<![CDATA[We've Got To Talk]]>cf256a46-9450-536b-baf0-b6a4e14f5fb8Wed, 27 May 2026 07:00:08 +0000Captivate.fmNicole Fonarow and Jolene Conwayhttps://artwork.captivate.fm/c2638259-6d7a-4f88-9364-b7ef7f0eba69/lAaze5Wg5g7FoUzCVSn-i5ht.jpgWe've Got To TalkNicole Fonarow and Jolene ConwayNicole Fonarow and Jolene ConwayOur story begins in the halls of the University of Iowa, go Hawks! It was there that two seemingly different paths intersected and a friendship blossomed. Despite our different upbringings—Jolene in little Pleasantville, Iowa, and me, Nicole, just across the Golden Gate Bridge in the bustling Bay Area—we became fast friends. And here we are, almost 40 years later, living in a world that often seems intent on drawing lines in the sand and choosing sides. So why "We've Got To Talk"? Because we truly believe that in this deeply divided society, the power of conversation can unite us. Our goal isn't to change each other's opinions, but to listen with curiosity, kindness, and empathy. And yes, to have a good time while doing it! We invite you to join us on this journey and bring your friends along. We might not have all the answers or any of them—but we promise honesty, empathy, and a lot of heart. We hope our conversations give you a fresh outlook or at least entertain you as you go about your day.https://weve-got-to-talk.captivate.fmtrueepisodicnopodcast“Bashing Trump” vs “Sanewashing Trump”: An Interview with Issac Saul of Tangle News“Bashing Trump” vs “Sanewashing Trump”: An Interview with Issac Saul of Tangle NewsWhat happens when you try to tell the truth in a world that only wants team loyalty?

In this episode, we talk with Isaac Saul, founder of Tangle, the independent, non-partisan politics newsletter that summarises the best arguments from the left and the right. Isaac wrote a “plea for help” email after conservatives accused Tangle of bashing Trump while liberals accused it of sanewashing Trump, often in response to the exact same newsletter.

We take a look at why the current political division feels different now, and how the media ecosystem rewards outrage, certainty, and tribalism. Isaac breaks down why “picking a side” is often the most profitable model in modern media, and what it costs the rest of us, our relationships, our mental health, and our ability to talk to family and friends who disagree with us.

We also get into something surprisingly powerful: language. Isaac explains how tiny word choices can trigger instant assumptions of political bias, and how Tangle created its own editorial standards to keep readers from rage-quitting before they even reach the arguments.

Finally, we talk about whether we’ve hit “peak indecency,” and what might actually bring a decency comeback in politics and culture.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:21 Meet Isaac Saul (Tangle News Founder)

02:15 Why Political Polarisation Feels Worse Right Now

05:21 Media Incentives: Why Outrage and “Pick a Side” Content Wins

07:09 Toxic Comment Sections and Cancel Culture

12:24 Did COVID Accelerate Division? Doomscrolling, Isolation, and Social Media

19:16 Neutral Language in Journalism: Tangle’s Editorial Standards Explained

22:39 Why Polls Skew Left: Conservatives Less Likely to Answer Surveys

24:02 NPR / Public Radio Surge

26:54 Writing With Integrity: Staying Honest Without Feeding Tribalism

30:57 AI, Misinformation, and the Hope for a “Decency Comeback” in Politics

36:02 Would You Rather

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

This American Life Tangle Episode: https://www.thisamericanlife.org/845/a-small-thing?ref=readtangle.com

Issac Saul with David French:

https://youtu.be/fxAKXuvMXcw?si=FpOYfAVa2IdIMkaA

Issac Saul TED Talk:

https://youtu.be/543mYKKh1EE?si=-wUgGLuSZ1LK5ygI

GOOD FOR THE SOUL:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45031831-one-long-river-of-song

Our Website:


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>What happens when you try to tell the truth in a world that only wants team loyalty?

In this episode, we talk with Isaac Saul, founder of Tangle, the independent, non-partisan politics newsletter that summarises the best arguments from the left and the right. Isaac wrote a “plea for help” email after conservatives accused Tangle of bashing Trump while liberals accused it of sanewashing Trump, often in response to the exact same newsletter.

We take a look at why the current political division feels different now, and how the media ecosystem rewards outrage, certainty, and tribalism. Isaac breaks down why “picking a side” is often the most profitable model in modern media, and what it costs the rest of us, our relationships, our mental health, and our ability to talk to family and friends who disagree with us.

We also get into something surprisingly powerful: language. Isaac explains how tiny word choices can trigger instant assumptions of political bias, and how Tangle created its own editorial standards to keep readers from rage-quitting before they even reach the arguments.

Finally, we talk about whether we’ve hit “peak indecency,” and what might actually bring a decency comeback in politics and culture.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:21 Meet Isaac Saul (Tangle News Founder)

02:15 Why Political Polarisation Feels Worse Right Now

05:21 Media Incentives: Why Outrage and “Pick a Side” Content Wins

07:09 Toxic Comment Sections and Cancel Culture

12:24 Did COVID Accelerate Division? Doomscrolling, Isolation, and Social Media

19:16 Neutral Language in Journalism: Tangle’s Editorial Standards Explained

22:39 Why Polls Skew Left: Conservatives Less Likely to Answer Surveys

24:02 NPR / Public Radio Surge

26:54 Writing With Integrity: Staying Honest Without Feeding Tribalism

30:57 AI, Misinformation, and the Hope for a “Decency Comeback” in Politics

36:02 Would You Rather

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

This American Life Tangle Episode: https://www.thisamericanlife.org/845/a-small-thing?ref=readtangle.com

Issac Saul with David French:

https://youtu.be/fxAKXuvMXcw?si=FpOYfAVa2IdIMkaA

Issac Saul TED Talk:

https://youtu.be/543mYKKh1EE?si=-wUgGLuSZ1LK5ygI

GOOD FOR THE SOUL:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45031831-one-long-river-of-song

Our Website:


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>5e057963-e20a-4cb8-8b94-250d1076cd6bWed, 27 May 2026 03:00:00 -040042:38truefull6868How Postpartum Medicaid Went From 60 Days to a Year in WisconsinHow Postpartum Medicaid Went From 60 Days to a Year in WisconsinFourteen Wisconsinites from opposite sides of the abortion debate sat down together for a three-day Builders Movement Citizen Solutions session on abortion and family wellbeing. This wasn’t a panel or a debate for show. It was a practical, structured process with trained facilitators and a clear framework, designed to help people hear each other properly and figure out what could actually change in real life, not just online.

What they landed on was surprisingly concrete: extending Medicaid postpartum coverage in Wisconsin from 60 days to a full year. In March 2026, the policy passed almost unanimously, and Governor Tony Evers signed it into law. This means more moms getting treatment for postpartum depression, more women getting care when something goes wrong after birth, and more families supported during the months when everything is raw, expensive, and exhausting.

But the story behind that win is not tidy. One participant, Ali (a progressive Democrat and elected official in Madison), admitted she walked in suspicious, worried it would be conflict-as-entertainment. Kai, an independent who describes herself as a “world citizen,” trusted the referral and believed the process could work. Kateri, a Catholic who prefers “consistent life ethic,” feared being flattened into a stereotype, and she didn’t sugar-coat how hard it was to feel understood in a room full of strangers on a topic this loaded.

This is the part we don’t talk about enough: real dialogue is uncomfortable, and “common ground” doesn’t magically appear because everyone’s being polite. It takes time, relationship, and a willingness to stay in the room when it gets tense. Still, this group proved something important, that even when people can’t agree on everything, they can sometimes agree on what families need, and push through the politics to get a real policy solution across the line.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:31 Builders Movement Intro

01:30 Meet The Participants

03:52 Ali Joins With Skepticism

05:47 Kai On Trust And Dialogue

07:21 Three Day Solution Session

11:12 Trauma And Finding Empathy

13:58 Relationship Building Debate

24:37 Men In The Room

25:59 Choosing Medicaid Extension

27:22 Wraparound Support Systems

30:12 Partisan Pushback and Perseverance

33:25 Backlash and Unfinished Work

36:08 Good for the Soul Picks

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Builders Movement: https://buildersmovement.org/

Citizen Solutions Wisconsin: http://citizensolutions.us/citizensolutions/wi

GOOD FOR THE SOUL:

Ali’s: My Friends by Friedrich Bachman

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/217163697-my-friends

Kateri’s - East of Eden by John Steinbeck https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4406.East_of_Eden

Kai’s - Hammersmith Odeon Concerts https://www.concertarchives.org/venues/hammersmith-odeon

Our Website:


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>Fourteen Wisconsinites from opposite sides of the abortion debate sat down together for a three-day Builders Movement Citizen Solutions session on abortion and family wellbeing. This wasn’t a panel or a debate for show. It was a practical, structured process with trained facilitators and a clear framework, designed to help people hear each other properly and figure out what could actually change in real life, not just online.

What they landed on was surprisingly concrete: extending Medicaid postpartum coverage in Wisconsin from 60 days to a full year. In March 2026, the policy passed almost unanimously, and Governor Tony Evers signed it into law. This means more moms getting treatment for postpartum depression, more women getting care when something goes wrong after birth, and more families supported during the months when everything is raw, expensive, and exhausting.

But the story behind that win is not tidy. One participant, Ali (a progressive Democrat and elected official in Madison), admitted she walked in suspicious, worried it would be conflict-as-entertainment. Kai, an independent who describes herself as a “world citizen,” trusted the referral and believed the process could work. Kateri, a Catholic who prefers “consistent life ethic,” feared being flattened into a stereotype, and she didn’t sugar-coat how hard it was to feel understood in a room full of strangers on a topic this loaded.

This is the part we don’t talk about enough: real dialogue is uncomfortable, and “common ground” doesn’t magically appear because everyone’s being polite. It takes time, relationship, and a willingness to stay in the room when it gets tense. Still, this group proved something important, that even when people can’t agree on everything, they can sometimes agree on what families need, and push through the politics to get a real policy solution across the line.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:31 Builders Movement Intro

01:30 Meet The Participants

03:52 Ali Joins With Skepticism

05:47 Kai On Trust And Dialogue

07:21 Three Day Solution Session

11:12 Trauma And Finding Empathy

13:58 Relationship Building Debate

24:37 Men In The Room

25:59 Choosing Medicaid Extension

27:22 Wraparound Support Systems

30:12 Partisan Pushback and Perseverance

33:25 Backlash and Unfinished Work

36:08 Good for the Soul Picks

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Builders Movement: https://buildersmovement.org/

Citizen Solutions Wisconsin: http://citizensolutions.us/citizensolutions/wi

GOOD FOR THE SOUL:

Ali’s: My Friends by Friedrich Bachman

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/217163697-my-friends

Kateri’s - East of Eden by John Steinbeck https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4406.East_of_Eden

Kai’s - Hammersmith Odeon Concerts https://www.concertarchives.org/venues/hammersmith-odeon

Our Website:


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>77fed6f6-ac53-4347-acca-44406f1c3f89Wed, 20 May 2026 03:00:00 -040046:04truefull6767Builders, Not Dividers: Voting for Character Over PartyBuilders, Not Dividers: Voting for Character Over PartyIn a world that rewards outrage, it can feel safer to avoid politics, religion, and money altogether. But the silence doesn’t fix anything, it just pushes the tension into Facebook fights, family dinners, and comment sections where people forget there’s a real human on the other side. In this conversation with Stacy Blakeley, Executive Director of the Builders Movement, we talk about how “us vs them” thinking became normal, and why it’s keeping the thoughtful majority stuck on the sidelines.

The Builders Movement is a citizen-first movement built to push back on the outrage industrial complex and rebuild civil dialogue in real life. Stacy explains why Builders isn’t a think tank with an agenda, it’s a movement that starts by listening, polling, and meeting people where they are, then creating guardrails so conversations don’t spiral into “everything is broken.” The goal is practical: get citizens back in the driver’s seat, and build solutions from common ground without pretending differences don’t exist.

We also dig into Citizen Solutions, the Builders program that brings a carefully selected group of everyday people across race, income, and politics into a two-day, facilitated process to practice good conflict and find actionable policy solutions. Stacy shares what this looked like in Tennessee (including the documentary Tennessee 11) and in Wisconsin, where citizens helped drive legislation to extend postpartum Medicaid coverage, proof that the system can move when regular people stay in it long enough.

Finally, we talk about the Builders mindset and the four C’s: curiosity, creativity, courage, and compassion. We unpack why people are often kinder in person than online, how algorithms fuel tribalism, and why the real problem isn’t “the other side,” it’s an incentive system that rewards extremes. If you’re tired of the circus and wondering what you can actually do, this is your reminder: small groups change the world, and it starts with staying human.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Friends Across Politics: Liberal vs Conservative civil discourse

01:08 What Is the Builders Movement? Ending “us vs them” political division

02:53 Fighting Outrage Culture: social media algorithms and the outrage economy

04:20 Citizen Solutions Explained: bipartisan dialogue that leads to real policy

05:26 Tennessee 11: guns, polarization, and finding common ground

08:11 Wisconsin Win: postpartum Medicaid extension (citizen-led legislation)

10:50 Texas Healthcare Solutions: affordability, access, and practical reform

13:29 Local vs National Impact: civic engagement that scales from communities

19:38 Builders Mindset: the Four C’s (curiosity, creativity, courage, compassion)

23:27 Rewarding Builders in Politics: voting for character over party

29:37 Builders Index + C4: rating candidates as Builder vs Divider

32:51 Voting Beyond Party: independents, open-minded voters, and reform

35:11 Broken Incentives: donors, PACs, lobbying power, and extremism

36:01 Citizen Solutions Hope: why everyday citizens can still change the system

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Builders Movement: https://buildersmovement.org/

Tennessee 11 Documentary Trailer: https://youtu.be/p-drQKzz2q0?si=ulCjPJeR5xHXtXLl

Bridge Grades: https://www.bridgegrades.org/

Builders Texas Primary Campaign- Turn out or rollover: https://youtu.be/va4dmwxtqXE?si=JqNGa5KdokVFV9yh

Ben Sasse 60 Minutes: https://youtu.be/dDveT8OesWA?si=-gfjZB6j7RHA-kn0

Political Integrity Substack: https://politicalintegrity.us/

Good for the Soul: Raye “Joy”: https://youtu.be/taHYtEGxLnw?si=NpLgzbEJTMapPfMU and the live performance: https://youtu.be/2scS3s_I050?si=bkp9PLF9Mz6AilmR

Our Website:


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>In a world that rewards outrage, it can feel safer to avoid politics, religion, and money altogether. But the silence doesn’t fix anything, it just pushes the tension into Facebook fights, family dinners, and comment sections where people forget there’s a real human on the other side. In this conversation with Stacy Blakeley, Executive Director of the Builders Movement, we talk about how “us vs them” thinking became normal, and why it’s keeping the thoughtful majority stuck on the sidelines.

The Builders Movement is a citizen-first movement built to push back on the outrage industrial complex and rebuild civil dialogue in real life. Stacy explains why Builders isn’t a think tank with an agenda, it’s a movement that starts by listening, polling, and meeting people where they are, then creating guardrails so conversations don’t spiral into “everything is broken.” The goal is practical: get citizens back in the driver’s seat, and build solutions from common ground without pretending differences don’t exist.

We also dig into Citizen Solutions, the Builders program that brings a carefully selected group of everyday people across race, income, and politics into a two-day, facilitated process to practice good conflict and find actionable policy solutions. Stacy shares what this looked like in Tennessee (including the documentary Tennessee 11) and in Wisconsin, where citizens helped drive legislation to extend postpartum Medicaid coverage, proof that the system can move when regular people stay in it long enough.

Finally, we talk about the Builders mindset and the four C’s: curiosity, creativity, courage, and compassion. We unpack why people are often kinder in person than online, how algorithms fuel tribalism, and why the real problem isn’t “the other side,” it’s an incentive system that rewards extremes. If you’re tired of the circus and wondering what you can actually do, this is your reminder: small groups change the world, and it starts with staying human.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Friends Across Politics: Liberal vs Conservative civil discourse

01:08 What Is the Builders Movement? Ending “us vs them” political division

02:53 Fighting Outrage Culture: social media algorithms and the outrage economy

04:20 Citizen Solutions Explained: bipartisan dialogue that leads to real policy

05:26 Tennessee 11: guns, polarization, and finding common ground

08:11 Wisconsin Win: postpartum Medicaid extension (citizen-led legislation)

10:50 Texas Healthcare Solutions: affordability, access, and practical reform

13:29 Local vs National Impact: civic engagement that scales from communities

19:38 Builders Mindset: the Four C’s (curiosity, creativity, courage, compassion)

23:27 Rewarding Builders in Politics: voting for character over party

29:37 Builders Index + C4: rating candidates as Builder vs Divider

32:51 Voting Beyond Party: independents, open-minded voters, and reform

35:11 Broken Incentives: donors, PACs, lobbying power, and extremism

36:01 Citizen Solutions Hope: why everyday citizens can still change the system

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Builders Movement: https://buildersmovement.org/

Tennessee 11 Documentary Trailer: https://youtu.be/p-drQKzz2q0?si=ulCjPJeR5xHXtXLl

Bridge Grades: https://www.bridgegrades.org/

Builders Texas Primary Campaign- Turn out or rollover: https://youtu.be/va4dmwxtqXE?si=JqNGa5KdokVFV9yh

Ben Sasse 60 Minutes: https://youtu.be/dDveT8OesWA?si=-gfjZB6j7RHA-kn0

Political Integrity Substack: https://politicalintegrity.us/

Good for the Soul: Raye “Joy”: https://youtu.be/taHYtEGxLnw?si=NpLgzbEJTMapPfMU and the live performance: https://youtu.be/2scS3s_I050?si=bkp9PLF9Mz6AilmR

Our Website:


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>b75baddc-8191-4221-bb9f-38be54ccf7f0Wed, 13 May 2026 03:00:00 -040055:56truefull6666“Us vs Them” Has Taken Over American Politics“Us vs Them” Has Taken Over American PoliticsPolitics has started to feel like a loyalty test, not a conversation. Say one thing that is not perfectly on script for your “side” and people act like you have betrayed the whole team. The problem is not that we disagree. The problem is that we have built a culture where curiosity looks weak, changing your mind feels dangerous, and being loud gets rewarded.

A lot of the nastiness is being fuelled by the “our side versus their side” mindset. Headlines get treated like weapons. People post for points, not understanding. Social media makes it easy to react to a clip, assume the worst, and decide you already know what kind of person someone is. In real life, when you are face to face, it is harder to hate someone you actually know.

Labels do not help either. “Liberal.” “Conservative.” “Christian.” “Atheist.” They can help you find community, but they can also trap you there. Once you pick a label, you are expected to perform it perfectly. And if you leave room for nuance, you risk being shamed, bullied, or written off. That is how we end up with more certainty and less thinking.

So where do we go from here? Smaller than people want. It starts with the next comment you almost leave, the next assumption you almost make, the next time you feel that rush of righteousness. Pause. Ask a question instead of throwing a punch. And if you can, get to know someone in real life who thinks differently from you, not to convert them, just to remember what it feels like to talk to a person instead of a stereotype.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Welcome + “Where Do We Go From Here?” in American Politics

00:48 The Rage Economy: Why Politics Feels Mean and Exhausting

01:33 Changing Your Mind: Why Admitting You’re Wrong Feels Risky

02:18 “Our Side Has to Win”: The Us vs Them Mindset

03:28 Trump Voters, Regret, and the Two-Choices Reality

04:56 The Exhausted Middle: Extremes on Both Sides and Political Fatigue

05:05 Social Media Algorithms: Why Outrage Gets Rewarded

08:04 Comment Sections vs Real Life

10:16 Belonging and Identity

15:33 Media Trust + Isaac Saul (Tangle) and the Cost of Being Fair

17:38 Staying Curious When It’s Uncomfortable

19:00 Accountability: Me Too, Complicity, and Protecting the Tribe

24:16 Menopause for President

26:16 The Enemies Project: Seeing Each Other’s Humanity Again

31:59 Wrap Up + Subscribe and Share

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Eric Swallwell video: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DXKWBRbFH76/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Good for the Soul:

The Enemies Project https://www.instagram.com/reel/DXKWBRbFH76/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

Our Website: https://www.wevegottotalk.com/

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>Politics has started to feel like a loyalty test, not a conversation. Say one thing that is not perfectly on script for your “side” and people act like you have betrayed the whole team. The problem is not that we disagree. The problem is that we have built a culture where curiosity looks weak, changing your mind feels dangerous, and being loud gets rewarded.

A lot of the nastiness is being fuelled by the “our side versus their side” mindset. Headlines get treated like weapons. People post for points, not understanding. Social media makes it easy to react to a clip, assume the worst, and decide you already know what kind of person someone is. In real life, when you are face to face, it is harder to hate someone you actually know.

Labels do not help either. “Liberal.” “Conservative.” “Christian.” “Atheist.” They can help you find community, but they can also trap you there. Once you pick a label, you are expected to perform it perfectly. And if you leave room for nuance, you risk being shamed, bullied, or written off. That is how we end up with more certainty and less thinking.

So where do we go from here? Smaller than people want. It starts with the next comment you almost leave, the next assumption you almost make, the next time you feel that rush of righteousness. Pause. Ask a question instead of throwing a punch. And if you can, get to know someone in real life who thinks differently from you, not to convert them, just to remember what it feels like to talk to a person instead of a stereotype.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Welcome + “Where Do We Go From Here?” in American Politics

00:48 The Rage Economy: Why Politics Feels Mean and Exhausting

01:33 Changing Your Mind: Why Admitting You’re Wrong Feels Risky

02:18 “Our Side Has to Win”: The Us vs Them Mindset

03:28 Trump Voters, Regret, and the Two-Choices Reality

04:56 The Exhausted Middle: Extremes on Both Sides and Political Fatigue

05:05 Social Media Algorithms: Why Outrage Gets Rewarded

08:04 Comment Sections vs Real Life

10:16 Belonging and Identity

15:33 Media Trust + Isaac Saul (Tangle) and the Cost of Being Fair

17:38 Staying Curious When It’s Uncomfortable

19:00 Accountability: Me Too, Complicity, and Protecting the Tribe

24:16 Menopause for President

26:16 The Enemies Project: Seeing Each Other’s Humanity Again

31:59 Wrap Up + Subscribe and Share

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Eric Swallwell video: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DXKWBRbFH76/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Good for the Soul:

The Enemies Project https://www.instagram.com/reel/DXKWBRbFH76/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

Our Website: https://www.wevegottotalk.com/

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>c3b1663f-4de1-421a-9a73-d8f83cfc77f0Wed, 06 May 2026 03:00:00 -040033:08truefull6565What is a Sanctuary City and how do they work?What is a Sanctuary City and how do they work?Sanctuary cities are one of those topics that instantly makes people get their haunches up ready to “defend their side.” It’s either a lawless open border or a necessary humanitarian shield. But the truth is far more nuanced (and historical) than a political soundbite. Nicole (liberal) and Jolene (conservative) look past the headlines to figure out what "sanctuary" actually means in practice and how a religious movement from the 1980s became the flashpoint for today’s culture wars.

We get into the history that most people have forgotten, starting with the 1980s sanctuary movement in Arizona churches. We talk about how immigration policy shifted from a labor issue to a criminal justice issue in the 90s, and why the "Deporter-in-Chief" title belongs to a president that might surprise you. Is the current system built for safety, or is it just a bureaucratic maze that leaves everyone on both sides of the aisle feeling frustrated?

Then there’s the practical reality of local policing. We talk about why some police departments actually prefer sanctuary policies to build community trust, and the tension that creates when violent offenders fall through the cracks. If the goal is community safety, how do we balance federal law with local needs without turning every city into a political battlefield?

Finally, we zoom out to the human side of the American dream. We talk about quotas, the "lottery" of citizenship, and why "common sense" is so hard to find in Washington. These are the conversations we have to have if we ever want to move past the shouting and find some common ground.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

02:07 Hot Takes from Liberal and Conservative on Sanctuary Cities

04:10 The 1980s Sanctuary Movement: It Started in the Church

09:00 The 1996 IIRAIRA Act: Moving from Labor to Criminal Justice

12:00 Secure Communities & The Obama Era Deportations

14:50 How Fingerprinting and ICE Holds Actually Work

17:30 Why Cities Choose Sanctuary Status

22:50 The Republican Perspective on Repeat Offenders

27:30 The American Dream vs. Political Quotas

31:00 Can We Fix the Path to Citizenship?

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Historical Origins of the Sanctuary Movement


Legal Framework & Policy Definitions


The Obama Era & Enforcement Legacy


Multimedia & Visual Explaners


Our Website:


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

Our Website: https://www.wevegottotalk.com/

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>Sanctuary cities are one of those topics that instantly makes people get their haunches up ready to “defend their side.” It’s either a lawless open border or a necessary humanitarian shield. But the truth is far more nuanced (and historical) than a political soundbite. Nicole (liberal) and Jolene (conservative) look past the headlines to figure out what "sanctuary" actually means in practice and how a religious movement from the 1980s became the flashpoint for today’s culture wars.

We get into the history that most people have forgotten, starting with the 1980s sanctuary movement in Arizona churches. We talk about how immigration policy shifted from a labor issue to a criminal justice issue in the 90s, and why the "Deporter-in-Chief" title belongs to a president that might surprise you. Is the current system built for safety, or is it just a bureaucratic maze that leaves everyone on both sides of the aisle feeling frustrated?

Then there’s the practical reality of local policing. We talk about why some police departments actually prefer sanctuary policies to build community trust, and the tension that creates when violent offenders fall through the cracks. If the goal is community safety, how do we balance federal law with local needs without turning every city into a political battlefield?

Finally, we zoom out to the human side of the American dream. We talk about quotas, the "lottery" of citizenship, and why "common sense" is so hard to find in Washington. These are the conversations we have to have if we ever want to move past the shouting and find some common ground.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

02:07 Hot Takes from Liberal and Conservative on Sanctuary Cities

04:10 The 1980s Sanctuary Movement: It Started in the Church

09:00 The 1996 IIRAIRA Act: Moving from Labor to Criminal Justice

12:00 Secure Communities & The Obama Era Deportations

14:50 How Fingerprinting and ICE Holds Actually Work

17:30 Why Cities Choose Sanctuary Status

22:50 The Republican Perspective on Repeat Offenders

27:30 The American Dream vs. Political Quotas

31:00 Can We Fix the Path to Citizenship?

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Historical Origins of the Sanctuary Movement


Legal Framework & Policy Definitions


The Obama Era & Enforcement Legacy


Multimedia & Visual Explaners


Our Website:


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

Our Website: https://www.wevegottotalk.com/

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>149d4bf7-6ce1-4198-8f14-257511902c8fWed, 29 Apr 2026 03:00:00 -040046:23truefull6464Is AI Progress or Poison?Is AI Progress or Poison?AI is one of those topics that makes people speak in absolutes: it’s either going to save us or destroy us. But the truth is simpler (and scarier): AI is already everywhere. It’s in your phone, your inbox, your car… it’s everywhere. In this episode, Nicole (liberal) and Jolene (conservative) talk about what happens when artificial intelligence stops being a future headline and starts becoming a daily habit without clear guardrails, shared rules, or conversations about the trade-offs.

We get into the part that no one seems fully ready for: people forming emotional attachments to AI. From AI companions to chatbots that “listen” and affirm, it’s not hard to see how vulnerable people, especially teenagers, could start relying on AI for companionship, validation, or advice. Is that harmless? Helpful? Or a quiet mental health risk we’re sleepwalking into? We don’t pretend to have all the answers, but we do think this is one of the biggest human questions hiding inside the tech story.

Then there’s the global AI arms race; competition, power, and the pressure to “win” at all costs. We talk about AI regulation, privacy, labor, safety, and the environmental impact of scaling AI fast. If speed becomes the only goal, what gets sacrificed along the way? And how do politics shape this conversation when AI doesn’t fit neatly into the usual left vs right boxes?

We also talk about real-world AI you can’t ignore anymore, like self-driving cars like Waymo. The promise is obvious: fewer accidents and fewer human errors. But when machines make strange decisions, it hits a nerve, because we expect technology to be flawless.

Finally, we zoom out to the bigger question: what happens to creativity and art in the age of AI-generated music, stories, and “AI slop”? Will “human-made” become a premium label? Watch, listen, and tell us where you land—because the future is being built whether we participate or not.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:23 Why Talk AI Now

01:26 Home Robots Are Coming

04:21 Defining AI And Limits

05:27 Emotional Intimacy Risks

07:14 ChatGPT In Real Life

11:37 When AI Gets It Wrong

13:46 AI Race And Environment

23:31 Innovation And Fear

24:45 Artists Versus AI

25:28 AI Podcast Irony

27:13 AI Music Without Breath

28:21 Human Made Comeback

29:33 Waymo Safety Stories

34:33 Regulation And Incentives

39:29 Human Partnership Mindset

40:54 Would You Rather AI Edition

44:28 Wrap Up And Farewell

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

White House Response: https://www.whitehouse.gov/priorities/tech-innovation/

Waymo: https://waymo.com/

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/dec/02/sam-altman-issues-code-red-at-openai-as-chatgpt-contends-with-rivals

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwy7vrd8k4eo

https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/story/ai-has-environmental-problem-heres-what-world-can-do-about

Claude: https://claude.ai

Neo Robot:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1346749566932432

https://www.1x.tech/neo

youtube.com/watch?si=_5IHpQWBO0vxGS9T&v=j31dmodZ-5c&feature=youtu.be

Impact of AI data centres on the environment:

https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/story/ai-has-environmental-problem-heres-what-world-can-do-about

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

Our Website: https://www.wevegottotalk.com/

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>AI is one of those topics that makes people speak in absolutes: it’s either going to save us or destroy us. But the truth is simpler (and scarier): AI is already everywhere. It’s in your phone, your inbox, your car… it’s everywhere. In this episode, Nicole (liberal) and Jolene (conservative) talk about what happens when artificial intelligence stops being a future headline and starts becoming a daily habit without clear guardrails, shared rules, or conversations about the trade-offs.

We get into the part that no one seems fully ready for: people forming emotional attachments to AI. From AI companions to chatbots that “listen” and affirm, it’s not hard to see how vulnerable people, especially teenagers, could start relying on AI for companionship, validation, or advice. Is that harmless? Helpful? Or a quiet mental health risk we’re sleepwalking into? We don’t pretend to have all the answers, but we do think this is one of the biggest human questions hiding inside the tech story.

Then there’s the global AI arms race; competition, power, and the pressure to “win” at all costs. We talk about AI regulation, privacy, labor, safety, and the environmental impact of scaling AI fast. If speed becomes the only goal, what gets sacrificed along the way? And how do politics shape this conversation when AI doesn’t fit neatly into the usual left vs right boxes?

We also talk about real-world AI you can’t ignore anymore, like self-driving cars like Waymo. The promise is obvious: fewer accidents and fewer human errors. But when machines make strange decisions, it hits a nerve, because we expect technology to be flawless.

Finally, we zoom out to the bigger question: what happens to creativity and art in the age of AI-generated music, stories, and “AI slop”? Will “human-made” become a premium label? Watch, listen, and tell us where you land—because the future is being built whether we participate or not.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:23 Why Talk AI Now

01:26 Home Robots Are Coming

04:21 Defining AI And Limits

05:27 Emotional Intimacy Risks

07:14 ChatGPT In Real Life

11:37 When AI Gets It Wrong

13:46 AI Race And Environment

23:31 Innovation And Fear

24:45 Artists Versus AI

25:28 AI Podcast Irony

27:13 AI Music Without Breath

28:21 Human Made Comeback

29:33 Waymo Safety Stories

34:33 Regulation And Incentives

39:29 Human Partnership Mindset

40:54 Would You Rather AI Edition

44:28 Wrap Up And Farewell

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

White House Response: https://www.whitehouse.gov/priorities/tech-innovation/

Waymo: https://waymo.com/

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/dec/02/sam-altman-issues-code-red-at-openai-as-chatgpt-contends-with-rivals

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwy7vrd8k4eo

https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/story/ai-has-environmental-problem-heres-what-world-can-do-about

Claude: https://claude.ai

Neo Robot:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1346749566932432

https://www.1x.tech/neo

youtube.com/watch?si=_5IHpQWBO0vxGS9T&v=j31dmodZ-5c&feature=youtu.be

Impact of AI data centres on the environment:

https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/story/ai-has-environmental-problem-heres-what-world-can-do-about

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

Our Website: https://www.wevegottotalk.com/

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>10930e9d-e90b-4475-8167-44ca979ac437Wed, 22 Apr 2026 03:00:00 -040045:16truefull6363Republican vs Democrat Views of Trump: What the Beyond MAGA Report RevealsRepublican vs Democrat Views of Trump: What the Beyond MAGA Report RevealsIn this episode, we dig into the “Beyond MAGA” report from More in Common and why it matters heading into the November midterms. If you spend any time online, you would think Trump voters are one giant, identical block of people. Angry, extreme, predictable. But that is not what the data shows. This report breaks the Trump coalition into more nuanced groups like MAGA Hardliners, Anti-Woke Conservatives, Mainstream Republicans, and the Reluctant Right, and that alone changes the conversation.

We talk about what actually shapes political identity inside the Republican coalition, including faith, distrust in institutions, community identity, and the feeling that traditional beliefs are often dismissed or mocked. Instead of flattening Trump supporters into one stereotype, we look at the deeper emotional and cultural forces behind why people vote the way they do, and why the liberal view of Trump voters often misses that complexity.

Immigration and “wokeness” are two of the biggest themes we unpack. The report shows that many Trump supporters are not anti-immigrant in the simplistic way they are often portrayed. Many hold positive views toward legal immigration while also feeling frustrated by disorder and a system they no longer trust. We also talk about how cultural messaging, tone, and performative politics have shaped the Republican vs liberal divide around Trump, especially when people feel talked down to rather than understood.

At the heart of this episode is a bigger question about political stereotypes, media narratives, and what happens to democracy when we stop being curious about each other. We do not all agree, but we do share more underlying frustrations than people want to admit. If we want a healthier political culture before the November midterms, we need less screaming, less certainty, and a lot more honesty about what is really driving voters on both sides.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction: Beyond MAGA, Trump Voters, and the November Midterms

00:28 Beyond MAGA Report Breakdown

01:41 Why Nuance Matters in Republican vs Liberal Conversations

03:23 Trump Voter Types Quiz: MAGA Hardliners, Mainstream Republicans and More

04:50 Beyond MAGA Methodology: Can This Trump Voter Research Be Trusted?

07:49 Immigration and Trump Voters: Perception vs Reality

11:07 Legal vs Illegal Immigration Debate in the Republican Coalition

16:12 What Drove the Trump Vote? Faith, Distrust, and Cultural Frustration

18:30 Trump Coalition of Frustrations: Why Voters Feel Let Down

20:11 Single-Issue Voting and the 2026 Midterms

21:36 Religion, Identity, and Why Faith Feels Countercultural

22:33 Loneliness, Belonging, and Political Identity in America

23:16 Democrats, the Working Class, and Why Voters Feel Abandoned

24:40 Wokeness Debate: Media, Culture, and Anti-Woke Conservatives

27:23 Why Americans Hate Their Political Opponents

28:24 Cancel Culture, Political Nuance, and the Liberal vs Conservative Divide

30:34 New Media, Political Change, and Hope for 2028

33:00 Would You Rather: Final Thoughts on MAGA, Midterms, and Political Identity

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

https://www.moreincommon.com/

https://moreincommonus.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/More-in-Common-Beyond-MAGA-A-Profile-of-the-Trump-Coalition-Jan-2026-Wave-6.pdf

https://san.com/

https://www.mo.news/

https://www.readtangle.com/

Our Website:


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

Our Website: https://www.wevegottotalk.com/

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/,

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>In this episode, we dig into the “Beyond MAGA” report from More in Common and why it matters heading into the November midterms. If you spend any time online, you would think Trump voters are one giant, identical block of people. Angry, extreme, predictable. But that is not what the data shows. This report breaks the Trump coalition into more nuanced groups like MAGA Hardliners, Anti-Woke Conservatives, Mainstream Republicans, and the Reluctant Right, and that alone changes the conversation.

We talk about what actually shapes political identity inside the Republican coalition, including faith, distrust in institutions, community identity, and the feeling that traditional beliefs are often dismissed or mocked. Instead of flattening Trump supporters into one stereotype, we look at the deeper emotional and cultural forces behind why people vote the way they do, and why the liberal view of Trump voters often misses that complexity.

Immigration and “wokeness” are two of the biggest themes we unpack. The report shows that many Trump supporters are not anti-immigrant in the simplistic way they are often portrayed. Many hold positive views toward legal immigration while also feeling frustrated by disorder and a system they no longer trust. We also talk about how cultural messaging, tone, and performative politics have shaped the Republican vs liberal divide around Trump, especially when people feel talked down to rather than understood.

At the heart of this episode is a bigger question about political stereotypes, media narratives, and what happens to democracy when we stop being curious about each other. We do not all agree, but we do share more underlying frustrations than people want to admit. If we want a healthier political culture before the November midterms, we need less screaming, less certainty, and a lot more honesty about what is really driving voters on both sides.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction: Beyond MAGA, Trump Voters, and the November Midterms

00:28 Beyond MAGA Report Breakdown

01:41 Why Nuance Matters in Republican vs Liberal Conversations

03:23 Trump Voter Types Quiz: MAGA Hardliners, Mainstream Republicans and More

04:50 Beyond MAGA Methodology: Can This Trump Voter Research Be Trusted?

07:49 Immigration and Trump Voters: Perception vs Reality

11:07 Legal vs Illegal Immigration Debate in the Republican Coalition

16:12 What Drove the Trump Vote? Faith, Distrust, and Cultural Frustration

18:30 Trump Coalition of Frustrations: Why Voters Feel Let Down

20:11 Single-Issue Voting and the 2026 Midterms

21:36 Religion, Identity, and Why Faith Feels Countercultural

22:33 Loneliness, Belonging, and Political Identity in America

23:16 Democrats, the Working Class, and Why Voters Feel Abandoned

24:40 Wokeness Debate: Media, Culture, and Anti-Woke Conservatives

27:23 Why Americans Hate Their Political Opponents

28:24 Cancel Culture, Political Nuance, and the Liberal vs Conservative Divide

30:34 New Media, Political Change, and Hope for 2028

33:00 Would You Rather: Final Thoughts on MAGA, Midterms, and Political Identity

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

https://www.moreincommon.com/

https://moreincommonus.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/More-in-Common-Beyond-MAGA-A-Profile-of-the-Trump-Coalition-Jan-2026-Wave-6.pdf

https://san.com/

https://www.mo.news/

https://www.readtangle.com/

Our Website:


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

Our Website: https://www.wevegottotalk.com/

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/,

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>c337b704-1400-47e8-9431-f503df4b61f9Wed, 15 Apr 2026 03:00:00 -040036:29truefull6262This NYC Protest Shocked Us: “Death to America” and What It MeansThis NYC Protest Shocked Us: “Death to America” and What It MeansWe’re taking on one of the hardest questions in public life right now: where is the line between free speech, hate speech, and political extremism? What started as a reaction to protest footage from Washington Square Park turned into a much bigger conversation about modern activism, public outrage, and the way protest movements can shift from justice and grief into something more tribal, performative, and deeply unsettling.

We talk about how quickly fear and ignorance can turn into hatred, and how anti-Semitism, anti-Muslim sentiment, and political dehumanization keep gaining ground when people stop seeing each other as human beings. This episode looks at the emotional climate behind extremism, the danger of treating entire groups as symbols, and why hate grows so easily in environments driven by anger, misinformation, and identity politics. It is not just about what people are saying at protests. It is about what happens when outrage becomes a culture.

We also explore the conservative and liberal views of protest culture in America. Jolene shares why many conservatives see large-scale street protest as more closely tied to the political left, while I (Nicole) reflect on how the internet, media amplification, and organised messaging have changed the nature of activism altogether. We get into political funding, online radicalization, protest movements, groupthink, and the way social media can turn legitimate causes into ideological theatre almost overnight.

At the center of this episode is a deeper concern about free speech in America and whether public debate is still possible when every disagreement feels morally loaded. We do not pretend to have neat answers, but we do ask the questions that matter: when does protest stop helping, when does rhetoric become dangerous, and how do we push back against extremism without losing the values that make open societies worth protecting?

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:25 Political Extremism, Protests, and Free Speech in America

00:49 Washington Square Park Protest Reaction

02:03 Hate Speech, Extremism, and Public Outrage

04:56 How Protest Movements Gain Power and Momentum

10:30 Who Funds Activism and Political Protest Movements

13:30 Hate Speech vs Free Speech: Where Is the Line?

17:10 Do Protests Actually Change Anything?

20:34 Dark Money, Political Funding, and Protest Strategy

22:56 How Republicans Mobilise Without Protest Culture

23:22 Protest as Community, Belonging, and Identity

23:53 The Money Behind Activism and Organised Movements

25:57 Trad Wife Media, Online Messaging, and Cultural Influence

28:47 Confusion, Radicalisation, and How People Get Pulled In

33:18 Dehumanisation, Hate, and the Rise of Extremism

35:09 Podcast Recommendation and 544 Days of Perspective

37:26 The Personal Toll of Political Division

38:41 Would You Rather: Free Speech, Hate, and Moral Trade-Offs

41:07 Final Thoughts on Protest Culture, Extremism, and Free Speech

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Washington Square Park Protest: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DV5CHOADH2J/?igsh=YXhiMjJ0bHVuYmhl

Mo News - Americans Morally Bad:

https://www.instagram.com/p/DWCnC0wicdw/

Nate Friedman Show:

https://www.instagram.com/p/DVxOUD_jJbj/

544 Days Podcast:

https://crooked.com/podcast-series/544-days/

Our Website:


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

Our Website: https://www.wevegottotalk.com/

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/,

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>We’re taking on one of the hardest questions in public life right now: where is the line between free speech, hate speech, and political extremism? What started as a reaction to protest footage from Washington Square Park turned into a much bigger conversation about modern activism, public outrage, and the way protest movements can shift from justice and grief into something more tribal, performative, and deeply unsettling.

We talk about how quickly fear and ignorance can turn into hatred, and how anti-Semitism, anti-Muslim sentiment, and political dehumanization keep gaining ground when people stop seeing each other as human beings. This episode looks at the emotional climate behind extremism, the danger of treating entire groups as symbols, and why hate grows so easily in environments driven by anger, misinformation, and identity politics. It is not just about what people are saying at protests. It is about what happens when outrage becomes a culture.

We also explore the conservative and liberal views of protest culture in America. Jolene shares why many conservatives see large-scale street protest as more closely tied to the political left, while I (Nicole) reflect on how the internet, media amplification, and organised messaging have changed the nature of activism altogether. We get into political funding, online radicalization, protest movements, groupthink, and the way social media can turn legitimate causes into ideological theatre almost overnight.

At the center of this episode is a deeper concern about free speech in America and whether public debate is still possible when every disagreement feels morally loaded. We do not pretend to have neat answers, but we do ask the questions that matter: when does protest stop helping, when does rhetoric become dangerous, and how do we push back against extremism without losing the values that make open societies worth protecting?

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:25 Political Extremism, Protests, and Free Speech in America

00:49 Washington Square Park Protest Reaction

02:03 Hate Speech, Extremism, and Public Outrage

04:56 How Protest Movements Gain Power and Momentum

10:30 Who Funds Activism and Political Protest Movements

13:30 Hate Speech vs Free Speech: Where Is the Line?

17:10 Do Protests Actually Change Anything?

20:34 Dark Money, Political Funding, and Protest Strategy

22:56 How Republicans Mobilise Without Protest Culture

23:22 Protest as Community, Belonging, and Identity

23:53 The Money Behind Activism and Organised Movements

25:57 Trad Wife Media, Online Messaging, and Cultural Influence

28:47 Confusion, Radicalisation, and How People Get Pulled In

33:18 Dehumanisation, Hate, and the Rise of Extremism

35:09 Podcast Recommendation and 544 Days of Perspective

37:26 The Personal Toll of Political Division

38:41 Would You Rather: Free Speech, Hate, and Moral Trade-Offs

41:07 Final Thoughts on Protest Culture, Extremism, and Free Speech

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Washington Square Park Protest: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DV5CHOADH2J/?igsh=YXhiMjJ0bHVuYmhl

Mo News - Americans Morally Bad:

https://www.instagram.com/p/DWCnC0wicdw/

Nate Friedman Show:

https://www.instagram.com/p/DVxOUD_jJbj/

544 Days Podcast:

https://crooked.com/podcast-series/544-days/

Our Website:


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

Our Website: https://www.wevegottotalk.com/

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/,

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>b5b7ad89-52dc-4702-8ceb-a09f08da10b0Wed, 08 Apr 2026 03:00:00 -040039:12truefull6161Australia’s Under-16 Social Media Ban vs. US Bell-to-Bell Phone Bans in SchoolsAustralia’s Under-16 Social Media Ban vs. US Bell-to-Bell Phone Bans in SchoolsTwo big stories have been sitting with us. Australia moving to ban social media for kids under 16, and U.S. schools rolling out “bell to bell” phone bans. Australia’s move is bold, and we don’t think anyone believes it will be perfect. Enforcement will be messy, there will be loopholes, and kids will try to get around it. But we still respect the statement it makes. It forces the conversation into the open and signals that constant, unsupervised access to algorithm-driven platforms is not a harmless childhood right. It is a risk, and adults need to stop pretending otherwise.

Then there’s the U.S. “bell to bell” ban conversation, and it feels like another version of the same awakening. Not “put it on silent” or “keep it in your bag,” but actual phone-free school days. The point isn’t that adults hate technology. It’s that teachers are watching attention, learning, and social skills take a hit in real time. And when phones are removed from the classroom equation, something simple but powerful happens. Kids talk, play, make eye contact, and teachers report fewer distractions and more present students.

In this episode, Jolene and I also talk about what these bans can and cannot do. A school ban can change the day, but kids still go home to devices. A social media ban can shift norms, but it won’t teach digital judgement on its own. That’s why we keep coming back to the bigger question: what does a healthier relationship with tech actually look like, and how do we build it on purpose? We would love to hear your take in the comments. Do you think Australia’s under-16 social media ban will help, or backfire? And should more U.S. schools go “bell to bell”?

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Intro

02:02 Australia ban: covered platforms and expectation of glitches/workarounds

03:38 Early workaround example and Meta removing underage accounts in Australia

04:12 Online Safety Act timeline; no accounts under 16; can still browse without accounts

05:22 Rationale: limiting algorithm-driven targeting and mental health harms

07:10 Verification and enforcement: “reasonable steps,” accountability, and potential $30M fines

10:16 Shift to US: 35 states + DC adopting bell-to-bell school phone bans

12:02 Bipartisan dynamics, safety/shooting concerns, and workarounds

15:25 Alternatives: flip phones, pagers/payphones; key stats on depression/sleep and public support

17:52 Tech leaders restricting their own kids’ phone/social media use

23:00 Broader reflection: problem-solving skills and attention in an always-online world

26:20 Parenting boundaries: phones in rooms, supervised computer use, and saying no

28:24 Nuance on school bans: concern about teaching responsible use vs. total prohibition

30:13 Proposal: “digital citizenship” education alongside restrictions

31:27 Discipline burden on teachers; varied state/school rules; request for educator feedback

34:14 Surgeon General warning-label idea; debate over shame vs. action; multi-pronged solutions

36:12 Safety concerns: predators and kids’ platforms like Roblox

37:19 Social media design as addiction

40:22 Modeling behavior: adults on phones and kids seeking attention

42:04 Partisanship hypothetical: potential backlash if Trump pushed a phone-ban policy

44:07 Closing takeaways: learn from Australia

47:10 Would-you-rather questions; choosing YouTube as the one app

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-12-04/when-is-the-teen-social-media-ban-what-apps-are-banned/106086152

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-11-19/roblox-brings-in-age-checks-ahead-of-australian-ban/106025742

https://ministers.education.gov.au/clare/school-behaviour-improving-after-mobile-phone-ban-and-vaping-reforms

Good for the Soul:

https://www.instagram.com/weatheradam/?hl=en

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>Two big stories have been sitting with us. Australia moving to ban social media for kids under 16, and U.S. schools rolling out “bell to bell” phone bans. Australia’s move is bold, and we don’t think anyone believes it will be perfect. Enforcement will be messy, there will be loopholes, and kids will try to get around it. But we still respect the statement it makes. It forces the conversation into the open and signals that constant, unsupervised access to algorithm-driven platforms is not a harmless childhood right. It is a risk, and adults need to stop pretending otherwise.

Then there’s the U.S. “bell to bell” ban conversation, and it feels like another version of the same awakening. Not “put it on silent” or “keep it in your bag,” but actual phone-free school days. The point isn’t that adults hate technology. It’s that teachers are watching attention, learning, and social skills take a hit in real time. And when phones are removed from the classroom equation, something simple but powerful happens. Kids talk, play, make eye contact, and teachers report fewer distractions and more present students.

In this episode, Jolene and I also talk about what these bans can and cannot do. A school ban can change the day, but kids still go home to devices. A social media ban can shift norms, but it won’t teach digital judgement on its own. That’s why we keep coming back to the bigger question: what does a healthier relationship with tech actually look like, and how do we build it on purpose? We would love to hear your take in the comments. Do you think Australia’s under-16 social media ban will help, or backfire? And should more U.S. schools go “bell to bell”?

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Intro

02:02 Australia ban: covered platforms and expectation of glitches/workarounds

03:38 Early workaround example and Meta removing underage accounts in Australia

04:12 Online Safety Act timeline; no accounts under 16; can still browse without accounts

05:22 Rationale: limiting algorithm-driven targeting and mental health harms

07:10 Verification and enforcement: “reasonable steps,” accountability, and potential $30M fines

10:16 Shift to US: 35 states + DC adopting bell-to-bell school phone bans

12:02 Bipartisan dynamics, safety/shooting concerns, and workarounds

15:25 Alternatives: flip phones, pagers/payphones; key stats on depression/sleep and public support

17:52 Tech leaders restricting their own kids’ phone/social media use

23:00 Broader reflection: problem-solving skills and attention in an always-online world

26:20 Parenting boundaries: phones in rooms, supervised computer use, and saying no

28:24 Nuance on school bans: concern about teaching responsible use vs. total prohibition

30:13 Proposal: “digital citizenship” education alongside restrictions

31:27 Discipline burden on teachers; varied state/school rules; request for educator feedback

34:14 Surgeon General warning-label idea; debate over shame vs. action; multi-pronged solutions

36:12 Safety concerns: predators and kids’ platforms like Roblox

37:19 Social media design as addiction

40:22 Modeling behavior: adults on phones and kids seeking attention

42:04 Partisanship hypothetical: potential backlash if Trump pushed a phone-ban policy

44:07 Closing takeaways: learn from Australia

47:10 Would-you-rather questions; choosing YouTube as the one app

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-12-04/when-is-the-teen-social-media-ban-what-apps-are-banned/106086152

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-11-19/roblox-brings-in-age-checks-ahead-of-australian-ban/106025742

https://ministers.education.gov.au/clare/school-behaviour-improving-after-mobile-phone-ban-and-vaping-reforms

Good for the Soul:

https://www.instagram.com/weatheradam/?hl=en

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>9b702d8f-8175-424f-aca1-9e862afc6988Wed, 01 Apr 2026 03:00:00 -040041:23truefull6060The Epstein Files and the elite with no accountabilityThe Epstein Files and the elite with no accountabilityThe Epstein files are not just a scandal or a “true crime” story. They are a mirror held up to power, privilege, and the way exploitation can hide in plain sight when the right people are involved.

We take a look at why this story is bigger than Jeffrey Epstein as an individual. The most disturbing part is not only what he did, but how long he operated, how many doors opened for him, and how an entire ecosystem of access, money, and silence helped protect him. This is where the conversation turns into something deeper about class, credibility, and why the hyper-elite often seem to live by different rules than everyone else.

We also talk about the darker details that keep resurfacing, including the New Mexico “Zorro Ranch,” the eugenics angle, and the broader network of enablers that made Epstein’s world possible. And we ask the question that hangs over all of it. Will we ever know the full truth, the kind that maps the networks clearly and holds people accountable, not just the version that gets turned into gossip and outrage?

Most importantly, we refuse to let this become a partisan weapon. This is not a left issue or a right issue. It is a human issue about whether justice is selective, whether accountability is optional for the wealthy and connected, and whether victims are treated as disposable. We want to hear your thoughts. What should accountability look like here, and do you believe we will ever get the full truth?

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Welcome

00:23 Epstein Files Intro

00:52 Three Hot Takes on Epstein Files

04:51 Bipartisan Outrage

07:21 How He Got Away

08:58 Epstein Origin Story

09:51 Wexner And Teen Culture

14:25 Elite Money Blindness

17:07 Plea Deal And Death

19:04 New Mexico Eugenics

20:02 Why No One Talks

21:59 Philanthropy And Complicity

23:15 Bill Gates Example

24:29 Power Sex And Access

25:08 Peter Attia Email Scandal

26:34 Power Over Sex

27:39 Hypersexualization Debate

29:56 Epstein Files Politics

35:32 Evidence And Accountability

38:11 Would You Rather

40:52 Final Thanks



RESOURCES MENTIONED:


The Epstein Files (Politics, subpoenas, and the current fallout)

  1. NYT (Feb 12, 2026): Epstein files overview / political angle
  2. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/12/us/politics/epstein-files.html?unlocked_article_code=1.RFA.Ks_d.pTEwL-KfzLEH&smid=url-share
  3. NYT (Mar 4, 2026): Pam Bondi subpoena related to the Epstein files
  4. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/04/us/politics/pam-bondi-subpoena-epstein-files.html?unlocked_article_code=1.RFA.ev5r.I-KWB7-Gs8oP&smid=url-share

New Mexico / Zorro Ranch (location + operations)

  1. NYT (Mar 1, 2026): Epstein’s New Mexico “Zorro Ranch”
  2. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/01/us/jeffrey-epstein-new-mexico-zorro-ranch.html?unlocked_article_code=1.RFA.taQs.mfGbZ_Gv_DZe&smid=url-share

Medical network / enablers (doctors)

  1. NYT (Feb 28, 2026): Epstein and doctors
  2. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/28/us/jeffrey-epstein-doctors.html?unlocked_article_code=1.RFA.DT50.a3Mt3jihkdRH&smid=url-share

Eugenics angle (historical reporting)

  1. NYT (Jul 31, 2019): Epstein and eugenics
  2. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/31/business/jeffrey-epstein-eugenics.html?unlocked_article_code=1.RFA.kPt3.sqD4Xrz4SYqG&smid=url-share

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/


How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>The Epstein files are not just a scandal or a “true crime” story. They are a mirror held up to power, privilege, and the way exploitation can hide in plain sight when the right people are involved.

We take a look at why this story is bigger than Jeffrey Epstein as an individual. The most disturbing part is not only what he did, but how long he operated, how many doors opened for him, and how an entire ecosystem of access, money, and silence helped protect him. This is where the conversation turns into something deeper about class, credibility, and why the hyper-elite often seem to live by different rules than everyone else.

We also talk about the darker details that keep resurfacing, including the New Mexico “Zorro Ranch,” the eugenics angle, and the broader network of enablers that made Epstein’s world possible. And we ask the question that hangs over all of it. Will we ever know the full truth, the kind that maps the networks clearly and holds people accountable, not just the version that gets turned into gossip and outrage?

Most importantly, we refuse to let this become a partisan weapon. This is not a left issue or a right issue. It is a human issue about whether justice is selective, whether accountability is optional for the wealthy and connected, and whether victims are treated as disposable. We want to hear your thoughts. What should accountability look like here, and do you believe we will ever get the full truth?

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Welcome

00:23 Epstein Files Intro

00:52 Three Hot Takes on Epstein Files

04:51 Bipartisan Outrage

07:21 How He Got Away

08:58 Epstein Origin Story

09:51 Wexner And Teen Culture

14:25 Elite Money Blindness

17:07 Plea Deal And Death

19:04 New Mexico Eugenics

20:02 Why No One Talks

21:59 Philanthropy And Complicity

23:15 Bill Gates Example

24:29 Power Sex And Access

25:08 Peter Attia Email Scandal

26:34 Power Over Sex

27:39 Hypersexualization Debate

29:56 Epstein Files Politics

35:32 Evidence And Accountability

38:11 Would You Rather

40:52 Final Thanks



RESOURCES MENTIONED:


The Epstein Files (Politics, subpoenas, and the current fallout)

  1. NYT (Feb 12, 2026): Epstein files overview / political angle
  2. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/12/us/politics/epstein-files.html?unlocked_article_code=1.RFA.Ks_d.pTEwL-KfzLEH&smid=url-share
  3. NYT (Mar 4, 2026): Pam Bondi subpoena related to the Epstein files
  4. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/04/us/politics/pam-bondi-subpoena-epstein-files.html?unlocked_article_code=1.RFA.ev5r.I-KWB7-Gs8oP&smid=url-share

New Mexico / Zorro Ranch (location + operations)

  1. NYT (Mar 1, 2026): Epstein’s New Mexico “Zorro Ranch”
  2. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/01/us/jeffrey-epstein-new-mexico-zorro-ranch.html?unlocked_article_code=1.RFA.taQs.mfGbZ_Gv_DZe&smid=url-share

Medical network / enablers (doctors)

  1. NYT (Feb 28, 2026): Epstein and doctors
  2. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/28/us/jeffrey-epstein-doctors.html?unlocked_article_code=1.RFA.DT50.a3Mt3jihkdRH&smid=url-share

Eugenics angle (historical reporting)

  1. NYT (Jul 31, 2019): Epstein and eugenics
  2. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/31/business/jeffrey-epstein-eugenics.html?unlocked_article_code=1.RFA.kPt3.sqD4Xrz4SYqG&smid=url-share

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/


How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>36ace582-d1f5-4eae-9b77-b94c8f18983cWed, 25 Mar 2026 03:00:00 -040041:27truefull5959Trump’s SAVE Act Explained: Election Integrity or Voter SuppressionTrump’s SAVE Act Explained: Election Integrity or Voter SuppressionTrump’s SAVE Act is being sold as a straightforward push for election integrity, but in this episode, we take a look at why it is not nearly that simple. On the surface, secure elections sound like an easy thing to support. But once you get into the details, the conversation becomes much more complicated. Is this really about protecting the vote, or is it about raising suspicion and adding new barriers just before the midterms?

Nicole shares why her instinct is that the SAVE Act feels like a pre-midterm power move wrapped in the language of fairness. Jolene sees the appeal of a more standardized voting system, and both agree that public trust in elections matters. They also agree that handing too much control to the federal government comes with real risks, especially when centralised voter systems can create new vulnerabilities and new opportunities for overreach.

The episode also digs into the practical impact of laws like this. What happens to people in rural areas, people without easy access to updated documents, women whose names do not match old paperwork, or communities that already face barriers to voting? Nicole argues that access is part of election integrity too, and that a system is not truly secure if it quietly pushes legitimate voters out of the process.

At the heart of the conversation is a bigger question about democracy itself. If the goal is a better voting system, why are reforms so often introduced in the most politically explosive way possible? Why not build trust slowly, with time, support, and real buy-in from both sides? Nicole and Jolene ask what meaningful voter reform should actually look like, and how we protect both security and access without turning every election conversation into a loyalty test.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Welcome

00:26 What Is the SAVE Act

00:58 Liberal Hot Takes

03:47 Conservative Breakdown

05:18 ID Requirements Debate

07:20 Real ID Rollout Idea

14:21 How Registration Would Work

17:21 Immigration Fraud Claims

21:20 Bipartisanship and Funding

25:09 Midterms and Loopholes

26:54 Voter Rolls and Turnout

29:32 Bipartisan Wins Ignored

30:47 Name Changes and IDs

32:50 Registration Versus Voting

35:46 Politics and Fraud Claims


RESOURCES MENTIONED:

https://campaignlegal.org/update/what-you-need-know-about-save-act

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/


]]>Trump’s SAVE Act is being sold as a straightforward push for election integrity, but in this episode, we take a look at why it is not nearly that simple. On the surface, secure elections sound like an easy thing to support. But once you get into the details, the conversation becomes much more complicated. Is this really about protecting the vote, or is it about raising suspicion and adding new barriers just before the midterms?

Nicole shares why her instinct is that the SAVE Act feels like a pre-midterm power move wrapped in the language of fairness. Jolene sees the appeal of a more standardized voting system, and both agree that public trust in elections matters. They also agree that handing too much control to the federal government comes with real risks, especially when centralised voter systems can create new vulnerabilities and new opportunities for overreach.

The episode also digs into the practical impact of laws like this. What happens to people in rural areas, people without easy access to updated documents, women whose names do not match old paperwork, or communities that already face barriers to voting? Nicole argues that access is part of election integrity too, and that a system is not truly secure if it quietly pushes legitimate voters out of the process.

At the heart of the conversation is a bigger question about democracy itself. If the goal is a better voting system, why are reforms so often introduced in the most politically explosive way possible? Why not build trust slowly, with time, support, and real buy-in from both sides? Nicole and Jolene ask what meaningful voter reform should actually look like, and how we protect both security and access without turning every election conversation into a loyalty test.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Welcome

00:26 What Is the SAVE Act

00:58 Liberal Hot Takes

03:47 Conservative Breakdown

05:18 ID Requirements Debate

07:20 Real ID Rollout Idea

14:21 How Registration Would Work

17:21 Immigration Fraud Claims

21:20 Bipartisanship and Funding

25:09 Midterms and Loopholes

26:54 Voter Rolls and Turnout

29:32 Bipartisan Wins Ignored

30:47 Name Changes and IDs

32:50 Registration Versus Voting

35:46 Politics and Fraud Claims


RESOURCES MENTIONED:

https://campaignlegal.org/update/what-you-need-know-about-save-act

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/


]]>92338d0c-8bc7-44d1-ad64-d1f38dec566fWed, 18 Mar 2026 03:00:00 -040044:25truefull5858Iran Conflict: What Happens When "You Break It, You Buy It" Applies to War?Iran Conflict: What Happens When "You Break It, You Buy It" Applies to War?Iran is one of the most loaded topics on the planet right now, and in this episode, Nicole (liberal) and Jolene (conservative) try to talk about it without pretending it’s simple. We recorded on Thursday, March 5th, fully aware that modern conflict moves fast and anything we say could age in a week. So this isn’t a “perfect take.” It’s us slowing the conversation down and naming what we know, what we don’t, and what we’re tempted to assume.

Jolene opens with three hot takes, starting with the language. Five days in, she hesitates to call it a “war” and frames it as a conflict, not to minimise it, but because words shape expectations. “War” implies a timeline, a scale, and a level of commitment Americans are deeply wary of after Iraq and Afghanistan. She also wrestles with the tension between short-term necessity and long-term fallout, including what it signals to allies and adversaries if the U.S. hesitates, and what it costs if the U.S. gets pulled into something with no clear end.

Nicole also gets stuck on the war versus conflict question, because labels shape what people tolerate and demand. We talk about the strategic side too, including the role of allies, technology, and how modern warfare has shifted toward precision, drones, cyber, intelligence, and targeted strikes. But underneath all of it is the question that never goes away: what is the plan? “Winning” is not clean, and moral certainty can become a shortcut that avoids the hard questions while real people pay the price.

We also centre the part that can’t be treated like a chessboard: the Iranian people. We talk about the human cost already paid by protestors and ordinary citizens under an oppressive regime, and the uncomfortable questions about intervention, democracy, and what happens after a regime is weakened.

Finally, we dig into the media layer and why “stay curious” matters more than ever. What are you watching? What are you worried about? What do you think the U.S. responsibility is here, if any? Drop your thoughts in the comments and keep it respectful.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Welcome

00:25 Iran Conflict

01:10 Jolene Three Hot Takes

03:31 Allies And Drones

04:16 No Long Term Plan

05:16 Human Cost And Protest

07:09 How We Got Here

10:25 Be Curious Learn History

12:38 Kurds And Civil War Risk

14:58 War Powers And Congress

18:22 Moral Cost Of Strikes

21:10 What Happens After

23:35 Succession and Assassination

23:54 Intel Infiltration Strategy

25:40 Iran Threats and Trump

26:27 Israel Discourse and Antisemitism

27:15 Hamas and Campus Protests

29:15 Iran Voices on Instagram

31:05 Media Fear and Polling

33:38 Who Builds a New Middle East

35:48 Would You Rather War Outcomes

37:50 Noem Jet and Lewandowski

41:36 Podcast Wrap

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Instagram: @hemdad.nazari

https://youtu.be/e9dljIL4rBk?si=q0Jjj5oN2uDcJPPg


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>Iran is one of the most loaded topics on the planet right now, and in this episode, Nicole (liberal) and Jolene (conservative) try to talk about it without pretending it’s simple. We recorded on Thursday, March 5th, fully aware that modern conflict moves fast and anything we say could age in a week. So this isn’t a “perfect take.” It’s us slowing the conversation down and naming what we know, what we don’t, and what we’re tempted to assume.

Jolene opens with three hot takes, starting with the language. Five days in, she hesitates to call it a “war” and frames it as a conflict, not to minimise it, but because words shape expectations. “War” implies a timeline, a scale, and a level of commitment Americans are deeply wary of after Iraq and Afghanistan. She also wrestles with the tension between short-term necessity and long-term fallout, including what it signals to allies and adversaries if the U.S. hesitates, and what it costs if the U.S. gets pulled into something with no clear end.

Nicole also gets stuck on the war versus conflict question, because labels shape what people tolerate and demand. We talk about the strategic side too, including the role of allies, technology, and how modern warfare has shifted toward precision, drones, cyber, intelligence, and targeted strikes. But underneath all of it is the question that never goes away: what is the plan? “Winning” is not clean, and moral certainty can become a shortcut that avoids the hard questions while real people pay the price.

We also centre the part that can’t be treated like a chessboard: the Iranian people. We talk about the human cost already paid by protestors and ordinary citizens under an oppressive regime, and the uncomfortable questions about intervention, democracy, and what happens after a regime is weakened.

Finally, we dig into the media layer and why “stay curious” matters more than ever. What are you watching? What are you worried about? What do you think the U.S. responsibility is here, if any? Drop your thoughts in the comments and keep it respectful.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Welcome

00:25 Iran Conflict

01:10 Jolene Three Hot Takes

03:31 Allies And Drones

04:16 No Long Term Plan

05:16 Human Cost And Protest

07:09 How We Got Here

10:25 Be Curious Learn History

12:38 Kurds And Civil War Risk

14:58 War Powers And Congress

18:22 Moral Cost Of Strikes

21:10 What Happens After

23:35 Succession and Assassination

23:54 Intel Infiltration Strategy

25:40 Iran Threats and Trump

26:27 Israel Discourse and Antisemitism

27:15 Hamas and Campus Protests

29:15 Iran Voices on Instagram

31:05 Media Fear and Polling

33:38 Who Builds a New Middle East

35:48 Would You Rather War Outcomes

37:50 Noem Jet and Lewandowski

41:36 Podcast Wrap

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Instagram: @hemdad.nazari

https://youtu.be/e9dljIL4rBk?si=q0Jjj5oN2uDcJPPg


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>4e8a1f84-79d1-4315-ac0c-58e523db91deWed, 11 Mar 2026 03:00:00 -040043:32truefull5757The Death of Political Decorum: Pam Bondi, JD Vance, and Why We're All ExhaustedThe Death of Political Decorum: Pam Bondi, JD Vance, and Why We're All ExhaustedPolitics lately feels less like governing and more like bad behavior. In this episode, we ask a simple question: where did basic political decorum go, and why does it feel like the whole country is running on outrage and adrenaline?

We talk about congressional hearings that feel more like theatre than truth-seeking, including the Pam Bondi exchange during the Epstein hearings. Tough questions are part of the job, but the posturing, rehearsed lines, and made-for-camera moments leave us wondering who the real audience is. When oversight becomes performance, it doesn’t just waste time. It teaches the public that politics is about winning the clip, not solving problems.

We also unpack how modern media and social platforms amplify the worst incentives. Sensational headlines, rage-bait framing, and constant “gotcha” coverage keep everyone stressed, divided, and exhausted. We ask whether changes like removing cameras from hearings or tightening rules could reduce the made-for-TV drama, while still protecting transparency.

Finally, we look at what “adult discourse” could sound like again, including our reaction to Marco Rubio’s Munich speech, and the bigger tension between relatability and responsibility in leadership. We also talk about the double standard women face in public life, where forcefulness is praised in men and punished in women. If you’re exhausted too, tell us in the comments. What would you reward in a leader if the algorithm wasn’t in the room?



CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:25 Decorum In Politics in Disappearing

02:07 Hearings As Theater

02:26 Tabloid Media Machine

06:08 Fixing The Congressional Hearing Format

07:41 Pam Bondi Performing For Trump

09:59 Rubio Munich Adult In Room

12:34 JD Vance Speech Comparison

13:17 Rubio Then And Now

14:46 What Calm Leadership Feels Like

16:10 Outrage Gets Attention

16:42 Trump Reads The Room

19:22 Authentic Not Rude

21:09 Women And Double Standards

26:13 Rage Bait And Civility

26:59 Modeling Respectful Debate

28:16 Would You Rather Segment

30:56 Closing Thoughts



RESOURCES MENTIONED:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/how-pam-bondi-democrats-turned-hearing-hysteria-right-front-jeffrey-epsteins-victims


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/


]]>Politics lately feels less like governing and more like bad behavior. In this episode, we ask a simple question: where did basic political decorum go, and why does it feel like the whole country is running on outrage and adrenaline?

We talk about congressional hearings that feel more like theatre than truth-seeking, including the Pam Bondi exchange during the Epstein hearings. Tough questions are part of the job, but the posturing, rehearsed lines, and made-for-camera moments leave us wondering who the real audience is. When oversight becomes performance, it doesn’t just waste time. It teaches the public that politics is about winning the clip, not solving problems.

We also unpack how modern media and social platforms amplify the worst incentives. Sensational headlines, rage-bait framing, and constant “gotcha” coverage keep everyone stressed, divided, and exhausted. We ask whether changes like removing cameras from hearings or tightening rules could reduce the made-for-TV drama, while still protecting transparency.

Finally, we look at what “adult discourse” could sound like again, including our reaction to Marco Rubio’s Munich speech, and the bigger tension between relatability and responsibility in leadership. We also talk about the double standard women face in public life, where forcefulness is praised in men and punished in women. If you’re exhausted too, tell us in the comments. What would you reward in a leader if the algorithm wasn’t in the room?



CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:25 Decorum In Politics in Disappearing

02:07 Hearings As Theater

02:26 Tabloid Media Machine

06:08 Fixing The Congressional Hearing Format

07:41 Pam Bondi Performing For Trump

09:59 Rubio Munich Adult In Room

12:34 JD Vance Speech Comparison

13:17 Rubio Then And Now

14:46 What Calm Leadership Feels Like

16:10 Outrage Gets Attention

16:42 Trump Reads The Room

19:22 Authentic Not Rude

21:09 Women And Double Standards

26:13 Rage Bait And Civility

26:59 Modeling Respectful Debate

28:16 Would You Rather Segment

30:56 Closing Thoughts



RESOURCES MENTIONED:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/how-pam-bondi-democrats-turned-hearing-hysteria-right-front-jeffrey-epsteins-victims


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/


]]>421b14f1-edb8-4b98-b751-4ed21ec3d6f4Wed, 04 Mar 2026 03:00:00 -040031:58truefull5656Bridge Grades: The ‘Rotten Tomatoes’ Scorecard for CongressBridge Grades: The ‘Rotten Tomatoes’ Scorecard for CongressWe’re sitting down with Brad Porteus, the creator of Bridge Grades, to talk about the one thing American politics is starving for right now: real collaboration. If you are exhausted by tribal “pick a side” thinking, this conversation is a breath of fresh air, because it is not about who is right. It is about who can actually work with people they disagree with.

Brad explains what Bridge Grades is and why he built it. Think of it as a report card for Congress, or like Rotten Tomatoes for politicians. Using objective third-party data, Bridge Grades scores members of Congress from 0 to 100 based on how collaboratively or divisively they govern. The big idea is simple but powerful: ideology and collaboration are independent variables. You can be conservative and still be a bridge-builder. You can be progressive and still be a divider.

We also get into the uncomfortable part. Are citizens rewarding the behaviour they claim they want? Brad talks about how American politics has become identity warfare, and how incentives now favour viral moments, party loyalty, and public dunking over the slow, unglamorous work of governing.

If you are looking for a better way to evaluate politicians beyond red vs blue, this episode will give you a new lens.

Check out Bridge Grades here: https://www.bridgegrades.org/ and tell us what you think. Who are the real bridgers in Congress, and what would it take for voters to start rewarding collaboration at the ballot box?

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

01:08 Explaining Bridge Grades

02:44 Brad's Background and Inspiration

06:09 Challenges in Political Engagement

08:46 The Role of Media and Algorithms

19:21 Grading System and Data Sources of Bridge Grades

26:12 Encouraging Bipartisanship

32:09 Exploring Alternatives to the Two-Party System

32:52 The Dream of Normalizing Bridging Politics

33:27 Challenges in Changing Voting Behavior

34:03 The Role of Bridge Grades in Political Campaigns

34:35 Reinviting Disengaged Voters

36:23 The Two-Punch Strategy for Political Change

37:32 Building a Public Utility for Political Transparency

38:16 The Builders Movement and Bridging Efforts

39:00 Evaluating Politicians' Actions and Rhetoric

41:27 Encouraging Bipartisanship in Congress

47:25 Hope for a Collaborative Future in Politics

49:52 Good for the Soul: Live Music and Gen X Memoirs

51:58 Would You Rather

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Bridge Grades:

https://www.bridgegrades.org/

Good For The Soul:

Remember to go and see live music!

https://book-shelfie.com/roll-with-it/

https://liberationbway.com/

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>We’re sitting down with Brad Porteus, the creator of Bridge Grades, to talk about the one thing American politics is starving for right now: real collaboration. If you are exhausted by tribal “pick a side” thinking, this conversation is a breath of fresh air, because it is not about who is right. It is about who can actually work with people they disagree with.

Brad explains what Bridge Grades is and why he built it. Think of it as a report card for Congress, or like Rotten Tomatoes for politicians. Using objective third-party data, Bridge Grades scores members of Congress from 0 to 100 based on how collaboratively or divisively they govern. The big idea is simple but powerful: ideology and collaboration are independent variables. You can be conservative and still be a bridge-builder. You can be progressive and still be a divider.

We also get into the uncomfortable part. Are citizens rewarding the behaviour they claim they want? Brad talks about how American politics has become identity warfare, and how incentives now favour viral moments, party loyalty, and public dunking over the slow, unglamorous work of governing.

If you are looking for a better way to evaluate politicians beyond red vs blue, this episode will give you a new lens.

Check out Bridge Grades here: https://www.bridgegrades.org/ and tell us what you think. Who are the real bridgers in Congress, and what would it take for voters to start rewarding collaboration at the ballot box?

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

01:08 Explaining Bridge Grades

02:44 Brad's Background and Inspiration

06:09 Challenges in Political Engagement

08:46 The Role of Media and Algorithms

19:21 Grading System and Data Sources of Bridge Grades

26:12 Encouraging Bipartisanship

32:09 Exploring Alternatives to the Two-Party System

32:52 The Dream of Normalizing Bridging Politics

33:27 Challenges in Changing Voting Behavior

34:03 The Role of Bridge Grades in Political Campaigns

34:35 Reinviting Disengaged Voters

36:23 The Two-Punch Strategy for Political Change

37:32 Building a Public Utility for Political Transparency

38:16 The Builders Movement and Bridging Efforts

39:00 Evaluating Politicians' Actions and Rhetoric

41:27 Encouraging Bipartisanship in Congress

47:25 Hope for a Collaborative Future in Politics

49:52 Good for the Soul: Live Music and Gen X Memoirs

51:58 Would You Rather

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Bridge Grades:

https://www.bridgegrades.org/

Good For The Soul:

Remember to go and see live music!

https://book-shelfie.com/roll-with-it/

https://liberationbway.com/

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>a3fbc309-5780-431b-81ff-84196fc40f50Wed, 25 Feb 2026 03:00:00 -040058:55truefull5555The Last Republican Documentary: Our ReviewThe Last Republican Documentary: Our ReviewWe just watched “The Last Republican,” Steve Pink’s new documentary about Adam Kinzinger - the Illinois Congressman who broke ranks with his party after the January 6th hearings, and let’s just say, it sparked a conversation. Actually, several. We’re Nicole (liberal) and Jolene (conservative), friends for nearly 40 years and living proof that you can tackle politics, religion, and money without ending up in a shouting match. In this episode, we give you our take on the film, the politics, and the very human messiness at the heart of it all.

Despite our different political leanings, we came away agreeing on something important: accountability matters, and so does honest conversation about our history. No matter how uncomfortable it is. If we want a better future, we have to be willing to look back, learn, and talk it out, even when it’s messy.

“The Last Republican” isn’t just a documentary about one man or one party, it’s a mirror held up to the state of American politics and an invitation to have the kinds of conversations most people avoid. We hope you’ll watch it, and then talk about it with people who agree with you, and especially with those who don’t. That’s where real understanding starts.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

The Last Republican Buy Or Rent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksFrcUdEa9A

Good For the Soul:

Instagram:

@vhsdates

@top.music.songs

www.bridgegrades.org

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>We just watched “The Last Republican,” Steve Pink’s new documentary about Adam Kinzinger - the Illinois Congressman who broke ranks with his party after the January 6th hearings, and let’s just say, it sparked a conversation. Actually, several. We’re Nicole (liberal) and Jolene (conservative), friends for nearly 40 years and living proof that you can tackle politics, religion, and money without ending up in a shouting match. In this episode, we give you our take on the film, the politics, and the very human messiness at the heart of it all.

Despite our different political leanings, we came away agreeing on something important: accountability matters, and so does honest conversation about our history. No matter how uncomfortable it is. If we want a better future, we have to be willing to look back, learn, and talk it out, even when it’s messy.

“The Last Republican” isn’t just a documentary about one man or one party, it’s a mirror held up to the state of American politics and an invitation to have the kinds of conversations most people avoid. We hope you’ll watch it, and then talk about it with people who agree with you, and especially with those who don’t. That’s where real understanding starts.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

The Last Republican Buy Or Rent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksFrcUdEa9A

Good For the Soul:

Instagram:

@vhsdates

@top.music.songs

www.bridgegrades.org

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>9ce5314c-03e2-40c5-99d9-87fab1c23085Wed, 18 Feb 2026 03:00:00 -040050:08truefull5454Trump One Year Later: Reaction to Ezra Klein & Yuval Levin ConversationTrump One Year Later: Reaction to Ezra Klein & Yuval Levin ConversationWe’re sharing our take on Ezra Klein’s interview with Yuval Levin and the question it raises about Trump’s presidency: has he achieved as much as it feels like he has, or are we confusing constant motion with durable progress? We talk about why this administration can feel like nonstop action, even when much of that action is not coming through Congress.

A big idea from the Ezra Klein Show conversation is Levin’s framing that Trump governs “retail rather than wholesale.” In other words, prioritizing visible, immediate wins through executive power, pressure, and deal-making, instead of building long-lasting policy through legislation. We unpack why that approach appeals to many voters who wanted a non-politician who would bypass gridlock, and why it also raises concerns about stability when executive orders can be reversed by the next administration.

We also dig into the political reality that Trump’s brand can make bipartisan cooperation in Congress even harder, pushing everyone toward obstruction and performance, and pushing the White House toward even more executive action. The bigger question we leave you with is simple: is Trump adapting to a broken legislative branch, or is this style of leadership making it harder for Congress to function at all?

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:45 Discussing Listener's Suggestion: Ezra Klein and Yuval Levin

01:58 Trump's First Year: Accomplishments and Controversies

04:00 Debating Congressional vs. Executive Power

05:57 Trump's Approach to Governance

07:59 Media Perception and Legal Battles

18:24 Young Conservatives and Political Extremism

20:51 US Dependency and Federal Funding

22:56 Trump as a Disruptor

23:25 Checks and Balances Concerns

25:58 Media Manipulation and Public Perception

27:01 Trump's Spending and Defense Policies

29:07 Hopes for Congressional Bravery

30:07 America's 250th Birthday

33:28 Good for the Soul: Snowfall and Peace

35:24 TV Show Recommendation: The West Wing

38:31 Would You Rather


RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Ezra Klein and Yuval Levin Interview:

https://youtu.be/WJHPaCaMAq4?si=9jnNnea6mPoGj0hf

Senate website/Presidential Nominations Withdrawn: https://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/one_item_and_teasers/nom_wdr.htm


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/


How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>We’re sharing our take on Ezra Klein’s interview with Yuval Levin and the question it raises about Trump’s presidency: has he achieved as much as it feels like he has, or are we confusing constant motion with durable progress? We talk about why this administration can feel like nonstop action, even when much of that action is not coming through Congress.

A big idea from the Ezra Klein Show conversation is Levin’s framing that Trump governs “retail rather than wholesale.” In other words, prioritizing visible, immediate wins through executive power, pressure, and deal-making, instead of building long-lasting policy through legislation. We unpack why that approach appeals to many voters who wanted a non-politician who would bypass gridlock, and why it also raises concerns about stability when executive orders can be reversed by the next administration.

We also dig into the political reality that Trump’s brand can make bipartisan cooperation in Congress even harder, pushing everyone toward obstruction and performance, and pushing the White House toward even more executive action. The bigger question we leave you with is simple: is Trump adapting to a broken legislative branch, or is this style of leadership making it harder for Congress to function at all?

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:45 Discussing Listener's Suggestion: Ezra Klein and Yuval Levin

01:58 Trump's First Year: Accomplishments and Controversies

04:00 Debating Congressional vs. Executive Power

05:57 Trump's Approach to Governance

07:59 Media Perception and Legal Battles

18:24 Young Conservatives and Political Extremism

20:51 US Dependency and Federal Funding

22:56 Trump as a Disruptor

23:25 Checks and Balances Concerns

25:58 Media Manipulation and Public Perception

27:01 Trump's Spending and Defense Policies

29:07 Hopes for Congressional Bravery

30:07 America's 250th Birthday

33:28 Good for the Soul: Snowfall and Peace

35:24 TV Show Recommendation: The West Wing

38:31 Would You Rather


RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Ezra Klein and Yuval Levin Interview:

https://youtu.be/WJHPaCaMAq4?si=9jnNnea6mPoGj0hf

Senate website/Presidential Nominations Withdrawn: https://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/one_item_and_teasers/nom_wdr.htm


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/


How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>af288fb7-c4e3-42e5-9848-90630186b9cfWed, 11 Feb 2026 03:00:00 -040041:18truefull5353ICE Shooting in Minneapolis: Facts, Fear, and What We Owe Each OtherICE Shooting in Minneapolis: Facts, Fear, and What We Owe Each OtherSome weeks, the news doesn’t just feel heavy, it feels combustible. In this episode, Nicole (liberal) and Jolene (conservative) talk through the latest ICE shooting in Minneapolis and why stories like this instantly become a loyalty test: pick your team, pick your narrative, pick your villain… and move on.

We slow the conversation down on purpose. We talk about what we know, what we don’t know yet, and how quickly public reactions harden into certainty before investigations have a chance to breathe. Because once a tragedy becomes a symbol, people stop caring about details. They care about the win.

We also unpack the deeper reality beneath the headlines: immigration is debated as a concept, but lived as a constant stress response. Paperwork, deadlines, fear, and the feeling that one wrong turn could unravel a life. At the same time, communities are trying to make sense of real safety concerns without turning those fears into blanket suspicion of anyone who looks or sounds “foreign.”

This isn’t about choosing between compassion and accountability. It’s about holding both and refusing to let grief, anger, or fear turn into dehumanisation. If the country feels brittle right now, it’s because we’ve stopped talking like humans. Where do we go from here?

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:30 Discussing Minneapolis ICE Shooting

00:47 Moral Certainty and Conversation

03:02 Details of the Minneapolis Shooting

04:30 Reactions and Political Commentary

05:17 Tom Holman's Press Conference

07:51 Complexities of Immigration Enforcement

27:33 Sanctuary Cities and Legal Implications

35:07 Sanctuary Cities and Trump's Immigration Policy

35:44 Criminal Records Among Undocumented Migrants

36:40 Concerns About Steven Miller's Influence

40:33 Polarization and Lack of Dialogue

45:43 The Immigrant Experience

56:15 Moral Absolutism and Democracy

01:04:29 Concluding Thoughts

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Tom Homan News Conference,

https://www.youtube.com/live/f0uZKCwGwtA?si=1GT03P1elneERpOL

Good for the Soul:

https://www.instagram.com/basicoptimism/reels/

https://tapcancerout.org/

]]>Some weeks, the news doesn’t just feel heavy, it feels combustible. In this episode, Nicole (liberal) and Jolene (conservative) talk through the latest ICE shooting in Minneapolis and why stories like this instantly become a loyalty test: pick your team, pick your narrative, pick your villain… and move on.

We slow the conversation down on purpose. We talk about what we know, what we don’t know yet, and how quickly public reactions harden into certainty before investigations have a chance to breathe. Because once a tragedy becomes a symbol, people stop caring about details. They care about the win.

We also unpack the deeper reality beneath the headlines: immigration is debated as a concept, but lived as a constant stress response. Paperwork, deadlines, fear, and the feeling that one wrong turn could unravel a life. At the same time, communities are trying to make sense of real safety concerns without turning those fears into blanket suspicion of anyone who looks or sounds “foreign.”

This isn’t about choosing between compassion and accountability. It’s about holding both and refusing to let grief, anger, or fear turn into dehumanisation. If the country feels brittle right now, it’s because we’ve stopped talking like humans. Where do we go from here?

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:30 Discussing Minneapolis ICE Shooting

00:47 Moral Certainty and Conversation

03:02 Details of the Minneapolis Shooting

04:30 Reactions and Political Commentary

05:17 Tom Holman's Press Conference

07:51 Complexities of Immigration Enforcement

27:33 Sanctuary Cities and Legal Implications

35:07 Sanctuary Cities and Trump's Immigration Policy

35:44 Criminal Records Among Undocumented Migrants

36:40 Concerns About Steven Miller's Influence

40:33 Polarization and Lack of Dialogue

45:43 The Immigrant Experience

56:15 Moral Absolutism and Democracy

01:04:29 Concluding Thoughts

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Tom Homan News Conference,

https://www.youtube.com/live/f0uZKCwGwtA?si=1GT03P1elneERpOL

Good for the Soul:

https://www.instagram.com/basicoptimism/reels/

https://tapcancerout.org/

]]>a09adbed-886e-4a01-9379-9bac8beefa06Wed, 04 Feb 2026 03:00:00 -040001:05:32truefull5252Is America buying Greenland or not?Is America buying Greenland or not?Some headlines don’t feel real and yet here we are. In this episode, we unpack Trump floating the idea of America buying Greenland (yes, Greenland) and why a story that sounds like satire is actually tied to serious geopolitics, Arctic security, and America’s relationship with allies like Denmark.

We take a look at why Greenland matters: its strategic location between North America and Europe, growing importance in the Arctic, and the military and economic interests that come with it. Even if the delivery sounds unserious, the underlying interest isn’t automatically crazy and that’s what makes this headline worth talking about.

But we also talk about how leadership shows up on the world stage. Trump’s off-the-cuff style and public pressure tactics can turn diplomacy into a spectacle, and diplomacy doesn’t work when allies feel humiliated or treated like they’re negotiating a property sale. The result isn’t just awkward headlines, it’s distrust.

And honestly, this isn’t only about Greenland. It’s about political fatigue: the constant “wait, is this real?” whiplash and what it does to public trust. Is strong leadership boldness, restraint, diplomacy, transparency, or some mix of all four? Drop your thoughts in the comments (keep it respectful).

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:32 Discussing Greenland

02:02 Trump's Controversial Actions

05:33 Global Reactions and Media Frenzy

06:54 Strategic Importance of Greenland

07:49 Rare Earth Minerals and Geopolitical Moves

08:40 Trump's Negotiation Tactics

13:26 Debating US Foreign Policy

25:41 Historical Context and World Order

27:59 European Union's Reaction to Trump's Greenland Comments

28:26 Global Reactions and Military Posturing

29:28 Embarrassment on the World Stage

29:53 The Future of Diplomacy

30:22 The Role of Media and Public Perception

30:30 Standing Up to Bullies

32:16 Greenland's Importance and Reactions

34:34 Media Coverage and Public Fatigue

44:58 Final Thoughts

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

  1. AP News (Greenland, U.S., Denmark, Trump, Vance, Rubio meeting): https://apnews.com/article/greenland-united-states-denmark-trump-vance-rubio-meeting-b10f5151008f1f18a788dc0751473c0e

Good for the Soul

  1. Matter Neuroscience (Instagram): https://www.instagram.com/matterneuroscience/
  2. “The Emperor’s New Clothes” (Hans Christian Andersen): https://americanliterature.com/author/hans-christian-andersen/short-story/the-emperors-new-clothes

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>Some headlines don’t feel real and yet here we are. In this episode, we unpack Trump floating the idea of America buying Greenland (yes, Greenland) and why a story that sounds like satire is actually tied to serious geopolitics, Arctic security, and America’s relationship with allies like Denmark.

We take a look at why Greenland matters: its strategic location between North America and Europe, growing importance in the Arctic, and the military and economic interests that come with it. Even if the delivery sounds unserious, the underlying interest isn’t automatically crazy and that’s what makes this headline worth talking about.

But we also talk about how leadership shows up on the world stage. Trump’s off-the-cuff style and public pressure tactics can turn diplomacy into a spectacle, and diplomacy doesn’t work when allies feel humiliated or treated like they’re negotiating a property sale. The result isn’t just awkward headlines, it’s distrust.

And honestly, this isn’t only about Greenland. It’s about political fatigue: the constant “wait, is this real?” whiplash and what it does to public trust. Is strong leadership boldness, restraint, diplomacy, transparency, or some mix of all four? Drop your thoughts in the comments (keep it respectful).

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:32 Discussing Greenland

02:02 Trump's Controversial Actions

05:33 Global Reactions and Media Frenzy

06:54 Strategic Importance of Greenland

07:49 Rare Earth Minerals and Geopolitical Moves

08:40 Trump's Negotiation Tactics

13:26 Debating US Foreign Policy

25:41 Historical Context and World Order

27:59 European Union's Reaction to Trump's Greenland Comments

28:26 Global Reactions and Military Posturing

29:28 Embarrassment on the World Stage

29:53 The Future of Diplomacy

30:22 The Role of Media and Public Perception

30:30 Standing Up to Bullies

32:16 Greenland's Importance and Reactions

34:34 Media Coverage and Public Fatigue

44:58 Final Thoughts

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

  1. AP News (Greenland, U.S., Denmark, Trump, Vance, Rubio meeting): https://apnews.com/article/greenland-united-states-denmark-trump-vance-rubio-meeting-b10f5151008f1f18a788dc0751473c0e

Good for the Soul

  1. Matter Neuroscience (Instagram): https://www.instagram.com/matterneuroscience/
  2. “The Emperor’s New Clothes” (Hans Christian Andersen): https://americanliterature.com/author/hans-christian-andersen/short-story/the-emperors-new-clothes

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>7d5d573c-42e9-4041-a82a-1eab671382a9Wed, 28 Jan 2026 03:00:00 -040046:50truefull5151U.S. Surrogacy and Birthright Citizenship: When Money Writes the RulesU.S. Surrogacy and Birthright Citizenship: When Money Writes the RulesSurrogacy can be a deeply meaningful path to parenthood and it can also be a billion-dollar industry. In this episode, we unpack what happens when “building a family” starts looking like a marketplace, and who actually gets protected when money, contracts, and power enter something as serious as pregnancy and birth.

We talk about why the U.S. has become a major global destination for surrogacy, and how inconsistent, state-by-state rules can create a system where the wealthy get options and the vulnerable take on the risk. When an industry grows faster than the guardrails, it’s not just messy, it can become exploitative.

We also dig into the 14th Amendment and birthright citizenship, and the uncomfortable question it raises: what happens when a right designed to protect the vulnerable becomes a tool the powerful can leverage? This isn’t about demonising parents or children - it’s about whether citizenship and reproduction are being treated like commodities.

Finally, we ask what regulation could look like without being “anti-family”: stronger protections for surrogates, clearer standards that prioritise the well-being of the child, and real accountability when things go wrong. If you’re pro-surrogacy, anti-surrogacy, or somewhere in the middle, we hope this episode helps you ask better questions and keeps the conversation honest.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:29 Billionaires and US Surrogacy

00:49 The MO News Podcast and Initial Reactions

02:47 Understanding the 14th Amendment and Birthright Citizenship

04:40 The Surrogacy Industry: Agencies and Regulations

05:20 International Billionaires and Surrogacy

06:40 Ethical and Social Implications

08:17 Legal and Regulatory Challenges

10:16 Personal Stories and Opinions

11:34 The Role of Money and Power

12:59 Conservative and Liberal Perspectives

21:36 Potential Solutions and Legislation

26:07 Peter Thiel's IVF Agencies in Southeast Asia

26:24 Religious Views and Surrogacy Ethics

27:20 Surrogacy Laws and the 14th Amendment

28:11 Protecting Surrogates and Babies

30:47 Bipartisan Efforts for Surrogacy Regulation

33:52 Global Surrogacy Practices and US Regulations

36:47 The Future of Surrogacy and Legal Recourse

41:22 Call to Action: Advocating for Surrogacy Laws

45:10 Good for the Soul: Kindness Army

46:31 Would You Rather: Surrogacy and Citizenship

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Instagram Reel: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DSWnB_xjRZc/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

  1. Chinese Billionaires, Surrogacy, Pregnancy: https://www.wsj.com/us-news/chinese-billionaires-surrogacy-pregnancy-7fdfc0c3?reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
  2. What to Know: Surrogacy + China + Billionaires: https://www.wsj.com/us-news/what-to-know-surrogacy-china-billionaires-3734339e?reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
  3. Surrogacy Unregulated: Debts + Profits: https://www.wsj.com/us-news/surrogacy-unregulated-debts-profits-b9fdd987?reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
  4. Fortune (Xu Bo + children + video game empire): https://fortune.com/2025/12/25/xu-bo-children-video-game-empire-guangzhou-duoyi-network/
  5. WSJ (Pavel Durov + children + fertility/sperm donation): https://www.wsj.com/world/pavel-durov-children-fertility-sperm-donation-3d6d5231?reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

Good for the Soul

  1. ItsSozer (Instagram): https://www.instagram.com/itssozer/?hl=en

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/


How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>Surrogacy can be a deeply meaningful path to parenthood and it can also be a billion-dollar industry. In this episode, we unpack what happens when “building a family” starts looking like a marketplace, and who actually gets protected when money, contracts, and power enter something as serious as pregnancy and birth.

We talk about why the U.S. has become a major global destination for surrogacy, and how inconsistent, state-by-state rules can create a system where the wealthy get options and the vulnerable take on the risk. When an industry grows faster than the guardrails, it’s not just messy, it can become exploitative.

We also dig into the 14th Amendment and birthright citizenship, and the uncomfortable question it raises: what happens when a right designed to protect the vulnerable becomes a tool the powerful can leverage? This isn’t about demonising parents or children - it’s about whether citizenship and reproduction are being treated like commodities.

Finally, we ask what regulation could look like without being “anti-family”: stronger protections for surrogates, clearer standards that prioritise the well-being of the child, and real accountability when things go wrong. If you’re pro-surrogacy, anti-surrogacy, or somewhere in the middle, we hope this episode helps you ask better questions and keeps the conversation honest.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:29 Billionaires and US Surrogacy

00:49 The MO News Podcast and Initial Reactions

02:47 Understanding the 14th Amendment and Birthright Citizenship

04:40 The Surrogacy Industry: Agencies and Regulations

05:20 International Billionaires and Surrogacy

06:40 Ethical and Social Implications

08:17 Legal and Regulatory Challenges

10:16 Personal Stories and Opinions

11:34 The Role of Money and Power

12:59 Conservative and Liberal Perspectives

21:36 Potential Solutions and Legislation

26:07 Peter Thiel's IVF Agencies in Southeast Asia

26:24 Religious Views and Surrogacy Ethics

27:20 Surrogacy Laws and the 14th Amendment

28:11 Protecting Surrogates and Babies

30:47 Bipartisan Efforts for Surrogacy Regulation

33:52 Global Surrogacy Practices and US Regulations

36:47 The Future of Surrogacy and Legal Recourse

41:22 Call to Action: Advocating for Surrogacy Laws

45:10 Good for the Soul: Kindness Army

46:31 Would You Rather: Surrogacy and Citizenship

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Instagram Reel: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DSWnB_xjRZc/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

  1. Chinese Billionaires, Surrogacy, Pregnancy: https://www.wsj.com/us-news/chinese-billionaires-surrogacy-pregnancy-7fdfc0c3?reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
  2. What to Know: Surrogacy + China + Billionaires: https://www.wsj.com/us-news/what-to-know-surrogacy-china-billionaires-3734339e?reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
  3. Surrogacy Unregulated: Debts + Profits: https://www.wsj.com/us-news/surrogacy-unregulated-debts-profits-b9fdd987?reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
  4. Fortune (Xu Bo + children + video game empire): https://fortune.com/2025/12/25/xu-bo-children-video-game-empire-guangzhou-duoyi-network/
  5. WSJ (Pavel Durov + children + fertility/sperm donation): https://www.wsj.com/world/pavel-durov-children-fertility-sperm-donation-3d6d5231?reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

Good for the Soul

  1. ItsSozer (Instagram): https://www.instagram.com/itssozer/?hl=en

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/


How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>ad8ff6f3-4cd3-405a-ae6a-b0a8d29497a4Wed, 21 Jan 2026 03:00:00 -040051:32truefull50502026 Is Already a Lot: Venezuela, ICE Shootings, Minnesota Fraud and Iran Uprising2026 Is Already a Lot: Venezuela, ICE Shootings, Minnesota Fraud and Iran Uprising2026 didn’t ease in gently — it kicked the door in. In this episode, Nicole (liberal) and Jolene (conservative) unpack three headlines that are already shaping the year: the Trump administration’s high-stakes move in Venezuela, the immigration firestorm at home (including ICE shootings and the Minnesota fraud scandal), and the uprising in Iran unfolding through a media blackout.

We talk about Venezuela as a foreign policy flashpoint; is this decisive strategy, reckless escalation, or something in between? And we keep coming back to the same question: what’s the plan after the headline? Because “shock and awe” isn’t a foreign policy, and the people who pay first are rarely the ones making the decisions.

Back in the U.S., we dig into how immigration debates get weaponised; how real events become political symbols, and how quickly entire communities get judged by the actions of a few. We wrestle with the tension between law enforcement and social justice, and what it looks like to enforce laws without losing your humanity.

And then there’s Iran. Courage in the dark, and the world’s silence. We explore the moral weight of “intervention” vs “do nothing,” and why everything now feels like a loyalty test. If you’re overwhelmed by 2026 already… same. Drop your thoughts in the comments — especially if you disagree — and keep it respectful.


RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Good for the Soul:

  1. Yes Theory (Instagram): https://www.instagram.com/yestheory/?hl=en
  2. YouTube Video: https://youtu.be/Zw0c2fmv1RM?si=1aVkJiD8q0zYHjhG


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/


How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>2026 didn’t ease in gently — it kicked the door in. In this episode, Nicole (liberal) and Jolene (conservative) unpack three headlines that are already shaping the year: the Trump administration’s high-stakes move in Venezuela, the immigration firestorm at home (including ICE shootings and the Minnesota fraud scandal), and the uprising in Iran unfolding through a media blackout.

We talk about Venezuela as a foreign policy flashpoint; is this decisive strategy, reckless escalation, or something in between? And we keep coming back to the same question: what’s the plan after the headline? Because “shock and awe” isn’t a foreign policy, and the people who pay first are rarely the ones making the decisions.

Back in the U.S., we dig into how immigration debates get weaponised; how real events become political symbols, and how quickly entire communities get judged by the actions of a few. We wrestle with the tension between law enforcement and social justice, and what it looks like to enforce laws without losing your humanity.

And then there’s Iran. Courage in the dark, and the world’s silence. We explore the moral weight of “intervention” vs “do nothing,” and why everything now feels like a loyalty test. If you’re overwhelmed by 2026 already… same. Drop your thoughts in the comments — especially if you disagree — and keep it respectful.


RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Good for the Soul:

  1. Yes Theory (Instagram): https://www.instagram.com/yestheory/?hl=en
  2. YouTube Video: https://youtu.be/Zw0c2fmv1RM?si=1aVkJiD8q0zYHjhG


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/


How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>b6ebbd7a-898e-4e6d-8a3f-f1a94c9db6c7Wed, 14 Jan 2026 04:00:00 -040001:20:12truefull4949Death and Dying: How Faith and Spirituality Shape Our Views on the AfterlifeDeath and Dying: How Faith and Spirituality Shape Our Views on the Afterlife⚠️ CONTENT WARNING ⚠️

This episode contains discussion of suicide and grief related to suicide loss. We share personal stories about losing loved ones to suicide, which may be difficult or triggering for some listeners.

If you or someone you know is struggling with suicidal thoughts, please reach out for help:

988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline: Call or text 988 (available 24/7 in the U.S.)

Crisis Text Line: Text HOME to 741741

International Association for Suicide Prevention: https://www.iasp.info/resources/Crisis_Centres/

You are not alone, and there is always help available. Your life matters.

We approach this topic with care and respect, but we understand it may not be appropriate for everyone at this time. Please prioritize your mental health and well-being.


—--

We're talking about death today - not in a morbid way, but in the honest, vulnerable way most people avoid their entire lives. Despite being friends for nearly 40 years, Jolene and I (Nicole) realized we'd never actually discussed death, dying, and what we believe comes after. So we decided to have that conversation. The one that makes most people uncomfortable but that everyone needs to have at some point.

Jolene's first confrontation with death came at 16 when her friend Stacy died by suicide - a traumatic event that shattered her worldview and taught her about grief's unexpected manifestations. My wake-up call was losing a college boyfriend, which propelled me to cherish life more acutely and ignited my awareness of life's fragility. Later, watching my mother disappear to dementia taught me that you can grieve someone long before their actual death. These experiences shaped how we each understand mortality and what matters most.

Our beliefs about what happens after death are different but lead to similar conclusions. Jolene, as a Catholic Christian, believes in heaven and eternal life - finding comfort in the idea that death is a transition, not an ending, and that even tragedy is part of God's plan. I don't subscribe to traditional heaven or hell, but I'm fascinated by the energy and signs that seem to accompany those who've passed. Whether those signs are real or just comfort my brain creates doesn't matter, they connect me to people I've lost and remind me that love endures.

Despite our different frameworks, we agree on what's fundamental: death is both universal and deeply personal. Talking about it openly diminishes fear's hold and brings us closer. We're urging you to have these conversations with people you love - discuss what you believe, what you fear, what you hope. Don't wait for the "right time" because there isn't one. The right time is now, before you're forced to have the conversation in a crisis.



RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Good for the Soul

Mo News

 https://www.youtube.com/moshehnews 

https://www.instagram.com/mosheh/?hl=en 


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>⚠️ CONTENT WARNING ⚠️

This episode contains discussion of suicide and grief related to suicide loss. We share personal stories about losing loved ones to suicide, which may be difficult or triggering for some listeners.

If you or someone you know is struggling with suicidal thoughts, please reach out for help:

988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline: Call or text 988 (available 24/7 in the U.S.)

Crisis Text Line: Text HOME to 741741

International Association for Suicide Prevention: https://www.iasp.info/resources/Crisis_Centres/

You are not alone, and there is always help available. Your life matters.

We approach this topic with care and respect, but we understand it may not be appropriate for everyone at this time. Please prioritize your mental health and well-being.


—--

We're talking about death today - not in a morbid way, but in the honest, vulnerable way most people avoid their entire lives. Despite being friends for nearly 40 years, Jolene and I (Nicole) realized we'd never actually discussed death, dying, and what we believe comes after. So we decided to have that conversation. The one that makes most people uncomfortable but that everyone needs to have at some point.

Jolene's first confrontation with death came at 16 when her friend Stacy died by suicide - a traumatic event that shattered her worldview and taught her about grief's unexpected manifestations. My wake-up call was losing a college boyfriend, which propelled me to cherish life more acutely and ignited my awareness of life's fragility. Later, watching my mother disappear to dementia taught me that you can grieve someone long before their actual death. These experiences shaped how we each understand mortality and what matters most.

Our beliefs about what happens after death are different but lead to similar conclusions. Jolene, as a Catholic Christian, believes in heaven and eternal life - finding comfort in the idea that death is a transition, not an ending, and that even tragedy is part of God's plan. I don't subscribe to traditional heaven or hell, but I'm fascinated by the energy and signs that seem to accompany those who've passed. Whether those signs are real or just comfort my brain creates doesn't matter, they connect me to people I've lost and remind me that love endures.

Despite our different frameworks, we agree on what's fundamental: death is both universal and deeply personal. Talking about it openly diminishes fear's hold and brings us closer. We're urging you to have these conversations with people you love - discuss what you believe, what you fear, what you hope. Don't wait for the "right time" because there isn't one. The right time is now, before you're forced to have the conversation in a crisis.



RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Good for the Soul

Mo News

 https://www.youtube.com/moshehnews 

https://www.instagram.com/mosheh/?hl=en 


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>9d19f444-37d6-4c2f-8003-438ce7a9e23cWed, 07 Jan 2026 03:00:00 -040054:03truefull4848Reflecting on the year that wasReflecting on the year that wasWe can’t believe it’s been a year! In this special episode, Nicole (liberal) and Jolene (conservative) reflect on what it’s really like to launch a podcast across the political divide—sharing honest behind-the-scenes moments, favourite interviews, and the biggest surprises of our journey so far.

From tackling tough topics like gun policy and abortion to finding unexpected common ground, we’ve learned that real conversation rooted in curiosity and respect, matters more than ever. Highlights include our powerful interview with Monica Guzman and the joy (and chaos) of producing nearly 50 episodes.

Looking ahead to 2026, we’re excited about our dream guest list, more listener-requested topics, and even more in-person episodes. Most of all, we’re grateful for our growing community. Your questions, feedback, and willingness to engage keep us inspired.

What should we talk about next? Who do you want to hear from? Drop your ideas in the comments or reach out on social media. Here’s to another year of bold conversations, big laughs, and maybe a little less drama. Thanks for being part of our journey!

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

https://youtu.be/NO-JBTsLaJQ?si=CJXW8kgAWB0rrqPr 

https://youtu.be/DqoLxk0-Yqk?si=DM8D1SI0bm3LW_UD 

https://youtu.be/A7YWXtWFmUY?si=Fm46ebPKwhvS-t_k 

https://youtu.be/80c6RbRn6uY?si=oiHHbdEkfqpDlIpU 

https://youtu.be/CCX1dN1nmvQ?si=4mASIe3l1dHMwfUQ 

https://youtu.be/5wtPeP8XwAk?si=ARDCTXaE1IebUvJ2 

https://youtu.be/AbH8U7m5kos?si=kKFQIsybFSbhB1Zu 

https://youtu.be/qydEt3wbPXQ?si=UNyUEa_LO-qpE4r6 

https://youtu.be/f8uozb6VN9k?si=mDg9qxQCucuKB_fH 

https://youtu.be/xkXscmE9l_s?si=uRXBula4h5qBgljI 

https://youtu.be/V7Wyw5uZegc?si=qpUQ227NwkVwyB4T 

https://youtu.be/qS2O1rgf2YM?si=FUcxIQ48ig-2YWW_ 

https://youtu.be/pBmP42Mmamw?si=qqCFona0O8B1d5N6 

https://youtu.be/E-gH6CVSFGk?si=JkS2XMpUeK_BOS_Y 

Independent News Sources:

https://www.mo.news/ 

https://www.readtangle.com/ 

https://san.com/ 

Good for the Soul: 

https://www.instagram.com/love_animalsgram/

https://www.instagram.com/maxinem_x/ 



LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 

]]>We can’t believe it’s been a year! In this special episode, Nicole (liberal) and Jolene (conservative) reflect on what it’s really like to launch a podcast across the political divide—sharing honest behind-the-scenes moments, favourite interviews, and the biggest surprises of our journey so far.

From tackling tough topics like gun policy and abortion to finding unexpected common ground, we’ve learned that real conversation rooted in curiosity and respect, matters more than ever. Highlights include our powerful interview with Monica Guzman and the joy (and chaos) of producing nearly 50 episodes.

Looking ahead to 2026, we’re excited about our dream guest list, more listener-requested topics, and even more in-person episodes. Most of all, we’re grateful for our growing community. Your questions, feedback, and willingness to engage keep us inspired.

What should we talk about next? Who do you want to hear from? Drop your ideas in the comments or reach out on social media. Here’s to another year of bold conversations, big laughs, and maybe a little less drama. Thanks for being part of our journey!

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

https://youtu.be/NO-JBTsLaJQ?si=CJXW8kgAWB0rrqPr 

https://youtu.be/DqoLxk0-Yqk?si=DM8D1SI0bm3LW_UD 

https://youtu.be/A7YWXtWFmUY?si=Fm46ebPKwhvS-t_k 

https://youtu.be/80c6RbRn6uY?si=oiHHbdEkfqpDlIpU 

https://youtu.be/CCX1dN1nmvQ?si=4mASIe3l1dHMwfUQ 

https://youtu.be/5wtPeP8XwAk?si=ARDCTXaE1IebUvJ2 

https://youtu.be/AbH8U7m5kos?si=kKFQIsybFSbhB1Zu 

https://youtu.be/qydEt3wbPXQ?si=UNyUEa_LO-qpE4r6 

https://youtu.be/f8uozb6VN9k?si=mDg9qxQCucuKB_fH 

https://youtu.be/xkXscmE9l_s?si=uRXBula4h5qBgljI 

https://youtu.be/V7Wyw5uZegc?si=qpUQ227NwkVwyB4T 

https://youtu.be/qS2O1rgf2YM?si=FUcxIQ48ig-2YWW_ 

https://youtu.be/pBmP42Mmamw?si=qqCFona0O8B1d5N6 

https://youtu.be/E-gH6CVSFGk?si=JkS2XMpUeK_BOS_Y 

Independent News Sources:

https://www.mo.news/ 

https://www.readtangle.com/ 

https://san.com/ 

Good for the Soul: 

https://www.instagram.com/love_animalsgram/

https://www.instagram.com/maxinem_x/ 



LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 

]]>ec3c4aab-9b7b-479a-a115-c85b03cfe607Wed, 31 Dec 2025 03:00:00 -040037:03truefull4747Christmas & Hanukkah: How We Celebrate the HolidaysChristmas & Hanukkah: How We Celebrate the HolidaysThe holiday season is here, and we're talking about what Christmas and Hanukkah mean to us, how we navigate the pressure and expectations, and why the spirit of the season matters more than perfect decorations or expensive gifts.

Jolene celebrates a traditional Christmas with stockings, a beautifully decorated tree, and all the festive cheer. I (Nicole) grew up celebrating both Christmas and Hanukkah, experiencing the magic of Christmas morning and the ritual of lighting the menorah for eight nights. We both agree on the beauty of holiday decorations - whether it's stars or angels, menorahs or nativity scenes, there's something universally warming about homes lit up with festive spirit.

But let's be honest about the pressure. This is when people feel enormous expectations. Perfect decorations, elaborate meals, mountains of gifts. For families already struggling, the holidays can amplify stress instead of bringing joy. The pressure to buy, buy, buy can overshadow the actual spirit of giving from the heart. The most meaningful gifts often cost nothing; time, attention, presence, acts of service.

The holidays are what you make of them. It's okay if your decorations aren't Pinterest-perfect or you can't afford elaborate gifts. What matters is showing up for people you love, extending compassion to those struggling, and finding moments of genuine joy and connection. That's the real spirit of the season.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Jolene’s Sweater:

https://www.samsclub.com/ 

Sweets:

https://www.lifeloveandsugar.com/easy-lemon-bars-recipe/

https://www.loveandlemons.com/mexican-wedding-cookies/

https://onehotoven.com/pecan-tassies/ 

https://www.food.com/recipe/easy-homemade-almond-roca-106641 

https://www.thepioneerwoman.com/food-cooking/recipes/a62334590/holiday-haystacks-recipe/ 

https://sallysbakingaddiction.com/best-sugar-cookies/ 

Christmas Movies:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0356680/?ref_=fn_t_1

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0038650/ 

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110527/

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0319343/?ref_=fn_i_1 


Good For The Soul:

https://www.instagram.com/rockyroaddoodles/?hl=en


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

On Spotify:  https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

Our Website: https://www.wevegottotalk.com/

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/, 

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>The holiday season is here, and we're talking about what Christmas and Hanukkah mean to us, how we navigate the pressure and expectations, and why the spirit of the season matters more than perfect decorations or expensive gifts.

Jolene celebrates a traditional Christmas with stockings, a beautifully decorated tree, and all the festive cheer. I (Nicole) grew up celebrating both Christmas and Hanukkah, experiencing the magic of Christmas morning and the ritual of lighting the menorah for eight nights. We both agree on the beauty of holiday decorations - whether it's stars or angels, menorahs or nativity scenes, there's something universally warming about homes lit up with festive spirit.

But let's be honest about the pressure. This is when people feel enormous expectations. Perfect decorations, elaborate meals, mountains of gifts. For families already struggling, the holidays can amplify stress instead of bringing joy. The pressure to buy, buy, buy can overshadow the actual spirit of giving from the heart. The most meaningful gifts often cost nothing; time, attention, presence, acts of service.

The holidays are what you make of them. It's okay if your decorations aren't Pinterest-perfect or you can't afford elaborate gifts. What matters is showing up for people you love, extending compassion to those struggling, and finding moments of genuine joy and connection. That's the real spirit of the season.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Jolene’s Sweater:

https://www.samsclub.com/ 

Sweets:

https://www.lifeloveandsugar.com/easy-lemon-bars-recipe/

https://www.loveandlemons.com/mexican-wedding-cookies/

https://onehotoven.com/pecan-tassies/ 

https://www.food.com/recipe/easy-homemade-almond-roca-106641 

https://www.thepioneerwoman.com/food-cooking/recipes/a62334590/holiday-haystacks-recipe/ 

https://sallysbakingaddiction.com/best-sugar-cookies/ 

Christmas Movies:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0356680/?ref_=fn_t_1

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0038650/ 

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110527/

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0319343/?ref_=fn_i_1 


Good For The Soul:

https://www.instagram.com/rockyroaddoodles/?hl=en


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

On Spotify:  https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

Our Website: https://www.wevegottotalk.com/

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/, 

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>0b1fd77d-1d45-4a76-8e61-ee8a31837c9fWed, 24 Dec 2025 03:00:00 -040057:06truefull46465 Pet Peeves & 5 Things That Bring Us Joy5 Pet Peeves & 5 Things That Bring Us JoyAfter spending months dissecting politics, gun control, and the collapse of American democracy, we desperately needed a break. So today we're talking about the stuff that occupies more of our mental space than we’d care to admit: our pet peeves from everyday life and the tiny moments of joy that remind us life isn’t all bad. Because honestly, sometimes the person who won't get out of the left lane feels more urgent than foreign policy.

The mix of irritation and joy is what makes life entertaining. If everything was perfect, we'd have nothing to laugh about over coffee. If everything was terrible, we'd never get out of bed. The combination of the annoying drivers and the unexpected smiles, the language crimes and the perfect hugs - that's the whole human experience right there.

So here's our very official challenge: notice both. Notice what makes you irrationally annoyed, because those irritations are valid and often hilarious in hindsight. But also notice what brings you joy, because those moments are everywhere if you're paying attention. And maybe try to be someone else's "simple joy" today instead of their "why are people like this" story.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

News and Media: Tangle Newsletter: https://www.readtangle.com/

Podcast Content: Heavyweight Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/heavyweight/id1150800298

Good for the Soul: Kaizen (Instagram): https://www.instagram.com/thatskaizen/?hl=en

Product Reference: BrassCraft Hair Snake (Home Depot): https://www.homedepot.com/p/BrassCraft-20-in-Plastic-Hair-Snake-BC00112/305468409

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>After spending months dissecting politics, gun control, and the collapse of American democracy, we desperately needed a break. So today we're talking about the stuff that occupies more of our mental space than we’d care to admit: our pet peeves from everyday life and the tiny moments of joy that remind us life isn’t all bad. Because honestly, sometimes the person who won't get out of the left lane feels more urgent than foreign policy.

The mix of irritation and joy is what makes life entertaining. If everything was perfect, we'd have nothing to laugh about over coffee. If everything was terrible, we'd never get out of bed. The combination of the annoying drivers and the unexpected smiles, the language crimes and the perfect hugs - that's the whole human experience right there.

So here's our very official challenge: notice both. Notice what makes you irrationally annoyed, because those irritations are valid and often hilarious in hindsight. But also notice what brings you joy, because those moments are everywhere if you're paying attention. And maybe try to be someone else's "simple joy" today instead of their "why are people like this" story.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

News and Media: Tangle Newsletter: https://www.readtangle.com/

Podcast Content: Heavyweight Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/heavyweight/id1150800298

Good for the Soul: Kaizen (Instagram): https://www.instagram.com/thatskaizen/?hl=en

Product Reference: BrassCraft Hair Snake (Home Depot): https://www.homedepot.com/p/BrassCraft-20-in-Plastic-Hair-Snake-BC00112/305468409

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>9960687e-80ee-4150-9696-94dbc173d2b0Wed, 17 Dec 2025 03:00:00 -040056:31truefull4545Monica Guzman: Why Talking Politics With Family Isn't Just Okay - It's EssentialMonica Guzman: Why Talking Politics With Family Isn't Just Okay - It's EssentialWhat if the advice to avoid talking about politics is actually making everything worse? In our first-ever guest interview, we sit down with Monica Guzman - author of "I Never Thought of It That Way," and advisor at Braver Angels to talk about how to have fearlessly curious conversations in dangerously divided times.

Monica doesn't sugarcoat it: America is fraying. Social media has made it easy to be incurious while feeling righteous, and "conflict entrepreneurs" are profiting off our division. But she believes the only way forward is to keep talking to each other, especially across disagreement.

Her advice for navigating political conversations - especially during the holidays: • Know what you're after: connection or persuasion? 

• Step away from social media and have tough conversations face-to-face 

• Ask "how" instead of "why" - invite people to share their story, not defend their position 

• Remember that curiosity and grace are contagious

Monica shares a powerful story about bringing liberal Seattleites to meet conservative Oregon farmers. What they discovered: we're all terrible at estimating what the "other side" really thinks. Studies show both liberals and conservatives wildly overestimate support for extreme positions like political violence. The best intervention? Talking to real people, not caricatures.

Some argue America should split into "Divided States." Monica pushes back hard: that's a lie pushed by extremes for political gain. The truth? The more time we spend only with people who agree with us, the dumber we get. We need each other to make wise decisions for a healthy society.

Is there hope? Absolutely. The revolution isn't happening in halls of power - it's happening in living rooms, coffee shops, and podcasts. People choosing dialogue over dismissal are the real counterculture.

Monica leaves us with "sonder" - the realization that every person has a life as vivid and complex as your own. When we remember that, everything changes.

Read Monica's book "I Never Thought of It That Way" and join the movement toward fearless curiosity.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 - Introduction: Why We Talk Across Political Divides

00:21 - Meet Monica Guzman: Author of "I Never Thought of It That Way"

01:36 - Is America More Divided Than Ever?

03:14 - Social Media, Outrage, and the Curiosity Crisis

05:27 - How to Have Difficult Conversations With Family

08:09 - The Power of Curiosity and Grace in Bridge Building

09:49 - Why "How" Questions Work Better Than "Why"

11:57 - Breaking Down Misconceptions About the Other Side

14:16 - Monica’s Sherman County Project: Liberals Meet Conservatives

18:30 - What Urban and Rural America Can Learn From Each Other

21:58 - Are We Really Hopelessly Divided?

24:16 - Why We Need Each Other: The Beating Heart of Democracy

27:00 - Signs of Hope: The Revolution of Conversation

29:10 - Sonder: Seeing the Humanity in Everyone

30:53 - Would You Rather: Monica’s Game on Difference

33:44 - Final Thoughts and Thank You to Monica Guzman


RESOURCES MENTIONED:


Connect with Monica:

https://www.moniguzman.com/book

https://braverangels.org/author/moniguzmangmail-com/



LINKS

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

On Spotify:  https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/, 

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 



]]>What if the advice to avoid talking about politics is actually making everything worse? In our first-ever guest interview, we sit down with Monica Guzman - author of "I Never Thought of It That Way," and advisor at Braver Angels to talk about how to have fearlessly curious conversations in dangerously divided times.

Monica doesn't sugarcoat it: America is fraying. Social media has made it easy to be incurious while feeling righteous, and "conflict entrepreneurs" are profiting off our division. But she believes the only way forward is to keep talking to each other, especially across disagreement.

Her advice for navigating political conversations - especially during the holidays: • Know what you're after: connection or persuasion? 

• Step away from social media and have tough conversations face-to-face 

• Ask "how" instead of "why" - invite people to share their story, not defend their position 

• Remember that curiosity and grace are contagious

Monica shares a powerful story about bringing liberal Seattleites to meet conservative Oregon farmers. What they discovered: we're all terrible at estimating what the "other side" really thinks. Studies show both liberals and conservatives wildly overestimate support for extreme positions like political violence. The best intervention? Talking to real people, not caricatures.

Some argue America should split into "Divided States." Monica pushes back hard: that's a lie pushed by extremes for political gain. The truth? The more time we spend only with people who agree with us, the dumber we get. We need each other to make wise decisions for a healthy society.

Is there hope? Absolutely. The revolution isn't happening in halls of power - it's happening in living rooms, coffee shops, and podcasts. People choosing dialogue over dismissal are the real counterculture.

Monica leaves us with "sonder" - the realization that every person has a life as vivid and complex as your own. When we remember that, everything changes.

Read Monica's book "I Never Thought of It That Way" and join the movement toward fearless curiosity.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 - Introduction: Why We Talk Across Political Divides

00:21 - Meet Monica Guzman: Author of "I Never Thought of It That Way"

01:36 - Is America More Divided Than Ever?

03:14 - Social Media, Outrage, and the Curiosity Crisis

05:27 - How to Have Difficult Conversations With Family

08:09 - The Power of Curiosity and Grace in Bridge Building

09:49 - Why "How" Questions Work Better Than "Why"

11:57 - Breaking Down Misconceptions About the Other Side

14:16 - Monica’s Sherman County Project: Liberals Meet Conservatives

18:30 - What Urban and Rural America Can Learn From Each Other

21:58 - Are We Really Hopelessly Divided?

24:16 - Why We Need Each Other: The Beating Heart of Democracy

27:00 - Signs of Hope: The Revolution of Conversation

29:10 - Sonder: Seeing the Humanity in Everyone

30:53 - Would You Rather: Monica’s Game on Difference

33:44 - Final Thoughts and Thank You to Monica Guzman


RESOURCES MENTIONED:


Connect with Monica:

https://www.moniguzman.com/book

https://braverangels.org/author/moniguzmangmail-com/



LINKS

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

On Spotify:  https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/, 

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 



]]>357510c1-2983-407d-ad0f-a6bef7c16134Wed, 10 Dec 2025 03:00:00 -040045:53truefull4444Working Full-Time But Still Poor: The 55 Million American Households We Need To Talk AboutWorking Full-Time But Still Poor: The 55 Million American Households We Need To Talk AboutThere's a massive group of Americans we don’t talk enough about; people who work full-time, pay their taxes, and still can't afford basic necessities. They earn too much to qualify for government assistance but too little to actually survive. They're called ALICE: Asset Limited, Income Constrained, Employed. And they represent 38 million households  (29% of America). Combined with those below the federal poverty line, that's 55 million households, or 42% of the entire country, struggling to make ends meet. 

I (Jolene) learned about ALICE through a friend who works for United Way, and honestly, it changed how I think about poverty in America. As a conservative, I've always believed in personal responsibility and hard work. But ALICE represents people who are doing everything right - working full-time jobs, showing up every day, contributing to society, and yet they still can't make ends meet. That's not a character failure. That's a system failure.

Nicole's perspective as a liberal aligns with mine on this more than you'd expect. She sees ALICE as proof that the social safety net has massive gaps. You can work full-time and still not afford childcare, housing, transportation, and healthcare. The federal poverty line is outdated and doesn't reflect the actual cost of living, which is exactly why United for ALICE created the Household Survival Budget. This is a metric that reflects the real minimum costs of necessities like housing, childcare, food, transportation, healthcare, and technology, plus taxes, adjusted for every county in the United States.

You can get involved with United for ALICE through their website at unitedforalice.org or through United Way in your state. You can donate, volunteer, or advocate for policies that support working families. You can also just start talking about this issue, because the first step to solving a problem is acknowledging it exists.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:


United for ALICE: 

https://www.unitedforalice.org/ United Way: https://www.unitedway.org/ United Way National Overview (Interactive Map): https://unitedforalice.org/national-overview#4.5/36.316/-95.842

Books: Abundance by Ezra Klein: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Abundance/Ezra-Klein/9781668023488

Good for the Soul: 

Ezra Klein & Spencer Cox: https://youtu.be/WJB87niNCk0?si=o7alUusFQMsS1I-6

Social Media/Inspiration: 

James Talarico (Instagram): 

https://www.instagram.com/jamestalarico/?hl=en 

Plumes Officiel (Instagram):

 https://www.instagram.com/plumesofficiel/

Business Resources: 

Mark Cuban MasterClass - Win Big in Business: https://www.masterclass.com/classes/win-big-in-business/chapters/win-big-in-business Mark 

Cuban Cost Plus Drug Company: 

https://www.costplusdrugs.com/


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>There's a massive group of Americans we don’t talk enough about; people who work full-time, pay their taxes, and still can't afford basic necessities. They earn too much to qualify for government assistance but too little to actually survive. They're called ALICE: Asset Limited, Income Constrained, Employed. And they represent 38 million households  (29% of America). Combined with those below the federal poverty line, that's 55 million households, or 42% of the entire country, struggling to make ends meet. 

I (Jolene) learned about ALICE through a friend who works for United Way, and honestly, it changed how I think about poverty in America. As a conservative, I've always believed in personal responsibility and hard work. But ALICE represents people who are doing everything right - working full-time jobs, showing up every day, contributing to society, and yet they still can't make ends meet. That's not a character failure. That's a system failure.

Nicole's perspective as a liberal aligns with mine on this more than you'd expect. She sees ALICE as proof that the social safety net has massive gaps. You can work full-time and still not afford childcare, housing, transportation, and healthcare. The federal poverty line is outdated and doesn't reflect the actual cost of living, which is exactly why United for ALICE created the Household Survival Budget. This is a metric that reflects the real minimum costs of necessities like housing, childcare, food, transportation, healthcare, and technology, plus taxes, adjusted for every county in the United States.

You can get involved with United for ALICE through their website at unitedforalice.org or through United Way in your state. You can donate, volunteer, or advocate for policies that support working families. You can also just start talking about this issue, because the first step to solving a problem is acknowledging it exists.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:


United for ALICE: 

https://www.unitedforalice.org/ United Way: https://www.unitedway.org/ United Way National Overview (Interactive Map): https://unitedforalice.org/national-overview#4.5/36.316/-95.842

Books: Abundance by Ezra Klein: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Abundance/Ezra-Klein/9781668023488

Good for the Soul: 

Ezra Klein & Spencer Cox: https://youtu.be/WJB87niNCk0?si=o7alUusFQMsS1I-6

Social Media/Inspiration: 

James Talarico (Instagram): 

https://www.instagram.com/jamestalarico/?hl=en 

Plumes Officiel (Instagram):

 https://www.instagram.com/plumesofficiel/

Business Resources: 

Mark Cuban MasterClass - Win Big in Business: https://www.masterclass.com/classes/win-big-in-business/chapters/win-big-in-business Mark 

Cuban Cost Plus Drug Company: 

https://www.costplusdrugs.com/


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>4607b1d5-36b0-46df-b91c-f47cf0f5dee4Wed, 03 Dec 2025 03:00:00 -040047:42truefull4343Our Thanksgiving Traditions: How Food and Family Unite Us Across Political LinesOur Thanksgiving Traditions: How Food and Family Unite Us Across Political LinesThanksgiving is supposed to be about gratitude, family, and great food - but with tensions running high in America, the holidays might feel more charged than usual. In this episode, we share how to actually enjoy Thanksgiving without avoiding meaningful conversation or ending up in a screaming match.

Growing up, our Thanksgivings looked different but felt the same: togetherness, gratitude, and way too much food. Now as adults with our own traditions and chosen families, we've learned something crucial: curiosity beats judgment every single time.

When someone says something you disagree with at the dinner table, what if you asked a genuine question instead of arguing? Questions that start with "how" instead of "why" invite conversation instead of confrontation. How did you come to that conclusion? How does that affect you personally? These questions create understanding instead of arguments.

Everyone is the protagonist in their own story, operating from their own experiences and values. When you approach conversations from that perspective, it's easier to listen without immediately judging.

This doesn't mean agreeing with everything or abandoning your boundaries. It means approaching disagreement with curiosity about how someone arrived at their position, rather than dismissing them.

We're proof that people with completely different political views can genuinely enjoy each other's company. The secret isn't agreeing on everything; it's respecting each other enough to listen, ask questions, and assume good faith.

This Thanksgiving, approach your gathering with an open heart and genuine curiosity. Set boundaries if needed, but don't avoid all meaningful conversations just because they might be uncomfortable. Some of the best memories come from real conversations where vulnerability and honesty create connection instead of conflict.

Happy Thanksgiving from two friends who prove that liberals and conservatives can break bread together without breaking each other.


RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Luby's: 

https://www.lubys.com/

Kerrygold USA: 

https://www.kerrygoldusa.com/

Good for the Soul:

People Choosing Kindness (Instagram): https://www.instagram.com/peoplechoosingkindness/

Tangle: 

https://youtu.be/_ys-UNz5U24?si=sNsUCJ3LVAreVQWN




LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 


]]>Thanksgiving is supposed to be about gratitude, family, and great food - but with tensions running high in America, the holidays might feel more charged than usual. In this episode, we share how to actually enjoy Thanksgiving without avoiding meaningful conversation or ending up in a screaming match.

Growing up, our Thanksgivings looked different but felt the same: togetherness, gratitude, and way too much food. Now as adults with our own traditions and chosen families, we've learned something crucial: curiosity beats judgment every single time.

When someone says something you disagree with at the dinner table, what if you asked a genuine question instead of arguing? Questions that start with "how" instead of "why" invite conversation instead of confrontation. How did you come to that conclusion? How does that affect you personally? These questions create understanding instead of arguments.

Everyone is the protagonist in their own story, operating from their own experiences and values. When you approach conversations from that perspective, it's easier to listen without immediately judging.

This doesn't mean agreeing with everything or abandoning your boundaries. It means approaching disagreement with curiosity about how someone arrived at their position, rather than dismissing them.

We're proof that people with completely different political views can genuinely enjoy each other's company. The secret isn't agreeing on everything; it's respecting each other enough to listen, ask questions, and assume good faith.

This Thanksgiving, approach your gathering with an open heart and genuine curiosity. Set boundaries if needed, but don't avoid all meaningful conversations just because they might be uncomfortable. Some of the best memories come from real conversations where vulnerability and honesty create connection instead of conflict.

Happy Thanksgiving from two friends who prove that liberals and conservatives can break bread together without breaking each other.


RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Luby's: 

https://www.lubys.com/

Kerrygold USA: 

https://www.kerrygoldusa.com/

Good for the Soul:

People Choosing Kindness (Instagram): https://www.instagram.com/peoplechoosingkindness/

Tangle: 

https://youtu.be/_ys-UNz5U24?si=sNsUCJ3LVAreVQWN




LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 


]]>4165ef99-d069-4c88-b73f-cc30a3925ba2Wed, 26 Nov 2025 03:00:00 -040053:57truefull4242Prayer vs Meditation: Your Brain Can't Tell the DifferencePrayer vs Meditation: Your Brain Can't Tell the DifferenceWe're about to talk about religion, which means a good portion of you just got a little uncomfortable. But here's something wild that might make this conversation easier: science shows that prayer and meditation do essentially the same thing to your brain. Whether you're a Christian praying in a church or an atheist meditating in your living room, your brain is having a remarkably similar experience. Today we're taking a look at why these practices work, how they're more alike than different, and why maybe we should all stop arguing about whose version is "right."

Whether you pray to God, meditate on your breath, or find peace in nature, you're tapping into something fundamental about human consciousness. You're creating space for stillness in a noisy world. You're cultivating compassion in a culture that often rewards cruelty. You're choosing presence over distraction.

We're not here to convert anyone to prayer or meditation. We're here to share what works for us and invite you to explore what might work for you. Maybe it's the practice you grew up with. Maybe it's something completely new. Maybe it's a combination of traditions that speaks to your specific experience.

The invitation is simple: get curious. Explore. Try things. Notice what creates peace, connection, and clarity in your life. And then do more of that, regardless of what it's called or where it comes from.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Dr. Andrew Newberg Content: 

The Mel Robbins Podcast with Dr. Andrew Newberg: https://youtu.be/zVXOyp0q9pA?si=EH_9NfllFj48v1jJ 

Dr. Andrew Newberg TED Talk: 

https://youtu.be/7SJCDLHyeqk?si=Jq3ncdR6w4Pv0WdD Additional Video: https://youtu.be/JdVmBH7HYoY?si=Adw5nPkLyL7ifJHM

Prayer and Meditation Resources: 

Jesus Calling: 

https://www.jesuscalling.com/

Good for the Soul: 

Ohhthatsrich (Instagram): 

https://www.instagram.com/ohhthatsrich/?hl=en 

60 Minutes with Spencer Cox: 

https://youtu.be/sk8Ct961EMc?si=KVWxThdZXA9rVFQe

Books and Educational Resources: 

TA for Tots: https://archive.org/details/tafortotsandothe0000free

Science and Nature: 

James Webb Telescope - Space Telescope Science Institute: https://youtu.be/xID7xvIYmEk?si=1U06VfpZ-gR3nDUw

Miscellaneous: 

The Protest Rats (NYC Reddit): https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1iayxo5/has_any_one_ever_seen_this_many_rats_before/



LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 


]]>We're about to talk about religion, which means a good portion of you just got a little uncomfortable. But here's something wild that might make this conversation easier: science shows that prayer and meditation do essentially the same thing to your brain. Whether you're a Christian praying in a church or an atheist meditating in your living room, your brain is having a remarkably similar experience. Today we're taking a look at why these practices work, how they're more alike than different, and why maybe we should all stop arguing about whose version is "right."

Whether you pray to God, meditate on your breath, or find peace in nature, you're tapping into something fundamental about human consciousness. You're creating space for stillness in a noisy world. You're cultivating compassion in a culture that often rewards cruelty. You're choosing presence over distraction.

We're not here to convert anyone to prayer or meditation. We're here to share what works for us and invite you to explore what might work for you. Maybe it's the practice you grew up with. Maybe it's something completely new. Maybe it's a combination of traditions that speaks to your specific experience.

The invitation is simple: get curious. Explore. Try things. Notice what creates peace, connection, and clarity in your life. And then do more of that, regardless of what it's called or where it comes from.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Dr. Andrew Newberg Content: 

The Mel Robbins Podcast with Dr. Andrew Newberg: https://youtu.be/zVXOyp0q9pA?si=EH_9NfllFj48v1jJ 

Dr. Andrew Newberg TED Talk: 

https://youtu.be/7SJCDLHyeqk?si=Jq3ncdR6w4Pv0WdD Additional Video: https://youtu.be/JdVmBH7HYoY?si=Adw5nPkLyL7ifJHM

Prayer and Meditation Resources: 

Jesus Calling: 

https://www.jesuscalling.com/

Good for the Soul: 

Ohhthatsrich (Instagram): 

https://www.instagram.com/ohhthatsrich/?hl=en 

60 Minutes with Spencer Cox: 

https://youtu.be/sk8Ct961EMc?si=KVWxThdZXA9rVFQe

Books and Educational Resources: 

TA for Tots: https://archive.org/details/tafortotsandothe0000free

Science and Nature: 

James Webb Telescope - Space Telescope Science Institute: https://youtu.be/xID7xvIYmEk?si=1U06VfpZ-gR3nDUw

Miscellaneous: 

The Protest Rats (NYC Reddit): https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1iayxo5/has_any_one_ever_seen_this_many_rats_before/



LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 


]]>6282eb5c-65b0-4886-baa0-f0844303dec1Wed, 19 Nov 2025 03:00:00 -040054:53truefull4141What Every Woman Needs to Know About Menopause and HRTWhat Every Woman Needs to Know About Menopause and HRTMenopause is a natural life transition that half the population will experience, yet somehow it remains medicine's best-kept secret. 

I (Nicole) spent months getting shuffled between specialists, each one treating individual symptoms without connecting the obvious dots. Itchy skin? See a dermatologist. Mood changes? Try therapy. Bone loss? Take calcium supplements.

Each doctor had a different diagnosis. None of them mentioned menopause.

Then came the osteoporosis diagnosis, and suddenly everything clicked. But it shouldn't have taken a bone density scan to get answers about something as predictable as menopause. 

Today we're talking about why women's health care is broken, how hormone replacement therapy changed everything, and why the medical establishment would rather prescribe antidepressants than admit they don't understand women's bodies.

DISCLAIMER:

While we make every effort to make sure the information in this podcast/article is accurate and informative, the information does not take the place of professional or medical advice.

Do not use our information:

  • to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease
  • for therapeutic purposes
  • as a substitute for the advice of a health professional.

We do not accept any liability for any injury, loss or damage caused by use of the information provided in our podcast.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Dr. Mary Claire Haver (Instagram): https://www.instagram.com/drmaryclaire/?hl=en 

Dr. Mary Claire Haver on Armchair Expert: https://armchairexpertpod.com/pods/mary-claire-haver 

The Dr. Hyman Show Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-dr-hyman-show/id1382804627 

North American Menopause Society: https://menopause.org/ 

Dr. Adrienne Simone: https://dradriennesimone.com/ 

Dr. Amy Grace (Tulane): https://medicine.tulane.edu/departments/obstetrics-gynecology/faculty/amy-grace-md 

Dr. Vonda Wright (Instagram): https://www.instagram.com/drvondawright/?hl=en 

Dr. Kelly Casperson (Instagram): https://www.instagram.com/kellycaspersonmd/?hl=en 

Midlife Private Parts: https://www.midlifeprivateparts.com/

Video Content: 

YouTube Live Stream: https://www.youtube.com/live/_2ZRlOivC5M?si=FtyFdcBwX2eoPeQl 

Dr Mary Claire on Katie Couric: https://youtu.be/lkDNlXHzD2M?si=BWNBIamLD0d1NJ_n 

Dr Mary Claire on Mel Robbins: https://youtu.be/ReFZ__ZeSEQ?si=YNrZHvY6b8CXh03t 

Dr Mary Claire on Diary of A CEO: https://youtu.be/oQqcnYcKx68?si=piv1uHAb4WxAEdhJ

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>Menopause is a natural life transition that half the population will experience, yet somehow it remains medicine's best-kept secret. 

I (Nicole) spent months getting shuffled between specialists, each one treating individual symptoms without connecting the obvious dots. Itchy skin? See a dermatologist. Mood changes? Try therapy. Bone loss? Take calcium supplements.

Each doctor had a different diagnosis. None of them mentioned menopause.

Then came the osteoporosis diagnosis, and suddenly everything clicked. But it shouldn't have taken a bone density scan to get answers about something as predictable as menopause. 

Today we're talking about why women's health care is broken, how hormone replacement therapy changed everything, and why the medical establishment would rather prescribe antidepressants than admit they don't understand women's bodies.

DISCLAIMER:

While we make every effort to make sure the information in this podcast/article is accurate and informative, the information does not take the place of professional or medical advice.

Do not use our information:

  • to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease
  • for therapeutic purposes
  • as a substitute for the advice of a health professional.

We do not accept any liability for any injury, loss or damage caused by use of the information provided in our podcast.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Dr. Mary Claire Haver (Instagram): https://www.instagram.com/drmaryclaire/?hl=en 

Dr. Mary Claire Haver on Armchair Expert: https://armchairexpertpod.com/pods/mary-claire-haver 

The Dr. Hyman Show Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-dr-hyman-show/id1382804627 

North American Menopause Society: https://menopause.org/ 

Dr. Adrienne Simone: https://dradriennesimone.com/ 

Dr. Amy Grace (Tulane): https://medicine.tulane.edu/departments/obstetrics-gynecology/faculty/amy-grace-md 

Dr. Vonda Wright (Instagram): https://www.instagram.com/drvondawright/?hl=en 

Dr. Kelly Casperson (Instagram): https://www.instagram.com/kellycaspersonmd/?hl=en 

Midlife Private Parts: https://www.midlifeprivateparts.com/

Video Content: 

YouTube Live Stream: https://www.youtube.com/live/_2ZRlOivC5M?si=FtyFdcBwX2eoPeQl 

Dr Mary Claire on Katie Couric: https://youtu.be/lkDNlXHzD2M?si=BWNBIamLD0d1NJ_n 

Dr Mary Claire on Mel Robbins: https://youtu.be/ReFZ__ZeSEQ?si=YNrZHvY6b8CXh03t 

Dr Mary Claire on Diary of A CEO: https://youtu.be/oQqcnYcKx68?si=piv1uHAb4WxAEdhJ

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>d264aaea-8c86-428f-87c0-82b22f7eb05dWed, 12 Nov 2025 03:00:00 -040055:21truefull4040Gavin Newsom 2028: Can California's Governor Win a National Election? Liberal vs ConservativeGavin Newsom 2028: Can California's Governor Win a National Election? Liberal vs ConservativeCalifornia Governor Gavin Newsom is everywhere right now - doing podcasts, engaging with conservative voices, and very obviously positioning himself for a 2028 presidential run. He's got the hair, the charisma, and the baggage that comes with governing California. Today we're talking about whether Newsom could actually win a national election, and whether the kid I (Nicole) knew from afar in high school, wearing blazers and slicked-back hair, could actually become president.

I (Nicole) went to high school with Gavin Newsom. Even back then, he had this air of sophistication that set him apart. While the rest of us were in jeans and t-shirts, Gavin showed up in blazers looking like he was already running for something. It's surreal to think that the same person I knew as a teenager might shape America's political future. But what's actually beneath that perfectly coiffed exterior?

Jolene's been watching Newsom with curiosity. As a conservative, she sees him as the political shapeshifter of our time. Someone with Bill Clinton-level charisma who can connect across party lines, but who also carries the weight of California's very visible problems. Homelessness, crime, cost of living, people fleeing the state - these aren't just Republican talking points; they're real issues that Newsom would have to answer for on a national stage.

What's interesting to both of us is how Newsom forces a conversation about what we actually want in leaders. Do we want perfectly polished politicians who never make mistakes, or do we want flawed humans who own their failures and try to do better? Do we want leaders who only talk to people who agree with them, or do we want someone willing to engage across ideological lines?

Jolene's watching to see if Newsom can address California's problems convincingly. I'm watching to see if his authenticity and communication skills can translate to a national campaign. We're both curious about whether someone who's willing to talk to Steve Bannon and Charlie Kirk can actually bridge America's political divide, or if that's just good PR.

The real test will be whether Newsom can turn his podcast conversations and long-form interviews into actual policy solutions that resonate with voters outside of California. Charisma is great, vulnerability is appealing, but ultimately people want leaders who can improve their lives. Can Newsom make that case? We'll find out.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:22 Community Building and Sponsorship

01:21 Diving into Gavin Newsom

02:54 High School Memories and Personal Anecdotes

04:37 Gavin Newsom's Political Journey

08:14 Reflections on Newsom's Public Image

16:34 Newsom's COVID Controversy

19:38 Challenges and Criticisms of Newsom's Governance

21:37 Homelessness and Housing Policies

22:15 Election Integrity Concerns

22:46 Gavin Newsom's Public Perception

24:33 Podcast Discussions and Public Reactions

26:55 Transgender Athletes in Sports

27:28 Gavin Newsom's Political Journey

33:38 Personal Reflections and Vulnerability

35:41 Social Media and Political Image

39:17 Would You Rather

42:32 Concluding Thoughts and Future Speculations


RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Gavin Newsom Content: Gavin Newsom TikTok (Specific Video): https://www.tiktok.com/@gavinnewsom/video/7557082684074315039 Gavin Newsom TikTok Profile: https://www.tiktok.com/@gavinnewsom?lang=en

Interview and Media Appearances: Steven Colbert Interview 1: https://youtu.be/xixWODj3-UE?si=xDpHZO2S1X0HVh-F Steven Colbert Interview 2: https://youtu.be/OC71635to-I?si=mZN9Penj0BujZpbr Additional Video: https://youtu.be/1NLoTuRR3hE?si=pgTP37jZJkgkNTOG

Gaming/Streaming Content: Connor Eats Pants (Twitch): https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2582490833?_bhlid=b8eb6d1a74c7924b7a3be6e3447580fa7b99716b

Good for the Soul: 

https://youtu.be/yEX1xJcvRqI?si=ks7RBEUDEYt16AZa


LINKS

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

On Spotify:  https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/, 

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 


]]>California Governor Gavin Newsom is everywhere right now - doing podcasts, engaging with conservative voices, and very obviously positioning himself for a 2028 presidential run. He's got the hair, the charisma, and the baggage that comes with governing California. Today we're talking about whether Newsom could actually win a national election, and whether the kid I (Nicole) knew from afar in high school, wearing blazers and slicked-back hair, could actually become president.

I (Nicole) went to high school with Gavin Newsom. Even back then, he had this air of sophistication that set him apart. While the rest of us were in jeans and t-shirts, Gavin showed up in blazers looking like he was already running for something. It's surreal to think that the same person I knew as a teenager might shape America's political future. But what's actually beneath that perfectly coiffed exterior?

Jolene's been watching Newsom with curiosity. As a conservative, she sees him as the political shapeshifter of our time. Someone with Bill Clinton-level charisma who can connect across party lines, but who also carries the weight of California's very visible problems. Homelessness, crime, cost of living, people fleeing the state - these aren't just Republican talking points; they're real issues that Newsom would have to answer for on a national stage.

What's interesting to both of us is how Newsom forces a conversation about what we actually want in leaders. Do we want perfectly polished politicians who never make mistakes, or do we want flawed humans who own their failures and try to do better? Do we want leaders who only talk to people who agree with them, or do we want someone willing to engage across ideological lines?

Jolene's watching to see if Newsom can address California's problems convincingly. I'm watching to see if his authenticity and communication skills can translate to a national campaign. We're both curious about whether someone who's willing to talk to Steve Bannon and Charlie Kirk can actually bridge America's political divide, or if that's just good PR.

The real test will be whether Newsom can turn his podcast conversations and long-form interviews into actual policy solutions that resonate with voters outside of California. Charisma is great, vulnerability is appealing, but ultimately people want leaders who can improve their lives. Can Newsom make that case? We'll find out.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:22 Community Building and Sponsorship

01:21 Diving into Gavin Newsom

02:54 High School Memories and Personal Anecdotes

04:37 Gavin Newsom's Political Journey

08:14 Reflections on Newsom's Public Image

16:34 Newsom's COVID Controversy

19:38 Challenges and Criticisms of Newsom's Governance

21:37 Homelessness and Housing Policies

22:15 Election Integrity Concerns

22:46 Gavin Newsom's Public Perception

24:33 Podcast Discussions and Public Reactions

26:55 Transgender Athletes in Sports

27:28 Gavin Newsom's Political Journey

33:38 Personal Reflections and Vulnerability

35:41 Social Media and Political Image

39:17 Would You Rather

42:32 Concluding Thoughts and Future Speculations


RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Gavin Newsom Content: Gavin Newsom TikTok (Specific Video): https://www.tiktok.com/@gavinnewsom/video/7557082684074315039 Gavin Newsom TikTok Profile: https://www.tiktok.com/@gavinnewsom?lang=en

Interview and Media Appearances: Steven Colbert Interview 1: https://youtu.be/xixWODj3-UE?si=xDpHZO2S1X0HVh-F Steven Colbert Interview 2: https://youtu.be/OC71635to-I?si=mZN9Penj0BujZpbr Additional Video: https://youtu.be/1NLoTuRR3hE?si=pgTP37jZJkgkNTOG

Gaming/Streaming Content: Connor Eats Pants (Twitch): https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2582490833?_bhlid=b8eb6d1a74c7924b7a3be6e3447580fa7b99716b

Good for the Soul: 

https://youtu.be/yEX1xJcvRqI?si=ks7RBEUDEYt16AZa


LINKS

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

On Spotify:  https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/, 

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 


]]>4d85edd5-2cb7-42b8-94b9-954cbf7b761aWed, 05 Nov 2025 03:00:00 -040044:04truefull3939Trump's White House Ballroom: Why Everyone's Fighting Over a Building ProjectTrump's White House Ballroom: Why Everyone's Fighting Over a Building ProjectPresident Trump is building a new ballroom at the White House, and predictably, everyone has lost their minds. Some people see it as a practical addition for official events. Others see it as an extravagant monument to Trump's ego being permanently installed in the people's house. Today, we're talking about why a ballroom has become yet another flashpoint in American politics, and whether maybe we're all just exhausted and looking for things to be angry about.

I (Jolene) get why people are upset about this, but honestly, the ballroom doesn't bother me. Here's why: it's being funded by private donations, not taxpayer money. Every president leaves their mark on the White House - renovations, updates, changes that reflect their time in office. Trump sees this ballroom as his legacy project, and since he's not using public funds, I don't see the problem. Having a dedicated space for official events instead of constantly setting up temporary solutions is actually practical.

Nicole's reaction wasn’t too dissimilar as far as understanding the need for a larger space for events, but from a Liberal’s perspective, the ballroom feels like Trump literally building a monument to himself in the White House. It's not just about the money; it's about what it represents. At a time when Americans are struggling financially, when budgets are tight and people are worried about making ends meet, building an opulent ballroom feels tone-deaf and dismissive. 

The ballroom will get built and Trump will leave office eventually. But the way we treat each other, the way we engage with people who disagree with us, the way we choose dialogue over dismissal - that's what will determine whether we can actually function as a country.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

White House Information: White House Official History: https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/the-white-house/

News and Analysis: Jessica Yellin (Instagram): https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQK8_hUEluJ/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link The Hill - 5 

Takeaways from East Wing Construction: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5570860-trump-white-house-ballroom-east-wing-takeaways/ 

The Hill - White House Releases Donor List: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5569197-major-companies-fund-whitehouse/

Good for the Soul: 

Monica Lewinsky's Reclaiming Podcast: https://wondery.com/shows/reclaiming-with-monica-lewinsky/ 

Ken Colman (Instagram): https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOOLHvZhzxX/?igsh=MXBiaHA1ZGpjM3MzaA==

LINKS

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>President Trump is building a new ballroom at the White House, and predictably, everyone has lost their minds. Some people see it as a practical addition for official events. Others see it as an extravagant monument to Trump's ego being permanently installed in the people's house. Today, we're talking about why a ballroom has become yet another flashpoint in American politics, and whether maybe we're all just exhausted and looking for things to be angry about.

I (Jolene) get why people are upset about this, but honestly, the ballroom doesn't bother me. Here's why: it's being funded by private donations, not taxpayer money. Every president leaves their mark on the White House - renovations, updates, changes that reflect their time in office. Trump sees this ballroom as his legacy project, and since he's not using public funds, I don't see the problem. Having a dedicated space for official events instead of constantly setting up temporary solutions is actually practical.

Nicole's reaction wasn’t too dissimilar as far as understanding the need for a larger space for events, but from a Liberal’s perspective, the ballroom feels like Trump literally building a monument to himself in the White House. It's not just about the money; it's about what it represents. At a time when Americans are struggling financially, when budgets are tight and people are worried about making ends meet, building an opulent ballroom feels tone-deaf and dismissive. 

The ballroom will get built and Trump will leave office eventually. But the way we treat each other, the way we engage with people who disagree with us, the way we choose dialogue over dismissal - that's what will determine whether we can actually function as a country.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

White House Information: White House Official History: https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/the-white-house/

News and Analysis: Jessica Yellin (Instagram): https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQK8_hUEluJ/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link The Hill - 5 

Takeaways from East Wing Construction: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5570860-trump-white-house-ballroom-east-wing-takeaways/ 

The Hill - White House Releases Donor List: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5569197-major-companies-fund-whitehouse/

Good for the Soul: 

Monica Lewinsky's Reclaiming Podcast: https://wondery.com/shows/reclaiming-with-monica-lewinsky/ 

Ken Colman (Instagram): https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOOLHvZhzxX/?igsh=MXBiaHA1ZGpjM3MzaA==

LINKS

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>df4ed534-5517-4529-be83-94ea19f66e83Wed, 29 Oct 2025 03:00:00 -040054:14truefull3838Trump Gets Hostages Home: The Middle East Peace Deal We Weren't ExpectingTrump Gets Hostages Home: The Middle East Peace Deal We Weren't ExpectingPresident Trump did something remarkable in the Middle East. I (Nicole) can barely believe I'm typing this, but credit where it's due - he got hostages home and negotiated a ceasefire in a conflict that's been bleeding for decades. Whether you love Trump or hate him, what happened this week deserves acknowledgment. And that's exactly what we're talking about today.

We're not declaring Trump a hero or pretending this solves the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. We're also not ignoring what he accomplished because we disagree with his politics. We're doing what we should all do more often: recognizing when someone does something significant, even if we didn't think they could.

Every step toward peace matters, even if it's small, even if it's imperfect, even if it comes from someone you didn't expect. The hostages are home. People who were separated from their families are together again. That's real. That's worth celebrating. And that's also just the beginning of a much longer, messier process that will require sustained effort from everyone involved.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

BBC News Article: 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgr71z0jp4o 


Good for ths Soul: 

https://youtu.be/RP8Oxe6OxJc?si=sP7k_V4g9R-CYCLs 


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>President Trump did something remarkable in the Middle East. I (Nicole) can barely believe I'm typing this, but credit where it's due - he got hostages home and negotiated a ceasefire in a conflict that's been bleeding for decades. Whether you love Trump or hate him, what happened this week deserves acknowledgment. And that's exactly what we're talking about today.

We're not declaring Trump a hero or pretending this solves the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. We're also not ignoring what he accomplished because we disagree with his politics. We're doing what we should all do more often: recognizing when someone does something significant, even if we didn't think they could.

Every step toward peace matters, even if it's small, even if it's imperfect, even if it comes from someone you didn't expect. The hostages are home. People who were separated from their families are together again. That's real. That's worth celebrating. And that's also just the beginning of a much longer, messier process that will require sustained effort from everyone involved.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

BBC News Article: 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgr71z0jp4o 


Good for ths Soul: 

https://youtu.be/RP8Oxe6OxJc?si=sP7k_V4g9R-CYCLs 


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>599bedbf-2254-4b20-8f9b-e9a85065471aWed, 22 Oct 2025 03:00:00 -040051:59truefull3737Government Shutdown 2025: Congress Gets Paid While Federal Workers StarveGovernment Shutdown 2025: Congress Gets Paid While Federal Workers StarveWe recorded this episode seven days into the government shutdown, and honestly, we were both furious. Not the performative outrage you see on cable news, though. Actual, bone-deep frustration at watching our government play chicken with people's livelihoods while collecting their own paychecks without interruption. TSA workers are showing up to keep us safe without knowing when they'll get paid. FAA controllers are managing air traffic on empty stomachs and maxed-out credit cards. And Congress? They're posting memes.

The government shutdown isn't just about budget negotiations or policy disagreements. It's a symptom of a political system that's fundamentally broken, where the people making decisions face none of the consequences while the people suffering the consequences have no power to make decisions. 

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

News and Media: Straight Arrow News: https://san.com/ Straight Arrow News Podcast: UCuL3xV8AqD3sekKOhhyZqOA

Government Resources: HUD Website: https://www.hud.gov/#close US Senate Phone List: https://www.senate.gov/general/resources/pdf/senators_phone_list.pdf Contacting Congress: https://www.coausphs.org/COA/COA/Advocacy/Contact-Congress.aspx

Good for the Soul: Honestly with Bari Weiss: https://youtu.be/sqZ7E_Mx-K4?si=H-VNxG2twZPVnNB1

Film Reference: The Post (Movie): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6294822/


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>We recorded this episode seven days into the government shutdown, and honestly, we were both furious. Not the performative outrage you see on cable news, though. Actual, bone-deep frustration at watching our government play chicken with people's livelihoods while collecting their own paychecks without interruption. TSA workers are showing up to keep us safe without knowing when they'll get paid. FAA controllers are managing air traffic on empty stomachs and maxed-out credit cards. And Congress? They're posting memes.

The government shutdown isn't just about budget negotiations or policy disagreements. It's a symptom of a political system that's fundamentally broken, where the people making decisions face none of the consequences while the people suffering the consequences have no power to make decisions. 

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

News and Media: Straight Arrow News: https://san.com/ Straight Arrow News Podcast: UCuL3xV8AqD3sekKOhhyZqOA

Government Resources: HUD Website: https://www.hud.gov/#close US Senate Phone List: https://www.senate.gov/general/resources/pdf/senators_phone_list.pdf Contacting Congress: https://www.coausphs.org/COA/COA/Advocacy/Contact-Congress.aspx

Good for the Soul: Honestly with Bari Weiss: https://youtu.be/sqZ7E_Mx-K4?si=H-VNxG2twZPVnNB1

Film Reference: The Post (Movie): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6294822/


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>6cb77430-243d-4535-b676-b4c832c7a231Sun, 12 Oct 2025 03:00:00 -040043:32truefull3636What IS the role of Government in America? Our personal takesWhat IS the role of Government in America? Our personal takesWhen was the last time you had a real conversation about what government is actually supposed to do? Not a screaming match about specific policies, but a genuine discussion about the fundamental role of government in America? I (Nicole) and Jolene have been friends for almost 40 years despite living on opposite sides of the political spectrum, and recently we realized we'd never actually tackled this most basic question: What should our government be doing, and how much should it be involved in our daily lives?

The answer, it turns out, is a lot more complicated than either of us expected. And surprisingly, we found more common ground than we thought possible.

The role of government in America has been debated since the country's founding, and it will continue being debated long after we're gone. The tension between federal power and states' rights, between individual liberty and collective responsibility, between free markets and social safety nets - these tensions are what keep our democracy dynamic and responsive.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Founding Documents: The U.S. Constitution: https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/drafting-table/item/drafting-the-united-states-constitution

The Declaration of Independence: https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript

Political Reference: Mamdani Reference: https://x.com/jimfornyc/status/1972443061021233220?s=46

Good for the Soul Content: Bill Maher: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPFyqBOjhij/?igsh=Z2k4MG96aW1pMm96

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>When was the last time you had a real conversation about what government is actually supposed to do? Not a screaming match about specific policies, but a genuine discussion about the fundamental role of government in America? I (Nicole) and Jolene have been friends for almost 40 years despite living on opposite sides of the political spectrum, and recently we realized we'd never actually tackled this most basic question: What should our government be doing, and how much should it be involved in our daily lives?

The answer, it turns out, is a lot more complicated than either of us expected. And surprisingly, we found more common ground than we thought possible.

The role of government in America has been debated since the country's founding, and it will continue being debated long after we're gone. The tension between federal power and states' rights, between individual liberty and collective responsibility, between free markets and social safety nets - these tensions are what keep our democracy dynamic and responsive.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Founding Documents: The U.S. Constitution: https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/drafting-table/item/drafting-the-united-states-constitution

The Declaration of Independence: https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript

Political Reference: Mamdani Reference: https://x.com/jimfornyc/status/1972443061021233220?s=46

Good for the Soul Content: Bill Maher: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPFyqBOjhij/?igsh=Z2k4MG96aW1pMm96

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>51df42d4-bf6f-4ab1-a4c6-d111194f6c4aWed, 08 Oct 2025 03:00:00 -040001:03:34truefull3737Jimmy Kimmel Censored: Is Free Speech Dead in America?Jimmy Kimmel Censored: Is Free Speech Dead in America?Jimmy Kimmel got pulled off ABC after making comments about Charlie Kirk's assassination, and honestly, it's left us both feeling unsettled about where America is heading. Whether you thought his jokes were inappropriate or not, the speed at which he disappeared from television should concern everyone. 

Today we're talking about what this means for free speech, why comedy matters in a democracy, and whether we're crossing lines we can't uncross.

The Kimmel situation isn't really about one comedian or one set of jokes. It's about whether we still believe in the principles that made America different from everywhere else. It's about whether we trust citizens to make their own decisions about what to watch and hear, or whether we think government officials should make those decisions for us.

We don't have to agree with everything comedians say to defend their right to say it. We don't have to find their jokes funny to recognize that their freedom to make those jokes is essential to our democracy. And we don't have to like their politics to understand that silencing them makes all of us less free.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Primary Content: Jimmy Kimmel Full Monologue: https://youtu.be/c1tjh_ZO_tY?si=PE5hOO6xlCo-IuBO

News and Analysis: 

The Guardian - Pentagon Journalist Restrictions: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/20/pentagon-journalists-restrictions-pledge?CMP=share_btn_url

Ted Cruz The Verdict: https://youtu.be/l6KYixCBTJc?si=YUdU5Lp0R2QqwTLt

FOX News 9 Minneapolis/St Paul - Amy Hockert: https://youtu.be/8-koyY2Zoxc?si=i5vhmKdE4ui0f931

Podcast Content: 

The Katie Miller Podcast with Pam Bondi: https://youtu.be/4LRPHxSrLTE?si=4rb_p3k1YzU9z7bf

Articles and Opinion: 

Builders Movement - Free Speech Double Standard: https://buildersmovement.org/2025/09/24/free-speech-double-standard/

The Progress Network: https://theprogressnetwork.org/electrotech-child-poverty-mobile-money/

Good For The Soul:

Good for the Soul - AOC and Chip Roy Restore Trust In Congress Act: https://youtu.be/ag2N9QpioWg?si=NpQQA7ZSBavtHlyT

Rep Chip Roy on Congressional Stock Trading Ban and US Gov't stake in Intel: https://youtu.be/tHrSNy7YklI?si=h4kLr0EWkoUkuiBw


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>Jimmy Kimmel got pulled off ABC after making comments about Charlie Kirk's assassination, and honestly, it's left us both feeling unsettled about where America is heading. Whether you thought his jokes were inappropriate or not, the speed at which he disappeared from television should concern everyone. 

Today we're talking about what this means for free speech, why comedy matters in a democracy, and whether we're crossing lines we can't uncross.

The Kimmel situation isn't really about one comedian or one set of jokes. It's about whether we still believe in the principles that made America different from everywhere else. It's about whether we trust citizens to make their own decisions about what to watch and hear, or whether we think government officials should make those decisions for us.

We don't have to agree with everything comedians say to defend their right to say it. We don't have to find their jokes funny to recognize that their freedom to make those jokes is essential to our democracy. And we don't have to like their politics to understand that silencing them makes all of us less free.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Primary Content: Jimmy Kimmel Full Monologue: https://youtu.be/c1tjh_ZO_tY?si=PE5hOO6xlCo-IuBO

News and Analysis: 

The Guardian - Pentagon Journalist Restrictions: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/20/pentagon-journalists-restrictions-pledge?CMP=share_btn_url

Ted Cruz The Verdict: https://youtu.be/l6KYixCBTJc?si=YUdU5Lp0R2QqwTLt

FOX News 9 Minneapolis/St Paul - Amy Hockert: https://youtu.be/8-koyY2Zoxc?si=i5vhmKdE4ui0f931

Podcast Content: 

The Katie Miller Podcast with Pam Bondi: https://youtu.be/4LRPHxSrLTE?si=4rb_p3k1YzU9z7bf

Articles and Opinion: 

Builders Movement - Free Speech Double Standard: https://buildersmovement.org/2025/09/24/free-speech-double-standard/

The Progress Network: https://theprogressnetwork.org/electrotech-child-poverty-mobile-money/

Good For The Soul:

Good for the Soul - AOC and Chip Roy Restore Trust In Congress Act: https://youtu.be/ag2N9QpioWg?si=NpQQA7ZSBavtHlyT

Rep Chip Roy on Congressional Stock Trading Ban and US Gov't stake in Intel: https://youtu.be/tHrSNy7YklI?si=h4kLr0EWkoUkuiBw


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>bcc05d63-2a86-406b-93f1-ffee247887c7Wed, 01 Oct 2025 03:00:00 -040057:28truefull3434Gun Control: When Both Sides Are Right (And Wrong)Gun Control: When Both Sides Are Right (And Wrong)Gun control debates usually end with people screaming past each other about the Second Amendment and dead children. But what happens when you actually sit down and try to understand why people feel so strongly on both sides? Today we're tackling America's most polarizing issue, and honestly, neither of us walked away feeling like we had all the answers. Maybe that's the point.

The conversation about guns in America isn't going to end anytime soon. But maybe it could get more productive if we stopped assuming the worst about people who disagree with us and started looking for solutions that address everyone's legitimate concerns.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Gun Control Organizations: Brady United: https://www.bradyunited.org/ Giffords: https://giffords.org/ Everytown for Gun Safety: https://www.everytown.org/

Data and News Sources: USA Facts: https://usafacts.org/ Fox News: https://www.foxnews.com/ Time Magazine Gun Control History: https://newsfeed.time.com/2013/01/16/a-history-of-violence-gun-control-in-the-pages-of-time/slide/july-1989-death-by-gun/

Video and Podcast Content: YouTube Video: https://youtu.be/DeRSMgFCmUE?si=kkB7nG6FXFozCbHl The Daily Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-daily/id1200361736?i=1000722487869

Products and Services: Byrna (Non-lethal Defense): https://byrna.com/?pb=0&srsltid=AfmBOorHhS0lPW63kYakRXDPm5uEmUPy_MgnJPHDpJyYp7D-baQ6UkUe

Social Media/Commentary: Diaper Diplomacy: https://www.instagram.com/diaperdiplomacy/?hl=en America the Possible: https://www.instagram.com/americathepossible/?hl=en

Historical Reference: Chicago History Museum - Tylenol Murders: https://www.chicagohistory.org/tylenol-murders/


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>Gun control debates usually end with people screaming past each other about the Second Amendment and dead children. But what happens when you actually sit down and try to understand why people feel so strongly on both sides? Today we're tackling America's most polarizing issue, and honestly, neither of us walked away feeling like we had all the answers. Maybe that's the point.

The conversation about guns in America isn't going to end anytime soon. But maybe it could get more productive if we stopped assuming the worst about people who disagree with us and started looking for solutions that address everyone's legitimate concerns.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Gun Control Organizations: Brady United: https://www.bradyunited.org/ Giffords: https://giffords.org/ Everytown for Gun Safety: https://www.everytown.org/

Data and News Sources: USA Facts: https://usafacts.org/ Fox News: https://www.foxnews.com/ Time Magazine Gun Control History: https://newsfeed.time.com/2013/01/16/a-history-of-violence-gun-control-in-the-pages-of-time/slide/july-1989-death-by-gun/

Video and Podcast Content: YouTube Video: https://youtu.be/DeRSMgFCmUE?si=kkB7nG6FXFozCbHl The Daily Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-daily/id1200361736?i=1000722487869

Products and Services: Byrna (Non-lethal Defense): https://byrna.com/?pb=0&srsltid=AfmBOorHhS0lPW63kYakRXDPm5uEmUPy_MgnJPHDpJyYp7D-baQ6UkUe

Social Media/Commentary: Diaper Diplomacy: https://www.instagram.com/diaperdiplomacy/?hl=en America the Possible: https://www.instagram.com/americathepossible/?hl=en

Historical Reference: Chicago History Museum - Tylenol Murders: https://www.chicagohistory.org/tylenol-murders/


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>ff748e76-681a-40cf-a11e-96da9e7d14acWed, 24 Sep 2025 03:00:00 -040001:06:30truefull3333The Aftermath of the Assassination of Charlie KirkThe Aftermath of the Assassination of Charlie KirkWhen Charlie Kirk was assassinated in Utah, the immediate response from both political parties revealed something deeply broken about American discourse. Instead of mourning a human life, social media exploded with celebrations, blame, and calls for revenge.

We’re processing this tragedy as friends from opposite sides of the political spectrum, sharing their heartbreak over how quickly Americans turned a murder into political ammunition. This episode examines the cruel responses that followed, the systemic issues creating isolated and radicalized young people, and why political violence should terrify everyone regardless of party affiliation.

A deeply personal conversation about what we've lost as a country and what we need to find our way back to each other before it's too late.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Polls and Data: YouGov Poll on Political Violence: https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/52960-charlie-kirk-americans-political-violence-poll

Political Responses: Governor Spencer Cox: https://youtu.be/PVYqYCHDqHA?si=74Eo3-Uh1uyu9ySy

Senator Bernie Sanders Statement: https://youtu.be/EUPgz8Q05o4?si=9IUVwsRoMAzo-WK5

Media Coverage: The Free Press: https://www.youtube.com/live/Nzachq_DqmQ?si=lDbYBpNkH1TXTF5K

Tangle Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tangle/id1538788132?i=1000726756203

Social Media/Commentary: James Talarico: https://www.instagram.com/jamestalarico/?hl=en

Dan Lanning: https://x.com/albertbreer/status/1967214250449047912?s=42

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>When Charlie Kirk was assassinated in Utah, the immediate response from both political parties revealed something deeply broken about American discourse. Instead of mourning a human life, social media exploded with celebrations, blame, and calls for revenge.

We’re processing this tragedy as friends from opposite sides of the political spectrum, sharing their heartbreak over how quickly Americans turned a murder into political ammunition. This episode examines the cruel responses that followed, the systemic issues creating isolated and radicalized young people, and why political violence should terrify everyone regardless of party affiliation.

A deeply personal conversation about what we've lost as a country and what we need to find our way back to each other before it's too late.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Polls and Data: YouGov Poll on Political Violence: https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/52960-charlie-kirk-americans-political-violence-poll

Political Responses: Governor Spencer Cox: https://youtu.be/PVYqYCHDqHA?si=74Eo3-Uh1uyu9ySy

Senator Bernie Sanders Statement: https://youtu.be/EUPgz8Q05o4?si=9IUVwsRoMAzo-WK5

Media Coverage: The Free Press: https://www.youtube.com/live/Nzachq_DqmQ?si=lDbYBpNkH1TXTF5K

Tangle Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tangle/id1538788132?i=1000726756203

Social Media/Commentary: James Talarico: https://www.instagram.com/jamestalarico/?hl=en

Dan Lanning: https://x.com/albertbreer/status/1967214250449047912?s=42

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>148379ff-80ae-4123-8235-60f4c5ab06adWed, 17 Sep 2025 03:00:00 -040051:39truefull3232Why Americans are So Mean to Each OtherWhy Americans are So Mean to Each OtherEveryone's noticed it, but nobody wants to say it out loud: Americans have gotten meaner. Or at least, that’s what David Brooks believes. Today we're discussing an article that David wrote for The Atlantic, “How America Got Mean”. His explanation for our national cruelty crisis left Nicole feeling defeated, and Jolene a little more optimistic.

Regardless of whether the article was perhaps a little over dramatic, both Nicole and Jolene agreed there is something very wrong with the way Americans are treating each other. And it seems to have gotten worse over the last 20 years. 

So how did we get here?

In this episode, we take a look at what we’re doing wrong and what might help us get back to a kinder America.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

How America Got Mean

Ground News

The Progress Network

We Haven’t Given Up On Gen Z

The Music Bar


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>Everyone's noticed it, but nobody wants to say it out loud: Americans have gotten meaner. Or at least, that’s what David Brooks believes. Today we're discussing an article that David wrote for The Atlantic, “How America Got Mean”. His explanation for our national cruelty crisis left Nicole feeling defeated, and Jolene a little more optimistic.

Regardless of whether the article was perhaps a little over dramatic, both Nicole and Jolene agreed there is something very wrong with the way Americans are treating each other. And it seems to have gotten worse over the last 20 years. 

So how did we get here?

In this episode, we take a look at what we’re doing wrong and what might help us get back to a kinder America.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

How America Got Mean

Ground News

The Progress Network

We Haven’t Given Up On Gen Z

The Music Bar


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>cc991c48-c056-4e53-9062-49c31c8c932fWed, 10 Sep 2025 03:00:00 -040046:12truefull3131Trump, Putin, and Zelensky Meetings: What Really Happened Behind Closed Doors?Trump, Putin, and Zelensky Meetings: What Really Happened Behind Closed Doors?When Trump and Putin meet in Alaska, followed by Zelensky and European leaders rushing to D.C. to meet Trump 3 days later, you know something big is happening. But what exactly? The headlines give us locations and handshakes, but the real story is what we're not being told. Today we're diving into the kitchen-table conversations everyone's having but nobody wants to say out loud: What's really going on with this war, and who's actually calling the shots?

I (Jolene) watched this Alaska meeting unfold with fascination. Here's Trump getting two of the world's most complicated leaders to sit down on American soil. That's not accidental. As a conservative, I'm curious about the power dynamics at play and what this could mean for America's position globally.

Nicole's reaction was pure skepticism. She's wondering if this was all performative theater, especially given how the media has painted Putin as the ultimate villain and a war criminal, and we both agree he’s bad news. 

But here's what we both agreed on: these aren't casual coffee meetings. When world leaders drop everything to fly to remote locations, something significant is happening.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Straight Arrow News 

https://san.com/


]]>When Trump and Putin meet in Alaska, followed by Zelensky and European leaders rushing to D.C. to meet Trump 3 days later, you know something big is happening. But what exactly? The headlines give us locations and handshakes, but the real story is what we're not being told. Today we're diving into the kitchen-table conversations everyone's having but nobody wants to say out loud: What's really going on with this war, and who's actually calling the shots?

I (Jolene) watched this Alaska meeting unfold with fascination. Here's Trump getting two of the world's most complicated leaders to sit down on American soil. That's not accidental. As a conservative, I'm curious about the power dynamics at play and what this could mean for America's position globally.

Nicole's reaction was pure skepticism. She's wondering if this was all performative theater, especially given how the media has painted Putin as the ultimate villain and a war criminal, and we both agree he’s bad news. 

But here's what we both agreed on: these aren't casual coffee meetings. When world leaders drop everything to fly to remote locations, something significant is happening.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Straight Arrow News 

https://san.com/


]]>80ed6b92-417f-4d9b-92d9-2356ad7eb78aWed, 03 Sep 2025 03:00:00 -040053:44truefull3030What It's Really Like Being a Woman in 2025What It's Really Like Being a Woman in 2025What does it mean to be a woman in 2025? 

We talked to women across generations - from 20-somethings navigating career ambitions to 80-year-olds who've watched the Republican party evolve around them. The answers surprised us. Despite decades of progress, some battles feel eerily familiar. We were given the task of interviewing some of the women in our social circles, to get their take on what it means to be a woman, and how they feel things have changed over time.

I (Nicole) interviewed friends who've climbed corporate ladders while dealing with dress codes that still treat women like decoration rather than decision-makers. 

Jolene's conversations revealed a different tension: maintaining Christian and Republican values while navigating modern feminism. The assumption that Republican women can't be feminists sparked passionate responses from her circle. Turns out, political identity and gender advocacy don't fit into neat boxes.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Socialist Video: https://youtu.be/QkO63lMyAhE?si=_bvsA8TtVo06LV39 


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 


]]>What does it mean to be a woman in 2025? 

We talked to women across generations - from 20-somethings navigating career ambitions to 80-year-olds who've watched the Republican party evolve around them. The answers surprised us. Despite decades of progress, some battles feel eerily familiar. We were given the task of interviewing some of the women in our social circles, to get their take on what it means to be a woman, and how they feel things have changed over time.

I (Nicole) interviewed friends who've climbed corporate ladders while dealing with dress codes that still treat women like decoration rather than decision-makers. 

Jolene's conversations revealed a different tension: maintaining Christian and Republican values while navigating modern feminism. The assumption that Republican women can't be feminists sparked passionate responses from her circle. Turns out, political identity and gender advocacy don't fit into neat boxes.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Socialist Video: https://youtu.be/QkO63lMyAhE?si=_bvsA8TtVo06LV39 


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 


]]>6b1237b9-e953-43af-9f44-9463b4d7a0d7Wed, 27 Aug 2025 03:00:00 -040053:07truefull2929Making Friends as Adults - special episode live from the OzarksMaking Friends as Adults - special episode live from the OzarksMaking friends as an adult is hard. While teenagers effortlessly form bonds over shared cafeteria tables, adults need to be more intentional about creating and maintaining connections. Recently, I (Nicole) and my husband Josh traveled to visit Jolene and her husband Jeff in the Ozarks for our very first in-person podcast recording. This was a rare treat that got us thinking about how friendship actually works and why it's worth the extra effort it takes as adults.

Recording by the lake in the Ozarks with Jolene, our husbands Jeff and Josh joining us for parts of the conversation, I realized something beautiful: this friendship has thrived because we've never tried to force it into a perfect box. We've let it be real, sometimes inconsistent, and always genuine. We've accepted that life gets busy, and that's part of the journey.

The friendships that last aren't the ones that never face challenges - they're the ones where both people decide the connection is worth navigating those challenges together. Not because it's always easy, but because the reward of deep, authentic friendship makes the effort worthwhile.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

https://hudsonandcharles.com/

https://www.harterhouse.com/index.php

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 

]]>Making friends as an adult is hard. While teenagers effortlessly form bonds over shared cafeteria tables, adults need to be more intentional about creating and maintaining connections. Recently, I (Nicole) and my husband Josh traveled to visit Jolene and her husband Jeff in the Ozarks for our very first in-person podcast recording. This was a rare treat that got us thinking about how friendship actually works and why it's worth the extra effort it takes as adults.

Recording by the lake in the Ozarks with Jolene, our husbands Jeff and Josh joining us for parts of the conversation, I realized something beautiful: this friendship has thrived because we've never tried to force it into a perfect box. We've let it be real, sometimes inconsistent, and always genuine. We've accepted that life gets busy, and that's part of the journey.

The friendships that last aren't the ones that never face challenges - they're the ones where both people decide the connection is worth navigating those challenges together. Not because it's always easy, but because the reward of deep, authentic friendship makes the effort worthwhile.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

https://hudsonandcharles.com/

https://www.harterhouse.com/index.php

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 

]]>d1312125-375b-4835-822c-176552d284e8Wed, 20 Aug 2025 03:00:00 -040035:09truefull2828Climate Change: When Liberals and Conservatives Actually AgreeClimate Change: When Liberals and Conservatives Actually AgreeClimate change discussions usually end in shouting matches about melting glaciers and coal jobs. But what happens when a liberal and a conservative actually sit down to talk through the science, the solutions, and the politics without trying to win? Today we're tackling the topic that's supposedly dividing America, and discovering we might have more common ground than cable news wants you to believe.

Climate change doesn't care about your political party. Neither do rising energy costs, extreme weather events or global economic competition in clean technology sectors.

Maybe we need to stop treating climate policy like a zero-sum game between environmentalists and economists. The countries that figure out clean, affordable, reliable energy will have massive advantages in the coming decades. That could be us, if we can get past the political theater.

We don't have to agree on every detail of climate science to agree that America should lead in energy innovation. We don't have to choose between environmental protection and economic growth if we're smart about how we pursue both.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Climate Feedback: https://climatefeedback.org/evaluation/wall-street-journal-article-repeats-multiple-incorrect-and-misleading-claims-made-in-steven-koonins-new-book-unsettled-steven-koonin/

Scientific American: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/that-obama-scientist-climate-skeptic-youve-been-hearing-about/

Landman scene: https://youtu.be/fmbZwxEnAFc?si=ULiyV_j9JaPVWLW1

The Climate Deniers Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-climate-deniers-playbook/id1694759084?i=1000706646820

Conservative on Climate Change: https://citizensclimatelobby.org/

Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobeccles/2023/12/31/what-ive-learned-from-conservatives-who-are-addressing-the-challenge-of-climate-change/

NOAA Report March 2025: https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/monthly-report/global/202503

Solar South Article: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pmbnpqZK2ucmgqg1vwvnCFC3r8k_dRuXMTCUZuGcHik/edit?pli=1&gid=1975818729#gid=1975818729

Trump post: https://nypost.com/2025/06/01/us-news/trump-shares-wild-conspiracy-theory-that-joe-biden-was-replaced-by-soulless-mindless-clones/

Drama Club NYC: https://www.dramaclub.org/

Water: https://water.org/



LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 

]]>Climate change discussions usually end in shouting matches about melting glaciers and coal jobs. But what happens when a liberal and a conservative actually sit down to talk through the science, the solutions, and the politics without trying to win? Today we're tackling the topic that's supposedly dividing America, and discovering we might have more common ground than cable news wants you to believe.

Climate change doesn't care about your political party. Neither do rising energy costs, extreme weather events or global economic competition in clean technology sectors.

Maybe we need to stop treating climate policy like a zero-sum game between environmentalists and economists. The countries that figure out clean, affordable, reliable energy will have massive advantages in the coming decades. That could be us, if we can get past the political theater.

We don't have to agree on every detail of climate science to agree that America should lead in energy innovation. We don't have to choose between environmental protection and economic growth if we're smart about how we pursue both.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Climate Feedback: https://climatefeedback.org/evaluation/wall-street-journal-article-repeats-multiple-incorrect-and-misleading-claims-made-in-steven-koonins-new-book-unsettled-steven-koonin/

Scientific American: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/that-obama-scientist-climate-skeptic-youve-been-hearing-about/

Landman scene: https://youtu.be/fmbZwxEnAFc?si=ULiyV_j9JaPVWLW1

The Climate Deniers Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-climate-deniers-playbook/id1694759084?i=1000706646820

Conservative on Climate Change: https://citizensclimatelobby.org/

Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobeccles/2023/12/31/what-ive-learned-from-conservatives-who-are-addressing-the-challenge-of-climate-change/

NOAA Report March 2025: https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/monthly-report/global/202503

Solar South Article: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pmbnpqZK2ucmgqg1vwvnCFC3r8k_dRuXMTCUZuGcHik/edit?pli=1&gid=1975818729#gid=1975818729

Trump post: https://nypost.com/2025/06/01/us-news/trump-shares-wild-conspiracy-theory-that-joe-biden-was-replaced-by-soulless-mindless-clones/

Drama Club NYC: https://www.dramaclub.org/

Water: https://water.org/



LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 

]]>c39735fb-55f0-4ce5-9607-441dfc6610bbWed, 13 Aug 2025 03:00:00 -040048:10truefull2727We Swapped News Sources for 10 Days - Liberal vs Conservative MediaWe Swapped News Sources for 10 Days - Liberal vs Conservative MediaWhat happens when a liberal starts watching Fox News and a conservative dives into The New York Times? We decided to find out. For 10 days, we deliberately consumed each other's preferred media sources to see if we'd been living in completely different realities. 

I (Nicole) typically get my news from The New York Times, The Daily podcast, and Ezra Klein. Jolene gravitates toward Fox News, America's Newsroom, and The Free Press. For 10 days, we switched sides to see what we'd been missing - or avoiding.

In a time when we're told that Americans have never been more divided, maybe the real problem isn't our differences - it's that we've stopped trying to understand each other.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Straight Arrow News: https://san.com/


Ezra Klein Show: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1548604447


The Daily: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-daily/id1200361736


The Headlines: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-headlines/id1758855019


America’s Newsroom: https://www.foxnews.com/shows/americas-newsroom


World News Tonight: https://abcnews.go.com/world-news-tonight-with-david-muir


The Free Press: https://www.thefp.com/


Tangle: https://www.readtangle.com/


1440: https://join1440.com/ 


Gavin Newsom/Frank Luntz podcast episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/this-is-gavin-newsom/id1798358255?i=1000708420132





LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>What happens when a liberal starts watching Fox News and a conservative dives into The New York Times? We decided to find out. For 10 days, we deliberately consumed each other's preferred media sources to see if we'd been living in completely different realities. 

I (Nicole) typically get my news from The New York Times, The Daily podcast, and Ezra Klein. Jolene gravitates toward Fox News, America's Newsroom, and The Free Press. For 10 days, we switched sides to see what we'd been missing - or avoiding.

In a time when we're told that Americans have never been more divided, maybe the real problem isn't our differences - it's that we've stopped trying to understand each other.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Straight Arrow News: https://san.com/


Ezra Klein Show: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1548604447


The Daily: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-daily/id1200361736


The Headlines: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-headlines/id1758855019


America’s Newsroom: https://www.foxnews.com/shows/americas-newsroom


World News Tonight: https://abcnews.go.com/world-news-tonight-with-david-muir


The Free Press: https://www.thefp.com/


Tangle: https://www.readtangle.com/


1440: https://join1440.com/ 


Gavin Newsom/Frank Luntz podcast episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/this-is-gavin-newsom/id1798358255?i=1000708420132





LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>72362249-463c-41e5-8dd5-accfda054fd7Wed, 06 Aug 2025 03:00:00 -040042:42truefull2626Epstein Files Conspiracy + Political Questions You're Afraid to AskEpstein Files Conspiracy + Political Questions You're Afraid to AskSome conversations are too important to avoid just because they're uncomfortable. Toda, Jolene brought questions to the table that she's been wrestling with and wanted my (Nicole's) take on as a liberal Democrat: 

Can you love America without being racist? 

Should we forgive student loans or is that unfair to people who already paid? 

And what's really in those Epstein files? 

These are the discussions happening in your head that you're afraid to say out loud - so we're saying them for you.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

  • The Joe Rogan Experience: James Talerico https://youtu.be/_jOGPvMftb8?si=WUkWVuwG0uT9peD9 
  • Hunter Biden Full Interview: https://youtu.be/XBbkt2vYC4M?si=LkJZdrMmoq1e7lEy 
  • Lee Greenwood Song Jolene loves: https://youtu.be/-KoXt9pZLGM?si=WE-xwaDreSR81nic 
  • Ember Coffee Cup: https://ember.com/

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>Some conversations are too important to avoid just because they're uncomfortable. Toda, Jolene brought questions to the table that she's been wrestling with and wanted my (Nicole's) take on as a liberal Democrat: 

Can you love America without being racist? 

Should we forgive student loans or is that unfair to people who already paid? 

And what's really in those Epstein files? 

These are the discussions happening in your head that you're afraid to say out loud - so we're saying them for you.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

  • The Joe Rogan Experience: James Talerico https://youtu.be/_jOGPvMftb8?si=WUkWVuwG0uT9peD9 
  • Hunter Biden Full Interview: https://youtu.be/XBbkt2vYC4M?si=LkJZdrMmoq1e7lEy 
  • Lee Greenwood Song Jolene loves: https://youtu.be/-KoXt9pZLGM?si=WE-xwaDreSR81nic 
  • Ember Coffee Cup: https://ember.com/

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>5702659d-4eba-4443-b448-ea697a0263f1Wed, 30 Jul 2025 03:00:00 -040050:09truefull2525Trump's Meme Coin Made Millions While You Got PlayedTrump's Meme Coin Made Millions While You Got PlayedA politician launches a meme coin and makes millions overnight while regular investors lose their shirts. Sound familiar? It should, because it's the same story that's been playing out for decades - just with different players and shinier packaging. Today we're taking a look at Trump's latest money grab and asking the question nobody in Washington wants to answer: Why do the rules seem different for the people making them?

The solution might not be to elect different politicians - it could be changing the rules so that public service means actual service, not personal enrichment. Blind trusts, trading restrictions, real transparency - these aren't radical ideas, they're basic ethics questions.

Many scandals follow a similar pattern: outrage, investigation, strongly worded statements, and then... not much changes. The system might protect itself because the people with the power to change it are often the same people benefiting from it. Trump's meme coin could be just the latest example of a much deeper issue.

Maybe we need to stop thinking about this as left versus right and start recognizing it as up versus down. The wealthy and connected versus everyone else. Until we're willing to have that conversation honestly, we might keep seeing the same patterns repeat.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:26 Wealth Inequality and Initial Reactions

00:52 Trump's Financial Maneuvers

01:34 Market Manipulation and Insider Trading

03:46 Comparisons and Broader Implications

10:47 Congressional Trading and Corruption

14:06 Debating Government and Wealth

21:53 Government Systems and Inefficiencies

23:12 Discovering the Government Mine

24:34 Homelessness and Wealth Inequality

26:16 Tax Structures and Corporate Benefits

29:08 Political Influence and Stock Trading

32:19 Social Programs and Their Impact

36:18 The Randolph-Shepherd Act


RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Scott Galloway Snippet:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJj57tKPMPm/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==


Full Episode:

https://youtu.be/b_Uy8W75J8k?si=YvBqIzY6sDxWIJPU


Quiver Quantitative:

https://www.quiverquant.com/


Randolph Shepherd Act:

https://rsa.ed.gov/about/programs/randolph-sheppard-vending-facility-program#:~:text=The%201936%20act%20was%20enacted,vending%20facilities%20in%20federal%20buildings.


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 



]]>A politician launches a meme coin and makes millions overnight while regular investors lose their shirts. Sound familiar? It should, because it's the same story that's been playing out for decades - just with different players and shinier packaging. Today we're taking a look at Trump's latest money grab and asking the question nobody in Washington wants to answer: Why do the rules seem different for the people making them?

The solution might not be to elect different politicians - it could be changing the rules so that public service means actual service, not personal enrichment. Blind trusts, trading restrictions, real transparency - these aren't radical ideas, they're basic ethics questions.

Many scandals follow a similar pattern: outrage, investigation, strongly worded statements, and then... not much changes. The system might protect itself because the people with the power to change it are often the same people benefiting from it. Trump's meme coin could be just the latest example of a much deeper issue.

Maybe we need to stop thinking about this as left versus right and start recognizing it as up versus down. The wealthy and connected versus everyone else. Until we're willing to have that conversation honestly, we might keep seeing the same patterns repeat.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:26 Wealth Inequality and Initial Reactions

00:52 Trump's Financial Maneuvers

01:34 Market Manipulation and Insider Trading

03:46 Comparisons and Broader Implications

10:47 Congressional Trading and Corruption

14:06 Debating Government and Wealth

21:53 Government Systems and Inefficiencies

23:12 Discovering the Government Mine

24:34 Homelessness and Wealth Inequality

26:16 Tax Structures and Corporate Benefits

29:08 Political Influence and Stock Trading

32:19 Social Programs and Their Impact

36:18 The Randolph-Shepherd Act


RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Scott Galloway Snippet:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJj57tKPMPm/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==


Full Episode:

https://youtu.be/b_Uy8W75J8k?si=YvBqIzY6sDxWIJPU


Quiver Quantitative:

https://www.quiverquant.com/


Randolph Shepherd Act:

https://rsa.ed.gov/about/programs/randolph-sheppard-vending-facility-program#:~:text=The%201936%20act%20was%20enacted,vending%20facilities%20in%20federal%20buildings.


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 



]]>32df0fbd-346f-41ba-9bc5-abaf08837625Wed, 23 Jul 2025 03:00:00 -040050:31truefull2424Why Everything Is Political Now And How It's Breaking AmericaWhy Everything Is Political Now And How It's Breaking AmericaWhen did ordering coffee become a political statement? When did choosing a grocery store require checking their donation records? Everything in America has become a battlefield - immigration, crime, even due process. Today we tackle the exhausting reality of living in a country where literally everything gets filtered through red and blue lenses, and ask the question nobody wants to answer: How do we fix this mess?

The truth is, most Americans want the same things: safe communities, economic opportunity, fair treatment under the law. We disagree on methods, not goals. But our political system profits from division, so we get fed a steady diet of outrage instead of solutions. The media gets clicks, politicians get donations, and we get more frustrated and divided.

America wasn't always this polarized. We've had heated political debates before without turning family dinners into war zones. The difference now is that we've let politics become our primary identity instead of just one part of who we are. We've forgotten that the person who votes differently than you might still be a good neighbor, parent, or friend.

The solution isn't to stop caring about politics - it's to start caring about people more than political points. It's to hold our elected officials accountable for governing instead of performing. It's to choose curiosity over combativeness and solutions over slogans.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

03:23 Debate on Checks and Balances

05:15 Media Influence and Misinformation

07:12 Immigration and Due Process

20:52 Congress and Executive Actions

26:52 Reflecting on Immigration Policies

29:37 Correcting Misconceptions About Domino's Pizza

32:49 Political Motivations and Media Influence

34:56 Encouraging Unity and Understanding

38:34 Personal Reflections and Drumming Passion

45:06 Fun 'Would You Rather' Questions

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Good for the Soul: Tim Ferris and Terry Real 

The Therapist Who Breaks All The Rules — Terry Real

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>When did ordering coffee become a political statement? When did choosing a grocery store require checking their donation records? Everything in America has become a battlefield - immigration, crime, even due process. Today we tackle the exhausting reality of living in a country where literally everything gets filtered through red and blue lenses, and ask the question nobody wants to answer: How do we fix this mess?

The truth is, most Americans want the same things: safe communities, economic opportunity, fair treatment under the law. We disagree on methods, not goals. But our political system profits from division, so we get fed a steady diet of outrage instead of solutions. The media gets clicks, politicians get donations, and we get more frustrated and divided.

America wasn't always this polarized. We've had heated political debates before without turning family dinners into war zones. The difference now is that we've let politics become our primary identity instead of just one part of who we are. We've forgotten that the person who votes differently than you might still be a good neighbor, parent, or friend.

The solution isn't to stop caring about politics - it's to start caring about people more than political points. It's to hold our elected officials accountable for governing instead of performing. It's to choose curiosity over combativeness and solutions over slogans.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

03:23 Debate on Checks and Balances

05:15 Media Influence and Misinformation

07:12 Immigration and Due Process

20:52 Congress and Executive Actions

26:52 Reflecting on Immigration Policies

29:37 Correcting Misconceptions About Domino's Pizza

32:49 Political Motivations and Media Influence

34:56 Encouraging Unity and Understanding

38:34 Personal Reflections and Drumming Passion

45:06 Fun 'Would You Rather' Questions

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Good for the Soul: Tim Ferris and Terry Real 

The Therapist Who Breaks All The Rules — Terry Real

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>3d7b5f27-0401-46fc-af85-ffef40490d6fWed, 16 Jul 2025 03:00:00 -040049:32truefull2323What does Mamdani's Primary win say about the future of the Democratic party?What does Mamdani's Primary win say about the future of the Democratic party?When a progressive candidate wins NYC's Democratic primary, Republicans immediately cry "socialism" while Democrats are optimistic about change. Nicole and Jolene examine whether expanding city services is actually radical or just what every other developed country already does.

This episode explores the weaponization of political labels, why Democratic voters are choosing progressives over moderates, and whether America is ready for policies that prioritize people over profits. From free childcare to the fear of Venezuela comparisons, we tackle the real questions behind the headlines.

Two friends proving that political opposites can have productive conversations about the future of American democracy.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:23 New York City Politics and Rank Choice Voting

02:23 Concerns About Socialist Policies

03:44 Antisemitism and Middle Eastern Politics

06:49 Personal Voting Experiences

10:47 Mamdani's Campaign Strategies

18:52 Debating Mamdani's Policies

24:36 Democratic Party's Future and National Politics

34:59 Tom Till's Decision and Trump's Extremism

35:14 Border Crossings and Immigration Issues

35:44 Trump's Achievements and Consequences

36:31 Political Division and Unity

38:06 Democratic Party and Mamdani's Win

39:55 Antisemitism and Muslim Representation

44:11 American Values and Socialism Debate

47:26 Medicaid and State Rights

52:46 Political Smear Campaigns

53:36 Mental Health Crisis and Policing



RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Good for the Soul: 

Jon Stewart and Trevor Noah: https://youtu.be/44uC12g9ZVk?si=NmF2-E2zkb8yXPGz 

Steven Eugene Kuhn https://www.instagram.com/steveneugenekuhn/?hl=en


LINKS:

Our website: https://www.wevegottotalk.com/

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

On Spotify:  https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 



]]>When a progressive candidate wins NYC's Democratic primary, Republicans immediately cry "socialism" while Democrats are optimistic about change. Nicole and Jolene examine whether expanding city services is actually radical or just what every other developed country already does.

This episode explores the weaponization of political labels, why Democratic voters are choosing progressives over moderates, and whether America is ready for policies that prioritize people over profits. From free childcare to the fear of Venezuela comparisons, we tackle the real questions behind the headlines.

Two friends proving that political opposites can have productive conversations about the future of American democracy.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:23 New York City Politics and Rank Choice Voting

02:23 Concerns About Socialist Policies

03:44 Antisemitism and Middle Eastern Politics

06:49 Personal Voting Experiences

10:47 Mamdani's Campaign Strategies

18:52 Debating Mamdani's Policies

24:36 Democratic Party's Future and National Politics

34:59 Tom Till's Decision and Trump's Extremism

35:14 Border Crossings and Immigration Issues

35:44 Trump's Achievements and Consequences

36:31 Political Division and Unity

38:06 Democratic Party and Mamdani's Win

39:55 Antisemitism and Muslim Representation

44:11 American Values and Socialism Debate

47:26 Medicaid and State Rights

52:46 Political Smear Campaigns

53:36 Mental Health Crisis and Policing



RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Good for the Soul: 

Jon Stewart and Trevor Noah: https://youtu.be/44uC12g9ZVk?si=NmF2-E2zkb8yXPGz 

Steven Eugene Kuhn https://www.instagram.com/steveneugenekuhn/?hl=en


LINKS:

Our website: https://www.wevegottotalk.com/

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

On Spotify:  https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 



]]>accf228b-da08-4528-930a-901037104ed6Wed, 09 Jul 2025 04:30:00 -040001:04:42truefull2222Big Food Is Poisoning America - And The Government Is Helping Them Do ItBig Food Is Poisoning America - And The Government Is Helping Them Do ItAccording to a study performed by the Commonwealth Fund, Americans are sicker than ever while spending more on healthcare than any other country. 

Let that fact sink in for a moment. For a developed nation, we expect so much better for our country and we desperately want to see change.

So why are Americans spending so much on healthcare, and still getting sicker? it seems that the answer isn't in your medicine cabinet - it's in your pantry. We’re taking a look into the dirty alliance between Big Food, Big Pharma, and the politicians who enable them. From high fructose corn syrup in everything to SNAP benefits funding junk food addiction, we're exploring the system that's literally killing us for profit.


Every dollar you spend is a vote for the kind of food system you want. Every conversation you have about this topic chips away at the lies we've been told. Every time you choose real food over processed garbage, you're fighting back against a system designed to exploit your health for profit.

The food industry is counting on your ignorance and your convenience addiction. They're betting you won't read labels, won't ask questions, won't connect the dots between what you eat and how you feel. Prove them wrong.


CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction to Big Food and Pharma

01:08 Dr. Mark Hyman and the Ozempic Episode

01:47 The Marriage of Pharma, Food, and Tobacco

10:56 The SNAP Program and Food Subsidies

17:58 Personal Health Journey and Functional Medicine

21:25 The Role of Lobbying in Healthcare

23:03 Regenerative Farming and Food Education

31:48 The Role of Genetically Modified Seeds in Agriculture

32:29 Health Impacts of Modern Agriculture

34:41 Functional Medicine and Health Awareness

35:31 Political Perspectives on Health Regulations

36:58 Collaborative Efforts for Healthier Living

41:18 The Importance of Functional Health Practitioners

43:10 Good for the Soul: Swearing and Documentaries



RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Tucker Carlson show: 

https://youtu.be/mUH4Co2wE-I?si=7z163wWy8t8lqxpO

Realfoodology: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/realfoodology/id1529008803?i=1000689022149

Joe Rogan: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-joe-rogan-experience/id360084272?i=1000672259

309 Megyn Kelly Show: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ending-chronic-disease-forces-fighting-rfk-and-maha/id1532976305?i=1000702748981

 Time Magazine Article: 

https://time.com/7272667/swearing-curse-words-health-benefits/

The Biggest LIttle Farm Trailer: 

https://youtu.be/UfDTM4JxHl8?si=hIRHHyQdAl4RKz4u

IG Conflictish: https://www.instagram.com/conflictish/?igsh=MXkxOGY4cHAzZ2p2bQ%3D%3D#


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>According to a study performed by the Commonwealth Fund, Americans are sicker than ever while spending more on healthcare than any other country. 

Let that fact sink in for a moment. For a developed nation, we expect so much better for our country and we desperately want to see change.

So why are Americans spending so much on healthcare, and still getting sicker? it seems that the answer isn't in your medicine cabinet - it's in your pantry. We’re taking a look into the dirty alliance between Big Food, Big Pharma, and the politicians who enable them. From high fructose corn syrup in everything to SNAP benefits funding junk food addiction, we're exploring the system that's literally killing us for profit.


Every dollar you spend is a vote for the kind of food system you want. Every conversation you have about this topic chips away at the lies we've been told. Every time you choose real food over processed garbage, you're fighting back against a system designed to exploit your health for profit.

The food industry is counting on your ignorance and your convenience addiction. They're betting you won't read labels, won't ask questions, won't connect the dots between what you eat and how you feel. Prove them wrong.


CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction to Big Food and Pharma

01:08 Dr. Mark Hyman and the Ozempic Episode

01:47 The Marriage of Pharma, Food, and Tobacco

10:56 The SNAP Program and Food Subsidies

17:58 Personal Health Journey and Functional Medicine

21:25 The Role of Lobbying in Healthcare

23:03 Regenerative Farming and Food Education

31:48 The Role of Genetically Modified Seeds in Agriculture

32:29 Health Impacts of Modern Agriculture

34:41 Functional Medicine and Health Awareness

35:31 Political Perspectives on Health Regulations

36:58 Collaborative Efforts for Healthier Living

41:18 The Importance of Functional Health Practitioners

43:10 Good for the Soul: Swearing and Documentaries



RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Tucker Carlson show: 

https://youtu.be/mUH4Co2wE-I?si=7z163wWy8t8lqxpO

Realfoodology: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/realfoodology/id1529008803?i=1000689022149

Joe Rogan: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-joe-rogan-experience/id360084272?i=1000672259

309 Megyn Kelly Show: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ending-chronic-disease-forces-fighting-rfk-and-maha/id1532976305?i=1000702748981

 Time Magazine Article: 

https://time.com/7272667/swearing-curse-words-health-benefits/

The Biggest LIttle Farm Trailer: 

https://youtu.be/UfDTM4JxHl8?si=hIRHHyQdAl4RKz4u

IG Conflictish: https://www.instagram.com/conflictish/?igsh=MXkxOGY4cHAzZ2p2bQ%3D%3D#


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>809ee5b1-fd53-4568-83fa-182dd9f043a0Wed, 02 Jul 2025 03:00:00 -040051:40truefull2121Army Parades vs. Anti-Government Protests: When Patriotism Gets ComplicatedArmy Parades vs. Anti-Government Protests: When Patriotism Gets ComplicatedTwo massive events dominated the weekend: the Army's 250th anniversary parade and the No Kings March. One celebrated military might with millions in taxpayer dollars, the other protested government overreach with signs and chants. Both claimed to represent "real America." So which one actually does? We’re digging into the messy reality of modern patriotism and ask the uncomfortable question: Can you love your country while hating your government?

Maybe the real issue isn't whether parades or protests are more patriotic. Maybe it's that we've forgotten how to disagree without demonizing. The Army parade and No Kings March both happened in the same country, on the same weekend, representing the same people's different visions of American greatness.

That's not division - that's democracy. Messy, expensive, sometimes chaotic democracy where military pageantry and anti-government protests can coexist because freedom means having space for both.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction: Unlikely Friends

00:23 Discussing the Army Parade

01:56 Trump's Influence and Media Coverage

07:09 No Kings March and Public Protests

14:36 Sponsorship and Commercialization of Events

19:08 Debating the Effectiveness of Protests

27:28 Good News and Lighthearted Questions

34:48 Conclusion


RESOURCES MENTIONED:



LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>Two massive events dominated the weekend: the Army's 250th anniversary parade and the No Kings March. One celebrated military might with millions in taxpayer dollars, the other protested government overreach with signs and chants. Both claimed to represent "real America." So which one actually does? We’re digging into the messy reality of modern patriotism and ask the uncomfortable question: Can you love your country while hating your government?

Maybe the real issue isn't whether parades or protests are more patriotic. Maybe it's that we've forgotten how to disagree without demonizing. The Army parade and No Kings March both happened in the same country, on the same weekend, representing the same people's different visions of American greatness.

That's not division - that's democracy. Messy, expensive, sometimes chaotic democracy where military pageantry and anti-government protests can coexist because freedom means having space for both.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction: Unlikely Friends

00:23 Discussing the Army Parade

01:56 Trump's Influence and Media Coverage

07:09 No Kings March and Public Protests

14:36 Sponsorship and Commercialization of Events

19:08 Debating the Effectiveness of Protests

27:28 Good News and Lighthearted Questions

34:48 Conclusion


RESOURCES MENTIONED:



LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>38710f6c-681b-4074-aafc-5fbc85925a9cWed, 25 Jun 2025 03:00:00 -040035:44truefull2020We Got DESTROYED on TikTok- The Social Media Backlash Nobody Warned Us AboutWe Got DESTROYED on TikTok- The Social Media Backlash Nobody Warned Us AboutTwo friends. One TikTok account. Complete chaos.

What started as an innocent attempt to share our conversations quickly turned into a masterclass in online brutality. From weird yelling videos in the DMs to comment sections that looked like digital war zones, we learned the hard way that TikTok doesn't play nice with nuanced political discussions.

This episode shares some of the behind the scenes issues we’ve been dealing with on social media since launching our show. We're talking about the algorithm that rewards outrage, the trolls who live for destruction, and the mental health cost of putting yourself out there. Plus, the settings we changed to survive and the lessons we learned about navigating social media without losing your sanity.

CHAPTER MARKERS

00:00 Starting Our TikTok Journey - What Could Go Wrong?

 01:43 Facing the Backlash - When Comments Turn Toxic 

02:40 Dealing with Online Hate - The Real Cost of Speaking Up 

05:19 Understanding TikTok's Algorithm - Why Controversy Wins 

06:24 Finding Solutions and Moving Forward - Protecting Your Peace 

07:53 Promoting Our Podcast - Because Real Conversations Matter

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>Two friends. One TikTok account. Complete chaos.

What started as an innocent attempt to share our conversations quickly turned into a masterclass in online brutality. From weird yelling videos in the DMs to comment sections that looked like digital war zones, we learned the hard way that TikTok doesn't play nice with nuanced political discussions.

This episode shares some of the behind the scenes issues we’ve been dealing with on social media since launching our show. We're talking about the algorithm that rewards outrage, the trolls who live for destruction, and the mental health cost of putting yourself out there. Plus, the settings we changed to survive and the lessons we learned about navigating social media without losing your sanity.

CHAPTER MARKERS

00:00 Starting Our TikTok Journey - What Could Go Wrong?

 01:43 Facing the Backlash - When Comments Turn Toxic 

02:40 Dealing with Online Hate - The Real Cost of Speaking Up 

05:19 Understanding TikTok's Algorithm - Why Controversy Wins 

06:24 Finding Solutions and Moving Forward - Protecting Your Peace 

07:53 Promoting Our Podcast - Because Real Conversations Matter

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>b40f3252-6fbe-44cb-a641-83b72722a399Sun, 22 Jun 2025 03:00:00 -040008:20truefull1919Pro-Life vs Pro-Choice: What Happens When Best Friends Disagree on AbortionPro-Life vs Pro-Choice: What Happens When Best Friends Disagree on AbortionAbortion. The word alone can end friendships, split families, and turn dinner parties into war zones. So what happens when a conservative Catholic woman and a liberal feminist sit down to discuss reproductive rights? Today's episode tackles the most divisive issue in America through the lens of a nearly four-decade friendship that's survived everything - including this.

Here's what makes this conversation different from the “debates” on cable news: both women actually listen to each other. Jolene doesn't dismiss Nicole's concerns about women dying from back-alley abortions. Nicole doesn't mock Jolene's belief in the sanctity of life. They've found something rare in 2025 - the ability to disagree without demonizing.

What if both sides are partially right? What if protecting women's health and valuing potential life aren't mutually exclusive? What if the real enemy isn't each other, but a system that forces impossible choices? These are the uncomfortable questions that emerge when you move past talking points and into real dialogue.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:20 Listener's Clip on Reproductive Rights

02:30 Discussion on Reproductive Rights and Legal Implications

07:29 Personal Beliefs and Religious Perspectives

19:50 Government and Federally Funded Abortions

21:24 Debate on Abortion Laws and Women's Health

30:59 Reflecting on a Traumatic Experience

31:20 The Impact of Date Rape Awareness

32:08 Gratitude and What-If Scenarios

32:34 The Stigma and Shame of Rape

34:43 Government's Role in Protecting Vulnerable Lives

35:22 Personal Stories and the Value of Life

36:29 Medical Dilemmas and Legal Implications

38:34 Abortion Statistics and Public Opinion

42:45 Welfare System and Birth Control

48:57 Would You Rather Game


RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Georgia Life Act:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_House_Bill_481


Snippet Source - Georgia’s Heartbeat Law:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJrZlVLteOX/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 



]]>Abortion. The word alone can end friendships, split families, and turn dinner parties into war zones. So what happens when a conservative Catholic woman and a liberal feminist sit down to discuss reproductive rights? Today's episode tackles the most divisive issue in America through the lens of a nearly four-decade friendship that's survived everything - including this.

Here's what makes this conversation different from the “debates” on cable news: both women actually listen to each other. Jolene doesn't dismiss Nicole's concerns about women dying from back-alley abortions. Nicole doesn't mock Jolene's belief in the sanctity of life. They've found something rare in 2025 - the ability to disagree without demonizing.

What if both sides are partially right? What if protecting women's health and valuing potential life aren't mutually exclusive? What if the real enemy isn't each other, but a system that forces impossible choices? These are the uncomfortable questions that emerge when you move past talking points and into real dialogue.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:20 Listener's Clip on Reproductive Rights

02:30 Discussion on Reproductive Rights and Legal Implications

07:29 Personal Beliefs and Religious Perspectives

19:50 Government and Federally Funded Abortions

21:24 Debate on Abortion Laws and Women's Health

30:59 Reflecting on a Traumatic Experience

31:20 The Impact of Date Rape Awareness

32:08 Gratitude and What-If Scenarios

32:34 The Stigma and Shame of Rape

34:43 Government's Role in Protecting Vulnerable Lives

35:22 Personal Stories and the Value of Life

36:29 Medical Dilemmas and Legal Implications

38:34 Abortion Statistics and Public Opinion

42:45 Welfare System and Birth Control

48:57 Would You Rather Game


RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Georgia Life Act:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_House_Bill_481


Snippet Source - Georgia’s Heartbeat Law:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJrZlVLteOX/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 



]]>3657e3f9-373d-495d-bb1b-dcd81bb9d9c4Wed, 18 Jun 2025 03:00:00 -040051:26truefull1818Assumption vs Reality: How Democrats and Republicans Misunderstand Each OtherAssumption vs Reality: How Democrats and Republicans Misunderstand Each OtherEver catch yourself making snap judgments about someone based on their political views? That MAGA hat automatically equals racist? That Biden sticker means socialist? We're all guilty of it, and it's destroying our ability to have real conversations. Today's episode exposes the shocking truth about how wrong we are about each other - and why our assumptions are keeping us trapped in our own echo chambers.

Our addiction to being right is costing us relationships, communities, and any chance of solving actual problems. While we're busy arguing with strawmen versions of each other, real issues go unaddressed. Climate change doesn't care about your political party. Economic inequality affects everyone. But we're too busy fighting imaginary enemies to tackle real challenges.

The truth is uncomfortable: we're all more alike than different, but our assumptions are keeping us from seeing it. Until we're willing to question what we think we know about each other, we'll stay trapped in this cycle of division and misunderstanding.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction and Book Mention

01:28 Perception Gap Study

03:46 Political Conversations and Media Bias

05:14 Gavin Newsom's Podcast and Reactions

08:05 Monica Guzman's Background and Work

17:04 Congressional Changes and Bipartisanship

23:35 Term Limits and Political Challenges

28:11 Would You Rather? Fun Questions

32:10 Conclusion and Teaser for Next Episode

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Book - I Never Thought Of It That Way

Gary Newsom Podcast

Steve Bannon on Gary Newsom Podcast

“Wag The Dog”


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 


]]>Ever catch yourself making snap judgments about someone based on their political views? That MAGA hat automatically equals racist? That Biden sticker means socialist? We're all guilty of it, and it's destroying our ability to have real conversations. Today's episode exposes the shocking truth about how wrong we are about each other - and why our assumptions are keeping us trapped in our own echo chambers.

Our addiction to being right is costing us relationships, communities, and any chance of solving actual problems. While we're busy arguing with strawmen versions of each other, real issues go unaddressed. Climate change doesn't care about your political party. Economic inequality affects everyone. But we're too busy fighting imaginary enemies to tackle real challenges.

The truth is uncomfortable: we're all more alike than different, but our assumptions are keeping us from seeing it. Until we're willing to question what we think we know about each other, we'll stay trapped in this cycle of division and misunderstanding.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction and Book Mention

01:28 Perception Gap Study

03:46 Political Conversations and Media Bias

05:14 Gavin Newsom's Podcast and Reactions

08:05 Monica Guzman's Background and Work

17:04 Congressional Changes and Bipartisanship

23:35 Term Limits and Political Challenges

28:11 Would You Rather? Fun Questions

32:10 Conclusion and Teaser for Next Episode

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Book - I Never Thought Of It That Way

Gary Newsom Podcast

Steve Bannon on Gary Newsom Podcast

“Wag The Dog”


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 


]]>9f87683a-7290-4733-801f-791788317825Wed, 11 Jun 2025 03:00:00 -040033:11truefull1717First Kisses, Underage Sorority Parties and Our Deepest FearsFirst Kisses, Underage Sorority Parties and Our Deepest FearsEveryone has those stories. The ones that shaped us, scarred us, or made us laugh until we cried (and maybe peed a little bit). Today's episode strips away the serious topics to reveal the raw, ridiculous, and sometimes embarrassing moments that made Nicole and Jolene who they are. From childhood dreams of stardom to saving lives - these are the stories you’ve never heard.

Today's reminder? Behind every heated debate, every strong opinion, every firm stance, there's a person shaped by their own collection of firsts, fears, and family recipes. Maybe that's the secret to having hard conversations in 2025 - remembering that we're all just grown-up versions of kids who once dreamed of Hollywood, saved lives at local pools, and believed in the magic of ruby slippers.

P.S. Would you give up the internet for a lifetime of comfort? Jolene's answer might surprise you... 😉

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction and Setting the Tone

02:18 First Kiss Stories

03:15 Childhood Dreams and Career Paths

05:17 High School Jobs and Lifeguard Tales

07:28 First Friends and Childhood Games

09:18 Celebrity Crushes and TV Shows

10:24 Fears and Family Concerns

11:47 Annoying Habits of Husbands

13:31 Annoying Gum Chewing

14:10 Favorite Walk-Up Songs

14:41 Inspiring Cancer Story

16:55 Faith and Prayer

18:02 Cherished Family Recipes

22:11 Favorite Movies

24:41 Would You Rather?

26:02 Final Thoughts and Goodbyes


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>Everyone has those stories. The ones that shaped us, scarred us, or made us laugh until we cried (and maybe peed a little bit). Today's episode strips away the serious topics to reveal the raw, ridiculous, and sometimes embarrassing moments that made Nicole and Jolene who they are. From childhood dreams of stardom to saving lives - these are the stories you’ve never heard.

Today's reminder? Behind every heated debate, every strong opinion, every firm stance, there's a person shaped by their own collection of firsts, fears, and family recipes. Maybe that's the secret to having hard conversations in 2025 - remembering that we're all just grown-up versions of kids who once dreamed of Hollywood, saved lives at local pools, and believed in the magic of ruby slippers.

P.S. Would you give up the internet for a lifetime of comfort? Jolene's answer might surprise you... 😉

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction and Setting the Tone

02:18 First Kiss Stories

03:15 Childhood Dreams and Career Paths

05:17 High School Jobs and Lifeguard Tales

07:28 First Friends and Childhood Games

09:18 Celebrity Crushes and TV Shows

10:24 Fears and Family Concerns

11:47 Annoying Habits of Husbands

13:31 Annoying Gum Chewing

14:10 Favorite Walk-Up Songs

14:41 Inspiring Cancer Story

16:55 Faith and Prayer

18:02 Cherished Family Recipes

22:11 Favorite Movies

24:41 Would You Rather?

26:02 Final Thoughts and Goodbyes


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>37f62067-b7b9-4620-89cb-0c669425993eWed, 04 Jun 2025 03:00:00 -040026:47truefull1616Biden's Cancer Bombshell: Coincidence or Calculated?Biden's Cancer Bombshell: Coincidence or Calculated?The White House has a new crisis on its hands, and it's not just medical. President Biden's aggressive prostate cancer diagnosis dropped like a bomb this week, leaving Americans with more questions than answers. Was this really breaking news to his medical team, or just to us? Today's episode digs into the suspicious timing, the convenient narrative shifts, and the uncomfortable question we’re all asking: How long have they been hiding this from the American people?

As this story continues to unfold, we're left navigating a political landscape where truth seems optional and timing is everything. The diagnosis itself deserves compassion – cancer doesn't discriminate between Republicans and Democrats. But the handling of this information deserves scrutiny from every American who believes in their right to make informed decisions about their leadership.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:30 Reacting to Biden's Diagnosis

02:35 Media Coverage and Public Perception

04:39 Political Implications and Inner Circle

08:11 Speculations and Theories

14:42 Personal Reflections and Final Thoughts

18:19 Speculations on Biden's Health

19:35 Democratic Party's Future

21:04 Bernie Sanders and AOC's Influence

22:39 Frustrations with the Democratic Establishment

26:02 The Need for New Leadership

28:47 Would You Rather: Fun and Lighthearted Questions

32:35 Final Thoughts and Farewell

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Wag The Dog

The Free Press

Gavin Newsom Frank Luntz interview

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 

]]>The White House has a new crisis on its hands, and it's not just medical. President Biden's aggressive prostate cancer diagnosis dropped like a bomb this week, leaving Americans with more questions than answers. Was this really breaking news to his medical team, or just to us? Today's episode digs into the suspicious timing, the convenient narrative shifts, and the uncomfortable question we’re all asking: How long have they been hiding this from the American people?

As this story continues to unfold, we're left navigating a political landscape where truth seems optional and timing is everything. The diagnosis itself deserves compassion – cancer doesn't discriminate between Republicans and Democrats. But the handling of this information deserves scrutiny from every American who believes in their right to make informed decisions about their leadership.

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:30 Reacting to Biden's Diagnosis

02:35 Media Coverage and Public Perception

04:39 Political Implications and Inner Circle

08:11 Speculations and Theories

14:42 Personal Reflections and Final Thoughts

18:19 Speculations on Biden's Health

19:35 Democratic Party's Future

21:04 Bernie Sanders and AOC's Influence

22:39 Frustrations with the Democratic Establishment

26:02 The Need for New Leadership

28:47 Would You Rather: Fun and Lighthearted Questions

32:35 Final Thoughts and Farewell

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Wag The Dog

The Free Press

Gavin Newsom Frank Luntz interview

LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 

]]>5fdeeb4a-063a-456a-8015-cf4096fa8d08Sat, 24 May 2025 03:00:00 -040033:25truefull1515Religion, Identity & Social Media: Having IMPOSSIBLE Conversations in 2025Religion, Identity & Social Media: Having IMPOSSIBLE Conversations in 2025Some topics feel impossible to discuss in 2025. They're too loaded, too painful, too complex. Today's episode tackles one of the most challenging: the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Through Nicole's personal journey as someone with Jewish heritage, we explore what happens when identity, politics, and humanity collide. No easy answers, just real conversation about issues that matter.

For Nicole, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict isn't just headlines - it's personal. Growing up with a Jewish father and a Christian mother meant straddling two worlds, never quite belonging in either. Jewish enough to feel the sting of antisemitism, but not Jewish enough by traditional standards to be fully embraced by the community.


It took experiencing blatant antisemitism at the University of Iowa to force a reckoning with this part of her identity. Suddenly, defending Jewish heritage became personal, even while questioning where she actually fit into the equation.


CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:50 Addressing Viewer Questions

02:43 Personal Background and Identity

05:31 Complexities of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

10:03 Protests and Free Speech

14:48 Race, Religion, and Social Movements

18:10 The Impact of Social Media on Political Opinions

20:10 Personal Experiences with Social Media Posts

21:52 The Consequences of Offensive Social Media Posts

22:31 The Role of Social Media in Modern Society

25:12 The Influence of Political Figures on Social Media Behavior

27:50 Promoting Peace Through Social Media

29:17 Lighthearted 'Would You Rather' Game



RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Good for the Soul:

https://www.instagram.com/lalshareef/


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/


How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 


]]>Some topics feel impossible to discuss in 2025. They're too loaded, too painful, too complex. Today's episode tackles one of the most challenging: the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Through Nicole's personal journey as someone with Jewish heritage, we explore what happens when identity, politics, and humanity collide. No easy answers, just real conversation about issues that matter.

For Nicole, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict isn't just headlines - it's personal. Growing up with a Jewish father and a Christian mother meant straddling two worlds, never quite belonging in either. Jewish enough to feel the sting of antisemitism, but not Jewish enough by traditional standards to be fully embraced by the community.


It took experiencing blatant antisemitism at the University of Iowa to force a reckoning with this part of her identity. Suddenly, defending Jewish heritage became personal, even while questioning where she actually fit into the equation.


CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction

00:50 Addressing Viewer Questions

02:43 Personal Background and Identity

05:31 Complexities of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

10:03 Protests and Free Speech

14:48 Race, Religion, and Social Movements

18:10 The Impact of Social Media on Political Opinions

20:10 Personal Experiences with Social Media Posts

21:52 The Consequences of Offensive Social Media Posts

22:31 The Role of Social Media in Modern Society

25:12 The Influence of Political Figures on Social Media Behavior

27:50 Promoting Peace Through Social Media

29:17 Lighthearted 'Would You Rather' Game



RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Good for the Soul:

https://www.instagram.com/lalshareef/


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/


How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 


]]>445894a0-065a-44b3-b8aa-5fdc292ac99eWed, 21 May 2025 03:00:00 -040030:28truefull1414Is Ozempic the wonder drug we need?Is Ozempic the wonder drug we need?Every woman knows that number. The one on the scale that determines if it's going to be a "good" day or a "bad" day. Today's episode strips away the Instagram filters and exposes the raw truth about weight obsession, body image, and the latest "miracle" drug everyone's talking about - Ozempic. From step aerobics in the 80s to modern-day weight loss shots, Nicole and Jolene confront the exhausting reality of living in a society obsessed with being thin.

America's relationship with weight isn't just about health - it's about worth. It's about equating thinness with success, with discipline, with value. Both of us have lived through decades of this messaging, from Jane Fonda workout tapes to today's "what I eat in a day" TikToks.

The pressure doesn't just come from social media or magazine covers. It's whispered in dressing rooms, discussed over salads, and embedded in every "you look great, have you lost weight?" compliment.

The solution isn't found in another injection, another diet, or another exercise program. It starts with confronting uncomfortable truths: about how we value ourselves, about what we're really hungry for, about the cost of chasing an impossible standard.

Your Turn To Share!

Are you tired of waging war with your body? Have you considered Ozempic as your next battle plan? The conversation continues on Instagram and YouTube channel "We've Got to Talk." Because maybe the first step to healing isn't changing our bodies - it's changing the conversation.

P.S. Your worth isn't measured in pounds, and your story is so much bigger than a before and after photo. 💕

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction to Ozempic Discussion

01:49 Personal Struggles with Weight

03:01 Research and Insights on Ozempic

03:53 Societal and Cultural Perspectives on Body Image

05:03 Health Implications and Personal Experiences

06:39 Challenges and Considerations with Ozempic

09:16 Personal Weight Management Stories

16:29 Fasting and Health Regeneration

20:09 Cancer and Health Awareness

21:04 Considering Ozempic for Personal Use

22:11 Dosing and Management Insights

22:45 Contradictions in Health Choices

24:17 Pharmaceutical Industry Critique

26:35 Good for the Soul: Art and Instagram

30:59 Would You Rather: Travel Dilemmas

33:27 Would You Rather: Weight and Soup

36:36 Closing Remarks and Subscriptions



RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Art Daily Dose: https://www.instagram.com/art_dailydose/

America the Possible: https://www.instagram.com/americathepossible/

Dr. Mark Hyman with Dr. Tyna Moore and Callie Means 

podcasts.apple.com 

Tangle News https://www.instagram.com/tangle.news/?hl=en

Dr. Mary Claire Haver: https://www.instagram.com/drmaryclaire/?hl=en

Dr. Stacy Sims: https://www.drstacysims.com/


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>Every woman knows that number. The one on the scale that determines if it's going to be a "good" day or a "bad" day. Today's episode strips away the Instagram filters and exposes the raw truth about weight obsession, body image, and the latest "miracle" drug everyone's talking about - Ozempic. From step aerobics in the 80s to modern-day weight loss shots, Nicole and Jolene confront the exhausting reality of living in a society obsessed with being thin.

America's relationship with weight isn't just about health - it's about worth. It's about equating thinness with success, with discipline, with value. Both of us have lived through decades of this messaging, from Jane Fonda workout tapes to today's "what I eat in a day" TikToks.

The pressure doesn't just come from social media or magazine covers. It's whispered in dressing rooms, discussed over salads, and embedded in every "you look great, have you lost weight?" compliment.

The solution isn't found in another injection, another diet, or another exercise program. It starts with confronting uncomfortable truths: about how we value ourselves, about what we're really hungry for, about the cost of chasing an impossible standard.

Your Turn To Share!

Are you tired of waging war with your body? Have you considered Ozempic as your next battle plan? The conversation continues on Instagram and YouTube channel "We've Got to Talk." Because maybe the first step to healing isn't changing our bodies - it's changing the conversation.

P.S. Your worth isn't measured in pounds, and your story is so much bigger than a before and after photo. 💕

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction to Ozempic Discussion

01:49 Personal Struggles with Weight

03:01 Research and Insights on Ozempic

03:53 Societal and Cultural Perspectives on Body Image

05:03 Health Implications and Personal Experiences

06:39 Challenges and Considerations with Ozempic

09:16 Personal Weight Management Stories

16:29 Fasting and Health Regeneration

20:09 Cancer and Health Awareness

21:04 Considering Ozempic for Personal Use

22:11 Dosing and Management Insights

22:45 Contradictions in Health Choices

24:17 Pharmaceutical Industry Critique

26:35 Good for the Soul: Art and Instagram

30:59 Would You Rather: Travel Dilemmas

33:27 Would You Rather: Weight and Soup

36:36 Closing Remarks and Subscriptions



RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Art Daily Dose: https://www.instagram.com/art_dailydose/

America the Possible: https://www.instagram.com/americathepossible/

Dr. Mark Hyman with Dr. Tyna Moore and Callie Means 

podcasts.apple.com 

Tangle News https://www.instagram.com/tangle.news/?hl=en

Dr. Mary Claire Haver: https://www.instagram.com/drmaryclaire/?hl=en

Dr. Stacy Sims: https://www.drstacysims.com/


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>0f3d03a4-6143-4a4d-bd8f-48745509b1e6Wed, 14 May 2025 03:00:00 -040038:03truefull1313Why would a Christian woman vote for Trump? - your questions answeredWhy would a Christian woman vote for Trump? - your questions answeredEver wondered how a conservative Christian woman justifies voting for Donald Trump? Or how someone reconciles their faith with a leader whose behavior often raises eyebrows? Today, we're ripping off the band-aid and answering some of the questions that have been flooding our DMs. No sugar-coating, no dancing around the issues—just real talk about politics, faith, and those messy places where they collide.

Here's the thing—whether you're nodding along or shaking your head, this conversation matters. We're peeling back the layers of assumptions that keep us divided and replacing them with something more valuable: understanding.

Got thoughts? Questions? Maybe you're sitting there thinking we've lost our minds or finally found our sense? Drop us a line on Instagram or jump into the comments on our YouTube channel "We've Got to Talk." This conversation's just getting started, and your voice matters.

- Nicole & Jolene

P.S. Yes, we're still friends after this conversation. 😉

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction and Pre-Recording Banter

02:44 Feedback and Listener Reactions

03:58 Discussing the Podcast's Purpose

07:59 Homework Assignment and Listener Questions

08:41 Explaining the Trump Vote

12:25 Addressing Concerns About Trump

21:22 Debating Trump's Racism Allegations

26:08 Government Control and Spending

29:04 Liberal Perspectives and National Parks

30:12 State of the Union Address Highlights

30:59 Emotional Moments and Political Reactions

34:45 Transgender Issues in Sports

37:59 Ukraine-Russia Conflict Analysis

44:23 Would You Rather? Fun and Games

50:22 Final Thoughts


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 


]]>Ever wondered how a conservative Christian woman justifies voting for Donald Trump? Or how someone reconciles their faith with a leader whose behavior often raises eyebrows? Today, we're ripping off the band-aid and answering some of the questions that have been flooding our DMs. No sugar-coating, no dancing around the issues—just real talk about politics, faith, and those messy places where they collide.

Here's the thing—whether you're nodding along or shaking your head, this conversation matters. We're peeling back the layers of assumptions that keep us divided and replacing them with something more valuable: understanding.

Got thoughts? Questions? Maybe you're sitting there thinking we've lost our minds or finally found our sense? Drop us a line on Instagram or jump into the comments on our YouTube channel "We've Got to Talk." This conversation's just getting started, and your voice matters.

- Nicole & Jolene

P.S. Yes, we're still friends after this conversation. 😉

CHAPTER MARKERS:

00:00 Introduction and Pre-Recording Banter

02:44 Feedback and Listener Reactions

03:58 Discussing the Podcast's Purpose

07:59 Homework Assignment and Listener Questions

08:41 Explaining the Trump Vote

12:25 Addressing Concerns About Trump

21:22 Debating Trump's Racism Allegations

26:08 Government Control and Spending

29:04 Liberal Perspectives and National Parks

30:12 State of the Union Address Highlights

30:59 Emotional Moments and Political Reactions

34:45 Transgender Issues in Sports

37:59 Ukraine-Russia Conflict Analysis

44:23 Would You Rather? Fun and Games

50:22 Final Thoughts


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 


]]>dfd0d3c6-3b41-42f2-a48a-4102e61ee3d1Wed, 07 May 2025 03:00:00 -040054:45truefull1212Are we getting canceled?Are we getting canceled?One wrong social media post. One controversial opinion. That's all it takes to see your business suffer in 2025. Today we’re taking a look at the brutal reality of cancel culture - what actually happens when your views don't match the majority. From death threats sliding into DMs to orchestrated boycott campaigns, Nicole and Jolene reveal the true cost of speaking up in an era where silence feels safer.

The most dangerous impact of cancel culture isn't the loud voices demanding boycotts - it's the voices we never hear. How many important conversations die in draft folders? How many perspectives get buried under layers of fear? How many bridges never get built because everyone's afraid to take the first step?

Two women from opposite sides of the political spectrum refuse to let fear win. While Jolene still worries about Dible Dough and Nicole still concerns herself with a potential backlash, we’ve decided that honest, respectful dialogue matters more than playing it safe.


Your Turn to Talk

Are you holding back your truth? Have you swallowed your words because the risk felt too high? The conversation continues on Instagram and YouTube channel "We've Got to Talk." Because in a world where cancel culture thrives on division, real conversation might be the only way forward.


- Nicole & Jolene


P.S. Thinking about canceling either of us after reading this? Try having a real conversation first. Coffee beats keyboard warfare every time. 😉


CHAPTER MARKERS:


00:00 Introduction

01:23 Launching We’ve Got To Talk Podcast

03:28 Facing Cancel Culture

05:31 Boycotts and Their Impact

07:50 Introducing Dibble Dough

08:21 Navigating Political Views

16:54 The Hypocrisy of Choices

18:57 The Privilege of Choice

19:26 Dealing with Anger and Exhaustion

20:24 Podcast Journey and Support

22:45 Cookie Dough Flavors

24:17 Good for the Soul Recommendations

25:30 Would You Rather?


RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Healing Out Loud - Instagram

Progress Network - Instagram


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 


]]>One wrong social media post. One controversial opinion. That's all it takes to see your business suffer in 2025. Today we’re taking a look at the brutal reality of cancel culture - what actually happens when your views don't match the majority. From death threats sliding into DMs to orchestrated boycott campaigns, Nicole and Jolene reveal the true cost of speaking up in an era where silence feels safer.

The most dangerous impact of cancel culture isn't the loud voices demanding boycotts - it's the voices we never hear. How many important conversations die in draft folders? How many perspectives get buried under layers of fear? How many bridges never get built because everyone's afraid to take the first step?

Two women from opposite sides of the political spectrum refuse to let fear win. While Jolene still worries about Dible Dough and Nicole still concerns herself with a potential backlash, we’ve decided that honest, respectful dialogue matters more than playing it safe.


Your Turn to Talk

Are you holding back your truth? Have you swallowed your words because the risk felt too high? The conversation continues on Instagram and YouTube channel "We've Got to Talk." Because in a world where cancel culture thrives on division, real conversation might be the only way forward.


- Nicole & Jolene


P.S. Thinking about canceling either of us after reading this? Try having a real conversation first. Coffee beats keyboard warfare every time. 😉


CHAPTER MARKERS:


00:00 Introduction

01:23 Launching We’ve Got To Talk Podcast

03:28 Facing Cancel Culture

05:31 Boycotts and Their Impact

07:50 Introducing Dibble Dough

08:21 Navigating Political Views

16:54 The Hypocrisy of Choices

18:57 The Privilege of Choice

19:26 Dealing with Anger and Exhaustion

20:24 Podcast Journey and Support

22:45 Cookie Dough Flavors

24:17 Good for the Soul Recommendations

25:30 Would You Rather?


RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Healing Out Loud - Instagram

Progress Network - Instagram


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 


]]>b90cc028-a436-4964-8c76-6d7de1e96c10Wed, 30 Apr 2025 03:00:00 -040030:17truefull1111Disruption in DC: Elon Musk and the DOGEDisruption in DC: Elon Musk and the DOGEIt's not every day you hear about a tech mogul transitioning to a pivotal role in government, yet here we are. When Donald Trump appointed Elon Musk as the head of the Department Of Government Efficiency, it sent shockwaves through every corner of Washington D.C. It's a bold move that has us curious, frustrated, and admittedly a bit nervous about what lies ahead. 

So what does this truly mean in the governmental landscape? Only time will tell, but it’s certainly causing quite a stir among Republicans and Democrats.

As the dust begins to settle, both the support and criticism around Musk’s influence are palpable. From what we're hearing on both ends of the political spectrum, everyone seems to be adopting a cautious optimism—or skepticism. Will the DOGE write a new chapter in the smart and efficient handling of our resources, or are we looking at a costly experiment?

Ultimately, whether you view this as a weird detour or a necessary intervention, one thing is clear: Elon Musk has galvanized a government ready for an upgrade. Join the conversation, wherever it may lead, because this is undoubtedly a moment that will make waves in history books yet to be written.

00:00 Introduction to Elon Musk and DOGE

00:57 Media Influence and Leaked Conversations

02:23 Muzzle Velocity and Media Critique

05:03 White House Press and Influencer Involvement

06:33 Beauty Standards and Political Stereotypes

08:35 Disruption in Government and Tech Industry

14:47 Elon Musk's Leadership Style and Influence

19:00 Political Protests and Free Speech

21:32 Revamping Conversations and Common Ground

22:14 Addressing Waste, Fraud, and Abuse

22:59 The Role of the United States in Global Aid

23:38 Elon Musk's Transparency and Cuts

24:23 The Impact of USAID and Government Spending

28:26 Social Security and National Debt

30:07 The Global Impact of Aid Programs

32:47 The Need for Change and Disruption

35:37 Would You Rather Game

LINKS:

404 Media: https://www.404media.co/things-are-going-to-get-intense-how-a-musk-ally-plans-to-push-ai-on-the-government/ 

Wired article: https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-lieutenant-gsa-ai-agency/?ref=404media.co


On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 

]]>It's not every day you hear about a tech mogul transitioning to a pivotal role in government, yet here we are. When Donald Trump appointed Elon Musk as the head of the Department Of Government Efficiency, it sent shockwaves through every corner of Washington D.C. It's a bold move that has us curious, frustrated, and admittedly a bit nervous about what lies ahead. 

So what does this truly mean in the governmental landscape? Only time will tell, but it’s certainly causing quite a stir among Republicans and Democrats.

As the dust begins to settle, both the support and criticism around Musk’s influence are palpable. From what we're hearing on both ends of the political spectrum, everyone seems to be adopting a cautious optimism—or skepticism. Will the DOGE write a new chapter in the smart and efficient handling of our resources, or are we looking at a costly experiment?

Ultimately, whether you view this as a weird detour or a necessary intervention, one thing is clear: Elon Musk has galvanized a government ready for an upgrade. Join the conversation, wherever it may lead, because this is undoubtedly a moment that will make waves in history books yet to be written.

00:00 Introduction to Elon Musk and DOGE

00:57 Media Influence and Leaked Conversations

02:23 Muzzle Velocity and Media Critique

05:03 White House Press and Influencer Involvement

06:33 Beauty Standards and Political Stereotypes

08:35 Disruption in Government and Tech Industry

14:47 Elon Musk's Leadership Style and Influence

19:00 Political Protests and Free Speech

21:32 Revamping Conversations and Common Ground

22:14 Addressing Waste, Fraud, and Abuse

22:59 The Role of the United States in Global Aid

23:38 Elon Musk's Transparency and Cuts

24:23 The Impact of USAID and Government Spending

28:26 Social Security and National Debt

30:07 The Global Impact of Aid Programs

32:47 The Need for Change and Disruption

35:37 Would You Rather Game

LINKS:

404 Media: https://www.404media.co/things-are-going-to-get-intense-how-a-musk-ally-plans-to-push-ai-on-the-government/ 

Wired article: https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-lieutenant-gsa-ai-agency/?ref=404media.co


On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 

]]>57af52dc-0c17-4493-ae80-31ab17b774fbWed, 23 Apr 2025 03:00:00 -040041:40truefull101010% on EVERYTHING? Trump's Latest Tariff Bombshell10% on EVERYTHING? Trump's Latest Tariff BombshellThe White House has become America's most dramatic reality show, with policy changes dropping faster than a new Netflix series. Trump's latest plot twist? A fresh wave of tariffs that are sending shockwaves from Wall Street to Shanghai. Just when the global markets thought they had the script figured out, this new economic bombshell is rewriting international trade rules and leaving world leaders scrambling to respond. 

For those keeping score at home (and let's face it, we all should be), these aren't just numbers on a spreadsheet—they're moves in a high-stakes game that's reshaping everything from your morning coffee prices to the future of international commerce.

Sure, Trump's "art of the deal" might make headlines, but let's get real—are these aggressive trade tactics actually strengthening global economic stability, or are they pushing us closer to a worldwide recession?

Here's the thing about global tariffs—they're like throwing a stone into a pond. The ripples affect everything: international relations, supply chains, consumer prices, and yes, even your local businesses. Some adapt and thrive, others struggle to stay afloat in these choppy economic waters.

We could debate international trade policy until the cows come home (wherever those cows might be manufactured these days), but now we want to hear from you. How are these global economic shifts affecting your corner of the world? Are you seeing prices climb? Has your business had to pivot its international strategy?

Whether you're watching from Wall Street or Main Street, your perspective matters in this global economic story. Stay informed, keep asking questions, and remember—in today's interconnected world, every economic decision has worldwide consequences.

00:00 Introduction to the Tariff Rollercoaster

01:27 Impact on Small Business Owners

02:29 Packaging and Sourcing Decisions

04:29 Retailer Challenges and Market Reactions

06:06 Political Influences and Decisions

08:31 Global Trade and Tariff Implications

11:26 Tariffs and the Fentanyl Crisis

14:53 Canada, Mexico, and Trade Dynamics

21:53 China's Dominance in Global Manufacturing

24:03 Green Energy Initiatives and China

26:17 Tariffs and American Manufacturing

30:44 Tax Cuts and Economic Policies

32:18 The Wealth Gap and Taxation

34:36 Stock Market and Economic Trust

36:34 Geopolitical Threats and China

37:59 Good for the Soul and Social Media

40:28 Would You Rather? Fun Questions

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Tax Foundation: https://taxfoundation.org/

USA Facts: https://usafacts.org/


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 

]]>The White House has become America's most dramatic reality show, with policy changes dropping faster than a new Netflix series. Trump's latest plot twist? A fresh wave of tariffs that are sending shockwaves from Wall Street to Shanghai. Just when the global markets thought they had the script figured out, this new economic bombshell is rewriting international trade rules and leaving world leaders scrambling to respond. 

For those keeping score at home (and let's face it, we all should be), these aren't just numbers on a spreadsheet—they're moves in a high-stakes game that's reshaping everything from your morning coffee prices to the future of international commerce.

Sure, Trump's "art of the deal" might make headlines, but let's get real—are these aggressive trade tactics actually strengthening global economic stability, or are they pushing us closer to a worldwide recession?

Here's the thing about global tariffs—they're like throwing a stone into a pond. The ripples affect everything: international relations, supply chains, consumer prices, and yes, even your local businesses. Some adapt and thrive, others struggle to stay afloat in these choppy economic waters.

We could debate international trade policy until the cows come home (wherever those cows might be manufactured these days), but now we want to hear from you. How are these global economic shifts affecting your corner of the world? Are you seeing prices climb? Has your business had to pivot its international strategy?

Whether you're watching from Wall Street or Main Street, your perspective matters in this global economic story. Stay informed, keep asking questions, and remember—in today's interconnected world, every economic decision has worldwide consequences.

00:00 Introduction to the Tariff Rollercoaster

01:27 Impact on Small Business Owners

02:29 Packaging and Sourcing Decisions

04:29 Retailer Challenges and Market Reactions

06:06 Political Influences and Decisions

08:31 Global Trade and Tariff Implications

11:26 Tariffs and the Fentanyl Crisis

14:53 Canada, Mexico, and Trade Dynamics

21:53 China's Dominance in Global Manufacturing

24:03 Green Energy Initiatives and China

26:17 Tariffs and American Manufacturing

30:44 Tax Cuts and Economic Policies

32:18 The Wealth Gap and Taxation

34:36 Stock Market and Economic Trust

36:34 Geopolitical Threats and China

37:59 Good for the Soul and Social Media

40:28 Would You Rather? Fun Questions

RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Tax Foundation: https://taxfoundation.org/

USA Facts: https://usafacts.org/


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 

]]>fc6d029e-ca66-4903-8b27-edbeed4fd3e8Wed, 16 Apr 2025 03:00:00 -040043:27truefull99Our take on DEI RollbacksOur take on DEI RollbacksHold onto your hats, folks—we're about to tackle one of the most heated topics in the current US political landscape.  Trump's recent rollback of DEI initiatives has set off a firestorm of reactions, and this topic is anything but simple. 

You know what's fascinating? The sheer audacity of this move has created a natural experiment in corporate values. While some companies scrambled to follow suit and drop the initiative with vigor, giants like Costco, the NFL, and Apple stood their ground with a resounding "Thanks, but no thanks." It's like watching a high-stakes poker game where companies are betting on their principles—and consumers hold the winning cards.

Maybe the real story isn't about Trump's decision or corporate America's response. Maybe it's about us—everyday people making countless small decisions that add up to significant change. Whether you're Team DEI or Team Rollback, you're part of this unfolding story.

So, what's your take? Are we witnessing the death of corporate diversity initiatives, or is this just another plot twist in America's ongoing journey toward equality? The conversation continues, and your voice matters more than you might think.


Let's keep talking, questioning, and yes, even disagreeing. Because that's how progress happens—one conversation, one decision, one action at a time.



00:00 Introduction and Greetings

00:42 Discussing DEI: Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion

01:04 Benefits and Challenges of Being a Woman-Owned Business

03:11 Reactions to DEI Rollbacks

04:24 Impact of George Floyd's Death on DEI Initiatives

05:29 Meritocracy and Racial Bias in Business

08:02 Trump's Executive Actions and Affirmative Action

09:25 Public Reaction to Trump's Policies

09:49 Tabitha Brown and Supporting Minority-Owned Businesses

10:38 The Role of Government and Corporations in DEI

23:05 Debating America's Identity

24:15 The DEI Controversy

25:48 Political Figures and Decisions

28:44 The Role of Women in Politics

34:04 Hypothetical Questions and Reflections

36:19 Final Thoughts and Agreement


RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Tabitha Brown - Target

Tabitha Brown - Instagram


LINKS:

Website: https://www.wevegottotalk.com/

Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>Hold onto your hats, folks—we're about to tackle one of the most heated topics in the current US political landscape.  Trump's recent rollback of DEI initiatives has set off a firestorm of reactions, and this topic is anything but simple. 

You know what's fascinating? The sheer audacity of this move has created a natural experiment in corporate values. While some companies scrambled to follow suit and drop the initiative with vigor, giants like Costco, the NFL, and Apple stood their ground with a resounding "Thanks, but no thanks." It's like watching a high-stakes poker game where companies are betting on their principles—and consumers hold the winning cards.

Maybe the real story isn't about Trump's decision or corporate America's response. Maybe it's about us—everyday people making countless small decisions that add up to significant change. Whether you're Team DEI or Team Rollback, you're part of this unfolding story.

So, what's your take? Are we witnessing the death of corporate diversity initiatives, or is this just another plot twist in America's ongoing journey toward equality? The conversation continues, and your voice matters more than you might think.


Let's keep talking, questioning, and yes, even disagreeing. Because that's how progress happens—one conversation, one decision, one action at a time.



00:00 Introduction and Greetings

00:42 Discussing DEI: Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion

01:04 Benefits and Challenges of Being a Woman-Owned Business

03:11 Reactions to DEI Rollbacks

04:24 Impact of George Floyd's Death on DEI Initiatives

05:29 Meritocracy and Racial Bias in Business

08:02 Trump's Executive Actions and Affirmative Action

09:25 Public Reaction to Trump's Policies

09:49 Tabitha Brown and Supporting Minority-Owned Businesses

10:38 The Role of Government and Corporations in DEI

23:05 Debating America's Identity

24:15 The DEI Controversy

25:48 Political Figures and Decisions

28:44 The Role of Women in Politics

34:04 Hypothetical Questions and Reflections

36:19 Final Thoughts and Agreement


RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Tabitha Brown - Target

Tabitha Brown - Instagram


LINKS:

Website: https://www.wevegottotalk.com/

Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>5481715c-443b-480a-becb-e9fadc65b4daWed, 09 Apr 2025 03:00:00 -040039:32truefull88Debating RFK’s Role as Secretary of HSSDebating RFK’s Role as Secretary of HSSIn our latest episode, we tackled a story that reads like a political thriller—Robert F. Kennedy Jr's appointment as U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services. This isn't just another political appointment; it's a narrative that challenges everything we thought we knew about party lines, public health, and the dance between science and politics. 

Picture this: A Kennedy—yes, from that Kennedy family—potentially serving under a Republican administration. It's like watching a political eclipse; rare, fascinating, and slightly unsettling. Though, not dissimilar to Trump switching from his Liberal roots to the Republican party. This unexpected alliance has left both sides of the aisle scratching their heads, wondering if we've entered an alternate political universe. Or has it become more important to side with the party that you think has the best chance of holding the power.

This isn't just about political appointments or healthcare policies—it's about reclaiming our voice in conversations that affect our families' wellbeing. We're calling for a new era of informed dialogue, where questioning the status quo doesn't make you a conspiracy theorist, and supporting science doesn't make you a corporate puppet.

From this conversation, one thing became crystal clear: This conversation isn't just about RFK Jr or political appointments—it's about you, your health, and your right to understand the forces shaping our healthcare future. The question isn't whether you agree with every point, but whether you're ready to join this crucial conversation about our collective wellbeing.

00:00 Introduction 

01:09 RFK's Political Background and Initial Reactions

03:03 Health and Food Safety Concerns

09:15 Vaccine Controversies and Government Trust Issues

11:31 Cancer and Vaccine Discussions

19:01 Concerns About RFK's Potential Conflicts of Interest

20:16 Impressions from the Hearings

22:32 Senators' Perspectives and Emotional Moments

25:28 Televised Hearings and Political Grandstanding

26:40 Accountability and Transparency in Politics

29:00 Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren's Passion

32:00 Media Influence and Pharmaceutical Industry

33:51 RFK's Vision for Unobstructed Science

36:46 Would You Rather? Fun and Personal Reflections


LINKS:

Website: https://www.wevegottotalk.com/

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>In our latest episode, we tackled a story that reads like a political thriller—Robert F. Kennedy Jr's appointment as U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services. This isn't just another political appointment; it's a narrative that challenges everything we thought we knew about party lines, public health, and the dance between science and politics. 

Picture this: A Kennedy—yes, from that Kennedy family—potentially serving under a Republican administration. It's like watching a political eclipse; rare, fascinating, and slightly unsettling. Though, not dissimilar to Trump switching from his Liberal roots to the Republican party. This unexpected alliance has left both sides of the aisle scratching their heads, wondering if we've entered an alternate political universe. Or has it become more important to side with the party that you think has the best chance of holding the power.

This isn't just about political appointments or healthcare policies—it's about reclaiming our voice in conversations that affect our families' wellbeing. We're calling for a new era of informed dialogue, where questioning the status quo doesn't make you a conspiracy theorist, and supporting science doesn't make you a corporate puppet.

From this conversation, one thing became crystal clear: This conversation isn't just about RFK Jr or political appointments—it's about you, your health, and your right to understand the forces shaping our healthcare future. The question isn't whether you agree with every point, but whether you're ready to join this crucial conversation about our collective wellbeing.

00:00 Introduction 

01:09 RFK's Political Background and Initial Reactions

03:03 Health and Food Safety Concerns

09:15 Vaccine Controversies and Government Trust Issues

11:31 Cancer and Vaccine Discussions

19:01 Concerns About RFK's Potential Conflicts of Interest

20:16 Impressions from the Hearings

22:32 Senators' Perspectives and Emotional Moments

25:28 Televised Hearings and Political Grandstanding

26:40 Accountability and Transparency in Politics

29:00 Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren's Passion

32:00 Media Influence and Pharmaceutical Industry

33:51 RFK's Vision for Unobstructed Science

36:46 Would You Rather? Fun and Personal Reflections


LINKS:

Website: https://www.wevegottotalk.com/

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>1a3a55b3-617d-487e-9e50-89af0baf6f0bWed, 02 Apr 2025 03:00:00 -040041:11truefull77Presidential Pardoning Power: A Necessary Tool or Ethical Dilemma?Presidential Pardoning Power: A Necessary Tool or Ethical Dilemma?Should the President of the United States hold the power to grant pardons? 

In our latest podcast episode, we tackled this burning question, particularly focusing on the pardons issued by Trump related to the January 6th Storming of the Capitol event. Should such pardons be allowed, and do they hold ethical ground? 

During our discussion, we explored the ramifications of pardons issued by Trump and Biden. Jolene raised an important point about Biden's preemptive pardons aimed at protecting individuals involved in January 6th based on fear of future retaliation from Trump and his constituents. Meanwhile, Trump's broad forgiveness for those who assaulted law enforcement officers during the insurrection strikes as both confusing and deeply concerning. 

Can advocating for "Blue Lives Matter" coexist with pardoning those who threaten them? These actions lead us to question if presidential pardoning power requires oversight or limitations, ensuring it's not wielded unilaterally.


Ultimately, we're striving for a more balanced approach to political discourse, one that rises above tit-for-tat tactics. Whether it's reconsidering the parameters of the presidential pardoning power or engaging with a variety of media, critical and ethical evaluation from all sides can lead to more fruitful, less divided conversations about our nation's future.


00:00 Introduction and Setting the Scene


01:11 Discussing Trump and Biden Pardons


03:57 Reactions to Pardons and Political Climate


07:05 January 6th Events and Aftermath


12:28 Media Coverage and Public Perception


19:09 Conspiracy Theories and Security Measures


21:09 Independent News and Media Reactions


22:08 Emergence of Independent News Agencies


22:34 Tangle News: A Balanced Perspective


23:38 Exploring New Independent News Sources


26:23 Following Political Figures on Social Media


28:21 The Importance of Diverse News Consumption


30:18 Celebrity Performances and Personal Stories


32:29 Would You Rather: A Fun Debate


RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Tangle: https://www.readtangle.com/

Free Press: https://www.thefp.com/

404 Media: https://www.404media.co/

Status News: https://www.status.news/


LINKS:

Website: https://www.wevegottotalk.com/

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 

]]>Should the President of the United States hold the power to grant pardons? 

In our latest podcast episode, we tackled this burning question, particularly focusing on the pardons issued by Trump related to the January 6th Storming of the Capitol event. Should such pardons be allowed, and do they hold ethical ground? 

During our discussion, we explored the ramifications of pardons issued by Trump and Biden. Jolene raised an important point about Biden's preemptive pardons aimed at protecting individuals involved in January 6th based on fear of future retaliation from Trump and his constituents. Meanwhile, Trump's broad forgiveness for those who assaulted law enforcement officers during the insurrection strikes as both confusing and deeply concerning. 

Can advocating for "Blue Lives Matter" coexist with pardoning those who threaten them? These actions lead us to question if presidential pardoning power requires oversight or limitations, ensuring it's not wielded unilaterally.


Ultimately, we're striving for a more balanced approach to political discourse, one that rises above tit-for-tat tactics. Whether it's reconsidering the parameters of the presidential pardoning power or engaging with a variety of media, critical and ethical evaluation from all sides can lead to more fruitful, less divided conversations about our nation's future.


00:00 Introduction and Setting the Scene


01:11 Discussing Trump and Biden Pardons


03:57 Reactions to Pardons and Political Climate


07:05 January 6th Events and Aftermath


12:28 Media Coverage and Public Perception


19:09 Conspiracy Theories and Security Measures


21:09 Independent News and Media Reactions


22:08 Emergence of Independent News Agencies


22:34 Tangle News: A Balanced Perspective


23:38 Exploring New Independent News Sources


26:23 Following Political Figures on Social Media


28:21 The Importance of Diverse News Consumption


30:18 Celebrity Performances and Personal Stories


32:29 Would You Rather: A Fun Debate


RESOURCES MENTIONED:

Tangle: https://www.readtangle.com/

Free Press: https://www.thefp.com/

404 Media: https://www.404media.co/

Status News: https://www.status.news/


LINKS:

Website: https://www.wevegottotalk.com/

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/ 

]]>4f430f4f-9342-446a-a041-904b2a135a9bWed, 26 Mar 2025 03:00:00 -040036:08truefull66What does it mean to be a liberal vs a conservative?What does it mean to be a liberal vs a conservative?Left or right? Progressive or traditional? 

These labels have become battle cries in our modern society, yet they barely scratch the surface of who we truly are. Beyond the oversimplified boxes of 'liberal' and 'conservative' lies a rich tapestry of human experience that defies easy categorization. 

Today, we're peeling back the layers of these identities—not just as political badges, but as deeply personal frameworks that color how we see the world, shape our relationships, and influence every conversation we have. 

It’s clear that the essence of being liberal or conservative extends beyond political affiliations; it is about personal experiences, cultural influences, and the identities we associate with. While these labels help define our political stance, they should never limit our capacity to engage openly and empathetically with those who differ from us. 

So, let this post be an invitation to broaden your worldview. Engage in conversations that challenge you, and let kindness and understanding guide you through the complexity of political discourse. There’s a lot to unravel, but there’s also beauty in the journey of discovery.

Navigating Political Differences: Empathy, Elections, and Everyday Humor


Join Jolene and Nicole as they delve into their political backgrounds, exploring what it means to be conservative and liberal in today's society. The conversation touches on their personal experiences, media consumption, and the impact of social bubbles on political understanding. Adding a touch of humor, they recount personal anecdotes, including Nicole's unforgettable road trip story. Tune in for a candid discussion aimed at fostering empathy and bridging the political divide.


00:00 Morning Greetings and Football Fandom

01:13 Defining Political Identities

02:38 Personal Political Journeys

07:41 The Role of Media in Politics

12:41 Celebrity Influence in Elections

16:34 Political Party Dynamics

18:25 Reflecting on Political Ads and Media Influence

19:09 Trump's Appeal and Controversies

23:48 The TikTok Privacy Debate

28:10 College vs. NFL Football Games

29:34 A Hilarious Ski Trip Story

34:37 Concluding Thoughts and Farewell


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>Left or right? Progressive or traditional? 

These labels have become battle cries in our modern society, yet they barely scratch the surface of who we truly are. Beyond the oversimplified boxes of 'liberal' and 'conservative' lies a rich tapestry of human experience that defies easy categorization. 

Today, we're peeling back the layers of these identities—not just as political badges, but as deeply personal frameworks that color how we see the world, shape our relationships, and influence every conversation we have. 

It’s clear that the essence of being liberal or conservative extends beyond political affiliations; it is about personal experiences, cultural influences, and the identities we associate with. While these labels help define our political stance, they should never limit our capacity to engage openly and empathetically with those who differ from us. 

So, let this post be an invitation to broaden your worldview. Engage in conversations that challenge you, and let kindness and understanding guide you through the complexity of political discourse. There’s a lot to unravel, but there’s also beauty in the journey of discovery.

Navigating Political Differences: Empathy, Elections, and Everyday Humor


Join Jolene and Nicole as they delve into their political backgrounds, exploring what it means to be conservative and liberal in today's society. The conversation touches on their personal experiences, media consumption, and the impact of social bubbles on political understanding. Adding a touch of humor, they recount personal anecdotes, including Nicole's unforgettable road trip story. Tune in for a candid discussion aimed at fostering empathy and bridging the political divide.


00:00 Morning Greetings and Football Fandom

01:13 Defining Political Identities

02:38 Personal Political Journeys

07:41 The Role of Media in Politics

12:41 Celebrity Influence in Elections

16:34 Political Party Dynamics

18:25 Reflecting on Political Ads and Media Influence

19:09 Trump's Appeal and Controversies

23:48 The TikTok Privacy Debate

28:10 College vs. NFL Football Games

29:34 A Hilarious Ski Trip Story

34:37 Concluding Thoughts and Farewell


LINKS:

On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>a5ea5051-9863-4bb4-b3f9-1e50ce718b26Wed, 19 Mar 2025 03:00:00 -040035:25truefull55Do We Need A Wall At the Border?Do We Need A Wall At the Border?Immigration: a hot-button topic that conjures knee-jerk reactions from racism to compassion, depending on who you ask. It's a question of humanity, security, and policy—a multifaceted issue that's as confusing as it is consequential. In this article, we are doing our best to discuss the issues with border security at the United States' southern border, and how the media portrays the situation differently depending on what state you’re living in.

When discussing the physical border wall, Nicole expressed that its implications extend beyond the structure itself —it symbolizes the country's stance on the lack of openness and inclusion. For Jolene, while the wall represents a piece of the puzzle, it is far from the comprehensive solution necessary for genuine reform.

Ultimately, we both believe that the border security issue calls for a coalition—regardless of political affiliation—that genuinely seeks human-centric approaches. Immigration isn't just a 'hot topic'; it's the lived reality of countless individuals seeking safety and opportunity in America.


The dialogue on immigration and border security is ongoing. Our aim is to keep questioning, shedding light, and rejecting the oversimplification that often dominates this narrative. Here's to understanding and pursuing better paths forward. 


LINKS:

Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>Immigration: a hot-button topic that conjures knee-jerk reactions from racism to compassion, depending on who you ask. It's a question of humanity, security, and policy—a multifaceted issue that's as confusing as it is consequential. In this article, we are doing our best to discuss the issues with border security at the United States' southern border, and how the media portrays the situation differently depending on what state you’re living in.

When discussing the physical border wall, Nicole expressed that its implications extend beyond the structure itself —it symbolizes the country's stance on the lack of openness and inclusion. For Jolene, while the wall represents a piece of the puzzle, it is far from the comprehensive solution necessary for genuine reform.

Ultimately, we both believe that the border security issue calls for a coalition—regardless of political affiliation—that genuinely seeks human-centric approaches. Immigration isn't just a 'hot topic'; it's the lived reality of countless individuals seeking safety and opportunity in America.


The dialogue on immigration and border security is ongoing. Our aim is to keep questioning, shedding light, and rejecting the oversimplification that often dominates this narrative. Here's to understanding and pursuing better paths forward. 


LINKS:

Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>8e3f6e23-6098-473a-a970-c761a93eb5e5Wed, 12 Mar 2025 03:00:00 -040038:49truefull44Why Republicans and Democrats Need to Talk NowWhy Republicans and Democrats Need to Talk NowIt’s clear that meaningful conversations between Republicans and Democrats have never been more crucial. It's time we stop the finger-pointing and just start talking to each other. Our goal here is to humanize the dialogue and inspire others to do the same.

For Jolene and me, our friendship began with curiosity and mutual respect back in college. Jolene was my first Republican friend, a small-town Iowa girl, meeting me, the California liberal. From the onset, we embraced each other's perspectives, cultivating a relationship grounded in respect. We've navigated tough political waters together, proving that real-life dialogue isn't just a soundbite. We live it—challenging, candid, and full of common ground.


The discussions on our podcast stem from a shared belief in America’s potential—a nation founded on diversity and different viewpoints. Yet, we've strayed towards isolated echo chambers. It's tempting to gravitate toward social media feedback loops that reinforce comfortable ideologies, but meaningful change requires discomfort and a willingness to meet somewhere in the middle.


LINKS:

Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

Spotify:  https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

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How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>It’s clear that meaningful conversations between Republicans and Democrats have never been more crucial. It's time we stop the finger-pointing and just start talking to each other. Our goal here is to humanize the dialogue and inspire others to do the same.

For Jolene and me, our friendship began with curiosity and mutual respect back in college. Jolene was my first Republican friend, a small-town Iowa girl, meeting me, the California liberal. From the onset, we embraced each other's perspectives, cultivating a relationship grounded in respect. We've navigated tough political waters together, proving that real-life dialogue isn't just a soundbite. We live it—challenging, candid, and full of common ground.


The discussions on our podcast stem from a shared belief in America’s potential—a nation founded on diversity and different viewpoints. Yet, we've strayed towards isolated echo chambers. It's tempting to gravitate toward social media feedback loops that reinforce comfortable ideologies, but meaningful change requires discomfort and a willingness to meet somewhere in the middle.


LINKS:

Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ 

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701

Spotify:  https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2

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How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/

How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

]]>a8fbe105-6bcf-484a-8a99-0d3fb214278aWed, 05 Mar 2025 03:00:00 -040024:32truefull33What Happened on January 6th?What Happened on January 6th?In today's polarized political climate, finding common ground can feel like an insurmountable task. Yet, in our almost 40 years of friendship, we've learned that it's the tough conversations, the ones we might be a little hesitant to have, that often bring us closer together. As we sat down to discuss the events of January 6th, 2021, we realized just how much the divide between conservative and liberal media shapes our understanding of the world—and how essential it is to bridge that gap with empathy and curiosity.

Our dialogue won't erase the divisions, but it's a step towards understanding—one conversation at a time. Let's keep talking. Let's keep listening. That's the only way forward.

00:00 Introduction

01:49 Navigating Political Differences

06:01 Reflecting on January 6th: Democrat vs Republican

10:19 Media's Role in Shaping Perceptions

19:05 Conclusion: Would You Rather?

]]>In today's polarized political climate, finding common ground can feel like an insurmountable task. Yet, in our almost 40 years of friendship, we've learned that it's the tough conversations, the ones we might be a little hesitant to have, that often bring us closer together. As we sat down to discuss the events of January 6th, 2021, we realized just how much the divide between conservative and liberal media shapes our understanding of the world—and how essential it is to bridge that gap with empathy and curiosity.

Our dialogue won't erase the divisions, but it's a step towards understanding—one conversation at a time. Let's keep talking. Let's keep listening. That's the only way forward.

00:00 Introduction

01:49 Navigating Political Differences

06:01 Reflecting on January 6th: Democrat vs Republican

10:19 Media's Role in Shaping Perceptions

19:05 Conclusion: Would You Rather?

]]>3e9f28dc-0e70-445f-87d0-0e9e8d769971Fri, 28 Feb 2025 03:00:00 -040021:16truefull22Democrat vs Republican: Reaction to Trump's Re-ElectionDemocrat vs Republican: Reaction to Trump's Re-ElectionIn this episode, I share the story of my extraordinary almost 40-year friendship with Jolene, two women who found themselves on opposite sides of the political spectrum during Trump's re-election in 2024. I open up about my journey as a Democrat, while my dear friend Jolene brings her Republican perspective to our conversation, showing how we've managed to maintain respect and understanding during one of America's most polarizing moments.

I take you through my raw emotional journey - from my initial frustration on election night to my eventual realization that this was a call to action for Democrats like me. Meanwhile, Jolene shares her pragmatic approach to voting Republican, leading us into deeper discussions about Trump's popular vote win and America's clear desire for change. 

Through our conversation, we demonstrate how maintaining genuine friendships across political divides isn't just possible - it's essential in our increasingly polarized nation. This isn't just our story; it's a blueprint for having those difficult but necessary conversations in today's divided America.

00:00 Introduction

04:52 Having conversations about American politics with respect

07:05 How to discuss differing political views

14:19 Trump re-election reflections and a surprise win

22:47 Local Politics and Personal Choices

]]>In this episode, I share the story of my extraordinary almost 40-year friendship with Jolene, two women who found themselves on opposite sides of the political spectrum during Trump's re-election in 2024. I open up about my journey as a Democrat, while my dear friend Jolene brings her Republican perspective to our conversation, showing how we've managed to maintain respect and understanding during one of America's most polarizing moments.

I take you through my raw emotional journey - from my initial frustration on election night to my eventual realization that this was a call to action for Democrats like me. Meanwhile, Jolene shares her pragmatic approach to voting Republican, leading us into deeper discussions about Trump's popular vote win and America's clear desire for change. 

Through our conversation, we demonstrate how maintaining genuine friendships across political divides isn't just possible - it's essential in our increasingly polarized nation. This isn't just our story; it's a blueprint for having those difficult but necessary conversations in today's divided America.

00:00 Introduction

04:52 Having conversations about American politics with respect

07:05 How to discuss differing political views

14:19 Trump re-election reflections and a surprise win

22:47 Local Politics and Personal Choices

]]>7eecd280-369b-487f-b173-2c81a59d4c23Wed, 26 Feb 2025 03:00:00 -040025:50truefull11Welcome to We've Got To TalkWelcome to We've Got To TalkOur story begins in the halls of the University of Iowa, go Hawks! It was there that two seemingly different paths intersected and a friendship blossomed. Despite our different upbringings—Jolene in little Pleasantville, Iowa, and me, Nicole, just across the Golden Gate Bridge in the bustling Bay Area—we became fast friends. And here we are, almost 40 years later, living in a world that often seems intent on drawing lines in the sand and choosing sides.

So why "We've Got To Talk"? Because we truly believe that in this deeply divided society, the power of conversation can unite us. Our goal isn't to change each other's opinions, but to listen with curiosity, kindness, and empathy. And yes, to have a good time while doing it!


So who are we?

Jolene —I married a hot college football coach, raised three beautiful daughters, and we have lived all over the United States. I was raised Methodist, but converted to Catholicism. I'm a conservative Christian Republican, navigating the complexities of modern America.


Nicole - After college, I moved to New York City and became a film/theatre/vo actor. In my early 40’s, I married an incredible man and became a stepmom to his wonderful son. With a Jewish dad and a Christian mom, I consider myself a California cultural mutt. I'm a proud liberal Democrat. 



So why should you tune in? If you're as intrigued as we hope, it's because this podcast is a welcoming space for diverse opinions and thoughtful discussions. We're diving headfirst into those hot-button topics that dominate today's headlines—political issues, social dilemmas, and ever-evolving events. Our goal is to share our genuine compassion and understanding, offering you insights into perspectives you might not encounter every day.


The only rule? Kindness. There's no hate allowed in our little corner of the audio world. 


We invite you to join us on this journey and bring your friends along. We might not have all the answers or any of them—but we promise honesty, empathy, and a lot of heart. We hope our conversations give you a fresh outlook or at least entertain you as you go about your day.

]]>Our story begins in the halls of the University of Iowa, go Hawks! It was there that two seemingly different paths intersected and a friendship blossomed. Despite our different upbringings—Jolene in little Pleasantville, Iowa, and me, Nicole, just across the Golden Gate Bridge in the bustling Bay Area—we became fast friends. And here we are, almost 40 years later, living in a world that often seems intent on drawing lines in the sand and choosing sides.

So why "We've Got To Talk"? Because we truly believe that in this deeply divided society, the power of conversation can unite us. Our goal isn't to change each other's opinions, but to listen with curiosity, kindness, and empathy. And yes, to have a good time while doing it!


So who are we?

Jolene —I married a hot college football coach, raised three beautiful daughters, and we have lived all over the United States. I was raised Methodist, but converted to Catholicism. I'm a conservative Christian Republican, navigating the complexities of modern America.


Nicole - After college, I moved to New York City and became a film/theatre/vo actor. In my early 40’s, I married an incredible man and became a stepmom to his wonderful son. With a Jewish dad and a Christian mom, I consider myself a California cultural mutt. I'm a proud liberal Democrat. 



So why should you tune in? If you're as intrigued as we hope, it's because this podcast is a welcoming space for diverse opinions and thoughtful discussions. We're diving headfirst into those hot-button topics that dominate today's headlines—political issues, social dilemmas, and ever-evolving events. Our goal is to share our genuine compassion and understanding, offering you insights into perspectives you might not encounter every day.


The only rule? Kindness. There's no hate allowed in our little corner of the audio world. 


We invite you to join us on this journey and bring your friends along. We might not have all the answers or any of them—but we promise honesty, empathy, and a lot of heart. We hope our conversations give you a fresh outlook or at least entertain you as you go about your day.

]]>7303821a-4d9a-4050-a817-622241bddfaeMon, 17 Feb 2025 03:00:00 -040002:45falsetrailer