On this episode of The Associated Podcast, Bryan and Todd sit down with bestselling author, keynote headliner, and CEO of Turn It Up Culture, Marvelless Mark Kamp, for a conversation packed with energy, strategy, and rockstar-level perspective.

Known for turning meetings into rock concerts, Mark breaks down the science behind BUDs (Big Unreasonable Dreams), goals so bold they haven’t been invented yet… and may have your inner circle calling you crazy.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• The 3-part science behind a true BUD
• How thinking 3 years ahead can reshape today’s decisions
• Why 80% of your “noise” may be blocking growth
• How to identify the bottleneck holding back your business
• Why failure can act as your GPS to 10X results
• How energy becomes contagious and why excitement drives performance

From “Einstein Time” to finding whether you may be the bottleneck, this episode is loaded with practical ideas leaders can use immediately.

And a preview: Marvelless Mark Kamp will close out the AANC Connected Conference as the final keynote speaker. Stay and you’ll walk away with at least three strategies that could change the trajectory of your business, leadership, or sales.

Turn it up. Dream bigger. Find the bottleneck. Rock the results.

Guest Bio:

“Marvelless” Mark Kamp is a best-selling author, award-winning entrepreneur, and dynamic keynote speaker known for turning meetings into rock concert-style experiences. As CEO of Turn It Up Culture and a Las Vegas headliner, Mark blends music, motivation, and business mastery to help teams achieve peak performance. His high-energy keynotes are rooted in the belief that success should be bold, collaborative, and celebrated. One client described him as “Tony Robbins fronting a rock band”—packed with music metaphors, audience interaction, actionable takeaways, and lots of hype. In his book Opportunity Rocks, he shares backstage secrets from rock stars and applies them to leadership, teamwork, and innovation. Mark’s message has been featured on ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, HBO Max, and TEDx. If you’re ready to energize your event and rock your results, Marvelless Mark is your ultimate headliner.

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But lawmakers don’t work in the multifamily world, which means someone has to translate how policy decisions actually impact housing and operations.

In this episode of The Associated, Bryan and Todd sit down with Jon Lowder, Executive Director of the Apartment Association of North Carolina, to break down what advocacy really means for owners, operators, suppliers, and association members.

With leadership experience spanning the Piedmont Triad Apartment Association (PTAA) and Triad Real Estate and Building Industry Coalition (TREBIC), Jon explains how associations help translate complicated regulations from building codes to environmental standards into real-world impacts legislators can understand.

In this episode, we unpack:

• Why advocacy directly impacts housing supply and development costs

• How associations serve as translators between lawmakers and the industry

• Why frontline property teams often deliver the most impactful advocacy stories

• What surprises people most when they attend Lobby Day

• The role associations play in connecting local, state, and national advocacy efforts

Jon also shares a preview of the Rental Housing Developers Day launching at the AANC CONNECTed Conference, designed to bring more development voices into the association conversation.

Jon offers a practical, eye-opening perspective on why advocacy is critical to the future of housing.

Guest Bio:

Jon Lowder has been the Executive Director of the Apartment Association of North Carolina since 2023. Before that he was the President of TREBIC (Triad Real Estate and Building Industry Coalition) in Greensboro, NC for two years, and before that he was Executive Director of the Piedmont Triad Apartment Association for 12 years. Earlier in his career Jon had a consulting business that provided communication and tradeshow management services for nonprofits. He lives in Winston-Salem, NC and when not working he enjoys family time with his wife, three adult children and one grandchild. He's also an avid tennis player and likes to travel when the opportunity arises, as long as not too many people are involved.

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With more than 16 years in multifamily and a deep passion for association engagement, Betsy shares why advocacy is far simpler (and more personal) than people think. You don’t need to know everything about everything. You just need to know one or two things about one or two things and be willing to tell your story.

In this episode, we unpack:

1. Why advocacy isn’t scary and why lawmakers actually want to hear from you
2. How associations make engagement easier than you think
3. The power of mentorship: having a mentor, mentoring someone else, and running the race alongside your peers
4. Why people shouldn’t confuse purpose with career
5. How local, state, and national involvement build on one another

Betsy reminds us that advocacy isn’t about being perfect. It’s about being present. And when you show up as yourself, that’s when real influence begins.

Guest Bio:

Betsy Cunningham has 16+ years’ experience as a multifamily professional. Prior to becoming the Vice President of Strategic Engagement for BG Staffing, Betsy served as a Director of Sales in the Charlotte area, a Regional Sales Manager for multiple markets nationwide with BG and Managing Director of Strategic Accounts.

Betsy is passionate about the multifamily industry, loves participating in apartment industry associations, and she works to advocate for the industry and recruit new talent to Multifamily daily.

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You get The Associated.

In this special Year One recap episode, executive producer, Julie Zhang, interviews Bryan Holladay and Todd Whitlow about the origin story of the podcast and the surprising realizations that emerged from their first seven episodes.

This conversation dives into:

1. Why they felt compelled to create a platform specifically focused on association leaders and members
2. The shared themes that kept appearing across conversations
3. The reality that associations aren’t often seen as hubs of innovation and how that must shift
4. The responsibility to modernize alongside technology instead of letting members fall behind
5. The isolation board members sometimes feel outside of conferences and their own boards

One defining moment?

When a respected industry leader admitted that appearing on The Associated was his very first podcast opportunity, despite years of experience and impact. That realization underscored the gap this show was built to fill.

Associations are made up of volunteers who deeply care about the industry. They advocate. They mentor. They lead. But they also need new platforms to share ideas, challenge norms, and move forward together.

This episode celebrates what’s been built and lays the foundation for what’s next.

Year Two is coming, and it’s bigger and focused on supporting all members of apartment associations.

Thank you for listening, for sharing, and for helping this community grow. Send us your guest and topic ideas as we want to build this with you.

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From the unique formation of VAMA through the merging of local affiliates, to Patrick’s personable approach with members, this conversation is packed with insight on what it really takes to build an association people want to be a part of.

Patrick shares:

1. Why personal connection drives engagement.
2. Why fun plus business is a winning formula.
3. Why great leadership often means letting others think it was their idea.

Add in career development, member experience, and a surprise karaoke story involving bongos, and you’ve got a great episode.

Guest Bio:

Patrick McCloud is native of Virginia. He spent most of his life growing up in the Richmond area. Upon completion of high school he enrolled in and attended Bridgewater College in Harrisonburg, VA where in 1993 he graduated with a Bachelor of Science Degree in Political Science. After that he did what many college grads with political aspirations do, he went to Washington. Patrick spent the spring and summer of 1994 interning with the Clinton administration in the White House Office of Legislative Affairs. Upon completing his term there Patrick was hired by The State Affairs Company, a public relations, government affairs firm based in Arlington, VA. During his 6 years with the firm, Patrick spent a considerable amount of his time uncovering the political involvement and contribution structure of the American Trial Lawyer Industry. Patrick’s work helped focus national attention on the call for Tort Reform in such publications as the Wall Street Journal.

In 2000 Patrick took over the leadership helm of the association as its Chief Executive Officer. In his role Patrick oversees all administrative and legislative coordination for the Virginia Apartment Management Association. Since his arrival in 2000 Patrick has been a strong supporter of enhanced career development opportunities and professionalism within the multi-family housing industry. His legislative coordination and messaging has lead to passage of numerous pro-industry pieces of legislation. He is considered by many an expert in multi-family public relations and legislative interpretation.

Patrick has served as a Board of Directors of the National Apartment Association (NAA) and the NAA Education Institute (NAAEI). He is past chair of NAA’s Association Executive’s Council, a member of the NAA Budget and Finance committee, former chair of the NAAEI Program Administration Committee and a NAAEI Faculty member.

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From the shifting landscape of renting, the realities of workforce challenges, and the urgent need for associations to evolve. There’s no fluff, just real talk and some great ideas.

Inside the episode:

• Why renting is becoming a lifestyle of choice
• The hidden battle: building culture across regions and large portfolios
• Why 55% of move-outs trace back to maintenance and why that stat should scare us
• The 90% maintenance turnover crisis and how we rebuild the pipeline
• Associations’ blind spot: constantly looking backward instead of forward
• How AI and robotics will reshape the industry

A packed, energizing episode with powerful takeaways for association executives, onsite teams, leaders, suppliers, and anyone who cares about the future of multifamily.

Guest Bio:

Adrian Danila embarked on his remarkable property management odyssey back in 2003, as a part-time groundskeeper.

For over a decade, since 2007, Adrian has taken the helm of service departments overseeing maintenance operations, capital projects, and renovations for portfolios encompassing up to 32,000 apartment homes. He’s left his mark on the multifamily landscape, collaborating with industry giants such as Greystar, Balfour Beatty Communities, PMG, and Cortland.

August 2023 marked a transformative moment in Adrian’s career as he embraced the role of a full-time entrepreneur by founding Multifamily X Consulting Group. With two decades of multifamily expertise under his belt, Adrian is on a mission to empower property management companies and multifamily service providers with strategic insights, elevating their performance and fostering prosperity.

Beyond his professional pursuits, Adrian’s passion for networking and mentoring is palpable, as he dedicates himself to helping others ascend the career ladder. As an added testament to his dedication, he hosts the Multifamily Chronicles podcast, a platform for industry wisdom and inspiration.

Notably, Adrian holds a law degree from the Romanian-American University in Bucharest, Romania, further enriching his multifaceted background and expertise.

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Chris Moreno, also known as “Mr. PropTech”, is an Atlanta-based Entrepreneur, Investor, Advisor, and Podcast Host. With 20+ years focused on Real Estate, Enterprise, Logistics, Development, Climate, and Tech space, Chris has founded, scaled, and invested in multiple companies in the Real Estate space including Luxer One, Drop Locker, Infinite Niches, and On Deck.

Chris actively speaks and contributes to discussions focused on the Built World, Development & Climate with the National Apartment Association (NAA), National Multifamily Housing Council (NMHC), Urban Land Institute (ULI), National Association of Hispanic Real Estate Professionals (NAHREP), Hispanic Wealth Project (HWP), and serves on the Board of the Chastain Park Conservancy

Chris resides in Atlanta with his wife Carlisle, and their 3 kids.

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We dive into:

• The evolution from a “career path” to a “career lattice”
• How volunteering can ignite your leadership journey
• A little karaoke fun (because great leaders know how to have a good time!)
• Kelli's challenge to listeners: There’s someone more nervous than you so jump in anyway.

This episode is packed with leadership lessons, association volunteering insights, and even a little karaoke talk you won’t want to miss.

Guest Bio:

Kelli Lea is a tenured Multifamily leader, with over 20 years experience across a diverse portfolio of assets.  Kelli served as President of the Triangle Apartment Association in 2020 and 2021, and currently serves as President of National Apartment Association's Education Institute.   She is a graduate of TAA, AANC, and NAA’s Leadership Lyceum and holds her CAM designation.   She also holds her NC Broker’s license, is a member of the NAAEI Faculty, and was recognized as one of the Triangle Business Journals’ “40 under 40” class of 2021. 

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Our guests, Nicole Upano and Jim Wilson, two leaders driving housing policy and political engagement at the national level, break down what’s happening now and what’s on the horizon. They talk about finding their way into politics, the evolution of NAA’s advocacy, the important relationship with affiliates, and why PAC engagement is more critical than ever.

We also dive into:

• Fee transparency legislation heating up
• How PAC money is really spent
• Policy opportunities with a new administration
• Awards that prove the power of data-driven grassroots campaigns
• What the future looks like for federal housing policy

Listeners will walk away with insider knowledge, practical ways to engage, and a deeper appreciation for the work happening to protect and grow the multifamily industry.

Guest Bio:

As AVP of Housing Policy & Regulatory Affairs at the National Apartment Association (NAA), Nicole Upano works with NAA leadership to set the association’s federal priorities and leads its federal regulatory advocacy. She also serves as NAA’s lead spokesperson on housing policy and manages a team that supports the industry’s advocacy with policy research, analysis and insights. Nicole calls Indiana home, earning a B.A. from Indiana University in Political Science and Studio Art.

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Jim is currently NAA's AVP for Political Affairs & Stakeholder Engagement, where he oversees NAA's PAC, grassroots programs and relationships with external stakeholder groups like the National League of Cities and US Conference of Mayors. He was born and raised in Brooklyn NY and attended Georgetown University for undergrad and the University of Pittsburgh for his Masters' and Doctorate. Jim lives in Arlington VA with his wife, 2 children and dog.

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Our third guest, Angi Pusateri Downey, National Strategic Account Manager with CORT Furniture Rental and a nationally recognized leader in the apartment association space, brings a powerful blend of experience, heart, and strategy to the mic.

Tune in as we unpack:

• How apartment associations can better support suppliers partners.
• Why now is the time to define your brand and amplify your strengths.
• What is the NAA National Supplier Council and who should join.
• How the multifamily industry offers a place for every talent and every voice.

If you’ve ever wondered how to plug in, level up, or give back, this episode is your sign to lean in and lead boldly.

Guest Bio:

Angi Pusateri Downey, a nationally recognized leader in the multifamily housing industry with a career spanning both property management and supplier services. She’s served on numerous state and local apartment association boards and has held national leadership roles, including former Chair of the NAA National Supplier Council and NAA Supplier Lifetime Achievement Award Winner.  

Angi’s passion for the industry runs deep—she’s a second-generation pro whose father, Tony Pusateri, was a former Chairman of NAA, Hall of Fame inductee, and founding member of NAAEI. Her husband, Kirk Downey, is also an industry icon, sought after speaker, former Chair of the National Suppliers council and also a recipient of the NAA Supplier Lifetime Achievement Award.

But Angi’s tremendous impact stands on its own—she’s a connector, mentor, and strategic voice who brings decades of insight and a passionate legacy of service to everything she does

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We dive into:

• Advocacy and protecting the multifamily industry.
• Past Presidents still having a role to play.
• Engaging with students as early as middle school.
• Pandemic-era pivots that led to record-breaking growth and member engagement.
• What's outdated in association management and bold ideas to adapt.

This conversation is a must listen for anyone ready to challenge the status quo, embrace innovation, and build a stronger, more connected multifamily future.

Guest Bio:

Russ Webb is a craft beer and M&M's lover from Georgia who loves to travel. He does some speaking, juggling, magic with a black belt in sarcasm. He's also an iPad junkie.

A native of Atlanta (okay, technically Mableton, GA), Russ attended the University of Georgia & Georgia State University before embarking on a career in the hospitality business working for an international airline, a cruise line, a travel company and a convention center…not to mention a stint as a professional high diver! 

After 9 years in hospitality he made the switch to association management in 1998 and is currently serving as the Executive Director of the Bay Area Apartment Association covering the most beautiful part of Florida. 

Russ teaches classes about how to make your mobile device the most productive tool ever and loves blowing people away with fun tips/tricks and amazing apps. Russ also has a passion for customer service & social media, and showing companies how to make the most of their online presence by embracing the opportunity to interact with your customers and prospective customers in a fun way. Russ honestly believes that every day is a GREAT day and his enthusiasm, optimism (and sarcasm) will help you laugh and learn at the same time.

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We dive into:

• How she transitioned from operator to supplier without missing a beat.
• Why apartment association involvement isn’t just good for business—it’s vital for the multifamily industry’s future.
• How supplier relationships have shifted from transactional to real connections.
• Her weekly glitter-card ritual (yes, really) and how small moments spark big connections.
• Why all voices matter—no matter your title or tenure.
• Plus: A rapid-fire lightning round full of fun facts, laughs, and surprising answers like jazz hands.

Whether you’re brand new to multifamily or a seasoned pro, this episode will leave you inspired to show up, get involved, and lead with heart.

Guest Bio:

Elizabeth Riley is the Senior Vice President at The Liberty Group, where she’s spent the last several years supporting teams, building relationships, and helping connect great people to great opportunities. With over 20 years in the multifamily industry, she’s passionate about giving back and staying actively involved with local, state, and national apartment associations. Elizabeth believes in leading with heart, showing up for her team, and finding joy in the work we do every day. Outside of the office, she’s a proud mom, youth sports coach, and someone who’s always cheering others on. Connect with Elizabeth on LinkedIn HERE.

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In this inaugural episode, our two co-hosts, Bryan and Todd, sit down with a guest interviewer, Betsy Cunningham, to share why they’re launching this podcast, what listeners can expect, and why apartment associations are at a turning point. With declining volunteer engagement and old-school methods losing effectiveness, they’re here to dig into what’s next for the multifamily industry and the apartment association world. Expect bold discussions, expert industry guests, and plenty of laughs along the way!

Tune in if you’re a member of your local, state, or national apartment association who’s ever asked, “Why are we still doing it this way?”

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In this monthly podcast, we'll have real talk about what's working, what's not, and what's changing in apartment associations. We'll talk about industry updates, public policy, education, events, and more. Get ready for a mix of multifamily expert guests, bold conversations, and plenty of laughs.

If you're ready to shake things up in the apartment association world, hit subscribe on your favorite podcast platform and be the first to hear our new episodes.

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