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Why Equal Opportunity is No Longer Enough - An International Women's Day Discussion - Women's Performance

Sara Gross, PhD — Wed, 08 Mar 2023 03:00:00 -0500

What does equity mean in sport? Yes, it's women being included, but it's also resources for racing moms, supporting the inclusion of Black folks in historically white sports, having size-inclusive athletic gear, and SO much more. Feisty Media welcomes a panel of women with intersectional identities to celebrate International Women's Day and discuss why equal opportunity is no longer enough. Hosted by Selene Yeager and Sara Gross, guests Khadijah Diggs, Marley Blonsky, and Alison Tetrick share the inequity they've faced in their athletic spaces, and what equity would truly look like for them individually.

Follow Marley on Instagram @marleyblonsky

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Stay Tuned (Episode 115)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 17 Jan 2023 03:00:00 -0400

This week, we announce a change in direction. Moving away from this iteration of the [Un]Phased podcast, Shaunna and Lisa discuss new directions and new ways to discuss DEI.

Looking back over the past 115 episodes, the duo explains the challenges they faced in focusing solely on DEI in relation to endurance sport, and how they will move away from this - to a more broad lens. We hope you've learned and grown with us along the way! Follow along and subscribe to our newsletter to keep up to date on our new directions. Stay tuned!

http://www.tritodefi.com/newsletter

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REBROADCAST Perfectionism

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 10 Jan 2023 03:00:00 -0400

Perfectionism can be exhausting, especially in endurance sport. Athletes expect to have the *perfect* race. With the upcoming Ironman World Championship race in Kona, it's essential to understand what perfection is and what it is not. And, how does "perfection" exclude certain groups of people?

This week, Shaunna and Lisa dive into the definition of perfection and what groups are included and excluded. Perfection in terms of athletic performance is tied to something very specific, which, as the hosts discuss, has distinct roots in whiteness and maleness. How do we oppose ideas of perfection that come from a fast time, and instead embrace the perfection that comes from having a race that feels good?

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REBROADCAST Energy Vampires

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 03 Jan 2023 03:00:00 -0400

We all have to be intentional about how we spend our energy, whether this be in sport, our careers, or in social justice work. It is important to set boundaries, especially when interacting with “Energy Vampires,” and to direct our focus towards those folks that do have the energy and excitement to engage in DEI work alongside us.

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REBROADCAST DEI, Antiracism, or both?

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 27 Dec 2022 03:00:00 -0400

Any parent knows that no two children are exactly the same. They each have their own style of communication, problem solving, and conflict resolving (or creating). Just like siblings, not all DEI training programs are created equally. Each program depends on the training professional’s area of expertise. If you are seeking out DEI training for your organization, it is important to recognize this.

One of the questions arising in the sea of training options is whether DEI training is the same as a training on anti-racism. This week on the podcast, Shaunna and Lisa discuss the difference between DEI and anti-racism training and how DEI professionals can help structure programming and education to better incorporate principles of anti-racism. They compare training topics to peace-keeping and peace-making and discuss how to build a training that is right for your organization.

Mentioned in the podcast:

The history and changing narrative of Kumbaya

From the Hell Yeah/Hell Naw segment:

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Goal Setting with Zsa-Zsa Porter (Episode 114)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 20 Dec 2022 03:00:00 -0400

We have a special guest! This week, we are delighted to welcome the incomparable multi-hyphenate, Zsa-Zsa Porter. Zsa-Zsa is a fellow entrepreneur, multiple-time 140.6 finisher, and author. She is the founder and owner of Exposed Vegan, where she dedicates her time to eliminating food deserts and bringing food accessibility to all.

As a highly motivated triathlete, Zsa-Zsa shares how triathlon and physical activity have benefited her life. Shaunna and Zsa-Zsa discuss what it takes to set a goal that aligns with your values at the time, and how to stick to it. Further, Zsa-Zsa shares her personal experience of moving through grief and how her goals and values changed because of a great recent loss.

Visit Zsa-Zsa's website at https://www.exposedvegan.com/

And follow her on Instagram @zsazsaporter

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Considerations for 2023 (Episode 113)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 13 Dec 2022 03:00:00 -0400

2023 is fast approaching, and with that said, we can look back upon our year and gather some key takeaways for how we can do better. This week, Shaunna and Lisa discuss some considerations we can all have in 2023.

Beginning with a discussion about how we spend our money, the duo talks about the ways we can shop and invest in companies that are woman-owned, minority-owned, veteran-owned, LGBTQ-owned, and so forth. Moving on to discuss other considerations from land acknowledgments to being kinder to nature, Shaunna and Lisa offer ways for us all to be better citizens in the new year.

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Donating Thoughtfully (Episode 112)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 06 Dec 2022 03:00:00 -0400

Many folks make their charitable donations around the end of the year. And often, the process to do so is quite haphazard. Instead of taking meaningful and thoughtful time to choose a non-profit organization that supports one's values, recipients of such vital dollars are often decided upon based on popularity, advertising, or size.

This week, Shaunna and Lisa discuss how to thoughtfully decide on a non-profit to which to donate your money, as well as how non-profit organizations -- such as endurance sport-affiliated groups -- can encourage folks to donate to them.

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The Problem with Persuasion (Episode 111)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 29 Nov 2022 03:00:00 -0400

If you have ever been part of the DEI space as a practitioner, there is A LOT of persuading that happens. Trying to persuade clubs, organizations, companies and institutions to believe that DEI work is necessary takes time. Making the case is tiring and often, time is better spent doing - rather than convincing someone that doing is the right choice.

Centering their conversation around this notion that persuasion may be a waste of time, Shaunna and Lisa equate DEI to integral organization fundamentals. Like innovation, integrity, and resilience, DEI needs to be understood as a fundamental aspect of any organization. From there, DEI practitioners can spend their time creating change - rather than persuading people that such changes are appropriate and necessary.

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The 2022 Outspoken Summit Recap (Episode 110)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 22 Nov 2022 03:00:00 -0400

With the 2022 Outspoken Summit having come and gone, the team here at Feisty Media cannot stop talking about it. The coming together of so many powerful change-making women in the endurance sport industry is truly a gift. That's why this week, Shaunna and Lisa discuss the summit and all of its highlights.

From the live podcast recording of the Business of Fitness to Zsa-Zsa Porter's tools for leveling up, Shaunna and Lisa got A LOT out of the weekend. To listen to the Business of Fitness live recording on Imposter Syndrome, click here!

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ESG & DEI (Episode 109)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 15 Nov 2022 03:00:00 -0400

How do we hold companies and institutions accountable? Through what lens do we hold them accountable? This week, Shaunna and Lisa discuss Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR) in relation to Environmental Social Governance (ESG), and how these internal/external regulation systems would benefit from a DEI lens.

Explaining both systems, Shaunna and Lisa delve into a discussion surrounding upward accountability, white saviorism, and much more.

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Disruptors (Episode 108)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 08 Nov 2022 03:00:00 -0400

Recently, NFL Hall of Famer Deion Sanders has been a complete disrupter in terms of all things HBCU sports. Understanding that most athletes are heavily recruited from predominantly white institutions, Deion has been active in disrupting this pattern of exclusion.

Using “Coach Prime” as a jumping-off point, Shaunna and Lisa discuss what it means to use the tool of disruption to create change for DEI.

Through this conversation, the duo outlines how to be better disruptors and what it takes. While Deion is a huge name, big personality, and has lots of money, Shaunna and Lisa discuss how disruption is not contingent upon these things.

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Mental Health and Wellbeing (Episode 107)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 01 Nov 2022 03:00:00 -0400

This past week, the Surgeon General released the "Surgeon General’s Framework for Workplace Mental Health and Well-Being". In this 30-page framework, there is quite a significant understanding of diversity, equity, and inclusion in the workplace - and, the way this information is communicated throughout is seemingly palatable to the general public. With this obvious hell ya, Shaunna and Lisa discuss the document, what it means for the workforce, and of course, endurance sport as a whole.

To view the Surgeon General’s Framework for Workplace Mental Health and Well-Being, click here: https://www.hhs.gov/surgeongeneral/priorities/workplace-well-being/index.html

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Over-Whitening Underfueling (Episode 106)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 25 Oct 2022 03:00:00 -0400

Assumptions surrounding eating disorders, disordered eating, and underfueling are extreme. In the context of sport, we often believe that underfueling is related to the desire to lose weight. However, this week, Shaunna and Lisa crack open these assumptions and delve into the societal pressures that encircle disordered eating and how these differ on a spectrum of race, socio-economic status, and more.

Shaunna and Lisa discuss the ways in which the white male gaze influences the "desired" body type, and how this differs between communities. Further, the duo makes clear how the prototype of a woman with an eating disorder is quite stereotypically a white woman.

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Follow along @feistymedia over the next two weeks for more information and content related to Fueled is Fast

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Toxic Masculinity in Sport (Episode 105)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 18 Oct 2022 03:00:00 -0400

Why is it such a personal offense to lose to a woman? This week, Shaunna and Lisa discuss gender and sport and the masculine urge to outperform women. Drawing from a recent news article in which a man killed his female competitor for beating him in basketball, the team unpacks what undergirds this kind of reaction.

Discussing words and phrases like "chick" and "being chicked,” Lisa and Shaunna talk about the cultural narratives that infantilize, or in the case of “chick,” dehumanize women. Understanding masculinity, toxic or otherwise, in the context of sport shows us how men’s reaction to losing to women is more than individual pride.

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Triathlonish with Kelly O'Mara (Episode 104)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 11 Oct 2022 03:00:00 -0400

We are coming to you this week with some very exciting news!! Kelly O'Mara, a mutual friend of Shaunna and Lisa, professional Triathlete, and editor and chief of Triathlon Magazine, has started her own weekly newsletter called "Triathlonish". This week, the duo talks to Kelly about her new endeavor, and what it looks like to take a non-gendered approach to reporting on triathlon.

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Perfectionism (Episode 103)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 04 Oct 2022 03:00:00 -0400

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The Inclusion Critic (Episode 102)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 27 Sep 2022 03:00:00 -0400

Doesn’t inclusion mean including everyone regardless of their perspective? So, what do we do when people who express exclusive positions argue we are no longer walking the talk because we exclude them?

These challenges to inclusion initiatives continue to present struggles for DEI work. Folks with perspectives such as, "you get to have an all-black student club, we get an all-white student club", or "based on my religion, I don't agree with gay marriage, so I won't make a cake for a queer couple” argue that inclusion should mean honoring and respecting their opinion.

How do inclusion advocates navigate their message of inclusion while simultaneously excluding people who have an exclusive perspective? Engaging in these discussions can be tricky to handle, and this week, Shaunna and Lisa put some tools in your toolbox to navigate the waters of the inclusion critic. Shaunna and Lisa put some tools in your toolbox to navigate the diluted waters of the inclusion critic.

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The Queen (Episode 101)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 20 Sep 2022 03:00:00 -0400

As you all will likely have heard by now, Queen Elizabeth II has died. While the whole world is talking about this, we thought we would too. Right now, many folks have questions surrounding how we should react to this news. Based on the media coverage, it seems as though everyone has a different answer to this question.

This week, Shaunna and Lisa dive into WHY everyone has a different emotional response to the death of the Queen. How can we work to understand the ways in which the monarchy has caused tremendous trauma and devastation while also honoring the loss felt for many?

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Offended: Choice or Condition? (Episode 100)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 13 Sep 2022 03:00:00 -0400

We made it 100 episodes!! For the 100th episode, Shaunna and Lisa dive deep into the feeling of being offended. They analyze both the reasons people may feel this emotion, as well as the linguistic roots of this word. Further, how is this word used in social justice circles?

Many of us within the realm of social justice and advocacy will recall being called "easily offendable" or "too sensitive". Through an in-depth and reciprocal discussion, Shauna and Lisa conclude that the term "offended" has been adopted as a form of gaslighting used by the powers that be (i.e. white people, men, able-bodied people) to dismiss the anger of others.

For more information, read:

https://digital.sandiego.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1067&context=honors_theses

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/10/why-are-black-people-so-forgiving/64129/

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A Year of Entrepreneurship (Episode 99)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 06 Sep 2022 03:00:00 -0400

This week, we celebrate Shaunna's one-year anniversary of starting out on her own as a DEI Consultant. Quitting her job, and taking on Entrepreneurship as her full-time gig, Shaunna tells us about the challenges she's faced along the way - and the rewards.

The duo discusses the barriers to being a successful entrepreneur, highlighting race and gender. They unravel what it means to create sustainable boundaries within all spheres of your life, and the new trending term "quiet quitting".

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Fiction Narratives (Episode 98)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 30 Aug 2022 03:00:00 -0400

There are all kinds of narratives that are placed upon us based on our looks, size, attire, socioeconomic status, age, race, sexuality, and on and on. Based on these factors, people have expectations of how we should be. For example, if you're a woman - you should eat less than a man, if you wear glasses you should be smart, if you're small - you're fit, etc.

This week, Shaunna and Lisa discuss the ways in which these fiction narratives define us and ultimately affect our understanding of ourselves and others. The duo discusses how this influences the endurance sport field and the impact of being a larger athlete existing in the fictional narrative that athletes have to be thin to be successful.

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Dismantling Idioms Part Two (Episode 97)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 23 Aug 2022 03:00:00 -0400

There are A LOT of phrases that come from rotten roots - so we made a whole other episode to get through more. This week, Shaunna and Lisa dive deeper into the problematic phrases used in everyday North American vernacular and uncover the often hidden meaning behind them.

Taking into consideration the challenges that come from having to create alternatives to these phrases, in this episode, Shaunna and Lisa do that work for you. From "tipping point" to "the point of transformation", and from "using that as a crutch" to "using that as an excuse" - the duo promotes better allyship one phrase at a time.

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Dismantling Idioms (Episode 96)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 16 Aug 2022 03:00:00 -0400

Our daily language is filled with all sorts of idioms and phrases. Like most things, these idioms have historical origins that can often be rooted in racism. This week, Shaunna and Lisa run through multiple examples of racially rooted phrases and give us alternatives to use in our everyday conversations.

Using examples like "master bedroom", "low hanging fruit", "cake walk", and many more, the duo discusses the impact of these phrases regardless of intention.

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Getting the Right Fit with Kim Dallara (Episode 95)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 09 Aug 2022 03:00:00 -0400

If you are a cyclist, you know just how long you have to be on that saddle. And those things usually aren't the most comfortable! As women, they can be especially uncomfortable, because of the lack of resources available surrounding saddle comfort and vulvar health. Unfortunately, many women have accepted the painful woes of ill-fitting bikes rather than examining the systems that normalize our discomfort - both on and off the saddle. This week, Shaunna and Lisa welcome Kim Dallara onto the show. Kim is the only female clinical bike fitter located in Kentucky and focuses her efforts on helping women get the right bike fit and have a pain-free ride.

The trio discusses why it's important to have female bike fitters, and the hurdles Kim had to overcome to do so. Further, Kim highlights the importance of community, and especially, female communities in sport.

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Impossible Standards (Episode 94)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 02 Aug 2022 03:00:00 -0400

The standards placed upon women in North America and beyond are impossible. We are told to care for the family, but stay in shape; "get up and work", but be engaged mothers. We are genuinely, damned if you do - damned if you don't.

This week, Shaunna and Lisa discuss these impossible standards and the ways the greater systems and institutions within our society are working to maintain these standards. Using examples like body image, motherhood, and sport, the duo unravels the true oxymorons of our society and highlight the women that are trying to create real change.

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IX: Turning up the Volume with Joan Cronan

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 26 Jul 2022 03:00:00 -0400

Not to pick favorites, but here at Feisty - this is definitely a favorite. With almost 50 years of experience as an athletic director and inductions into seven different halls of fame, Joan Cronan has A LOT to say about Title IX and gender equity in sport. Graduating college in 1966, Joan was part of intercollegiate sports before women had the federal right to equally compete. This week, our co-host of Girls Gone Gravel, Kathryn Taylor, interviews Joan and asks her about what she calls "her journey."

Joan shares the story of her life so far, beginning at the age of twelve when she decided she was going to create change for women in athletics. To do so, in 1972 Joan made a cold call to the president of the College of Charleston and left his office as the women's basketball coach, volleyball coach, tennis coach and overall athletic director. From there, she made innumerable changes to women's athletics that will forever go down in history. If that isn't feisty, what is?

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IX: Changing the Game with Wendy Mink

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 19 Jul 2022 03:00:00 -0400

We are overwhelmed with excitement to share the first episode of our limited Title IX series. This week, Haley Chura - co-host of Ironwomen - interviews the renowned Wendy Mink. Wendy is a professor of politics, women's and gender studies, as well as the daughter of the very first woman of color in congress - Patsy Mink. Patsy was the co-author of the Title IX legislation and paved the way for women's participation in sports.

Wendy shares her mother's journey and the reasons that prompted her to fight for change. Haley and Wendy discuss what Title IX was created for, and they give us the groundwork for the rest of the series.

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180 Degrees (Episode 93)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 12 Jul 2022 03:00:00 -0400

We each hold a variety of privileged identities such as sexuality, race, socioeconomic status, and education, to name a few, but how do we recognize they are privileged in the first place? This week, Shaunna and Lisa reflect on an episode of Red Table Talk about the process a former white supremacist went through as he made the decision to turn away from hate. An ongoing question for many of us who work to educate others is: what factors can help people recognize their privilege? Using their own personal experience with privilege awareness, Lisa and Shaunna explore whether there is a moment in time where the proverbial lightbulb switches on or whether the awareness is more incremental, happening over time. They focus on privileges beyond race and gender in this discussion, since identity privileges receiving less exposure may be harder for each of us to identify as we journey towards a more inclusive personal and professional practice.

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Replay: The Sport Justice Movement with Dr. Shaun Anderson (Episode 93)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 05 Jul 2022 03:00:00 -0400

This week, we are sharing a replay from almost a year ago. Our one and only male guest that has been on Un[Phased] has his new book coming out imminently, so we wanted to remind our listeners of Dr. Shaun Anderson and his message.

Dr. Anderson is an associate professor of organizational communications and author of the forthcoming book, The Black Athlete Revolt: The Sport Justice Movement in the Age of #BlackLivesMatter. He reminds us that sport and politics have always been mixed; athletes have long used their public platforms to call out social injustice. The difference now however is that, through social media and other outlets, athletes can control the way that they are engaging in the narratives around social injustice. The next step for all of us in the sporting community, is to begin to use these platforms to push towards engaging in true policy reform. It is not an easy fight; we are pushing against a systematic regime that has been in power for ages, but by educating ourselves, building a platform and speaking out, we can begin to make positive changes in sport and society.

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Recession Proofing (Episode 92)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 28 Jun 2022 03:00:00 -0400

The Outspoken Summit has launched!! New, improved, AND in-person! But that's not all - to precede the Outspoken Summit, we are launching the inaugural Inclusive Sports Leadership Academy (ISLA). This is an intensive and immersive experience aimed at helping a small cohort of people really dive into diversity, equity, representation and inclusion. Over 2 and a half days, we will prepare folks with the tools to activate social change in their endurance sport organizations. ISLA is the first professional development opportunity of its kind in endurance sport and fills a gap in endurance sports leadership education. It will bring together endurance sport athletes, coaches, and industry professionals to explore diversity, equity, representation, and inclusion in endurance sport.

This week, Shaunna and Lisa discuss the benefits of this type of specific training for professionals working within the endurance sport field. As we prepare for the inevitable recession coming our way, now is the time to make certain that your company's DEI team is up to date.

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The Tampon Thread (Episode 91)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 21 Jun 2022 03:00:00 -0400

If you have a menstrual cycle, do you find that male family members often tell you to "stock up" on menstrual products? No? Us either. That's why this week, we need to take a deep dive into why Shaunna's Dad told her to go to the drug store and fill that cart.

Right now in the US, there is a shortage of menstrual products available for purchase. Using this as a jumping-off point, Shaunna and Lisa discuss systems and how the interworking of these systems cause problems like this - to disproportionally affect historically and currently excluded people. Moving even further from the tampon example, the duo makes reference to systems like redlining, Jim Crow, and even a lack of lap pools. These systems work to create and contribute to systemic discrimination that is historically and contextually rooted.

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Trust (Episode 90)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 14 Jun 2022 03:00:00 -0400

How can we trust our brands, if the brand doesn't communicate with us? Why do we put different expectations on some brands more than others? This week, Lisa and Shaunna unpack trust. Using the beauty company "Honey Pot" as an example, the duo discusses the expectation of transparency placed on black-owned businesses, vs. white businesses.

It is undeniable that most beauty brands are not transparent about their ingredients, so why is it that there is such uproar when a small, black-owned business follows this exemplar? Trust itself is an active process, and Shaunna and Lisa share what this process could look like from a DEI perspective.

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Trailer: IX Voices for Title IX Powered by InsideTracker - Women's Performance

Sara Gross, PhD — Thu, 09 Jun 2022 02:45:00 -0500

Feisty Media Presents: IX Voices for Title IX Powered by InsideTracker. Listen to this trailer, where Sara and Selene tell us what to expect for this exclusive series. To be released on June 16th, just days before the 50th anniversary of Title IX, the series will investigate the ways in which Title IX did and did not represent a cultural shift for women in sport.

The nine-episode series will feature in-depth interviews with women who lived through the cultural shift that Title IX represented, including icons like Joan Benoit, the first winner of the women’s Olympic marathon; Marianne Martin, the first woman to win the Tour De France Feminine; Bobbi Gibb, the first woman to finish the Boston Marathon; as well as athletic directors and athletes who continue to press for change today.

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A Nudge Into Discomfort (Episode 89)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 07 Jun 2022 03:00:00 -0400

Okay, Y'all. You have heard us talk about allyship before, but what does it really mean to become an ally? What does that process look like? This week, using Melinda Briana Epler's stages of allyship, Shaunna and Lisa discuss the journey to becoming an ideal ally - and the tangible actions you can take to do so.

Nowadays, it seems like you are either a "raggedy-ass ally" as Shaunna puts it, OR you are out there marching on Washington every single weekend. Things seem a little too black and white for our liking. From denier to activist, Epler's circular figure allows for an understanding of allyship on a continuum. For our first episode of Pride Month, Shaunna and Lisa uncover the stages of allyship, and how kindness can hinder growth.

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Breaking the Hamster Wheel (Episode 88)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 31 May 2022 03:00:00 -0400

Is it just us, or have things become WAY too busy lately? Working yourself to your limit is a good thing, right? You wouldn't want to be lazy...This week, Shaunna and Lisa discuss the proverbial hamster wheel that is "America". It is undeniable that being busy is over-valued in North America, and many of us have become addicted to the feeling of being overworked. As Shaunna's grad student describes it, we are suffering from a certain comfort with overwhelm.

Lisa and Shaunna dissect why it is that we feel the need to maintain a fast-paced busy lifestyle, and how this works its way into our biases about others. Further, they uncover the gendered dynamic of "busy" and the ways in which women lack the resources to move away from this overwork and overwhelm. Turns out, you don't have to be out of breath all of the time.

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The Burrito (Episode 87)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 24 May 2022 03:00:00 -0400

What is it about white people that makes them think they always have *the* solution or answer to a problem? This week, Shaunna and Lisa discuss Burritos. That's right - if you thought they had it all covered, think again.

Recently, a group of white appearing students put their brains together to come up with a business idea - what if eating a burrito didn't have to be so messy to eat? They created an adhesive that makes it so this meal can be as clean as possible. At first glance, this doesn't seem like a problem. However, this tool takes away all of the cultural backgrounds of the burrito and imposes white western values of "cleanliness" onto this food. Taking a step back from this, Shaunna and Lisa discuss what it means to do DEI work correctly, and how white supremacy finds a way to "fix" things that were never a problem in the first place.

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Learn To Unlearn (Episode 86)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 17 May 2022 03:00:00 -0400

In relation to diversity, equity and inclusion, there is a lot of learning to be done - and we talk about this learning in each of our episodes. However, how often do we discuss the "unlearning" that needs to be done in order to both recognize one's privilege and become a better ally to diverse populations?

This week, Shaunna and Lisa discuss the unlearning process and how we can begin to unlearn things that we are consciously unaware of. To begin, the two underline the ways we can recognize that what we may have been taught for our entire lives, could be completely wrong - or incomplete. Using Lady Gaga's recognition of her unlearning process as a guideline, Shaunna and Lisa dissect the possibilities for unlearning as a medium for change.

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The Leak (Episode 85)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 10 May 2022 03:00:00 -0400

The Leak (Episode 85)

This week, Shaunna and Lisa bumped their scheduled episode to bring you one on the leaked opinion striking down Roe vs Wade (1973) and Planned Parenthood vs Casey (1992), two Supreme Court decisions that enshrined a woman’s right to choose whether or not to have an abortion into U.S. Constitutional law. On Monday, May 2nd, Politico published the leaked opinion (which is only a draft from February), and all hell broke loose. People demonstrated outside the Supreme Court, commentators reflected on what this means for the future of women’s rights in the U.S.A. and a litany of emergency podcasts were released (including ours!).

Shaunna and Lisa discuss why this likely decision to end the constitutional right to abortion in the U.S. could have profound effects on women’s access to sport - for fun and as a career. Being able to choose when and how to have a family is fundamental to a person’s ability to engage fully in society. On the heels of the pandemic that has been devastating to women’s participation in the workplace, forcing women and people who can become pregnant to carry a pregnancy to term is right out of The Handmaid’s Tale. A lack of universal healthcare and paid family leave, horrific maternal mortality statistics, particularly for Black women, and the overall risks of pregnancy, women and people who can become pregnant are at an even greater disadvantage to enjoy the “Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness” the U.S. supposedly guarantees every citizen. On the 50th anniversary of Title IX which did so much for women’s sport, there is a lot to say, and Shaunna and Lisa do not have time to say it all. But hopefully, this pod will make a little clearer the connection between this historic decision and the world of women’s sport.

Mentioned in the podcast

What the SCOTUS leak could mean for abortion

https://crooked.com/podcast/what-the-scotus-leak-could-mean-for-abortion/

‘I only see it getting worse’: Female athletes speak out on Roe v. Wade

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/05/03/sports-world-reacts-roe-wade-supreme-court-wnba/

Athletes Express Support for Abortion Rights in Supreme Court Case Over Mississippi Law

https://www.womensrunning.com/culture/news/athletes-express-support-mississippi-abortion-rights-case/

Social Determinants of Health

https://health.gov/healthypeople/priority-areas/social-determinants-health

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Medical Gaslighting (Episode 84)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 03 May 2022 03:30:00 -0400

Have you ever had your symptoms dismissed by your doctor? Been told you were “making things up” in a medical setting? Not had your physical pain taken seriously? These are all forms of medical gaslighting. Due to an intense history of exclusion or abuse within medical spaces and studies, women, especially marginalized women, experience higher rates of medical gaslighting than cisgender heterosexual white men.

This week on the podcast, Shaunna and Lisa talk to Dr. Karen Lutfey Spencer to discuss the concept of medical gaslighting and how it disproportionally affects marginalized populations. Further, they brainstorm ways to recognize medical gaslighting in the moment and to advocate for themselves. Dr. Spencer is a medical sociologist and Professor of Health and Behavioral Sciences at the University of Colorado Denver. She researches medical decision-making, health disparities, and patient-provider relationships, including medical gaslighting.

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G[Local] DEI

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 26 Apr 2022 03:30:00 -0400

What do Diversity, Equity and Inclusion mean, internationally? What does it look like to promote DEI work in a non-U.S. setting? The United States' deep and traumatic history in terms of racial injustices may make its DEI work un-translatable in some corners of the world. How do we create spaces for DEI work that is g[local] - taking into consideration that global perspective, while also making room for local understandings and adaptations?

In this episode, Shaunna and Lisa discuss the implications wrapped up in the exportation of professional DEI work from the United States to other countries. Further, they dissect what blackness may mean outside of the United States and the importance of having that nuanced understanding as one example of many.

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Second Hand Oppression (Episode 82)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 19 Apr 2022 03:30:00 -0400

History was made as Ketanji Brown Jackson was confirmed to the U.S. Supreme Court on April 7th. Soon to be Justice Jackson, is constantly, and will continue to be under the scrutiny of the public eye. Arguably more so, based on her gender and race in comparison to the others that have come before her. What does this mean for her husband, Dr. Jackson, a white man? How can we work to understand the oppression that comes from being in an interracial relationship?

This week on the podcast, Shaunna and Lisa discuss second-hand oppression, and what it means to be an ally. Further, they dive into how allyship is hindered based on the expectation of perfection. Using Dr. Jackson and the First Second Gentleman, Doug Emhoff as examples, they dissect the spaces that these men must navigate as white spouses to women of colour, and how they act as allies to their wives and children.

Heat of the Night (Episode 81)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 12 Apr 2022 03:30:00 -0400

It seems as though the entire world is talking about the Oscars incident between Will Smith and Chris Rock. Everybody has an opinion on what should have happened or who shouldn’t have done what. However, how many of these opinions take into consideration the history of blackness within the academy and beyond? How many of these opinions take into account both Will and Chris’ personal histories of experiencing violence? This week on the show, Shaunna and Lisa welcome two very special guests, Malika Clinkscales and Andrea Rodriguéz, to dissect this night at the Oscars. Underlining the nuance surrounding Will’s choice to assault Chris Rock, the group discusses how Blackness, as understood by white America, shaped this moment.

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Stale Language (Episode 80)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 05 Apr 2022 03:30:00 -0400

Language changes quickly, and some of the language that has been used in DEI work for years, has now been called outdated. It can be hard to keep up, but maintaining a critical lens on your own language, as well as the language of those around you is important to do justice to underrepresented communities - to which this language is often directed. How do we know where we're at? How do we know when we're outdated? This week on the show, Shaunna and Lisa discuss stale language and the ways we can work towards using more intentional language that represents inclusivity. Using phrases and words like authenticity, tolerance, safe space and civility as examples, Shaunna and Lisa dissect the problems with this language - giving listeners a reference point for how to critically analyze their own word choices.

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Employee Blaming (Episode 79)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 29 Mar 2022 04:00:00 -0400

In today’s economy it seems like there are more jobs than there are employees. A result, in part, of the pandemic’s historic job losses and the opportunity it afforded many to consider what they wanted from their work. However, despite employers upping their game in pay and benefits to attract candidates and despite many employers’ commitments to diversify their workforces, we are still seeing the same old excuses emerge when companies struggle to employ people of color, women, and other communities often most marginalized by oppressive working conditions. This week on the pod, Shaunna and Lisa discuss these excuses - a lack of talent, or that no one applied - and how it shifts the blame for organizations’ continued struggle to hire onto the potential employees. Using Wells Fargo CEO Charles Sharf’s 2020 comment on a lack of Black talent as a jumping off point, they explore what this employee blaming does and who it serves.

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Confidence Porn (Episode 78)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 22 Mar 2022 04:00:00 -0400

Have you ever considered the consequences of focusing so heavily on women and girls’ confidence, or lack thereof? If women and girls are excluded from certain spaces and careers, or don’t negotiate salaries, or struggle to ask for what they want in a relationship, the solution is often: “She just needs more confidence…She needs to believe in herself more!” On this week’s pod, Shaunna and Lisa discuss their views on the harm created by an over-emphasis on women and girls’ confidence and how it obscures the systemic nature of their inequality. In a culture so dedicated to individualism, “leaning-in,” and working hard, it is all too easy to focus on the need for women and girls to change something internally rather than on the traps inherent in the various systems they encounter. Whether employment, family, or sport, it isn’t always a lack of confidence that holds women and girls back. This episode was inspired by the article How Women’s Confidence Became a Cult in The Atlantic, published March 7, 2022 by Shani Orgad and Rosalind Gill.

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? Of The Year (Episode 77)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 15 Mar 2022 03:15:00 -0400

? Of The Year (Episode 77)

There are a litany of awards given annually to the best person in XXX field. Today on the podcast, Shaunna and Lisa talk about Time Magazine’s Women of the Year and how it has attempted to atone for decades of excluding women from its prestigious trophy. Sadly, there are still many awards entitled “Man of the Year.” These awards may sometimes award a woman but over the course of their histories have given awards to women shockingly infrequently. Sport is definitely one of the fields where “Man of the Year” still reigns. Shaunna and Lisa encourage listeners to review the histories of their local sporting awards, whether in their state or their local club to understand what histories of exclusion exist for them. It is crucial to review the how and why of recognition exclusion to redress the imbalance. Tip: nominating/awarding one woman in 2022 is not sufficient.

TIME’s 2022 Women of the Year List

TIME's 2020 100 Women of the Year Project

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Mid Life Crisis (?) (episode 78)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 08 Mar 2022 03:15:00 -0400

This week on the show, Shaunna and Lisa chat about mid-life crises: the what, who, and why. The generic cultural narrative usually centers a white, heterosexual, middle-aged man buying a flashy car, having an affair, or doing some other extravagant something as he reevaulates his life. Yet, folks of all gender identities may experience some kind of “mid-life” moment of reevaluation. We rarely see depictions of this in popular media, nor do we deconstruct whose “mid-life” we are even talking about. Life expectancy certainly is better than it was 50 years ago, but depending on a person’s race, gender, wealth, access to healthcare, home location, and a variety of other socioeconomic and environmental factors, “mid-life” could be anywhere from 35-60. Yes, some people have lived to 120 years old. Shaunna and Lisa discuss how sport capitalizes (and whether it should) on this social and psychological phenomenon and how it might contribute to the ongoing assumption “mid-life” is experienced similarly by everyone.

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Initiated From the Top (Episode 75)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 01 Mar 2022 03:15:00 -0400

This week on the show Shaunna and Lisa discuss several major sporting events that have been happening around the world in the last few weeks and the decision-making that comes along with sport.

Although they seem unrelated, we discuss such major events as the Beijing Winter Olympics doping scandal – including the comparisons between skater, Kamila Valieva and summer Olympics track hopeful, Sha’Carri Richardson; Super Bowl 2022 performers; as well as the Rooney Rule in the NFL and how it’s NOT producing the results intended with diversifying head coaches.

Although there is much to discuss in sport – like Snoop Dogg, Mary J. Blige, and Dr. Dre’s Super Bowl halftime performances and Coach Brian Flores suing the NFL and multiple teams – Shaunna and Lisa finally land in a place that requires change to be initiated from the top. Decision-makers in sport – all the way up to the International Olympic Committee – must consider the global disenfranchisement of some, to the benefit of others.

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Look in the Mirror (Episode 74)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 22 Feb 2022 03:15:00 -0400

In today’s episode, Shaunna and Lisa discuss what it means to hold up a mirror to up to the millisecond judgements we make about other people. Using the recent (unwarranted) critiques of Coach Syndey Carter’s outfit at a Texas A&M basketball game, Shaunna and Lisa discuss what “professionalism” means in sport. The critiques of Carter’s attire are embedded in histories of racism and sexism and again illuminate the double standard women are forced to manage. Negative comments are directed at individuals often because they are perceived as not to belong. Entering a space that has previously excluded a person based on their identities exposes them to baseless and shallow critiques. Despite qualifications and talent, encroaching on the power of white men who have largely dominated coaching and other professions for an eternity, is a threat. (Another point of reference for this is the nomination of an African American/Black woman to the Supreme Court in the U.S and the white response to it). Since attacks cannot be based on qualifications and track record, detractors look elsewhere - their body, their attire, or their personal lives. Tune in to learn more about these realities and struggles and why each of us needs to be better at disrupting our long held and learned assumptions about who belongs where.

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Own Your Roots (Episode 73)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 15 Feb 2022 03:15:00 -0400

This week on the pod, Shaunna and Lisa discuss what it means to really acknowledge a history of exclusion. Shaunna, fresh off of a trip to Chareleston South Caolina was impressed with the approach of the city in acknowledging its history of slavery and the oppression of African and African American people. Throughout her trip, she encountered memorials, museums, and other signifiers and signposts related to Charleston’s history of racism. The city made every effort to make clear its past. This is refreshing. Many cities, organizations, and events refuse to publicly acknowledge their role in the oppression of others, and the perpetuation of slavery, in particular.

Shaunna and Lisa compare Charleston’s acknowledgement and ownership of their history with how endurance sport needs to step up. Endurance sport needs to be more explicit in its discussion of its history of exclusion, particularly of women and people of color. Part of the challenge is the many levels of endurance sport. Bringing them together to collectively acknowledge their roots of exclusion is an easy task to avoid, when responsibility is so diffuse. The recognition of disparities and inequities in endurance sport cannot stay only in the present - at the tips of the tree - it must look backwards to move forwards. Without this open and honest retrospective, we will struggle to sustain an inclusive endurance sport landscape now and in the future.

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A Conversation on Censorship (Episode 72)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 08 Feb 2022 03:15:00 -0400

This week’s discussion on the pod was about censorship. The conversation was spurred by the ever-growing list of books being banned in our children’s schools. Young learners are being denied access to important works of art and the critical discussions that follow. Being able to think critically about ideas, history, social and cultural issues is the bedrock of a functioning citizenry so what does all this censorship mean? What will it cost us in the future?

Censorship is a product of authoritarian rule. The burning of books, the tightening of internet access, and the management and curation of a particular message about a country are all behaviors we expect to see in other places, and not the U.S. Yet, censorship is alive and well here today, and it is especially virulent when it comes to racism and sexism. We have talked alot about the power brokers, the ones for whom our systems work without question. In most cases, it is these same folks who are making decisions about what is and is not “age appropriate” for young people in schools.

We discuss the far reaching consequences of withholding information from young people. The question we ponder is whether this omission is tantamount to a lie being fed to young people by parents and political leaders who subconsciously try to maintain their power and the status quo. As we continuously grapple with how to make endurance sport more inclusive, we should remember the children deprived of a deeper understanding of U.S. history and the legacy of white supremacy are the athletes we train with and coach. Many of us have been deprived of forums where we can learn to think critically and engage about an issue. This lack of training can lead us to being scared of topics like racism. When we are repeatedly told not to talk about it and ignore it, it is no wonder white people struggle so. We don’t touch a hot plate because we learned it will burn us. It is the same with discussions of racism, sexism and homophobia. Don’t touch them because they will leave a mark. Are school boards and white parents across the country deciding their kids are not smart enough or resilient enough to understand the legacy of racism? Or is it that they are fine with racism leaving a mark on Black and brown kids, but not on white ones.

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Life Needs to Participate with Malika Clinkscales (Episode 71)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 01 Feb 2022 03:15:00 -0400

This week on the show Shaunna and Lisa are joined by special guest Malika Clinkscales. Malika is the founder and CEO of Dream Chaser Solutions, an executive coaching company that equips its clients with the essential tools to chase personal dreams and achieve their goals.

An endurance athlete herself, Malika understands how the demands of life can affect your training schedule. She is passionate about helping athletes optimize their time so that their life can accommodate all of the demands of training, and allow them to lean into who they want to become, both in and out of sport.

As we all try to find ourselves again as endurance athletes, an executive coach like Malika can help us build tactical next steps to set ourselves up for success, and achieve our athletic and personal goals. To optimize our time, Malika believes in creating tangible action steps for her clients, and that “all you need is a plan” in order to take the steps to start working toward who you want to become.

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DEI, Antiracism or Both? (Episode 70)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 25 Jan 2022 03:15:00 -0400

Mentioned in the podcast:

The history and changing narrative of Kumbaya

From the Hell Yeah/Hell Naw segment:

Shame Storm (Episode 69)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 18 Jan 2022 03:15:00 -0400

This week on the podcast, Shaunna and Lisa discuss the “shame storm” and the differences between shame and guilt. A question they try to answer is whether shame is actually the root of white people’s inaction around racism instead of guilt. They draw on Brené Brown’s work on shame (although, admittedly neither have read her books!) and try to tease apart the differences. They contemplate the notion that guilt may actually be a useful feeling for white people. This is a different perspective to how they usually understand white guilt as a tool of defensiveness. However, the difference isn’t necessarily that straightforward and neither Shaunna or Lisa have definitive answers. They also discuss that if guilt is actually a tool of action, then we should use guilt to see the struggles of all identity groups. Just because a person may belong to an oppressed group, doesn’t absolve them of advocating for others’ rights as well. Questions on survival strategies and racial exhaustion are also in the mix, as the [un]phased co-hosts try to understand the influence of guilt and shame on our capacity to build lasting change.

Mentions in the pod:

Brene Brown Ted Talk on shame
Brene Brown website
From the Hell Yeah/Hell Naw segment: 51% increases in ER visits in 2021 for adolescent girls and suicide attempts (NYT)

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Superwoman (Episode 68)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 11 Jan 2022 03:15:00 -0400

Have you ever felt like you have to do it all? Have a career, raise perfect children, Instagram your sweaty Peloton rides, make pies for the local charity bake sale… the list goes on and on. Our society puts so much pressure on women to be “superwomen” who have it all together and can manage everything all the time. This narrative is not only unrealistic, it’s harmful. Many women have internalized this “superwoman” trope as the best way to be. This can be damaging when we feel like we can’t live up to these realistic expectations, especially for women that have intersecting identities that add layers to how a “strong” woman that looks like them should be or act. Adding to this is the fact that women, and women of color most of all, have to work ten times harder than their male counterparts for equal recognition in the workplace, and still face a gaping gender pay gap.

With all of this in mind, Shaunna and Lisa explore how we can start to deconstruct our vision of a “strong” woman. Having strength can look vastly different for each person, and across different situations or times. How can we reframe our expectations of ourselves and others who identify as women to encompass a definition of strength that doesn’t mean we have to sacrifice our mental, emotional, or physical health to live up to unrealistic expectations? It’s time to start shifting the narrative.

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Resolutions(?) (Episode 67)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 04 Jan 2022 03:15:00 -0400

Welcome to our first episode of 2022! This week’s episode is all about resolutions. The history of the New Year’s resolution goes back almost 4000 years to ancient Babylon. During that time the Babylonians wanted their crops to grow and flourish, so they made promises to the gods with the hopes that their crops would be bountiful over the year to come. But the concept of the resolution has shifted significantly over time. The external connection to the completion of a good deed has evaporated. Those of us who do still make resolutions are only making promises to ourselves, and it turns out that most of the time we aren't even keeping those; about 80% of people who set resolutions will break them by the first week of February.

Knowing all of this, Shaunna and Lisa are encouraging listeners to reframe our DEI resolutions this year to focus on community instead of ourselves. This is not easy, and can often feel overwhelming. But if we focus our efforts on one area of DEI and take small, measured steps this can help the process feel more manageable. Shaunna explains the concept of micro allyship behaviors, and how we can build in small actions every day to work toward learning new concepts, as well as unlearning old thoughts, habits and ideas. Listen in for a deeper dive.

To learn more about habit stacking go to: https://jamesclear.com/habit-stacking

Hell Nah read: bell hooks, Pathbreaking Black Feminist, Dies at 69

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REBROADCAST Be an Ally with Megan & Saxton Tobin (Episode 40)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 28 Dec 2021 03:00:00 -0400

This week on the podcast, Shaunna and Lisa welcome two very special guests, Saxton Tobin and his mom, Megan Tobin. Saxton is an 17-year-old trangender athlete, and he and Megan speak about his experience in triathlon and what they have learned along the way.

Many of our listeners strive to be allies to underrepresented groups within their communities, and it is important that we all continue to do so. It’s also important that we act in ways that demonstrate our allyship - not just label ourselves as allies. Saxton and Megan weigh in with their best advice on how we can all be better allies to trans folks within the endurance sport community, and on how we can interrupt the “fiction narratives” that are often created around trans athletes’ participation in sport.

Our most important takeaway from this conversation with Megan and Saxton is that the best thing we can do to demonstrate our allyship is to listen. Listen to what trans folks in our triathlon communities are saying and asking for, and include them at the table when decisions are being made about their participation in sport. This will help us move toward a sporting community that values the voices and opinions of groups that have previously been excluded or oppressed in the endurance sport community.

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REBROADCAST Energy Vampires (Episode 37)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 21 Dec 2021 03:00:00 -0400

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Wind Assisted (Episode 66)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 14 Dec 2021 00:15:00 -0400

Thinking about choice in the context of endurance sport is easy. We are faced with dozens of choices all the time - clothing, coaches, training, races, nutrition, clubs, the list goes on. However, have you ever taken a more nuanced approach to the choices being made by those around you? Your teammates, your athletes, your coach? We talk a lot about making choices in training - the choice to do that ride or run or the choice not to, and those choices in this context are often laden with values. To believe that “success” in sport comes only through certain choices (the choice to work hard, for example), belies the reality that not everyone lives in the same ecosystem and the choices in front of us are different. A person’s choice to workout four days instead of seven days a week does not make them any less capable of being fast, strong, or successful in sport, but culture and its communicators (us) often judge them for it when they don’t meet a goal they have set for themselves (“well, you know, if they had trained more…”).

We make these judgments absent any context because what do we really know about the intricacies of everyone’s lives? People can want to be fast, strong, and successful, in fact they can consciously choose that as a goal, but maybe they lack the life context and identity privileges - free time, access to training, financial flexibility, or safety - to make the choice a reality.

When we attribute success to “good” choices in endurance sports, including hard work, we are simplifying something actually quite complicated. Sure, the choice to run or not run might feel easy, but it isn’t for everyone. A person may have multiple pulls on their time, meaning they can’t run even though they would choose to. Reducing a person’s athletic abilities to choice is unfair and lacks the critical consciousness we argue we all need. If we understand choice as more nuanced, we believe we can be better coaches, training partners, and club leaders. What is simple for one person may be fraught with difficulty for another. Removing “choice” from its context does a major disservice to our endurance sport community because it assumes that all choices are neutral, the same, and clear.

Hell yeah: - Old Navy “All-idays” Jingle Jammies commercial - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIEkhJNS8uY

Hell nah: Sports Washing - https://www.npr.org/2021/11/29/1058048696/saudi-arabia-formula-1-china-olympics-human-rights-sports

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Ally vs Savior (Episode 65)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 07 Dec 2021 08:00:12 -0400

Many folks with identity privilege are inclined to lend a hand to others in need. We want to be allies to marginalized groups, and use the resources we have access to in order to help. However, there is a fine line between being an ally and being a white savior. A white savior is a white person who provides help to a non-white person in a self-serving manner; they believe they are destined to become a savior for someone else. Their solutions are borne out of assumptions about what a particular community might need, not by an actual assessment of a community’s needs through consultation with those they wish to help. On this week’s episode, Shaunna and Lisa dive into why this mindset is problematic, and how white folks can shift towards allyship. In doing so, we center the voices and needs of the community we are serving. Another important aspect of true allyship is recognizing there are larger systemic issues affecting marginalized people and communities. White people must engage in critical thought around the solutions offered in an attempt to be an ally, not just a quick fix. Allies must be intentional in their actions and communications, and ask people what they need before stepping in to provide assistance. Hell Yeah, Hell Nah: Dove Crown Coalition University of Maryland slammed for separating Asian students from “students of color” in graphic To learn more about Feisty Triathlon Coaching go to: https://www.feistytriathlon.com/feisty-triathlon-coaching To catch all of the 12 Days of Feisty Deals go to: https://livefeisty.com/12days/ Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feisty Nuun Hydration: 30% off with code StayFeisty at nuunlife.com

Race: Continuing the Conversation (Episode 64)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 30 Nov 2021 08:00:34 -0400

Last week Shaunna and Lisa encouraged us all not to resist talking about race. But how do we begin? For many of us, especially white people, talking about race is not a skill that we are taught. We may want to engage in these conversations but are not sure how, or where to start. What is important however is that we do start. When engaging in conversations about race we should be intentional both in the topic of the conversation and also in the language that we use. North American culture has historically been very euphemistic when it comes to talking about racism, especially the history of black Americans. This minimizes and romanticizes the enslavement of millions of people. Part of the intentionality in our language when engaging in conversations about race is naming the oppressors, instead of naming the oppressed or the minority. This shift in language exposes those that are responsible for the oppression, and takes the blame off of the oppressed group. As we said last week, these conversations are really f%#*^!g hard, but they are also very important. Without these challenging conversations change will never be made. We have to enter into them with respect, but not be afraid to have them. To learn more about Feisty Triathlon Coaching, and get on the waitlist go to: https://www.feistytriathlon.com/feisty-triathlon-coaching Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feisty Nuun Hydration: 30% off with code StayFeisty at nuunlife.com

Let’s Talk About Race (Episode 63)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 23 Nov 2021 08:00:39 -0400

Talking about race is really F%$*&^g hard. It is. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do it. If we constantly duck and dodge frank conversations about how race affects our daily lives, then we will not resolve the persistent hold racial inequity has on our culture and our sporting lives and loves. This week, spurred by article after article speculating on what happened in the Virginia gubernatorial race, we thought we would talk directly about why we resist talking about race. We, well, mostly white people, skirt the issue of race. We talk about it in veiled ways - crime, education, parenting, work ethic - because we have been taught implicitly and explicitly that to talk about race is itself racist. White people are worried about race discussions in school because we have been fed a steady diet of “colorblindness” throughout our lives. White people’s hyper-sensitivity around race, particularly when it comes to White-Black relations in the U.S. context, is built on a common sense of guilt about the U.S.’s “original sin” -- slavery. Slavery -- via the Middle Passage -- happened here. The enslavement of African (and Asian!) people, the violence enacted against them, the rape and murder of enslaved people by white slaveholders, the fracturing of enslaved people’s families for white profit is real and cannot be denied. Talking about the legacy of this history is not racist towards white people. Racism is a system of racial hierarchy where whiteness is at the top and Blackness is at the bottom. This hierarchy is woven through everything, whether it is housing loans, red-lining, public education, generational wealth, or sport. To deny the effects of racial violence and segregation on our lives today is to willfully ignore this history. It is not racist to recognize the effects of slavery, nor is it a statement that all white people are racist. Racism exists in the fabric of the U.S., and yeah, it sucks to acknowledge that. Teaching upcoming generations about this legacy equips them with the tools the rest of us (white people) weren’t given - the ability to talk about and understand the implications of race and its social construction to maintain white power. In this sense, we will be enabling the next generation of athletes to build systems that are smart and nimble, able to institute practices and policies that resist the effects of this history. We have to be able to talk about this as an endurance sport community -- and, just like in endurance sport -- embrace the suck. Embrace the discomfort as growing a muscle rather than experiencing an injury. It won’t be easy, and it might feel sad or gross or painful. But, burying our collective head in the sand because it is easier hurts us more. Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! BLACK FRIDAY: InsideTracker Black Friday Sale from November 22nd-29th (insidetracker.com/feisty) Save $200 off the Ultimate Plan + a free InnerAge test with code FEISTYGIFT or get 25% off sitewide InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon Nuun Hydration: 30% off with code StayFeisty at nuunlife.com

Back in the Blocks: 2021 Outspoken Summit Recap(Episode 62)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 16 Nov 2021 08:00:51 -0400

This week on the podcast Shaunna and Lisa are recapping a few of their favorite moments from the 2021 Outspoken Summit. The theme for this year’s summit was “Back in the Blocks” and the pair discuss how the speakers, sessions, roundtables and other attendees have inspired them to keep advocating for and initiating change in the sport of triathlon. To purchase the Outspoken Summit replays go to www.feistytriathlon.com To get more information on the Shift Sports leadership academy go to: https://forms.gle/SWiwRxPormTydTMv8 I am athlete podcast: https://houseofathlete.com/ UN Climate Conference “World Leaders Reach Climate Agreement”: https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/11/13/cop26-glasgow-climate-deal/ Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon Nuun Hydration: 30% off with code StayFeisty at nuunlife.com

You Can Run, But You Can’t Hide (Episode 61)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 09 Nov 2021 08:00:24 -0400

On this week’s episode, Shaunna and Lisa discuss “The Great Resignation” and how it has been affected by, as well as contributed to, DEI efforts in many organizations. The pandemic has forced many folks to re-evaluate what they want - and need - in their workplaces and leadership. With a shift in how and where many people work, organizations have the opportunity to redefine their workplaces and attract a more diverse workforce through hiring practices, DEI initiatives, and policy change. It is important however, that these efforts and initiatives are genuine. If organizations only make flimsy acknowledgements of the importance of DEI as a tool to attract potential employees, they may actually end up pushing people away that can see through the thin veil of words that do not match actions. Employees, especially those in Gen Z, are savvy enough to look at both words and actions. Many workers in this generation will hold their employer to high DEI standards and if those standards are not realized, they will leave organizations approaching DEI insincerely. For more on the “Great Resignation”; https://nextpivotpoint.com/great-resignation-diversity/ https://hbr.org/2021/09/who-is-driving-the-great-resignation https://hbr.org/2021/09/the-great-resignation-doesnt-have-to-threaten-your-dei-efforts Hell Yeah or Hell Nah Hell Yeah: https://www.nascar.com/news-media/2021/06/24/nascar-wins-sports-league-of-the-year-at-2021-sports-business-awards/ Hell NaH: Gov Abbot signs anti-trans bill into law requiring public school children competing in interscholastic competition must play on teams that match their sex assigned at birth. HB 25, signed Monday 10/25, takes effect Jan 18th 2022 (BS - cos affirmative action is a no no to remedy past racial discrimination, so this is really about gender and maintaining patriarchal power) https://www.npr.org/2021/10/27/1049634164/texas-new-law-restricts-transgender-athletes-participation-on-school-sports-team

Frankenstein DEI (Episode 60)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 02 Nov 2021 07:00:14 -0400

On today’s episode, Shaunna and Lisa dive into the specific skills a DEI professional needs to have to do the work well. The podcast has previously covered the need for companies to hire an outside DEI professional. They have warned against “giving” the job to the person of color or woman in their agency without knowing their capacity to facilitate change or paying them any extra for their labor. Today, Shaunna and Lisa outline the kinds of skills and attributes listeners should look for when hiring a DEI consultant or creating a permanent DEI position. A lot of money is being spent on workplace DEI transformation initiatives, but the hosts encourage listeners not to throw their money at the issue without doing their research. There are hundreds of DEI consultants nationwide and no clear standard for how to assess their legitimacy or skill to guide organizations through the process of change. To find out the key traits to look for when hiring, listen to this week’s [un]phased. It may just save you some money! Good read: Inside the Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Industrial Complex Halyna Hutchins: Film World Mourns ‘incredible artist’ and seeks answers To register for the Outspoken Women in Triathlon Summit go to outspokesummit.com/register Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon Nuun Hydration: 30% off with code StayFeisty at nuunlife.com

Think About How You Hire(archy) (Episode 59)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 26 Oct 2021 07:00:22 -0400

In 2020, the state of Colorado passed a law requiring equal pay for equal work. As part of this law, companies must include salaries when posting new positions. Somewhat unexpectedly, the fallout of this law has been that many non-Colorado companies are choosing to exclude Colorado applicants from their process. They argue disclosing salaries affects their competitive edge when hiring candidates. These same companies do not also want to seem like they do not support women’s salary equity in the workplace. This conflict contributes to the ongoing discussion on equitable hiring practices in the United States. Bias and a lack of transparency in hiring processes continue to contribute to the lack of equal pay for women, trans folks, and people of color. Shaunna and Lisa dive into a number of strategies companies can implement to make their hiring processes more fair. They explain how these strategies will help companies ensure they are selecting applicants based on their qualifications, not their identity, marital status, or proximity to the job (to name a few). They also discuss how mentorship programs can help retain new employees, providing them with growth and development opportunities within the company. These programs can help diversify organizations by providing opportunities for development to every employee and not just a small few. Shaunna and Lisa cap off the episode with their new segment “Hell Yeah, or Hell Naw!” If you have companies or organizations that you would like to give a “Hell Yeah” or a “Hell Naw” to send us an email or voice memo to info@unphasedpodcast.com. Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon Nuun Hydration: 30% off with code StayFeisty at nuunlife.com

Who’s Telling the Story? (Episode 58)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 19 Oct 2021 07:00:20 -0400

History is often presented to us as a concrete fact -- correct and non-negotiable. In school we are quizzed on dates and names, and taught that the stories in our textbooks depict the world exactly as it was before our time. However, this week on the show Shaunna and Lisa remind us that is often the predominant identity, or the “hero” (i.e. white, male) that is the author of the stories that are accepted as historical fact. They tell the story the way that they want to tell it. But this does not tell the complete story. Underrepresented groups and oppressed voices don’t get their stories told in our mainstream view of history. This is true in a general historical context, and also in the sporting context too. To get a full, 360 degree view of history it is important that we go out and ask more questions of everyone. Usually, we hear language like “revisionist history” but Shaunna and Lisa suggest that this approach is a farce. Instead -- we are telling a more complete history, especially from those who have been systematically excluded. Remember, voices are not silenced. Instead, there are entire systems that are not listening, reporting, or sharing those voices. It’s up to us to make sure that all are heard. Shaunna and Lisa are also introducing a new segment this week called “Hell Yeah, or Hell Nahhh!” If you have companies or organizations that you would like to give a “Hell Yeah” or a “Hell Nah” to, send us an email or voice memo to info@unphasedpodcast.com Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon Nuun Hydration: 30% off with code StayFeisty at nuunlife.com

Unchecked Harassment (Episode 57)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 12 Oct 2021 07:00:17 -0400

In a year of podcasts, this was the first time that we felt the need to start with a trigger warning. Why? Robert Sylvester Kelly (R. Kelly). Dr. Larry Nassar. Harvey Weinstein. Dr. William H. Cosby. Gerald Arthur Sandusky...and their countless accomplices are our reasons why. Sadly, we could go on and on with the legal names of both the famous and infamous perpetrators of heinous acts of sexual violence and related crimes. As we focus on endurance sport, we realize that many of our male-dominated settings provide ample opportunity for such behavior to spread. (Note well, we are not saying that women are not perpetrators or that same-sex violence does not happen. What we are saying is that the overwhelming majority of such heinous acts are perpetrated by men in power against women and girls...and the majority of those women and girls are not empowered to report bad behavior). Violence against women happens for various reasons that has nothing to do with the women themselves: quid pro quo propositions, hostile work or learning environments...and the hits keep coming via various forms of violence. Rumors, bullying, slut shaming, verbal harassment, unwanted touching. Oh, and let’s not forget -- much of this also happens in virtual spaces. Given this, we propose that such “scandals” aren’t scandals at all. A scandal is usually relegated to being a rumor or malicious gossip, but that’s not true for the victims and survivors. Such violence is their truth, which can happen anywhere -- on a bike ride or at the pool; during an event or in a changing tent; in your local bike shop or in a business meeting. Fortunately, we at least have the U.S. Center for SafeSport as a layer of protection, however we need much more than just protocols, policies, and procedures. Change management doesn’t occur just because some meaningless phrases are on a sheet of paper. They occur with deep personal work, ongoing awareness, and interrupting the bad behavior of the Roberts, Larrys, Harveys, Williams, and Gerald. Photo credit: Icon Sportswire/Getty Images

Tripping Into Equity (Episode 56)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 05 Oct 2021 07:00:20 -0400

There has been BIG news in the world of Ironman-branded racing this month. Sika Henry -- friend of the podcast and Outspoken: Women in Triathlon alumna -- made history by starting (and finishing!) as the first African American female pro at Ironman 70.3 Augusta. As much as we’re thrilled for Sika, we’re still frustrated. We have a love-hate relationship with Ironman-branded racing. After moving the traditionally held Ironman World Championship from October 2021 to February 2022 in Kona, the race has now been moved again -- to May 2022 in St. George, Utah. (Insert mind-blowing, incredulous, and confused faces here!) Age-group athletes who were already registered for St. George woke up realizing they’ll now be racing amongst the greats, while Shaunna and Lisa woke up wondering if the “equitable” outcomes were an undercard to bottom-line profits in the middle of a pandemic. We suggest that Ironman has tripped into equity accidentally rather than walking (or RUNNING!) into equity intentionally. During this week’s episode, we dissect the two notions of equitable outcomes and equitable processes in Ironman-branded racing. Were equal slots for pro women a happenstance outcome of COVID-changes? Will women get a cleaner race as an unintended outcome? Will a trip to Utah be more financially accessible than a trip to Hawaii for U.S. athletes? We are skeptical and pragmatic at best. Listen in to hear how we think COVID-19 has bullied Ironman into what Ironman CEO Andrew Messick describes as a “unique and historic” year of racing. We’ll see how this plays out next year as Utah also prepares its bid to host a second Olympic & Paralympic Winter Games, possibly as soon as 2030 with Ironman to vouch for its ability to host an internationally acclaimed event. https://www.sltrib.com/sports/2021/09/23/ironman-world/ https://www.sltrib.com/sports/2021/07/24/salt-lake-city-hosting/

Conscious Consuming (Episode 55)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 28 Sep 2021 08:00:09 -0400

Shaunna was reorganizing her home office and happened to put her hands on the book “Our Black Year” by Maggie Anderson (2012). In short, Maggie and her spouse John -- a middle-class, relatively successful African American couple in Chicago -- attempted to buy from only Black-owned businesses for a full year. Yeah...it’s a notable and altruistic goal, but an almost impossible one given that lack of infrastructure and lack of investment in Black-owned supply chains. The author coined the phrase “conscious consumerism”, and we take it a step further. It’s our hope that endurance sport athletes employ “critical consumerism” with their purchases and investments. We bat around questions like “How do we consume differently?” “How do we consume consciously even when it comes with inconvenience?” “At what point do we divest from vendors, partners, localities, states, and organizations whose values align with ours?” Maybe more importantly, “At what point do we force the hands of endurance sport businesses out of neutral, comfortable spaces in order to take a stand for values that are paramount to us?” Take a listen to Episode 55 as we consider options of how to support ethically-aligned businesses and organizations and divest from those who do not serve the greater interests of the systemically excluded. My Black Year: Maggie Anderson at TEDxGrandRapids Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon Nuun Hydration: 30% off with code StayFeisty at nuunlife.com

Separate but [un]equal? (episode 54)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 07:00:26 -0400

This week on the podcast Shaunna and Lisa discuss the Paralympic Games. The name “Para” is meant to be perceived as beside or alongside “Olympic,” however, the Paralympic games have historically been treated as other, or maybe even less-than the Olympics. We see this in a number of ways: the Paralympic Games are always held after the completion of the Olympics, and access to television coverage of Paralympic events is painfully difficult to find. It is likely that this is based on the implicit assumption by organizers and media outlets that the Paralympics will not be as popular and will attract less spectators. If the two Games were truly parallel, Shaunna and Lisa discuss they should perhaps be hosted at the same time and at the same venue. This would allow all athletes to be celebrated on a more equal playing field, despite their level of ability. It is argued though, that the logistics of hosting the two games simultaneously would be “too complicated” and society normalizes access to sport through an able-bodied lens. Shaunna and Lisa counter that argument by reminding us that if the Games were developed with universal design from the beginning they would start on a foundation that includes athletes of all abilities equally. Inspiration porn definition and examples https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewpulrang/2019/11/29/how-to-avoid-inspiration-porn/?sh=47c746a25b3d Jessica Long Toyota Commercial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqWG5_7nwyk Inspiration Porn Critique (of Jess Long commercial) http://www.criticalaxis.org/critique/jessica-longs-story/ We are 15 campaign commercial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng6mT_EJy2Q (only aired during the paralympics per what Lisa saw) We are 15 website: https://www.wethe15.org Should the Paralympics and Olympics be combined? https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/08/15/why-unified-olympics-should-replace-paralympics-column/3362822001/ https://disabilityhorizons.com/2021/08/disability-inclusion-should-the-olympics-and-paralympics-be-merged/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/gusalexiou/2021/09/05/sporting-apartheid---should-the-paralympics-be-scrapped-and-merged-into-the-main-games/?sh=431666dd6da9 Paralympic History https://www.npr.org/2021/08/25/1030629549/paralympics-history-name-meaning https://www.paralympic.org/ipc/history https://onherturf.nbcsports.com/2021/09/05/paralympic-medal-count-tokyo-2020-women-team-usa/ Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon Nuun Hydration: 30% off with code StayFeisty at nuunlife.com

A Long Way to Go featuring Rachel Joyce (Episode 53)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 14 Sep 2021 07:00:27 -0400

This week on [un]phased Shaunna and Lisa are joined by retired professional triathlete, and recent finisher of the Leadville 100 mile Trail Run Rachel Joyce. The three discuss the lack of female representation at the race, and in ultra-distance running events in general. As a former professional athlete, Rachel was accustomed to carving out time each day for her training. But she tells us how she found it more difficult she found it to carve out that same time for training now that she is a mother of two. Shaunna and Lisa chat with Rachel about those societal pressures that women face, and how these can present systemic barriers to participation in endurance sport. This last 18 months has been especially fatiguing, both physically and emotionally for those that are in the role of a caregiver. We know that this predominantly falls on women, and is a contributing factor that keeps many women out of endurance events. But we also know that the process of training for a triathlon or an ultra run can be incredibly transformative, and has the power to have a hugely positive impact on the lives of women. Getting more women to the start lines of these events is multifaceted, and it is about much more than just lowering registration fees or adding world championship qualifying slots. We need to start to create a shift in the narrative of the endurance sport culture that allows all folks, but especially women, to see endurance sport as a form of emotional care for themselves and to realize that getting to the start line of an event is a goal they are worthy of setting. Learn more about the Outspoken Women in Triathlon Summit at www.outspokensummit.com Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon Nuun Hydration: 30% off with code StayFeisty at nuunlife.com

Staying Power (Episode 52)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 07 Sep 2021 08:00:16 -0400

Welcome to our one-year anniversary episode! We are officially celebrating 52 weeks of the [un]phased podcast with a look back at some of our favorite clips from our first year. Shaunna and Lisa each take us through their three Top Picks and reflect on how their thinking may have evolved or stayed the same (i.e., reverse racism is still not a thing!) on some of the key topics they have covered since Episode One. Taking the time to reflect on these thoughts and concepts is important as we continue to grow and develop as a podcast, and to help our listeners grow along with us. We hope you enjoy this little walk down [un]phased memory lane! Learn more about the Outspoken Women in Triathlon Summit at www.outspokensummit.com Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon Nuun Hydration: 30% off with code StayFeisty at nuunlife.com

Imposter Syndrome (Episode 51)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 31 Aug 2021 07:00:15 -0400

Have you ever felt that you simply did not belong? Have you ever felt like you simply did not “fit” in endurance sport? If you have never felt this way, you are in the minority. Based on the research done in this area, most people, regardless of gender, have felt as if they are inadequate, did not measure up, and emanate some type of “phoniness” in sport. Imposter syndrome has been studied since the 1970s and it continues to be studied in academic spaces. We can’t help but see all of the connections and parallels to endurance sport -- wondering if you belong, wondering if you have experienced enough to “truly” be an athlete, wondering if you can live up to the standards of the sport or your own. Adding the qualification that you are “slow” or that you are not a “real” runner, all come from a place of feeling inadequate, that you are, essentially an imposter During this podcast, we grapple with what imposter syndrome is, and how we can try to construct endurance sport contexts to help minimize such feelings. We are not suggesting that every minoritized person grapples with imposter syndrome. However, we wonder how anyone can avoid such a challenge given that all athletes have set a goal -- whether it’s to win the entire race or simply to show up at the start line. For those who have never felt that pangs of imposter syndrome, make sure you listen in. Your empathy and ability to understand such a feeling can equip you to help create spaces where sense of belonging increases and as a result, participation of all people increases as well. Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon Nuun Hydration: 30% off with code StayFeisty at nuunlife.com

The Chicken or the Egg? (Episode 50)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 24 Aug 2021 07:00:05 -0400

What comes first: presenting diversity in your event’s messaging and media when you don’t have full representation, or actually having a diverse representation of participants before publicizing? As in many of the topics we discuss, the answer is never straight forward. Putting out an image that portrays your race or event as more diverse than it actually is could be perceived as disingenuous, or even deceptive. However, if underrepresented groups never seem themselves reflected in your marketing materials it’s likely that they’ll feel that your event is not for them. So, which comes first, is it the chicken or the egg? Do we bring in diverse groups and then include them on our social media afterwards? Or do we project what we hope our event will become? Even though the answers here aren’t always clear, what is clear is that we should be authentic and honest with this messaging. Ultimately, projecting the image of what we want our event to become can help us get there, but the messaging should portray this depth. It should create the narrative that, even though our sport or events are not as diverse as we’d like them to be, we are doing our best to get there. In doing so, it demonstrates authenticity and vulnerability, allows under-represented folks to see themselves in the marketing materials, and assures marginalized folks that the organization is prioritizing a welcoming atmosphere. Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon Nuun Hydration: 30% off with code StayFeisty at nuunlife.com

The Audience (Episode 49)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 17 Aug 2021 07:00:24 -0400

As podcast hosts, educators, triathletes, and leaders in our communities it is important for us to always be thinking of the audience that we are speaking to. Is our messaging communicating the right thing? We make decisions, some intentional and some implicit, around the language that we choose to use, and these choices in language can make our audience feel either included or excluded. Being aware of who our audience is currently, as well as who we want to draw into it, can help guide our decisions in how we communicate. Shaunna and Lisa also make an important distinction between including and centering. It is important to recognize the folks that have historically been excluded from our audiences, and look for ways to make them feel included and engaged. Being truly inclusive may also mean that the folks that have always been centered at our events or in our audience or now decentered to make room for others. This decentering can be uncomfortable for the folks that are used to having everything built with their needs in mind, but it is a crucial step in creating spaces in endurance sport that are a welcoming environment for all. Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon Nuun Hydration: 30% off with code LiveFeisty at nuunlife.com

Burn It Down (Episode 48)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 10 Aug 2021 06:00:15 -0400

This week on [un]phased, Shaunna and Lisa dive into the intersectional experiences of female athletes. Women, predominantly women of color, often face critiques of their physicality and femininity in the context of their sporting environment. In the United States especially, there has been a history of women of color being harmed by a white construct of femininity. Remnants of these biases still exist today and are especially pertinent in professional sport where women are judged so harshly based on their physical appearance. Athletes are often conceptualized in the popular imagination as entertainers; performers who are there for us to watch and sometimes, judge. Women athletes are expected to conform to an image of femininity that is defined and constrained by whiteness. Women in sport often have to defend their identities and fight for the right to compete as they face added stress compared to their white, male counterparts. As consumers of sports media, it is critical that we step back and examine any judgments we make, implicit or explicit, and how general critiques of, and commentary about female athletes, especially women of color, are presented to us. We have to resist harmful narratives that take power away from women athletes by limiting them to narrow definitions of womanhood. Consumers, athletes, leaders, sponsors, and business owners must constantly contemplate how to build anti-racist and anti-sexist sport organizations. Resisting limited notions of femininity is one place to start to support athletes of all identities. Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon Nuun Hydration: 30% off with code LiveFeisty at nuunlife.com

Rules, Re-Examined (Episode 47)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 03 Aug 2021 07:00:24 -0400

As the amazing athletic feats continue to unfold at the Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games, Shaunna and Lisa encourage us to take note of the gender disparity between men and women in Olympic coverage. Notice how commentators and other members of the media refer to their skills, performances, and bodies. In many instances, there is a distinct difference between the way women and men athletes are described and their performances dissected. Even the uniforms the women wear are noticeably more revealing and sexualized, save perhaps the male divers. A question this raises is who gets to decide what is “appropriate” attire for athletic events? Shouldn’t athletes have the right to decide what they wear in competition based on their needs and comfort? At what point does tradition become oppressive and reinforce harmful stereotypes about women and women’s sport? And how does a commentator’s banter and anecdotes reinforce or explode these stereotypes? Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon Nuun Hydration: 30% off with code LiveFeisty at nuunlife.com

Diversity Beyond the Committee (Episode 46)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 27 Jul 2021 07:00:21 -0400

This week on the podcast Shaunna and Lisa take on questions from a listener that expand on their conversation around DEI Committees. Committees often face resistance from different areas or leaders within their larger organization. This may be due to budgetary concerns, unwillingness to embrace change, unbalanced power dynamics, or unrealistic expectations of what the committee can accomplish. Shaunna and Lisa guide us through all of these challenges and offer their expertise on how DEI committee members can start to address them. They also remind us that it is important for committees to acknowledge when they should advocate for hiring an external DEI expert, and explain how companies can and should shift from seeing this as an “expense” to an investment in the future of their company. The value of hiring an external DEI expert should not be underestimated, as they are able to come in with an unbiased view of the policies and practices currently in place within an organization. Shaunna and Lisa outline how committees can articulate the importance of this to decision-makers within their organization, and help them realize how it will benefit them in the long run both socially and also financially. Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon Nuun Hydration: 30% off with code LiveFeisty at nuunlife.com

The World Is Watching (Episode 45)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 20 Jul 2021 07:00:20 -0400

As the world has started to “open up” again, we have seen a wave of international sporting events at our stadiums, pools, and on our television screens. Watching the best athletes in the world compete on a global stage is awe-inspiring. It is important however, that we also acknowledge the downfalls of large international competitions, and realize that most sport organizations and governing bodies were built within systems that uphold systemic racism and oppression. Shaunna and Lisa dive into the nuances of hosting the Olympic Games during a global pandemic, in a country that lacks the regulatory infrastructure to quickly vaccinate its own residents. Who will be most harmed by the Olympics moving forward? They also discuss how the IOC and other sport governing bodies have created systems that center maleness and whiteness, and have historically forced oppressed groups to conform to these ideals. While it is a time to celebrate the best athletes in the world, it is also imperative that we, as consumers of the Olympics, recognize the systemic inequities The Games perpetuate. Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon Nuun Hydration: 30% off with code LiveFeisty at nuunlife.com

The Little Things (Episode 44)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 13 Jul 2021 07:00:12 -0400

The little things that we do can make a big difference towards the impact that we have on those around us. This is especially true when we are trying to make spaces in triathlon and endurance sport more inclusive. On this week’s episode Shaunna gives us a recap of her latest race at Rev3 Triathlon in Williamsburg, VA; in particular she and Lisa discuss the ways in which the race was successful and not successful in creating an inclusive and welcoming event. They give us some suggestions that we can all take forward when planning or participating in our next event, and remind us that inclusive excellence leads to a much better experience for all participants. Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon Nuun: 30% off with code LiveFeisty at nuunlife.com

Cultural Capital (Episode 43)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 06 Jul 2021 07:00:30 -0400

This week on the podcast Shaunna and Lisa discuss Tara Yosso’s Cultural Wealth Model, and explain how we can apply the theory to endurance sport. The six pillars of Yosso’s model serve as a foundation for businesses, triathlon clubs, and other endurance sport organizations to set themselves up to integrate DEI work as a central part of the work that they do, instead of an add-on or after thought. Yosso’s six forms of capital are: Social Capital, Aspirational Capital, Familial Capital, Linguistic Capital, Navigational Capital, and Resistance Capital. Shuanna and Lisa break down each of these forms, and explain how we can use them as a framework through which we can build endurance sport communities that center people’s unique skills, knowledge, and experiences as value instead of a deficiency. They remind us that we are better as a community if we acknowledge and value all of these perspectives. You can read more about Tara Yosso’s Cultural Wealth Model at: https://studentaffairs.ucmerced.edu/sites/studentaffairs.ucmerced.edu/files/documents/yosso_summary_.pdf Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon

Juneteenth (Episode 42)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 29 Jun 2021 08:00:10 -0400

As Shaunna and Lisa predicted, the commercialization of Juneteenth as a national holiday in the U.S. has unfortunately begun. This week on the show, they break down exactly why it is so problematic to view this day as a “holiday” to celebrate for people who do not identify as Black or African American.. To interpret Juneteenth as only a celebration undermines the weight of what we are observing: the notification to enslaved people in Texas they were now free (1865), two years after the Emancipation Proclamation (1863). While this is a positive event, commercializing and celebrating Juneteenth in the way we have done with many U.S. holidays -- most notably Memorial Day or Veteran’s Day -- side steps (purposefully, perhaps) a very painful and uncomfortable truth: The U.S is built on the enslavement and slaughter of Black, indigenous, and some Asian people before them. For white folks, this should be a contemplative time - a day to acknowledge the extreme discomfort of living in a social, spiritual, and economic system that literally profited off of the enslavement of millions of people for over 250 years. This system of white supremacy upheld a framework of violence, marginalization, and degradation that has lasting reverberations today. It is important for us to understand the history of the day, to acknowledge where we fit into that history, and to contemplate the ways we can make Juneteenth more meaningful than a day off of work or discounted washer/dryer combo. Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon

Rainbow Washing (Episode 41)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 22 Jun 2021 08:00:19 -0400

Have you noticed that this month there has been an explosion of rainbow everywhere as we celebrate Pride? Does it make you wonder if the companies that are creating these displays are really authentic in their support of LGBTQIA+ rights? If so, this is the podcast episode you have been waiting for. Shaunna tells us about her most recent experience at “Targé” and explains exactly what the term “Rainbow Washing” means. This issue can be complex as it creates a tension between normalisation and acceptance, and tokenism or performative allyship that is disconnected from the oppression and violence that the LGBTQIA+ community faces. These acts of performative allyship may also be motivated by the company’s bottom line, as they see the celebration of Pride Month as an opportunity to capitalize on an image that conveys support for Pride celebrations. Lisa and Shaunna remind us that we, as consumers and endurance athletes, should be thoughtful on where and how we are spending money, as well as the organizations business we are supporting. It is important to ask where the organization's commitment to supporting the LGBTQIA+ community goes beyond the month of June, and find out what they are doing to shift the culture within their organization. This allows us all to be held accountable for our actions and support of this community. How Pride Month Became a Branded Holiday: https://www.vox.com/2018/6/25/17476850/pride-month-lgbtq-corporate-explained Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon

Be an Ally with Saxton Tobin & Megan Tobin (Episode 40)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 15 Jun 2021 07:00:23 -0400

This week on the podcast, Shaunna and Lisa welcome two very special guests, Saxton Tobin and his mom Megan Tobin. Saxton is an 18-year-old trangender athlete, and he and Megan speak about his experience in triathlon and what they have learned along the way. Many of our listeners strive to be allies to underrepresented groups within their communities, and it is important that we all continue to do so. It’s also important though, that we actually act in ways that show our allyship - not just label ourselves as allies. Saxton and Megan weigh in with their best advice on how we can all be better allies to trans folks within the endurance sport community, and on how we can interrupt the “fiction narratives” that are often created around trans athletes’ participation in sport. Our most important takeaway from this conversation with Megan and Saxton is that the best thing that we can do to demonstrate our allyship is to listen. Listen to what trans folks in our triathlon communities are saying and asking for, and include them at the table when decisions are being made about their participation in sport. This will help us move toward a sporting community that values the voices and opinions of groups that have previously been excluded or oppressed in the endurance sport community. Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon

Diversity Committees (Episode 39)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 08 Jun 2021 08:00:11 -0400

Following the uprise in the social justice movement in the wake of the murder of George Floyd in 2020, we saw many companies and organizations form diversity committees to address racism and injustice within their own systems. The enthusiasm to form these committees and engage in DEI work was certainly an encouraging sign that our society is beginning to recognize the systemic nature of racial injustice. However, it is important that organizations form their diversity committees in a meaningful ways that both support the folks on the committee, and empower them to be able to make actual change within the organization. This week, Shaunna and Lisa discuss the important aspects that should be evaluated when creating a diversity committee, selecting and supporting its members, and acting on the recommendations of the committee. Criteria should be established for selecting the folks that will be doing this work, which should not be based on identity alone, and these folks should be compensated or adequately supported so that they have the time and resources to meaningfully engage in the work of the committee. It is important that a structure is established around what the committee should be doing as well as how it should be done, and they should have support from the top of the organization to empower them to make DEI work an integral part of the structure of the organization. As experts in this field, Shaunna and Lisa provide us with some important checklist items to consider when forming these committees within our own organizations. They remind us that diversity committees cannot just be a token, the advice of the committees should be respected and acted upon. Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon

The Sport Justice Movement with Dr. Shaun Anderson (Episode 38)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 01 Jun 2021 08:00:00 -0400

This week Shaunna is joined by special guest Dr. Shaun Anderson. Dr. Anderson is an associate professor of organizational communications and author of the forthcoming book Shut Up and Dribble: The Black Athlete Revolt in the Age of #BlackLivesMatter. He reminds us that sport and politics have always been mixed; athletes have long used their public platforms to call out social injustice. The difference now however is that, through social media and other outlets, athletes can control the way that they are engaging in the narratives around social injustice. The next step for all of us in the sporting community, is to begin to use these platforms to push towards engaging in true policy reform. It is not an easy fight; we are pushing against a systematic regime that has been in power for ages, but by educating ourselves, building a platform and speaking out, we can begin to make positive changes in sport and society.

As part of the endurance sport community, if you listen to our podcast, we have a firm stance. We agree with Dr. Anderson, sport and activism are inextricably linked. Even if you are silent, inactive, and oblivious, you are still part of a system that maintains oppression against various groups. We challenge [un]phased listeners to stay awake to such issues, speak out even if your voice shakes, and become active in small ways as you find your momentum. Use your personal platform as an age group athlete, amateur athlete, aspiring professional, or pro to have these conversations about social injustice. This is even more important, given that the majority of those in our sport are not completely demographically in the communities that are most affected by these issues. To initiate change, we must become disruptors in the system. As co-conspirators and aspiring allies, we can (and should!) push our sporting organizations to create policies, practices, systems, and budgets that are equitable and inclusive.

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Energy Vampires (Episode 37)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 25 May 2021 08:00:10 -0400

Have you encountered someone who is so resistant to DEI work that they seem to drain all of your energy? You get sucked into the vortex of their unrelenting resistance, and often this distracts you from the work and all of the other folks that support it. This week on the show Lisa & Shaunna explain that we can call those folks that seem to exhaust you constantly “Energy Vampires.” They take our energy to fuel themselves, leaving us with less energy to spend not just in our social justice work, but in all areas of our lives. We all have to be intentional about how we spend our energy, whether this be in sport, our careers, or in social justice work. It is important to set boundaries, especially when interacting with “Energy Vampires,” and to direct our focus towards those folks that do have the energy and excitement to engage in DEI work alongside us. Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon

Safety vs Comfort (Episode 36)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 18 May 2021 08:00:16 -0400

As we approach the one year anniversary of George Floyd’s murder, and the international calls for racial justice, it is important to evaluate our collective progress in social justice work. Shaunna and Lisa remind us this week that conversations around race and racial injustice have to be sustained in order to make transformational change. The further we get from a catalyzing moment, the harder it can be to keep the momentum going. Outrage fades and with it, the energy to continue the work seeps away. Since engaging in conversations about racial injustice and our role in holding up oppressive systems are difficult, we sometimes recoil. The discomfort many of us feel in these moments is then translated as a lack of safety or worse, as an attack. And so, we disengage. But these feelings of discomfort are necessary to move towards actual change. Misinterpreting them is a manifestation of our hesitancy to own our privilege and for white people, their white fragility. In this week’s episode, Shaunna and Lisa discuss how we can frame conversations around race so we all move forward with real “un-sugar coated” discussions. We have to face our discomfort and work through it in order to maintain the momentum of this work. One year on, where are you? Where do you still need to go? Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon

Sugar Honey Iced Tea (Episode 35)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 11 May 2021 08:00:16 -0400

When is it appropriate to talk about racism with children? Is talking about racial injustice divisive? Shaunna and Lisa are tackling these questions and more this week, as they discuss this type of coded language in DEI work. The history, and the way that it is taught in North America especially, has been shaped through the lens of whiteness. The full story of our history has not been told, because the ones that have been telling the stories, writing the text books, and teaching our children have predominantly been white folks creating a narrative that centres whiteness. Those that feel that the truth about our history of slavery, racism, and oppression is too divisive view these others narratives as implicating white people as the villians. But what do folks really mean when they say “divisive”? Lisa and Shaunna explain that perhaps this is a coded way for those folks to indicate that, as white people, they do not want to be held accountable for things that happened in the past. They may be unwilling to face the discomfort that comes with facing this history, and use coded language as a distraction from actually doing the work to change how we shape our historical narrative. It is important that those of us who are engaged in this work start to swim against the current of coded language and behaviors that try to depict telling a fuller story of history as divisive.

Happy Mother's Day? (Episode 34)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 04 May 2021 08:00:12 -0400

Mother’s Day in the United States is approaching, but Shaunna and Lisa aren’t quite sure what to make of it. Such topics are never as simple as they seem. Shaunna is not saying that we should completely obliterate the holiday itself, especially as a Mom. Lisa has the double whammy of considering both Mother’s Day in the UK and the U.S., which isn’t particularly pleasant. Shaunna and Lisa weigh the challenges of the annual holiday by examining who is considered a mother, the complicated origins of Mother’s Day (including boycotts, walk outs, and the sanatorium), and the commercialization of the holiday within the endurance sport community. 7 Things You Don’t Know About Mother’s Day Dark History https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/150507-mothers-day-history-holidays-anna-jarvis How Mother’s Day Came to Be https://www.almanac.com/content/history-mothers-day The affect of the COVID-19 pandemic on mothers' mental health https://today.yougov.com/topics/education/articles-reports/2021/03/04/coronavirus-impact-on-mothers-mental-health Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon

It's Complicated (Episode 33)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 27 Apr 2021 08:00:11 -0400

Ever heard of the term “manspreading”? It refers to when men -- on public transportation or in other spaces -- sit with legs wide apart, usually covering more than one seat. Yes, men literally take up too much space in many settings. (We haven’t even talked about triathlon transition areas yet!) Shaunna and Lisa discuss the idea of White DEI Professionals and help them to think critically about “white-spreading” -- how can one authentically serve as a White DEI professional without taking up too much space? During this episode, Shaunna and Lisa discuss how a White DEI professional must move very differently from other oppressed groups in similar roles to be successful in their work. Humility is foundational. Yet, White DEI professionals will need to think about strategy, such as intentional collaborations, earning credibility in various ways, navigating perceptions of white savior complex, and knowing when to talk less and listen more. Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon

Generations In Sport (Episode 32)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 20 Apr 2021 08:00:19 -0400

Participation in endurance sport can be enjoyed at any age. This is one of the wonderful things about our sport; connections can be created across generations as we make our way from the start to the finish line. It is important to recognize however, that this generational distribution also comes with challenges. Varying perspectives, communication styles, and levels of personal development all create unique needs for every generation and the individuals within it. This week Shaunna and Lisa discuss how leaders in triathlon and endurance sport can consider the varying needs of athletes across all generations that participate in our events, training groups, or triathlon clubs. We must consider how we can make all generations feel more welcome and accepted in our sport so that triathlon can continue to grow and thrive with each generation to come. Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon

Find the Joy with Dr. Nicole Bailey (Episode 31)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 13 Apr 2021 08:01:46 -0400

This week on the podcast Shaunna and Lisa are joined by a special guest, Dr. Nicole Bailey. Dr. Bailey is a community based social worker with a PhD in Counseling Psychology who specializes in working with the BIPOC & LGBTQ+ communities. She is also an avid triathlete, and recognizes the important role that participation in endurance sport can play in improving and maintaining our mental health. Engaging in DEI work often takes a toll on our mental health; as a result, engaging in physical activity and healthy movement is an important part of a holistic approach to maintaining our psychological and emotional wellbeing. Dr. Bailey highlights the importance of creating safe spaces in endurance sport for all folx to show up, be, and feel exactly who they are. As we begin to return to sport it’s crucial that coaches, triathlon club leaders, and other leaders in the endurance sport community build a re-entry plan that addresses the unique needs of all athletes and meets folks where they are. As athletes, it is easy for us to compare ourselves to where we used to be in terms of our fitness, run paces, or watts on the bike. Dr. Bailey reminds us that it is important to find the joy in participating in our sport and acknowledge that it is something that we do to bring health and happiness into our lives. Dr. Bailey also gives us her advice on what to look for if you are seeking help from a mental health professional as an endurance athlete. Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon

Bad Tea Party (Episode 30)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 06 Apr 2021 08:00:10 -0400

As we learn, our thoughts and needs evolve. Simultaneously, technology, laws, and the cultural landscape around us also changes. In the midst of all this change, it's important to ask ourselves how the focus of our DEI work needs to change and evolve, too. DEI work is an ongoing process; we will always have areas of growth. This week, Shaunna and Lisa address new DEI areas, trends, and directions on the horizon for 2021. One such area is the regular acknowledgement of the intersectionality of our identities. The concept is used more and more frequently in endurance sport and in ways that five years ago many of us may not have understood. Identities do not exist in silos, and they are far more than just the sum of their parts. They intersect to create complex and nuanced experiences for people and are in constant flux dependent on context. Therefore, this “messiness” of our identities makes it challenging to fit all folks into the rigid and structured system of endurance sport. As members of the endurance sport community, it’s important we push for change to create rules and policies that reflect the reality that life, identities, and what it means to be inclusive are not static premises. We have to be nimble to continually advance. Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon

White Identities (Episode 29)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 30 Mar 2021 09:00:30 -0400

This week on the show Lisa and Shaunna take a deep dive into Dr. Barnor Hesse’s 8 White Identities. This theory is important as it comes from a person of color critiquing white folks, which is an anomaly. The white identities outlined in the theory exist on a scale of one to eight. The theories span from “White Supremacist” to “White Abolitionist.” Shaunna and Lisa dissect each of these identity “categories” and explain what they might look like in a practical sense. They also discuss whether white identity development is linear as this theory supposes, the level of discomfort that comes with each white identity, and the idea that white privilege may be the root of all eight of Hesse’s identities. Ultimately, White people have to ask themselves how uncomfortable we are willing to become in order to work towards moral grounds and racial justice. It is important for White folks to continue to reflect and self-examine which of the White identities might best describe them in order to understand the continued work they need to do. It’s easy to rank yourself higher than you are (see episode 2: Nice White Triathletes!). So, honesty with yourself is really crucial. You can view one of several graphics of the “8 White Identities” by Dr. Barnor Hesse here: https://www.instagram.com/p/CBDfDbipjdm/?hl=en Read Madeline Price’s One Woman Project blog where she discusses the 8 White Identities here: https://www.onewomanproject.org/activism/2021/1/25/i-was-a-white-feminist-heres-how-im-learning-to-be-an-intersectional-feminist-white-traitor-and-abolitionist Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon

Fit vs Add (Episode 28)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 23 Mar 2021 08:00:09 -0400

“Do you feel like you fit in?” Well, maybe we’re getting a substandard question because we’re asking the wrong question. During Episode 28, Shaunna and Lisa dive into the notion of “fit versus add” starting with Oprah’s recent interview of Meghan Markle and Prince Harry. What does it mean to fit into a system versus adding to a system? As co-hosts, Shaunna and Lisa feel strongly that diversity adds great benefits to a system, but we also realize that many organizations are simply stating their beliefs with very few actions to match. There are many systems (such as the British Monarchy) that have no interest in diversity at all. The Royal Family is an entire system that has prided itself on NOT added, therefore -- we watched with no surprise, simply listening for new articulations of a familiar refrain. Maintenance of the status quo has become the essence of who they are and history hijacks any opportunity to ensure that different folks are included. In fact, exclusion can become a family business...THE actual business itself. In endurance sport, many organizations have suggested that they do not want to perpetuate the status quo. Given that, we want to shine a light on the use of a person not “fitting” as a means of exclusion. Organizations are simply not willing to pay the cost -- in money, time, human resources, or space -- to ensure that historically-excluded groups are now firmly included. Yes, it is countercultural, but not all culture is life-giving, inclusive, or sound. Similar to Prince Harry’s sentiments, Shaunna and Lisa don’t understand why endurance sport doesn’t take the great opportunity to get to know the needs of current underrepresented athletes and attract more oppressed groups to our communities. Such communities may not need endurance sport, but we surely need their talents, abilities, and perspectives in our athletic community. Listen in and let us know what you think about “Fit versus Add”. Watch Purl here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6uuIHpFkuo Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon

Disempowering Language (Episode 27)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 16 Mar 2021 08:00:28 -0400

Language is powerful. What we say and hear shapes our reality, affecting how we view others and view ourselves. When we hear or say things enough times, those words, labels, and concepts can become our truth. This week on the podcast, Shaunna and Lisa remind those in the endurance sport community why our language choices are so important, and why we must consider how our language affects others. Language can reinforce disempowering beliefs. This is especially salient in the triathlon community; how we talk about ourselves and others in terms of body image, athleticism, or even the race categories athletes assign themselves can affect what participants in our sport believe. Our language can cause folks to feel othered if they are outside of what society has labeled as “normal,” and this othering through language can reinforce disempowering beliefs in all of us. Shaunna and Lisa encourage us to question and push back against everyday speech and the labeling we take for granted because “everybody says it.” As an endurance sport community, we have to break down the archetype of who a “normal” athlete is or what an “athletic” body looks like by thinking more carefully about our language choices. Words have power and they do shape how we understand our sense of self and belonging in endurance sport. *To win a ticket to the Feisty Women’s Performance Summit leave us a rating and review on your podcast app of choice, take a screenshot, share it on social media and tag @outspokenwomenintri and @livefeistymedia Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon

Digital Footprints (Episode 26)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 09:00:18 -0400

Racism doesn’t just occur in the physical world; it is also reflected in the digital world in words, images, groups, and even emojis and GIFs. While these images and caricatures may seem benign, their use is likened to a digital version of Black Face, and can be deeply hurtful and offensive to folks of color. Shaunna and Lisa explain their use by white folks as “trying on” different races as a way to represent extreme joy or frustration in online communications. Using images or GIFs of people of color as a way to express a white person’s extreme emotion is dehumanizing and a slippery slope towards cultural appropriation. Endurance athletes, like everyone else, are accountable for the things they say online. Even if they are “saying” them with images or emojis. 2020 saw a wave of endurance sport companies making statements about standing up against racial injustice and inequality, but it is now time for them to put those words into action, and hold their employees and athletes accountable. We are all part of the race conversation. We have to be open to correction, education, and change over time, and learn to think, act, speak, and use our emojis more responsibly. For more on this topic: https://www.teenvogue.com/story/digital-blackface-reaction-gifs https://www.aquickbrownfox.com/blog/2020/11/15/representation-matters-but-it-is-not-enough Support the podcast and use our sponsor codes! InsideTracker: 25% off at insidetracker.com/feistytriathlon

Avoid Burnout, Pass the Baton (Episode 25)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 02 Mar 2021 10:00:32 -0400

We’ve all heard the term “self-care,” but what does it really mean when we engage in representation, inclusion, and equity work in endurance sport and our lives? The prism through which we understand self-care is often tinted based on our identities. The urgency with which we engage in social justice work and the time we have available have profound effects on our ability to avoid burnout. This relationship between who we are, the work we do, and our time for self-care can evolve over time as our lives change and shift. Practicing self-care is important. It allows us to bring the attention back to ourselves and pay attention to our own needs. But many folx, especially those who work in the representation, inclusion and equity space, struggle to make time for their own needs. Shaunna and Lisa explain that self-care for professionals working in or advocating for representation, inclusion, and equity is complicated and looks different for each person. For them, triathlon often provides a place of refuge. But when conversations around racial justice, inclusion, or equity start to make their way into our tri club meet ups -- as we feel they should -- it can put an additional toll on folx who are already doing this work in other areas of their lives. Although these conversations are incredibly important, it is also important that we “pass the baton” of representation, inclusion and equity work, so folx who engage in this work in their professional lives can get the rest they need to stay in the work. Our goal should be to keep everyone in the fight, running at their own pace. Our homework for this week is to think about our own self-care plan… and maybe that will include a few choice words for a cathartic release. [un]phased is also wishing a very special Happy 10th Birthday to Shaunna’s oldest son, Trai! We hope you have an awesome day!

Design Flaws (Episode 24)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 10:00:38 -0400

Technology is supposed to make our lives easier, but for many folx, this simply is not the case. From Zwift avatars to automatic faucets, it is obvious that the technology that we use every day was not designed with all races, genders, abilities, or body types in mind. Whiteness and maleness have been the dominant identities throughout our culture, especially in endurance sport. As such, all of the systems, technologies and even clothing that surround our sports are created from the lens of those identities which minimizes the experiences of anyone who does not fit that identity. So how can we change this? Shaunna and Lisa discuss why it is to create systems that bake in diverse perspectives and experiences from the start. This can help to ensure that everyone feels welcome, seen, and represented. They remind us of the concept of universal design, and how it can be used to create systems that are inclusive and welcoming.

Money? Ick! (Episode 23)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 16 Feb 2021 10:00:22 -0400

Most women struggle to charge based on their worth for the services they offer. On this week’s podcast, Shaunna and Lisa break down what this is about and how we can address it. Shaunna’s friend, Shun Strickland calls this feeling “money ick.” It is not an uncommon feeling. Many of us find it difficult to discuss our monetary worth when asked to provide a service for an organization or individual client. Whether the services are coaching, DEI consulting, or educating, this value-laden work is typically undervalued. There is an expectation that folks in those fields are “good people” who will do the work for less money -- or even for free -- because they are doing it for the greater good. The people most often saddled with this expectation are women and people of color. The feelings of discomfort we have around discussing money matters can also be related to our socialization. Whether this is your socialization as a woman, a person of color, or the way that money was (not) discussed in your family or career field, overcoming our socialization around money and worth can be a difficult barrier to cross. Women are much more likely to undervalue their skill sets and charge less for their work. Lisa and Shaunna discuss how we can promote woman-to-woman allyship in the context of charging what we are worth for our work. We hope our listeners continue to remind each other as women, it is acceptable, even imperative, to ask for compensation that reflects all of the education, expertise, and experience we have. Sign up for the Feisty Team at feistyteam.com !

The Wealth Gap (Episode 22)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 09 Feb 2021 10:00:28 -0400

In September of 2020 over 860,000 women left the workforce in the United States. This number on its own is staggering, and this week on the show Shaunna and Lisa are drawing connections to how the disproportionate toll of the pandemic on women might come to affect their participation in endurance sport in the coming months and years. They explore the nuance of what it means to be a woman who participates in “frivolous” activities like triathlon or cycling, the historical marginalization of women in sport and in the workplace, and how this has led to a gap in wealth and economic power between men and women. Despite endurance sport rarely being a mandatory activity for any gender, women seem to be judged more harshly if they participate in activities for their personal enjoyment and well-being, especially if they have children...and even more so if it has a price tag attached. This episode will analyze the connections among the socioeconomic status of women, antiquated gender norms, disproportionate household responsibilities for women and the emotional labor on women who are dedicated to an endurance sport lifestyle.

Environmental Racism with Heather McTeer Toney (Episode 21)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 02 Feb 2021 10:00:37 -0400

This week on the podcast Shaunna and Lisa are joined by special guest Heather McTeer Toney. Heather is a politician, attorney, triathlete and environmentalist. She served in President Barack Obama’s Environmental Protection Agency, and is helping us make the connection between diversity, inclusion and the environment in triathlon. Heather explains environmental justice, climate justice, and why these concepts should be important to us as endurance athletes. She reminds us just how connected we are to the natural world when we are participating in our sport, and why it is important for us to use our privilege as athletes to protect the environments that our sport connects us to. We have to approach these spaces and communities with the attitude that we will leave them better than we found them.

Shattering the Mold (Episode 20)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 26 Jan 2021 16:47:21 -0400

January 20, 2021 was a historic day for the United States; the world witnessed the swearing in of the first female Vice President in our country, Kamala Harris (pronounced ‘comma la’). This moment was historic, not only due to Vice President Harris’ gender, but also due to race, ethnicity, and other multiple identities. She is the first Black person and the first person of South Asian descent to hold this position. Naming and celebrating the many aspects of her identity are important as they reflect the complexity of who Vice President Harris is, the vast perspectives she holds, and all of the boundary-breaking identities she highlights. It allows us to move away from a narrative that centers whiteness and maleness as default identities, so that we can acknowledge the nuance that comes with holding intersecting identities. By de-centering whiteness and maleness as the default identities, we are making space to bring all identities into the center of our narrative. As women, we value the contributions of all women of all races, and celebrate the fullness of their identities that may not be described neatly -- to the discomfort of many! In a time when we are being encouraged to unify as a country, it can be difficult to acknowledge that someone can hold identities that are both the same and different from our own. As Shaunna and Lisa strive to keep the complexities of Vice President Harris at the forefront, they also explore concepts of “unity” and how the American experiment sometimes works against itself as it calls for unity, but more effectively works through principles of synergy

Anatomy of an Apology (Episode 19)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 19 Jan 2021 10:00:29 -0400

This week in the U.S., we celebrated Martin Luther King Day, an official holiday of service which strives to celebrate the Civil Rights leader’s life and legacy. This week, Shaunna and Lisa took a look at what it means to build an appropriate apology -- whether it is to one person, a group, or an entire race of individuals. What is the benefit of an apology? What occurs in the absence of an apology? We examined this concept, starting with a recent prolific article, “The Truth in Black and White: An Apology from the Kansas City Star”. The article directly acknowledged how Black Kansas Citians had been excluded overtly or covertly by its coverage. We also referred to a chapter in Former President Barack Obama’s recent book, “A Promised Land” where he, Angela Merkel, and Elie Wiesel toured concentration camps before Merkel again acknowledged the tragedies of Germany against Jews. Shaunna and Lisa discuss the lack of apology from the U.S. toward specific groups, the danger of skipping such essential step in the racial healing process, and we fear that endurance sport may be on a parallel path. In an Ohio State University study, Roy Lewicki found that there are 6 components to an apology, and the more of these elements you include, the more effective the apology becomes: An expression of regret. An explanation of what went wrong. Acknowledging the responsibility for what went wrong. Declaration of repentance. Offering to repair, and A request for forgiveness. Shaunna and Lisa deep dive into what the U.S. and endurance sport could look like the oppressed stopped apologizing for and an appropriate apology was offered by majority groups.

Forget Me Not (Episode 18)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 12 Jan 2021 10:00:27 -0400

This week’s episode will be our first conversation since the riots at the US Capitol. As much as we would love to think that 2021 will magically fare better than 2020, a strong American democracy, racial justice, and immunity from a global pandemic won’t happen overnight. Shaunna and Lisa suggest that we should NOT forget 2020, but instead learn as much as we can from it. A main premise of [un]phased is that we refuse to separate “real life” from triathlon -- all of it is “life”. Given this, world events affect the endurance sport community generally, but also specifically affect the athletics that constitute our sport. We want to remember all that occurred in 2020, with the assurance that the most accurate story is told from multiple perspectives in multiple ways. How will the history of 2016 - 2021 be taught in future history classes? How can we be the “ancestors” who pass down a fuller, more accurate story? How can we intentionally highlight voices that have been chronically excluded. Shaunna and Lisa attempt to help endurance sport tell a fuller story, forgetting nothing.

Chess (Episode 17)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 05 Jan 2021 10:00:24 -0400

Happy New Year! On our first episode of 2021, Shaunna and Lisa are discussing how we move from the abstract concepts to practical application when it comes to representation, diversity and inclusion in our endurance sport communities. Although it may be easy to identify areas where change needs to be made, implementing changes needs to be strategic. Like a game of chess, it requires us to plan and think many steps ahead so that we can make the right move at the right time, rather than trying to change everything all at once. Making these changes can be especially difficult when you are the first person to identify that they need to be made. Being a clarion voice can be like trying to start a game of chess with other folks who don’t know the rules of the game. In this regard, it can be strategic to recruit a “buddy” within your community to help build credibility with other folks and develop a multi-pronged plan. From there, you can start to build out other champions to your strategy that will join you in moving towards change (like these dancers in the crowd https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA8z7f7a2Pk ). Read "Women and Minorities Are Penalized for Promoting Diversity" at https://hbr.org/2016/03/women-and-minorities-are-penalized-for-promoting-diversity

REBROADCAST Dismantling the System (Episode 4)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 29 Dec 2020 10:00:04 -0400

This week’s episode is dedicated to the memory of one of our sheroes, the late Ruth Bader Ginsberg, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States who passed away on September 18, 2020. We govern our lives and activism by one of RBG's many profound quotes: "Real change, enduring change, happens one step at a time." We extend our sincerest condolences to RBG's family, friends, and supporters. In episode four, Shaunna and Lisa discuss the differences between dismantling and demolishing systemic “isms”. Sometimes it’s hard to know if you should demolish a broken system or dismantle it brick by brick. Different situations call for different approaches. Shaunna and Lisa discuss what it means to dismantle instead of demolish, what systemic racism really means and how you can use questioning as a form of micro-allyship. Important points: What is systemic racism? Beliefs baked into a system favoring and elevating one group (white people) over another (BIPOC). Systemic racism exists if you have to change the system to eliminate racist policies (e.g. a law that supports a company’s ability to destroy sacred indigenous caves) How easy it is to rationalize away systemic problems. For example, accepting something because “it’s always been that way” is really just systemic bias. What is micro-allyship? The small things you do to call out oppression, rather than calling out people. Asking probing questions, inviting someone to notice their own bias, and calling someone in starts the process of dismantling “isms”. How can we continue to interrupt oppressive behavior and what do those interruptions look like over time? Listen to the end to get action items to take into your life this week!

REBROADCAST Nice White Triathletes (Episode 2)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 22 Dec 2020 10:00:18 -0400

Today we are tackling the phenomenon of Nice White Triathletes. While these individuals may be well-intended, Shaunna and Lisa explain why just being “nice” is not enough to disrupt systemic racism in endurance sport, and in society as a whole. Niceness does not exempt us from dismantling racism. We learn how we can start to acknowledge racism, so we can see it as more than just white sheets, slurs, and bad behaviour. The fight for inclusion needs more than just nice people; it needs disruptors and loud voices standing up. As the late U.S. Rep. John Lewis said, Shaunna and Lisa encourage triathletes and endurance athletes to get into “good trouble, necessary trouble” in order to move toward meaningful change.

White Hot (Episode 16)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 15 Dec 2020 10:00:30 -0400

This week on [un]phased, Shaunna and Lisa are breaking down the term “reverse racism.” It’s a term used to describe when white people feel they have been discriminated against based on their racial identity. But in actuality, the term is used strategically by white people as a tool to stop Black, Indigenous, people of color (BIPOC) from equitable access to opportunities taken for granted by white people. We take a deep dive into how dominant cultures use language and behaviours, knowingly and unknowingly, to remain dominant in their social and political context. Affirmative action seeks to push an inherently imbalanced system towards balance and equity. However, some folks who have been historically advantaged by the system believe it is already balanced because they are unable or unwilling to see the inequity. People in this position often feel like programs attempting to redress the imbalance are taking something away from them and giving more to another person or group of people. Responses to affirmative action or similar programs, and calls of “reverse racism” can often lead to what Sun Yung Shin has coined White flammability. This can be described as the ignition of a defensive response when whiteness is challenged -- it is an ember that’s constantly simmering. A small spark can cause the flames to burst up. This flammability can quickly cause a forest fire. However, if we can turn these fires into a controlled burn, they can be used to limit the power of denial when addressing white privilege. To take it further, the flames can be used to burn off feelings of defensiveness, eventually burning down a historical caste system that has constantly ranked and privileged some over others. More on white flammability and “Reverse Racism” White Fragility: https://medium.com/afrosapiophile/its-not-white-fragility-it-s-white-flammability-1b1b5f520e1c The Myth of Reverse Racism  https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/08/myth-of-reverse-racism/535689/  Reverse Racism, or How the Pot Got to Call the Kettle Black https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1993/11/reverse-racism-or-how-the-pot-got-to-call-the-kettle-black/304638/

Challenges (Episode 15)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 08 Dec 2020 10:00:35 -0400

On this week’s episode of [un]phased, Shaunna and Lisa are examining the challenges that come along with hosting a race or large event during a global pandemic. On December 5th and 6th, the Professional Triathlete’s Organization (PTO), in partnership with Challenge Daytona, hosted the 2020 PTO Championships in Daytona, FL. Shaunna and Lisa dive into the ethical implications hosting this event present, and what may be left behind in its wake. For some, this race presented an opportunity to get back to “normal” life and have the chance to get out on the race course again, something we are all looking forward to. However, the influx of predominantly white, affluent athletes to Daytona to participate in or watch the race places the most vulnerable workers in Daytona at risk. People who work in the service industry and other essential workers - predominantly folks of color and low income people with limited access to healthcare or paid time off - may pay a hefty price for a triathete’s choice to race. During these uncertain times, it is important we consider the community impact our individual choices may have. The COVID-19 pandemic has given us a chance to examine our privilege in this way, and to recognize our choices affect more than just us.

Transform Your Tri Club with Lisa Steptoe (Episode 14)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 01 Dec 2020 10:00:32 -0400

This week on [un]phased Lisa and Shaunna are joined by guest and friend Lisa Steptoe, incoming president for the Mid-Maryland Tri Club. In her many years as a member of the Mid-Maryland Tri Club, Lisa Steptoe has worked hard to build it into a place where anyone and everyone feels that they are welcomed and accepted. We dive deep into what it looks like to build an inclusive multisport club from the ground up. Lisa Steptoe explains that it’s important to have empathy when it comes to how we include folks in endurance sport; whether they run 12 or 5 minute miles, there shouldn’t be a limit or pace clock that determines whether a person is welcome in the sport. Everyone has their own reasons for participating, and we have to respect that and welcome them. She also reiterates the importance of language when it comes to organizing and communicating about group events. Using terms like “no drop ride” let’s everyone know that they will have a place in your club. Lisa Steptoe has over 25 years of management, operational, marketing and sales experience in the military and healthcare sectors. She is the founding investor for Warrior Centric Health, Inc. She became a multisport athlete in 2010 with her first triathlon at Nation’s Tri in DC on a borrowed mountain bike. In 2017, at the same race, she placed 1st in the Masters Athena Division securing an entry to the iconic Escape from Alcatraz race. She successfully Escaped in 2018. In the 10 years of her multisport lifestyle, she has raced in over 30 Duathlons, Triathlons and Aquabikes achieving the podium 4x. She has been on the Mid-Maryland Triathlon Club’s Board of Directors for 6 years serving as Communication Chair & Vice-President and is now President-elect for 2021. Lisa will be going for her 1st Ironman in 2021 at IMMD. Lisa is a 1987 graduate of the United States Military Academy; married 33 years to Ronald Steptoe, CEO of Warrior Centric Health, Inc; has 3 children and 3 grandchildren. Follow Lisa on Instagram @thetraveldiva87 Send in your questions, comments, or micro-allyship journey to info@unphasedpodcast.com

Resistance to Change (Episode 13)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 24 Nov 2020 10:00:32 -0400

On [un]phased this week Shaunna and Lisa examine resistance; resistance to change, to acknowledging privilege, and to uncomfortable conversations. They encourage us to engage in personal reflection and examine where our resistance may be coming from, particularly when it relates to recognizing our privileged identities. It is through introspection we can start to understand how our own resistance ultimately upholds larger systems of oppression that continue to marginalize people of color, women, disabled people and others in endurance sport. This self-examination can be difficult, but it is necessary. Often, there is a connection between resistance to change and a perceived loss of power. This power may be overt (like a leadership position) or it could be less obvious (like seeing yourself routinely represented in triathlon media). Whether the power experienced is explicit or implicit, named or unnamed, it comes from an underlying sense of entitlement, such as a spot on a start line or the top step on the podium at our local race. However, as conditioned as we may be as endurance athletes to think in terms of “winning” and “losing”, we cannot think of DEI concepts in this same way. We have to look deeper and ask: who is always winning? Who is always losing? Who is holding the most space, and what would it look like if space and exposure were more equitably distributed? Creating space for more folks to participate in endurance sport does not take away opportunities from those who already have them; instead, it allows broader participation and expands who feels welcome. As participants in the endurance sport space, we have to get comfortable leaning into the “headwinds” of these conversations. In particular we have to get comfortable with why we feel the sting of resistance when we are asked to share power, space, and access. Once you understand why you feel resistance to change, you can overcome it, move past it, and start to understand the small and big ways change is needed.

Run Me My Data (Episode 12)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 17 Nov 2020 10:00:31 -0400

This week on [un]phased, Shaunna and Lisa break down the data. More specifically, why it is important to collect data and to view data with a critical eye? Many endurance sport organizations collect information about who is participating in their events and the experiences they may have had. But what is often overlooked is who is not represented in this data. As Shaunna reminds us, we have to pay attention to the “asterisks” at the bottom of the page, the “less than one percent” groups and ask ourselves: what folks are we missing? Whose experiences aren’t we gathering? In doing so, we create an opportunity to more deeply understand the gaps and strategize ways to include underrepresented groups in endurance sport. It is also important to understand that data collection cannot be done with a “one and done” mindset; it is a cyclical process of continuous evaluation. For organizations in our sport, this is an important practice to continuously implement both internally and externally. It will ensure growth and the meaningful evolution of all areas of your business. In other words, any leader in endurance sport should run the data as often as possible to make smart, inclusive, and enduring decisions. Our micro-allyship challenge to our listeners this week is to run the numbers. Question the numbers. Look at data with a critical eye, examine who is being represented, and more importantly, who is not. Send in your questions, comments, or micro-allyship journey to info@unphasedpodcast.com.

Spaghetti (Episode 11)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 10 Nov 2020 10:00:38 -0400

Following the deaths of Ahmaud Arbery, Breonna Taylor and George Floyd earlier this year, companies and organizations across the world came out with statements expressing their solidarity with the Black Lives Matter movement. The silence of those who chose not to speak out against racism echoed loudly through society. However, for some of the companies, dipping their toes in social responsibility through their solidarity statements appeared rushed, frantic, and poorly planned - like throwing spaghetti at the wall and hoping some of it sticks. As Lisa and Shaunna discussed in our first episode, DEI work must be done with a phased approach; built both from the ground up and from the top down to facilitate actual change within an organization. This is not work that can be done by haphazardly forming diversity committees as “window dressing” to show that an organization is trying to do something. It is imperative that inclusivity and cultural change are embedded into an organization’s values and baked into its long-term strategic plan. It cannot just be an add-on or afterthought. As members of these organizations, and of endurance sport more broadly, we have to be visionaries who can “think down the street and around the corner” to anticipate changes and growth. In our episode this week Shaunna and Lisa challenge us as endurance athletes to ask ourselves: What does it mean to be a socially responsible endurance sports company? They remind us that it will take time to work toward these answers, but it is imperative we do this work to make our sport a safer and more inclusive space. We also have a voicemail from a listener this week! If you have questions, comments, or voicemails send them to info@unphasedpodcast.

The After-mess (Episode 10)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 03 Nov 2020 10:00:34 -0400

Globally, it’s been a long year -- racial unrest, a seemingly uncontrollable pandemic, and even historic weather events. But for many Americans, it’s been a long four years. Running up to the finish line of the U.S. Presidential Election may feel exhausting, but it literally is just one phase of the long journey to personal, professional, financial, and political healing. The next phase is the aftermath -- or what we have labeled, “The After-mess”. The clean up may get worse before it gets better given the challenges of the election itself and beyond. Lawsuits will be filed for voter suppressions or recounts. Families, friends, and loved ones will need to determine if and how they can possibly heal family relationships. Some people are quickly sliding down a slippery financial slope due to a myriad of reasons. We are neck-deep in a mess that we must address as an entire country. As endurance athletes, it’s going to be tough to go on that ride with a buddy who -- given their political leanings -- now make you wonder whether your life truly matters. It may be frustrating to know that you are not in fact seen with your differences, but tolerated and treated with no consideration of how you add to the experience with your many identities. It is at this very time that we need to be sure that fellow athletes have each other’s backs. Yet, for anyone who has attempted to separate and compartmentalize identity differences from the endurance sport experience with a “Just shut up and race attitude”, this may be a necessarily uncomfortable time for you. This episode will challenge you to consider how you want to engage with anyone and everyone -- especially your fellow athletes. Are you making conscious choices of how/if you want to engage with someone? Consider if it’s worth the energy. How invested are you in your relationship with that person? Consider your own mental health and safety. How might you be creating work for yourself? Taking the time to explain your experience if you are an oppressed person takes emotional labour. Some other helpful resources: https://www.ttsdschools.org/site/handlers/filedownload.ashx?moduleinstanceid=16190&dataid=25559&FileName=Racial%20Battle%20Fatigue%20-%20Handout.pdf https://www.npr.org/2020/11/01/929856421/after-a-bitter-election-can-americans-find-a-way-to-heal-their-divides https://www.centredaily.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/article246833127.html SIGN UP at www.outspokensummit.com/awards to attend the Outspoken Women in Triathlon virtual awards ceremony on Sunday November 15th at 4pm PST.

Ableism & Accessibility in Sport with Susan Lacke (Episode 9)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 27 Oct 2020 08:00:16 -0400

This week on [un]phased, Shaunna and Lisa are joined by author, professor, and endurance athlete Dr. Susan Lacke. Susan is a much-loved contributor to numerous endurance sport platforms including Triathlete, Women’s Running, and Outside magazines. Susan is also deaf, and is a fierce advocate for accessibility in sport. In this episode, Susan, Shaunna and Lisa discuss ableism in endurance sport, and how our societies have created the perception able-bodied people are “normal.” In the sporting world, most events are created with only the able-bodied athlete in mind, but as Susan explains, we have to start redefining our perception of what an athlete looks, sounds, or acts like. Athletes come in all shapes, sizes, and levels of physical and cognitive ability. Accessibility for all should be embedded in the design of every sporting event or race. However, as Susan explains, this is far from the current reality in endurance sport. As the Social Model of Disability explains, it is actually the environment a person is in that disables them, not the different abilities they have. As organizers and advocates in the endurance sport space, we must start to dismantle the system that has disadvantaged athletes who do not fit the preconceived idea of a “normal” athlete. We must also examine how we can rebuild the endurance sport ecosystem with accessibility and universal design as central frameworks. Follow Susan’s running adventures on Instagram @placesmyruntakesme Buy Susan’s books Running Outside the Comfort Zone and Life’s Too Short To Go So F*cking Slow on her website at www.susanlacke.com, and find some of her additional work here: Triathlete Magazine: https://www.triathlete.com/culture/how-to-make-triathlon-more-accessible-for-athletes-with-disabilities/ SUCCESS Magazine: https://www.success.com/being-deaf-doesnt-define-me/ NBC Think: https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/keeping-people-safe-covid-19-limits-deaf-people-s-access-ncna1207371 Email us at info@unphasedpodcast.com with your questions or to let us know how your micro allyship journey is going. Some other helpful resources on Accessibility in Sport: https://www.ted.com/talks/stella_young_i_m_not_your_inspiration_thank_you_very_much https://rewirenewsgroup.com/article/2016/09/14/say-disabled-person-instead-person-disabilities/ https://thebodyisnotanapology.com/magazine/i-am-disabled-on-identity-first-versus-people-first-language/ https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2018/9/20/17791354/products-people-disabilities-sock-slider-banana-slicer-lazy

The Spin (Episode 8)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 20 Oct 2020 09:00:34 -0400

This week on [un]phased Shaunna and Lisa are breaking down communication as it relates to identities, intent, and impact. They also discuss how communication can be used to spin a message and reframe how it is perceived. They dive in by unpacking the October 6th U.S. vice-presidential debate between Senator Kamala Harris and Vice President Mike Pence, including the ways in which Senator Harris’ and Vice President Pence’s identities have influenced how they craft their styles of communication as politicians. Privilege is evident in our communication. Shaunna and Lisa suggest that we usually frame a situation or behaviour based on our positionality. We have seen this play out in our sporting life as organizations respond to the greater push towards inclusion and equity in sport. Shaunna and Lisa explain it is important to recognize the effect of our communications, what we are trying to convey, and more importantly -- how the message might be received by the intended audience. Communication about diversity, equity and inclusion is symbolic, yet it also indicates the value we place on these topics. Shaunna & Lisa encourage us to think about our own communication -- both in word and deed -- by paying attention to inclusivity, which can be woven into the fabric of all organizations, including endurance sports. Our micro allyship challenge for this week is to think about how we can communicate with inclusive intent, and how this communication is received by others. Email us at info@unphasedpodcast.com with your questions or to let us know how your micro allyship journey is going.

"P" is for Privilege (Episode 7)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 13 Oct 2020 09:00:34 -0400

This week on [un]phased, Shaunna and Lisa open our eyes to privilege. Privilege exists in many forms, but it is invisible to those who have it. The insidious nature of privilege is a result of systems built by people who wish to maintain power for specific groups. Thus, those systems do not support the needs of all, benefitting some and not others. Privilege is also contextual; our intersecting identities may grant us privilege in some circumstances, and take it away in others. Acknowledging the ways in which we have identity privilege in our lives is not easy. It requires introspection, and the ability to sit in the discomfort of realizing where our privileges lie. But in doing so, we can start to create spaces with those who experience marginalization as a result of the privileges each of us holds. With a little humility, we can pull the proverbial curtain back and name the power at play. Find the “Equality vs Equity” cycling infographic at https://fullframeinitiative.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/RWJF_bikes_equality_equity_PURPLE.jpg

What's In A Title? with guest Colonel Yvonne Spencer(Episode 6)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 06 Oct 2020 09:00:17 -0400

This week on [un]phased Shaunna and Lisa are joined by a very special guest, Colonel Yvonne Spencer. Colonel Spencer is the first ever African American woman commander of the 819th Red Horse Squadron of the United States Air Force. She is also a multi-time Ironman finisher, triathlon coach, and founder of the Fast Chix Triathlon Club. Together with Colonel Spencer, Shaunna and Lisa discuss the importance of addressing a person by their proper name and title -- until they give permission otherwise. Calling a person by their proper name and title is important; it shows respect and acknowledges them for who they are and what they have achieved. Conversely, choosing not to use someone’s title is disrespectful, especially when you don’t know the person. The intentional dropping of a person’s title is often used as a tool of oppression. It is a method by which those with power attempt to put someone (back) in their (perceived) place. Shaunna, Lisa, and Colonel Spencer also talk about the importance of representation, and why it matters in both leadership and sport. If we never see anyone who looks like us participating in activities we are curious about, we may never realise those activities are achievable and accessible to us. Colonel Spencer highlights why having diversity in leadership positions, or “fresh eyes” as they say in the Air Force, is important to allow for greater representation of all groups in the places where decisions are made. Shaunna and Lisa also give us an update on their micro-allyship challenge from last week. Send in your questions, comments, or micro-allyship examples to info@unphasedpodcast.com

Ignorance Is[n't] Bliss (Episode 5)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 29 Sep 2020 09:00:24 -0400

This week on [un]phased, Shaunna and Lisa are asking listeners to choose to see the unpleasant truth -- that systemic racism and injustice exist in our society, whether you feel it or not. When we think about systemic racism in the United States, an analogy that comes to mind is from the movie The Matrix. In the movie, Morpheus offered Neo the choice between the red pill or the blue pill. The red pill revealed the unpleasant truth, while the blue pill would allow Neo to remain in blissful ignorance of the control the Matrix has over his life. Shaunna contends that there have been many red pills offered to White people throughout U.S. history. One of the most recent was the filmed murder of George Floyd at the hands of police officers in Minneapolis, Minnesota. As a captive audience during a world pandemic, many White people began to wake up to some unpleasant truths. Given the difficulty of talking about racism, antiracism, and systemic disenfranchisement, Shaunna fears that some White people may mimic her youngest son Kendrick and climb right back into bed, even after a long slumber. Ignorance is bliss and ignorance is easy. But, once our eyes have been opened, there’s no way to “unsee” racial injustice. Lisa suggests that turning one’s head is complicit behavior. If we decide to go back to sleep, we have now turned a corner to willful ignorance, which is treacherous at best. Ignoring racism, sexism, ableism and other oppressive systems is certainly easier for those who have privileged social identities, but it makes us complicit in the marginalization and discrimination of others. Is complicity really a better option than facing the realities and pain of racism and other isms in our society? Shaunna and Lisa argue that it isn’t.

Dismantling the System (Episode 4)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 22 Sep 2020 09:00:28 -0400

This week’s episode is dedicated to the memory of one of our sheroes, the late Ruth Bader Ginsberg, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States who passed away on September 18, 2020. We govern our lives and activism by one of RBG's many profound quotes: "Real change, enduring change, happens one step at a time." We extend our sincerest condolences to RBG's family, friends, and supporters. In episode four, Shaunna and Lisa discuss the differences between dismantling and demolishing systemic “isms”. Sometimes it’s hard to know if you should demolish a broken system or dismantle it brick by brick. Different situations call for different approaches. Shaunna and Lisa discuss what it means to dismantle instead of demolish, what systemic racism really means and how you can use questioning as a form of micro-allyship. Important points: - What is systemic racism? Beliefs baked into a system favoring and elevating one group (white people) over another (BIPOC). - Systemic racism exists if you have to change the system to eliminate racist policies (e.g. a law that supports a company’s ability to destroy sacred indigenous caves) - How easy it is to rationalize away systemic problems. For example, accepting something because “it’s always been that way” is really just systemic bias. - What is micro-allyship? The small things you do to call out oppression, rather than calling out people. Asking probing questions, inviting someone to notice their own bias, and calling someone in starts the process of dismantling “isms”. - How can we continue to interrupt oppressive behavior and what do those interruptions look like over time? - Listen to the end to get action items to take into your life this week!

Taking Up Space (Episode 3)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 15 Sep 2020 09:00:28 -0400

This week on the show Shaunna and Lisa discuss what it means to take up (too much) space. This is particularly important for folks with privileged identities to think about as they can, and often do, take up too much of it in places they don’t belong. This conversation comes in the wake of a George Washington University white associate professor’s disclosure in a Medium article she portrayed herself as an Afro-Caribbean woman (and North African, and Afro-Latinx, among others) for her entire career. By assuming this false identity, she took up space in a place where she should not have, and took away from the experiences of those who actually do belong in the black community. It was an act of white violence and betrayal. Shaunna and Lisa discuss the violence of her actions and the pain that remains. Although they may be less overt, we can face similar situations in our friend groups or triathlon clubs where a person with a privileged social identity is causing harm. In these situations, it is important we center the feelings and perspectives of those who have been hurt by these actions and collectively turn our backs to the people who are taking up too much space. In doing so, we can stand for the collective values of a group that does not tolerate oppression or violence, and work to keep those causing harm from dominating the narrative. Read more about the reaction to this deception at: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-layered-deceptions-of-jessica-krug-the-black-studies-professor-who-hid-that-she-is-white https://history.columbian.gwu.edu/our-statement-jessica-krug?fbclid=IwAR0FHdCrRdSdoNW79ZLMlerGa0h-icb7_fL35eRNw9iggxRuo1mn6WOEYi4

Nice White Triathletes (Episode 2)

[un]phased podcast — Tue, 08 Sep 2020 09:00:09 -0400

Trying to Stay Upright (Episode 1)

[un]phased podcast — Sun, 06 Sep 2020 01:23:22 -0400

Welcome to [un]PHASED, an unabashed podcast designed to help you grapple with the reality of racism, sexism, ableism and many other hard-to-discuss issues affecting endurance sports, triathlon, and our lives. This is our inaugural episode in which our hosts Dr. Shaunna Payne Gold & Dr. Lisa Ingarfield speak to a live audience about staying upright in the face of resistance to change, and how jumping in at the deep end may not be the best approach to learning. We need a phased approach. But we also must be unfazed in our approach to facing these challenging issues. Shaunna and Lisa explain why it is important to start from the bottom to gain the proper language and understanding of the historical context of racism in our society before we can tackle the big issues. We are all swimming in the metaphorical “river” of a system that was built to benefit some and marginalize others, and it is time to start naming this system, so we can resist it.

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Stay Tuned (Episode 115)

**REBROADCAST** Perfectionism

** REBROADCAST ** Energy Vampires

** REBROADCAST ** DEI, Antiracism, or both?

Goal Setting with Zsa-Zsa Porter (Episode 114)

Considerations for 2023 (Episode 113)

Donating Thoughtfully (Episode 112)

The Problem with Persuasion (Episode 111)

The 2022 Outspoken Summit Recap (Episode 110)

ESG & DEI (Episode 109)

Disruptors (Episode 108)

Mental Health and Wellbeing (Episode 107)

Over-Whitening Underfueling (Episode 106)

Toxic Masculinity in Sport (Episode 105)

Triathlonish with Kelly O'Mara (Episode 104)

Perfectionism (Episode 103)

The Inclusion Critic (Episode 102)

The Queen (Episode 101)

Offended: Choice or Condition? (Episode 100)

A Year of Entrepreneurship (Episode 99)

Fiction Narratives (Episode 98)

Dismantling Idioms Part Two (Episode 97)

Dismantling Idioms (Episode 96)

Getting the Right Fit with Kim Dallara (Episode 95)

Impossible Standards (Episode 94)

IX: Turning up the Volume with Joan Cronan

IX: Changing the Game with Wendy Mink

180 Degrees (Episode 93)

Replay: The Sport Justice Movement with Dr. Shaun Anderson (Episode 93)

Recession Proofing (Episode 92)

The Tampon Thread (Episode 91)

Trust (Episode 90)

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A Nudge Into Discomfort (Episode 89)

Breaking the Hamster Wheel (Episode 88)

The Burrito (Episode 87)

Learn To Unlearn (Episode 86)

The Leak (Episode 85)

Medical Gaslighting (Episode 84)

G[Local] DEI

Second Hand Oppression (Episode 82)

Heat of the Night (Episode 81)

Stale Language (Episode 80)

Employee Blaming (Episode 79)

Confidence Porn (Episode 78)

? Of The Year (Episode 77)

Mid Life Crisis (?) (episode 78)

Initiated From the Top (Episode 75)

Look in the Mirror (Episode 74)

Own Your Roots (Episode 73)

A Conversation on Censorship (Episode 72)

Life Needs to Participate with Malika Clinkscales (Episode 71)

DEI, Antiracism or Both? (Episode 70)

Shame Storm (Episode 69)

Superwoman (Episode 68)

Resolutions(?) (Episode 67)

*REBROADCAST* Be an Ally with Megan & Saxton Tobin (Episode 40)

*REBROADCAST* Energy Vampires (Episode 37)

Wind Assisted (Episode 66)

Ally vs Savior (Episode 65)

Race: Continuing the Conversation (Episode 64)

Let’s Talk About Race (Episode 63)

Back in the Blocks: 2021 Outspoken Summit Recap(Episode 62)

You Can Run, But You Can’t Hide (Episode 61)

Frankenstein DEI (Episode 60)

Think About How You Hire(archy) (Episode 59)

Who’s Telling the Story? (Episode 58)

Unchecked Harassment (Episode 57)

Tripping Into Equity (Episode 56)

Conscious Consuming (Episode 55)

Separate but [un]equal? (episode 54)

A Long Way to Go featuring Rachel Joyce (Episode 53)

Staying Power (Episode 52)

Imposter Syndrome (Episode 51)

The Chicken or the Egg? (Episode 50)

The Audience (Episode 49)

Burn It Down (Episode 48)

REBROADCAST Perfectionism

REBROADCAST Energy Vampires

REBROADCAST DEI, Antiracism, or both?

REBROADCAST Be an Ally with Megan & Saxton Tobin (Episode 40)

REBROADCAST Energy Vampires (Episode 37)

REBROADCAST Dismantling the System (Episode 4)

REBROADCAST Nice White Triathletes (Episode 2)