In this episode of Spirit Club, Jordan and Kody explore the spiritual role of darkness—not simply as something evil or negative, but as mystery, uncertainty, depth, and the unknown.

Beginning with ideas from the Tao Te Ching, they wrestle with the relationship between light and darkness and whether some of our deepest encounters with the divine may actually require us to enter places we cannot fully understand or control.

Jordan then shares one of the most vulnerable chapters of his spiritual journey: years of seeking a profound encounter with God, experimenting with altered states of consciousness, and eventually having two experiences with psilocybin that profoundly affected him.

What began as a sincere attempt to deepen his spirituality included moments of beauty, euphoria, connection, and insight—but eventually opened into experiences of darkness, paranoia, thoughts of death, and a prolonged period of feeling unlike himself.

The conversation explores psychedelics as potential spiritual tools, the dangers of treating them casually, perfectionism in the spiritual search, ego death, synchronicity, fasting, prayer, meditation, and the importance of community when navigating intense spiritual experiences.

This episode ends in the middle of Jordan’s story. In the next conversation, Jordan and Kody continue exploring what happened after these experiences, how the darkness deepened, and how Jordan has begun making sense of it all.

At the heart of the episode is a question:

What if darkness isn’t always the absence of God—but sometimes one of the places we encounter Him?

Kody shares how pivotal experiences—including his parents’ divorce, the difficult transition home from his mission, and especially the death of his father—forced him to reconsider old ideas about God, salvation, religion, and what it means to live a good life.

The conversation explores the difference between religion and spirituality, Kody’s growing hope in universal salvation, the influence of both Christianity and Eastern philosophy, and his evolving belief that God is present within and throughout creation.

Rather than viewing salvation as a distant destination to earn, Kody describes arriving at a deeper sense that peace, connection, and “salvation” can be experienced now. That realization has allowed him to release much of the pressure to perform, prove himself, or have every belief perfectly figured out.

Jordan and Kody also discuss faith deconstruction and reconstruction, learning to trust your own spiritual experience, embracing change, finding meaning in suffering, and the importance of gratitude, presence, and taking full ownership of what you believe.

Ultimately, the episode becomes a conversation about coming home to yourself—discovering that the peace and connection we spend so much of life seeking may already be available within us.

Jordan reflects on growing up in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and how a foundation of religion gradually expanded into a broader, more personal pursuit of spirituality. Rather than abandoning his religious roots, he describes his spiritual life as an ever-expanding house—one with room for new ideas, books, traditions, experiences, and ways of connecting with the divine.

The conversation explores the shift from living primarily through conformity and fear toward greater freedom, intuition, self-trust, and expression. Jordan shares his fascination with spiritual books, synchronicities, miracles, dreams, physical sensations like chills, and the practice of recording moments that feel like evidence of God’s presence.

They also unpack the deeper spiritual meaning behind Jordan’s barefoot lifestyle and his decision to run the St. George Marathon barefoot—a symbol of grounding, returning to divine design, recognizing the earth as holy ground, and his emerging personal mission to “Restore Eden.” The marathon also became the unlikely setting where Jordan and Kody reconnected after years apart, a coincidence that ultimately helped give birth to Spirit Club.

Jordan shares why expression has become his word for 2026 after years of suppressing parts of himself, and why he now feels called to act more readily on intuitive nudges, promptings, and invitations to connect with others.

Throughout the episode, Kody and Jordan wrestle with questions at the heart of Spirit Club: What is the relationship between religion and spirituality? How do we recognize God in our lives? Can we become more sensitive to synchronicity and spiritual prompting? How much does the lens through which we see the world shape the world we experience?

At its core, the episode is about becoming more spiritually alive—pursuing love, peace, joy, freedom, connection, and the courage to fully express the person you were created to be.

Seventeen years after serving together as Mormon missionary companions, Jordan and Kody reconnect to begin an open, honest exploration of spirituality, faith, God, and the search for meaning.

They share the experiences that brought them here—including faith crises, spiritual emergence, finding their voices, and learning to recognize the divine in ordinary life. They also explore what different religious traditions can teach us, the importance of presence, and why love, peace, and joy can serve as guideposts along the spiritual path.

Spirit Club isn’t about having all the answers or defending one belief system. It’s a space for curiosity, vulnerability, lived experience, and conversations about what helps us feel more connected and alive.

Have a good now.