<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><?xml-stylesheet href="https://feeds.captivate.fm/style.xsl" type="text/xsl"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0" xmlns:googleplay="http://www.google.com/schemas/play-podcasts/1.0" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" xmlns:podcast="https://podcastindex.org/namespace/1.0"><channel><atom:link href="https://feeds.captivate.fm/whoamireally/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><title><![CDATA[Who Am I Really?]]></title><podcast:guid>363d0763-3eec-5fb4-b8c3-88edac47cd9f</podcast:guid><lastBuildDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2026 04:15:07 +0000</lastBuildDate><generator>Captivate.fm</generator><language><![CDATA[en]]></language><copyright><![CDATA[Copyright 2026 Damon L. Davis]]></copyright><managingEditor>Damon L. Davis</managingEditor><itunes:summary><![CDATA[Adoptees telling their own stories of life in adoption, their search for their birth family, and how their reunion attempt turned out. Stories that make you laugh, cry, or simply say "wow".<br />
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This podcast has two purposes: <br />
1) To help you explore your own feelings about your adoption, accept your desire understand your own personal history, and decide for yourself whether reunification with your biological relatives is right for you. It will help you understand how others have dealt with issues related to protecting the feelings of their adopted families who may be supportive of your search, or question your motives and present challenges.  <br />
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2) For non-adoptees, this podcast will help you understand some of what is in the minds of your friends, family members, or others who are adopted. Perhaps you had questions for them but you didn’t know if you should ask.<br />
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The stories will make you smile or bring you to tears, but they’re all true as told by the people who lived them. In them, I hope you’ll find something that inspires you, validates your feelings about wanting to search, or motivates you to have the strength along your journey to learn “Who Am I Really?”]]></itunes:summary><image><url>https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg</url><title>Who Am I Really?</title><link><![CDATA[http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/episodes/]]></link></image><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><itunes:owner><itunes:name>Damon L. Davis</itunes:name></itunes:owner><itunes:author>Damon L. Davis</itunes:author><description>Adoptees telling their own stories of life in adoption, their search for their birth family, and how their reunion attempt turned out. Stories that make you laugh, cry, or simply say &quot;wow&quot;.



This podcast has two purposes: 

1) To help you explore your own feelings about your adoption, accept your desire understand your own personal history, and decide for yourself whether reunification with your biological relatives is right for you. It will help you understand how others have dealt with issues related to protecting the feelings of their adopted families who may be supportive of your search, or question your motives and present challenges.  



2) For non-adoptees, this podcast will help you understand some of what is in the minds of your friends, family members, or others who are adopted. Perhaps you had questions for them but you didn’t know if you should ask.



The stories will make you smile or bring you to tears, but they’re all true as told by the people who lived them. In them, I hope you’ll find something that inspires you, validates your feelings about wanting to search, or motivates you to have the strength along your journey to learn “Who Am I Really?”</description><link>http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/episodes/</link><atom:link href="https://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com" rel="hub"/><itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Adoptee Stories]]></itunes:subtitle><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:type>serial</itunes:type><itunes:category text="Education"><itunes:category text="Self-Improvement"/></itunes:category><itunes:category text="Health &amp; Fitness"><itunes:category text="Mental Health"/></itunes:category><itunes:category text="Society &amp; Culture"><itunes:category text="Personal Journals"/></itunes:category><itunes:new-feed-url>https://feeds.captivate.fm/whoamireally/</itunes:new-feed-url><podcast:locked>no</podcast:locked><podcast:medium>podcast</podcast:medium><podcast:txt>Damon Davis Voice &amp; Visual</podcast:txt><podcast:funding url="https://www.patreon.com/c/WAIReally">Support the show!</podcast:funding><podcast:location geo="38.99100297537026, -77.02778476985617">Silver Spring, MD</podcast:location><item><title>140 - I Wanted To Be My True Self</title><itunes:title>140 - I Wanted To Be My True Self</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Darryl, from Australia, admits he had a challenging childhood from his relationship with his adoptive father, to their family's need to move around a lot because they were so poor, and his experience learning he is a late discovery adoptee.</p><p>Darryl describes himself as a person for whom the truth is very important, so as an adult he discharged his adoption setting his personal record straight.</p><p>This is Darryl's journey.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darryl, from Australia, admits he had a challenging childhood from his relationship with his adoptive father, to their family's need to move around a lot because they were so poor, and his experience learning he is a late discovery adoptee.</p><p>Darryl describes himself as a person for whom the truth is very important, so as an adult he discharged his adoption setting his personal record straight.</p><p>This is Darryl's journey.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/140-i-wanted-to-be-my-true-self]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">bc67cd35-0b8d-47fd-8386-9b872576ae23</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2026 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/0d5805fb-c92a-484e-bd7e-28b58ec57352/140-i-wanted-to-be-my-true-self-final.mp3" length="41393827" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>45:28</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>8</itunes:season><itunes:episode>140</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>140</podcast:episode><podcast:season>8</podcast:season></item><item><title>139 -A Sense Of Peace And Calm</title><itunes:title>139 -A Sense Of Peace And Calm</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Wendy, from Minnesota, had a lot of information about her natural mother and assumed the woman would want to know her, but that wasn't the case. They corresponded once, solely for her natural mother to share clinical information, then the door closed.</p><p>Wendy said finding her paternal sister Jen, a woman she could have met years earlier at church, has been a redemptive blessing that's brought Wendy peace.</p><p>This is Wendy's journey. </p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wendy, from Minnesota, had a lot of information about her natural mother and assumed the woman would want to know her, but that wasn't the case. They corresponded once, solely for her natural mother to share clinical information, then the door closed.</p><p>Wendy said finding her paternal sister Jen, a woman she could have met years earlier at church, has been a redemptive blessing that's brought Wendy peace.</p><p>This is Wendy's journey. </p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/139-a-sense-of-peace-and-calm]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">e0be28b1-f24c-42c0-a0bf-7f62b055b8e4</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/8fb36236-479d-432b-809f-08118eb1dcbe/TFFUQ_UA0zBOPAhbcLk_4T9-.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2026 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/47a5c7a5-af30-4a84-b9e0-7f00d9d2d5df/139-a-sense-of-peace-and-calm-final-draft.mp3" length="34243318" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>38:38</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>8</itunes:season><itunes:episode>139</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>139</podcast:episode><podcast:season>8</podcast:season></item><item><title>144 – Gullah Girl</title><itunes:title>144 – Gullah Girl</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Brandi, who called me from myrtle Beach, South Carolina, is an inquisitive person adopted in to a family with a history of scholars, which is rare for a black family in the south. </p><p>DNA led Brandi to a cousin who was determined to help her figure out their biological connection and which of two men were her birth father. </p><p>Coincidentally Brandi studied the music of a uniquely east coast southern diaspora of African people, only to learn she was studying the music of her own roots.</p><p>This is Brandi's journey. </p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brandi, who called me from myrtle Beach, South Carolina, is an inquisitive person adopted in to a family with a history of scholars, which is rare for a black family in the south. </p><p>DNA led Brandi to a cousin who was determined to help her figure out their biological connection and which of two men were her birth father. </p><p>Coincidentally Brandi studied the music of a uniquely east coast southern diaspora of African people, only to learn she was studying the music of her own roots.</p><p>This is Brandi's journey. </p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/144-gullah-girl]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">f7e9bd54-86fc-4434-a4b1-e294d1130fe7</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/f9185104-4e4e-43ed-b043-1cfe42c58d34/6epDTR2u2U-QxJumgdcgCKEn.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2026 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c9df51f7-c71c-47b4-96b9-dd41117426b8/144-gullah-girl-final.mp3" length="40726724" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>28:17</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>8</itunes:season><itunes:episode>144</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>144</podcast:episode><podcast:season>8</podcast:season></item><item><title>143 - He Really Stepped Up</title><itunes:title>143 - He Really Stepped Up</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>When Susan, from Irving, Texas, found her natural mother, she learned she was conceived in transit when two young lives collided, then never saw one another again.  Her birth mother's life seemed too chaotic the women to make a deeper connection. The woman ended things abruptly when Susan didn't behave the way she wanted. </p><p>Susans's paternal connection, while a complete surprise, was filled with joy and acceptance for a father who needed to fill a void, and a daughter who craved the same. </p><p>This is Susan's journey. </p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Susan, from Irving, Texas, found her natural mother, she learned she was conceived in transit when two young lives collided, then never saw one another again.  Her birth mother's life seemed too chaotic the women to make a deeper connection. The woman ended things abruptly when Susan didn't behave the way she wanted. </p><p>Susans's paternal connection, while a complete surprise, was filled with joy and acceptance for a father who needed to fill a void, and a daughter who craved the same. </p><p>This is Susan's journey. </p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/143-he-really-stepped-up]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">5b768e84-0909-4d18-968a-9e391698febe</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2026 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/5078571a-1316-470c-96d1-30d39f29dd4e/143-he-really-stepped-up-final.mp3" length="61133592" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>42:27</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>8</itunes:season><itunes:episode>143</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>143</podcast:episode><podcast:season>8</podcast:season></item><item><title>136 – Your Absence Has Gone Through Me</title><itunes:title>136 - Your Absence Has Gone Through Me</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>To date, I’ve only interviewed a few guests who weren't adoptees, and this will be another one. Today you're going to meet Anne-Marie from Southern California who drafted an impassioned submission to be on the Who Am I Really podcast. At first I wanted to stay true to the focus of the show, sharing adoptee voices. But I quickly realized there is no place, that I know of, for natural mothers to tell their stories and Anne-Marie was trusting me with hers. </p><p>When she got pregnant in her teen years, she placed her daughter for adoption despite every fiber of her being wanting to keep her baby. When she turned 18 years old, Anne-Marie’s daughter Alex found her and they reunited. When Alex went to college she slipped out of her studies and into rehab where Anne-Marie was part of her and many other rehabbing adoptees recoveries. In the end Anne-Marie lost Alex twice, feels lucky to have known her at all, and wants every adoptee to know that we are loved. This is Anne-Marie’s journey. </p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To date, I’ve only interviewed a few guests who weren't adoptees, and this will be another one. Today you're going to meet Anne-Marie from Southern California who drafted an impassioned submission to be on the Who Am I Really podcast. At first I wanted to stay true to the focus of the show, sharing adoptee voices. But I quickly realized there is no place, that I know of, for natural mothers to tell their stories and Anne-Marie was trusting me with hers. </p><p>When she got pregnant in her teen years, she placed her daughter for adoption despite every fiber of her being wanting to keep her baby. When she turned 18 years old, Anne-Marie’s daughter Alex found her and they reunited. When Alex went to college she slipped out of her studies and into rehab where Anne-Marie was part of her and many other rehabbing adoptees recoveries. In the end Anne-Marie lost Alex twice, feels lucky to have known her at all, and wants every adoptee to know that we are loved. This is Anne-Marie’s journey. </p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/136-your-absence-has-gone-through-me]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">10933eb5-a219-4bab-a3e8-05acadadc232</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2026 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/436d01f0-098f-4514-9d03-94565f04a8de/136-your-absence-has-gone-through-me-final.mp3" length="125011142" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:26:49</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>7</itunes:season><itunes:episode>136</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>136</podcast:episode><podcast:season>7</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/4ace10be-f9a9-4a9f-9256-9e37bec56b43/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>134 – Destined To Be Unique</title><itunes:title>134 - Destined To Be Unique</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Liz, from Michigan, grew up in a neighborhood full of adoptees, so it wasn’t until years later in the Dominican Republic teaching a class with a lot of adoptees in it that her own adoption sunk in. After finding her natural mother through an intermediary they reunited during a sleepover in a hotel room where they stayed up all night. Their bond solidified when Liz’s daughter was born bringing them closer as they marveled at the next generation of their family before them. After more than a decade in reunion, Liz played an emotional farewell to her mother on her viola to say goodbye. This is Liz’s journey.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liz, from Michigan, grew up in a neighborhood full of adoptees, so it wasn’t until years later in the Dominican Republic teaching a class with a lot of adoptees in it that her own adoption sunk in. After finding her natural mother through an intermediary they reunited during a sleepover in a hotel room where they stayed up all night. Their bond solidified when Liz’s daughter was born bringing them closer as they marveled at the next generation of their family before them. After more than a decade in reunion, Liz played an emotional farewell to her mother on her viola to say goodbye. This is Liz’s journey.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/134-destined-to-be-unique]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">0cb0425e-4416-469d-b243-92b210eafc8d</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2026 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c2a0ff2d-d5c4-4f68-bf31-4e9a8cb42838/134-destined-to-be-unique-final.mp3" length="73438519" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>51:00</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>7</itunes:season><itunes:episode>134</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>134</podcast:episode><podcast:season>7</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/fbf891f6-36f6-4569-afd5-0465296e9710/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>127 – I Think I Was Afraid Of Knowing</title><itunes:title>127 - I Think I Was Afraid Of Knowing</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p><strong>Jim, who now lives in Delaware, said growing up he had no desire to search for his first family. After his parents passed and he found his adoption name change form, his feelings about a search changed. While he missed his biological mother, one of her lifelong friends shared some intimate pieces of the woman’s life, including his birth father's name. Jim made the trip to Texas to meet his birthfather, who felt re-energized in his final months by Jim’s emergence. This is Jim’s journey. </strong></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Jim, who now lives in Delaware, said growing up he had no desire to search for his first family. After his parents passed and he found his adoption name change form, his feelings about a search changed. While he missed his biological mother, one of her lifelong friends shared some intimate pieces of the woman’s life, including his birth father's name. Jim made the trip to Texas to meet his birthfather, who felt re-energized in his final months by Jim’s emergence. This is Jim’s journey. </strong></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/127-i-think-i-was-afraid-of-knowing]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">5af34d9a-f7cf-416b-8720-c1bbea0bdb4c</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2026 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/a9a186ab-a85f-4d22-9306-3282a5135fe6/127-i-think-i-was-afraid-of-knowing-final.mp3" length="66948459" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>46:29</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>6</itunes:season><itunes:episode>127</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>127</podcast:episode><podcast:season>6</podcast:season></item><item><title>141 - That Wasn&apos;t The Real Me</title><itunes:title>141 - That Wasn&apos;t The Real Me</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Gloria called me from Texas where she grew up with Mexican parents. In younger days she tried to find the ways she looked like her family. In adulthood, following the whim of some co-workers, Gloria did a DNA test naive to what it could possibly reveal. In a matter of months she was plunged into the deep end as a late discovery adoptee. She began drinking to cope, accidentally pushed away her paternal sister, but managed to hang onto her relationship with her biological mother.</p><p>This is Gloria's journey.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gloria called me from Texas where she grew up with Mexican parents. In younger days she tried to find the ways she looked like her family. In adulthood, following the whim of some co-workers, Gloria did a DNA test naive to what it could possibly reveal. In a matter of months she was plunged into the deep end as a late discovery adoptee. She began drinking to cope, accidentally pushed away her paternal sister, but managed to hang onto her relationship with her biological mother.</p><p>This is Gloria's journey.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/141-that-wasnt-the-real-me]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">8b9c27b1-9b5e-48d5-8223-20e731c6148d</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/ce30062b-363c-4a87-9cc0-252e86886552/Du0vqvHfc50l9igfv9fJUv7S.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2026 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d24bf8cb-061b-4b00-817d-93c457c5f454/141-that-wasn-t-the-real-me-final.mp3" length="81534181" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>56:37</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>8</itunes:season><itunes:episode>141</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>141</podcast:episode><podcast:season>8</podcast:season></item><item><title>125 – You Can Forgive People From Afar</title><itunes:title>You Can Forgive People From Afar</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Lisa called me from New Jersey to share her story of growing up in an abusive home. She had one unrelated adopted sister who didn’t have the same experience in their house that Lisa had. Lisa always felt like the odd person out and hoped that reunion with her birth mother would be a rescue from those feelings.The opposite was true with her maternal connection which fell apart twice, but Lisa’s paternal ties have made her feel accepted for her nature versus how she was… or wasn’t nurtured. This is Lisa’s journey</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa called me from New Jersey to share her story of growing up in an abusive home. She had one unrelated adopted sister who didn’t have the same experience in their house that Lisa had. Lisa always felt like the odd person out and hoped that reunion with her birth mother would be a rescue from those feelings.The opposite was true with her maternal connection which fell apart twice, but Lisa’s paternal ties have made her feel accepted for her nature versus how she was… or wasn’t nurtured. This is Lisa’s journey</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/you-can-forgive-people-from-afar]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">5ed87bd0-0e55-41e2-a833-0d22bd19ef6e</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2026 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/22dbbc14-029c-48a7-8d66-3e7f092a8457/125-you-can-forgive-people-from-afar-final.mp3" length="71975882" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>49:59</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>6</itunes:season><itunes:episode>125</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>125</podcast:episode><podcast:season>6</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/ecbcb325-0a21-4c5c-bbfc-40abcd677098/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>102 – It’s Always Maybe</title><itunes:title>102 – It’s Always Maybe</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Breanna learned that she was fostered then adopted but for financial gain and she described her home as a hostile environment. Her adopted mother was abusive, and Breanna ultimately ran away from home to the military. But before bootcamp she contacted her birth mother, and learned the hard truth about her conception. In reunion, she was forced to watch her birth father’s judgment for his actions.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/102-its-always-maybe/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">102 – It’s Always Maybe</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Breanna (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=5.77" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:05</a>):</p><p>She feels really guilty and I think that's why she doesn't want me to hate her. She thinks that I should hate her and I don't hate her. It does make me angry now that like you're wasting time. We could be like, we could be going forward, but like I don't hate you for giving me up like I really don't hate her.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=32.79" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:32</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=53.65" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:53</a>):</p><p>I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Breanna who called me from Jacksonville, North Carolina. Breanna learned that she was fostered then adopted but for financial gain. Her adopted mother was abusive and Breanna ultimately ran away from home to the military, but before bootcamp she contacted her birth mother and learned the hard truth about her conception in reunion. She was forced to watch her birth father's judgment for his actions. This is Breanna's journey. The weekend I spoke to Breanna. She was teaching her six year old daughter to ride her bicycle. When she spoke of her parents, she said they never really talked about adoption, but she remembers a time when she was six years old at church when her status as an adoptee stood out in her mind.</p><p>Breanna (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=101.62" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:41</a>):</p><p>When we joined the church, they introduced themselves and they said, we adopted four kids and we have two of our own. So they didn't talk about it and they didn't really want to talk about it. My dad was more like, Oh, we're your parents we raised you and are the ones who who've taken care of you, you know? So we left it alone. It wasn't like a topic.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=122.88" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:02</a>):</p><p>Breanna's siblings who were biological to her parents were many years older than the adoptees in their home. You heard Breanna say she has four adopted siblings. Breanna is in the middle of the adoptees. They were all foster children. First adoptees who didn't know their own stories. Her parents had adoption folders for every child, which Breanna found in their garage. They had pictures and photo books for every child. She learned that some of her adopted siblings were children of drug addicted parents. Breanna located everyone's folder except her own, which was frustrating. She talks a bit about why her parents fostered them. First</p><p>Breanna (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=163.03" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:43</a>):</p><p>they said that they adopted us because they needed money and there was money to foster care and they got paid for us and then they were offered more money if they adopted us. So they actually got paid up until we were, we graduated from high school. So originally that's why they went into foster care. They, so I don't, I guess eventually it wasn't like a need.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=188.32" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:08</a>):</p><p>So did you, could you feel that need like were, how were they as parents? I guess what I'm asking is when I think of parents who choose to foster out of financial need, I have a, I'll admit I have a little bit of a negative feeling in my gut about that. Tell me about your home in terms of this particular stereotype that I have.</p><p>Breanna (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=214.57" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:34</a>):</p><p>I say like the home was really a hostile place to be. Like I avoided my, my house. And I think like now that I'm older, I know that my dad of what at the house because of like my mom, I think I'm pretty sure she struggled with mental illness, but like my dad, I told you like he always lived away. He always worked away. Like he only came to visit us on the weekends and like he would tell us like once we got like to teenagers, we'd be like, why can't, like, why won't you like divorce her? Or why won't you like, let us move in with you? Or something. He was like, you know, this could be like, you guys could be worse off if you were with like your biological families or if you were somewhere else. Like it could be worse, you know? And he kind of left it at that and he was really like soft spoken. Like he didn't say very much. So I can't say like, he was horrible, but my mom, like, she did really horrible things to us and would say things to us. So, no, I can't say my childhood was great and, um, at all. And I was a very depressed child. Um, now that I'm older, I can realize, I realized that</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=283.55" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:43</a>):</p><p>Breanna describes herself as a quiet keep to herself kind of child, so people may not have recognized her depression. She's a writer and a poet, not really much for talking. Her siblings were more boisterous, outspoken, throwing tantrums and that kind of thing. Breanna describes herself as a people pleaser who earned straight A's in school.</p><p>Breanna (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=304.66" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:04</a>):</p><p>Like I tried to do everything perfect and like I was a helper to like, to like avoid, um, um, like we never knew how she was going to be, like when we walked in the house, you know, like from school, like how was, how was she going to be today? I, and she would tell us like, if it wasn't for my medication, you know, so like you could tell like they didn't, I don't think they adopted because they wanted us, you know, I do think, I'm pretty sure. I know that they love us. Um, like they, they, they, I, my dad loved us. I know and I'm pretty sure my mom loved us, but I think because whatever it is going on with her mentally like something was wrong, you know?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=347.46" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:47</a>):</p><p>Interesting. Did you say something? Tell me what you were about to say with regard to her saying you can tell when I'm not on my meds or something like that. What was that?</p><p>Breanna (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=360.37" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:00</a>):</p><p>My mom was really abusive so I don't, I don't think I should get into the abuse that she would do, but like she would do stuff and then she would be like, if it wasn't for my medication, like you guys would probably be dead type of thing. You know? Like if it wasn't for my medication,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=376.76" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:16</a>):</p><p>Breanna's adopted father stayed away from their home a lot, working in other cities, coming home on weekends to visit, but never staying in that environment. He died when she was 16 years old. She said she remembers her mom having a boyfriend a short time thereafter. I asked Breanna when she got the urge to search.</p><p>Breanna (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=397.07" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:37</a>):</p><p>I'm pretty sure I had this feeling since I was a little kid, but I always felt that my mom would come back from me or she...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Breanna learned that she was fostered then adopted but for financial gain and she described her home as a hostile environment. Her adopted mother was abusive, and Breanna ultimately ran away from home to the military. But before bootcamp she contacted her birth mother, and learned the hard truth about her conception. In reunion, she was forced to watch her birth father’s judgment for his actions.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/102-its-always-maybe/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">102 – It’s Always Maybe</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Breanna (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=5.77" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:05</a>):</p><p>She feels really guilty and I think that's why she doesn't want me to hate her. She thinks that I should hate her and I don't hate her. It does make me angry now that like you're wasting time. We could be like, we could be going forward, but like I don't hate you for giving me up like I really don't hate her.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=32.79" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:32</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=53.65" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:53</a>):</p><p>I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Breanna who called me from Jacksonville, North Carolina. Breanna learned that she was fostered then adopted but for financial gain. Her adopted mother was abusive and Breanna ultimately ran away from home to the military, but before bootcamp she contacted her birth mother and learned the hard truth about her conception in reunion. She was forced to watch her birth father's judgment for his actions. This is Breanna's journey. The weekend I spoke to Breanna. She was teaching her six year old daughter to ride her bicycle. When she spoke of her parents, she said they never really talked about adoption, but she remembers a time when she was six years old at church when her status as an adoptee stood out in her mind.</p><p>Breanna (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=101.62" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:41</a>):</p><p>When we joined the church, they introduced themselves and they said, we adopted four kids and we have two of our own. So they didn't talk about it and they didn't really want to talk about it. My dad was more like, Oh, we're your parents we raised you and are the ones who who've taken care of you, you know? So we left it alone. It wasn't like a topic.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=122.88" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:02</a>):</p><p>Breanna's siblings who were biological to her parents were many years older than the adoptees in their home. You heard Breanna say she has four adopted siblings. Breanna is in the middle of the adoptees. They were all foster children. First adoptees who didn't know their own stories. Her parents had adoption folders for every child, which Breanna found in their garage. They had pictures and photo books for every child. She learned that some of her adopted siblings were children of drug addicted parents. Breanna located everyone's folder except her own, which was frustrating. She talks a bit about why her parents fostered them. First</p><p>Breanna (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=163.03" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:43</a>):</p><p>they said that they adopted us because they needed money and there was money to foster care and they got paid for us and then they were offered more money if they adopted us. So they actually got paid up until we were, we graduated from high school. So originally that's why they went into foster care. They, so I don't, I guess eventually it wasn't like a need.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=188.32" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:08</a>):</p><p>So did you, could you feel that need like were, how were they as parents? I guess what I'm asking is when I think of parents who choose to foster out of financial need, I have a, I'll admit I have a little bit of a negative feeling in my gut about that. Tell me about your home in terms of this particular stereotype that I have.</p><p>Breanna (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=214.57" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:34</a>):</p><p>I say like the home was really a hostile place to be. Like I avoided my, my house. And I think like now that I'm older, I know that my dad of what at the house because of like my mom, I think I'm pretty sure she struggled with mental illness, but like my dad, I told you like he always lived away. He always worked away. Like he only came to visit us on the weekends and like he would tell us like once we got like to teenagers, we'd be like, why can't, like, why won't you like divorce her? Or why won't you like, let us move in with you? Or something. He was like, you know, this could be like, you guys could be worse off if you were with like your biological families or if you were somewhere else. Like it could be worse, you know? And he kind of left it at that and he was really like soft spoken. Like he didn't say very much. So I can't say like, he was horrible, but my mom, like, she did really horrible things to us and would say things to us. So, no, I can't say my childhood was great and, um, at all. And I was a very depressed child. Um, now that I'm older, I can realize, I realized that</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=283.55" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:43</a>):</p><p>Breanna describes herself as a quiet keep to herself kind of child, so people may not have recognized her depression. She's a writer and a poet, not really much for talking. Her siblings were more boisterous, outspoken, throwing tantrums and that kind of thing. Breanna describes herself as a people pleaser who earned straight A's in school.</p><p>Breanna (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=304.66" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:04</a>):</p><p>Like I tried to do everything perfect and like I was a helper to like, to like avoid, um, um, like we never knew how she was going to be, like when we walked in the house, you know, like from school, like how was, how was she going to be today? I, and she would tell us like, if it wasn't for my medication, you know, so like you could tell like they didn't, I don't think they adopted because they wanted us, you know, I do think, I'm pretty sure. I know that they love us. Um, like they, they, they, I, my dad loved us. I know and I'm pretty sure my mom loved us, but I think because whatever it is going on with her mentally like something was wrong, you know?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=347.46" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:47</a>):</p><p>Interesting. Did you say something? Tell me what you were about to say with regard to her saying you can tell when I'm not on my meds or something like that. What was that?</p><p>Breanna (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=360.37" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:00</a>):</p><p>My mom was really abusive so I don't, I don't think I should get into the abuse that she would do, but like she would do stuff and then she would be like, if it wasn't for my medication, like you guys would probably be dead type of thing. You know? Like if it wasn't for my medication,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=376.76" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:16</a>):</p><p>Breanna's adopted father stayed away from their home a lot, working in other cities, coming home on weekends to visit, but never staying in that environment. He died when she was 16 years old. She said she remembers her mom having a boyfriend a short time thereafter. I asked Breanna when she got the urge to search.</p><p>Breanna (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=397.07" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:37</a>):</p><p>I'm pretty sure I had this feeling since I was a little kid, but I always felt that my mom would come back from me or she would come find me. So I never actually thought of looking for her. But my senior year I actually I ran away. I left and I moved in with um, leaders, um, through being wife. I met through young life and I let me live with them and I was leaving for Marine Corps boot camp and they were like, Oh, it'd be so cool if you actually like look for your biological mom right before you left. I was like, Oh, okay.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=428.23" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:08</a>):</p><p>So in September, 2010 at 19 years old, she contacted the adoption agency who committed to send her redacted non identifying information. A week later her information arrived, 50 pages worth of info. Everything was redacted except on one page. The woman's last name was still visible. On another the college she attended was visible too. She also found the city, her birth mother was moving to after Breanna's birth, Breanna went online to Facebook and searched for women with that first and last name combination with an association with the same college.</p><p>Breanna (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=465" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:45</a>):</p><p>And I scrolled through all those people and I found her through Facebook because all her first name is Nicole in my middle with Nicole and she looks exactly like me. So I contacted her and I was like, hi, I think, I think you're my mom. And like I would do anything to get to know her, get to know my birth mom. And your first name was Nicole and my middle name is Nicole. So like what a coincidence. I'm like two hours later she liked message me back and was like I believe I am your birth mom. So like yeah that was September, 2010</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=499.6" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:19</a>):</p><p>so you were so bold as to just straight up messenger and be like bam, this is me. What's up?</p><p>Breanna (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=504.67" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:24</a>):</p><p>Oh my gosh, yes.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=507.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:27</a>):</p><p>That's amazing.</p><p>Breanna (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=508.06" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:28</a>):</p><p>I was supposed to wait to wait cause the family I live with, they were like we'll just wait till we get home. Cause I was like, I think I found her. She was like, wait till we get home. And I was like, I can't wait, bye. I did. I just couldn't wait cause I was like, she looks just like me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=524.01" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:44</a>):</p><p>The women exchanged lots of messages. Breanna's birth mother shared that she made a Facebook page because she wanted to be found. Breanna told me that her adopted parents, every one of her adopted siblings names Breanna assumed her name had been changed to. Her birth mother let her know that she grew up with the name she was given at birth and she was named after her birth mother because Breanna's middle name, Nicole is her birth mother's first name. The women emailed back and forth for awhile and her birth mother told her everything</p><p>Breanna (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=558.05" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:18</a>):</p><p>like she was originally supposed to. She was originally supposed to keep me but her mom. She hid the pregnancy um, the whole entire entire time. Her sister is the only one that do it. She was supposed to graduate and move in with her sister and keep me, but her mom found out I was born on her graduation day or her mom found out and her mom was like, no, you need to like, you need to give her up. So like I guess they got into it and she ended up following through with the adoption.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=592.77" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:52</a>):</p><p>Wait, so just to go back for a second, you said you were born on your birth mother's graduation day?</p><p>Breanna (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=600.32" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:00</a>):</p><p>Yes.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=602.19" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:02</a>):</p><p>And the pregnancy had been kept a secret up until that point?</p><p>Breanna (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=606.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:06</a>):</p><p>Yes. Her sister is the only one that knew.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=608.94" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:08</a>):</p><p>How did she do that? Do you know? Cause I mean as you're going through your senior year, you know, you're, your mom is after you for prom for this, for that. You're like, there's no way to escape your parents. How did you do that?</p><p>Breanna (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=623.8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:23</a>):</p><p>I've, I have no idea. She lived with her mom. But, um, she said she wore big clothes and she just, I guess like tried to avoid her, but they were, they were definitely like that year she said it was definitely like a lot of fighting happening between them. So, um, I'm not sure how she got away with that,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=647.39" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:47</a>):</p><p>but can you imagine what that must've been like for her to, I either try to go to graduation and can't or go to graduation and then go directly to the hospital. I mean, that must have been surreal.</p><p>Breanna (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=658.54" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:58</a>):</p><p>Yeah. Nope, she couldn't. Yeah, she didn't even make it,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=661.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:01</a>):</p><p>she didn't make it to graduation.</p><p>Breanna (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=664.18" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:04</a>):</p><p>No, she didn't.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=665.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:05</a>):</p><p>Breanna thought it was pretty cool that she was born on her mother's graduation day. Her birth mother said she almost made it to her goal of graduating and moving in with her sister,</p><p>Breanna (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=676.47" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:16</a>):</p><p>but she made it to graduation day and then like, her mom still made her give me up. So I think that's a little defeating. I say.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=685.72" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:25</a>):</p><p>Yeah, that's a sensitive spot. Yeah. I could imagine.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=688.72" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:28</a>):</p><p>Breanna told me she was getting a lot of information from her birth mother. So I asked if she learned about the circumstances for her conception. Unfortunately this is what she learned.</p><p>Breanna (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gCp8NHpfktv-TCqezrN49J0XPmPNu5uQpHktXXL3X8r7Hv5gqtD5g3Pyx2Hyyy-uJhUuyBeP92u6J6BRHgRL3vzwlEs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=699.9"...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/102-its-always-maybe]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2571</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2026 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/0a8d1a91-2d17-43d6-83f6-c553845d11e5/102-its-always-maybe-final.mp3" length="53350142" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>37:03</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>5</itunes:season><itunes:episode>102</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>102</podcast:episode><podcast:season>5</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Breanna learned that she was fostered then adopted but for financial gain and she described her home as a hostile environment. Her adopted mother was abusive, and Breanna ultimately ran away from home to the military. But before bootcamp she contacted her birth mother, and learned the hard truth about her conception. In reunion, she was forced to watch…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>101 – This Is About Everybody</title><itunes:title>101 – This Is About Everybody</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In Debby’s home adoption was an open topic because she was fostered by her grandparents and adopted by their daughter. Unfortunately, she wasn’t welcome as an adoptee by her adopted father and she and her family faced abuse by her stepfather. In reunion Debby found out her birth parents tried to stay together and she has full blood siblings. But her biological father has tried to deny she is his, even though she and the rest of the family know their truth.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Debby’s home adoption was an open topic because she was fostered by her grandparents and adopted by their daughter. Unfortunately, she wasn’t welcome as an adoptee by her adopted father and she and her family faced abuse by her stepfather. In reunion Debby found out her birth parents tried to stay together and she has full blood siblings. But her biological father has tried to deny she is his, even though she and the rest of the family know their truth.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/101-this-is-about-everybody]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2565</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/47c47a33-6b3e-4f8d-b2e1-cc42db744acb/m9AkGVJTHQ0RsNyeXi3Uxd_p.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2026 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d82110b3-743f-48af-9e52-cd3aa91772d2/101-this-is-about-everybody-final.mp3" length="72297492" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>50:12</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>5</itunes:season><itunes:episode>101</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>101</podcast:episode><podcast:season>5</podcast:season><itunes:summary>In Debby’s home adoption was an open topic because she was fostered by her grandparents and adopted by their daughter. Unfortunately, she wasn’t welcome as an adoptee by her adopted father and she and her family faced abuse by her stepfather. In reunion Debby found out her birth parents tried to stay together and she has full blood siblings. But…</itunes:summary><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/a7d3562e-17f2-42ea-9f56-687d9d22442e/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>279 - An Accident of Birth</title><itunes:title>279 - An Accident of Birth</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Alex, whom I spoke with live in Los Angeles, California, said growing up, he could never quite pinpoint the out-of-place feeling he carried in his adopted life. When his children began asking about family medical history, an incredibly lucky mistake with 23andMe DNA testing kits led Alex to his full-blood brothers.</p><p>Alex and his brothers agree that the timing of their reunion was fortuitous for everyone. Their mother was not forced to face the pain of the past, and his brothers were able to bond without being inhibited by anyone else’s feelings.</p><p>This is Alex’s journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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When his children began asking about family medical history, an incredibly lucky mistake with 23andMe DNA testing kits led Alex to his full-blood brothers.</p><p>Alex and his brothers agree that the timing of their reunion was fortuitous for everyone. Their mother was not forced to face the pain of the past, and his brothers were able to bond without being inhibited by anyone else’s feelings.</p><p>This is Alex’s journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Through DNA testing, she uncovered both maternal and paternal connections, each marked by different levels of openness and receptivity that evolved and, in some cases, completely flipped.</p><p>Ultimately, Mikayla earned the trust of her birth mother and met her face to face during a busy post-COVID period, amid an early pregnancy and wedding bells for someone special in her life.</p><p>This is MiKayla’s journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Through DNA testing, she uncovered both maternal and paternal connections, each marked by different levels of openness and receptivity that evolved and, in some cases, completely flipped.</p><p>Ultimately, Mikayla earned the trust of her birth mother and met her face to face during a busy post-COVID period, amid an early pregnancy and wedding bells for someone special in her life.</p><p>This is MiKayla’s journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Transracially adopted, Abby was brought into a family that believed in racial harmony but didn’t support her ethnic expression as a teen. She became a first mother and was misled about the choices she made when placing her son. She has endured the ups and downs of adoption reunion with her firstborn and her own biological family.</p><p>Today, Dr. Abby is a therapist supporting people across the adoption constellation through her practice.</p><p>This is Abby’s journey.</p><p><a href="https://dearabbycounseling.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Dear Abby Counseling</a></p><p><a href="https://adoptingprivilege.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Adopting Privilege</a></p><p>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/d.e.a.r._abby" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">d.e.a.r._abby</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Transracially adopted, Abby was brought into a family that believed in racial harmony but didn’t support her ethnic expression as a teen. She became a first mother and was misled about the choices she made when placing her son. She has endured the ups and downs of adoption reunion with her firstborn and her own biological family.</p><p>Today, Dr. Abby is a therapist supporting people across the adoption constellation through her practice.</p><p>This is Abby’s journey.</p><p><a href="https://dearabbycounseling.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Dear Abby Counseling</a></p><p><a href="https://adoptingprivilege.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Adopting Privilege</a></p><p>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/d.e.a.r._abby" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">d.e.a.r._abby</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ol><li data-list="bullet"><span class="ql-ui" contenteditable="false"></span><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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They loved her deeply, making her feel safe she feels loyalty towards them. But adoption reunion, found Alejandra twice. Her maternal side had searched for decades to find her. Her paternal aunt found her then introduced her to her half-Brother. Alejandra has special gifts that made her super fast, overwhelming maternal reunion, a challenging adventure. </p><p>This is Alejandra's journey.</p><p><a href="https://a.co/d/fTsA284" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">I Just Can't Make This Sh!t Up</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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They loved her deeply, making her feel safe she feels loyalty towards them. But adoption reunion, found Alejandra twice. Her maternal side had searched for decades to find her. Her paternal aunt found her then introduced her to her half-Brother. Alejandra has special gifts that made her super fast, overwhelming maternal reunion, a challenging adventure. </p><p>This is Alejandra's journey.</p><p><a href="https://a.co/d/fTsA284" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">I Just Can't Make This Sh!t Up</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/276-]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">3f0f781b-f383-4517-9763-bd4a170d2586</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/episodes.captivate.fm/episode/3f0f781b-f383-4517-9763-bd4a170d2586.mp3" length="69164404" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:12:03</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>17</itunes:season><itunes:episode>276</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>276</podcast:episode><podcast:season>17</podcast:season></item><item><title>275 - That&apos;s The Girl Barbara Got</title><itunes:title>275 - That&apos;s The Girl Barbara Got</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Yvette, from Memphis, TN, shared that In her childhood no one would say the word "adopted",. After a tense moment in the neighborhood and a series of events, Yvette figured out the truth. In reunion, Yvette learned she was placed for adoption at an odd place in the birth order of her siblings, corroborating an unsettling suspicion she had about her parents' relationship. However, she has also met some wonderful birth family members, one of whom she said is the best thing that has ever happened to her. </p><p>This is Yvette's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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After a tense moment in the neighborhood and a series of events, Yvette figured out the truth. In reunion, Yvette learned she was placed for adoption at an odd place in the birth order of her siblings, corroborating an unsettling suspicion she had about her parents' relationship. However, she has also met some wonderful birth family members, one of whom she said is the best thing that has ever happened to her. </p><p>This is Yvette's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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When she found her birth mother, she met a woman who started off chilly but warmed up when Lauren got to meet her parents, and Lauren learned that mother and daughter have something in common. Her birth father found her too, after Lauren sent a letter, but in the end she's not connected to either side of her birth families, choosing to let things be as they are.</p><p>This is Lauren's journey.</p><p><a href="https://www.womenofacertainstage.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Women Of A Certain Stage</strong></a><strong>, </strong><a href="https://www.instagram.com/themenopausecoach/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Instagram</strong></a><strong>, </strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenchiren/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>, </strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@womenofacertainstage" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>YouTube</strong></a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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When she found her birth mother, she met a woman who started off chilly but warmed up when Lauren got to meet her parents, and Lauren learned that mother and daughter have something in common. Her birth father found her too, after Lauren sent a letter, but in the end she's not connected to either side of her birth families, choosing to let things be as they are.</p><p>This is Lauren's journey.</p><p><a href="https://www.womenofacertainstage.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Women Of A Certain Stage</strong></a><strong>, </strong><a href="https://www.instagram.com/themenopausecoach/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Instagram</strong></a><strong>, </strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenchiren/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>, </strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@womenofacertainstage" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>YouTube</strong></a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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As a teenager, Nicole struggled with her adoption, so after reaching out for help, her birth mother was found, but that caused challenges with her adoptive parents. Soon after, Nicole’s birth father was found and proudly showcased, but she admits she wasn’t ready for that paternal relationship and wishes now that she had invested more in it back then.</p><p>Nicole also shared her feelings about how adopted people invest in parenting our own children.</p><p>This is Nicole’s journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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As a teenager, Nicole struggled with her adoption, so after reaching out for help, her birth mother was found, but that caused challenges with her adoptive parents. Soon after, Nicole’s birth father was found and proudly showcased, but she admits she wasn’t ready for that paternal relationship and wishes now that she had invested more in it back then.</p><p>Nicole also shared her feelings about how adopted people invest in parenting our own children.</p><p>This is Nicole’s journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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He’s one of the few people who found reunion through a registry, meeting his birth mother just in time to form a bond, then inheriting the true documentation of her past, more valuable than anything the courts could provide.</p><p>Greg still holds out hope that his birth father will warm up more quickly to get to know him one day. Until then... </p><p>...this is Greg's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, from Minneapolis, Minnesota, said when his son was born, he thought he could stroll into the D.C. adoption system to ask for his adoption records, but he learned there were significant barriers to access. He’s one of the few people who found reunion through a registry, meeting his birth mother just in time to form a bond, then inheriting the true documentation of her past, more valuable than anything the courts could provide.</p><p>Greg still holds out hope that his birth father will warm up more quickly to get to know him one day. Until then... </p><p>...this is Greg's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/272-]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">96b78112-ca81-44a0-8b3b-2b4ff7090b2b</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/episodes.captivate.fm/episode/96b78112-ca81-44a0-8b3b-2b4ff7090b2b.mp3" length="46235171" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>48:10</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>17</itunes:season><itunes:episode>272</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>272</podcast:episode><podcast:season>17</podcast:season></item><item><title>271 - The Blessing of Hardship is Perspective</title><itunes:title>271 - The Blessing of Hardship is Perspective</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Christy, who called me from Utah,  was deeply loved by her adoptive parents, who prayed she would be delivered to them. But throughout childhood, she was unable to shake the feeling of being abandoned. In reunion, Christy heard the hard truth of her conception, self-medicated to escape her feelings, then recovered to center herself in motherhood. Christy shared the importance of telling our stories, as another adoptee and journey mate did for her. </p><p>This is Christy's journey.</p><p>New Book! <a href="https://InsidetheAdopteeExperience" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inside the Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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But throughout childhood, she was unable to shake the feeling of being abandoned. In reunion, Christy heard the hard truth of her conception, self-medicated to escape her feelings, then recovered to center herself in motherhood. Christy shared the importance of telling our stories, as another adoptee and journey mate did for her. </p><p>This is Christy's journey.</p><p>New Book! <a href="https://InsidetheAdopteeExperience" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inside the Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/271-]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">83c4538b-5a85-46ec-a11c-ebe80b566259</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/episodes.captivate.fm/episode/83c4538b-5a85-46ec-a11c-ebe80b566259.mp3" length="73752779" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:16:50</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>17</itunes:season><itunes:episode>271</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>271</podcast:episode><podcast:season>17</podcast:season></item><item><title>270 - Glimmers of Light The Little Girl In Me Needs</title><itunes:title>270 - Glimmers of Light The Little Girl In Me Needs</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Neshia, from outside of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, said her birth mother lived the street life and exposed her children to the full dark side of the choices she was making back then. Neshia credits one amazing foster family with showing her what a normal life as a child should be, but it was short-lived. Transplanted from the city into a rural transracial adoption, she was cast out as a teen, and trauma cycles repeated themselves. But today, Neshia is doing her best to be a mom to her own children, focusing on the glimmers of hope in her life. </p><p>This is Neshia's journey.</p><p>New Book! <a href="https://insidetheadopteeexperience/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inside the Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neshia, from outside of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, said her birth mother lived the street life and exposed her children to the full dark side of the choices she was making back then. Neshia credits one amazing foster family with showing her what a normal life as a child should be, but it was short-lived. Transplanted from the city into a rural transracial adoption, she was cast out as a teen, and trauma cycles repeated themselves. But today, Neshia is doing her best to be a mom to her own children, focusing on the glimmers of hope in her life. </p><p>This is Neshia's journey.</p><p>New Book! <a href="https://insidetheadopteeexperience/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inside the Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/269-]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">793f990a-0143-41de-aa78-1e51c8169802</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/episodes.captivate.fm/episode/793f990a-0143-41de-aa78-1e51c8169802.mp3" length="90057791" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:33:49</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>17</itunes:season><itunes:episode>270</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>270</podcast:episode><podcast:season>17</podcast:season></item><item><title>269 - It&apos;s Amazing How It All Fell Into Place</title><itunes:title>269 - It&apos;s Amazing How It All Fell Into Place</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Today is a special double adoptee episode with Noreen and Adrian. They both live in Massachusetts, but they were together in New Hampshire to meet someone special in Noreen's search. Her adoptive mother was very supportive and even spoke with her first mother.</p><p>For Adrian, the maternal search has had its ups and downs, including finding a grave, but their stories ended up converging when they found each other through DNA, developed an instant bond, and have since supported each other through a shared paternal search. </p><p>These are the individual and convergent journeys of Noreen and Adrian.</p><p>New Book! <a href="https://insidetheadopteeexperience/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inside the Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today is a special double adoptee episode with Noreen and Adrian. They both live in Massachusetts, but they were together in New Hampshire to meet someone special in Noreen's search. Her adoptive mother was very supportive and even spoke with her first mother.</p><p>For Adrian, the maternal search has had its ups and downs, including finding a grave, but their stories ended up converging when they found each other through DNA, developed an instant bond, and have since supported each other through a shared paternal search. </p><p>These are the individual and convergent journeys of Noreen and Adrian.</p><p>New Book! <a href="https://insidetheadopteeexperience/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inside the Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/267-]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">68448112-3412-4123-a9ae-10b20b57f06c</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/episodes.captivate.fm/episode/68448112-3412-4123-a9ae-10b20b57f06c.mp3" length="54776148" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>57:03</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>17</itunes:season><itunes:episode>268</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>268</podcast:episode><podcast:season>17</podcast:season></item><item><title>268 - I&apos;ve Gained Peace With Every Piece</title><itunes:title>268 - I&apos;ve Gained Peace With Every Piece</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Lori, from Missouri, said that growing up she wondered who her birth mother was, but it wasn’t until she received her original birth certificate that the gravity of her identity truly hit home.</p><p>Incredibly, documenting her search on social media led her to a very supportive search angel who already knew exactly who Lori was looking for.</p><p>She tried to correspond with her birth mother, but Lori was blocked and rejected, leaving her with only hope for the future. Still, Lori said finding each piece has given her peace.</p><p>This is Lori’s journey.</p><p>New Book! <a href="https://insidetheadopteeexperience/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inside the Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lori, from Missouri, said that growing up she wondered who her birth mother was, but it wasn’t until she received her original birth certificate that the gravity of her identity truly hit home.</p><p>Incredibly, documenting her search on social media led her to a very supportive search angel who already knew exactly who Lori was looking for.</p><p>She tried to correspond with her birth mother, but Lori was blocked and rejected, leaving her with only hope for the future. Still, Lori said finding each piece has given her peace.</p><p>This is Lori’s journey.</p><p>New Book! <a href="https://insidetheadopteeexperience/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inside the Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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But in truth, she knows she was suppressing that feeling. After a DNA test, Sharla finally figured out she had made a paternal connection, but she didn't realize how close she had actually come to meeting her birth father.</p><p>Unfortunately, Sharla has gotten mixed signals from her birth mother, and now the woman has left her with negative comments. Sharla refuses to let her negativity drag her down.</p><p>This is Sharla's journey.</p><p>New Book! <a href="https://insidetheadopteeexperience/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inside the Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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But in truth, she knows she was suppressing that feeling. After a DNA test, Sharla finally figured out she had made a paternal connection, but she didn't realize how close she had actually come to meeting her birth father.</p><p>Unfortunately, Sharla has gotten mixed signals from her birth mother, and now the woman has left her with negative comments. Sharla refuses to let her negativity drag her down.</p><p>This is Sharla's journey.</p><p>New Book! <a href="https://insidetheadopteeexperience/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inside the Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/267-]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">721878eb-b7d5-4ac4-ac86-a07d7d5703ce</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/episodes.captivate.fm/episode/721878eb-b7d5-4ac4-ac86-a07d7d5703ce.mp3" length="67697903" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:10:31</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>17</itunes:season><itunes:episode>267</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>267</podcast:episode><podcast:season>17</podcast:season><podcast:chapters url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/chapter-bf38dd94-8058-4433-a031-5e6b354a799c.json" type="application/json+chapters"/></item><item><title>266 - You Don&apos;t Have To Run Anymore</title><itunes:title>266 - You Don&apos;t Have To Run Anymore</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Elina, from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, was born in Russia. She spent her early years in her birth family’s care before moving into foster care. Then, as a minor, she finalized her own adoption before departing for America. Elina grew up as one of four adoptees, each experiencing the impacts of adoption at different stages of their lives.</p><p>Elina has been contacted by her extended family, but she’s not interested in reconnecting with her birth mother. Instead, she’s focused on the deep healing work she wants to do for herself.</p><p>This is Elina’s journey.</p><p>New Book! <a href="https://insidetheadopteeexperience/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inside the Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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She spent her early years in her birth family’s care before moving into foster care. Then, as a minor, she finalized her own adoption before departing for America. Elina grew up as one of four adoptees, each experiencing the impacts of adoption at different stages of their lives.</p><p>Elina has been contacted by her extended family, but she’s not interested in reconnecting with her birth mother. Instead, she’s focused on the deep healing work she wants to do for herself.</p><p>This is Elina’s journey.</p><p>New Book! <a href="https://insidetheadopteeexperience/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inside the Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/266-]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">7560ed59-8abd-494c-ad2d-b7aa70f4f487</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/episodes.captivate.fm/episode/7560ed59-8abd-494c-ad2d-b7aa70f4f487.mp3" length="53175385" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>55:23</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>17</itunes:season><itunes:episode>266</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>266</podcast:episode><podcast:season>17</podcast:season></item><item><title>265 - Captain of Her Ship</title><itunes:title>265 - Captain of Her Ship</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Angie, from Southern Maryland. Growing up, Angie was frequently defined by her skin tone, as her relationship to her adoptive parents was questioned. Her contrast against her schoolmates and surrounding community made her stand out. When Angie found her birth mother, she was welcomed home—even by the woman responsible for her placement. But her paternal reunion was marked by an unremarkable connection and vitriolic remarks, which led Angie to take control of who she keeps in her life.</p><p>This is Angie’s journey.</p><p>New Book! <a href="https://insidetheadopteeexperience/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inside the Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Growing up, Angie was frequently defined by her skin tone, as her relationship to her adoptive parents was questioned. Her contrast against her schoolmates and surrounding community made her stand out. When Angie found her birth mother, she was welcomed home—even by the woman responsible for her placement. But her paternal reunion was marked by an unremarkable connection and vitriolic remarks, which led Angie to take control of who she keeps in her life.</p><p>This is Angie’s journey.</p><p>New Book! <a href="https://insidetheadopteeexperience/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inside the Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/265-captain-of-her-ship]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">745576b8-bcd4-47c1-a43d-91f0b76b997d</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/episodes.captivate.fm/episode/745576b8-bcd4-47c1-a43d-91f0b76b997d.mp3" length="43400302" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>45:12</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>17</itunes:season><itunes:episode>265</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>265</podcast:episode><podcast:season>17</podcast:season><podcast:chapters url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/chapter-f697f42c-48ca-407a-98fb-4ce94e5e5ed2.json" type="application/json+chapters"/></item><item><title>264 - Connected By Cousins</title><itunes:title>264 - Connected By Cousins</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p> Donna, from New Jersey, grew up questioning the origins of her looks. In college the uniqueness of her appearance sparked curiosity. Donna spent years with no way to locate her birth family until DNA testing presented links to her maternal and paternal families simultaneously. While it was tough to find graves on her search, Donna takes fulfillment from the acceptance she's gained and the fostering she provides to children in her community. </p><p>This is Donna's journey. </p><p> New Book! <a href="https://insidetheadopteeexperience/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inside the Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Donna, from New Jersey, grew up questioning the origins of her looks. In college the uniqueness of her appearance sparked curiosity. Donna spent years with no way to locate her birth family until DNA testing presented links to her maternal and paternal families simultaneously. While it was tough to find graves on her search, Donna takes fulfillment from the acceptance she's gained and the fostering she provides to children in her community. </p><p>This is Donna's journey. </p><p> New Book! <a href="https://insidetheadopteeexperience/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inside the Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/264-]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">eeccf719-e3f5-468e-bf9b-fc2c7fcc2b40</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/episodes.captivate.fm/episode/eeccf719-e3f5-468e-bf9b-fc2c7fcc2b40.mp3" length="29446158" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>30:40</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>17</itunes:season><itunes:episode>264</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>264</podcast:episode><podcast:season>17</podcast:season></item><item><title>263 - I Know From Whence I Came</title><itunes:title>263 - I Know From Whence I Came</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Rosalyn spoke to me from the suburbs of Cleveland, Ohio. As a teenager, she learned the truth about her adoption at her adoptive mother’s funeral—a discovery that was revealed harshly and without warning.</p><p>In reunion, Rosalyn said she found peace in the mirroring she saw with her first mother and her paternal family connections. But she refused to remain an unacknowledged secret with her birth father.</p><p>Make sure you listen through to the end, where Rosalyn reveals why her informal adoption has created serious problems for some of her most basic freedoms.</p><p> This is Rosalyn's journey.</p><p>New Book! <a href="https://insidetheadopteeexperience/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inside the Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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As a teenager, she learned the truth about her adoption at her adoptive mother’s funeral—a discovery that was revealed harshly and without warning.</p><p>In reunion, Rosalyn said she found peace in the mirroring she saw with her first mother and her paternal family connections. But she refused to remain an unacknowledged secret with her birth father.</p><p>Make sure you listen through to the end, where Rosalyn reveals why her informal adoption has created serious problems for some of her most basic freedoms.</p><p> This is Rosalyn's journey.</p><p>New Book! <a href="https://insidetheadopteeexperience/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inside the Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/263-i-know-from-whence-i-came]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">e04f712a-bfeb-42fa-92ea-027a38c40e43</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2025 00:45:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/episodes.captivate.fm/episode/e04f712a-bfeb-42fa-92ea-027a38c40e43.mp3" length="47803340" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>49:48</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>17</itunes:season><itunes:episode>263</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>263</podcast:episode><podcast:season>17</podcast:season></item><item><title>262 - Un-M-Othered</title><itunes:title>262 - Un-M-Othered</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Liz Debetta spoke to me from Plymouth, Michigan. Growing up, adoption was an open topic until her younger brother's birth changed the family's focus. </p><p>A series of bad relationships and feeling lost in life led Liz back to school where she rediscovered writing and the award-winning adoption story she's always had inside.</p><p>In reunion, Liz found the first mother whom she always knew wanted to know her. But herdeep exploration of her adoption has driven a wedge between Liz and her older brother. </p><p>This is Liz's journey.</p><p><a href="https://LizDebetta.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LizDebetta.com</a></p><p><a href="https://InsidetheAdopteeExperience" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inside the Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Liz Debetta spoke to me from Plymouth, Michigan. Growing up, adoption was an open topic until her younger brother's birth changed the family's focus. </p><p>A series of bad relationships and feeling lost in life led Liz back to school where she rediscovered writing and the award-winning adoption story she's always had inside.</p><p>In reunion, Liz found the first mother whom she always knew wanted to know her. But herdeep exploration of her adoption has driven a wedge between Liz and her older brother. </p><p>This is Liz's journey.</p><p><a href="https://LizDebetta.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LizDebetta.com</a></p><p><a href="https://InsidetheAdopteeExperience" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inside the Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/262-un-m-othered]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">097e078f-2fb7-444a-9f07-47f11e7ec5d1</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/episodes.captivate.fm/episode/097e078f-2fb7-444a-9f07-47f11e7ec5d1.mp3" length="65892192" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:08:38</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>17</itunes:season><itunes:episode>262</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>262</podcast:episode><podcast:season>17</podcast:season></item><item><title>142 - &quot;American Baby&quot;, Gabrielle Glaser</title><itunes:title>142 - &quot;American Baby&quot;, Gabrielle Glaser</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>David, and his birth mother Margaret's story of adoption relinquishment, lives lived apart but close to one another, and their brief emotional reunion is told in the book, "American Baby", written by&nbsp;New York Times Best Selling Author, Gabrielle Glaser.&nbsp;</p><p>Gabrielle first met David while he was on kidney dialysis awaiting a transplant where he shared that he hoped he would find his birth mother one day.&nbsp;In reunion, David learned that he had always been loved, and his birth parents never forgot about him.&nbsp;</p><p>Gabrielle share's David's journey.&nbsp;</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, and his birth mother Margaret's story of adoption relinquishment, lives lived apart but close to one another, and their brief emotional reunion is told in the book, "American Baby", written by&nbsp;New York Times Best Selling Author, Gabrielle Glaser.&nbsp;</p><p>Gabrielle first met David while he was on kidney dialysis awaiting a transplant where he shared that he hoped he would find his birth mother one day.&nbsp;In reunion, David learned that he had always been loved, and his birth parents never forgot about him.&nbsp;</p><p>Gabrielle share's David's journey.&nbsp;</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/142-american-baby-gabrielle-glaser]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">9554c185-e0d9-40a5-b628-fe0ef0ad3ee9</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2025 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d0f0a6ed-2ed1-4b47-aea0-86d55838071e/142-american-baby-gabrielle-glaser-final.mp3" length="102648862" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:11:17</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>8</itunes:season><itunes:episode>142</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>142</podcast:episode><podcast:season>8</podcast:season></item><item><title>115 – Shadows of the Night</title><itunes:title>Shadows of the Night</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>DL called me from Manhattan, New York.&nbsp;He talks about his youth in a home with a mother addicted to prescription&nbsp;medications who probably wasn’t fit to adopt.&nbsp;When he moved out at 18, he followed his natural talent to climb his way into the&nbsp;music industry. However his&nbsp;suspicion that his birth&nbsp;mother was alive,&nbsp;contrary to what he was told, never left him.&nbsp;</p><p>In reunion, DL's birth mother nearly backed out of meeting him as the guilt of his relinquishment washed over her decades after her decision. Thankfully DL’s sister made sure their reunion, and his reunion with his sisters, did happen. </p><p>This is DL’s journey.&nbsp;</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DL called me from Manhattan, New York.&nbsp;He talks about his youth in a home with a mother addicted to prescription&nbsp;medications who probably wasn’t fit to adopt.&nbsp;When he moved out at 18, he followed his natural talent to climb his way into the&nbsp;music industry. However his&nbsp;suspicion that his birth&nbsp;mother was alive,&nbsp;contrary to what he was told, never left him.&nbsp;</p><p>In reunion, DL's birth mother nearly backed out of meeting him as the guilt of his relinquishment washed over her decades after her decision. Thankfully DL’s sister made sure their reunion, and his reunion with his sisters, did happen. </p><p>This is DL’s journey.&nbsp;</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/shadows-of-the-night]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">4aba79f2-e314-4738-b8ce-6fc0ec9dae10</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2025 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/7e31ef17-d47d-485a-9de9-8736cb7c6ade/115-shadows-of-the-night-final.mp3" length="51976523" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>36:06</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>6</itunes:season><itunes:episode>115</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>115</podcast:episode><podcast:season>6</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/67493d6f-d497-4409-b3c7-1bdf4d3cd004/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>147 - Please Don&apos;t Carry That Weight Anymore</title><itunes:title>147 - Please Don&apos;t Carry That Weight Anymore</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Lisa Marie chatted with me via Skype from Lake Garda in the North of Italy.</p><p>In her journey you'll hear the impact of a transracial adoptee who grew up in a homogenous world that didn't look like herself, and the serendipitous meeting that allowed Lisa to free herself from part of her past.&nbsp;</p><p>Even though she lived a world away, technology allowed her to find her birth mother and spend the entire day online with her and her birth family.&nbsp;</p><p>In front of an intimate audience in Colorado, Lisa got the once in a lifetime opportunity to sing to one special woman sitting in the front row of her show.&nbsp;</p><p>This is Lisa's journey.&nbsp;</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa Marie chatted with me via Skype from Lake Garda in the North of Italy.</p><p>In her journey you'll hear the impact of a transracial adoptee who grew up in a homogenous world that didn't look like herself, and the serendipitous meeting that allowed Lisa to free herself from part of her past.&nbsp;</p><p>Even though she lived a world away, technology allowed her to find her birth mother and spend the entire day online with her and her birth family.&nbsp;</p><p>In front of an intimate audience in Colorado, Lisa got the once in a lifetime opportunity to sing to one special woman sitting in the front row of her show.&nbsp;</p><p>This is Lisa's journey.&nbsp;</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/147-please-dont-carry-that-weight-anymore]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">9f4404a2-02a3-4fe5-b7f1-8259b4752c0c</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/ff3ce518-8e52-449c-9a63-2c14d27f38d7/3PqceiM0mXQBUdncQIGpxNmt.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2025 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d0ab19ce-5b1f-44eb-bacf-7b25f82699ba/147-please-don-t-carry-that-weight-anymore3.mp3" length="87648730" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:00:52</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>8</itunes:season><itunes:episode>147</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>147</podcast:episode><podcast:season>8</podcast:season></item><item><title>135 – Something About This Tells Me We’re Family</title><itunes:title>135 Something About This Tells Me We&apos;re Family</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Isaac, from Hawaii,&nbsp;talks about himself as a boy who was loved, but&nbsp;struggled to connect with his adoptive parents in certain ways.&nbsp;Having left the island, a chance musical gig put him back on Hawaiian soil and in position to launch his adoption reunion search.&nbsp;In reunion he reconnected with both of his parents at the same time, elected to move back to Hawaii to reconnect with the land and his people, and even found that learning more about the island made him closer to his adoptive&nbsp;family too. This is Isaac’s journey.&nbsp;</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isaac, from Hawaii,&nbsp;talks about himself as a boy who was loved, but&nbsp;struggled to connect with his adoptive parents in certain ways.&nbsp;Having left the island, a chance musical gig put him back on Hawaiian soil and in position to launch his adoption reunion search.&nbsp;In reunion he reconnected with both of his parents at the same time, elected to move back to Hawaii to reconnect with the land and his people, and even found that learning more about the island made him closer to his adoptive&nbsp;family too. This is Isaac’s journey.&nbsp;</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/135-something-about-this-tells-me-were-family]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">53dc3e7f-8a1a-49eb-85a8-ad8cf3f48299</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2025 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/322e93fc-52c2-4120-898b-1594ccff1122/135-something-about-this-tells-me-were-family-final.mp3" length="90713838" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:03:00</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>7</itunes:season><itunes:episode>135</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>135</podcast:episode><podcast:season>7</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/f7f55387-591a-490e-a2a2-bf22ae738de2/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>129 – Finding Him Brought Closure</title><itunes:title>129 - Finding Him Has Made The Heartache Non-Existent</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Tracey called me from Nashville, TN.&nbsp;She was raised in a family with a genetic trait that deeply impacted her middle sister,&nbsp;driving her appreciation for the power of genetic testing.&nbsp;Tracey knows a lot about her birth mother even though the&nbsp;woman&nbsp;rejected her twice.Process of elimination led her to her birth father, several loving siblings, and healing from the heartache of her first attempt at reunion.&nbsp;This is Tracey’s journey.&nbsp;</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracey called me from Nashville, TN.&nbsp;She was raised in a family with a genetic trait that deeply impacted her middle sister,&nbsp;driving her appreciation for the power of genetic testing.&nbsp;Tracey knows a lot about her birth mother even though the&nbsp;woman&nbsp;rejected her twice.Process of elimination led her to her birth father, several loving siblings, and healing from the heartache of her first attempt at reunion.&nbsp;This is Tracey’s journey.&nbsp;</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/129-finding-him-has-made-the-heartache-non-existent]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">6984d872-e74c-4a98-b2fd-6f8e7dafb723</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2025 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/6e9e163d-53f6-4941-844c-1dbde6fc0ca3/129-finding-him-has-made-the-heartache-non-existent-final.mp3" length="64806852" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>45:00</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>7</itunes:season><itunes:episode>129</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>129</podcast:episode><podcast:season>7</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/298f4857-29d9-49b8-9531-568377208ff1/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>175 - The Thing I Needed To Forgive Myself</title><itunes:title>175 - The Thing I Needed To Forgive Myself</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Kristen, from Minnesota, was a multi-sport athlete in high school, even competing while pregnant with her daughter. She tells the story of giving birth, placing her daughter, then needing years to get her life back on track. </p><p>In one incredible year, Kristen learned that her birth parents were looking for her, her daughter wanted to find her and that reunion can bring closure and healing while revealing unbelievable coincidences. Kristen talks about some of the right decisions she made in her life and some of the missteps that she wishes she would have done differently as a parent. </p><p>This is Kristen's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really?</a> </li><li><a href="https://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>﻿Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristen, from Minnesota, was a multi-sport athlete in high school, even competing while pregnant with her daughter. She tells the story of giving birth, placing her daughter, then needing years to get her life back on track. </p><p>In one incredible year, Kristen learned that her birth parents were looking for her, her daughter wanted to find her and that reunion can bring closure and healing while revealing unbelievable coincidences. Kristen talks about some of the right decisions she made in her life and some of the missteps that she wishes she would have done differently as a parent. </p><p>This is Kristen's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really?</a> </li><li><a href="https://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>﻿Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/175-the-thing-i-needed-to-forgive-myself]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">42292ea5-cdbc-463c-92ba-d2f9e5757ab4</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2025 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/91ab0f3f-33f5-4a5b-a087-e14053c0c5a0/175-20-20The-20Thing-20I-20Needed-20To-20Forgive-20Myself-20FIN.mp3" length="69942723" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>48:34</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>10</itunes:season><itunes:episode>175</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>175</podcast:episode><podcast:season>10</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/d7d1006c-8d1a-43b7-9aeb-9820db287d59/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>106 – Beautiful Truth</title><itunes:title>106 – Beautiful Truth</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>For Shelby, growing up as a Korean adoptee left her feeling “othered” as she didn’t quite fit into her community.&nbsp;The Korean school her parents tried to&nbsp;raise her in wouldn’t accept her either. She was forced to live in between her culture and what Americans would or would not let her be.</p><p>On a&nbsp;heritage&nbsp;trip to South Korea she experienced the heavy&nbsp;emotions of reunion with her birth mother, the challenge of remaining a secret, and witnessed the frustrations of her brother who couldn’t locate his&nbsp;biological family.&nbsp;Shelby also gained a real compassion for her adopted mother whose reasons for adopting brought Shelby and her mother closer together.&nbsp;This is Shelby’s journey.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/106-beautiful-truth/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">106 – Beautiful Truth</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Shelby (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=2.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:02</a>):</p><p>She had been raped and she got pregnant and her parents did not want to help raise the baby. So they essentially told her like, you have to give this baby up for adoption or you can't stay here. So she felt like she had no option. And so it's been a lifetime of pain for her.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=32.81" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:32</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members? I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Shelby who called me from Valrico, Florida due East of Tampa for Shelby, growing up as a Korean adoptee, left her feeling othered as she didn't quite fit into her community and the Korean school, her parents tried to raise her in. Wouldn't accept her either on a heritage trip to her home country. She experienced the heavy emotion of reunion with her birth mother, the challenge of remaining a secret and witnessed the frustrations of her brother who couldn't locate his biological family. Shelby also gained a real compassion for her adopted mother who's reasons for adopting brought Shelby and her mother closer together. This is Shelby. When I spoke to Shelby. She was frantically packing and planning for a very special trip to New York with her adopted mother. She started off telling me about her adoption that originated overseas.</p><p>Shelby (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=107.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:47</a>):</p><p>Well, I was adopted from South Korea when I was almost one year old and I flew over on a plane to an airport in DC. And my parents picked me up at the airport and that's where I met him for the first time. Um, my mom always tells me that the first time she held me, I just looked straight into her eyes and she, um, felt like I was asking her, are you my new mother? Now? She always gets emotional when she tells that story. And I do too. Um, I do feel like I bonded really quickly with her. I don't remember, but I just felt my life. I felt so close to my adopted mom. Um, and then when I was put into my dad's arms, I took one look at him and I immediately cried because he had glasses, blue eyes, very pale skin, that eighties moustache. So it took me a bit of time to warm up to him, but he did take off a few weeks of work, uh, so that he could connect with me and for me to become comfortable with him, that was good that he was able to do that.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=179.02" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:59</a>):</p><p>The family lived right here near me in silver spring, Maryland until she was five years old. When they moved to North Carolina, they spent a stint in Montana. Then back to silver spring, the family finally settled in Jupiter, Florida near West Palm beach. Shelby admits. She doesn't have many memories of those early days, but during that time, the reality of adoption hit her hard.</p><p>Shelby (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=203.28" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:23</a>):</p><p>It was about when I was around five or six is when it finally hit me, what adoption meant. And my mom always tells me that I was devastated and heartbroken. And, um, my, my brother who was, uh, they adopted him from Korea as well. And he's two and a half years younger than me, but he, we, we are not biologically related. Um, he saw my reaction of, uh, just incessant crying. And I apparently was begging my parents to go to Korea and find her and bring, uh, my biological mother back so that she could live with me because ever since I can remember, they just told me that I was adopted and my mother gave me up out of love to give me a better life because she was so poor and so that whole narrative, that simple narrative, um, which I think is dangerous to tell a kid, it didn't make sense to me. She was so poor. Then she could come live in this big house. I thought it was a very big house. You know, why would, why would they, why would they separate us?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=274.77" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:34</a>):</p><p>Shelby's mother could only deliver the message to her daughter in the ways that she learned to do it. She went to conferences where adult adoptees spoke and exposed her to different narratives. So her mother did the best she could with what little information she had. And Shelby said she did something else that helped a lot.</p><p>Shelby (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=293.64" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:53</a>):</p><p>She gave me like a lot of space to be able to talk about my feelings and emotions, especially if it had anything to do with adoption. So I always had that and I think that's why we're really close. Um, and my dad, you know, to be he was not the greatest at talking about his own emotions, but he did the best he could. And, um, I do remember this when I was really young, that I would fantasize about being the princess of Korea and that my real mother would come back or would find me. And then I would go Google Korea. So that definitely was a fantasy of mine. I would imagine what she looked like, because that was really difficult, not knowing who I looked like</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=339.72" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:39</a>):</p><p>Shelby wanted to see who she looked like, where she got her personality traits from, and so much more to frame things. Shelby's parents are white. Her father is a tall man with light Brown hair. Her mother is Italian with more olive skin and darker hair. She'll be says she with her mother for several months before she was placed into foster care in South Korea. So she probably got familiar with her birth mother's face and therefore felt some sense of familiarity with her adopted mother's Italian features, going back. The many moves the family made were in pursuit of her father's job opportunities as a scientist. But when the family was in silver spring, Maryland for the last time, the school year commute and the increase in crime in the area got to be too much for her mother that's when they moved to Florida.</p><p>Shelby (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=387.13" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:27</a>):</p><p>The only thing that was unfortunate about that move was my parents did, there was a lot more Korean adoptees and Korean or translational adoptive families in the area. And so we would go to like groups and meetings and there was a culture camp we went to. So I think I also, well, I know I also had a Korean babysitter even who would talk to me, in Korean and my mom's told me that like I understood basic Korean up until I was about four. So I had a lot of exposure to the Korean culture, but I don't really remember it. And then, so we moved to Florida because of the warm weather. It's safer, I guess. Uh, and it's a very predominantly white community. And so besides the moving stressful, and it was just a stark contrast of, um, the people around, around you. I remember in public school, this is, this is when I start getting like Cooley or crystal clear memories, um, of kids making fun of the way I looked.</p><p>Shelby (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=452.77" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:32</a>):</p><p>And that was new to me. So I am a very quiet, introverted person. So I usually would shut down and I wouldn't know how to react, but when a kid would call me Chinese Japanese, look at these, and then they would like pull their face back to]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Shelby, growing up as a Korean adoptee left her feeling “othered” as she didn’t quite fit into her community.&nbsp;The Korean school her parents tried to&nbsp;raise her in wouldn’t accept her either. She was forced to live in between her culture and what Americans would or would not let her be.</p><p>On a&nbsp;heritage&nbsp;trip to South Korea she experienced the heavy&nbsp;emotions of reunion with her birth mother, the challenge of remaining a secret, and witnessed the frustrations of her brother who couldn’t locate his&nbsp;biological family.&nbsp;Shelby also gained a real compassion for her adopted mother whose reasons for adopting brought Shelby and her mother closer together.&nbsp;This is Shelby’s journey.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/106-beautiful-truth/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">106 – Beautiful Truth</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Shelby (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=2.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:02</a>):</p><p>She had been raped and she got pregnant and her parents did not want to help raise the baby. So they essentially told her like, you have to give this baby up for adoption or you can't stay here. So she felt like she had no option. And so it's been a lifetime of pain for her.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=32.81" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:32</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members? I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Shelby who called me from Valrico, Florida due East of Tampa for Shelby, growing up as a Korean adoptee, left her feeling othered as she didn't quite fit into her community and the Korean school, her parents tried to raise her in. Wouldn't accept her either on a heritage trip to her home country. She experienced the heavy emotion of reunion with her birth mother, the challenge of remaining a secret and witnessed the frustrations of her brother who couldn't locate his biological family. Shelby also gained a real compassion for her adopted mother who's reasons for adopting brought Shelby and her mother closer together. This is Shelby. When I spoke to Shelby. She was frantically packing and planning for a very special trip to New York with her adopted mother. She started off telling me about her adoption that originated overseas.</p><p>Shelby (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=107.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:47</a>):</p><p>Well, I was adopted from South Korea when I was almost one year old and I flew over on a plane to an airport in DC. And my parents picked me up at the airport and that's where I met him for the first time. Um, my mom always tells me that the first time she held me, I just looked straight into her eyes and she, um, felt like I was asking her, are you my new mother? Now? She always gets emotional when she tells that story. And I do too. Um, I do feel like I bonded really quickly with her. I don't remember, but I just felt my life. I felt so close to my adopted mom. Um, and then when I was put into my dad's arms, I took one look at him and I immediately cried because he had glasses, blue eyes, very pale skin, that eighties moustache. So it took me a bit of time to warm up to him, but he did take off a few weeks of work, uh, so that he could connect with me and for me to become comfortable with him, that was good that he was able to do that.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=179.02" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:59</a>):</p><p>The family lived right here near me in silver spring, Maryland until she was five years old. When they moved to North Carolina, they spent a stint in Montana. Then back to silver spring, the family finally settled in Jupiter, Florida near West Palm beach. Shelby admits. She doesn't have many memories of those early days, but during that time, the reality of adoption hit her hard.</p><p>Shelby (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=203.28" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:23</a>):</p><p>It was about when I was around five or six is when it finally hit me, what adoption meant. And my mom always tells me that I was devastated and heartbroken. And, um, my, my brother who was, uh, they adopted him from Korea as well. And he's two and a half years younger than me, but he, we, we are not biologically related. Um, he saw my reaction of, uh, just incessant crying. And I apparently was begging my parents to go to Korea and find her and bring, uh, my biological mother back so that she could live with me because ever since I can remember, they just told me that I was adopted and my mother gave me up out of love to give me a better life because she was so poor and so that whole narrative, that simple narrative, um, which I think is dangerous to tell a kid, it didn't make sense to me. She was so poor. Then she could come live in this big house. I thought it was a very big house. You know, why would, why would they, why would they separate us?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=274.77" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:34</a>):</p><p>Shelby's mother could only deliver the message to her daughter in the ways that she learned to do it. She went to conferences where adult adoptees spoke and exposed her to different narratives. So her mother did the best she could with what little information she had. And Shelby said she did something else that helped a lot.</p><p>Shelby (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=293.64" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:53</a>):</p><p>She gave me like a lot of space to be able to talk about my feelings and emotions, especially if it had anything to do with adoption. So I always had that and I think that's why we're really close. Um, and my dad, you know, to be he was not the greatest at talking about his own emotions, but he did the best he could. And, um, I do remember this when I was really young, that I would fantasize about being the princess of Korea and that my real mother would come back or would find me. And then I would go Google Korea. So that definitely was a fantasy of mine. I would imagine what she looked like, because that was really difficult, not knowing who I looked like</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=339.72" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:39</a>):</p><p>Shelby wanted to see who she looked like, where she got her personality traits from, and so much more to frame things. Shelby's parents are white. Her father is a tall man with light Brown hair. Her mother is Italian with more olive skin and darker hair. She'll be says she with her mother for several months before she was placed into foster care in South Korea. So she probably got familiar with her birth mother's face and therefore felt some sense of familiarity with her adopted mother's Italian features, going back. The many moves the family made were in pursuit of her father's job opportunities as a scientist. But when the family was in silver spring, Maryland for the last time, the school year commute and the increase in crime in the area got to be too much for her mother that's when they moved to Florida.</p><p>Shelby (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=387.13" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:27</a>):</p><p>The only thing that was unfortunate about that move was my parents did, there was a lot more Korean adoptees and Korean or translational adoptive families in the area. And so we would go to like groups and meetings and there was a culture camp we went to. So I think I also, well, I know I also had a Korean babysitter even who would talk to me, in Korean and my mom's told me that like I understood basic Korean up until I was about four. So I had a lot of exposure to the Korean culture, but I don't really remember it. And then, so we moved to Florida because of the warm weather. It's safer, I guess. Uh, and it's a very predominantly white community. And so besides the moving stressful, and it was just a stark contrast of, um, the people around, around you. I remember in public school, this is, this is when I start getting like Cooley or crystal clear memories, um, of kids making fun of the way I looked.</p><p>Shelby (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=452.77" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:32</a>):</p><p>And that was new to me. So I am a very quiet, introverted person. So I usually would shut down and I wouldn't know how to react, but when a kid would call me Chinese Japanese, look at these, and then they would like pull their face back to try and make their eyes look slanted. Um, a lot of times they would call me flat face. They would ask the question. I mean, why was your parents or your old, your real parents give you up? So that was a hard question to answer because I didn't feel like, you know, it wasn't really their business. So a lot of times I would just add, I'm just adopted from Korea. I don't know why</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=490.69" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:10</a>):</p><p>She's written a lot about her experiences in blog posts. And her mom has read her posts. Shelby's mother was dismayed that her daughter never shared her struggles. Her mother would have loved to have done something about it, spoken to the school administration or something Shelby can see now that she internalized the feelings that came from those harsh experiences. They effected her feelings of self-worth and her self-esteem. She said she just really wanted to be white so much so that when she started wearing makeup, she picked tones that were way lighter than a match for her own skin. Shelby said she was really embarrassed when one of her best friends finally told her about her cosmetics, blender, when they were in high school, she talks about her desire to feel better about herself as an adoptee</p><p>Shelby (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=537.83" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:57</a>):</p><p>Growing up, I was very much a people pleaser and I tried really, really hard to be perfect, you know, so that my parents would be proud. Um, and that kind of thing, just basically to just try and be worthy, I guess, of their love. And, um, and I felt like if I did all of this work and I did everything I was supposed to, that I would, I would feel better about myself. You know, I would feel whole, but when, you know, come high school, I still felt this huge void inside because of the loss of my biological family. It felt like a huge let down, I guess, you know, because you grow up. I, at least for me, I felt a lot of, of shame and embarrassment about, about it because I didn't know if my, my biological mother did truly love me. And so I feel like growing up with a doubt of a mother's love really, really hurts. Like she was a person. And how you view yourself, sorry. I always get emotional when they talk about it. It still has an effect on me, even as an adult, even though I've done so much work and I've gone to therapy, like I think my mom, she put me into therapy when I was six because of how hard I had taken the whole adoption. Like what it meant.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=628.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:28</a>):</p><p>Shelby said, her brother, Garrett, also a South Korean adoptee, but not biological to her, looked up to her when they were younger, copying all of the things she liked to do and basically annoying her intentionally or just by being there. I asked her if she shared her feelings with her brother about being an adoptee back then she said they did not, but they did bond over it partially because of the discrimination they experienced in a variety of settings.</p><p>Shelby (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=655.55" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:55</a>):</p><p>I think what was our comfort is that we were both adopted. I can imagine families that have both biological and adopted children. I would, I would feel like I wouldn't, I would feel if my parents had biological, biological children that I would, I would feel less loved than them, if that makes any sense. But I mean, maybe that's not the case for other other families, but yeah. So I think, and also that he was also Korean. Like I do remember when we were sitting in the doctor's office. Um, and it was for my mom appointment and we were just waiting in the waiting room and there was this old man and he just started going off and how much he hated Japanese people. And he looked right at my brother and I, and I think I was probably 13 and he was 10. So we just, we just kept quiet.</p><p>Shelby (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=709.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:49</a>):</p><p>We didn't know what to do. And at first I was like we aren't even Japanese, like, why do we keep getting this? Like, people not know there are other Asian countries around the world. I don't even know if I don't even think we told my mom because he had left or something. So it seemed pointless, but that's kind of, you know, we had that in common and I don't even know we had to talk about it, how it would help me to feel, but it certainly was fruitful. And, but we were also kind of used to it.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=741.45" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:21</a>):</p><p>It's kind of weird that you guys would have this unfortunate bond over, you know, the ignorance of discrimination against you, both. You know what I mean? Like what a weird club to be in that's. It sucks</p><p>Shelby (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=754.24" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:34</a>):</p><p>Yes. And you know, what's even harder is my, my parents wanted to put Garrett and I, and that's my brother's name into a Korean school on the weekend where we could learn more about the culture and possibly learn about the language. And you know what the director of that school said, he's like he advised against it because we weren't being raised by Korean parents. Our parents are white and they said the kids would make fun of them and call them, call them KVA's, which stands for Korean, but American. So this really weird place where we would not be accepted by the Korean American. And then it was hard to, you know, be embraced by the predominantly white community. So we were like really stuck in this place where we're like, what, it's not even our fault.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=810.36" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:30</a>):</p><p>Shelby went on to say, she's heard from Korean adoptees younger than herself, that the discrimination by other Koreans in America isn't as bad as it was for she and her brother back in the Homeland. However, where traditions hold steadfast through the generations, they're still discriminatory toward children born out of wedlock or those who are not full-blooded Korean Shelby navigated high school, managing othering and discrimination. She said, she always knew she wanted to find her biological mother ever since she was six years old, her parents always told her and her brother that they would take them on a trip to South Korea when they were in high school, as promised when Shelby was 17 years old, her parents contacted the adoption agency through which Shelby and Garrett were adopted and booked a two week Homeland tour to Korea, the tour hosted several other adopted kids and their families on a journey to the land they came from as an additional service. The agency will search for biological relatives. If the child is interested in locating them for Shelby, it was the sole reason for that trip.</p><p>Shelby (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=876.69" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">14:36</a>):</p><p>I remember my mom had put in that both Garrett and I wanted to meet our foster moms and our biological moms, if they could be found. And I remember for me, I, it was probably two weeks before the trip. And, uh, I got a letter from the agency saying that they had found her and she was reluctant to meet me. And I remember locking myself in my room and crying so hard. I feel like, you know, when you have a trauma or traumatic things happen, like when you, when you go back to it or revisit, it it's literally like, it just happened. Um, at least for me, that pain, like I can still recall that almost as vastly as when I first felt it. Um, but it felt like a second rejection. And I, I told my mom, there was no point for me going on this trip. If I couldn't meet her, that was the whole point. I don't care about getting Korean food and stuff like we eat Korean food in Florida. I I'm like Garrett and I are in TaeKwonDo. So we literally can count to 10 in Korean and say, hello and goodbye. Thank you very much. We got it. We've got the culture thing down,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/tExgVbjLnQ9sOuRzYQsSQ9q4pQ_uXUHKeOPuUZNCH2zYs43r0DaF4uPW786FXmXhG5jJ3jzEHexaX2W54SfE0ypJANI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=955.27" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">15:55</a>):</p><p>Along with the notification that Shelby's birth mother had been found, but was reluctant to meet her was a document that had been withheld from her adoption papers describing her biological mother and father. Garrett got one to. Shelby's birth parents had been factory workers and she was born out of wedlock. I asked Shelby how it felt to see those details...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/106-beautiful-truth]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2593</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ae1f4957-a5b2-4466-a97c-0679644071f2/106-beautiful-truth-final.mp3" length="65711493" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>45:38</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>5</itunes:season><itunes:episode>106</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>106</podcast:episode><podcast:season>5</podcast:season><itunes:summary>For Shelby, growing up as a Korean adoptee left her feeling “othered” as she didn’t quite fit into her community. The Korean school her parents tried to raise her in wouldn’t accept her either. She was forced to live in between her culture and what Americans would or would not let her be. On a heritage trip to South…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>261 - Born Without A Race</title><itunes:title>261 - Born Without A Race</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p> Sean from, Fishers, Indiana,  grew up the only person of color in his entire rural town. Yet his ethnicity was hidden from him by his adoptive mother. 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Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Sean from, Fishers, Indiana,  grew up the only person of color in his entire rural town. Yet his ethnicity was hidden from him by his adoptive mother. In Reunion, Sean finally met his birth mother, but realized he needed to establish a special boundary with her to protect his adopted children. </p><p>Lacking mirroring all his life, Sean finally heard one of his paternal relatives say, he looks just like someone special in their family. </p><p>Sean's book is called <a href="https://a.co/d/1LV2lxE" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Born Without a Race</a>. </p><p>This is Sean's journey.</p><p><a href="https://a.co/d/1LV2lxE" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Born Without A Race:The Struggles and Confusion of a Racially Ambiguous Adoptee, and How He Discovered His</a>, By Dr. Michael Bauer (Sean)</p><p>New Book! <a href="https://insidetheadopteeexperience/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inside the Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/261-born-without-a-race]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">3643f7c5-33f3-41a2-82f8-6d5dd337857c</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/episodes.captivate.fm/episode/3643f7c5-33f3-41a2-82f8-6d5dd337857c.mp3" length="62427741" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:05:02</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>16</itunes:season><itunes:episode>261</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>261</podcast:episode><podcast:season>16</podcast:season></item><item><title>260 - Il Mio Posto a Tavola (My Place at the Table)</title><itunes:title>260 - Il Mio Posto a Tavola (My Place at the Table)</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Santo, from Redding, PA, grew up knowing he was adopted, and that his family could have also adopted his siblings from Italy. </p><p>As an adult, when a friend's wedding took him to Spain, he arrived early to make the long drive across Europe to northern Italy to be face to face with his birth mother. </p><p> Santo and his team made a documentary about his life is called Il Mio Posto a Tavola, or My Place at the Table where he uncovers research about his thread in the mosaic of European children adopted into the United States. This is Santo's journey.</p><p>New Book! <a href="https://insidetheadopteeexperience/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inside the Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Santo, from Redding, PA, grew up knowing he was adopted, and that his family could have also adopted his siblings from Italy. </p><p>As an adult, when a friend's wedding took him to Spain, he arrived early to make the long drive across Europe to northern Italy to be face to face with his birth mother. </p><p> Santo and his team made a documentary about his life is called Il Mio Posto a Tavola, or My Place at the Table where he uncovers research about his thread in the mosaic of European children adopted into the United States. This is Santo's journey.</p><p>New Book! <a href="https://insidetheadopteeexperience/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inside the Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/260-]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">6004df26-0c00-40af-abcc-bd9d6f8fd2a1</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/episodes.captivate.fm/episode/6004df26-0c00-40af-abcc-bd9d6f8fd2a1.mp3" length="58804643" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:01:15</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>16</itunes:season><itunes:episode>260</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>260</podcast:episode><podcast:season>16</podcast:season><podcast:chapters url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/chapter-4325f715-927e-4c16-9427-db6769491893.json" type="application/json+chapters"/></item><item><title>259 - The Innocent People Project</title><itunes:title>259 - The Innocent People Project</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, from southern California,   grew up with the knowledge of and separation anxiety about his adoption. In reunion, he found his birth mother who mirrored his looks, but who has pushed the boundaries of their relationship, and a birth father who is simply not his type of guy.</p><p>Jeff is the inspirational photographer behind  the adoptee focused innocent People Project. </p><p>This is Jeff's journey.</p><p><a href="https://jeffforney.com/innocentpeople/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jeff Forney.com/Innocent People</a></p><p>IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/jeffforney" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@JeffForney</a></p><p>FB: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/jeffforneyphoto/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jeff Forney Photography</a></p><p>New Book! <a href="https://insidetheadopteeexperience/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inside the Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, from southern California,   grew up with the knowledge of and separation anxiety about his adoption. In reunion, he found his birth mother who mirrored his looks, but who has pushed the boundaries of their relationship, and a birth father who is simply not his type of guy.</p><p>Jeff is the inspirational photographer behind  the adoptee focused innocent People Project. </p><p>This is Jeff's journey.</p><p><a href="https://jeffforney.com/innocentpeople/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jeff Forney.com/Innocent People</a></p><p>IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/jeffforney" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@JeffForney</a></p><p>FB: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/jeffforneyphoto/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Jeff Forney Photography</a></p><p>New Book! <a href="https://insidetheadopteeexperience/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inside the Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/259-the-innocent-people-project]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">10cc3a4c-503b-42cf-845b-cafc82e5a5a5</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/episodes.captivate.fm/episode/10cc3a4c-503b-42cf-845b-cafc82e5a5a5.mp3" length="60829472" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:03:22</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>16</itunes:season><itunes:episode>259</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>259</podcast:episode><podcast:season>16</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/1cd4c342-8e76-42b0-9599-28a1eeaea611/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>258 - Twice the Family</title><itunes:title>258 - Twice the Family</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p> Julie from Chicago, Illinois is rare in the world of adoption because she wasn't adopted alone. She and her identical twin sister were placed together, secure in their sense of family. The twins never sought adoption reunion until health concerns emerged for Julie in adulthood.  </p><p>Julie describes the initial rejection of her first mother, the misidentification of her birth father, and the eventual softening of the feelings of a mother of twins who finally needed to know that her girls were okay.</p><p>This is Julie and Jenny's journey.</p><h1><a href="https://a.co/d/fDHXEGX" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" class="ql-size-small">Twice the Family: A Memoir of Love, Loss, and Sisterhood</a></h1><h1><a href="https://a.co/d/hYIzdbr" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" class="ql-size-small">Twice a Daughter: A Search for Identity, Family, and Belonging</a></h1><p>New Book! <a href="https://insidetheadopteeexperience/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inside the Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Julie from Chicago, Illinois is rare in the world of adoption because she wasn't adopted alone. She and her identical twin sister were placed together, secure in their sense of family. The twins never sought adoption reunion until health concerns emerged for Julie in adulthood.  </p><p>Julie describes the initial rejection of her first mother, the misidentification of her birth father, and the eventual softening of the feelings of a mother of twins who finally needed to know that her girls were okay.</p><p>This is Julie and Jenny's journey.</p><h1><a href="https://a.co/d/fDHXEGX" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" class="ql-size-small">Twice the Family: A Memoir of Love, Loss, and Sisterhood</a></h1><h1><a href="https://a.co/d/hYIzdbr" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" class="ql-size-small">Twice a Daughter: A Search for Identity, Family, and Belonging</a></h1><p>New Book! <a href="https://insidetheadopteeexperience/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Inside the Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/258-twice-the-family]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">21131674-6db9-47ee-9aa0-8aa3587c6e68</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/episodes.captivate.fm/episode/21131674-6db9-47ee-9aa0-8aa3587c6e68.mp3" length="52603748" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>54:48</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>16</itunes:season><itunes:episode>258</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>258</podcast:episode><podcast:season>16</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/39e896fc-c0f5-4745-9659-cc34726e17bf/index.html" type="text/html"/><podcast:chapters url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/chapter-5c7a61af-a306-460a-8272-56252c3c594c.json" type="application/json+chapters"/></item><item><title>257 - Unjustified Rejection</title><itunes:title>257 - Unjustified Rejection</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Melissa, who called me from Harrison, Arkansas, says she always felt chosen and grateful for her adoption. But after decades of peace with her origin story, something shifted. A small-town newspaper article, a newborn daughter, and an aging parent all conspired to push her toward a search.</p><p>When the time was finally right—when a DNA match opened the door to her paternal family—she stepped forward in grace, only to be met with silence on her maternal side. Melissa took a clandestine trip to see the woman her half-sisters had been blocking access to.</p><p>This is Melissa’s journey.</p><p><a href="https://theadopteeexperience.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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But after decades of peace with her origin story, something shifted. A small-town newspaper article, a newborn daughter, and an aging parent all conspired to push her toward a search.</p><p>When the time was finally right—when a DNA match opened the door to her paternal family—she stepped forward in grace, only to be met with silence on her maternal side. Melissa took a clandestine trip to see the woman her half-sisters had been blocking access to.</p><p>This is Melissa’s journey.</p><p><a href="https://theadopteeexperience.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Adoptee Experience</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/257-]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">7511c7f0-dc04-404f-8c11-ed3ec5660d6e</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/episodes.captivate.fm/episode/7511c7f0-dc04-404f-8c11-ed3ec5660d6e.mp3" length="74503161" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:17:36</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>16</itunes:season><itunes:episode>257</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>257</podcast:episode><podcast:season>16</podcast:season><podcast:chapters url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/chapter-5fa2dbd6-235b-4a5a-99bb-f477bbabe16e.json" type="application/json+chapters"/></item><item><title>256 - I&apos;m Not The Finished Package</title><itunes:title>256 - I&apos;m Not The Finished Package</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Ryan, from Edinburgh, Scotland, grew up ashamed of his Moroccan heritage and faced bullying due to his background and religion. At 18, a letter from his mother revealed his adoption, shaking his world and leading him to hide the truth for 13 years. Ryan struggled with depression, substance abuse, and a pervasive sense of otherness. Eventually Ryan confronted his adoption trauma, seeking therapy and connecting with the adoptee community. Ryan's continues his relentless search for his birth family in Morocco. </p><p>This is Ryan's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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At 18, a letter from his mother revealed his adoption, shaking his world and leading him to hide the truth for 13 years. Ryan struggled with depression, substance abuse, and a pervasive sense of otherness. Eventually Ryan confronted his adoption trauma, seeking therapy and connecting with the adoptee community. Ryan's continues his relentless search for his birth family in Morocco. </p><p>This is Ryan's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Her adoptive family gave her a life full of opportunity—but as she grew older, the distance between who she was and the world around her only deepened. In this episode, Katie shares how her search for identity has expanded beyond finding her birth parents. She opens up about being raised without cultural mirrors, navigating the silence around her story, and reclaiming pieces of herself that were left behind.</p><p>This is Katie's journey. </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Her adoptive family gave her a life full of opportunity—but as she grew older, the distance between who she was and the world around her only deepened. In this episode, Katie shares how her search for identity has expanded beyond finding her birth parents. She opens up about being raised without cultural mirrors, navigating the silence around her story, and reclaiming pieces of herself that were left behind.</p><p>This is Katie's journey. </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/255-katie-this-is-me-but-why-is-it-me]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">c4e755cb-9f24-4752-8c14-9eee405af242</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/episodes.captivate.fm/episode/c4e755cb-9f24-4752-8c14-9eee405af242.mp3" length="45865034" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>47:47</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>16</itunes:season><itunes:episode>255</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>255</podcast:episode><podcast:season>16</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/a1c19750-7c99-4fc9-9494-4dca4db8eab1/index.html" type="text/html"/><podcast:chapters url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/chapter-a62e76ad-32cf-44e3-8d4c-103088c632a0.json" type="application/json+chapters"/></item><item><title>254 - I Do Not Want My DNA In Their System</title><itunes:title>254 - I Do Not Want My DNA In Their System</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>George grew up in Soviet Georgia knowing he was different—both visibly and emotionally—in a society where adoption and his sexuality were dangerous secrets. He spent his early life navigating fear, hiding truths, and surviving systems designed to silence him.</p><p>When a search angel from Russia responded to a single Facebook post, everything changed. George embarked on a digital trail of late-night texts, uncovering the truth of his birth, a sister who had been searching for him for 50 years, and a family that thought he was lost forever.</p><p>George shares how he’s learning to trust again—reclaiming a birthday, a name, and a history that had been buried for decades.</p><p>This is George’s journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George grew up in Soviet Georgia knowing he was different—both visibly and emotionally—in a society where adoption and his sexuality were dangerous secrets. He spent his early life navigating fear, hiding truths, and surviving systems designed to silence him.</p><p>When a search angel from Russia responded to a single Facebook post, everything changed. George embarked on a digital trail of late-night texts, uncovering the truth of his birth, a sister who had been searching for him for 50 years, and a family that thought he was lost forever.</p><p>George shares how he’s learning to trust again—reclaiming a birthday, a name, and a history that had been buried for decades.</p><p>This is George’s journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Forest says he joined the military to make an honorable exit from this life and shares the moment he found his calling as a tattoo artist to his brothers in Iraq. </p><p>But when Fort decided to get his passport, the process revealed that he had been adopted by a devious woman who had taken him in, but had never told him her plans. </p><p>Today he has transformed his life into one of purpose and healing. </p><p>This is Forrest's journey.</p><p><a href="https://a.co/d/iZk8gAK" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Angel Blue - A Song of Redemption</a>, by Forrest Lang</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Forest says he joined the military to make an honorable exit from this life and shares the moment he found his calling as a tattoo artist to his brothers in Iraq. </p><p>But when Fort decided to get his passport, the process revealed that he had been adopted by a devious woman who had taken him in, but had never told him her plans. </p><p>Today he has transformed his life into one of purpose and healing. </p><p>This is Forrest's journey.</p><p><a href="https://a.co/d/iZk8gAK" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Angel Blue - A Song of Redemption</a>, by Forrest Lang</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/253-]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">4fea2f36-d7c5-48ab-b30e-d7599f371334</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/6f24ca9a-eb9c-4169-b31f-abe143151cfa/253-Forrest-Lang-The-Veteran-Community-Helped-Me-Save-Myself.mp3" length="44392702" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>46:14</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>16</itunes:season><itunes:episode>253</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>253</podcast:episode><podcast:season>16</podcast:season><podcast:chapters url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/chapter-6f24ca9a-eb9c-4169-b31f-abe143151cfa.json" type="application/json+chapters"/></item><item><title>252 - Stoicism and Radical Acceptance</title><itunes:title>252 - Stoicism and Radical Acceptance</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p> Raised in the mountains of the midwest, Misty endured neglect and abuse when she was a child. She took matters into her own hands to separate from her family, survived a period in foster care, then was adopted by her extended family. Misty, was forced to learn what life should be like in a properly functioning family while unlearning what she had experienced in her first family. Today Misty uses lessons from her past to maintain stoicism to move forward in life.</p><p>This is Misty's journey. </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Raised in the mountains of the midwest, Misty endured neglect and abuse when she was a child. She took matters into her own hands to separate from her family, survived a period in foster care, then was adopted by her extended family. Misty, was forced to learn what life should be like in a properly functioning family while unlearning what she had experienced in her first family. Today Misty uses lessons from her past to maintain stoicism to move forward in life.</p><p>This is Misty's journey. </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/252-]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">59c0b5ee-ecec-4a30-a96e-efbd557909c9</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/4d5bbb13-692e-44ec-8144-635df23f88d0/252-Stoicism-and-Radical-Acceptance.mp3" length="47333779" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>49:18</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>16</itunes:season><itunes:episode>252</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>252</podcast:episode><podcast:season>16</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/ae4e02b9-5ccf-4cc5-8776-c373c88c8239/index.html" type="text/html"/><podcast:chapters url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/chapter-4d5bbb13-692e-44ec-8144-635df23f88d0.json" type="application/json+chapters"/></item><item><title>251 - Adult-Adoptees.com, Dr. Amy Geller</title><itunes:title>251 - Adult-Adoptees.com, Dr. Amy Geller</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Amy Geller, from Wykoff New Jersey, had  had an idyllic adopted life as the youngest child and the only girl in her family.  But an accidental discovery put her in front of her adoptive parents facing an uncomfortable situation and feelings she chose to bury. As a young adult, Amy was found by her birth mother, found herself angered by the intrusion, but had the presence of mind to pause to gather herself in order to enter reunion with caution.</p><p> Today, Amy is a therapist and adoption researcher with an exciting new online resource called <a href="https://www.Adult-Adoptees.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Adult-Adoptees.com</a>.</p><p>Ride with us on Peloton: #AdopteeVoices</p><p>This is Amy's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><strong>**New Book: </strong><a href="https://whoamireallypodcast.com/adopteeexperience/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>The Adoptee Experience</strong></a><strong> **</strong></li><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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As a young adult, Amy was found by her birth mother, found herself angered by the intrusion, but had the presence of mind to pause to gather herself in order to enter reunion with caution.</p><p> Today, Amy is a therapist and adoption researcher with an exciting new online resource called <a href="https://www.Adult-Adoptees.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Adult-Adoptees.com</a>.</p><p>Ride with us on Peloton: #AdopteeVoices</p><p>This is Amy's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><strong>**New Book: </strong><a href="https://whoamireallypodcast.com/adopteeexperience/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>The Adoptee Experience</strong></a><strong> **</strong></li><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/251-adult-adoptees-com-dr-amy-geller]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">159b6777-9ee6-4699-921c-8fe9f5113795</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d9bd51ba-a680-478c-a76d-71188284872d/Adult-Adoptees-com-Dr-Amy-Geller.mp3" length="49438203" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>51:30</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>16</itunes:season><itunes:episode>251</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>251</podcast:episode><podcast:season>16</podcast:season><podcast:chapters url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/chapter-d9bd51ba-a680-478c-a76d-71188284872d.json" type="application/json+chapters"/></item><item><title>119 – Refined By Fire</title><itunes:title>119 - Refined By Fire</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Tezita (te zi TA) called me from Sacramento, CA, but she tells a harrowing story that originates in Ethiopia. Tezita’s adopted family had many other international adoptees, but she was singled out for solitary confinement.&nbsp;She was sent back to her homeland where she thrived mentally in a boarding school away from her adopters.&nbsp;When she returned she witnessed more abuse and decided she’d had enough.&nbsp;Kicked out of the family, she was forced to thrive independently relying on her communities in faith and adoption.This is Tezita’s journey.&nbsp;</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tezita (te zi TA) called me from Sacramento, CA, but she tells a harrowing story that originates in Ethiopia. Tezita’s adopted family had many other international adoptees, but she was singled out for solitary confinement.&nbsp;She was sent back to her homeland where she thrived mentally in a boarding school away from her adopters.&nbsp;When she returned she witnessed more abuse and decided she’d had enough.&nbsp;Kicked out of the family, she was forced to thrive independently relying on her communities in faith and adoption.This is Tezita’s journey.&nbsp;</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/119-refined-by-fire]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">a582ca73-2837-4c50-b36d-5c619e0bb7d7</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/64e17f8c-cefa-438e-a4b9-84e032c2d1b5/119-refined-by-fire-final.mp3" length="85315241" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>59:15</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>6</itunes:season><itunes:episode>119</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>119</podcast:episode><podcast:season>6</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/d6a73035-2153-40d9-94c8-620bcc2192cc/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>113 – I Was Loved Everyday By People I Didn’t Know</title><itunes:title>113 - I Was Loved Everyday By People I Didn&apos;t Know</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Carrie called me from Lynchburg, Virginia.&nbsp;In her journey you’ll hear her talk about the moment she realized she was found, and how she was in contact with her birth parents at the same time one the same day.&nbsp;Carrie talks about two amazing reunions: one where she got to see her birth mother in competition, the other where she got to meet her maternal and paternal siblings together.&nbsp;She also talks about herself as an adoptive mother to a special young man who came into her life at a time when he needed her most. This is Carrie’s journey…&nbsp;</p><p>Carrie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=3.83" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:03</a>):</p><p>One reason why it's all been so positive for me is that, you know, the minute I learned that they were looking for me, it was kind of like, Oh, well, they really did want me, you know, like they really did. You know, it wasn't like I was just discarded or somebody's secret or anything. No.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=25.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:25</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Carrie. She called me from Lynchburg, Virginia, in her journey you'll hear her talk about the moment she realized she was found and how she was in contact with her birth parents at the same time. On the same day, Carrie talks about two amazing reunions. One where she got to see her birth mother in competition, the other, where she got to meet her maternal and paternal siblings together. She also talks about herself as an adoptive mother to a special young man who came into her life at a time when he needed her most. This is Carrie's journey.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=89.21" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:29</a>):</p><p>I had the good fortune to interview Carrie on January 2nd, 2020. I wished her a happy new year and added what a special anniversary this day was in her life. One year ago, that day was the first time Carrie had received an email from her biological mother over the holidays. Last year, she received a generic piece of mail that looked like a credit card offer or something. So she just stuffed it in her purse and dismissed it on new year's Eve. She was cleaning out her purse when she found the correspondence that said the sender's client was looking for someone that they thought might be Carrie, the woman who sent the letter was out for the holidays. So she didn't receive Carrie's reply until she returned to the office on January 2nd, 2019. Before we get to that though, let's go back to the beginning. I mean, you didn't think we were just going to jump right into the good part. Did you? I asked Carrie to tell me about adoption for her as a kid in her family and in her community. She said she was adopted at six weeks old from Catholic family services in Roanoke, Virginia. She grew up in a small town called Alta Vista, South of Lynchburg, Virginia.</p><p>Carrie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=165.05" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:45</a>):</p><p>I have had the most amazing parents. I mean, I have never wanted for anything. I've never known anything other than a house full of love, um, which has been super amazing. And, um, I think actually kind of this year has really highlighted that more for me and given me a bigger sense of appreciation for all that I have had growing up,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=188.37" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:08</a>):</p><p>Carrie had one brother, six years older than her. So he had his own set of friends. She said she was alone a lot. So she played make-believe games, did art and entertained herself. In her small town she grew up through school with nearly all of the same friends until she went away to college. She said when she was a kid, people in the community would often say she looked like her adopted mother.</p><p>Carrie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=214.11" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:34</a>):</p><p>She would look at me and be like, should we tell him? And so we would always say, you know, well, I'm adopted. And so I've known, you know, since before I can remember that I was adopted, um, it's never been secret or anything, you know, I don't even really remember how I found out. Uh, I just know that I've always known</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=233.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:53</a>):</p><p>Carrie said she always got support, love, hugs, and kisses. She can't even remember any tough discipline growing up. Carrie said she could go on and on about her parents and how she shares their taste in music. She's good at fixing things like her father and she enjoys having her mother edit her writing, even though as an English teacher, she can be pretty brutal. Carrie said that as adults, she and her brother have gotten closer these days, enjoying memories with their parents. Carrie went to show on university in North Carolina, graduating with a graphic design degree, then went on to old dominion university, achieving a master's in higher education. When she met her husband back in the Hampton roads area at ODU, they decided to move back to Lynchburg. So with what sounds like a wonderful life and no gaping holes to fill in her identity, I asked if she ever wanted to search for her biological relatives, access to the internet, sparked a nascent curiosity that had her going online, adding her name to adoption registries. But it was just a mild curiosity because it was the first time she had that level of access to information. Then a few years later,</p><p>Carrie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=308.55" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:08</a>):</p><p>Maybe two or three years into our marriage, um, uh, we were talking about, you know, maybe having kids and seeing how that would go. Um, you know, that got me really curious as far as like my medical history and all that kind of stuff, which I think is pretty common. A big question people have when they're adopted is, you know, what the heck? And especially like going to the doctors throughout my whole life, they're like, what's your family history? And I had to go through the whole thing. I don't know. You know? So, um, finally I was like, well, if I'm gonna try to bring a child into the world and I probably should have some information,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=348.15" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:48</a>):</p><p>One of Carrie's friends who had done extensive adoption research, turned his skills towards her story. Then he gave her some information about herself on a whim, on a shopping trip in Roanoke, Virginia, about an hour from her home, Carrie proposed dropping into the courthouse. She gave the clerk, the information, her friend had dug up about her. The woman went away, but came back empty handed, saying her records were sealed and Carrie would have to petition the court to access them. She wasn't so interested in accessing her information that she wanted to pursue a court case. So she just kind of let it go. That was five years ago, a short while after that, Carrie is going to work on the final day of a job that she was miserable in on that very last day of work.</p><p>Carrie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=399.19" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:39</a>):</p><p>I got an email from a guy, um, who thought that he might be my brother and he thought I was his sister. I mean, he had just learned that his mom has had a baby and given her up for adoption, same day that I was born from the same hospital where I was born. And so he was trying to find his sister. And so he had found my information on whatever that site was that I had registered on years ago. And so he just reached out to me, hoping that I was his sister and I wasn't, but I know it's really weird is this guy actually lived in the town where I had worked for four years. And I got the email from him the last day that I worked there because I had quit my job. And so it was my final day driving to this place. And this kid had emailed me and we shared pictures and I was convinced that we were, we were related, even people near me. You know, my friends were like, Oh my gosh, he looks just like you, you know, that can really be your brother. That's a very strange, very strange.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=457.63"...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carrie called me from Lynchburg, Virginia.&nbsp;In her journey you’ll hear her talk about the moment she realized she was found, and how she was in contact with her birth parents at the same time one the same day.&nbsp;Carrie talks about two amazing reunions: one where she got to see her birth mother in competition, the other where she got to meet her maternal and paternal siblings together.&nbsp;She also talks about herself as an adoptive mother to a special young man who came into her life at a time when he needed her most. This is Carrie’s journey…&nbsp;</p><p>Carrie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=3.83" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:03</a>):</p><p>One reason why it's all been so positive for me is that, you know, the minute I learned that they were looking for me, it was kind of like, Oh, well, they really did want me, you know, like they really did. You know, it wasn't like I was just discarded or somebody's secret or anything. No.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=25.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:25</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Carrie. She called me from Lynchburg, Virginia, in her journey you'll hear her talk about the moment she realized she was found and how she was in contact with her birth parents at the same time. On the same day, Carrie talks about two amazing reunions. One where she got to see her birth mother in competition, the other, where she got to meet her maternal and paternal siblings together. She also talks about herself as an adoptive mother to a special young man who came into her life at a time when he needed her most. This is Carrie's journey.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=89.21" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:29</a>):</p><p>I had the good fortune to interview Carrie on January 2nd, 2020. I wished her a happy new year and added what a special anniversary this day was in her life. One year ago, that day was the first time Carrie had received an email from her biological mother over the holidays. Last year, she received a generic piece of mail that looked like a credit card offer or something. So she just stuffed it in her purse and dismissed it on new year's Eve. She was cleaning out her purse when she found the correspondence that said the sender's client was looking for someone that they thought might be Carrie, the woman who sent the letter was out for the holidays. So she didn't receive Carrie's reply until she returned to the office on January 2nd, 2019. Before we get to that though, let's go back to the beginning. I mean, you didn't think we were just going to jump right into the good part. Did you? I asked Carrie to tell me about adoption for her as a kid in her family and in her community. She said she was adopted at six weeks old from Catholic family services in Roanoke, Virginia. She grew up in a small town called Alta Vista, South of Lynchburg, Virginia.</p><p>Carrie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=165.05" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:45</a>):</p><p>I have had the most amazing parents. I mean, I have never wanted for anything. I've never known anything other than a house full of love, um, which has been super amazing. And, um, I think actually kind of this year has really highlighted that more for me and given me a bigger sense of appreciation for all that I have had growing up,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=188.37" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:08</a>):</p><p>Carrie had one brother, six years older than her. So he had his own set of friends. She said she was alone a lot. So she played make-believe games, did art and entertained herself. In her small town she grew up through school with nearly all of the same friends until she went away to college. She said when she was a kid, people in the community would often say she looked like her adopted mother.</p><p>Carrie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=214.11" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:34</a>):</p><p>She would look at me and be like, should we tell him? And so we would always say, you know, well, I'm adopted. And so I've known, you know, since before I can remember that I was adopted, um, it's never been secret or anything, you know, I don't even really remember how I found out. Uh, I just know that I've always known</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=233.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:53</a>):</p><p>Carrie said she always got support, love, hugs, and kisses. She can't even remember any tough discipline growing up. Carrie said she could go on and on about her parents and how she shares their taste in music. She's good at fixing things like her father and she enjoys having her mother edit her writing, even though as an English teacher, she can be pretty brutal. Carrie said that as adults, she and her brother have gotten closer these days, enjoying memories with their parents. Carrie went to show on university in North Carolina, graduating with a graphic design degree, then went on to old dominion university, achieving a master's in higher education. When she met her husband back in the Hampton roads area at ODU, they decided to move back to Lynchburg. So with what sounds like a wonderful life and no gaping holes to fill in her identity, I asked if she ever wanted to search for her biological relatives, access to the internet, sparked a nascent curiosity that had her going online, adding her name to adoption registries. But it was just a mild curiosity because it was the first time she had that level of access to information. Then a few years later,</p><p>Carrie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=308.55" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:08</a>):</p><p>Maybe two or three years into our marriage, um, uh, we were talking about, you know, maybe having kids and seeing how that would go. Um, you know, that got me really curious as far as like my medical history and all that kind of stuff, which I think is pretty common. A big question people have when they're adopted is, you know, what the heck? And especially like going to the doctors throughout my whole life, they're like, what's your family history? And I had to go through the whole thing. I don't know. You know? So, um, finally I was like, well, if I'm gonna try to bring a child into the world and I probably should have some information,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=348.15" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:48</a>):</p><p>One of Carrie's friends who had done extensive adoption research, turned his skills towards her story. Then he gave her some information about herself on a whim, on a shopping trip in Roanoke, Virginia, about an hour from her home, Carrie proposed dropping into the courthouse. She gave the clerk, the information, her friend had dug up about her. The woman went away, but came back empty handed, saying her records were sealed and Carrie would have to petition the court to access them. She wasn't so interested in accessing her information that she wanted to pursue a court case. So she just kind of let it go. That was five years ago, a short while after that, Carrie is going to work on the final day of a job that she was miserable in on that very last day of work.</p><p>Carrie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=399.19" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:39</a>):</p><p>I got an email from a guy, um, who thought that he might be my brother and he thought I was his sister. I mean, he had just learned that his mom has had a baby and given her up for adoption, same day that I was born from the same hospital where I was born. And so he was trying to find his sister. And so he had found my information on whatever that site was that I had registered on years ago. And so he just reached out to me, hoping that I was his sister and I wasn't, but I know it's really weird is this guy actually lived in the town where I had worked for four years. And I got the email from him the last day that I worked there because I had quit my job. And so it was my final day driving to this place. And this kid had emailed me and we shared pictures and I was convinced that we were, we were related, even people near me. You know, my friends were like, Oh my gosh, he looks just like you, you know, that can really be your brother. That's a very strange, very strange.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=457.63" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:37</a>):</p><p>In December, 2018, Carrie got the nondescript letter that she thought looked like junk mail, but for whatever reason, she kept and put in her purse on Christmas Eve, Carrie cleaned out her purse and she opened the letter. She had stowed away. The author alluded to their client who was searching for a biological relative that the sender thought could possibly be Carrie and asked her to email or call.</p><p>Carrie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=484.3" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:04</a>):</p><p>Even when I finally opened it, I was like, Oh gosh, am I gonna, what am I going to do? Is this is Pam? I don't know. Do I want it? You nail them. I know it was crazy in my head for a little bit.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=493.9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:13</a>):</p><p>I can only imagine the woman was out of the office for the holiday break. So she emailed Carrie back on January 2nd, 2019. Carrie works as the secretary for a church that afternoon. It was quiet at work. No one was around just Carrie. The woman returned Carrie's email early that afternoon, asking for confirming details about her biological family to determine if they had made a match. Carrie confirmed her date of birth, the hospital, where she was born and the organization through which she was adopted. She also highlighted that her birth mother had five siblings, a distinguishing factor from the young man who reached out to about possibly being her brother. His mother only had one brother, the woman emailed a reply to say she was going to touch base with her client. Then get back to Carrie.</p><p>Carrie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=546.83" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:06</a>):</p><p>And like 20 minutes later, she emailed me again. And she said that, um, her client said that all of those things matched, you know, she had those many sisters and the knee surgery and she wanted to be a writer and she played softball and all these little things. And, uh, and that she was very, very certain that Pam was my biological mother. And so she asked what I wanted to do if I wanted to call her or what. And I said, well, just give her an email address for now, because this is so new. And you know, I'm like freaking out in the office. I'm like hyperventilating and crying. And like, nobody's there to help me with this or witnessed this happening, which I'm kinda thankful for. Cause it was nice to have my own private moment, I guess it was just really cool. And then maybe 10 minutes later, Pam emailed me and she said, hi, I'm Pam. And a lady tells me that you're in my birth. You know, my biological daughter. And um, you know, it was a very introductory email, you know, she's like, I live with my husband, we had two children, you know, it was just very basic. Like I'm Pam. I would love to get to know you</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=618.02" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:18</a>):</p><p>In reply. Carrie wrote back how crazy the whole thing was and that she was glad Pam had found her. Of course, in that brief period between Pam searcher, finding Carrie and Pam writing back, Carrie had Facebook investigated Pam. She saw Pam's photo a picture of her half sister and already recognized how much they looked alike during the email exchange. Pam asked if she could share Carrie's email address with her birth father and Carrie said, yes.</p><p>Carrie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=651.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:51</a>):</p><p>So then later in the evening he actually emailed me too. So I heard from both of them in the same day, it was nice. It was. Yeah. Yeah. So they're not together. Um, they were not together after my conception.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=667.13" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:07</a>):</p><p>I reiterated to Carrie what a massively heavy day. It must have been for her going from a letter. She nearly threw away before the holidays to emailing with both of her parents in the new year. She said the whole thing was just nuts in the best way possible. She described it like a lifetime movie playing out in front of her, except it was about her. Since Carrie was introduced to both of her birth parents on the same day, we decided to focus on her birth mother's piece of their story first. Pam sent Carrie a Facebook request to be in closer contact, but Carrie waited a while to accept the new connection. She wanted to make sure she spoke with her parents first. So they knew all that had happened so rapidly. And wouldn't surprised Carrie and Pam texted back and forth on Facebook messenger. First communicating with ease.</p><p>Carrie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=721.26" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:01</a>):</p><p>You just chatted. I mean like we had, you know, just known each other for a long time already. I mean, it was just, it was so easy. I mean she know questions, like why did you give me up for adoption? And you know what, my medical history and you know, all these, I mean, I asked all the questions and it was like one 24 hour period. Every question of my life has been answered. Um, so that was pretty amazing.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=749.19" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:29</a>):</p><p>And what was the story that she told you?</p><p>Carrie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=752.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:32</a>):</p><p>Um, well she says that her parents, she got pregnant when she was 17. Um, and her parents were not okay with it. Um, they were about their appearance and didn't like how that would look for their family. Um, and so they sent her away, um, when she was like four, four months pregnant, I think, um, to live with her sister in Roanoke, which is how I came to be in Virginia because the rest of the family is in Arizona. So that's actually something pretty crazy is, um, you know, I never in my whole entire life ever imagined that my biological family members would be anywhere other than Roanoke. And I know that's kind of small minded, I think, but looking back, I think it is, but it's, you know, I just never even thought, Oh, that could be somewhere else. And I can remember going to Roanoke, you know, we wouldn't go there often, but I mean, it's closer, bigger metropolis metropolis area from Lynchburg, we'd go there to shop or whatever.</p><p>Carrie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=816.99" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:36</a>):</p><p>And I can remember being hyper aware of the faces that I would see in Roanoke thinking, Oh my gosh, that person could be my mother or that person could be my brother or whatever. And we actually went to Roanoke not too long after the first email exchanges. And I remember thinking on the way there, you know, I don't, I don't have to do that anymore cause I know who the people are now and they're not in Roanoke. So her parents sent her away, um, and said, you know, go live with your sister and run off, have a baby. And if you want to come back and don't bring the baby back. And I think it was much worse than that. I mean, it's easier to talk about it for me because I mean, I was, you know, I was a baby I don't, I don't remember any of that, you know, but I know that it was very hurtful for Pam. I can't imagine being a 17 year old pregnant woman and going through that, I mean, it was 80, it was 1982 and they sent her away. I was born in 83. So, you know, unwed mothers was a big taboo thing. I mean,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=874.62" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">14:34</a>):</p><p>And even the way you described it, it may not have been verbatim what they said to her, but just the way you termed it, if you want to come back, don't bring the baby back. That in and of itself is harsh and like decisions</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=892.43" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">14:52</a>):</p><p>It's yeah, it's up to you. Um, and you know, you can either come back and be part of this family or by, and that sounds horrible.</p><p>Carrie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ay3MWG4jTEPtwqjXELzl7wIbfZjUxB-q0f7-YyqUfVkDV8sXJ73d-MhVIHtOF_Hux9lGzIPYiHDFAQa3EtyGfYznuYE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=901.9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">15:01</a>):</p><p>Yeah. I can imagine. I cannot imagine my parents trying to tell]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/113-i-was-loved-everyday-by-people-i-didnt-know]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">c9c4c02d-7e3f-48fc-8ff6-10d7cc05af08</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/a1c02ee9-06a5-4ad5-91d9-6a61deed866d/113-i-was-loved-everyday-by-people-i-didnt-know-final.mp3" length="69550896" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>48:18</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>6</itunes:season><itunes:episode>113</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>113</podcast:episode><podcast:season>6</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/5f72f6e4-66f3-4c43-ad04-8948a7fdaf0f/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>103 – Fixing The Fates</title><itunes:title>103 – Fixing The Fates</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Diane called me from St.&nbsp;Petersburg, Florida, but her’s is a story that originated in Germany. Diane tells the story of her parents wanting to form a family with her, but her grandmother frequently talking about her adoption such that no one could ever move on.&nbsp;On a trip back to Germany, Diane stood in the orphanage where her story originated, but answers to her questions were not to be had.&nbsp;It turned out that her birth father was her first connection, and he led her back to her birth mother’s family. Diane met her birth mother’s widower who said her mother always searched for her, and made him promise to&nbsp;accept her if Diane were ever found.</p><p>This is Diane’s journey</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/103-fixing-the-fates/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">103 – Fixing The Fates</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=0.07" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:00</a>):</p><p>Hey there. I just wanted to take a sec to let you know that I took time to write a book about my own adoption journey. It's called, who am I really? Of course, go to who am I really? podcast.com and click shop. I hope to make it to your reading list. Okay, here's this week's show.</p><p>Diane (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=22.15" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:22</a>):</p><p>He said, I've always wanted to meet you. She told me all about you. She told me that she was going to look for you and she did look for you that for the rest of her life she tried to find you and they couldn't. They wouldn't. They wouldn't let her have the records and he said during the 50s when they were courting, she had made him promise. She told him about me before they were married and she'd made him promise to be my father if she ever found me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=55.65" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:55</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=62.69" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:02</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and today you're going to meet Diane. She called me from st Petersburg, Florida, but hers is a story that originated in Germany. Diane tells the story of her parents wanting to form a family with her, but her grandmother frequently talking about her adoption such that no one could ever move on. On a trip back to Germany Diane stood in the orphanage where her story originated, but answers to her questions were not to be had. Diane met her birth mother's widower who said her mother always searched for her and made him promise to accept her. If Diane were ever found. This is Diane's journey. Diane was an only child in her adopted family in Philadelphia. She says her adoptive mother was related to the people who ran the orphanage she came from in Germany.</p><p>Diane (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=128.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:08</a>):</p><p>I had a kind of six degrees of separation kind of experience because my parents, my adoptive parents in Philadelphia were related to the person who ran the orphanage in Germany. Um, so what had happened was I was surrendered in a German orphanage at age one. Um, and prior to that I was in what's called a kinder home. So it's a children's home, but the mother, the biological mother can still visit you there. None of this I was aware of, but what I was aware of from a very early age and all along was that I was adopted and was that I was in a German orphanage and that my adoptive maternal grandmother's brother ran that orphanage, that he was a child psychologist. And the implication was always that, um, you know, I was lucky to escape the fate of being in that orphanage. I was lucky to have been brought to America, to these loving parents outside of Philadelphia and to be raised in this comfortable home. Um, so, so that was, my awareness was kind of a, a kind of survivor's guilt or, or a kind of a feeling of escape. Like I had escaped from something and I was just sort of like, whew, that's a good thing. You know, that's, that's past, that's behind me</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=220.57" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:40</a>):</p><p>as a first generation immigrant family. Her adoptive mother's mother had moved to the United States from Germany and she lived close to them in Philadelphia. They had many family meals together and it was she who communicated the idea that Diane had been lucky to escape and was very proud of the fact that her brother ran the orphanage and basically brokered Diane's adoption. He had sent her parents photos of Diane and made the recommendation for her adoption.</p><p>Diane (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=248.25" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:08</a>):</p><p>She communicated it. Um, I think she was proud of the role that she played in it. She was proud of her brother. I think my adoptive parents, they could have done with less of this story floating around all the time.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=261.9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:21</a>):</p><p>Why do you say that?</p><p>Diane (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=261.9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:21</a>):</p><p>Um, well I think they just wanted to get on with it. Right. They were coming out of that time of loss of not being able to conceive as a young married couple and they kind of wanted to put that period behind and they didn't, I think they wouldn't have kept that story alive as much as my grandmother did. Um, you know, she was always saying, well, I, I, I'm the one who went and got you. I flew over there and we got you from the orphanage and I brought you here. And they had this film of her descending the plane steps and those days you went down onto the tarmac and carrying me and bringing me into the terminal at Philadelphia airport and handing a to my, to my mother, my awaiting mother and father. So it was just this moment of pride that she had where I think my parents were much more interested in me assimilating and in them completing their lifelong wish or their wish together as a couple to have a child to kind of complete their family and to complete a dream, you know?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=332.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:32</a>):</p><p>Yeah. That's an interesting thing. It's in any sort of challenging, deeply emotional situation. There are those who want to move on from it. Like you want to acknowledge it, you have lived it, that has happened and now you know it's time to move on with life. And then there are those who have also been in this situation and they keep saying, you remember the time you remember back then? Oh my gosh, I remember when, and you, and they prevent you from moving forward. And it's, that can be an interesting juxtaposition for, and especially as you've said, your parents were trying to move on also from the probable pain of not being able to conceive a child themselves. And so here's, you know, her own mother, this was your mother's mother, you know, this is her, you're her own mother who's constantly saying, you remember the time when I brought you this baby? That must've been really tough. Huh?</p><p>Diane (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=391.9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:31</a>):</p><p>I really agree. And I think it's a brilliant point because there is a way in which the wound never quite healed over. Right. It's constantly being re-exposed. And I think that for my mother, I think that was aggravating. And for me, you know, I kind of adapted this source of pride. Like I assimilated my grandmothers message. I was lucky to be here. I was lucky to have this family. I was lucky to have this situation. Um, it was unique. It was somehow special. Um, it differentiated me. But then as time goes on, as a kid, you just want to blend in. You, you don't want this story anymore. You want to just be a cool kid like everybody else on the block and not be special anymore. And it won't go away.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=442.61" rel="noopener noreferrer"...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diane called me from St.&nbsp;Petersburg, Florida, but her’s is a story that originated in Germany. Diane tells the story of her parents wanting to form a family with her, but her grandmother frequently talking about her adoption such that no one could ever move on.&nbsp;On a trip back to Germany, Diane stood in the orphanage where her story originated, but answers to her questions were not to be had.&nbsp;It turned out that her birth father was her first connection, and he led her back to her birth mother’s family. Diane met her birth mother’s widower who said her mother always searched for her, and made him promise to&nbsp;accept her if Diane were ever found.</p><p>This is Diane’s journey</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/103-fixing-the-fates/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">103 – Fixing The Fates</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=0.07" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:00</a>):</p><p>Hey there. I just wanted to take a sec to let you know that I took time to write a book about my own adoption journey. It's called, who am I really? Of course, go to who am I really? podcast.com and click shop. I hope to make it to your reading list. Okay, here's this week's show.</p><p>Diane (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=22.15" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:22</a>):</p><p>He said, I've always wanted to meet you. She told me all about you. She told me that she was going to look for you and she did look for you that for the rest of her life she tried to find you and they couldn't. They wouldn't. They wouldn't let her have the records and he said during the 50s when they were courting, she had made him promise. She told him about me before they were married and she'd made him promise to be my father if she ever found me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=55.65" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:55</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=62.69" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:02</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and today you're going to meet Diane. She called me from st Petersburg, Florida, but hers is a story that originated in Germany. Diane tells the story of her parents wanting to form a family with her, but her grandmother frequently talking about her adoption such that no one could ever move on. On a trip back to Germany Diane stood in the orphanage where her story originated, but answers to her questions were not to be had. Diane met her birth mother's widower who said her mother always searched for her and made him promise to accept her. If Diane were ever found. This is Diane's journey. Diane was an only child in her adopted family in Philadelphia. She says her adoptive mother was related to the people who ran the orphanage she came from in Germany.</p><p>Diane (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=128.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:08</a>):</p><p>I had a kind of six degrees of separation kind of experience because my parents, my adoptive parents in Philadelphia were related to the person who ran the orphanage in Germany. Um, so what had happened was I was surrendered in a German orphanage at age one. Um, and prior to that I was in what's called a kinder home. So it's a children's home, but the mother, the biological mother can still visit you there. None of this I was aware of, but what I was aware of from a very early age and all along was that I was adopted and was that I was in a German orphanage and that my adoptive maternal grandmother's brother ran that orphanage, that he was a child psychologist. And the implication was always that, um, you know, I was lucky to escape the fate of being in that orphanage. I was lucky to have been brought to America, to these loving parents outside of Philadelphia and to be raised in this comfortable home. Um, so, so that was, my awareness was kind of a, a kind of survivor's guilt or, or a kind of a feeling of escape. Like I had escaped from something and I was just sort of like, whew, that's a good thing. You know, that's, that's past, that's behind me</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=220.57" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:40</a>):</p><p>as a first generation immigrant family. Her adoptive mother's mother had moved to the United States from Germany and she lived close to them in Philadelphia. They had many family meals together and it was she who communicated the idea that Diane had been lucky to escape and was very proud of the fact that her brother ran the orphanage and basically brokered Diane's adoption. He had sent her parents photos of Diane and made the recommendation for her adoption.</p><p>Diane (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=248.25" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:08</a>):</p><p>She communicated it. Um, I think she was proud of the role that she played in it. She was proud of her brother. I think my adoptive parents, they could have done with less of this story floating around all the time.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=261.9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:21</a>):</p><p>Why do you say that?</p><p>Diane (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=261.9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:21</a>):</p><p>Um, well I think they just wanted to get on with it. Right. They were coming out of that time of loss of not being able to conceive as a young married couple and they kind of wanted to put that period behind and they didn't, I think they wouldn't have kept that story alive as much as my grandmother did. Um, you know, she was always saying, well, I, I, I'm the one who went and got you. I flew over there and we got you from the orphanage and I brought you here. And they had this film of her descending the plane steps and those days you went down onto the tarmac and carrying me and bringing me into the terminal at Philadelphia airport and handing a to my, to my mother, my awaiting mother and father. So it was just this moment of pride that she had where I think my parents were much more interested in me assimilating and in them completing their lifelong wish or their wish together as a couple to have a child to kind of complete their family and to complete a dream, you know?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=332.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:32</a>):</p><p>Yeah. That's an interesting thing. It's in any sort of challenging, deeply emotional situation. There are those who want to move on from it. Like you want to acknowledge it, you have lived it, that has happened and now you know it's time to move on with life. And then there are those who have also been in this situation and they keep saying, you remember the time you remember back then? Oh my gosh, I remember when, and you, and they prevent you from moving forward. And it's, that can be an interesting juxtaposition for, and especially as you've said, your parents were trying to move on also from the probable pain of not being able to conceive a child themselves. And so here's, you know, her own mother, this was your mother's mother, you know, this is her, you're her own mother who's constantly saying, you remember the time when I brought you this baby? That must've been really tough. Huh?</p><p>Diane (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=391.9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:31</a>):</p><p>I really agree. And I think it's a brilliant point because there is a way in which the wound never quite healed over. Right. It's constantly being re-exposed. And I think that for my mother, I think that was aggravating. And for me, you know, I kind of adapted this source of pride. Like I assimilated my grandmothers message. I was lucky to be here. I was lucky to have this family. I was lucky to have this situation. Um, it was unique. It was somehow special. Um, it differentiated me. But then as time goes on, as a kid, you just want to blend in. You, you don't want this story anymore. You want to just be a cool kid like everybody else on the block and not be special anymore. And it won't go away.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=442.61" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:22</a>):</p><p>When Diane was about seven years old, she thought perhaps she was going to have an adopted sibling. She had opened her mother's desk drawer where she found an envelope with an assortment of photos of children, including herself.</p><p>Diane (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=456.13" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:36</a>):</p><p>And I saw my own picture and all these other kids. And I remember just like sitting back on my heels, like, you know the sweat, you know, you're just sort of perspire. You just are, you know, you're just hot. Suddenly. It's like,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=470.42" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:50</a>):</p><p>it's that adrenaline rush of,</p><p>Diane (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=472.64" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:52</a>):</p><p>right, right. And you're seeing actually the reason you came, you know, you there was you and there was this description of you and I was at, had a sunny disposition. That's what they said. Um, and I was, you know, and I was struck by that because I thought, well that's, I have to keep that up, right. I have to keep up that sunny disposition. Or else? I might have to be sent back, you know, returned or something. Um,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=499.47" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:19</a>):</p><p>it was like, it was, this was part of your, the sales pitch, the marketing material around you.</p><p>Diane (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=506.59" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:26</a>):</p><p>Exactly. This is how I was promoted. So I mean, um, but you know, I, I kind of was that same time, it got lodged into my consciousness at that point that I, that I had to keep that, that game on. So I had to ask her, you know, are you, am I getting a brother or sister or, you know, I had to obliquely ask or, um, it turns out that they never adopted other children. Um, so</p><p>Diane (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=535.98" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:55</a>):</p><p>my curiosity about what that might be like was, you know, if that was, that was the end of that.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=541.55" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:01</a>):</p><p>Hmm. That's really interesting. Can you remember examples of, of times when you felt like, Oh, this is one of those moments where I better look sunny and have a sunny disposition or just did it, how did it impact your personality? I mean, I get the impression that it was in fact very much part of you anyway. But I get the impression also that there were times when you thought to yourself, Ooh, this is might be one of those moments.</p><p>Diane (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=567.33" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:27</a>):</p><p>Well, you know, when you were like introduced, um, to other kids, like two other, you know, couples, kids and um, especially, you know, well, I mean it could be a girl or a boy, but, um, I can remember thinking, um, you know, because it would be, you know, if, especially if my grandmother was present, it would be, well, and she's the girl that we got, you know, from Germany. Um, and, and I'd be like, I just want that to go right. Or I just wanted to own the information. I said I was much too young to be able to say that that was what I was feeling, but I wanted to express it when I was ready to express it and on my own terms. Um, and so I might be thinking to myself, Oh, now that little boy knows that about me and I'd have to stand there and be kind of performing this happiness ritual of yes, you're, I am the happiest smiling child who was lucky to be in this family.</p><p>Diane (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=628.71" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:28</a>):</p><p>You know, and of course I was lucky there was but, but there is that lack of agency, right? There's no owning your situation. It's actually kind of um, manufactured for you, uh, on a kind of a continual basis. And, and I think that something that a lot of us adoptees really struggle with is just being able to own your own narrative. There's no way of preempting it. There's no way of holding it as your own until much later. You know, when you're out of the house and out of the story and, and, and you, you know, look like others and people don't know that you're necessarily adopted. And, um, that seems more organic to me and more natural.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=679.03" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:19</a>):</p><p>When Diane was 17 years old, her grandmother took her back to Germany. It was a coming of age Rite of passage for her, her grandmother. And adoptive mother had been returning to Germany for years, visiting family and friends in their home land. The family was making every effort to maintain their ancestral connections.</p><p>Diane (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=698.69" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:38</a>):</p><p>But of course for me it was much more loaded than that. I was tapping into something, a Lodestar, a kind of a home, um, if you will. And so for me it was completely different experience than going back and meeting all the aunts and uncles and sitting around and having coffee klatch and um, you know, yes, I, I was happy to learn about my German heritage. I was more than fascinated to learn more about my adoptive, um relatives. But there was something in me that was just instantly galvanized, you know, when my grandmothers said, okay, well we've gone to Germany now four or five times and now these aunts and uncles would like to meet you. And you know, it's time that you went back to, you know, our Homeland. And I'm thinking about, it's my homeland too. And you know, for me, I was instantly like riveted by the idea of going to Germany because I knew that for me it's symbolized much, much more than just it tripped back to the old country.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=763.31" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:43</a>):</p><p>Let's consider the family dynamic for just a moment. Diane's grandmother, a native German who only learned English when she arrived in the States, felt a deeper connection to her country than her daughter, a woman born and raised in America. So naturally the trips back to Germany meant a lot more to Diane's grandmother because she was truly going home to the place where she grew up. So Diane's parents didn't go with her on that first trip to Germany. It was just Diane and her grandmother. They visited her grandmother's family in a small town of only a few thousand inhabitants in the Southwest region of the country, a Northern suburb of Stuttgart. Diane knew from her grandmother that she was born in Stuttgart that the orphanage or Kindler Haim was also in stood guard and she got the sense that those details really should be enough to satisfy her about her own origins.</p><p>Diane (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=816.43" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:36</a>):</p><p>Just knowing this much would should be enough. And um, anything else would be when I met, finally met this uncle, um, my grandmother's brother, he told me flat out, but anything else would be just too confusing. And children were not meant to know about their biological families that would make their loyalties divided and they were only to have one family. That's how it was to be. And that the only way to cement that in your heart was to not know anything else about their biological family. But he held firm on this idea that one family. And of course inside me, I, there was just this loud protestation I thought, no, I love my parents. I will never not love my parents, my adoptive parents. I simply need to know. And also I was so close, you know, so channelizing here I was talking to people that I knew full well. He must know and, and no, but it was a kind of like the, the glass door just dropped down right there. Like just couldn't ask or you couldn't know. You could ask, but it was futile.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_0-tTafRguEpH547NpPpSHidwHfvweGlB5pSWhYc93mxUtZZy7sOwcg3UGSlAKvSM8CYSQvuOQykaSkJbFpfAK3g0K0?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=886.99" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">14:46</a>):</p><p>That glass door coming down, blocking Diane from]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/103-fixing-the-fates]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2574</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/92969a03-895f-4cba-bbbf-fdff69ec36f4/103-fixing-the-fates-final.mp3" length="76187014" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>52:54</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>5</itunes:season><itunes:episode>103</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>103</podcast:episode><podcast:season>5</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Diane called me from St. Petersburg, Florida, but her’s is a story that originated in Germany. Diane tells the story of her parents wanting to form a family with her, but her grandmother frequently talking about her adoption such that no one could ever move on. On a trip back to Germany, Diane stood in the orphanage…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>108 – On The Outside Is Where I’ve Always Been</title><itunes:title>108 - On The Outside Is Where I&apos;ve Always Been</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Pam, from Emeryville, CA, told me her desire to search started when&nbsp;she&nbsp;was a kid, but it was Oregon’s laws that changed everything for her search. When she met her birthmother she encountered a woman who couldn’t relay the details of her past, leaving Pam with only her&nbsp;paternal side of the story.&nbsp;He says that what is alleged against him is not true, but Pam is&nbsp;having a hard time forgiving the man.&nbsp;This is Pam’s journey.</p><p>Pam (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=4.19" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:04</a>):</p><p>So I thought that from the time I was 19, until I started meeting people in my mid thirties, that was part of my trying to identify what it meant to be alive. Even it's like, Oh, and then I thought, gosh, my mom might not want me to come find her because maybe I'm a traumatic thing. She wants to forget.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=32.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:32</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Pamela. She called me from Emeryville, California. Pam told me her desire to search started when she was a kid, but it was Oregon's laws that changed everything for her. When she met her birth mother, she encountered a woman who couldn't relay the details of her past leaving Pam with only her paternal side of the story. He says that what was alleged against him is not true, but Pam is having a hard time forgiving the man. This is Pam's journey. Pam grew up in a suburb of Portland, Oregon called Milwaukee and in Redmond, Washington and Pamela's family. They didn't ask about adoption when she was four or five. Her parents took time to convey that she was loved, chosen and special in her experience. She had everything a child could want and everything that came with what she called a privileged white, upper middle class upbringing and upbringing, devoid of emotion. I asked Pam what she meant by that.</p><p>Pam (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=126.71" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:06</a>):</p><p>I was discouraged from being an expressive child. They were very sort of stoic people. And so if I were to express some bright emotion, it would be tamped down somehow I would be told I was being hysterical or you know, these kinds of things. So it was just, I think we were really mismatched with each other. I'm a very warm emotive person and they were very cool unemotive. People.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=157.49" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:37</a>):</p><p>It sounded like her passion and fervor for life were not at all meant by her parents' personalities. She said, she always felt very odd and out of place. Pamela has one older brother non-biological to herself and her parents conceived one biological son as well. She's sandwiched between her brothers and they're all only about 16 months apart in age, she said in her toddler pictures, when you look at her adoptive mom, you can see she's expecting their younger brother. I was curious about how the siblings got along, especially since she and her older brother share an adoption kinship. I wondered if it drew them closer.</p><p>Pam (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=195.27" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:15</a>):</p><p>Actually, not really. No. My brothers are very close with each other and I'm kind of the, the black sheep person in the family. My oldest brother was adopted at birth and I was adopted later. Um, I was five months old and kind of came to my parents as a, uh, a special case. This child has been hard to place. Can you please take her kind of a thing? And so they did, and I didn't get returned, but I think as a traumatized infant, I think my mom just didn't really know how to address my emotional needs. There was no training for parents about how traumatic it is to be separated from your, your birth mother in this sort of thing. I mean, I just know it just didn't get discussed. And that the paradigm at that time was that, Oh, these children are a blank slate and they will never know any different.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=258.66" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:18</a>):</p><p>Pam said she was a very rebellious teenager. She ran away from home. She even stole the family car and drove to Canada with her friends.</p><p>Pam (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=267.96" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:27</a>):</p><p>I was pretty awful to them. I think that, uh, I had issues that I didn't have words for. So I acted out and it was hard for them or they just, they didn't know how to address my needs.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=283.65" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:43</a>):</p><p>I asked Pam what the catalyst was for her search. She said her parents sparked the flame that would burn within her when she was about eight years old.</p><p>Pam (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=292.47" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:52</a>):</p><p>When my parents explained to me about adoption and that I was adopted, they told me that I had parents who couldn't take care of me because they already had five children. So I thought, what, there's five siblings out there somewhere. And I thought, gosh, maybe, maybe some of those are sisters. Cause I had brothers didn't have a sister. So that was super compelling for me as a child that I had sisters out there or maybe had sisters out there. So that was always super compelling for me. And I knew the minute I could find anything and I could look, I was going to do it.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=335.31" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:35</a>):</p><p>She remembers being inquisitive about her adoption, but she sensed her mother's unwillingness to discuss the topic further. So she didn't broach the topic very often. Pam bided, her time listening to conversations between grownups waiting for them to divulge clues that she could hold on to. She said her mother had a baby book upstairs in her closet, but she didn't make it available to Pam. She seemed to believe it truly belonged to her. And it was not to be shared with Pam, even though it was all about her,</p><p>Pam (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=367.3" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:07</a>):</p><p>But I would go in there and sneak it down sometimes and look for clues, trying to figure stuff out, looking at pictures. And I remember at one point finding a letter that looked like it might've been from a previous care giver. I don't know who this person was, but I was obviously in their home. So I don't know if it was a foster home or if it was one of the placements that didn't work out. I'm not exactly sure. Um, but, um, I, I would just always be looking, looking for stuff</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=399.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:39</a>):</p><p>That letter from the caregiver or social worker or whatever, had some juicy stuff in it. And she was glad she found it. But Pam didn't try to search until the internet began to blossom as an information resource. She didn't know enough to search before then. So her efforts like signing up on adoption reunion, registries were purely shots in the dark at an unknown target. Pam decided to go into museum studies with the goal of being trained as a researcher, knowing that skill set would be really helpful in her search for answers about herself. But she said her search really began when the state of Oregon opened its adoption records in 1998, she went online, filled out the forms and sent in the application with her $25 fee. One summer afternoon in 2000 of very plain looking envelope from the state of Oregon showed up in the mail and she knew exactly what it was her unamended birth certificate.</p><p>Pam (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=459.01" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:39</a>):</p><p>And I thought, bingo, here we go. I'm going to have names now. Now I can really search. So I get this document. Oh my gosh. So I take it out and I look at it. I looked down at]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pam, from Emeryville, CA, told me her desire to search started when&nbsp;she&nbsp;was a kid, but it was Oregon’s laws that changed everything for her search. When she met her birthmother she encountered a woman who couldn’t relay the details of her past, leaving Pam with only her&nbsp;paternal side of the story.&nbsp;He says that what is alleged against him is not true, but Pam is&nbsp;having a hard time forgiving the man.&nbsp;This is Pam’s journey.</p><p>Pam (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=4.19" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:04</a>):</p><p>So I thought that from the time I was 19, until I started meeting people in my mid thirties, that was part of my trying to identify what it meant to be alive. Even it's like, Oh, and then I thought, gosh, my mom might not want me to come find her because maybe I'm a traumatic thing. She wants to forget.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=32.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:32</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Pamela. She called me from Emeryville, California. Pam told me her desire to search started when she was a kid, but it was Oregon's laws that changed everything for her. When she met her birth mother, she encountered a woman who couldn't relay the details of her past leaving Pam with only her paternal side of the story. He says that what was alleged against him is not true, but Pam is having a hard time forgiving the man. This is Pam's journey. Pam grew up in a suburb of Portland, Oregon called Milwaukee and in Redmond, Washington and Pamela's family. They didn't ask about adoption when she was four or five. Her parents took time to convey that she was loved, chosen and special in her experience. She had everything a child could want and everything that came with what she called a privileged white, upper middle class upbringing and upbringing, devoid of emotion. I asked Pam what she meant by that.</p><p>Pam (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=126.71" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:06</a>):</p><p>I was discouraged from being an expressive child. They were very sort of stoic people. And so if I were to express some bright emotion, it would be tamped down somehow I would be told I was being hysterical or you know, these kinds of things. So it was just, I think we were really mismatched with each other. I'm a very warm emotive person and they were very cool unemotive. People.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=157.49" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:37</a>):</p><p>It sounded like her passion and fervor for life were not at all meant by her parents' personalities. She said, she always felt very odd and out of place. Pamela has one older brother non-biological to herself and her parents conceived one biological son as well. She's sandwiched between her brothers and they're all only about 16 months apart in age, she said in her toddler pictures, when you look at her adoptive mom, you can see she's expecting their younger brother. I was curious about how the siblings got along, especially since she and her older brother share an adoption kinship. I wondered if it drew them closer.</p><p>Pam (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=195.27" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:15</a>):</p><p>Actually, not really. No. My brothers are very close with each other and I'm kind of the, the black sheep person in the family. My oldest brother was adopted at birth and I was adopted later. Um, I was five months old and kind of came to my parents as a, uh, a special case. This child has been hard to place. Can you please take her kind of a thing? And so they did, and I didn't get returned, but I think as a traumatized infant, I think my mom just didn't really know how to address my emotional needs. There was no training for parents about how traumatic it is to be separated from your, your birth mother in this sort of thing. I mean, I just know it just didn't get discussed. And that the paradigm at that time was that, Oh, these children are a blank slate and they will never know any different.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=258.66" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:18</a>):</p><p>Pam said she was a very rebellious teenager. She ran away from home. She even stole the family car and drove to Canada with her friends.</p><p>Pam (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=267.96" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:27</a>):</p><p>I was pretty awful to them. I think that, uh, I had issues that I didn't have words for. So I acted out and it was hard for them or they just, they didn't know how to address my needs.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=283.65" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:43</a>):</p><p>I asked Pam what the catalyst was for her search. She said her parents sparked the flame that would burn within her when she was about eight years old.</p><p>Pam (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=292.47" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:52</a>):</p><p>When my parents explained to me about adoption and that I was adopted, they told me that I had parents who couldn't take care of me because they already had five children. So I thought, what, there's five siblings out there somewhere. And I thought, gosh, maybe, maybe some of those are sisters. Cause I had brothers didn't have a sister. So that was super compelling for me as a child that I had sisters out there or maybe had sisters out there. So that was always super compelling for me. And I knew the minute I could find anything and I could look, I was going to do it.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=335.31" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:35</a>):</p><p>She remembers being inquisitive about her adoption, but she sensed her mother's unwillingness to discuss the topic further. So she didn't broach the topic very often. Pam bided, her time listening to conversations between grownups waiting for them to divulge clues that she could hold on to. She said her mother had a baby book upstairs in her closet, but she didn't make it available to Pam. She seemed to believe it truly belonged to her. And it was not to be shared with Pam, even though it was all about her,</p><p>Pam (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=367.3" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:07</a>):</p><p>But I would go in there and sneak it down sometimes and look for clues, trying to figure stuff out, looking at pictures. And I remember at one point finding a letter that looked like it might've been from a previous care giver. I don't know who this person was, but I was obviously in their home. So I don't know if it was a foster home or if it was one of the placements that didn't work out. I'm not exactly sure. Um, but, um, I, I would just always be looking, looking for stuff</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=399.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:39</a>):</p><p>That letter from the caregiver or social worker or whatever, had some juicy stuff in it. And she was glad she found it. But Pam didn't try to search until the internet began to blossom as an information resource. She didn't know enough to search before then. So her efforts like signing up on adoption reunion, registries were purely shots in the dark at an unknown target. Pam decided to go into museum studies with the goal of being trained as a researcher, knowing that skill set would be really helpful in her search for answers about herself. But she said her search really began when the state of Oregon opened its adoption records in 1998, she went online, filled out the forms and sent in the application with her $25 fee. One summer afternoon in 2000 of very plain looking envelope from the state of Oregon showed up in the mail and she knew exactly what it was her unamended birth certificate.</p><p>Pam (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=459.01" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:39</a>):</p><p>And I thought, bingo, here we go. I'm going to have names now. Now I can really search. So I get this document. Oh my gosh. So I take it out and I look at it. I looked down at her name and her last name is Jones.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=480.31" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:00</a>):</p><p>As Pam got older, her adoptive mother shared more details about her adoption that weren't appropriate for her as a child. She divulged that her birth father was not her birth mother's husband. So when Pam got her birth certificate, she was really surprised to see a man's name on it and happy to see that his last name was far less common. So she keyed her search on him, on her laptop. She went to Yahoo people, search where you used to be able to get all kinds of background information on an individual that you have to pay for access to today. She didn't find the man, but she found a woman with his unique, last name, Pam figured they had to be related. So she called the woman.</p><p>Pam (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=522.88" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:42</a>):</p><p>I said, I'm looking for this person. And she said, Oh, that's my cousin. Here's his number?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=528.34" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:48</a>):</p><p>The next call was to the man whose name appeared on her own birth certificate.</p><p>Pam (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=533.86" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:53</a>):</p><p>And I said, I don't, I don't know if you know who I am, but you're named on my birth certificate and I'm looking for my siblings. And he says, well, honey, I'm not your father. I was married to your mom and your siblings have been looking for you.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=553.61" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:13</a>):</p><p>Whoa, what'd you think when you heard that?</p><p>Pam (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=557.69" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:17</a>):</p><p>I was so happy. I was really, it hadn't occurred to me that I might be a secret, but I was really happy to know that they knew</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=569.54" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:29</a>):</p><p>The man put Pam in touch with her sisters. And they had lots of multiple hour telephone conversations. In July of 2000. Her sister, Margaret closest in age to Pam flew out West from Arkansas to stay with her.</p><p>Pam (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=583.52" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:43</a>):</p><p>Oh my gosh, we just, it sounds really silly, but we couldn't keep our hands off each other. We were braiding each other's hair and brushing each other's hair and hugging and holding hands. And we were just so delighted to be together. And she delighted in my kids and her son was a charming boy. And we went on little excursions together and saw the sites. And it was really fun.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=607.67" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:07</a>):</p><p>Margaret shared quite a bit about the family and the family members. Pam would meet in Arkansas. She described some family issues with drug physical and sexual abuse, sharing some horrific stories about her own childhood in the fall of 2000 Pam and her husband left their kids behind protecting them from potential harm to make the voyage to Arkansas, to suss out the situation for themselves. She and her husband flew into little rock. Then drove the hour South to star city.</p><p>Pam (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=639.11" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:39</a>):</p><p>My birth mother was still living at that time, but she'd had a series of strokes and she couldn't speak. I couldn't really have a conversation with her. Um, her husband was still able to care for her at that point. And um, we went and visited with her, um, spent an afternoon there and really, I just sat next to her and held her hand and my siblings and I kind of talk to each other while she could just sit and listen to us, you know? And she understood who I was. And she was so happy and delighted. She could say, I love you. Which was a lovely thing to hear. She could say she, she could say yes. And she could say, no, you could ask her yes or no questions, but sometimes she'd say no. When she meant yes. And vice versa, it wasn't any way to have any kind of meaningful conversation or what happened or anything like that. So a lot of those questions I don't have answers for, but it was good to meet her.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=709.521" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:49</a>):</p><p>Do you look like her?</p><p>Pam (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=712.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:52</a>):</p><p>Yes. Just like her.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=717.64" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:57</a>):</p><p>What was that like?</p><p>Pam (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=717.64" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:57</a>):</p><p>I couldn't really see it when I met her. I couldn't really see how I looked like any of them when I was there. And it didn't really become clear to me that I look like them until I saw pictures of them from varying times in their lives. When we did resemble each other more, not ever growing up around people that you look like, you don't really understand how people sort of morph. And sometimes they look like their mom is sometimes they look like their dad and you know, it, they, you change a lot as you age. And so it wasn't obvious to me until I stopped pictures. So it wasn't obvious to me when I saw her. And then after you've had a stroke, sometimes your, it changes your face because you can't control your muscles. So it couldn't really see myself. I saw pictures of her as a younger woman. I thought, Oh my God, I do. I was just like her. And now that I'm older, I definitely look like her.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=773.94" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:53</a>):</p><p>So the guy on Pam's birth certificate was not her biological father, but her sisters knew who the correct person was. And they gave her his identity. He was a man who lived in the sisters area. They always knew who he was. And he was always in their lives.</p><p>Pam (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=790.47" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:10</a>):</p><p>He was their father's cousin. So the man on my birth certificate, my father is his cousin.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=800.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:20</a>):</p><p>Oh, so she was with her husband's cousin?</p><p>Pam (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=806.97" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:26</a>):</p><p>Yes.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=809.25" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:29</a>):</p><p>Oh. Are the other five siblings? All the product of their marriage?</p><p>Pam (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=816.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:36</a>):</p><p>Yes.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/grVgoPGkQWx1SzeJqndGGrocNJz6cDkJCAKtRelPXieJA7SDAYRHwzpLEeiFEhU70YdebGpzeUM8udtWUk5T2DCFfeo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=818.28" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:38</a>):</p><p>So you were an outside child.</p><p>Pam (<a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/108-on-the-outside-is-where-ive-always-been]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">429f66c0-4fae-48bc-8dd4-ae854ebaeb2d</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/94552402-4546-4e91-ae8d-32ee519ae9a3/108-on-the-outside-is-where-i-ve-always-been.mp3" length="47728404" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>33:09</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>5</itunes:season><itunes:episode>108</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>108</podcast:episode><podcast:season>5</podcast:season></item><item><title>085 – A Bad Truth Is Better Than A Good Lie</title><itunes:title>085 – A Bad Truth Is Better Than A Good Lie</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>After the adoptive father she loved so much died, Alison learned her birth father, Tim, was looking for her and she took it as a good sign of things to come.&nbsp;Sadly she&nbsp;found&nbsp;herself disappointed in him, and later in her birth mother, Jean, whom he contacted without telling her. Alison had no idea her birthmother struggled with mental illness, so their contentious relationship was inexplicably challenging. After Alison took legal action to gain access to her adoption records from the agency that refused to turn over her information, she finally laid eyes on the detailed context of her past that meant so much to her, and only her.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Alison:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1.67" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:00:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I am the one that had no choice in this. Right? You know, like when you realize like, you know, my, my adopted parents had a choice. They choose, they chose to adopt. My birth mother had a choice, even though in some sense she didn’t, but there was still choices made, right? That weren’t my choices. I mean, I’m the only one that, that completely had no choice. So I realized that like, and this in reunion. I can choose who I have relationships with and who I don’t, you know, I, I, you know, so I realized it’s okay. Like I don’t need to make this work with my birth mother.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.19" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is, Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Alison. She called me from Massachusetts. After the adoptive father that she loved so much died, Alison learned her birth father was looking for her and she took it as a sign of good things to come. Sadly, she found herself disappointed in him and later in her birth mother whom he had contacted without telling her. However, after Alison took legal action to gain access to her adoption records from the agency who refused to turn over her information, she finally laid eyes on the detailed context of her past that means so much to her and only her. This is Alison’s journey. This is Alison.</p><p>Alison:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=100.81" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:01:40</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I just want to tell you, but I, you know, found your podcast not that long ago.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=105.39" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:01:45</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I always like to hear how the show is impactful for people.</p><p>Alison:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=109.42" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:01:49</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And um, I, I shot you an email after the first one I listened to, you interviewed your friend,</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=114.67" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:01:54</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;she’s talking about one of my lifelong buddies, Andre, whom I featured way back in my very first episode.</p><p>Alison:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=121.85" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:02:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And he, he actually used this person named Sheila Frankl in his search and at some point in my journey she helped me in actually getting my unredacted adoption record.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=133.5" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:02:13</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Are you serious?</p><p>Alison:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=135.69" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:02:15</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;No. Small world thing. I was like, oh my gosh. Like his story was so much like mine and then I listen.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=140.97" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:02:20</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That’s so amazing.</p><p>Alison:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=141.47" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:02:21</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, it was amazing. And then I’ve just been, you know, listening, I’m not done, but it’s impressive how many I’ve listened to. I would just, I’m always plugged in and I just like, just can’t believe you did this. Like it’s so good and there’s so many people like us and we need to hear each other’s stories. So, um, yeah. So I completely appreciate it. It’s really good.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=163.74" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:02:43</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;No, man, I really appreciate that. Thank you so much. And to now, here we are. Alison is episode 85 crazy how time flies in this small world of ours. Anyway, Alison’s parents had tried to have children for almost 10 years before they adopted her older brother Bradley in 1961. She was born in 1963, in Boston. Two years later, their mother gave birth to their sister after 15 years of infertility. Alison said she always knew she was adopted and her parents always made it special and tried to normalize it so much so that their sister,</p><p>Alison:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=201.98" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:03:21</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;my sister]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After the adoptive father she loved so much died, Alison learned her birth father, Tim, was looking for her and she took it as a good sign of things to come.&nbsp;Sadly she&nbsp;found&nbsp;herself disappointed in him, and later in her birth mother, Jean, whom he contacted without telling her. Alison had no idea her birthmother struggled with mental illness, so their contentious relationship was inexplicably challenging. After Alison took legal action to gain access to her adoption records from the agency that refused to turn over her information, she finally laid eyes on the detailed context of her past that meant so much to her, and only her.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Alison:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1.67" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:00:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I am the one that had no choice in this. Right? You know, like when you realize like, you know, my, my adopted parents had a choice. They choose, they chose to adopt. My birth mother had a choice, even though in some sense she didn’t, but there was still choices made, right? That weren’t my choices. I mean, I’m the only one that, that completely had no choice. So I realized that like, and this in reunion. I can choose who I have relationships with and who I don’t, you know, I, I, you know, so I realized it’s okay. Like I don’t need to make this work with my birth mother.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.19" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is, Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Alison. She called me from Massachusetts. After the adoptive father that she loved so much died, Alison learned her birth father was looking for her and she took it as a sign of good things to come. Sadly, she found herself disappointed in him and later in her birth mother whom he had contacted without telling her. However, after Alison took legal action to gain access to her adoption records from the agency who refused to turn over her information, she finally laid eyes on the detailed context of her past that means so much to her and only her. This is Alison’s journey. This is Alison.</p><p>Alison:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=100.81" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:01:40</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I just want to tell you, but I, you know, found your podcast not that long ago.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=105.39" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:01:45</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I always like to hear how the show is impactful for people.</p><p>Alison:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=109.42" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:01:49</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And um, I, I shot you an email after the first one I listened to, you interviewed your friend,</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=114.67" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:01:54</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;she’s talking about one of my lifelong buddies, Andre, whom I featured way back in my very first episode.</p><p>Alison:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=121.85" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:02:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And he, he actually used this person named Sheila Frankl in his search and at some point in my journey she helped me in actually getting my unredacted adoption record.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=133.5" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:02:13</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Are you serious?</p><p>Alison:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=135.69" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:02:15</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;No. Small world thing. I was like, oh my gosh. Like his story was so much like mine and then I listen.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=140.97" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:02:20</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That’s so amazing.</p><p>Alison:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=141.47" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:02:21</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, it was amazing. And then I’ve just been, you know, listening, I’m not done, but it’s impressive how many I’ve listened to. I would just, I’m always plugged in and I just like, just can’t believe you did this. Like it’s so good and there’s so many people like us and we need to hear each other’s stories. So, um, yeah. So I completely appreciate it. It’s really good.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=163.74" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:02:43</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;No, man, I really appreciate that. Thank you so much. And to now, here we are. Alison is episode 85 crazy how time flies in this small world of ours. Anyway, Alison’s parents had tried to have children for almost 10 years before they adopted her older brother Bradley in 1961. She was born in 1963, in Boston. Two years later, their mother gave birth to their sister after 15 years of infertility. Alison said she always knew she was adopted and her parents always made it special and tried to normalize it so much so that their sister,</p><p>Alison:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=201.98" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:03:21</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;my sister actually had voiced, you know, like when we’re young adults, you know, a little bit of sadness that she wasn’t adopted. My parents made like such a big deal about it that she always felt like, well, who’s gonna make a big deal out of me? You know? Um, so you know, like, you know, funny cause she is important and we all love her and um, but she was just kind of like, you know, I just wish I was also picked out special. Um, which is sort of the vernacular back then, which isn’t used now in adoption. But that’s, you know, kind of how I think, you know, parents were kind of coached to, to share that with their adopted kids.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=234.85" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:03:54</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That’s interesting. You know, I never really thought about that. That, you know, there’s a lot of uh, discussion online and with folks who are, you know, considering adoption or who have adopted and how they should treat their adopted children. And you know, I, I have mixed emotions about sort of having a birthday for the child and a, I hate the word Gotcha Day, but the, the idea of bringing the child home like the day that we became a family, because if you are just trying to be normal, like constantly raising it can actually keep it at the forefront of your mind if you want to just forget and just be yourself. And I hadn’t really considered what it means for a biological child of the parents to have to endure that. That’s really interesting.</p><p>Alison:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=280.83" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:04:40</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah isn’t that Interesting? Yeah, it was, it was really a thing for her. I mean, she wasn’t joking. She, it really, it, it bothered her.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=286.96" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:04:46</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah I could see that. Oh yeah,</p><p>Alison:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=288.45" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:04:48</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;yeah, yeah, yeah. Me Too. Um, and you know, and, and, and, you know, on the flip side, I was actually, you know, one of my struggles being adopted was not so much the longing for my birth parents, but I just wish that I had been born to my parents that adopted me. Do you know what I mean? Like, I just wish I was just, their’s.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=309.05" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:05:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Why? What did you feel to make you want that?</p><p>Alison:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=310.24" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:05:10</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;you know, there’s some othering I think that happens when you’re adopted. So for example, you know, like we were super open about adoption in my family and, um, so if I would share with somebody, you know, like people would always comment, so there’s three of us and people would say, oh my gosh, you guys don’t look alike. So we would, if whoever, whoever, it was in my family would say, oh, that’s because, you know, Alison and Bradley were adopted and Candace wasn’t or whatever. And people would often say like the weirdest stuff. Like, like, oh my Gosh, you know, my brother used to tease me that I was adopted and I was so upset. I was hysterical until my parents told me that I wasn’t like, you know, like it was seen as this like awful thing to be adopted. And now there’s another thing that happened to me is when, so my, my dad, my adopted father, passed away when I was 17 and it was, it was awful. And we were, we were really close. So I, you know, I had this part time job at a department store and I’d gone back to work like a week after he had died, but I was still a mess. And, um, so I had gone like to the break room into the bathroom to kind of collect myself. So I was know in the bathroom, like in a stall, like crying and wipe my eyes. And these two, two coworkers, who were also teenagers walked in and they were talking about me because they didn’t know I was in there. And one of them said, oh my gosh, you know, Alison is still upset about her father. And then the other one said, I don’t know why she’s so upset. He wasn’t even her real father.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=394.59" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:06:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh my gosh.</p><p>Alison:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=396.46" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:06:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. So things, you know, it’s like little things like that that I just didn’t like, I didn’t like that. It, it didn’t, I didn’t feel different in my family, but I know that other people saw me differently. Um, and I, yeah, I didn’t care for that.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=412.2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:06:52</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. Right.</p><p>Alison:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=412.99" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:06:52</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You know, I didn’t like,</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=413.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:06:53</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;yeah, that’s like what I was saying. You just want to feel normal. And if you’re constantly reminded of it, it’s kind of annoying. Right?</p><p>Alison:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=421.29" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:07:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You just want to feel normal. Right.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fZiIy_z6F3qsF3x_bNaT-6ScWWjkn1QQaQnPxnTL_vC4-ru-wbJT7lNAncraWFvJm0ibiGwQBlG5vujE8UNtsyoAL3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=422.76" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:07:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Alison followed up by pointing out that their two youngest children are also adoptees and they love making a big deal out of the day they were adopted too. They were older at the time of...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/085-a-bad-truth-is-better-than-a-good-lie]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2386</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/7eeced09-bab4-4933-b597-9a1c796d968e/085-a-bad-truth-is-better-than-a-good-lie-final.mp3" length="73872168" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:16:57</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>4</itunes:season><itunes:episode>85</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>85</podcast:episode><podcast:season>4</podcast:season><itunes:summary>After the adoptive father she loved so much died, Alison learned her birth father, Tim, was looking for her and she took it as a good sign of things to come. Sadly she found herself disappointed in him, and later in her birth mother, Jean, whom he contacted without telling her. Alison had no idea her birthmother struggled…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>126 – Welcome Home</title><itunes:title>126 - Welcome Home</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Andrew lives in Murphy, Oregon, near Grant’s Pass but his&nbsp;is an east coast story. Andrew grew up kinda feeling like an odd man out in his family, not fitting his parents ideas of who he would be.&nbsp;In an amazing coincidence, his pen pal&nbsp;relationship with an elementary school class was key to unlocking his adoption reunion search.&nbsp;The open road took him to meet his birth father who introduced him to his&nbsp;maternal grandmother.She welcomed Andrew at first, but ultimately she was&nbsp;unable to separate him from the&nbsp;memories of what his birthfather did to her daughter years before. This is Andrew’s journey.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew lives in Murphy, Oregon, near Grant’s Pass but his&nbsp;is an east coast story. Andrew grew up kinda feeling like an odd man out in his family, not fitting his parents ideas of who he would be.&nbsp;In an amazing coincidence, his pen pal&nbsp;relationship with an elementary school class was key to unlocking his adoption reunion search.&nbsp;The open road took him to meet his birth father who introduced him to his&nbsp;maternal grandmother.She welcomed Andrew at first, but ultimately she was&nbsp;unable to separate him from the&nbsp;memories of what his birthfather did to her daughter years before. This is Andrew’s journey.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/126-welcome-home]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">91ab5e4f-d753-4ceb-91da-319b3e797609</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 22 Feb 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/a186bbb3-5e50-462e-a3a9-95e6b636bf82/126-welcome-home-final.mp3" length="63986779" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>44:26</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>6</itunes:season><itunes:episode>126</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>126</podcast:episode><podcast:season>6</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/fa280416-1ca5-4bf6-9fe0-adc8912efddd/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>110 – We’ve Wanted This Our Whole Lives</title><itunes:title>110 – We’ve Wanted This Our Whole Lives</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Jessica is a rare native, born and raised, in Las Vegas, Nevada. She shares how she found her biological relatives through DNA testing despite her best attempts to get information from the Mormon church, an entity focused on global genealogy. Jessica discovered she looks like her birth families and has similar traits to them. But Jessica also learned that for all she has in common with her birth mother, and how much she wants to meet the woman, they are barred from seeing one another. This is Jessica’s journey.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jessica is a rare native, born and raised, in Las Vegas, Nevada. She shares how she found her biological relatives through DNA testing despite her best attempts to get information from the Mormon church, an entity focused on global genealogy. Jessica discovered she looks like her birth families and has similar traits to them. But Jessica also learned that for all she has in common with her birth mother, and how much she wants to meet the woman, they are barred from seeing one another. This is Jessica’s journey.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/110-weve-wanted-this-our-whole-lives]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">f8da8c83-b3f6-46fb-9f56-995acbd66b1e</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/707a9834-7989-45e6-9b1d-3ef57ff10dd3/110-weve-wanted-this-our-whole-lives-final.mp3" length="56484957" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>50:15</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>6</itunes:season><itunes:episode>110</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>110</podcast:episode><podcast:season>6</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/db412955-e22b-4355-b9c0-59e71640a0b4/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>095 – I Tested Her To See If She’d Give Up</title><itunes:title>095 – I Tested Her To See If She’d Give Up</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Laura&nbsp;called me via&nbsp;Skype, would you believe, from Falkirk Scotland.&nbsp;Laura told the story of her childhood knowledge that she might have siblings out in the world, and her quest to meet them.&nbsp;When she met her biological mother things started slowly as Laura tested the woman to make sure she wasn’t going to leave again&nbsp;— and she didn’t&nbsp;— then she did.&nbsp;Laura’s developed a great connection with her paternal sister, even though Laura never got to meet her biological father. This is Laura’s journey.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/095-i-tested-her-to-see-if-shed-give-up/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">095 – I Tested Her To See If She’d Give Up</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Laura (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.52" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:03</a>):</p><p>Yeah,</p><p>Laura (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.86" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:03</a>):</p><p>That would see her call and she would text me and I just, I couldn't, I didn't feel able to respond. I was too frightened to answer and to go into, I don't know why I was maybe texting her, maybe just to see if she would give up on me, but she doesn't.</p><p>intro (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=24.24" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:24</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who</p><p>intro (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=27.39" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:27</a>):</p><p>am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=31.45" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:31</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Laura. She called me via Skype. Would you believe from fallkirk, Scotland. Laura told me the story of her childhood knowledge that she might have siblings out in the world and her quest to meet them when she met her biological mother. Things started out slowly as Laura tested the woman to make sure she wasn't going to leave again and she didn't. Then she did. Laura developed a great connection with her paternal sister even though Laura never got to meet her biological father. This is Laura's journey. If you heard last week show with Barry, you're probably wondering what's up with all of these guests from Scotland all of a sudden, I promise you it was purely coincidence that Laura's story followed his. Laura made time to speak with me after running two races that morning, uh, 5k and a 10K. so as we settled into her recovery time, I asked Laura to take me back to the beginning of her journey, which started in Alloa Clackmannanshire. And yes, I really wanted to say Clapman Shire.</p><p>Laura (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=108.58" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:48</a>):</p><p>Well, I feel like I approach my own story with caution because so much of it is only known from the social work records that I have and from the stories that my adoptive parents told me. Um, from what I know, my parents, who I was born to, were and our relationship for our own nine months. And that came to an abrupt end upon the discovery of my mom being pregnant with me. And I think she only discovered that pregnancy at around five months. Then so quietly, wow. My parents worked in the hotel trade. My mum was a training trainee chef and my dad was a waiter and when I was born, my mother was aged 20 and my dad was 33 so she was quite young. And my dad, my dad was fairly young, but he was in the middle of a, a second divorce. Um, so I think maybe my mom had been an affair or maybe I rebound following the breakdown of his marriage. Um, so I often wonder if when I was conceived and by what, by what accident of failed contraception or drunk and forgetfulness, I came to be, eh, but the, the decision to have me placed and to care seemed to send around, eh, the lack of support that my mom had from my father and from our family. And maybe I'll lack of confidence on her part and perhaps a lack of money because where she was working, she, you still have end the hotels. And when I was born she was living in homeless accommodation.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=205.74" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:25</a>):</p><p>So Laura's birth mother was living in a homeless shelter that September while she was in the hospital for eight days before moving to foster care. She stayed there for three months until she met her adoptive parents who took her home in December of that year. Laura was rattling off the facts of her chapter one backstory when she said this,</p><p>Laura (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=225.29" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:45</a>):</p><p>If it feels so unpassionate, they talk to them about the story because it doesn't feel like it's about me. The fact I was born with a different name. It makes it feel like that baby is someone else.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=234.65" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:54</a>):</p><p>I know.</p><p>Laura (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=236.06" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:56</a>):</p><p>it feels like recounting the story of a stranger, but for as long as I can remember, I knew that I was adopted and it felt like my family accessed it as ghosts walking around. In my mind. They weren't physically there, but it felt like they would ever present.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=254.18" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:14</a>):</p><p>Are you referring to your birth family?</p><p>Laura (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=256.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:16</a>):</p><p>Yeah. Yeah. it felt like. it felt like my birth family, I knew, I knew that they were there, but for whatever reason I wasn't sure why I didn't ask bucket and half of them. Um, so it was a bit strange.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=269.64" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:29</a>):</p><p>Laura's adoptive parents mentioned to her one day that there was a possibility that she had biological siblings. The announcement made her really curious about what parts of herself were out there. I asked Laura about when she remembered having that ghostly feeling.</p><p>Laura (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=284.58" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:44</a>):</p><p>I think one day my adoptive mom and I were having an argument. I was only maybe about seven or eight and I think I was misbehaving and I must've really upset my adoptive mum and she said to me, in anger. You know, you can go back to your birth mom, we can send you back. And my reply was when I'm at that stage, she got really, really angry and I think it was from then it seemed to validate that my family were real and that they were out there, I wonder what they looked like. I became a lot more conscious of the fact that I didn't look like anyone and I think that's when, that's when it became more prominent. I think</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=331.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:31</a>):</p><p>Laura describes herself as having fair light, blonde hair in a family of Brown haired parents. It wasn't a stark difference enough to prevent her from passing as their child with others, but it was striking to her that she had no similarities with them. No one's mouth, eyes, nose or jawline. She said the differences weren't significant to her. Just noticeable. But it became pronounced when she noticed the joy her parents, other people took and comparing themselves to their own parents. Of course, family similarities and dissimilarities are not limited to physical traits. Did you notice any differences in your own personality traits in likes and dislikes?</p><p>Laura (<a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura&nbsp;called me via&nbsp;Skype, would you believe, from Falkirk Scotland.&nbsp;Laura told the story of her childhood knowledge that she might have siblings out in the world, and her quest to meet them.&nbsp;When she met her biological mother things started slowly as Laura tested the woman to make sure she wasn’t going to leave again&nbsp;— and she didn’t&nbsp;— then she did.&nbsp;Laura’s developed a great connection with her paternal sister, even though Laura never got to meet her biological father. This is Laura’s journey.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/095-i-tested-her-to-see-if-shed-give-up/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">095 – I Tested Her To See If She’d Give Up</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Laura (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.52" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:03</a>):</p><p>Yeah,</p><p>Laura (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.86" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:03</a>):</p><p>That would see her call and she would text me and I just, I couldn't, I didn't feel able to respond. I was too frightened to answer and to go into, I don't know why I was maybe texting her, maybe just to see if she would give up on me, but she doesn't.</p><p>intro (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=24.24" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:24</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who</p><p>intro (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=27.39" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:27</a>):</p><p>am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=31.45" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:31</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Laura. She called me via Skype. Would you believe from fallkirk, Scotland. Laura told me the story of her childhood knowledge that she might have siblings out in the world and her quest to meet them when she met her biological mother. Things started out slowly as Laura tested the woman to make sure she wasn't going to leave again and she didn't. Then she did. Laura developed a great connection with her paternal sister even though Laura never got to meet her biological father. This is Laura's journey. If you heard last week show with Barry, you're probably wondering what's up with all of these guests from Scotland all of a sudden, I promise you it was purely coincidence that Laura's story followed his. Laura made time to speak with me after running two races that morning, uh, 5k and a 10K. so as we settled into her recovery time, I asked Laura to take me back to the beginning of her journey, which started in Alloa Clackmannanshire. And yes, I really wanted to say Clapman Shire.</p><p>Laura (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=108.58" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:48</a>):</p><p>Well, I feel like I approach my own story with caution because so much of it is only known from the social work records that I have and from the stories that my adoptive parents told me. Um, from what I know, my parents, who I was born to, were and our relationship for our own nine months. And that came to an abrupt end upon the discovery of my mom being pregnant with me. And I think she only discovered that pregnancy at around five months. Then so quietly, wow. My parents worked in the hotel trade. My mum was a training trainee chef and my dad was a waiter and when I was born, my mother was aged 20 and my dad was 33 so she was quite young. And my dad, my dad was fairly young, but he was in the middle of a, a second divorce. Um, so I think maybe my mom had been an affair or maybe I rebound following the breakdown of his marriage. Um, so I often wonder if when I was conceived and by what, by what accident of failed contraception or drunk and forgetfulness, I came to be, eh, but the, the decision to have me placed and to care seemed to send around, eh, the lack of support that my mom had from my father and from our family. And maybe I'll lack of confidence on her part and perhaps a lack of money because where she was working, she, you still have end the hotels. And when I was born she was living in homeless accommodation.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=205.74" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:25</a>):</p><p>So Laura's birth mother was living in a homeless shelter that September while she was in the hospital for eight days before moving to foster care. She stayed there for three months until she met her adoptive parents who took her home in December of that year. Laura was rattling off the facts of her chapter one backstory when she said this,</p><p>Laura (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=225.29" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:45</a>):</p><p>If it feels so unpassionate, they talk to them about the story because it doesn't feel like it's about me. The fact I was born with a different name. It makes it feel like that baby is someone else.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=234.65" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:54</a>):</p><p>I know.</p><p>Laura (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=236.06" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:56</a>):</p><p>it feels like recounting the story of a stranger, but for as long as I can remember, I knew that I was adopted and it felt like my family accessed it as ghosts walking around. In my mind. They weren't physically there, but it felt like they would ever present.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=254.18" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:14</a>):</p><p>Are you referring to your birth family?</p><p>Laura (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=256.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:16</a>):</p><p>Yeah. Yeah. it felt like. it felt like my birth family, I knew, I knew that they were there, but for whatever reason I wasn't sure why I didn't ask bucket and half of them. Um, so it was a bit strange.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=269.64" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:29</a>):</p><p>Laura's adoptive parents mentioned to her one day that there was a possibility that she had biological siblings. The announcement made her really curious about what parts of herself were out there. I asked Laura about when she remembered having that ghostly feeling.</p><p>Laura (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=284.58" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:44</a>):</p><p>I think one day my adoptive mom and I were having an argument. I was only maybe about seven or eight and I think I was misbehaving and I must've really upset my adoptive mum and she said to me, in anger. You know, you can go back to your birth mom, we can send you back. And my reply was when I'm at that stage, she got really, really angry and I think it was from then it seemed to validate that my family were real and that they were out there, I wonder what they looked like. I became a lot more conscious of the fact that I didn't look like anyone and I think that's when, that's when it became more prominent. I think</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=331.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:31</a>):</p><p>Laura describes herself as having fair light, blonde hair in a family of Brown haired parents. It wasn't a stark difference enough to prevent her from passing as their child with others, but it was striking to her that she had no similarities with them. No one's mouth, eyes, nose or jawline. She said the differences weren't significant to her. Just noticeable. But it became pronounced when she noticed the joy her parents, other people took and comparing themselves to their own parents. Of course, family similarities and dissimilarities are not limited to physical traits. Did you notice any differences in your own personality traits in likes and dislikes?</p><p>Laura (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=372.98" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:12</a>):</p><p>I think so. My adoptive parents were very hands on practical people. They light scalped and then they like sewing and they're like DIY and I was never into these things at all. I was into reading books and writing stories and drawing and things like that and where they were very outgoing and party animals. I was very quiet and introverted. I think. So. I don't know. I don't know if I was the child that they expected or the child that they ideally would have wanted. Maybe it would have been different if I'd been born to them. Maybe that some of that would come to me through the, through the genes.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=410.51" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:50</a>):</p><p>Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. It's a, it's a wonder that, uh, people feel like the child that they get is going to somehow be molded into the person that they want.</p><p>Laura (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=422.39" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:02</a>):</p><p>Yeah.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=423.38" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:03</a>):</p><p>And I think it's only become realized by a lot of parents these days that you know, this blank slate idea is not at all valid because the giant does in fact come with a lot of heredity. They know that that was passed on to them. I was curious to know whether Laura knew any other adoptees growing up. Sometimes that can reduce the otherness that an adoptee feels and prevents them from feeling like some kind of pariah. She knew one other kid at school whose brothers and sisters were also adopted. The adoption narrative they received was positive, like the children had been saved or given a better life. So Laura bought into that mentality. She was very pleased to be with her family even though she was confused about why she couldn't know her birth family. When I asked about the catalyst for Laura's search, she said she'd always had some social worker sourced information about her birth family, but it wasn't until she was 17 years old in 2007 that she was legally allowed to view her original birth certificate. She left the social work department with a copy of her OBC, which documented the name Laura was given when she was born. Ashley, from the moment she received that document, it was pretty much a given that she was going to search. Laura and her adoptive mother went to visit a social worker who gave her the information. She told us in the beginning the relationship between her parents, et cetera. The social worker initiated a search for her birth mother and before long they were facilitating a letter exchange because they'd found her. Her name is Isabelle. The social worker shared that she had moved out of Scotland, gotten married, and had more children. That news didn't sit well with Laura</p><p>Laura (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=528.17" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:48</a>):</p><p>After me. She had gotten married and she had two boys, and I remember when I found out the age of my brothers, so at the time I was 17 and I think around at one brother was five and the other one was 14 and when I found that out, I felt really angry.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=548.37" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:08</a>):</p><p>Where were you angry?</p><p>Laura (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=549.96" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:09</a>):</p><p>I felt angry that she, I felt she'd moved on too quickly and had another boy, and I felt jealous and angry that he got to stay. But I didn't express that anger at all. I think I hope that I kept that under wraps because I thought if the social worker sees I'm angry or if it gets back to her I'm angry, it may sabotage things.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=571.88" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:31</a>):</p><p>In her intro letter to Isabelle, Laura tried to play things nonchalant and portrayed a positive adoption experience. She painted a happy picture for this woman to come into and tried to not to convey that she had missed this woman whom she didn't actually know her birth mother's response letter went something like this.</p><p>Laura (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=589.64" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:49</a>):</p><p>The sort of tone of it was that our life had been quite difficult and she'd had to make some hard choices. She explained that she got married, had the two boys, and then the marriage broke down and she moved with the two boys to Northern Ireland. She didn't go into too much detail, but she said the marriage had been difficult. Um, she said that she hoped, she was glad to hear that my life had been good and she said that she would be coming over to Scotland quite soon with the boys so that they could see their dad and that she hoped to meet me then. So all seemed quite positive for me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=627.02" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:27</a>):</p><p>Excellent. Yeah. At least for starters. Yeah. So were you, were you in any way comforted by just the fact that she wanted to be in touch, that you were corresponding, that you had connected with this person?</p><p>Laura (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=638.57" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:38</a>):</p><p>Definitely. I had been, I think coached and counseled for the possibility of her, not wanting contact. And I think, I think, I thought I was ready to deal with that. But I think if that had been the case, I think it would have affected me hugely in ways that I could never have contemplated. Fortunately that wasn't the case. Um, but looking back now, I think our relationship could have used a lot more support than we got. As we moved on to reunion together,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=666.29" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:06</a>):</p><p>Their social worker arranged a meeting at a local restaurant for the mother and daughter to meet. Isabel caught a taxi. Laura drove herself as she had just gotten her license. Their social worker met them outside in the parking lot</p><p>Laura (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=679.85" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:19</a>):</p><p>And I just don't remember her getting out of the taxi and coming up to me and I remember that she didn't look like the person that thought she was going to look in the head. I think. I think I've always had a 20 year old girl in my head and she stayed like that. And my mind, she didn't age and my mind, our face, I think in my, in my mind I had my mother who looked like someone softer when the social work helped me and got my records for me. They found some photographs of my mom and I together in the hospital when I was, so I would have seen them when I was 17 um yeah, all those before I met her and she obviously looked younger and when I met her she was 37 so not old, but you know, she looked different to have a thought and I think that was a bit of a shock. Um, I didn't know what to do with our, I thought do I cuddle her, do I shake her hand? What do I do? I'm not really sure if I remember who I had done. I just remember looking and wondering how, how do I feel about this person is there's something I should feel as there is a rope that should be between our two hearts pulling us together. I wasn't sure. I don't think we touched, I think we say hello and I think we moved quite quickly into their shrunk together. With the social worker</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=762.341" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:42</a>):</p><p>That's really interesting. You don't recall shaking hands, hugging anything. You just sort of walked parallel into the restaurant?</p><p>Laura (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ctBwuR26vRaTIDMiDK7B7Km1deg79H83p-djM8PxK9xNLyW3_e6Rqjqq-LOFdxm_lR2AuyxewZcCrjJsk9SNs2K96FU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=769.53" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:49</a>):</p><p>I think so. I think so. I remember my first physical contact with her...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/095-i-tested-her-to-see-if-shed-give-up]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2519</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 08 Feb 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/7ee899ac-caf1-4d0a-9588-f266cbcab11b/095-i-tested-her-to-see-if-shed-give-up-final.mp3" length="44273550" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>46:07</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>5</itunes:season><itunes:episode>95</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>95</podcast:episode><podcast:season>5</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Laura called me via Skype, would you believe, from Falkirk Scotland. Laura told the story of her childhood knowledge that she might have siblings out in the world, and her quest to meet them. When she met her biological mother things started slowly as Laura tested the woman to make sure she wasn’t going to leave again — and she…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>109 – You Can’t Change The Past</title><itunes:title>109 - You Can&apos;t Change The Past</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Dan has barely told anyone the his whole story until this episode.&nbsp;He shared that he was in the neonatal intensive care unit (NICU) as an infant. Then his son's rare medical condition and his wife’s ability to share her heredity while he could not was a catalyst for his search.&nbsp;Dan is thankful for the warm welcome he’s received in his paternal family, and is still hoping that his birthmother will come around to wanting to know him. This is Dan's Journey.</p><p>Dan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=4.67" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:04</a>):</p><p>I kind of find it ironic that now that I found my birth father, that my birth parents had passed away. So it's like, I hear a lot of people when you try to read to your birth parents, it's like your chapter one in the beginning. You don't know that. But now that I met them, I'm getting more about my beginning, but I don't have my parents to give me chapters one and two, you know, when you're real young and you don't remember everything,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:30</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.6" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:35</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Daniel. He called me from Nicholasville, Kentucky. Dan has barely told anyone his whole story until this episode, he shared that his son's rare medical condition and his wife's ability to share her heredity while he could not was a catalyst for his search. Dan is thankful for the warm welcome he's received in his paternal family and is still hoping that his birth mother will come around to wanting to know him. This is Dan's journey. Daniel was born in January of 1980, adopted four months later after he spent that period of time in the neonatal intensive care unit, the NICU.</p><p>Dan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=94.28" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:34</a>):</p><p>So I was born six weeks premature, and I had some brain and lung issues. So I was in the NICU for the first four months of life. The doctor didn't think I would live to two may never walk and could be blind.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=108.26" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:48</a>):</p><p>Dan's adoptive parents had a variety of personal setbacks that prevented them from getting pregnant. But four years after Dan was born, his little brother who is biological to their parents was conceived. They grew up out in the country, outside of Morgantown, West Virginia, and the brothers got along just fine. Their father's side of the family lived nearby. So all of the kids just ran up and down from house to house, taking advantage of being outdoors.</p><p>Dan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=135.59" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:15</a>):</p><p>Two of my uncles live within a mile of me, so we could walk. I could walk house to house and run around and displaying the neighborhood.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=142.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:22</a>):</p><p>That's incredible. That's some of the best growing up, man, when you can just go between house to house, safe and sound. No worries.</p><p>Dan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=151.04" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:31</a>):</p><p>Go run around to the woods in the neighborhood and play, stick guns and just run around. And so, yeah,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=157.43" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:37</a>):</p><p>I love that. That's really amazing. Yeah. Dan said he never felt out of place in his family. He said he always knew he was adopted. And his adopted mother used to talk about his birth mother calling her by name. Dan said, he'd share more about that later. In his fourth grade health class, Dan learned what adoption truly meant. I asked him how felt when he learned the meaning of adoption at that age,</p><p>Dan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=183.12" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:03</a>):</p><p>I kind of cut kind of quiet about it. And what was interesting in my house, my mother was adopted around the age of eight. She was adopted, but learning later on when I became in my twenties and thirties, learning about her adoption, it's much different and darker in contrast to my own story. So I never really talked to her about it at all. Despite the commonality that we have. So, um, once I found out, I remember feeling kind of confused about why I was adopted and even though you're adopted and my family was great. It's still kind of like you fit in. You know, even though you fit in with your family, you still know there's something else. It's kind of different. If that makes sense.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=221.97" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:41</a>):</p><p>Dan kept quiet about adoption growing up, going on to graduate high school, attend the university of Kentucky for college, then earned his PhD in biomedical engineering. It was in grad school where he met his wife and they eventually had a son together the whole time Dan's own adoption. Never really came up as a topic of discussion.</p><p>Dan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=242.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:02</a>):</p><p>All honesty. No, I kept it to myself. I think I told my wife while we were dating. And then I really didn't bring it up hardly at all with anybody, I guess I didn't know how to talk about, so I wasn't sure how to process it. So I just never talked about it. So for me to come on this podcast to talk to you is kind of a big step.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=262.26" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:22</a>):</p><p>Wow. Well, thanks for doing it, man. You're going to, yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how you feel at the other end, after having delved into everything. And then I'm sure you're going to help somebody else by sharing your own story too.</p><p>Dan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=274.41" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:34</a>):</p><p>That's a part of the reason I agreed to do it. Cause I contact you and I'll talk about it here a little bit later when we get into the search of how I found the podcast while I was searching.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=283.41" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:43</a>):</p><p>Interesting. Well, that's exactly what I was going to getting ready to turn to then is you sound like you found out what adoption truly meant when you were maybe eight years old. Fourth grade? Yeah. About eight or nine. Yeah. You kept it in the back of your mind. Never really talked about it at all. You revealed it to your wife when you, before you got married when you started dating, but that was it. So what was the catalyst for you to even begin a search? Because it sounds like you pushed it down and didn't really have any interest in, in looking. What was, what, what sparked your interest? All of a sudden</p><p>Dan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=317.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:17</a>):</p><p>The first one started in 2010 when my father passed away. So I started thinking, what if it's too late? I don't want to hear a second hand about my biological parents. I'd like to be able to at least meet them or talk to them hopefully and see if the name that I had initially for my birth mother was correct.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=335.91" rel="noopener noreferrer"...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan has barely told anyone the his whole story until this episode.&nbsp;He shared that he was in the neonatal intensive care unit (NICU) as an infant. Then his son's rare medical condition and his wife’s ability to share her heredity while he could not was a catalyst for his search.&nbsp;Dan is thankful for the warm welcome he’s received in his paternal family, and is still hoping that his birthmother will come around to wanting to know him. This is Dan's Journey.</p><p>Dan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=4.67" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:04</a>):</p><p>I kind of find it ironic that now that I found my birth father, that my birth parents had passed away. So it's like, I hear a lot of people when you try to read to your birth parents, it's like your chapter one in the beginning. You don't know that. But now that I met them, I'm getting more about my beginning, but I don't have my parents to give me chapters one and two, you know, when you're real young and you don't remember everything,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:30</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.6" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:35</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Daniel. He called me from Nicholasville, Kentucky. Dan has barely told anyone his whole story until this episode, he shared that his son's rare medical condition and his wife's ability to share her heredity while he could not was a catalyst for his search. Dan is thankful for the warm welcome he's received in his paternal family and is still hoping that his birth mother will come around to wanting to know him. This is Dan's journey. Daniel was born in January of 1980, adopted four months later after he spent that period of time in the neonatal intensive care unit, the NICU.</p><p>Dan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=94.28" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:34</a>):</p><p>So I was born six weeks premature, and I had some brain and lung issues. So I was in the NICU for the first four months of life. The doctor didn't think I would live to two may never walk and could be blind.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=108.26" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:48</a>):</p><p>Dan's adoptive parents had a variety of personal setbacks that prevented them from getting pregnant. But four years after Dan was born, his little brother who is biological to their parents was conceived. They grew up out in the country, outside of Morgantown, West Virginia, and the brothers got along just fine. Their father's side of the family lived nearby. So all of the kids just ran up and down from house to house, taking advantage of being outdoors.</p><p>Dan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=135.59" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:15</a>):</p><p>Two of my uncles live within a mile of me, so we could walk. I could walk house to house and run around and displaying the neighborhood.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=142.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:22</a>):</p><p>That's incredible. That's some of the best growing up, man, when you can just go between house to house, safe and sound. No worries.</p><p>Dan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=151.04" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:31</a>):</p><p>Go run around to the woods in the neighborhood and play, stick guns and just run around. And so, yeah,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=157.43" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:37</a>):</p><p>I love that. That's really amazing. Yeah. Dan said he never felt out of place in his family. He said he always knew he was adopted. And his adopted mother used to talk about his birth mother calling her by name. Dan said, he'd share more about that later. In his fourth grade health class, Dan learned what adoption truly meant. I asked him how felt when he learned the meaning of adoption at that age,</p><p>Dan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=183.12" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:03</a>):</p><p>I kind of cut kind of quiet about it. And what was interesting in my house, my mother was adopted around the age of eight. She was adopted, but learning later on when I became in my twenties and thirties, learning about her adoption, it's much different and darker in contrast to my own story. So I never really talked to her about it at all. Despite the commonality that we have. So, um, once I found out, I remember feeling kind of confused about why I was adopted and even though you're adopted and my family was great. It's still kind of like you fit in. You know, even though you fit in with your family, you still know there's something else. It's kind of different. If that makes sense.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=221.97" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:41</a>):</p><p>Dan kept quiet about adoption growing up, going on to graduate high school, attend the university of Kentucky for college, then earned his PhD in biomedical engineering. It was in grad school where he met his wife and they eventually had a son together the whole time Dan's own adoption. Never really came up as a topic of discussion.</p><p>Dan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=242.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:02</a>):</p><p>All honesty. No, I kept it to myself. I think I told my wife while we were dating. And then I really didn't bring it up hardly at all with anybody, I guess I didn't know how to talk about, so I wasn't sure how to process it. So I just never talked about it. So for me to come on this podcast to talk to you is kind of a big step.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=262.26" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:22</a>):</p><p>Wow. Well, thanks for doing it, man. You're going to, yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how you feel at the other end, after having delved into everything. And then I'm sure you're going to help somebody else by sharing your own story too.</p><p>Dan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=274.41" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:34</a>):</p><p>That's a part of the reason I agreed to do it. Cause I contact you and I'll talk about it here a little bit later when we get into the search of how I found the podcast while I was searching.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=283.41" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:43</a>):</p><p>Interesting. Well, that's exactly what I was going to getting ready to turn to then is you sound like you found out what adoption truly meant when you were maybe eight years old. Fourth grade? Yeah. About eight or nine. Yeah. You kept it in the back of your mind. Never really talked about it at all. You revealed it to your wife when you, before you got married when you started dating, but that was it. So what was the catalyst for you to even begin a search? Because it sounds like you pushed it down and didn't really have any interest in, in looking. What was, what, what sparked your interest? All of a sudden</p><p>Dan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=317.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:17</a>):</p><p>The first one started in 2010 when my father passed away. So I started thinking, what if it's too late? I don't want to hear a second hand about my biological parents. I'd like to be able to at least meet them or talk to them hopefully and see if the name that I had initially for my birth mother was correct.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=335.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:35</a>):</p><p>Dan started searching in 2010 using the name his adoptive mother had for his birth mother. He said that at the time he was adopted, one of the wristbands on his tiny arm had the woman's name on it, identifying them as mother and son. So his mom secretly jotted the name down, then wrote it in Danny's baby book. For later, she also scribbled the non identifying information. She knew in the book. In 2011, he applied for his non-identifying information, receiving a huge packet in the mail from the state of West Virginia.</p><p>Dan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=368.71" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:08</a>):</p><p>So at basically gave me some information about my medical history and said I was born early and that my birth mother intended to use a private agency to facilitate the adoption. But the agency said I was too sick and that no one would probably want me. So that's why she went to the state to facilitate the adoption. You said I had some issues with my lung, an affection and a brain bleed. And again, they said they probably probably wouldn't survive. So I was born about eight weeks early.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=398.14" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:38</a>):</p><p>Let me ask you this, just on that, because you've raised your, your challenges at birth more than once. And how was it for you to read those details about yourself? I guess there's two pieces to that. One if they have manifested themselves in you throughout your life, as an adult, then you would have lived with it and it probably didn't strike you, but like just tell me, what did it feel like to learn those details about yourself as an infant?</p><p>Dan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=427.3" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:07</a>):</p><p>Well, I, oddly enough knew pretty much about them growing up. And in fact, I remember in high school having to write like a book about myself from, you know, age zero to 18 and you know, my mom helped write my first chapters in my life and telling how I was in the hospital then. So when I learned about it, when I got my down in identifying information, it just really kind of confirmed what I already knew. So it wasn't anything really shocking, I guess the most shocking part would be that she attempted to use an agency and that she's like, no, you're, he's too sick. And then she had to go to the state. So I guess that if anything would be the most shocking or eye opening part where it's like they can pick and choose the agencies kind of. So that was probably the most opening part. And from listening to your podcast and the other ones and joining some Facebook group, that's probably the most eyeopening part. It's like, no, we're going to pass you off to the state.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=483.01" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:03</a>):</p><p>Yeah, I can't help. But think of that situation almost like product quality control.</p><p>Dan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=493.36" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:13</a>):</p><p>Yes. That's, that's probably what I kind of the biggest opening eyes about adoption in a whole that I kind of, you know, after here, again, hearing your podcast and looking on the internet, just kind of realizing that the most eyeopening part. Yeah,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=507.43" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:27</a>):</p><p>No, you you're teaching me something here because I can't say that I really had ever focused in on this piece. I've, you know, I've often heard adoption referred to as, you know, a moneymaker and you know, some of the, in a, in a commercialized entity and things like that. And, and I understand it in theory, but I've never really thought truly about what you just said, that as, you know, you envision a product coming down the assembly line and you know, the mechanical arm sweeps the bad ones away. That's really, that's really fascinating. I just never really thought that that was a piece of it. Thank you for that. The non identifying information stated that his birth mother was home for Christmas. Then Dan was born. It described the relationship in which he was conceived as a summer fling.</p><p>Dan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=564.74" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:24</a>):</p><p>It did note that my birth mother contacted my birth father shortly after the birth and that a social worker also talked about him or talked about me. So it did indicate that my birth father knew I was born. So anyway, so when I get the letter, initially, it says we've deleted all names, deleted all non-identifying information. So I looked through my 30 pages information and from that information, I could find my full birth father's name in the file. So</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=593.39" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:53</a>):</p><p>Somehow the man's name had been left in the case notes. He was even able to piece together his birth mother's name, even though he already had that information. Dan figured out what state his biological parents were from. And he learned his birth mother's career goals. With those clues. Dan went online.</p><p>Dan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=611.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:11</a>):</p><p>I took that information in 2011 and was able to find my birth mother on Facebook. And I sent her a meshes in 2011 and never heard back from her. So I kind of just dropped it. And then at the same time, I was looking for my birth father, but he had a very common name. So it was impossible for me to find him in 2011. So I kind of just dropped it. I just went, okay. I didn't hear any saying, who knows. Maybe I had the wrong person. Maybe the information was wrong. So I really didn't think about it again until 2017, when my mother, all of a sudden, a passed away. And even then I decided not to look at all. It wasn't again, till November of 2017. And my son was almost one and a half and he started walking, but he had a little bit of a gait issue.</p><p>Dan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=659.45" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:59</a>):</p><p>So our pediatrician said, Hey, why don't you go to a hospital nearby and get him checked out for his gait issue? See if it's something with his bones. So at his two year checkup, it turned out it wasn't any single bones, but he was still walking a little bit funny. So we went ahead and started physical therapy and it was in the August of 2018. The physical therapist said, he's not walking quite right. You really should go see a neurologist. So we went to a children's hospital locally nearby, and the neurologist checked him out and he ended up, they were thinking he had musclar dystrophy and ended up turning out that he didn't have muscular dystrophy, but he had a really large belly and he's had a really large belly since birth. So she poked around on his liver and stomach area and did an ultrasound and come back that he had an enlarged liver and spleen with elevated liver enzymes. So the next week we ended up going back up to that hospital and seeing the GI doctors and after meeting with the GI doctors, the doctor said, I bet he has a rare condition called glycogen storage disease or GSD. And if you type in GSD on the internet, you'll come up with German shepherd dog,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=732.63" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:12</a>):</p><p>Which is not your son. So what, tell me, tell me what is GSD and is it something, what does it mean for his future?</p><p>Dan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X15fKgRhj8jgGSi_RxApPs02IoQWYgeGj887drs2_oax2uc9nUmnsTJC53R7daubSeWZWdtuJG0cifqTzqit_Uhqg7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=740.37" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:20</a>):</p><p>Okay, well, so GSD is actually a genetic disorder. So it's basically where your liver normally stores sugar for night. So after you eat the insulin, we'll take the sugar and put it in the liver. So when you're not eating or sleeping deliverable, then release the sugar back out into the body. So it'll keep the brain active and muscles active for you. Well, with glycogen storage disease, the liver will take in the sugar, but it will not release it. So you could become hypoglycemic. And there's two forms of glycogen storage disease. There's a very severe form where you have to eat every three to four hours to keep your blood sugar up or you become hypoglycemic...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/109-you-cant-change-the-past]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">649b86e4-45ae-4ca8-9d5d-580d486807ca</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 01 Feb 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c8fdfd37-4ec7-403f-9cdb-a131067302ee/109-you-can-t-change-the-past-final.mp3" length="57317419" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>39:48</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>5</itunes:season><itunes:episode>109</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>109</podcast:episode><podcast:season>5</podcast:season></item><item><title>083 – An Unbelievable Emotional Roller Coaster For Me</title><itunes:title>083 – An Unbelievable Emotional Roller Coaster For Me</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Before becoming an adoptee advocate&nbsp;Rich was searching for his own identity. As a child, his older adopted sister vengefully told him their&nbsp;mom wasn’t his real mother. It made him wonder who the other woman could be. When he was in college, his adoptive parents gave him an envelope of non-identifying&nbsp;information. Many years later they handed him another document that revealed his birth name. Rich found himself resenting their decision to withhold information from him that he clearly wanted.&nbsp;When he found his maternal aunt they discussed his birth mother enough to realize she wasn’t the only sister in the family to have relinquished a son in Denver.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Rich:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=0.19" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I started reading her the description of the birth father from my non identifying records and she got really quiet and she said, oh, this changes everything she goes, I know who your birth father was and so once we sorted it all out, we were both in bed for two days because she hadn’t known that her younger sister had done this.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.21" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Rich. He called me from Denver, Colorado where he works in adoptee advocacy, but before he took on that body of work, Rich was searching for his own identity. When he was in college, his adoptive parents gave him an envelope of non identifying information. Then years later he received another document with his birth name. When he found his maternal aunt, they discussed his birth mother enough to realize she wasn’t the only sister in the family to have relinquished a son in Denver. This is Rich’s journey. Rich has an older sister who was adopted, like himself, and a younger sister who was the biological child of his parents. Like many adoptive parents, they didn’t think they could conceive a child until she was born. They were set with their daughter and son they had adopted and there was no plans for any more children. It’s amazing how often that storyline is repeated in adoption. Interestingly, since adoption was such an open topic in their family, at one point their younger sister had a bit of an identity crisis.</p><p>Rich:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=123.54" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The funny thing, you know, how families show slides and baby pictures and that sort of thing. And um, my younger sister was the only one with the newborn new new newborn photos. And at one point she sort of had an existential crisis thinking that she was adopted too, but they just weren’t telling her.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=143.29" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:23</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh, interesting.</p><p>Rich:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=145.09" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:25</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You’re, you’re the only one with the pictures in which your purple.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=150.25" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:30</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Hmm.</p><p>Rich:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=152.17" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:32</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;They’ve got, they’ve got the evidence.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=154.2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. You’re new new newborn in this. Wow. That’s really fascinating. I’ve never heard anyone talk about their sibling who was biological to their parents having this alignment of their identification with you and your sister as adoptees before. That’s fascinating. Yeah. The mind of a child, you know, you want to be like those around you. And if the two out of the three children in your home are adoptees you must figure, oh, I must be adopted too.</p><p>Rich:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=183.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, and it was, it was a hot topic for a while, uh, because my, uh, older sister one day was angry with me and she presented it to me in a different light when she said, rather than saying you were adopted, a lot of them wanted and chosen and all those things that we hear. She said, mom’s not your real mom. And I was five at the time. It was, it was pretty devastating to me. It shook my world. I said, I just said, what? So she just repeated it. Nope. Mom’s not your real mom and sort of gloried in the triumph of having stunned me. And so of course I went and asked my mom about it and she explained that even though they’d said that we were adopted, that was different than thinking that there was another mom out there somewhere. And I really struggled with that.</p><p>Rich:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=240.7" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I moped around and was depressed and was saying, I wish I knew who my real mom was. And finally at one point she just said, well, I’m your real mom. She was your first mom. Something in my head said, okay, and we, we move forward with that. But it never, I always wanted to know. Uh, the unfortunate thing is, is she told me I would never know. And so that hung with me and there’s a part of me that was very saddened by that and the part of me that filed it away kind of like saying, well, we’ll, we’ll see. You know, we’ll see if I never...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before becoming an adoptee advocate&nbsp;Rich was searching for his own identity. As a child, his older adopted sister vengefully told him their&nbsp;mom wasn’t his real mother. It made him wonder who the other woman could be. When he was in college, his adoptive parents gave him an envelope of non-identifying&nbsp;information. Many years later they handed him another document that revealed his birth name. Rich found himself resenting their decision to withhold information from him that he clearly wanted.&nbsp;When he found his maternal aunt they discussed his birth mother enough to realize she wasn’t the only sister in the family to have relinquished a son in Denver.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Rich:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=0.19" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I started reading her the description of the birth father from my non identifying records and she got really quiet and she said, oh, this changes everything she goes, I know who your birth father was and so once we sorted it all out, we were both in bed for two days because she hadn’t known that her younger sister had done this.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.21" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Rich. He called me from Denver, Colorado where he works in adoptee advocacy, but before he took on that body of work, Rich was searching for his own identity. When he was in college, his adoptive parents gave him an envelope of non identifying information. Then years later he received another document with his birth name. When he found his maternal aunt, they discussed his birth mother enough to realize she wasn’t the only sister in the family to have relinquished a son in Denver. This is Rich’s journey. Rich has an older sister who was adopted, like himself, and a younger sister who was the biological child of his parents. Like many adoptive parents, they didn’t think they could conceive a child until she was born. They were set with their daughter and son they had adopted and there was no plans for any more children. It’s amazing how often that storyline is repeated in adoption. Interestingly, since adoption was such an open topic in their family, at one point their younger sister had a bit of an identity crisis.</p><p>Rich:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=123.54" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The funny thing, you know, how families show slides and baby pictures and that sort of thing. And um, my younger sister was the only one with the newborn new new newborn photos. And at one point she sort of had an existential crisis thinking that she was adopted too, but they just weren’t telling her.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=143.29" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:23</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh, interesting.</p><p>Rich:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=145.09" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:25</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You’re, you’re the only one with the pictures in which your purple.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=150.25" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:30</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Hmm.</p><p>Rich:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=152.17" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:32</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;They’ve got, they’ve got the evidence.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=154.2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. You’re new new newborn in this. Wow. That’s really fascinating. I’ve never heard anyone talk about their sibling who was biological to their parents having this alignment of their identification with you and your sister as adoptees before. That’s fascinating. Yeah. The mind of a child, you know, you want to be like those around you. And if the two out of the three children in your home are adoptees you must figure, oh, I must be adopted too.</p><p>Rich:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=183.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, and it was, it was a hot topic for a while, uh, because my, uh, older sister one day was angry with me and she presented it to me in a different light when she said, rather than saying you were adopted, a lot of them wanted and chosen and all those things that we hear. She said, mom’s not your real mom. And I was five at the time. It was, it was pretty devastating to me. It shook my world. I said, I just said, what? So she just repeated it. Nope. Mom’s not your real mom and sort of gloried in the triumph of having stunned me. And so of course I went and asked my mom about it and she explained that even though they’d said that we were adopted, that was different than thinking that there was another mom out there somewhere. And I really struggled with that.</p><p>Rich:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=240.7" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I moped around and was depressed and was saying, I wish I knew who my real mom was. And finally at one point she just said, well, I’m your real mom. She was your first mom. Something in my head said, okay, and we, we move forward with that. But it never, I always wanted to know. Uh, the unfortunate thing is, is she told me I would never know. And so that hung with me and there’s a part of me that was very saddened by that and the part of me that filed it away kind of like saying, well, we’ll, we’ll see. You know, we’ll see if I never know.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=279.69" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:39</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Rich said, other than that they had the quintessential suburban family. They went to church every Sunday, went on family vacations to see relatives and visit various states across the country. I asked Rich about the relative homogeneity of his family. I’m often curious about the visual clues a person might have that they are somehow different from their family members.</p><p>Rich:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=300.33" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And it was kinda funny because one day someone commented, that, my dad and I looked alike and we just sort of looked at each other and said, well, that’s funny. We both have blue eyes and we both have big ears, but that’s about as far as it went.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=316.69" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:16</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It’s pretty funny. I remember I used to do that too. You know, people would say that to my dad. Oh my gosh, he looks just like you. And immediately we would look at each other like, really do I? It’s funny, I used to say, I said, you know, my father passed away. I said in his, the sort of eulogy speech that I gave that I think that people saw more of the spirit that you picked up from the person in the fact that you’re there together interacting. Then they did actually, you know, a physical resemblance in my opinion.</p><p>Rich:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=347.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Right? I think so that you, you imitate mannerisms and gestures and even facial expressions. It’s the whole nature and nurture piece of the conversation.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=358.11" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:58</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I asked Rich to describe his personality traits as compared with those of his other family members. He said his parents were the post World War II generation, People who had a job to do and did it. They kept their commitments and they really applied themselves to their lives. He said their differences weren’t as apparent until he was old enough to be more contemplative about it all.</p><p>Rich:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=379.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:19</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Their biological heritage was mainly English and German, which, you know, if you want to stereotype cultures, tend to be a little more still like a little less communicative. And my biological heritage is Irish and Swedish and Scottish and a little bit of northern European mud. And so in that sense, I think I was wired pretty differently from what they were. And it wasn’t, it wasn’t clear at first, but I think that as I grew up and started to think more critically about our interaction and what was happening and um, some of the dynamics, I think that we really, I don’t know if we were oil and water, it’s not like, we had fights all the time or that kind of thing. It was just my internal expectation of how the world interacted was very different than theirs and at times it left me feeling, Eh, what’s the best word? Somewhere somewhere between not normal and crazy for thinking and communicating and wanting to interact the way that I wanted to and getting the message that this didn’t make sense.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=464.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:44</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Interesting. Around what age do you recall feeling that way and can you give me even the highest level example of something that exemplifies that feeling?</p><p>Rich:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=474.73" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:54</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Probably I would say initially maybe about age seven which interestingly enough is the age at which many adoptees and children in general start to develop the capacity to grieve, in second grade, I would have these crying jags at school and I didn’t know why. The teacher would say, what’s wrong? What’s happening? What? Did someone hit you? Did someone do something to you? And I couldn’t explain it and I said, I don’t know. I just can’t stop crying. I didn’t learn about that until years later. At Adoptees in Search here in Colorado when Ron Nydam, who is a therapist and an author mentioned that, where you just casually mentioned in passing in one of the talks he gave that eight, seven, or eight is when children develop a capacity to grieve. And that light went off right away. And so in in the midst of those feelings with my folks, I can remember feeling things. One night I walked into the living room and sort of stood at the edge. I think my mom was reading a book and my dad was reading a newspaper or something like that. And uh, my mom looked up and inside I had all these, moist emotions roiling around as she looked up and in a very pleasant tone and just said, how can I help you as if she was sort of, you know, the family waitress, but completely or seemingly unaware that anything wrong was going, was happening inside me. She was asking like, would you like a glass of milk? And so that’s probably my earliest memory of that.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=583.71" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:43</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And what, what happened when you, but you were, you were boiling inside, like the emotions were just raw. It sounds like,</p><p>Rich:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LFIPnrKGBQ2QDKDiIup3WzAfeaTHeJxix9_tJKQEzQgbUlJqASN0V9_l_dseRfY_uN82w2epcSj3GP1pGTSK9WeRwFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=590.99" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;right? It was. It was. I didn’t, I didn’t have words for what was going on, but probably probably at the time just would have helped a lot to have been hugged or held. We weren’t a particularly affectionate family, especially after a certain age. When we were little, you know, we were read to and sat on our mom’s lap, just that unite and that sort of thing. So as I said, I think pretty typical the generation, and it’s interesting because I’ve talked to people who are not adopted, men who were not adopted in particular, uh, about the dynamics in their family and how it impacted them. And it leads to an interesting conversation about what is related to adoption, what’s related to being raised by postwar parents. Many men were raised a certain way or emotionally traumatized by war and just not able to be as engaged emotionally or...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/083-an-unbelievable-emotional-roller-coaster-for-me]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2374</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 25 Jan 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d0bb00d4-abd4-4998-bd4d-51b11e13a705/083-an-unbelievable-emotional-roller-coaster-for-me-final.mp3" length="39620005" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>41:16</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>4</itunes:season><itunes:episode>83</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>83</podcast:episode><podcast:season>4</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Before becoming an adoptee advocate Rich was searching for his own identity. As a child, his older adopted sister vengefully told him their mom wasn’t his real mother. It made him wonder who the other woman could be. When he was in college, his adoptive parents gave him an envelope of non-identifying information. Many years later they handed…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>099 – We Were Both Missing Something In Our Lives</title><itunes:title>099 – We Were Both Missing Something In Our Lives</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Joseph is a really outdoorsy guy who lives in Edmonds, Washington, about 30 minutes north of Seattle. He likes mountain biking, trail running, camping and skiing. Joseph grew up in a family of several children, some biological, and one other adoptee you might already know. He told me that he never could have&nbsp;pinpointed&nbsp;what it was, but he&nbsp;always seemed to be searching for something. Joseph started his journey searching for answers from his biological mother about his adoption. Instead he found mystery surrounding her life, unanswered questions and a connection to his brother that means the most to him out of everything. This is Joseph’s journey.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/099-we-were-both-missing-something-in-our-lives/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">099 – We Were Both Missing Something In Our Lives</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Joseph (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=3.56" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:03</a>):</p><p>I'm not going to fault her. I mean I was adopted by by great parents and they've had a good family life. I've had a good life, but I was, it was hard to hear that the things behind my adoption were because of her addiction possibly. I guess the first thing that came to my mind was like I was not her priority.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=32.97" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:32</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Joseph. He called me from Washington state. Joseph grew up in a family of several children, some biological and one other adoptee. You might already know. He told me that he never could have pinpointed what it was, but he always seemed to be searching for something. He started his journey searching for answers from his biological mother. Instead, he found mystery surrounding her life unanswered questions and a connection to his brother. That means the most to him out of everything. This is Joseph's journey.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=90.77" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:30</a>):</p><p>Joseph is a really outdoorsy guy who lives in Edmonds, Washington, about 30 minutes North of Seattle. He likes mountain biking trail running, camping and skiing, reflecting on his childhood. Joseph said his was pretty normal for the most part. He was adopted at almost two years old and they lived in central Washington. It was a middle class upbringing with five children in the family. His father was a civil engineer, so their family moved around occasionally for him to take jobs in public works. I asked him about his memory of being adopted at the age of two years old. I was going to ask you about whether you remembered a transition at two at all, if you had any sort of stark memory or any even general memory of just a transition of, of scenes. Like one minute you're in one place and even at two year old, two years old, you recognize like, Hey, this is a different place.</p><p>Joseph (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=148.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:28</a>):</p><p>What I can remember I have one memory, uh, prior to living with my adopted family and, and that was confirmed by my mom when I told her. I said, you know, I would have, I started having this reoccurring dream, which was me and this other girl playing with a red ball. And we were just bouncing it back and forth to each and for some reason I don't, I don't know how it happened, but when the ball came back to me, it hit me in the face.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=188.95" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:08</a>):</p><p>(laughter) Oh no.</p><p>Joseph (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=188.95" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:08</a>):</p><p>And uh, you know, I just remember crying because I think it just kinda, it wasn't anything out of malice or anything. I just remember we were applying and the ball got out of control and hit me in the face. And I remember the girl like really holding me and saying, you know, I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. And my mom said, you know, that was probably your foster sister Stacy. I was in foster care leading up to my adoption and that, that is my one and only memory.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=221.87" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:41</a>):</p><p>Joseph said that it wasn't until he was four years of age when he actually remembers his life when they lived in Richland, Washington. Recall that Joseph had four siblings. The two oldest are biological to their parents. His sister, Leslie was also adopted and their parents had one more biological child after Joseph and Leslie. Joseph said his earliest pictures of himself that he had seen before reunion were from the transitional period when his adoption was being processed. He was visiting with his adoptive family meeting and playing with his new siblings and staying the night.</p><p>Joseph (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=259.42" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:19</a>):</p><p>I had never seen any pictures of me as an infant, as a child, like a baby or anything like that, which was kind of significant for me. I'm someone who's really into photography. I love the medium and so, you know, like having pictures of me, were really important, you know, it, it really helps me look at, you know, my life as an adopted kid, so to speak. I don't know, I just, that's something that always resonated with me. And so I know that I was, was really curious to see, you know, pictures of me maybe with my biological mom or as me as an infant and my adopted mom and I, you know, we would talk about that a lot as well. Like it would just help me kind of complete the picture.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=312.67" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:12</a>):</p><p>Joseph said he and Leslie bonded over being the adoptees in the family.</p><p>Joseph (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=317.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:17</a>):</p><p>Uh, knowing that we were adopted was significant for both of us. Sometimes, you know, I can't speak for my sister Leslie, but for me, I felt like when things were, I dunno, like when we are frustrated with our parents or something, you know, like, you know, being told to do something we didn't want to do or having to go to bed at night early when the rest of the family got to stay up and watch television, we were like, this is, this isn't right. You know? And we've been, you know, the bonding of like us to say like, well, it's us against them. I certainly had that feeling. I had nothing against my family at all. I love my parents and I love my brothers and sisters tremendously. But, you know, when you're a little kid and you're feeling like it's you against the world, knowing that my sister was also adopted, you know, that was something that we really connected over. And to this day I still feel that way. It's, um, my sister's experience and finding her biological family was really important to me. I watched and listened with bated breath, like as she was going through this whole process. It was a great, it was great to have another kid in my family that was adopted.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=397.58" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:37</a>):</p><p>I was glad to hear that Joseph really felt loved in his family. That's an important point for adoptees to clarify when it's applicable. I guess I should tell you that Leslie Joseph's sister is someone who story you've already heard. She was my guest on who am I really on episode 56. 'I feel whole finding him was the key.'</p><p>Leslie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=418.94" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:58</a>):</p><p>It was just surreal to me because it's like, here's this perfect stranger that all of a sudden I'm thrown into his life and he's thrown into mine. And you know, with the history of my mother, I was very cautious because I was expecting him to not be so open about it. But yeah. And when I flew down to see him, we both started crying. I mean, it was just amazing and he just would stare at me, you...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph is a really outdoorsy guy who lives in Edmonds, Washington, about 30 minutes north of Seattle. He likes mountain biking, trail running, camping and skiing. Joseph grew up in a family of several children, some biological, and one other adoptee you might already know. He told me that he never could have&nbsp;pinpointed&nbsp;what it was, but he&nbsp;always seemed to be searching for something. Joseph started his journey searching for answers from his biological mother about his adoption. Instead he found mystery surrounding her life, unanswered questions and a connection to his brother that means the most to him out of everything. This is Joseph’s journey.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/099-we-were-both-missing-something-in-our-lives/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">099 – We Were Both Missing Something In Our Lives</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Joseph (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=3.56" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:03</a>):</p><p>I'm not going to fault her. I mean I was adopted by by great parents and they've had a good family life. I've had a good life, but I was, it was hard to hear that the things behind my adoption were because of her addiction possibly. I guess the first thing that came to my mind was like I was not her priority.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=32.97" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:32</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Joseph. He called me from Washington state. Joseph grew up in a family of several children, some biological and one other adoptee. You might already know. He told me that he never could have pinpointed what it was, but he always seemed to be searching for something. He started his journey searching for answers from his biological mother. Instead, he found mystery surrounding her life unanswered questions and a connection to his brother. That means the most to him out of everything. This is Joseph's journey.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=90.77" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:30</a>):</p><p>Joseph is a really outdoorsy guy who lives in Edmonds, Washington, about 30 minutes North of Seattle. He likes mountain biking trail running, camping and skiing, reflecting on his childhood. Joseph said his was pretty normal for the most part. He was adopted at almost two years old and they lived in central Washington. It was a middle class upbringing with five children in the family. His father was a civil engineer, so their family moved around occasionally for him to take jobs in public works. I asked him about his memory of being adopted at the age of two years old. I was going to ask you about whether you remembered a transition at two at all, if you had any sort of stark memory or any even general memory of just a transition of, of scenes. Like one minute you're in one place and even at two year old, two years old, you recognize like, Hey, this is a different place.</p><p>Joseph (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=148.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:28</a>):</p><p>What I can remember I have one memory, uh, prior to living with my adopted family and, and that was confirmed by my mom when I told her. I said, you know, I would have, I started having this reoccurring dream, which was me and this other girl playing with a red ball. And we were just bouncing it back and forth to each and for some reason I don't, I don't know how it happened, but when the ball came back to me, it hit me in the face.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=188.95" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:08</a>):</p><p>(laughter) Oh no.</p><p>Joseph (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=188.95" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:08</a>):</p><p>And uh, you know, I just remember crying because I think it just kinda, it wasn't anything out of malice or anything. I just remember we were applying and the ball got out of control and hit me in the face. And I remember the girl like really holding me and saying, you know, I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. And my mom said, you know, that was probably your foster sister Stacy. I was in foster care leading up to my adoption and that, that is my one and only memory.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=221.87" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:41</a>):</p><p>Joseph said that it wasn't until he was four years of age when he actually remembers his life when they lived in Richland, Washington. Recall that Joseph had four siblings. The two oldest are biological to their parents. His sister, Leslie was also adopted and their parents had one more biological child after Joseph and Leslie. Joseph said his earliest pictures of himself that he had seen before reunion were from the transitional period when his adoption was being processed. He was visiting with his adoptive family meeting and playing with his new siblings and staying the night.</p><p>Joseph (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=259.42" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:19</a>):</p><p>I had never seen any pictures of me as an infant, as a child, like a baby or anything like that, which was kind of significant for me. I'm someone who's really into photography. I love the medium and so, you know, like having pictures of me, were really important, you know, it, it really helps me look at, you know, my life as an adopted kid, so to speak. I don't know, I just, that's something that always resonated with me. And so I know that I was, was really curious to see, you know, pictures of me maybe with my biological mom or as me as an infant and my adopted mom and I, you know, we would talk about that a lot as well. Like it would just help me kind of complete the picture.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=312.67" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:12</a>):</p><p>Joseph said he and Leslie bonded over being the adoptees in the family.</p><p>Joseph (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=317.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:17</a>):</p><p>Uh, knowing that we were adopted was significant for both of us. Sometimes, you know, I can't speak for my sister Leslie, but for me, I felt like when things were, I dunno, like when we are frustrated with our parents or something, you know, like, you know, being told to do something we didn't want to do or having to go to bed at night early when the rest of the family got to stay up and watch television, we were like, this is, this isn't right. You know? And we've been, you know, the bonding of like us to say like, well, it's us against them. I certainly had that feeling. I had nothing against my family at all. I love my parents and I love my brothers and sisters tremendously. But, you know, when you're a little kid and you're feeling like it's you against the world, knowing that my sister was also adopted, you know, that was something that we really connected over. And to this day I still feel that way. It's, um, my sister's experience and finding her biological family was really important to me. I watched and listened with bated breath, like as she was going through this whole process. It was a great, it was great to have another kid in my family that was adopted.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=397.58" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:37</a>):</p><p>I was glad to hear that Joseph really felt loved in his family. That's an important point for adoptees to clarify when it's applicable. I guess I should tell you that Leslie Joseph's sister is someone who story you've already heard. She was my guest on who am I really on episode 56. 'I feel whole finding him was the key.'</p><p>Leslie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=418.94" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:58</a>):</p><p>It was just surreal to me because it's like, here's this perfect stranger that all of a sudden I'm thrown into his life and he's thrown into mine. And you know, with the history of my mother, I was very cautious because I was expecting him to not be so open about it. But yeah. And when I flew down to see him, we both started crying. I mean, it was just amazing and he just would stare at me, you know, like wow.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=444.35" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:24</a>):</p><p>Turning back to Joseph. He shared that Leslie's reunion was fairly recent in his life just a few years ago and he was intrigued as a man in his forties contemplating seeking reunion. He found himself intrigued with her path and wanting to hear her story as much as possible as it unfolded. At that point he was still deciding for himself whether he wanted to pursue reunion because he was okay with being adopted to that point. his parents and siblings were open about their adoptions, but he admits when he was younger. He was a little curious about finding biological family members.</p><p>Joseph (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=480.22" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:00</a>):</p><p>I was always curious. I think as a younger person I was definitely curious about finding biological family, but as you get older I just started wondering how important is it for me to do this search because I thought have a great mom and dad. You know, we weren't a perfect family. I don't think there is a really perfect family, but I just, I felt like my upbringing was very good. I was supported. I have great brothers and sisters, you know, it was this question of is this really enough for me? Does this complete me? So as I was kind of thinking about all of that, my sister lastly began her search in earnest. And so then that really got me thinking, you know, what, you know the what if like what if I did the search as well and who would I find and what would that mean to me in my life and would it complete me in some way?</p><p>Joseph (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=541.63" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:01</a>):</p><p>And then I started realizing you kind of, I might've internalized having this feeling of um, a sense of not being complete. And so what I mean about that is I'm going to go back a little bit farther. When I was much younger, I always had this sense of wanting to go somewhere. I was a bit of a wonderer as a child, meaning I certainly enjoyed my environment. My parents said I was a rather well adjusted little boy, but I was constantly just walking out of the house, as a four year old toddler and walking down the block and I would go and meet other people, you know, kind of a scary situation for a parent when you realize where, you know, where's my son? And my parents would have, you know, my dad would hop in the car and start driving around the neighborhood and eventually they'd find me. You know, I'm, which I found really odd. Like people would just, you know, think like, Oh, here's this little kid and he's talking to us, but shouldn't he really be at home? I think through a little bit of therapy, um, I was starting to get in touch with this sense of loss. I wasn't sure if I had a sense of place.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=625.6" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:25</a>):</p><p>Joseph speculates that he was a bit of a melancholy child. He lacked a sense of belonging and he attributes that to his adoption. The sense of loss early in Joseph's life was rekindled when Leslie began her search. Joseph told me that he sought therapy to talk about what he was feeling. He said when he was younger, he was really open to seeing people he looked like and wanting to meet biological relatives as an older man. The family he knew and loved sort of felt like enough for him and he appreciated his adopted family for what they meant to him. When he decided to search, he admitted it was scary because the idea of opening Pandora's box and not finding the story he wanted to hear could be tough to handle.</p><p>Joseph (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=671.18" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:11</a>):</p><p>I attribute the way I've thought about my adoption. It's been in my thought process to uh, my adopted mom. She was, she was very open about talking about the adoption. She was, she made me feel very good about, you know, that I was a special, kid they, they wanted me, they loved me, you know. So I did talk to my mom quite a bit about being adopted and that always felt like a good thing, you know, it was never, you know, I didn't feel bad or anything.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=705.78" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:45</a>):</p><p>Yeah. Cause if you felt like it was a secret, if there was something being hidden or kept from you, it can lead to some additional feelings like, well, what are you, what are you guys hiding from me? Like how bad is this? Right? But if someone could speak openly about it, it changes things about how you feel going into into search and reunion. I'm, I'm with you.</p><p>Joseph (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=729.22" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:09</a>):</p><p>Definitely. Yeah. I had a good foundation as far as like if I wanted to search for my biological family, my parents and my family were behind me 100%</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=740.14" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:20</a>):</p><p>when he was 18 a woman in his church who knew he was adopted, shared that she had learned of an organization with an online adoption registry that was trying to rematch biological families. He filled out their forms hoping for a match, but no results were ever returned. Later, his older sister, Laurie, a real supporter of Joseph finding his biological family would call from time to time to ask if he'd been searching, checking to see how it was going, and generally offering to help. In the early 1990s she noticed that in the Seattle times newspaper, people were submitting classified ads with information about their adoption in search of their biological families. Joseph did the same, adding his birth name and last initial the hospital he was born in and the fact that he was searching for his biological mother, adding her name and last initial, we'll get to how he knew that information a little bit later.</p><p>Joseph (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=794.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:14</a>):</p><p>The day the ad ran, my sister receives a voice message and unfortunately my sister wasn't there to take the call, so it went to her answering machine or voice message. My sister calls me, she's like, are you ready for this? And I'm like, you cannot. I mean like somebody actually just called and she's like, I missed this call, but there's a message and a woman is on the other, you know, leaving this message saying, you know, I'm calling and response to this ad in Seattle times. And um, I'm really curious what the last name is, or and is in shame. And my sister said, the voice kind of pauses a little bit. She can hear children in the background and the woman said, you know I think this might be my child.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=850.25" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">14:10</a>):</p><p>Oh wow</p><p>Joseph (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=852.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">14:12</a>):</p><p>and she just says, you know, I'll just call back later. And that was it. Like she didn't leave a phone number or anything?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=858.01" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">14:18</a>):</p><p>Oh no. Oh man.</p><p>Joseph (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=863.76" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">14:23</a>):</p><p>So really up until very recently, that was like the closest I felt that I got to learning something about myself.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/R_AJt6tZ6kp9AENXsdjJ80LphVYIiAboZF3jseoKIfWHYeKYeRjS4lzAT-wAtBvyTy8jPEQk2MdhGRLBh-g9RLEgGSI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=875.87" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">14:35</a>):</p><p>Time goes by. The strength of the internet search capabilities was growing in the 1990s and Joseph sister Laurie was periodically digging online for this Susan woman. Joseph decides to cold call one of the phone numbers for a Susan lives in North Carolina. He explained to the woman who answered the phone that he was doing some genealogical research. The woman who answered the phone said, Oh, you must be looking for my mother. She gets a lot of calls about her genealogical work. The woman offers to have her mother call...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/099-we-were-both-missing-something-in-our-lives]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2557</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 18 Jan 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/68316f04-6f32-49e3-ad46-cff159e94f93/099-we-were-both-missing-something-in-our-lives-final.mp3" length="53945134" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>56:12</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>5</itunes:season><itunes:episode>99</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>99</podcast:episode><podcast:season>5</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Joseph is a really outdoorsy guy who lives in Edmonds, Washington, about 30 minutes north of Seattle. He likes mountain biking, trail running, camping and skiing. Joseph grew up in a family of several children, some biological, and one other adoptee you might already know. He told me that he never could have pinpointed what it was,…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>089 – I’m Reconciling This Feeling of Hurt</title><itunes:title>089 – I’m Reconciling This Feeling of Hurt</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Steve, from London, Ontario, Canada shares his&nbsp;story of&nbsp;being adopted after his mother lost a child.&nbsp;Steve and his mother never connected, in fact, she&nbsp;stifled his social development and seemed to be holding him back because he didn’t look like their family, and didn’t fit in.&nbsp;As a teen, Steve was out on his own in the&nbsp;streets when he learned that he had fathered a child –&nbsp;that’s when he became a&nbsp;single father.</p><p>In reunion, he found a connection to his birth mother, but her empty promises ended with rejection that surprised him.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a></p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/W9k-YyLJ5dESS_5WDL2WRXpg0_RU3h3gLeDymVTYpofJLu-wbfyrk0uIuhb2WmBQ-L9i21Tpy1QB_kM-4redUgga9Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=0.03" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Hey there. I just wanted to take a sec to let you know that in between producing the show, chasing my son Seth around and generally living life, I took time to write a book about my own adoption journey. It’s called Who Am I Really? Of course. If you’d like to pre order a copy, go to WhoAmIReallypodcast.com and click shop, where you will be redirected to the publishers bookstore. I hope to make it to your reading list. Okay, here’s this week’s show.</p><p>Steve:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/W9k-YyLJ5dESS_5WDL2WRXpg0_RU3h3gLeDymVTYpofJLu-wbfyrk0uIuhb2WmBQ-L9i21Tpy1QB_kM-4redUgga9Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=33.92" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:33</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My birth mother tells her, look, I’m not allowed to have contact with him. The kids have his contact information. If they want to contact him, they’re welcome to. I’ve given them, you know what I mean? Everyone’s aware and man, that felt like a knife through the gut, and I don’t know why. Like I guess in that moment I just, I felt orphaned.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/W9k-YyLJ5dESS_5WDL2WRXpg0_RU3h3gLeDymVTYpofJLu-wbfyrk0uIuhb2WmBQ-L9i21Tpy1QB_kM-4redUgga9Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=62.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/W9k-YyLJ5dESS_5WDL2WRXpg0_RU3h3gLeDymVTYpofJLu-wbfyrk0uIuhb2WmBQ-L9i21Tpy1QB_kM-4redUgga9Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=73.55" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:13</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is, Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Steve. He called me from London, Ontario, Canada. Steve shares his story of being adopted after his mother lost a child, but Steve and his mother never connected. In fact, she stifled his social development and seemed to be holding him back because he didn’t look like their family and didn’t fit in. As a teen, Steve was out on his own in the streets when he learned that he had fathered a child, that’s when he became a single father. In reunion, he found the connection to his birth mother, but empty promises ended with rejection and that surprised him. This is Steve’s journey. Steve doesn’t recall being told he was adopted. He just always knew it, but he doesn’t know how he knew that fact. By his description, his parents were typical adoptive parents in the 1970s who wanted the dreams of family many parents aspire to back then, but his adoption came about out of adversity.</p><p>Steve:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/W9k-YyLJ5dESS_5WDL2WRXpg0_RU3h3gLeDymVTYpofJLu-wbfyrk0uIuhb2WmBQ-L9i21Tpy1QB_kM-4redUgga9Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=139.26" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:19</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;They wanted their 2.3 kids in a white picket fence. They had a girl. Then they had a, a baby who was stillborn and they were told that they would never be able to conceive again. And so at that point, um, they pursued other options and, and ended up adopting me. A year and a half after that, my mom got pregnant, so my little brother was born as sort of the miracle baby. And I think that sequence of events affected me and my life in a number of ways, that I didn’t really understand until, until much later. So here I am and I’m in this family. This is a Norwegian family. Everyone in my family is over six feet tall, blonde hair, blue eyes. They get a sun burden walking under a light bulb. And I am not like that at all. You know, I am, I am on a shorter side. I’m five, seven now, fully grown. I got black curly hair. Well, it’s gray now. Yeah, just didn’t look anything like them. And it’s very obvious, you know, in the family pictures and whatnot. So I think I always felt different. Also, I have a really unique surname. Uh, you’ve never heard it before. And so when people comment on the surname, they say, oh, that’s, and I still get this often. Oh, that’s a nice name. Um, and then I have to explain that I’m Norwegian and uh, I am obviously not Norwegian.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/W9k-YyLJ5dESS_5WDL2WRXpg0_RU3h3gLeDymVTYpofJLu-wbfyrk0uIuhb2WmBQ-L9i21Tpy1QB_kM-4redUgga9Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=232.66" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:52</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Hmm. Interesting. So you have to explain something that people can see in your surname as unique and different, but they don’t know how unique and different it is because in fact, you are not even of that surname.</p><p>Steve:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/W9k-YyLJ5dESS_5WDL2WRXpg0_RU3h3gLeDymVTYpofJLu-wbfyrk0uIuhb2WmBQ-L9i21Tpy1QB_kM-4redUgga9Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=246.73" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:06</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Right Yeah. And I just, uh, yeah, I mean the truth is, uh, yeah, my name is, is an anglicized version of a Norwegian name that a grandfather, I guess changed it when he came over here. Regardless of that, I don’t, I don’t bother explaining it any more, now. People say, oh, that’s a nice name. I’m like, yeah, I didn’t pick it, but thank you.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/W9k-YyLJ5dESS_5WDL2WRXpg0_RU3h3gLeDymVTYpofJLu-wbfyrk0uIuhb2WmBQ-L9i21Tpy1QB_kM-4redUgga9Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=266.48" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:26</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Steve has had time to explore his lack of connection with his adopted mother and his research has helped him understand why the creation of a family through adoption doesn’t always follow the script for parents and children to connect.</p><p>Steve:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/W9k-YyLJ5dESS_5WDL2WRXpg0_RU3h3gLeDymVTYpofJLu-wbfyrk0uIuhb2WmBQ-L9i21Tpy1QB_kM-4redUgga9Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=279.01" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:39</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;But I’m still sort of trying to sort this out. So I had a decent child life. I have a childhood. I don’t really have anything to complain about. My needs were looked after, but I wouldn’t say it was a, I wasn’t happy. And I always, honestly, I just felt like my mom in particular, she just didn’t like me. But I think, and so like I’ve come to some understandings much, much later after going sort of through my reunion thing and starting to read some books and do some research and I’m coming to understand that, you know, a lady who’s grieving the loss of a, of a baby was handed another baby who was 11 months old and, and told, this’ll take all your grief away. You know, and then there’s a baby that’s been ripped away from a parent handed to another lady and you know, they’re convinced that lady’s going to take all the babies grief away. And there’s two people who, you know, needed something from each other and didn’t get it. And I, and I think that kind of explains, you know, that that’s where the relationship started and it just, it...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, from London, Ontario, Canada shares his&nbsp;story of&nbsp;being adopted after his mother lost a child.&nbsp;Steve and his mother never connected, in fact, she&nbsp;stifled his social development and seemed to be holding him back because he didn’t look like their family, and didn’t fit in.&nbsp;As a teen, Steve was out on his own in the&nbsp;streets when he learned that he had fathered a child –&nbsp;that’s when he became a&nbsp;single father.</p><p>In reunion, he found a connection to his birth mother, but her empty promises ended with rejection that surprised him.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a></p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/W9k-YyLJ5dESS_5WDL2WRXpg0_RU3h3gLeDymVTYpofJLu-wbfyrk0uIuhb2WmBQ-L9i21Tpy1QB_kM-4redUgga9Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=0.03" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Hey there. I just wanted to take a sec to let you know that in between producing the show, chasing my son Seth around and generally living life, I took time to write a book about my own adoption journey. It’s called Who Am I Really? Of course. If you’d like to pre order a copy, go to WhoAmIReallypodcast.com and click shop, where you will be redirected to the publishers bookstore. I hope to make it to your reading list. Okay, here’s this week’s show.</p><p>Steve:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/W9k-YyLJ5dESS_5WDL2WRXpg0_RU3h3gLeDymVTYpofJLu-wbfyrk0uIuhb2WmBQ-L9i21Tpy1QB_kM-4redUgga9Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=33.92" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:33</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My birth mother tells her, look, I’m not allowed to have contact with him. The kids have his contact information. If they want to contact him, they’re welcome to. I’ve given them, you know what I mean? Everyone’s aware and man, that felt like a knife through the gut, and I don’t know why. Like I guess in that moment I just, I felt orphaned.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/W9k-YyLJ5dESS_5WDL2WRXpg0_RU3h3gLeDymVTYpofJLu-wbfyrk0uIuhb2WmBQ-L9i21Tpy1QB_kM-4redUgga9Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=62.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/W9k-YyLJ5dESS_5WDL2WRXpg0_RU3h3gLeDymVTYpofJLu-wbfyrk0uIuhb2WmBQ-L9i21Tpy1QB_kM-4redUgga9Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=73.55" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:13</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is, Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Steve. He called me from London, Ontario, Canada. Steve shares his story of being adopted after his mother lost a child, but Steve and his mother never connected. In fact, she stifled his social development and seemed to be holding him back because he didn’t look like their family and didn’t fit in. As a teen, Steve was out on his own in the streets when he learned that he had fathered a child, that’s when he became a single father. In reunion, he found the connection to his birth mother, but empty promises ended with rejection and that surprised him. This is Steve’s journey. Steve doesn’t recall being told he was adopted. He just always knew it, but he doesn’t know how he knew that fact. By his description, his parents were typical adoptive parents in the 1970s who wanted the dreams of family many parents aspire to back then, but his adoption came about out of adversity.</p><p>Steve:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/W9k-YyLJ5dESS_5WDL2WRXpg0_RU3h3gLeDymVTYpofJLu-wbfyrk0uIuhb2WmBQ-L9i21Tpy1QB_kM-4redUgga9Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=139.26" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:19</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;They wanted their 2.3 kids in a white picket fence. They had a girl. Then they had a, a baby who was stillborn and they were told that they would never be able to conceive again. And so at that point, um, they pursued other options and, and ended up adopting me. A year and a half after that, my mom got pregnant, so my little brother was born as sort of the miracle baby. And I think that sequence of events affected me and my life in a number of ways, that I didn’t really understand until, until much later. So here I am and I’m in this family. This is a Norwegian family. Everyone in my family is over six feet tall, blonde hair, blue eyes. They get a sun burden walking under a light bulb. And I am not like that at all. You know, I am, I am on a shorter side. I’m five, seven now, fully grown. I got black curly hair. Well, it’s gray now. Yeah, just didn’t look anything like them. And it’s very obvious, you know, in the family pictures and whatnot. So I think I always felt different. Also, I have a really unique surname. Uh, you’ve never heard it before. And so when people comment on the surname, they say, oh, that’s, and I still get this often. Oh, that’s a nice name. Um, and then I have to explain that I’m Norwegian and uh, I am obviously not Norwegian.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/W9k-YyLJ5dESS_5WDL2WRXpg0_RU3h3gLeDymVTYpofJLu-wbfyrk0uIuhb2WmBQ-L9i21Tpy1QB_kM-4redUgga9Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=232.66" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:52</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Hmm. Interesting. So you have to explain something that people can see in your surname as unique and different, but they don’t know how unique and different it is because in fact, you are not even of that surname.</p><p>Steve:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/W9k-YyLJ5dESS_5WDL2WRXpg0_RU3h3gLeDymVTYpofJLu-wbfyrk0uIuhb2WmBQ-L9i21Tpy1QB_kM-4redUgga9Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=246.73" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:06</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Right Yeah. And I just, uh, yeah, I mean the truth is, uh, yeah, my name is, is an anglicized version of a Norwegian name that a grandfather, I guess changed it when he came over here. Regardless of that, I don’t, I don’t bother explaining it any more, now. People say, oh, that’s a nice name. I’m like, yeah, I didn’t pick it, but thank you.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/W9k-YyLJ5dESS_5WDL2WRXpg0_RU3h3gLeDymVTYpofJLu-wbfyrk0uIuhb2WmBQ-L9i21Tpy1QB_kM-4redUgga9Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=266.48" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:26</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Steve has had time to explore his lack of connection with his adopted mother and his research has helped him understand why the creation of a family through adoption doesn’t always follow the script for parents and children to connect.</p><p>Steve:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/W9k-YyLJ5dESS_5WDL2WRXpg0_RU3h3gLeDymVTYpofJLu-wbfyrk0uIuhb2WmBQ-L9i21Tpy1QB_kM-4redUgga9Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=279.01" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:39</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;But I’m still sort of trying to sort this out. So I had a decent child life. I have a childhood. I don’t really have anything to complain about. My needs were looked after, but I wouldn’t say it was a, I wasn’t happy. And I always, honestly, I just felt like my mom in particular, she just didn’t like me. But I think, and so like I’ve come to some understandings much, much later after going sort of through my reunion thing and starting to read some books and do some research and I’m coming to understand that, you know, a lady who’s grieving the loss of a, of a baby was handed another baby who was 11 months old and, and told, this’ll take all your grief away. You know, and then there’s a baby that’s been ripped away from a parent handed to another lady and you know, they’re convinced that lady’s going to take all the babies grief away. And there’s two people who, you know, needed something from each other and didn’t get it. And I, and I think that kind of explains, you know, that that’s where the relationship started and it just, it never really got better. Does that makes sense?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/W9k-YyLJ5dESS_5WDL2WRXpg0_RU3h3gLeDymVTYpofJLu-wbfyrk0uIuhb2WmBQ-L9i21Tpy1QB_kM-4redUgga9Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=357.78" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:57</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, no, it absolutely does. I mean, this is one of the things that I think often is lost in the discussion of adoption and adoption trauma is these very stark facts about how the family is created. It’s that in, in your instance, your mother was suffering loss and her own grief that she had to get over. And then here you show up as basically, you know, a potential bandaid for that grief and a place to sort of dump her emotions. But at the same time you have been taken from another place, placed into her arms and there’s the separation that you feel. This is, I had a guest recently tell me that one of the big challenges in his family was his adopted mother hated his aunt and they never could, He never could figure out why. And it wasn’t until he met his biological mother that he realized his bio mom had the same exact voice as his aunt. This is the voice he would have heard, you know? So there is that separation. It’s really hard.</p><p>Steve:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/W9k-YyLJ5dESS_5WDL2WRXpg0_RU3h3gLeDymVTYpofJLu-wbfyrk0uIuhb2WmBQ-L9i21Tpy1QB_kM-4redUgga9Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=421.39" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You know, I’ve now come to recognize that it’s not her fault. This is what people believed at the time. This is what social work was telling people was a, you know, a baby doesn’t know the difference between its natural mother and it’s adoptive mother.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/W9k-YyLJ5dESS_5WDL2WRXpg0_RU3h3gLeDymVTYpofJLu-wbfyrk0uIuhb2WmBQ-L9i21Tpy1QB_kM-4redUgga9Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=435.85" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:15</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Can you give me an example of, you said that you basically felt like your mom didn’t like you or you know, tell me a little bit about that tension in your family. Where did you start to see that or feel it</p><p>Steve:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/W9k-YyLJ5dESS_5WDL2WRXpg0_RU3h3gLeDymVTYpofJLu-wbfyrk0uIuhb2WmBQ-L9i21Tpy1QB_kM-4redUgga9Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=448.71" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:28</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;to begin with, I guess I was a, a cranky, crabby baby. So I have, you know, I’ve got some notes from a doctor, you know, that I found in my dad’s files where, you know, they say I’ve got some crankiness and crabbiness, although at other times in, uh, you know, especially in company it says I’m very active and lively and I think this crankiness and crabbiness that probably just came as, as a result of, like I said, two people adjusting to a new, was considered to be a problem. And so I was sent to doctors and to psychologists and stuff from a very young age to try to figure out why I wasn’t happy like the other two babies I guess. And they never figured that out. But you know, it’s interesting again in retrospect looking and saying like they saw that, but the doctor and the letter acknowledges that the crankiness might be attributed to adoption, but it was, it’s interesting how as a child, you know, I had what were perceived to be these behavior problems even as a baby and all they were trying to do is fix me and not recognize that, you know, does that make, you know what I’m saying?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/W9k-YyLJ5dESS_5WDL2WRXpg0_RU3h3gLeDymVTYpofJLu-wbfyrk0uIuhb2WmBQ-L9i21Tpy1QB_kM-4redUgga9Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=530.43" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That’s right. Yeah. It was, uh, there’s a problem with this child, not a systemic at all of the things that this child is enduring, that the family is inflicting or, or withholding or whatever. Right. It’s just, uh, the problem manifests itself in how agitated the child is, but it’s not a broader examination of the environment in which the child is in or has come from or what have you. I totally get you</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/W9k-YyLJ5dESS_5WDL2WRXpg0_RU3h3gLeDymVTYpofJLu-wbfyrk0uIuhb2WmBQ-L9i21Tpy1QB_kM-4redUgga9Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=557.9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:17</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;that note about Steve’s adoption being a possible cause for his crankiness was just one line at the end of the doctors letter written in the 1960s. Steve’s mother stayed at home with the children while their father worked as an executive at a local community college. Steve said that as his primary caregiver, their mother had no patience for him. He said when he left home at 15 he had never been to a sleepover at a friend’s house, had never kissed a girl, nor been to a school dance. He wasn’t allowed to do anything</p><p>Steve:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/W9k-YyLJ5dESS_5WDL2WRXpg0_RU3h3gLeDymVTYpofJLu-wbfyrk0uIuhb2WmBQ-L9i21Tpy1QB_kM-4redUgga9Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=588.27" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:48</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Then I was convinced I was bad. You know, and I’ve just looked back recently said, man, I wasn’t, I wasn’t that bad. I mean, I did shit like any other kid did, but you know, I wasn’t as bad as I was convinced. But it’s like my mother did not want me to leave the house. You know, they would, my brother and sister would go spend a week with grandparents in Toronto. I never once did that. Never went on a school trip, but they did. You know, and I’m not sure the, the reasoning behind it, but it was, I just felt like I was in the way, I guess I was an inconvenience.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/W9k-YyLJ5dESS_5WDL2WRXpg0_RU3h3gLeDymVTYpofJLu-wbfyrk0uIuhb2WmBQ-L9i21Tpy1QB_kM-4redUgga9Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=623.77" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>10:23</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Did you feel like you were being hidden? I mean, from an outsider’s perspective, the way that you’re describing your, um, your intended withdrawal, your intentional withholding from social and interactive things with family, with, with friends. It sounds like they were, they were hiding you almost.</p><p>Steve:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/W9k-YyLJ5dESS_5WDL2WRXpg0_RU3h3gLeDymVTYpofJLu-wbfyrk0uIuhb2WmBQ-L9i21Tpy1QB_kM-4redUgga9Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=646" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>10:46</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Maybe I haven’t thought about it like that. So that’s something I’ll have to reflect on a little bit. But yes, quite possible. I think, I mean, I guess it did occur to me that I think they were a bit ashamed of me. They didn’t like answering the questions either. Introducing the family,</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/W9k-YyLJ5dESS_5WDL2WRXpg0_RU3h3gLeDymVTYpofJLu-wbfyrk0uIuhb2WmBQ-L9i21Tpy1QB_kM-4redUgga9Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=663.04" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>11:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Steve was led to believe that he couldn’t be trusted to behave appropriately and that’s why he wasn’t allowed to participate in anything ever. It was all unfounded. Steve described himself as a witty ham it up kind of kid, versus his much more reserved siblings. He says he doesn’t have a lot of childhood memories, but he does recall two things that happened very clearly. Brace herself for these triggers.</p><p>Steve:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/089-im-reconciling-this-feeling-of-hurt]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2415</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 11 Jan 2025 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/4f52b75c-e408-48df-b1af-16e391658986/089-im-reconciling-this-feeling-of-hurt.mp3" length="57400395" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>59:47</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>4</itunes:season><itunes:episode>89</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>89</podcast:episode><podcast:season>4</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Steve, from London, Ontario, Canada shares his story of being adopted after his mother lost a child. Steve and his mother never connected, in fact, she stifled his social development and seemed to be holding him back because he didn’t look like their family, and didn’t fit in. As a teen, Steve was out on his own in the streets when…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>070 – I Don’t Think She Can Move Forward From The Pain</title><itunes:title>070 – I Don’t Think She Can Move Forward From The Pain</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Kyle tells the story of growing up, towering over his mother and sister and looking very different from them, but being loved.&nbsp;Locating his birth mother he was amazed to see someone he looked like but struggled to get along with as she battled her own pain.&nbsp;In the end, he was able to truly connect to his Native American heritage while discovering the pain that was deep within him.&nbsp;His&nbsp;experience inspired&nbsp;him&nbsp;to write two songs.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a></p><p>Kyle:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.15" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And that’s the thing is she’s a great person. It was just very hard towards the end to have the relationship because I think she felt she wanted to be my mom. I just period and she couldn’t be. She didn’t raise me and it was a very tough thing for her. And I think it’s just the trauma, you know, it’s easy to get wrapped up in my own trauma, but you know, that can’t be easy… Giving up a baby, especially when you don’t want to.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.95" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.21" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and my guest on the show today is Kyle. He called me from Seattle, Washington. Kyle tells the story of growing up, towering over his mother and sister and looking very different from them, but being loved, locating his birth mother. He was amazed to see someone he looked like, but struggled to get along with as she battled her own pain. In the end, he was able to truly connect to his native American heritage and the experience inspired him to write two songs. Here’s part of one of them called the saddest song and did this is Kyle’s journey</p><p>Kyle Singing:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=135.94" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:15</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[Music] See all of me. I’m there before you. You’re In my dreams, but I don’t know you.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=153.551" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:33</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Kyle said that he had a good childhood, but they didn’t really talk about adoption still. He felt like everyone in the family knew he was adopted and some folks were a little nicer to him in his extended family while some folks were less so within Kyle’s nuclear family. His mother told him the story of how she had several babies to choose from, but she picked him and he liked that his dad was engaged, cracking jokes, and he was a fun Dad, but his parents separated when he was young, so the challenges of switching between houses made things a little tougher. He acknowledges that he did feel kind of different.</p><p>Kyle:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=190.03" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:10</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Really good childhood. I think I always felt a little different, but when you’re a child you don’t really know why. I just thought I was very shy, so I think I attributed a feeling different. Just that I wasn’t outgoing. My sister is very outgoing and so I thought, well, it’s just because I’m really shy that people don’t notice me as much or you know, I feel different. Yeah, we’d go to my grandparents’ house. They have a farm in North Dakota and go there as children for the summer and my grandmother did the opposite. I was the youngest, so a lot of times the older kids didn’t want to play with me so she would take me under her wing and teach me things and my grandfather would take me with him and he, you know, fix farm equipment. And so that was a, that was actually some of the best memories I’ve had in my life was growing up on the farm.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=245.97" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Those were great because Kyle could just tag along as his grandmother baked and did other things around the farm. She taught him a little about how to play piano and told him stories about when his father was younger or when she first met Kyle’s mother. His grandmother knew he was shy and she needed to reach out to connect with him. She even attempted to connect him with his heritage.</p><p>Kyle:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=269.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:29</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;They always knew that I had some native American blood, but they didn’t know what tribe or anything else, but I remember when I was really young that my grandmother took me by myself all the way up into Canada to go to a powwow and at the time I didn’t really know. Yeah, I didn’t think it through. I just thought, oh, this is kind of cool. Or by herself and, but looking back he was trying to show me things that I wouldn’t have seen otherwise. Um, my family is very scandinavian, so that was a very, a very interesting.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=305.5" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You appreciate that. She did that or like, what’s your feeling about that?</p><p>Kyle:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=309.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think she, she knew of my birth heritage and just thought I’m going to, I’m going to take him up there and expose him to cultures that may be like, you know, some of his ancestors. I also remember she would tell me ,well, When she was little, it was still in a lot of places to kind of the wild west, you know, so she remembers a chief that would come into town and trade for things when she was a little kid, so she told me about him all the time and how he was really tall and proud and so I think she, yes, she used her, her real experiences also to connect with me in ways that I didn’t even fully. I mean I appreciate them, but I appreciate them more now.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle tells the story of growing up, towering over his mother and sister and looking very different from them, but being loved.&nbsp;Locating his birth mother he was amazed to see someone he looked like but struggled to get along with as she battled her own pain.&nbsp;In the end, he was able to truly connect to his Native American heritage while discovering the pain that was deep within him.&nbsp;His&nbsp;experience inspired&nbsp;him&nbsp;to write two songs.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a></p><p>Kyle:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.15" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And that’s the thing is she’s a great person. It was just very hard towards the end to have the relationship because I think she felt she wanted to be my mom. I just period and she couldn’t be. She didn’t raise me and it was a very tough thing for her. And I think it’s just the trauma, you know, it’s easy to get wrapped up in my own trauma, but you know, that can’t be easy… Giving up a baby, especially when you don’t want to.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.95" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.21" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and my guest on the show today is Kyle. He called me from Seattle, Washington. Kyle tells the story of growing up, towering over his mother and sister and looking very different from them, but being loved, locating his birth mother. He was amazed to see someone he looked like, but struggled to get along with as she battled her own pain. In the end, he was able to truly connect to his native American heritage and the experience inspired him to write two songs. Here’s part of one of them called the saddest song and did this is Kyle’s journey</p><p>Kyle Singing:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=135.94" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:15</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[Music] See all of me. I’m there before you. You’re In my dreams, but I don’t know you.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=153.551" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:33</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Kyle said that he had a good childhood, but they didn’t really talk about adoption still. He felt like everyone in the family knew he was adopted and some folks were a little nicer to him in his extended family while some folks were less so within Kyle’s nuclear family. His mother told him the story of how she had several babies to choose from, but she picked him and he liked that his dad was engaged, cracking jokes, and he was a fun Dad, but his parents separated when he was young, so the challenges of switching between houses made things a little tougher. He acknowledges that he did feel kind of different.</p><p>Kyle:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=190.03" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:10</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Really good childhood. I think I always felt a little different, but when you’re a child you don’t really know why. I just thought I was very shy, so I think I attributed a feeling different. Just that I wasn’t outgoing. My sister is very outgoing and so I thought, well, it’s just because I’m really shy that people don’t notice me as much or you know, I feel different. Yeah, we’d go to my grandparents’ house. They have a farm in North Dakota and go there as children for the summer and my grandmother did the opposite. I was the youngest, so a lot of times the older kids didn’t want to play with me so she would take me under her wing and teach me things and my grandfather would take me with him and he, you know, fix farm equipment. And so that was a, that was actually some of the best memories I’ve had in my life was growing up on the farm.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=245.97" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Those were great because Kyle could just tag along as his grandmother baked and did other things around the farm. She taught him a little about how to play piano and told him stories about when his father was younger or when she first met Kyle’s mother. His grandmother knew he was shy and she needed to reach out to connect with him. She even attempted to connect him with his heritage.</p><p>Kyle:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=269.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:29</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;They always knew that I had some native American blood, but they didn’t know what tribe or anything else, but I remember when I was really young that my grandmother took me by myself all the way up into Canada to go to a powwow and at the time I didn’t really know. Yeah, I didn’t think it through. I just thought, oh, this is kind of cool. Or by herself and, but looking back he was trying to show me things that I wouldn’t have seen otherwise. Um, my family is very scandinavian, so that was a very, a very interesting.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=305.5" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You appreciate that. She did that or like, what’s your feeling about that?</p><p>Kyle:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=309.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think she, she knew of my birth heritage and just thought I’m going to, I’m going to take him up there and expose him to cultures that may be like, you know, some of his ancestors. I also remember she would tell me ,well, When she was little, it was still in a lot of places to kind of the wild west, you know, so she remembers a chief that would come into town and trade for things when she was a little kid, so she told me about him all the time and how he was really tall and proud and so I think she, yes, she used her, her real experiences also to connect with me in ways that I didn’t even fully. I mean I appreciate them, but I appreciate them more now.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=352.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:52</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Kyle paints a picture of his grandmother as a very kind person you may have picked up on. Kyle’s mentioned of his sister. She was born after his mother had two miscarriages. After her birth, his mother’s physician told her she could not have another child naturally or it might kill her. So Kyle was adopted. Remember now he’s already said his family is very scandinavian. His sister, is blue eyed and blonde haired. I’m sure you can imagine that Kyle’s descent from native Americans gave him dark brown eyes, black hair, and to add to their differentiation, he’s six foot three, much taller than his family. Kyle and his sister battled like any sibling pair would as children, but they’re much closer now as adults. Sadly, his father passed away when he was 11 years old, making the challenge of raising two children much harder for their mother still. She was a great mother, so he didn’t feel much desire to seek out his birth. Mother, Kyle said it wasn’t until his mid twenties that he really decided he wanted to search. He said the urge just hit him one day.</p><p>Kyle:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=421.71" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It comes a an awakening, I guess, where you realize that you want to just know, and I guess I had been married really young. I had a child. I got divorced so I had to kind of a new life and I think that’s when I started realizing that I, I want to know more. I wasn’t putting my energy into my marriage anymore and I think that also kind of… I was a little bit depressed, so I think that made me think more of longing and things that might make my life better or things that are kind of in the back of my mind,</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=456.7" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Kyle was wondering what his birth mother looked like and what bits of the information the social worker had given his family were right. His mother found some notes from the social worker from the time prior to his adoption. The documents said that Kyle was a plump little baby with chubby cheeks and his birth mother was very young. She also noted to her social worker back then that his birth father was a truck driver and Kyle is a black crow Indian. Reading that for himself, Kyle was left to imagine whether his birth mother wanted him or if she was forced to give him up. Did she try to keep him or did she hand him over easily because he was a mistake. He had lots of unanswered questions, but I know that for many people actually reading your true heritage instead of just hearing rumors from family members can be a bit of a moment. I asked Kyle about that moment for him.</p><p>Kyle:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=509.73" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:29</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That really hit me because it, it kind of reinforced the identity. I already know. You kind of identify yourself as different things. It made me realize I wasn’t know. I wouldn’t say like living a lie, but you kind of wonder. There’s a lot of family things that people say they turned out not to be true. So I always wonder, am I really, you know, I have black hair and everything, but I am more pale skin, so I’m thinking maybe I’m just, you know, what if it turns out I’m Italian and I’m tall from, you know, or whatever. So it felt good. It felt good to, to be told something for so long and then have it be real. It made me feel a little bit of a little piece to me. I was missing, you know, made me. Yeah. Made me a little bit more whole. I think</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=561.53" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:21</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I can see how that’s true. If all of your life, you’re told that you’re generally native American, then you learn your true tribal identity. Anyway, the letterhead was from children’s home society. He called them and they said he could go in to have a conversation that same day,</p><p>Kyle:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=578.14" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:38</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;and I told him who I was, what my, what I wanted to find out, and they said, well, your birth mother sent a letter this week, which was just crazy. She sent a letter to let them know that if I contacted them that she wants them to let me contact her back and had her address. So</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=604.22" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>10:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The same week that you walked in there, She sent a letter?</p><p>Kyle:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=607.11" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>10:07</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, she’d sent it. It gotten there a couple days before I stood in the office. I mean it was still in her desk, in a file drawer that she probably just put in a couple of days before that just waiting in the off chance that eventually someone might come in and I was yet literally there within days. So</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=627.37" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>10:27</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That’s unreal, wow. That’s incredible.</p><p>Kyle:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=629.67" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>10:29</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, it was an amazing. It’s like we both had the same idea just like I got to make sure he can find me and I’m like, I need to find her. And then Bam, every word.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/jXFXcrZaEH2w5vIyyK6eNbcXgFIM7d2QGnC8QTrDcJgzfHS2UAr9EuSqQ40aKSbsQcefDlTSOrTFlDkbWq63gfscBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=641.121" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>10:41</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Kyle said he was 28 when that remarkable simultaneous search for each other started. I told him I thought that their timing was really interesting because it wasn’t like he was 18 or 21 landmark ears in a person’s life when their birth parent might say to themselves, okay, he’s legal or now he’s old enough. Twenty eight was a fairly odd year to my mind and after I said it to Kyle, he agreed, but he said it was actually a great time for her to reach out because he knew more about who he was and he was more comfortable in his skin. He was an angry guy in his early twenties, but after his divorce and the birth of his son, he had...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/070-i-dont-think-she-can-move-forward-from-the-pain]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2223</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 14 Dec 2024 05:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ba995cb3-757b-4337-9710-c67cd3195517/070-i-dont-think-she-can-move-forward-from-the-pain-final.mp3" length="39567299" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>41:13</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>3</itunes:season><itunes:episode>70</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>70</podcast:episode><podcast:season>3</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Kyle tells the story of growing up, towering over his mother and sister and looking very different from them, but being loved.  Locating his birth mother he was amazed to see someone he looked like but struggled to get along with as she battled her own pain. In the end, he was able to truly connect…</itunes:summary><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/455370d3-b0ab-45a9-8feb-edae191bb2c6/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>250 - In Search of a Salve: Memoir of a Sex Addict</title><itunes:title>250 - In Search of a Salve: Memoir of a Sex Addict</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Katherin called me from Atlanta, Georgia. She grew up in a challenging environment with an adoptive mother on dialysis, an adoptive father who disengaged from parenting, and life lessons that taught her to suppress her emotions. Seeking connection, Katherin turned to the affection of men to fill the emotional voids in her life.</p><p>In reunion, Katherin discovered her birth mother's struggles with mental health and gained a sister with whom she shares a close bond. However, building a relationship with her birth father has been difficult, as his wife harbors resentment over his past transgressions.</p><p>This is Katherin’s journey.</p><p><a href="https://a.co/d/cXYk7kC" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">In Search of a Salve: Memoir of a Sex Addict</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katherin called me from Atlanta, Georgia. She grew up in a challenging environment with an adoptive mother on dialysis, an adoptive father who disengaged from parenting, and life lessons that taught her to suppress her emotions. Seeking connection, Katherin turned to the affection of men to fill the emotional voids in her life.</p><p>In reunion, Katherin discovered her birth mother's struggles with mental health and gained a sister with whom she shares a close bond. However, building a relationship with her birth father has been difficult, as his wife harbors resentment over his past transgressions.</p><p>This is Katherin’s journey.</p><p><a href="https://a.co/d/cXYk7kC" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">In Search of a Salve: Memoir of a Sex Addict</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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She learned about her adoption before her teen years—a revelation that left her in shock but also helped her make sense of her family dynamics.</p><p>In college, Amy’s coming out created a rift within her family, leaving her worried that pursuing an adoption reunion might lead to similar tensions.</p><p><br></p><p>Thankfully, Amy’s birth mother embraced her happiness and wholeheartedly committed to supporting her in their reunion. Listen until the end when you hear how Amy had to adopt her own child even though she's married. This is Amy's Journey.</p><p><br></p><p>Let me know if you'd like further adjustments!</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy shared her story with me from Carlisle, Pennsylvania. She learned about her adoption before her teen years—a revelation that left her in shock but also helped her make sense of her family dynamics.</p><p>In college, Amy’s coming out created a rift within her family, leaving her worried that pursuing an adoption reunion might lead to similar tensions.</p><p><br></p><p>Thankfully, Amy’s birth mother embraced her happiness and wholeheartedly committed to supporting her in their reunion. Listen until the end when you hear how Amy had to adopt her own child even though she's married. This is Amy's Journey.</p><p><br></p><p>Let me know if you'd like further adjustments!</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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When she was young, her single mother struggled to raise her and her two younger brothers, battling addiction and mental illness, which ultimately led to their family being separated. While Virginia was reunited with her mother, she was not reunited with her brothers and was devastated by the terrible news that she would never see them again.</p><p>As an adult, Virginia felt something wasn't right about the story of her younger brothers. Determined to uncover the truth, she embarked on a mission to find answers. Although Virginia is not adopted, her brothers were. This is Virginia's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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When she was young, her single mother struggled to raise her and her two younger brothers, battling addiction and mental illness, which ultimately led to their family being separated. While Virginia was reunited with her mother, she was not reunited with her brothers and was devastated by the terrible news that she would never see them again.</p><p>As an adult, Virginia felt something wasn't right about the story of her younger brothers. Determined to uncover the truth, she embarked on a mission to find answers. Although Virginia is not adopted, her brothers were. This is Virginia's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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After we chatted, she realized something important about her own journey.</p><p>She shared her tale of generational kinship adoption, the heartbreaking discovery that her beloved granny had likely endured an assault, and the DNA discoveries of multiple adoptees who were placed from her own family tree. </p><p>This is Bobbie's Journey. </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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After we chatted, she realized something important about her own journey.</p><p>She shared her tale of generational kinship adoption, the heartbreaking discovery that her beloved granny had likely endured an assault, and the DNA discoveries of multiple adoptees who were placed from her own family tree. </p><p>This is Bobbie's Journey. </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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However, when she learned there would be no reunion, Jean could not have been in a better place than among other adoptees. </p><p>This is Jean's journey. </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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However, when she learned there would be no reunion, Jean could not have been in a better place than among other adoptees. </p><p>This is Jean's journey. </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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As an adult, Curt got curious about locating his birth family, but chickened out on submitting a DNA sample to launch is search for reunion.</p><p>On his maternal side, Curt was finally able to meet his birth mother, but she seems to be keeping him at arm's length. Curt's birth father knew he had fathered a child, prepared his family to hear from Curt one day, and was more prepared to welcome him into his life than his birth mother.</p><p>This is Curt's Journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curt, from in Las Vegas, Nevada, felt like something was off in his family when he was a kid, so he he set out to find his own way. As an adult, Curt got curious about locating his birth family, but chickened out on submitting a DNA sample to launch is search for reunion.</p><p>On his maternal side, Curt was finally able to meet his birth mother, but she seems to be keeping him at arm's length. Curt's birth father knew he had fathered a child, prepared his family to hear from Curt one day, and was more prepared to welcome him into his life than his birth mother.</p><p>This is Curt's Journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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So her curiosity led to a secret search as an adult. While her birth mother had no plans to meet Patrice, in reunion, her birth father told everyone about his long lost daughter.</p><p>Unfortunately, the loneliness of the COVID 19 lockdown drove a wedge between Patrice and her birth father. </p><p>This is Patrice's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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So her curiosity led to a secret search as an adult. While her birth mother had no plans to meet Patrice, in reunion, her birth father told everyone about his long lost daughter.</p><p>Unfortunately, the loneliness of the COVID 19 lockdown drove a wedge between Patrice and her birth father. </p><p>This is Patrice's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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After leaving home, she became pregnant and was abandoned by the birth father. Following the placement of her daughter, she suffered in silence for years. For decades, Sharon hid her pain behind a smile—until the day her daughter found her.</p><p>When they reconnected, they finally saw the beauty in each other. Sharon is a birth mother, and this is her journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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After leaving home, she became pregnant and was abandoned by the birth father. Following the placement of her daughter, she suffered in silence for years. For decades, Sharon hid her pain behind a smile—until the day her daughter found her.</p><p>When they reconnected, they finally saw the beauty in each other. Sharon is a birth mother, and this is her journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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She grew up with an adoptive mother who presented to the outside community as a saint whom everyone loved.  But at home she was unkind to her family. Janet said she spent her whole life wanting to know her birth mother when she finally found the woman. Janet's birth mother didn't want to know her and only met her after her other children forced the issue. However, her birth father welcomed her with open arms and compassion, the kind of welcome every adoptee hopes for.  This is Janet's Journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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She grew up with an adoptive mother who presented to the outside community as a saint whom everyone loved.  But at home she was unkind to her family. Janet said she spent her whole life wanting to know her birth mother when she finally found the woman. Janet's birth mother didn't want to know her and only met her after her other children forced the issue. However, her birth father welcomed her with open arms and compassion, the kind of welcome every adoptee hopes for.  This is Janet's Journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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She was raised in Germany by parents who grew up in post-World War II Germany, along with an abusive older brother. In her town, everyone knew Baya was adopted, and she even knew who her birth mother was. However, to this day, Baya has not yet reached the point where she feels ready to take the next step—coming face to face with the woman she has known about her entire life.</p><p>This is Baya's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the edited version with improved grammar:</p><p>Baya called me from Basking Ridge, New Jersey. She was raised in Germany by parents who grew up in post-World War II Germany, along with an abusive older brother. In her town, everyone knew Baya was adopted, and she even knew who her birth mother was. However, to this day, Baya has not yet reached the point where she feels ready to take the next step—coming face to face with the woman she has known about her entire life.</p><p>This is Baya's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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His adoption story is complex, shaped by the trauma and loss his adoptive parents faced after losing their youngest biological son. For Jim, the love he sought from his adoptive father was elusive, replaced by emotional and physical abuse in his adoptive family.  As Jim searched for his biological family he was disappointed by some misleading events. and he uncovered some unexpected connections and painful revelations. </p><p>This is Jim's Journey. </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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His adoption story is complex, shaped by the trauma and loss his adoptive parents faced after losing their youngest biological son. For Jim, the love he sought from his adoptive father was elusive, replaced by emotional and physical abuse in his adoptive family.  As Jim searched for his biological family he was disappointed by some misleading events. and he uncovered some unexpected connections and painful revelations. </p><p>This is Jim's Journey. </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/240-]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">02b0ed40-9ff7-4b49-8e8c-56782b13999b</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2024 00:30:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/47a76640-354a-4345-9b52-a53ee846f254/240-I-Was-Hoping-That-Somebody-Would-Love-Me.mp3" length="56424398" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>58:47</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>15</itunes:season><itunes:episode>240</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>240</podcast:episode><podcast:season>15</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/1721b161-fa3c-4c9a-80e3-305a56031819/index.html" type="text/html"/><podcast:chapters url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/chapter-47a76640-354a-4345-9b52-a53ee846f254.json" type="application/json+chapters"/></item><item><title>239 - Stolen From My Homeland</title><itunes:title>239 - Stolen From My Homeland</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Moses is an adoption trauma educator and therapist, but his own personal journey as an adoptee is one of hardship and resilience. To use his words, Moses was stolen from South Korea at the age of two, by his famous mother, to grow up as part of a transracial, international, and high profile family.</p><p>However, beneath the surface of fame Moses faced deep trauma, isolation, and tragedy. His story raises challenging questions about the adoption industry, </p><p>This is Moses Journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moses is an adoption trauma educator and therapist, but his own personal journey as an adoptee is one of hardship and resilience. To use his words, Moses was stolen from South Korea at the age of two, by his famous mother, to grow up as part of a transracial, international, and high profile family.</p><p>However, beneath the surface of fame Moses faced deep trauma, isolation, and tragedy. His story raises challenging questions about the adoption industry, </p><p>This is Moses Journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/239-stolen-from-my-homeland]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">bfb65745-e11b-49b5-9374-843bd8236c40</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 21 Sep 2024 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/632bd20f-b6f6-410a-8ea2-4c4896df3ad6/239-Stolen-From-My-Homeland.mp3" length="75200856" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>52:13</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>15</itunes:season><itunes:episode>239</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>239</podcast:episode><podcast:season>15</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/f5e37969-c189-45a5-badd-dcf7652066df/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>041 – I’ve Finally Gotten Myself To A Sense Of Peace</title><itunes:title>041 – I’ve Finally Gotten Myself To A Sense Of Peace</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>After two years in foster care, Janet was adopted into the foster family. An interracial woman,&nbsp;she grew up in a white midwestern community in Ohio. Janet recalls the love she felt from her family and the isolation of being one of two people of color in her town.&nbsp;Through the International Soundex Reunion Registry (ISRR.net) she connected with her birth mother who had been waiting for her to register for years. In reunion, Janet forged a tight bond with her birth mother and maternal brother. On her birth father’s&nbsp;side, she finally met &amp; bonded with her brother, the first person&nbsp;of African American descent she ever met that she is related to.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/041-ive-finally-gotten-sense-peace/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">041 – I’ve Finally Gotten Myself To A Sense Of Peace</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After two years in foster care, Janet was adopted into the foster family. An interracial woman,&nbsp;she grew up in a white midwestern community in Ohio. Janet recalls the love she felt from her family and the isolation of being one of two people of color in her town.&nbsp;Through the International Soundex Reunion Registry (ISRR.net) she connected with her birth mother who had been waiting for her to register for years. In reunion, Janet forged a tight bond with her birth mother and maternal brother. 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When she met her natural mother, she finally learned the story of what the woman had been through as the pieces of 50 years of history returned to her memory. Maryilyn admits she didn't have a huge void to fill in seeking reunion but that being in reunion has opened up closeness with her natural mother that some of her closest friends have waited years to achieve. Listen at the end for the cute story of how her son met his grandmother for the first time right at his own school, you're gonna love it. This is Marilyn's journey.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marilyn called me from Southeast Tennessee. When she met her natural mother, she finally learned the story of what the woman had been through as the pieces of 50 years of history returned to her memory. Maryilyn admits she didn't have a huge void to fill in seeking reunion but that being in reunion has opened up closeness with her natural mother that some of her closest friends have waited years to achieve. Listen at the end for the cute story of how her son met his grandmother for the first time right at his own school, you're gonna love it. This is Marilyn's journey.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/138-she-never-thought-she-would-see-me-again]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">efb14f46-5b8c-49f4-8fe8-7ff659b13a1e</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/b5917111-d436-4d73-980e-521777c692f6/rKlQI-ilbwCOMkrQbMz_E3GP.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2024 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d7f3b83b-8863-4325-aac6-1f457d8df277/138-she-never-thought-she-would-see-me-again-final.mp3" length="32916448" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>34:00</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>8</itunes:season><itunes:episode>138</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>138</podcast:episode><podcast:season>8</podcast:season></item><item><title>124 – I Didn’t Do Anything To Him</title><itunes:title>124 - I Didn&apos;t Do Anything To Him</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Gayla called me, with her best friend Lisa, from Georgia.&nbsp;Gayla said she was loved so much by her adopted parents that you never would have known she was an adoptee.&nbsp;When she found her biological mother they got really close until the woman said something unkind about her adopted mother that strained their relationship some.&nbsp;Locating her biological father, Gayla was met with rejection until she drove 5 hours to meet the man face to face.&nbsp;A well&nbsp;intended misstep drove a wedge between them, so she holds out hope that her apology will be meaningful and they can be friends. This is Gayla’s journey.&nbsp;</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gayla called me, with her best friend Lisa, from Georgia.&nbsp;Gayla said she was loved so much by her adopted parents that you never would have known she was an adoptee.&nbsp;When she found her biological mother they got really close until the woman said something unkind about her adopted mother that strained their relationship some.&nbsp;Locating her biological father, Gayla was met with rejection until she drove 5 hours to meet the man face to face.&nbsp;A well&nbsp;intended misstep drove a wedge between them, so she holds out hope that her apology will be meaningful and they can be friends. This is Gayla’s journey.&nbsp;</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/124-i-didnt-do-anything-to-him]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">06b1789d-b437-4764-a19d-4150f98a4576</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2024 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/707efc07-97a7-4bd8-a829-9ea40f8ae02b/124-i-didnt-do-anything-to-him-final.mp3" length="68552164" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>47:36</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>6</itunes:season><itunes:episode>124</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>124</podcast:episode><podcast:season>6</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/83751bec-2d12-4a26-a053-74631c2ed49b/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>087 – A Journey To Find Out Where I Came From</title><itunes:title>087 – A Journey To Find Out Where I Came From</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>When he was a kid, Bill saw clues here and there that he was adopted, but no one ever actually said it.&nbsp;It&nbsp;wasn’t until he called an uncle he’d never met before that the truth was revealed, turning Bill’s world upside down. Reunion with his birth mother was an emotional event with a woman who was told never to speak of his existence again.&nbsp;Bill talks about how he felt toward the father he grew up who took the secret of his adoption to his grave, and how redemptive it’s been to be accepted by his birth parents and his new siblings on both sides.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a></p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=0.03" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Hey there. I just wanted to take a sec to let you know that in between producing the show, chasing my son Seth around and generally living life, I took time to write a book about my own adoption journey. It’s called Who Am I Really? Of course. If you’d like to preorder a copy, go to WhoAmIReallypodcast.com and click shop where you will be redirected to the publishers bookstore. I hope to make it to your reading list. Okay, here’s this week’s show.</p><p>Bill:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.17" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:30</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I just realized that what was so upsetting was all the stuff I had missed. I missed 54 years with these people. I missed 54 years with my parents. I missed 54 years with my aunts and uncles and my sisters that I’ll never get back and that was really, really weighing on me and I just, I got to a point where I learned that I have to just accept that and I got to try to get past it.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=65" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=76.44" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:16</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Bill. He called me from Virginia Beach, Virginia. When he was a kid, Bill saw clues here and there that he was adopted, but no one ever actually said it. It wasn’t until he called an uncle he’d never met before that the truth was revealed, turning Bill’s world upside down. He talks about how he felt toward the father he grew up with after learning the news and how redemptive it’s been to be accepted by his birth parents and his new siblings. This is Bill’s journey. Bill tells his adoption story in parts. I gathered, It was because he’s had to accumulate the facts over his lifetime. The first part of his story he calls, what I knew, where he describes exactly that, the things that he knew were the facts of his life. For example, he was born in January of 1963 his birth place was a Methodist hospital in Omaha, Nebraska. His father’s name was Bill. His first wife’s name was Audrey.</p><p>Bill:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=147.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:27</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I knew that sometime when I was two years old, Audrey passed away in June of 65 and I know that, uh, my father remarried my mother who raised me and uh, November of 67 that I knew, I knew that I grew up with a mother who wasn’t my real mother. I knew she was my step, but I grew up with that stereotypical Walt Whitman, uh, suburban family. There was nothing that we couldn’t do. Daryl and uh, his wife Jean went on to have four children, two boys and two girls. So I grew up as the oldest of five. Typical Irish Catholic family in Nebraska, the siblings, we were very, very close, but we fought like cats and dogs just like kids do. They were never any knock down drag outs. They were just those, you know, he took my toy, that type of stuff.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=205.741" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:25</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;sibling rivalry stuff.</p><p>Bill:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=207.96" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:27</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. Yeah. Now if someone outside of the family, picked on one of us, well then it was on because we would all take care of each other. But we’ve, you know, we fought like cats and dogs.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=219.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:39</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Bill said he did all of the typical stuff boys did back then. He was a scout. He went camping and hunting, hiking and stomping through the creeks. Bill attended Catholic schools through high school when he was 16, the family relocated to California, but back when he was around 11 years old, he got his first piece of hard evidence about his adoption.</p><p>Bill:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=242.24" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I never had any clues that I looked at as clues at the time that I was different than the others. I knew that she was my stepmother, but I, I just didn’t. It didn’t matter. She was my mother. A couple of times, I remember asking my father to tell me more about my mom’s side of the family, Audrey’s side of the family, because we are an Irish Catholic family, but we didn’t have cousins. Um, my father, my father had a older brother, but he was, he was mentally handicapped and never married. And My mother Jean had a, had a brother, but he was the stereotypical California lifelong bachelor. So when all my friends would go visit cousins and stuff over the summer and Christmas, we didn’t do that. So I remember asking him about my mom, Audrey’s family, because I knew about his family, but I didn’t know anything about hers.</p><p>Bill:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=298.7" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:58</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And the answer I got on two separate occasions was, it’s not something that I like to talk about because you know, I loved her and she died from cancer and I, it’s just not something that I could talk, I can talk about. And as, as a kid I just kind of said okay. And I didn’t push it. There was another time, uh, I was, uh, using the parish directory to call a friend of mine to...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When he was a kid, Bill saw clues here and there that he was adopted, but no one ever actually said it.&nbsp;It&nbsp;wasn’t until he called an uncle he’d never met before that the truth was revealed, turning Bill’s world upside down. Reunion with his birth mother was an emotional event with a woman who was told never to speak of his existence again.&nbsp;Bill talks about how he felt toward the father he grew up who took the secret of his adoption to his grave, and how redemptive it’s been to be accepted by his birth parents and his new siblings on both sides.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a></p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=0.03" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Hey there. I just wanted to take a sec to let you know that in between producing the show, chasing my son Seth around and generally living life, I took time to write a book about my own adoption journey. It’s called Who Am I Really? Of course. If you’d like to preorder a copy, go to WhoAmIReallypodcast.com and click shop where you will be redirected to the publishers bookstore. I hope to make it to your reading list. Okay, here’s this week’s show.</p><p>Bill:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.17" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:30</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I just realized that what was so upsetting was all the stuff I had missed. I missed 54 years with these people. I missed 54 years with my parents. I missed 54 years with my aunts and uncles and my sisters that I’ll never get back and that was really, really weighing on me and I just, I got to a point where I learned that I have to just accept that and I got to try to get past it.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=65" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=76.44" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:16</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Bill. He called me from Virginia Beach, Virginia. When he was a kid, Bill saw clues here and there that he was adopted, but no one ever actually said it. It wasn’t until he called an uncle he’d never met before that the truth was revealed, turning Bill’s world upside down. He talks about how he felt toward the father he grew up with after learning the news and how redemptive it’s been to be accepted by his birth parents and his new siblings. This is Bill’s journey. Bill tells his adoption story in parts. I gathered, It was because he’s had to accumulate the facts over his lifetime. The first part of his story he calls, what I knew, where he describes exactly that, the things that he knew were the facts of his life. For example, he was born in January of 1963 his birth place was a Methodist hospital in Omaha, Nebraska. His father’s name was Bill. His first wife’s name was Audrey.</p><p>Bill:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=147.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:27</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I knew that sometime when I was two years old, Audrey passed away in June of 65 and I know that, uh, my father remarried my mother who raised me and uh, November of 67 that I knew, I knew that I grew up with a mother who wasn’t my real mother. I knew she was my step, but I grew up with that stereotypical Walt Whitman, uh, suburban family. There was nothing that we couldn’t do. Daryl and uh, his wife Jean went on to have four children, two boys and two girls. So I grew up as the oldest of five. Typical Irish Catholic family in Nebraska, the siblings, we were very, very close, but we fought like cats and dogs just like kids do. They were never any knock down drag outs. They were just those, you know, he took my toy, that type of stuff.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=205.741" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:25</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;sibling rivalry stuff.</p><p>Bill:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=207.96" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:27</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. Yeah. Now if someone outside of the family, picked on one of us, well then it was on because we would all take care of each other. But we’ve, you know, we fought like cats and dogs.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=219.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:39</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Bill said he did all of the typical stuff boys did back then. He was a scout. He went camping and hunting, hiking and stomping through the creeks. Bill attended Catholic schools through high school when he was 16, the family relocated to California, but back when he was around 11 years old, he got his first piece of hard evidence about his adoption.</p><p>Bill:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=242.24" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I never had any clues that I looked at as clues at the time that I was different than the others. I knew that she was my stepmother, but I, I just didn’t. It didn’t matter. She was my mother. A couple of times, I remember asking my father to tell me more about my mom’s side of the family, Audrey’s side of the family, because we are an Irish Catholic family, but we didn’t have cousins. Um, my father, my father had a older brother, but he was, he was mentally handicapped and never married. And My mother Jean had a, had a brother, but he was the stereotypical California lifelong bachelor. So when all my friends would go visit cousins and stuff over the summer and Christmas, we didn’t do that. So I remember asking him about my mom, Audrey’s family, because I knew about his family, but I didn’t know anything about hers.</p><p>Bill:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=298.7" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:58</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And the answer I got on two separate occasions was, it’s not something that I like to talk about because you know, I loved her and she died from cancer and I, it’s just not something that I could talk, I can talk about. And as, as a kid I just kind of said okay. And I didn’t push it. There was another time, uh, I was, uh, using the parish directory to call a friend of mine to see if I could come over and play. Well, he, he and I were on the phone, I was flipping through the directory and I found our name and like kids do. I’m just sitting there and reading, making sure everything was right. And when it listed the siblings, it said me with A after it brother one, brother two, and sister. And I thought, well, what’s the A mean?</p><p>Bill:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=348.65" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:48</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So I looked at the front in the key and it said adopted. So when I hung up the phone, I found my, my father and I asked him, why does it say adopted after my name in the parish directory and his response was, well, when I married your mother Jean, she adopted you. And I thought, Oh okay, can I go to my friend’s house now? And I never thought anything else about it. The last time I remember asking him about it was, it was probably after we moved, we were living in California and I was like probably been in an argument with somebody and I was feeling a little cranky and I remember asking him another time about, who I called my real mom, Audrey. And again, he gave me the same story and I said, you know, if you don’t tell me, I’m just going to have to find out all my own. And his response that time was, well, if you do, be careful because you might not like what you find. And I just thought it was an odd response, but I just didn’t process it. I just didn’t do anything with it.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=417.76" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:57</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If you haven’t figured it out. Bill grew up not knowing he was adopted. He’s a late discovery adoptee. Bill told me his life just kind of went on and he joined the US navy in 1982, when he was 19 years old. Bill had posts in different parts of the country and all over the world. Eventually landing on the east coast where he met his wife. They started a family, bought a house and started having children.</p><p>Bill:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=445.2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:25</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I had just deployed, going across the Atlantic into the Mediterranean and I get a message that I need to call home immediately because there’s a medical problem. So I was able to get ahold of a phone. This was before the internet, before emails. So we just had to do things the hard way. I called home and I was told that my father had been diagnosed with inoperable pancreatic cancer. He had three to five months and I needed to come home because it’s going to be a a six month deployment. So there was a shot that I wouldn’t see him again. So I went, uh, I flew back to the states. Spent some time with my father, the family, and then eventually get back to the ship. Uh, finished the deployment and I get home, uh, 20 years ago, this month in January of 99 this day actually that we are doing this, marks the 20th anniversary of his passing.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=501.18" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:21</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh Man. I’m sorry. Wow.</p><p>Bill:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=503.64" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:23</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. Uh, he was in hospice when I finally got back home and he never said anything to me. So you know, he died in January of 99</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=515.12" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;so I think what you were saying is he never revealed your truth there on his death bed.</p><p>Bill:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=519.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:39</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That’s true. Yes.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=521.8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:41</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Bill’s father died in January of 1999, in April of that same year he was stationed back in his home state of Nebraska. He traveled to Nebraska to search for a place to live and since he was home, he visited the cemetery where his mother, Audrey is buried along with his grandparents. Visiting the graves Bill, started writing down birth and death dates for his relatives. He hadn’t had that information before. He realized he would like to see his birth announcement, something the Omaha newspaper used to print. So he went to the central library to do some research. Unfortunately, the newspaper wasn’t posting the birth announcements in the year Bill was born, so his announcement wasn’t in the libraries archives. So he decided to look up Audrey’s obituary where he learned she had six siblings, aunts and uncles on her side of the family that he didn’t know. He printed the document and took it home to jump on the Internet, which was brand new at the time. Bill found what amounted to a gigantic phone book listed online. Audrey’s brother had a very unique name and lived in a small town, so he seemed like the easiest person to locate.</p><p>Bill:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=594.96" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:54</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So I thought, what the heck? I typed in his name and I get one return and I write the phone number down and I do it for all of her siblings and I find, I don’t know, three or four of them. So I remember sitting on that for a little bit, a couple of days, and then I thought, you know what? What’s the worst that can happen? So my, my wife wasn’t home, she was visiting her parents, uh, with the boys and I just picked up the phone one night and I make a, a long distance phone call. And this elderly man answers the phone. And I asked him, are you so and so? And he says, yes. Then I asked him, did you have a sister named Audrey who was married to a, this man Bill? And, uh, she passed away in, uh, in June of 65.</p><p>Bill:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4bGtDikRO0I1wk8OUh62nteQ22wNBWTCvnikn1Swq3OhSXMizq1AZVcuMVcScKI0AddTzYpEVNRShs1b9b5v8YMer_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=644.25" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>10:44</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And he hesitantly says yes. And I just blurted it out. I said, well, sir, I guess that makes you my uncle. And the first words out of his mouth were Billy? So he, he knew about me, but I didn’t know anything about him.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/087-a-journey-to-find-out-where-i-came-from]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2402</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/510a8c08-a9fc-4c33-b469-36922985182b/AQ4raj8D-Lrf5uxjEZfGDF0.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 10 Aug 2024 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/2bb866b1-e1ef-4d2f-a5e9-eb8650ce1530/087-a-journey-to-find-out-where-i-came-from-final.mp3" length="41397995" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>43:07</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>4</itunes:season><itunes:episode>87</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>87</podcast:episode><podcast:season>4</podcast:season><itunes:summary>When he was a kid, Bill saw clues here and there that he was adopted, but no one ever actually said it. It wasn’t until he called an uncle he’d never met before that the truth was revealed, turning Bill’s world upside down. Reunion with his birth mother was an emotional event with a woman who was…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>137 – Searching For Mom</title><itunes:title>137 - Searching For Mom</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Sara, from Seattle, Washington,&nbsp;was an over&nbsp;achiever adoptee who was secretly struggling and going off the rails.&nbsp;She intentionally avoided babies until her sister gave birth.. and having kids of her own drove home just how precious babies are.&nbsp;Sara feared reunion would&nbsp;literally kill her adoptive mother. But in reunion she finally heard from her biological mother that they looked just a like, a comment she had waited to hear her whole life.This is Sara’s journey.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sara, from Seattle, Washington,&nbsp;was an over&nbsp;achiever adoptee who was secretly struggling and going off the rails.&nbsp;She intentionally avoided babies until her sister gave birth.. and having kids of her own drove home just how precious babies are.&nbsp;Sara feared reunion would&nbsp;literally kill her adoptive mother. But in reunion she finally heard from her biological mother that they looked just a like, a comment she had waited to hear her whole life.This is Sara’s journey.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/137-searching-for-mom]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">88ac8d3f-e489-4a07-93e0-cf4d25f18a21</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/9763fb4e-dc1a-47fa-b088-914ee0436fba/cQPVD2woZ9NiOKEjCSEPPlN3.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2024 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/31e5ac8a-ec9c-4d4a-a912-e4c40504c4f9/137-searching-for-mom-final.mp3" length="97274100" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:07:33</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>7</itunes:season><itunes:episode>137</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>137</podcast:episode><podcast:season>7</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/237d5438-9ce2-4473-802c-74fca21b40fa/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>104 – You’re Obviously One Of Us</title><itunes:title>104 – You’re Obviously One Of Us</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Karen is from Stratford, Ontario, Canada.&nbsp;She shares her story of growing up a woman of color who stood out in her family and community.</p><p>Locating her birth mother she found little connection and a bit of tension, but ultimately she wants to keep the relationship going. That’s partially because her paternal reunion, while fulfilling in the most heartwarming ways, was sadly too brief.&nbsp;This is Karen’s journey.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/104-youre-obviously-one-of-us/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">104 – You’re Obviously One Of Us</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Karen (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=4.22" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:04</a>):</p><p>I was so sad at the time. I wish that that had been possible just because of everything I had been through as a kid and never feeling like I belonged and realizing that there had been a possibility that I could have been raised by him that he wanted to, but wasn't given an option.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=32.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:32</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=44.81" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:44</a>):</p><p>Who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members? I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Karen. I spoke with her from Stratford, Ontario, Canada. She shares her story of growing up a woman of color who stood out in her family and community locating her birth mother. She found little connection and a bit of tension, but ultimately she wants to keep the relationship going. That's partially because her paternal reunion while fulfilling in the most heartwarming ways was sadly too brief. This is Karen's journey. Karen opened by saying how helpful the show has been for understanding how other adoptees feel, because it's not often that the subject of our own adoptions comes up. So sometimes the people who are closest to us don't even know we're adoptees. The night before our interview, she was sitting around a campfire on the beach where she told someone she's known for 10 years, that she was going to be interviewed the next day about her adoption, her friend, remarked, that she didn't even know that fact about Karen. I hope you'll forgive the raspiness of Karen's voice. Apparently it was a great time around the campfire that night. Karen shared that she was born in Toronto, Canada and adopted as an infant after spending time with two different foster families in the Toronto newspaper. In the 1960s and seventies, there was a column called today's child, which listed children for adoption, who were considered less desirable for adoption to use Karen's words. These children were older, were not white, or maybe had some sort of disability.</p><p>Karen (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=150.77" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:30</a>):</p><p>I was one of those children. And, um, I have a copy of that, that article. So there's picture of me when I'm nine months old and then they write a description about me. And it's funny, I just went over it again this morning. And the description that they wrote about me then is still the same for me now,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=171.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:51</a>):</p><p>Really it was an accurate depiction of who your personality is, and isn't that fascinating to read that it really is.</p><p>Karen (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=180.19" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:00</a>):</p><p>It really is. And I mean, I've read this, but I'll call her a million times. But each time I think I'm seeing it from different eyes, depending where I am in my own life experience.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=195.06" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:15</a>):</p><p>She was adopted by parents who had three children of their own, but her adopted mother was told not to have any more children. Her youngest naturally born child had medical issues that required a complete blood transfusion, but the family wanted more kids. Karen was adopted into a white family whom Karen said, didn't really know any other black people. And there really weren't any people of color in her community. She was the only one</p><p>Karen (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=222.99" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:42</a>):</p><p>Growing up in my family was it was a good experience, except for always feeling like I didn't really belong anywhere. I was a pretty strong kid, as far as just making things work. I ended up probably becoming the class clown because of that. And I ended up excelling in sports, I think because of that, because I needed a place to fit. Right. So when I think back on it, I think that's how I found my place was just by excelling or being funny.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=257.97" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:17</a>):</p><p>It's interesting. It almost sounds to me like you were already out there, there was a spotlight on you regardless. So it sounds like you just embraced it and said, I'm going all in. You're already looking at me</p><p>Karen (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=273.81" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:33</a>):</p><p>Exactly. Right? Yeah. I'm glad that that's, that was my personality to be able to do that because otherwise it would have been really difficult. But even from, from being a little kid, some of my first memories are feeling like people are staring at me because I'm walking in with this white family and me and, and I, I stood out because there weren't any other black kids around, you know? So, um, when I was really little, um, maybe three years old, I think anyways, uh, my mom said we were walking past a window full of mannequins and it was mannequins of different nationalities maybe. And, uh, um, I looked at my mom and I said, she was like my Brown. So I was always aware of being different. People often say that kids don't know that there, that there's any difference between children. You know, children are just children and people don't kids don't see any difference. But I knew I was different</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=346.38" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:46</a>):</p><p>Thinking about growing up in a homogenous environment where she was the kid that stood out. I wondered what it was like for Karen. When she and her friends started dating, she recalled one dance where the girls are supposed to ask the boys to be their dates. A Sadie Hawkins dance was what came to mind for me. But I had to admit to myself, I had no idea what that really meant. Wikipedia says the Sadie Hawkins dance was created from a comic strip called Lil Abner that ran for 43 years from 1934 to 1977. It was about some fictional hillbillies who lived in some Podunk town called Dogpatch USA in the comic strip. An influential man in town is concerned that his not so attractive daughter, Sadie Hawkins will never get a date, get married and move out. So he flips the script and declares Sadie Hawkins day, where the women are to chase after the town's bachelors with the intent to get married. Now, imagine for a moment that you're a young woman of color in a town full of high school students who don't look like you and it's time for the Sadie Hawkins dance.</p><p>Karen (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=418.6" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:58</a>):</p><p>I can remember one of the dances in high school where the girls asked the boys and there was one other black family in town, but by high school, there was one other black family at my high school. And I just assumed that I was supposed to ask that boy, I didn't even know him, but he was the boy I asked for this dance because I thought that's the way it was supposed to be. I didn't really think I had any other options. And that would be super uncomfortable experience because we didn't need to know each other. So, you know, me telling me yep. Yep. He accepted gladly and you know, I've never really had a conversation with him about that since I should. He was probably glad to be asked to</p><p>Damon (<a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen is from Stratford, Ontario, Canada.&nbsp;She shares her story of growing up a woman of color who stood out in her family and community.</p><p>Locating her birth mother she found little connection and a bit of tension, but ultimately she wants to keep the relationship going. That’s partially because her paternal reunion, while fulfilling in the most heartwarming ways, was sadly too brief.&nbsp;This is Karen’s journey.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/104-youre-obviously-one-of-us/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">104 – You’re Obviously One Of Us</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Karen (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=4.22" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:04</a>):</p><p>I was so sad at the time. I wish that that had been possible just because of everything I had been through as a kid and never feeling like I belonged and realizing that there had been a possibility that I could have been raised by him that he wanted to, but wasn't given an option.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=32.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:32</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=44.81" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:44</a>):</p><p>Who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members? I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Karen. I spoke with her from Stratford, Ontario, Canada. She shares her story of growing up a woman of color who stood out in her family and community locating her birth mother. She found little connection and a bit of tension, but ultimately she wants to keep the relationship going. That's partially because her paternal reunion while fulfilling in the most heartwarming ways was sadly too brief. This is Karen's journey. Karen opened by saying how helpful the show has been for understanding how other adoptees feel, because it's not often that the subject of our own adoptions comes up. So sometimes the people who are closest to us don't even know we're adoptees. The night before our interview, she was sitting around a campfire on the beach where she told someone she's known for 10 years, that she was going to be interviewed the next day about her adoption, her friend, remarked, that she didn't even know that fact about Karen. I hope you'll forgive the raspiness of Karen's voice. Apparently it was a great time around the campfire that night. Karen shared that she was born in Toronto, Canada and adopted as an infant after spending time with two different foster families in the Toronto newspaper. In the 1960s and seventies, there was a column called today's child, which listed children for adoption, who were considered less desirable for adoption to use Karen's words. These children were older, were not white, or maybe had some sort of disability.</p><p>Karen (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=150.77" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:30</a>):</p><p>I was one of those children. And, um, I have a copy of that, that article. So there's picture of me when I'm nine months old and then they write a description about me. And it's funny, I just went over it again this morning. And the description that they wrote about me then is still the same for me now,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=171.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:51</a>):</p><p>Really it was an accurate depiction of who your personality is, and isn't that fascinating to read that it really is.</p><p>Karen (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=180.19" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:00</a>):</p><p>It really is. And I mean, I've read this, but I'll call her a million times. But each time I think I'm seeing it from different eyes, depending where I am in my own life experience.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=195.06" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:15</a>):</p><p>She was adopted by parents who had three children of their own, but her adopted mother was told not to have any more children. Her youngest naturally born child had medical issues that required a complete blood transfusion, but the family wanted more kids. Karen was adopted into a white family whom Karen said, didn't really know any other black people. And there really weren't any people of color in her community. She was the only one</p><p>Karen (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=222.99" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:42</a>):</p><p>Growing up in my family was it was a good experience, except for always feeling like I didn't really belong anywhere. I was a pretty strong kid, as far as just making things work. I ended up probably becoming the class clown because of that. And I ended up excelling in sports, I think because of that, because I needed a place to fit. Right. So when I think back on it, I think that's how I found my place was just by excelling or being funny.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=257.97" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:17</a>):</p><p>It's interesting. It almost sounds to me like you were already out there, there was a spotlight on you regardless. So it sounds like you just embraced it and said, I'm going all in. You're already looking at me</p><p>Karen (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=273.81" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:33</a>):</p><p>Exactly. Right? Yeah. I'm glad that that's, that was my personality to be able to do that because otherwise it would have been really difficult. But even from, from being a little kid, some of my first memories are feeling like people are staring at me because I'm walking in with this white family and me and, and I, I stood out because there weren't any other black kids around, you know? So, um, when I was really little, um, maybe three years old, I think anyways, uh, my mom said we were walking past a window full of mannequins and it was mannequins of different nationalities maybe. And, uh, um, I looked at my mom and I said, she was like my Brown. So I was always aware of being different. People often say that kids don't know that there, that there's any difference between children. You know, children are just children and people don't kids don't see any difference. But I knew I was different</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=346.38" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:46</a>):</p><p>Thinking about growing up in a homogenous environment where she was the kid that stood out. I wondered what it was like for Karen. When she and her friends started dating, she recalled one dance where the girls are supposed to ask the boys to be their dates. A Sadie Hawkins dance was what came to mind for me. But I had to admit to myself, I had no idea what that really meant. Wikipedia says the Sadie Hawkins dance was created from a comic strip called Lil Abner that ran for 43 years from 1934 to 1977. It was about some fictional hillbillies who lived in some Podunk town called Dogpatch USA in the comic strip. An influential man in town is concerned that his not so attractive daughter, Sadie Hawkins will never get a date, get married and move out. So he flips the script and declares Sadie Hawkins day, where the women are to chase after the town's bachelors with the intent to get married. Now, imagine for a moment that you're a young woman of color in a town full of high school students who don't look like you and it's time for the Sadie Hawkins dance.</p><p>Karen (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=418.6" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:58</a>):</p><p>I can remember one of the dances in high school where the girls asked the boys and there was one other black family in town, but by high school, there was one other black family at my high school. And I just assumed that I was supposed to ask that boy, I didn't even know him, but he was the boy I asked for this dance because I thought that's the way it was supposed to be. I didn't really think I had any other options. And that would be super uncomfortable experience because we didn't need to know each other. So, you know, me telling me yep. Yep. He accepted gladly and you know, I've never really had a conversation with him about that since I should. He was probably glad to be asked to</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=471.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:51</a>):</p><p>When I asked Karen about when she decided to search for her birth family, she recounted a story from when she was about 12 years old. She's sitting at the dinner table one day alone with her father. He was the strong, silent type. But on this day he broke the silence</p><p>Karen (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=487.66" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:07</a>):</p><p>And out of the blue, he just asked me, do you ever want to find your birth mother? And I think I was so stunned. I don't remember what I said.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=497.05" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:17</a>):</p><p>It wasn't until Karen finished university that she actually started searching. She signed up for a reunification registry through the ministry of community and social services. And she sent away for her non identifying information in the early 1990s, Karen joined a parent finder group to learn how to search. She called it gum shoe, detective work, going to libraries, searching through microfiche for phone book entries and other clues before she got too far talking about all of that. Karen revealed something interesting.</p><p>Karen (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=530.5" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:50</a>):</p><p>I knew my first mother's name because at some point my parents had a meeting with the social worker. The social worker left her office, but left all the paperwork on the desk. And my mom, thank goodness she's nosy because she just kind of took a little peak, turned the paperwork around, noted the name and her address, and then just filed that away for, for later information. So I always knew my birth mother's name, and I always knew where she lived at the time that I was born.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=570.05" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:30</a>):</p><p>That is fascinating.</p><p>Karen (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=571.88" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:31</a>):</p><p>She wasn't supposed to have that information, but I often think the social worker did that on purpose.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=577.85" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:37</a>):</p><p>Having those pieces of information were massively helpful in Karen's search, when she went to the library in London, Ontario, she would look at directories that told you who lived at any specific address and their occupation that allowed Karen to track how long her birth mother lived at any given home. She was able to find her birth mother living at the address, her adopted mother memorized and shared with her. She lived there from 1966 to 1969 with a roommate tracing her steps. Karen lost track of her birth mother in 1969, but she was able to follow the roommate's movements. And she traced her for many more years. Fortunately, the roommate retained her same phone number for decades in the 1990s. Karen was in her early twenties, too terrified to make the call herself. Karen had a friend, the leader of the parent finder's group call the roommate, but listen to what her friend said before making the call</p><p>Karen (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=639.11" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:39</a>):</p><p>Because in those directories, my birth mother was living with a woman, the guys on parents' finders, joked, wouldn't it be funny if they were lesbians? And they were like, lepers, this was in the early nineties when nobody talked about that sort of thing, it was not right. It was all under cover at that point. And I just kind of looked at him and went like, who says stuff like that. Like that's not even funny.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=668.63" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:08</a>):</p><p>That's kind of inappropriate.</p><p>Karen (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=671.06" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:11</a>):</p><p>Right? So, and I mean, I'm used to inappropriate. I'm the only black kid around. So I get a phone call from him telling me that he's contacted the roommate. And guess what? Your birth mother is dead. That was the first thing he told me about her.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=690.68" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:30</a>):</p><p>And what did you think when he's coming off of this inappropriate joke and comment, but then two, he turns out to be right? What did you think?</p><p>Karen (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=698.45" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:38</a>):</p><p>I was devastated because I grew up in a Baptist family. I grew up in a really conservative area and I had known people who, you know, suspected were gay, but nobody talked about it and it was very taboo still. So I didn't know what that meant. I thought, Oh my God, does that mean I'm gay? Does that mean like, what does that mean? How is that even possible? She had me, so like there was, and there was nobody I can talk to about it. And I've really just kind of went crazy. Like I just, I didn't know how to handle that information. I received information like that today. You'd be like, yeah. So</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=750.12" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:30</a>):</p><p>Karen clearly pointed out that it was a different era and she was a different person with different beliefs and values than the woman she is today. She says she went with her sister to meet the roommate, but she doesn't recall anything about that visit except sitting in the woman's living room and receiving some pictures of her birth mother that the woman had kept. The roommate shared that she and Karen's birth mother maintained correspondence for a while after her birth mother returned to her native Holland. Apparently she had only been in Canada for a few years to answer the country's call for certain skilled professionals. It was during her time in Canada, that she got pregnant. The roommate shared with Karen that about 10 years after her birth mother returned to Holland, she receives a letter from her revealing her sexuality correspondence stopped after that each woman Karen's birth mother and the roommate misunderstood how the other would react to the news. So their relationship fell apart. As she talked about her birth mother's experience, Karen revealed the whole reason she was relinquished in the first place.</p><p>Karen (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=820.17" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:40</a>):</p><p>I was always searching. And I also knew that I had from my non identifying information, I knew that there was a half sister out there. The reason my birth mother went home is because I was born in February. My birth mother went to Caribana, which is a huge festival in Toronto. Every August. She saw my birth father there with another woman and the baby who looked exactly like me. So she found out that he had a baby with another woman a month after I was born. And that baby look just like me. So she's traumatized at this point. Like, I mean, she's already traumatized. She's given up a child. And the reason she gave up the child me was because she knew she couldn't take a black baby back home. So I'm always looking, because I know that I have a half sister that is right there, who looks just like me. So I was always looking over my shoulder.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=884.64" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">14:44</a>):</p><p>Karen didn't do any more formal searches until the early two thousands. At that time, a woman Karen was friends with at her job was of Dutch descent and was returning to Holland. Since her friend was making a trip to her home country. Karen asked if the woman would look in the phone book for her birth, mother's name Halena. When her friend returned from Holland, she had three phone numbers.</p><p>Karen (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ST0MkOBe-EmCpBOoRNC5Iv0YfLLGly_bU2VPB8zYppc6BHOdg1GyUemqV-90u8k0RclR2QlQNwTE2CBkG5D2XhDUbBs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=909.64" rel="noopener noreferrer"...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/104-youre-obviously-one-of-us]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2580</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 27 Jul 2024 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/916ff2d9-ba59-44a7-b467-968bb97d7214/104-youre-obviously-one-of-us-final.mp3" length="70972729" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>49:17</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>5</itunes:season><itunes:episode>104</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>104</podcast:episode><podcast:season>5</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Karen is from Stratford, Ontario, Canada. She shares her story of growing up a woman of color who stood out in her family and community. Locating her birth mother she found little connection and a bit of tension, but ultimately she wants to keep the relationship going. That’s partially because her paternal reunion, while fulfilling in…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>114 – My Two Moms</title><itunes:title>My Two Moms</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Wendy, from Massachussetts, was adopted through Louise Wise, an agency with a notorious reputation.&nbsp;Separately, the tragic murder of Lisa Steinberg triggered her adoptive mother to give Wendy open permission to find her birth mother to let her know she’s ok. On her search, Wendy found her birth father first, but connecting with&nbsp;her birth mother is where she’s found similar interests and a relationship that&nbsp;continues to grow as she introduces her birth mother to her family. This is Wendy’s journey.</p><p>Wendy (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=2.76" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:02</a>):</p><p>You know I called my adopted mom and said, you know, this is what happened. So she's been, you know, she has been part of the process the whole way along. And um very supportive, which I think is huge to have that kind of permission from your adopted parents and that, you know, comfort them being comfortable with the process has really been helpful to me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=32.87" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:32</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=42.44" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:42</a>):</p><p>Who am I, this is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show, you're going to meet Wendy. She called me from Massachusetts. Wendy was adopted through an agency with a notorious reputation separately. A tragic headline triggered her adoptive mother to give Wendy open permission to find her birth mother, to let her know she's okay on the search. Wendy found her birth father first, but connecting with her birth mother is where she found similar interests and a relationship that continues to grow. This is Wendy's journey. Wendy was born in July of 1968 in New York city adopted a few weeks later through the Louise wise agency. If the name of that agency sounds familiar, it's the one that was at the center of controversy in the documentary film, three identical strangers, the story Chronicles, identical triplets, who were separated at birth and intentionally placed for adoption into three different homes with different socioeconomic makeups. The men were studied throughout their childhoods. Then they found one another completely by accident. As young adults focusing on Wendy, her parents had been married six years before they adopted her through private adoption. Two years later, they adopted her sister through an attorney in California, then a year and a half after her parents unexpectedly had a biological son. That's three children in three and a half years in their home in Northern New Jersey. Wendy said when she arrived, her parents sent out announcements that had both her birth and adoption dates on them.</p><p>Wendy (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=157.34" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:37</a>):</p><p>You know, I felt very loved. It was a very positive family experience, very accepted by everyone in the family. Although the family was very small. So my mother, my adopted mother is still alive. She's 80 years old. My adopted father died when I was about 28 years old. So it's been quite a while. And um, in the community, my parents were, um, never hid the fact that my sister and I were adopted. Although, you know, it wasn't like a frequent topic of conversation. And I didn't, you know, I told people if asked, I don't think I really went around, announcing it to friends. You know, even through my search and reunion process, people who know, who have found out, some people have said to me, well, I never knew you were adopted.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=208.32" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:28</a>):</p><p>Wendy felt she could pass as her parents' child. In some ways they had similar eye and hair color different from her sister who kind of stood out more from them. I was curious about how the siblings got along with one another. They were three siblings of completely different biological makeup. Wendy said her sister was competitive with her and these days their relationship is strained. But with her brother, Wendy has a good relationship despite their age difference.</p><p>Wendy (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=237.9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:57</a>):</p><p>If you spent time with the three of us, you could observe certain, um, you know, values that we have and things about us that really are all very similar and probably came from our upbringing. And then you did observe some really stark differences amongst us.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=254.49" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:14</a>):</p><p>Wendy's father died of cancer. After a three year illness, she had just started her second career in nursing and was a new mother. Her own daughter was only 10 months old when her dad passed. I asked her about that time in their lives.</p><p>Wendy (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=270.54" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:30</a>):</p><p>He was probably one of my greatest supporters in life and we were very close. So he was, uh, uh, his loss was massive to me. And, um, you know, still to this day, I really, uh, have, you know, some degree of grief over it. So he was, um, a stellar father, even in my non identifying information. It's so interesting. Cause he, when I received that he shined through in personality as somebody who, you know, knew nothing about babies, but immediately took to me. And he was very active and involved father. Um, so yeah, that was a really tough loss.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=311.07" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:11</a>):</p><p>Growing up. Wendy said, she always wondered and wanted to know about her biological family, but she was hesitant to ask questions of her parents because she didn't want to hurt her parents' feelings,</p><p>Wendy (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=322.8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:22</a>):</p><p>Even sometimes having, you know, some crazy thoughts about if I ask, they're going to ask me to leave.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=329.22" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:29</a>):</p><p>Wendy's parents did share some things about her adoption with her, but she still held off on pursuing more information. She fantasized about who her birth parents might be and living close to and visiting New York city frequently. She wondered if she was passing her birth mother on the street and neither of them were the wiser in the fall of 1987. Wendy had started college and she was home for Thanksgiving right before her return home a tragedy hit the news and adopted girl named Elisa Steinberg was beaten to death at the hands of her adopted parents. It was big news. Wendy's mom sat her two daughters down to discuss the tragedy and what she felt. It meant to them.</p><p>Wendy (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=375.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:15</a>):</p><p>My sister and I down at the kitchen table. I can vividly remember this talking about that event with us and basically said, you know, each of you needs to find your biological mother. She needs to know you're alive. You know, we raised you well you're okay. And, um, you know, that was a moment of like so much permission that I, I felt from that point on, I really had kind of permission to move forward, but, um, you know, my adopted mom while she's always been a big supporter of, um, my search, I think, you know, she's never known really how to search. So she's always told me, Oh, so, and so did this or so, and so did that. Why don't you try this? But you know, for me, the, the permission part was big. So, you know, even on that was 1987, I didn't really move on it much. I mean, I was in college, I was busy studying, hanging out with my friends, you know, developing kind of my life. And I didn't really know what to do</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=435.7" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:15</a>):</p><p>As with so many other adoptees, the birth of Wendy's first child and the gravity of bringing another person into the world who was the first blood relation she had ever had sparked...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wendy, from Massachussetts, was adopted through Louise Wise, an agency with a notorious reputation.&nbsp;Separately, the tragic murder of Lisa Steinberg triggered her adoptive mother to give Wendy open permission to find her birth mother to let her know she’s ok. On her search, Wendy found her birth father first, but connecting with&nbsp;her birth mother is where she’s found similar interests and a relationship that&nbsp;continues to grow as she introduces her birth mother to her family. This is Wendy’s journey.</p><p>Wendy (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=2.76" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:02</a>):</p><p>You know I called my adopted mom and said, you know, this is what happened. So she's been, you know, she has been part of the process the whole way along. And um very supportive, which I think is huge to have that kind of permission from your adopted parents and that, you know, comfort them being comfortable with the process has really been helpful to me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=32.87" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:32</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=42.44" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:42</a>):</p><p>Who am I, this is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show, you're going to meet Wendy. She called me from Massachusetts. Wendy was adopted through an agency with a notorious reputation separately. A tragic headline triggered her adoptive mother to give Wendy open permission to find her birth mother, to let her know she's okay on the search. Wendy found her birth father first, but connecting with her birth mother is where she found similar interests and a relationship that continues to grow. This is Wendy's journey. Wendy was born in July of 1968 in New York city adopted a few weeks later through the Louise wise agency. If the name of that agency sounds familiar, it's the one that was at the center of controversy in the documentary film, three identical strangers, the story Chronicles, identical triplets, who were separated at birth and intentionally placed for adoption into three different homes with different socioeconomic makeups. The men were studied throughout their childhoods. Then they found one another completely by accident. As young adults focusing on Wendy, her parents had been married six years before they adopted her through private adoption. Two years later, they adopted her sister through an attorney in California, then a year and a half after her parents unexpectedly had a biological son. That's three children in three and a half years in their home in Northern New Jersey. Wendy said when she arrived, her parents sent out announcements that had both her birth and adoption dates on them.</p><p>Wendy (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=157.34" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:37</a>):</p><p>You know, I felt very loved. It was a very positive family experience, very accepted by everyone in the family. Although the family was very small. So my mother, my adopted mother is still alive. She's 80 years old. My adopted father died when I was about 28 years old. So it's been quite a while. And um, in the community, my parents were, um, never hid the fact that my sister and I were adopted. Although, you know, it wasn't like a frequent topic of conversation. And I didn't, you know, I told people if asked, I don't think I really went around, announcing it to friends. You know, even through my search and reunion process, people who know, who have found out, some people have said to me, well, I never knew you were adopted.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=208.32" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:28</a>):</p><p>Wendy felt she could pass as her parents' child. In some ways they had similar eye and hair color different from her sister who kind of stood out more from them. I was curious about how the siblings got along with one another. They were three siblings of completely different biological makeup. Wendy said her sister was competitive with her and these days their relationship is strained. But with her brother, Wendy has a good relationship despite their age difference.</p><p>Wendy (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=237.9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:57</a>):</p><p>If you spent time with the three of us, you could observe certain, um, you know, values that we have and things about us that really are all very similar and probably came from our upbringing. And then you did observe some really stark differences amongst us.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=254.49" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:14</a>):</p><p>Wendy's father died of cancer. After a three year illness, she had just started her second career in nursing and was a new mother. Her own daughter was only 10 months old when her dad passed. I asked her about that time in their lives.</p><p>Wendy (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=270.54" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:30</a>):</p><p>He was probably one of my greatest supporters in life and we were very close. So he was, uh, uh, his loss was massive to me. And, um, you know, still to this day, I really, uh, have, you know, some degree of grief over it. So he was, um, a stellar father, even in my non identifying information. It's so interesting. Cause he, when I received that he shined through in personality as somebody who, you know, knew nothing about babies, but immediately took to me. And he was very active and involved father. Um, so yeah, that was a really tough loss.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=311.07" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:11</a>):</p><p>Growing up. Wendy said, she always wondered and wanted to know about her biological family, but she was hesitant to ask questions of her parents because she didn't want to hurt her parents' feelings,</p><p>Wendy (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=322.8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:22</a>):</p><p>Even sometimes having, you know, some crazy thoughts about if I ask, they're going to ask me to leave.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=329.22" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:29</a>):</p><p>Wendy's parents did share some things about her adoption with her, but she still held off on pursuing more information. She fantasized about who her birth parents might be and living close to and visiting New York city frequently. She wondered if she was passing her birth mother on the street and neither of them were the wiser in the fall of 1987. Wendy had started college and she was home for Thanksgiving right before her return home a tragedy hit the news and adopted girl named Elisa Steinberg was beaten to death at the hands of her adopted parents. It was big news. Wendy's mom sat her two daughters down to discuss the tragedy and what she felt. It meant to them.</p><p>Wendy (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=375.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:15</a>):</p><p>My sister and I down at the kitchen table. I can vividly remember this talking about that event with us and basically said, you know, each of you needs to find your biological mother. She needs to know you're alive. You know, we raised you well you're okay. And, um, you know, that was a moment of like so much permission that I, I felt from that point on, I really had kind of permission to move forward, but, um, you know, my adopted mom while she's always been a big supporter of, um, my search, I think, you know, she's never known really how to search. So she's always told me, Oh, so, and so did this or so, and so did that. Why don't you try this? But you know, for me, the, the permission part was big. So, you know, even on that was 1987, I didn't really move on it much. I mean, I was in college, I was busy studying, hanging out with my friends, you know, developing kind of my life. And I didn't really know what to do</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=435.7" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:15</a>):</p><p>As with so many other adoptees, the birth of Wendy's first child and the gravity of bringing another person into the world who was the first blood relation she had ever had sparked feelings within her. She said, she knew for many years that the number on her birth certificate matched something in the New York birth index. She also felt like she had other search options</p><p>Wendy (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=459.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:39</a>):</p><p>Years ago, really through reading a not autobiographical book that I could go to the New York public library and try to match up my number and find out what my birth name was, um, which I never actually did because I felt very overwhelmed at that thought. Again, you know, I was working, I was a young mom. I thought, how am I going to go to the New York public library and go through all these records, discover, figure this out. And you know, again, we might get to this later, had I even found my birth name at that point. It wouldn't have been helpful to me because the last name was not that accurate last name. My not only identifying information indicated that my birth mother used an alias of comes to understand that maybe that was provided by her parents as a way for her to be, um, not identified. But, um, you know, I knew I could do that. And then like basically slowly over the years, as I started making different types of attempts</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=521.53" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:41</a>):</p><p>In 2004, Wendy learned about the New York state adoption registry and she thought she could register. But she was told that since she was born in New York, but formally adopted in New Jersey, she didn't qualify for the registry. In 2009, Wendy received her non identifying information. Louise wise had closed and the records were being kept by Spence Chapen. She learned that she could register with the international soundex reunion registry, but nothing came of that. Either. Wendy always wondered what her ancestral composition was and her children had been prodding her to take a DNA test in November of 2017, Wendy submitted DNA samples to ancestry DNA and 23 and me, she got tons of matches and try to make contact openly sharing that she's an adoptee on a search. Wendy said the responses she got in return. Weren't very helpful. Honestly, she turned to the online group search squad where two search angels engaged with her. Wendy said she wished she had started her DNA journey much sooner than 2017.</p><p>Wendy (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=592.13" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:52</a>):</p><p>One of them communicated with one of my DNA contacts very, very quickly identified my biological father and that was through ancestry. So, you know, part of the desire to have done this sooner is, um, you know, that the person, the one person who was a second cousin to my biological father who made that connection for me, um, she had tested many years earlier. So theoretically it could have known who he was, um, a long time ago. In fact, my biological mother was, um, found, uh, months later as a result of 23 and me that one probably would not have been solved any sooner because, um, it took time for a young 20 year old woman to test and come up as a fairly close connection to me in order to solve that puzzle.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=645.95" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:45</a>):</p><p>The search squad search angel got as far as figuring out whom she believed Wendy's maternal grandfather was, but the trail of clues went cold on him after high school. It seems like he had vanished, either changed his name or left the country. It turned out he had changed his name. So the search for Wendy's maternal biological roots was cold until another woman who shared her birth mother's maiden name also submitted a DNA sample. Once that link was made online, Wendy's team had more information to work with with that person's identifiable last name, Wendy could search obituaries and other information to assemble her family tree</p><p>Wendy (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=689.69" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:29</a>):</p><p>Both my biological parents are alive, which at my age was not my expectation that I would necessarily, you know, living people. Um, so, you know, part of, part of wishing I tested sooner was, you know, maybe some of these connections could have been made earlier. It was very interesting to find out what my ancestral composition was. Um, my non-identifying information said that I was born of, um, two Jewish parents, which is not true. And I was, yeah, I was surprised to learn that. Um, I had about half Eastern European Jewish ancestry through my biological mother and my biological father was Polish, Italian, um, Catholic man. And so never in my life, did I believe I was kind of this Italian Baltic ancestry. That's part of me, you know, naively very naively, I guess I've always sort of gone with the story and the non identifying information and believed it to be true. And much of it is not true.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=756.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:36</a>):</p><p>You know, it's a funny thing, and this is the challenge that I think a lot of adoptees faces, you know, your brain requires the spaces to be filled, right? And if somebody gives you a story, you're going to hold onto it in the absence of some more factual information. And so I find that a lot of times I hear adoptees say, you know, perhaps ignorantly, I believed this when in fact if you've got no and nothing else to go on, of course, you're going to believe that that's all you've got. You know what I mean? Right. So the order of discovery was Wendy's biological father was discovered first she matched DNA with his second cousin whom she had actually communicated with before the search angel had. But the search angel asked some more directed questions of that cousin, which brought out evidence that pointed to only one man in the small family who was the right age to be Wendy's birth father. Wendy says that her search taught her that we sometimes need a village of supporters to help us along the way. She found a lot of clues on her own, but the expeditious uncovering of her birth father's identity by the search angel showed that she did need assistance. I asked Wendy if she reached out to her birth father,</p><p>Wendy (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=835.62" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:55</a>):</p><p>I did, I re I've actually reached out to him several times when I found him, I wrote, um, what I would call a lovely letter, um, which I sent certified to him at this point. I didn't know who my biological mother was. And, um, I had his email address. So I, I sent it both certified and by email and I never received any sort of a response. Um, once they learned from my biological mother was they actually sent him another letter saying, you know, I've identified who she is. Um, and again, I've never received a response. I did try calling once and I got a machine then left a very awkward message ever received your response and about a year and a half or so passed. And I decided, you know, I'm going to give this one final try. Um, and again, I wrote another very beautiful letter, you know, I've included DNA information, linking him to me.</p><p>Wendy (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=899.27" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">14:59</a>):</p><p>I enclosed photograph of myself, um, you know, each time. Um, and that last letter I sent the end of this past October, and I've never received any sort of a response. I do know that he's alive. He did. I mean, it has been the first time I sent the certified letter, I couldn't really make out the signature on the return receipt and I thought, wow, did he get it the second time I sent it, um, restricted delivery and I could make out the name as being his name. So I believe, you know, he has gotten the information and has chosen to not respond.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=937" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">15:37</a>):</p><p>Will you keep trying?</p><p>Wendy (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CpsWtSmF2y4p55l4Lj6DJPpeoD41rOV1JB5YCB-Osi-Txkl4zQQ9IU-g-u0TqSLLY8GYOhJLGIlQG7Euhm6Gf4Fol48?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=939.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">15:39</a>):</p><p>Uh, no, I don't think so. I think I've tried enough. Um, you know, I've been very kind and gentle in what I've written and, um, you know, he obviously is disinterested or has a fear or, you know, I have no idea. So I think I'll just let it rest. What I really would have appreciated the most from him besides just some acknowledgement, you know, in my letter, I said it actually in my last letter, I sent a self addressed stamped envelope and said, could you just send this back to me, even with nothing in it, just so that I know you got this information, you know...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/my-two-moms]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">0e34bec4-1388-4e5c-aaf6-a499e720b54b</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2024 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/1bf2427d-91d2-46b3-9644-8e1fb0906f2b/114-my-two-moms-final.mp3" length="58096063" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>40:21</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>6</itunes:season><itunes:episode>114</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>114</podcast:episode><podcast:season>6</podcast:season></item><item><title>097 – You Gotta Forgive</title><itunes:title>097 – You Gotta Forgive</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>James called me from&nbsp;right&nbsp;up the road in Laurel, Maryland and we have one degree of separation with one of my adoptive father, Willie’s, friends. In his story you’ll hear his struggle to find himself and an identity as a youth in a family that didn’t look like him.&nbsp;It took him years to find his voice after a bitter divorce&nbsp;left him and his adopted siblings abused.&nbsp;Thankfully James’s wife, an excellent investigator found his birth parents and helped initiate meaningful&nbsp;reunions that allowed James to express forgiveness and find belonging.</p><p>Jame's book, "The Miracle" is available here:&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/3kMYSxV" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/3kMYSxV</a></p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/097-you-gotta-forgive/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">097 – You Gotta Forgive</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James called me from&nbsp;right&nbsp;up the road in Laurel, Maryland and we have one degree of separation with one of my adoptive father, Willie’s, friends. In his story you’ll hear his struggle to find himself and an identity as a youth in a family that didn’t look like him.&nbsp;It took him years to find his voice after a bitter divorce&nbsp;left him and his adopted siblings abused.&nbsp;Thankfully James’s wife, an excellent investigator found his birth parents and helped initiate meaningful&nbsp;reunions that allowed James to express forgiveness and find belonging.</p><p>Jame's book, "The Miracle" is available here:&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/3kMYSxV" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/3kMYSxV</a></p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/097-you-gotta-forgive/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">097 – You Gotta Forgive</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/097-you-gotta-forgive]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2533</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/cce1bd76-712c-466b-8ca0-03ec1b5f1306/eL00v9weTsgnkalZ4CocJRm3.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2024 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/2ac08d6d-592e-47d6-b8f4-110e17795c76/097-you-gotta-forgive-final.mp3" length="35062548" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>36:31</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>5</itunes:season><itunes:episode>97</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>97</podcast:episode><podcast:season>5</podcast:season><itunes:summary>James called me from right up the road in Laurel, Maryland and we have one degree of separation with one of my adoptive father, Willie’s, friends. In his story you’ll hear his struggle to find himself and an identity as a youth in a family that didn’t look like him. It took him years to find his voice…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>053 – Seeing The Life That Could Have Been</title><itunes:title>053 – Seeing The Life That Could Have Been</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Meredith had enough adoptees around her growing up that adoption was no big deal. Yet, her parents never felt comfortable actually discussing adoption. After getting pregnant, and spurred on by her mother-in-law’s intuition that Meredith wanted answers, she started searching. When her social worker found her biological parents, they were married with children. Her reunion has&nbsp;filled&nbsp;her with mixed emotions because she’s thankful for the life she’s led but’s she’s seen the family photos for the life that could&nbsp;have been.</p><p>The post <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/053-seeing-the-life-that-could-have-been/\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">053 – Seeing The Life That Could Have Been</a> appeared first on <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Meredith (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=3.17" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:03</a>):</p><p>In the beginning. I, I didn't set boundaries for myself, for the relationship with them, for, I didn't give myself time to feel anything. I think I was, you know, adoptees are people pleasers and that's what I was being. And I was so concerned about what everyone else was feeling. And I don't, I didn't recognize what I was going through. And I think maybe that's why I struggle a little bit more now with my emotions.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=35.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:35</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Meredith. She called me from Northern Virginia, but her story takes place up North in a small town in Massachusetts. There, she felt loved and adoption was no big deal growing up because there were adoptees around her and life was good. Her reunion happened quickly, but it was transformative for her when she learned her biological parents were together and her adopted parents felt betrayed. This is Meredith's journey. Meredith grew up in a quaint little town in Western Massachusetts. She said she doesn't remember even being told, but she always knew she was adopted. She also had an older sister, also adopted, but unrelated to herself, coincidentally Meredith's childhood best friend who lived right across the street was also an adoptee. So</p><p>Meredith (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=109.34" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:49</a>):</p><p>It just felt very normal to me. And then actually the day that I was adopted, I was adopted a month after I was born. Uh, we celebrate that as my special day. And, um, my mom always would make cupcakes for the class at school. Um, so it was kind of like a second birthday for me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=130.7" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:10</a>):</p><p>That is so cool</p><p>Meredith (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=130.7" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:10</a>):</p><p>Yeah. And we still, you know, she'll send me a special day card every year, which I still get. So yeah, it's always just been something that made me feel unique.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=141.02" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:21</a>):</p><p>Both sisters got birthday and special day celebrations and the girls were made to feel cherished and loved Meredith said she always had questions about adoption, but when she was younger, sometimes she would get a little pushback from her mother when she broached the topic. So she usually didn't</p><p>Meredith (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=158.96" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:38</a>):</p><p>It didn't, I didn't start to really think about it more until I was like in high school. And I don't know if it was partly my curiosity too, but a lot of people would ask me questions, which I think maybe sparked like me wanting to know more too. Does that make sense?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=178.96" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:58</a>):</p><p>Something that you haven't really Thought about, but as other people think about it more and more, it definitely invades your own mind. Right?</p><p>Meredith (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=186.48" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:06</a>):</p><p>Right. But honestly, when I was in high school, like I didn't even know where to start. I, I, wasn't still in contact with the other adoptee friend that I had. So I didn't really have a community of people who understood it or even knew like how to help me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=202.83" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:22</a>):</p><p>Those were pre-internet days in the 1990s. So while she wanted to search for her relatives, Meredith didn't have any ways to do so easily. While in high school, she says she didn't talk about adoption much with others on any meaningful level until she got married. She discussed being adopted with her husband and her mother-in-law.</p><p>Meredith (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=222.6" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:42</a>):</p><p>Cause she's just a very curious person. And she would ask me a lot of questions. And she's actually someone who helped me a lot in my search when I actually got answers.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=233.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:53</a>):</p><p>Meredith thinks that part of the reason she didn't search sooner was a little bit of fear, a lack of a real support system. And just not even knowing where to start narrative has already said that she only casually discussed adoption with others. So I wondered what it was about her mother-in-law that made Meredith open up.</p><p>Meredith (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=252.72" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:12</a>):</p><p>I think maybe because I knew that she genuinely cares about me and I think she saw that I wanted answers. And you know, sometimes you just need that little push that person to nudge you along and bring that out of you. And I feel like I knew that she would support any decision or outcome and she would be there for me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=276.9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:36</a>):</p><p>So her curiosity, her curiosity and support, evoked a feeling of trust. Yeah. for sure, just after Meredith and her husband got engaged in 2008. They were back in Western Massachusetts for her bridal shower. Her future mother-in-law traveling with them. The group was at Meredith's mother's house. And since adoption was an open topic among them, they decided to have a look at her baby book, which had her adoption information easily accessible within it.</p><p>Meredith (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=306.48" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:06</a>):</p><p>And we were just curious, and we were looking through adoption papers that my mom had just, um, non identifying information. And we noticed something on one of the papers. There was some whiteout and I had a friend with me there too. And so my mother in law and the friend noticed the whiteout and then they got kind of sparked my interest. You know, I've looked at these papers all my life. Why have I never questioned this whiteout? Um, so we start investigating and realized that there's a name under there. And we couldn't tell what the name was. It started with an E you know, we, we weren't sure</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=343.47" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:43</a>):</p><p>The friend and her mother-in-law were trying to figure out what the name under the whiteout could have been, but it was a covert operation and Meredith didn't want her mother to know they were analyzing her adoption records. The whole...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meredith had enough adoptees around her growing up that adoption was no big deal. Yet, her parents never felt comfortable actually discussing adoption. After getting pregnant, and spurred on by her mother-in-law’s intuition that Meredith wanted answers, she started searching. When her social worker found her biological parents, they were married with children. Her reunion has&nbsp;filled&nbsp;her with mixed emotions because she’s thankful for the life she’s led but’s she’s seen the family photos for the life that could&nbsp;have been.</p><p>The post <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/053-seeing-the-life-that-could-have-been/\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">053 – Seeing The Life That Could Have Been</a> appeared first on <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Meredith (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=3.17" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:03</a>):</p><p>In the beginning. I, I didn't set boundaries for myself, for the relationship with them, for, I didn't give myself time to feel anything. I think I was, you know, adoptees are people pleasers and that's what I was being. And I was so concerned about what everyone else was feeling. And I don't, I didn't recognize what I was going through. And I think maybe that's why I struggle a little bit more now with my emotions.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=35.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:35</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Meredith. She called me from Northern Virginia, but her story takes place up North in a small town in Massachusetts. There, she felt loved and adoption was no big deal growing up because there were adoptees around her and life was good. Her reunion happened quickly, but it was transformative for her when she learned her biological parents were together and her adopted parents felt betrayed. This is Meredith's journey. Meredith grew up in a quaint little town in Western Massachusetts. She said she doesn't remember even being told, but she always knew she was adopted. She also had an older sister, also adopted, but unrelated to herself, coincidentally Meredith's childhood best friend who lived right across the street was also an adoptee. So</p><p>Meredith (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=109.34" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:49</a>):</p><p>It just felt very normal to me. And then actually the day that I was adopted, I was adopted a month after I was born. Uh, we celebrate that as my special day. And, um, my mom always would make cupcakes for the class at school. Um, so it was kind of like a second birthday for me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=130.7" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:10</a>):</p><p>That is so cool</p><p>Meredith (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=130.7" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:10</a>):</p><p>Yeah. And we still, you know, she'll send me a special day card every year, which I still get. So yeah, it's always just been something that made me feel unique.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=141.02" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:21</a>):</p><p>Both sisters got birthday and special day celebrations and the girls were made to feel cherished and loved Meredith said she always had questions about adoption, but when she was younger, sometimes she would get a little pushback from her mother when she broached the topic. So she usually didn't</p><p>Meredith (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=158.96" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:38</a>):</p><p>It didn't, I didn't start to really think about it more until I was like in high school. And I don't know if it was partly my curiosity too, but a lot of people would ask me questions, which I think maybe sparked like me wanting to know more too. Does that make sense?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=178.96" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:58</a>):</p><p>Something that you haven't really Thought about, but as other people think about it more and more, it definitely invades your own mind. Right?</p><p>Meredith (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=186.48" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:06</a>):</p><p>Right. But honestly, when I was in high school, like I didn't even know where to start. I, I, wasn't still in contact with the other adoptee friend that I had. So I didn't really have a community of people who understood it or even knew like how to help me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=202.83" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:22</a>):</p><p>Those were pre-internet days in the 1990s. So while she wanted to search for her relatives, Meredith didn't have any ways to do so easily. While in high school, she says she didn't talk about adoption much with others on any meaningful level until she got married. She discussed being adopted with her husband and her mother-in-law.</p><p>Meredith (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=222.6" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:42</a>):</p><p>Cause she's just a very curious person. And she would ask me a lot of questions. And she's actually someone who helped me a lot in my search when I actually got answers.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=233.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:53</a>):</p><p>Meredith thinks that part of the reason she didn't search sooner was a little bit of fear, a lack of a real support system. And just not even knowing where to start narrative has already said that she only casually discussed adoption with others. So I wondered what it was about her mother-in-law that made Meredith open up.</p><p>Meredith (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=252.72" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:12</a>):</p><p>I think maybe because I knew that she genuinely cares about me and I think she saw that I wanted answers. And you know, sometimes you just need that little push that person to nudge you along and bring that out of you. And I feel like I knew that she would support any decision or outcome and she would be there for me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=276.9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:36</a>):</p><p>So her curiosity, her curiosity and support, evoked a feeling of trust. Yeah. for sure, just after Meredith and her husband got engaged in 2008. They were back in Western Massachusetts for her bridal shower. Her future mother-in-law traveling with them. The group was at Meredith's mother's house. And since adoption was an open topic among them, they decided to have a look at her baby book, which had her adoption information easily accessible within it.</p><p>Meredith (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=306.48" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:06</a>):</p><p>And we were just curious, and we were looking through adoption papers that my mom had just, um, non identifying information. And we noticed something on one of the papers. There was some whiteout and I had a friend with me there too. And so my mother in law and the friend noticed the whiteout and then they got kind of sparked my interest. You know, I've looked at these papers all my life. Why have I never questioned this whiteout? Um, so we start investigating and realized that there's a name under there. And we couldn't tell what the name was. It started with an E you know, we, we weren't sure</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=343.47" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:43</a>):</p><p>The friend and her mother-in-law were trying to figure out what the name under the whiteout could have been, but it was a covert operation and Meredith didn't want her mother to know they were analyzing her adoption records. The whole thing got her kind of freaked out. So they made copies of the documents and she let her curiosity subside for years, Meredith was thinking about having children. So the classic adoptee desire for health information was on her mind. But that piece of paper with redacted information also lingered in the recesses to. Additionally, her mother-in-law could really tell that she wanted answers. So she suggested they dig in to start a search and Meredith agreed. The documents she had gave a little bit of information about Meredith's birth parents. So they tried to triangulate for who the people could be, but there just wasn't enough to go on. Meredith contacted the adoption agency that did her adoption, which had transferred her records to the hospital where she was born.</p><p>Meredith (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=405.13" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:45</a>):</p><p>So I called contacted the hospital where my file was. And basically they gave me the same thing. You know, it's a closed adoption. All we can give you is non identifying information. You need to send us a written document with a signature, just requesting the information. So that's what I did. And then I got a call back from them when they pulled my file. So she told me that in my file, there was a letter from my birth mom when I w that was written when I was one day old. And it basically said that if I ever made contact that she wanted to be contacted.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=446.74" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:26</a>):</p><p>Wow.</p><p>Meredith (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=447.85" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:27</a>):</p><p>Yeah. So I guess technically that gives permission to open the file, but since it had been 30 years, she had to find her first and make sure that she still wanted to be contacted.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=462.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:42</a>):</p><p>Yeah. But that must have been heartening for you to know that in the moment that she was making these decisions, she did want to know you again one day.</p><p>Meredith (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=472.72" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:52</a>):</p><p>Yeah. Yeah. It was kinda crazy. And I was actually working full time at the, at the time. While, while I was getting the call phone calls and I just, I remember like sitting at my desk just like bawling my eyes out in the middle of the Workday. Um, just trying to like deal with this and then not being able to focus all day,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=496.18" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:16</a>):</p><p>Oh my gosh, I can. So remember that feeling. So did they read you the letter over the, over the phone?</p><p>Meredith (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=502.6" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:22</a>):</p><p>No. So she did send me the letter, which actually is funny because she told me when you get the letter, don't be alarmed because it's addressed to a different name, but that was your name at birth. And the name was Elaine. So it just confirms that the name that was whited out on that original document I had was Elaine. Cause we knew it started with an E.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=526.72" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:46</a>):</p><p>wow. You were hot on the trail. That's really interesting.</p><p>Meredith (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=531.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:51</a>):</p><p>Yeah. So, yeah, so I did get that letter. Um, it was handwritten, it was very emotional. Um, just explaining why they had to give me up and basically that she, she didn't know the future, you know, she hoped that her and at the time her boyfriend were, you know, would stay together, but she didn't know the future. And financially they, you know, they, they were just out of high school. They didn't live together. They didn't have a house, they didn't have real jobs. So, um, it was, it was basically based on, you know, just not feeling like they could provide a better life for me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=574.22" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:34</a>):</p><p>How did you identify with the name Elaine, when you finally read it?</p><p>Meredith (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=579.2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:39</a>):</p><p>Um, I mean, it's a little strange for me. I, I wrote a found out that it's actually my birth mother's middle name. So it's, it's very meaningful to me. I mean, she knew she was giving me up and so I don't know. I feel, I feel like it's, it's special and it means something to me, but obviously it's</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=599.06" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:59</a>):</p><p>Yeah. You grew up as Meredith.</p><p>Meredith (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=602.12" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:02</a>):</p><p>Yeah.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=603.2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:03</a>):</p><p>Going to see, yeah. To see another name and have it actually be your former identity. It's very, it's, it's weird.</p><p>Meredith (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=613.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:13</a>):</p><p>Yeah, it is.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=615.56" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:15</a>):</p><p>So Meredith waited impatiently for the social worker to get back in contact with her while they attempted to locate her birth mother.</p><p>Meredith (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=622.76" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:22</a>):</p><p>My mother in law actually kept pushing too. And you know, kept calling the social worker like, come on. Like we really need some answers. Cause at this point I was like, I've waited 30 years. I feel like I'm so close that like, I just need answers now. Yeah.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=638.3" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:38</a>):</p><p>They learned that the notes in her adoption file showed that her parents called the adoption agencies several times after Meredith's birth to see how their baby was doing within a few months, just before Christmas, that year, the social worker called back with news.</p><p>Meredith (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=654.56" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:54</a>):</p><p>Okay. So I get a phone call from the social worker saying I made contact because lo and behold, no one up North changes their phone number. They happen to have the same phone number. And um, she said, Oh, I need to tell you your birth mom married your birth dad. And they're still married today.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=678.38" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:18</a>):</p><p>Wow. What did you think when you heard that?</p><p>Meredith (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=682.58" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:22</a>):</p><p>I never in a million years thought that that would be the outcome. So then immediately I'm like, Oh my God, do they have kids.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TEnupnvC1ae7EsW7lFBEtwAGtoCg40swyNOPeaXYDJebeTHk4c1XMVnJCSDgxAWDc6oqFAluoK9aXFNnHtNRtpYi368?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=691.67"...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/053-seeing-the-life-that-could-have-been]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1955</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 06 Jul 2024 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/316ff0a4-d5d2-4df0-86e0-c9a2c82f48e7/053-seeing-the-life-that-could-have-been-final-.mp3" length="35264297" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>36:44</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>53</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>53</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Meredith had enough adoptees around her growing up that adoption was no big deal. Yet, her parents never felt comfortable actually discussing adoption. After getting pregnant, and spurred on by her mother-in-law’s intuition that Meredith wanted answers, she started searching. When her social worker found her biological parents, they were married with children. Her reunion…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>079 – There Are Wins And Losses</title><itunes:title>079 – There Are Wins And Losses</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Paul grew up&nbsp;in a&nbsp;family where he didn’t look like his&nbsp;parents, his father was Mexican and his mother was Japanese. In his childhood, his mother turned incredibly harsh and abusive, especially toward his sister.&nbsp;Searching for his birth mother, Paul made a misstep&nbsp;when he&nbsp;didn’t follow the&nbsp;advice of his search angel, and it cost him a valued relationship.&nbsp;Luckily&nbsp;he was able to connect with his half-siblings on both sides, but one relationship ended&nbsp;abruptly when a spouse fired his gun at Paul!&nbsp;All told, Paul found links to his personal&nbsp;history, and that’s given him the identity he was seeking.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Paul:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kqWCiH8F_kXkW4s9mBXI5hm8DBVAPf9g--ONxOi6fzgZ7iRkNcuXhMJwc_wdMUkJ34K6Pkwv8-lJO4yVcvkPoAaWhpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.03" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;But the one thing that would happen, my aunt told me and one of my older cousins had told me, when I was little, the only person that could get me to stop crying was my dad’s sister. As soon as I was in her arms I would shut up. I would stop and the reason, and here’s, here’s the reason why, this is why I’ve always known that voice. My, my birth mom’s voice is exactly identical to, at least to my ears, as my dad’s sister.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kqWCiH8F_kXkW4s9mBXI5hm8DBVAPf9g--ONxOi6fzgZ7iRkNcuXhMJwc_wdMUkJ34K6Pkwv8-lJO4yVcvkPoAaWhpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.79" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kqWCiH8F_kXkW4s9mBXI5hm8DBVAPf9g--ONxOi6fzgZ7iRkNcuXhMJwc_wdMUkJ34K6Pkwv8-lJO4yVcvkPoAaWhpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.17" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Paul. He called me from Tucson, Arizona. Paul grew up in a family where he didn’t look like his parents and eventually his mother turned incredibly harsh and abusive. Searching for his birth mother, he made a misstep when he didn’t follow the advice of his search angel and it cost him a valued relationship. Luckily, he was able to connect with his half siblings on both sides. But one relationship ended abruptly when a spouse fired his gun at Paul. All told Paul found links to his personal history and that’s given him the identity he was seeking. This is Paul’s journey. Paul figures, he was with Catholic social services for about three to four months before he was adopted. His father was Mexican and his mother was Japanese. He met her in Japan during the Korean War and they got married in the United States.</p><p>Paul:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kqWCiH8F_kXkW4s9mBXI5hm8DBVAPf9g--ONxOi6fzgZ7iRkNcuXhMJwc_wdMUkJ34K6Pkwv8-lJO4yVcvkPoAaWhpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=110.61" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So right there, when I was old enough to look in the mirror and everything, I was like, well, you know, one of these things is not like the other. I don’t Look anything like either person and I, you know, I was little so I didn’t know</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kqWCiH8F_kXkW4s9mBXI5hm8DBVAPf9g--ONxOi6fzgZ7iRkNcuXhMJwc_wdMUkJ34K6Pkwv8-lJO4yVcvkPoAaWhpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=124.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;but either. The two of them don’t look alike. So how do you not look alike?</p><p>Paul:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kqWCiH8F_kXkW4s9mBXI5hm8DBVAPf9g--ONxOi6fzgZ7iRkNcuXhMJwc_wdMUkJ34K6Pkwv8-lJO4yVcvkPoAaWhpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=131.7" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:11</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well you know, my mom was, you know, she’s Japanese and she was small and she really had extreme Japanese features. So I’m like, I’d look in the mirror and I’m like, well, I don’t have those features. And then, um, my dad, I, you know, I like can’t say I really didn’t, you know, I really couldn’t make the total comparison, but I’m like, something’s not right here. And then as I got older, not much older, but the differences kept getting more pronounced. And I remember one of my earliest memory, Geez, I probably was four, maybe five, I was out in the backyard crying I wanted to go home. And you know, um, my dad comes home from work and sees me out in the backyard and asking me, asked me what’s going on, I’m in the backyard bawling my eyes that I want to go home. And then that’s when I got, this is your home. You know, I was like, no, this can’t be my home. I don’t look like you.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kqWCiH8F_kXkW4s9mBXI5hm8DBVAPf9g--ONxOi6fzgZ7iRkNcuXhMJwc_wdMUkJ34K6Pkwv8-lJO4yVcvkPoAaWhpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=188.57" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:08</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Paul told me that he had recently read the book, The Primal Wound, where he learned that his experience as a child of wanting to go home is not uncommon for adoptees. He had one sibling, a younger sister who was adopted about a year and a half after himself. He said the older he got, the more he picked up on his differences with his parents. He noticed something about his adopted mother. She was always overly excitable about everything. He was young, so he didn’t recognize what was going on, but things were changing.</p><p>Paul:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kqWCiH8F_kXkW4s9mBXI5hm8DBVAPf9g--ONxOi6fzgZ7iRkNcuXhMJwc_wdMUkJ34K6Pkwv8-lJO4yVcvkPoAaWhpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=220.59" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:40</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Somewhere around when I was nine or 10, something clicked in her or something and she just became the most abusive, horrible person you could ever want to meet and more so toward my sister then to me, and then as I get older and learn about Japanese culture, they, they favor the son and so that’s why I kind of figured that a lot of her stuff wasn’t, I avoided a lot of it, but the thing is I had to sit there and witness what was going on with my sister and the thing was with my mom, this is what made the whole younger years really difficult, is the abuse she had rake on her, but also with me, it started to become a point where I was, I could never do anything good enough. And then she always had a focal point of another family that was like best friends with my dad.</p><p>Paul:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kqWCiH8F_kXkW4s9mBXI5hm8DBVAPf9g--ONxOi6fzgZ7iRkNcuXhMJwc_wdMUkJ34K6Pkwv8-lJO4yVcvkPoAaWhpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=271.87" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And actually the couple were my godparents when I got adopted. They had a son, a natural born son, but my mom all of a sudden started making this kid their son, like the example point. So why can’t I do what he does? Why can’t I do what he does? So as time goes on and she just gets worse and worse, that just happened more and more. And then the other thing that was really weird and then as I got older, I found out, cause I was too young to remember it. Supposedly I was a very sickly, sickly, sickly child practically on my deathbed but the problem was is I never felt sick, never thought I was sick. Um, apparently she was doing the Munchausen’s by proxy thing with other folks so she could garner attention or more attention.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul grew up&nbsp;in a&nbsp;family where he didn’t look like his&nbsp;parents, his father was Mexican and his mother was Japanese. In his childhood, his mother turned incredibly harsh and abusive, especially toward his sister.&nbsp;Searching for his birth mother, Paul made a misstep&nbsp;when he&nbsp;didn’t follow the&nbsp;advice of his search angel, and it cost him a valued relationship.&nbsp;Luckily&nbsp;he was able to connect with his half-siblings on both sides, but one relationship ended&nbsp;abruptly when a spouse fired his gun at Paul!&nbsp;All told, Paul found links to his personal&nbsp;history, and that’s given him the identity he was seeking.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Paul:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kqWCiH8F_kXkW4s9mBXI5hm8DBVAPf9g--ONxOi6fzgZ7iRkNcuXhMJwc_wdMUkJ34K6Pkwv8-lJO4yVcvkPoAaWhpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.03" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;But the one thing that would happen, my aunt told me and one of my older cousins had told me, when I was little, the only person that could get me to stop crying was my dad’s sister. As soon as I was in her arms I would shut up. I would stop and the reason, and here’s, here’s the reason why, this is why I’ve always known that voice. My, my birth mom’s voice is exactly identical to, at least to my ears, as my dad’s sister.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kqWCiH8F_kXkW4s9mBXI5hm8DBVAPf9g--ONxOi6fzgZ7iRkNcuXhMJwc_wdMUkJ34K6Pkwv8-lJO4yVcvkPoAaWhpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.79" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kqWCiH8F_kXkW4s9mBXI5hm8DBVAPf9g--ONxOi6fzgZ7iRkNcuXhMJwc_wdMUkJ34K6Pkwv8-lJO4yVcvkPoAaWhpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.17" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Paul. He called me from Tucson, Arizona. Paul grew up in a family where he didn’t look like his parents and eventually his mother turned incredibly harsh and abusive. Searching for his birth mother, he made a misstep when he didn’t follow the advice of his search angel and it cost him a valued relationship. Luckily, he was able to connect with his half siblings on both sides. But one relationship ended abruptly when a spouse fired his gun at Paul. All told Paul found links to his personal history and that’s given him the identity he was seeking. This is Paul’s journey. Paul figures, he was with Catholic social services for about three to four months before he was adopted. His father was Mexican and his mother was Japanese. He met her in Japan during the Korean War and they got married in the United States.</p><p>Paul:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kqWCiH8F_kXkW4s9mBXI5hm8DBVAPf9g--ONxOi6fzgZ7iRkNcuXhMJwc_wdMUkJ34K6Pkwv8-lJO4yVcvkPoAaWhpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=110.61" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So right there, when I was old enough to look in the mirror and everything, I was like, well, you know, one of these things is not like the other. I don’t Look anything like either person and I, you know, I was little so I didn’t know</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kqWCiH8F_kXkW4s9mBXI5hm8DBVAPf9g--ONxOi6fzgZ7iRkNcuXhMJwc_wdMUkJ34K6Pkwv8-lJO4yVcvkPoAaWhpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=124.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;but either. The two of them don’t look alike. So how do you not look alike?</p><p>Paul:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kqWCiH8F_kXkW4s9mBXI5hm8DBVAPf9g--ONxOi6fzgZ7iRkNcuXhMJwc_wdMUkJ34K6Pkwv8-lJO4yVcvkPoAaWhpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=131.7" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:11</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well you know, my mom was, you know, she’s Japanese and she was small and she really had extreme Japanese features. So I’m like, I’d look in the mirror and I’m like, well, I don’t have those features. And then, um, my dad, I, you know, I like can’t say I really didn’t, you know, I really couldn’t make the total comparison, but I’m like, something’s not right here. And then as I got older, not much older, but the differences kept getting more pronounced. And I remember one of my earliest memory, Geez, I probably was four, maybe five, I was out in the backyard crying I wanted to go home. And you know, um, my dad comes home from work and sees me out in the backyard and asking me, asked me what’s going on, I’m in the backyard bawling my eyes that I want to go home. And then that’s when I got, this is your home. You know, I was like, no, this can’t be my home. I don’t look like you.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kqWCiH8F_kXkW4s9mBXI5hm8DBVAPf9g--ONxOi6fzgZ7iRkNcuXhMJwc_wdMUkJ34K6Pkwv8-lJO4yVcvkPoAaWhpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=188.57" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:08</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Paul told me that he had recently read the book, The Primal Wound, where he learned that his experience as a child of wanting to go home is not uncommon for adoptees. He had one sibling, a younger sister who was adopted about a year and a half after himself. He said the older he got, the more he picked up on his differences with his parents. He noticed something about his adopted mother. She was always overly excitable about everything. He was young, so he didn’t recognize what was going on, but things were changing.</p><p>Paul:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kqWCiH8F_kXkW4s9mBXI5hm8DBVAPf9g--ONxOi6fzgZ7iRkNcuXhMJwc_wdMUkJ34K6Pkwv8-lJO4yVcvkPoAaWhpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=220.59" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:40</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Somewhere around when I was nine or 10, something clicked in her or something and she just became the most abusive, horrible person you could ever want to meet and more so toward my sister then to me, and then as I get older and learn about Japanese culture, they, they favor the son and so that’s why I kind of figured that a lot of her stuff wasn’t, I avoided a lot of it, but the thing is I had to sit there and witness what was going on with my sister and the thing was with my mom, this is what made the whole younger years really difficult, is the abuse she had rake on her, but also with me, it started to become a point where I was, I could never do anything good enough. And then she always had a focal point of another family that was like best friends with my dad.</p><p>Paul:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kqWCiH8F_kXkW4s9mBXI5hm8DBVAPf9g--ONxOi6fzgZ7iRkNcuXhMJwc_wdMUkJ34K6Pkwv8-lJO4yVcvkPoAaWhpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=271.87" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And actually the couple were my godparents when I got adopted. They had a son, a natural born son, but my mom all of a sudden started making this kid their son, like the example point. So why can’t I do what he does? Why can’t I do what he does? So as time goes on and she just gets worse and worse, that just happened more and more. And then the other thing that was really weird and then as I got older, I found out, cause I was too young to remember it. Supposedly I was a very sickly, sickly, sickly child practically on my deathbed but the problem was is I never felt sick, never thought I was sick. Um, apparently she was doing the Munchausen’s by proxy thing with other folks so she could garner attention or more attention.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kqWCiH8F_kXkW4s9mBXI5hm8DBVAPf9g--ONxOi6fzgZ7iRkNcuXhMJwc_wdMUkJ34K6Pkwv8-lJO4yVcvkPoAaWhpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=319.42" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:19</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;How do you mean? Explain that?</p><p>Paul:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kqWCiH8F_kXkW4s9mBXI5hm8DBVAPf9g--ONxOi6fzgZ7iRkNcuXhMJwc_wdMUkJ34K6Pkwv8-lJO4yVcvkPoAaWhpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=322.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:22</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;what I’m saying is, she wouldn’t purposely get us sick or anything, but she would say that we were sick or come up with whatever maladies and then she would get garner extra attention from the folks at church thing, you know, how’s your child? Stuff like that. But then she would tell us that we were sick. I actually grew up believing I had all these maladies, which I did not have because I was perfectly healthy, to me anyway, I was a perfectly healthy kid that wanted to do everything perfectly healthy kids wanted to do. I wanted to play baseball. She told me, you’re too sick for that. I have this, that and other problems. And that actually went on so far as when I got to junior high, I wanted to play football and my mom would actually show me, we’d go shopping or something like that, and she, she would point out kids in the wheelchairs and she would tell me, I’m of the age where there was still a lot of kids running around who suffered from polio and they were just there in you know, in like leg braces or whatever.</p><p>Paul:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kqWCiH8F_kXkW4s9mBXI5hm8DBVAPf9g--ONxOi6fzgZ7iRkNcuXhMJwc_wdMUkJ34K6Pkwv8-lJO4yVcvkPoAaWhpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=375.55" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:15</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So, she would point out this kid, this kid played football, that’s why he’s like that. And then it’s just high weirdness came from her all the time.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kqWCiH8F_kXkW4s9mBXI5hm8DBVAPf9g--ONxOi6fzgZ7iRkNcuXhMJwc_wdMUkJ34K6Pkwv8-lJO4yVcvkPoAaWhpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=387.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:27</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Paul said his mother actually had plans for him to become a high achieving musician, but he had no interest in the violin. He was always a big tall kid and he was into tackle football, but he had to sneak and play with his friends behind the school because if his mother saw the game, she would come out of the house into the school yard to put an end to it. If the family was out somewhere together and the kids got out of sight in a store, he said his mother was start screaming and wailing for them, causing everyone in the store to stop what they were doing, to see what the commotion was about. When I asked Paul about his mother’s abuse toward his sister, he said that it was a combination of mental and physical abuse.</p><p>Paul:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kqWCiH8F_kXkW4s9mBXI5hm8DBVAPf9g--ONxOi6fzgZ7iRkNcuXhMJwc_wdMUkJ34K6Pkwv8-lJO4yVcvkPoAaWhpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=428.37" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:08</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She would just tell her the most horrible things about not being good enough or she would just, if she didn’t do the slightest chore, absolutely Picture Perfect, she would get, she would get the beat down. And um, yeah, it was crazy. Or, the other one that I remember a lot is like at bathtime we’d take a bath, take a shower, well shampoos leave a smell on your hair. Right? There is just no way you can avoid it. My sister would come out and I wouldn’t get it, but my sister would get the sniff check and if she could still smell shampoo in her hair, she’d go off on her. And it finally got to the point where I, I think I was probably 11 and I was big enough by 11. I was actually way taller than my mom and I was, I probably had almost an inch on my dad.</p><p>Paul:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kqWCiH8F_kXkW4s9mBXI5hm8DBVAPf9g--ONxOi6fzgZ7iRkNcuXhMJwc_wdMUkJ34K6Pkwv8-lJO4yVcvkPoAaWhpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=479.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:59</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;They were short in stature. That’s the other thing that was really weird. I’m like 6’2. I’m not super tall, but I’m taller than big and by 11 I almost had an inch on my dad. And um, one day I was at the house and this is going on in the back of the house, I just went over there and I jumped on her and got her off my sister and I just said, you know, you touch us like that one more time and I’ll kill you in your sleep. Yeah. It’s just, that, that’s, that’s how crazy it got. So then she would just pick and choose her times, like if I was at school, I wasn’t in the house that craziness would go on with my sister. She, it got to the point where she would time her rotten activities and the thing has, you know, back then we didn’t know what to do.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kqWCiH8F_kXkW4s9mBXI5hm8DBVAPf9g--ONxOi6fzgZ7iRkNcuXhMJwc_wdMUkJ34K6Pkwv8-lJO4yVcvkPoAaWhpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=521.02" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:41</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah.</p><p>Paul:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kqWCiH8F_kXkW4s9mBXI5hm8DBVAPf9g--ONxOi6fzgZ7iRkNcuXhMJwc_wdMUkJ34K6Pkwv8-lJO4yVcvkPoAaWhpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=521.78" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:41</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;There wasn’t a lot of info. There wasn’t any support. You didn’t know what to do. You almost thought this was normal activity or normal behavior, especially if you grew up with it from the get go, thing is she never dared told my dad, but my dad had to know about all this and that’s the other thing. It got to the point where I was like asking myself, why doesn’t he just get rid of her? And what I had started noticing, he started getting involved with a lot of after work activities. He was almost never home from the time he went to work, he would come home, change clothes and then leave again. So he was like, just, how should I say, just removing himself from the whole situation. Because even when he was home, my mom would go off on him for hours and hours on end too.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kqWCiH8F_kXkW4s9mBXI5hm8DBVAPf9g--ONxOi6fzgZ7iRkNcuXhMJwc_wdMUkJ34K6Pkwv8-lJO4yVcvkPoAaWhpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=560.36" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:20</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. That’s uh, he was, it was avoidance. He’s like, I don’t need this crap. Yeah,</p><p>Paul:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kqWCiH8F_kXkW4s9mBXI5hm8DBVAPf9g--ONxOi6fzgZ7iRkNcuXhMJwc_wdMUkJ34K6Pkwv8-lJO4yVcvkPoAaWhpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=565.41" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:25</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;exactly. It was avoidance. And the thing is, what also tripped me out about it is my mom and my dad were devout Catholics. They were just heavily involved with the church and that was another thing that always just tripped me out. We go to church and then I just one time and I just remember completely, I think this again and we were probably about eight or nine. We’re in church and my mom’s being all pious and we get in the car and I think my sister and I were sitting in the pew next to some other friends from school and I think my sister giggled for something that her friend had said and my mom heard the giggle. So we were in the car. We wouldn’t think anything of it. But we were in the car and soon as we get in the car and the parking lot kind of clears out a little bit my mom starts wailing on my sister in the back seat for the giggle. So I’m like how can you be so pious and all the premises and the teachings are true, when I’m watching you go from that to this, like]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/079-there-are-wins-and-losses]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2325</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 29 Jun 2024 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/2344f432-461a-436b-92b2-2281b9c2974f/079-there-are-wins-and-losses-final-draft.mp3" length="41089065" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>42:48</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>4</itunes:season><itunes:episode>79</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>79</podcast:episode><podcast:season>4</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Paul grew up in a family where he didn’t look like his parents, his father was Mexican and his mother was Japanese. In his childhood, his mother turned incredibly harsh and abusive, especially toward his sister. Searching for his birth mother, Paul made a misstep when he didn’t follow the advice of his search angel, and it cost him a valued relationship. Luckily he…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>238 - Life is Magic!</title><itunes:title>238 - Life is Magic!</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>John Dorenbos, the Magic Man,  contacted me from his home in Los Angeles. John grew up in a wonderful family until he was 12 years old, when he came home from playing and learned that his mother was taken from him. John made it through his family's tragic turn thanks to kinship adoption, lots of counseling, and two outlets he is eternally grateful for --football and magic! John had a long career in the NFL with the Philadelphia Eagles, but an injury that forced him off the field ultimately saved his life. What you're about to hear is the magic of a man who lives the power of positivity. This is John Dorenbos's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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John grew up in a wonderful family until he was 12 years old, when he came home from playing and learned that his mother was taken from him. John made it through his family's tragic turn thanks to kinship adoption, lots of counseling, and two outlets he is eternally grateful for --football and magic! John had a long career in the NFL with the Philadelphia Eagles, but an injury that forced him off the field ultimately saved his life. What you're about to hear is the magic of a man who lives the power of positivity. This is John Dorenbos's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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As a young girl, Lynn should have been a carefree time in Lynn's life, but her home was a chaotic place. She said characterizing her home life as having a few challenges will be like saying Noah's Ark experienced a little rain. Instead of being a carefree kid. Lynn told me that she felt a responsibility for her younger siblings who experienced the same chaos she lived through at home. She was searching for a place where she would matter to someone at a young, vulnerable time in her life.</p><p>Pregnant with nowhere to turn, she placed her daughter for adoption, the hardest thing she's ever been forced to do. </p><p>In reunion, Lynn was stunned to receive her daughter's call out of the blue. She was thankful at how quickly they were able to see each other but is disappointed that the relationship has not gotten deeper.</p><p>Lynn is a first mother, and this is her journey.</p><p><strong>SURVEY</strong>: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61555968231690" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Preliminary Exploration Into Adoption &amp; Reunion</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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As a young girl, Lynn should have been a carefree time in Lynn's life, but her home was a chaotic place. She said characterizing her home life as having a few challenges will be like saying Noah's Ark experienced a little rain. Instead of being a carefree kid. Lynn told me that she felt a responsibility for her younger siblings who experienced the same chaos she lived through at home. She was searching for a place where she would matter to someone at a young, vulnerable time in her life.</p><p>Pregnant with nowhere to turn, she placed her daughter for adoption, the hardest thing she's ever been forced to do. </p><p>In reunion, Lynn was stunned to receive her daughter's call out of the blue. She was thankful at how quickly they were able to see each other but is disappointed that the relationship has not gotten deeper.</p><p>Lynn is a first mother, and this is her journey.</p><p><strong>SURVEY</strong>: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61555968231690" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Preliminary Exploration Into Adoption &amp; Reunion</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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While Ken was loved and treated equally, when his son was born, he felt the urge to learn more about his birth mother. When he found the woman living nearby, she answered Ken's phone call with inspiring words, expressing her expectation of that moment finally happening for her one day. Ken said there was a moment with his birth mother when it felt like time was standing still.</p><p>With her, he finally feels like he can be himself without people-pleasing behavior. This is Ken's journey.</p><p><a href="https://a.co/d/gSNI8XG" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">I Will See You Again</a>, by K. R. DeStefano</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken grew up in a mixed home with both biological and adopted siblings. While Ken was loved and treated equally, when his son was born, he felt the urge to learn more about his birth mother. When he found the woman living nearby, she answered Ken's phone call with inspiring words, expressing her expectation of that moment finally happening for her one day. Ken said there was a moment with his birth mother when it felt like time was standing still.</p><p>With her, he finally feels like he can be himself without people-pleasing behavior. This is Ken's journey.</p><p><a href="https://a.co/d/gSNI8XG" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">I Will See You Again</a>, by K. R. DeStefano</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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When Regina was a child, she learned she was adopted and how other kids cruelly viewed adoptees. She never told anyone about being an adopted person until the big reveal in adulthood.&nbsp;</p><p>After seeking counseling to overcome the monster of adoption,&nbsp;Regina finally sought reunion. She found her birth mother and father in the same day, and eventually heard from her siblings that she was fortunate for the opportunities that adoption provided her. </p><p>This is Regina is journey.</p><p>Book- <a href="https://a.co/d/1BiqXHb" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Adoption: The Unknown Blessing</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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When Regina was a child, she learned she was adopted and how other kids cruelly viewed adoptees. She never told anyone about being an adopted person until the big reveal in adulthood.&nbsp;</p><p>After seeking counseling to overcome the monster of adoption,&nbsp;Regina finally sought reunion. She found her birth mother and father in the same day, and eventually heard from her siblings that she was fortunate for the opportunities that adoption provided her. </p><p>This is Regina is journey.</p><p>Book- <a href="https://a.co/d/1BiqXHb" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Adoption: The Unknown Blessing</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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However, as she got older, Lena began to feel how different she was. While working toward her degree in social work, Lena's studies unexpectedly led her down the path to reunion. While her birth father has been nothing but supportive, Lena said she can't force a maternal reunion with someone who has not healed yet herself.</p><p>This is Lena's journey. ​ </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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However, as she got older, Lena began to feel how different she was. While working toward her degree in social work, Lena's studies unexpectedly led her down the path to reunion. While her birth father has been nothing but supportive, Lena said she can't force a maternal reunion with someone who has not healed yet herself.</p><p>This is Lena's journey. ​ </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/234-]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">e2f3e49c-e6b4-42a3-ae26-cbb46399186e</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2024 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/e6c0e7e9-b6e8-49e5-abb1-a1691b7a95a8/233-Coming-to-a-Place-of-Peace-FINAL.mp3" length="67218021" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>46:41</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>14</itunes:season><itunes:episode>233</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>233</podcast:episode><podcast:season>14</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/5d0137a1-773e-4975-8285-dbbe23660c9d/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>232 Birth Mother&apos;s Day 2024</title><itunes:title>232 Birth Mother&apos;s Day 2024</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>One of the important things to do when sharing adoptee stories is try to empathize with our birth mothers.  This is a special presentation of the "<a href="https://www.WhoAmIReallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really?</a>" podcast for "Birth Mother's Day". Working with Ed DiGangi (<a href="https://whoamireallypodcast.com/130-the-gift-best-given/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ep. 130</a>) we highlight the stories of three birth mothers, Yvonne, Sarah, and Laura who share their personal stories of being stigmatized, coerced, and misinformed about their child's adoption. They share their struggles carrying the memory of the children they placed, the process of mental and physical recovery from giving birth, and the secrecy some held for years about what they had endured as young women. </p><p>Birth Mother's Day is observed on the Saturday before Mother's Day in order to honor birth mothers' experiences. </p><p>D. Yvonne Rivers - Host of <a href="https://birthmomsrealtalk.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Birth Moms Real Talk</a> podcast</p><p>Laura Engel - Author of  <a href="https://lauralengel.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">You'll Forget This Ever Happened</a></p><p><a href="https://sarahmauryswan.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sarah Maury Swan</a> - Writer and multiple book author</p><p>Ed DiGangi, Adoptee - Author of <a href="https://www.digangiauthor.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Gift Best Given</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the important things to do when sharing adoptee stories is try to empathize with our birth mothers.  This is a special presentation of the "<a href="https://www.WhoAmIReallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really?</a>" podcast for "Birth Mother's Day". Working with Ed DiGangi (<a href="https://whoamireallypodcast.com/130-the-gift-best-given/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ep. 130</a>) we highlight the stories of three birth mothers, Yvonne, Sarah, and Laura who share their personal stories of being stigmatized, coerced, and misinformed about their child's adoption. They share their struggles carrying the memory of the children they placed, the process of mental and physical recovery from giving birth, and the secrecy some held for years about what they had endured as young women. </p><p>Birth Mother's Day is observed on the Saturday before Mother's Day in order to honor birth mothers' experiences. </p><p>D. Yvonne Rivers - Host of <a href="https://birthmomsrealtalk.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Birth Moms Real Talk</a> podcast</p><p>Laura Engel - Author of  <a href="https://lauralengel.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">You'll Forget This Ever Happened</a></p><p><a href="https://sarahmauryswan.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Sarah Maury Swan</a> - Writer and multiple book author</p><p>Ed DiGangi, Adoptee - Author of <a href="https://www.digangiauthor.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Gift Best Given</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/birth-mothers-day-2024]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">cd050369-14a1-4bc9-a3cb-ac2fc3561c39</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 11 May 2024 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/f9014ac4-c80f-4d23-954a-e0adb832161f/232-Yvonne-Laura-Sara-Three-Birth-Mothers-Stories-FINAL.mp3" length="112314938" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:18:00</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>14</itunes:season><itunes:episode>232</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>232</podcast:episode><podcast:season>14</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/6ec17dbe-8dfc-4c06-a529-b352186b96f6/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>231 - Dr. Bruce D. Perry, &quot;What Happened To You?&quot;</title><itunes:title>231 - Dr. Bruce D. Perry, &quot;What Happened To You?&quot;</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>When a child is in need of support to help navigate the traumatic experiences in their lives. Renowned psychiatrist, neuroscientist, and leading authority on childhood trauma Dr. Bruce D. Perry is the man to call. </p><p>Dr. Perry has researched childhood trauma and its impact on brain development and behavior throughout his decades, long distinguished career. Perry's dedication to understanding and addressing the effects of trauma on individuals, families, and communities has played a pivotal role In advancing our understanding of trauma informed care and resilience, building strategies. </p><p>Dr. Perry is the co-author of the New York Times #1 best seller. "What Happened To You?: Conversations on Trauma, Resilience, and Healing," co-authored with none other than Oprah Winfrey. You're about to hear Dr. Perry delve into the transformative power of understanding trauma, our ability to reprogram our brains, and a wonderful explanation of a theory a lot of adoptees have relied on for healing. </p><p>It is my pleasure to present to you my conversation with <a href="https://www.bdperry.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Dr. Bruce D. Perry</a>.</p><p><a href="https://www.neurosequential.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Neurosequential.com</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Renowned psychiatrist, neuroscientist, and leading authority on childhood trauma Dr. Bruce D. Perry is the man to call. </p><p>Dr. Perry has researched childhood trauma and its impact on brain development and behavior throughout his decades, long distinguished career. Perry's dedication to understanding and addressing the effects of trauma on individuals, families, and communities has played a pivotal role In advancing our understanding of trauma informed care and resilience, building strategies. </p><p>Dr. Perry is the co-author of the New York Times #1 best seller. "What Happened To You?: Conversations on Trauma, Resilience, and Healing," co-authored with none other than Oprah Winfrey. You're about to hear Dr. Perry delve into the transformative power of understanding trauma, our ability to reprogram our brains, and a wonderful explanation of a theory a lot of adoptees have relied on for healing. </p><p>It is my pleasure to present to you my conversation with <a href="https://www.bdperry.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Dr. Bruce D. Perry</a>.</p><p><a href="https://www.neurosequential.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Neurosequential.com</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Doris then had to endure herself centeredness -- a residual trauma of her failed pregnancies -- and her narcissism, which prevented her from being the mother Doris needed. I</p><p>n reunion, Doris was welcomed by some of her extended family, but chose to try to meet her birth mother face to face,  to hopefully avoid being rejected. </p><p>You will be stunned by the outcome of Doris's trip to her birth mother's home and empowered by how she focuses on the positivity of her experience. This is Doris his journey. </p><p><a href="https://www.reckoningwiththeprimalwound.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ReckoningWithThePrimalWound</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Doris then had to endure herself centeredness -- a residual trauma of her failed pregnancies -- and her narcissism, which prevented her from being the mother Doris needed. I</p><p>n reunion, Doris was welcomed by some of her extended family, but chose to try to meet her birth mother face to face,  to hopefully avoid being rejected. </p><p>You will be stunned by the outcome of Doris's trip to her birth mother's home and empowered by how she focuses on the positivity of her experience. This is Doris his journey. </p><p><a href="https://www.reckoningwiththeprimalwound.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">ReckoningWithThePrimalWound</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/230-]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">8c845f27-8fe6-4096-b20b-f86547583235</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 27 Apr 2024 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/episodes.captivate.fm/episode/8c845f27-8fe6-4096-b20b-f86547583235.mp3" length="67760754" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:10:35</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>14</itunes:season><itunes:episode>230</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>230</podcast:episode><podcast:season>14</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/25aa939b-7ac9-4946-9769-2e27ce502309/index.html" type="text/html"/><podcast:chapters url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/chapter-2af9d50b-ca55-4f52-857a-785343cbb7da.json" type="application/json+chapters"/></item><item><title>229 - So Many Blessings in the Darkness</title><itunes:title>229 - So Many Blessings in the Darkness</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Monica, from outside of Sacramento, California, shares her double story as an adoptee and a birth mother. </p><p>When Monica was a kid getting dumped by her adoptive mother sent her down a path of bad-girl attention seeking that, put her in dangerous situations.  </p><p>In reunion she discovered her heritage is tied to native people of North America and that her instinct to search was well-timed because her passionate drive was matched by someone else very important to Monica who was looking for her too. </p><p>As an adoptee, Monica holds a unique perspective that helped her prepare for one of the most pivotal moments in her life. </p><p>Trigger warning: Around 20 minutes into the episode Monica discusses a violent act inflicted against her. </p><p> This is Monica's journey.</p><p><a href="https://www.monicahall.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">MonicaHall.com</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Angela pursued reunion, expecting she would search for and find her birth mother and they would look just the like,</p><p>Instead, Angela first found a man who was loved by his community and when she appeared there in his town where she was born, everyone knew exactly who she was because of her close. paternal resemblance.</p><p>Angela's maternal reunion started with a jarring introduction that initiated with what she thought would be a reunion rejection, but eventually evolved into a maternal connection. Angela is the author of "You Should Be Grateful: Stories of race, Identity, and Transracial Adoption".</p><p><a href="https://www.AngelaTucker.com" target="_blank">AngelaTucker.com</a></p><p>This is Angela's journey.<u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Angela pursued reunion, expecting she would search for and find her birth mother and they would look just the like,</p><p>Instead, Angela first found a man who was loved by his community and when she appeared there in his town where she was born, everyone knew exactly who she was because of her close. paternal resemblance.</p><p>Angela's maternal reunion started with a jarring introduction that initiated with what she thought would be a reunion rejection, but eventually evolved into a maternal connection. Angela is the author of "You Should Be Grateful: Stories of race, Identity, and Transracial Adoption".</p><p><a href="https://www.AngelaTucker.com" target="_blank">AngelaTucker.com</a></p><p>This is Angela's journey.<u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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The amalgamation of resources all provided supporting clues to her maternal and paternal sides.</p><p>In reunion, Jane found a man who didn't even know she existed, but wanted to get as much information about what transpired behind his back when he was a teenager as possible.</p><p>Listen at the end for the touching moment where Jane took her birth father to a special place.</p><p>This is Jane's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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The amalgamation of resources all provided supporting clues to her maternal and paternal sides.</p><p>In reunion, Jane found a man who didn't even know she existed, but wanted to get as much information about what transpired behind his back when he was a teenager as possible.</p><p>Listen at the end for the touching moment where Jane took her birth father to a special place.</p><p>This is Jane's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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But Brad internalized his differences from his parents as his own inability to adapt to their personality traits and abilities. </p><p>As an adult DNA testing revealed that something far more foundational to his being was the reason for their differences. The revelation set off a series of forced confrontations, unexpected sibling introductions, and being face to face with an incarcerated man Brad had no intention of bonding with... until he did. </p><p>Make sure you to listen until the end to hear how Brad's paternal reunion played out. It is heartwarming for sure. </p><p>This is Brad's journey. </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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But Brad internalized his differences from his parents as his own inability to adapt to their personality traits and abilities. </p><p>As an adult DNA testing revealed that something far more foundational to his being was the reason for their differences. The revelation set off a series of forced confrontations, unexpected sibling introductions, and being face to face with an incarcerated man Brad had no intention of bonding with... until he did. </p><p>Make sure you to listen until the end to hear how Brad's paternal reunion played out. It is heartwarming for sure. </p><p>This is Brad's journey. </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Then we’re driving down the road and she begins calling me names and then she gets quiet and she goes, you know, Linda, you’re right. Your Dad is not your father. And it was like, wow, you know, my abuser is actually finally telling me the truth.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=27.59" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:27</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who Am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.87" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:38</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Linda. She called me from Farmington, New Mexico where she lives so far away from it all, that she had to drive into town from her house to get a good mobile signal so that she could share her story with you. Linda’s childhood was tumultuous after her mother’s death as she was raised in what she thought was her grandmother’s home. Once she learned the truth about her life from the neighbor’s kids at age 10, Linda immediately wanted to find her birth mother. She endured years of abuse in her grandmother’s home with no love. She characterizes her story not as an adoption, she thinks of herself as stolen from her biological father. This is Linda’s journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=92" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:32</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Linda admits her journey is convoluted, but you already know that many of our stories are on November 22nd 19, 63. President Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas, Texas. The next day, November 23rd. Linda’s mother was killed. Linda was about three years old. Her sister was four the girls, went to live with their maternal grandmother as the family tried to make a plan for their future.</p><p>Linda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=119.01" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:59</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The people in the family were trying to figure out what to do with us, and one day a grandma Brown into the house and sitting on her chair was a strange man that we had never seen before and so my sister and I, we looked at each other and looked at the guy and he had two great big white teddy bears and he held out his hands and said, hello. I’m your Daddy. And we’d never seen him before. Again, it was really strange and really confusing.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=155.34" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Okay,</p><p>Linda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=156.38" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;so we did go to live with him and he could not handle raising a three and a four year old, so he took us to his parents. So we grew up with our Dad’s parents and we of course called and grandma and grandpa.</p><p>Daon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=174.59" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:54</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Can I just ask quickly when you were two, I make the assumption that you were living in a two parent household when your mother was killed, is that correct?</p><p>Linda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=185.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That is not correct. Okay. Um, basically our mother, she was divorced but she was living with a man and we were living with him too and he was her boyfriend and the one who caused the accident related to her death. Um, so it was actually vehicular homicide. We just remember bits and pieces of him, but apparently he was severely abusive and uh, the story goes that she wanted to break up with him. He was pretty angry about that and that should be one of the reasons that caused the accident.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=228.86" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:48</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Do you remember any of your feelings at the time as a child who has lost her mother? Do you feel that you remember the grief or anything?</p><p>Linda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=238.9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:58</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I didn’t remember that we were told that she had died and so I remembered… What I do remember is we were being babysat by one of our aunts and I remember standing on the couch looking outside the window waiting for mom to come and pick us up and what I saw is her father or Grandpa come and start picking up our toys in the front yard, put him in his car, and when I asked him, I ran up to him and said, hey, where’s mommy? He totally ignored me. He wouldn’t talk. He wouldn’t look at us, nothing. So that was really confusing to me because again, I was only three, but apparently we were told that she had died. That I don’t remember that at all.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=292.83"...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda’s childhood was tumultuous after her mother’s death as she was raised in what she&nbsp;thought was her grandmother’s home.&nbsp;When she learned the truth about her life from the neighbor’s kids, at age 10, Linda immediately wanted to&nbsp;find&nbsp;her birther father.&nbsp;She endured years of abuse in her grandmother’s home with no love.&nbsp;She characterizes her story, not as an adoption, she thinks of herself as stolen from her biological father.</p><p>You can find Linda’s book at <a href="http://lindablackmer.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LindaBlackmer.com</a>&nbsp;or you can search&nbsp;“My Father’s Eyes: A Story of Stolen Lives”&nbsp;on Amazon</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Linda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.59" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Grandma’s drivin. Then we’re driving down the road and she begins calling me names and then she gets quiet and she goes, you know, Linda, you’re right. Your Dad is not your father. And it was like, wow, you know, my abuser is actually finally telling me the truth.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=27.59" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:27</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who Am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.87" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:38</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Linda. She called me from Farmington, New Mexico where she lives so far away from it all, that she had to drive into town from her house to get a good mobile signal so that she could share her story with you. Linda’s childhood was tumultuous after her mother’s death as she was raised in what she thought was her grandmother’s home. Once she learned the truth about her life from the neighbor’s kids at age 10, Linda immediately wanted to find her birth mother. She endured years of abuse in her grandmother’s home with no love. She characterizes her story not as an adoption, she thinks of herself as stolen from her biological father. This is Linda’s journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=92" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:32</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Linda admits her journey is convoluted, but you already know that many of our stories are on November 22nd 19, 63. President Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas, Texas. The next day, November 23rd. Linda’s mother was killed. Linda was about three years old. Her sister was four the girls, went to live with their maternal grandmother as the family tried to make a plan for their future.</p><p>Linda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=119.01" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:59</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The people in the family were trying to figure out what to do with us, and one day a grandma Brown into the house and sitting on her chair was a strange man that we had never seen before and so my sister and I, we looked at each other and looked at the guy and he had two great big white teddy bears and he held out his hands and said, hello. I’m your Daddy. And we’d never seen him before. Again, it was really strange and really confusing.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=155.34" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Okay,</p><p>Linda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=156.38" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;so we did go to live with him and he could not handle raising a three and a four year old, so he took us to his parents. So we grew up with our Dad’s parents and we of course called and grandma and grandpa.</p><p>Daon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=174.59" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:54</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Can I just ask quickly when you were two, I make the assumption that you were living in a two parent household when your mother was killed, is that correct?</p><p>Linda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=185.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That is not correct. Okay. Um, basically our mother, she was divorced but she was living with a man and we were living with him too and he was her boyfriend and the one who caused the accident related to her death. Um, so it was actually vehicular homicide. We just remember bits and pieces of him, but apparently he was severely abusive and uh, the story goes that she wanted to break up with him. He was pretty angry about that and that should be one of the reasons that caused the accident.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=228.86" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:48</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Do you remember any of your feelings at the time as a child who has lost her mother? Do you feel that you remember the grief or anything?</p><p>Linda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=238.9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:58</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I didn’t remember that we were told that she had died and so I remembered… What I do remember is we were being babysat by one of our aunts and I remember standing on the couch looking outside the window waiting for mom to come and pick us up and what I saw is her father or Grandpa come and start picking up our toys in the front yard, put him in his car, and when I asked him, I ran up to him and said, hey, where’s mommy? He totally ignored me. He wouldn’t talk. He wouldn’t look at us, nothing. So that was really confusing to me because again, I was only three, but apparently we were told that she had died. That I don’t remember that at all.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=292.83" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:52</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wow.</p><p>Linda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=294.61" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:54</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I do remember that. Everybody’s looking around and I did go to grandma wants and asked, you know, when’s mom coming back? And she just looked at me and continued folding clothes and didn’t say anything.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=310.71" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:10</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So the girls have had a lot of quick transitions. After their mothers death, they left their home with their mother and her abusive boyfriend moved to their maternal grandmother’s house. To their father’s house, vent to his mother’s house, she said the final move to their grandmother’s home was really difficult. They lived in the back of a cafe grocery store for transient farm workers. It was there in kindergarten. Linda worked really hard on a family picture of herself, her sister and their grandmother and father, and she was really proud of it. Linda looks all around the store for her grandmother to share her awesome work.</p><p>Linda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=348.89" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:48</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Grandma! Grandma, look what I made for you in the course. I’m in that five year old. Happy Anticipation, you know, of getting real good. She take the picture, looked at it, shoved it back at me, put her hands on her hips. And so you think this is good? This isn’t good. You shouldn’t brag. You’re no good and should have never been born.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=376.33" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:16</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh my gosh.</p><p>Linda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=378.2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:18</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;`So that’s like at five years old, right. And um, I didn’t know how to process that. That hurt like to my core. And that opened up grandma’s repressed desire to come after me. So when you ask what my childhood was like, it was consistent, verbal abuse and emotional abuse. Every day, unpredictable physical assault. She hated me. She just absolutely hated me. She couldn’t stand the fact that she had to raise me and the people in the family, they all saw it, but grandma was diagnosed shortly thereafter as having bipolar disorder and in my opinion, I think she was an unrecognized trauma survivor because of just her family story, but I. I hold a lot of anger towards the family members that didn’t step in to do the right thing, to try to help a child</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=450.88" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:30</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;to remove you from that situation. Regardless of whether she was diagnosed or not</p><p>Linda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=456.05" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;correct.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=457.25" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:37</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Linda lived under those abusive conditions until she was 18 years old. I asked about her father, whom she calls daddy because Linda and her sister are living with his mother. He went to California and started a tavern, which Linda and her sister think was our front for illegal drug operations, but he did show up for occasional visits. He got married for the third time when the girls were about nine and 10 and they went to live with him. They were so happy because they were escaping the abuse and they actually liked their new stepmother. They all moved into a brand new house and they took baths every single day. Something they could not do in their grandmother’s home. Unfortunately in time they learned their father wasn’t a very nice man and their stepmother,</p><p>Linda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=503.28" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:23</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;she was schizophrenia and in time her mental illness really began to manifest and she was not all that nice to my sister and I. and one day we were at home and if we got in trouble, we had to wash the dishes in the kitchen. Right. And on this incident, she took out a butcher knife and started coming at us and saying, I’m gonna kill you. I’m going to kill you, you know, blah, blah blah. And so my sister and I’d we locked ourselves in the bathroom because we were afraid of her know to us that’s threatening our lives. And when daddy came home, we told him about it. He told us we were lying, that she would never do that and it never happened. And when she went after him is when he finally kicked her out of the house, so the day that he kicked her out the house, he went over to the neighbor’s and proceeded to get drunk with the neighbors and he told them a story and their kids overheard the story.</p><p>Linda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=578.79" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:38</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So the next day we went over to play and they’re calling out my sister’s name going, we’ve got a secret and Glenda can’t hear it. And of course I want to know what the secret is. I don’t like being excluded. And then my sister actually pulled me aside and told me that my mother had an affair and I am the product of that affair. After she died, no one wanted me, so he took me so that could have a sister. And it was at that moment when I realized my grandma hated me so much is because I was not a part of their family. So that when you’re asking my childhood was like, it was exceptionally lonely. I didn’t have anybody that I could turn to anyone that I could look at and go, you’re a part of me, you know. So I basically grew up not belonging anywhere,</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DIoDIBHb3AkVEq_2esju83vaT48fmPr46XBI2dgbeVWTMCtCMnlhGJnkmETuan4XnKDfZ5EWMwzfyv9VQWZGDRiZD_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=643.54" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>10:43</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;so Linda’s mother had an affair while married to Daddy. She said that because they were married when her mother was...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/077-im-a-wounded-healer-with-my-fathers-eyes]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2295</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2024 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/164978a5-f1ed-4e44-a7e6-262865a27e4d/077-im-a-wounded-healer-with-my-fathers-eyes-final.mp3" length="32968135" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>34:20</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>3</itunes:season><itunes:episode>77</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>77</podcast:episode><podcast:season>3</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Linda’s childhood was tumultuous after her mother’s death as she was raised in what she thought was her grandmother’s home. When she learned the truth about her life from the neighbor’s kids, at age 10, Linda immediately wanted to find her birther father. She endured years of abuse in her grandmother’s home with no love. She characterizes her story, not as…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>117 – Born In June Raised In April</title><itunes:title>Born In June Raised In April</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>April called me&nbsp;from&nbsp;New York, New York, but her story originated in New England.&nbsp;She is a transracial adoptee whose search took her to&nbsp;a quintessential New England town and the connection to her birth mother’s former home which&nbsp;put April and the woman on the phone that night.&nbsp;But the pain of April’s conception was too much, so the pair never connected.&nbsp;Now April holds out hope that one day she’ll know the man with whom she shares DNA. Until then she maintains a strong foundation in her own identity. This is April’s journey.&nbsp;</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>April called me&nbsp;from&nbsp;New York, New York, but her story originated in New England.&nbsp;She is a transracial adoptee whose search took her to&nbsp;a quintessential New England town and the connection to her birth mother’s former home which&nbsp;put April and the woman on the phone that night.&nbsp;But the pain of April’s conception was too much, so the pair never connected.&nbsp;Now April holds out hope that one day she’ll know the man with whom she shares DNA. Until then she maintains a strong foundation in her own identity. This is April’s journey.&nbsp;</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/born-in-june-raised-in-april]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">5fb71c6d-6521-47cc-8364-7c6c06057c1c</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2024 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/bd011470-026f-4efe-b53b-e35e90ce27ab/117-born-in-june-raised-in-april-final.mp3" length="94995189" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:05:58</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>6</itunes:season><itunes:episode>117</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>117</podcast:episode><podcast:season>6</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/480a41da-c7cb-49bc-b145-edede66b413a/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>121 – Somebody’s Always Been Watching Over Me</title><itunes:title>121 - Somebody&apos;s Always Been Watching Over Me</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Chris lives in Northern California outside of San Francisco. He shares how he selflessly discovered his adopted brother’s birth mother just in time for them to meet. Chris said he was thankful that at least one of the two brothers had completed their search. When Chris told his parents he launched his own search it created animosity between them that they’ve worked hard to get over.&nbsp;After&nbsp;finding&nbsp;a birth mother match through DNA testing, Chris&nbsp;has connected with a loving family that has&nbsp;wondered about him for years. This is Chris’s journey.</p><p>Recorded on my son, Seth's, 12th birthday, January 16, 2020!</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris lives in Northern California outside of San Francisco. He shares how he selflessly discovered his adopted brother’s birth mother just in time for them to meet. Chris said he was thankful that at least one of the two brothers had completed their search. When Chris told his parents he launched his own search it created animosity between them that they’ve worked hard to get over.&nbsp;After&nbsp;finding&nbsp;a birth mother match through DNA testing, Chris&nbsp;has connected with a loving family that has&nbsp;wondered about him for years. This is Chris’s journey.</p><p>Recorded on my son, Seth's, 12th birthday, January 16, 2020!</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/121-somebodys-always-been-watching-over-me]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">da731a37-70c1-495e-96d3-b06feb75f791</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 02 Mar 2024 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/b9735352-61d5-4e2c-8f54-a23a48c137ab/121-somebodys-always-been-watching-over-me-final.mp3" length="61510952" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>42:43</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>6</itunes:season><itunes:episode>121</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>121</podcast:episode><podcast:season>6</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/91672efb-c859-4b65-8d23-43d733067cac/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>116 - ERROR 404: BIRTHDAY NOT FOUND</title><itunes:title>ERROR 404: BIRTHDAY NOT FOUND</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Michelle, from North Hollywood, California, is an Asian American, but her specific heritage is unclear,&nbsp;and she doesn’t think she’ll ever fully know where she comes from. There’s no information about her in the year before her&nbsp;adoption, only a note that says "This baby was found..." Michele describes&nbsp;her feelings about being adopted by Asian parents, her lack of a specific birth date,&nbsp;and her creative outlets that keep her going instead of searching.&nbsp;This is Michelle’s journey.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle, from North Hollywood, California, is an Asian American, but her specific heritage is unclear,&nbsp;and she doesn’t think she’ll ever fully know where she comes from. There’s no information about her in the year before her&nbsp;adoption, only a note that says "This baby was found..." Michele describes&nbsp;her feelings about being adopted by Asian parents, her lack of a specific birth date,&nbsp;and her creative outlets that keep her going instead of searching.&nbsp;This is Michelle’s journey.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/error-404-birthday-not-found]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">de319dd7-23ca-46e6-ab41-45da004ef051</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2024 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/a24fdeb5-7701-4d7f-93da-5ef5d7bcb190/116-error-404-birthday-not-found-final.mp3" length="53786502" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>37:21</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>6</itunes:season><itunes:episode>116</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>116</podcast:episode><podcast:season>6</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/5c65162d-0551-4bf4-9c22-01ee7bacc7ea/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>111 – This Is What I Hoped You’d Be Like</title><itunes:title>This Is What I Hoped You&apos;d Be Like</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Ginger who lives in Los Angeles, began her reunion journey as a teenager who found her birth mother, saw her picture, emailed her, but never made the leap to meeting the woman. In adulthood Ginger had given birth to twins who emotionally impacted her and reminded her of the story of her own birth shared by her birth mother via email many years before, so she resurrected their relationship. This episode is unique because we captured Ginger’s story in the lead up to her cross country reunion, then we followed up shortly after to see how things were in the aftermath of hours spent face to face with her birth mother. This is Ginger’s journey.&nbsp;</p><p>Ginger (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=5.12" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:05</a>):</p><p>And I sent it to her and she wrote back and said, you have no idea what you have done for me. You have just uncapped 34 years of guilt and shame and made me feel so much better. And she asked me, would you be willing to, to meet and I said, Oh yeah, I definitely would.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=31.01" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:31</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Ginger who lives in Los Angeles. Her reunion started as a teenager who found her birth mother emailed her, but never made the leap to meeting the woman in adulthood. Ginger had given birth to twins who emotionally impacted her and reminded her of the story of her own birth shared by her birth mother many years before. So she resurrected their relationship. This episode is unique because we captured Ginger's story in the lead up to her cross country reunion. Then after to see how things were in the aftermath of an hour, spent face to face with her birth mother. This is Ginger's journey.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=97.34" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:37</a>):</p><p>Back in the summer of 2019, I was sitting on a plane ready for takeoff. When I checked email one last time before setting my phone on airplane mode, I found an email from Ginger who said she was meeting her birth mother in a few days. And she knew there was only going to be one chance to capture herself in the version of who she was before reunion. So she hoped we could record before and after interviews. I immediately recognized that she was absolutely right. We are different people before reunion, then we are after. So I emailed her back to say, yes, she admitted she had been listening to who am I really a lot in the days leading up to her reunion,</p><p>Ginger (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=141.14" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:21</a>):</p><p>I was listening to it thinking, Oh my gosh, all these things are going through my mind about like, what's about to happen. And this is like an interesting spot to be in like that I'm in right now. And I won't have this spot anymore after this weekend. It's like, my life is going to be like before and after this weekend, it's going to be like, I'm a, I'm going to be a different person with different views. So I'm like, I shouldn't, I don't know. I just want to record and like tell the story like, as it happens so that, uh, the emotions are raw.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=175.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:55</a>):</p><p>Since I was traveling, I didn't have my normal recording setup. So I spoke to Ginger</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=180.28" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:00</a>):</p><p>Through my laptop with ear buds and their terrible microphone while sitting in the lobby of a library in Sacramento, California. So I hope you'll forgive me for the sound quality of part one of this episode, as we traded in for the experience of hearing Ginger's story, as she packed her bags for her reunion day. So what you're about to hear is Ginger's perspective before reunion in August of 2019, then her recount in September, 2019 of her reunion, two weeks before our call Ginger celebrated her 35th birthday. She said she felt like she was living in an alternate universe, given the surreality of what was about to happen in her life. Ginger admitted that her main thought was concerned that she would fly to Kentucky. Then her birth mother would back out of their meeting. So this was an interesting interview because we could only record the first half without any knowledge of how things would turn out. So like I always do. I asked Ginger to describe her life in her home and in her community as an adoptee, Ginger grew up in a small coal mining town called Harlan, Kentucky way down in the Southeast corner, near Virginia and the Northern border of Tennessee. She said, it's a place that's unlike the rest of America. Ginger's parents were trying to have children for 10 years before the call came for her parents to pick her up.</p><p>Ginger (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=270.66" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:30</a>):</p><p>She said she ran right out to Belks. That was her store that she liked to go to. And she bought the prettiest little baby clothes and bottles and all this stuff. And she drove, um, the requisite hours to come and pick me up. And she said, she, she went into the hospital, she and dad, and they looked into this window with little bassinets of all kinds of little babies. And she said, she looked at me and she didn't know which was her baby, but she said, Glen, I hope it's that one. And she said, I was the prettiest little baby in the bassinet room. So she, she, um, said that they took her into a little room, um, and said, get ready for your baby. And they brought the baby in and it was indeed me. And so with that story, um, she tells it with such love and she, she just, uh, has always made me feel like adoption was a really special thing rather than like a thing that I should be self conscious about or anything.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=337.89" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:37</a>):</p><p>So since Ginger felt special, she flaunted her adoption for how special she was to have been chosen. But every once in a while, as she expressed her pride for being adopted, the person she was telling would respond apologetically as if she had admitted something with pride that she should have been ashamed of. It hadn't occurred to her that there might be a sad story to be told about being adopted. Still her mom and dad were wonderful parents as is often the case after a child is adopted Ginger's birth parents had a biological child three and a half years after her adoption. So they lived a bit of a nature versus nurture experiment. Seeing how her sister developed in contrast with her own development being raised by the same parents. I asked Ginger what she noticed in their family.</p><p>Ginger (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=388.96" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:28</a>):</p><p>According to my own case study, I would have to say that nature and nurture are both very viable factors in how we turn out, like what our morals and our, our goals and, and our like, values are. Um, but like certainly nature is a huge, huge part of it. You, you can not deny it.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=416.62" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:56</a>):</p><p>Ginger says her family are very quiet people, not big talkers, very kind and loving. They're dark haired, not super tall, not particularly adventurous. And generally by the book kinds of people.</p><p>Ginger (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=430.87" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:10</a>):</p><p>And I, on the other hand am like the Flamingo, uh, just crazy tall, um, blonde, blue eyed, uh, loud artistic person who, um, uh, I, I was, uh, I was just the multicolored sheep of my family, I guess you could say. And luckily my mom and dad, they, they nurtured this side of me. My mom put me in like every, she put me in piano lessons and all the different sports and all the different, um, singing, acting, all that stuff. And it was cool because though my sister and I are worlds apart when it comes to personality, we we're still just best friends to this day because we, we just get each other. And I wonder sometimes like if we were, uh, a lot closer in personality, if we would be as, as close, because we, we never like experienced competing or anything at all, my mom was so attentive to like,...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ginger who lives in Los Angeles, began her reunion journey as a teenager who found her birth mother, saw her picture, emailed her, but never made the leap to meeting the woman. In adulthood Ginger had given birth to twins who emotionally impacted her and reminded her of the story of her own birth shared by her birth mother via email many years before, so she resurrected their relationship. This episode is unique because we captured Ginger’s story in the lead up to her cross country reunion, then we followed up shortly after to see how things were in the aftermath of hours spent face to face with her birth mother. This is Ginger’s journey.&nbsp;</p><p>Ginger (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=5.12" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:05</a>):</p><p>And I sent it to her and she wrote back and said, you have no idea what you have done for me. You have just uncapped 34 years of guilt and shame and made me feel so much better. And she asked me, would you be willing to, to meet and I said, Oh yeah, I definitely would.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=31.01" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:31</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Ginger who lives in Los Angeles. Her reunion started as a teenager who found her birth mother emailed her, but never made the leap to meeting the woman in adulthood. Ginger had given birth to twins who emotionally impacted her and reminded her of the story of her own birth shared by her birth mother many years before. So she resurrected their relationship. This episode is unique because we captured Ginger's story in the lead up to her cross country reunion. Then after to see how things were in the aftermath of an hour, spent face to face with her birth mother. This is Ginger's journey.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=97.34" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:37</a>):</p><p>Back in the summer of 2019, I was sitting on a plane ready for takeoff. When I checked email one last time before setting my phone on airplane mode, I found an email from Ginger who said she was meeting her birth mother in a few days. And she knew there was only going to be one chance to capture herself in the version of who she was before reunion. So she hoped we could record before and after interviews. I immediately recognized that she was absolutely right. We are different people before reunion, then we are after. So I emailed her back to say, yes, she admitted she had been listening to who am I really a lot in the days leading up to her reunion,</p><p>Ginger (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=141.14" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:21</a>):</p><p>I was listening to it thinking, Oh my gosh, all these things are going through my mind about like, what's about to happen. And this is like an interesting spot to be in like that I'm in right now. And I won't have this spot anymore after this weekend. It's like, my life is going to be like before and after this weekend, it's going to be like, I'm a, I'm going to be a different person with different views. So I'm like, I shouldn't, I don't know. I just want to record and like tell the story like, as it happens so that, uh, the emotions are raw.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=175.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:55</a>):</p><p>Since I was traveling, I didn't have my normal recording setup. So I spoke to Ginger</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=180.28" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:00</a>):</p><p>Through my laptop with ear buds and their terrible microphone while sitting in the lobby of a library in Sacramento, California. So I hope you'll forgive me for the sound quality of part one of this episode, as we traded in for the experience of hearing Ginger's story, as she packed her bags for her reunion day. So what you're about to hear is Ginger's perspective before reunion in August of 2019, then her recount in September, 2019 of her reunion, two weeks before our call Ginger celebrated her 35th birthday. She said she felt like she was living in an alternate universe, given the surreality of what was about to happen in her life. Ginger admitted that her main thought was concerned that she would fly to Kentucky. Then her birth mother would back out of their meeting. So this was an interesting interview because we could only record the first half without any knowledge of how things would turn out. So like I always do. I asked Ginger to describe her life in her home and in her community as an adoptee, Ginger grew up in a small coal mining town called Harlan, Kentucky way down in the Southeast corner, near Virginia and the Northern border of Tennessee. She said, it's a place that's unlike the rest of America. Ginger's parents were trying to have children for 10 years before the call came for her parents to pick her up.</p><p>Ginger (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=270.66" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:30</a>):</p><p>She said she ran right out to Belks. That was her store that she liked to go to. And she bought the prettiest little baby clothes and bottles and all this stuff. And she drove, um, the requisite hours to come and pick me up. And she said, she, she went into the hospital, she and dad, and they looked into this window with little bassinets of all kinds of little babies. And she said, she looked at me and she didn't know which was her baby, but she said, Glen, I hope it's that one. And she said, I was the prettiest little baby in the bassinet room. So she, she, um, said that they took her into a little room, um, and said, get ready for your baby. And they brought the baby in and it was indeed me. And so with that story, um, she tells it with such love and she, she just, uh, has always made me feel like adoption was a really special thing rather than like a thing that I should be self conscious about or anything.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=337.89" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:37</a>):</p><p>So since Ginger felt special, she flaunted her adoption for how special she was to have been chosen. But every once in a while, as she expressed her pride for being adopted, the person she was telling would respond apologetically as if she had admitted something with pride that she should have been ashamed of. It hadn't occurred to her that there might be a sad story to be told about being adopted. Still her mom and dad were wonderful parents as is often the case after a child is adopted Ginger's birth parents had a biological child three and a half years after her adoption. So they lived a bit of a nature versus nurture experiment. Seeing how her sister developed in contrast with her own development being raised by the same parents. I asked Ginger what she noticed in their family.</p><p>Ginger (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=388.96" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:28</a>):</p><p>According to my own case study, I would have to say that nature and nurture are both very viable factors in how we turn out, like what our morals and our, our goals and, and our like, values are. Um, but like certainly nature is a huge, huge part of it. You, you can not deny it.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=416.62" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:56</a>):</p><p>Ginger says her family are very quiet people, not big talkers, very kind and loving. They're dark haired, not super tall, not particularly adventurous. And generally by the book kinds of people.</p><p>Ginger (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=430.87" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:10</a>):</p><p>And I, on the other hand am like the Flamingo, uh, just crazy tall, um, blonde, blue eyed, uh, loud artistic person who, um, uh, I, I was, uh, I was just the multicolored sheep of my family, I guess you could say. And luckily my mom and dad, they, they nurtured this side of me. My mom put me in like every, she put me in piano lessons and all the different sports and all the different, um, singing, acting, all that stuff. And it was cool because though my sister and I are worlds apart when it comes to personality, we we're still just best friends to this day because we, we just get each other. And I wonder sometimes like if we were, uh, a lot closer in personality, if we would be as, as close, because we, we never like experienced competing or anything at all, my mom was so attentive to like, well, if I give one child something, I have to do the same for the other. She, she was almost to a fault just obsessed with making everything even so that I wouldn't ever feel like I wasn't a part of the family.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=517.81" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:37</a>):</p><p>To me, Ginger sounded like she was pretty well content in her family. She told me she never gave search and reunion a second thought growing up. But when she was 18, the curiosities popped into her mind. She spoke with her mother about her inner thoughts. So her mom handed over a folder of Ginger's non identifying information, her birth mother's last name was identifiable in the file. So using her dial up internet, she got online and searched for babies born on her birthday to any woman with her birth mother's last name. She found a match and wrote down the woman's very unique first name expecting that after nearly 20 years, the woman would probably be buried. Ginger searched for the unique first name as a married woman in Kentucky, lo and behold,</p><p>Ginger (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=569.36" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:29</a>):</p><p>There was a name that matched that, but that was the principal of a high school. And so I clicked on this and there was a picture of her on the website of the high school. And as soon as I saw that picture, I just knew that that was her because she, she just looked like me and I had never experienced that before.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=592.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:52</a>):</p><p>She could see that the expression on the woman's face, her eyes, the texture of her birth mother's hair looked just like herself.</p><p>Ginger (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=601.73" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:01</a>):</p><p>The top half of her face, and her hair looked so much like me and I just, I just knew it was her. And, and when my mom came in to, I showed her and I remember, I don't know if my mom would even really like, admit to this or remember this, but I saw like a little bit of fear in my mom's eyes because she, my mom was like, Oh, she's so pretty. And I think mom sort of worried like, Oh, you're like, you're going to leave me for, for your birth mother, because she's so pretty and so successful and this kind of thing. And, um, I didn't even think to myself, like when I, when I saw her face, I wasn't like, she was pretty, um, I was just like, Oh, she looks like me a lot, but her, her jealousy for a second, there was just natural. And, and she never, like, she never has, uh, displayed jealous tendencies at all. She, she has like, talked about concerns, little here and there just, she, she tells me about her feelings like, but she, she really, my mom is really excited for me to meet my birth mother, but she thinks that'll be really grounding for me. And she, uh, she's curious herself too.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=678.05" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:18</a>):</p><p>Ginger said that in her late teens, not super emotionally intelligent, she didn't realize the gravity of the picture. She had just discovered online. She just thought it was kinda cool. Foremost for her was knowing the story of why she was placed for adoption and how the whole thing went down there online was her birth mother's email address. So Ginger nervously drafted an email.</p><p>Ginger (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=703.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:43</a>):</p><p>I don't know why I was just, I didn't know what her life was like, and I really didn't want her to, I didn't want to infringe on her in any way. Um, but I did want to know what the story was. So I, I emailed her and the last like lines of the email I remember was like, well, it would just be so easy to click send. And so I did, I just click, click send. And two days later I got a reply from her. And that was when I was 19. And remember I'm 35 and I still haven't met her.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=737.52" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:17</a>):</p><p>Her birth mother wrote back a very detailed email answering the question of Ginger's backstory. The woman's story picked up from the time when she was 19 years old, about to start college,</p><p>Ginger (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=750.12" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:30</a>):</p><p>Her brother, she had two brothers and one of them had recently died in a motorcycle accident. And she was in a deep depression and she was still like plugging away at college, just like trying to be the best she could be. But as you can imagine, her parents were not there for her in this time of loss, really, because they had had, they had suffered the worst loss you can suffer. And so her parents and her other brother were not really emotionally there for her at that time. And she didn't really have anybody like who could, she could like lean on. Um, the only person she really had was this on again, off again, boyfriend that she had had for a couple of years. Um, that's what she told me that he was, he was this on again, off again, boyfriend. And, um, she said that she ended up getting pregnant that first year of college. So she actually didn't start to show until like, until about five months along. And so she just went about her business. Then she went to another city for one semester and had me, and then she went back to college. Like nothing had happened, just continued with her college, sucked it up and got her degree and went on to become a principal of high school.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=831.21" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:51</a>):</p><p>Ginger's birth mother leaned on her boyfriend for emotional support. Then Ginger was conceived. She said that even in the woman's writing, she could see pieces of herself the same turns of phrase and self expression. As if the email had almost been written in her own voice. I realized her birth mother had emailed the story of her own pregnancy at 19, very close to the same age. Ginger was when she was drafting her inquisitive email to her birth mother.</p><p>Ginger (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=863.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">14:23</a>):</p><p>And that's the thing that I look back and think, Oh my Lord, I was so blind. Um, as a 19 year old to like, I was in my own world there, I was in college too. I was like about to go study abroad for like the second time. And I was just a little punk rocker. Like bebopping around doing my own thing. I had my own little jerk of a boyfriend. And, um, it was like, it was like, I, all I wanted in that time was like the answers. And when I got them, it was like, Oh, this is so cool. She seems so cool. I thought I wasn't like going there emotionally. I wasn't like really like thinking about her and like what she had gone through in that time</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=911.17" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">15:11</a>):</p><p>They wrote back and forth, conveying shallow pieces of themselves. Mostly Ginger talking narcissistically about herself, a self centered teenager. At one point Ginger's birth mother didn't reply to an email and things died off Ginger's curiosity had been satisfied and having a picture of her birth mother online was a place where she could go back to see the woman she came from. But her initial curiosities were satisfied from time to time. Ginger Googled her birth mother and could see she was very involved as a pillar of the community. Ginger said she probably pushed down some self-inflicted shame about possibly tarnishing, the woman's reputation in the community that she held. So dear</p><p>Ginger (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=955.57" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">15:55</a>):</p><p>And I sorta thought me like making further moves to like, get to know her at this time. It just might be something she's not ready for because she, she's kind of a big deal in this small town. She's like, she's like, well known and well loved in that town. And it might be a big scandal to say like, Oh, she has a daughter that she had when she was 18. And</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/l1Si2RVKozjg3qkjYQhvmU8jLGXb2a0sqv6yx4jGwK2AnMAjxUnZ6SdVBB48XYrXn4CkIccVTOgnGfiPuNuG2AaDWtc?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=984.91" rel="noopener noreferrer"...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/this-is-what-i-hoped-youd-be-like]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">bdd5b070-7bce-4df5-9337-fbc643bb7567</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2024 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d08db4a9-49f6-4e7d-bab1-c75e52ba4c62/111-this-is-what-i-hoped-youd-be-like-final.mp3" length="73937573" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>51:21</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>6</itunes:season><itunes:episode>111</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>111</podcast:episode><podcast:season>6</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/d7529366-d222-48c1-bd8e-81bcf6afe312/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>107- From A Place Of Love</title><itunes:title>107- From A Place Of Love</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>David from Columbus, Ohio said he was practically at the front door of reunion, but drove away.&nbsp;Years&nbsp;later&nbsp;he finally found some siblings who looked almost exactly like him, and others who’s genetic connection was undeniable.&nbsp;David admitted he’s not an emotional guy, but the rollercoaster of his adopted mother sparking his curiosity, his fear of what he might face on a search, inaction when he had the chance, and the combinations of&nbsp;acceptance and rejection were a lot to bear over the years.&nbsp;This is David’s journey.&nbsp;</p><p>David (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=8.48" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:08</a>):</p><p>And like I said, by nature, I'm not a very emotional person. I don't wear my emotions, on my sleeve but man, this was probably the most emotional thing. And I've buried three parents. And by far, this is the most emotional thing I've ever done in my life.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=32.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:32</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is David. He called me from Columbus, Ohio in David's story. You'll hear a man who was practically at the door of reunion, but drove away years later, he finally found some siblings who looked almost exactly like him and others whose genetic connection was undeniable. It's a story made for a book or a movie. Thankfully David has filmed it all. This is David's journey. When I spoke to David, he was in the process of filming a documentary about his adoption journey. He said that from what he's heard, he had a pretty charmed adoption. It was an arranged adoption. And he went straight from the hospital to his new home where he describes a fantastic life. His mother was a stay at home. Mom, his father ran a local used car lot.</p><p>David (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=106.01" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:46</a>):</p><p>I had a, you know, just total attention and they showered me with love attention that stayed active in everything. Church, small groups played sports and did everything. So any and everything that I could ever want need think about was provided before I could really even think need or want it. So I was very fortunate in my situation to know nothing but love. And, and, uh, so I was very blessed as a child. And that continues to this day.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=139.58" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:19</a>):</p><p>David said he was an only child. His adopted mother was able to get pregnant one time, sadly, she had a bicycle accident and she was never able to get pregnant again. He said he had people in his life who filled the roles of siblings though. One dear cousin was like a big sister to David. He had a close buddy in the neighborhood, Kevin, who was also adopted, who was also adopted and was like a kindred spirit. And they grew up almost like brothers. They were that close. When I asked about adoption as an experience in his home, he said they only spoke of it twice in their house. The first time was when David was a boy, maybe five years old.</p><p>David (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=182.34" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:02</a>):</p><p>You know, when I was old enough to understand my parents sat me down and told me that I was adopted. And then it was never really an issue after that. I mean, I look so much like my mother that, you know, there was never any, any thing, you know, where wow, you look totally different or, you know, if you didn't know better, you would have thought. My mother gave birth. It was how much we looked alike. And as far as the love or the thing, it was never an issue, you know, within the family cousins, you know, I mean, it was known, it wasn't a hidden thing, but it's just not something you sat around and talked about. It never, never really was an issue for me growing up. And they never made me feel any different. Uh, I would assume this is how, you know, most families are</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=236.22" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:56</a>):</p><p>In adulthood. David's mother fell ill. She was taking care of her personal business and tidying her affairs with her loved ones. That was the second time they talked about adoption.</p><p>David (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=247.59" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:07</a>):</p><p>And then the second time was when my mother was taking care of her business at the end, when she was sick and knew she wasn't going to be here much longer. She sat me down and I was 39, man. So we, uh, and we talked about it again and that conversation was, Hey, if you ever want to look, it's okay. There's a picture of your birth mother here. And you will recognize it when you see it because you look just like her. So, um, we talked about it once when I was five. And then once when she was getting her affairs in order before she departed. So those were the only two times that it really ever came up.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=293.13" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:53</a>):</p><p>What do you think when she said that to you at 39, there's a picture of your birth mother here and you look just like her?</p><p>David (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=300.48" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:00</a>):</p><p>Well, naturally I really, you know, my thing was, why are we even talking about this mom? You know, what, why, why is this coming back up? And you know, it was one of those boys just be quiet and listen, let me say what I got to say type thing, because I had such love and I never felt like I missed out on anything or never really. I mean, it was always in the back of my mind and the not knowing, but I never felt as if I was missing out on anything. So, you know, it was kind of one of those things, why are we even having this discussion? And, uh, but she had the foresight to see that later on, you know, as I got older that I may want to, and she just wanted to let me know it was okay with her, that from me not to feel guilty or not to feel any type of way, if I ever did decide to look and that there was a picture there, if I wanted to find it. And all of that, she was is basically telling me there's access to it. If you decide to do it, it's okay with me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=366.22" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:06</a>):</p><p>That's really amazing that she took that time to do so as she was preparing for her own transition, because there's so many adoptees who start their search, some of them don't even tell their adoptive parents that it has begun and then the person passes away and they don't actually have a concrete feeling as to how their parents would have felt about the search. But she, as you said, had the foresight to say, this might be something that comes up for you. I just want to make sure you know, I'm okay. I think that's amazing.</p><p>David (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=400.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:40</a>):</p><p>Oh, it was, it was, it's just one of many acts of love. And, and we'll get into this a little later, I'm sure. But just one of the many acts of love that she's shown through my life and for her to do that because, you know, I would have never, never thought about looking while she was alive. Like I said, I didn't miss out. And I had a fierce sense of loyalty to her, but she knew that through circumstances, whether it be through health issues, curiosity, whatever the case may be, there may come a point in time that I wanted to look. And so she just kind of gave me a clue or two that if I did, Hey, it's okay. And here's something that may help you. So that was very big on her, but that's the type of person she was. The type of person my mother was. She always thought of others. So that's one of the things that I love most about her</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=459.88" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:39</a>):</p><p>David's adoptive. Dad was from a large depression era family out of North Carolina. He was the kind of guy who showed his love by getting up every day and going to work to provide for the family. They did father, son bonding, things like fishing,...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David from Columbus, Ohio said he was practically at the front door of reunion, but drove away.&nbsp;Years&nbsp;later&nbsp;he finally found some siblings who looked almost exactly like him, and others who’s genetic connection was undeniable.&nbsp;David admitted he’s not an emotional guy, but the rollercoaster of his adopted mother sparking his curiosity, his fear of what he might face on a search, inaction when he had the chance, and the combinations of&nbsp;acceptance and rejection were a lot to bear over the years.&nbsp;This is David’s journey.&nbsp;</p><p>David (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=8.48" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:08</a>):</p><p>And like I said, by nature, I'm not a very emotional person. I don't wear my emotions, on my sleeve but man, this was probably the most emotional thing. And I've buried three parents. And by far, this is the most emotional thing I've ever done in my life.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=32.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:32</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is David. He called me from Columbus, Ohio in David's story. You'll hear a man who was practically at the door of reunion, but drove away years later, he finally found some siblings who looked almost exactly like him and others whose genetic connection was undeniable. It's a story made for a book or a movie. Thankfully David has filmed it all. This is David's journey. When I spoke to David, he was in the process of filming a documentary about his adoption journey. He said that from what he's heard, he had a pretty charmed adoption. It was an arranged adoption. And he went straight from the hospital to his new home where he describes a fantastic life. His mother was a stay at home. Mom, his father ran a local used car lot.</p><p>David (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=106.01" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:46</a>):</p><p>I had a, you know, just total attention and they showered me with love attention that stayed active in everything. Church, small groups played sports and did everything. So any and everything that I could ever want need think about was provided before I could really even think need or want it. So I was very fortunate in my situation to know nothing but love. And, and, uh, so I was very blessed as a child. And that continues to this day.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=139.58" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:19</a>):</p><p>David said he was an only child. His adopted mother was able to get pregnant one time, sadly, she had a bicycle accident and she was never able to get pregnant again. He said he had people in his life who filled the roles of siblings though. One dear cousin was like a big sister to David. He had a close buddy in the neighborhood, Kevin, who was also adopted, who was also adopted and was like a kindred spirit. And they grew up almost like brothers. They were that close. When I asked about adoption as an experience in his home, he said they only spoke of it twice in their house. The first time was when David was a boy, maybe five years old.</p><p>David (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=182.34" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:02</a>):</p><p>You know, when I was old enough to understand my parents sat me down and told me that I was adopted. And then it was never really an issue after that. I mean, I look so much like my mother that, you know, there was never any, any thing, you know, where wow, you look totally different or, you know, if you didn't know better, you would have thought. My mother gave birth. It was how much we looked alike. And as far as the love or the thing, it was never an issue, you know, within the family cousins, you know, I mean, it was known, it wasn't a hidden thing, but it's just not something you sat around and talked about. It never, never really was an issue for me growing up. And they never made me feel any different. Uh, I would assume this is how, you know, most families are</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=236.22" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:56</a>):</p><p>In adulthood. David's mother fell ill. She was taking care of her personal business and tidying her affairs with her loved ones. That was the second time they talked about adoption.</p><p>David (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=247.59" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:07</a>):</p><p>And then the second time was when my mother was taking care of her business at the end, when she was sick and knew she wasn't going to be here much longer. She sat me down and I was 39, man. So we, uh, and we talked about it again and that conversation was, Hey, if you ever want to look, it's okay. There's a picture of your birth mother here. And you will recognize it when you see it because you look just like her. So, um, we talked about it once when I was five. And then once when she was getting her affairs in order before she departed. So those were the only two times that it really ever came up.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=293.13" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:53</a>):</p><p>What do you think when she said that to you at 39, there's a picture of your birth mother here and you look just like her?</p><p>David (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=300.48" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:00</a>):</p><p>Well, naturally I really, you know, my thing was, why are we even talking about this mom? You know, what, why, why is this coming back up? And you know, it was one of those boys just be quiet and listen, let me say what I got to say type thing, because I had such love and I never felt like I missed out on anything or never really. I mean, it was always in the back of my mind and the not knowing, but I never felt as if I was missing out on anything. So, you know, it was kind of one of those things, why are we even having this discussion? And, uh, but she had the foresight to see that later on, you know, as I got older that I may want to, and she just wanted to let me know it was okay with her, that from me not to feel guilty or not to feel any type of way, if I ever did decide to look and that there was a picture there, if I wanted to find it. And all of that, she was is basically telling me there's access to it. If you decide to do it, it's okay with me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=366.22" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:06</a>):</p><p>That's really amazing that she took that time to do so as she was preparing for her own transition, because there's so many adoptees who start their search, some of them don't even tell their adoptive parents that it has begun and then the person passes away and they don't actually have a concrete feeling as to how their parents would have felt about the search. But she, as you said, had the foresight to say, this might be something that comes up for you. I just want to make sure you know, I'm okay. I think that's amazing.</p><p>David (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=400.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:40</a>):</p><p>Oh, it was, it was, it's just one of many acts of love. And, and we'll get into this a little later, I'm sure. But just one of the many acts of love that she's shown through my life and for her to do that because, you know, I would have never, never thought about looking while she was alive. Like I said, I didn't miss out. And I had a fierce sense of loyalty to her, but she knew that through circumstances, whether it be through health issues, curiosity, whatever the case may be, there may come a point in time that I wanted to look. And so she just kind of gave me a clue or two that if I did, Hey, it's okay. And here's something that may help you. So that was very big on her, but that's the type of person she was. The type of person my mother was. She always thought of others. So that's one of the things that I love most about her</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=459.88" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:39</a>):</p><p>David's adoptive. Dad was from a large depression era family out of North Carolina. He was the kind of guy who showed his love by getting up every day and going to work to provide for the family. They did father, son bonding, things like fishing, but they had divergent interests. His adopted father was all about his business in cars. David was totally into sports.</p><p>David (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=483.04" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:03</a>):</p><p>My mother used to say, if there was a ball in the air, I was somewhere chasing it. So as I got a little older, you know, my interests were towards sports and his interests were toward business. And then he died when I was 17.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=499.24" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:19</a>):</p><p>David said he felt love from his father, even though he wasn't the lovey dovey touchy feely kind of dude David's adoptive mother passed away in 1999 in the aftermath of handling her affairs and managing his own emotions. He especially paid attention to the pictures. There were two photographs of women that could have been possibilities to be his biological mother. He put those pictures aside, not ready to go down that road in the midst of his own grief. Two years later in 2001, David's curiosity started to creep in his mother had planted a seed and it started to grow. When he pulled the pictures out, he found some writing on the back of one of them. It was dated 1976. So David quickly eliminated that photo as a possibility for the identity of his biological mother. He says his wife at the time suggested he look into accessing his original birth certificate or OBC. David went to vital statistics, got his OBC, and finally learned his birth mother's name and birthdate. A buddy of his was a police officer. So David conveyed the woman's information and the officer returned with a woman's proper address. David and his wife at the time went to that address. Only two miles from where David grew up. As a boy,</p><p>David (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=580.55" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:40</a>):</p><p>We were sitting in front of the building that she lived in. And when it came that moment of truth, I looked at my wife and said, I can't do it. Can't do it. And drove off</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=594.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:54</a>):</p><p>Your plan was to just show up, knock on the door</p><p>David (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=598.7" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:58</a>):</p><p>Via, despite of all, all the things that you hear, all of the things that they say, well, you know, you don't want to shock anybody. I'm a straightforward person, always have been and probably will be till the day I die. Whether that's a good trait or bad trait, but when that moment of truth, because like most adoptees, you kind of wonder, well, what's it going to be like, what are they like? Whether you have fantasies in your own mind, any of that, then you also deal with that thought of rejection. What if they have not told if they've gone on had another life, started another family, and haven't told anybody about you and here you are showing up at the door and knocking on the door, talking about, I think I'm your son. And they look at you and go, man, you gotta go. I haven't told anybody about you. You gotta go. You gotta go. So that I think when that moment of truth came, um, that realization hit me right then</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=660.56" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:00</a>):</p><p>David, wasn't only thinking about his birth mother. He was thinking about the stability of his own world. He had a rich, full life behind him. What might be? He had a rich, full life behind him. He questioned what might be facing him in reunion. He had children of his own, a wife, and he wondered why he should disrupt someone else's life. When he felt plenty of love and wasn't missing or needing anything for himself. Why possibly up end and disrupt someone else's life unnecessarily. Anyway, David went years passing by this woman's building on errands, going to work or even going through his old neighborhood where he grew up. He drove by and looked and wondered, but the same thoughts that prevented him from getting out of the car the day he pulled up that day, he pulled up out in front, held him for 17 years. In 2018, David was 58. He had been facing the classic challenges of confronting physicians who asked about his medical history only to be left with the answer that leaves many adoptees feeling incomplete. I don't know I'm adopted. He was starting to have some of the issues that a man has to pay attention to. As he aged, he wanted to give more information about his own health history to his daughter. And he was looking right at the milestone age of 60 on the horizon.</p><p>David (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=746.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:26</a>):</p><p>That curiosity of not knowing exactly who I was. I mean, I knew David Bynum and how I grown up in the family and all that. But I did not know what my true roots were. And then you see the commercials for ancestry and you see all of these things. So I think all of that played a part to where, okay, David, it's that moment of truth either. You're going to do it now or are you going to let it go? Because I said, well, if I'm going to look, what am I going to look when I'm 60, when I'm 62 65. So I made the decision. I'm either going to look now or put this out of my mind and never think about it again. So I prayed about it, asked God to order my steps sat down in front of the computer and just started typing. You know, how do you find, or what's the best way to find your biological family?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=798.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:18</a>):</p><p>The computer returned a link to the adoption network. Cleveland. He sent an email to the point of contact for adult adoption cases. Tracy. She made some recommendations, including getting another copy of his OBC. He lost the one he had obtained years earlier. David went on vacation while Tracy did her work. When he returned, Tracy had left a message for David.</p><p>David (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=822.03" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:42</a>):</p><p>So I gave her a call and she told me, she thinks she's pretty sure there was no way to be a hundred percent sure, but she was fairly certain. She had located my birth mother and family that I had two siblings. So the funny thing, and when I tell this story, I have to stop and laugh. When she told me I had two siblings, it was like, you see on television, the commercial where everything froze. And I don't think I heard another word. She said after she told me I had two siblings, I had a brother and a sister.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=856.98" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">14:16</a>):</p><p>He said he suspected he might have siblings because his birth mother was young enough when she was born, that it was likely she had other children. He said it was unbelievable to go from being an only child to receiving the news that he was actually the oldest of five. Tracy emailed David, a report of her findings and suggestions on how to make contact. He sat and read everything from Tracy's thorough search of public records, addresses spouses, birth dates, and more naturally, he did what we often do in this modern era.</p><p>David (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=889.83" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">14:49</a>):</p><p>You know, once I got it, what I laugh and call cyber stock, cyber stock. My sister pulled up her Facebook page. And as the moment that I laid eyes on her, I looked at my wife and said, that's my sister. That's how much we look alike.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=908.47" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">15:08</a>):</p><p>David looked into his brother, but he hadn't posted any pictures of himself. Only a hyperlink to his LinkedIn profile</p><p>David (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/EAlpk8k6DyWzA-ubO_Hy0auoOT1Zf0sFl2FThKHvB2ghOLWl8odBk26VcWVqfO8HAegqla7ZxVcophEBhe5X8ErcVtM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=915.61" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">15:15</a>):</p><p>His LinkedIn. I pulled it up and looked at him and we looked at like, like if, if I were shorter, he was taller. We'd almost be twins. Oh, it blew my mind, man. It blew my mind. The first thing I did when I looked at my sister's Facebook page was to look at friends. We had in common. And the very first friend that I saw of hers was a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/107-from-a-place-of-love-21]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">c52a3242-f0e7-4075-8983-e21ceabefd8a</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2024 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/1461a612-fcee-4191-9a54-1f1d07d65f16/107-from-a-place-of-love-final.mp3" length="58603893" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>40:42</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>5</itunes:season><itunes:episode>107</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>107</podcast:episode><podcast:season>5</podcast:season></item><item><title>098 – Trained In Trauma</title><itunes:title>098 – Trained In Trauma</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Julie Lopez lives and works in Washington, D.C.&nbsp;Julie’s early childhood was happy at home, but it was her circle of friends that made her question just what was wrong with being adopted? When she graduated college, her need for information, for professional reasons, made her stumble across an old document she’d seen before, which impulsively steered her down the path toward reunion.&nbsp;Along hat road she found trauma that she was already prepared to handle and disappointment that she’s also thankful for because the whole experience keeps her grounded.</p><p>Dr. Lopez runs the Viva Center – https://www.vivapartnership.com/</p><p>You can find her book: “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Live-Empowered-Rewire-Implicit-Business/dp/1544513909/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=dr+julie+lope+live+empowered&amp;qid=1567749825&amp;s=gateway&amp;sr=8-1-spell" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Live Empowered: Rewire Your Brain’s Implicit Memory To Thrive In Business, Love, and Life</a>“</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/098-trained-in-trauma/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">098 – Trained In Trauma</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=5.67" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:05</a>):</p><p>Okay. I think behind every adoption there's usually trauma and then there is the just families don't give up children without some kind of distress and circumstance. You know, it goes against human nature.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=28.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:28</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Julie. She lives in Washington D C Julie's early childhood was happy at home, but it was her circle of friends that made her question just what was wrong with being adopted. When she graduated college her need for information, for professional reasons made her stumble across an old document she'd seen before which impulsively steered her down the path toward reunion along that road, she found trauma that she was already prepared to handle and disappointment that she's also thankful for. This is Julie's journey. Julie grew up in McLean, Virginia. She said her parents were very loving people who were somewhat open about her adoption from Catholic charities. Julie was the oldest child in their house, followed by a younger sister, adopted from San Antonio, Texas. A few years later, her parents were approved for a third international adoption from Mexico when her mother got pregnant.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=108.35" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:48</a>):</p><p>And I remembered her asking me, cause at that point I was seven, you know what, what should, what would I like to have happen? And she was pregnant, I'm going to have a child. And we all knew, you know, the adoption had gone through and what should we do. And I said, Oh you know what a both, but they didn't end up adopting the child from Mexico. And then my parents had another biological child two years after that. So there were four of us, two adopted and then a pretty big gap. And then two more children that were biologically connected to my adoptive parents.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=146.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:26</a>):</p><p>So in their home there were two older adopted girls, a five year gap, then two younger boys who were biological to her parents. That age differential can be challenging. But Julie said she was still close with her younger brothers, almost like a second mother to them while navigating the normal healthy battles that come with having a younger sister closer to her own age, but in her family they didn't talk about adoption much, at least not as much as they could have. She said she didn't know enough to be curious and ask questions.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=178.51" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:58</a>):</p><p>If I brought it up they would would've talked about it, but most of it would be their anxiety about me being upset. Right. It was like they definitely wanted to shelter me from that and so it wasn't really talked about hardly at all unless it was like more factual. Like I had this fact sheet about my biological mother and father had their age and their weight and their height and their interests and their nationalities and stuff like that. I always had that</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=211.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:31</a>):</p><p>This fact sheet wasn't comprehensive at all. It only spoke of her birth parents in generalities far less than what her actual non identifying information would have. Julie's parents let her see the document and she knew it was in a file if she ever wanted to review it again. What's interesting is the concept of adoption and its perception among her friends and in the community was the more challenging piece for her growing up.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=236.14" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:56</a>):</p><p>And so I would say the bigger impact on me as I understood it growing up was in school and the peers and things like that. The idea that I was adopted, I didn't have to know other people that were adopted. Like there was this one family in our church that had clearly adopted a child because their child was black and they were white. That type of thing, like an international adoption, but, but I didn't even really know them. I could just see them across like, you know, we were part of a pretty big church so I really, aside from my sister, didn't know anyone else adopted. Although like looking back there probably were other adopted people. I just didn't know that. But I definitely knew when we did, well, first of all, every time I went to the doctor and they would ask questions about health history, those types of in jokes like other kids would say about being adopted was basically equated with being unwanted or kind of defective actually. It was like an insult you'd say to someone if I would say I was adopted. Most of my friends didn't want that to be true. Mostly because they liked today and it's that like that's not true. I'm like, no, it is true. They're all like, no, because, because they, I don't know, I guess they thought I was normal and nice and kind and that couldn't be what an adoptee looks like or something. I mean, they never said that, but I just know they didn't want me to be adopted, so that was, I don't know. That was hard.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=329.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:29</a>):</p><p>In fifth grade, Julie had one special best friend. They were both little tomboys and they played all kinds of sports together. Usually the only two girls in the mix with the boys. At school, the kids were learning about dominant and recessive traits. Their assignment was to note their mother's eye color, their father's eye color, and the kids were supposed to use a chart to pick the probability of their own eye color.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=354.61" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:54</a>):</p><p>And the teacher picked mine as an example. Like she was like, let me have one as an example. She showed what I had written. Well of course I guess I had that fact sheet, but at that age I didn't, I don't know. I didn't know that info. So I just put down my adoptive parents info and my friend, so this is in front of all class, that's the whole thing. And she was just being like scientific, I guess, you know. She was like, what? Wait a second. That's not relevant. This whole discussion is not relevant because this is not her biological line. And I remember just feeling so embarrassed that she said that even though it wasn't mean hearted, it was like more trying to understand the truth or factual piece that the teacher was trying to teach. But I was like, Oh my gosh, like kind of horrified. I didn't keep it secret from people, but I wouldn't have announced it like that in front of, you know, 25 kids.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=410.17" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:50</a>):</p><p>When Julie finished college at 22 she was traveling a lot for work as a consultant in systems engineering and she needed documentation to update her...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Julie Lopez lives and works in Washington, D.C.&nbsp;Julie’s early childhood was happy at home, but it was her circle of friends that made her question just what was wrong with being adopted? When she graduated college, her need for information, for professional reasons, made her stumble across an old document she’d seen before, which impulsively steered her down the path toward reunion.&nbsp;Along hat road she found trauma that she was already prepared to handle and disappointment that she’s also thankful for because the whole experience keeps her grounded.</p><p>Dr. Lopez runs the Viva Center – https://www.vivapartnership.com/</p><p>You can find her book: “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Live-Empowered-Rewire-Implicit-Business/dp/1544513909/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=dr+julie+lope+live+empowered&amp;qid=1567749825&amp;s=gateway&amp;sr=8-1-spell" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Live Empowered: Rewire Your Brain’s Implicit Memory To Thrive In Business, Love, and Life</a>“</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/098-trained-in-trauma/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">098 – Trained In Trauma</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=5.67" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:05</a>):</p><p>Okay. I think behind every adoption there's usually trauma and then there is the just families don't give up children without some kind of distress and circumstance. You know, it goes against human nature.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=28.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:28</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Julie. She lives in Washington D C Julie's early childhood was happy at home, but it was her circle of friends that made her question just what was wrong with being adopted. When she graduated college her need for information, for professional reasons made her stumble across an old document she'd seen before which impulsively steered her down the path toward reunion along that road, she found trauma that she was already prepared to handle and disappointment that she's also thankful for. This is Julie's journey. Julie grew up in McLean, Virginia. She said her parents were very loving people who were somewhat open about her adoption from Catholic charities. Julie was the oldest child in their house, followed by a younger sister, adopted from San Antonio, Texas. A few years later, her parents were approved for a third international adoption from Mexico when her mother got pregnant.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=108.35" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:48</a>):</p><p>And I remembered her asking me, cause at that point I was seven, you know what, what should, what would I like to have happen? And she was pregnant, I'm going to have a child. And we all knew, you know, the adoption had gone through and what should we do. And I said, Oh you know what a both, but they didn't end up adopting the child from Mexico. And then my parents had another biological child two years after that. So there were four of us, two adopted and then a pretty big gap. And then two more children that were biologically connected to my adoptive parents.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=146.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:26</a>):</p><p>So in their home there were two older adopted girls, a five year gap, then two younger boys who were biological to her parents. That age differential can be challenging. But Julie said she was still close with her younger brothers, almost like a second mother to them while navigating the normal healthy battles that come with having a younger sister closer to her own age, but in her family they didn't talk about adoption much, at least not as much as they could have. She said she didn't know enough to be curious and ask questions.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=178.51" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:58</a>):</p><p>If I brought it up they would would've talked about it, but most of it would be their anxiety about me being upset. Right. It was like they definitely wanted to shelter me from that and so it wasn't really talked about hardly at all unless it was like more factual. Like I had this fact sheet about my biological mother and father had their age and their weight and their height and their interests and their nationalities and stuff like that. I always had that</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=211.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:31</a>):</p><p>This fact sheet wasn't comprehensive at all. It only spoke of her birth parents in generalities far less than what her actual non identifying information would have. Julie's parents let her see the document and she knew it was in a file if she ever wanted to review it again. What's interesting is the concept of adoption and its perception among her friends and in the community was the more challenging piece for her growing up.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=236.14" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:56</a>):</p><p>And so I would say the bigger impact on me as I understood it growing up was in school and the peers and things like that. The idea that I was adopted, I didn't have to know other people that were adopted. Like there was this one family in our church that had clearly adopted a child because their child was black and they were white. That type of thing, like an international adoption, but, but I didn't even really know them. I could just see them across like, you know, we were part of a pretty big church so I really, aside from my sister, didn't know anyone else adopted. Although like looking back there probably were other adopted people. I just didn't know that. But I definitely knew when we did, well, first of all, every time I went to the doctor and they would ask questions about health history, those types of in jokes like other kids would say about being adopted was basically equated with being unwanted or kind of defective actually. It was like an insult you'd say to someone if I would say I was adopted. Most of my friends didn't want that to be true. Mostly because they liked today and it's that like that's not true. I'm like, no, it is true. They're all like, no, because, because they, I don't know, I guess they thought I was normal and nice and kind and that couldn't be what an adoptee looks like or something. I mean, they never said that, but I just know they didn't want me to be adopted, so that was, I don't know. That was hard.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=329.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:29</a>):</p><p>In fifth grade, Julie had one special best friend. They were both little tomboys and they played all kinds of sports together. Usually the only two girls in the mix with the boys. At school, the kids were learning about dominant and recessive traits. Their assignment was to note their mother's eye color, their father's eye color, and the kids were supposed to use a chart to pick the probability of their own eye color.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=354.61" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:54</a>):</p><p>And the teacher picked mine as an example. Like she was like, let me have one as an example. She showed what I had written. Well of course I guess I had that fact sheet, but at that age I didn't, I don't know. I didn't know that info. So I just put down my adoptive parents info and my friend, so this is in front of all class, that's the whole thing. And she was just being like scientific, I guess, you know. She was like, what? Wait a second. That's not relevant. This whole discussion is not relevant because this is not her biological line. And I remember just feeling so embarrassed that she said that even though it wasn't mean hearted, it was like more trying to understand the truth or factual piece that the teacher was trying to teach. But I was like, Oh my gosh, like kind of horrified. I didn't keep it secret from people, but I wouldn't have announced it like that in front of, you know, 25 kids.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=410.17" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:50</a>):</p><p>When Julie finished college at 22 she was traveling a lot for work as a consultant in systems engineering and she needed documentation to update her passport. She left her home in Washington DC to visit her parents in McLean, Virginia to pick up the info. The info she needed was stored in the same file as her adoption documentation.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=430.2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:10</a>):</p><p>Yeah, I dunno. I guess, my life was feeling more settled. Like I had a job, I was an adult. Maybe I had a little more bandwidth for it, but when I opened that file I was like, huh. And it was on a letterhead and it said Catholic charities and had the address and phone number and just like that without thinking at all. I called the number, I guess I was, if you've read any of the adoption literature, like I was the quote unquote good adoptee, right? Like I performed really well at everything. It was super anxiety driven. Right? I think somewhere in my mind I thought I'm like perfect and do everything well and don't bother anyone and people like me, then I won't be given up again. And so I was that kid and my sister, you know, although she didn't like become a drug addict or anything was like much more volatile. And would do kind of volatile things. And she was like difficult, although you know, she went to college and all that stuff, but she was just a lot more challenging and combative and with some regularity. She would scream at my parents you are not my real parents are like, I'm going to leave or stuff like that where I would, I even remember as a kid saying I'm like her, she can't say stuff like that. Don't you realize what they're doing for us, because I really felt like a charity case. Like they're feeding us they're clothing us. I know my parents didn't think that, but I obviously was like acutely aware that I was a visitor kind of thing. And so yeah, just like that, I had never thought about finding my biological parents. I had never thought about doing anything like that. I thought that would upset my adoptive parents. And so I just called.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=528.49" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:48</a>):</p><p>On that impulsive call. Julie had no idea what to say. So she just started sharing that she was adopted through charities several years ago the woman invited Julie to make an appointment with a social worker who gave her more non identifying information.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=544.05" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:04</a>):</p><p>It was very emotional because there I am at agency and I feel like that was kind of, it was just an interesting moment for me. Not so conscious of the whole bigger thing. But um, I could, you know, obviously like hold up a lot of feeling</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=563.54" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:23</a>):</p><p>Right after Julie started talking about her feelings, I realized she expressed another set of feelings that she really hadn't explained. Take me back a little bit to your teenage years because you said something really interesting. You said, I was acutely aware that I was a visitor and I didn't get the impression that your family made you feel that way. Like you haven't said anything that you, that has indicated that you felt othered or like an outsider or anything like that. So how did you arrive at this feeling of, of being a visitor in your home?</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=601.41" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:01</a>):</p><p>No, to be honest I think like I look back on that moment because I know that I was, I told my sister that like I know that those words came out of my mouth. Like that kind of idea like that, that, that the food and the shelter and all that stuff was like a charity. But I think it comes from a bigger, yeah, I don't think it was what my parents were doing. I think it comes from the bigger cultural context of what it means to be orphaned and then taken in by someone else and cause the dominant I, that's what I, that's all I can conclude. Cause no one overtly said that to me. It was more the other types of things that I, I'm mentioning to you about like the other kids not wanting that to be true because it meant something.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=651.06" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:51</a>):</p><p>Uh, so this was a collective feeling over time</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=656.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:56</a>):</p><p>Yeah I think it was more of a cultural thing than about what it means to be adopted. And that's the way I internalized it. You know, there I was born into unfortunate circumstances and it's interesting, but an adult person who has been pretty active in the adoptee community for a couple of decades that the dominant narrative isn't, you know, look how lucky these people are that were infertile and wanted and have a baby. The dominant narrative I think had a lot to do with the way I had internalized my position in our culture. It wasn't my parents.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=694.36" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:34</a>):</p><p>Julie petitioned to the courts to open her records, paid a private investigator to locate her birth mother and they found her right away. The process continued with Julie's introductory letter being mailed to the woman's confirmed address. Then the rest was up to her birth mother. Julie included her phone number in the letter and she can remember the moment her birth mother called her in Florida 26 years ago</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=718.74" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:58</a>):</p><p>And we had a nice talk. She's super cool. I like, she was like really open and um, I didn't know at that moment like how lucky I was in that regard. Just having had so many friends, adoptee friends work this reunion thing and have really, you know, challenging or no relationship with their biological mom or dad for various different complicated reasons. But yeah, she was really cool. She was super open. Just like so, Damon the reason I stopped is because I think I mentioned it to you, she passed away this summer.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=767.57" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:47</a>):</p><p>Yeah.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=770.11" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:50</a>):</p><p>Yeah. So it's like kind of remembering all this stuff. It's like a little bit hard because you know, she's, she was a super cool person and really strong. She went through a lot and uh, yeah, I feel lucky about that. But like also sad that she passed away just last month actually.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=794.79" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:14</a>):</p><p>Yeah. I'm sorry. I meant that I forgot to how recent her passing was and that's really sad.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=808.31" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:28</a>):</p><p>Yeah.It was like a week or two after we were supposed to talk for the first time</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=809.21" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:29</a>):</p><p>Wow. Her mother's death is a complicated story. Julie recalls that about a month prior, her birth mother was on the phone with Kelsey. Julie's maternal sister on that call. She said her mother felt tired and her voice sounded weak. They rushed her to the hospital where the medical team diagnosed her with walking pneumonia, a lung infection, and a variety of other problems. The clinical staff put her into a medically induced coma and they corrected many of the major issues their mother was having. When the team brought her back from the coma, she didn't fully recover.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/K-j94L_-lSlDgHVJwwg-QopINRRTzjRgEt2yT7xPwsCc8RYjeC-elOUcSWQuDRaG9QAvyik3F5R0vLB1aLyQ8pb1Zow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=845.69" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">14:05</a>):</p><p>She had come to right away, but she was starting to show progress to the point where like responding, not really talking,...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/098-trained-in-trauma]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2539</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2024 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/118fdb3e-e530-4faf-bdc4-6f8d7642050f/098-trained-in-trauma-final.mp3" length="37902998" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>39:29</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>5</itunes:season><itunes:episode>98</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>98</podcast:episode><podcast:season>5</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Dr. Julie Lopez lives and works in Washington, D.C.  Julie’s early childhood was happy at home, but it was her circle of friends that made her question just what was wrong with being adopted? When she graduated college, her need for information, for professional reasons, made her stumble across an old document she’d seen before,…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>067 – Part Of The Gift Has Been The Work I’ve Done On Myself</title><itunes:title>067 – Part Of The Gift Has Been The Work I’ve Done On Myself</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Christie was a shy child who wanted to participate in activities but held herself back from engaging. It wasn't until she was an adult that her adopted brother unexpectedly suggested Christie might want to search. That’s when their mother shared her adoption information. When she found her birth father, he openly acknowledged their relationship and explained that he and her birth mother would have been very young parents with no parents of their own. He introduced Christie to her birth mother, and the women took it slow, getting to know and trust one another. The biggest reunion surprise for Christie was realizing she wasn’t as well-adjusted about her adoption as she thought. Her reunions uncovered buried emotions that had plagued her since childhood, but she’s putting in the work to heal herself.</p><p>The blog post Christie references is:&nbsp;https://adultadopteesupport.blogspot.com/2014/01/am-i-blood-or-am-i-water.html</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Christine:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-nSkCR_tMV0ToLYmndtFFSZo3xNDkpdw6KOpyl7m5Ep02Njmz9sZsMzoC0Y6z57DTVHhkttj6OkTUKmh1jpLZ66F8gY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=4.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That was the essence of what I grew up with, this feeling, this and not anything that my parents put on me. It was me putting on myself and from such a young age, I don’t even recall it happening, that I have felt ashamed of being adopted, that I knew that I wasn’t worthy of being kept, you know, so I’ve done a lot of work and it’s really profoundly changed me as a person.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-nSkCR_tMV0ToLYmndtFFSZo3xNDkpdw6KOpyl7m5Ep02Njmz9sZsMzoC0Y6z57DTVHhkttj6OkTUKmh1jpLZ66F8gY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-nSkCR_tMV0ToLYmndtFFSZo3xNDkpdw6KOpyl7m5Ep02Njmz9sZsMzoC0Y6z57DTVHhkttj6OkTUKmh1jpLZ66F8gY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.19" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Christie. She called me from Rocklin, California, a suburb of Sacramento. christie tells the story of being a shy child who wanted to participate in activities, but she held herself back from engaging. It wasn’t until she was an adult were her adopted Brother unexpectedly suggested that Kristi might want to search that her mother shared her adoption information with her. When she found her birth father. He openly acknowledged their relation and explained to the complexities of their situation as young parents Long ago. He introduced Christie to her birth mother and the women took it slow getting to know and trust one another. This is Christie’s journey….</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-nSkCR_tMV0ToLYmndtFFSZo3xNDkpdw6KOpyl7m5Ep02Njmz9sZsMzoC0Y6z57DTVHhkttj6OkTUKmh1jpLZ66F8gY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=100.441" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:40</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;christie was born in the early 1960s in San Diego, California. Her adoptive parents took her home from the hospital when she was three days old. She always knew she was adopted, but her adoption was closed so her parents either didn’t know or never shared the details of for her adoption with her. Christie has a younger brother, also an adoptee, but they’re unrelated. They had a loving family where adoption was an accepted part of how things were. She talks about her demeanor as a child.</p><p>Christine:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-nSkCR_tMV0ToLYmndtFFSZo3xNDkpdw6KOpyl7m5Ep02Njmz9sZsMzoC0Y6z57DTVHhkttj6OkTUKmh1jpLZ66F8gY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=129.92" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was a really shy child. I would say. That’s what I thought it was. I thought I was shy. I never wanted to draw any attention to myself. Um, I, I mean I had friends but I wouldn’t say I was terribly outgoing and, and I could never really put a label on it, but I would always compare myself to other people and find myself lacking in certain ways. Like, you know, they were always prettier than I was or smarter than I was or more interesting or whatever. So I always felt like I was not, um, that I was, I don’t want to say is good. That’s not really the right word. And I couldn’t really put a label on it for years until I dealt with it later on. But definitely a lot of things I didn’t choose to do, like sports and, and even though I had an interest in them, but I didn’t choose to do them because I didn’t want. I guess I didn’t want other people to judge me or find me lacking in areas. So I didn’t want to draw any attention to myself. I didn’t go to school dances or things like that. And I mean, like I said, I had friends that I would go hang out with. So it wasn’t like I didn’t have some sort of a social life, but if I was the person I am today, I would have probably done things much differently as a child, I think</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-nSkCR_tMV0ToLYmndtFFSZo3xNDkpdw6KOpyl7m5Ep02Njmz9sZsMzoC0Y6z57DTVHhkttj6OkTUKmh1jpLZ66F8gY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=212.27" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:32</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;that’s a really fascinating. Adoptees often talk about fear of rejection and things like that, but it sounds like you almost were preempting other people’s rejection by pushing yourself down.</p><p>Christine:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-nSkCR_tMV0ToLYmndtFFSZo3xNDkpdw6KOpyl7m5Ep02Njmz9sZsMzoC0Y6z57DTVHhkttj6OkTUKmh1jpLZ66F8gY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=227.74" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think so. I mean, looking back and having the perspective on it now. At the time I never really related it to being adopted. I didn’t associate the two. I didn’t really. I mean we didn’t even really discuss adoption in my house. Not that it was a secret because they had told us about it, but I don’t think it was necessarily encouraged to talk about and, and I don’t, I don’t recall any instances of me bringing it up and they and my parents squashing the conversation, but I just always had the sense that if I expressed any interest or questions or anything like that, that it might hurt their feelings and make them feel like they weren’t good parents or they weren’t enough.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-nSkCR_tMV0ToLYmndtFFSZo3xNDkpdw6KOpyl7m5Ep02Njmz9sZsMzoC0Y6z57DTVHhkttj6OkTUKmh1jpLZ66F8gY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=274.68" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Christie wishes their family had talked about adoption more, but she acknowledges that in the 1960s the prevailing wisdom was you could just transplant a baby to a new family with no repercussions. There was no need for open discussion therapy or transitional supports. christie said she didn’t want to hurt her parents with inquiries about adoption, so I wondered if she ever discussed it with her brother. They never did when they were young, but Christie did broach the topic with another child in her neighborhood who would openly discuss her own adoption in front of her mother. It was very different from Christie’s home, but even those open conversations away from her house didn’t make Christie feel like she could talk about it at home. She thinks she was in the fog as we adopt these, refer to it. She said she occasionally fantasized about what we’re union might look like for herself, but it wasn’t until she was an adult that her brother randomly, but possibly very intentionally open to the opportunity for christie to explore reunion.</p><p>Christine:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-nSkCR_tMV0ToLYmndtFFSZo3xNDkpdw6KOpyl7m5Ep02Njmz9sZsMzoC0Y6z57DTVHhkttj6OkTUKmh1jpLZ66F8gY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=336.78" rel="noopener...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christie was a shy child who wanted to participate in activities but held herself back from engaging. It wasn't until she was an adult that her adopted brother unexpectedly suggested Christie might want to search. That’s when their mother shared her adoption information. When she found her birth father, he openly acknowledged their relationship and explained that he and her birth mother would have been very young parents with no parents of their own. He introduced Christie to her birth mother, and the women took it slow, getting to know and trust one another. The biggest reunion surprise for Christie was realizing she wasn’t as well-adjusted about her adoption as she thought. Her reunions uncovered buried emotions that had plagued her since childhood, but she’s putting in the work to heal herself.</p><p>The blog post Christie references is:&nbsp;https://adultadopteesupport.blogspot.com/2014/01/am-i-blood-or-am-i-water.html</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Christine:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-nSkCR_tMV0ToLYmndtFFSZo3xNDkpdw6KOpyl7m5Ep02Njmz9sZsMzoC0Y6z57DTVHhkttj6OkTUKmh1jpLZ66F8gY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=4.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That was the essence of what I grew up with, this feeling, this and not anything that my parents put on me. It was me putting on myself and from such a young age, I don’t even recall it happening, that I have felt ashamed of being adopted, that I knew that I wasn’t worthy of being kept, you know, so I’ve done a lot of work and it’s really profoundly changed me as a person.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-nSkCR_tMV0ToLYmndtFFSZo3xNDkpdw6KOpyl7m5Ep02Njmz9sZsMzoC0Y6z57DTVHhkttj6OkTUKmh1jpLZ66F8gY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-nSkCR_tMV0ToLYmndtFFSZo3xNDkpdw6KOpyl7m5Ep02Njmz9sZsMzoC0Y6z57DTVHhkttj6OkTUKmh1jpLZ66F8gY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.19" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Christie. She called me from Rocklin, California, a suburb of Sacramento. christie tells the story of being a shy child who wanted to participate in activities, but she held herself back from engaging. It wasn’t until she was an adult were her adopted Brother unexpectedly suggested that Kristi might want to search that her mother shared her adoption information with her. When she found her birth father. He openly acknowledged their relation and explained to the complexities of their situation as young parents Long ago. He introduced Christie to her birth mother and the women took it slow getting to know and trust one another. This is Christie’s journey….</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-nSkCR_tMV0ToLYmndtFFSZo3xNDkpdw6KOpyl7m5Ep02Njmz9sZsMzoC0Y6z57DTVHhkttj6OkTUKmh1jpLZ66F8gY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=100.441" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:40</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;christie was born in the early 1960s in San Diego, California. Her adoptive parents took her home from the hospital when she was three days old. She always knew she was adopted, but her adoption was closed so her parents either didn’t know or never shared the details of for her adoption with her. Christie has a younger brother, also an adoptee, but they’re unrelated. They had a loving family where adoption was an accepted part of how things were. She talks about her demeanor as a child.</p><p>Christine:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-nSkCR_tMV0ToLYmndtFFSZo3xNDkpdw6KOpyl7m5Ep02Njmz9sZsMzoC0Y6z57DTVHhkttj6OkTUKmh1jpLZ66F8gY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=129.92" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was a really shy child. I would say. That’s what I thought it was. I thought I was shy. I never wanted to draw any attention to myself. Um, I, I mean I had friends but I wouldn’t say I was terribly outgoing and, and I could never really put a label on it, but I would always compare myself to other people and find myself lacking in certain ways. Like, you know, they were always prettier than I was or smarter than I was or more interesting or whatever. So I always felt like I was not, um, that I was, I don’t want to say is good. That’s not really the right word. And I couldn’t really put a label on it for years until I dealt with it later on. But definitely a lot of things I didn’t choose to do, like sports and, and even though I had an interest in them, but I didn’t choose to do them because I didn’t want. I guess I didn’t want other people to judge me or find me lacking in areas. So I didn’t want to draw any attention to myself. I didn’t go to school dances or things like that. And I mean, like I said, I had friends that I would go hang out with. So it wasn’t like I didn’t have some sort of a social life, but if I was the person I am today, I would have probably done things much differently as a child, I think</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-nSkCR_tMV0ToLYmndtFFSZo3xNDkpdw6KOpyl7m5Ep02Njmz9sZsMzoC0Y6z57DTVHhkttj6OkTUKmh1jpLZ66F8gY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=212.27" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:32</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;that’s a really fascinating. Adoptees often talk about fear of rejection and things like that, but it sounds like you almost were preempting other people’s rejection by pushing yourself down.</p><p>Christine:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-nSkCR_tMV0ToLYmndtFFSZo3xNDkpdw6KOpyl7m5Ep02Njmz9sZsMzoC0Y6z57DTVHhkttj6OkTUKmh1jpLZ66F8gY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=227.74" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think so. I mean, looking back and having the perspective on it now. At the time I never really related it to being adopted. I didn’t associate the two. I didn’t really. I mean we didn’t even really discuss adoption in my house. Not that it was a secret because they had told us about it, but I don’t think it was necessarily encouraged to talk about and, and I don’t, I don’t recall any instances of me bringing it up and they and my parents squashing the conversation, but I just always had the sense that if I expressed any interest or questions or anything like that, that it might hurt their feelings and make them feel like they weren’t good parents or they weren’t enough.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-nSkCR_tMV0ToLYmndtFFSZo3xNDkpdw6KOpyl7m5Ep02Njmz9sZsMzoC0Y6z57DTVHhkttj6OkTUKmh1jpLZ66F8gY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=274.68" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Christie wishes their family had talked about adoption more, but she acknowledges that in the 1960s the prevailing wisdom was you could just transplant a baby to a new family with no repercussions. There was no need for open discussion therapy or transitional supports. christie said she didn’t want to hurt her parents with inquiries about adoption, so I wondered if she ever discussed it with her brother. They never did when they were young, but Christie did broach the topic with another child in her neighborhood who would openly discuss her own adoption in front of her mother. It was very different from Christie’s home, but even those open conversations away from her house didn’t make Christie feel like she could talk about it at home. She thinks she was in the fog as we adopt these, refer to it. She said she occasionally fantasized about what we’re union might look like for herself, but it wasn’t until she was an adult that her brother randomly, but possibly very intentionally open to the opportunity for christie to explore reunion.</p><p>Christine:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-nSkCR_tMV0ToLYmndtFFSZo3xNDkpdw6KOpyl7m5Ep02Njmz9sZsMzoC0Y6z57DTVHhkttj6OkTUKmh1jpLZ66F8gY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=336.78" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Maybe 25 years ago, I was with my parents and my brother and we were. I remember we were having dinner somewhere. We’re out to dinner and my brother brought up the conversation right in front of my parents and he asked me if I’d ever considered searching and I remember like just shocked that he would talk about it in front of our parents and kind of looking at them for their reactions and then expressing to him that, you know, that I kind of would be interested in finding out something when it seemed like they weren’t gonna be upset or whatever. So. So we had had this little conversation at dinner and then a couple of weeks later I received from my mother had sent me copies of the adoption paperwork that she had. And so I sort of took that as her blessing to do some searching.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-nSkCR_tMV0ToLYmndtFFSZo3xNDkpdw6KOpyl7m5Ep02Njmz9sZsMzoC0Y6z57DTVHhkttj6OkTUKmh1jpLZ66F8gY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=392.69" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:32</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Her mother just sent the documents out of the blue. After that dinner conversation with no followup discussion. The package was filled with legal documents but not much useful information except for one document.</p><p>Christine:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-nSkCR_tMV0ToLYmndtFFSZo3xNDkpdw6KOpyl7m5Ep02Njmz9sZsMzoC0Y6z57DTVHhkttj6OkTUKmh1jpLZ66F8gY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=404.87" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:44</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And it was a consent for medical care and it was signed by my biological mother and it had her name typed and she had signed it. And it identified her as my mother, so that’s the first time I actually saw her name and I saw in her signature, I mean to look at her signature. It just felt like such a personal thing of her is to see for the first time and and then there was a a witness name on it too, and it said witness and then it was a man’s name and signature and I kind of surmised that that could be my biological father, but it didn’t identify him that way.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-nSkCR_tMV0ToLYmndtFFSZo3xNDkpdw6KOpyl7m5Ep02Njmz9sZsMzoC0Y6z57DTVHhkttj6OkTUKmh1jpLZ66F8gY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=443.7" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:23</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Kristi didn’t take any action with her package of information for years. The Internet information age hadn’t exploded yet, so she would just pull the documents out and review them from time to time. She got an application form for a search group she had heard about, but she never had the courage to fill it out. christie said the classic internal monologue about not wanting to disrupt her biological parents lives in fear of rejection. We’re part of her process. She finally took a concrete step forward in 2006. Her son who was in junior high school had one of those family tree projects we adopt these struggle with, but his teacher asked the students to do their project using an ancestry.com two week free trial.</p><p>Christine:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-nSkCR_tMV0ToLYmndtFFSZo3xNDkpdw6KOpyl7m5Ep02Njmz9sZsMzoC0Y6z57DTVHhkttj6OkTUKmh1jpLZ66F8gY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=486.98" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:06</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;As I was helping him with his project, I thought, well, you know, why not use this to type in their names and take a look? So I did, I typed in, I pulled out the paperwork again and looked at the paper with their names on it and typed it in to ancestry and found a record that they got married, um, a couple of years after I was born. So I was probably around two or three, I want to say, um, when the two name, when my mother and that witness named got married. So that made me feel even stronger, stronger that, that could have been my biological father. He really made me feel like, okay, you know, they, they had a relationship, you know, there probably was some love there, you know, and it kind of made me feel more, you know, more comfortable with the idea of my conception.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-nSkCR_tMV0ToLYmndtFFSZo3xNDkpdw6KOpyl7m5Ep02Njmz9sZsMzoC0Y6z57DTVHhkttj6OkTUKmh1jpLZ66F8gY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=542.07" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Christie trace the people as far as she could without definitive information about their identities. All she could see was that they were very young when they were married and unfortunately another record revealed they divorced few years later. She turned to the open Internet where she found an address matching her mother’s name. christie paused and sat with the address. She questioned whether that address could be correct, whether she should send a letter out of the blue and if she might be outing her birth mother, if her birth was a secret. Fear of rejection prevented Christie from taking any other steps. Years later in 2010, she was at home alone one Friday afternoon watching a TV program where a man takes on the task of reuniting people. Christie found herself wishing that man was calling her to say someone was looking for her to complete a reunion. She pulled out her paperwork again and researched San Diego where she was born and found the man’s name.</p><p>Christine:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-nSkCR_tMV0ToLYmndtFFSZo3xNDkpdw6KOpyl7m5Ep02Njmz9sZsMzoC0Y6z57DTVHhkttj6OkTUKmh1jpLZ66F8gY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=599.96" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:59</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She’s a professor at, at a university in San Diego and it’s brought up his page and it had a picture of him and I looked at the picture and I thought, well they don’t see an obvious resemblance, but he looks to be about the right age and he doesn’t not look like me. And so I kinda sat there with it for about 45 minutes and looked at it and there was an email address there, but it was a professional email address. So I thought well, should I send an email? Could create problems for, I don’t know. And finally I just thought, you know, if I don’t do it, you know, I was, I was about 47 at the time and you know, so that meant he would have probably been in his sixties. I thought, you know, we’re both getting older. If I don’t do it, they’re, they’re just more likely by the time I do it for something to have happened for them to have passed away or whatever. So I finally just went ahead and scratched out a quick email</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-nSkCR_tMV0ToLYmndtFFSZo3xNDkpdw6KOpyl7m5Ep02Njmz9sZsMzoC0Y6z57DTVHhkttj6OkTUKmh1jpLZ66F8gY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=665.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>11:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;she described who She was explained that she was looking for biological parents and that the man’s name came up as a potential match. She said if he was interested he could email her back. She went about the rest of her afternoon, not really expecting an answer to come back Very soon.</p><p>Christine:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-nSkCR_tMV0ToLYmndtFFSZo3xNDkpdw6KOpyl7m5Ep02Njmz9sZsMzoC0Y6z57DTVHhkttj6OkTUKmh1jpLZ66F8gY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=681.67" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>11:21</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;later that night I happened to open up my computer and there was an email back from him and in the subject line he had written, yes, I am your father. And I know it was stunned. I was and I, you know, my husband was sitting over in another chair and all of a sudden I was like, oh my God, Oh my God. And I hadn’t even told him what I had done because I just didn’t expect the response soon, so I hadn’t even really thought to tell him what they’d done and it was so crazy that all of a sudden I decided to it and then there he is waiting for it.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-nSkCR_tMV0ToLYmndtFFSZo3xNDkpdw6KOpyl7m5Ep02Njmz9sZsMzoC0Y6z57DTVHhkttj6OkTUKmh1jpLZ66F8gY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=716.12" rel="noopener noreferrer"...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/067-part-of-the-gift-has-been-the-work-ive-done-on-myself]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2204</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2024 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/1f14cff4-0ed6-4c26-93fd-adba7275789e/067-part-of-the-gift-has-been-the-work-ive-done-on-myself-final.mp3" length="39401017" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>41:03</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>3</itunes:season><itunes:episode>67</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>67</podcast:episode><podcast:season>3</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Christie was a shy child who wanted to participate in activities but held herself back from engaging. It wasn’t until she was an adult when her adopted brother unexpectedly suggested that Christie might want to search that their mother shared her adoption information. When she found her birth father, he openly acknowledged their relation and explained he and…</itunes:summary><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/aa7c12af-be5a-4de8-836a-1615d020007f/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>225 - Damon Davis, Adoption: The Making of Me</title><itunes:title>225 - Damon Davis, Adoption: The Making of Me</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In collaboration with my friends, Louise Brown and Sarah Reinhardt I'm bringing you a conversation we had a while back when I appeared on their show "Adoption, The Making of Me. </p><p>Sarah and Louise are both adoptees with unique stories of their own. These two friends and former business partners Launched adoption, the making of me to open up more frank, honest conversations about adoption with a unique twist. In each episode of their podcast, they recap a chapter of a book that focuses on adoption. </p><p>Today, I'm sharing with you my story from season one, episode 10 of ATMOM.  </p><p><a href="https://www.adoptionthemakingofme.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Adoption: The Making of Me</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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These two friends and former business partners Launched adoption, the making of me to open up more frank, honest conversations about adoption with a unique twist. In each episode of their podcast, they recap a chapter of a book that focuses on adoption. </p><p>Today, I'm sharing with you my story from season one, episode 10 of ATMOM.  </p><p><a href="https://www.adoptionthemakingofme.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Adoption: The Making of Me</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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In elementary school she discovered her name change documents under her parents bed which added to her desire to search for her birth family. </p><p>When Deanna found her birth mother, she cried repeatedly listening to the woman's voice and  when her husband found her she told him, 'We have to go to her now'. </p><p>Unfortunately, her birth mother kept her vow of taking Deanna's birth father's name to the grave. But Deanna had her personal search network, her own patience and drive and God to thank for finding Mr. Greek. </p><p>This is Deanna's journey.</p><p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/10/us/florence-fisher-dead.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Florence Fisher, Advocate for Opening Adoption Records, Dies at 95</em></a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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In elementary school she discovered her name change documents under her parents bed which added to her desire to search for her birth family. </p><p>When Deanna found her birth mother, she cried repeatedly listening to the woman's voice and  when her husband found her she told him, 'We have to go to her now'. </p><p>Unfortunately, her birth mother kept her vow of taking Deanna's birth father's name to the grave. But Deanna had her personal search network, her own patience and drive and God to thank for finding Mr. Greek. </p><p>This is Deanna's journey.</p><p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/10/us/florence-fisher-dead.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Florence Fisher, Advocate for Opening Adoption Records, Dies at 95</em></a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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When Margaret Jane asked her mother if she was adopted it was an emotional revelation both for her adoptive parents and for MJ who learned her community already knew she was adopted. </p><p>Incredibly, since her earliest days, MJ has been connected to her husband, her in-laws, and unbelievably her birth mother too -- but she didn't even know it. </p><p>MJ shares her challenges with everyone knowing that she was adopted when she did not juxtaposed against the truly positive experience of everyone coming together in loving, accepting ways to reform their unique family. </p><p>This is Margaret Jane's journey.  </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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When Margaret Jane asked her mother if she was adopted it was an emotional revelation both for her adoptive parents and for MJ who learned her community already knew she was adopted. </p><p>Incredibly, since her earliest days, MJ has been connected to her husband, her in-laws, and unbelievably her birth mother too -- but she didn't even know it. </p><p>MJ shares her challenges with everyone knowing that she was adopted when she did not juxtaposed against the truly positive experience of everyone coming together in loving, accepting ways to reform their unique family. </p><p>This is Margaret Jane's journey.  </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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When he asked about himself as a baby, his parents broke down. His adoption from Chile happened during a tumultuous time when their government supported the adoption of its own children, but the source of John separation from his family was much closer to home. </p><p>In reunion John made the long journey to be face-to-face with his biological parents, see his homeland and reconnect with his birth family with what he believes is support from his adoptive parents from above. </p><p>This is John's journey.</p><p><a href="https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/06/28/chile-stolen-children-adoptions/70359250007/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Chile's Stolen Children</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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When he asked about himself as a baby, his parents broke down. His adoption from Chile happened during a tumultuous time when their government supported the adoption of its own children, but the source of John separation from his family was much closer to home. </p><p>In reunion John made the long journey to be face-to-face with his biological parents, see his homeland and reconnect with his birth family with what he believes is support from his adoptive parents from above. </p><p>This is John's journey.</p><p><a href="https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/06/28/chile-stolen-children-adoptions/70359250007/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Chile's Stolen Children</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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When Tracy found her birth family, she was shocked to see how much she resembled her sister among other huge family surprises. After reunion, Tracy's adoptive mother was not able to accept what she perceived as Tracy's betrayal once she found her birth parents. </p><p>But Tracy says she has no regrets about any part of her search and reunion. This is Tracy's journey  </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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When Tracy found her birth family, she was shocked to see how much she resembled her sister among other huge family surprises. After reunion, Tracy's adoptive mother was not able to accept what she perceived as Tracy's betrayal once she found her birth parents. </p><p>But Tracy says she has no regrets about any part of her search and reunion. This is Tracy's journey  </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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With his adopted brothers, help Mike located his birth family, was well received on his paternal side, but was blocked out by a wall of defense by his birth mother. </p><p>Thankfully Mike approached the reunion process with no expectations and lots of patience. He held out hope that one day she would change her mind about meeting him. </p><p>This is Mike's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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With his adopted brothers, help Mike located his birth family, was well received on his paternal side, but was blocked out by a wall of defense by his birth mother. </p><p>Thankfully Mike approached the reunion process with no expectations and lots of patience. He held out hope that one day she would change her mind about meeting him. </p><p>This is Mike's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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When she found her birth mother, Barbara felt an immediate connection, struggled to get answers about her birth father, and uncovered lies about her origin story after the woman passed away. </p><p>DNA helped Barbara locate her birth father, But the man refuses to admit he may have been with her mother. So Barbara is left feeling lied to and disconnected from family members from every corner of her life. </p><p>This is Barbara's journey </p><p><u style="font-size: 1.125rem;">Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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When she found her birth mother, Barbara felt an immediate connection, struggled to get answers about her birth father, and uncovered lies about her origin story after the woman passed away. </p><p>DNA helped Barbara locate her birth father, But the man refuses to admit he may have been with her mother. So Barbara is left feeling lied to and disconnected from family members from every corner of her life. </p><p>This is Barbara's journey </p><p><u style="font-size: 1.125rem;">Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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But he didn't do anything with the information for four decades while he lived a dream playing the game of basketball as a collegiate star, professional player, and international coach. </p><p>On his search John found the man who transacted his adoption, heard stories of another man like himself who had trekked deep into Mexico to find his roots, and finally reached the inner calm that comes with knowing where he is actually from and who his people are. </p><p>This is John's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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But he didn't do anything with the information for four decades while he lived a dream playing the game of basketball as a collegiate star, professional player, and international coach. </p><p>On his search John found the man who transacted his adoption, heard stories of another man like himself who had trekked deep into Mexico to find his roots, and finally reached the inner calm that comes with knowing where he is actually from and who his people are. </p><p>This is John's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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When she found her birth mother, she was wounded by the woman's fear reaction to having been found after two decades apart.  </p><p>Becky lived with her adoption reunion rejection trauma for years until she found the adoptee community, gained clarity on her birth mother's probable trauma, then finally reached out to give the woman a second chance  to release the pressure of her secret. </p><p>Finding her birth father gave Becky a sense of taking her power back as she figured out her conception story, located the man at a live event,  and was welcomed into his heart. </p><p>This is becky's journey</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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When she found her birth mother, she was wounded by the woman's fear reaction to having been found after two decades apart.  </p><p>Becky lived with her adoption reunion rejection trauma for years until she found the adoptee community, gained clarity on her birth mother's probable trauma, then finally reached out to give the woman a second chance  to release the pressure of her secret. </p><p>Finding her birth father gave Becky a sense of taking her power back as she figured out her conception story, located the man at a live event,  and was welcomed into his heart. </p><p>This is becky's journey</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/214-]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">47abacff-58df-4cc2-a80a-c216575f40bb</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2023 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/7129b48f-bb5f-43ba-a60d-bdcc0b4e08fe/214-Letting-Go-Of-Old-Resentment-FINAL.mp3" length="97442676" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:07:40</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>13</itunes:season><itunes:episode>214</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>214</podcast:episode><podcast:season>13</podcast:season></item><item><title>213 - Why Lie About A Human Being?</title><itunes:title>213 - Why Lie About A Human Being?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Linda, who called me from St. Petersburg, Florida, said that when her adoptive mother found herself single parenting her two daughters, they moved to the south where her family shunned the children for being adopted. </p><p>In reunion with her birth mother, Linda found a woman who had a tough story to share about her conception, who was seemingly afraid of the truth coming out to her family, and who went to extreme criminal lengths to try to make Linda lose custody of her own daughter. </p><p>Through it all Linda stands strong on the firm base her adoptive mother gave her. </p><p>This is Linda's journey.</p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/213-]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">22f6a8fb-aaf8-4807-b80a-05d9b1e37a3f</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2023 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/2d5455f7-91f8-49d1-8b91-dbf071c29f6c/213-Why-Lie-About-A-Human-Being-FINAL.mp3" length="100295956" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:09:39</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>13</itunes:season><itunes:episode>213</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>213</podcast:episode><podcast:season>13</podcast:season></item><item><title>212 - Forbidden Roots</title><itunes:title>212 - Forbidden Roots</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Fred called me from outside Milwaukee, Wisconsin, near lake Michigan. Fred grew up an only child loved and supported by his parents, but sometimes feeling out of place and misdirected by them when he tried to pursue some of his interests. </p><p>As an adult, a slip of the tongue of one of his relatives revealed something he had never suspected. That he was adopted. </p><p>In reunion with his birth mother, Fred found a woman so deeply traumatized  that she wanted to maintain her secrets after her death. </p><p>Fred is now on a quest to remove adoption stigma while fighting for open records in adoption. </p><p>This is Fred's journey.</p><p>This is Fred's Book: <a href="https://a.co/d/2sD00Z4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forbidden Roots</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Fred grew up an only child loved and supported by his parents, but sometimes feeling out of place and misdirected by them when he tried to pursue some of his interests. </p><p>As an adult, a slip of the tongue of one of his relatives revealed something he had never suspected. That he was adopted. </p><p>In reunion with his birth mother, Fred found a woman so deeply traumatized  that she wanted to maintain her secrets after her death. </p><p>Fred is now on a quest to remove adoption stigma while fighting for open records in adoption. </p><p>This is Fred's journey.</p><p>This is Fred's Book: <a href="https://a.co/d/2sD00Z4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Forbidden Roots</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Kamina said she was always confused about why she didn't look like her adoptive family and no one would ever admit she was adopted. </p><p>Turmoil between her adoptive parents led both of them to alcoholism, poor judgment, and an awful love triangle that got Kamina kicked out of her home at a tender age. </p><p>After years on the street, then time in the military Kamina decided part of ending her years of self-sabotage was to finally face the truth about her adoption she seemed to be running from. </p><p>This is Kamina's journey. </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Kamina said she was always confused about why she didn't look like her adoptive family and no one would ever admit she was adopted. </p><p>Turmoil between her adoptive parents led both of them to alcoholism, poor judgment, and an awful love triangle that got Kamina kicked out of her home at a tender age. </p><p>After years on the street, then time in the military Kamina decided part of ending her years of self-sabotage was to finally face the truth about her adoption she seemed to be running from. </p><p>This is Kamina's journey. </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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But just because she was found didn't mean the woman wanted to talk. </p><p>When her birth mother's reluctance to meet Trish softened, they formed a relationship that lasted many years until suddenly it was over. Trish has tried to put the adoption reunion rejection behind her. </p><p>She focuses more on trying to build a relationship with her birth father and hopes to put her training as an adoption competent therapist to use for other adoptees. </p><p>This is Trisha's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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But just because she was found didn't mean the woman wanted to talk. </p><p>When her birth mother's reluctance to meet Trish softened, they formed a relationship that lasted many years until suddenly it was over. Trish has tried to put the adoption reunion rejection behind her. </p><p>She focuses more on trying to build a relationship with her birth father and hopes to put her training as an adoption competent therapist to use for other adoptees. </p><p>This is Trisha's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Podcast</a>.</p><p>Nina (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=3.68" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:03</a>):</p><p>You know, my relationship with my birth mother is nonexistent anymore. I kind of hate calling her birth mother. I usually call her incubator because, you know, she did, that's all she did for me. That's all she's ever done for me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=22.79" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:22</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=34.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:34</a>):</p><p>This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis. And my guest today asked that I maintain her anonymity. So I'll refer to her as Nina. She shared her story growing up with dedicated parents who embraced her challenges and gave her the foundational support. She needed. Her birth father found her through a reunification registry. And while he has his own struggles, he's a very dear friend to Nina. However, her birth mother started down the path of secondary rejection. Won't take responsibility for not getting Nina prenatal care and is overzealous with her dedication to her religion. All of which has driven a wedge between Nina and the woman. This is Nina's journey life for Nina was idyllic as an adoptee. She was told she was adopted and her adopted parents never kept it. A secret. Nina told me she still has a Sesame street book called Susan and Gordon adopt a baby in which big bird asks the couple questions about adoption and what it means. She likened her life to the book because she would ask questions. They would be answered and life would go on. Everything was just fine until Nina was 12 years old,</p><p>Nina (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=117.5" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:57</a>):</p><p>But I know that they did start taking me to the therapist after a bit, because I started to having these nightmares that, um, I was being abducted by my birth parents in, um, in a white van. And, uh, you know, one of those, uh, one of those creepy white vans we all talk about. So, you know, the windowless white van came and took me. So, um, I don't where that trope came into my mind at eight years old, but it did everything. Everything was completely idyllic until my adoptive father died. Um, when I was 12, suddenly from a heart attack</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=158.66" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:38</a>):</p><p>Quickly, before you get to the, to your father, did the, did the therapy help?</p><p>Nina (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=165.14" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:45</a>):</p><p>Um, you know, the therapy was quite interesting because it did help. I still maintain that therapist, even though she's a child therapist, you know, if I'm in, if I'm in town, I will still go and see her. Um, so because there is such a long relationship there that she really does understand me. I think she, she was most fascinated by the fact that, you know, I had forecasted my dad's death when I was like eight. Well, she did those picture things. And she said, you know, tell me, tell me something. And she's drawing pictures that she had little, you know, stuffed animals in there. And I drew a picture apparently of my dad lying on the ground. And she said, what's that? And she's, I said, well, that's dad. And she said, why is he on the ground? And I said, he's had a heart attack and he's dead.</p><p>Nina (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=218.41" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:38</a>):</p><p>So, um, I don't know, maybe at that point I became the creepy sixth sense child or something, but, um, anyway, I don't know, um, take it as you like, but I guess they tend to look at it as, um, as, you know, having a closeness to, to him and, you know, being able to see that. But, um, he did, he had a heart attack and he died and then it did make things, it made things so, so very different. I don't want to say hard, but it made things really rather different with my relationship with my mom, because I am disabled primarily because of my birth mother's actions. My adopted mom became that helicopter parent you always hear about, but it was more like, you know, be careful, I don't think you can do this because you know, you've got some disabilities. Whereas my dad was just kind of like, Oh, let her play in the dirt. It's good for her. You know? Um, so he was definitely that type of parent and, um, which, which I thought was good. And I think that's probably the way all parents, because, you know, it's like, well, you know, you have issues that, Hey, um, you know, you're either gonna breathe. They're gonna like, mollycoddle you, or, you know, you're going to get through this, um, and get through this with some life skills. So</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=304.65" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:04</a>):</p><p>Nina said she kind of resisted her adopted mother's style of parenting, but by the same token, her adopted mother was pretty busy running the family business and maintaining their house. So Nina didn't see her much during that time. She didn't feel unloved. She had the feeling that her adopted mom would spend time with her, after everything was done. She says her mom has always been like that. And it's a repeated theme of her life to this day. She says her mom just likes to work. Even at Christmas time when her adopted mother comes over, she cleans the floors after Nina and her husband have already done so. Nina says her adopted mother. Does those things from a place of caring?</p><p>Nina (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=348.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:48</a>):</p><p>Yes, exactly. I do see it all as caring and, you know, I'm very glad that I have somebody who, who is like that.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=356.99" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:56</a>):</p><p>That's really cool. even if it's challenging. I know what you mean. There's there's folks around you that they just, they care so much in the way that they do things that it can be challenging to have them around all the time because of that level or that type of character</p><p>Nina (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=374.74" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:14</a>):</p><p>It is. But, you know, having been sick this whole time, it's like, you know, I, I do, I need her around. Um, and I don't, you know, I think my husband could provide some of that care, but, you know, because, because he has a set job, you know, whereas, you know, um, my mother owns her own business, you know, and so she could kind of make her own hours. So then it's like, you know, um, I do, I'm better off being taken care of by her</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=406.57" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:46</a>):</p><p>Nina shared that her adopted father was white. He was in his fifties when they adopted Nina, his brother, her uncle took a DNA test that basically said they were Northern European with some Northern African mixed in that was a shock for the uncle who Nina says was slightly racist, but her father was probably indifferent to it all in the 1960s. He marched as a white ally with blacks fighting for civil rights, even going back to his youth, he would have parties at his home on the farm for the Mexican farm hands of his parents, that...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guest asked that I maintain her anonymity, so I’ll refer to her as Nina.&nbsp;She shared her story growing up with dedicated parents who embraced her challenges and gave her the foundational support she needed.&nbsp;Her birth father found her through a reunification registry and while he has his own struggles, he’s a very dear friend to Nina.&nbsp;However, her birth mother started down the path of secondary rejection, won’t take responsibility&nbsp;for not getting Nina pre-natal care, and is overzealous with her dedication to her religion, driving a&nbsp;wedge between Nina and the woman.&nbsp;This is Nina’s journey.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/105-i-call-her-incubator/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">105 – I Call Her Incubator</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Nina (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=3.68" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:03</a>):</p><p>You know, my relationship with my birth mother is nonexistent anymore. I kind of hate calling her birth mother. I usually call her incubator because, you know, she did, that's all she did for me. That's all she's ever done for me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=22.79" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:22</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=34.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:34</a>):</p><p>This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis. And my guest today asked that I maintain her anonymity. So I'll refer to her as Nina. She shared her story growing up with dedicated parents who embraced her challenges and gave her the foundational support. She needed. Her birth father found her through a reunification registry. And while he has his own struggles, he's a very dear friend to Nina. However, her birth mother started down the path of secondary rejection. Won't take responsibility for not getting Nina prenatal care and is overzealous with her dedication to her religion. All of which has driven a wedge between Nina and the woman. This is Nina's journey life for Nina was idyllic as an adoptee. She was told she was adopted and her adopted parents never kept it. A secret. Nina told me she still has a Sesame street book called Susan and Gordon adopt a baby in which big bird asks the couple questions about adoption and what it means. She likened her life to the book because she would ask questions. They would be answered and life would go on. Everything was just fine until Nina was 12 years old,</p><p>Nina (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=117.5" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:57</a>):</p><p>But I know that they did start taking me to the therapist after a bit, because I started to having these nightmares that, um, I was being abducted by my birth parents in, um, in a white van. And, uh, you know, one of those, uh, one of those creepy white vans we all talk about. So, you know, the windowless white van came and took me. So, um, I don't where that trope came into my mind at eight years old, but it did everything. Everything was completely idyllic until my adoptive father died. Um, when I was 12, suddenly from a heart attack</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=158.66" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:38</a>):</p><p>Quickly, before you get to the, to your father, did the, did the therapy help?</p><p>Nina (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=165.14" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:45</a>):</p><p>Um, you know, the therapy was quite interesting because it did help. I still maintain that therapist, even though she's a child therapist, you know, if I'm in, if I'm in town, I will still go and see her. Um, so because there is such a long relationship there that she really does understand me. I think she, she was most fascinated by the fact that, you know, I had forecasted my dad's death when I was like eight. Well, she did those picture things. And she said, you know, tell me, tell me something. And she's drawing pictures that she had little, you know, stuffed animals in there. And I drew a picture apparently of my dad lying on the ground. And she said, what's that? And she's, I said, well, that's dad. And she said, why is he on the ground? And I said, he's had a heart attack and he's dead.</p><p>Nina (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=218.41" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:38</a>):</p><p>So, um, I don't know, maybe at that point I became the creepy sixth sense child or something, but, um, anyway, I don't know, um, take it as you like, but I guess they tend to look at it as, um, as, you know, having a closeness to, to him and, you know, being able to see that. But, um, he did, he had a heart attack and he died and then it did make things, it made things so, so very different. I don't want to say hard, but it made things really rather different with my relationship with my mom, because I am disabled primarily because of my birth mother's actions. My adopted mom became that helicopter parent you always hear about, but it was more like, you know, be careful, I don't think you can do this because you know, you've got some disabilities. Whereas my dad was just kind of like, Oh, let her play in the dirt. It's good for her. You know? Um, so he was definitely that type of parent and, um, which, which I thought was good. And I think that's probably the way all parents, because, you know, it's like, well, you know, you have issues that, Hey, um, you know, you're either gonna breathe. They're gonna like, mollycoddle you, or, you know, you're going to get through this, um, and get through this with some life skills. So</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=304.65" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:04</a>):</p><p>Nina said she kind of resisted her adopted mother's style of parenting, but by the same token, her adopted mother was pretty busy running the family business and maintaining their house. So Nina didn't see her much during that time. She didn't feel unloved. She had the feeling that her adopted mom would spend time with her, after everything was done. She says her mom has always been like that. And it's a repeated theme of her life to this day. She says her mom just likes to work. Even at Christmas time when her adopted mother comes over, she cleans the floors after Nina and her husband have already done so. Nina says her adopted mother. Does those things from a place of caring?</p><p>Nina (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=348.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:48</a>):</p><p>Yes, exactly. I do see it all as caring and, you know, I'm very glad that I have somebody who, who is like that.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=356.99" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:56</a>):</p><p>That's really cool. even if it's challenging. I know what you mean. There's there's folks around you that they just, they care so much in the way that they do things that it can be challenging to have them around all the time because of that level or that type of character</p><p>Nina (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=374.74" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:14</a>):</p><p>It is. But, you know, having been sick this whole time, it's like, you know, I, I do, I need her around. Um, and I don't, you know, I think my husband could provide some of that care, but, you know, because, because he has a set job, you know, whereas, you know, um, my mother owns her own business, you know, and so she could kind of make her own hours. So then it's like, you know, um, I do, I'm better off being taken care of by her</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=406.57" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:46</a>):</p><p>Nina shared that her adopted father was white. He was in his fifties when they adopted Nina, his brother, her uncle took a DNA test that basically said they were Northern European with some Northern African mixed in that was a shock for the uncle who Nina says was slightly racist, but her father was probably indifferent to it all in the 1960s. He marched as a white ally with blacks fighting for civil rights, even going back to his youth, he would have parties at his home on the farm for the Mexican farm hands of his parents, that kind of behavior incensed, his mother Nina's grandmother, who was also very racist,</p><p>Nina (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=448.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:28</a>):</p><p>Incredibly racist. And so he actually, I don't know what happened, but he, he became the opposite of that. And, you know, something clicked in his head and, uh, and unlike his brothers and sisters, he just, he became very, very committed to the opposite cause to the cause of, you know, unification of everyone, you know, race was, was there, but it was mostly a social construct that we have imposed upon ourselves. Um, but, uh, so the, um,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=482.38" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:02</a>):</p><p>How about your mom, what is her, her racial or ethnic background?</p><p>Nina (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=486.43" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:06</a>):</p><p>Um, she, she was, that's interesting because it's like almost, almost the opposite cause she grew up in a little town and um, basically she and her family were like the only Brown people, but you know, is the funny part about, you know, people who are racist is they're, they're so dumb. And so that, you know, they don't even seek to see, you know, where you're from, you know, so she, she and her family got called the N word all the time, but they were half Polish and half Lebanese. Um, so, you know, that's a very interesting pair to have. Um, as she admits and says to other people who say, wow, that's a really interesting combination. You know, she said, well, they were both Catholics. So that's the only way that worked out.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=534.87" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:54</a>):</p><p>Nina says she really resembles her adopted mother, such that whenever she was with her father who was a bit older, he was often seen as her grandfather, which upset her. She's a little bit lighter in complexion than her mother. But if you saw them together as a family unit, you could easily make the leap that the couple shared biology with their daughter recounting what led up to her search for her birth family. Nina said, she asked more often about her birth mother, nearly never about her birth father. Her questions started at an early age arising around the time her therapy began.</p><p>Nina (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=570.86" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:30</a>):</p><p>Then it was, you know, it was all kind of like, well, you know, when, when you're ready to go in and try to, you know, search for her, we'll help you, you know, but then they put in the caveat of, but you have to remember that she, she may have, you know, a different life and not want to be found. And so, uh, and they, they did, they always gave me the caveat of, of, you know, this may be a whole different, you know, situation for her. And yeah, I get that in my brain, by the same token, it popped up every once in a while then I thought, Oh, I wonder my shit. And then it thought, and then I kind of thought a little bit more about it and um, really, really gave it some, some hard thinking. It came down to, I wanted to see somebody who looked like me and I think that's, you know, that's kind of an old, an old trope there in itself, but it's true. I think, yeah, that's the thing about stereotypes is unfortunately they're stereotypes because they're, they're true. And it wasn't enough that my mother sort of looks like me. Um, you know, it was, it was something else. Cause they said they met her briefly.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=647.21" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:47</a>):</p><p>Did they describe to you at all what the circumstances were for them meeting her?</p><p>Nina (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=653.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:53</a>):</p><p>Yeah, it was, it was fully described to me because I was a private adoption. So, you know, it was very, it was all very, um, I mean it is a private, but it was all very open for a little bit. They just, they, they said that they had gone in there right after she had delivered and they were, they were kind of, I guess the doctors were working on me per se and uh, you know, then they got to go see her. And, uh, before they saw me and then they, they said that she, uh, they said that she looked like me and, uh, that was pretty much about it. That's pretty much all, both of them remembered.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=697.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:37</a>):</p><p>Nina said she knew the doctor and the nurse who delivered her and they both recalled her birth mother at the time of her delivery. They said her birth mother looked very young. She seemed very scared. And they said there were complications from not really getting any prenatal care.</p><p>Nina (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=714.49" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:54</a>):</p><p>He said, I was way I was in the oven way too long. I was the over cooked bun. That's where all my disabilities came from. It's kind of one of those spectrum things of you need to be born right in the middle because there's being born way too early, which causes complications and being born way too late, which causes complications.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=732.96" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:12</a>):</p><p>So can you give me a timeframe, like how much longer were, do you know how many weeks you were born?</p><p>Nina (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=740.31" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:20</a>):</p><p>Um, I don't know, but he just, he, he told me, um, and it's always been told to me by medical professionals because it's just on my chart since forever that, you know, I was born too late. Um, and that was just going to cause some complications. But you know, my parents didn't really care. They were really quite desperate for a child and they did not care whether I was a boy or a girl, or if I came out with, you know, three feet, um, they, they were going to take me home full stop.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=772.56" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:52</a>):</p><p>The delivery doctor said Nina was going to need some help because to use her words, the bun in the oven might come out larger if you leave it in longer, but you're also likely to burn it. But Nina's adopted parents never told her the reason why she struggled with physical disabilities, seeing that she was intellectually strong, they made the decision to keep the fact that she was in gestation too long to themselves in their estimation. They could help her overcome her physical limitations and difficulties. Nina says she's had trouble walking has decreased stamina and has a weakened immune system.</p><p>Nina (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=808.86" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:28</a>):</p><p>And then also just being susceptible to pretty much anything that goes is like, there's a cold going on. I'm going to catch it. It's like I should have been a goalkeeper for soccer because anything comes along and I catch it.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=824.22" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:44</a>):</p><p>She told me her physical limitations played out weirdly in her academics. As the school staff seemed to make assumptions about her intellectual limitations and put her in classes beneath her capabilities. She remembers one time her father had to go into the principal's office to have a confrontation about putting his daughter on the right curricular path. Anyway, Nina search was also partially catalyzed a few years ago because her health was suffering so much that she really felt she needed to find her birth mother medical necessity compounded with the still present desire to find someone who looked like herself drove her forward.</p><p>Nina (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RKVpngIHvWzmSOWLebwZoeDmbGa_2RCMOqNZjkQGB7V_YjvULzE9H_ADxsaU7VFbnfqJXUntiugF1c6UMbaf20wMtlA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=865.29" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">14:25</a>):</p><p>And it was interesting because whereas, you]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/105-i-call-her-incubator]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2585</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2023 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/65031c7a-e8df-4793-8cea-9cf37064510d/105-i-call-her-incubator-final.mp3" length="66876348" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>46:26</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>5</itunes:season><itunes:episode>105</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>105</podcast:episode><podcast:season>5</podcast:season><itunes:summary>My guest asked that I maintain her anonymity, so I’ll refer to her as Nina. She shared her story growing up with dedicated parents who embraced her challenges and gave her the foundational support she needed. Her birth father found her through a reunification registry and while he has his own struggles, he’s a very dear friend…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>090 – It’s Not Your Fault, I Made It Through</title><itunes:title>090 – It’s Not Your Fault, I Made It Through</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Lori was adopted&nbsp;after her biological mother lived with her adoptive parents, desperately trying to escape the tyranny of her abusive husband. The&nbsp;abuse her birth mother suffered would be a recurring theme in her own life when her mother’s drinking got worse. Lorie tells the story of growing up reminded of the privilege she lived with but wanting only to be herself, not keep up appearances for her mother.&nbsp;When she found her birth mother, she was able to share her own sons with their new grandmother, a woman who missed out Lori’s youth.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a></p><p>Lori:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=0.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;He had actually moved her from the house and moved her into like an abandoned farm hill and she said there was no electricity, no running water. Um, it was her and my oldest brother, pretty much they had no food. She was severely malnourished when she was pregnant and to the point where he would take car parts out of the car, so she couldn’t go anywhere. She was pretty much abandoned in a foreign house and had nowhere to go. She couldn’t escape for the longest time.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.71" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Lori. She called me from Georgia before her move to Washington state. She was adopted after her biological mother lived with her adoptive parents, but that boarding situation was forced because of abuse, which was a recurring theme in Lori’s home, thereafter. She tells the story of growing up reminded of the privilege she lived with, but wanting only to be herself, not keep up appearances for her mother. When she found her birth mother, she was able to share her sons with the woman who had missed out on her youth years ago. This is Lori’s journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=91.83" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;When I spoke to Lori from Georgia, she was planning to move their young family west to Washington following her husband’s career in the United States army. Lori’s five month old son was in the background so you might hear him from time to time. She told me that she was born and partially raised in central California where her parents and most of their family were from. She didn’t really know too many adopted kids in her area and adoption wasn’t spoken of in her home. She said she was one of four that her parents tried to adopt. Her oldest brother is five years older than herself. Lori was adopted at birth after her parents had fertility issues and even lost a child. Their parents tried to adopt another boy, but the adoption fell through and the boy went back to his biological family. Lori shared that she had good memories of her childhood with a tight knit family and grandparents who were great people. But when she was 10 her parents tried to adopt a brother and sister who would have been two middle children between Lori and her brother. But their adoptions didn’t work out either.</p><p>Lori:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=151.35" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;About that time when I was about 10 years old, I don’t know what necessarily happened or anything, but it was just stuff just went down hill. I know my oldest brother was kind of like a trouble maker. He, he did a lot of things kids shouldn’t do and I know he kind of reck havoc on my parents, but I don’t think it was necessarily because he was just like rebellious or anything. I just think that’s the only way he knew how to get attention and I know that took a toll on them, but they, that’s like around the time I remember they started drinking too and it was just, I dunno, it was like a big snowball effect. It just kind of went negative from that point on.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=194.29" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:14</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Lori admits that she may have been naive to the drinking when she was younger. She said that things seem to start out almost perfectly because she was really close to her dad, but the family dynamic did change when she was 10. Her parent’s drinking and the stress of her brother’s acting out took a toll and their home turned abusive. Lori’s brother was sent away to children’s homes, so he was inexplicably in and out of the house, which was really confusing for Lori. When she asked about her brother, her parents said he was at summer camp when Lori asked why she wasn’t in summer camp too, her mother changed the subject just like she always did. In their part of California, there were work camps where troubled youth were sent to pick crops as part of community service, so he went there for a while</p><p>Lori:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=239.92" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:59</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;so it was like he was in and out, in and out, and then he was gone and I wasn’t allowed to talk about it, wasn’t allowed to ask about it. My mom at that point started getting pretty abusive towards the rest of us. So it was literally like a switch went off. I’m not really sure how to explain it.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=257.41" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:17</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Lori remembers waiting for her brother to call home, but after awhile the calls stopped. When they went to visit her brother where he was boarded, her parents would drop off Lori at her grandparents house or when they did take Lori along, she was left in the boarding schools office, unable to see her brother.</p><p>Lori:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=274.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So I went from being like the youngest sibling and then we got the other two from foster care and they fell kind of in between us and they were with us at that time. And a year after my brother left for good, my sister was sent back into foster care and then not even a year later, the um, younger brother was sent into foster care. So they were split up and then it was just me at that point.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lori was adopted&nbsp;after her biological mother lived with her adoptive parents, desperately trying to escape the tyranny of her abusive husband. The&nbsp;abuse her birth mother suffered would be a recurring theme in her own life when her mother’s drinking got worse. Lorie tells the story of growing up reminded of the privilege she lived with but wanting only to be herself, not keep up appearances for her mother.&nbsp;When she found her birth mother, she was able to share her own sons with their new grandmother, a woman who missed out Lori’s youth.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a></p><p>Lori:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=0.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;He had actually moved her from the house and moved her into like an abandoned farm hill and she said there was no electricity, no running water. Um, it was her and my oldest brother, pretty much they had no food. She was severely malnourished when she was pregnant and to the point where he would take car parts out of the car, so she couldn’t go anywhere. She was pretty much abandoned in a foreign house and had nowhere to go. She couldn’t escape for the longest time.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.71" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Lori. She called me from Georgia before her move to Washington state. She was adopted after her biological mother lived with her adoptive parents, but that boarding situation was forced because of abuse, which was a recurring theme in Lori’s home, thereafter. She tells the story of growing up reminded of the privilege she lived with, but wanting only to be herself, not keep up appearances for her mother. When she found her birth mother, she was able to share her sons with the woman who had missed out on her youth years ago. This is Lori’s journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=91.83" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;When I spoke to Lori from Georgia, she was planning to move their young family west to Washington following her husband’s career in the United States army. Lori’s five month old son was in the background so you might hear him from time to time. She told me that she was born and partially raised in central California where her parents and most of their family were from. She didn’t really know too many adopted kids in her area and adoption wasn’t spoken of in her home. She said she was one of four that her parents tried to adopt. Her oldest brother is five years older than herself. Lori was adopted at birth after her parents had fertility issues and even lost a child. Their parents tried to adopt another boy, but the adoption fell through and the boy went back to his biological family. Lori shared that she had good memories of her childhood with a tight knit family and grandparents who were great people. But when she was 10 her parents tried to adopt a brother and sister who would have been two middle children between Lori and her brother. But their adoptions didn’t work out either.</p><p>Lori:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=151.35" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;About that time when I was about 10 years old, I don’t know what necessarily happened or anything, but it was just stuff just went down hill. I know my oldest brother was kind of like a trouble maker. He, he did a lot of things kids shouldn’t do and I know he kind of reck havoc on my parents, but I don’t think it was necessarily because he was just like rebellious or anything. I just think that’s the only way he knew how to get attention and I know that took a toll on them, but they, that’s like around the time I remember they started drinking too and it was just, I dunno, it was like a big snowball effect. It just kind of went negative from that point on.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=194.29" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:14</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Lori admits that she may have been naive to the drinking when she was younger. She said that things seem to start out almost perfectly because she was really close to her dad, but the family dynamic did change when she was 10. Her parent’s drinking and the stress of her brother’s acting out took a toll and their home turned abusive. Lori’s brother was sent away to children’s homes, so he was inexplicably in and out of the house, which was really confusing for Lori. When she asked about her brother, her parents said he was at summer camp when Lori asked why she wasn’t in summer camp too, her mother changed the subject just like she always did. In their part of California, there were work camps where troubled youth were sent to pick crops as part of community service, so he went there for a while</p><p>Lori:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=239.92" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:59</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;so it was like he was in and out, in and out, and then he was gone and I wasn’t allowed to talk about it, wasn’t allowed to ask about it. My mom at that point started getting pretty abusive towards the rest of us. So it was literally like a switch went off. I’m not really sure how to explain it.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=257.41" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:17</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Lori remembers waiting for her brother to call home, but after awhile the calls stopped. When they went to visit her brother where he was boarded, her parents would drop off Lori at her grandparents house or when they did take Lori along, she was left in the boarding schools office, unable to see her brother.</p><p>Lori:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=274.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So I went from being like the youngest sibling and then we got the other two from foster care and they fell kind of in between us and they were with us at that time. And a year after my brother left for good, my sister was sent back into foster care and then not even a year later, the um, younger brother was sent into foster care. So they were split up and then it was just me at that point.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=300.71" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wow. So how was it then for just you, your mother and father have begun to drink? There’s a huge rift in the family. There’s all of this tumult. Children are coming in and out of the house and now it sounds like it’s just you and you three have moved overseas. How was it for you?</p><p>Lori:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=323.44" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:23</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It was hard at that point cause before, quite honestly, um, I felt like my brother was like the center of attention and not, not necessarily good attention. Cause like I said, he got into trouble, only thing I did, I always sat back and watched, um, you know, kind of like, Ooh, I better not do that. Cause you know, I always had that fear that I’d get sent away too. But um, it started out like good for me. Like I was, I don’t know, I guess he always was getting mad at me because I was treated better. I was the good kid that could do no wrong and everything. And then once they all left, it was like, there was no one else for them to focus their attention to. And they, but I want to say mostly my mom, my dad started kind of separating himself like so he would either stay busy with work or kind of keep out in the garage at his workshop or stay busy building things or doing stuff. And it was just mainly at like at that point it was like my mom just, she had to, I don’t know, get out her anger, her stress or whatever out on me. Like I was being put under a microscope. All of a sudden</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=385.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:25</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Lori was 14 as a young woman. Her self esteem was oscillating and her mother was overly critical of her appearance, tried to dissuade her from her interests, pushed her to be like other girls and generally torpedoed Lori’s self-esteem.</p><p>Lori:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=399.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:39</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I felt like I had to try to prove myself to her and even more so for the fact that, well I might get sent away too and I don’t have anywhere to be sent to. So it was just kind of like the huge thing, like what do I need to do to stay here and what do I need to do to please her? Or, you know, make her proud, to make her happy. So I spent my teen years just trying to battle with that on a daily basis.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=427.14" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:07</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And May I ask, you know, she sounds like she put a lot of emphasis on your looks. Tell me a little bit about your look at the time. Do One, do you resemble her and your father at all? And two, were you, you know, sort of a tomboy in, uh, you know, sort of very, you know, more girly world. Tell me why she was, why you feel like she was so focused on your looks?</p><p>Lori:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=451.97" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, to be completely honest, I didn’t look like anybody in the family. Um, and the only thing that we had in common was we had blonde hair and she had green eyes, I had blue. But other than that, like my dad was dark complected. Um, he had straight black hair, you know, and here I was just, and I was chubby too. So I’ve always been kind of a solid, study girl from the get go. And she’s a small, petite woman, so I towered over her. Um, and my dad wasn’t that tall either, so we looked completely like opposites, to be honest. And growing up, I was older and I’d reflect back on our pictures. I went like at one point my hair was curly and that’s the same time when my mom would go and perm her hair and then my hair went through this phase where it started turning brown and she would dye her hair brown and I don’t know if that she did that subconsciously or if she was always trying to make it look like I was hers.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=509.49" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:29</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Lori’s mother loved dresses and really girly stuff, but Lori found herself in jeans and a tee shirt out in the garage with her father and the boys. She was a big tomboy and loved sports, but that didn’t fit the family’s general over emphasis on image. Lori said that was a key difference in her personality from theirs. She’s not interested in striving to look perfect and she describes herself as the kind of person who appreciates people for who they are, not the image they project.</p><p>Lori:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=536.79" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:56</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;We’re completely polar opposites in every aspect and it has always been that way. At first I thought, well, maybe I’m trying to be a rebellious kid by trying not to be like her, but it’s like as I learned more about who I was, I’m like, no, that’s just totally been me.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=550.41" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:10</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. It’s funny when you reach that moment when you realize you need to stop battling against your true self. Right,</p><p>Lori:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=556.39" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:16</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;exactly.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=557.68" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:17</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Going back a bit, Lori found out by accident around four or five years old that she was adopted. She said she’s always been observant and inquisitive. So before she knew she was adopted, she detected how her family didn’t look alike, didn’t have the same interests or the same traits like what she witnessed in other families.</p><p>Lori:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bVwgP9NIFRN9KGxyzLlEcGR-vg-nQLe3leB3zP2oYVB7r6obtIIcgkSKfYDapbBZ36MYI6n7FouRRG4nzaccNNu-X_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=576.73"...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/090-its-not-your-fault-i-made-it-through]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2431</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2023 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d83bdae9-5620-43f8-ac7b-a5747af2007f/090-its-not-your-fault-i-made-it-through-final.mp3" length="36405053" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>37:55</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>4</itunes:season><itunes:episode>90</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>90</podcast:episode><podcast:season>4</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Lori was adopted after her biological mother lived with her adoptive parents, desperately trying to escape the tyranny of her abusive husband. The abuse her birth mother suffered would be a recurring theme in her own life when her mother’s drinking got worse. Lorie tells the story of growing up reminded of the privilege she lived with…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>100 – Purely Loving Intentions</title><itunes:title>100 – Purely Loving Intentions</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Haley Radke, Host/Producer of the Adoptees On podcast is my special guest for this special 100th episode!</p><p>Haley shared her story of gaining access to her open&nbsp;adoption record in Canada when she was 18 and quickly connecting with her first mother via email. They met soon after, but that rapid connection at Haley’s young age had&nbsp;its&nbsp;challenges.&nbsp;After secondary rejection, she was much&nbsp;more&nbsp;cautious with her&nbsp;reunion with her birth father.&nbsp;Hard work in therapy saw them through to a good place and inspired her offer therapeutic information for free through her own podcast that I’m sure you know. This is Haley’s journey.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/100-purely-loving-intentions/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">100 – Purely Loving Intentions</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Haley (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=3.32" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:03</a>):</p><p>But you're right in the moment. I mean, I didn't really have another choice but to just show her and go through it with her and I, I mean I was so young who knew that this was like a trauma, you know, and I'm like bringing up horrible memories from the past. Right? It's just never occurred to me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=27.6" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:27</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=34.58" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:34</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Haley. She called me via Skype from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. Haley shared her story of gaining access to her adoption record in Canada when she was 18 and quickly connecting with her birth mother via email they met soon after. But that rapid connection at Haley's young age had its challenges after secondary rejection. She was much more cautious with her reunion with her birth father, hard work in therapy, solve them through to a good place and inspired her to offer therapeutic information for free through her own podcast. That. I'm sure you know this is Haley's journey. I'm not even going to play that game with you where I interview the person and I later reveal their secret identity. My guest for this very special 100th episode of who am I really is one of my fellow adoption podcasters, Haley Radke, host of Adoptees On and someone we all appreciate for her work to bring adoption stories and her healing series to podcasting. Haley told me she was adopted as an infant into the home of elementary school teachers in a remote Northern Mennonite community called LA Crete.</p><p>Haley (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=121.23" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:01</a>):</p><p>Most people spoke low German, which is a dialect very close to German. It's just a little different. So my, my parents were like the "English speaking" people. I'm putting that in quotation marks and everyone else was Mennonite. So already there was a other factor and I only knew one other person growing up that was adopted and in fact, fairly recently I got to have a conversation with her about those experiences growing up, adopted in this very small town. And our stories are so different because I had no idea who my birth parents were and I really wondered mostly about my mother. Um, but she had no idea either, but everyone around her knew. So we had very opposing experiences growing up in La Crete, which looking back on that now is just so interesting to me. How, how challenging it was for both of us in different ways.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=184.8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:04</a>):</p><p>When when you say she, everyone around her knew everybody around her, knew that she was adopted or everyone around her knew whose child she was.</p><p>Haley (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=195.33" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:15</a>):</p><p>Everyone around her knew who her mother was except for her.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=203.17" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:23</a>):</p><p>Haley's parents waited seven years on a waiting list for the chance to adopt her. So they were 38 and 40 years old. When they became parents, they wanted to adopt another child, but if they had to wait another seven years to be considered again, they felt they would be too old to start over with an infant. So Haley grew up an only child discussing what it was like growing up in her home. She reiterated that her parents were teachers, so they were focused on child development milestones, spent a lot of time with her and read to her a lot.</p><p>Haley (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=234.26" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:54</a>):</p><p>I did feel lonely a lot. Um, I remember playing by myself in my room, so very often wanting siblings. Um, my mum worked halftime, she was a kindergarten teacher and so I would often get babysat by family across the road from us and they had six kid I think if I'm remembering correctly and it was so rowdy and loud over there, then I would be thankful. I wasn't only kind of went back and forth.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=267.86" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:27</a>):</p><p>I did the same thing. I would go to my friend's houses and I would be like, Oh my God, you've got a brother, you've got a sister. And then I would see them fight over stuff and I was like, Oh man, I'm going home. I've got all my own stuff. I don't have to worry about any of this at home. Thinking back on the one adoptee Haley knew in her community, she said that her community was very homogenous when she was younger. So she doesn't think there were any other adoptees besides themselves today that very religious community has shifted to have more families who adopt often transracially, which we agreed might create some automatic othering for those adoptees. While Haley looked like the members of her community, they spoke English at home, so she got a taste of what it's like to be different from everyone else.</p><p>Haley (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=311.23" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:11</a>):</p><p>I don't understand what it's like to be a transracial adoptee and the extra layers of that except in that tiny piece that I do share sometimes. I did grow up very culturally different from all of my peers because almost all of them, like 95% were Mennonite and spoke low German at home and I was like, I don't know. I don't know what any of this is.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=333.73" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:33</a>):</p><p>Yeah, that is kind of fascinating. Wow. So you did feel a little bit of that othering then.</p><p>Haley (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=339.66" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:39</a>):</p><p>Yeah, definitely. And um, I did come to learn a few words in low German and the only one I can remember now is a swear word.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=349.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:49</a>):</p><p>I wondered how Haley was alike or different from her adoptive parents. Personality wise, she's pretty similar to her parents living more quietly and calmly like them. She said that with two parents who were teachers, she was often surrounded by her parents, friends who were teachers and people even seem to expect that one day she might be a teacher.</p><p>Haley (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=370.52" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:10</a>):</p><p>There's no way I was going to be a teacher. I did not want to be that and so I wanted to be different. I think somewhere in my subconscious I wanted to be different than they were,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=383.33"...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haley Radke, Host/Producer of the Adoptees On podcast is my special guest for this special 100th episode!</p><p>Haley shared her story of gaining access to her open&nbsp;adoption record in Canada when she was 18 and quickly connecting with her first mother via email. They met soon after, but that rapid connection at Haley’s young age had&nbsp;its&nbsp;challenges.&nbsp;After secondary rejection, she was much&nbsp;more&nbsp;cautious with her&nbsp;reunion with her birth father.&nbsp;Hard work in therapy saw them through to a good place and inspired her offer therapeutic information for free through her own podcast that I’m sure you know. This is Haley’s journey.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/100-purely-loving-intentions/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">100 – Purely Loving Intentions</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Haley (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=3.32" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:03</a>):</p><p>But you're right in the moment. I mean, I didn't really have another choice but to just show her and go through it with her and I, I mean I was so young who knew that this was like a trauma, you know, and I'm like bringing up horrible memories from the past. Right? It's just never occurred to me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=27.6" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:27</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=34.58" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:34</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Haley. She called me via Skype from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. Haley shared her story of gaining access to her adoption record in Canada when she was 18 and quickly connecting with her birth mother via email they met soon after. But that rapid connection at Haley's young age had its challenges after secondary rejection. She was much more cautious with her reunion with her birth father, hard work in therapy, solve them through to a good place and inspired her to offer therapeutic information for free through her own podcast. That. I'm sure you know this is Haley's journey. I'm not even going to play that game with you where I interview the person and I later reveal their secret identity. My guest for this very special 100th episode of who am I really is one of my fellow adoption podcasters, Haley Radke, host of Adoptees On and someone we all appreciate for her work to bring adoption stories and her healing series to podcasting. Haley told me she was adopted as an infant into the home of elementary school teachers in a remote Northern Mennonite community called LA Crete.</p><p>Haley (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=121.23" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:01</a>):</p><p>Most people spoke low German, which is a dialect very close to German. It's just a little different. So my, my parents were like the "English speaking" people. I'm putting that in quotation marks and everyone else was Mennonite. So already there was a other factor and I only knew one other person growing up that was adopted and in fact, fairly recently I got to have a conversation with her about those experiences growing up, adopted in this very small town. And our stories are so different because I had no idea who my birth parents were and I really wondered mostly about my mother. Um, but she had no idea either, but everyone around her knew. So we had very opposing experiences growing up in La Crete, which looking back on that now is just so interesting to me. How, how challenging it was for both of us in different ways.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=184.8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:04</a>):</p><p>When when you say she, everyone around her knew everybody around her, knew that she was adopted or everyone around her knew whose child she was.</p><p>Haley (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=195.33" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:15</a>):</p><p>Everyone around her knew who her mother was except for her.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=203.17" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:23</a>):</p><p>Haley's parents waited seven years on a waiting list for the chance to adopt her. So they were 38 and 40 years old. When they became parents, they wanted to adopt another child, but if they had to wait another seven years to be considered again, they felt they would be too old to start over with an infant. So Haley grew up an only child discussing what it was like growing up in her home. She reiterated that her parents were teachers, so they were focused on child development milestones, spent a lot of time with her and read to her a lot.</p><p>Haley (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=234.26" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:54</a>):</p><p>I did feel lonely a lot. Um, I remember playing by myself in my room, so very often wanting siblings. Um, my mum worked halftime, she was a kindergarten teacher and so I would often get babysat by family across the road from us and they had six kid I think if I'm remembering correctly and it was so rowdy and loud over there, then I would be thankful. I wasn't only kind of went back and forth.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=267.86" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:27</a>):</p><p>I did the same thing. I would go to my friend's houses and I would be like, Oh my God, you've got a brother, you've got a sister. And then I would see them fight over stuff and I was like, Oh man, I'm going home. I've got all my own stuff. I don't have to worry about any of this at home. Thinking back on the one adoptee Haley knew in her community, she said that her community was very homogenous when she was younger. So she doesn't think there were any other adoptees besides themselves today that very religious community has shifted to have more families who adopt often transracially, which we agreed might create some automatic othering for those adoptees. While Haley looked like the members of her community, they spoke English at home, so she got a taste of what it's like to be different from everyone else.</p><p>Haley (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=311.23" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:11</a>):</p><p>I don't understand what it's like to be a transracial adoptee and the extra layers of that except in that tiny piece that I do share sometimes. I did grow up very culturally different from all of my peers because almost all of them, like 95% were Mennonite and spoke low German at home and I was like, I don't know. I don't know what any of this is.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=333.73" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:33</a>):</p><p>Yeah, that is kind of fascinating. Wow. So you did feel a little bit of that othering then.</p><p>Haley (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=339.66" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:39</a>):</p><p>Yeah, definitely. And um, I did come to learn a few words in low German and the only one I can remember now is a swear word.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=349.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:49</a>):</p><p>I wondered how Haley was alike or different from her adoptive parents. Personality wise, she's pretty similar to her parents living more quietly and calmly like them. She said that with two parents who were teachers, she was often surrounded by her parents, friends who were teachers and people even seem to expect that one day she might be a teacher.</p><p>Haley (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=370.52" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:10</a>):</p><p>There's no way I was going to be a teacher. I did not want to be that and so I wanted to be different. I think somewhere in my subconscious I wanted to be different than they were,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=383.33" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:23</a>):</p><p>I'm sure to her parents. Great joy. Haley was a reader.</p><p>Haley (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=389.38" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:29</a>):</p><p>I loved reading. Reading was my number one thing. I basically read every single book in my elementary school libraries and middle school libraries and our community library was the same as our high school library. So when when I got books out from there, you were allowed five books out at a time, which was enough for a week for me, kind of when I, when I moved over to the high school, you were only allowed two books out if you were a student there. And I remember being so irritated that I couldn't take up more books again anymore</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=424.42" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:04</a>):</p><p>later. Haley's family, not quite as conservative as the Mennonite community around them. Got a computer. She learned tech stuff like computer games, web design and tech nerd stuff to use her words. As we were talking, I realized I didn't really know what Mennonite was, so I asked Haley to explain it a little.</p><p>Haley (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=444.34" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:24</a>):</p><p>So in La Crete, um, predominantly Mennonite, very small town, I'd say maybe 2,500 people. Most of the people there have immigrated to Canada from Bolivia and they have a very conservative religious culture. And Mennonite is one of the main features of the Mennonite religion is pacifism. So they would move to La Crete to escape being drafted for the war. And so that's sort of where the roots are. But the old colony Mennonites would be very similar to um, how to write in that. Like some of them, you know, when let their kids go to school pass grade nine, um, there's a lot of farming up there. Their churches wouldn't have electricity. For example. A lot of my friends weren't allowed to have TVs. Like when I say conservative I'm like speaking like it's a very like literally conservative and you know, going back many years in time. But yeah, it's, it's, it was, it was weird Damon people dropped out of school after grade nine because they had to go work on the farm and I had girlfriends who, you know, weren't allowed to cut their hair and they made their own dresses. Like it is like a whole different world.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=534.49" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:54</a>):</p><p>Yeah, it sounds like it. And if you weren't raised that way, it must've been really interesting to be part of a community where there was, you know, somewhat of a different language as a whole bunch of different beliefs in the system. That's really fascinating. I inquired with Haley about the catalyst for her search. She said she often wondered about her origin story and about her first mother when she turned 18 and had moved to the city in the early two thousands she realized she was of legal age to apply for her non identifying information in Alberta, but she wasn't really thinking about searching as even a possibility. She just wanted more information. She said her non ID was only a few pages</p><p>Haley (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=574.68" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:34</a>):</p><p>and it was very sparse. But everything on there I was like, Oh my goodness, I can't believe this. And one of the things that it said was that my mother was an avid reader and I remember just being like, Oh my gosh. Like of course she is. That's where I get it from.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=591.86" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:51</a>):</p><p>(laughter)</p><p>Haley (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=593.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:53</a>):</p><p>I was so excited to like, as you're listening, know everyone that is adopted. Like if you have never had any type of genetic mirroring around you, like this one, one little fact of like, Oh my gosh, I'm like someone else. That was gold.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=611.57" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:11</a>):</p><p>Yeah. And to read it right there on the page before you've ever come anywhere near meeting the person. There's a real um, magnetism to them or at least identification with them, right, because you feel like a piece of you is, is in some way a piece of them. It's really kind of amazing. There were mentions of physical traits and information about the sizes of her maternal and paternal families, but not enough information to act on for a search. Haley tucked all of the information away and closed the door. But when the Alberta government opened adoption records, soon thereafter, she reopened that door. In 2005, Haley applied to receive her full adoption records, which were sent in a huge file of detailed information, but most of it was redacted with many sections blacked out.</p><p>Haley (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=663.27" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:03</a>):</p><p>But within that, there was my birth mother's name, my birth father's full name, and there was even an address that was her address at the time of placement for me. So I got out the phone book and I looked up her surname. It was, it's a very common surname, so I looked at pages and pages of the surname to try and see if I could find that address. And sure enough there still was someone there with that same last name and I thought this is probably my grandparents. And so I wrote a letter.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=706.83" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:46</a>):</p><p>What did you say? Do you remember what you said in your letter?</p><p>Haley (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=710.11" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:50</a>):</p><p>I have it here. Well, here's my first paragraph. I say tier and then there's her name family. I'm not sure what it would be like to receive this letter is actually kind of surreal for me to be sitting here and writing it. Just know that I'm not writing to disrupt lives or your family. I have purely loving intentions of finding my other family. So then I go on to give some details and about how I found their address and all of these things. And then I ask to be connected with my birth mother. And I do the same thing that so many of us do. Right. You have to show I'm not a scary person. I just kind of want to know and I want to express that. I want to know my family and I don't want to, you know, steal from you. I mean, what are the other struggles of like, exactly, yeah. Rock your boat, include myself in your family, take over in some way. Um, and I also say at the end, if you don't want to connect with me, could you just please acknowledge the receipt of this letter?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=786.76" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:06</a>):</p><p>I thought that was really smart. So many adoptees send out an introductory letter that's never answered, but we don't know if it was received and unanswered. If we add an incorrect address or if they just didn't want to talk to us. It's frustrating.</p><p>Haley (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=801.75" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:21</a>):</p><p>No kidding. The next day after I had mailed it, I got an email back from my grandfather and it was so beautiful and welcoming. I'll just give you the last line because it's so key to just how, um, my maternal grandfather is. It says, PS, I was told not to email you until after we spoke to your mother, but I think I've stayed in the background about 22 years too long.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=839.69" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:59</a>):</p><p>Oh my gosh, he sounds so awesome. Oh my gosh.</p><p>Haley (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XJAScD1rLLWqJsv0-R9Q5f7dmP9XVeNiYvREJFGLhh6a3OeGpBko3wD_LrJX_eTjgLEPXG8JeHXU9Q8wK2FgTA1UkJg?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=846.71" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">14:06</a>):</p><p>That was such a relief and it was so welcoming and loving and I just thought this is going to be great.</p><p>Damon (<a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/100-purely-loving-intentions]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2560</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2023 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c7aeccd7-a5fa-4af9-ad91-5f034b173ead/100-purely-loving-intentions-final.mp3" length="50870605" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>52:59</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>5</itunes:season><itunes:episode>100</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>100</podcast:episode><podcast:season>5</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Haley Radke, Host/Producer of the Adoptees On podcast is my special guest for this special 100th episode! Haley shared her story of gaining access to her open adoption record in Canada when she was 18 and quickly connecting with her first mother via email. They met soon after, but that rapid connection at Haley’s young age…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>094 – Why Would You Spend This Much Time Searching?</title><itunes:title>094 – Why Would You Spend This Much Time Searching?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Barry always knew he was adopted, but before he ever launched a search, he was found by his older sister.&nbsp;He tells the story of meeting her, and subsequently meeting his birth mother, both of whom welcomed him into their hearts.&nbsp;Hearing stories about why he was placed for adoption, Barry learned that he may have been lucky to escape his birth parents, but his younger siblings were not.&nbsp;This is Barry’s journey.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a></p><p>Barry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=0.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I decided at that point, prior to going in to meet her, at some point I will just call her mom. So I said it as I was leaving and I don’t think she caught it. So she, you know, we had to be chat at the front door and blah blah blah. And then I went to give her a hug and I said, I’ll see you later mom. And she looked up at me and she staggered a little bit and she kinda questioned the whole thing by just saying, mum said, well you kind of gave birth to me that kinda qualifies you.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Barry. I spoke with him from just outside of Edinburgh, Scotland via Skype. Barry always knew he was adopted, but just before he ever launched the search he was found by his older sister. He tells the story of meeting her and subsequently meeting his birth mother, both of whom welcomed him into their hearts. Hearing stories about why he was placed for adoption, He learned that he may have been lucky to escape his birth parents, but his younger siblings were not. This is Barry’s journey. Barry told me he had a middle class upbringing with his father who was in construction and his mother who was a semi retired school teacher, he grew up in a peaceful, quiet little village south of Edinburgh. Barry’s mother was unable to bear children, so he and his brother were adopted.</p><p>Barry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=106.99" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:46</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Just the two of us. I mean, we’re, we’re pretty much chalk and cheese completely. Other than the fact we grew up in the same place, um, there’s very little in common.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=116.38" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:56</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What did you notice that you didn’t have in common when you were a kid? Maybe.</p><p>Barry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=120.58" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Uh, I spent, well I was dyslexic growing up. So you kinda, you know, kids being the way kids are. Um, I spent most of my time alone anyway and I was quite happy. Just give me a key, you know, I was always into computers, um, or I played guitar and stuff like that. Um, I, I was quite happy just being by myself, doing my own little thing, my own way. And my brother was always the outgoing guy. He played soccer, uh, badly. Um, oh, he was terrible. He was, he’s quite legendary. So he was always the, he always had friends around and he was always going around to them or they were coming here and I had two or three friends, kinda, growing up. But most of the time I was more than happy just being by myself.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=166.54" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:46</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Barry went on to say that he and his brother didn’t look anything alike.</p><p>Barry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=171.3" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:51</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;We’re both relatively the same height, but he’s blonde, I’m dark. Um, facially we’re completely and utterly different. My brother’s ex wife, when she was just, they were just going out and she came over for a family meal one day and she commented saying Barry and his brothers don’t even look alike. And everyone kinda like stopped and was like, well, yeah, they’re adopted. Didn’t you know that? I mean, everybody who knew us growing up knew that we were adopted. It was just, there was never a secret. It was never an issue. We just kind of got on with it. I don’t recall, uh, being told but I just know that I was always, it was always explained to me that someone couldn’t look after me, so my parents did.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=214.18" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And how did that explanation sit with you?</p><p>Barry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=216.55" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Uh, well that’s the only one you got. So you Kinda just have to get on with it really. Um, but you know, that’s when, as you get older, it kind of, for me, it factored in the back of my mind and you’ve got the whole, you know, maybe I wasn’t good enough. What did I do wrong? And I think I, I’ve now learned that there’s a, uh, a character trait that a lot of, uh, adoptees have where you have this need to please people around them. So yeah, I’ve recognized that behavioral trait.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=247.25" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:07</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;He was dyslexic. So at school he learned what people expected or wanted to hear from him. And he learned to be a chameleon who didn’t stick out in the crowd. Barry said, it’s funny to see how different his daughter is today than he was as a kid. She’s outgoing and won’t hesitate to tell you what she’s thinking. Going back to his own childhood, he highlighted something else that many adoptees...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry always knew he was adopted, but before he ever launched a search, he was found by his older sister.&nbsp;He tells the story of meeting her, and subsequently meeting his birth mother, both of whom welcomed him into their hearts.&nbsp;Hearing stories about why he was placed for adoption, Barry learned that he may have been lucky to escape his birth parents, but his younger siblings were not.&nbsp;This is Barry’s journey.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a></p><p>Barry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=0.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I decided at that point, prior to going in to meet her, at some point I will just call her mom. So I said it as I was leaving and I don’t think she caught it. So she, you know, we had to be chat at the front door and blah blah blah. And then I went to give her a hug and I said, I’ll see you later mom. And she looked up at me and she staggered a little bit and she kinda questioned the whole thing by just saying, mum said, well you kind of gave birth to me that kinda qualifies you.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Barry. I spoke with him from just outside of Edinburgh, Scotland via Skype. Barry always knew he was adopted, but just before he ever launched the search he was found by his older sister. He tells the story of meeting her and subsequently meeting his birth mother, both of whom welcomed him into their hearts. Hearing stories about why he was placed for adoption, He learned that he may have been lucky to escape his birth parents, but his younger siblings were not. This is Barry’s journey. Barry told me he had a middle class upbringing with his father who was in construction and his mother who was a semi retired school teacher, he grew up in a peaceful, quiet little village south of Edinburgh. Barry’s mother was unable to bear children, so he and his brother were adopted.</p><p>Barry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=106.99" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:46</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Just the two of us. I mean, we’re, we’re pretty much chalk and cheese completely. Other than the fact we grew up in the same place, um, there’s very little in common.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=116.38" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:56</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What did you notice that you didn’t have in common when you were a kid? Maybe.</p><p>Barry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=120.58" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Uh, I spent, well I was dyslexic growing up. So you kinda, you know, kids being the way kids are. Um, I spent most of my time alone anyway and I was quite happy. Just give me a key, you know, I was always into computers, um, or I played guitar and stuff like that. Um, I, I was quite happy just being by myself, doing my own little thing, my own way. And my brother was always the outgoing guy. He played soccer, uh, badly. Um, oh, he was terrible. He was, he’s quite legendary. So he was always the, he always had friends around and he was always going around to them or they were coming here and I had two or three friends, kinda, growing up. But most of the time I was more than happy just being by myself.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=166.54" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:46</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Barry went on to say that he and his brother didn’t look anything alike.</p><p>Barry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=171.3" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:51</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;We’re both relatively the same height, but he’s blonde, I’m dark. Um, facially we’re completely and utterly different. My brother’s ex wife, when she was just, they were just going out and she came over for a family meal one day and she commented saying Barry and his brothers don’t even look alike. And everyone kinda like stopped and was like, well, yeah, they’re adopted. Didn’t you know that? I mean, everybody who knew us growing up knew that we were adopted. It was just, there was never a secret. It was never an issue. We just kind of got on with it. I don’t recall, uh, being told but I just know that I was always, it was always explained to me that someone couldn’t look after me, so my parents did.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=214.18" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And how did that explanation sit with you?</p><p>Barry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=216.55" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Uh, well that’s the only one you got. So you Kinda just have to get on with it really. Um, but you know, that’s when, as you get older, it kind of, for me, it factored in the back of my mind and you’ve got the whole, you know, maybe I wasn’t good enough. What did I do wrong? And I think I, I’ve now learned that there’s a, uh, a character trait that a lot of, uh, adoptees have where you have this need to please people around them. So yeah, I’ve recognized that behavioral trait.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=247.25" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:07</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;He was dyslexic. So at school he learned what people expected or wanted to hear from him. And he learned to be a chameleon who didn’t stick out in the crowd. Barry said, it’s funny to see how different his daughter is today than he was as a kid. She’s outgoing and won’t hesitate to tell you what she’s thinking. Going back to his own childhood, he highlighted something else that many adoptees experience.</p><p>Barry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=271.65" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You grow up not looking like anyone around you. Which I’ve heard referred to as the cuckoo complex.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=279.18" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:39</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh, I haven’t heard that before. Interesting. What, how did they describe it when you heard it?</p><p>Barry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=284.75" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:44</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Um, yeah, essentially the cuckoo doesn’t know is it lays its eggs in other bird’s nests. And of course birds are biologically programmed to raise the eggs that hatch. So they raise this other chick and off it goes and the cycle goes on. So yeah. Um, I kinda, it wasn’t until I heard it I was like, oh yeah,</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=309.24" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;that’s fascinating. I have never heard that before.</p><p>Barry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=312.88" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:12</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And of course, having my daughter, everyone’s, you know, she’s dark haired, I’m dark hair. So she, if you look at my childhood pictures, she’s a spitting image of me, but I’ve got nothing else to compare that to. Yeah, I have no idea what I look like or who I resemble.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=327.43" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:27</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I asked Barry about how he was similar or different from his parents. He said that with his mom, a school teacher, everything is always a lesson, so he just adapted to how she operated. His Dad was an old school guy who worked at the same company he had been employed by since his apprenticeship at 14 years old. By the age of 21 his father had earned his way to being the youngest construction foreman in the company and eventually Barry and his brother worked for the company too, his brother still does, but their father is retired. But back in the day, Barry went to work as a brick layer and he hated it. He didn’t know what he wanted to do, but he knew that was not it. Of course, his father couldn’t understand why. He just assumed that his son was lazy, when in reality he just wasn’t cut out for that kind of manual labor. Oh and the Gong you’re about to hear, I accidentally struck my mic stand. Sorry about that.</p><p>Barry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=385.14" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:25</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So yeah, you were just the lazy child, you know, just buckle under and just get it done. And it’s like, no, it’s not quite as easy as that, but you can’t communicate that to some people. And My, my dad and I were never ever close. The only time I remember him speaking to me was to issue a new notice of disapproval. I’m sure. I’m sure there were, there were nice moments as well, but I don’t remember them.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=409.32" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:49</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. When they’re, when they’re so far out numbered by the disapprovals then you don’t remember the approvals very well.</p><p>Barry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=415.3" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:55</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I, I generally tended to stay out of his way when he came home, when he came home, which another reason I just locked myself in my room with my computers and my guitars and then did whatever.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=425.58" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;How about with your mom? Where you, so you must have been naturally closer to her, but did you feel a connection to her?</p><p>Barry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=431.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:11</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I did in a way. Um, I mean, I, I, I do remember feeling, I mean even, even though they don’t quite understand me, I mean, since I’ve been finding family and stuff like that, my father and I, my father has made efforts to get close to me. Um, for example, he, the pair of us with his background in wood, Eh, he constructed a couple of guitars.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=456.12" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Really? That’s awesome.</p><p>Barry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=458.28" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:38</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. And they’re, they’re fantastic guitars as well. My Dad glued a whole bunch of different woods together, so it had a stripe effect and he carved out the entire body himself.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6WGxHEJHB0M1rHbEyn3McXGvuDj0_fbrrtZl1UXqK8A5pj-ZwhidQApzQwhpW0svwgDsjcdwHgsZJKHFoqGAp7Gc-IE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=471.04" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:51</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Did you think, it sounds like all of this happened in your adulthood and if I heard you correctly after reunion, did you kind of think to yourself like, where was this guy when I was growing...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/094-why-would-you-spend-this-much-time-searching]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2509</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/11a7d048-4ce0-48e9-a8c7-0e2a69574191/O1Xdx6YUQ4lFeuVGKwnzneWu.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2023 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/67762bcc-d096-44ee-9249-cb6296ae1959/094-why-would-you-spend-this-much-time-searching-final.mp3" length="38632783" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>40:14</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>5</itunes:season><itunes:episode>94</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>94</podcast:episode><podcast:season>5</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Barry always knew he was adopted, but before he ever launched a search, he was found by his older sister. He tells the story of meeting her, and subsequently meeting his birth mother, both of whom welcomed him into their hearts. Hearing stories about why he was placed for adoption, Barry learned that he may have been…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>092 – Paternally Unrelated</title><itunes:title>092 – Paternally Unrelated</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Cindy knew she was adopted, but she believed the men in her life where of biological relation – she&nbsp;thought&nbsp;she was adopted within the family.&nbsp;She lived&nbsp;decades with what she calls a lie.&nbsp;DNA testing revealed that her&nbsp;biological father&nbsp;was someone else&nbsp;entirely, and her search for her birthmother hasn’t returned any details about where the woman might be.&nbsp;She has&nbsp;developed two amazing relationships with a sister and cousin, but her 11 half siblings want nothing to do with her.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Cindy:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.24" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think that, even though I, I’m one that needs to know the truth, I can deal with things in time if I know the truth. Lying to me is like the worst thing you can do. So it took me a while to process that I had been lied to my entire life. Um, and that was a big low for me.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=27.45" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:27</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.83" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:38</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is, Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and today you’re going to meet Cindy. She called from upstate New York, but she grew up in central New Jersey. Cindy knew she was adopted, but she believed the men in her life were of biological relation. She thought she was adopted within the family. She lived the decades with what she calls a lie. DNA revealed that her biological father was someone else entirely and her search for her birth mother hasn’t returned any details about where the woman might be. She has developed two amazing relationships, but her 10 half siblings want nothing to do with her. This is Cindy’s journey. Cindy was born in West Virginia where she was adopted at the age of three. Her parents were deemed unfit and she was removed from their home for child neglect. Cindy was adopted by her father’s brother.</p><p>Cindy:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=96.86" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;All my life I believed I stayed within my birth, at least my birth father’s family. And so I was adopted at three. I was raised in New Jersey and stayed there until I went to college.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=110.11" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Gotcha. So you, you called him Dad. So at three years old, transitioned out of poor care in West Virginia to your quote unquote Father’s care in New Jersey.</p><p>Cindy:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=124.46" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Right. So I was adopted by my aunt and uncle.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=126.63" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:06</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Gotcha. But you didn’t know that</p><p>Cindy:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=128.85" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:08</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I, well, I did at five. Um, New Jersey laws require that a child be told they’re adopted before they enter kindergarten.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=137.14" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:17</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh, that’s really interesting. I’ve never heard of a law that requires that knowledge be given to a child before. That’s fascinating. Have you heard of other states say that?</p><p>Cindy:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=146.27" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:26</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I have not. Um, and I don’t know if it’s still the case, but back then they were required to let me know that I was adopted and they gave me the full story so I knew I was being raised by my aunt and uncle and I knew that my birth father was now my uncle. As crazy as that sounds,</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=164.25" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:44</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Cindy said she doesn’t really remember a big dramatic transplantation when she was three. She had a good relationship with her uncle. Now, her dad,</p><p>Cindy:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=172.8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:52</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;my adopted mother, I think resented me, thinks she felt forced that she had to take me, but my adopted father welcomed me with open arms and I never felt anything but like he was my father</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=189.17" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;despite one parent being resentful while the other was supportive, Cindy feels like her childhood was pretty typical. She was rebellious toward her stepmother and she used to hear a lot of that classic threat,</p><p>Cindy:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=200.47"...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cindy knew she was adopted, but she believed the men in her life where of biological relation – she&nbsp;thought&nbsp;she was adopted within the family.&nbsp;She lived&nbsp;decades with what she calls a lie.&nbsp;DNA testing revealed that her&nbsp;biological father&nbsp;was someone else&nbsp;entirely, and her search for her birthmother hasn’t returned any details about where the woman might be.&nbsp;She has&nbsp;developed two amazing relationships with a sister and cousin, but her 11 half siblings want nothing to do with her.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Cindy:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.24" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think that, even though I, I’m one that needs to know the truth, I can deal with things in time if I know the truth. Lying to me is like the worst thing you can do. So it took me a while to process that I had been lied to my entire life. Um, and that was a big low for me.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=27.45" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:27</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.83" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:38</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is, Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and today you’re going to meet Cindy. She called from upstate New York, but she grew up in central New Jersey. Cindy knew she was adopted, but she believed the men in her life were of biological relation. She thought she was adopted within the family. She lived the decades with what she calls a lie. DNA revealed that her biological father was someone else entirely and her search for her birth mother hasn’t returned any details about where the woman might be. She has developed two amazing relationships, but her 10 half siblings want nothing to do with her. This is Cindy’s journey. Cindy was born in West Virginia where she was adopted at the age of three. Her parents were deemed unfit and she was removed from their home for child neglect. Cindy was adopted by her father’s brother.</p><p>Cindy:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=96.86" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;All my life I believed I stayed within my birth, at least my birth father’s family. And so I was adopted at three. I was raised in New Jersey and stayed there until I went to college.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=110.11" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Gotcha. So you, you called him Dad. So at three years old, transitioned out of poor care in West Virginia to your quote unquote Father’s care in New Jersey.</p><p>Cindy:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=124.46" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Right. So I was adopted by my aunt and uncle.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=126.63" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:06</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Gotcha. But you didn’t know that</p><p>Cindy:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=128.85" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:08</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I, well, I did at five. Um, New Jersey laws require that a child be told they’re adopted before they enter kindergarten.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=137.14" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:17</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh, that’s really interesting. I’ve never heard of a law that requires that knowledge be given to a child before. That’s fascinating. Have you heard of other states say that?</p><p>Cindy:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=146.27" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:26</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I have not. Um, and I don’t know if it’s still the case, but back then they were required to let me know that I was adopted and they gave me the full story so I knew I was being raised by my aunt and uncle and I knew that my birth father was now my uncle. As crazy as that sounds,</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=164.25" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:44</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Cindy said she doesn’t really remember a big dramatic transplantation when she was three. She had a good relationship with her uncle. Now, her dad,</p><p>Cindy:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=172.8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:52</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;my adopted mother, I think resented me, thinks she felt forced that she had to take me, but my adopted father welcomed me with open arms and I never felt anything but like he was my father</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=189.17" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;despite one parent being resentful while the other was supportive, Cindy feels like her childhood was pretty typical. She was rebellious toward her stepmother and she used to hear a lot of that classic threat,</p><p>Cindy:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=200.47" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:20</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;wait till your father gets home and how much trouble you’re going to be in. I think she got pleasure out of that actually, which is kind of weird.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=208.28" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:28</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Cindy feels like the woman loved her the best that she could given the circumstances and in the face of some undiagnosed mental health issues. But her dad was great when Cindy was 13. Her parents adopted two siblings, brother and sister. They were 11 and seven years old.</p><p>Cindy:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=225.5" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:45</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And that was very difficult. I resented them bringing people into this family at that point.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=232.18" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:52</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, I’ll bet. So you were the only up until you were 13?</p><p>Cindy:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=236.46" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:56</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yes.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=237.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:57</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Gotcha. And then they brought in an 11 and a seven year old.</p><p>Cindy:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=240.67" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Correct.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=241.18" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And how did things change for you?</p><p>Cindy:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=243.33" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I obviously went from being the only and very spoiled to having to share. Um, and I think the hard thing for myself, and I’m not making excuses, was they were already like people. Um, it wasn’t like a baby coming into the house and you learn to grow with that. So they were already, you know, little people and had their own issues and their own things. And I recall, I kind of resented that, I guess.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=272.05" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:32</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, it can be a very different dynamic. It’s not like having a baby that you can sort of watch grow, you know, sort of mold with the nurture part of the equation. Yeah. And at 13 that would be challenging.</p><p>Cindy:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=285.94" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:45</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, I didn’t like it much.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=288.87" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:48</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Did you get along with them at all? What was your interaction? Cause they’re siblings so they know they’re related to each other and as you said, they’re young people so they know they’re not related to you. How did you all get along?</p><p>Cindy:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=300.53" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Okay. I, I definitely never developed a brother, sister relationship with them. I was, you know, I was a young teenager and interested in myself and really didn’t develop a relationship with them other than what I had to, but certainly not a brother, sister, sister, sister, relationship at all.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=322.26" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:22</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Something else happened when Cindy was a teenager. That was significant, but it just didn’t register for her at the time.</p><p>Cindy:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=328.73" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:28</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I can remember asking my adopted father, we were sitting in the living room and the reason this will be important is because of where it takes me now. But I remember saying, Oh, when I get married, who’s going to walk me down the aisle, you or my actual birth father. And I remember him getting very angry and saying he is not your birth father, Ben is your birth father and that will be significant as we move forward. As I have, you know, as I am older and I’m having children, I want to know, you know, and I remembered him saying this about the Ben but I kind of put it out of my mind. It was, you know, he was angry. I thought he was upset cause I asked</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RbKAwlGNDKUDpUid4VKWJaYBrb-VGaHPWGi88YNrfBn5UUmHweRK-re5FsG0bTaSJvgIGwZZjnp_hIPYl8jxIgO36qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=374.62" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:14</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;and was ben a familiar name to you at all or was it...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/092-paternally-unrelated]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2456</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2023 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/56f2018f-fe22-4ec1-8648-0a3a63c5c9c5/092-paternally-unrelated-final.mp3" length="27862786" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>29:01</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>4</itunes:season><itunes:episode>92</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>92</podcast:episode><podcast:season>4</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Cindy knew she was adopted, but she believed the men in her life where of biological relation – she thought she was adopted within the family. She lived decades with what she calls a lie. DNA testing revealed that her biological father was someone else entirely, and her search for her birthmother hasn’t returned any details about where the woman might be. She has developed…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>073 – It Hurts That Someone Took Her From This World</title><itunes:title>073 – It Hurts That Someone Took Her From This World</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Ashley shares her story growing up in adoption and having a positive outlook on her life because she felt she was placed for a reason, living life according to God’s plan. Ashley&nbsp;had two sisters, one adopted, one genetic to her parents but she bonded most over adoption with her lifelong school friend, also an adoptee. She searched off and on for 19 years with periodic focus, but it was a quick lunch break internet search that&nbsp;changed&nbsp;everything. The name she had for her birth mother was one of many aliases. She learned that her birth mother had been violently taken from their family, and her aunt was looking for her in the aftermath.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a></p><p>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=6.54" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:06</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It’s a wonderful thing that I’ve met them, but then I will never hear her voice. I will never get to touch her. I never get to see her. I will never get to have that experience and I think that hurt, it hurt from this world, prematurely and You know why? Why did you have to do that? Why did you have to murder her. Like, what was the point?</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=34.38" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I ?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=45.72" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:45</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Ashley. She called me from New Jersey, but she grew up in Portland, Oregon. Ashley shares her story growing up in adoption and having a positive outlook on her life because she felt like she was placed for a reason. She searched off and on for years and with periodic focus, but it was a quick lunch break, Internet search that changed everything. Ashley learned that her birth mother had been violently taken from their family and her aunt was looking for her and the aftermath. This is Ashley’s journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=90.75" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:30</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Ashley was adopted at the age of two. Her father was a social worker, so he was friends with the social worker on Ashley’s adoption case who told him that there was a cute little girl he might want to adopt. Ashley grew up mostly with her mother because her parents divorced when she was seven years old. She had two sisters, one who was also adopted. The other who was biological to their parents. Ashley found out she was adopted at eight years old</p><p>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=117.32" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:57</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;from what I remember, we were in her room on her bed and she just was like, you’re adopted, and I don’t quite remember My sister’s reaction but mine was like, no, I’m not. I’m your daughter you know there’s no way I could possibly be adopted. I’m your daughter stop playin, cuz you know I thought she was joking. Cuz you know how people do that. Sometimes, you’re adopted. But she was like, no, no. You’re really adopted and I think in my eight year old brain, I couldn’t quite comprehend what that meant. I just knew that I wasn’t my mother’s daughter, but that’s really the level I. I comprehend it.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=153.15" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:33</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wow. So you’re a little eight year old brains like, Nah, this can’t. That’s not right.</p><p>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=157" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:37</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Right. Because I don’t think I was exposed to the word adoption and really understood what it was. Maybe I saw it on tv, but really didn’t understand what that meant.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=166.48" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:46</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What did you do? Did you ask questions of your parents about it? Did you ask your friends about it? Do you recall anything about how you sort of reacted to this sort of bewildering news?</p><p>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=179.03" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:59</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think at the moment I was hurt, confused. I didn’t really ask too many questions to my mother because I, I think I was in such a state of shock that I didn’t know what to ask and how to ask. Now when I went to school, we were talking about different kinds of families and my teacher mentioned, you know, one time of family is adoption, like you know, the children are adopted into the family, the parents chose the children and I was like, wait a minute, I recognize that word because my mom said that word to me and I raised my hand. I was like, well, I’m adopted. And my teacher was like, really?, you know, she didn’t really go into it. She was like, you know, that’s wonderful. You know, your parents got to choose you and made it very comfortable for me. I didn’t feel out of place or uncomfortable but me saying that in my classroom, I had a friend that came up to me now we’re still lifelong friends and she came up to me and we became best friends because she’s adopted as well. So in saying that I gained from it.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=243.63" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Ashley was thankful for her new friend, also an adoptee because she had someone to bond with over adoption. I asked her if she and her younger sister spoke of their adoptions, but she said no, not until they were adults. She felt like they left the topic alone in their house because they were unsure how their mother would react. When Ashley got to Middle School, she said she admitted her adoption to friends more freely and with maturity. She developed a positive outlook on it even though she didn’t know what her story was. She told herself there must have been a reason she was placed with her parents and her faith told her that God had done this for that reason. When I asked Ashley what catalyzed her interest in searching for her birth relatives, she told me that when she reached high school, her mother showed her a collection of personal...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashley shares her story growing up in adoption and having a positive outlook on her life because she felt she was placed for a reason, living life according to God’s plan. Ashley&nbsp;had two sisters, one adopted, one genetic to her parents but she bonded most over adoption with her lifelong school friend, also an adoptee. She searched off and on for 19 years with periodic focus, but it was a quick lunch break internet search that&nbsp;changed&nbsp;everything. The name she had for her birth mother was one of many aliases. She learned that her birth mother had been violently taken from their family, and her aunt was looking for her in the aftermath.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a></p><p>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=6.54" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:06</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It’s a wonderful thing that I’ve met them, but then I will never hear her voice. I will never get to touch her. I never get to see her. I will never get to have that experience and I think that hurt, it hurt from this world, prematurely and You know why? Why did you have to do that? Why did you have to murder her. Like, what was the point?</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=34.38" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I ?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=45.72" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:45</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Ashley. She called me from New Jersey, but she grew up in Portland, Oregon. Ashley shares her story growing up in adoption and having a positive outlook on her life because she felt like she was placed for a reason. She searched off and on for years and with periodic focus, but it was a quick lunch break, Internet search that changed everything. Ashley learned that her birth mother had been violently taken from their family and her aunt was looking for her and the aftermath. This is Ashley’s journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=90.75" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:30</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Ashley was adopted at the age of two. Her father was a social worker, so he was friends with the social worker on Ashley’s adoption case who told him that there was a cute little girl he might want to adopt. Ashley grew up mostly with her mother because her parents divorced when she was seven years old. She had two sisters, one who was also adopted. The other who was biological to their parents. Ashley found out she was adopted at eight years old</p><p>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=117.32" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:57</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;from what I remember, we were in her room on her bed and she just was like, you’re adopted, and I don’t quite remember My sister’s reaction but mine was like, no, I’m not. I’m your daughter you know there’s no way I could possibly be adopted. I’m your daughter stop playin, cuz you know I thought she was joking. Cuz you know how people do that. Sometimes, you’re adopted. But she was like, no, no. You’re really adopted and I think in my eight year old brain, I couldn’t quite comprehend what that meant. I just knew that I wasn’t my mother’s daughter, but that’s really the level I. I comprehend it.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=153.15" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:33</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wow. So you’re a little eight year old brains like, Nah, this can’t. That’s not right.</p><p>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=157" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:37</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Right. Because I don’t think I was exposed to the word adoption and really understood what it was. Maybe I saw it on tv, but really didn’t understand what that meant.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=166.48" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:46</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What did you do? Did you ask questions of your parents about it? Did you ask your friends about it? Do you recall anything about how you sort of reacted to this sort of bewildering news?</p><p>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=179.03" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:59</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think at the moment I was hurt, confused. I didn’t really ask too many questions to my mother because I, I think I was in such a state of shock that I didn’t know what to ask and how to ask. Now when I went to school, we were talking about different kinds of families and my teacher mentioned, you know, one time of family is adoption, like you know, the children are adopted into the family, the parents chose the children and I was like, wait a minute, I recognize that word because my mom said that word to me and I raised my hand. I was like, well, I’m adopted. And my teacher was like, really?, you know, she didn’t really go into it. She was like, you know, that’s wonderful. You know, your parents got to choose you and made it very comfortable for me. I didn’t feel out of place or uncomfortable but me saying that in my classroom, I had a friend that came up to me now we’re still lifelong friends and she came up to me and we became best friends because she’s adopted as well. So in saying that I gained from it.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=243.63" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Ashley was thankful for her new friend, also an adoptee because she had someone to bond with over adoption. I asked her if she and her younger sister spoke of their adoptions, but she said no, not until they were adults. She felt like they left the topic alone in their house because they were unsure how their mother would react. When Ashley got to Middle School, she said she admitted her adoption to friends more freely and with maturity. She developed a positive outlook on it even though she didn’t know what her story was. She told herself there must have been a reason she was placed with her parents and her faith told her that God had done this for that reason. When I asked Ashley what catalyzed her interest in searching for her birth relatives, she told me that when she reached high school, her mother showed her a collection of personal items.</p><p>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=291.65" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:51</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My birth mother left me a box of things. I had a ring, a spoon with my zodiac sign on it. A picture of her and a diaper pin. Wow. And so my mother let me see that. And so once I saw that, that sparked my interest and interest in finding information</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=317.11" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:17</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;at that moment, her adoption was tangible. There were artifacts from her earlier life and a photo of her birth mother made it all real. Ashley also saw a polaroid instant picture of herself as a little kid in foster care. She said she thought the picture was really cute, but she also noticed that words had been whited out on the border of the photo. She scraped away the white out</p><p>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=340.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:40</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;and that’s when I found out what my birth name, what it was on the picture.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=345.02" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:45</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Really. That’s really interesting. What did you think when you saw that?</p><p>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=353.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:53</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was like really? So many different motions, like really that’s my name? do I look like that kind of like really? I don’t know if that fits me now Because I’ve been actually, since I can remember,</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=362.68" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;we agreed it can be kind of trippy to learn your birth name or even to see a picture of yourself from a time before every other photo you’ve ever known. Ashley had a copy of her birth certificate, which had her birth name, her birth mother’s name, but not her birth father’s identity. It was the late 1990d, so she searched online for her birth mother, but her name was so common. It was too hard to distinguish her birth mother from the other women. She found. She narrowed her search to a combination of the woman’s name and the state of Louisiana where her birth mother was from, but there was still too many hits. Ashley’s stopped looking for awhile and she was a little discouraged and frustrated. She checked online from time to time for 19 years checking social media and search engines. It wasn’t until Ashley was 35 years old and she was at work one day when she found the information she needed completely by accident.</p><p>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=417.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:57</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My coworker and I were talking about starting a nonprofit. She was like, well, why don’t you start a nonprofit helping people find their birth families? And I was like, how am I going to do that if I haven’t found my own birth family? Well, I can’t put myself out there like I know what I’m doing if I hadn’t done what I need to do. So I was like you know what, let me just sit down on this computer and I’m going to show you how I don’t know what I’m doing. And I googled, what I thought was my mother’s name. And on Google it has, you know, keywords that it finds on different articles or magazines or whatever. So her name actually was in the article and I was like, well here’s this article, but the name I thought was my mother’s name was clearly not her name. The article had just had her name that had names that I thought was a name in the article, but it wasn’t the title of the article at all.</p><p>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=468.3" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:48</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So let me read the article down until I see her name, My mother, anytime to ask questions. When I was older she would tell me little things like she would visit me, her, my birth thought I would visit me. They lived in Oregon for a while. I know what hospital I was born in. I know what county I was born in, so those little things I read and I knew that she had a record because the picture I have of her is actually a mug shot. I know she was booked in Portland a couple times. So I was like, okay, well she lives in Portland. I know that much and I know she was a prostitute. And in the article it’s spoke about her being a prostitute in, so I just kept reading article house to me, similarities, but I was like, but the name doesn’t match. That’s what really shook me up. The name never matched</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=521.39" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:41</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;the name Ashley had for her mother was sherry. But the article kept referring to a woman named Rita. Ashley did an Internet search for Rita.</p><p>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=530.09" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;A picture popped up. I was like, okay, that picture what I have. It’s not the same picture, but it looks like it could possibly be her. Now I saved the picture into my email. Just, I don’t know why I just saved it. So I pulled the picture up on my email and I can put it up to the computer screen and I compared the pictures and I was like, oh my gosh. I called my coworker over. I was like, if I the same person to you. And she just started crying, So I was like wait, that doesn’t really answer my question. I was like do you think?.. and She’s like, that’s her. That is her. And I was like, okay. So I read the article and it was a cold case file on her was what the article was and they were trying to find who she was because she was murdered in [inaudible] 88 and they to find her body until 89 and they were looking for any family members that she may have just to identify the body and you know, so they could try to solve this mystery.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sccrytyCafRDJCB94MLXOlEnbo5uupdzo-C61UhDd7QmiPflH5tP7e0ue-NwIcu7TMkONXb8ORFDfXbShhNLb_yhxuI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=593.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:53</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Ashley read that article dated 2014 where she learned that none of the aliases she knew so far where her mother’s real identity, her birth mother’s name was Celia. Ashley...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/073-it-hurts-that-someone-took-her-from-this-world-2]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2261</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2023 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/35594677-6277-4b71-8004-e2c40c8dbef2/073-it-hurts-that-someone-took-her-from-this-world-final-draft.mp3" length="25800139" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>26:52</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>3</itunes:season><itunes:episode>73</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>73</podcast:episode><podcast:season>3</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Ashley shares her story growing up in adoption and having a positive outlook on her life because she felt she was placed for a reason, living life according to God’s plan. Ashley had two sisters, one adopted, one genetic to her parents but she bonded most over adoption with her lifelong school friend, also an adoptee.…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>088 – Being Biracial Never Occurred to Me</title><itunes:title>088 – Being Biracial Never Occurred to Me</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In Kenneth’s family all of siblings were adoptees, each fostered in their parents home before their adoption were made final. That scenario worked out great for Kenneth, but not so much so for his oldest sister who never bonded with their mother.&nbsp;Seeking&nbsp;reunion, Kenneth carefully approached his half-sister and learned the&nbsp;truth about his brith mother’s institutionalization which led to his sister’s adoption, and his own conception.</p><p>Kenneth was&nbsp;still seeking answers as to his birth father’s identity at the time of our interview… for now at least he knows more about where he came from.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a></p><p>Kenneth:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VSDZgGdOtMAXoYBLQFSAl0u26m3jH5XR-pm41T7t_DAowth1Suh5PzmG7RIGoJqyBvupOJnWhtU3H5tj2SLXU3_iqEQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=0.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. You know, and it’s kind of funny in being the adopee, I think it was a lot tougher on my sister. My sister would visit my mother there and my mother had electroshock therapy and all that kind of stuff and it’s like I didn’t have to experience it myself, but my sister did.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VSDZgGdOtMAXoYBLQFSAl0u26m3jH5XR-pm41T7t_DAowth1Suh5PzmG7RIGoJqyBvupOJnWhtU3H5tj2SLXU3_iqEQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=25.22" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:25</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VSDZgGdOtMAXoYBLQFSAl0u26m3jH5XR-pm41T7t_DAowth1Suh5PzmG7RIGoJqyBvupOJnWhtU3H5tj2SLXU3_iqEQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=36.59" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Kenneth. He called me from Cole City, Illinois. His family of siblings were all adoptees, each fostered in their parents’ home before their adoptions. That scenario worked out great for Kenneth, but not so much for his oldest sister. Seeking reunion, he bonded with his half sister and learned the truth about his birth mother’s institutionalization, which led to his sister’s adoption and Kenneth’s conception. He’s still seeking answers as to his birth father’s identity, but for now at least he knows more about where he came from. This is Kenneth’s journey. Kenneth was the youngest of four adoptees in the suburbs of Chicago. He had two older sisters and a brother. So I’m sure you can imagine adoption was an integral part of their lives, but that doesn’t mean it was entirely a great thing for all of them. Listen to the stories Kenneth tells about his siblings start in their home</p><p>Kenneth:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VSDZgGdOtMAXoYBLQFSAl0u26m3jH5XR-pm41T7t_DAowth1Suh5PzmG7RIGoJqyBvupOJnWhtU3H5tj2SLXU3_iqEQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=104.79" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:44</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;and it’s kind of funny now that I look back on it and I hear other people’s adoption stories, I see how unique in one sense my situation was, my parents became foster parents solely for the, um, to be able to adopt and they figured, well if we start out as foster parents then we’ll have the in that would allow us to, um, be given children. And they were, they got four children and I’m not exactly sure that was the best idea for them because what ended up happening is, is my oldest sister was a foster child to start and they got her at 10 months old and she wasn’t adopted until she was like almost four. And at that point you really don’t have any much bonding that my, my mom and my mom especially. I don’t sense she could totally give her heart to my sister because she never knew if she was going to get her or not and so and and my sister would have visitations with her biological family and when she was three there, my sister can vaguely remember the goodbye to her biological family where everybody’s crying while they were going to be giving her up and I don’t think my sister bonded well with my mom because my mom didn’t know whether she was going to have my sister forever or whether she was going to have to give her up.</p><p>Kenneth:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VSDZgGdOtMAXoYBLQFSAl0u26m3jH5XR-pm41T7t_DAowth1Suh5PzmG7RIGoJqyBvupOJnWhtU3H5tj2SLXU3_iqEQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=189.56" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And I think that happened in several, with my oldest sister, definitely my second eldest sister was a foster child until she was eight years old. And that situation was actually opposite. My oldest sister, my second oldest sister, she was used to my mom being her mom, her adoptive mom. But she would visit her biological family and didn’t want to visit. And then they ended up getting into a court fight at the end because the biological family wanted her back at like eight. But they were sensing that they wanted her back so that they could take care of the invalid mother. So there was a court battle. And so my parents ultimately won. And so in this situation, I was constantly growing up in an adopted situation with case workers and social workers around. My brother, my older brother, he actually, they got him and they had a little bit of complication with him, because they were going to allow my parents to adopt him but then they discovered he was deaf. And then there was question marks about whether, you know, should, you know, would they be able to give him the need that they needed? And my parents had to beg and beg them to give give them the chance. And so you’ll notice there’s a lot of turmoil with my parents getting to be able to adopt the three eldest children. With me, it was very simple. My mother was this, my biological mother was a schizophrenia and she was in a mental institution and they knew I was never going to be, she was never going to be coming out. So, I was the first child my parents got and they got me at four months and it was like they knew they were going to have me.</p><p>Kenneth:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VSDZgGdOtMAXoYBLQFSAl0u26m3jH5XR-pm41T7t_DAowth1Suh5PzmG7RIGoJqyBvupOJnWhtU3H5tj2SLXU3_iqEQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=291.86" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:51</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So I think my mom bonded with me really quickly because there was none of this well we’re fostering and we don’t know whether we’re going to be able to keep this child. I was the only child they knew right off the bat they were going to keep. And I bonded. So my adoption situation was really wonderful. All rosy. I, you know, I loved my parents. I Love My, my dad and my mom and I could see within our, my family, there’s a different, a different way each of us children took adoption. I was the rosiest and my eldest sister, she never took with my mom.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VSDZgGdOtMAXoYBLQFSAl0u26m3jH5XR-pm41T7t_DAowth1Suh5PzmG7RIGoJqyBvupOJnWhtU3H5tj2SLXU3_iqEQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=326.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:26</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wow. That is really fascinating. You know, I’ve as you know, have heard so many stories, but I’ve never heard this perspective on foster to adoption where because the child was being fostered and was in such a tenuous situation that they might not get to stay with the foster parents who intend to adopt them, that it created this false barrier, and actually a very real barrier. Honestly. That’s really interesting. I’ve never experienced that. Kenneth’s adoption situation was really wonderful for him. He said that since he was brought into his parent’s home as a foster child first, his parents were given way more information about him than a parent who is adopting straightaway gets in a child’s non identifying information, but since his parents were fostering, he got pretty used to seeing social workers come in and out of their home and was generally used to the culture of adoption and fostering</p><p>Kenneth:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VSDZgGdOtMAXoYBLQFSAl0u26m3jH5XR-pm41T7t_DAowth1Suh5PzmG7RIGoJqyBvupOJnWhtU3H5tj2SLXU3_iqEQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=384.19"...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Kenneth’s family all of siblings were adoptees, each fostered in their parents home before their adoption were made final. That scenario worked out great for Kenneth, but not so much so for his oldest sister who never bonded with their mother.&nbsp;Seeking&nbsp;reunion, Kenneth carefully approached his half-sister and learned the&nbsp;truth about his brith mother’s institutionalization which led to his sister’s adoption, and his own conception.</p><p>Kenneth was&nbsp;still seeking answers as to his birth father’s identity at the time of our interview… for now at least he knows more about where he came from.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a></p><p>Kenneth:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VSDZgGdOtMAXoYBLQFSAl0u26m3jH5XR-pm41T7t_DAowth1Suh5PzmG7RIGoJqyBvupOJnWhtU3H5tj2SLXU3_iqEQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=0.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. You know, and it’s kind of funny in being the adopee, I think it was a lot tougher on my sister. My sister would visit my mother there and my mother had electroshock therapy and all that kind of stuff and it’s like I didn’t have to experience it myself, but my sister did.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VSDZgGdOtMAXoYBLQFSAl0u26m3jH5XR-pm41T7t_DAowth1Suh5PzmG7RIGoJqyBvupOJnWhtU3H5tj2SLXU3_iqEQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=25.22" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:25</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VSDZgGdOtMAXoYBLQFSAl0u26m3jH5XR-pm41T7t_DAowth1Suh5PzmG7RIGoJqyBvupOJnWhtU3H5tj2SLXU3_iqEQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=36.59" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Kenneth. He called me from Cole City, Illinois. His family of siblings were all adoptees, each fostered in their parents’ home before their adoptions. That scenario worked out great for Kenneth, but not so much for his oldest sister. Seeking reunion, he bonded with his half sister and learned the truth about his birth mother’s institutionalization, which led to his sister’s adoption and Kenneth’s conception. He’s still seeking answers as to his birth father’s identity, but for now at least he knows more about where he came from. This is Kenneth’s journey. Kenneth was the youngest of four adoptees in the suburbs of Chicago. He had two older sisters and a brother. So I’m sure you can imagine adoption was an integral part of their lives, but that doesn’t mean it was entirely a great thing for all of them. Listen to the stories Kenneth tells about his siblings start in their home</p><p>Kenneth:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VSDZgGdOtMAXoYBLQFSAl0u26m3jH5XR-pm41T7t_DAowth1Suh5PzmG7RIGoJqyBvupOJnWhtU3H5tj2SLXU3_iqEQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=104.79" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:44</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;and it’s kind of funny now that I look back on it and I hear other people’s adoption stories, I see how unique in one sense my situation was, my parents became foster parents solely for the, um, to be able to adopt and they figured, well if we start out as foster parents then we’ll have the in that would allow us to, um, be given children. And they were, they got four children and I’m not exactly sure that was the best idea for them because what ended up happening is, is my oldest sister was a foster child to start and they got her at 10 months old and she wasn’t adopted until she was like almost four. And at that point you really don’t have any much bonding that my, my mom and my mom especially. I don’t sense she could totally give her heart to my sister because she never knew if she was going to get her or not and so and and my sister would have visitations with her biological family and when she was three there, my sister can vaguely remember the goodbye to her biological family where everybody’s crying while they were going to be giving her up and I don’t think my sister bonded well with my mom because my mom didn’t know whether she was going to have my sister forever or whether she was going to have to give her up.</p><p>Kenneth:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VSDZgGdOtMAXoYBLQFSAl0u26m3jH5XR-pm41T7t_DAowth1Suh5PzmG7RIGoJqyBvupOJnWhtU3H5tj2SLXU3_iqEQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=189.56" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And I think that happened in several, with my oldest sister, definitely my second eldest sister was a foster child until she was eight years old. And that situation was actually opposite. My oldest sister, my second oldest sister, she was used to my mom being her mom, her adoptive mom. But she would visit her biological family and didn’t want to visit. And then they ended up getting into a court fight at the end because the biological family wanted her back at like eight. But they were sensing that they wanted her back so that they could take care of the invalid mother. So there was a court battle. And so my parents ultimately won. And so in this situation, I was constantly growing up in an adopted situation with case workers and social workers around. My brother, my older brother, he actually, they got him and they had a little bit of complication with him, because they were going to allow my parents to adopt him but then they discovered he was deaf. And then there was question marks about whether, you know, should, you know, would they be able to give him the need that they needed? And my parents had to beg and beg them to give give them the chance. And so you’ll notice there’s a lot of turmoil with my parents getting to be able to adopt the three eldest children. With me, it was very simple. My mother was this, my biological mother was a schizophrenia and she was in a mental institution and they knew I was never going to be, she was never going to be coming out. So, I was the first child my parents got and they got me at four months and it was like they knew they were going to have me.</p><p>Kenneth:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VSDZgGdOtMAXoYBLQFSAl0u26m3jH5XR-pm41T7t_DAowth1Suh5PzmG7RIGoJqyBvupOJnWhtU3H5tj2SLXU3_iqEQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=291.86" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:51</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So I think my mom bonded with me really quickly because there was none of this well we’re fostering and we don’t know whether we’re going to be able to keep this child. I was the only child they knew right off the bat they were going to keep. And I bonded. So my adoption situation was really wonderful. All rosy. I, you know, I loved my parents. I Love My, my dad and my mom and I could see within our, my family, there’s a different, a different way each of us children took adoption. I was the rosiest and my eldest sister, she never took with my mom.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VSDZgGdOtMAXoYBLQFSAl0u26m3jH5XR-pm41T7t_DAowth1Suh5PzmG7RIGoJqyBvupOJnWhtU3H5tj2SLXU3_iqEQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=326.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:26</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wow. That is really fascinating. You know, I’ve as you know, have heard so many stories, but I’ve never heard this perspective on foster to adoption where because the child was being fostered and was in such a tenuous situation that they might not get to stay with the foster parents who intend to adopt them, that it created this false barrier, and actually a very real barrier. Honestly. That’s really interesting. I’ve never experienced that. Kenneth’s adoption situation was really wonderful for him. He said that since he was brought into his parent’s home as a foster child first, his parents were given way more information about him than a parent who is adopting straightaway gets in a child’s non identifying information, but since his parents were fostering, he got pretty used to seeing social workers come in and out of their home and was generally used to the culture of adoption and fostering</p><p>Kenneth:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VSDZgGdOtMAXoYBLQFSAl0u26m3jH5XR-pm41T7t_DAowth1Suh5PzmG7RIGoJqyBvupOJnWhtU3H5tj2SLXU3_iqEQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=384.19" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:24</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;and my mom would turn and say, Oh yeah, you, you’ve got a sister somewhere and she’s about 16 and your mother was very, very sick. My mom really wanted to stress that I was wanted. It’s like your biological mother couldn’t take care of you. That’s why you’re here with us. But um, so she’d be telling me know, you know your, we know what your last name is. And so I grew up knowing a lot about, you know, especially having a sister. I was told it at about the age of five or six that I had a half sister out there. And that played on my mind for years because it’s like, you know, I go through life and it’s like I wonder if I’m ever going to see my sister. Is she somewhere around here? But then eventually I got to the point where I just, I resigned with the fact that adoption was closed. I was never going to know anything in this life. I always presented the fact that, you know, there are family members in my life that are out there somewhere and I could not ever be told who they were. And I could not have my birth certificate that just drove me up a wall. It’s like somewhere, somewhere in some office in Illinois. There’s a, a file that’s closed and has real big information on it for me and I can’t get it. And so, but I just figured, hey, it’s, it’s a closed thing. There’s nothing that can be done about it.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VSDZgGdOtMAXoYBLQFSAl0u26m3jH5XR-pm41T7t_DAowth1Suh5PzmG7RIGoJqyBvupOJnWhtU3H5tj2SLXU3_iqEQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=463.52" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:43</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. Wow. That’s, that’s unbelievable. Um, cause you’ve also said that basically being raised in foster care allowed you earlier access to this. You know, most, a lot of adoptees will say they’re in the fog. They don’t know enough to know that adoption is a thing, that they are disconnected from those whom they’re biologically related to. But you grew up in an environment where the entire culture of the house was, was, was penetrated by this whole process of moving children from one family to the next. And the legalities of it and the, and the visitations of it and the emotion that is involved with it yet still, it doesn’t give you any solace to know that there’s someone out there whom you’re never potentially going to meet. That’s really fascinating. Kenneth’s family life sounded really interesting to me. I was so curious about what life was like in a home with children of different ages in different fostering statuses with a variety of needs and even differing levels of family connections. Kenneth said every child had a very different experience at their house. His parents brought him when he was four months old and he bonded with their mother and felt like they were all just one big happy family. His adopted siblings were just his brothers and sisters and it was all good for Kenneth. When we talked about what compelled him to search for his birth family, he described his initial position that he didn’t want to search because he felt it would be disloyal to his parents.</p><p>Kenneth:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VSDZgGdOtMAXoYBLQFSAl0u26m3jH5XR-pm41T7t_DAowth1Suh5PzmG7RIGoJqyBvupOJnWhtU3H5tj2SLXU3_iqEQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=557.67" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:17</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think I was lying to myself, but I’d say, I don’t care. I really don’t care. You know, I don’t need to find anybody else. And um, as a matter of fact, when I first met my wife, um, I told her I was adopted and she says, oh, well do you ever wonder where your parents are? And I told her, well, my parents are at, and I, you know, I said, they’re at home, they’re, you know, right down the street</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VSDZgGdOtMAXoYBLQFSAl0u26m3jH5XR-pm41T7t_DAowth1Suh5PzmG7RIGoJqyBvupOJnWhtU3H5tj2SLXU3_iqEQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=582.25" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:42</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;after he turned 18 in 1983 at his adopted mother’s suggestion, Kenneth went to Catholic charities to get his non identifying information. His mother was similarly interested in his paternal heritage. Kenneth’s adopted father died in 1991 and his adopted mother later in 2005. Before their deaths, Kenneth had always been told his mother’s heritage was Polish and Swedish, but he had no idea what his paternal heritage was. Much later in 2017, at 51 years old, Kenneth’s wife bought him a 23 and me DNA test because they were both really curious about the entirety of Kenneth DNA genetic makeup.</p><p>Kenneth:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VSDZgGdOtMAXoYBLQFSAl0u26m3jH5XR-pm41T7t_DAowth1Suh5PzmG7RIGoJqyBvupOJnWhtU3H5tj2SLXU3_iqEQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=622.99" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>10:22</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What I discovered was the first ethnicity that came up that I was 30% African American and I did not know that I was African-American at that point.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VSDZgGdOtMAXoYBLQFSAl0u26m3jH5XR-pm41T7t_DAowth1Suh5PzmG7RIGoJqyBvupOJnWhtU3H5tj2SLXU3_iqEQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=635.44" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>10:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Fascinating.</p><p>Kenneth:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VSDZgGdOtMAXoYBLQFSAl0u26m3jH5XR-pm41T7t_DAowth1Suh5PzmG7RIGoJqyBvupOJnWhtU3H5tj2SLXU3_iqEQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=635.44" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>10:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And, which is kind of interesting because, you know, I grew up in, as I say, in a, in a, in a white suburb of Chicago and everybody in my class were white. I, and I, the thought of me being biracial never occurred to me, but I did notice when I started going to college. Um, I would start interacting with African Americans and they would tell me that I was African American and I was like, you know, being an adoptee, I didn’t know. And it’s like, yeah, I’m not sure.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VSDZgGdOtMAXoYBLQFSAl0u26m3jH5XR-pm41T7t_DAowth1Suh5PzmG7RIGoJqyBvupOJnWhtU3H5tj2SLXU3_iqEQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=671.15" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>11:11</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You’re naive. Right? If you, you know, you’ve grown up in a predominantly white neighborhood, gone to Oh, you know, school that you probably had a bunch of white friends and never really contemplated it before until this cadre of others of African American descent can recognize things in you that you probably hadn’t seen in yourself. That’s really interesting.</p><p>Kenneth:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/VSDZgGdOtMAXoYBLQFSAl0u26m3jH5XR-pm41T7t_DAowth1Suh5PzmG7RIGoJqyBvupOJnWhtU3H5tj2SLXU3_iqEQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=692.12" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>11:32</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I, I can remember the day clearly. I was at Northern Illinois University and I was sitting down and one of the, one of the African American girls who was sitting next to me, she looked at me and she, she included me in the African Community. She said, well, you know what, it’s like, you know, you know, being black. And I’m like, no. And she gave me a look. She looked at me and I said, no, I’m, I’m, yeah, I’m white. And she’s like, I don’t know if she thought I was trying to pass for something, but she looked at me and she made that look, and she’s like, you may not know who you are, but I know you’re African. But being an adoptee, I, you know, I, you know, I scratched my head and said, well, she could be right, but I, how do I know? But when the 23 and me, uh, results came back, uh, you know, there was 30% African American and it’s like, wow. Or, you know, it’s all well sub subsaharan African. And it’s like, wow. And, uh, and you know, I had hints that you, there were people that I think people suspected but nobody, uh, would talk to me about it.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/088-being-biracial-never-occurred-to-me]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2407</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/dd3fcfb9-0f40-41ca-94e6-5222c22d8a16/z06C-knuVsQxvVGSST1wMKV3.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2023 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ac69aa9a-7db1-42e9-a7f6-2b3307a6fa88/088-being-biracial-never-occurred-to-me-final.mp3" length="31982206" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>33:19</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>4</itunes:season><itunes:episode>88</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>88</podcast:episode><podcast:season>4</podcast:season><itunes:summary>In Kenneth’s family all of siblings were adoptees, each fostered in their parents home before their adoption were made final. That scenario worked out great for Kenneth, but not so much so for his oldest sister who never bonded with their mother. Seeking reunion, Kenneth carefully approached his half-sister and learned the truth about his brith mother’s institutionalization…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>082 – The Only Thing That Divides Us Is The Mississippi</title><itunes:title>082 – The Only Thing That Divides Us Is The Mississippi</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Ann has an array of&nbsp;experiences from being kidnapped briefly from her adopted family to learning she celebrated the wrong birth date for 22 years. She said&nbsp;she was raised not to question God’s plan in relation to her adoption — so she did so quietly.&nbsp;When she met her biological mother things started out well but turned and remain sour.&nbsp;Fortunately, her birth father’s easygoing acceptance was a welcome surprise that could not have come on a more special day for Ann.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1.64" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I want my Dad on my original birth certificate that myself and others in my shoes should not have to take an act of Congress for my birth certificate to uphold integrity. I should have the same right as anyone else? Adoption certificates should never become birth certificates. Original birth certificates should always maintain and hold the truth.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.81" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.18" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Ann. She called me from Salem, Oregon Ann has an array of experiences from being kidnapped briefly from her adopted family when she was little, to learning she celebrated the wrong birth date for 22 years. When she met her biological mother, things started out well but turned and remain sour. Fortunately, her birth fathers easygoing acceptance was a welcome surprise that could not have come on a more special day for Ann. This is Ann’s journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=92.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:32</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Ann was born in Portland, Oregon. At her birth, she had low birth weight because she hadn’t had any prenatal care. Babies were not allowed to leave the hospital until they reached a certain goal weight. So Ann stayed in the hospital until she was strong enough to go into foster care. She told me her parents who had already adopted a boy, were intending to adopt another boy when they were offered a chance to host Ann for a weekend, while her foster family got a respite. Apparently, the presence of a little girl pleased her mother so much that her mother fell in love. Ann’s father agreed they could adopt Ann instead of a boy. Ann was raised to be active in her community in Lake Oswego. She was in blue bird and campfire girls and had a pretty good childhood. She has friends from those days that she’s still in touch with today, but she has some dark memories from those times too.</p><p>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=146.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:26</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was kidnapped by a lady and she actually was really nice and I remember her telling me that she wasn’t going to take me home and I told her I had to go home. Um, that, you know, my brothers and my mom was really gonna miss me and I needed to be home before the streetlights got on. And so I finally cried and ate another snack cause she was giving me snacks and having conversations with me. And finally I convinced her to take me home. She did not drop me off at my front door. She dropped me off at the top of the street. I was not supposed to pass the second house at the top of the street, but she dropped me off at the first house at the top of the street. And then I had to run home and told my mom, you know, I was gone, were you looking for me? Kind of a thing. That I had to pass the second house because the Nice Lady had dropped me off at the first house that the top of the street. And so my mother was very upset. We were taught not to talk to strangers, we were taught not to go with strangers. So I did kind of get in trouble for that. But that’s the first time I had heard the word biological. And I had no idea. That’s an awfully big word for a 4 year old and I wasn’t sure what my mom was talking about, some biological mom, because my mom was right with me. So it really didn’t apply to me. You know, when, um, I was already a little bit in hot water for going with the stranger. Anyways, I wasn’t going to ask any questions.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=249.09" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The woman pulled her car over to speak with little Ann who chatted with the woman through her passenger side window. The woman told her that her mother said to get in the car and it was okay. Ann told the woman she was not allowed to get in the car with strangers.</p><p>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=263.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:23</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She said, oh honey, I’m not a stranger.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=266.13" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:26</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The woman put her car in park, got out and helped little Ann into the passenger seat and they drove away. She took her about a mile away to the local grocery store. Then they went to a house right across the street from the playground at her kindergarten.</p><p>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=281.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:41</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And the reason I know this so well is because when I was in kindergarten, in the afternoon class, I was playing with all my new friends in my class and you know, having a good time. And that lady showed up again and I saw her again and she was at the fence and asked me to come with her and I said, I can’t, I’m with my friends right now and I’m not supposed to go with strangers. She said, I really want you to come with me. I love you. And I went back and played. I mean I ran, I remember, you know, I was in a little bit of hot water for going with her in the first place and now I was scared, you know? And so I ran and then the bell rings. So we all had to go into class and then I never saw that lady again.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=323.35" rel="noopener noreferrer"...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann has an array of&nbsp;experiences from being kidnapped briefly from her adopted family to learning she celebrated the wrong birth date for 22 years. She said&nbsp;she was raised not to question God’s plan in relation to her adoption — so she did so quietly.&nbsp;When she met her biological mother things started out well but turned and remain sour.&nbsp;Fortunately, her birth father’s easygoing acceptance was a welcome surprise that could not have come on a more special day for Ann.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1.64" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I want my Dad on my original birth certificate that myself and others in my shoes should not have to take an act of Congress for my birth certificate to uphold integrity. I should have the same right as anyone else? Adoption certificates should never become birth certificates. Original birth certificates should always maintain and hold the truth.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.81" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.18" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Ann. She called me from Salem, Oregon Ann has an array of experiences from being kidnapped briefly from her adopted family when she was little, to learning she celebrated the wrong birth date for 22 years. When she met her biological mother, things started out well but turned and remain sour. Fortunately, her birth fathers easygoing acceptance was a welcome surprise that could not have come on a more special day for Ann. This is Ann’s journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=92.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:32</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Ann was born in Portland, Oregon. At her birth, she had low birth weight because she hadn’t had any prenatal care. Babies were not allowed to leave the hospital until they reached a certain goal weight. So Ann stayed in the hospital until she was strong enough to go into foster care. She told me her parents who had already adopted a boy, were intending to adopt another boy when they were offered a chance to host Ann for a weekend, while her foster family got a respite. Apparently, the presence of a little girl pleased her mother so much that her mother fell in love. Ann’s father agreed they could adopt Ann instead of a boy. Ann was raised to be active in her community in Lake Oswego. She was in blue bird and campfire girls and had a pretty good childhood. She has friends from those days that she’s still in touch with today, but she has some dark memories from those times too.</p><p>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=146.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:26</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was kidnapped by a lady and she actually was really nice and I remember her telling me that she wasn’t going to take me home and I told her I had to go home. Um, that, you know, my brothers and my mom was really gonna miss me and I needed to be home before the streetlights got on. And so I finally cried and ate another snack cause she was giving me snacks and having conversations with me. And finally I convinced her to take me home. She did not drop me off at my front door. She dropped me off at the top of the street. I was not supposed to pass the second house at the top of the street, but she dropped me off at the first house at the top of the street. And then I had to run home and told my mom, you know, I was gone, were you looking for me? Kind of a thing. That I had to pass the second house because the Nice Lady had dropped me off at the first house that the top of the street. And so my mother was very upset. We were taught not to talk to strangers, we were taught not to go with strangers. So I did kind of get in trouble for that. But that’s the first time I had heard the word biological. And I had no idea. That’s an awfully big word for a 4 year old and I wasn’t sure what my mom was talking about, some biological mom, because my mom was right with me. So it really didn’t apply to me. You know, when, um, I was already a little bit in hot water for going with the stranger. Anyways, I wasn’t going to ask any questions.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=249.09" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The woman pulled her car over to speak with little Ann who chatted with the woman through her passenger side window. The woman told her that her mother said to get in the car and it was okay. Ann told the woman she was not allowed to get in the car with strangers.</p><p>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=263.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:23</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She said, oh honey, I’m not a stranger.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=266.13" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:26</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The woman put her car in park, got out and helped little Ann into the passenger seat and they drove away. She took her about a mile away to the local grocery store. Then they went to a house right across the street from the playground at her kindergarten.</p><p>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=281.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:41</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And the reason I know this so well is because when I was in kindergarten, in the afternoon class, I was playing with all my new friends in my class and you know, having a good time. And that lady showed up again and I saw her again and she was at the fence and asked me to come with her and I said, I can’t, I’m with my friends right now and I’m not supposed to go with strangers. She said, I really want you to come with me. I love you. And I went back and played. I mean I ran, I remember, you know, I was in a little bit of hot water for going with her in the first place and now I was scared, you know? And so I ran and then the bell rings. So we all had to go into class and then I never saw that lady again.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=323.35" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:23</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh my gosh, that is really scary. She came back. That’s unbelievable.</p><p>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=328.69" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:28</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Mhm, I was just like, holy smokes. You know, I don’t even know who this lady was, but I remembered that my mother had said a word, a big word, biological mother. But I had my mom, so I didn’t know, still really what was going on</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=345.85" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:45</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;later as an adult Ann was working on a safety committee at the Oregon State Hospital an hour away from Oswego. For you movie buffs, Oregon State Hospital was the facility used to film, the Oscar Award Winning 1975 film, One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, with Jack Nicholson. Ann and her friend Janet, who also worked there, realized they had both lived in Lake Oswego. So Janet started asking about people Ann knew, like whether she knew Janet’s son. Ann couldn’t remember him. So Janet tried to help Ann orient to where she had lived in Lake Oswego. Janet lived on Ann’s street</p><p>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=385.34" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:25</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;and she tells me where she lived and I just froze in my seat. I said, well, which house did you live in? And I said, Janet, I said, you’re not going to believe this. I said, I went to a lady’s house in the fourth or fifth house. She, I believe, said that she lived in the sixth house. And, um, I said I was kidnapped by a lady and I can tell you that exact floor plan to this day. And she said, oh my gosh, you know, I said, Janet. I said, do you remember that? She said, I do remember that, Ann.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=421.13" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;she was the next door neighbor of the person who kidnapped you?</p><p>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=425.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, I couldn’t believe that. I was just like, oh, for heaven sakes. So of course, you know, I got all flustered at this meeting. Couldn’t keep my eye on the meeting, you know, just the shock. I mean, I was just like, oh, I got to get over this, you know, holy smokes. You know, can’t believe I just told the coworker I was kidnap kind of a thing, but it’s not my burden to carry.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=446.51" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:26</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, that’s right. It’s you. You didn’t kidnap yourself. Someone else did that to you. So, wow, that’s astonishing. What, you are right. It is a small world. That’s crazy. I’ve never had an experience speaking with someone who was kidnapped. So I was curious to know if, after such a jarring experience at such a young age, she was ever triggered as an adult by the kidnapping experience.</p><p>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=469.6" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:49</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, it did and I’ll tell you, I put it out of my mind for a long time. I remembered that I had to go to the doctors and be seen by a doctor and um, they told my mother that raised me, my adoptive mother, that I was too young and that I would never remember that. Well, I met my birth mother and um, biological, even as an adult was still a big word. But I did find out that I was yes, indeed adopted because my parents had said it over and over, like at church and different things. And I just knew that I wasn’t to question about it because God wanted them to raise me. Who was I to question God. And so I questioned him quietly is what I did.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=517.74" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:37</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. I was puzzled about the part of Ann’s kidnapping story where her mother mentioned the word biological. When I asked Ann why she thought her mother used the word biological in the context of her kidnapping, she really didn’t know. She was too young to know what the word meant, only about four years old and she was already in a lot of hot water for leaving with the stranger, so she didn’t ask any questions. Ann said that it wasn’t until her teen years when she clearly understood her status as an adoptee.</p><p>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=549.99" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;At church, my parents would introduce, well, here’s my son, here’s my other son, here’s our adoptive daughter, and so when it works, I don’t want to say in their benefit but when it was appropriate for them to use the word adopted then it was okay, but I wasn’t to use the word.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=574.07" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I asked Ann about her brothers. She said one is 10 years younger than herself and when he was born, despite all of her prayers to God for a sister, she was very unhappy to learn, he was going to be a boy. Her older brother, also an adoptee, did all of the siblings stuff that led to good play times, but since he was older, he often got her into trouble too. He would put her up to stuff then Ann would get caught and she would have to take the rap. You know how it is with siblings. When I asked Ann about her desire to search for her biological relatives, she said her desire shown through when she was about 10 years old in 1979.</p><p>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/AvYxAT3F3ixvI2RxG8wpXsO58EU3IYHFqFwSES5E-OLvXbIwOaATJijUYZZGWGSB5IZBrsOyo0vuTNaN8h_OrAtQZLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=612.42" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>10:12</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well yeah, my friend brought it to my attention, just a year ago, when I found my birth dad. Actually she had written him a message, um, letting him know, you know, when we were young, we were in fourth grade, so we were 10 years old approximately. Her and I were the two adoptive kids and we still weren’t supposed to talk about it. She wasn’t supposed to,...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/082-the-only-thing-that-divides-us-is-the-mississippi]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2368</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2023 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/295d7eec-2be1-4981-86ea-b079a6bf51cb/081-ive-got-the-world-by-the-tail-final.mp3" length="44631756" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>46:29</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>4</itunes:season><itunes:episode>82</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>82</podcast:episode><podcast:season>4</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Ann has an array of experiences from being kidnapped briefly from her adopted family to learning she celebrated the wrong birth date for 22 years. She said she was raised not to question God’s plan in relation to her adoption — so she did so quietly. When she met her biological mother things started out well but turned…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>072 – Amazing Intuition, One Cousin Connection</title><itunes:title>072 – Amazing Intuition, One Cousin Connection</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Recalling her early family life, Ann said she felt like her parents were sucked into feeling like they had to have a family, and&nbsp;while they were focused on creating a better world in their professional lives, that didn’t necessarily translate to their home life. She always had the feeling her parents cared more about appearances than about who their children were in their uniqueness. Ann sought out her birth mother, but found her maternal grandmother instead.&nbsp;The woman’s&nbsp;receptivity to Ann’s return seemed to be a good sign but ended with secondary rejection. There has only been one cousin who has accepted Ann into her life, and that’s because she’s distanced herself from the family too.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=4.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If that was her, if that was your upbringing, and then all of a sudden union happens in Georgetown poor thing. she gets shuttled off to a home for unwed mother that I’ve also researched and it just looks almost slave like, so yeah, I have a whole lot more empathy and compassion and I really feel for the fact that she had such a societal burden to bear,</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.92" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I in mind?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.21" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on Today’s show is Ann she lives in West Virginia. Recalling her early family life. She said she felt like her parents were sucked into feeling like they had to have a family and while they were focused on creating a better world in their professional lives that didn’t necessarily translate into their home life. Ann sought out her birth mother, but found her maternal grandmother instead. The woman’s receptivity to Ann’s return seem to be a good sign, but ended with secondary rejection. There has only been one cousin who has accepted Ann into her life and that’s because she’s distanced herself from the family too. This is Ann’s journey</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=99.461" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:39</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Ann said she learned she was adopted when she was four years old. Her friend Jenny was at her house when Ann’s mother decided to tell her that she was adopted, but Jenny was not. Ann’s mom neglected to clearly explain that Ann was not born from her own womb, so Ann thought that her mother was saying the reverse was true. She thought Jenny was not born from her mother’s womb. Ann and her sister, also an adoptee who is a year and a half younger than herself, discovered what it meant together. Their family moved overseas to Brazil where they got a reality check on the course openness with which people inquired about their adoptions.</p><p>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=137.63" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:17</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The expatriate community was much smaller and sort of more in your face and when we told people we were adopted, it was always met with “who is your real family, who’s your real mother?” And so after a couple of years of dodging that and feeling kind of inferior about our adoption, we made a pact, my sister and I, that we just wouldn’t tell anybody anymore that we were adopted because we didn’t like we didn’t like the questions</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=166.781" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:46</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Ann describes her family as socially committed and one that presented great educational experiences and provided for them financially and intellectually in every way, but they could have been better about providing emotional support and said she feels like when she and her sister were adopted in the 1950s, societal norms dictated that a couple should have children and be a family, but she’s not sure they want it to be parents. They were very concerned about making the world a better place through their work in the foreign service and social work. But that didn’t necessarily translate into making a strong family. When I asked Ann what she meant by that, she be called a story from when she was 16 and her sister was 15 and her sister had gotten pregnant.</p><p>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=210.95" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:30</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And the first reaction from my mother was, who have you told? And my father’s first reaction was how often does this sort of thing happen and who knows?` So it was um, it was, it was about the exterior,</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=232.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:52</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;it was about the perception in the community, not about the welfare of your sister.</p><p>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=237.34" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:57</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Exactly. Right. So I ended up being the one that cared for her during her decision making.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=243.11" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So what was it like then for you to sort of see them witnessed their daughter be pregnant, not really provide any emotional support and be completely about what the community was like, like what is your, how did you feel about your parents at that time? Do you recall?</p><p>New Speaker:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=259.48" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:19</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, I felt then and frequently through my upbringing that they cared more about what, what people thought rather than who we were. I don’t think that they were prepared as people to really understand and cherish who, who we were in our specialness or...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recalling her early family life, Ann said she felt like her parents were sucked into feeling like they had to have a family, and&nbsp;while they were focused on creating a better world in their professional lives, that didn’t necessarily translate to their home life. She always had the feeling her parents cared more about appearances than about who their children were in their uniqueness. Ann sought out her birth mother, but found her maternal grandmother instead.&nbsp;The woman’s&nbsp;receptivity to Ann’s return seemed to be a good sign but ended with secondary rejection. There has only been one cousin who has accepted Ann into her life, and that’s because she’s distanced herself from the family too.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=4.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If that was her, if that was your upbringing, and then all of a sudden union happens in Georgetown poor thing. she gets shuttled off to a home for unwed mother that I’ve also researched and it just looks almost slave like, so yeah, I have a whole lot more empathy and compassion and I really feel for the fact that she had such a societal burden to bear,</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.92" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I in mind?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.21" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on Today’s show is Ann she lives in West Virginia. Recalling her early family life. She said she felt like her parents were sucked into feeling like they had to have a family and while they were focused on creating a better world in their professional lives that didn’t necessarily translate into their home life. Ann sought out her birth mother, but found her maternal grandmother instead. The woman’s receptivity to Ann’s return seem to be a good sign, but ended with secondary rejection. There has only been one cousin who has accepted Ann into her life and that’s because she’s distanced herself from the family too. This is Ann’s journey</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=99.461" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:39</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Ann said she learned she was adopted when she was four years old. Her friend Jenny was at her house when Ann’s mother decided to tell her that she was adopted, but Jenny was not. Ann’s mom neglected to clearly explain that Ann was not born from her own womb, so Ann thought that her mother was saying the reverse was true. She thought Jenny was not born from her mother’s womb. Ann and her sister, also an adoptee who is a year and a half younger than herself, discovered what it meant together. Their family moved overseas to Brazil where they got a reality check on the course openness with which people inquired about their adoptions.</p><p>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=137.63" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:17</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The expatriate community was much smaller and sort of more in your face and when we told people we were adopted, it was always met with “who is your real family, who’s your real mother?” And so after a couple of years of dodging that and feeling kind of inferior about our adoption, we made a pact, my sister and I, that we just wouldn’t tell anybody anymore that we were adopted because we didn’t like we didn’t like the questions</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=166.781" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:46</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Ann describes her family as socially committed and one that presented great educational experiences and provided for them financially and intellectually in every way, but they could have been better about providing emotional support and said she feels like when she and her sister were adopted in the 1950s, societal norms dictated that a couple should have children and be a family, but she’s not sure they want it to be parents. They were very concerned about making the world a better place through their work in the foreign service and social work. But that didn’t necessarily translate into making a strong family. When I asked Ann what she meant by that, she be called a story from when she was 16 and her sister was 15 and her sister had gotten pregnant.</p><p>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=210.95" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:30</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And the first reaction from my mother was, who have you told? And my father’s first reaction was how often does this sort of thing happen and who knows?` So it was um, it was, it was about the exterior,</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=232.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:52</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;it was about the perception in the community, not about the welfare of your sister.</p><p>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=237.34" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:57</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Exactly. Right. So I ended up being the one that cared for her during her decision making.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=243.11" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So what was it like then for you to sort of see them witnessed their daughter be pregnant, not really provide any emotional support and be completely about what the community was like, like what is your, how did you feel about your parents at that time? Do you recall?</p><p>New Speaker:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=259.48" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:19</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, I felt then and frequently through my upbringing that they cared more about what, what people thought rather than who we were. I don’t think that they were prepared as people to really understand and cherish who, who we were in our specialness or differentness</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=277.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:37</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I got you. And how were you guys special and different?</p><p>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=281.09" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:41</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, my younger sister is no longer alive. She succumbed to drug abuse very early on and really never kicked it. But how was she special? She was get an amazing sense of humor and amazing ability to sort of see, um, before anybody else. Did</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=306.07" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:06</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If I may, did her drug abuse come from the time after her pregnancy or do you, do you get the impression that she was already down that path?</p><p>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=315.32" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:15</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think ninth grade for her was a, was a, was a very important turning into a very dark future.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=324.56" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:24</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And was that the time that she was pregnant?</p><p>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=327.24" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:27</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=328.07" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:28</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. How were you then? If you were the caregiver and your sister is on a path towards abuse, what was your sort of social situation and your level of responsibility? Tell me about you as a kid.</p><p>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=344.96" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:44</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, Until That same year I was kind of considered the bad kid because I was the one who acted out the one who, as my father said, I ran away from home as soon as I learned to walk, I was the one who I was the one who was always getting lost, but at that point that year we switched and I became the, the good student and she became the bad student. And I became, um, sort of, in my opinion, the truth teller a, but it was not accepted. So when I found the drugs, um, for example, one time in her room and I shared them with my parents, I was the one who was reprimanded for snooping and she was the one who got off with an excuse about diabetic friends.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=391.87" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;wow, really. So they enabled her, from early</p><p>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=394.74" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. Yeah.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=396.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Fast forwarding to adulthood and set. Her sister moved in with their mother, but it was clear her sister was taking advantage of their mother and documented the depletion of her mother’s bank account. And there were strangers coming to the front door. One of them wielding a gun. Annf Was forced to take over guardianship of their mother and kicked her sister out.</p><p>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=417.96" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:57</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;At one point when this was happening, my sister basically, whatever happened to unconditional love? So I think, for her supporting her behavior was all about test of love because she never really felt the love she needed.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=435.99" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:15</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Sometimes that happens, people push and push to try to find the boundary for where their loved ones won’t love them anymore. At least love as they’ve defined it, given what she had been through with her sister and her own adoption Ann decided at 18 years old to dedicate her life to reproductive rights, family planning, and had a multi decade career in public health</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=458.61" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:38</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;and was that a direct result of her pregnancy?</p><p>Ann:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/sYi3sdNcQ6mcMWNb_tADeTQkKwQ0qGcbxveIDqw9VHBdwlXr8R9aOaqbchZyv7u2SuXaA7qmCRNiyCXRgL1zFHabw4k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=462.66" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:42</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well I think its a result of that and I think it also goes back to my adoption. My birth mother had no choice and I’ve always thought it was interesting when people say, well, I wouldn’t have been born, and I’m like, does that really matter? In the big scheme of things, it’s really]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/072-amazing-intuition-one-cousin-connection-2]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2236</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2023 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/b2c05327-14cb-4f89-b6dc-c214be57b4c8/072-amazing-intuition-one-cousin-connection-final.mp3" length="30294028" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>31:33</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>3</itunes:season><itunes:episode>72</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>72</podcast:episode><podcast:season>3</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Recalling her early family life, Ann said she felt like her parents were sucked into feeling like they had to have a family, and while they were focused on creating a better world in their professional lives, that didn’t necessarily translate to their home life. She always had the feeling her parents cared more about appearances…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>060 – Its Like Ripping The Wounds Off Over And Over</title><itunes:title>060 – Its Like Ripping The Wounds Off Over And Over</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Alisa describes her life as the child of Latvian refugees who escaped the brutality and destruction&nbsp;of World War II.&nbsp;They raised Alisa in the ways of their heritage and while she identifies with her community and her&nbsp;upbringing, she&nbsp;admits she struggled with being an imposter.&nbsp;In reunion, her birth parents had an odd request for her that I’ve never heard before, and that she wasn’t comfortable fulfilling.&nbsp;Over time she&nbsp;began to feel like a disappointment to&nbsp;them.&nbsp;Thankfully, in the middle of it all, Alisa was able to express her love and gratitude to her adopted father before losing him&nbsp;suddenly.</p><p><a href="\&quot;#\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Alisa:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=5.35\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I told him before he died and I didn’t know he was gonna die. Said, you are the only dad has ever had. You’re my dad I loved him and I really am glad I said that because he died of a sudden heart attack about a month later. I was really, really fortunate that I was able to say that you did make me rethink, you know, the importance of letting people know how much you care about them. She never know what will be your last chance.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.98\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.22\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Alisa. She spoke with me from Lincoln, Nebraska. Alisa described her life as the child of refugees from the brutality and destruction of World War II. They raised Alisa in the ways of their heritage and while she identifies with their community and her upbringing, she admits she struggled with being an imposter in reunion her birthparents had an odd request for her that I’ve never heard before and that she wasn’t comfortable fulfilling. Over time, she began to feel like a disappointment to them. Thankfully in the middle of it all, Alisa was able to express her love and gratitude to her adopted father before losing him. Suddenly, this is Alisa’s journey. Alisa was adopted by Latvian parents lot via is a small country on the Baltic Sea, opposite of the famously neutral country of Sweden and west of the notorious Russia in the 1940s Latvia by force under Soviet control and hundreds of thousands of people fled to other countries. Alisa’s parents among them.</p><p>Alisa:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=128.21\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:08</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;They flooded in different ways. And then she wound up in the camps in Germany, um, shortly after that until it was freed and they came over in 1950 on the other hand, was quite wealthy after he watched his dad’s twin brother get shot down by Russians right in front of him. They buried all their silver, like most Latvians did, hoping that they would turn back some day and ran and they sold watches off to their bodies, did whatever they could work, odd jobs throughout different places in Europe and until they wound up in the camps for the last year before it was freed.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=170.01\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh my gosh. What a hard way to start life.</p><p>Alisa:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=174.32\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:54</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, so I don’t fault them for everything they could have done better but</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=180.6\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;yeah, yeah.</p><p>Alisa:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=181.45\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;They didn’t have an easy start either. So that being said, being adopted by them and being raised in a Latvian community with a fairly large Latvian community I always kind of felt like an outsider and like a fraud because my first language was Latvian.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=197.98\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:17</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You felt like a fraud community or in the United States speaking Latvian.</p><p>Alisa:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=203.87\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:23</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That’s an interesting question because it kind of has multiple levels as far as that goes because it’s strange anyway. Being a refugee, you never quite fit in. I mean, that’s what’s been so interesting with my, my adoptive parents as I understand that some of what they feel and what they felt in their lives being my dad when he died, he was the last living relative and his family, they were all pretty much killed during World War II. His parents made it over here with them, but they died before I was born. So, you know, the, my dad and I definitely had a close relationship because he understood some of what I was going through and I understood sort of, you know, what he was going through that, um, as far as being a fraud in the community. Yeah. When you’re hanging out with growing up with all these kids that are all fluent in Latvian and doing all the Latvian summer camps and their families are all just. They’re all happy families. And I not only work, not Latvian, even though I was raised Latvian, I also hadn’t talked to her brother who was a handful and he was also adopted and had alcohol, fetal alcohol syndrome, and he was very violent and caused a lot of problems. So we kind of stuck out like a sore from for, you know, for a number of reasons.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=289.08\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer"...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alisa describes her life as the child of Latvian refugees who escaped the brutality and destruction&nbsp;of World War II.&nbsp;They raised Alisa in the ways of their heritage and while she identifies with her community and her&nbsp;upbringing, she&nbsp;admits she struggled with being an imposter.&nbsp;In reunion, her birth parents had an odd request for her that I’ve never heard before, and that she wasn’t comfortable fulfilling.&nbsp;Over time she&nbsp;began to feel like a disappointment to&nbsp;them.&nbsp;Thankfully, in the middle of it all, Alisa was able to express her love and gratitude to her adopted father before losing him&nbsp;suddenly.</p><p><a href="\&quot;#\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Alisa:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=5.35\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I told him before he died and I didn’t know he was gonna die. Said, you are the only dad has ever had. You’re my dad I loved him and I really am glad I said that because he died of a sudden heart attack about a month later. I was really, really fortunate that I was able to say that you did make me rethink, you know, the importance of letting people know how much you care about them. She never know what will be your last chance.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.98\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.22\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Alisa. She spoke with me from Lincoln, Nebraska. Alisa described her life as the child of refugees from the brutality and destruction of World War II. They raised Alisa in the ways of their heritage and while she identifies with their community and her upbringing, she admits she struggled with being an imposter in reunion her birthparents had an odd request for her that I’ve never heard before and that she wasn’t comfortable fulfilling. Over time, she began to feel like a disappointment to them. Thankfully in the middle of it all, Alisa was able to express her love and gratitude to her adopted father before losing him. Suddenly, this is Alisa’s journey. Alisa was adopted by Latvian parents lot via is a small country on the Baltic Sea, opposite of the famously neutral country of Sweden and west of the notorious Russia in the 1940s Latvia by force under Soviet control and hundreds of thousands of people fled to other countries. Alisa’s parents among them.</p><p>Alisa:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=128.21\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:08</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;They flooded in different ways. And then she wound up in the camps in Germany, um, shortly after that until it was freed and they came over in 1950 on the other hand, was quite wealthy after he watched his dad’s twin brother get shot down by Russians right in front of him. They buried all their silver, like most Latvians did, hoping that they would turn back some day and ran and they sold watches off to their bodies, did whatever they could work, odd jobs throughout different places in Europe and until they wound up in the camps for the last year before it was freed.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=170.01\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh my gosh. What a hard way to start life.</p><p>Alisa:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=174.32\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:54</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, so I don’t fault them for everything they could have done better but</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=180.6\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;yeah, yeah.</p><p>Alisa:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=181.45\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;They didn’t have an easy start either. So that being said, being adopted by them and being raised in a Latvian community with a fairly large Latvian community I always kind of felt like an outsider and like a fraud because my first language was Latvian.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=197.98\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:17</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You felt like a fraud community or in the United States speaking Latvian.</p><p>Alisa:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=203.87\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:23</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That’s an interesting question because it kind of has multiple levels as far as that goes because it’s strange anyway. Being a refugee, you never quite fit in. I mean, that’s what’s been so interesting with my, my adoptive parents as I understand that some of what they feel and what they felt in their lives being my dad when he died, he was the last living relative and his family, they were all pretty much killed during World War II. His parents made it over here with them, but they died before I was born. So, you know, the, my dad and I definitely had a close relationship because he understood some of what I was going through and I understood sort of, you know, what he was going through that, um, as far as being a fraud in the community. Yeah. When you’re hanging out with growing up with all these kids that are all fluent in Latvian and doing all the Latvian summer camps and their families are all just. They’re all happy families. And I not only work, not Latvian, even though I was raised Latvian, I also hadn’t talked to her brother who was a handful and he was also adopted and had alcohol, fetal alcohol syndrome, and he was very violent and caused a lot of problems. So we kind of stuck out like a sore from for, you know, for a number of reasons.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=289.08\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:49</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, because it sounds like what you’re saying is he was troublesome both in the household and in the community and therefore your family took out because of his behavior.</p><p>Alisa:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=299.71\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:59</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;We actually stopped going to social things because of some comments that have been made about my brother and made my mom uncomfortable so she didn’t want to go anymore. So we’re kind of removed from it later on when I was maybe around 10. So I was already being withdrawn out of a community that I thought was mine that even so still is somewhat of a fraud in just so many layers on top of layers of different levels.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=326.73\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:26</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So at 10 years old, Alisa’s family began to withdraw from the tight knit community because of the comments and perceptions of her adopted brothers behavior. I asked Alisa about how she identified with the Latvian culture as an adoptee because there was a good chance that wasn’t her actual heritage. She said she still identifies as Latvian to this day, engaging in online communities wearing traditional jewelry and buying the folk art. She grew up in the Lutheran church, which adds a layer of complexity to her journey because she married a Jewish man</p><p>Alisa:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=360.76\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That sort of further distance from the church, I think in some ways. Yeah, I can imagine both my kids Jewish, so let’s just see how many ways we can isolate onseself. I just thought about this. You know, I’m an adopted kid in Lincoln, Nebraska, adopted by two Latvian refugees. who’s decided to raise my kids Jewish and also be vegetarian.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=386.72\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:26</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah.</p><p>Alisa:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=387.29\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:27</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;How many ways can we just make this complicated? I didn’t intend to do any of this</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=392\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:32</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;for whatever reason. I was a little curious about how elise has also decided to be a vegetarian growing up in the Midwest She’s seen the treatment of the animals and finds the slaughterhouses disgusting. She be called a time when she was a teenager when her mother made a steak for dinner, Alisa cut into the meat, blood squirted out, and that sealed it for her vegetarianism from then on with some occasional pescatarian meals from time to time. I also wondered how Alisa’s parents made her feel comfortable and adoption, especially in light of her brother’s behavior as brought on by fetal alcohol syndrome. She said they didn’t talk about adoption much at all. As a matter of fact, her brother was so challenging for her parents. He drew their attention away from Alisa, leaving her to fend for herself. She remembers a story of her brother’s abuse when she was about seven years old</p><p>Alisa:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=444.44\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:24</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;In most ways. I raised myself because they were so consumed and busy dealing with my brother who’s three years older than me. They thought I was able to take care of myself, so I pretty much did quite often to be honest, and when he would physically hurt me or something, they would go after him and knowing what he would even checkt to see, how I was, and I don’t think it was really an. It wasn’t an intentional. I didn’t know it was upset or being mean to me. They were more worried about his issues than mine.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=478.01\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:58</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wow, that’s fascinating. So how would he hurt you?</p><p>Alisa:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=482.65\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh, like um One example, he threw a big metal truck at one of those big trucks or whatever they are, those big metal bulldozers are some things you had in the sandbox. They were metal and big and heavy and he went it at my back and of course I screamed really loud and my mom ran out to see what was happening and she ripped my shirt off and tells me to lay on the picnic table and runs in and I hear yelling at my brother and no one ever came back out to see what I was doing and laying on the picnic table going, oh, finally I just got up off the picnic table and I’m wearing nothing but a great, And went up to my room and it was never talked about a do.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=526.93\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:46</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Were they loving parents? Were they caring parents?</p><p>Alisa:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/p10pn-jN3842_PxAZFCJtI6UB-f1lj8qs1J1pyd6xCs0Mwvnewkx-zmiUUEC_T_lK5SZuLNaA_lPO03mEGQE37U1TqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=529.74\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:49</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think, um, I think that they did their best. I think they really tried. I know my mom wanted a big family. She wanted everything to be okay and block out before, living in the camp for seven years and that’s where she grew up. My Dad on the other hand was very busy photo journalist traveling and when he was there, he was there. He and I had a great relationship, but he didn’t do a whole lot to raise me.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/060-its-like-ripping-the-wounds-off-over-and-over]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2081</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2023 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d8b20496-076e-4cc2-8a89-7cdab538449f/060-its-like-ripping-the-wounds-off-over-and-over-final.mp3" length="38329719" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>39:56</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>60</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>60</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Alisa describes her life as the child of Latvian refugees who escaped the brutality and destruction of World War II. They raised Alisa in the ways of their heritage and while she identifies with her community and her upbringing, she admits she struggled with being an imposter. In reunion, her birth parents had an odd request for her that I’ve…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>056 – I Feel Whole… Finding Him Was The Key</title><itunes:title>056 – I Feel Whole… Finding Him Was The Key</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Every day Leslie’s birth mother called the orphanage where she was left for adoption. So when Leslie located her birth mother 30 years ago, then tried again to connect with her six years ago, it was shocking that the woman wanted no contact with her. Leslie’s birth mother left her with no clues about her birth father’s identity, but DNA helped her settle the mystery. It turned out that the closure Leslie need came from&nbsp;meeting her birth father, whom she simply calls Dad.</p><p><a href="\&quot;#\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Leslie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.87\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She’s had a lot of time to make all the choices and I’m now in control and so I will be calling my siblings unless she would like to do that and I think it would be better coming from her, so I’m giving her one week and then I’m calling them.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=23.23\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:23</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=34.52\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Leslie. I spoke with her from her home in Spokane, Washington. Leslie tells the story of locating her birth mother nearly 30 years ago. Then trying to connect with her again more recently it was baffling to everyone involved why the woman was so distant, especially given that Leslie knew about how thoughtful the woman had been when she was born. Unfortunately, their reunion left, Leslie feeling empty, especially because she walked away with no clues as to her birth father’s identity. Luckily DNA testing opened new doors to discovering her paternal connections, allowing her to finally feel the wholeness she sought in reunion. This is Leslie’s journey. Leslie spent seven months in an orphanage in spokane after her birth. Listen to the story her adopted mother tells about her early life.</p><p>Leslie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=99.51\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:39</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was born in Spokane, Washington. My birth mother was from Montana and she was an unwed mother and she had me and then I was put into basically, which at the time in ’69, it was like an orphanage and I was in there for seven months prior to my adoption and so my birth mother used to call every single day to see if I had been adopted. So when my parents adopted me, my mom told me that she felt very sorry for me because they were really understaffed so they didn’t hold, you know, all the babies and so when they would feed me they would just prop the bottle with a pillow. And so she said, you were kind of a little nervous purvis when we first got you. Um like, you would make my hands bleed, holding your bottle because it was like your only security and you, um, have, you weren’t doing things at seven months old that normal babies were like holding up their head and that kind of thing.</p><p>Leslie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=160.68\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:40</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So she said I just loved the up and down and you just kinda started blossoming right in front of our eyes. So she gets me and I have two other siblings that were naturally born to my parents. And so then we adopted my brother who’s younger than me. And then my mom had one more child by natural born. So two of us of the five are adopted and my mom always made it seem like, you know, I was super lucky because they got to pick me and they got stuck with their other, she would say cute little things like that that would, you know, try to make me feel better about being adopted.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=196.35\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:16</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Leslie had adoption in common with a few of her peers growing up. But it was the non-adoptees, who found out she was adopted, that made things really weird.</p><p>Leslie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=205.36\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:25</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Most people would, when they found out that I was adopted, they’d say, Oh, I’m so sorry.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=210.26\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:30</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Really?</p><p>Leslie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=210.26\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:30</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And I was like, why are you sorry?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=215.44\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;How did that make you feel when you heard that from them?</p><p>Leslie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=218.8\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:38</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, I mean at the time I was just like, well that’s, you know, I’m not sorry, at least I’ve got a family that loves me and you know, that I’m a part of. So, people’s comments never really impacted me too much. But internally I always had a very strong yearning to find my birth mother. I didn’t give much thought to the birth father for whatever reason, but I just.. And my Mom said, when you’re 18 we’ll do it we’re going to do it. And so..</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=249.67\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer"...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every day Leslie’s birth mother called the orphanage where she was left for adoption. So when Leslie located her birth mother 30 years ago, then tried again to connect with her six years ago, it was shocking that the woman wanted no contact with her. Leslie’s birth mother left her with no clues about her birth father’s identity, but DNA helped her settle the mystery. It turned out that the closure Leslie need came from&nbsp;meeting her birth father, whom she simply calls Dad.</p><p><a href="\&quot;#\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Leslie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.87\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She’s had a lot of time to make all the choices and I’m now in control and so I will be calling my siblings unless she would like to do that and I think it would be better coming from her, so I’m giving her one week and then I’m calling them.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=23.23\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:23</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=34.52\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Leslie. I spoke with her from her home in Spokane, Washington. Leslie tells the story of locating her birth mother nearly 30 years ago. Then trying to connect with her again more recently it was baffling to everyone involved why the woman was so distant, especially given that Leslie knew about how thoughtful the woman had been when she was born. Unfortunately, their reunion left, Leslie feeling empty, especially because she walked away with no clues as to her birth father’s identity. Luckily DNA testing opened new doors to discovering her paternal connections, allowing her to finally feel the wholeness she sought in reunion. This is Leslie’s journey. Leslie spent seven months in an orphanage in spokane after her birth. Listen to the story her adopted mother tells about her early life.</p><p>Leslie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=99.51\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:39</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was born in Spokane, Washington. My birth mother was from Montana and she was an unwed mother and she had me and then I was put into basically, which at the time in ’69, it was like an orphanage and I was in there for seven months prior to my adoption and so my birth mother used to call every single day to see if I had been adopted. So when my parents adopted me, my mom told me that she felt very sorry for me because they were really understaffed so they didn’t hold, you know, all the babies and so when they would feed me they would just prop the bottle with a pillow. And so she said, you were kind of a little nervous purvis when we first got you. Um like, you would make my hands bleed, holding your bottle because it was like your only security and you, um, have, you weren’t doing things at seven months old that normal babies were like holding up their head and that kind of thing.</p><p>Leslie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=160.68\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:40</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So she said I just loved the up and down and you just kinda started blossoming right in front of our eyes. So she gets me and I have two other siblings that were naturally born to my parents. And so then we adopted my brother who’s younger than me. And then my mom had one more child by natural born. So two of us of the five are adopted and my mom always made it seem like, you know, I was super lucky because they got to pick me and they got stuck with their other, she would say cute little things like that that would, you know, try to make me feel better about being adopted.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=196.35\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:16</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Leslie had adoption in common with a few of her peers growing up. But it was the non-adoptees, who found out she was adopted, that made things really weird.</p><p>Leslie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=205.36\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:25</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Most people would, when they found out that I was adopted, they’d say, Oh, I’m so sorry.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=210.26\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:30</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Really?</p><p>Leslie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=210.26\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:30</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And I was like, why are you sorry?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=215.44\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;How did that make you feel when you heard that from them?</p><p>Leslie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=218.8\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:38</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, I mean at the time I was just like, well that’s, you know, I’m not sorry, at least I’ve got a family that loves me and you know, that I’m a part of. So, people’s comments never really impacted me too much. But internally I always had a very strong yearning to find my birth mother. I didn’t give much thought to the birth father for whatever reason, but I just.. And my Mom said, when you’re 18 we’ll do it we’re going to do it. And so..</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=249.67\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So you had expressed it enough that she was comfortable with your idea to do so when you came of age?</p><p>Leslie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=257.41\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:17</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yes, and my family was always, all of them, very supportive of that and my mom would be like, oh, I can’t wait till she meets you and sees what a great person you turned out to be.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=266.61\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:26</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;When Leslie turned 18, the search began and her first impediment was her sealed adoption file. She wrote a letter to Catholic family services to try to get more information, but they were not permitted to release any details. Eventually, Leslie tracked down a third party advocate who worked for the Washington adoptee rights movement or WARM. For a $400 fee WARM, represented Leslie in court, citing medical reasons for her records to be unsealed. Nothing could be disclosed to her directly, but at least someone acting on her behalf had her records. Within a couple of weeks, the representative located Leslie’s birth mother in Maryland. Leslie wrote her introductory letter only including her own non identifying information.</p><p>Leslie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=314.3\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:14</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;and of course, that letter took me like a couple of weeks to write, because you know, I was so ecstatic that I was going to have an opportunity. I said, I’m not looking for anything. I just would like to have some medical background and if you’re open to it, I would love to have a relationship with you, but you know, and our contact can be a secret if you haven’t told anybody. I mean, I didn’t really know her situation and she wrote back to the lady, the intermediary lady and said, returned my pictures and said, don’t contact me further, I want nothing to do with this person, and she said, I have my own needs to satisfy. She, that was kind of a dead end because once my file was open and, the lady that did the search said, you know, maybe come to this support group that we have a big hospital here for adoptees, birth moms, and so I went one time, but it was really, really hard for me because everybody had really happy stories and she said, I’ve been doing these searches for 30 years and this is a first mother that has said no.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=380.32\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:20</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh Man. So what did you think when you got that back from. I mean, that must’ve been a tough call for you to hear from the intermediary.</p><p>Leslie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=386.51\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:26</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh, it was horrible. I mean, it was devastating. It was one of the lowest points in my life. I was just so distraught about it and I kept thinking, you know, why? And I had some choice words for her, like, oh my gosh, how could you do this to another human being? And My mom who raised me would say, you know, she called the hospital or the orphanage every single day for seven months. So we were just assuming that she would want to meet. But she didn’t.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=415.95\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:55</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wow. You’re right. That’s totally misleading.</p><p>Leslie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=419.16\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:59</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Totally misleading. Yeah.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=420.95\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Fast forward 20 years, and Leslie and her husband are out on a leisurely walk. Her husband asked,</p><p>Leslie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=427.98\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:07</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;so what’s your bucket list? And I’m like, I want to find my birth family. It’s just like a big hole in my stomach and I just, there’s nothing I can do to fill it.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=435.54\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:15</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The couple hired a private investigator who found her birth mother again. He learned that Leslie’s maternal grandmother had passed away and her birth mother had signed the death certificate, which told the detective the woman’s name</p><p>Leslie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=449.55\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:29</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;when we found it. My husband and I just got on the computer and started doing a lot of research and I found out that she had three kids. So I’m like, well, she asked me not to contact her ever again. So I’ll contact my siblings.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/DSlZIYfwp1e_xspR9Q-hGcmNZZbsteXpkJ9FAKurSnS_gheP9m89Q5hYOd5QnPw5H9lzsrhzS7UCJ-1W85CwEQQrgKY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=463.5\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:43</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Leslie’s siblings were also in Maryland. Her next closest sibling is six years younger than herself and the others are all within a few years of her own birth. Leslie’s nearly 50. So calculating their ages, she felt comfortable that she was reaching out to adults who likely had established lives of their own.</p><p>Leslie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/056-i-feel-whole-finding-him-was-the-key]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1987</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2023 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c08d15fb-98f8-484b-a8d2-2dda146cefc2/056-i-feel-wholefinding-him-was-the-key-final.mp3" length="30864961" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>32:09</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>56</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>56</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Every day Leslie’s birth mother called the orphanage where she was left for adoption. So when Leslie located her birth mother 30 years ago, then tried again to connect with her six years ago, it was shocking that the woman wanted no contact with her. Leslie’s birth mother left her with no clues about her…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>016 – Shall we Cry? No, Let’s Just Laugh!</title><itunes:title>016 – Shall we Cry? No, Let’s Just Laugh!</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer had a very happy childhood and always felt special because she was an adoptee; she knew her parents really wanted her.&nbsp;Their family was heavily involved with the Children’s Home Society in Los Angeles where her mother did fund-raising work. Jennifer so appreciated her loving&nbsp;parents for their lifetime of love and support, but&nbsp;as she got older, she had a feeling that she would be close to her birth mother and that she was likely more like her than her adopted mother. After her own son had a positive reunion experience with a daughter he fathered years ago, Jennifer decided she would make an an attempt at reunion herself. On pure luck she was given year’s worth of microfiche data that had her family tree’s information. Jennifer’s mother had always hoped for their&nbsp;reunion, and even welcomed Jennifer’s adopted brother into&nbsp;their&nbsp;family too.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/016-jennifer-p/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">016 – Shall we Cry? No, Let’s Just Laugh!</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.36" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:03</u></a>):</p><p>I personally feel like my contract with her as a soul was to get her out of that situation and her to give me a healthy body, which she has done.</p><p>Voices (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=18.88" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:18</u></a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.28" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:30</u></a>):</p><p>This is, Who Am I, Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. Hey, I'm Damon Davis and on the show today is Jennifer. She says she grew up perfectly happy as an adoptee and never really had a desire to search for her biological family. Jennifer says that her own children kind of pushed her to search because they were interested in their own biological heritage, but it wasn't quite enough to propel her forward. Then their family experienced the separate reunification that had been such a positive experience. Jennifer began to think perhaps she should seek out her own biological family too. She didn't think she'd have much success in her search because she had a closed adoption in California, but going online proved to be a highly efficient way to find way more than she bargained for. And very quickly too. Jennifer starts us off in the beginning of her journey. She always knew she was adopted and her family was heavily involved with the children's home society. So adoption was a comfortable topic in their home.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=98.9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:38</u></a>):</p><p>I always felt like, Oh, I'm adopted, I'm special. I felt very positive about it, you know, I know a lot of people don't, my brother didn't feel that way, but for me I was always, always fine with it.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=111.76" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:51</u></a>):</p><p>So what happened for you that made you decide to search. I mean you sound like you had a great upbringing. You are perfectly comfortable in adoption. So it wasn't as though there were some ringing alarms that were saying, Hey, you need to go look for somebody. What, what changed your mind or, or how did your mind develop into wanting to search?</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=131.72" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:11</u></a>):</p><p>Well, initially, um, my kids wanted to know their biological background and any medical things that, that, that might go on that they just didn't know about. And I said, Oh, well, all right, I guess I'll kind of make an effort. So I wrote a letter to the children's home society and said, if my mother ever wants to get in touch with me, please put her in touch with me. And of course, come to find out much later, my mother had written a similar letter, but they never put us in touch with each other.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=160.46" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:40</u></a>):</p><p>Oh no.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=161.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:41</u></a>):</p><p>That was before the time of internet. So you know, time went by. That was in my thirties, late twenties, early thirties, that I did that. But really I didn't have a big inclination to do that. But for some reason I had to call LA County records or something. And I called and this woman says, you have a sister that's looking for you. And I said, what? I just didn't really believe her because they can't tell you that stuff. So, um, I wrote down her name on a little scrap of paper and lost it. So I didn't, it just wasn't the right time in my life. I didn't really want to have to deal with all that, but it actually was my sister that did try to get in touch with me and she died before I met her. So it was unfortunate. But she was the next youngest sister and she did think she saw me once in San Diego cause she, I guess cause I look like the family.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=223.54" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:43</u></a>):</p><p>Is that right?</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=223.54" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:43</u></a>):</p><p>Its entirely possible cause that's where I lived and she lived at that same time. Anyway. Yeah. That's interesting. That's an aside story.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=231.46" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:51</u></a>):</p><p>The next time Jennifer really thought about reunion involved her son and his own reunion. He had fathered a child when he was a teenager and now the idea that a reunion could be a positive experience had motivated her a little more.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=244.09" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:04</u></a>):</p><p>I wasn't told for two years. And after that happens and um, you know, we all wrote letters to this child, this girl child, and put them in her attorney's office in case she ever wanted to find out more about our family. Well, the attorney's office burned down, so she never got any letters, but one of the people in her family knew the mother and she said, would you like to get in touch with your parents? And she said, when she was 19, 18, she said, yeah, I would. She got in touch with my son and I met her and I met my baby granddaughter that my son had just gotten married. I met them at the same time and it was such a positive experience. I thought, Oh my God, that's really great to know that I should maybe look for my mom again. Now the Internet's you know, functioning. So it was in, I don't know, maybe, Hmm. I can't remember. I'm bad on years.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=300.521" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:00</u></a>):</p><p>That's okay.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=302.05" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:02</u></a>):</p><p>In the later two thousands but it was about nine years ago that decided I'd sit down at the computer and inquire and in about 36 hours I had this whole family tree that was huge. Huge.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=316.44" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:16</u></a>):</p><p>How did you do that? I mean, you know, like you said, the internet is kind of immature not too long ago. How did you go about your search for them online?</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=325.36"...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer had a very happy childhood and always felt special because she was an adoptee; she knew her parents really wanted her.&nbsp;Their family was heavily involved with the Children’s Home Society in Los Angeles where her mother did fund-raising work. Jennifer so appreciated her loving&nbsp;parents for their lifetime of love and support, but&nbsp;as she got older, she had a feeling that she would be close to her birth mother and that she was likely more like her than her adopted mother. After her own son had a positive reunion experience with a daughter he fathered years ago, Jennifer decided she would make an an attempt at reunion herself. On pure luck she was given year’s worth of microfiche data that had her family tree’s information. Jennifer’s mother had always hoped for their&nbsp;reunion, and even welcomed Jennifer’s adopted brother into&nbsp;their&nbsp;family too.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/016-jennifer-p/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">016 – Shall we Cry? No, Let’s Just Laugh!</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.36" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:03</u></a>):</p><p>I personally feel like my contract with her as a soul was to get her out of that situation and her to give me a healthy body, which she has done.</p><p>Voices (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=18.88" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:18</u></a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.28" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:30</u></a>):</p><p>This is, Who Am I, Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. Hey, I'm Damon Davis and on the show today is Jennifer. She says she grew up perfectly happy as an adoptee and never really had a desire to search for her biological family. Jennifer says that her own children kind of pushed her to search because they were interested in their own biological heritage, but it wasn't quite enough to propel her forward. Then their family experienced the separate reunification that had been such a positive experience. Jennifer began to think perhaps she should seek out her own biological family too. She didn't think she'd have much success in her search because she had a closed adoption in California, but going online proved to be a highly efficient way to find way more than she bargained for. And very quickly too. Jennifer starts us off in the beginning of her journey. She always knew she was adopted and her family was heavily involved with the children's home society. So adoption was a comfortable topic in their home.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=98.9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:38</u></a>):</p><p>I always felt like, Oh, I'm adopted, I'm special. I felt very positive about it, you know, I know a lot of people don't, my brother didn't feel that way, but for me I was always, always fine with it.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=111.76" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:51</u></a>):</p><p>So what happened for you that made you decide to search. I mean you sound like you had a great upbringing. You are perfectly comfortable in adoption. So it wasn't as though there were some ringing alarms that were saying, Hey, you need to go look for somebody. What, what changed your mind or, or how did your mind develop into wanting to search?</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=131.72" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:11</u></a>):</p><p>Well, initially, um, my kids wanted to know their biological background and any medical things that, that, that might go on that they just didn't know about. And I said, Oh, well, all right, I guess I'll kind of make an effort. So I wrote a letter to the children's home society and said, if my mother ever wants to get in touch with me, please put her in touch with me. And of course, come to find out much later, my mother had written a similar letter, but they never put us in touch with each other.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=160.46" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:40</u></a>):</p><p>Oh no.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=161.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:41</u></a>):</p><p>That was before the time of internet. So you know, time went by. That was in my thirties, late twenties, early thirties, that I did that. But really I didn't have a big inclination to do that. But for some reason I had to call LA County records or something. And I called and this woman says, you have a sister that's looking for you. And I said, what? I just didn't really believe her because they can't tell you that stuff. So, um, I wrote down her name on a little scrap of paper and lost it. So I didn't, it just wasn't the right time in my life. I didn't really want to have to deal with all that, but it actually was my sister that did try to get in touch with me and she died before I met her. So it was unfortunate. But she was the next youngest sister and she did think she saw me once in San Diego cause she, I guess cause I look like the family.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=223.54" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:43</u></a>):</p><p>Is that right?</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=223.54" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:43</u></a>):</p><p>Its entirely possible cause that's where I lived and she lived at that same time. Anyway. Yeah. That's interesting. That's an aside story.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=231.46" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:51</u></a>):</p><p>The next time Jennifer really thought about reunion involved her son and his own reunion. He had fathered a child when he was a teenager and now the idea that a reunion could be a positive experience had motivated her a little more.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=244.09" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:04</u></a>):</p><p>I wasn't told for two years. And after that happens and um, you know, we all wrote letters to this child, this girl child, and put them in her attorney's office in case she ever wanted to find out more about our family. Well, the attorney's office burned down, so she never got any letters, but one of the people in her family knew the mother and she said, would you like to get in touch with your parents? And she said, when she was 19, 18, she said, yeah, I would. She got in touch with my son and I met her and I met my baby granddaughter that my son had just gotten married. I met them at the same time and it was such a positive experience. I thought, Oh my God, that's really great to know that I should maybe look for my mom again. Now the Internet's you know, functioning. So it was in, I don't know, maybe, Hmm. I can't remember. I'm bad on years.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=300.521" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:00</u></a>):</p><p>That's okay.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=302.05" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:02</u></a>):</p><p>In the later two thousands but it was about nine years ago that decided I'd sit down at the computer and inquire and in about 36 hours I had this whole family tree that was huge. Huge.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=316.44" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:16</u></a>):</p><p>How did you do that? I mean, you know, like you said, the internet is kind of immature not too long ago. How did you go about your search for them online?</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=325.36" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:25</u></a>):</p><p>I went on a site called Cousin Connect and whoever I got connected with, she happened to have one year of LA County birth records on microfiche. So she said, this is your mother, these are the other people you might be related to, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, you can't know that I have a closed California adoption. You know, you have to search for years or whatever. And just that was my idea. And she said, no, no, really, here's the microfiche. And she showed it to me, I was like oh my God!</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=358.79" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:58</u></a>):</p><p>Wow, your heart must've just been soaring. That must have been amazing for you.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=364.01" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:04</u></a>):</p><p>It was amazing. I mean, it was shocking, especially cause it wasn't just a mother. But you know, I'm the oldest of 10 children. So you can imagine this is a, an overwhelming experience to find out you have nine siblings and you know, cousins, like all of the family had like nine kids, ten kids. So, and my mother was from kids that had 10 kids. So it was really, really a huge, huge family. I'd been married a few times, so I have all these other families, you know, family that adopted me. So it was just a little, little bit frightening actually to think, Oh my God, well of course you're not going to hesitate to try to get ahold of them to some extent, you know. But it was kind of frightening.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=412.61" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:52</u></a>):</p><p>So Jennifer looked up her mother online then called her. She left a general message in her voicemail that sounded more like a business solicitation, not leaving any clue that she was her biological daughter. Of course her mother probably thought it was a telemarketing call. So Jennifer never heard back from her.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=428.11" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:08</u></a>):</p><p>So probably two months later I thought, well, I'll write her a letter. So I wrote her a letter and I enclosed a poem that I had written to her in 1979 and that was published in a little book. So I, you know, I copied that and sent it to her and I'll read you the poem. It's called "To Mom: Woman who cared. I thank you woman who cared. I dream of you. I feel us alike. You and I are more alike than I ever dreamed. I reached to tell you that I am and that you would be proud. I reached to show you my life, but not to grab yours. I think I know the pain you felt. I think I feel the love you gave. You made the right choice woman. Who cares? I thank you.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=471.94" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:51</u></a>):</p><p>Wow, that's amazing.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=473.86" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:53</u></a>):</p><p>So she got that and my sister got the letter out of the mailbox and she said, mom, I think you might want to sit down.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=483.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:03</u></a>):</p><p>So I, you know, I introduced, I said, you know, I figure if you don't want to get in touch with me, that's fine. I just want you to know that you know this, I'm here and this, I really appreciate you, what you did and here's this poem I wrote, but if you do want to get in touch with me, you know, here's my phone number and my address. So I guess my mom's knees buckled at the letter and sat down outside. And you know, she was just so, so grateful and so happy and she prayed every day for all of her babies to come home to her. And of course I was one of those babies and she, I was the only one she gave up for adoption. But we had other sisters that were estranged for different reasons.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=521.89" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:41</u></a>):</p><p>Fascinating. So you were one of 10, you were the only one that was given up for adoption, but still she had this need to connect with others because they had been sort of separated from her, from her for a variety of reasons. So she had experienced a lot of loss with her children.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=535.98" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:55</u></a>):</p><p>yes, she did.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=537.48" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:57</u></a>):</p><p>Oh man.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=538.14" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:58</u></a>):</p><p>But it's a very close family overall. I mean, obviously the family had tragedies and things that separated them and you know, just the traumas of growing up and the way they were raised and you know, being a nine kids and trying to make ends meet and feed everybody and supervise everybody. It was a difficult situation.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=559.37" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:19</u></a>):</p><p>After receiving the heartfelt letter, Jennifer's mother called her, they spoke for more than an hour and a lot in that first month and then they decided to meet one another.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=568.53" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:28</u></a>):</p><p>And so we set up a six day visits and I took off with a suitcase full of my childhood pictures and she had three boxes of pictures from all the kids. My son says, mom, you know what, if you don't like her?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=581.611" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:41</u></a>):</p><p>6 days is a long commitment!</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=585.33" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:45</u></a>):</p><p>I said, it'll be fine. So by that time she'd given me some history on my sisters who always knew about me, my sisters, and my one brother. And uh,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=595.37" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:55</u></a>):</p><p>How is it that they always knew about you? What was the circumstance that allowed that to happen?</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=600.19" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>10:00</u></a>):</p><p>Um, she told them about me and of course she told them I was adopted by a movie star.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=607.15" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>10:07</u></a>):</p><p>That's so funny.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=608.47" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>10:08</u></a>):</p><p>So, uh, that was kind of interesting. We both had myths on our sides of how, where I was and where they were. We were, we were actually didn't really grow up that far from each other. They were in Chatsworth and I was La Canada.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NbSaS-KGSXjvLsYW5XqIwnlqAJAx9jIyzBpdugoCcK8Lb03AwYioRjnopNYffs7HhdjxkZKPzj-Ln0vulRTqbp8kcKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=622.75" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>10:22</u></a>):</p><p>Wow. Close to each other?</p><p>Jennifer (<a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/016-shall-we-cry-no-lets-just-laugh]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1587</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2023 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/f1a1bd3f-b13a-43a2-9bea-e9acd6ca9492/016-jennifer-p-final.mp3" length="23824177" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>24:49</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>16</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>16</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Jennifer had a very happy childhood and always felt special because she was an adoptee; she knew her parents really wanted her.  Their family was heavily involved with the Children’s Home Society in Los Angeles where her mother did fund-raising work. Jennifer so appreciated her loving parents for their lifetime of love and support, but as she…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>210 - I&apos;m Not Here To Judge</title><itunes:title>210 - I&apos;m Not Here To Judge</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Today we're going back to Lisa's journey from episode 197 that started this season. When I spoke with her last, she was filled with anxious anticipation for meetings with a paternal cousin, who was also adopted, and then her birth father. </p><p>In reunion. Lisa got some answers she had been looking for, but those answers just led to more questions. Thankfully, Lisa has found a diamond in the rough of it all who has been key to completing some of her origin stories, narrative. </p><p>This is the rest of Lisa's journey... so far.</p><p><a href="https://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/episodes/197-why-such-a-secret/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ep 197 - Lisa, Why Such A Secret?</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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When I spoke with her last, she was filled with anxious anticipation for meetings with a paternal cousin, who was also adopted, and then her birth father. </p><p>In reunion. Lisa got some answers she had been looking for, but those answers just led to more questions. Thankfully, Lisa has found a diamond in the rough of it all who has been key to completing some of her origin stories, narrative. </p><p>This is the rest of Lisa's journey... so far.</p><p><a href="https://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/episodes/197-why-such-a-secret/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ep 197 - Lisa, Why Such A Secret?</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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This is the third in a three part series, Profiles In Adoption. </p><p>If you're an adult adoptee in the U.S. please make time to share your adoption experience on the survey. You can find the survey on the <a href="https://www.adoptioncouncil.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NCFA</a> website.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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This is the third in a three part series, Profiles In Adoption. </p><p>If you're an adult adoptee in the U.S. please make time to share your adoption experience on the survey. You can find the survey on the <a href="https://www.adoptioncouncil.org" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">NCFA</a> website.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Louise was loved by her adoptive family and while she thought about searching for her birth family, she was never brave enough or in the right place in her life to execute a search. After having her son, reunion found Louise. But the timing wasn't right for her to dive in, even though time was of the essence to meet someone very special in her maternal family. </p><p>Louise continues to wait for her birth father to open the door for her to meet him. As she waits Louise podcasts about adoption With her best friend, Sarah. </p><p>This is Louise's journey.  </p><p>Podcast - <a href="https://adoptionthemakingofme.buzzsprout.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Adoption: The Making Of Me</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Louise was loved by her adoptive family and while she thought about searching for her birth family, she was never brave enough or in the right place in her life to execute a search. After having her son, reunion found Louise. But the timing wasn't right for her to dive in, even though time was of the essence to meet someone very special in her maternal family. </p><p>Louise continues to wait for her birth father to open the door for her to meet him. As she waits Louise podcasts about adoption With her best friend, Sarah. </p><p>This is Louise's journey.  </p><p>Podcast - <a href="https://adoptionthemakingofme.buzzsprout.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Adoption: The Making Of Me</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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When the existence of her sisters was revealed, Shelby felt an urge to find her birth family, but she pushed it way down for many years. </p><p>In reunion, Shelby found her nuclear family still together. She's had to overcome the sorrows of lost time as she and both of her families push forward with love, making the most of the moments they have ahead together. </p><p>This is Shelby's journey</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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When the existence of her sisters was revealed, Shelby felt an urge to find her birth family, but she pushed it way down for many years. </p><p>In reunion, Shelby found her nuclear family still together. She's had to overcome the sorrows of lost time as she and both of her families push forward with love, making the most of the moments they have ahead together. </p><p>This is Shelby's journey</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/207-]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">65e3dd3f-c69f-47a9-9fcd-7b364ecb2788</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/9e9a424d-d905-4edb-9b55-af95a7ed8cd0/9oMRCyHwS0uurWDP7ldkki3f.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 03 Jun 2023 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/97a6a296-3a24-447e-9c10-f0a77533e1d7/207-My-Feet-Came-To-The-Ground-FINAL.mp3" length="72733845" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>50:31</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>12</itunes:season><itunes:episode>207</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>207</podcast:episode><podcast:season>12</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/c47a50cc-b97b-4316-aa34-087794a5c280/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>206 - The Phoenix</title><itunes:title>206 - The Phoenix</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Rachael, who lives in Dover, Delaware, is a transracial adoptee who endured favoritism toward her brother, microaggressions from her adoptive mother, sexual assault and a physical attack. Rachael went behind her parents' back to find her birth mother only to have the relationship cut short. </p><p>Later, Rachel found her birth father behind bars, but so glad to finally see his little girl again. Rachel calls herself a "Phoenix" for all that she's endured and the strength she brings to the life she lives today. </p><p>This is Rachel's journey.  </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Rachael went behind her parents' back to find her birth mother only to have the relationship cut short. </p><p>Later, Rachel found her birth father behind bars, but so glad to finally see his little girl again. Rachel calls herself a "Phoenix" for all that she's endured and the strength she brings to the life she lives today. </p><p>This is Rachel's journey.  </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/206-]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">3f935560-e3b7-4770-b470-19f47377dae1</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/c06dbcf7-c661-4380-9782-ee1488f90332/gR5DTu_cUNU7JCkjVR-Y-NLb.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 27 May 2023 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/3d97ed1f-3cdc-434d-bbe6-d54eaf347cb9/206-The-Phoenix-FINAL.mp3" length="67410493" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>46:49</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>12</itunes:season><itunes:episode>206</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>206</podcast:episode><podcast:season>12</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/0855d725-2647-42fe-9f80-e64305ba1d24/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>205 - Where The F_ck Is My Mother?</title><itunes:title>205 - Where The F_ck Is My Mother?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Annie, from Auckland, New Zealand is a late discovery adoptee. When she learned that she was adopted the news made her blood run cold. She said her life split into two people: the people pleasing adoptee who wanted to remain in her family and be accepted and the rebellious adoptee who refused to be what others expected.</p><p>In reunion, Annie found her birth mother had been waiting years for her to return and a birth father she unexpectedly learned to appreciate, especially juxtaposed against the adoptive father she grew up with. </p><p>Annie is an adamant unwavering advocate for adoptee rights. </p><p>This is Annie's journey</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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When she learned that she was adopted the news made her blood run cold. She said her life split into two people: the people pleasing adoptee who wanted to remain in her family and be accepted and the rebellious adoptee who refused to be what others expected.</p><p>In reunion, Annie found her birth mother had been waiting years for her to return and a birth father she unexpectedly learned to appreciate, especially juxtaposed against the adoptive father she grew up with. </p><p>Annie is an adamant unwavering advocate for adoptee rights. </p><p>This is Annie's journey</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/205]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">a31819e3-9a9e-4a3f-9e9e-07d07277d223</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/1f2b8b79-b397-4cd4-8db3-daaf76d4dc7d/BkICWgHVq85wPjOBcOpxQVYj.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2023 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/5603e26b-7251-4d16-8f0e-b3f5f596525f/205-Where-The-F-ck-Is-My-Mother-FINAL.mp3" length="78711875" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>54:40</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>12</itunes:season><itunes:episode>205</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>205</podcast:episode><podcast:season>12</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/67278d4c-35b6-420a-a52a-ee92f7f69374/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>204 - I Don&apos;t Mean That Much To Them</title><itunes:title>204 - I Don&apos;t Mean That Much To Them</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Today you're going to meet Joe, from New Jersey. Joe is a pseudonym for the true identity of my guest who wanted to remain anonymous.  Joe didn't want for anything in adoption, but he's never been very open speaking about his adoptee status either. He said his reunions are complex because his paternal side has embraced him connecting with them. But his maternal side has placed roadblocks In front of Joe's progress to try to meet his birth mother. </p><p>Joe told me he just wants to thank her for the life she gave him. </p><p>This is Joe's journey.  </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today you're going to meet Joe, from New Jersey. Joe is a pseudonym for the true identity of my guest who wanted to remain anonymous.  Joe didn't want for anything in adoption, but he's never been very open speaking about his adoptee status either. He said his reunions are complex because his paternal side has embraced him connecting with them. But his maternal side has placed roadblocks In front of Joe's progress to try to meet his birth mother. </p><p>Joe told me he just wants to thank her for the life she gave him. </p><p>This is Joe's journey.  </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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What she learned was shocking, but Jillian didn't address her adoption for years until she was over her grief and passed her guilt for wanting to search.</p><p>Jillian admits that in her adoption reunion she and her birth mother had a communications breakdown that may have ended their relationship prematurely. However, Jillian wonders if her mother has told her the truth about who her birth father could be because she and her search Angel can't find him. </p><p>This is Jillian's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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What she learned was shocking, but Jillian didn't address her adoption for years until she was over her grief and passed her guilt for wanting to search.</p><p>Jillian admits that in her adoption reunion she and her birth mother had a communications breakdown that may have ended their relationship prematurely. However, Jillian wonders if her mother has told her the truth about who her birth father could be because she and her search Angel can't find him. </p><p>This is Jillian's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/203-she-doesnt-fit-into-my-life]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">9e00b8ae-ede5-4fc7-a236-d80f365c1d7d</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/de7c7a24-fcf8-4f78-94bd-b2e38000edc5/9xr0Zzwz5U3TKHJ6dYBZQYK6.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2023 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/57552bad-2df9-47c8-a8b8-59fdb6dbb318/203-She-Doesn-t-Fit-Into-My-Life-FINAL.mp3" length="54327551" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>37:44</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>12</itunes:season><itunes:episode>203</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>203</podcast:episode><podcast:season>12</podcast:season></item><item><title>202 - Healing Tree</title><itunes:title>202 - Healing Tree</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Danielle, from Kirkland, Washington,  has always felt love and loyalty to her adoptive family. So when the doors of reunion were thrown open and information started flying at her, she fell flat on her face. </p><p>Danielle lived a reunion experience so many adoptive people have imagined -- her birth mother IS a celebrity. While that sounds exciting, the speed of their reunion left no space for Danielle to process what was happening. </p><p>Fortunately her paternal reunion was more easygoing and with some work, Danielle has grounded herself in who she is in both relationships.</p><p>This is Danielle's journey.</p><p>Danielle's Memoir  - <a href="https://a.co/d/dxXXU6B" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Healing Tree</a></p><p>Kate's Memoir - <a href="https://a.co/d/8UncXAS" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Born With Teeth</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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So when the doors of reunion were thrown open and information started flying at her, she fell flat on her face. </p><p>Danielle lived a reunion experience so many adoptive people have imagined -- her birth mother IS a celebrity. While that sounds exciting, the speed of their reunion left no space for Danielle to process what was happening. </p><p>Fortunately her paternal reunion was more easygoing and with some work, Danielle has grounded herself in who she is in both relationships.</p><p>This is Danielle's journey.</p><p>Danielle's Memoir  - <a href="https://a.co/d/dxXXU6B" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Healing Tree</a></p><p>Kate's Memoir - <a href="https://a.co/d/8UncXAS" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Born With Teeth</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/202-healing-tree]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">a95af9b6-9c95-428b-8b17-683ad5db054d</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/96de19cb-8c82-48ac-823f-92c39bd055c9/JOoUbcMo8mRvqxLuUgqkaOox.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2023 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/9146215e-1117-4f1e-a519-79b4f0286972/202-Healing-Tree-FINAL.mp3" length="83085844" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>57:42</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>12</itunes:season><itunes:episode>202</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>202</podcast:episode><podcast:season>12</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/fb2b6d0b-b858-4f9c-a888-74c6284837e1/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>201 - It&apos;s A Journey To Fit In And Connect</title><itunes:title>201 - It&apos;s A Journey To Fit In And Connect</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Amy, from outside of Chicago, grew up looking visibly different than her family in a way that didn't meet societal stereotypes for her family's beliefs causing her to have to explain her adoption more than she might've liked. </p><p>Curious about her ethnicity and background Amy found links to her birth family through DNA. </p><p>In her maternal reunion, Amy found her birth mother's family shares many of her creative traits and they have welcomed her as their daughter and sister. </p><p>But her paternal connections only happened once and seems to be blocked by her birth father's spouse, even though the man should be able to empathize with Amy for himself. </p><p>This is amy's journey</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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They simply wrote her off as being sensitive. </p><p>When Laurie's adoptive sister was found by her birth mother, Laurie was shocked at how much they looked alike and it ignited her desire to search. </p><p>In reunion, Laurie's birth mother was very open with every question Laurie asked, but she retained a big secret to the one question Laurie never asked. </p><p>In her paternal reunion, Laurie encountered mistaken identity, the glow of a honeymoon period and the emotional downturn of the discovery of her birth father's character. </p><p>This is Laurie's journey.  </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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They simply wrote her off as being sensitive. </p><p>When Laurie's adoptive sister was found by her birth mother, Laurie was shocked at how much they looked alike and it ignited her desire to search. </p><p>In reunion, Laurie's birth mother was very open with every question Laurie asked, but she retained a big secret to the one question Laurie never asked. </p><p>In her paternal reunion, Laurie encountered mistaken identity, the glow of a honeymoon period and the emotional downturn of the discovery of her birth father's character. </p><p>This is Laurie's journey.  </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Her adopted mom is an adoptee, and her two siblings are adoptees, though they are biologically related to one another. The kids were made to feel&nbsp;special because her parents chose them. But no matter how much love an adoptee receives, sometimes knowing that their origins are with another set of parents can fuel undeniable desires&nbsp;to try to learn more about themself. In Leah’s story, she was at a moment in her life when she wasn’t actively searching when her c0-worker’s luck online changed everything in an instant.&nbsp;</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/004-leah-l/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">004 – Lucky Online, Connecting When You’re Not Even Looking</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Leah:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1.81" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So my search kind of stopped there for some time. It really stopped for probably 10 years or so before I was even really looking again, I kind of decided at that point, look what I have in my fantasy is all I need. I don't necessarily want the truth. That truth may not be what I want to hear.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=24.06" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:24</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.31" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is "Who Am I Really" a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. Hey, it's Damon and on today's show I'm joined by Leah. Now we've all been online and found ourselves going down what seems like a rabbit hole content that's automatically fed to us. But what if that rabbit hole led you straight to your family of origin? In Leah's case, after years of searching on and off for her relatives, it turned out that she just needed a little bit of luck online. I'm so glad that Andrea was able to connect us.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=79.06" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:19</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So tell me a little bit about your family growing up, your family structure and you know, as an adoptee where you fell in your family and how it was in your community.</p><p>Leah:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=91.59" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. Well I was adopted at six months of age. I was the first child they adopted, so I was the oldest. Let's see, they adopted me in October of 1974, didn't know much information about any of the birth details or birth family, but they adopted me then. And then eventually I think I was about five, my brother and my sister who were natural siblings. So I was the oldest of three of us.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=117.18" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:57</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So you're the oldest of three total adoptees, but the other two are biological siblings to each other?</p><p>Leah:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=123.89" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That is correct. Yup.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=124.83" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Gotcha. And how did everybody get along? How was adoption perceived or talked about in your family? How did they make you feel comfortable with it?</p><p>Leah:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=132.48" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:12</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, it was actually always, I mean, I don't remember a time not knowing I was adopted. My adopted mother was also adopted as a baby and so she was really open about it. She always had told us from day one, but she made it like a really special thing. Like it was a special gift to be an adopted kid because my parents got to pick me and so like they chose me out of and it made it, you know, it made it seem like a special thing. So it was never something that I felt like I was, you know, rejected or abandoned. I always was always presented as, it was just amazing gift that they got to choose who and they chose me and that made me special somehow. It was a great way to kind of fall in through that because mom was just great about it. She was real open. She was talking about all that. She was talking about her own experience and she would talk about wanting to know her history. So she was pretty understanding of all of the feelings that we would have as we kind of grew up.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=188.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:08</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What was her experience with her own adoption and wanting to know her own history? Had she launched her own search to try to locate her biological relatives or her family of origin.</p><p>Leah:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=197.38" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:17</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I don't think she searched herself. I tell the story of her birth father showing up one day randomly and knocking on her door and they talked. They didn't really ever develop any kind of relationship. Um, and I don't know that they ever even had contact after that. I think she was told that her family was a heavy Italian family and that it was in their culture that the first born, they didn't want a girl. They would want a boy. And so she had been given up because of that is, is my understanding of what she hold us. Um, so she didn't have as much feeling in wanting to reconnect with that family.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Growing up in Leah’s home everyone was comfortable with adoption. Her adopted mom is an adoptee, and her two siblings are adoptees, though they are biologically related to one another. The kids were made to feel&nbsp;special because her parents chose them. But no matter how much love an adoptee receives, sometimes knowing that their origins are with another set of parents can fuel undeniable desires&nbsp;to try to learn more about themself. In Leah’s story, she was at a moment in her life when she wasn’t actively searching when her c0-worker’s luck online changed everything in an instant.&nbsp;</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/004-leah-l/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">004 – Lucky Online, Connecting When You’re Not Even Looking</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Leah:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1.81" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So my search kind of stopped there for some time. It really stopped for probably 10 years or so before I was even really looking again, I kind of decided at that point, look what I have in my fantasy is all I need. I don't necessarily want the truth. That truth may not be what I want to hear.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=24.06" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:24</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.31" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is "Who Am I Really" a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. Hey, it's Damon and on today's show I'm joined by Leah. Now we've all been online and found ourselves going down what seems like a rabbit hole content that's automatically fed to us. But what if that rabbit hole led you straight to your family of origin? In Leah's case, after years of searching on and off for her relatives, it turned out that she just needed a little bit of luck online. I'm so glad that Andrea was able to connect us.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=79.06" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:19</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So tell me a little bit about your family growing up, your family structure and you know, as an adoptee where you fell in your family and how it was in your community.</p><p>Leah:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=91.59" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. Well I was adopted at six months of age. I was the first child they adopted, so I was the oldest. Let's see, they adopted me in October of 1974, didn't know much information about any of the birth details or birth family, but they adopted me then. And then eventually I think I was about five, my brother and my sister who were natural siblings. So I was the oldest of three of us.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=117.18" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:57</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So you're the oldest of three total adoptees, but the other two are biological siblings to each other?</p><p>Leah:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=123.89" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That is correct. Yup.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=124.83" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Gotcha. And how did everybody get along? How was adoption perceived or talked about in your family? How did they make you feel comfortable with it?</p><p>Leah:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=132.48" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:12</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, it was actually always, I mean, I don't remember a time not knowing I was adopted. My adopted mother was also adopted as a baby and so she was really open about it. She always had told us from day one, but she made it like a really special thing. Like it was a special gift to be an adopted kid because my parents got to pick me and so like they chose me out of and it made it, you know, it made it seem like a special thing. So it was never something that I felt like I was, you know, rejected or abandoned. I always was always presented as, it was just amazing gift that they got to choose who and they chose me and that made me special somehow. It was a great way to kind of fall in through that because mom was just great about it. She was real open. She was talking about all that. She was talking about her own experience and she would talk about wanting to know her history. So she was pretty understanding of all of the feelings that we would have as we kind of grew up.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=188.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:08</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What was her experience with her own adoption and wanting to know her own history? Had she launched her own search to try to locate her biological relatives or her family of origin.</p><p>Leah:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=197.38" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:17</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I don't think she searched herself. I tell the story of her birth father showing up one day randomly and knocking on her door and they talked. They didn't really ever develop any kind of relationship. Um, and I don't know that they ever even had contact after that. I think she was told that her family was a heavy Italian family and that it was in their culture that the first born, they didn't want a girl. They would want a boy. And so she had been given up because of that is, is my understanding of what she hold us. Um, so she didn't have as much feeling in wanting to reconnect with that family.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=232.3" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:52</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh, that's really interesting. But you did. So tell me a little bit about growing up. When you first started to really feel like you were interested in locating somebody in your family of origin. What did it feel like and what were some of the triggers for that?</p><p>Leah:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=246.94" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:06</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, I think that probably came in my teens where I started really questioning, wanting to know where I came from, what was my family of origin like was I like them, was I like the family that raised me. How does all of that kind of work? You know, the whole nature versus nurture argument. I was questioning what parts of me were because I was raised where I was raised and what parts of me were for me, like the me that my genetics has provided. So I was, I started getting really curious. I also, I have very olive skin and different features that people would classify as ethnic, but we're asking him aside, biracial, and we're asking all these questions about, um, what my heritage was and I didn't know those answers and I really was curious. I wanted to know like where, where do I come from?</p><p>Leah:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=293.52" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:53</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Where do I sit? And all that. So it was, it was mostly just a curiosity and it kind of developed as I was just trying to figure out who was at that time in your life and your teens and early twenties where you're just trying to kind of figure out where in this world you fit and where did I come from, how am I this, you know? So it was really just curiosity more than anything and wanting, I really wanted to know about my heritage. I wanted to understand what that was. That was, that was my intrigue I guess.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=320.32" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:20</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, that makes sense. If you feel like you possibly don't necessarily look exactly like your adopted family, I could definitely see how that could be. One of the triggers in my own story, I was very fortunate that my mother is somewhat light-skinned, African-American in my adopted family. My dad is somewhat dark skinned and I'm right in the middle, so I kind of look like I'm the product of them, so I didn't necessarily have that visual trigger like some other adoptees do who are cross culturally adopted. So you're in your teenage years, you're reaching young adulthood. I would imagine at some point you just said, let me see what I can find out. How did you go about that?</p><p>Leah:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=357.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:57</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I definitely in my early twenties kind of started looking as much as I could. By law in Ohio, the records up to a certain date were sealed and you were unable to access any information at all. So I really had very little to go on. Um, I had a piece of paper that my adopted mom had taken notes down when she got them, they were basically like scribbles of information, um, hard to read, not even complete sentences, just kind of scribbled pieces of information that, you know, my mom was a, a young mom and my grandfather was a principal of some school and a pastor and just little bits and pieces, but nothing, nothing that was real concrete. So I started searching. I actually, I was a teacher at a preschool and my, one of my coworker's daughter had found her. And so she was telling me how she had connected with her daughter.</p><p>Leah:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=408.11" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:48</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And so I started trying to figure out, well, how can I get these pieces of information and where do I go? Started searching, uh, called, I think it was the Clark County children's home, which is where I had been adopted out of, you know, they told me basically, look, your stuff is sealed. We can't give you any information. I tried to get even just some identifying information. They were like, we don't have anything. We can't give you anything. So basically that's where my search stopped. I did consider several times looking at possibly hiring a detective or someone to kind of do the research and see what they can find. But I never did that. And quite frankly, I think it was probably a little scared of what I might find. I had been brought up that adoption was okay and that, um, it was, I was special because I was adopted and so I had this, you know, kind of background of that.</p><p>Leah:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=452.22" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:32</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And I had these fantasy idea of what my birth parents looked like and who they were. And I was afraid I would get disappointed if I found out for sure who, who they were. And maybe they, I guess in my fantasy it was like, well, my mom, you know, the young mom, she was scared. She did what she thought was the right thing for me. It was unselfish thing to get me out, blah, blah, blah. But what if that wasn't true? What if I found out that my mom really didn't want me and she really didn't want me to find her? And so my search kind of stopped there for some time. It really stopped for probably 10 years or so before I was even really looking again. I kind of decided at that point, look, you know what I have in my fantasy is all I need. I don't, I don't necessarily want the truth. That truth may not be what I want to hear.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=496.86" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:16</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. After 10 years of thinking about it, you really have probably comforted yourself into realizing you have a great life and there might not be any reason to rock the boat. So then what happened after 10 years?</p><p>Leah:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/X7oLfATYb14xkA1aq_0Zn365Bz69Ift5P8t5PdTDH1Twt2namYATOZNqh4VqqLrOTNa4psAL6e65n9cBvmqpSeJLjgg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=508.52" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:28</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was coming upon my 40th birthday. And I think that's a time in people's lives where we start again hitting that who am I again, period in our life where we're trying to really explore, you know, where we came from, why we're here, where we're going. And it was November of 2013 and I ordered a DNA test from family finder's website, which was one of those ancestry websites. And I was mostly just to find out against an ethnic background. I also was curious about some medical things. My son, who was 8 at the time was having some medical problems and we were trying to get some answers on what was going on with him. So there were a couple of reasons where I started going, you know, Hmm, I really truly want to know something, whatever I can find. And I knew I couldn't access my records. So I thought, well, I'll try the DNA route. Never took the test. I got it in the mail. It went in...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/004-lucky-online-connecting-when-youre-not-even-looking]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1447</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2023 01:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c1991a89-6ca1-42d0-a336-a548b0bf3be8/004-wair-leah-l-final-2.mp3" length="46011320" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>31:57</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>4</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>4</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Growing up in Leah’s home everyone was comfortable with adoption. Her adopted mom is an adoptee, and her two siblings are adoptees, though they are biologically related to one another. The kids were made to feel  special because her parents chose them. But no matter how much love an adoptee receives, sometimes knowing that their…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>198 - So Many Twists And Turns</title><itunes:title>198 - So Many Twists And Turns</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>I think of Pam, from outside of Richmond, Virginia, as a late discovery adoptee who learned she was adopted when another child spilled the tea. Speaking with her adoptive mother about the news she was adopted, Pam learned that she was supposed to be placed temporarily, not adopted into another family. </p><p>Pam's reunion journey has multiple twists and turns as she grew up in the town where she was born and her birth family lived. She had awkward reunions in inappropriate places and sibling relationships that started out as one thing, but ending up being something completely different. </p><p>Finally Pam found her birth father and a man who calculated that he wasn't the guy but DNA testing revealed the real story. This is Pam's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think of Pam, from outside of Richmond, Virginia, as a late discovery adoptee who learned she was adopted when another child spilled the tea. Speaking with her adoptive mother about the news she was adopted, Pam learned that she was supposed to be placed temporarily, not adopted into another family. </p><p>Pam's reunion journey has multiple twists and turns as she grew up in the town where she was born and her birth family lived. She had awkward reunions in inappropriate places and sibling relationships that started out as one thing, but ending up being something completely different. </p><p>Finally Pam found her birth father and a man who calculated that he wasn't the guy but DNA testing revealed the real story. This is Pam's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Lisa shared that she was adopted as an infant into a failing marriage where divorce soon followed. While other people outwardly noticed how different she looked from her brother, she considered him, her brother, no matter what, despite her status as an adoptee. </p><p>But after everyone passed away, Lisa felt like she was finally free to pursue connections to her birth family. I would normally share a bit about her reunion here, but we don't know anything yet. So I'll simply say this is Lisa's journey so far...</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Lisa shared that she was adopted as an infant into a failing marriage where divorce soon followed. While other people outwardly noticed how different she looked from her brother, she considered him, her brother, no matter what, despite her status as an adoptee. </p><p>But after everyone passed away, Lisa felt like she was finally free to pursue connections to her birth family. I would normally share a bit about her reunion here, but we don't know anything yet. So I'll simply say this is Lisa's journey so far...</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/197-why-such-a-secret]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">32beb976-b729-4f7b-9b80-dc9c5123fdfe</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/10228650-7477-4b56-b3dc-006a066b4413/JP7W2h-H42poR0ffihnLT8tR.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 18 Mar 2023 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/5870e235-9552-4761-a4f9-ead734cf40df/197-Why-Such-A-Secret-FINAL.mp3" length="54074258" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>37:33</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>12</itunes:season><itunes:episode>197</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>197</podcast:episode><podcast:season>12</podcast:season></item><item><title>196 - A Forever Family: Fostering Change One Child At A Time</title><itunes:title>196 - A Forever Family: Fostering Change One Child At A Time</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Rob called me from right here in Maryland. Trigger warning. Rob shares his harrowing story of his childhood surviving, mental and sexual abuse under the guardianship of his parents. After their deaths Rob went into foster care and became homeless, navigating life with his belongings shuttled from place to place in trash bags. Rob fought hard but struggled to overcome the trauma of his life until he finally visited his mother so he could set himself free. </p><p>Rob found love with his husband, Reese, and they've created a family. </p><p>He is the founder of Comfort Cases (<a href="https://comfortcases.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.ComfortCases.org</a>) a charity that helps foster children to navigate foster care with dignity. </p><p>Rob's Book: <a href="https://a.co/d/8pCsdeD" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">A Forever Family: Fostering Change One Family At A Time</a></p><p>This is Rob's journey.  </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Trigger warning. Rob shares his harrowing story of his childhood surviving, mental and sexual abuse under the guardianship of his parents. After their deaths Rob went into foster care and became homeless, navigating life with his belongings shuttled from place to place in trash bags. Rob fought hard but struggled to overcome the trauma of his life until he finally visited his mother so he could set himself free. </p><p>Rob found love with his husband, Reese, and they've created a family. </p><p>He is the founder of Comfort Cases (<a href="https://comfortcases.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.ComfortCases.org</a>) a charity that helps foster children to navigate foster care with dignity. </p><p>Rob's Book: <a href="https://a.co/d/8pCsdeD" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">A Forever Family: Fostering Change One Family At A Time</a></p><p>This is Rob's journey.  </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href=" https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/196-a-forever-family-]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">b505fac3-f30d-4073-aa24-d95acdf100ab</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2023 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d1291dfb-b4b0-4f04-ab35-35b5e7a24fe6/196-A-Forever-Family-Fostering-Change-One-Child-At-A-Time-FINAL.mp3" length="71912583" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>49:56</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>12</itunes:season><itunes:episode>196</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>196</podcast:episode><podcast:season>12</podcast:season></item><item><title>091 – I’m In The Middle Of Two Stories</title><itunes:title>091 – I’m In The Middle Of Two Stories</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Ashley had one of those moments where talking to her biological sister felt so familiar it was like texting and and responding to herself.&nbsp;&nbsp;But her birth mother’s pain and uneasiness over Ashley’s desire to learn anything about her birth father was too much for the woman, and their relationship suffered.&nbsp;When she found her birth father Ashley, predictably, learned that he didn’t know she existed. But incredibly he learned that his wife, who was not Ashley’s birth mother, already knew her husband had a child out there, even though he didn’t.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.36" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:00:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was worried about her because she just is so constantly, basically, it seemed like she was depressed about the situation. I just wanted to make it go away. I just wanted her to know I had a good life. I was happy. I’m still happy. You’re in my life now. Let’s just go with it because, and I remember I said to her, not many people get this chance. Not many people get a chance to meet their biological family and get to know them and I said like, like let’s take advantage of this.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.96" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.19" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Ashley. She lives up in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. Ashley had one of those moments where talking to her biological sister felt so familiar. It was like texting and responding to herself, but her birth mother’s pain and uneasiness over Ashley’s desire to learn anything about her birth father was too much for the woman and their relationship suffered. When she found her birth father, Ashley predictably learned that he didn’t know she existed, but incredibly he learned that his wife, who was not Ashley’s birth mother already knew her husband, had a child out there even though he didn’t. This is Ashley’s journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=97.26" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:01:37</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Ashley was adopted as an infant because her adoptive parents weren’t able to conceive. She described her life as comfortable and she got a lot of love from her parents. They held her and rocked her every day. In school, he was given the infamous family heritage assignment, so she assumed the identity of her adoptive parents. She was paternally, Scottish and maternally German in adoption. In grade six, she started to question things more. Her adoption was closed, so there wasn’t much information available to her parents, but</p><p>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=128.48" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:02:08</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;they did know that, you know, I had a couple brothers and a sister, which is cool for me cause I, well growing up I was an only child. So to hear that I had siblings out there was a pretty cool thought. They also told me how I was an auntie before I was born, which again, very cool. You know, don’t have siblings never would be an Auntie. So that thought was pretty cool.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=148.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:02:28</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;How did, how did you know that you were an auntie already?</p><p>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=151.75" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:02:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My Mom and dad, I don’t know if they got told when they adopted me, but my biological parents were older when they had me, like my parents were in their forties when they had me. Like I was, you know, kind of a way later. Like, I mean now, you know, it’s, I look back and it’s like, yeah, you know, I’m 12 years old and I’m an Auntie. I guess that’s pretty cool. Once I, uh, Kinda asked mom and dad questions, I said, you know, like you, you know, you’re an auntie, you have siblings but we don’t much to tell you. And they said when we do find out stuff and when we do tell you, you know, maybe anything else that we know we want you to be ready to handle the information because it’s not going to be something just light to take. So I was like, okay. And I kind of, you know, went on with it.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=196.9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:03:16</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;what did you think when they said that? That’s kind of a heavy comment to even make. What do you remember how you felt when you heard those words?</p><p>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=204.18" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:03:24</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think I was confused. Like what could it be, you know, that could be so terrible or so huge that I need to wait until I’m old enough to understand. Like, I mean I knew it wouldn’t be something as simple as you have a mom and dad. Like I kind of had that feeling from the get go, but just kind hearing that thought that when you’re prepared, when you’re ready. And I’m thinking, okay, like how long is it going to take me to get emotionally ready or mentally ready to handle whatever it is that might be thrown at me. But it was, I could take my whole life. It could take five years. I had no idea.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=236.76" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:03:56</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What was it like to grow up as an only child, but know that you had siblings out there?</p><p>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=242.57" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:04:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It was, I dunno, it was, it was good I guess. Like, I mean I never, um, you know, I guess hearing all my friends and having their siblings and like, you know, sibling arguments and stuff, I kind of was glad, I guess in a way that I was an only child that I kinda didn’t have to deal with that kind of aspect of it.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashley had one of those moments where talking to her biological sister felt so familiar it was like texting and and responding to herself.&nbsp;&nbsp;But her birth mother’s pain and uneasiness over Ashley’s desire to learn anything about her birth father was too much for the woman, and their relationship suffered.&nbsp;When she found her birth father Ashley, predictably, learned that he didn’t know she existed. But incredibly he learned that his wife, who was not Ashley’s birth mother, already knew her husband had a child out there, even though he didn’t.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.36" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:00:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was worried about her because she just is so constantly, basically, it seemed like she was depressed about the situation. I just wanted to make it go away. I just wanted her to know I had a good life. I was happy. I’m still happy. You’re in my life now. Let’s just go with it because, and I remember I said to her, not many people get this chance. Not many people get a chance to meet their biological family and get to know them and I said like, like let’s take advantage of this.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.96" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.19" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Ashley. She lives up in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. Ashley had one of those moments where talking to her biological sister felt so familiar. It was like texting and responding to herself, but her birth mother’s pain and uneasiness over Ashley’s desire to learn anything about her birth father was too much for the woman and their relationship suffered. When she found her birth father, Ashley predictably learned that he didn’t know she existed, but incredibly he learned that his wife, who was not Ashley’s birth mother already knew her husband, had a child out there even though he didn’t. This is Ashley’s journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=97.26" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:01:37</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Ashley was adopted as an infant because her adoptive parents weren’t able to conceive. She described her life as comfortable and she got a lot of love from her parents. They held her and rocked her every day. In school, he was given the infamous family heritage assignment, so she assumed the identity of her adoptive parents. She was paternally, Scottish and maternally German in adoption. In grade six, she started to question things more. Her adoption was closed, so there wasn’t much information available to her parents, but</p><p>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=128.48" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:02:08</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;they did know that, you know, I had a couple brothers and a sister, which is cool for me cause I, well growing up I was an only child. So to hear that I had siblings out there was a pretty cool thought. They also told me how I was an auntie before I was born, which again, very cool. You know, don’t have siblings never would be an Auntie. So that thought was pretty cool.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=148.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:02:28</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;How did, how did you know that you were an auntie already?</p><p>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=151.75" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:02:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My Mom and dad, I don’t know if they got told when they adopted me, but my biological parents were older when they had me, like my parents were in their forties when they had me. Like I was, you know, kind of a way later. Like, I mean now, you know, it’s, I look back and it’s like, yeah, you know, I’m 12 years old and I’m an Auntie. I guess that’s pretty cool. Once I, uh, Kinda asked mom and dad questions, I said, you know, like you, you know, you’re an auntie, you have siblings but we don’t much to tell you. And they said when we do find out stuff and when we do tell you, you know, maybe anything else that we know we want you to be ready to handle the information because it’s not going to be something just light to take. So I was like, okay. And I kind of, you know, went on with it.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=196.9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:03:16</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;what did you think when they said that? That’s kind of a heavy comment to even make. What do you remember how you felt when you heard those words?</p><p>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=204.18" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:03:24</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think I was confused. Like what could it be, you know, that could be so terrible or so huge that I need to wait until I’m old enough to understand. Like, I mean I knew it wouldn’t be something as simple as you have a mom and dad. Like I kind of had that feeling from the get go, but just kind hearing that thought that when you’re prepared, when you’re ready. And I’m thinking, okay, like how long is it going to take me to get emotionally ready or mentally ready to handle whatever it is that might be thrown at me. But it was, I could take my whole life. It could take five years. I had no idea.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=236.76" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:03:56</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What was it like to grow up as an only child, but know that you had siblings out there?</p><p>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=242.57" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:04:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It was, I dunno, it was, it was good I guess. Like, I mean I never, um, you know, I guess hearing all my friends and having their siblings and like, you know, sibling arguments and stuff, I kind of was glad, I guess in a way that I was an only child that I kinda didn’t have to deal with that kind of aspect of it.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=259.34" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:04:19</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I had the same feeling I would always, there were times when I wanted a brother and then I would go to my, my friend’s house and they will be bickering with their siblings and I was like, well I don’t want that. That’s bleeh,</p><p>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=268.02" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:04:28</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yup. Yeah. But I mean at the same time it was kind of hard cause it was Kinda, you know, I always, growing up I always wanted like an older brother or something. So knowing that I maybe had that out there and I couldn’t like have it with me then. It was hard. But at the same time I was thankful for my mom and dad, so I didn’t really try and focus on that thought too much of, you know, what if I had a brother with me, what if I had a sister? I just kind of would push those thoughts out and just, you know, focus on, I have two wonderful parents and a family who loves me and for me that was good enough.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=301.28" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:05:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I inquired about their families, likenesses and differences. Ashley said they looked alike and their personalities are closely aligned too.</p><p>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=309.63" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:05:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If you didn’t know we were, if I was adopted, you would think that I was biologically their child and is actually quite, um, scary sometimes. Like we, you know, we all have blue eyes, you know, just my dad has a lazy eye. I have lazy eye, the exact same like eye as well. Like there’s just weird little things that, you know, I noticed growing up too that were the same and a lot of people, they always tell me, you know, if I, if I didn’t know you were adopted, I would have never guessed like personality wise too. You know, like I get quite a bit of personality from them. I think being is because I did grow up with them and they raised me and I, you know, been around for 22 years of my life. So how they, you know, acted and everything is what I took as a trait and um definitely, I get you know, stuff also from them completely,</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=359.54" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:05:59</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;that’s really amazing. It’s not, it’s not very often that an adoptee will say that they, you know, resemble their own adopted families so much. That’s incredible. Wow. That must’ve, did that give you a sense of comfort that you’d, and forgive the terms , like didn’t stick out like a sore thumb and therefore weren’t constantly reminded? Like how did it, you’re resemblance to them play out for you in terms of your feelings as a family?</p><p>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=391.01" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:06:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think for me it was, you know, I could look at them and I could be like, yeah, that’s my mom and dad, yet look at pictures and I could see we were a family and we looked alike, and for me that kind of, yeah, it definitely gave me a little bit of comfort that I didn’t look completely different than my parents and you know, I was part of who they were and they look like they were part of who I was. So for me that definitely made it a little bit easier to, you know, when people found out that I was adopted and I would tell them and they’d be like, really you’re adopted? Like that’s a joke. I’d be like, well no, actually like I am adopted. But I think looking at them, even now it’s like I’m 22 and I can still look at them and I’m like, I still see so much resemblance in looks wise and personality wise. And I think for me and hearing other people’s stories that that’s very, it’s very lucky that I even have that because I know that it can be, from what I’ve heard from others, it’s very hard when you look, you know so different from them and you feel like you don’t fit in and you have to kind of make yourself blend in with them and I didn’t have to experience that part. So for me I feel that was very, I’m very grateful for that.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=457.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:07:37</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So Ashley’s parents have given her the talk to prepare her mentally for whatever she might learn when she gets more information. When she was about 15 she was so curious about all of the details about her biological family members.</p><p>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=470.52" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:07:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I don’t know if I want to know who they are, but I want to know why. I want to know my background. I don’t know my medical history, I would like to know my medical history. Like there was a lot of things that I just wanted to know just for the sake of knowing.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=482.88" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:08:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;In high school, the questions really took hold in Ashley’s mind and she wondered how her life would have been different if she were not an adoptee. She wasn’t wishing her wonderful life with her parents away. She just wanted answers to the question, why? Around 16 years old, she spoke with her mother again about her adoption. She said,</p><p>Ashley:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=501.53" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:08:21</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;when you turn 18 you can fill out a record to release your adoption records and we will help you with that and we will be there for you every step of the way. And I was like, okay, like you know, that’s another year away, I can wait. So grade 12 year came and graduation year and I was still wondering like, am I ready? Like you know, I turned 18 and two months, am I ready to do this? And I remember going to my friends and being like, what do I do? Like do I fill out this form? Do I wait? Like I don’t know. I don’t know if I’m mentally ready. I don’t know what I’m preparing for. I mean, ultimately you don’t know. I mean, by all I knew, you know, my biological parents could be dead, they could want nothing to do with me. There was a lot that you have to prepare for. And I remember thinking maybe I’m ready. Maybe I’m not</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_sSHV0h-UJaF6A5DwnUHdRO2UX_824HZVbtnQS5trL6uQgqr2cgt0C959NNNNzxUqQYOoBCjnB7baNde5vICF4vYem0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=548.55" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:09:08</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;on her 18th birthday. Ashley didn’t feel ready. She pushed her thoughts away for a year, but they came back nagging at...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/091-im-in-the-middle-of-two-stories]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2437</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2023 00:45:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c4316250-83c1-4c61-b3a5-56a50cac6f42/091-im-in-the-middle-of-two-stories-final.mp3" length="68771807" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:11:38</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>4</itunes:season><itunes:episode>91</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>91</podcast:episode><podcast:season>4</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Ashley had one of those moments where talking to her biological sister felt so familiar it was like texting and and responding to herself.  But her birth mother’s pain and uneasiness over Ashley’s desire to learn anything about her birth father was too much for the woman, and their relationship suffered. When she found her birth father…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>075 – I’m Good On My Own, I Know Who I Am</title><itunes:title>075 – I’m Good On My Own, I Know Who I Am</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In her adopted family Tameko’s parents just assumed that as an adoptee, she was misbehaving, but when her older adopted brother showed up he actually started framing her for terrible things,&nbsp;trying&nbsp;force her out.&nbsp;Even worse, he abused her.&nbsp;On her search, she read a description of her birthmother that humanized her, but the first pictures Tameko saw online documented the hardening of a once beautiful woman.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Tameko:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=5.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;this is turning her into a real person and I’m like, I’ve never, I’ve never looked at my mom like that. It’s always somebody was always trying to make her seem like a bad person, so it seemed like my adoption was like this a great thing, which it was, but it’s like don’t make her look like a monster.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=41.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:41</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who amq I? This is Who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on., today’s show is Tameko. She called me from Seattle, Washington in her adopted family Tameko. Parents just assumed that as an adoptee she was misbehaving. But when her older adopted brother showed up, he actually started framing her for terrible things, trying to force her out even worse. He abused her. On her search. She read a description of her birth mother that humanized her, but the first pictures Tameko saw documented the hardening of a once beautiful woman. This is Tameko journey. Tamika was in foster care until she was adopted at about three years old.</p><p>Tameko:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=96.32" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;One day in the foster home I was in. I was like three , they were like oh, someone’s gonna come and take a look at you and I’m fine. they might want to adopt you and I was like, all right, cool, So they were like go take a nap. And I was like, wow. Now I’m excited. I went up to my room in my room and I, you know, and I’m kind of peeking around the corner and you know, finally, uh, someone knocks on the door and this, and they opened the door and this woman, this black woman, and I’m like, mom, because I’m, well, I’m black, but I’m that. I knew of at the time. So I was like, oh. And I was living in a foster home that a lot of white people, and it was Mormon.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=146.29" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:26</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You said you were living in a foster home that was predominantly white and it was Mormon, is that what you said?</p><p>Tameko:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=151.75" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;No, it was Mormon. Yes. So this was in uh a Utah Salt Lake City. I left that detail out. Gotcha. So, yeah, so me not seeing people of color day to day was kind of like, okay. And like the only person here. So when this woman comes to the door, who’s black? I’m like, “mom,” I’m thinking in my head, that’s the first thing that came to head. I had was this is my mother like, and I think that’s why it’s like embedded in my mind. I was like, oh my God, this woman, are you coming to get me? Like I’ve always, you know, dreamt, you were going to come, you know? And I thought that this woman was my mother. So of course my mother now is like, yeah, I couldn’t deny you at that point I have to take you home.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=196.88" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:16</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Tameko remembers the day they left the foster home in Salt Lake City to drive to Seattle in the car where her younger brother Kevin, who was about a year old and her older sister, Kendra, who was about nine years old, they’re biological children to to goes mother, who decided to adopt because she wanted another child. And she knew that not many black children were being adopted in those days, especially in that part of the country. After two years in foster homes. I asked what she felt like going to this new home.</p><p>Tameko:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=230.36" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I felt as if like this is where I was supposed to be like this was it. You know. and um, everything seemed cool.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=237.05" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:57</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She said she didn’t remember having behavioral issues per se, noting she probably had some of the same issues. Any kid has it around that age. You’ve got a toy. There’s only one of them and I want it, but her mother tells a different tale, like the time Tameko allegedly tried to push her brother out of the window, which she says is not true.</p><p>Tameko:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=257.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:17</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My mom knew from the paperwork, I think she was Kinda like, prejudging me, you know. She’s going to do this, so I gotta be on the watch out for like what she’s going to do. There’s also information in there that said that my mom, was paranoid schizophrenic my biological mom, she was on guard, yeah, I totally get it. I mean I’m a mom now, so I get it, but it’s like giving me a chance.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=290.26" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Sounds like you felt like you were prejudged as guilty or assumed. I assumed guilty before, you know, assumed innocent. Right, and did that happened a lot throughout your life there.</p><p>Tameko:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=306.04" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:06</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It did and it affected my mom and my, Our relationship</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In her adopted family Tameko’s parents just assumed that as an adoptee, she was misbehaving, but when her older adopted brother showed up he actually started framing her for terrible things,&nbsp;trying&nbsp;force her out.&nbsp;Even worse, he abused her.&nbsp;On her search, she read a description of her birthmother that humanized her, but the first pictures Tameko saw online documented the hardening of a once beautiful woman.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Tameko:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=5.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;this is turning her into a real person and I’m like, I’ve never, I’ve never looked at my mom like that. It’s always somebody was always trying to make her seem like a bad person, so it seemed like my adoption was like this a great thing, which it was, but it’s like don’t make her look like a monster.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=41.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:41</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who amq I? This is Who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on., today’s show is Tameko. She called me from Seattle, Washington in her adopted family Tameko. Parents just assumed that as an adoptee she was misbehaving. But when her older adopted brother showed up, he actually started framing her for terrible things, trying to force her out even worse. He abused her. On her search. She read a description of her birth mother that humanized her, but the first pictures Tameko saw documented the hardening of a once beautiful woman. This is Tameko journey. Tamika was in foster care until she was adopted at about three years old.</p><p>Tameko:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=96.32" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;One day in the foster home I was in. I was like three , they were like oh, someone’s gonna come and take a look at you and I’m fine. they might want to adopt you and I was like, all right, cool, So they were like go take a nap. And I was like, wow. Now I’m excited. I went up to my room in my room and I, you know, and I’m kind of peeking around the corner and you know, finally, uh, someone knocks on the door and this, and they opened the door and this woman, this black woman, and I’m like, mom, because I’m, well, I’m black, but I’m that. I knew of at the time. So I was like, oh. And I was living in a foster home that a lot of white people, and it was Mormon.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=146.29" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:26</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You said you were living in a foster home that was predominantly white and it was Mormon, is that what you said?</p><p>Tameko:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=151.75" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;No, it was Mormon. Yes. So this was in uh a Utah Salt Lake City. I left that detail out. Gotcha. So, yeah, so me not seeing people of color day to day was kind of like, okay. And like the only person here. So when this woman comes to the door, who’s black? I’m like, “mom,” I’m thinking in my head, that’s the first thing that came to head. I had was this is my mother like, and I think that’s why it’s like embedded in my mind. I was like, oh my God, this woman, are you coming to get me? Like I’ve always, you know, dreamt, you were going to come, you know? And I thought that this woman was my mother. So of course my mother now is like, yeah, I couldn’t deny you at that point I have to take you home.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=196.88" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:16</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Tameko remembers the day they left the foster home in Salt Lake City to drive to Seattle in the car where her younger brother Kevin, who was about a year old and her older sister, Kendra, who was about nine years old, they’re biological children to to goes mother, who decided to adopt because she wanted another child. And she knew that not many black children were being adopted in those days, especially in that part of the country. After two years in foster homes. I asked what she felt like going to this new home.</p><p>Tameko:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=230.36" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I felt as if like this is where I was supposed to be like this was it. You know. and um, everything seemed cool.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=237.05" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:57</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She said she didn’t remember having behavioral issues per se, noting she probably had some of the same issues. Any kid has it around that age. You’ve got a toy. There’s only one of them and I want it, but her mother tells a different tale, like the time Tameko allegedly tried to push her brother out of the window, which she says is not true.</p><p>Tameko:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=257.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:17</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My mom knew from the paperwork, I think she was Kinda like, prejudging me, you know. She’s going to do this, so I gotta be on the watch out for like what she’s going to do. There’s also information in there that said that my mom, was paranoid schizophrenic my biological mom, she was on guard, yeah, I totally get it. I mean I’m a mom now, so I get it, but it’s like giving me a chance.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=290.26" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Sounds like you felt like you were prejudged as guilty or assumed. I assumed guilty before, you know, assumed innocent. Right, and did that happened a lot throughout your life there.</p><p>Tameko:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=306.04" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:06</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It did and it affected my mom and my, Our relationship</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=307.77" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:07</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;in what way?</p><p>Tameko:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=308.54" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:08</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;A lot. She would believe the other kids before she would believe me and a lot of the time like she didn’t know because she, she assumed that I had all of these issues, like so many issues and I was like, I really don’t like I’m a kid. And I was, you know, like kids coming from foster care are gonna have issues and she did put me in therapy and stuff and um, I felt that it did help. I, you know, not all the time, especially if I wasn’t the one, if I didn’t actually do the crime, you know, I’m like, I’m not going to fess up to doing something I didn’t do</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=347.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;you know how kids are when they know someone is kind of the default guilty party sometimes they use that to their advantage. Tameko said her first two siblings never did that. But her older brother, whom they adopted when she was nine was a different story. He was 12 years old and his name was Nathan. The kids were first introduced to Nathan via videos they saw of him while her parents were working on his adoption. Then the family hopped in the car together for the long drive to Oregon to meet him for the first time.</p><p>Tameko:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=379.53" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:19</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So he seemed really cool at first. And I was like yeah we’ve got something in common. We’re both adopted. man, we’re about to be tight. Yea, that didn’t turn out that way. He basically Took my little brother away from me, he was like, yeah, you know, we’re going to be cool and you and your sister aren’t going to be cool. And so I was like, alright. This is not cool. From the first day that he met me. You could see like in his eyes like, yeah, what you thought you had. I’m about to ruin everything. He, I could just see it in the face. Like, I mean, like he, I just remember the instance where he had put his arm around like we were at like some arcade, like my parents said this a cool place, we could go play and get to know him, you know? And I think know, I think the parents, like the, the grownups were, were chillin and kind of talking about the situation with somebody else, maybe the foster parent or whatever. And so we were out, you know, on our own kickin it. Well, I just remember him turning around and having his arm over my brother and my little brother’s shoulder and turning around and looking at me like, yeah, it’s not what you think is going to be cause I’m not going to be your friend. I’m basically out to get you</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=461.89" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:41</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Tameko had that sinking feeling on day one. She thought she and Nathan were going to be cool so she gave him the benefit of the doubt and assumed he was having an off day. Her parents moved the family to a larger home in a nice neighborhood in anticipation of their larger family and the boy joined their home sometime later.</p><p>Tameko:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=481.22" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This changed my entire life. Because my parents never believed me after this point when he moved in because he would set me up, he would tear things up and blame it on me. Like he would tear up posters of my brother’s. He would even destroy his own things and blame it on me and they believed him. I’m mother like straight up, like I don’t know what kind of hold this kid had on her. I don’t know if it was his story, but she definitely like just everything was like, oh yeah, no like we, you know, cause she’s been naughty in the past, we’re going to go ahead and blame it on her. So I was like, okay, I don’t know if I can win, you know, I’m trying to be cool with this dude. Like I’m going to be cool with you. So he says I’m doing this to me cause I don’t even know why you’re doing this to me. And then he started molesting me and then that was it. Me trying to be cool with him was like over and now I was more, I was just scared of him. So like from nine to, so a little after nine, my behavior quote unquote, which was not really my behavior, got worse</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=551.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:11</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;blindly thinking that her quote unquote behavior was getting worse Tameko parents, sent her to boarding school, not realizing the offending party was still living in their house. She went to Intermountain children’s home in Montana from just after her ninth birthday to shortly after her 10th birthday. At first she was thankful to be out of the abusive situation, but of course she missed her parents and her other siblings Tameko said the school had a variety of indoor and outdoor activities mixed with play therapy. It was an okay place because it offered counseling and therapy and she worked on herself. At Christmas. The entire family visited Tameko at school. During the visit, the family was in a lodge where the school held therapy sessions.</p><p>Tameko:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=600.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>10:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And so my parents were meeting with one therapist in one room, I was meeting with my play therapist and I went out to use the restroom and this guy is sitting, Nathan is sitting in the lobby and he’s trying to get me to go into another room and I’m like, are you serious right now? Im’ at my boarding school! Have you lost your mind? And uh, and I was like, no, what are you talking about? Like other went back in there. It was my therapist. I’m like, I just didn’t, yeah, I didn’t even believe it. I’m like, I’m here because of all the stuff that you’re doing and then you want to bring this here. And like, I was just like, okay. So I finished up the program. I can’t remember when I left or how I felt. I just knew that I was going back to the same situation</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ta5OoT-jiicCBuh5gTYVjUHNrI6nDpo59prngcv7aHZEIZFUuZN1cno1IAcW1qjJ5aazlzsLJRSVjmoPUgOvO7dECBg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=653.07" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>10:53</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;and before that I left. Before you tell me more about going back, just can you tell me a little bit about when you got there you felt the sense of relief, you’ve escaped the situation for the moment and you’re in therapy. What did people believe you when you said what you said, because these are not people who’ve had prior experience with you. You’re telling the truth as it’s as your story and they’ve had no prior assumption of your guilt. Did they receive your words and did they, how did they, what did they say?</p><p>Tameko:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/075-im-good-on-my-own-i-know-who-i-am]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2272</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/e51bd8d5-e5c8-4ca3-b35c-870bf47136fa/YtUmbmRcswSamaWS3zH1NdIg.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2023 00:45:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/0ac8dfe6-3d35-4e00-8164-2993fc810535/075-im-good-on-my-own-i-know-who-i-am-final.mp3" length="41896198" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>43:38</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>3</itunes:season><itunes:episode>75</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>75</podcast:episode><podcast:season>3</podcast:season><itunes:summary>In her adopted family Tameko’s parents just assumed that as an adoptee, she was misbehaving, but when her older adopted brother showed up he actually started framing her for terrible things, trying force her out. Even worse, he abused her.  On her search, she read a description of her birthmother that humanized her, but the first pictures Tameko…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>084 – There’s A Certain Sense of Completeness</title><itunes:title>084 – There’s A Certain Sense of Completeness</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Neal’s search didn’t take off&nbsp;until he was 66 years old!&nbsp;He got a DNA kit for his birthday and within months he was in touch with his paternal family.&nbsp;Ohio’s open original birth certificate&nbsp;help him learn his birth mother’s name, but he&nbsp;couldn’t find a single maternal connection during his search.&nbsp;This episode was just about to&nbsp;be wrapped up to go live, when Neal circled back to share some big news.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Neal:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;He didn’t really remember very much about my biological mother and that’s a, that’s a search that continues to this day. Um, and sort of like, uh, everything that was fast and relatively easy about finding my genetic father and his family has been difficult about trying to find my genetic mother.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.81" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.19" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis. And on today’s show is Neal. He called me from right here in Rockville, Maryland. Neal search didn’t take off until he was 66 years old. He got a DNA kit for his birthday and within months he was in touch with his paternal family. Ohio’s open original birth certificate policy, helped him learn his birth mother’s name, but he couldn’t find a single maternal connection during his search. This episode was just about to end when Neal circled back to share some big news. This is Neal’s journey. Neal was raised in bay shore, New York on Long Island. He figures his parents must’ve done a good job with helping him to feel okay with his adoption because he always knew and his parents openly pointed out friends in the neighborhood who were adopted too. He had one younger sister also adopted and his parents selected a special day to commemorate their adoptions.</p><p>Neal:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=110.24" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Valentine’s Day became sort of our day to commemorate uh, our adoption of me and my sister. And uh, we just kind of, they just kind of made a big deal about it and uh, they were actually greeting cards at the time that, uh, I had a message about being accepted as an adoptee.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=135.54" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:15</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh really? That’s interesting. I didn’t know that. That’s kind of cool.</p><p>Neal:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=139.13" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:19</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, it is.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=141.66" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:21</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Neal says he and his sister got along fine when they were kids, but they kind of realized in adulthood that they were different people and they went their separate ways. In terms of inquiring about their adoptions Neal said his sister was much more into peppering their parents with questions about her adoption than he was about his. We agreed that sometimes young men just aren’t as interested in their adoptions as young women are. So that begs the question, when did he take an interest in understanding his roots?</p><p>Neal:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=170.99" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Things, things moved along? Uh, college marriage, kids and that whole thing. And uh, my mother died in the year 2000. My father passed away in 2012. And uh, my youngest sister died last year in 2017.</p><p>New Speaker:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=198.67" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:18</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh I’m sorry.</p><p>Neal:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=198.67" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:18</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;and at that point I realized, Oh wow, I’m like the only person left from my immediate family. And it just, you know, the feeling was different and that’s, that’s when I started to think about it. And a, a friend of ours who had gone to a, a little bit ahead of me, had gone through and was going through a similar experience, uh, and it was positive for him and he told me about it and he urged me to have my DNA tested.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=236.62" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:56</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So you were just generally curious. It wasn’t even, it wasn’t even, doesn’t sound like a burning passion for you at that moment, right?</p><p>Neal:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=244.69" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Not really. But I was curious and being the only member of my immediate family, my, it definitely got stronger.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=256.28" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:16</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What did you think about that in terms of being the only member of your immediate family? I mean, that’s a a fairly solitary feeling, I would...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neal’s search didn’t take off&nbsp;until he was 66 years old!&nbsp;He got a DNA kit for his birthday and within months he was in touch with his paternal family.&nbsp;Ohio’s open original birth certificate&nbsp;help him learn his birth mother’s name, but he&nbsp;couldn’t find a single maternal connection during his search.&nbsp;This episode was just about to&nbsp;be wrapped up to go live, when Neal circled back to share some big news.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Neal:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;He didn’t really remember very much about my biological mother and that’s a, that’s a search that continues to this day. Um, and sort of like, uh, everything that was fast and relatively easy about finding my genetic father and his family has been difficult about trying to find my genetic mother.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.81" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.19" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis. And on today’s show is Neal. He called me from right here in Rockville, Maryland. Neal search didn’t take off until he was 66 years old. He got a DNA kit for his birthday and within months he was in touch with his paternal family. Ohio’s open original birth certificate policy, helped him learn his birth mother’s name, but he couldn’t find a single maternal connection during his search. This episode was just about to end when Neal circled back to share some big news. This is Neal’s journey. Neal was raised in bay shore, New York on Long Island. He figures his parents must’ve done a good job with helping him to feel okay with his adoption because he always knew and his parents openly pointed out friends in the neighborhood who were adopted too. He had one younger sister also adopted and his parents selected a special day to commemorate their adoptions.</p><p>Neal:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=110.24" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Valentine’s Day became sort of our day to commemorate uh, our adoption of me and my sister. And uh, we just kind of, they just kind of made a big deal about it and uh, they were actually greeting cards at the time that, uh, I had a message about being accepted as an adoptee.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=135.54" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:15</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh really? That’s interesting. I didn’t know that. That’s kind of cool.</p><p>Neal:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=139.13" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:19</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, it is.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=141.66" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:21</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Neal says he and his sister got along fine when they were kids, but they kind of realized in adulthood that they were different people and they went their separate ways. In terms of inquiring about their adoptions Neal said his sister was much more into peppering their parents with questions about her adoption than he was about his. We agreed that sometimes young men just aren’t as interested in their adoptions as young women are. So that begs the question, when did he take an interest in understanding his roots?</p><p>Neal:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=170.99" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Things, things moved along? Uh, college marriage, kids and that whole thing. And uh, my mother died in the year 2000. My father passed away in 2012. And uh, my youngest sister died last year in 2017.</p><p>New Speaker:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=198.67" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:18</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh I’m sorry.</p><p>Neal:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=198.67" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:18</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;and at that point I realized, Oh wow, I’m like the only person left from my immediate family. And it just, you know, the feeling was different and that’s, that’s when I started to think about it. And a, a friend of ours who had gone to a, a little bit ahead of me, had gone through and was going through a similar experience, uh, and it was positive for him and he told me about it and he urged me to have my DNA tested.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=236.62" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:56</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So you were just generally curious. It wasn’t even, it wasn’t even, doesn’t sound like a burning passion for you at that moment, right?</p><p>Neal:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=244.69" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Not really. But I was curious and being the only member of my immediate family, my, it definitely got stronger.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=256.28" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:16</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What did you think about that in terms of being the only member of your immediate family? I mean, that’s a a fairly solitary feeling, I would imagine, out of it’s, it’s a stark reality when you start to look at, you know, look back at your life and I’m sure as you reflect on your own children and them going forward, you know, what kinds of things did you think about as this, this lone family member left?</p><p>Neal:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=282.22" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:42</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, I, I just found myself more frequently thinking about things that happened in the family and time I spent with my parents and different things we did. I just find myself thinking about them more.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=297.69" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:57</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, I understand. That reflection sort of breeds curiosity sometimes.</p><p>Neal:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=303.06" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Very much so.</p><p>New Speaker:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=304.63" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Neal’s wife gave him an ancestry DNA kit for his 66th birthday in December. In May, He went to his computer to find thousands of DNA matches</p><p>Neal:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=314.71" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:14</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;here are all these thousands of people and I don’t know a single one of them.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=318.18" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:18</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Thank goodness they were arranged in order of his strongest matches to the most distant. A woman named Norene was his closest match. Kelly was the next closest match. Neal sent both women a message, but it took Norene awhile to write back. Kelly responded almost immediately. She admitted she didn’t know much about genealogy, but her mother had been doing it the old fashioned way since high school. Kelly said</p><p>Neal:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=344.32" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:44</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;she, she looked at the little, a photo of me and ancestry and I remember she said, honestly, you resemble my grandfather a little bit. And that was my first indication that we, I think we may be on to something here. And, and, and in talking about, uh, her dad and her grandfather, uh, she referred to him as, uh, my genetic dad, she referred to him as parenthesis and maybe your dad too in a later email and that was another indication that, uh, it’s because it’s happening very fast and it’s becoming real. She told me that her dad, who she was pretty sure was my half brother, was planning a family talk to talk about, well about me because they had no idea about this. And how to deal with their dad about it. And uh, a couple of, I started to communicate, email with a couple of other family members and uh, they welcomed me into the family. I’m thinking, wow, this is, this is really going very well.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=426.74" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:06</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Within a few weeks a few more family members had taken DNA tests and they had figured out a fair amount about his genetic father’s family tree.</p><p>Neal:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=434.76" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:14</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I do have a half brother who told me he had always wanted a brother but he had given up.</p><p>New Speaker:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=441.63" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:21</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wow. That’s funny.</p><p>Neal:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=443.39" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:23</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;There was, there was a lot going on and we were finding out a lot, a lot of stuff. And I just sent him a message and said, Hey, this is, this is really exciting we need to talk about this. So we got on the phone and we just, we just talked for awhile about, you know, who was, who in the family and you know, welcoming me to the family and what’s going on.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=469.77" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:49</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Did he tell you about your dad?</p><p>Neal:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=472.17" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:52</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;A little bit.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=473.31" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:53</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What kinds of things do you remember that he may have shared in those first conversations?</p><p>Neal:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/1a_qdzJQ6zIiZG50NwFSx7IjPoAd9cRgtBbnOkTSOWnmMO_QtS6K5ZqnOlwdQLM-I1nBjeDMTI6Lwae8Qtt1hNZhFiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=477.36" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:57</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;A lot of it was, he kept...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/084-theres-a-certain-sense-of-completeness]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2380</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2023 00:45:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/8aaa05ef-9da1-439b-97d4-5908b3facceb/084-theres-a-certain-sense-of-completeness-final.mp3" length="25610005" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>26:41</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>4</itunes:season><itunes:episode>84</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>84</podcast:episode><podcast:season>4</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Neal’s search didn’t take off until he was 66 years old! He got a DNA kit for his birthday and within months he was in touch with his paternal family. Ohio’s open original birth certificate help him learn his birth mother’s name, but he couldn’t find a single maternal connection during his search. This episode was just about to be wrapped up…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>074 – I Feel Some Of It Too</title><itunes:title>074 – I Feel Some Of It Too</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Serena told me she had a similar experience to what a lot of adoptees feel, even though she grew up with her birth mother. I’m always&nbsp;talking about empathizing with others, so I wanted to hear her story.&nbsp;Serena told me about her&nbsp;birth&nbsp;on a Native American reservation in Arizona then her mother moving away.&nbsp;She was adopted by her&nbsp;father when he married her mother, but Serena never knew her biological father.&nbsp;When her paternal family called to say her birth father was ill, she was too&nbsp;stunned&nbsp;to act quickly, so she only met his relatives at his&nbsp;chaotic funeral.&nbsp;Take a moment to listen to the parallels between what I’ll call Serena’s&nbsp;“adoption adjacent”&nbsp;experience and those of other adoptees.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Serena:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.73" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I don’t think I recognized the severity of his sickness. I didn’t… At that age, you still think you’re invincible and I had never had anyone that was even close to me die. So to have, you know, these people who are part of my paternal family, but I’ve never, I’ve never known call me and sort of dropped this sort of bomb. I think I just kind of froze.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I in mind?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Serena. She called me from Virginia shortly after I met her at the Maryland Pod-casters Association meetup. She told me she had a similar experience to what a lot of adoptees feel, even though she grew up with her birth mother. I’m always thinking about empathizing with others. So I wanted to hear her story. Serena told me about her birth on a native American reservation in Arizona. Then her mother moving away, she was adopted by her father when he married her mother, but Serena never knew her biological father. When her paternal family call to say her birth father was ill, she was too stunned to act quickly, so she only met his relatives at a chaotic funeral. Take a moment to listen to the parallels between what I’ll call Serena’s adoption adjacent experience and those of other adoptees. This is Serena’s as journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=109.97" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:49</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Serena was born on the Navajo reservation in Fort Defiance, Arizona, but her mother was only 18 at the time living with a friend because her own mother and grandmother had moved to Colorado. Her mother wanted to stay behind to finish high school at Window Rock, another Navajo reservation. That’s when she</p><p>Serena:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=129.22" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;met a boy, fell in love. Got Pregnant. She was… My mom is so freaking smart. She is God. She puts anything, anything at all I I’ll ever do to shame. She gave birth to me and then very shortly after flew across the country and came to the DC area and went to… And did her undergrad at Georgetown. I think something like two or three weeks after after giving birth because I was a little late. I was in the care of my grandmother for think my first two years out in Wyoming while my mom was sort of got her academic career started here and you, it’s a rough transition being from a reservation and living out west and you know, coming out here, it’s a, it’s a pretty big culture shock, you know, coming from a very small place where a lot of the people you see are, are like you or related to you or you know, you have a common culture to someplace like DC</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=203.75" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:23</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;from other established herself in the DC area. Serena, when she was three years old, her birth father John moved to Alexandria, Virginia too and they made a go at being a young family together</p><p>Serena:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=215.61" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;for whatever reason. That didn’t work out and eventually she met my father. so my father is The person who’s been my dad my entire life, he’s my Dad. He’s my father. I kind of use the term birth father for John Because I don’t have any anything else other than pictures and not even very many stories with him. I think, you know, this sort of thing is just for the people that lived through it. It’s so long ago that you don’t talk about it, but then at some point I kind of told my mom like, I, I’m missing a couple of gaps in my life.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=261.36" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:21</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Just for the record. Is John Native American as well?</p><p>Serena:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=264.09" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:24</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yes, So I am three quarters Navajo. He was full blooded and my mom is half.</p><p>New Speaker:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=276.03" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And may I ask, what is her other half?</p><p>Serena:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=276.03" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ha! Swedish.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=276.6" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Serena told me that her grandmother was...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Serena told me she had a similar experience to what a lot of adoptees feel, even though she grew up with her birth mother. I’m always&nbsp;talking about empathizing with others, so I wanted to hear her story.&nbsp;Serena told me about her&nbsp;birth&nbsp;on a Native American reservation in Arizona then her mother moving away.&nbsp;She was adopted by her&nbsp;father when he married her mother, but Serena never knew her biological father.&nbsp;When her paternal family called to say her birth father was ill, she was too&nbsp;stunned&nbsp;to act quickly, so she only met his relatives at his&nbsp;chaotic funeral.&nbsp;Take a moment to listen to the parallels between what I’ll call Serena’s&nbsp;“adoption adjacent”&nbsp;experience and those of other adoptees.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Serena:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.73" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I don’t think I recognized the severity of his sickness. I didn’t… At that age, you still think you’re invincible and I had never had anyone that was even close to me die. So to have, you know, these people who are part of my paternal family, but I’ve never, I’ve never known call me and sort of dropped this sort of bomb. I think I just kind of froze.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I in mind?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Serena. She called me from Virginia shortly after I met her at the Maryland Pod-casters Association meetup. She told me she had a similar experience to what a lot of adoptees feel, even though she grew up with her birth mother. I’m always thinking about empathizing with others. So I wanted to hear her story. Serena told me about her birth on a native American reservation in Arizona. Then her mother moving away, she was adopted by her father when he married her mother, but Serena never knew her biological father. When her paternal family call to say her birth father was ill, she was too stunned to act quickly, so she only met his relatives at a chaotic funeral. Take a moment to listen to the parallels between what I’ll call Serena’s adoption adjacent experience and those of other adoptees. This is Serena’s as journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=109.97" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:49</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Serena was born on the Navajo reservation in Fort Defiance, Arizona, but her mother was only 18 at the time living with a friend because her own mother and grandmother had moved to Colorado. Her mother wanted to stay behind to finish high school at Window Rock, another Navajo reservation. That’s when she</p><p>Serena:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=129.22" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;met a boy, fell in love. Got Pregnant. She was… My mom is so freaking smart. She is God. She puts anything, anything at all I I’ll ever do to shame. She gave birth to me and then very shortly after flew across the country and came to the DC area and went to… And did her undergrad at Georgetown. I think something like two or three weeks after after giving birth because I was a little late. I was in the care of my grandmother for think my first two years out in Wyoming while my mom was sort of got her academic career started here and you, it’s a rough transition being from a reservation and living out west and you know, coming out here, it’s a, it’s a pretty big culture shock, you know, coming from a very small place where a lot of the people you see are, are like you or related to you or you know, you have a common culture to someplace like DC</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=203.75" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:23</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;from other established herself in the DC area. Serena, when she was three years old, her birth father John moved to Alexandria, Virginia too and they made a go at being a young family together</p><p>Serena:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=215.61" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;for whatever reason. That didn’t work out and eventually she met my father. so my father is The person who’s been my dad my entire life, he’s my Dad. He’s my father. I kind of use the term birth father for John Because I don’t have any anything else other than pictures and not even very many stories with him. I think, you know, this sort of thing is just for the people that lived through it. It’s so long ago that you don’t talk about it, but then at some point I kind of told my mom like, I, I’m missing a couple of gaps in my life.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=261.36" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:21</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Just for the record. Is John Native American as well?</p><p>Serena:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=264.09" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:24</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yes, So I am three quarters Navajo. He was full blooded and my mom is half.</p><p>New Speaker:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=276.03" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And may I ask, what is her other half?</p><p>Serena:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=276.03" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ha! Swedish.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=276.6" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Serena told me that her grandmother was part of the native American boarding school system, which removed her from the reservation and sent her away to boarding school. When she finished school, the work placement program landed her a job as a secretary with NASA in southern California. That’s where she met. Serena’s maternal grandfather, a Swedish rocket scientist. I asked Serena to circle back to her early years back in Arizona with her grandmother while her own mom was in DC. She of course doesn’t have any memory of that time, but she did say</p><p>Serena:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=308.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:08</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;my grandmother, and I’ve always had this intensely close bond. She helped raise me when was ittty bitty, and my mom, my grandmother, and my mom was the second oldest, so I still had three aunts and an uncle that were there when I was a baby, so I’ve just heard stories about how the girls would just take me and bathe me and dressed me up and put me in dresses and and bows and I was just like their little doll</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=346.44" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:46</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Serena said she used to go back and visit her aunts and uncles who weren’t too much older than herself. She went on to tell me about her dad. Steve. He and her mother were married for only a few divorcing when she was about eight years old. They had one daughter, Serena, sister Sarah.</p><p>Serena:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=363.37" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It’s so funny because I mean biology is just, it’s, it’s biology, you know? There’s no sentiment behind that.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=372.89" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:12</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That’s very scientific.</p><p>Serena:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=378.27" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:18</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[Laughs] We’ve never, we’ve never referred to each other as this is my sister. No, she’s always just been my sister and we’ve always just been sisters and you tan skin, dark hair, dark eyes, and she’s got that very, very fair skin. Freckles, light, Brown hair can go blue eyes.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=402.89" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:42</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wow. Yeah. You guys sound like you’ve built, you look very different from one another.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=407.87" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Serena said among her sisters, they may not look alike, but they share many of the same mannerisms. She lived in the DC area most of her life and with a 12 year gap between them, they had to work at a familial bond. You’re probably wondering if Serena grew up with her mother, then how is this an adoption story? Bear in mind. Adoption can take many forms. Hers was adoption by marriage. Serena talks about how she learned that Steve had adopted her as his daughter and how she felt different from her dad, like other adoptees sometimes feel with their families.</p><p>Serena:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=441.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:21</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So when Steve and and my mom got married, um, he actually adopted me. So on my birth certificate, there’s his name and I just, I have a weird memory of like being in kindergarten and like, you know, how they put the, put a little laminate thing and tape it down to your desk and that’s where you sit and that’s your name and you know, that whole jam. But I didn’t recognize my last name because I think it was still my birth father’s last name, but I just knew that wasn’t my last name.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=484.97" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh, Interesting.</p><p>Serena:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=486.98" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:06</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, so I think that they. They started the adoption process probably sometime around then.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=494.25" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:14</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So Serena was a kid who grew up with one last name, but suddenly in school, her name tag on her desk had a different name. Serena was about eight years old when her mother and Steve divorced. They were living in Virginia. He lived in Maryland and they would trade off visits with him. She said around 11 years old, the curiosity hit her about whom her biological father could be. So her mother tried to find her birth father, John, using an old address she had for his parents. Serena wrote him letters and he responded that he was remarried and had a son. And that was it for Serena. Her curiosity was satisfied. She established a connection and she didn’t need anything else at that moment. As a kid. What she says next is just one of the things that aligned Serina story with other adoption journeys.</p><p>Serena:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HRAiDFqI20tet-RS7zClkGhoHkl-4jdVNqytGeleMaouVu7H7kuVbL8ctnYP8nQNMiBGMxb-HNN3Qn29eFOcsyntxd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=541.94" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I feel like I, I definitely felt different after they got divorced and has always been my sister. My Dad has always been my dad, but they look very similar like you can see the similrity between Sarah and my dad and it was a little weird and awkward and you know, at this point like I’m about eight years old and so we’re just starting to kind of notice the differences between you and your peers and there were definitely times where I was starting to notice how I maybe looked like would like I was Sarah’s friend. Like, you wouldn’t look at us, at least way back then, I feel like way back then in the early nineties and think, Oh, that’s a dad]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/074-i-feel-some-of-it-too]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2266</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2023 00:45:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/f59c5194-910e-4422-89fd-5719fc06823a/074-i-feel-some-of-it-too.mp3" length="22590188" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>23:32</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>3</itunes:season><itunes:episode>74</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>74</podcast:episode><podcast:season>3</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Serena told me she had a similar experience to what a lot of adoptees feel, even though she grew up with her birth mother. I’m always talking about empathizing with others, so I wanted to hear her story. Serena told me about her birth on a Native American reservation in Arizona then her mother moving away. She was adopted by…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>066 – I’ve Had A Lot Thrown At Me, But I’m A Happy Human Being</title><itunes:title>066 – I’ve Had A Lot Thrown At Me, But I’m A Happy Human Being</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Rick’s birthmother relinquished him into foster care where he was terrorized as a toddler. He was eventually adopted around age 6 but always felt like an outsider. At 16 years old he reunited with his maternal family who informed him his mother was institutionalized for paranoid schizophrenia.&nbsp;Their reunion didn’t go at all how he had hoped. When he found his birth father, the man was incarcerated but welcoming. Eventually, Rick distanced himself from his birth father and when he tried to reconnect, it was too late.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Rick:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Like this was part of her schizophrenia, you know, so she believes that she had another child. I’m an only child. She believed that she had a girl that was taken away from her too. So this is a lot for a 16 year old boy just to take in, you know, I’ve never been around anybody mentally ill. I’ve never experienced this. And now this was my…. This is my mom.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.92" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I mind?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.21" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Rick. He called me from Central Illinois. Rick tells the story of being terrorized in foster care as a toddler and challenges in childhood, connecting with his adopted family. Those early issues drove his desire to find his birth mother, but when he did, her mental state wouldn’t allow them to connect. Rick hadn’t focused on finding his birth father at all, but when he did, the man was surprisingly receptive. They had a falling out and Rick tried to reconnect later, but he learned it was too late, but that news wasn’t even the worst news of that day. Rick’s doing just fine now, but he’s been through a lot. This is Rick’s journey… Rick says, adoption was never really talked about in his house growing up, but even before his adoption, he says he spent the first years of his life with his mother and grandmother.</p><p>Rick:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=110.39" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I have kind of a unique experience. I wasn’t adopted as an infant. I was actually with my mother and grandmother for about the first year of my life and then was placed into foster care. And so my earliest memories are not of my adopted family or my biological family, but a foster family. Um, and those weren’t very good memories at all. Um, and so these things fester throughout life and, uh, just kinda came up and got triggered and you know, it was one of those things I needed to talk about but didn’t really feel like I could talk about my adopted parents pretty much, you know, just wanted me to pretend like they were my parents. And always was that way and there was no reason to believe that it ever wasn’t.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=158.75" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:38</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I wonder if you could take me back just to your memories of foster care. Do you mind just sharing a little bit about what, what was so traumatic about it?</p><p>Rick:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=167.29" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Uh, sure. My earliest memories that the most traumatic thing for me, I had a bed wetting problem as a kid, which I was in foster care. I would have been too, you know, so, um, so I don’t really think of bedwetting problem at two is really an issue, um, but it, it was to them. So it was, there’s a lot of shaming around that and there were times I was locked in rooms and they were pounding on the door and saying, this is the Boogie man and, you know, just really trying to scare me and put a lot of fear into me. And I just, I never understood why or how somebody could treat a child that way. You know what I mean? The worst experience was, uh, around the bed wedding. They, uh, they pretended like they removed my penis with a toy chainsaw and told me it wasn’t a little boy anymore and that, um, I wouldn’t be able to wet the bed anymore because I didn’t have a penis.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=231.6" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:51</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh my gosh.</p><p>Rick:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=233.76" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:53</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So yeah, this is acceptable and material for your podcast or not. But this is a, this is my life as it is.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=242.73" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;No, man. These are real stories we learned. This isn’t about filtering for, you know, people’s feelings. This is the reality of what happens to people throughout their lives. So you say whatever you have to say. This is your, your journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=256.76" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:16</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Rick said he was in foster care from August 1978 to July of 1980. He has no recollection of the first foster home, but the second one is seared in his memory. They terrorized Rick while he was in their care at about three years old. He buried those memories for a long time until they were randomly triggered one day. Rick did some research into his own bed wetting issues which continued after he left foster care.</p><p>Rick:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=283.81" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:43</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I didn’t know. This is actually how I started getting into the adoptee community. I had a hunch one day I’m like, you know what? I got the bedwetting]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick’s birthmother relinquished him into foster care where he was terrorized as a toddler. He was eventually adopted around age 6 but always felt like an outsider. At 16 years old he reunited with his maternal family who informed him his mother was institutionalized for paranoid schizophrenia.&nbsp;Their reunion didn’t go at all how he had hoped. When he found his birth father, the man was incarcerated but welcoming. Eventually, Rick distanced himself from his birth father and when he tried to reconnect, it was too late.</p><p><a href="#" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Rick:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Like this was part of her schizophrenia, you know, so she believes that she had another child. I’m an only child. She believed that she had a girl that was taken away from her too. So this is a lot for a 16 year old boy just to take in, you know, I’ve never been around anybody mentally ill. I’ve never experienced this. And now this was my…. This is my mom.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.92" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I mind?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.21" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Rick. He called me from Central Illinois. Rick tells the story of being terrorized in foster care as a toddler and challenges in childhood, connecting with his adopted family. Those early issues drove his desire to find his birth mother, but when he did, her mental state wouldn’t allow them to connect. Rick hadn’t focused on finding his birth father at all, but when he did, the man was surprisingly receptive. They had a falling out and Rick tried to reconnect later, but he learned it was too late, but that news wasn’t even the worst news of that day. Rick’s doing just fine now, but he’s been through a lot. This is Rick’s journey… Rick says, adoption was never really talked about in his house growing up, but even before his adoption, he says he spent the first years of his life with his mother and grandmother.</p><p>Rick:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=110.39" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I have kind of a unique experience. I wasn’t adopted as an infant. I was actually with my mother and grandmother for about the first year of my life and then was placed into foster care. And so my earliest memories are not of my adopted family or my biological family, but a foster family. Um, and those weren’t very good memories at all. Um, and so these things fester throughout life and, uh, just kinda came up and got triggered and you know, it was one of those things I needed to talk about but didn’t really feel like I could talk about my adopted parents pretty much, you know, just wanted me to pretend like they were my parents. And always was that way and there was no reason to believe that it ever wasn’t.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=158.75" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:38</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I wonder if you could take me back just to your memories of foster care. Do you mind just sharing a little bit about what, what was so traumatic about it?</p><p>Rick:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=167.29" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Uh, sure. My earliest memories that the most traumatic thing for me, I had a bed wetting problem as a kid, which I was in foster care. I would have been too, you know, so, um, so I don’t really think of bedwetting problem at two is really an issue, um, but it, it was to them. So it was, there’s a lot of shaming around that and there were times I was locked in rooms and they were pounding on the door and saying, this is the Boogie man and, you know, just really trying to scare me and put a lot of fear into me. And I just, I never understood why or how somebody could treat a child that way. You know what I mean? The worst experience was, uh, around the bed wedding. They, uh, they pretended like they removed my penis with a toy chainsaw and told me it wasn’t a little boy anymore and that, um, I wouldn’t be able to wet the bed anymore because I didn’t have a penis.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=231.6" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:51</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh my gosh.</p><p>Rick:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=233.76" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:53</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So yeah, this is acceptable and material for your podcast or not. But this is a, this is my life as it is.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=242.73" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;No, man. These are real stories we learned. This isn’t about filtering for, you know, people’s feelings. This is the reality of what happens to people throughout their lives. So you say whatever you have to say. This is your, your journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=256.76" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:16</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Rick said he was in foster care from August 1978 to July of 1980. He has no recollection of the first foster home, but the second one is seared in his memory. They terrorized Rick while he was in their care at about three years old. He buried those memories for a long time until they were randomly triggered one day. Rick did some research into his own bed wetting issues which continued after he left foster care.</p><p>Rick:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=283.81" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:43</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I didn’t know. This is actually how I started getting into the adoptee community. I had a hunch one day I’m like, you know what? I got the bedwetting was tied to my adoption somehow. I don’t know why I was thinking about that, but I just, you know, I’m like, I’m going to look into that. So I searched it. I just did a google search, you know, foster kids or adopted kids and bedwetting and it’s a thing. It’s a lot of adopted and foster kids have bedwetting issues. I don’t know why, uh, you know, the psychology of it or whatever. It’s just a thing. And so somebody had written a blog about it or something and I responded to it. And then, uh, and then I started finding these adoptions, communities on facebook and whatever. And so then I started talking about some of these things and finding out wow theres’s, lots of people that have a lot of issues because they were adopted, I guess, you know, I, I had certain issues I guess I didn’t really ever understand that it was actually a pretty, a pretty big deal. And a lot of people are affected by the option.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=345.05" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:45</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So you’ve said that you weren’t really allowed or encouraged to talk about adoption in your adopted family. Um, what was life like there in, in your adoptive family? As a child?</p><p>Rick:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=359.83" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:59</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It was decent for the most part. I had three older sisters that were biological children of have my parents assuming my dad wanted a boy. And that’s why I ended up getting adopted. I found out years later that they had actually had a foster kid before me that was the boy that they ended up not keeping which is kind of weird, you know. So that was like the second try at it, you know,</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=386.36" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:26</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;the second triad, it, those words struck me. And I wondered how Rick found out that he was the second boy in his parents’ home. He explained that when he was 13, his father gave him a letter from the caseworker, from Baby Fold, the adoption agency his parents worked with to adopt him. Keep in mind, Rick has already said they didn’t talk about adoption in his home. So this was a big moment in his life. His father owned a construction company and on this day he asked Rick to meet him at his business afters chool. Rick rode his bike over to his fathers shop,</p><p>Rick:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=422.77" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I went into his office you know, just chatting with me and hands me this letter and this letter gives me non identifying information about my biological family and I just started bawling because this is stuff that I was never able to talk about and you know, just kept in and all these emotions just came pouring out and now they have this letter since they had me, you know, so this was his chosen time to finally reveal this information to me. And so I, I think it would have been more beneficial for all of this stuff has been talked about growing up to never pretend like I didn’t have a history before them to just incorporate me into their family but also account for the fact that I know I was having always been a part of their family.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=480.471" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Rick said that was actually his 13th birthday. When I asked him how that was as a present, he said it was great because finally his father was open to talking for that brief window in time.</p><p>Rick:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=492.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:12</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;There you go. Yeah. Then he asked me, do you have any. Do you have any questions? I said, yeah, who is Jimmy? And this wasn’t in the letter. It’s just something, a question I had that I was never able to ask. Growing up. All my sisters had sleeping bags that were monogrammed on the outside of them and they all have their names on them mindset. Jimmy. I had no idea who jimmy was and they’ve never had the courage to ask Jimmy was. And so at that point, my dad explained to me that they had another foster kid before me and, and uh, had issues is that I guess were worse than my issues and they didn’t feel like they could keep him in their home. So that was kind of odd.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=541.3" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That is so fascinating. You, you lived with the hand me down artifact of another child’s existence in their home for awhile and you just, I would imagine to the trauma of having been through what you went through in the prior home would have prevented you from asking questions too. Like if your wetting, the bed, something that’s seemingly uncontrollable for a child, I would imagine it would be very traumatic to feel empowered to open your mouth and ask a question, you know what I mean? Like … wow</p><p>Rick:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=574.21" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Absolutely, absolutely. And, and they weren’t real encouraging would that the bed wedding continued, you know, and uh, this home as well, the home where I was eventually adopted into. My dad would have me wear my underwear on my head and make me walk through the house a one time you put a dress on me and called me a girl’s name. I don’t know what that has to do with bedwetting way of shaming me for it, you know. And so the opportunity for healing was never really presented to me. And I did talk to my dad about it once, um, you know, my dad and there are points where he’s going to sound like a really bad guy, but you know, there’s also in a lot of ways he was, he was a good father to me, you know, and, and so, you know, we had good moments and bad moments and you know, one time he was trying to reach out to me and have a heart to heart with me and he’s like, why do you think your wetting the bed, you know, what do you think the problem is? And I told him about the experience at the foster home with the toy chainsaw and everything. And his response was, well, I don’t know if that’s true or not, but if it is, that’s really terrible, but I don’t know whether I can believe you or not. And that was it. Nothing was ever said about it. No. You know, I didn’t get taken to counseling. I didn’t, you know, it was just, I don’t know whether I can believe you or not. And sorry about it. And it was just left at that.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ps11MxwHcqArMdUW4jAJaaqfMMwfKcNFXSrbgR-CUw4mTF3Yia4-3EMIiHYvg2rRmooQB1QxxQsSCVa05zUxjG1To6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=671.48" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>11:11</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;We’ve talked quite a bit about Rick’s father so far, so I was curious about...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/066-ive-had-a-lot-thrown-at-me-but-im-a-happy-human-being-2]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2199</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2023 00:45:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/8faeaa32-a287-4beb-b2e5-89f0a9631d5d/066ive-had-a-lot-thrown-at-me-but-im-a-happy-human-being-final.mp3" length="49752972" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>51:50</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>3</itunes:season><itunes:episode>66</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>66</podcast:episode><podcast:season>3</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Rick’s birthmother relinquished him into foster care where he was terrorized as a toddler. He was eventually adopted around age 6 but always felt like an outsider. At 16 years old he reunited with his maternal family who informed him his mother was institutionalized for paranoid schizophrenia. Their reunion didn’t go at all how he had…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>029 – A Lifetime of Interveners Saw Me Through</title><itunes:title>029 – A Lifetime of Interveners Saw Me Through</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Born in the Panama Canal Zone, Stephanie was adopted by a US military family stationed there in 1961. She was never told she was adopted, but she always knew there was a family secret.&nbsp;When she was 43 years old Stephanie discovered the secret was her own adoption.</p><p>Because she was born in the Panama Canal Zone, her adoption records were available through a&nbsp;Freedom of information Act request (FOIA). Unfortunately, that didn’t lead to a reunion with her biological mother. After 13 years, she has never heard from her biological mother.</p><p>Fortunately, she reunited with her birth father and his entire family has warmly welcomed her. Stephanie says&nbsp;“For the first time I know how it feels to look into the eyes of those whom I share a connection with. That cannot be described with words.”</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/029-a-lifetime-of-interveners/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">029 – A Lifetime of Interveners Saw Me Through</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=4.87" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:04</u></a>):</p><p>Cause you know, I never really looked at it that way before to say, wait, nobody uses the same pen to write something over a six year period. And it's like, and then all of a sudden, you know, it's like I've now I've just got to go. I'm thinking to myself my whole life fundamentally has been a lie.</p><p>Voices (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=30.61" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:30</u></a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=41.87" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:41</u></a>):</p><p>This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Stephanie. She was never told she was adopted, but she says she always knew there was a family secret. In her early forties she discovered the secret was herself and the woman who raised her was not her mother. While she felt vindicated that she had been correct, the news turned her world upside down as she looked in the rear view mirror to see a trail of deception right down to the notes in her baby book. Her reunion with her birth mother didn't go as she had hoped. Fortunately, things were very different in the reunion with her birth father, Stephanie shares, how she located her birth father's roommate in the military and how he was one of the many supportive interveners throughout her life. Here's Stephanie's journey.</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=94.7" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:34</u></a>):</p><p>I always had this feeling that I, something wasn't right.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=100.43" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:40</u></a>):</p><p>That's Stephanie. Before I even had a chance to ask her a question about her journey, she was already going deep on one of the interesting parts. So I just listened.</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=109.71" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:49</u></a>):</p><p>You know, like there was some sort of secret in my family, something wasn't right and I kept coming back to I don't fit here, you know, and I have friends that I've had for 40 years and they always say, have you taught, you been talking about this adoption thing for ever. So the way that this happened is, um, we had family here for Christmas in 2003, um, a toothbrush was left in the house and it was a room that my adoptive mother or at that point, my mother stayed in. So we clarified that it actually belonged to her. And I said, well, this is my chance to actually find out if I, what I have believed for a very, very long time is true. And I found a lab in Canada that could extract DNA from it and sent it off and waited and waited.</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=164.3" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:44</u></a>):</p><p>And about six weeks later, and um, April of 2004, this letter arrives and my spouse opened it and I got home from work. I didn't know it had arrived. We sat down and there was kind of this nervous tension. We had a friend staying with us and finally she said to me, so a letter arrived. And I'm like, well, okay, are you going to tell me? And I will always remember the way that it sounded to me in that response as "the toothbrush wasn't your mother." Because that's kind of the words you hear when something like this happens. You always hear it a certain way and remembered a certain way. And I was like, and I jumped up and it was like I knew it. I always knew this was true. Oh my God.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=209.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:29</u></a>):</p><p>And you were 43 years old when you found out.</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=212.03" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:32</u></a>):</p><p>I was 43 years old when I found out I was adopted.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=215.47" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:35</u></a>):</p><p>Stephanie didn't use the commercially available DNA tests that most of us think of when we're looking for answers about our biological past. She had swiped a toothbrush that was left behind by her adoptive mother. I asked Stephanie what that confirmation of her lifelong suspicion had changed for her.</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=232.87" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:52</u></a>):</p><p>Well, I would simultaneously say everything and nothing, so it changed everything about my life and nothing about my kind of background. So it was sort of a mixed bag of things all at the same time because it kind of vindicated this sense from me that I always knew that there was some thing in my family that didn't fit and that there was a secret and there was all these things going on and all these dynamics. I just didn't know it was me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=266.88" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:26</u></a>):</p><p>Wow.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=268.53" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:28</u></a>):</p><p>Okay. Now let's go back to the beginning of Stephanie's story. She was born in the Panama Canal Zone, adopted by a U.S military family stationed there in 1961. She was the only child of parents who had been married for seven years prior to her adoption. Her father spent most of his time out of the family home on isolated military assignments, but that wasn't the only isolation Stephanie felt. Her mother's greatest interests seemed to be with keeping up appearances for outsiders. That put a lot of pressure on Stephanie to stick to the script and put on a good show for others.</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=304.02" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:04</u></a>):</p><p>My parents divorced when I was 12 my father was pretty absent and we really didn't have any extended family, so I came from a very isolated childhood. But you don't know as a kid what isn't normal unless you don't know what's normal. Right?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=323.41" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:23</u></a>):</p><p>Right. Your normal is what's normal.</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=326.31" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:26</u></a>):</p><p>Exactly. So I now, you know, look back on it and say, well, there were some things that were pretty weird about my childhood.</p><p>Damon (<a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Born in the Panama Canal Zone, Stephanie was adopted by a US military family stationed there in 1961. She was never told she was adopted, but she always knew there was a family secret.&nbsp;When she was 43 years old Stephanie discovered the secret was her own adoption.</p><p>Because she was born in the Panama Canal Zone, her adoption records were available through a&nbsp;Freedom of information Act request (FOIA). Unfortunately, that didn’t lead to a reunion with her biological mother. After 13 years, she has never heard from her biological mother.</p><p>Fortunately, she reunited with her birth father and his entire family has warmly welcomed her. Stephanie says&nbsp;“For the first time I know how it feels to look into the eyes of those whom I share a connection with. That cannot be described with words.”</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/029-a-lifetime-of-interveners/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">029 – A Lifetime of Interveners Saw Me Through</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=4.87" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:04</u></a>):</p><p>Cause you know, I never really looked at it that way before to say, wait, nobody uses the same pen to write something over a six year period. And it's like, and then all of a sudden, you know, it's like I've now I've just got to go. I'm thinking to myself my whole life fundamentally has been a lie.</p><p>Voices (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=30.61" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:30</u></a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=41.87" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:41</u></a>):</p><p>This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Stephanie. She was never told she was adopted, but she says she always knew there was a family secret. In her early forties she discovered the secret was herself and the woman who raised her was not her mother. While she felt vindicated that she had been correct, the news turned her world upside down as she looked in the rear view mirror to see a trail of deception right down to the notes in her baby book. Her reunion with her birth mother didn't go as she had hoped. Fortunately, things were very different in the reunion with her birth father, Stephanie shares, how she located her birth father's roommate in the military and how he was one of the many supportive interveners throughout her life. Here's Stephanie's journey.</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=94.7" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:34</u></a>):</p><p>I always had this feeling that I, something wasn't right.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=100.43" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:40</u></a>):</p><p>That's Stephanie. Before I even had a chance to ask her a question about her journey, she was already going deep on one of the interesting parts. So I just listened.</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=109.71" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:49</u></a>):</p><p>You know, like there was some sort of secret in my family, something wasn't right and I kept coming back to I don't fit here, you know, and I have friends that I've had for 40 years and they always say, have you taught, you been talking about this adoption thing for ever. So the way that this happened is, um, we had family here for Christmas in 2003, um, a toothbrush was left in the house and it was a room that my adoptive mother or at that point, my mother stayed in. So we clarified that it actually belonged to her. And I said, well, this is my chance to actually find out if I, what I have believed for a very, very long time is true. And I found a lab in Canada that could extract DNA from it and sent it off and waited and waited.</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=164.3" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:44</u></a>):</p><p>And about six weeks later, and um, April of 2004, this letter arrives and my spouse opened it and I got home from work. I didn't know it had arrived. We sat down and there was kind of this nervous tension. We had a friend staying with us and finally she said to me, so a letter arrived. And I'm like, well, okay, are you going to tell me? And I will always remember the way that it sounded to me in that response as "the toothbrush wasn't your mother." Because that's kind of the words you hear when something like this happens. You always hear it a certain way and remembered a certain way. And I was like, and I jumped up and it was like I knew it. I always knew this was true. Oh my God.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=209.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:29</u></a>):</p><p>And you were 43 years old when you found out.</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=212.03" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:32</u></a>):</p><p>I was 43 years old when I found out I was adopted.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=215.47" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:35</u></a>):</p><p>Stephanie didn't use the commercially available DNA tests that most of us think of when we're looking for answers about our biological past. She had swiped a toothbrush that was left behind by her adoptive mother. I asked Stephanie what that confirmation of her lifelong suspicion had changed for her.</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=232.87" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:52</u></a>):</p><p>Well, I would simultaneously say everything and nothing, so it changed everything about my life and nothing about my kind of background. So it was sort of a mixed bag of things all at the same time because it kind of vindicated this sense from me that I always knew that there was some thing in my family that didn't fit and that there was a secret and there was all these things going on and all these dynamics. I just didn't know it was me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=266.88" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:26</u></a>):</p><p>Wow.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=268.53" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:28</u></a>):</p><p>Okay. Now let's go back to the beginning of Stephanie's story. She was born in the Panama Canal Zone, adopted by a U.S military family stationed there in 1961. She was the only child of parents who had been married for seven years prior to her adoption. Her father spent most of his time out of the family home on isolated military assignments, but that wasn't the only isolation Stephanie felt. Her mother's greatest interests seemed to be with keeping up appearances for outsiders. That put a lot of pressure on Stephanie to stick to the script and put on a good show for others.</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=304.02" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:04</u></a>):</p><p>My parents divorced when I was 12 my father was pretty absent and we really didn't have any extended family, so I came from a very isolated childhood. But you don't know as a kid what isn't normal unless you don't know what's normal. Right?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=323.41" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:23</u></a>):</p><p>Right. Your normal is what's normal.</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=326.31" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:26</u></a>):</p><p>Exactly. So I now, you know, look back on it and say, well, there were some things that were pretty weird about my childhood.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=335.67" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:35</u></a>):</p><p>Like what?</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=335.67" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:35</u></a>):</p><p>No interaction with any sort of extended family, no interaction with anybody. And as long as everything looked right to the outside, it didn't matter what was really going on inside the house. The inside of the house was fairly strange in comparison. And the older I got, the more aware I became of that.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=357.5" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:57</u></a>):</p><p>What do you mean by it was strange?</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=359.78" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:59</u></a>):</p><p>So my mother was extremely secretive about everything that went on in our house. And I learned from a very young age keep secrets. Everything was a secret.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=371.14" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:11</u></a>):</p><p>Can you give me an example of something?</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=373.79" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:13</u></a>):</p><p>Agree. I think a good example would be my parents got divorced when I was 12. I didn't know that nobody there, that nobody outside the house was supposed to know that. That she had gone on portraying to everyone that he was on a military assignment somewhere, but that they were actually divorced.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=393.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:33</u></a>):</p><p>Wow.</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=394.49" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:34</u></a>):</p><p>So, you know, I'm a kid. I mean, I know what's going on. And um, you know, I go to school one day and one of my classmates says, well, your dad's my dad now he lives at my house.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=406.07" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:46</u></a>):</p><p>Whoa. Really?</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=407.48" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:47</u></a>):</p><p>Oh yeah.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=409.83" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:49</u></a>):</p><p>No! Really? What did you think at that moment?</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=409.83" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:49</u></a>):</p><p>I sort of, um, I think looked at this individual and said, really is that true? You know, I mean you just don't know what to say that situation. Cause you know, I was so used to playing off anything that happened. Like it was just normal. And that by that time I had had learned to spend a lot of time looking at people around me and learning how to behave because I wasn't learning any of that in my house.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=438.2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:18</u></a>):</p><p>You were taking social cues from other people?</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=440.34" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:20</u></a>):</p><p>Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean I learned all of those sorts of interactions from people around me, not from anyone who parented me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=452.27" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:32</u></a>):</p><p>So do you get the impression then that basically your mother was really trying to maintain appearances at, at whatever the cost?</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=460.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:40</u></a>):</p><p>Yes. And I'll describe it a little a little differently by saying my mother had a story and she had a story about how I came into this world and she had a story about how life was. And that story was drilled into me from the earliest age. It was, I'll describe it as well documented, well memorized, well-rehearsed and it was not to be deviated from and well, there were pieces of the truth in it that were weaved in. So, um, I don't know if you had a baby book. I had what was called a baby book. So it started from theoretically the moment of my birth through about age seven. Okay.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=505.15" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:25</u></a>):</p><p>Right.</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=505.42" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:25</u></a>):</p><p>And it had, you know who your, who your godparents were and who the first people who visited you were. And when you took your first step, all these things, right. So it was as, as the document, if the documentation was correct and that was the story and we don't deviate from the story and that story was drilled into me from the moment I can remember and we just don't ask questions outside of that story.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=531.46" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:51</u></a>):</p><p>Did you..what would happen if you asked question? I mean, children are just naturally inquisitive. Like they, they reach a point where they recognize that babies come from moms and they say, mom, tell me what you felt like when, when I was in your belly. Like, did you ever, do you recall any situation like that where you just asked the question?</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=549.56" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:09</u></a>):</p><p>Yeah. So it was quite interesting in terms of the ways that she, um, uh, both gave and withheld any sort of affection or any sort of interaction. And her method for withholding was to not speak to me. So understanding that there were two people in the house, if someone doesn't speak to you for a number of days, that can be extremely kind of damaging psychologically to a kid.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=578.72" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:38</u></a>):</p><p>Oh yeah.</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=580.19" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:40</u></a>):</p><p>You know, and you learn very quickly what not to ask and what subjects not to touch.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=587.12" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:47</u></a>):</p><p>And I would imagine that the canvas of those, those questions expands dramatically with each one of those silence, silent treatments.</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/3TonYp7tsDp8RGKhgkzdYhHra2ndEYZHpbO6ouQKDibA8Zwu38gMoOVt0AefrXcab0fXpZq6Hf7leG-FMnugyYJOVEY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=597.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:57</u></a>):</p><p>We just stopped talking about it. So, you know, I mean, there was, you know, there was never, maybe it was not as though I ever even asked the question, is there a possibility I'm adopted?</p><p>Stephanie&nbsp;(<a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/029-a-lifetime-of-interveners-saw-me-through-2]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1720</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2023 00:30:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/b9f833d5-06b6-4f56-b4d3-2ebbf4b5f041/029-stephanie-j-final.mp3" length="57260745" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>59:39</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>29</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>29</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Born in the Panama Canal Zone, Stephanie was adopted by a US military family stationed there in 1961. She was never told she was adopted, but she always knew there was a family secret. When she was 43 years old Stephanie discovered the secret was her own adoption. Because she was born in the Panama Canal…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>195 - Filling The Hole From Not Knowing</title><itunes:title>195 - Filling The Hole From Not Knowing</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Brittney, from Connecticut, grew up knowing but not closely connected with her biological mother . </p><p>After a bombshell moment where her mom revealed the truth about her paternal parentage, Brittney felt like she was left to clean up the mess of lies. </p><p>She was conflicted about searching for her birth father because of her loyalty to her adoptive father.  Brittney said she was glad she searched because what she learned filled a hole she didn't even know was in her.  </p><p>This is Brittney's journey. </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Brittney said she was glad she searched because what she learned filled a hole she didn't even know was in her.  </p><p>This is Brittney's journey. </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/195-brittney]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">cef499ac-dff2-4398-a7b2-8a462245a2fd</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/139f037e-be4f-430c-957b-66bd925c61e4/mhZpBnd1NZWo-edIkprtGwcX.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2022 00:30:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/cae9b9d5-fbde-409f-90fe-d7db16d152b5/195-Filling-The-Hole-From-Not-Knowing.mp3" length="85814947" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>59:36</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>11</itunes:season><itunes:episode>195</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>195</podcast:episode><podcast:season>11</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/334b6f41-a87d-4b94-9d97-4babc4283e41/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>194 - Alone In The Middle</title><itunes:title>194 - Alone In The Middle</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Gabe called me early one morning from Salt Lake City, Utah. Gabe is a black transracial adoptee, and a transgender man from a family and community that didn't know how to talk about who he is as a person. </p><p>After a tough time coming out to his adoptive family, Gabe's reunion revealed his birth parents' secret that their children had a full blooded brother they hadn't known about. Now, Gabe finds himself questioning where he belongs  as he doesn't feel like he fits in either family. </p><p>This is Gabe's Journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Gabe is a black transracial adoptee, and a transgender man from a family and community that didn't know how to talk about who he is as a person. </p><p>After a tough time coming out to his adoptive family, Gabe's reunion revealed his birth parents' secret that their children had a full blooded brother they hadn't known about. Now, Gabe finds himself questioning where he belongs  as he doesn't feel like he fits in either family. </p><p>This is Gabe's Journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/194-gabe]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">1381048b-d06f-4400-8322-cb48f0af9e8c</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0d313e01-b767-4b7f-a6cc-8b9aff18cc29/x1uNFWvulPVwqy8euJ0If2Cn.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2022 00:30:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c52d9580-a600-46fa-bcef-6b2b492d7861/194-Alone-In-The-Middle-FINAL.mp3" length="78709209" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>54:40</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>11</itunes:season><itunes:episode>194</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>194</podcast:episode><podcast:season>11</podcast:season></item><item><title>193 - Telling My Truth</title><itunes:title>193 - Telling My Truth</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Andrie, who lives in Duluth, Georgia, learned she was adopted as a kid, then  started coping with the rejection she felt by making up stories about her birth parents, a habit that carried into adulthood. </p><p>Searching for her truth, Andrie found her birth father, but has chosen to distance herself from him </p><p>When she met her birth mother Andrie found a woman she has a lot in common with and whom she says she absolutely loves. </p><p>This is Andrie's journey. </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Website</a> </li><li><a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/193-andrie]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">10483946-220d-44f5-b560-7e43b26104a1</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/bf5e1d68-17b8-4243-98f2-25b678fb44e4/DIleLK81hSRp3w5gOg8nRGUh.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2022 00:30:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/6b7bd877-557f-40b8-9c51-7285f24e87f6/193-Telling-My-Truth-FINAL.mp3" length="85369804" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>59:17</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>11</itunes:season><itunes:episode>193</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>193</podcast:episode><podcast:season>11</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/9da4f9ff-4148-427c-ad41-02010c7522cc/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>192 - Fearfully And Wonderfully Made</title><itunes:title>192 - Fearfully And Wonderfully Made</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Daughter Dee  lives  in Maryland with me. Dee had a wonderful upbringing in Philadelphia, PA where she was cherished and celebrated on her birthdays. When she was fresh out of college Dee's adoptive mother passed away. Dee learned she was adopted and her world turned into a question mark while mourning. </p><p>As a late discovery adoptee (LDA), she faced secondary rejection, unanswered questions. And misattributed parentage. </p><p>This is daughter D's journey </p><p><u>﻿Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? 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Dee had a wonderful upbringing in Philadelphia, PA where she was cherished and celebrated on her birthdays. When she was fresh out of college Dee's adoptive mother passed away. Dee learned she was adopted and her world turned into a question mark while mourning. </p><p>As a late discovery adoptee (LDA), she faced secondary rejection, unanswered questions. And misattributed parentage. </p><p>This is daughter D's journey </p><p><u>﻿Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li></ul><br/><p>lVMPWZJEKn38hrIydEs4</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/192-dee]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">7cf1f92e-b875-45e2-953c-985fc5ca85bc</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2022 00:30:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/3d0d96b2-e72e-44c6-9954-0a794c41929a/192-Fearfully-And-Wonderfully-Made-FINAL.mp3" length="53474308" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>37:08</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>11</itunes:season><itunes:episode>192</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>192</podcast:episode><podcast:season>11</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/23c03217-6935-47bd-a0ce-ca47c823b067/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>191 - On The Other Side Of The Fence</title><itunes:title>191 - On The Other Side Of The Fence</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Samantha, from south Florida, watched her adoptive mother reunite with the son she placed for adoption. Samantha found herself anticipating her own reunion one day, so she decided to take action. When she located her birth mother, she learned the woman was very young when she gave birth, was told to forget about the whole thing and had built walls around herself from the trauma of her youth. </p><p>Samantha remains a positive person, even though she feels like she's an outsider looking in on her birth family.  </p><p>This is Samantha's journey</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really?</a> </li><li><a href=" bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li>Damon's story "<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir</a>” </li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google Play</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a> </li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Samantha, from south Florida, watched her adoptive mother reunite with the son she placed for adoption. Samantha found herself anticipating her own reunion one day, so she decided to take action. When she located her birth mother, she learned the woman was very young when she gave birth, was told to forget about the whole thing and had built walls around herself from the trauma of her youth. </p><p>Samantha remains a positive person, even though she feels like she's an outsider looking in on her birth family.  </p><p>This is Samantha's journey</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really?</a> </li><li><a href=" bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li>Damon's story "<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir</a>” </li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google Play</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a> </li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/191-samantha]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">9cd8cfc9-40f0-4c9d-9b07-70c41a9f6e27</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2022 00:30:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/77a669d7-2546-443c-9cbc-7c982c127447/191-20-20On-20The-20Other-20Side-20Of-20The-20Fence-FINAL.mp3" length="78182592" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>54:18</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>11</itunes:season><itunes:episode>191</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>191</podcast:episode><podcast:season>11</podcast:season></item><item><title>190 - The Gathering Place, An Adoptee Story</title><itunes:title>190 - The Gathering Place, An Adoptee Story</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Emma described her adoption with words and concepts like "purchased", "captor", and "Stockholm syndrome". Those aren't the ideas behind a healthy parent child relationship</p><p>When she decided to find her birth mother, Emma would not be deterred by the redacted information her case worker gave her, so she took action... illegally, to steal her birth mother's name. </p><p>In reunion Emma lacked the tools to maintain a relationship with her birth mother, and stood face to face with her birth father who portrayed himself as an innocent bystander, not a biological relative.</p><p>This is Emma's journey. </p><p><a href="https://a.co/d/eX0m8Cn" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Gathering Place, An Adoptee Story</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emma described her adoption with words and concepts like "purchased", "captor", and "Stockholm syndrome". Those aren't the ideas behind a healthy parent child relationship</p><p>When she decided to find her birth mother, Emma would not be deterred by the redacted information her case worker gave her, so she took action... illegally, to steal her birth mother's name. </p><p>In reunion Emma lacked the tools to maintain a relationship with her birth mother, and stood face to face with her birth father who portrayed himself as an innocent bystander, not a biological relative.</p><p>This is Emma's journey. </p><p><a href="https://a.co/d/eX0m8Cn" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Gathering Place, An Adoptee Story</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li><a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I Really? Website</a> </li><li><a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Share Your Story</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Damon's story</a> </li></ul><br/><p><u>Find the show on:</u></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Apple</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">YouTube</a></li><li><a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Spotify</a></li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Google</a></li><li><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TuneIn</a>&nbsp;</li><li><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Stitcher</a></li><li><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Player FM</a></li><li><a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podbean</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/190-emma]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">1c4233f6-685e-47dc-9d21-f4fbaeedeaef</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/91fec81a-406b-4711-bf58-99e6a2d0d714/1Ux5yQKk7ZY84NR9T30yDS5j.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2022 00:30:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/5e4edd6f-c149-498a-bc4b-c5bee1c336c7/190-20The-20Gathering-20Place-20FINAL.mp3" length="58123163" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>40:22</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>11</itunes:season><itunes:episode>190</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>190</podcast:episode><podcast:season>11</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/43c91829-1137-4c21-90ac-a1edcfa411a2/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>189 - Reckoning With The Primal Wound</title><itunes:title>189 - Reckoning With The Primal Wound</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Rebecca, from Tallahassee, Florida, grew up in a religious home where she was over protected and adoption was not discussed or explored. In reunion, She learned her social worker who helped her placement had remained friends with her birth mother and was able to connect them immediately. </p><p>Rebecca is the documentarian behind the movie Reckoning With The Primal Wound, a visual exploration of the landmark book, "The Primal Wound" by Nancy Verrier. She's worked on the movie and an audio version of the book. One has gone very well. The other is blocked by a litigious brick wall that Rebecca didn't anticipate and that's triggering adoptee abandonment issues.</p><p>This is Rebecca's journey</p><p><a href="https://reckoningwiththeprimalwound.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Reckoning With The Primal Wound</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? 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In reunion, She learned her social worker who helped her placement had remained friends with her birth mother and was able to connect them immediately. </p><p>Rebecca is the documentarian behind the movie Reckoning With The Primal Wound, a visual exploration of the landmark book, "The Primal Wound" by Nancy Verrier. She's worked on the movie and an audio version of the book. One has gone very well. The other is blocked by a litigious brick wall that Rebecca didn't anticipate and that's triggering adoptee abandonment issues.</p><p>This is Rebecca's journey</p><p><a href="https://reckoningwiththeprimalwound.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Reckoning With The Primal Wound</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/189-rebecca-autumn-sansom]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">c9cfb44b-2440-443d-83c8-c4c84ef61040</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/db95d8b1-d338-42c1-86c9-00207cac1a1d/f6tbHFj9wqymENWFuk6HS_oR.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2022 00:30:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/4e19085b-adc4-4cb3-ad0a-b83ffc7f0fb0/189-20Reckoning-20With-20The-20Primal-20Wound-20FINAL.mp3" length="62810715" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>43:37</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>11</itunes:season><itunes:episode>189</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>189</podcast:episode><podcast:season>11</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/dff233f0-a8a2-4f80-9234-1fd9aef75fca/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>188 - Junkyard Girl</title><itunes:title>188 - Junkyard Girl</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Carlyn (Kar-leen), from Santa Fe, New Mexico, grew up in a junkyard house in a tough relationship with her adoptive mother. Caryln felt over protected, trapped, and wondering why that was her life. </p><p>After submitting a DNA test for fun, Carlyn was connected with a biological relative she had never heard of forcing her adoptive sister to finally reveal Carlyn's adoption. The news sent a wrecking ball, sailing through her life.  Carlyn's newly found DNA matched biological sister was seeking connection because the woman never really had a family. Soon the pair were told they had no time to waste meeting Carlyn's birth mother.</p><p>This is Carlyn's journey.   </p><p>Purchase <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Junkyard-Girl-Ancestry-Secrets-Chances/dp/0999781227" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Junkyard Girl</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carlyn (Kar-leen), from Santa Fe, New Mexico, grew up in a junkyard house in a tough relationship with her adoptive mother. Caryln felt over protected, trapped, and wondering why that was her life. </p><p>After submitting a DNA test for fun, Carlyn was connected with a biological relative she had never heard of forcing her adoptive sister to finally reveal Carlyn's adoption. The news sent a wrecking ball, sailing through her life.  Carlyn's newly found DNA matched biological sister was seeking connection because the woman never really had a family. Soon the pair were told they had no time to waste meeting Carlyn's birth mother.</p><p>This is Carlyn's journey.   </p><p>Purchase <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Junkyard-Girl-Ancestry-Secrets-Chances/dp/0999781227" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Junkyard Girl</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/188-carlyn]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">18f1f5d4-9e05-40f1-89c1-3ba70f2fe396</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/4c44e14d-9311-4200-bd53-c3398580d65b/LscGZQi3AFWDQ5BI7PKKP6vt.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2022 00:30:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/a91072a1-6000-4ef1-8e8d-4c184751459d/188-20Junkyard-20Girl-20FINAL.mp3" length="84566692" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>58:44</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>11</itunes:season><itunes:episode>188</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>188</podcast:episode><podcast:season>11</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/54f2e647-666b-47ea-b66f-cbb95b839d8b/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>187 - Through the Eyes Of The Most Vulnerable</title><itunes:title>187 - Through the Eyes Of The Most Vulnerable</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Today you're going to meet candidate for Congress Maxwell Frost who called me from Orlando, Florida. Maxwell is a transracial adoptee who grew up loved and supported. When he found himself at a crossroads in his life, the decision to run for public office are not, he realized  he wanted to get some answers about his birth mother and his adoption. </p><p>Speaking with the woman Maxwell learned about the cycle of poverty her community has faced. Hearing her story and her unscripted delivery of one of his life mantras was part of what he needed to validate his run for office. </p><p>This is Maxwell's journey</p><p><a href="https://www.frostforcongress.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maxwell Frost For Congress</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today you're going to meet candidate for Congress Maxwell Frost who called me from Orlando, Florida. Maxwell is a transracial adoptee who grew up loved and supported. When he found himself at a crossroads in his life, the decision to run for public office are not, he realized  he wanted to get some answers about his birth mother and his adoption. </p><p>Speaking with the woman Maxwell learned about the cycle of poverty her community has faced. Hearing her story and her unscripted delivery of one of his life mantras was part of what he needed to validate his run for office. </p><p>This is Maxwell's journey</p><p><a href="https://www.frostforcongress.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maxwell Frost For Congress</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/187-maxwell]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">65ed4b6d-231f-415b-a16d-156d06b6dad5</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/cab04129-3bc8-4766-b5c1-6e9bbe3a7b78/r-K0PqLaaPs5KQ1dw47N4NTw.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2022 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/2bebe123-8298-48f8-9232-c8c602d34611/187-20Through-20The-20Eyes-20Of-20The-20Most-20Vulnerable-20FIN.mp3" length="55669836" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>38:40</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>11</itunes:season><itunes:episode>187</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>187</podcast:episode><podcast:season>11</podcast:season></item><item><title>ADOPTEE REMEMBRANCE DAY #AdopteeRemembranceDay #ARD</title><itunes:title>ADOPTEE REMEMBRANCE DAY #AdopteeRemembranceDay #ARD</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>This is a special episode of the, Who Am I Really? podcast. My guest today is Pamela Karanova, who first appeared on the show on episode 160, "Stepping Into A Space Of Freedom". She told her story of addiction, thoughts of taking her own life and debilitating depression all in the context of her journey through adoption and reunion.  </p><p>Thankfully, Pam has recovered from much of her life's trauma and finding her way out of the darkness inspired Pam to create some special things. I brought Pam back because she is the empowering adoptee advocate behind two amazing movements - Adoptee Remembrance Day,  a global observance of several serious adoptee focused issues and Adoptees Connect</p><p>a soon to be international movement to get adoptees together in person to support one another. I asked Pam to share about  the movements she has started.   </p><p><a href="https://adopteeremembranceday.com/what-is-adoptee-remembrance-day-october-30th/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Adoptee Remembrance Day </strong></a> <strong>#AdopteeRemembranceDay #ARD #AdopteesWeRemember</strong></p><p><strong>Adoptees Connect:</strong> https://adopteesconnect.com/</p><p><strong>Plant an affiliate:</strong> https://adopteesconnect.com/start-an-affiliate/</p><p><strong>TED Talk: </strong><a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/ruth_monnig_adoption_dna_and_the_impact_on_a_concealed_life/transcript?language=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Adoption, DNA, and the Impact on a Concealed Life</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a special episode of the, Who Am I Really? podcast. My guest today is Pamela Karanova, who first appeared on the show on episode 160, "Stepping Into A Space Of Freedom". She told her story of addiction, thoughts of taking her own life and debilitating depression all in the context of her journey through adoption and reunion.  </p><p>Thankfully, Pam has recovered from much of her life's trauma and finding her way out of the darkness inspired Pam to create some special things. I brought Pam back because she is the empowering adoptee advocate behind two amazing movements - Adoptee Remembrance Day,  a global observance of several serious adoptee focused issues and Adoptees Connect</p><p>a soon to be international movement to get adoptees together in person to support one another. I asked Pam to share about  the movements she has started.   </p><p><a href="https://adopteeremembranceday.com/what-is-adoptee-remembrance-day-october-30th/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Adoptee Remembrance Day </strong></a> <strong>#AdopteeRemembranceDay #ARD #AdopteesWeRemember</strong></p><p><strong>Adoptees Connect:</strong> https://adopteesconnect.com/</p><p><strong>Plant an affiliate:</strong> https://adopteesconnect.com/start-an-affiliate/</p><p><strong>TED Talk: </strong><a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/ruth_monnig_adoption_dna_and_the_impact_on_a_concealed_life/transcript?language=en" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Adoption, DNA, and the Impact on a Concealed Life</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/adoptee-remembrance-day-ard]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">121abb82-5a47-4dca-869c-4685e0038803</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/e2f5ed95-d53d-481d-83c0-ff2620a71fda/rNboD-Rx8mn-LAu-xPBDor8J.jpg"/><pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2022 00:30:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/1e812f66-613d-4b7e-ae1d-c65d0bc18707/2022-20Adoptee-20Remembrance-20Day-20-20Pamela-20Karanova-20-20.mp3" length="45932928" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>31:54</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>11</itunes:season><podcast:season>11</podcast:season></item><item><title>186 - No Answers, Just Goodbye</title><itunes:title>186 - No Answers, Just Goodbye</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Lynn, from Danville, Virginia knew she was adopted, but she never knew the secret that hers was a kinship adoption... and she had always known her birth mother. </p><p>So,  Lynn didn't have a reunion as much as a re-introduction to her birth mother through the lens of her true relationship to Lynn. </p><p>Meeting her birth father, things started off great but the honeymoon faded leaving Lynn confused, but open to exploring how to repair things. </p><p>Lynn spends her extra time advocating for young pregnant women at a clinic where she lives and she hopes adoptive parents will educate themselves about how to navigate adoption. </p><p>This is Lynn's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynn, from Danville, Virginia knew she was adopted, but she never knew the secret that hers was a kinship adoption... and she had always known her birth mother. </p><p>So,  Lynn didn't have a reunion as much as a re-introduction to her birth mother through the lens of her true relationship to Lynn. </p><p>Meeting her birth father, things started off great but the honeymoon faded leaving Lynn confused, but open to exploring how to repair things. </p><p>Lynn spends her extra time advocating for young pregnant women at a clinic where she lives and she hopes adoptive parents will educate themselves about how to navigate adoption. </p><p>This is Lynn's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/186-lynn]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">54f9b4e4-0992-4379-bf57-dc8b7c8a8c2f</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/061dd001-4034-4ec8-a0ad-52153c1c99ca/94a7Z9oqNHhYgGi5qZnWVRGl.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2022 00:30:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/67f40514-5b97-4638-b0a8-e8fa8e773d88/186-20No-20Answers-20Just-20Goodbye-20FINAL-202.mp3" length="89451792" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:02:07</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>11</itunes:season><itunes:episode>186</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>186</podcast:episode><podcast:season>11</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/21067184-6bc6-47f5-8a33-01d094e3cf50/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>185 - Cosmically Related</title><itunes:title>185 - Cosmically Related</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Donna, from Scottsdale, Arizona, had a condition at birth which meant she was going straight to the hospital before her adoption, insuring her detachment from her birth mother and her future family, until she recovered. </p><p>When she was a teenager, Donna was cut off by her adoptive father when she got pregnant then placed her own daughter for adoption. </p><p>In reunion, Donna has found a best friend in her birth mother, a birth father who's too full of himself and unkind to remain in contact with, and her daughter whom she had to wait years for until the time was right for everyone to connect more deeply. </p><p>This is Donna's journey</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donna, from Scottsdale, Arizona, had a condition at birth which meant she was going straight to the hospital before her adoption, insuring her detachment from her birth mother and her future family, until she recovered. </p><p>When she was a teenager, Donna was cut off by her adoptive father when she got pregnant then placed her own daughter for adoption. </p><p>In reunion, Donna has found a best friend in her birth mother, a birth father who's too full of himself and unkind to remain in contact with, and her daughter whom she had to wait years for until the time was right for everyone to connect more deeply. </p><p>This is Donna's journey</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/185]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">888e621b-6478-40cc-b5de-287dff429381</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/b0d1268a-7f8a-4f46-9c3f-eb55279583cb/AwW9ZHxrUopuyszCTPpQX0Ds.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2022 00:30:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/aa53f98d-cc3a-400e-b162-46a1cf0e5db5/185-20-20Cosmically-20Related-20FINAL.mp3" length="76041566" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>52:48</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>11</itunes:season><itunes:episode>185</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>185</podcast:episode><podcast:season>11</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/25ac08fd-5e01-4b40-aa88-1278e1b8511a/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>184 - Merging Who I Was Supposed To Be With Who I Am</title><itunes:title>184 - Merging Who I Was Supposed To Be With Who I Am</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Heidi, from Silicon Valley, California, grew up walking on eggshells, crying a lot and "staying small" in her world despite being gifted.  She found her maternal family guided by a somewhat famous reunion specialist who helped the reunion along. </p><p>Heidi says reunion can be weird and awkward for how much time has passed while an adoptee tries to get to know their biological relatives in the present. Her reunions are further complicated by the emotions of her birth mother and birth father being the opposite reactions to her return than she expected. This is Heidi's journey</p><p><strong>Lyrics to Looking For Me</strong> (Lyrics)</p><p>Looking for Me (Heidi Frederick © 2021)</p><p>My life a blurry canvas, full of pain and sometimes numb</p><p>No voice, no choice, grasping for joy, yet slipping through my hands</p><p>So lost without direction, afraid to ask for help</p><p>full of fear and loneliness, days and nights all by myself</p><p>Silent struggle of a misfit, just trying to fit in</p><p>please tell me what to hope for, don’t let me down again</p><p>Missing peace, missing pieces, yet not a search for them,</p><p>I’m looking for me, to set me free, know who I truly am</p><p>Searching for places, strangers faces, no reflection found</p><p>was looking for them, yet searching for me</p><p>alone, yet in a crowd</p><p>If you could only know, my motive is so pure</p><p>Not looking to replace you, our relationship, secure</p><p>It’s not them I’m looking for, it’s me I long to know,</p><p>You chose me then, you choose me now, but I need to heal and grow</p><p>Can’t imagine, what they went through, so young and so alone</p><p>knowing she’s a part of you and suddenly she’s gone</p><p>They told you to move on, you’ll have more kids one day</p><p>It’s better not to hold her, just turn and walk away</p><p>Searching for places, strangers faces, no reflection found</p><p>was looking for you, but searching for me</p><p>still alone, yet in a crowd</p><p>Ties that bind, can’t be broken with false promised and empty words</p><p>After all this is your child, yet, she’s no longer yours</p><p>She’s spent her whole life wondering, if one day you would meet</p><p>no bitterness or resentment, not filled with rage or hate</p><p>With secrets and shame comes darkness, but courage and hope bring light</p><p>Walls come down, healing is found, not easy, but worth the fight.</p><p>My life, now a mosaic of brokenness and light</p><p>To rise and shine for all to see, to pass the torch of life</p><p>Searching for places, strangers faces, my reflection found</p><p>In my search for you, I’ve been set free</p><p>my soul no longer bound.</p><p>Searching for places, strangers faces, my reflection found</p><p>In my search for you, I’ve been set free</p><p>my soul no longer bound.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heidi, from Silicon Valley, California, grew up walking on eggshells, crying a lot and "staying small" in her world despite being gifted.  She found her maternal family guided by a somewhat famous reunion specialist who helped the reunion along. </p><p>Heidi says reunion can be weird and awkward for how much time has passed while an adoptee tries to get to know their biological relatives in the present. Her reunions are further complicated by the emotions of her birth mother and birth father being the opposite reactions to her return than she expected. This is Heidi's journey</p><p><strong>Lyrics to Looking For Me</strong> (Lyrics)</p><p>Looking for Me (Heidi Frederick © 2021)</p><p>My life a blurry canvas, full of pain and sometimes numb</p><p>No voice, no choice, grasping for joy, yet slipping through my hands</p><p>So lost without direction, afraid to ask for help</p><p>full of fear and loneliness, days and nights all by myself</p><p>Silent struggle of a misfit, just trying to fit in</p><p>please tell me what to hope for, don’t let me down again</p><p>Missing peace, missing pieces, yet not a search for them,</p><p>I’m looking for me, to set me free, know who I truly am</p><p>Searching for places, strangers faces, no reflection found</p><p>was looking for them, yet searching for me</p><p>alone, yet in a crowd</p><p>If you could only know, my motive is so pure</p><p>Not looking to replace you, our relationship, secure</p><p>It’s not them I’m looking for, it’s me I long to know,</p><p>You chose me then, you choose me now, but I need to heal and grow</p><p>Can’t imagine, what they went through, so young and so alone</p><p>knowing she’s a part of you and suddenly she’s gone</p><p>They told you to move on, you’ll have more kids one day</p><p>It’s better not to hold her, just turn and walk away</p><p>Searching for places, strangers faces, no reflection found</p><p>was looking for you, but searching for me</p><p>still alone, yet in a crowd</p><p>Ties that bind, can’t be broken with false promised and empty words</p><p>After all this is your child, yet, she’s no longer yours</p><p>She’s spent her whole life wondering, if one day you would meet</p><p>no bitterness or resentment, not filled with rage or hate</p><p>With secrets and shame comes darkness, but courage and hope bring light</p><p>Walls come down, healing is found, not easy, but worth the fight.</p><p>My life, now a mosaic of brokenness and light</p><p>To rise and shine for all to see, to pass the torch of life</p><p>Searching for places, strangers faces, my reflection found</p><p>In my search for you, I’ve been set free</p><p>my soul no longer bound.</p><p>Searching for places, strangers faces, my reflection found</p><p>In my search for you, I’ve been set free</p><p>my soul no longer bound.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/heidi]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">8ae62999-5516-4b78-98bb-6b5b8ad80bdf</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/7414afaf-fa3e-4c78-b668-fd4e8573a02b/ynFxKSl3RbUYscDi9GWdU8AA.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2022 00:30:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ebf329b8-8f3d-4f15-938b-f4e37906c80b/184-20Looking-20For-20Me-20FINAL.mp3" length="80512262" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>55:55</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>11</itunes:season><itunes:episode>184</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>184</podcast:episode><podcast:season>11</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/b1ea37cd-3bb5-4e6d-9723-2dc64c2505b0/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>183 - The Journey Changes Your Soul</title><itunes:title>183 - The Journey Changes Your Soul</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Jack from Phoenix, Arizona, said as a boy, he was kept separate from his sister who was biologically related to his parents. While he was interested in reunion jack was clearly told his desires were unacceptable. He held off from searching for years only to find later that his birth mother  was eagerly awaiting his return.   </p><p>On his paternal side, Jack was met with a wall of protection with the exception of one sister. From a distance jack says he's learned more about his paternal family than they probably know about themselves. </p><p>This is jack's journey </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack from Phoenix, Arizona, said as a boy, he was kept separate from his sister who was biologically related to his parents. While he was interested in reunion jack was clearly told his desires were unacceptable. He held off from searching for years only to find later that his birth mother  was eagerly awaiting his return.   </p><p>On his paternal side, Jack was met with a wall of protection with the exception of one sister. From a distance jack says he's learned more about his paternal family than they probably know about themselves. </p><p>This is jack's journey </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/183-the-journey-changes-your-soul]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">fcf15ba2-3198-40be-bc76-52966898e905</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/c1424169-7066-4f63-9783-bee837946fbd/KO8KrgRleMOm_jcWUAA37yUd.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2022 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ff4e17fd-af1e-4888-bf26-e29cb4b40e4a/183-20The-20Journey-20Changes-20Your-20Soul-20FINAL.mp3" length="61097865" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>42:26</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>11</itunes:season><itunes:episode>183</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>183</podcast:episode><podcast:season>11</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/d09df291-4e99-46f2-9c12-ce4d9279a688/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>182 - Avoiding Dysfunction For My Mental Health</title><itunes:title>182 - Avoiding Dysfunction For My Mental Health</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>David, from San Jose, CA said when he was a kid he knew he was talented and smart but his gifts didn't seem to measure up to his adoptive parents expectations. When David learned he was adopted the news, left him wanting to find his birth mother rebelling and challenged to control his behavior. </p><p>In reunion, David found his paternal family, but similar elements of dysfunction in their family and drastically differing opinions prevent him from getting any closer. This is David's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, from San Jose, CA said when he was a kid he knew he was talented and smart but his gifts didn't seem to measure up to his adoptive parents expectations. When David learned he was adopted the news, left him wanting to find his birth mother rebelling and challenged to control his behavior. </p><p>In reunion, David found his paternal family, but similar elements of dysfunction in their family and drastically differing opinions prevent him from getting any closer. This is David's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/182-avoiding-dysfunction-for-my-mental-health]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">0270722d-3ccb-494c-96d2-645a4a129e47</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/21a3ae15-337b-404e-ae74-94adc22c5153/ju1ZTmGxrxanu3c7fZc_l1ZW.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2022 01:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/fb2ce1d8-89bc-4312-b846-27f4b0fc15ea/182-20-20Avoiding-20Dysfuction-20For-20My-20Mental-20Health-20F.mp3" length="53204717" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>36:57</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>11</itunes:season><itunes:episode>182</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>182</podcast:episode><podcast:season>11</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/b845089c-7b9a-4c97-a1b6-2a7498971f0a/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>Veronica</title><itunes:title>Veronica</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>I'm back for season 11 of the, Who Am I Really? podcast. It's going to be another moving season of open, heartfelt discussions about the adoption experience from people from all walks of life. </p><p>But before we get to the season, I want to update you on my own journey. Some of, you may know that I lost my adoptive mother Veronica on Friday, September 2nd, 2022. </p><p>It was the end of a long road for her as mental illness had taken such a toll on both her mind and her body. </p><p>This is another part of my journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm back for season 11 of the, Who Am I Really? podcast. It's going to be another moving season of open, heartfelt discussions about the adoption experience from people from all walks of life. </p><p>But before we get to the season, I want to update you on my own journey. Some of, you may know that I lost my adoptive mother Veronica on Friday, September 2nd, 2022. </p><p>It was the end of a long road for her as mental illness had taken such a toll on both her mind and her body. </p><p>This is another part of my journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/veronica]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">411124eb-64fb-4c78-9087-64cab80932a4</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/aeb873c8-ff4c-41b6-94b8-ccb6b19dbd53/pKBpDY2vFXdhGgeRWUvtaIob.jpg"/><pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2022 22:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/f04f6fb1-902c-41e7-8fd4-41774e2c462e/Veronica-20FINAL.mp3" length="15980801" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>11:06</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>11</itunes:season><podcast:season>11</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/8103661c-4803-49da-a05f-c53c85947a07/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>181 - Living In Adoptionland</title><itunes:title>181 - Living In Adoptionland</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Bryan Elliott, writer, director, producer, grew up in Southern California feeling under prioritized by his adoptive mother.  At an early age, he had ambitions of finding his birth family. After extensive research Bryan called a long list of women only to realize she was among those who had repeatedly told him, "sorry, it's not me." when he called.</p><p>Maternal secondary rejection was solidified with the threat of legal action, but later legal correspondence clarified his birth father's identity in the search for a man Bryan had searched for for decades. It took some coaxing, but Bryan was finally granted full access to his paternal family. </p><p>This is Bryan's journey</p><p><a href="https://www.podcastone.com/pd/Living-in-Adoptionland-with-Bryan-Elliott  " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Living In Adoptionland podcast</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan Elliott, writer, director, producer, grew up in Southern California feeling under prioritized by his adoptive mother.  At an early age, he had ambitions of finding his birth family. After extensive research Bryan called a long list of women only to realize she was among those who had repeatedly told him, "sorry, it's not me." when he called.</p><p>Maternal secondary rejection was solidified with the threat of legal action, but later legal correspondence clarified his birth father's identity in the search for a man Bryan had searched for for decades. It took some coaxing, but Bryan was finally granted full access to his paternal family. </p><p>This is Bryan's journey</p><p><a href="https://www.podcastone.com/pd/Living-in-Adoptionland-with-Bryan-Elliott  " rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Living In Adoptionland podcast</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/181-living-in-adoptionland]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">bd4139ef-1f9b-4471-b2cd-7711025cb79f</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2022 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ddfa3c7c-e6b1-4cea-8f54-8730a7b5bba8/181-20-20Bryan-20Elliott-20-20Living-20In-20Adoptionland-20FINAL.mp3" length="114329363" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:19:24</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>10</itunes:season><itunes:episode>181</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>181</podcast:episode><podcast:season>10</podcast:season></item><item><title>180 - The Wandering Tree</title><itunes:title>180 - The Wandering Tree</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Lisa, my guest from episode 168, "A Vein of Gratitude" is back to share how her reunion has been in the year since we spoke. Lisa and I chatted the night  before Lisa met her birth mother for the first time. The COVID-19 pandemic had kept them apart, so the moment was imminent that they would finally meet. </p><p>The reunion went well, even though some discussion topics  were closed for exploration. Afterwards, Lisa struggled with her birth mother's expressions of love and the woman's intense desire to connect Lisa to her half-brother. Lisa had an array of reunion, emotions and experiences in the year, since we first spoke. </p><p>Now it's time for an update on Lisa's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa, my guest from episode 168, "A Vein of Gratitude" is back to share how her reunion has been in the year since we spoke. Lisa and I chatted the night  before Lisa met her birth mother for the first time. The COVID-19 pandemic had kept them apart, so the moment was imminent that they would finally meet. </p><p>The reunion went well, even though some discussion topics  were closed for exploration. Afterwards, Lisa struggled with her birth mother's expressions of love and the woman's intense desire to connect Lisa to her half-brother. Lisa had an array of reunion, emotions and experiences in the year, since we first spoke. </p><p>Now it's time for an update on Lisa's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/180-the-wandering-tree]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">2d7bfe12-b9ed-46ba-a894-05b1de2a71c4</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2022 00:45:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/71526f14-d796-49f3-bea4-1aeec3b573d7/180-20-20The-20Wandering-20Tree-20FINAL.mp3" length="80072155" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>55:36</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>10</itunes:season><itunes:episode>180</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>180</podcast:episode><podcast:season>10</podcast:season></item><item><title>179 - Building A Personal Trust Community</title><itunes:title>179 - Building A Personal Trust Community</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Mike, from SoCo, Maine was cruising through childhood until he was told he was adopted. The news shook Mike's confidence in relationships and the aftermath lingered in self doubt, creeping through his personal and professional life. </p><p>When he found his maternal family, Mike was welcomed in as his sister lamented that they missed so much time apart. Now Mike serves as Chairman of the Board of the National Council for Adoption (NCFA). He coaches others on bringing their best selves to every relationship through a process of building personal trust communities.  This is Mike's journey </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, from SoCo, Maine was cruising through childhood until he was told he was adopted. The news shook Mike's confidence in relationships and the aftermath lingered in self doubt, creeping through his personal and professional life. </p><p>When he found his maternal family, Mike was welcomed in as his sister lamented that they missed so much time apart. Now Mike serves as Chairman of the Board of the National Council for Adoption (NCFA). He coaches others on bringing their best selves to every relationship through a process of building personal trust communities.  This is Mike's journey </p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/179-]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">551db163-ca54-49bb-aa0e-0133cddc681b</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2022 00:30:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/80aa8c7f-f613-4e6e-93e3-8ef1778502d7/179-20-20Building-20A-20Personal-20Trust-20Community-20FINAL.mp3" length="81106615" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>56:19</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>10</itunes:season><itunes:episode>179</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>179</podcast:episode><podcast:season>10</podcast:season></item><item><title>178 - The Adoptee&apos;s Aftermath, Jenni Alpert aka Cami</title><itunes:title>178 - The Adoptee&apos;s Aftermath, Jenni Alpert aka Cami</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Singer/song writer Jenni Alpert, aka Cami, my guest from episode 96, is back to share an update on her life with her birth father, Don. Recall Jenni took on her birth nickname Cami and went under cover in the streets of Los Angeles to locate Don who was hiding from the law, using drugs, and living outside. </p><p>Using the tools in her belt that she'd accumulated throughout her life, Jenni became Don's advocate and introduced him to alternatives to life in the streets. When she revealed she was a musician, a creative partnership blossomed and they began performing together at non-profit homeless advocacy events, adoption and fostering events, and touring around the country. </p><p>Don is no longer with us, but Jenni is honoring her birth father by making her life's purpose to uplift others. </p><p>This is an update on Jenni's journey. </p><p>Go back and listen to: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/096-the-safe-space-thats-dons-place/id1223841587?i=1000447685072" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 096 - The Safe Place That's Don's Place</a></p><ul><li>﻿Music with Don: Until Then <a href="https://youtu.be/1Uxa0H1FHe4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/1Uxa0H1FHe4</a></li><li>Documentary: Homeless the Soundtrack (Apple TV, Google Play, YouTube TV)&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p><a href="https://youtu.be/kvWZ1inuvN8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/kvWZ1inuvN8</a></p><ul><li>Book: Home is Where the Heart is, An Adoption and Biological Reunion Story: A Memoir</li></ul><br/><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/0578938138/ref=cm_sw_r_awdo_7QTQV9NJCANHWD15M3YS" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.amazon.com/dp/0578938138/ref=cm_sw_r_awdo_7QTQV9NJCANHWD15M3YS</a></p><ul><li>Aftermath since Don's passing: <a href="https://youtu.be/xGVhaK1nRtk" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/xGVhaK1nRtk</a></li><li>Cami and Don music and speaking YouTube:</li><li><a href="https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_cdP6dotlBs23P1dR3eL9r3gqMUDu-oy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_cdP6dotlBs23P1dR3eL9r3gqMUDu-oy</a></li><li>Jenni Alpert&nbsp;Music&nbsp;<a href="https://youtube.com/user/JenniAlpert" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://youtube.com/user/JenniAlpert</a></li><li>Website:&nbsp;<a href="http://www.jennialpert.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.jennialpert.com</a></li><li>Don’s Take: (montage of my birth father Don’s perspective in the form of speeches and candid conversations, his take on Homelessness, Adoption, and Biological Reunions, &amp; our performances at shelters, rescue missions, adoption related programs, nightclubs and events) <a href="https://youtu.be/BW9Q-VI9z7A" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/BW9Q-VI9z7A</a></li><li>SoundCloud sound bytes recordings of Cami and Don candid conversations, challenging stigmas <a href="https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/tW15pMZB41biWNx79" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/tW15pMZB41biWNx79</a></li></ul><br/><blockquote><br></blockquote><p><strong><u>Who Am I Really?</u></strong></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><strong><u>Listen On</u></strong></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><strong><u>Social Media</u></strong></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><strong><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></strong></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Singer/song writer Jenni Alpert, aka Cami, my guest from episode 96, is back to share an update on her life with her birth father, Don. Recall Jenni took on her birth nickname Cami and went under cover in the streets of Los Angeles to locate Don who was hiding from the law, using drugs, and living outside. </p><p>Using the tools in her belt that she'd accumulated throughout her life, Jenni became Don's advocate and introduced him to alternatives to life in the streets. When she revealed she was a musician, a creative partnership blossomed and they began performing together at non-profit homeless advocacy events, adoption and fostering events, and touring around the country. </p><p>Don is no longer with us, but Jenni is honoring her birth father by making her life's purpose to uplift others. </p><p>This is an update on Jenni's journey. </p><p>Go back and listen to: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/096-the-safe-space-thats-dons-place/id1223841587?i=1000447685072" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Episode 096 - The Safe Place That's Don's Place</a></p><ul><li>﻿Music with Don: Until Then <a href="https://youtu.be/1Uxa0H1FHe4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/1Uxa0H1FHe4</a></li><li>Documentary: Homeless the Soundtrack (Apple TV, Google Play, YouTube TV)&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p><a href="https://youtu.be/kvWZ1inuvN8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/kvWZ1inuvN8</a></p><ul><li>Book: Home is Where the Heart is, An Adoption and Biological Reunion Story: A Memoir</li></ul><br/><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/0578938138/ref=cm_sw_r_awdo_7QTQV9NJCANHWD15M3YS" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.amazon.com/dp/0578938138/ref=cm_sw_r_awdo_7QTQV9NJCANHWD15M3YS</a></p><ul><li>Aftermath since Don's passing: <a href="https://youtu.be/xGVhaK1nRtk" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/xGVhaK1nRtk</a></li><li>Cami and Don music and speaking YouTube:</li><li><a href="https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_cdP6dotlBs23P1dR3eL9r3gqMUDu-oy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_cdP6dotlBs23P1dR3eL9r3gqMUDu-oy</a></li><li>Jenni Alpert&nbsp;Music&nbsp;<a href="https://youtube.com/user/JenniAlpert" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://youtube.com/user/JenniAlpert</a></li><li>Website:&nbsp;<a href="http://www.jennialpert.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.jennialpert.com</a></li><li>Don’s Take: (montage of my birth father Don’s perspective in the form of speeches and candid conversations, his take on Homelessness, Adoption, and Biological Reunions, &amp; our performances at shelters, rescue missions, adoption related programs, nightclubs and events) <a href="https://youtu.be/BW9Q-VI9z7A" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/BW9Q-VI9z7A</a></li><li>SoundCloud sound bytes recordings of Cami and Don candid conversations, challenging stigmas <a href="https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/tW15pMZB41biWNx79" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/tW15pMZB41biWNx79</a></li></ul><br/><blockquote><br></blockquote><p><strong><u>Who Am I Really?</u></strong></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><strong><u>Listen On</u></strong></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><strong><u>Social Media</u></strong></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><strong><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></strong></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/180-jenni-cami]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">3f795f3b-74a7-46a7-b6b4-564ec322027b</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2022 04:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/18af835f-24db-461d-b749-dd5c584e10ea/178-20-20The-20Adoptee-27s-20Aftermath-20Jenni-20Alpert-20aka-2.mp3" length="78074733" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>54:13</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>10</itunes:season><itunes:episode>178</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>178</podcast:episode><podcast:season>10</podcast:season></item><item><title>096 - The Safe Space That&apos;s Don&apos;s Place</title><itunes:title>096 - The Safe Space That&apos;s Don&apos;s Place</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Singer Song writer Jenni Alpert, commonly referred to by her birth name, Cami had a wonderful life supported by her adoptive parents as she pursued the performing arts. After her adoptive father passed away, she learned that her biological mother had too. Her maternal connections went well over time, but her paternal side remained a mystery. Locating her birth father was one thing… doing reconnaissance, ensuring her safety, and tapping into over a decade of her various volunteer experiences with people who’s lives were in the streets was something different.&nbsp;In their story you’ll hear the dedication of a daughter who found her birth father down and out, accepted him as he was , and worked hard to find a pathway for them to reunite and share their love of music. This is Jenni’s journey.</p><p><em>Photo:Cami (aka Jenni Alpert) and her birth father Don</em></p><p><em>Photo credit:&nbsp;Jeff Fasano&nbsp;</em></p><p>Here’s a link to the news story I referenced: https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/father-and-daughter-duo-reunited-in-song-62059077604</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Singer Song writer Jenni Alpert, commonly referred to by her birth name, Cami had a wonderful life supported by her adoptive parents as she pursued the performing arts. After her adoptive father passed away, she learned that her biological mother had too. Her maternal connections went well over time, but her paternal side remained a mystery. Locating her birth father was one thing… doing reconnaissance, ensuring her safety, and tapping into over a decade of her various volunteer experiences with people who’s lives were in the streets was something different.&nbsp;In their story you’ll hear the dedication of a daughter who found her birth father down and out, accepted him as he was , and worked hard to find a pathway for them to reunite and share their love of music. This is Jenni’s journey.</p><p><em>Photo:Cami (aka Jenni Alpert) and her birth father Don</em></p><p><em>Photo credit:&nbsp;Jeff Fasano&nbsp;</em></p><p>Here’s a link to the news story I referenced: https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/father-and-daughter-duo-reunited-in-song-62059077604</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/096-the-safe-space-thats-dons-place]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">7580af43-1141-430a-b35d-a7a499755ebb</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2022 05:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ca84bdf3-f6e8-4752-9a59-a43169af6f35/096-20-20The-20Safe-20Space-20That-27s-20Don-27s-20Place.mp3" length="89985331" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:02:29</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>10</itunes:season><itunes:episode>96</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>96</podcast:episode><podcast:season>10</podcast:season></item><item><title>177 - No Option To Ignore The Hard Stuff</title><itunes:title>177 - No Option To Ignore The Hard Stuff</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Alyssa, from Jacksonville, Florida, is a biracial woman who was adopted into a white family in a white community. Living without racial mirrors. She realized in her youth, she was missing a connection to the black community. With identifying information, Alyssa was able to locate her biological parents quickly, but Alyssa is eternally grateful that her maternal aunt was the cherished person she connected with first. </p><p>Alyssa's relationships with her biological parents are strained for now, but she holds out hope that her birth mother will come to understand how she feels, appreciate that she's doing the work to maintain her own happiness, and that they can reconnect one day.</p><p>This is Alyssa's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alyssa, from Jacksonville, Florida, is a biracial woman who was adopted into a white family in a white community. Living without racial mirrors. She realized in her youth, she was missing a connection to the black community. With identifying information, Alyssa was able to locate her biological parents quickly, but Alyssa is eternally grateful that her maternal aunt was the cherished person she connected with first. </p><p>Alyssa's relationships with her biological parents are strained for now, but she holds out hope that her birth mother will come to understand how she feels, appreciate that she's doing the work to maintain her own happiness, and that they can reconnect one day.</p><p>This is Alyssa's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/177-no-option-to-ignore-the-hard-stuff]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">335ce797-eea8-44f8-a904-65d38e0f9457</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2022 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/de04b913-6890-40c1-8050-80fc0128010f/177-20-20No-20Option-20To-20Ignore-20The-20Hard-20Stuff-20FINAL.mp3" length="146232393" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:41:33</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>10</itunes:season><itunes:episode>177</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>177</podcast:episode><podcast:season>10</podcast:season></item><item><title>176 - I&apos;m Glad I Opened Pandora&apos;s Box</title><itunes:title>176 - I&apos;m Glad I Opened Pandora&apos;s Box</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Shannon, from Hazel Green, Alabama, stood out from her adoptive family in looks and some personality traits. So there was a natural curiosity about her birth family. She assumed she'd be able to locate them, her whole story would be laid out with clear facts about her conception, and everything would make sense. </p><p>Instead, Shannon found a birth mother who had very little recollection of that time in her life, she was given misleading information, and she spent many years in a reunion with the wrong guy. </p><p>This is Shannon's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shannon, from Hazel Green, Alabama, stood out from her adoptive family in looks and some personality traits. So there was a natural curiosity about her birth family. She assumed she'd be able to locate them, her whole story would be laid out with clear facts about her conception, and everything would make sense. </p><p>Instead, Shannon found a birth mother who had very little recollection of that time in her life, she was given misleading information, and she spent many years in a reunion with the wrong guy. </p><p>This is Shannon's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/176-im-glad-i-opened-pandoras-box]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">baeb857b-0d1d-46eb-a077-dbda2242d2b7</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2022 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/bcbfbe20-cf9a-4ff6-9ad5-8b5d44081cc3/176-20-20I-27m-20Glad-20I-20Opened-20Pandora-27s-20Box-20Final.mp3" length="87883198" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:01:02</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>10</itunes:season><itunes:episode>176</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>176</podcast:episode><podcast:season>10</podcast:season></item><item><title>174 - It Wasn&apos;t You</title><itunes:title>174 - It Wasn&apos;t You</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Larry, from Grand Rapids, Michigan, talks about his life as a transracial adoptee in a predominantly white community where many white parents adopted black children. </p><p>In a desperate search for role models he latched on to some undesirable stereotypes of what a black man should be including stories he heard about his birth father. After a near death experience in the streets, Larry located his birth mother who eventually wrote the letter he needed to read to release the pressure he was under. </p><p>This is Larry's journey</p><p>"<a href="https://www.amazon.com/White-Confused-Black-Christian-Autobiography/dp/1096363186/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp;coliid=I2JJFGK1U5TRL7&amp;colid=2OFTHNWSIEPL8&amp;qid=&amp;sr=" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">White, Confused, Black and Christian</a>", by Larry Yff</p><p><a href="https://larryyff.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LarryYff.com</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry, from Grand Rapids, Michigan, talks about his life as a transracial adoptee in a predominantly white community where many white parents adopted black children. </p><p>In a desperate search for role models he latched on to some undesirable stereotypes of what a black man should be including stories he heard about his birth father. After a near death experience in the streets, Larry located his birth mother who eventually wrote the letter he needed to read to release the pressure he was under. </p><p>This is Larry's journey</p><p>"<a href="https://www.amazon.com/White-Confused-Black-Christian-Autobiography/dp/1096363186/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp;coliid=I2JJFGK1U5TRL7&amp;colid=2OFTHNWSIEPL8&amp;qid=&amp;sr=" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">White, Confused, Black and Christian</a>", by Larry Yff</p><p><a href="https://larryyff.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LarryYff.com</a></p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/174-it-wasnt-you]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">7dcbffc0-f62c-4ad3-adcf-0d55710fd40d</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2022 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/211d308c-4fe1-444b-8408-191cf62642c9/174-20-20It-20Wasn-27t-20You-20FINAL.MP3" length="64521561" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>44:48</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>10</itunes:season><itunes:episode>174</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>174</podcast:episode><podcast:season>10</podcast:season></item><item><title>173 - The Best Thing That&apos;s Ever Happened To Him</title><itunes:title>173 - The Best Thing That&apos;s Ever Happened To Him</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Julie, from Humboldt County, California, had a wonderful reunion with her birth mother and has learned how a woman operates, which has helped Julie managed some of her own feelings in their reunion. </p><p>But when Julie's birth mother admitted she'd had a one night stand, Julie thought she'd never find her birth father.</p><p>DNA testing helped her figure out that her birth father was one of two brothers and one of them was so much like her. He had to be the guy. But was he. When the truth was discovered, Julie was left to maintain the family secret. This is Julie's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie, from Humboldt County, California, had a wonderful reunion with her birth mother and has learned how a woman operates, which has helped Julie managed some of her own feelings in their reunion. </p><p>But when Julie's birth mother admitted she'd had a one night stand, Julie thought she'd never find her birth father.</p><p>DNA testing helped her figure out that her birth father was one of two brothers and one of them was so much like her. He had to be the guy. But was he. When the truth was discovered, Julie was left to maintain the family secret. This is Julie's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/173-the-best-thing-thats-ever-happened-to-him]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">785f1648-cb9b-42b9-a864-88d7798ffe7b</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2022 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/16989cb5-e5d2-48b8-9a29-9f8a95e7ba1c/173-20-20The-20Best-20Thing-20That-27s-20Ever-20Happened-20To-2.mp3" length="87918318" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:01:03</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>10</itunes:season><itunes:episode>173</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>173</podcast:episode><podcast:season>10</podcast:season></item><item><title>172 - I Died To Who I Had Been</title><itunes:title>172 - I Died To Who I Had Been</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>After years of struggling to get along with her adoptive mother, who struggled as a World War II survivor, Danielle finally figured out the reasons for their differences. She's a late discovery adoptee, but hers was less of a discovery, more of a revelation that overcame her in the middle of the night. </p><p>She found her birth mother who wondered why it took so long for them to finally connect. Then the magic died and their reunion was over. </p><p>Later Danielle did a DNA test connecting to a distant paternal relative, and it was just in time to meet her birth father. This is Danielle's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After years of struggling to get along with her adoptive mother, who struggled as a World War II survivor, Danielle finally figured out the reasons for their differences. She's a late discovery adoptee, but hers was less of a discovery, more of a revelation that overcame her in the middle of the night. </p><p>She found her birth mother who wondered why it took so long for them to finally connect. Then the magic died and their reunion was over. </p><p>Later Danielle did a DNA test connecting to a distant paternal relative, and it was just in time to meet her birth father. This is Danielle's journey.</p><p><u>Who Am I Really?</u></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li><li><br></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/172-i-died-to-who-i-had-been]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">baa8e54d-41e3-441d-a0ef-9e6883e9f81a</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2022 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/70cb7795-b6b1-40f8-b9e4-b26649c0a7e8/172-20-20Danielle-20Orr-20-20I-20Died-20To-20Who-20I-20Had-20Be.mp3" length="75346297" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>52:19</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>10</itunes:season><itunes:episode>172</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>172</podcast:episode><podcast:season>10</podcast:season></item><item><title>171 - Looking Like Him Might Be Too Much</title><itunes:title>171 - Looking Like Him Might Be Too Much</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan's admits adoption was always part of his story and he was never made to feel special or different. But after his adopted sister sought out her biological family for medical information, Jonathan decided it was time for his search to begin to. </p><p>What he found was such a great likeness to his paternal side, that it worked against him in meeting his biological mother who might not have been mentally strong enough to see the face of the young man she used to know appearing again on her adult, biological son. </p><p>This is Jonathan's journey.</p><p><strong><u>Who Am I Really?</u></strong></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><strong><u>Listen On</u></strong></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong><u>Social Media</u></strong></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></strong></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan's admits adoption was always part of his story and he was never made to feel special or different. But after his adopted sister sought out her biological family for medical information, Jonathan decided it was time for his search to begin to. </p><p>What he found was such a great likeness to his paternal side, that it worked against him in meeting his biological mother who might not have been mentally strong enough to see the face of the young man she used to know appearing again on her adult, biological son. </p><p>This is Jonathan's journey.</p><p><strong><u>Who Am I Really?</u></strong></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><strong><u>Listen On</u></strong></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong><u>Social Media</u></strong></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></strong></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/171]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">70188e5c-c66b-47c0-9cfe-7e7e0dc1295a</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 09 Apr 2022 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/67523cd4-24cd-42f7-93e7-7b635ec9e355/171-20-20Looking-20Like-20Him-20Might-20Be-20Too-20Much-20FINAL.mp3" length="52359596" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>36:22</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>10</itunes:season><itunes:episode>171</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>171</podcast:episode><podcast:season>10</podcast:season></item><item><title>170 - Something Good From The Misery</title><itunes:title>170 - Something Good From The Misery</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Mike who called me from Berlin, Germany was born in St. Louis, Missouri. It's a place he ultimately fought hard to try to get away from because of its association with his adoptive family. After years traveling the country, then moving abroad to Germany Mike found himself in reunion with his birth mother back in St. Louis. </p><p>Mike says that out of everyone, he looks the most like the one person he really wanted to find. And that these days he's turning some challenging experiences in his life into positivity for others.  </p><p>This is mike's journey</p><p><strong><u>Who Am I Really?</u></strong></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li></ul><br/><ul><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong><u>Listen On</u></strong></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><ul><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><ul><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><ul><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><ul><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><ul><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><ul><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><ul><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong><u>Social Media</u></strong></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><ul><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></strong></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike who called me from Berlin, Germany was born in St. Louis, Missouri. It's a place he ultimately fought hard to try to get away from because of its association with his adoptive family. After years traveling the country, then moving abroad to Germany Mike found himself in reunion with his birth mother back in St. Louis. </p><p>Mike says that out of everyone, he looks the most like the one person he really wanted to find. And that these days he's turning some challenging experiences in his life into positivity for others.  </p><p>This is mike's journey</p><p><strong><u>Who Am I Really?</u></strong></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li></ul><br/><ul><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong><u>Listen On</u></strong></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><ul><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li></ul><br/><p><br></p><ul><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><ul><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><ul><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><ul><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><ul><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><ul><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong><u>Social Media</u></strong></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><ul><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p><p><strong><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></strong></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/170-something-good-from-the-misery]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">0c2d1cdc-6f9a-4b5a-bc8f-e1a2215f4d19</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/47790aa1-b987-4698-9e30-569eacbbea4f/170-20-20Something-20Good-20From-20The-20Misery-20FINAL.mp3" length="72172112" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>50:07</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>10</itunes:season><itunes:episode>170</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>170</podcast:episode><podcast:season>10</podcast:season></item><item><title>169 - The Constellation In One Woman</title><itunes:title>169 - The Constellation In One Woman</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Rebecca  called me from outside of Richmond, Virginia. She has lived a life in adoption from the formation of her family, with her adoption to becoming a birth mother, dedicating her professional life to adoption and experiencing reunion with her birth mother birth father and her son. </p><p>Her reunions have been a mix of denial and near rejection to full acceptance after years of anticipation and surprise to be found by the parents of her own child.  You're going to be amazed to hear how much adoption can be woven throughout one adoptee's life. This is Rebecca's journey</p><p><strong><u>Who Am I Really?</u></strong></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><strong><u>Listen On</u></strong></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><strong><u>Social Media</u></strong></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><strong><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></strong></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li></ul><br/>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebecca  called me from outside of Richmond, Virginia. She has lived a life in adoption from the formation of her family, with her adoption to becoming a birth mother, dedicating her professional life to adoption and experiencing reunion with her birth mother birth father and her son. </p><p>Her reunions have been a mix of denial and near rejection to full acceptance after years of anticipation and surprise to be found by the parents of her own child.  You're going to be amazed to hear how much adoption can be woven throughout one adoptee's life. This is Rebecca's journey</p><p><strong><u>Who Am I Really?</u></strong></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li>Share Your Story -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><strong><u>Listen On</u></strong></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li>Spotify -&nbsp;<a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li>TuneIn -&nbsp;<a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li>Stitcher -&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li>Player FM -&nbsp;<a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li>Podbean -&nbsp;<a href="bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><strong><u>Social Media</u></strong></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li>Instagram -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><strong><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></strong></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/169-the-constellation-in-one-woman]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">23ce2952-cc1e-466a-b77c-675b54dc2b2c</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2022 07:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c0385a94-2ccc-4fb1-a1ef-d943d301877d/169-the-constellation-in-one-woman.mp3" length="113656023" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:18:56</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>10</itunes:season><itunes:episode>169</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>169</podcast:episode><podcast:season>10</podcast:season></item><item><title>168 - A Vein Of Gratitude</title><itunes:title>168 - A Vein Of Gratitude</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>When Lisa and I chatted, she was in a hotel in South Dakota, but she normally resides in Tennessee. She was in town for the momentous occasion of reuniting with her birth mother the next day. We agreed to chat ahead of time because Lisa knew she would be a different person after reunion. </p><p>Lisa led a quiet life, surrounded by family she loved and felt deeply connected to. Her adoption was never kept a secret from her and played a constant theme in her life. Guided by gratitude and the question, "where do I come from?" Lisa's journey started with a DNA test, which opened the doors to help her answer that nagging question. Lisa mapped out generations of her family tree, discovered she was a secret to some in her family and a sequestered fact to others. The path of Lisa's reunion still has a winding road ahead so, this is Lisa's journey so far... (part 2 of Lisa's journey will be ep. 181 - Wandering Tree)</p><p><strong><u>Who Am I Really?</u></strong></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li><strong><u>Share Your Story -&nbsp;</u></strong><a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li><strong><u>Spotify -&nbsp;</u></strong><a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li><strong><u>TuneIn -&nbsp;</u></strong><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li><strong><u>Stitcher -&nbsp;</u></strong><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li><strong><u>Player FM -&nbsp;</u></strong><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li><strong><u>Podbean -&nbsp;</u></strong><a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li><strong><u>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;</u></strong><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li><strong><u>Instagram -&nbsp;</u></strong><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Lisa and I chatted, she was in a hotel in South Dakota, but she normally resides in Tennessee. She was in town for the momentous occasion of reuniting with her birth mother the next day. We agreed to chat ahead of time because Lisa knew she would be a different person after reunion. </p><p>Lisa led a quiet life, surrounded by family she loved and felt deeply connected to. Her adoption was never kept a secret from her and played a constant theme in her life. Guided by gratitude and the question, "where do I come from?" Lisa's journey started with a DNA test, which opened the doors to help her answer that nagging question. Lisa mapped out generations of her family tree, discovered she was a secret to some in her family and a sequestered fact to others. The path of Lisa's reunion still has a winding road ahead so, this is Lisa's journey so far... (part 2 of Lisa's journey will be ep. 181 - Wandering Tree)</p><p><strong><u>Who Am I Really?</u></strong></p><ul><li>Who Am I Really? Website -&nbsp;<a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/</a></li><li><strong><u>Share Your Story -&nbsp;</u></strong><a href="http://bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2imgrtv_Share</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Listen On</u></p><ul><li>Apple Podcasts&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://apple.co/2oOd25m" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://apple.co/2oOd25m</a></li><li><strong><u>Spotify -&nbsp;</u></strong><a href="https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spoti.fi/2RN3jcB</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Google Play&nbsp;-&nbsp;<a href="http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oEU7bH</a></li><li><strong><u>TuneIn -&nbsp;</u></strong><a href="http://tun.in/piyg9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tun.in/piyg9</a></li><li><strong><u>Stitcher -&nbsp;</u></strong><a href="http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2DsqBxk_Stitcher</a></li><li><strong><u>Player FM -&nbsp;</u></strong><a href="https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://player.fm/series/who-am-i-really</a></li><li><strong><u>Podbean -&nbsp;</u></strong><a href="https://my.captivate.fm/bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/2I0ITeY_Podbean</a></li><li><strong><u>YouTube&nbsp;-&nbsp;</u></strong><a href="http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/2oF3yrH</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Social Media</u></p><ul><li>Facebook -&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/WAIReally/</a></li><li><strong><u>Instagram -&nbsp;</u></strong><a href="https://www.instagram.com/waireally/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/waireally/</a></li></ul><br/><p><u>Damon's own story in print and audio: </u></p><ul><li>Damon's story "Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir” -&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</a></li></ul><br/><p><br></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/168-a-vein-of-gratitude]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">44cfab51-6cc2-4883-bc59-8bfcbf9a2fb5</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2022 05:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/943e7f22-6db0-4947-9108-3fc8dba632bc/168-a-vein-of-gratitude-final.mp3" length="46685772" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>32:25</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>10</itunes:season><itunes:episode>168</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>168</podcast:episode><podcast:season>10</podcast:season></item><item><title>167 - We Had Two Close Encounters</title><itunes:title>167 - We Had Two Close Encounters</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Today my guest is Micheleana who lives outside of Kansas city in Lawrence, Kansas. Micheleana's early life was tumultuous after her parents divorced. Her adoptive mother passed away suddenly, and she was abandoned by her adoptive family. Incredibly her birth father walked right into her life twice and she didn't even recognize him. </p><p>Unfortunately, she got an unexpectedly awkward introduction to her birth mother that may have set the stage of continued uneasiness between them when it comes to really getting to know one another. This is Micheleana's journey</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today my guest is Micheleana who lives outside of Kansas city in Lawrence, Kansas. Micheleana's early life was tumultuous after her parents divorced. Her adoptive mother passed away suddenly, and she was abandoned by her adoptive family. Incredibly her birth father walked right into her life twice and she didn't even recognize him. </p><p>Unfortunately, she got an unexpectedly awkward introduction to her birth mother that may have set the stage of continued uneasiness between them when it comes to really getting to know one another. This is Micheleana's journey</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/167-we-had-two-close-encounters]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">1c562fe4-3c02-461d-95bb-8ff247b23575</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2021 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/9ddf246c-df5e-4297-af0e-c1dc0b7dd348/167-we-had-two-close-encounters-final2.mp3" length="78560615" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>54:33</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>9</itunes:season><itunes:episode>167</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>167</podcast:episode><podcast:season>9</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/cecf4530-476e-496c-9db0-f24d0ed9f79a/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>166 - I Never Knew Nature vs Nurture</title><itunes:title>166 - I Never Knew Nature vs Nurture</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Today you're going to meet Michael who called me from Atlanta, Georgia. Michael grew up with adoptive parents who were functional alcoholics which meant they had a dysfunctional home with a narcissistic mother and a detached father. When DNA testing linked Michael with his maternal family he learned that his siblings knew about him but his birth mother was kept in the dark that her secret had been revealed. </p><p>In reunion, Michael's eyes were opened to the meaning of nature versus nurture when he found shared physical traits and common interests in athletics, music and more. Now Michael helps run an Adoptees Connect group in Atlanta for adopted people to link up and support one another. </p><p>This is Michael's journey.   </p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today you're going to meet Michael who called me from Atlanta, Georgia. Michael grew up with adoptive parents who were functional alcoholics which meant they had a dysfunctional home with a narcissistic mother and a detached father. When DNA testing linked Michael with his maternal family he learned that his siblings knew about him but his birth mother was kept in the dark that her secret had been revealed. </p><p>In reunion, Michael's eyes were opened to the meaning of nature versus nurture when he found shared physical traits and common interests in athletics, music and more. Now Michael helps run an Adoptees Connect group in Atlanta for adopted people to link up and support one another. </p><p>This is Michael's journey.   </p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/166-i-never-knew-nature-vs-nurture]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">0c70b8f6-1aa0-4a88-a309-5dcaa40af825</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2021 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/6c216675-872c-46e6-9fea-f1a58de14d48/166-i-never-knew-nature-vs-nurture.mp3" length="80398175" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>55:50</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>9</itunes:season><itunes:episode>166</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>166</podcast:episode><podcast:season>9</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/d08cadc4-4ece-43e7-bde3-3b32d83fcd69/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>165 - The Right Time To Be Found</title><itunes:title>165 - The Right Time To Be Found</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Elisa  lives outside of Philadelphia. She shares her story of the DNA test. She completed to learn more about her heritage that surprisingly linked her to her birth mother.  The woman was lifelong friends with Elisa's birth father's family, but the man never knew that Elisa existed until her birth mother helped connect them at her own home. Elisa's birth mother has met her adoptive parents which filled an unrecognized void in her parents' lives this is Elisa's journey </p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elisa  lives outside of Philadelphia. She shares her story of the DNA test. She completed to learn more about her heritage that surprisingly linked her to her birth mother.  The woman was lifelong friends with Elisa's birth father's family, but the man never knew that Elisa existed until her birth mother helped connect them at her own home. Elisa's birth mother has met her adoptive parents which filled an unrecognized void in her parents' lives this is Elisa's journey </p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/165-the-right-time-to-be-found]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">488168f8-e830-45c9-bc7f-df5aaab7b2a3</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 04 Dec 2021 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/016d4d19-11d4-427c-bfee-66f7db8c86ab/165-the-right-time-to-be-found-final.mp3" length="68768457" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>47:45</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>9</itunes:season><itunes:episode>165</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>165</podcast:episode><podcast:season>9</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/c79b2031-4e00-45ac-ae4d-6e4fb9da901b/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>164 - Adoptees Thriving</title><itunes:title>164 - Adoptees Thriving</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Simon from the United Kingdom,  knew he was adopted from as early as he can remember. When he finally decided to search for his birth mother, he had a flash of anger about the toy. The woman left him. </p><p>But when he learned of her situation and heard another birth mother's perspective, that his anger was likely misguided, he quickly changed course to empathizing with his birth mother. Listen to Simon's efforts to support other adoptees and his desire to change prevailing narratives in adoption. This is simon's journey</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon from the United Kingdom,  knew he was adopted from as early as he can remember. When he finally decided to search for his birth mother, he had a flash of anger about the toy. The woman left him. </p><p>But when he learned of her situation and heard another birth mother's perspective, that his anger was likely misguided, he quickly changed course to empathizing with his birth mother. Listen to Simon's efforts to support other adoptees and his desire to change prevailing narratives in adoption. This is simon's journey</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/164-adoptees-thriving]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">ac1d86c8-a646-4ef5-afb4-5a36ef92b89a</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 27 Nov 2021 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/13f6ed02-afb4-46a9-a67d-026e0f4af7de/164-adoptees-thriving-final.mp3" length="63808734" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>44:19</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>9</itunes:season><itunes:episode>164</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>164</podcast:episode><podcast:season>9</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/999d3483-b723-42a3-81f0-f414c49995f3/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>163 - It&apos;s All About Connections</title><itunes:title>163 - It&apos;s All About Connections</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Debbie  lives outside of Portland, Oregon. Her parents adopted her and her brother too soon after tragedy struck their family. Debbie found her roots in Kansas, in a small town where the grape vine unexpectedly spread news fast that she was in town. Uh, sad loss. Oddly gave Debbie a chance to connect more deeply with her birth mother. </p><p>But her birth father only told half of his family about Debbie creating a minefield of secrets in this era of consumer DNA testing. This is Debbie's journey</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie  lives outside of Portland, Oregon. Her parents adopted her and her brother too soon after tragedy struck their family. Debbie found her roots in Kansas, in a small town where the grape vine unexpectedly spread news fast that she was in town. Uh, sad loss. Oddly gave Debbie a chance to connect more deeply with her birth mother. </p><p>But her birth father only told half of his family about Debbie creating a minefield of secrets in this era of consumer DNA testing. This is Debbie's journey</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/163-its-all-about-connections]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">ede642c8-12d8-4655-891a-716682585aa1</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2021 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/e8ed280c-4159-4fb6-898c-c141511a07d9/163-it-s-all-about-connections-final.mp3" length="70335177" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>48:51</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>9</itunes:season><itunes:episode>163</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>163</podcast:episode><podcast:season>9</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/927d5302-7259-4f3d-843a-a61e09c9261e/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>162 - Looking At Him, I Could See Who I Was</title><itunes:title>162 - Looking At Him, I Could See Who I Was</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Cindy lives outside of Sacramento, California. She and her sister were placed in foster care where they learned to protect themselves and be tough. Cindy's search started with an abundance of identifiable information thanks to her adoptive parents. </p><p>In reunion, she found a man she truly resembled, was bonded to, but who was forced to cut their relationship again until his final days. Cindy found the pieces that were missing in her personal puzzle and healing that she, and many other people involved in her adoption reunion, really needed. </p><p>This is Cindy's journey.</p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PV31DFN/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Once In A Lullaby: My Journey Home</a></p><p><a href="https://www.livinglightoasis.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.livinglightoasis.com/</a></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cindy lives outside of Sacramento, California. She and her sister were placed in foster care where they learned to protect themselves and be tough. Cindy's search started with an abundance of identifiable information thanks to her adoptive parents. </p><p>In reunion, she found a man she truly resembled, was bonded to, but who was forced to cut their relationship again until his final days. Cindy found the pieces that were missing in her personal puzzle and healing that she, and many other people involved in her adoption reunion, really needed. </p><p>This is Cindy's journey.</p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PV31DFN/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Once In A Lullaby: My Journey Home</a></p><p><a href="https://www.livinglightoasis.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.livinglightoasis.com/</a></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/162-looking-at-him-i-could-see-who-i-was]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">d9d99963-4be7-4fa2-b281-11dd50c738d3</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2021 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d498a310-acb9-4476-bc93-6cf93283eb2f/162-looking-at-him-i-could-see-who-i-was-final.mp3" length="82925373" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>57:35</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>9</itunes:season><itunes:episode>162</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>162</podcast:episode><podcast:season>9</podcast:season></item><item><title>161 - Dear Stephen Michael&apos;s Mother, Kevin Barhydt</title><itunes:title>161 - Dear Stephen Michael&apos;s Mother, Kevin Barhydt</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, from upstate New York, shares his journey to find his worthiness, to beat in this life. His search for his birth mother led him to the one woman who knew he existed and the unexpected sibling set that has fortified his own fight to carry on. </p><p>Kevin continues his search for his paternal connections. All with his angel Roz on his shoulder. Loving him as she loved her own birth children. This is Kevin's journey.  </p><p>Check out Kevin's book: "Dear Stephen Michael's Mother"</p><p><a href="https://www.kevinbarhydt.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.kevinbarhydt.com</a></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, from upstate New York, shares his journey to find his worthiness, to beat in this life. His search for his birth mother led him to the one woman who knew he existed and the unexpected sibling set that has fortified his own fight to carry on. </p><p>Kevin continues his search for his paternal connections. All with his angel Roz on his shoulder. Loving him as she loved her own birth children. This is Kevin's journey.  </p><p>Check out Kevin's book: "Dear Stephen Michael's Mother"</p><p><a href="https://www.kevinbarhydt.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.kevinbarhydt.com</a></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/161-dear-stephen-michaels-mother-kevin-barhydt]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">52a2c54b-7b13-4e92-9a9e-ddb61ead19ff</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/6a486f9f-c6c4-4fa8-8584-a85cd344b706/zPd5t5ewT3Q9LZi_MRtQIuVz.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2021 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/78278e53-9ff2-4802-ab05-133424cd1349/161-dear-stephen-michael-s-mother-kevin-barhydt-final.mp3" length="88600430" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:01:32</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>9</itunes:season><itunes:episode>161</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>161</podcast:episode><podcast:season>9</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/8da29474-a422-4b4a-871f-68b79b3a4621/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>160 - He Was Waiting For Me</title><itunes:title>160 - He Was Waiting For Me</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Erika called me from outside of Fort Lauderdale, Florida. </p><p>Ericka and her older adopted brother were doing fine  with their adoptive parents until the birth of their siblings created an unspoken split between the children. </p><p>In reunion, Erika's mother was an open book about her experiences as one of the girls who went away, while her adoptive mother was closed to the fact that Erika was actually related to her birth mother, subscribing to the blank slate mentality of the baby scope era. </p><p>Connecting with her birth father she found a man who always knew about her but didn't realize that he missed her until Erika returned. </p><p>This is Erika's journey.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erika called me from outside of Fort Lauderdale, Florida. </p><p>Ericka and her older adopted brother were doing fine  with their adoptive parents until the birth of their siblings created an unspoken split between the children. </p><p>In reunion, Erika's mother was an open book about her experiences as one of the girls who went away, while her adoptive mother was closed to the fact that Erika was actually related to her birth mother, subscribing to the blank slate mentality of the baby scope era. </p><p>Connecting with her birth father she found a man who always knew about her but didn't realize that he missed her until Erika returned. </p><p>This is Erika's journey.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/160-he-was-waiting-for-me]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">edfb49bc-901a-4dc0-ab02-1f515d94daf1</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2021 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/85db17fb-0851-4eee-998a-064fe79a84ae/160-he-was-waiting-for-me-final.mp3" length="105942787" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:13:34</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>9</itunes:season><itunes:episode>160</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>160</podcast:episode><podcast:season>9</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/f28abdda-2545-49d6-a650-43d5cc53e332/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>159 - Voices of Indian Adoptees</title><itunes:title>159 - Voices of Indian Adoptees</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Today's adoptee story is Winnie's. She called me from Los Angeles, California. Growing up, Winnie's adoptive parents were closed to discussing her adoption, rejected her basic desire to socialize and left her to fend for herself in the name of creating an independent woman. But her treatment was unfairly different from that of her adopted sister. </p><p>When he has an arduous road ahead seeking reunion with her birth mother in India in the face of information inaccuracies.  And in the wake of massive COVID 19 casualties.  Winnie is the creator of Indian Adoptees Connect, a community for Indian adopted people like herself. </p><p>This is Winnie's journey</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today's adoptee story is Winnie's. She called me from Los Angeles, California. Growing up, Winnie's adoptive parents were closed to discussing her adoption, rejected her basic desire to socialize and left her to fend for herself in the name of creating an independent woman. But her treatment was unfairly different from that of her adopted sister. </p><p>When he has an arduous road ahead seeking reunion with her birth mother in India in the face of information inaccuracies.  And in the wake of massive COVID 19 casualties.  Winnie is the creator of Indian Adoptees Connect, a community for Indian adopted people like herself. </p><p>This is Winnie's journey</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/159-voices-of-indian-adoptees]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">a6cd37e9-2080-4885-b1eb-8e2f444cfab5</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/ebf8890c-6e0a-4f70-855a-6648d14cde7d/Kvi0R28Q7m-VCQV3dnLodcBg.jpeg"/><pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2021 05:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/71387720-9eba-4005-b4bc-949e782d5c96/159-voices-of-indian-adoptees-final.mp3" length="69616077" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>48:21</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>9</itunes:season><itunes:episode>159</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>159</podcast:episode><podcast:season>9</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/59ec11cc-906f-4227-80fe-1cf08ac59fd3/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>158 - Creating Space To Find Who I Am</title><itunes:title>158 - Creating Space To Find Who I Am</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Pam called me from Lexington, Kentucky.</p><p>Growing up in adoption she suffered  in the care of her adoptive mother who was unable to be a to parent her children because she was barely holding on herself.</p><p>In reunion Pam found two alcoholics and when she looked in the mirror she saw someone who needed to change her trajectory before she followed in their footsteps. </p><p>Pam has done a lot of empathizing to heal herself, and focused her energy on creating  Adoptees Connect to help other adopted people find support like what she needed in her darkest days.  </p><p>She also founded <a href="https://adopteeremembranceday.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Adoptee Remembrance Day</strong></a><strong>, October 30th</strong>, #adopteeremembranceday. It's a time to recognize Adoptee Suicide, Adoptee Abuse &amp; Neglect, and Adoptee Loss.</p><p>This is Pam's journey. </p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pam called me from Lexington, Kentucky.</p><p>Growing up in adoption she suffered  in the care of her adoptive mother who was unable to be a to parent her children because she was barely holding on herself.</p><p>In reunion Pam found two alcoholics and when she looked in the mirror she saw someone who needed to change her trajectory before she followed in their footsteps. </p><p>Pam has done a lot of empathizing to heal herself, and focused her energy on creating  Adoptees Connect to help other adopted people find support like what she needed in her darkest days.  </p><p>She also founded <a href="https://adopteeremembranceday.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>Adoptee Remembrance Day</strong></a><strong>, October 30th</strong>, #adopteeremembranceday. It's a time to recognize Adoptee Suicide, Adoptee Abuse &amp; Neglect, and Adoptee Loss.</p><p>This is Pam's journey. </p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/158-creating-space-to-find-who-i-am]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">da2f2dc3-9038-4a07-b565-b98c6a4b7660</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/6e9faf8b-c4f5-430a-98fe-fe547d23e9d2/2WXftYI07VwtNz7VYrLa4JSv.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2021 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/89e95d94-d3db-4dc8-82a3-2c4f0d779338/158-creating-space-to-find-who-i-am-final.mp3" length="90997831" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:03:12</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>9</itunes:season><itunes:episode>158</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>158</podcast:episode><podcast:season>9</podcast:season></item><item><title>157 - My Surreal Parents</title><itunes:title>157 - My Surreal Parents</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Ed called me from here in Maryland. He shared the sad, circumstances of his adoptive parents losing two children, but not really healing from the losses, feeling loyalty to his adoptive parents. Ed went on a clandestine search for his birth mother, found her then lost touch for years. All of which exacerbated his anxiety within him. Fortunately Ed reunited with his maternal and paternal sides and connected to his personal history in some unique ways. This is Ed's journey.  </p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed called me from here in Maryland. He shared the sad, circumstances of his adoptive parents losing two children, but not really healing from the losses, feeling loyalty to his adoptive parents. Ed went on a clandestine search for his birth mother, found her then lost touch for years. All of which exacerbated his anxiety within him. Fortunately Ed reunited with his maternal and paternal sides and connected to his personal history in some unique ways. This is Ed's journey.  </p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/157-my-surreal-parents]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">9324dc92-f619-4525-9f2f-10f64053769c</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2021 05:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/4ff8dfe9-850c-493a-81a6-0f9733197d4f/157-my-surreal-parents-final.mp3" length="78966235" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>54:50</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>9</itunes:season><itunes:episode>157</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>157</podcast:episode><podcast:season>9</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/5078d01d-95f1-4de9-84a2-a2e282d6b143/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>156 - Sibling Strangers</title><itunes:title>156 - Sibling Strangers</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer, from Standardsville, Virginia, said growing up in New York, she had a very different childhood experience in her family than her sister, who was biological to their parents. Their mother suffered with substance abuse and deep down the woman probably knew she wasn't as good a mother to Jennifer as she could've been. </p><p>In reunion Jennifer realized that secrets of the past were hard to overcome  because they were ladened with stigma from her birth mother's pregnancy experience. </p><p>Her paternal reunion was a surreal phone experience that you have to hear Jennifer tell to believe. Thankfully her aunt and younger sister made up for the shocking phone conversation she had with her birth father. This is jennifer's journey.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer, from Standardsville, Virginia, said growing up in New York, she had a very different childhood experience in her family than her sister, who was biological to their parents. Their mother suffered with substance abuse and deep down the woman probably knew she wasn't as good a mother to Jennifer as she could've been. </p><p>In reunion Jennifer realized that secrets of the past were hard to overcome  because they were ladened with stigma from her birth mother's pregnancy experience. </p><p>Her paternal reunion was a surreal phone experience that you have to hear Jennifer tell to believe. Thankfully her aunt and younger sister made up for the shocking phone conversation she had with her birth father. This is jennifer's journey.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/156-sibling-strangers]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">fd1f405a-0e86-4e47-a542-7e4069043f73</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2021 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/0f86a200-23e3-4e63-98ce-a8f7729b29b7/156-sibling-strangers-final.mp3" length="106036825" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:13:38</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>9</itunes:season><itunes:episode>156</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>156</podcast:episode><podcast:season>9</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/0a701e34-c21c-43f6-b74e-7e0b9aadad9c/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>069 – I Lived As A Secret, That’s Not Healthy</title><itunes:title>069 – I Lived As A Secret, That’s Not Healthy</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Honor described a childhood in isolation, so much so that it impacted her health when she started school.&nbsp;Wondering about her biological parents, she developed a romantic story in her mind that they were in love but simply couldn’t keep her.&nbsp;It took her many years to track down her real story which was far more complex, and at one point she thought that one of her worst fears was true.&nbsp;When she found her birth mother, they only had a passing anonymous introduction to one another and when they met again years later, the woman was unable to recognize who Honor was.&nbsp;When Honor tracked down her birth father, his actions indicated he was the right guy, even if he didn’t explicitly say so.</p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Honor:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=5.58" target="_blank"><u>00:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Then he said, “oh, and there’s something else”, and I said, “what.? And he said, “she claims that she was raped”, so I was in bits.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=14.53" target="_blank"><u>00:14</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Really.?</p><p>Honor:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=15.2" target="_blank"><u>00:15</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I remember going into the garden alone and wondering about and I wanted to cry but couldn’t. I was just crucified inside because that for me, was the worst scenario that I could hear.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.99" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who Am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.25" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Honor. She called me from outside of Edinburgh. Scotland. Honor described a childhood in isolation, so much so that it impacted her health when she started school. It took her many years to track down her real story and at one point she thought that one of her worst fears was true when she found her birth mother. They only had a passing anonymous introduction to one another, and when they met again years later, the woman was unable to recognize who Honor was when Honor tracked down her birth father. His actions indicated he was the right guy even if he didn’t explicitly say so. This is Honors journey. Honor was born in good shepherd, mother and baby home in bishop ton near Glasgow, Scotland. Her mother and father adopted her as slightly older parents, 44 and 42 respectively on her, says she was adopted officially at four years old and she remembers that time of their lives because her parents seemed agitated, which she still remembers clearly. They told her she was adopted, but she didn’t know what it meant. She just knew it was a word. She should definitely remember</p><p>Honor:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=132.62" target="_blank"><u>02:12</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And occasionally, I would ask the question, why did you choose to me? Um, I think it was probably because I liked the answer, which is because she was the one who smiled. And then I sensed this was old preschool and pre five year old. I then became very aware of how uncomfortable my mother became. If I asked the question, she didn’t like it</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=157.34" target="_blank"><u>02:37</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;and what would she do, how could you tell</p><p>Honor:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=160.05" target="_blank"><u>02:40</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;she she, she would look uncomfortable and would just say, well, because you were the one that smiled and carry on doing something else. She’d never sat me on her knee and talked about it nicely. It was like I answered, now shut up. It was definitely a discomfort situation which I picked up on. So I stopped asking the question,</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=185.81" target="_blank"><u>03:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Honor said ask her father about adoption, either adoption was never mentioned again in the family except for one time when her father was near the end of his life.</p><p>Honor:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=196.27" target="_blank"><u>03:16</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The only time that it came to the fore was when my father was terminally ill and the consultant was asking him questions and one of the questions was how many children does he have? And he said none. And I was sitting there beside him. And the consultants sort of appeared over his glasses at me. Am I squirmed in the seat seats? You know, I mean, it was ridiculous really. And he asked the question again and he said that was the impact, the lifelong impact of infertility came bubbling to the surface.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=237.57" target="_blank"><u>03:57</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And what did you feel inside when he basically denied you as his daughter?</p><p>Honor:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=244.49" target="_blank"><u>04:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Very uncomfortable, but I forgave him because the poor man was dying literally, and he wasn’t himself. HIs mind, had sort of. … I don’t know what else he would just said if he had been better than he was. Even a couple of months prior to that. I’m not sure whether he was just said yes and I have one adopted daughter or something of that nature, but he just said no, no children</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=276.51"...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honor described a childhood in isolation, so much so that it impacted her health when she started school.&nbsp;Wondering about her biological parents, she developed a romantic story in her mind that they were in love but simply couldn’t keep her.&nbsp;It took her many years to track down her real story which was far more complex, and at one point she thought that one of her worst fears was true.&nbsp;When she found her birth mother, they only had a passing anonymous introduction to one another and when they met again years later, the woman was unable to recognize who Honor was.&nbsp;When Honor tracked down her birth father, his actions indicated he was the right guy, even if he didn’t explicitly say so.</p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Honor:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=5.58" target="_blank"><u>00:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Then he said, “oh, and there’s something else”, and I said, “what.? And he said, “she claims that she was raped”, so I was in bits.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=14.53" target="_blank"><u>00:14</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Really.?</p><p>Honor:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=15.2" target="_blank"><u>00:15</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I remember going into the garden alone and wondering about and I wanted to cry but couldn’t. I was just crucified inside because that for me, was the worst scenario that I could hear.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.99" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who Am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.25" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Honor. She called me from outside of Edinburgh. Scotland. Honor described a childhood in isolation, so much so that it impacted her health when she started school. It took her many years to track down her real story and at one point she thought that one of her worst fears was true when she found her birth mother. They only had a passing anonymous introduction to one another, and when they met again years later, the woman was unable to recognize who Honor was when Honor tracked down her birth father. His actions indicated he was the right guy even if he didn’t explicitly say so. This is Honors journey. Honor was born in good shepherd, mother and baby home in bishop ton near Glasgow, Scotland. Her mother and father adopted her as slightly older parents, 44 and 42 respectively on her, says she was adopted officially at four years old and she remembers that time of their lives because her parents seemed agitated, which she still remembers clearly. They told her she was adopted, but she didn’t know what it meant. She just knew it was a word. She should definitely remember</p><p>Honor:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=132.62" target="_blank"><u>02:12</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And occasionally, I would ask the question, why did you choose to me? Um, I think it was probably because I liked the answer, which is because she was the one who smiled. And then I sensed this was old preschool and pre five year old. I then became very aware of how uncomfortable my mother became. If I asked the question, she didn’t like it</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=157.34" target="_blank"><u>02:37</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;and what would she do, how could you tell</p><p>Honor:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=160.05" target="_blank"><u>02:40</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;she she, she would look uncomfortable and would just say, well, because you were the one that smiled and carry on doing something else. She’d never sat me on her knee and talked about it nicely. It was like I answered, now shut up. It was definitely a discomfort situation which I picked up on. So I stopped asking the question,</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=185.81" target="_blank"><u>03:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Honor said ask her father about adoption, either adoption was never mentioned again in the family except for one time when her father was near the end of his life.</p><p>Honor:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=196.27" target="_blank"><u>03:16</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The only time that it came to the fore was when my father was terminally ill and the consultant was asking him questions and one of the questions was how many children does he have? And he said none. And I was sitting there beside him. And the consultants sort of appeared over his glasses at me. Am I squirmed in the seat seats? You know, I mean, it was ridiculous really. And he asked the question again and he said that was the impact, the lifelong impact of infertility came bubbling to the surface.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=237.57" target="_blank"><u>03:57</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And what did you feel inside when he basically denied you as his daughter?</p><p>Honor:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=244.49" target="_blank"><u>04:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Very uncomfortable, but I forgave him because the poor man was dying literally, and he wasn’t himself. HIs mind, had sort of. … I don’t know what else he would just said if he had been better than he was. Even a couple of months prior to that. I’m not sure whether he was just said yes and I have one adopted daughter or something of that nature, but he just said no, no children</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=276.51" target="_blank"><u>04:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Honor said she was around 41. Her father denied her existence as his daughter, but she forgives him because he had cancer that had deeply impacted him. Going back to her childhood, Honor said she was sent to a convent school at the age of four years old. She was younger than her peer group because of her February birthday. She says those preschool years were very lonely, so she learned to entertain herself even though her mother was a stay at home mom. She was a home body, always talking on the phone, sewing, but not engaged in the activities that enrich a kid’s life. She didn’t take her to the park to play and she didn’t read Honor stories either. Her father did that at bedtime,</p><p>Honor:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=319.05" target="_blank"><u>05:19</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;so he introduced me to the world of books. He was an avid reader himself and it was he who would take me out, say, SAturday morning She would meet a friend for coffee and he would take me to look at the steam trains At waverly station, so we’d go into trains and wander around the guardes while she had coffee and then we’d meet up again and come home</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=345.55" target="_blank"><u>05:45</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;at eight years old. Honored was introduced to riding lessons and she fell in love with the fantasy of owning a pony. One day as we talked, I realized she was so locked away from the world. She probably would have latched onto whatever activity her parents introduced her to and Honor. Agreed. She said she spent her first year of school at home in bed, sick. That secret from the world prevented her from developing immunity, so she caught everything like measles, mumps, and whatever was lingering about. She had to repeat that year, which was okay because she went to school with a nicer group of girls and she was older than the other students. Not Younger, which could have been tough, still Honors parents, put a lot of pressure on her to be a bright star academically and while she was no dummy, she was an average student,</p><p>Honor:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=397.63" target="_blank"><u>06:37</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I, I sort of grew up feeling the service never pretty enough or clever enough. I wasn’t the child that they hoped that they would produce between them and yet they were just denied that I’ve been confronted with that. They would have denied that as I said I was, but I wasn’t. I don’t believe it. And so then teenage years were the usual angst and things that I started self harming, which I didn’t realize I was self harming until I was in adulthood. At the age of six I was in the classroom at school and a fellow to the shy and I cut my finger accidentally, and then it was all bandaged up But that was the beginning. So I used to get my dad’s razors then and I would cut myself on purpose and I did that that for a lot of years. And then when my mother was noticing and said, don’t do that, that’s bad for you. I would do it where she wouldn’t see it necessarily as I got older</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=477.88" target="_blank"><u>07:57</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;around 14 years old, Honor, stopped self harming, but she started smoking. She admits smoking was a substitute for the overt physical self harming.</p><p>Honor:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=488.41" target="_blank"><u>08:08</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And it was that feeling of not being good enough. I mean they would have claimed they left me, but she would be very, uh, kind of if we were in a social situation and we came home, she would say to me, I just wanted to push you and say speak because I was very quiet. I didn’t want to say. And the thing in case it sounded stupid. So I just kept quiet. And then another time she would be saying how wonderful, and marvelous I was, because I’d made custard or something stupid, you know. So it was this mixed message thing was going on all the time.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=526.59" target="_blank"><u>08:46</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Honors read a lot about her behavior in those days. She learned that inflicting harm on yourself is a release of some kind that could be related to pain or that you’re not loved. Honors first school closed. So she was transferred to another dingier, substandard educational school, that she abhorred. She was trying to figure out what she should study to build her professional foundation and her parents tried to steer her toward nursing or teaching, but Honor wanted to be a journalist. She loved to write and it’s a skill she says has helped her in adulthood to deal with everything. I asked her about how her adoption was playing out in her mind in terms of being a teenager and starting to notice differences between herself and her family. She said she definitely noticed differences between herself and her parents and cousins. But it was an interesting experience while traveling internationally that made her actually feel a connection for the first time</p><p>Honor:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=585.97" target="_blank"><u>09:45</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;when I was 13 or 14. They took me to Ireland for the first time and my mother said before we went somewhere you either love or hate it states away. And I have a scenario playing out in my head that my parents, my parents had been a young Irish couple in most. I was conceived. They couldn’t for whatever reason and I was born and then to be adopted. So I had the whole thing into an island long before I knew of my Irish connection. I felt a strong connection. That was like a coming home almost.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=631.81" target="_blank"><u>10:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And you did?</p><p>Honor:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=634.59" target="_blank"><u>10:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;No, at that time I didn’t. No.</p><p>Honor:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RoG91wfh3o-gEOEA1fC0ylca2hcg1crOOVLxAbyJ4O5gdoILr26QGgCC9CUFWxsOCYCjP-WafAKupT5LMjDH1No5zzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=637.37" target="_blank"><u>10:37</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So when I, when I did find that there’s no surprise, it was a confirmation of something I knew. So yes, I definitely was aware of the differences. And I had this romantic scenario and I used to say to myself, I would hate to discover that I had been the result of rape you know how would you deal with that imagine finding that...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/069-i-lived-as-a-secret-thats-not-healthy-2]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2220</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2021 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/1c2532ab-d7bb-424b-9d0b-d021c84e9f8d/069-i-lived-as-a-secret-thats-not-healthy-final.mp3" length="46351603" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>48:17</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>3</itunes:season><itunes:episode>69</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>69</podcast:episode><podcast:season>3</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Honor described a childhood in isolation, so much so that it impacted her health when she started school. Wondering about her biological parents, she developed a romantic story in her mind that they were in love but simply couldn’t keep her. It took her many years to track down her real story which was far more complex,…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>086 – Second Time</title><itunes:title>086 – Second Time</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>As an interracial adoptee and musical artist,&nbsp;Ferera grew up feeling different from her adopted family.&nbsp;When her&nbsp;adoption&nbsp;was tearfully confirmed by her Mom, it created doubt within her about whether it was okay to be different?&nbsp;Ferera met her birth mother, and the woman’s twin sister, so their reunion was a shared experience that somewhat fractured the intimate connection Ferera would have liked to have developed.&nbsp;She’s in&nbsp;touch with her birth father, but they’ve never met b/c he lives in the Philipines.</p><p>Stream Ferera’s song “<strong>Second Time</strong>” via: <a href="https://zoho.email-view.com/click.zt?linkDgs=312b824b113a3k16863ad1e85&amp;mailDgs=312b824b113a2&amp;ver=a78101656d9c1ed0bd939597d2d6a7c7b3700e87442b9ff704fac491dfbf0679" target="_blank">Soundcloud</a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href="https://open.spotify.com/album/4gjk5nJo8Zy84JqpVO8Pvv" target="_blank">Spotify</a></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nQEmTCGCi0" target="_blank">Watch Acoustic Version on YouTube</a></p><p>Connect With Ferera:</p><p><a href="https://zoho.email-view.com/click.zt?linkDgs=312b824b113a6k16863ad1e85&amp;mailDgs=312b824b113a2&amp;ver=a78101656d9c1ed0bd939597d2d6a7c7b3700e87442b9ff704fac491dfbf0679" target="_blank">Website</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;|<a href="https://zoho.email-view.com/click.zt?linkDgs=312b824b113a7k16863ad1e85&amp;mailDgs=312b824b113a2&amp;ver=a78101656d9c1ed0bd939597d2d6a7c7b3700e87442b9ff704fac491dfbf0679" target="_blank">Facebook</a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href="https://zoho.email-view.com/click.zt?linkDgs=312b824b113a8k16863ad1e85&amp;mailDgs=312b824b113a2&amp;ver=a78101656d9c1ed0bd939597d2d6a7c7b3700e87442b9ff704fac491dfbf0679" target="_blank">Twitter</a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href="https://zoho.email-view.com/click.zt?linkDgs=312b824b113a9k16863ad1e85&amp;mailDgs=312b824b113a2&amp;ver=a78101656d9c1ed0bd939597d2d6a7c7b3700e87442b9ff704fac491dfbf0679" target="_blank">Instagram</a>|&nbsp;<a href="https://zoho.email-view.com/click.zt?linkDgs=312b824b113aak16863ad1e85&amp;mailDgs=312b824b113a2&amp;ver=a78101656d9c1ed0bd939597d2d6a7c7b3700e87442b9ff704fac491dfbf0679" target="_blank">YouTube</a>&nbsp;|<a href="https://zoho.email-view.com/click.zt?linkDgs=312b824b113abk16863ad1e85&amp;mailDgs=312b824b113a2&amp;ver=a78101656d9c1ed0bd939597d2d6a7c7b3700e87442b9ff704fac491dfbf0679" target="_blank">Soundcloud</a></p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Ferera:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ulkJUPa-_BGHbMy68evN783kLYdHE9rPwWCp9QT5d_9lNvSeoI_xn_B-eM8PLnmyUGTKScTCKbaVXWHEq6i4_4otsKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1.2" target="_blank"><u>00:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She said that I was making it all about me and I do believe that she was saying that out of her own pain. For an adoptee. It’s like, well, I didn’t choose this. I didn’t ever choose to be adopted. I didn’t choose for me to be in this position and so I wanted to work it out. I really did and so when I reached out to her and tried to talk about it, I suggested let’s get on the phone because emails are just, things can get misconstrued, but I never did hear back from her again.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ulkJUPa-_BGHbMy68evN783kLYdHE9rPwWCp9QT5d_9lNvSeoI_xn_B-eM8PLnmyUGTKScTCKbaVXWHEq6i4_4otsKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=34.75" target="_blank"><u>00:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>New Speaker:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ulkJUPa-_BGHbMy68evN783kLYdHE9rPwWCp9QT5d_9lNvSeoI_xn_B-eM8PLnmyUGTKScTCKbaVXWHEq6i4_4otsKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.16" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Ferera. She called me from Austin, Texas as an interracial adoptee and musical artists for rare, grew up feeling different from her adopted family. When her adoption was confirmed by her mother, it created doubt within herself about whether it was okay to be different Ferera met her birth mother and the woman’s twin sister. So their reunion was a shared experience that somewhat fractured the intimate connection Ferera would have liked to have developed. She’s in touch with her birth father but they’ve never met because he lives overseas. This is Ferera journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ulkJUPa-_BGHbMy68evN783kLYdHE9rPwWCp9QT5d_9lNvSeoI_xn_B-eM8PLnmyUGTKScTCKbaVXWHEq6i4_4otsKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=93.601" target="_blank"><u>01:33</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Ferera originally from Houston. She said the first time she ever felt different from her family was around three years old since those early days Ferera has gotten her DNA test done. So she can tell you more clearly now what her heritage is. But at first all she could tell you is</p><p>Ferera:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ulkJUPa-_BGHbMy68evN783kLYdHE9rPwWCp9QT5d_9lNvSeoI_xn_B-eM8PLnmyUGTKScTCKbaVXWHEq6i4_4otsKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=109.15" target="_blank"><u>01:49</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I am a transracial adoptee. And so, um, I grew up in, um, a Chinese family and um, I’m Filipino but there, you know, there’s a big difference so. I think many people don’t realize that there is such a big difference between the two, but there is culturally and all these things. But basically growing up we didn’t really talk about it. I wasn’t really told that I was adopted until I was, um, uh, 10 years old. And that’s only because I asked, because I look completely different from my family, but I always felt like I inherently knew that I was adopted because, you know, I think the majority of us, you know, at least the other adoptees that I’ve spoken to have said like a, yeah, I think I always knew, I mean, even the ones that aren’t transracially adopted. So yeah, I asked my mom if I was at, if I was born from her, those were the words I used. I think that was like six or seven. I forgot how old. The first time I asked her was, she kind of didn’t answer me directly the first time she just said, well, you know, no matter if you’re born, if I gave birth, she or not, I, we love you just the same. And so I thought that was a little bit interesting, but I like, I, like I said, I knew I was not of the same, you know, from that family.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ulkJUPa-_BGHbMy68evN783kLYdHE9rPwWCp9QT5d_9lNvSeoI_xn_B-eM8PLnmyUGTKScTCKbaVXWHEq6i4_4otsKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=191.92" target="_blank"><u>03:11</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So let me pause you for a quick second. So when you first asked this question, can you remember at all how you felt? It’s, it’s an interesting thing for you to say that you felt different at six and I wonder if to you could just explain a little bit about how you look different from your family because it, when I think of transracial adoptees of course I think very classically have sort of a black white mixed or something like that. Very stark differences. So I wonder if you could help me understand how you could see the differences so easily</p><p>Ferera:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ulkJUPa-_BGHbMy68evN783kLYdHE9rPwWCp9QT5d_9lNvSeoI_xn_B-eM8PLnmyUGTKScTCKbaVXWHEq6i4_4otsKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=225.89" target="_blank"><u>03:45</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;more brown than they are. Um, I’m Spanish as far as the Trans racial features, the physical features. So I, um, I’ve done the 23 and me and all of that, but I, I’m more brown than they are. Um, I’m Spanish and a mix of, there’s like Portuguese, Spanish, European and Polynesian. And so it’s like I look very island slash Spanish fee and then they look very tinies. And so there’s a different skin tone, different bone structure, different build. It was like a different everything.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ulkJUPa-_BGHbMy68evN783kLYdHE9rPwWCp9QT5d_9lNvSeoI_xn_B-eM8PLnmyUGTKScTCKbaVXWHEq6i4_4otsKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=262.13" target="_blank"><u>04:22</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. Ferera had one sister who was biological to their parents for understanding is she was adopted because initially her parents didn’t think they could conceive a child. But of course immediately after...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an interracial adoptee and musical artist,&nbsp;Ferera grew up feeling different from her adopted family.&nbsp;When her&nbsp;adoption&nbsp;was tearfully confirmed by her Mom, it created doubt within her about whether it was okay to be different?&nbsp;Ferera met her birth mother, and the woman’s twin sister, so their reunion was a shared experience that somewhat fractured the intimate connection Ferera would have liked to have developed.&nbsp;She’s in&nbsp;touch with her birth father, but they’ve never met b/c he lives in the Philipines.</p><p>Stream Ferera’s song “<strong>Second Time</strong>” via: <a href="https://zoho.email-view.com/click.zt?linkDgs=312b824b113a3k16863ad1e85&amp;mailDgs=312b824b113a2&amp;ver=a78101656d9c1ed0bd939597d2d6a7c7b3700e87442b9ff704fac491dfbf0679" target="_blank">Soundcloud</a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href="https://open.spotify.com/album/4gjk5nJo8Zy84JqpVO8Pvv" target="_blank">Spotify</a></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nQEmTCGCi0" target="_blank">Watch Acoustic Version on YouTube</a></p><p>Connect With Ferera:</p><p><a href="https://zoho.email-view.com/click.zt?linkDgs=312b824b113a6k16863ad1e85&amp;mailDgs=312b824b113a2&amp;ver=a78101656d9c1ed0bd939597d2d6a7c7b3700e87442b9ff704fac491dfbf0679" target="_blank">Website</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;|<a href="https://zoho.email-view.com/click.zt?linkDgs=312b824b113a7k16863ad1e85&amp;mailDgs=312b824b113a2&amp;ver=a78101656d9c1ed0bd939597d2d6a7c7b3700e87442b9ff704fac491dfbf0679" target="_blank">Facebook</a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href="https://zoho.email-view.com/click.zt?linkDgs=312b824b113a8k16863ad1e85&amp;mailDgs=312b824b113a2&amp;ver=a78101656d9c1ed0bd939597d2d6a7c7b3700e87442b9ff704fac491dfbf0679" target="_blank">Twitter</a>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href="https://zoho.email-view.com/click.zt?linkDgs=312b824b113a9k16863ad1e85&amp;mailDgs=312b824b113a2&amp;ver=a78101656d9c1ed0bd939597d2d6a7c7b3700e87442b9ff704fac491dfbf0679" target="_blank">Instagram</a>|&nbsp;<a href="https://zoho.email-view.com/click.zt?linkDgs=312b824b113aak16863ad1e85&amp;mailDgs=312b824b113a2&amp;ver=a78101656d9c1ed0bd939597d2d6a7c7b3700e87442b9ff704fac491dfbf0679" target="_blank">YouTube</a>&nbsp;|<a href="https://zoho.email-view.com/click.zt?linkDgs=312b824b113abk16863ad1e85&amp;mailDgs=312b824b113a2&amp;ver=a78101656d9c1ed0bd939597d2d6a7c7b3700e87442b9ff704fac491dfbf0679" target="_blank">Soundcloud</a></p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Ferera:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ulkJUPa-_BGHbMy68evN783kLYdHE9rPwWCp9QT5d_9lNvSeoI_xn_B-eM8PLnmyUGTKScTCKbaVXWHEq6i4_4otsKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1.2" target="_blank"><u>00:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She said that I was making it all about me and I do believe that she was saying that out of her own pain. For an adoptee. It’s like, well, I didn’t choose this. I didn’t ever choose to be adopted. I didn’t choose for me to be in this position and so I wanted to work it out. I really did and so when I reached out to her and tried to talk about it, I suggested let’s get on the phone because emails are just, things can get misconstrued, but I never did hear back from her again.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ulkJUPa-_BGHbMy68evN783kLYdHE9rPwWCp9QT5d_9lNvSeoI_xn_B-eM8PLnmyUGTKScTCKbaVXWHEq6i4_4otsKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=34.75" target="_blank"><u>00:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>New Speaker:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ulkJUPa-_BGHbMy68evN783kLYdHE9rPwWCp9QT5d_9lNvSeoI_xn_B-eM8PLnmyUGTKScTCKbaVXWHEq6i4_4otsKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.16" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Ferera. She called me from Austin, Texas as an interracial adoptee and musical artists for rare, grew up feeling different from her adopted family. When her adoption was confirmed by her mother, it created doubt within herself about whether it was okay to be different Ferera met her birth mother and the woman’s twin sister. So their reunion was a shared experience that somewhat fractured the intimate connection Ferera would have liked to have developed. She’s in touch with her birth father but they’ve never met because he lives overseas. This is Ferera journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ulkJUPa-_BGHbMy68evN783kLYdHE9rPwWCp9QT5d_9lNvSeoI_xn_B-eM8PLnmyUGTKScTCKbaVXWHEq6i4_4otsKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=93.601" target="_blank"><u>01:33</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Ferera originally from Houston. She said the first time she ever felt different from her family was around three years old since those early days Ferera has gotten her DNA test done. So she can tell you more clearly now what her heritage is. But at first all she could tell you is</p><p>Ferera:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ulkJUPa-_BGHbMy68evN783kLYdHE9rPwWCp9QT5d_9lNvSeoI_xn_B-eM8PLnmyUGTKScTCKbaVXWHEq6i4_4otsKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=109.15" target="_blank"><u>01:49</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I am a transracial adoptee. And so, um, I grew up in, um, a Chinese family and um, I’m Filipino but there, you know, there’s a big difference so. I think many people don’t realize that there is such a big difference between the two, but there is culturally and all these things. But basically growing up we didn’t really talk about it. I wasn’t really told that I was adopted until I was, um, uh, 10 years old. And that’s only because I asked, because I look completely different from my family, but I always felt like I inherently knew that I was adopted because, you know, I think the majority of us, you know, at least the other adoptees that I’ve spoken to have said like a, yeah, I think I always knew, I mean, even the ones that aren’t transracially adopted. So yeah, I asked my mom if I was at, if I was born from her, those were the words I used. I think that was like six or seven. I forgot how old. The first time I asked her was, she kind of didn’t answer me directly the first time she just said, well, you know, no matter if you’re born, if I gave birth, she or not, I, we love you just the same. And so I thought that was a little bit interesting, but I like, I, like I said, I knew I was not of the same, you know, from that family.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ulkJUPa-_BGHbMy68evN783kLYdHE9rPwWCp9QT5d_9lNvSeoI_xn_B-eM8PLnmyUGTKScTCKbaVXWHEq6i4_4otsKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=191.92" target="_blank"><u>03:11</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So let me pause you for a quick second. So when you first asked this question, can you remember at all how you felt? It’s, it’s an interesting thing for you to say that you felt different at six and I wonder if to you could just explain a little bit about how you look different from your family because it, when I think of transracial adoptees of course I think very classically have sort of a black white mixed or something like that. Very stark differences. So I wonder if you could help me understand how you could see the differences so easily</p><p>Ferera:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ulkJUPa-_BGHbMy68evN783kLYdHE9rPwWCp9QT5d_9lNvSeoI_xn_B-eM8PLnmyUGTKScTCKbaVXWHEq6i4_4otsKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=225.89" target="_blank"><u>03:45</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;more brown than they are. Um, I’m Spanish as far as the Trans racial features, the physical features. So I, um, I’ve done the 23 and me and all of that, but I, I’m more brown than they are. Um, I’m Spanish and a mix of, there’s like Portuguese, Spanish, European and Polynesian. And so it’s like I look very island slash Spanish fee and then they look very tinies. And so there’s a different skin tone, different bone structure, different build. It was like a different everything.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ulkJUPa-_BGHbMy68evN783kLYdHE9rPwWCp9QT5d_9lNvSeoI_xn_B-eM8PLnmyUGTKScTCKbaVXWHEq6i4_4otsKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=262.13" target="_blank"><u>04:22</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. Ferera had one sister who was biological to their parents for understanding is she was adopted because initially her parents didn’t think they could conceive a child. But of course immediately after her adoption, her sister was conceived. They were really close when they were really little, but everyone thought they were friends, not sisters. For Rare. It talks a little bit about the impact on her emotions of finally confirming she was adopted and how it changed her behavior. Then she goes into the story of how she actually confronted her mother at 10 years old.</p><p>Ferera:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ulkJUPa-_BGHbMy68evN783kLYdHE9rPwWCp9QT5d_9lNvSeoI_xn_B-eM8PLnmyUGTKScTCKbaVXWHEq6i4_4otsKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=295.92" target="_blank"><u>04:55</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My personality by nature is very um, positive spirited. You know, I had a lot of energy. I was a happy kids on the outside. You might not realize that there’s anything quote unquote wrong or going on internally. But in fact there was a lot and I think it really started coming out once it was confirmed that I was adopted, but I really feel like, you know, it would have been what has made a big difference had I found out uh not at 10 had I found out earlier,</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ulkJUPa-_BGHbMy68evN783kLYdHE9rPwWCp9QT5d_9lNvSeoI_xn_B-eM8PLnmyUGTKScTCKbaVXWHEq6i4_4otsKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=328.541" target="_blank"><u>05:28</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What difference do you think it would have made for you.</p><p>Ferera:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ulkJUPa-_BGHbMy68evN783kLYdHE9rPwWCp9QT5d_9lNvSeoI_xn_B-eM8PLnmyUGTKScTCKbaVXWHEq6i4_4otsKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=330.07" target="_blank"><u>05:30</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, there’s a lot of, in general, I think I would’ve been able to not go through that first 10 years of my life feeling like, you know, my heart and my mind are in a different place. Why do I feel this way? Why do I look different? Why do I, so there was a lot of, because there was all that time for this shame to build and questions and why am I not feeling like the rest? Why don’t I feel like I fit in? So had, had I been told, you know, I feel like I would’ve been able to understand myself better because by the time I was 10 I didn’t know what I was like, um, ethnically so people would, that was another layer of it, you know? Well you, you don’t like, you don’t look like your family or you know, people asking if I was friends with my sister, oh, is this your friend?</p><p>Ferera:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ulkJUPa-_BGHbMy68evN783kLYdHE9rPwWCp9QT5d_9lNvSeoI_xn_B-eM8PLnmyUGTKScTCKbaVXWHEq6i4_4otsKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=375.89" target="_blank"><u>06:15</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Like, no, she’s my sister. And that, that’s actually how I, how I finally was like, okay, I’m adopted. That’s, there was a man in China drawing a picture of my sister and I, you know, out on this like marketplace thing. He was like hand drawing it and he was like, you know, here you go. It’s a picture of you and your friend or you and your friend. And I was like, this is really ridiculous. Everybody thinks she’s my friend, but she’s my sister. There’s gotta be something like, you know, so yeah, in that way it’s like not knowing is, was really how I feel, you know, detrimental to my psychological health.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ulkJUPa-_BGHbMy68evN783kLYdHE9rPwWCp9QT5d_9lNvSeoI_xn_B-eM8PLnmyUGTKScTCKbaVXWHEq6i4_4otsKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=409.22" target="_blank"><u>06:49</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wow. That’s fascinating. Yeah. So this is the… I interrupted you earlier. You were about to say something about your father taking you on a business trip and this is it, the trip to China where you drew the picture?</p><p>Ferera:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ulkJUPa-_BGHbMy68evN783kLYdHE9rPwWCp9QT5d_9lNvSeoI_xn_B-eM8PLnmyUGTKScTCKbaVXWHEq6i4_4otsKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=421.18" target="_blank"><u>07:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, this is where I found out. And um, he was, we went along with him, he was on a business, it was kind of like a business slash family vacation and that’s when it all unfolded. And I finally asked her in the hotel lobby, you know, if I was born from her. And she started crying and she was like, “no, but you know, you know mom loves you anyway”. And my sister started crying so it was, you know, my dad was at work. Um, and it was just me, my mom and my sister in the hotel lobby when this happens. And I just kind of, I didn’t cry. I didn’t, you know, it was kind of like a, well I already knew this but thanks for confirming. You know, I wasn’t upset at them, you know, but I was kind of like well why didn’t… So there’s an element of trust. I will say that there was an element of trust. I feel like that was, I mean lost, you know that you know, they didn’t tell me but I think you know, regardless of whether they meant well cause I think they didn’t want to tell me cause they didn’t want me to feel different. But that just goes along with the knowledge now that kids do know. It doesn’t matter if you tell them or not. I really feel like they might not say that they know, cause I was just really a vocal kid</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ulkJUPa-_BGHbMy68evN783kLYdHE9rPwWCp9QT5d_9lNvSeoI_xn_B-eM8PLnmyUGTKScTCKbaVXWHEq6i4_4otsKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=504.31" target="_blank"><u>08:24</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Ferera said Everything felt secret and taboo when it came to talking about her adoption until she confronted her mother. I was wondering what it felt like for her mother to finally admit everything to her out loud.</p><p>Ferera:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ulkJUPa-_BGHbMy68evN783kLYdHE9rPwWCp9QT5d_9lNvSeoI_xn_B-eM8PLnmyUGTKScTCKbaVXWHEq6i4_4otsKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=516.65" target="_blank"><u>08:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So what I was feeling was, and I’m like I was saying I was processing this as a 10 year old with 10 year old words. Feelings. And I was like, okay. So, so briefly I felt like kind of cool. I’m just being honest. I was like, okay, cool. I’m kind of, but then it drifted to this, But I’m, I’m different though and I’m, I’m all alone. I’m by myself. I’m alienated from not, not, I don’t know if alienated, it’s the right word, but maybe isolated. Like I’m not like you guys, you know? Um, it’s very clear that I’m not like you all. And I think that’s when a shift happened. So when she first told me, it was like, I knew this, it was a knowingness. And then there was like a, for a very, very brief moment like all this. That’s cool. I’m kind of, that’s cool. I’m, I’m like a special kid. You know, she didn’t use the word special, but then that’s really weird. Cause then what am I and why did my parents give me up? What’s the story? You know, I didn’t have all those answers. So it was just ultimately a big question mark.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ulkJUPa-_BGHbMy68evN783kLYdHE9rPwWCp9QT5d_9lNvSeoI_xn_B-eM8PLnmyUGTKScTCKbaVXWHEq6i4_4otsKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=586.3" target="_blank"><u>09:46</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wow, That’s really interesting. So this happened on foreign soil. You guys are in China, you’re not, you’re not at your home. So you’re out of your element and you’d be like, there’s nothing uncomfortable around you right now. What do you know, who do you recall about your return home and your, you’ve now probably set foot back in the house and you have this reality now that the admission has been made. What was it like in your house after you’ve gotten this confirmation on foreign soil?</p><p>Ferera:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/ulkJUPa-_BGHbMy68evN783kLYdHE9rPwWCp9QT5d_9lNvSeoI_xn_B-eM8PLnmyUGTKScTCKbaVXWHEq6i4_4otsKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=614.91" target="_blank"><u>10:14</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You know, until you actually framed it that way. I’ve never even...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/086-second-time]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2395</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/e867c63e-e727-4475-aa23-10d39341d48b/Ixy6mEjrPxU1qIhqkqqJx7gW.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2021 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/684eab13-18e1-4d27-a830-96356e95a1d4/086-second-time-final.mp3" length="53161010" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>55:23</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>4</itunes:season><itunes:episode>86</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>86</podcast:episode><podcast:season>4</podcast:season><itunes:summary>As an interracial adoptee and musical artist, Ferera grew up feeling different from her adopted family. When her adoption was tearfully confirmed by her Mom, it created doubt within her about whether it was okay to be different? Ferera met her birth mother, and the woman’s twin sister, so their reunion was a shared experience that somewhat fractured the intimate…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>080 – It’s Not About How You Got Here</title><itunes:title>080 – It’s Not About How You Got Here</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Rachel is a Hispanic woman of Chilean descent, raised in a Jewish family.&nbsp;She shared her feelings of otherness trying to connect with other Spanish&nbsp;speaking children with her limited proficiency. Rachel describes her father’s blindness to her heritage, and her unbelievable luck to have strangers who went out of their way to help her meet her birth mother in Chile.</p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Rachel:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.76" target="_blank"><u>00:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It took me a while to sort through it. I remember talking to my grandmother about it and she said, you know, Rachel, it’s not about how you get here, It’s about what you do with yourself once you’re here. So she was like focused less on that event that led to you being here and focus more on what you want to do with yourself and how you want to, you know, make a name for yourself. And that is something that I’ve always held onto</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.72" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.21" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Rachel. She called me from right here in Frederick, Maryland. Rachel is a Hispanic woman of Chilean descent, raised in a Jewish family. She shared her feelings of otherness, her father’s blindness to her heritage and her unbelievable luck to have strangers who went out of their way to help her meet her birth mother in Chile. This is Rachel’s journey. In Rachel’s family, adoption was a fairly open topic. Her brother was adopted three years before her and they always knew they were adopted from young ages. When they got older, they understood a little bit more what that meant.</p><p>Rachel:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=97.12" target="_blank"><u>01:37</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I feel like I was my only like person in my group of friends that was adopted growing up. And I think that kind of felt a little bit strange sometimes.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=108.1" target="_blank"><u>01:48</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Do you remember mentioning it to other people or did you just, you just couldn’t see other adoptees so you figured you were the only one?</p><p>Rachel:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=116.27" target="_blank"><u>01:56</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;No, I think I always mentioned it like, I feel like it was something that I talked about a lot. Um, I know that I asked a million questions. My brother didn’t talk much about his biological family or didn’t really express like a lot of curiosity about it, but I was always asking questions like, can you tell me about my biological mom or why was I given up for adoption? Or Can we talk about this? And, um, my parents didn’t ever answer questions. It was kind of always like, when you turn 18, we’ll let you know. But I still was always asking. So it was definitely something that I would mention to friends or to, you know, people within my community. Um, I was always telling everybody like, I’m from Chile and I thought that was a, a pretty cool thing.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=163.26" target="_blank"><u>02:43</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. That’s really interesting. So what, what do you, why do you think you were always asking about it? It sounds like you were somewhat self-aware about it from a very early age. What do you think sparked your curiosity to want to ask about it? It sounds like from even the very beginning.</p><p>Rachel:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=181.27" target="_blank"><u>03:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Um, I wish I knew the answer to that question. I don’t, I don’t necessarily know, um, when I look at myself, I look at myself as a person who’s like very in touch with who I am. And I think that adoption is such a big part of who I am. And it was something that I couldn’t, I didn’t have the answers to, I didn’t have explanations about and I couldn’t, I guess I couldn’t really figure out that part of me. So I was super inquisitive about it and I always wanted to ask about it. And, and try to kind of find that out. Um, maybe that’s why I was so curious. But my parents will like looking back on everything, they’ll always say to me like, we always knew you were going to find your biological family cause you were always asking, asking, asking.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=227.13" target="_blank"><u>03:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She asked questions about her start in life, her birth mother and why the woman couldn’t take care of Rachel herself. After a few vague answers, the end of the conversation was always, we’ll tell you when you’re 18. The promise was her parents would deliver her adoption papers to her at that age. But that was a long time to wait, especially in her teen years when Rachel wondered what the difference was between knowing her history at 15 versus learning it three years later. Still, She said she was always proud to tell people that she’s originally from Chile because she felt like it was a pretty cool thing. I asked about the makeup of her family.</p><p>Rachel:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=264.13" target="_blank"><u>04:24</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So my brother is also from Chile. Um, like I said, he was adopted three years before I was. And I’ve always said to my parents that I feel like the greatest gift they’ve ever given us, cause they’ve given us the world, my parents are great, but the greatest gift we ever got with each other. Cause growing up with someone in my family, um, who could number one relate to being adopted, but number two, shared, you know, a cultural connection with me even though we weren’t biologically related. Um, was just super awesome.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=294.95" target="_blank"><u>04:54</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Rachel’s parents are white and Jewish and their community was similar. She and her brother were raised Jewish as well, going to Jewish...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel is a Hispanic woman of Chilean descent, raised in a Jewish family.&nbsp;She shared her feelings of otherness trying to connect with other Spanish&nbsp;speaking children with her limited proficiency. Rachel describes her father’s blindness to her heritage, and her unbelievable luck to have strangers who went out of their way to help her meet her birth mother in Chile.</p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Rachel:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.76" target="_blank"><u>00:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It took me a while to sort through it. I remember talking to my grandmother about it and she said, you know, Rachel, it’s not about how you get here, It’s about what you do with yourself once you’re here. So she was like focused less on that event that led to you being here and focus more on what you want to do with yourself and how you want to, you know, make a name for yourself. And that is something that I’ve always held onto</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.72" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.21" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Rachel. She called me from right here in Frederick, Maryland. Rachel is a Hispanic woman of Chilean descent, raised in a Jewish family. She shared her feelings of otherness, her father’s blindness to her heritage and her unbelievable luck to have strangers who went out of their way to help her meet her birth mother in Chile. This is Rachel’s journey. In Rachel’s family, adoption was a fairly open topic. Her brother was adopted three years before her and they always knew they were adopted from young ages. When they got older, they understood a little bit more what that meant.</p><p>Rachel:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=97.12" target="_blank"><u>01:37</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I feel like I was my only like person in my group of friends that was adopted growing up. And I think that kind of felt a little bit strange sometimes.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=108.1" target="_blank"><u>01:48</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Do you remember mentioning it to other people or did you just, you just couldn’t see other adoptees so you figured you were the only one?</p><p>Rachel:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=116.27" target="_blank"><u>01:56</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;No, I think I always mentioned it like, I feel like it was something that I talked about a lot. Um, I know that I asked a million questions. My brother didn’t talk much about his biological family or didn’t really express like a lot of curiosity about it, but I was always asking questions like, can you tell me about my biological mom or why was I given up for adoption? Or Can we talk about this? And, um, my parents didn’t ever answer questions. It was kind of always like, when you turn 18, we’ll let you know. But I still was always asking. So it was definitely something that I would mention to friends or to, you know, people within my community. Um, I was always telling everybody like, I’m from Chile and I thought that was a, a pretty cool thing.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=163.26" target="_blank"><u>02:43</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. That’s really interesting. So what, what do you, why do you think you were always asking about it? It sounds like you were somewhat self-aware about it from a very early age. What do you think sparked your curiosity to want to ask about it? It sounds like from even the very beginning.</p><p>Rachel:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=181.27" target="_blank"><u>03:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Um, I wish I knew the answer to that question. I don’t, I don’t necessarily know, um, when I look at myself, I look at myself as a person who’s like very in touch with who I am. And I think that adoption is such a big part of who I am. And it was something that I couldn’t, I didn’t have the answers to, I didn’t have explanations about and I couldn’t, I guess I couldn’t really figure out that part of me. So I was super inquisitive about it and I always wanted to ask about it. And, and try to kind of find that out. Um, maybe that’s why I was so curious. But my parents will like looking back on everything, they’ll always say to me like, we always knew you were going to find your biological family cause you were always asking, asking, asking.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=227.13" target="_blank"><u>03:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She asked questions about her start in life, her birth mother and why the woman couldn’t take care of Rachel herself. After a few vague answers, the end of the conversation was always, we’ll tell you when you’re 18. The promise was her parents would deliver her adoption papers to her at that age. But that was a long time to wait, especially in her teen years when Rachel wondered what the difference was between knowing her history at 15 versus learning it three years later. Still, She said she was always proud to tell people that she’s originally from Chile because she felt like it was a pretty cool thing. I asked about the makeup of her family.</p><p>Rachel:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=264.13" target="_blank"><u>04:24</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So my brother is also from Chile. Um, like I said, he was adopted three years before I was. And I’ve always said to my parents that I feel like the greatest gift they’ve ever given us, cause they’ve given us the world, my parents are great, but the greatest gift we ever got with each other. Cause growing up with someone in my family, um, who could number one relate to being adopted, but number two, shared, you know, a cultural connection with me even though we weren’t biologically related. Um, was just super awesome.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=294.95" target="_blank"><u>04:54</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Rachel’s parents are white and Jewish and their community was similar. She and her brother were raised Jewish as well, going to Jewish summer camps, Hebrew school and her brother went to a Jewish day school. But Rachel didn’t go when she was offered the option when she was little, she went to public school where she saw more diversity in Montgomery County, Maryland. That exposure allowed Rachel to connect more with the minority shhe knew and she really wanted to feel that connection with other children of Spanish descent.</p><p>Rachel:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=323.88" target="_blank"><u>05:23</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;But I didn’t speak Spanish and I could be like, yeah, I’m from Chile. But then when they would start talking to me about cultural things or speaking to me in Spanish, I couldn’t respond. Um, so I feel like that kind of put me in a little place of isolation. Um, you know, but I, I think a lot of my inner circle of friends were, you know, minorities.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=345.9" target="_blank"><u>05:45</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I always wonder about a person’s connection to a culture or religion that’s not native to them. And from time to time guests will say that they didn’t feel a connection to the way they were raised. I asked Rachel about her connection to Judaism.</p><p>Rachel:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=360.67" target="_blank"><u>06:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So I actually love being Jewish. Um, you know, I’ve explored a little bit of different stuff as far as religions go and I always feel like Judaism really has a lot of, uh, non artificial symbols I guess would be the best way to describe it. And not that I’m trying to knock that or anything. Um, but I just felt like when we would look at different things growing up, we didn’t have like the whole, like commercialized stuff going on. So it was, you know, Hanukkah time was about like oil and frying foods and this is why, because the oil lasted this amount of days and it was kind of a thing that I felt like there were, there was just explanations for everything. Whereas I would say to my friends who are Christian like, well, why do you have a Christmas tree? And they’re like, I don’t know, We just do. So I felt like a lot of that stuff made sense. Um, and they were, you know, explanations to things. You know, I was appreciative of that and I felt like I was connected to it, but I don’t necessarily feel like I fit in. Like I was always faking sick so that I didn’t have to go to Hebrew school cause I looked really different from everybody. And then my parents would say, OK, well you don’t have to go to Hebrew school, we’ll send you to like a private Hebrew tutor type thing. And then like I’d go to this woman’s house and there would be like eight kids in the class and I’d be like, Oh yeah, I’m so sick right now. And she’d be like, well go lay on the couch and be like, okay. I almost did like anything I could to like, you know, get away from that stuff.</p><p>Rachel:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=452.77" target="_blank"><u>07:32</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Like they put me in these Jewish, um, like youth groups. So as a teenager you would go to these like meetings and talk about being Jewish and all these different things. And I would, my mom would like drop me off and I’d hop in the car with a group of kids that were a lot older than me and we’d go to like McDonald’s and skip out on the meeting. Um, so I was always like, you know, I, I liked the actual religion. I still like the religion but I don’t necessarily feel like I fit in socially. If that makes sense.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=484.37" target="_blank"><u>08:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, it does. I wonder then if you could switch gears for a minute and tell me a little bit about how your parents helped you to feel any kind of connection to Chile and your culture as a Hispanic woman.</p><p>Rachel:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=500.65" target="_blank"><u>08:20</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;They never helped with any of that. In fact, I think, I’m pretty sure that there were times where, you know, I would talk about being a Hispanic female cause I would check that box, you know, on standardized tests or whatever else, I would always check the Latina box. And I remember at some point my dad saying like, well, you have to understand like I don’t see you as Latina. Um, to me you’re Jewish and Caucasian. And I remember being like, what? I just couldn’t understand how he didn’t see me that way. And I guess when you get adopted you don’t necessarily want your parents to see you as different, like you want to be a part of the family. So in that regard it was really good. Um, but our parents took us all over the world. You know, we traveled to Israel, we traveled to France and Italy and you know, all throughout Europe and we went to Mexico and all these like, you know, different islands and my family are big, they’re big on traveling. So they took us everywhere, but they never took us to Chile.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=569.6" target="_blank"><u>09:29</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I thought back to Rachel’s father’s vision of her as his daughter. On one hand, he acknowledged and fully accepted her as his daughter, making sure she felt that they were family, but his vision was warped because he saw her in his own image, which could have the opposite, an alienating effect of not acknowledging who she actually is. He wants her to be one thing, but in fact she is very much someone else. At 18 years old, Rachel never got her papers. The finish line in her marathon to wait to get her adoption records was moved to when she turned 21 but at 18, Rachel got pregnant and she became a mother herself. She had those first intense feelings of knowing a biological relative for the first time.</p><p>Rachel:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=616.45" target="_blank"><u>10:16</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;After having my son, I spoke to my parents about, I really wanted medical history. Um, I talked about what it was like to, you know, give birth to my first kid and for the first time in my life I was seeing a biological relative. I had never met anybody that was related to me that had the same blood as me. Um, it was a really like intense moment in my life and I talk to them about that and I said, you know, I really need these papers. And at some point, maybe when my son was three, so I guess I would’ve been about 21. Um, I had just been asking and asking and being so much more aggressive, I guess in my desire to get those papers that my mom called me one day and said that they would give me my papers and my mom didn’t come. I was living on my own with my, at the time he was my fiance, now he’s my husband. And my mom said, you know, we’re going to give you the papers. And I said, okay. And My dad came by himself to my apartment and handed me a Manila envelope and he said, you know, the answers to all of your questions are in this envelope.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LBME0dE3afIEFIvJbItV31CTCnBlpS9lfkPL0gSyX-ak8eeoNBBhRsAyiwLQc1j7H4s3T-_oGOd0jNzRdTMrpNJj5B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=688.64"...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/080-its-not-about-how-you-got-here]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2329</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2021 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/1ab1e1f7-a9a3-48e0-a9d5-56b601e179a8/080-its-not-about-how-you-got-here-final.mp3" length="43561718" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>45:23</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>4</itunes:season><itunes:episode>80</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>80</podcast:episode><podcast:season>4</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Rachel is a Hispanic woman of Chilean descent, raised in a Jewish family. She shared her feelings of otherness trying to connect with other Spanish speaking children with her limited proficiency. Rachel describes her father’s blindness to her heritage, and her unbelievable luck to have strangers who went out of their way to help her meet her…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>2020 NAAM - Adoptee Podcaster Perspectives</title><itunes:title>2020 NAAM - Adoptee Podcaster Perspectives</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Adoptees have the ultimate voice about the adoption experience. Adoptee podcasters are offering fellow adoptees outlets for sharing their inner thoughts and deepest emotions about their adoption journeys -- the happy and sad, incredible experiences and the awful outcomes.&nbsp;</p><p>On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 @ 7pm ET the hosts of some of the leading adoptee hosted podcasts: "Adoptees On" with Haley Radke, "Born In June Raised In April" with April Dinwoodie and "Who Am I Really?" with Damon Davis shared some of their insights from several years and hundreds of episodes podcasting about adoption.&nbsp;</p><p>This was an open event for everyone to attend, ask questions, and hopefully leave with useful insights.</p><p>* At 1:20:32 April and Haley very graciously supported the group through a Zoom bomb (a rude interruption in our online forum by uninvited participants). Just wanted to explain the odd transition in the content at that moment.&nbsp;</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adoptees have the ultimate voice about the adoption experience. Adoptee podcasters are offering fellow adoptees outlets for sharing their inner thoughts and deepest emotions about their adoption journeys -- the happy and sad, incredible experiences and the awful outcomes.&nbsp;</p><p>On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 @ 7pm ET the hosts of some of the leading adoptee hosted podcasts: "Adoptees On" with Haley Radke, "Born In June Raised In April" with April Dinwoodie and "Who Am I Really?" with Damon Davis shared some of their insights from several years and hundreds of episodes podcasting about adoption.&nbsp;</p><p>This was an open event for everyone to attend, ask questions, and hopefully leave with useful insights.</p><p>* At 1:20:32 April and Haley very graciously supported the group through a Zoom bomb (a rude interruption in our online forum by uninvited participants). Just wanted to explain the odd transition in the content at that moment.&nbsp;</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/2020-naam-adoptee-podcaster-perspectives]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">eccbf94e-0eab-4745-982a-4e2c38771d50</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2021 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/a5f9a32d-54be-46cc-a3b8-2c862b98c4fb/2020-national-adoption-awareness-month-adoptee-podcaster-pers.mp3" length="157230693" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:21:20</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType></item><item><title>020 – I Don’t Silence Julie Anymore</title><itunes:title>020 – I Don’t Silence Julie Anymore</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Michelle says growing up she felt very different from her adoptive family because she looked&nbsp;completely different from them.&nbsp;When she was a teen she embarked on a voyage to reunite with her birth mother, traveling back to the UK where she was born.&nbsp;Seeking some of the basic answers to her identity and acceptance by her biological mother, her trip was going great, until&nbsp;the neighbor came over and asked who Michelle was. What happened next became a pivotal moment in Michelle’s quest to discover herself.</p><p>But the acceptance and love that Michelle was looking for were still out there and they came from a person that she didn’t even know existed.&nbsp;She located her half brother in Spain, and was able to he&nbsp;relay the final emotions of their dying father,&nbsp;bringing some peace to Michelle.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/020-dont-silence-julie-anymore/" target="_blank">020 – I Don’t Silence Julie Anymore</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Michelle (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=3.41" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:03</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And climbed back as a teen. I just remembered, I don't know how to do this, but I know that these people aren't the ones to give me my truth and I'm either gonna find it myself or I'm gonna die not knowing, and I wasn't willing to live a life not knowing.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=25.72" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:25</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=37.11" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:37</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis, and today you're going to meet Michelle. She told me she grew up feeling very different from her adoptive family because she looked completely different from them. Michelle reunited with her birth mother as a teenager traveling back to the United Kingdom where she was born. She was seeking some basic answers to her identity and acceptance by her biological mother. Things were going great for them until the neighbor came over and asked who Michelle was. It became a pivotal moment in Michelle's quest to discover herself. But the acceptance and love that Michelle was looking for was still out there and it came from a person that she didn't even know existed. I asked Michelle about her journey and what adoption was like for her growing up. Michelle starts us off with the events that brought her into this world. Her parents weren't able to keep her. So Michelle was placed in foster care and it was there even in those early days where people placed judgment about her existence.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michelle (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=99.63" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:39</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, I was born in England. I go back to that because it's really part of the whole journey of identity for me. Uh, I was born in England. Mother was British, father was Spanish. Um, I was a product of their affair. My mother at the time was married. She had three children and my father was single, a bachelor. They had an affair. I was the product of that and it was quite a scandal actually at the time. And I was secreted away into foster care. My birth father said he didn't want to be a father, didn't want to raise me. Birth mother had a choice to make, you know, she couldn't keep me. And she looked to keep her family intact with her husband and her three children. In foster care in the U K I was labeled because of the circumstances around me. You know, it was labeled in my foster records, illegitimate dark, because I had the coloring of my birth father peculiar looking because I was very much, you know, was identified as an ethnic child.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=160.86" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:40</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">You saw all of this information in your records?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michelle (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=163.651" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:43</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah. Yeah. I've, I've seen it in my foster records.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=167.22" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:47</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">That's fascinating.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michelle (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=167.22" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:47</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And you know, it's, it's interesting because I don't know, you feel that even if you aren't given it in the, in the beginnings, you know, even if you don't see it in black and white, there's something about the judgment, um, that you feel, I think even at the youngest of ages, you know, you can feel that negativity surrounding you and you can definitely feel the weight of judgment.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=190.72" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:10</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">You can feel how you're perceived.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michelle (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=192.67" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:12</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">You can feel yes, how you're perceived. And so a lot of that fell on my young shoulders.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=198.49" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:18</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michelle was adopted by Americans and brought to this country to be raised. Her appearance made her feel different and she was often reminded of it. But her inability to share more about her heritage made her feel incomplete.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michelle (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=211.15" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:31</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">But I look like no one in my family. I had long black hair, big brown, almond shaped eyes, Mediterranean skin. My family was Caucasian, fair skin, blue eyes for the most part. And I did. I stuck out and people would ask, well, where are you from? And I just remember feeling so different. And I also remember feeling such a, uh, such an overwhelming sense of being silenced because I didn't know how to answer the questions because I really didn't know. I knew a certain amount of my history, but I didn't know all of it. And so there were pieces and holes that left me feeling disempowered and certainly far, far away from what would have been a true identity. My name was changed upon being adopted. My culture, you know, shifted, uh, my family shifted, everything changed. And in that space is quite a void.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=270.01" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:30</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michelle's adopted parents had two biological sons of their own, but her mom really wanted a girl. Her American parents tried to adopt while living in Taiwan, but it wasn't until they lived in the UK that they found their daughter. Unfortunately, as Michelle grew older, her mom used some damaging language about Michelle's adoption that made Michelle feel like she always had to]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle says growing up she felt very different from her adoptive family because she looked&nbsp;completely different from them.&nbsp;When she was a teen she embarked on a voyage to reunite with her birth mother, traveling back to the UK where she was born.&nbsp;Seeking some of the basic answers to her identity and acceptance by her biological mother, her trip was going great, until&nbsp;the neighbor came over and asked who Michelle was. What happened next became a pivotal moment in Michelle’s quest to discover herself.</p><p>But the acceptance and love that Michelle was looking for were still out there and they came from a person that she didn’t even know existed.&nbsp;She located her half brother in Spain, and was able to he&nbsp;relay the final emotions of their dying father,&nbsp;bringing some peace to Michelle.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/020-dont-silence-julie-anymore/" target="_blank">020 – I Don’t Silence Julie Anymore</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Michelle (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=3.41" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:03</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And climbed back as a teen. I just remembered, I don't know how to do this, but I know that these people aren't the ones to give me my truth and I'm either gonna find it myself or I'm gonna die not knowing, and I wasn't willing to live a life not knowing.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=25.72" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:25</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=37.11" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:37</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis, and today you're going to meet Michelle. She told me she grew up feeling very different from her adoptive family because she looked completely different from them. Michelle reunited with her birth mother as a teenager traveling back to the United Kingdom where she was born. She was seeking some basic answers to her identity and acceptance by her biological mother. Things were going great for them until the neighbor came over and asked who Michelle was. It became a pivotal moment in Michelle's quest to discover herself. But the acceptance and love that Michelle was looking for was still out there and it came from a person that she didn't even know existed. I asked Michelle about her journey and what adoption was like for her growing up. Michelle starts us off with the events that brought her into this world. Her parents weren't able to keep her. So Michelle was placed in foster care and it was there even in those early days where people placed judgment about her existence.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michelle (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=99.63" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:39</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, I was born in England. I go back to that because it's really part of the whole journey of identity for me. Uh, I was born in England. Mother was British, father was Spanish. Um, I was a product of their affair. My mother at the time was married. She had three children and my father was single, a bachelor. They had an affair. I was the product of that and it was quite a scandal actually at the time. And I was secreted away into foster care. My birth father said he didn't want to be a father, didn't want to raise me. Birth mother had a choice to make, you know, she couldn't keep me. And she looked to keep her family intact with her husband and her three children. In foster care in the U K I was labeled because of the circumstances around me. You know, it was labeled in my foster records, illegitimate dark, because I had the coloring of my birth father peculiar looking because I was very much, you know, was identified as an ethnic child.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=160.86" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:40</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">You saw all of this information in your records?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michelle (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=163.651" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:43</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah. Yeah. I've, I've seen it in my foster records.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=167.22" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:47</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">That's fascinating.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michelle (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=167.22" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:47</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And you know, it's, it's interesting because I don't know, you feel that even if you aren't given it in the, in the beginnings, you know, even if you don't see it in black and white, there's something about the judgment, um, that you feel, I think even at the youngest of ages, you know, you can feel that negativity surrounding you and you can definitely feel the weight of judgment.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=190.72" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:10</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">You can feel how you're perceived.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michelle (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=192.67" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:12</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">You can feel yes, how you're perceived. And so a lot of that fell on my young shoulders.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=198.49" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:18</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michelle was adopted by Americans and brought to this country to be raised. Her appearance made her feel different and she was often reminded of it. But her inability to share more about her heritage made her feel incomplete.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michelle (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=211.15" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:31</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">But I look like no one in my family. I had long black hair, big brown, almond shaped eyes, Mediterranean skin. My family was Caucasian, fair skin, blue eyes for the most part. And I did. I stuck out and people would ask, well, where are you from? And I just remember feeling so different. And I also remember feeling such a, uh, such an overwhelming sense of being silenced because I didn't know how to answer the questions because I really didn't know. I knew a certain amount of my history, but I didn't know all of it. And so there were pieces and holes that left me feeling disempowered and certainly far, far away from what would have been a true identity. My name was changed upon being adopted. My culture, you know, shifted, uh, my family shifted, everything changed. And in that space is quite a void.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=270.01" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:30</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michelle's adopted parents had two biological sons of their own, but her mom really wanted a girl. Her American parents tried to adopt while living in Taiwan, but it wasn't until they lived in the UK that they found their daughter. Unfortunately, as Michelle grew older, her mom used some damaging language about Michelle's adoption that made Michelle feel like she always had to be at her best. To top it off, her distinctive appearance, contrast it against her family members, set her clearly apart from them, a constant reminder of her adoption.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michelle (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=301.96" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:01</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So, there's no doubt that I was wanted, you know, um, very much so by my mother for sure. And I know by my father too. But, um, I think all of that was just expressed differently. I grew up in a family where my mother would say things to me like, I saved you from that situation. And so I had a sense of needing to be always grateful and in some ways always perfect in her eyes because I was convinced as a child and for a long time in my life that imperfect things get sent back and perfect people get sent away. So the, the quest for perfection to always be seen as perfect, grateful, always striving to make others proud, being a pleaser, those behaviors quickly I think came into, uh, into play in my life.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=355.6" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:55</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Wow. Can you give me an example of how that happened?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michelle (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=358.131" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:58</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, I would never, you know, number one, I was always very hard on myself. I wanted to just be the best because I really felt like if I was the best and whatever that meant to me at that time would, would equal safety for me and security. And so I wanted to make the best grades. I didn't want to disappoint. I wanted to be the best in school and my ballet company or you know.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=379.521" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:19</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">You wanted to be good enough to be kept.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michelle (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=382.04" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:22</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I wanted to be good enough to be kept. And so that became my identity is the girl who is striving everyday in every way to be good enough. Even though deep down inside she could not figure out why she felt so unworthy of love of being adopted even life. To be quite honest with you, I just felt like, well sometimes maybe God makes mistakes and I'm just one of those mistakes and I'm just going to have to figure out how to live with that identity.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=411.23" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:51</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I was going to ask with regard to your mother's remarks of I saved you from that situation? Did you perceive that as her sort of saying, I'm a great person because I saved you? I've heard some people say that their parents made these offhanded comments accidentally. Uh, but some people made these comments very, very intentionally and I was kind of wondering which one you felt your mother fell into.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michelle (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=437.69" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:17</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, I think sometimes it would depend on the situation. Um, I think when she made that particular comment to me, I think she very much knew what she was saying and I think it was a way of correcting me in some way or shifting me back if, if there was ever, maybe if she saw me as not acting as if she would like me to do or there was a behavior that she was not pleased with, she would remind me. And I think what that did for me, it, it, it would put a little fear into me that, okay, what she's saying is she saved me from something and in this moment I am not pleasing her. And so if she saved me from something, then there's the risk that she could send me back to that. I don't think she meant it. I don't think she ever had a clue the overriding impact that would have on me emotionally and mentally.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=488.57" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:08</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I understand.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michelle (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=489.35" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:09</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">To live in that kind of world where you feel things are very fragile, love is fragile.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=495.86" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:15</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michelle said her mother's words ultimately made her feel that her love might be conditional. Making that love fragile in Michelle's mind. She got the feeling her mother felt she had done something exceptionally altruistic for taking on another child. But her mother also expressed her love for Michelle.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michelle (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=511.76" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:31</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I think my mother did feel that she had done something exceptional in adopting me. You know, people would say that like, what a good person you are for taking her in. Um, they would say, people would say to me, what a, what a lovely thing your parents have done. And so I do, I do remember my mother saying, well, we're, we're, we're, the ones were really blessed. I remember hearing her say that as well. So I'm, you know, I, I never point fingers of judgment. I, and I do believe that everyone does, you know, for the most part, the best that they can in the situations. But I think it's, there's a level of awareness that I'm trying to help, um, within this conversation of what it feels like to live in the skin of adoption and how we perceive things versus how others might perceive what they're saying or what they're doing.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=564.69" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:24</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah, I could see how her comment could have been completely innocent and, um, and possibly factual to be honest with you. You know, it's entirely possible that she did save you from a very challenging situation, but the choice of words, the moment at which it said, and as you've said, the backdrop of your own emotions as an adoptee who already feels like you don't look like your family, you could see how just without the precise careful selection of certain words at the right time could go awry.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=595.41" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:55</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michelle's adopted parents both passed away just a few years ago in 2016 she says she really healed a lot with them during her journey in her loving family and she knows they would want her to be open and honest in sharing her story for the benefit of other adoptees. Michelle conveyed the challenges she had feeling validated in her existence when she questioned why her first family gave her up and her adoptive father seemed to change after her arrival.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michelle (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/UBg0WpOv0O2LEyMUCI-bJX26RZSx1b7pqn1aAO5qsBNguHSrS7f9zmooi2FBkfnRVNdL8tLhg6-c8PDuNETVFh71474?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=621.97" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>10:21</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/020-i-dont-silence-julie-anymore-2]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1675</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2021 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/9f1125cd-888d-4ffe-800b-6d3d899697c2/whoamireallyepisode20.mp3" length="35318022" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>36:47</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>20</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>20</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Michelle says growing up she felt very different from her adoptive family because she looked completely different from them. When she was a teen she embarked on a voyage to reunite with her birth mother, traveling back to the UK where she was born. Seeking some of the basic answers to her identity and acceptance by her biological…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>076 – What Would My Life Be Like In Korea?</title><itunes:title>076 – What Would My Life Be Like In Korea?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Kim is a Korean born adoptee raised in an all-white community.&nbsp;She shared how she always pushed down her desire to search for her birth mother&nbsp;until the recent political climate brought out the true colors of her adoptive mother.&nbsp;I’ve heard&nbsp;stories of Asian adoptees having trouble making connections overseas, but Kim’s connection was quick and easy.&nbsp;But building a relationship through a translator, secrecy, and secondary rejection have left Kim&nbsp;with a&nbsp;broken heart.</p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a></p><p>Kim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=6.24" target="_blank"><u>00:06</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And we look very, very much like really? That was very emotional for me because growing up in a place where there weren’t a lot of other Asian people, I had no idea what I was going to look like when I grew up and now to see some existing in the world, he looks nearly exactly like me is wild.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.89" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Am I am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>New Speaker:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.21" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Kim. She called me from right here in silver spring, Maryland. Kim is a Korean born adoptee, raised in an all white community. She shared how she always pushed down her desire to search for her birth mother until the recent political climate brought out the true colors of her adoptive mother. I’ve heard stories of Asian adoptees having trouble making connections overseas, but Kim’s connection was quick and easy. But building a relationship through a translator, secrecy and secondary rejection have left Kim with a broken heart. This is Kim’s journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=96.53" target="_blank"><u>01:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Kim was adopted from South Korea when she was five months old.</p><p>Kim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=100.27" target="_blank"><u>01:40</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I came on a plane to New York City with a military personnel who is carrying me. And so that day, um, my family celebrates as an airplane day I think and that I commentator his Gotcha day and so really celebrate that as like when I joined the family are like our family became complete.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=127.94" target="_blank"><u>02:07</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Kim grew up in Toms River, New Jersey with her brother, nonbiological also adopted from South Korea. Kim is from Incheon and was adopted through Spence Chapin based in New York. Her brother was born in Seoul and he was adopted through Holt International. Kim said there were very few other Asian people in New Jersey and even fewer adoptees that she knew of.</p><p>Kim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=150.54" target="_blank"><u>02:30</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My adoptive parents did put a lot of effort into trying to educate me, I guess about being adopted and they did make an effort to try and connect me with other adoptees through support groups or agencies sponsored camp. It will say like, I am grateful that I was adopted through Sepnce Chapin because they do have a great, a close adoption services department through their agency, some of the people that I’ve worked with that are adoptees themselves, so that is a great, uh, resource, the barrier for me to access information, especially regarding my birth family and like my files Spence Chapin made a very easy and talking to my brother apparently when he tried to find out information about his birth family, it was a less straightforward.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=211.66" target="_blank"><u>03:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, I’ve, I am not an international adoptee, but in the little experience that I’ve had in speaking with international adoptees, it’s been my understanding that the process can be incredibly challenging to try to search anyway just because, you know, there was this churning market for, you know, the, forgive my words, the removal of babies, the placement of babies and I’m just, there was no need for any kind of documentation. We were moving these babies along and it wasn’t seen as an a time to, in any way retain somebody’s identity. You know, there was really just a market for moving children into their next family. So That’s interesting that they made your records so openly available. And that’s cool.</p><p>Kim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=261.98" target="_blank"><u>04:21</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. So, you know, it kind of gave me some I comfort in that I feel like my birth mother perhaps wasn’t afraid to find me or like search for me later in life because she did leave her real name and she did provide my actual birthday, which had a lot of adoptees don’t have birthdays. They have to be there, the date that they were released from the orphanage or foster care but don’t really have an idea of when they were born. And like you were saying, you know, there was such a market and people forget that adoption is a business.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=308.87" target="_blank"><u>05:08</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It can be very expensive to adopt internationally. And Kim commented that she wondered where these exorbitant fees are going and who’s profiting. So growing up it was pretty obvious that Kim was adopted. She talks a little bit about the comments she heard and her first indication that she was truly different than other children.</p><p>Kim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=328.26" target="_blank"><u>05:28</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My parents are white. Um, and people would always ask very blunt questions like, did you know you were adopted? Or like when did you know that you were adopted? Like, how does it feel to know that your parents didn’t want you or how much did you cost for your parents to bring you here? Don’t you feel so grateful to them for saving you from Korea? So I...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim is a Korean born adoptee raised in an all-white community.&nbsp;She shared how she always pushed down her desire to search for her birth mother&nbsp;until the recent political climate brought out the true colors of her adoptive mother.&nbsp;I’ve heard&nbsp;stories of Asian adoptees having trouble making connections overseas, but Kim’s connection was quick and easy.&nbsp;But building a relationship through a translator, secrecy, and secondary rejection have left Kim&nbsp;with a&nbsp;broken heart.</p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a></p><p>Kim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=6.24" target="_blank"><u>00:06</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And we look very, very much like really? That was very emotional for me because growing up in a place where there weren’t a lot of other Asian people, I had no idea what I was going to look like when I grew up and now to see some existing in the world, he looks nearly exactly like me is wild.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.89" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Am I am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>New Speaker:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.21" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Kim. She called me from right here in silver spring, Maryland. Kim is a Korean born adoptee, raised in an all white community. She shared how she always pushed down her desire to search for her birth mother until the recent political climate brought out the true colors of her adoptive mother. I’ve heard stories of Asian adoptees having trouble making connections overseas, but Kim’s connection was quick and easy. But building a relationship through a translator, secrecy and secondary rejection have left Kim with a broken heart. This is Kim’s journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=96.53" target="_blank"><u>01:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Kim was adopted from South Korea when she was five months old.</p><p>Kim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=100.27" target="_blank"><u>01:40</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I came on a plane to New York City with a military personnel who is carrying me. And so that day, um, my family celebrates as an airplane day I think and that I commentator his Gotcha day and so really celebrate that as like when I joined the family are like our family became complete.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=127.94" target="_blank"><u>02:07</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Kim grew up in Toms River, New Jersey with her brother, nonbiological also adopted from South Korea. Kim is from Incheon and was adopted through Spence Chapin based in New York. Her brother was born in Seoul and he was adopted through Holt International. Kim said there were very few other Asian people in New Jersey and even fewer adoptees that she knew of.</p><p>Kim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=150.54" target="_blank"><u>02:30</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My adoptive parents did put a lot of effort into trying to educate me, I guess about being adopted and they did make an effort to try and connect me with other adoptees through support groups or agencies sponsored camp. It will say like, I am grateful that I was adopted through Sepnce Chapin because they do have a great, a close adoption services department through their agency, some of the people that I’ve worked with that are adoptees themselves, so that is a great, uh, resource, the barrier for me to access information, especially regarding my birth family and like my files Spence Chapin made a very easy and talking to my brother apparently when he tried to find out information about his birth family, it was a less straightforward.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=211.66" target="_blank"><u>03:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, I’ve, I am not an international adoptee, but in the little experience that I’ve had in speaking with international adoptees, it’s been my understanding that the process can be incredibly challenging to try to search anyway just because, you know, there was this churning market for, you know, the, forgive my words, the removal of babies, the placement of babies and I’m just, there was no need for any kind of documentation. We were moving these babies along and it wasn’t seen as an a time to, in any way retain somebody’s identity. You know, there was really just a market for moving children into their next family. So That’s interesting that they made your records so openly available. And that’s cool.</p><p>Kim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=261.98" target="_blank"><u>04:21</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. So, you know, it kind of gave me some I comfort in that I feel like my birth mother perhaps wasn’t afraid to find me or like search for me later in life because she did leave her real name and she did provide my actual birthday, which had a lot of adoptees don’t have birthdays. They have to be there, the date that they were released from the orphanage or foster care but don’t really have an idea of when they were born. And like you were saying, you know, there was such a market and people forget that adoption is a business.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=308.87" target="_blank"><u>05:08</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It can be very expensive to adopt internationally. And Kim commented that she wondered where these exorbitant fees are going and who’s profiting. So growing up it was pretty obvious that Kim was adopted. She talks a little bit about the comments she heard and her first indication that she was truly different than other children.</p><p>Kim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=328.26" target="_blank"><u>05:28</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My parents are white. Um, and people would always ask very blunt questions like, did you know you were adopted? Or like when did you know that you were adopted? Like, how does it feel to know that your parents didn’t want you or how much did you cost for your parents to bring you here? Don’t you feel so grateful to them for saving you from Korea? So I remember the first time that I felt my race and I just didn’t know how to handle it was when I was five in kindergarten and people were like pulling back on their eyelids to me because at that time there was a black boy in my class and myself and we really diversity in the entire grade and, and so, you know, kids can be just so cruel and I just remember being like, oh, like someone was thinking of the way I worked and I was like, well, they’re just being ignorant and prejudiced and she never used the word racist. Even in other instances in my life when I experienced racism or prejudice and eventually it was a huge falling out for us are the way that we see and experience the world in different ways.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=426.63" target="_blank"><u>07:06</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Right. I can remember being that age in acting that way towards any kid, but I definitely can relate to being on the other side of what you experienced and I’m really sorry for that because that is racist and it does alienate people and you know, at fifth grade like you shouldn’t have to worry about that kind of stuff.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=450.16" target="_blank"><u>07:30</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I keyed in on Kim’s comment that the different ways she and her mother experienced the world turned into a rift between them. She said the challenge of dealing with her mother’s political views were part of what drove her to search.</p><p>Kim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=463.5" target="_blank"><u>07:43</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I actually first started looking for my birth family when I started having issues with my mom and it mostly came about from the recent presidential election and it just the stark difference in political views and social and moral values and I just felt like we were so different and things that were just very obvious to me in terms of like human rights and moral compass. We were like polar opposites and I just felt if I didn’t feel like physically different or as like an other category. From the way I looked, this definitely made me feel uncategorized I guess in my family, just like completely outside. I just felt like, how can I be so different and have such different views about society in the world that we live in?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=530.4" target="_blank"><u>08:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;May I ask two things? So first, what did your brother feel?</p><p>Kim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=538.28" target="_blank"><u>08:58</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Uh, so my brother and my parents never got along well. I think a lot of that stems back from his adoption story. He actually had a foster family and Korean and I was in an orphanage. And so, during those very young, special years, he was able to connect with someone.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=560.97" target="_blank"><u>09:20</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;No, I understand what you’re saying. I’ve got, I have experience with that. Not Myself personally, but my own daughter has that very same. Does the attachment issue. She came to live with us when she was nine, so you can imagine that she was very, very attached to the life that she grew up in. So I understand what you’re saying in terms of an inability to have a, to overcome certain attachment disorder issues to people. So what then did your mother try to explain to you and you know, often when people have these differences of opinion, you get into an argument, right? You want to persuade the other side why they are wrong and you are right. How, how did that play out? Not necessarily politically, but in terms of what you gleaned from how she was expressing her views of the world. Did you come to the realization like, oh, this is how you were raised or, or this is like the sixties in which you were raised or, or whatever the thing might be. What did you glean from your conversations with her about that?</p><p>Kim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=626.85" target="_blank"><u>10:26</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, I think a lot of it is how she was raised. Very much so, and a circumstance with privilege. Uh, but I’m one of the things that she had shared with my husband. She explained that I should be grateful because if she had not brought me to this country, I wouldn’t even have the ability to vote that I should like allow her to express her, own feelings and express her own opinion and whatnot. But I was just really taken aback by this idea that the saviorism and how I should be eternally grateful, like she provided the opportunity for me to vote.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=677.82" target="_blank"><u>11:17</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That must’ve been hard for you to hear. Especially because she said it to your husband.</p><p>Kim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=684.03" target="_blank"><u>11:24</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh yeah.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=684.93" target="_blank"><u>11:24</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is behind your back conversation.</p><p>Kim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=688.02" target="_blank"><u>11:28</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=689.1" target="_blank"><u>11:29</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It’s pretty clear. Kim has a deep disdain for her mother, but I hadn’t heard a single word about her father speaking about him. She did not bite her tongue.</p><p>Kim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wrwZIhSOdfssd9tgMoEoh1n9pvG9Z0DPwVv8msAPsvbj7qkSPHRG14B_hutTbadhe1JPrqU4X0Y7wGiWnzDW0cQSlds?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=698.85"...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/076-what-would-my-life-be-like-in-korea]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2288</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/6722ae23-86c9-4f01-a212-cbbf50cd71a8/5DAMlyaG7O-kmwSG6dcLwPi.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2021 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/8b22e744-b167-46d3-8995-628dc10d9185/076-what-would-my-life-be-like-in-korea-final.mp3" length="34284701" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>35:43</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>3</itunes:season><itunes:episode>76</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>76</podcast:episode><podcast:season>3</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Kim is a Korean born adoptee raised in an all-white community. She shared how she always pushed down her desire to search for her birth mother until the recent political climate brought out the true colors of her adoptive mother. I’ve heard stories of Asian adoptees having trouble making connections overseas, but Kim’s connection was quick and easy. But building…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>065 – Two Years Too Late, Then I Was Shocked</title><itunes:title>065 – Two Years Too Late, Then I Was Shocked</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Dana received her original birth certificate and when her husband looked up her birth mother’s name they found her obituary. It took her two years to find an address for her&nbsp;surviving aunt and a year to find the courage to write to her. Her Aunt gave Dana a name for the man who&nbsp;could be her birth father, but he was also deceased.&nbsp;Luckily DNA testing told a different story.</p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Dana:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.64" target="_blank"><u>00:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She never knew about me. She thought that she was an only child for her her entire life. So finding out that she has an older sister that came as kind of like shocks or she. So she just told me she knows she needs, she needs time sheets, she needs space and I get that. You know, it’s like, I can’t imagine going thinking that you’re an only child for like most… for your entire life. Minifying boom. You have an older sister.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.97" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.23" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is, who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Dana. She called me from Ohio A state we know has opened adoption records. Dana shares her story of growing up with two younger siblings, biological to her parents, but feeling equally loved by her parents. She tells the heartbreaking story of learning that she would never meet her biological mother and the near miss of a second heartbreak with her suspected biological father. Luckily, Dana was able to recover from some misinformation to learn her father’s identity. This is Dana’s journey. Dana grew up in the suburbs of Cleveland, Ohio. Originally, her mother didn’t think she could have children, but after Dana’s adoption, their family did expand naturally.</p><p>Dana:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=103.2" target="_blank"><u>01:43</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My adoptive, I’m like, um, a series of miscarriages and she was told that she, she would never have a child see a child of her own to full term. So she put it in an application through the Catholic charities and they called her like on her birthday and they told her that we have this little girl here, she’s French and Serbian, we know that your husband is, would you like to come look at her? Or my parents were like, really excited. They go, of course. Yeah, we weren’t gonna come take a look at her. So they went in to the orphanage. Um, I think it was a saint John’s Children’s home in Cleveland, Ohio. And they, they took a look at me and my mom said there was kind of like love at first sight and they took me home, my mom’s birthday. So, um, every year on her birthday we celebrated like um a cake for her and then cake for me because it was, there was our, our Gotcha Day and I love it. It was never kept a secret from me. It was never hidden. My mom actually did go on to have like, um, another, uh, a baby to full term that’s my sister and also like a son of full term of adoptive brother and sister. And it was, it was pretty cool because when, um, when my mom was pregnant with my sister, they actually came up for like, um, adoption for like a second time because she wanted a sibling for me. And the social worker called her and my mom goes, I’m willing, you know, I can’t do this now I’m pregnant. And she goes, well, you know, since, I know you had such a hard time. Like I’m keeping baby to full term. We’re gonna do is. I’m going to put your, file your case down at the bottom of the file. I want you to call me when that baby’s born. And my mom did and my social worker actually came out to see me and my sister and my sister was born, so it was really, really sweet that she, that she did that and everything, you know,</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=223.57" target="_blank"><u>03:43</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That is really sweet, wow that is so incredibly thoughtful. Boy. She’s the right person for that kind of job.</p><p>Dana:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=228.09" target="_blank"><u>03:48</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Exactly.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=230.99" target="_blank"><u>03:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Dana’s sister is three years younger than her and her brother is 11 years younger. She acknowledges that there was a significant age gap between herself and her brother, but they were all treated equally. You may have heard Dana say that her family was told she was French and Serbian. When people ask her about her heritage, she refers to her adopted mother’s Polish heritage and tells people that she’s legally Polish. I was curious about what differences Dana may have noticed between herself and her family members. Her sister was an athlete, but Dana lacks the hand eye coordination her sister has and while it’s not typically thought of as a family tree, she thinks she probably picked up her interest in Saifai from her adopted father because they used to watch star trek together.</p><p>Dana:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=276.66" target="_blank"><u>04:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That my parents have always been like amazing and supportive. So even when it came, when even when I first talked about going after and looking for like my, um, my biological parents, they have, they’ve just been wonderful and amazing. That’s really great. As far as physical appearance, everybody told me growing up like they couldn’t believe that I was adopted because they look so much like, like my, like my adoptive mom, my and my sister. So it’s like, you know, it’s like I never saw any difference.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=306.28" target="_blank"><u>05:06</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It sounded to me like Dana was pretty comfortable in her home where everyone was loved and treated equally. So I wondered why she ever bothered to look for her biological family. She told me that three years ago when the state of Ohio opened adoption records for those born in the 1970s. She couldn’t fight the inner curiosity she’s always had.</p><p>Dana:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=326.98" target="_blank"><u>05:26</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Even though I was always accepted, was always treated equally and loving everything. I always had the questions like,...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dana received her original birth certificate and when her husband looked up her birth mother’s name they found her obituary. It took her two years to find an address for her&nbsp;surviving aunt and a year to find the courage to write to her. Her Aunt gave Dana a name for the man who&nbsp;could be her birth father, but he was also deceased.&nbsp;Luckily DNA testing told a different story.</p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Dana:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.64" target="_blank"><u>00:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She never knew about me. She thought that she was an only child for her her entire life. So finding out that she has an older sister that came as kind of like shocks or she. So she just told me she knows she needs, she needs time sheets, she needs space and I get that. You know, it’s like, I can’t imagine going thinking that you’re an only child for like most… for your entire life. Minifying boom. You have an older sister.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.97" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.23" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is, who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Dana. She called me from Ohio A state we know has opened adoption records. Dana shares her story of growing up with two younger siblings, biological to her parents, but feeling equally loved by her parents. She tells the heartbreaking story of learning that she would never meet her biological mother and the near miss of a second heartbreak with her suspected biological father. Luckily, Dana was able to recover from some misinformation to learn her father’s identity. This is Dana’s journey. Dana grew up in the suburbs of Cleveland, Ohio. Originally, her mother didn’t think she could have children, but after Dana’s adoption, their family did expand naturally.</p><p>Dana:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=103.2" target="_blank"><u>01:43</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My adoptive, I’m like, um, a series of miscarriages and she was told that she, she would never have a child see a child of her own to full term. So she put it in an application through the Catholic charities and they called her like on her birthday and they told her that we have this little girl here, she’s French and Serbian, we know that your husband is, would you like to come look at her? Or my parents were like, really excited. They go, of course. Yeah, we weren’t gonna come take a look at her. So they went in to the orphanage. Um, I think it was a saint John’s Children’s home in Cleveland, Ohio. And they, they took a look at me and my mom said there was kind of like love at first sight and they took me home, my mom’s birthday. So, um, every year on her birthday we celebrated like um a cake for her and then cake for me because it was, there was our, our Gotcha Day and I love it. It was never kept a secret from me. It was never hidden. My mom actually did go on to have like, um, another, uh, a baby to full term that’s my sister and also like a son of full term of adoptive brother and sister. And it was, it was pretty cool because when, um, when my mom was pregnant with my sister, they actually came up for like, um, adoption for like a second time because she wanted a sibling for me. And the social worker called her and my mom goes, I’m willing, you know, I can’t do this now I’m pregnant. And she goes, well, you know, since, I know you had such a hard time. Like I’m keeping baby to full term. We’re gonna do is. I’m going to put your, file your case down at the bottom of the file. I want you to call me when that baby’s born. And my mom did and my social worker actually came out to see me and my sister and my sister was born, so it was really, really sweet that she, that she did that and everything, you know,</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=223.57" target="_blank"><u>03:43</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That is really sweet, wow that is so incredibly thoughtful. Boy. She’s the right person for that kind of job.</p><p>Dana:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=228.09" target="_blank"><u>03:48</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Exactly.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=230.99" target="_blank"><u>03:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Dana’s sister is three years younger than her and her brother is 11 years younger. She acknowledges that there was a significant age gap between herself and her brother, but they were all treated equally. You may have heard Dana say that her family was told she was French and Serbian. When people ask her about her heritage, she refers to her adopted mother’s Polish heritage and tells people that she’s legally Polish. I was curious about what differences Dana may have noticed between herself and her family members. Her sister was an athlete, but Dana lacks the hand eye coordination her sister has and while it’s not typically thought of as a family tree, she thinks she probably picked up her interest in Saifai from her adopted father because they used to watch star trek together.</p><p>Dana:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=276.66" target="_blank"><u>04:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That my parents have always been like amazing and supportive. So even when it came, when even when I first talked about going after and looking for like my, um, my biological parents, they have, they’ve just been wonderful and amazing. That’s really great. As far as physical appearance, everybody told me growing up like they couldn’t believe that I was adopted because they look so much like, like my, like my adoptive mom, my and my sister. So it’s like, you know, it’s like I never saw any difference.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=306.28" target="_blank"><u>05:06</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It sounded to me like Dana was pretty comfortable in her home where everyone was loved and treated equally. So I wondered why she ever bothered to look for her biological family. She told me that three years ago when the state of Ohio opened adoption records for those born in the 1970s. She couldn’t fight the inner curiosity she’s always had.</p><p>Dana:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=326.98" target="_blank"><u>05:26</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Even though I was always accepted, was always treated equally and loving everything. I always had the questions like, I wondered like if I looked like my birth mom, I wondered what she was like, I wonder why exactly she gave me up for adoption. So it’s like even though he always have those questions in the back of your head when you’re adoptee, even growing up like you know, in a wonderful environment, you always wonder. So when I heard that they were releasing the original birth certificates, the first person they contacted was my adopted mom and I and I go, this is something I really wanted to do because it’s like I’ve always wondered, I’ve always been curious and she’s told me that they know this is something that you want to, you want to do. Go for it. She goes, if I was in your shoes, I would always like, I would have gone for it too, because it’s like, oh, I’ve always been curious too and She also told me that she felt like if they did a good enough job of raising me that it’s like I would never want to leave them or abandon them. I just laughed. I go, mom, it’s never, you know, you’re my peer and you’ve loved me. You raised me. It’s like, why would they even think that?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=396.18" target="_blank"><u>06:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So for $20, Dana sent in her notarized adoption records paperwork. Seven months later, her original birth certificate arrived in the mail. It only had her birth mother’s name on it. The birth father’s name wasn’t there. So Dana’s husband supporting his wife’s desire for information joined the search.</p><p>Dana:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=415.71" target="_blank"><u>06:55</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My husband has been amazing and supportive too. He actually went on online like the day that we got a hit seek my son so it could come scout meeting, but he went on the day that we got and he found her. We found out some information on her. Unfortunately, the first thing that we found when we googled her name was, um, we found her obituary, so she had passed away, um, about like, like two years prior to making my original birth certificate. We found out later that she passed away from als and I often find that that’s something that runs in the family.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=455.06" target="_blank"><u>07:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wow. That must been so sad to. You just missed her by two years.</p><p>Dana:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=461.38" target="_blank"><u>07:41</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Two Years. I know there was there was just devastating, so there’s a part of me that’s like, like mad that the State of Ohio you know, it’s like, why couldn’t she like cut the red tape and get it done quicker so that way maybe I could have met her.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=474.97" target="_blank"><u>07:54</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You probably remember the acronym als from the viral sensation ice bucket challenge, promoting awareness of the affliction, also known as Lou Gehrig’s disease, but more importantly, als is a rare but deadly nervous system disease that weakens the muscles and impacts Physical function, it’s full name is amyotrophic lateral sclerosis. Dana learned that her mother lived in Colorado, was married, and had another daughter. Dana’s sister. The obituary revealed that her family had an aunt and uncle who passed away. Her maternal grandparents were deceased, but there was one living aunt about 13 years younger than her mother, who was still alive, but making contact with that aunt meant she was reaching out to someone who may or may not know that she exists.</p><p>Dana:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=523.49" target="_blank"><u>08:43</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And then it took me about like a year before I finally had the courage to write a letter to her I didn’t know how to begin. It’s like, how do I reach out or what do I say? So, um, what I did was I sent her, we also found that a high school picture from my, from my mom from her senior year of high school, and I sent her a picture of that. I sent her a picture of myself and there’s no denying that I’m her daughter. I mean we looked that much like in the pictures. It was almost like a looking, like in a mirror when I saw that. So it’s like I sent that along to her and she called me about a week after I got the, after she got the letter and she goes, yet Dana. And I’m your aunt, your mind, your mind. Niece.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=565.5" target="_blank"><u>09:25</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;In the letter, Dana told her aunt whose middle name is Marie, that her birth mother named her Marie when she was born. A unique fact that legitimize her identity against any skepticism. I asked Dana if her aunt knew of her existence. Her aunt admitted that even with more than a decade of an age gap between them, she had her suspicions</p><p>Dana:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=587.35" target="_blank"><u>09:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;when she saw her and everything. She knows like certain things like, you know, like the, like the growing, the growing belly. And she said that there were just like little, like little things that she knows when, when they would get together and then all of a sudden you know, she wasn’t pregnant anymore and the baby was gone. So, you know, she never asked, but she, she, she suspected</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=613.07" target="_blank"><u>10:13</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;connecting with a relative can be really fulfilling, but you’re forced to formulate a picture of the person you didn’t get to meet through the words of others. I asked Dana what she learned about her mother, her aunt,</p><p>Dana:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/mSXMuvWojTzzYOJT-TPNFk15BWn7MbA_pBILR7SZEkpkfSML6KBhD4MVgqsXpRzZ26_U7g5hYPK4g4n8gh_zUaUut0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=625.67" target="_blank"><u>10:25</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;she told me that my birth mother was very, very smart. Um, she was actually a college student and very, very smart. But like, um, she also told me that my birth mom didn’t exactly make the best decisions when it came to men when it came to guys, she said that she was like kind of quiet, a little bit shy, but like, very, very, very sweet, very loving. She said that the way that she was raised her, her, her sister would have never ever thought about like um“ having an abortion with me and everything. She wasn’t only the family was, was brought up tonight. I told her it’s like the one thing that they wish I could have told her. Thank you, Like you gave me so many opportunities you brought into this world. Thank you....]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/065-two-years-too-late-then-i-was-shocked]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2194</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2021 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/a1e26699-3303-4a86-b46b-88a202ac27a7/065-two-years-too-late-then-i-was-shocked-final.mp3" length="27207818" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>28:20</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>3</itunes:season><itunes:episode>65</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>65</podcast:episode><podcast:season>3</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Dana received her original birth certificate and when her husband looked up her birth mother’s name they found her obituary. It took her two years to find an address for her surviving aunt and a year to find the courage to write to her. Her Aunt gave Dana a name for the man who could be her…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>017 – He Is My Brother And I Will Find Him</title><itunes:title>017 – He Is My Brother And I Will Find Him</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Renee searched for her mother literally her whole life.&nbsp;But her search predated the internet so she frequented the library and scoured local high school year books. with hopes of finding someone she felt she was related to.&nbsp;When she located her biological mother she refused to share any information about Renee’s biological father and forbade Renee for searching for her biological brother. The more you tell a person not to do something, the more they want to do that very thing and Renee swore to definitely search for her brother. Ultimately DNA testing unraveled the mystery. She takes a lot of comfort in knowing that her father was a pretty cool guy and someone she would’ve admired.&nbsp;Even after a tumultuous childhood, and severed ties to her biological mother, Renée said she has no regrets about searching for her biological family and she would do it again.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/017-renee-m/" target="_blank">017 – He Is My Brother And I Will Find Him</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Renee (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.3" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:03</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I started running away from home when I was four and when they would find me, I would have my little suitcase, my little flower power suitcase, and they would say, where are you going? And I would say, I'm going to go sign my mother. So I started searching for my mother before I even knew what it meant.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=27.52" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:27</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.94" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:38</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=53.56" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:53</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Hey, it's Damon and my guest on the show today is Renee. She was born in the 60s where her adoptive mother felt there were high expectations for what a family should look like and for her to be a mother. Renee shared that her upbringing wasn't a warm family environment at all. In her house, all of the caregiving things that parents do for their children, she had to do for herself. She was abused by her father and that abusive behavior was passed down to their biological son. When Renee had reached her limit, she ran away from home to start a new life and to try to find her biological family. Renee's journey begins in Houston, Texas.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=97.85" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:37</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">She says her mother felt pressure to make her family meet societal norms, but she wasn't a very good mother at all. And her adoptive father was abusive. Her childhood had no love, no friends. And the children basically raised themselves.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Renee (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=111.86" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:51</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">My adoptive parents tried to have a child of their own for about 10 years and they weren't able to so they adopted my older brother who's not related. And then three years later adopted me because you have to have the boy and the girl and the boy has to be older and girl, you know, um, my adoptive mother was extremely rigid and rule bound and she, I don't think she actually wanted to be a mother, but society dictated that she had to be. So that was in order to appear successful, that's what she needed to do.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=148.29" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:28</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">what makes you say that you didn't think she actually wanted to be a mother?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Renee (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=151.67" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:31</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">She was a horrible mother. I mean she, she just could not deal with the fact that there were people in that house who needed her care.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=161.56" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:41</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Wow. Can you give me an example of what you mean?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Renee (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=165.26" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:45</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, we fed ourselves out of jars and cans and we ate cereal. We fed each other. No one cooked. We learned how to wash our own clothes before we started school. We had a step stool up to the washing machine because it was top loading at the time. And we learned how to wash our own clothes. We bathed ourselves, everything. We did everything ourselves. We didn't really have a mother and she didn't work. She was a stay at home person.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=197.04" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:17</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Oh. So there was no reason for her not to have the energy to be the nurturing mom.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Renee (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=203.49" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:23</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Absolutely didn't want to. She didn't, she didn't cuddle us. She didn't hug us. She didn't, there was no, I mean, we just didn't, didn't interact with her. She was just kind of just presence in the house that you didn't really bother.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=218.83" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:38</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And how were you with your father then? Your adoptive father?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Renee (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=223.86" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:43</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, he was a pedophile and an abuser and uh, my older brother, he beat half to death a couple of times a week. And me, he beat it up a couple of times, half to death a couple of times a week. And um, he abused me sexually. He didn't abuse boys sexually. When I was 10, they finally did conceive and have a child of their own. He's a pedophile as well. He's a convicted pedophile as well.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=251.9" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:11</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Is that right? My gosh, I'm so sorry for how you grew up. That sounds incredibly horrible.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Renee (</span><a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Renee searched for her mother literally her whole life.&nbsp;But her search predated the internet so she frequented the library and scoured local high school year books. with hopes of finding someone she felt she was related to.&nbsp;When she located her biological mother she refused to share any information about Renee’s biological father and forbade Renee for searching for her biological brother. The more you tell a person not to do something, the more they want to do that very thing and Renee swore to definitely search for her brother. Ultimately DNA testing unraveled the mystery. She takes a lot of comfort in knowing that her father was a pretty cool guy and someone she would’ve admired.&nbsp;Even after a tumultuous childhood, and severed ties to her biological mother, Renée said she has no regrets about searching for her biological family and she would do it again.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/017-renee-m/" target="_blank">017 – He Is My Brother And I Will Find Him</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Renee (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.3" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:03</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I started running away from home when I was four and when they would find me, I would have my little suitcase, my little flower power suitcase, and they would say, where are you going? And I would say, I'm going to go sign my mother. So I started searching for my mother before I even knew what it meant.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=27.52" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:27</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.94" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:38</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=53.56" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:53</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Hey, it's Damon and my guest on the show today is Renee. She was born in the 60s where her adoptive mother felt there were high expectations for what a family should look like and for her to be a mother. Renee shared that her upbringing wasn't a warm family environment at all. In her house, all of the caregiving things that parents do for their children, she had to do for herself. She was abused by her father and that abusive behavior was passed down to their biological son. When Renee had reached her limit, she ran away from home to start a new life and to try to find her biological family. Renee's journey begins in Houston, Texas.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=97.85" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:37</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">She says her mother felt pressure to make her family meet societal norms, but she wasn't a very good mother at all. And her adoptive father was abusive. Her childhood had no love, no friends. And the children basically raised themselves.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Renee (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=111.86" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:51</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">My adoptive parents tried to have a child of their own for about 10 years and they weren't able to so they adopted my older brother who's not related. And then three years later adopted me because you have to have the boy and the girl and the boy has to be older and girl, you know, um, my adoptive mother was extremely rigid and rule bound and she, I don't think she actually wanted to be a mother, but society dictated that she had to be. So that was in order to appear successful, that's what she needed to do.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=148.29" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:28</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">what makes you say that you didn't think she actually wanted to be a mother?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Renee (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=151.67" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:31</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">She was a horrible mother. I mean she, she just could not deal with the fact that there were people in that house who needed her care.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=161.56" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:41</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Wow. Can you give me an example of what you mean?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Renee (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=165.26" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:45</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, we fed ourselves out of jars and cans and we ate cereal. We fed each other. No one cooked. We learned how to wash our own clothes before we started school. We had a step stool up to the washing machine because it was top loading at the time. And we learned how to wash our own clothes. We bathed ourselves, everything. We did everything ourselves. We didn't really have a mother and she didn't work. She was a stay at home person.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=197.04" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:17</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Oh. So there was no reason for her not to have the energy to be the nurturing mom.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Renee (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=203.49" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:23</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Absolutely didn't want to. She didn't, she didn't cuddle us. She didn't hug us. She didn't, there was no, I mean, we just didn't, didn't interact with her. She was just kind of just presence in the house that you didn't really bother.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=218.83" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:38</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And how were you with your father then? Your adoptive father?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Renee (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=223.86" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:43</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, he was a pedophile and an abuser and uh, my older brother, he beat half to death a couple of times a week. And me, he beat it up a couple of times, half to death a couple of times a week. And um, he abused me sexually. He didn't abuse boys sexually. When I was 10, they finally did conceive and have a child of their own. He's a pedophile as well. He's a convicted pedophile as well.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=251.9" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:11</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Is that right? My gosh, I'm so sorry for how you grew up. That sounds incredibly horrible.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Renee (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=261.36" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:21</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">It was, I mean, I look back on it now and yes it is, but we didn't know any different at the time. We didn't really have friends because we were so ashamed. We didn't want people to come to the house. My adopted mother didn't clean either. If we wanted to have someone over the house, instinctually, we knew that we should clean the house up. I mean, we were on our own pretty much. We had a roof over our head and there was, you know, there were canned foods and, and lunch meat and cereal and things like that, um, in the house. It's not like we were starving, it's just that if we wanted it done, we had to do it ourself.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=301.6" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:01</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And what did that make you think about your adoption and your biological family? Like when did it start to hit you that this was just not..</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Renee (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=310.65" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:10</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, I was, I was, I was an adult before it even occurred to me. I think after I had a child myself, I was 21 when I had my son and mothering him started to realize just how messed up my childhood had been. I mean, I always knew just from watching other families that, um, when I had a baby, if I ever had a baby, because I, I definitely wasn't committed to that. There would be cuddling and hugging and reading, you know, reading stories and, and all that kind of stuff. Um, you know, I, I made myself so promises that I would do some things very differently, but you don't actually realize what all goes into parenting until you're a parent. And that's when I really started to see just how little she had done and she was also anorexic. She was, I mean there were just.. It was such a mess.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=373.5" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:13</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Renee says her adoptive mother had a very traumatic childhood herself in war torn Czechoslovakia. Their family had fled the country after fighting erupted in the skies above her home. Together in a new country.,Renee's adopted mother and her loving Czech grandmother were neighbors and her grandmother's close proximity was her escape from the chaos.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Renee (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=393.77" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:33</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">My grandma and grandpa lived right behind us and they were like night and day from our family. And I spent a lot of time at their house because they lived directly behind us. There was a gate between the two yards and she was super affectionate and she would cook for me and she would watch TV with me sitting on her lap. She was just awesome and she saved my life. I mean, she made everything okay. So what I didn't get from them, I did get from my grandparents.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=428.21" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:08</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Did you ever ask your grandmother why your mom was like that?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Renee (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=432.3" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:12</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I couldn't really, she didn't speak enough English.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Speaker 3 (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=434.63" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:14</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I see, I see. Did she ever know the beatings, the markings? Did she ever show concern?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Renee (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=440.52" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:20</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yes, she would come running. She would come running across the yard. This tiny little enormously fat lady. You know, come wobbling as fast as she could and scream at my adoptive father what sounded like threats. I did learn to speak some Czech just to communicate with her, but yeah, I, yeah, she was definitely, she did what she could.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=463.96" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:43</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah. She sounds like she provided some respite and she sounds like the home that your mother would have grown up in with your grandmother which was not at all exemplary of the type of home that you grew up in. I wonder what the disconnect was for her.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Renee (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=478.26" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:58</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I mean you have to understand, she grew up in Czechoslovakia during the war and they left Czechoslovakia ahead of Hitler. So who knows. It's not a time she ever talks about. They had to leave their farm. There was an air battle above their farm and a couple of planes were shot down and there were body parts and pieces all over the grapevines. She wouldn't eat gapes. So you know, she was a kid. She was born in 29 so, and like I said, you know, she was just following the script. She believed that this was the script that she had to follow in order to be a good person and in order to be a successful person and someone who could be admired in her community. So she did those things. Now the fact that she wasn't cut out for those things, it never occurred to her, I don't think.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=533.97" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:53</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">You try to force yourself a round peg into the square hole that that society tells you you need to be.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Renee (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=540.04" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:00</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">well, and she was very narcissistic as well. So what she needed or wanted was really all that was important. So it's not like she even questioned, should I be a mother? Well of course she should be a mother. She was awesome.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=554.01" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:14</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">She held herself in high regard. So of course she was going to be.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Renee (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=557.011" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:17</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Very high regard.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ylv_mHxQRPLcsrOCRGuDsC7Lmzmma0dLbPf00Lit8BrmFLWK4A1ANjiiUoS5xnwPteK5zmCUWQff_NeTwdyVXiDzECw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=557.011" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:17</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Renee said she was about 12 years old when she realized her situation was not okay. She left home at about 15 years old because she just couldn't take it anymore. But Renee wasn't an adult, so she had to lie about her age to get by. Back in the 1970s, you could easily pass for]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/017-he-is-my-brother-and-i-will-find-him]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1589</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2021 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/e67bd1e3-6240-4bfd-a7de-ac968d2ca775/017-renee-m-final.mp3" length="33118751" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>34:30</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>17</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>17</podcast:episode><itunes:summary>Renee searched for her mother literally her whole life.  But her search predated the internet so she frequented the library and scoured local high school year books. with hopes of finding someone she felt she was related to. When she located her biological mother she refused to share any information about Renee’s biological father and forbade…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>155 - Adoptee Podcaster Perspectives, 2020 National Adoption Awareness Month</title><itunes:title>155 - Adoptee Podcaster Perspectives, 2020 National Adoption Awareness Month</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Adoptees have the ultimate voice about the adoption experience. Adoptee podcasters are offering fellow adoptees outlets for sharing their inner thoughts and deepest emotions about their adoption journeys -- the happy and sad, incredible experiences and the awful outcomes. </p><p>On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 @ 7pm ET the hosts of some of the leading adoptee hosted podcasts: "Adoptees On" with Haley Radke, "Born In June Raised In April" with April Dinwoodie and "Who Am I Really?" with Damon Davis shared some of their insights from several years and hundreds of episodes podcasting about adoption. </p><p>This was an open event for everyone to attend, ask questions, and hopefully leave with useful insights.</p><p><br></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adoptees have the ultimate voice about the adoption experience. Adoptee podcasters are offering fellow adoptees outlets for sharing their inner thoughts and deepest emotions about their adoption journeys -- the happy and sad, incredible experiences and the awful outcomes. </p><p>On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 @ 7pm ET the hosts of some of the leading adoptee hosted podcasts: "Adoptees On" with Haley Radke, "Born In June Raised In April" with April Dinwoodie and "Who Am I Really?" with Damon Davis shared some of their insights from several years and hundreds of episodes podcasting about adoption. </p><p>This was an open event for everyone to attend, ask questions, and hopefully leave with useful insights.</p><p><br></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/155-adoptee-podcaster-perspectives-2020-national-adoption-awareness-month]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">db83a0f9-7c1e-4fb0-a286-5a28357be35a</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2021 05:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/36b64c38-623b-4891-a17e-3b8266b365aa/155-adoptee-podcaster-perspectives-2020-naam.mp3" length="123230048" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:25:35</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>8</itunes:season><itunes:episode>155</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>155</podcast:episode><podcast:season>8</podcast:season></item><item><title>154 - I Felt Like I Could Breath Again</title><itunes:title>154 - I Felt Like I Could Breath Again</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Yvonne called me from here in Washington, DC. She is a birth mother in reunion with her son after more than 40 years apart.  She shares the loneliness of her pregnancy, her desire to keep her baby versus her inability to do so, the moment she came face to face with her son's adoptive mother and her search to find the man he grew up to be. </p><p>Yvonne is launching a new podcast, "<strong>Birth Moms Real Talk</strong>" (<a href="https://www.birthmomsrealtalk.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.birthmomsrealtalk.com</a>) where other women like herself can share their stories openly in a safe place. But before we get to her podcast this is Yvonne's journey.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yvonne called me from here in Washington, DC. She is a birth mother in reunion with her son after more than 40 years apart.  She shares the loneliness of her pregnancy, her desire to keep her baby versus her inability to do so, the moment she came face to face with her son's adoptive mother and her search to find the man he grew up to be. </p><p>Yvonne is launching a new podcast, "<strong>Birth Moms Real Talk</strong>" (<a href="https://www.birthmomsrealtalk.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.birthmomsrealtalk.com</a>) where other women like herself can share their stories openly in a safe place. But before we get to her podcast this is Yvonne's journey.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/154-i-felt-like-i-could-breath-again]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">67ce704f-bcb2-44c0-8ac9-c61a79e5547e</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2021 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/07cb8207-6af3-4dd5-87d4-b69223e16809/154-i-felt-like-i-could-breath-again-final.mp3" length="91345781" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:03:26</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>8</itunes:season><itunes:episode>154</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>154</podcast:episode><podcast:season>8</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/b44683cc-79e5-420c-bb84-d79aab7e37e8/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>153 - Emotional Unraveling</title><itunes:title>153 - Emotional Unraveling</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Sari, a self-proclaimed nomad,  called me from New Mexico. When she was a girl the school science project on heredity ignited her desire to learn her truth. After decades of searching for her birth parents, she found her birth father first, or so she thought. When Sari confronted her birth mother about the man, she was stonewalled and lied to. Sari learned that her birth mother wasn't the woman she'd hoped she would be to her either. </p><p>Ultimately, Sari decided she'd keep the relationship with her "birth father", because for the first time as an adoptee the choice was up to her who she got to call family. This is Sari's &nbsp;</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sari, a self-proclaimed nomad,  called me from New Mexico. When she was a girl the school science project on heredity ignited her desire to learn her truth. After decades of searching for her birth parents, she found her birth father first, or so she thought. When Sari confronted her birth mother about the man, she was stonewalled and lied to. Sari learned that her birth mother wasn't the woman she'd hoped she would be to her either. </p><p>Ultimately, Sari decided she'd keep the relationship with her "birth father", because for the first time as an adoptee the choice was up to her who she got to call family. This is Sari's &nbsp;</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/153-emotional-unraveling]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">8b46599c-d775-479a-ac7e-d4e38ebccfee</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/3e02fadb-181f-4c66-a72b-7896caf37afb/Ibhj1jqUo6v3v3fil7_kpVYK.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2021 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d5d148b0-fc41-4d3f-8a34-3e8f35bb4cf8/153-emotional-unraveling-final.mp3" length="75303034" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>52:18</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>8</itunes:season><itunes:episode>153</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>153</podcast:episode><podcast:season>8</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/8267781b-d341-4350-b307-f0a9aa96c93a/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>152 - Together More: Rejection and Reunion</title><itunes:title>152 - Together More: Rejection and Reunion</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Roderick chatted with me from Ocala, Florida but he was born and raised in Indianapolis, Indiana. Roderick was adopted into a family where he was the middle child, but he would become the parent to his younger siblings, forgoing his own high school graduation to care for his neglected brother and sister. Focusing on their wellbeing he sacrificed his own advancement.&nbsp;</p><p>In reunion, Roderick found siblings he had never thought of before. Then, experienced secondary rejection from an aunt in Indiana. That rejection came after Roderick found a full blood sibling in Florida and decided to move there to be closer to her. </p><p>This is roderick's journey.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roderick chatted with me from Ocala, Florida but he was born and raised in Indianapolis, Indiana. Roderick was adopted into a family where he was the middle child, but he would become the parent to his younger siblings, forgoing his own high school graduation to care for his neglected brother and sister. Focusing on their wellbeing he sacrificed his own advancement.&nbsp;</p><p>In reunion, Roderick found siblings he had never thought of before. Then, experienced secondary rejection from an aunt in Indiana. That rejection came after Roderick found a full blood sibling in Florida and decided to move there to be closer to her. </p><p>This is roderick's journey.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/152-together-more-rejection-and-reunion]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">e861b53d-372b-41dc-b388-ebb1a4629635</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2021 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d5c483a0-45d6-44bc-86ca-916e859688dd/152-together-more-rejection-and-reunion-final-draft.mp3" length="67669442" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>47:00</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>8</itunes:season><itunes:episode>152</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>152</podcast:episode><podcast:season>8</podcast:season></item><item><title>151 – “Junior”</title><itunes:title>151 - &quot;Junior&quot;</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Dirk, from Phoenix, Arizona, was raised as a Hispanic person and his documentation said he was Hispanic, but the world saw him differently. And DNA did too. Dirk found his birth mother, but at two separate times, he was forced to reckon with secondary rejection. Fortunately, he found his birth father acceptance from all, but one of his siblings and the warm feeling inside from knowing He looks the most like their father out of all of his children.</p><p>This is dirk's journey</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dirk, from Phoenix, Arizona, was raised as a Hispanic person and his documentation said he was Hispanic, but the world saw him differently. And DNA did too. Dirk found his birth mother, but at two separate times, he was forced to reckon with secondary rejection. Fortunately, he found his birth father acceptance from all, but one of his siblings and the warm feeling inside from knowing He looks the most like their father out of all of his children.</p><p>This is dirk's journey</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/151-junior]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">83251ad1-af6d-4c62-ad06-4d535af77dc9</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2021 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/2d1cf757-e5a3-4934-8257-58011d23ad6a/151-junior-final.mp3" length="72974569" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>50:41</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>8</itunes:season><itunes:episode>151</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>151</podcast:episode><podcast:season>8</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/3d395a3d-c204-4a1a-ad9f-d39a22fd5a0d/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>150 – So Many Things Tie Together</title><itunes:title>150 - So Many Things Tie Together</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Joe is from Assonet, Massachusetts, just south of Boston. He shares his pride for being an adopted person, the challenge to make his way through his physical limitations as a kid, and the demons he removed from his life before attempting reunion.&nbsp;</p><p>Facing secondary rejection. He had to overcome the anger and hurt to even attempt the next reunion decades later.&nbsp;When he did, Joe learned that his siblings in different families were friends, his father's had friends in common&nbsp;and that everything in his life was connected in ways he hadn't realized.</p><p>This is Joe's journey.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe is from Assonet, Massachusetts, just south of Boston. He shares his pride for being an adopted person, the challenge to make his way through his physical limitations as a kid, and the demons he removed from his life before attempting reunion.&nbsp;</p><p>Facing secondary rejection. He had to overcome the anger and hurt to even attempt the next reunion decades later.&nbsp;When he did, Joe learned that his siblings in different families were friends, his father's had friends in common&nbsp;and that everything in his life was connected in ways he hadn't realized.</p><p>This is Joe's journey.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/150-so-many-things-tie-together]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">c9c76314-eb8b-449a-b36a-f74a45d67404</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2021 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/35ee5668-57fa-43b6-b67f-b8885446b579/150-so-many-things-tie-together-final-draft.mp3" length="84601797" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>58:45</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>8</itunes:season><itunes:episode>150</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>150</podcast:episode><podcast:season>8</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/a313c695-5c42-47da-af74-23e0bd80d6c3/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>2020 NAAM – Male Adoptee Voices</title><itunes:title>2020 NAAM - Male Adoptee Voices</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>November is National Adoption Awareness Month (#NAAM), a time to bring awareness to all of the issues that adoption brings to adoptees, families formed through adoption, and natural families of adoptees. However one underrepresented voice in the adoption constellation is that of the male adoptee.&nbsp;</p><p>On the “Who Am I Really?” podcast only 30% of the adoptee guests have been men. While adoptees have the ultimate voice about the adoption experience, very few men have stepped forward to share their adoption journey. For #NAAM 2020 I gathered three of my male adoptee podcast guests online to share their inner thoughts and deepest emotions about their adoption journeys. Andre McCallum (ep 001), Tom Andriola, (ep 012), and Adrian Jones (ep 132) joined me to share their stories of adoption, reunion, and the roller coaster of emotions they lived along the way.&nbsp;</p><p>Andre, Ep 001 - The End of Summer Cake - http://bit.ly/2S8ZpLp_001</p><p>Tom, Ep 012 - I Need This For My Sanity - https://bit.ly/3nLJrIh_012</p><p>Adrian, Ep 132 - Nearly Dying Is One Of The Best Things That Ever Happened - https://bit.ly/31GDq6m_132</p><p>*Who Am I Really - An Adoptee Memoir, by Damon Davis - https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>November is National Adoption Awareness Month (#NAAM), a time to bring awareness to all of the issues that adoption brings to adoptees, families formed through adoption, and natural families of adoptees. However one underrepresented voice in the adoption constellation is that of the male adoptee.&nbsp;</p><p>On the “Who Am I Really?” podcast only 30% of the adoptee guests have been men. While adoptees have the ultimate voice about the adoption experience, very few men have stepped forward to share their adoption journey. For #NAAM 2020 I gathered three of my male adoptee podcast guests online to share their inner thoughts and deepest emotions about their adoption journeys. Andre McCallum (ep 001), Tom Andriola, (ep 012), and Adrian Jones (ep 132) joined me to share their stories of adoption, reunion, and the roller coaster of emotions they lived along the way.&nbsp;</p><p>Andre, Ep 001 - The End of Summer Cake - http://bit.ly/2S8ZpLp_001</p><p>Tom, Ep 012 - I Need This For My Sanity - https://bit.ly/3nLJrIh_012</p><p>Adrian, Ep 132 - Nearly Dying Is One Of The Best Things That Ever Happened - https://bit.ly/31GDq6m_132</p><p>*Who Am I Really - An Adoptee Memoir, by Damon Davis - https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/149-2020-naam-male-adoptee-voices]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">2dfbf5e7-d284-477c-8d16-b5ac7545bcbf</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2021 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d6b7ed40-7fd5-4ce4-b179-ece218a216b8/149-2020-naam-male-adoptee-voices-final.mp3" length="126302005" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:27:43</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>8</itunes:season><itunes:episode>149</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>149</podcast:episode><podcast:season>8</podcast:season></item><item><title>148 - Being More Positive Is Huge In My Life</title><itunes:title>148 - Being More Positive Is Huge In My Life</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Ben, from Fannystelle, Manitoba Canada, had an extremely rough start in his first home with his biological family. He was abused at the hand of his step dad, so he was removed by child and family services for his safety. </p><p>Bensen, or Ben was nursed back to health in foster care, and placed in a new family at seven years old. </p><p>He admits he was an angry teen, taking on negativity in his life to cope. But as an adult he's done the hard work to make positive change for himself despite living with triggers on his body that remind him of what he's endured. </p><p>Ben speaks of breaking the cycle of abuse when raising his own daughter, thanking his foster family for their loving care, and  encouraging other adoptees (especially men) to tell their story over and over to try to reduce the pain we sometimes feel. </p><p>This is Bensen's journey. </p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, from Fannystelle, Manitoba Canada, had an extremely rough start in his first home with his biological family. He was abused at the hand of his step dad, so he was removed by child and family services for his safety. </p><p>Bensen, or Ben was nursed back to health in foster care, and placed in a new family at seven years old. </p><p>He admits he was an angry teen, taking on negativity in his life to cope. But as an adult he's done the hard work to make positive change for himself despite living with triggers on his body that remind him of what he's endured. </p><p>Ben speaks of breaking the cycle of abuse when raising his own daughter, thanking his foster family for their loving care, and  encouraging other adoptees (especially men) to tell their story over and over to try to reduce the pain we sometimes feel. </p><p>This is Bensen's journey. </p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/148-being-more-positive-is-huge-in-my-life]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">e5deba3c-5982-4889-b9f5-743dc79fe678</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2021 00:30:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/733e0e4e-ea0f-4b31-ae05-f52e3e9f727c/148-being-more-positive-is-huge-in-my-life.mp3" length="77147506" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>53:34</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>8</itunes:season><itunes:episode>148</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>148</podcast:episode><podcast:season>8</podcast:season></item><item><title>146 - You Were Who I Always Needed</title><itunes:title>146 - You Were Who I Always Needed</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Michelle, from Ohio. </p><p>She talks about the challenge of her childhood, craving a connection, but having the one she shared with her Dad snuffed out.&nbsp;</p><p>Her search, which began with Adoption Network Cleveland where she found an ally in a birth mother in the group. Along the way Michelle felt the shame of her simple request to have access to her own records, and was met with secondary rejection. </p><p>Luckily, Michelle has found the one person&nbsp;she now shares an undeniable bond with -- the&nbsp;one she's&nbsp;always needed.&nbsp;</p><p>She said that adoption shaped her, her lack of attachment to her biological family forever changed her to her core. But she's moving forward with all the joys in the family she built and with the family she's found.</p><p>This is Michelle's journey...</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle, from Ohio. </p><p>She talks about the challenge of her childhood, craving a connection, but having the one she shared with her Dad snuffed out.&nbsp;</p><p>Her search, which began with Adoption Network Cleveland where she found an ally in a birth mother in the group. Along the way Michelle felt the shame of her simple request to have access to her own records, and was met with secondary rejection. </p><p>Luckily, Michelle has found the one person&nbsp;she now shares an undeniable bond with -- the&nbsp;one she's&nbsp;always needed.&nbsp;</p><p>She said that adoption shaped her, her lack of attachment to her biological family forever changed her to her core. But she's moving forward with all the joys in the family she built and with the family she's found.</p><p>This is Michelle's journey...</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/146-you-were-who-i-always-needed]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">a0663ce9-91ca-4c72-a423-5e06fe09c88f</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2021 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/016b914d-2b1a-444c-a20b-13711d3ba5d6/146-you-were-who-i-always-needed-final2.mp3" length="64521578" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>44:48</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>8</itunes:season><itunes:episode>146</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>146</podcast:episode><podcast:season>8</podcast:season></item><item><title>145 - Tommy Davidson, Living In Color - What&apos;s Funny About Me</title><itunes:title>145 - Tommy Davidson, Living In Color - What&apos;s Funny About Me</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Comedian television and film actor, and all around entertainer. Tommy Davidson has seen it all. He launched his comedy career in the Washington DC area.&nbsp;Capitalizing on his innate ability to entertain people and make them bust out in laughter.&nbsp;</p><p>But his earliest days were grounded in trauma that as an adoptee, he didn't face until he was an adult and was at risk of losing everything. Tommy graciously took time to chat with me about his life and his career as documented in his book, living in color. What's funny about me. From being found as an infant, clinging to life, to his show, business success&nbsp;on one of my favorite sketch comedy television shows, living color . Tommy has put in the work to face the trauma of his adoption, overcome addiction and rebuild his life. This is Tommy's journey.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comedian television and film actor, and all around entertainer. Tommy Davidson has seen it all. He launched his comedy career in the Washington DC area.&nbsp;Capitalizing on his innate ability to entertain people and make them bust out in laughter.&nbsp;</p><p>But his earliest days were grounded in trauma that as an adoptee, he didn't face until he was an adult and was at risk of losing everything. Tommy graciously took time to chat with me about his life and his career as documented in his book, living in color. What's funny about me. From being found as an infant, clinging to life, to his show, business success&nbsp;on one of my favorite sketch comedy television shows, living color . Tommy has put in the work to face the trauma of his adoption, overcome addiction and rebuild his life. This is Tommy's journey.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/145-tommy-davidson-living-in-color-whats-funny-about-me]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">49a132f3-d5a0-4733-b8ad-32f4dafc12f0</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2021 07:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ed59fb96-deb3-45e4-a82b-a05acfc239a7/145-tommy-davidson-living-in-color-what-s-funny-about-me-final.mp3" length="41410131" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>28:45</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>8</itunes:season><itunes:episode>145</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>145</podcast:episode><podcast:season>8</podcast:season></item><item><title>061 – I Know They May Not Love Me…</title><itunes:title>061 – I Know They May Not Love Me…</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Stephanie grew up in a very wealthy family in South Carolina and you’ll hear discuss the family’s fortune, but pause before you pass judgment on how easy life must have been.&nbsp;Her story is filled with manipulative behavior, malicious intentions, and a foundation created from lies. You’ll also hear Stephanie’s intelligence and tenacity to get her through the tough times as she learned the truth about her adopted family’s feelings towards her, the story of how she arrived in her aunt’s care, and the tough road to connect with her sister.</p><p><a href=\"#\" target=\"_blank\">Read Full Transcript</a>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=4.45\" target=\"_blank\"><u>00:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I’m going to say at the time I really didn’t want to meet her. My life was pretty torn up as it was, but the reason I said yes is I thought, what if this is the only chance I have? What if? What if this is it? There’s no more chances.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=24.8\" target=\"_blank\"><u>00:24</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=36.04\" target=\"_blank\"><u>00:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Stephanie. She called me from Charleston, South Carolina. Stephanie grew up in a very wealthy family and you’ll hear her talk about the family’s fortune, the pause before you pass judgement on how easy life must have been. Her story is filled with manipulative behavior, malicious intentions, and a foundation created from lies. But you’ll also hear Stephanie’s intelligence and tenacity to get through the tough times as she learned the truth about her adopted families, feelings towards her, the story of how she arrived in her aunt’s care and the tough road to connect with her sister. This is Stephanie’s journey. Stephanie was born in upstate South Carolina in her adopted family. She was the oldest child and all of her siblings, except for her half brother are adopted. Adoption was part of their lives with adoption children’s books around that were red from time to time, but it wasn’t an open topic of discussion. In fact, quite the opposite.</p><p>Stephanie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=108.41\" target=\"_blank\"><u>01:48</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My parents did not like talking about my adoption and it wasn’t that they ever told me you’re not allowed to ask any questions, but when I would start speaking about it, the only way I’ve known to describe it is it is like this thunderstorm suddenly came over my mother’s head and just the entire mood just changed. And I knew I was treading on thin ice. I was told the same kind of background stories as a kid. I was told by my aunt, my father’s sister, that um The way I came into the family is she had a friend who worked for social services and she went by one day to have lunch with her and there was this little child, this toddler sitting in a chair. And, um, she just said she thought I was so beautiful and her friends that I just have to finish up here before we go. I’m trying to find a home for this child, a temporary home. And um, my aunt said that she just immediately said, oh, well I’ll take her home with me. And that’s how I ended up with her.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=184.82\" target=\"_blank\"><u>03:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Were you, did you tell me, were you, where did you fall? You said you had several siblings, others who were adopted. Where did you fall in the order of children?</p><p>Stephanie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=195.67\" target=\"_blank\"><u>03:15</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was the oldest, but I was not the first to be adopted.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=199.63\" target=\"_blank\"><u>03:19</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh, interesting. Okay. So she had already adopted younger children than you?</p><p>Stephanie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=207.57\" target=\"_blank\"><u>03:27</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Uh, well, the way it happened, I’m not sure that she wouldn’t have adopted me. Um, had she not already been involved in my life, my mother had she not already been involved in my life. Um, before she got her to start drops. So they were trying to have children and my mother had two ectopic pregnancies that nearly killed her. And so they looked into adoption. And the way she always told it was the doctor asked about bonding with a child that wasn’t naturally hers and she said she laughed him off and said, I have no problem bonding with animals that aren’t even of my species. So that won’t be an issue. Yeah. Which as a kid I just took, like I just took it for what it was, you know, that’s my mom. But being an adult, thinking about that, it’s, it’s odd.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=261.96\" target=\"_blank\"><u>04:21</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Stephanie’s mother and father were both physicians well connect it in the hospital, maternity wards. And they had thought about adoption before.</p><p>Stephanie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=269.28\" target=\"_blank\"><u>04:29</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And My mother told me the reason they didn’t take any of those babies as they were drug babies.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=274.06\" target=\"_blank\"><u>04:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So Stephanie started to calculate in her mind her place with her mother. She figured out that her mother wasn’t just desperate for any baby because she told Stephanie flat out that she had rejected some children in need. So it made Stephanie feel like she was not on solid footing within the family. Later, Stephanie found out that her mother’s parents didn’t believe in adoption and that if a woman couldn’t have children, naturally that was God’s message, that you are not intended to have children. I assumed that meant her mother had gone against her parents’ religious beliefs. She said, that’s not the case at all.</p><p>Stephanie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephanie grew up in a very wealthy family in South Carolina and you’ll hear discuss the family’s fortune, but pause before you pass judgment on how easy life must have been.&nbsp;Her story is filled with manipulative behavior, malicious intentions, and a foundation created from lies. You’ll also hear Stephanie’s intelligence and tenacity to get her through the tough times as she learned the truth about her adopted family’s feelings towards her, the story of how she arrived in her aunt’s care, and the tough road to connect with her sister.</p><p><a href=\"#\" target=\"_blank\">Read Full Transcript</a>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=4.45\" target=\"_blank\"><u>00:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I’m going to say at the time I really didn’t want to meet her. My life was pretty torn up as it was, but the reason I said yes is I thought, what if this is the only chance I have? What if? What if this is it? There’s no more chances.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=24.8\" target=\"_blank\"><u>00:24</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=36.04\" target=\"_blank\"><u>00:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Stephanie. She called me from Charleston, South Carolina. Stephanie grew up in a very wealthy family and you’ll hear her talk about the family’s fortune, the pause before you pass judgement on how easy life must have been. Her story is filled with manipulative behavior, malicious intentions, and a foundation created from lies. But you’ll also hear Stephanie’s intelligence and tenacity to get through the tough times as she learned the truth about her adopted families, feelings towards her, the story of how she arrived in her aunt’s care and the tough road to connect with her sister. This is Stephanie’s journey. Stephanie was born in upstate South Carolina in her adopted family. She was the oldest child and all of her siblings, except for her half brother are adopted. Adoption was part of their lives with adoption children’s books around that were red from time to time, but it wasn’t an open topic of discussion. In fact, quite the opposite.</p><p>Stephanie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=108.41\" target=\"_blank\"><u>01:48</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My parents did not like talking about my adoption and it wasn’t that they ever told me you’re not allowed to ask any questions, but when I would start speaking about it, the only way I’ve known to describe it is it is like this thunderstorm suddenly came over my mother’s head and just the entire mood just changed. And I knew I was treading on thin ice. I was told the same kind of background stories as a kid. I was told by my aunt, my father’s sister, that um The way I came into the family is she had a friend who worked for social services and she went by one day to have lunch with her and there was this little child, this toddler sitting in a chair. And, um, she just said she thought I was so beautiful and her friends that I just have to finish up here before we go. I’m trying to find a home for this child, a temporary home. And um, my aunt said that she just immediately said, oh, well I’ll take her home with me. And that’s how I ended up with her.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=184.82\" target=\"_blank\"><u>03:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Were you, did you tell me, were you, where did you fall? You said you had several siblings, others who were adopted. Where did you fall in the order of children?</p><p>Stephanie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=195.67\" target=\"_blank\"><u>03:15</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was the oldest, but I was not the first to be adopted.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=199.63\" target=\"_blank\"><u>03:19</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh, interesting. Okay. So she had already adopted younger children than you?</p><p>Stephanie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=207.57\" target=\"_blank\"><u>03:27</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Uh, well, the way it happened, I’m not sure that she wouldn’t have adopted me. Um, had she not already been involved in my life, my mother had she not already been involved in my life. Um, before she got her to start drops. So they were trying to have children and my mother had two ectopic pregnancies that nearly killed her. And so they looked into adoption. And the way she always told it was the doctor asked about bonding with a child that wasn’t naturally hers and she said she laughed him off and said, I have no problem bonding with animals that aren’t even of my species. So that won’t be an issue. Yeah. Which as a kid I just took, like I just took it for what it was, you know, that’s my mom. But being an adult, thinking about that, it’s, it’s odd.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=261.96\" target=\"_blank\"><u>04:21</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Stephanie’s mother and father were both physicians well connect it in the hospital, maternity wards. And they had thought about adoption before.</p><p>Stephanie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=269.28\" target=\"_blank\"><u>04:29</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And My mother told me the reason they didn’t take any of those babies as they were drug babies.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=274.06\" target=\"_blank\"><u>04:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So Stephanie started to calculate in her mind her place with her mother. She figured out that her mother wasn’t just desperate for any baby because she told Stephanie flat out that she had rejected some children in need. So it made Stephanie feel like she was not on solid footing within the family. Later, Stephanie found out that her mother’s parents didn’t believe in adoption and that if a woman couldn’t have children, naturally that was God’s message, that you are not intended to have children. I assumed that meant her mother had gone against her parents’ religious beliefs. She said, that’s not the case at all.</p><p>Stephanie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=309.74\" target=\"_blank\"><u>05:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It wasn’t a religious thing. My family is very snooty. They’re very affluent, wealthy.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=315.95\" target=\"_blank\"><u>05:15</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;But I keyed in on something Stephanie said earlier that her mother would not have adopted her if Stephanie wasn’t already in her life and that Stephanie was living with her aunt. So you were saying that basically they didn’t adopt some of the other children because they were drug babies and she really would not have adopted. You had not already been in your life. You were living with your aunt. So what is your relationship to your mother then</p><p>Stephanie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=343.25\" target=\"_blank\"><u>05:43</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;We’re very estranged.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=344.96\" target=\"_blank\"><u>05:44</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What? But I mean, is there a direct relationship? Is…uh she, you are not her niece. You said you were living with your aunt, your aunt was a social worker and that’s it?</p><p>Stephanie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=354.09\" target=\"_blank\"><u>05:54</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;No. Um, my aunt on a social worker, she was in banking, but she, that’s the story she told me.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=361.69\" target=\"_blank\"><u>06:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;But that’s not true.</p><p>Stephanie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=363.41\" target=\"_blank\"><u>06:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;No, it’s not true.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=365.3\" target=\"_blank\"><u>06:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;They made it up.</p><p>Stephanie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=366.93\" target=\"_blank\"><u>06:06</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, they made it up.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=368.74\" target=\"_blank\"><u>06:08</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So what was life like then for you as a child? They feed you. It sounds like you were living under a cloud of deception that you didn’t even realize was there. Did you detect other things that sort of made you feel like your adoption was in any way fake or taboo or anything like that?</p><p>Stephanie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=387.18\" target=\"_blank\"><u>06:27</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I definitely did. I don’t necessarily have specific examples, but my mom even said when I finally knew more about it as a teenager and I was just like flabbergasted. Just completely appalled that I also knew that I had to be very reserved because I wasn’t, my feelings weren’t acceptable and so I was, I was trying to let her know just how, how upset and um unsure this made me feel when I finally learned more things and she just said, oh, come on Steph. You always knew you were always the one asking questions. You always knew there was something up and just shut down the conversation. That was the last time she talked about that.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=429.55\" target=\"_blank\"><u>07:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That was about 16 years ago when Stephanie was a teenager. I wondered how the adopted siblings dealt with their mother’s refusal to discuss adoption, but Stephanie says they never talked about it amongst one another, but one time her older brother was visiting and casually raised something that stuck with her.</p><p>Stephanie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=446.67\" target=\"_blank\"><u>07:26</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;He told me that if he were made, he would want to search for his birth mother.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=451.53\" target=\"_blank\"><u>07:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Stephanie said she used to ask her mother about adoption in front of her siblings intentionally to have backup on the topic by trying to surround herself with others who were also impacted by her parents answers.</p><p>Stephanie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qKtCvK9czFZwWlkF1-EV0Ckkilsjk-8T29u7ChFgdXkqjwBTHrMpaXcH-F_YelzCFL9xHPxe1uox4g8qT-hQsV9Hq8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=463.55\" target=\"_blank\"><u>07:43</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I do know that one time I asked the question and my sister was old enough to um, follow up. I know my mom didn’t like that, so my mom told me the usual story and then my sister pipes up, I think from the backseat. We were driving and asked her what she knows about her and she says, I know that your birth mother was 18 and your biological grandfather was some type of engineer and then a, that leads the way for my youngest sibling, my brother to ask something about him. And um, that’s when I found out that I always knew he was premature, but he asked what they knew and my mom said, well, we don’t really know much. She intended to keep you and you were born premature and she couldn’t afford the medical care. Even as a kid. Of course I didn’t say anything, but even as a kid I just remember my heart clenched. And uh, I didn’t know we were wealthy. My parents were very, um, they didn’t talk about money and it took awhile. I was pretty naive. It took a while for me to realize that you were a well off. I just thought, well, everybody has three homes and that kind of thing. But I knew that we were well off enough that we could help someone like that. And so I remember my heart clenching and I thought that’s just how sad, like I wonder why they couldn’t...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/061-i-know-they-may-not-love-me]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2084</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2021 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/280b494a-96c5-407d-9295-2d1b81e94290/061-i-know-they-may-not-love-mefinal.mp3" length="56838608" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>59:12</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>61</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>61</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Stephanie grew up in a very wealthy family in South Carolina and you’ll hear discuss the family’s fortune, but pause before you pass judgment on how easy life must have been. Her story is filled with manipulative behavior, malicious intentions, and a foundation created from lies. You’ll also hear Stephanie’s intelligence and tenacity to get her…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>Goodbye 2020</title><itunes:title>Goodbye 2020</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Listen, I can’t even pretend it was easy to podcast during what has been an absolutely crazy year.&nbsp;Before I sign off season 7 I need to cover a few things.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><ul><li>I’m grateful to be able to say thank you to some wonder folks who’ve committed to supporting the Who Am I Really podcast this year.</li><li>I have to say I’ve been inspired to hear from some of you who are thinking of launching podcasts of your own.&nbsp;</li><li>If it’s in your heart to support The Gift of Adoption Fund please visit&nbsp;<a href="http://giftofadoption.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">giftofadoption.org</a></li></ul><br/><p>I gotta say I’m excited for season 8 of the Who Am I Really podcast, but it's time for a break.&nbsp;I’ll see you in 2021.&nbsp;Stay safe, and spread some love…&nbsp;</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen, I can’t even pretend it was easy to podcast during what has been an absolutely crazy year.&nbsp;Before I sign off season 7 I need to cover a few things.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><ul><li>I’m grateful to be able to say thank you to some wonder folks who’ve committed to supporting the Who Am I Really podcast this year.</li><li>I have to say I’ve been inspired to hear from some of you who are thinking of launching podcasts of your own.&nbsp;</li><li>If it’s in your heart to support The Gift of Adoption Fund please visit&nbsp;<a href="http://giftofadoption.org/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">giftofadoption.org</a></li></ul><br/><p>I gotta say I’m excited for season 8 of the Who Am I Really podcast, but it's time for a break.&nbsp;I’ll see you in 2021.&nbsp;Stay safe, and spread some love…&nbsp;</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/goodbye-2020]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">db2445bc-b056-469a-b379-130a5e6b29fe</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2020 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/0bdd0ee1-e2e3-4b6c-ae5a-ff6ba84eadf9/goodbye-2020-final.mp3" length="10192279" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>07:05</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>7</itunes:season><podcast:season>7</podcast:season></item><item><title>133 - Bet She Was Praying For You</title><itunes:title>133 - Bet She Was Praying For You</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p><span>In this episode Cheryl, the mother and our adoptee, is joined by her natural daughter Diahan from Washington state and South Florida respectively.</span></p><p><span>Cheryl had an idyllic life&nbsp;growing up an athletic tomboy outside of Seattle.&nbsp;</span></p><p><span>When her daughters started having children she got concerned about the missing medical&nbsp;information&nbsp;she was unable to transfer down the family tree.&nbsp;</span></p><p><span>Fortunately&nbsp;there was no one better suited to usher Cheryl through her genealogy journey than Diahan, an early professional in the industry.&nbsp;</span></p><p><span>In reunion Cheryl has found welcoming siblings and a gigantic family&nbsp;that filled a hole she didn’t know was there.&nbsp;</span></p><p><span>This is Cheryl’s journey.</span></p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>In this episode Cheryl, the mother and our adoptee, is joined by her natural daughter Diahan from Washington state and South Florida respectively.</span></p><p><span>Cheryl had an idyllic life&nbsp;growing up an athletic tomboy outside of Seattle.&nbsp;</span></p><p><span>When her daughters started having children she got concerned about the missing medical&nbsp;information&nbsp;she was unable to transfer down the family tree.&nbsp;</span></p><p><span>Fortunately&nbsp;there was no one better suited to usher Cheryl through her genealogy journey than Diahan, an early professional in the industry.&nbsp;</span></p><p><span>In reunion Cheryl has found welcoming siblings and a gigantic family&nbsp;that filled a hole she didn’t know was there.&nbsp;</span></p><p><span>This is Cheryl’s journey.</span></p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/133-bet-she-was-praying-for-you]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">fc384936-72b9-4470-9c02-02f56a96387c</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2020 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/1a0cdf95-daaf-4229-a054-d9acbfff7dd8/133-bet-she-was-praying-for-you-final.mp3" length="67221800" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>46:41</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>7</itunes:season><itunes:episode>133</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>133</podcast:episode><podcast:season>7</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/b272ff6f-83d0-481e-9c05-137f623ccee2/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>132 – Nearly Dying Is One Of The Best Things That Ever Happened</title><itunes:title>Nearly Dying Is One Of The Best Things That Ever Happened</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Adrian, who lives in the San Francisco Bay Area, has lived around the country and in different parts of the world, only to find himself right back in the town where everything started for him.&nbsp;An avid mountain biker, he nearly lost it&nbsp;all when&nbsp;the widow maker tried to tear him down.&nbsp;Adrian fought through recovery, vowed to love his family like he never had before, and follow the advice of the voice in his ear telling him to find his birth family.&nbsp;This is Adrian’s journey.&nbsp;</p><p>Adrian is the host of the "Profound Awesomeness" podcast, "hear how survivors of close brushes with death and other traumas go from near calamity to living intently, meaningfully and with an elevated sense of wisdom and purpose."</p><p>https://profoundawesomeness.com/episodes</p><p>iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/profound-awesomeness/id1568956808</p><p>Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/42UDRxSUrSbePpty4746oi</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian, who lives in the San Francisco Bay Area, has lived around the country and in different parts of the world, only to find himself right back in the town where everything started for him.&nbsp;An avid mountain biker, he nearly lost it&nbsp;all when&nbsp;the widow maker tried to tear him down.&nbsp;Adrian fought through recovery, vowed to love his family like he never had before, and follow the advice of the voice in his ear telling him to find his birth family.&nbsp;This is Adrian’s journey.&nbsp;</p><p>Adrian is the host of the "Profound Awesomeness" podcast, "hear how survivors of close brushes with death and other traumas go from near calamity to living intently, meaningfully and with an elevated sense of wisdom and purpose."</p><p>https://profoundawesomeness.com/episodes</p><p>iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/profound-awesomeness/id1568956808</p><p>Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/42UDRxSUrSbePpty4746oi</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/nearly-dying-is-one-of-the-best-things-that-ever-happened]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">6b80c815-eaa7-488a-9954-43c750a6164c</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/3fba58be-e744-4802-8c6c-1b0dd6b2b9b2/EeflkQrTAFZW4crc2j1ZWhnL.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2020 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/01818ff3-d39e-4e00-9e49-5a61a95e4795/132-nearly-dying-is-one-of-the-best-things-that-ever-happened-final.mp3" length="107153441" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:14:25</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>7</itunes:season><itunes:episode>132</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>132</podcast:episode><podcast:season>7</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/83c92bf9-02e3-42f4-b3f9-6e0faedbc57d/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>131 – I’m More Confused Now, I’m Broken</title><itunes:title>131 - I&apos;m More Confused Now, I&apos;m Broken</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Elissa, from Hilton Head, South Carolina, said never bonded with her adopted mother. She did find a second home with her&nbsp;horseback riding coach and the horses she adored.&nbsp;</p><p>Finding her biological mother gave Elissa a glimmer of hope that the woman stokes and extinguishes in a torturous cycle.&nbsp;</p><p>Speaking with her birth father only once, she confirmed the story of his own paternity, but Elissa never heard from him again.&nbsp;</p><p>Relying on her husband, the first&nbsp;person she’s shared real love with, Elissa wishes reunion didn’t leave her so confused and feeling broken.</p><p>This is Elissa’s journey.&nbsp;</p><p>Elissa (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.8" target="_blank">00:03</a>):</p><p>I am that 37 year old woman now who is dying to be hugged and held by their mother. Like, I need that moment in my life. I feel that I deserve it and I feel unbeknownst to her. She deserves it too. Beause I know that she's carrying this huge darkness over her, that she has the chance to make. Right?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=31.04" target="_blank">00:31</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis. And today you're going to hear from Elissa in Hilton head, South Carolina, Elissa never bonded with her adopted mother, but she did find a second home with her horseback riding coach and the horses she adored. Finding her biological mother gave Elissa a glimmer of hope that the woman Stokes and extinguishes in a torturous cycle, speaking with her birth father only once she confirmed the story of his own paternity, but Elissa never heard from him again, relying on her husband, the first person she shared real love with Elissa wishes reunion. Didn't leave her so confused and feeling broken. This is Elissa's journey. Elissa was born in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania then adopted out of the children's home orphanage in Pittsburgh.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=102.92" target="_blank">01:42</a>):</p><p>Every summer. Her parents took her to the children's home summer picnic, where she kind of questioned why they were there. Elissa learned she was adopted at about four or five years old, but she really didn't grasp what adoption meant until she was around six. She said her adoptive parents weren't very communicative about her adoption or her birthday. So she's always questioned both. Most importantly, she didn't look like them and never really felt like she fit in with her physical appearance, nor did she feel that internal synchronization, that many biological families feel for one another. Elissa never really bonded with her adopted mother and her adopted father was often working.</p><p>Elissa (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=147.53" target="_blank">02:27</a>):</p><p>I found out that I'm 72% Italian and my father, my adopted father is also Italian. I do have some similarities with him, but I have very dark olive skin, Brown eyes, Brown hair. I look Italian. My father is kind of short. He kind of has hazel eyes, you know, salt and pepper hair is, all I've ever known him to have. My mom, um, came from a Jewish family. She also was adopted and she had blue eyes, fair skin and blonde hair. So physically I didn't look like them. And none of my behavioralism in me mimiced any of them. It's like everything they tried to make me to be. It just didn't feel natural and almost kind of felt like a put on, like I can't explain it.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=193.77" target="_blank">03:13</a>):</p><p>Tell me, so what kinds of things did they try to introduce you to that? Just didn't stick,</p><p>Elissa (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=201.15" target="_blank">03:21</a>):</p><p>Uh, you know, the old, like tap ballet, um, sports. The only thing that stuck I stuck with was horseback riding. And I think that was because unknowing at the time it allowed me to bond with something. It allowed me to have my own personal relationship with someone or something that I had, you know, the stay and, you know, I always felt like I never knew where I came from. So it was like, it was my first identity. Basically. I was able to have my own first relationship with myself, through my relationship with my horses. And I became very close with my horseback riding teacher. I lived with her, um, up until I was 13 when we moved down here. So I would say up until from 10 years old to 13, I lived with her.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=249.21" target="_blank">04:09</a>):</p><p>Elissa started things off by telling me that nearly everything she's revealing. She learned only a year ago and as an adult of 35 years old, but check out the timeline of what she just said. She was told she was adopted when she was about five years old and roughly five years later, she went to live with her horseback riding coach. But before we get to that, Elissa described life at home.</p><p>Elissa (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=274.95" target="_blank">04:34</a>):</p><p>Living with my mom was not your, not any girl's dream. You know, we never had the bond, never did hair makeup. You know, she never talked to me about life. If you know what I mean? Um, she always had someone taking me to school or no, someone tutoring me. She's a stay at home mom. Um, as an adult, now that we're able to talk about this, we were very disattached from each other. I was kind of rejecting her. She was rejecting me. Um, like I said, I loved her, but I didn't love her. I can't separate those two words. It's more of a feeling. I knew that I had to love her. She adopted me. I was, you know, thankful, grateful for all of that, but it just wasn't your mother's touch. I can't say it any other way.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=327.74" target="_blank">05:27</a>):</p><p>Oh, what you've said makes absolute sense that you weren't connected and bonded and it sounds like she inserted a lot of people to fill in spaces that you needed. Right. Where she in I'm in. I'm trying to be careful with my words, because you've also admitted that you were possibly rejecting her too. Therefore I don't want it to make it seem like she was just putting up a shield to say, here, deal with these people. Right. If you were pushing her away when it to schoolwork, then of Course she would get a tutor. And if you're pushing her away in this place, then of course she would try to find someone else to like help you through this thing. So I don't want to sort of vilify her unnecessarily, but that's really interesting. Yeah.</p><p>Elissa (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=373.18" target="_blank">06:13</a>):</p><p>I agree with you. It's like me being my own mother. I have a daughter and I'm a mother, I believe in mental health. My parents in that generation didn't believe in mental health. They figured cause they were doing everything right as parents that I would come out right as a kid, but little did they know how much of that was not their fault? Um, I'm going through a lot of, you know, mental health issues right now with no separation, disattachment, you know, personality disorder, all of that, because it was never resolved as a kid. It was never spoken about it was never handled. It was always, you know, they were financially there for me a hundred percent, but they weren't the best that given that unconditional love. And I think it was a 50, 50, like you just said, I wasn't all, you know, warm and fuzzy either.</p><p>Elissa (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=423.25" target="_blank">07:03</a>):</p><p>And it wasn't an intentional thing. It just, it did not feel natural. It felt almost forced at times coming from my mom, my dad and I had a different relationship.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=436.36" target="_blank">07:16</a>):</p><p>And what was that like?</p><p>Elissa (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=436.36" target="_blank">07:16</a>):</p><p>Um much better. However, he was never home when he was home, I was in the garden, the pool, we were skiing. We were plowing the driveway. You know, I was his little son that he never had. You know, he spent time with me where my mom really never...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elissa, from Hilton Head, South Carolina, said never bonded with her adopted mother. She did find a second home with her&nbsp;horseback riding coach and the horses she adored.&nbsp;</p><p>Finding her biological mother gave Elissa a glimmer of hope that the woman stokes and extinguishes in a torturous cycle.&nbsp;</p><p>Speaking with her birth father only once, she confirmed the story of his own paternity, but Elissa never heard from him again.&nbsp;</p><p>Relying on her husband, the first&nbsp;person she’s shared real love with, Elissa wishes reunion didn’t leave her so confused and feeling broken.</p><p>This is Elissa’s journey.&nbsp;</p><p>Elissa (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.8" target="_blank">00:03</a>):</p><p>I am that 37 year old woman now who is dying to be hugged and held by their mother. Like, I need that moment in my life. I feel that I deserve it and I feel unbeknownst to her. She deserves it too. Beause I know that she's carrying this huge darkness over her, that she has the chance to make. Right?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=31.04" target="_blank">00:31</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis. And today you're going to hear from Elissa in Hilton head, South Carolina, Elissa never bonded with her adopted mother, but she did find a second home with her horseback riding coach and the horses she adored. Finding her biological mother gave Elissa a glimmer of hope that the woman Stokes and extinguishes in a torturous cycle, speaking with her birth father only once she confirmed the story of his own paternity, but Elissa never heard from him again, relying on her husband, the first person she shared real love with Elissa wishes reunion. Didn't leave her so confused and feeling broken. This is Elissa's journey. Elissa was born in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania then adopted out of the children's home orphanage in Pittsburgh.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=102.92" target="_blank">01:42</a>):</p><p>Every summer. Her parents took her to the children's home summer picnic, where she kind of questioned why they were there. Elissa learned she was adopted at about four or five years old, but she really didn't grasp what adoption meant until she was around six. She said her adoptive parents weren't very communicative about her adoption or her birthday. So she's always questioned both. Most importantly, she didn't look like them and never really felt like she fit in with her physical appearance, nor did she feel that internal synchronization, that many biological families feel for one another. Elissa never really bonded with her adopted mother and her adopted father was often working.</p><p>Elissa (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=147.53" target="_blank">02:27</a>):</p><p>I found out that I'm 72% Italian and my father, my adopted father is also Italian. I do have some similarities with him, but I have very dark olive skin, Brown eyes, Brown hair. I look Italian. My father is kind of short. He kind of has hazel eyes, you know, salt and pepper hair is, all I've ever known him to have. My mom, um, came from a Jewish family. She also was adopted and she had blue eyes, fair skin and blonde hair. So physically I didn't look like them. And none of my behavioralism in me mimiced any of them. It's like everything they tried to make me to be. It just didn't feel natural and almost kind of felt like a put on, like I can't explain it.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=193.77" target="_blank">03:13</a>):</p><p>Tell me, so what kinds of things did they try to introduce you to that? Just didn't stick,</p><p>Elissa (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=201.15" target="_blank">03:21</a>):</p><p>Uh, you know, the old, like tap ballet, um, sports. The only thing that stuck I stuck with was horseback riding. And I think that was because unknowing at the time it allowed me to bond with something. It allowed me to have my own personal relationship with someone or something that I had, you know, the stay and, you know, I always felt like I never knew where I came from. So it was like, it was my first identity. Basically. I was able to have my own first relationship with myself, through my relationship with my horses. And I became very close with my horseback riding teacher. I lived with her, um, up until I was 13 when we moved down here. So I would say up until from 10 years old to 13, I lived with her.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=249.21" target="_blank">04:09</a>):</p><p>Elissa started things off by telling me that nearly everything she's revealing. She learned only a year ago and as an adult of 35 years old, but check out the timeline of what she just said. She was told she was adopted when she was about five years old and roughly five years later, she went to live with her horseback riding coach. But before we get to that, Elissa described life at home.</p><p>Elissa (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=274.95" target="_blank">04:34</a>):</p><p>Living with my mom was not your, not any girl's dream. You know, we never had the bond, never did hair makeup. You know, she never talked to me about life. If you know what I mean? Um, she always had someone taking me to school or no, someone tutoring me. She's a stay at home mom. Um, as an adult, now that we're able to talk about this, we were very disattached from each other. I was kind of rejecting her. She was rejecting me. Um, like I said, I loved her, but I didn't love her. I can't separate those two words. It's more of a feeling. I knew that I had to love her. She adopted me. I was, you know, thankful, grateful for all of that, but it just wasn't your mother's touch. I can't say it any other way.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=327.74" target="_blank">05:27</a>):</p><p>Oh, what you've said makes absolute sense that you weren't connected and bonded and it sounds like she inserted a lot of people to fill in spaces that you needed. Right. Where she in I'm in. I'm trying to be careful with my words, because you've also admitted that you were possibly rejecting her too. Therefore I don't want it to make it seem like she was just putting up a shield to say, here, deal with these people. Right. If you were pushing her away when it to schoolwork, then of Course she would get a tutor. And if you're pushing her away in this place, then of course she would try to find someone else to like help you through this thing. So I don't want to sort of vilify her unnecessarily, but that's really interesting. Yeah.</p><p>Elissa (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=373.18" target="_blank">06:13</a>):</p><p>I agree with you. It's like me being my own mother. I have a daughter and I'm a mother, I believe in mental health. My parents in that generation didn't believe in mental health. They figured cause they were doing everything right as parents that I would come out right as a kid, but little did they know how much of that was not their fault? Um, I'm going through a lot of, you know, mental health issues right now with no separation, disattachment, you know, personality disorder, all of that, because it was never resolved as a kid. It was never spoken about it was never handled. It was always, you know, they were financially there for me a hundred percent, but they weren't the best that given that unconditional love. And I think it was a 50, 50, like you just said, I wasn't all, you know, warm and fuzzy either.</p><p>Elissa (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=423.25" target="_blank">07:03</a>):</p><p>And it wasn't an intentional thing. It just, it did not feel natural. It felt almost forced at times coming from my mom, my dad and I had a different relationship.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=436.36" target="_blank">07:16</a>):</p><p>And what was that like?</p><p>Elissa (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=436.36" target="_blank">07:16</a>):</p><p>Um much better. However, he was never home when he was home, I was in the garden, the pool, we were skiing. We were plowing the driveway. You know, I was his little son that he never had. You know, he spent time with me where my mom really never did and she wouldn't really never admit to it, but you know, she was always present. But the one-on-one, you know, I was the only child too. So you would have thought mother daughter relationship would have been a little different, you know, in the perfect, you know, American, traditional family,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=469.78" target="_blank">07:49</a>):</p><p>Right. Or at least just a little more precious in a female to female bond, perhaps something. Hmm. Hmm. So you found out around, you said four or five or five or six or something</p><p>Elissa (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=485.05" target="_blank">08:05</a>):</p><p>Between four and six. I found out when I was four, but understood it more when I was six</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=488.62" target="_blank">08:08</a>):</p><p>Okay. And what did you understand when you were six? You feel,</p><p>Elissa (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=494.5" target="_blank">08:14</a>):</p><p>I understood that I was, you know, lucky to be here. I understood that I was lucky to be, you know, given this chance to live this life with this new family, but what I didn't understand with why, like, if any adopted, could have ever been told the truth, once they understood why it was done, I think it would resolve some problems from that point on and to, you know, later life. But the unknown is like the most torturous thing ever. The not knowing was it no aside black market baby, was it, you know, against her? Will, was it good, bad, ugly, or indifferent? That right there bothered me my whole life. Just not knowing</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=536.1" target="_blank">08:56</a>):</p><p>Earlier Elissa told me that she had taken horseback riding as a kid and that she went to live with her horseback riding teacher. I asked her if she remembered much about the transition to living with her coach, she said she recalls more of the story now because she reconnected with her riding coach two years ago when her journey to find her answers first started</p><p>Elissa (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=556.13" target="_blank">09:16</a>):</p><p>When I left Pittsburgh at the age of 13 and moved down here, I hadn't been back there. It was too hard for me to go back there. Um, and she basically told me the reason she kind of, it happened over a period of time, me staying there, you know, I would say over a couple of nights and then a week and then every other week. Uh, but it was more or less because she was tired of taking me home to an empty house. My dad was working and my mom wasn't there and I'm the only child. And shouldn't be that way. I didn't know at the time, that's why I was there. I thought it was just cool because I got to live with this lady that gave me all the attention in the world and I was right there in the backyard with all the horses. So that was really cool to me. So it didn't, I didn't put the two and two together until two years ago when she told me why she kind of did it.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=604.28" target="_blank">10:04</a>):</p><p>Wow. That's incredible of her. Her what's her name?</p><p>Elissa (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=608.84" target="_blank">10:08</a>):</p><p>Yeah, a Fran</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=610.31" target="_blank">10:10</a>):</p><p>Fran. Wow. What a huge heart did she tell ? What's your sense of where was your mom if she wasn't home?</p><p>Elissa (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=620.6" target="_blank">10:20</a>):</p><p>I don't know. I mean, I have no idea. Um, cause every time I always saw her, she was at home. She could have been golfing. She also had a problem with drinking, um, that she would never admit to. And I don't really want to make this about her drinking, but that right there in itself was the reason I blamed at this functionalism in our relationship. She wouldn't admit to it that way because of course she would see it a different side. Um, but I'm more emotional than she is to begin with. She kind of has a flat effect. Mine is, you know, I'm nurse Betty I'm. I have a big heart just because of what I wasn't given. So I tried to make up for it that way.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=661.88" target="_blank">11:01</a>):</p><p>So at 10 years old Fran with the big heart sees that Elissa is going home from horseback riding to be alone. So she started offering for Elissa to stay the night. Then one night became two nights a week and it just became easier to stay at Fran's house. Her house became Elissa's home. When did you realize, like I'm Staying I'm staying here, like I'm not going home. How did that go?</p><p>Elissa (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=691.58" target="_blank">11:31</a>):</p><p>Um, it didn't ever hit me like that. It just gradually became the thing. Of course, you know, I would go home and stay periods of time, but I would call my permanent residence with Fran because, um, I was also going to horse shows and she would take me and this conversation that we had two years ago, she told me that there was a group of me and three other girls that all their parents would be there. And my parents wouldn't. So she would have to be, you know, on the sideline, not as much, not only as my trainer, but as my mom. And they would seldomly come when they did it's like they would come for like a short period of time and then leave.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=732.54" target="_blank">12:12</a>):</p><p>Huh? That is fascinating. Yeah. Do you remember being in the show CNM and then seeing them go?</p><p>Elissa (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=740.4" target="_blank">12:20</a>):</p><p>Yeah, and it, it really didn't bother me. I was kind of, I was happier with them from afar. You know, they, they loved better from far. I, they were older, they weren't younger parents. So, you know, when I was in my, what, 10 years old, they were probably in their forties. Whereas my friend's parents were in their early thirties, you know? So their generation was much different. And you know, I grew up much different than any of my friends than my parents lived a very like formal life, very routine. And my friends, families had like multiple siblings all over the place. Like mine was regimented, you know, it was just too programmed, almost like they didn't know how to just go with the flow and parent that way they had to, I don't know, stage or something</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=794.01" target="_blank">13:14</a>):</p><p>At 13 years old, Elissa's dad retired from the plastics company. He co owned out of nowhere. Elissa's parents moved her down to South Carolina with them and that's where her rebellion began. She said her mental health changed, but her parents didn't seem to notice. Elissa hated moving to South Carolina. At that time, she had to leave her surrogate, parent Fran and her friends, the wonderful horses behind she was in between seventh and eighth grade. A horrible time for transition for a child, especially a shy, quiet child, like Elissa, who never did well with change. Her parents were off playing golf and Elissa was left to cope with it all by herself.</p><p>Elissa (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=837.72" target="_blank">13:57</a>):</p><p>They never really took the time to see, you know, how I was doing. They didn't look at the Cardinal signs with my behavior, changing, getting in trouble. You know, I'm not a bad kid. You, you don't just wake up one day and choose to be that certain circumstances drive you to do unnatural things, uncommon things maybe for help, maybe for attention. But I didn't get that. I just got, you know, let's close our eyes to this.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m06Z3uf9j3E6kepKRwj2aLzMNVXJd9V9wZOhx_QXjuWT9GYiijlbQJusddgjFhBFivfAYPJP5Y2qLgVwrEs87fsWwMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=864.87"...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/131-im-more-confused-now-im-broken]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">64671610-d749-4820-9684-c98411a8001d</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2020 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/405eee7e-3c9d-478b-944b-a7cfcb9ddcf0/131-im-more-confused-now-im-broken-final.mp3" length="79858384" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>55:27</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>7</itunes:season><itunes:episode>131</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>131</podcast:episode><podcast:season>7</podcast:season></item><item><title>130 – The Gift Best Given</title><itunes:title>130 - The Gift Best Given</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Ed called me from Hillsborough, North Carolina, but his journey begins in New York City. He describes a wonderful life in the suburbs of the city with no&nbsp;real concerns for his adoption&nbsp;— even after carrying his original birth certificate around as a teenager.&nbsp;Sparked by reunion television shows Ed searched for his natural parents discovering that his mother had been a star performer.&nbsp;Thanks to the generosity of strangers Ed gratefully received gratefully the Gift Best Given. This is Ed’s journey.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed called me from Hillsborough, North Carolina, but his journey begins in New York City. He describes a wonderful life in the suburbs of the city with no&nbsp;real concerns for his adoption&nbsp;— even after carrying his original birth certificate around as a teenager.&nbsp;Sparked by reunion television shows Ed searched for his natural parents discovering that his mother had been a star performer.&nbsp;Thanks to the generosity of strangers Ed gratefully received gratefully the Gift Best Given. This is Ed’s journey.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/130-the-gift-best-given]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">af620864-e2c4-40c2-9a78-ac64630fa34f</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/36859161-efec-4775-a6d9-79cf483e03a2/SE-mp-_CMdylcD42lcMW5yc4.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2020 05:45:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/2961cf55-90fa-45fb-886e-5d5451b90428/130-the-gift-best-given-final.mp3" length="60741126" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>42:11</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>7</itunes:season><itunes:episode>130</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>130</podcast:episode><podcast:season>7</podcast:season></item><item><title>128 – A Peace Came Over Me</title><itunes:title>128 - A Peace Came Over Me</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Val called me from outside of Houston, Texas, but her story started in in Kansas.&nbsp;She had a great childhood with her parents until a neighbor revealed her adoption to her, rocking her world, sending her into rebellious phase in life.&nbsp;When Val searched for her biological father, because his name wouldn’t have changed over the years, she found her natural parents were together.&nbsp;He was frosty to her and they barely spoke&nbsp;because&nbsp;he probably believed she wasn’t his. He went to his grave not knowing the truth. This is Val’s journey&nbsp;</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Val called me from outside of Houston, Texas, but her story started in in Kansas.&nbsp;She had a great childhood with her parents until a neighbor revealed her adoption to her, rocking her world, sending her into rebellious phase in life.&nbsp;When Val searched for her biological father, because his name wouldn’t have changed over the years, she found her natural parents were together.&nbsp;He was frosty to her and they barely spoke&nbsp;because&nbsp;he probably believed she wasn’t his. He went to his grave not knowing the truth. This is Val’s journey&nbsp;</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/128-a-peace-came-over-me]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">4d83085a-2012-4a75-8d4b-57a5a54a28bb</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2020 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/f0b65b0a-49ed-4de7-bcbf-ae6586df4ca4/128-a-peace-came-over-me-final.mp3" length="61917891" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>43:00</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>7</itunes:season><itunes:episode>128</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>128</podcast:episode><podcast:season>7</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/8984a4a8-b2b7-4f61-8329-080b8bafe03e/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>046 – I Am Adopted, It Is Who I Am</title><itunes:title>046 – I Am Adopted, It Is Who I Am</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer&nbsp;is a reunited adoptee from Pittsburgh. She’s a petite, white blonde of European descent whose adoptive parents are a Spanish man and a Mexican woman. Through her search, she found both of her natural parents are deceased, and she had half brothers on&nbsp;both sides, both named Tom. Unbeknownst to Jen, her maternal half-brother attended the same high school she did and bullied her! On her maternal side, she experienced secondary rejection&nbsp;which will never be resolved because her grandmother developed dementia and passed away.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/046-i-am-adopted-it-is-who-i-am/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">046 – I Am Adopted, It Is Who I Am</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=4.31" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:04</a>):</p><p>She literally told me, she goes, you know, you focus too much on being adopted and you ask too many questions and I'm like, but I get them adopted. It is who I am. I had no information about myself for 30 years. And you think I'm not going to ask questions.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=25.26" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:25</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Jennifer. She called me from Wellsburg West Virginia, where she's a caregiver for the elderly. Jennifer is transracially adopted, but I have to admit not in the way I usually think of that kind of adoption. She stood out in her family and her family stood out in their community. Jen shared that she was completely close to looking for her birth relatives until she got some stark examples of the importance of knowing your family's medical history. When she found her birth family, one of her gut feelings about her birth mother during her search was confirmed, but she also learned a crazy cruel irony about her high school past. In the end, Jen experienced a secondary rejection from her birth family. After she made a mistake at a huge family function. As you listen, decide for yourself, what you think the factors were in that rejection was that misstep as major as her family made it seem or where the history of guilt about hiding the truth or even the early onset of mental illness also factors. This is Jen's journey.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=112.76" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:52</a>):</p><p>Jennifer's adopted father's relatives are from Spain and he grew up in Pittsburgh. He got a PhD in chemistry, then took a job with a pharmaceutical company working for a while in Mexico city. Her adopted mom was her father's secretary there. They fell in love and her mother got pregnant immediately giving birth to Jen's older sister. Then her father took a job back in Pittsburgh. So he moved his young family back to Pennsylvania. Jennifer's mother wanted a big family, but after several miscarriages and her husband's health problems, they were starting to settle into the notion that it would just be the three of them,</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=149.32" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:29</a>):</p><p>Our neighbor, who was a nurse. She, I don't know the connection here, exact details. And she has since passed away. So I can't ask her, but she somehow knew the doctor who delivered me, who was my birth mother's doctor. He worked at Allegheny general hospital in Pittsburgh, and his name was dr. Bell. And he was known for, and I'll say in the air quotes, helping girls in trouble. So she had mentioned this, my parents, you know, that there's these babies up for adoption eventually. And would you be interested in my parents thought about it.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=184.14" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:04</a>):</p><p>Jennifer's parents didn't hear anything back for a while. Then they received a phone call. They were informed that there were a couple of different babies available for adoption and her parents should go have a look. Jennifer told me the viewing of babies, like their puppies has always been a sore spot with her. When her parents arrived, the recently born babies had families already. So they went home.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=207.03" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:27</a>):</p><p>I only know this story because I heard my mom tell it so often. My mom says her and my dad were in the dining room painting. She was up on a ladder and the phone rings and she heard my dad, all of a sudden, he goes, well, you better tell her my mom and our neighbor, who was the nurse, said there was a baby girl born this morning and she's yours if you want her. And my mom said immediately, yes. And her hands were shaking. And they went and dropped everything and went to the hospital and she was able to hold me that first day.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=240.46" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:00</a>):</p><p>Her mom dressed her at the hospital that very first day, but Jennifer had to stay in the hospital for a week among other issues. Her mother tried to hide her pregnancy, but her methods caused problems for Jennifer's development in her womb</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=255.19" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:15</a>):</p><p>because she, she worked hurdle while she was pregnant. My right foot was bent in such a way that my shoulders were touching my shin. So they had to do X rays and put a cast on my foot, that kind of stuff to correct it. So, yeah, my parents brought me home a week later and my sister, their biological daughter is nine years older than me. And you know, so it was like all of a sudden they had to prepare for a baby. As far as I know, everybody in the neighborhood knew I was adopted and I am of European descent. I am born, as pale as you get. Obviously I'm not Latino. He was Spanish. And he had black hair and dark skin and Brown eyes. And my mom had Brown hair and Brown eyes.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=302.88" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:02</a>):</p><p>Jen says that there was such an age gap with her and her sister that there was no sibling rivalry. They just weren't the same age to be in contention with one another. When Jen was starting school, her mother pulled her aside to have a conversation about adoption.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=317.39" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:17</a>):</p><p>So when I started kindergarten, um, I think my mom was worried that I didn't know I was adopted, even though it was never a secret. So she kind of, um, like had to, I guess in her way, she was like, reminding me, you know, I have a very vivid memory of this. I was about six years old, five or six. She was like, well, honey, you know that, you know, you're adopted. And then I must have asked her, what does that mean? And she said, well, I'm not your real mom. You know, your mom couldn't keep you. And the only information we had all my life was that they were teenagers from the North Hills of Pittsburgh. That's, that's all we knew. I had a tantrum like, and I wasn't one of those kids that would do that, but I can remember kicking and screaming and saying, where's my mom. Why didn't she want me? I want my real mom and all this. And I can't even imagine how painful that must have been for my adoptive mom, you know, to see me going through that. But I did. And it was hard. It was a really emotional time.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=387.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:27</a>):</p><p>Bet. I mean, it's, uh, it's great that she told you it's in, you did grow up with the knowledge, but you know, that's a volatile time there where a child is starting school. They're already sort of going to be in a place of comparing themselves to other children. And then they get this huge piece of news dropped on them. Jen's mom was afraid. One of the children in her school was going to spring. The news that she was adopted on her, Jen says her neighborhood was an upper class white collar enclave. So their family was the minority because there were nearly no families of color. And her adoption was well...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer&nbsp;is a reunited adoptee from Pittsburgh. She’s a petite, white blonde of European descent whose adoptive parents are a Spanish man and a Mexican woman. Through her search, she found both of her natural parents are deceased, and she had half brothers on&nbsp;both sides, both named Tom. Unbeknownst to Jen, her maternal half-brother attended the same high school she did and bullied her! On her maternal side, she experienced secondary rejection&nbsp;which will never be resolved because her grandmother developed dementia and passed away.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/046-i-am-adopted-it-is-who-i-am/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">046 – I Am Adopted, It Is Who I Am</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=4.31" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:04</a>):</p><p>She literally told me, she goes, you know, you focus too much on being adopted and you ask too many questions and I'm like, but I get them adopted. It is who I am. I had no information about myself for 30 years. And you think I'm not going to ask questions.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=25.26" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:25</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Jennifer. She called me from Wellsburg West Virginia, where she's a caregiver for the elderly. Jennifer is transracially adopted, but I have to admit not in the way I usually think of that kind of adoption. She stood out in her family and her family stood out in their community. Jen shared that she was completely close to looking for her birth relatives until she got some stark examples of the importance of knowing your family's medical history. When she found her birth family, one of her gut feelings about her birth mother during her search was confirmed, but she also learned a crazy cruel irony about her high school past. In the end, Jen experienced a secondary rejection from her birth family. After she made a mistake at a huge family function. As you listen, decide for yourself, what you think the factors were in that rejection was that misstep as major as her family made it seem or where the history of guilt about hiding the truth or even the early onset of mental illness also factors. This is Jen's journey.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=112.76" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:52</a>):</p><p>Jennifer's adopted father's relatives are from Spain and he grew up in Pittsburgh. He got a PhD in chemistry, then took a job with a pharmaceutical company working for a while in Mexico city. Her adopted mom was her father's secretary there. They fell in love and her mother got pregnant immediately giving birth to Jen's older sister. Then her father took a job back in Pittsburgh. So he moved his young family back to Pennsylvania. Jennifer's mother wanted a big family, but after several miscarriages and her husband's health problems, they were starting to settle into the notion that it would just be the three of them,</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=149.32" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:29</a>):</p><p>Our neighbor, who was a nurse. She, I don't know the connection here, exact details. And she has since passed away. So I can't ask her, but she somehow knew the doctor who delivered me, who was my birth mother's doctor. He worked at Allegheny general hospital in Pittsburgh, and his name was dr. Bell. And he was known for, and I'll say in the air quotes, helping girls in trouble. So she had mentioned this, my parents, you know, that there's these babies up for adoption eventually. And would you be interested in my parents thought about it.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=184.14" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:04</a>):</p><p>Jennifer's parents didn't hear anything back for a while. Then they received a phone call. They were informed that there were a couple of different babies available for adoption and her parents should go have a look. Jennifer told me the viewing of babies, like their puppies has always been a sore spot with her. When her parents arrived, the recently born babies had families already. So they went home.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=207.03" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:27</a>):</p><p>I only know this story because I heard my mom tell it so often. My mom says her and my dad were in the dining room painting. She was up on a ladder and the phone rings and she heard my dad, all of a sudden, he goes, well, you better tell her my mom and our neighbor, who was the nurse, said there was a baby girl born this morning and she's yours if you want her. And my mom said immediately, yes. And her hands were shaking. And they went and dropped everything and went to the hospital and she was able to hold me that first day.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=240.46" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:00</a>):</p><p>Her mom dressed her at the hospital that very first day, but Jennifer had to stay in the hospital for a week among other issues. Her mother tried to hide her pregnancy, but her methods caused problems for Jennifer's development in her womb</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=255.19" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:15</a>):</p><p>because she, she worked hurdle while she was pregnant. My right foot was bent in such a way that my shoulders were touching my shin. So they had to do X rays and put a cast on my foot, that kind of stuff to correct it. So, yeah, my parents brought me home a week later and my sister, their biological daughter is nine years older than me. And you know, so it was like all of a sudden they had to prepare for a baby. As far as I know, everybody in the neighborhood knew I was adopted and I am of European descent. I am born, as pale as you get. Obviously I'm not Latino. He was Spanish. And he had black hair and dark skin and Brown eyes. And my mom had Brown hair and Brown eyes.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=302.88" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:02</a>):</p><p>Jen says that there was such an age gap with her and her sister that there was no sibling rivalry. They just weren't the same age to be in contention with one another. When Jen was starting school, her mother pulled her aside to have a conversation about adoption.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=317.39" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:17</a>):</p><p>So when I started kindergarten, um, I think my mom was worried that I didn't know I was adopted, even though it was never a secret. So she kind of, um, like had to, I guess in her way, she was like, reminding me, you know, I have a very vivid memory of this. I was about six years old, five or six. She was like, well, honey, you know that, you know, you're adopted. And then I must have asked her, what does that mean? And she said, well, I'm not your real mom. You know, your mom couldn't keep you. And the only information we had all my life was that they were teenagers from the North Hills of Pittsburgh. That's, that's all we knew. I had a tantrum like, and I wasn't one of those kids that would do that, but I can remember kicking and screaming and saying, where's my mom. Why didn't she want me? I want my real mom and all this. And I can't even imagine how painful that must have been for my adoptive mom, you know, to see me going through that. But I did. And it was hard. It was a really emotional time.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=387.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:27</a>):</p><p>Bet. I mean, it's, uh, it's great that she told you it's in, you did grow up with the knowledge, but you know, that's a volatile time there where a child is starting school. They're already sort of going to be in a place of comparing themselves to other children. And then they get this huge piece of news dropped on them. Jen's mom was afraid. One of the children in her school was going to spring. The news that she was adopted on her, Jen says her neighborhood was an upper class white collar enclave. So their family was the minority because there were nearly no families of color. And her adoption was well known. She talked about her relationship with her adopted parents.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=428" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:08</a>):</p><p>My dad, he had a lot of issues. Are you aware of that? The elephant man, you've heard that story.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=433.64" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:13</a>):</p><p>Yeah.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=434.58" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:14</a>):</p><p>My dad had two of the three elements that he had. One is called acromegaly, which means enlarged extremities and then fibrous dysplasia, which he would get like fibers growths of calcium in different parts of his body. So he was disfigured. He had a very large head, large hands or feet, and he had to go multiple through multiple surgeries. When I was a little kid and stuff like my dad was my hero. He was like, go to, I never really had the bond with my mom most. I mean, my mom and I were like oil and water. My dad and I would have these, fantastic conversations. And you know, he was just, he was my rock</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=488.42" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:08</a>):</p><p>when Jen was 14, her sister who was 23, got married and moved away. That left Jen and her parents at home together. She said that as an adoptee in adolescents, she leaned toward being the people, pleasing child, not really acting out,</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=504.33" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:24</a>):</p><p>but I had this angry anger in me that I didn't understand. And I was really, really, really angry at my birth mother when I was a kid. I mean really angry. I like from that tantrum that I had, I held onto that all through my adolescents.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=522.04" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:42</a>):</p><p>Yeah. I was going to ask if it had subsided</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=526.51" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:46</a>):</p><p>as I grew up and I learned about her, I was very angry. And then because of my family being so different from me, I always felt the need to explain it. So like something would come up about Mexicans. Oh yeah. My mom's Mexican immediately. People look at you, like you've got an eye in the middle of your forehead, like, huh, how'd that happen? And so I had this descent mechanism and I would immediately say, because I got tired of the questions people would ask, I would just fire every, it was rapid fire, like my defense mechanism. And I would say, yeah, my parents, my mom's Mexican, my dad's Spanish. No I'm adopted. No, I don't know where my mother is. No, I don't want to know where she is. I don't care. She didn't want me to, why should I care about her? And I, that was like blame and blame. And that way it would be the end of it. People wouldn't ask any more questions about my adoption and that was it. And that was how I dealt with it for a really long time.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=586.06" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:46</a>):</p><p>So I asked Jennifer what the turning point was for her to change her mind about searching for her biological family. She said, things changed in 1990 when her father passed away, she, her mother and grandmother took care of him for nine months until he lost his battle with cancer immediately after his mother developed leukemia and moved in with Jennifer and her mother until she passed. So Jen's sister, their biological child had a solid knowledge of her cancer risks, but Jen knew nothing about her medical predispositions. She took me back to her childhood where she explained that her growth was stunted with no family medical history. She had to go see specialists about her development</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=629.64" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:29</a>):</p><p>because my group was done. I had to go to this growth hormone specialist every six months and get x-rays and have blood drawn. And then they look to see if you've got breast buds forming or, you know, look in your underwear to see if she's got anything else like puberty wise. And they've checked you all over. And it's very violating to tell you the truth. When you're a little kid, I hated it. I hated it. And I was going to start with when we're in treatment and in the summer between fifth and sixth grade, there was like this. If she doesn't grow, you know, an inch and a half over the summer, then we're going to start her on treatment. And I sprung up to it's just that medical background thing really, you know, got me started on the path to even being open because I had been so closed off to it</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=681.31" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:21</a>):</p><p>in 1994, her sister and fiance were back in town. Jen was at their place watching the Maury Povich show on television. You may remember that talk show did a lot of reunions of family members, but Jen had never seen one of those episodes before, as she watched Maury Povich told the backstory of his guest, then he said,</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=702.41" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:42</a>):</p><p>well, we have someone here for you, uh, to meet you. And they brought out her natural mother and I'm sitting watching this with tears just streaming down my face, hugging each other. Sorry, I get tripped up about this, watching them hug each other. And I'm sitting there and I'm watching these two women sitting beside each other and I am just analysing everything and they've got these similar features in the way they move is similar. I was just like really moved by it. And then the birth mother says to her daughter. She says, I never stopped thinking about you. And that's why I was like, wow. Maybe my mother's thinking about me too.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=762.35" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:42</a>):</p><p>At the end of the show, they listed all my reunion registries for people to enter their personal information. Jen jumped on her sister's computer and stayed there for hours.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=772.46" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:52</a>):</p><p>I was so fascinated by how many people were out there looking.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=778.96" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:58</a>):</p><p>She kept going back to her sister's place, staying for hours at a time, hunting online for different reunion, registries entering her own information in each one and searching for info that other people had entered that could have matched with her. In 1999. After five years of searching, Jen had a bad feeling about her search.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=798.58" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:18</a>):</p><p>I don't know if it was gut feeling or what, but I started saying, if she's not out there looking for me, she must be dead. And that was just the feeling I had.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=808.52" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:28</a>):</p><p>So Jen has shared how she had a tantrum as a child when she learned she was adopted and that she had deep seated anger. As a teenager, she shares a little bit about how her adopted mom felt about her search.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/hqjB_-FZdmap-fdy_D1JQC9ngV-vfIh7u3jhDRWCz1YkRftRtdrOOSb6VERgyg29_UnC4tqevSSA93_Vh7E0Mqm18kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=820.21" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:40</a>):</p><p>My adoptive mom was not crazy about me searching at the beginning. I had asked her to get my adoption records a few times and she was real hesitant]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/046-i-am-adopted-it-is-who-i-am]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1871</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2020 05:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/36da013a-f7c3-4aca-8f2f-9c93ccc85a3c/046-i-am-adopted-it-is-who-i-am.mp3" length="51396209" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>53:32</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>46</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>46</podcast:episode><itunes:summary>Jennifer is a reunited adoptee from Pittsburgh. She’s a petite, white blonde of European descent whose adoptive parents are a Spanish man and a Mexican woman. Through her search, she found both of her natural parents are deceased, and she had half brothers on both sides, both named Tom. Unbeknownst to Jen, her maternal half-brother attended the…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>063 – I’m Really Glad You Came, But It’s Gonna Be A While</title><itunes:title>063 – I’m Really Glad You Came, But It’s Gonna Be A While</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Brenda was&nbsp;born in California, grew up on the east coast and lives in Texas. She’s the child of a military family that has lived all over. When a school project required her to ask her adoptive mother about her family tree at&nbsp;eight years old, she was shown her&nbsp;non-identifying information for the first time. While the offer was open to review her information anytime, Brenda felt like the topic of her adoption was stressful for her mother, so she never asked. After the birth of her first son, Brenda sought her birth parents, definitively identifying her birth father first. He was emotionally ready to welcome her in. Finding her birth mother, she saw the mirror image of her self. Unfortunately,&nbsp;the woman was so traumatized following her pregnancy and the adoption process, she&nbsp;wasn’t as open to Brenda’s&nbsp;return. But the door isn’t completely closed.</p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She just started crying and she just said, you know it, It took so long to forget and such a short time to bring it all back</p><p>Brenda: What did you think in that moment.</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, I mean I understand. I understand. She had to forget about me to move on. She had to because she just couldn’t live there and beat herself up for the rest of her life.</p><p>Intro voices:&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I?..Who am I? Who am I?… Who Am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and today you’re going to hear from Brenda who called me from Texas. Brenda was raised as an only child in a military family and her parents always gave her what she needed to have a healthy, happy upbringing. After a school project, she was shown her non-identifying information and her curiosity about her birth mother opened up and her imagination kicked in, but it was her biological father whom she definitively identified first and who was mentally ready to receive her unscarred by the burdens, her biological mother bore after Brenda’s birth. This is Brenda’s journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;Brenda was born in California and grew up an only child of a military couple. They moved around a lot, living in different parts of the United States and overseas. At one point her parents intended to adopt a boy, but her father’s military orders transferred him. Before that adoption was completed.</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;I was the only one in the family that was adopted, you know, in the entire, either one of their families. So I didn’t really have anybody to talk to about it. They were always very open about it even though they were a little nervous about talking about that kind of thing. They’re just kinda little uptight about a lot of things. And um, so they had, I remember as a kid, I mean I’ve always known I was adopted and as a kid my mother would give me this little book to read about how special I was because I was adopted. I was selected, I was chosen and um, you know, that was kind of how it was approached. And uh, you know, most of the family, the extended family didn’t really treat me any differently than anybody else. We didn’t because again, with the military life, we didn’t live near anybody in the family either. My parents, they lived, their parents lived in different places and in the United States and we’d go visit occasionally about once a year, but that was about it and so it was just kind of the three of us growing up.</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;Brenda says she looks different from her family, but over the years people have said she looks like her father, which always made her laugh and oddly Brenda and her mother’s voice is sound almost identical. A bizarre coincidence for Brenda who worked in broadcasting. She speaks reverently of her mother and honestly about her father.</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;I’ve always gotten along great with her. I mean she really, she was a stay at home mom and even though, you know, we certainly weren’t wealthy by any stretch. I mean we always had kind of what we needed and you know, I was very fortunate, you know, Christmas time and that they would make sure that I got some things that I really wanted, but they didn’t want me to be spoiled because of being an only child. So my mother and I have always been very, very close, I mean very close. My Dad and I had a little bit of a stormy relationship. We just butted heads a lot and I think we just approach things differently, we think differently and we’re both pretty stubborn and so that’s been difficult. That was always difficult growing up. I mean once I got past about five or so things kind of changed with our relationship, you know, we’ve had a lot of difficult times know where we wouldn’t speak with each other and you know, even the living in the same house and we just wouldn’t speak with each other for like a month.</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. Which is really bizarre and you know, you don’t know any different at the time, but getting out of that, I realized that’s not the way that most families are, you know, it was, it was stressful. That part was really stressful and you know, I don’t know. I think deep down I always wanted to make sure that I didn’t cause too many problems because this is totally unreasonable and irrational, but I think in the back of my mind was always, well they could send me back, you know, they could, they could have me go back to foster care or the orphanage or wherever, you know, and you know, so I think it was always kind of one of those things like I don’t want to get too far out of line.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So Brenda’s parents try to make her feel comfortable with her adoption, with the books and the messages that she was special because she was chosen, but adoption wasn’t a comfortable topic and she could sense the tension. So she basically never raised the issue. Of course that made it tough as a kid when she had to complete one of those dreaded family tree projects. But it was that project that opened Pandora’s metal box for her.</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;I think I was in elementary school and I came home with homework one day and you were supposed to trace your family tree. And I remember I went up to my teacher privately, you know, in elementary school and I said, Hey, I’m adopted. And she said, well then just do your parents. And it was like, okay, so yeah, and you know, so it’s like, well that’s not.</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, yeah. So it was really awkward and I still remember going home and I talked to my mother and I said, hey, you know, this is the assignment. And she brought out this metal box that I’d never seen before and open it up and inside where my adoption papers and it did have one type written sheet of non ID information. And in that it gave. And I saw for the first time my background in terms of my ethnic background and I found out that my mother was an immigrant to the United States. And uh, I had no idea.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was glad Brenda came around to her biological mother being an immigrant because she alluded to looking different from her parents. She says her mother is tall and thin, fair skinned with reddish brown hair. Her father is shorter and she just doesn’t look like them.</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;I have almost black eyes, you know, I have dark hair and all that. And so I just didn’t look like that.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What did you think you ethnicity might be?</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, I just didn’t know back then. I didn’t know. I mean, you know, you’re a kid, you don’t really, unless that’s part of your culture. I mean, you know, I was in an urban area at that time and so, you know, it was like, well people are, you know, African American or they’re Puerto Rican or their native America, you will really, really neat mix of different types of people. And so, you know, we had somebody from Portugal and and so those kinds of things. But I didn’t think about myself being like that and to find out that, you know, my mother had come to the United States from another country was like wow. And it was even a country I really didn’t know too much about.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Seeing the physical description of her biological parents and other non identifying information was really interesting because it painted a picture of traits about her biological mother, like athleticism and being good at crafts. She also learned that</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;when she had me, she was a junior in high school and that when she came to the United States, she didn’t speak the language in. So even though she was older, you know, they didn’t do bilingual education back then, so she had to go back to elementary school, you know, and sit is a big kid with little kids to learn the language and it was kind of humiliating for her.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Brenda, read about her birth parents, family structures on both sides. She learned their birth years and that her biological father was in the armed forces.</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;So then your imagination starts really taking off as a kid and you know, Gosh, who could my parents be? And that’s, that’s where it gets kind of interesting because you know, you start looking for familiarity in the face of strangers and you look at people and think do… do they look like me? Could that be my family? You know, and you just don’t know. And that’s the hard part.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, that’s right. So who did you think they could be?</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh, you know, when you’re a kid, I mean I used to think, oh my dad’s going to be Johnny Carson.</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;(laughter)</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;you know, and my mom is probably like, Cher.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It’s not uncommon for adoptees]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brenda was&nbsp;born in California, grew up on the east coast and lives in Texas. She’s the child of a military family that has lived all over. When a school project required her to ask her adoptive mother about her family tree at&nbsp;eight years old, she was shown her&nbsp;non-identifying information for the first time. While the offer was open to review her information anytime, Brenda felt like the topic of her adoption was stressful for her mother, so she never asked. After the birth of her first son, Brenda sought her birth parents, definitively identifying her birth father first. He was emotionally ready to welcome her in. Finding her birth mother, she saw the mirror image of her self. Unfortunately,&nbsp;the woman was so traumatized following her pregnancy and the adoption process, she&nbsp;wasn’t as open to Brenda’s&nbsp;return. But the door isn’t completely closed.</p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She just started crying and she just said, you know it, It took so long to forget and such a short time to bring it all back</p><p>Brenda: What did you think in that moment.</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, I mean I understand. I understand. She had to forget about me to move on. She had to because she just couldn’t live there and beat herself up for the rest of her life.</p><p>Intro voices:&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I?..Who am I? Who am I?… Who Am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and today you’re going to hear from Brenda who called me from Texas. Brenda was raised as an only child in a military family and her parents always gave her what she needed to have a healthy, happy upbringing. After a school project, she was shown her non-identifying information and her curiosity about her birth mother opened up and her imagination kicked in, but it was her biological father whom she definitively identified first and who was mentally ready to receive her unscarred by the burdens, her biological mother bore after Brenda’s birth. This is Brenda’s journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;Brenda was born in California and grew up an only child of a military couple. They moved around a lot, living in different parts of the United States and overseas. At one point her parents intended to adopt a boy, but her father’s military orders transferred him. Before that adoption was completed.</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;I was the only one in the family that was adopted, you know, in the entire, either one of their families. So I didn’t really have anybody to talk to about it. They were always very open about it even though they were a little nervous about talking about that kind of thing. They’re just kinda little uptight about a lot of things. And um, so they had, I remember as a kid, I mean I’ve always known I was adopted and as a kid my mother would give me this little book to read about how special I was because I was adopted. I was selected, I was chosen and um, you know, that was kind of how it was approached. And uh, you know, most of the family, the extended family didn’t really treat me any differently than anybody else. We didn’t because again, with the military life, we didn’t live near anybody in the family either. My parents, they lived, their parents lived in different places and in the United States and we’d go visit occasionally about once a year, but that was about it and so it was just kind of the three of us growing up.</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;Brenda says she looks different from her family, but over the years people have said she looks like her father, which always made her laugh and oddly Brenda and her mother’s voice is sound almost identical. A bizarre coincidence for Brenda who worked in broadcasting. She speaks reverently of her mother and honestly about her father.</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;I’ve always gotten along great with her. I mean she really, she was a stay at home mom and even though, you know, we certainly weren’t wealthy by any stretch. I mean we always had kind of what we needed and you know, I was very fortunate, you know, Christmas time and that they would make sure that I got some things that I really wanted, but they didn’t want me to be spoiled because of being an only child. So my mother and I have always been very, very close, I mean very close. My Dad and I had a little bit of a stormy relationship. We just butted heads a lot and I think we just approach things differently, we think differently and we’re both pretty stubborn and so that’s been difficult. That was always difficult growing up. I mean once I got past about five or so things kind of changed with our relationship, you know, we’ve had a lot of difficult times know where we wouldn’t speak with each other and you know, even the living in the same house and we just wouldn’t speak with each other for like a month.</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. Which is really bizarre and you know, you don’t know any different at the time, but getting out of that, I realized that’s not the way that most families are, you know, it was, it was stressful. That part was really stressful and you know, I don’t know. I think deep down I always wanted to make sure that I didn’t cause too many problems because this is totally unreasonable and irrational, but I think in the back of my mind was always, well they could send me back, you know, they could, they could have me go back to foster care or the orphanage or wherever, you know, and you know, so I think it was always kind of one of those things like I don’t want to get too far out of line.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So Brenda’s parents try to make her feel comfortable with her adoption, with the books and the messages that she was special because she was chosen, but adoption wasn’t a comfortable topic and she could sense the tension. So she basically never raised the issue. Of course that made it tough as a kid when she had to complete one of those dreaded family tree projects. But it was that project that opened Pandora’s metal box for her.</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;I think I was in elementary school and I came home with homework one day and you were supposed to trace your family tree. And I remember I went up to my teacher privately, you know, in elementary school and I said, Hey, I’m adopted. And she said, well then just do your parents. And it was like, okay, so yeah, and you know, so it’s like, well that’s not.</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, yeah. So it was really awkward and I still remember going home and I talked to my mother and I said, hey, you know, this is the assignment. And she brought out this metal box that I’d never seen before and open it up and inside where my adoption papers and it did have one type written sheet of non ID information. And in that it gave. And I saw for the first time my background in terms of my ethnic background and I found out that my mother was an immigrant to the United States. And uh, I had no idea.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was glad Brenda came around to her biological mother being an immigrant because she alluded to looking different from her parents. She says her mother is tall and thin, fair skinned with reddish brown hair. Her father is shorter and she just doesn’t look like them.</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;I have almost black eyes, you know, I have dark hair and all that. And so I just didn’t look like that.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What did you think you ethnicity might be?</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, I just didn’t know back then. I didn’t know. I mean, you know, you’re a kid, you don’t really, unless that’s part of your culture. I mean, you know, I was in an urban area at that time and so, you know, it was like, well people are, you know, African American or they’re Puerto Rican or their native America, you will really, really neat mix of different types of people. And so, you know, we had somebody from Portugal and and so those kinds of things. But I didn’t think about myself being like that and to find out that, you know, my mother had come to the United States from another country was like wow. And it was even a country I really didn’t know too much about.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Seeing the physical description of her biological parents and other non identifying information was really interesting because it painted a picture of traits about her biological mother, like athleticism and being good at crafts. She also learned that</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;when she had me, she was a junior in high school and that when she came to the United States, she didn’t speak the language in. So even though she was older, you know, they didn’t do bilingual education back then, so she had to go back to elementary school, you know, and sit is a big kid with little kids to learn the language and it was kind of humiliating for her.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Brenda, read about her birth parents, family structures on both sides. She learned their birth years and that her biological father was in the armed forces.</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;So then your imagination starts really taking off as a kid and you know, Gosh, who could my parents be? And that’s, that’s where it gets kind of interesting because you know, you start looking for familiarity in the face of strangers and you look at people and think do… do they look like me? Could that be my family? You know, and you just don’t know. And that’s the hard part.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, that’s right. So who did you think they could be?</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh, you know, when you’re a kid, I mean I used to think, oh my dad’s going to be Johnny Carson.</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;(laughter)</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;you know, and my mom is probably like, Cher.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It’s not uncommon for adoptees to imagine that their parents are famous people. It’s no spoiler for me to tell you Brenda’s parents were not in Hollywood. So, Brenda has seen this paper with the identified information at about eight years old. Her mother said she could look at the papers anytime she wanted to, but she didn’t want to make her mother nervous or stress her out, so she never brought it up again. Over the years, people sometimes asked Brenda if she wanted to search for her birth family and she always said no, but then marriage and the birth of her son changed everything. I asked her how she felt when her boy was born.</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;When I first had him, the first thing I thought of was when they put him in my arms, I said, wow, this is the first time I’ve ever seen so better. That looks like me. And it was so cool because I looked and I’m like, wow, he’s got my eyes and Wow. It was the most wonderful thing in my life, and then I thought, you know, people who aren’t adopted, they’re so privileged. I mean, they have that every day. They know where they got their nose, they know where they got their eyes and I had none of that and I was just done with it. I was like, I need to know this and you know, as old as you are, you know, when you have to go to a new doctor, there’s always that dreaded family medical history. And I got to really resent it because every time I’d go in and, you know, I would just have to put a line through it, not known and there would always be some, you know, young office staffer, or nurse or something.&nbsp;They come in and go, oh, you didn’t fill the sand. I’ve been a, you know, and I’d say, well I’m adopted and it’s like, you know, 30, 40 years old and I’m having to tell some 20 year old that I’m adopted, you know. And plus I want to know what my, my medical history is. I want to know what I have to worry about or what I need to get screened. I don’t want to either go, hey, I don’t know, so I’m not going to do anything or assume that everything is in my family. I just didn’t want to do that.</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, that’s right. I hadn’t really thought about that.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Damon: You know, people often express that they want to know what things to watch out for, but I would imagine that there is a component of the population who has the like a hypochondria of I probably got everything right and I’m sure it’s very worrisome not to know what your&nbsp;potential risks are.</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, I mean for me it wasn’t even like a contract situation, but it was, you know, kind of like, well do I need to be screened for everything because I don’t know. I don’t know if I have breast cancer in my family. I don’t know if I have this or that and you know, you kind of have to make a decision because as you get older, certain the certain milestones and they go, hey, if you have the senior family, you need to start getting checked. Do you do it or do you just go nah? That’s probably, it’s probably not there or I don’t want to know</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;it’s true. You just don’t know what to be tested for and a person certainly doesn’t want to submit to every test under the sun. We want to know what we’re at risk for in our family’s history to know what tests we should have done and at what age to do so. By this time Brenda was working part time and she had access to a computer back then, so she found a few adoption search groups online. One piece of advice was to write to the state of California where she was adopted and she did.</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;It took about a month turnaround time, but I got a letter from a social worker from the state and she basically gave me the same information that I had before. But then I’d also read and I requested that if they have any photos or anything else that would belong to me, if I could get that. And she sent to me for pictures. They were old black and white pictures of me when I was in foster care as a baby. And because, you know, I, I didn’t have anything from early on and that was the first thing I’d ever seen and it was like, wow. And then my, I started to ask my folks a little bit if they had any more information, so they made copies of everything that they had to give to me and they had said, well, if you ever want to search will help you.&nbsp;But it still was that stress I could tell there. So I just kind of did it on my own and I found a name that had been blocked out but I could still see what it was. And that was the report from the foster care and kind of like what I had been fed and all of that. And the thing I will tell you that was remarkable to me because of, you know, read a little bit, you know, about primal screams and all of this. But one thing that was described was that when I went, you know, kind of right after the hospital, they took me into foster care and they said that I cried almost nonstop for a week. And then I stopped and I, um, you know, I’ve read since then that, you know, babies cry because they want their mother and they finally figure out their mothers never going to come. And it was like, wow, that was, that was big.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It was hard to read that description of herself back then. And Brenda admitted it’s still hard today to think of herself as an infant crying out for her mother for a week. But the name that was partially revealed on the social workers, copy of her papers was a solid clue. She connected with a private investigator in California, paid her a nominal fee for what she could afford at the time. And in return, Brenda received her birth, mother’s surname, her birth father’s two initials and surname, and learned that she wasn’t given a name. She was simply baby girl and a last name. The father’s last name is very common. And the mother’s last name just wasn’t returning any results. As Brenda searched, life continued. And Brenda had another baby herself. In the summer of 2016, she submitted her sample to ancestry DNA, which immediately returned multiple first cousin matches.</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;It was crazy. So I looked at that and the last name was the same as the last name I had been given for my birth father. So. Wow. Yeah. So, and I, at that point, I didn’t want anybody to help me. I had to figure this out. Myself and there were about two nights in the summer and I happened to be off and I pretty much spent the whole night figuring this out and I had like sticky notes with people’s names because I had to go back to like great grandparents and then trace where everybody went after that and who could have been the right age at the right place to be my birth father. And, and as you know, an ancestry, they don’t list living people. But what I was able to do was I finally got to find a grave and I found the sister had died of my birth father and it listed him as a possible relative. So I did some research on him. Sure enough, he had been in the military. He would’ve been born in the year that, um, that was listed on my non id information.&nbsp;And, but the thing is that it throw me off years ago, I’d actually came across his name years at 20 years ago, but the searcher that had helped me, the private investigator had given me the wrong initials and the wrong county.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Is that right? Just off by a little bit.</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;Yup. Just off that a little bit because I’d actually, I remembered seeing his name years ago. Once I had that, I’ve, I went to classmates.com, went to the old because I knew they were in high school, so I went to this city where they were, but he was from and I looked up the high school there and sure enough I found his picture and then I thought, well if they were high school sweethearts, she probably went to the same one. And I found her. Really? And it was about 3:30 in the morning. I looked at that and I found him the face of my father as a teenager. And I looked upon the face of my mother for the first time.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What was that like for you?</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;I got a cold chill. I mean it was because I look a lot like her and interestingly now I look a lot like him, but I don’t think I did as much in high school, but her, I look at, I mean I looked at her and then just like, there she is and I just got this cold chill, and kind of started shaking. It was just, it was just the most bizarre thing</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;with her biological mother’s full name. Brenda was able to find a port of entry pass online with the woman’s name on it. It showed the date. Her birth mother entered the country, the name of the ship she arrived on and what port she entered the United States through. It listed the family members who came with her, including her parents and younger brothers. Brenda continued to search for more information online where she found the woman’s married name and both parents facebook pages for the first time she saw the adult faces of both people. Seeing his picture. Brenda didn’t see much of herself,</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;….but when I looked at her profile picture, it was like, oh my God, that’s me. I just knew it.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;Brenda was completely blown away and emotional to finally see an adult resembling herself and it took her a few days to gather her composure.</p><p>Brenda:&nbsp;&nbsp;It took me a couple of days and I finally decided to call because I was more sure of my birth father. So I had a little script, you know, and everything and I called him and also he’s interested in genealogy and I’d found him. He would help people with genealogy too, which was really cool.. And so I called him, he had an answering machine. I was like, ah. So it’s like, I finally got my myself psyched up, but I’ve got to call this guy out of the blue, you know, I’m not going to do a letter, I’m just going to call and do it. And then he didn’t answer. So I left a message and I just said, hey, you know, I’m wondering if you could...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/063-im-really-glad-you-came-but-its-gonna-be-a-while]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2105</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2020 05:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/a9409b37-16f3-465c-9dd4-ffdc495e1c26/063-im-really-glad-you-came-but-its-gonna-be-a-while-final.mp3" length="53639987" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>55:52</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>63</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>63</podcast:episode><itunes:summary>Brenda was born in California, grew up on the east coast and lives in Texas. She’s the child of a military family that has lived all over. When a school project required her to ask her adoptive mother about her family tree at eight years old, she was shown her non-identifying information for the first time. While the…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>033 – My Sister Reunited Too, But Didn’t Know About Me</title><itunes:title>033 – My Sister Reunited Too, But Didn’t Know About Me</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Jenny journaled about her birth mother from an early age. She grew up in a loving family, but the urge to find her birth family was always there. When Ohio opened it birth records, she&nbsp;obtained some&nbsp;vital information that led her to her birth mother on Facebook and later to her birth father.&nbsp;But she never expected to learn she had a full sister!</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/033-sister-reunited-didnt-know/" target="_blank">033 – My Sister Reunited Too, But Didn’t Know About Me</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Jenny (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=2.31" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:02</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I called them and I told them who I was and I said, you know her name and he's like, Oh yeah, yeah, that's who I am. And I mean, he didn't try to act like that wasn't him. And um, he just told me a whole bunch of stuff and that, that was one of the things he told me was, Oh, we had another kid together. He didn't say how old or even if it was boy or a girl, but he was like, yeah. And I was like, Oh. But I didn't tell him I knew.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=30.33" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:30</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=41.73" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:41</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Jenny. In Ohio where Jenny lives, the law changed to recently allowing her to access her original birth certificate. That meant after years of research with no information, she was able to finally track down her family. She connected with them on Facebook and just introduced herself out of the blue. But it turned out she wasn't the only one to return to the family. In the end, Jenny made family connections she's excited about and she's looking forward to getting to know them all more. Here's Jenny's story.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=87.27" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:27</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jenny says she has a great family referring to her adoptive family. Interestingly, her parents didn't think they could have children, so they adopted. Her parents conceived her younger sister naturally thereafter. I asked Jenny about her feelings as an older adopted sibling growing up.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=103.92" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:43</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Did you guys, you and your sister talk about your adoption at all, maybe when you got older or anything like that when you could sort of have more logical conversation about it?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jenny (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=115.07" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:55</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Um, yeah. I mean, I, she knew that she always knew I wanted to search. Um, in Ohio, they just changed the law where I could get my original birth certificate. So growing up I knew I wasn't going to get it. Um, and cause that just changed like two years ago. So, um, I knew I'd have to like hire someone or do something or you know, to be able to find them unless, unless they would join a mutual consent, which they never did. So like a registry.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=143.661" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:23</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">A registry or some other online resource. I gotcha.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jenny (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=146.66" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:26</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Right. Yeah.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=148.2" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:28</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So did I hear you say you, you always wanted to search?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jenny (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=152.09" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:32</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Oh yeah. It's all through... I've re-read my journals from when I was a kid. It's all in there. I wanted to find her. I thought about her all the time.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=159.22" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:39</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Really. What kinds of things did you write in your journal from when you were a kid? When and why? Well, first of all, when did you start journaling and, and what kinds of things did you write in your journal as a kid?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jenny (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=169.62" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:49</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I was probably 10 when I started writing it like every day and I probably did it for 10 years every day. I would just think about it. Um think about her. I didn't really think about my birth father, but I was just thinking about her like what's her life like? What's she like? Is she okay? Is she going to find me? Those were the, those are the themes.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=193.34" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:13</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">It's interesting you were concerned about her as much as, um, she was probably concerned about you, huh?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jenny (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=199.4" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:19</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=200.45" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:20</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Did you, did you explicitly write any fantasies? I mean, 10 years old is a pretty young age. You're still fairly imaginative at that time. Did you, as you read back through your journals, did you find any like real fantasies about meeting her or who she might be or anything like that in your own writing?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jenny (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=219.49" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:39</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I think I just pictured her like my mom, except younger and with more kids. I don't know why, but I always thought she would have them.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=227.81" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:47</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Oh really? You thought you had a bunch of siblings,...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny journaled about her birth mother from an early age. She grew up in a loving family, but the urge to find her birth family was always there. When Ohio opened it birth records, she&nbsp;obtained some&nbsp;vital information that led her to her birth mother on Facebook and later to her birth father.&nbsp;But she never expected to learn she had a full sister!</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/033-sister-reunited-didnt-know/" target="_blank">033 – My Sister Reunited Too, But Didn’t Know About Me</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Jenny (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=2.31" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:02</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I called them and I told them who I was and I said, you know her name and he's like, Oh yeah, yeah, that's who I am. And I mean, he didn't try to act like that wasn't him. And um, he just told me a whole bunch of stuff and that, that was one of the things he told me was, Oh, we had another kid together. He didn't say how old or even if it was boy or a girl, but he was like, yeah. And I was like, Oh. But I didn't tell him I knew.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=30.33" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:30</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=41.73" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:41</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Jenny. In Ohio where Jenny lives, the law changed to recently allowing her to access her original birth certificate. That meant after years of research with no information, she was able to finally track down her family. She connected with them on Facebook and just introduced herself out of the blue. But it turned out she wasn't the only one to return to the family. In the end, Jenny made family connections she's excited about and she's looking forward to getting to know them all more. Here's Jenny's story.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=87.27" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:27</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jenny says she has a great family referring to her adoptive family. Interestingly, her parents didn't think they could have children, so they adopted. Her parents conceived her younger sister naturally thereafter. I asked Jenny about her feelings as an older adopted sibling growing up.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=103.92" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:43</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Did you guys, you and your sister talk about your adoption at all, maybe when you got older or anything like that when you could sort of have more logical conversation about it?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jenny (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=115.07" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:55</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Um, yeah. I mean, I, she knew that she always knew I wanted to search. Um, in Ohio, they just changed the law where I could get my original birth certificate. So growing up I knew I wasn't going to get it. Um, and cause that just changed like two years ago. So, um, I knew I'd have to like hire someone or do something or you know, to be able to find them unless, unless they would join a mutual consent, which they never did. So like a registry.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=143.661" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:23</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">A registry or some other online resource. I gotcha.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jenny (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=146.66" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:26</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Right. Yeah.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=148.2" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:28</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So did I hear you say you, you always wanted to search?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jenny (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=152.09" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:32</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Oh yeah. It's all through... I've re-read my journals from when I was a kid. It's all in there. I wanted to find her. I thought about her all the time.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=159.22" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:39</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Really. What kinds of things did you write in your journal from when you were a kid? When and why? Well, first of all, when did you start journaling and, and what kinds of things did you write in your journal as a kid?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jenny (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=169.62" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:49</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I was probably 10 when I started writing it like every day and I probably did it for 10 years every day. I would just think about it. Um think about her. I didn't really think about my birth father, but I was just thinking about her like what's her life like? What's she like? Is she okay? Is she going to find me? Those were the, those are the themes.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=193.34" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:13</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">It's interesting you were concerned about her as much as, um, she was probably concerned about you, huh?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jenny (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=199.4" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:19</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=200.45" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:20</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Did you, did you explicitly write any fantasies? I mean, 10 years old is a pretty young age. You're still fairly imaginative at that time. Did you, as you read back through your journals, did you find any like real fantasies about meeting her or who she might be or anything like that in your own writing?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jenny (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=219.49" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:39</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I think I just pictured her like my mom, except younger and with more kids. I don't know why, but I always thought she would have them.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=227.81" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:47</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Oh really? You thought you had a bunch of siblings, huh?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jenny (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=231.13" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:51</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Younger than me. Yeah. But then I found out I had one older.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=235.25" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:55</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">That's fascinating and it's actually a little bit of a hidden Testament to your own mother because if all you could imagine in a mother was your mother, that's, that's pretty cool. That, that she, you know, was so impactful on your life in such a loving mother that that was all you could envision was just a younger version of her.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jenny (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=254.85" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:14</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Right, I know.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=256.31" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:16</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">That's pretty cool. I asked Jenny how she began her search. She said she read voraciously about adoption, but the idea to use the birth index, a running record of infant births didn't occur to her until she was older. Jenny had gotten her non identifying information when she was 18 indicating her birth mother had a younger sister and giving her additional information, confirming her birth had happened in the area where she lived.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jenny (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=281.76" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:41</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I read from like 16 to 18 once I could drive. I read every book at the library about closed private non-family adoption. And so a lot of those were about, some of them were about reunion, some of them were about searching, but then I kind of stopped. I didn't, I never read The Primal Wound until just recently. So I wish I would have read that. But I had stopped reading all the adoption stuff by then. But um, I got the idea to go to the, to the birth index when I was about 27 and because that is, you know, an anytime baby's born, you know, they just record it right then in, in an index. So it wouldn't have been, um, it would've had her name at the time. So, um, I found the last name in a birth index in the county I was born in, uh, in the university library.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jenny (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=327.03" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:27</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And from that I just would search online or just search for that name. But, um, she actually had come to Ohio to have me and then she went back to where she was from. So I knew she wasn't like, you know, in Ohio. I wasn't going to find her there, but I thought I could probably find her grandparents or something like that. Um, but then, um, in 2011, that's when I found her father's obituary, so I just could connect all the dots that, Oh, that was her. And then I got her name, her married name, first name. So that's how, and then once the, once that happened, I found her on Facebook.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=364.16" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:04</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">What did you think when you found her father's obituary, and this is your grandfather, what did it, what, what went through your mind at that moment there?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jenny (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=372.56" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:12</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, I didn't, I had been searching on Legacy for that last name. And it's not like he had just died when I found it because even though I've been searching for a long time, it just happened to pop up. And he had died like a few years before that. No, I mean I was glad that I finally found something that I could use to, I mean, but it was, I mean it was weird to see that the names then their first names, cause I only ever knew the last name from the index.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=398.511" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:38</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah, I bet that was very interesting.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jenny (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=401.481" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:41</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah, yeah.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=403.27" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:43</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">There's that moment when when the person goes from fantasy to very real, when you can actually see their first name, you can see their last name and they, you attach an identity to a real person. You know, it's a funny feeling that you get.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=418.63" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:58</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jenny sent her mother a message on Facebook, but she never replied. But even without a reply, she could see pictures in her mother's public profile and there were even old pictures of her mother posted, allowing Jenny a glimpse into the past. Jenny let her search rest there until 2017 when policy changes afforded her the opportunities to have her search advanced. And the curiosity about her birth father's identity began to grow.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jenny (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=446.01" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:26</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Two years ago, you know, all the adoption stuff came back in the news because they changed the law. So I was able to get my certificate and you know, the name was right. I was right about who was so, um, but the, the birth father's name was on there and, and I really, you know, hadn't really thought about him much because I kind of figured, even if she had kept me, I wouldn't have known him. I mean, cause they didn't stay together. So I kind of felt like once I knew she was, well, I'm just like other people that don't know one parent for whatever reason. But then it started bothering me more and more. And then when I got the certificate, there's no names. So I went back to the agency and I told them, I said, Hey, I know I know who she is, I want to know his name, but they wouldn't give it to me.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jenny (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/qJLYZBStNE14c_xfeh2rk1J--476DEoMmtOCCVj0W1GUgNPhBR6ST6SdsXbUZoTF0VsHMSUhSfi2u9L9cBtyp9CGF_I?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=484.49" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:04</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I figured it was in the file just because, you know, I had all this non identifying information and it's not like she didn't know who he was, you know, just from the story that was there. So then I, I messaged her again and she didn't, she didn't respond, so I don't know if she got it or not. So then I was like, well, it's more time goes on, might never be able to figure it out. So, um, so then I messaged her sister on Facebook and I told her who I was. I was up late one night, feeling sorry for myself and I sent her a message. I didn't get a response back right away. Um, and I just kind of put it out in my mind. And then four days later I get a response on Facebook and she says, she just got the message. Of course it was a day when I couldn't charge my phone. I was out all day and then, and then, and I was like, okay, I'm going to take my daughter home. I'm]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/033-my-sister-reunited-too-but-didnt-know-about-me]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1765</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2020 07:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/3b539d98-eb1a-4c4b-86e6-491a0d16a700/033-jenny-c-final.mp3" length="23173382" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>24:08</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>33</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>33</podcast:episode><itunes:summary>Jenny journaled about her birth mother from an early age. She grew up in a loving family, but the urge to find her birth family was always there. When Ohio opened it birth records, she obtained some vital information that led her to her birth mother on Facebook and later to her birth father.  But she never…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>007 – I’m Great With My Family, They Love Me For Me</title><itunes:title>007 – I’m Great With My Family, They Love Me For Me</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>As a child Denise’s&nbsp;family blamed her for a tragedy that took the life of her younger brother. They mistreated Denise and her tyrannical stepfather ultimately&nbsp;saw the children as a means to his own financial gain. She took drastic steps&nbsp;to get herself kicked out of the house on a path to her own independence.</p><p>Today, Denise has found love in a supportive husband. Now she knows what love feels like, and has the experiences that come from a supportive extended family.&nbsp;But her own son, who didn’t know his own father growing up, now has a similar&nbsp;nagging feeling that Denise had to connect with her own family. She has resolved to&nbsp;surround herself with positivity and love in order to move on in a positive direction with her life.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/007-denise-n/" target="_blank">007 – I’m Great With My Family, They Love Me For Me</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Denise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.3" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:02</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I've always searched for him. I've always wanted to know him. I mean, I, you know, I always have, especially my dad. I mean his parents used to be the king and Queen at the fair and um, I went there every year, just tried to get a glimpse of him. I had no idea what they looked like, but I still wanted to know them.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=26.32" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:26</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=37.7" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:37</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is, Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. Hey, it's Damon and my guest today is Denise. I contacted Denise online after I read her post in an adoption support group on Facebook called I Am Adopted. I reached out to her to be supportive because I sensed some real pain and deep emotions from her online. It turns out she didn't have a conventional adoption. The way I typically think of them and her childhood wasn't a typical childhood at all. A tragedy in her childhood, left her extended family, blaming her for their sad loss, which turned into mistreatment and a hard childhood in the aftermath. She always wondered where her biological father was and why he never came to rescue her. Here's what Denise shared with me.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Denise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=86.03" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:26</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Hello Damon!</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=86.451" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:26</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;How are you?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Denise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=88.46" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:28</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I am good.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=89.69" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:29</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Excellent. It's really good to meet you.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Denise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=92.11" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:32</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, online!</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=93.96" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:33</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was so interested to see your posts in the I am adopted Facebook group. It sounds like you have just such an interesting story. So I mean you, it sounds really complex. So if you would just do me a favor and take me back to your childhood in the beginning in your family and tell me a little bit about what adoption was like in your family and in your community.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Denise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=118.51" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:58</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Okay. Um, it's not a typical adaption. Um, I was, had a happy childhood for the first three years. My mother and I, well actually, yeah, three years. My mother and I lived with her parents and, um, my dad, as far as I knew was in the service over, I don't know, I was 1954 so I haven't know where he was at that time, but my dad was over there and then all of a sudden we moved from grandma and Grandpa's and there's a guy that's not my dad and he's now my mom's husband.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=151.84" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:31</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Your stepdad.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Denise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=151.84" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:31</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And so my Stepdad, right. So, um, things were okay until my little brother, um, died in the fire. I was four and he was three.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a child Denise’s&nbsp;family blamed her for a tragedy that took the life of her younger brother. They mistreated Denise and her tyrannical stepfather ultimately&nbsp;saw the children as a means to his own financial gain. She took drastic steps&nbsp;to get herself kicked out of the house on a path to her own independence.</p><p>Today, Denise has found love in a supportive husband. Now she knows what love feels like, and has the experiences that come from a supportive extended family.&nbsp;But her own son, who didn’t know his own father growing up, now has a similar&nbsp;nagging feeling that Denise had to connect with her own family. She has resolved to&nbsp;surround herself with positivity and love in order to move on in a positive direction with her life.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/007-denise-n/" target="_blank">007 – I’m Great With My Family, They Love Me For Me</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Denise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.3" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:02</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I've always searched for him. I've always wanted to know him. I mean, I, you know, I always have, especially my dad. I mean his parents used to be the king and Queen at the fair and um, I went there every year, just tried to get a glimpse of him. I had no idea what they looked like, but I still wanted to know them.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=26.32" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:26</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=37.7" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:37</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is, Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. Hey, it's Damon and my guest today is Denise. I contacted Denise online after I read her post in an adoption support group on Facebook called I Am Adopted. I reached out to her to be supportive because I sensed some real pain and deep emotions from her online. It turns out she didn't have a conventional adoption. The way I typically think of them and her childhood wasn't a typical childhood at all. A tragedy in her childhood, left her extended family, blaming her for their sad loss, which turned into mistreatment and a hard childhood in the aftermath. She always wondered where her biological father was and why he never came to rescue her. Here's what Denise shared with me.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Denise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=86.03" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:26</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Hello Damon!</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=86.451" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:26</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;How are you?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Denise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=88.46" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:28</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I am good.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=89.69" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:29</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Excellent. It's really good to meet you.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Denise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=92.11" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:32</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, online!</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=93.96" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:33</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was so interested to see your posts in the I am adopted Facebook group. It sounds like you have just such an interesting story. So I mean you, it sounds really complex. So if you would just do me a favor and take me back to your childhood in the beginning in your family and tell me a little bit about what adoption was like in your family and in your community.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Denise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=118.51" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:58</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Okay. Um, it's not a typical adaption. Um, I was, had a happy childhood for the first three years. My mother and I, well actually, yeah, three years. My mother and I lived with her parents and, um, my dad, as far as I knew was in the service over, I don't know, I was 1954 so I haven't know where he was at that time, but my dad was over there and then all of a sudden we moved from grandma and Grandpa's and there's a guy that's not my dad and he's now my mom's husband.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=151.84" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:31</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Your stepdad.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Denise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=151.84" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:31</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And so my Stepdad, right. So, um, things were okay until my little brother, um, died in the fire. I was four and he was three.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=164.19" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:44</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh no.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Denise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=164.19" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:44</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And that was very traumatic for my mother. Um, she was never the same since. So it was kind of left up to the stepdad to raise us when the meantime mom had six children all together.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=178.61" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:58</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And was your stepdad the father of all six of you guys now?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Denise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=182.77" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:02</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;No, he was not my father. And I thought for many, many, many years that the little brother that died was my only real sibling.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=192.28" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:12</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh, interesting.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Denise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=193.93" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:13</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. They had told me that by his last name on the death certificate was the same as mine.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=199.39" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:19</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I see.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Denise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=199.93" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:19</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And so maybe they didn't tell me, but that was just the same. But everything changed that when he died, my Stepdad's parents no longer cared for me whatsoever. They ended up, um, the other kids could go in the house and, you know, I had to stay out in the car or out in the yard or, you know, I was never invited in. Um, and I, I think that they blamed me for the fire. What it could very well have been. But in reality, my mom left me and my little brother alone with a wood burning stove.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=233.23" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:53</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Hmm.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Denise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=233.5" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:53</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So that's how the fire went. And years later I found out that, um, everybody thought I was going to be blind because I wouldn't open my eyes and my gram, my grandma, my love of my life told me that, um, a nurse told me if I looked out into the stars, I would see my little brother Harry. And so I opened my eyes.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=253.96" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:13</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Really?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Denise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=255.01" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:15</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. So that was fantastic. Um,</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=258.13" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:18</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;so you, after you and as a child, you just closed your eyes, tried to hide from the reality of what had happened.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Denise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=263.25" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:23</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, I did. I was in the hospital and I just, I didn't want to see it. I didn't want to see with my eyes and see anything I guess. I mean I was only four, so I didn't know. I mean I've remembered since then what happened, but I, you know, at that time I didn't remember.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=277.77" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:37</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I see.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Denise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/H_v0MCT-kyN1kS-WJZaxTns5r_W9iF-1pixBk65s55k6W4E1FSQQ2FXxqYGyoVj2v0Oxc3zW2j-VkpI6nTK_KYG9jVQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=278.64" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:38</u></a><span style="color:...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/007-im-great-with-my-family-they-love-me-for-me-2]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1557</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2020 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/b6a57cbc-f4cd-4374-a695-f2f6727bdf63/007-denise-n.mp3" length="23181145" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>24:09</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>7</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>7</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>As a child Denise’s family blamed her for a tragedy that took the life of her younger brother. They mistreated Denise and her tyrannical stepfather ultimately saw the children as a means to his own financial gain. She took drastic steps to get herself kicked out of the house on a path to her own independence. Today, Denise…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>064 – The Truth Is Stranger Than Fiction</title><itunes:title>064 – The Truth Is Stranger Than Fiction</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Julie describes&nbsp;herself as very independent from her parents’ influences and drastically different than her older adopted brother. She tells the story of&nbsp;finding her birth mother thanks to open access legislation in Australia and the gentle influence of a psychic she visited for fun. When her birth mother shared that her birth father could only be one person because there were only two men in her life, it took a long time, a bit of disappointment, and some DNA investigation and luck to determine there had to be a third man. Listen as Julie tells her&nbsp;story of going back and forth across the globe from Los Angeles to&nbsp;Australia in search of answers.</p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Julie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.56" target="_blank"><u>00:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I remember that I was in an orphanage for the first two months of my life and I’m so physically connected to my children after I had them and they me and I couldn’t imagine not having them just to respond to their every need at every moment, especially in that first couple of months and I envisioned myself in this crib with, you know, I’m sure I had wonderful care with the nurses, but he, that I bond with and who responded to my needs on demand, what happened. So that kind of haunts me almost.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=39.46" target="_blank"><u>00:39</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=50.72" target="_blank"><u>00:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Julie. She called me from Los Angeles, but she was born and raised overseas until she was 15. She describes herself as very independent from her parents influences and drastically different than her older adopted brother. Julie tells the story of finding her birth mother. Thanks to open access legislation in Australia and the gentle influence of a psychic she visited for fun when her mother shared that her birth father could only be one person because there were only two men in her life. It took a long time, a bit of disappointment and some DNA investigation and luck to determine there had been a third man. Listen, as Julie tells her story of going back and forth across the globe. This is Julie’s journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=108" target="_blank"><u>01:48</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Julie was born and raised in Melbourne, Australia. Her mom is an American and when Julie was 15 years old, they moved to the US, specifically to Washington state, leaving that fun Aussie accent behind. Julie’s always known she was adopted since before she truly knew what it meant. She starts off telling the story. Her mother always shares about the day they met.</p><p>Julie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=129.96" target="_blank"><u>02:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My parents used to tell a story about the day they went shopping for me. They dropped my brother off at my, at my grandmother’s and went to the baby store and looked at all the babies in the crib and came across me and I was as wide as I was tall and I looked up and smiled at her and they decided, yeah, and truth be told. I’m sure I was the only one available to them that day. She likes to tell stories she likes to make it. Yeah. So, um, so as far as what it was like, I have a, I have mixed feelings about how to share this because it comes across sometimes as negative has been used against me in the past. Relatively normal childhood. I had two loving parents, I had a brother, I had extended family, you know, so everything was normal. I did have an overwhelming feeling that I didn’t belong and I couldn’t really express that and I didn’t know how to explain it to people around me. So it was always just kind of the itch that I had. Like why don’t I, why don’t I want to do that? Like them? Or why don’t they get that? I want to do this.</p><p>New Speaker:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=212.6" target="_blank"><u>03:32</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Can you give me an example of what you mean?</p><p>Julie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=215.88" target="_blank"><u>03:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;They’re very conservative kind of by the book people, not especially outgoing or creative or artistic, I guess more sports minded, um, and I am the exact opposite of that. I have been singing, dancing and acting and making things since before I can remember. So I just wanted to create and dance and sing and what have you and my parents could not wrap their heads around my desire to do that because they had no desire to do that.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=252.47" target="_blank"><u>04:12</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;They thought it would be more beneficial for Julie to have hobbies that would actually benefit her in the future. They just couldn’t see how she could make a living singing, dancing, or being artistic. She says her family are some wonderful, extraordinary people. There was just a disconnect between them and herself that pushed her further down the path of curiosity about who she is and where she came from. She has one brother who’s a year and a half older than she and they couldn’t be any more different she says. They’ve been estranged for many years. He was also adopted, but the siblings are so opposite to one another that he all but denies his adoption, his wife and children didn’t even know when I asked Julie about how adoption was discussed in her family, she said she was the only one who wanted to talk about it, which clued her parents in that she’d likely want to search for her birth family. They did the very best they could answering her questions, and she always tried to be sensitive to her parent’s feelings on the topic.</p><p>Julie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=309.05" target="_blank"><u>05:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I’ve always been very sensitive to the fact that what I’m doing may hurt them or may feel hurtful and in fact the only time in this entire process that I have been emotional, deep down, guttural emotional is when things had to do with my parents. For example, when I first connected with my biological mother 25 years ago, the first thing I did, I and I didn’t cry when I talked to her or when I spoke to her the first time,or when I met her the first time but what I did do with after I got off the phone, it was the middle of the night. I crawled into bed with my parents and I wrapped myself around. My mom just cried myself to sleep because I felt empathy for her, like I wanted her to know that I wasn’t trying to replace her and she was my mom, so that’s always been in my mind as much as we weren’t a fit, a good fit. I’ve always. They’ve always been...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie describes&nbsp;herself as very independent from her parents’ influences and drastically different than her older adopted brother. She tells the story of&nbsp;finding her birth mother thanks to open access legislation in Australia and the gentle influence of a psychic she visited for fun. When her birth mother shared that her birth father could only be one person because there were only two men in her life, it took a long time, a bit of disappointment, and some DNA investigation and luck to determine there had to be a third man. Listen as Julie tells her&nbsp;story of going back and forth across the globe from Los Angeles to&nbsp;Australia in search of answers.</p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Julie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.56" target="_blank"><u>00:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I remember that I was in an orphanage for the first two months of my life and I’m so physically connected to my children after I had them and they me and I couldn’t imagine not having them just to respond to their every need at every moment, especially in that first couple of months and I envisioned myself in this crib with, you know, I’m sure I had wonderful care with the nurses, but he, that I bond with and who responded to my needs on demand, what happened. So that kind of haunts me almost.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=39.46" target="_blank"><u>00:39</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=50.72" target="_blank"><u>00:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Julie. She called me from Los Angeles, but she was born and raised overseas until she was 15. She describes herself as very independent from her parents influences and drastically different than her older adopted brother. Julie tells the story of finding her birth mother. Thanks to open access legislation in Australia and the gentle influence of a psychic she visited for fun when her mother shared that her birth father could only be one person because there were only two men in her life. It took a long time, a bit of disappointment and some DNA investigation and luck to determine there had been a third man. Listen, as Julie tells her story of going back and forth across the globe. This is Julie’s journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=108" target="_blank"><u>01:48</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Julie was born and raised in Melbourne, Australia. Her mom is an American and when Julie was 15 years old, they moved to the US, specifically to Washington state, leaving that fun Aussie accent behind. Julie’s always known she was adopted since before she truly knew what it meant. She starts off telling the story. Her mother always shares about the day they met.</p><p>Julie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=129.96" target="_blank"><u>02:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My parents used to tell a story about the day they went shopping for me. They dropped my brother off at my, at my grandmother’s and went to the baby store and looked at all the babies in the crib and came across me and I was as wide as I was tall and I looked up and smiled at her and they decided, yeah, and truth be told. I’m sure I was the only one available to them that day. She likes to tell stories she likes to make it. Yeah. So, um, so as far as what it was like, I have a, I have mixed feelings about how to share this because it comes across sometimes as negative has been used against me in the past. Relatively normal childhood. I had two loving parents, I had a brother, I had extended family, you know, so everything was normal. I did have an overwhelming feeling that I didn’t belong and I couldn’t really express that and I didn’t know how to explain it to people around me. So it was always just kind of the itch that I had. Like why don’t I, why don’t I want to do that? Like them? Or why don’t they get that? I want to do this.</p><p>New Speaker:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=212.6" target="_blank"><u>03:32</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Can you give me an example of what you mean?</p><p>Julie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=215.88" target="_blank"><u>03:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;They’re very conservative kind of by the book people, not especially outgoing or creative or artistic, I guess more sports minded, um, and I am the exact opposite of that. I have been singing, dancing and acting and making things since before I can remember. So I just wanted to create and dance and sing and what have you and my parents could not wrap their heads around my desire to do that because they had no desire to do that.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=252.47" target="_blank"><u>04:12</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;They thought it would be more beneficial for Julie to have hobbies that would actually benefit her in the future. They just couldn’t see how she could make a living singing, dancing, or being artistic. She says her family are some wonderful, extraordinary people. There was just a disconnect between them and herself that pushed her further down the path of curiosity about who she is and where she came from. She has one brother who’s a year and a half older than she and they couldn’t be any more different she says. They’ve been estranged for many years. He was also adopted, but the siblings are so opposite to one another that he all but denies his adoption, his wife and children didn’t even know when I asked Julie about how adoption was discussed in her family, she said she was the only one who wanted to talk about it, which clued her parents in that she’d likely want to search for her birth family. They did the very best they could answering her questions, and she always tried to be sensitive to her parent’s feelings on the topic.</p><p>Julie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=309.05" target="_blank"><u>05:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I’ve always been very sensitive to the fact that what I’m doing may hurt them or may feel hurtful and in fact the only time in this entire process that I have been emotional, deep down, guttural emotional is when things had to do with my parents. For example, when I first connected with my biological mother 25 years ago, the first thing I did, I and I didn’t cry when I talked to her or when I spoke to her the first time,or when I met her the first time but what I did do with after I got off the phone, it was the middle of the night. I crawled into bed with my parents and I wrapped myself around. My mom just cried myself to sleep because I felt empathy for her, like I wanted her to know that I wasn’t trying to replace her and she was my mom, so that’s always been in my mind as much as we weren’t a fit, a good fit. I’ve always. They’ve always been my parents and will always be my parents</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=371.18" target="_blank"><u>06:11</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;in Washington. Julie kind of lived in her own apartment. During her senior year of high school. Her father moved to Los Angeles to find more work in his field and her mother spent a lot of time there with him. They sent her money and her mother’s cousin came over to check on her from time to time. Julie says that setup is indicative of how independent she’s always been from her parents. Her brother moved back to Australia when he graduated from high school, but when Julie graduated, she moved in with her parents in Los Angeles. She was living with her parents in La when she found her biological relatives. In 1987, Julie made a trip home to Australia and on a whim she and her best friend visited a psychic. During the session. The person seemed to be making generalities about Julie.</p><p>Julie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=418.67" target="_blank"><u>06:58</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was waiting for something groundbreaking for her to say and nothing really happened however, at one point she said, so when did your parents divorce? I said, well, my parents are still together. They’ve never divorced, and she said, well, why do I keep getting two sets of parents? I said, well I am adopted and she said “Oh, that’s what it is, that’s why I’m getting two sets of parents” and then she went on to tell me that she believed that my mother was a very famous Australian actor. I should see her out and at that point I was like ‘Oh come on!’</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=461.48" target="_blank"><u>07:41</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The psychic session was turning out to be useless until the person told Julie about the adoption act of 1984. The Australian legislation granted adoptees access to their records and when her records arrived over a year later, they were completely identifiable. She had her birth mother’s name and address and her birth father’s name. She was eager to learn more about the people she came from and why she was placed for adoption. In the hobbes section, the document listed her parents’ interests like her father, his affinity for cars and mechanical hobbies, and her mother’s love of swimming, sewing and sports</p><p>Julie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=499.07" target="_blank"><u>08:19</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;and then there was kinda like a dot, dot, dot, like an ellipsis written much smaller, but as an afterthought it said singing and that was my Aha moment. I was like finally, somebody that I’m connected genetically connected to that likes using their voice at least as much as I do to where they would list it as a hobby.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=530.68" target="_blank"><u>08:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Julie received the records from the methodist to babies home, the orphanage that she lived in for the first few months of her life in the early 80s. The babies home changed into the Copeland Street family center with a focus on reuniting families. When Julie returned to Australia the second time, after receiving her records, she went to the building where she spent the first days of her life.</p><p>Julie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=552.65" target="_blank"><u>09:12</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;When I went back to, you know, the next time I went back, I went and looked at the place and stood outside the gates and kinda stared at it for a while.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=561.77" target="_blank"><u>09:21</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I can imagine. That must have been crazy. Yeah.</p><p>Julie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=565.42" target="_blank"><u>09:25</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, It was… you know, after I had my kids, especially. I remember that I was in an orphanage for the first few months of my life and I’m so physically connected to my children after I had them and I couldn’t imagine not having them to just respond to their every need every moment, especially in that first couple of months and I envisioned myself in this crib with, you know, I’m sure I had wonderful care with the nurses, but who did I bond with who responded to my needs on demand? So that kind of haunts me almost.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=604.24" target="_blank"><u>10:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah.</p><p>Julie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=606.03" target="_blank"><u>10:06</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I kind of feel like it almost explained a lot of my insecurities and feelings and you know issues that a lot of adoptees have.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=614.1" target="_blank"><u>10:14</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, I could see that being true. I wonder too, if you feel that part of the reason you are so physically connected to your children is because you lacked that bond in the beginning, like do you feel like you are overcompensating as an adult kind of thing?</p><p>Julie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/7Cfm-MuexaTe6SKdoheqHhtDI-phDKfrb7yBqAtiPJkjVgWzm4oivIKkak1vWUiWCcH154d1FE-d5PaeiRgxugp5EGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=630.4" target="_blank"><u>10:30</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh, absolutely. I would say so. I was shocked when I had my daughter, how important it was for me to be skin to skin and my kids slept in the bed with me. I couldn’t have done it any other way and you know, it was such a strong. I was overwhelmed by the emotion I felt when I had them, especially my daughter the first time because I couldn’t… it never approached me the love that I would feel I would feel to them, and that’s what spurred me to move on to my, to completing my search and looking for my father.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/064-the-truth-is-stranger-than-fiction]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2190</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2020 05:35:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/1dc8f58b-5bbe-4217-8a95-3f492292d943/064-the-truth-is-stranger-than-fiction.mp3" length="46171939" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>48:06</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>3</itunes:season><itunes:episode>64</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>64</podcast:episode><podcast:season>3</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Julie describes herself as very independent from her parents’ influences and drastically different than her older adopted brother. She tells the story of finding her birth mother thanks to open access legislation in Australia and the gentle influence of a psychic she visited for fun. When her birth mother shared that her birth father could only be…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>051 – The Black Sheep Rocks The Boat</title><itunes:title>051 – The Black Sheep Rocks The Boat</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Megan says she put her adopted mother through the ringer emotionally when she was a teenager. She thinks that’s partially because of her anger with her birth mother over her relinquishment. Most adoptees have no clue whom they’re setting out to find when searching for biological relatives, but Megan knew precisely who her birth mother was and what she looked like. In reunion, she found her half-brother who knew Megan’s birth father’s identity, because they were friends.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/051-2/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">051 – The Black Sheep Rocks The Boat</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Megan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=4.88" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:04</a>):</p><p>He was basically robbed. You know, I felt so terrible for him. He was robbed of a child. He was only 23 when I was born and he didn't have any other children after me. So I was only titled and I felt really bad that he was robbed as having, you know, a child</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=27.47" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:27</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=38.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:38</a>):</p><p>This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Megan. She called me from Los Angeles. One of my favorite places. Megan says she put her adopted mother through the ringer emotionally when she was a teenager. And she thinks that's partially because of her anger with her birth mother over her relinquishment. Most adoptees have no clue whom they're setting out to find when searching for biological relatives. But Megan knew precisely who her birth mother was and what she looked like. In reunion she found her half brother who knew exactly who Megan's birth father was because they were friends. This is Megan's journey. Megan was born in Pomona, California. She's in her twenties and her parents are in their sixties. So they were closer in age to being her grandparents than parents, she says she has a loving family and she had a really great childhood despite feeling different from them. She calls herself a black sheep in the family</p><p>Megan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=106.31" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:46</a>):</p><p>I was adopted in like a great family. I was a little bit of a black sheep, or I thought I was, I still kind of feel that way, but my childhood was awesome. You know, like my family is so loving. My grandparents were so amazing. I almost like going back to being a kid. I almost didn't really feel adopted until I got into my teen years. And you know, every, every teenager goes through, you know, the hard times and the hormones go crazy. And, but my childhood was amazing. I wouldn't change anything for the world. It definitely got harder when I hit teenage years. For sure. That's when I noticed, okay, I'm adopted.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=144.62" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:24</a>):</p><p>Yeah. Tell me, tell me a little bit about that feeling of being a black sheep.</p><p>Megan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=148.88" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:28</a>):</p><p>It's weird because my younger sister, who's almost 16. She's also adopted from another family. And, um, that's actually where I noticed that the most, you know, she is so different than me and she doesn't want to know anything, not curious. And I've always screamed at the rooftops how much I need to know and how much I want to know. And my mom always had a really difficult time with me wanting to know and me talking about my birth mother and, um, you know, she never admitted it, but I think she was very threatened my birth mother, even though, obviously I didn't know her. So when I started hitting my teenage years, I started noticing like, okay, I'm so different from everyone in my family. It was, it was an alone feeling. It was very alone. It's very depressing because I just wanted to fit in and be like my family, even though, you know, I knew I never would be because I'm so different.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=199.35" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:19</a>):</p><p>Megan said, one way she's different from her family is her desire to openly explore feelings and emotions while her family is more quiet about some harder conversations, of course, getting non adoptees to understand your feelings. Even if they're your family can be really tough.</p><p>Megan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=216.75" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:36</a>):</p><p>Everyone's so quiet and they don't want to talk about anything. And I'm going to talk about everything. I want to dive deep and get into the real nitty gritty, ugly parts of everything of licensing adopted. And it seemed that it was not, it was almost like they didn't want me to talk about it. And it was kind of like hushed. My dad was a little different. He always kind of, I was felt like he understood. And it was nice to kind of have that confidant there, but it was mostly just, they don't talk about feelings and it it's hard for me because all I wanted to do. And when I did, it was like, I was shut down so much and it was hard for me. I kept a lot of that inside of me. And it really affected my mental health for a long time. It still does.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=259.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:19</a>):</p><p>mmhm] how do you mean effect? what do you mean by it affected your mental health? In what way?</p><p>Megan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=262.77" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:22</a>):</p><p>No, I censored myself a lot and I made myself small and I made myself as quiet as I can because I didn't want to fight. I didn't want to argue anymore. I didn't want to do any of those things. So I just kept myself quiet and small and I'm not quiet, not small for anyone that knows the I'm very loud and very passionate about everything I talk about, especially being an adoptee and adoption. And it's hard to kind of having to keep myself so quiet. It ate me up inside completely and really made me kind of act out and rebel.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=296.58" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:56</a>):</p><p>Megan said she invested 12 years in therapy to work through her emotions. I asked her about some of the ways she acted out.</p><p>Megan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=304.59" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:04</a>):</p><p>Oh gosh, I snuck out of the house. I lit up cigarettes and I was like 15. And I just did everything. My mom said, no, you can't do it. No, you can't really do it. you can't go to the movies with your friends, I throw a temper tantrum and eventually I just go, you know, go anyway. Um, just anything she told me, Megan, you cannot do it. I said, yes, I can. And I did it school awful for me. I was very bad in school. I mean, I have a learning disability as well, which made it much more difficult. It was hard. It was really hard growing up and realizing that a lot of my issues were stems from my abandonment and how I felt inside. I felt I didn't feel worthy of love because I just felt, you know, if my birth mother couldn't love me and didn't want me, then why would anyone else? And I really pushed everyone away and especially my mom and my parents, and I just did anything, anything I could to piss them off and make it difficult for them. You know, I'm in my thirties and my mother has grey hair.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=366.13" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:06</a>):</p><p>Was there a while there where your rebellion was unconscious. And then as you started to really begin to identify with your own adoption, that it became more conscious or vice versa. Do you know what I mean?</p><p>Megan (<a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Megan says she put her adopted mother through the ringer emotionally when she was a teenager. She thinks that’s partially because of her anger with her birth mother over her relinquishment. Most adoptees have no clue whom they’re setting out to find when searching for biological relatives, but Megan knew precisely who her birth mother was and what she looked like. In reunion, she found her half-brother who knew Megan’s birth father’s identity, because they were friends.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/051-2/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">051 – The Black Sheep Rocks The Boat</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Megan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=4.88" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:04</a>):</p><p>He was basically robbed. You know, I felt so terrible for him. He was robbed of a child. He was only 23 when I was born and he didn't have any other children after me. So I was only titled and I felt really bad that he was robbed as having, you know, a child</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=27.47" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:27</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=38.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:38</a>):</p><p>This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Megan. She called me from Los Angeles. One of my favorite places. Megan says she put her adopted mother through the ringer emotionally when she was a teenager. And she thinks that's partially because of her anger with her birth mother over her relinquishment. Most adoptees have no clue whom they're setting out to find when searching for biological relatives. But Megan knew precisely who her birth mother was and what she looked like. In reunion she found her half brother who knew exactly who Megan's birth father was because they were friends. This is Megan's journey. Megan was born in Pomona, California. She's in her twenties and her parents are in their sixties. So they were closer in age to being her grandparents than parents, she says she has a loving family and she had a really great childhood despite feeling different from them. She calls herself a black sheep in the family</p><p>Megan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=106.31" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:46</a>):</p><p>I was adopted in like a great family. I was a little bit of a black sheep, or I thought I was, I still kind of feel that way, but my childhood was awesome. You know, like my family is so loving. My grandparents were so amazing. I almost like going back to being a kid. I almost didn't really feel adopted until I got into my teen years. And you know, every, every teenager goes through, you know, the hard times and the hormones go crazy. And, but my childhood was amazing. I wouldn't change anything for the world. It definitely got harder when I hit teenage years. For sure. That's when I noticed, okay, I'm adopted.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=144.62" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:24</a>):</p><p>Yeah. Tell me, tell me a little bit about that feeling of being a black sheep.</p><p>Megan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=148.88" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:28</a>):</p><p>It's weird because my younger sister, who's almost 16. She's also adopted from another family. And, um, that's actually where I noticed that the most, you know, she is so different than me and she doesn't want to know anything, not curious. And I've always screamed at the rooftops how much I need to know and how much I want to know. And my mom always had a really difficult time with me wanting to know and me talking about my birth mother and, um, you know, she never admitted it, but I think she was very threatened my birth mother, even though, obviously I didn't know her. So when I started hitting my teenage years, I started noticing like, okay, I'm so different from everyone in my family. It was, it was an alone feeling. It was very alone. It's very depressing because I just wanted to fit in and be like my family, even though, you know, I knew I never would be because I'm so different.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=199.35" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:19</a>):</p><p>Megan said, one way she's different from her family is her desire to openly explore feelings and emotions while her family is more quiet about some harder conversations, of course, getting non adoptees to understand your feelings. Even if they're your family can be really tough.</p><p>Megan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=216.75" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:36</a>):</p><p>Everyone's so quiet and they don't want to talk about anything. And I'm going to talk about everything. I want to dive deep and get into the real nitty gritty, ugly parts of everything of licensing adopted. And it seemed that it was not, it was almost like they didn't want me to talk about it. And it was kind of like hushed. My dad was a little different. He always kind of, I was felt like he understood. And it was nice to kind of have that confidant there, but it was mostly just, they don't talk about feelings and it it's hard for me because all I wanted to do. And when I did, it was like, I was shut down so much and it was hard for me. I kept a lot of that inside of me. And it really affected my mental health for a long time. It still does.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=259.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:19</a>):</p><p>mmhm] how do you mean effect? what do you mean by it affected your mental health? In what way?</p><p>Megan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=262.77" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:22</a>):</p><p>No, I censored myself a lot and I made myself small and I made myself as quiet as I can because I didn't want to fight. I didn't want to argue anymore. I didn't want to do any of those things. So I just kept myself quiet and small and I'm not quiet, not small for anyone that knows the I'm very loud and very passionate about everything I talk about, especially being an adoptee and adoption. And it's hard to kind of having to keep myself so quiet. It ate me up inside completely and really made me kind of act out and rebel.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=296.58" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:56</a>):</p><p>Megan said she invested 12 years in therapy to work through her emotions. I asked her about some of the ways she acted out.</p><p>Megan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=304.59" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:04</a>):</p><p>Oh gosh, I snuck out of the house. I lit up cigarettes and I was like 15. And I just did everything. My mom said, no, you can't do it. No, you can't really do it. you can't go to the movies with your friends, I throw a temper tantrum and eventually I just go, you know, go anyway. Um, just anything she told me, Megan, you cannot do it. I said, yes, I can. And I did it school awful for me. I was very bad in school. I mean, I have a learning disability as well, which made it much more difficult. It was hard. It was really hard growing up and realizing that a lot of my issues were stems from my abandonment and how I felt inside. I felt I didn't feel worthy of love because I just felt, you know, if my birth mother couldn't love me and didn't want me, then why would anyone else? And I really pushed everyone away and especially my mom and my parents, and I just did anything, anything I could to piss them off and make it difficult for them. You know, I'm in my thirties and my mother has grey hair.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=366.13" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:06</a>):</p><p>Was there a while there where your rebellion was unconscious. And then as you started to really begin to identify with your own adoption, that it became more conscious or vice versa. Do you know what I mean?</p><p>Megan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=382.72" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:22</a>):</p><p>Um, I don't think it was ever really conscious. I kind of think, well, I guess it was because as I got older, I realized probably about 17 is when I really calmed down. I think I realized that I was so mean and angry and just act it out against mainly my mother. It was really mostly my mother wasn't my father, because I was so angry at my birth mother and I can't, I couldn't take it out on her. So I took it out on the closest person I could, which was my mother. So, um, I think in a way it was conscious, but a lot of it, I think I didn't really, I just wanted to be that cause that got me attention being good. Didn't get any attention being bad. Don't need the most attention. So I think that's why I really just pushed everyone's limits.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=426.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:06</a>):</p><p>I wondered about Megan's sister, also an adoptee who is seven years, her junior. She said her younger sister is an angel compared to her at that same age, her sister's a great kid. She actually listens to their mother and gets straight A's in school.</p><p>Megan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=442.9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:22</a>):</p><p>A lot of times I've heard that, you know, two adopted siblings are polar opposites. And with me couldn't be more true. She's very quiet about her feelings. She doesn't really talk about it a lot. She doesn't talk about her adoption. It doesn't seem to affect her the same way it did me. It's so different and how she is now than when I was her age.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=463.33" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:43</a>):</p><p>Wow. That's fascinating.</p><p>Megan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=465.311" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:45</a>):</p><p>And I think it could be because I don't know, part of me thinks she saw so much of it that she doesn't ask like me, so she doesn't end up the way that me and my mom were, if that makes any sense.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=478.63" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:58</a>):</p><p>Yeah. Yeah. There's definitely those folks out there who see the example of what they don't want to be and they are like,</p><p>Megan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=483.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:03</a>):</p><p>yeah.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=483.94" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:03</a>):</p><p>And they guide their life by that influence. So I could see that being true. Megan admits she's put her adopted mother through the ringer in her teenage years. So I wanted to know what catalyzed her desire to search for her natural relatives. She said, she's always wanted to search. And she always searched a little bit here and there. When she was 17, her grandmother passed away and simultaneously her anger over her adoption dissipated a few months after her grandmother's death, Megan was working at a kiosk in the mall</p><p>Megan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=516.46" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:36</a>):</p><p>And this woman comes up and she buys something and I run her credit card and the receipt comes out and the name of receipt is the same exact name as my birth mother, even the middle initial. And I look at her and she's not my birth mother because I always had a picture of her. But for some reason I was so floored. I was like, Oh my God, that's so weird. What are the odds of, you know, this woman having the same exact first, middle and last name and my birth mother. So I started thinking and I contacted a couple of like private investigators. What was like hundreds of dollars and it was stupid. And then I just realized like, okay, like, I don't want to leave this world. Not knowing like I need to know. I couldn't, it didn't sit well with me being eight years old and regretting not looking</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=566.03" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:26</a>):</p><p>Megan started searching on her own in a Facebook group. Another woman shared her search and reunion experience with Megan.</p><p>Megan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=572.78" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:32</a>):</p><p>She said it was the best thing I ever did in my life. You know, it's not fun. It can be really sad, but it's also really healing. And I was like, okay, you know what? I need that I need healing.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=583.07" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:43</a>):</p><p>Megan said she was 19 when she made that decision and her adopted mom was on board, but she also said something really interesting. I wonder if you caught it too. She said she knew her birth, mother's full name. And she always had a picture of her before we went any further. I really wanted to know more about how she had identifying information about the woman.</p><p>Megan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=603.71" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:03</a>):</p><p>Well, when I was younger, probably 10, maybe a little younger, my mom pulled out a picture of me as a baby was probably in the picture, I think about four months old, three, three or four months old. And there was a woman holding me and she was like, this is your birth mother. And I asked her, how did you get this? And I guess the social worker, when they're going through my adoption, the social worker with the photo in my file. And she said, don't tell anyone I did that. I'm not supposed to do this. So she secretly put that picture in my file for me to have later in life, which I'm so grateful for, because it really helped me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=640.49" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:40</a>):</p><p>That's amazing. How did that help you to have her picture?</p><p>Megan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=644.42" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:44</a>):</p><p>It was nice. At least growing up. I could look at one face that looked like me because I'm so much like my birth mother and I didn't realize it so much until I was in reunion. And I saw other people that looked like me and looked like her, but it was nice to see, you know, her smiling and holding me, even though, obviously that was the day she actually signed her rights to me away, which was obviously a very sad day. But you know, she looks semi happy to have that picture of her.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=674.51" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:14</a>):</p><p>Wow. Yeah. It is a bitter sweet picture</p><p>Megan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=675.801" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:15</a>):</p><p>And I got to, I got to show people like, Oh, you know, this is her. It's like, Oh my gosh. She looks just like her. So that was really comforting to have,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=683.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:23</a>):</p><p>I can imagine. Yeah. That's fascinating.</p><p>Megan (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=688.58" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:28</a>):</p><p>Very nice. Is that a social worker to do that?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pFpKuJ7KfDYifki0Uo20FOKBqAyfIthThPc4LUH521ZaH6dI_tvDkSzChRrDfmU4VaxeRvMPPDTgOPKwzWd1b-xUQ0A?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=691.94" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:31</a>):</p><p>Yeah. That's that some people out there to just have a big heart and they know sort of the right thing to do, but I can't help, but wonder if having actually seen her and have an identity associated with the person that put...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/051-the-black-sheep-rocks-the-boat-2]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1912</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2020 04:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/f6dd79f1-b58d-4810-a791-14eaec699910/051-the-black-sheep-rocks-the-boat-final.mp3" length="36947362" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>38:29</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>51</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>51</podcast:episode><itunes:summary>Megan says she put her adopted mother through the ringer emotionally when she was a teenager. She thinks that’s partially because of her anger with her birth mother over her relinquishment. Most adoptees have no clue whom they’re setting out to find when searching for biological relatives, but Megan knew precisely who her birth mother…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>044 – She Never Met Me, But She Saw Me</title><itunes:title>044 – She Never Met Me, But She Saw Me</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Angie lived a split life as a child in small-town Mississippi. During the week her mother had her in all kinds of activities and her stepfather was her rock. On the weekends her dad exposed her to alcohol, drugs, and abuse. Through it all, she suspected that she was adopted but her mother lied about it for 19 years. In reunion, Angie learned that her birth mother had seen her several times as a little girl on the Gulf Coast of Mississippi. She got healing from her birth mother who said she always loved Angie and developed a cherished bond with her paternal grandmother who helped her navigate her emotions over her biological father.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/044-never-met-saw/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">044 – She Never Met Me, But She Saw Me</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Angie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=4.5" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:04</a>):</p><p>When we got to our house, you know, we were getting ready for bed late and she says, you know, I just have to tell you something and I don't want it to scare you. And I don't want it to, you know, make you think I'm crazy. And I said, what? And she said, when I hugged you, she said, I felt like 42 years just went away. And she said, I felt my baby girl again. And I thought, I said, I did too,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=32.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:32</a>):</p><p>who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Angie. She called from Panama city, Florida where she and her husband live on the Bay. But Angie grew up in Mississippi with a tragic story in her childhood, but it was her normal. She didn't know she was adopted as a child, but she suspected it. And she asked about it. She was shooed away from the topic as a teenager. Her first son's medical needs meant she had to have a conversation with her adopted mother about the truth. That didn't go very well. When Angie's second son was born, her search began in earnest, but was boxed in by the small town community where everyone knew one another. So news of someone's adoption search traveled fast.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=93.78" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:33</a>):</p><p>After years of waiting. She finally did a DNA test in 2017 and was in touch with her family that same day when she met her birth mother, the healing was an unreal experience where her mother admitted she had definitely seen Angie as a child. This is Angie's journey. Angie thinks of her story as a bit of a fairy tale, starting off very harshly, but ending in a beautiful way. She grew up in central Mississippi in a very small town that only has two traffic lights and is still paved with bricks from the old days. It's the kind of place where literally everyone knows everyone else. When Angie was five years old, her parents divorced her adopted mother remarried and amazing man whom Angie adores.</p><p>Angie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=140.63" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:20</a>):</p><p>My adopted father was abusive. He was an alcoholic and an addict. So that was, you know, my horror story because I still had to go visit him on the weekends. So I grew up in a situation where I had to grow up very quickly. I mean, I saw things most people don't see until they are in their adulthood. And you know, even then they don't choose to see it. But my adopted mom remarried when I was six and she married an amazing man. And if I get a little choked up it's because he was my hero. He was everything. He was my daddy. He is who I call daddy, my adopted father. I call him by his first name. We've actually been estranged for 15 years now. And for good reason, you know, my mom, my mom had me in dance and gymnastics and every I started playing softball when I was five. To me, it was a normal childhood. And then on the weekends, you know, I had the horse show. So I kind of grew up like a split personality almost. I didn't know what bipolar was then, but you know, you get older and you learn what things are. But I almost felt like my life was either a double life or I was, you know, in a whole other realm or it was just, it was crazy to look back on.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=225.88" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:45</a>):</p><p>Did you catch what Angie said? She had to grow up very quickly seeing things that even adults sometimes choose not to see. She's about to explain some of the things she witnessed in her youth, the things she should not have been exposed to.</p><p>Angie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=239.71" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:59</a>):</p><p>I was eight years old when I learned how to drive. He taught me how to drive because he needed somebody to pick him up from the bars. Cause he was too drunk to drive home. So my first time driving a vehicle by myself, I think I was actually nine years old. And it was about one in the morning.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=258.86" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:18</a>):</p><p>What</p><p>Angie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=259.09" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:19</a>):</p><p>I've been. Yeah. I would spend Friday nights asleep in the front seat of his truck at the local brothel and it's a nice word to use for it. And then as I got older, I actually was brought into it. Um, and the lady who ran it would actually stick me in a back room for the night and I've actually had them call my mom to come pick me up from there. Uh, yeah. You know, I grew up with him having poker parties every weekend and alcohol and drugs, you know, being served like hors d'oeuvres and it was the local attorneys and judges and sheriff deputies. And you know, I, I, my best friend and I, um, she's kind of the only one that I can talk to. And you know, who knows all my secrets, you know, her and I have discussed, I could write a book and completely annihilate the entire existence and the salts of everyone in that city, because of all the dark secrets that I have. It, it was a very, uh, it was a tough childhood at the time. It was normal to me. But now that I look back on it, it's, it's horrific. It's stuff that children shouldn't see.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=325.53" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:25</a>):</p><p>She was driving a motor vehicle on the road with adults at nine years old because of his substance abuse for a kid, if that's your normal, you don't realize that an adult trusting you to be the responsible driver is abnormal at best not to mention completely irresponsible and illegal. Angie told me her adopted father was married seven times with countless girlfriends moving into and out of his home along the way. Thankfully, she had a much better and more appropriate lifestyle in her mother's home during the workweek counter balancing abominable behavior of her adoptive father on the weekends, she admits she loves her adopted mother, but it was her daddy, her mother's second husband, who was her rock,</p><p>Angie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=367.33" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:07</a>):</p><p>my mom and I never connected. We never had that mother daughter bond. We loved each other. Um, I loved that woman immensely and I know she loved me, but, um, you know, when she married my stepdad, he was everything that her and my adopted father never worked. He was nurturing and caring and supportive and he encouraged me and he gave me all of that, that I was missing. So, you know, he was, he was my, everything. I talked to him about all my problems. You know, I asked him about boys. It was, it was kind of like he was the mom and the dad in the family, you know, Monday through Friday, it was great. I mean, I, I loved my life at that house. And then, you know, Friday through Sunday, seven miles away, it was, you know, the horror show. So</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=425.27" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:05</a>):</p><p>did you, did you get a sense that your mom knew what he was doing? And at any point when you were older, did you resist going into that horror show?</p><p>Angie (<a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angie lived a split life as a child in small-town Mississippi. During the week her mother had her in all kinds of activities and her stepfather was her rock. On the weekends her dad exposed her to alcohol, drugs, and abuse. Through it all, she suspected that she was adopted but her mother lied about it for 19 years. In reunion, Angie learned that her birth mother had seen her several times as a little girl on the Gulf Coast of Mississippi. She got healing from her birth mother who said she always loved Angie and developed a cherished bond with her paternal grandmother who helped her navigate her emotions over her biological father.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/044-never-met-saw/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">044 – She Never Met Me, But She Saw Me</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Angie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=4.5" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:04</a>):</p><p>When we got to our house, you know, we were getting ready for bed late and she says, you know, I just have to tell you something and I don't want it to scare you. And I don't want it to, you know, make you think I'm crazy. And I said, what? And she said, when I hugged you, she said, I felt like 42 years just went away. And she said, I felt my baby girl again. And I thought, I said, I did too,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=32.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:32</a>):</p><p>who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Angie. She called from Panama city, Florida where she and her husband live on the Bay. But Angie grew up in Mississippi with a tragic story in her childhood, but it was her normal. She didn't know she was adopted as a child, but she suspected it. And she asked about it. She was shooed away from the topic as a teenager. Her first son's medical needs meant she had to have a conversation with her adopted mother about the truth. That didn't go very well. When Angie's second son was born, her search began in earnest, but was boxed in by the small town community where everyone knew one another. So news of someone's adoption search traveled fast.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=93.78" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:33</a>):</p><p>After years of waiting. She finally did a DNA test in 2017 and was in touch with her family that same day when she met her birth mother, the healing was an unreal experience where her mother admitted she had definitely seen Angie as a child. This is Angie's journey. Angie thinks of her story as a bit of a fairy tale, starting off very harshly, but ending in a beautiful way. She grew up in central Mississippi in a very small town that only has two traffic lights and is still paved with bricks from the old days. It's the kind of place where literally everyone knows everyone else. When Angie was five years old, her parents divorced her adopted mother remarried and amazing man whom Angie adores.</p><p>Angie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=140.63" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:20</a>):</p><p>My adopted father was abusive. He was an alcoholic and an addict. So that was, you know, my horror story because I still had to go visit him on the weekends. So I grew up in a situation where I had to grow up very quickly. I mean, I saw things most people don't see until they are in their adulthood. And you know, even then they don't choose to see it. But my adopted mom remarried when I was six and she married an amazing man. And if I get a little choked up it's because he was my hero. He was everything. He was my daddy. He is who I call daddy, my adopted father. I call him by his first name. We've actually been estranged for 15 years now. And for good reason, you know, my mom, my mom had me in dance and gymnastics and every I started playing softball when I was five. To me, it was a normal childhood. And then on the weekends, you know, I had the horse show. So I kind of grew up like a split personality almost. I didn't know what bipolar was then, but you know, you get older and you learn what things are. But I almost felt like my life was either a double life or I was, you know, in a whole other realm or it was just, it was crazy to look back on.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=225.88" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:45</a>):</p><p>Did you catch what Angie said? She had to grow up very quickly seeing things that even adults sometimes choose not to see. She's about to explain some of the things she witnessed in her youth, the things she should not have been exposed to.</p><p>Angie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=239.71" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:59</a>):</p><p>I was eight years old when I learned how to drive. He taught me how to drive because he needed somebody to pick him up from the bars. Cause he was too drunk to drive home. So my first time driving a vehicle by myself, I think I was actually nine years old. And it was about one in the morning.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=258.86" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:18</a>):</p><p>What</p><p>Angie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=259.09" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:19</a>):</p><p>I've been. Yeah. I would spend Friday nights asleep in the front seat of his truck at the local brothel and it's a nice word to use for it. And then as I got older, I actually was brought into it. Um, and the lady who ran it would actually stick me in a back room for the night and I've actually had them call my mom to come pick me up from there. Uh, yeah. You know, I grew up with him having poker parties every weekend and alcohol and drugs, you know, being served like hors d'oeuvres and it was the local attorneys and judges and sheriff deputies. And you know, I, I, my best friend and I, um, she's kind of the only one that I can talk to. And you know, who knows all my secrets, you know, her and I have discussed, I could write a book and completely annihilate the entire existence and the salts of everyone in that city, because of all the dark secrets that I have. It, it was a very, uh, it was a tough childhood at the time. It was normal to me. But now that I look back on it, it's, it's horrific. It's stuff that children shouldn't see.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=325.53" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:25</a>):</p><p>She was driving a motor vehicle on the road with adults at nine years old because of his substance abuse for a kid, if that's your normal, you don't realize that an adult trusting you to be the responsible driver is abnormal at best not to mention completely irresponsible and illegal. Angie told me her adopted father was married seven times with countless girlfriends moving into and out of his home along the way. Thankfully, she had a much better and more appropriate lifestyle in her mother's home during the workweek counter balancing abominable behavior of her adoptive father on the weekends, she admits she loves her adopted mother, but it was her daddy, her mother's second husband, who was her rock,</p><p>Angie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=367.33" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:07</a>):</p><p>my mom and I never connected. We never had that mother daughter bond. We loved each other. Um, I loved that woman immensely and I know she loved me, but, um, you know, when she married my stepdad, he was everything that her and my adopted father never worked. He was nurturing and caring and supportive and he encouraged me and he gave me all of that, that I was missing. So, you know, he was, he was my, everything. I talked to him about all my problems. You know, I asked him about boys. It was, it was kind of like he was the mom and the dad in the family, you know, Monday through Friday, it was great. I mean, I, I loved my life at that house. And then, you know, Friday through Sunday, seven miles away, it was, you know, the horror show. So</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=425.27" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:05</a>):</p><p>did you, did you get a sense that your mom knew what he was doing? And at any point when you were older, did you resist going into that horror show?</p><p>Angie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=435.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:15</a>):</p><p>I started telling my mom what he was doing when the, the physical sexual abuse started. I told her when I was 12 and she didn't, I can't say that she didn't believe me, but she didn't concern her enough to keep me from it.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=453.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:33</a>):</p><p>She didn't take it seriously enough.</p><p>Angie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=456.2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:36</a>):</p><p>I don't think that was the case. Looking back, I feel like she felt her hands were tied because of his connections in the community that I don't think she could have done anything about it.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=469.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:49</a>):</p><p>Was he a prominent guy in the community?</p><p>Angie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=471.96" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:51</a>):</p><p>He was not, but all of his friends were, and he was basically their supplier. You know, you have court judges and district attorneys and Sheriff's deputies. And they come to his house on the weekends and there's drugs and booze and women. And I mean, he's their get away. And you know, I don't know if my mom thought this, but this is why I never went anywhere with it. Who's going to believe a 19 year old little girl, you know, who who's gonna believe that. But in her case, I went back on it and thinking, well, maybe she felt like who's going to believe this.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=506.26" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:26</a>):</p><p>There was no lawyer who could represent the case for the child. Endangerment. Angie lived through everyone in town was her adopted father's weekend escape buddy. And no one would corroborate her stories against him. Sadly, Angie said she was physically and sexually abused too. So I couldn't help wondering how her mother continued to let her go to the man's house every weekend. Eventually Angie arrived at a hypothesis for why, which she is still trying every day to forgive her mother for,</p><p>Angie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=535.8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:55</a>):</p><p>she passed away five years ago and it's taking me five years to forgive her. And it's a daily struggle to this day to keep, to forgive her. Because as a mom, like I would have tore down, you know, the whole town and burned it to protect my child</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=554.88" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:14</a>):</p><p>if she knew even. And I hope you'll forgive me. I don't by any means mean to minimize what you went through personally. But if I know, if my mom knew that my dad was taken me to brothels and I was driving his car and like all that other stuff, she would've been like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We are not doing this. But obviously the added layer of, of abuse would have been, that would have been it. And I just, I just wondered. Wow. Why would she continue to let you go back to that?</p><p>Angie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=587.51" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:47</a>):</p><p>Yeah. And I, I struggle with that to this day. Um, because the reason she left him was for the alcohol, the drug addiction, the abuse, the affairs, she left him for that reason. And then she, and, and then she didn't just let me go back. It was almost like she kept sending me. I've actually talked to one of my aunts a lot. Yeah. Since my mom passed. And you know, we think that her weekends with my stepdad were just more important to her because she had that, that alone time. And she got to be the number one in his life. Because Monday through Friday, I was, there was a lot of jealousy with my mother. She was, she's a very complex person, but I can see her is that person now. And not as my mother, you know, I look at her as who she was and what she went through in her life. And what, you know, I guess, calls her to make the decisions that she did.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=642.49" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:42</a>):</p><p>So that horror story was Angie's foundation for childhood. Also, she didn't actually know that she was adopted. She asked multiple times over the years, but her mother hid the truth. Then when Angie was a teenager, she felt confident there was something amiss. She confronted her mother again.</p><p>Angie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=662.26" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:02</a>):</p><p>I suspected it. And I even asked, but I was never told yes, I was, I was, it was always denied. No, you're not. But I think around 14, my best friend and I were just kind of like, okay, this doesn't make sense. You know, this isn't adding up. This doesn't add up. People are saying stuff. And I went to her and I said, I have a question. And she said, what? And I said, am I adopted? And you know, my response to my own child would be, have you lost your mind? No, you're not adopted. Look at you. You look like this person, this person, you know, no, her response was no. And don't worry about this anymore. I'm tired of you acting like, you know, you're different. You're not. And I got shooed away at 14, 14. I mean, I've had, I've been through three 14 year olds.</p><p>Angie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=710.51" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:50</a>):</p><p>You've got, you've got it set in your mind. You're not stupid. And that was my answer. I knew something was up. So then at that point, you know, we started coming up with these scenarios. I knew my birth, my adopted father was fooling around. I knew he had so many wives. So we thought maybe he had an affair. And she, you know, they, she took me in. She adopted me, you know, that would make why else would she be? So, um, I used to work cruel because that's the only word I, I know for it. You know, why else would you send your child into this den of debauchery every weekend if I wasn't hers. So I knew for a fact, I knew in my heart, I was not her child. I did not know that I was not. now on a side note, my mother was diabetic. She had juvenile diabetes. So she had a hysterectomy when she was 17, so she could not have children. So that nurture bond that comes in when you birth a child, she didn't have, she didn't have it. She didn't know any way to get it. I hold. That is a main reason why her and I never clicked and why she couldn't ever understand the role of a parent. You know, that unconditional unwavering love no matter what, she just didn't have it. I mean, all, all of everything that made her a woman was gone at 17.</p><p>Speaker 4 (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=795.09" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:15</a>):</p><p>Yeah. I could see how the Nate, the nature to nurture just would not kick in. I mean, if you're supposed to be at a place in your life, as you get to be a young woman and your hormones are starting to click and make you feel like it's time to start thinking about a family, like if all of that has been surgically removed, you're not going to be in a position to feel that about a child. I know I should probably take that back actually, because I would imagine that that could also be a very driving factor for why a woman might feel a need to adopt a child and actually really try hard to connect because she couldn't do that for whatever adverse reasons. So I'm wondering about her, her history, you said, uh, it sounded like you were saying that she had, had her own challenged history, even outside of the relationship with your adoptive father.</p><p>Angie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/0EFKtduZRuJzaQyqY00BbMMTs8sTkYjA3eQm7o6Ni4ddc3N4c5bcriU-Wnt5Jysapp-7qyeyShKWvHGieTwIOvk3keY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=845.71" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">14:05</a>):</p><p>Yes. Growing up, I always knew that my mother had an older sister that passed away in childbirth and that, um, my mother never knew her. She passed away before my mother was born, which I didn't find odd at the time. You know? Cause you're talking about the fifties, the forties in the fifties, you know, my...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/044-she-never-met-me-but-she-saw-me-2]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1857</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2020 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/6e6ac32d-b52f-4226-a0ff-f06e9baca0c7/044-angie-brooks-final.mp3" length="50095942" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>52:11</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>44</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>44</podcast:episode><itunes:summary>Angie lived a split life as a child in small-town Mississippi. During the week her mother had her in all kinds of activities and her stepfather was her rock. On the weekends her dad exposed her to alcohol, drugs, and abuse. Through it all, she suspected that she was adopted but her mother lied about…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>026 – I’ve Got A Second Mom And I Can Love Them Both</title><itunes:title>026 – I’ve Got A Second Mom And I Can Love Them Both</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>At 16 years old, Ron&nbsp;decided to satisfy his curiosity about his first family. But his search was challenging. He was born on a South Carolina Air Force Base that had closed, the internet didn’t have the reach that it has now, and AncestryDNA’s connections didn’t help. He recruited the help of a search angel who recognized important information in the search that Ron hadn’t seen before. In the end, his mother was glad to be found, and he got some&nbsp;answers about himself and his family. Check out Ron’s site <a href="http://www.findingtruefamily.com" target="_blank">FindingTrueFamily.com</a></p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/026-ive-got-second-mom-can-love/" target="_blank">026 – I’ve Got A Second Mom And I Can Love Them Both</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Ron (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=3.25" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:03</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I pick up my phone, I start dialing the number and my hands are shaking. I'm bawling like a baby, you know, 42 year old bawling like a baby. I just, I, there was no way I could make it go and I'm not even sure what I was afraid of or why I couldn't do it, but I just could not do it.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=27.56" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:27</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=38.8" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:38</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Ron from South Carolina. He says his reunion journey started in his teens but didn't yield any results until he was in his forties. During that time, he tried a variety of tactics to try to locate someone that he was related to who might have some helpful information about his birth family. In the end, the amazing work of his search angel led him to his birth mother and his relatives in Missouri and North Carolina. Ron was born in 1974 and placed for adoption immediately. His family expanded in 1980 when his parents adopted Ron's sister, whom you'll meet in a later episode. Ron shared that he grew up with the knowledge that he was adopted and had a good life with his family, but he always had that natural curiosity to search for his original family. It was about 16 years old when he began his search. I asked why that age was the time he began the journey.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Ron (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=111.99" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:51</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, I was, uh, you know, of course, born in 1974, um, placed for adoption pretty much immediately. Was actually adopted by one family and for whatever reason it didn't work out, so they had to send me back. Um, but I was only eight or nine months old when my adoptive parents and got me. So, you know, obviously I have no memory of the first one. Um, I've known since day one since before I could understand that I was adopted and that, uh, you know, the story I was always told and heard that is relatively true, that my birth mom was a young girl. Uh, 16 years old, couldn't take care of me. So she wanted to place me for adoption. So that a family that could take better care of me could uh, raise me. So like I've always known I was adopted. My parents adopted another child, my sister and I about the same time I reconnected with my birth mom, she found her birth mom.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=166.93" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:46</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I asked Ron what kinds of thoughts or expectations he had about his search before it began. He says he knew it could unfold many different ways. So he steeled himself for what things might happen. Ron went his search with no real expectations. He really just wanted to satisfy his curiosities. He had no hard feelings about being placed in adoption and he was thankful for the life he had led. Still, Ron braced himself for the possibilities that his mother might not want anything to do with him. And there was a specific physical trait about himself that he wanted to know the origins of.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Ron (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=200.1" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:20</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, I, you know, like I said, it had always been a curiosity of mine just to know, you know, who my, who, my birth family was. I think more my birth mother. That's really the only, only one I was ever concerned about. And I guess that's because department of social services in South Carolina would not release non identifying information to a child until they were 16 so my parents always told me that, you know, if, if you want to search for her, we'll help you every step of the way, you know when you turn 16 you can order that information and you know, we'll see where it leads. Of course at the time, and it's been what, 27 years ago or so, there was no Ancestry DNA. Internet was in its infancy. I was already active on the internet, but it still wasn't a, it didn't have near the reach it does today. So, you know, it really wasn't, it wasn't a need to know, you know, just, just the curiosity that I had to satisfy.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=250.43" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:10</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So you, you reached out at 16 at the very age that you were legally able to do so. What kinds of thoughts did you have prior to 16 years old about your search and what you might find and what you hoped for?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Ron (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=261.77" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:21</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">You know, it's funny because from day one, I don't think I had any real expectations, but I knew that, you know, that was a very good possibility that my birth mother, you know, might want absolutely nothing to do with me. You know, I didn't really set up high expectations. It was just, just that curiosity and I wanted to satisfy, you know, it, I had no hard feelings about being adopted, about being placed for adoption. You know, it was, I had a relatively normal life, you know, it just, uh, now I, I do have a, uh, what's always been called a birthmark that kind of my left ear is a bit deformed and I always kinda wondered if that could run in the family.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=302.81" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:02</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">You're 16, you've reached out to social services and they've given you what I believe you said was non identifying information. So what did you do next?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Ron (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=310.97" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:10</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, I had that information and I learned that, you know, my birth mother was 16, which I already knew. I learned that she lived on Myrtle Beach Air Force base so she could be from anywhere in the country. Uh, so that, that was a little bit disheartening in the search. But I went to Myrtle Beach and just poured through the, you know, microfiche um, newspapers and tried to contact several people that had been stationed at Myrtle Beach Air Force base before it closed. Um, because I also find out from their information at my birth mom had worked for the, uh, officer's club at Myrtle Beach Air Force base and it was just kind of my feeling that you know, perhaps there weren't that many 16 year olds working in there at the time cause I didn't have a clue. Um, but it was just a lot of dead ends. There was, you know, I had no direction. It was just basically, you know, looking for a needle in a haystack with...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At 16 years old, Ron&nbsp;decided to satisfy his curiosity about his first family. But his search was challenging. He was born on a South Carolina Air Force Base that had closed, the internet didn’t have the reach that it has now, and AncestryDNA’s connections didn’t help. He recruited the help of a search angel who recognized important information in the search that Ron hadn’t seen before. In the end, his mother was glad to be found, and he got some&nbsp;answers about himself and his family. Check out Ron’s site <a href="http://www.findingtruefamily.com" target="_blank">FindingTrueFamily.com</a></p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/026-ive-got-second-mom-can-love/" target="_blank">026 – I’ve Got A Second Mom And I Can Love Them Both</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Ron (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=3.25" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:03</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I pick up my phone, I start dialing the number and my hands are shaking. I'm bawling like a baby, you know, 42 year old bawling like a baby. I just, I, there was no way I could make it go and I'm not even sure what I was afraid of or why I couldn't do it, but I just could not do it.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=27.56" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:27</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=38.8" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:38</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Ron from South Carolina. He says his reunion journey started in his teens but didn't yield any results until he was in his forties. During that time, he tried a variety of tactics to try to locate someone that he was related to who might have some helpful information about his birth family. In the end, the amazing work of his search angel led him to his birth mother and his relatives in Missouri and North Carolina. Ron was born in 1974 and placed for adoption immediately. His family expanded in 1980 when his parents adopted Ron's sister, whom you'll meet in a later episode. Ron shared that he grew up with the knowledge that he was adopted and had a good life with his family, but he always had that natural curiosity to search for his original family. It was about 16 years old when he began his search. I asked why that age was the time he began the journey.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Ron (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=111.99" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:51</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, I was, uh, you know, of course, born in 1974, um, placed for adoption pretty much immediately. Was actually adopted by one family and for whatever reason it didn't work out, so they had to send me back. Um, but I was only eight or nine months old when my adoptive parents and got me. So, you know, obviously I have no memory of the first one. Um, I've known since day one since before I could understand that I was adopted and that, uh, you know, the story I was always told and heard that is relatively true, that my birth mom was a young girl. Uh, 16 years old, couldn't take care of me. So she wanted to place me for adoption. So that a family that could take better care of me could uh, raise me. So like I've always known I was adopted. My parents adopted another child, my sister and I about the same time I reconnected with my birth mom, she found her birth mom.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=166.93" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:46</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I asked Ron what kinds of thoughts or expectations he had about his search before it began. He says he knew it could unfold many different ways. So he steeled himself for what things might happen. Ron went his search with no real expectations. He really just wanted to satisfy his curiosities. He had no hard feelings about being placed in adoption and he was thankful for the life he had led. Still, Ron braced himself for the possibilities that his mother might not want anything to do with him. And there was a specific physical trait about himself that he wanted to know the origins of.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Ron (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=200.1" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:20</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, I, you know, like I said, it had always been a curiosity of mine just to know, you know, who my, who, my birth family was. I think more my birth mother. That's really the only, only one I was ever concerned about. And I guess that's because department of social services in South Carolina would not release non identifying information to a child until they were 16 so my parents always told me that, you know, if, if you want to search for her, we'll help you every step of the way, you know when you turn 16 you can order that information and you know, we'll see where it leads. Of course at the time, and it's been what, 27 years ago or so, there was no Ancestry DNA. Internet was in its infancy. I was already active on the internet, but it still wasn't a, it didn't have near the reach it does today. So, you know, it really wasn't, it wasn't a need to know, you know, just, just the curiosity that I had to satisfy.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=250.43" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:10</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So you, you reached out at 16 at the very age that you were legally able to do so. What kinds of thoughts did you have prior to 16 years old about your search and what you might find and what you hoped for?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Ron (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=261.77" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:21</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">You know, it's funny because from day one, I don't think I had any real expectations, but I knew that, you know, that was a very good possibility that my birth mother, you know, might want absolutely nothing to do with me. You know, I didn't really set up high expectations. It was just, just that curiosity and I wanted to satisfy, you know, it, I had no hard feelings about being adopted, about being placed for adoption. You know, it was, I had a relatively normal life, you know, it just, uh, now I, I do have a, uh, what's always been called a birthmark that kind of my left ear is a bit deformed and I always kinda wondered if that could run in the family.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=302.81" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:02</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">You're 16, you've reached out to social services and they've given you what I believe you said was non identifying information. So what did you do next?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Ron (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=310.97" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:10</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, I had that information and I learned that, you know, my birth mother was 16, which I already knew. I learned that she lived on Myrtle Beach Air Force base so she could be from anywhere in the country. Uh, so that, that was a little bit disheartening in the search. But I went to Myrtle Beach and just poured through the, you know, microfiche um, newspapers and tried to contact several people that had been stationed at Myrtle Beach Air Force base before it closed. Um, because I also find out from their information at my birth mom had worked for the, uh, officer's club at Myrtle Beach Air Force base and it was just kind of my feeling that you know, perhaps there weren't that many 16 year olds working in there at the time cause I didn't have a clue. Um, but it was just a lot of dead ends. There was, you know, I had no direction. It was just basically, you know, looking for a needle in a haystack with your eyes closed.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Ron (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=367.13" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:07</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah. That sounds like a pretty laborious search for someone who was at an air force base that's since closed in itself, said everybody at an air force base is transient. They're not from that area most likely. So that does sound like really hard. This was a challenging search for Ron. People that live on a military base are often very transient. Being stationed one place, then another, his birth mother could be anywhere by now. He likened his search to looking for a needle in a haystack with his eyes closed. He stopped searching. Then in March, 2017, Ron's wife started focusing on the advertisements for Ancestry DNA. She thought he might have a chance of finding his birth mother through scientific identification, but Ron wasn't really interested. It wasn't that he didn't care, the search just wasn't a driving priority at that moment in his life. Ron eventually relented to his wife's suggestion and submitted his DNA sample.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Ron (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=424.02" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:04</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So, you know, I, I, I did that and started seeing, you know, people pop up is blood related to me. Um, you know, I had two, that was a, that Ancestry listed as a first or second cousin match and uh, hundreds of fourth cousin matches. But it was really surreal to see these people's names on the screen and oftentimes their pictures and say, this person is blood related to me. And that just kind of, you know, amped up the search a bit you know, made it real.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=452.96" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:32</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">He knew any distant cousin matches, weren't likely to open new doors for his own search. So he focused on his closest match online, a first cousin. That person's relationship ended up being a fascinating mystery because Ron and the cousin couldn't figure out how they were related. Ron suspects she may have an adoption in her own personal history that she was previously unaware of. Ancestry DNA didn't help him either to help with his research. Ron joined a lot of search groups on Facebook and connected with a search angel. She encouraged Ron to reapply for his identifying information, which he could no longer find in his own files.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Ron (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=489.3" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:09</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">While I was working on Ancestry, I had joined a lot of um, search groups on Facebook and I met up with a search Angel out of Arkansas and she said, you know, sent her the Ancestry DNA. She did some searching and she was kinda hitting dead ends as well. And she pushed me to reapply for my non identifying information because of course after almost 30 years and I don't know how many moves, papers and getting lost in the shuffle, destroyed whatever. Um, so I went to DSS department social services website and requested it and of course screen come up saying you know, it may take six to eight weeks. And yeah, it was just really disheartening because I was so close yet so far away. Well amazingly enough, the lady at social services actually sent me the PDF scan files of my non identifying information like a day or two later. Um, so I forwarded those to the search angel and I guess two days after that, this was in around May 1st or 2nd, she sends me a Facebook message actually saying, do you want to know who your mom is? And proceeded me to give me my birth mom's name, phone number, address, Facebook profile, everything I could want.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=567.54" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:27</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Just pause for a second because I'm a little bit confused. You got the non identifying information previously and then you got it again. And somehow the search angel was able to figure out who she was. But you were not? How did she do that?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Ron (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=581.2" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:41</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, it's probably the funniest story I've ever heard. And the scan that the lady sent me was an exact scan of their original papers cause I remember you know some of the markings on them and all that and there's a couple one place in there where you can see what I didn't realize at the time is typing that was reversed. Like perhaps at some point since since they were created they were left face to face and ink bled through from one to the other. So the search changer along with another lady actually found a place where my birth mom's name and her mom's name was in reverse on the page.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=616.6" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>10:16</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Are you serious? Like literally the ink bled over?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Ron (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=622.09" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>10:22</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah. Before, before it was redacted, the ink had bled across. And so her name was there. It was just in reverse. It looked like just smudging, you know, to the naked eye. But when she expanded it and reversed it, you can read the names just as clear as day.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=636.82" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>10:36</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Wow. Your search angel is a super sleuth man. That's incredible.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Ron (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=641.8" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>10:41</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yes she is. She really is.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=643.59" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>10:43</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So Ron's birth mother had been found on Facebook. It was great news, but he said it hit him in the chest like a ton of bricks. I asked him how he felt in those moments after he got that news.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Ron (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=656.04" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>10:56</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Nervous, you know? Again, you know, I didn't have any complaints growing up adopted with my adoptive family. It still wasn't as life changing as it is for some people I guess you could say maybe.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=668.97" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>11:08</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I understand.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Ron (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=669.85" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>11:09</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">It was a big deal, but maybe it wasn't as big a deal as it would have been to someone who was just dying to know.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/HfLlDzW3WjL3GW2PaGyYqk9hyuI5UwoCYZXH3kGHPY_Elyagep1aHuvhuPYIYGfvpx9JTiG05CGXGE2mvwsrWorrIOY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=675.11" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>11:15</u></a><span...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/026-ive-got-a-second-mom-and-i-can-love-them-both-2]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1702</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2020 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/28b41058-bfb4-45d7-bc6a-6ef23eb308cf/026-ron-m-final.mp3" length="28300937" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>29:29</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:episode>26</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>26</podcast:episode><itunes:summary>At 16 years old, Ron decided to satisfy his curiosity about his first family. But his search was challenging. He was born on a South Carolina Air Force Base that had closed, the internet didn’t have the reach that it has now, and AncestryDNA’s connections didn’t help. He recruited the help of a search angel who…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>Damon – Thank You Missouri</title><itunes:title>Damon - Thank You Missouri</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>I figured since I started&nbsp;season 6 with some personal stories of what I had been going on in my life I should end this season with an update on how things have been going personally. I wanna thank everyone who reached out with support and love for the things our family has endured.</p><p>Damon</p><ul><li>Hey it’s me!</li><li>I figured since I started&nbsp;season 6 with some personal stories of what I had been going on in my life I should end this season with an update on how things have been going personally.</li><li>I wanna thank everyone who reached out with support and love for the things our family has endured&nbsp;</li><li>When we left off, my mother Veronica was in a 96 hour hold at a mental facility which luckily went through a weekend so it was actually more than 96 hours in total.&nbsp;</li><li>She was released on a Monday because they couldn’t hold her any longer.&nbsp;</li><li>The determined my mom was not homicidal and she was not suicidal - and in their words, "it’s not not illegal to be demented"</li><li>After all she is&nbsp;still an adult and she was responsible for&nbsp;herself and her actions, regardless of&nbsp;everything that led up to her&nbsp;institutionalization</li><li>Astonishingly, the staff were ready to put her in a cab in which she could have requested to go anywhere.&nbsp;</li><li>Thankfully my aunt Bonnie, Veronica’s younger sister who lives in Missouri, picked her up then took her to the house she lost in foreclosure at her request.</li><li>there was&nbsp;nothing Bonnie could do so she dropped Mom off then watched her from nearby.</li><li>The guy who bought the house at&nbsp;auction, Kevin, did too.</li><li>He was part of our team monitoring Mom to know when&nbsp;she was at the house because his team was working there, and we needed to know where she was.&nbsp;</li><li>We&nbsp;coordinated for&nbsp;Kevin to call the police because in essence, Mom was trespassing at his home</li><li>The police picked her up again, then dropped her at the Hampton inn on nearby Belton.</li><li>I called to introduce myself to the staff and share Veronica’s story — The staff had unwittingly just become a part of my team</li><li>It was weird to have mom out on the streets, independent, but not at her house.</li><li>The only thing I was certain about was she was definitely going to try to go back to that house...</li><li>… and she did.</li><li>The Next morning she went down the front desk of the hotel and bummed a ride from a hotel front desk staff person who was getting off from his night shift.&nbsp;</li><li>My mother, the super risk averse safety&nbsp;conscious woman I had always known had just bummed a ride from a total stranger.&nbsp;</li><li>When she got to the house, apparently she&nbsp;couldn’t get in the front door so she somehow&nbsp;opened the garage door and went in the house&nbsp;through that entry door.&nbsp;</li><li>I’m sure you can imagine Kevin pure shock when he showed up to the house to find Veronica inside like some paranoid schizophrenic magician.</li><li>She Spoke harshly to Kevin, pushed him, said she called the mortgage company and they said HE could not pay the mortgage — of course she made no such call</li><li>The Next morning my mother tried to walk to the house from the Hampton inn...</li><li>That’s a 5 mile walk and keep in mind she’s 74</li><li>with a diagnosed blood clot in her leg...</li><li>… and it was bitter winter cold outside in February.</li><li>The next morning she took a cab to the house.&nbsp;</li><li>Later in the week she eventually rented a car and all I could do was hope for the best.&nbsp;</li><li>One evening the staff at the front desk of the Hampton Inn called me because she was still out into the evening, which was uncharacteristic for her routine.&nbsp;</li><li>Usually she'd get up in the morning and go downstairs for breakfast, go back upstairs and pack everything from her room, take her belongings out to her car and tell the staff she was going home.&nbsp;</li><li>They stopped calling me to ask if they should hold her room at the hotel because even though she portrayed that she was checking out, she always came back a few short hours later.&nbsp;</li><li>But that night she was still out and it was getting dark.&nbsp;</li><li>Mom had called the hotel and spoken to Shawna at the front desk to get directions</li><li>Veronica was calling from the gas station less than ¼ mile from the hotel, so Shawna expected her to pull up any minute but she didn’t.&nbsp;</li><li>45 minutes later she still hadn’t shown up.</li><li>I called the police to ask them to be on the look out for her rental car.&nbsp;</li><li>of course, after phone calls to the hotel, phone calls to the police to give them a make and model of her rental car and the police sending out the bulletin to be on the look out for my mother, she waltzed in the hotel lobby and went up to her room.&nbsp;</li><li>The whole ordeal of trying to care for another person and stay up to date on their whereabouts is exhausting</li><li>You reach a point of self preservation where you just kinda say “ya know what, there’s nothing I can do, I just hope she’s ok”&nbsp;</li><li>Then, the Covid-19 pandemic struck and a whole new set of worries washed over Bonnie and me.&nbsp;</li><li>We had been trying to get mom into a care facility, hoping that if we moved her stuff into an independent living facility and we could get her there to see her new place she’d be down to move.&nbsp;</li><li>But the opportunities to place Mom went on lockdown just like everyone else, so mom was stuck at the hotel.&nbsp;</li><li>Honestly, given how rapidly the virus has infected some nursing homes and elder care facilities, it may have been better for Mom to be at a hotel in a room by herself with very few guests around.&nbsp;</li><li>While all of this was going on I was waiting for the guardianship process, that i had initiated back in February when I was in Missouri, to make some progress</li><li>When I started the process I was feeling good about getting a court date, getting guardianship over my mother and therefore some control over her wellbeing</li><li>I was looking forward to putting out the little fires that were burning around her like her credit card likely getting maxed out on a rental car contract with no return date, and an extended stay at hotel…&nbsp;to name a few.&nbsp;</li><li>But when the world shut down to quarantine at home, the Missouri courts did too, so her hearing date got moved.&nbsp;</li><li>We finally had a virtual hearing with a judge on June 3, 2020 and I was granted guardianship over my mother which she vehemently opposed.&nbsp;</li><li>Since she was mentally unregulated because she was not adhering to any medication regimen, basically she was mad at everything.</li><li>I learned later she was manic.</li><li>Mind you, while all of this was going on and we’re in quarantine,&nbsp;I started a new job, which is great but I’ve only met my co-workers in little rectangular boxes on my laptop screen.&nbsp;</li><li>I’m trying to learn the ropes of the new job while I was managing the homeschooling of my 6th grader, Seth, who, on the best of days, hates school.&nbsp;</li><li>We were trying to get him to learn to check his email, his google classroom, the county’s learning portal and whatever other learning platforms the teacher’s chose to implement as they moved their classrooms into a virtual world.&nbsp;</li><li>Oh, and my wife cracked her ankle while walking the dog on the very first day of quarantine here in the DC are so she was completely out of commission as quarantine began.&nbsp;</li><li>I’m going to the grocery store with a mask on in long ass lines waiting for the bouncer to let me in the front door so I can not buy toilet paper and over purchase cookie dough chips and ice cream.&nbsp;</li><li>And amidst all of that was the struggle to make the case that the police force were brutalizing people of color and it was unfair because Black Lives Matter.&nbsp;</li><li>Life was pandemonium</li><li>Back on Mom, When I told her that I was trying to help her find a new place to live and move her stuff out of storage she hissed at me like a venomous snake</li><li>I DO NOT NEED YOUR HELP DAMON! I HAVE MOVED ALL ACROSS THIS COUNTRY BY MYSELF AND I HAVE OWNED HOMES FOR YEARS WITHOUT YOUR HELP. I WILL START LOOKING FOR APARTMENTS WHEN I AM READY.&nbsp;</li><li>And the vitriol spewed on.&nbsp;</li><li>I just kinda sat on the phone quiet and said ok.&nbsp;</li><li>I had a smirk on my face that was a combination of disbelief and disappointment for where we were in that moment and desperate hope that she didn’t need me and somewhere in the confusing maze of her mind there was a plan</li><li>but I knew there wasn’t&nbsp;</li><li>So I waited.&nbsp;</li><li>I couldn’t get her to leave the hotel on her own, but i also knew she couldn’t hold it together much longer.&nbsp;</li><li>I knew she was going to screw up somewhere, either at her old home where the new owners would have to call the police, or there at the hotel where the staff would be forced to call the police.&nbsp;</li><li>Both happened.&nbsp;</li><li>Mom was caught on the new home owner’s Ring door bell video system moving their bird feeder across the street, and somehow she still had a key to her former front storm door so she locked it, forcing the family to enter their own home through their garage.</li><li>Her mental state began to deteriorate at the hotel too</li><li>She was talking about people selling her drugs, blaming the cleaning staff for using the wrong kinds of chemicals that could poison her, and standing out in the parking lot next to her rental vehicle shouting, but not driving off.&nbsp;</li><li>She would go back into her room where the shouting continued as she banged on the walls.&nbsp;</li><li>The manager and I agreed the next time that happened he would have to call the police to have her removed and we would start the institutionalization and...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I figured since I started&nbsp;season 6 with some personal stories of what I had been going on in my life I should end this season with an update on how things have been going personally. I wanna thank everyone who reached out with support and love for the things our family has endured.</p><p>Damon</p><ul><li>Hey it’s me!</li><li>I figured since I started&nbsp;season 6 with some personal stories of what I had been going on in my life I should end this season with an update on how things have been going personally.</li><li>I wanna thank everyone who reached out with support and love for the things our family has endured&nbsp;</li><li>When we left off, my mother Veronica was in a 96 hour hold at a mental facility which luckily went through a weekend so it was actually more than 96 hours in total.&nbsp;</li><li>She was released on a Monday because they couldn’t hold her any longer.&nbsp;</li><li>The determined my mom was not homicidal and she was not suicidal - and in their words, "it’s not not illegal to be demented"</li><li>After all she is&nbsp;still an adult and she was responsible for&nbsp;herself and her actions, regardless of&nbsp;everything that led up to her&nbsp;institutionalization</li><li>Astonishingly, the staff were ready to put her in a cab in which she could have requested to go anywhere.&nbsp;</li><li>Thankfully my aunt Bonnie, Veronica’s younger sister who lives in Missouri, picked her up then took her to the house she lost in foreclosure at her request.</li><li>there was&nbsp;nothing Bonnie could do so she dropped Mom off then watched her from nearby.</li><li>The guy who bought the house at&nbsp;auction, Kevin, did too.</li><li>He was part of our team monitoring Mom to know when&nbsp;she was at the house because his team was working there, and we needed to know where she was.&nbsp;</li><li>We&nbsp;coordinated for&nbsp;Kevin to call the police because in essence, Mom was trespassing at his home</li><li>The police picked her up again, then dropped her at the Hampton inn on nearby Belton.</li><li>I called to introduce myself to the staff and share Veronica’s story — The staff had unwittingly just become a part of my team</li><li>It was weird to have mom out on the streets, independent, but not at her house.</li><li>The only thing I was certain about was she was definitely going to try to go back to that house...</li><li>… and she did.</li><li>The Next morning she went down the front desk of the hotel and bummed a ride from a hotel front desk staff person who was getting off from his night shift.&nbsp;</li><li>My mother, the super risk averse safety&nbsp;conscious woman I had always known had just bummed a ride from a total stranger.&nbsp;</li><li>When she got to the house, apparently she&nbsp;couldn’t get in the front door so she somehow&nbsp;opened the garage door and went in the house&nbsp;through that entry door.&nbsp;</li><li>I’m sure you can imagine Kevin pure shock when he showed up to the house to find Veronica inside like some paranoid schizophrenic magician.</li><li>She Spoke harshly to Kevin, pushed him, said she called the mortgage company and they said HE could not pay the mortgage — of course she made no such call</li><li>The Next morning my mother tried to walk to the house from the Hampton inn...</li><li>That’s a 5 mile walk and keep in mind she’s 74</li><li>with a diagnosed blood clot in her leg...</li><li>… and it was bitter winter cold outside in February.</li><li>The next morning she took a cab to the house.&nbsp;</li><li>Later in the week she eventually rented a car and all I could do was hope for the best.&nbsp;</li><li>One evening the staff at the front desk of the Hampton Inn called me because she was still out into the evening, which was uncharacteristic for her routine.&nbsp;</li><li>Usually she'd get up in the morning and go downstairs for breakfast, go back upstairs and pack everything from her room, take her belongings out to her car and tell the staff she was going home.&nbsp;</li><li>They stopped calling me to ask if they should hold her room at the hotel because even though she portrayed that she was checking out, she always came back a few short hours later.&nbsp;</li><li>But that night she was still out and it was getting dark.&nbsp;</li><li>Mom had called the hotel and spoken to Shawna at the front desk to get directions</li><li>Veronica was calling from the gas station less than ¼ mile from the hotel, so Shawna expected her to pull up any minute but she didn’t.&nbsp;</li><li>45 minutes later she still hadn’t shown up.</li><li>I called the police to ask them to be on the look out for her rental car.&nbsp;</li><li>of course, after phone calls to the hotel, phone calls to the police to give them a make and model of her rental car and the police sending out the bulletin to be on the look out for my mother, she waltzed in the hotel lobby and went up to her room.&nbsp;</li><li>The whole ordeal of trying to care for another person and stay up to date on their whereabouts is exhausting</li><li>You reach a point of self preservation where you just kinda say “ya know what, there’s nothing I can do, I just hope she’s ok”&nbsp;</li><li>Then, the Covid-19 pandemic struck and a whole new set of worries washed over Bonnie and me.&nbsp;</li><li>We had been trying to get mom into a care facility, hoping that if we moved her stuff into an independent living facility and we could get her there to see her new place she’d be down to move.&nbsp;</li><li>But the opportunities to place Mom went on lockdown just like everyone else, so mom was stuck at the hotel.&nbsp;</li><li>Honestly, given how rapidly the virus has infected some nursing homes and elder care facilities, it may have been better for Mom to be at a hotel in a room by herself with very few guests around.&nbsp;</li><li>While all of this was going on I was waiting for the guardianship process, that i had initiated back in February when I was in Missouri, to make some progress</li><li>When I started the process I was feeling good about getting a court date, getting guardianship over my mother and therefore some control over her wellbeing</li><li>I was looking forward to putting out the little fires that were burning around her like her credit card likely getting maxed out on a rental car contract with no return date, and an extended stay at hotel…&nbsp;to name a few.&nbsp;</li><li>But when the world shut down to quarantine at home, the Missouri courts did too, so her hearing date got moved.&nbsp;</li><li>We finally had a virtual hearing with a judge on June 3, 2020 and I was granted guardianship over my mother which she vehemently opposed.&nbsp;</li><li>Since she was mentally unregulated because she was not adhering to any medication regimen, basically she was mad at everything.</li><li>I learned later she was manic.</li><li>Mind you, while all of this was going on and we’re in quarantine,&nbsp;I started a new job, which is great but I’ve only met my co-workers in little rectangular boxes on my laptop screen.&nbsp;</li><li>I’m trying to learn the ropes of the new job while I was managing the homeschooling of my 6th grader, Seth, who, on the best of days, hates school.&nbsp;</li><li>We were trying to get him to learn to check his email, his google classroom, the county’s learning portal and whatever other learning platforms the teacher’s chose to implement as they moved their classrooms into a virtual world.&nbsp;</li><li>Oh, and my wife cracked her ankle while walking the dog on the very first day of quarantine here in the DC are so she was completely out of commission as quarantine began.&nbsp;</li><li>I’m going to the grocery store with a mask on in long ass lines waiting for the bouncer to let me in the front door so I can not buy toilet paper and over purchase cookie dough chips and ice cream.&nbsp;</li><li>And amidst all of that was the struggle to make the case that the police force were brutalizing people of color and it was unfair because Black Lives Matter.&nbsp;</li><li>Life was pandemonium</li><li>Back on Mom, When I told her that I was trying to help her find a new place to live and move her stuff out of storage she hissed at me like a venomous snake</li><li>I DO NOT NEED YOUR HELP DAMON! I HAVE MOVED ALL ACROSS THIS COUNTRY BY MYSELF AND I HAVE OWNED HOMES FOR YEARS WITHOUT YOUR HELP. I WILL START LOOKING FOR APARTMENTS WHEN I AM READY.&nbsp;</li><li>And the vitriol spewed on.&nbsp;</li><li>I just kinda sat on the phone quiet and said ok.&nbsp;</li><li>I had a smirk on my face that was a combination of disbelief and disappointment for where we were in that moment and desperate hope that she didn’t need me and somewhere in the confusing maze of her mind there was a plan</li><li>but I knew there wasn’t&nbsp;</li><li>So I waited.&nbsp;</li><li>I couldn’t get her to leave the hotel on her own, but i also knew she couldn’t hold it together much longer.&nbsp;</li><li>I knew she was going to screw up somewhere, either at her old home where the new owners would have to call the police, or there at the hotel where the staff would be forced to call the police.&nbsp;</li><li>Both happened.&nbsp;</li><li>Mom was caught on the new home owner’s Ring door bell video system moving their bird feeder across the street, and somehow she still had a key to her former front storm door so she locked it, forcing the family to enter their own home through their garage.</li><li>Her mental state began to deteriorate at the hotel too</li><li>She was talking about people selling her drugs, blaming the cleaning staff for using the wrong kinds of chemicals that could poison her, and standing out in the parking lot next to her rental vehicle shouting, but not driving off.&nbsp;</li><li>She would go back into her room where the shouting continued as she banged on the walls.&nbsp;</li><li>The manager and I agreed the next time that happened he would have to call the police to have her removed and we would start the institutionalization and medication regimen again...</li><li>...Today my mother is in care as social workers try to find a memory care facility for her.</li><li>As her guardian I’m starting to gain control of her finances in a guardianship account for her benefit.&nbsp;</li><li>She’s not allowed to drive any more</li><li>Pretty soon we’ll have her placed, and hopefully they can get her regulated.&nbsp;</li><li>But she’s gonna be pissed</li><li>It sucks.&nbsp;</li><li>But she’ll be safe and she won’t be able to risk her physical nor financial well being nearly as&nbsp;much as if she were still out on her own.</li></ul><br/><p>I have to take a few moments to thank some great people who have supported Bonnie and me through all that we’ve been through so far.&nbsp;</p><ul><li>Sergeant Bergman and everyone in the Raymore Missourie Police Department. They know my mother by name, have been dealing with her for years, and as far as I can tell have been patient and kind with her.&nbsp;</li><li>The staff of the Belton Missouri Police Department who got to know our family pretty well too over the last several weeks as we tried to keep tabs on mom in that neighboring town.&nbsp;</li><li>The staff of the Fairfield Inn including James, Susan, and their whole team. In the early days of Mom’s ordeal, recognizing that Mom was effectively homeless James comforted me by saying,&nbsp;“I tried to put myself in your shoes and I would want someone to have my mom’s back if she was in this situation… so don’t worry about her, we’ll take care of her while she’s here.”</li><li>I need to thank the team at the Hampton Inn who, just like at the Fairfield, got to know Mom and me by name. That wonderful woman named Shawna took my calls daily and kept a watchful eye out on Mom. That evening when Mom called for directions to the hotel, Shawna called to let me know she was going off shift but that she had told her team all that was going on… When I spoke to Shawna the next morning she said she called back to the hotel after she got home to make sure mom was safe.&nbsp;</li><li>The world is filled with good people and I’ve encountered so many</li><li>My Aunt Bonnie who worries about her sister every day and has tirelessly organized her friends and our family to help us out with Mom and her stuff.&nbsp;</li><li>Kevin, Sandy and their children who so graciously helped us move my other out of her home in a single day. — Kevin and I still text and call every once in a while and with a great Missouri farmer’s accent he asks, “How’s your momma?"</li><li>All of the social workers out there who step into challenging, confusing, perilous situations facing people like Veronica who can’t calculate what’s best for them so they fight.&nbsp;</li><li>All of the front line responders on the police forces, in the ambulances, and at the hospitals and psych wards who encounter people every single day and try to help them the best way they can.&nbsp;</li><li>I’m sure it must be hard to go home at the end of their shift, morning afternoon and night and wonder whatever happened to that person you helped on your shift, hoping they’re ok.&nbsp;</li><li>But this is just my story, one of millions out there…</li><li>others around us are struggling, suffering, and challenged&nbsp;in a variety of ways personally, professionally, in their own health or with the health and welfare of their loved ones.</li><li>I’ve had guests who signed up to be on the show come back to say they have to postpone their interview because dear relatives are dying or other elements of their lives are blowing up.&nbsp;</li><li>We all go through challenging stuff and just as we are adoptees who are supportive of one another because of our shared experiences, we have to be supportive of one another for our shared human experience.&nbsp;</li><li>Ya know, whenever someone was down I would try to encourage them that things would eventually get better by saying, “The sun always comes out.”&nbsp;</li><li>After sharing some of what i’ve been through&nbsp;with my biological father Bill, I said it again</li><li>“The sun always comes out."</li><li>With the wisdom of a lifetime on earth in his words he told me, “That’s the thing Damon, The sun is always there. You just have to find it."</li><li>I hope that change in perspective will mean something for you as it did for me.</li><li>Ok, That’s all for me for now.</li><li>I’m off for the summer.&nbsp;</li><li>I’ve already begun interviewing the next season of adoptees for the shows that will come out this fall of 2020,</li><li>I’m going to do some writing, real estate investing, and try to re-energize my mind.</li><li>I hope you’ll make time to do the same for yourself.&nbsp;</li><li>Take care, all the best...</li></ul><br/>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/damon-thank-you-missouri]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">b6f6a3dd-46cf-447a-bad6-151ef139c6ba</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2020 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d6d75fa0-27d3-42e1-9c3d-6da83c086437/127-damon-thank-you-missouri-final.mp3" length="20617049" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>14:19</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>6</itunes:season><itunes:episode>999</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>999</podcast:episode><podcast:season>6</podcast:season></item><item><title>123 – I Have Room In My Heart And My Life</title><itunes:title>123 - I Have Room In My Heart And My Life</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Michelle, who lives in Santa Fe, New Mexico, shared her story of growing up in the care of a workaholic mom in a family that she didn’t look like at all.&nbsp;After moving from Hawaii to Africa, then back to the states, Michelle finally decided to search for herself, and therefor her biological family. After a random layover in the south, she met her birth mother and siblings, found her birth father through DNA, but can’t boast of a strong relationship with&nbsp;either&nbsp;biological parent.&nbsp;Still&nbsp;she’s&nbsp;thankful for having&nbsp;gotten confirmation from her search.&nbsp;This is Michelle’s journey…&nbsp;</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle, who lives in Santa Fe, New Mexico, shared her story of growing up in the care of a workaholic mom in a family that she didn’t look like at all.&nbsp;After moving from Hawaii to Africa, then back to the states, Michelle finally decided to search for herself, and therefor her biological family. After a random layover in the south, she met her birth mother and siblings, found her birth father through DNA, but can’t boast of a strong relationship with&nbsp;either&nbsp;biological parent.&nbsp;Still&nbsp;she’s&nbsp;thankful for having&nbsp;gotten confirmation from her search.&nbsp;This is Michelle’s journey…&nbsp;</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/123-i-have-room-in-my-heart-and-my-life]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">7790771c-e3d2-4f61-b882-40afc723a81c</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2020 07:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/7c76ad80-497d-404c-af80-64c2ee69945a/123-i-have-room-in-my-heart-and-my-life-final.mp3" length="49185406" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>34:09</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>6</itunes:season><itunes:episode>123</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>123</podcast:episode><podcast:season>6</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/892738cc-ce7f-4821-800a-a2b0b33fe74c/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>120 – Sometimes You Just Have To Let People Go</title><itunes:title>120 - Sometimes You Just Have To Let People Go</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Veronica, called me from New Orleans, Louisiana.&nbsp;She tells her tale of insensitivity within her&nbsp;adoptive family,&nbsp;even with an&nbsp;adoptive mother who was an adoptee herself.&nbsp;Veronica struggled to conduct a search for her roots after Hurricane Katrina threw&nbsp;everything&nbsp;into upheaval in the Big Easy. When she finally found her birth mother, the woman was apathetic to their connection, turning toxic. Now,&nbsp;Veronica&nbsp;wants to find her half brother, and her paternal roots. This is Veronica’s journey.&nbsp;</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Veronica, called me from New Orleans, Louisiana.&nbsp;She tells her tale of insensitivity within her&nbsp;adoptive family,&nbsp;even with an&nbsp;adoptive mother who was an adoptee herself.&nbsp;Veronica struggled to conduct a search for her roots after Hurricane Katrina threw&nbsp;everything&nbsp;into upheaval in the Big Easy. When she finally found her birth mother, the woman was apathetic to their connection, turning toxic. Now,&nbsp;Veronica&nbsp;wants to find her half brother, and her paternal roots. This is Veronica’s journey.&nbsp;</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/120-sometimes-you-just-have-to-let-people-go]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">8d03d26a-74de-4ee5-808d-88744b50f86f</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2020 07:30:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/735de94e-6239-4d93-ba00-dd8e58c8a9c9/120-sometimes-you-just-have-to-let-people-go-final.mp3" length="73652324" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>51:09</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>6</itunes:season><itunes:episode>120</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>120</podcast:episode><podcast:season>6</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/556ec562-deb9-435f-9472-fcffa25414dd/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>118 – Those Were The Magic Words</title><itunes:title>Those Were The Magic Words</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Amy called me from Highland Township, outside of Detroit, Michigan. She described her early years dealing with the insecurities of her adopted mother who defaulted to threats to try to control Amy’s curiosity about her adoption. On her search, she learned that her biological mother had been sent away, the man on her birth certificate was not her birth father, and her birth mother’s family had some significant secrets in its history. Secrets that Amy knows, but they don’t. This is Amy’s journey.&nbsp;</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy called me from Highland Township, outside of Detroit, Michigan. She described her early years dealing with the insecurities of her adopted mother who defaulted to threats to try to control Amy’s curiosity about her adoption. On her search, she learned that her biological mother had been sent away, the man on her birth certificate was not her birth father, and her birth mother’s family had some significant secrets in its history. Secrets that Amy knows, but they don’t. This is Amy’s journey.&nbsp;</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/those-were-the-magic-words]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">8a64a9a0-8497-4328-b912-17841d11326e</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2020 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/3090753d-1a2b-4b18-898f-74d9f261a2f3/118-those-were-the-magic-words-final-draft.mp3" length="81778690" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>56:47</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>6</itunes:season><itunes:episode>118</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>118</podcast:episode><podcast:season>6</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/46f91900-58e2-4db1-bd7a-cd115997970b/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>112 – My Whole Life Is a Success</title><itunes:title>112 - My Whole Life Is a Success</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Andrew called me from Connecticut after a move from Maryland. He told me that he’s been through a lot in his life. He’s a transracial, international adoptee who grew up in a predominantly white community there in Connecticut.&nbsp;He shares how he strode to overachieve in athletics and performing arts to try to overshadow his brown skin, the unmistakable mark of being an adoptee in his community.&nbsp;However&nbsp;he credits his strong Catholic faith for getting him through everything, including coming out as a gay man. This is Andrew’s journey.&nbsp;</p><p>Andrew (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=2.61" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:02</a>):</p><p>On top of all the other portions of my identity, I prayed my little heart out because as an adoptee here, as someone brought into this family, my biggest fear was that they could potentially send me back because I'm gay. So with that fear, I prayed even harder.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=32.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:32</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show, you're going to meet Andrew. He called me from Connecticut after a move from here in Maryland, Andrew told me, that he's been through a lot in his life. He's a trans-racial international adoptee who grew up in a predominantly white community there in Connecticut. He shares how he Strode to achieve in athletics and performing arts to try to overshadow his Brown skin, the unmistakable mark of being an adoptee in his community. However, he credits his strong Catholic faith for getting him through everything, including coming out as a gay man. This is Andrew's journey.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=96.44" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:36</a>):</p><p>Andrew was born in the Philippines, but grew up in Brookfield, Connecticut. His parents were white and they had one son who was biological to them. And six years, Andrew senior, when she was pregnant with Andrew's brother, the doctor told his mother her pregnancy was so difficult that having another child was not a good idea. When Andrew was adopted, he was about 10 months old. His parents received him at the airport. Andrew said, growing up in that area was quite an experience. He was loved, accepted and cared for as part of the family. But back in the late eighties, trans racial adoptions, weren't as prevalent as they are now, especially in a small town in Connecticut. He said his mother experienced a fair number of interesting encounters with members of the community.</p><p>Andrew (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=148.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:28</a>):</p><p>So, I mean, this was all stories told back to me, um, as I have grown, but, uh, there was one time when she had me in her, in the baby carriage. And, uh, she was in the department store shopping around, um, and a fellow shopper looked into the carriage you see me the, uh, the Brown baby, the Brown son that adopted, um, and looks back at my mother almost with a face or perplexed face, um, and simply asks, why did you do that? Um, and that was, that was one of the first moments that my mother and family experienced something to that effect because prior to that, they already had me and showing me around the community. And, uh, I grew up Roman Catholic. So, uh, you know, meeting all the fellow parishioners and neighbors and, and loved ones and they received nothing but positive feedback of, of acceptance. Uh, but this is one of the first occurrences that I have been told that my mother remembers experiencing racial discrimination.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=224.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:44</a>):</p><p>Andrew said his mother was shocked and surprised in that moment of negative feedback about her interracial adoption in the face of broader acceptance in the community. It must have been confusing. So I figured it must have been tough growing up in a predominantly white community as an adoptee.</p><p>Andrew (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=242.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:02</a>):</p><p>It was an experience because, you know, I was, I was noticeably not from my parents. So that story of being adopted and being essentially delivered to my parents and family was an ongoing story that I always heard growing up. Um, because that was their way of, that was their way of being clear and open about my adoption or where I came from. Uh, for me being one of the few Brown people of color of my, my students, my fellow classmates and everything, it was challenging. You know, I, I carry a very positive spirit. I carry a smile, um, along the way of life, um, growing up and, and even today, but as part of this community, as part of this town, and as I stood out, as I do, there's a bit of pressure that is that way over me about that. Um, and I think a lot of that difference that I, the differences that I have, uh, being adopted, um, being Filipino and brown in a sea of fellow students and classmates and friends, I think that's part of the, the motivation that I had behind, you know, doing well in school and playing soccer and just excelling and trying to do the best and excelling as most I can to combat those questions, I guess.</p><p>Andrew (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=344.73" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:44</a>):</p><p>Um, so that people didn't see that I was different. What they saw was a student, they saw a scholar, they saw an athlete, they saw a singer, they saw, um, a member of a prominent member of the parish. It didn't see a Filipino boy.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=360.76" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:00</a>):</p><p>Did you get the feeling that your efforts to sort of overachieve worked? Did you feel like you were hiding in plain sight?</p><p>Andrew (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=370.9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:10</a>):</p><p>Yeah. Those efforts work. And to be honest, I didn't actually think about that until I just said that and share that with you. And I don't, I don't think it was a conscious decision that I need I can give was a subconscious decision that was made in my, my young mind and young bodied mind that I need to do this so that people don't see the other,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=396.67" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:36</a>):</p><p>Given Andrew was living in a predominantly white community in the 1970s and eighties. I figured it must have been hard for his parents to help him connect to his Filipino heritage. He said, every summer, the adoption agency held summer events for all of their clients and for the adoptees to reconnect as a community. It was an opportunity for Andrew to meet other adoptees. Many of whom were Filipino. His parents have since shared that there wasn't much information on transracial adoption back then. So it was tough for them to know how to navigate raising an adopted person from another culture. Ironically, there was a strong Filipino culture in their area of Connecticut that had their own community group, which Andrew availed himself of through the church,</p><p>Andrew (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=445.15" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:25</a>):</p><p>But being Filipino and being adopted into my white family. I didn't give myself the opportunity to learn more about my culture because I wanted, I didn't want to feel more different than I already was. I didn't want, I also didn't want to make my parents or feel badly that I, if I were to learn about my culture and then be become less of a Wheelock and more of a Filipino, if that makes sense.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=479.62" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:59</a>):</p><p>Yeah, it absolutely does. You ended up sort of, it sounds like straddling two worlds of the clear physical identity that you have. That's undeniable as any person looks at you as you've traversed the community and not wanting to stand out at the same time, you know, but having that curiosity about yourself on top of everything else, Andrew shared that he's a gay man. He said that growing up, the thoughts and feelings arose during puberty starting when he was about nine years old....]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew called me from Connecticut after a move from Maryland. He told me that he’s been through a lot in his life. He’s a transracial, international adoptee who grew up in a predominantly white community there in Connecticut.&nbsp;He shares how he strode to overachieve in athletics and performing arts to try to overshadow his brown skin, the unmistakable mark of being an adoptee in his community.&nbsp;However&nbsp;he credits his strong Catholic faith for getting him through everything, including coming out as a gay man. This is Andrew’s journey.&nbsp;</p><p>Andrew (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=2.61" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:02</a>):</p><p>On top of all the other portions of my identity, I prayed my little heart out because as an adoptee here, as someone brought into this family, my biggest fear was that they could potentially send me back because I'm gay. So with that fear, I prayed even harder.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=32.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:32</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show, you're going to meet Andrew. He called me from Connecticut after a move from here in Maryland, Andrew told me, that he's been through a lot in his life. He's a trans-racial international adoptee who grew up in a predominantly white community there in Connecticut. He shares how he Strode to achieve in athletics and performing arts to try to overshadow his Brown skin, the unmistakable mark of being an adoptee in his community. However, he credits his strong Catholic faith for getting him through everything, including coming out as a gay man. This is Andrew's journey.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=96.44" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:36</a>):</p><p>Andrew was born in the Philippines, but grew up in Brookfield, Connecticut. His parents were white and they had one son who was biological to them. And six years, Andrew senior, when she was pregnant with Andrew's brother, the doctor told his mother her pregnancy was so difficult that having another child was not a good idea. When Andrew was adopted, he was about 10 months old. His parents received him at the airport. Andrew said, growing up in that area was quite an experience. He was loved, accepted and cared for as part of the family. But back in the late eighties, trans racial adoptions, weren't as prevalent as they are now, especially in a small town in Connecticut. He said his mother experienced a fair number of interesting encounters with members of the community.</p><p>Andrew (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=148.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:28</a>):</p><p>So, I mean, this was all stories told back to me, um, as I have grown, but, uh, there was one time when she had me in her, in the baby carriage. And, uh, she was in the department store shopping around, um, and a fellow shopper looked into the carriage you see me the, uh, the Brown baby, the Brown son that adopted, um, and looks back at my mother almost with a face or perplexed face, um, and simply asks, why did you do that? Um, and that was, that was one of the first moments that my mother and family experienced something to that effect because prior to that, they already had me and showing me around the community. And, uh, I grew up Roman Catholic. So, uh, you know, meeting all the fellow parishioners and neighbors and, and loved ones and they received nothing but positive feedback of, of acceptance. Uh, but this is one of the first occurrences that I have been told that my mother remembers experiencing racial discrimination.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=224.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:44</a>):</p><p>Andrew said his mother was shocked and surprised in that moment of negative feedback about her interracial adoption in the face of broader acceptance in the community. It must have been confusing. So I figured it must have been tough growing up in a predominantly white community as an adoptee.</p><p>Andrew (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=242.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:02</a>):</p><p>It was an experience because, you know, I was, I was noticeably not from my parents. So that story of being adopted and being essentially delivered to my parents and family was an ongoing story that I always heard growing up. Um, because that was their way of, that was their way of being clear and open about my adoption or where I came from. Uh, for me being one of the few Brown people of color of my, my students, my fellow classmates and everything, it was challenging. You know, I, I carry a very positive spirit. I carry a smile, um, along the way of life, um, growing up and, and even today, but as part of this community, as part of this town, and as I stood out, as I do, there's a bit of pressure that is that way over me about that. Um, and I think a lot of that difference that I, the differences that I have, uh, being adopted, um, being Filipino and brown in a sea of fellow students and classmates and friends, I think that's part of the, the motivation that I had behind, you know, doing well in school and playing soccer and just excelling and trying to do the best and excelling as most I can to combat those questions, I guess.</p><p>Andrew (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=344.73" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:44</a>):</p><p>Um, so that people didn't see that I was different. What they saw was a student, they saw a scholar, they saw an athlete, they saw a singer, they saw, um, a member of a prominent member of the parish. It didn't see a Filipino boy.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=360.76" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:00</a>):</p><p>Did you get the feeling that your efforts to sort of overachieve worked? Did you feel like you were hiding in plain sight?</p><p>Andrew (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=370.9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:10</a>):</p><p>Yeah. Those efforts work. And to be honest, I didn't actually think about that until I just said that and share that with you. And I don't, I don't think it was a conscious decision that I need I can give was a subconscious decision that was made in my, my young mind and young bodied mind that I need to do this so that people don't see the other,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=396.67" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:36</a>):</p><p>Given Andrew was living in a predominantly white community in the 1970s and eighties. I figured it must have been hard for his parents to help him connect to his Filipino heritage. He said, every summer, the adoption agency held summer events for all of their clients and for the adoptees to reconnect as a community. It was an opportunity for Andrew to meet other adoptees. Many of whom were Filipino. His parents have since shared that there wasn't much information on transracial adoption back then. So it was tough for them to know how to navigate raising an adopted person from another culture. Ironically, there was a strong Filipino culture in their area of Connecticut that had their own community group, which Andrew availed himself of through the church,</p><p>Andrew (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=445.15" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:25</a>):</p><p>But being Filipino and being adopted into my white family. I didn't give myself the opportunity to learn more about my culture because I wanted, I didn't want to feel more different than I already was. I didn't want, I also didn't want to make my parents or feel badly that I, if I were to learn about my culture and then be become less of a Wheelock and more of a Filipino, if that makes sense.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=479.62" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:59</a>):</p><p>Yeah, it absolutely does. You ended up sort of, it sounds like straddling two worlds of the clear physical identity that you have. That's undeniable as any person looks at you as you've traversed the community and not wanting to stand out at the same time, you know, but having that curiosity about yourself on top of everything else, Andrew shared that he's a gay man. He said that growing up, the thoughts and feelings arose during puberty starting when he was about nine years old. But remember he was raised Roman Catholic and homosexuality was way more frowned upon in Andrew's youth</p><p>Andrew (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=523.03" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:43</a>):</p><p>Grappling with that. And trying to understand that on top of all the other portions of my identity, I prayed my little heart out because as an adoptee, as someone brought into this family, my biggest fear was that they could potentially send me back because I'm gay. So with that fear, I prayed even hard for sign for some type of understanding to that as to why I was having these thoughts and feelings and, and what does it all mean? Uh, and that carries through the majority of my middle school years. Uh, and it wasn't until I was probably 12 or 13. Uh, I was sitting, I remember this specifically, I was sitting in my Catholic church and the priest gave a Homily. He gave a homily about how God doesn't make mistakes, how he creates each and every one of us for a specific reason for a specific person purpose. And in those words, and in that homily is when I ironically enough accepted my sexuality of being a homosexual while sitting in the Roman Catholic church.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=614.24" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:14</a>):</p><p>That's incredible. Wow. That must've been a virile conflict though, to be sitting in a place where what you have accepted about yourself is not accepted in the, in the physical building, nor in the organization that you are in that moment, participating in that must have been a real conflict.</p><p>Andrew (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=631.43" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:31</a>):</p><p>It was, uh, it was, it was crazy. And, but everything happens for a reason.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=637.94" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:37</a>):</p><p>He said, everyone's coming out. Story is very different. When I asked Andrew, if he had other gay and lesbian friends, he could turn to, or confide in, he shared that his coming out was very unique. He reminded me that he was very active in sports singing lessons and other extracurricular activities. So there was a lot of time in the car with his mother. He told his mother about his sexuality one day, riding along with her.</p><p>Andrew (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=665.75" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:05</a>):</p><p>A lot of my coming out was through my mother because, uh, I would tell her first, and then she would talk to my father because, um, I'm a bit of a mama's boy. And, uh, it was more comfortable that way, I guess. Um, so I never verbatim told my father that I am gay directly, but my mother spoke on my behalf to him. Um, and then in regards to the town itself and my peers, like I told you, I grew up in this town and, uh, the coming out process in a social sense was not challenging for me because everyone essentially already knew, uh, that I was going to be that I am a homosexual.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=712.9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:52</a>):</p><p>Really, how do you mean that?</p><p>Andrew (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=714.73" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:54</a>):</p><p>Just, I mean, I was a, a very, I don't, I don't want to say flamboyant. Um, I think a lot. So I enjoyed that. theatrics theater, you know, I was comfortable with that. I was comfortable with myself even before I knew it, you know, as I did come out and the coming out process what's ironic is that even when it came to the extended family that I have on my mom's side and my father's side, they all also already knew the only people that, uh, I heard that from my father's side of the family, that they believe that the only people that didn't know that I was gay were actually my parents.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=761.13" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:41</a>):</p><p>That is really funny. Then how can you tell me a little bit about how this came out in the car that particular day?</p><p>Andrew (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=766.71" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:46</a>):</p><p>I can't specifically recall the conversation and how it transpired and how it came about, but it was very nerve wracking, uh, to share that with my mother and definitely remember my heart racing and my mind going back and forth, do you do this, or do you not do this? Do I had to keep telling myself that this isn't a mistake, Andrew, this is who you are. And I think to be honest, as I'm thinking about it, one of the things that, one of the stories that I heard growing up about how, um, people come out or they don't come out at all, um, and they, they lead a life of a heterosexual offense. Um, they get married, they have children, but, um, behind closed doors or in their privacy, um, discreetly, they are actually not heterosexual. And that lie, I couldn't do. Um, you know, I already led a life of being very publicly different. Um, so for me to potentially Harbor this portion of who I am, I couldn't do, because I couldn't lie to myself about being adopted. I couldn't lie. I can't lie to the world about being adopted. So why am I going to lie to anybody else about being a homosexual</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=857.61" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">14:17</a>):</p><p>Andrew's father is a very devout Catholic. He used to go to church every single day. When I asked Andrew about whether he ever talked with his father directly about his sexuality. He told me they've had some rough times,</p><p>Andrew (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=872.64" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">14:32</a>):</p><p>Unfortunately, in this process, in this life, uh, there was about two years that my father and I didn't actually speak, it was 2009 or so, um, where I had a boyfriend, a longterm boyfriend of about three years or two years at that time. And I think I was still living at home. However, my boyfriend lived in Maryland cause, um, so we were playing on distance, but when my boyfriend would come to visit, he couldn't stay in this house. He couldn't stay with my family. And when I looked at that, when I experienced that, and the reason that my brother, my father and I didn't speak with, because when my brother was growing up and he had girlfriends, even in high school and college in general, the girlfriends were always able to sleep over and stay over. But because I'm a homosexual, I wasn't able to have my boyfriend stay in this house.</p><p>Andrew (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=935.27" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">15:35</a>):</p><p>And because of that, my father and I didn't speak for a good two years. Now cut to today and since then, uh, he is, um, and he actually has apologized, uh, for that period of time because in his spiritual studies and everything and life, you know, he's learned and been more open to this, this, this, and this is how the world works. Now, these days.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=966.8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">16:06</a>):</p><p>How did you receive his apology?</p><p>Andrew (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=967.191" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">16:07</a>):</p><p>Um, I received it humbly and with humility. Uh, what's interesting about anytime my family comes to me with their apology or they, they present some emotional aspects of themselves or share something emotional to me. What's interesting about that is directly is because I'm adopted and not actually genetically part of this family. I always knew, I always knew what was going on. I always had a sense of what my family and family members were experiencing when my father apologized, I already knew he was sorry.</p><p>Andrew (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/fg3W_Fs7UVw-H_Or5OPpAs0TGNl5xVJzumKGPAFj_-SWnxNzRcA5Z0ExA5b3ypGYFXk_3IE8lzuvtgembSFNiFsIiTo?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=1015.49" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">16:55</a>):</p><p>Um, but sharing those specific words meant a lot. And now I'll go further to explain my brother who was six years older than me. There was a good portion of my...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/112-my-whole-life-is-a-success]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">16238924-76f2-4b62-b8e1-6df378d357db</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2020 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/711171a8-a64f-4a75-bfac-8936b942039f/112-my-whole-life-is-a-success-final.mp3" length="41053376" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>28:31</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>6</itunes:season><itunes:episode>112</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>112</podcast:episode><podcast:season>6</podcast:season><podcast:transcript url="https://transcripts.captivate.fm/transcript/22535053-1780-453c-9acb-9e7eb230443b/index.html" type="text/html"/></item><item><title>One Foot In Front Of The Other</title><itunes:title>One Foot In Front Of The Other</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>I planned to bring the show back this week, but the end of 2019 and beginning of 2020 have been rough. When you listen to this one, you'll understand why...</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I planned to bring the show back this week, but the end of 2019 and beginning of 2020 have been rough. When you listen to this one, you'll understand why...</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/one-foot-in-front-of-the-other]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">406ad188-2238-4738-8eb4-3d5d7c334a21</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 08 Feb 2020 07:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/e9cd86a9-e441-4ae0-b7ab-5a3f11a51ab0/one-foot-in-front-of-the-other-final.mp3" length="42431956" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>29:28</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>6</itunes:season><podcast:season>6</podcast:season></item><item><title>014 – I Would Not Have Made It Without My Faith</title><itunes:title>014 – I Would Not Have Made It Without My Faith</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Sara was the baby in her family of four biological half brothers to one another, and one other brother who was also adopted like her just like her. When she hit puberty, a naturally more emotional time in our lives, she&nbsp;lost her grandmother, someone who never made her feel like an adoptee.&nbsp;She found her way out of the darkness from a suicide attempt and substance addiction, but still she hadn’t escaped depression. When she found her biological mother things started out well, but they turned grim when Sara caught the woman in lies about her biological father’s identity. In the end, her journey has taken a turn for the positive, but she lost many relationships that were important to her along the way. Still, Sara says she has no regrets.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/014-sarah-g/" target="_blank">014 – I Would Not Have Made It Without My Faith</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Sara&nbsp;(</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=5.16" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:05</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So for two years I'm believing he's my father. My kids finally meet them. We spend holidays, everything together, but something in my head saying really, really small. What if he's not your father?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=23.43" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:23</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.58" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:30</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=49" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:49</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Hey, it's Damon, and on the show today, I'm joined by Sarah. Sarah has lived in Indianapolis all of her life and all of her life, she's known she was an adoptee. In her family, there were six siblings, four older boys who are not adoptees and one brother who is also an adoptee and then Sara, the baby in the family. She said that even though she grew up with the knowledge that she was an adoptee, she had it very rough in her teenage years because she is adopted. Sarah battled depression, faced post traumatic stress disorder and even attempted suicide. She says she carried the emotional baggage of being adopted with her until she finally started to do something about it and search for her biological family. Her journey began with tremendous luck in finding her family very quickly, thanks to the great work of search angels. But her luck didn't hold out as lies were uncovered. And a DNA test proved that the man whom she thought was her biological father really was not. Here's Sarah's journey.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=111.59" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:51</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sarah says she was the baby in her family of four biological half-brothers to one another and one other, a brother, who was also adopted just like her</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sara&nbsp;(</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=120.24" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:00</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">For starters, Um, it's kind of cool in a sense. I'm the only girl, so I was very, very spoiled in that sense. Um, having all older brothers, I'm not the only adoptee, the youngest boy, he's also adopted, but we're not related at all. So that was something always cool to grow up with that we can relate to each other in that sense of both being adopted. Growing up wise, I'd say in a city, I didn't know anyb,ody at all, like myself besides my brother who was adopted. That's all my friends, they're born in their biological families, so I didn't have any friends that were adopted either, and most of them it was, they didn't even believe I was even adopted. It was like one of those things you'd say, I am adopted. They'd be like, nah, you look so much like your mom. And I never saw it. But yeah, I never saw it. So it's kind of funny when they get around my mom and I have to be like, mom, tell him I'm adopted so and so. They don't believe me. It was kind of weird kind of thing that they do. I was like the only odd man out on one besides my brother. I've always known I was adopted.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=183.28" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:03</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah. You grew up knowing.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sara&nbsp;(</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=185.28" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:05</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah, I knew. I never knew an age exactly when it was. I was told, I just, I've always known it. It never bothered me at all until about the age of 14 that's probably when it all came crashing down. Hit me pretty hard.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=199.71" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:19</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So. Sara's 14. She's hit puberty, which is a naturally more emotional time in all of our lives and she's lost her grandmother. Someone who never made her feel like an adoptee at all. What Sarah felt was favorite status with her grandmother, had disappeared with her death. I asked Sarah about whether she went to therapy and whether it was helpful during that dark time.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sara&nbsp;(</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=221.98" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:41</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">All the questions started hitting me then all of a sudden. I mean of course growing up I would always have the thoughts of, okay, you know, what's my birth mom or dad like and then it just disappear within a few seconds of thinking of it, no big deal. And then when I would hit 14 all of a sudden it was, Whoa, wait a minute. Why was I given up? Okay, they didn't love me then I wasn't, you know, worth it or I was just totally like garbage or all these just horrible thoughts. None of them were good anymore. Like you know, adopted family want to tell you that you're a chosen child and it was so wonderful and beautiful. I all of a sudden I wasn't looking at it like that anymore and it became very, very dark to where I attempted suicide. That year, my grandmother passed and she was on my adopted mothers side and growing up she was probably the main one who I never felt adopted at all, so that hit me along at the same year and then the rest of my adoptive family just seemed to change at the same time with it because I was pretty much like a favorite in her eyes versus against them. It just seemed like all of it was going away and it was all getting darker and darker for me and I was starting to become angrier and angrier about being adopted and not liking it at all. Wasn't such a cool thing after all.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=302.57" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:02</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So I assume you got some help after your suicide attempt. Did you talk about being an adoptee during that time period and what kinds of things help you through that dark time?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sara&nbsp;(</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=313.32" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:13</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Actually, I had no help like that. Looking back,...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sara was the baby in her family of four biological half brothers to one another, and one other brother who was also adopted like her just like her. When she hit puberty, a naturally more emotional time in our lives, she&nbsp;lost her grandmother, someone who never made her feel like an adoptee.&nbsp;She found her way out of the darkness from a suicide attempt and substance addiction, but still she hadn’t escaped depression. When she found her biological mother things started out well, but they turned grim when Sara caught the woman in lies about her biological father’s identity. In the end, her journey has taken a turn for the positive, but she lost many relationships that were important to her along the way. Still, Sara says she has no regrets.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/014-sarah-g/" target="_blank">014 – I Would Not Have Made It Without My Faith</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Sara&nbsp;(</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=5.16" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:05</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So for two years I'm believing he's my father. My kids finally meet them. We spend holidays, everything together, but something in my head saying really, really small. What if he's not your father?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=23.43" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:23</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.58" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:30</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=49" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:49</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Hey, it's Damon, and on the show today, I'm joined by Sarah. Sarah has lived in Indianapolis all of her life and all of her life, she's known she was an adoptee. In her family, there were six siblings, four older boys who are not adoptees and one brother who is also an adoptee and then Sara, the baby in the family. She said that even though she grew up with the knowledge that she was an adoptee, she had it very rough in her teenage years because she is adopted. Sarah battled depression, faced post traumatic stress disorder and even attempted suicide. She says she carried the emotional baggage of being adopted with her until she finally started to do something about it and search for her biological family. Her journey began with tremendous luck in finding her family very quickly, thanks to the great work of search angels. But her luck didn't hold out as lies were uncovered. And a DNA test proved that the man whom she thought was her biological father really was not. Here's Sarah's journey.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=111.59" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:51</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sarah says she was the baby in her family of four biological half-brothers to one another and one other, a brother, who was also adopted just like her</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sara&nbsp;(</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=120.24" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:00</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">For starters, Um, it's kind of cool in a sense. I'm the only girl, so I was very, very spoiled in that sense. Um, having all older brothers, I'm not the only adoptee, the youngest boy, he's also adopted, but we're not related at all. So that was something always cool to grow up with that we can relate to each other in that sense of both being adopted. Growing up wise, I'd say in a city, I didn't know anyb,ody at all, like myself besides my brother who was adopted. That's all my friends, they're born in their biological families, so I didn't have any friends that were adopted either, and most of them it was, they didn't even believe I was even adopted. It was like one of those things you'd say, I am adopted. They'd be like, nah, you look so much like your mom. And I never saw it. But yeah, I never saw it. So it's kind of funny when they get around my mom and I have to be like, mom, tell him I'm adopted so and so. They don't believe me. It was kind of weird kind of thing that they do. I was like the only odd man out on one besides my brother. I've always known I was adopted.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=183.28" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:03</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah. You grew up knowing.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sara&nbsp;(</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=185.28" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:05</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah, I knew. I never knew an age exactly when it was. I was told, I just, I've always known it. It never bothered me at all until about the age of 14 that's probably when it all came crashing down. Hit me pretty hard.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=199.71" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:19</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So. Sara's 14. She's hit puberty, which is a naturally more emotional time in all of our lives and she's lost her grandmother. Someone who never made her feel like an adoptee at all. What Sarah felt was favorite status with her grandmother, had disappeared with her death. I asked Sarah about whether she went to therapy and whether it was helpful during that dark time.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sara&nbsp;(</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=221.98" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:41</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">All the questions started hitting me then all of a sudden. I mean of course growing up I would always have the thoughts of, okay, you know, what's my birth mom or dad like and then it just disappear within a few seconds of thinking of it, no big deal. And then when I would hit 14 all of a sudden it was, Whoa, wait a minute. Why was I given up? Okay, they didn't love me then I wasn't, you know, worth it or I was just totally like garbage or all these just horrible thoughts. None of them were good anymore. Like you know, adopted family want to tell you that you're a chosen child and it was so wonderful and beautiful. I all of a sudden I wasn't looking at it like that anymore and it became very, very dark to where I attempted suicide. That year, my grandmother passed and she was on my adopted mothers side and growing up she was probably the main one who I never felt adopted at all, so that hit me along at the same year and then the rest of my adoptive family just seemed to change at the same time with it because I was pretty much like a favorite in her eyes versus against them. It just seemed like all of it was going away and it was all getting darker and darker for me and I was starting to become angrier and angrier about being adopted and not liking it at all. Wasn't such a cool thing after all.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=302.57" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:02</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So I assume you got some help after your suicide attempt. Did you talk about being an adoptee during that time period and what kinds of things help you through that dark time?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sara&nbsp;(</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=313.32" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:13</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Actually, I had no help like that. Looking back, I probably should have been in therapy. I'm in therapy now for it. But looking back, I never had anyone, even though like I said, mentioned my brother is adoptee, hit him and I look at it differently and we could talk about it. But back then at the same time he's four years older than me. We hated each other then it was a normal, you know, sibling bill. So I really had no one at all to talk to, but pretty much, God actually my faith was probably the main thing that helped me up and kept me going back then as well. But really there was no therapy or no teachers or pastors or no one to talk to it.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=357.51" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:57</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So in the absence of someone else to talk to, what did you tell yourself? How did you make yourself realize that life was worth living in? This was not something worth ending your life for?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sara&nbsp;(</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=370.75" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:10</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Wow, that's really an awesome question. I think that again, probably does go back to my faith. Um, I would still continue to have suicidal thoughts of course. Cause obviously I think that's when the depression did hit me. And of course when that did happen, obviously the, you know, normal society, Oh, you're depressed, let's, you know, throw the antidepressants at you. So obviously I knew that was there, but um, a peace would still come over me. When other evolves wanting to harm myself again or that those panic attacks would happen, I can just throw them off to the side but still wanting to go on. I would think there was still some, there's like a fire inside of me that I still wanted to keep going pretty much.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=410.26" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:50</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">That's a great thing to keep burning. I'm glad you discovered that fire and fueled that fire with your own faith. That's amazing. She found her way out of the darkness from suicide, but still she hadn't escaped depression, which also led her down a dark path of its own substance abuse and addiction.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sara&nbsp;(</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=429.34" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:09</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">My birth mother was a teen mom along to my adopted mother, so I became one at 17 so that, you know, there went school, there went everything like I dreamed of. I was, I was a young child and then as time went on in my twenties, to help deal with the pain that I had that started at age 14 I would press it with drugs becoming an addict. That was an 11 year battle that I had to deal with and fought a lot by myself as well as trying to hide that from the world too. At the same time as dealing with depression or in being an adoptee and a mom, a wife, all of it rolled into one while hiding it and it was definitely a rough time until three years ago when I had enough and was able to get clean and break that, but it's like always, of course goes back to that one primal wound of course, and being adopted.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=487.1" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:07</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">That's another powerful victory for you. I mean it sounds, again like you didn't have any therapy and that you broke free from addiction. It sounds almost relatively on your own. Is that an accurate?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sara&nbsp;(</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=497.54" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:17</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yep. Correct.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=498.14" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:18</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Wow. How did you do that</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sara&nbsp;(</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=501.43" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:21</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Again, really, I would have to say it really is faith. It really is.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=505.22" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:25</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">That's amazing.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sara&nbsp;(</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=506.89" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:26</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">A lot of people do laugh at that or they don't get it and I know there are a lot adoptees who do and I get why they do feel that way, hate God or they're against it. Where I'm on the other side of that spectrum whereas I wouldn't have made it without that because that was my only standing friend. There was my faith and God right there.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=525.66" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:45</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sierra survived another deep valley in her life climbing out on the strength of her faith. She decided that she wanted to find her biological family when she got older. She had been mother for a while herself and had started her search in her twenties but that was a time when she was still suffering from addiction and an era before the internet offered easy access and resources for people to find and connect with others.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sara&nbsp;(</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=548.61" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:08</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Three years ago, I started online and messed around a little bit and then I found a group on Facebook called search squad and it's full of search angels and they do it all for free and they help you find your bicycle family and I've always known him growing up. My birth, mother's name, her first and last name. And I had two younger brothers by her and that were born right after I was, cause she had me at the age of 14 and then right after that right smack after me came a boy and then so on. So I've always known that just pretty much my whole life. How am I mom found out? I don't know, but that's just what I've always known. So since I had that information I would, I put it into the group and an awesome search angel, her first name is Cher.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sara&nbsp;(</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/rXdU24xrheQnUfoDmUrZgeoUcedAQGegWmSTVxrrNfOt_2uI9VKBlQQD85VX-n19McUNfnrJVDbk5vErVS0TNCWOHYQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=592.68" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:52</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Um, she picked it up and it was easy to find out some information by her and bam, within then probably a couple hours I got a message back. Okay, here's your birth mom. She's married to this man. Here's a bunch of addresses. And I took it from there and I was able to find the man she was married to. They were always married but separated for so many years. And then he gives me the biggest shock of all. Apparently my birth mother had another daughter five years after I was born and put her up for adoption in the state of Kentucky. This is me. Like I said, I had six brothers so my whole life is I want a sister. So I was just, I mean emotions are everywhere. I'm just, I was crying. I was like, Oh my God, instant love because I've always known the boys were there.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sara&nbsp;(</span><a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/014-i-would-not-have-made-it-without-my-faith]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1583</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 01 Feb 2020 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/4eaf5459-5ede-4507-8486-e58e43d90578/014-sara-final.mp3" length="32399029" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>33:45</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>14</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>14</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Sara was the baby in her family of four biological half brothers to one another, and one other brother who was also adopted like her just like her. When she hit puberty, a naturally more emotional time in our lives, she lost her grandmother, someone who never made her feel like an adoptee. She found her way…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>008 – She Knew She Had To Do This For Me</title><itunes:title>008 – She Knew She Had To Do This For Me</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Cindy had one sister growing up in a mormon family in Las Vegas. But the two adoptees looked very different: Cindy’s blue eyes and blond hair were in stark contrast with her sister’s olive skin and brown hair. She was a very&nbsp;sick child battling illness throughout her life. She never had a burning desire to locate her biological family until she gave birth to her second child. Cindy really wanted to know more about the hereditary traits she was passing down to her children as her own health began to decline.&nbsp;With hope in her heart Cindy used Adoption Registry Connect (<a href=\"http://www.adopteeconnect.com/\" target=\"_blank\">http://www.adopteeconnect.com</a>),&nbsp;to locate&nbsp;her biological mother, almost immediately. Cindy’s mother admitted some painful family history that was responsible for her illness, but at least she had the answers she desperately needed to manage her own health.</p><p>The post <a href=\"http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/008-cindy-h/\" target=\"_blank\">008 – She Knew She Had To Do This For Me</a> appeared first on <a href=\"http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\" target=\"_blank\">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cindy had one sister growing up in a mormon family in Las Vegas. But the two adoptees looked very different: Cindy’s blue eyes and blond hair were in stark contrast with her sister’s olive skin and brown hair. She was a very&nbsp;sick child battling illness throughout her life. She never had a burning desire to locate her biological family until she gave birth to her second child. Cindy really wanted to know more about the hereditary traits she was passing down to her children as her own health began to decline.&nbsp;With hope in her heart Cindy used Adoption Registry Connect (<a href=\"http://www.adopteeconnect.com/\" target=\"_blank\">http://www.adopteeconnect.com</a>),&nbsp;to locate&nbsp;her biological mother, almost immediately. Cindy’s mother admitted some painful family history that was responsible for her illness, but at least she had the answers she desperately needed to manage her own health.</p><p>The post <a href=\"http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/008-cindy-h/\" target=\"_blank\">008 – She Knew She Had To Do This For Me</a> appeared first on <a href=\"http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\" target=\"_blank\">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/008-she-knew-she-had-to-do-this-for-me]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1518</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 25 Jan 2020 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/76dd6bc4-948f-48f0-b59f-8ad24017b267/008-cindy-h.mp3" length="32128393" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>33:28</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>8</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>8</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Cindy had one sister growing up in a mormon family in Las Vegas. But the two adoptees looked very different: Cindy’s blue eyes and blond hair were in stark contrast with her sister’s olive skin and brown hair. She was a very sick child battling illness throughout her life. She never had a burning desire to…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>055 – I’ve Found My Answers And Fulfillment Helping Other People</title><itunes:title>055 – I’ve Found My Answers And Fulfillment Helping Other People</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Katelyn followed her older adopted sister into&nbsp;rebellion against their adopted mother’s rule. Years later her husband suggested they do DNA tests when she got pregnant. Seeing relationships online she hadn’t considered before, she searched for her birth parents, uncovering family secrets and&nbsp;helping other adoptees in the family tree find theirs.&nbsp;At times, the&nbsp;search&nbsp;left Katelyn very puzzled, even totally dejected. She found her birth mother and sisters happy to meet her, and her birth father in prison.</p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Katelyn:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=5.73" target="_blank"><u>00:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was never asked about my adoption in any depth it was mentioned, but I always feel like my therapies were like, how do we fix Katelyn now, to make her okay with her environment or how do we fix her so that she can go home and her parents can manage her? It was never like, what’s going on with you? How were you feeling? What can we do to make your life better?</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.9" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.17" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Katelyn. When I spoke to her, she was living in New York City planning a move to northern Virginia. Well, what you’re about to hear is her story of rebellion against her mother’s rule when they lived in Pennsylvania and her eventual investigation into her roots in Florida and South Carolina. At times the search left, Katelyn very puzzled and even totally dejected. After an intensive search, she found her birth mother and sisters and her birth father in prison. I hope you’ll forgive the audio on this episode. This is Katelyn’s journey. The first five years of Katelyn’s life were picture perfect. Her parents had been married for quite a while and struggled with infertility when they decided to adopt through Catholic charities. Katelyn had an older adopted sister, but she wasn’t nearly as curious about adoption as Katelyn. Unfortunately, Katelyn’s parents divorced when she was about six.</p><p>Katelyn:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=119.24" target="_blank"><u>01:59</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;around the age of eight or so. My mom gave me an envelope. I had my non identifying information in it. I think I was about eight, yeah. My sister adoption was with a lawyer and her mother was a teenager. That’s literally all that we know, but my mother was older, and put in a lot of information apparently. Of course, you never know if that information is true or false. There was something that gave me a sense of what was possible. It was fairly detail.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=153.8" target="_blank"><u>02:33</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Do you know why? Why she gave it to you at the age of eight? Was it because you had been that inquisitive up until that point?</p><p>Katelyn:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=160.35" target="_blank"><u>02:40</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think it was to kind of shut me up because she, I would, I would pick her brain and even to this day I still asked her certain questions.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=169.02" target="_blank"><u>02:49</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Those pages were full of health information and a lot of background about her maternal side, but very little about her paternal side. One section described her birth mother as light complected and Katelyn’s caseworker told her adopted mother at the time that she and the birth mother resembled one another. Katelyn describes herself as having very curly hair. She says her skin tans very easily and her boyfriend growing up now, husband speculated that perhaps she was Puerto Rican. A best friend even asserted that her birth father was probably black, but Katelyn never knew for herself. She said during those early years, her parents began to fight. Their divorce was imminent, and even as a little girl, she could feel the tension between them. Katelyn, her mother and her sister had moved to central Pennsylvania back then and her maternal grandparents moved there too from the Midwest in order to help their daughter raise Katelyn and her older sister. Her mother studied in night school. So Katelyn spent the evenings at her grandparents and they got very attached to one another,</p><p>Katelyn:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=238.84" target="_blank"><u>03:58</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I ended up spending a lot of time with them, I was very outgoing and active and my mother, you know my adopted mother, was under a lot stress and I don’t think she was prepared. She raised two girls on her own, Dad was still in the picture, but he was a pharmacist, he worked a lot, we only saw them every other weekend, so pretty much she had full responsibility for us. Living with my grandparents I developed an extraordinarily close relationship with my grandfather. Probably the only true father figure I had growing up. He’s my best friend. He was a quiet man, but he, one thing he always told me, is you’re not gonna learn anything if you don’t ask questions. My mom tried to raise me as being seen and not heard, and yet my grandpa, my grandfather, and my adopted aunt, my mom’s sister in law, they kind of embraced my personality and my, you know, my, my story, I guess</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=294.98" target="_blank"><u>04:54</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Katelyn believes her adoptive mother was deeply impacted by her inability to have children naturally. She was raised on a pathway that would make her a good wife and mother. So when she couldn’t have children, she may have felt like she wasn’t good enough. Katelyn says her adoptive mother was very controlling and they’re opposing personalities, made their home life challenging</p><p>Katelyn:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=317.76" target="_blank"><u>05:17</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;from a very early age. I remember she, she controlled everything. Even down to the toys I played with. Like I had no choice in my own self expression. And I’m someone who, I’m someone who is artistic and musical and I don’t ever shut up. Very active and she’s just the complete opposite of all of...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katelyn followed her older adopted sister into&nbsp;rebellion against their adopted mother’s rule. Years later her husband suggested they do DNA tests when she got pregnant. Seeing relationships online she hadn’t considered before, she searched for her birth parents, uncovering family secrets and&nbsp;helping other adoptees in the family tree find theirs.&nbsp;At times, the&nbsp;search&nbsp;left Katelyn very puzzled, even totally dejected. She found her birth mother and sisters happy to meet her, and her birth father in prison.</p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Katelyn:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=5.73" target="_blank"><u>00:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was never asked about my adoption in any depth it was mentioned, but I always feel like my therapies were like, how do we fix Katelyn now, to make her okay with her environment or how do we fix her so that she can go home and her parents can manage her? It was never like, what’s going on with you? How were you feeling? What can we do to make your life better?</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.9" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.17" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Katelyn. When I spoke to her, she was living in New York City planning a move to northern Virginia. Well, what you’re about to hear is her story of rebellion against her mother’s rule when they lived in Pennsylvania and her eventual investigation into her roots in Florida and South Carolina. At times the search left, Katelyn very puzzled and even totally dejected. After an intensive search, she found her birth mother and sisters and her birth father in prison. I hope you’ll forgive the audio on this episode. This is Katelyn’s journey. The first five years of Katelyn’s life were picture perfect. Her parents had been married for quite a while and struggled with infertility when they decided to adopt through Catholic charities. Katelyn had an older adopted sister, but she wasn’t nearly as curious about adoption as Katelyn. Unfortunately, Katelyn’s parents divorced when she was about six.</p><p>Katelyn:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=119.24" target="_blank"><u>01:59</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;around the age of eight or so. My mom gave me an envelope. I had my non identifying information in it. I think I was about eight, yeah. My sister adoption was with a lawyer and her mother was a teenager. That’s literally all that we know, but my mother was older, and put in a lot of information apparently. Of course, you never know if that information is true or false. There was something that gave me a sense of what was possible. It was fairly detail.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=153.8" target="_blank"><u>02:33</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Do you know why? Why she gave it to you at the age of eight? Was it because you had been that inquisitive up until that point?</p><p>Katelyn:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=160.35" target="_blank"><u>02:40</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think it was to kind of shut me up because she, I would, I would pick her brain and even to this day I still asked her certain questions.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=169.02" target="_blank"><u>02:49</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Those pages were full of health information and a lot of background about her maternal side, but very little about her paternal side. One section described her birth mother as light complected and Katelyn’s caseworker told her adopted mother at the time that she and the birth mother resembled one another. Katelyn describes herself as having very curly hair. She says her skin tans very easily and her boyfriend growing up now, husband speculated that perhaps she was Puerto Rican. A best friend even asserted that her birth father was probably black, but Katelyn never knew for herself. She said during those early years, her parents began to fight. Their divorce was imminent, and even as a little girl, she could feel the tension between them. Katelyn, her mother and her sister had moved to central Pennsylvania back then and her maternal grandparents moved there too from the Midwest in order to help their daughter raise Katelyn and her older sister. Her mother studied in night school. So Katelyn spent the evenings at her grandparents and they got very attached to one another,</p><p>Katelyn:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=238.84" target="_blank"><u>03:58</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I ended up spending a lot of time with them, I was very outgoing and active and my mother, you know my adopted mother, was under a lot stress and I don’t think she was prepared. She raised two girls on her own, Dad was still in the picture, but he was a pharmacist, he worked a lot, we only saw them every other weekend, so pretty much she had full responsibility for us. Living with my grandparents I developed an extraordinarily close relationship with my grandfather. Probably the only true father figure I had growing up. He’s my best friend. He was a quiet man, but he, one thing he always told me, is you’re not gonna learn anything if you don’t ask questions. My mom tried to raise me as being seen and not heard, and yet my grandpa, my grandfather, and my adopted aunt, my mom’s sister in law, they kind of embraced my personality and my, you know, my, my story, I guess</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=294.98" target="_blank"><u>04:54</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Katelyn believes her adoptive mother was deeply impacted by her inability to have children naturally. She was raised on a pathway that would make her a good wife and mother. So when she couldn’t have children, she may have felt like she wasn’t good enough. Katelyn says her adoptive mother was very controlling and they’re opposing personalities, made their home life challenging</p><p>Katelyn:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=317.76" target="_blank"><u>05:17</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;from a very early age. I remember she, she controlled everything. Even down to the toys I played with. Like I had no choice in my own self expression. And I’m someone who, I’m someone who is artistic and musical and I don’t ever shut up. Very active and she’s just the complete opposite of all of that.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=342.09" target="_blank"><u>05:42</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So that must have been stressful to be held back in that way.</p><p>Katelyn:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=346.02" target="_blank"><u>05:46</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. And that turned me into a quote unquote problem child because she didn’t understand I guess what I needed and the, my adopted sister, she was quiet and kind of mousy and just kept to herself and likes to read books and you know, she was more like what I guess my mother expected out of a child. We were too and I think it was also hard for my sister growing up because I, I tended to get more attention or at least demand more attention, but yeah, no, it was definitely difficult. And then I was also raised in a really strict church and my mother being a divorced mom, the church kind of did look down on her and I just started seeing really weird things that didn’t feel right to me when I was at a fairly young age. It was just uncomfortable to me. And I remember my grandfather telling her that he felt that she believes that the church was basically causes like a cult and I remember him, you know, kind of just having her, there was not a good thing for us young kids to kind of be around that it was too intense. I kind of, I’ve, I’ve suffered from some pretty severe anxiety as of late and now reflecting back now I do realize that I had some pretty major anxiety.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=423.36" target="_blank"><u>07:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;A lot of her anxiety stems from her mother</p><p>Katelyn:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=425.96" target="_blank"><u>07:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;threatening if I didn’t behave that I was going to burn in hell and to get my heart right with the Lord because if God comes back, I’m going to be left here on earth alone. A young child like, just horrible things, horrible things.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=438.47" target="_blank"><u>07:18</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Now, as a mother herself, she finds that she’s lost in her ability to guide her son spiritually to underscore how traumatic her young life was with religion. Katelyn shared that her mother used to read the book of revelations to her at bedtime. I’m not a spiritual person myself, so I took a few moments to read a little bit about it for myself to understand what that experience might be like for a child. I learned that revelation speaks of apocalypse, eternal hell and false prophets being cast into a lake of fire</p><p>Katelyn:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=471.88" target="_blank"><u>07:51</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;like you might as well put on a horror movie for a little kid.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=476.27" target="_blank"><u>07:56</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Kateyln’s older sister really rebelled when she became a teenager hanging out with boys and doing drugs. Her antics made Katelyn closer to her mother because her older sister was out of the house, leaving her mother less stressed in the house. They went antiquing and horseback riding together, bonding with one another, but as Kateyln grew up, her mother tried to hold her back, attempting to preserve her as a little girl. She tried to shelter Katelyn, never talking to her about boys. Then she rebelled in her teen years, too.</p><p>Katelyn:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=510.35" target="_blank"><u>08:30</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Freshman Year of high school I moved out of her house.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=513.82" target="_blank"><u>08:33</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wow. That’s early.</p><p>Katelyn:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=516.41" target="_blank"><u>08:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah I was young. My sister was actually in placement, you know, she had to go live in like a group home due to criminal things… underaged drinking, things like that. We grew up in a small town, there’s not much to do. So when you’re a teenager and you’re hanging out with the wrong crowd, you’re probably gonna get in trouble. So I also followed that path. I was getting in trouble and I was institutionalized twice as a teenager.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=543.19" target="_blank"><u>09:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Institutionalized how?</p><p>Katelyn:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=545.62" target="_blank"><u>09:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;um, I got, I got, I got some underage drinking charges in my freshman year of high school. I did get caught with marijuana, I got put on probation. Yeah, then what put me into like a group home or juvenile detention is, um, I got in an argument with my father because the thing was my adopted father and he never really intervened. Even back when he was still married to my mom would never argue about anything. He would never say what he thought was best for us. He kinda just went along with everything, until things came to a head, he was very well, okay, whatever, you know, whatever you girls want to do, there was never really any structure or guidance or fathering. It was like, yes, he’s these are my kids and I’m financially responsible for them, but that was pretty much the extent of it,</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u_SOfMFD9iH2hxdlE9hoKdioF655U6j8_UdzNCwVGe09z52U-znepeKscrq9tiS2lA-wGveDJ6T1kjsJL0yCJQjZPl8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=596.24" target="_blank"><u>09:56</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;so he and your mother were complete opposites in terms of their parenting style, she was a controller, and he was completely open and just whatever you say is fine with me. Katelyn’s adopted dad is also older than her mother, so he was more of a hippie and her adoptive mother grew up pretty conservative. Further painting the picture of how opposite her...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/055-ive-found-my-answers-and-fulfillment-helping-other-people-2]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1983</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 18 Jan 2020 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/3acfa5be-d512-42c3-a609-ccc415fac5ed/055-ive-found-my-answers-and-fulfillment-helping-other-people-final.mp3" length="42111426" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>43:52</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>55</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>55</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Katelyn followed her older adopted sister into rebellion against their adopted mother’s rule. Years later her husband suggested they do DNA tests when she got pregnant. Seeing relationships online she hadn’t considered before, she searched for her birth parents, uncovering family secrets and helping other adoptees in the family tree find theirs. At times, the search left Katelyn very puzzled,…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>059 – I’m Heather 1</title><itunes:title>059 – I’m Heather 1</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Vonni learned from the neighbor’s child that she was adopted, but she was too young to know what it really meant. In her teen years, the yearning to understand her adoption led her on a journey an hour away to the adoption agency for her&nbsp;non-identifying information. It contained a horrible&nbsp;terrible story, that seemed to be questionable according to the social worker who documented her adoption.&nbsp;In the years that followed, Vonni continued to drive a long way to search the yearbook archives for her birth mother, only to be linked with her birth father first. When she found him he wasn’t interested in knowing Vonni, until his fond memories of her birth mother kicked in and they figured out she was a different daughter than he thought.&nbsp;He identified Vonni’s biological mother, and within months Vonni had met both parents.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><a href=\"#\" target=\"_blank\">Read Full Transcript</a>Vonnie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=5.07\" target=\"_blank\">00:05</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was, I was having such a great relationship with my dad, my bio dad that I, and I told him too. I said, you know, I found her and I said, I don’t even know if I’m going to call her because after meeting him it was enough. I didn’t feel like I needed her anymore.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=29.61\" target=\"_blank\">00:29</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Vonnie. She called me from Lincoln, Nebraska, where she shared her story of life and adoption as a teenager. Vonnie ventured in our, from her home to the adoption agency that placed her to try to understand more about herself in her non identifying information. She learned a terrible story that seemed to be questionable according to the social worker in the years that followed, she continued to drive a long way to search the yearbook archives for her birth mother. When she found her birth father, he wasn’t interested in knowing her until his fond memories of her birth mother kicked in. He identified the woman and within months Vonnie had met them both. This is Vonnie’s journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=94.03\" target=\"_blank\">01:34</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Vonnie and her younger brother were both adopted, but they’re not biological to one another, so she grew up fairly comfortable with the notion of adoption. Interestingly, she found out that she was adopted by accident when she was four years old, but she didn’t quite know what it meant.</p><p>Vonnie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=110.99\" target=\"_blank\">01:50</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My little neighbor friend next door who was six, we moved into the neighborhood about a year before my parents built the house and we were playing one day and he said, “you’re adopted”. And I was like, no, I didn’t know what it meant. And I was just like, okay. And then I didn’t think anything of it and a couple of hours later he came back over and crying and he said, “I’m sorry, I said you were adopted.” So he must have gone home and told his mom, you know what he said, and she said, you can’t say that or whatever. She said. And he came back and apologized and I just remember thinking that’s okay. Still not knowing what it meant.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=157.19\" target=\"_blank\">02:37</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Vonnie has a vague memory of her mother reading a children’s book about how special adoptees are, but it wasn’t until Vonnie was a teenager that her ankle and self-awareness shook things up. She started thinking about her biological family and whom she might have looked like among them as she developed her own opinions and began to express herself. She also started butting heads with her adopted Vonnie was coming into her own as her thoughts expanded about who she was as a person.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=185.23\" target=\"_blank\">03:05</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What did you think about. What did you imagine as you thought about your this other family? As you thought about yourself as an adoptee, what kinds of things did you think of?</p><p>Vonnie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=193.67\" target=\"_blank\">03:13</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, I knew certain things because my parents got non identifying information about my birth mother and my mom couldn’t remember everything by the time I was asking, but she told me a few things and that there was no father listed or no information about the father. And My mother was 16 and that was all she knew. And so I imagined that the 16 year old girl was like, whew, thank God I got rid of this, I don’t have to deal with this baby. And probably went on to have this crazy life and was probably a waitress living in a trailer. That’s what I imagined because she was so young and you know, I never thought, oh, she’s a rich, you know, princess somewhere. I, I just thought not very positive things about her because I knew that she knew I had been adopted obviously, and where I had come from and that if she ever wanted to contact me, she would know where I was and she never did. So I had bad feelings about her.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=264.5\" target=\"_blank\">04:24</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;When she turned 17, Vonnie went to the adoption agency for herself traveling an hour away from her home to obtain the sum of her non identifying information. It gave physical descriptions of both of her biological parents. Her mother is five foot two and blonde while her father is tall with dark hair according to the records. Vonnie identified with her father’s traits the most.</p><p>Vonnie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=288.25\" target=\"_blank\">04:48</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Then I spend this whole thing in my head. Like I’m just like him, I’m just like my father, whoever he is and I’ll never know who he is. So just not looking like anybody in the family is really, it’s really hard and people that look like their family members don’t appreciate that I don’t think.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=308.83\" target=\"_blank\">05:08</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, I could see that. And tell me a little bit about your opinion of your father. It sounds like you kind of identified with him, but I didn’t necessarily hear the...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vonni learned from the neighbor’s child that she was adopted, but she was too young to know what it really meant. In her teen years, the yearning to understand her adoption led her on a journey an hour away to the adoption agency for her&nbsp;non-identifying information. It contained a horrible&nbsp;terrible story, that seemed to be questionable according to the social worker who documented her adoption.&nbsp;In the years that followed, Vonni continued to drive a long way to search the yearbook archives for her birth mother, only to be linked with her birth father first. When she found him he wasn’t interested in knowing Vonni, until his fond memories of her birth mother kicked in and they figured out she was a different daughter than he thought.&nbsp;He identified Vonni’s biological mother, and within months Vonni had met both parents.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><a href=\"#\" target=\"_blank\">Read Full Transcript</a>Vonnie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=5.07\" target=\"_blank\">00:05</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was, I was having such a great relationship with my dad, my bio dad that I, and I told him too. I said, you know, I found her and I said, I don’t even know if I’m going to call her because after meeting him it was enough. I didn’t feel like I needed her anymore.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=29.61\" target=\"_blank\">00:29</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Vonnie. She called me from Lincoln, Nebraska, where she shared her story of life and adoption as a teenager. Vonnie ventured in our, from her home to the adoption agency that placed her to try to understand more about herself in her non identifying information. She learned a terrible story that seemed to be questionable according to the social worker in the years that followed, she continued to drive a long way to search the yearbook archives for her birth mother. When she found her birth father, he wasn’t interested in knowing her until his fond memories of her birth mother kicked in. He identified the woman and within months Vonnie had met them both. This is Vonnie’s journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=94.03\" target=\"_blank\">01:34</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Vonnie and her younger brother were both adopted, but they’re not biological to one another, so she grew up fairly comfortable with the notion of adoption. Interestingly, she found out that she was adopted by accident when she was four years old, but she didn’t quite know what it meant.</p><p>Vonnie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=110.99\" target=\"_blank\">01:50</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My little neighbor friend next door who was six, we moved into the neighborhood about a year before my parents built the house and we were playing one day and he said, “you’re adopted”. And I was like, no, I didn’t know what it meant. And I was just like, okay. And then I didn’t think anything of it and a couple of hours later he came back over and crying and he said, “I’m sorry, I said you were adopted.” So he must have gone home and told his mom, you know what he said, and she said, you can’t say that or whatever. She said. And he came back and apologized and I just remember thinking that’s okay. Still not knowing what it meant.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=157.19\" target=\"_blank\">02:37</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Vonnie has a vague memory of her mother reading a children’s book about how special adoptees are, but it wasn’t until Vonnie was a teenager that her ankle and self-awareness shook things up. She started thinking about her biological family and whom she might have looked like among them as she developed her own opinions and began to express herself. She also started butting heads with her adopted Vonnie was coming into her own as her thoughts expanded about who she was as a person.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=185.23\" target=\"_blank\">03:05</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What did you think about. What did you imagine as you thought about your this other family? As you thought about yourself as an adoptee, what kinds of things did you think of?</p><p>Vonnie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=193.67\" target=\"_blank\">03:13</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, I knew certain things because my parents got non identifying information about my birth mother and my mom couldn’t remember everything by the time I was asking, but she told me a few things and that there was no father listed or no information about the father. And My mother was 16 and that was all she knew. And so I imagined that the 16 year old girl was like, whew, thank God I got rid of this, I don’t have to deal with this baby. And probably went on to have this crazy life and was probably a waitress living in a trailer. That’s what I imagined because she was so young and you know, I never thought, oh, she’s a rich, you know, princess somewhere. I, I just thought not very positive things about her because I knew that she knew I had been adopted obviously, and where I had come from and that if she ever wanted to contact me, she would know where I was and she never did. So I had bad feelings about her.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=264.5\" target=\"_blank\">04:24</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;When she turned 17, Vonnie went to the adoption agency for herself traveling an hour away from her home to obtain the sum of her non identifying information. It gave physical descriptions of both of her biological parents. Her mother is five foot two and blonde while her father is tall with dark hair according to the records. Vonnie identified with her father’s traits the most.</p><p>Vonnie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=288.25\" target=\"_blank\">04:48</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Then I spend this whole thing in my head. Like I’m just like him, I’m just like my father, whoever he is and I’ll never know who he is. So just not looking like anybody in the family is really, it’s really hard and people that look like their family members don’t appreciate that I don’t think.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=308.83\" target=\"_blank\">05:08</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, I could see that. And tell me a little bit about your opinion of your father. It sounds like you kind of identified with him, but I didn’t necessarily hear the negative.,</p><p>Vonnie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=319.21\" target=\"_blank\">05:19</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My birth father, what did you think of him? Well, he was um, in my mind he was just a tall, dark mystery man and I really never spent any time thinking about him except wondering what he looked like. And that’s interesting that you point that out because I never thought about that. I never thought about what’s he doing or where is he until actually about maybe like 10 years ago. It just hit me that he was probably in Vietnam and that he, he could be dead and I’ll never know. And that’s really the only thoughts I ever had about him. It was mostly about her</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=359.96\" target=\"_blank\">05:59</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;when she described the differences between her adopted parents and herself. Vonnie spoke vocationally. Her mother was a teacher and her father had been in the military and manage the glass factory in her youth. Her parents made sure she got dance art and music lessons and Vonnie was always good at them all. Currently she works as an artist and while her parents appreciated her talents and interests, they didn’t share her passions,</p><p>Vonnie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=385.03\" target=\"_blank\">06:25</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;but I remember when I was like nine, we went to a South Pacific, the musical, and it just took my breath away. Could not believe it. That’s just the greatest thing I’d ever seen in my life. At intermission, we left because my dad was done. I was devastated. I could not believe we were leaving.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=405.96\" target=\"_blank\">06:45</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Vonnie, majored in theater in college and went on to work in theaters and art galleries. She was the opposite of her brother who was an eagle scout, an athlete and was the all around good guy opposing her position as the troublemaker. Vonnie said her desire to search had been festering before she took that hour long trip to the agency at 17 years old. Obviously the agency could only share a little bit about her birth mother, but they did reveal something interesting.</p><p>Vonnie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=433.06\" target=\"_blank\">07:13</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And then they also told me that she had a common name and that there was another girl in her class with the same first and last name is she had. So then I started years of going through yearbooks in that city, trying to find two girls with the same name that had blonde hair next to each other and you know, just whatever research I could do. This is before the Internet. And. And how did you get? Not every day, you know, everyone’s not. I had to go to Omaha where she was from and go to the. I can’t even remember the name of it, but it’s like a sort of a records and archives. Yeah, right. Oh, that’s interesting. And I will look through. I looked through microfiche and because I also knew that she got married when she was 17 and obviously it wasn’t to my father. And so then I went looking through archives of 1967, 68 marriages looking for… Because the other thing I knew about her was that what they said was that she had an unusual middle name. So I was looking for a common name, you know, with a strange middle name and a common last name getting married and I mean this could have gone on forever.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=509.99\" target=\"_blank\">08:29</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The archives where Vonnie searched rere an hour from her home. So you can imagine the commitment it took to embark on such a search through old yearbooks and microfiche. Vonnie also asked the agency to do a search in 1991 when she had her first son. She knew medical information was a good reason to continue the journey. They were required to find the woman and get her permission to release the medical information before any information to Vonnie.</p><p>Vonnie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=537.63\" target=\"_blank\">08:57</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, what they did, I found out later was they sent a letter to the address that she lived at when she was 16. Of course she didn’t still live there, you know, she didn’t, they didn’t get a response. And that was what I got for my hundred bucks and the next time I tried it had gone up to 200 and I think actually I might have paid them two times and of course they could never come up with anything. The agency is in the same town where she lived, but you know, they just absolutely couldn’t find her. And I got so disgusted probably in about 2000 2005 probably, I was just like, I’m not giving you guys any more money. You’re not helping</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=579.84\" target=\"_blank\">09:39</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;as it’s sometimes the case in an adoption agency. The person tasked with the search and reunion services is asked to do so in addition to their other duties. It’s not a full time dedicated position. Most often the person is faced with a large workload, but not much time with which to investigate any one case. It’s a shame in Vonnie’s case because the person they were looking for was probably uniquely identifiable by her middle name. Exasperated by the lack of responsiveness from the adoption agency. She shared her experience with her childhood best friend and fellow adoptee. The woman worked at a biotech company on the west coast and had heard about the new DNA sequencing being offered by 23andMe, so she suggested Vonnie submitted DNA sample. Of course, back then the database of potential matches was so slim. It took months for Vonnie to even get a third cousin match, let alone find a birth parent. She contacted that person who wanted to be helpful, but her cousin couldn’t identify anyone in the family who might have had a child and then gotten married.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=644.46\" target=\"_blank\">10:44</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So 23 and me didn’t prove to be helpful.</p><p>Vonnie:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8hniu4VgcnIXRx5jmx1c9pze8DIvaVgy3Cle0AhBrZhAxUELgp7AttXyh9FhF25olJwfwYnCXxvf_y9TQpJVltHW_Vw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=647.86\" target=\"_blank\">10:47</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;No, but the interesting thing that it told me, which I loved, was that it told me I was 48 percent Irish, which I also. That always bothered me not knowing what I was because I have dark hair. I Tan really easily. Um, I’m tall and I could. I thought, am I Italian? Am I American Indian? Am I… I never thought I was Irish because you don’t think I’m dark hair and I’m really excited. Right, right. And that, that was a great day.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/059-im-heather-1]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2074</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 04 Jan 2020 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/428ca985-c9a9-4e67-9df9-4c75e1d957fb/059-im-heather-1-final.mp3" length="43537038" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>45:21</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>59</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>59</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Vonni learned from the neighbor’s child that she was adopted, but she was too young to know what it really meant. In her teen years, the yearning to understand her adoption led her on a journey an hour away to the adoption agency for her non-identifying information. It contained a horrible terrible story, that seemed to be…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>062 – One Month Of Bonding Helped Me With A Lifetime In Adoption</title><itunes:title>062 – One Month Of Bonding Helped Me With A Lifetime In Adoption</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Tim was&nbsp;adopted&nbsp;into a Lutheran family and his&nbsp;curiosity&nbsp;about his roots started when he was very young. When he met his biological mother, she&nbsp;portrayed her husband as Tim’s father, but the truth came out when her daughters suggested a different version of the truth. It wasn’t until Tim’s early 70’s that he made paternal links and solved the mysteries of his life</p><p><a href=\"#\" target=\"_blank\">Read Full Transcript</a>Tim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1.29\" target=\"_blank\"><u>00:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So they were staying with me and then they brought me along to the convention, into the Party afterwards and brought me to the party and these are old friends of theirs saying, well, who is this? Who is this? And again, they played the kind of joke routine, oh, he’s the, he’s relative doesn’t he, look like us, don’t you think he looks like us then. And then there was a lot of laughter and that crossed the line. That was one of the lower points of this whole thing for me.</p><p>Intro voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=36.53\" target=\"_blank\"><u>00:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=48.021\" target=\"_blank\"><u>00:48</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show you’re going to be Tim who called me from Brooklyn, New York. I asked him if he was a native New Yorker and he said, no, I’ve only been here 50 years. He was born and raised in Minnesota. You’ll hear him describe a life where he was allowed to bond with his birth mother early, which he feels made a huge difference in his adoption. Later. His faith, which he followed a long way, turned out to be quite different from his heritage. Tim shares how his birth mother first didn’t want to meet, but was convinced to do so by Tim’s father or so he thought many decades later, Tim searches over as he’s found the missing pieces in his seventies. This is Tim’s journey….Tim was born in St Paul, Minnesota in 1944 at booth memorial hospital run by the Salvation Army in connection with a home for unwed mothers.</p><p>Tim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=110.3\" target=\"_blank\"><u>01:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I like to say I think it was significant that my birth mother kept me for a little over a month. I don’t know if that was a policy back then, but uh, I look back and think… I’m not a bitter person. I think the fact that she. She nursed me and she kept me for a little over a month. I think that… That helped in this whole adoption process.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=135.76\" target=\"_blank\"><u>02:15</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What did you mean by that?</p><p>Tim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=138.32\" target=\"_blank\"><u>02:18</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I’ve read a couple books. “Primal Wound” being a being a pretty significant book and it just feels to me like I had that connection. I had that bonding with, uh, with my mother, with my birth mother and as a primal wound refers to the sounds and the smells and all that of the woman whose body you were in for nine months. But I… that remained for at least a month, a little longer than a month. I think it might’ve even been the policy at the salvation army back then. I’m not sure, but she kept me there at the home for four or five or six weeks. And so to me it feels like that helped. Uh, I think then I’m sure there was a trauma who really knows, but when I left that and was placed in basically an orphanage for five or six months, um, I’m sure that was traumatic on some level, but at least I had that one month of uh affection and closeness and bonding that I could relate to. And then, and from what I can figure, of course, who knows when we’re that young. But, uh, when I was adopted by my adoptive parents, I seem to cling to my adoptive mother affectionately for actually the rest of my life.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=237.37\" target=\"_blank\"><u>03:57</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What you’ve said is really interesting. You’re probably right if you were born and bonded to your mother for a month and then you know, separated when she left you to be adopted, the next person that you would have gotten a hold of with your tiny little baby hands would be somebody that you cling to. That’s really interesting.</p><p>Tim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=263.39\" target=\"_blank\"><u>04:23</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I mean I just have a vivid memory as does my adopted mother of me just being beyond affectionate with her her whole life.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=273.67\" target=\"_blank\"><u>04:33</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;After that first month of bonding, Tim’s mother transferred him to Lutheran social services where he stayed for five or six months. At some point, he developed either measles or mumps, which held up his adoption. Then he was placed with his family. Tim’s adoptive mother had been a social worker at the very agency through which he was adopted. He figures that professional experience made her particularly sensitive to the needs of adoptees. She quit the social work job five years before bringing him home. After adopting their first daughter, his older sister, he was placed in 1945, but since then he’s found out that he was officially adopted in 1949, asking others about the five year gap between his placement and his official adoption. Folks who know the process well say they feel that timeline is unusually long. Tim speaks very highly of his adopted mother and juxtaposes his affection against his older and younger sisters.</p><p>Tim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=333.15\" target=\"_blank\"><u>05:33</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I refer to her. Of course she’s been dead for quite a while, but um, I refer to her as my lifesaver really because she was the absolute epitome of unconditional love as far as I was concerned. She, she had my back no matter what and I’m sure she was happy to get all the affection that I was her, my, my older, a sister adopted sister, uh, was not very affectionate and, and neither was my younger sister who was their child, their biological child, but neither of them were a super affectionate type as II was and still am to some...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim was&nbsp;adopted&nbsp;into a Lutheran family and his&nbsp;curiosity&nbsp;about his roots started when he was very young. When he met his biological mother, she&nbsp;portrayed her husband as Tim’s father, but the truth came out when her daughters suggested a different version of the truth. It wasn’t until Tim’s early 70’s that he made paternal links and solved the mysteries of his life</p><p><a href=\"#\" target=\"_blank\">Read Full Transcript</a>Tim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1.29\" target=\"_blank\"><u>00:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So they were staying with me and then they brought me along to the convention, into the Party afterwards and brought me to the party and these are old friends of theirs saying, well, who is this? Who is this? And again, they played the kind of joke routine, oh, he’s the, he’s relative doesn’t he, look like us, don’t you think he looks like us then. And then there was a lot of laughter and that crossed the line. That was one of the lower points of this whole thing for me.</p><p>Intro voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=36.53\" target=\"_blank\"><u>00:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=48.021\" target=\"_blank\"><u>00:48</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show you’re going to be Tim who called me from Brooklyn, New York. I asked him if he was a native New Yorker and he said, no, I’ve only been here 50 years. He was born and raised in Minnesota. You’ll hear him describe a life where he was allowed to bond with his birth mother early, which he feels made a huge difference in his adoption. Later. His faith, which he followed a long way, turned out to be quite different from his heritage. Tim shares how his birth mother first didn’t want to meet, but was convinced to do so by Tim’s father or so he thought many decades later, Tim searches over as he’s found the missing pieces in his seventies. This is Tim’s journey….Tim was born in St Paul, Minnesota in 1944 at booth memorial hospital run by the Salvation Army in connection with a home for unwed mothers.</p><p>Tim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=110.3\" target=\"_blank\"><u>01:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I like to say I think it was significant that my birth mother kept me for a little over a month. I don’t know if that was a policy back then, but uh, I look back and think… I’m not a bitter person. I think the fact that she. She nursed me and she kept me for a little over a month. I think that… That helped in this whole adoption process.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=135.76\" target=\"_blank\"><u>02:15</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What did you mean by that?</p><p>Tim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=138.32\" target=\"_blank\"><u>02:18</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I’ve read a couple books. “Primal Wound” being a being a pretty significant book and it just feels to me like I had that connection. I had that bonding with, uh, with my mother, with my birth mother and as a primal wound refers to the sounds and the smells and all that of the woman whose body you were in for nine months. But I… that remained for at least a month, a little longer than a month. I think it might’ve even been the policy at the salvation army back then. I’m not sure, but she kept me there at the home for four or five or six weeks. And so to me it feels like that helped. Uh, I think then I’m sure there was a trauma who really knows, but when I left that and was placed in basically an orphanage for five or six months, um, I’m sure that was traumatic on some level, but at least I had that one month of uh affection and closeness and bonding that I could relate to. And then, and from what I can figure, of course, who knows when we’re that young. But, uh, when I was adopted by my adoptive parents, I seem to cling to my adoptive mother affectionately for actually the rest of my life.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=237.37\" target=\"_blank\"><u>03:57</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What you’ve said is really interesting. You’re probably right if you were born and bonded to your mother for a month and then you know, separated when she left you to be adopted, the next person that you would have gotten a hold of with your tiny little baby hands would be somebody that you cling to. That’s really interesting.</p><p>Tim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=263.39\" target=\"_blank\"><u>04:23</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I mean I just have a vivid memory as does my adopted mother of me just being beyond affectionate with her her whole life.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=273.67\" target=\"_blank\"><u>04:33</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;After that first month of bonding, Tim’s mother transferred him to Lutheran social services where he stayed for five or six months. At some point, he developed either measles or mumps, which held up his adoption. Then he was placed with his family. Tim’s adoptive mother had been a social worker at the very agency through which he was adopted. He figures that professional experience made her particularly sensitive to the needs of adoptees. She quit the social work job five years before bringing him home. After adopting their first daughter, his older sister, he was placed in 1945, but since then he’s found out that he was officially adopted in 1949, asking others about the five year gap between his placement and his official adoption. Folks who know the process well say they feel that timeline is unusually long. Tim speaks very highly of his adopted mother and juxtaposes his affection against his older and younger sisters.</p><p>Tim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=333.15\" target=\"_blank\"><u>05:33</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I refer to her. Of course she’s been dead for quite a while, but um, I refer to her as my lifesaver really because she was the absolute epitome of unconditional love as far as I was concerned. She, she had my back no matter what and I’m sure she was happy to get all the affection that I was her, my, my older, a sister adopted sister, uh, was not very affectionate and, and neither was my younger sister who was their child, their biological child, but neither of them were a super affectionate type as II was and still am to some extent</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=381.16\" target=\"_blank\"><u>06:21</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That’s really cool. The kids always knew they were adopted tins. Older sister, five years, his senior was adopted through the family. Her birth mother was their mother’s sister. In other words, she was raised by her aunt, but Tim sister never knew that her aunt was her birth mother until a drunken uncle spilled the beans. As a quick side note, Tim’s sister approached her aunt, her birth mother, to try to reconnect, but her aunt wasn’t perceptive. They had a strained relationship and his sister spent a lot of time trying to find her birth father and trying to locate a daughter that she had given up for adoption. So in Tim’s immediate family, there were two older adoptees. Then six years after Tim’s adoption, his parents conceived his younger sister even though his mother was prompted to adopt after a few miscarriages.</p><p>Tim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=430.69\" target=\"_blank\"><u>07:10</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The joke is everybody thought she had the flu but it was to my younger sister and to this day I still refer to her as the flu baby! and like I said, I think honestly I think mothers in their forties and she raised us too and she was tired. I get the feeling kind of tired, so she kind of let the younger one, become a bit of a wild child and strangely enough there was a bonding and even my sister was saying she never really bonded with mother that much.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=475.39\" target=\"_blank\"><u>07:55</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Tim says that the sisters within 11 years spread between them never bonded either. Actually, his words were, there was no love lost between them. Tim said that if he mentions his older sister’s name, even though she’s deceased, the younger sisters still implodes with furious, feelings about their relationship. I kind of speculated that his older sister and adoptee who already wasn’t the affectionate type, might have questioned her adoption and the introduction of their biological sister could have been sobering for their older sister. I don’t know, and neither does Tim.</p><p>Tim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=509.45\" target=\"_blank\"><u>08:29</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My oldest sister was never really a happy go lucky person at all. I, in fact, that makes. She told me that when they went to pick me up at the orphanage, she I was not the one she wanted him to take, let’s put it that way. Oh yeah. she let me know it. Believe me me. She had own demons. He was fighting most of her life.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=538.22\" target=\"_blank\"><u>08:58</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I asked him to return to his childhood and his memories of clinging to his mother. He said he had a great childhood and was happy at school and it wasn’t a popular kid, but he said he did have a couple of moments of questioning the whole adoption thing.</p><p>Tim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=551.55\" target=\"_blank\"><u>09:11</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think I was in fourth grade and I just casually mentioned to my best buddy at the time that I was adopted and he almost fell over. was like, what couldn’t be true and blah, blah, blah. And I, this was kind of stunned me. Like, yeah, what’s the big deal? I was adopted. So. And then that night he called and said he didn’t want to speak to me, wanted to speak to my mother, and so he spoke to her and asked her, is that really true? Was Tim really adopted? And that starts me thinking, good Lord, this is more of a thing that I’m really making it or it is to some people. Anyway, so my mother, again, being the wise, a former social worker threw out the line that know we chose him. You’ve heard that word chosen, I’m sure by other people. But uh, you know, so she kind of reassured him and said, yes, it’s true with Blah Blah Blah.</p><p>Tim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=616.91\" target=\"_blank\"><u>10:16</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So, okay, that’s fine. And then the next day, fourth grade show and tell this little friend of mine gets up and his show and tell is that guess what Tim</p><p>was adopted. And I’m like, good Lord, wow me for a loop. And then the teacher who again, that was a good student and popular and all that. She said, uh, so Tim, I’d like to see you after school for a little bit that day. So I saw her and she said, is it true? So, you know, that’s the only real experience. And Times I remember as a, as a kid that I, I kind of had to face the reality of being adopted, but uh, and it threw me off a little bit but really didn’t, didn’t make, didn’t change me much.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=679.52\" target=\"_blank\"><u>11:19</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It must have been such a shock for Tim’s fourth grade buddy to call his mother for confirmation of his adoption and then to out him during show and tell the next day. But that wasn’t any real catalyst for tim’s curiosity to search for his birth parents. Thinking back on when his curiosity was peaked, he mentioned his older sister learning. Her aunt was her birth mother when he was in college was one big moment, but she wasn’t the only one adopted within the family</p><p>Tim:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=707.18\" target=\"_blank\"><u>11:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And then we hand a cousin in the extended family who we all knew was adopted through the chain. Father’s cousin was actually his birth mother. It was kind of common knowledge, but us three, my sister, my cousin and myself are the only three int a rather large extended family on both sides. Both my adoptive mother and adopted father’s side, but we are the only three that were adopted and those two having been adopted through the family chain really made me curious about, okay, one of these guys or gals walking around here that I know his aunt or cousin or something if I want to know my birth parents. And so that really peaked my curiosity. And then it was about the time this. You have to realize this is a long time ago, 1968. Probably before you were even thought of, but the agency. There was a social worker, and I wish I could remember her name because she was a big advocate for the rights of adopted adults and she had written an article in a Church magazine on the rights of adopted adults and it spoke to me, not only spoke to me, but she was from the very agency through which I was adopted. and I thought, you know really? Yeah.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/cKDebPl_pp4gFeJ09cRlnCTEoOCCFUXWzbqM5Kyv3Geus8VbiA0I_Fn9EaRIbWZq38xGaKp8xhEsyH_nhDIqBSqd0G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=800.51\"...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/062-one-month-of-bonding-helped-me-with-a-lifetime-in-adoption]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2101</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0b6b7b66-6a0f-4f1c-a4e4-18f7fd210b1c/fZazZvaRTySx9vGSak9bxutS.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 28 Dec 2019 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/72f85059-39be-498e-bf60-03d255df34b7/062-tim-walther-final-draft.mp3" length="44203730" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>46:03</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>62</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>62</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Tim was adopted into a Lutheran family and his curiosity about his roots started when he was very young. When he met his biological mother, she portrayed her husband as Tim’s father, but the truth came out when her daughters suggested a different version of the truth. It wasn’t until Tim’s early 70’s that he made paternal links and solved…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>039 – I’m An Adult, But They’re Acting Like Children</title><itunes:title>039 – I’m An Adult, But They’re Acting Like Children</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Mitch’s parents adopted his older brother, then him. Then they got a surprise addition to the family. They had a great life outside of Chicago, but Mitch did feel somewhat sidelined by the attention paid to his youngest sibling. He learned as a teen that not everyone in his family was supportive of adoptions, and his attempts at reunion have been a frustrating set of rejections.</p><p>The post <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/039-im-adult-theyre-acting-like-children/\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">039 – I’m An Adult, But They’re Acting Like Children</a> appeared first on <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Mitch (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.25" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:03</a>):</p><p>And I pulled up my shirt and I pointed to my belly button and I said, I don't know who this was attached to you do. You can look at yours and you know exactly who yours was attached to. I have never, in 45 years been in the same room as the woman that mine was attached to. I don't know who she is.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=27.49" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:27</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Mitch who spoke with me from Chicago. He grew up in a rural area outside of the city, which can be great for a kid to be outdoors, but tough. When you're trying to make friends with the neighbors. Mitch grew up feeling like his adoption was just fine, but soon he realized that not everyone in his family truly believed that throughout his life he's been reminded of his position as an adoptee, from painful visits to the doctor's office, with his wife to hurtful comments by family members. Mitch has struggled to make connections with his biological family. And ultimately he just wishes people could own up to the past and face the present because he is here because of them. This is Mitch's journey, Mitch's parents adopted his older brother and they already knew that they would adopt again. So they made the arrangements. When they brought Mitch home, they didn't realize they were already adding a third baby to their family</p><p>Mitch (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=104.14" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:44</a>):</p><p>as happened, um, with women who have had such difficulties that once in the act of parenting, it seems to help regulate whichever hormones were out of whack and causing the miscarriages. And so when they brought me home, I don't think they quite realize that my mom was pregnant. Um, I have a younger sister who was their biological child who has eight months younger than I am. Wow. So it was like the Irish twins. You know, my mom has joked about how people would give her just the dirtiest looks. And I'm like, what do you mean the dirtiest? Cause you had two kids. And she said, no, because you could tell that they weren't twins because they were obviously different sizes. And it was a look like you just couldn't keep your knees together for two minutes.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=152.36" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:32</a>):</p><p>she was being judged.</p><p>Mitch (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=154.59" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:34</a>):</p><p>Oh wow. Yeah, there was a little bit of that.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=157.31" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:37</a>):</p><p>The family moved out to what was at the time, a rural part of Illinois. He grew up on a huge plot of acres of land, which is a great environment for exploration, but lonely. When it comes to having friends your age,</p><p>Mitch (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=170.06" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:50</a>):</p><p>I grew up on five acres with hundreds of trees and a pond. Um, it was absolutely bucolic and we had horses and motorcycles and snowmobiles and you know, you walk outside and you can do so many things.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=185.73" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:05</a>):</p><p>It's like a Wonderland for a kid.</p><p>Mitch (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=187.76" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:07</a>):</p><p>Yeah, exactly. The downside to it was that there were no other kids my age, anywhere around. I mean, it was a drive of miles to get to like a friend's house from school. I mean, it wasn't like it was all farmland, but there were still farms out there.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=203.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:23</a>):</p><p>Mitch has always known he was adopted because his parents wanted to be the ones to share with their children, how their family was formed. They didn't want the boys to find out by accident from someone else that they were adopted. However, as he got a little older, he learned that not everyone was okay with adoption, like his grandfather, for example, Mitch recounted a moment in his teens when the hardened retired, Chicago detective expressed his disapproval in an overt, but underhanded way, he also shares the negative effects of feeling sidelined by the attention that was paid to his younger sister over himself.</p><p>Mitch (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=238.31" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:58</a>):</p><p>My mom had two brothers, they had only girls. So my brother and I were his only grandsons. So for this guy who was like such a traditional. And so you would think I don't brand sites, you know, but he, he, wasn't a personable person to begin with. Um, and years later I think I was in college. He was in a nursing home and my mom and I went for a visit and he leaned over to my mom and you know, almost like he was doing it. So I couldn't hear, but it was plainly done so that I could hear, uh, he leaned over and said, who is that? And she said, you know who that is? And the way she said that, I just had this gut feeling that this was not the first time that this had happened. He had done this. And one more time, he said, who, who is that? And she said, you know, damn well who that is. And he said, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's Jack. And Esther's at that time.</p><p>Mitch (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=304.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:04</a>):</p><p>And you know, it was like, I just, if, if that had been an undercurrent before that I was oblivious to it just never noticed it didn't want to notice it. I don't know. But that was, you know, that was quite a striking moment. So, you know, so, so as far as other people, I don't know. I mean, there's a part of me that looks back and thinks, you know what, like my sister, she was the only girl she was the baby, but there's part of me that feels like there was a little bit like kind of this golden child thing, where there were some friends of the family that were just always about my sister, always. Um, and, and I felt like I was kind of off to the side. Like just didn't figure it. And there's part of me. That's like, you know, Hey, I'm over here. I'm the one who's on the honor roll. I'm the one who's on the Dean's list. I'm the one who a four year ride to a major university. I'm the one who is a graduate teaching fellow at another university. You know? I mean like, come on, you know, but it's her, her, her, um, to this day with some of those folks. So, I mean, I've, I've told my mom, like, if I never see those people again, I'm cool with it. I don't feel the need.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=376.2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:16</a>):</p><p>Yeah, no, I, I totally get it. And I wonder, how did that impact your relationship with your parents and with your sister?</p><p>Mitch (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=385.96" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:25</a>):</p><p>Um, negatively, because of course they...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitch’s parents adopted his older brother, then him. Then they got a surprise addition to the family. They had a great life outside of Chicago, but Mitch did feel somewhat sidelined by the attention paid to his youngest sibling. He learned as a teen that not everyone in his family was supportive of adoptions, and his attempts at reunion have been a frustrating set of rejections.</p><p>The post <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/039-im-adult-theyre-acting-like-children/\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">039 – I’m An Adult, But They’re Acting Like Children</a> appeared first on <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Mitch (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.25" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:03</a>):</p><p>And I pulled up my shirt and I pointed to my belly button and I said, I don't know who this was attached to you do. You can look at yours and you know exactly who yours was attached to. I have never, in 45 years been in the same room as the woman that mine was attached to. I don't know who she is.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=27.49" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:27</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Mitch who spoke with me from Chicago. He grew up in a rural area outside of the city, which can be great for a kid to be outdoors, but tough. When you're trying to make friends with the neighbors. Mitch grew up feeling like his adoption was just fine, but soon he realized that not everyone in his family truly believed that throughout his life he's been reminded of his position as an adoptee, from painful visits to the doctor's office, with his wife to hurtful comments by family members. Mitch has struggled to make connections with his biological family. And ultimately he just wishes people could own up to the past and face the present because he is here because of them. This is Mitch's journey, Mitch's parents adopted his older brother and they already knew that they would adopt again. So they made the arrangements. When they brought Mitch home, they didn't realize they were already adding a third baby to their family</p><p>Mitch (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=104.14" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:44</a>):</p><p>as happened, um, with women who have had such difficulties that once in the act of parenting, it seems to help regulate whichever hormones were out of whack and causing the miscarriages. And so when they brought me home, I don't think they quite realize that my mom was pregnant. Um, I have a younger sister who was their biological child who has eight months younger than I am. Wow. So it was like the Irish twins. You know, my mom has joked about how people would give her just the dirtiest looks. And I'm like, what do you mean the dirtiest? Cause you had two kids. And she said, no, because you could tell that they weren't twins because they were obviously different sizes. And it was a look like you just couldn't keep your knees together for two minutes.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=152.36" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:32</a>):</p><p>she was being judged.</p><p>Mitch (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=154.59" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:34</a>):</p><p>Oh wow. Yeah, there was a little bit of that.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=157.31" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:37</a>):</p><p>The family moved out to what was at the time, a rural part of Illinois. He grew up on a huge plot of acres of land, which is a great environment for exploration, but lonely. When it comes to having friends your age,</p><p>Mitch (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=170.06" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:50</a>):</p><p>I grew up on five acres with hundreds of trees and a pond. Um, it was absolutely bucolic and we had horses and motorcycles and snowmobiles and you know, you walk outside and you can do so many things.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=185.73" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:05</a>):</p><p>It's like a Wonderland for a kid.</p><p>Mitch (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=187.76" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:07</a>):</p><p>Yeah, exactly. The downside to it was that there were no other kids my age, anywhere around. I mean, it was a drive of miles to get to like a friend's house from school. I mean, it wasn't like it was all farmland, but there were still farms out there.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=203.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:23</a>):</p><p>Mitch has always known he was adopted because his parents wanted to be the ones to share with their children, how their family was formed. They didn't want the boys to find out by accident from someone else that they were adopted. However, as he got a little older, he learned that not everyone was okay with adoption, like his grandfather, for example, Mitch recounted a moment in his teens when the hardened retired, Chicago detective expressed his disapproval in an overt, but underhanded way, he also shares the negative effects of feeling sidelined by the attention that was paid to his younger sister over himself.</p><p>Mitch (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=238.31" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:58</a>):</p><p>My mom had two brothers, they had only girls. So my brother and I were his only grandsons. So for this guy who was like such a traditional. And so you would think I don't brand sites, you know, but he, he, wasn't a personable person to begin with. Um, and years later I think I was in college. He was in a nursing home and my mom and I went for a visit and he leaned over to my mom and you know, almost like he was doing it. So I couldn't hear, but it was plainly done so that I could hear, uh, he leaned over and said, who is that? And she said, you know who that is? And the way she said that, I just had this gut feeling that this was not the first time that this had happened. He had done this. And one more time, he said, who, who is that? And she said, you know, damn well who that is. And he said, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's Jack. And Esther's at that time.</p><p>Mitch (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=304.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:04</a>):</p><p>And you know, it was like, I just, if, if that had been an undercurrent before that I was oblivious to it just never noticed it didn't want to notice it. I don't know. But that was, you know, that was quite a striking moment. So, you know, so, so as far as other people, I don't know. I mean, there's a part of me that looks back and thinks, you know what, like my sister, she was the only girl she was the baby, but there's part of me that feels like there was a little bit like kind of this golden child thing, where there were some friends of the family that were just always about my sister, always. Um, and, and I felt like I was kind of off to the side. Like just didn't figure it. And there's part of me. That's like, you know, Hey, I'm over here. I'm the one who's on the honor roll. I'm the one who's on the Dean's list. I'm the one who a four year ride to a major university. I'm the one who is a graduate teaching fellow at another university. You know? I mean like, come on, you know, but it's her, her, her, um, to this day with some of those folks. So, I mean, I've, I've told my mom, like, if I never see those people again, I'm cool with it. I don't feel the need.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=376.2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:16</a>):</p><p>Yeah, no, I, I totally get it. And I wonder, how did that impact your relationship with your parents and with your sister?</p><p>Mitch (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=385.96" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:25</a>):</p><p>Um, negatively, because of course they haven't had negative experiences with these people. So in a way, my perspective is completely foreign to that. So, so they don't, I mean, they don't see it. They don't seem to notice it, but, you know, having pretty much kind of felt like the odd man out for a very long time. Like I said, I just got to the point where I just felt like I don't need these people in my life. And just as things go, our paths don't cross and I am totally cool with that.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=420.59" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:00</a>):</p><p>You're you're referring to the friends of the family. Yes. Yeah. How are, how about with your adopted sibling? Did you did that person</p><p>Mitch (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=432.88" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:12</a>):</p><p>Well my brother died 32 years ago. So yeah, he's been, he's been gone a long time. With my sister, we are strained at best right now, just because I don't know a bunch of things.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=444.7" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:24</a>):</p><p>Just kind of how families go.</p><p>Mitch (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=446.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:26</a>):</p><p>Yeah. I mean, that's part of it. She, she doesn't get it at all</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=451.39" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:31</a>):</p><p>as with so many adoptees, a trip to a physician's office can be painful when you're forced to admit that you don't know your family's medical history. In other cases, the birth of a child can be a milestone reminder of an adoptees undocumented link to their familial history. Mitch remembers an incident that combined both scenarios in a moment that re-energized his desire to search for his first family.</p><p>Mitch (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=474.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:54</a>):</p><p>My oldest is now 10 and when my wife was pregnant with her, the first time we sat down with the nurse at the OBS office and they're taking the family histories and everything, they took my wife's first. And then they turned to me and um, said, okay, dad. And I started saying, well, I'm adopted. So I, and before I could even finish things out to their nurse, just drew a line through the entire page from the lower left corner to the upper. Right. And flipped it over and went back to my wife. Damn. You know, and it was striking. Yeah. It was like, wow, delete it.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=508.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:28</a>):</p><p>The nurse didn't even give you that moment to say, um, but here's what I do know.</p><p>Mitch (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=512.47" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:32</a>):</p><p>No, I didn't finish the sentence. I couldn't even finish the sentence. She heard adopted, she scratched out the page and turned on to the next page.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=520.49" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:40</a>):</p><p>Hmm Hmm. Hmm.</p><p>Mitch (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=522.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:42</a>):</p><p>Um, and so, yeah, it was, I was just sitting there, like, I don't matter, you know, we're talking about the life of my child and then the stroke of a pen cut out.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=537.6" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:57</a>):</p><p>Your contribution to that child's life was just crossed off the page. Yes, damn Mitch attempted to get some information about his biological family in the 1990s, but he had no luck that then he was motivated by the actions of his parents to manage their own health based on their knowledge of their heredity. His mother's family had many instances of cancer and his father's family was able to take evasive action. Knowing what they were genetically at risk for all Mitch knew was he was an asthmatic with allergies. He didn't want to be caught off guard by a known and avoidable health problem. He had written a letter to the court to try to open his case,</p><p>Mitch (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=577.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:37</a>):</p><p>but the court basically wrote back. I don't remember the exact wording, but the letter was sending that reading. And it was basically, you're not dying. So we're not opening your file. I mean, it basically stated that unless I were dying and had no other recourse, then they would consider it. It didn't even say they would open it. Then it said they would consider it.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=599.85" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:59</a>):</p><p>Hmm. Come back when you're dying,</p><p>Mitch (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=601.87" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:01</a>):</p><p>basically. Yeah. Basically that let us know if you're dying and then we will sit down and talk about whether we will consider the possibility of reviewing it. So it, it made me want to start looking again. And in that timeframe, you know, I said to my mom, you know, I I'm going to start looking, I wasn't asking her permission. It was basically, you need to know, you know, and I I'd like to know if you have any information. So my mom, as it happened, had the name of my birth mother, her, it was not redacted from my adoption decree. And she said, here you are. And I started looking and I thought, this is, this can't be, there was one woman in the United States with that name.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=643.34" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:43</a>):</p><p>Wow, that is unbelievable.</p><p>Mitch (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=646.89" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:46</a>):</p><p>Yeah. It took me. Yeah. It took me still two and a half to just over two years before I found her because her first name is Judith. And one day it dawned at me, I'm sitting at work and it just dawned on me. All of a sudden I had Googled so many times trying to find something I never did. And it suddenly dawns on me. I never tried Googling Judy. And when I did that, I found that some random person found somewhere, I guess, online the obituary for my biological grandfather and entered in on ancestry.com. And it came up publicly and it said, and survived by three children, two sons and a daughter. And the daughter, there she is. There's her name in South Carolina. And I thought, okay, well, hold on. Because I was born in Chicago, she's in South Carolina. And the last name I had, I didn't know if that was a maiden name, a married name, a made up name. Right? So it was like, how do I put her in Chicago? And when I found that obituary, it said, here's this guy who was from Chicago,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LIphgoyaHcbSN03BMZFuOIgijbi2RAsIcBtPAirJnSIfm1inQmZ69jRYf_bcYNIoK26I9R9apIk9ntkyDjWeunn8Htc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=711.69" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:51</a>):</p><p>Mitch had been searching the, for this woman's name for years and only ever found one person seeing that name on what he assumed was his grandfather's obituary led him to believe he had found her right then and there, he sent a letter. He dove right in avoiding the butterflies of procrastination, skipping the process of seeking guidance from others on what to say. He knew he had to do it right away, or it would never be done. He wrote in the letter that he had reason to believe she was his biological mother and documented his proof. He didn't even include the adoption decree with her name on it because he was in the moment drafting the letter while he was at work</p><p>Mitch (<a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/039-im-an-adult-but-theyre-acting-like-children]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1822</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 21 Dec 2019 07:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/523adbc3-15a5-4c73-a8b7-5e5f74bdb458/039-mitch-williams-final.mp3" length="41891472" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>43:38</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>39</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>39</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Mitch’s parents adopted his older brother, then him. Then they got a surprise addition to the family. They had a great life outside of Chicago, but Mitch did feel somewhat sidelined by the attention paid to his youngest sibling. He learned as a teen that not everyone in his family was supportive of adoptions, and…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>027 – I Got A Picture Of My Mother’s Sadness Though Other People</title><itunes:title>027 – I Got A Picture Of My Mother’s Sadness Though Other People</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>As a kid, Rebecca was considered quirky. Unbeknownst to her, that quirkiness was an after effect of fetal&nbsp;alcohol syndrome. She tells the story of learning her birth mother’s lonely and troubled past, and the closure she finally got after she learned of her mother’s death.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/027-got-picture-mothers-sadness-though-people/" target="_blank">027 – I Got A Picture Of My Mother’s Sadness Though Other People</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=3.03" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:03</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I went to bed that night and I woke up and I went back to the picture and I'm like, Oh my God. I was like, that's exactly how I looked in high school.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=16.71" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:16</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=28.13" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:28</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show you'll hear the story of Rebecca. She's one of my people from Columbia, Maryland. She went to a rival high school Centennial, but that's okay. Everyone knows Wilde Lake is the best. Rebecca's parents told her very early that she was adopted and she loved it. As a kid, Rebecca was considered quirky. Unbeknownst to her, that quirkiness was an aftereffect of the alcoholism that plagued her mother's life. She tells her story of learning her birth mother's lonely and troubled past and the closure she finally got after she learned of her mother's death and her quest to find answers about her paternal side of the family. Rebecca was adopted as an infant and she lauds her adoption as a positive experience with her family. But she had challenges with her brother, her parents' biological son. And he admitted his feelings about Rebecca the night before her big day.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=94.65" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:34</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I was adopted at one month old, so my parents told me, I think when I was five or six, like as young as I could understand and um, they didn't hide it from me and it was.. I mean I always felt like I belonged to them. I never felt different. Like I, I had written that I was quirky, but that turned out to be something totally different. So, um, it was cool. Like I loved it cause I loved the attention. Like my mom would tell the, you know, how they adopted me to her friends when they would go out and I just, it was awesome. And like nobody ever, from what I remember, nobody ever looked at my parents like, Oh poor you, you know, you had to go the adoption route. It was a very positive experience. My brother was biological and he was four years older than me.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=146.161" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:26</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">He was biological to them?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=148.83" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:28</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah, yup. So him and I constantly butted heads. I don't know. I think part of that's because my parents, after they had him, they had a daughter and she passed away at a week old due to being a preemie. So, um, that's why they looked into adoption after that. So I think my brother felt a little like I replaced her, which I get. I get it.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=175.22" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:55</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=175.7" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:55</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I had asked him at one point, the night before my wedding actually, I had asked him if he ever resented me and he said there were times when he did. So I got it. I mean it's, you know, it had to be, he was four it had to be hard.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=190.17" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:10</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah, absolutely. Especially as a four year old part of the whole process for you to get used to another child coming in. There's a nine month runway where you're watching your mother's belly grow. She's talking to you about what a great big brother you're going to be. And then, you know, kids can be challenged to really figure out what death means and understand it is even with grandparents who you kind of are, are taught are going to leave this world one day, but for your newborn sister to come and immediately go and it would be replaced by another child. That sounds so hard.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=229.53" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:49</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I know, I know. And he didn't really get it. He, um, and he wouldn't go to her grave. He, um, I don't, it's, it was hard and I feel bad. I do. I feel really bad. There was a horrible thing for everyone to go through.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=241.99" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:01</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">If you don't mind. Out of curiosity, did you get a little bit of closure for him to admit his resentment the night before your wedding?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=249.98" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:09</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Oh yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. It made me understand that he's, pardon my french, wasn't, he wasn't intentionally a ***. It made me realize that him and I had more sibling rivalry than other kids. I felt we constantly fought and it made me realize that I think he was just hurt and I wish I could've changed it, but it made me understand him better. Actually.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=275.11" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:35</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca's adoption automatically put her in an interesting family dynamic with her brother's grief over his lost sister. So I asked her how her parents made her feel comfortable in that same space. They had also lost a daughter, but Rebecca was their daughter too, and they made sure she knew she was theirs and that adoption was okay.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=293.81" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:53</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">But they, yeah, they never made me feel like adoption was the second choice. Like I know it kind of was like, you know, they had a baby, she passed away. You can't have kids, turn to adoption. But they never threw that in my face. They always said, you know, they're happy they adopted me. I was meant for their family and they always made me feel wanted. So I never felt]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a kid, Rebecca was considered quirky. Unbeknownst to her, that quirkiness was an after effect of fetal&nbsp;alcohol syndrome. She tells the story of learning her birth mother’s lonely and troubled past, and the closure she finally got after she learned of her mother’s death.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/027-got-picture-mothers-sadness-though-people/" target="_blank">027 – I Got A Picture Of My Mother’s Sadness Though Other People</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=3.03" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:03</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I went to bed that night and I woke up and I went back to the picture and I'm like, Oh my God. I was like, that's exactly how I looked in high school.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=16.71" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:16</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=28.13" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:28</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show you'll hear the story of Rebecca. She's one of my people from Columbia, Maryland. She went to a rival high school Centennial, but that's okay. Everyone knows Wilde Lake is the best. Rebecca's parents told her very early that she was adopted and she loved it. As a kid, Rebecca was considered quirky. Unbeknownst to her, that quirkiness was an aftereffect of the alcoholism that plagued her mother's life. She tells her story of learning her birth mother's lonely and troubled past and the closure she finally got after she learned of her mother's death and her quest to find answers about her paternal side of the family. Rebecca was adopted as an infant and she lauds her adoption as a positive experience with her family. But she had challenges with her brother, her parents' biological son. And he admitted his feelings about Rebecca the night before her big day.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=94.65" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:34</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I was adopted at one month old, so my parents told me, I think when I was five or six, like as young as I could understand and um, they didn't hide it from me and it was.. I mean I always felt like I belonged to them. I never felt different. Like I, I had written that I was quirky, but that turned out to be something totally different. So, um, it was cool. Like I loved it cause I loved the attention. Like my mom would tell the, you know, how they adopted me to her friends when they would go out and I just, it was awesome. And like nobody ever, from what I remember, nobody ever looked at my parents like, Oh poor you, you know, you had to go the adoption route. It was a very positive experience. My brother was biological and he was four years older than me.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=146.161" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:26</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">He was biological to them?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=148.83" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:28</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah, yup. So him and I constantly butted heads. I don't know. I think part of that's because my parents, after they had him, they had a daughter and she passed away at a week old due to being a preemie. So, um, that's why they looked into adoption after that. So I think my brother felt a little like I replaced her, which I get. I get it.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=175.22" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:55</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=175.7" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:55</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I had asked him at one point, the night before my wedding actually, I had asked him if he ever resented me and he said there were times when he did. So I got it. I mean it's, you know, it had to be, he was four it had to be hard.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=190.17" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:10</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah, absolutely. Especially as a four year old part of the whole process for you to get used to another child coming in. There's a nine month runway where you're watching your mother's belly grow. She's talking to you about what a great big brother you're going to be. And then, you know, kids can be challenged to really figure out what death means and understand it is even with grandparents who you kind of are, are taught are going to leave this world one day, but for your newborn sister to come and immediately go and it would be replaced by another child. That sounds so hard.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=229.53" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:49</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I know, I know. And he didn't really get it. He, um, and he wouldn't go to her grave. He, um, I don't, it's, it was hard and I feel bad. I do. I feel really bad. There was a horrible thing for everyone to go through.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=241.99" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:01</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">If you don't mind. Out of curiosity, did you get a little bit of closure for him to admit his resentment the night before your wedding?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=249.98" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:09</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Oh yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. It made me understand that he's, pardon my french, wasn't, he wasn't intentionally a ***. It made me realize that him and I had more sibling rivalry than other kids. I felt we constantly fought and it made me realize that I think he was just hurt and I wish I could've changed it, but it made me understand him better. Actually.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=275.11" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:35</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca's adoption automatically put her in an interesting family dynamic with her brother's grief over his lost sister. So I asked her how her parents made her feel comfortable in that same space. They had also lost a daughter, but Rebecca was their daughter too, and they made sure she knew she was theirs and that adoption was okay.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=293.81" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:53</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">But they, yeah, they never made me feel like adoption was the second choice. Like I know it kind of was like, you know, they had a baby, she passed away. You can't have kids, turn to adoption. But they never threw that in my face. They always said, you know, they're happy they adopted me. I was meant for their family and they always made me feel wanted. So I never felt second.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=317.23" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:17</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">That's amazing that they were able to do that given the adversity that they had come from. But then in unimagined to a huge degree, it's absolutely true. They so badly wanted a daughter that they came after you. That's really fantastic.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=329.36" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:29</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yes. Yeah. I mean, they hurt a lot. They just didn't show it. Or if they did, I was oblivious to it because I was young.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=338.23" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:38</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Conversely, I would imagine too, I mean you go through a period of mourning, but similarly you still like you had built up this love that you are ready to give to a child and then they adopted you and they are able to actually pour it on someone as opposed to like not any place to pour it or or um, you know, maybe overcompensating with your brother or what have you. They think you provided, I would imagine some kind of an outlet for the morning and the love and everything that coincides, right?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=371.2" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:11</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah. Yup.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=372.78" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:12</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca went to college and it was there in her junior year that her search began. She had taken with her, the non identifying information her parents gave her when she was eight years old, she used a primitive online search engines of those days to casually look for her mother's name. At the same time she used writing as an outlet for her feelings about adoption. Those early internet searches didn't yield any results, but when she started her own family, the trigger flipped and Rebecca was ready to search more fervently, but it wasn't her first son that motivated her.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=403.87" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:43</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And then I graduated and then the, I would say the switch was when I had, after I had my, um, my sec, my second son. Um, yeah, it was weird. It's weird because I had my first son and that was really hard looking back because, um, due to that, I mean part of it's the fetal alcohol. I had my son, I didn't know, I mean any first time mom is scared and doesn't know what to do and, but it was so overwhelming for me. I had to do everything I could just to focus on him and what I had to do.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=436.77" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:16</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">When you say it was hard for you to focus would, what do you mean?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=439.78" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:19</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">It was hard for me. Like I couldn't, I became consumed with taking care of my son because my brain, it's hard to take care of a kid. I mean, I didn't really have the motherly instincts, I guess like it.. With my brain, everything was overwhelming. Like when just everything. Like when the baby cries, when does he need a diaper change? Does he need this? Does he need that? And my brain goes so fast and it was just, it consumed me.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=469.69" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:49</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is because you had fetal alcohol syndrome?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=474.43" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:54</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yes.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">New Speaker (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=474.43" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:54</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Okay.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=475.62" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:55</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So because it was so consumed with him, I didn't even think of searching. Like he was born and he was really big and I'm really tiny. So yes. I was like, Oh my God. He got his height from my birth family because I knew they were tall. But beyond that I just focused on him. But then by the time my second kid came around, I was like, you know, I pretty much had it down. So he came out and I'm like, Hmm. He was big too. Not as big. And I'm like, I just, that was the switch. I'm like, I want to find her. I want all these pieces answered. My first son was huge. This kid's big. I want to know who they look like. So that's when I decided I was going to search until I found her. Um, and then it kind of, then I became consumed with the search because that's what happens.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=528.59" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:48</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So you go from hyper focus on one thing to hyper focus on another.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=536.52" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:56</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah. Yep.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=537.36" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:57</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Fascinating.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=537.36" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:57</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And that's my brain. That's the brain damage. It's crazy. It's, I didn't understand why for so many years because I would become obsessed with things and some people do and it's not because their mom drank. Some people just have that ingrained in them. Some people are just like that. But with me, that's why it's crazy. And I became hyper-focused and um, I found her, I found way more than I bargained for.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/60Om6hfRU-PbCnhCogsqti4gALRy5FI1j1qFL8Gw9-Qcgeh0KJGGCl4fPFbK2ktFGpCkelob3nBwt9t5SDlqtB5KOsM?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=561.66" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:21</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So you mentioned earlier you said something along the lines of people thought I was quirky and I found out later it was something else. Are you basically saying that the quirkiness that was, you know, a trait of your personality when you were younger was actually the signs of fetal alcohol?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/027-i-got-a-picture-of-my-mothers-sadness-though-other-people]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1706</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 14 Dec 2019 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/3b732063-e0ea-4957-aada-18bec8c3ee30/027-rebecca-t-final.mp3" length="37332667" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>38:53</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>27</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>27</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>As a kid, Rebecca was considered quirky. Unbeknownst to her, that quirkiness was an after effect of fetal alcohol syndrome. She tells the story of learning her birth mother’s lonely and troubled past, and the closure she finally got after she learned of her mother’s death.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>002 – When the Law is in the Way, Try DNA</title><itunes:title>002 – When the Law is in the Way, Try DNA</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Laura became a dear friend when we quickly bonded over being adoptees while working together. Laura had been searching for her family of origin for years, before the age of the&nbsp;internet, and the promise of consumer DNA testing linking long lost relatives. In this episode Laura reveals her childhood challenges to bond&nbsp;with her adopted family who were open about her adopted status in unhealthy ways. Their mental health issues and the emotional childhood that Laura lived, drove her desire to find her family origin, as the wondered about her biological mother every day.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/002-laura-r/" target="_blank">002 Laura R – When the Law is in the Way, Try DNA</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Laura:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=0.29" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:00</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;From the beginning of doing that DNA test I specifically have looked at it as whatever comes of this and whether people are welcoming or they, they don't want to know me. I just have to accept it like, and I think as a message to other adoptees on that journey, you really need to get to that place. If you don't get to that place, you're going to be in potentially for a lot of pain.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=26.45" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:26</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=37.88" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:37</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I really? Welcome to Who am I really? A show about adoptees who have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show we have my former colleague Laura, Laura told me the story of how she had a challenging childhood in adoption. Had a struggle to gain identifiable information from her birth records out of New York state and her ultimate connection to her aunt through DNA testing and a happy family reunion.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=80.03" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:20</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So thanks for coming. What, what do you have here?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Laura:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=83.16" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:23</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So that is the information that I received in 1999 it was the combination of a request I'd made to the State, New York State for non-identifying information, which you're allowed to receive without the consent of any party because it's not identifying as no names or addresses or anything attached to it. And I think I made the request like two years before and it came kind of, so it came as a shock when it actually came. I was like, wow, I didn't even remember like making the requests. It been such a long time before and we were living in Pittsburgh and I had just been accepted to law school.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=121.35" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:01</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wow. So this is a generic description of everything about your adoption situation,</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Laura:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=130.39" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:10</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Right. It's like a time capsule. It's what was recorded between August 30th, 1968 when I was born and February 20th of 1969</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=139.5" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:19</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;that's amazing. Wow. So let's start back at the beginning. First of all, you and I worked at HHS together.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Laura:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=147.35" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:27</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yes.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=147.84" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:27</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I remember one of the things that was a bond for us was the fact that we identified ourselves as adoptees.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Laura:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=154.18" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:34</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. And that walk in Providence from a restaurant.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=156.751" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:36</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That's right.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Laura:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=157.321" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:37</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And I don't even know how we got onto that subject.</span></p><p><span...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura became a dear friend when we quickly bonded over being adoptees while working together. Laura had been searching for her family of origin for years, before the age of the&nbsp;internet, and the promise of consumer DNA testing linking long lost relatives. In this episode Laura reveals her childhood challenges to bond&nbsp;with her adopted family who were open about her adopted status in unhealthy ways. Their mental health issues and the emotional childhood that Laura lived, drove her desire to find her family origin, as the wondered about her biological mother every day.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/002-laura-r/" target="_blank">002 Laura R – When the Law is in the Way, Try DNA</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Laura:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=0.29" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:00</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;From the beginning of doing that DNA test I specifically have looked at it as whatever comes of this and whether people are welcoming or they, they don't want to know me. I just have to accept it like, and I think as a message to other adoptees on that journey, you really need to get to that place. If you don't get to that place, you're going to be in potentially for a lot of pain.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=26.45" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:26</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=37.88" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:37</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I really? Welcome to Who am I really? A show about adoptees who have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show we have my former colleague Laura, Laura told me the story of how she had a challenging childhood in adoption. Had a struggle to gain identifiable information from her birth records out of New York state and her ultimate connection to her aunt through DNA testing and a happy family reunion.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=80.03" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:20</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So thanks for coming. What, what do you have here?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Laura:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=83.16" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:23</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So that is the information that I received in 1999 it was the combination of a request I'd made to the State, New York State for non-identifying information, which you're allowed to receive without the consent of any party because it's not identifying as no names or addresses or anything attached to it. And I think I made the request like two years before and it came kind of, so it came as a shock when it actually came. I was like, wow, I didn't even remember like making the requests. It been such a long time before and we were living in Pittsburgh and I had just been accepted to law school.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=121.35" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:01</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wow. So this is a generic description of everything about your adoption situation,</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Laura:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=130.39" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:10</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Right. It's like a time capsule. It's what was recorded between August 30th, 1968 when I was born and February 20th of 1969</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=139.5" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:19</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;that's amazing. Wow. So let's start back at the beginning. First of all, you and I worked at HHS together.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Laura:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=147.35" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:27</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yes.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=147.84" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:27</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I remember one of the things that was a bond for us was the fact that we identified ourselves as adoptees.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Laura:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=154.18" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:34</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. And that walk in Providence from a restaurant.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=156.751" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:36</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That's right.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Laura:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=157.321" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:37</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And I don't even know how we got onto that subject.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=159.84" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:39</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I know. I think I just talk about it so much. Well, it just comes up. So yeah, that was really a revelation.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Laura:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=167.64" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:47</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. And that was before either of us found anybody.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=170.55" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:50</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, that's right. You're right. I had not, I may have initiated my search, which might've been why it came up, because it wasn't too long after I joined HHS that I decided that I was going to reach out. And that's probably how we got to talking about it. So tell me a little bit about your community, where you grew up, what your family was like, your parents.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Laura:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=191.77" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:11</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So I grew up in a little town called Bavel, which isn't so little anymore, but back in the 70s was a very small town. My parents adopted me in February of 1969. My father was a mail carrier. My mother was a stay at home mom. It was a blue collar oasis and a lot of wealth, but it was like this little blue collar enclave. Both of my parents had mental health issues. My childhood, I would say was not a happy one, but I think they loved me as best they could. And I've come to terms with all of that. I think it adds a really important, I think in, in sort of initiating that search to not, and I think it's interesting that it happened when it did, when I've probably been at the most stable and the most happiest of my life. Right. So open to anything good and bad. I think that was a really important part of it.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=243.74" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:03</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So in your childhood, are you saying that part of the trauma of your childhood was there mental illness? Yes. In what ways?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Laura:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=251.86" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:11</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It's very difficult to explain it. Um, people who knew my parents understand it. I'll give you a really good example. I can kind of sum it up. So people will ask me, Oh, did you always know you were adopted? And I answered that question would be yes. I never remember not knowing because my parents made such an issue out of it. So if I did something bad, they would threatened to take me back to Mineola, which is the county seat for Nassau County, which is where the adoption took place. Right. And so they would often do that. My mother would say it all the time. I remember even maybe when I was seven or eight years old, them actually getting me in the car and driving to Mineola from Bavel, which is about a 20 minute drive, at least maybe 30 minutes. Yeah. So it was, it was a lot of chaos and it was not happy.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Laura:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=297.46" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:57</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And so I had a, a very traumatic adolescence probably dealing with a lot. And because I, it was always very front and center that I was adopted. I never really felt part of that family. And because I also knew it from the beginning, I thought about my parents, my biological parents, every day, every day. I mean, and there were times in my life when I very much wanted to find them. There were times that I was worried about finding them and explaining to them what had happened. That really bothered me to be able to say, well, you made this decision didn't work out so well. I mean I do tend to look at the world as all's well that ends well. And so I think in the end there's reasons for everything and why things worked out the way they did. I think I gained a tremendous amount of strength and now knowing who my parents are and where I came from, I think it's better that I was adopted by my parents because I don't know if another child could have dealt with it.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=360.71" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:00</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Interesting. So you feel like you are a person of inner strength that ended up being able to handle this situation and perhaps someone who might not have had the same inner fortitude might not have been able to deal as well. Right. That's fascinating. And the challenge of this continual mental warfare against you because of their own inability to sort of manage their own mental health. Do you know what their diagnoses were?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Speaker 1:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=384.86" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:24</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Um, my father I think had depression. Has a really strong history of depression in the family. Basically the end of the day, the diagnosis I've received was schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and OCD. It had basically been untreated her whole life and my father protected her and wouldn't let you know anyone sort of get in the way. So even though social workers would reach out because there were reports of abuse or she would do erotic things in the community, he would constantly protect her. So she just never got help. So once we moved to Pittsburgh, she actually got help and was on medication, which definitely helped. It definitely helped in working with her and, and so that was a productive time, I think. But at that point I was in my thirties and already had children of my own. So I did take care of my parents as, because I'm an only child and I just, I'm very responsible. And knowing now people have come from that is really evident that that's the sort of,</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/BZSvbPJpWyD2WllJZhjAVI1LlI2tB8TobcLo78q5MF4ZTvQWecn8hS7j7qPT-29KQfM2lOqJRh_RbuGFkvg3zJWcLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=439.9" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:19</u></a><span style="color:...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/002-laura-r-when-the-law-is-in-the-way-try-dna]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1391</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 07 Dec 2019 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/1d1bb791-bd1a-4cdd-80c5-8aa2676da7e9/002-wair-laurar.mp3" length="37713113" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>39:17</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>2</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>2</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Laura became a dear friend when we quickly bonded over being adoptees while working together. Laura had been searching for her family of origin for years, before the age of the internet, and the promise of consumer DNA testing linking long lost relatives. In this episode Laura reveals her childhood challenges to bond with her adopted family…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>096 – The Safe Space That’s Don’s Place</title><itunes:title>096 – The Safe Space That’s Don’s Place</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Singer Song writer Jenni Alpert, commonly referred to by her birth name, Cami had a wonderful life supported by her adoptive parents as she pursued the performing arts. After her adoptive father passed away, she learned that her biological mother had too. Her maternal connections went well over time, but her paternal side remained a mystery. Locating her birth father was one thing… doing reconnaissance, ensuring her safety, and tapping into over a decade of her various volunteer experiences with people who’s lives were in the streets was something different.&nbsp;In their story you’ll hear the dedication of a daughter who found her birth father down and out, accepted him as he was , and worked hard to find a pathway for them to reunite and share their love of music. This is Jenni’s journey.</p><p><em>Photo:Cami (aka Jenni Alpert) and her birth father Don </em></p><p><em>Photo credit:&nbsp;Jeff Fasano&nbsp;</em></p><p>Here’s a link to the news story I referenced: https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/father-and-daughter-duo-reunited-in-song-62059077604</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/097-the-safe-space-thats-dons-place/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">096 – The Safe Space That’s Don’s Place</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ol_0fSvS6gCmtDqQg9YHljJdGvF8fU5Gn-5W0Aejyk28Zl42sh7X2ZNQtLm9QhLdbUGSSKOlWhaYNAH4K8_IVf1i93s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=10.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:10</a>):</p><p>[inaudible]</p><p>Cami (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ol_0fSvS6gCmtDqQg9YHljJdGvF8fU5Gn-5W0Aejyk28Zl42sh7X2ZNQtLm9QhLdbUGSSKOlWhaYNAH4K8_IVf1i93s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=10.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:10</a>):</p><p>[Show you good love in so you know you're mine. one of these days it wouldn't be long. all of the shadow you will be gone. Want you to see deep in my heart. Show you the truth from the start? one of these days it wouldn't be long. (song) ]</p><p>Cami-Jenni (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ol_0fSvS6gCmtDqQg9YHljJdGvF8fU5Gn-5W0Aejyk28Zl42sh7X2ZNQtLm9QhLdbUGSSKOlWhaYNAH4K8_IVf1i93s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=68.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:08</a>):</p><p>Okay. For all of the times that I worked with those that were in the prison system, it was like everything I had ever done, everything I had ever saw. All of a sudden now it made sense to me. Now I was staring at my birth father who had encompassed all these little details in his own very life, but he was a person and he was a musician and it was just really thrilling.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ol_0fSvS6gCmtDqQg9YHljJdGvF8fU5Gn-5W0Aejyk28Zl42sh7X2ZNQtLm9QhLdbUGSSKOlWhaYNAH4K8_IVf1i93s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=113.38" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:53</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ol_0fSvS6gCmtDqQg9YHljJdGvF8fU5Gn-5W0Aejyk28Zl42sh7X2ZNQtLm9QhLdbUGSSKOlWhaYNAH4K8_IVf1i93s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=120.59" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:00</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is singer songwriter Jenni Alpert, commonly referred to by her birth name Cami. The song you just heard is called one of these days. Jenni had a wonderful life supported by her adoptive parents as she pursued the performing arts after her adoptive father passed away. She learned that her biological mother had to locating her birth father was one thing. Ensuring her safety and tapping into over a decade of her various volunteer experiences was something different. You will hear the dedication of a daughter who found her birth father down and out, accepted him as he was, and worked hard to find a pathway for them to reunite and share their love of music. This is Jenni's journey. I was at home one night when my wife Michele called me to the television to hear an incredible news story of a woman who found her biological father and he was homeless. I was so intrigued. I immediately found Jenni online and invited her to be my guest and she agreed. Jenni's life started out in foster care and she moved to many different homes and had several different names. Listen here as she describes her beginnings, the protective re-identification she went through and how she's arrived at her identity today.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ol_0fSvS6gCmtDqQg9YHljJdGvF8fU5Gn-5W0Aejyk28Zl42sh7X2ZNQtLm9QhLdbUGSSKOlWhaYNAH4K8_IVf1i93s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=213.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:33</a>):</p><p>I was in the foster care system at the time I was born. I was placed there and I was in several different homes until I was almost four. And I ultimately, um, was able to land a forever home around age four and was catapulted from inner city Los Angeles named baby girl Morantz first the first foster home then named me Jennifer. Then I was given away to a second foster home without the state knowing. Then I was found a little after a year and a half later placed into a couple of emergency holdings, moved around so they could figure out what to do with me and ultimately at the same time that was happening, my future adoptive parents had wanted to ensure that they would get a girl and so they had placed a request in with the adoption agency to try to adopt girl about a year previous. And finally they got a phone call when I came available and they said, are you still interested? There's a girl that you can pick up tomorrow. So my parents got in the car, they got a doll they got, well actually they got a bunny rabbit cause it was around April around Easter. Even though we aren't observant in any religious context, we happened to be a culturally Jewish family. They still brought a bunny to pick me up. And um, they, they gave me this bunny at which I still have to this day and uh, and I got the name, the last name, Alpert as my final component from baby girl Morantz to Jennifer to then I shortened it to Jenni a little bit later to Alpert, always knowing that none of those names were my intended name, but a name really is reflective of how people identify themselves and build their relationship to you. So I was always a name for someone else, but as it turns out later on in life though, I knew I had some birth name and I couldn't really remember or no one really told me like what was, I just knew it was something else. Ultimately it turned out with the court papers that I was given later that my name was actually intended to be Cameron. And so later on in life I've shortened it to Cami. So I have like a personal birth name that I go by Cami in certain circles and my music name. Also my adoptive name, Jenni Alpert is more like the online. And my adoptive family circles. So it's kind of neat to have identities connecting to different circles, making a huge community and seeing the value of a name really being important for other people, how they see themselves in relationship. To me,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ol_0fSvS6gCmtDqQg9YHljJdGvF8fU5Gn-5W0Aejyk28Zl42sh7X2ZNQtLm9QhLdbUGSSKOlWhaYNAH4K8_IVf1i93s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=405.6" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:45</a>):</p><p>that is absolutely fascinating. Wow. And you know what's interesting to me as you were talking, I couldn't help but focus in on the part where you said that you were renamed in the foster homes. I didn't know that the foster homes one had any sort of legal ability to do that, but two, I've, I don't think I've ever heard anybody say that before. Have you heard that before with other people?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ol_0fSvS6gCmtDqQg9YHljJdGvF8fU5Gn-5W0Aejyk28Zl42sh7X2ZNQtLm9QhLdbUGSSKOlWhaYNAH4K8_IVf1i93s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=429" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:09</a>):</p><p>I don't know. But I do know that my story has a couple of twists and turns that would explain why a lot of different things happen that were unique to my story. So the first piece is because my birth mother had really wanted to keep me and had intended to name me Cameron, but my birth grandparents were concerned about my wellbeing related to how I was conceived and the connection to my paternal family members at the time. It was very scary. For a lot of people that they erased my name and my birthday and just kind of made it ambiguous so that they couldn't find me. So pretty much from being born they put me in a safe space and called me baby girl and kind of pushed back the birthday a day cause I was born on the cusp between September 11th and September 12th and I just, I really didn't have a defined identity until the first foster home.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ol_0fSvS6gCmtDqQg9YHljJdGvF8fU5Gn-5W0Aejyk28Zl42sh7X2ZNQtLm9QhLdbUGSSKOlWhaYNAH4K8_IVf1i93s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=499.03" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:19</a>):</p><p>That is fascinating. Wow. When Jenni arrived at her family's home at the age of four years old, life and their family with other children was well underway. Her adopted parents had each been married before. Her father had two biological boys in their early teens and her mother had adopted a boy around their same age. Jenni showed up to a home with three older brothers, but they're all family. Her adoptive mother's mom, her adopted father's dad and her brothers are just her brothers. Later you'll hear Jenni make the distinction between her by referring to her maternal and paternal sides respectively. Jenni said that while she grew up with a lot of only child experiences,...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Singer Song writer Jenni Alpert, commonly referred to by her birth name, Cami had a wonderful life supported by her adoptive parents as she pursued the performing arts. After her adoptive father passed away, she learned that her biological mother had too. Her maternal connections went well over time, but her paternal side remained a mystery. Locating her birth father was one thing… doing reconnaissance, ensuring her safety, and tapping into over a decade of her various volunteer experiences with people who’s lives were in the streets was something different.&nbsp;In their story you’ll hear the dedication of a daughter who found her birth father down and out, accepted him as he was , and worked hard to find a pathway for them to reunite and share their love of music. This is Jenni’s journey.</p><p><em>Photo:Cami (aka Jenni Alpert) and her birth father Don </em></p><p><em>Photo credit:&nbsp;Jeff Fasano&nbsp;</em></p><p>Here’s a link to the news story I referenced: https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/father-and-daughter-duo-reunited-in-song-62059077604</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/097-the-safe-space-thats-dons-place/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">096 – The Safe Space That’s Don’s Place</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ol_0fSvS6gCmtDqQg9YHljJdGvF8fU5Gn-5W0Aejyk28Zl42sh7X2ZNQtLm9QhLdbUGSSKOlWhaYNAH4K8_IVf1i93s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=10.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:10</a>):</p><p>[inaudible]</p><p>Cami (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ol_0fSvS6gCmtDqQg9YHljJdGvF8fU5Gn-5W0Aejyk28Zl42sh7X2ZNQtLm9QhLdbUGSSKOlWhaYNAH4K8_IVf1i93s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=10.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:10</a>):</p><p>[Show you good love in so you know you're mine. one of these days it wouldn't be long. all of the shadow you will be gone. Want you to see deep in my heart. Show you the truth from the start? one of these days it wouldn't be long. (song) ]</p><p>Cami-Jenni (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ol_0fSvS6gCmtDqQg9YHljJdGvF8fU5Gn-5W0Aejyk28Zl42sh7X2ZNQtLm9QhLdbUGSSKOlWhaYNAH4K8_IVf1i93s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=68.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:08</a>):</p><p>Okay. For all of the times that I worked with those that were in the prison system, it was like everything I had ever done, everything I had ever saw. All of a sudden now it made sense to me. Now I was staring at my birth father who had encompassed all these little details in his own very life, but he was a person and he was a musician and it was just really thrilling.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ol_0fSvS6gCmtDqQg9YHljJdGvF8fU5Gn-5W0Aejyk28Zl42sh7X2ZNQtLm9QhLdbUGSSKOlWhaYNAH4K8_IVf1i93s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=113.38" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:53</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ol_0fSvS6gCmtDqQg9YHljJdGvF8fU5Gn-5W0Aejyk28Zl42sh7X2ZNQtLm9QhLdbUGSSKOlWhaYNAH4K8_IVf1i93s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=120.59" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:00</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is singer songwriter Jenni Alpert, commonly referred to by her birth name Cami. The song you just heard is called one of these days. Jenni had a wonderful life supported by her adoptive parents as she pursued the performing arts after her adoptive father passed away. She learned that her biological mother had to locating her birth father was one thing. Ensuring her safety and tapping into over a decade of her various volunteer experiences was something different. You will hear the dedication of a daughter who found her birth father down and out, accepted him as he was, and worked hard to find a pathway for them to reunite and share their love of music. This is Jenni's journey. I was at home one night when my wife Michele called me to the television to hear an incredible news story of a woman who found her biological father and he was homeless. I was so intrigued. I immediately found Jenni online and invited her to be my guest and she agreed. Jenni's life started out in foster care and she moved to many different homes and had several different names. Listen here as she describes her beginnings, the protective re-identification she went through and how she's arrived at her identity today.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ol_0fSvS6gCmtDqQg9YHljJdGvF8fU5Gn-5W0Aejyk28Zl42sh7X2ZNQtLm9QhLdbUGSSKOlWhaYNAH4K8_IVf1i93s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=213.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:33</a>):</p><p>I was in the foster care system at the time I was born. I was placed there and I was in several different homes until I was almost four. And I ultimately, um, was able to land a forever home around age four and was catapulted from inner city Los Angeles named baby girl Morantz first the first foster home then named me Jennifer. Then I was given away to a second foster home without the state knowing. Then I was found a little after a year and a half later placed into a couple of emergency holdings, moved around so they could figure out what to do with me and ultimately at the same time that was happening, my future adoptive parents had wanted to ensure that they would get a girl and so they had placed a request in with the adoption agency to try to adopt girl about a year previous. And finally they got a phone call when I came available and they said, are you still interested? There's a girl that you can pick up tomorrow. So my parents got in the car, they got a doll they got, well actually they got a bunny rabbit cause it was around April around Easter. Even though we aren't observant in any religious context, we happened to be a culturally Jewish family. They still brought a bunny to pick me up. And um, they, they gave me this bunny at which I still have to this day and uh, and I got the name, the last name, Alpert as my final component from baby girl Morantz to Jennifer to then I shortened it to Jenni a little bit later to Alpert, always knowing that none of those names were my intended name, but a name really is reflective of how people identify themselves and build their relationship to you. So I was always a name for someone else, but as it turns out later on in life though, I knew I had some birth name and I couldn't really remember or no one really told me like what was, I just knew it was something else. Ultimately it turned out with the court papers that I was given later that my name was actually intended to be Cameron. And so later on in life I've shortened it to Cami. So I have like a personal birth name that I go by Cami in certain circles and my music name. Also my adoptive name, Jenni Alpert is more like the online. And my adoptive family circles. So it's kind of neat to have identities connecting to different circles, making a huge community and seeing the value of a name really being important for other people, how they see themselves in relationship. To me,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ol_0fSvS6gCmtDqQg9YHljJdGvF8fU5Gn-5W0Aejyk28Zl42sh7X2ZNQtLm9QhLdbUGSSKOlWhaYNAH4K8_IVf1i93s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=405.6" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:45</a>):</p><p>that is absolutely fascinating. Wow. And you know what's interesting to me as you were talking, I couldn't help but focus in on the part where you said that you were renamed in the foster homes. I didn't know that the foster homes one had any sort of legal ability to do that, but two, I've, I don't think I've ever heard anybody say that before. Have you heard that before with other people?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ol_0fSvS6gCmtDqQg9YHljJdGvF8fU5Gn-5W0Aejyk28Zl42sh7X2ZNQtLm9QhLdbUGSSKOlWhaYNAH4K8_IVf1i93s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=429" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:09</a>):</p><p>I don't know. But I do know that my story has a couple of twists and turns that would explain why a lot of different things happen that were unique to my story. So the first piece is because my birth mother had really wanted to keep me and had intended to name me Cameron, but my birth grandparents were concerned about my wellbeing related to how I was conceived and the connection to my paternal family members at the time. It was very scary. For a lot of people that they erased my name and my birthday and just kind of made it ambiguous so that they couldn't find me. So pretty much from being born they put me in a safe space and called me baby girl and kind of pushed back the birthday a day cause I was born on the cusp between September 11th and September 12th and I just, I really didn't have a defined identity until the first foster home.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ol_0fSvS6gCmtDqQg9YHljJdGvF8fU5Gn-5W0Aejyk28Zl42sh7X2ZNQtLm9QhLdbUGSSKOlWhaYNAH4K8_IVf1i93s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=499.03" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:19</a>):</p><p>That is fascinating. Wow. When Jenni arrived at her family's home at the age of four years old, life and their family with other children was well underway. Her adopted parents had each been married before. Her father had two biological boys in their early teens and her mother had adopted a boy around their same age. Jenni showed up to a home with three older brothers, but they're all family. Her adoptive mother's mom, her adopted father's dad and her brothers are just her brothers. Later you'll hear Jenni make the distinction between her by referring to her maternal and paternal sides respectively. Jenni said that while she grew up with a lot of only child experiences, she still had the protective older brothers who picked on her and taught her to defend herself. So you had some older brothers who were looking out for you as you grew up and by the time you're four and you come into someone else's home, you know you're an adoptee whether they talk about it or not. How, how was adoption portrayed in your home?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ol_0fSvS6gCmtDqQg9YHljJdGvF8fU5Gn-5W0Aejyk28Zl42sh7X2ZNQtLm9QhLdbUGSSKOlWhaYNAH4K8_IVf1i93s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=566.8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:26</a>):</p><p>I don't really think there was a definitive portrayal. I was definitely old enough to know that I had already been in four different environments and moved around. I can't really place psychologically at the time if I really knew much detail that because one of the foster homes I had been in stepped forward and tried to get me back when I was first placed with the outbursts. There was actually like a six month court case between that second foster home who never really should have had me in the first place. And the Alpert's having to go through a whole psychology evaluation and court case evaluation in order for them to actually secure adopting me. And that was an interesting piece that I vaguely remember happening and I remember not really knowing yet where I was going to end up, but I don't really remember associating like here or a concern. I think by that time I already had the survival skillset to just acclimate to different environments and just was waiting for the outcome like anyone else.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ol_0fSvS6gCmtDqQg9YHljJdGvF8fU5Gn-5W0Aejyk28Zl42sh7X2ZNQtLm9QhLdbUGSSKOlWhaYNAH4K8_IVf1i93s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=642.32" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:42</a>):</p><p>That's really fascinating. Again, I don't think I've ever heard of a foster home fighting to get a child back that has been placed for adoption. That's really interesting too.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ol_0fSvS6gCmtDqQg9YHljJdGvF8fU5Gn-5W0Aejyk28Zl42sh7X2ZNQtLm9QhLdbUGSSKOlWhaYNAH4K8_IVf1i93s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=652.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:52</a>):</p><p>Yeah, it's a very different story. So my birth parents were never married, but they met because my birth mother had some traumatic struggles in her late teens, which catapulted her onto what I call the mental wellness spectrum. And I would say that she was quite low functioning on the mental wellness spectrum for a long time, and her traumas triggered schizophrenic behavior. And back in those days, it was such a issue for families that she was put in a mental hospital quite young and pretty securely and really couldn't get out. And at that time the one flew over the Cuckoo's nest storyline really paralleled with a lot of experiences that are noted that she had and so she was drugged. There was a lot of things that were inside the mental hospital that she was in and I don't think that it was necessarily the most fruitful place for her to transition out of.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ol_0fSvS6gCmtDqQg9YHljJdGvF8fU5Gn-5W0Aejyk28Zl42sh7X2ZNQtLm9QhLdbUGSSKOlWhaYNAH4K8_IVf1i93s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=721.95" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:01</a>):</p><p>While her mother was institutionalized, she met a man who had institutionalized himself as part of a separation from his wife and family. Since he checked himself in, he was probably able to check himself in an out of the hospital. So when he connected with Jenni's birth mother, he took her under his wing and was able to convince her family that he was trustworthy to supervise her leaving the facility. What the family didn't know was the man wasn't as stable as he portrayed. He had a past drug history and his mental wellness was also fairly low. Her birth mother ended up meeting a lot of new people through this man, including his family.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ol_0fSvS6gCmtDqQg9YHljJdGvF8fU5Gn-5W0Aejyk28Zl42sh7X2ZNQtLm9QhLdbUGSSKOlWhaYNAH4K8_IVf1i93s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=760.18" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:40</a>):</p><p>But my birth mother had really wanted a child and thought it would help her free her from the circumstances that was her life, if she could just have her own family. So over the course of several years in that time frame and in that era where things were a lot more lax, even though legally they aren't and weren't, she engaged in lots of different experiences and a lot of those experiences were with underaged people. And I think part of that was her reverting back to ages where she was more comfortable to be herself. And in the product of that having happened, I was conceived, which I call invented. So I was invented, um, when she was spending time with my birth father who happened to be one of the sons of the man who helped free her from the mental hospital in the first place. So it was a very convoluted, very involved, very dynamic, detailed circumstance. And there was many details that were so concerning to so many people that it was very hush, hush. And that really was before she engaged in the drug activity as extreme as it turned out for her. But my birth father, who was significantly younger than her by maybe 15 years actually had already been in and out of juvenile halls and youth authorities already doing drugs at age 16 already stealing to have money coming from a hoarded, impoverished, very lack thereof environment. But there was intimacy there, there was some sense of connection there and at some point I was invented and there were a lot of circumstances thereafter when they figured out paternally what had happened, who it was, how this even took place. Obviously the courts got involved because my birth mother was already a ward of the state with her mental circumstances and my birth father was already a ward of the state with his impoverish and drug use and crime ridden youth background that that it was already red flag. So once this came to fruition, the police instantly and immediately took me away and put me in emergency foster home and my birth father stepped forward and took the complete wrap for having engaged in any sexual experience with my birth mother so that she wouldn't go to prison for a statutory experiences. And he was already in trouble anyway. And it was nothing to him to get thrown in the hole for a year, you know. But they knew once this was going on, he would never be able to legally have access to me for his own reasons. And in order for Mary Lou to survive, you know, any outcome of her choices, she had to admit that she wasn't mentally well to take care of me or fit to keep me regardless, regardless of if she had the potential to do that, which we would never know that she had to sign away the rights to protect herself for how I came to be. And that's why I was in the foster care system immediately. And also why I was in it for so long.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ol_0fSvS6gCmtDqQg9YHljJdGvF8fU5Gn-5W0Aejyk28Zl42sh7X2ZNQtLm9QhLdbUGSSKOlWhaYNAH4K8_IVf1i93s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=971.27" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">16:11</a>):</p><p>Jenny has sifted through legal documentation that have illuminated a lot of what happened in how her own chapter. One story unfolded. There was the case involving her invention and placement into foster care. She knows that it took three years for her birth, mother's relinquishment to be completed in that time. The first foster home gave her to another family who didn't qualify to be foster parents, wanted to be parents and may have even known her biological family because she's seen pictures of herself in that home. That inappropriate placement was a second court case that Jenni examined to piece her story together.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ol_0fSvS6gCmtDqQg9YHljJdGvF8fU5Gn-5W0Aejyk28Zl42sh7X2ZNQtLm9QhLdbUGSSKOlWhaYNAH4K8_IVf1i93s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1008.87" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">16:48</a>):</p><p>And then after I spent how many ever years it was with the outputs before my adoptive father passed away of cancer, my birth mother died before I had a chance to meet her. And then there was a whole court case relating to her death. And so ultimately all of those court cases have documentation of a lot of the storyline. So from what I heard a little from what I experienced, and then ultimately from what I read, I can piece together pretty well. A lot of what happened and how I kind of came to be.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ol_0fSvS6gCmtDqQg9YHljJdGvF8fU5Gn-5W0Aejyk28Zl42sh7X2ZNQtLm9QhLdbUGSSKOlWhaYNAH4K8_IVf1i93s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1040.41" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">17:20</a>):</p><p>I asked for a little clarity on the relationship between Jenni's birth father and birth mother. She confirmed that her birth grandfather was the man who was checking her birth mother out of the mental facilities. It was a much looser time for love and relationships, so her birth father is the man's son. It seems that in their community, their sharing of partners wasn't uncommon. When Jenni was in high school, her adoptive father came down with cancer. She described it as an immense challenge because her older brothers had moved on to college, so it was just her and her mother at home with her dad. Jenny was also preparing to go to college, trying to make the best of her parents' support, but she;</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/Ol_0fSvS6gCmtDqQg9YHljJdGvF8fU5Gn-5W0Aejyk28Zl42sh7X2ZNQtLm9QhLdbUGSSKOlWhaYNAH4K8_IVf1i93s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1084.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">18:04</a>):</p><p>Always felt a little lost and disconnected with my own sense of self and...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/096-the-safe-space-thats-dons-place]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2522</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/e433b5f9-c3c4-4caf-81dc-4b526266919d/ZWBuFHXXZm9d1dteAl-F31yK.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2019 05:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/92c5bc06-3e60-45bd-bcb2-b8d01f4591ea/096-the-safe-space-thats-dons-place-final.mp3" length="59447974" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>01:01:55</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>5</itunes:season><itunes:episode>96</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>96</podcast:episode><podcast:season>5</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Singer Song writer Jenni Alpert, commonly referred to by her birth name, Cami had a wonderful life supported by her adoptive parents as she pursued the performing arts. After her adoptive father passed away, she learned that her biological mother had too. Her maternal connections went well over time, but her paternal side remained a…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>054 – I Just Want To Sit And Be At Peace</title><itunes:title>054 – I Just Want To Sit And Be At Peace</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>After 52 years in adoption, Mary never had a desire to locate her birth family. Her feeling was they had given her up,&nbsp;so she didn’t really want to share how well she turned out. Still, Mary obtained her non-identifying information in 1999, to satisfy medical history curiosity. On Christmas&nbsp;eve 2017 she emailed her birth mother who replied within hours, and the two were connected. The only thing left was to reach out to her birth father, who didn’t know she was alive.</p><p>The post <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/054-i-just-want-to-sit-and-be-at-peace/\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">054 – I Just Want To Sit And Be At Peace</a> appeared first on <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Mary (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=4.19" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:04</a>):</p><p>I can tell you that the relationship that I'm developing with her is beyond what I ever thought it would be. And it's almost like I just want to sit and be at peace with this before I open up something else.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=28.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:28</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis. And today Mary shares her story. She called me from sunny, South Florida, North Palm beach. Mary says she had one adopted brother growing up and she was interested in the details of his adoption story because her family had nearly no details about her own. At the time we spoke, she had connected with her birth mother and was engaged in a slow methodical process of introducing herself to the woman. Simultaneously her birth mother was encouraging Mary to reach out to her birth father because she heard he was ill. Mary talks about her disenchantment with her adopted and birth names and her hopeful excitement about getting to know her half siblings. One day, this is Mary's journey.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=93.92" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:33</a>):</p><p>Mary was born in Cleveland, Ohio adopted into an idyllic childhood days after her birth. She and her brother also adopted were the children of slightly older parents who got married late. Their mother was a social worker who mostly focused on the needs of unwed mothers. Their father was a NASA engineer and they had a great life as children.</p><p>Mary (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=115.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:55</a>):</p><p>My parents gave my brother and me the best life that I could've ever expected.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=120.68" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:00</a>):</p><p>Really. In what ways?</p><p>Mary (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=122.69" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:02</a>):</p><p>I mean, we did all the things, sports and, um, and dance and both my brother and I play instruments. And I just feel like my parents were so committed to sharing their lives, but also, you know, making, making sure that we were, um, well cared for and loved. And my mom had, um, as a social worker, she had a ton of women, friends that were also in social work and, um, they would have these parties and all of those people, although they were so much older than my brother and me, they always invited us to their parties.</p><p>Mary (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=162.47" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:42</a>):</p><p>And you know, it was, it was so nice because I really felt like my parents' friends really cared about us just as much as my parents did.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=173.15" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:53</a>):</p><p>That's awesome. Wow.</p><p>Mary (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=174.56" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:54</a>):</p><p>Yeah. Yes. My childhood was great. I have no problems with my childhood.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=180.58" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:00</a>):</p><p>That's good. Did you and your brother ever talk about your adoptions at all?</p><p>Mary (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=186.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:06</a>):</p><p>My brother and I don't have a very good relationship and growing up, it just, he, he and I never really clicked when I look at my friends and their brothers and sisters. I always longed for that kind of relationship because I didn't have it with my brother. So I would say that I never talked about being adopted with my brother,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=210.66" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:30</a>):</p><p>Recognizing her parents had more details about her brother's story than her own adoption. Mary talked to her mother occasionally about his journey, perhaps hearing details about his adoption served as a surrogate to satisfy her curiosity about her own story. He was the fourth child born to a married couple who knew they couldn't provide for him. So he was placed in adoption. All she knew was that her birth mother didn't even live in Cleveland in 1999, Mary obtained her non identifying information, but only in an attempt to learn some medical history. What she got was much more valuable still. She sat on the information she received. So in total, for nearly 50 years of her life, she had no interest in finding her birth parents. And she didn't look for relatives. Naturally. I asked why she never wanted to search and, and what motivated her change of heart?</p><p>Mary (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=264.81" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:24</a>):</p><p>I think that very few people knew I was adopted. Um, and the people that I did tell sooner or later, they would get to the point where they would say, well, why aren't you looking for your parents? If it were me, I would be looking for my birth parents. And I would always say, you have no idea. I mean, you know, they did it out of love and they did it out of their own curiosity. But for me, I just never wanted to find my birth parents. I think I've thought about that a lot. And I think the answer is because I, I never really want, they, they gave me up and I never really wanted them to know how great I turned out, which seems backwards, but I don't know. I don't know. I just, I didn't want them, I wanted them to be okay with giving me up for adoption, but I didn't want to actually show them what I turned out to be it's.</p><p>Mary (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=324.66" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:24</a>):</p><p>Yeah. So I think as I've gotten older and more people have come into my circle, um, and they keep saying, well, why don't you, you know, try and locate these people. I think the impetus for it was that in 1999, I had gotten my non-identifying paperwork from the adoption agency. And in that paperwork, they described in quite detail, um, who my parents were, personality wise, um, what interests they had. And it revealed a lot of my story, of course not names or anything like that. And so I sat with that information, I mean, 1999 to now, and I didn't, I didn't do anything more with it, but in that non identifying information, it indicated that my grandparents on both sides were German. And I had always been told I was Irish. So yeah. So when DNA came about, I, you know, took a few years or whatever. And I finally said, well, maybe I'd like to determine what my origins, my ethnicity is.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=396.97" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:36</a>):</p><p>I'd love for you to go back for a minute and just talk about a little bit of what you saw in your non-identifying information. What did you learn? Because if you held it for so long, it seems like it's satiated something within you for a while.</p><p>Mary (<a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After 52 years in adoption, Mary never had a desire to locate her birth family. Her feeling was they had given her up,&nbsp;so she didn’t really want to share how well she turned out. Still, Mary obtained her non-identifying information in 1999, to satisfy medical history curiosity. On Christmas&nbsp;eve 2017 she emailed her birth mother who replied within hours, and the two were connected. The only thing left was to reach out to her birth father, who didn’t know she was alive.</p><p>The post <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/054-i-just-want-to-sit-and-be-at-peace/\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">054 – I Just Want To Sit And Be At Peace</a> appeared first on <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Mary (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=4.19" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:04</a>):</p><p>I can tell you that the relationship that I'm developing with her is beyond what I ever thought it would be. And it's almost like I just want to sit and be at peace with this before I open up something else.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=28.1" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:28</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis. And today Mary shares her story. She called me from sunny, South Florida, North Palm beach. Mary says she had one adopted brother growing up and she was interested in the details of his adoption story because her family had nearly no details about her own. At the time we spoke, she had connected with her birth mother and was engaged in a slow methodical process of introducing herself to the woman. Simultaneously her birth mother was encouraging Mary to reach out to her birth father because she heard he was ill. Mary talks about her disenchantment with her adopted and birth names and her hopeful excitement about getting to know her half siblings. One day, this is Mary's journey.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=93.92" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:33</a>):</p><p>Mary was born in Cleveland, Ohio adopted into an idyllic childhood days after her birth. She and her brother also adopted were the children of slightly older parents who got married late. Their mother was a social worker who mostly focused on the needs of unwed mothers. Their father was a NASA engineer and they had a great life as children.</p><p>Mary (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=115.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:55</a>):</p><p>My parents gave my brother and me the best life that I could've ever expected.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=120.68" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:00</a>):</p><p>Really. In what ways?</p><p>Mary (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=122.69" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:02</a>):</p><p>I mean, we did all the things, sports and, um, and dance and both my brother and I play instruments. And I just feel like my parents were so committed to sharing their lives, but also, you know, making, making sure that we were, um, well cared for and loved. And my mom had, um, as a social worker, she had a ton of women, friends that were also in social work and, um, they would have these parties and all of those people, although they were so much older than my brother and me, they always invited us to their parties.</p><p>Mary (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=162.47" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:42</a>):</p><p>And you know, it was, it was so nice because I really felt like my parents' friends really cared about us just as much as my parents did.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=173.15" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:53</a>):</p><p>That's awesome. Wow.</p><p>Mary (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=174.56" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:54</a>):</p><p>Yeah. Yes. My childhood was great. I have no problems with my childhood.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=180.58" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:00</a>):</p><p>That's good. Did you and your brother ever talk about your adoptions at all?</p><p>Mary (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=186.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:06</a>):</p><p>My brother and I don't have a very good relationship and growing up, it just, he, he and I never really clicked when I look at my friends and their brothers and sisters. I always longed for that kind of relationship because I didn't have it with my brother. So I would say that I never talked about being adopted with my brother,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=210.66" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:30</a>):</p><p>Recognizing her parents had more details about her brother's story than her own adoption. Mary talked to her mother occasionally about his journey, perhaps hearing details about his adoption served as a surrogate to satisfy her curiosity about her own story. He was the fourth child born to a married couple who knew they couldn't provide for him. So he was placed in adoption. All she knew was that her birth mother didn't even live in Cleveland in 1999, Mary obtained her non identifying information, but only in an attempt to learn some medical history. What she got was much more valuable still. She sat on the information she received. So in total, for nearly 50 years of her life, she had no interest in finding her birth parents. And she didn't look for relatives. Naturally. I asked why she never wanted to search and, and what motivated her change of heart?</p><p>Mary (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=264.81" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:24</a>):</p><p>I think that very few people knew I was adopted. Um, and the people that I did tell sooner or later, they would get to the point where they would say, well, why aren't you looking for your parents? If it were me, I would be looking for my birth parents. And I would always say, you have no idea. I mean, you know, they did it out of love and they did it out of their own curiosity. But for me, I just never wanted to find my birth parents. I think I've thought about that a lot. And I think the answer is because I, I never really want, they, they gave me up and I never really wanted them to know how great I turned out, which seems backwards, but I don't know. I don't know. I just, I didn't want them, I wanted them to be okay with giving me up for adoption, but I didn't want to actually show them what I turned out to be it's.</p><p>Mary (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=324.66" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:24</a>):</p><p>Yeah. So I think as I've gotten older and more people have come into my circle, um, and they keep saying, well, why don't you, you know, try and locate these people. I think the impetus for it was that in 1999, I had gotten my non-identifying paperwork from the adoption agency. And in that paperwork, they described in quite detail, um, who my parents were, personality wise, um, what interests they had. And it revealed a lot of my story, of course not names or anything like that. And so I sat with that information, I mean, 1999 to now, and I didn't, I didn't do anything more with it, but in that non identifying information, it indicated that my grandparents on both sides were German. And I had always been told I was Irish. So yeah. So when DNA came about, I, you know, took a few years or whatever. And I finally said, well, maybe I'd like to determine what my origins, my ethnicity is.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=396.97" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:36</a>):</p><p>I'd love for you to go back for a minute and just talk about a little bit of what you saw in your non-identifying information. What did you learn? Because if you held it for so long, it seems like it's satiated something within you for a while.</p><p>Mary (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=410.68" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:50</a>):</p><p>Yeah. So when I got my non identifying information, it was because I thought that maybe there would be some medical history in that. And there was a little just about, you know, whether or not my grandparents were still alive. If they had died of a heart attack or some sort of cancer. What I, what I found in that information was a description of myself. Um, because my mother was described to a T what I am really, uh, well, her hair color and her eye color are the same. Um, her height and weight would have been the same at the same age. She, she gave birth to me when she was 20, she was described as like gregarious. And I think that those are what people might describe me as. So when I read that, it just, it comforted me. Um, it didn't make me curious.</p><p>Mary (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=473.89" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:53</a>):</p><p>It just was like, Oh, of course I would look like my mother or my personality would be like my mother. But what was more interesting to me was the description of my father. They described that my father was into horses. It described his father as being a horseman. And for whatever reason, that really clicked with me. And at the time when I got that paperwork, I was more interested in finding him than her. I mean, I didn't, I didn't take any action to do that. But when I read through that paperwork, it was reassuring that I looked like my mother, but the curiosity about who my dad was, was more interesting.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=521.38" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:41</a>):</p><p>Yeah, that's fascinating.</p><p>Mary (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=523.63" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:43</a>):</p><p>I haven't found, I haven't actually contacted my father yet, which, which I think is also interesting because he was, he was the character in my mind that I was more interested in finding</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=537.14" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:57</a>):</p><p>Four years. Mary imagined her birth father talking about him more than her birth mother, when friends and family asked about her adoption or her birth family, she admits, she imagined a Sandy blonde blue eyed cowboy. It wasn't until 2017, nearly 20 years after obtaining her a non identifying information that Mary resorted to ancestry DNA testing her results confirmed that she did have some Irish heritage, but her DNA was mostly German and Eastern European. She dug into the heritage features on Ancestry's platform and it was satisfying to learn those facts since the main reason for her inquiry, understanding her heritage had been satisfied. Mary didn't even think to drill down, to see who she was actually related to in Mary's mind. She had assumed for decades that she would never meet any blood relatives. So it didn't click for her to actually look a few months later in October, 2017, Mary logged in again, just for grins. And she realized she actually had a small group of people that she had a close relation to. She took a few days to message a man on her list, who was either an uncle or a cousin, Mary didn't tell him she was adopted.</p><p>Mary (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=610.64" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:10</a>):</p><p>And he came back with an appropriate question, which was well, who are your parents? And who are your grandparents? And I thought, well, of course that's what people would ask, but I have no idea.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=621.11" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:21</a>):</p><p>Mary decided to look for help from her friends on Facebook, in the DNA detectives group.</p><p>Mary (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=626.21" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:26</a>):</p><p>The same day that I corresponded with this guy is when somebody on that DNA detective page reached out to me and asked me if I needed help. And I said, you know, I asked a bunch of questions and this woman was nice enough to say, well, you're going to have to share your DNA with me. And I wasn't so sure I really wanted to do that. But then I thought, okay, you're on here. You're trying to find out at this point who you might be related to, she can't help you unless you do that. So I kind of took a leap of faith and I shared my DNA with this woman. In the meantime, the person that I was corresponding with that shared a lot of DNA. We had figured out from the fact that I said my birth father is into horses and he's from Milwaukee.</p><p>Mary (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=679.58" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:19</a>):</p><p>That guy said, that's my cousin. Wow. And it turned out that the woman who was helping me on DNA detectives also triangulated to the same person all in one day. So, uh, it turned out in the end that I actually had contact information, um, to my birth father first. Um, and this, this first cousin of my birth father, um, wanted me to call him. And at that time, and even still to this day, I just don't feel comfortable doing that. But he really, yeah, well, no calling, even this cousin of his, um, so we've emailed back many times actually. And, um, he's given me a little bit of information about my birth father. And then of course, I've done a lot of digging on the internet and I've found out that my birth father was married and his wife died in 2012. But more importantly, I have two half-brothers</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=753.15" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:33</a>):</p><p>Wow what do you think is preventing you from starting a conversation with your cousin. Do you feel like you want to talk to your father first?</p><p>Mary (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=759.09" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:39</a>):</p><p>Yeah. Um, yes, because the more information that I found out, I don't know if he knows I exist. So I feel like the only way that I could really approach my birth father is to write him a letter, which I've done. I just need to mail it.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=779.25" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:59</a>):</p><p>I wondered if Mary had the courage to mail the letter. And she said yes, because her birth mother was encouraging her to move forward. Mary had pieced together some information about her paternal side of the family. As a reminder, she was born in Ohio where original birth certificates were made available to adopt these in the spring of 2015.</p><p>Mary (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=798.99" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:18</a>):</p><p>So I sent them 20 bucks and they sent me back, um, not only the adoption decree, which I had never seen before, but also my original birth certificate. And that's how I found my mother. My mother did not put my birth father's name on the birth certificate. She left it blank and I found her second, but I would have had to use the internet to find him.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=825.211" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:45</a>):</p><p>Um Found her second but you connected with her first.</p><p>Mary (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=826.11" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:46</a>):</p><p>yeah. And so I started to, once I found out her name, I started to do a little internet digging on her. And a lot of things were coming back that she had recently died.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/u3tkCT1A-xZd3ns2nGXdmURcwjrRo91-fB1cWqF1fQw0XMJz8M3tqAVjiSlXEa1AnfdNmlcwocRrTa7pizC0sNInU_M?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=844.53" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">14:04</a>):</p><p>Some of Mary's girlfriends were pushing her to reach out to her birth father. If she really thought her birth mother had passed away, but she didn't follow their advice. And she kept digging online. Mary found an email address for her birth mother. So around Christmas time, 2017, she sent an introductory email to her.</p><p>Mary (<a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/054-i-just-want-to-sit-and-be-at-peace]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1967</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 27 Jul 2019 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/4a0a20f7-d746-4faf-a91f-baa6521f5c87/054-i-just-want-to-sit-and-be-at-peace-final.mp3" length="39133800" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>40:46</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>54</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>54</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season><itunes:summary>After 52 years in adoption, Mary never had a desire to locate her birth family. Her feeling was they had given her up, so she didn’t really want to share how well she turned out. Still, Mary obtained her non-identifying information in 1999, to satisfy medical history curiosity. On Christmas eve 2017 she emailed her birth mother…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>018 – What I Gained Through Reunion Is Context</title><itunes:title>018 – What I Gained Through Reunion Is Context</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Rebecca always knew she was adopted, but she also recognized that she didn’t quite fit with her adopted family. While she loved them a lot, she noticed physical and personality differences between them. She was taller with a different skin tone than them. She’s an extrovert raised by introverts and she calls herself a circuitous thinker that was raised by linear thinkers.</p><p>When her own child was born, then got sick, Rebecca thought to herself “I’ve got to find these people” and began her reunion journey. But the laborious process to try to uncover identifying information in Washington, D.C. is closed adoption system seemed to be a daunting task, especially after her child got well.</p><p>Rebecca says that she wasn’t really looking for her relatives at the time reunion found her. A friend of hers, who is also an adoptee, had extra DNA test that she was sending off to people as part of her own search, so she gave Rebecca a spare test. After reading through her biological connections on AncesteryDNA she was able to find her biological mother’s online identity. Her mother maintained a blog and social media which Rebecca read through feeling like she could have written the content herself.</p><p>Rebecca has had several revelations about adoption and it’s impact on herself and her family. She says what she gained thru reunion is context about herself, her children, and her adopted family.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/018-what-i-gained-through-reunion-is-context/" target="_blank">018 – What I Gained Through Reunion Is Context</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.74" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:03</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I don't begrudge her not telling her children either. I mean, how do you, how do you look at your kids and say to a child who's not gonna understand it? I gave away your sister.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=20.36" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:20</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=31.75" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:31</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=46.65" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:46</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Hey, I'm Damon Davis and on the show today I'm joined by Rebecca. She lives in Vermont, but grew up in Washington, D.C, completely comfortable with the fact that she was adopted. In her journey, Rebecca kind of searched here and there for clues about her biological identity, but the process seemed like it was going to be too challenging. But then reunion found her rather unexpectedly through DNA testing. On her journey, Rebecca gained a connection to her biological family and siblings who are just like her and a context for her life that she never had before. We pick up Rebecca's story when she was a child in the nation's Capitol. Rebecca says she always knew that she was adopted and she was given some non identifying information about her closed adoption that she clung to. She said that while she never felt stigmatized, she did notice differences between herself and her family. In some ways they're physically different, but she says she also noticed how they just kind of think differently too.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=108.2" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:48</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, I mean, I didn't look like anyone the most basic level, which, um, you know, people love to tell you oh, that doesn't matter. It, it matters when you're the one that doesn't look like anybody. I would also say..</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=120.01" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:00</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">You didn't look like anybody in your family? In your community? Where?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=123.24" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:03</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">In my immediate family, and I mean in some ways I guess I, I could pass. I'm not an interracial adoption. I'm not a trans racial, you know, I'm not from another country. So in one way, I guess the very base level, I'm a white kid, adopted to a white family, right? So I looked racially similar, but I tower over everybody. Um, my skin coloring is different. My eyes color different. I mean, I didn't, I don't look like them. And my temperament and my, my way of thinking and being and moving in the world, it is different. I was unable to relate that to being adopted until I was in reunion, however.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=158.94" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:38</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Gotcha. What are some of the differences for you? Like is it temperament? Is it shorter fuse? Is it more excitable? What are, what are the differences between your family?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=167.69" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:47</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I have described it this way that I am a circuitous thinker, um, and speaker, uh, what raised by linear thinkers, um, where, you know, a plus B equals C and for me it was like, well let's talk about a for a while, then we'll hop over to Z and then come back on. And also, um, massively extroverted and was raised by introverts. My adoptive father has some extroversion to him. He can speak to people that he liked. He liked everything orderly and buttoned up in a certain way. And this is how you do it. And just naturally that's just not at all who I am, who I was, my adoptive mother, I would call her introverted. She also can be very social, has lots of friends and speaks well and is out in the community. But I would say loves to be, gets refreshed by being alone. I just never had that. I always wanted to be surrounded by people.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=218.19" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:38</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So fascinating So when did you have this desire to search? What sort of sprung you into action for wanting to look for your biological family?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=227.13" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:47</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I mean, I've gone in and out of wanting to search my entire life. And you know, I certainly had fantasies about it when I was a kid growing up and envisioned, you know, who is the elusive mother, you know, mostly about a mother. You know, I would think about my bio dad sometimes, but it's all, I think it's usually tied up in the mom. Right. And so I always, I had fantasies about it and I would think, Oh, it would be this amazing reunion and it would be like coming home. And I looked at this feeling, you know, in my early years there was this woman just sitting out there waiting for me. Just biding time until we could be reunited, you know? And then I would say I, you know I turned 16, 17 around the age of when she gave birth to me and all of a sudden it kind of hit me like a ton of bricks. Hold on a second. This is not the simple story I was told, I'm sure that because if I was pregnant right now, that's what I'm thinking. At 16, 17 I started to see the complexity of what the story like we was and what it might mean to want to find...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebecca always knew she was adopted, but she also recognized that she didn’t quite fit with her adopted family. While she loved them a lot, she noticed physical and personality differences between them. She was taller with a different skin tone than them. She’s an extrovert raised by introverts and she calls herself a circuitous thinker that was raised by linear thinkers.</p><p>When her own child was born, then got sick, Rebecca thought to herself “I’ve got to find these people” and began her reunion journey. But the laborious process to try to uncover identifying information in Washington, D.C. is closed adoption system seemed to be a daunting task, especially after her child got well.</p><p>Rebecca says that she wasn’t really looking for her relatives at the time reunion found her. A friend of hers, who is also an adoptee, had extra DNA test that she was sending off to people as part of her own search, so she gave Rebecca a spare test. After reading through her biological connections on AncesteryDNA she was able to find her biological mother’s online identity. Her mother maintained a blog and social media which Rebecca read through feeling like she could have written the content herself.</p><p>Rebecca has had several revelations about adoption and it’s impact on herself and her family. She says what she gained thru reunion is context about herself, her children, and her adopted family.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/018-what-i-gained-through-reunion-is-context/" target="_blank">018 – What I Gained Through Reunion Is Context</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.74" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:03</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I don't begrudge her not telling her children either. I mean, how do you, how do you look at your kids and say to a child who's not gonna understand it? I gave away your sister.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=20.36" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:20</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=31.75" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:31</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=46.65" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:46</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Hey, I'm Damon Davis and on the show today I'm joined by Rebecca. She lives in Vermont, but grew up in Washington, D.C, completely comfortable with the fact that she was adopted. In her journey, Rebecca kind of searched here and there for clues about her biological identity, but the process seemed like it was going to be too challenging. But then reunion found her rather unexpectedly through DNA testing. On her journey, Rebecca gained a connection to her biological family and siblings who are just like her and a context for her life that she never had before. We pick up Rebecca's story when she was a child in the nation's Capitol. Rebecca says she always knew that she was adopted and she was given some non identifying information about her closed adoption that she clung to. She said that while she never felt stigmatized, she did notice differences between herself and her family. In some ways they're physically different, but she says she also noticed how they just kind of think differently too.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=108.2" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:48</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, I mean, I didn't look like anyone the most basic level, which, um, you know, people love to tell you oh, that doesn't matter. It, it matters when you're the one that doesn't look like anybody. I would also say..</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=120.01" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:00</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">You didn't look like anybody in your family? In your community? Where?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=123.24" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:03</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">In my immediate family, and I mean in some ways I guess I, I could pass. I'm not an interracial adoption. I'm not a trans racial, you know, I'm not from another country. So in one way, I guess the very base level, I'm a white kid, adopted to a white family, right? So I looked racially similar, but I tower over everybody. Um, my skin coloring is different. My eyes color different. I mean, I didn't, I don't look like them. And my temperament and my, my way of thinking and being and moving in the world, it is different. I was unable to relate that to being adopted until I was in reunion, however.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=158.94" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:38</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Gotcha. What are some of the differences for you? Like is it temperament? Is it shorter fuse? Is it more excitable? What are, what are the differences between your family?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=167.69" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:47</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I have described it this way that I am a circuitous thinker, um, and speaker, uh, what raised by linear thinkers, um, where, you know, a plus B equals C and for me it was like, well let's talk about a for a while, then we'll hop over to Z and then come back on. And also, um, massively extroverted and was raised by introverts. My adoptive father has some extroversion to him. He can speak to people that he liked. He liked everything orderly and buttoned up in a certain way. And this is how you do it. And just naturally that's just not at all who I am, who I was, my adoptive mother, I would call her introverted. She also can be very social, has lots of friends and speaks well and is out in the community. But I would say loves to be, gets refreshed by being alone. I just never had that. I always wanted to be surrounded by people.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=218.19" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:38</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So fascinating So when did you have this desire to search? What sort of sprung you into action for wanting to look for your biological family?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=227.13" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:47</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I mean, I've gone in and out of wanting to search my entire life. And you know, I certainly had fantasies about it when I was a kid growing up and envisioned, you know, who is the elusive mother, you know, mostly about a mother. You know, I would think about my bio dad sometimes, but it's all, I think it's usually tied up in the mom. Right. And so I always, I had fantasies about it and I would think, Oh, it would be this amazing reunion and it would be like coming home. And I looked at this feeling, you know, in my early years there was this woman just sitting out there waiting for me. Just biding time until we could be reunited, you know? And then I would say I, you know I turned 16, 17 around the age of when she gave birth to me and all of a sudden it kind of hit me like a ton of bricks. Hold on a second. This is not the simple story I was told, I'm sure that because if I was pregnant right now, that's what I'm thinking. At 16, 17 I started to see the complexity of what the story like we was and what it might mean to want to find her.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=287.97" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:47</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">As time passed, Rebecca would take breaks from her search. She would haphazardly sign up for discovery registries here and there, but she never got any hits for people that were looking for her. Washington DC has very strict rules for opening adoption records and Rebecca had the impression she had a black line adoption. That is an adoption where the original record is literally redacted with black lines to prevent re identification of the family involved in the adoption plan, but as is the case sometimes with adoptees, a medical issue in her family reignited her desire to search for her biological family member.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=320.73" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:20</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Then I had a child who was very, very sick and we thought she might need a bone marrow transplant.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=324.511" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:24</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So that was a catalyst for you.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=324.511" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:24</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well that was about six years ago, seven years ago. And I said, all right, I got the paperwork from DC, I'm going to fill it out. I'm going to have to fight, I've got to find these people. But she got well before and then all of a sudden the process felt overwhelming to me again.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=343.28" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:43</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca told me that reunion actually found her. One of her friends that's also an adoptee has been using DNA testing as her tool to locate her family. She had been sending DNA test kits to people that she thought might be related to her. Her friend had some extra tests. So she suggested Rebecca try the DNA testing route herself. So she sends you a test.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=363.94" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:03</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And in three weeks I had found my family.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=366.08" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:06</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Wow. So what happened? How did that go down?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=370" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:10</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, first of all, let me say, you know, struggling with the massive adoptee guilt over the fact that she still hasn't found them and that it was just so easy for me. But so I took the test, I was expecting to get a result back in, they said six to eight weeks. It happened very, very quickly. Um, right before Christmas I got my results back and I was thinking I would just find out if my ethnic background was correct, which it wasn't. I knew I was Lithuanian, which is true. And I thought I had Jewish background, which is not true. And I am about half Irish and I had no idea that I was Irish, but my kids are all Irish step dancers. So I guess there's some genetic memory. So yeah. So I took the test, I got the results back really, really quick and I had some third cousins, but I also had a very close match and I knew by the age of this person online and the age of who my biological parents were, you know, I kind of added it up. It had to be an uncle and he had put about six, seven generations of history up on ancestry.com and so since both of my grandparents, his parents are deceased, I could see the names of my grandparents and they had six children and so I knew one of those six children was a parent. I didn't know if it was a mother or father and I started, I started Googling all their names and I found, I hit upon this one woman and I found her two blogs and I just knew that was my mother. I knew it was my mother.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=459.44" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:39</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">How did you know?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=459.44" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:39</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Because if there was someone who was going to have a mother who was an Episcopalian priest, does standup comedy storytelling and writes blogs and with like kind of a crass but also reverent sense of humor, it's me like this is, that is me like that. It was so bizarre and I just knew it and my heart kind of went in all directions all at once. It became very, very real, very quickly.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=484.29" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:04</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So you tracked her down online and you basically discovered her online identity without really ever connecting with her, but you just felt like that was it.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=493.61" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:13</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I knew it. Absolutely. I read her writing. The way she writes is almost identical to the style. The way I use words. That was huge for me. You know, I was a theater major. I use words a lot. I write and to see that this woman is the way she was writing. I mean I just knew it. I could have written it and then through there I found my sister. I have three full siblings. I found my sister's blog and my sister's blog. I read the whole thing before she even knew I existed and that I was, I could have written that blog. It was so insane the way they think, the sense of humor, I don't even know how to explain it. I have never related to someone like that, and I hadn't even met them or talked to them yet.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=537.22" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:57</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Wow. That must've been so cool. What an amazing feeling to sort of feel this connection to these people and have it resonated such a deep level that you felt like you could have written their own writing. Tell me about what happened next. How did you reach out to them? What did you decide to do?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Rebecca (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/poBMFXzRbsOGal0Vhsys4kyJ-5c4r4pI0ZZmSiQXOfA9hJF4O3G7nd1HcebOa6Nv2ETq69PBN9XV84w03yvfDNYzkZI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=551.91" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:11</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, I felt that I should go through my uncle since he's the one who put his information out, I felt it was probably better. I didn't want to freak out my birth mother or anyone else, you know? I figured, Hey, he put all this information out there, he can take responsibility for this. So I contacted him and I waited to hear back from him and I first I wrote like the email you're supposed to do, which is, you know, I want to be really respectful and I've had a really great life and you know, very low key. And then I started reading the blogs and then I said, forget it. I'm going to write how I write. Once I read their blogs, I]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/018-what-i-gained-through-reunion-is-context]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1591</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2019 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/6ed40176-d42d-4d67-95da-bd0543fbc9c2/018-rebecca-final.mp3" length="24864028" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>25:54</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>18</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>18</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Rebecca always knew she was adopted, but she also recognized that she didn’t quite fit with her adopted family. While she loved them a lot, she noticed physical and personality differences between them. She was taller with a different skin tone than them. She’s an extrovert raised by introverts and she calls herself a circuitous…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>025 – I Feel So Lucky, I Got Way More Than I Bargained For</title><itunes:title>025 – I Feel So Lucky, I Got Way More Than I Bargained For</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>With extra time on her hands, Jennifer used a Search Angel to locate her biological relatives. She connected with her maternal&nbsp;Aunt over Facebook Messenger, simultaneously emailing her birth father using his contact info from LinkedIn.&nbsp;Hoping for a connection to her biological mother, the pendulum swung in the other direction after her mother rejected her.&nbsp;Jennifer recovered almost immediately with a loving connection to her biological father whom she has a natural bond with.</p><p>I hope you’ll remember David’s amazing story, in episode 15 <a href="http://bit.ly/2S8ORvO_015" target="_blank">“We Wish We Could Have Grown Up Together”</a>. He remembered the day, when he was a boy, when his family brought home a baby girl.&nbsp;Jennifer is David’s lifetime sister.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/025-2/" target="_blank">025 – I Feel So Lucky, I Got Way More Than I Bargained For</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Jennifer (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=0.2" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:00</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I feel so lucky to have formed this connection and you know, I didn't really go into it thinking that I was looking for a mother or a father. I was just looking for information to understand myself better and where I came from, but I got, you know, way more than I bargained for.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=27.41" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:27</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=38.85" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:38</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and today you're about to meet Jennifer who lives outside of Los Angeles. I'm excited to bring you her story because it's the first time the Who Am I Really podcast brings you the sibling story of another guest. I hope you'll remember the journey of David in episode 15 he said that he remembered the day when he was a boy, when his family brought home a baby girl.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">David (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=70.21" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:10</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">My younger sister is Jennifer, and she was three and a half years younger than me and I actually remember going to pick her up. It was just kind of cool. Yeah. I just remember kind of getting out of the car in the parking lot and going somewhere. Next thing we know, I have a sister.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=82.95" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:22</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Just like David. Jennifer used a search angel to get started on her journey. The search angels team quickly returned information about both of Jennifer's biological parents, so she sent them both introductory messages. Hoping for a connection to her biological mother, the pendulum swung completely in the other direction after her mother rejected her. However, she was able to recover almost immediately with a loving connection to her biological father who has been connected to her ever since. Jennifer's parents were divorced when she was seven years old. When her curiosity about her history first struck her parents weren't able to give her any concrete details. Her brother David's search wasn't going very well. So Jennifer kind of let it go for a while.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jennifer (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=126.48" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:06</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I knew from the time I was really young that I was adopted, so when I was young I wasn't really interested in finding anything out. But like as you get older you want to know what the story was. And as my parents started to get older and then my parents kept forgetting or you know, whose story was what. And so as I became older, you know, I was more interested in, in finding that information out and I thought they would have some sort of backup, you know, but they didn't. Then I was kind of at a loss. At that time, my brother was looking, you know, before the internet and it seemed like he wasn't getting anywhere. So, you know, I just focused on finishing school, getting a job, you know, getting married.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=166.2" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:46</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jennifer had wanted to know more about her history for a long time. She had written in for her non-identifying information in 2007. She had her parents' ages at the time of her birth, their occupations, religious beliefs, and a few tidbits about some of their interests.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jennifer (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=182.38" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:02</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So I knew back then that they were into sailing and my dad was a surfer, so I thought, okay, they must have met somewhere on the coast. And since I live near a Marina Del Ray and I was born in Granada Hills, which you know, is the Valley of LA, not too far. I figured maybe I'll run into him somewhere at the beach cause you know, I'm a coastal kid and grew up at the beach.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=204.32" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:24</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jennifer said she was always on the lookout for someone that could have been one of her parents. Her choice of career placed her in a position to meet a lot of folks whom she evaluated for both their professional capabilities and her own potentially personal connection to them. But it wasn't until she was unemployed that she had the time and opportunity to truly begin her search.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jennifer (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=225.71" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:45</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And I went into HR as a career, so I did a lot of interviewing and it's kind of funny, I interview people almost seeing if I looked like anyone, you know what I'm saying?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=234.03" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:54</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Really? You had like an investigative eye basically on everybody you tried to come across?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jennifer (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=238.63" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:58</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah. You know, because I knew, you know, they couldn't have been that much older than me, but it wasn't until, um, I was laid off from a job that I had time to go, okay, if I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it now</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=251.12" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:11</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">With extra time on her hands. She evaluated her possibilities for launching a search. David had already been on an internet search journey for a while that wasn't yielding any results. She figured if she was going to get any results, she would have to pay for them.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jennifer (</span><a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With extra time on her hands, Jennifer used a Search Angel to locate her biological relatives. She connected with her maternal&nbsp;Aunt over Facebook Messenger, simultaneously emailing her birth father using his contact info from LinkedIn.&nbsp;Hoping for a connection to her biological mother, the pendulum swung in the other direction after her mother rejected her.&nbsp;Jennifer recovered almost immediately with a loving connection to her biological father whom she has a natural bond with.</p><p>I hope you’ll remember David’s amazing story, in episode 15 <a href="http://bit.ly/2S8ORvO_015" target="_blank">“We Wish We Could Have Grown Up Together”</a>. He remembered the day, when he was a boy, when his family brought home a baby girl.&nbsp;Jennifer is David’s lifetime sister.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/025-2/" target="_blank">025 – I Feel So Lucky, I Got Way More Than I Bargained For</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Jennifer (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=0.2" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:00</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I feel so lucky to have formed this connection and you know, I didn't really go into it thinking that I was looking for a mother or a father. I was just looking for information to understand myself better and where I came from, but I got, you know, way more than I bargained for.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=27.41" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:27</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=38.85" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:38</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and today you're about to meet Jennifer who lives outside of Los Angeles. I'm excited to bring you her story because it's the first time the Who Am I Really podcast brings you the sibling story of another guest. I hope you'll remember the journey of David in episode 15 he said that he remembered the day when he was a boy, when his family brought home a baby girl.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">David (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=70.21" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:10</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">My younger sister is Jennifer, and she was three and a half years younger than me and I actually remember going to pick her up. It was just kind of cool. Yeah. I just remember kind of getting out of the car in the parking lot and going somewhere. Next thing we know, I have a sister.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=82.95" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:22</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Just like David. Jennifer used a search angel to get started on her journey. The search angels team quickly returned information about both of Jennifer's biological parents, so she sent them both introductory messages. Hoping for a connection to her biological mother, the pendulum swung completely in the other direction after her mother rejected her. However, she was able to recover almost immediately with a loving connection to her biological father who has been connected to her ever since. Jennifer's parents were divorced when she was seven years old. When her curiosity about her history first struck her parents weren't able to give her any concrete details. Her brother David's search wasn't going very well. So Jennifer kind of let it go for a while.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jennifer (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=126.48" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:06</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I knew from the time I was really young that I was adopted, so when I was young I wasn't really interested in finding anything out. But like as you get older you want to know what the story was. And as my parents started to get older and then my parents kept forgetting or you know, whose story was what. And so as I became older, you know, I was more interested in, in finding that information out and I thought they would have some sort of backup, you know, but they didn't. Then I was kind of at a loss. At that time, my brother was looking, you know, before the internet and it seemed like he wasn't getting anywhere. So, you know, I just focused on finishing school, getting a job, you know, getting married.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=166.2" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:46</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jennifer had wanted to know more about her history for a long time. She had written in for her non-identifying information in 2007. She had her parents' ages at the time of her birth, their occupations, religious beliefs, and a few tidbits about some of their interests.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jennifer (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=182.38" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:02</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So I knew back then that they were into sailing and my dad was a surfer, so I thought, okay, they must have met somewhere on the coast. And since I live near a Marina Del Ray and I was born in Granada Hills, which you know, is the Valley of LA, not too far. I figured maybe I'll run into him somewhere at the beach cause you know, I'm a coastal kid and grew up at the beach.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=204.32" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:24</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jennifer said she was always on the lookout for someone that could have been one of her parents. Her choice of career placed her in a position to meet a lot of folks whom she evaluated for both their professional capabilities and her own potentially personal connection to them. But it wasn't until she was unemployed that she had the time and opportunity to truly begin her search.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jennifer (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=225.71" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:45</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And I went into HR as a career, so I did a lot of interviewing and it's kind of funny, I interview people almost seeing if I looked like anyone, you know what I'm saying?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=234.03" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:54</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Really? You had like an investigative eye basically on everybody you tried to come across?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jennifer (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=238.63" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:58</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah. You know, because I knew, you know, they couldn't have been that much older than me, but it wasn't until, um, I was laid off from a job that I had time to go, okay, if I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it now</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=251.12" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:11</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">With extra time on her hands. She evaluated her possibilities for launching a search. David had already been on an internet search journey for a while that wasn't yielding any results. She figured if she was going to get any results, she would have to pay for them.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jennifer (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=265.66" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:25</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I went online and started searching for like private investigators out there and I thought, okay, I have severance. Maybe I'll pay someone finally to do it. Cause I figured that was the only way it was going to happen to pay somebody. In the meantime, I had found these search angels and I thought, what's that? And I thought, really they do it for free? I saw this woman and she, you know, she had a LinkedIn profile. She seemed to be very involved in the community. So I reached out to her and said, hey, you know, I have this non-identifying information. You know, I've also contacted these agencies that charge you, these detective agencies, what do you think? Can you help me? And she immediately was like, yes, I can help you. You know, you don't need to pay these folks to do it. Apparently there were a lot of agencies out there that will just take your money and not even find your family.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=314.6" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:14</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jennifer provided her non identifying information to the search angel and the angels team went to work. Jennifer was amazed at the results the team achieved using their access to resources and social media sites.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jennifer (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=327.1" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:27</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">She has like a team of people who do this throughout the country. You know, I don't know what they have access to, but they have access to a lot of stuff because within a day, you know, they thought they knew who the parents were, the names and they had identified who was probably my first mother's sister who was like, you know, 18 months younger. They found her Facebook account and I was able to contact her on Facebook by essentially paying a dollar to make sure that my email was seen and it wasn't, it didn't go to a junk mail folder or anything.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=359.33" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:59</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">What did you say? If you don't mind, just, just pause for a second. Like you're reaching out to this aunt and you have no idea if she knows that you exist. If she doesn't know if she wants to meet you, if she doesn't like what did you even say?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jennifer (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=371.96" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:11</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah. So I kind of struggled with that and you know, read some blogs and looked online to see what I should do. And I ended up just saying, this is my name, this is where I live. I'm looking for this person, which is the birth mother's name. You know, I knew her in and I gave that year that I was born and she actually responded fairly quickly. She had contacted her sister, my birth mother, and gotten back to me and said, she doesn't know who you are. And so when she said that, I said, okay, I have a confession to make. I believe I'm her daughter who she gave up for adoption and when I said that to her, she, she basically really opened up and she did know about me and she started really sharing stuff about the family and what was going on. You know, one of the things she also made clear though was that my mother did not want to talk to me. Maybe she would in the future, but you know, she wasn't really interested in having a relationship.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=430.84" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:10</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">What did you think? It sounds like she was, she was fairly declarative about that. What did you think?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jennifer (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=434.69" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:14</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Oh yeah, I was definitely shocked cause I'm like really? Like you don't even want to talk over the phone?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=441.29" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:21</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Even though her mother wasn't interested in having a relationship. Jennifer's biological aunt was still very helpful to her. She gave Jennifer some details about the family, medical information and pictures of the sisters at about the time that Jennifer was born.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jennifer (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=455.47" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:35</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Right then I could see the resemblance of me to that family.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=459.24" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:39</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Wow. What did that feel like for you?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jennifer (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=461" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:41</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I mean really it's the first time, like here I say, you know, I'd be interviewing people and trying to figure out if I look like anyone. And that was one of the shockers when a search angel sent me a picture and we exchanged them to see if this was the right family. They were like, Oh yeah, you totally look like you know your dad or, or your mom. And I'm like, do I? Because I had never, um, look like anyone in my family, you know, my brother and I are both adopted from different families. So you know, people used to say we looked alike but we just laugh cause we're like, yeah, that's not possible.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=492.2" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:12</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I know that trick very well. I wondered about Jennifer's connection back to her adopted parents. She said she and David didn't look like their family, which is pretty common with adoptees, but I wanted to know what their connection was and what they had in common. How about, how about just in general, if you don't mind, just going back to you like your mom and how did you get along with her and did you have commonalities between your personality and hers or were you different? What was your sort of family like back then?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jennifer (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=519.32" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:39</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, I would say my mother is great. She's always supported me, my adopted mother. However, we don't have any interests pretty much that are similar. You know, my body type was much, you know, like bigger boned and she was, you know, always very thin. So when I was growing up, you know, I'm, Oh my God, I feel like an Amazon compared to her. And really I wasn't that much of an Amazon. It's just compared to her at that age, when you're going through those changes and everything that you're like, Oh,</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/__Y-_hLEKle5tTMKGLVLC2TTBI8AK5ehMu41OrGunrnEUKdcORb-LAkBH6oE9U8KEd8KRytccZQgbB_b1YnpQRxdWGE?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=547.69" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:07</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">You look at every inch of your own body as compared with every person around you.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jennifer (</span><a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/025-i-feel-so-lucky-i-got-way-more-than-i-bargained-for]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1704</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 13 Jul 2019 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/da1faa93-5169-4174-a5a1-829fc3a0d1d4/025-jennifer-b-final.mp3" length="29465204" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>30:41</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>25</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>25</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>With extra time on her hands, Jennifer used a Search Angel to locate her biological relatives. She connected with her maternal Aunt over Facebook Messenger, simultaneously emailing her birth father using his contact info from LinkedIn. Hoping for a connection to her biological mother, the pendulum swung in the other direction after her mother rejected her.  Jennifer…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>015 – We Wish We Could Have Grown Up Together</title><itunes:title>015 – We Wish We Could Have Grown Up Together</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>David tried to find his birth mother in the early 90’s in California. He received non-identifying information back then, but it wasn’t much to act on at the time. Later, in 2015, motivated by his wife and his “lifetime sister”, he embarked on an intense&nbsp;collaboration with his adoption search angel Priscilla. Together they discovered his mother’s name and her location. David found an incredible photograph of his mother in the public library’s archives and was hopeful he would meet her soon. Unfortunately, he was too late to meet her in person. But in the end, he gained a full blooded sister that he didn’t even know he had. They get along great, and wish that they had grown up together.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/015-david-b/" target="_blank">015 – We Wish We Could Have Grown Up Together</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">David (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.78" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:03</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">The very first link I clicked on the screen slowly, you know, was showing an image and it was my mother in her wedding dress. It was the picture from that article. There was a young couple next to me and I just looked over and I said, that's my mom,</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=26.17" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:26</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=33.26" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:33</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I, Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. Hey, it's Damon. On the show today, I'm joined by David. He grew up in Southern California with one adopted sister whom he lovingly refers to as his lifetime sister. David remembers the day when his family went to pick up Jennifer when she was adopted and they both grew up knowing they were adoptees. He said he didn't really think about his biological family much until one day it just hit him. He didn't know anything about where he was from. His curiosity was peaked and fed by Jennifer's eventual discovery of her own biological father and urging from his wife to keep searching. In the end, David's collaborative teamwork with his adoption search angel, Priscilla, helped him learn more about his mother and father and connect to his biological sister. Here's David's journey.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=102.56" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:42</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">David grew up in Southern California and was perfectly comfortable with his adoption from an early age, but in his teen years there was a week where everybody was asking him if he was Irish. It turned out his adopted mother had a little bit of confirmation about his original identity.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">David (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=118.84" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:58</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Grew up knowing my whole life that I was adopted. You know, I was told I, I don't know exactly at what age, but it was young enough that that's just what I knew and I didn't even know what it really meant quite frankly. I just kind of, I would tell people I'm adopted, you know, there was a period I was working, there was, it was shortly after I graduated high school and I was working at the grocery store as a box boy bagging groceries and stuff and the day shift. And so I'd have a lot of, you know, young mothers with their kids and stuff coming through. And in the period of like one or two weeks, I had three or four different people ask me if I was Irish. And I, I had never given it much thought I was raised Jewish. The family history of my adopted parents on both sides were a Russian immigrant who came to the U.S. Uh, my grandparents. So that was the only history I knew, which of course it wasn't my own personal biological heritage, you know, so I'd never given much thought about, you know, what nationality I was. And so I asked my mother, Hey, you know what, my nationality is? And sure enough, she said, yeah, you're mostly Irish and a little bit German.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=195.33" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:15</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">is that, right? People who are watching you on the street, we're spot on, huh?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">David (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=198.95" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:18</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah, yeah. You know, as a kid, when I thought Irish, I thought of like red-headed freckled and I'm not bad. Yeah, I guess it's Northern Irish. We have the dark hair and it's very common and stuff, but it's just something I really had never given a thought to. So that was kind of fascinating. And I asked my mother if she knew anything else. And again, I'm probably about 18 or 19 at this point. And she said she knew the last name on the birth certificate or whatever was Roby, but she, she said that, I don't think that was actually, you know, anybody related to you? I think it was my mother's first marriage, but she said she knew that I had two older half-brothers from her first marriage, a few years older than me. And I thought, Oh, that's interesting.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=245.7" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:05</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">How did she know that? Do you know?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">David (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=247.1" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:07</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, yeah, I found out much later. She actually met my mother in the final signing off on the paperwork after I was born in court, you know, just kind of like formality and that was really all she knew. So that would have been like around 89 no, no. It'd been earlier than that, but yeah. And I couldn't do anything with that. Yeah, I think you had too much thought. Although I do remember one time I, uh, was with some friends and it was a beautiful day and I just kind of got really sad. I had like a whole thing about where the hell did I come from? I just suddenly felt alone in the universe. I felt like I have no idea where the heck I came from. I don't know why it hit me all at once. It was just kind of overwhelming.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=295.12" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:55</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Several years later after David married his wife, Diane, she suggested he might want to try to locate his birth mother. I asked David why she made that suggestion and whether he thought she was seeing a need in him to search.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">David (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=308.26" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:08</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I'm a musician. I didn't mention that, but I've had some lyrics that I've written, a whole song that wrote, Oh, gave me life, which is about that and some other songs where I've made reference to that. And so maybe that might've been one of the reasons.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=324.64" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:24</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So you weren't overtly speaking about it, but your, your lyrics were showing some deep emotion and some thought...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David tried to find his birth mother in the early 90’s in California. He received non-identifying information back then, but it wasn’t much to act on at the time. Later, in 2015, motivated by his wife and his “lifetime sister”, he embarked on an intense&nbsp;collaboration with his adoption search angel Priscilla. Together they discovered his mother’s name and her location. David found an incredible photograph of his mother in the public library’s archives and was hopeful he would meet her soon. Unfortunately, he was too late to meet her in person. But in the end, he gained a full blooded sister that he didn’t even know he had. They get along great, and wish that they had grown up together.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/015-david-b/" target="_blank">015 – We Wish We Could Have Grown Up Together</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">David (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.78" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:03</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">The very first link I clicked on the screen slowly, you know, was showing an image and it was my mother in her wedding dress. It was the picture from that article. There was a young couple next to me and I just looked over and I said, that's my mom,</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=26.17" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:26</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=33.26" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:33</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I, Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. Hey, it's Damon. On the show today, I'm joined by David. He grew up in Southern California with one adopted sister whom he lovingly refers to as his lifetime sister. David remembers the day when his family went to pick up Jennifer when she was adopted and they both grew up knowing they were adoptees. He said he didn't really think about his biological family much until one day it just hit him. He didn't know anything about where he was from. His curiosity was peaked and fed by Jennifer's eventual discovery of her own biological father and urging from his wife to keep searching. In the end, David's collaborative teamwork with his adoption search angel, Priscilla, helped him learn more about his mother and father and connect to his biological sister. Here's David's journey.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=102.56" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:42</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">David grew up in Southern California and was perfectly comfortable with his adoption from an early age, but in his teen years there was a week where everybody was asking him if he was Irish. It turned out his adopted mother had a little bit of confirmation about his original identity.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">David (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=118.84" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:58</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Grew up knowing my whole life that I was adopted. You know, I was told I, I don't know exactly at what age, but it was young enough that that's just what I knew and I didn't even know what it really meant quite frankly. I just kind of, I would tell people I'm adopted, you know, there was a period I was working, there was, it was shortly after I graduated high school and I was working at the grocery store as a box boy bagging groceries and stuff and the day shift. And so I'd have a lot of, you know, young mothers with their kids and stuff coming through. And in the period of like one or two weeks, I had three or four different people ask me if I was Irish. And I, I had never given it much thought I was raised Jewish. The family history of my adopted parents on both sides were a Russian immigrant who came to the U.S. Uh, my grandparents. So that was the only history I knew, which of course it wasn't my own personal biological heritage, you know, so I'd never given much thought about, you know, what nationality I was. And so I asked my mother, Hey, you know what, my nationality is? And sure enough, she said, yeah, you're mostly Irish and a little bit German.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=195.33" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:15</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">is that, right? People who are watching you on the street, we're spot on, huh?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">David (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=198.95" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:18</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah, yeah. You know, as a kid, when I thought Irish, I thought of like red-headed freckled and I'm not bad. Yeah, I guess it's Northern Irish. We have the dark hair and it's very common and stuff, but it's just something I really had never given a thought to. So that was kind of fascinating. And I asked my mother if she knew anything else. And again, I'm probably about 18 or 19 at this point. And she said she knew the last name on the birth certificate or whatever was Roby, but she, she said that, I don't think that was actually, you know, anybody related to you? I think it was my mother's first marriage, but she said she knew that I had two older half-brothers from her first marriage, a few years older than me. And I thought, Oh, that's interesting.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=245.7" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:05</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">How did she know that? Do you know?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">David (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=247.1" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:07</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, yeah, I found out much later. She actually met my mother in the final signing off on the paperwork after I was born in court, you know, just kind of like formality and that was really all she knew. So that would have been like around 89 no, no. It'd been earlier than that, but yeah. And I couldn't do anything with that. Yeah, I think you had too much thought. Although I do remember one time I, uh, was with some friends and it was a beautiful day and I just kind of got really sad. I had like a whole thing about where the hell did I come from? I just suddenly felt alone in the universe. I felt like I have no idea where the heck I came from. I don't know why it hit me all at once. It was just kind of overwhelming.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=295.12" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:55</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Several years later after David married his wife, Diane, she suggested he might want to try to locate his birth mother. I asked David why she made that suggestion and whether he thought she was seeing a need in him to search.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">David (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=308.26" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:08</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I'm a musician. I didn't mention that, but I've had some lyrics that I've written, a whole song that wrote, Oh, gave me life, which is about that and some other songs where I've made reference to that. And so maybe that might've been one of the reasons.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=324.64" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:24</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So you weren't overtly speaking about it, but your, your lyrics were showing some deep emotion and some thought in the background about it, huh?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">David (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=331" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:31</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah, absolutely. Like I said, my whole childhood, I never thought about it and maybe maybe it was back there, but I really don't have recollection of wondering until you know I was an adult.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=342.02" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:42</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Makes perfect sense. So your wife has begun to urge you. What did you think? Were you still in the sort of just like, nah, I'm good. Or did you say, yeah, I'm starting to feel it.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">David (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=351.33" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:51</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">That's what I did kind of want to find out. And I found an organization in Southern California that helped adoptees and again this is the early nineties so it's preaired internet and really having the ability to do much on your own. But one of the things that they told me is that you can send to the state for non identifying information and you know they told me what to do. I filled out the form and sent it in.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=377.82" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:17</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">It was the early nineties before internet searches to locate people was as fruitful as they are now. He found that in Southern California he could submit a form to the state to receive his non identifying information. The results he received were fascinating for David. He learned about the makeup of his biological parents families, about some of their hobbies and interests and began to trace traits that he learned about them back to himself. He still didn't know how to find them. Then he got a random clue about his biological mother out of the blue.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">David (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=410.26" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:50</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And I got two pages of information, which was actually really valuable information. Although again, at the time there wasn't a lot I could do with it, but it still was fascinating cause it it what it is is this information that both parents fill out and I found out my mother was born in New York, my father was born in Texas and she was one of eight kids and Catholic and it did say Irish. My father was the oldest of five boys, so it's two large families and my family that I grew up with with me and I had a younger sister who was also adopted, my younger sisters, Jennifer, and she was three half years younger than me and I actually remember going to pick her up. It was just kind of cool. Yeah. I just remember kind of getting out of the car in the parking lot and going somewhere. Next thing we know I have a sister.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=466.31" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:46</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Wow. And you knew at that time already that you were adopted even though you didn't quite know what it meant, but now you sort of had a personal experience, you watch someone else's adoption happen.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">David (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=476.95" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:56</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Exactly. And it was interesting because in addition to that, one of the things that it said was that my parents were not married and they had lived together for a couple of months and decided they were not going to get married and that's the reason they've put me up for adoption. The other thing that was kind of neat was it had it listed their jobs at the time and you know, education, it also had some medical background. It also told their ages that she was 27 when I was born. I think my father was 30 something like that. It also had like, their like hobbies and interests.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=514.29" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:34</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Wow.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">David (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=515.09" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:35</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">My father with sports and playing bridge and building model airplanes.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=520.66" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:40</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Oh that's so interesting.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">David (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=521.94" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:41</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I've always been into sports, more of a fan that actually a participant and I did play bridge as a kid. Something I learned with my family, but I was really into models. I used to love to build, especially like space models and planes too. So that was kind of interesting. And my mother also was very artistic. She liked to paint and draw and I like to draw and things like that so that, that was kind of neat.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=550.2" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:10</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah. And you're an artist as a musician as well, so you're the artistic side of your brain, you know, seems to resonate with your mother's side, huh?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">David (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=556.5" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:16</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah. Yeah. And so that was kind of neat to find out. Again, this is like 92 I think. And you know, again, I said I still didn't have any real direction on what to do with this and it was kind of weird. I got a phone call one night from a woman at this organization and she said, your mother's maiden name is Edmondson. And I was like, cause I had never heard that name before.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=581.87" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:41</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Right.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">David (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=582.35" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:42</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I was like, okay, what's her first name?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=585.11" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:45</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Right</span></p><p><span style="color: black">David (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/y7Qs08W1aCYLx71hSTItbAjBuzka8mJjxFNDlv9U3HFR-_5c397rr2W0ujkHBKboC7GTVqVVlyRokO0AYvFH-0l5nz4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=586.22" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:46</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, she said,]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/015-we-wish-we-could-have-grown-up-together]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1585</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/7711be5b-0c02-4555-889b-22103f0b4c99/AwSntXeyc5PPU0GqL7AIfkWN.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 06 Jul 2019 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/13393b1e-d4a3-463e-a160-2146c1c33878/015-david-b2.mp3" length="33317703" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>34:42</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>15</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>15</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>David tried to find his birth mother in the early 90’s in California. He received non-identifying information back then, but it wasn’t much to act on at the time. Later, in 2015, motivated by his wife and his “lifetime sister”, he embarked on an intense collaboration with his adoption search angel Priscilla. Together they discovered his…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>009 – What Doesn’t Kill You Makes You Stronger</title><itunes:title>009 – What Doesn’t Kill You Makes You Stronger</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Mary is 78, but she still has stinging memories of her mother leaving&nbsp;her in another woman’s guardianship. The era was the Great Depression but her mother wanted to go out and have fun without the responsibility of raising In guardianship she was sexually abused, then her guardian blamed her for the economic hardship in that house when the abuser left the home. Mary had grown too independent to reunite with her mother. But&nbsp;despite the trials of her life, she made sure to be the best mother she could possibly be when her children needed her.</p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a></p><p>Mary:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.45" target="_blank"><u>00:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;They would tell me, well, she’s not coming back. And I say, Oh yes, she’s coming. She’s coming to get me. But you know, she didn’t come to get me. So eventually you know you give up and then settling in. But I was devastated. I mean, it just, there’s no other word to describe it.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=27.52" target="_blank"><u>00:27</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=34.64" target="_blank"><u>00:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members? Hey, it’s Damon. And today I was so lucky to talk to one of my own relatives, Mary, she and my biological mother Ann met well before I was able to locate Ann myself, Mary and Ann shared a common interest in, of all things, genealogy. Mary’s story isn’t one of a formal adoption, but being placed into the guardianship of someone else. She was a child during the Great Depression, an extremely challenging time economically and mentally for the health of our country. But Mary’s life challenges were deeply underscored by the upheaval of her family when her mother placed her and her young brother in the guardianship of a stranger. I asked her to tell me about her experiences growing up. I have to warn you, she does describe an abusive experience in her childhood that I suggest you don’t listen to in front of children. Here’s Mary Story. Hello?</p><p>Mary:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=96.98" target="_blank"><u>01:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Hello Damon, how are you?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=100.62" target="_blank"><u>01:40</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I’m very well. How are you doing?</p><p>Mary:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=103.46" target="_blank"><u>01:43</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I’m doing good.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=104.45" target="_blank"><u>01:44</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Excellent. Thanks for calling. How are you feeling?</p><p>Mary:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=107.46" target="_blank"><u>01:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;As well as one can be.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=107.46" target="_blank"><u>01:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. Now tell me, you knew my biological mother, Ann. Help me remember, how did you know her?</p><p>Mary:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=115.91" target="_blank"><u>01:55</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;well she and I both, attended genealogy conference we were sort of sitting next to each other and we started talking about where our family was from and so forth and so on. And we both came to the conclusion that we might be related, but you know.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=140.49" target="_blank"><u>02:20</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(Laughs)</p><p>Mary:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=141.36" target="_blank"><u>02:21</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I’m going to say 10 years later we find out. Yeah, we are related.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=145.65" target="_blank"><u>02:25</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And what was the relation? Do you recall?</p><p>Mary:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=147.54" target="_blank"><u>02:27</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Cousins.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=148.43" target="_blank"><u>02:28</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Through whom?</p><p>Mary:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=149.57" target="_blank"><u>02:29</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;now, it was, my grandfather, his brother, was your great...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary is 78, but she still has stinging memories of her mother leaving&nbsp;her in another woman’s guardianship. The era was the Great Depression but her mother wanted to go out and have fun without the responsibility of raising In guardianship she was sexually abused, then her guardian blamed her for the economic hardship in that house when the abuser left the home. Mary had grown too independent to reunite with her mother. But&nbsp;despite the trials of her life, she made sure to be the best mother she could possibly be when her children needed her.</p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a></p><p>Mary:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.45" target="_blank"><u>00:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;They would tell me, well, she’s not coming back. And I say, Oh yes, she’s coming. She’s coming to get me. But you know, she didn’t come to get me. So eventually you know you give up and then settling in. But I was devastated. I mean, it just, there’s no other word to describe it.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=27.52" target="_blank"><u>00:27</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=34.64" target="_blank"><u>00:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members? Hey, it’s Damon. And today I was so lucky to talk to one of my own relatives, Mary, she and my biological mother Ann met well before I was able to locate Ann myself, Mary and Ann shared a common interest in, of all things, genealogy. Mary’s story isn’t one of a formal adoption, but being placed into the guardianship of someone else. She was a child during the Great Depression, an extremely challenging time economically and mentally for the health of our country. But Mary’s life challenges were deeply underscored by the upheaval of her family when her mother placed her and her young brother in the guardianship of a stranger. I asked her to tell me about her experiences growing up. I have to warn you, she does describe an abusive experience in her childhood that I suggest you don’t listen to in front of children. Here’s Mary Story. Hello?</p><p>Mary:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=96.98" target="_blank"><u>01:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Hello Damon, how are you?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=100.62" target="_blank"><u>01:40</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I’m very well. How are you doing?</p><p>Mary:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=103.46" target="_blank"><u>01:43</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I’m doing good.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=104.45" target="_blank"><u>01:44</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Excellent. Thanks for calling. How are you feeling?</p><p>Mary:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=107.46" target="_blank"><u>01:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;As well as one can be.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=107.46" target="_blank"><u>01:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. Now tell me, you knew my biological mother, Ann. Help me remember, how did you know her?</p><p>Mary:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=115.91" target="_blank"><u>01:55</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;well she and I both, attended genealogy conference we were sort of sitting next to each other and we started talking about where our family was from and so forth and so on. And we both came to the conclusion that we might be related, but you know.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=140.49" target="_blank"><u>02:20</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(Laughs)</p><p>Mary:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=141.36" target="_blank"><u>02:21</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I’m going to say 10 years later we find out. Yeah, we are related.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=145.65" target="_blank"><u>02:25</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And what was the relation? Do you recall?</p><p>Mary:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=147.54" target="_blank"><u>02:27</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Cousins.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=148.43" target="_blank"><u>02:28</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Through whom?</p><p>Mary:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=149.57" target="_blank"><u>02:29</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;now, it was, my grandfather, his brother, was your great grandfather.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=156.06" target="_blank"><u>02:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wow. You know, it’s so interesting to me that you and Ann did genealogy, one just because I know that she began the process well before you could do internet searches for people like you can now. So you know her library background was something that made her a sleuth in tracking down information. But I can’t help but wonder how much of that was just her own pure curiosity for wanting to know about our own history. And then what part of it for her was, because she had released me into the world and there was an adoptee out there that would want to know about her and, and my relatives and I just can’t, I would love to have asked her before she passed, how much she thought my presence in the world fueled her desire to do genealogy versus just her own natural process for wanting to discover herself. So you were adopted yourself, Mary.</p><p>Mary:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=217.68" target="_blank"><u>03:37</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;No I wasn’t actually adopted. My mother, according to what she’s told me and what my guardian has told me, She decided that she could not keep my brother and I it was during the depression and I don’t doubt that she was having a hard time cause she couldn’t hardly find a job. And when you did, it wasn’t paying much, but, and she was still young. She may have been 20 when she gave us up. She still wanted to go out with the girls, you know, that kind of stuff. So she gave us to a guardian with as I’m told, the understanding that she would get us back at one time.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=259.96" target="_blank"><u>04:19</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who was that Guardian to her? To your mother. Do you know what was the relation?</p><p>Mary:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=263.96" target="_blank"><u>04:23</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, she wasn’t related. My mother lived in an apartment building and another lady lived in the apartment building. The other lady that lived in there was the sister to my guardian and my mother said she was asking if she knew someone who would take her kids and keep them and she said, Oh yeah, my sister would love to have them. So that’s how I, that’s how I got from Louisville, Kentucky to Indianapolis.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=294.69" target="_blank"><u>04:54</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Indianapolis is where Your Guardian lived.</p><p>Mary:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=296.84" target="_blank"><u>04:56</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;right. I was either three or four and my brother was two years younger. So that sort of how that transpired.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=305.31" target="_blank"><u>05:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And how was your life in Indianapolis as someone, a child and guardianship by another person?</p><p>Mary:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=314.62" target="_blank"><u>05:14</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, first of all, I was yet, I was too young to really understand what was going on and while my brother fit right in and right off, I was not a happy camper. I cried for days and days and they would tell me, well, she’s not coming back. And I say, Oh yes, she’s coming, she’s coming to get me. But you know, she didn’t come to get me. So eventually you know, you give up and then settle in. But I was devastated. I mean it just, there’s no other word to describe it.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=350.32" target="_blank"><u>05:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I can’t even imagine.</p><p>Mary:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=351.04" target="_blank"><u>05:51</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, I can remember crying days and days and then I would settle down and then I’d start thinking about it and I’d start crying again. She never adopted us. She did put us on welfare just because she could and she could get additional money for doing that</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=372.5" target="_blank"><u>06:12</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;to support you guys.</p><p>Mary:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=374.49" target="_blank"><u>06:14</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She was married at the time that we went to stay with her, but um, he, well, it, it’s no other way to put it. He molested me or he raped me and um, she put him out.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=392.6" target="_blank"><u>06:32</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;How old were you when that happened? I’m sorry to hear that.</p><p>Mary:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=396.29" target="_blank"><u>06:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was still about four or five years old.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-X4uXD2PQjEaXlXoPqYq3JS_y-i3VtpcHfnOPpjhUAcux_iEf1BT2Bl2pLhkTpdb2F4kjU7OsO99J5l80UEFqHgPLDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=399.67"...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/009-what-doesnt-kill-you-makes-you-stronger]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1559</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/45737bc8-7845-4002-8f98-dd0dd0d270ff/nPjw_KSGAfA70dMGvB01xxyy.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 29 Jun 2019 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ab06afa6-3d46-4c38-802e-52af6c7c2b07/009-mary-j-final.mp3" length="27333983" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>28:28</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>9</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>9</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Mary is 78, but she still has stinging memories of her mother leaving her in another woman’s guardianship. The era was the Great Depression but her mother wanted to go out and have fun without the responsibility of raising In guardianship she was sexually abused, then her guardian blamed her for the economic hardship in that…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>022 – I’m Still On This Journey, Using My Experience to Help Others</title><itunes:title>022 – I’m Still On This Journey, Using My Experience to Help Others</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<div>Marni grew up in Madison, WI in a transracial family that lived a predominantly white community. Everywhere they went, they were stared at for the heterogeneity they brought to the community. The attention their family received was a constant reminder of their own racial diversity, but Marni&#8217;s father seemed to have wise and crafty ways to turn the tables to make his own children feel more comfortable. Still, Marni’s family had some internal dysfunction that fed her desire to search for her biological family always wanted to find her biological family.</div>
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			<p>Marni:                          <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=6.13">00:06</a></u>                Maybe, just maybe all of this has led to a place where I am stable emotionally. I&#8217;m okay with talking about everything as it relates to my journey and why not use that as a backbone of strength to give back and help others.</p>
<p>Voices:                         <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=27.22">00:27</a></u>                Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p>
<p>Damon:                        <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.71">00:38</a></u>                This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I&#8217;m Damon Davis and today my guest is Marni. She grew up in Madison, Wisconsin, in a transracial family that lived in a predominantly white community, but everywhere they went, they were stared at, the attention their family received was a constant reminder of their racial diversity, but her father seemed to have wise and crafty ways to turn the tables to make his own children feel more comfortable. Still Marni always wanted to find her biological family, so on her 21st birthday, that&#8217;s exactly what she began to do. Initially, she thought things with her biological mother, were going to be great. But it turned out that her biological father was the one that she truly had a connection with. I asked Marni to tell me what life was like as an adoptee in her family and in her community. Marni recalls her childhood as one challenged by racial identity. Her family was racially diverse in, in Madison, Wisconsin in the 1970s, the kind of racial diversity and integration that her family showed was far from the norm and their families stood out in their community.</p>
<p>Marni:                          <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=113.56">01:53</a></u>                We had a rainbow coalition, if you will, of a family in the early seventies in Madison, Wisconsin, which wasn&#8217;t exactly popular. And although my parents did, I think, everything they could to normalize something that really was not normal by society standards, it was still rough because we would go places and people&#8217;s jaws would drop. My family is, um, pretty into outdoor sporting. Um, for example, camping, canoeing, and in Wisconsin there&#8217;s lovely lakes and forests and such to hike through in the northern part of the state and in the northern part of the state, there&#8217;s no diversity of any kind. And so because that&#8217;s something that our family did recreationally, we spent a lot of time in northern Wisconsin in the summers and such. And there&#8217;s one particular story that I remember when we went into a restaurant, northern Wisconsin and literally walked in and all of the forks just dropped on the plates and everyone stared at us and it was very uncomfortable.</p>
<p>Marni:                          <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=175.57">02:55</a></u>                I was maybe five years old and I just kept looking at my dad to see how he was responding because it was quite frankly a little scary. And we sat down, my dad reassured us it was fine, and everyone just kept staring. And my dad said, look at their shoes, just stare at people&#8217;s shoes. And I thought, okay, if dad says so we&#8217;re going to stare at shoes, so we&#8217;re all staring at people&#8217;s shoes. And one by one, people start kind of out of the corner of their own eyes looking down at their feet. And then we kinda started snickering and, and I, my father never ever said anything about that incident ever again. And it was years later that I realized the brilliance of my father because it was as silly for them to be looking at us as it was silly for us to look at their shoes. And so I use that as an illustrative story because it&#8217;s an example of how my parents very pragmatically took on the world because they decided to take on a colorful family.</p>
<p>Damon:                        <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=232.9">03:52</a></u>                that&#8217;s fascinating. And that is really brilliant, right in the moment saying, you know what, if they want to stare at us, we&#8217;ll stare back at them and we&#8217;ll see who feels sillier. Because the honest truth is you guys are in the world, you can&#8217;t change it. And, and their, you know, lack of exposure to people of color shouldn&#8217;t mean that you guys should feel uncomfortable. That&#8217;s, that was pretty brilliant. Their family structure was really complicated amidst the adoptions. There was also divorce. And remarriage, adding step siblings to the mix. Siblings will always have some kind of rivalry with one another, but Marni experienced racism even within the sibling structure.</p>
<p>Marni:                          <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=268.14">04:28</a></u>                One of my older sisters who is also biracial, black, white, but she is much darker complected than I am. She taunted me for my entire childhood and and would often times make comments about the fact that I was so fair complected and make up rhymes and stories and jingles about how fair complected I was, like to the point where I would blend into snow. And it&#8217;s interesting because I didn&#8217;t really get that racism like the black on black hate race stuff until much later in life. When I went to Howard University and it was, I think that it really came out of the fact that when we would go places as a whole unit, we were obviously different. But if I went some place with my parents, independent of my black siblings, I was treated completely differently and my sister knew that and she saw that, from afar. And you know, like going into restaurants when we were teenagers and my older brother and sister who are darker complected, the host is not even recognizing that they&#8217;re with us and wanting to seat them separately as if they&#8217;re a couple. And so my sister just resented me so much because I was the other black kid, but yet I got treated differently.</p>
<p>Damon:                        <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=341.54">05:41</a></u>                Mhm. Wow.</p>
<p>Marni:                          <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=342.14">05:42</a></u>                And then honestly I just, I&#8217;d have to own and admit that I used that to my advantage.</p>
<p>Damon:                        <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=347.211">05:47</a></u>                In what way?</p>
<p>Marni:                          <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=348.59">05:48</a></u>                because I, well I use it in the advantage of being able to fit in socially growing up because sometimes I just got really sick of the fact that we always had questions and stares and everywhere we went it was always, you know, why is your hair like that? Or is, how can that be your sister? That&#8217;s not really your brother. And if I could escape being around the different looking family structure, then I definitely would use it for my advantage to, to hang out with different kinds of peer groups. Like all white</p>
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			<p>Marni:                          <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=6.13">00:06</a></u>                Maybe, just maybe all of this has led to a place where I am stable emotionally. I&#8217;m okay with talking about everything as it relates to my journey and why not use that as a backbone of strength to give back and help others.</p>
<p>Voices:                         <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=27.22">00:27</a></u>                Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p>
<p>Damon:                        <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.71">00:38</a></u>                This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I&#8217;m Damon Davis and today my guest is Marni. She grew up in Madison, Wisconsin, in a transracial family that lived in a predominantly white community, but everywhere they went, they were stared at, the attention their family received was a constant reminder of their racial diversity, but her father seemed to have wise and crafty ways to turn the tables to make his own children feel more comfortable. Still Marni always wanted to find her biological family, so on her 21st birthday, that&#8217;s exactly what she began to do. Initially, she thought things with her biological mother, were going to be great. But it turned out that her biological father was the one that she truly had a connection with. I asked Marni to tell me what life was like as an adoptee in her family and in her community. Marni recalls her childhood as one challenged by racial identity. Her family was racially diverse in, in Madison, Wisconsin in the 1970s, the kind of racial diversity and integration that her family showed was far from the norm and their families stood out in their community.</p>
<p>Marni:                          <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=113.56">01:53</a></u>                We had a rainbow coalition, if you will, of a family in the early seventies in Madison, Wisconsin, which wasn&#8217;t exactly popular. And although my parents did, I think, everything they could to normalize something that really was not normal by society standards, it was still rough because we would go places and people&#8217;s jaws would drop. My family is, um, pretty into outdoor sporting. Um, for example, camping, canoeing, and in Wisconsin there&#8217;s lovely lakes and forests and such to hike through in the northern part of the state and in the northern part of the state, there&#8217;s no diversity of any kind. And so because that&#8217;s something that our family did recreationally, we spent a lot of time in northern Wisconsin in the summers and such. And there&#8217;s one particular story that I remember when we went into a restaurant, northern Wisconsin and literally walked in and all of the forks just dropped on the plates and everyone stared at us and it was very uncomfortable.</p>
<p>Marni:                          <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=175.57">02:55</a></u>                I was maybe five years old and I just kept looking at my dad to see how he was responding because it was quite frankly a little scary. And we sat down, my dad reassured us it was fine, and everyone just kept staring. And my dad said, look at their shoes, just stare at people&#8217;s shoes. And I thought, okay, if dad says so we&#8217;re going to stare at shoes, so we&#8217;re all staring at people&#8217;s shoes. And one by one, people start kind of out of the corner of their own eyes looking down at their feet. And then we kinda started snickering and, and I, my father never ever said anything about that incident ever again. And it was years later that I realized the brilliance of my father because it was as silly for them to be looking at us as it was silly for us to look at their shoes. And so I use that as an illustrative story because it&#8217;s an example of how my parents very pragmatically took on the world because they decided to take on a colorful family.</p>
<p>Damon:                        <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=232.9">03:52</a></u>                that&#8217;s fascinating. And that is really brilliant, right in the moment saying, you know what, if they want to stare at us, we&#8217;ll stare back at them and we&#8217;ll see who feels sillier. Because the honest truth is you guys are in the world, you can&#8217;t change it. And, and their, you know, lack of exposure to people of color shouldn&#8217;t mean that you guys should feel uncomfortable. That&#8217;s, that was pretty brilliant. Their family structure was really complicated amidst the adoptions. There was also divorce. And remarriage, adding step siblings to the mix. Siblings will always have some kind of rivalry with one another, but Marni experienced racism even within the sibling structure.</p>
<p>Marni:                          <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=268.14">04:28</a></u>                One of my older sisters who is also biracial, black, white, but she is much darker complected than I am. She taunted me for my entire childhood and and would often times make comments about the fact that I was so fair complected and make up rhymes and stories and jingles about how fair complected I was, like to the point where I would blend into snow. And it&#8217;s interesting because I didn&#8217;t really get that racism like the black on black hate race stuff until much later in life. When I went to Howard University and it was, I think that it really came out of the fact that when we would go places as a whole unit, we were obviously different. But if I went some place with my parents, independent of my black siblings, I was treated completely differently and my sister knew that and she saw that, from afar. And you know, like going into restaurants when we were teenagers and my older brother and sister who are darker complected, the host is not even recognizing that they&#8217;re with us and wanting to seat them separately as if they&#8217;re a couple. And so my sister just resented me so much because I was the other black kid, but yet I got treated differently.</p>
<p>Damon:                        <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=341.54">05:41</a></u>                Mhm. Wow.</p>
<p>Marni:                          <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=342.14">05:42</a></u>                And then honestly I just, I&#8217;d have to own and admit that I used that to my advantage.</p>
<p>Damon:                        <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=347.211">05:47</a></u>                In what way?</p>
<p>Marni:                          <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=348.59">05:48</a></u>                because I, well I use it in the advantage of being able to fit in socially growing up because sometimes I just got really sick of the fact that we always had questions and stares and everywhere we went it was always, you know, why is your hair like that? Or is, how can that be your sister? That&#8217;s not really your brother. And if I could escape being around the different looking family structure, then I definitely would use it for my advantage to, to hang out with different kinds of peer groups. Like all white</p>
<p>Damon:                        <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=377.47">06:17</a></u>                Yeah. There&#8217;s an element of all of us that just wants to fit in and to the extent that you can escape sort of being ostracized for especially something that&#8217;s visual to other people and just be and feel normal for a while. I could certainly understand why you would want to, you know, exercise a little escapism and tried to get away from that. So you were probably always in a position of feeling both a, what I assume is a black and a white side and probably trying to identify with two communities. All be it challenge to be identified in the black community, in you know, a predominantly white society. It must have been really hard for you to make that, that navigation back and forth between, you know, two separate cultures while living in a house that had two separate cultures as well.</p>
<p>Marni:                          <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=429.01">07:09</a></u>                It was almost impossible to find any black identity within my upbringing. And it&#8217;s interesting because as much as I would try to escape it to fit in into my very white community, I then chose to go to Howard University because when I visited Howard at the age of 18, when I was a senior in high school, I was absolutely bewildered by the fact that there were, there was like an entire University of people just like me. I never even knew that that existed. And I knew that I had to go to Howard in order to have an opportunity to fully submerge myself in a black culture for four years. Okay. It was five years. To be able to get in touch with my black side because I knew if I didn&#8217;t take the opportunity then that opportunity would not present itself again in my life.</p>
<p>Damon:                        <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=472.43">07:52</a></u>                And did the racial struggle in your life sort of propel you, was that one of the propellers for wanting to find your biological family?</p>
<p>Marni:                          <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=479.45">07:59</a></u>                It was. It absolutely was. Um, and also I, there was, there were a lot of challenges with my siblings as well. I mean, like I, one of my brothers, um, he spent most of his adult life in and out of prison. Um, because he was so challenged being black, being adopted by a white family in Wisconsin, just not fitting in, just always getting into trouble. I mean he had a lot of psychological damage prior to being adopted and my sister had a tremendous amount of, of psychological problems. She was actually removed from our home in seventh grade and bounced in and out of group homes because my mom couldn&#8217;t control her behavior anymore.</p>
<p>Damon:                        <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=519.24">08:39</a></u>                This is the sister that was challenging your racial identity?</p>
<p>Marni:                          <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=522.4">08:42</a></u>                Yes, and I just really felt like, wow, you know, this is a really dysfunctional household and I want to find my real family cause I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;re completely perfect.</p>
<p>Damon:                        <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=532.63">08:52</a></u>                I wondered with all of the racial in their home, how did Marni&#8217;s parents make her feel comfortable as an adoptee? Her mother made sure she never felt like her adoption was an alternative to anything else. And their family tried to connect with other families like themselves.</p>
<p>Marni:                          <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=548.69">09:08</a></u>                Well, I think there&#8217;s two things. One is as, as any natural child&#8217;s curiosity would, would prompt them to, I would often ask, why did you adopt kids instead of having your own? And My mother would always say, well, why would I have biological children when I have you? And I&#8217;d be like, oh, that&#8217;s not the right answer! Like I want know, like, why did you really do this? But she would never get into that with me. And I think that that&#8217;s interesting because she just wanted to take that out of the equation of, you know, you were like the second choice or the backup plan or something, which is what I think is. But then the other thing is by, my parents were part of something called the Wisconsin Open door society. And, and that was a, I mean that it no longer exists, but they were one of a few chapters around the country, um, have a national chapter called the open door society.</p>
<p>Marni:                          <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=597.53">09:57</a></u>                And it was, it&#8217;s all a white parents who adopted either across racial lines or children with physical or cognitive challenges. And so we would get together with say 50 or 60 other families that look like ours, about four times a year for the weekend we&#8217;d, we&#8217;d go on camping retreats, things like that, that in some ways normalized our being adopted because at least we had the visual a couple times a year of other people like us. I&#8217;m just so grateful that they got themselves involved in this organization and I do have really profound, um, experiences with that group. And, and I think absent of that, I can&#8217;t imagine how twisted I may have become.</p>
<p>Damon:                        <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=638.19">10:38</a></u>                Yeah. Yeah. That sounds like they were able to locate and really connect with a community that was something that you all could identify with. Tell me a little bit about how you finally reached a moment where you decided that you were going to seek out your biological relatives. How did that go?</p>
<p>Marni:                          <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=655.69">10:55</a></u>                Well, I always wanted to, since I had conscious thought I was heck been on, I&#8217;m finding my biological family. And so I then learned, I was adopted through the state of Wisconsin and the state law was such that you could not search for your parents until you&#8217;re the age of 21 so I think on my 21st birthday I fill out the application and sent it in. And then they said to me that it&#8217;s about a two year wait to search because they&#8217;re just, they&#8217;re understaffed and underfunded in that particular office. So I waited the two years and almost two years to the date I got a call and they said, okay, we&#8217;re ready to start your search. And it was going to be $100 an hour to do the search. So I at the time was, I&#8217;m a senior at Howard University, so you know, $100 was like $1 million.</p>
<p>Marni:                          <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=698.41">11:38</a></u>                But I went through the coat pockets and cushions on the sofa and found, you know, $100, sent it off and then it took two hours of search and then they called me and they said, okay, we&#8217;ve got your mother&#8217;s name. Cause I only searched for, for my mother at, at first, because it was $100 an hour per search. Um, and I thought, well, if I can find the mother, then hopefully she can tie me to the father. So in Wisconsin, the child always has the right to privacy. And so what happens is the state then goes to the records, they find her, they located her they contacted her, asked her permission to give her contact information to me, um, which she granted, and then it still lies on the child. So if I had received that information and still decided, oh no, I&#8217;m, I&#8217;m chickening out, I don&#8217;t want to find her, I would always be protected. So then the onus is on me to make that call to her.</p>
<p>Damon:                        <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/bTCf0yIB3mZz5IOFJIca6LvVBnLDfTMyvgCyN9WEVKlGCsWk6rhy-RSF_B9nr8HwCy5geLWxhhcJP9-aFjuwS0q3SKI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=748.78">12:28</a></u>                So the state representative tells Marni that her biological mother has visited their office and she&#8217;s excited to meet Marni. Marni was a senior in college living with several other girls when she got the news.</p>
<p>Marni:                          <u><a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/022-im-still-on-this-journey-using-my-experience-to-help-others]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1693</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 22 Jun 2019 07:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/527f7d86-9f4e-4e8c-90d2-86a8784529fe/022-marni-b-.mp3" length="49545426" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>34:24</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>22</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>22</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Marni grew up in Madison, WI in a transracial family that lived a predominantly white community. Everywhere they went, they were stared at for the heterogeneity they brought to the community. The attention their family received was a constant reminder of their own racial diversity, but Marni’s father seemed to have wise and crafty ways to turn the tables to…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>028 – Working Out The Puzzle Pieces Helped Me Feel Whole</title><itunes:title>028 – Working Out The Puzzle Pieces Helped Me Feel Whole</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Elise has always been into genealogy and loved looking at family photos &amp; records when she was a child. As a child of adoption, she wondered where her family of origin was? Reunion has had its ups and downs for Elise. The experience with her&nbsp;birth father’s family has been great&nbsp;over the last 20 years. She’s used her genealogy skills to solve a mystery about her paternal grandfather.&nbsp;Elise keeps a door open for communication if her mother or maternal family want contact, yet she understands and accepts that her mother may not be in a position to have a relationship.</p><p>Elise says, “I am so appreciative of my journey, the good and the bad parts because getting to work out some of the puzzle pieces of my story and my paternal grandfather’s has been a gift and has helped me have a better sense of self and wholeness.”</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><a href=\"#\" target=\"_blank\">Read Full Transcript</a>Elise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=0.47\" target=\"_blank\"><u>00:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I will say the most important thing I found out about after meeting both of them is that you can truly appreciate having the entire puzzle put together because I could totally see like what I got from my mom and dad and what I received from my mother and father and you can appreciate what came from the nature side and what came from the nurture side.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.35\" target=\"_blank\"><u>00:30</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=41.73\" target=\"_blank\"><u>00:41</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Elise from Minnesota. She always wanted to search for her birth family and her interest in genealogy from a young age turned into a life’s passion to support adoptees after she found her own parents. After years of searching, Elise found her birth mother who located her birth father for her almost immediately. The reunion started off really well, but then it stalled when her mother closed the door. Thankfully her father still wanted to know his daughter and they fostered a long distance relationship before meeting in person. He told Elise that she had paternal roots in Fargo, North Dakota, but trying to connect to those roots revealed they had originated hundreds of miles away at a place, Elise was very familiar with, here’s Elise’s journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=99.25\" target=\"_blank\"><u>01:39</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Elise had one younger brother in her family, whom she remembers bringing home when he was adopted too. They had a large extended family with 16 first cousins. They were all so close in age they seemed almost like siblings. As time marched on, they grew up and had families of their own and over time it became more obvious how biological families kind of look and act similarly to one another, but Elise says she had an innate curiosity about the differences in herself and her family and the ultimate question of what she learned from them that had shaped her and what traits have been passed down to her.</p><p>Elise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=133.35\" target=\"_blank\"><u>02:13</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I always from a very early age, wanted to know where I came from, like what was the connection? How did I fit into the world? You know, that whole did you pop out down from a spaceship kind of thing?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=143.77\" target=\"_blank\"><u>02:23</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. Yeah. What kinds of things did you think about when you wanted to know more about yourself?</p><p>Elise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=148.31\" target=\"_blank\"><u>02:28</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Um, I didn’t really look like a lot of people in my family because most of the people in my family could go to the beach and not fry. I would go to the beach and turn into a lobster. So you know, I wanted to, and I kind of just wanted to know like where, you know, my interest came from and my personality and you know, what was nature and what was nurture and just where did l come from?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=170.61\" target=\"_blank\"><u>02:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. Yeah. I could imagine. You had one younger sibling who was also adopted. Did you guys talk about adoption at all as you got a little older?</p><p>Elise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=180.03\" target=\"_blank\"><u>03:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;my parents and I talked about adoption a lot. My brother never really, I mean every once in a while he would talk about it, but it wasn’t, he and I didn’t talk about it a lot. I spoke about adoption with, I had some cousins that were very close in age to where I am and you know, I would speak to them about it.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=199.04\" target=\"_blank\"><u>03:19</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And did they get it? Did they understand it? Did you fit in with them? Were they at arms length? What did you get from them?</p><p>Elise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=206.14\" target=\"_blank\"><u>03:26</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;No, we were, we were very close growing up. I mean most people in the town where we grew up, some people thought that my cousins were like my brothers, they didn’t, they were like, oh wait, are you brothers or cousins? Like how are you all connected? Because we were always together because there was this whole little clump of kids in the same age group. I’ve always wanted to search. I always knew I was going to search, but it wasn’t until like my older cousins started getting married and having children. And then you could see like how everything fit in their family. You could see like my grandparents and their parents and then my cousins and then their children. And you could kind of see how they all fit. And I was like, wait a second, where’s my fit? You know, and not taking anything away from my adoptive]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elise has always been into genealogy and loved looking at family photos &amp; records when she was a child. As a child of adoption, she wondered where her family of origin was? Reunion has had its ups and downs for Elise. The experience with her&nbsp;birth father’s family has been great&nbsp;over the last 20 years. She’s used her genealogy skills to solve a mystery about her paternal grandfather.&nbsp;Elise keeps a door open for communication if her mother or maternal family want contact, yet she understands and accepts that her mother may not be in a position to have a relationship.</p><p>Elise says, “I am so appreciative of my journey, the good and the bad parts because getting to work out some of the puzzle pieces of my story and my paternal grandfather’s has been a gift and has helped me have a better sense of self and wholeness.”</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><a href=\"#\" target=\"_blank\">Read Full Transcript</a>Elise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=0.47\" target=\"_blank\"><u>00:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I will say the most important thing I found out about after meeting both of them is that you can truly appreciate having the entire puzzle put together because I could totally see like what I got from my mom and dad and what I received from my mother and father and you can appreciate what came from the nature side and what came from the nurture side.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.35\" target=\"_blank\"><u>00:30</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=41.73\" target=\"_blank\"><u>00:41</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Elise from Minnesota. She always wanted to search for her birth family and her interest in genealogy from a young age turned into a life’s passion to support adoptees after she found her own parents. After years of searching, Elise found her birth mother who located her birth father for her almost immediately. The reunion started off really well, but then it stalled when her mother closed the door. Thankfully her father still wanted to know his daughter and they fostered a long distance relationship before meeting in person. He told Elise that she had paternal roots in Fargo, North Dakota, but trying to connect to those roots revealed they had originated hundreds of miles away at a place, Elise was very familiar with, here’s Elise’s journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=99.25\" target=\"_blank\"><u>01:39</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Elise had one younger brother in her family, whom she remembers bringing home when he was adopted too. They had a large extended family with 16 first cousins. They were all so close in age they seemed almost like siblings. As time marched on, they grew up and had families of their own and over time it became more obvious how biological families kind of look and act similarly to one another, but Elise says she had an innate curiosity about the differences in herself and her family and the ultimate question of what she learned from them that had shaped her and what traits have been passed down to her.</p><p>Elise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=133.35\" target=\"_blank\"><u>02:13</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I always from a very early age, wanted to know where I came from, like what was the connection? How did I fit into the world? You know, that whole did you pop out down from a spaceship kind of thing?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=143.77\" target=\"_blank\"><u>02:23</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. Yeah. What kinds of things did you think about when you wanted to know more about yourself?</p><p>Elise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=148.31\" target=\"_blank\"><u>02:28</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Um, I didn’t really look like a lot of people in my family because most of the people in my family could go to the beach and not fry. I would go to the beach and turn into a lobster. So you know, I wanted to, and I kind of just wanted to know like where, you know, my interest came from and my personality and you know, what was nature and what was nurture and just where did l come from?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=170.61\" target=\"_blank\"><u>02:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. Yeah. I could imagine. You had one younger sibling who was also adopted. Did you guys talk about adoption at all as you got a little older?</p><p>Elise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=180.03\" target=\"_blank\"><u>03:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;my parents and I talked about adoption a lot. My brother never really, I mean every once in a while he would talk about it, but it wasn’t, he and I didn’t talk about it a lot. I spoke about adoption with, I had some cousins that were very close in age to where I am and you know, I would speak to them about it.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=199.04\" target=\"_blank\"><u>03:19</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And did they get it? Did they understand it? Did you fit in with them? Were they at arms length? What did you get from them?</p><p>Elise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=206.14\" target=\"_blank\"><u>03:26</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;No, we were, we were very close growing up. I mean most people in the town where we grew up, some people thought that my cousins were like my brothers, they didn’t, they were like, oh wait, are you brothers or cousins? Like how are you all connected? Because we were always together because there was this whole little clump of kids in the same age group. I’ve always wanted to search. I always knew I was going to search, but it wasn’t until like my older cousins started getting married and having children. And then you could see like how everything fit in their family. You could see like my grandparents and their parents and then my cousins and then their children. And you could kind of see how they all fit. And I was like, wait a second, where’s my fit? You know, and not taking anything away from my adoptive family because I’m very close to them, but you could just kind of see like at Christmas I was, I love photography and I would go around and take pictures of everyone and the kids and the grandchildren, the great grandchildren and it was like wow. Like they all look alike. They all have, you know, the same giggle or the same quirks or whatever it is, mannerisms and that kind of thing.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=271.02\" target=\"_blank\"><u>04:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;In high school in the mid 1980s Elise’s parents decided they were going to help her accumulate some information about her adoption. They wrote a letter to the adoption agency which sent back her non identifying information. The Info she received was very brief, so she really had to be an investigator on her own to get some answers. She signed up with every adoption assistive resource and registry she could find. She also joined support groups for adoptees to learn more about the perspectives of birth parents and other adoptees.</p><p>Elise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=302.92\" target=\"_blank\"><u>05:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You know, this was way back in the days where you would have to go to the library and check out all the books about adoption and searching. Spread them out on your apartment floor, your dorm room floor, and figure out how to do it. You know, signing up with all the databases and, ALMA, there was adoption crossroads in New York. I mean there’s just all these places. Like anywhere I could possibly sign up, I signed up and I just kind of kept plugging along and there wasn’t really a lot of information.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=331.57\" target=\"_blank\"><u>05:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It sounds like you signed up across the board nationwide no matter what the geography of it was.</p><p>Elise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=338.56\" target=\"_blank\"><u>05:38</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;the interesting thing about it is I, when I got the non identifying, it said that both of my parents were from the state I was born in and I knew in my gut that wasn’t true. I had no idea where they were from, but I knew they weren’t from the state where I was born.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=353.62\" target=\"_blank\"><u>05:53</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That’s fascinating. Really.</p><p>Elise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=354.94\" target=\"_blank\"><u>05:54</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Mine were from both coasts.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=357.08\" target=\"_blank\"><u>05:57</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So your gut was right?</p><p>Elise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=358.79\" target=\"_blank\"><u>05:58</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, completely.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=359.91\" target=\"_blank\"><u>05:59</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That is really fascinating. Wow. 11 years later in the mid 1990s she was able to get a last name to work with, but it was a very common name. So it didn’t help very much in Elise’s research, so Elise recruited professional assistance. She hired a private investigator to advance her search. However, her story should serve as a warning to be on guard against people that might take advantage of your need for more information along your journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=386.07\" target=\"_blank\"><u>06:26</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;11 years. It took you just to get a name. How did you get the name at that point?</p><p>Elise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=390.23\" target=\"_blank\"><u>06:30</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, there’s a loop here in our state where you can sometimes petition a judge. Now, no one I had ever known had gotten a judge to give over the last name, but I was living outside the state and I used to lawyer outside the state to petition the court. And for whatever reason the judge sent that last name back. No other information. It just said your mother’s name is, and it was her maiden name.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=415.44\" target=\"_blank\"><u>06:55</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wow. Fascinating.</p><p>Elise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=417.24\" target=\"_blank\"><u>06:57</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And it was a very common name, so it took another, I think it took about nine years, eight or nine years to get that. And then another three years of searching before we figured out who exactly she was.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=429.75\" target=\"_blank\"><u>07:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So how did you find her?</p><p>Elise:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/4Qtm1wxtMKrmCtmv89M5sekzGfWrPmSHvnF3N83c2dgc2c7eHMlBPwV40o_AuYLRb2vBEN7vvQlLNJ936cjWMZUZ0Eo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=431.31\" target=\"_blank\"><u>07:11</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I ended up having to pay someone, which is not my...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/028-working-out-the-puzzle-pieces-helped-me-feel-whole]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1708</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2019 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ac282c9b-ed89-4339-8e73-1f3e9a79c7d1/028-eise-l-final.mp3" length="38914943" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>40:32</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>28</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>28</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Elise has always been into genealogy and loved looking at family photos &amp; records when she was a child. As a child of adoption, she wondered where her family of origin was? Reunion has had its ups and downs for Elise. The experience with her birth father’s family has been great over the last 20 years. She’s…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>011 – From Childhood Rebellion to Thankful Reunion</title><itunes:title>011 – From Childhood Rebellion to Thankful Reunion</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>When Sean was a kid, he found out he was adopted. That news created some conflict in him and challenged his identity. He began to rebel against his adopted parents, but some sage wisdom from his grandmother quickly set him straight. Sean returned to loving and appreciating the family he was a part of, but his desire to understand his identity never left. Older and married to his high school sweetheart, Sean&#8217;s family began to grow. He said that seeing his world in his oldest daughter&#8217;s eyes made him even more sensitive to his biological mother&#8217;s tough choice to let him go. After Sean finally mailed his introductory letter to his biological mother, which he had re-drafted several times over the years, he was finally able to reunite with her. He learned some of the ways that he&#8217;s just like his mother, and how one of his childhood sports heroes is actually his cousin!</p>
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<p>Sean:                            <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.46">00:03</a></u>                It wasn&#8217;t until Macy was born and you know for any first time father to look in the eyes of his child and I realized right then like at some stage, not so long ago, someone looked in my eyes when this happened to them and I thought, you know, where is she? And I thought for the first time, like as a parent like they had, there must&#8217;ve been a lot of pain to say goodbye.</p>
<p>Speaker 3:                    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=29.9">00:29</a></u>                Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p>
<p>New Speaker:               <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=41.3">00:41</a></u>                This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members? Hey, it&#8217;s Damon today. I have the pleasure of introducing you to Sean as a kid. When he found out he was adopted, he created some conflict in him and challenged his identity. But some sage wisdom from one of the elders in his family set him straight again so that he could return to loving and appreciating the family he was already a part of. When he got a little older, married his high school sweetheart and their family began to grow. So did his curiosity about his biological mother&#8217;s experience, giving birth to him and relinquishing him to adoption. You&#8217;ll hear Shawn talk about connecting to his mother brothers and how he feels fortunate to have had the opportunity to say thank you for the life he leads.</p>
<p>Damon:                        <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=89.2">01:29</a></u>                You and I talked quite a while ago about your story. Um, and I&#8217;d love to hear some of the details about how, how you grew up as an adoptee. Tell me about your, your family, your family structure when you found out you&#8217;re an adoptee and what it was like being an adoptee in your community.</p>
<p>Sean:                            <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=107.91">01:47</a></u>                Sure. Uh, well, you know, uh, it&#8217;s kind of a funny story. Well, at least I&#8217;m able to laugh now, but you know, this whole journey for me started in the first grade when I, uh, I&#8217;ve found out what adopted meant about a year prior that my, my parents told me that I was adopted. They just didn&#8217;t fill in all the blanks for me. They didn&#8217;t really tell me what it meant except that I was special and I was chosen and you know, I was loved and all of that, you know, I just didn&#8217;t register with me that that&#8217;s anything other than it than an incredible thing. And Man, I&#8217;m, I&#8217;m like great special kid. Unfortunately the guy that filled in the gaps for me was a bully on the playground. And when he was a beaten me out on the playground, I asked him to back off because I was adopted and it was special and chosen and loved and welcome.</p>
<p>Sean:                            <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=154.89">02:34</a></u>                And luckily he did stop for a moment and he said, what do you mean you&#8217;re done? Like your parents didn&#8217;t want here, they gave you when I said, no, no, that&#8217;s not what it means. And he said, yes it is. And the kids kind of chimed in and laughed and you know, I wound up in the principal&#8217;s office and in a small town that I was in, my dad was a bank manager and the principal&#8217;s like, hey, Sean fighting is one thing on the playground. But you know, telling stories lying like that, saying that you&#8217;re adopted son other. And he told me what it meant and he did. I didn&#8217;t believe that that&#8217;s what they actually meant by that. And I wound up running home at lunch. I live like half a mile from the school and my mom was there and I said, I am confused and crying.</p>
<p>Sean:                            <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=194.25">03:14</a></u>                And she said, I better call your dad to come home from work. And I knew in that moment what they really meant and uh, it was a start of a rough couple of years, you know, and just trying to reconcile all of that. But anyhow, you know, the, the structure was a, I was, I was adopted by two wonderful parents who had already had two children on their own, had believed that they couldn&#8217;t have any more kids. They wanted to have a son, have another child. And they adopted me when I was a three or four months old. And I, uh, grew up about five hours, four hours from where I was born in a, in a house full of love. Um, turned out my mother could have other kids cause I have a younger sister.</p>
<p>Damon:                        <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=234.81">03:54</a></u>                So you haven&#8217;t read biological siblings then?</p>
<p>Sean:                            <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=237.25">03:57</a></u>                I do. Yeah.</p>
<p>Damon:                        <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=239.8">03:59</a></u>                And you&#8217;re in between them.</p>
<p>Sean:                            <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=240.07">04:00</a></u>                That&#8217;s right. Yeah. Second youngest wonderful family gave me everything I could have asked for more. You know, that that&#8217;s with all the things you&#8217;d expect and life experiences and guidance and love and everything else. So I consider myself very fortunate.</p>
<p>Damon:                        <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=256.32">04:16</a></u>                Yeah. So you found out pretty young that you were adopted. I&#8217;m curious to know how did that at all affect your relationship to your siblings? You know, did you make the connection that you were now somehow different from them even at that young age?</p>
<p>Sean:                            <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=272.44">04:32</a></u>                Well, you know, the, the connection with my sisters, even at that young age, I, I recognize that up to that point and then during that tough time where I was really trying to reconcile what was going on, like those three girls never treated me as anything less than full and equal member of the family. There was never any inkling before, during or after, you know, that I wasn&#8217;t one of them. Um, the disconnect for awhile was with my adoptive parents, which as a, as a young kid, immature and trying to deal with something difficult, you know, I resorted to calling them by their surnames, you know, Mister and misses and um, and had a really hard time reconciling what I considered a lie. You know, they, they hadn&#8217;t been truthful with me and I was also like many adopted kids confused as to how anybody could have given up on me. Um, and it, and none of it made sense.</p>
<p>Damon:                        <u><a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Sean was a kid, he found out he was adopted. That news created some conflict in him and challenged his identity. He began to rebel against his adopted parents, but some sage wisdom from his grandmother quickly set him straight. Sean returned to loving and appreciating the family he was a part of, but his desire to understand his identity never left. Older and married to his high school sweetheart, Sean&#8217;s family began to grow. He said that seeing his world in his oldest daughter&#8217;s eyes made him even more sensitive to his biological mother&#8217;s tough choice to let him go. After Sean finally mailed his introductory letter to his biological mother, which he had re-drafted several times over the years, he was finally able to reunite with her. He learned some of the ways that he&#8217;s just like his mother, and how one of his childhood sports heroes is actually his cousin!</p>
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<p>Sean:                            <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.46">00:03</a></u>                It wasn&#8217;t until Macy was born and you know for any first time father to look in the eyes of his child and I realized right then like at some stage, not so long ago, someone looked in my eyes when this happened to them and I thought, you know, where is she? And I thought for the first time, like as a parent like they had, there must&#8217;ve been a lot of pain to say goodbye.</p>
<p>Speaker 3:                    <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=29.9">00:29</a></u>                Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p>
<p>New Speaker:               <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=41.3">00:41</a></u>                This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members? Hey, it&#8217;s Damon today. I have the pleasure of introducing you to Sean as a kid. When he found out he was adopted, he created some conflict in him and challenged his identity. But some sage wisdom from one of the elders in his family set him straight again so that he could return to loving and appreciating the family he was already a part of. When he got a little older, married his high school sweetheart and their family began to grow. So did his curiosity about his biological mother&#8217;s experience, giving birth to him and relinquishing him to adoption. You&#8217;ll hear Shawn talk about connecting to his mother brothers and how he feels fortunate to have had the opportunity to say thank you for the life he leads.</p>
<p>Damon:                        <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=89.2">01:29</a></u>                You and I talked quite a while ago about your story. Um, and I&#8217;d love to hear some of the details about how, how you grew up as an adoptee. Tell me about your, your family, your family structure when you found out you&#8217;re an adoptee and what it was like being an adoptee in your community.</p>
<p>Sean:                            <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=107.91">01:47</a></u>                Sure. Uh, well, you know, uh, it&#8217;s kind of a funny story. Well, at least I&#8217;m able to laugh now, but you know, this whole journey for me started in the first grade when I, uh, I&#8217;ve found out what adopted meant about a year prior that my, my parents told me that I was adopted. They just didn&#8217;t fill in all the blanks for me. They didn&#8217;t really tell me what it meant except that I was special and I was chosen and you know, I was loved and all of that, you know, I just didn&#8217;t register with me that that&#8217;s anything other than it than an incredible thing. And Man, I&#8217;m, I&#8217;m like great special kid. Unfortunately the guy that filled in the gaps for me was a bully on the playground. And when he was a beaten me out on the playground, I asked him to back off because I was adopted and it was special and chosen and loved and welcome.</p>
<p>Sean:                            <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=154.89">02:34</a></u>                And luckily he did stop for a moment and he said, what do you mean you&#8217;re done? Like your parents didn&#8217;t want here, they gave you when I said, no, no, that&#8217;s not what it means. And he said, yes it is. And the kids kind of chimed in and laughed and you know, I wound up in the principal&#8217;s office and in a small town that I was in, my dad was a bank manager and the principal&#8217;s like, hey, Sean fighting is one thing on the playground. But you know, telling stories lying like that, saying that you&#8217;re adopted son other. And he told me what it meant and he did. I didn&#8217;t believe that that&#8217;s what they actually meant by that. And I wound up running home at lunch. I live like half a mile from the school and my mom was there and I said, I am confused and crying.</p>
<p>Sean:                            <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=194.25">03:14</a></u>                And she said, I better call your dad to come home from work. And I knew in that moment what they really meant and uh, it was a start of a rough couple of years, you know, and just trying to reconcile all of that. But anyhow, you know, the, the structure was a, I was, I was adopted by two wonderful parents who had already had two children on their own, had believed that they couldn&#8217;t have any more kids. They wanted to have a son, have another child. And they adopted me when I was a three or four months old. And I, uh, grew up about five hours, four hours from where I was born in a, in a house full of love. Um, turned out my mother could have other kids cause I have a younger sister.</p>
<p>Damon:                        <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=234.81">03:54</a></u>                So you haven&#8217;t read biological siblings then?</p>
<p>Sean:                            <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=237.25">03:57</a></u>                I do. Yeah.</p>
<p>Damon:                        <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=239.8">03:59</a></u>                And you&#8217;re in between them.</p>
<p>Sean:                            <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=240.07">04:00</a></u>                That&#8217;s right. Yeah. Second youngest wonderful family gave me everything I could have asked for more. You know, that that&#8217;s with all the things you&#8217;d expect and life experiences and guidance and love and everything else. So I consider myself very fortunate.</p>
<p>Damon:                        <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=256.32">04:16</a></u>                Yeah. So you found out pretty young that you were adopted. I&#8217;m curious to know how did that at all affect your relationship to your siblings? You know, did you make the connection that you were now somehow different from them even at that young age?</p>
<p>Sean:                            <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=272.44">04:32</a></u>                Well, you know, the, the connection with my sisters, even at that young age, I, I recognize that up to that point and then during that tough time where I was really trying to reconcile what was going on, like those three girls never treated me as anything less than full and equal member of the family. There was never any inkling before, during or after, you know, that I wasn&#8217;t one of them. Um, the disconnect for awhile was with my adoptive parents, which as a, as a young kid, immature and trying to deal with something difficult, you know, I resorted to calling them by their surnames, you know, Mister and misses and um, and had a really hard time reconciling what I considered a lie. You know, they, they hadn&#8217;t been truthful with me and I was also like many adopted kids confused as to how anybody could have given up on me. Um, and it, and none of it made sense.</p>
<p>Damon:                        <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=329.26">05:29</a></u>                Yeah. You had some of that inner confusion, some of that anger that can be prevalent in young boys no matter what the situation is. You can just be angry with your parents for whatever reason. But it, when it comes to your own identity as it applies to being related to them, I could see that being really challenging, especially as you got older and, and you really are starting trying to figure out who you are. What were your experiences with your desire to reunite with your biological family members? Cause I know you told me previously there was a situation that really made you question whether you want to do it</p>
<p>New Speaker:               <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=364.16">06:04</a></u>                Well, you know just to go back a step. And you know, having been dealing with that, and I know how long that period of, of confusion and feeling lost was, but I&#8217;ll just share with you one moment that kind of snapped me out of it or you know, felt like I was emotionally punched in the face of the time. But my grandmother, my mother&#8217;s, my father&#8217;s mother, tough but wonderful. My, uh, one of my daughters, we named her middle name is after her cute. She, uh, we showed up for Christmas and Ottawa and she said, ah, I got into the house and now I had two misses. Finters you know, my mom and my grandmother. And she, uh, she tolerated that for about an hour. And I remember it being summoned to her bedroom, which I had looked in before.</p>
<p>Sean:                            <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=410.12">06:50</a></u>                I&#8217;d never been in there before. And I sat up on the edge of her bed where she told me to sit and she kinda got down at eye level with me. And the expected, uh, uh, a hug or, you know, hey, this is going to be okay. And she basically said, you know, listen to me a little sh*t. Those people out there love you more than anything in the world. And there they, they&#8217;ll give you everything. And she said, at some point you&#8217;re going to have to accept that or continue to punish them. She said, they&#8217;ve done nothing but love you and I get it. I get your hurt and angry and it doesn&#8217;t always make sense. But she said at some point when you let them back in, everything&#8217;s gonna be okay. And then I thought, she taught me and Jesus got up and walked out!</p>
<p>Damon:                        <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=455.52">07:35</a></u>                She left it to simmer with you, huh. Think about that young man.</p>
<p>Sean:                            <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=458.45">07:38</a></u>                And you know, in that moment I just, I decided that she was right. You know, they hadn&#8217;t done any right and there was still a reconciliation for me, but I emerged from that bedroom with a very different view of the world and thought I, Alright well here I am. And if you&#8217;re going to land anywhere, you know, it&#8217;s pretty good spot to, to answer your question, you know, um, between that time and um 14 years ago when my first of four children was born, I had really rationalized that I was okay, you know, that I, and I was complete. I, you know, I&#8217;ve met a lot of people that were adopted that had this hole in their heart that needed to, you know, I need to find things out. And maybe it was just my self talk and convincing myself that it doesn&#8217;t matter and I&#8217;m okay.</p>
<p>Sean:                            <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=503.3">08:23</a></u>                I&#8217;m in a good place. And, and I, and I, I was rich, you know, I had all these rich relationships in my life and felt full, um, it wasn&#8217;t until Macy was born and you know, for any first time father to look in the eyes of this child, and this was sound a little bit silly, but I just like saw the whole world. Like I just realized, man, we&#8217;re all connected. Yeah. And that this is a part of me. And, and I realized right then like at some stage, not so long ago, someone looked in my eyes when this happened to them and I thought, you know, where is she? Where is he? And I wondered, you know where they were. And I thought for the first time, like as a parent like they had, there must&#8217;ve been a lot of pain to say goodbye. So that&#8217;s when the sort of journey started to start to figure this out.</p>
<p>Damon:                        <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=549.98">09:09</a></u>                So you&#8217;ve been catalyzed by the birth of your own child. And I know that feeling of looking down, you know, at your child, I&#8217;ve said this before, you know, when I saw my son for the first time, I was home alone with him and I was just like, oh my God, you&#8217;re the first biological relative I&#8217;ve literally ever known. And it&#8217;s just a moment of, of seriality. So what did you do then? You&#8217;ve now had this, this reconciliation with the sage wisdom of your grandmother. You&#8217;ve, you&#8217;ve gotten to a good place in your mind in terms of growing up and maturing into your identity and with your family. But now you&#8217;ve, you&#8217;ve had this moment where you recognize that someone had the same look about you when you were an infant. What, what did you do next?</p>
<p>Sean:                            <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=590.09">09:50</a></u>                Well, I did what I normally do and I started to write. So I, I was living in Sydney, Australia and I started to write a letter. And the letter, um, started out very simply, you know, there were three things that I wanted to communicate to her, to my biological mother. Um, I said, uh, firstly, you know, I, I&#8217;d heard from, you know, I&#8217;d met over the years a lot of people that both had been adopted and had and had given up their kids for a better opportunity. And what really rang in my mind at that time was the moms and dads that had to say goodbye. And when I, uh, I started writing a letter, I just, I said to her that, you know, every time I see a young pregnant girl, I realized like, especially if you&#8217;re carrying a baby to term, to give them up for a better opportunity.</p>
<p>Sean:                            <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=648.77">10:48</a></u>                And, and I just said, you know, I am, I am so grateful that you had the courage to do that. Secondly, I thought it was important for her to know that as a result of that, that it worked. Everything that, uh, that a mom would have wanted for her, her son came true. Right. The family and the circumstance experience. And for that, you know, we were, she was fortunate cause you don&#8217;t know where your child&#8217;s going, but I thought it was important that she know that, you know, I kind of won the lottery in that regard. Yeah. And then finally I said, you know, as a dad now, and I had been a dad for 10 minutes or a day or two. {laughs} So now I&#8217;m able to speak from the wisdom of a father. I know now that you&#8217;ve wondered like what happened to me, you know, it&#8217;s been at that point and again, you know, almost, well it&#8217;s 30 some years, you know, three and a half decades.</p>
<p>Sean:                            <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=713.53">11:53</a></u>                And I said, this is me. You know, this is now, I grew up in Canada and I&#8217;ve traveled, I&#8217;ve been to over 50 countries, businesses all over the world. And Best of all, you know, I&#8217;m married a girl I fell in love with in high school and you know, we&#8217;ve now started a family and, and I said, this is who I am because of what you did for me. So that was it. And then it was supposed to be a two page letter and it turned into 10 pages and photos and all of that. And, and I wish I could say I just wrote this beautiful water and popped it in the post. And that was that. But it sat in my drawer for years and then did iterations of that letter. And I don&#8217;t know why, I just didn&#8217;t, I didn&#8217;t know where to send it or I didn&#8217;t have the courage to do something holding me back.</p>
<p>Sean:                            <u><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9Ai-yOSCi-FCnkNYDw89eyEWPtc7VsRuUBss-eAJZowl5lqLUt6Vng0agaJHm2t4xP3UXRi9i7D5lCyLxuyKf6864Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=760.82">12:40</a></u>                And luckily my wife Jenny one day just, hey, you know, why don&#8217;t, why don&#8217;t I send this today? You know, we looked up and she said, why don&#8217;t I just send this today? Like all my way or the door? I said, well, we&#8217;ll talk about it tonight. And she said, no, no, no, I think I&#8217;m going to send...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/011-from-childhood-rebellion-to-thankful-reunion]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1577</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 01 Jun 2019 07:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/049c8616-734a-4de1-8455-662c8fc97714/011-sean-f-final.mp3" length="28982446" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>30:11</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>11</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>11</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>When Sean was a kid, he found out he was adopted. That news created some conflict in him and challenged his identity. He began to rebel against his adopted parents, but some sage wisdom from his grandmother quickly set him straight. Sean returned to loving and appreciating the family he was a part of, but…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>023 – I’ve Found My Joi</title><itunes:title>023 – I’ve Found My Joi</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Growing up Joi tried to convince herself that being adopted didn’t bother her because she had such a great family. But in reality, great parents did not erase the fact that she didn’t know her birth parents. She laments that never saw anyone who looked like her, and of course, she could never answer a doctor’s questions about her health history.</p><p>After connecting with a close cousin on AncestryDNA, they began a search through the family tree to locate her birth mother. After the state of New Jersey opened adoptee birth records, the cousins learned exactly who Joi was related to, and that their search had been off track. After receiving her original birth certificate (OBC), she was able to connect with her birth mother and her birth father in a story of joyous reunion befitting a woman named Joi.</p><p>Since her interview originally aired in August 2017 Joi has published her adoptee memoir, “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Finding-Joi-Story-Faith-Family/dp/1733631402/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=finding+joi&amp;qid=1558748647&amp;s=gateway&amp;sr=8-1" target="_blank">Finding Joi: A True Story of Faith, Family, and Love</a>”</p><p><span style="color: black">Joi (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=1.11" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:01</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Will there be a response to the letter? The fear of, okay, now I'll put all this out there and let's say it gets to her and she chooses not to respond. How will I know if she got the letter? Is she even interested in reconnecting with me and then what if I got to this point and I have a name, I have an address. I have even a church that she attends and what if she doesn't want to see me? How am I going to deal with that?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=30.51" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:30</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=41.7" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:41</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis, and on today's show you'll meet Joi. She grew up comforted by the adoption mantra that she was not expected, she was chosen. While adoption was an open topic in her home, Joi admits she hadn't reached a point of speaking freely about her own adoption publicly until she was in reunion. Her reunion story has some unexpected twists and turns as the DNA match she thought she had found turned out to be completely different from her expectation and another DNA match turned into a dead end. In the end, Joi's name lived up to its meaning, which her birth mother cleverly testified to in church for their very first meeting. Here's Joi's journey.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=91.56" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:31</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Joi's adoption was an openly accepted fact in her life, even though people sometimes commented that she didn't quite look like her family.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Joi (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=98.86" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:38</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I don't remember how it happened or, but I've, I've always known, I know that I had a baby book and in the front of the baby book it had my pictures when I, I guess first came to them and at the bottom of the first page, it was a little card. It had a baby on the outside and when you flipped it over, it gave my birth date and it said on the outside I wasn't expected, I was selected. And I just remember that being a part of the conversation forever as it related to us talking about adoption. You know, the story of your mother wasn't able to care for you and she wanted you to have a good family. And that's how they kinda got me. And then from there, you know, it's, it's just always been a part of who I am. I won't say that it's always been a part of the conversations that we've had at home, but it's not been something that was hidden from me. Um, I've always known that piece.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=151.12" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:31</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And you were comfortable with it because you always knew.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Joi (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=153.67" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:33</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I think I was, I think it was those little moments when somebody would say that, you know, that I didn't look like my father or I didn't act like some of my cousins. It was those times, you know, that kind of stuck out as moments when it came to the forefront where it normally wasn't an issue.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=169.98" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:49</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Right. And you could think to yourself, well, I could tell you why, but..</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Joi (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=173.87" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:53</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Right. And, but, and, and that's the hard part of it too. Because now as I look at where I am now, I can openly say that's because I'm adopted. But that's something that I would never have said.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=184.79" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:04</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah. As a child trying to figure out your own identity.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Joi (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=188.44" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:08</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah. But then I was reading an article the other day and the lady was talking about how it speaks to our truth, you know, the fact that we are adopted. So to be able to say that now so openly and freely, it is a relief. It does make me feel like, you know, I'm not hiding part of myself anymore.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=206.71" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:26</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And it's a, I think to a degree, somewhat of relief for the people around you too. Because I think they can sense it. The reason that they've said, well you don't look like your cousins or you don't act like your father or whatever the thing is is because they've picked up on something too. So to have that conversation be something you can have just right out in the open now is, is a, is a freeing feeling, I think for me.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Joi (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=230.79" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:50</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah, I agree. I agree. And I think even for my daughters, it's been funny as they talk to their friends and have been sharing our journey and sharing pictures and things of that nature, some friends are like, yeah, I never thought your mother looked like her father. Well that's because, and by the way, let me show you a picture of what her father, her birth father looks like. So we are able to laugh about it now and, and joke about it, but you know, and those were the little things that some people just wouldn't say. You have people who are a little bit more bold where they will. Well that can't be your child. You know, I'm going, wow.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Growing up Joi tried to convince herself that being adopted didn’t bother her because she had such a great family. But in reality, great parents did not erase the fact that she didn’t know her birth parents. She laments that never saw anyone who looked like her, and of course, she could never answer a doctor’s questions about her health history.</p><p>After connecting with a close cousin on AncestryDNA, they began a search through the family tree to locate her birth mother. After the state of New Jersey opened adoptee birth records, the cousins learned exactly who Joi was related to, and that their search had been off track. After receiving her original birth certificate (OBC), she was able to connect with her birth mother and her birth father in a story of joyous reunion befitting a woman named Joi.</p><p>Since her interview originally aired in August 2017 Joi has published her adoptee memoir, “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Finding-Joi-Story-Faith-Family/dp/1733631402/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=finding+joi&amp;qid=1558748647&amp;s=gateway&amp;sr=8-1" target="_blank">Finding Joi: A True Story of Faith, Family, and Love</a>”</p><p><span style="color: black">Joi (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=1.11" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:01</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Will there be a response to the letter? The fear of, okay, now I'll put all this out there and let's say it gets to her and she chooses not to respond. How will I know if she got the letter? Is she even interested in reconnecting with me and then what if I got to this point and I have a name, I have an address. I have even a church that she attends and what if she doesn't want to see me? How am I going to deal with that?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=30.51" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:30</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=41.7" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:41</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis, and on today's show you'll meet Joi. She grew up comforted by the adoption mantra that she was not expected, she was chosen. While adoption was an open topic in her home, Joi admits she hadn't reached a point of speaking freely about her own adoption publicly until she was in reunion. Her reunion story has some unexpected twists and turns as the DNA match she thought she had found turned out to be completely different from her expectation and another DNA match turned into a dead end. In the end, Joi's name lived up to its meaning, which her birth mother cleverly testified to in church for their very first meeting. Here's Joi's journey.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=91.56" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:31</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Joi's adoption was an openly accepted fact in her life, even though people sometimes commented that she didn't quite look like her family.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Joi (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=98.86" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:38</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I don't remember how it happened or, but I've, I've always known, I know that I had a baby book and in the front of the baby book it had my pictures when I, I guess first came to them and at the bottom of the first page, it was a little card. It had a baby on the outside and when you flipped it over, it gave my birth date and it said on the outside I wasn't expected, I was selected. And I just remember that being a part of the conversation forever as it related to us talking about adoption. You know, the story of your mother wasn't able to care for you and she wanted you to have a good family. And that's how they kinda got me. And then from there, you know, it's, it's just always been a part of who I am. I won't say that it's always been a part of the conversations that we've had at home, but it's not been something that was hidden from me. Um, I've always known that piece.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=151.12" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:31</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And you were comfortable with it because you always knew.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Joi (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=153.67" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:33</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I think I was, I think it was those little moments when somebody would say that, you know, that I didn't look like my father or I didn't act like some of my cousins. It was those times, you know, that kind of stuck out as moments when it came to the forefront where it normally wasn't an issue.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=169.98" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:49</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Right. And you could think to yourself, well, I could tell you why, but..</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Joi (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=173.87" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:53</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Right. And, but, and, and that's the hard part of it too. Because now as I look at where I am now, I can openly say that's because I'm adopted. But that's something that I would never have said.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=184.79" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:04</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah. As a child trying to figure out your own identity.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Joi (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=188.44" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:08</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah. But then I was reading an article the other day and the lady was talking about how it speaks to our truth, you know, the fact that we are adopted. So to be able to say that now so openly and freely, it is a relief. It does make me feel like, you know, I'm not hiding part of myself anymore.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=206.71" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:26</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And it's a, I think to a degree, somewhat of relief for the people around you too. Because I think they can sense it. The reason that they've said, well you don't look like your cousins or you don't act like your father or whatever the thing is is because they've picked up on something too. So to have that conversation be something you can have just right out in the open now is, is a, is a freeing feeling, I think for me.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Joi (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=230.79" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:50</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah, I agree. I agree. And I think even for my daughters, it's been funny as they talk to their friends and have been sharing our journey and sharing pictures and things of that nature, some friends are like, yeah, I never thought your mother looked like her father. Well that's because, and by the way, let me show you a picture of what her father, her birth father looks like. So we are able to laugh about it now and, and joke about it, but you know, and those were the little things that some people just wouldn't say. You have people who are a little bit more bold where they will. Well that can't be your child. You know, I'm going, wow.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=265.85" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:25</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah. Really? You just said that straight out like that, huh?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Joi (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=269.14" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:29</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Right, right. And I think that was the tough part in my teenage years where people, and they would do it jokingly.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=275.291" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:35</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Right.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Joi (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=276.7" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:36</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">But when I knew for a fact that yes, this wasn't my actual birth father, that kinda hurt in that way. And then, you know, I didn't know how it made him feel, uh, because it was kind of like a sideways compliment in a way too. Oh, that can't be your, your daughter. Oh, well she must look like her mother. You know, I'm going. Wow. Okay.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=297.52" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:57</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">When you describe you, it sounds like you guys do look fairly different. Tell me about how, how you look versus how he looks. How, why is it so stark?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Joi (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=305.77" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:05</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I just think we just don't look alike, but I think the part that has helped is that his brother, my uncle has two girls and the girls and I favor.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=316.28" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:16</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">In her teens, those comments began to rub her the wrong way. I asked Joi,what was the catalyst for her search? Like so many adoptees, Joi said she always wanted to know more, but she says more than once, there were times when people could swear they saw her somewhere else in places that she hadn't been.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Joi (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=334.8" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:34</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I would say it's the Joi sightings. People would always say, Oh, I thought I saw you, or do you work part time in this place? Or do you work part time in that plaza? Oh, I thought I saw you in a restaurant the other day and I'll say, no, that's not me. So whether that happened in college, when I went to school in Trenton or whether it happened close to home or you know, different places that, things like that would happen. I said, okay, so there are some people out here that look like me.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=362.51" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:02</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">That's crazy!</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Joi (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=362.51" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:02</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">You know, I wonder do I have a sister? Because it would be people that were close to my age then a couple of events that I did, um, some kids would stop and stare and I work in education. So I knew that these kids went to the neighboring school district and I mean they're just kinda gathering, looking, standing over across the room and it makes me freeze cause I'm going, okay, who do they think I am? Because I know that I don't know. And then it's not until like I'll either walk closer or I'll walk in a different direction. And then you can see them have that look like, Oh that's not her.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=397.191" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:37</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">That is so fascinating.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Joi (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=398.17" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:38</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">But for them to stand there and stare and look for such a long period of time, just kind of waiting for me to move or see what I'm going to do or see if I'm going to approach them. Those were the awkward moments that, um, made me, you know, say I need to find out who's, who is out there, who is, who may be this close that's related to me. That's unbelievable. And then in high school there was the other incident where there was an art exhibit in our school library and all these people, and a couple of the security guards kept coming over to me saying, Oh, have you been upstairs? We saw a picture of you. And I said, no, I'm not any, you know, in any pictures or anything. But they knew that I modeled. So they said, yeah, it's a, it's a kind of an African print. I said, no, I haven't done anything with an African print or any tigers or anything of that nature. So that made me a little afraid to even go to this art exhibit. But once I went, um, after hearing a number of classmates and the guards saying, you need to go up there and look at that picture. To see a picture that really looks like you, that even I couldn't, you know, normally somebody to say such and such looks like you, look at them and go no, you can pinpoint everything about them that doesn't look like you. But to actually look at a picture. And I knew that that wasn't me.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=473.15" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:53</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">That's fascinating. You couldn't argue with that.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Joi (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=473.471" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:53</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">But it looks so much like me that I, I couldn't argue with it. And then having my own kids too.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=479.57" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:59</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Tell me about having your own kids. What did that do for you?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Joi (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/NqiW0hAXav-2cLVPCwTQZYmUCH6KIS7shxcHNv2FkeH8VHExZYIWlBbTVR36ZHmqBypUiaIEQwAoKuwRejIdsUUGFwA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=482.81" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:02</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">That made me want to know more. I mean I've always had the situations where every time you go to the doctor is always a, Well, could you tell us a little bit about your medical history? What does this, this, this and I'm looking at them like I will, I wrote, not applicable or unknown up there, but you still want to ask me the question. So, um, I think it was that piece and then getting ready to become a parent for the first time and they're asking me as it related to my child, which now it seemed a lot more important, um, to be able to know just in case anything was to happen because I had no information. The information that I had received years ago just said that my mother's health was good and my father's health was good.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/023-ive-found-my-joi]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1697</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2019 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/605c7ba4-f32d-4e43-850e-86f30abdd654/023-ive-found-my-joi.mp3" length="45919004" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>47:50</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>23</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>23</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Growing up Joi tried to convince herself that being adopted didn’t bother her because she had such a great family. But in reality, great parents did not erase the fact that she didn’t know her birth parents. She laments that never saw anyone who looked like her, and of course, she could never answer a…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>093 – Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir, A Preview</title><itunes:title>093 – Who Am I Really? An Adoptee Memoir, A Preview</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>You probably know by now that I’ve&nbsp;written book to share my story, just like so many of our crib mates who have documented their own stories.</p><p>It’s called <a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" target="_blank">Who Am I&nbsp;Really, An Adoptee Memoir</a>. In this episode I introduce my own story, and recap lessons learned from the Who Am I Really podcast.</p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a></p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xIlyTdHf1ZaHKloX4KHo3XY0L-PJZsfk79d12X7lfsA0M1hhI_wtWZ_wQAK3QXJuyl3zb0-71_lOnJhC8_0rBuXu4X8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=0.12" target="_blank"><u>00:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I want to start by thanking all of you for listening to the show. I wasn’t sure this would turn into anything meaningful when I first brainstormed, Who Am I Really? But your comments on episodes, ratings on apple podcasts, personal notes and contributions on Patreon have meant so much to me. I’m not even kidding when I tell you that the feedback is the fuel that helps me continue this passion project and labor of love. I’ve been humbled by the number of people who have reached out to share their adoption journey and I thank all of my guests for their bravery in opening their inner thoughts and deepest emotions for others to hear. You’re helping other adoptees to feel like they are validated about whatever mental state they’re in or have been in and that they’re not alone on this particular journey through life. You’re helping everyone who listens to understand the adoptee perspective from your own words because you’ve lived these experiences. You’re sharing has taught me empathy for other people, not just adoptees, but everyone. We all go through something in our lives and hearing adoption and reunion stories has opened my eyes to just how much we all endure, how resilient we can be in the face of adversity and how we handle our happiness, anger and seek or grant forgiveness. I’m so thankful to my guests for trusting me with helping to share their journeys and now it’s my turn.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xIlyTdHf1ZaHKloX4KHo3XY0L-PJZsfk79d12X7lfsA0M1hhI_wtWZ_wQAK3QXJuyl3zb0-71_lOnJhC8_0rBuXu4X8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=85.01" target="_blank"><u>01:25</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xIlyTdHf1ZaHKloX4KHo3XY0L-PJZsfk79d12X7lfsA0M1hhI_wtWZ_wQAK3QXJuyl3zb0-71_lOnJhC8_0rBuXu4X8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=96.43" target="_blank"><u>01:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. You probably know by now that I’ve written a book to share my story, just like so many of our crib mates who have documented their own stories. It’s called Who Am I Really an adoptee memoir. If you haven’t seen it already, you should head over to facebook.com/WAIReally to see a video of my son Seth and me when we opened the box of books when it arrived. It was super cute to watch Seth get emotional as he held the book in his hand for the first time. It’s been a long time coming and I’m really proud of it. A few people have asked me about my writing process, so I’ve told them one of the first things you have to do is you just have to start writing, but my editor gave me some great advice, which I also shared.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xIlyTdHf1ZaHKloX4KHo3XY0L-PJZsfk79d12X7lfsA0M1hhI_wtWZ_wQAK3QXJuyl3zb0-71_lOnJhC8_0rBuXu4X8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=149.71" target="_blank"><u>02:29</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She recommended that I note the things that I wanted people to get out of my book. The reason I was writing it, she pointed out that that exercise would help me focus the writing to make sure those core elements were clearly articulated. But when I started writing, I realized that when I tell my adoption story, it usually focuses on the incredible reunions I experienced with my biological parents Ann and Bill. But my story is about more than myself and reunion and it began many years before I was born. I decided I wanted to learn more about my biological mother, what she was like as a young woman, what events led to her pregnancy with me and the decision to place me for adoption. I wanted to understand more about the personalities of my adoptive parents as young people, learn about when they fell in love and got married and what transpired for them leading to my adoption. I interviewed my adoptive parents, relatives and friends, and I interviewed my natural parents, relatives and friends to document the history behind my birth and adoption. This book tells pieces of their stories as well as my own. It explores my decision to search for my birth mother while losing my adoptive mother to mental illness. Then the book comes full circle after I met my biological parents who were both genealogists, with me sharing our history with Seth, the youngest branch on our family tree. So I hope you don’t mind if I take a few minutes to read the prologue and first chapter to you and just like I lead into every other show. This is my journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xIlyTdHf1ZaHKloX4KHo3XY0L-PJZsfk79d12X7lfsA0M1hhI_wtWZ_wQAK3QXJuyl3zb0-71_lOnJhC8_0rBuXu4X8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=244.55" target="_blank"><u>04:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who Am I Really? By Damon L. Davis, read by Damon L. Davis. Prologue: The adoption of a child is a very complicated process to fully comprehend unless you’ve lived through one, you probably don’t fully understand. The adoption process is said to be a triad of participants, birth parents adoptees and adopted parents, but I believe adoption is a combination of far more, every person, adoptee or otherwise is molded by their immediate and extended family, their broader community and its belief systems and myriad other factors too numerous to name. On my podcast, Who Am I Really? WWW.WhoAmIReallypodcast.com I’ve spoken to dozens of adoptees about their experiences in adoption and their attempts to reunite with their biological family members. On the show, I have learned there are countless complicating factors in every person’s life and adoption as a life’s journey takes on many forms.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xIlyTdHf1ZaHKloX4KHo3XY0L-PJZsfk79d12X7lfsA0M1hhI_wtWZ_wQAK3QXJuyl3zb0-71_lOnJhC8_0rBuXu4X8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=305.87" target="_blank"><u>05:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My podcast guests have talked about the ways their adoptive parents tried to make sure they felt comfortable with their adoption. Some parents buy books on the subject to read with their children explaining that they are loved and attempting to make them feel special for being chosen for adoption. Often adopted children do feel comforted that they were special enough to be chosen, but sometimes they wonder why they weren’t special enough to be kept and raised by their own parents. Guests have shared stories of transracial adoptions in which parents of one race adopted child from another race. I’ve heard tales of people adopted into certain global cultures or religions who feel very little connection to that upbringing, always sensing that they were someone else deep inside. Others feel a different kind of disconnect from their adoptive family like being an artistic, free-spirited, creative person in a family of rule following straight arrows.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xIlyTdHf1ZaHKloX4KHo3XY0L-PJZsfk79d12X7lfsA0M1hhI_wtWZ_wQAK3QXJuyl3zb0-71_lOnJhC8_0rBuXu4X8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=358.49" target="_blank"><u>05:58</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Some people have said they felt extroverted in an introverted family or they just saw the world differently than their adoptive parents and siblings. Sometimes the differences are physical, like skin tone or height and weight, but one of the worst scenarios for adoptees is having unsupportive or even abusive adoptive parents who overtly or intentionally reminded the adoptee that they were the biological child of someone else. Searching for our relatives is an adventure unto itself. I’ve heard amazing tales of people’s searches for their family back in the pre internet days. Those stories are amazing to me as adoptees recount the true detective work they had to do. They share tales of numerous appeals to the court system to release their...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You probably know by now that I’ve&nbsp;written book to share my story, just like so many of our crib mates who have documented their own stories.</p><p>It’s called <a href="https://amzn.to/2Y9RNf8" target="_blank">Who Am I&nbsp;Really, An Adoptee Memoir</a>. In this episode I introduce my own story, and recap lessons learned from the Who Am I Really podcast.</p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a></p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xIlyTdHf1ZaHKloX4KHo3XY0L-PJZsfk79d12X7lfsA0M1hhI_wtWZ_wQAK3QXJuyl3zb0-71_lOnJhC8_0rBuXu4X8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=0.12" target="_blank"><u>00:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I want to start by thanking all of you for listening to the show. I wasn’t sure this would turn into anything meaningful when I first brainstormed, Who Am I Really? But your comments on episodes, ratings on apple podcasts, personal notes and contributions on Patreon have meant so much to me. I’m not even kidding when I tell you that the feedback is the fuel that helps me continue this passion project and labor of love. I’ve been humbled by the number of people who have reached out to share their adoption journey and I thank all of my guests for their bravery in opening their inner thoughts and deepest emotions for others to hear. You’re helping other adoptees to feel like they are validated about whatever mental state they’re in or have been in and that they’re not alone on this particular journey through life. You’re helping everyone who listens to understand the adoptee perspective from your own words because you’ve lived these experiences. You’re sharing has taught me empathy for other people, not just adoptees, but everyone. We all go through something in our lives and hearing adoption and reunion stories has opened my eyes to just how much we all endure, how resilient we can be in the face of adversity and how we handle our happiness, anger and seek or grant forgiveness. I’m so thankful to my guests for trusting me with helping to share their journeys and now it’s my turn.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xIlyTdHf1ZaHKloX4KHo3XY0L-PJZsfk79d12X7lfsA0M1hhI_wtWZ_wQAK3QXJuyl3zb0-71_lOnJhC8_0rBuXu4X8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=85.01" target="_blank"><u>01:25</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xIlyTdHf1ZaHKloX4KHo3XY0L-PJZsfk79d12X7lfsA0M1hhI_wtWZ_wQAK3QXJuyl3zb0-71_lOnJhC8_0rBuXu4X8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=96.43" target="_blank"><u>01:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. You probably know by now that I’ve written a book to share my story, just like so many of our crib mates who have documented their own stories. It’s called Who Am I Really an adoptee memoir. If you haven’t seen it already, you should head over to facebook.com/WAIReally to see a video of my son Seth and me when we opened the box of books when it arrived. It was super cute to watch Seth get emotional as he held the book in his hand for the first time. It’s been a long time coming and I’m really proud of it. A few people have asked me about my writing process, so I’ve told them one of the first things you have to do is you just have to start writing, but my editor gave me some great advice, which I also shared.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xIlyTdHf1ZaHKloX4KHo3XY0L-PJZsfk79d12X7lfsA0M1hhI_wtWZ_wQAK3QXJuyl3zb0-71_lOnJhC8_0rBuXu4X8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=149.71" target="_blank"><u>02:29</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She recommended that I note the things that I wanted people to get out of my book. The reason I was writing it, she pointed out that that exercise would help me focus the writing to make sure those core elements were clearly articulated. But when I started writing, I realized that when I tell my adoption story, it usually focuses on the incredible reunions I experienced with my biological parents Ann and Bill. But my story is about more than myself and reunion and it began many years before I was born. I decided I wanted to learn more about my biological mother, what she was like as a young woman, what events led to her pregnancy with me and the decision to place me for adoption. I wanted to understand more about the personalities of my adoptive parents as young people, learn about when they fell in love and got married and what transpired for them leading to my adoption. I interviewed my adoptive parents, relatives and friends, and I interviewed my natural parents, relatives and friends to document the history behind my birth and adoption. This book tells pieces of their stories as well as my own. It explores my decision to search for my birth mother while losing my adoptive mother to mental illness. Then the book comes full circle after I met my biological parents who were both genealogists, with me sharing our history with Seth, the youngest branch on our family tree. So I hope you don’t mind if I take a few minutes to read the prologue and first chapter to you and just like I lead into every other show. This is my journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xIlyTdHf1ZaHKloX4KHo3XY0L-PJZsfk79d12X7lfsA0M1hhI_wtWZ_wQAK3QXJuyl3zb0-71_lOnJhC8_0rBuXu4X8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=244.55" target="_blank"><u>04:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who Am I Really? By Damon L. Davis, read by Damon L. Davis. Prologue: The adoption of a child is a very complicated process to fully comprehend unless you’ve lived through one, you probably don’t fully understand. The adoption process is said to be a triad of participants, birth parents adoptees and adopted parents, but I believe adoption is a combination of far more, every person, adoptee or otherwise is molded by their immediate and extended family, their broader community and its belief systems and myriad other factors too numerous to name. On my podcast, Who Am I Really? WWW.WhoAmIReallypodcast.com I’ve spoken to dozens of adoptees about their experiences in adoption and their attempts to reunite with their biological family members. On the show, I have learned there are countless complicating factors in every person’s life and adoption as a life’s journey takes on many forms.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xIlyTdHf1ZaHKloX4KHo3XY0L-PJZsfk79d12X7lfsA0M1hhI_wtWZ_wQAK3QXJuyl3zb0-71_lOnJhC8_0rBuXu4X8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=305.87" target="_blank"><u>05:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My podcast guests have talked about the ways their adoptive parents tried to make sure they felt comfortable with their adoption. Some parents buy books on the subject to read with their children explaining that they are loved and attempting to make them feel special for being chosen for adoption. Often adopted children do feel comforted that they were special enough to be chosen, but sometimes they wonder why they weren’t special enough to be kept and raised by their own parents. Guests have shared stories of transracial adoptions in which parents of one race adopted child from another race. I’ve heard tales of people adopted into certain global cultures or religions who feel very little connection to that upbringing, always sensing that they were someone else deep inside. Others feel a different kind of disconnect from their adoptive family like being an artistic, free-spirited, creative person in a family of rule following straight arrows.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xIlyTdHf1ZaHKloX4KHo3XY0L-PJZsfk79d12X7lfsA0M1hhI_wtWZ_wQAK3QXJuyl3zb0-71_lOnJhC8_0rBuXu4X8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=358.49" target="_blank"><u>05:58</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Some people have said they felt extroverted in an introverted family or they just saw the world differently than their adoptive parents and siblings. Sometimes the differences are physical, like skin tone or height and weight, but one of the worst scenarios for adoptees is having unsupportive or even abusive adoptive parents who overtly or intentionally reminded the adoptee that they were the biological child of someone else. Searching for our relatives is an adventure unto itself. I’ve heard amazing tales of people’s searches for their family back in the pre internet days. Those stories are amazing to me as adoptees recount the true detective work they had to do. They share tales of numerous appeals to the court system to release their documents. Diligent, even desperate searches through library archives for clues or tracking down phone numbers for people they hope are the family members they’re seeking. Today, technology allows a new generation of adoptees to connect more quickly and locate clues more easily than ever before.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xIlyTdHf1ZaHKloX4KHo3XY0L-PJZsfk79d12X7lfsA0M1hhI_wtWZ_wQAK3QXJuyl3zb0-71_lOnJhC8_0rBuXu4X8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=420.95" target="_blank"><u>07:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Reunion registries allow people to broadcast their search to anyone who will listen online. Vast networks of quote, Search Angels, close quote, are volunteering to aid a person’s investigation because they know how important it is for some adoptees to reconnect with family members. Social networks, like Facebook, make it easy to search for people yourself on lunch breaks and after hours, allowing adoptees to peek into the personality or even see a photo of someone they have a connection to. Even more incredibly, the proliferation of commercialized DNA testing companies like ancestry DNA and 23andme are giving adoptees scientific proof of their biological connection to distant relatives or directly to their birth parents. Finally, the reunion itself can be a harrowing experience. Some people are welcomed by one or both parents who’ve remembered that person’s life ever since their child was sent off into the world. Others are summarily rejected by parents who feel that they dealt with that chapter of their life years ago and are appalled, even offended that the adoptee would step forward and reopen that chapter, they’ve moved on. Still, others embark on the journey to find their birth parents only to learn that they’re deceased. Some adoptees have a strong feeling their parent is already gone even before they learn the facts. Others learn their parents passed away very recently making the pain at the end of their search more acute because they just barely missed meeting their loved one. Of course, sometimes there are new sibling relationships to navigate as well. Some adoptees learned their biological parents stayed together after their adoption and they have full blood siblings. Sometimes a person has half siblings, some of whom are eager to meet them and others who want nothing to do with them. There are components of the adoption journey that I haven’t even touched on here. Social Workers, foster families, biological relatives and other influencers are huge parts of the adoption constellation. Of course, every birth parent also has their own full story to tell about why and how an adoption plan was made for their child.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xIlyTdHf1ZaHKloX4KHo3XY0L-PJZsfk79d12X7lfsA0M1hhI_wtWZ_wQAK3QXJuyl3zb0-71_lOnJhC8_0rBuXu4X8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=552.66" target="_blank"><u>09:12</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Furthermore, adoptees also have to navigate the feelings of their adopted parents about their desire to search, making sure they know they’re not being replaced. The search is purely a quest for answers. That nag and curiosity is often the catalyst for an adoptees search for their first family. If you’re not adopted, try to imagine for yourself that you’ve been told you’re directly related to other parents and siblings whom you don’t know. It’s almost inevitable that you would develop a curiosity about who those people could be. We’re curious about birth parents, personalities and physical traits and which pieces of ourselves we inherited from them. Adoptees are hungry for information about their medical history and the mysteries contained within. For any person battling a hereditary chronic illness or caring for a loved one who is, you understand the dire importance of having as much information as possible, like family health history.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xIlyTdHf1ZaHKloX4KHo3XY0L-PJZsfk79d12X7lfsA0M1hhI_wtWZ_wQAK3QXJuyl3zb0-71_lOnJhC8_0rBuXu4X8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=609.75" target="_blank"><u>10:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I’ve shared these scenarios to introduce the adoption experience at the highest level and to help anyone who is not directly impacted by adoption to empathize with adoptees. I’ve lived two of the three sides of the triad. I’m an adoptee and an adoptive parents, so I know the triumphs and struggles of adoption all too well. I hope that after learning my story, adoptees will feel inspiration for the possibilities of their own reunions, even in the face of adversity. Reading my journey, I want adoptive parents to understand some of the love, gratitude and consideration an adoptee might have for them as their parents. I hope they will appreciate hearing the inner thoughts an adoptee might have when considering reunion with birth parents. My hope is that birth parents will also understand some of the thoughts and emotions that an adoptee contemplates and experiences when we consider reunion with you and what we feel in the aftermath of learning facts about our adoption or our natural family.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xIlyTdHf1ZaHKloX4KHo3XY0L-PJZsfk79d12X7lfsA0M1hhI_wtWZ_wQAK3QXJuyl3zb0-71_lOnJhC8_0rBuXu4X8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=670.23" target="_blank"><u>11:10</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I’ve been so lucky to research the lives of my biological parents and adopted parents during the years before my adoption. It put the path of my life, culminating in our reunions into perspective. I wanna thank Veronica’s sister, Bonnie Akins, Willie’s lifelong friend, Wayman Gwyn, my biological cousins, Maryanne Doosan and Marla Owens, Anne’s lifelong friend, Shelly Kaia, Ann’s graduate school friend Sharon Holly and Christine Owens Boon for their recollections of the past. I also want to thank my family and friends for supporting me throughout my journey to this point in my life. I love you all more than you know. As I write this, Who Am I Really? Is approaching 100 adoptees who have shared their journeys on the show. I’ve been humbled by the trust others have placed in me to help share their personal stories. Now it’s my turn. This is for Seth and for everyone who follows him.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xIlyTdHf1ZaHKloX4KHo3XY0L-PJZsfk79d12X7lfsA0M1hhI_wtWZ_wQAK3QXJuyl3zb0-71_lOnJhC8_0rBuXu4X8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=730.92" target="_blank"><u>12:10</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Chapter one: Michael. Within seconds of my first breath on October 14th, 1972, the birthing staff at Baltimore’s Union Memorial Hospital whisked me away from my mother. Under normal circumstances, a newborn infant is placed on his mother’s bare chest to begin the intimate skin on skin bonding that unites a mother with her child outside of her womb. There would be no bonding between me and my mother that day. I was extracted from her body through a vertical Caesarean section, c-section incision on her lower abdomen. We were separated immediately, following the staff’s execution plan for infants entering adoption. For the rest of her life, the young mother would bear the physical and mental scars from the birth of a child she had carried for nine months, never met and might never see again. I had no voice in the adoption planning, no choice in the matter, even if I wanted to stay with her, I couldn’t say so. Ann Sullivan left the hospital to recover from her c-section surgery.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xIlyTdHf1ZaHKloX4KHo3XY0L-PJZsfk79d12X7lfsA0M1hhI_wtWZ_wQAK3QXJuyl3zb0-71_lOnJhC8_0rBuXu4X8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=792.69" target="_blank"><u>13:12</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I stayed in the facility for a few days before transitioning to a foster home for several months and then to my adopted family. The plans for my life and my birth mother’s life respectively were unknown. The only certainty was that we would not go forth together. A few months prior to my birth in June of 1972, a young newlywed couple from the Midwest, Willy and Veronica Davis had just moved to Maryland and they were ready to start a family. Struggling with infertility, they decided to adopt a baby. The adoption referral service they called in Baltimore, Maryland ultimately connected them to Baltimore city social services. Their caseworker Carolyn scheduled an appointment for the couple to meet at her office in the city for their first interview. In the meeting, she asked him background questions about why they wanted to adopt. She described the adoption process in Maryland and gave them personal questionnaires to be completed at home and returned to her...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/093-who-am-i-really-an-adoptee-memoir-a-preview]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2462</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2019 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/6c999c1f-5360-40b4-b28e-f55c50850458/093-who-am-i-really-an-adoptee-memoir-final.mp3" length="20048227" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>20:53</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>4</itunes:season><itunes:episode>93</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>93</podcast:episode><podcast:season>4</podcast:season><itunes:summary>You probably know by now that I’ve written book to share my story, just like so many of our crib mates who have documented their own stories. It’s called Who Am I Really, An Adoptee Memoir. In this episode I introduce my own story, and recap lessons learned from the Who Am I Really podcast.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>081 – I’ve Got The World By The Tail</title><itunes:title>081 – I’ve Got The World By The Tail</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Sandee shared the story of her life with an adopted brother who was coddled by their mother, so much so, that it reinforced her own natural position as a Daddy’s girl. That favoritism forced Sandee’s independence from her mother, but also created a bit of a rift between them. Locating her birth mother happened very quickly once she was offered some search assistance. But when those same volunteers couldn’t find anything about her birth father, Sandee questioned whether her birth mother had been honest about her conception. Luckily, when the truth was finally revealed through DNA, Sandee’s life turned out to be proof of something her paternal half-sister already suspected.</p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.19" target="_blank"><u>00:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I had told her that we had made contact and that we talked on the phone and by text. I can remember telling her that and saying, are you going to be okay with that? And she said, well, I don’t have a choice now do I? And I was like, Ooh, I guess I didn’t handle this very well. And she was not good with it. It hurt her, which I hate that it hurt her, but at the same time it really had nothing to do with her.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.85" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.23" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Sandee. She called me from Arkansas. Sandee shared the story of her life with an adopted brother who was coddled by their mother. So much so that it reinforced her own natural position as daddy’s girl. Locating her birth mother happened very quickly once she was offered some search assistance, but when those same volunteers couldn’t find anything about her birth father Sandee questioned whether her birth mother had been honest about her conception. Luckily, when the truth was finally revealed through DNA, Sandee’s life turned out to be proof of something her paternal half sister already suspected. This is Sandee’s journey. First, Fun fact about Sandee, Her world revolves around animals.</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=103.6" target="_blank"><u>01:43</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I have seven dogs and four cats, two non releasable raccoons, and right now I’m babysitting my brother’s bird.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=111.82" target="_blank"><u>01:51</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You might hear a few of those guys contributing in the background of this episode. Sandee told me she grew up with one brother who was also adopted. She said she could remember the day when she was about seven, her brother was about nine, and their parents called the children into their bedroom for a talk. When they revealed the kids were adopted, she really didn’t understand. They were just their parents’ kids.</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=135.04" target="_blank"><u>02:15</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Uh, I find it very annoying when, when the news stories, will talk about whatever celebrity and their adopted child. It’s not their adopted child, it’s just their child.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=144.55" target="_blank"><u>02:24</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah that’s right.</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=144.55" target="_blank"><u>02:24</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It doesn’t matter if it’s adopted, it’s just their child.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=148.86" target="_blank"><u>02:28</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Sandee had a good upbringing with probably the same levels of dysfunction that many families have, no matter how they were formed.</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=156.15" target="_blank"><u>02:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was daddy’s girl all the way, which is good because my brother was and, until my mom died, a Mama’s boy. Although it, it did make having a good relationship with my mom difficult.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=169.84" target="_blank"><u>02:49</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;How so?</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=169.84" target="_blank"><u>02:49</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She was always there for him, always. Whatever he needed, whatever he wanted. But that didn’t leave her as available for me, which is why I went closer to my dad. My brother and I, we fought like cats and dogs our entire lives. And I, I can remember, you know, he used to, he used to bully me. He used to terrorize me. Um, cause both my parents worked. So after school, you know, I would find any after school activities so I didn’t have to go home until mom and dad got home from work. I can remember one time my mom saying to me, well, if he hit you, you must’ve been asking for it. And later in life I thought, yeah, that’s what you want to teach your daughter that you’re asking for it, if a guy hits you.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=226.69" target="_blank"><u>03:46</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That’s a horrible message.</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandee shared the story of her life with an adopted brother who was coddled by their mother, so much so, that it reinforced her own natural position as a Daddy’s girl. That favoritism forced Sandee’s independence from her mother, but also created a bit of a rift between them. Locating her birth mother happened very quickly once she was offered some search assistance. But when those same volunteers couldn’t find anything about her birth father, Sandee questioned whether her birth mother had been honest about her conception. Luckily, when the truth was finally revealed through DNA, Sandee’s life turned out to be proof of something her paternal half-sister already suspected.</p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.19" target="_blank"><u>00:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I had told her that we had made contact and that we talked on the phone and by text. I can remember telling her that and saying, are you going to be okay with that? And she said, well, I don’t have a choice now do I? And I was like, Ooh, I guess I didn’t handle this very well. And she was not good with it. It hurt her, which I hate that it hurt her, but at the same time it really had nothing to do with her.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.85" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.23" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Sandee. She called me from Arkansas. Sandee shared the story of her life with an adopted brother who was coddled by their mother. So much so that it reinforced her own natural position as daddy’s girl. Locating her birth mother happened very quickly once she was offered some search assistance, but when those same volunteers couldn’t find anything about her birth father Sandee questioned whether her birth mother had been honest about her conception. Luckily, when the truth was finally revealed through DNA, Sandee’s life turned out to be proof of something her paternal half sister already suspected. This is Sandee’s journey. First, Fun fact about Sandee, Her world revolves around animals.</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=103.6" target="_blank"><u>01:43</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I have seven dogs and four cats, two non releasable raccoons, and right now I’m babysitting my brother’s bird.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=111.82" target="_blank"><u>01:51</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You might hear a few of those guys contributing in the background of this episode. Sandee told me she grew up with one brother who was also adopted. She said she could remember the day when she was about seven, her brother was about nine, and their parents called the children into their bedroom for a talk. When they revealed the kids were adopted, she really didn’t understand. They were just their parents’ kids.</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=135.04" target="_blank"><u>02:15</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Uh, I find it very annoying when, when the news stories, will talk about whatever celebrity and their adopted child. It’s not their adopted child, it’s just their child.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=144.55" target="_blank"><u>02:24</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah that’s right.</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=144.55" target="_blank"><u>02:24</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It doesn’t matter if it’s adopted, it’s just their child.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=148.86" target="_blank"><u>02:28</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Sandee had a good upbringing with probably the same levels of dysfunction that many families have, no matter how they were formed.</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=156.15" target="_blank"><u>02:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was daddy’s girl all the way, which is good because my brother was and, until my mom died, a Mama’s boy. Although it, it did make having a good relationship with my mom difficult.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=169.84" target="_blank"><u>02:49</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;How so?</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=169.84" target="_blank"><u>02:49</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She was always there for him, always. Whatever he needed, whatever he wanted. But that didn’t leave her as available for me, which is why I went closer to my dad. My brother and I, we fought like cats and dogs our entire lives. And I, I can remember, you know, he used to, he used to bully me. He used to terrorize me. Um, cause both my parents worked. So after school, you know, I would find any after school activities so I didn’t have to go home until mom and dad got home from work. I can remember one time my mom saying to me, well, if he hit you, you must’ve been asking for it. And later in life I thought, yeah, that’s what you want to teach your daughter that you’re asking for it, if a guy hits you.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=226.69" target="_blank"><u>03:46</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That’s a horrible message.</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=226.69" target="_blank"><u>03:46</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. Yeah. But I don’t think my mom had ever been hit by a guy, so I don’t think she, she thought of it that way. And let’s face it, you know, my brother was the golden child in her eyes.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=241.41" target="_blank"><u>04:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Did her favoritism for him overshadow your father’s favoritism for you or your, you know what I mean? Like was hers so powerful that it was, you know, cast a shadow over your relationship with your dad at all? Do you know what I mean?</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=260.26" target="_blank"><u>04:20</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I know one time my mom asked my dad why he always took my side and he said, well, probably because you always take his side. So I think it, I think it turned out to be a balancing thing. But with my mom always being busy with my brother and always doing for my brother and having basically not a whole lot left for me, and this is not to say that she didn’t love me. She truly did. And I’ve talked about this with a friend of mine who was adopted because her mom had the same relationship with her brother. It’s not that we were stronger and didn’t need you as much, it’s that we didn’t get you as much, so we became stronger.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=308.11" target="_blank"><u>05:08</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh, that’s really interesting. Let me ask, you know, one of the classic things that I think of, you know, with a mother daughter relationship is when a young lady sort of comes of age, so to speak, there’s certain things that women need to talk about behind a closed door that dads are not going to be very good at. How were those discussions with your mom if you guys weren’t that close?</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=328.28" target="_blank"><u>05:28</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I remember we had them, once, but it was not comfortable and I can remember not having a clue what she was talking about when I left. You know when when the conversation was over,</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=342.44" target="_blank"><u>05:42</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;she was so uncomfortable that she didn’t really sort of bring you in and make you understand the content of the conversation?</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=349.29" target="_blank"><u>05:49</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Right. I learned it the old fashioned way, from my friends. You know we and that’s okay. That was far comfortable than than it would’ve been with mom.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=360.44" target="_blank"><u>06:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;How was your father’s relationship with your brother?</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=364.23" target="_blank"><u>06:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Not very good. Not very good.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=366.9" target="_blank"><u>06:06</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;In what ways?</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=368.31" target="_blank"><u>06:08</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think my dad felt like mom’s priority was my brother over my Dad. Where two parents should have a unified front with their children, but I think she, he felt like mom would always choose Kevin instead of him</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=391.18" target="_blank"><u>06:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;in her twenties, Sandee’s father disclosed that when her parents adopted her brother, his wife told him that if he ever laid a hand on her son, she would leave him. Sandee thinks that comment stems from what her mother knew about the abuse her father received from his parents as a child. Her mother was setting the tone right off the bat. Her father also shared with her that when her mom was a teen, she became pregnant. Her mother went and lived with her sister and brother in law in Texas, had the baby and gave it up for adoption. Sandee believes that baby was a boy and her brother was somehow intended to replace the baby she gave up. Her mother never said a word about it, but little bits of information she learned from her mom, who had no idea she knew, seemed to fit. Sandee said her parents had a great marriage. She just thinks that her father gave in a lot to satisfy her mother’s desire to care for her brother, which she basically did until her death in 2015. Sandee and her brother are both adults, so I asked her what she meant when she said her mother cared for her adult brother. Sandee said her mother bought her brother his home, financed his business, bought his groceries, and paid his utility bills.</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=467.92" target="_blank"><u>07:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She never cut the apron strings.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=470.26" target="_blank"><u>07:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wow.</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=472.36" target="_blank"><u>07:52</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And I had told her at one point, I was, my biggest fear was that when she was gone, he wouldn’t be able to take care of stuff. And he struggles...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/081-ive-got-the-world-by-the-tail]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">4b980054-cc7e-4ae6-b408-42bf97e0bf0f</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2019 07:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/73f1bc0b-71f0-41fa-926f-f0d597fad78e/081-ive-got-the-world-by-the-tail-final.mp3" length="42326228" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>44:05</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>4</itunes:season><itunes:episode>81</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>81</podcast:episode><podcast:season>4</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Sandee shared the story of her life with an adopted brother who was coddled by their mother, so much so, that it reinforced her own natural position as a Daddy’s girl. That favoritism forced Sandee’s independence from her mother, but also created a bit of a rift between them. Locating her birth mother happened very…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>081 – I’ve Got The World By The Tail</title><itunes:title>081 – I’ve Got The World By The Tail</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Sandee shared the story of her life with an adopted brother who was coddled by their mother, so much so, that it reinforced her own natural position as a Daddy’s girl. That favoritism forced Sandee’s independence from her mother, but also created a bit of a rift between them. Locating her birth mother happened very quickly once she was offered some search assistance. But when those same volunteers couldn’t find anything about her birth father, Sandee questioned whether her birth mother had been honest about her conception. Luckily, when the truth was finally revealed through DNA, Sandee’s life turned out to be proof of something her paternal half-sister already suspected.</p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.19" target="_blank"><u>00:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I had told her that we had made contact and that we talked on the phone and by text. I can remember telling her that and saying, are you going to be okay with that? And she said, well, I don’t have a choice now do I? And I was like, Ooh, I guess I didn’t handle this very well. And she was not good with it. It hurt her, which I hate that it hurt her, but at the same time it really had nothing to do with her.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.85" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.23" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Sandee. She called me from Arkansas. Sandee shared the story of her life with an adopted brother who was coddled by their mother. So much so that it reinforced her own natural position as daddy’s girl. Locating her birth mother happened very quickly once she was offered some search assistance, but when those same volunteers couldn’t find anything about her birth father Sandee questioned whether her birth mother had been honest about her conception. Luckily, when the truth was finally revealed through DNA, Sandee’s life turned out to be proof of something her paternal half sister already suspected. This is Sandee’s journey. First, Fun fact about Sandee, Her world revolves around animals.</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=103.6" target="_blank"><u>01:43</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I have seven dogs and four cats, two non releasable raccoons, and right now I’m babysitting my brother’s bird.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=111.82" target="_blank"><u>01:51</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You might hear a few of those guys contributing in the background of this episode. Sandee told me she grew up with one brother who was also adopted. She said she could remember the day when she was about seven, her brother was about nine, and their parents called the children into their bedroom for a talk. When they revealed the kids were adopted, she really didn’t understand. They were just their parents’ kids.</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=135.04" target="_blank"><u>02:15</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Uh, I find it very annoying when, when the news stories, will talk about whatever celebrity and their adopted child. It’s not their adopted child, it’s just their child.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=144.55" target="_blank"><u>02:24</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah that’s right.</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=144.55" target="_blank"><u>02:24</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It doesn’t matter if it’s adopted, it’s just their child.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=148.86" target="_blank"><u>02:28</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Sandee had a good upbringing with probably the same levels of dysfunction that many families have, no matter how they were formed.</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=156.15" target="_blank"><u>02:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was daddy’s girl all the way, which is good because my brother was and, until my mom died, a Mama’s boy. Although it, it did make having a good relationship with my mom difficult.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=169.84" target="_blank"><u>02:49</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;How so?</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=169.84" target="_blank"><u>02:49</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She was always there for him, always. Whatever he needed, whatever he wanted. But that didn’t leave her as available for me, which is why I went closer to my dad. My brother and I, we fought like cats and dogs our entire lives. And I, I can remember, you know, he used to, he used to bully me. He used to terrorize me. Um, cause both my parents worked. So after school, you know, I would find any after school activities so I didn’t have to go home until mom and dad got home from work. I can remember one time my mom saying to me, well, if he hit you, you must’ve been asking for it. And later in life I thought, yeah, that’s what you want to teach your daughter that you’re asking for it, if a guy hits you.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=226.69" target="_blank"><u>03:46</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That’s a horrible message.</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandee shared the story of her life with an adopted brother who was coddled by their mother, so much so, that it reinforced her own natural position as a Daddy’s girl. That favoritism forced Sandee’s independence from her mother, but also created a bit of a rift between them. Locating her birth mother happened very quickly once she was offered some search assistance. But when those same volunteers couldn’t find anything about her birth father, Sandee questioned whether her birth mother had been honest about her conception. Luckily, when the truth was finally revealed through DNA, Sandee’s life turned out to be proof of something her paternal half-sister already suspected.</p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.19" target="_blank"><u>00:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I had told her that we had made contact and that we talked on the phone and by text. I can remember telling her that and saying, are you going to be okay with that? And she said, well, I don’t have a choice now do I? And I was like, Ooh, I guess I didn’t handle this very well. And she was not good with it. It hurt her, which I hate that it hurt her, but at the same time it really had nothing to do with her.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.85" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.23" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Sandee. She called me from Arkansas. Sandee shared the story of her life with an adopted brother who was coddled by their mother. So much so that it reinforced her own natural position as daddy’s girl. Locating her birth mother happened very quickly once she was offered some search assistance, but when those same volunteers couldn’t find anything about her birth father Sandee questioned whether her birth mother had been honest about her conception. Luckily, when the truth was finally revealed through DNA, Sandee’s life turned out to be proof of something her paternal half sister already suspected. This is Sandee’s journey. First, Fun fact about Sandee, Her world revolves around animals.</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=103.6" target="_blank"><u>01:43</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I have seven dogs and four cats, two non releasable raccoons, and right now I’m babysitting my brother’s bird.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=111.82" target="_blank"><u>01:51</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You might hear a few of those guys contributing in the background of this episode. Sandee told me she grew up with one brother who was also adopted. She said she could remember the day when she was about seven, her brother was about nine, and their parents called the children into their bedroom for a talk. When they revealed the kids were adopted, she really didn’t understand. They were just their parents’ kids.</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=135.04" target="_blank"><u>02:15</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Uh, I find it very annoying when, when the news stories, will talk about whatever celebrity and their adopted child. It’s not their adopted child, it’s just their child.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=144.55" target="_blank"><u>02:24</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah that’s right.</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=144.55" target="_blank"><u>02:24</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It doesn’t matter if it’s adopted, it’s just their child.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=148.86" target="_blank"><u>02:28</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Sandee had a good upbringing with probably the same levels of dysfunction that many families have, no matter how they were formed.</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=156.15" target="_blank"><u>02:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was daddy’s girl all the way, which is good because my brother was and, until my mom died, a Mama’s boy. Although it, it did make having a good relationship with my mom difficult.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=169.84" target="_blank"><u>02:49</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;How so?</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=169.84" target="_blank"><u>02:49</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She was always there for him, always. Whatever he needed, whatever he wanted. But that didn’t leave her as available for me, which is why I went closer to my dad. My brother and I, we fought like cats and dogs our entire lives. And I, I can remember, you know, he used to, he used to bully me. He used to terrorize me. Um, cause both my parents worked. So after school, you know, I would find any after school activities so I didn’t have to go home until mom and dad got home from work. I can remember one time my mom saying to me, well, if he hit you, you must’ve been asking for it. And later in life I thought, yeah, that’s what you want to teach your daughter that you’re asking for it, if a guy hits you.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=226.69" target="_blank"><u>03:46</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That’s a horrible message.</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=226.69" target="_blank"><u>03:46</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. Yeah. But I don’t think my mom had ever been hit by a guy, so I don’t think she, she thought of it that way. And let’s face it, you know, my brother was the golden child in her eyes.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=241.41" target="_blank"><u>04:01</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Did her favoritism for him overshadow your father’s favoritism for you or your, you know what I mean? Like was hers so powerful that it was, you know, cast a shadow over your relationship with your dad at all? Do you know what I mean?</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=260.26" target="_blank"><u>04:20</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I know one time my mom asked my dad why he always took my side and he said, well, probably because you always take his side. So I think it, I think it turned out to be a balancing thing. But with my mom always being busy with my brother and always doing for my brother and having basically not a whole lot left for me, and this is not to say that she didn’t love me. She truly did. And I’ve talked about this with a friend of mine who was adopted because her mom had the same relationship with her brother. It’s not that we were stronger and didn’t need you as much, it’s that we didn’t get you as much, so we became stronger.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=308.11" target="_blank"><u>05:08</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh, that’s really interesting. Let me ask, you know, one of the classic things that I think of, you know, with a mother daughter relationship is when a young lady sort of comes of age, so to speak, there’s certain things that women need to talk about behind a closed door that dads are not going to be very good at. How were those discussions with your mom if you guys weren’t that close?</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=328.28" target="_blank"><u>05:28</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I remember we had them, once, but it was not comfortable and I can remember not having a clue what she was talking about when I left. You know when when the conversation was over,</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=342.44" target="_blank"><u>05:42</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;she was so uncomfortable that she didn’t really sort of bring you in and make you understand the content of the conversation?</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=349.29" target="_blank"><u>05:49</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Right. I learned it the old fashioned way, from my friends. You know we and that’s okay. That was far comfortable than than it would’ve been with mom.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=360.44" target="_blank"><u>06:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;How was your father’s relationship with your brother?</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=364.23" target="_blank"><u>06:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Not very good. Not very good.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=366.9" target="_blank"><u>06:06</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;In what ways?</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=368.31" target="_blank"><u>06:08</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think my dad felt like mom’s priority was my brother over my Dad. Where two parents should have a unified front with their children, but I think she, he felt like mom would always choose Kevin instead of him</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=391.18" target="_blank"><u>06:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;in her twenties, Sandee’s father disclosed that when her parents adopted her brother, his wife told him that if he ever laid a hand on her son, she would leave him. Sandee thinks that comment stems from what her mother knew about the abuse her father received from his parents as a child. Her mother was setting the tone right off the bat. Her father also shared with her that when her mom was a teen, she became pregnant. Her mother went and lived with her sister and brother in law in Texas, had the baby and gave it up for adoption. Sandee believes that baby was a boy and her brother was somehow intended to replace the baby she gave up. Her mother never said a word about it, but little bits of information she learned from her mom, who had no idea she knew, seemed to fit. Sandee said her parents had a great marriage. She just thinks that her father gave in a lot to satisfy her mother’s desire to care for her brother, which she basically did until her death in 2015. Sandee and her brother are both adults, so I asked her what she meant when she said her mother cared for her adult brother. Sandee said her mother bought her brother his home, financed his business, bought his groceries, and paid his utility bills.</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=467.92" target="_blank"><u>07:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She never cut the apron strings.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=470.26" target="_blank"><u>07:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wow.</p><p>Sandee:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/CsX-0KQm4fTelAWz6m9iosMwpPwhzl6GyEiBGVwP6QVUPCsDpEgy_I0rHd-vzjybtvgzPMQqPurnYz6xi9V1TId9Nnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=472.36" target="_blank"><u>07:52</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And I had told her at one point, I was, my biggest fear was that when she was gone, he wouldn’t be able to take care of stuff. And he struggles...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/081-ive-got-the-world-by-the-tail-2]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2336</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2019 07:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/e91b0427-c19f-4ad7-b451-69376b1ac773/081-ive-got-the-world-by-the-tail-final.mp3" length="42326228" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>44:05</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>4</itunes:season><itunes:episode>81</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>81</podcast:episode><podcast:season>4</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Sandee shared the story of her life with an adopted brother who was coddled by their mother, so much so, that it reinforced her own natural position as a Daddy’s girl. That favoritism forced Sandee’s independence from her mother, but also created a bit of a rift between them. Locating her birth mother happened very…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>078 – I’m In Recovery, I’m In A Good Place</title><itunes:title>078 – I’m In Recovery, I’m In A Good Place</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>&nbsp;</p><p>Megan grew up in an affluent suburb of Chicago and was comfortable with her adoption, but curious about her start in life. After&nbsp;pregnancy,&nbsp;“I struggled with mental health problems and became addicted to narcotics and anti-anxiety meds.” When she met her&nbsp;maternal relatives, things went well until her aunt shunned her for her addiction recovery. On her paternal side, that same news,&nbsp;being in recovery, was met with acceptance, because&nbsp;we all have our challenges. More than anything, Megan is thankful to finally have a sister, and it’s someone listeners already know. (http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/071-i-would-give-anything-to-hear-his-voice/)</p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Megan:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.55" target="_blank"><u>00:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Am I opening up my heart to this woman who is just gonna stomp on it? Do I let myself accept the love that’s coming at me and just take it at face value and so that’s what I decided to do, but I was not going to make, you know, midnight pilgrimage to Chicago to meet them. Because I’ve been hurt. You know what I mean? I’ve been really hurt by my birth mother’s side of the family.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.8" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.13" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Megan. She called me from Minneapolis, Minnesota. Megan grew up in an affluent suburb of Chicago and was comfortable with her adoption but curious about her start in life. When she met her maternal relatives, things went well until her aunt shunned her for her addiction recovery. On her paternal side, that same news was met with acceptance because we all have our challenges, but more than anything, Megan is thankful to finally have a sister and it’s someone listeners already know. This is Megan’s journey</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=94.22" target="_blank"><u>01:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Megan grew up in Beverly, an affluent neighborhood on the south side of Chicago. She’s the oldest of three children in her family, all adopted, raised strict Irish Catholic. Megan says she was told she was adopted from as far back as she can remember and it was something to be proud of.</p><p>Megan:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=110.95" target="_blank"><u>01:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I remember my mom, um, telling stories to my younger brothers and myself about how she had prayed to God and God blessed her with three beautiful children and it sticks in my head. The neighborhood I grew up in, there were a lot of adopted children, so we knew, we knew and initially we knew we were different because it was brought up to us. Oh, they’re not your real parents. And as we kind of figured out the other children who are adopted, we kind of realized we weren’t different we were special, you know, our parents loved us so much that they prayed for us. And, and you know, we were chosen to be in this family.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=157.17" target="_blank"><u>02:37</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Megan was adopted through an adoption agency called The Cradle. So was her middle brother and a lot of the children in her community. Her father was a lawyer, her mother was a stay at home mom and the children didn’t want for anything. But ultimately the longing Megan felt was for her greater understanding of herself. For example, she wanted to know things about herself, like who she got her physical features from,</p><p>Megan:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=180.26" target="_blank"><u>03:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;those types of questions came up in college. I was an RA in, at college in my first two years of college I went to St Louis University. And that’s a private Jesuit College Catholic. And um, one of the girls on the unit was an RA and she became pregnant. And that kind of brought up a lot of questions because she made her decision, which was her decision. It’s her body, her choice, the whole nine yards. But I started thinking about my birth mother and you know, this was, I was born in 74. So this was, you know, this was right around Roe vs Wade and you know, she could have made a different decision. She didn’t have to put me up for adoption. And so I just started wondering about who this person was and I kind of, I kind of built her up in my head. She was this great, wonderful selfless person who, you know, got pregnant unexpectedly and wanted the best for me and decided to put me up for adoption.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=247.08" target="_blank"><u>04:07</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So in 1994, Megan was watching an episode of the Oprah Winfrey Show where she talked about an adoptee’s legal entitlement to obtain non identifying information. Mentioning that Illinois is one of those states where that’s possible. Megan wrote a letter to The Cradle, identifying herself, her parents, and requesting information on her birth mother. They mailed back a packet of information to her home during the summer of 1994. When Megan got home from work one day her parents were sitting together in the living room awaiting her arrival.</p><p>Megan:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=277.66" target="_blank"><u>04:37</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And my dad said, Megan is there something you want to tell me, something you want to ask me? And I’m like, oh my God, what did I do?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=284.75" target="_blank"><u>04:44</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Her father pulled out the envelope and asked again if there was anything she wanted to ask them. She really felt like she was in deep trouble because she didn’t tell her parents that she was launching a search.</p><p>Megan:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=295.81" target="_blank"><u>04:55</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I didn’t tell them that I was doing this. This was, this was something I did and I didn’t...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&nbsp;</p><p>Megan grew up in an affluent suburb of Chicago and was comfortable with her adoption, but curious about her start in life. After&nbsp;pregnancy,&nbsp;“I struggled with mental health problems and became addicted to narcotics and anti-anxiety meds.” When she met her&nbsp;maternal relatives, things went well until her aunt shunned her for her addiction recovery. On her paternal side, that same news,&nbsp;being in recovery, was met with acceptance, because&nbsp;we all have our challenges. More than anything, Megan is thankful to finally have a sister, and it’s someone listeners already know. (http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/071-i-would-give-anything-to-hear-his-voice/)</p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Megan:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.55" target="_blank"><u>00:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Am I opening up my heart to this woman who is just gonna stomp on it? Do I let myself accept the love that’s coming at me and just take it at face value and so that’s what I decided to do, but I was not going to make, you know, midnight pilgrimage to Chicago to meet them. Because I’ve been hurt. You know what I mean? I’ve been really hurt by my birth mother’s side of the family.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.8" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.13" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and on today’s show is Megan. She called me from Minneapolis, Minnesota. Megan grew up in an affluent suburb of Chicago and was comfortable with her adoption but curious about her start in life. When she met her maternal relatives, things went well until her aunt shunned her for her addiction recovery. On her paternal side, that same news was met with acceptance because we all have our challenges, but more than anything, Megan is thankful to finally have a sister and it’s someone listeners already know. This is Megan’s journey</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=94.22" target="_blank"><u>01:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Megan grew up in Beverly, an affluent neighborhood on the south side of Chicago. She’s the oldest of three children in her family, all adopted, raised strict Irish Catholic. Megan says she was told she was adopted from as far back as she can remember and it was something to be proud of.</p><p>Megan:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=110.95" target="_blank"><u>01:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I remember my mom, um, telling stories to my younger brothers and myself about how she had prayed to God and God blessed her with three beautiful children and it sticks in my head. The neighborhood I grew up in, there were a lot of adopted children, so we knew, we knew and initially we knew we were different because it was brought up to us. Oh, they’re not your real parents. And as we kind of figured out the other children who are adopted, we kind of realized we weren’t different we were special, you know, our parents loved us so much that they prayed for us. And, and you know, we were chosen to be in this family.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=157.17" target="_blank"><u>02:37</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Megan was adopted through an adoption agency called The Cradle. So was her middle brother and a lot of the children in her community. Her father was a lawyer, her mother was a stay at home mom and the children didn’t want for anything. But ultimately the longing Megan felt was for her greater understanding of herself. For example, she wanted to know things about herself, like who she got her physical features from,</p><p>Megan:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=180.26" target="_blank"><u>03:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;those types of questions came up in college. I was an RA in, at college in my first two years of college I went to St Louis University. And that’s a private Jesuit College Catholic. And um, one of the girls on the unit was an RA and she became pregnant. And that kind of brought up a lot of questions because she made her decision, which was her decision. It’s her body, her choice, the whole nine yards. But I started thinking about my birth mother and you know, this was, I was born in 74. So this was, you know, this was right around Roe vs Wade and you know, she could have made a different decision. She didn’t have to put me up for adoption. And so I just started wondering about who this person was and I kind of, I kind of built her up in my head. She was this great, wonderful selfless person who, you know, got pregnant unexpectedly and wanted the best for me and decided to put me up for adoption.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=247.08" target="_blank"><u>04:07</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So in 1994, Megan was watching an episode of the Oprah Winfrey Show where she talked about an adoptee’s legal entitlement to obtain non identifying information. Mentioning that Illinois is one of those states where that’s possible. Megan wrote a letter to The Cradle, identifying herself, her parents, and requesting information on her birth mother. They mailed back a packet of information to her home during the summer of 1994. When Megan got home from work one day her parents were sitting together in the living room awaiting her arrival.</p><p>Megan:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=277.66" target="_blank"><u>04:37</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And my dad said, Megan is there something you want to tell me, something you want to ask me? And I’m like, oh my God, what did I do?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=284.75" target="_blank"><u>04:44</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Her father pulled out the envelope and asked again if there was anything she wanted to ask them. She really felt like she was in deep trouble because she didn’t tell her parents that she was launching a search.</p><p>Megan:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=295.81" target="_blank"><u>04:55</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I didn’t tell them that I was doing this. This was, this was something I did and I didn’t want to hurt them, you know, I didn’t want them to think that I didn’t love them anymore. You know, that I said that because I was searching for this information, that it meant that I loved them any less. Um, and I sat down with my mom and dad and my mom was crying and you know, it was a good conversation and my dad said, what do you want to know? And I just told him, I said, I want to know who she is. I want to know, do I look like her? You know, I just have all these questions. And I rattled off this list of things that I wanted and he said, well, I can help you with one thing. And I said, oh, okay. He says, Do you want to know her name?</p><p>Megan:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=344.62" target="_blank"><u>05:44</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And I was like, it was a private adoption, like my adoption was closed. It says it right in my paperwork. Well, my dad was a lawyer and he happened to know the lawyer who worked at the adoption agency, so he and my mom were there the day that they terminated my biological mother and father’s parental rights, so he heard the name and it was an odd name. It wasn’t, it wasn’t like Smith or Jones. It was a unique name, and so he remembered it all those years. He remembered it, which is ironic now because my father passed away from early onset Alzheimer’s disease.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=385.14" target="_blank"><u>06:25</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh, so that information could have left him. Wow.</p><p>Megan:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=389.44" target="_blank"><u>06:29</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Absolutely. Absolutely.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=391.91" target="_blank"><u>06:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Megan was 20 at the time of that conversation, she told me she also hadn’t spoken with her siblings, who were adopted, about her desire to search. She didn’t want to spark a bunch of searches and make her parents feel badly. I circled back to something Megan said before that her neighborhood was affluent and there was a large population of adopted children in it. I asked if she thought there was a correlation between that collective affluence and the rate of adoption in those neighboring families and she said, yes. We chatted about how much it can cost to complete an adoption and the business that adoption has turned into in many cases,</p><p>Megan:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=427.52" target="_blank"><u>07:07</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;it’s not something that a family that is completely loving and would be tremendous parenst to a child are able to afford. It no matter how you adopt a child, it’s a wonderful experience. But it’s unfortunate that those without the means to afford it financially are unable to do what other people that happen to have $30,000 lying around are able to.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=459.01" target="_blank"><u>07:39</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I mean the idea that a person could have, you know, most love in their heart, the most altruistic vision and no financial means to complete an adoption versus somebody who, as you know, I’ve interviewed on the podcast many times, parents who are not fit to be parents but are in a position of affluence and can afford it end up with more than one child in many cases and sometimes those children are miserable.</p><p>Megan:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=490.87" target="_blank"><u>08:10</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Look at my half sister, Amanda. I mean, look what she went through. My heart breaks for her.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=496.46" target="_blank"><u>08:16</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Did you hear that? Remember that name, Amanda, we’ll come back to her in a few minutes. Let’s go back to the living room where Megan’s parents have confronted her about her envelope. Her mother is crying, but</p><p>Megan:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=508.77" target="_blank"><u>08:28</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;they were, they were good tears. She wasn’t, she wasn’t, you know, wasn’t coming from, from a place of sadness was, she was happy for me almost. You know, that, that I was getting to know this piece, this information as, as minimalistic as the page and the information was, I had some information, you know, so we sat down and we read it together.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=534.14" target="_blank"><u>08:54</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Megan learned her mother was four foot six inches tall and had worked odd jobs and the documentation explained the woman’s social and family history. But what shocked Megan the most was.</p><p>Megan:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=545.07" target="_blank"><u>09:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;it said that I had a half sibling. It didn’t say brother or sister, it’s just that I had a half sibling who was placed production in 1978 and so, you know, instantly in the, in addition to who, who are my biological parents, well, Holy Shit. Now I have, I have a sibling?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=565.23" target="_blank"><u>09:25</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Right? Mind blowing.</p><p>Megan:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/-eyfsyoEzJftmV5oq7Q7Y_HAXFV7ReXqF38W8AT7LmTUx568IL0Qv78WkT5LdNRlSwbc1DvosQRG71ajs9pFYLIeSmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=569.47" target="_blank"><u>09:29</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Like, okay. Holy Shit, number one. Number two. Um, why did no one notify my parents that I had a sibling.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/078-im-in-recovery-im-in-a-good-place]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2320</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/50f4ea14-d27c-4c82-b99a-d1f87f795e14/Vq244pUKL3Pj4R3NNB0_dCpM.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2019 07:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/3b168e36-14ee-4a9b-8165-1af3f010aa09/078-im-in-recovery-im-in-a-good-place-final.mp3" length="43561723" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>45:23</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>4</itunes:season><itunes:episode>78</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>78</podcast:episode><podcast:season>4</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Megan grew up in an affluent suburb of Chicago and was comfortable with her adoption, but curious about her start in life. After pregnancy, “I struggled with mental health problems and became addicted to narcotics and anti-anxiety meds.” When she met her maternal relatives, things went well until her aunt shunned her for her addiction recovery. On…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>071 – I Would Give Anything To Hear His Voice</title><itunes:title>071 – I Would Give Anything To Hear His Voice</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Amanda describes her childhood with a father she considered to be a hero and a&nbsp;mother&nbsp;whom she loves despite her physical and&nbsp;mental abuse while showing favoritism toward her sister.&nbsp;She always wanted to search for her birth parents, scouring her house for&nbsp;information&nbsp;about herself when she was a kid. Unable to endure the abuse against herself and her brother Amanda called social services, after which she was disowned. When she finally obtained her adoption records she found one birth parent was deceased, and the other didn’t want contact yet.</p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Amanda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.26" target="_blank"><u>00:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I want him to contact me when he wants to be a part of my life. We’ll get to know me, but it still hurts because I talked to the brothers all the time and I’m like, why can’t he just pick up the phone and just call me or or even returning email. It would be wonderful to just have something. It’s just like don’t silence it. It is so, so I would just give anything to hear his voice.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.97" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I in mind?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.26" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Amanda. She called me from Mount Horeb, Wisconsin. Amanda is originally from Milwaukee, Wisconsin and she says, even though she lives in the country, you still can’t get the city out of her. Amanda describes a childhood with her father. She considered to be a hero into mother whom she loves despite her physical and mental abuse, while showing favoritism toward her sister. She always wanted to search for her birth parents, scouring her house for information about herself when she was a kid. When she finally obtained her records, she found one birth parent was deceased and the other not wanting contact yet. This is Amanda’s journey. Amanda was born in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, the second baby to her 23 year old birth mother, but she was placed in foster care when she was nine months old.</p><p>Amanda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=108.79" target="_blank"><u>01:48</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My mom actually gave me upon her own volition initially because she thought that I would be better off with someone else because she just was having a tough time with it and actually it was good that she did because apparently when they did the intake or weighed like 12 pounds, so I was severely malnourished. And so then when I went to foster care, of course, you know I bolt right up, ya know, because they were feeding me, but I remember my foster parents. Well, my foster mother, I remember her to be very loving and very attentive even though she had, I don’t even know how many other kids she had in the house, but there were quite a few. But uh, Ken and Jean Newsome were my foster parents.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=156.84" target="_blank"><u>02:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That’s interesting that you have memories of them. How long were you with them?</p><p>Amanda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=161.89" target="_blank"><u>02:41</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Till? I was three and a half.</p><p>New Speaker:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=163.16" target="_blank"><u>02:43</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh Wow. So some of your formative years were spent with them. Were spent?</p><p>Amanda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=168.97" target="_blank"><u>02:48</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=169.74" target="_blank"><u>02:49</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wow.</p><p>Amanda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=170.12" target="_blank"><u>02:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. But my biological mom was involved. Um, it took that long to terminate her rights. And what makes the most interesting is that my mom’s case for involuntary termination of parental rights was the first in our state that was actually successful in 1978.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=190.66" target="_blank"><u>03:10</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Your mother was the first successful case of the state terminating a parent’s rights.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=200.23" target="_blank"><u>03:20</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Amanda has read her file and learned that her birth mother was offered mental health assistance back in 1978. She was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder,</p><p>Amanda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=211.05" target="_blank"><u>03:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She suffered a very traumatic childhood herself. So when I read all that it kind of just put everything together for me as far as why she was the way she was. Why she did the things that she did. For instance, my case worker, in some of the case notes, I noticed that there was some conversation with my birth mother where she had said she had noticed that I was sucking my thumb and she goes, “well, I thought I cured the child with that”, and a case worker was perplexed and She asked what my mom meant by that, and she goes, well, I tied her hands behind her back. Oh boy. Then she said also that she had shaved my head as an infant thinking my hair grow back faster, so she has some very interesting ideations about how to change things. For...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amanda describes her childhood with a father she considered to be a hero and a&nbsp;mother&nbsp;whom she loves despite her physical and&nbsp;mental abuse while showing favoritism toward her sister.&nbsp;She always wanted to search for her birth parents, scouring her house for&nbsp;information&nbsp;about herself when she was a kid. Unable to endure the abuse against herself and her brother Amanda called social services, after which she was disowned. When she finally obtained her adoption records she found one birth parent was deceased, and the other didn’t want contact yet.</p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Amanda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.26" target="_blank"><u>00:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I want him to contact me when he wants to be a part of my life. We’ll get to know me, but it still hurts because I talked to the brothers all the time and I’m like, why can’t he just pick up the phone and just call me or or even returning email. It would be wonderful to just have something. It’s just like don’t silence it. It is so, so I would just give anything to hear his voice.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.97" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I in mind?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.26" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Amanda. She called me from Mount Horeb, Wisconsin. Amanda is originally from Milwaukee, Wisconsin and she says, even though she lives in the country, you still can’t get the city out of her. Amanda describes a childhood with her father. She considered to be a hero into mother whom she loves despite her physical and mental abuse, while showing favoritism toward her sister. She always wanted to search for her birth parents, scouring her house for information about herself when she was a kid. When she finally obtained her records, she found one birth parent was deceased and the other not wanting contact yet. This is Amanda’s journey. Amanda was born in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, the second baby to her 23 year old birth mother, but she was placed in foster care when she was nine months old.</p><p>Amanda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=108.79" target="_blank"><u>01:48</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My mom actually gave me upon her own volition initially because she thought that I would be better off with someone else because she just was having a tough time with it and actually it was good that she did because apparently when they did the intake or weighed like 12 pounds, so I was severely malnourished. And so then when I went to foster care, of course, you know I bolt right up, ya know, because they were feeding me, but I remember my foster parents. Well, my foster mother, I remember her to be very loving and very attentive even though she had, I don’t even know how many other kids she had in the house, but there were quite a few. But uh, Ken and Jean Newsome were my foster parents.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=156.84" target="_blank"><u>02:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That’s interesting that you have memories of them. How long were you with them?</p><p>Amanda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=161.89" target="_blank"><u>02:41</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Till? I was three and a half.</p><p>New Speaker:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=163.16" target="_blank"><u>02:43</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh Wow. So some of your formative years were spent with them. Were spent?</p><p>Amanda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=168.97" target="_blank"><u>02:48</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=169.74" target="_blank"><u>02:49</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wow.</p><p>Amanda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=170.12" target="_blank"><u>02:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. But my biological mom was involved. Um, it took that long to terminate her rights. And what makes the most interesting is that my mom’s case for involuntary termination of parental rights was the first in our state that was actually successful in 1978.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=190.66" target="_blank"><u>03:10</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Your mother was the first successful case of the state terminating a parent’s rights.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=200.23" target="_blank"><u>03:20</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Amanda has read her file and learned that her birth mother was offered mental health assistance back in 1978. She was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder,</p><p>Amanda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=211.05" target="_blank"><u>03:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She suffered a very traumatic childhood herself. So when I read all that it kind of just put everything together for me as far as why she was the way she was. Why she did the things that she did. For instance, my case worker, in some of the case notes, I noticed that there was some conversation with my birth mother where she had said she had noticed that I was sucking my thumb and she goes, “well, I thought I cured the child with that”, and a case worker was perplexed and She asked what my mom meant by that, and she goes, well, I tied her hands behind her back. Oh boy. Then she said also that she had shaved my head as an infant thinking my hair grow back faster, so she has some very interesting ideations about how to change things. For instance,</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=261.5" target="_blank"><u>04:21</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Amanda believes that with appropriate medications and supports, perhaps she could have done better as a mother, but that’s a hard thing to speculate. She mentioned that her birth mother was involved in her life while she was in foster care. Apparently there was a period when the woman was living in the home with Amanda, but not for very long. Something went awry with the foster mother and not long after that her birth mother’s rights were terminated.</p><p>Amanda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=285.9" target="_blank"><u>04:45</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I, I believe that she did. She did want me. I just think that she gave up because she felt that she just really wasn’t going to win no matter how hard she tried.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=296.07" target="_blank"><u>04:56</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She says she has memories of what her foster mother looked like and recall spending one of her early birthdays with Jean, but she couldn’t recall what her birth mother looked like at all. Her birth mother’s parental rights were terminated in 1978 and Amanda was adopted about one year later, then moved to Milwaukee. But remember, Amanda was nearly four when she left Osh Kosh with her adopted parents. So she recalls leaving her foster home.</p><p>Amanda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=322.83" target="_blank"><u>05:22</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And I remember I was sitting in the backseat of the car facing the wrong way, facing back in the back and actually up against the back of the seat looking out the window. And um, and I remember I had big tears rolling down my cheeks and I couldn’t. I couldn’t cry out loud because I didn’t wan them to hear me because…</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=346.53" target="_blank"><u>05:46</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You remember that feeling?</p><p>Amanda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=346.65" target="_blank"><u>05:46</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I do. So I think the fear was that if they heard me or saw was that they might want to get rid of me too. And that’s something that I carried with me my whole life. Yeah, that fear.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=363.15" target="_blank"><u>06:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So even as a toddler, and it sounds like about four years old, you had the sense that going with these new parents was not necessarily final that they… If they determined that you were in any way undesirable, they could send you back and you didn’t want that. So you. You held your emotions back.</p><p>Amanda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=390.15" target="_blank"><u>06:30</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;mmmhmmm….That’s something I was trained to do as a kid. I couldn’t eat. I couldn’t react to stuff at least down in front of them. My bedroom, while It was a place of punishment most times. It was also a place of solace for me because it was a place where I could express myself without any recourse.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=409.64" target="_blank"><u>06:49</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She says her childhood was hard because there was a lot of competition with her siblings, especially her sister who were adopted after her. Amanda said she was an awful student in school, but she loved to go to school because it was an escape. She connected with the adults at school better than she connected with her own parents, sometimes. Amanda was in special Ed classes because she had what was later determined to be attention deficit disorder. She did well on standardized tests, just not in her studies. So Amanda believes the masking of her emotions and her learned behaviors were part of what morphed into perceived learning disabilities. At home. The kids were involved in a lot of sports, like golf. It was the one space where Amanda could feel good about herself despite her mother’s unkind words.</p><p>Amanda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=458.69" target="_blank"><u>07:38</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I guess I use golf as kind of a way to show my mom up (laughs) because for whatever reason I have a stronger upper body than she does and um, so by the time I reached a certain age I could really hit the ball, you know, kind of John Daly style. I could just just really know, smack it out of the field and it used to it… I don’t know why it brought me joy that a preterm her, but it was just the one thing that I was good at. She couldn’t, she couldn’t cut me down for, you know what I mean? And so I always, you know, if I hit that ball $250, I was happy. If it went in the woods drilling, that’s funny.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=500.93" target="_blank"><u>08:20</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, what I was going to ask was you said you used the words. It was the one thing she couldn’t cut me down for. What does that mean? How would she cut you down?</p><p>Amanda:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/IRGJyNHhZZ-HJe2cZGIaBhw4e-slB9clARrNi2YnhjDsxFJboTis30siPbDjEotqxP67TA4jxIGXsRM6A5S3znZ0xmQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=512.3" target="_blank"><u>08:32</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It was awful that way. When I hit puberty, I dealt with my weight. My weight was always a hard thing to deal with after puberty and so she would… She would find a way to use that against me in any way she could like if a friend and I switched clothes She would tell me in front of my friends that I looked fat in those clubs and then she would kind of tell me almost on a daily basis that I was fat and stupid and she would call me other words and those things really resonated with me my entire life. When I found something that I was good at that I knew she couldn’t put me down for. I really, I really just tried to use that so that those things would shine as opposed to the negative, you know, and I was hoping that that would bring her some sort of way to give me a compliment to make me feel good about myself, but she never did. Not until even now, it’s hard to get a good compliment out of her, but she made it really hard, grow up in that house and, and aside from that, you know, like I said, the struggle with the sister, she was...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/071-i-would-give-anything-to-hear-his-voice-2]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2230</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2018 05:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/3ee629be-f8b7-410c-8c56-96ef90d5673c/071-i-would-give-anything-to-hear-his-voice-final.mp3" length="44361699" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>46:13</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>3</itunes:season><itunes:episode>71</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>71</podcast:episode><podcast:season>3</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Amanda describes her childhood with a father she considered to be a hero and a mother whom she loves despite her physical and mental abuse while showing favoritism toward her sister. She always wanted to search for her birth parents, scouring her house for information about herself when she was a kid. Unable to endure the abuse against herself and her…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>068 – I Don’t Feel Lost, I Know Where I Come From</title><itunes:title>068 – I Don’t Feel Lost, I Know Where I Come From</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Daniela was born in a small mining town in Chile. Adopted by a&nbsp;German family who moved from South America to Miami, she never felt like she belonged. While struggling as a teenager and burning to know more about her own heritage she was psychoanalyzed and medicated by doctors, and she wanted to end it all. When she found her maternal sisters online their reunion in Chile was lovely. Later when Daniela’s paternal sisters found her online, the maternal&nbsp;family&nbsp;said they never wanted to&nbsp;hear from her again. Daniela’s reunion with her paternal family has helped her get in touch with her roots and feel whole for the first time in her life.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Daniela:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.59" target="_blank"><u>00:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was so, so happy. I was so excited, so happy. My sisters were like, Oh, well, we never did get the results. Let us know. First, let her go first. So first thing I did is I let my sister know and I shouldn’t have done that. Why is that? What happened? Anything turned from them. Everything true and it went from. It went from everything was great and framing. We were really good with each other to to them shutting the door on me and never speaking to me again.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.93" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who Am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.2" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and today you’ll meet Daniela. She was born in Chile. Daniela was adopted by a German family who later moved to Miami. She was out of place in her family and out of place in a new country during her teen years. She was seen as a problem given psychotherapy and medicated when in reality she was just passionate in her own self expression. In her twenties, she was able to locate her biological mother and sisters back in Chile and they began a wonderful reunion, but when Daniela discovered her birth father’s true identity, her maternal side turned their backs for good. In the end, Daniela is very thankful for what she now knows about herself as a native Chilean. This is Daniela’s journey. Daniela was born in Coronel. Her mother was low income and it was common for babies to be adopted by foreigners.</p><p>Daniela:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=113.89" target="_blank"><u>01:53</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She had a social worker come to her regularly to check up on her, on her pregnancy, uh in those times I guess adoption was big to give babies to foreigners, German families. It was common, so I was, yes, I was adopted, so at three days old I was given away to a German family, lived with them in South America for a couple years till I was seven. I was always told I was adopted. I just always thought I was… I was told I was special and everything was fine. I believe that whole special story until I started going to school and sharing the fact that I was special</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=154.39" target="_blank"><u>02:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;and how did that go?</p><p>Daniela:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=156.53" target="_blank"><u>02:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh yeah, no, that wasn’t good. I was like, Oh, I’m special because I’m adopted. Their reaction and started getting from people. Wasn’t you’re special Sorry. Oh, are you okay? Are you sad? Do you know your mom? And that’s when I started thinking, hmm, when I was seven years old, I was like, I don’t know my mom. I’m… This is a sad reaction. Maybe I should be sad. I don’t know. I maybe I am sad. That’s when I started kind of exploring my own feelings into how I really felt about adoption.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=186.111" target="_blank"><u>03:06</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Daniela said she never felt like she belonged. Keep in mind she’s a Latina woman in a German family. All of the conversations about how her adopted brother looked like her adopted mother would never apply to her. Interestingly, she did have a Chilean aunt who was adopted by Daniela’s grandmother. She was abused and she lays so she chose to flee the country. When Daniella grandmother left, I went back to Daniela’s mother circumstances for a moment because it struck me that the social worker visited her more than once and it sounded like there was a system for getting foreign families, Chilean babies. It sounded predatory to me. So I asked Daniela about it.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=226.61" target="_blank"><u>03:46</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I got the sense from what you described with your birth mother that she was solicited by the social worker and like they were watching her and</p><p>Daniela:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=238.09" target="_blank"><u>03:58</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yes, Yes, yeah.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=238.81" target="_blank"><u>03:58</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Really? So it was very predatory social worker there?</p><p>Daniela:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=243.741" target="_blank"><u>04:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yes, that’s where she met my birth mother told me in the beginning when, when we, um, when we spoke, when she would speak with me, yeah, she told me that the social worker would come around, basically started making rounds through the trich and visit her quite often telling her, you know, that she could give me a better life than she would give me up and all these things because she doesn’t have their resources. And, and that’s how it was in those days.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=269.44" target="_blank"><u>04:29</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Coercion. Around what year was this? 1986...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniela was born in a small mining town in Chile. Adopted by a&nbsp;German family who moved from South America to Miami, she never felt like she belonged. While struggling as a teenager and burning to know more about her own heritage she was psychoanalyzed and medicated by doctors, and she wanted to end it all. When she found her maternal sisters online their reunion in Chile was lovely. Later when Daniela’s paternal sisters found her online, the maternal&nbsp;family&nbsp;said they never wanted to&nbsp;hear from her again. Daniela’s reunion with her paternal family has helped her get in touch with her roots and feel whole for the first time in her life.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><a href="#" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Daniela:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.59" target="_blank"><u>00:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was so, so happy. I was so excited, so happy. My sisters were like, Oh, well, we never did get the results. Let us know. First, let her go first. So first thing I did is I let my sister know and I shouldn’t have done that. Why is that? What happened? Anything turned from them. Everything true and it went from. It went from everything was great and framing. We were really good with each other to to them shutting the door on me and never speaking to me again.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.93" target="_blank"><u>00:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who Am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=47.2" target="_blank"><u>00:47</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis and today you’ll meet Daniela. She was born in Chile. Daniela was adopted by a German family who later moved to Miami. She was out of place in her family and out of place in a new country during her teen years. She was seen as a problem given psychotherapy and medicated when in reality she was just passionate in her own self expression. In her twenties, she was able to locate her biological mother and sisters back in Chile and they began a wonderful reunion, but when Daniela discovered her birth father’s true identity, her maternal side turned their backs for good. In the end, Daniela is very thankful for what she now knows about herself as a native Chilean. This is Daniela’s journey. Daniela was born in Coronel. Her mother was low income and it was common for babies to be adopted by foreigners.</p><p>Daniela:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=113.89" target="_blank"><u>01:53</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She had a social worker come to her regularly to check up on her, on her pregnancy, uh in those times I guess adoption was big to give babies to foreigners, German families. It was common, so I was, yes, I was adopted, so at three days old I was given away to a German family, lived with them in South America for a couple years till I was seven. I was always told I was adopted. I just always thought I was… I was told I was special and everything was fine. I believe that whole special story until I started going to school and sharing the fact that I was special</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=154.39" target="_blank"><u>02:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;and how did that go?</p><p>Daniela:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=156.53" target="_blank"><u>02:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh yeah, no, that wasn’t good. I was like, Oh, I’m special because I’m adopted. Their reaction and started getting from people. Wasn’t you’re special Sorry. Oh, are you okay? Are you sad? Do you know your mom? And that’s when I started thinking, hmm, when I was seven years old, I was like, I don’t know my mom. I’m… This is a sad reaction. Maybe I should be sad. I don’t know. I maybe I am sad. That’s when I started kind of exploring my own feelings into how I really felt about adoption.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=186.111" target="_blank"><u>03:06</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Daniela said she never felt like she belonged. Keep in mind she’s a Latina woman in a German family. All of the conversations about how her adopted brother looked like her adopted mother would never apply to her. Interestingly, she did have a Chilean aunt who was adopted by Daniela’s grandmother. She was abused and she lays so she chose to flee the country. When Daniella grandmother left, I went back to Daniela’s mother circumstances for a moment because it struck me that the social worker visited her more than once and it sounded like there was a system for getting foreign families, Chilean babies. It sounded predatory to me. So I asked Daniela about it.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=226.61" target="_blank"><u>03:46</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I got the sense from what you described with your birth mother that she was solicited by the social worker and like they were watching her and</p><p>Daniela:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=238.09" target="_blank"><u>03:58</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yes, Yes, yeah.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=238.81" target="_blank"><u>03:58</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Really? So it was very predatory social worker there?</p><p>Daniela:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=243.741" target="_blank"><u>04:03</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yes, that’s where she met my birth mother told me in the beginning when, when we, um, when we spoke, when she would speak with me, yeah, she told me that the social worker would come around, basically started making rounds through the trich and visit her quite often telling her, you know, that she could give me a better life than she would give me up and all these things because she doesn’t have their resources. And, and that’s how it was in those days.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=269.44" target="_blank"><u>04:29</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Coercion. Around what year was this? 1986 Okay, Wow.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=275.79" target="_blank"><u>04:35</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Daniela lived in Chile with her new family for seven years until they relocated to Miami, Florida. That’s where things went from bad to worse for Daniela. She was in a family that she didn’t look like in a country that was unfamiliar and her teenage years were around the corner. She was struggling mentally and her family knew it. The differences between Daniela and her family were becoming more apparent.</p><p>Daniela:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=299.35" target="_blank"><u>04:59</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I just went from not wanting to completely lost and my adopted family started taking me to see therapists and psychologists growing up. Um, because see, it’s different when it’s culturally different. I express myself in a different manner. Of course, I come from a different culture. My German family, they express themselves differently, so I was very extreme to them so they resorted to medication and psychologists. I was always kind of considered unstable.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=333.22" target="_blank"><u>05:33</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;When I hear you say that I have my own preconceived notions about someone of South American descent versus someone of white European descent. But I want to hear how you would describe the differences in how you express yourself versus how they express themselves.</p><p>Daniela:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=353.19" target="_blank"><u>05:53</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Where it always went wrong was when we disagreed on things and me, I express myself. I’m, I’m very passionate. Um, I wear all my emotions on my sleeve and that’s just not growing up. I always thought there was something wrong with me because I was like that because I was very expressive and I’m passionate. You know, when I get a when there was a disagreement. I show it with my body, with my facial expressions. My voice can get louder, but it’s not necessarily in a hateful way. It’s more just I’m passionate about what I’m seeing, you know, I, you know, I, I it differently. My whole body expresses itself differently and yeah, exactly. And my adopted family, they are more reserved, very German, straight to the point. There is no expression in the way they move. It’s just a different way. So I was always different. I was always, it was something wrong with me because of the way I was.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=410.14" target="_blank"><u>06:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She says therapy was a tough experience for her because she was forced to acknowledge her feelings that she felt her life was purchased.</p><p>Daniela:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=417.58" target="_blank"><u>06:57</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Looking back now, I see how I can see how, how I like, how, how, how sad it really was because I remember one time my therapist asked me to draw how I felt and I drew. I remember drawing nothing, just better black circle because I didn’t want to be there and I was angry. I would tell her how I felt that I was bought. I was chosen because my parents wanted a girl, so they went to the hospital and looked for a girl. They wanted a baby girl, not a grown girl, so they got a baby girl, you know, had they wanted a boy, they would have gotten a boy and it’s like going to the pet store and choosing the puppy that you want female or male or. I always felt bought.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=456.69" target="_blank"><u>07:36</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She was prescribed medications for happiness, antidepressants, concentration and all kinds of conditions until she was 13. Around that time, Daniela was getting wise to the language of therapists, but she learned the hard way. What kinds of things to say and what language to avoid?</p><p>Daniela:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=474.31" target="_blank"><u>07:54</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, I remember one time backlashing and being completely open because he told you to tell them everything and, and I did and I told him how I would get really sad and I felt like I don’t belong and I don’t want to be a part of the world and, and everything went crazy. Then my parents started to watch me all the time making sure the door was open, my privacy was completely gone. It’s like I got penalized for being honest.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=496.09" target="_blank"><u>08:16</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You were on a suicide watch.</p><p>Daniela:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=497.86" target="_blank"><u>08:17</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Correct. So that’s when I learned. Okay. I can’t be completely honest.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=502.4" target="_blank"><u>08:22</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. Yeah. You, you learned very quickly. I’ll never say that again.</p><p>Daniela:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=506.38" target="_blank"><u>08:26</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Exactly. Yeah. Knowing I was, I was very. I mean I was very depressed. The older I got, the worst it got. I was in the hospital, you know, I did. I did try, did, didn’t care about myself.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/RRbcGb20W_9itOY_Vs6f3vX2I2nhim4fGydOcalLuQBC7BiD0CUlJ1T8eWDC3y8gKtQR4sxdcizJN2r8_qQfAqgzCb8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=518.74" target="_blank"><u>08:38</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You attempted suicide?</p><p>Daniela:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/068-i-dont-feel-lost-i-know-where-i-come-from-2]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2216</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2018 05:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/51547025-0b69-4101-bb23-a3496b916060/068-i-dont-feel-lost-i-know-where-i-come-from-final.mp3" length="40717580" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>42:25</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>3</itunes:season><itunes:episode>68</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>68</podcast:episode><podcast:season>3</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Daniela was born in a small mining town in Chile. Adopted by a German family who moved from South America to Miami, she never felt like she belonged. While struggling as a teenager and burning to know more about her own heritage she was psychoanalyzed and medicated by doctors, and she wanted to end it all.…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>058 – I Feel Like I’ve Found My Tribe</title><itunes:title>058 – I Feel Like I’ve Found My Tribe</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Nicole was adopted into a military family, the structure of which ran against her freewheeling nature. She’s an interracial woman with interracial adopted parents, so they looked like a natural family. In reunion, Nicole is&nbsp;facing secondary rejection from her birth mother, but her maternal grandparents and uncle have accepted her with open arms. She’s&nbsp;learned that her birth father wanted to keep her, and her paternal family feels so natural, Nicole feels like she’s&nbsp;found her tribe.</p><p><a href="\&quot;#\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Nicole:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=5.48\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I feel like I’ve found my tribe. These are, these are the people that like I fit. I feel like I’ve found peace within myself because it’s not who am I really? It’s it’s I am me and I’m who I’m always supposed to have been. It was just put in a different family.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.98\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:30</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=42.26\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:42</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Nicole. She called me from the terrible rush hour traffic in downtown Atlanta, Georgia. She was raised in the south, but her mixed racial heritage partially originates from Germany by way of the Commonwealth of Virginia, a state we’re in adoptees. Legal rights to obtain their original birth information are extremely prohibitive in reunion. She’s exercising patience with her birth mother as she waits to be revealed to her maternal siblings, but she’s also surrounded by love and acceptance by other family members on both sides. This is Nicole’s journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=90.39\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:30</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Nicole was born in Virginia, adopted after three months in foster care. She is a woman of mixed race and she was adopted into a mixed race family. Her mother is white from Germany, her father is African American from Boston, and she grew up in a military family.</p><p>Nicole:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=106.51\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:46</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You know, growing up it was, it was pretty normal. Adoption was like, you know, I was a typical day, you know, in the fog adoptee. That makes me special. And it was one of those things where, I mean, it was it really necessary to talk about, you know, it was, I’m adopted and that’s what it is. And you know, here’s our family.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=129.29\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Did you have siblings?</p><p>Nicole:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=130.93\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:10</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;No, I’m an only child. So my parents actually adopted me when they were both in their late thirties. Um, they just could not, could not have children. My mom had a lot of miscarriages and stillbirths. Um, so they went the adoption route and you know, growing up in a mixed race family it, it just seemed normal. I fit.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=154.19\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Her father had been in the military for more than 20 years by the time they adopted Nicole. So they put down roots in Atlanta, ending the usual repetitive relocations that military families often endure. They wanted to give Nicole a place to feel grounded. They lived off base, but they were still surrounded by military families, which meant a wide array of family mixtures. Many of them with German spouses. Nicole’s parents sent her to the German School of Atlanta on Saturdays because her adopted grandmother really wanted to be able to speak with her granddaughter in her native language. Sometimes adopt these don’t necessarily identify with the culture they’re introduced to when they’re adopted. So I asked Nicole how she identified with Germany.</p><p>Nicole:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=199.46\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:19</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh, I am. I’m very proud German. It was never a thing. I mean obviously it was odd, you know, going to Germany and being the only brown skinned kid running around with all of the cousins. Very concentrated white area in the small villages. But other than that it was normal. I felt like I fit.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=228.17\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:48</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Did you go to Germany often?</p><p>Nicole:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=233.52\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:53</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Every Summer my mother and I would go.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=234.82\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:54</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What was it like for you there? Tell me more about being this brown child running around as the only person of color, Probably, in the in the area.</p><p>Nicole:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicole was adopted into a military family, the structure of which ran against her freewheeling nature. She’s an interracial woman with interracial adopted parents, so they looked like a natural family. In reunion, Nicole is&nbsp;facing secondary rejection from her birth mother, but her maternal grandparents and uncle have accepted her with open arms. She’s&nbsp;learned that her birth father wanted to keep her, and her paternal family feels so natural, Nicole feels like she’s&nbsp;found her tribe.</p><p><a href="\&quot;#\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Read Full Transcript</a>Nicole:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=5.48\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I feel like I’ve found my tribe. These are, these are the people that like I fit. I feel like I’ve found peace within myself because it’s not who am I really? It’s it’s I am me and I’m who I’m always supposed to have been. It was just put in a different family.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.98\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:30</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=42.26\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:42</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Nicole. She called me from the terrible rush hour traffic in downtown Atlanta, Georgia. She was raised in the south, but her mixed racial heritage partially originates from Germany by way of the Commonwealth of Virginia, a state we’re in adoptees. Legal rights to obtain their original birth information are extremely prohibitive in reunion. She’s exercising patience with her birth mother as she waits to be revealed to her maternal siblings, but she’s also surrounded by love and acceptance by other family members on both sides. This is Nicole’s journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=90.39\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:30</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Nicole was born in Virginia, adopted after three months in foster care. She is a woman of mixed race and she was adopted into a mixed race family. Her mother is white from Germany, her father is African American from Boston, and she grew up in a military family.</p><p>Nicole:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=106.51\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:46</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You know, growing up it was, it was pretty normal. Adoption was like, you know, I was a typical day, you know, in the fog adoptee. That makes me special. And it was one of those things where, I mean, it was it really necessary to talk about, you know, it was, I’m adopted and that’s what it is. And you know, here’s our family.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=129.29\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Did you have siblings?</p><p>Nicole:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=130.93\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:10</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;No, I’m an only child. So my parents actually adopted me when they were both in their late thirties. Um, they just could not, could not have children. My mom had a lot of miscarriages and stillbirths. Um, so they went the adoption route and you know, growing up in a mixed race family it, it just seemed normal. I fit.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=154.19\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Her father had been in the military for more than 20 years by the time they adopted Nicole. So they put down roots in Atlanta, ending the usual repetitive relocations that military families often endure. They wanted to give Nicole a place to feel grounded. They lived off base, but they were still surrounded by military families, which meant a wide array of family mixtures. Many of them with German spouses. Nicole’s parents sent her to the German School of Atlanta on Saturdays because her adopted grandmother really wanted to be able to speak with her granddaughter in her native language. Sometimes adopt these don’t necessarily identify with the culture they’re introduced to when they’re adopted. So I asked Nicole how she identified with Germany.</p><p>Nicole:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=199.46\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:19</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh, I am. I’m very proud German. It was never a thing. I mean obviously it was odd, you know, going to Germany and being the only brown skinned kid running around with all of the cousins. Very concentrated white area in the small villages. But other than that it was normal. I felt like I fit.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=228.17\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:48</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Did you go to Germany often?</p><p>Nicole:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=233.52\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:53</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Every Summer my mother and I would go.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=234.82\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:54</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What was it like for you there? Tell me more about being this brown child running around as the only person of color, Probably, in the in the area.</p><p>Nicole:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=245.25\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I guess to me, because like I said, for my family made it very normal. Um, I did have a cousin and she was also mixed race military as well, but she grew up in Germany rather than moving to the states. Her mom stayed in Germany, so like I said it, it was just boggling normal. I mean, I guess it was, I noticed that I kind of stuck out of. But it, to me it was like, Oh, you know, I’m the special kid, you know, I’m the one brown kid here, here in Germany. Of course everybody was fascinated with my hair and, and all of that, but it was, it was just very, very normal.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=283.23\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:43</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Nicole’s interracial heredity meant she really looked like she could be the product of her adopted parents. They even have little inside jokes and the family about her resemblance to her father’s distant relatives who were also mixed race. Some of them passing for white. A lot of adoptees have that joke or sometimes irritation at the constant reminder that they couldn’t possibly look like their relatives because they were adopted. Of course, their families resemblance made it hard to convince her friends. She was telling the truth when she revealed she was an adoptee</p><p>Nicole:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=314.91\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:14</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;and my friends, some of them just didn’t believe that I was adopted. You know, there’s no way you’re adopted. You look just like your family. And I’ve looked. My Dad told them that I’m adopted and he goes, oh, maybe she was. Maybe she was on. That was our joke.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=332.14\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:32</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It’s funny in they’re ask. So you’ve talked a little bit about your German orientation, but tell me about your father. He’s black from Boston. What did he, what did he introduce for you in terms of culture and how did you deal with sort of racial identity growing up in general?</p><p>Nicole:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=350.7\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:50</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think it was more so. He didn’t really touch on waste to entirely much, but his sister, he funny enough, his sisters also adopted. Their mother was a widow and they were adopted by my grandfather and they actually had the choice to be adopted and some of them decided to be adopted and others did not, but they were big on kind of bringing me into the African American culture. And they were very insistent that when it came time for college that, you know, we have to, you have to tour the black colleges in the area, um, you know, uh, you know, reminding me of how to take care of my hair because my mom tried to, but she wasn’t, she didn’t really know how to take care of my hair other than like let’s slap a relaxer in it and keep it straight so, you know, they, they were a big part of that as well as my grandmother because, you know, we would go to Germany every summer, but we also went up to Virginia and I would stay with her for two or three weeks. Um, so my dad’s mom, my grandmother was very big into kind of reminding me of embedded into the culture and going to the very typical black churches participating in a the choir and all of that. So I got it pretty good on bedside. Yeah, there is a reason I feel like there is a reason I was put into the family that I was in because there’s too many small little coincidences within my biological and adoptive family.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=440.26\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:20</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It sounded to me like Nicole was perfectly comfortable right where she was so naturally. I was curious about what made her want to search. She said it’s always been something she wanted to do and her parents were well aware. Her mother used to joke with her and in certain situations that she must be just like her biological mother</p><p>Nicole:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=459.2\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:39</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;because I was this loud boisterous child of in you know a very buttoned up military family and very strict rules and here’s this artsy kid and where is she getting it from?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=472.17\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:52</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;when Nicole turned 18, she was moving out of the house, but she also contacted Catholic charities to request the documents necessary to start her search. But listen to how she talks about the experience.</p><p>Nicole:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=486.8\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:06</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;$500 fine that you have to get the paperwork moving out of the house. $500 is not something easily come by .</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=498.73\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:18</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It’s funny that you used the word fine also, right? They would call it a fee, but you very much feel like it’s a fine for finding your own identity, Huh?</p><p>Nicole:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=507.85\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:27</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. I mean that’s what it really feels like. And I had my first son when I was 19 years old, so that was the same age that my birth mother was when she had me so and I actually considered an adoption plan for him, but thinking about just to me, the hell that she went through and those feelings. I couldn’t do it because they’re going to make it work, we’re absolutely going to make it work.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="\&quot;https://www.temi.com/editor/t/g2GjmI3vJaPsf6GUuYV7yWNgT-tJ2wwWzSguVKLccn43yZFmjUk8XbX9oww2OixF0wqECgXKv8bayCs1Ftv_J6F0CU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=534.71\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer"...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/058-i-feel-like-ive-found-my-tribe]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2069</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2018 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ddf5f106-cbd8-48fb-9f27-01e09fb4fc54/058-i-feel-like-ive-found-my-tribe-final.mp3" length="48478171" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>50:30</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>58</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>58</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Nicole was adopted into a military family, the structure of which ran against her freewheeling nature. She’s an interracial woman with interracial adopted parents, so they looked like a natural family. In reunion, Nicole is facing secondary rejection from her birth mother, but her maternal grandparents and uncle have accepted her with open arms. She’s learned that…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>057 -My Acceptance Is Etched In Stone</title><itunes:title>057 -My Acceptance Is Etched In Stone</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Kendra’s story is filled with peaks and valleys of emotion.&nbsp;After running far, far away in her teens, Kendra’s adopted mother blamed her for her adopted father’s demise.&nbsp;She and her mother were estranged for years until her adopted&nbsp;mother’s mortality changed their relationship.&nbsp;In reunion, her birth mother accepted her return but kept Kendra a secret.&nbsp;Decades later she had an amazing reunion with her siblings, only to find things were turning upside down at home.</p><p><a href=\"#\" target=\"_blank\">Read Full Transcript</a>Kendra:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=5.05\" target=\"_blank\"><u>00:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think that’s why I never really talked about my childhood with my kids. I just thought I’m just going to lock it up, you know, weld it behind this gate and it’s never. It can’t hurt if I don’t talk about it and that was a colossal parenting mistake. I do not recommend doing that at all because it will all come doubling up to the surface when you least expect it.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=31.05\" target=\"_blank\"><u>00:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=42.34\" target=\"_blank\"><u>00:42</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Kendra. Kendra lives near Palm Springs, California. Her story is filled with peaks and valleys of emotion. After running far, far away, Kendra’s adopted. Mother blamed her for her adopted father’s demise. She and her mother were estranged for years until her adopted mother’s mortality changed their relationship. In reunion Her birth mother accepted her return, but kept Kendra a secret. Then decades later, she had an amazing reunion with her siblings only to find things were turning upside down at home. This is Kendra’s journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=94.06\" target=\"_blank\"><u>01:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Kendra was adopted after one week of life in 1965. Her parents planned on adopting another little boy, but unfortunately they divorced, so Kendra was an only child. She grew up in Torrance, California, and she remembers the day she was told that she was adopted and how she was made to feel.</p><p>Kendra:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=113.54\" target=\"_blank\"><u>01:53</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I grew up in only child and my mother was an identical twin and her identical twin had a daughter who is nine months older than I was and so that was interesting. I was told I was adopted when I was four years old and it. It kinda came up one day when we were out shopping and my aunt was talking about having my cousin and I asked my mom got having me and I can see the eyes that darted and I knew something was up so they told me, Oh, you’re special chosen. We picked you. I got that speech and I didn’t really know what they were talking about, but the way they said it to me, so special and beautiful like a princess, you know, but yet there was this look in their eyes, like don’t ask any other questions about it. So I thought, well, I’ll get somebody else to explain it to me.</p><p>Kendra:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=161.72\" target=\"_blank\"><u>02:41</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And I started telling people I was adopted and he would get these horrified look on their faces. Like, oh my goodness, I can’t believe you’re admitting that to me. And that confused me even more. And then one day my mom overheard me telling somebody and she snatched me up by my elbow and said, that’s a private family matter we don’t talk to people about that. So I was completely, I was confused. You told me something that was so beautiful and exciting and then now it’s this, this, this horrible thing. I’m not supposed to tell anybody. What does it mean? And I, I was just, I couldn’t believe it. And I thought I had figured it out one night at dinner because we went out to dinner and she said, I think I’ll choose the special and when my mom ordered chicken, I kid you not. I thought I hatched like an egg for about three years. I did. I thought I had like an egg. No wonder she didn’t want anybody to know.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=220.88\" target=\"_blank\"><u>03:40</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Kendra attended Chadwick school. The school is featured in the 1981 movie mommy dearest based on the book by Christina Crawford. Christina portrayed her life of physical and mental abuse at the hands of her mother, the famous Hollywood actress Joan Crawford. June, believed her own tough upbringing, made her into the woman she was, but she was unable to have children, was viewed unfavorably by adoption agencies for her multiple divorces and her status as a single woman. So she secured the services of an adoption broker who helped her adopt, Christina and three others.</p><p>Kendra:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=257.48\" target=\"_blank\"><u>04:17</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And matter of fact, I remember, Christina Crawford, who wrote the book “Mommy Dearest”. The book came out in 19- Oh gosh, I don’t know, 78, something like that. And I remember my mom was horrified. you know she couldn’t believe that she would write such a book that she couldn’t even defend herself. Joan Crawford, and I remember thinking to myself that if she, you know, the book never would have been written and so we never talked about our opposing views on that, on that book, but I can remember that having kind of an impact on me and probably by that time I had figured out what, what adopted meant, that there was another woman and she gave birth to me and I always knew I would search. I knew, I always knew I wanted to know why?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=302.44\" target=\"_blank\"><u>05:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was really curious about Kendra’s mother who had a twin sister who had her own biological daughter. You’ve probably experienced with twins, that people are always searching for the ways that they’re alike. That was true for Kendra’s mother and her sister and the search for likenesses even cascaded down to Kendra’s cousin, but no one could ever make the family comparisons with Kendra,</p><p>Kendra:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=324.78\" target=\"_blank\"><u>05:24</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Like, my mother being an identical twin. The looking for similarities you know, I mean, they looked so much like that you’re always searching to...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kendra’s story is filled with peaks and valleys of emotion.&nbsp;After running far, far away in her teens, Kendra’s adopted mother blamed her for her adopted father’s demise.&nbsp;She and her mother were estranged for years until her adopted&nbsp;mother’s mortality changed their relationship.&nbsp;In reunion, her birth mother accepted her return but kept Kendra a secret.&nbsp;Decades later she had an amazing reunion with her siblings, only to find things were turning upside down at home.</p><p><a href=\"#\" target=\"_blank\">Read Full Transcript</a>Kendra:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=5.05\" target=\"_blank\"><u>00:05</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think that’s why I never really talked about my childhood with my kids. I just thought I’m just going to lock it up, you know, weld it behind this gate and it’s never. It can’t hurt if I don’t talk about it and that was a colossal parenting mistake. I do not recommend doing that at all because it will all come doubling up to the surface when you least expect it.</p><p>Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=31.05\" target=\"_blank\"><u>00:31</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=42.34\" target=\"_blank\"><u>00:42</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I’m Damon Davis, and on today’s show is Kendra. Kendra lives near Palm Springs, California. Her story is filled with peaks and valleys of emotion. After running far, far away, Kendra’s adopted. Mother blamed her for her adopted father’s demise. She and her mother were estranged for years until her adopted mother’s mortality changed their relationship. In reunion Her birth mother accepted her return, but kept Kendra a secret. Then decades later, she had an amazing reunion with her siblings only to find things were turning upside down at home. This is Kendra’s journey.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=94.06\" target=\"_blank\"><u>01:34</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Kendra was adopted after one week of life in 1965. Her parents planned on adopting another little boy, but unfortunately they divorced, so Kendra was an only child. She grew up in Torrance, California, and she remembers the day she was told that she was adopted and how she was made to feel.</p><p>Kendra:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=113.54\" target=\"_blank\"><u>01:53</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I grew up in only child and my mother was an identical twin and her identical twin had a daughter who is nine months older than I was and so that was interesting. I was told I was adopted when I was four years old and it. It kinda came up one day when we were out shopping and my aunt was talking about having my cousin and I asked my mom got having me and I can see the eyes that darted and I knew something was up so they told me, Oh, you’re special chosen. We picked you. I got that speech and I didn’t really know what they were talking about, but the way they said it to me, so special and beautiful like a princess, you know, but yet there was this look in their eyes, like don’t ask any other questions about it. So I thought, well, I’ll get somebody else to explain it to me.</p><p>Kendra:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=161.72\" target=\"_blank\"><u>02:41</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And I started telling people I was adopted and he would get these horrified look on their faces. Like, oh my goodness, I can’t believe you’re admitting that to me. And that confused me even more. And then one day my mom overheard me telling somebody and she snatched me up by my elbow and said, that’s a private family matter we don’t talk to people about that. So I was completely, I was confused. You told me something that was so beautiful and exciting and then now it’s this, this, this horrible thing. I’m not supposed to tell anybody. What does it mean? And I, I was just, I couldn’t believe it. And I thought I had figured it out one night at dinner because we went out to dinner and she said, I think I’ll choose the special and when my mom ordered chicken, I kid you not. I thought I hatched like an egg for about three years. I did. I thought I had like an egg. No wonder she didn’t want anybody to know.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=220.88\" target=\"_blank\"><u>03:40</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Kendra attended Chadwick school. The school is featured in the 1981 movie mommy dearest based on the book by Christina Crawford. Christina portrayed her life of physical and mental abuse at the hands of her mother, the famous Hollywood actress Joan Crawford. June, believed her own tough upbringing, made her into the woman she was, but she was unable to have children, was viewed unfavorably by adoption agencies for her multiple divorces and her status as a single woman. So she secured the services of an adoption broker who helped her adopt, Christina and three others.</p><p>Kendra:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=257.48\" target=\"_blank\"><u>04:17</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And matter of fact, I remember, Christina Crawford, who wrote the book “Mommy Dearest”. The book came out in 19- Oh gosh, I don’t know, 78, something like that. And I remember my mom was horrified. you know she couldn’t believe that she would write such a book that she couldn’t even defend herself. Joan Crawford, and I remember thinking to myself that if she, you know, the book never would have been written and so we never talked about our opposing views on that, on that book, but I can remember that having kind of an impact on me and probably by that time I had figured out what, what adopted meant, that there was another woman and she gave birth to me and I always knew I would search. I knew, I always knew I wanted to know why?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=302.44\" target=\"_blank\"><u>05:02</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was really curious about Kendra’s mother who had a twin sister who had her own biological daughter. You’ve probably experienced with twins, that people are always searching for the ways that they’re alike. That was true for Kendra’s mother and her sister and the search for likenesses even cascaded down to Kendra’s cousin, but no one could ever make the family comparisons with Kendra,</p><p>Kendra:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=324.78\" target=\"_blank\"><u>05:24</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Like, my mother being an identical twin. The looking for similarities you know, I mean, they looked so much like that you’re always searching to try and find yourself in your family members and they would always talk about my cousin looking like this one or that one, and it stung, it hurt. You know I always searched for that for. I think that’s pretty common in adtopeess to seach for somebody who looks like you. It’s a yearning.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=351.54\" target=\"_blank\"><u>05:51</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Kendra’s mother was divorced and she remarried a widower. They moved into a big beautiful home and that was unsettling for Kendra.</p><p>Kendra:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=360.68\" target=\"_blank\"><u>06:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;For me, I was always scared in my childhood. I always felt really alone and especially when we moved into this big house master double doors would close every night and I felt so alone and so afraid in that big huge house.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=372.5\" target=\"_blank\"><u>06:12</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;her mother started her own business, so as an entrepreneur she was working 16 hour days. Of course, while her mother was working a lot and parental supervision was scarce, Kendra got into a little bit of trouble. She said it felt frustrating that she could never do anything right in her mother’s eyes. Her mother started sending her away every summer to relative’s houses and friends. It all made Kendra feel unwanted.</p><p>Kendra:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=398.64\" target=\"_blank\"><u>06:38</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I gotta tell you, I kind of felt like, like I was something that she had gotten that was supposed to be part of this beautiful dream for her and I was just a constant reminder of what she didn’t have the life that she didn’t. She didn’t get to have with my father, because he didn’t play by the rules.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=416.491\" target=\"_blank\"><u>06:56</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;How do you mean?</p><p>Kendra:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=419.041\" target=\"_blank\"><u>06:59</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My Dad, him and my mom thought that my father was going to have a political career and they were going to have a child and my father was kind of the cocktails after work and you know, he, he had girlfriends and you know, he had girls on this side and my mom finally had had enough and that’s when she left, you know, that’s not the way it was supposed to go down in her eyes. I think, you know, if he would have only played by the rules, they could have had this beautiful life together and he wouldn’t do it. Yeah. So I kind of felt like something she got saddled with when it didn’t work out. I don’t know how to explain that. Yeah.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=458.21\" target=\"_blank\"><u>07:38</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Her mother went on to be very successful at her escrow business and Kendra acknowledges that it must’ve been very difficult at that time when career development was not great for women. Still. Kendra was shuffled around in her freshman year of high school. She was sent to live with her father in Pasadena. It seemed like it would be great because she loved her dad and he was fun, but he was having medical issues at the time and he had set out to prove that he could parent Kendra more effectively than her mother. He clamped down on her grades and discipline, ending up at odds with one another, Kendra returned to her mother’s house.</p><p>Kendra:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=495.18\" target=\"_blank\"><u>08:15</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Then I went back to visit my father when my 10th grade year had started. And what happened was I went out with some friends and it got later and later and I was too scared to go home, and I ran away.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=510.48\" target=\"_blank\"><u>08:30</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Really? Were you up to something nefarious or had you just broken the rule so badly? And with each passing minute it got worse and worse?</p><p>Kendra:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=517.65\" target=\"_blank\"><u>08:37</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yes. That’s, that’s the way it felt but. Actualy a guy came by and um, we went to go do some stuff and go hang out and stuff and this was the guy in high school that I always wanted to date so to speak. And so I was having a great time and it just kept getting later and I’d already missed my best to go back home. I just was scared to death. I was just afraid. I knew I was going to get yelled at, I wasn’t going to get beat or anything, but I was just, I just got too scared to go home. And so I had a friend call my mom because I didn’t want her to think it was in a ditch somewhere and she lit into my friend like no other. And I was like, Oh, I’m definitely not going home now. Well, I ended up flying to Hawaii and staying with my best friend moved there and I. Yes. And I went and I got enrolled in private school and I was living life in Hawaii.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=567.84\" target=\"_blank\"><u>09:27</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What!?</p><p>Kendra:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=568.02\" target=\"_blank\"><u>09:28</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yes! My mom came and got me and then she sees my best friend’s parents were taking a minor against across state lines without parental consent. Oh my gosh.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8TlGoYskDpcebaWFxw6iouDT_QNs1r2AV7NOJMQs2yBUbToAT0O0LF3o0wXp0ZDAvQq33Ombe9qdMCS_0Tbb9EgLk58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=577.91\" target=\"_blank\"><u>09:37</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Kendra was gone for two months. She didn’t go home at all. Her mother found out that Kendra was in Hawaii after Kendra sent a letter to a friend and her friend...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/057-my-acceptance-is-etched-in-stone]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=2051</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2018 16:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/2bebbd6c-29f6-4aa5-9c39-fa3f69f06e83/057-my-acceptance-is-etched-in-stone-final.mp3" length="40688667" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>42:23</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>57</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>57</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Kendra’s story is filled with peaks and valleys of emotion. After running far, far away in her teens, Kendra’s adopted mother blamed her for her adopted father’s demise. She and her mother were estranged for years until her adopted mother’s mortality changed their relationship. In reunion, her birth mother accepted her return but kept Kendra a secret. Decades later she…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>052 – Little Who?</title><itunes:title>052 – Little Who?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Kandi grew up in a loving Christian home, an adoptee with one older sister who was biologically related to their parents. Kandi found her biological mother living in Gulf Port, Mississippi where she was lucky to spend time with the woman before losing her a few months later. Today, Kandi’s family reflects the structure of her own childhood—-she has 6 biological children, and one adopted daughter, who is actually her biological niece.</p><p>The post <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/052-3/\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">052 – Little Who?</a> appeared first on <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Kandi (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=3.69" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:03</a>):</p><p>I've never faulted her for putting me up for adoption. Like I always kind of rationalized that it was because she was too young and that's just kinda how I imagined it. You know, there was some circumstance that she loves me, but she wasn't in a position to raise me. And so I just, that's just kinda what I lived on. I never felt like I wasn't wanted to her.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=47.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:47</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=57.5" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:57</a>):</p><p>I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Kandi with a K kandi called me from Laurel Mississippi. She's a mother of seven children with a family composition, similar to her own as a child. One of her kiddos is adopted and the others are biological to herself. Kandi tells the tale of how that adoption came to be after guidance through prayer. Her good fortune to spend time with her birth mother before losing the woman and the forgiveness she holds in her heart for the man who forced her into this world. This is Kandi's journey. Kandi was born in Gulf port on the coast of Mississippi, but her story starts well before her own birth with her adopted mother. Back when she was a child around sixth grade as a part of a church program called girls in action, her mother's church took young girls to a home for unwed mothers. It's not clear to Kandi what the purpose of the trip was for the girls, but she does know it was impactful on her mother.</p><p>Kandi (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=119.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:59</a>):</p><p>And so my mom had gone and while she was visiting and looking around, she saw a baby in the nursery there. And, um, she promised God that when she grew up, she would adopt, she married her high school sweetheart. And they were told it would be very difficult for them to get pregnant, but they, um, tried anyway and finally had not oldest sister and no complications that the doctor was like, you know, you're not going to be able to get pregnant again. And this was just a, a one on one shot thing. And then after several years of not being able to get pregnant, they decided to start looking at adoption. It took about five years for them to finally get their hands on me. So I was only about, I would say, I think I was about 14 days old when I came home and the older sister by that time was 13 years old. And she was actually the first person that got to hold me. So that was really special for her and a lot of people because I had blonde hair and my, my sister had blonde hair. They always assumed that I was hers. But, um, she, she babysat me a lot and she just loved it. Well, this in, by the time, I guess I was about nine or 10 months, maybe even older, my mom found out she was pregnant. And so then she had a little sister that, um, uh, sandwiched between two biological children.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=213.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:33</a>):</p><p>Kandi always knew she was adopted. Her parents told her she was chosen special and God loved her. She remembers reading the book. Why was I adopted by Carolyn Eastman? Kandi said her mother did try to meet her curiosity about her adoption, but she thinks discussing it was hard on her mother. Sometimes</p><p>Kandi (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=233.61" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:53</a>):</p><p>I think she had a lot of fear that I would find my adopted family and leave her and run off with them. I guess, just irrational thoughts like that. That was kind of, you know, I never wanted to hurt her feelings and make her feel like she wasn't my mom or wasn't important because she very much was she, you know, made me who, uh, had a big part in who I am today.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=262.8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:22</a>):</p><p>Kandi knew she was a little different from her sisters, but the siblings were all treated the same and their family had a lot of love. She noted that there were some things that fulfilled her, that her adoptive family wasn't proficient at like art dance and music. Kandi said her mother had papers documenting her adoption from the Catholic diocese on the Gulf coast of Mississippi. So she suspected her birth mother was from that area whenever she was down there, she always looked around for someone who she thought looked like herself.</p><p>Kandi (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=296.22" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:56</a>):</p><p>My mom had papers. I remember she pulled out every once in a while when we would kind of look through them. And really the only thing it said was that she was an attractive young woman, you know, and that she liked art. And so I was like, I like, I love art. And I think it said something about her having curly hair. And I was like, Oh, I've got curly hair. I was the only one that had curly hair. And so I was just kind of, I don't know, identify with that, growing up. Um, my mother's father had a fishing camp in Gochez down in that area. And so when we'd go, we would, we would drive to Gulf port where they had a mall and I would always have work around to see if I ever saw anybody that looked like me. You know, I've never had anybody say, wow, you don't look like inviting your family.</p><p>Kandi (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=351.9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:51</a>):</p><p>But I never saw anybody that really looked like me. And so I wanted to, to assume that like, you know, like what my family was like my birth family. And when I was in college, I worked at a, a Baptist camp. I was at the Western stretches because so, um, some friends of mine had come to the mall, but that same mall that I would always look for birth family and they came back and they were like, Hey, we can file your sister. I mean, she looked just like you, you know? And, and, um, and they're like, is your sister in town? And I was like, well, maybe, and I just kind of looked puzzled and explained to them that, that I was adopted. And there there's a high probability that, that, um, there was some birth family somewhere on the coast. I could have a sister, I could have a brother, you know, I don't really know. I know it will. This girl, it looked like he, she had dark curly hair, you know, just like yours and found out later, once I did meet my birth family, they live like within walking distance to the mall and, and my half sister would go to the mall frequently.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=430.28" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:10</a>):</p><p>Is that right?</p><p>Kandi (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=430.28" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:10</a>):</p><p>That was probably her. Yeah. Yeah.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=439.64" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:19</a>):</p><p>Though, at the moment, did you, did you sort of cling to that? Like maybe they did see me. Did you have a feeling like an urge to run over?</p><p>Kandi (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=447.13" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:27</a>):</p><p>Yeah. I mean, I was, I was trying to always say, well, they, yeah, they probably did. I mean, I knew there was a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kandi grew up in a loving Christian home, an adoptee with one older sister who was biologically related to their parents. Kandi found her biological mother living in Gulf Port, Mississippi where she was lucky to spend time with the woman before losing her a few months later. Today, Kandi’s family reflects the structure of her own childhood—-she has 6 biological children, and one adopted daughter, who is actually her biological niece.</p><p>The post <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/052-3/\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">052 – Little Who?</a> appeared first on <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Kandi (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=3.69" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:03</a>):</p><p>I've never faulted her for putting me up for adoption. Like I always kind of rationalized that it was because she was too young and that's just kinda how I imagined it. You know, there was some circumstance that she loves me, but she wasn't in a position to raise me. And so I just, that's just kinda what I lived on. I never felt like I wasn't wanted to her.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=47.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:47</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=57.5" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:57</a>):</p><p>I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Kandi with a K kandi called me from Laurel Mississippi. She's a mother of seven children with a family composition, similar to her own as a child. One of her kiddos is adopted and the others are biological to herself. Kandi tells the tale of how that adoption came to be after guidance through prayer. Her good fortune to spend time with her birth mother before losing the woman and the forgiveness she holds in her heart for the man who forced her into this world. This is Kandi's journey. Kandi was born in Gulf port on the coast of Mississippi, but her story starts well before her own birth with her adopted mother. Back when she was a child around sixth grade as a part of a church program called girls in action, her mother's church took young girls to a home for unwed mothers. It's not clear to Kandi what the purpose of the trip was for the girls, but she does know it was impactful on her mother.</p><p>Kandi (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=119.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:59</a>):</p><p>And so my mom had gone and while she was visiting and looking around, she saw a baby in the nursery there. And, um, she promised God that when she grew up, she would adopt, she married her high school sweetheart. And they were told it would be very difficult for them to get pregnant, but they, um, tried anyway and finally had not oldest sister and no complications that the doctor was like, you know, you're not going to be able to get pregnant again. And this was just a, a one on one shot thing. And then after several years of not being able to get pregnant, they decided to start looking at adoption. It took about five years for them to finally get their hands on me. So I was only about, I would say, I think I was about 14 days old when I came home and the older sister by that time was 13 years old. And she was actually the first person that got to hold me. So that was really special for her and a lot of people because I had blonde hair and my, my sister had blonde hair. They always assumed that I was hers. But, um, she, she babysat me a lot and she just loved it. Well, this in, by the time, I guess I was about nine or 10 months, maybe even older, my mom found out she was pregnant. And so then she had a little sister that, um, uh, sandwiched between two biological children.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=213.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:33</a>):</p><p>Kandi always knew she was adopted. Her parents told her she was chosen special and God loved her. She remembers reading the book. Why was I adopted by Carolyn Eastman? Kandi said her mother did try to meet her curiosity about her adoption, but she thinks discussing it was hard on her mother. Sometimes</p><p>Kandi (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=233.61" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:53</a>):</p><p>I think she had a lot of fear that I would find my adopted family and leave her and run off with them. I guess, just irrational thoughts like that. That was kind of, you know, I never wanted to hurt her feelings and make her feel like she wasn't my mom or wasn't important because she very much was she, you know, made me who, uh, had a big part in who I am today.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=262.8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:22</a>):</p><p>Kandi knew she was a little different from her sisters, but the siblings were all treated the same and their family had a lot of love. She noted that there were some things that fulfilled her, that her adoptive family wasn't proficient at like art dance and music. Kandi said her mother had papers documenting her adoption from the Catholic diocese on the Gulf coast of Mississippi. So she suspected her birth mother was from that area whenever she was down there, she always looked around for someone who she thought looked like herself.</p><p>Kandi (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=296.22" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:56</a>):</p><p>My mom had papers. I remember she pulled out every once in a while when we would kind of look through them. And really the only thing it said was that she was an attractive young woman, you know, and that she liked art. And so I was like, I like, I love art. And I think it said something about her having curly hair. And I was like, Oh, I've got curly hair. I was the only one that had curly hair. And so I was just kind of, I don't know, identify with that, growing up. Um, my mother's father had a fishing camp in Gochez down in that area. And so when we'd go, we would, we would drive to Gulf port where they had a mall and I would always have work around to see if I ever saw anybody that looked like me. You know, I've never had anybody say, wow, you don't look like inviting your family.</p><p>Kandi (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=351.9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:51</a>):</p><p>But I never saw anybody that really looked like me. And so I wanted to, to assume that like, you know, like what my family was like my birth family. And when I was in college, I worked at a, a Baptist camp. I was at the Western stretches because so, um, some friends of mine had come to the mall, but that same mall that I would always look for birth family and they came back and they were like, Hey, we can file your sister. I mean, she looked just like you, you know? And, and, um, and they're like, is your sister in town? And I was like, well, maybe, and I just kind of looked puzzled and explained to them that, that I was adopted. And there there's a high probability that, that, um, there was some birth family somewhere on the coast. I could have a sister, I could have a brother, you know, I don't really know. I know it will. This girl, it looked like he, she had dark curly hair, you know, just like yours and found out later, once I did meet my birth family, they live like within walking distance to the mall and, and my half sister would go to the mall frequently.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=430.28" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:10</a>):</p><p>Is that right?</p><p>Kandi (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=430.28" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:10</a>):</p><p>That was probably her. Yeah. Yeah.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=439.64" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:19</a>):</p><p>Though, at the moment, did you, did you sort of cling to that? Like maybe they did see me. Did you have a feeling like an urge to run over?</p><p>Kandi (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=447.13" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:27</a>):</p><p>Yeah. I mean, I was, I was trying to always say, well, they, yeah, they probably did. I mean, I knew there was a possibility. So, you know, I was just telling you that probably. So</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=457.09" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:37</a>):</p><p>Kandi's mother told her that when she turned 18, she could search for her birth family. The Catholic diocese told her mother way back when that when the baby turned 18, she could submit a letter to the diocese to seek her out. They said, if they also had a letter from her, the mother, they would connect to the pair. But Kandi was in college when she was 18 years old, a time when she was focused on her future. So she didn't feel that urge to begin the search process. She said, when she was pregnant with her first child, she kind of started the search realizing that she didn't know anything about her own biological contribution to the child. So she did submit a letter to the Catholic diocese, but there was no letter on file from her birth mother. Therefore the diocese sent a copy of her deidentified information with the identifiable data redacted</p><p>Kandi (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=510.24" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:30</a>):</p><p>When I got it. Um, I had a very startling revelation that was included and I had no idea. My mom had no idea that my birth mother was only 17 and a junior in high school. And she was raped. It was that somebody in the military, well, he'd come through the back door of the home that she was staying in and he was intoxicated with something and raped her at knife point. And she was only 17. So when I read all this, you know, I was, I was pretty devastated, not so much for myself, but for her, you know, I just kept, I don't know, like I always had a fear of being raped so much that I would kind of obsessed about it when I was in high school. I kind of got over it when I was older. But when I read that, I was like, well, I wonder if that's why I was so obsessed with that fear or for, for a time when I was in high school. I just thought that was really odd.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=579.72" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:39</a>):</p><p>That is interesting.</p><p>Kandi (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=579.72" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:39</a>):</p><p>I mean, when I read that,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=581.96" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:41</a>):</p><p>That is the same time frame that she was attacked and that's what your fear was at its highest. And then it subsided.</p><p>Kandi (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=588.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:48</a>):</p><p>Yes. Yeah. I was really broken hearted for her that she has it endure all of that. And so I got to the very last page of all the information that they had given me, and they accidentally left her full name on the very last page.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=604.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:04</a>):</p><p>Wow. So in 2008, while pregnant with her first child Kandi obtained her full birth name, the story of how she came into the world and her birth mother's full name. She already figured out her mother was probably from the Gulf coast. So she took to social media to look for the woman and started digging through online resources on a yearbook website. She found her birth mother's name twice. Once for the year, she would have graduated. And once for the prior year, unsure which account to contact, she messaged them both. There was no response, but Kandi figured it had to be her mother suspecting that the woman may have dropped out of school. The year she was born, then re-enrolled after her birth Kandi found an online adoption registry that allowed her to identify herself and enter as much identifying information as possible. And she had a lot,</p><p>Kandi (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=662.66" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:02</a>):</p><p>I remember finding something where I could put in my information and what I knew about her and that I wasn't looking for her. And somehow my half brother found it. If he had been helping his mom look, you know, look too, and I guess he was just searching and found that I was looking for her for her. And the day I was born. And he was like, mom, I think this is her. She said, she looked at my name and was like, that's the girl that messaged me on yearbook that she saw my message, that she thought that I was just saying that that was somebody, her age being nosy, because my question was, did she ever put a baby up for adoption? And that's just kind of where I left it, you know? And so she messaged me back and was like, I did, you know, wait, when, when were you born? And so we, we started corresponding through yearbook and then we exchanged numbers. And so, um, that was a very exciting time to think, wow, I finally, I finally found her, you know, we found each other on Facebook and looking at her picture of like, wow, it looks so much like her, you know, it's just crazy.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=747.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:27</a>):</p><p>And you look just like her, what did that feel like for you?</p><p>Kandi (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=752.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:32</a>):</p><p>That was really cool. I don't know. She's beautiful as I was like, wow, you know, I have a lot to look forward to</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=764.55" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:44</a>):</p><p>At the time, Kandi didn't know that it was her half-brother who found her online. Her birth mother told her that story. Sometime later Kandi said she saw elements of herself in her mother's Facebook profile, like her creative nature. She dressed differently in outfits full of color, just like candy was known for in high school. After messaging back and forth, the mother and daughter pair arranged to meet halfway between their homes in Hattiesburg. Kandi lived in the Northern Delta. Her mother was still in Gulf port. Her birth mother brought her husband Kandi, brought her husband and her son, the woman's one year old grandson.</p><p>Kandi (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=804.74" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:24</a>):</p><p>It was just really kind of surreal. Right. When I, when I saw her for the first time in person and we hugged and it was just, it was really cool, you know, to see parts of me and her and her face and her smile and some of the gestures, like things that she does when she talks, you know, I do the same thing. It's just really odd. It helps you to see how much is nature versus nurture, you know?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=834.63" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:54</a>):</p><p>Yeah. Yeah. It's really crazy. Kandi says she and her birth mother hit it off and got along. Well, she tried to be respectful of her own mom and not dive into a relationship with her birth mother. So they took things slowly. Kandi's mom wanted to meet her birth mother, but her mom's struggles with anxiety that she wasn't able to work through. So she just wasn't ready.</p><p>Kandi (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/9xfYamO-8CQmDKsgAVwYJiSsHvPQIM5qkWl2SyXL0jVOuKdIDFmp0bjieFCB2gpQZasllBL185p34hv7cTmm5-IQQzI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=858" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">14:18</a>):</p><p>It was a lot of drama after I had met my birth mom, because my family was very possessive of me. They didn't want to share me. And so, because I didn't meet each other right off, there was a lot of irrational ideas in their heads about how my birth family was going to be and how they were gonna react. And, you know, just everything I guess. And so there was a lot of bickering amongst my, my family and my birth family is just misunderstanding. They thought they knew what somebody meant by a comment, you know? And so it was, you know, they had to eventually just stopped being friends on Facebook. So that everybody could get along. And so that was really, really hard because I mean, I could see where both sides were coming from and I wanted them all to get to know each other because I knew they would love each other. So that was hard. Um,</p><p>Damon (<a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/052-little-who]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1925</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2018 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/fde1511a-cc3f-4d61-906e-5d59fe515cf0/052-kandi-bass-final.mp3" length="38253935" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>39:51</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>52</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>52</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Kandice grew up in a loving Christian home, an adoptee with one older sister who was biologically related to their parents. Kandic found her biological mother living in Gulf Port, Mississippi where she was lucky to spend time with the woman before losing her a few months later. Today, Kandi’s family reflects the structure of…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>050 – Dem Smell De Blood, They Know Who You Are</title><itunes:title>050 – Dem Smell De Blood, They Know Who You Are</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Kennon was raised by in the lumber town of Mattawa, Canada, where he was one of the only people of color in the community. Growing up in a predominantly white community, he later had trouble assimilating into the black and Jamaican communities when he moved to Toronto. Struggling to find himself, Kennon journeyed to the land of his roots, Jamaica, discovered Rastafarianism, and ultimately found the love and acceptance he missed his entire life.</p><p>The post <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/050-dem-smell-de-blood-they-know-who-you-are/\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">050 – Dem Smell De Blood, They Know Who You Are</a> appeared first on <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Kennon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=5.24" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:05</a>)</p><p>She just said, like, I'm so sorry for everything that happened to you. If I knew that just I would have gone to Canada, myself to bring you back to Jamaica, to make sure that you grew up around your people. You know, </p><p>Damon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=22.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:22</a>)</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis. And today you're going to meet Kennon. He called me from Markham, a suburb of Toronto, Canada. Kennon is a man of mixed race who grew up in a predominantly white community. And the racially charged comments he heard in his youth were alienating for a guy who just wanted to belong. When he moved to Toronto, his upbringing in the small town hindered his ability to fit in with people of color throughout Kennon's life. It seems like he didn't belong anywhere until he found his roots in Jamaica. This is Kennon's journey. Kennon grew up in Matawa Canada, a small French Canadian lumber town. He was a Brown skin child in a community filled with white people. He said it didn't take him very long to feel how different he was from the rest of his community. </p><p>Kennon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=96.32" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:36</a>)</p><p>I was different than others because I lived in a principally white community and a French Canadian community. And I was Brown you know or black or whatever you want to call it mixed. I'm mixed race. So, you know, I'm not, uh, I'm not the darkest man around, but I'm also not a, nobody would mistake me for a white person either. So the pressure of being different, you know, probably prompted me to inquire with my parents, uh, probably earlier than most adopted kids might as to why I'm being targeted for being different and all those kinds of things. Right. You know, my earliest solid recollection of, of really starting to feel that sort of, uh, awkwardness and, and, and understanding that I wasn't, the child of my parents was probably, I don't know, seven, eight, nine years old before it really started to like sink in, in a way that I could, you know, actively think about in a conscious manner. </p><p><br></p><p>Damon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=160.52" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:40</a>)</p><p>That's fascinating. And what did you think about what, when you say you were targeted for being different, what kinds of things were happening to you that really sort of flagged your difference? </p><p><br></p><p>Kennon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=173.18" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:53</a>)</p><p>Well, I mean, you know, principally, it was name calling, uh, you know, I heard the N word lot when I was a kid child. I was called Oreo cookie a lot, like Kamala the Ugandan giant. Like there were a thousand names that people had me, you know, tar baby, uh, you know, there is even within my family, you know, my, my mother's uncle, I remember used to always rise me saying I was blacker than Toby's arse and things like that. And, you know, I didn't really think much of it maybe at the time, but, you know, and I'm thinking about it in subsequent years, you know, that's a, that's a highly offensive racist kind of a statement. </p><p><br></p><p>Damon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=216.49" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:36</a>)</p><p>Yeah. </p><p><br></p><p>Kennon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=216.49" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:36</a>)</p><p>And, uh, and this was a man who, who was a native American, right? Uh, not a hundred percent, but probably 50 or 60% native American. And so it was a weird dynamic between him and I, I would, I would sometimes fire back, you know, things at him to sort of, you know, degrade his person a little bit with respect to his, you know, but it wasn't, it wasn't healthy. It was definitely something that undermined my confidence, a great deal. When I was young, </p><p><br></p><p>Damon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=249.39" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:09</a>)</p><p>Kennon is feeling his differences from others. He's hearing racist, epithets barked at him by his peers. And even his uncle when he asked his parents, liberal teachers respected in the community, why he was being singled out, they tried to remind Kennon that there was nothing wrong with him and challenged the ideals of those who would attack him. </p><p><br></p><p>Kennon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=270.63" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:30</a>)</p><p>They provided me a fairly consistent message of, you know, it was a combination of, you know, you're special and you're unique. You're not like the others, but that doesn't mean you're bad or that there's something wrong with you. And then that usually followed up with, uh, with some messaging around other people being ignorant and other people, not really being able to, to understand and appreciate who you are because of their own backwardness and things like that. So, you know, they did their best to defend me, but, um, and to sort of give me some tools to sort of help manage, you know, what I was feeling, but, you know, they couldn't, they couldn't really speak to me, you know, as a black person, they couldn't really give me much more beyond, uh, you know, just kind of show yourself up and be prepared because this, this is going to be the last of it. And the people that are going to call you these things may not be your friends. And they may not truly, you know, understand themselves either. And that kind of thing. It was more along those lines. </p><p><br></p><p>Damon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=333.27" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:33</a>)</p><p>Kennon said that he was a happy kid growing up, playing hockey, going fishing and riding his bike. But as he got older, things changed, he said, his urge is to search for biological relationships started when he was a teenager. And he was further isolated. </p><p><br></p><p>Kennon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=350.25" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:50</a>)</p><p>Once I became a teenager and I started to see my other friends start dating, you know, it just seemed like there was no girl that was interested in me and anybody that I asked out, very quickly said no, or, you know, oftentimes I would hear like I couldn't because my parents would absolutely lose some of their minds if they knew I was dating somebody like you, things like that. So that's what really started to sort of make the whole thing, start to percolate that little bit more to say, like, there must be something else. There must be some other place, some other people's or some other place I can move to, to find somebody of like minds of light skin tone, you know, all those kinds of things. </p><p><br></p><p>Damon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=391.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:31</a>)</p><p>I was, I'm glad you raised the part about dating because as you, as I asked the question, I'm thinking to myself, you know, this guy's growing up in a predominantly Caucasian lumber town. He's, I mean, you had to be one of maybe two, if any other people of color. And I was wondering about that, you know, you grow up, you start trying to date, you know, the dating circle can be very, very close and competitive in]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kennon was raised by in the lumber town of Mattawa, Canada, where he was one of the only people of color in the community. Growing up in a predominantly white community, he later had trouble assimilating into the black and Jamaican communities when he moved to Toronto. Struggling to find himself, Kennon journeyed to the land of his roots, Jamaica, discovered Rastafarianism, and ultimately found the love and acceptance he missed his entire life.</p><p>The post <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/050-dem-smell-de-blood-they-know-who-you-are/\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">050 – Dem Smell De Blood, They Know Who You Are</a> appeared first on <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Kennon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=5.24" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:05</a>)</p><p>She just said, like, I'm so sorry for everything that happened to you. If I knew that just I would have gone to Canada, myself to bring you back to Jamaica, to make sure that you grew up around your people. You know, </p><p>Damon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=22.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:22</a>)</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis. And today you're going to meet Kennon. He called me from Markham, a suburb of Toronto, Canada. Kennon is a man of mixed race who grew up in a predominantly white community. And the racially charged comments he heard in his youth were alienating for a guy who just wanted to belong. When he moved to Toronto, his upbringing in the small town hindered his ability to fit in with people of color throughout Kennon's life. It seems like he didn't belong anywhere until he found his roots in Jamaica. This is Kennon's journey. Kennon grew up in Matawa Canada, a small French Canadian lumber town. He was a Brown skin child in a community filled with white people. He said it didn't take him very long to feel how different he was from the rest of his community. </p><p>Kennon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=96.32" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:36</a>)</p><p>I was different than others because I lived in a principally white community and a French Canadian community. And I was Brown you know or black or whatever you want to call it mixed. I'm mixed race. So, you know, I'm not, uh, I'm not the darkest man around, but I'm also not a, nobody would mistake me for a white person either. So the pressure of being different, you know, probably prompted me to inquire with my parents, uh, probably earlier than most adopted kids might as to why I'm being targeted for being different and all those kinds of things. Right. You know, my earliest solid recollection of, of really starting to feel that sort of, uh, awkwardness and, and, and understanding that I wasn't, the child of my parents was probably, I don't know, seven, eight, nine years old before it really started to like sink in, in a way that I could, you know, actively think about in a conscious manner. </p><p><br></p><p>Damon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=160.52" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:40</a>)</p><p>That's fascinating. And what did you think about what, when you say you were targeted for being different, what kinds of things were happening to you that really sort of flagged your difference? </p><p><br></p><p>Kennon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=173.18" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:53</a>)</p><p>Well, I mean, you know, principally, it was name calling, uh, you know, I heard the N word lot when I was a kid child. I was called Oreo cookie a lot, like Kamala the Ugandan giant. Like there were a thousand names that people had me, you know, tar baby, uh, you know, there is even within my family, you know, my, my mother's uncle, I remember used to always rise me saying I was blacker than Toby's arse and things like that. And, you know, I didn't really think much of it maybe at the time, but, you know, and I'm thinking about it in subsequent years, you know, that's a, that's a highly offensive racist kind of a statement. </p><p><br></p><p>Damon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=216.49" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:36</a>)</p><p>Yeah. </p><p><br></p><p>Kennon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=216.49" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:36</a>)</p><p>And, uh, and this was a man who, who was a native American, right? Uh, not a hundred percent, but probably 50 or 60% native American. And so it was a weird dynamic between him and I, I would, I would sometimes fire back, you know, things at him to sort of, you know, degrade his person a little bit with respect to his, you know, but it wasn't, it wasn't healthy. It was definitely something that undermined my confidence, a great deal. When I was young, </p><p><br></p><p>Damon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=249.39" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:09</a>)</p><p>Kennon is feeling his differences from others. He's hearing racist, epithets barked at him by his peers. And even his uncle when he asked his parents, liberal teachers respected in the community, why he was being singled out, they tried to remind Kennon that there was nothing wrong with him and challenged the ideals of those who would attack him. </p><p><br></p><p>Kennon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=270.63" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:30</a>)</p><p>They provided me a fairly consistent message of, you know, it was a combination of, you know, you're special and you're unique. You're not like the others, but that doesn't mean you're bad or that there's something wrong with you. And then that usually followed up with, uh, with some messaging around other people being ignorant and other people, not really being able to, to understand and appreciate who you are because of their own backwardness and things like that. So, you know, they did their best to defend me, but, um, and to sort of give me some tools to sort of help manage, you know, what I was feeling, but, you know, they couldn't, they couldn't really speak to me, you know, as a black person, they couldn't really give me much more beyond, uh, you know, just kind of show yourself up and be prepared because this, this is going to be the last of it. And the people that are going to call you these things may not be your friends. And they may not truly, you know, understand themselves either. And that kind of thing. It was more along those lines. </p><p><br></p><p>Damon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=333.27" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:33</a>)</p><p>Kennon said that he was a happy kid growing up, playing hockey, going fishing and riding his bike. But as he got older, things changed, he said, his urge is to search for biological relationships started when he was a teenager. And he was further isolated. </p><p><br></p><p>Kennon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=350.25" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:50</a>)</p><p>Once I became a teenager and I started to see my other friends start dating, you know, it just seemed like there was no girl that was interested in me and anybody that I asked out, very quickly said no, or, you know, oftentimes I would hear like I couldn't because my parents would absolutely lose some of their minds if they knew I was dating somebody like you, things like that. So that's what really started to sort of make the whole thing, start to percolate that little bit more to say, like, there must be something else. There must be some other place, some other people's or some other place I can move to, to find somebody of like minds of light skin tone, you know, all those kinds of things. </p><p><br></p><p>Damon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=391.84" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:31</a>)</p><p>I was, I'm glad you raised the part about dating because as you, as I asked the question, I'm thinking to myself, you know, this guy's growing up in a predominantly Caucasian lumber town. He's, I mean, you had to be one of maybe two, if any other people of color. And I was wondering about that, you know, you grow up, you start trying to date, you know, the dating circle can be very, very close and competitive in under normal circumstances. And then if you stand out, you know, under any kind of circumstances, for any reason, you're automatically eliminated as a possibility, for sure. As soon as Kennon and turned 18, he was out of there. He moved to Toronto to try to start a new, but integrating himself into a new, more diverse group of friends was challenging. He struggled to find inroads into the black community there because he was seen as culturally, very white in their eyes. It's a common phenomenon for someone who's raised outside of their cultural norms. They're visually different than the community in which they were raised as Kennon had been back in Matawa, but they've picked up all of the norms of that community, which unintentionally separates them from the heritage and culture. They're trying to introduce themselves into, </p><p><br></p><p>Kennon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=468.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:48</a>)</p><p>In fact, I received a, as much or more flack from that community for being mixed and for being quote on quote Canadian and being, you know, hockey and, you know, baseball caps and, you know, all of the sort of typical Canadiana type things. Right. But, um, you know, the one thing that I did know at a fairly early age was, you know, from my parents that was, you know, they, they were able to tell me that my father was Jamaican. They were able to tell me that he was a musician and that my mom was studying to be a nurse and that she was Canadian or white, if you want to call it. And, but really the thing that stuck out in my mind, you know, from 12, 13, 14 onwards was the fact that my father was Jamaican, you know, and that he was a musician because I was very involved in music as well. I was always on the band and played the music and all these kinds of things. And so that's the thing a really, really, really, really close to. I'm just having a moment. </p><p><br></p><p>Damon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=531.22" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:51</a>)</p><p>I understand. </p><p><br></p><p>Kennon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=533.95" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:53</a>)</p><p>it's, it's still a volatile subject for me, </p><p><br></p><p>Damon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=538.43" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:58</a>)</p><p>Kennon says he still sometimes feels like an outsider after years of trying to fit in, even though his wife and children are black, he speaks with a unique combination of a Canadian accent with the Queen's English mixed in with a Jamaican accent, </p><p><br></p><p>Kennon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=554" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:14</a>)</p><p>They'd say, Oh, you're the whitest black person I've ever met. That's something that, you know, stings still to this day to be perfectly honest, </p><p><br></p><p>Damon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=561.71" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:21</a>)</p><p>But Kennon pressed on trying to assimilate into the cosmopolitan city of Toronto, his older sister, who is biological to his parents and seven years, his senior moved to Toronto before him. So his parents already kind of knew Kennon's moved. There was imminent. He said his parents who had divorced, had differing opinions about the move. His mother was more supportive of his move, but his father tried to convince him to stay in town, get a job at the lumber mill and find a wife, but that didn't appeal to Kennon at all. </p><p><br></p><p>Kennon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=594.47" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:54</a>)</p><p>You know, I have always moved with, without any impedance where that is concerned. Like I haven't really taken their, their thoughts and feelings into consideration where, you know, my, my wellbeing, my racial well being was concerned. So I just went ahead and moved and, and, you know, started to live my life down here </p><p><br></p><p>Damon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=615.17" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:15</a>)</p><p>Throughout college Kennon had white friends, dated white women, and really did move toward his black or Jamaican heritage for three years. But he had a sense in the back of his mind where he was going when he was about 22, he filled out the paperwork to learn who his biological parents were, but his quest led him astray from the friend circles. He had developed those friends were intimidated by the fact that he was looking for an identity outside of their group, </p><p><br></p><p>Kennon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=642.38" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:42</a>)</p><p>Because, you know, I, I traveled to Jamaica when I was 20 years old and in a college trip, there was 30 of us. And, you know, it was just partying, booze, you know, girls, the whole kind of thing. But you know, a few times during that trip, when I was down to Jamaica, the very first time I kind of went off the beaten track by myself, by myself. And, you know, I remember this, uh, sorry, I remember this one old Rasta man who kind of befriended me. He used to stand outside this one show store, you know, and he didn't have to be nice to me. There was, he didn't own me anything, but there was something about him that just kind of sensed that I was ill at ease, you know, what some in my life. And he, you know, he started asking me a couple of questions about who I was and where I came from. </p><p><br></p><p>Kennon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=692.48" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:32</a>)</p><p>And, you know, I was able to tell him, you know, all my father's Jamaican and you know, this and that and whatever else. So he really kind of inspired me to, to take on that persona or take on that identity. You know, he says, that's your people, you know, your father is your father. And if you don't, you have to, you know, make sure that you know who you are, if you, unless you know who you are in the past, you can't go forward when you're just walking on quicksand kind of a thing. Right. And, um, you know, it was that, that time that, you know, I was, I was sort of like a sworn, uh, easiest, I guess at that point in my life, I really had no purpose with God. I kinda given up on the whole spirituality thing. But, um, you know, that man kind of inspired me to start looking into spirituality, at least from a historical context. You know, </p><p><br></p><p>Damon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=746.97" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:26</a>)</p><p>The Rastafarian man gave Kennon a book called dread. It covered the history of Jamaica, the Rastafarian movement and slavery it's swayed Kennon spiritual path, introducing the country of Ethiopia into his life. He journeyed there to find himself </p><p><br></p><p>Kennon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=765" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:45</a>)</p><p>Ethiopia sprung into my, into my consciousness, like a beacon of light. And it just, you know, I very quickly started to just read and consume anything, uh, about Ethiopia. So I went to Ethiopia when I was 24 years of age to find myself, I guess you could say. And, um, it really, really changed, you know, my outlook in terms of my identity and feeling comfortable within my skin and feeling accepted and feeling, you know, at home around black people and things like that. And it really sort of set the stage for, you know, the man I've become in my later years, you know, </p><p><br></p><p>Damon: (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/pPWZfkUaOhJamoQpBvB3UZukNfFEyFz9BC3lcwPi25SPKVf4FiIzuHnI4y9SshrE_ePwtSCcw249AzwM_cL_3JzQX4I?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&amp;ts=806.13" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:26</a>)</p><p>That's really amazing that, that an individual, as you said, who owes you, nothing doesn't know you from anybody else sets you off on this journey, both sort of spiritual wise and, and in terms of just general introspection. And it's fascinating too, I can't help, but think most people when I speak with them, talk about a search for their birth mother, but you have made a strong tie to your father's culture and I can't help, but think that a strong piece of that is because you already grew up in a predominantly white community and as a brown man, you are searching for your connection to other people of color. And so the identity of your father...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/050-dem-smell-de-blood-they-know-who-you-are]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1905</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2018 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c6f0b5ad-a08e-43bd-a7e7-e68a0d2f1665/050-dem-smell-de-blood-they-know-who-you-are-final.mp3" length="43225956" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>45:02</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>50</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>50</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Kennon was raised by in the lumber town of Mattawa, Canada, where he was one of the only people of color in the community. Growing up in a predominantly white community, he later had trouble assimilating into the black and Jamaican communities when he moved to Toronto. Struggling to find himself, Kennon journeyed to the…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>049 – It’s Just More People To Love Me</title><itunes:title>049 – It’s Just More People To Love Me</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Sherie&nbsp;said she sometimes&nbsp;thought about searching for her birth family, but even talking about it with her husband made her cry.&nbsp;She finally gathered the&nbsp;strength to search after voraciously&nbsp;reading&nbsp;“The Girls That Went Away”. It dramatically changed her perspective&nbsp;about her own adoption&nbsp;and the&nbsp;possibilities for what her birth mother might have endured. Unfortunately, when&nbsp;Sheri’s court-appointed investigator found her birth mother the woman wasn’t ready to reunite…yet. It took time for Sheri’s birth mother to overcome a family loss and regain her&nbsp;strength to face Sheri. Thankfully,&nbsp;Sheri was patient along the way, making sure that building trust with her birth&nbsp;family was the foremost goal in her reunion.</p><p>The post <a href=\"http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/049-its-just-more-people-to-love-me/\" target=\"_blank\">049 – It’s Just More People To Love Me</a> appeared first on <a href=\"http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\" target=\"_blank\">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sherie&nbsp;said she sometimes&nbsp;thought about searching for her birth family, but even talking about it with her husband made her cry.&nbsp;She finally gathered the&nbsp;strength to search after voraciously&nbsp;reading&nbsp;“The Girls That Went Away”. It dramatically changed her perspective&nbsp;about her own adoption&nbsp;and the&nbsp;possibilities for what her birth mother might have endured. Unfortunately, when&nbsp;Sheri’s court-appointed investigator found her birth mother the woman wasn’t ready to reunite…yet. It took time for Sheri’s birth mother to overcome a family loss and regain her&nbsp;strength to face Sheri. Thankfully,&nbsp;Sheri was patient along the way, making sure that building trust with her birth&nbsp;family was the foremost goal in her reunion.</p><p>The post <a href=\"http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/049-its-just-more-people-to-love-me/\" target=\"_blank\">049 – It’s Just More People To Love Me</a> appeared first on <a href=\"http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\" target=\"_blank\">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/049-its-just-more-people-to-love-me]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1898</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2018 07:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/9602c980-bf9c-4d38-a1da-703509b3e52f/049-its-just-more-people-to-love-me.mp3" length="43243135" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>45:03</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>49</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>49</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Sherie said she sometimes thought about searching for her birth family, but even talking about it with her husband made her cry. She finally gathered the strength to search after voraciously reading “The Girls That Went Away”. It dramatically changed her perspective about her own adoption and the possibilities for what her birth mother might have endured. Unfortunately, when Sheri’s court-appointed investigator found her birth…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>048 – It’s Not Always The Fairy Tale You Hoped For</title><itunes:title>048 – It’s Not Always The Fairy Tale You Hoped For</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>When Kaitlin was nine years old she was ready to lobby for access to her original birth certificate. She attempted a reunion with her birth mother, who&nbsp;left clues that she wanted to be found. But when she was located she was surprised. Kaitlin’s excitement&nbsp;over finding her family led her to a misstep that soured the relationship with her birth mother. Luckily, things went much better for&nbsp;Kaitlin and her birth father, who just happened to be in town when she called!</p><p>The post <a href=\"http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/048-its-not-always-the-fairy-tale-you-hoped-for/\" target=\"_blank\">048 – It’s Not Always The Fairy Tale You Hoped For</a> appeared first on <a href=\"http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\" target=\"_blank\">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Kaitlin was nine years old she was ready to lobby for access to her original birth certificate. She attempted a reunion with her birth mother, who&nbsp;left clues that she wanted to be found. But when she was located she was surprised. Kaitlin’s excitement&nbsp;over finding her family led her to a misstep that soured the relationship with her birth mother. Luckily, things went much better for&nbsp;Kaitlin and her birth father, who just happened to be in town when she called!</p><p>The post <a href=\"http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/048-its-not-always-the-fairy-tale-you-hoped-for/\" target=\"_blank\">048 – It’s Not Always The Fairy Tale You Hoped For</a> appeared first on <a href=\"http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\" target=\"_blank\">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/048-its-not-always-the-fairy-tale-you-hoped-for]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1892</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2018 07:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/4d900f8e-7c67-4919-b40b-6b38f94cc71d/048-its-not-always-the-fairy-tale-you-hoped-for.mp3" length="30836445" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>32:07</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>48</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>48</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season><itunes:summary>When Kaitlin was nine years old she was ready to lobby for access to her original birth certificate. She attempted a reunion with her birth mother, who left clues that she wanted to be found. But when she was located she was surprised. Kaitlin’s excitement over finding her family led her to a misstep that soured the…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>047 – I Was In Charge Of My Destiny</title><itunes:title>047 – I Was In Charge Of My Destiny</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p><span>When Anna was born, her adoption resulted in Anna and her mother&nbsp;living as siblings. Very early in her life she lost her birth mother and her adopted mother, so she was on her own.&nbsp;Anna shares how she survived those tragic losses, physical abuse by her stepmother, and a life&nbsp;few parental figures. Since she never had&nbsp;male figure in her life, Anna struggles with how&nbsp;best be a daughter in reunion. But her paternal family always pulls her back in when she starts to drift away.&nbsp;</span></p><p>The post <a href=\"http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/047-i-was-in-charge-of-my-destiny/\" target=\"_blank\">047 – I Was In Charge Of My Destiny</a> appeared first on <a href=\"http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\" target=\"_blank\">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>When Anna was born, her adoption resulted in Anna and her mother&nbsp;living as siblings. Very early in her life she lost her birth mother and her adopted mother, so she was on her own.&nbsp;Anna shares how she survived those tragic losses, physical abuse by her stepmother, and a life&nbsp;few parental figures. Since she never had&nbsp;male figure in her life, Anna struggles with how&nbsp;best be a daughter in reunion. But her paternal family always pulls her back in when she starts to drift away.&nbsp;</span></p><p>The post <a href=\"http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/047-i-was-in-charge-of-my-destiny/\" target=\"_blank\">047 – I Was In Charge Of My Destiny</a> appeared first on <a href=\"http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\" target=\"_blank\">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/047-i-was-in-charge-of-my-destiny]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1874</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2018 07:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/05f72212-cbbc-4624-b012-3fb8ce7654b7/047-anna-sellers-final.mp3" length="54211584" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>56:28</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>47</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>47</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season><itunes:summary>When Anna was born, her adoption resulted in Anna and her mother living as siblings. Very early in her life she lost her birth mother and her adopted mother, so she was on her own. Anna shares how she survived those tragic losses, physical abuse by her stepmother, and a life few parental figures. Since she never had male…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>045 – This Child Will Find Me</title><itunes:title>045 – This Child Will Find Me</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Michael says he always knew he was adopted and spoke openly about it with anyone who expressed curiosity. However, when he launched his search, he didn’t feel like he could share those details openly with his adopted mother. When he found his birth mother, she told Michael she always knew he would find her. To continue his search for his birth father, she encouraged Michael to connect with his half-brother by another woman but forewarned Michael that his birth father didn’t know of his existence.&nbsp;But it turned out there was a lot more&nbsp;Michael’s father didn’t know… about himself.</p><p>The post <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/045-child-will-find/\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">045 – This Child Will Find Me</a> appeared first on <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Michael (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=5.28" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:05</a>):</p><p>She said before her mother passed away, she was saying, you should really find your, your, your sons. And I think she might've been looking on her own before she died, because her DNAs on 23 and me, and it's my number one hit.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=27.41" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:27</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Michael. He's a theater teacher in New Jersey. He says he always knew he was adopted and spoke openly about it with anyone who expressed curiosity. But when he launched his search, he didn't feel like he could share those details openly with his adopted mother, when he found his birth mother, she told Michael, she always knew he would find her to continue his search for his birth father. She encouraged Michael to connect with his half brother by another woman. But for warned Michael, that his birth father didn't know of his existence, it turned out there was a lot more that Michael's father didn't know about himself. This is Michael's journey. Michael grew up with three siblings, one adopted sister, three years older than himself and twin siblings born to his parents, whom they brought home from the hospital exactly two years to the day after they brought him home. Michael was so comfortable with how his family was formed. He openly shared that he's an adoptee with everyone. When he eventually found his birth parents, he went back to his adopted mother to ask when she actually told him he was adopted.</p><p>Michael (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=119.49" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:59</a>):</p><p>People always ask me, when did you know, you know, how old were you when you found out you were adopted? And I, I don't remember being told that I was adopted. I, I just have always known. Um, and when I've spoken to, when this whole thing happened with my birth parents and I spoke to my adopted mother and I asked her, I said, when did you tell me? Cause I don't remember. I don't remember. And she said that they were taught, you know, through the adoption agency, you know, they, they were advised by them to tell, to tell me, as, as young, as even in the crib telling, you know, you're loved and you're, you're, you know, you you're special and all this stuff. And so I guess it just was always known to me, uh, and growing up, you know, I was very open about it.</p><p>Michael (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=168.01" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:48</a>):</p><p>I, I, I guess, cause it, cause I'm an actor. I really don't have, I wasn't shy as a kid. Let's just say, so I would, I'd be with my, my brother, you know, in a playground and people would say, are, you know, are you, are you two brothers? And I'd say, yeah. And they say, how come you don't look anything alike? And I'd say I’m adopted. And I'm like seven years old, you know? And my mother would say, you don't have to tell people that. I said, well, why, you know? So it was just second nature to me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=196.78" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:16</a>):</p><p>Yeah. You told me why wouldn't I tell other people?</p><p>Michael (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=199.42" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:19</a>):</p><p>exactly. I mean, I get what the big deal was. Yeah.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=203.98" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:23</a>):</p><p>As he got older through high school and college, Michael continued to be open about his adoption, which seemed to fascinate whomever. He was talking to friends, girlfriends, and other people had so many questions. Like, do you ever want to find your birth family? But their line of questioning was always kind of strange for him. And he never wanted to explore their inquiries further. He just didn't want to go there. And it took him until he was 45 years old to do so I asked Michael what he would say to people about why he didn't want to search.</p><p>Michael (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=236.02" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:56</a>):</p><p>I never really had an answer. I would always kind of downplay it. Like I, you know, I don't know. It's not something I think about or, you know, I would have some kind of, you know, dismissive remark that it really wasn't something I really was interested in. Yeah. Well I would say, yeah, you know, I think about it, but you know, and I would kind of, I wouldn't really engage any further in it and they'd say, well, you know, if they went any further, like, well, have you ever thought about, would you ever search? I go, I don't know. Maybe someday, you know, I never really took a definitive stance on it. And it's probably because I really didn't know. My answer was always, I don't know. I kind of never, I felt like I never really wanted to completely go there and really, really think about it because it's something that I was always with me. And I always kind of thought about it, but actually going and searching and finding, uh, you know, it, it took me till 45 years old to even go there.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=293.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:53</a>):</p><p>Wow. That's really fascinating. Michael added that, even though he didn't feel a strong desire to search, he was always protective of his adoptive mother's feelings too. He said she's a fairly sensitive person which played into his apprehension about the process. So I wondered if Michael didn't begin searching until he was 45 years old. What fired up his curiosity after avoiding the search for so long, he said that his parents divorced around the year 2000 and he was estranged from his adopted father for about 16 years. But when they reconnected one night over dinner, his father brought a story about his own brother Michael's uncle learning through ancestry.com that his father Michael's grandfather must have had two daughters out of wedlock. Michael's dad shared that he suddenly had half siblings and that got Michael thinking</p><p>Michael (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=345.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:45</a>):</p><p>that night I was driving home with my girlfriend and I said, ah, I wonder if I have any half siblings, I should, I should do ancestry. And that's kind of what led to it. Wow. Um, and now ancestry didn't lead me really anywhere other than for the first time I knew my ethnicity, which was kind of cool. what did you think you were previously and what did you learn that you were</p><p>Michael (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=371.37" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:11</a>):</p><p>well, um, growing up, when I used to ask my parents, what am, what am I? And my parents gave me this answer that always felt like it always felt like a stock answer, like a, like a fake answer. My father is, uh, half Irish and half Lithuanian. And my mother is a hundred percent Italian growing up. So my mom, when I would ask them this question, they would say you, uh, you're half Irish and half Italian, except your mother's Irish and your father's Italian. And I always thought that sounds like a, such a made up answer that they just switched. It.</p><p>Damon (<a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael says he always knew he was adopted and spoke openly about it with anyone who expressed curiosity. However, when he launched his search, he didn’t feel like he could share those details openly with his adopted mother. When he found his birth mother, she told Michael she always knew he would find her. To continue his search for his birth father, she encouraged Michael to connect with his half-brother by another woman but forewarned Michael that his birth father didn’t know of his existence.&nbsp;But it turned out there was a lot more&nbsp;Michael’s father didn’t know… about himself.</p><p>The post <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/045-child-will-find/\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">045 – This Child Will Find Me</a> appeared first on <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Michael (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=5.28" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:05</a>):</p><p>She said before her mother passed away, she was saying, you should really find your, your, your sons. And I think she might've been looking on her own before she died, because her DNAs on 23 and me, and it's my number one hit.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=27.41" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:27</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Michael. He's a theater teacher in New Jersey. He says he always knew he was adopted and spoke openly about it with anyone who expressed curiosity. But when he launched his search, he didn't feel like he could share those details openly with his adopted mother, when he found his birth mother, she told Michael, she always knew he would find her to continue his search for his birth father. She encouraged Michael to connect with his half brother by another woman. But for warned Michael, that his birth father didn't know of his existence, it turned out there was a lot more that Michael's father didn't know about himself. This is Michael's journey. Michael grew up with three siblings, one adopted sister, three years older than himself and twin siblings born to his parents, whom they brought home from the hospital exactly two years to the day after they brought him home. Michael was so comfortable with how his family was formed. He openly shared that he's an adoptee with everyone. When he eventually found his birth parents, he went back to his adopted mother to ask when she actually told him he was adopted.</p><p>Michael (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=119.49" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:59</a>):</p><p>People always ask me, when did you know, you know, how old were you when you found out you were adopted? And I, I don't remember being told that I was adopted. I, I just have always known. Um, and when I've spoken to, when this whole thing happened with my birth parents and I spoke to my adopted mother and I asked her, I said, when did you tell me? Cause I don't remember. I don't remember. And she said that they were taught, you know, through the adoption agency, you know, they, they were advised by them to tell, to tell me, as, as young, as even in the crib telling, you know, you're loved and you're, you're, you know, you you're special and all this stuff. And so I guess it just was always known to me, uh, and growing up, you know, I was very open about it.</p><p>Michael (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=168.01" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:48</a>):</p><p>I, I, I guess, cause it, cause I'm an actor. I really don't have, I wasn't shy as a kid. Let's just say, so I would, I'd be with my, my brother, you know, in a playground and people would say, are, you know, are you, are you two brothers? And I'd say, yeah. And they say, how come you don't look anything alike? And I'd say I’m adopted. And I'm like seven years old, you know? And my mother would say, you don't have to tell people that. I said, well, why, you know? So it was just second nature to me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=196.78" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:16</a>):</p><p>Yeah. You told me why wouldn't I tell other people?</p><p>Michael (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=199.42" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:19</a>):</p><p>exactly. I mean, I get what the big deal was. Yeah.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=203.98" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:23</a>):</p><p>As he got older through high school and college, Michael continued to be open about his adoption, which seemed to fascinate whomever. He was talking to friends, girlfriends, and other people had so many questions. Like, do you ever want to find your birth family? But their line of questioning was always kind of strange for him. And he never wanted to explore their inquiries further. He just didn't want to go there. And it took him until he was 45 years old to do so I asked Michael what he would say to people about why he didn't want to search.</p><p>Michael (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=236.02" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:56</a>):</p><p>I never really had an answer. I would always kind of downplay it. Like I, you know, I don't know. It's not something I think about or, you know, I would have some kind of, you know, dismissive remark that it really wasn't something I really was interested in. Yeah. Well I would say, yeah, you know, I think about it, but you know, and I would kind of, I wouldn't really engage any further in it and they'd say, well, you know, if they went any further, like, well, have you ever thought about, would you ever search? I go, I don't know. Maybe someday, you know, I never really took a definitive stance on it. And it's probably because I really didn't know. My answer was always, I don't know. I kind of never, I felt like I never really wanted to completely go there and really, really think about it because it's something that I was always with me. And I always kind of thought about it, but actually going and searching and finding, uh, you know, it, it took me till 45 years old to even go there.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=293.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:53</a>):</p><p>Wow. That's really fascinating. Michael added that, even though he didn't feel a strong desire to search, he was always protective of his adoptive mother's feelings too. He said she's a fairly sensitive person which played into his apprehension about the process. So I wondered if Michael didn't begin searching until he was 45 years old. What fired up his curiosity after avoiding the search for so long, he said that his parents divorced around the year 2000 and he was estranged from his adopted father for about 16 years. But when they reconnected one night over dinner, his father brought a story about his own brother Michael's uncle learning through ancestry.com that his father Michael's grandfather must have had two daughters out of wedlock. Michael's dad shared that he suddenly had half siblings and that got Michael thinking</p><p>Michael (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=345.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:45</a>):</p><p>that night I was driving home with my girlfriend and I said, ah, I wonder if I have any half siblings, I should, I should do ancestry. And that's kind of what led to it. Wow. Um, and now ancestry didn't lead me really anywhere other than for the first time I knew my ethnicity, which was kind of cool. what did you think you were previously and what did you learn that you were</p><p>Michael (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=371.37" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:11</a>):</p><p>well, um, growing up, when I used to ask my parents, what am, what am I? And my parents gave me this answer that always felt like it always felt like a stock answer, like a, like a fake answer. My father is, uh, half Irish and half Lithuanian. And my mother is a hundred percent Italian growing up. So my mom, when I would ask them this question, they would say you, uh, you're half Irish and half Italian, except your mother's Irish and your father's Italian. And I always thought that sounds like a, such a made up answer that they just switched. It.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=410.09" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:50</a>):</p><p>It turns out Michael's about 45% Irish, 19% Italian and 26% German, which we'll cover later. So of course, through ancestry.com, Michael discovered a cadre of distant cousins, but it didn't really lead to any deep connections. 23 and me had the same disappointing results turning to Facebook. Michael joined groups like DNA detectives and search squad. He had been bitten by the bug of desire to learn more. He learned that he was adopted through Catholic charities. So he sent away for the application for them to begin their search. A member of the online groups explained that he could get his original birth certificate because he lived in New Jersey. He mailed in his OBC application to the state.</p><p>Michael (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=455.15" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:35</a>):</p><p>And literally, I think it was the same day that the birth certificate arrived. I got the application from Catholic charities. Wow. That's crazy. It was weird. It was like right around the same time, odd serendipity. Right. Exactly. And I remember after I opened the envelope, I called Catholic charities and said, I got your, I got the application. Turns out I don't need it because I got my birth certificate. Um, and Catholic charities, you know, the woman didn't say, well, what are, you know, what are you, what do you know? What, what does it say? And I told them what it said. And she was able to actually confirm, you know, she over the phone. She said, well, yeah, that, that is, that is the name that I see here in front of me. So that was kind of cool. You know, she couldn't, she couldn't tell me the name, but once I said, is it this?</p><p>Michael (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=501.65" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:21</a>):</p><p>They said, yes. So, so the birth certificate, I opened it up and I see for the first thing I saw was Matthew. And I kinda like looked at it and then like put it down and said, Oh my God, there's a name on there. And I was with my girlfriend and she was like, open it, read it. And I was like, I'm afraid to, I didn't, I was so much emotion. And I saw the name, Matthew and then that, and I said, that was, I said, that's my birth name? That's, that's the name I was given at birth Matthew. And I saw my mother's name, Loretta. Oh, you know, all of a sudden I was like, wow, that's her name? You know, it was like this weird, crazy feeling becomes, it becomes real very quickly. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything else matched up. As far as my birthday and where I was born, that stuff I knew on the bottom, it said number of previous live births before this birth or something like that. And it's a two and it's a date of most previous live birth. And it was three years before I was born. So I said, Oh, I have siblings.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=574.09" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:34</a>):</p><p>So Michael has his birth mother's name Loretta from his OBC. He also learned that he had two older siblings, which made him super curious about who they were. Were they brothers or sisters? Were they adopted too? He went back to the closed Facebook groups with the updated information.</p><p>Michael (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=592.55" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:52</a>):</p><p>I, if it, if it, if it was 35 seconds, somebody said founder. Wow. And they found her Facebook page. Uh, somebody else found her mother's obituary. Uh, and all of a sudden there she is, I'm looking at her on Facebook and yeah. And I looked at her and the name obviously didn't ring a bell. But when I looked at her, it was instantaneous. I knew really in your own face in hers. Oh yeah, absolutely. Wow. Yeah.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=625.29" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:25</a>):</p><p>Before you go on that, tell me, take me back for a quick second to that moment. When you saw that you had two older siblings, what did that feel like for you?</p><p>Michael (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=635.94" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:35</a>):</p><p>My, my initial reaction was kind of just curiosity, like who are like, well, who are they? Because, you know, and, and what are they adopted? Or, you know what, you know, what's the, who, who are, who are these two siblings? Are they male? Are they females? You know, it was more curiosity. It was once I found her on Facebook. Oh. And somebody else on Facebook found because the birth date was there and her name was there and where he was born was there. They found him instantly too. And so I knew his name, his name is Julian. Um, the most recent one. And when I looked at her Facebook page, Julian's on the Facebook page with her. That was when I had a, uh, uh, a reaction, I guess you could say was what I knew that Julian is still with her. Yeah. Yeah. That's a huge question, Mark. Isn't it? Yes. And so that was the first question of why did, why was, why did she keep Julian and, and, and, and give me up. And also once I looked through the Facebook page, I saw there was a third sibling younger than me. Wow. Yeah. So she left, she had four sons in total.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=714.94" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:54</a>):</p><p>I asked Michael what scenarios came to mind about why he was placed for adoption, but his siblings were not. He wondered if he was conceived out of wedlock. He pondered whether he was the product of a rape Michael's mind was reeling, trying to figure out what might have happened outside of Loretta's marriage. Michael had located her information on Facebook and he was tempted to reach out right at that moment. But he held off for a day. He sent her a note through Facebook messenger, but there was no response. Michael dug a little deeper and discovered Loretta had a Facebook business page, which also had a Gmail address to contact her. He did some research on how to write his introductory email, keeping things vague, simply saying things like, I believe we may be related. And if I contacted you in error, please accept my apology. She wrote back in 30 minutes</p><p>Michael (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=766.63" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:46</a>):</p><p>and she wrote me back and she was like overjoyed. She said, yes, I am that you reached the right person. I am your birth mother. I've been waiting for you to, um, to meet you for all these years. And I hope that you'll want to talk with me on the phone. And, and I saw that email pop up on my laptop in front of me. And I was like, Oh my God. She wrote me back. And I, and I was so afraid to open it because I was like, I didn't want it to be like, you know, don't ever contact me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=799.21" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:19</a>):</p><p>Yeah. So flat rejection. But she, you were vague in your introduction, like, Hey, we might kind of be related. And she's like, I'm your birth mom? That's amazing.</p><p>Michael (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=807.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:27</a>):</p><p>Yes. Yeah. She's, that's how she is though. She's very, very openhearted, very, very emotive, uh, you know, very, you know, she's, she's a crier and a gusher, you know, that's just how she is. As I got to know her. So</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=826.91" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:46</a>):</p><p>they spoke on the phone that same night, Michael called her through heavy nerves. He was shaking. His mouth was dry and his stomach was all knotted up. She told him later, she felt the same way. But what she said on the phone was both moving and jarring.</p><p>Michael (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/6YL0mWuQ0MlZtoeXdSRZwb_wXnP5DerVD3ASf99_S1khO-bR28fxCK2cGwOCC651Kuk3GTRsSV1ytIAEhNlLjeevF4Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=844.18" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">14:04</a>):</p><p>I learned a lot, obviously on that first phone call, my mother, what did she say? Well, you know, first of all, she said, I wanted to tell you why I never tried to find you. And she, that was the, she felt, that was the first thing that she needed to say. And she said that she made a decision after I was born, that she said she would never interfere or try to insert herself into my life, but that she would remain open to me...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/045-this-child-will-find-me]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1863</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2018 07:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/9449053f-5e30-4022-bd11-425b1c4d9c1d/045-michael-hegarty-final.mp3" length="46391142" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>48:19</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>45</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>45</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Michael says he always knew he was adopted and spoke openly about it with anyone who expressed curiosity. However, when he launched his search, he didn’t feel like he could share those details openly with his adopted mother. When he found his birth mother, she told Michael she always knew he would find her. To…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>043 – When I Looked At Him, I Could See Things About Me</title><itunes:title>043 – When I Looked At Him, I Could See Things About Me</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Paige didn’t even know that searching for her birth family was an option until she learned about it on local&nbsp;tv as an adult.&nbsp;The&nbsp;topic of adoption was closed her whole life, partially because of how her&nbsp;parents understood and portrayed her closed adoption to her. Fortunately, Ohio law allowed her to access her original birth certificate (OBC).&nbsp;Receiving personal information about herself ignited a passion to learn more and set her off on a voyage of discovery.&nbsp;Paige was lucky to find her birth father’s name in the papers, a which doesn’t always happen for adoptees in&nbsp;that era.&nbsp;She connected with him one time, then he vanished. When he resurfaced, Paige was able to complete her journey because he had finally decided to be honest with his family about his past.</p><p>The post <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/043-when-i-looked-at-him-i-could-see-things-about-me/\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">043 – When I Looked At Him, I Could See Things About Me</a> appeared first on <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Paige (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=5.64" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:05</a>):</p><p>And I just knew don't push certain buttons. It's not worth it. There's no point in making a 78 year old guy embarrassed about something from 1961. That's right. Now he married the right person for him.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=27.43" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:27</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Paige. She lives outside of Cincinnati, Ohio growing up Paige, never talked about her adoption with anyone. The topic of adoption was closed partially because of how her parents understood and portrayed her closed adoption to her. But as a young married woman, she saw on TV that Ohio actually did allow her to access her original birth certificate, receiving personal information about herself, ignited a passion to learn more and set her off on a voyage of discovery. Paige was lucky to find her birth father's name in the papers, which doesn't always happen for adoptees. In that era. She connected with him one time. Then he vanished when he resurfaced, Paige was able to complete her journey because he had finally decided to be honest with his family about his past. This is Paige's journey. Paige was born in Ohio in March of 1961. Her understanding is her birth mother went into labor early. So after her birth, she spent a month in an incubator before being adopted. 13 months later,</p><p>Paige (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=116.65" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:56</a>):</p><p>I was born in Ohio at, at the time. Um, and my parents didn't my parents who raised me, did not understand the law really well, or it was one of those, you know, how people hear what they want to hear and see what they want to see and think what they want to think. Their understanding. I don't believe they lied to me in any kind of direct way. Their understanding of the law was since it was a closed adoption, that meant I could never, ever in my entire life of lives ever find them because it was closed the way the law in Ohio was. And my parents didn't bother to keep up on these things because they basically got what they wanted and were like, we're done. We're done here. Right? Um, law in Ohio at the time was changed in 1964. The records were open.</p><p>Paige (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=167.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:47</a>):</p><p>Now. I wouldn't have been able to get them until I was in adult, but the records were open. Some law was passed at some point that made it so that as long as you were born prior to January of 1964, your records were open when you were an adult. So since I was born before that time, I was able to get my records eventually. Now I never knew that because I trusted what my parents said until I realized, Oh, they see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear. And then I'll ask a lot of questions and you know, me growing up in the sixties and the seventies and part of the eighties is question everything, listen to rock and roll and question everything.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=212.8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:32</a>):</p><p>Paige talked a little bit about her adoption and her childhood. She highlighted that adoption was a closed topic in her home. So she was left to develop her own understanding about what adoption means by herself, without adult support and guidance. She says her parents were operating under the assumption that they were not able to conceive. Her father had been in the army and test suggested he wouldn't be able to reproduce. So he wrote himself off from becoming a father. Naturally,</p><p>Paige (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=239.66" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:59</a>):</p><p>they go get married. They think they can't conceive. And they decide when it's time that they want to have a kid, they go out and adopt me. And then six years later, they have my brother biologically.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=254.22" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:14</a>):</p><p>And what did they do for you? Do you remember that? Like, did you always know you were adopted and then what did it mean when your mom was pregnant?</p><p>Paige (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=261.12" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:21</a>):</p><p>I knew I was adopted and I had a rough idea what it meant as a kid, as it, especially as a small kid, I kind of equated it to like, Oh, like when you went in, you picked out a puppy out of the litter and we got a dog, you know? Yeah. And then, you know, say that sometimes the joke is the fastest way to conception is go adopt a kid. So they're, you know, there we got my brother. So I knew that he was coming into the world in a different way than I did. And I think one of the hardest things was all the people who went and on and on and you know, Hey, there's the miracle of life be. He's a boy, carry on the family name, you know, see, it makes my dad look like a big macho man. Cause he of all things, he produced a guy too, you know, they told me I couldn't have any and I'm irritable and all the talk about how much he looked like everybody ancestor people, grandparents, great grandparents.</p><p>Paige (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=319.97" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:19</a>):</p><p>He looked like my daddy, my mom had this. He had that, his toe looked like this. You know, his lip looked like that, all these things. And I'm just sitting here, like what about me? Um, yeah, he gets born, but at least they bring me a present. I rather had been told how much I looked like somebody and knew it was the truth. Then be handed whatever little gift thing but yeah, I did get some presents when he was born. But yeah, I, I would have rather have been a biologically born natural kid. Born like everybody else. I, there was no kid to my knowledge because nobody talked about it back then. No kid in my school or my neighborhood or anywhere else in the family. That was an adopted kid that I could hang out with or bond with or discuss with not around.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=371.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:11</a>):</p><p>Yeah. No topic is off the table. Back then</p><p>Paige (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=374.35" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:14</a>):</p><p>the topic was off the table. Right, right. So yeah, even if they were, we were all like people under undercover yet out in the open, you know, there was just nobody I could talk to about it.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=391.43" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:31</a>):</p><p>Paige chose to shut down her thoughts about her adoption. She chose to fake it til she made it as she put it. She didn't talk to anyone about adoption at all. Not even her closest girlfriends. And she developed a bit of a shame in her mind being an adoptee. She felt weird and isolated...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paige didn’t even know that searching for her birth family was an option until she learned about it on local&nbsp;tv as an adult.&nbsp;The&nbsp;topic of adoption was closed her whole life, partially because of how her&nbsp;parents understood and portrayed her closed adoption to her. Fortunately, Ohio law allowed her to access her original birth certificate (OBC).&nbsp;Receiving personal information about herself ignited a passion to learn more and set her off on a voyage of discovery.&nbsp;Paige was lucky to find her birth father’s name in the papers, a which doesn’t always happen for adoptees in&nbsp;that era.&nbsp;She connected with him one time, then he vanished. When he resurfaced, Paige was able to complete her journey because he had finally decided to be honest with his family about his past.</p><p>The post <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/043-when-i-looked-at-him-i-could-see-things-about-me/\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">043 – When I Looked At Him, I Could See Things About Me</a> appeared first on <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Paige (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=5.64" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:05</a>):</p><p>And I just knew don't push certain buttons. It's not worth it. There's no point in making a 78 year old guy embarrassed about something from 1961. That's right. Now he married the right person for him.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=27.43" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:27</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Paige. She lives outside of Cincinnati, Ohio growing up Paige, never talked about her adoption with anyone. The topic of adoption was closed partially because of how her parents understood and portrayed her closed adoption to her. But as a young married woman, she saw on TV that Ohio actually did allow her to access her original birth certificate, receiving personal information about herself, ignited a passion to learn more and set her off on a voyage of discovery. Paige was lucky to find her birth father's name in the papers, which doesn't always happen for adoptees. In that era. She connected with him one time. Then he vanished when he resurfaced, Paige was able to complete her journey because he had finally decided to be honest with his family about his past. This is Paige's journey. Paige was born in Ohio in March of 1961. Her understanding is her birth mother went into labor early. So after her birth, she spent a month in an incubator before being adopted. 13 months later,</p><p>Paige (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=116.65" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:56</a>):</p><p>I was born in Ohio at, at the time. Um, and my parents didn't my parents who raised me, did not understand the law really well, or it was one of those, you know, how people hear what they want to hear and see what they want to see and think what they want to think. Their understanding. I don't believe they lied to me in any kind of direct way. Their understanding of the law was since it was a closed adoption, that meant I could never, ever in my entire life of lives ever find them because it was closed the way the law in Ohio was. And my parents didn't bother to keep up on these things because they basically got what they wanted and were like, we're done. We're done here. Right? Um, law in Ohio at the time was changed in 1964. The records were open.</p><p>Paige (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=167.08" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:47</a>):</p><p>Now. I wouldn't have been able to get them until I was in adult, but the records were open. Some law was passed at some point that made it so that as long as you were born prior to January of 1964, your records were open when you were an adult. So since I was born before that time, I was able to get my records eventually. Now I never knew that because I trusted what my parents said until I realized, Oh, they see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear. And then I'll ask a lot of questions and you know, me growing up in the sixties and the seventies and part of the eighties is question everything, listen to rock and roll and question everything.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=212.8" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:32</a>):</p><p>Paige talked a little bit about her adoption and her childhood. She highlighted that adoption was a closed topic in her home. So she was left to develop her own understanding about what adoption means by herself, without adult support and guidance. She says her parents were operating under the assumption that they were not able to conceive. Her father had been in the army and test suggested he wouldn't be able to reproduce. So he wrote himself off from becoming a father. Naturally,</p><p>Paige (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=239.66" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:59</a>):</p><p>they go get married. They think they can't conceive. And they decide when it's time that they want to have a kid, they go out and adopt me. And then six years later, they have my brother biologically.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=254.22" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:14</a>):</p><p>And what did they do for you? Do you remember that? Like, did you always know you were adopted and then what did it mean when your mom was pregnant?</p><p>Paige (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=261.12" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:21</a>):</p><p>I knew I was adopted and I had a rough idea what it meant as a kid, as it, especially as a small kid, I kind of equated it to like, Oh, like when you went in, you picked out a puppy out of the litter and we got a dog, you know? Yeah. And then, you know, say that sometimes the joke is the fastest way to conception is go adopt a kid. So they're, you know, there we got my brother. So I knew that he was coming into the world in a different way than I did. And I think one of the hardest things was all the people who went and on and on and you know, Hey, there's the miracle of life be. He's a boy, carry on the family name, you know, see, it makes my dad look like a big macho man. Cause he of all things, he produced a guy too, you know, they told me I couldn't have any and I'm irritable and all the talk about how much he looked like everybody ancestor people, grandparents, great grandparents.</p><p>Paige (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=319.97" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:19</a>):</p><p>He looked like my daddy, my mom had this. He had that, his toe looked like this. You know, his lip looked like that, all these things. And I'm just sitting here, like what about me? Um, yeah, he gets born, but at least they bring me a present. I rather had been told how much I looked like somebody and knew it was the truth. Then be handed whatever little gift thing but yeah, I did get some presents when he was born. But yeah, I, I would have rather have been a biologically born natural kid. Born like everybody else. I, there was no kid to my knowledge because nobody talked about it back then. No kid in my school or my neighborhood or anywhere else in the family. That was an adopted kid that I could hang out with or bond with or discuss with not around.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=371.93" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:11</a>):</p><p>Yeah. No topic is off the table. Back then</p><p>Paige (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=374.35" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:14</a>):</p><p>the topic was off the table. Right, right. So yeah, even if they were, we were all like people under undercover yet out in the open, you know, there was just nobody I could talk to about it.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=391.43" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:31</a>):</p><p>Paige chose to shut down her thoughts about her adoption. She chose to fake it til she made it as she put it. She didn't talk to anyone about adoption at all. Not even her closest girlfriends. And she developed a bit of a shame in her mind being an adoptee. She felt weird and isolated sometimes partially because there were also no other children in their family at all, just Paige and her brother, her mother was an only child. So there were no aunts and uncles and therefore, no first cousins, her dad had one sister who had a baby, but the baby died. The first person Paige told about her adoption was her high school, sweetheart. Who's now her husband, Paige was adamant that she could only marry a guy who would accept her as an adoptee.</p><p>Paige (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=436.67" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:16</a>):</p><p>Yeah. We were seniors in high school and kind of going through that whole senior year. And what if we never see each other again, stuff. And you know, we were in love and all those things, you know, and we were riding around in his car and I thought, well, yeah, this is going to make or break the relationship. Cause I thought it's up to that point. Any other guy? It was almost my truth meter. You know, it was the one little benefit that came out of it was like, if I'll never tell a guy that's not, the guy want to marry, you know, I will never get married before I tell anybody. And I didn't even want to have a kid if my own, I had no motivation for any of that, um, for, for years. Um, but I thought when I, when I met him, I was like, if there is any guy in this world that I will ever marry, this is the guy that it's going to be.</p><p>Paige (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=490.07" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:10</a>):</p><p>Because if I can't tell them the truth about being adopted, well, you can't have a baby with somebody and all of a sudden bammo you have no family history. You know, I'm sure people have done it, but I, I couldn't do that. So it was like, you know, this is the deal maker or breaker with this guy. And he was like, well, I got two adopted first cousins, no big deal in my family. But I was like, but it's a big deal to me. So don't even tell your mom and dad, I don't want anybody to know because they'll ask me dumb questions that I can't answer. They'll treat me funny. They'll look at me sideways. I know. I don't want anybody to know. So he was like, okay, you know, whatever you want, I'll never say a word. I'll never bring it up. So the only reason I'm telling you is because we're kind of like at this point in the relationship, you know, and then that was that. So, you know, yeah. We go through</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=537.3" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:57</a>):</p><p>test him kind of like it,</p><p>Paige (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=538.92" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:58</a>):</p><p>it was like a test. It was a guy test. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He passed. He passed.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=547.18" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:07</a>):</p><p>Paige said that in 1987, she was at home with her husband watching a local television program. The IRA Joe Fisher show, when a commercial came on, promoting the show, it advertised that the next episode would feature adoptees and a social worker. She said, watching that show triggered her curiosity. It provided a mailing address in Columbus, Ohio to apply, to receive her birth certificate. Paige was confused because her parents led her to believe that a closed adoption truly meant closed.</p><p>Paige (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=577.41" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:37</a>):</p><p>I was like, but my parents said my adoption was closed and I couldn't do this. But the TV they're saying it doesn't matter. Your record is open as far as Columbus goes, cause you're an adult. So the lady on the show that they interviewed was a lady running a support group here in town for Cub concern, United birth parents. We had nothing for uniquely adoptees, but Cub was covering everybody that wanted to come. And it was adoptive parents, birth parents adopted people. So I went to a meeting and they were like, write to this address, send them a copy of your social security number and your driver's license copy. And you know, your marriage license. Do they see your name change when you got married, they'll send it all to you. $20 check. So I did. And a month later I got my paperwork and I opened that I had in there, there was a copy of my amended birth certificate that looked like the one my parents raised me had.</p><p>Paige (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=635.16" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:35</a>):</p><p>And then there was the amended one and the decree of adoption in there. Then there was a name change form that said they were changing my name from what my birth mother had originally planned to name me to what my parents have raised me, decided they wanted to name me instead. So I'll tell you, this is really weird. I had this really spooky feeling like somebody was watching me. I felt for lack of a better term, spooky ghosty. When I opened that thing, like who's what's going on here? You know, who's watching me. I mean, it was, it was, it was creepy. Yeah. It felt like something wrong yet. Not wrong. It was going on. Yeah.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=673.07" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:13</a>):</p><p>Do you think you had that feeling because you had just not been able to openly talk about your adoption, so going seemingly behind your parents' back, I guess.</p><p>Paige (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=682.2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:22</a>):</p><p>Yeah, it was, it was a forbidden thing. What I've been told was forbidden my whole life and here I've got the power of God in my hands for the most part, you know, and my birth father, his name was on my birth certificate. Usually the birth mothers never put the man's name on there, especially if they don't want any the man to have anything to do with it. Or if they are mad or feel cheated by the birth father. And the people at Cubs said, well, if she wrote his name on there, she probably, you know, wanting to have a relationship with them and attached to him in some kind of way. If she, she felt she had nothing to hide by putting his name on there. So I'm like, Hmm.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=725.31" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:05</a>):</p><p>Paige was a school teacher. So while she acquired her personal information in April during the school year, she was way too busy to start a search until her summer break until then her mind wandered. And she racked her brain to try to remember if she had taught any children over the years with either her birth mother or birth father's last names. It's one of those things we adopt these do. Sometimes when we get a little bit of information we search for even the tiniest connection to where we might have crossed paths with someone we're biologically related to in our past, back in the late 1980s, there were no internet searches. So Paige investigation into her biological family required patients. She scoured library microphages and made long distance phone calls on old school landlines.</p><p>Paige (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=769.46" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:49</a>):</p><p>Yeah, 1987, I ran up a $360 phone bill making some long distance phone calls, which I guess would be about 800 bucks in today's money.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=778.29" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:58</a>):</p><p>She even requested courthouse records. Fortunately Paige had her birth father's first and last name. And with the luck of accurate information in those records, she found him in no time,</p><p>Paige (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/wNnu30Ooaa7PbBDVHJbopIN9yxzq0qvwAf-q_lko_y5xpLvzpkBkuajPZmHO4u72Egb1QAJy0_iVyO01sWWwR2zS-HQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=789.35" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:09</a>):</p><p>you know? So I go down there and start looking and I found him lickety split, mainly because he's a man and men don't change your last name when they get married most of the time. And then once he has housing address, when he bought a real house, his wife still owns the house today. I mean, they've been in that house 50 something years. Wow. So I found him first and what I learned just from the way I snooped. It took three days to make sure I had the right guy and all my facts about him because...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/043-when-i-looked-at-him-i-could-see-things-about-me]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1847</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2018 07:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/5de870ef-d00e-4833-934a-aa8682c92cd9/043-paige-final.mp3" length="43531910" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>45:21</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>43</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>43</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Paige didn’t even know that searching for her birth family was an option until she learned about it on local tv as an adult.  The topic of adoption was closed her whole life, partially because of how her parents understood and portrayed her closed adoption to her. Fortunately, Ohio law allowed her to access her original birth certificate…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>042 – This Little Voice Said, “You Gotta Do Something”</title><itunes:title>042 – This Little Voice Said, “You Gotta Do Something”</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Right before Sharon left for college, her parents sat her down to say she was of&nbsp;age to start looking for her&nbsp;birthparents. She had never contemplated that possibility before, so it took years for her to act on her desire to learn more about herself. In the late 1980s, she went through Catholic Charities to help retrace the path back to her biological family. But her assigned intermediary&nbsp;maintained tight control over the family’s communications, stifling their connection. For five years Sharon and her birth mother communicated laboriously through their intermediary before her mother closed the door.&nbsp;After years of silence in her reunion attempt, Sharon decided to try just one more time to break through her birth mother’s resistance, and she was glad she did. Her birth mother apologized for everything she had put Sharon through.</p><p>The post <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/042-little-voice-said-gotta-something/\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">042 – This Little Voice Said, “You Gotta Do Something”</a> appeared first on <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Sharon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.57" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:02</a>):</p><p>I tried to convey to Colleen, this is important to me. This is this the stuff about me that I've always wondered where it came from. And I don't know that she really understood. I think she had a lot of sorrow because she turned to me one time when we were visiting and said, I am just so sorry for what I put you through.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.28" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:30</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Sharon. She spoke with me from Houston, Texas. She was adopted through Catholic charities there in the late 1960s. Sharon was the older of two adoptees in her family. Her younger brother challenging her parents a lot along the way. In her twenties she found her biological relatives, but the decision was made for Sharon that there would be no meeting. When she finally made contact with her birth mother, a Catholic charities, intermediary maintain tight control over the communication stream. Frustrating everyone involved after years of silence in her reunion attempt, Sharon decided to try just one more time. And she was glad she did her birth mother apologized for everything she had put Sharon through. This is Sharon's journey. Sharon was born in 1967 in Houston. Her parents were unable to conceive children. So they adopted children. They were active in their local community. Her father with the fire department, her mother was a school nurse and they were a part of the church.</p><p>Sharon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=118.62" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:58</a>):</p><p>My father, my adoptive father had some chronic illness problems and just wasn't able to conceive. And, and, um, it was never really discussed, but it was just, you know, the understanding was is they just, they were infertile. So they wanted to adopt, you know, in the Catholic church, you know, the, the emphasis is on family. So if you aren't able to make a family go find one. So they, they adopted me. And, um, I was raised in Houston. I, uh, we lived in Houston. Then when I got to be a school age, my parents decided they didn't like the school district they're in Houston. So they found a community West in the West of Richmond. And we settled there and I started grade school and we were there all the way through high school.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=168.6" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:48</a>):</p><p>Sharon says she's always known. She was adopted and was made to feel comfortable in their family. For years after her adoption, her parents adopted a boy unrelated to Sharon. I asked how she got along with her brother.</p><p>Sharon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=184.95" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:04</a>):</p><p>Um, you know, as, as, as an older sister, I would look after him, but he pretty early on, he let it be known that he, he didn't jive with the rest of us. And he had his own ideas about things. And he was a boy and I was a girl and it was just, we tolerated each other.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=202.98" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:22</a>):</p><p>Yeah. You kind of allowed one another to go. Your separate ways</p><p>Sharon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=205.72" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:25</a>):</p><p>we got along. And there were times that, you know, we just really would rather have not have thought about, you know, just, and then when he got to be teenager, he was, I hate using this analogy, but it's, it was true. Especially after I started reading the primal wound, uh, and the books on adoptees, I was the good adoptee and he was the bad adoptee, so to speak. Um, I was the one that I wasn't necessarily interested in conforming, but I wasn't interested in rebelling. I wasn't interested in rejecting my adoptive parents. I wasn't interested in rejecting them. And I pretty much followed the rules, whatever rules were laid down, Robert, my brother, he, he, uh, he kept going in with the wrong crowd and ended up fighting with my parents a lot and causing a lot of problems for them.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=254.28" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:14</a>):</p><p>You know, it sounds like you were on a track with your parents to be very comfortable in your family. Very loved. And it sounds like to me, if, if I were in that family, I can see how I would be constantly reminded of my adoption because of this other child who was, you know, combative or yeah, yeah. An acquired taste in the family. Yeah.</p><p>Sharon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=283.2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:43</a>):</p><p>Yes. Because my brother, he very different. I wanted to go to college. He couldn't have cared less.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=290.69" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:50</a>):</p><p>Her brother got jealous of the attention and resources. Sharon was getting, when she went away to college, he joined the military, which seemed like it could lead to his success, but he undermined that success. Like he had done with so many other positive trajectories he had been on. But Sharon says that now that she's explored her own adoption as an adult, she realizes some of what her brother may have been going through.</p><p>Sharon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=313.98" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:13</a>):</p><p>And it wasn't until much later when I started exploring my own adoption, you know, my own, um, being an adoptee that I realized what my brother had been going through. And, and the, the thing that leaves the bitter taste in my mouth is even in an idyllic family where everything is good and everyone seems to be happy. There's still issues of identity and, uh, feeling like things aren't quite right. And when I read primal wound and really started looking into the community and realizing some things about being an adoptee, it just kills me to think that if only people who had been more educated, more aware of what the problems and what the issues would be, or what might be going through the adoptees mind,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=373.07" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:13</a>):</p><p>Sharon says her parents were very smart and really good people who seem to have a solid grasp on how to handle Sharon's need for support. When the time came for her to want to get questions about herself answered, she says, she wished they knew then what she knows now, because it would have helped them to parent her and understand things more deeply.</p><p>Sharon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=393.51" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:33</a>):</p><p>I look back on this stuff and I wish...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right before Sharon left for college, her parents sat her down to say she was of&nbsp;age to start looking for her&nbsp;birthparents. She had never contemplated that possibility before, so it took years for her to act on her desire to learn more about herself. In the late 1980s, she went through Catholic Charities to help retrace the path back to her biological family. But her assigned intermediary&nbsp;maintained tight control over the family’s communications, stifling their connection. For five years Sharon and her birth mother communicated laboriously through their intermediary before her mother closed the door.&nbsp;After years of silence in her reunion attempt, Sharon decided to try just one more time to break through her birth mother’s resistance, and she was glad she did. Her birth mother apologized for everything she had put Sharon through.</p><p>The post <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/042-little-voice-said-gotta-something/\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">042 – This Little Voice Said, “You Gotta Do Something”</a> appeared first on <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Sharon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.57" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:02</a>):</p><p>I tried to convey to Colleen, this is important to me. This is this the stuff about me that I've always wondered where it came from. And I don't know that she really understood. I think she had a lot of sorrow because she turned to me one time when we were visiting and said, I am just so sorry for what I put you through.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.28" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:30</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Sharon. She spoke with me from Houston, Texas. She was adopted through Catholic charities there in the late 1960s. Sharon was the older of two adoptees in her family. Her younger brother challenging her parents a lot along the way. In her twenties she found her biological relatives, but the decision was made for Sharon that there would be no meeting. When she finally made contact with her birth mother, a Catholic charities, intermediary maintain tight control over the communication stream. Frustrating everyone involved after years of silence in her reunion attempt, Sharon decided to try just one more time. And she was glad she did her birth mother apologized for everything she had put Sharon through. This is Sharon's journey. Sharon was born in 1967 in Houston. Her parents were unable to conceive children. So they adopted children. They were active in their local community. Her father with the fire department, her mother was a school nurse and they were a part of the church.</p><p>Sharon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=118.62" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:58</a>):</p><p>My father, my adoptive father had some chronic illness problems and just wasn't able to conceive. And, and, um, it was never really discussed, but it was just, you know, the understanding was is they just, they were infertile. So they wanted to adopt, you know, in the Catholic church, you know, the, the emphasis is on family. So if you aren't able to make a family go find one. So they, they adopted me. And, um, I was raised in Houston. I, uh, we lived in Houston. Then when I got to be a school age, my parents decided they didn't like the school district they're in Houston. So they found a community West in the West of Richmond. And we settled there and I started grade school and we were there all the way through high school.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=168.6" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:48</a>):</p><p>Sharon says she's always known. She was adopted and was made to feel comfortable in their family. For years after her adoption, her parents adopted a boy unrelated to Sharon. I asked how she got along with her brother.</p><p>Sharon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=184.95" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:04</a>):</p><p>Um, you know, as, as, as an older sister, I would look after him, but he pretty early on, he let it be known that he, he didn't jive with the rest of us. And he had his own ideas about things. And he was a boy and I was a girl and it was just, we tolerated each other.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=202.98" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:22</a>):</p><p>Yeah. You kind of allowed one another to go. Your separate ways</p><p>Sharon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=205.72" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:25</a>):</p><p>we got along. And there were times that, you know, we just really would rather have not have thought about, you know, just, and then when he got to be teenager, he was, I hate using this analogy, but it's, it was true. Especially after I started reading the primal wound, uh, and the books on adoptees, I was the good adoptee and he was the bad adoptee, so to speak. Um, I was the one that I wasn't necessarily interested in conforming, but I wasn't interested in rebelling. I wasn't interested in rejecting my adoptive parents. I wasn't interested in rejecting them. And I pretty much followed the rules, whatever rules were laid down, Robert, my brother, he, he, uh, he kept going in with the wrong crowd and ended up fighting with my parents a lot and causing a lot of problems for them.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=254.28" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:14</a>):</p><p>You know, it sounds like you were on a track with your parents to be very comfortable in your family. Very loved. And it sounds like to me, if, if I were in that family, I can see how I would be constantly reminded of my adoption because of this other child who was, you know, combative or yeah, yeah. An acquired taste in the family. Yeah.</p><p>Sharon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=283.2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:43</a>):</p><p>Yes. Because my brother, he very different. I wanted to go to college. He couldn't have cared less.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=290.69" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:50</a>):</p><p>Her brother got jealous of the attention and resources. Sharon was getting, when she went away to college, he joined the military, which seemed like it could lead to his success, but he undermined that success. Like he had done with so many other positive trajectories he had been on. But Sharon says that now that she's explored her own adoption as an adult, she realizes some of what her brother may have been going through.</p><p>Sharon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=313.98" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:13</a>):</p><p>And it wasn't until much later when I started exploring my own adoption, you know, my own, um, being an adoptee that I realized what my brother had been going through. And, and the, the thing that leaves the bitter taste in my mouth is even in an idyllic family where everything is good and everyone seems to be happy. There's still issues of identity and, uh, feeling like things aren't quite right. And when I read primal wound and really started looking into the community and realizing some things about being an adoptee, it just kills me to think that if only people who had been more educated, more aware of what the problems and what the issues would be, or what might be going through the adoptees mind,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=373.07" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:13</a>):</p><p>Sharon says her parents were very smart and really good people who seem to have a solid grasp on how to handle Sharon's need for support. When the time came for her to want to get questions about herself answered, she says, she wished they knew then what she knows now, because it would have helped them to parent her and understand things more deeply.</p><p>Sharon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=393.51" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:33</a>):</p><p>I look back on this stuff and I wish that they'd been able to acquire this information and have the support as adoptive parents, because I wasn't easy as a child. I had a lot of anger, things that I would get angry about and they'd go, what is your, what is wrong? What are you? So I wouldn't be able to express it. I wouldn't be able to put words to it. I wouldn't be able to describe what I was feeling. Even though I knew I was angry or frustrated, or there was this stuff going on in my chest that I couldn't get out. That's why when I read the primal wound, it finally gave labels. I know a lot of other people's well, I hate labels as this. This is a language that I can use. It may not be the perfect language. It may not be the most concise language, but it's something that has helped so much in my own journey. Being able to say, this is where it is. It makes me feel more human. At that point, I just felt like I was this freak, this oddball that couldn't, couldn't quite get with the rest of humanity. And therefore I'm, I'm damaged goods. So therefore I'm not as human or as, as the capable of, uh, emotional maturity. And it's been very frustrated. It's taken me 50 years to reach that point.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=476.38" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:56</a>):</p><p>When her parents found out from Catholic charities, that an infant was ready to be picked up for their adoption, they were completely unprepared to have a baby.</p><p>Sharon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=484.19" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:04</a>):</p><p>After they picked me up, they had to stop by the grocery store to get diapers and, you know, food and things like that. And so my mom left me in the car with my adoptive father. The minute she shut the door, my father told me I started screaming at the top of my lungs and wouldn't stop. I, you know, and it was funny growing up. But after reading the problem, I was like, Oh no, that's what that was really. It was a separation thing. It was a, you know, I'm with strangers. I don't belong to these people. And it had echoes into my own parenting experience. When I had my daughter long story short, she was born a premature baby and had to stay in the neonatal unit for a couple of months. And so finally came the day when we were able to bring her home. And I told my husband, I'm sitting in the back because if she starts crying, I want to be able to comfort her. Never cried a single thing. Not even, I'm not even a hint of a little whimper. She was like looking at me the whole time. But I, that was my fear that she would end up doing the same thing, you know, getting so scared and angry that she would scream all the levels. And it just, it had such resonance for me when I was reading the Prama wound, how all of that, that was my story.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=575.66" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:35</a>):</p><p>Sharon learned at 15 years old, that searching for her birth parents was something she could actually do. It was an option she had never considered before, but it started to make sense.</p><p>Sharon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=586.88" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:46</a>):</p><p>It didn't even occur to me to go looking. It just, you know, it was just, Oh, I'm adopted. I'm not, didn't, you know, I came from another family, but it was 15 years old. I was upset about something at school it had to do with theater. And that was when my mom told me, well, you do know, or I forget how she put it. You do know that, um, your birth parents were in the arts and I'm like, no, you didn't never tell me that. And she goes, yes, we were given non identifying information. And your mother was a music major or was into music. And your father was in theater. And which explained all of the artistic endeavors that I had done all my life. I attempted ballet. I liked to draw. I liked crafts. I liked to sing. I have a pretty good voice. And I was very much interested in becoming a writer. So all these artistic, creative endeavors completely at odds with the way my birth, my adoptive parents were who my dad was an accountant in. Mom was a nurse. And the family came from the teachers and nurses and CPAs and pragmatic, creative child arts and creative volatile type of person. They didn't know what to do with me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=665.38" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:05</a>):</p><p>Sensing Sharon's teenage angst. Her parents sat her down when she was 18 years old and said you're of legal age to go searching. But it took Sharon a few years to finally decide to do so when the time came, her parents were very supportive and she got the genuine sense that they truly wanted to help. Her father had always been into history and people's heritage. So he understood the importance of what Sharon wanted to accomplish. Her mother stood strong and her support to pushing down her own anxiety about the results of the search. We talked for a moment about how important it is for adoptive parents to learn as much as they can about supporting an adoptee's desire to search, because if they don't offer their genuine support so that they may be included, then they'll find themselves left out.</p><p>Sharon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=712.19" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:52</a>):</p><p>My one wish to see in the future is that any reform will include the adoptive parents. I don't know what they could go through, but just helping them understand that it's okay to help them support their search and their issues that they need to be aware of. And it would actually help them if they actually explored it, they would have a better understanding of their child, um, and, and help them out if they're genuinely interested in helping the child, then that that's the best way to deal with it.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=748.62" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:28</a>):</p><p>Yeah. And you know, another piece of that too, is, you know, in, in any classic parent child situation, regardless of how the, the family is set up, you know, the, in an instance where a parent says you can't do something, the first thing that the child does, no matter what age is, go do it. So this is the kind of thing that you should openly embrace upfront so that you can be a part of it as opposed to being excluded from it, because that can make it even that much more challenging is if you're not included, then you're, you are missing out on some really momentous things in your child's life. And there's no way to recreate that.</p><p>Sharon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=789.05" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:09</a>):</p><p>Yeah. And I was adopted in an era where it was the blank slate era. Oh, you know, the baby doesn't need anything more than your love, right? A baby is a blank slate. My adopted mother has even said that to me a couple of years ago. And I just looked at her cause I love you, mom. That was the generation she came from. It was a, you know, a blank slate. Baby's a blank slate. You can do anything. And I proved them wrong. And it just, it sets people up for disappointment thinking that they can exert a particular will over a child, you know, especially the will over nature. Nurturing is one thing. I mean, you, you've got to, as a parent exert, some kind of will in order to guide the child. But when it comes to their basic nature, there's nothing, you, you, you accept them as they are and you learn to appreciate them the way they are and you learn to love them the way they are. And I really think, uh, all of the reforms that need to go on and, and, and adoption will, will, should be towards that.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=853.59" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">14:13</a>):</p><p>When Sharon was in college in the 1980s, her parents contacted Catholic charities to launch the search process. It took eight months for the charity to find Sharon's first relative, but Sharon's decisions were being made for her. And she didn't have the support networks online. Like we do today to reach out for advice from others on how she should proceed.</p><p>Sharon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/KeipXaaGOOiWjkFENu3JO5GNfkliWGykEKq-P5AIi0XNmrC9OuDy9mZXOt4lLacCxrluSpnMyr6TW4bJVRNmE8YMypY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=873.57" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">14:33</a>):</p><p>They contacted me and said, we found your grandmother and she wants to meet you. And I was like, Oh, I didn't imagine that would happen. I would thought they would try to get ahold of the mother. And they said, well, they didn't want to do anything until they get a hold of the mother. And that took a little longer, but they got a hold of...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/042-this-little-voice-said-you-gotta-do-something]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1842</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2018 07:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ffc0138c-acfe-4f32-aa33-3e553a51b119/040-jennifer-ghoston-final.mp3" length="46981745" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>48:56</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>42</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>42</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Right before Sharon left for college, her parents sat her down to say she was of age to start looking for her birthparents. She had never contemplated that possibility before, so it took years for her to act on her desire to learn more about herself. In the late 1980s, she went through Catholic Charities to help…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>040 – I Mattered Throughout The Years</title><itunes:title>040 – I Mattered Throughout The Years</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer was perfectly comfortable with her adoption until her teen years when her self-awareness was heightened, and her desire to learn more&nbsp;about who she is bloomed.&nbsp;Protecting her parents feelings, she pushed away her desire to search for decades until one day her curiosity exploded again.&nbsp;In the&nbsp;end, her residual drive from her experience as a detective on the Chicago police force helped her to keep asking questions and pressing on with her search. Jennifer shares her warm feelings from knowing her birth mother always talked about her and her birth father’s family welcomed her w/ the same love they felt for her father.</p><p>The post <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/040-mattered-throughout-years/\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">040 – I Mattered Throughout The Years</a> appeared first on <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=5.35" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:05</a>):</p><p>She says, you know, when your mom would talk about you and say she had this baby in 64, you know, we just listened to her, you know, we didn't know cause they couldn't put a face or, you know, they're just listening to her, tell this story. So for me to start, this was like, you are real.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.28" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:30</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I&gt; who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis. And today you'll meet Jennifer. She's a recent transplant to Nashville, but she originally hails from Chicago's Washington Heights. On the South side, Jennifer told me she spent two years in foster care before being placed with her parents who were somewhat older. She was perfectly comfortable with her adoption until her teen years, when her self-awareness was heightened and her desire to learn more about who she is bloomed. Protecting her parents, she pushed away her desire to search for decades until one day. Her curiosity exploded again. In the end, her residual drive from her experience as a detective on the Chicago police force helped her to keep asking questions and pressing on with her search. This is Jennifer's journey. Jennifer was placed with her family from foster care. At two years old, her adoption was an open topic in her family and in her community. And she felt special because of it. But her teen years brought more self awareness and therefore more interest in the real meaning of what adoption actually meant for her.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=117.41" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:57</a>):</p><p>I was permanently placed there from foster care. I was in foster care for my first two years and, uh, it was great. You know, I always thought I was special here chosen and I never felt like that was a bad thing. I thought that was a pretty cool thing. Um, and everyone knew like, I, I don't ever remember like being sat down and told you're adopted, you know, so it was, um, yeah, it was something that was just kind of known to me and to everybody, you know? So it was in the family. Like there was no secret about that. And even in my neighborhood, you know, even, you know, even in a neighborhood, people knew and it wasn't a bad thing, you know, I just never felt that way now. I don't know what people were talking about, you know, amongst themselves, that, for me, it was a good thing.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=167.9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:47</a>):</p><p>I think around adolescence though, I began to wonder, you know, like how this different, um, I guess, uh, status how that, what that really meant, what does it really mean to be separated from my birth family? You know? And I, I do remember thinking that maybe this isn't so cool, you know, like other people look like each other cause they were biologically related. And so if I look like someone in my family, it was just like happenstance, you know, because I wasn't biologically related and I did, you know, it was interesting. I looked like my first cousins, like we look alike. And so people would say, Oh, I knew that was a cousin. Cause you know, cause I know that is not because we're related by blood, you know?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=222.66" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:42</a>):</p><p>Right. Jennifer's parents were born in the early 20th century, her father in 1916, her mother in 1924. So they were older parents, almost like grandparents to Jennifer. Usually people tell me their parents were of a certain childbearing age at the time of their adoption. I asked Jennifer if she knew why her parents adopted her when they were older.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=245.89" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:05</a>):</p><p>I think there was some ambivalence about it on my, from my dad. I think that he, that was not what you did. I know, I remember there was a story told to me that my dad said, well, first of all, my mother could not conceive. So that was always a point of contention because she wanted a baby. She wanted to have children. And um, her friends were having babies. And, and so this was a big deal to her. And I think that she wanted to adopt sooner, but my dad was kinda like, nah, you know, black folks don't do that. You know, like I remember a story being told to me that, that he said, you know, well, so and so down South, you know, a cousin of some relative had a baby that they really can't take care of. Why don't we just take care of that baby? And my mother was not for that because she felt that that cousin or that family member may come back in the picture and want their baby. And so she didn't feel comfortable. So I guess time was going by and you know, between her and my dad, they were just trying to figure that out. And I don't know, I guess maybe he just gave in, I don't know, but I think that that's why it was so much later. I think it was talked about much, you know, when they were younger,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=332.44" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:32</a>):</p><p>Jennifer was the only child in her family and her parents drove her to be a strong woman. Her father was a janitor in the public school system, but he was a people person, a traveler, and always read the newspaper to stay in touch with the world around him. Her mother was a librarian whose love for books, drove Jennifer's strength in reading. She says in her teen years looking like the others in her family, wasn't really an issue for her. Her mother was dark complected and her father was light and skin color. And Jennifer's skin tone was in between the two of them, but her teen years and the increased emotional awareness kids get around that time exacerbated Jennifer's curiosity about the differences she had noticed between herself and her family.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=376.48" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:16</a>):</p><p>I do remember, um, preadolescence adolescence, really kind of that rebellious, uh, age where I started to think, you know, I am different from, from my family, you know, there's some stuff going on where I'm different and I'd like to know why, you know what I remember feeling like that kind of like an edginess, you know,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=401.37" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:41</a>):</p><p>was it like starting to see differences in how you think about the world and may think about the world and approaches to sort of life issues? Or was it other stuff?</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=412.14" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:52</a>):</p><p>I think it was, I remember I was a tomboy and I remember just thinking, you know, I'm not identifying with the things my mother likes, you know, like I'm that I feel like, like there's a lot, that's different about her, but at the same time I was thinking, well, I'm just my own person. And I kinda just, yeah. Rationalize that I am a teenager, you know, I don't really think like their parents and I kinda put it away like that, but as I got older and I like now, when I think back what I was really feeling was, yeah, I'm different. There's something about my nature. That's different.</p><p>Damon (<a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer was perfectly comfortable with her adoption until her teen years when her self-awareness was heightened, and her desire to learn more&nbsp;about who she is bloomed.&nbsp;Protecting her parents feelings, she pushed away her desire to search for decades until one day her curiosity exploded again.&nbsp;In the&nbsp;end, her residual drive from her experience as a detective on the Chicago police force helped her to keep asking questions and pressing on with her search. Jennifer shares her warm feelings from knowing her birth mother always talked about her and her birth father’s family welcomed her w/ the same love they felt for her father.</p><p>The post <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/040-mattered-throughout-years/\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">040 – I Mattered Throughout The Years</a> appeared first on <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=5.35" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:05</a>):</p><p>She says, you know, when your mom would talk about you and say she had this baby in 64, you know, we just listened to her, you know, we didn't know cause they couldn't put a face or, you know, they're just listening to her, tell this story. So for me to start, this was like, you are real.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.28" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:30</a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I&gt; who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis. And today you'll meet Jennifer. She's a recent transplant to Nashville, but she originally hails from Chicago's Washington Heights. On the South side, Jennifer told me she spent two years in foster care before being placed with her parents who were somewhat older. She was perfectly comfortable with her adoption until her teen years, when her self-awareness was heightened and her desire to learn more about who she is bloomed. Protecting her parents, she pushed away her desire to search for decades until one day. Her curiosity exploded again. In the end, her residual drive from her experience as a detective on the Chicago police force helped her to keep asking questions and pressing on with her search. This is Jennifer's journey. Jennifer was placed with her family from foster care. At two years old, her adoption was an open topic in her family and in her community. And she felt special because of it. But her teen years brought more self awareness and therefore more interest in the real meaning of what adoption actually meant for her.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=117.41" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">01:57</a>):</p><p>I was permanently placed there from foster care. I was in foster care for my first two years and, uh, it was great. You know, I always thought I was special here chosen and I never felt like that was a bad thing. I thought that was a pretty cool thing. Um, and everyone knew like, I, I don't ever remember like being sat down and told you're adopted, you know, so it was, um, yeah, it was something that was just kind of known to me and to everybody, you know? So it was in the family. Like there was no secret about that. And even in my neighborhood, you know, even, you know, even in a neighborhood, people knew and it wasn't a bad thing, you know, I just never felt that way now. I don't know what people were talking about, you know, amongst themselves, that, for me, it was a good thing.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=167.9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:47</a>):</p><p>I think around adolescence though, I began to wonder, you know, like how this different, um, I guess, uh, status how that, what that really meant, what does it really mean to be separated from my birth family? You know? And I, I do remember thinking that maybe this isn't so cool, you know, like other people look like each other cause they were biologically related. And so if I look like someone in my family, it was just like happenstance, you know, because I wasn't biologically related and I did, you know, it was interesting. I looked like my first cousins, like we look alike. And so people would say, Oh, I knew that was a cousin. Cause you know, cause I know that is not because we're related by blood, you know?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=222.66" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">03:42</a>):</p><p>Right. Jennifer's parents were born in the early 20th century, her father in 1916, her mother in 1924. So they were older parents, almost like grandparents to Jennifer. Usually people tell me their parents were of a certain childbearing age at the time of their adoption. I asked Jennifer if she knew why her parents adopted her when they were older.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=245.89" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:05</a>):</p><p>I think there was some ambivalence about it on my, from my dad. I think that he, that was not what you did. I know, I remember there was a story told to me that my dad said, well, first of all, my mother could not conceive. So that was always a point of contention because she wanted a baby. She wanted to have children. And um, her friends were having babies. And, and so this was a big deal to her. And I think that she wanted to adopt sooner, but my dad was kinda like, nah, you know, black folks don't do that. You know, like I remember a story being told to me that, that he said, you know, well, so and so down South, you know, a cousin of some relative had a baby that they really can't take care of. Why don't we just take care of that baby? And my mother was not for that because she felt that that cousin or that family member may come back in the picture and want their baby. And so she didn't feel comfortable. So I guess time was going by and you know, between her and my dad, they were just trying to figure that out. And I don't know, I guess maybe he just gave in, I don't know, but I think that that's why it was so much later. I think it was talked about much, you know, when they were younger,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=332.44" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">05:32</a>):</p><p>Jennifer was the only child in her family and her parents drove her to be a strong woman. Her father was a janitor in the public school system, but he was a people person, a traveler, and always read the newspaper to stay in touch with the world around him. Her mother was a librarian whose love for books, drove Jennifer's strength in reading. She says in her teen years looking like the others in her family, wasn't really an issue for her. Her mother was dark complected and her father was light and skin color. And Jennifer's skin tone was in between the two of them, but her teen years and the increased emotional awareness kids get around that time exacerbated Jennifer's curiosity about the differences she had noticed between herself and her family.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=376.48" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:16</a>):</p><p>I do remember, um, preadolescence adolescence, really kind of that rebellious, uh, age where I started to think, you know, I am different from, from my family, you know, there's some stuff going on where I'm different and I'd like to know why, you know what I remember feeling like that kind of like an edginess, you know,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=401.37" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:41</a>):</p><p>was it like starting to see differences in how you think about the world and may think about the world and approaches to sort of life issues? Or was it other stuff?</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=412.14" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:52</a>):</p><p>I think it was, I remember I was a tomboy and I remember just thinking, you know, I'm not identifying with the things my mother likes, you know, like I'm that I feel like, like there's a lot, that's different about her, but at the same time I was thinking, well, I'm just my own person. And I kinda just, yeah. Rationalize that I am a teenager, you know, I don't really think like their parents and I kinda put it away like that, but as I got older and I like now, when I think back what I was really feeling was, yeah, I'm different. There's something about my nature. That's different.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=450.62" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:30</a>):</p><p>[inaudible] what did you do with those feelings about starting to really recognize, Hey, this is more than just me being a teenager. This is fundamental differences in me and the people around me</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=460.88" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">07:40</a>):</p><p>tucked it away. Just really put it, put it in the back. Yeah. Background. I think, you know, my life has been pretty full meaning, you know, from high school to college to, you know, work in, you know, my career and then a family. And, and it just feels like it's just been nonstop in so many ways. And so maybe when the thought would pop up, I would just kinda put it down. And I will say a lot of it has to do with the fact that I knew my birth. I mean, my adopted mom didn't want me to search.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=495.85" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:15</a>):</p><p>Oh, is that right?</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=496.73" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:16</a>):</p><p>I knew. Yeah. Yeah. Like she didn't want to talk, want me to talk about it? So it was never really talked about, um,</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=505.25" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:25</a>):</p><p>the search.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=508.9" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:28</a>):</p><p>Yeah. The wool ball, I guess. I mean, I remember asking her, you know, what does she think about? I might have been a teenager. I still was. She think about me searching. And she said, why would you want to do that? You know, you have your family. And so it was just really taboo. The whole topic was taboo. And so I never wanted her to feel like I was unappreciative, you know, or, you know, didn't was unhappy know, like that's what it seemed like. It meant to her that I must be unhappy or I must not feel good about this family. None of that.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=546.18" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:06</a>):</p><p>So Jennifer buried her feelings for a long time. It wasn't until many years after her mother passed away in 2002 that the feelings came back, her natural and career trained curiosity for asking probing questions kicked in as well as her desire to fill out her son's family tree from her side of the family</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=566.63" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:26</a>):</p><p>years after she passed that it just, it hit me like, what are you waiting for? You know, because I am a naturally curious person, you know, I was a detective my last 16 years, um, with the police department and I, that was what I did, you know, ask questions, you know, dig and dig and investigate, you know? So here I am putting this off after all the time.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=593.61" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:53</a>):</p><p>Yeah. You did it as a career for everyone, but yourself.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=598.61" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">09:58</a>):</p><p>Yeah, exactly. But when the time came, it was odd. It was like just really something. When I finally said let's do this. And I think my son, cause he was around 20 at the time, it really started to hit me that his tree was really not balanced. His family tree. You know, he had his dad's whole biological piece, but he didn't have mine. And somehow that just didn't feel right.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=624.49" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">10:24</a>):</p><p>So Jennifer contacted an Illinois agency that provides adoptees guidance on how to do a search. They recommended she obtained a copy of her adoption decree and recommended. She wait a little while because the adoption records laws in the state were about to change in her favor still. She knew she could be accumulating information about herself prior to Illinois adoption records being opened. She found out what hospital she was born in, what agency assisted with her adoption and other information. The adoption decree had her birth name redacted, but the Chicago childcare society was listed as the assisting agency and is still open today. They prepared a non-identifying report for her for $100. The information in the report was invaluable to Jennifer because it allowed her to connect with parts of her past.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=672.68" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:12</a>):</p><p>So all of this is going on prior to the lot changing where I can request my original birth certificate and all of this information is actually very valuable. I mean, it's like more than an OBC can give you, you know, so yeah, none of that was in vain, you know, as I waited for the law to change.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=693.4" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:33</a>):</p><p>Yeah. What kinds of, what, what kinds of stuff did you learn in that document?</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=697.46" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">11:37</a>):</p><p>Well, the agency, the hospital I learned, um, the salvation army hospital is where I was delivered, which was actually a home for unwed or pregnant mothers. And so I learned that my birth mother had gone there to stay, you know, and give birth. I learned, um, and that's what, that was a hospital on the North side of Chicago. And so my birth mom was living far South. So this was a great big distance, so to speak from home so that nobody would know what was like, where she was or what was going on. Yeah. And I learned, um, what that facility was all about, you know, um, I took a visit to the salvation army building and actually the building is so much like it was back in the sixties, you know, like walking through Santa cafeterias and the chapel, like all that was set up like that years ago. So that was really interesting. You had to see that to see the rooms that the girls stayed in, you know, while they were pregnant.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=762.87" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:42</a>):</p><p>You, you took a walk through history and you, you as an infant had passed through those hallways.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=768.48" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">12:48</a>):</p><p>Absolutely. It's funny you say that. Cause that's exactly what it was, was like I had been there before, so I was really just revisiting it cause I had been there before.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=780.51" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:00</a>):</p><p>That's amazing what an experience Jennifer was still waiting to get some identifying information. The Chicago childcare society was very clear. They could only give Jennifer limited info.</p><p>Jennifer (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/LN9nTLDOPY6IF6t7mSQ6nJfb0WXczWM1OtXboactds425GhKvVqwdEDhuVKPcaggG3fLrhENHl1VlakU9aRbgdOafv0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=792.38" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">13:12</a>):</p><p>Yeah. I hadn't gotten any identifying information. And the Chicago childcare society, you know, was quite clear that legally they could only give me bits and pieces. I mean, when they were looking at a file, my file and in that file is my original birth certificate is, you know, my originally I was just information about my birth family. They couldn't give that to me, you know, according to the law. So I remember being very frustrated about that. You know, that they're looking at documents that would never be as important to them as, as they are to me and yet having]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/040-i-mattered-throughout-the-years]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">407898d3-2933-4407-a512-d28554864f92</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/fa45706a-6fc8-479a-baa8-63e016bb24e9/o8y9MvobQjPXiXE8sBv-8JLZ.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2018 07:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/a7650908-edef-49da-99c1-0031c484bdd8/040-jennifer-ghoston-final.mp3" length="34164591" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>35:35</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>2</itunes:season><itunes:episode>40</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>40</podcast:episode><podcast:season>2</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Jennifer was perfectly comfortable with her adoption until her teen years when her self-awareness was heightened, and her desire to learn more about who she is bloomed. Protecting her parents feelings, she pushed away her desire to search for decades until one day her curiosity exploded again.  In the end, her residual drive from her experience as a…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>040 – I Mattered Throughout The Years</title><itunes:title>040 – I Mattered Throughout The Years</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer was perfectly comfortable with her adoption until her teen years when her self-awareness was heightened, and her desire to learn more&nbsp;about who she is bloomed.&nbsp;Protecting her parents feelings, she pushed away her desire to search for decades until one day her curiosity exploded again.&nbsp;In the&nbsp;end, her residual drive from her experience as a detective on the Chicago police force helped her to keep asking questions and pressing on with her search. Jennifer shares her warm feelings from knowing her birth mother always talked about her and her birth father’s family welcomed her w/ the same love they felt for her father.</p><p>The post <a href=\"http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/040-mattered-throughout-years/\" target=\"_blank\">040 – I Mattered Throughout The Years</a> appeared first on <a href=\"http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\" target=\"_blank\">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer was perfectly comfortable with her adoption until her teen years when her self-awareness was heightened, and her desire to learn more&nbsp;about who she is bloomed.&nbsp;Protecting her parents feelings, she pushed away her desire to search for decades until one day her curiosity exploded again.&nbsp;In the&nbsp;end, her residual drive from her experience as a detective on the Chicago police force helped her to keep asking questions and pressing on with her search. Jennifer shares her warm feelings from knowing her birth mother always talked about her and her birth father’s family welcomed her w/ the same love they felt for her father.</p><p>The post <a href=\"http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/040-mattered-throughout-years/\" target=\"_blank\">040 – I Mattered Throughout The Years</a> appeared first on <a href=\"http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\" target=\"_blank\">Who Am I...Really? 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Protecting her parents feelings, she pushed away her desire to search for decades until one day her curiosity exploded again.  In the end, her residual drive from her experience as a…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>038 – Interview w/ One Of My Two Genealogists</title><itunes:title>038 – Interview w/ One Of My Two Genealogists</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>When I met Bill, summer 2017, and found out he was a genealogist, I was excited to hear everything he had to say.&nbsp;I wanted to hear more about his own personal history,&nbsp;how he got into genealogy, and&nbsp;the clients he’s helped. My birth mother was also a genealogist, but I never got to learn about her work before she passed away. I was really lucky to find Bill who also ended up being one of my genealogists!</p><p>The post <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/038-interview-w-one-two-genealogists/\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">038 – Interview w/ One Of My Two Genealogists</a> appeared first on <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I met Bill, summer 2017, and found out he was a genealogist, I was excited to hear everything he had to say.&nbsp;I wanted to hear more about his own personal history,&nbsp;how he got into genealogy, and&nbsp;the clients he’s helped. My birth mother was also a genealogist, but I never got to learn about her work before she passed away. I was really lucky to find Bill who also ended up being one of my genealogists!</p><p>The post <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/038-interview-w-one-two-genealogists/\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">038 – Interview w/ One Of My Two Genealogists</a> appeared first on <a href="\&quot;http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\&quot;" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? 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I wanted to hear more about his own personal history, how he got into genealogy, and the clients he’s helped. My birth mother was also a genealogist, but I never got to learn about her…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>037 – Interview w/ A Search &amp; Reunion Social Worker</title><itunes:title>037 – Interview w/ A Search &amp; Reunion Social Worker</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Lee, my search &amp; reunion social worker in Baltimore, MD, unlocked many of the answers about why I was placed for adoption. She worked to locate my biological mother, Ann, and read my birth mother’s introductory&nbsp;letter to me over the phone. For National Adoption Awareness Month I interviewed Lee about her passion for searches and reunions, her personal connection to adoption, stories from&nbsp;her decades of experience&nbsp;supporting children and families in Baltimore.</p><p>The post <a href=\"http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/037-interview-w-search-reunion-social-worker/\" target=\"_blank\">037 – Interview w/ A Search &amp; Reunion Social Worker</a> appeared first on <a href=\"http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\" target=\"_blank\">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p>]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee, my search &amp; reunion social worker in Baltimore, MD, unlocked many of the answers about why I was placed for adoption. She worked to locate my biological mother, Ann, and read my birth mother’s introductory&nbsp;letter to me over the phone. 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Podcast</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/037-interview-w-a-search-reunion-social-worker]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1792</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2017 07:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/568f81f7-b403-49b2-b07d-26598bc8acb6/037-lee-b-final.mp3" length="40512469" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>42:12</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>37</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>37</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Lee, my search &amp; reunion social worker in Baltimore, MD, unlocked many of the answers about why I was placed for adoption. She worked to locate my biological mother, Ann, and read my birth mother’s introductory letter to me over the phone. For National Adoption Awareness Month I interviewed Lee about her passion for searches and…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>035 – Interview w/ A Search Angel – For Every Answer You Get, There Are More Questions</title><itunes:title>035 – Interview w/ A Search Angel – For Every Answer You Get, There Are More Questions</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>November is National Adoption Awareness Month, so I’m bringing you a different perspective from the adoption community. On prior&nbsp;episodes&nbsp;you’ve heard adoptees talk about the amazing work that they’re search angels have done with them.&nbsp;Today I’m introducing you to one of those search Angels. You’ve already heard about her work in my interview with Stephanie (in episode 29) where she lauded the work of her amazing spouse AND Search Angel, Diana. Diana has always been into family history and exploring genealogy, so when&nbsp;Stephanie’s search for her birth relatives began Diana was all in. Diana shares the processes she goes through to assist adoptees in their searches, some lessons she’s learned over years of searching, and why her volunteer work to help others is meaningful to her.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/035-interview-w-search-angel-every-answer-get-questions/" target="_blank">035 – Interview w/ A Search Angel – For Every Answer You Get, There Are More Questions</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Diana (00:00):</p><p>There's a transformation that happens with people and my experience with adoptees is people start out saying, I just want to know a name and I like to say for every answer you get, you end up with five more questions because then it's not just a name. Then you want to know what they look like. Then you want to know something about them. Then you know, then you want to know, did they wonder about me?</p><p>Voices (00:38):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon (00:49):</p><p>This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and it's November, which is National Adoption Awareness month. So on today's show, I'm bringing you another different perspective from across the adoption community. Here on Who Am I Really, I focus on people's adoption journeys and their attempts at reunification with their biological family members. On prior episodes, you've heard adoptees talk about the amazing work that their search angels have done with them. Today, I'm introducing you to one of those search angels. You've already heard about her work. in my interview with Stephanie in episode 29 where she talked about her amazing spouse and search angel Diana.</p><p>Stephanie (01:34):</p><p>Diana is now a California search angel. This became one of those things that you know I felt so strongly about as did she, that she got involved in the search angel community.</p><p>Damon (01:45):</p><p>She found a calling and you were her first client.</p><p>Stephanie (01:48):</p><p>Well, that's kind of the way it is.</p><p>Damon (01:50):</p><p>Diana says she's always been into family history and exploring genealogy, so when Stephanie's search for her birth relatives began, she was all in. Diana shares the processes she goes through to assist adoptees in their searches, some lessons she learned over the years of searching and why her volunteer work to help others is meaningful to her. Here's the story of Diana's work as a search angel. I started by asking Diana what her own connection to adoption had been. She says in her younger days, she didn't really think about adoption even though there were one or two adoptees around her that she was aware of. Everything changed when she met Stephanie. Diana was very close to her own mother, but when she witnessed Stephanie's interaction with her mother, they had one of the oddest interactions she had ever seen between mother and daughter.</p><p>Diana (02:43):</p><p>There was just something about it, the body language, the way her mother spoke to her. I remember when her mother left the room, I asked her, I said, Stephanie, what's your relationship with your mother like? And she looked at me and she goes, I hope you won't think that I'm strange when I say this, but I find my relationship with my mother to be very unnatural.</p><p>Damon (03:12):</p><p>Hmm. So you picked up on it though right away?</p><p>Diana (03:15):</p><p>Yeah. There was something very odd. There was some huge disconnect to me that was so obvious between her and her mother. And then she went on to say, I've always had this feeling that I was adopted.</p><p>Damon (03:31):</p><p>When they confirmed Stephanie was adopted, Diana started doing research on the subject of adoption. It was eye opening for Diana who didn't have a personal experience with adoption before.</p><p>Diana (03:42):</p><p>There's a transformation that happens with people. And my experience with adoptees is people start out saying, I just want to know a name. And I like to say for every answer you get, you end up with five more questions because then it's not just a name. Then you want to know what they look like. Then you want to know something about them, then you know, then you want to know, did they wonder about me? So when we confirmed that Stephanie was adopted, we had all these questions and we weren't even, you know, you don't even know what to ask.</p><p>Damon (04:20):</p><p>Yeah, that's right. Like you said, you don't know what you don't know.</p><p>Stephanie (04:23):</p><p>Right. And, you know, um, I started doing research on adoption, you know, and I was amazed at all of the things out there on the internet about adoption, the politics involved in it, the, um, the attacks on adoptees who search, you know, they, they talk about an adoption tree at the birth, parents, the adoptive parents and the adoptee. Well, I think families get affected by everything. So I think there's an expansion of that because even though I'm not adopted, uh, I have no idea what it feels like to be adopted. I know what it's like to live with somebody and to watch their transformation of finding peace.</p><p>Damon (05:11):</p><p>And you assisted with that peace. I heard when Stephanie told her story, I was amazed at how she continued to go back to you with your excellent sleuthing and dedication to helping her find answers, you know, more answers to every question, uh, that she had. I was just astonished. And how fortunate to have that there right in your house. You know, so many people I hear stories of, you know, engaging with search angels online and from a distance and I get the impression that the, the relationship can be, it gets very personal because you're talking about a person's past in a very intimate way and details that they didn't know before. Um, but she has that interaction right there in her home with you. Right. That must've been really fascinating. Diana said she's done genealogy for years. She loved hearing the family stories of immigration. And her own roots back to the birth of this nation. Stephanie had never been into genealogy, but Diana pounced on ancestry.com when it launched. Diana talks about her own work on genealogy first from the perspective of Stephanie's case.</p><p>Diana (06:21):</p><p>But when we found out Stephanie was adopted and I thought, okay, so we have to figure out where your mother is. And then I wanted to understand, you know, my first inclination is, well, surely she would want to know that you're okay. I've never had kids, but I was thinking, surely this woman would want to know that you were okay. And I went out on the internet and I started doing research and I found, again, lots of politics. You know, the difference between the terminology, birth mother and first mother, um, things that I just had never considered.</p><p>Damon (06:58):</p><p>What other kinds of things arose for you that you were just like, Whoa, I had no idea that was a thing.</p><p>Diana (07:05):</p><p>Oh gosh, I learned so much. You know, my, my nice little compartment of somebody who had a kid and couldn't care for it and somebody couldn't have one and could like blew up.</p><p>Damon (07:15):</p><p>Oh yeah.</p><p>Diana (07:16):</p><p>I mean I had no idea. And then I would find sites where, um, and I'm gonna use the term birth mothers in our discussion only for descriptive of the difference between, and I will also use the term adoptive. Not everybody was given the choice, which was kind of shocking to me. And I read blogs and stories about women who said they were drugged and they don't even aren't sure what day they gave birth. And I found articles in old newspapers about sealed records. And uh, there was one from, I think California records weren't sealed until some prominent family who had adopted, um, was going to be extorted for money, pay us or we're going to tell your child they're not really yours, you know? Um, and then I thought, well, I guess there's a wide variety of opinions, like with most things in life</p><p>Damon (08:15):</p><p>Mhmm and scenarios for conception, adoption plans and actual adoptions.</p><p>Diana (08:23):</p><p>And the secrets, the secrets that are associated with it. Because for me, when I, when it all boils down, that's for me, I can't speak for others. There's nothing wrong with adoption. There's something wrong with the secrets associated with it. How do you mean? Well, they're like legal lies there. You know, I remember when we got Stephanie's original birth certificate, we put it next to her amend one. And she looked at me and said, the funniest thing, but it's so true. She said, look, I'm a car. I got retitled! She says, if you think about what happens when you retitle a car, she goes, that's exactly what this looks like. And I looked at her and I said, how can this be legal? This is like some bizarre form of identity theft.</p><p>Damon (09:16):</p><p>Yeah. There's a lot of adoptees out there that feel very strongly that their identity has been stolen by virtue of their transplantation into another family, away from their culture and so many other factors. And uh, you know, and in many ways that is true. Um, there are many of the adoptees that are]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>November is National Adoption Awareness Month, so I’m bringing you a different perspective from the adoption community. On prior&nbsp;episodes&nbsp;you’ve heard adoptees talk about the amazing work that they’re search angels have done with them.&nbsp;Today I’m introducing you to one of those search Angels. You’ve already heard about her work in my interview with Stephanie (in episode 29) where she lauded the work of her amazing spouse AND Search Angel, Diana. Diana has always been into family history and exploring genealogy, so when&nbsp;Stephanie’s search for her birth relatives began Diana was all in. Diana shares the processes she goes through to assist adoptees in their searches, some lessons she’s learned over years of searching, and why her volunteer work to help others is meaningful to her.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/035-interview-w-search-angel-every-answer-get-questions/" target="_blank">035 – Interview w/ A Search Angel – For Every Answer You Get, There Are More Questions</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Diana (00:00):</p><p>There's a transformation that happens with people and my experience with adoptees is people start out saying, I just want to know a name and I like to say for every answer you get, you end up with five more questions because then it's not just a name. Then you want to know what they look like. Then you want to know something about them. Then you know, then you want to know, did they wonder about me?</p><p>Voices (00:38):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon (00:49):</p><p>This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and it's November, which is National Adoption Awareness month. So on today's show, I'm bringing you another different perspective from across the adoption community. Here on Who Am I Really, I focus on people's adoption journeys and their attempts at reunification with their biological family members. On prior episodes, you've heard adoptees talk about the amazing work that their search angels have done with them. Today, I'm introducing you to one of those search angels. You've already heard about her work. in my interview with Stephanie in episode 29 where she talked about her amazing spouse and search angel Diana.</p><p>Stephanie (01:34):</p><p>Diana is now a California search angel. This became one of those things that you know I felt so strongly about as did she, that she got involved in the search angel community.</p><p>Damon (01:45):</p><p>She found a calling and you were her first client.</p><p>Stephanie (01:48):</p><p>Well, that's kind of the way it is.</p><p>Damon (01:50):</p><p>Diana says she's always been into family history and exploring genealogy, so when Stephanie's search for her birth relatives began, she was all in. Diana shares the processes she goes through to assist adoptees in their searches, some lessons she learned over the years of searching and why her volunteer work to help others is meaningful to her. Here's the story of Diana's work as a search angel. I started by asking Diana what her own connection to adoption had been. She says in her younger days, she didn't really think about adoption even though there were one or two adoptees around her that she was aware of. Everything changed when she met Stephanie. Diana was very close to her own mother, but when she witnessed Stephanie's interaction with her mother, they had one of the oddest interactions she had ever seen between mother and daughter.</p><p>Diana (02:43):</p><p>There was just something about it, the body language, the way her mother spoke to her. I remember when her mother left the room, I asked her, I said, Stephanie, what's your relationship with your mother like? And she looked at me and she goes, I hope you won't think that I'm strange when I say this, but I find my relationship with my mother to be very unnatural.</p><p>Damon (03:12):</p><p>Hmm. So you picked up on it though right away?</p><p>Diana (03:15):</p><p>Yeah. There was something very odd. There was some huge disconnect to me that was so obvious between her and her mother. And then she went on to say, I've always had this feeling that I was adopted.</p><p>Damon (03:31):</p><p>When they confirmed Stephanie was adopted, Diana started doing research on the subject of adoption. It was eye opening for Diana who didn't have a personal experience with adoption before.</p><p>Diana (03:42):</p><p>There's a transformation that happens with people. And my experience with adoptees is people start out saying, I just want to know a name. And I like to say for every answer you get, you end up with five more questions because then it's not just a name. Then you want to know what they look like. Then you want to know something about them, then you know, then you want to know, did they wonder about me? So when we confirmed that Stephanie was adopted, we had all these questions and we weren't even, you know, you don't even know what to ask.</p><p>Damon (04:20):</p><p>Yeah, that's right. Like you said, you don't know what you don't know.</p><p>Stephanie (04:23):</p><p>Right. And, you know, um, I started doing research on adoption, you know, and I was amazed at all of the things out there on the internet about adoption, the politics involved in it, the, um, the attacks on adoptees who search, you know, they, they talk about an adoption tree at the birth, parents, the adoptive parents and the adoptee. Well, I think families get affected by everything. So I think there's an expansion of that because even though I'm not adopted, uh, I have no idea what it feels like to be adopted. I know what it's like to live with somebody and to watch their transformation of finding peace.</p><p>Damon (05:11):</p><p>And you assisted with that peace. I heard when Stephanie told her story, I was amazed at how she continued to go back to you with your excellent sleuthing and dedication to helping her find answers, you know, more answers to every question, uh, that she had. I was just astonished. And how fortunate to have that there right in your house. You know, so many people I hear stories of, you know, engaging with search angels online and from a distance and I get the impression that the, the relationship can be, it gets very personal because you're talking about a person's past in a very intimate way and details that they didn't know before. Um, but she has that interaction right there in her home with you. Right. That must've been really fascinating. Diana said she's done genealogy for years. She loved hearing the family stories of immigration. And her own roots back to the birth of this nation. Stephanie had never been into genealogy, but Diana pounced on ancestry.com when it launched. Diana talks about her own work on genealogy first from the perspective of Stephanie's case.</p><p>Diana (06:21):</p><p>But when we found out Stephanie was adopted and I thought, okay, so we have to figure out where your mother is. And then I wanted to understand, you know, my first inclination is, well, surely she would want to know that you're okay. I've never had kids, but I was thinking, surely this woman would want to know that you were okay. And I went out on the internet and I started doing research and I found, again, lots of politics. You know, the difference between the terminology, birth mother and first mother, um, things that I just had never considered.</p><p>Damon (06:58):</p><p>What other kinds of things arose for you that you were just like, Whoa, I had no idea that was a thing.</p><p>Diana (07:05):</p><p>Oh gosh, I learned so much. You know, my, my nice little compartment of somebody who had a kid and couldn't care for it and somebody couldn't have one and could like blew up.</p><p>Damon (07:15):</p><p>Oh yeah.</p><p>Diana (07:16):</p><p>I mean I had no idea. And then I would find sites where, um, and I'm gonna use the term birth mothers in our discussion only for descriptive of the difference between, and I will also use the term adoptive. Not everybody was given the choice, which was kind of shocking to me. And I read blogs and stories about women who said they were drugged and they don't even aren't sure what day they gave birth. And I found articles in old newspapers about sealed records. And uh, there was one from, I think California records weren't sealed until some prominent family who had adopted, um, was going to be extorted for money, pay us or we're going to tell your child they're not really yours, you know? Um, and then I thought, well, I guess there's a wide variety of opinions, like with most things in life</p><p>Damon (08:15):</p><p>Mhmm and scenarios for conception, adoption plans and actual adoptions.</p><p>Diana (08:23):</p><p>And the secrets, the secrets that are associated with it. Because for me, when I, when it all boils down, that's for me, I can't speak for others. There's nothing wrong with adoption. There's something wrong with the secrets associated with it. How do you mean? Well, they're like legal lies there. You know, I remember when we got Stephanie's original birth certificate, we put it next to her amend one. And she looked at me and said, the funniest thing, but it's so true. She said, look, I'm a car. I got retitled! She says, if you think about what happens when you retitle a car, she goes, that's exactly what this looks like. And I looked at her and I said, how can this be legal? This is like some bizarre form of identity theft.</p><p>Damon (09:16):</p><p>Yeah. There's a lot of adoptees out there that feel very strongly that their identity has been stolen by virtue of their transplantation into another family, away from their culture and so many other factors. And uh, you know, and in many ways that is true. Um, there are many of the adoptees that are thankful for the life that they have. The, the spectrum of, um, those who are, you know, disgruntled and frustrated by, you know, having been detached from the original culture and, and potential life. And then those who are, you know, just thankful to have to be alive and to have had the opportunities that they've had. There's a wide array of people in between, um, who, and they, and I think people oscillate between different pieces of that spectrum as well. Diana and Stephanie believe that people on all sides of adoption need to embrace elements of the adoption that are sometimes held in opposition to one another. The ands.</p><p>Diana (10:20):</p><p>And I always found it sad that her mother could never grasp the and. Um, Stephanie was adopted and she should still get to know the truth.</p><p>Damon (10:34):</p><p>Right.</p><p>Diana (10:34):</p><p>You know, Stephanie was adopted and she could still be curious about who, who the woman was that gave birth to her.</p><p>Damon (10:44):</p><p>Diana works with adoptees on their searches. And it sounds to me like the learning process is bi-directional. Adoptees learn from Diana's experiences in search and Diana learns from each person she engages on their case.</p><p>Diana (10:57):</p><p>The other thing I learned and, and I tried to tell this to people that I work with on their searches. Uh, their adoption to me wasn't about them, their search is. But their adoption, if you really boil it down to it had nothing to do with that child. Adoptees talk about being rejected and I'm like, you didn't even have a personality. They didn't know they were trying to take care of something in their lives.</p><p>Damon (11:26):</p><p>It's transactional.</p><p>Diana (11:27):</p><p>Your adoption was the outcome of something else. And I've had adoptees say to me, wow, I never thought about it that way because to them it is so personal. It is a form of rejection. Now when you choose to search, search is totally about you.</p><p>Damon (11:47):</p><p>Yeah, that's right. What other advice do you give adoptees when they're beginning with you?</p><p>Diana (11:52):</p><p>You know, I try to get people to be honest with themselves. How are you going to, you know, how do you see this ending and how are you going to feel if it doesn't end the way you want it to?</p><p>Damon (12:04):</p><p>Let's talk a little bit about your work as a search angel. What kinds of things do you do? How does your process start when you find a client and how do you sort of engage with them? What's the process like?</p><p>Diana (12:19):</p><p>Well, a lot of it, um, starts based on how they ask the question.</p><p>Damon (12:23):</p><p>And what does that mean?</p><p>Diana (12:24):</p><p>Well, I get some emails where I'm thinking the wording of this really kind of makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. Um, now I'll tell you in the beginning I was so fascinated with the idea that I could go out and research records and find stuff and give people an answer. I didn't really think through that they might need help knowing what to do with that information, how to do something with it. And I share a lot of Stephanie's story with other people.</p><p>Damon (12:56):</p><p>What did that change for you when you discovered like, it's not just about me being an investigator and handing over a file of answers, but I'm actually needing to help people cope with the answers I'm providing. What did that do?</p><p>Diana (13:11):</p><p>Well, Stephanie was the one who pointed it out to me and she goes, you know, you're really good at this record thing, but you gotta remember there's people at all different levels emotionally at the end of that. And I think that really hit home with me when I helped somebody on a search. Um, and she says, well, I'm not going to try to contact her because if she rejects me again, I might kill myself.</p><p>Damon (13:37):</p><p>Oh, and what did you say? How did you help her?</p><p>Diana (13:40):</p><p>That was pretty early on in my days of doing searches for people and I was kind of like, I didn't know what to say. And I had a discussion with Stephanie and that's when we had the whole talk about trying to feel people out more, find out what they're trying to get out of this.</p><p>Damon (13:55):</p><p>It sounds like you started off early, fairly naive about that piece of the process about helping someone synthesize the answers. You've given them into something actionable. Have you changed your, for lack of better words, vetting process and have you actually ever turned someone away and say, I don't think that I can help you right now.</p><p>Diana (14:20):</p><p>I have told people I couldn't help them because at the end of the day we all have to do what we can live with after having done it. And um, I have received a few requests that because of how they were written made me very uncomfortable. It is not part of my methodology to go out and research the person who is searching. I take people at face value if they're following the process of getting on ID and things like that, you know, I believe their heart's in the right place and maybe I can help them. I got a request one day. There was something about how it was written that just seemed off to me. I decided to research. So a social worker said she was trying to help the birth mother understand why she lost her daughter and I thought, you're a social worker. You have access to stuff that the rest of us don't. Why would you take to the internet to do something like that? That just seemed odd to me, so I actually researched the name of the birth mother and found out it was a bad story. There's something wrong when a social worker takes to the internet to do something like this and my concern is that there is some person calling themselves the search angel out there who thinks it's cooler to make sure they get the information than to understand the ramifications behind it. Now it puts me in an odd spot because who am I to judge?</p><p>Damon (15:57):</p><p>But like you said, you have to be in a position at the end of the process to live with whatever the outcome was and the research that you've done. Yeah, I, I hear you and I can certainly understand why there would be times when you might turn down a chance to help somebody. Diana shared why search angel work is so appealing to her. She found kindred spirits with other search angels and she was welcomed into the community. But she acknowledges that there are some barriers that prevent adoptees from getting the information that they should be entitled to.</p><p>Diana (16:32):</p><p>And when I was working on Stephanie's information, like somebody sent me a picture of Stephanie's uncle from classmates.com and yearbook and I thought, Oh my God, this person did some research and look at what they found. And I thought that was so cool.</p><p>Diana (16:54):</p><p>I found myself amongst people who were first mothers, birth mothers, adoptees, even adoptive parents who were search angels. And I liked how they thought. I liked their philosophy. And I kinda got invited into what we call the secret underground of sisterhood. And there's a few guys in there too that people do searches for people for free. And I thought how cool is that? Now I'd come across the whole, there's lots of controversy about paid searches. You know, my personal feelings about that is everybody has a right to make a living. What I think is wrong about the paid searching part is if you have to pay somebody to go figure out your original record cause the government sealed it from you. I think that's wrong. Yeah. If you have a name because you have your original birth certificate and you want to pay somebody to go find a person. That's a whole different ballgame.</p><p>Damon (17:53):</p><p>The, it sounded like there was a policy piece in there too about government not necessarily being open in all places for people to obtain all of their information. Is that, did I hear that correctly too?</p><p>Diana (18:06):</p><p>Oh yeah. I mean every uh, birth certificates are issued are our state legislative, just like driver's license are just, I mean it's an identity. It's a piece of your identity.</p><p>Damon (18:18):</p><p>Right.</p><p>Diana (18:18):</p><p>So each state gets to decide how they're going to deal with that. I watched a hearing on YouTube, I believe it was in Washington state where a birth mother and adoptive mother had known each other since the child was 12 and they still couldn't get the original birth certificate. And I was kind of, yeah, these two women are testifying and say, we all know who each other are, but the government continues to seal the record.</p><p>Damon (18:49):</p><p>Yeah. It's an unnecessary rigidity for the rules. That doesn't make any sense. One of the, again, I interviewed a guest last night and the gentleman was saying, you know, he was like in his twenties he's mid twenties and he's begun his search and he's, you know, petitioning the courts to try to get access to some of his documents. But the court required him to have consent from his adoptive parents to do the search. And he's like, are you kidding me? I'm damn near 30 like why should I have to, you know, I'm an adult, I've been able to, you know, vote and drink and all kinds of things that are expected to be responsibilities of an adult since 18 and 21. I'm 27 and you're telling me you have to go get my parents to sign this document to get these records. That's crazy. So yeah, there are some unnecessarily rigid policies out there. What other kinds of things have you found to be policy inhibitors to helping your search? Where are places where policy needs to be changed that, that you just find consistently is a, is a challenge for you in your job?</p><p>Diana (19:54):</p><p>Um, well I mean the original birth certificate, I mean that really is, you know, with, with websites, the older people are, the more, uh, data is available, you know. Um, I, I knew, I met...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/035-interview-w-a-search-angel-for-every-answer-you-get-there-are-more-questions]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1779</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2017 07:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/be37e7ce-1f50-4c63-a7f3-3df0a076eb81/035-diana-i-final.mp3" length="36085432" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>37:35</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>35</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>35</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>November is National Adoption Awareness Month, so I’m bringing you a different perspective from the adoption community. On prior episodes you’ve heard adoptees talk about the amazing work that they’re search angels have done with them. Today I’m introducing you to one of those search Angels. You’ve already heard about her work in my interview with Stephanie (in…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>032 – Intervew With The Gift Of Adoption Fund</title><itunes:title>032 – Intervew With The Gift Of Adoption Fund</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Today I’m bringing you something a little different for #NationalAdoptionMonth. There are a lot of people, processes, and policies integral to the adoption of a child, raising a child, and supporting that person’s desire to search for their birth family. I’m bringing you a few stories from across the adoption continuum.&nbsp;The first is that of the Gift Of Adoption Fund (https://giftofadoption.org/donate/), a volunteer-driven non-profit organization that raises funds to provide adoption assistance grants to complete the adoption of vulnerable children. Gift of Adoption’s CEO Pam Devereux shares a little of her own story of being personally driven to helping others, the mission of the organization, and how she hopes many more of us will consider donating to charities that support adoption because, ultimately, the welfare of all children is on all of us.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/032-gift-adoption/" target="_blank">032 – Intervew With The Gift Of Adoption Fund</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Pam (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8yfkq2zOuErlsLT1dsRrCHBJ6WxUlz3rfgTgb3lK5u9yFoQYxRgyy6P7PNy6XoWqB4oyEzM6_yVTQK-kf-8RXCWbH3o?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=0.03" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:00</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Adoption is sort of like a one day sort of thing, but then the family is forever and so hearing about the ripple effect of that to me is what warms my heart and it just makes me feel grateful for what we're able to do.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8yfkq2zOuErlsLT1dsRrCHBJ6WxUlz3rfgTgb3lK5u9yFoQYxRgyy6P7PNy6XoWqB4oyEzM6_yVTQK-kf-8RXCWbH3o?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=23.63" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:23</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8yfkq2zOuErlsLT1dsRrCHBJ6WxUlz3rfgTgb3lK5u9yFoQYxRgyy6P7PNy6XoWqB4oyEzM6_yVTQK-kf-8RXCWbH3o?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=30.81" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:30</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members? I'm Damon Davis and today I'm bringing you something a little different. Normally Who Am I Really shares stories of adoptees trying to connect with their birth families, but in talking to so many adoptees, it has become clear to me that there are a lot of people, processes and policies integral to the adoption of a child, raising a child and supporting that person's desire to search for their birth family. There are birth parents, foster parents and adoptive parents. There are social workers, search angels, policymakers in court systems and advocacy groups all contributing their piece to the adoption community. For National Adoption Month, I'm bringing you a few stories from across the adoption continuum. Don't worry. I still have reunion stories planned, but I wanted to share some other perspectives too. The first is that of a volunteer driven nonprofit organization that raises funds to provide adoption assistance grants to complete the adoption of vulnerable children. The organization is called The Gift of Adoption Fund and my guest today is Pam Devereaux, CEO of The Gift of Adoption. You may hear me refer to it as GOA. You can find them online at giftofadoption.org. Pam shares a little of her own story of being personally driven to help others. The mission of Gift of Adoption and how she hopes many more of us will consider donating to charities that support adoption because ultimately the welfare of all children is on all of us.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8yfkq2zOuErlsLT1dsRrCHBJ6WxUlz3rfgTgb3lK5u9yFoQYxRgyy6P7PNy6XoWqB4oyEzM6_yVTQK-kf-8RXCWbH3o?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=133.26" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:13</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I asked Pam a little bit about herself because I really wanted to know what kind of person becomes CEO of a charitable organization that helps fund adoptions. She's from Chicago and she studied business at the University of Illinois. Pam told me she always felt the urge to help others and wanted to join the Peace Corps when she was younger. She graduated college, got a job in banking instead then achieved her master's degree and wondered what the next move for her should be. At her next job in the insurance industry, she developed the skills and responsibilities for her business unit that would mold her for the next move into philanthropy. In the 1990s Pam joined the Make A Wish Foundation.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Pam (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8yfkq2zOuErlsLT1dsRrCHBJ6WxUlz3rfgTgb3lK5u9yFoQYxRgyy6P7PNy6XoWqB4oyEzM6_yVTQK-kf-8RXCWbH3o?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=172.74" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:52</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I guess I really thought, um, in college that I would end up helping out, you know, maybe going the Peace Corps or something like that. I think I always had a heart for doing something bigger for others. Make A Wish was really growing in brand and organizational structure. And so some of the background I had from Zurich Insurance helped in Make A Wish and at Make A Wish, I was there almost about eight years. We really grew the organization and the Illinois chapter was one of the largest chapters around the nation and just a great exposure to great leaders and great board membership and governance. And again, sort of that idea of taking an idea that was growing and kind of putting a structure behind it. I followed a board chair to Ernest and Young, so I got a chance to move back into the for profit sector, was part of Ernest and Young for awhile. And at that time I adopted my daughter. I was a single person at the time and adopted my daughter from China. She was about one when she came home. And sort of the confluence of all of those things had me meeting the Founder of Gift Adoption, Gene Wyka, he and his wife Lucy cofounded Gift of Adoption. And really at that time, just the culmination of all things, kind of that idea from a business perspective of taking, taking an idea and moving it into an operation and kind of that startup thing is really attractive to me. So when I met the founder, I joined the national board and then shortly after that a year or so in, they were looking for new leadership for The Gift of Adoption. And so I, I raised my hand, I sort of had my hand raised for me. Uh, yeah. So then I became part of The Gift of Adoption team.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8yfkq2zOuErlsLT1dsRrCHBJ6WxUlz3rfgTgb3lK5u9yFoQYxRgyy6P7PNy6XoWqB4oyEzM6_yVTQK-kf-8RXCWbH3o?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=269.84" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:29</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">That's amazing. What did the founder say to you when you first met that sort of attracted you to the organization?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Pam (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8yfkq2zOuErlsLT1dsRrCHBJ6WxUlz3rfgTgb3lK5u9yFoQYxRgyy6P7PNy6XoWqB4oyEzM6_yVTQK-kf-8RXCWbH3o?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=277.11" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:37</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">You know what, what I love about Gene is he's a visionary, uh, but he's also super, super practical. And so what I loved about Gift of Adoption was it's clarity of purpose. You know, I love one focus. I think really being an expert and excellent and then, and the leader in the one thing you do is something that's very attractive to me. So Gift of Adoption at that time and still is the largest, um, organization providing adoption assistance grants on a nondiscriminatory basis. So what he said was that this is an idea that can grow. And he also really to me, talked about how this idea complimented the existing structures that were already in place for adoption. You know, there's so many phenomenal things happening from legislators and advocacy groups and all the agencies that have been around some for a hundred, a hundred plus years. But ultimately, you know, for me common sense is adoption is at some level of financial transaction. I mean it really does take funds to get it done.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8yfkq2zOuErlsLT1dsRrCHBJ6WxUlz3rfgTgb3lK5u9yFoQYxRgyy6P7PNy6XoWqB4oyEzM6_yVTQK-kf-8RXCWbH3o?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=339.99" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:39</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Right.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Pam (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8yfkq2zOuErlsLT1dsRrCHBJ6WxUlz3rfgTgb3lK5u9yFoQYxRgyy6P7PNy6XoWqB4oyEzM6_yVTQK-kf-8RXCWbH3o?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=340.23" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:40</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And to me the idea that that would be an impediment was really troublesome and I thought it's something we definitely could tackle. And so I just again love the simplicity and clarity and just really that complimentary mission that I think can make a nonprofit excellent.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today I’m bringing you something a little different for #NationalAdoptionMonth. There are a lot of people, processes, and policies integral to the adoption of a child, raising a child, and supporting that person’s desire to search for their birth family. I’m bringing you a few stories from across the adoption continuum.&nbsp;The first is that of the Gift Of Adoption Fund (https://giftofadoption.org/donate/), a volunteer-driven non-profit organization that raises funds to provide adoption assistance grants to complete the adoption of vulnerable children. Gift of Adoption’s CEO Pam Devereux shares a little of her own story of being personally driven to helping others, the mission of the organization, and how she hopes many more of us will consider donating to charities that support adoption because, ultimately, the welfare of all children is on all of us.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/032-gift-adoption/" target="_blank">032 – Intervew With The Gift Of Adoption Fund</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Pam (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8yfkq2zOuErlsLT1dsRrCHBJ6WxUlz3rfgTgb3lK5u9yFoQYxRgyy6P7PNy6XoWqB4oyEzM6_yVTQK-kf-8RXCWbH3o?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=0.03" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:00</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Adoption is sort of like a one day sort of thing, but then the family is forever and so hearing about the ripple effect of that to me is what warms my heart and it just makes me feel grateful for what we're able to do.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8yfkq2zOuErlsLT1dsRrCHBJ6WxUlz3rfgTgb3lK5u9yFoQYxRgyy6P7PNy6XoWqB4oyEzM6_yVTQK-kf-8RXCWbH3o?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=23.63" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:23</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8yfkq2zOuErlsLT1dsRrCHBJ6WxUlz3rfgTgb3lK5u9yFoQYxRgyy6P7PNy6XoWqB4oyEzM6_yVTQK-kf-8RXCWbH3o?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=30.81" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:30</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members? I'm Damon Davis and today I'm bringing you something a little different. Normally Who Am I Really shares stories of adoptees trying to connect with their birth families, but in talking to so many adoptees, it has become clear to me that there are a lot of people, processes and policies integral to the adoption of a child, raising a child and supporting that person's desire to search for their birth family. There are birth parents, foster parents and adoptive parents. There are social workers, search angels, policymakers in court systems and advocacy groups all contributing their piece to the adoption community. For National Adoption Month, I'm bringing you a few stories from across the adoption continuum. Don't worry. I still have reunion stories planned, but I wanted to share some other perspectives too. The first is that of a volunteer driven nonprofit organization that raises funds to provide adoption assistance grants to complete the adoption of vulnerable children. The organization is called The Gift of Adoption Fund and my guest today is Pam Devereaux, CEO of The Gift of Adoption. You may hear me refer to it as GOA. You can find them online at giftofadoption.org. Pam shares a little of her own story of being personally driven to help others. The mission of Gift of Adoption and how she hopes many more of us will consider donating to charities that support adoption because ultimately the welfare of all children is on all of us.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8yfkq2zOuErlsLT1dsRrCHBJ6WxUlz3rfgTgb3lK5u9yFoQYxRgyy6P7PNy6XoWqB4oyEzM6_yVTQK-kf-8RXCWbH3o?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=133.26" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:13</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I asked Pam a little bit about herself because I really wanted to know what kind of person becomes CEO of a charitable organization that helps fund adoptions. She's from Chicago and she studied business at the University of Illinois. Pam told me she always felt the urge to help others and wanted to join the Peace Corps when she was younger. She graduated college, got a job in banking instead then achieved her master's degree and wondered what the next move for her should be. At her next job in the insurance industry, she developed the skills and responsibilities for her business unit that would mold her for the next move into philanthropy. In the 1990s Pam joined the Make A Wish Foundation.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Pam (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8yfkq2zOuErlsLT1dsRrCHBJ6WxUlz3rfgTgb3lK5u9yFoQYxRgyy6P7PNy6XoWqB4oyEzM6_yVTQK-kf-8RXCWbH3o?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=172.74" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:52</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I guess I really thought, um, in college that I would end up helping out, you know, maybe going the Peace Corps or something like that. I think I always had a heart for doing something bigger for others. Make A Wish was really growing in brand and organizational structure. And so some of the background I had from Zurich Insurance helped in Make A Wish and at Make A Wish, I was there almost about eight years. We really grew the organization and the Illinois chapter was one of the largest chapters around the nation and just a great exposure to great leaders and great board membership and governance. And again, sort of that idea of taking an idea that was growing and kind of putting a structure behind it. I followed a board chair to Ernest and Young, so I got a chance to move back into the for profit sector, was part of Ernest and Young for awhile. And at that time I adopted my daughter. I was a single person at the time and adopted my daughter from China. She was about one when she came home. And sort of the confluence of all of those things had me meeting the Founder of Gift Adoption, Gene Wyka, he and his wife Lucy cofounded Gift of Adoption. And really at that time, just the culmination of all things, kind of that idea from a business perspective of taking, taking an idea and moving it into an operation and kind of that startup thing is really attractive to me. So when I met the founder, I joined the national board and then shortly after that a year or so in, they were looking for new leadership for The Gift of Adoption. And so I, I raised my hand, I sort of had my hand raised for me. Uh, yeah. So then I became part of The Gift of Adoption team.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8yfkq2zOuErlsLT1dsRrCHBJ6WxUlz3rfgTgb3lK5u9yFoQYxRgyy6P7PNy6XoWqB4oyEzM6_yVTQK-kf-8RXCWbH3o?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=269.84" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:29</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">That's amazing. What did the founder say to you when you first met that sort of attracted you to the organization?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Pam (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8yfkq2zOuErlsLT1dsRrCHBJ6WxUlz3rfgTgb3lK5u9yFoQYxRgyy6P7PNy6XoWqB4oyEzM6_yVTQK-kf-8RXCWbH3o?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=277.11" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:37</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">You know what, what I love about Gene is he's a visionary, uh, but he's also super, super practical. And so what I loved about Gift of Adoption was it's clarity of purpose. You know, I love one focus. I think really being an expert and excellent and then, and the leader in the one thing you do is something that's very attractive to me. So Gift of Adoption at that time and still is the largest, um, organization providing adoption assistance grants on a nondiscriminatory basis. So what he said was that this is an idea that can grow. And he also really to me, talked about how this idea complimented the existing structures that were already in place for adoption. You know, there's so many phenomenal things happening from legislators and advocacy groups and all the agencies that have been around some for a hundred, a hundred plus years. But ultimately, you know, for me common sense is adoption is at some level of financial transaction. I mean it really does take funds to get it done.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8yfkq2zOuErlsLT1dsRrCHBJ6WxUlz3rfgTgb3lK5u9yFoQYxRgyy6P7PNy6XoWqB4oyEzM6_yVTQK-kf-8RXCWbH3o?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=339.99" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:39</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Right.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Pam (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8yfkq2zOuErlsLT1dsRrCHBJ6WxUlz3rfgTgb3lK5u9yFoQYxRgyy6P7PNy6XoWqB4oyEzM6_yVTQK-kf-8RXCWbH3o?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=340.23" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:40</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And to me the idea that that would be an impediment was really troublesome and I thought it's something we definitely could tackle. And so I just again love the simplicity and clarity and just really that complimentary mission that I think can make a nonprofit excellent.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8yfkq2zOuErlsLT1dsRrCHBJ6WxUlz3rfgTgb3lK5u9yFoQYxRgyy6P7PNy6XoWqB4oyEzM6_yVTQK-kf-8RXCWbH3o?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=356.42" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:56</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah, it's a really phenomenal mission. And I think, you know, for me as an adoptee, I was clearly sort of part of the transactional process of the thing. So as I started to delve more and more into this space of what the entirety of the process looks like, it didn't even really occur to me before that time that there were actually some significant costs, monetary costs that a family has to be ready to, um, to go for. And if they are willing to bring home a child and, and that shouldn't be an impediment. You're absolutely right. Tell me a little bit about where Gift of Adoption comes along in the process and, and so you've said, just say it again, like you give, you give grants, tell me a little bit more about the process of how a family comes to you and where you are supportive to that family in their process.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Pam (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8yfkq2zOuErlsLT1dsRrCHBJ6WxUlz3rfgTgb3lK5u9yFoQYxRgyy6P7PNy6XoWqB4oyEzM6_yVTQK-kf-8RXCWbH3o?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=407.36" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:47</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So families, uh, come to us in the process pretty much they can come to us at any time. Um, where we interject and where we provide adoption grants is for that last leg of funding. But a lot of times we'll talk to families, we'll encourage them to apply, we'll actually connect him to other providers. I mean, we love people who have a heart for adoption and um, you know, it doesn't cross everybody's mind and when it does, you know, we're very, very interested and keeping that enthusiasm going. I think the Dave Thomas Foundation research shows that one in four families seriously consider adoption for their own family. And so we have a big heart for that. But then they go on to say that only, um, 2% sort of start the process and one completes the process and financial barriers are one of the key things that keep people from moving forward or completing an adoption.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8yfkq2zOuErlsLT1dsRrCHBJ6WxUlz3rfgTgb3lK5u9yFoQYxRgyy6P7PNy6XoWqB4oyEzM6_yVTQK-kf-8RXCWbH3o?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=459.221" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:39</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Wow.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Pam (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8yfkq2zOuErlsLT1dsRrCHBJ6WxUlz3rfgTgb3lK5u9yFoQYxRgyy6P7PNy6XoWqB4oyEzM6_yVTQK-kf-8RXCWbH3o?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=460.15" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:40</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So in general, we love when people are interested in this and we feel so grateful. That's why everything we would do works because America's the most adoptive nation, um, in the, in the world and many families, um, one in six families have a firsthand experience with, with adoption. So they find us anytime, but mainly when we can provide adoption grants is for that last bit of funding to complete the adoption. So our grants of up to $7,500 usually are the last 10 to 20% of costs needed to complete an adoption. And so we're really partnering with families who have accredited home studies, who have been matched with a child. Um, they have a bonafide financial need and we're just that last bit of funding to get them over that hurdle.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8yfkq2zOuErlsLT1dsRrCHBJ6WxUlz3rfgTgb3lK5u9yFoQYxRgyy6P7PNy6XoWqB4oyEzM6_yVTQK-kf-8RXCWbH3o?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=506.91" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:26</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I'm on the Capital Region Chapter Board of Gift of Adoption and on one of our coordinating calls. A GOA representative said there are times when children in sibling groups may actually be divided if one of the siblings ages out of care. It's heartbreaking to think that sibling groups, the only family those kids know could be separated if they're not adopted. I shared with Pam that hearing that scenario renewed my desire to be a part of Gift of Adoption because that is a situation we can work together to prevent.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Pam (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8yfkq2zOuErlsLT1dsRrCHBJ6WxUlz3rfgTgb3lK5u9yFoQYxRgyy6P7PNy6XoWqB4oyEzM6_yVTQK-kf-8RXCWbH3o?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=539.37" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:59</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah, Damon. So we really follow the vision and the original priority of the founders, which is to really place the most vulnerable children first. So we have tons of people who apply to us. We say yes to as many as possible, but because of funding barriers we're able to only say out of every three applicants we can say one yes to one and and we have to say no to two. So again, we want to say yes to as many as possible, but given the limited financial resources, we continue to prioritize adoption grants for kids who from our view are really looking at what could be their only chance at having a family. And like you said, these are children who are siblings sets, older, sometimes special needs physical, um, emotional special needs. Just times where this can be their one shot at having a family. This is really who, who we want to prioritize.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8yfkq2zOuErlsLT1dsRrCHBJ6WxUlz3rfgTgb3lK5u9yFoQYxRgyy6P7PNy6XoWqB4oyEzM6_yVTQK-kf-8RXCWbH3o?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=594.97" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:54</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Pam shared a story that exemplifies the very reason Gift of Adoption exists. One family GOA helped, had been blessed to have their own children but found themselves desperately wanting to help Haitian children in the aftermath of the devastating earthquake in Haiti on January 12, 2010. Using an adoption agency, they followed the rigorous process of being certified for adoption, but the adoption agency presented them with an opportunity to adopt a sibling group, a six month old, a two year old and a four year old here in the United States. Their family needed to make an adoption plan for them to get a better opportunity for their lives. Pam received the call asking to assist the family.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Pam (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8yfkq2zOuErlsLT1dsRrCHBJ6WxUlz3rfgTgb3lK5u9yFoQYxRgyy6P7PNy6XoWqB4oyEzM6_yVTQK-kf-8RXCWbH3o?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=635.05" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>10:35</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">You know, it was so interesting because literally like on a Sunday evening, I got a call from that adoption agency that said, you know, if this family decides they would like to move forward, we know they're qualified. Can you help them? Can you assist them with a grant? And we said, absolutely. This is what we, this is why we exist. And so what was really neat though, run one at one quick thing. So yet they said, we said yes. They said yes, it all happened and the children are all merging and becoming close friends. But what was really neat, the dad in the story, the adoptive dad had said, you know what? It was this wonderful window of opportunity. He said, because we understood from our agency that if we weren't able to move forward soon or somebody wasn't, these children would have been split up and not been able to stay together as siblings. And he said that his mom, this, this adoptive father's mom had in fact been in foster care and had been split up from her siblings. So he said it was like this unique, wonderful way to sort of right that. And uh, you know, he said, we went forward in faith and said we just duty calls. And so now they're just this happy regular family.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8yfkq2zOuErlsLT1dsRrCHBJ6WxUlz3rfgTgb3lK5u9yFoQYxRgyy6P7PNy6XoWqB4oyEzM6_yVTQK-kf-8RXCWbH3o?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=701.53" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>11:41</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">That's really amazing. That's, that's really incredible. Pam and I chatted about the entire continuum of adoption. So I asked her what elements she would like to see changed. One idea was that we need get the real stories of adoption out there. Being realistic about the fact that just like any other home, we're talking about children, families and all of the complexities of family dynamics. Pam also said that many people who aren't directly involved in a child's adoption don't know how to get involved to help. And that donating to Gift of Adoption is a great way to do more.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Pam (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/8yfkq2zOuErlsLT1dsRrCHBJ6WxUlz3rfgTgb3lK5u9yFoQYxRgyy6P7PNy6XoWqB4oyEzM6_yVTQK-kf-8RXCWbH3o?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=735.46" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>12:15</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I think, you know, there'd be a lot of agreement around the idea that, you know, you want to debunk any misconceptions about it. Illusions, you know, that are overly positive or disillusions that are overly, you know, I mean it's, it's family, it's children, it's life, you know, it's happy, it's messy, it's all those things. And so I think really just debunking any kind of misconceptions about, you know, children who are adopted, adoption, the process, all that stuff. So I think just getting...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/032-intervew-with-the-gift-of-adoption-fund]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1760</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2017 05:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/713d31cb-6073-43a1-b9bd-60f22f17382d/032-pam-devereux-ceo-goa-final.mp3" length="29937661" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>31:11</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>32</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>32</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Today I’m bringing you something a little different for #NationalAdoptionMonth. There are a lot of people, processes, and policies integral to the adoption of a child, raising a child, and supporting that person’s desire to search for their birth family. I’m bringing you a few stories from across the adoption continuum. The first is that of…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>031 – Finding Hope</title><itunes:title>031 – Finding Hope</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Jamie grew up an only child with her wonderful adoptive parents in the suburbs of Atlanta, GA. She was happy to hear in reunion that her birth parents had already talked about her existence with their families.&nbsp;Living in&nbsp;Tennessee, she found her birth mother right back in Atlanta, in the same county where she lived as a girl. Jamie shares some truly special moments she was blessed to share with her birth father including a special dance, and an epic celestial event.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/031-finding-hope/" target="_blank">031 – Finding Hope</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Jamie (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=3.7" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:03</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I choose to know both of them today. You know from the time that I found them and not you know, anything in the past that's just, we all have paths and I choose to know them today and for who they are today, no matter what the situation was, you know, 38 years ago.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=24.55" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:24</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=35.97" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:35</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Jamie. She lives in Tennessee, but she grew up as an only child with her wonderful adoptive parents in the suburbs of Atlanta, Georgia. She started her search when she was 18 years old, finding her birth mother first in 2010 and her birth father recently in 2017 she was happy to hear in reunion that her birth parents had already talked about her existence with their families. Jamie tells the story of her blessings in reunification and some truly special moments she was able to share with her birth father when they first met. Here's Jamie's journey.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=84.23" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:24</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jamie was adopted as an infant and her parents were super loving when she was a child and their lives revolved around her and her activities. They got her involved in everything from dance and music lessons to church and choir. Jamie shared how her parents were doting parents and she was proud of being an adoptee, but her parents weren't comfortable with her openly discussing her adoption.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jamie (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=106.14" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:46</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, I had basically always known that I was adopted, but according to my mom, I was told by the son of a family friend when I was very young, maybe four or five-ish. I don't remember being told though. So for me it was just always my reality. It didn't change my world or make me question why or anything of that nature. They always told me I was special and um, made me feel very special. But yet they discouraged me from talking about adoption or sharing that I was adopted. They very much wanted me to just be theirs, you know? So it was not encouraged that we talked about it much. It was talked about very, very little between us. Now, I was very proud of it because I thought it was special and so I would tell anybody and everybody, as long as I didn't think they would tell my parents that I was talking about it.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=160.74" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:40</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Oh, that's so interesting. So you feel comfortable with it, but they kind of wanted to push it down and allow you to just be you in their family, not an adoptee in their family.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jamie (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=173.64" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:53</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I never felt adopted. I mean I knew it was adopted, you know? Like I said, I thought it was special, but I never felt different than any other kids that I knew of. I mean, honestly I don't think, if I hadn't been told, I don't think I would have ever questioned or wondered if I was adopted or anything of that nature.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=196.03" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:16</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Really?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jamie (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=196.03" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:16</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">No, I, I would have totally thought I was part of my family.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=199.51" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:19</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">That's kind of nice. Do you look like them? Do you, are you similar to them in different aspects of your life, your characteristics, personality traits and things?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jamie (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=209.12" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:29</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Um, I definitely do not look like my mom's side of the family. My dad's side of the family, I probably would have just thought that I look like them because they're have more blonde hair. So I would've just thought I got looks from my dad, you know, even though I didn't particularly facial wise look, look like any of them I could have fit in fine I suppose.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=232.64" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:52</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jamie (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=233.42" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:53</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Um, as far as personality goes, I am very outgoing, never meet a stranger. And my parents both were fairly shy and pretty opposite of that, but I really wouldn't have thought anything about it. I would've just thought it was from them encouraging me to be different than them, you know, they wanted me to be that way. So they encouraged me by, like I said, putting me in dance lessons and having me at church and you know, being out in the public arena and things like that.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=262.53" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:22</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I wondered why if Jamie was so comfortable at home, she decided to launch a search for her birth parents. She said she had many of the classic questions adoptees have about their circumstances of their adoption, wondering who she looked like and wondering if they thought about her on her birthday. Having learned and studied music, you'll hear Jamie talk about the song lyrics that resonate with her. Of course, what lyrics would resonate more than the words sung by a young orphan girl who wondered about her own parents too. Jamie also has a physical marker on her body that always reminds her about her own birthday.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jamie...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie grew up an only child with her wonderful adoptive parents in the suburbs of Atlanta, GA. She was happy to hear in reunion that her birth parents had already talked about her existence with their families.&nbsp;Living in&nbsp;Tennessee, she found her birth mother right back in Atlanta, in the same county where she lived as a girl. Jamie shares some truly special moments she was blessed to share with her birth father including a special dance, and an epic celestial event.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/031-finding-hope/" target="_blank">031 – Finding Hope</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Jamie (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=3.7" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:03</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I choose to know both of them today. You know from the time that I found them and not you know, anything in the past that's just, we all have paths and I choose to know them today and for who they are today, no matter what the situation was, you know, 38 years ago.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=24.55" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:24</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=35.97" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:35</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Jamie. She lives in Tennessee, but she grew up as an only child with her wonderful adoptive parents in the suburbs of Atlanta, Georgia. She started her search when she was 18 years old, finding her birth mother first in 2010 and her birth father recently in 2017 she was happy to hear in reunion that her birth parents had already talked about her existence with their families. Jamie tells the story of her blessings in reunification and some truly special moments she was able to share with her birth father when they first met. Here's Jamie's journey.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=84.23" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:24</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jamie was adopted as an infant and her parents were super loving when she was a child and their lives revolved around her and her activities. They got her involved in everything from dance and music lessons to church and choir. Jamie shared how her parents were doting parents and she was proud of being an adoptee, but her parents weren't comfortable with her openly discussing her adoption.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jamie (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=106.14" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:46</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, I had basically always known that I was adopted, but according to my mom, I was told by the son of a family friend when I was very young, maybe four or five-ish. I don't remember being told though. So for me it was just always my reality. It didn't change my world or make me question why or anything of that nature. They always told me I was special and um, made me feel very special. But yet they discouraged me from talking about adoption or sharing that I was adopted. They very much wanted me to just be theirs, you know? So it was not encouraged that we talked about it much. It was talked about very, very little between us. Now, I was very proud of it because I thought it was special and so I would tell anybody and everybody, as long as I didn't think they would tell my parents that I was talking about it.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=160.74" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:40</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Oh, that's so interesting. So you feel comfortable with it, but they kind of wanted to push it down and allow you to just be you in their family, not an adoptee in their family.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jamie (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=173.64" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:53</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I never felt adopted. I mean I knew it was adopted, you know? Like I said, I thought it was special, but I never felt different than any other kids that I knew of. I mean, honestly I don't think, if I hadn't been told, I don't think I would have ever questioned or wondered if I was adopted or anything of that nature.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=196.03" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:16</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Really?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jamie (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=196.03" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:16</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">No, I, I would have totally thought I was part of my family.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=199.51" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:19</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">That's kind of nice. Do you look like them? Do you, are you similar to them in different aspects of your life, your characteristics, personality traits and things?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jamie (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=209.12" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:29</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Um, I definitely do not look like my mom's side of the family. My dad's side of the family, I probably would have just thought that I look like them because they're have more blonde hair. So I would've just thought I got looks from my dad, you know, even though I didn't particularly facial wise look, look like any of them I could have fit in fine I suppose.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=232.64" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:52</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jamie (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=233.42" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:53</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Um, as far as personality goes, I am very outgoing, never meet a stranger. And my parents both were fairly shy and pretty opposite of that, but I really wouldn't have thought anything about it. I would've just thought it was from them encouraging me to be different than them, you know, they wanted me to be that way. So they encouraged me by, like I said, putting me in dance lessons and having me at church and you know, being out in the public arena and things like that.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=262.53" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:22</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I wondered why if Jamie was so comfortable at home, she decided to launch a search for her birth parents. She said she had many of the classic questions adoptees have about their circumstances of their adoption, wondering who she looked like and wondering if they thought about her on her birthday. Having learned and studied music, you'll hear Jamie talk about the song lyrics that resonate with her. Of course, what lyrics would resonate more than the words sung by a young orphan girl who wondered about her own parents too. Jamie also has a physical marker on her body that always reminds her about her own birthday.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jamie (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=297.17" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:57</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And I always connected with the song "Maybe" from the musical Annie, where she proposes what her parents might look like. You know, she's saying maybe they're this or maybe they're that, or maybe they're doing this or maybe they're doing that. Uh, I always loved that song and I even had a replica of the Annie necklace in the movie and, and I would hope, you know, that there was something like that that would connect me with my birth parents. It's kind of that little kid imagination dream type thing going on.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=325.73" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:25</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Oh yeah, definitely. Did you buy that necklace yourself?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jamie (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=329.49" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:29</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">No, my parents apparently got it for me. I don't really remember when, but probably when the movie was out and popular, you know?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=336.29" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:36</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Interesting.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jamie (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=338.89" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:38</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And in a way I did have my own little connection to my birth. That was really the only thing as a child that I had that connected me, and that was the fact that I had the scar on my side where I was accidentally cut by the doctor while I was being born during a C-section.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=357.4" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:57</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Really? Wow.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jamie (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=359.96" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:59</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Really? So that was always kind of my special little mark. Like, okay, this is real. I was, you know, cut like my surely my birth mom will, you know, know that when I find her that it will connect us, you know?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=378.88" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:18</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Wow. That's unreal. I've never heard anybody say that before. That's really fascinating. That's a connection that with you and your mom for the moment you came into this world, you're absolutely right.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=388.93" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:28</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">In college in 1997 Jamie found some of the early websites and chat rooms where adoption conversations were starting to happen online. She was looking for anyone who was looking for her. Jamie didn't have much hope or luck finding anything because she had nothing to go on. Her birth certificate was amended to include her adopted parents names, not her birth parents names. Then Jamie got a break. Her adoptive parents had some information to share, but they didn't give it to her. They gave it to someone else in what seems like kind of an open secret.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jamie (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=423.75" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:03</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, it wasn't too long after that when I was actually given the little bit of information about my birth parents that my adoptive parents and accidentally received during the adoption process. They were not supposed to have had it, but accidentally received a letter that had my birth mom's name, my birth date, her birth date, and her father's name. So now that I had her name and her birth date and her father's name, that was like, okay, this is a real person I can look for now.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=459.31" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:39</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I want to know your parents got this letter by accident, but how did you get the information from them?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jamie (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=466.42" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:46</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Again, they didn't really ever talk to me about being adopted much. Um, like I said, they like to keep it on the down low. So my dad had been ill after having a heart attack while I was in high school. And I don't know if he just thought maybe because he wasn't doing well that the information needed to be shared or what. But I had a, a long term boyfriend who um, they sometimes would travel together. Him and my parents to come visit me at college. And during one of those trips they actually told him this information so they wouldn't tell it to me, but they told it to him and told him not to tell me, but they wanted him to know it. I'm not sure if maybe they were like, well, yeah, I mean, I know he'll tell anyway. I don't, I'm not really sure. But he did tell me obviously. And so I was very, very happy to know and to have a name and to have this information.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=528.53" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:48</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">That's fascinating that they would entrust him with that. It's almost like they wanted him to tell you and they didn't want to be the ones to it, you know?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jamie (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=537.18" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:57</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah. That's, that's kinda how I felt. I thought surely they would know that he's going to tell me. I mean, otherwise why would they even tell him?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=546.08" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:06</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So how did you get the document though? He, he, they told your boyfriend, but did they actually physically hand you the document? Did you ask them about it?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jamie (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=554.97" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:14</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Um, no. When my mom accidentally received the letter. She opened it and she wrote down the information on a little, probably three by five piece of notebook paper. Today, I do have that piece of paper. But um, at the time, no, I did not have that. It was just told to him. I don't think he ever saw the paper as far as I know, it was all just told to him. And then he passed along to me.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/xgNq1jjYtixjDyjBZ-UtjOppnMLqrwZDb7hkM1DyGmlqsiAZ1dRki5XKNt5kCD3r0E9TG7Wa5VqJYvaJ9_d2Amut3QI?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=580.37" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:40</u></a><span style="color:...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/031-finding-hope]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1730</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2017 05:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/869ee4e0-557e-4e2a-a056-7a69cb1409ef/031-jamie-w-final.mp3" length="40471004" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>42:09</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>31</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>31</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Jamie grew up an only child with her wonderful adoptive parents in the suburbs of Atlanta, GA. She was happy to hear in reunion that her birth parents had already talked about her existence with their families. Living in Tennessee, she found her birth mother right back in Atlanta, in the same county where she lived as…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>030 – Don’t Fall For “I Can’t Talk To You On The Phone”</title><itunes:title>030 – Don’t Fall For “I Can’t Talk To You On The Phone”</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Jen&nbsp;had a very nice childhood with her parents and never really wanted to search for her birth parents until her friends started having kids. But the ultimate spark that ignited her desire to search came&nbsp;from a family tragedy.</p><p>In the aftermath Jen&nbsp;located her birth mother and they connected over social media, but Jen could never get her mother on the phone and that gave her a bad feeling. While she’s thankful for the few answers she did get about her past, Jen wishes she had not been deceived and has a warning for other adoptees seeking reunion. On her reunion trip her birth mother bitterly showed her true colors.</p><p>Thankfully,contacting her birth mother did allow her to connect with other really cool relatives, and find her paternal half-brother who is ecstatic to know her.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/030-dont-fall-for/" target="_blank">030 – Don’t Fall For “I Can’t Talk To You On The Phone”</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Jen (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=3.05" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:03</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I never got a please. Thank you. A nicety. Nothing. I got nothing decent or nice or kind from this woman, so that's the reason why when I look back at whatever communications we had prior to, I deleted everything because I don't think any of it's true.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=23.68" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:23</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=35.11" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:35</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Jen who lives in the often sweltering heat of Phoenix, Arizona. She told me she had a very nice childhood with her parents and never really wanted to search for her birth parents until her friends started having kids. But the ultimate spark that ignited her desire to search came from a family tragedy. In the aftermath, Jen located her birth mother and they connected over social media, but Jen could never get her mother on the phone and that gave her a bad feeling. When they finally met face to face, their reunion was short lived. While she's thankful for the few answers she did get about her past, Jen wishes she had not been deceived and has a warning for other adoptees seeking reunion.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=88.1" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:28</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">For Jen, everything was normal. Growing up. Her parents read her a special book every night, the chosen baby, about a couple who elected to adopt an infant and raise the child as their own. Jen still has that book to this day. She never thought about her adoption growing up, even as a young adult. Then her peers started having kids. Of course, the children look like their parents, and Jen began to wonder whom she looked like. It wasn't quite enough of a spark to launch a search, but then something tragic happened.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jen (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=120.23" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:00</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">What changed for me and what made me search for biological family was my mom was killed in a car accident, um, October, 2012. So that was number one, a shock. And number two, a lot of things changed after that. Like I said, it never seemed to be an issue of me being adopted. It never was part of my day. It was never part of my thought. But after my mom was killed, my dad and the remaining family, cause we don't have a big family, I guess you could say, they sort of turned on me. I got written out of the will. Things were totally changed. I mean it was, it was so incredibly hurtful and incredibly blindsided that, I mean I just, then I start wondering my, cause my whole life been a lie.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=173.57" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:53</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Wow.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jen (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=175.28" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:55</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">It was pretty big wow moment. Yeah.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=177.88" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:57</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Did you experience any animosity, any contentiousness? Was there any, so for a minute, let's just go backwards for a second. Do you have siblings?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jen (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=190.09" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:10</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">No, they only adopted me.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=191.84" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:11</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Did you feel any of that from your father growing up?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jen (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=195.86" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:15</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">No. No. Absolutely. No. That's why it was so blindsided. So my mom was killed October 2012. Things already were in play and changing like kind of almost within the first six months. It was pretty immediate.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=213.68" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:33</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">What kinds of things did you detect were that were already in play that were starting to get worse?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jen (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=218.93" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:38</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I have two cousins that live in Chicago and they, my mom had a brother who was also deceased and I was really close to my uncle. Those two boys belonged to my uncle who's deceased. My mom is deceased. Those two boys live in Chicago and I mean, I hate to stereotype, but they are very wealthy, so I guess apparently if you're a multimillionaire, I guess you feel you could control the world. Well, they stepped in and it's like they sort of took over my dad, but at the end of the day, my dad is responsible for letting go of the wheel and letting those boys take control.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=255.75" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:15</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Around that time, her father had hip replacement surgery and he was in the hospital. Jen went to his bedside daily and it was at that time she found out he had agreed to change his wife's will eliminating Jen. They're only heir and creating a trust that diverted her inheritance, but more importantly, the process drove a wedge between her and her father that was deeply hurtful. Unfortunately, Jen's not the only adoptee to be treated that way.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jen (</span><a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jen&nbsp;had a very nice childhood with her parents and never really wanted to search for her birth parents until her friends started having kids. But the ultimate spark that ignited her desire to search came&nbsp;from a family tragedy.</p><p>In the aftermath Jen&nbsp;located her birth mother and they connected over social media, but Jen could never get her mother on the phone and that gave her a bad feeling. While she’s thankful for the few answers she did get about her past, Jen wishes she had not been deceived and has a warning for other adoptees seeking reunion. On her reunion trip her birth mother bitterly showed her true colors.</p><p>Thankfully,contacting her birth mother did allow her to connect with other really cool relatives, and find her paternal half-brother who is ecstatic to know her.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/030-dont-fall-for/" target="_blank">030 – Don’t Fall For “I Can’t Talk To You On The Phone”</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Jen (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=3.05" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:03</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I never got a please. Thank you. A nicety. Nothing. I got nothing decent or nice or kind from this woman, so that's the reason why when I look back at whatever communications we had prior to, I deleted everything because I don't think any of it's true.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=23.68" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:23</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=35.11" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:35</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show is Jen who lives in the often sweltering heat of Phoenix, Arizona. She told me she had a very nice childhood with her parents and never really wanted to search for her birth parents until her friends started having kids. But the ultimate spark that ignited her desire to search came from a family tragedy. In the aftermath, Jen located her birth mother and they connected over social media, but Jen could never get her mother on the phone and that gave her a bad feeling. When they finally met face to face, their reunion was short lived. While she's thankful for the few answers she did get about her past, Jen wishes she had not been deceived and has a warning for other adoptees seeking reunion.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=88.1" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:28</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">For Jen, everything was normal. Growing up. Her parents read her a special book every night, the chosen baby, about a couple who elected to adopt an infant and raise the child as their own. Jen still has that book to this day. She never thought about her adoption growing up, even as a young adult. Then her peers started having kids. Of course, the children look like their parents, and Jen began to wonder whom she looked like. It wasn't quite enough of a spark to launch a search, but then something tragic happened.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jen (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=120.23" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:00</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">What changed for me and what made me search for biological family was my mom was killed in a car accident, um, October, 2012. So that was number one, a shock. And number two, a lot of things changed after that. Like I said, it never seemed to be an issue of me being adopted. It never was part of my day. It was never part of my thought. But after my mom was killed, my dad and the remaining family, cause we don't have a big family, I guess you could say, they sort of turned on me. I got written out of the will. Things were totally changed. I mean it was, it was so incredibly hurtful and incredibly blindsided that, I mean I just, then I start wondering my, cause my whole life been a lie.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=173.57" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:53</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Wow.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jen (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=175.28" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:55</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">It was pretty big wow moment. Yeah.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=177.88" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:57</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Did you experience any animosity, any contentiousness? Was there any, so for a minute, let's just go backwards for a second. Do you have siblings?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jen (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=190.09" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:10</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">No, they only adopted me.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=191.84" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:11</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Did you feel any of that from your father growing up?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jen (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=195.86" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:15</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">No. No. Absolutely. No. That's why it was so blindsided. So my mom was killed October 2012. Things already were in play and changing like kind of almost within the first six months. It was pretty immediate.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=213.68" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:33</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">What kinds of things did you detect were that were already in play that were starting to get worse?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jen (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=218.93" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:38</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I have two cousins that live in Chicago and they, my mom had a brother who was also deceased and I was really close to my uncle. Those two boys belonged to my uncle who's deceased. My mom is deceased. Those two boys live in Chicago and I mean, I hate to stereotype, but they are very wealthy, so I guess apparently if you're a multimillionaire, I guess you feel you could control the world. Well, they stepped in and it's like they sort of took over my dad, but at the end of the day, my dad is responsible for letting go of the wheel and letting those boys take control.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=255.75" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:15</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Around that time, her father had hip replacement surgery and he was in the hospital. Jen went to his bedside daily and it was at that time she found out he had agreed to change his wife's will eliminating Jen. They're only heir and creating a trust that diverted her inheritance, but more importantly, the process drove a wedge between her and her father that was deeply hurtful. Unfortunately, Jen's not the only adoptee to be treated that way.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jen (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=283.85" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:43</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">You know, that's a pretty big pill to swallow. So number one, my mother was killed in a car accident, you know, and now my father has turned on me and I still talk to him. I still am me. I'm still responsible for my side of the fence and how I behave towards others. So I still treat him normally even though he's been now completely horrible to me.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=303.41" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:03</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Exclusively related to the will or has he done other things?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jen (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=308.12" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:08</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, you know, I don't know because now I just, I don't even really talk too much about anything. So when he is in town, which is here in Arizona, cause now he spends most of the time in Chicago where the boys live. So when he is in town I just still treat him normally. We don't talk about anything major. But at the end of the day, the reality of his, you know, he changed a lot of things and I'm an only child. And then, I mean that's such a hard blow to take that I did share a snippet of how hurt I was on one of the adoption sites, I don't knw if it was I Am Adopted, but I sort of shared like how blindsided and how hurt I was and come to find out my story is not unique. So I just posted just because I was so, I can't believe this happened. And then it turns out quite a few people posted. I had like over 90 something replies to that and I had a bunch of people private message me. So my story was not unique.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=364.75" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:04</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">God, that's incredibly sad, I mean..</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jen (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=367.42" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:07</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">It is incredibly sad, incredibly hurtful. So that really, that was my final moment that I'm like, you know what, I've got nothing to lose at this point. My mom's not here anymore so I'm not going to hurt her feelings that I'm going to search for biological family. My father apparently has moved on, so I have nobody's feelings to hurt. I have nothing to lose. My father has basically turned his back on me even though I still talk to him and when he's in town, we still try to see each other once a week. Cause like I said, I only could be responsible for my behavior. So, even though he's done a horrible thing, I'm not going to be a participant in that.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=403.67" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:43</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">That's fascinating. I'm sure people have asked you before, how do you, how do you go high when someone goes low like that to use, you know, sort of recent vernacular for this type of situation? I mean I've always told, I've always thought of things like if, if you show me how you feel about me, then I understand and I'm, you know, I'm not gonna continue to like walk around and be mad, but I'm also not going to give you much attention either. And I could see how you could find yourself cutting them off and been like, not, you know, in a hateful way, but just like you've basically shown your true colors and um,</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jen (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=439.38" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:19</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I cut off those cousins. I cut off those cousins a long time ago, so those cousins had been cut off. I have not cut off my father cause just because he's behaving badly. I mean he's still my dad.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Speaker 4 (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=450.52" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:30</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jen said, part of her sadness is knowing that her mother's final wishes weren't honored and that she would be crushed to know her own husband had treated their daughter this way, but all of that mistreatment was Jen's turning point in deciding to search. She realized she had nothing to lose and no one's feelings left to hurt if she located her birth parents. So she joined a few Facebook groups like I Am Adopted, another one with some search angels as active contributors and a few others. Initial advice was Jen should get a copy of her original birth certificate. Luckily she was born in Illinois, a state where access to her own documents is allowed. That gave Jen her birth mother's full name, but her birth father's name was omitted,a common occurrence years ago. Her search angels investigated her mother's full name, a very common Jewish last name, but she didn't get any leads. She tried Ancestry DNA, but there were no close connections there either. Everyone was coming up empty. Then one of the search angels suggested a new tactic.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jen (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=511.93" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:31</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And then she said, you were adopted out of Illinois, right? And I said, yeah. She's like, well you petition the court and you get a CI appointed to you, which is a court investigator. It's like, I think it's like a third party company that once the court grants a CI to you and the petition you have to show like how you searched. So you just can't naturally go to that step first. So I did that. I got a CI appointed to me and then that CI has the ability to access your sealed file. The court appointed CI had access to get to that file. I don't think these laws apply to all States though.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=544.56" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:04</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">No, no. Yeah, that's interesting.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jen (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=546.801" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:06</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So, so she says, okay, so she's like, I got the file, I have her name, I have her social security number and apparently they have like some sort of system or whatever that they're able to run that social security numbers. She goes, what happens next is that we send out like, it's like a standardized letter saying that you are searching for her. And if she wants to make contact, she can make contact. So it's like a general letter and sent out to the last known address.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=573.19" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:33</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">The CI tells Jen, they make a total of three attempts at contacting her birth mother at her last known address. If she doesn't respond after three attempts, the CIA will close the file. There's nothing more she can do. But if her mother never contacted the CI, Jen's file was still closed to her. Jen couldn't access the information herself because it was still all confidential.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jen (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oBd-nEyhwN_HH-8OSblo0End8kDzdi1d97iRIiMl2km6DNUYG-M9dQaZILr3_8sABSTAgCg2mSBWKGV6-bT-9AaTtWs?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=594.87" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:54</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So we get no response, that's just, it's the end and I'm like okay, I'm totally fine with that. I mean if it's the end, it's the end. I tried, you know, I jumped through every hoop I could do and I tried and she goes or she can contact me and she's like, and then she's like, I will talk to her and then I'll let you know that she's made contact. And then if you...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/030-dont-fall-for-i-cant-talk-to-you-on-the-phone]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1722</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/cf7937cc-1356-4879-b673-109c29a6cac7/G827bnadBjZ8LdG710JRg1Kc.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2017 05:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/11b44402-1d96-4b75-8a7e-fa3e02358cd3/030-dont-fall-for-i-cant-talk-to-you-on-the-phone22.mp3" length="40066948" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>41:44</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>30</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>30</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Jen had a very nice childhood with her parents and never really wanted to search for her birth parents until her friends started having kids. But the ultimate spark that ignited her desire to search came from a family tragedy. In the aftermath Jen located her birth mother and they connected over social media, but Jen could never…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>024 – I’m Deeply Hurt, But I Hope You’re Happy</title><itunes:title>024 – I’m Deeply Hurt, But I Hope You’re Happy</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Louise was one of four a dual heritage children raised by white parents in England. She had a fantastic childhood. So much so that she has adopted twice. But along her impulsive journey into reunification, Louise was exposed to uncomfortable situations including her biological grandfather’s impending death, overt racism in her mother’s family, and total rejection by her biological father. Unfortunately, Louise’s mother’s withholding of facts also&nbsp;prevented her from knowing her sister, who once was interested in reunification.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/024-im-deeply-hurt-hope-youre-happy/" target="_blank">024 – I’m Deeply Hurt, But I Hope You’re Happy</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Louise (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=2.04" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:02</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">If you rush these things, you can really damage any sense of long term relationship with people and I think you need to think more widely of the implications of your actions to other people, I didn't even consider how my birth mother would feel.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=16.94" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:16</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=34.04" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:34</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show you'll hear the journey of Louise. She called me from London, England, so at times you may have to listen closely to hear her voice through the connection, but what you'll hear is the story of a woman who's youthful curiosity about her biological mother led her courageously and impulsively straight to her mother's door. Louise's poorly thought out approach in her twenties may have cost her the deep relationships that a more cautious and measured approach could have yielded and put her in some very uncomfortable situations. Her journey has repetitive rejections on three fronts. After locating her biological mother, father and uncovering the news that she also had a sister. However, Louise now has some sage wisdom for other adoptees and her own adopted children about their own possible journeys through reunification.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=97.98" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:37</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Louise's heritage is a racial mix of white English descent on her birth mother's side and Jamaican English descent on her birth father's side. Louise's parents had already adopted an older brother, then her, followed by two more multiracial children. They were very open about adoption partially because they all looked very different from one another. Each child's individual adoption situation was their business to discuss with their parents if they chose to. Louise was able to grow up with the comforting information about her biological mother.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Louise (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=130.12" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:10</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, I was born in 1978 and I was relinquished for adoption by my birth mother. Um, at birth, really, um, she did change her mind and she went back and forth, but I never left the hospital until I went to live with foster carers and I was then adopted by two wonderful people. Um, it's worth noting that my birth mother's, uh, of white English descent and my birth father is a Jamaican and English descent. And the people that I was adopted by, um, who I refer to as mom and dad, uh, are actually Black English. And, um, I believe about six months after, um, I was born, I was placed with my parents. They already had adopted an older brother who's just under 18 months older than me and we have the same heritage. And um, they obviously went on to adopt two more dual heritage, mixed race, to put it in quick terminology.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Louise (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=194.14" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:14</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">As children, we grew up always knowing we were adopted. They really, I mean it was hard for them to hide it cause people look so different. But they were always incredibly open about, you know, being adopted, about our birth mothers. I don't know so much about my brother's birth mothers. I mean quite selfishly and quite rightly, I think my parents didn't necessarily share that information with us because it was for the individual child. It wasn't, you know, everybody else's business. But, uh, for me, my mom always spoke about my birth mom, but she actually met her, which I think really helped me growing up knowing that my mom had an opportunity to meet her so I mean, growing up we were no different from any other family as far as we could tell because for us that was the norm. We went on adoption days out with other children that happened to be adopted, but my mom's still friends with, you know, that's your DA's later.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Louise (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=255.64" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:15</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So we were very much, we were, at the time, there weren't many mixed race or dual heritage children around where we lived, but as time grew on, there was, you know, more and more, you know, were present. So we had a happy childhood. I mean, all the angst of being a young lady was there. I think being adopted did play a little bit of a role in me being a little bit more uncertain of myself or emotions that my mom had always and my dad had always spoken highly of my birth mother and answered any questions I had, you know, very, very honestly.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=290.27" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:50</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Tell me a little bit about your, your teen angst as it applied to being an adoptee. How do you think that it played in, in terms of your identity and sort of coming of age?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Louise (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=302.19" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:02</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, I think everyone could agree, who doesn't know where they come from, wants to know, do they look like somebody. Have they got the same resemblance to somebody else. And I think for me that was quite important because, you know, my friends grew up knowing that they look like, you know, their mom or their dad or their aunt or their uncle. Whereas I had, I really did have nobody, that looked, you know, that much like me, apart from my brothers, but we were all non blood related brothers and sisters. So that was quite tricky. Um, I know it affected one of my brothers, more so than it did myself. But I remember I do, you know, really remember thinking, who do I look like? Because people used to comment and say to my parents, to my mom, you know, she looks like, you know, I used to think, Oh but I'm sure I don't.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Louise (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=353.28" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:53</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I mean it just made me more self conscious I suppose. And you do wonder. But then I remember it's really strange, but I remember going somewhere with my dad when I was in the front of the car with my dad and he does this thing where he clicks his fore finger and his thumb together and I just know, I think I do that. So that was kind of, I know that sounds really silly, but that was kind of a really big reassurance for me because it was, I was similar to somebody else, but they just happened to not being biologically related, but I was just inquisitive about my birth mother as much as I could. But I wanted to]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Louise was one of four a dual heritage children raised by white parents in England. She had a fantastic childhood. So much so that she has adopted twice. But along her impulsive journey into reunification, Louise was exposed to uncomfortable situations including her biological grandfather’s impending death, overt racism in her mother’s family, and total rejection by her biological father. Unfortunately, Louise’s mother’s withholding of facts also&nbsp;prevented her from knowing her sister, who once was interested in reunification.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/024-im-deeply-hurt-hope-youre-happy/" target="_blank">024 – I’m Deeply Hurt, But I Hope You’re Happy</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Louise (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=2.04" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:02</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">If you rush these things, you can really damage any sense of long term relationship with people and I think you need to think more widely of the implications of your actions to other people, I didn't even consider how my birth mother would feel.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=16.94" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:16</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=34.04" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:34</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis and on today's show you'll hear the journey of Louise. She called me from London, England, so at times you may have to listen closely to hear her voice through the connection, but what you'll hear is the story of a woman who's youthful curiosity about her biological mother led her courageously and impulsively straight to her mother's door. Louise's poorly thought out approach in her twenties may have cost her the deep relationships that a more cautious and measured approach could have yielded and put her in some very uncomfortable situations. Her journey has repetitive rejections on three fronts. After locating her biological mother, father and uncovering the news that she also had a sister. However, Louise now has some sage wisdom for other adoptees and her own adopted children about their own possible journeys through reunification.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=97.98" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:37</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Louise's heritage is a racial mix of white English descent on her birth mother's side and Jamaican English descent on her birth father's side. Louise's parents had already adopted an older brother, then her, followed by two more multiracial children. They were very open about adoption partially because they all looked very different from one another. Each child's individual adoption situation was their business to discuss with their parents if they chose to. Louise was able to grow up with the comforting information about her biological mother.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Louise (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=130.12" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:10</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, I was born in 1978 and I was relinquished for adoption by my birth mother. Um, at birth, really, um, she did change her mind and she went back and forth, but I never left the hospital until I went to live with foster carers and I was then adopted by two wonderful people. Um, it's worth noting that my birth mother's, uh, of white English descent and my birth father is a Jamaican and English descent. And the people that I was adopted by, um, who I refer to as mom and dad, uh, are actually Black English. And, um, I believe about six months after, um, I was born, I was placed with my parents. They already had adopted an older brother who's just under 18 months older than me and we have the same heritage. And um, they obviously went on to adopt two more dual heritage, mixed race, to put it in quick terminology.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Louise (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=194.14" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:14</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">As children, we grew up always knowing we were adopted. They really, I mean it was hard for them to hide it cause people look so different. But they were always incredibly open about, you know, being adopted, about our birth mothers. I don't know so much about my brother's birth mothers. I mean quite selfishly and quite rightly, I think my parents didn't necessarily share that information with us because it was for the individual child. It wasn't, you know, everybody else's business. But, uh, for me, my mom always spoke about my birth mom, but she actually met her, which I think really helped me growing up knowing that my mom had an opportunity to meet her so I mean, growing up we were no different from any other family as far as we could tell because for us that was the norm. We went on adoption days out with other children that happened to be adopted, but my mom's still friends with, you know, that's your DA's later.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Louise (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=255.64" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:15</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So we were very much, we were, at the time, there weren't many mixed race or dual heritage children around where we lived, but as time grew on, there was, you know, more and more, you know, were present. So we had a happy childhood. I mean, all the angst of being a young lady was there. I think being adopted did play a little bit of a role in me being a little bit more uncertain of myself or emotions that my mom had always and my dad had always spoken highly of my birth mother and answered any questions I had, you know, very, very honestly.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=290.27" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:50</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Tell me a little bit about your, your teen angst as it applied to being an adoptee. How do you think that it played in, in terms of your identity and sort of coming of age?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Louise (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=302.19" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:02</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, I think everyone could agree, who doesn't know where they come from, wants to know, do they look like somebody. Have they got the same resemblance to somebody else. And I think for me that was quite important because, you know, my friends grew up knowing that they look like, you know, their mom or their dad or their aunt or their uncle. Whereas I had, I really did have nobody, that looked, you know, that much like me, apart from my brothers, but we were all non blood related brothers and sisters. So that was quite tricky. Um, I know it affected one of my brothers, more so than it did myself. But I remember I do, you know, really remember thinking, who do I look like? Because people used to comment and say to my parents, to my mom, you know, she looks like, you know, I used to think, Oh but I'm sure I don't.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Louise (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=353.28" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:53</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I mean it just made me more self conscious I suppose. And you do wonder. But then I remember it's really strange, but I remember going somewhere with my dad when I was in the front of the car with my dad and he does this thing where he clicks his fore finger and his thumb together and I just know, I think I do that. So that was kind of, I know that sounds really silly, but that was kind of a really big reassurance for me because it was, I was similar to somebody else, but they just happened to not being biologically related, but I was just inquisitive about my birth mother as much as I could. But I wanted to know more.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=394.7" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:34</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Louise says that her search for her biological mother began with a haphazard impulse. Her adopted mother maintained contact with someone who knew her biological mother, and that was all Louise needed for her impulsivity to take over. But impulsivity without some forethought can lead to trouble. The moment of reunification turned out to be completely different than Louise expected it to be.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Louise (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=416.65" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:56</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">It was before my 21st birthday and I knew that my mom had taken a copy of my birth certificate and I knew my mom has kept in contact with somebody who knew my birth mother. So she was able to keep tabs on her as I grew up. And she said to me, I don't know what house number she has, but she lives on this road and if you ever want to find her, I will help you. I don't know how I can help but I'll help you. And one day I was with my friends and we were wondering what to do for the day as you do. And I said, well, why don't we just go down and try and find her?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=453.01" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:33</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Oh my gosh!</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Louise (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=456.82" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:36</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I really didn't think it through. And so off we trotted, uh, down on to another part of London into Fulham and I knocked on her door. I got out of the car and my friends remained in the car. I just got out of the door and knocked on her front door. And yeah, I tend to kind of, I can't seem to, you know, ever leasurely or step back for most days.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=482.6" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:02</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Tell me a little bit about that moment right before you sort of went up to her door. So what did it feel like? You're walking up, you probably didn't quite grasp the gravity of what you were about to unleash. Like what did you think as you walked up to her door?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Louise (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=496.65" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:16</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I think the magnitude of what I was about to do, um, and the implications it have would have on everybody, cause it's not just on me completely, you know, something I really did not think it through. It's something that I deeply regret. I mean, if I could do it differently now, obviously I would, you know, my children are both adopted and I would absolutely, you know, encourage them to do it the better way. Nevertheless, what's done is done. But you know, I thought, you know, it'd be nice to see her. I think really I'd got past that full place that I knew I had questions. I didn't know what those questions were and I didn't know what the answers could be, but I knew, I felt that she would be able to give me this one thing, whatever it may be. So I needed answering and I think selfishly, that's what I continued to think right up until I pressed the doorbell.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=547.82" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:07</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So you pressed the doorbell. What happened next?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Louise (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=550.73" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:10</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Brace yourself. So I ring the door bell and a little girl came to the front door. She must have been about eight years old and you know, and I just said to her, you know, is Pamela there? I used her surname. And she said absolutely nothing. She just stood there staring at me and then a man came to the door and said, you know, I said the same, you know, is Pamela there? And he kind of didn't say anything. And in the background, I could see this woman walking from one room to another and I just knew, I just knew that was her. I'd seen a picture of her maybe nine years before. She had done a letterbox contact with my mom. I chose not to do it. My mom did it to share some information and I'd seen a picture. She had completely different hair coloring, but I just knew, I just knew it was her and the man kind of just said, yes, hold on a minute darling, I'll go and get her.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Louise (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=602.99" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>10:02</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And it was kind of at that point I realized I had not thought this through. So she then comes to the door. And I just panicked and I just said, look, I'm really sorry but I think I've actually got the wrong person and I'm really very sorry. Um, thanks very much. Have a nice day. Take care. Turn to walk across the way where my car was and she started calling out my name that she named me at birth, which was Tracy and just said, you know, Tracy, Tracy, is that you? Is that you? And I, at that point I thought, well I can't really lie. I just turned around and she threw her arms around me and said, come in, come in. I said all my friends are in the car, I can't come in, can't come in. And I, it's really weird because I specifically remember going as soon as I hugged her I went, oh is this to cry because I thought that's what I've, you know, I've been waiting for this moment for 20 years. I'm definitely going to cry. I'm nothing came out.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=658.23" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>10:58</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Wow.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Louise (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=659.04" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>10:59</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I remember holding onto her, thinking this is not right. Something's not right. Something's not right. And in the moment, I specifically remember feeling at this point in time, I've seen the films, you know, I watched Annie. Which one of these programs, but at that exact moment is when you're supposed to, you know, be a blubbering wreck. Nothing. I have nada. Uh, I have nothing to give. And she kept saying, you know, let's get your friend, lets get your friend, you know, your granddad's in the front room and he's dying. And I just thought, Oh my goodness, I'm in trouble.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=687.7" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>11:27</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Oh boy. You showed up at the door and the first thing she says is bring your friend inside and your grandfather's in the front room and he's dying.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Louise (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=699.04" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>11:39</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I kid you not.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/TaeoAVKLDyHNg1FfTXW2PviFtukKwyzNQjwkOfBM2uoV8PnXcVIW-yi2lxEHh_NemcTVdsSvw2FlWfUVNNF0A17kdYY?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=699.04" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>11:39</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Wow.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Louise (</span><a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/024-im-deeply-hurt-but-i-hope-youre-happy-2]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1700</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2017 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/bb6afa53-2cce-4a27-8d0b-ba833384b353/024-louise.mp3" length="35240719" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>36:43</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>24</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>24</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Louise was one of four a dual heritage children raised by white parents in England. She had a fantastic childhood. So much so that she has adopted twice. But along her impulsive journey into reunification, Louise was exposed to uncomfortable situations including her biological grandfather’s impending death, overt racism in her mother’s family, and total…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>021- With Every Heart Break, My Heart Gets Bigger</title><itunes:title>021- With Every Heart Break, My Heart Gets Bigger</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Marcie finally felt plugged into her biological family after years of divisive behavior from her adopted mother. Her mother never nurtured a bond between Marcie and her adopted siblings and had a hard time overcoming some of her own childhood issues.&nbsp;In reunion, Marcie connected with her biological father who amazingly helped solidify a deeper connection to Marcie’s aunt, his sister. Marcie and her aunt both share an innate connection to their own spirituality. Even though her biological mother was not in a place to be part of Marcie’s reunion with her father, she was able to make a really good connection with another aunt on her maternal side of the family.</p><p>In hindsight Marcie wishes she had been true to herself throughout her journey, reaching out sooner and making sure to meet her relatives when the opportunities presented themselves.&nbsp;She admits that sometimes it’s okay for each us to be selfish along our journey as long as it is done with kindness and compassion for others.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/021-every-heart-break-heart-gets-bigger/" target="_blank">021- With Every Heart Break, My Heart Gets Bigger</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Marcy (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=6.78" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:06</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I think it was painful as a woman, having a child, knowing that somewhere my biological mother went through a pregnancy with me and pushed life out of her, into me and then had to leave me. And the whole experience is esteem now of what my body went through for those nine months and the trauma that your body goes through in order to create the healthy beautiful environment for this beautiful thing, growing inside of you. I had real mixed emotions about it.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=50.56" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:50</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=57.7" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:57</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis. And on the show today, you're going to hear from Marcy. Marcy grew up with two older adopted brothers in a home she says, was filled with parental narcissism. That environment made her struggles with her own identity, even worse as a teenager, her upbringing exacerbated deep unrest within her. In reunion, she found her father who laid a path for Marcy to find a kindred spirit in his family. Her story begins in Michigan when she was a child.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=112.06" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:52</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Marcy has always known she was adopted, but she doesn't really remember actually talking about adoption. Marcy says she had a little trouble navigating her mother's emotions and she couldn't really figure out if things would've been different if Marcy had been her biological daughter.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Marcy (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=126.65" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:06</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I really know if we did talk about it. I don't really remember. I know, you know, I grew up in a home where my mother, for whatever reason, couldn't have children. Um, and we constantly heard about all her failed pregnancies and her female problems. And, um, you know, I think sometimes those are really big shoes for someone like me to fill. You know, I think that she, as much as she enjoyed having children, I don't know really how much she enjoyed having children. Does that make sense?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=164.65" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:44</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Interesting. Why do you say that?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Marcy (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=166.57" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:46</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">She, in my experience, um, is, or I should have say has since I'm not a doctor, but she has extreme narcissistic, um, personality traits.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=180.43" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:00</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Marcy (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=181.15" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:01</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And you know, like my older brother, he was adopted first and my dad had gotten shipped off to Vietnam and you know, her and my brother were really bonded and, you know, he was like the golden child. And then trying to fill in those shoes of him was always very difficult. I was also a girl. And I think that she had some slight jealousy issues with my father and my relationship. And so I think, I don't know if it's normal, if I was adopted or if I was from her, you know what I mean? Like I don't, I see it from being adopted. I can't see it being from her flesh and blood. If I was her own natural child, if the treatment would be the same or if it would be different or indifferent, I only know it being adopted and more times than none, it didn't feel so great.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=240.17" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:00</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah. That's the only lens that you can see it through is the lens of an adoptee and, and the way you are treated in narcissism. That's fascinating. Were you, uh, an only child?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Marcy (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=253.45" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:13</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">No. I had two brothers and all three of us were adopted. We were adopted into a Jewish professional home that was always told to us. I came with a piece of paper where I am Catholic blood and my biological mother wanted me adopted into a Jewish professional family, which is where I was placed.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=275.89" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:35</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Gotcha. So you've kind of stated that the home is full of narcissism. How did that impact you as an adoptee? You know, you're growing up as a teen, you understand fully and clearly that you're adopted, but the, the perceived, um, sort of the narcissism and the focus on one's self would be impactful on the teen who is trying to understand her own identity. What do you remember about how that was impactful to you?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Marcy (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=301.47" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:01</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I truthfully had a very difficult time with it and tried taking my life a couple of times to be very frank and honest. I had always this inclination of watching and looking at people because I really believed in the threads of my being that I was brought here out of love. I always believed that and that I deserved that love. And so I was the type of child, very happy go lucky, always very spiritual. You know, I didn't feel like this Jewish environment was a,...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcie finally felt plugged into her biological family after years of divisive behavior from her adopted mother. Her mother never nurtured a bond between Marcie and her adopted siblings and had a hard time overcoming some of her own childhood issues.&nbsp;In reunion, Marcie connected with her biological father who amazingly helped solidify a deeper connection to Marcie’s aunt, his sister. Marcie and her aunt both share an innate connection to their own spirituality. Even though her biological mother was not in a place to be part of Marcie’s reunion with her father, she was able to make a really good connection with another aunt on her maternal side of the family.</p><p>In hindsight Marcie wishes she had been true to herself throughout her journey, reaching out sooner and making sure to meet her relatives when the opportunities presented themselves.&nbsp;She admits that sometimes it’s okay for each us to be selfish along our journey as long as it is done with kindness and compassion for others.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/021-every-heart-break-heart-gets-bigger/" target="_blank">021- With Every Heart Break, My Heart Gets Bigger</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Marcy (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=6.78" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:06</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I think it was painful as a woman, having a child, knowing that somewhere my biological mother went through a pregnancy with me and pushed life out of her, into me and then had to leave me. And the whole experience is esteem now of what my body went through for those nine months and the trauma that your body goes through in order to create the healthy beautiful environment for this beautiful thing, growing inside of you. I had real mixed emotions about it.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=50.56" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:50</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=57.7" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:57</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. I'm Damon Davis. And on the show today, you're going to hear from Marcy. Marcy grew up with two older adopted brothers in a home she says, was filled with parental narcissism. That environment made her struggles with her own identity, even worse as a teenager, her upbringing exacerbated deep unrest within her. In reunion, she found her father who laid a path for Marcy to find a kindred spirit in his family. Her story begins in Michigan when she was a child.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=112.06" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:52</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Marcy has always known she was adopted, but she doesn't really remember actually talking about adoption. Marcy says she had a little trouble navigating her mother's emotions and she couldn't really figure out if things would've been different if Marcy had been her biological daughter.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Marcy (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=126.65" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:06</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I really know if we did talk about it. I don't really remember. I know, you know, I grew up in a home where my mother, for whatever reason, couldn't have children. Um, and we constantly heard about all her failed pregnancies and her female problems. And, um, you know, I think sometimes those are really big shoes for someone like me to fill. You know, I think that she, as much as she enjoyed having children, I don't know really how much she enjoyed having children. Does that make sense?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=164.65" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:44</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Interesting. Why do you say that?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Marcy (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=166.57" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:46</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">She, in my experience, um, is, or I should have say has since I'm not a doctor, but she has extreme narcissistic, um, personality traits.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=180.43" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:00</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Marcy (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=181.15" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:01</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And you know, like my older brother, he was adopted first and my dad had gotten shipped off to Vietnam and you know, her and my brother were really bonded and, you know, he was like the golden child. And then trying to fill in those shoes of him was always very difficult. I was also a girl. And I think that she had some slight jealousy issues with my father and my relationship. And so I think, I don't know if it's normal, if I was adopted or if I was from her, you know what I mean? Like I don't, I see it from being adopted. I can't see it being from her flesh and blood. If I was her own natural child, if the treatment would be the same or if it would be different or indifferent, I only know it being adopted and more times than none, it didn't feel so great.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=240.17" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:00</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah. That's the only lens that you can see it through is the lens of an adoptee and, and the way you are treated in narcissism. That's fascinating. Were you, uh, an only child?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Marcy (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=253.45" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:13</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">No. I had two brothers and all three of us were adopted. We were adopted into a Jewish professional home that was always told to us. I came with a piece of paper where I am Catholic blood and my biological mother wanted me adopted into a Jewish professional family, which is where I was placed.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=275.89" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:35</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Gotcha. So you've kind of stated that the home is full of narcissism. How did that impact you as an adoptee? You know, you're growing up as a teen, you understand fully and clearly that you're adopted, but the, the perceived, um, sort of the narcissism and the focus on one's self would be impactful on the teen who is trying to understand her own identity. What do you remember about how that was impactful to you?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Marcy (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=301.47" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:01</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I truthfully had a very difficult time with it and tried taking my life a couple of times to be very frank and honest. I had always this inclination of watching and looking at people because I really believed in the threads of my being that I was brought here out of love. I always believed that and that I deserved that love. And so I was the type of child, very happy go lucky, always very spiritual. You know, I didn't feel like this Jewish environment was a, um, a nurturing part of my soul. I had embraced that aspect of this religion that was given to me, and I absolutely loved the pieces of it. Um, but I was always very spiritual and I always had identity problems because what was expected and demanded of me, I had a hard time giving up for, you know what I mean?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Marcy (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=369.44" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:09</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Like it was hard to fill these accommodations of somebody that I didn't fully believe in. And so I had a religious identity. I had a spiritual identity crisis. I had very mental identity problems, you know, looking at these people and not seeing anything of me in them. You know, um, even at times when it was very warm and very loving and very, you know, nurturing it, there was a lingering feeling for me. I can't speak about my brothers. I can't speak about anybody else, just for me. I always had the need and the desire to search. And I think part of it is the unsettling feeling I had in my soul of where I was and whether it was supposed to happen for all the lessons I've gained in this life or whatever the reason was like, it just continued to inspire me to be a voice greater than the one that I was silenced from. You know what I mean? Does that make sense?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=437.06" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:17</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah, it does. It does. It sounds like you had this innate disconnect with the environment that you were in religiously, spiritually and mentally, as you've said. And then, you know, just knowing and physically. How so?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Marcy (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=455.34" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:35</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Um, I'm very petite. I've always been tiny. I'm size four. I'm a very slender build. I am not anything looking like my mother. She's always struggled with her weight. I think that my features, um, were very delicate and, and nice, and she struggled with her own physical beauty and identity. And that was very hard for me because I, you know, trying to keep up with that or compete with it or feel like I needed to, or, you know, to be discredited all the time or to be, it was very difficult. It's very difficult when you know, it's hard enough again, when you are naturally connected biologically to somebody and you have struggles. I think the extra layer of being a child, a girl with a mother who has her own set of identity issues, being adopted was even harder to find. I had nowhere to plug into.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=518.5" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:38</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Marcy's mother created a difficult environment for the kids to connect with her. She frequently used bits and pieces of their respective early history before they joined the family to drive wedges between the children. Unfortunately that prevented them from bonding as deeply as they probably could have.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Marcy (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=534.86" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:54</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">She also constructed us as siblings to not ever really, it was never the siblings against the parents. She played each one of us against each other at different times. So our relationship within each other was sometimes very difficult, cause we didn't know our place with each other and we didn't have that bond on top of it. When you have that sibling bond with somebody, I'm going to assume that even with distraction and disturbance, and you're able to find that connection, we didn't have that biological connection. And the disturbances in our surroundings didn't allow us all the time to connect too.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=582.46" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:42</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Marcy's father was also part of the problem in their house. She loved her dad, but she only felt his love when he could express it covertly. That didn't sit well with Marcy at all as she looks back.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Marcy (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=593.55" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:53</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">He didn't have a backbone. He didn't have a voice. He did but he chose to, he couldn't deal with her. I don't, I think it was much easier to go along with it. They've been married for 50 years. And I think that when you come damaged too and someone nurtures you and puts their poison into you and you become poisonous yourself. And so his love was shown to me at the end of the evening when I was in bed. And he would come in on his way because he didn't sleep with my mom. They slept in separate bedrooms because he snored and he would come in and hugged me and snug me and tell me how much he loved me. But during the day it was never, he was incapable or wasn't allowed to, or would be punished or shamed to show me the affection I saw behind the door.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=647.15" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>10:47</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">In your own bedroom.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Marcy (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=648.37" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>10:48</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">That's how I received my love.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=650.27" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>10:50</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Mm wow.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Marcy (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=651.19" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>10:51</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">There were times when it was really, um, when it was really good for them, you know, and narcissist, when it, when it makes them look good. When we were at temple, you know, she out in public, adored us. It was behind the closed doors that it was, you know, horrible</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=668.69" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>11:08</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Marcy recalls wanting to search for her biological family from when she was little, of course, the way things were going in her home, the idea she would want to look for other parents was a topic that wouldn't be well received at all. And she was scared. It wasn't until she was an adult that she kind of ran away from everything. Then Marcy had her first daughter and everything changed.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Marcy (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=689.27" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>11:29</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">It wasn't until I delivered at 25, my first daughter, that I thought, I really need to know who I am because I'm looking at this child that's flesh and blood of night that no one is ever going to take away from me. And I need to find out who I am because I have no clue who I am right now. And looking at her, it makes me cry with the most painful moment, but the most beautiful moment in the same breath, you know,</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/_Y-3uiD5P1qGNQpZf3xEMJ9MtOaIn9lBiBPj3lP4rK625MONitkfqYhBnZmLjnr_uVjijMAeQQQEWHgBCpKVshVjs1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=719.05" target="_blank" style="color:...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/021-with-every-heart-break-my-heart-gets-bigger-2]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1659</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2017 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/a5790b8e-2079-4e26-9938-e8c7317383ab/wair-021-marcie.mp3" length="66176233" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>34:28</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>21</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>21</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Marcie finally felt plugged into her biological family after years of divisive behavior from her adopted mother. Her mother never nurtured a bond between Marcie and her adopted siblings and had a hard time overcoming some of her own childhood issues.  In reunion, Marcie connected with her biological father who amazingly helped solidify a deeper…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>019 – Adoption Was Chapter Two Of My Life, I Had To Learn About Chapter One</title><itunes:title>019 – Adoption Was Chapter Two Of My Life, I Had To Learn About Chapter One</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Michael grew up in Coney Island, Brooklyn, NY. He led a&nbsp;comfortable life in the Williams loving home when he accidentally discovered, at 12 years old, that he was adopted. The discovery that he actually had another identity created conflict in him, especially during his teen aged years.</p><p>With spontaneity, tenacity, and a fair bit of luck Michael was able to track down the phone number for a long lost cousin in NY. She sounded the alarm to the family that Michael had found her, and a series of holiday season reunions ensued. But his reunification was not without its resentment. Over the course of&nbsp;two decades he satisfied his curiosity to uncover every detail he could about who he really is. It was an emotional journey of discovery that led him all they way to his family’s&nbsp;roots in the South.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/019-michael-w/" target="_blank">019 – Adoption Was Chapter Two Of My Life, I Had To Learn About Chapter One</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Michael (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.44" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:02</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">The only thing I can think of was like going to the motherland. America is a nation of still with immigrants, but there is a mother country, ancestrally speaking, so whether you are going to come from Poland, Ireland, Africa or wherever. When you go back to those things, there's something grounding, something that anchors you and it did for me because I'm looking at this woman. I'm like my life story begin with this woman. It all started in her womb.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.31" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:38</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=49.71" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:49</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I, Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. Hey, I'm Damon Davis on today's show. I'm joined by Michael who grew up in Coney Island, Brooklyn, New York. Michael was living a comfortable life in the Williams loving home when he accidentally discovered that he was adopted at 12 years old. The discovery that he actually had, another identity created conflict in him during his teenage years. With spontaneity, tenacity, and a fair bit of luck, Michael was able to track down the phone number for a long lost cousin in New York. Over the course of two decades, he satisfied his curiosity to uncover every detail he could about who he really is. It was an emotional journey of discovery all the way to his family's roots in the South. We pick up Michael's journey at the beginning, as a child. Michael was raised with six siblings, some biological to each other and many foster children who moved in and out of their home over the years. His parents cultivated a family environment for everyone, including him.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michael (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=125.76" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:05</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">In my world, I, I always, you know, thought that I was born in Brooklyn. That was my starting point and of course later on, I discovered that I had adopted into the family, but I was, I started as before as the Williams foster child and my adoption, wasn't made final until I was six years old. Even at that point, there was never any differentiation between, Oh these are the biological children, oh these are the adopted children, oh these are the foster children. Cause, I mean, growing up in a household, dad was still with foster kids coming in and out, not ever realizing that I had was in their shoes.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=167.63" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:47</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Interesting.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michael (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=169.25" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:49</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">My parents did a really good job. It was an environment of openness and there was this sense of a family cohesion is that even though with the foster kids that were coming in and out, it was just a part of everyday life for us. That whole family environment was cultivated by both my father and my mother simply because that was the only child, his name, and yet I say this to honor my father because he's deceased freedom and black Williams, he was the only child and he never knew his father and there was an incredible burden in his heart to be a father to the fatherless. What I later discovered was that he actually had fostered nearly 65 inner city children.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=217.38" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:37</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Wow. That's, that's a open-heart man. That's really incredible. So you were, you were made to feel so comfortable that it took you a while to figure out that at one point you had been a foster child who was in transition to another place. That's interesting. What did you think when you realized that?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michael (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=238.85" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:58</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">When I, well, the day that I realized that I had been adopted, I was about 12 or 13 years old and it turned everything on its head because it was confusing. It was confusing to me because I didn't understand why that information was withheld. Everything just kind of came out in an unexpected way. I'm mean, I was, I had, I was looking through the family photo albums and I discovered the summer day camp certificate of completion and it said Michael Harth and I was like somebody made a huge mistake and mom never caught, how could she not have caught this very noticeable mistake? I'm not Michael Harth, who is Michael Harth? I'm Michael Williams. I've always been Michael Williams. So then when I brought upstairs to go find my mother about it, she said, where did you find that certificate? I said, well mom, it was in the family photo album and she knew I had this habit of looking through the photo albums and just trying to make sense of who are these folks who are in these black and white photos.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michael (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=305.27" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:05</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So then it turns out that was the day of discovery. But it was also the day of discovery of my two younger siblings because all the way up until that time well I thought I was born into the family and the foster kids that I knew, they were the ones who were foster kids and then now I'm confronted with the realities. Had no idea, I was once in their shoes and, but I was the one that they, and one of the few that they ended up keeping. So cause there was a whole other history that I was connected to that I just had to know about and that was very traumatic and confusing.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=343.9" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:43</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">How did your mom make you feel? How did she address your confusion?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michael (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=348.45" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:48</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I assumed that she was ill prepared for that day.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael grew up in Coney Island, Brooklyn, NY. He led a&nbsp;comfortable life in the Williams loving home when he accidentally discovered, at 12 years old, that he was adopted. The discovery that he actually had another identity created conflict in him, especially during his teen aged years.</p><p>With spontaneity, tenacity, and a fair bit of luck Michael was able to track down the phone number for a long lost cousin in NY. She sounded the alarm to the family that Michael had found her, and a series of holiday season reunions ensued. But his reunification was not without its resentment. Over the course of&nbsp;two decades he satisfied his curiosity to uncover every detail he could about who he really is. It was an emotional journey of discovery that led him all they way to his family’s&nbsp;roots in the South.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/019-michael-w/" target="_blank">019 – Adoption Was Chapter Two Of My Life, I Had To Learn About Chapter One</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Michael (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.44" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:02</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">The only thing I can think of was like going to the motherland. America is a nation of still with immigrants, but there is a mother country, ancestrally speaking, so whether you are going to come from Poland, Ireland, Africa or wherever. When you go back to those things, there's something grounding, something that anchors you and it did for me because I'm looking at this woman. I'm like my life story begin with this woman. It all started in her womb.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.31" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:38</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=49.71" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:49</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I, Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. Hey, I'm Damon Davis on today's show. I'm joined by Michael who grew up in Coney Island, Brooklyn, New York. Michael was living a comfortable life in the Williams loving home when he accidentally discovered that he was adopted at 12 years old. The discovery that he actually had, another identity created conflict in him during his teenage years. With spontaneity, tenacity, and a fair bit of luck, Michael was able to track down the phone number for a long lost cousin in New York. Over the course of two decades, he satisfied his curiosity to uncover every detail he could about who he really is. It was an emotional journey of discovery all the way to his family's roots in the South. We pick up Michael's journey at the beginning, as a child. Michael was raised with six siblings, some biological to each other and many foster children who moved in and out of their home over the years. His parents cultivated a family environment for everyone, including him.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michael (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=125.76" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:05</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">In my world, I, I always, you know, thought that I was born in Brooklyn. That was my starting point and of course later on, I discovered that I had adopted into the family, but I was, I started as before as the Williams foster child and my adoption, wasn't made final until I was six years old. Even at that point, there was never any differentiation between, Oh these are the biological children, oh these are the adopted children, oh these are the foster children. Cause, I mean, growing up in a household, dad was still with foster kids coming in and out, not ever realizing that I had was in their shoes.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=167.63" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:47</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Interesting.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michael (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=169.25" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:49</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">My parents did a really good job. It was an environment of openness and there was this sense of a family cohesion is that even though with the foster kids that were coming in and out, it was just a part of everyday life for us. That whole family environment was cultivated by both my father and my mother simply because that was the only child, his name, and yet I say this to honor my father because he's deceased freedom and black Williams, he was the only child and he never knew his father and there was an incredible burden in his heart to be a father to the fatherless. What I later discovered was that he actually had fostered nearly 65 inner city children.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=217.38" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:37</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Wow. That's, that's a open-heart man. That's really incredible. So you were, you were made to feel so comfortable that it took you a while to figure out that at one point you had been a foster child who was in transition to another place. That's interesting. What did you think when you realized that?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michael (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=238.85" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:58</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">When I, well, the day that I realized that I had been adopted, I was about 12 or 13 years old and it turned everything on its head because it was confusing. It was confusing to me because I didn't understand why that information was withheld. Everything just kind of came out in an unexpected way. I'm mean, I was, I had, I was looking through the family photo albums and I discovered the summer day camp certificate of completion and it said Michael Harth and I was like somebody made a huge mistake and mom never caught, how could she not have caught this very noticeable mistake? I'm not Michael Harth, who is Michael Harth? I'm Michael Williams. I've always been Michael Williams. So then when I brought upstairs to go find my mother about it, she said, where did you find that certificate? I said, well mom, it was in the family photo album and she knew I had this habit of looking through the photo albums and just trying to make sense of who are these folks who are in these black and white photos.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michael (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=305.27" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:05</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So then it turns out that was the day of discovery. But it was also the day of discovery of my two younger siblings because all the way up until that time well I thought I was born into the family and the foster kids that I knew, they were the ones who were foster kids and then now I'm confronted with the realities. Had no idea, I was once in their shoes and, but I was the one that they, and one of the few that they ended up keeping. So cause there was a whole other history that I was connected to that I just had to know about and that was very traumatic and confusing.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=343.9" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:43</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">How did your mom make you feel? How did she address your confusion?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michael (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=348.45" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:48</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I assumed that she was ill prepared for that day.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=351.42" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:51</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">That was a surprise.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michael (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=353.02" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:53</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">She was very, very taken aback by the that I even discovered the certificate. I think it was one of those things that, because it was a closed adoption, you know, that was one document that I guess she didn't file away good enough, you know, and somehow I ended up just in there and I wasn't supposed to find out cause she was completely unprepared. I think she did. In retrospect, I think that she did the best she could and giving us some general information. Like for example, she was able to tell me that my full name was Michael Raymond Harth. I eventually learned about the significance of my first and my middle name.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=396.62" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:36</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And what are they?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michael (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=397.77" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:37</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Um, and my birth mother named me after my uncles.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=400.24" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:40</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Oh that's nice.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michael (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=401.59" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:41</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So I, so I had an uncle Michael and I had an uncle Raymond.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=404.79" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:44</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So you retained name ownership and connection back to your biological family. That's kind of fascinating. Michael said that their home had established such a strong sense of family. The news that he was also an adoptee didn't change anything with his older siblings. That news bonded him more closely to his younger siblings who were foster kids like himself. But as he got older, he began to question his identity much more than he had before. And that sparked the deep curiosity about how his personal story had begun.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=436.261" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:16</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So you found the family photo album and in it it has a camp document that basically says a different name for a child that you don't think is you. Tell me about what happened next.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michael (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=449.7" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:29</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Well, what happened was I confronted my, my mother and I said, well mom, they, there must be some terrible mistake here because I don't know who Michael Harth is. She said, that's your real name. And that was the day I discovered that I had been adopted.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=470.72" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:50</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And, and just what did you think when you, when you, she said that was your real name. What, what did that mean for you?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michael (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=477.24" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:57</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I didn't believe her. I thought she was lying for some reason. I thought she was like playing this really horrible joke. I've gotten all my punishment, but really, mom, this is a really uncool, you know, but she said, no. She goes, you see, now she calls my younger siblings, all three of us now. Yeah. Well if something happened, I'll tell you all. And that's when she told each and every one of us that we had come through the foster care system and then we had been adopted into the family and that's how we became WIlliams', so being the oldest of the of, you know, the last you know set of kids I had, you know, a myriad of questions and I would just spouting them off, you know, and my mother said I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I just don't know.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=526.16" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:46</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Mmhmm.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michael (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=527.15" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:47</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And that didn't sit well with me because I'm like, well I got to get these answers. I got to know, I have to know. And it got me closer to my two younger siblings because now we're looking at each other saying all of us, all three of us were foster kids and were adopted and now we're kind of wondering and wishing together. Maybe one day we could get some answers and spin a recconnect with our biological families at some point in our lives. To me as I got older, I've moved into the adolescent years of age. It became a challenge for me because now I started, you know, really grappling kind of grapples with some identity issues. So in the household there wasn't this assurance that I was a part of this family continuum. I knew who my immediate family were, but who are my grandparents, who are my great-grandparents, sort of where did they come from? There really wasn't much of that. Finding out that I had been adopted, it was right before I went right into the adolescent phase of my life. You know, I really struggled with trying to, you know, really gain some sense about my identity, ancestrally speaking. Um, I always knew that my, my immediate family members, they were my kinfolk, you know, because of that love and that bond. But there was really no sense of belonging to a family continuum beyond that. And I had to, I had to search for that. I had to reconnect with that because what that meant to me, and I quickly began to understand that, wait a minute, Michael Hart, that's a part of chapter one of my life.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=632.011" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>10:32</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Interesting.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Michael (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/XIQ5KHaNCVM65gP25EFJzAbbxu5lz94f9Y3gjjS7W5R6Bz6nOjziRz66Wxje9_UIIcP30KMgPRRz4n_FSHyAJALzzo4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=634.68" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>10:34</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">What history proceeded me, that led me to be born as Michael Raymond Harth? I need to know that history because in my mind at that time, Michael Williams represented, uh, and still represents to me as chapter two of my life. And I had, and I, and I knew that part well enough to, to not have any insecurities there. Um, what really exacerbated the, the feeling of maybe wanting to pursue the family, my biological family was, um, I guess after a couple of viewings of, um, of roots and being a man of African Americans, the same know, the only things that I had to go off of in terms of the history that I come from in America was enslavement and other period of enslavement. And then the process of, of, of trying to become free again. And...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/019-adoption-was-chapter-two-of-my-life-i-had-to-learn-about-chapter-one-2]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1655</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2017 05:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/59ba462d-db0a-40d4-b954-0c85bc819715/019-michael-final.mp3" length="42290756" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>44:03</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>19</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>19</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Michael grew up in Coney Island, Brooklyn, NY. He led a comfortable life in the Williams loving home when he accidentally discovered, at 12 years old, that he was adopted. The discovery that he actually had another identity created conflict in him, especially during his teen aged years. With spontaneity, tenacity, and a fair bit of…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>012 – I Need This For My Sanity</title><itunes:title>012 – I Need This For My Sanity</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Tom advocates for adoptee rights and shares his personal experiences about being adopted.&nbsp;He was adopted as an infant and things went so well his parents decided to adopt two older boys when Tom was two years old. Their adoption is where his trouble started. Life became chaotic in their home because the older boys were difficult for his parents to control. Tom was feeling sidelined. Sadly, one of the older boys sexually abused him resulting in issues he’s dealt with most of his life. Searching to repair his past he sought counseling, connected with his biological mother, and tracked down his biological father. But Tom was never quite able to gain the sense of belonging he was searching for.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/012-tom-a/" target="_blank">012 – I Need This For My Sanity</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Tom (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.36" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:03</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">You know, I knew more and more it was him. Wrote a third letter and basically said, look, I'm not after your money. I'm not looking to disturb your family, but I, I need this for my own sanity. I need to, I need to know and, and I'd like to meet you if I can.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=25.56" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:25</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=36.99" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:36</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I, Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. Hey, it's Damon and on the show today, I'm joined by Tom. Tom advocates for adoptee rights and shares his personal experiences about being adopted online. He shared with me that he was adopted as an infant and things went so well that his parents decided to adopt two older boys when he was two, but that's when the trouble started. He says, life became chaotic in their home because the other boys were difficult for his parents to control leaving Tom feeling sidelined, resulting in issues he dealt with his entire life ever since. Searching to repair his past, he sought counseling, connected with his biological mother and tracked down his biological father, but Tom was never quite able to gain the sense of belonging he was searching for.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=89.25" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:29</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Tom, thanks for taking time to talk to me this morning. I appreciate it.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Tom (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=93.24" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:33</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Absolutely.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=94.17" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:34</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Now I've been seeing some of the thought leaders that are out there and your name continues to come up as somebody who's advocating for a lot of adoptee rights and you're a prolific writer about your own feelings and your own story.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Tom (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=108.42" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:48</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Oh, not a problem at all. I do the writing to try to help others and we'll see how that goes.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=114.71" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:54</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah, yeah, it's helpful for me to read some of your thoughts and some of your experiences. I appreciate the fact that you sort of consistently write about different themes from forgiveness to consideration of the father and a biological family and you know, so many other topics. So thank you for your leadership in this space as well.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Tom (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=133.32" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:13</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I appreciate that.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=134.4" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:14</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sure. So I would love for you to take me back to the beginning. Tell me a little bit about your life as an adoptee. As a young child, what it was like in your family, your community and uh, and how things were growing up for you.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Tom (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=148.08" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:28</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sure. Well, to start, I think it started out well and was well intended. I was adopted at the age of three months back in 1971. I guess I was my parents pride and joy. Things went well for them. In fact, so well that they decided that they were going to adopt two older boys, uh, when I was two years old. So those boys came in, they were two and four years older than, than me. And immediately the house became chaotic. It wasn't really clear what was happening with them and their foster home, they were actually in the same foster home. They were not biological brothers, but they came as a package to us.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=195.01" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:15</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Interesting. So just for clarity real quick, you were the sole child in your family until these new adoptees came in. So you went from being number one and the, the sole focus to like being number three, you're now the youngest, is that right?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Tom (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=213.7" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:33</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Exactly. Which was very, very odd. It really kind of turned my world upside down.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=220.18" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:40</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I can imagine.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Tom (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=221.2" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:41</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So, you know, life became chaotic. I do remember, as a matter of fact, I think I remember on the first day that uh, my middle brother complaining about the food and you know, wanting to go back to where he was and things were just very, became very uncertain almost overnight. Time went on a little bit and as we got a little older, it became more and more chaotic.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=250.17" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:10</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">What...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom advocates for adoptee rights and shares his personal experiences about being adopted.&nbsp;He was adopted as an infant and things went so well his parents decided to adopt two older boys when Tom was two years old. Their adoption is where his trouble started. Life became chaotic in their home because the older boys were difficult for his parents to control. Tom was feeling sidelined. Sadly, one of the older boys sexually abused him resulting in issues he’s dealt with most of his life. Searching to repair his past he sought counseling, connected with his biological mother, and tracked down his biological father. But Tom was never quite able to gain the sense of belonging he was searching for.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/012-tom-a/" target="_blank">012 – I Need This For My Sanity</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Tom (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.36" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:03</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">You know, I knew more and more it was him. Wrote a third letter and basically said, look, I'm not after your money. I'm not looking to disturb your family, but I, I need this for my own sanity. I need to, I need to know and, and I'd like to meet you if I can.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=25.56" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:25</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=36.99" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:36</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">This is Who Am I, Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. Hey, it's Damon and on the show today, I'm joined by Tom. Tom advocates for adoptee rights and shares his personal experiences about being adopted online. He shared with me that he was adopted as an infant and things went so well that his parents decided to adopt two older boys when he was two, but that's when the trouble started. He says, life became chaotic in their home because the other boys were difficult for his parents to control leaving Tom feeling sidelined, resulting in issues he dealt with his entire life ever since. Searching to repair his past, he sought counseling, connected with his biological mother and tracked down his biological father, but Tom was never quite able to gain the sense of belonging he was searching for.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=89.25" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:29</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Tom, thanks for taking time to talk to me this morning. I appreciate it.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Tom (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=93.24" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:33</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Absolutely.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=94.17" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:34</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Now I've been seeing some of the thought leaders that are out there and your name continues to come up as somebody who's advocating for a lot of adoptee rights and you're a prolific writer about your own feelings and your own story.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Tom (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=108.42" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:48</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Oh, not a problem at all. I do the writing to try to help others and we'll see how that goes.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=114.71" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:54</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah, yeah, it's helpful for me to read some of your thoughts and some of your experiences. I appreciate the fact that you sort of consistently write about different themes from forgiveness to consideration of the father and a biological family and you know, so many other topics. So thank you for your leadership in this space as well.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Tom (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=133.32" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:13</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I appreciate that.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=134.4" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:14</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sure. So I would love for you to take me back to the beginning. Tell me a little bit about your life as an adoptee. As a young child, what it was like in your family, your community and uh, and how things were growing up for you.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Tom (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=148.08" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:28</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sure. Well, to start, I think it started out well and was well intended. I was adopted at the age of three months back in 1971. I guess I was my parents pride and joy. Things went well for them. In fact, so well that they decided that they were going to adopt two older boys, uh, when I was two years old. So those boys came in, they were two and four years older than, than me. And immediately the house became chaotic. It wasn't really clear what was happening with them and their foster home, they were actually in the same foster home. They were not biological brothers, but they came as a package to us.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=195.01" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:15</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Interesting. So just for clarity real quick, you were the sole child in your family until these new adoptees came in. So you went from being number one and the, the sole focus to like being number three, you're now the youngest, is that right?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Tom (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=213.7" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:33</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Exactly. Which was very, very odd. It really kind of turned my world upside down.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=220.18" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:40</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I can imagine.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Tom (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=221.2" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:41</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So, you know, life became chaotic. I do remember, as a matter of fact, I think I remember on the first day that uh, my middle brother complaining about the food and you know, wanting to go back to where he was and things were just very, became very uncertain almost overnight. Time went on a little bit and as we got a little older, it became more and more chaotic.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=250.17" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:10</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">What does that mean for you?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Tom (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=250.17" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:10</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Oh, for me it just means that I never knew when somebody was, when one of the older two was going to blow up at something, cause trouble with my parents.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=264.03" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:24</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Tom remembers his middle brother battling with his parents every week, standing away from the family during church services and reigniting feuds with them once they left. He would run away from them when it was time for the family to go somewhere, then reappear inside the house even though their home had been locked. He spread his own garbage on his bedroom floor and he stole stuff from Tom's room. Finally, Tom's parents had had enough. They made plans for him to have an alternative living arrangement elsewhere.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=291.12" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:51</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Wow. That must have been really hard.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Tom (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=292.83" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:52</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">It was difficult. Yeah, it was very difficult. My older brother, Frank, who I thought was on my side but was also very unpredictable, uh, at the age of 11, started sexually abusing me. I guess I was in a position where I felt like nobody was paying attention to me and he was, and obviously that was his grooming technique. Um, well, luckily at one point John was home visiting and he peeked into the room and saw what was going on and I think that scared Frank away. So luckily it stopped. It stopped. Yeah. So even though it happened on multiple occasions, thankfully it ended up stopping. Um, but, you know, I, I never knew the impact that it had on me until many years later.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=344.66" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:44</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">How do you mean?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Tom (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=344.66" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:44</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I just went through life. I went through the motions, you know, I think I was, I was depressed, but I, you know, I didn't know what normal was, so I just thought that was normal. Um, you know, I was not confident about dating and I was, um, you know, I did well in school, which was the plus for me. Um, but I couldn't, I couldn't wait to get out of there. I couldn't wait to graduate high school so I could get out and go to college.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=373.68" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:13</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Be away from your home.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Tom (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=374.85" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:14</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And be away. Yeah. And, um, but still I thought everything was normal. Um, I thought, you know, I thought I just thought that was life. And eventually when I ended up getting married, um, I thought it was expected of me to have him as my best man. And that's what I did. And it was, you know, and then my, and then the turmoil inside I may started getting stronger and I started becoming more upset and confused about life. What was going on? I guess three or so years after that, when he went to get married, you know, he wanted me to be his best man and I just basically did everything I could just to get through that time. And then I lost it and, um, and had to go get help. And I went to get therapy, which was basically something I didn't want to do. There was a stigma attached to it. I thought there was something wrong with me if I needed to go and do that. But thankfully I did do that because it basically saved me for the lack of a better term.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=438.6" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:18</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah. There's a lot of people who feel like they are broken or that they're, like you said, there's a stigma attached to mental health when in fact it really should be your health and I would love to for people to just think, don't think of it as there's something wrong with me. Think of it as an investment in your own health. Help isn't just physical. It's mental as well. So how did therapy help you, if you don't mind me asking?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Tom (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=465.25" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:45</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">It took a long time. 16 years or so in therapy. You know, I thought that... I had many problems with relationships. I, you know, I got married way too young. You know, it's, it's tough to reconcile that internally to say, you know, you were in a much different spot when you decided to do this. And, um, that's been a struggle for me. The therapy really helped. One of the first orders of business was to face my brother. I basically had to first face my parents. They had no idea what had gone on, you know. So what I did was brought them up to my house, worked with my therapist to put together some language and decide how I was going to handle it and basically sat them down. And you know, they were devastated. And thankfully, thankfully they, um, supported me 100%, believed me, which was huge.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=528.41" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:48</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yeah, that is huge.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Tom (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=529.54" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:49</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">And you know, so it was, it was a crazy time.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=534.33" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:54</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Ooh. So adoption goes from being positive experience as a young, young guy to an abusive experience and your parents didn't know that this was going on. So do you recall at all how they comforted you in the light of all of the other turmoil that they could see in being an adoptee and being their son? Do you remember how your parents tried to help you feel comfortable as an adoptee in your family? What kinds of things did they say and do?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Tom (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=565.51" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:25</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">On the positive side, they were, they treated me as their son, you know, they had always told me that I was adopted. They never tried to hide that fact, which I think I think is key.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon (</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kMOWYPYEldugSEc1LLcIJ6wvedKAM_1PwoxoPRBe1sPvRPh8gr8YNvvqmDDm2ks1AVfyxnEiX6t9_v5ztECCKfSRmho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=575.561" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:35</u></a><span style="color: black">):</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/012-i-need-this-for-my-sanity-2]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1579</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2017 05:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/fa74c35e-75a3-4804-b971-9a02a0c62526/012-tom-a.mp3" length="37141839" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>38:41</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>12</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>12</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Tom advocates for adoptee rights and shares his personal experiences about being adopted.  He was adopted as an infant and things went so well his parents decided to adopt two older boys when Tom was two years old. Their adoption is where his trouble started. Life became chaotic in their home because the older boys…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>010 – How Can I Meet Her Without Telling Her Who I Am?</title><itunes:title>010 – How Can I Meet Her Without Telling Her Who I Am?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Steve was raised in Baltimore, MD in a predominantly Jewish suburban neighborhood. But as he looked around at his friends and other families, he truly questioned his own identity, especially as an adoptee. In an era before electronic record keeping, Steve used his street savvy to buy the information he needed about himself in order to advance his search for his biological family. More crafty thinking led Steve right to his biological mother’s front door. He wanted to meet her, but not necessarily reveal that he was her son. He knocked on her door with a story that should have gotten him sent on his way. Instead she invited him in! Just wait until you hear his crafty approach to introducing himself to his biological mother, and the truth about his European heritage.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/010-steve-h/" target="_blank">010 – How Can I Meet Her Without Telling Her Who I Am?</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Steve&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=4.84" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:04</u></a>):</p><p>My biggest question to my parents who raised me was always, are you sure? Are you 100% sure that I'm Jewish? And I'm looking in the mirror, I'm thinking, I don't look like anybody in this neighborhood. Yeah, I knew I wasn't Jewish and I wanted to know what my background was.</p><p>Voices (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=27.47" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:27</u></a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=38.89" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:38</u></a>):</p><p>This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members? Hey, it's Damon and today you're going to hear Steve's journey. He has family history in Baltimore, Maryland, but his biological roots go back to Chicago, Illinois. Steve says that he was a bit of a juvenile delinquent when he was a teen and quite the opposite of his siblings, one who was a jock, the other who was a scholar, but it turned out those street skills and crafty thinking were just the tools he needed to locate and connect with his biological mother. I can't wait until you hear just how he did it.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=78.28" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:18</u></a>):</p><p>Steve, I'm super glad to be connected to you, man. I appreciate you accepting the invitation to chat a little bit. You've got quite an amazing story, but I'd love for you to take me back to your early childhood. Tell me about what it was like in your family as an adoptee, what your structure was like and your family and what your community was like and how you fit into the community as an adoptee.</p><p>Steve&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=102.04" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:42</u></a>):</p><p>Perfect. Yeah, I'll start off was saying, you know, my adoptive parents, I'll start off with them, uh, to give you a little idea why they even went the adoption routes, but they, they were a Jewish couple. Uh, they were married in the late forties. They decided to start a family probably somewhere around 1950, 51, and they obviously could not conceive. So, um, they decided to go the adoption route. Okay. Then what makes this whole story interesting is that my parents were Jewish and they wanted to adopt a Jewish baby. So I'm thinking to myself, what are the odds on them finding a bunch of Jewish babies out there in this world? How do you even go about that? That's what they wanted because they wanted to stick with it, you know, their religious tradition and raise a child Jewish and things like that. So I was actually born in Chicago.</p><p>Steve&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=156.7" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:36</u></a>):</p><p>My parents were from Baltimore, so that's where the thing gets kind of weird. Uh, what they did was they got an attorney up in Baltimore who knew of a rabbi who knew of a rabbi in Chicago who knew an attorney over there that had access to people that were Jewish and looking to put babies up for adoption into a Jewish family, if you can follow that. So about six years later, around 1977 they get a phone call, there's a baby girl available, which is my older sister. Year and a half later, they get a phone call that there was a baby available in Chicago, fly out to Chicago, and there was me coming home three days later.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=200.59" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:20</u></a>):</p><p>So the Jewish community gets together and through connections establishes a network by which to presumably Jewish babies can arrive in a Jewish family in Baltimore.</p><p>Steve&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=213.46" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:33</u></a>):</p><p>Environment. Correct.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=213.46" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:33</u></a>):</p><p>Gotcha. Okay.</p><p>Steve&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=214.82" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:34</u></a>):</p><p>Correct. So fast forward a little bit. A couple years later in 1962 my parents were able to have a biological son, which is pretty normal. They say sometimes parents that cannot conceive then all of a sudden they can. But basically in the 60s growing up in the rambles town area of Baltimore County was like, our environment was like the show leave at the Beaver. It was really, it was just, you know, a brand new suburban area. I grew up in a, in a 100% Jewish neighborhood. There must have been 115 homes in my neighborhood and every single one of them was Jewish.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=253.97" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:13</u></a>):</p><p>Mhmm an enclave. The community. Yeah.</p><p>Steve&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=257.54" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:17</u></a>):</p><p>Well it was pretty much just like any other family in the neighborhood. I quite frankly, I didn't realize I was adopted until I was the age of six. Um, there's only a couple of things I can really remember, uh, before the year 1964 and that was John F. Kennedy getting shot and the day my mother told me I was adopted.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=280.77" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:40</u></a>):</p><p>Huge moments in your life, huh?</p><p>Steve&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=282.8" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:42</u></a>):</p><p>Yeah. Yeah. And I, and I tell people that my adoptions no big deal. But that moment when my mother told me I must've been a big deal cause it's still in my brain to this day cause I could remember exactly where I was sitting when my mother told me that news.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=296.4" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:56</u></a>):</p><p>Do you remember how you felt? What did it, what did it feel like? Or what did she say? What else do you remember?</p><p>Steve&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=301.62" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:01</u></a>):</p><p>Yeah, well I remember sitting down on the steps on my 6th birthday. It might've been like a day or two before I was to start first grade. So I'm thinking maybe my parents thought we might as well tell him today before he goes to school and finds out in school from somebody else because maybe one of the parents in the neighborhood told some kid who knows. So it was a good time to tell me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=323.44" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:23</u></a>):</p><p>Yeah, the community talks. Yeah.</p><p>Steve&nbsp;(<a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve was raised in Baltimore, MD in a predominantly Jewish suburban neighborhood. But as he looked around at his friends and other families, he truly questioned his own identity, especially as an adoptee. In an era before electronic record keeping, Steve used his street savvy to buy the information he needed about himself in order to advance his search for his biological family. More crafty thinking led Steve right to his biological mother’s front door. He wanted to meet her, but not necessarily reveal that he was her son. He knocked on her door with a story that should have gotten him sent on his way. Instead she invited him in! Just wait until you hear his crafty approach to introducing himself to his biological mother, and the truth about his European heritage.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/010-steve-h/" target="_blank">010 – How Can I Meet Her Without Telling Her Who I Am?</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Steve&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=4.84" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:04</u></a>):</p><p>My biggest question to my parents who raised me was always, are you sure? Are you 100% sure that I'm Jewish? And I'm looking in the mirror, I'm thinking, I don't look like anybody in this neighborhood. Yeah, I knew I wasn't Jewish and I wanted to know what my background was.</p><p>Voices (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=27.47" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:27</u></a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=38.89" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:38</u></a>):</p><p>This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members? Hey, it's Damon and today you're going to hear Steve's journey. He has family history in Baltimore, Maryland, but his biological roots go back to Chicago, Illinois. Steve says that he was a bit of a juvenile delinquent when he was a teen and quite the opposite of his siblings, one who was a jock, the other who was a scholar, but it turned out those street skills and crafty thinking were just the tools he needed to locate and connect with his biological mother. I can't wait until you hear just how he did it.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=78.28" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:18</u></a>):</p><p>Steve, I'm super glad to be connected to you, man. I appreciate you accepting the invitation to chat a little bit. You've got quite an amazing story, but I'd love for you to take me back to your early childhood. Tell me about what it was like in your family as an adoptee, what your structure was like and your family and what your community was like and how you fit into the community as an adoptee.</p><p>Steve&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=102.04" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:42</u></a>):</p><p>Perfect. Yeah, I'll start off was saying, you know, my adoptive parents, I'll start off with them, uh, to give you a little idea why they even went the adoption routes, but they, they were a Jewish couple. Uh, they were married in the late forties. They decided to start a family probably somewhere around 1950, 51, and they obviously could not conceive. So, um, they decided to go the adoption route. Okay. Then what makes this whole story interesting is that my parents were Jewish and they wanted to adopt a Jewish baby. So I'm thinking to myself, what are the odds on them finding a bunch of Jewish babies out there in this world? How do you even go about that? That's what they wanted because they wanted to stick with it, you know, their religious tradition and raise a child Jewish and things like that. So I was actually born in Chicago.</p><p>Steve&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=156.7" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:36</u></a>):</p><p>My parents were from Baltimore, so that's where the thing gets kind of weird. Uh, what they did was they got an attorney up in Baltimore who knew of a rabbi who knew of a rabbi in Chicago who knew an attorney over there that had access to people that were Jewish and looking to put babies up for adoption into a Jewish family, if you can follow that. So about six years later, around 1977 they get a phone call, there's a baby girl available, which is my older sister. Year and a half later, they get a phone call that there was a baby available in Chicago, fly out to Chicago, and there was me coming home three days later.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=200.59" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:20</u></a>):</p><p>So the Jewish community gets together and through connections establishes a network by which to presumably Jewish babies can arrive in a Jewish family in Baltimore.</p><p>Steve&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=213.46" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:33</u></a>):</p><p>Environment. Correct.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=213.46" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:33</u></a>):</p><p>Gotcha. Okay.</p><p>Steve&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=214.82" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:34</u></a>):</p><p>Correct. So fast forward a little bit. A couple years later in 1962 my parents were able to have a biological son, which is pretty normal. They say sometimes parents that cannot conceive then all of a sudden they can. But basically in the 60s growing up in the rambles town area of Baltimore County was like, our environment was like the show leave at the Beaver. It was really, it was just, you know, a brand new suburban area. I grew up in a, in a 100% Jewish neighborhood. There must have been 115 homes in my neighborhood and every single one of them was Jewish.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=253.97" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:13</u></a>):</p><p>Mhmm an enclave. The community. Yeah.</p><p>Steve&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=257.54" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:17</u></a>):</p><p>Well it was pretty much just like any other family in the neighborhood. I quite frankly, I didn't realize I was adopted until I was the age of six. Um, there's only a couple of things I can really remember, uh, before the year 1964 and that was John F. Kennedy getting shot and the day my mother told me I was adopted.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=280.77" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:40</u></a>):</p><p>Huge moments in your life, huh?</p><p>Steve&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=282.8" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:42</u></a>):</p><p>Yeah. Yeah. And I, and I tell people that my adoptions no big deal. But that moment when my mother told me I must've been a big deal cause it's still in my brain to this day cause I could remember exactly where I was sitting when my mother told me that news.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=296.4" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:56</u></a>):</p><p>Do you remember how you felt? What did it, what did it feel like? Or what did she say? What else do you remember?</p><p>Steve&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=301.62" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:01</u></a>):</p><p>Yeah, well I remember sitting down on the steps on my 6th birthday. It might've been like a day or two before I was to start first grade. So I'm thinking maybe my parents thought we might as well tell him today before he goes to school and finds out in school from somebody else because maybe one of the parents in the neighborhood told some kid who knows. So it was a good time to tell me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=323.44" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:23</u></a>):</p><p>Yeah, the community talks. Yeah.</p><p>Steve&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=325.75" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:25</u></a>):</p><p>Exactly. Exactly. So she sat me down and said, I have something to tell you. And I think she said, you know, I love you very much, we love you very much something like that. And I said to myself, oh boy what's going on here? So she said that I just want to let you know that you and your sister were adopted, uh, to our, uh, mothers in Chicago, uh, who were not able to care for their babies cause they were poor pretty much through that spiel out there at us. And I went okay. And then she explained that how, you know, my mother carried me around for nine months and then gave birth and then she, my parents went up to Chicago and got us and then of course she says to me, um, you have any questions about your adoption or if you have any questions in the future, please feel free to ask. So the only thing, I do remember saying this, cause my mom still says to this day, I said, yeah, I do. I have a question. And she says, what's that? I said, and I said, too late for me to go down the street, play wiffle ball?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=384.27" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:24</u></a>):</p><p>The mind of a six year old!</p><p>Steve&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=386.63" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:26</u></a>):</p><p>Exactly. Adoption meant nothing to me. I didn't even know where babies came from at that age. My dad he came in the front door with my sister and we start talking. She says, Hey, we're adopted. What that means is, we went around the neighbrhood and told everyone we are adopted!</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=400.5" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:40</u></a>):</p><p>Haha, good news folks!</p><p>Steve&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=404.98" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:44</u></a>):</p><p>Hey, it was all like, you know what's, you know, what's the deal here? So it didn't have that much of an effect on us in a negative way. Yeah, that's pretty much how it stayed all through the 60s. We were just doing normal family in Baltimore.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=417.16" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:57</u></a>):</p><p>Going back to when you're six years old, you've sat on the front porch with your mom, she's told you that you're adopted. Has your baby brother been born yet? And do you recall at all thinking like, well what does that mean? Like how are we different then? Do you, did you, do you recall at all a point when you thought to yourself, wait a minute, she's telling me that we're different in some way?</p><p>Steve&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=439.83" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:19</u></a>):</p><p>Yeah, well he was probably too, okay. Yeah, probably still sitting in a crib. And I do know, I do remember my mom giving birth to my brother, so I knew that he came from my mother. Um, but when my mom told me that I did not, again, like a deer in the headlights kind of a situation. It just really wasn't a big deal to me. I was just so occupied and to my life and in that neighborhood, I mean this was the, this was the baby boom generation. There were kids everywhere running in the street, you know.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=475.5" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:55</u></a>):</p><p>And six and seven year old boys aren't known for being particularly introspective or contemplative. So I could see how this wouldn't necessarily hit you with like a ton of bricks.</p><p>Steve&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=485.83" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:05</u></a>):</p><p>Exactly. And it really didn't, it really didn't really register to me till I got maybe around the age of eight and nine. It was about that age when I realized that, hey, babies stay in a mother's body for like nine months. And then they have birth and, and it started coming to me, Hey, there's somebody out there that carried me around for nine months who, you know, then all of a sudden the fantasy started coming around and the dream of, you know, who, who is this person? You know? And, and I had those thoughts, but my sister did not have those thoughts. That's what's really bizarre. We grew up in the same house absolute to this day, to this still no interest.</p><p>Steve&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=536.82" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:56</u></a>):</p><p>She doesn't even talk about it. Yeah. And all three of us different personalities. You know, my brother was a extremely smart kid in school. Straight A's. Yeah. He had his own friends. My sister had her own friends, very good in school. And then there was me, the athlete, the guy that was average student at best and getting in trouble. Maybe it was because I was the middle child, who knows? But I was a little juvenile delinquent and I caused my mother and father so many headaches. You can't even imagine how bad of a kid I was when I was like 12, 13, 14 and 15. And I'm sure my parents were probably thinking where this kid come from?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=576.64" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:36</u></a>):</p><p>Yeah, right, right.</p><p>Steve&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=578.69" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>09:38</u></a>):</p><p>Yeah. Of course, they would never say that to me, but they were the perfect parents when it comes to raising adopted children, just, they were probably, they had all the right answers to everything, you know? But I never, yeah, I mean, you know, look, I'm sure my sister and I, somewhere when we were younger, probably said, hey, you're only punishing us today because we're adopted. You know? I'm sure we threw that at them a couple times.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=602.6" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>10:02</u></a>):</p><p>Yeah. A lot of adoptees do that. I remember doing it to my own mother.</p><p>Steve&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=605.94" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>10:05</u></a>):</p><p>You whip out the adoption card when you're in trouble.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=608.5" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>10:08</u></a>):</p><p>Yeah. Yeah, you weaponize it and then you don't realize until a little bit later when you're older or even after that moment like, Oh boy.</p><p>Steve&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=615.79" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>10:15</u></a>):</p><p>Oh, that's embarrassing. Yeah, exactly. But you know, our parents are the ones that know what they're doing, they know that day is coming. They, they know that's coming and they're prepared for it. And my mother just steadfast, she says, no, no, Steven and you, you, you're in trouble today because you threw a lock through the neighbors window yesterday.</p><p>Steve&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=640.51" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>10:40</u></a>):</p><p>This has nothing to do with how you came into this world. Let's just get this straight. So fast forward a little bit, you've, you've, you're now eight years old and it's kinda hitting you. There's somebody out there that did the same thing that my mom has done for their son, the baby that she carried in her belly. What, what kinds of things did you think about, about this other person?</p><p>Steve&nbsp;(<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/oCr3_Cobxpxna8xnX9Eso3a5TGrnBm4_rMh-VXOnUtKfDaeZtLLlueMSXFegCzB4cXXb4IhTj93Q2BaZZJ4B0KafVC8?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=661.16" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>11:01</u></a>):</p><p>I would obviously dream of what and who my mother was, you know, I would fantasize. Uh, well she's Marilyn Monroe orJane Mansfield.</p><p>Damon (<a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/010-how-can-i-meet-her-without-telling-her-who-i-am-2]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1575</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 27 May 2017 05:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/d750f17f-f387-4930-9f73-5715c2bdb470/010-steve-houtput-final.mp3" length="42866184" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>44:39</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>10</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>10</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Steve was raised in Baltimore, MD in a predominantly Jewish suburban neighborhood. But as he looked around at his friends and other families, he truly questioned his own identity, especially as an adoptee. In an era before electronic record keeping, Steve used his street savvy to buy the information he needed about himself in order…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>006 – I Forgave Her When My Son Was Born</title><itunes:title>006 – I Forgave Her When My Son Was Born</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>In adoption, Julie grew up in the Midwest with a family of trans racial adoptees.&nbsp;Her brothers are adopted from Vietnam, and her sister is white. Each of them has a different perspective on&nbsp;searching for their biological families. Julie has always been curious. She told me that in the moments after her son was born and he was placed in her arms, she could forgive her biological mother, and release the anger she previously felt about her&nbsp;rejection. In that moment, she clearly understood the everlasting bond of a mother to her child.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/006-julie-r/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">006 – I Forgave Her When My Son Was Born</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=0.22" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:00</u></a>):</p><p>Yeah. When I had my son, like the moment I gave birth to him, I will say like the second he was placed in my arm and my first thought was at my birth mom and I just, I, I let go of all the anger.</p><p>Voices (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=21.04" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:21</u></a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=32.42" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:32</u></a>):</p><p>This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. Hey, it's Damon and in this show. I had the great pleasure of catching up with my old friend Julie. We met over 10 years ago and as it often happens with me, we bonded over being adoptees, but she was already seeking her biological family and had been at it for a long time when we met. When we first knew one another, she had located her family of origin and her social worker had been in touch with them, but for some reason they had not actually made the connection. Julie moved away so I never got to hear what happened next for her. I've wondered about Julie for years. So today she finally satisfied my curiosity.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=77.27" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:17</u></a>):</p><p>Thank you so much for taking time to join me for this. I have been so excited to talk to you for like years. Honestly. I mean, you'll recall you and I first met back. What was that?</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=89.89" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:29</u></a>):</p><p>2003. Yep.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=89.89" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:29</u></a>):</p><p>We bonded over being adoptees. I recall one of the conversations that we had around the fact that you had begun to search for your biological family. So I'm really excited to hear the update because I, I've honestly, I've thought about you off and on for years wondering how your story unfolded. So I, I can't wait to get to the end, but for right now, what I'd love for you to do is just take me back to the beginning. Tell me a little bit about, you know, how you grew up, where you grew up, what your family structure was like, and just generally how it was being an adoptee in your family.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=127.48" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:07</u></a>):</p><p>Sure. So I was born in Chicago and, and immediately placed into foster care because my birth mom knew that she wasn't going to keep me. And I'll give you some backstory and a little bit of on that side of the family. But in my, um, in my adoptive family, which I typically just refer to as my family, um, I'm the fourth, I'm the youngest, I'm the baby and I'm the fourth child and all four of the kids in my family are adopted. And so my oldest sister is white. And then my brother, my next oldest brother is, uh, black and Vietnamese. And then I have a brother who's Vietnamese and probably something else. Um, we're not entirely sure. Both of them were, uh, both of them were, were they, I mean the Vietnamese war orphans and so we don't have accurate records on them and that includes like their age, their accurate birthdays. Um, so they were given records most likely as kids who already passed, which is typical. And so then</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=192.17" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:12</u></a>):</p><p>Thy were transferred records, they basically have someone else's records, you think?</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=195.85" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:15</u></a>):</p><p>Yes.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=196.45" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:16</u></a>):</p><p>Wow.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=196.98" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:16</u></a>):</p><p>Yeah, because so because, um, so this is a story that's like, you know, part of our family folklore. But, um, when my older brother came over and was finally having like, you know, immediately had his first doctor visit, the doctor was very clear with my parents that this child was at least six to nine months older than the age that they had reported to him, that they had been told.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=217.78" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:37</u></a>):</p><p>wow.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=218.62" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:38</u></a>):</p><p>Um, malnourished. Certainly him, both of my brothers were a malnourished when they came, um, and, and uh, and sick and so probably older than their actual years and maybe not a full year older, but definitely not that birthday that we have for them. Um, and so then, so they had those, those three, and they're kind of, they're stairstep and they're, I think between like five and eight years older than me. And then it came time and my parents decided that they wanted to adopt again and again, like family folklore, there was a little girl in Dallas, Texas, and then there was me in Chicago.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=252.58" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:12</u></a>):</p><p>And, um, my brother, my oldest brother, Jeff, is the one who decided that we should adopt me because we needed more brown skin in the family.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=261.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:21</u></a>):</p><p>Ah, that's so cute!</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=261.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:21</u></a>):</p><p>Um, yeah. Yeah. And so actually my first picture, um, that I keep on my fridge is that my brother Jeff holding me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=269.03" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:29</u></a>):</p><p>Oh, that's really awesome.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=269.531" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:29</u></a>):</p><p>On the day that the, yeah, on the day I was placed. And uh, and so yeah. So they went with me. And I also think because the other little girl had a lot of health issues too, and I was a healthy baby, so I think that that was worked in my favor certainly. Yup.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=284.95" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:44</u></a>):</p><p>I see. Wow.</p><p>Julie (<a...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In adoption, Julie grew up in the Midwest with a family of trans racial adoptees.&nbsp;Her brothers are adopted from Vietnam, and her sister is white. Each of them has a different perspective on&nbsp;searching for their biological families. Julie has always been curious. She told me that in the moments after her son was born and he was placed in her arms, she could forgive her biological mother, and release the anger she previously felt about her&nbsp;rejection. In that moment, she clearly understood the everlasting bond of a mother to her child.</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/006-julie-r/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">006 – I Forgave Her When My Son Was Born</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=0.22" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:00</u></a>):</p><p>Yeah. When I had my son, like the moment I gave birth to him, I will say like the second he was placed in my arm and my first thought was at my birth mom and I just, I, I let go of all the anger.</p><p>Voices (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=21.04" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:21</u></a>):</p><p>Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=32.42" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>00:32</u></a>):</p><p>This is Who Am I Really, a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. Hey, it's Damon and in this show. I had the great pleasure of catching up with my old friend Julie. We met over 10 years ago and as it often happens with me, we bonded over being adoptees, but she was already seeking her biological family and had been at it for a long time when we met. When we first knew one another, she had located her family of origin and her social worker had been in touch with them, but for some reason they had not actually made the connection. Julie moved away so I never got to hear what happened next for her. I've wondered about Julie for years. So today she finally satisfied my curiosity.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=77.27" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:17</u></a>):</p><p>Thank you so much for taking time to join me for this. I have been so excited to talk to you for like years. Honestly. I mean, you'll recall you and I first met back. What was that?</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=89.89" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:29</u></a>):</p><p>2003. Yep.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=89.89" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>01:29</u></a>):</p><p>We bonded over being adoptees. I recall one of the conversations that we had around the fact that you had begun to search for your biological family. So I'm really excited to hear the update because I, I've honestly, I've thought about you off and on for years wondering how your story unfolded. So I, I can't wait to get to the end, but for right now, what I'd love for you to do is just take me back to the beginning. Tell me a little bit about, you know, how you grew up, where you grew up, what your family structure was like, and just generally how it was being an adoptee in your family.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=127.48" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>02:07</u></a>):</p><p>Sure. So I was born in Chicago and, and immediately placed into foster care because my birth mom knew that she wasn't going to keep me. And I'll give you some backstory and a little bit of on that side of the family. But in my, um, in my adoptive family, which I typically just refer to as my family, um, I'm the fourth, I'm the youngest, I'm the baby and I'm the fourth child and all four of the kids in my family are adopted. And so my oldest sister is white. And then my brother, my next oldest brother is, uh, black and Vietnamese. And then I have a brother who's Vietnamese and probably something else. Um, we're not entirely sure. Both of them were, uh, both of them were, were they, I mean the Vietnamese war orphans and so we don't have accurate records on them and that includes like their age, their accurate birthdays. Um, so they were given records most likely as kids who already passed, which is typical. And so then</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=192.17" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:12</u></a>):</p><p>Thy were transferred records, they basically have someone else's records, you think?</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=195.85" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:15</u></a>):</p><p>Yes.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=196.45" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:16</u></a>):</p><p>Wow.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=196.98" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:16</u></a>):</p><p>Yeah, because so because, um, so this is a story that's like, you know, part of our family folklore. But, um, when my older brother came over and was finally having like, you know, immediately had his first doctor visit, the doctor was very clear with my parents that this child was at least six to nine months older than the age that they had reported to him, that they had been told.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=217.78" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:37</u></a>):</p><p>wow.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=218.62" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>03:38</u></a>):</p><p>Um, malnourished. Certainly him, both of my brothers were a malnourished when they came, um, and, and uh, and sick and so probably older than their actual years and maybe not a full year older, but definitely not that birthday that we have for them. Um, and so then, so they had those, those three, and they're kind of, they're stairstep and they're, I think between like five and eight years older than me. And then it came time and my parents decided that they wanted to adopt again and again, like family folklore, there was a little girl in Dallas, Texas, and then there was me in Chicago.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=252.58" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:12</u></a>):</p><p>And, um, my brother, my oldest brother, Jeff, is the one who decided that we should adopt me because we needed more brown skin in the family.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=261.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:21</u></a>):</p><p>Ah, that's so cute!</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=261.82" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:21</u></a>):</p><p>Um, yeah. Yeah. And so actually my first picture, um, that I keep on my fridge is that my brother Jeff holding me.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=269.03" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:29</u></a>):</p><p>Oh, that's really awesome.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=269.531" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:29</u></a>):</p><p>On the day that the, yeah, on the day I was placed. And uh, and so yeah. So they went with me. And I also think because the other little girl had a lot of health issues too, and I was a healthy baby, so I think that that was worked in my favor certainly. Yup.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=284.95" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:44</u></a>):</p><p>I see. Wow.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=284.95" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>04:44</u></a>):</p><p>Yeah, yeah, for sure. So, you know, there's like kind of the three months, three or four month waiting period rather than foster care. Um, and then on March 18th, I was placed with my adoptive family and have been with them since.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=302.68" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>05:02</u></a>):</p><p>And so, um, I was raised in river falls, uh, which is a, which is a fairly small college town, about 16,000 in Wisconsin. Um, so it was definitely like my brothers and I were probably about half of the black kids in town or like, actually the color in general in town. We knew, I mean there were a couple kids who were biracial, but for the most part, any, any kids of color were adoptees or um, you know, that part of western Wisconsin also, uh, pulled in a lot of refugees. And so initially, you know, they were, the Vietnamese refugees came over and a lot of the churches around offer a lot of services and then eventually, you know, among refugees came over. So there were some times other people of color, um, who were with their, um, you know, families of origin, but for the most part students of color to be adoptees and we knew all of them cause the adoptive community was obviously small and um, and so we were all kind of well connected and so it didn't seem, even though we were anomaly overall in my personal circle, it wasn't anything too unique.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=373.13" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:13</u></a>):</p><p>interesting. You know, I always think about folks in a interracial family and how it's always awesome to see, but I always wonder about the adoptees feeling about looking anything like, or not at all alike, their parents. And what I'm hearing you say is that in your entire community, basically that was the norm, was that there were so many adoptees that didn't look like their bylaws, their adopted parents, that, um, that it was, it was just normal.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=406.59" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>06:46</u></a>):</p><p>Well, yeah, I would say it's not that there was so many, it's that there were probably like four other families who happened to be part of my parents that got through because they all had transracial adoption situation. Right. And so because we kind of kept together, that wasn't, it didn't, I wasn't singled out in that way. I mean, I was almost always the only person of color in my classroom all the way through elementary and middle school and into high school. And there were other kids of color in my grade, but we just didn't always end up in the same class. So I would say I was probably like one of five or six in my grade the whole way through.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=444.62" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:24</u></a>):</p><p>Wow. So yeah, constant reminder to a degree that you are a little bit out of place. That's fascinating. So how did your parents, do you feel comfortable with the fact that you are adoptees?</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=457.14" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>07:37</u></a>):</p><p>Um, it, for, in my household it was always on the table for discussion. And so, I mean obviously because we weren't the same color as our parents, like it was clear. And even even for my sister who was white, it was just clear that none of us came from them. And so we could always talk about adoption and, um, I feel like I was, I was the most open about talking about mine. I remember, um, I remember when the movie, the land before time came out and little foot loses his mom at the beginning. And I was so sad and I remember sitting on my mom's lap and you know, she was like, does this make you think about your mom? I was like, it doesn't, I'm just, you know, I was crying, but that was never, I never got the sense from her that she was uncomfortable with me talking about my birth mom and my birth dad.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=500.3" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>08:20</u></a>):</p><p>Um, and, and they had like in their file cabinet, they had records. And so I had a copy of my adoptive, of like my, my doctor's records. So like my, um, my mom and dad's information not identifying information. I had like first names, ages, ethnicities, eye color like height, weight, kind of as basic physical demographics I also knew how many siblings they each had, the first names of their parents. Um, and, and, and my mom made me my own copy of that so I could always have it and look at it when I wanted. I did find out years later that she had identified information she wasn't allowed to give it to me until I was 21. I didn't know that until I was 21 that she had even more info. But what she could give me, I could have at any time I was feeling sad or needed to talk, it was just always open for me. I would say I've probably been the most open of my siblings and the most comfortable talking about that.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=555.38" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:15</u></a>):</p><p>That's so interesting. And it's fascinating too. I guess your parents probably would have had a lot of practice being that you were preceded by three siblings who were also adopted and they would have had questions and they would have had practice trying to help them feel comfortable. But the fact that you were so open about it personally and they provided you access to the information to say, listen, this is you and this is us. And uh, and he and we can talk about this anytime. I think that's, that's really incredible.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=583.25" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>09:43</u></a>):</p><p>It fits my personality too. Um, and then, you know, with my brothers it's more complicated because, um, there was no real way to share any specific information with my brothers. And so one thing my parents did years later that my parents took the boys over to Vietnam for three weeks or four weeks, one summer so that they could at least visit like their country of origin and see the orphanages and see the country where they were from. That was the closest they could do for my brothers to have a sense of identity as well.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=615.18" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>10:15</u></a>):</p><p>That must be so hard for them to know that their personal history will always be at such a distance because the documentation from their home country, I mean was just completely fouled up from the beginning. It's really kind of sad for them. But, um, I'm, I mean I hope that they, you know, feel very comfortable in the family that you all created together. So</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=636.94" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>10:36</u></a>):</p><p>I think we also like family. There's moments obviously of like its just like any family, sometimes we don't speak to each others. Sometimes we do. Sometimes we holler. Sometimes it's all love.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=646.81" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>10:46</u></a>):</p><p>Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I would imagine the dynamic is the same. It doesn't matter whether or not you guys consider yourselves brothers and sisters. You're going to battle and have fun like sisters. That's really it.</p><p>Julie (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=656.53" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>10:56</u></a>):</p><p>Exactly. We all know how to drive each other crazy and we all know how to lift each other up. So.</p><p>Damon (<a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/gc-ycAL_VRYtt6lQkTt2ovQolVfQax5o_bvFwV9L0qnaSPgL3wWRMs4mCL4JdmUBGhbVCRNgArwiY2RmROqslC6X9QA?loadFrom=SharedLink&amp;ts=662.06" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><u>11:02</u></a>):</p><p>so you were really comfortable as an adoptee in your family, which is really awesome to hear. But there, there was a time at some point when you decided that you actually actively wanted to search. You wanted to find out or what? Tell me a little bit about how you reached that point. What were some of the triggers that just said, you know what, I think it might be interesting. All right. I got to know...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/006-i-forgave-her-when-my-son-was-born-2]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1444</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/766599d9-2006-44de-99f0-7d2cc1dc5a78/S3OhWcNZYfZSEpchqeJtAxN4.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2017 04:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/027c7721-5b27-4e82-a5c0-230878f5ff57/006-julie-r.mp3" length="43017398" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>44:49</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>6</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>6</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>In adoption, Julie grew up in the Midwest with a family of trans racial adoptees.  Her brothers are adopted from Vietnam, and her sister is white. Each of them has a different perspective on searching for their biological families. Julie has always been curious. She told me that in the moments after her son was born…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>005 – Part of Her Memory That She Lost Was Me</title><itunes:title>005 – Part of Her Memory That She Lost Was Me</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Terry shared the story of his biological parents’ wartime extra marital affair that brought him to life.&nbsp;&nbsp;He said his adopted parents felt he was “the sun the moon and the stars”, and spoiled him that way. As a teen, Terry wanted to apply for a job and needed his birth certificate from his parents. But that simple request worried his mother deeply about her place in his heart because she thought he was beginning a search for his biological family. He didn’t connect with his biological mother until his own parents were in failing health, but what an emotional day it was when he did finally meet his first mom!</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/005-terry-c/" target="_blank">005 – Part of Her Memory That She Lost Was Me</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Terry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.12" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:02</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My Mom, her dad are dying and I'm going to beat my birth mother for the first time and my two half sisters that I've never met before. So I pulled up and Mary came out and we hug, but she was very, I don't want to say distant, but she certainly wasn't real warm.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=27.05" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:27</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=34.16" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:34</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. Hey, it's Damon on the show today is Terry who located his biological family at a time before the Internet allowed easy searches for facts and information. He was born in the 1940s a time of war for our country, but it's also when his story begins and his journey, you'll hear about his path to learning who he is in so many ways and a very emotional day that he met his biological mother for the first time. I've been really excited to talk to you since Carmen may the introduction, so thanks for making time. Tell me a little bit about your childhood and your community, a little bit about your family and just generally how you grew up as an adoptee.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Terry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=86.8" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:26</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, um, my parents had tried to, uh, have a child for like nine years and they were unsuccessful. They had a good friend. My mom's best friend, um, had a boarder in her house who's husband had gone to war and, uh, she was having an affair and I was the result of that affair. So when her husband came home, uh, he was pretty upset about the fact that she was pregnant and my moms friend knew that they'd been trying to have a kid, so they worked it out that I could be adopted by..</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=126.22" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:06</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wow.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Terry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=126.22" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:06</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Anyhow, Clarence and Charlotte were the only parents that I ever knew. They were wonderful parents in one respect, except that they were over over protective. I mean, they did not go anywhere without me for the first six years of my life, I was never outside of my mom or dads vision, you know. But I adapted to it and it was, it was okay, but you know, one o the classic examples I give is that Christmas really doesn't mean all that much to me anymore because when I was, I don't know, five or six, I came out of my bedroom and the entire living room floor was covered with packages and they only have my name on it and I just thought life was supposed to be, you know, and uh, my cousins always remark about the fact of how spoiled I was and how, you know, my mom just doted on me and all of that stuff. I didn't know anything different. I didn't know the world was any different than that. I didn't know that there were, I didn't know there was evil in the world. I didn't know there was, you know, I mean, I was so incredibly protected because I was the sun and the moon and the stars for them.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Terry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=196.03" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:16</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Now they told me from when I was a young child that I was adopted. I mean, there was a period of time, till I was 18 that we really didn't discuss that at all. My mom, when I was going through puberty, my mom was going through menopause. Oh, that was just a horrible time. It was just a horrible time. But we were, yeah, we were always fairly close, except she couldn't, accept.. Really she wanted me to be a doctor. She wanted me to be an MD and nothing else would work. And I went away to college. And so I flunked out of Denison University after a semester and a half, and she was just devastated. And then I went to Kent State and I was there for the massacres, unfortunately on May 4th.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=241.94" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:01</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh no.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Terry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=241.94" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:01</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Um, yeah, yeah, it was, uh, probably one of the things that changed my life more than anything.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Terry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=248.02" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:08</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And I was a Hippie and she hated that. She just, she thought that was awful. And, uh, I was living with a woman at the time. Uh, she was real unhappy about all that stuff, so I wasn't turning out the way she wanted...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry shared the story of his biological parents’ wartime extra marital affair that brought him to life.&nbsp;&nbsp;He said his adopted parents felt he was “the sun the moon and the stars”, and spoiled him that way. As a teen, Terry wanted to apply for a job and needed his birth certificate from his parents. But that simple request worried his mother deeply about her place in his heart because she thought he was beginning a search for his biological family. He didn’t connect with his biological mother until his own parents were in failing health, but what an emotional day it was when he did finally meet his first mom!</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/005-terry-c/" target="_blank">005 – Part of Her Memory That She Lost Was Me</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Terry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.12" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:02</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My Mom, her dad are dying and I'm going to beat my birth mother for the first time and my two half sisters that I've never met before. So I pulled up and Mary came out and we hug, but she was very, I don't want to say distant, but she certainly wasn't real warm.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=27.05" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:27</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=34.16" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:34</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? This is who am I really a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. Hey, it's Damon on the show today is Terry who located his biological family at a time before the Internet allowed easy searches for facts and information. He was born in the 1940s a time of war for our country, but it's also when his story begins and his journey, you'll hear about his path to learning who he is in so many ways and a very emotional day that he met his biological mother for the first time. I've been really excited to talk to you since Carmen may the introduction, so thanks for making time. Tell me a little bit about your childhood and your community, a little bit about your family and just generally how you grew up as an adoptee.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Terry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=86.8" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:26</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Well, um, my parents had tried to, uh, have a child for like nine years and they were unsuccessful. They had a good friend. My mom's best friend, um, had a boarder in her house who's husband had gone to war and, uh, she was having an affair and I was the result of that affair. So when her husband came home, uh, he was pretty upset about the fact that she was pregnant and my moms friend knew that they'd been trying to have a kid, so they worked it out that I could be adopted by..</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=126.22" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:06</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wow.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Terry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=126.22" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:06</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Anyhow, Clarence and Charlotte were the only parents that I ever knew. They were wonderful parents in one respect, except that they were over over protective. I mean, they did not go anywhere without me for the first six years of my life, I was never outside of my mom or dads vision, you know. But I adapted to it and it was, it was okay, but you know, one o the classic examples I give is that Christmas really doesn't mean all that much to me anymore because when I was, I don't know, five or six, I came out of my bedroom and the entire living room floor was covered with packages and they only have my name on it and I just thought life was supposed to be, you know, and uh, my cousins always remark about the fact of how spoiled I was and how, you know, my mom just doted on me and all of that stuff. I didn't know anything different. I didn't know the world was any different than that. I didn't know that there were, I didn't know there was evil in the world. I didn't know there was, you know, I mean, I was so incredibly protected because I was the sun and the moon and the stars for them.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Terry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=196.03" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:16</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Now they told me from when I was a young child that I was adopted. I mean, there was a period of time, till I was 18 that we really didn't discuss that at all. My mom, when I was going through puberty, my mom was going through menopause. Oh, that was just a horrible time. It was just a horrible time. But we were, yeah, we were always fairly close, except she couldn't, accept.. Really she wanted me to be a doctor. She wanted me to be an MD and nothing else would work. And I went away to college. And so I flunked out of Denison University after a semester and a half, and she was just devastated. And then I went to Kent State and I was there for the massacres, unfortunately on May 4th.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=241.94" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:01</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh no.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Terry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=241.94" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:01</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Um, yeah, yeah, it was, uh, probably one of the things that changed my life more than anything.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Terry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=248.02" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:08</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And I was a Hippie and she hated that. She just, she thought that was awful. And, uh, I was living with a woman at the time. Uh, she was real unhappy about all that stuff, so I wasn't turning out the way she wanted me to. And I also came out and we barely ever, I think I told them that I was gay and, um, we never discussed it after that. Never mentioned. And I moved to San Diego and that nearly killed her. Uh, she thought I was moving away from her, but I was just moving away from the weather in Akron, Ohio. She had talked to Virginia, I talked to Virginia after I moved here and she said, Oh yeah, your mom cried for a solid year. She just couldn't believe that you had left her. And you know, I'm missing my twenties for Heaven Sake.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Terry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=298.15" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:58</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You gotta be your own person. You know, she liked her the way she thought was the way things should be and that was what was right. And that was what was going to happen. And anything that went afoul of that was not, she just couldn't quite handle that one. So there were some difficulties. There were definitely difficult times in my, uh, post puberty, puberty and post puberty times when I was becoming my own person. I then, when I went to get a job and they needed a birth certificate, so I called my mom and said, I need a birth certificate. And boy, that was just dead silence on the other end of the phone. And my mom's not happy about me wanting to delve into it because she thought that I wouldn't love her anymore if I found my birth mother and father.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=344.56" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:44</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;She felt a little bit threatened. If you found your biological family that she would be relegated to a lower status in your mind.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Terry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=352.25" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:52</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Right. So anyway, I got the paper that she had, which basically says, you were born. My dad said well I'll give you your adoption papers if you want them? I said, no, no, all I need is this paper should suffice. You know, he was pretty cavalier about the whole thing. It was my mom that was pretty upset.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=368.48" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:08</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And how did you comfort her over that? That's a, that is a pretty, that's a valid concern of hers. Do you recall how you comforted her into being at peace with you having this internal desire to look</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Terry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=379.68" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:19</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;well, I didn't do much. I didn't do much because I thought it was kind of silly. I didn't, first of all, I didn't know that it had affected her that much. I knew it affected her somewhat, but I laugh, you know, it wasn't really a major concern. It's like, oh, for God's sake, I'm not gonna, you know, I, all I care about is that, you know, I get the job, that's all I really cared about. So I got the paperwork and I, and I got the job and all that good stuff. And then when I was, you know, by probably three or four years later, it just started, you know, I started thinking about it and thinking, well, I, I would kinda like to know, I would like to know if my mom and dad are still, if my birth mother and father are still alive, I would like to know, you know, and maybe meet them if they wanted to.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Terry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=427.86" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:07</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I wasn't going to push anything. I did some real preliminary stuff and I didn't do a whole lot. Uh, and I really didn't get anywhere, so I kind of dropped it. It really wasn't a big deal to me. So I kind of gave up the search in 2003 my mom and my dad were both in their late eighties and in failing health. And, um, I just thought, well, you know, this is a good time to find out. I'll see what I can find out. Things are a lot better. Oh and the adoption records had been open. That was another thing. Adoption Records were closed I believe when I was first looking at it in the 70s.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Speaker 3:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=470.85" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:50</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And sorry, just tell me Terry, what's, what state are we in?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Speaker 1:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=474.39" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:54</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oh, Akron, Ohio and I just found that it's a certificate of live birth from the Ohio Department of Health. That's the only thing I had to go by and it doesn't list anyone on there at all except my, my birth except my mom and dad. Clarence and Charlotte.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=492" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:12</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Your adopted parents?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Terry:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/kK6zo1uFgeTdE4st0XN2X-acC4t8M3zZxwIkcFk6wxAa5m7jmFPfc6uNOnqVYsPQmphtgsmwolbewtp8iugJErsKd7U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=493.26" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>08:13</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, my adopted parents. And so that's all I had. That's, that was the dead end that I came to. So then after the, after the records were opened up and my parents were in, uh, failing health, I thought, well, I'll just see. It'd be interesting to see. So I started nosing around and I found out that the Mormon Center in San Diego has a lot of information on genealogy. So I think I went there. Then I got the name of a group in Cleveland, Ohio that does searches for adopted kids. Anyway, the person I contacted was very nice and she said, yeah, I'll do some research. It's going to take me a little while, but I'll, I'll do some research and then I kind of dropped it. She was emailing me back and forth. She found the record of my, my birth mother's husband.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/005-part-of-her-memory-that-she-lost-was-me-2]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1514</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2017 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/419bc9ad-ccfd-48e5-abed-020a35a26dbc/005-terry-c2-final.mp3" length="21033251" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>21:55</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>5</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>5</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Terry shared the story of his biological parents’ wartime extra marital affair that brought him to life.   He said his adopted parents felt he was “the sun the moon and the stars”, and spoiled him that way. As a teen, Terry wanted to apply for a job and needed his birth certificate from his parents.…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>003 – When the Search Finds You</title><itunes:title>003 – When the Search Finds You</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>Kathleen grew up with five siblings, and they were all biologically related to her parents–she was the only adoptee!&nbsp;As a child she was told that she was adopted, but it didn’t quite sink in until the topic of adoption came up in conversation and her mother reminded her, “you’re adopted too.”&nbsp;But what blew my mind was how the search for her first family wasn’t originated by her,&nbsp;her family found her and knew exactly where to look</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/003-kathleen-m/" target="_blank">003 – When the Search Finds You</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Kathleen:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=0.02" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:00</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You meet people your whole life. You meet friends, you meet new family members, people are born, people die, but meeting someone who is your actual biological parent after you're already, you know, at this point I was 18 years old is a very, very strange thing.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=19.32" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:19</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.73" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:30</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is "Who Am I, Really" a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. Hey, it's Damon on today's show. I'm joined by Kathleen. Her journey as an adoptee is amazing because while she wanted to search for her family of origin, the search actually came to her at a very young age. You're not going to believe how Kathleen's story unfolded and you'll hear just how fortunate she feels for how things turned out.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=69.96" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:09</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I appreciate you taking time to do the show. Take me back to the beginning. I know you and I talked a little bit before, but take me back to the beginning. Tell me a little bit about your background, about growing up, where you were and what your community was like, what your family was like and your, your family structure.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Kathleen:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=86.47" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:26</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Okay. So I was raised mostly in Racine, Wisconsin, and I was the youngest of six children. Uh, it was a big Irish Catholic family and I was the only of the six to be adopted actually.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=100.07" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:40</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wow. So you had five biologicals and you were the sole adoptee.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Kathleen:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=105.27" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:45</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Right, exactly.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=107.1" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:47</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So how was it?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Kathleen:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=107.1" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:47</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was raised in a very, you know, culturally Irish family I would say. And what I always thought, looking back, what was so interesting about is the fact that I never, until I really knew that I was adopted, recognized the difference in our appearance, which to me today is very obvious. I mean, I, I have darker skin and darker complexion and they all look very, very Irish and have the, you know, the reddish hair and the freckles and green eyes. And I didn't have that at all. And when I was growing up, I just didn't notice it, which really says a lot about what children do and do not see as they're, as they're young.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=141.88" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:21</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Absolutely. Yeah, I totally understand that. We just are kind of blinded to the differences between us because we're all kids and it's only when we get to be adults and we're taught what our differences might be that we really start to recognize them. So true. So now tell me a little bit about when you discovered you were adopted or when you were told, how did that go down in your family?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Kathleen:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=161.3" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:41</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So I talked to my mom about this not long ago and I asked her when she told me I was adopted because I remember her telling me when I was nine years old. And she very, very much remembers telling me earlier. But I think the way that she told me was not very direct, it was sort of in a story type way, not the, you know, Kathleen, I'm sitting you down today to tell you you're adopted, but you know, making references to adoption or making references to things that I guess as a kid I just didn't pick up on. And so when I, when I was nine years old, I remember having a conversation with my older brother and we were talking about someone else who was adopted and my mom threw out, you're adopted. And I was absolutely stunned.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=204.12"...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathleen grew up with five siblings, and they were all biologically related to her parents–she was the only adoptee!&nbsp;As a child she was told that she was adopted, but it didn’t quite sink in until the topic of adoption came up in conversation and her mother reminded her, “you’re adopted too.”&nbsp;But what blew my mind was how the search for her first family wasn’t originated by her,&nbsp;her family found her and knew exactly where to look</p><p>The post <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/003-kathleen-m/" target="_blank">003 – When the Search Finds You</a> appeared first on <a href="http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com" target="_blank">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p><p><span style="color: black">Kathleen:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=0.02" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:00</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You meet people your whole life. You meet friends, you meet new family members, people are born, people die, but meeting someone who is your actual biological parent after you're already, you know, at this point I was 18 years old is a very, very strange thing.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=19.32" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:19</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.73" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:30</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is "Who Am I, Really" a podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. Hey, it's Damon on today's show. I'm joined by Kathleen. Her journey as an adoptee is amazing because while she wanted to search for her family of origin, the search actually came to her at a very young age. You're not going to believe how Kathleen's story unfolded and you'll hear just how fortunate she feels for how things turned out.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=69.96" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:09</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I appreciate you taking time to do the show. Take me back to the beginning. I know you and I talked a little bit before, but take me back to the beginning. Tell me a little bit about your background, about growing up, where you were and what your community was like, what your family was like and your, your family structure.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Kathleen:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=86.47" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:26</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Okay. So I was raised mostly in Racine, Wisconsin, and I was the youngest of six children. Uh, it was a big Irish Catholic family and I was the only of the six to be adopted actually.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=100.07" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:40</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wow. So you had five biologicals and you were the sole adoptee.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Kathleen:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=105.27" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:45</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Right, exactly.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=107.1" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:47</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So how was it?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Kathleen:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=107.1" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:47</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was raised in a very, you know, culturally Irish family I would say. And what I always thought, looking back, what was so interesting about is the fact that I never, until I really knew that I was adopted, recognized the difference in our appearance, which to me today is very obvious. I mean, I, I have darker skin and darker complexion and they all look very, very Irish and have the, you know, the reddish hair and the freckles and green eyes. And I didn't have that at all. And when I was growing up, I just didn't notice it, which really says a lot about what children do and do not see as they're, as they're young.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=141.88" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:21</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Absolutely. Yeah, I totally understand that. We just are kind of blinded to the differences between us because we're all kids and it's only when we get to be adults and we're taught what our differences might be that we really start to recognize them. So true. So now tell me a little bit about when you discovered you were adopted or when you were told, how did that go down in your family?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Kathleen:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=161.3" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:41</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So I talked to my mom about this not long ago and I asked her when she told me I was adopted because I remember her telling me when I was nine years old. And she very, very much remembers telling me earlier. But I think the way that she told me was not very direct, it was sort of in a story type way, not the, you know, Kathleen, I'm sitting you down today to tell you you're adopted, but you know, making references to adoption or making references to things that I guess as a kid I just didn't pick up on. And so when I, when I was nine years old, I remember having a conversation with my older brother and we were talking about someone else who was adopted and my mom threw out, you're adopted. And I was absolutely stunned.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=204.12" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:24</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wow. What did that change for you? How did, what did you think? Do you remember?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Kathleen:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=208.11" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:28</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, I started looking at things differently. I wanted to get as much information as possible. At the same time, I really didn't want to hurt my mom's feelings. So my first reaction was I didn't want to ask her many questions because I just felt that it might hurt her feelings. And so I did whatever I could back in the day to get information about, you know, being adopted and how I could get information about my biological parents. And really there, there just wasn't much out there in terms of avenues to get that information</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=236.74" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:56</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Not a lot of information at that time. What's, what's the year roughly that you feel like you started to search and what was the catalyst for your search in earnest?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Kathleen:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=245.42" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:05</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I would have to say that I started searching in the early eighties but it wasn't quite so earnest and what really happened was that my birth mother found me. And so that piece of course a lot easier and, and I was in high school at the time, so fortunately she found me. And you know, it's interesting, the way that she found me is because it was a, I was a private adoption apparently. And when she was signing the adoption papers she was able to see the names of my adoptive parents. And so she always sort of had that information and was waiting for the right time to seek out.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=280.6" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:40</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That's incredible. So she is sitting there at the table, she's made your adoption plan. She's presumably signing the forms that are going to turn the rest of your caregiving and life over to another set of parents. And she's able to see on the form who you're going to and sat on the secret.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Kathleen:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=299.58" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:59</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. It's funny because I'm actually a lawyer now, so I look back at that and think about, that's kind of a malpractice situation, but I'm really happy about because it really worked out well for me.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=308.72" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:08</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. Right. As a lawyer, the last thing that she wants someone to do, but I could see how it worked out very well for you. So how did that go? You said you were in high school and she reached out to you. How did it go?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Kathleen:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=319.49" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>05:19</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So, um, I, I think my family situation made it a little bit easier on everyone involved. So when I was in fourth grade, my adoptive parents divorced, which wasn't easy at all, but, um, by the time my birth mother reached out to me, I was living with my mom and two of my brothers and she always sort of instilled a great amount of independence in all of us. You know, we did our own laundry, you know, we made our own lunches for school and so I was, I was very independent and I don't think that, um, when she was first contacted by my birth mother that it was so much of a threat to her as it may be to other adoptive parents. And, and also, I mean, remember I'm the youngest of six, so I wasn't the only child that may have impacted things as well. So, um, she, she got the letter and I know she waited on in a little bit and then she talked to me about it and I was just thrilled because I always knew that I wanted to meet my birth mother.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=371.13" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:11</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So your biological mother sends snail mail to your adopted mother and introduces herself. Do you know what it said? Have you had a chance to review the letter since?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Kathleen:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=381.55" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>06:21</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. You know, I do. The interesting thing is, is that I happen to get the mail that day and when I looked at the letter, I just really thought there was something interesting about it that the handwriting on it was perfect. It, it almost looked a little bit like mine, which is crazy. And it was from Iowa and I thought, you know, what is that? And I knew there was something coming, so I was waiting for it and I knew my mom was going to tell me. And so, you know, when we sat down and talked about it, the letter really just asked my mom's permission to kind of open the lines of communication between myself and my birth mother. and fortunately, she helped facilitate that. And so the first thing that happened afterwards was a phone call between myself and my birth mother, which was just unbelievable. It was such an interesting thing talking to someone for the first time and hearing the voice over the phone of a person that you know, you've always wondered about it for as long as you knew about that person.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/prv9wVvTWzZRvxW7Pm2ShA2WuGlSPd57t6uQcdZlzRJX3IyDrHkFV6wcUI4kJ__giG0fEK64-ufxuxKpbQfJHCIeTaE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=431.54" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>07:11</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Right. So just take me back for a quick second just for clarity. You said, I knew something was coming. What do you mean by that? Did you mean that she reached out to you first?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Kathleen:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/003-when-the-search-finds-you]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1432</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2017 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/46176236-c061-452f-81b0-aa9e789a9b82/003-wair-kathleen-m-final.mp3" length="50508614" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>26:18</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>3</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>3</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>Kathleen grew up with five siblings, and they were all biologically related to her parents–she was the only adoptee! As a child she was told that she was adopted, but it didn’t quite sink in until the topic of adoption came up in conversation and her mother reminded her, “you’re adopted too.” But what blew my mind…</itunes:summary></item><item><title>001- The End of Summer Cake</title><itunes:title>001- The End of Summer Cake</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>I’ve shared an adoptee bond with my dear&nbsp;high school friend Andre for years. In this episode, Andre shares the&nbsp;story of his loving adopted family, being the older sibling to&nbsp;his adopted parent’s biological son, and the truth about how he came into this world. His biological mother never forgot him and honored his life every year.</p><p><span style="color: black">Andre:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.71" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:02</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You go up to the judge, she has my case. She opens this Manila folder and I was like, there it is, like I'm this close. So then she proceeds to go through and she says that, you know, I have information here but you can't have it.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=23.56" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:23</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=34.89" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:34</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. Hey, it's Damon and on today's show I was lucky to be joined by my old friend Andre. We've known one another for more than 25 years, going back to high school and at that time as young men, we both discovered that the other was adopted too and we were instantly connected. In our conversation, you'll hear some of that old school brotherly love, but you'll also hear some really poignant moments when the fact that he's an adoptee was revealed to his brother and the difficult news he learned about how he came into the world.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=81.14" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:21</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;First, Andre, I want to welcome you to the show. Thanks for coming.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Andre:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=83.64" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:23</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Thank you for having me, Damon.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=84.72" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:24</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So glad you could do it. So tell me a little bit about your family growing up. Just start from the beginning as a young guy, tell me a little bit about you.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Andre:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=94.74" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:34</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I grew up in Framingham, Massachusetts. Great parents, father was retired military. Um, mom was an HR salesman for digital equipment corporation. I have a younger brother, three years younger.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=107.2" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:47</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What's his name?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Andre:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=107.2" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:47</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Jason. Jason is his name. We had a great life. I had no idea that my story would unfold the way it did growing up with such great parents.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=119.52" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:59</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. You and Jason were close?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Andre:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=121.74" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:01</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Very close.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=122.91" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:02</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And is Jason adopted also?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Andre:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=124.231" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:04</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;He is not, he's my parents' biological child.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=126.811" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:06</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So he's biological and you're adopted. And how was that?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Andre:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=130.74" target="_blank" style="color:...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve shared an adoptee bond with my dear&nbsp;high school friend Andre for years. In this episode, Andre shares the&nbsp;story of his loving adopted family, being the older sibling to&nbsp;his adopted parent’s biological son, and the truth about how he came into this world. His biological mother never forgot him and honored his life every year.</p><p><span style="color: black">Andre:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.71" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:02</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You go up to the judge, she has my case. She opens this Manila folder and I was like, there it is, like I'm this close. So then she proceeds to go through and she says that, you know, I have information here but you can't have it.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Voices:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=23.56" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:23</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=34.89" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>00:34</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is Who Am I Really? A podcast about adoptees that have located and connected with their biological family members. Hey, it's Damon and on today's show I was lucky to be joined by my old friend Andre. We've known one another for more than 25 years, going back to high school and at that time as young men, we both discovered that the other was adopted too and we were instantly connected. In our conversation, you'll hear some of that old school brotherly love, but you'll also hear some really poignant moments when the fact that he's an adoptee was revealed to his brother and the difficult news he learned about how he came into the world.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=81.14" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:21</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;First, Andre, I want to welcome you to the show. Thanks for coming.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Andre:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=83.64" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:23</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Thank you for having me, Damon.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=84.72" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:24</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So glad you could do it. So tell me a little bit about your family growing up. Just start from the beginning as a young guy, tell me a little bit about you.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Andre:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=94.74" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:34</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I grew up in Framingham, Massachusetts. Great parents, father was retired military. Um, mom was an HR salesman for digital equipment corporation. I have a younger brother, three years younger.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=107.2" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:47</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What's his name?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Andre:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=107.2" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:47</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Jason. Jason is his name. We had a great life. I had no idea that my story would unfold the way it did growing up with such great parents.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=119.52" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>01:59</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah. You and Jason were close?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Andre:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=121.74" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:01</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Very close.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=122.91" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:02</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And is Jason adopted also?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Andre:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=124.231" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:04</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;He is not, he's my parents' biological child.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=126.811" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:06</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So he's biological and you're adopted. And how was that?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Andre:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=130.74" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:10</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;We didn't know. I didn't know that my mom couldn't have, uh, she had a bunch of miscarriages, um, that they had tried and tried and tried. So they went the adoption route. So, but I didn't find that story out until way later with aunts and family members and it actually kind of just came out yeah. Just came out that, hey, you know, yeah. Ruby couldn't have kids.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=153.28" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:33</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So, so to be clear you're the oldest?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Andre:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=156.59" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:36</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I'm the oldest and Jason's younger than me.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=159.26" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:39</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Gotcha. And that was okay. Like did he know? When did he? So you found out?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Andre:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=164.87" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>02:44</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I found out that I was adopted, This is weird, I found out that I was adopted when I was two and some change. They were, pregnant with Jason. And I remember them sitting me down. It's really weird how you go back and you find these memories, but I remember that so vividly.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Andre:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=181.78" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:01</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I remember the little Pajama set that I was wearing and the whole nine and they sat me down and they were like, hey, you know, mom's pregnant and we're going to have, you're going to have a sibling, but we'll want to let you know that you're ours but you're not ours. We got you a different way. And they proceeded to explain it to me, but it all stopped when they said that I'm theirs, but they got me a different way.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=207.61" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:27</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Did they explain that at all? I mean, you're pretty young.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Andre:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=209.741" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:29</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So they explained it and it just, it didn't hit me, it didn't hit me until later. So Jason was born and I remember, I remember before that my birthdays, they were mine and then Jason was born. It was my birth. He was born in July. My birthday's in August. I remember everyone just, Oh, the baby, the baby, the baby.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Andre:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=231.43" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>03:51</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;But it was my birthday. Uh, so to get the attention back on me, I remember going in and putting my hand on the stove, on the little coils and I straight burnt myself, you know, attention came back to me, but you know, it was just, it was the weirdest thing and I've always had that, you know, he's, theirs and, you know, as I got older I kind of just buried it. I just buried it.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=259.66" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:19</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah I can imaging that. Did you? So you and Jason got along fine?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Andre:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=261.67" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:21</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;We got along fine, we got along fine.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">New Speaker:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=264.07" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:24</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Um, but it was always in the back of your mind, it sounds like back to my mind. But Jason didn't know. He didn't know that I was adopted. And so when did he find out? He found out that I was adopted when he was four? No, I was 15. That would've been 87.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Andre:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a href="https://www.temi.com/editor/t/b7CODb9t6EbuzWLlsB0Za-uulHngfVMvHP9wvURf-o5f23sABGIfelW29awvs2ia14u73H7rHSn7VHvX-xPBRP4RDc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=284.17" target="_blank" style="color: blue"><u>04:44</u></a><span style="color: black">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Uh, we moved from Massachusetts to Columbia. My Dad got a job transfer cause my mom got him a job with digital when he retired from the military. And that job brought us here to Maryland. And, and the crazy thing is, is that that's previous summer we were in Mississippi with my dad's father and my grandfather, I, well I'm a big guy and my family's really, really lean, really lean. So my grandfather, someone had said something to my grandfather in church and he said, yeah, that's the boy who was adopted. And my brother overheard that. Oh, he heard accidentally heard accidentally. So the whole way home and the ride, I convinced him that grandpa was crazy. That grandpa was crazy. So tried to dismiss it. I did. I absolutely did. So we got home and I pretty much squashed it with Jason and he was like, okay, you're right.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Andre:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a...]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/001-the-end-of-summer-cake]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1328</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/14e98673-d147-46c0-8539-02ace65e5542/b5VKb0hEP2Sm6o56BaVrwmG8.jpg"/><pubDate>Sat, 25 Mar 2017 07:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/adb7a694-3727-4522-b005-dabe30d0050c/001-wair-andre-m.mp3" length="31850824" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>33:11</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>1</itunes:episode><podcast:episode>1</podcast:episode><podcast:season>1</podcast:season><itunes:summary>I’ve shared an adoptee bond with my dear high school friend Andre for years. In this episode, Andre shares the story of his loving adopted family, being the older sibling to his adopted parent’s biological son, and the truth about how he came into this world. His biological mother never forgot him and honored his life every year.</itunes:summary></item><item><title>000: Welcome to Who Am I Really?</title><itunes:title>000: Welcome to Who Am I Really?</itunes:title><description><![CDATA[<p>I’m&nbsp;devoting this program dedicated to helping people placed into adoption to&nbsp;explore their own&nbsp;emotions, desires, and questions about reuniting with their biological family by asking others like us to&nbsp;tell their own true stories.&nbsp;I’m so thankful for the life that my adopted parents gave me, but&nbsp;I also had the incredibly good fortune to be reunited with my biological mother in 2009. Our story is amazing to me because our reunification unfolded in a way that I never could have predicted. However everyone’s search and discovery journey is different and we’ll share&nbsp;an array of stories in this podcast.</p><p><a href=\"#\" target=\"_blank\">Read Full Transcript</a>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m_nZFPifph71aT0J7uLQlqnevXOSL5bkqqJzTuDw1sCF-k3O1ctSjTM66_7XK6CQkszJfJkTTGGC3sPrlfhmE2oFuH4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=9.36\" target=\"_blank\"><u>00:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Hi, I’m Damon Davis and I’m launching a new podcast series called, Who Am I Really? I’m devoting this program to helping people placed into adoption to explore their own emotions, desires, and questions about reuniting with their biological family by asking others like us to tell their own true stories. You’re probably asking yourself who I am and why I launched this podcast. First, let me say, I grew up in a very loving home with my adoptive mother, Veronica, supported by my adoptive father, Willy they’re just mom and dad to me, and I love them dearly for everything they did, large and small. That gave me the opportunities to be the man that I am today, but I also had the incredibly good fortune to be reunited with my biological mother in 2009. Our story is amazing to me because our reunification unfolded in a way that I never could have predicted.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m_nZFPifph71aT0J7uLQlqnevXOSL5bkqqJzTuDw1sCF-k3O1ctSjTM66_7XK6CQkszJfJkTTGGC3sPrlfhmE2oFuH4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=64.55\" target=\"_blank\"><u>01:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;A few things happened to me that really sparked my desire to search. One of the first influences happened during a visit with my inlaws in Baltimore, Maryland. My wife’s distant aunt welcomed us into her home one day. This lovely elderly woman opened the door, greeted us, toting her small wheeled oxygen tank behind her. As we sat in her living room, she spread pictures, newspaper clippings and letters on the coffee table. She told stories about the family’s history in a way that only she could recount them as what I viewed as the unofficial family historian, but that experience made me realize that one day she would no longer be with us and if another person tried to spread the same family historical facts in the same way they could not tell the family story the way that she had. It dawned on me that when she passed away, the ability to weave the family history that she knew would be lost and I should act quickly if I didn’t want the same to happen in my biological family.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m_nZFPifph71aT0J7uLQlqnevXOSL5bkqqJzTuDw1sCF-k3O1ctSjTM66_7XK6CQkszJfJkTTGGC3sPrlfhmE2oFuH4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=127.85\" target=\"_blank\"><u>02:07</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;When I decided to launch the search, my social worker in Baltimore shared something from her experience that I hadn’t thought about before. She said that women tend to search for their family of origin sooner than men do and that men search most often after they’ve had their own children. That was me. A short time after my wife gave birth to our son, I was at home alone with him, gazing on him with sheer amazement at this little dude we had created. He laid there on his back, kicked his legs, and waved his arms and stared up at me. In that moment by ourselves, I whispered to Seth with tears in my eyes, you’re the first blood relative I have ever known. As I talked to more people about their stories of searching and discovery, I’ve learned so much about each individual and about the commonalities between of us as adoptees.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m_nZFPifph71aT0J7uLQlqnevXOSL5bkqqJzTuDw1sCF-k3O1ctSjTM66_7XK6CQkszJfJkTTGGC3sPrlfhmE2oFuH4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=180.85\" target=\"_blank\"><u>03:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;We have basic questions about how we came to be, what happened with my biological mother and father when I was conceived? Why couldn’t they take care of me themselves when I was born? What was the story of my adoption? We tried to figure it out for ourselves by imagining all kinds of scenarios for why our parents made the choice to place us into adoption. We tried to figure it out for ourselves by imagining all kinds of scenarios for why our biological parents made the choice to place us into adoption, but it’s almost impossible to form a complete picture about yourself if you don’t know your own personal history. The puzzle has too many missing pieces. I’ve learned that some adoptees live with significant doubt about how much they were truly accepted by their adoptive parents. Some question, their place in their family among biological siblings, multiple adoptees, interracial families, or a mix of religious beliefs.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m_nZFPifph71aT0J7uLQlqnevXOSL5bkqqJzTuDw1sCF-k3O1ctSjTM66_7XK6CQkszJfJkTTGGC3sPrlfhmE2oFuH4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=236.95\" target=\"_blank\"><u>03:56</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Others live well adjusted lives of doting parental love, but still feel a longing to understand their biological past like I did. Whether a child grows up well adjusted in a loving family or was reared in a less favorable home, they will likely have questions about their biological origin and those questions can vary widely. Who Do I look like? What health condition should I be aware of? Do I have siblings I don’t know about? Many times that curiosity is too much to contain. The desire for deeper understanding is too strong and we think we really should look for some answers. More often than you might think fear sets in and the questions turn to doubt that might delay a person’s search for their family of origin for years. Those doubts are expressed in concerns that might sound like I’ve had a great life, why would I expose myself to a potentially painful truth?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m_nZFPifph71aT0J7uLQlqnevXOSL5bkqqJzTuDw1sCF-k3O1ctSjTM66_7XK6CQkszJfJkTTGGC3sPrlfhmE2oFuH4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=293.17\" target=\"_blank\"><u>04:53</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What if they still don’t want me or what if whomever I find didn’t even know I exist? All of those emotions can be difficult to overcome, but in some definitive moment we decide we have the strength to face whatever the truth may be and we begin the search for answers and hope for the best. We feel like knowing a little something must be better than knowing nothing at all. The journey to find just one person with a biological relation can take many forms, take a very long time and have varying results. Adoptees go online and type the facts that they know about themselves into search engines, Scour social media for clues, Add our names to reunification registries and hope for evidence of links to biological relatives through DNA tests. News of a potential clue is incredibly exciting. We ask ourselves, could this really be someone that I’m related to? Examining the evidence from different perspectives repeatedly in order to affirm or dismiss its potential to bring us one step closer.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m_nZFPifph71aT0J7uLQlqnevXOSL5bkqqJzTuDw1sCF-k3O1ctSjTM66_7XK6CQkszJfJkTTGGC3sPrlfhmE2oFuH4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=360.89\" target=\"_blank\"><u>06:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Why would you try to dismiss a clue that seems to be leading to your truth? You ask. Because we are trying to protect ourselves from heartbreak if it’s a false lead, but eventually many people who search make some kind of connection with varying success. Some adoptees are welcomed home to their family of origin with open arms by relatives that have longed for the day their child would return. Other biological family members may feel that the chapter of their life where adoption plans were made for the child’s future is closed and they aren’t receptive to adoptees stepping forward to identify themselves and others begin their search or reach success just a little too...]]></description><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m&nbsp;devoting this program dedicated to helping people placed into adoption to&nbsp;explore their own&nbsp;emotions, desires, and questions about reuniting with their biological family by asking others like us to&nbsp;tell their own true stories.&nbsp;I’m so thankful for the life that my adopted parents gave me, but&nbsp;I also had the incredibly good fortune to be reunited with my biological mother in 2009. Our story is amazing to me because our reunification unfolded in a way that I never could have predicted. However everyone’s search and discovery journey is different and we’ll share&nbsp;an array of stories in this podcast.</p><p><a href=\"#\" target=\"_blank\">Read Full Transcript</a>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m_nZFPifph71aT0J7uLQlqnevXOSL5bkqqJzTuDw1sCF-k3O1ctSjTM66_7XK6CQkszJfJkTTGGC3sPrlfhmE2oFuH4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=9.36\" target=\"_blank\"><u>00:09</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Hi, I’m Damon Davis and I’m launching a new podcast series called, Who Am I Really? I’m devoting this program to helping people placed into adoption to explore their own emotions, desires, and questions about reuniting with their biological family by asking others like us to tell their own true stories. You’re probably asking yourself who I am and why I launched this podcast. First, let me say, I grew up in a very loving home with my adoptive mother, Veronica, supported by my adoptive father, Willy they’re just mom and dad to me, and I love them dearly for everything they did, large and small. That gave me the opportunities to be the man that I am today, but I also had the incredibly good fortune to be reunited with my biological mother in 2009. Our story is amazing to me because our reunification unfolded in a way that I never could have predicted.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m_nZFPifph71aT0J7uLQlqnevXOSL5bkqqJzTuDw1sCF-k3O1ctSjTM66_7XK6CQkszJfJkTTGGC3sPrlfhmE2oFuH4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=64.55\" target=\"_blank\"><u>01:04</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;A few things happened to me that really sparked my desire to search. One of the first influences happened during a visit with my inlaws in Baltimore, Maryland. My wife’s distant aunt welcomed us into her home one day. This lovely elderly woman opened the door, greeted us, toting her small wheeled oxygen tank behind her. As we sat in her living room, she spread pictures, newspaper clippings and letters on the coffee table. She told stories about the family’s history in a way that only she could recount them as what I viewed as the unofficial family historian, but that experience made me realize that one day she would no longer be with us and if another person tried to spread the same family historical facts in the same way they could not tell the family story the way that she had. It dawned on me that when she passed away, the ability to weave the family history that she knew would be lost and I should act quickly if I didn’t want the same to happen in my biological family.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m_nZFPifph71aT0J7uLQlqnevXOSL5bkqqJzTuDw1sCF-k3O1ctSjTM66_7XK6CQkszJfJkTTGGC3sPrlfhmE2oFuH4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=127.85\" target=\"_blank\"><u>02:07</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;When I decided to launch the search, my social worker in Baltimore shared something from her experience that I hadn’t thought about before. She said that women tend to search for their family of origin sooner than men do and that men search most often after they’ve had their own children. That was me. A short time after my wife gave birth to our son, I was at home alone with him, gazing on him with sheer amazement at this little dude we had created. He laid there on his back, kicked his legs, and waved his arms and stared up at me. In that moment by ourselves, I whispered to Seth with tears in my eyes, you’re the first blood relative I have ever known. As I talked to more people about their stories of searching and discovery, I’ve learned so much about each individual and about the commonalities between of us as adoptees.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m_nZFPifph71aT0J7uLQlqnevXOSL5bkqqJzTuDw1sCF-k3O1ctSjTM66_7XK6CQkszJfJkTTGGC3sPrlfhmE2oFuH4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=180.85\" target=\"_blank\"><u>03:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;We have basic questions about how we came to be, what happened with my biological mother and father when I was conceived? Why couldn’t they take care of me themselves when I was born? What was the story of my adoption? We tried to figure it out for ourselves by imagining all kinds of scenarios for why our parents made the choice to place us into adoption. We tried to figure it out for ourselves by imagining all kinds of scenarios for why our biological parents made the choice to place us into adoption, but it’s almost impossible to form a complete picture about yourself if you don’t know your own personal history. The puzzle has too many missing pieces. I’ve learned that some adoptees live with significant doubt about how much they were truly accepted by their adoptive parents. Some question, their place in their family among biological siblings, multiple adoptees, interracial families, or a mix of religious beliefs.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m_nZFPifph71aT0J7uLQlqnevXOSL5bkqqJzTuDw1sCF-k3O1ctSjTM66_7XK6CQkszJfJkTTGGC3sPrlfhmE2oFuH4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=236.95\" target=\"_blank\"><u>03:56</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Others live well adjusted lives of doting parental love, but still feel a longing to understand their biological past like I did. Whether a child grows up well adjusted in a loving family or was reared in a less favorable home, they will likely have questions about their biological origin and those questions can vary widely. Who Do I look like? What health condition should I be aware of? Do I have siblings I don’t know about? Many times that curiosity is too much to contain. The desire for deeper understanding is too strong and we think we really should look for some answers. More often than you might think fear sets in and the questions turn to doubt that might delay a person’s search for their family of origin for years. Those doubts are expressed in concerns that might sound like I’ve had a great life, why would I expose myself to a potentially painful truth?</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m_nZFPifph71aT0J7uLQlqnevXOSL5bkqqJzTuDw1sCF-k3O1ctSjTM66_7XK6CQkszJfJkTTGGC3sPrlfhmE2oFuH4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=293.17\" target=\"_blank\"><u>04:53</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What if they still don’t want me or what if whomever I find didn’t even know I exist? All of those emotions can be difficult to overcome, but in some definitive moment we decide we have the strength to face whatever the truth may be and we begin the search for answers and hope for the best. We feel like knowing a little something must be better than knowing nothing at all. The journey to find just one person with a biological relation can take many forms, take a very long time and have varying results. Adoptees go online and type the facts that they know about themselves into search engines, Scour social media for clues, Add our names to reunification registries and hope for evidence of links to biological relatives through DNA tests. News of a potential clue is incredibly exciting. We ask ourselves, could this really be someone that I’m related to? Examining the evidence from different perspectives repeatedly in order to affirm or dismiss its potential to bring us one step closer.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m_nZFPifph71aT0J7uLQlqnevXOSL5bkqqJzTuDw1sCF-k3O1ctSjTM66_7XK6CQkszJfJkTTGGC3sPrlfhmE2oFuH4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=360.89\" target=\"_blank\"><u>06:00</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Why would you try to dismiss a clue that seems to be leading to your truth? You ask. Because we are trying to protect ourselves from heartbreak if it’s a false lead, but eventually many people who search make some kind of connection with varying success. Some adoptees are welcomed home to their family of origin with open arms by relatives that have longed for the day their child would return. Other biological family members may feel that the chapter of their life where adoption plans were made for the child’s future is closed and they aren’t receptive to adoptees stepping forward to identify themselves and others begin their search or reach success just a little too late to connect with the biological family member that has passed on. Sometimes we reach out because we just want someone to know we’re okay, to thank someone for the chance to live or to feel some kind of connection to the people who are the very reason that we’re here today.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m_nZFPifph71aT0J7uLQlqnevXOSL5bkqqJzTuDw1sCF-k3O1ctSjTM66_7XK6CQkszJfJkTTGGC3sPrlfhmE2oFuH4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=416.77\" target=\"_blank\"><u>06:56</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;At the end of my search, my wonderful social worker, Lee, called me to read my biological mother’s letter to me that she had received. She opened by introducing herself to me and I finally learned my biological mother’s name Ann Sullivan. Incredibly coincidentally, the letter told me that the very next day was Ann’s birthday. I spoke to Ann by phone that same night ,where I learned so much about where she had been and how she was feeling about us. Amazingly, I learned that we shared the same metro station during our morning commute to work and her building was only two blocks from mine in Washington DC. Knowing our offices were so close, I decided to surprise her at her office on her birthday the next day, for what she said was the best birthday gift ever. As I got to know her more, I was astonished to learn that we had lived our lives on parallel tracks. For example, in an incredible coincidence, we both attended what is now Hampton University. It turns out that school runs in the family. I was fascinated to learn that while I was growing up in Columbia, Maryland, she was living right down the road in Laurel, a short 15 minutes from one another. I’ll tell the full story another time because the details and range of emotions are extraordinary and too much for my time with you now, but I will say this, the journey to locate and connect with biological family members can be an emotional roller coaster with ups and downs, jarring twists and unexpected turns. So this podcast is intended to do two things. First to my fellow adoptees, my hope is that the stories told here will help you explore your own feelings about adoption accept your desire to try to understand your own personal history and decide for yourself whether a search to connect with biological relatives is right for you.</p><p>Damon:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https://www.temi.com/editor/t/m_nZFPifph71aT0J7uLQlqnevXOSL5bkqqJzTuDw1sCF-k3O1ctSjTM66_7XK6CQkszJfJkTTGGC3sPrlfhmE2oFuH4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=528.04\" target=\"_blank\"><u>08:48</u></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;For example, it will help you understand how others have dealt with issues related to protecting the feelings of their adopted families who may be supportive of your search or question your motives and present challenges. And for those who are not adoptees, this podcast will help you understand some of what is in the minds of your friends, family members or others who are adopted, but you didn’t know if you should ask some of the questions that will be answered here. The stories will make you smile or bring you to tears, but they’re all true as told by the people who lived them. In each one, I hope you’ll find something that inspires you, validates your feelings about wanting to search or motivates you to have the strength along your journey to learn who am I really? If you’d like to share your story of searching for and connecting with biological family members, go online to WhoAmIReallypodcast.com/share and tell me just a little bit about your journey. If you’re not quite ready to be on the show, but you just want to chat and share experiences, that’s okay too.</p><p>The post <a href=\"http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/000-welcome-to-waireally/\" target=\"_blank\">000: Welcome to Who Am I Really?</a> appeared first on <a href=\"http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com\" target=\"_blank\">Who Am I...Really? Podcast</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded><link><![CDATA[https://whoamireallypodcast.com/episode/000-welcome-to-who-am-i-really]]></link><guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whoamireallypodcast.com/?p=1374</guid><itunes:image href="https://artwork.captivate.fm/0bac6d38-0465-4a3b-abfe-def2dce4018e/waireally_podcast_logo.JPG"/><pubDate>Sat, 04 Mar 2017 10:00:00 -0400</pubDate><enclosure url="https://pdcn.co/e/podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c2be2c47-98bb-4ccf-b71f-c07169747298/wair-s01-e00-welcome-to-who-am-i-really.mp3" length="8828340" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:duration>09:12</itunes:duration><itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit><itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType><itunes:summary>Welcome to the the \&quot;Who Am I Really?\&quot; podcast. I’m devoting this program to helping people placed into adoption to explore their own emotions, desires, and questions about reuniting with their biological family by asking others like us to tell their own true stories.</itunes:summary></item></channel></rss>