are smart,” Bisso said. “That's something that's very misunderstood in this breed. They earned a reputation at one point for not being smart… they are very&nbsp;creative and often the problem is that they are one step ahead of their owners.</p><p>"Irish setters do not like to do things over and over and over again. They will go from point A to point B quite willingly several times. Then they will decide to take the scenic route. When they get to point B, they're really mystified as to why you are upset. They got there, they just took the scenic route. It's a charming part of the breed.</p><p>“The standard describes a hunting dog. When you judge them, you should keep in mind that singular point. They are the most beautiful of all dogs and they are bred to hunt. Everything in the standard relates to those twin elements of type, shall we say. They have to be beautiful, but they also must be the active gundog that the standard talks about. That's the reason for the feet, the tail set, the proportions. the bite, the head, the eye. Everything in that standard is about a working gun dog and as you judge the breed, you should keep that in mind.</p><p>“Irish Setters are a single coated breed. Their coat is designed to have things come out if you brush them. Again, our standard calls for a “pleasing fringe of hair.” It does not call for a foot of hair, it calls for pleasing fringe. While we all love the beautiful show coats, don't get me wrong on this, I’m a sucker for the full on press, all you really need is the pleasing fringe. So again I tell judges, do not walk past a dog because you don’t think that he has quote enough hair. If it's good hair and it's the right quality and it's the right color then you're good to go.”</p><p>Tune in next week for more from Lorraine Bisso and hear all about the history and excitement at this year’s Morris and Essex dog show.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/489-lorraine-bisso-on-the-irish-setter-most-beautiful-of-all-dogs]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">636613c2-4202-4de0-93e7-9930d90fae4f</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2021 09:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/9283beab-36d5-4605-bf8b-7240b5de9654/lorraine-part-1.mp3" length="29130082" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>30:21</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>503 – Examining the History of Sighthounds with Bo Bengtson</title><itunes:title>503 – Examining the History of Sighthounds with Bo Bengtson</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Examining the History of Sighthounds with Bo Bengtson</h1>
Bo <span style="color: #000000">Bengtson</span>, author, publisher and Whippet breeder, attended his first dog show in 1958 in his native Sweden. He joins host Laura Reeves for a deep dive into the intricacies of sighthounds.

“It was, right away, like lightning struck,” <span style="color: #000000">Bengtson</span> said. “I was 14 years old and I just knew right away that this was what I wanted to devote my life to. It was really fascinating. It was, as someone once said, a combination of zoo and circus and theater …
<h2>A passion for sighthounds</h2>
“You have to know a little bit about coursing if you're involved in sighthounds. They have remained the same for thousands of years, the basic type. They weren't breeds early on but different types of sighthounds. if you look at the early description of coursing which is the pursuit of game with sighthounds … that is a sport that's now these days illegal in most of US… It's been superseded by lure coursing, which is an artificial form of coursing.

[caption id="attachment_8665" align="alignleft" width="372"] "Hunters Homeward Bound," 10th Century AD. Courtesy of Bo Bengston.[/caption]

“(Sighthounds developed) before firearms basically, when the only way you had to hunt was through the dogs and whatever they could course and kill was basically today's dinner. Firearms made sighthounds very much superfluous. And I think the sport then became very much a status symbol. (Sighthounds) are of course aesthetically pleasing and so many rich people and aristocratic people preferred to hunt with sighthounds, not because of need but because it was a beautiful spectacle and pretty expensive spectacle too. In various parts of the world, Queen Elizabeth I was very fond of coursing. In Russia they coursed with Borzoi. And in the Far East there were Salukis.
<h2>What IS a Sighthound?</h2>
“There is no official definition of what a sighthound is. So there is a great disagreement about what breeds actually count as sighthounds. You can count as few as four or five as pure sighthounds and as many as 40 as “sighthound related” or different types of breeds we don’t know in this country. Some we wouldn’t define as breeds but more as types.

(Listen to fascinating conversations about the Caravan Hounds of India <strong><em><u><a href="https://puredogtalk.com/podcast/422-exploring-the-caravan-hounds-of-india/">here</a></u></em></strong> and <strong><em><u><a href="https://puredogtalk.com/podcast/420-living-history-on-the-silk-road-asiatic-sighthounds/">here</a></u></em></strong>.)
<h2>History of sighthound development</h2>
“I think we have to go back again a couple of thousand years because there have probably always been different sizes of greyhounds. Greyhound types. The big ones which were the ancestor of the modern greyhound. And we have the different, smaller ones that were ancestors of whippet and the Italian greyhounds. I think that Whippets, although they weren't  described as a breed until late 1800s, they have certainly been around much longer. Catherine the Great of Russia had little English greyhounds she called them. And they were very important to her. She nursed them herself and they slept on a pink couch in her bedroom. But whether they’re Italian greyhounds, whether they were whippet, who knows. I mean they were very small and whether Italian greyhounds or whippets, it is kind of irrelevant these days.

“The Greyhound and the Saluki are sort of the “ur” sighthound, what sighthounds are supposed to be like. … if you take one step away from Saluki you get the Afghan Hound, which is a little more powerful. If you take several steps away from the Greyhound, you get the Ibizan Hound and you get the Portuguese Podengo and that kind of thing.”

Listen to the full episode for more detailed insights into all things sighthound.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Examining the History of Sighthounds with Bo Bengtson</h1>
Bo <span style="color: #000000">Bengtson</span>, author, publisher and Whippet breeder, attended his first dog show in 1958 in his native Sweden. He joins host Laura Reeves for a deep dive into the intricacies of sighthounds.

“It was, right away, like lightning struck,” <span style="color: #000000">Bengtson</span> said. “I was 14 years old and I just knew right away that this was what I wanted to devote my life to. It was really fascinating. It was, as someone once said, a combination of zoo and circus and theater …
<h2>A passion for sighthounds</h2>
“You have to know a little bit about coursing if you're involved in sighthounds. They have remained the same for thousands of years, the basic type. They weren't breeds early on but different types of sighthounds. if you look at the early description of coursing which is the pursuit of game with sighthounds … that is a sport that's now these days illegal in most of US… It's been superseded by lure coursing, which is an artificial form of coursing.

[caption id="attachment_8665" align="alignleft" width="372"] "Hunters Homeward Bound," 10th Century AD. Courtesy of Bo Bengston.[/caption]

“(Sighthounds developed) before firearms basically, when the only way you had to hunt was through the dogs and whatever they could course and kill was basically today's dinner. Firearms made sighthounds very much superfluous. And I think the sport then became very much a status symbol. (Sighthounds) are of course aesthetically pleasing and so many rich people and aristocratic people preferred to hunt with sighthounds, not because of need but because it was a beautiful spectacle and pretty expensive spectacle too. In various parts of the world, Queen Elizabeth I was very fond of coursing. In Russia they coursed with Borzoi. And in the Far East there were Salukis.
<h2>What IS a Sighthound?</h2>
“There is no official definition of what a sighthound is. So there is a great disagreement about what breeds actually count as sighthounds. You can count as few as four or five as pure sighthounds and as many as 40 as “sighthound related” or different types of breeds we don’t know in this country. Some we wouldn’t define as breeds but more as types.

(Listen to fascinating conversations about the Caravan Hounds of India <strong><em><u><a href="https://puredogtalk.com/podcast/422-exploring-the-caravan-hounds-of-india/">here</a></u></em></strong> and <strong><em><u><a href="https://puredogtalk.com/podcast/420-living-history-on-the-silk-road-asiatic-sighthounds/">here</a></u></em></strong>.)
<h2>History of sighthound development</h2>
“I think we have to go back again a couple of thousand years because there have probably always been different sizes of greyhounds. Greyhound types. The big ones which were the ancestor of the modern greyhound. And we have the different, smaller ones that were ancestors of whippet and the Italian greyhounds. I think that Whippets, although they weren't  described as a breed until late 1800s, they have certainly been around much longer. Catherine the Great of Russia had little English greyhounds she called them. And they were very important to her. She nursed them herself and they slept on a pink couch in her bedroom. But whether they’re Italian greyhounds, whether they were whippet, who knows. I mean they were very small and whether Italian greyhounds or whippets, it is kind of irrelevant these days.

“The Greyhound and the Saluki are sort of the “ur” sighthound, what sighthounds are supposed to be like. … if you take one step away from Saluki you get the Afghan Hound, which is a little more powerful. If you take several steps away from the Greyhound, you get the Ibizan Hound and you get the Portuguese Podengo and that kind of thing.”

Listen to the full episode for more detailed insights into all things sighthound.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/503-examining-the-history-of-sighthounds-with-bo-bengtson]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">73489777-ec00-4e53-9f91-b7e4c7a7bc13</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2021 09:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/4e9a1b85-8e11-470e-810d-0eec83f18f0e/sighthounds.mp3" length="32787643" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>34:09</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>529 — Christian Manelopoulos: “I’m Going to America”</title><itunes:title>529 — Christian Manelopoulos: “I’m Going to America”</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Christian Manelopoulos: “I’m Going to America”</h1>
Professional handler Christian Manelopoulos joins host Laura Reeves for part one of a wide-ranging conversation about professional handling, working as an apprentice, the toughest dogs to trim and the challenges of moving to America to begin his career.

[caption id="attachment_9957" align="alignleft" width="257"] Christian with his first show dog, Taraglen Nicholas[/caption]

Manelopoulos started in purebred dogs as a teenager in Australia after a knee injury ruined his cricket game. He eventually worked his way up to earning expense money showing dogs for the president of the Victorian Kennel Association.

But what he really wanted to do was move to the US and show dogs like the pictures he saw in <em>Kennel Review</em> of Frank Sabella’s poodles.

So, when he had a chance to work for Joe and Pauline Waterman in Southern California in the early 1990s, he jumped at the chance.

[caption id="attachment_9956" align="alignright" width="305"]<img class=" wp-image-9956" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/277614299_517807709919203_521127858583357818_n.jpg" alt="" width="305" height="381" /> Christian in a team photo with Joe and Pauline Waterman during his apprenticeship.[/caption]

“Going to Joe and Pauline was fantastic because being in Los Angeles, Dick Beauchamp and Frank Sabella would call the kennel. At that time (the Watermans) were still breeding Bichons a little bit. I would study the pedigrees of all the Bichons and all the dogs. I knew their pedigrees better than they did. I was so eager to learn at that time and so that was a tremendous experience.

“The dog show world in Los Angeles in the early ‘90s was a world of its own in that sense. Corky (Vroom) was like the king and then Bruce and Gretchen (Schultz), and then Joe, so it was a tremendous learning experience.

[caption id="attachment_9958" align="alignleft" width="312"]<img class=" wp-image-9958" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/277615846_373733521308639_24001916385246922_n.jpg" alt="" width="312" height="302" /> With other assistants in Los Angeles, Jason Hoke, Tracy Szaras, Andrew Peel, Doug Carlson, Jr Alacantara, Amy Thurow.[/caption]

“I tell people it was different also because we didn't have as many dog shows. Most of the shows were only Saturday and Sunday shows. So, all of the assistants, Woody's assistants and Bruce and Gretchen's and Corky’s, we would often get together on Tuesdays and go and do things. So it was a very communal thing.

“Pauline, Sue (Vroom), Gretchen and Bergit Coady, they were very motherly influences on a lot of the (dog show) kids in the LA area. Especially someone like me, I came from another country, my family was thousands of miles away, so in many ways these women replaced my parents for me. I'm very appreciative to all of them. Sadly most of them have passed away now, but it was definitely a different time.

“I groomed all the time. I mean, that's the story of my life for 30 years. I tell people that I started working 15 hours a day and here I am 30 years later, I still work 15 hours a day. Everyday. It hasn't changed.

“You're very much an entrepreneur in this business. You're self-employed, so the businesses is you. When you start out, you go out from being an assistant, you go out to become a handler, you're literally saying ‘for the next 15 years of my life I am gonna work every waking minute of every day. I am going to forego going to people's birthday parties and weddings and things like funerals and baby showers. I will regret many of those things.’

“But those are the compromises you make to be really successful. Now people can say ‘well, I want a work life balance.’ Those people either generally come from wealthy families or they're not that successful. The most successful people, time and time again, that is their story. If you think it's going to be different, then you should probably try something else, 'cause it's not.

“You have to run it as a business. A lot of kids, they think ‘oh, I wanna get a big winning dog and then they travel around (in) a big truck, with a big mortgage for that truck, and make no money. They do some winning and then it's all over. The most common issue dog handlers run into is tax issues. You're self-employed, you don't save enough money for taxes and things like that. Probably lesson number one I tell everybody get a great accountant.”

&nbsp;]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Christian Manelopoulos: “I’m Going to America”</h1>
Professional handler Christian Manelopoulos joins host Laura Reeves for part one of a wide-ranging conversation about professional handling, working as an apprentice, the toughest dogs to trim and the challenges of moving to America to begin his career.

[caption id="attachment_9957" align="alignleft" width="257"] Christian with his first show dog, Taraglen Nicholas[/caption]

Manelopoulos started in purebred dogs as a teenager in Australia after a knee injury ruined his cricket game. He eventually worked his way up to earning expense money showing dogs for the president of the Victorian Kennel Association.

But what he really wanted to do was move to the US and show dogs like the pictures he saw in <em>Kennel Review</em> of Frank Sabella’s poodles.

So, when he had a chance to work for Joe and Pauline Waterman in Southern California in the early 1990s, he jumped at the chance.

[caption id="attachment_9956" align="alignright" width="305"]<img class=" wp-image-9956" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/277614299_517807709919203_521127858583357818_n.jpg" alt="" width="305" height="381" /> Christian in a team photo with Joe and Pauline Waterman during his apprenticeship.[/caption]

“Going to Joe and Pauline was fantastic because being in Los Angeles, Dick Beauchamp and Frank Sabella would call the kennel. At that time (the Watermans) were still breeding Bichons a little bit. I would study the pedigrees of all the Bichons and all the dogs. I knew their pedigrees better than they did. I was so eager to learn at that time and so that was a tremendous experience.

“The dog show world in Los Angeles in the early ‘90s was a world of its own in that sense. Corky (Vroom) was like the king and then Bruce and Gretchen (Schultz), and then Joe, so it was a tremendous learning experience.

[caption id="attachment_9958" align="alignleft" width="312"]<img class=" wp-image-9958" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/277615846_373733521308639_24001916385246922_n.jpg" alt="" width="312" height="302" /> With other assistants in Los Angeles, Jason Hoke, Tracy Szaras, Andrew Peel, Doug Carlson, Jr Alacantara, Amy Thurow.[/caption]

“I tell people it was different also because we didn't have as many dog shows. Most of the shows were only Saturday and Sunday shows. So, all of the assistants, Woody's assistants and Bruce and Gretchen's and Corky’s, we would often get together on Tuesdays and go and do things. So it was a very communal thing.

“Pauline, Sue (Vroom), Gretchen and Bergit Coady, they were very motherly influences on a lot of the (dog show) kids in the LA area. Especially someone like me, I came from another country, my family was thousands of miles away, so in many ways these women replaced my parents for me. I'm very appreciative to all of them. Sadly most of them have passed away now, but it was definitely a different time.

“I groomed all the time. I mean, that's the story of my life for 30 years. I tell people that I started working 15 hours a day and here I am 30 years later, I still work 15 hours a day. Everyday. It hasn't changed.

“You're very much an entrepreneur in this business. You're self-employed, so the businesses is you. When you start out, you go out from being an assistant, you go out to become a handler, you're literally saying ‘for the next 15 years of my life I am gonna work every waking minute of every day. I am going to forego going to people's birthday parties and weddings and things like funerals and baby showers. I will regret many of those things.’

“But those are the compromises you make to be really successful. Now people can say ‘well, I want a work life balance.’ Those people either generally come from wealthy families or they're not that successful. The most successful people, time and time again, that is their story. If you think it's going to be different, then you should probably try something else, 'cause it's not.

“You have to run it as a business. A lot of kids, they think ‘oh, I wanna get a big winning dog and then they travel around (in) a big truck, with a big mortgage for that truck, and make no money. They do some winning and then it's all over. The most common issue dog handlers run into is tax issues. You're self-employed, you don't save enough money for taxes and things like that. Probably lesson number one I tell everybody get a great accountant.”

&nbsp;]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/529-christian-manelopoulos-im-going-to-america]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">a935ee15-a513-40f4-968e-27757e71ef28</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2022 09:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/83e07ff9-f1f7-4a3c-84ae-2601302e6796/Christian-20Part-201.mp3" length="28559986" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>29:45</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>531 – Elaine Lessig: “Fashionista” Passionate About Dog Judging</title><itunes:title>531 – Elaine Lessig: “Fashionista” Passionate About Dog Judging</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Elaine Lessig: “Fashionista” Passionate About Dog Judging</h1>
Judge and self-proclaimed “fashionista” Elaine Lessig joins host Laura Reeves to share her passion for dogs and dog judging.

Lessig started her purebred dog journey in the 1980s with Cavalier King Charles Spaniels before they were recognized by the AKC. Today she judges the toy, sporting and non-sporting groups.

“I love (judging),” Lessig said. “But I'm smart enough to know that I don't want to judge everything. Every breed has its detail and I think coming from toy dogs was a distinct advantage. Every toy dog breed is a boutique item. I don't look at sporting dogs as retrievers and pointers and spaniels, they're each a unique breed and I think I bring that detail into it.

<img class="wp-image-9994 alignright" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/IMG-20190711-WA0000.jpg" alt="" width="322" height="429" />“I have no other reason to be here than I love what I do and it gives me so much pleasure. I am not a professional judge in terms of this is not my income. I don't have to go out and judge. I'm very happy doing just my three groups. This is a passion. It isn't a product.

“I love to see the connection between whoever it is that’s handling the dog and the dog. I think the dog is better with somebody that they have that wonderful relationship with. I think they perform better. I'm looking for a show dog on those days and then I want to see a dog in good condition. Conditioning is everything here. I'm most offended if you bring me a dirty dog.

“You have to take your losses and you have to put your losses in the loss pile. When you have a chance, you can get them washed and cleaned up again, but you can't dwell on those things because tomorrow is another day, said Scarlett O'Hara. I won't get negative about this. I refuse to do it.”

Known for her fabulous wardrobe and keen sense of style, Lessig shares memories of Sandra Goose Allen, meeting <a href="https://puredogtalk.com/captivate-podcast/david-fitzpatrick-on-pekingese-the-palace-dogs-of-peking-pure-dog-talk/"><strong><em>David Fitzpatrick’s</em></strong></a> Pekingese Malachy the night he arrived in the US and celebrating after the team won the Garden in 2012.

Hear more from Lessig on health in the Cavalier King Charles Spaniels <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqEYjAubTKc"><strong><em>here</em></strong></a>.]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Elaine Lessig: “Fashionista” Passionate About Dog Judging</h1>
Judge and self-proclaimed “fashionista” Elaine Lessig joins host Laura Reeves to share her passion for dogs and dog judging.

Lessig started her purebred dog journey in the 1980s with Cavalier King Charles Spaniels before they were recognized by the AKC. Today she judges the toy, sporting and non-sporting groups.

“I love (judging),” Lessig said. “But I'm smart enough to know that I don't want to judge everything. Every breed has its detail and I think coming from toy dogs was a distinct advantage. Every toy dog breed is a boutique item. I don't look at sporting dogs as retrievers and pointers and spaniels, they're each a unique breed and I think I bring that detail into it.

<img class="wp-image-9994 alignright" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/IMG-20190711-WA0000.jpg" alt="" width="322" height="429" />“I have no other reason to be here than I love what I do and it gives me so much pleasure. I am not a professional judge in terms of this is not my income. I don't have to go out and judge. I'm very happy doing just my three groups. This is a passion. It isn't a product.

“I love to see the connection between whoever it is that’s handling the dog and the dog. I think the dog is better with somebody that they have that wonderful relationship with. I think they perform better. I'm looking for a show dog on those days and then I want to see a dog in good condition. Conditioning is everything here. I'm most offended if you bring me a dirty dog.

“You have to take your losses and you have to put your losses in the loss pile. When you have a chance, you can get them washed and cleaned up again, but you can't dwell on those things because tomorrow is another day, said Scarlett O'Hara. I won't get negative about this. I refuse to do it.”

Known for her fabulous wardrobe and keen sense of style, Lessig shares memories of Sandra Goose Allen, meeting <a href="https://puredogtalk.com/captivate-podcast/david-fitzpatrick-on-pekingese-the-palace-dogs-of-peking-pure-dog-talk/"><strong><em>David Fitzpatrick’s</em></strong></a> Pekingese Malachy the night he arrived in the US and celebrating after the team won the Garden in 2012.

Hear more from Lessig on health in the Cavalier King Charles Spaniels <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqEYjAubTKc"><strong><em>here</em></strong></a>.]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://puredogtalk.captivate.fm/episode/531-elaine-lessig-fashionista-passionate-about-dog-judging]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">0f1b4abb-3435-4026-98f2-864d7577bd6a</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/a704ac25-bd82-4d66-a7e5-d62a61fa1675/itunes1800_a.png"/><pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2022 09:00:00 -0700</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/2968579a-7ac4-4178-9ea6-c465e70ff080/Elaine-20Lessig.mp3" length="31229909" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>32:32</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>539 – Dr. Donald Sturz, Dog Show Philosopher &amp; WKC BIS Judge</title><itunes:title>539 – Dr. Donald Sturz, Dog Show Philosopher &amp; WKC BIS Judge</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<h1>Dr. Donald Sturz, Dog Show Philosopher &amp; WKC BIS Judge</h1>
Dr. Donald Sturz, 2022 BIS judge at Westminster Kennel Club, joins host Laura Reeves to talk purebred dogs as history and art. And goosebumps at seven contenders in a unique and powerful lineup.

“From a historical perspective,” Sturz said, “I think it's so important that we keep our focus on the history of particular breeds, not just from the point of view of the climate or where they came from, the terrain that they worked on or jobs that would to do, but also how the breed has evolved over time and understanding the difference between the evolution of a breed versus the changing of a breed.

“I think those are two very different things and so I think having a historical perspective, I was gonna say as a judge, but also as a breeder, I think that that informs your decisions, it informs your perception of the dogs that you're looking at when you put them in that historical context of both where they originated, but what they were meant to do and how they've evolved over time.
<h2>Purebred dogs are history and they are art</h2>
<img class="wp-image-10346 alignright" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/BullTerrier-Sturz.jpg" alt="" width="299" height="449" />“When you talk about dogs as art, that really resonates with me, because that's what it's like to me when I go to a dog show. I look at dogs as I would look at art in a museum. I love when something moves me. You know how when you look at a beautiful piece of art, whether it's a painting or sculpture or whatever, and you just have a visceral emotional reaction. I love when that happens for me with a dog. As a judge it doesn't happen all the time, it doesn't happen as frequently as one might like, but when it does happen, it's kind of like the reinforcer.
<h2>Patience is a virtue</h2>
“People have gotten so caught up in immediate gratification and looking for the outcome rather than the process. I think it's important for us, especially in dogs, to kind of catch ourselves. If we find ourselves in that kind of moment, I'll say wait a minute, slowdown skippy, you know there's a bigger picture and a much longer story and you need to keep reminding yourself of that.

“I'm big on there being gray areas. I can allow for some stylistic differences on the continuum. But there's a point, there's a line where you get, that's too much, that's too far. It's either too moderate or too extreme. I have a little wiggle room on both sides of that, so that's how I would process kind of that global perspective piece.

“Being able to kind of see the forest for the trees and be able to, as a breeder, see how that dog can add to your journey as you pursue your vision of the breed. I think also being able to think in a more long-term way.

“I think the mistake, unfortunately, is people are like ‘oh, I'm gonna breed to this dog from wherever and I'm gonna bring in these qualities’ and then they have a litter and it's like ‘oh I didn't get what I wanted.’ You’re probably not gonna get what you want. You have to keep working and building and choosing and selecting. It's a longer term process when one tries to do something like that. Does it sometimes click? Yeah, it sometimes happens. But I think that's unusual. You have to kind of make a commitment to a few generations out, at least, to see what you were trying to get to.
<h2>Deciding in the moment</h2>
“What was so beautiful was that his breeder owner handler just very calmly stepped out there and guided him very deftly into a natural stance. He just planted his four feet perfectly without any the crossover thing … it was just boom boom boom. And then he just stood there and he literally stared at me. I'm like ‘Oh my God this is a really proud dog. This is a dog who's giving me a dog standing over a lot of ground, a dog of power and strength. And then I sent him around and his gait was just flawless… Powerful and covering ground and elasticity. Head and tail carriage… and it was perfection to me. In that moment, it was like ‘there it is.’”

&nbsp;]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Dr. Donald Sturz, Dog Show Philosopher &amp; WKC BIS Judge</h1>
Dr. Donald Sturz, 2022 BIS judge at Westminster Kennel Club, joins host Laura Reeves to talk purebred dogs as history and art. And goosebumps at seven contenders in a unique and powerful lineup.

“From a historical perspective,” Sturz said, “I think it's so important that we keep our focus on the history of particular breeds, not just from the point of view of the climate or where they came from, the terrain that they worked on or jobs that would to do, but also how the breed has evolved over time and understanding the difference between the evolution of a breed versus the changing of a breed.

“I think those are two very different things and so I think having a historical perspective, I was gonna say as a judge, but also as a breeder, I think that that informs your decisions, it informs your perception of the dogs that you're looking at when you put them in that historical context of both where they originated, but what they were meant to do and how they've evolved over time.
<h2>Purebred dogs are history and they are art</h2>
<img class="wp-image-10346 alignright" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/BullTerrier-Sturz.jpg" alt="" width="299" height="449" />“When you talk about dogs as art, that really resonates with me, because that's what it's like to me when I go to a dog show. I look at dogs as I would look at art in a museum. I love when something moves me. You know how when you look at a beautiful piece of art, whether it's a painting or sculpture or whatever, and you just have a visceral emotional reaction. I love when that happens for me with a dog. As a judge it doesn't happen all the time, it doesn't happen as frequently as one might like, but when it does happen, it's kind of like the reinforcer.
<h2>Patience is a virtue</h2>
“People have gotten so caught up in immediate gratification and looking for the outcome rather than the process. I think it's important for us, especially in dogs, to kind of catch ourselves. If we find ourselves in that kind of moment, I'll say wait a minute, slowdown skippy, you know there's a bigger picture and a much longer story and you need to keep reminding yourself of that.

“I'm big on there being gray areas. I can allow for some stylistic differences on the continuum. But there's a point, there's a line where you get, that's too much, that's too far. It's either too moderate or too extreme. I have a little wiggle room on both sides of that, so that's how I would process kind of that global perspective piece.

“Being able to kind of see the forest for the trees and be able to, as a breeder, see how that dog can add to your journey as you pursue your vision of the breed. I think also being able to think in a more long-term way.

“I think the mistake, unfortunately, is people are like ‘oh, I'm gonna breed to this dog from wherever and I'm gonna bring in these qualities’ and then they have a litter and it's like ‘oh I didn't get what I wanted.’ You’re probably not gonna get what you want. You have to keep working and building and choosing and selecting. It's a longer term process when one tries to do something like that. Does it sometimes click? Yeah, it sometimes happens. But I think that's unusual. You have to kind of make a commitment to a few generations out, at least, to see what you were trying to get to.
<h2>Deciding in the moment</h2>
“What was so beautiful was that his breeder owner handler just very calmly stepped out there and guided him very deftly into a natural stance. He just planted his four feet perfectly without any the crossover thing … it was just boom boom boom. And then he just stood there and he literally stared at me. I'm like ‘Oh my God this is a really proud dog. This is a dog who's giving me a dog standing over a lot of ground, a dog of power and strength. And then I sent him around and his gait was just flawless… Powerful and covering ground and elasticity. Head and tail carriage… and it was perfection to me. In that moment, it was like ‘there it is.’”

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Don Sturz, psychologist by day, dog show judge on the weekend, provides insight on safe space at the dog show and the importance of continual learning.

[caption id="attachment_10422" align="alignleft" width="349"] Dr. Donal Sturz' first time at Westminster Kennel Club when he was 10 years old.[/caption]

Sturz has discussed being bullied as a child at school and finding dogs and dog shows a “safe space.” He shared his insights on how to make dog shows more welcoming for all exhibitors.

“That’s something that depends on individuals being able to choose situations that are safe,” Sturz said. “People go into situations without full knowledge and wind up in situations that are toxic. It’s up to each individual to know what is their safe space.

“I also think clubs should view the dog show as more of a community event, more than just a dog show. Not just the dog show community, but also the community around it. How do we help people have a good time here.

“(At) Westminster (Sturz is the AKC delegate for Westminster Kennel Club) the club members think a lot about the exhibitors, what makes it pleasant for them. Clubs should be thinking in terms of the human aspect of this. When the atmosphere is devoid of connection and positivity, the activity itself can get really intense. People’s emotions can run high. If you proactively set a tone or atmosphere that is more celebratory, it helps balance that out a little bit.

[caption id="attachment_10423" align="alignright" width="334"]<img class=" wp-image-10423" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Donald-Sturz-WKC-judging-Hound-Group-2006.jpg" alt="" width="334" height="267" /> Donald Sturz judging Westminster Kennel Club Hound Group in 2006.[/caption]

“People get jaded, lost in the fog of yesteryear. If you have the relationship, you can help provide a reality check. These can be meaningful conversations, if you have them with the right tone. It’s more inquiry, not confrontation.

“I do think one area that is different now, I think people hung around more (in years past). People’s lives are busy now. It diminishes the dog show experience (because they don’t have time to) watch and sit. People could do more of that. Watching other breeds, having conversations with people from other breeds.

“Also, listening. A lot of people like to talk, not a lot of people like to listen. Listening is much more valuable than feeling the need to weigh in.”

Sturz described a recent experience attending the Pekingese national, “not even about judging, just a breed that fascinates me. I was like a kid going off to the first day of school."

The experience “impacted how I judged. My brain was worked up and tuned in.”

Sturz offered his three best tips for how to learn at dog shows.
<ol>
 	<li>Know who to learn from. This is key. Seek out individuals you don’t have a natural connection to.</li>
 	<li>Be clear on the purpose. What are you seeking, what do you want to get?</li>
 	<li>Know yourself as a learner and how you learn.</li>
</ol><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h1>Dr. Donald Sturz on Building Community and Continuing Education</h1>
Don Sturz, psychologist by day, dog show judge on the weekend, provides insight on safe space at the dog show and the importance of continual learning.

[caption id="attachment_10422" align="alignleft" width="349"] Dr. Donal Sturz' first time at Westminster Kennel Club when he was 10 years old.[/caption]

Sturz has discussed being bullied as a child at school and finding dogs and dog shows a “safe space.” He shared his insights on how to make dog shows more welcoming for all exhibitors.

“That’s something that depends on individuals being able to choose situations that are safe,” Sturz said. “People go into situations without full knowledge and wind up in situations that are toxic. It’s up to each individual to know what is their safe space.

“I also think clubs should view the dog show as more of a community event, more than just a dog show. Not just the dog show community, but also the community around it. How do we help people have a good time here.

“(At) Westminster (Sturz is the AKC delegate for Westminster Kennel Club) the club members think a lot about the exhibitors, what makes it pleasant for them. Clubs should be thinking in terms of the human aspect of this. When the atmosphere is devoid of connection and positivity, the activity itself can get really intense. People’s emotions can run high. If you proactively set a tone or atmosphere that is more celebratory, it helps balance that out a little bit.

[caption id="attachment_10423" align="alignright" width="334"]<img class=" wp-image-10423" src="https://puredogtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Donald-Sturz-WKC-judging-Hound-Group-2006.jpg" alt="" width="334" height="267" /> Donald Sturz judging Westminster Kennel Club Hound Group in 2006.[/caption]

“People get jaded, lost in the fog of yesteryear. If you have the relationship, you can help provide a reality check. These can be meaningful conversations, if you have them with the right tone. It’s more inquiry, not confrontation.

“I do think one area that is different now, I think people hung around more (in years past). People’s lives are busy now. It diminishes the dog show experience (because they don’t have time to) watch and sit. People could do more of that. Watching other breeds, having conversations with people from other breeds.

“Also, listening. A lot of people like to talk, not a lot of people like to listen. Listening is much more valuable than feeling the need to weigh in.”

Sturz described a recent experience attending the Pekingese national, “not even about judging, just a breed that fascinates me. I was like a kid going off to the first day of school."

The experience “impacted how I judged. My brain was worked up and tuned in.”

Sturz offered his three best tips for how to learn at dog shows.
<ol>
 	<li>Know who to learn from. This is key. Seek out individuals you don’t have a natural connection to.</li>
 	<li>Be clear on the purpose. What are you seeking, what do you want to get?</li>
 	<li>Know yourself as a learner and how you learn.</li>
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