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Addiction & Strongholds (with Ricky Wade)

Thu, 01 Oct 2026 06:00:00 -0700

Addiction is a diagnosis. A stronghold is something Scripture names. In this episode, Pattie Krohn and Paige Payne hold both together—naming what addiction and stronghold actually feel like from the inside, welcoming a guest who shares his own journey with addiction, and exploring why disease-based treatment alone isn't enough to bring down a fortress that only freedom, not willpower, can break.

"For the strength of addiction and strongholds, there is a Savior stronger." —Episode Anchor

In this episode:

What addiction and stronghold actually feel like from the inside—the insatiable craving, the shame, the double life
The difference between a medical diagnosis and a spiritual stronghold—and why the church needs both lenses, not just one
Guest Ricky Wade shares his own journey with addiction and what helped him find a way out
What Scripture says about the heart's drift toward strongholds—and the freedom only Christ gives
Why cognitive and medical treatment alone sees just a 3–5% long-term success rate—and what that gap reveals
Practical ways to walk alongside someone caught in addiction without giving up on them

Resources mentioned:

Addictions: A Banquet in the Grave — Edward T. Welch — available wherever books are sold
Extravagant Grace — Barbara Duguid — available wherever books are sold
CCEF Podcast, "Addictions, Part 1 & 2," Where Life and Scripture Meet — ccef.org/podcast/addictions-part-1 and ccef.org/podcast/addictions-part-2-2
3Crosses Church Care Page & Care Sheets and additional resources
Ephesians 4:18–19; Isaiah 44:20; Galatians 5:1; Luke 4:18–19 — biblegateway.com

For Further Support: If this episode surfaced an addiction or stronghold you've been carrying alone—or one someone you love is caught in—you don't have to face it alone. Consider reaching out to a trusted pastor, counselor, or a recovery-focused ministry. Getting help is not a failure of faith.

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Trauma & PTSD: Trauma Destroys, Jesus Restores (with Amalia Hernandez-Sanchez)

Thu, 17 Sep 2026 06:00:00 -0700

Trauma is not simply a bad memory or a season of difficulty. It is something that happens to the brain—something that rewires how a person experiences the present. In this episode, Pattie Krohn and Paige Payne carefully name what trauma and PTSD feel like from the inside: the hypervigilance that never turns off, the intrusive memories that enter without permission, the shame that becomes woven into identity. They explore what Scripture says about extreme suffering—and point to the One who has been in the darkest places and will go with us.

“Whom trauma threatens to destroy, Jesus seeks to restore.” —Episode Anchor

In this episode:

The four features of trauma and PTSD: hypervigilance, intrusion, constriction, and shame—and what each one feels like from the inside
Why the traumatized person is not overreacting—and what the brain is actually doing
How Scripture names victims by name and removes the shame that does not belong to them
Pattie and Paige share personally from their experience walking alongside those who have been traumatized
Guests share what it was like to be in the middle of it—and what helped
Why ‘forgive and forget’ and ‘I understand’ are never the right words—and what to say instead
What Jesus, the One most traumatized, offers to those who suffer

Resources mentioned:

Suffering and the Heart of God: How Trauma Destroys and Christ Restores — Diane Langberg — available wherever books are sold
Trauma: Caring for Survivors — Darby Strickland — available wherever books are sold
When Children Experience Trauma: Help for Parents and Caregivers — Darby Strickland — available wherever books are sold
“Trauma” — Alistair Groves, Where Life and Scripture Meet (CCEF Podcast, October 2020) — ccef.org/podcast/trauma
3Crosses Church Care Page & Care Sheets and additional resources
Psalm 91:1–2; Psalm 56:8; John 16:33; Hebrews 2:17–18; 2 Corinthians 1 — biblegateway.com
For Further Support

If this episode surfaced a trauma you have been carrying alone, you don’t have to keep carrying it that way. Trauma and PTSD benefit from professional clinical care alongside pastoral support. Consider reaching out to a licensed counselor, your pastor, or a trusted friend.

If you are experiencing persistent flashbacks, dissociation, or thoughts of self-harm, please connect with a mental health professional. You are not alone.

Eating Disorders & Self-Harm — Captivated by Captives (with Gigi Pertini)

Thu, 03 Sep 2026 06:00:00 -0700

In this episode:

What eating disorders and self-harm actually feel like from the inside — control, shame, and a war going on in the soul
The difference between disordered eating and an eating disorder, and how self-harm overlaps but stands apart
A guest shares her own story and what helped her move from managing pain alone to depending on Jesus with it
What Scripture reveals about the ancient instinct to control or punish the body — and why only Christ's blood is enough
Practical ways to enter someone's story without becoming "the enemy," and when to involve medical or professional care

Resources mentioned:

Love to Eat, Hate to Eat — Elyse Fitzpatrick — available wherever books are sold
Eating Disorders: The Quest for Thinness — Edward T. Welch — available wherever books are sold
Relief Without Cutting — Amy Baker — available wherever books are sold
"Going for Blood" — Edward T. Welch — ccef.org
3Crosses Church Care Page & Care Sheets for additional resources
Hosea 7:14; Galatians 5:1, 5:6; 1 Peter 2:24; Isaiah 53:5 — biblegateway.com

For further support:

If this episode surfaced a struggle with food or self-harm that you've been carrying alone, please reach out today — to a pastor, counselor, physician, or trusted friend. You are not too much, and this is not too much for God's care to reach.

If you or someone you love is in immediate physical danger — including a medical emergency from starvation, purging, or injury — call 911 or go to the nearest emergency room.
If self-harm or suicidal thoughts are present, call or text 988 (Suicide & Crisis Lifeline), or text HOME to 741741 (Crisis Text Line).
National Alliance for Eating Disorders Helpline: 1-866-662-1235 | allianceforeatingdisorders.com

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People Pleasing & Codependency: Free to Love (with Larry Vold)

Thu, 20 Aug 2026 06:00:00 -0700

In this episode:

Why people-pleasing is not the same as love—and what makes it so hard to tell the difference
The three ways people become too large in the people-pleaser’s world: as judge, provider, and master
Why the solution is not better self-esteem or firmer limits—but the fear of God
Pattie and Paige share personally from their own experiences with approval-seeking
Guests share what it felt like to organize life around someone else’s reaction—and what it cost
What it looks like to walk alongside a people-pleaser without shaming them or rushing them toward quick fixes
How Jesus—warm, relational, and fiercely free—shows us what genuine love looks like

Resources mentioned:

When People Are Big and God Is Small — Edward T. Welch — available wherever books are sold
What Do You Think of Me? Why Do I Care? — Edward T. Welch (Teen Edition) — available wherever books are sold
Good Boundaries and Goodbyes — Lysa TerKeurst — available wherever books are sold
The Emotionally Destructive Relationships — Leslie Vernick — available wherever books are sold
3Crosses Church Care Page & Care Sheets and additional resources
Proverbs 29:25; John 2:24–25; Mark 1:11; Romans 8:1; Psalm 16:1–3 — biblegateway.com

For Further Support:

If this episode surfaced something you’ve been managing alone—an exhaustion from keeping everyone happy, a loss of your own voice or sense of self—you don’t have to keep carrying it that way.

Please reach out to a trusted friend, pastor, or counselor.

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Abuse & Victimization: Captivated by Captives (with Jaylin Dempsey)

Thu, 06 Aug 2026 06:00:00 -0700

The best counsel skilled therapists give to those who want to help survivors of abuse: do no harm. In this episode, Pattie Krohn and Paige Payne start there—with what survivors themselves want us to know. They name what abuse and victimization actually feel like from the inside, distinguish between the two with care, and explore what God says about those who have been harmed by the power of another. They point to Jesus—the One who entered oppression to free the oppressed—and to the compassionate, clear, and comforting care that follows His example.

“Captivated by captives—Jesus entered into oppression to free the oppressed.” —Episode Anchor

In this episode:

The difference between abuse and victimization—and why the distinction shapes how we respond
What abuse and victimization feel like from the inside: the shame, the confusion, the physical weight, the ‘honeymoon cycle’ that keeps people stuck
Pattie shares from her experience at a counseling center specializing in traumatized missionaries—and the counsel that shaped her care
Guests share what it was like to name what was happening—and what helped them find their voice
What the Bible says about victims, perpetrators, and the God who distinguishes between them
Three movements of care: compassion, clarity, and comfort
Why the moment of leaving an abusive situation is the most dangerous—and what caregivers need to know

Resources mentioned:

Domestic Abuse — Darby Strickland — available wherever books are sold
Innocence Lost: Rebuilding After Victimization — David Powlison — available wherever books are sold
The Emotionally Destructive Marriage — Leslie Vernick — available at leslievernick.com and wherever books are sold
On the Threshold of Hope — Diane Langberg — available wherever books are sold
3Crosses Church Care Page & Care Sheets and additional resources
Luke 4:18–19; Psalm 55:6–7; Psalm 56:8; Ezekiel 34:12, 22; Philippians 2:7–8; Hebrews 13:5 — biblegateway.com

If You Are in Danger

National Domestic Violence Hotline: 1-800-799-7233 | Text START to 88788 | thehotline.org

Childhelp National Child Abuse Hotline: 1-800-422-4453

If you are in immediate danger, call 911. You do not have to figure this out alone—please reach out

If Someone You Know is in Danger

If someone discloses active abuse or is in immediate danger: ask directly, ‘Are you safe right now?’ If there is immediate danger, call 911.
National Domestic Violence Hotline: 1-800-799-7233 | Text START to 88788 | thehotline.org
Childhelp National Child Abuse Hotline: 1-800-422-4453

Abuse cases require professional and legal support alongside pastoral care. Connect with a pastor, licensed counselor, and where relevant, legal authorities. Do not carry this alone—and do not let others carry it alone.

For Further Support

If this episode surfaced wounds you have been carrying—whether recent or long ago—you are not alone. What was done to you was not your fault. Healing is possible, and it begins with speaking to someone safe. Consider reaching out to a trusted pastor, licensed counselor, or one of the resources above. Asking for help is not weakness. It is one of the bravest things a person can do.

Loneliness & Isolation — Unseen Presence (with Myah & Tracey Pitter)

Thu, 23 Jul 2026 06:00:00 -0700

Loneliness is one of the most widespread and least talked-about experiences of our time. Nearly a third of adults feel lonely at least once a week — and yet the shame of it keeps most people silent. In this episode, Pattie Krohn and Paige Payne name what loneliness actually feels like from the inside, welcome guests who share their own seasons of painful isolation, and explore what it looks like to walk alongside someone who feels invisible — without rushing toward solutions or pointing them to a program.

"No one has greater love than this: to lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends." — John 15:13

In this episode:

The difference between aloneness, isolation, solitude, and loneliness — and why it matters
Why loneliness is not a design flaw — and what God said before the Fall
Pattie and Paige share personally from their own experiences of loneliness
Guests share what it felt like to be in a lonely season — and what helped
What it looks like to show up for someone who is lonely without trying to fix it

Resources mentioned:

Tori Comes Out of Her Shell: When You Are Lonely — Jayne V. Clark — available wherever books are sold
The Company We Keep: In Search of Biblical Friendship — Jonathan Holmes — available wherever books are sold
3Crosses Church Care Page & Care Sheets and additional resources
Genesis 2:18; John 15:13; John 11:35; Psalm 34:18 — biblegateway.com

For further support: If this episode surfaced a loneliness you've been carrying alone, you don't have to keep carrying it that way. Consider reaching out to a trusted friend, pastor, or counselor. Asking for connection is not weakness — it is wisdom.

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Unhealthy Relationships & Boundaries — Wise Love (with Pauleen Larcina)

Thu, 09 Jul 2026 06:00:00 -0700

Almost everyone is navigating at least one hard relationship. But not every hard relationship is the same — and knowing the difference changes everything. In this episode, Pattie Krohn and Paige Payne reframe the conversation from boundaries to wise love, welcome a guest who shares their personal journey through a difficult relationship, and explore what it looks like to walk alongside someone who is exhausted, confused, and unsure whether they are the problem.

"Let love be without hypocrisy. Detest evil; cling to what is good. Love one another deeply as brothers and sisters." — Romans 12:9–10

In this episode:

The difference between a disappointing, difficult, and destructive relationship, and why the distinction matters
What it feels like from the inside — the exhaustion, the shame, the spiritual confusion
Pattie and Paige share personally from their own experiences of unhealthy relationships
A guest opens up about what wise love required of them — and what it cost
How to walk alongside someone in a hard relationship without handing them a formula

Resources mentioned:

Emotionally Destructive Relationships — Leslie Vernick — available wherever books are sold
When People Are Big and God Is Small — Edward T. Welch — available wherever books are sold
Relationships: A Mess Worth Making — Timothy Lane & Paul David Tripp — available wherever books are sold
3Crosses Church Care Page & Care Sheets and additional resources
Romans 12:9–10; John 2:24–25; John 13:1–17 — biblegateway.com

For further support: If you are in a relationship where there is physical danger, do not walk away from this alone. Reach out for help today.

National Domestic Violence Hotline: 1-800-799-7233
Text START to 88788
If there is immediate danger, call 911

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Conflict & Anger — Darkness and Light (with Devon Rice)

Thu, 25 Jun 2026 06:00:00 -0700

Anger is not what we are — it is a language of the heart. And conflict is the ground anger grows in. In this episode, Pattie Krohn and Paige Payne get honest about their own experiences with anger, welcome a guest who shares their personal story, and explore what it looks like to walk alongside someone locked in conflict — without rushing to fix, without taking sides, and without looking away.

"Be angry and do not sin. Don't let the sun go down on your anger, and don't give the devil an opportunity." — Ephesians 4:26–27

In this episode:

What anger actually feels like: the hot side, the cold side, and the confused middle
Why anger itself is not a sin, but how the Fall corrupts it into something destructive
Pattie and Paige share personally from their own experiences of anger and conflict
A guest shares their story of walking through conflict and what shifted
Practical ways to walk alongside someone in anger without being swept into it

Resources mentioned:

Good and Angry — David Powlison — available wherever books are sold
Resolving Everyday Conflicts — Ken Sande — available wherever books are sold
CCEF Podcast: "Anger" — Ed Welch and Myriam Hertzog — ccef.org/podcast
3Crosses Church Care Page & Care Sheets and additional resources
Ephesians 4:26–27; Exodus 34:6; Titus 3:3–5; Psalm 4 — biblegateway.com

For further support: If conflict or anger is causing real harm in your relationships, you don't have to navigate it alone. Consider reaching out to a trusted pastor, counselor, or friend. If anger has become dangerous — involving threats or violence — please contact appropriate authorities or a licensed counselor immediately.

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Loss, Grief & the God Who Weeps With Us (with Danny Strange)

Thu, 11 Jun 2026 08:00:00 -0700

Grief is not a problem to be solved but an honest journey; a human response to love and loss — and it matters deeply to God. In this episode, Pattie Krohn and Paige Payne share from their own experiences of grief, welcome guests who open up about profound loss, and explore what it looks like to stay with someone who is mourning — without minimizing, without rushing, and without looking away.

"Jesus wept." — John 11:35

In this episode:

What grief actually feels like — including the unwitnessed losses others don't always name
Pattie and Paige share personally from their own stories of loss
Guests share their experience of profound grief and what helped them carry it
Why lament is one of the most profound expressions of faith — not a failure of it
Practical ways to show up for someone in grief long after others have moved on

Resources mentioned:

A Grief Observed — C.S. Lewis — available wherever books are sold
A Prayer in the Night — Tish Harrison Warren — available wherever books are sold
Grief: Finding Hope Again — Paul David Tripp — available wherever books are sold
3Crosses Church Care Page & Care Sheets and additional resources
Psalm 22; Psalm 56:8; Psalm 88; John 11:35; Romans 8:18–26; Revelation 21:4; 1 Thessalonians 4:13 —biblegateway.com

For Further Support:

If this episode surfaced grief you've been carrying alone — old or new, consider reaching out to a trusted friend, pastor, or licensed counselor. Walking with someone through grief is not a handoff. Getting support is not a failure of faith.

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In the Darkness — Depression & Suicidal Ideation (with Lindsey & Ryan Glueckert)

Thu, 28 May 2026 06:00:00 -0700

A note before you listen: this episode covers depression and suicidal ideation honestly and directly. If you are in a vulnerable place, please listen with someone you trust nearby.

Depression is not merely sadness. It is something darker and more stubborn — a fierce darkness that touches the body, the mind, relationships, and the soul. In this episode, Pattie Krohn and Paige Payne name what depression actually feels like from the inside, welcome a guest who shares their own story of walking through it, and explore what it looks like to stay with someone in the darkness — without panic, without platitudes, and without looking away.

"Into the fierce darkness of depression comes the piercing light of the world."

In this episode:

What depression actually feels like — and why it is not a thinking problem or a faith problem
What Scripture shows us about depression through the lives of Moses, Elijah, David, and Jesus
A guest shares their personal story of depression and what helped them carry it
How to walk alongside someone in depression — including how to ask directly about suicidal thoughts
Practical guidance on what to do if someone you love is in crisis

Resources mentioned:

Depression: Looking Up from the Stubborn Darkness — Edward T. Welch — available wherever books are sold
Spurgeon's Sorrows — Zack Eswine — available wherever books are sold
Descriptions and Prescriptions: A Biblical Perspective on Diagnosis and Medications — Mike Emlet — available wherever books are sold
“Is Suicide an Unforgivable Sin?” –Derek Thomas, Ligonier Ministries, https://learn.ligonier.org/qas/is-suicide-an-unforgiveable-sin
3Crosses Church Care Page & Care Sheets and additional resources
Psalm 22; Psalm 31; Psalm 88; Matthew 26:36–46 — biblegateway.com

If you or someone you love is in crisis:

Asking about suicide does not plant the idea — it is an act of love. If someone you know is in danger, do not walk away.

988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline — call or text 988 (save this number in your phone)
Crisis Text Line — text HOME to 741741 (mental health crisis support)
If there is immediate danger, call 911 and stay with them until help arrives

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Guilt, Shame & the God Who Clothes Us (with Nash Manker)

Thu, 14 May 2026 06:00:00 -0700

Guilt says I did something wrong. Shame says I am something wrong. They feel different, work differently, and need to be heard differently — and both are far more common than we talk about. In this episode, Pattie Krohn and Paige Payne get personal about what guilt and shame have felt like in their own lives, welcome a guest who shares their own story, and explore what it looks like to walk alongside someone carrying weight they haven't been able to say out loud — to anyone.

"Those who look to him are radiant with joy; their faces will never be ashamed." — Psalm 34:5

In this episode:

The difference between guilt and shame — and why it matters
Pattie and Paige share honestly from their own experiences of both
A guest opens up about carrying guilt and shame and what shifted
What Scripture says about God's movement toward the guilty and ashamed
How to walk alongside someone in either place without trying to fix or minimize

Resources mentioned:

Shame Interrupted — Edward T. Welch — available wherever books are sold
I Just Can't Forgive Myself — Robert D. Jones (booklet) — ccef.org
3Crosses Church Care Page & Care Sheets and additional resources.
Psalm 34:4–5; Romans 5:8; Isaiah 30:15; Luke 15; John 13:1–17; Ephesians 4:15–16 — biblegateway.com

For further support:

If this episode stirred something you've been carrying alone, you don't have to keep carrying it that way. Consider reaching out to a trusted pastor, counselor, or friend. Getting help is not a failure of faith.

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Fear, Anxiety & the God Who Draws Near (with Ryan Suzuki)

Thu, 30 Apr 2026 06:00:00 -0700

Fear and anxiety are not necessarily signs of weak faith — they are often honest responses to living in a world that is uncertain and out of our control. In this episode, Pattie Krohn and Paige Payne get honest about their own experiences with anxiety, welcome a guest who shares their personal story, and explore what it looks like to walk alongside someone caught in fear's grip — without fixing, without rushing, and without shame.

"When anxiety was great within me, your consolation brought me joy." — Psalm 94:19

In this episode:

What fear and anxiety actually feel like — and why they're not the same thing
Pattie and Paige share from their own experiences of anxiety
A guest shares their personal story of living with anxiety and what helped
What God says to the anxious — and why it's not "just stop"
Practical ways to walk alongside someone in fear without trying to fix them

Resources mentioned:

The Anxiety Opportunity: How Worry Is the Doorway to Your Best Self by Curtis Change — available wherever books are sold
Running Scared: Fear, Anxiety and the God who Cares by Edward T. Welch — available wherever books are sold
3Crosses Church Care Page & Care Sheets for additional resources
Philippians 4:5–6; Psalm 94:18–19; Psalm 145:18; Matthew 6:25–34; Philippians 4:19; Mark 14:32–36 (Garden of Gethsemane) — biblegateway.com

For further support:

If you are suffering from fear or anxiety, you don't have to carry it alone. Consider reaching out to a trusted friend, pastor, licensed counselor and/or physician. If anxiety is severe or persistent, widening the circle of care is not a failure of faith — it's wisdom.

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Suffering & Life in a Broken World

Thu, 16 Apr 2026 06:00:00 -0700

No one escapes suffering — and, yet, if we are honest, we are surprised when it happens to us. In this opening episode, Pattie Krohn and Paige Payne share from their own broken places: a child's devastating diagnosis, years of recurrent pregnancy loss, and the long, dark seasons that followed. They explore what it means to receive care in the middle of real pain, what it looks like to offer it to others, and why showing up — without answers, without fixing — is itself a form of holy work.

"The LORD is near to the brokenhearted and saves the crushed in spirit." — Psalm 34:18

In this episode:

Pattie and Paige share personally from their own experiences of suffering
What helped most — and what didn't — when others walked alongside them
Practical ways to show up for someone in pain when you don't know what to say
How God meets us in broken places — and uses our suffering to shape us for others

Resources mentioned:

Sermon: “The Birth and Death of Suffering,” Tyler Staton, Bridgetown Church, Portland https://vimeo.com/685974243
Article: “Exalting Pain? Ignoring Pain? What Do We Do with Suffering?” Edward T. Welch https://www.ccef.org/jbc-article/exalting-pain-ignoring-pain-what-do-we-do-with-suffering/
God’s Grace in Your Suffering by David Powlison — available wherever books are sold
Walking with God through Pain and Suffering by Timothy Keller — available wherever books are sold
Suffering and the Heart of God, Diane Langberg — available wherever books are sold
3Crosses Church Care Page & Care Sheets for additional resources.
Psalm 34:18; Psalm 46; Job 19:25; 2 Corinthians 1:3–4; Romans 8:26 — biblegateway.com

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