<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><?xml-stylesheet href="https://feeds.captivate.fm/style.xsl" type="text/xsl"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0" xmlns:googleplay="http://www.google.com/schemas/play-podcasts/1.0" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" xmlns:podcast="https://podcastindex.org/namespace/1.0"><channel><atom:link href="https://feeds.captivate.fm/secondorderchange/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><title><![CDATA[Second Order Change]]></title><podcast:guid>5e9ef60c-9bd4-5ec2-8182-4314777350c4</podcast:guid><lastBuildDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2025 05:58:24 +0000</lastBuildDate><generator>Captivate.fm</generator><language><![CDATA[en]]></language><copyright><![CDATA[Copyright 2025 Challenger Media House]]></copyright><managingEditor>Challenger Media House</managingEditor><itunes:summary><![CDATA[On Second Order Change we share honest conversations with incredible artists, entrepreneurs, and authentic humans. No matter their title, all these people have experienced the wild ride that comes with stepping out of the mainstream, embracing your calling, and experience the fulfillment of comprehensive creative living. 

You will learn how others have replaced certainty with curiosity, turned obstacles into opportunities, and unlocked the lives their soul was seeking all along.

Maybe you're already on your path and need some support, or maybe you're still standing at the edge of leaving behind all you've ever known... either way, you are welcome here. We love you. This podcast is designed specifically for you.

Life can be complicated, but it doesn't have to be.
It all comes down to one simple question: who are you here to be?

Death to Certainty,
 Long Live the Dream

A Challenger Media House Production.
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You will learn how others have replaced certainty with curiosity, turned obstacles into opportunities, and unlocked the lives their soul was seeking all along.

Maybe you&apos;re already on your path and need some support, or maybe you&apos;re still standing at the edge of leaving behind all you&apos;ve ever known... either way, you are welcome here. We love you. This podcast is designed specifically for you.

Life can be complicated, but it doesn&apos;t have to be.
It all comes down to one simple question: who are you here to be?

Death to Certainty,
 Long Live the Dream

A Challenger Media House Production.
</description><link>https://secondorderchange.captivate.fm</link><atom:link href="https://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com" rel="hub"/><itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Challenge Your Story — Redefine Your Future]]></itunes:subtitle><itunes:explicit>true</itunes:explicit><itunes:type>episodic</itunes:type><itunes:category text="Arts"></itunes:category><itunes:category text="Society &amp; Culture"></itunes:category><itunes:category text="Business"></itunes:category><podcast:locked>no</podcast:locked><podcast:medium>podcast</podcast:medium><item><title>Video Vendor to Strategic Partner: Evolving Your Creative Career with Lisamarie Shires</title><itunes:title>Video Vendor to Strategic Partner: Evolving Your Creative Career with Lisamarie Shires</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Executive Producer and business mentor Lisamarie Shires shares what it really means to move beyond execution and become a trusted strategic partner in the creative industry.</p><p>Through stories and insights from years of experience working with filmmakers and photographers, Lisamarie explores how creatives can reclaim their value, embody their expertise, and lead projects with vision — not just visuals.</p><p>We talk about navigating industry shifts, redefining success, and showing up with grounded authority in an environment that often pushes creatives into compliance.</p><p>Whether you're navigating burnout, recalibrating your business, or ready to step into your next evolution as a creative leader, this episode offers clarity, permission, and practical wisdom.</p><h3>🕒 Chapter Breakdown:</h3><p><strong>00:00</strong> – The Evolving Role of Filmmakers</p><p><strong>01:15</strong> – Navigating Uncertainty in Business</p><p><strong>04:20</strong> – The Impact of Rapid Industry Changes</p><p><strong>08:08</strong> – Adapting to Client Needs and Expectations</p><p><strong>12:55</strong> – Creative Problem Solving in Production</p><p><strong>19:15</strong> – Opportunities in the Mid-Level Market</p><p><strong>27:57</strong> – Embracing Change and Adaptability</p><p><strong>28:36</strong> – Navigating Industry Shifts</p><p><strong>31:57</strong> – Balancing Work and Lifestyle</p><p><strong>32:32</strong> – Resisting External Pressures</p><p><strong>35:02</strong> – Aligning with Personal Values</p><p><strong>45:16</strong> – The Power of Fearlessness</p><p><strong>54:34</strong> – Long-Term Vision and Trust</p><p>Step your game up and work with Lisamarie: <a href="https://lisamarieshires.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lisamarieshires.com/</a></p><p>Connect with Lisa on IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/lisamarieshires" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/lisamarieshires</a></p><p>Connect with Evan on IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier</a></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Executive Producer and business mentor Lisamarie Shires shares what it really means to move beyond execution and become a trusted strategic partner in the creative industry.</p><p>Through stories and insights from years of experience working with filmmakers and photographers, Lisamarie explores how creatives can reclaim their value, embody their expertise, and lead projects with vision — not just visuals.</p><p>We talk about navigating industry shifts, redefining success, and showing up with grounded authority in an environment that often pushes creatives into compliance.</p><p>Whether you're navigating burnout, recalibrating your business, or ready to step into your next evolution as a creative leader, this episode offers clarity, permission, and practical wisdom.</p><h3>🕒 Chapter Breakdown:</h3><p><strong>00:00</strong> – The Evolving Role of Filmmakers</p><p><strong>01:15</strong> – Navigating Uncertainty in Business</p><p><strong>04:20</strong> – The Impact of Rapid Industry Changes</p><p><strong>08:08</strong> – Adapting to Client Needs and Expectations</p><p><strong>12:55</strong> – Creative Problem Solving in Production</p><p><strong>19:15</strong> – Opportunities in the Mid-Level Market</p><p><strong>27:57</strong> – Embracing Change and Adaptability</p><p><strong>28:36</strong> – Navigating Industry Shifts</p><p><strong>31:57</strong> – Balancing Work and Lifestyle</p><p><strong>32:32</strong> – Resisting External Pressures</p><p><strong>35:02</strong> – Aligning with Personal Values</p><p><strong>45:16</strong> – The Power of Fearlessness</p><p><strong>54:34</strong> – Long-Term Vision and Trust</p><p>Step your game up and work with Lisamarie: <a href="https://lisamarieshires.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lisamarieshires.com/</a></p><p>Connect with Lisa on IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/lisamarieshires" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/lisamarieshires</a></p><p>Connect with Evan on IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier</a></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://secondorderchange.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">33c93178-3fb7-4e93-b786-f1a35cf71c2c</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/9136769f-d9a1-414e-a902-bcf08106bba0/TGrMxGh4H6tt0T6h2hoeGwvu.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2025 12:00:00 -0500</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/76d861e9-6c6e-4e5a-8ca1-38efb80b8ce4/LisamarieShires2-0.mp3" length="54953608" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>57:05</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>true</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>19</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>19</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season><podcast:alternateEnclosure type="video/youtube" title="Video Vendor to Strategic Partner: Evolving Your Creative Career with 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The discussion explores the concepts of authenticity, the fluidity of identity, and how our intrinsic characteristics and conditioned behaviors shape our experiences. Highlighting the importance of internal authority over external validation, they delve into ways of being and becoming, the impact of storytelling on personal growth, and the nuances of discipline and devotion. Evan and Ian also reflect on emotional acceptance, the process of reintegration, and the transformative power of imaginative embodiment. The episode wraps up with practical advice on how to navigate these complex inner landscapes, making it a valuable listen for anyone interested in personal and professional development.</span></p><p><strong>Saturday April 19th I am going to be sharing the most impactful lessons I’ve learned about video and photo equipment</strong> - what to buy, what to rent, how to take advantage of depreciation, cost of ownership vs sticker price, when and why to buy a $10k tripod, gear strategy for companies vs freelancers, setting pricing, negotiating, and so much more. </p><p>During the workshop we’re going to spend 80 minutes digging into these highly actionable principles and then have 40 minutes of QnA to talk about what’s going on in your specific world and how you can apply the tools to create more freedom for yourself, your team, and your family.</p><p><strong>Film Gear Hacking:</strong><a href="https://www.ebourcier.com/film-gear-hacking" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong> </strong>https://www.ebourcier.com/film-gear-hacking</a></p><p><strong>Find Ian on Instagram:</strong> <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mindset_magic_coach" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/mindset_magic_coach</a></p><p><strong>Find Evan on Instagram: </strong><a href="https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier</a></p><p><strong>Podcast Chapters:</strong></p><p>00:00 Exploring Authenticity and Identity</p><p>01:30 Introduction to the Podcast and Guest</p><p>02:31 Upcoming Financial Workshop Announcement</p><p>04:09 Childhood Imagination and Adult Conditioning</p><p>08:41 Discipline vs. Devotion</p><p>09:55 Mindset Coaching and Personal Growth</p><p>17:41 The Power of Storytelling and Acceptance</p><p>23:21 Understanding Ways of Being</p><p>28:27 Understanding Cognitive Dissonance</p><p>29:03 The Power of Declarative Truths</p><p>31:00 Exploring Rhetorical Secrecy</p><p>33:02 The Interplay of Being and Becoming</p><p>37:13 Authenticity and Self-Acceptance</p><p>46:49 Embracing Emotions and Vulnerability</p><p>54:32 Navigating Success and Inner Stories</p><p><br></p><p><br></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-family: var(--bs-font-sans-serif); font-size: 1.125rem; color: var(--bs-accordion-color);">In this episode of </span><strong style="color: var(--bs-accordion-color);">Second Order Change</strong><span style="font-family: var(--bs-font-sans-serif); font-size: 1.125rem; color: var(--bs-accordion-color);">, host Evan Bourcier engages in a deep and insightful conversation with mindset coach, entrepreneur, and artist Ian Maxwell. The discussion explores the concepts of authenticity, the fluidity of identity, and how our intrinsic characteristics and conditioned behaviors shape our experiences. Highlighting the importance of internal authority over external validation, they delve into ways of being and becoming, the impact of storytelling on personal growth, and the nuances of discipline and devotion. Evan and Ian also reflect on emotional acceptance, the process of reintegration, and the transformative power of imaginative embodiment. The episode wraps up with practical advice on how to navigate these complex inner landscapes, making it a valuable listen for anyone interested in personal and professional development.</span></p><p><strong>Saturday April 19th I am going to be sharing the most impactful lessons I’ve learned about video and photo equipment</strong> - what to buy, what to rent, how to take advantage of depreciation, cost of ownership vs sticker price, when and why to buy a $10k tripod, gear strategy for companies vs freelancers, setting pricing, negotiating, and so much more. </p><p>During the workshop we’re going to spend 80 minutes digging into these highly actionable principles and then have 40 minutes of QnA to talk about what’s going on in your specific world and how you can apply the tools to create more freedom for yourself, your team, and your family.</p><p><strong>Film Gear Hacking:</strong><a href="https://www.ebourcier.com/film-gear-hacking" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong> </strong>https://www.ebourcier.com/film-gear-hacking</a></p><p><strong>Find Ian on Instagram:</strong> <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mindset_magic_coach" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/mindset_magic_coach</a></p><p><strong>Find Evan on Instagram: </strong><a href="https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier</a></p><p><strong>Podcast Chapters:</strong></p><p>00:00 Exploring Authenticity and Identity</p><p>01:30 Introduction to the Podcast and Guest</p><p>02:31 Upcoming Financial Workshop Announcement</p><p>04:09 Childhood Imagination and Adult Conditioning</p><p>08:41 Discipline vs. Devotion</p><p>09:55 Mindset Coaching and Personal Growth</p><p>17:41 The Power of Storytelling and Acceptance</p><p>23:21 Understanding Ways of Being</p><p>28:27 Understanding Cognitive Dissonance</p><p>29:03 The Power of Declarative Truths</p><p>31:00 Exploring Rhetorical Secrecy</p><p>33:02 The Interplay of Being and Becoming</p><p>37:13 Authenticity and Self-Acceptance</p><p>46:49 Embracing Emotions and Vulnerability</p><p>54:32 Navigating Success and Inner Stories</p><p><br></p><p><br></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://secondorderchange.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">be47a6a3-a75c-4f7e-abd8-118c0922ffb0</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/9136769f-d9a1-414e-a902-bcf08106bba0/TGrMxGh4H6tt0T6h2hoeGwvu.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2025 09:00:00 -0500</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/64d36606-c7e2-4b4f-93c6-1d0426c8393d/IanMaxwell.mp3" length="55766445" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>57:57</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>true</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>18</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>18</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season></item><item><title>Navigating Grief, Growth, &amp; Creativity with Michael Dalton</title><itunes:title>Navigating Grief, Growth, &amp; Creativity with Michael Dalton</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p><strong>What happens when you stop suppressing your emotions and start embracing them?</strong></p><p>In this episode, we dive into the messy, beautiful process of emotional growth—how childhood experiences, therapy, and personal awakenings shape our perspective on life, creativity, and success.</p><p>We unpack:</p><p>🔹 Growing up in a <strong>conservative religious environment</strong> and unlearning emotional suppression</p><p>🔹 The impact of <strong>grief, heartbreak, and vulnerability</strong> on personal and creative life</p><p>🔹 <strong>Balancing emotions and rationality</strong> into an integrated way of being</p><p>🔹 How <strong>authenticity on social media</strong> can both empower and challenge us</p><p>🔹 Parenting, individuality, and <strong>encouraging emotional expression</strong> in future generations</p><p>This is a conversation about <strong>healing, growth, and the creative power of feeling deeply</strong>.</p><p><br></p><p>🎧 <strong>Listen now on Second Order Change.</strong></p><p><br></p><p><strong>Michael's IG: </strong>https://www.instagram.com/michaelishustle</p><p><strong>Evan's IG: </strong>https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier</p><p>A Challenger Media House Production.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>What happens when you stop suppressing your emotions and start embracing them?</strong></p><p>In this episode, we dive into the messy, beautiful process of emotional growth—how childhood experiences, therapy, and personal awakenings shape our perspective on life, creativity, and success.</p><p>We unpack:</p><p>🔹 Growing up in a <strong>conservative religious environment</strong> and unlearning emotional suppression</p><p>🔹 The impact of <strong>grief, heartbreak, and vulnerability</strong> on personal and creative life</p><p>🔹 <strong>Balancing emotions and rationality</strong> into an integrated way of being</p><p>🔹 How <strong>authenticity on social media</strong> can both empower and challenge us</p><p>🔹 Parenting, individuality, and <strong>encouraging emotional expression</strong> in future generations</p><p>This is a conversation about <strong>healing, growth, and the creative power of feeling deeply</strong>.</p><p><br></p><p>🎧 <strong>Listen now on Second Order Change.</strong></p><p><br></p><p><strong>Michael's IG: </strong>https://www.instagram.com/michaelishustle</p><p><strong>Evan's IG: </strong>https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier</p><p>A Challenger Media House Production.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://secondorderchange.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">14ecabfc-dad7-4c39-8733-3d6ee3949901</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/9136769f-d9a1-414e-a902-bcf08106bba0/TGrMxGh4H6tt0T6h2hoeGwvu.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2025 09:00:00 -0500</pubDate><enclosure 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his band <strong>Flagship</strong> to rebuilding as a solo artist, Drake shares the highs and lows of his journey—his struggles with <strong>substance abuse</strong>, the <strong>challenges of the modern music industry</strong>, and how <strong>sobriety</strong> and <strong>creativity</strong> became his lifelines.</p><p>He also dives into the <strong>realities of being an independent musician today</strong>, navigating <strong>streaming, social media, radio, and licensing</strong>, and the unexpected fulfillment of collaborating with and uplifting new artists.</p><p>This is a story of <strong>resilience, redemption, and the transformative power of music</strong>.</p><p>🎧 <strong>Listen now on Second Order Change.</strong></p><p><br></p><p>Flagship IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/flagship" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.instagram.com/flagship</a></p><p>Drake's IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/drakemargolnick" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/drakemargolnick</a></p><p>Evan's IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier</a></p><p>Flagship on Spotify: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/54CUt2S6hufxE1MTYqVpmT?si=22-FXJa6QXeknpYT78YoiA" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/54CUt2S6hufxE1MTYqVpmT?si=22-FXJa6QXeknpYT78YoiA</a></p><p> Margolnick on Spotify: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/2pM7xmsP5Whj2ZZzEGQ89O?si=EbqggS6MRbW_fhzGCVaLAw" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/2pM7xmsP5Whj2ZZzEGQ89O?si=EbqggS6MRbW_fhzGCVaLAw</a></p><p><br></p><p>A Challenger Media House Production</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this deeply personal episode, <strong>Drake Margolnick</strong> opens up about a life-altering blackout while working with rising artist <strong>Adina Rey</strong>—an incident that forced him to confront the lasting impact of a <strong>2016 abduction</strong> that left him battling <strong>PTSD, blackouts, and addiction</strong>.</p><p>From the rise and fall of his band <strong>Flagship</strong> to rebuilding as a solo artist, Drake shares the highs and lows of his journey—his struggles with <strong>substance abuse</strong>, the <strong>challenges of the modern music industry</strong>, and how <strong>sobriety</strong> and <strong>creativity</strong> became his lifelines.</p><p>He also dives into the <strong>realities of being an independent musician today</strong>, navigating <strong>streaming, social media, radio, and licensing</strong>, and the unexpected fulfillment of collaborating with and uplifting new artists.</p><p>This is a story of <strong>resilience, redemption, and the transformative power of music</strong>.</p><p>🎧 <strong>Listen now on Second Order Change.</strong></p><p><br></p><p>Flagship IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/flagship" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.instagram.com/flagship</a></p><p>Drake's IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/drakemargolnick" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/drakemargolnick</a></p><p>Evan's IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier</a></p><p>Flagship on Spotify: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/54CUt2S6hufxE1MTYqVpmT?si=22-FXJa6QXeknpYT78YoiA" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/54CUt2S6hufxE1MTYqVpmT?si=22-FXJa6QXeknpYT78YoiA</a></p><p> Margolnick on Spotify: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/2pM7xmsP5Whj2ZZzEGQ89O?si=EbqggS6MRbW_fhzGCVaLAw" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/artist/2pM7xmsP5Whj2ZZzEGQ89O?si=EbqggS6MRbW_fhzGCVaLAw</a></p><p><br></p><p>A Challenger Media House Production</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://secondorderchange.captivate.fm]]></link><guid 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entrepreneur Jason Adams. Part two of this discussion covers key topics including the often overlooked importance of trust and alignment with clients, the pitfalls of focusing on superficial metrics such as crew size and equipment, and the value of having a flexible, high-performing team. Jason and the host also discuss the dynamics of maintaining creative integrity while managing client expectations, the tangible benefits of efficient project management, and the critical need for personal artistic expression outside commercial work. This episode provides valuable insights for anyone involved in creative fields, emphasizing the significance of clear, ongoing communication and a focus on the final product rather than the process.</p><p>00:00&nbsp;Introduction: The Least Interesting Details</p><p>00:21&nbsp;Creating Unified Experiences</p><p>01:03&nbsp;Aligning with Clients</p><p>01:47&nbsp;Welcome to Second Order Change</p><p>03:18&nbsp;Effective Team Dynamics</p><p>05:27&nbsp;Balancing Creativity and Practicality</p><p>08:08&nbsp;Navigating Client Expectations</p><p>09:20&nbsp;The Role of Flexibility in Production</p><p>21:48&nbsp;Art vs. Commercial Creativity</p><p>35:00&nbsp;Balancing Creative Vision and Practical Constraints</p><p>35:49&nbsp;The Importance of Team Alignment</p><p>38:05&nbsp;Client Management and Empathy</p><p>40:06&nbsp;Efficiency in Production</p><p>41:36&nbsp;Avoiding Creative Bloat</p><p>43:33&nbsp;The Pitfalls of Overemphasizing Equipment</p><p>45:56&nbsp;Effective Client Communication</p><p>54:50&nbsp;Trust and Flexibility in Budgeting</p><p>59:06&nbsp;The Value of Skilled Crew Members</p><p>01:09:21&nbsp;Conclusion and Reflections</p><p>Jason's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jas_adams</p><p>Evan's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier</p><p>A Challenger Media House Production.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the latest episode of 'Second Order Change,' we dive deep into a conversation with filmmaker and entrepreneur Jason Adams. Part two of this discussion covers key topics including the often overlooked importance of trust and alignment with clients, the pitfalls of focusing on superficial metrics such as crew size and equipment, and the value of having a flexible, high-performing team. Jason and the host also discuss the dynamics of maintaining creative integrity while managing client expectations, the tangible benefits of efficient project management, and the critical need for personal artistic expression outside commercial work. This episode provides valuable insights for anyone involved in creative fields, emphasizing the significance of clear, ongoing communication and a focus on the final product rather than the process.</p><p>00:00&nbsp;Introduction: The Least Interesting Details</p><p>00:21&nbsp;Creating Unified Experiences</p><p>01:03&nbsp;Aligning with Clients</p><p>01:47&nbsp;Welcome to Second Order Change</p><p>03:18&nbsp;Effective Team Dynamics</p><p>05:27&nbsp;Balancing Creativity and Practicality</p><p>08:08&nbsp;Navigating Client Expectations</p><p>09:20&nbsp;The Role of Flexibility in Production</p><p>21:48&nbsp;Art vs. Commercial Creativity</p><p>35:00&nbsp;Balancing Creative Vision and Practical Constraints</p><p>35:49&nbsp;The Importance of Team Alignment</p><p>38:05&nbsp;Client Management and Empathy</p><p>40:06&nbsp;Efficiency in Production</p><p>41:36&nbsp;Avoiding Creative Bloat</p><p>43:33&nbsp;The Pitfalls of Overemphasizing Equipment</p><p>45:56&nbsp;Effective Client Communication</p><p>54:50&nbsp;Trust and Flexibility in Budgeting</p><p>59:06&nbsp;The Value of Skilled Crew Members</p><p>01:09:21&nbsp;Conclusion and Reflections</p><p>Jason's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jas_adams</p><p>Evan's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier</p><p>A Challenger Media House Production.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://secondorderchange.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">0cd5488d-112e-49e9-8fcd-ad33450c4ea4</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/9136769f-d9a1-414e-a902-bcf08106bba0/TGrMxGh4H6tt0T6h2hoeGwvu.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2025 09:00:00 -0500</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d621ac47-01f2-4f20-8946-5b39d0aaa585/Jason-Adams-Part-2.mp3" length="102362361" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:11:00</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>true</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>15</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>15</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season></item><item><title>How to Manage Big-Budget Film Productions Without Burning Out – with Jason Adam</title><itunes:title>How to Manage Big-Budget Film Productions Without Burning Out – with Jason Adam</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this conversation, Evan Bourcier and Jason discuss the complexities and inefficiencies of production in the film industry. They explore the nature of production bloat, the impact of long work hours on productivity, and the dynamics of client expectations on set. The discussion emphasizes the need for clarity and effective management of time and resources to enhance the creative process while maintaining a balance between cost management and creative integrity. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the complexities of the filmmaking process, discussing the balance between creativity and budget constraints, the importance of storytelling, and the ethical considerations in creative work. They explore how to navigate production challenges while maintaining artistic integrity and the value of understanding different aspects of filmmaking. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the complexities of creative work, discussing the cynicism that can arise from misaligned goals and the importance of maintaining creative integrity. They emphasize the value of flexible teams and the need for clear communication with clients to build trust and ensure successful collaborations. The discussion also touches on the nature of commercial creativity, highlighting the distinction between art and commercial work, and the importance of finding personal fulfillment in creative endeavors. In this conversation, Evan Bourcier and Jason discuss the challenges and frustrations faced by creatives in commercial art. They explore the importance of maintaining a balance between personal artistic expression and professional obligations, emphasizing the need for creative outlets outside of work. The dialogue also highlights the significance of alignment and communication within teams and with clients to foster a productive and enjoyable creative process. Ultimately, they advocate for crafting meaningful work that transcends mere status symbols in the industry. In this conversation, Evan Bourcier and Jason discuss the intricacies of collaboration in creative projects, emphasizing the importance of maintaining a clear vision while navigating client feedback. They explore the challenges of managing creative differences, the necessity of building trust and alignment with clients, and the significance of reputation in the industry. The dialogue highlights the need for effective communication and the value of creative freedom within budget constraints, ultimately advocating for a more collaborative and trust-based approach to filmmaking.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this conversation, Evan Bourcier and Jason discuss the complexities and inefficiencies of production in the film industry. They explore the nature of production bloat, the impact of long work hours on productivity, and the dynamics of client expectations on set. The discussion emphasizes the need for clarity and effective management of time and resources to enhance the creative process while maintaining a balance between cost management and creative integrity. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the complexities of the filmmaking process, discussing the balance between creativity and budget constraints, the importance of storytelling, and the ethical considerations in creative work. They explore how to navigate production challenges while maintaining artistic integrity and the value of understanding different aspects of filmmaking. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the complexities of creative work, discussing the cynicism that can arise from misaligned goals and the importance of maintaining creative integrity. They emphasize the value of flexible teams and the need for clear communication with clients to build trust and ensure successful collaborations. The discussion also touches on the nature of commercial creativity, highlighting the distinction between art and commercial work, and the importance of finding personal fulfillment in creative endeavors. In this conversation, Evan Bourcier and Jason discuss the challenges and frustrations faced by creatives in commercial art. They explore the importance of maintaining a balance between personal artistic expression and professional obligations, emphasizing the need for creative outlets outside of work. The dialogue also highlights the significance of alignment and communication within teams and with clients to foster a productive and enjoyable creative process. Ultimately, they advocate for crafting meaningful work that transcends mere status symbols in the industry. In this conversation, Evan Bourcier and Jason discuss the intricacies of collaboration in creative projects, emphasizing the importance of maintaining a clear vision while navigating client feedback. They explore the challenges of managing creative differences, the necessity of building trust and alignment with clients, and the significance of reputation in the industry. The dialogue highlights the need for effective communication and the value of creative freedom within budget constraints, ultimately advocating for a more collaborative and trust-based approach to filmmaking.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://secondorderchange.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">690b9293-d8c0-41b8-9896-4bb5be2abcf6</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/9136769f-d9a1-414e-a902-bcf08106bba0/TGrMxGh4H6tt0T6h2hoeGwvu.jpg"/><pubDate>Mon, 24 Feb 2025 09:00:00 -0500</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/8320c3a4-3535-4ace-912d-8b471e164a99/Jason-Adams-Part-1.mp3" length="53786251" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>55:53</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>true</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>14</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>14</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season></item><item><title>From Addiction to Culinary Success: Allen Campbell’s Story of Reinvention</title><itunes:title>From Addiction to Culinary Success: Allen Campbell’s Story of Reinvention</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Chef Allen Campbell is widely known as a leader in the sports nutrition world. Most&nbsp;recently known as Tom Brady’s former personal chef, author of the TB12 Nutrition Manual as well as contributor to the TB12 Method and The Game of Eating Smart. Allen has popularized and revolutionized traditional culinary artistry by maximizing health benefits and sustainability.&nbsp;</p><p>Allen created AC Kitchen to be a resource for those looking to achieve maximum health while enjoying delicious, organic food.&nbsp;This unique, small-batch meal service provides a wide&nbsp;variety of seasonal recipes, all made to order from scratch and hand-delivered from Boston to NYC.</p><p>Learn more about AC Kitchen at: https://ackitchen.com/</p><p>Allen's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chefallencampbell/</p><p>Evan's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier</p><p>Edited by Tate Bourcier.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chef Allen Campbell is widely known as a leader in the sports nutrition world. Most&nbsp;recently known as Tom Brady’s former personal chef, author of the TB12 Nutrition Manual as well as contributor to the TB12 Method and The Game of Eating Smart. Allen has popularized and revolutionized traditional culinary artistry by maximizing health benefits and sustainability.&nbsp;</p><p>Allen created AC Kitchen to be a resource for those looking to achieve maximum health while enjoying delicious, organic food.&nbsp;This unique, small-batch meal service provides a wide&nbsp;variety of seasonal recipes, all made to order from scratch and hand-delivered from Boston to NYC.</p><p>Learn more about AC Kitchen at: https://ackitchen.com/</p><p>Allen's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chefallencampbell/</p><p>Evan's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier</p><p>Edited by Tate Bourcier.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://secondorderchange.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">0116b519-de2a-49e8-acd3-d868abde8488</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/9136769f-d9a1-414e-a902-bcf08106bba0/TGrMxGh4H6tt0T6h2hoeGwvu.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 08 Feb 2025 09:00:00 -0500</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/cb659bc5-f319-4d0f-999e-f02dcc4ef1ce/Allen-Campbell.mp3" length="83573167" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:26:52</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>true</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>13</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>13</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season></item><item><title>Creating Stories That Matter: James Victor on Fiction, Connection, and Purpose</title><itunes:title>Creating Stories That Matter: James Victor on Fiction, Connection, and Purpose</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Today on Second Order Change we're talking to storyteller James Victor.</p><p>James and Evan both grew up as church creative lads committed to the path of truth and creative expression, even when that has lead into conflicts with the Dogma they were surrounded in. During this conversation we explore the intersection of faith, fear, and creativity - unpacking the role of stories in the human experience, and their power to heal dogmatic belief systems.</p><p>Show Links:</p><p>Jame's IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/probablyjamesvictor" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/probablyjamesvictor</a></p><p>Evan's IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier</a></p><p>Ready to hand off Accounting so you can focus on Creative? You can hop on a No-Pressure Free Discovery Call with Core here: <a href="https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core</a></p><p><br></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today on Second Order Change we're talking to storyteller James Victor.</p><p>James and Evan both grew up as church creative lads committed to the path of truth and creative expression, even when that has lead into conflicts with the Dogma they were surrounded in. During this conversation we explore the intersection of faith, fear, and creativity - unpacking the role of stories in the human experience, and their power to heal dogmatic belief systems.</p><p>Show Links:</p><p>Jame's IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/probablyjamesvictor" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/probablyjamesvictor</a></p><p>Evan's IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier</a></p><p>Ready to hand off Accounting so you can focus on Creative? You can hop on a No-Pressure Free Discovery Call with Core here: <a href="https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core</a></p><p><br></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://secondorderchange.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">4ea4dddd-f116-4a3e-8e10-695dfa4f1f49</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/9136769f-d9a1-414e-a902-bcf08106bba0/TGrMxGh4H6tt0T6h2hoeGwvu.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2025 12:00:00 -0500</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/9ea5a5c1-8bb1-4497-8599-1a3195d214e2/JamesThomas.mp3" length="134544954" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:33:18</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>true</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>12</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>12</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season></item><item><title>Channeling, Failure, and Depth in Creativity - Mitchel Dae</title><itunes:title>Channeling, Failure, and Depth in Creativity - Mitchel Dae</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>We're back with part 2 of our conversation with Musical artist Mitchel Dae.</p><p><strong>Show Links:</strong></p><p>Mitchel's IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mitcheldae" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/mitcheldae</a></p><p>Evan's IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier</a></p><p><br></p><p>Ready to hand off Accounting so you can focus on Creative? You can hop on a No-Pressure Free Discovery Call with Core here: <a href="https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core</a></p><p><br></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We're back with part 2 of our conversation with Musical artist Mitchel Dae.</p><p><strong>Show Links:</strong></p><p>Mitchel's IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mitcheldae" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/mitcheldae</a></p><p>Evan's IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier</a></p><p><br></p><p>Ready to hand off Accounting so you can focus on Creative? You can hop on a No-Pressure Free Discovery Call with Core here: <a href="https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core</a></p><p><br></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://secondorderchange.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">f115fbf4-fdfe-4b98-b285-10c95db187c3</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/9136769f-d9a1-414e-a902-bcf08106bba0/TGrMxGh4H6tt0T6h2hoeGwvu.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 05 Jan 2025 03:00:00 -0500</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/87d0cbc5-30ef-4f46-9dde-4d890e73cfdc/MitchelPart2.mp3" length="159419975" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:50:37</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>true</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>11</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>11</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season></item><item><title>Stupid People, Angsty Music, and Finding your Voice - Mitchel Dae</title><itunes:title>Stupid People, Angsty Music, and Finding your Voice - Mitchel Dae</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>On this episode of Second Order Change we're talking to Alternative music artist Mitchel Dae about his journey to 450k monthly listeners without a label, which all started during one fateful night in his dorm room where he dropped his sister's guitar.</p><p>We talk about finding your voice, building a brand, finding trusted collaborators, keeping things lean, trusting the process, finding producers, and riding a discovery wave.</p><p>Show Links:</p><p>Mitchel's IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mitcheldae" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/mitcheldae</a></p><p>Evan's IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier</a></p><p><br></p><p>Ready to hand off Accounting so you can focus on Creative? You can hop on a No-Pressure Free Discovery Call with Core here: <a href="https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core</a></p><p><br></p><p><strong>Key Topics</strong></p><ul><li>Indie Artists</li><li>Finding Your Voice</li><li>Spotify Discovery</li><li>Growing the Seed of an Idea</li><li>Creating without Judgement</li><li>Increasing Monthly Listeners</li><li>Building a Spotify Audience</li><li>Mitchel Dae</li><li>Alternative Music</li><li>Musician Brand-Building</li><li>Creating with Depth</li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On this episode of Second Order Change we're talking to Alternative music artist Mitchel Dae about his journey to 450k monthly listeners without a label, which all started during one fateful night in his dorm room where he dropped his sister's guitar.</p><p>We talk about finding your voice, building a brand, finding trusted collaborators, keeping things lean, trusting the process, finding producers, and riding a discovery wave.</p><p>Show Links:</p><p>Mitchel's IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mitcheldae" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/mitcheldae</a></p><p>Evan's IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier</a></p><p><br></p><p>Ready to hand off Accounting so you can focus on Creative? You can hop on a No-Pressure Free Discovery Call with Core here: <a href="https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core</a></p><p><br></p><p><strong>Key Topics</strong></p><ul><li>Indie Artists</li><li>Finding Your Voice</li><li>Spotify Discovery</li><li>Growing the Seed of an Idea</li><li>Creating without Judgement</li><li>Increasing Monthly Listeners</li><li>Building a Spotify Audience</li><li>Mitchel Dae</li><li>Alternative Music</li><li>Musician Brand-Building</li><li>Creating with Depth</li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://secondorderchange.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">374ae332-c1bf-4ddc-bc92-aa42ec1c9204</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/9136769f-d9a1-414e-a902-bcf08106bba0/TGrMxGh4H6tt0T6h2hoeGwvu.jpg"/><pubDate>Sun, 29 Dec 2024 17:30:00 -0500</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d4e0193d-8e2b-4d2c-986b-f04928d639cc/MitchelFullEpisode.mp3" length="133309208" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:32:27</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>true</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>10</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>10</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season></item><item><title>Margin, Mental Breakdown, and Tax Advice - Jeremy Doorn</title><itunes:title>Margin, Mental Breakdown, and Tax Advice - Jeremy Doorn</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>This week on the podcast we're talking to Jeremy Doorn.</p><p>Jeremy is my personal accountant and our relationship has changed my business and consequently, my life. We get into Jeremy's experience with how a mental breakdown pushed him to explore running as a release, his un-traditional path into accounting, and some of the biggest lessons he's learned in his time working with creative professionals.</p><p>Book a free discover call with Core: <a href="https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core</a></p><p>Jeremy's Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/jdoorn/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/jdoorn/</a></p><p>Evan's Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier/</a></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This week on the podcast we're talking to Jeremy Doorn.</p><p>Jeremy is my personal accountant and our relationship has changed my business and consequently, my life. We get into Jeremy's experience with how a mental breakdown pushed him to explore running as a release, his un-traditional path into accounting, and some of the biggest lessons he's learned in his time working with creative professionals.</p><p>Book a free discover call with Core: <a href="https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core</a></p><p>Jeremy's Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/jdoorn/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/jdoorn/</a></p><p>Evan's Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier/</a></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://secondorderchange.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">6d358627-e417-4ce1-b3f1-29fb2ae00610</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/9136769f-d9a1-414e-a902-bcf08106bba0/TGrMxGh4H6tt0T6h2hoeGwvu.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:00:00 -0500</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/a300eb63-8620-4622-a430-392c050b6b43/JeremyDoorn2-0.mp3" length="91476173" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:34:54</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>true</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>9</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>9</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season></item><item><title>Risk, Ramen, and Reinvention – Mario Fabbri</title><itunes:title>Risk, Ramen, and Reinvention – Mario Fabbri</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Today on Second Order Change, we are talking to Mario Fabbri.</p><p>Mario is a chef, filmmaker, and entrepreneur who started his journey studying actuarial science—a career path pushed on him by a guidance counselor that he didn’t want. After dropping out of college and betting on himself, Mario dove into entrepreneurship, filmmaking, and eventually food storytelling. Now, he’s a chef dedicated to inspiring others with plant-based content and intentional eating.</p><p>In this episode, Mario talks about finding purpose, taking risks, and turning small opportunities into big wins. From learning through wedding videos to firing clients that didn’t align with his values, Mario’s story is packed with lessons on risk-taking, knowing your worth, and following your passion.</p><h2>Links:</h2><ul><li>Mario's Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mariofabbrichef/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.instagram.com/mariofabbrichef/</a></li><li>Mario's Website: <a href="https://www.tryingveganwithmario.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.tryingveganwithmario.com/</a></li><li>Evan's Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.instagram.com/ebourcier/</a></li><li>Core Group (Accountant) Free discovery call: <a href="https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core</a></li></ul><br/><h2>Topics:</h2><ul><li> Leaving actuarial science for entrepreneurship</li><li> Early lessons from filming wedding videos</li><li> Finding purpose through plant-based food storytelling</li><li> Why firing clients can be the best decision</li><li> Building a career with a four-year creative plan</li><li> The role of risk and resilience in success</li><li>Tips for networking and collaboration</li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today on Second Order Change, we are talking to Mario Fabbri.</p><p>Mario is a chef, filmmaker, and entrepreneur who started his journey studying actuarial science—a career path pushed on him by a guidance counselor that he didn’t want. After dropping out of college and betting on himself, Mario dove into entrepreneurship, filmmaking, and eventually food storytelling. Now, he’s a chef dedicated to inspiring others with plant-based content and intentional eating.</p><p>In this episode, Mario talks about finding purpose, taking risks, and turning small opportunities into big wins. From learning through wedding videos to firing clients that didn’t align with his values, Mario’s story is packed with lessons on risk-taking, knowing your worth, and following your passion.</p><h2>Links:</h2><ul><li>Mario's Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mariofabbrichef/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.instagram.com/mariofabbrichef/</a></li><li>Mario's Website: <a href="https://www.tryingveganwithmario.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.tryingveganwithmario.com/</a></li><li>Evan's Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.instagram.com/ebourcier/</a></li><li>Core Group (Accountant) Free discovery call: <a href="https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core</a></li></ul><br/><h2>Topics:</h2><ul><li> Leaving actuarial science for entrepreneurship</li><li> Early lessons from filming wedding videos</li><li> Finding purpose through plant-based food storytelling</li><li> Why firing clients can be the best decision</li><li> Building a career with a four-year creative plan</li><li> The role of risk and resilience in success</li><li>Tips for networking and collaboration</li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://secondorderchange.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">3e9761af-05f5-4c55-8c56-b8720d98bcda</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/9136769f-d9a1-414e-a902-bcf08106bba0/TGrMxGh4H6tt0T6h2hoeGwvu.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 14 Dec 2024 11:30:00 -0500</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/50e36838-a7c8-4c9b-be20-2ebd33ed70ba/Mario-Full-Episode.mp3" length="120788514" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:23:44</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>true</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>8</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>8</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season></item><item><title>Cancer, Creativity, and Rebirth - Colton Williams</title><itunes:title>Cancer, Creativity, and Rebirth - Colton Williams</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Today on Second Order Change we're talking to Colton Williams about his journey from low-level flyer designer to AVP of Global Brand Creative for L'Oreal. Along the way we explore our shared experience as homeschooled church kids, Deconstruction, Colton's 3 near death experiences, his 8 year stint as a Filmmaker, and so much more.</p><h2>Links:</h2><p>Colton's IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mynameiscolton/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/mynameiscolton/</a></p><p>Evan's IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier</a></p><h2>Topics:</h2><ul><li>Homeschooling/Christian upbringing</li><li>Retro video editing/Filmmaking beginnings</li><li>Religious upbringing, ingrained religious tropes and stories</li><li>Battling Cancer at 23</li><li>Evangelical Deconstruction</li><li>Lessons from near-death experiences</li><li>Deconstructing faith and beliefs</li><li>Navigating divorce and identity</li><li>Embracing vulnerability and honesty</li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today on Second Order Change we're talking to Colton Williams about his journey from low-level flyer designer to AVP of Global Brand Creative for L'Oreal. Along the way we explore our shared experience as homeschooled church kids, Deconstruction, Colton's 3 near death experiences, his 8 year stint as a Filmmaker, and so much more.</p><h2>Links:</h2><p>Colton's IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mynameiscolton/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/mynameiscolton/</a></p><p>Evan's IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier</a></p><h2>Topics:</h2><ul><li>Homeschooling/Christian upbringing</li><li>Retro video editing/Filmmaking beginnings</li><li>Religious upbringing, ingrained religious tropes and stories</li><li>Battling Cancer at 23</li><li>Evangelical Deconstruction</li><li>Lessons from near-death experiences</li><li>Deconstructing faith and beliefs</li><li>Navigating divorce and identity</li><li>Embracing vulnerability and honesty</li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://secondorderchange.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">fedf4dc0-d629-4b96-8d0a-7d8f84749bcb</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/9136769f-d9a1-414e-a902-bcf08106bba0/TGrMxGh4H6tt0T6h2hoeGwvu.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 07 Dec 2024 10:30:00 -0500</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/e1e9aa07-4842-4666-9fc2-242d1585efbc/Colton-Full-Episode-Audio.mp3" length="172864023" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:59:56</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>true</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>7</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>7</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season></item><item><title>Poetry, Synchronicity and The Lessons of Darkness - David Morin</title><itunes:title>Poetry, Synchronicity and The Lessons of Darkness - David Morin</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Second Order Change, we talk to the incredible David Morin - delving into profound experiences of spiritual awakening, creative self-discovery, and integrating the reality of death into our lives. David shares his journey through a tumultuous period of life of existential dread which lead him to a darkness retreat, and emerging with newfound clarity, creative energy and a new identity - a poet. </p><p>The conversation touches on the challenges of honoring difficult experiences without falling into despair, the power of poetry as a transformative tool, and the importance of balancing structure and spontaneity in the creative process. We also explore the broader implications of seeing life as a series of cycles—embracing both its joyous and shadowy aspects. Listen in for a thought-provoking discussion on living wholeheartedly, even in the face of life's impermanence.</p><h1>Show Links:</h1><p>David's IG:&nbsp;<a href="http://instagram.com/mor.intune" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">instagram.com/mor.intune</a></p><p>Evan's IG: <a href="https://instagram.com/ebourcier" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">instagram.com/ebourcier</a></p><p>If you are interested in the Free Financial Workshop! (Dec 7th at 4pm Eastern) Shoot me a DM.</p><p>Ready to hand off Accounting? No-Pressure Free Discovery Call: <a href="https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Core Group</a></p><p><br></p><h1>Key Topics</h1><p>Spiritual Awakening</p><p>Death as a Teacher</p><p>Polarities of Life</p><p>Philosophy and Paradoxes of Existence</p><p>Past Lives</p><p><br></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Second Order Change, we talk to the incredible David Morin - delving into profound experiences of spiritual awakening, creative self-discovery, and integrating the reality of death into our lives. David shares his journey through a tumultuous period of life of existential dread which lead him to a darkness retreat, and emerging with newfound clarity, creative energy and a new identity - a poet. </p><p>The conversation touches on the challenges of honoring difficult experiences without falling into despair, the power of poetry as a transformative tool, and the importance of balancing structure and spontaneity in the creative process. We also explore the broader implications of seeing life as a series of cycles—embracing both its joyous and shadowy aspects. Listen in for a thought-provoking discussion on living wholeheartedly, even in the face of life's impermanence.</p><h1>Show Links:</h1><p>David's IG:&nbsp;<a href="http://instagram.com/mor.intune" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">instagram.com/mor.intune</a></p><p>Evan's IG: <a href="https://instagram.com/ebourcier" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">instagram.com/ebourcier</a></p><p>If you are interested in the Free Financial Workshop! (Dec 7th at 4pm Eastern) Shoot me a DM.</p><p>Ready to hand off Accounting? No-Pressure Free Discovery Call: <a href="https://www.coregroupus.com/contact-core" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Core Group</a></p><p><br></p><h1>Key Topics</h1><p>Spiritual Awakening</p><p>Death as a Teacher</p><p>Polarities of Life</p><p>Philosophy and Paradoxes of Existence</p><p>Past Lives</p><p><br></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://secondorderchange.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">14174082-3286-426f-8991-8fe0ac7ceec7</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/9136769f-d9a1-414e-a902-bcf08106bba0/TGrMxGh4H6tt0T6h2hoeGwvu.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 30 Nov 2024 02:15:00 -0500</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/53f580b2-5624-4cd5-851c-fbc4040b6d84/DavidMorinFull.mp3" length="144197046" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:40:06</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>true</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>6</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>6</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/d50db885-eb65-4511-b679-1f0044afe775/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>Growth, Mindfulness, and Influencing with Integrity - Jordan Owens</title><itunes:title>Growth, Mindfulness, and Influencing with Integrity - Jordan Owens</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we dive into themes of personal growth, career evolution, and identity with two unique perspectives—one from the world of professional hockey and the other from a creative career in film. From professional hockey to filmmaking, we dive into the mindset needed to navigate career changes, stay motivated, and find new sources of inspiration. We also discuss the drive to push personal limits, find new passions, and the complexities of navigating high-level creative industries. The episode closes with insights into developing leadership skills, creative freedom, and why understanding the technical nuances of a craft is essential yet can sometimes be overemphasized.&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;<strong>Key Topics:</strong></p><ul><li>Self-Discovery</li><li>Identity and Experience in Professional Hockey</li><li>Transitioning from a Sports Career to New Passions</li><li>Navigating High-Level Careers in Film and Creativity</li><li>Leadership, Soft Skills, and Confidence in Creative Roles</li><li>Staying Driven Through Career Transitions</li><li>Meditation, Mental Clarity, and Flow State</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Join us</strong>&nbsp;as we unpack these themes with humor, honesty, and a shared commitment to growth in and beyond our chosen paths.&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;<strong>More of&nbsp;Jordan:</strong></p><ul><li>Instagram: <a href="http://www.instagram.com/joadelic/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.instagram.com/joadelic/?hl=en</a></li><li>Youtube: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/@atribecalledowens" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.youtube.com/@atribecalledowens</a></li><li>Web Design: <a href="https://www.origincreative.ca/about-us" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.origincreative.ca/about-us</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we dive into themes of personal growth, career evolution, and identity with two unique perspectives—one from the world of professional hockey and the other from a creative career in film. From professional hockey to filmmaking, we dive into the mindset needed to navigate career changes, stay motivated, and find new sources of inspiration. We also discuss the drive to push personal limits, find new passions, and the complexities of navigating high-level creative industries. The episode closes with insights into developing leadership skills, creative freedom, and why understanding the technical nuances of a craft is essential yet can sometimes be overemphasized.&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;<strong>Key Topics:</strong></p><ul><li>Self-Discovery</li><li>Identity and Experience in Professional Hockey</li><li>Transitioning from a Sports Career to New Passions</li><li>Navigating High-Level Careers in Film and Creativity</li><li>Leadership, Soft Skills, and Confidence in Creative Roles</li><li>Staying Driven Through Career Transitions</li><li>Meditation, Mental Clarity, and Flow State</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong>Join us</strong>&nbsp;as we unpack these themes with humor, honesty, and a shared commitment to growth in and beyond our chosen paths.&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>&nbsp;<strong>More of&nbsp;Jordan:</strong></p><ul><li>Instagram: <a href="http://www.instagram.com/joadelic/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.instagram.com/joadelic/?hl=en</a></li><li>Youtube: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/@atribecalledowens" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.youtube.com/@atribecalledowens</a></li><li>Web Design: <a href="https://www.origincreative.ca/about-us" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.origincreative.ca/about-us</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://secondorderchange.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">69e75fa2-406f-403c-af51-96c58a71ce44</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/9136769f-d9a1-414e-a902-bcf08106bba0/TGrMxGh4H6tt0T6h2hoeGwvu.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 23 Nov 2024 12:00:00 -0500</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/6200b88a-5b2f-490f-bed2-257ef5d55ce0/JORDAN-FULL-EPISODE.mp3" length="190070842" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>02:11:58</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>true</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>5</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>5</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season></item><item><title>The Value of Being Critical, Growing Up Poor, and Not Being an Expert- Jacob Stahler</title><itunes:title>The Value of Being Critical, Growing Up Poor, and Not Being an Expert- Jacob Stahler</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>This is a good one, we promise.</p><p>Find Jacob on IG at: https://www.instagram.com/jacobstahler</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good one, we promise.</p><p>Find Jacob on IG at: https://www.instagram.com/jacobstahler</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://secondorderchange.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">8ebd212e-b2b4-4a1a-a65e-73e656be8f50</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/9136769f-d9a1-414e-a902-bcf08106bba0/TGrMxGh4H6tt0T6h2hoeGwvu.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 03 Sep 2024 09:00:00 -0500</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/bc9e74e9-3c6c-47fd-ab42-5a5902141503/JACOBFullEpisode.mp3" length="74008314" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>51:22</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>true</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>4</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>4</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season></item><item><title>Attachment Styles, Relationship Failure, and the Problem with Therapy - Jourdan Blue</title><itunes:title>Attachment Styles, Relationship Failure, and the Problem with Therapy - Jourdan Blue</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Today we're talking to Therapist Jourdan Blue - and you're not going to want to miss it.</p><p>JOURDAN BLUE is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and the creator of Relationship Theory. She is a direct and results oriented therapist and coach that has worked with thousands of individuals and couples and is known for her ability to completely rewire and change insecure attachment styles permanently. She works with professional athletes and celebrities and also specializes in transforming mindsets, insecurities, and optimizing top performance through her rewiring process. She has traveled the world officiating weddings for her success stories and is on a mission to create more thriving healthy relationships. She believes “It’s not meant to be, It’s made to be” and she wants to ensure everyone has the opportunity to have the life (and relationship) they’ve always dreamed of. In addition to all of this, she teaches therapists her Relationship Theory Model so they can get direct and lasting results for their clients too. Jourdan currently lives in Nashville, TN with her husband Ryan and you can find her online at RelationshipTheory.com</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today we're talking to Therapist Jourdan Blue - and you're not going to want to miss it.</p><p>JOURDAN BLUE is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and the creator of Relationship Theory. She is a direct and results oriented therapist and coach that has worked with thousands of individuals and couples and is known for her ability to completely rewire and change insecure attachment styles permanently. She works with professional athletes and celebrities and also specializes in transforming mindsets, insecurities, and optimizing top performance through her rewiring process. She has traveled the world officiating weddings for her success stories and is on a mission to create more thriving healthy relationships. She believes “It’s not meant to be, It’s made to be” and she wants to ensure everyone has the opportunity to have the life (and relationship) they’ve always dreamed of. In addition to all of this, she teaches therapists her Relationship Theory Model so they can get direct and lasting results for their clients too. Jourdan currently lives in Nashville, TN with her husband Ryan and you can find her online at RelationshipTheory.com</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://secondorderchange.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">41b2ba3d-2b9b-4a49-8821-5c962e5c2a9d</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/9136769f-d9a1-414e-a902-bcf08106bba0/TGrMxGh4H6tt0T6h2hoeGwvu.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 10 Aug 2024 16:15:00 -0500</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/f399c83c-9d66-4c43-a7f8-25ab5cba635e/SOCJourdanBlue.mp3" length="223157622" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:56:12</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>true</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>3</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>3</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season></item><item><title>Deaths in the Family, Making a Movie, Lack of Confidence on Set- Stephen Gray</title><itunes:title>Deaths in the Family, Making a Movie, Lack of Confidence on Set- Stephen Gray</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Filmmaker Stephen Gray recently directed his first feature documentary. It's called After Death, and it's a niche documentary about Near Death Experiences. Most people would aim for a a small festival run and maybe some distribution - Stephen's film opened in 2,600 theaters. In this episode, we dive into the journey from losing his brother in law to making a movie.</p><p>Long Live the Dream</p><p><br></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Filmmaker Stephen Gray recently directed his first feature documentary. It's called After Death, and it's a niche documentary about Near Death Experiences. Most people would aim for a a small festival run and maybe some distribution - Stephen's film opened in 2,600 theaters. In this episode, we dive into the journey from losing his brother in law to making a movie.</p><p>Long Live the Dream</p><p><br></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://secondorderchange.captivate.fm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">72e0b5f4-4923-40e3-bf98-b5ed755246d1</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/9136769f-d9a1-414e-a902-bcf08106bba0/TGrMxGh4H6tt0T6h2hoeGwvu.jpg"/><pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2024 09:00:00 -0500</pubDate><enclosure url="https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/aea222f2-d975-4a8e-a6b6-efe32a7631ec/SOC-StephenGrayEdited.mp3" length="130439890" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:30:33</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>true</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>2</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>2</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season></item><item><title>Childhood Substance Abuse, MEN1, and Leaving the Church - Tracy Bywater</title><itunes:title>Childhood Substance Abuse, MEN1, and Leaving the Church - Tracy Bywater</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Welcome back to Second Order Change! I'm Evan Bourcier - your host - and today we're delving into the transformative power of creativity and resilience with the remarkable Tracy Bywater. One thing I did NOT mention in the intro is that her beautiful puppy was hanging out with us - so you might hear some background bone chewing going on once in a while.</p><p>Key Topics Covered:</p><ul><li>Tracy's Journey: Tracy, an artist and recent MEN1 diagnosis survivor, shares her inspiring journey of resilience, creativity, and growth mindset amidst adversity. Hear her powerful perspective on navigating life's challenges, even referring to her body as a "cancer factory."</li><li>Embracing Vulnerability: Tracy's authenticity and vulnerability in the face of illness serve as a powerful reminder to find light in life's darkest moments.</li><li>Tracy's resilience and perspective offer unexpected lessons in embracing vulnerability and finding joy amidst adversity, illustrating the transformative power of creativity.</li></ul><br/><p>Find Tracy on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bepositiveartist/</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome back to Second Order Change! I'm Evan Bourcier - your host - and today we're delving into the transformative power of creativity and resilience with the remarkable Tracy Bywater. One thing I did NOT mention in the intro is that her beautiful puppy was hanging out with us - so you might hear some background bone chewing going on once in a while.</p><p>Key Topics Covered:</p><ul><li>Tracy's Journey: Tracy, an artist and recent MEN1 diagnosis survivor, shares her inspiring journey of resilience, creativity, and growth mindset amidst adversity. 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Within days, after no promotion and only sharing the site with a few friends, their profanity laden, text-based website had received over 70,000 visits. Only weeks later, that number rose into the millions, and a small army of new fans were demanding merchandise. Without hesitation, or adequate forethought, the duo leapt into a series of disasters that nearly cost them their sanity and financial stability. In spite of their mistakes and against all odds, however, a fucking business was born.</p><p>GFDA’s first product, the Classic Advice Print, a stark, irreverent, and undeniably authentic list of motivating creative axioms, was an instant hit. Having graced the halls of such creative icons as Vera Wang, Louise Wilson, and, former Apple CDO, Jony Ive, the Classic Advice Print launched GFDA into c-list internet stardom.</p><p>Now, with new, deeply meaningful content and products, a full-service creative agency, and a heart-pumping workshop, GFDA is better poised than ever to be that voice in your head that you just can’t ignore.</p><p><br></p><p>Audio Version: https://secondorderchange.captivate.fm/listen</p><p><br></p><p>Brian's Gram: https://www.instagram.com/brianbuirge/</p><p>GFDA.co - https://gfda.co/ </p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Second Order Change Episode 6 Guest Brian Buirge talks about his journey with Martial Arts, Nutrition, Giving out Good Fucking Design Advice, Creating Print Products, Building and Monetizing a Brand Online, and more.</p><p>Just over ten years ago, Brian and Jason, two grad students trying to grab their students’ attention, got together over two cups of coffee and six cheap beers to make basic design principles impossible to forget. 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It began as a one liner between friends and family on motorcycle runs and trips. Instead of saying “Be safe. Wear your helmet,” like your mom would say… our mom said “Go Fast, Don’t Die.” And so, we did. After the saying caught on, and GFDD tattoos started showing up amongst the crew, we decided we need the mantra on a T-Shirt. Go Fast Don’t Die is for the crowd that pulls a little more from that throttle after the assessment of risk says to back it off. It’s for those who look at the map and see more than where they are but where they could be tomorrow. Go Fast Don’t Die is for those who see the danger, see the risk and see nothing in comparison to the potential of the reward. To those who hold dear that pursuit of the thrill, the best times with friends old and new and the complete lack of a safe alternative… you found the right brand.</p><p><br></p><p>Go Fast, Don’t Die.</p><p><br></p><p>Audio Version: https://secondorderchange.captivate.fm/listen</p><p><br></p><p>Brady's Gram: https://www.instagram.com/bradytildeath/</p><p><br></p><p>Go Fast Don't Die: https://www.gofastdontdie.com/ </p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Second Order Change Episode 5 Guest Brady McLean talks about letting go for dear life, raising heck, accepting the idea that we die, riding motorcycles, going fast without dying, honesty, and so much more.</p><p>If you aren't familiar with Brady, you might wanna check him out, and you might wanna check out his brand, Go Fast, Don't Die.</p><p><br></p><p>Go Fast Don’t Die is a brand that represents a lifestyle of risk, hustle and the pursuit of destroyed limits. 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