a0ca74ce-f1da-51ab-96fa-c76cab45c942Fri, 12 Dec 2025 21:30:00 +0000Captivate.fmWord of The Witnesses: 12 Monkeys Rewatch Podcasthttps://artwork.captivate.fm/9284a5d5-0ccb-4f96-8323-0e343b398b63/avatars-000704907316-wgeydj-original.jpgWord of The Witnesses: 12 Monkeys Rewatch PodcastWord of The Witnesses: 12 Monkeys Rewatch PodcastWelcome to our 12 Monkeys REWATCH podcast, featuring The Witnesses! CC and Beep will cover all aspects of the series from the end to the beginning. It's all SPOILERS all the time!! Plus, our sci-fi loving friends are coming along to co-host. Contact us by email at WordoftheWitnesses@gmail.com for listener feedback. See you soon...https://streaming-banshees-network21.captivate.fm/trueepisodichttps://feeds.captivate.fm/word-of-the-witnesses-12-monkeys/nopodcastEthereal Clunk - 12 Monkeys 1.01tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/519781401Thu, 25 Oct 2018 16:58:01 -050002:00:13falsefullIn the inaugural episode, BP, CC & special guest, Jen discuss a deep dive rewatch of Episode 1.01 “Splinter” & why 12 Monkeys is one of the greatest television series of all time. Spoilers abound! Hello! We are CC & BP and we will be your hosts 10:22 Why Katarina Jones is the best 17:52 Where we stand on the Red Forest 19:52 Why 12 Monkeys is one of the all time great television shows 46:52 Favorite costuming era 51:34 Ep 1.01 “Splinter” discussion 1:58:32 Listener Feedback Discussion of the weekFavorite Moments - Minisodetag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/523365942Thu, 01 Nov 2018 19:15:30 -050001:17:24falsefullSPOILERS!!!! Well, this didn't turn out so mini after all. We had a ton of tremendous feedback about your favorite moments from 12 Monkeys. Listen in to get to know a little about some other fans and the moments they were most affected by.Mentally Complex - 12 Monkeys 1.02 - 1.04tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/526431372Thu, 08 Nov 2018 11:00:18 -050001:53:18falsefullJoin CC, Beep, and special guest Bubs as we cover 12 Monkeys episodes 1.02-1.04. There’s plenty of laughter and blown minds in this one. (You should hear the black holes we cut!) ANNOUNCEMENT: Terry Matalas is coming on the pod! 02:30 - Guest Panelist Bubs enters our gauntlet of feels, answering questions regarding her favorite things about 12 Monkeys 16:30 - Thank you to David Grossman for amazing tv! 17:45 - Mentally Divergent Fun with easter eggs! JENNIFER! Why is the Pallid Man so very creepy? Casserole feels Cole & Jones 59:45 - Cassandra Complex Cassie’s burden One v the many Hello, Deacon! 1:22:00 - Atari The Game Go/Atari Worldbuilding & West VII! Deacon as an antagonist Ramse & Deacon’s tug of war for Cole’s soul Red tea visions! Ramse’s moral POV journey West VII: ride or die LOL Never kill the dog! 1:49:00 “Witness” Marks on a Clock: the sound of our minds being blownCountdown to Calm - 12 Monkeys 1.05tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/530246055Thu, 15 Nov 2018 11:37:35 -050001:51:50falsefullCC, Beep, and special guest Jen have a lot of brain breaking thoughts, feels, and laughs about 12 Monkeys 1.05, The Night Room. Announcements Holy cow, Terry Matalas & Todd Stashwick are coming on to answer your questions! [incoherent screaming] 8:30 - Getting to Know Dr. Jones Happy hour with the boss The importance of conversation on 12 Monkeys Jones vs. Ramse’s moral debate Jones’s room as a metaphor for Jones Utilitarian dilemmas 55:00 - The Night Room! The layers now that we know what we know! AGH! The case for The Pallid Man The Cassie/Cole/The Pallid Man conversation now makes our brains hurt Cole’s journey of self-forgiveness Oh Season 1 Cassie, you sweet summer child “Who’s this bitch?” So many Jennifers Clues to the primary mythology The First Rule of Being Goines Listener challenge: Can you explain how Olivia is the origin of the virus better than we can lol? 1:49:30 - Upcoming EpisodesTerry Matalas Interviewtag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/532143114Mon, 19 Nov 2018 11:09:30 -050001:33:45falsefullYou asked and he answered! Join CC & Beep as we spend an hour and a half with Mr. Terry Matalas, co-creator and showrunner of 12 Monkeys.Sean Tretta Interviewtag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/536808360Wed, 28 Nov 2018 17:31:37 -050001:44:39falsefullJoin CC & Beep as we pick the brain of Sean Tretta, 12 Monkeys writer and producer who blessed us with eps like Lullaby, Blood Washed Away, Thief, and Demons. As always, full series SPOILERS abound. Beware. You may be convinced of something unexpected by the end. You're walking through a red forest... the grass is tall...Herr Frankenstein - 12 Monkeys 1.06-1.07tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/540467718Thu, 06 Dec 2018 12:00:17 -050002:14:45falsefullCC & Beep are joined by Erin, our friend who happens to be a literature professor. We had a lot of thoughts on the thematic elements of Frankenstein, how every character is reminiscent of the creature in some way, and also love wolves. Time Stamps 5:10 Guest panelist Erin enters the gauntlet: the great red forest query & time as a character 31:05 “Herr Frankenstein”? But first, Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein is not the pop culture version 46:41 Parallels between 12 Monkeys & Frankenstein: the mad scientist, creatures outside of the natural order, isolation, nature vs. nurture, and feeding the two wolves 66:44 1:06 The Red Forest Visions as memories of tomorrow Time is going to take what is owed The most awkward road trip ever Casserole: moral ships passing in the night Well hello, striking woman The many, many meanings of the red forest/the house of cedar & pine 101:12 1:07 The Keys The series is established as one giant feels attack Foreshadowing Blood Washed Away The power of romantic tropes A Frankenstein of Tandoori Chicken Cole’s senses coming alive Death & the importance of now Mythology building: Druse & the custodians of time Wexler as a foil for Cole The Keys & “a better version” of Cole Aaron Marker: come on, he’s not that bad?Todd Stashwick Interviewtag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/544067496Thu, 13 Dec 2018 11:00:15 -050001:45:11falsefullDon't you.... forget about DEACON! We had the privilege of speaking with Mr. Todd Stashwick about his dramatic exit and re-entry as the culmination of one of the coolest character arcs ever. This man loves Theodore Deacon as much as we do and it was a delight to spend time with him talking 12 Monkeys and general geekery.Today Is Tomorrow's Yesterday - 12 Monkeys 1.08-1.09tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/547035153Thu, 20 Dec 2018 11:00:05 -050002:03:01falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Erin to discuss 1.08 “Yesterday” & 1.09 “Tomorrow.” 5:50 Episode rewatch pairing recs to maximize insight (and pain) 9:55 So many yesterdays & tomorrows: same place, different time 10:53 1:08 Yesterday Parallels to Mansfield Park Duped for the first time...and definitely not the last Ok fine, Aaron Marker is an awesome boyfriend...for now Ramse & protecting the people he loves Sons are fated to their fathers Your view on Ramse’s arc may depend on your real world life experience Are Foster & Jones really that different than Deacon? The great Jones vs. Foster moral debate: philosophical conundrum, personal motivations...and dick measuring contest Leaders, lies & utopias premised on sin Jones knows what Jones knows! Relying on “fate” for absolution 1:16:55 1.09 Tomorrow Lofty ideals vs. personal stakes Cassiopeia & Andromeda Shakespeare’s Sonnet 19: time as an enemy A general and lieutenant of two men “So what? Some chick said my name.” The tragic bromance of Ramse & Cole 1001 reasons why the CDC scene is epically tragic & 12 Monkeys is a masterpiece (you may need to adjust your volume) The future always lies with daughtersDear Traveler - 12 Monkeys 1.10-1.11tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/551622831Tue, 01 Jan 2019 11:00:05 -050002:33:03falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Selina Wilken from Hypable to discuss 1.10 “Divine Moves” & 1.11 “Shonin” Selina enters the gauntlet of questions Why 12 Monkeys is so special Activate #TeamRamse! Social media’s impact on how we watch tv Red Forest spiral 1.10 Divine Move What is a “divine move”? What we do for the people that we love Jones vs. Ramse: are they really that different? Ramse’s moral compass Culpability & fate Ramse’s POV sets 12 Monkeys apart Not the date night Aaron was hoping for Casserole: “You’re alive” vs. “So are you” Unacceptable losses Remembrance of Things Past We’d get drunk too, Cassie Don’t Fear the Reaper Cassie & Cole: subverting traditional emotional gender roles on tv Hello Old Jennifer!!! “Someone someday will judge us…’ 1.11 Shonin Possible meanings of “Shonin” That thing in a box Dear Traveler Ave Verum Corpus Another daughter in a box CLIMB THE STEPS RING THE BELL Water & rebirth This is not the mother daughter moment that we ordered Jennifer & Olivia: two daughters in need of a purpose Our children “make us” “My last breath will be here.”She Was Watching - 12 Monkeys 1.12tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/551645409Thu, 10 Jan 2019 11:00:05 -050002:03:10falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Meagan to discuss 1.12 “Paradox”. Meagan enters the gauntlet of questions Embracing life’s mysteries High concepts grounded in character & emotional catharsis Finding hope in love An ode to Cassie 1.12 Paradox Jones: science as armor Speaking of paradoxes, hello messengers! It’s the heart that sustains us Dr. Jones, meet Dr. Railly Cassie & agency Evolution takes many forms “I had two mothers” Jennifer uncaged Jennifer & Cassie: evolving identities Cassie & Jones: intersecting journeys of motherhood On this show even a garage is emotional Family roll call #1 The family motto Look into his eyes Memories & the meaning that we give them Family roll call #2 The outline for “One Minute More” Signposts for Cole’s character arc What the Pallid Man & Cole have in common Time Jesus! Recontextualizing the past Casserole: the perfect pacing of a slowburnWhoopsiedoodle! Amanda Schull & Terry Matalas Interviewtag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/562128162Mon, 21 Jan 2019 11:00:25 -050002:04:33falsefullAmanda Schull & Terry Matalas join us to discuss the season 1 finale and Cassie's series long journey.Welcome to the Future, Dr. Railly - 12 Monkeys 1.13 - 2.01tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/566882199Thu, 31 Jan 2019 11:00:05 -050002:56:39falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Meagan to discuss 1.13 “These Arms of Mine” & 2.01 “Year of the Monkey” 1.13 These Arms of Mine Fate vs. Free will Pour one out for Aaron Marker Cassie vs. Cole POV debate #1 Foreshadowing the Casserole emotional divide Easter eggs! Jennifer’s first performance Cassie, Jennifer, and... unicorns Olivia & Ramse Hello Dr. Elliott Jones! Green to red The idea of “home” Your one vs. my one Jones has zero f*cks to give Cassie vs. Cole POV debate #2 Ramse & the consequences of not being the protagonist A slightly enthusiastic celebration of an epic romantic moment Time travel as a heightened exploration of relationships There’s nothing more powerful than fate Welcome to the future, Dr. Railly 2.01 Year of the Monkey Season 2 gets right what so much of tv gets wrong A masterful slow burn romance An exceptional execution of a time jump A primary fairytale that begins at the end An epic start to an epic season Olivia’s crumbling faith Mr. Bates pulls one over on us We depend on mother nature and she depends on us Becoming a better man The bromance reconciles, for now Red Forest foreshadowing Grieving who we were only gets in the way of who we need to become Hello, Mantis! Cassie & the terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day The Theodore Deacon guide to surviving the post apocalypse Chasing White Rabbits: 12 Monkeys & Alice in Wonderland Jennifer is tragically shackled by her adopted purpose Saving a life: a more hopeful take on post-apocalyptic drama The Jennifer & Cole mentorship ouroboros & choice Cassie vs. Cole POV Debate #3 Casserole is a rare exploration of what happens “after”Down the Rabbit Hole - Minisodetag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/570790407Thu, 07 Feb 2019 11:00:05 -050001:06:14falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Alisha to discuss the parallels between 12 Monkeys and Lewis Carroll’s Alice in Wonderland & Through the Looking Glass A critique of “new” math & time as a fourth dimension Circular stories with no end or beginning What happens when time is missing? A forever tea party in chaos Riddle me this Caterpillars & butterflies Alice doesn’t “fit” in the Wonderland Time & memory Life is But a DreamNot Every Caterpillar Becomes a Butterfly - 12 Monkeys 2.02tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/573988107Thu, 14 Feb 2019 11:00:05 -050002:36:26falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Alisha to discuss 2.02 “Primary” Everything changes, Cole: both time & characters “Our fates are intertwined” Otis Redding & the monologue redux The metamorphosis of “not every caterpillar becomes a butterfly” The rooftop: a series of intertwined choices The most awkward car ride ever Debate Club #1: the proposed execution of Ramse & Jennifer You forgot the mission: philosophical & personal conflict Debate Club #2: Cassie & Jones choose to abandon Cole The reappearance of lost sons & daughters Ramse remembers the Art of War The ever evolving story of Theodore William Deacon Cassie & Deacon: did you ship it? I’m sorry you weren’t a part of my reality Daughters who raised a daughter Primaries & the desperation to stop the noise Many acts of mercy Being single isn’t the end of the world...but you two together is Home is 607 I found my purpose So much is different What I am is because of me Saving someone made the differenceGetting Used to the New Normal - 12 Monkeys 2.03tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/578706057Thu, 21 Feb 2019 11:00:15 -050001:59:02falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Crystal to discuss 2.03 “One Hundred Years” 02:15 Crystal enters the gauntlet 08:25 2.03 One Hundred Years We’re traveling to the past! And damn this show looks good 100 years, gas masks & record players Getting Used to the New Normal All the reasons why Cassie really does not want to “take a ride” Let’s acknowledge that James Cole actually came up with a plan A few minutes vs. two months This James Cole is smooth as heck…. ...but yeah Cole, she is still mad What the photograph represented to Cassie vs. Cole Hello Agent Gale! We forgot that we didn’t love you at first! Loops within the loop Mantis: mythology building & a familiar flair for the dramatic The fervor of the cult of the 12 Monkeys The many layers to the Casserole argument & how it sets this show apart Guess who else can’t “do what needs to be done”? Tommy Crawford & building the mythology of primaries Mantis & Tommy: Casserole celebrity sighting! Listening to the primaries now that we know the puzzle from above The burden that primaries bear Tommy, Old Jennifer, Mantis & free will Debate club: Ramse’s Almost Execution WWII Columbia University & The War Bureau of Consultants “The Liberty Bell March” easter egg “Libet’s Delay”: time, memory & free will A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s CourtWells Actually - 12 Monkeys 2.04tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/578722476Thu, 28 Feb 2019 11:00:06 -050002:07:42falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Erin to discuss 2.04 “Emergence” Please indulge our mini-rant at network television The many meanings of emergence Cycles of mercy & retribution Pour one out for Ramse’s other nut Faith, reason & relationships We are all Old Jennifer now The red tea is explained An Ode to Dr. Eckland: a chicken & egg story of intimacy Explorers & finding freedom in being wrong Break on through to the other side The visions, the series finale & the great red forest debate The 1944 loop & free will I Should Not Be Seeing You “A child is something I cannot have” Overlapping cycles of parenthood Questions about the 1971 death of Mantis Olivia, The Pallid Man & faith Cassie, Ramse & Cole: loyalty, vengeance & forgiveness “I want to help….Maybe one day.” Agent Gale is a midcentury Fox Mulder Cole’s emergence as a hopeful leader Jennifer’s journey to find a purpose Wells actuallyRoadtrippin' - 12 Monkeys 2.05tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/585034644Thu, 07 Mar 2019 11:00:08 -050002:49:50falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Aimee to discuss 2.05 “Bodies of Water” Aimee enters the gauntlet, to be continued…. Roadtrips with snacks...and without snacks Future Olivia & Future Jennifer set this day in motion Bodies & water The many layers to Old Jennifer & Cole meeting This what happens when you play God and you don’t know your lines The magical comedy of jealousy Debate club: Deacon’s proposed execution Boys’ road trip! Weapons grade irony The epic return of Deacon Aimee’s Ode to Tom Noonan Witness Olivia & Old Jennifer are playing three dimensional chess Jennifer playing the role of the idealized independent woman Girls’ road trip! Medication, fictional primaries & real world mental illness Olivia co-opted Jennifer’s childhood trauma “Maybe that crazy can help save the world” Casa de Childhood Trauma & the drawings Daughters without mothers The evolving significance of the Word of the Witness Pivotal turning points for Jennifer & Olivia The Pallid Man’s moment of triumph is the beginning of his downfall… ...and the rise of Olivia the Witness This day is a story about corrected emotional experiences of trauma Casserole: important moments for a romantic slow burn Cole is a different kind of sci fi “hero” Symbolic steps forwardNever Meet Your Heroes - 12 Monkeys 2.06tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/585488871Thu, 14 Mar 2019 10:00:08 -050002:12:29falsefullBeep & CC are joined by “May We Geek Again” co-host Jo to discuss Episode 2.06 “Immortal” Jo enters the gauntlet How film & television influence our perception of historical eras This episode looks like a 1970s film The many meanings of “Immortal” Cole “Coles” so hard at hide & seek How children view morality We are set up to believe Kyle Slade Moral choices & partiality 1970s films & disillusionment 12 Monkeys: a series of portraits of New York City Welcome to Fear City: NYC during the Summer of 1975 The rise of serial killers during the 1970s Kyle Slade wants to be the hero of this story Pancakes are delicious! Oh, Victoria “You’re about to father a child & change the course of history” The perfect moral quandary for Ramse & Cole A moral dilemma loop The ethics of being a bystander This episode is a study in what factors affect moral choices Detective Damato sure isn’t Agent Gale Cole “Coles” so hard again Your life is not your own anymore Kyle Slade: true & false Olivia delivers the opening argument in favor of the red forest… …and Shaw will deliver the closing argument Cassie & epic foreshadowing “He made it sound almost beautiful.” “Death is everything.” The ebb & flow of Cassie & Jennifer’s friendshipAngst & Entrails - 12 Monkeys 2.07tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/598904841Mon, 01 Apr 2019 10:00:32 -050002:13:28falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Bubs to discuss Episode 2.07 “Meltdown” Send us your “Lullaby” thoughts! The return of red forest truther Bubs We heart bottle episodes Haunted by the past, literally Horror grounded in science The power of love Reconsidering Time’s role in this episode Olivia’s three dimensional chess breaks our brains It’s all about the climb “Moving Train” This is how you make TV deaths hurt “Where did he go?” Welp. SEXY TIMES! “I like to correct my past mistakes” Red tea & Titan foreshadowing Casserole shipfest #1: jealousy Casserole shipfest #2: “I guess we don’t really know each other anymore” ENTRAILS! The red tea visions & Cassie’s burden Casserole shipfest #3: Wait, MY face? The sociopath & the pacifist Two men doing crazy things for love “You did once and that can’t be erased” “Cole doesn’t have it in him and neither do I.” Cole & Season 4 Olivia have a chat The house of cedar & pine: inside one prison & staring at another... TITAN! Olivia sets the bait Casserole (disconcerting!) shipfest #4: “I know you and you would never let me die” Ramse & Jones: united by grief for their lost children Jones & Cassie: the perfect setup for “Lullaby” The mystery of SamI'm In a Reboot! - 12 Monkeys 2.08tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/604155708Thu, 11 Apr 2019 10:00:44 -050003:01:22falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Jen to discuss 2.08 “Lullaby” Welcome to one of the greatest episodes of tv ever An ode to Groundhog Day stories Free will vs. fate We now have 20/20 vision Brain burner #1: Why can’t this plan work? Faith vs. reason “A moment of happiness” The circle of the Jones family saga Holding her dead little hand Brahm’s Lullaby The “undiscovered country” beckons “The answer, Mr. Cole, has been in front us the entire time” Seven rounds of boom, birds, Taps Brain burner #2: What does 2020 Jennifer know & why? “Causality’s Fool” The return of Cassie the healer Fireside chat: faith, reason & foreshadowing “The only world I ever gave a damn about was the one with you in it” Casserole: emotional ships passing in the night Brain burner #3: Who is the real puzzlemaker? “Time is on our side?” The perfect set up for an emotional deluge [This is when we flail about the Hannah scene for a hundred reasons] Parents, children & lost time “I’d rather have that moment...” vs. “It’s the losing that haunts us” Team Revenge Assemble!Lullaby Feedback - Minisodetag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/607483998Thu, 18 Apr 2019 10:00:24 -050001:50:56falsefullIn this special not so minisode, CC & Beep read and discuss listener feedback for 12 Monkeys 2.08 "Lullaby." Good luck listening to this without crying or experiencing a brain break. There is a prize announcement at the end, so I guess that makes up for it?Please Be Careful With The Grenades - 12 Monkeys 2.09tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/610981401Thu, 25 Apr 2019 10:00:24 -050003:16:28falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Meg to discuss 2.09 “Hyena” Meg enters the gauntlet An Ode to Jennifer Goines Why the finale might be the best ever The Hyena Burger t-shirt theory Truth, perception & deception Found family vs. real family “She never mentioned it to me” An ouroboros of mentorship “Pay attention to the hands” “There are many endings…” Like shaking up a bag of cats The House of Truth & post apocalyptic world building The Keeper is a messy bench who loves drama The craziest bonding moment ever: “Same” “Mother says it has some sentimental value...to you.” “I liked the swan story better.” The authenticity of the Hannah & Jones relationship The photograph, Hyena & Legacy: The Elliott Jones Story The tragic story behind the opposing time machines “You may call me Hannah” Titan: “Insurance against the future” “He lies” Jennifer reclaims her origin story Leadership lesson #1: Be a mother, not a sister Discount grenades! Leadership lesson #2: Read the room Another debate about truth The kernels of truth within the fake fight The Pallid Man & the trap within the trap ...within the trap Leadership lesson #3: Learning from failure & reckoning with the price of taking people on “...the right ending is the one you choose” Knock knock!There is No We - 12 Monkeys 2.10tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/617728221Thu, 09 May 2019 10:00:39 -050002:20:16falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Meagan to discuss 2.10 “Fatherland” The many meanings of Fatherland The Et tu episode The high stakes of telling a betrayal story An Ode to Agent Gale The Agent Gale loop debate The Olivia origin story loop A thing in a box The red storms set the stakes now & for the series Three dimensional chess vs. pick up sticks The situation room debate: pros & cons Hope vs revenge and character POV It was just one night You finally fit in around this place The seeds of Deacon’s character journey Luring the audience into the betrayal Loyal to a fault Bottom’s up Cole Agent Gale is another Cassandra I’ve known you a long time I’d hope I’d have something to say about it Berlin on August 13, 1961 We did what we did Save it Loops of fate & chance A man who witnessed the future came to me Dr. Frankenstein & the creature Sometimes you gotta go it alone A crucial moment in our villain’s origin story You will lead us to a world without time My place in the grand cycle ends today There is no we Here it comes Die WalkureHello Egg, I'm Chicken - 12 Monkeys 2.11tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/621323445Thu, 16 May 2019 10:00:29 -050002:39:25falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Jen to discuss 2.11 “Resurrection” The end of S2 is like drinking from a feels firehose The importance of emotional check ins Different kinds of resurrection Burning the symbols of 2016 Jennifer Cole & his faith in Jones The coup: which side are you on? Coups are about a loss of faith The apex of the Ramse & Cassie revenge journey Casserole: no, come on MY mission Cassie, control & fear Cole & Ramse: a tragic preview of Brothers Debate club: Ramse’s character journey You’ve never been a father I always thought you were my family Don’t You Forget About Me A heart beats within this chest Christ you even sound like him Et tu Whitley? Casserole fight! Self preservation was never my thing It takes one to know one The role of Old Jennifer in the narrative The bravery of Chicken Jennifer Hannah & her mothers Oh it’s personal Brain Burn: Old Jennifer & the Titan choice Resurrection: mother is not without her sense of humor Hello Egg, I’m Chicken Look how pretty I was But maybe if I was braver I love you The bravery of Egg Jennifer Thank you for believing in me That wordless Ramse & Cassie moment Jones goes down with the ship I don’t want to be afraid anymore This could’ve been a season finale Casserole high alertYou've Been There Before - 12 Monkeys 2.12tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/625018743Thu, 23 May 2019 10:00:27 -050003:23:43falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Alisha to discuss 2.12 “Blood Washed Away” Terry Matalas is coming back for the S2 finale pod! Culmination of plot, mythology & romantic tension Casserole: love & death Inevitability & free will Gaining something to lose Blood washed away Parallel team journeys of frustration & failure Costuming, cinematography & horror swoon Jennifer is thrown into the deep end of the pool M’am: Our Scav King is evolving The Jennifer & Hannah leadership loop Revealing Titan is an amazingly crazy sci fi moment Why would you walk towards the creepy music? The recurring imagery of the Aramaic clock The end of the Deacon & Ramse story A uncomfortably relatable argument Just two men in a bar The only thing you’ll be wishing for is more time Melinda & Charlie: The Romeo & Juliet of 12 Monkeys You of all people should understand this Cole: Making good on the Lullaby promise Cassie: WTF he left me in a coma?! Casserole’s independent journeys toward healing Where are you right now? Parallels with the series finale epilogue An all time classic tv mythology payoff moment What are YOU doing HERE? A car crash of POVs Through the looking glass I’ve always known, Cole It was so worth the wait All You’re Going to Want Is To Get Back Here Song of SolomonMemory of Tomorrow with Terry Matalas - 12 Monkeys 2.13tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/628690737Thu, 30 May 2019 10:00:27 -050001:33:48falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Terry Matalas to discuss 2.13 “Memory of Tomorrow”! Warning: There's a whole discussion about ending a series, as it relates to Game of Thrones. If you don't watch or don't want to be spoiled, skip min 43 - 62.Mind Yourself - 12 Monkeys 3.01tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/632342583Thu, 06 Jun 2019 10:00:25 -050002:27:00falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Barrie Hardymon of NPR to discuss 3.01 “Mother” Special announcement! Barrie processes her feelings after just finishing the finale... ...and then she enters the gauntlet Optimism in our pessimism True characters & a cathedral of time travel The three keys to a good ending Season 3: 12 Monkeys levels up The two djinns are now playing 3D chess All mothers are important The clues in the plain sight Love & loss The future is Jennifer A shift in the grandmother & grandson dynamic Genre homages Little shit Hannah as Cole’s guardian The greatest danger to Mr. Cole...is himself Something tells me you’re the one I should keep an eye on You have no idea the choices I’ve had to make You’ll do as I say Titan is a stylish nightmare Cassie as a Boticelli Virgin Mary in hell An interrogation of female power An ode to Hannah Waddingham The love you must show is for the man he becomes A cult built on a lie The hands that shape The hero will not save the damsel What the hell are you? Greetings asshole What Future Asshole knows All you & I are ever going to have is what’s in between You’re going to have to forgive yourself 99 Luftballons: Ode to an iconic pop culture moment Rabbit hole: why this song is so perfect You can’t have him The horror of the birth scene A newborn’s cryJe Splinter - 12 Monkeys 3.02tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/637945029Mon, 17 Jun 2019 12:14:58 -050002:34:31falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Jen to discuss 3.02 “Guardians” An ode to splinter suits Many guardians Children lost to time Ramse is the show’s most tragic character The answer to what happened to Sam I protected him because you could not The con within the con...within the con Brain burner: who attacked? You & I were never meant to be this way Abject parental grief scene no 1: Ramse & Sam Some here have lost faith Abject parental grief scene no 2: Cassie wakes up The shrine to Athan Cole Chekhov’s pocket watch Abject parental grief scene no 3: Cassie sees her son “This show is pure sex visually” Jennifer comes into her own Otter eyes! WTF! The Kid The mistress of time Je splinter! Uh, the smart ones will The importance of airing grievances POV debate club: Cole & Jones vs. Jennifer All I ever do is help you, Cole Arguments that lead to reconciliation Deposits in the character relationship bank Hiya scientists! Cole’s reckoning with leadership & agency As long as we have this, we’ll never be alone Welcome to Raritan, Olivia A tv rec for 12 Monkeys fansDon't You Forget About Me - 12 Monkeys 3.03tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/641134242Mon, 24 Jun 2019 10:00:29 -050002:23:05falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Dark Aimee & Jo of May We Geek Again for part one of our discussion of 3.03 “Enemy” The disarming enigma of Olivia Who is the “enemy”? Trojan horses The fable of Dr. Grim Golems Always listen to Jennifer! Clues in plain sight Which Ramse is in there? I know I’ve got it coming to me You have to be a little bit crazy to be human One last run Whatever the future, you are my family in all of them You were never meant to be a mother Tragic cycles of “nurture” Our “good” guys do bad things The “greater good” & partialism This is not the way Selling the lie with truth The Jolivia ship sets sail! Women like us A critical moment for Deacon’s arc Deacon’s scars Trauma & the “parts work” theory My father gave me scars But that doesn’t make you me An authentic exploration of trauma You kept him weak The devil always tells you what you want to hear Don’t you forget about meRandom John: Interview with Alisen Down & Terry Matalastag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/647565603Mon, 08 Jul 2019 10:00:34 -050001:30:36falsefullCC & Beep get the chance to chat with Alisen Down and Terry Matalas, or as you know them, The Witness and her creator.I'll See You Soon - 12 Monkeys 3.04tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/654781331Mon, 22 Jul 2019 15:33:16 -050002:33:16falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Sarah to discuss 3.04 “Brothers” Sarah enters the gauntlet This was a long time coming Flipping the script on one vs. the many The missing page Secrets are delicate & tenuous A spiritual successor to The Sopranos & The Wire The other great love story of this series The vision of the dying man Stop talking like a supervillain Olivia has never been anywhere she didn’t want to be The rest of us have to juggle eventualities Nope, just me. What the hell happened to you? A lesson for Cole about sacrifice The return of the butterfly The Cassie & Ramse cycle of hope The first time you called me brother A tragedy in the classical sense This whole thing could be a trap When you’ve lost everything... Baking puns when you yeast expect it Two brothers feeding the wrong wolves A lottery scratch card conversation And you always let me down The missing page is forgiveness That’s bullshit, that’s crazy True sacrifice Why couldn’t you have just trusted me We just go about it the wrong way I need you to come home, Cassie This is my reward? I’ll see you soon I’m home When there are no wordsThis is a robbery... finally - 12 Monkeys 3.05tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/664516256Mon, 12 Aug 2019 10:00:45 -050002:41:50falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Erin to discuss 3.05 “Causality” An ode to “If I Could Turn Back Time” The importance of letting the audience breathe Different kinds of cause & effect Fate, prophecy & free will in 12 Monkeys & Good Omens Causality and nature vs. nurture Secrets & their effect His house of cedar & pine was about him That’s a remarkably cogent plan, Ms. Goines The episode that launched Jeacon (Dennifer?) The machine can’t be moved The ferryman’s one way trip A celebration [i.e. tangent] of late 80s/early 90s power ballads & film 1989 NYC The epic lobby entrance Dad...dad...daddio I don’t know who I’d be if not the kid whose mom tried to kill her I find myself missing the talks we never had I didn’t think you had it in you Sam would’ve turned out the same way The rare emotional honesty of the Casserole reunion If there’s something wrong with him, he got it from me You’re a good man These are my steps! What is a cotillion anyway? Can’t you just be normal for once, Jennifer? Your damage is not your destiny And that will be the day she really starts to live Ok, chicken Your dad is an asshole Jennifer’s choice Love is the secret weapon An ode to Christopher LloydWe've Been Here Before - Interview Highlightstag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/678884880Tue, 10 Sep 2019 01:06:03 -050028:09falsefullCatch up on some of our past interview highlights with Terry Matalas, Amanda Schull, Alisen Down, Todd Stashwick, and Sean Tretta.I’m Still Stuck In That Moment - 12 Monkeys 3.06tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/682859837Mon, 23 Sep 2019 10:00:06 -050002:39:25falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Selina to discuss 3.06 “Nature” The perfect set up for Cassie’s arc The significance of how we meet Athan Nature & nurture Cassie & Cole’s moral dilemma Free will & the power of change in a time travel show Reconsidering Agent Gale’s loop Time as a thief Why Cassie idealizes her perfect moment A very different Christmas in the 1950s The power of allowing a couple to struggle together Foreshadowing Project Charon Eliza! Your name is on there. Mine’s not. The Word of the Witness as a Rorschach test Jennifer, Deacon & the missing piece No one is gonna lock you up Exploring primary powers This is when we flail about Jennifer’s visions The magic of watching S3 now that we know the puzzle from above The whole family’s here Could be read as platonic but why would you We are what we were meant to be I am not a redshirt The tragedy of an encounter story Does it make a difference? The character based Casserole divide on Agent Gale Saving the two dying men The visuals of The Winter of Ash & Blood Choosing the followers The nurture of Pallid Boy The many, many layers to the cemetery scene I’m still stuck in that moment The empathy of the salesman Every faith promises something beyond this People just want to believe that they have control Cassie makes a change Because to you he’s just an idea The performative evangelism of the cult The tragic childhood of Athan Cole The Athan & Jennifer connection “Fate” “I can’t.”/”I can.” Historical rabbit holesNurture with Christopher Monfette - 12 Monkeys 3.07tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/692032492Mon, 07 Oct 2019 10:00:34 -050002:10:08falsefullCC & Beep are joined by Christopher Monfette to discuss 307 Nurture.Nothing Bad Could Come From This - 12 Monkeys 3.08tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/699260758Mon, 21 Oct 2019 10:00:32 -050003:04:59falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Alisha to discuss 3.08 “Masks” The dream combo of sci fi & period drama This is when we flail about the production values What period dramas & 12 Monkeys have in common An ode to Rupert Graves & James Callis Literal & metaphorical masks Raising Athan The creation of the Word of the Witness Athan’s visions Just another loop Two Coles are better than one Deacon could use a hug Jennifer is the monkey in the middle Debate Club: Team Casserole vs. Team Jones Super Nay! Casserole Victorian date night Art eternal Nothing bad could come from this James Cole finally got game Hello Constance! The waltzes of the ball So mad and so fancy Family Jones… assemble! Apologies issued in blood We haven’t done anything that you wouldn’t have done I’ve known in my life two great agonies This is the part when you run Locking Jennifer up...again Two pence for a pauper Athan Cole unmasked! Edgar Allen Poe & other rabbit holes What we are watching right nowStealing Time with Terry and Sean - 12 Monkeys 3.09tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/707431552Mon, 04 Nov 2019 11:00:22 -050001:20:59falsefullJoin CC & Beep as we discuss Thief with Terry Matalas and Sean Tretta.Nothing is Written - 12 Monkeys 3.10tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/714507910Mon, 18 Nov 2019 11:00:43 -050002:25:40falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Meagan to discuss 3.10 “Witness” Finales & the element of surprise Hopeful hopelessness How Athan mirrors Cassie & Cole Witnesses Then all that we do matters The finales collectively tell a story You can never go home again Psycho Gypsy Pirate The clues in red tea vision We are not watching the hands She has never been anywhere that she didn’t want to be Mother, Father God save the king! December 26, 1959 You were nothing Whoever you are today is not who you have to be tomorrow The Jones family reunion The only failure is giving up You can’t have him The witness has returned I beat you Save the dying man Mother Jennifer The cycle of save the one The symbolism of a broken clock When you return to Titan… “Holy sh*t” I wish I could have known you Another Life Nothing is written Surely you’ve realized by now That is why you will lose You are better She has There once was a serpentSo That You Do Not Walk Alone - 12 Monkeys 4.01tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/721637317Mon, 02 Dec 2019 14:41:49 -050002:07:54falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Erin to discuss 4.01 “The End” How you stitch a found family back together I’m losing mine An ouroboros of sacrifice A turning point in Jones’ character arc Circles, circles & more circles Season 4 is the pay off 2000s TV always promised Back at the beginning Let’s get medieval! Daughter to mother Would she? Save the one, save them all Maybe now needs to be enough Project Charon! Was it enough? “The End” of Raritan Don’t leave me The ultimate test for Deacon Where are you right now? Too late for us I know this The only failure is giving up Mother would say we have that in common So that you do not walk alone Sydney Bristow Jennifer Primary imposter syndrome Subverting the chosen one story Rabbit hole: the ouroborosWe Fight, We Learn, We Live - 12 Monkeys 4.02tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/727958212Mon, 16 Dec 2019 11:00:33 -050002:15:00falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Aimee to discuss 4.02 “Ouroboros” The end of a decade in tv A love letter to 12 Monkeys Ouroboros bingo The narrative power of a time travel story The hardest thing in this world is to live in it The post apocalyptic good old days This has always been about revenge He’s a number An ouroboros of introspection Portraits of grief A loop is a second chance Egg & Chicken Jones Maybe we need to make mistakes I didn’t listen Attack the past or investigate the future We’re going to finish this together Until you save your soul Cole & the next right thing Tolstoy’s The Three Questions Only the dead can forgive You’re going to be ok, brother My job is to keep you safe The first splinter Everyone else you see is already dead Promise me You got you I am not alone A literal leap of faithSo Happy Together - 12 Monkeys 4.03tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/750078823Mon, 27 Jan 2020 11:00:50 -050001:47:28falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Jo & Bubs of “May We Geek Again” to discuss 4.03 “45 RPM” TV we love right now The great mythology payoff Revolutions per minute Endless beautiful cycles Twists built on our expectations Olivia’s agency ouroboros The witness has imposter syndrome I don’t want your life Imagine me & you Olivia experiencing intimacy Olivia is always exactly where she wants to be My mother wants me to make a terrible choice The witness witnesses Cassie’s revenge fantasy There is nothing more powerful than fate? Where are you going? That moment when a genre show actually answered our questions Women, their bodies & agency I got left behind Future Asshole returns All he wanted to do was save you The last one I’m ever going to be I needed to find you The descendants of Chorus Breaking the cycle Rabbit hole: Which way you goin’ Billy?What Have You Left Behind? with Christopher Monfette - 12 Monkeys 4.04tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/757926829Mon, 10 Feb 2020 11:00:30 -050001:37:17falsefullBeep & CC are joined by 12 Monkeys writer Christopher Monfette to discuss 4.04 “Legacy” Shooting a western The emotional pacing of season 4 Thanks little ladies Telling the story of the six day marriage What we leave behind Weird science Elliot Jones is having a hell of a day Oppenheimer in a blindfold It took just six days to ruin each other Making Elliot Jones a three dimensional character The reconciliation episode Let’s see if I can make a lasting impression It is the privilege of a child to walk a parent the rest of the way Something I once shunned but now cannot live without Pay attention to the editing! Princess Primary does not have her powers Who knows what & when I never had a family Breaking bad The common core of human achievement The origin of the ouroboros The return of Deacon Monkey see & Monkey do What’s great on tv right nowWhat About After? - 12 Monkeys 4.05tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/769208794Mon, 02 Mar 2020 11:00:40 -050002:25:08falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Selina Wilken to discuss 4.05 “After” What we love right now Once upon a time The diverging perspectives of Casserole The Orpheas episode Happily ever after? The allure of the red forest The glory of an oops loop The Shaw origin story Reestablishing intimacy The artist formerly known as primary Summer in the city Present day asshole It’s not the only thing that matters Religion is the business of transformation Destruction or freedom? A love l seldom have felt since my own Unless something changed The evolution of Agent Gale I Spy Bang, Bang, Loop, Loop A formative death Oh it’s me Debate Club: Cole’s vision of The Keys What about after? We can’t do both Doesn’t that sound right to you? I sincerely hope I never see you again Rabbit hole #1: 1966 band posters Rabbit hole #2: The Ahnenerbe & Die GlockeEmily, Amanda, Terry & Sean Are Here For Your Entertainment - 12 Monkeys 4.06tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/773461003Tue, 10 Mar 2020 10:00:30 -050001:33:32falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Emily Hampshire, Amanda Schull, Terry Matalas & Sean Tretta to discuss 4.06 “Die Glocke.” A question of when Writing a WWII romp Killing Hitler Project Valkyrie U & Ur Hand Underestimating this evil Climb the steps, ring the bell Now the crazy people are in charge The unicorn origin story Jennifer’s courage No man is an island On set in Prague Pressing the button Deacon & Jennifer Old Jennifer Acting on 12 Monkeys 99 Luftballons The role of Jennifer Goines The red forest question A surprise guest! Cassie’s big moment A PSA from Dr. Railly Butt stuff only The women of 12 Monkeys Cassie & Jennifer’s friendship 12 Monkeys: the sequel? Upcoming projects Balancing the light & the darkStrangers in Strange Lands with Brooke, Terry, and Chris - 12 Monkeys 4.07tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/793394539Wed, 08 Apr 2020 10:00:43 -050001:08:44falsefullCC & Beep discuss 12 Monkeys 4.07 Daughters with Terry Matalas (showrunner), Christopher Monfette (writer), and Brooke Williams (Hannah).Difficult Executions with Terry, Sean, Alisen & Todd - 12 Monkeys 4.08tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/804168991Wed, 22 Apr 2020 10:00:33 -050001:10:32falsefullJoin CC & Beep as we discuss 4.08 Demons with Terry Matalas, Sean Tretta, Alisen Down, and Todd Stashwick. West VII for life!Proudest To Be Your Mother - 12 Monkeys 4.09tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/814480375Wed, 06 May 2020 10:00:44 -050001:19:09falsefullCC & Beep are joined by Brooke Williams, Terry Matalas, and Christopher Monfette to discuss episode 4.09, One Minute More.The Music of 12 Monkeystag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/824709337Thu, 21 May 2020 10:00:33 -050002:04:48falsefullA look back at the music of 12 Monkeys with showrunner Terry Matalas, composer Stephen Barton & editor Drew Nichols.Happily Ever Now - 12 Monkeys Finale - The Beginningtag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/840172105Tue, 16 Jun 2020 10:00:14 -050002:04:44falsefullA look back at the making of the 12 Monkeys series finale “The Beginning Parts 1 & 2” with showrunner Terry Matalas, composer Stephen Barton & editor Drew Nichols.Save the One - 12 Monkeys 4.10tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/849075913Tue, 30 Jun 2020 10:00:22 -050002:20:11falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Erin & Aimee to discuss “The Beginning, Part One” What makes the end of a story satisfying? Why 12 Monkeys is one of tv’s greatest finales Awfully selfish of you Save the one I’m the demon I am owed Time knows Has Cassie seen our Tumblr? So that you do not walk alone What’s in between You’re going to have to forgive yourself POV & a terminal diagnosis The only failure is giving up Johnny Nightroom finally has a plan The missing page Friends, family Asymmetrical forgiveness The saddest proposal in the history of tv That would be enough vs. it’s not enough Because it sets Honey, I’m home The self realization of Jennifer Goines We all had the time of our lives An anatomy of Olivia’s failureGive Us An Ending - 12 Monkeys 4.11tag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/853270096Tue, 07 Jul 2020 10:00:21 -050002:21:29falsefullBeep & CC are joined by Erin & Aimee to discuss “The Beginning, Part Two” I come back to you now at the turn of the tide Jennifer the White Don’t you forget about me Tired in Titan Songs That Jones Would Hate (Play for Jones) You have more need of it The donut rebuttal of the red forest Give us an ending Philosophy 101: We can have forever or we can have now Ave Verum Corpus You’re a good man We did the right thing though didn’t we? An actor does not say goodbye I get to give that back to you Death can be undone, love cannot I had two mothers The final splinter A love letter to Time Jesus Because of them Workshopping our reset fanfic Reclaiming the house of cedar & pine Once in another lifetime It’s the keys You were the best of all of us Where are you right now?The Pilot with Terry Matalas & Travis Ficketttag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/913906264Tue, 20 Oct 2020 10:00:44 -050001:01:33falsefullJoin us as we chat with co-creators Terry Matalas & Travis Fickett about developing the pilot episode of 12 Monkeys.Costume Design with Joyce Schure & Terry Matalastag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/921718009Mon, 02 Nov 2020 11:00:34 -050001:45:58falsefullJoin us as we discuss costuming from the 1400s to 2100s with designer Joyce Schure & showrunner Terry Matalas.Props of 12 Monkeys with Mary Arthurs & Terry Matalastag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/930571891Tue, 17 Nov 2020 11:00:21 -050057:56falsefullJoin CC & Beep as we discuss the iconic props behind Syfy's 12 Monkeys with prop master Mary Arthur & creator Terry Matalas.The 12 Monkeys Writers Room with Terry Matalas, Sean Tretta & Christopher Monfettetag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/938997433Tue, 01 Dec 2020 11:00:32 -050001:17:53falsefullJoin CC and Beep as we chat with Terry Matalas, Sean Tretta, and Christopher Monfette about the 12 Monkeys writers room and what it means to write for a serialized television show.12 Monkeys’ Production Design with Terry Matalas, John Mott & Justin Craigtag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/947923621Tue, 15 Dec 2020 14:16:06 -050001:15:32falsefullJoin CC & Beep as we discuss the production design of 12 Monkeys with co-creator/showrunner Terry Matalas, production designer John Mott, and set decorator Justin Craig.12 Monkeys’ Stuntwork with Terry Matalas, Geoff Scovell & Jennifer Murraytag:soundcloud,2010:tracks/977257066Tue, 02 Feb 2021 11:00:37 -050001:15:19falsefullJoin us as we chat with showrunner Terry Matalas and stunt performers Geoff Scovell and Jennifer Murrary about the action sequences & stunt work on 12 Monkeys.