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163: How A Relational Vision of Church Can Revolutionize our Faith Communities. Guest: Toni Daniels

Tue, 19 May 2026 05:00:00 -0400

In this conversation Toni Daniels from the Luke 10 ministry joins Amy to talk about a what she believes is the best way to approach building faith communities.

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In this episode we talk about:

Toni's ministry Luke 10.
How salvation is the ultimate expression of secure attachment.
How Jesus modeled a discipleship that wasn't about pointing out errors and correcting his disciples.
How the CEO Business model has failed faith communities.
The power of simply enjoying people.

Featured Guest

Toni Daniels

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162: The Sacredness of Ordinary Connection with Matt Mattson

Tue, 12 May 2026 05:00:00 -0400

In this conversation, author Matt Mattson talks with Amy Fritz about the sacredness of ordinary connection in our everyday lives.

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In this episode we talk about:

The story behind Matt's new book Cathredrals of Connection
The power of everyday encounters
How to find connection even when you're not an extrovert
First Watch and The West Wing
Our need for both the institutional church and more nontraditional spaces for connection

Featured Guest

Matt Mattson

Resources mentioned

Cathedrals of Connection- The latest book by Shannan Martin
Matt's website - Connect, learn more about his work

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161: Escaping The High Control World of the Duggars and the IFB Church

Tue, 21 Apr 2026 05:00:00 -0400

About 10 years ago, the news came out that Joshua Duggar had abused two of his sisters. And then just a few years ago, Josh was arrested and convicted of possessing and distributing CSAM.

Fast forward to last month. Josh Duggar's younger brother, Joseph, was arrested on suspicion of molestation.

The pattern is horrifying.

In today's episode, Amy Fritz shares a conversation she had with Ryan George. Ryan escaped the Independant Fundamentalist Baptist (IFB) church world that's adjacent to the circles the Duggars are in. He shares how he got out and how he had to reckon with reports that his own father was an abuser.

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Featured Guest

Ryan George

Resources mentioned

Hurt and Healed by the Church - Ryan's book

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160: Expanding The Abortion Conversation Beyond Life Versus Choice. Guest: Angela Weszely

Tue, 14 Apr 2026 05:00:00 -0400

In this conversation, Angela Weszely talks about expanding the abortion conversation beyond life versus choice and why many Christians are feeling uncomfortable with the current discourse. This episode explores some better ways to approach this topic and what we might be missing.

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In this episode we talk about:

Taking off our team jerseys
Measure success as becoming more like Jesus
John 8 and the way it's been misrepresented
What about truth?
Why no one is coming to the church when they need help
Letting go of shame

Featured Guest

Angela Weszely

Resources mentioned

Becoming ProGrace - Angela's book
About the ProGrace organization

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159 Politics for the Politically Homeless. Guest: Lauren Pinkston

Tue, 07 Apr 2026 05:00:00 -0400

Independent candidate for governor in Tennessee, Lauren Pinkston joins Amy Fritz for a conversation about faith and politics and hope for those who feel politically homeless.

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Featured Guest

Dr. Lauren Pinkston
Website: Lauren Pinkston for Tennessee Governor
Lauren's bio: Lauren Pinkston is a wife, mother of four, and seventh-generation Tennessean running for Governor to restore integrity, accountability, and common sense to state government. Rooted in rural Tennessee and shaped by global experience, she has built a career advancing opportunity by supporting human trafficking survivors, strengthening the workforce, and leading mission-driven organizations. Lauren is running to put Tennesseans first by improving education, supporting working families, and ensuring government serves people, not politics. She believes Tennessee's best days are ahead when leaders listen, lead with courage, and deliver real results.
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158: Bible Truth About Women. Guest: Lydia Kaiser

Tue, 31 Mar 2026 05:00:00 -0400

Lydia Kaiser joins Amy Fritz for a conversation on what the Bible says about women.

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In this episode we talk about:

Lydia's new book, Bible Truth About Women: What They Don't Tell You.
Titles v. Roles in Scripture
How different Bible transitions change over the years
Women in the New Testament
Misconceptions about what Scripture says about women

Featured Guest

Lydia Kaiser
Website: https://LydiaKaiser.com Facebook.com/LydiaGraceKaiser/ Email: LydiaKaiserBook@gmail.com

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157: What To Do When the World Feels Heavy. Guest: Shannan Martin

Tue, 17 Mar 2026 05:00:00 -0400

In this conversation, Shannan Martin shares her framework of "counterweights" for balancing life's heaviness. This episode explores how balancing the hard things with intentional moments of joy can get us through.

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In this episode we talk about:

The story behind Shannon Martin's new book, Counterweights: An Essential Practice for Holding Hope in a Heavy World
Practical ways to identify and gather counterweights in daily life
The importance of authenticity in community and faith spaces
Walking through a church community rupture
The role of community in recovering from loss and betrayal
Taco Bell and kids going to college

Featured Guest

Shannan Martin

Resources mentioned

Counterweights: An Essential Practice for Holding Hope in a Heavy World - The latest book by Shannan Martin
Shannan Martin on Instagram - Daily reflections and updates
Shannan Martin's Substack - Weekly insights on faith and emotional health
Shannan's Website - Connect, learn more about her work

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Processing ICE Actions in Minnesota as a Person of Faith. Guest: Kristina Kallman

Tue, 10 Mar 2026 05:00:00 -0400

Join Amy and Kristina as they explore the complexities of immigration, community engagement, and faith in Minnesota. This candid conversation highlights personal stories, systemic issues, and the importance of nuanced dialogue in today's polarized climate.

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We're talking about: Minnesota's Immigration Landscape Navigating Political Conversations The Impact of Community and Group Think The Dangers of Silence in Abusive Situations Power Dynamics and Accountability Current State of ICE in Minnesota Engaging in Difficult Conversations in Faith Communities

Featured Guest

Kristina Kallman

Resources mentioned

God's Heart For Minnesota https://youtu.be/O7jisPfjDaY?si=JT0Sn2f8oHNNcpjA
Kristina Kallman's previous podcast appearance. 86: (Part 1) Shiny Happy People: The Impact of IBLP and Bill Got…

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155: How To Love Your Immigrant Neighbor. Guest: Aaron Armstrong

Tue, 03 Mar 2026 06:00:00 -0400

Aaron Armstrong joins Amy Fritzfor a candid conversation about immigration.

What's the immigration process look like? How can our Christian faith inform how we engage with the topic of immigration?

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In this episode

Aaron Armstrong shares his story of being an immigrant.
Some misconceptions about documented and undocumented individuals and how they impact our communities
How our Christian faith informs how we engage with this topic.

Featured Guest

Aaron Armstrong, Aaron Armstrong: Author, Speaker, Canadian

Previous Episode with Aaron:

140: Navigating Awkward Church Transitions and Avoiding Accident…

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154: Navigating Burnout in Ministry. Guest: Matt Alexander, Kineo Center

Tue, 17 Feb 2026 06:00:00 -0400

In this conversation, Amy Fritz and Matt Alexander discuss the mission of the Kineo Center, which provides resources and support for pastors experiencing burnout. They explore the complexities of burnout, including its causes and the importance of preventative care. Matt shares personal experiences with burnout and highlights the significance of community support and healthy leadership in ministry. The discussion also touches on the need for sabbaticals and the journey of renewal for pastors, emphasizing the importance of self-care and discernment in leadership roles.

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Some topics covered:

Introduction to Kineo Center and Its Mission Personal Experiences with Burnout in Ministry The Spectrum of Burnout and Support Needs Causes of Burnout in Ministry Four Key Components of Burnout The Role of Expectations in Burnout Navigating Vocational Disappointment The Importance of Sabbaticals Loneliness and Relational Injuries in Ministry Supporting Pastors: Practical Strategies Authenticity in Healing and Accountability

Featured Guest

Matt Alexander, Director of Kineo Center

Resources mentioned

Kineo Center The KINEO Center | Renew the Soul of Your Leadership Today

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153: The Psychology of Deception and Blindness. Guest: Dr. Alan Godwin

Tue, 10 Feb 2026 06:00:00 -0400

In this conversation, Dr. Alan Godwin discusses his book 'Ties That Blind,' exploring the themes of individual and collective deception, cognitive dissonance, and the importance of attachment and identity in relationships. He shares personal experiences and insights from his practice as a psychologist, emphasizing the need for humility and compassion in understanding the complexities of human behavior and belief systems. The discussion also touches on the role of the church in fostering community and justice, and the challenges of navigating relationships with differing beliefs.

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Topics:

Introduction to Ties That Blind Understanding Blindness in Relationships The Shift from Individual to Collective Deception The Role of Attachment and Identity Navigating Painful Realizations Cognitive Dissonance Explained The Power of Cognitive Dissonance Five Reasonabilities for Healthy Relationships The Church's Role in Community and Justice

Featured Guest

Dr. Alan Godwin

Resources mentioned

The Ties The Blind https://amzn.to/4tswxk4
The Barn https://amzn.to/4a7qwll

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152: Old Hymns and Forgotten Pathways to an Authentic Faith. Guest: Andrew Osenga

Tue, 03 Feb 2026 06:00:00 -0400

Musician and author, Andrew Osenga, joins Amy to talk about the forgotten pathways to an authentic faith, his work with developing artists, and the Anchor Hymns project.

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In this episode, we talk about

Amy meeting Andrew
Andrew's work in finding and developing new artists
Sara Groves and Joel Hanson, both musicians from Minnesota
Which Hymns are timeless and why
Faith and doubt as companions
Fighting cynicism

Featured Guest

Andrew Osenga

Resources mentioned

How to Remember: Forgotten Pathways to an Authentic Faith https://amzn.to/3MlYNEm
Andrew's Substack (2) Andrew Osenga | Substack
Anchor Hymns Anchor Hymns

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151: Ramsey Solutions O'Connor Lawsuit Update

Tue, 27 Jan 2026 06:00:00 -0400

Melissa Hogan joins Amy Fritz to give an update on the O'Connor v. Lampo Group lawsuit.

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Featured Guest

Melissa Hogan, (2) Res Ipsa with Melissa J. Hogan | Substack

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150: Understanding Intimate Partner Betrayal, Guest: Tammy Gustafson

Tue, 20 Jan 2026 06:00:00 -0400

Therapist and author Tammy Gustafson joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to talk about intimate partner betrayal and healing. Whether you are a survivor of betrayal or want to be a good friend to someone who has walked through this, this is an important episode.

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In this episode we talk about

Phases of healing
Misconceptions of the Bible and revovering from betrayal
What "successful" healing looks like

Featured Guest

Tammy Gustafson

Resources mentioned

Faithful Counseling
The Life Saving Divorce https://amzn.to/3YPkn6Z
Tammy Gustafson Tammy Gustafson | Betrayal Healing
Betrayal healing conference Betrayal Healing Conference | Tammy Gustafson

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149: Reflecting on 2025 and Looking Forward to 2026

Tue, 13 Jan 2026 06:00:00 -0400

Podcast Host, Amy Fritz, reflects on 2025 with lessons learned, articles she's shared, favorite books and musicians, and some things she's thinking about for 2026

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In this episode we talk about:

Working on a memoir
Articles from 2025
Musicians I love
News stories I'm still thinking about

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148: Inside the Megachurch Machine: Abuse, Accountability, and Christian Nationalism with Scott Latta

Tue, 28 Oct 2025 15:49:00 -0400

Journalist and author Scott Latta joins Amy Fritz to discuss Scott's new book, Gods of the Smoke Machine: Power, Pain, and the Rise of Christian Nationalism in the Megachurch, sharing stories of power, accountability, and the changing landscape of American megachurches.

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In this episode we:

Explore why megachurches are growing even as overall church attendance in America declines.
Examine the evolution from traditional "big box" churches to franchise-style, multi-site megachurch models.
Discuss the impact of megachurch growth on small churches, including the cannibalization of congregations and properties.
Explore the profound loss experienced by members when megachurch scandals or abusive leaders come to light, and how that pain is multiplied by scale.
Hear firsthand stories from those harmed by toxic church systems and why amplifying survivor voices is critical.
Unpack the phenomenon of faux accountability and restoration processes for fallen pastors in megachurch networks.
Discuss Boz Tchividjian's insights on the legal landscape, the role of financial consequences in church accountability, and why civil litigation is sometimes the only path to justice.
Investigate how megachurches cultivate soft political power, their influence on Christian nationalism, and the increasing willingness of pastors to openly engage in politics.
Offer practical wisdom for those seeking healthy faith communities, what real accountability looks like, and how to rethink church engagement after disillusionment.

Featured Guest

Scott Latta Gods of the Smoke Machine | Scott Latta | Substack

Resources mentioned

Faithful Counseling BetterHelp - Get Started & Sign-Up Today
Scott Latta's Substack Gods of the Smoke Machine | Scott Latta | Substack
Scott Latta on Bluesky Scott Latta (@scottlatta.bsky.social) — Bluesky

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147: Finding Freedom Through Surrender: Mary DeMuth on Letting Go, Healing, and Joyful Faith

Tue, 14 Oct 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Author and speaker Mary DeMuth joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to talk about the practice of surrender, what it looks like in the midst of personal trials, and the story behind her newest devotional book, The Freedom of Surrender: 40 Devotions for a Joyful Life in Christ.

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In this episode we:

Hear the origin story behind Mary's newest book, including how she combined her writing and original art in a 40-day devotional on surrender.
Discuss what it means to surrender reputation, finances, relationships, aging, and even inner cynicism—and how Mary has personally wrestled with these themes.
Talk honestly about vulnerability, church hurt, and the ongoing journey of healing from trauma and moral injury.
Explore the tension between discernment and cynicism, especially when coming out of abusive faith communities.
Share practical encouragement for those feeling isolated or stuck in their faith, and ways we can invite Jesus into our everyday struggles.
Reflect on the power of community and honesty in the process of spiritual growth.

Featured Guest

Mary DeMuth

Resources mentioned

Faithful Counseling BetterHelp - Get Started & Sign-Up Today
Church Hurt Checklist
Bookstore - Mary DeMuth
The Freedom of Surrender: https://amzn.to/4q8Nn63

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146: What You Don't Know About Domestic Violence. Guest: Neil Schori

Tue, 07 Oct 2025 14:07:00 -0400

This episode contains content that may be difficult for those who have experienced violence or who are sensitive to mentions of abuse or intimate partner violence. Please take care when listening.

In 2007, Pastor Neil Schori sat down with a woman who had come to him for marriage counseling. You probably recognize her name: Stacy Peterson.

Not long after that conversation, Stacy when missing and still has not been found.

Her husband, Drew Peterson, is serving time in prison for being convicted of murdering his previous wife.

Pastor Neil joins the Untangled Faith podcast to share his thoughts on the Steven Crowder video, what he wishes he had known about intimate partner violence and what friends and faith community leaders need to know to be safe places for those who may not even know they are in danger.

In this episode, we talk about:

The multiple facets of abuse go beyond bodily injury.
The necessity of pastors to possess the right skills to manage abusive scenarios.
Red flags the signal abuse situations.
Empowering victims
How incorrect theology is harming those being abused.

Links:

Document the Abuse website: https://documenttheabuse.com

Neil Schori on Twitter: https://twitter.com/neilschori

Neil Schori coaching: https://www.facebook.com/SchoriCoaching

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145: Holy Hurt: Spiritual Trauma and Paths to Restoration, Guest: Hillary McBride

Tue, 30 Sep 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Hillary McBride joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to unpack spiritual trauma, healing, and how we can create faith communities that avoid replicating unhealthy patterns.

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In this episode we:

Explore who McBride's new book, Holy Hurt: Understanding Spiritual Trauma and the Process of Healing, is for and how different groups relate to spiritual trauma.
Define spiritual abuse and spiritual trauma, and unpack the common misconceptions surrounding these terms.
Discuss how curiosity and hope can bridge the gap between those who have and haven't experienced spiritual trauma.
Address the accusation that spiritual trauma is a "fad" and reflect on the history and reality of spiritual harm, especially for marginalized communities.
Consider the ethical complexities of sharing stories—both for survivors of spiritual trauma and those hosting podcasts or creating resources.
Talk through practical ways new communities and organizations can avoid recreating harmful power dynamics and foster safety and agency.
Reflect on the role of conflict, repair, and personal healing in faith spaces and survivor communities.
Touch on generational differences in openness to processing and naming spiritual harm and why resources matter for healing.

Featured Guest

Hillary McBride

Resources mentioned

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144: Why Christians Need History: Lessons from Napoleon, Misleading Historians, and Our Cultural Myths

Tue, 23 Sep 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Chris Staron, host of the Truce podcast joins Amy to talk about the importance of looking at history to make sense of this current moment.

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In this episode we:

Talk about the origin story of the Truce podcast and Chris's approach to using history to illuminate today's faith questions.
Discuss the power of curiosity and humility in addressing gaps in our knowledge.
Reflect on the importance of surrounding ourselves with experts—and being open to their feedback.
Examine how historical context can reshape our assumptions about gender roles, especially in the context of "biblical womanhood."
Challenge the idea that "this is the worst it's ever been" by exploring history's patterns and precedents.
Talk about identifying trustworthy sources—and red flags—in historical writing, including the importance of bibliographies and the dangers of consuming information solely from those who share our theological or political biases.
Analyze the work (and controversy) surrounding figures like David Barton and the misinterpretation of America's Christian roots.
Highlight the value of reading outside our usual bubbles and expanding our knowledge beyond World War II or familiar American history.
Encourage listeners to approach new information, especially history, with a willingness to be challenged and changed.

Featured Guest

Chris Staron
website: www.trucepodcast.com
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Resources mentioned

Robert Caro's "The Years of Lyndon Johnson" series
Isabel Wilkerson's The Warmth of Other Suns"

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143: Ramsey Solutions Lawsuit Happenings and a Summer Update

Tue, 15 Jul 2025 16:44:00 -0400

Amy Fritz shares an update on what's happening with the Amos v. Lampo Group and O'Connor v. Lampo Group lawsuits and a brief summer update.

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Resources mentioned

Substack Update https://untangledfaith.substack.com/p/finding-my-podcast-rhythm
Amos v. Lampo Group filings https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/61614266/amos-v-lampo-group-llc-the/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc
O'Connor v. Lampo Group filings https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/17372107/oconnor-v-the-lampo-group-llc/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc

You can find more Ramsey Episodes here: https://www.untangledfaithpodcast.com/categories/ramsey-solutions-dave-ramsey/

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142: Recovering From Purity Culture. Guest: Dr. Camden Morgante

Fri, 20 Jun 2025 16:25:00 -0400

Dr. Camden Morgante joins Amy Fritz to talk about all the awful metaphors and false promises of purity culture, and a better way forward. If you grew up reading Josh Harris and Elisabeth Elliot, you're going to love this one!

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Dr. Camden Morgante https://drcamden.com/press/

Resources mentioned

Dr. Camden's site: https://drcamden.com/press/
Dr. Camden's Substack: https://drcamden.substack.com/
Recovering From Purity Culture https://amzn.to/4kQmSPN

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141: Healing and Navigating the Pitfalls of the Advocacy Space. Guest: Lori Anne Thompson

Wed, 11 Jun 2025 15:25:00 -0400

Have you been told to (or seen others) push through personal pain and trauma while engaging in advocacy for the health of the Church without being given the tools to manage your (or their) own emotional wellness? Are you often feeling overwhelmed and exhausted?

Meet Lori Anne Thompson: a compassionate survivor, storyteller, and student. Lori Anne is a devoted wife, mother, and enthusiastic cook who loves to share her passion for sustainable rhythms and healing for those who have survived trauma.

This episode was initially shared in April 2023, but with the heartbreaking loss of Jennifer Lyell, I wanted to share it again. You can find more information on Jennifer Lyell here: Died: Jennifer Lyell, SBC Abuse Survivor and Former Lifeway Executive - Christianity Today

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Lori Anne and Amy talk through these topics in this episode of the Untangled Faith podcast:

Who is Lori Anne Thompson?

The Three Phases of Recovery

How trauma can't be your whole life

Chronic activation

Finding sustainable ways to give back

Red flags to look for

Becoming what we're against

The power of saying no.

Resources:

Victim Impact Statement from Lori Anne Thompson regarding Ravi Zacharias:

https://loriannethompson.com/2021/02/08/lori-anne-thompson-victim-impact-statement/

https://loriannethompson.com

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/bulletin/cpac-trump-transgenderism-oscars.html

Truth & Repair: How Trauma Survivors Envision Justice by Judith Herman: https://amzn.to/3mxzx0W

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140: Navigating Awkward Church Transitions and Avoiding Accidental Heresy. Guest: Aaron Armstrong

Wed, 04 Jun 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Aaron Armstrong joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to explore the nuances of leaving a beloved church community, navigating the awkwardness of joining a new church, and the motivations and process behind his new book, Faith Simplified: What We Believe and Why We Believe It. The conversation moves from personal stories of faith transitions to honest insight into Christian publishing, endorsements, and what it means to thoughtfully engage with the important theological tenants of the Christian faith.

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In this episode we:

Hear Aaron's story of leaving a church he loved and the emotional and practical realities of church closure—reflecting on how endings don't always mean failure.
Discuss the strange and sometimes awkward season of being new in a church, resisting the urge to jump right in, and learning to simply "be."
Delve into the complexities of book endorsements in Christian publishing, including why they matter (or don't), how they're decided, and the landmines authors and publishers face.
Talk about how reducing people to social media snippets can distort real-life relationships, and why discernment is important when choosing where to show up and engage.
Wrestle with common theological distractions and accidental heresies.
Explore Aaron's new book, Faith Simplified: What We Believe and Why We Believe It, including his approach to foundational theology, why he wrote it, and who it's for.

Featured Guest

Aaron Armstrong Aaron Armstrong: Author, Speaker, Canadian

Resources mentioned

Aaron's web site https://aaronarmstrong.co
Faith Simplified https://amzn.to/43PxkzT

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139: Posture Over Position: Transforming How We Engage LGBTQ+ Folks in Our Congregations: Guest Bill Henson, Posture Shift Ministries

Wed, 21 May 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Bill Henson, founder and director of Posture Shift Ministries, joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to talk about cultivating a posture of radical love and hospitality toward LGBTQ+ individuals and families within the church, regardless of theological position.

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In this episode we:

Explore the difference between a church's theological position and its posture toward LGBTQ+ individuals.
Hear why Posture Shift was founded in the midst of the culture wars around LGBTQ+ rights and the church's response.
Discuss the importance of practical, missional skill sets for churches to truly love and include LGBTQ+ people, beyond merely good intentions.
Address common language pitfalls and the impact of terminology like "lifestyle" on LGBTQ+ individuals seeking belonging in faith communities.
Examine the need for clarity and transparency about church beliefs on sexuality—and the harm of ambiguity or "bait and switch" scenarios for LGBTQ+ congregants.
Reflect on the dangers of treating LGBTQ+ presence in church as a threat, and instead view it as a missional opportunity.
Consider best practices for using names and pronouns, and the principle of "pronoun hospitality," especially in youth ministry and family settings.
Learn about practical resources like the "Guiding Families" book and direct care coaching for families navigating these conversations.

Featured Guest

Bill Henson, Posture Shift Ministries Posture Shift | postureshift.com

Resources mentioned

This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled
About - Posture Shift | postureshift.com

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138: Third-Party Investigations and Trauma Informed Practices. In Memory of Pete Singer

Tue, 06 May 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Pete Singer passed away on May 1, 2025.

He is missed by his many family and friends.

Make a donation to GRACE: https://netgrace.org/donate

Pete Singer, executive director of GRACE, shares about grooming, hidden trauma, being "overly" sensitive to abuse, and the importance of third-party investigations.

"Perpetrators put a lot of effort into being the kind of person who would never do that."

"Being more sensitive may be the product of having more knowledge."

Pete Singer is the Executive Director of GRACE: Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment and an expert on third-party investigations, trauma, and trauma-informed practice.

GRACE: Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment is a nonprofit organization that specializes in safeguarding initiatives to guard against church abuse, sexual abuse in the church.

In this episode, you will learn the following:

1. What misconceptions about perpetrators of abuse do people have, and how can we ensure we are more informed?

2. How does trauma-informed practice apply in churches, and why is it important?

3. How can churches protect possible victims and be transparent and trustworthy in their response to allegations of misconduct?

Links:

https://netgrace.org

SAMHSA's Six Principles of Trauma-Informed Care – Post-Secondary Peer Support Training Curriculum (opentextbc.ca)

137: Life After Financial Peace University Rethinking Dave Ramsey's Baby Steps

Tue, 29 Apr 2025 05:00:00 -0400

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Dan and Summer Watt & Melissa Hogan joined me for episode 39: The Problem with Financial Peace University and Dave Ramsey's Financial Rhetoric. ⁠ This conversation we had was made possible by the fact that those of us involved in this episode have spent the last several years processing together our experiences with the ups and downs of Financial Peace University and the rhetoric coming from the Ramsey Show.⁠ ⁠ While we all had different levels of understanding and adhering to the plan, each of us have found ourselves with serious questions. Some of these questions started before we broke ties with the organization and some of these realizations came later.⁠ ⁠ We don't claim to be unbiased observers. We all have had very painful and disappointing experiences with Ramsey Solutions, but we don't think that negates the very real questions we raise.⁠

Links:

D.L. Mayfield, The Myth of the American Dream

Dan Watt- Why Write About Lampo?

Dan Watt- Getting a Mortgage with no credit score

American Gospel movie

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136: What Happens When You Have Conflicting Information About Someone's Character?

Wed, 23 Apr 2025 01:11:00 -0400

Amy Fritz shares a brief reflection on what it's like to reckon with there being two versions of someone.

What would it cost to believe a person could be kind and generous sometimes and cruel and abusive other times?

Are you allowed to consider that, and what does it mean if you aren't?

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135: Explaining the Johnny Hunt v. Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) Lawsuit. Guest: Melissa J. Hogan

Tue, 15 Apr 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Amy Fritz is joined by Melissa J. Hogan on the Untangled Faith podcast to discuss the lawsuit involving Johnny Hunt and the SBC, addressing misconceptions and the importance of the judge's resolution.

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In this episode we:

Explore the origins and developments of the Johnny Hunt lawsuit against the SBC.
Unpack the significance of the Guidepost Report in uncovering abuse within the SBC.
Clarify common misconceptions about defamation cases and the impact of public testimony.
Reveal the judge's resolution and its implications for survivors and the SBC.
Highlight the importance of understanding power dynamics and trauma-informed perspectives in cases of abuse.

Featured Guest

Melissa J. Hogan https://melissajhogan.substack.com

Resources mentioned

If you liked this episode you'll like these:

83: Dave Ramsey's Legal Nightmare: Time Share Exit Team Class-Action Lawsuit Deep Dive with Melissa Hogan

94: Lawsuit Update: Hypocrisy and Double Standards at Ramsey Solutions

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134: Pushing Back Against Spiritual Anxiety. Guest: Tiffany Yecke Brooks

Tue, 08 Apr 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Tiffany Yecke Brooks joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to discuss her book Holy Ghosted and searching for a less anxious faith

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In this episode, we:

Explore the concept of spiritual anxiety as a trauma response and its impact on individuals raised in legalistic religious environments.
Discuss the influence of religious teachings and cultural pressures on Gen X and millennials' spiritual experiences.
Examine how control and manipulation manifest in religious communities through various rhetorical techniques.
Highlight the historical presence of spiritual anxiety among church figures and the recognition of healthier ways to engage with faith.
Reflect on the notion of God's will as a relationship rather than a specific path, encouraging a focus on making thoughtful and intentional decisions.

Featured Guest
- Tiffany Yecke Brooks
Resources mentioned
- Holy Ghosted https://amzn.to/4llmYPZ
- https://tiffanyyeckebrooks.com
- https://tiffanyyeckebrooks.substack.com
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133: Building Safe Sanctuaries. Guest: Dr. Diane Langberg

Tue, 01 Apr 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Dr. Diane Langberg joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to discuss her insights on abuse within the church and her latest book, "When the Church Harms God's People."

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In this episode, we:

Explore the evolution of understanding abuse and trauma over the past five decades with Dr. Langberg.
Discuss the misconceptions surrounding abuse and domestic violence within Christian communities.
Examine the bravery required for victims to speak up and how church leaders should respond to disclosures of abuse.
Address the importance of protecting individuals over preserving institutions or marriages.
Consider what true repentance looks like for perpetrators and how mercy and love can be extended to them responsibly.
Look at the challenges faced by survivors and the need for vigilance and wisdom in church settings.
Highlight the essential role of education and training for leaders in recognizing and responding to abuse situations.

Featured Guest

Dr. Diane Langberg

Resources mentioned

When The Church Harms God's People https://amzn.to/4lbpqsn

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Celebrities For Jesus. Guest: Katelyn Beaty (RERUN)

Tue, 25 Mar 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Katelyn Beaty joins Amy Fritz for a conversation about what Katelyn learned as she was writing her upcoming book, Celebrities for Jesus: How Personas, Platforms, and Profits Are Hurting the Church.

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In this episode we talk about:

How did Katelyn decide who to reach out to for endorsements for a book like this?
Proximity as an antidote to implosion.
An update on my former pastor who plagiarized most of his sermons and personal stories.
Ghostwriting
Plagiarism
What is the role of the consumer?

Featured Guest

Katelyn Beaty https://katelybeaty.com

Resources mentioned

Faithful Counseling https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled
Buy Katelyn's book: https://amzn.to/3AaCGaY

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132: Loving Your Christian Nationalist Neighbor. Guest: Caleb Campbell

Tue, 18 Mar 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Caleb Campbell joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to discuss his journey from pastoring to becoming an author, and how to engage lovingly with Christian nationalists.

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In this episode we:

Explore Caleb Campbell's background and transformation from a neo-Nazi skinhead to a church pastor.
Discover the origins and motivations behind Caleb's book on Christian nationalism.
Reflect on the challenges pastors face in navigating cultural and political divides, particularly within the past decade.
Reframe the approach to Christian nationalism as a mission field rather than an enemy to combat.
Consider practical steps for engaging in meaningful, compassionate conversations with those holding nationalist views.

Featured Guest

Caleb Campbell https://www.disarmingleviathan.com

Resources mentioned

Faithful Counseling https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled
Disarming Leviathan: Loving Your Christian Nationalist Neighbor https://amzn.to/4hEwCdi
The Quiet Damage: QAnon and the Destruction of the American Family https://amzn.to/4hEwCdi

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131: Exploring Women's Historical Roles in Ministry. Guest: Dr. Beth Allison Barr

Tue, 11 Mar 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Dr. Beth Allison Barr joins Amy Fritz to talk about the how women's roles in church ministry have changed throughout history.

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In this episode we:

Dive into the origins and unexpected reactions to Barr's previous work, "The Making of Biblical Womanhood."
Explore how Barr's experiences as both a historian and pastor's wife influenced her latest work.
Unpack the historical context of ordination and the roles women played in early church leadership.
Reveal how cultural forces and economics, rather than biblical mandates, have historically dictated views on women's roles.
Discuss the Southern Baptist Convention's shifting stance on women's ordination in response to social and cultural changes.
Shine a light on current issues within the SBC, including the connection between power dynamics and handling of abuse cases.

Featured Guest

Dr. Beth Allison Barr https://bakerbookhouse.com/products/598817

Resources mentioned

Faithful Counseling- get 10% off here: BetterHelp - Get Started & Sign-Up Today
Beth's book: https://bakerbookhouse.com/products/598817

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130: Engaging Cultural Issues Through Faith: A Conversation with Marty Duren

Tue, 04 Mar 2025 06:00:00 -0400

Marty Duren joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to explore the intersections of faith, politics, and societal issues.

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In this episode Amy and Marty:

Talk about Marty's journey away from the Moral Majority
Discuss the impact of Christian Nationalism and how that's different than patriotism
Consider how proximity changes how we understand different issues.
Talk about why Marty hates the word "impactful"!

Featured Guest

Mary Duren Kingdom in the Midst - On Earth as It is in Heaven
Marty on Bluesky: Marty Duren (@martyduren.bsky.social) — Bluesky
Marty on Facebook: Facebook

Resources mentioned

Faithful Counseling- get 10% off here: BetterHelp - Get Started & Sign-Up Today
Marty's Book, The Disparate Ones https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-disparate-ones-essays-on-being-in-the-world-but-not-of-the-world/ae8b8e3c312ea6ff?ean=9781736282182&next=t&next=t
Blood Brothers https://amzn.to/41qTiYq
The Hundred Years' War on Palestine https://amzn.to/4i3G9fa
Whose Promised Land https://amzn.to/43lCULB
A Stranger In the Land https://amzn.to/43lCULB

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129: Searching For Safety After Abuse and Harm. Guest: Melissa J. Hogan

Tue, 25 Feb 2025 06:00:00 -0400

Melissa J. Hogan joins Amy to talk about a talk she gave at the Restore conference in Feb 2025.

What does it look like to search for safety after abuse?

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What we talk about:

Finding safe community
Establishing stability
The cocoon stage
Reckoning with imperfect communities
The risk of truly living

Featured Guest

Melissa J. Hogan (1) Res Ipsa with Melissa J. Hogan | Substack

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128: Understanding Conspiracy Theories. Guest: Dr. Karen Swallow Prior

Tue, 11 Feb 2025 06:00:00 -0400

Dr. Karen Swallow Prior joins Amy Fritz for a conversation about conspiracy theories and what it looks like to be responsible consumers of information.

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In this episode we talk about

What's a conspiracy theory?
What's the appeal of conspiracy theories?
How literature and media we consume forms our imaginations

Featured Guest

Dr. Karen Swallow Prior https://karenswallowprior.com

Resources mentioned

Holy Post Video about conspiracy theories: Why Do We Believe Conspiracy Theories?
Dr. Francis Collins on The Bulletin https://www.christianitytoday.com/podcasts/the-bulletin/one-on-one-with-francis-collins
I Cheerfully Refuse https://amzn.to/4jIoRFw
The Evangelical Imagination https://amzn.to/411X9fG

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127: False Redemption: It's Not A Marriage Issue Guest- Melissa J. Hogan

Tue, 04 Feb 2025 06:00:00 -0400

Attorney and Institutional Response Specialist Melissa J. Hogan joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast for a candid discussion about how communities and leaders should respond when there is a breakdown of trust in a marriage, especially when issues of abuse or infidelity are involved. What happens when we diagnose an abuse issue as a marriage issue?

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In this episode we talk about

What communities, leaders, and friends should consider when addressing trust breakdowns in marriages.
Why the first instinct to restore the marriage might be harmful.
Common myths around quick-fixes such as short-term therapies and intensives.
Practical steps and resources for leaders.

Featured Guest

Melissa J. Hogan https://melissajhogan.substack.com

Resources mentioned

GRACE https://www.netgrace.org
Dr. Diane Langberg https://www.dianelangeberg.com
Caring Well Conference 2019 ERLC National Conference - Caring Well on Vimeo
Gretchen Baskerville About Me | Life-Saving Divorce
Leslie Vernick Home - Leslie Vernick
Natalie Hoffman Flying Free Support for Women in Abusive Relationships

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126: Revisiting Left Behind with Jerry Dugan

Tue, 28 Jan 2025 06:00:00 -0400

How well does the 1995 hit book, Left Behind hold up?

Amy Fritz is joined by author and podcaster, Jerry Dugan to talk about this cult classic.

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In this episode we'll cover

The origin story of Left Behind
Left Behind and end times speculation
Who is the anti-Christ?
The impact the book had on evangelical Christians in the US
Failed end-times predictions

Featured Guest

Jerry Dugan

Resources mentioned

This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled
Revelation For The Rest of Us
Left Behind
Much Ado About Nothing

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125: Meet the "Sharon Says So" of the PCA denomination. Guest: Lynna Sutherland

Tue, 21 Jan 2025 06:00:00 -0400

Lynna Sutherland, whom Amy refers to as the "Sharon McMahon of the PCA" stops by the Untangled Faith podcast to talk about her work in her ministry Advocacy From the Presbyterian Pew

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Amy and Lynna talk about

What inspired Lynna Sutherland to start Advocacy from the Presbyterian Pew
Complexity of the PCA
How understanding the origin of the PCA helps Lynna in her work
Current issues: DASA
Advice for men in leadership in the denomination
Advice for women

Featured Guest:

Lynna Sutherland Presbyterian Pew

Resources mentioned

Advocacy from the Presbyterian Pew: Presbyterian Pew
Dr. Langberg on Russell Moore podcast Harm, Trauma, and Church Abuse - Christianity Today
Darby Strickland Home | Darby Strickland
Ian Sears case, Nashville Presbytery Nashville pastor ousted: A landmark in PCA abuse reformMee

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124: 4 Year Anniversary of Going on The Record About Ramsey Solutions

Tue, 14 Jan 2025 06:00:00 -0400

Amy Fritz reflects on the 4 year anniversary of the Religion News Service article Is Dave Ramsey's Company the Best Place to Work? Say No and You're Out.

Heather Fulk joins Amy to talk about going on the record for that article.

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In this episode you'll find

Origin of the RNS article
Heather Fulk shares what it's like to go decide to go on the record.
Amy reflects on the Ramsey response and the main RNS article

Featured Guest

Heather Fulk

Resources mentioned

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123: Year in Review: Favorite Reads, Podcast Moments, and Insights from 2024

Tue, 31 Dec 2024 06:00:00 -0400

Amy Fritz reflects on lessons learned in 2024, favorite books, and what's coming next.

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Episode Highlights

Most downloaded episode of 2024:
The episode where Amy re-recorded her part of the conversation by herself
Favorite Books
Lessons Learned
What's Next!

Resources mentioned

This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled
Episode 111:How to Know Who to Trust in the Religion World
Episode 113 with Chuck DeGroat
Othered by Jenai Auman https://amzn.to/40gPCsU
Lessons From the COVID War https://amzn.to/49Z22ZM
My, Myself and Bob https://amzn.to/4a0okdM
Final Accounting https://amzn.to/4gCsieY
You Could Make This Place Beautiful https://amzn.to/4gxnec3
The Next Right Thing Guided Journal https://amzn.to/4iYPKow

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Holy Spaces of Grief with Natasha Smith

Tue, 24 Dec 2024 06:00:00 -0400

Natasha Smith joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to share her journey through grief, faith, and the power of presence during life's hardest moments.

"Grief starts when you start to let go." – Natasha Smith

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In this episode we talk about

The emotional rollercoaster of awaiting MRI results and the devastating news Natasha's family received.
The ICU waiting room as both a heavy and holy space
The honest expression of grief and the complexities of maintaining faith amidst sorrow and disappointment.
The importance of a supportive community.
Secondary and invisible grief.
How accurate theology can shape our understanding of suffering and God's role in it.

Featured Guest

Natasha Smith Homepage - Natasha Smith

Resources mentioned

This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled
Natasha Smith's book Can You Just Sit With Me?
Dr. Diane Langberg- Suffering and the Heart of God: How Trauma Destroys and Christ Restores.

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Leaving Church and Looking for Christ with Broken to Beloved

Tue, 17 Dec 2024 06:00:00 -0400

This is an episode from the Broken to Beloved podcast with Brian Lee. Brian interviews Scot Mcknight and Tommy Preson Philips about their new book Invisible Jesus: A Book about Leaving the Church and Looking for Christ

Episode Resources and Links

The Myth of a Christian Nation by Greg Boyd on Bookshop | Amazon
Revelation for the Rest of Us by Scot McKnight & Cody Hatchett on Bookshop | on Amazon

Guest Spotlight

Scot has been a professor of NT for more than four decades. He is the author of more than 90 books, including the award-winning The Jesus Creed as well as A Church Called TOV.

Tommy Preson Phillips is a pastor at Watermark Church in Tampa, FL. He is also a songwriter and recording artist with his band Preson Phillips. He holds an MA in NT from Northern Seminary.

Scot: Website | Instagram | Twitter/X | Threads

Tommy: Substack | Instagram | Threads | Preson Phillips band

Get your copy of Invisible Jesus on Amazon | on Bookshop

Links in these show notes are affiliate links that pay a small portion of the purchase price to Brian Lee at Broken to Beloved at no extra cost to you.

The Spiritual Discipline of Curiosity with Lore Wilbert

Tue, 10 Dec 2024 06:00:00 -0400

Lore Wilbert joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to talk about her book, "A Curious Faith," and the spiritual discipline of curiosity, revisiting themes of certainty, vulnerability, and the role of questioning within faith communities.

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In this episode, we:

Explore the themes and inspirations behind Lore Wilbert's book, "A Curious Faith."
Discuss the societal expectation of certainty within faith communities and the richness found in admitting uncertainty
Learn about Lore's experiences with using curiosity as a protective mechanism and its impacts on relationships.
Reflect on the biblical story of Moses through a chapter from Lori's book, emphasizing the significance of unexpected life challenges.
Highlight the need for ethical responsibility in acknowledging sources and giving proper credit, discussing issues of plagiarism in Christian publishing.
Address the complexity of accepting both good and bad elements in the world through a Christian perspective.
Consider the importance of curiosity as a spiritual discipline and its role in fostering understanding and genuine faith.

Podcast Guest

Lore Wilbert (1) S A Y A B L E | Lore Wilbert | Substack

Resources:

A Curious Faith by Lore Wilbert https://amzn.to/41rzkPg

If you liked this episode, check out these:

90: Historical & Cultural Influences on Evangelicalism. Guest: Karen Swallow Prior

51: Celebrities for Jesus. Guest: Katelyn Beaty

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122: Revisiting His Needs, Her Needs with Melissa J. Hogan

Tue, 03 Dec 2024 06:00:00 -0400

Listener note: The content in this episode may not be suitable for young children. Also, please be aware that there is discussion of abuse in this episode. Please take care when listening.

Melissa J. Hogan, joins Amy Fritz to revisit the 1986 marriage book His Needs, Needs by Dr. Willard Harley.

Does it hold up? Did it ever hold up?

What happens when a spouse who is struggling in their marriage and hoping for a way to save it picks up this book?

Melissa's substack: Res Ipsa launches on January 3, 2025. - by Melissa J. Hogan

If you liked this episode, check out these:

43: What We've Gotten Wrong About Divorce. Guest: Gretchen Baskerville

79: Domestic Violence & Evangelical Churches. Guest: Neil Schori

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121: Revisiting The Prayer of Jabez

Tue, 26 Nov 2024 06:00:00 -0400

Amy Fritz is joined by her husband, Nathan, to discuss the year 2000 NYT Best Selling book, The Prayer of Jabez.

If you liked this episode, check out these:

90: Historical & Cultural Influences on Evangelicalism. Guest: Karen Swallow Prior

75: Surviving, Healing, & The Pitfalls of Advocacy. Guest: Lori Anne Thompson

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120: 2024 Election Wrap-Up and What's Next

Tue, 19 Nov 2024 15:32:00 -0400

Amy wraps up the series on faith and politics and shares some reflections on the results of the 2024 election and what's up next for the podcast.

Resources:

Jen Pollock Michel Substack Article: https://jenpollockmichel.substack.com/p/writing-and-reading-in-our-political

Hannah Anderson Article: https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/dispatch-faith/remembering-humility-as-a-virtue/?utm_content=buffer2da79&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

If you liked this episode, check out these:

116 How Evangelicals Aligned with Republicans: A Conversation with Chris Staron (untangledfaithpodcast.com)

115: What Happens When You Mix Politics and Faith with Kaitlyn Schiess (untangledfaithpodcast.com)

Where you can find me:

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119: Orphaned Believers: Sara Billups on Church, Culture Wars, and Spiritual Growth

Tue, 12 Nov 2024 15:50:00 -0400

Sara Billups joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to discuss how the focus on end times, culture wars, and consumerism in the evangelical church formed many of us growing up in the 80s and 90s.

"If I'm being formed by these forces, in what ways am I being formed by Jesus?" – Sara Billups

Stuff we talk about:

Sara's faith and family history.

The Moral Majority

Our desire for a common enemy

Consumerism and prosperity gospel

The importance of community

Resources:

Orphaned Believers: https://amzn.to/3ULDoFy

Jesus and John Wayne: https://amzn.to/3ULDoFy

If you liked this episode, check out these:

116 How Evangelicals Aligned with Republicans: A Conversation with Chris Staron (untangledfaithpodcast.com)

115: What Happens When You Mix Politics and Faith with Kaitlyn Schiess (untangledfaithpodcast.com)

Where you can find me:

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118: Is There One Right Way for Christians to Vote?

Tue, 05 Nov 2024 06:00:00 -0400

If you seek a deeper understanding of aligning your faith and politics, this episode offers some thought-provoking insights and practical take-aways regarding what it looks like to have your Christian faith inform your vote.

Amy Fritz is joined by her husband, Nathan, and they talk about:

The importance of diverse voices.

Pro-life v. Pro-choice complexities.

Border security and immigration

Voting for a president.

Beyond straight-party voting.

Love God. Love your neighbor

Resources:

What About Abortion? Should this one issue determine how Christians vote?

(1) Why the Freedom to Choose Matters to Me - by Lore Wilbert

When Does Life Begin?

(1) Beyond the "Christian" Voter Guide - by Amy Fritz

Home - Women of Welcome

Common Questions - Women of Welcome

If you liked this episode, check out these:

116 How Evangelicals Aligned with Republicans: A Conversation with Chris Staron (untangledfaithpodcast.com)

115: What Happens When You Mix Politics and Faith with Kaitlyn Schiess (untangledfaithpodcast.com)

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117: How Donald Trump Changed How I Thought About Politics and Faith

Tue, 29 Oct 2024 05:00:00 -0400

Amy Fritz is joined by her husband, Nathan Fritz, on the Untangled Faith podcast to discuss their chainging relationship with faith and politics, particularly in the context of the 2016 election and its aftermath.

"It's not just that we don't all think the same, and there isn't necessarily a clear biblical rule on every political thing. We might value some of the same things, but not everybody agrees on how to get to that place."– Amy Fritz

In this episode we talk about:

What started our process of rethinking the "Christian" approach to politics.
Trump Derangement Syndrome.
What it means to vote for policies as opposed to a person.
The problem with "mean Tweets".
Examine government inefficiencies while recognizing its role in providing necessary support.
The role of the Church in providing social safety nets.
Consider the impact of media and public perception on faith and politics, including concerns about media legitimacy and the term "Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS)."

Resources:

https://currentpub.com/2016/06/25/james-dobson-on-the-character-of-the-president-of-the-united-states/

https://news.gallup.com/poll/235022/presidential-moral-leadership-less-important-republicans.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

https://thepreamble.com/p/jemar-tisby-advice-for-single-issue

https://www.cnn.com/2015/09/13/politics/barack-obama-religion-christian-misperceptions/index.html

https://ministrywatch.com/health-share-ministries-face-growing-chorus-of-complaints-and-lawsuits

If you liked this episode, check out these ones:

116 How Evangelicals Aligned with Republicans: A Conversation with Chris Staron (untangledfaithpodcast.com)

115: What Happens When You Mix Politics and Faith with Kaitlyn Schiess (untangledfaithpodcast.com)

Where you can find me:

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116 How Evangelicals Aligned with Republicans: A Conversation with Chris Staron

Tue, 22 Oct 2024 05:00:00 -0400

Chris Staron joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to discuss the ties between evangelicalism and the Republican Party and the impact of societal changes on faith and politics.

"No party is going to be 100% a christian party. And if they were, I'd actually be really suspicious of them." – Chris Staron

In this episode we:

Talk about the history of how evangelical Christianity became associated with the Republican Party.
Discuss the impact of government regulations and civil rights changes on business owners, using historical examples.
Explore Ronald Reagan's appeal to evangelical voters and the shift from Jimmy Carter's presidency.
Reflect on how race, economics, and societal unrest influenced evangelicals' political affiliations.

Find Chris Staron:

Chris Staron, Author at Truce Podcast

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Tune in next week for a heartfelt conversation with Amy's husband about the intersections of politics and faith.

115: What Happens When You Mix Politics and Faith with Kaitlyn Schiess

Tue, 15 Oct 2024 05:00:00 -0400

Katilyn Schiess joins Amy Fritz for a conversation about faith and politics.

Resources:

Purchase Kaitlyn's new book: The Ballot and the Bible. https://amzn.to/3DNVy0L
Follow Kaitlyn: https://kaitlynschiess.com

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Host/Creator: Amy Fritz

Untangled Faith Is Coming Back!

Mon, 14 Oct 2024 18:50:00 -0400

The Untangled Faith podcast is coming back!

Amy shares what you can expect in this trailer.

Boz Tchividjian Discusses NDAs, Abuse in Churches, and Support for Abuse Survivors

Wed, 19 Jun 2024 15:37:17 -0400

Boz Tchividjian, attorney and advocate for abuse survivors joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to answer your questions.

What's his origin story as an attorney?

The origins of GRACE.

Thoughts on the Us v Them messaging from many churches.

NDAs

Who is the Ronan Farrow or Jody Kantor of #churchtoo reporting?

Who did Billy Graham vote for? (Just kidding. Boz didn't completely clear this one up for us!)

Links:

Sexual Abuse Attorney For Victims | Boz Tchividjian Sexual Abuse Lawyer (bozlawpa.com)

GRACE:

GRACE (netgrace.org)

Diane Langberg at the Caring Well Conference:

Suffering and the Heart of God: How Trauma Destroys and Christ Restores – Diane Langberg on Vimeo

Boz at the Caring Well Conference:

Winter Inside the Church and Hope for Spring – Boz Tchividjian on Vimeo

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113: Self Awareness Isn't Enough. Guest: Chuck DeGroat

Wed, 13 Mar 2024 05:00:00 -0400

Chuck DeGroat returns to the Untangled Faith podcast with host Amy Fritz to explore the transformative work of moving from self-awareness to self-regulation and how our response to shame changes everything.

"I call the work that I do sometimes excavation work, because we're removing rubble. . .There's a lot of rubble that has kept me inwardly oriented and not as merciful or more prone to bitterness than prone to justice as I do my own work. And as I identify these parts of me that are self-protective, and befriend them and bless them and offer peace to them, there is a sense in which we all can live from that deep heart God created us for in love, goodness, faith, gentleness, meekness. . .And so I often say in the work that I do, the greatest asset is that I'm working with image bearers." - Chuck DeGroat

In this episode we:

- Address the repercussions of the Calvin University president's resignation and its ripple effect on community leaders.

- Discuss the need for self-awareness in understanding one's actions as incomplete without self-regulation

- Discuss the delicate balance between speaking out on issues and exercising prudence in engagement.

- Unpack the concept of shame, its link to narcissism, and the importance of having strategies to work through it.

- Share personal stories that highlight our relationship with shame in relationship dynamics.

Other Episodes you might enjoy:

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2022/07/13/46-when-narcissism-comes-to-church-guest-chuck-degroat/

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2022/08/10/51-celebrities-for-jesus-guest-katelyn-beaty/

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112: Leaving the IFB and Finding the Real Jesus. Guest: Ryan George

Wed, 06 Mar 2024 06:00:00 -0400

Content Note: There is discussion regarding abuse in this episode. Please take care when listening.

Author, Ryan George, joins Amy to share his personal experience of leaving a high-control religious community, and what it was like to realize, while listening to a podcast, that his dad was a serial abuser. He also shares what pulled him out of the IFB world and what that means when it comes to helping others.

Buy Ryan's book: Hurt and Healed by the Church: Redemption and Reconstruction After Spiritual Abuse

Episodes you might enjoy:

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2023/09/27/97-when-mlms-come-to-church-guest-chris-staron/

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2023/08/16/91-navigating-the-intersection-of-faith-politics-guest-kaitlyn-schiess/

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Where you can find me:

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111: How To Know Who to Trust in the Religion World. Guest: Becky Castle Miller

Wed, 28 Feb 2024 06:00:00 -0400

Becky Castle Miller joins Amy to discuss strategies for assessing the character of church leaders, the importance of being informed, and how to navigate the often-discomforting process of learning about and responding to accusations against those in power.

You'll also get to listen in on some of our personal experiences—the struggle of having to reconcile conflicting information about individuals we once admired and our responsibility to inform others, while remaining sensitive to those at different places of being able to receive that information.

You'll hear about the responsibility individuals have to speak out within their communities and organizations, responsibly handling these issues, and why it's crucial to believe and act upon allegations, even when they first emerge in less formal settings.

Where you can find Becky:

Website: beckycastlemiller.com Substack: beckycastlemiller.substack.com Instagram: @wholeemotion Ravi Zacharias Teen Mania Recovering Grace Chris Rice Mark Driscoll ACNA Sovereign Grace Larry Nassar Northern Seminary John Crist Duggars Reporters/News Sources to follow: RNS Dee- Wartburg Watch Ministry Watch Roys Report

Episodes you might enjoy:

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2022/08/03/50-dr-scot-mcknight-and-laura-barringer-share-what-they-have-learned-from-publishing-a-church-called-tov/

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2023/01/25/67-the-secret-to-being-courageous-guest-kj-ramsey/

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Where you can find me:

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110: Navigating Faith and Suffering with Kristen LaValley

Wed, 21 Feb 2024 06:00:00 -0400

In this thought-provoking episode of Untangled Faith, Amy Fritz sits down with Kristen LaValley to discuss the complex and often misunderstood intersection of faith, prayer, and suffering. Kristen opens up about the emotional journey of navigating her high-risk pregnancy and the pressures of expecting specific outcomes from prayer.

You'll love hearing Kristen's and Amy's conversation (including some personal anecdotes that might surprise you!)

Where you can find Kristen:

Website: https://www.kristenlavalley.com

Substack: https://www.kristenlavalley.substack.com

Instagram: @kristen.lavalley

Kristen's book Even If He Doesn't: https://amzn.to/4gVFImn

(affiliate links used)

Episodes you might enjoy:

https://www.untangledfaithpodcast.com/46-when-narcissism-comes-to-church-guest-chuck-degroat/

https://www.untangledfaithpodcast.com/112-leaving-the-ifb-and-finding-the-real-jesus-guest-ryan-george/

Support the show:

Subscribe to my newsletter: https://untangledfaith.substack.com

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Where you can find me:

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https://untangledfaithpodcast.com

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109: Death of A Dream

Wed, 14 Feb 2024 06:00:00 -0400

In this solo episode of the Untangled Faith podcast, Amy Fritz shares a deeply personal essay about the pain and process of coping with the death of a dream, specifically related to her and her husband's journey with Ramsey Solutions.

"What do you do when you have a dream that dies?" – Amy Fritz

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In this episode Amy talks about

What it feels like to chase a dream
How Jon Acuff's writings and work encouraged them to apply at Ramsey Solutions
What it was like call time of death on a dream

Resources mentioned

This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled
Quitter by Jon Acuff

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108:To Belong or Not: Unpacking the Dilemma of Church Membership

Wed, 07 Feb 2024 06:00:00 -0400

Welcome to Untangled Faith, where we navigate the complex journey of faith and the challenges we face in our spiritual communities. In this episode we're diving deep into the world of church affiliation and the personal implications it carries for believers.

Guests Nathan Fritz, Amanda Turnbull, and Melissa Anne share their comfort (or discomfort) with the idea of church membership as well as some of their backstories that have informed how they approach this topic.

To follow more the Amanda and Melissa's story, check it out here: Burning Butterflies (pod.link)

If you enjoyed this episode, you're going to love this one:

96: The Reshaping of the American Church. Guest: Bob Smietana – Untangled Faith Podcast

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97: When MLMs Come to Church. Guest: Chris Staron

Wed, 27 Sep 2023 11:00:00 -0400

Have you ever had a long-lost friend reach out to connect with you on social media only to discover they really just wanted to sell you something connected to the Multi Level Marketing business they were a part of?

Or maybe you're one of those folks who has been pulled into an MLM and you're drowning.

Or maybe you're worried about a friend who has quit their J O B to do direct sales and you're concerned that they aren't able to pay their bills.

And what in the world does this have to do with Christianity? I can't wait for you to listen!

In this episode, you will be able to:

Unlock the harmful impacts of MLMs on Christian communities and their faith practices.
Deconstruct the cunning methods and marketing lures of MLMs especially crafted for Christians.
Gain insight about the financial risk and losses commonly faced by individuals drawn into MLMs.
Probe the link between MLMs and the prosperity gospel belief widely accepted in Christian contexts.
Highlight the necessity for cultivated thought and vigilance in fending off MLM scheming.

Say hello to Chris Staron, renowned for being unafraid to tackle controversial topics within the church. He brings his thoughtful and fair approach to this discussion as the host of the Truce podcast. Going from historical Christian issues to present-day conundrums such as MLMs, he engenders a deep understanding of the church's dynamics.

The key moments in this episode are: 00:00:03 - The Influence of MLMs in the Church, 00:06:32 - MLMs as Schemes, 00:08:12 - MLMs Targeting Christians, 00:10:48 - MLMs and Faith, 00:12:44 - The Math of MLMs, 00:13:58 - The Structure of Multilevel Marketing, 00:15:33 - Challenges and Inconveniences of MLM, 00:16:49 - MLM and False Promises, 00:19:16 - Limited Market and Financial Challenges, 00:21:37 - MLM Company Profits and Fees, 00:28:51 - The Problem with Disclosures and Fine Print, 00:29:51 - The Responsibility of Believers in Direct Sales, 00:31:46 - The Prosperity Gospel and Financial Curriculums, 00:36:23 - Tying Christianity to Extra Pursuits, 00:39:57 - Understanding and Admitting MLM Involvement, 00:43:00 - Making Bad Financial Decisions, 00:43:46 - Supporting Friends in Financial Distress, 00:45:13 - Helping Others with Budgeting, 00:46:07 - Where to Find More Information, 00:46:51 - Wrapping Up and Future Conversations,

Resources:

Check out the Truce podcast: https://trucepodcast.com
Listen to The Dream podcast about MLMs: https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/the-dream

Episodes you might enjoy:

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com//2023/08/16/91-navigating-the-intersection-of-faith-politics-guest-kaitlyn-schiess/

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2023/09/20/96-the-reshaping-of-the-american-church-guest-bob-smietana/

Support the show:

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This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled

Where you can find me:

Youtube channel- https://youtube.com/channel/UCPfFk-I6QShXXvEpSFaJOvg

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com

https://instagram.com/untangledfaith

https://instagram.com/amyhenningfritz

https://twitter.com/faithuntangled

https://twitter.com/amyfritz

Host/Creator: Amy Fritz

Producers:

Michele Pjanic

Phil and Susan Perdue

Pam Forsythe

Chelle Taylor

95: Does God Really Want To Break You? Guest: Rebecca Davis

Wed, 13 Sep 2023 06:00:00 -0400

Rebecca Davis joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to discuss the complexities of truth, defamation, and the misuse of scripture in addressing suffering and abuse within the church.

"Truth can never be considered slander, even if it's negative." – Rebecca Davis

Check out Rebecca's Trauma Informed Book Coaching program

Subscribe to my newsletter: https://untangledfaith.substack.com

In this episode we

Explore the difference between truth and accusations of slander
Examine the evangelical response to accusations
Hear Rebecca's personal journey in handling difficult stories
Discuss the concept of "brokenness" in religious teachings and it's damaging implications for abuse survivors
Critique the teachings of influential figures on suffering and brokenness, including Nancy Leigh DeMoss Wolgemuth.

Featured Guest

Rebecca Davis

Resources mentioned

This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled
Untwisting Scriptures That Were Used to Tie You Up, Gag You, and Tangle Your Mind: Book 3 Your Words, Your Emotions
Redeeming Power: Understanding Authority and Abuse in the Church
The Lord Is My Courage: Stepping Through the Shadows of Fear Toward the Voice of Love

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94: Lawsuit Update: Hypocrisy and Double Standards at Ramsey Solutions

Wed, 06 Sep 2023 11:00:00 -0400

Lawsuit Update: Hypocrisy and Double Standards at Ramsey Solutions

Explicit content and language warning.

** This is a conversation that was recorded for the Untangled Faith Patreon community in December of 2022. Since it has been about a year since there was much movement in the O'Connor lawsuit, I decided to share this audio publicly. If you hear any mention of "upcoming" dates, keep in mind that this was recorded almost a year ago.**

In this episode of the Untangled Faith podcast, host Amy Fritz is joined by attorney, Melissa Hogan, to discuss the ongoing lawsuits that involve Dave Ramsey's company, Ramsey Solutions (The Lampo Group), and the hypocrisy and double standards within the organization.

Melissa shares from her perspective as an attorney and from her personal experience with Ramsey Solutions in regard to the O'Connor lawsuit.

Melissa and Amy also discuss the inadequate investigation conducted by Ramsey Solutions and shed light on the power dynamics within the organization and the intimidation faced by individuals who challenge the status quo.

This episode serves as a wake-up call to listeners, reminding them of the need for ethical and responsible behavior within organizations.

We should all be living in a way that if a camera was following us around, our goal is to be able to stand by whatever we've said or done. - Melissa Hogan

Resources:

Court documents from the O'Connor Lawsuit https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/17372107/oconnor-v-the-lampo-group-llc/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc
RNS reporting on O'Connor Lawsuit https://religionnews.com/2022/09/02/at-dave-ramseys-company-some--outside-marriage-was-ok-court-documents-show-righteous-living-oral--hogan/
Partial timeline of events, and O'Connor Lawsuit document map. https://untangledfaith.substack.com/p/hypocrisy-and-double-standards-at

Episodes you might enjoy:

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2021/11/03/20-our-ramsey-story-part-4-the-got-your-six-meeting-1-of-2-episodes/

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2021/11/03/21-our-ramsey-story-part-5-the-got-your-six-meeting-2-of-2-episodes/

Support the show:

Subscribe to my newsletter: https://untangledfaith.substack.com

Join us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/untangledfaith

This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled

Where you can find me:

Youtube channel- https://youtube.com/channel/UCPfFk-I6QShXXvEpSFaJOvg

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com

https://instagram.com/untangledfaith

https://instagram.com/amyhenningfritz

https://twitter.com/faithuntangled

https://twitter.com/amyfritz

Host/Creator: Amy Fritz

Producers:

Michele Pjanic

Phil and Susan Perdue

Pam Forsythe

Chelle Taylor

91: Navigating the Intersection of Faith & Politics. Guest: Kaitlyn Schiess

Wed, 16 Aug 2023 11:00:00 -0400

"Read widely and in diverse communities. Challenge your biases and seek out perspectives that differ from your own. This will lead to a better understanding of Scripture and its application to our lives." - Kaitlyn Schiess

While an undergrad at Liberty University, Kaitlyn Schiess detoured from her plan to go to law school after the ideas involved in the intersection of religion and politics captured her attention. That detour led to Dallas Seminary and Duke Divinity School instead of law school and it has lead to two books on the subjects we're not supposed to talk about in polite company: Religion and Politics.

And that's a lucky break for us because Kaitlyn is the perfect person to join the Untangled Faith podcast to talk about this in a way that feels more like an invitation to something better than a challenge to enter a boxing ring.

Key moments from this episode:

Excitement for the New Book, Kaitlyn's Unexpected Path into Religion and Politics, Co-opting the Phrase "City on a Hill", The Importance of Reading Widely and in Community, Exploring Diverse Perspectives through Commentaries, Navigating Political Differences in Christian Community, The History of Cherry Picking Verses, Moving Beyond Cherry Picking, The Bible's Relevance to Political Questions, Seeking Christ-likeness,

Resources:

Purchase Kaitlyn's new book: The Ballot and the Bible. https://amzn.to/3DNVy0L
Follow Kaitlyn: https://kaitlynschiess.com

Episodes you might enjoy:

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2023/08/09/90-historical-cultural-influences-on-evangelicalism-guest-karen-swallow-prior/

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2023/06/14/84-boz-tchividjian-on-fighting-against-abuse-in-the-church/

Support the show:

Subscribe to my newsletter: https://untangledfaith.substack.com

Join us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/untangledfaith

This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled

Where you can find me:

Youtube channel- https://youtube.com/channel/UCPfFk-I6QShXXvEpSFaJOvg

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com

https://instagram.com/untangledfaith

https://instagram.com/amyhenningfritz

https://twitter.com/faithuntangled

https://twitter.com/amyfritz

Host/Creator: Amy Fritz

Producers:

Michele Pjanic

Phil and Susan Perdue

Pam Forsythe

Chelle Taylor

90: Historical & Cultural Influences on Evangelicalism. Guest: Karen Swallow Prior

Wed, 09 Aug 2023 11:00:00 -0400

Dr. Karen Swallow Prior joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to talk about how Stories, Metaphors, and Images have influenced the Evangelical imagination.

We should always be trying to be aware of cultural influences and think about how they shape us as humans. - Karen Swallow Prior

In this episode we:

Discuss the cultural forces that drive evangelical norms.
Learn some context and origin and development of the evangelical faith.
Contend with sentimentality issues complicating the evangelical landscape.
Grapple with the issues of incongruence between the message and the messenger.

Episodes you might enjoy:

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2023/06/28/86-part-1-shiny-happy-people-the-impact-of-iblp-and-bill-gothard-on-the-evangelical-church-guests-kristina-kallman-and-jj-merrick/

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2022/10/26/58-untwisting-scriptures-guest-rebecca-davis/

Resources:

Find Dr. Karen Swallow Prior here: https://substack.com/@karenswallowprior

Buy Karen's book: https://amzn.to/3YqW666

Support the show:

Subscribe to my newsletter: https://untangledfaith.substack.com

Join us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/untangledfaith

This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled

Where you can find me:

Youtube channel- https://youtube.com/channel/UCPfFk-I6QShXXvEpSFaJOvg

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com

https://instagram.com/untangledfaith

https://instagram.com/amyhenningfritz

https://twitter.com/faithuntangled

https://twitter.com/amyfritz

Host/Creator: Amy Fritz

Producers:

Michele Pjanic

Phil and Susan Perdue

Pam Forsythe

Chelle Taylor

87(AUDIO FIX): Shiny Happy People: The Impact of IBLP and Bill Gothard on the Evangelical Church. Guests: Kristina Kallman and JJ Merrick

Thu, 29 Jun 2023 17:29:00 -0400

(If you downloaded this previously, there was a glitch with the audio. Hopefully, it's fixed now!)

Just a quick note at the beginning of this episode to let you know that today's content is not safe for young children. We cover some heavy topics and I'm certain a few cuss words survived the final edit. I also wanted to let you know we cover the topic of abuse and understand this could be triggering for some listeners. Please take care while listening.

In early June, Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets debuted on Amazon Prime.

It reached more viewers in its first 9 days than any Amazon docuseries.

Journalist Selome Hailu reported in an article for Variety, that "measured over the same nine-day period, the series has been responsible for the acquisition of more new Prime Video costumers than any other Amazon docuseries.

While many have been drawn to watch this docuseries because of interest in the Duggar family, once they turn in, they get an education on an organization the Duggars have been closely tied to.

And that organization was founded and led for many years by a man we now know to have been credibly accused of the sexual assault of multiple young women among other abusive behaviors.

On today's episode I'll share some of the history of that organization and some stories from those who participated in one way or another in this community.

JJ Merrick and Kristina Kallman join Amy to share about their experiences with the IBLP and ATIA world.

Episodes you might enjoy:

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2021/10/13/17-our-ramsey-story-part-1-hoping-to-be-chosen/

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2022/10/26/58-untwisting-scriptures-guest-rebecca-davis/

Support the show:

Subscribe to my newsletter: https://untangledfaith.substack.com

Join us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/untangledfaith

This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled

Where you can find me:

Youtube channel- https://youtube.com/channel/UCPfFk-I6QShXXvEpSFaJOvg

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com

https://instagram.com/untangledfaith

https://instagram.com/amyhenningfritz

https://twitter.com/faithuntangled

https://twitter.com/amyfritz

Host/Creator: Amy Fritz

Producers:

Michele Pjanic

Phil and Susan Perdue

Pam Forsythe

Chelle Taylor

86: (Part 1) Shiny Happy People: The Impact of IBLP and Bill Gothard on the Evangelical Church. Guests: Kristina Kallman and JJ Merrick

Wed, 28 Jun 2023 22:00:00 -0400

In early June, Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets debuted on Amazon Prime.

It reached more viewers in its first 9 days than any Amazon docuseries.

While many have been drawn to watch this docuseries because of interest in the Duggar family, once they turn in, they get an education on an organization the Duggars have been closely tied to.

And that organization was founded and led for many years by a man we now know to have been credibly accused of the sexual assault of multiple young women among other abusive behaviors.

On today's episode I'll share some of the history of that organization and some stories from those who participated in one way or another in this community.

JJ Merrick and Kristina Kallman join Amy to share about their experiences with the IBLP and ATIA world.

Support the show:

Subscribe to my newsletter: https://untangledfaith.substack.com

Join us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/untangledfaith

This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled

Where you can find me:

Youtube channel- https://youtube.com/channel/UCPfFk-I6QShXXvEpSFaJOvg

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com

https://instagram.com/untangledfaith

https://instagram.com/amyhenningfritz

https://twitter.com/faithuntangled

https://twitter.com/amyfritz

Host/Creator: Amy Fritz

Producers:

Michele Pjanic

Phil and Susan Perdue

Pam Forsythe

Chelle Taylor

83: Dave Ramsey's Legal Nightmare: Time Share Exit Team Class-Action Lawsuit Deep Dive with Melissa Hogan

Wed, 07 Jun 2023 11:00:00 -0400

Dave Ramsey's Legal Nightmare: Time Share Exit Team Class-Action Lawsuit Deep Dive with Melissa Hogan

Dave Ramsey is facing a class action lawsuit from invested fans who trusted his endorsement of Timeshare Exit Team, a company accused of committing fraud. The case raises questions about what Ramsey knew or should have known, and whether he did due diligence before endorsing the company.

This episode covers:

The controversial partnership between Ramsey Solutions and Timeshare Exit Team.
The legal implications surrounding the class-action lawsuit filed against Dave Ramsey.
The importance of transparency and thorough evaluation in business interactions.
The power of class-action lawsuits in promoting a responsible corporate culture.

My special guest is Amy Fritz, Melissa Hogan

Melissa Hogan is an accomplished lawyer with a career spanning over two decades. Her extensive experience has given her a deep understanding of the legal world, which she shares with listeners on the Untangled Faith podcast. Host Amy Fritz invites Melissa to discuss the recent class-action lawsuit against Dave Ramsey. Melissa simplifies the complex legal issues surrounding the case, helping listeners to better understand its implications.

The key moments in this episode are:

How the Lawsuit was Discovered Allegations Against Timeshare Exit Team Endorsed Local Provider Program Expectations for Ramsey's Response Class Action Lawsuit Timeline

Resources:

Melissa Hogan's article on the Time Share Exit Team Class Action Lawsuit against Dave Ramsey and Ramsey Solutions.

https://melissajhogan.medium.com/breaking-dave-ramsey-sued-by-former-fans-in-class-action-lawsuit-3b92d3cb60d8

Related Episodes:

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2023/02/22/71-in-the-dark-spiritual-and-ethical-implications-of-ramsey-solutions-updated-employee-agreement/

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2022/07/20/48-former-ramsey-solutions-employees-reflect-on-their-experience-with-ramsey-meetings/

Support the show:

Subscribe to my newsletter: https://untangledfaith.substack.com

Join us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/untangledfaith

This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled

Where you can find me:

Youtube channel- https://youtube.com/channel/UCPfFk-I6QShXXvEpSFaJOvg

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com

https://instagram.com/untangledfaith

https://instagram.com/amyhenningfritz

https://twitter.com/faithuntangled

https://twitter.com/amyfritz

Host/Creator: Amy Fritz

Producers:

Michele Pjanic

Phil and Susan Perdue

Pam Forsythe

Chelle Taylor

79: Domestic Violence & Evangelical Churches. Guest: Neil Schori

Wed, 10 May 2023 11:00:00 -0400

Neil Schori joins Amy Fritz to talk about how to recognize when someone is in an abusive relationship or you're interacting with an abuser. This is a crucial conversation for pastors and ministry leaders and anyone who cares about being a safe refuge for those who have been harmed.

Document The Abuse

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Amy and Neil talked about

Signs of unhealthy and unsafe relationships and the importance of supporting affected individuals.
The impact of financial control and the normalization of "permission language" in relationships.
The tragic case of Stacy Peterson and what it teaches us about recognizing abuse.
How misconceptions about abuse, particularly emotional and psychological abuse, persist in both public and faith communities.
The religious perspectives on divorce, particularly in the context of abuse.
The proper counseling approach when dealing with abuse, warning against couples counseling in abuse cases.

Featured Guest

Neil Schori

Resources mentioned

This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled
Document The Abuse

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https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2022/05/11/43-what-weve-gotten-wrong-about-divorce-guest-gretchen-baskerville/

75: Surviving, Healing, & The Pitfalls of Advocacy. Guest: Lori Anne Thompson

Wed, 12 Apr 2023 11:00:00 -0400

Lori Anne and Amy talk through these topics in this episode of the Untangled Faith podcast:

Who is Lori Anne Thompson?

The Three Phases of Recovery

How trauma can't be your whole life

Chronic activation

Finding sustainable ways to give back

Red flags to look for

Becoming what we're against

The power of saying no.

If you want to submit a question for the 2nd-anniversary episode, you can submit a question here: https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/anniversary

Links:

Victim Impact Statement from Lori Anne Thompson regarding Ravi Zacharias:

https://loriannethompson.com/2021/02/08/lori-anne-thompson-victim-impact-statement/

https://loriannethompson.com

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/bulletin/cpac-trump-transgenderism-oscars.html

Truth & Repair: How Trauma Survivors Envision Justice by Judith Herman: https://amzn.to/3mxzx0W

Related Episodes:

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2023/01/25/67-the-secret-to-being-courageous-guest-kj-ramsey/

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2022/09/14/55-a-curious-faith-guest-lore-wilbert/

Support the show:

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This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled

Where you can find me:

Youtube channel- https://youtube.com/channel/UCPfFk-I6QShXXvEpSFaJOvg

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com

https://instagram.com/untangledfaith

https://instagram.com/amyhenningfritz

https://twitter.com/faithuntangled

https://twitter.com/amyfritz

Host/Creator: Amy Fritz

Producers:

Michele Pjanic

Phil and Susan Perdue

Pam Forsythe

Chelle Taylor

72: Unraveling Abuse in the Church: Pete Singer on Third-Party Investigations & Trauma-Informed Practices

Wed, 01 Mar 2023 12:00:00 -0400

Pete Singer, executive director of GRACE, shares about grooming, hidden trauma, being "overly" sensitive to abuse, and the importance of third-party investigations.

"Perpetrators put a lot of effort into being the kind of person who would never do that."

"Being more sensitive may be the product of having more knowledge."

Pete Singer is the Executive Director of GRACE: Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment and an expert on third-party investigations, trauma, and trauma-informed practice.

GRACE: Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment is a nonprofit organization that specializes in safeguarding initiatives to guard against church abuse, sexual abuse in the church.

In this episode, you will learn the following:

1. What misconceptions about perpetrators of abuse do people have, and how can we ensure we are more informed?

2. How does trauma-informed practice apply in churches, and why is it important?

3. How can churches protect possible victims and be transparent and trustworthy in their response to allegations of misconduct?

Links:

https://netgrace.org

SAMHSA's Six Principles of Trauma-Informed Care – Post-Secondary Peer Support Training Curriculum (opentextbc.ca)

Related Episodes:

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2021/11/03/20-our-ramsey-story-part-4-the-got-your-six-meeting-1-of-2-episodes/

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2021/11/03/21-our-ramsey-story-part-5-the-got-your-six-meeting-2-of-2-episodes/

Support the show:

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This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled

Where you can find me:

Youtube channel- https://youtube.com/channel/UCPfFk-I6QShXXvEpSFaJOvg

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com

https://instagram.com/untangledfaith

https://instagram.com/amyhenningfritz

https://twitter.com/faithuntangled

https://twitter.com/amyfritz

Host/Creator: Amy Fritz

Producers:

Michele Pjanic

Phil and Susan Perdue

Pam Forsythe

Chelle Taylor

71: Why You Should Reconsider A Ramsey Solutions Job

Wed, 22 Feb 2023 12:35:00 -0400

Here's why you should reconsider a Ramsey Solutions job.

"If telling the truth is risking the business, you've got a truth problem, not a business problem."- Melissa J. Hogan

Melissa Hogan is an attorney and fan favorite of the Untangled Faith Podcast. She joins Amy Fritz to discuss the implications of new requirements for employees of Ramsey Solutions, and to shine a light on the ethical and spiritual issues surrounding the policies.

Here's what I cover with Melissa Hogan in this episode:

Unethical, spiritual and practical issues surrounding a Christian company's new policies.
Fear tactics and how they are used to control and manage an image, instead of promoting truth and Jesus.
Potential legal challenges and rights surrounding non-disclosure agreements, works-for-hire and non-solicitation clauses, and forced arbitration.

Dave Ramsey's unhealthy work environment has implications for employee rights.

Episode transcript: https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/transcription-3.docx-1.pdf

Links:

Ramsey Solutions Reviews: https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Ramsey-Solutions-Reviews-E355423.htm

https://www.nlrb.gov/news-outreach/news-story/board-rules-that-employers-may-not-offer-severance-agreements-requiring

https://melissajhogan.medium.com/dear-churches-stop-using-ndas-and-other-silencing-strategies-b45b7c8d297c

https://danwatt.org/2022/09/comparing-the-non-disparagements-of-a-christian-workplace/

https://religionnews.com/2022/09/08/ndas-are-a-tool-for-toxic-church-cultures/

Related Episodes:

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2022/08/31/54-silencing-techniques-used-by-churches-and-faith-organizations/

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2022/07/20/47-impression-management-ramsey-solutions-guest-dr-wade-mullen/

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2022/07/20/48-former-ramsey-solutions-employees-reflect-on-their-experience-with-ramsey-meetings/

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com/2022/05/04/42-boz-tchividjian-answers-your-questions-on-g-r-a-c-e-caring-well-churchtoo-ndas/

Support the show:

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This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling- https://faithfulcounseling.com/untangled

Where you can find me:

Youtube channel- https://youtube.com/channel/UCPfFk-I6QShXXvEpSFaJOvg

https://untangledfaithpodcast.com

https://instagram.com/untangledfaith

https://instagram.com/amyhenningfritz

https://twitter.com/faithuntangled

https://twitter.com/amyfritz

Host/Creator: Amy Fritz

Producers:

Michele Pjanic

Phil and Susan Perdue

Pam Forsythe

Chelle Taylor

70: Whistleblowing On The Record: Lori Harding & Lori Adams-Brown's Experience

Wed, 15 Feb 2023 12:00:00 -0400

What happened when Lori Adams-Brown and Lori Harding courageously revealed the truth about abuse of power in the church?

Lori Adams-Brown shares more about speaking on the record with Julie Roys about her experience with Pastor Andy Wood, successor to Rick Warren at Saddleback Church.

Lori Harding shares about speaking on the record with Julie Roys about her experience with Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church. "We do what we can with what we know, and that is a courageous act of faith." -Lori Adams-Brown Lori Adams-Brown and Lori Harding are two courageous women who have gone on the record with a journalist to share their experiences with abusive and unhealthy leaders in the church. They both have a deep love for Jesus and a desire to bring justice and healing to those who have been hurt. Lori Adams-Brown and Lori Harding found the courage to speak out despite the personal risk. In this episode, you will learn the following: 1. What was it like to wait for their stories to be shared? 2. What they would have done differently. 3. Advice to those considering speaking out.

Links:

Lori Harding's story-

https://julieroys.com/podcast/survivor-claims-spiritual-abuse-at-coral-ridge-presbyterian-part-1/

https://julieroys.com/podcast/survivor-claims-spiritual-abuse-at-coral-ridge-presbyterian-part-2/

Lori Adams-Brown story-

https://julieroys.com/alleged-victims-challenge-report-clearing-rick-warren-successor-abuse/

https://julieroys.com/former-staffers-expose-bullying-rick-warren-successor-andy-wood/

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69:Going On The Record with Lori Adams-Brown & Lori Harding: Trust, Trauma & Telling Your Story

Wed, 08 Feb 2023 12:16:00 -0400

"We did this out of love to protect sheep. Exposing the darkness to the light is how it happens." - Lori Adams-Brown

Some of you have a story to tell that you've never told anyone.

And some of you are wondering if that story should find it's way to a journalist.

Where would you go?

How does that even work?

What all goes into the process and what do you need to know to make it out on the other side?

Today I'm joined by two friends who answer those questions as we pull back the curtain to show you what it's like to go on the record for a journalist.

Lori Adams-Brown and Lori Harding are two courageous women who have gone on the record with journalist Julie Roys to share their stories of abuse in the church. In this episode:

1. How they decided to go public with their story of abuse. What was the process like? What were their concerns? How did they navigate the process? 2. The role of investigative journalism in exposing the darkness and restoring the church: How did they choose a reporter? What were the expectations? What was the interview process like? 3. The consequences of speaking out: How did they prepare for the backlash? What were some of the criticisms they faced?

Links:

Lori Harding's story-

https://julieroys.com/podcast/survivor-claims-spiritual-abuse-at-coral-ridge-presbyterian-part-1/

https://julieroys.com/podcast/survivor-claims-spiritual-abuse-at-coral-ridge-presbyterian-part-2/

Lori Adams-Brown story-

https://julieroys.com/alleged-victims-challenge-report-clearing-rick-warren-successor-abuse/

https://julieroys.com/former-staffers-expose-bullying-rick-warren-successor-andy-wood/

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57: Start With Hello. Guest: Shannan Martin

Wed, 28 Sep 2022 17:00:00 -0400

Shannan Martin drops by the Untangled Faith podcast to talk with Amy Fritz about learning how to be a good neighbor. Amy shares how she was afraid Shannan might cause her to get in trouble with Amy's husband's former employer, Dave Ramsey.

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56: Reorganized Religion with Bob Smietana

Wed, 21 Sep 2022 06:00:00 -0400

Bob Smietana swings by the Untangled Faith podcast to talk to Amy about his new book, Reorganized Religion, how he was able to land an interview with Beth Moore that broke the news that she was no longer in the SBC, and his hope for the future of religion.

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Issues facing modern churches
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The Beth Moore interview
The need for organized religion

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Bob Smietana, Religion Journalist

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54: Silencing Strategies Used by Churches and Faith Organizations

Wed, 31 Aug 2022 11:00:00 -0400

Melissa J. Hogan joins Amy to share from Melissa's legal background insights on NDAs, confidentiality agreements, and other forms of silencing techniques that churches or faith-adjacent communities might use.

Links:

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52: When Your Domestic Abuser is A High-Profile Christian. Guest: Naghmeh Panahi

Wed, 17 Aug 2022 11:00:00 -0400

Naghmeh Panahi joins Amy Fritz to share about her experience of being a survivor of domestic violence at the hands of someone that many in the Christian world assumed was a hero.

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51: Celebrities for Jesus. Guest: Katelyn Beaty

Wed, 10 Aug 2022 11:00:00 -0400

Katelyn Beaty joins Amy Fritz for a conversation about what Katelyn learned as she was writing her upcoming book, Celebrities for Jesus: How Personas, Platforms, and Profits Are Hurting the Church.

Topics discussed:

How did Katelyn decide who to reach out to for endorsements for a book like this?

Proximity as an antidote to implosion.

An update on my former pastor who plagiarized most of his sermons and personal stories.

Ghostwriting

Plagiarism

What is the role of the consumer?

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48: Former Ramsey Solutions Employees Reflect on Their Experience with Ramsey Meetings

Wed, 20 Jul 2022 11:15:00 -0400

Kristen Moser and Dan Watt join Amy Fritz to share their experience as former employees of Ramsey Solutions. In this episode, they share what it was like to experience Ramsey Solutions team meetings- particularly when the meetings were used to control a narrative or manage the image of the organization.

[00:02:05] Intro Kristen Moser and Dan Watt

[00:19:10] In what category of listener in the meetings, were Dan and Kristen?

[00:24:19] Discrediting those who speak out.

[00:28:00] The pattern of Dave's meetings.

[00:37:42] Pattern of disparaging spouses.

[00:43:18] Response to January RNS article.

[00:59:51] Dave's demand for loyalty.

[01:00:00] PR spectacles.

[01:03:59] RS's use of NDA's.

[01:10:40] Sensemaking.

Links:

Got Your Six Meeting, Part 1

Got Your Six Meeting, Part 2

Nashville Scene Article

Religion News Service December 2020 article

Religion News Service January 2021 article

Ramsey Response to the RNS article

Liberty University Convocation

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47: Impression Management & Ramsey Solutions. Guest: Dr. Wade Mullen

Wed, 20 Jul 2022 11:00:00 -0400

This episode includes mention of guns and a reference to an assault allegation. Please take care when listening.

Wade Mullen, impression management expert, joins Amy Fritz to share his observations of a Ramsey Solutions employee meeting. Wade Mullen shares how impression management works and points out some specific tactics that some people or organizations may use when they feel like their image is threatened.

Disclaimer: The observations that Dr. Wade Mullen shares are subjective and are his opinions based on his knowledge of impression management. This sort of analysis is most effective when it is done over a long period of time with multiple people reviewing the data.

[00:02:52] Background

[00:06:16] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 1.

[00:13:28] Wade Mullen observations. Appealing to cultural norms and standards. Generational norms.

[00:16:04] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 2.

[00:16:20] Language that stigmatizes others.

[00:18:35] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 3.

[00:19:10] Legitimizing. Comparisons. Define the situation.

[00:24:15] The different categories of people taking in these messages. Condemning the condemner.

[00:28:16] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 4.

[00:28:48] The difficulty of giving critical feedback.

[00:29:27] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 5.

[00:30:21] Wade Mullen observations. Language of self-promotion. Creating the Us v. Them dichotomy.

[00:33:22] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 6. (Mention of assault allegation)

[00:34:08] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 7.

[00:34:25] Condemning the condemner. Exaggeration. Negative events misrepresented.

[00:37:02] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 8.

[00:37:51] Got Your Six meeting clip from May 2019.

[00:38:51] MUM effect.

[00:40:54] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 9.

[00:41:57] Intimidating messaging. Unhealthy preoccupation with the identity at the top.

[00:44:57] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 10.

[00:45:08] Appeal to cultural norms.

[00:45:49] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 11.

[00:47:16] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 12.

[00:48:33] What are we called to be loyal to?

[00:50:14] Ad break

[00:51:19] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 13.

[00:51:43] Self-promotion and organizational promotion.

[00:53:30] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 14.

[00:55:47] Prosocial behavior. Distancing.

[00:57:02] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 15.

[00:58:24] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 16.

[00:59:38] Stigmatizing.

[01:00:27] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 17.

[01:02:23] Belittling legitimate concerns.

[01:03:31] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 18.

[01:05:38] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 19.

[01:06:10] Is there a freedom to express concerns?

[01:07:26] Advice for those in this sort of environment. Sensemaking.

[01:11:56] Advice for organizations.

Resources:

Wade Mullen

Cubicles of Charm, Crucibles of Condemnation

Erving Goffman book.

Something's Not Right: Decoding the Hidden Tactics of Abuse--and Freeing Yourself from Its Power

Nashville Scene Article

Daily Beast Article

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46: When Narcissism Comes to Church. Guest: Chuck DeGroat

Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:00:00 -0400

Author, licensed therapist, spiritual director, and speaker Chuck DeGroat joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith Podcast.

Chuck DeGroat is the author of the book When Narcissism Comes to Church which came out in 2020. The paperback edition releases soon making this a perfect time for a conversation with him on the podcast.

Amy and Chuck talk about all things narcissism including the many faces of narcissism in faith communities, what systemic narcissism looks like, and what to do when you hear reports that a leader you admire has hurt someone. How do you know what is true?

Time stamps:

[00:03:13] Amy's experience on the launch team for Chuck's book, When Narcissism Comes to Church.

[00:04:48] What is narcissism?

[00:06:53] Systemic narcissism

[00:11:58] Do our church systems attract narcissistic leaders?

[00:17:21] How does Chuck deal with resistance from pastors to seeing their own unhealth?

[00:18:40] Suggestions for those who want to build healthy faith communities

[00:24:50] Different ways narcissism presents itself.

[00:28:13] What if someone tells me they have had painful experiences with a pastor who is kind to me?

[00:31:40] Encouragement to leaders to be proactive in regard to their church culture health.

[00:37:05] False vulnerability and performative vulnerability.

00:43:26] In a complex situation, how do you differentiate between who is the victim and who is the abuser?

Resources:

When Narcissism Comes to Church

GRACE

Narcissism and the System it Breeds by Dr. Diane Langberg

Redeeming Power

A Church Called Tov

Something's Not Right

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43: What We've Gotten Wrong About Divorce. Guest: Gretchen Baskerville

Wed, 11 May 2022 11:00:00 -0400

Gretchen Baskerville joins Amy Fritz to talk about Gretchen's book The Life Saving Divorce.

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Divorce Saves Lives

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Abuse in Religious Homes

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42: Boz Tchividjian answers your questions on G.R.A.C.E, Caring Well, #churchtoo, & NDAs

Wed, 04 May 2022 11:00:00 -0400

Boz Tchividjian, attorney and advocate for abuse survivors joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith podcast to answer your questions.

What's his origin story as an attorney?

The origins of GRACE.

Thoughts on the Us v Them messaging from many churches.

NDAs

Who is the Ronan Farrow or Jody Kantor of #churchtoo reporting?

Who did Billy Graham vote for? (Just kidding. Boz didn't completely clear this one up for us!)

Links:

Sexual Abuse Attorney For Victims | Boz Tchividjian Sexual Abuse Lawyer (bozlawpa.com)

GRACE:

GRACE (netgrace.org)

Diane Langberg at the Caring Well Conference:

Suffering and the Heart of God: How Trauma Destroys and Christ Restores - Diane Langberg on Vimeo

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Winter Inside the Church and Hope for Spring - Boz Tchividjian on Vimeo

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39: The Problem with Financial Peace University & the Ramsey Solutions Financial Rhetoric

Wed, 13 Apr 2022 11:00:00 -0400

Links:

D.L. Mayfield, The Myth of the American Dream

Dan Watt- Why Write About Lampo?

Dan Watt- Getting a Mortgage with no credit score

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24: Our Ramsey Story, Part 8: Just a Shot Across the Bow

Wed, 01 Dec 2021 12:00:00 -0400

Greg and Lauren Thoman join Amy to share their account of how their lives were upended by Ramsey Solutions leadership in May of 2020. This is the 8th episode in this series about Ramsey Solutions. Patreon Membership Community. Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith

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23: Our Ramsey Story, Part 7: Shots Fired

Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:00:00 -0400

Nathan and Amy talk about the lengths Ramsey Solutions leadership went to in their attempts to silence them, including gathering up their friends to malign them and reaching out to their current employer. Patreon Membership Community. Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith

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22: Our Ramsey Story, Part 6: Cut the Ties. Send a Flare into the Night

Wed, 17 Nov 2021 12:00:00 -0400

Nathan and Amy share about the the year after Nathan resigned from his job at Ramsey Solutions. Links: Julie Roys Podcast Michael Hyatt Podcast Organizational Narcissism and Virtuous Behavior I Got Your Six Leaving Ramsey Solutions Patreon Membership Community. Full Audio of the Got Your Six Meeting Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith

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21: Our Ramsey Story, Part 5: The Got Your Six Meeting (2 of 2 episodes)

Wed, 03 Nov 2021 11:00:00 -0400

Melissa J. Hogan joins Amy to respond to Dave Ramsey's characterization of Melissa and Melissa's marriage in a meeting he led for all of his team members in May of 2019. This episode may be triggering to people who have experienced abuse and subsequent secondary trauma from attempting to report and/or ask for help. Patreon Membership Community. Full Audio of the Got Your Six Meeting Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith

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20: Our Ramsey Story, Part 4, The Got Your Six Meeting (1 of 2 episodes)

Wed, 03 Nov 2021 11:00:00 -0400

Amy Fritz and Melissa J. Hogan dissect the Ramsey Solutions "Got Your Six" team meeting that was held in May of 2019 soon after Amy's husband, Nathan, resigned. Patreon Membership Community. Full Audio of the Got Your Six Meeting Perry Noble Fired. Mark Driscoll fired from Mars Hill. Bill Hybels fired from Willow Creek. Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith

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19: Our Ramsey Story, Part 3: Everything Falls Apart

Wed, 27 Oct 2021 11:00:00 -0400

Nathan and Amy talk about what happened when Amy's friend suddenly stopped communicating with anyone and how Amy's determination to make sure her friend was okay led her to stumbling across information that led to the end of Nathan's employment at Ramsey Solutions. Links: Statements from Melissa J. Hogan Blog post about Nathan's exit from Ramsey Our Story of Leaving Ramsey Solutions Patreon Membership Community. Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith

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18: Our Ramsey Story, Part 2: Spies, Cash, Fear and Rich People Habits

Wed, 20 Oct 2021 11:00:00 -0400

Amy and Nathan Fritz share part 2 of their experience with the Ramsey Solutions Organization. In this episode they talk about:

Differences in accepting the culture between spouses who marry in to the company as opposed to those who were already married when their spouse was hired.
The Daily Beast article/Twittergate.
The time Amy thought she was going to get Nathan fired by leaving a comment on a blog post.
Jon Acuff's resignation.
The Ramsey Christmas Party.
What happened when they lost the Best Place to Work contest.

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17: Our Ramsey Story, Part 1, Hoping To Be Chosen

Wed, 13 Oct 2021 11:00:00 -0400

Amy Fritz shares part 1 of the story of their family's experience with Ramsey Solutions, Dave Ramsey's Company. Article Amy went on the record for in January 2021. Ramsey Solutions Interview Process. Entreleadership book. Patreon Membership Community. Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith

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12: The Cost of Being a Bystander Who Speaks Out & Impression Management and Ramsey Solutions. Guest: Wade Mullen

Wed, 28 Jul 2021 11:00:00 -0400

Dr. Wade Mullen joins Amy for the second part of their conversation about impression management in Christian institutions. They talk about the cost of being a bystander who chooses to speak, Mullen's hope for the future, and Mullen does an analysis of the Ramsey Solutions response to a request for comment on an article they were planning to run. You can find the Religion News Service Article here. The Ramsey Solutions response is here. Links: Wade Mullen's website. Mullen's dissertation. Wade on Twitter. Wade's book, Something's Not Right: Decoding the Hidden Tactics of Abuse and Freeing Yourself from its Power. The Presentation of Self in Everyday Life Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith

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11: Impression Management in Abusive Organizations with Wade Mullen, Part 1

Wed, 21 Jul 2021 11:00:00 -0400

Author, speaker, and professor, Dr. Wade Mullen, joins Amy Fritz for a conversation about impression management. In 2018, Mullen earned a PhD in leadership and did his dissertation on how evangelical organizations use impression management strategies in the wake of an image-threatening event. He specifically focused on Mars Hill Church, Sovereign Grace Ministries (now Sovereign Grace Churches), and Bob Jones University for his dissertation. In this episode Mullen shares the red flags of organizations using impression management in an abusive way, why it's so hard for leaders/organizations to apologize, and the role of a bystander. Links: Wade Mullen's website. Mullen's dissertation. Wade on Twitter. Wade's book, Something's Not Right: Decoding the Hidden Tactics of Abuse and Freeing Yourself from its Power. The Presentation of Self in Everyday Life Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith

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9: How We Realized We Were in an Unhealthy Organization, Part 2. Guest: Melissa J. Hogan

Wed, 07 Jul 2021 11:00:00 -0400

This episode is part 2 of the conversation that Amy Fritz and Melissa Hogan started in the previous episode. Amy shares more of what she was seeing in Ramsey Solutions that felt very similar to news of scandal with other Christian ministries and leaders. In this conversation Melissa and Amy talk about over two dozen resources they found helpful in recognizing and processing abusive and/or unhealthy organizations, understanding the hurdles whistle-blowers have to telling the truth, and the voices that gave them courage to speak up. You can find the full list of resources at the podcast website: Untangled Faith Podcast Links: Boz Tchividjian, Abuse Survivor Advocate/Attorney Julie Roys Diane Langberg: Narcissism and the System it Breeds Afraid of the Doctor Melissa J. Hogan, her story Melissa J. Hogan on Twitter Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith

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8: How We Realized We Were in an Unhealthy Organization. Guest: Melissa J. Hogan

Wed, 30 Jun 2021 11:00:00 -0400

Amy Fritz is joined by Melissa J. Hogan for a conversation about how they realized they were connected to an unhealthy organization. Melissa is an author of the upcoming book Afraid of the Doctor. She's also a lawyer, rare disease awareness advocate, and she consults on clinical trial design and patient outcome measures. In other words, she's brilliant. Amy and Melissa met when Melissa's husband at the time, and Nathan, Amy's husband, were working at Ramsey Solutions. In this episode they talk about how the events happening in the Evangelical world in 2018 and 2019, along with different strategic resources, helped to open their eyes red flags in the organization. Links: The Way of the Dragon of the Way of the Lamb PhD dissertation from Wade Mullen Bill Hybels abuse report James MacDonald reporting by Julie Roys Rachael Denhollander speaks up about abuse at Sovereign Grace Boz Tchividjian, Abuse Survivor Advocate/Attorney Julie Roys Diane Langberg: Narcissism and the System it Breeds The Body Keeps the Score Afraid of the Doctor Steve Hassan, cult expert Melissa J. Hogan Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith

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5: Promoting A Goodness Culture in the Church. Guest: Scot McKnight and Laura Barringer

Wed, 12 May 2021 06:00:00 -0400

Dr. Scot McKnight and Laura Barringer join Amy to talk about how Laura encouraged Scot to use his platform to speak up for the women who had been abused by Bill Hybels and how they later wrote a book together to advocate for healthier church communities

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In this episode

Bill Hybels scandal
What lead Scot and Laura to write a Church Called Tov
Advice for ministry leaders
Culture change dynamics
Wounded Resisters
The cost of speaking up
A church that is doing it right

Featured Guest

Dr. Scot McKnight and Laura Barringer

Resources mentioned

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A Church Called Tov: Forming a Goodness Culture That Resists Abuses of Power and Promotes Healing. https://amzn.to/4j79Dtm
New York Times Bill Hybels article: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/05/us/bill-hybels-willow-creek-pat-baranowski.html?unlocked_article_code=1.nE4.ShTC.5BNAC4fNGhwv&smid=url-share

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2: Pastoral Plagiarism and Part 2 of Colleen's Story

Wed, 21 Apr 2021 11:00:00 -0400

On Episode 2 of the Untangled Faith Podcast, Dr. Gary David Stratton joins Amy Fritz to discuss pastoral plagiarism. Mary DeMuth joins us again to talk about what healing looks like on the other side of spiritual abuse, and we hear the second part of Colleen's story of what happened after discovering that her pastor had plagiarized hundreds of sermons. Links: Episode 1: Recognizing Spiritual Abuse and Part 1 of Colleen's Story Honesty Matters: The Problem of Pastoral Plagiarism Ask Bob: What should I do about a pastor who is plagiarizing sermons? Gary Stratton Mary DeMuth We Too: How The Church can Respond Redemptively to the Sexual Abuse Crisis. Wade Mullen CH Spurgeon Lectures to my Students Find us here: Twitter: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Instagram: Amy Fritz Untangled Faith Website: Untangled Faith Support the show (https://buymeacoffee.com/untangledfaith)

1: Recognizing Spiritual Abuse & Part 1 of Colleen's Story

Wed, 14 Apr 2021 11:00:00 -0400

On the first episode of The Untangled Faith Podcast, Amy has a conversation with author and speaker, Mary DeMuth about the characteristics of a spiritually abusive environment. We also hear from the first in our series of wounded resisters as Colleen shares part 1 of her story of discovering her pastor was hiding a big secret from their congregation.

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Introducing the Untangled Faith Podcast

Mon, 29 Mar 2021 23:00:00 -0400

If you've ever found yourself hurt or disillusioned by your faith journey and wanted to hold onto your faith while untangling it from all the things that aren't good or true, this is the podcast for you.

We're sharing the hard and hopeful stories. We're talking about what happens when deep hurts collide with our faith experience. We're exploring what it means to be a wounded resisters hanging on to our faith.

And we're talking about what hope looks like on the other side. Join us for season 1 of Untangled Faith, coming April 14 2021.

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