This episode explores how social workers, educators, and helping professionals can prevent White supremacy from taking root, rather than merely dismantling oppressive systems after they are built. Drawing from Critical Race Theory (CRT) and Critical Whiteness Studies (CWS), Loran argues for a shift toward prevention as a primary strategy for achieving racial equity and social justice.

The paper highlights the emotional barriers, such as White guilt and White shame, that White social workers face, and how these feelings can be transformed into positive action. By incorporating trauma-informed practices, early intervention, policy reform, and cultural narrative shifts, Loran presents a comprehensive framework for preventing the perpetuation of White supremacy.

Listeners will gain insights into:

The limitations of reactive terms like "dismantling," "challenging", and "decentering" in addressing White supremacy.

How prevention-focused social work can transform systems of oppression before they take hold.

Practical strategies for equity and inclusion through group work and collective liberation.

Tune in to hear Loran Grishow-Schade discuss how social work, education, and mental health professionals can lead the charge in building a society free from systemic oppression.

Keywords:

Preventing White supremacy, White supremacy in social work, racial equity, Critical Whiteness Studies, Critical Race Theory, social justice, White guilt, White shame, trauma-informed practices, group work in social work, racial oppression prevention, equity and inclusion, collective liberation, racial justice frameworks, social work education

Jenny shares some thoughts, feelings, and actions around our individual, collective and interrelated work.

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Welcome to our podcast. We’re so glad you’re here refocusing on Whiteness without supremacy or shame. Listen. Like. Follow.

Instagram: @the.spillway | Facebook: @WithoutSupremacyorShame

For a transcript of this episode and more, please visit our website, www.thespillway.org

Mentioned in this episode:

The Spillway Community Guidelines

1. Engage sequentially. The show is a serial not episodic. We do this so we can build relation and find common ground and context. 2. We stay in our own lane. The Spillway is about White people talking to (predominately) White people about White people and White culture. We're not out here to critique anyone's actions but our own. 3. Our combined fabric of destiny. (3a) As Dr. King said, our humanities are deeply interconnected to each other. Racism negatively impacts me, too. (3b) The Spillway is one mechanism within a larger framework needed to sustain racial equity and justice. We're not a one-stop shop. 4. No one right way to liberation. We all share the same goals, but not every method works for every person. If this doesn't work for you. That's okay. Maybe it works for someone else.

After 9 weeks, 28 hours of recording, and 12 hours of published material Jenny and Loran identify the key findings of season one.

In the conclusion of our first attempt at a community assessment of White people and Whiteness, Loran and Jenny sit down to discuss the incredibly thoughtful interviews, moments, and themes which left a lasting impact on them.

Questions include:

• What clips had the biggest impact on you and why?
• What five themes did you find were being repeated over and over again?
• What three clips keep creeping into your consciousness when you least expect them?
• What was the hardest thing to learn/hold and why?
• If you could have every White person in the US hear one clip, what would it be and why?
• Did anything surprise you in the making of this?
• What would you do over if you could?
• What’s your biggest takeaway?
• What have you changed in your life since the podcast began?

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Loran references Alok's guest appearance on The Man Enough Podcast which may be viewed here.

Bonus materials for select episodes may be found on specific episode's pages on The Spillway's website. Loran references bonus materials for Evangeline's episode which may be found here. ==========

TRANSCRIPT DISCLAIMER: The following transcript was auto-transcribed by Descript software. It will be updated and cleaned in the coming weeks. Please reach out if you would like a transcript in the interim.

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Welcome to our podcast. We’re so glad you’re here refocusing on Whiteness without supremacy or shame. Listen. Like. Follow.

Instagram: @the.spillway | Facebook: @WithoutSupremacyorShame

For a transcript of this episode and more, please visit our website, www.thespillway.org

Mentioned in this episode:

The Spillway Community Guidelines

1. Engage sequentially. The show is a serial not episodic. We do this so we can build relation and find common ground and context. 2. We stay in our own lane. The Spillway is about White people talking to (predominately) White people about White people and White culture. We're not out here to critique anyone's actions but our own. 3. Our combined fabric of destiny. (3a) As Dr. King said, our humanities are deeply interconnected to each other. Racism negatively impacts me, too. (3b) The Spillway is one mechanism within a larger framework needed to sustain racial equity and justice. We're not a one-stop shop. 4. No one right way to liberation. We all share the same goals, but not every method works for every person. If this doesn't work for you. That's okay. Maybe it works for someone else.

Here we sit down with Trystan Reese (seriously, just Google him) to talk about what it means to hold the identities of White and LGBTQIA+ in the US today.

Some questions include:

• What does it mean to be a person who is both White and Queer? A person who is White and trans?
• Is there a difference between a White Queer person and a Queer White person?
• What patterns are you seeing within White queer and trans community as it relates to racial justice?
• How do we make sense of the vast overlap in the Venn diagram of White trans and queer culture and cancel culture?
• How do we show up intersectionally?

Trystan Reese is an established thought leader, educator, and speaker, focusing on issues of transgender inclusion, social and gender justice, diversity, equity, and inclusion. He is a professionally trained facilitator and curriculum designer, studying under Rev. Dr. Jamie Washington at the Social Justice Training Institute, mastering the art of anti-racist facilitation, consulting, and coaching. He studied Intercultural Organizational Development under Beth Zemsky and was mentored by Trina Olson from Team Dynamics. He has completed two immersive leadership training programs at Rockwood Leadership Institute and learned management skills and conflict resolution strategies from Leadership Development in Interethnic Relations. Trystan has also been organizing with the trans community for nearly two decades and has been on the frontlines of this generation’s biggest fights for LGBTQ justice.

Trystan launched onto the global stage as “the pregnant man” in 2017 when his family’s unique journey gained international media attention. He was invited to give closing performances for The Moth Mainstage in Portland, Albuquerque, and Brooklyn; the video of the Brooklyn event has garnered over 2.5 million views. Trystan partnered with many major media outlets, including CNN, NBC, People, and Buzzfeed, to bring his message of love and resilience to the mainstream.

As the founder of Collaborate Consulting, Trystan provides customized training solutions for individuals, organizations, and communities interested in social justice. He has trained hundreds of medical providers on LGBTQ inclusion, has delivered keynotes at dozens of conferences and convenings, and released his first two books just last year, “The Light of You” a book for 3-5 yo reading levels and then a book for older folks “What does it mean to be White and LGBTQIA+?

Here we sit down with Trystan Reese (seriously, just Google him) to talk about what it means to hold the identities of White and LGBTQIA+ in the US today.

Some questions include:

• What does it mean to be a person who is both White and Queer? A person who is White and trans?
• Is there a difference between a White Queer person and a Queer White person?
• What patterns are you seeing within White queer and trans community as it relates to racial justice?
• How do we make sense of the vast overlap in the Venn diagram of White trans and queer culture and cancel culture?
• How do we show up intersectionally?

Trystan Reese is an established thought leader, educator, and speaker, focusing on issues of transgender inclusion, social and gender justice, diversity, equity, and inclusion. He is a professionally trained facilitator and curriculum designer, studying under Rev. Dr. Jamie Washington at the Social Justice Training Institute, mastering the art of anti-racist facilitation, consulting, and coaching. He studied Intercultural Organizational Development under Beth Zemsky and was mentored by Trina Olson from Team Dynamics. He has completed two immersive leadership training programs at Rockwood Leadership Institute and learned management skills and conflict resolution strategies from Leadership Development in Interethnic Relations. Trystan has also been organizing with the trans community for nearly two decades and has been on the frontlines of this generation’s biggest fights for LGBTQ justice.

Trystan launched onto the global stage as “the pregnant man” in 2017 when his family’s unique journey gained international media attention. He was invited to give closing performances for The Moth Mainstage in Portland, Albuquerque, and Brooklyn; the video of the Brooklyn event has garnered over 2.5 million views. Trystan partnered with many major media outlets, including CNN, NBC, People, and Buzzfeed, to bring his message of love and resilience to the mainstream.

As the founder of Collaborate Consulting, Trystan provides customized training solutions for individuals, organizations, and communities interested in social justice. He has trained hundreds of medical providers on LGBTQ inclusion, has delivered keynotes at dozens of conferences and convenings, and released his first two books just last year, “The Light of You” a book for 3-5 yo reading levels and then a book for older folks “How We Do Family: From Adoption to Trans Pregnancy, What We Learned about Love and LGBTQ Parenthood.”

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TRANSCRIPT DISCLAIMER: The following transcript was auto-transcribed by Descript software. It will be updated and cleaned in the coming weeks. Please reach out if you would like a transcript in the interim.

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Welcome to our podcast. We’re so glad you’re here refocusing on Whiteness without supremacy or shame. Listen. Like. Follow.

Instagram: @the.spillway | Facebook: @WithoutSupremacyorShame

For a transcript of this episode and more, please visit our website, www.thespillway.org

Mentioned in this episode:

The Spillway Community Guidelines

1. Engage sequentially. The show is a serial not episodic. We do this so we can build relation and find common ground and context. 2. We stay in our own lane. The Spillway is about White people talking to (predominately) White people about White people and White culture. We're not out here to critique anyone's actions but our own. 3. Our combined fabric of destiny. (3a) As Dr. King said, our humanities are deeply interconnected to each other. Racism negatively impacts me, too. (3b) The Spillway is one mechanism within a larger framework needed to sustain racial equity and justice. We're not a one-stop shop. 4. No one right way to liberation. We all share the same goals, but not every method works for every person. If this doesn't work for you. That's okay. Maybe it works for someone else.

What does it mean for White men to define their unfiltered experience, living in the US in the '20s?

Loran and Jenny host a focus group with four White men who share their experiences of race and racism in the US today. When was the last time you heard a White man talk about what it means to be a White man without supremacy or shame?

Are any stereotypes or tropes outdated?

What are we getting right?

What are we getting wrong?

In this second episode, everyone jumps into the same conversation together. From COVID to incarceration, to wedding invites and ass-less chaps the White male participants cover a lot of ground.

This conversation is part of a larger approach this season to talk about race at the intersection of gender. Please also make sure to check out Episode Two with Breakthrough for Men founder, Fred Jealous and Episode 8 "Beyond White Supremacy: Healing White Men as form of Violence Prevention and Harm Reduction."

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In the episode Loran asks the men to interpret the data from the Center for Disease Control COVID tracker which may be found here.

Loran fact checks current incarceration figures with data published in 2003.

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TRANSCRIPT DISCLAIMER: The following transcript was auto-transcribed by Descript software. It will be updated and cleaned in the coming weeks. Please reach out if you would like a transcript in the interim.

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Welcome to our podcast. We’re so glad you’re here refocusing on Whiteness without supremacy or shame. Listen. Like. Follow.

Instagram: @the.spillway | Facebook: @WithoutSupremacyorShame

For a transcript of this episode and more, please visit our website, www.thespillway.org

Mentioned in this episode:

The Spillway Community Guidelines

1. Engage sequentially. The show is a serial not episodic. We do this so we can build relation and find common ground and context. 2. We stay in our own lane. The Spillway is about White people talking to (predominately) White people about White people and White culture. We're not out here to critique anyone's actions but our own. 3. Our combined fabric of destiny. (3a) As Dr. King said, our humanities are deeply interconnected to each other. Racism negatively impacts me, too. (3b) The Spillway is one mechanism within a larger framework needed to sustain racial equity and justice. We're not a one-stop shop. 4. No one right way to liberation. We all share the same goals, but not every method works for every person. If this doesn't work for you. That's okay. Maybe it works for someone else.

Loran and Jenny host a focus group with four White men who share their experiences of race and racism in the US today. When was the last time you heard a White man talk about what it means to be a White man without supremacy or shame?

Are any stereotypes or tropes outdated?

What are we getting right?

What are we getting wrong?

In this first episode, we meet each man as he shares with us a bit of who he is and how his ability to be in good relationship with himself and others is/n't impacted by race and racism.

This conversation is part of a larger approach this season to talk about race at the intersection of gender. Please also make sure to check out Episode Two with Breakthrough for Men founder, Fred Jealous and Episode 8 "Beyond White Supremacy: Healing White Men as form of Violence Prevention and Harm Reduction."

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In the episode, Loran gives a rather long and detailed list of empirical data which speak to the irrefutable data points of White manhood as it exists in 2022:

White men make up 58% of the US House of Representatives, 60% of State Wide officials, 63% of county officials, 67% of US senators, 72% of elected prosecutors, 76% of governors, and 91% of sheriffs.

61.8% of the US prison population

51.7% of all mass shootings since 1966

White men are more likely to have heart disease than anyone else by race or gender (nearly 8 percent of all White men)

Middle aged White men have the highest suicide rates of any race or gender. Suicidality increases eye further if I White man is unmarried and even more so if the White man has a high school diploma or less.

The life expectancy of White men is 75.5 which is lower Asian and Hispanic men and women’s life expectancies as well as Black and White women life expectancies; all of which are in the upper 70s/lower eighties.

Of business owners in the US, more than any other by race and gender are White men at 41%, according to Forbes.

The Center for Employment Equity out of the University of Massachusetts Amherst finds that:

• White men’s advantages are weaker, and sometimes absent, in occupations that require educational certification. Educational requirements favor women’s employment.
• For working class jobs, White men face considerable employment competition from minority men in these same states with large minority workforces.
• White men have advantaged...]]>What does it mean for White men to define their unfiltered experience, living in the US in the '20s?

  Loran and Jenny host a focus group with four White men who share their experiences of race and racism in the US today. When was the last time you heard a White man talk about what it means to be a White man without supremacy or shame?

  Are any stereotypes or tropes outdated?

  What are we getting right?

  What are we getting wrong?

  In this first episode, we meet each man as he shares with us a bit of who he is and how his ability to be in good relationship with himself and others is/n't impacted by race and racism.

  This conversation is part of a larger approach this season to talk about race at the intersection of gender. Please also make sure to check out Episode Two with Breakthrough for Men founder, Fred Jealous and Episode 8 "Beyond White Supremacy: Healing White Men as form of Violence Prevention and Harm Reduction."

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  In the episode, Loran gives a rather long and detailed list of empirical data which speak to the irrefutable data points of White manhood as it exists in 2022:

  White men make up 58% of the US House of Representatives, 60% of State Wide officials, 63% of county officials, 67% of US senators, 72% of elected prosecutors, 76% of governors, and 91% of sheriffs.

  61.8% of the US prison population

  51.7% of all mass shootings since 1966

  White men are more likely to have heart disease than anyone else by race or gender (nearly 8 percent of all White men)

  Middle aged White men have the highest suicide rates of any race or gender. Suicidality increases eye further if I White man is unmarried and even more so if the White man has a high school diploma or less.

  The life expectancy of White men is 75.5 which is lower Asian and Hispanic men and women’s life expectancies as well as Black and White women life expectancies; all of which are in the upper 70s/lower eighties.

  Of business owners in the US, more than any other by race and gender are White men at 41%, according to Forbes.

  The Center for Employment Equity out of the University of Massachusetts Amherst finds that:

  • White men’s advantages are weaker, and sometimes absent, in occupations that require educational certification. Educational requirements favor women’s employment.
  • For working class jobs, White men face considerable employment competition from minority men in these same states with large minority workforces.
  • White men have advantaged access to high paying white and blue collar jobs in most states.
  
  

  319 of the nearly 400 people arrested at the or in connection to the insurrection at the US capitol are White men, 79.9%.

  The Chicago Project on Security and Threats (CPOST) out of the University of Chicago finds that

  • The odds of sending an insurrectionist was six times higher in counties where % non Hispanic whites declined.
  • Among Americans, believing that blacks and Hispanics are overtaking Whites increases odds of being in the insurrectionist movement three fold
  • Among conservative Americans, fear that blacks and Hispanics will have more rights than whites increases odds of being in the insurrectionist movement two fold
  
  

  55.7% of White men do not have a college degree.

  The Federal Bureau of Investigations' Uniform Crime Reporting Program finds that White men are disproportionately arrested in nearly every category they control for:

  71% of all arrests made for arson are for White men, sex offensives (72%) rape (68%), liquor law violations (78.4%), DUIs (81%), aggravated assault (61.9%), burglary (68.1%), fraud (65%), embezzlement (62%) vandalism (67.6%), illegally carry or possessing a weapon (54.4%), drug abuse (70.6%), offensives against family and children (67.4%), and disorderly conduct (63.7%) white men.

  More White men than any other race and gender (except White women) receive food stamps. Or the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program benefits (or SNAP benefits) at 15.5%.

  Of those who wrote, edited, drafted, voted, debated, and passed the US Constitution’s first 15 amendments (out of 27) — the governing document by which all other laws are evaluated on their legality 100% were by White men.

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  TRANSCRIPT DISCLAIMER: The following transcript was auto-transcribed by Descript software. It will be updated and cleaned in the coming weeks. Please reach out if you would like a transcript in the interim.

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  Welcome to our podcast. We’re so glad you’re here refocusing on Whiteness without supremacy or shame. Listen. Like. Follow.

  Instagram: @the.spillway | Facebook: @WithoutSupremacyorShame

  For a transcript of this episode and more, please visit our website, www.thespillway.org

  Mentioned in this episode:

  The Spillway Community Guidelines

  1. Engage sequentially. The show is a serial not episodic. We do this so we can build relation and find common ground and context. 2. We stay in our own lane. The Spillway is about White people talking to (predominately) White people about White people and White culture. We're not out here to critique anyone's actions but our own. 3. Our combined fabric of destiny. (3a) As Dr. King said, our humanities are deeply interconnected to each other. Racism negatively impacts me, too. (3b) The Spillway is one mechanism within a larger framework needed to sustain racial equity and justice. We're not a one-stop shop. 4. No one right way to liberation. We all share the same goals, but not every method works for every person. If this doesn't work for you. That's okay. Maybe it works for someone else.

  ]]>c1bb2a52-a3c6-44e7-a635-f754d216d77fSat, 04 Jun 2022 02:30:00 -040001:31:39truefull1111111The SpillwayHuman Things: Holding Space after BuffaloHow should White people respond/act/feel/think after another White nationalist massacre?

  In this special episode Jenny and Loran hold space for each other and other White people in a way that honors the paradox of being White in the US. We’ll reconvene with our regularly scheduled focus group next week.

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  In the episode Loran references the Ashtin Berry Instagram post which may be found here.

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  Welcome to our podcast. We’re so glad you’re here refocusing on Whiteness without supremacy or shame. Listen. Like. Follow.

  Instagram: @the.spillway | Facebook: @WithoutSupremacyorShame

  For a transcript of this episode and more, please visit our website, www.thespillway.org

  Mentioned in this episode:

  The Spillway Community Guidelines

  1. Engage sequentially. The show is a serial not episodic. We do this so we can build relation and find common ground and context. 2. We stay in our own lane. The Spillway is about White people talking to (predominately) White people about White people and White culture. We're not out here to critique anyone's actions but our own. 3. Our combined fabric of destiny. (3a) As Dr. King said, our humanities are deeply interconnected to each other. Racism negatively impacts me, too. (3b) The Spillway is one mechanism within a larger framework needed to sustain racial equity and justice. We're not a one-stop shop. 4. No one right way to liberation. We all share the same goals, but not every method works for every person. If this doesn't work for you. That's okay. Maybe it works for someone else.

  ]]>How should White people respond/act/feel/think after another White nationalist massacre?

  In this special episode Jenny and Loran hold space for each other and other White people in a way that honors the paradox of being White in the US. We’ll reconvene with our regularly scheduled focus group next week.

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  In the episode Loran references the Ashtin Berry Instagram post which may be found here.

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  Welcome to our podcast. We’re so glad you’re here refocusing on Whiteness without supremacy or shame. Listen. Like. Follow.

  Instagram: @the.spillway | Facebook: @WithoutSupremacyorShame

  For a transcript of this episode and more, please visit our website, www.thespillway.org

  Mentioned in this episode:

  The Spillway Community Guidelines

  1. Engage sequentially. The show is a serial not episodic. We do this so we can build relation and find common ground and context. 2. We stay in our own lane. The Spillway is about White people talking to (predominately) White people about White people and White culture. We're not out here to critique anyone's actions but our own. 3. Our combined fabric of destiny. (3a) As Dr. King said, our humanities are deeply interconnected to each other. Racism negatively impacts me, too. (3b) The Spillway is one mechanism within a larger framework needed to sustain racial equity and justice. We're not a one-stop shop. 4. No one right way to liberation. We all share the same goals, but not every method works for every person. If this doesn't work for you. That's okay. Maybe it works for someone else.

  ]]>7eb3cf4e-544b-40a2-9ef4-a637255f4a41Sat, 04 Jun 2022 02:15:00 -040032:31truefull1101101The SpillwayBeyond White Supremacy: Healing White Men as Tools for Violence Prevention and Harm Reduction with Ben Jealous, Pablo Cerdera, Loran Grishow-Schade, & Fred JealousWhy is healing White men critical within racial equity work? What can prevention and harm reduction look like in US culture?

  Loran sits down with Ben Jealous (President, People for the American Way and former President and CEO of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People [NAACP]), Pablo Cerdera (Founding Associate Director, Restorative Practices at Penn), and Fred Jealous (Founder, Breakthrough for Men) for a conversation hosted by The University of Pennsylvania School of Social Policy and Practice (SP2) and co-sponsored by People for the American Way.

  Ben Jealous has spent his professional life at the nexus of social change, media, and emerging technologies. He is a former Democratic Nominee for Governor of Maryland, former National President & CEO of the NAACP, former Executive Director of the National Newspaper Publishers Association (NNPA), and for more than half a decade has been investing in social impact startups. While at the NAACP, Jealous led a series of wholesale changes in how the organization used social media and related technologies to enhance its organizing, He is a Professor of Practice at the Annenberg School for Communication, Penn Law School, and the School of Social Policy & Practice. His efforts started with proving the efficacy of online viral voter registration drives in the 2008 Presidential Election. The NAACP's numbers of online activists really took off when Jealous began using their platforms to organize support for individuals fighting injustices in the criminal justice system. The last such campaign he led for the NAACP signed up more than 600,000 new activists on email and approximately 400,000 via text in less than two weeks. These efforts have also been credited by a major polling firm with shifting public opinion and paving the way for landmark civil rights state legislative victories.

  Pablo Cerdera is a Restorative Justice (RJ) Practitioner and Educator and has been the Associate Director of Restorative Practices @ Penn since February 2020. He began his professional work at the Legal Rights Center in Minneapolis and has volunteered or worked as an RJ practitioner with Restorative Justice Community Action, the Conflict Resolution Center, the Good Shepherd Mediation Program, and Let's Circle Up. He is committed to sharing the restorative approach and firmly believes in the power to transform harm, promote meaningful accountability, and develop strong and healthy communities through this approach.

  Fred Jealous, created Why is healing White men critical within racial equity work? What can prevention and harm reduction look like in US culture?

  Loran sits down with Ben Jealous (President, People for the American Way and former President and CEO of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People [NAACP]), Pablo Cerdera (Founding Associate Director, Restorative Practices at Penn), and Fred Jealous (Founder, Breakthrough for Men) for a conversation hosted by The University of Pennsylvania School of Social Policy and Practice (SP2) and co-sponsored by People for the American Way.

  Ben Jealous has spent his professional life at the nexus of social change, media, and emerging technologies. He is a former Democratic Nominee for Governor of Maryland, former National President & CEO of the NAACP, former Executive Director of the National Newspaper Publishers Association (NNPA), and for more than half a decade has been investing in social impact startups. While at the NAACP, Jealous led a series of wholesale changes in how the organization used social media and related technologies to enhance its organizing, He is a Professor of Practice at the Annenberg School for Communication, Penn Law School, and the School of Social Policy & Practice. His efforts started with proving the efficacy of online viral voter registration drives in the 2008 Presidential Election. The NAACP's numbers of online activists really took off when Jealous began using their platforms to organize support for individuals fighting injustices in the criminal justice system. The last such campaign he led for the NAACP signed up more than 600,000 new activists on email and approximately 400,000 via text in less than two weeks. These efforts have also been credited by a major polling firm with shifting public opinion and paving the way for landmark civil rights state legislative victories.

  Pablo Cerdera is a Restorative Justice (RJ) Practitioner and Educator and has been the Associate Director of Restorative Practices @ Penn since February 2020. He began his professional work at the Legal Rights Center in Minneapolis and has volunteered or worked as an RJ practitioner with Restorative Justice Community Action, the Conflict Resolution Center, the Good Shepherd Mediation Program, and Let's Circle Up. He is committed to sharing the restorative approach and firmly believes in the power to transform harm, promote meaningful accountability, and develop strong and healthy communities through this approach.

  Fred Jealous, created Breakthrough, a non-profit organization in 1987. As a teacher of nonviolent communication, this organization aims to provide men with skills to free themselves from non-productive, painful, or abusive aspects of their lives. Jealous, also a leader in his community, has empowered hundreds of men to begin to create the lives they have always wanted through education and support in a supportive group-learning setting in Santa Cruz and Monterey Counties. Prior to Breakthrough, he spent many years as a teacher at all levels from preschool to graduate school. Locally, he taught Social Science courses and developed programs for veterans in transition, at Monterey Peninsula College. He created Monterey County's first Men's Alternatives to Violence Program, and he chaired the statewide coalition of alternatives to violence programs. He founded the local chapter of the National Coalition Building Institute, an organization that does workshops on reducing prejudice and claiming pride in our heritage.

  This conversation was part of the SP2 Speakers Series (2021-2022). As part of the school's effort to host "conversations about race, equity, and justice with experts on social policy and social work." The conversation is moderated by Ben. SP2 Dean Sara S. Bachman, PhD introduces the event. Closing remarks by the SP2 Associate Dean for Inclusion, Joretha N. Bourjolly, MSW, PhD.

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  During the episode, Fred references a post made by Loran and The Spillway promoting the event. That post may be found here.

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  Welcome to our podcast. We’re so glad you’re here refocusing on Whiteness without supremacy or shame. Listen. Subscribe. Rate.

  Instagram: @the.spillway | Facebook: @WithoutSupremacyorShame

  For a transcript of this episode and more, please visit our website, www.thespillway.org

  Mentioned in this episode:

  The Spillway Community Guidelines

  1. Engage sequentially. The show is a serial not episodic. We do this so we can build relation and find common ground and context. 2. We stay in our own lane. The Spillway is about White people talking to (predominately) White people about White people and White culture. We're not out here to critique anyone's actions but our own. 3. Our combined fabric of destiny. (3a) As Dr. King said, our humanities are deeply interconnected to each other. Racism negatively impacts me, too. (3b) The Spillway is one mechanism within a larger framework needed to sustain racial equity and justice. We're not a one-stop shop. 4. No one right way to liberation. We all share the same goals, but not every method works for every person. If this doesn't work for you. That's okay. Maybe it works for someone else.

  ]]>a83d0dc8-309d-4be8-a014-ee0f46fda86bSat, 04 Jun 2022 02:00:00 -040001:17:30truefull19191Why is healing White men critical within racial equity work? What can prevention and harm reduction look like in US culture? Loran sits down with Ben Jealous (President, People for the American Way and former President and CEO of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People [NAACP]), Pablo Cerdera (Founding Associate Director, Restorative Practices at Penn), and Fred Jealous (Founder, Breakthrough for Men) for a conversation hosted by The University of Pennsylvania School of Social Policy and Practice (SP2) and co-sponsored by People for the American Way.The SpillwayChute Block: Perpetration-Induced Traumatic StressWhat is Perpetration-Induced Traumatic Stress (PITS)?

  Moral Injury?

  How are White people negatively impacted by racism, too?

  In these shorter episodes, called “chute blocks,” Loran and Jenny explore the ideas and concepts which inform the work of The Spillway.

  Mentioned in this episode:

  The Spillway Community Guidelines

  1. Engage sequentially. The show is a serial not episodic. We do this so we can build relation and find common ground and context. 2. We stay in our own lane. The Spillway is about White people talking to (predominately) White people about White people and White culture. We're not out here to critique anyone's actions but our own. 3. Our combined fabric of destiny. (3a) As Dr. King said, our humanities are deeply interconnected to each other. Racism negatively impacts me, too. (3b) The Spillway is one mechanism within a larger framework needed to sustain racial equity and justice. We're not a one-stop shop. 4. No one right way to liberation. We all share the same goals, but not every method works for every person. If this doesn't work for you. That's okay. Maybe it works for someone else.

  ]]>What is Perpetration-Induced Traumatic Stress (PITS)?

  Moral Injury?

  How are White people negatively impacted by racism, too?

  In these shorter episodes, called “chute blocks,” Loran and Jenny explore the ideas and concepts which inform the work of The Spillway.

  Mentioned in this episode:

  The Spillway Community Guidelines

  1. Engage sequentially. The show is a serial not episodic. We do this so we can build relation and find common ground and context. 2. We stay in our own lane. The Spillway is about White people talking to (predominately) White people about White people and White culture. We're not out here to critique anyone's actions but our own. 3. Our combined fabric of destiny. (3a) As Dr. King said, our humanities are deeply interconnected to each other. Racism negatively impacts me, too. (3b) The Spillway is one mechanism within a larger framework needed to sustain racial equity and justice. We're not a one-stop shop. 4. No one right way to liberation. We all share the same goals, but not every method works for every person. If this doesn't work for you. That's okay. Maybe it works for someone else.

  ]]>d67d29e1-33e6-4284-b5ef-550525dd3a6eSat, 04 Jun 2022 01:45:00 -040025:41truefull18181The SpillwayThe Whites of the Round Table: Lynn Burnett, Jared Karol, & Jill NagleWhat does it mean to work to be White while working to end White supremacy and shame cultures?

  Loran and Jenny sit down with Lynn Burnett (Founder, CrossCulturalSolidarity.com and The White AntiRacist Ancestry Project), Jared Karol (Founder, JaredKarol.com and author “A White Guy Confronting Racism”), and Jill Nagle (Founder, Evolutionary Workplace and acclaimed author) to talk about working with other White people in conversations of racial equity.

  Who's are these Whites of the Round Table?

  Lynn Burnett is a former high school history teacher, and the founder of CrossCulturalSolidarity.com and the White Antiracist Ancestry Project. At Cross Cultural Solidarity, he has built over 100 racial justice history resources, and aims to turn the site into a place where people can plug into the entire universe of racial justice history. The premise of the White Antiracist Ancestry Project is that it will be easier to mobilize masses of White people for racial justice if they have powerful and inspiring examples of White antiracism to guide and inspire them. Based on that premise, the project aims to mainstream essential stories and lessons from White antiracist history.

  Jared Karol is the founder of JaredKarol.com, a consulting firm specializing in guiding White people to confront racism and be unapologetic antiracists. As a trusted advisor, he guides executives, people managers, and dedicated change agents at Fortune 500 companies, startups, and nonprofits. A sought-after professional speaker, panel moderator, leadership coach, and facilitator of difficult conversations, Jared’s storytelling approach inspires and influences individuals and groups worldwide. His first book, A White Guy Confronting Racism: An Invitation to Reflect and Act, was released in November, 2021. An avid reader, accomplished musician, and active meditator, he lives with his family in the San Francisco Bay Area. 

  Jill Nagle has been published or reviewed more than 150 times in the genres of business, personal growth, fiction, nonfiction, poetry, and social commentary, including American Book Review, The Women’s Review of Books, Zendeskblog, and many more. She founded Evolutionary Workplace, and Wisdom of The Body: Beyond Talk Therapy, and cofounded Awake Parent Perspectives. She is a regular contributor to AfroSap-ee-o-file, and you can see her Medium.com articles with a link in our show notes . With Dr. Cleo Muh-nah-go, she co-facilitates the 22nd Century Leaders program for white anti-racist leaders, whose next cohort starts in September 2022.

  ==========

  During the...]]>What does it mean to work to be White while working to end White supremacy and shame cultures?

  Loran and Jenny sit down with Lynn Burnett (Founder, CrossCulturalSolidarity.com and The White AntiRacist Ancestry Project), Jared Karol (Founder, JaredKarol.com and author “A White Guy Confronting Racism”), and Jill Nagle (Founder, Evolutionary Workplace and acclaimed author) to talk about working with other White people in conversations of racial equity.

  Who's are these Whites of the Round Table?

  Lynn Burnett is a former high school history teacher, and the founder of CrossCulturalSolidarity.com and the White Antiracist Ancestry Project. At Cross Cultural Solidarity, he has built over 100 racial justice history resources, and aims to turn the site into a place where people can plug into the entire universe of racial justice history. The premise of the White Antiracist Ancestry Project is that it will be easier to mobilize masses of White people for racial justice if they have powerful and inspiring examples of White antiracism to guide and inspire them. Based on that premise, the project aims to mainstream essential stories and lessons from White antiracist history.

  Jared Karol is the founder of JaredKarol.com, a consulting firm specializing in guiding White people to confront racism and be unapologetic antiracists. As a trusted advisor, he guides executives, people managers, and dedicated change agents at Fortune 500 companies, startups, and nonprofits. A sought-after professional speaker, panel moderator, leadership coach, and facilitator of difficult conversations, Jared’s storytelling approach inspires and influences individuals and groups worldwide. His first book, A White Guy Confronting Racism: An Invitation to Reflect and Act, was released in November, 2021. An avid reader, accomplished musician, and active meditator, he lives with his family in the San Francisco Bay Area. 

  Jill Nagle has been published or reviewed more than 150 times in the genres of business, personal growth, fiction, nonfiction, poetry, and social commentary, including American Book Review, The Women’s Review of Books, Zendeskblog, and many more. She founded Evolutionary Workplace, and Wisdom of The Body: Beyond Talk Therapy, and cofounded Awake Parent Perspectives. She is a regular contributor to AfroSap-ee-o-file, and you can see her Medium.com articles with a link in our show notes . With Dr. Cleo Muh-nah-go, she co-facilitates the 22nd Century Leaders program for white anti-racist leaders, whose next cohort starts in September 2022.

  ==========

  During the episode, Loran references “Accountability Abuse” and mentions some resources. Start here:

  • Tada Hozumi, Understanding Accountability Abuse
  • Ian Arawjo, On dehumanization, accountability abuse, and transformative justice
  
  

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  Materials Referenced in the Episode

  We Will Not Cancel Us: And Other Dreams of Transformative Justice, Adrienne Maree Brown

  The Wake Up: Closing the Gap Between Good Intentions and Real Change, Michelle Kim

  ==========

  Welcome to our podcast. We’re so glad you’re here refocusing on Whiteness without supremacy or shame. Listen. Like. Follow.

  Instagram: @the.spillway | Facebook: @WithoutSupremacyorShame

  For a transcript of this episode and more, please visit our website, www.thespillway.org

  Mentioned in this episode:

  The Spillway Community Guidelines

  1. Engage sequentially. The show is a serial not episodic. We do this so we can build relation and find common ground and context. 2. We stay in our own lane. The Spillway is about White people talking to (predominately) White people about White people and White culture. We're not out here to critique anyone's actions but our own. 3. Our combined fabric of destiny. (3a) As Dr. King said, our humanities are deeply interconnected to each other. Racism negatively impacts me, too. (3b) The Spillway is one mechanism within a larger framework needed to sustain racial equity and justice. We're not a one-stop shop. 4. No one right way to liberation. We all share the same goals, but not every method works for every person. If this doesn't work for you. That's okay. Maybe it works for someone else.

  ]]>cf90215c-5111-40f3-8610-38010fef9b2fSat, 04 Jun 2022 01:30:00 -040001:10:30truefull17171What does it mean to be White while working to end White supremacy? Loran and Jenny sit down with Lynn Burnett (Founder, CrossCulturalSolidarity.com and The White AntiRacist Ancestry Project), Jared Karol (Founder, JaredKarol.com and author “A White Guy Confronting Racism”), and Jill Nagle (Founder, Evolutionary Workplace and acclaimed author) to talk about working with other White people in conversations of racial equity.The SpillwayA Better F***ing Party than White Supremacy & Evangeline WeissAlternative title: Cancel Culture and White Women & Evangeline Weiss

  What does it mean to be a White woman in the US today without supremacy or shame?

  What does it mean to hold cancel culture as White supremacist and shame culture?

  Loran and Jenny sit down with Evangeline Weiss, founder of Beyond Conflict & co-founder of We Are Finding Freedom to talk about how cancel culture replicates White supremacy culture and the intersection of race and gender as it applies to White women.

  Questions include:

  • How do we hold the evolving nature of the human experience amidst accountability (and accountability abuse)?
  • How do we get more White people to center love in our work?
  • What does forgiveness and grace look like in our work of supporting other White people?
  • How do we make sense of the intersection of gender and race?
  • Do White women have any inherent qualities or attributes?
  • What, if anything, do you want to interrupt & expand within White women?
  • How do we find other White people to unpack racial equity with?
  • What's the role of fallibility in our work?
  
  

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  Evangeline Weiss Projects & Contact Info

  ==========

  linktree for Finding Freedom: https://linktr.ee/wearefindingfreedom.org

  Finding Freedom is a 5 part online workshop series for white women and gender queer people to examine our internalized dominance and collusion with racism. Upcoming workshops can be found here. @wearefindingfreedom on instagram

  We still have spots available for Seeing the Forest: Reckoning with Our Roots for a Racially Just Future. If there is one thing we know, this work is meant to be done in relationship with others. Here is the Registration link:https:/done/bit.ly/StF2022.

  Linktree for Evangeline: https://linktr.ee/evangelineweis

  Monthly free, white anti-racist space. The caucus is a drop-in space (no need to tell us you're coming or not) and we ask you to RSVP 1 time, so we can make sure you're on the calendar invite. Next Session is April 22nd, 12:00-1:30pm ET. 

  Information about coaching for white people, organizational change and other offerings can be found on Evangeline's website, www.gobeyondconflict.com

  Sign up for my monthly Postcard from North Carolina by clicking here and follow her on instagram, @evangelineweis

  =====

  At the beginning of the episode Loran and Jenny talk about White people using "Karen" on other White people. Want to explore the use of Karens in the cross-cultural context? Check out this bonus mini-sode with Evangeline.

  Jenny references a podcast episode that Evangeline was a guest speaker on. You may find it here. (Alternative title: Cancel Culture and White Women & Evangeline Weiss

  What does it mean to be a White woman in the US today without supremacy or shame?

  What does it mean to hold cancel culture as White supremacist and shame culture?

  Loran and Jenny sit down with Evangeline Weiss, founder of Beyond Conflict & co-founder of We Are Finding Freedom to talk about how cancel culture replicates White supremacy culture and the intersection of race and gender as it applies to White women.

  Questions include:

  • How do we hold the evolving nature of the human experience amidst accountability (and accountability abuse)?
  • How do we get more White people to center love in our work?
  • What does forgiveness and grace look like in our work of supporting other White people?
  • How do we make sense of the intersection of gender and race?
  • Do White women have any inherent qualities or attributes?
  • What, if anything, do you want to interrupt & expand within White women?
  • How do we find other White people to unpack racial equity with?
  • What's the role of fallibility in our work?
  
  

  ==========

  Evangeline Weiss Projects & Contact Info

  ==========

  linktree for Finding Freedom: https://linktr.ee/wearefindingfreedom.org

  Finding Freedom is a 5 part online workshop series for white women and gender queer people to examine our internalized dominance and collusion with racism. Upcoming workshops can be found here. @wearefindingfreedom on instagram

  We still have spots available for Seeing the Forest: Reckoning with Our Roots for a Racially Just Future. If there is one thing we know, this work is meant to be done in relationship with others. Here is the Registration link:https:/done/bit.ly/StF2022.

  Linktree for Evangeline: https://linktr.ee/evangelineweis

  Monthly free, white anti-racist space. The caucus is a drop-in space (no need to tell us you're coming or not) and we ask you to RSVP 1 time, so we can make sure you're on the calendar invite. Next Session is April 22nd, 12:00-1:30pm ET. 

  Information about coaching for white people, organizational change and other offerings can be found on Evangeline's website, www.gobeyondconflict.com

  Sign up for my monthly Postcard from North Carolina by clicking here and follow her on instagram, @evangelineweis

  =====

  At the beginning of the episode Loran and Jenny talk about White people using "Karen" on other White people. Want to explore the use of Karens in the cross-cultural context? Check out this bonus mini-sode with Evangeline.

  Jenny references a podcast episode that Evangeline was a guest speaker on. You may find it here. (Finding Hope by Mandy Bird, EP. 20 "Breaking the Silence" with Evangeline Weiss)

  =====

  Welcome to our podcast. We’re so glad you’re here refocusing on Whiteness without supremacy or shame. Listen. Like. Follow.

  Instagram: @the.spillway | Facebook: @WithoutSupremacyorShame

  For a transcript of this episode and more, please visit our website, www.thespillway.org

  Mentioned in this episode:

  The Spillway Community Guidelines

  1. Engage sequentially. The show is a serial not episodic. We do this so we can build relation and find common ground and context. 2. We stay in our own lane. The Spillway is about White people talking to (predominately) White people about White people and White culture. We're not out here to critique anyone's actions but our own. 3. Our combined fabric of destiny. (3a) As Dr. King said, our humanities are deeply interconnected to each other. Racism negatively impacts me, too. (3b) The Spillway is one mechanism within a larger framework needed to sustain racial equity and justice. We're not a one-stop shop. 4. No one right way to liberation. We all share the same goals, but not every method works for every person. If this doesn't work for you. That's okay. Maybe it works for someone else.

  ]]>fcaee974-9b4a-41e5-971c-339a68922316Sat, 04 Jun 2022 01:15:00 -040001:07:57truefull16161Loran and Jenny sit down with Evangeline Weiss, founder of Beyond Conflict & co-founder of We Are Finding Freedom to talk about how cancel culture replicates White supremacy culture and the intersection of race and gender as it applies to White women.The SpillwayChute Block: InterGenerational TraumaWhat is interGenerational trauma and how is it impacting White people?

  In these shorter episodes, called "chute blocks," Loran and Jenny explore the ideas and concepts which inform the work of The Spillway.

  What to expect in the episode:

  • InterGenerational Trauma fundamentals
  • Implications for our work in the present-day
  • How working with our interGenerational trauma will change our future
  
  

  =====

  Welcome to our podcast. We’re so glad you’re here refocusing on Whiteness without supremacy or shame. Listen. Like. Follow.

  Instagram: @the.spillway | Facebook: @WithoutSupremacyorShame

  For a transcript of this episode and more, please visit our website, www.thespillway.org

  Mentioned in this episode:

  The Spillway Community Guidelines

  1. Engage sequentially. The show is a serial not episodic. We do this so we can build relation and find common ground and context. 2. We stay in our own lane. The Spillway is about White people talking to (predominately) White people about White people and White culture. We're not out here to critique anyone's actions but our own. 3. Our combined fabric of destiny. (3a) As Dr. King said, our humanities are deeply interconnected to each other. Racism negatively impacts me, too. (3b) The Spillway is one mechanism within a larger framework needed to sustain racial equity and justice. We're not a one-stop shop. 4. No one right way to liberation. We all share the same goals, but not every method works for every person. If this doesn't work for you. That's okay. Maybe it works for someone else.

  ]]>What is interGenerational trauma and how is it impacting White people?

  In these shorter episodes, called "chute blocks," Loran and Jenny explore the ideas and concepts which inform the work of The Spillway.

  What to expect in the episode:

  • InterGenerational Trauma fundamentals
  • Implications for our work in the present-day
  • How working with our interGenerational trauma will change our future
  
  

  =====

  Welcome to our podcast. We’re so glad you’re here refocusing on Whiteness without supremacy or shame. Listen. Like. Follow.

  Instagram: @the.spillway | Facebook: @WithoutSupremacyorShame

  For a transcript of this episode and more, please visit our website, www.thespillway.org

  Mentioned in this episode:

  The Spillway Community Guidelines

  1. Engage sequentially. The show is a serial not episodic. We do this so we can build relation and find common ground and context. 2. We stay in our own lane. The Spillway is about White people talking to (predominately) White people about White people and White culture. We're not out here to critique anyone's actions but our own. 3. Our combined fabric of destiny. (3a) As Dr. King said, our humanities are deeply interconnected to each other. Racism negatively impacts me, too. (3b) The Spillway is one mechanism within a larger framework needed to sustain racial equity and justice. We're not a one-stop shop. 4. No one right way to liberation. We all share the same goals, but not every method works for every person. If this doesn't work for you. That's okay. Maybe it works for someone else.

  ]]>68d5676a-7bcd-4677-b262-30a396306f9dSat, 04 Jun 2022 01:00:00 -040023:59truefull15151The SpillwayWhite Academia & Amy Hillier, MSW, PhDWhat does it mean to teach and talk about race and racism in our education systems? What does it mean to be White in academia?

  Here we sit down with Dr. Amy Hillier, MSW, Associate Professor at The School of Social Policy and Practice at the University of Pennsylvania with the following outline:

  What is CRT look like in your classrooms?

  What are we getting right and wrong about CRT today?

  What are White students saying in classrooms about race and racism?

  How do we translate ideas into praxis? Do you see a role in emotionally and physically locating and embodying ideas?

  Do you think de-centering Whiteness supports or undermines Derrick Bell’s concept of interest convergence?

  Dr. Hillier's research has focused on historical housing and public health disparities including mortgage redlining, affordable housing, healthy foods, park use and access, and outdoor advertising. Her most recent research focuses on transgender youth and their families. With Dr. Stephanie Boddie, she co-directs The Ward, a research, teaching, and public history project dedicated to sharing the timeless lessons about racism and the role of research in affecting social change based on W.E.B. Du Bois’ 1899 book, The Philadelphia Negro. Her teaching has focused on similar topics as her research. She led the required two-course sequence on American racism within SP2’s social work program and has taught courses in city planning, urban studies, public health, and social policy focused on equity and social justice. She is the founding director of the cross-school graduate LGBTQ certificate and, with Dr. Beverley Crawford, co-created of the online course, The Penn Experience: Racism, Reconciliation and Engagement.

  =====

  Welcome to our podcast. We’re so glad you’re here refocusing on Whiteness without supremacy or shame. Listen. Like. Follow.

  Instagram: @the.spillway | Facebook: @WithoutSupremacyorShame

  For a transcript of this episode and more, please visit our website, www.thespillway.org

  Mentioned in this episode:

  The Spillway Community Guidelines

  1. Engage sequentially. The show is a serial not episodic. We do this so we can build relation and find common ground and context. 2. We stay in our own lane. The Spillway is about White people talking to (predominately) White people about White people and White culture. We're not out here to critique anyone's actions but our own. 3. Our combined fabric of destiny. (3a) As Dr. King said, our humanities are deeply interconnected to each other. Racism negatively impacts me, too. (3b) The Spillway is one mechanism within a larger framework needed to sustain racial equity and justice. We're not a one-stop shop. 4. No one right way to liberation. We all share the same goals, but not every method works for every person. If this doesn't work for you. That's okay. Maybe it works for someone else.

  ]]>What does it mean to teach and talk about race and racism in our education systems? What does it mean to be White in academia?

  Here we sit down with Dr. Amy Hillier, MSW, Associate Professor at The School of Social Policy and Practice at the University of Pennsylvania with the following outline:

  What is CRT look like in your classrooms?

  What are we getting right and wrong about CRT today?

  What are White students saying in classrooms about race and racism?

  How do we translate ideas into praxis? Do you see a role in emotionally and physically locating and embodying ideas?

  Do you think de-centering Whiteness supports or undermines Derrick Bell’s concept of interest convergence?

  Dr. Hillier's research has focused on historical housing and public health disparities including mortgage redlining, affordable housing, healthy foods, park use and access, and outdoor advertising. Her most recent research focuses on transgender youth and their families. With Dr. Stephanie Boddie, she co-directs The Ward, a research, teaching, and public history project dedicated to sharing the timeless lessons about racism and the role of research in affecting social change based on W.E.B. Du Bois’ 1899 book, The Philadelphia Negro. Her teaching has focused on similar topics as her research. She led the required two-course sequence on American racism within SP2’s social work program and has taught courses in city planning, urban studies, public health, and social policy focused on equity and social justice. She is the founding director of the cross-school graduate LGBTQ certificate and, with Dr. Beverley Crawford, co-created of the online course, The Penn Experience: Racism, Reconciliation and Engagement.

  =====

  Welcome to our podcast. We’re so glad you’re here refocusing on Whiteness without supremacy or shame. Listen. Like. Follow.

  Instagram: @the.spillway | Facebook: @WithoutSupremacyorShame

  For a transcript of this episode and more, please visit our website, www.thespillway.org

  Mentioned in this episode:

  The Spillway Community Guidelines

  1. Engage sequentially. The show is a serial not episodic. We do this so we can build relation and find common ground and context. 2. We stay in our own lane. The Spillway is about White people talking to (predominately) White people about White people and White culture. We're not out here to critique anyone's actions but our own. 3. Our combined fabric of destiny. (3a) As Dr. King said, our humanities are deeply interconnected to each other. Racism negatively impacts me, too. (3b) The Spillway is one mechanism within a larger framework needed to sustain racial equity and justice. We're not a one-stop shop. 4. No one right way to liberation. We all share the same goals, but not every method works for every person. If this doesn't work for you. That's okay. Maybe it works for someone else.

  ]]>16f5aed5-3360-4eb3-a6ee-7c8d7a33b961Sat, 04 Jun 2022 00:45:00 -040001:07:59truefull14141What does it mean to teach and talk about race and racism in our education systems? What does it mean to be White in academia? Here we sit down with Dr. Amy Hillier, MSW, Associate Professor at The School of Social Policy and Practice at the University of Pennsylvania.The SpillwayWhite Men & Fred JealousWhat does it mean to be a White man in the US today without supremacy or shame?

  Loran and Jenny sit down with Fred Jealous, founder of Breakthrough Men's Community, to talk about the intersection of gender and race as it applies to White men.

  Questions include:

  • What are we missing when we raise boys in the US?
  • What’s so harmful about men being masculine and women being feminine? How does patriarchy hurt men?
  • Who’s a better educator: shame or love?
  • Men have held power and decision-making capabilities in this country since its founding. Why did they need an additional space like Breakthrough, when the world is their proverbial oyster?
  • What does it mean to be fully human?
  • How do you feel the societal definition of what a “man” is affects white men and how they approach race and racism?
  • In the key practices of the BMC there is mention of a “boy” who needs healing and nurturing, how much of that is related to race for White men?
  • In your work of helping men heal, how central to that work was your own experience of Whiteness and masculinity, and how do you believe that impacted your work with men of Color?
  
  

  =====

  Welcome to our podcast. We’re so glad you’re here refocusing on Whiteness without supremacy or shame. Listen. Like. Follow.

  Instagram: @the.spillway | Facebook: @WithoutSupremacyorShame

  For a transcript of this episode and more, please visit our website, www.thespillway.org

  Mentioned in this episode:

  The Spillway Community Guidelines

  1. Engage sequentially. The show is a serial not episodic. We do this so we can build relation and find common ground and context. 2. We stay in our own lane. The Spillway is about White people talking to (predominately) White people about White people and White culture. We're not out here to critique anyone's actions but our own. 3. Our combined fabric of destiny. (3a) As Dr. King said, our humanities are deeply interconnected to each other. Racism negatively impacts me, too. (3b) The Spillway is one mechanism within a larger framework needed to sustain racial equity and justice. We're not a one-stop shop. 4. No one right way to liberation. We all share the same goals, but not every method works for every person. If this doesn't work for you. That's okay. Maybe it works for someone else.

  ]]>What does it mean to be a White man in the US today without supremacy or shame?

  Loran and Jenny sit down with Fred Jealous, founder of Breakthrough Men's Community, to talk about the intersection of gender and race as it applies to White men.

  Questions include:

  • What are we missing when we raise boys in the US?
  • What’s so harmful about men being masculine and women being feminine? How does patriarchy hurt men?
  • Who’s a better educator: shame or love?
  • Men have held power and decision-making capabilities in this country since its founding. Why did they need an additional space like Breakthrough, when the world is their proverbial oyster?
  • What does it mean to be fully human?
  • How do you feel the societal definition of what a “man” is affects white men and how they approach race and racism?
  • In the key practices of the BMC there is mention of a “boy” who needs healing and nurturing, how much of that is related to race for White men?
  • In your work of helping men heal, how central to that work was your own experience of Whiteness and masculinity, and how do you believe that impacted your work with men of Color?
  
  

  =====

  Welcome to our podcast. We’re so glad you’re here refocusing on Whiteness without supremacy or shame. Listen. Like. Follow.

  Instagram: @the.spillway | Facebook: @WithoutSupremacyorShame

  For a transcript of this episode and more, please visit our website, www.thespillway.org

  Mentioned in this episode:

  The Spillway Community Guidelines

  1. Engage sequentially. The show is a serial not episodic. We do this so we can build relation and find common ground and context. 2. We stay in our own lane. The Spillway is about White people talking to (predominately) White people about White people and White culture. We're not out here to critique anyone's actions but our own. 3. Our combined fabric of destiny. (3a) As Dr. King said, our humanities are deeply interconnected to each other. Racism negatively impacts me, too. (3b) The Spillway is one mechanism within a larger framework needed to sustain racial equity and justice. We're not a one-stop shop. 4. No one right way to liberation. We all share the same goals, but not every method works for every person. If this doesn't work for you. That's okay. Maybe it works for someone else.

  ]]>ac488230-1ebe-4c6b-abf8-e192c26012beSat, 04 Jun 2022 00:30:00 -040053:43truefull13131What does it mean to be a White man in the US today without supremacy or shame? Loran and Jenny sit down with Breakthrough Men's Community founder, Fred Jealous to talk about the intersection of gender and race as it applies to White men.The SpillwayThe Spillway: How We StartWhat does it mean to be a White person in the US today?

  If you mention or see race, you're racist.

  If you don't mention or see race, you're racist.

  A few months ago, I (Loran) started an organization, The Spillway, around supporting White people to work through Perpetrator Induced Traumatic Stress (PITS) and interGenerational trauma. I offer the services within The Spillway with the acknowledgment that healing work is merely one mechanism within a larger network required to sustain our collective movement towards racial justice. I seek to grow the services available rather than redistribute where we put our efforts and funding. To get this message out there, I’ve asked one of the most compassionate, ferociously tender, hilarious, and incredibly smart humans I know, Jenny, to join me on this podcasting journey.

  Jenny and I come from similar yet separate backgrounds. Importantly, we offer incredibly different perspectives, sometimes just by who we are as people and other times by the different identities we hold.

  We are committed to building compassion, understanding, empathy, and patience into the present and future of Whiteness and White Culture. We cannot change the past. But, we can change the future through the actions we take today.

  We seek to embody the work of James Baldwin, Sonya Renee Taylor, Kazu Haga, Resmaa Menekem, and Kai Cheng Thom and countless others asking for White people to (in so many words) get our shit together. Since starting The Spillway, there’s been consistent feedback—sometimes within the same space—that White people are engaging this work with closed hearts and minds

  This work can be difficult and beautiful. It is an exercise in vulnerability, in unlearning perfectionism, with real-world consequences, in an age of 7-second judgments. We hope The Spillway and our living in it can give others the courage that is needed to join us in this work.

  We know that attempting to be vulnerable and consenting to learn in public is incredibly terrifying work. And yet we have to start somewhere. Conversations of race and racism aren’t going away anytime soon. Given our incredibly different places in the world, we’re trying to create a middle ground where White people can get together to talk and create action around the paradox of being White in the US, where we are simultaneously the perpetrators and victims of the race and racism.

  We seek to embody the work of countless activists of color who have been calling White folks to seek our own healing around race and racism. So here we are, two White people committing to the work of individual and collective healing around race and racism for white people. Healing ourselves is no one's responsibility but our own.

  Let’s Heal together and Grow to stop the impacts of race and racism in the lives of People of Color, and our lives as well.

  =====

  Welcome to our podcast. We’re so glad you’re here refocusing on Whiteness without supremacy or shame. Listen. Like. Follow.

  Instagram: @the.spillway | Facebook: @WithoutSupremacyorShame

  For a transcript of this episode and more, please visit our website, www.thespillway.org

  Mentioned in this episode:

  The Spillway Community Guidelines

  1. Engage sequentially. The show is a serial not episodic. We do this so we can build relation and find common ground and context. 2. We stay in our own lane. The Spillway is about White people talking to (predominately) White people about White people and White culture. We're not out here to critique anyone's actions but our own. 3. Our combined fabric of destiny. (3a) As Dr. King said, our humanities are deeply interconnected to each other. Racism negatively impacts me, too. (3b) The Spillway is one mechanism within a larger framework needed to sustain racial equity and...]]>What does it mean to be a White person in the US today?

  If you mention or see race, you're racist.

  If you don't mention or see race, you're racist.

  A few months ago, I (Loran) started an organization, The Spillway, around supporting White people to work through Perpetrator Induced Traumatic Stress (PITS) and interGenerational trauma. I offer the services within The Spillway with the acknowledgment that healing work is merely one mechanism within a larger network required to sustain our collective movement towards racial justice. I seek to grow the services available rather than redistribute where we put our efforts and funding. To get this message out there, I’ve asked one of the most compassionate, ferociously tender, hilarious, and incredibly smart humans I know, Jenny, to join me on this podcasting journey.

  Jenny and I come from similar yet separate backgrounds. Importantly, we offer incredibly different perspectives, sometimes just by who we are as people and other times by the different identities we hold.

  We are committed to building compassion, understanding, empathy, and patience into the present and future of Whiteness and White Culture. We cannot change the past. But, we can change the future through the actions we take today.

  We seek to embody the work of James Baldwin, Sonya Renee Taylor, Kazu Haga, Resmaa Menekem, and Kai Cheng Thom and countless others asking for White people to (in so many words) get our shit together. Since starting The Spillway, there’s been consistent feedback—sometimes within the same space—that White people are engaging this work with closed hearts and minds

  This work can be difficult and beautiful. It is an exercise in vulnerability, in unlearning perfectionism, with real-world consequences, in an age of 7-second judgments. We hope The Spillway and our living in it can give others the courage that is needed to join us in this work.

  We know that attempting to be vulnerable and consenting to learn in public is incredibly terrifying work. And yet we have to start somewhere. Conversations of race and racism aren’t going away anytime soon. Given our incredibly different places in the world, we’re trying to create a middle ground where White people can get together to talk and create action around the paradox of being White in the US, where we are simultaneously the perpetrators and victims of the race and racism.

  We seek to embody the work of countless activists of color who have been calling White folks to seek our own healing around race and racism. So here we are, two White people committing to the work of individual and collective healing around race and racism for white people. Healing ourselves is no one's responsibility but our own.

  Let’s Heal together and Grow to stop the impacts of race and racism in the lives of People of Color, and our lives as well.

  =====

  Welcome to our podcast. We’re so glad you’re here refocusing on Whiteness without supremacy or shame. Listen. Like. Follow.

  Instagram: @the.spillway | Facebook: @WithoutSupremacyorShame

  For a transcript of this episode and more, please visit our website, www.thespillway.org

  Mentioned in this episode:

  The Spillway Community Guidelines

  1. Engage sequentially. The show is a serial not episodic. We do this so we can build relation and find common ground and context. 2. We stay in our own lane. The Spillway is about White people talking to (predominately) White people about White people and White culture. We're not out here to critique anyone's actions but our own. 3. Our combined fabric of destiny. (3a) As Dr. King said, our humanities are deeply interconnected to each other. Racism negatively impacts me, too. (3b) The Spillway is one mechanism within a larger framework needed to sustain racial equity and justice. We're not a one-stop shop. 4. No one right way to liberation. We all share the same goals, but not every method works for every person. If this doesn't work for you. That's okay. Maybe it works for someone else.

  ]]>11badaf0-7610-4879-b2e0-a1b1d6f20ef2Sat, 04 Jun 2022 00:15:00 -040047:30truefull12121The origins of The Spillway, where we meet our host Loran and co-host Jenny. Two White people just trying to figure out how to be White in the US without shame or supremacy.The SpillwayPrologueWelcome to The Spillway.

  If this is your first time here, we ask that you please start with this episode. We don't want to throw you into the deep end.

  Join Loran as we go over the foundation of The Spillway and the best tips and tricks as to how to approach this series. Ultimately, this is a work that is more like a book than a conventional podcast and is constructed as a serial.

  ==========

  In the episode Loran references research about White people's responses to race and racism which may be found here.

  Martin Luther King's 1965 "The American Dream" Speech is here.

  Sonya Renee Taylor's full speech is here.

  James Baldwin's full speech and text of The Fire Next Time is here. (audiobook read by Jesse L. Martin)

  Toni Morrison's interview with Charlie Rose is here.

  RuPaul's iconic catchphrase is used in every episode of RuPaul's Drag Race. A selected montage on YouTube is here.

  Rev. angel Kyodo williams and Jasmine Syedullah, PhD's full text from Radical Dharma: Talking Race. Love. and Liberation is here.

  Resmaa Menakem's book My Grandmother's Hands is here. (audiobook read by Cary Hite)

  ==========

  Welcome to our podcast. We’re so glad you’re here refocusing on Whiteness without supremacy or shame. Listen. Like. Follow.

  Instagram: @the.spillway | Facebook: @WithoutSupremacyorShame

  For a transcript of this episode and more, please visit our website, www.thespillway.org

  ]]>Welcome to The Spillway.

  If this is your first time here, we ask that you please start with this episode. We don't want to throw you into the deep end.

  Join Loran as we go over the foundation of The Spillway and the best tips and tricks as to how to approach this series. Ultimately, this is a work that is more like a book than a conventional podcast and is constructed as a serial.

  ==========

  In the episode Loran references research about White people's responses to race and racism which may be found here.

  Martin Luther King's 1965 "The American Dream" Speech is here.

  Sonya Renee Taylor's full speech is here.

  James Baldwin's full speech and text of The Fire Next Time is here. (audiobook read by Jesse L. Martin)

  Toni Morrison's interview with Charlie Rose is here.

  RuPaul's iconic catchphrase is used in every episode of RuPaul's Drag Race. A selected montage on YouTube is here.

  Rev. angel Kyodo williams and Jasmine Syedullah, PhD's full text from Radical Dharma: Talking Race. Love. and Liberation is here.

  Resmaa Menakem's book My Grandmother's Hands is here. (audiobook read by Cary Hite)

  ==========

  Welcome to our podcast. We’re so glad you’re here refocusing on Whiteness without supremacy or shame. Listen. Like. Follow.

  Instagram: @the.spillway | Facebook: @WithoutSupremacyorShame

  For a transcript of this episode and more, please visit our website, www.thespillway.org

  ]]>b5a61384-824c-42ee-b445-58bd15078aefSat, 04 Jun 2022 00:00:00 -040026:27truefull11111The Spillway