Host Becky Boyland interviews Los Angeles–born Egyptian American musician Michael Isaak about his journey from church hymns, Arabic classics, and early FL Studio production to creating a new sound he calls “arabesque folk.” After making indie folk influenced by Phoebe Bridgers and Sufjan Stevens, a first trip to Egypt at 19 sparked deeper cultural immersion; he brought home an oud, later transferred to Columbia University, studied Arabic language and Arab music history and theory, and joined the Arab Music Ensemble. Michael shares how experimenting and jamming helped Arabic motifs emerge naturally instead of feeling forced, his critique of the “world music” framing, and his goal of building in-person community through intimate shows. They discuss his debut album The Carpet Maker (May 15) and lead single “Hold Your Keys” (March 6), reflecting on diaspora, displacement, and the hope of return.

https://youtu.be/YiRyILUz2Jc

Connect with Michael Isaak:

• https://www.instagram.com/michaelisaakmusic
• https://tiktok.com/@michaelisaakmusic
• https://youtube.com/@michaelisaakmusic
• https://open.spotify.com/artist/559rQJZL0GYH9lVU6zi5ey?si=KXUULlsqT16kSTJggFiQ8A
• https://music.apple.com/us/artist/michael-isaak/1644644907
• https://michaelisaak.us

Sponsors:

• Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com
• She Produces Music: https://www.sheproducesmusic.com

Featured Song:

• ”Hold Your Keys” by Michael Isaak, written by Michael Isaak & Sohail Bagheri (used with permission). All rights reserved.

Timestamps:

• 0:00 Teaser: Michael Isaak Interview
• 00:38 Introduction
• 02:12 Meet Michael Isaak
• 03:26 Learning to Perform and Produce
• 06:05 Taking the Leap From College
• 07:38 Finding an Arab Folk Identity
• 13:29 Oud Origins and Obsession
• 16:40 Blending Arabic and Western Sounds
• 26:39 Beyond World Music Labels
• 30:51 SPONSOR: Attitude Creativity
• 31:24 SPONSOR: She Produces Music
• 31:59 The Carpet Maker Album Story
• 38:17 Marketing vs Meaning
• 40:46 Building Community Through Shows
• 43:57 Advice and Influences to Explore
• 47:17 Where to Find the Music
• 48:08 Release Dates and Farewell
• 48:51 Coda
• 51:16 Featured Song: "Hold Your Keys" by Michael Isaak, written by Michael Isaak & Sohail Bagheri

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Host Becky Boyland interviews New Jersey-based music producer, author, and educator Prin, who began playing piano by ear at age three, worked as a paid musician by 15, and built a thriving NYC gigging and composing life while at Fordham. After graduating in 2001, untreated bipolar disorder and substance abuse led her into a free inpatient case-study program at the New York State Psychiatric Institute, where she was hospitalized on 9/11, prompting a renewed commitment to mental health. A back injury halted performing for years, shifting her into counseling, education, and writing. After leaving higher ed, she was hit by a car and suffered lasting left-hand nerve damage, later returning to gigs and releasing her first album in 2016. Subsequent car accidents, disc replacement surgery (2019), the pandemic, and her brother’s death after COVID led her into music production, sound healing, and an ambient grief project, “The Calm Principles.”

https://youtu.be/OPJ9_mkKL1g

Connect with Prin:

• https://www.facebook.com/musicbyprin
• https://www.instagram.com/musicbyprin
• https://www.tiktok.com/@musicbyprin
• https://musicbyprin.com

Sponsors:

• She Produces Music: https://www.sheproducesmusic.com

Featured Song:

• ”A Long Time Coming” by Prin, written by Princess Yvonne Duma (used with permission). All rights reserved.

Timestamps:

• 00:00 Teaser: Prin's Interview
• 00:26 Introduction
• 01:30 Meet Prin
• 01:53 Early Piano Roots
• 03:16 Stage Fright Breakthrough
• 06:40 Fordham and NYC Hustle
• 09:15 NYC Artist Community
• 11:55 Fear of Original Music
• 13:24 Mental Health Pivot
• 16:30 In the Hospital During 9/11
• 19:36 Back Injury Ends Gigging
• 20:46 Career In Counseling Education
• 22:23 SPONSOR: She Produces Music
• 25:22 Quit Job Then Car Accident
• 28:57 Return to Music and First Album
• 30:45 Finding New Creative Tools
• 31:36 Album Release Gets Derailed
• 33:34 Surgery Recovery Meets Pandemic
• 34:33 Learning Production Independence
• 36:22 Grief Becomes Healing Project
• 38:54 Mental Health and Balance
• 43:19 Letting Songs Be Imperfect
• 47:50 Reinventing Old Songs
• 52:26 Production Tips and Tech
• 01:00:34 Artist Identity and Where to Find Me
• 01:03:05 Coda
• 01:06:20 Featured Song: "A Long Time Coming" by Prin

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In this episode of Second Verse, host Becky Boyland welcomes Sophie Bickerdike, an indie artist who shares her journey of exploring multiple musical identities under different names. Sophie talks about how she started creating music out of necessity during COVID for her yoga studio and evolved into producing meditative tracks, healing frequencies, and experimental sounds. She discusses the challenges of coming to music later in life, the joy of playful experimentation, and the power of finishing small projects. Sophie's story is an inspiring reminder that it's never too late to start a new creative journey.

https://youtu.be/Qze1Cxw-jNY

Connect with Sophie Bickerdike:

1. Web: www.lunalightmusiclabel.com
2. Facebook: www.facebook.com/sophiebickerdikemusic
3. Instagram: www.instagram.com/sophiebickerdikemusic
4. Bandcamp: https://lunalightmusic.bandcamp.com

Mentioned in the Episode:

1. Dr. Masaru Emoto: How Emotion Influences Water: https://bornastheearth.com/dr-masaru-emoto/
2. Masaru Emoto Water Experiments: https://youtu.be/1qQUFvufXp4
3. Life by XLN Audio: https://www.xlnaudio.com/products/life
4. Talent Is Timeless Community: https://www.talentistimeless.com/

Sponsors:

1. Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com/blueprint
2. Singing / Straw: https://secondverse.com/singingstraw (affiliate link, 10% coupon auto-applied, or use code “secondverse”)

Featured Song:

1. ”528Hz Manifest Miracles - Angelic Extended Mix” by LunaLight & Sophia Bickerdike, written by Sophia Bickerdike (used with permission). All rights reserved.

Timestamps:

1. 00:00 Episode Teaser: Sophie Bickerdike Interview
2. 00:32 Introduction
3. 01:59 Welcome to Sophie and Early Musical Influences
4. 03:02 Journey into Music Production
5. 04:01 Creating Relaxing and Experimental Music
6. 07:35 Exploring Different Musical Tools and Techniques
7. 13:02 Multiple Musical Personas
8. 19:20 Navigating Neurodivergence in Music
9. 23:36 Navigating Musical Identity and Acceptance
10. 24:40 BROUGHT TO YOU BY Attitude Creativity
11. 26:01 BROUGHT TO YOU BY Singing / Straw
12. 26:59 Balancing Band Life and Rehearsals
13. 27:29 Women in Music Production
14. 29:04 Exploring the Power of Music Frequencies
15. 34:52 Managing Multiple Music Projects
16. 41:46 Advice for Aspiring Musicians
17. 43:44 Where to Find and Support the Artist
18. 45:02 Coda
19. 46:55 Featured Song: "528Hz Manifest Miracles - Angelic Extended Mix" by LunaLight & Sophia Bickerdike

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1. https://tidal.com/playlist/c84934ad-2723-4d1a-919e-2aebd4b4974d

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In this episode of Second Verse, host Becky Boyland welcomes music artist and creative guide Adriana Douglas, who shares her inspiring journey from a decade-long corporate career to rediscovering her childhood dream of becoming a singer. Adriana discusses the pivotal moment when she embraced her artistic identity, the impact of Julia Cameron's The Artist's Way in unlocking her creativity, and her recent move to Nashville to immerse herself in a vibrant artistic community. Along with practical advice on navigating the music industry, Adriana emphasizes the importance of aligning career choices with personal values, the necessity of community support, and the resilience required to pursue artistic dreams. Listen in for an honest, energizing conversation about the challenges and triumphs of reclaiming one's creative passion.

https://youtu.be/CNM4a7gvBBg

Connect with Adriana Douglas:

1. Web: https://www.adrianadouglas.com/
2. TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@adrianagdouglas
3. Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theartofadrianaa/
4. YouTube: https://youtube.com/@adrianagdouglas
5. Streaming: on all major platforms

Sponsors:

1. Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com/blueprint
2. Singing / Straw: https://secondverse.com/singingstraw (affiliate link, 10% coupon auto-applied, or use code “secondverse”)

Featured Song:

1. ”Dressed in Labels” by Adriana Douglas, written by Jessica Taylor, Adriana Douglas (used with permission). All rights reserved.

Timestamps:

1. 00:00 Episode Teaser Clip
2. 00:28 Episode Introduction
3. 02:01 Welcome to Adriana
4. 02:22 Adriana's Early Love for Music
5. 03:55 Rediscovering Music and Creativity
6. 05:35 The Impact of 'The Artist's Way'
7. 09:09 Embracing Creativity in Daily Life
8. 10:51 Moving to Nashville and New Beginnings
9. 12:02 Navigating the Music Industry
10. 26:09 The Importance of Community and Support
11. 33:37 Challenges and Sacrifices in Pursuing Music
12. 42:04 BROUGHT TO YOU BY: Attitude Creativity
13. 43:25 BROUGHT TO YOU BY: Singing / Straw
14. 44:22 Advice for Aspiring Artists
15. 49:39 Upcoming Projects and How to Support Adriana
16. 51:33 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
17. 51:59 Coda
18. 54:09 Featured Song: "Dressed in Labels" by Adriana Douglas, written by Jessica Taylor & Adriana Douglas

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In this episode of Second Verse hosted by Becky Boyland, we meet Kathi Copans, who creates under the artist name Kathi Fran. Kathi shares her inspiring journey of growing up in a musical home, navigating the ups and downs of life, and finding her way back to music and songwriting after illness and loss. This conversation covers a range of topics including the evolving definition of success, the healing power of music, and the importance of kindness in the creative community. Becky and Kathi also discuss the challenges and rewards of co-writing, the importance of authenticity in art, and how even small steps in pursuing one's passion can lead to significant personal fulfillment and impact. Tune in for an episode full of wisdom, resilience, and musical inspiration.

https://youtu.be/EJrlJslaNro

Connect with Kathi Fran:

1. Instagram: @kat_rocks_13
2. linktr.ee/kathifran

Sponsors:

1. Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com/blueprint
2. Singing / Straw: https://secondverse.com/singingstraw (affiliate link, 10% coupon auto-applied, or use code “secondverse”)

Featured Song:

1. ”Wintering” by Kathi Fran, written by Kathi Fran Copans & Wilhelmina Fleur Lavinia Walter (used with permission). All rights reserved.

Timestamps:

1. 00:00 Kathi Fran Episode Teaser
2. 00:13 Introduction
3. 01:41 Welcome and Early Love for Music
4. 04:32 Transition to School Teaching
5. 07:43 Health Challenges and Rediscovery
6. 10:13 Philosophical Reflections on Music
7. 24:39 Creative Process and Collaborations
8. 26:33 The Self-Promoting Artist
9. 29:34 The Importance of Co-Writing and Community
10. 31:35 BROUGHT TO YOU BY: Attitude Creativity
11. 32:56 BROUGHT TO YOU BY: Singing / Straw
12. 33:54 Instrumentation and Production Techniques
13. 36:07 The Art of Using MIDI and Live Instruments
14. 42:51 Live Performances and Open Mics
15. 45:19 Future Plans and Dreams
16. 49:08 Advice for Aspiring Musicians
17. 50:42 Coda
18. 52:45 Featured Song: "Wintering" by Kathi Fran, written by Kathi Fran Copans & Wilhelmina Fleur Lavinia Walter

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In this episode of Second Verse, host Becky Boyland chats with Joshua David Thayer, a seasoned bassist from Northampton, Massachusetts. After spending decades in supporting roles for various bands, the sudden loss of his father in 2023 inspired Josh to step into the spotlight as a solo artist at age 50. They discuss the creative process, using grief as a catalyst, and the importance of finishing projects over striving for perfection. Josh's journey is a testament to trusting the process and letting the material guide you to create honest and impactful work. Listen in as Josh shares his unique approach to music creation and the challenges of being an independent artist in 2025.

https://youtu.be/1CMNvWBdM9s

Connect with Joshua David Thayer:

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joshuadavidthayer/
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/joshuadavidthayer/
• Bandcamp: https://joshuadavidthayer.bandcamp.com/
• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@JoshuaDavidThayer
• Website: www.joshuadavidthayer.com

Mentioned in the episode:

• Subvert: https://subvert.fm/
• Rick Rubin's "The Creative Act: A Way of Being": https://sites.prh.com/thecreativeact
• David Bowie Cut-Up Method: https://www.openculture.com/2019/05/how-david-bowie-used-william-s-burroughs-cut-up-method-to-write-his-unforgettable-lyrics.html

Sponsors:

• Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com/blueprint
• Singing / Straw: https://secondverse.com/singingstraw (affiliate link, 10% coupon auto-applied, or use code “secondverse”)

Featured Song:

• ”We Won’t Relent” by Joshua David Thayer, written by Joshua David Thayer. Used with permission. All rights reserved.

Timestamps:

• 00:00 Teaser: Joshua David Thayer Interview
• 00:28 Introduction to the Episode
• 02:09 Welcoming Joshua David Thayer & Music Beginnings
• 03:26 High School Band to Rock Band
• 06:51 Early Success and Opportunities
• 11:25 Transition to a "Traditional" Career
• 18:19 FEATURING: Attitude Creativity
• 19:40 FEATURING: Singing / Straw
• 20:38 Rediscovering Music After Loss
• 24:10 Josh's Unique Creative Process
• 35:49 When Is the Music Ready?
• 40:57 Challenges and Rewards of Modern Music Creation
• 47:35 Current Projects and Future Plans
• 55:31 How to Support Josh's Music
• 57:35 Coda
• 59:36 Featured Song: "We Won't Relent" by Joshua David Thayer

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In this episode of Second Verse, host Becky Boyland emphasizes the importance of building confidence through small steps. She shares personal experiences, including a transformative songwriting retreat in Scotland. Becky highlights how taking minor actions can snowball into greater self-assurance. Featuring stories from past guests like Ben Kintisch, Kelly Hastings, Greig Watts, and Chris Evans, she illustrates how simple, consistent efforts can lead to significant progress in music careers. Becky also addresses common confidence busters, such as comparison and perfectionism, and provides practical micro habits for artists. Download her 'Creative Momentum Map' to help boost your creative journey.

https://youtu.be/YwuJLT61-zg

Download the Creative Momentum Map: 7 Small Actions to Reignite Your Music:

• https://secondversepod.com/confidence

Connect with Becky Boyland:

• https://beckyboyland.com
• https://instagram.com/beckyboyland
• https://tiktok.com/beckyboyland
• https://facebook.com/beckyboylandmusic
• https://www.youtube.com/@beckyboyland

Sponsors:

• Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com/blueprint

Featured Song:

• ”You Got Me” by Becky Boyland, written by Becky Joleen Boyland and Christina Ann Casella. Used with permission. All rights reserved.

Timestamps:

• 00:00 SPONSOR: Attitude Creativity
• 01:19 Why Small Steps Matter
• 03:31 The Confidence-Action Loop
• 07:04 The Power of Small, Consistent Steps
• 08:59 Overcoming Resistance and Perfectionism
• 12:33 Building a Confidence Ecosystem
• 14:43 Coda
• 15:46 Featured Song: "You Got Me" by Becky Boyland

Songs from the Podcast Playlist:

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In this episode of Second Verse, host Becky Boyland explores the transformative power of collaboration for indie musicians. She breaks down why working together is crucial, not just in co-writing or production, but also in building community and maintaining accountability. Becky shares her own experiences and provides a step-by-step guide on how to find and foster successful creative partnerships. The episode concludes with her top six benefits of collaborating, emphasizing the importance of community and shared growth in achieving musical success. Tune in to hear inspiring stories and get practical tips to enhance your music journey.

https://youtu.be/6t-Pftkfo6w

Connect with Becky Boyland:

• https://beckyboyland.com
• https://instagram.com/beckyboyland
• https://tiktok.com/beckyboyland
• https://facebook.com/beckyboylandmusic
• https://www.youtube.com/@beckyboyland

Sponsor:

• Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com/blueprint

Featured Song:

• ”Ticket” by Becky Boyland, written by Becky Joleen Boyland. Used with permission. All rights reserved.

Timestamps:

• 00:00 SPONSOR: Attitude Creativity
• 01:19 Episode Introduction
• 03:14 The Myth of the "Solo Genius"
• 05:03 Finding Your Collaborative Match
• 07:46 Building Trust and Creative Chemistry
• 10:53 Collaboration Beyond the Studio
• 13:20  Top 6 Benefits of Collaborating as an Indie Music Artist
• 15:04 Coda
• 16:01 Featured Song: "Ticket" by Becky Boyland

Songs from the Podcast Playlist:

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In this episode of Second Verse, hosted by Becky Boyland, indie music artists are guided on how to create and nurture a creative ecosystem that supports sustainable artistry. Sponsored by Attitude Creativity, the episode covers the importance of establishing an effective website and brand messaging. Becky emphasizes moving from clarity about one's artistic message to building a supportive environment that fosters growth. Key components include creative spaces, people, systems, and sustainability. Listeners are encouraged to develop intentional creative zones, build supportive circles, utilize structured systems, and prioritize rest in their creative journeys.

https://youtu.be/1ja7IxIw9hU

Connect with Becky Boyland:

• https://beckyboyland.com
• https://instagram.com/beckyboyland
• https://tiktok.com/beckyboyland
• https://facebook.com/beckyboylandmusic

Sponsors:

• Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com/blueprint

Featured Song:

• ”Waiting for Wisdom” by Becky Boyland, written by Becky Boyland & Sharon Vaughn. Used with permission. All rights reserved.

Timestamps:

• 00:00 SPONSOR: Attitude Creativity
• 01:19 Episode Introduction
• 02:03 Why Artists Need Creative Ecosystems
• 04:42 The Four Components of a Creative Ecosystem
• 16:25 Why a Creative Ecosystem Matters
• 18:09 Coda
• 19:34 Featured Song: "Waiting for Wisdom”

Featured Music Playlist:

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This episode of Second Verse, sponsored by Attitude Creativity, delves into the importance of clarity for indie music artists. The host discusses how having a clear message can help artists stand out and connect with their audience, emphasizing the need for consistent brand messaging across their website and social platforms. She offers three practical steps to craft a clear message: defining a one-liner that captures the essence of their music, testing it with friends for authenticity, and consistently applying it across all platforms. The episode concludes with the host's encouraging song, “Running on Empty,” which celebrates those who support us in our lives.

https://youtu.be/g0LtDFLgEbc

Connect with Becky Boyland:

• https://beckyboyland.com
• https://instagram.com/beckyboyland
• https://tiktok.com/beckyboyland
• https://facebook.com/beckyboylandmusic

Sponsors:

• Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com/blueprintFeatured Song:
• ”Running on Empty” by Becky Boyland, written by Becky Joleen Boyland. Used with permission. All rights reserved.

Timestamps:

• 00:00 S2E6 How to Clarify Your Message as an Artist
• 01:19 Becky's Welcome & Introduction
• 03:05 Why Clarity Matters
• 05:00 Common Mistakes Artists Make
• 07:33 The Three Elements of an Artist Message
• 14:00 Coda
• 16:13 Three Practical Next Steps
• 17:46 Featured Song: "Running on Empty" by Becky Boyland

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Overcoming Imposter Syndrome: Embracing Your Creative Journey

In this episode of Second Verse, host Becky Boyland explores the impacts of imposter syndrome on indie music artists and the ways it hinders their creative journeys. Becky shares her personal stories and insights from interviews with fellow artists to shed light on the pervasive nature of doubt as they navigate their second act in music. The episode delves into mindset challenges, offering three practical shifts: reframing fear, finding connection over comparison, and rooting identity in story, not stats. Becky emphasizes the importance of embracing one's authenticity and pushing through self-doubt to share one's art with the world. Tune in for actionable insights, motivational anecdotes, and strategies to overcome creative fears.

Connect with Becky Boyland:

• https://beckyboyland.com
• https://instagram.com/beckyboyland
• https://tiktok.com/beckyboyland
• https://facebook.com/beckyboylandmusic

Sponsors:

• Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com/blueprint

Featured Song:

• ”Washed Away” by Becky Boyland, written by Becky Boyland & Rick Molloy. Used with permission. All rights reserved.

Related Episodes:

• Rick Molloy: https://youtu.be/AVowKYaPprU
• Bob Strachan: https://youtu.be/-YO_REsMHRs
• Greig Watts: https://youtu.be/jqO8KXZ9LUQ
• Bree Noble: https://youtu.be/vMHK04GMNpk
• Benjamin Kintisch: https://youtu.be/tJKaNe4EFDc
• Kelly Hastings: https://youtu.be/sth9eXvXbdM

Timestamps:

• 00:00 SPONSOR: Attitude Creativity
• 01:19 Episode Intro: Imposter Syndrome
• 02:45 Why We Feel Like Imposters
• 06:15 How Imposter Syndrome Shows Up for Creatives
• 08:06 Three Shifts that Help You Push Through
• 13:44 Coda
• 15:14 Featured Song: "Washed Away" by Becky Boyland

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Crafting a Musical Journey: Steven McDonald's Return to Songwriting

In this episode of Second Verse, host Becky welcomes songwriter and lawyer Steven McDonald from Edinburgh, Scotland. They explore his musical journey, starting from his early influences in a musically rich family to his pandemic-driven return to songwriting. Steven shares insights on balancing his legal career with his music passion, the significance of physical music formats, and the value of perseverance. With his debut album Songs About Love, Steven illustrates how meaningful music can be created in life's second act. The conversation emphasizes the importance of pursuing passions without regrets, fostering a supportive community, and the diverse avenues available for indie artists.

Connect with Steven McDonald:

https://linktr.ee/stevenmcdonaldhttps://www.tallboyperformingarts.co.uk/https://instagram.com/tallboyperformingartshttps://shop.lastnightfromglasgow.com/products/steven-mcdonald-songs-about-love-lp-cd-dl-pre-orderSponsors:

Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com/blueprint

Singing / Straw: https://secondverse.com/singingstraw (affiliate link, 10% coupon auto-applied, or use code “secondverse”)

Featured Song:

”Songs About Love” by Steven McDonald, written by Steven McDonald. Used with permission. All rights reserved.

Timestamps:

00:00 Teaser: Steven McDonald Interview

02:03 Welcoming Steven McDonald

02:11 Early Musical Influences

03:44 Transition to Law and Return to Music

04:18 Songwriting During the Pandemic

07:25 Current Projects and Album Promotion

09:23 The Vinyl and CD Resurgence

16:43 Musical Influences and Mentorship

19:23 SPONSOR: Attitude Creativity

20:44 SPONSOR: Singing / Straw

21:41 Balancing Music and Law

37:34 Advice for Aspiring Musicians

41:28 Conclusion and How to Support

43:42 Coda

45:26 Featured Song: "Songs About Love" by Steven McDonald

Stream all the released music from Second Verse any time! Add the official Songs from the Second Verse Podcast playlist to your Spotify now! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5lPUAY9uBYVVg9fmy03Bj3?si=5211c2db80334285Starting your own podcast? Sign up with Captivate to host your show today! https://fas.st/t/ZHbLxEpe (affiliate link)

Rediscovering Dreams: Bree Noble's Journey from Finance to Music Entrepreneurship

In this episode of Second Verse, host Becky Boyland interviews Bree Noble, a singer-songwriter who transitioned from being a finance director at an opera company to founding Women of Substance Radio. Bree shares her experience of pivoting from a corporate career to pursuing her passion for music, emphasizing the importance of confidence, community, and treating art as a business. She discusses how she managed to sustain her music career through strategic planning and leveraging connections, while also offering valuable advice for artists looking to reignite their musical dreams. This episode provides inspiring insights into balancing responsibility with passion and the power of mentorship and community in achieving artistic goals.

Connect with Bree:

• https://profitablemusician.com
• https://instagram.com/profitablemusicianllc
• https://www.wosradio.com/

Sponsors:

• Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com/blueprint
• Singing / Straw: https://secondverse.com/singingstraw (affiliate link, 10% coupon auto-applied, or use code “secondverse”)

Featured Song:

• ”Healing Waters” by Bree Noble, written by Bree Noble. Used with permission. All rights reserved.

Timestamps:

• 00:00 Interview Teaser
• 00:29 Introduction
• 01:55 Welcome and Early Love for Music
• 02:30 High School Choir and Musical Journey
• 03:40 College and Discovering a Passion for Business
• 06:40 Balancing Music and a Practical Career
• 10:33 Transition to Finance and Opera Company Experience
• 14:02 Health Challenges and Life Changes
• 16:55 Building a Music Career and Forming a Band
• 22:18 Launching Women of Substance
• 26:05 Discovering the Power of Speaking in Music Programs
• 26:49 The Evolution of Keynote Concerts
• 29:22 Adapting to Changes in the Music Industry
• 30:28 Building a Music Career as an Independent Artist
• 33:00 SPONSOR: Attitude Creativity
• 34:21 SPONSOR: Singing / Straw
• 35:19 The Importance of Community and Mentorship
• 43:06 Balancing Multiple Roles and Responsibilities
• 45:35 Encouragement for Aspiring Musicians
• 51:03 Connecting and Learning with Profitable Musician Show
• 52:34 Coda
• 54:31 Featured Song: "Healing Waters" by Bree Noble

Songs from the Podcast Playlist:

• Stream all the released music from Second Verse any time! Add the official Songs from the Second Verse Podcast playlist to your Spotify now! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5lPUAY9uBYVVg9fmy03Bj3?si=5211c2db80334285

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Finding Harmony in Hospice: Benjamin Kintisch's Journey with Life Review: The Hospice Musical

In this episode of Second Verse, host Becky Boyland speaks with Benjamin Kintisch, a chaplain, music teacher, and cantor, about his transformation from a cantor to the creator of Life Review: The Hospice Musical. Kintisch shares how chaplaincy experiences shaped his musical, emphasizing music as a medium for healing and connection. The discussion covers imposter syndrome, the importance of saying yes to creative opportunities, and the evolution of Life Review through the COVID pandemic. He offers insights into song co-writing, community support, and finding joy through musical exploration. The episode concludes by inspiring listeners to share their authentic stories and build circles of collaborators and supporters.

Connect with Ben:

• Web: lifereviewmusical.com
• Instagram: @lifereviewmusical

Resources:

• Sue Horowitz, JSCR (Jewish Songwriter Cooperative Retreat), Album: Notes from the Garrison: https://www.suehorowitz.com/
• Alex Palting, The Hustling Creative: https://www.alexandramariapalting.com/
• End-of-Life University Podcast, https://eolupodcast.com/
• Today We Laughed… and Learned Podcast, https://www.instagram.com/todaywelaughedandlearned/

Sponsors:

• Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com/blueprint
• Singing / Straw: https://secondverse.com/singingstraw (affiliate link, 10% coupon auto-applied, or use code “secondverse”)

Timestamps:

• 00:00 Benjamin Kintisch Interview Teaser
• 00:23 Introduction
• 01:27 Welcome and Early Musical Influences
• 03:11 Transition to Cantor and Teaching
• 04:56 Becoming a Chaplain and Musical Inspiration
• 08:00 Creating and Performing Life Review
• 23:55 SPONSOR: Attitude Creativity
• 25:14 SPONSOR: Singing / Straw
• 26:15 How Comedy and Music Help with the Hard Conversations
• 30:46 COVID-19 Impact and Adaptation
• 36:51 The Power of Support in Creative Projects
• 37:43 Navigating the COVID Era and Fringe Festivals
• 38:59 The Importance of Scheduling and Follow-ups
• 40:47 Collaborations and Overcoming Imposter Syndrome
• 42:01 The Journey of a Creative: From Ideas to Execution
• 46:25 Encouraging Musical Exploration
• 47:37 The Role of Hobbies in a Creative Life
• 49:02 The Impact of Retreats and Songwriting Prompts
• 53:29 Leveraging Social Media for Creative Projects
• 56:07 Final Thoughts and Encouragement
• 59:11 Coda

Stream all the released music from Second Verse any time! Add the official Songs from the Second Verse Podcast playlist to your Spotify now! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5lPUAY9uBYVVg9fmy03Bj3?si=5211c2db80334285

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Trusting the Long Winding Road with Bryan Boliver: Embracing Creativity and Faith in Music

In this episode of Second Verse, host Becky Boyland speaks with Bryan Boliver, a singer-songwriter, worship leader, producer, and content creator. Bryan shares his inspiring journey from rock band dreams to worship ministry and full-time music production, emphasizing the importance of enjoying the craft of creating. The discussion highlights overcoming perfectionism, the role of technology in enhancing abilities, and the value of collaboration. Bryan's story underscores that God's timing is perfect and that each detour can be part of a bigger plan. The episode concludes with a new worship song, “New Covenant,” by Rock Harbor Worship.

CONNECT WITH BRYAN:

• https://www.bryanbolivermusic.com/
• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/bryanboliver
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bryanboliver
• https://open.spotify.com/artist/2xdw8Aa0DRetWarKBDZlwi?si=AIqSBidBSfGp-f-76n2Bog
• https://open.spotify.com/artist/6SdDJBb9TYPG2wAHAs7iXP?si=sXMjikYQT96WnF3sj4QRyw

Sponsors:

• Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com/blueprint
• Singing / Straw: https://secondverse.com/singingstraw (affiliate link, 10% coupon auto-applied, or use code “secondverse”)

Featured Song:

• ”New Covenant” by Rock Harbor Worship, written by Bryan Boliver, Chase Buchanan & Aaron Hoskins. Used with permission. All rights reserved.

Timestamps:

• 00:00 Bryan Boliver Interview Teaser
• 00:14 Introduction
• 01:55 Welcome, Bryan Boliver
• 02:12 Early Musical Influences
• 04:13 Aspirations and Early Band Experiences
• 05:54 The Turning Point: Meeting Suzy
• 07:59 Return to Music and New Opportunities
• 11:36 Navigating the Music Industry
• 15:18 The Importance of Flexibility and Relationships
• 19:55 The Creative Process and Overcoming Perfectionism
• 27:51 Faith, Music, and Purpose
• 32:41 The Emotional Power of Music
• 33:48 Discovering a Path in Music
• 35:24 Sponsor: Attitude Creativity
• 36:45 Sponsor: Singing / Straw
• 37:42 Journey into Music Production
• 40:13 Transition to Full-Time Music Production
• 44:52 Navigating Visual Impairment in Music
• 52:09 Encouragement for Aspiring Musicians
• 55:46 The Importance of Capturing Inspiration
• 01:00:47 Where to Find Bryan Online
• 01:02:15 Coda
• 01:03:51 Featured Song: "New Covenant”

Playlist:

Stream all the released music from Second Verse any time! Add the official Songs from the Second Verse Podcast playlist to your Spotify now! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5lPUAY9uBYVVg9fmy03Bj3?si=5211c2db80334285

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00:00 Introduction to Second Verse

00:20 Recap of Season 1

00:54 What's Coming in Season 2

01:34 Becky's Personal Insights

01:58 Encouragement for Creatives

02:26 Join the Second Verse Community

Finding Your Second Verse: Stories of Returning to Music Against All Odds

In this special episode of Second Verse, host Becky Boyland celebrates the completion of season one by revisiting powerful moments from the podcast. With inspiring stories from artists like Adassa, Kelly Hastings, Rick Molloy, and many more, Becky explores the journeys of musicians who returned to their passion after facing life-changing challenges. From vocal paralysis to career shifts, these stories highlight the power of community, mentorship, and the belief that it's never too late to follow your dreams. Whether you're just starting or reigniting your passion for music, this episode is a tribute to the resilience and healing power of creativity.

Sponsors:

• Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com/blueprint
• Singing / Straw: https://secondverse.com/singingstraw (affiliate link, 10% coupon auto-applied, or use code “secondverse”)

Featured Song:

• ”What You Mean to Me” by Becky Boyland, written by Becky Joleen Boyland. Used with permission. All rights reserved.

Timestamps:

• 00:00 Teaser Clip
• 00:57 Introduction to the Season Finale of Second Verse
• 02:42 The Call Back to Music
• 05:58 The Journey Through Darkness
• 10:14 Sponsor: Attitude Creativity
• 11:30 Sponsor: Singing / Straw
• 12:32 Finding Your Tribe
• 16:30 Starting Small, Dreaming Big
• 19:23 Coda: Your Second Verse Awaits
• 23:51 Featured Song: "What You Mean to Me" by Becky Boyland

In this episode of Second Verse, host Becky Boyland sits down with Ryan Pryor, Founder of Inglewood Instruments and creator of the Cumberland dulcimer guitar. Ryan shares his unique journey from studying music in college to pivoting through various careers before discovering a new passion for designing instruments. Listen in as they discuss the importance of making music accessible, the process of instrument innovation, and how trying something different can reignite creativity. Perfect for both beginners and seasoned musicians, this episode offers inspiration and practical insights.

Sponsors:

• Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com/blueprint
• Singing / Straw: https://secondverse.com/singingstraw (affiliate link, 10% coupon auto-applied, or use code “secondverse”)

Connect with Ryan Pryor:

• Website: https://heyinglewood.com/
• Email: hey@heyinglewood.com
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/heyinglewood
• Instagram: @heyinglewood https://www.instagram.com/heyinglewood/
• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-2ohSzzPjX60ulbn5ruE1g

Timestamps:

• 00:00 Teaser Clip: Ryan Pryor of Inglewood Instruments
• 00:34 Becky's Intro
• 01:54 Welcoming Ryan
• 02:04 Ryan's Early Musical Journey
• 03:38 High School and Discovering Music Theory
• 06:31 College Years and Audio Engineering
• 07:21 Post-College Career Path
• 09:21 Discovering the Dulcimer
• 11:16 Building and Innovating Dulcimers
• 11:38 The Cumberland Model and Its Features
• 16:37 Sponsor: Attitude Creativity
• 17:58 Sponsor: Singing / Straw
• 18:56 Discovering the Inglewood Dulcimer Guitar
• 22:09 Discussing Instrument Design and Playability
• 29:32 Exploring New Headspaces with Capos
• 31:39 The Unique Characteristics of Diatonic Instruments
• 33:55 Introduction to Inglewood Play Education Courses
• 35:06 Beginner Course Details and Learning Path
• 36:37 Challenges and Benefits of Learning Music Online
• 44:36 Future Aspirations and New Instrument Ideas
• 47:04 Blending Acoustic and Electric Instruments
• 52:17 Combining Different Musical Influences
• 54:15 Where to Find More Information and Courses
• 55:39 Coda

In this episode of Second Verse, host Becky Boyland converses with Kelly Hastings, a resilient singer-songwriter and mother of six, who reached the semi-finals on The Voice UK in 2023 and competed in Y Llais (the Welsh version of The Voice). Kelly shares her inspiring journey of returning to music after raising her children, the empowering experience of pursuing dreams later in life, and the healing power of songwriting. This candid discussion delves into overcoming rejection, the importance of mental health awareness, and the transformative force of music. It's a must-listen for anyone feeling the whisper of unfulfilled dreams and needing encouragement to take that leap.

Second Verse website

Support Second Verse

Sponsors:

• Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com/blueprint
• Singing / Straw: https://secondverse.com/singingstraw (affiliate link, 10% coupon auto-applied, or use code “secondverse”)

Connect with Kelly Hastings:

• Facebook @kellyhastingsofficial https://www.facebook.com/kellyhastingsofficial
• Instagram @kelhast81 https://www.instagram.com/kelhast81/
• TikTok @kellyhastings938 https://www.tiktok.com/@kellyhastings938

Timestamps:

• 00:00 Teaser Clip: Kelly Hastings
• 00:37 Introduction to the Episode
• 02:00 Welcoming Kelly Hastings
• 02:12 Early Musical Influences
• 03:15 Balancing Family and Music
• 04:02 Family's Musical Journey
• 04:49 Reentering the Music Scene
• 08:04 The Voice UK Experience
• 11:19 Welsh Voice Adventure
• 14:42 Current Musical Pursuits
• 15:58 Mental Health and Music
• 25:28 Sponsor: Attitude Creativity
• 26:49 Sponsor: Singing / Straw
• 27:46 Creative Process and Influences
• 42:51 Encouragement for Aspiring Artists
• 45:31 Coda

In this episode of Second Verse, host Becky Boyland dives deep into how neurodivergence, particularly ADHD, manifests in the lives of artists and why it is often a hidden superpower. Becky shares her personal journey of navigating ADHD, from the initial chaotic symptoms to the profound sense of relief and empowerment upon getting a diagnosis. The episode explores the intersection of neurodivergence and creativity, illustrating how differences in brain wiring contribute to musical innovation and artistic inspiration. It also offers actionable advice on embracing these unique traits to enhance one's creative process. Tune in to learn about the role of neurodivergence in fostering a rich, creative life and discover valuable resources to support your journey.

FREE WORKSHEET: “YOUR CREATIVE MAP”

• https://secondversepod.com/?ff_landing=5&form=neurodivergent-artist

SPONSORS:

• Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com/blueprint
• Singing / Straw: https://secondverse.com/singingstraw (affiliate link, 10% coupon auto-applied, or use code “secondverse”)

REFERENCES:

1. https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/symptoms/23154-neurodivergent
2. https://www.additudemag.com/attention-deficit-disorder-vast/?srsltid=AfmBOoooK-0PzSTJ-SF5tJKIvFFoa13GEW0w2v8JzVIHPPDId8ZJ9jre
3. https://www.science.org/content/article/disorder-or-difference-autism-researchers-face-over-field-s-terminology
4. https://resources.healthgrades.com/right-care/adhd/9-surprising-facts-about-childhood-adhd-attention-deficit-hyperactivity-disorder#:~:text=1.%20ADHD%20was%20first%20recognized%20in%201902.%20The%20symptoms%20of%20attention-deficit%2Fhyperactivity%20disorder%20were%20first%20described%20in%201902%2C%20when%20clinicians%20noticed%20that%20some%20children%20were%20more%20inattentive%2C%20impulsive%20and%20hyperactive%20than%20others.
5. https://www.autism.org.uk/advice-and-guidance/what-is-autism/the-history-of-autism
6. https://resources.healthgrades.com/right-care/adhd/9-surprising-facts-about-childhood-adhd-attention-deficit-hyperactivity-disorder#:~:text=1.%20ADHD%20was%20first%20recognized%20in%201902.%20The%20symptoms%20of%20attention-deficit%2Fhyperactivity%20disorder%20were%20first%20described%20in%201902%2C%20when%20clinicians%20noticed%20that%20some%20children%20were%20more%20inattentive%2C%20impulsive%20and%20hyperactive%20than%20others.
7. https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisafalco/2024/11/05/helping-women-navigate-adhd-autism-and-hormonal-health/
8. https://www.hunterinafarmersworld.com/about
9. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12047549/
10. https://www.cdc.gov/adhd/data/index.html
11. https://www.cdc.gov/autism/data-research/index.html

RESOURCES:

• Cleveland Clinic - Neurodivergent: https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/symptoms/23154-neurodivergent
• ADDCA ADHD & Life Coach Training: https://addca.com
• Autism Research Institute: https://autism.org
• National Autistic Society: https://autism.org.uk
• ADHD Online: https://adhdonline.com
• How to ADHD: https://howtoadhd.com
• ADHD Women’s Wellbeing: https://www.adhdwomenswellbeing.co.uk
• The Hallowell ADHD Centers: https://drhallowell.com
• Tracy Otsuka: https://adhdforsmartwomen.com

FEATURED SONG:

• ”I Don’t Have Time” by Becky Boyland, written by Becky Joleen Boyland. Used with permission.

TIMESTAMPS:

• 00:00 Teaser Clip: Becky Boyland and ADHD
• 00:33 Welcome and My Neurodivergence Story
• 07:10 Defining the Neurodivergence Landscape
• 15:29 Sponsor: Attitude Creativity
• 16:50 Sponsor: Singing / Straw
• 17:47 The Artist's Brain
• 21:19 The Shame Spiral
• 25:56 Why This Matters to Neurodivergent Artists Now
• 28:52 Wrap-Up: Action & Encouragement
• 30:55 Featured Song: "I Don't Have Time" by Becky Boyland

In this episode of Second Verse, host Becky Boyland chats with David Rosen, a versatile indie artist whose journey spans from growing up in a family-owned record store to producing rap music, composing film scores, and creating comedy rock about his pets. David shares the importance of letting one creative endeavor fuel another, and reveals insights into building long-term collaborative relationships. From using different DAWs to making movie-inspired music and creating eclectic projects like The Pup Pups, David's story is a testament to stacking your passions wherever they lead. Tune in for an inspiring conversation packed with actionable advice for any indie artist.

Sponsors:

• Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com/blueprint
• Singing / Straw: https://secondverse.com/singingstraw (affiliate link, 10% coupon auto-applied, or use code “secondverse”)

Connect with David Rosen:

• https://www.bydavidrosen.com
• https://www.youtube.com/musicbydavidrosen
• https://open.spotify.com/artist/6DmD8UrO4UEjz3aYdz1nbZ?si=N6eFFOf8S1SUHoaKDbgJYQ
• https://open.spotify.com/artist/7MZZckZ0jCfm53FpAPsU7z?si=FZw06SN2RYOn8D6FeMdZqA
• https://www.facebook.com/bydavidrosen
• https://www.piecingpod.com
• https://twitter.com/piecingpod
• https://instagram.com/piecingpod
• https://www.awesomemovieyear.com

Timestamps:

• 00:00 Teaser Clip: David Rosen
• 00:24 Becky's Welcome and Introduction
• 01:32 Welcoming David and Early Musical Influences
• 02:41 Discovering a Passion for Music
• 03:48 Early Musical Ventures
• 10:50 Transition to Film Scoring
• 20:00 The Pup Pups: A Unique Musical Project
• 25:04 Sponsor: Attitude Creativity
• 26:25 Sponsor: Singing / Straw
• 27:22 Music Videos and Collaborations
• 28:35 Upcoming Album and Projects
• 35:47 Podcasting Journey
• 43:11 Advice for Independent Artists
• 44:04 Final Thoughts and Connecting with David
• 46:34 The Coda
• 47:47 Featured Song: "How to Start a Fire" by David Rosen

In this episode of Second Verse, host Becky Boyland chats with Phil Lovell, a retired teacher turned songwriter who crafts thoughtful songs in English and Welsh. Phil shares his journey from nurturing his musical passion quietly while working in education for over 30 years to diving fully into songwriting and performing after retirement. They discuss Phil’s creative process, the impact of music on culture, the challenges of self-promotion, and the importance of pursuing one’s passion at any stage in life. Phil’s story emphasizes that creativity deepens with time and offers inspiration for anyone who thinks they’ve missed their chance. Stay tuned for his energetic Welsh song, 'Dw i’n canu fy nghân.'

Sponsors:

• Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com/blueprint
• Singing / Straw: https://secondverse.com/singingstraw (affiliate link, 10% coupon auto-applied, or use code “secondverse”)

Connect with Phil Lovell (Baglanbren):

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/baglanbren/
• X: https://x.com/baglanbren
• TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@baglanbren

Phil’s Music:

• https://open.spotify.com/album/18FSt8LPogmNTxZuac3CCK?si=uD86_3SCRKCxBANCBKfknQ
• https://youtu.be/pYI8NEInZWA?si=Io1MNIuZsYfA9XTT
• https://youtu.be/D_Z4DvpRgwc?si=C-Wsppn3oA6hi89P

Featured Song:

“Dw i’n canu fy nghân” by Phil Lovell / Baglanbren, written by Phil Lovell (used with permission).

Timestamps:

• 00:00 Teaser Clip: Phil Lovell
• 00:27 Episode Intro
• 01:49 Welcome Phil and Early Musical Influences
• 03:36 Teaching and Songwriting Journey
• 04:51 Reconnecting with Former Students
• 05:37 Welsh Music Competitions and Traditions
• 06:45 Transitioning Back to Music After Retirement
• 07:18 Songwriting Courses and Collaborations
• 09:29 Performing and Recording Experiences
• 16:26 Sponsor: Attitude Creativity
• 17:47 Sponsor: Singing / Straw
• 18:45 Challenges and Rewards of Songwriting
• 25:23 The Importance of Arts in Education
• 34:18 Influences from the Past
• 36:50 The Craft of Songwriting
• 40:58 Realistic Advice for Aspiring Musicians
• 48:36 Conclusion and Farewell
• 49:38 The Coda
• 51:24 Featured Song: Dw i’n canu fy nghân

In this episode of the Second Verse podcast, host Becky Boyland interviews Greig Watts, a music publisher and songwriting mentor who transitioned from a career in banking to co-founding DWB Music. Watts shares his inspiring journey of pursuing his passion for music, the importance of mentorship, and the power of saying 'yes' to opportunities. He discusses developing and guiding songwriters, the significance of being accountable, and how to keep the creative spark alive. Greig's story is a testament to the courage needed to follow your dreams and the rewards that come from perseverance and open-mindedness.

Sponsors:

• Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com/blueprint
• Singing / Straw: https://secondverse.com/singingstraw (affiliate link, 10% coupon auto-applied, or use code “secondverse”)

Follow Greig Watts & DWB Music:

• DWB Website: https://www.dwbmusicgroup.com/
• DWB Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dwbmusic/
• DWB Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DwbMusicLtd/
• DWB Songwriting Mentors: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100089439048327
• Greig Watts Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/greig.watts

Timestamps:

• 00:00 Teaser Clip
• 00:37 Introduction
• 01:55 Welcome and Early Influences
• 02:57 Teenage Years and Musical Growth
• 06:47 Balancing Music and Career
• 08:48 Transition to Full-Time Music
• 11:17 Sponsor: Attitude Creativity
• 12:36 Sponsor: Singing / Straw
• 13:33 Founding DWB
• 14:32 Mentorship and Development
• 21:04 Diversifying in the Music Industry
• 24:35 The Power of Getting Your Song Heard
• 26:52 Mentorship and the Journey to Success
• 28:52 The Importance of Saying Yes
• 31:47 The Value of Co-Writing and Collaboration
• 32:27 Writing and Releasing a Book
• 35:10 Learning from Failures and Moving Forward
• 37:10 Joining the Mentorship Program
• 39:54 Building a Community of Songwriters
• 44:08 Final Thoughts and Advice for Indie Artists
• 47:38 The Coda

Join host Becky Boyland on the Second Verse podcast as she chats with Chris Evans, an alt/indie rock artist, songwriter, and producer known as AudioGust. Dive into Chris's fascinating journey from '80s rock bands to a successful software career and back to music. Learn how he built his own soundproof studio, released over three dozen songs, and collaborates with artists worldwide. Chris shares valuable insights on balancing logic and heart, finding creative joy, and approaching music with a blend of precision and play. Discover how Chris handles writer’s block, his perspective on perfectionism, and the importance of community in music. Perfect for indie artists and creatives ready to find their Second Verse in music.

Sponsors:

• Attitude Creativity: https://attitudecreativity.com/blueprint
• Singing / Straw: https://secondverse.com/singingstraw (affiliate link, 10% coupon auto-applied)

Follow Chris Evans / AudioGust:

• Website: https://audiogust.com
• Instagram: @audiogustmusic (https://www.instagram.com/audiogustmusic)
• Threads: @audiogustmusic (https://www.threads.com/@audiogustmusic)
• Bandcamp: https://audiogust.bandcamp.com

Featured Song:

“Here We Go Again” by AudioGust, written by Chris Evans (used with permission). Stream or buy wherever you get your music.

Timestamps:

• 00:00 Teaser Clip
• 00:31 Welcome and Introduction
• 01:36 Music in Chris's Early Life
• 02:40 College Years and Early Career
• 03:50 Transition to Software
• 05:53 Retirement and Return to Music
• 07:17 Songwriting and Production
• 14:06 Finding an Audience
• 17:58 The Creative Process
• 20:03 Sponsor: Attitude Creativity
• 21:24 Sponsor: Singing / Straw
• 22:22 Loving, and Finishing, Songs
• 25:31 Releasing Music and Growth
• 35:41 Storytelling in Songs
• 37:19 Empathy in Songwriting
• 41:44 Transitioning Careers
• 45:26 The Joy of Creating Music
• 47:24 Advice for Aspiring Songwriters
• 49:54 The Importance of Inspiration
• 56:40 Where to Follow AudioGust
• 57:48 The Coda
• 59:27 Featured Song: "Here We Go Again" by AudioGust

In this deeply personal episode, host Becky Boyland shares her compelling journey of overcoming vocal trauma following major spine surgery. Initially facing the terrifying possibility of never singing again due to a paralyzed vocal cord, Becky describes the emotional and physical challenges she faced. She highlights the pivotal role of vocal coach Whitney Nichole, who introduced Becky to transformative techniques like straw phonation. Together, they worked meticulously to rebuild her voice, ultimately leading Becky to new vocal heights. This episode is a testament to perseverance, hope, and the power of music to heal. Tune in to hear this inspiring story and Becky's latest single, “Loving You.”

Resources:

• About Whitney Nichole
• The Singing / Straw Website with 10% discount (or use coupon code "secondverse")
• The Singing / Straw YouTube Channel
• Songbird Studios

Featured Song:

• ”Loving You” by Becky Boyland, written by Philip Lovell and Becky Boyland. Used with permission. All rights reserved.
• Add to your library now: https://hypeddit.com/beckyboyland/lovingyou

Timestamps:

• 00:00 Sponsor: Attitude Creativity
• 01:19 Teaser: My Story of Vocal Healing
• 01:33 Intro: Setting the Stage
• 01:46 The Unexpected Loss
• 03:54 Healing and Complication
• 08:05 Searching for Solutions and the Start of the Journey Back
• 09:09 Vocal Coaching
• 11:33 Lessons, and Not Just the Voice Kind
• 14:25 Conversation with Whitney Nichole
• 51:06 Conclusion and the Ongoing Journey
• 52:13 Featured Song: "Loving You”

In this episode of the Second Verse podcast, host Becky Boyland interviews Tia Hoffer, who has successfully transitioned from being an FBI Special Agent to a production music composer. They discuss Tia's early love for music, her fascinating career in psychology and law enforcement, and the mindset shifts that led her to pursue a music career later in life. Tia shares insights on the importance of starting imperfectly, protecting creative energy, and the numerous opportunities available in music beyond traditional artist roles. She also talks about her creative process, the therapeutic aspect of music, and her aspirations in the production music industry. The episode emphasizes the significance of taking small steps toward one's dreams and the value of community and mentorship in overcoming challenges.

Connect with Tia:

• Website: zeninumusic.com
• Instagram: @zeninumusic
• Facebook: Tia Alane

Resources:

• Produce Like a Boss
• Production Music Masterclass

Timestamps:

• 00:00 Teaser Clip
• 00:25 Episode Introduction
• 01:49 Welcome to Tia and Early Musical Influences
• 02:30 Exploring Career Opportunities in Music
• 05:35 Psychology and FBI Career Journey
• 07:48 Transition to Music Production
• 09:12 Learning and Growing in Music Production
• 15:00 Creative Process and Musical Style
• 17:23 Challenges and Future Goals
• 26:18 Sponsor: Attitude Creativity
• 27:40 Focusing on Production Music
• 28:12 Medical Challenges and Reevaluating Priorities
• 29:38 Psychological Insights for Musicians
• 36:48 Social Media and Branding Challenges
• 44:52 Advice for Aspiring Musicians
• 52:16 The Importance of Music in Media
• 53:14 Conclusion and Contact Information
• 54:15 Becky's Wrap-Up
• 56:22 Featured Song: "Shame" by Kai Z

In this episode of Second Verse, host Becky Boyland interviews Alfredo Paz, known professionally as Elephant Ears—a talented producer, songwriter, and sound designer. Alfredo shares his journey of leaving and then rediscovering his passion for music after years in the sound engineering and film industry. He discusses the significance of collaboration, the challenges of balancing life and creativity, and the emotional depth he brings to his music. Highlights include Alfredo's insights on the music industry, his unique creation processes, and the importance of authenticity and community in creative work.

Connect with Alfredo Paz (Elephant Ears):

• Website: www.elephantears.co.uk
• Instagram: @elephant_ears_audio
• Facebook: elephant_ears_audio
• Linktree: https://linktr.ee/elephant_ears_audio

Featured Song:

”Black Ink” by Elephant Ears feat. Dom Durner and Giulio Romano Malaisi, written by Johanna Lundström and Alfredo Paz (used with permission).

Timestamps:

00:00 Teaser Clip

00:20 Episode Introduction

01:25 Welcoming Alfredo

01:46 Early Musical Influences

02:32 Learning Music and Early Challenges

05:49 Professional Beginnings and Break

08:15 Transition to Sound Engineering

09:58 Return to Music During the Pandemic

14:25 The Birth of Elephant Ears

16:22 Collaborations and Musical Style

24:06 Sponsor: Attitude Creativity

25:28 Challenges of Balancing Music and Life

29:28 The Role of Authenticity in Music

30:21 Encouragement for Aspiring Musicians

34:28 The Value of Collaboration

36:15 Promoting Your Music Effectively

37:46 Where to Find and Support the Artist

41:05 Wrap-Up and Final Thoughts

42:36 Featured Song: "Black Ink”

In this episode of Second Verse, host Becky Boyland interviews Adassa, the bilingual Afro-Latina voice actress, singer, and songwriter. Adassa shares her remarkable journey of resilience, from facing a sudden health crisis and total paralysis to achieving a breakout role as Dolores Madrigal in Disney's Encanto. The conversation touches on the importance of community, consistency, and authenticity in the music industry. Adassa also offers practical tips and wisdom for indie artists striving to find their voice and purpose in challenging times.

Connect with Adassa:

• Website
• TikTok
• Instagram
• Twitter / X
• YouTube
• Facebook

Timestamps:

00:00 Teaser Clip

00:33 Introduction

02:40 Welcoming Adassa

02:59 Early Musical Beginnings

03:59 First Steps into Professional Music

06:25 Career Highlights and Family Decisions

07:17 Sponsor: Attitude Creativity

08:40 Behind the Scenes

11:21 Unexpected Opportunity with Disney

16:37 Health Crisis and Personal Struggles

23:22 Miraculous Recovery and Recording for Encanto

25:49 Embracing New Skills and Perspectives

26:39 Relearning and Patience

27:31 Finding Your Voice Through Adversity

28:22 Building a Supportive Community

30:46 The Importance of Mentorship

34:56 Balancing Family and Career

37:38 Prioritizing and Achieving Goals

45:32 Advice for Aspiring Artists

48:29 Conclusion and Gratitude

49:31 Wrap-Up and Takeaways

In this episode, Becky welcomes Cindy Slee to discuss her profound journey from a musically inspired childhood to a dedicated nurse, and finally becoming a full-time musician after being diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis. Cindy shares how her early love for music, fostered by her family's influence, evolved from enjoying the piano stylings of Liberace to mastering the guitar influenced by The Beatles. Despite a thriving nursing career, her love for music persisted, eventually becoming her primary focus. Cindy delves into how her MS diagnosis necessitated a career shift, leading her to embrace music fully. She discusses her experiences with a church band, forming a gospel group, producing music for ads, and her recent endeavor to inspire others through keynote concerts. Cindy highlights the importance of seizing opportunities and finding a silver lining in adversity. The episode underscores resilience, passion, and the power of following one's true calling. Then stick around to hear her original song 'Once in a Lifetime.'

Connect with Cindy:

• https://www.cindysleemusic.com
• https://www.cynthiakeynoteconcerts.com
• Apple Music / iTunes: https://music.apple.com/us/artist/cindy-slee/895299558
• Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/6yogaOgnhXk25JSOoF98Vo?si=A8IDpmRsSQyx7ThoG5_U8w
• YouTube Music: https://music.youtube.com/channel/UCAWuHRMiJjF2VVmbh6-6Hiw?si=-FNzGJvzfN11DkBx

Featured Song:

“Once In A Lifetime” by Cindy Slee, written by Cynthia L. Slee (used with permission).

Timestamps:

00:00 Teaser Clip

00:26 Introduction

03:01 Welcome and Early Musical Influences

04:28 Family Influence and Career Path

06:22 Transition from Nursing to Music

07:42 Building a Music Career

09:42 Learning and Growing During COVID

11:24 Sponsor: Attitude Creativity

12:46 Collaboration from (Virtually) Anywhere

17:35 Keynote Concerts and Future Plans

25:47 Advice and Final Thoughts

28:54 Wrap-Up and Conclusion

31:20 Featured Song: "Once in a Lifetime" by Cindy Slee

In this special solo episode of the Second Verse podcast, host Becky Boyland shares her inspiring personal journey to her music dream. She emphasizes that it's never too late to return to your passion, offering her own story as proof. The episode covers her early love for music, including her journey from playing trumpet in high school to studying Bible and Educational Ministries in college. A pivotal moment came when she rediscovered the guitar, which took her musical passion to a new level. The host also touches on her battle with self-doubt, her discovery of being neurodivergent, and the importance of community and mentors in her musical evolution. She interweaves stories from past guests, highlighting the powerful lessons they've taught her. The episode concludes with an emotional song called 'It's Your Story Now' that delves into reclaiming one's life.

Featured Song:

”It’s Your Story Now” by Becky Boyland is written and produced by Becky Boyland. Used with permission. https://hypeddit.com/beckyboyland/itsyourstorynow

Timestamps:

00:00 Teaser Clip

00:17 Welcome and Introduction

01:18 The First Verse: Early Dreams & Quiet Longing

03:59 New Perspective: One Scroll, One Spark

05:00 Leveling Up: Putting in the Work

05:59 My Second Verse Now

07:00 What I've Learned from My Guests

07:52 The ADHD Discovery: This Is How I'm Wired

09:01 What Comes Next: Your Second Verse

10:20 Your Turn to Take Action

11:04 Song: "It's Your Story Now”

In this episode of 'Second Verse,' host Becky Boyland interviews Bob Strachan, an award-winning singer-songwriter from Scotland. Bob shares his journey of returning to music during the lockdown after initial success in the 2000s. He discusses his upbringing amidst diverse musical influences, experiences of personal loss, and how music has been a pivotal tool for healing and reconnecting with his roots. Bob opens up about dealing with grief over his father's death, his experiences with cult-like churches, and his diagnosis of neurodivergence. His journey highlights the transformative power of music and the importance of embracing one’s story and creativity. Becky and Bob also touch on the evolving music industry, the impact of creativity on education, and the significance of being not only skilled but also good to be around.

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Timestamps:

Jack Marchant: The Power of Persistence and Community in Music Production

In this episode of the Second Verse podcast, host Becky Boyland interviews London-based music producer Jack Marchant. They discuss his journey from childhood experiences in music studios with his dad's band to overcoming physical health challenges and making a full-time career in music production. Key topics include the importance of community, the reality of building a sustainable music career, and the value of mentorship. Jack shares insights on the struggle of pricing work fairly, the significance of authenticity in music, and the role of social media in connecting with fans. The episode closes with Jack emphasizing his personal slogan, 'Music for all, no matter the journey,' and offering practical advice for aspiring artists and producers.

Connect with Jack:

https://www.facebook.com/MarchantMusicProductions/

Instagram @Marchantmusic

Timestamps:

00:00 Teaser Clip

00:20 Welcome and Intro

01:31 Jack's Early Life and Musical Influences

02:57 Transition to Music Production

05:45 Breakthrough with Georgiou Music

07:24 The Importance of Community and Mental Health

09:36 Navigating the Music Industry

11:10 Challenges and Advice for Aspiring Artists

16:06 Sponsor: Attitude Creativity

17:29 An Exchange of Value

19:42 Jack's Health Struggles and Full-Time Music Career

24:12 Overcoming Vocal Challenges

25:30 The Power of Authenticity in Music

27:12 Building Community Through Music

34:32 Navigating Social Media as an Artist

44:20 The Importance of Mentorship

47:12 Final Thoughts and Takeaways

48:03 Recap

In this episode of Second Verse, host Becky Boyland explores the inspirational journey of Rose Calkins, a singer-songwriter, published author, and artist, whose life is a testament to resilience, creativity, and faith. Rose shares how she balanced practical responsibilities with her artistic passions, drawing from early influences like theater and family music traditions. The conversation delves into pivotal moments, such as joining a songwriting class during the uncertain times of 2020, which reignited her musical dreams. With insights on overcoming fear, embracing community, and managing a multi-faceted creative career, Rose’s story is a motivating guide for indie artists. The episode also includes a discussion on the importance of having a clear online presence for promoting music and concludes with Rose's heartfelt song, 'Pictures in Motion.'

Follow Rose:

• Instagram: @rosecalkinsmusic
• Website: skybueliving.com

Publications Mentioned:

• Eternal Goodness by Justina Hodgson, Rosemary Calkins, and Natalie Totire Brinley
• Affirmusic by Dan Laureano
• Possibilities: Writings from the DuPage Writers Group

Featured Song:

• “Pictures in Motion” by Rose Calkins, written by Rose Calkins and Dan Laureano
• Stream or Buy “Pictures in Motion” wherever you get your music, or visit https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/rosecalkins/pictures-in-motion

00:00 Second Verse Interview with Rose Calkins

00:34 Welcome and Introduction

01:54 Early Musical Influences

03:45 Theater and Family Life

04:50 Passing the Musical Torch

06:12 Our Sponsor: Attitude Creativity

07:35 Personal Musical Evolution

09:51 Discovering Songwriting

11:59 Pursuing Music During the Pandemic

13:33 Collaborations and New Beginnings

19:49 Writing and Publishing

22:43 The Richness of Life Experience in Art

25:02 The Journey of Independent Artists

31:02 The Importance of a Home Base for Artists

33:24 Balancing Art and Business

37:27 Influences and Inspirations

40:26 Encouragement for Aspiring Indie Musicians

42:02 Where to Find Rose Calkins Online

44:09 Recap

46:18 "Pictures in Motion" by Rose Calkins

https://youtu.be/AVowKYaPprU

Follow Rick:

• Instagram @rick_molloy
• YouTube https://www.youtube.com/rickmolloy
• TikTok @rickmolloymusic
• Web https://www.celestialinstruments.com

Featured Song:

• “Washed Away” by Becky Boyland is written by Becky Boyland and Rick Molloy. Used with permission.
• Stream or Buy “Washed Away” wherever you get your music, or visit https://hypeddit.com/beckyboyland/washedaway

Timestamps:

• 00:00 Teaser Clip
• 00:21 Podcast Introduction
• 01:10 Guest Introduction: Rick Molloy
• 02:03 Rick's Journey from Tech to Music
• 03:29 Challenges and Realities of Pursuing Music
• 06:35 The Importance of Community
• 07:45 Balancing Art and Business
• 11:55 Encouragement for Aspiring Musicians
• 20:19 Sponsor: Attitude Creativity
• 21:42 Back to the Interview
• 26:12 Guitar Craftsmanship and Experimentation
• 34:31 Emotional Connection in Music
• 37:20 The Power of Collaboration
• 43:31 From Open Mics to Paid Gigs
• 48:29 Advice for Aspiring Musicians
• 52:01 Final Thoughts and Artist Tips
• 57:54 "Washed Away" by Becky Boyland, written by Rick Molloy and Becky Boyland

Second Chances: Embracing Your Musical Dreams

In this introductory episode of 'Second Verse,' host Becky Boyland, a singer-songwriter with extensive experience in marketing and brand messaging, invites listeners to rekindle their musical aspirations. Becky talks about the journey from treating music as a hobby to making it a significant part of life. She shares stories of other indie musicians who have made similar transitions from traditional careers to follow their passion for music. Additionally, Becky offers tips and insights to help artists grow their audience and achieve their dreams. The episode concludes with an inspiring new song, 'One More Word,' to encourage listeners to take the next step toward their musical goals.

00:00 Introduction: Following Your Dream

00:39 Meet Your Host: Becky Boyland

01:00 Weekly Stories and Tips

01:25 Upcoming Episodes Preview

01:46 Real Talk: Challenges and Tools

02:07 Encouragement and Connection

02:22 Subscribe and Connect

02:58 Musical Inspiration: "One More Word"

Featured Song:

• “One More Word” by Becky Boyland is written by Becky Boyland. Used with permission.
• "One More Word" will be available wherever you stream your music on March 14, 2025. Check it out at the song's share page.