Smashing the Plateau

Stay Positive and Stay Relentless Featuring Gary Ireland

Mon, 06 Apr 2026 03:00:00 -0400

Gary Ireland is a New York City–based employment attorney representing executives in transition, start-ups, and small businesses, with a particular focus on women leaders. He serves as outside general counsel to Maxus Systems, whose founder patented "virtual reality," recognized by Popular Mechanics as one of the "15 Patents That Changed the World."

He advises innovative companies on protecting their interests while pursuing strategic growth. Gary has secured impactful civil rights and discrimination victories, including a jury verdict with punitive damages against a municipality for repeated police beatings and a federal age discrimination win affirmed by the Second Circuit. He also led a $25 million beach renourishment initiative protecting public shoreline and private homes. Beyond the courtroom, Gary developed, and alongside the Ireland family and a broad coalition of supporters, helped lead the successful campaign to open the Boy Scouts of America — now the gender-neutral Scouting America — to girls, expanding opportunities to more than 170,000 young women.

The Ireland family story, featured in the Daily Mail, is now being developed into a feature film. Gary welcomes introductions to filmmakers and producers interested in creating an impactful and commercially successful project.

A graduate of Columbia University and New York Law School, Gary serves on the board of the Bella Abzug Leadership Institute, where he teaches a program he developed, Relentless Advocacy. He also coaches in the leadership program at Columbia Law School.

In today's episode of Smashing the Plateau, you will learn how to build a coalition around a cause, stay relentless in the face of obstacles, and lead with purpose in both business and life.

Gary and I discuss:

Gary's mission as an attorney and advocate [02:57]
How his daughter Sydney's scouting journey began [03:52]
The obstacle Sydney faced in joining the Boy Scouts [06:10]
How they built a coalition to create change [14:43]
The role of community and elected officials in their advocacy [15:41]
What it takes to sustain resilience over the long term [10:48]
Advice for leaders facing complex decisions and heavy obstacles [22:25]

Learn more about Gary at https://www.dailymail.co.uk/lifestyle/article-12907335/amp/sydney-ireland-fought-nine-years-boy-scouts-movie.html

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About Smashing the Plateau

Smashing the Plateau is a podcast for experienced independent leaders who have left corporate roles to build sustainable, expertise-based businesses.

Each episode features a thoughtful, experience-driven conversation about what changes when you no longer have the infrastructure of an organization behind you.

We explore judgment, decision-making under uncertainty, growth plateaus, identity shifts, and the role of trusted thinking partners in sustaining long-term success.

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One Click-Real Consequences Featuring Joe Hill

Mon, 30 Mar 2026 03:00:00 -0400

Joe brings over 20 years of experience in technology and specializes in cybersecurity awareness for small businesses.

In today's episode of Smashing the Plateau, you will learn how to protect your small business from cyber threats and how to transition from corporate employee to entrepreneur.

Joe and I discuss:

Joe's career journey in technology [01:41]
Why Joe started his own business [02:42]
How Joe decided on his business model [04:52]
What Joe knew about courses and community [05:30]
Surprises when rolling out courses and community [06:24]
How to know when a course is good enough to release [07:34]
Decision making as an entrepreneur vs. employee [08:55]
Lessons learned from choosing the wrong platform [10:16]
Finding support resources for decision making [11:27]
Navigating the ups and downs of business [13:12]
How Joe defines success as an entrepreneur [15:23]
How to identify and avoid phishing attacks [18:23]
How to find your community as an entrepreneur [19:53]

Learn more about Joe at https://www.cybersmartresource.com.

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About Smashing the Plateau

Smashing the Plateau is a podcast for experienced independent leaders who have left corporate roles to build sustainable, expertise-based businesses.

Each episode features a thoughtful, experience-driven conversation about what changes when you no longer have the infrastructure of an organization behind you.

We explore judgment, decision-making under uncertainty, growth plateaus, identity shifts, and the role of trusted thinking partners in sustaining long-term success.

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How to Use Financial Data to Make Confident Business Decisions Featuring Kirsten Graham

Mon, 23 Mar 2026 03:00:00 -0400

Kirsten is a business strategist and outsourcing expert with a decade of experience helping entrepreneurs take control of their finances and scale with confidence. She has guided countless business owners through the process of hiring and working with Bookkeeping Virtual Assistants, giving them the tools and systems they need to understand their numbers and make smarter financial decisions. Her work through the Love Your Profit program focuses on simplifying bookkeeping, reducing financial stress, and helping business owners build the support teams that allow them to thrive.

In today's episode of Smashing the Plateau, you will learn how to build confidence through financial clarity and strategic delegation to scale your business.

Kirsten and I discuss:

What is behind becoming a business strategist and outsourcing expert [01:50]
Why understanding your numbers builds confidence [03:26]
How to protect and build your confidence as an entrepreneur [05:35]
Key things corporate refugees can do to make their business thrive [07:41]
Examples of entrepreneurs who left corporate and succeeded [10:02]
How to determine when it's time to pivot [12:22]
Data versus intuition in business decisions [14:03]
Working yourself out of your business as a growth strategy [15:51]
What Kirsten helps people outsource and why [16:58]
Stories of entrepreneurs who outsourced bookkeeping [18:27]
The importance of community and peer support [21:56]

Learn more about Kirsten at:

YouTube: https://youtube.com/@sixfigurebusinesscoaching

Website: https://sixfigurebusinesscoaching.com/

Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/SixFigureBusinessCoaching

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kirsten.graham.3517

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kirstengrahamsfbc/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sfbizcoaching/

Tiktok https://www.tiktok.com/@sfbizcoaching?_t=ZS-90tUPiAZqvl&_r=1

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Smashing the Plateau shares stories and strategies from corporate refugees: mid-career professionals who’ve left corporate life to build something of their own.

Each episode features a candid conversation with someone who has walked this path or supports those who do. Guests offer real strategies to help you build a sustainable, fulfilling business on your terms, with practical insights on positioning, growth, marketing, decision-making, and mindset.

Woven throughout are powerful reminders of how community can accelerate your success.

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How to Market Authentically and Build Team Even as Solopreneur Featuring Jane Wesman

Mon, 16 Mar 2026 03:00:00 -0400

Jane Wesman, founder of Jane Wesman Public Relations, Inc., is one of the country's top experts in book publicity and marketing with an impressive track record of creating national bestsellers, particularly in the areas of business, leadership, and personal growth. The author of Dive Right In - The Sharks Won't Bite, Jane is also a mentor and advisor to entrepreneurs and startups. A strong believer in giving back, Jane currently serves as co-president of the nonprofit organization Women's Media Group.

In today's episode of Smashing the Plateau, you will learn how to build an authentic marketing foundation that attracts clients without draining your energy.

Jane and I discuss:

Jane's involvement with NAWBO and Women's Media Group [03:02]
Why marketing feels like an energy leak for many entrepreneurs [03:41]
The importance of building an authentic website as your foundation [05:25]
Why you can't do everything in marketing and must choose strategically [06:06]
The problem with trying to be something for everyone [07:01]
Why LinkedIn and newsletters are essential for consultants [08:08]
How to integrate your website, LinkedIn, and newsletter [08:39]
Why you need to go narrow and go deep with your expertise [09:41]
How Jane stayed focused on book marketing and said no to other opportunities [11:17]
Using outside services and building a team for marketing [13:06]
Other marketing channels: speaking, podcasts, and guest articles [14:58]
The importance of consistency in marketing [15:36]
Why everyone needs a team, even solopreneurs [16:23]
The value of being involved in nonprofit organizations [20:09]
Leadership lessons Jane learned from volunteer work [21:00]
Why being a member isn't enough—you need to join committees or boards [23:31]
Jane's key message: start with your website and be consistent [25:23]

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Smashing the Plateau shares stories and strategies from corporate refugees: mid-career professionals who’ve left corporate life to build something of their own.

Woven throughout are powerful reminders of how community can accelerate your success.

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How to Build Your Brand with LinkedIn Live Strategy Featuring Nina Froriep

Mon, 09 Mar 2026 03:00:00 -0400

Nina is a LinkedIn™️ Brand Builder and Content and Engagement Strategist for Creators, Coaches, and Consultants. She works with service-based entrepreneurs and visual artists to develop strategies and create digital content that helps them grow their businesses organically on LinkedIn.

Nina is a "recovering" film producer and documentary filmmaker. She has worked on Emmy award-winning documentaries, including one she produced, Abraham's Children.

Nina is a visual artist and loves spending time in her native Switzerland with her owner, Tigger, an 11-pound Dachshund mix who has her well-trained.

In today's episode of Smashing the Plateau, you will learn how to use LinkedIn Live to build your brand and grow your business without the weekly commitment of a podcast.

Nina and I discuss:

What is LinkedIn Live [04:04]
The technical setup process for LinkedIn Live [05:47]
What format to use for your LinkedIn Live shows [08:37]
What doesn't work as a LinkedIn Live strategy [10:00]
The differences between LinkedIn Live and podcasts [13:18]
Strategies for interacting with your audience [17:21]
How to foster community interaction during LinkedIn Live [20:15]
Repurposing LinkedIn Live content into conversation highlights [22:04]

Learn more about Nina at https://clockwiseproductions.com and https://www.linkedin.com/in/nina-froriep/.

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Smashing the Plateau shares stories and strategies from corporate refugees: mid-career professionals who’ve left corporate life to build something of their own.

Woven throughout are powerful reminders of how community can accelerate your success.

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How to Overcome the Limiting Beliefs Holding You Back Featuring Curtis McCullom

Mon, 02 Mar 2026 03:00:00 -0400

Curtis McCullom helps CEOs, founders, and entrepreneurs eliminate the blind spots that have silently held them back since childhood—unlocking greater income, confidence, and personal freedom. Through his LGET Mindset™ framework (Learn, Grow, Expand, Transform) and powerful modalities like NLP, Mental Emotional Release® (MER), and Hypnotherapy, he facilitates reprogramming subconscious blocks for deep, lasting transformation.

In today's episode of Smashing the Plateau, you will learn how to break through invisible ceilings by reprogramming subconscious blocks for deep, lasting transformation.

Curtis and I discuss:

Curtis's career journey from financial services to mindset coaching [02:22]
What triggered his transition from financial services [04:02]
Why executive coaching wasn't enough [05:09]
The difference between conscious and subconscious behavior [05:20]
How the LGET framework was created [06:55]
Curtis's ideal client and invisible ceilings [08:26]
An example of breaking through relationship blocks [09:15]
How to acknowledge problems without identifying with them [11:00]
The importance of diaphragmatic breathing [12:20]
The one-day mindset reset process [14:00]
The mindset shift from employee to entrepreneur [15:22]
Why undervaluing your worth is common [17:25]
The biggest blocks people face [18:44]
Curtis's personal story about sabotaging success [19:36]
How peers and community help overcome blocks [22:30]

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Smashing the Plateau shares stories and strategies from corporate refugees: mid-career professionals who’ve left corporate life to build something of their own.

Woven throughout are powerful reminders of how community can accelerate your success.

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How to Reach Financial Sustainability Within Your First Business Year Featuring Madeleine Niebauer

Mon, 23 Feb 2026 03:00:00 -0400

Madeleine Niebauer is a seasoned executive with two decades of experience across the private, public, and nonprofit sectors. Madeleine spent five years as a Chief of Staff at Teach For America. She loved the fast-paced, ever-changing nature of the work and the ability to truly leverage a leader's time so they could be more productive and successful. She knew many leaders could benefit from this service on a part-time basis, which inspired her to launch VChief.

Prior to joining TFA, Madeleine was a strategy consultant for foundations and nonprofit organizations at The Bridgespan Group. Earlier in her career, Madeleine managed a tutoring center with SCORE! Educational Centers and served in the Peace Corps in Ivory Coast.

Madeleine earned a BA with honors from Stanford University and an MBA from Columbia Business School. She lives in Madison, Wisconsin with her three children, who all share her love of globetrotting, camping, and family fun.

In today's episode of Smashing the Plateau, you will learn how to build a scalable service business that doesn't depend on you doing all the work.

Madeleine and I discuss:

Madeleine's career journey and what prompted her to start VChief [02:28]
How she experienced product market fit in real time [03:57]
The decision to not take on more clients herself [05:01]
Shifting from technician to CEO [06:41]
When she decided to build a company instead of being a solopreneur [09:02]
How long it took to reach financial sustainability [10:23]
Her approach to marketing beyond her network [11:27]
The support she brought on along the way [13:29]
Hiring fractional and part-time help strategically [14:25]
The trigger for rapid growth after COVID [18:46]
Her experience with community and peer groups [20:19]
How to stop being the bottleneck in your business [23:32]

Learn more about Madeleine at https://www.vchiefs.com

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About Smashing the Plateau

Smashing the Plateau shares stories and strategies from corporate refugees: mid-career professionals who’ve left corporate life to build something of their own.

Woven throughout are powerful reminders of how community can accelerate your success.

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How to Turn LinkedIn Connections Into Loyal Long-Term Business Relationships Featuring Janice Porter

Mon, 16 Feb 2026 03:00:00 -0400

Janice began her career as a teacher, was a corporate trainer for many years, and have now found her niche in coaching business owners to network at a world-class level. For the past several years, she has owned her own business. She is committed to showing others how to grow their businesses and training them to build and sustain solid relationships with past, present, and future customers to lead to more sales and more referrals.

In today's episode of Smashing the Plateau, you will learn how to build authentic business relationships through sustainable daily habits and strategic LinkedIn networking.

Janice and I discuss:

The power of long-term relationships in business [02:54]
How to overcome overwhelm when balancing client work and business development [04:04]
The importance of finding your rhythm with relationship building [06:17]
Creating sustainable habits for LinkedIn engagement [06:46]
Using greeting cards and gifts to nurture relationships [07:09]
Daily practices that transform networking results [08:21]
How to evaluate and accept LinkedIn connection requests [10:17]
Strategies for meaningful LinkedIn outreach [14:44]
Starting conversations without jumping to the sales pitch [16:29]
Using creative conversation starters to build rapport [17:04]
Why loyalty is at the heart of community and relationships [20:02]
How to be sincere and avoid the numbers game on LinkedIn [23:04]

Learn more about Janice at https://www.janiceporter.com and linkedin.com/in/janiceporter

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Smashing the Plateau shares stories and strategies from corporate refugees: mid-career professionals who’ve left corporate life to build something of their own.

Woven throughout are powerful reminders of how community can accelerate your success.

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From Expertise to Endurance: Helping Organizations Practice a Growth Mindset Featuring Jane Hyun

Mon, 09 Feb 2026 03:00:00 -0400

Jane Hyun is the leading authority for leveraging culture and differences to drive innovation. Often called an "interpreter," she has been a trusted coach for over 20 years to thousands of leaders at Fortune 500 companies including PepsiCo, Clorox, Merck, and USGA, as well as schools and nonprofits, guiding their growth by building their cross-cultural capability. She is the pioneering author of Breaking the Bamboo Ceiling: Leadership Toolkit for Asians and the co-author of Flex: The New Playbook for Managing Across Differences. Through her Cultural Fluency in Leadership Project, Jane enjoys helping leaders forge stronger teams by closing the gaps that get in the way of growth and collaboration.

She has been featured on CNN, CNBC, and NPR and has written for Harvard Business Review, Forbes, Fast Company, and The Wall Street Journal on the topics of culture, career development, and onboarding. As a sought-after speaker, Jane has keynoted at Microsoft, ESPN, the International Coaches Federation (ICF), and the Conferences for Women. Recently, Jane received the Marshall Goldsmith 50 Leading Global Coaches Award as the #1 Coach for Cultural Fluency and the NAAAP Vision 100 Award.

Her life's calling is to help others flourish in their workplaces and in their communities.

In today's episode of Smashing the Plateau, you will learn how to build a meaningful, sustainable consulting practice by leveraging cultural fluency and staying true to your values.

Jane and I discuss:

Jane's career journey from corporate to consulting [03:02]
How Jane developed her cultural fluency specialty [05:27]
Assessing and improving cultural fluency in leaders [08:32]
How Jane's business has evolved over 20 years [12:31]
The importance of saying no to the wrong clients [14:45]
The role of community and peer support in business growth [17:42]
Integrating personal and professional life as an entrepreneur [19:35]
The strategic importance of rest and self-care [22:11]
Seeing growth as an iterative process [24:00]

Learn more about Jane at: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jane-hyun/, https://www.instagram.com/janehyun_author/, and https://substack.com/@janehyun429198.

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Woven throughout are powerful reminders of how community can accelerate your success.

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How to Maintain Your Power During Unexpected Career Crises Featuring Christina Holloway

Mon, 02 Feb 2026 03:00:00 -0400

Christina Holloway is an executive coach and leadership strategist known for helping professionals build influence, communicate with confidence, and advance without losing themselves in toxic or high-pressure workplaces. She has coached leaders across major global companies, and her insights have been featured in Forbes, Fast Company, and HuffPost. Through her YouTube channel and workshops, Christina provides practical tools for career clarity, courageous communication, and stepping into leadership with authenticity and power.

In today's episode of Smashing the Plateau, you will learn how to maintain your power during career crises, negotiate from a position of strength, and build a thriving business based on authentic leadership.

Christina and I discuss:

Her career journey and becoming a corporate refugee in 2001 [02:33]
The story of being let go without notice and working a full day after termination [03:13]
How to prepare for and respond to a crisis [08:44]
Managing emotions to maintain power in critical moments [10:23]
Staying solution-focused during difficult negotiations [12:52]
Working as a contractor for 13 years and the transition to remote work in 2001 [07:28]
How her experience shaped her coaching business philosophy today [16:27]
Her journey from chief of staff to executive coach [19:22]
The role of community, collaboration, and peer support in business growth [21:03]
Why trusted relationships are essential for entrepreneurs [23:00]
Avoiding the trap of staying stuck in endless to-do lists [23:30]

Learn more about Christina at https://www.youtube.com/@ChristinaHolloway1205/

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About Smashing the Plateau

Smashing the Plateau shares stories and strategies from corporate refugees: mid-career professionals who’ve left corporate life to build something of their own.

Each episode features a candid conversation with someone who has walked this path or supports those who do. Guests offer real strategies to help you build a sustainable, fulfilling business on your terms, with practical insights on positioning, growth, marketing, decision-making, and mindset.

Woven throughout are powerful reminders of how community can accelerate your success.

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How to Navigate AI Era Product Development with Curiosity and Ambition Featuring Jim Morris

Mon, 26 Jan 2026 03:00:00 -0400

Jim coaches product management in startups, growth-stage companies, and Fortune 100s. He's a Silicon Valley founder with over two decades of experience, including an IPO and a buyout. These days, he coaches product leaders and teams to find product-market fit and accelerate growth across a variety of industries and business models. Jim graduated from Stanford University with a BS in Computer Science and currently lectures at both Stanford and University of California, Berkeley in product management.

In today's episode of Smashing the Plateau, you will learn how to navigate the AI era in product development and build a sustainable coaching practice around your unique expertise.

Jim and I discuss:

Jim's career journey from building products to coaching [01:59]
The importance of curiosity and ambition in product management [06:07]
The benefit of having a dedicated product management coach [09:33]
How AI tools are reducing friction in finding the right product [11:55]
The exciting opportunities for companies that adopt AI tools effectively [14:32]
Why internal transformation is the key competitive advantage [17:18]
Advice for professionals building a consulting business [21:03]
How peer relationships enhance transformation [24:41]
Helping people navigate the turmoil of adopting new AI technologies [25:53]

Learn more about Jim at https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmorrisstanford/ and https://productdiscoverygroup.com

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About Smashing the Plateau

Smashing the Plateau shares stories and strategies from corporate refugees: mid-career professionals who’ve left corporate life to build something of their own.

Each episode features a candid conversation with someone who has walked this path or supports those who do. Guests offer real strategies to help you build a sustainable, fulfilling business on your terms, with practical insights on positioning, growth, marketing, decision-making, and mindset.

Woven throughout are powerful reminders of how community can accelerate your success.

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How to Tap Community Support and Multiply Your Profitability Threefold Featuring Boudewijn Bertsch

Mon, 19 Jan 2026 03:00:00 -0400

Bou is a leadership consultant who helps his clients discover how to bring out the best in themselves and others. He designs and delivers customized leadership development workshops for executive teams around the globe. Bou also has a thriving executive and life coaching practice. With his wife, Riva Greenberg, he supports people who live with diabetes. He lives in Brooklyn, NY.

In today's episode of Smashing the Plateau, you will learn why community is essential for solo entrepreneurs and how it can transform both your well-being and your bottom line.

Boudewijn and I discuss:

Why community is so important to Boudewijn [02:25]
The kinds of communities Boudewijn has experienced [05:11]
How collective intelligence helps navigate complexity and uncertainty [06:36]
The practical outcomes of being part of a community [08:43]
Why interdependence is more accurate than independence [09:43]
How community increases profitability by a factor of three to four [11:25]
The financial impact of compassionate support through neurobiological co-regulation [13:10]
What makes communities different from corporate structures [15:03]
The importance of psychological safety in community [18:01]
How community provides both wellbeing and advancement [20:27]
Why now is the most critical time to be part of a community [23:01]

Learn more about Boudewijn at www.spimanagement.com

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About Smashing the Plateau

Smashing the Plateau shares stories and strategies from corporate refugees: mid-career professionals who’ve left corporate life to build something of their own.

Each episode features a candid conversation with someone who has walked this path or supports those who do. Guests offer real strategies to help you build a sustainable, fulfilling business on your terms, with practical insights on positioning, growth, marketing, decision-making, and mindset.

Woven throughout are powerful reminders of how community can accelerate your success.

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How to Build Authentic Relationships That Sustain Your Knowledge-Based Business for Decades Featuring Paige Arnof-Fenn

Mon, 12 Jan 2026 03:00:00 -0400

Paige Arnof-Fenn is the founder and CEO of global branding and digital marketing firm Mavens and Moguls, based in Cambridge, MA. Her clients include Microsoft, Virgin, The New York Times Company, Colgate, venture-backed startups, as well as nonprofit organizations. She graduated from Stanford University and Harvard Business School. Paige serves on several boards, is a popular speaker and columnist who has written for Entrepreneur and Forbes.

In today's episode of Smashing the Plateau, you will learn how to build a thriving knowledge-based business by making authentic connections and staying true to your values.

Paige and I discuss:

What caused Paige to become an entrepreneur [02:23]
How Paige decided on her business model [13:04]
Who Paige's ideal clients are [05:59]
How to navigate AI tools without losing your brand's authentic voice [08:18]
What makes it challenging to build a sustainable knowledge-based business today [09:48]
The importance of making friends before you need them [15:07]
How to build your reputation with every conversation [17:06]
What makes it easier than ever to start a knowledge worker business [18:32]
The do's and don'ts of connecting with others in community [21:20]
Why quality over quantity matters in building your brand [23:28]

Learn more about Paige at https://www.linkedin.com/in/paigearnoffenn and www.mavensandmoguls.com

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Smashing the Plateau shares stories and strategies from corporate refugees: mid-career professionals who’ve left corporate life to build something of their own.

Woven throughout are powerful reminders of how community can accelerate your success.

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How to Redesign Your Business Model and Find New Meaning in Later Career Stages Featuring Kenneth Gorfinkle

Mon, 05 Jan 2026 03:00:00 -0400

Kenneth Gorfinkle is a clinical psychologist and owner of Common Sense Therapy, a private psychotherapy practice in Manhattan. His career transitioned from decades of work with medical patients in hospitals to a full-time private practice in 2016. As his own practice slowly winds down, he finds himself caring for many individuals at the late stages of their careers. Retirement has become an outmoded idea, now that there are myriad ways to stay engaged in meaningful work.

In today's episode of Smashing the Plateau, you will learn how to navigate late-career transitions while maintaining your sense of identity, purpose, and self-worth beyond the paycheck.

Ken and I discuss:

The differences between mid-career job loss and late-career transitions [03:02]
The advantages of gradually winding down versus stopping abruptly [04:36]
How accumulated wisdom and experience add value in later career stages [06:04]
Connecting your identity to your wisdom rather than your work [08:00]
The fear and anxiety people face when approaching retirement [09:14]
Strategies for finding meaning beyond work [11:34]
How to address financial fears and planning [13:37]
Ways to transition your business model as you wind down [18:51]
The importance of community and intentional friendships [24:06]

Learn more about Kenneth at www.commonsensetherapy.com

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Smashing the Plateau shares stories and strategies from corporate refugees: mid-career professionals who’ve left corporate life to build something of their own.

Woven throughout are powerful reminders of how community can accelerate your success.

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How to Leave Corporate Security Behind and Reinvent Your Career Featuring Ann Vanino

Mon, 29 Dec 2025 03:00:00 -0400

Ann Vanino is a career and new directions coach and author whose passion is collaborating with her clients to create the life they want to live. Prior to coaching, Ann enjoyed a 21-year career in the environmental, health, and safety field, including running New York City's 24-hour chemical emergency response team, responding to over 600 emergencies a year. Ann authors a weekly blog, Opening, and a monthly newsletter, Working Happy, guiding readers to work that leaves them happy at the end of the day.

In today's episode of Smashing the Plateau, you will learn what it takes to reinvent yourself when the path forward isn't clear and how vulnerability builds true resilience.

Ann and I discuss:

Ann's non-linear career journey from Asian history to environmental studies [02:05]
How she became the leader of NYC's chemical emergency response team [04:14]
Navigating male-dominated environments as a young woman [06:17]
Leading without formal authority when people don't listen [08:29]
What triggered her transition to entrepreneurship [10:14]
Hitting the glass ceiling and recognizing it wasn't her fault [11:31]
Starting Williams and Vanino environmental consulting firm [12:36]
The rainmaker and operator business partnership dynamic [13:33]
Taking the leap from security-conscious family to coaching [16:48]
Joining the founding board of International Coach Federation in LA [20:20]
Her husband's illness and passing in 2022 [20:35]
Navigating life alone on two acres in wildfire country [21:56]
The dramatic wildfire evacuation during her home sale [25:00]
The connection between vulnerability, community, and resilience [29:13]
Getting comfortable with change as a key to a fulfilling life [32:34]

Ann authors a weekly blog and a monthly newsletter called Working Happy, guiding readers to work that leaves them happy at the end of the day.

Learn more about Ann at: https://annvanino.com, https://annvaninoauthor.com, and https://www.linkedin.com/in/annvanino/

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Smashing the Plateau shares stories and strategies from corporate refugees: mid-career professionals who’ve left corporate life to build something of their own.

Woven throughout are powerful reminders of how community can accelerate your success.

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How to Build a Sustainable Business by Choosing What Scares You Most Featuring Susan Barber

Mon, 22 Dec 2025 03:00:00 -0400

Susan M. Barber is a leading visibility coach who transforms quiet high achievers into visible and influential leaders so they can confidently position themselves for new opportunities. With over 25 years of experience in leadership roles at Kraft Heinz, she has a deep understanding of the challenges corporate leaders face. Susan is the author and podcast host of The Visibility Factor and author of Your Journey to Visibility Workbook. Her mission is focused on empowering leaders to show their value and be seen for their true talent.

In today's episode of Smashing the Plateau, you will learn the key differences between starting a business and running one, and how to build a sustainable enterprise by focusing on what truly moves the needle forward.

Susan and I discuss:

The main differences between starting a business and running a business [03:17]
What metrics move the needle forward [04:40]
Why the choice that scares you the most is the one you should pick [06:33]
Things Susan decided not to do and why [08:00]
How to avoid the trap of perfectionism [10:21]
Key strategies for visibility that help your business [11:22]
Common challenges clients face around fear and imposter syndrome [12:51]
How to demonstrate capability without having done the exact thing before [14:25]
The role of community, collaboration, and peer support in growth [16:21]
One thing a corporate refugee can do today to move forward [19:21]
Susan's Your Journey to Visibility Workbook [21:49]

Learn more about Susan at https://www.linkedin.com/in/susanbarbercoaching/ and https://susanmbarber.com

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About Smashing the Plateau

Smashing the Plateau shares stories and strategies from corporate refugees: mid-career professionals who’ve left corporate life to build something of their own.

Woven throughout are powerful reminders of how community can accelerate your success.

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How To Pivot Expertise And Build Authentic LinkedIn Engagement That Attracts Ideal Clients Featuring Nina Froriep

Mon, 15 Dec 2025 03:00:00 -0400

Nina is a LinkedIn™ featured brand builder and a content and engagement strategist for creators, coaches, and consultants.

She collaborates with service-based entrepreneurs to develop strategies and create digital content that enable them to grow organically on LinkedIn.

Nina is a recovering producer and documentary filmmaker. She’s seen it all — from the early days of independent features to national TV commercials, corporate mega-shows, and Emmy Award–winning documentaries, including Abraham’s Children, which she produced.

Nina is from Switzerland. She owned 11-pound Dachshund mix who has her well trained.

In today's episode of Smashing the Plateau, you will learn how to spot the right time to pivot, how to use AI without losing your authenticity, and simple LinkedIn routines that build real relationships instead of noise.

Nina and I discuss:

Nina’s career journey and pivots from filmmaking to online coaching and video marketing [00:02:19]
The pivot from video production to focusing on organic LinkedIn strategy [00:04:03]
Techniques to listen for market changes and when to consider a pivot (including AI) [00:05:38]
How to acknowledge AI in your messaging without chasing every shiny thing [00:08:44]
The LinkedIn shift from a social graph to an interest graph — why engagement now drives visibility [00:11:00]
The power of a consistent commenting practice and why you can post less but comment more [00:11:53]
Nina’s “list of 25” tactic for regular, strategic engagement [00:12:59]
Why commenting builds meaningful relationships (and comment etiquette to avoid “bro marketing”) [00:13:47]
Organizing LinkedIn outreach: engagement groups, spreadsheets, and simple CRMs [00:16:51]
The role of community in business growth and the inspiration/accountability it provides [00:19:32]
Ideal community size for meaningful connection (Nina’s sweet spot: 30–100) [00:21:41]
Questions to ask when choosing the right community for your transition (size, topic, demographics, geography, founder) [00:23:08]
Where to find Nina’s resources (Five Steps to a Perfect LinkedIn Post; Nine Steps to a Near-Perfect LinkedIn Profile) and how to connect with her [00:25:48]

Learn more about Nina at https://clockwiseproductions.com and https://www.linkedin.com/in/nina-froriep/

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About Smashing the Plateau

Smashing the Plateau shares stories and strategies from corporate refugees: mid-career professionals who’ve left corporate life to build something of their own.

Each episode features a candid conversation with someone who has walked this path or supports those who do. Guests offer real strategies to help you build a sustainable, fulfilling business on your terms, with practical insights on positioning, growth, marketing, decision-making, and mindset.

Woven throughout are powerful reminders of how community can accelerate your success.

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How To Market Thoughtfully, Increase Visibility, And Attract Ideal Clients Through Clear Specialties And Credibility Featuring Gregory Obert

Mon, 08 Dec 2025 03:00:00 -0400

Dr. Gregory T. Obert is a clinical psychologist and the founder and CEO of the Royal Oasis Psychotherapy Institute, a premier telehealth practice delivering elite, discreet, evidence-based psychotherapy. He brings over 15 years of experience helping thousands navigate anxiety, depression, trauma, and life transitions. He specializes in veterans’ issues, PTSD treatment, and fostering resilience through personalized, holistic care. Additionally, he is the author of The Man on the Bench, a novel about hope amid loss, and the host of the podcast Meditations by Gregory T. Obert, featuring guided meditations for wellness.

In today’s episode of Smashing the Plateau, you will learn how to move from structure to self-direction—reframing fear, narrowing your focus, pricing with confidence, and using real community to shorten your path to traction.

Gregory and I discuss:

Why Gregory chose to start his own practice [05:18]
Why many keep private practice as a side gig—and the bigger opportunity [05:46]
The two biggest barriers: fear of variable income and insurance constraints [07:20]
Referrals, pipelines, and the internal conflict about charging [10:47]
A simple first step to strengthen your pricing mindset [13:44]
The hidden knowledge gap: marketing, visibility, and “putting yourself out there” [15:12]
Differentiation through a few clear specialties (and why it works) [17:50]
Community as a necessity: one hour > months of Googling [20:04]

Learn more about Gregory and receive premium psychotherapy at www.royaloasispi.com.

Follow him on social media:

Website:https://gregorytobert.com/

Locals: https://drgregorytobert.locals.com/

Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/drgobert

Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@docgobert

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregorytobert

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DrGOBERT

Libsyn: https://meditationsbygto.libsyn.com/

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/meditations-by-gregory-t-obert/id1168490615

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0esz5sbFAeAmJzPp5NJbz9

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About Smashing the Plateau

Smashing the Plateau shares stories and strategies from corporate refugees: mid-career professionals who’ve left corporate life to build something of their own.

Woven throughout are powerful reminders of how community can accelerate your success.

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How To Identify Your Highest-Value Skills And Align Them With Modern Generative AI Opportunities Today Featuring Melanie Petsch

Mon, 01 Dec 2025 03:00:00 -0400

Melanie focuses on practical data science and AI. Her career highlights include driving client outcomes at Petsch Analytics, LLC—her data science consultancy; designing and building custom applications with generative AI and large language models, incorporating humans in the loop, at Palantir Technologies; modeling and analyzing truly big data at the New York Stock Exchange; writing quantitative research and a book on commodity investing at Goldman Sachs; teaching at Columbia’s School of International and Public Affairs (SIPA); and serving on the Mechanical Engineering Advisory Council at Purdue University.

In today’s episode of Smashing the Plateau, you will learn how to reframe uncertainty, communicate value clearly, and turn vague requests into staged projects that produce quick wins.

Melanie and I discuss:

Melanie’s career journey and pivotal transitions [01:54]
How the 2008 crisis led to launching her consultancy and landing an eight-year anchor client [03:21]
Employee vs. consultant mindsets and why she’s ambivalent about the labels [05:24]
Teaching students to handle ambiguity and have honest client conversations [07:40]
Why open, candid dialogue can be easier as a consultant [09:37]
A mindset shift for corporate refugees to attract the next right clients [13:47]
Identifying your highest-value skills and applying them to modern needs like generative AI [14:13]
Communicating with nontechnical stakeholders and using mockups to align quickly [16:50]
“That’s not my data” — using anomalies to improve data quality and trust [18:05]
Feedback that matters and the power of meeting audiences where they are (data dictionary story) [19:08]
The networking story of earning an eight-year client by not hiring someone [21:24]
Human-first relationships vs. transactional interactions [23:30]
How to connect with Melanie [24:29]

Learn more about Melanie at http://www.petschanalytics.com/.

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About Smashing the Plateau

Smashing the Plateau shares stories and strategies from corporate refugees: mid-career professionals who’ve left corporate life to build something of their own.

Woven throughout are powerful reminders of how community can accelerate your success.

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How To Blend AI With Human Judgment To Price Confidently, De-Risk Decisions, And Close Deals Featuring Michael Himmelfarb

Mon, 24 Nov 2025 03:00:00 -0400

Michael Himmelfarb is the founder of HG Partners, a consulting firm that advises growing tech companies on monetization and go-to-market strategy. He developed a unique consulting model that combines the advantages of AI with the human superpowers of creativity, empathy, and experience to deliver high-impact results in as little as 48 hours. A former GM of a $200M Nielsen business and a five-time tech CXO, he is passionate about teaching consultants how to leverage AI without losing the human trust advantage. His blog, Reframing Forward, explores the future of AI-enhanced business and work.

In today’s episode of Smashing the Plateau, you will learn how to use value-based pricing, quick-win offers, and authentic relationship-building to stand out, earn attention, and convert conversations into paid work in a risk-averse market.

Michael and I discuss:

Michael’s path from corporate leadership to independent consulting [01:49]
A clear one-sentence offer grounded in value-based pricing [06:24]
How to capture attention with show-don’t-tell executive summaries and easy-to-buy offers [07:11]
Why trust beats automation: using AI with human oversight (and a cautionary math example) [10:47]
Practical advice for consultants struggling to convert interest into revenue [12:12]
A simple LinkedIn strategy: thoughtful comments that spark real conversations [12:49]
Community, collaboration, and helping others as a growth engine [14:23]
Drawing the line between giving value and getting paid (share in the upside) [15:52]
Cutting through noise: do your own work, use AI for augmentation, quantify outcomes [17:15]
Shaping the offer: transactional, advisory, recurring, or loss leader—staying flexible [18:54]
An agile, iterative approach to prompts and analysis for better AI outcomes [20:51]
The long game of relationships and radical transparency [21:40]
Where to explore more of Michael’s ideas and connect [23:12]

Learn more about Michael at: www.Hg-partners.com, https://reframingforward.substack.com, and linkedin.com/in/michaelhimmelfarb

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